IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-11-24

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lardman~seen setanta00:00
infobotsetanta is currently on #maemo (8h 29m 29s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 7h 8m 14s, last said: 'I will check who have taken it'.00:00
penguinbaitok, being an arse for no reason, or at least unknown to me?00:00
GeneralAntillestype_t2, timeless_mbp answered yes, I provided the additional information.00:01
GeneralAntillestype_t2, no kindly leave off harassing the people trying to help. :)00:01
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type_t2i am kind more than you think .. you probably need someone to crack you nuts on. and its me.. :>00:02
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mikkovlardman: I did indt games (including battlegweled) packages for Diablo00:04
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lardmanmikkov: ah cool00:09
lardmanmikkov: any plans to do some for Fremantle?00:09
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mikkovNot really, there's too much overhead with extras-testing stuff00:10
lardmanis the source available in Garage?00:11
mikkovBut it's only a recompile and tweaking the depencies00:11
mikkovUp to chinook source is in garage00:11
lardmancool, will do some repackaging then00:12
mikkovBut it's easier to take diablo packages from diablo repository00:12
GeneralAntillesDoes the games startup need tweaking in Fremantle?00:12
lardmanoh right, ok00:12
lardmanno idea00:12
javispedroa few bits -- menu stuff.00:12
mikkovNo code changes needed00:12
javispedromenuitems won't show in hildonappmenu00:13
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: You've seen Chess and the like. Apart from a back button added, do they really look different?00:13
mikkovI tested it some day00:13
javispedrotry opening the menu00:13
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, didn't it get a whitelist of games or somesuch?00:13
mikkovlardman: sdlnet depency is not needed, battlegweled was supposed to be network game but that feature was never finished00:14
javispedroit has a "list of blessed sdl games" for bug 374800:15
povbotBug Erroneous "Game not started yet" message00:15
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: No idea how it works. I actually think it's rather stupid and developers should write their own GUIs and power saving measures but that's another story...00:15
javispedrobut games not in the whitelist work nonetheless.00:15
* pwnguin needs to look at sgt-puzzles for maemo500:15
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lardmanhmm, hacked into submission without a recompile00:20
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Cr0n_ I need to take pictures from the command line in the n810, which would be the simplest way?00:23
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GeneralAntillesCr0n_, screenshot or photos?00:23
GeneralAntillesNot sure of the specific recipe.00:24
Cr0n_look my error00:24
* javispedro wonders how can be SO slow on a 2Ghz computer.00:24
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, because your computer sucks, clearly.00:25
Cr0n_gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=352,height=288,framerate=10/1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/.images/file.jpg00:25
GeneralAntilles2.0GHz is so 2005.00:25
javispedrohey, perfect guess.00:25
lardmannah, in the same way that TMO and can be slow on my 2GHz computer ;)00:25
javispedroit is from 2005.00:25
Cr0n_Warning: erooneous pipeline: no element "jpegenc"00:25
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lardmanCr0n_: do you have that element?00:26
lardmanGeneralAntilles: yeah, was just wondering about that! :D00:26
GeneralAntilleslardman, careful now, or we're going to have to send you for reeducation.00:26
lardmanlet me finish a few tasks first please!00:27
lardmanfor the good of the (lower-case) maemo00:27
ShadowJKI hardly notice any difference between my computer running at 2.0 and my computer running at 2.83GHz...00:27
qwerty12lardman: maemo sucks. Maemo.Org is the future00:27
GeneralAntillesLowercase maemo is so 200500:27
javispedrosave for being slow on both.00:27
ShadowJKooo and firefox make it just as slow as my P133 back in the days :)00:27
lardmanCr0n_: well if the element is present, then I've no idea00:28
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lardmanperhaps try gst-inspect to see if it's seen by gts00:28
javispedroI have to wonder what the "Use OpenGL" setting does in, other than slow it down even more.00:28
lcukwell, i thought i would never have to use the phrase "evil dead jigsaw baby with worms coming out of its head"00:28
lardmanyou and me both00:28
Cr0n_lardman: tanks00:29
lardmanlcuk: how are things other than the jigsaw worms?00:29
lardmanCr0n_: np00:29
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luke-jrShadowJK: I thought my CPU fan was dying, so I reduced my CPU from 2.3 GHz to 1 GHz00:30
luke-jrShadowJK: still haven't noticed a difference00:30
lcuklardman, im happy.00:31
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lcukv tired cos still picking up lots of things each day00:31
lardmanhaving the VB beaten out of you? ;)00:31
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derflcuk found a job?00:32
javispedrowhere lcuk is now, I'm sure just mentioning VB is penalized :)00:32
ShadowJKluke-jr, did you reduce voltage too?00:33
ShadowJKthat's what makes the most difference ;)00:33
* javispedro is currently working at 1Ghz too00:33
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lcukderf, yes \o/ i am a collaboran now, and javispedro you are right00:34
timeless_mbpjavispedro: fwiw "game not started yet" shouldn't exist at all00:34
timeless_mbpit's a ui design botch00:34
GeneralAntilleslol, I like the latest mail on -developers.00:34
Cr0n_lardman: know any other simple way to take pictures command line?00:34
javispedrotimeless: agreed. it's detailing implementation details for a start.00:34
lcuktho maybe not00:34
derflcuk: Congrats.00:34
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derfCollabora is good people.00:34
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lardmanCr0n_: does jpgenc not work for you?00:35
timeless_mbpjavispedro: it's telling the user something the user already knows00:35
* hotaru2k3 currently only has an htc hero and an n810... 1GHz must be nice.00:35
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timeless_mbpand which is readily apparent from the rest of the app's currently visible state00:35
javispedrohotaru2k3: by default it's at 2Ghz00:36
lardmanjavispedro: what's this?00:36
lardmannot a pda then...?00:36
lardmanCr0n_: which device is this btw?00:36
timeless_mbpjavispedro: anyway, this bug is fixed by enus1 for diablo00:37
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timeless_mbpand presumably by enus1 for fremantle00:37
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javispedrohotaru2k3: the N900 maxes at 600Mhz, if that's what you're talking about.00:37
javispedrotimeless: "fixed" is "removed"?00:37
timeless_mbpreplaced by " " :)00:37
javispedroso the banner still appears? :(00:38
timeless_mbpthat's how i fix most bugs in Nokia's software00:38
timeless_mbpwait, this is a *banner*?00:38
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timeless_mbpoh yeah, you probably get an empty banner :)00:38
lardmanCr0n_: jpgenc or jpegenc.......?00:38
timeless_mbphow do i trigger this?00:38
javispedrothe banner distorts the hw pixel doubled window -- result: a mess.00:38
Cr0n_jpegenc is coming from coming from gst-plugins-good, ok.00:39
Cr0n_I could not found any package for maemo that I generate the then compiled external and copy to / usr / lib /00:39
lardmanframerate stuff depends on platform, for the N900 will be different00:39
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hotaru2k3what i'm talking about is how much faster 1GHz is than anything i have right now00:39
lardmanCr0n_: which platform?00:39
javispedrotimeless: boot blocks on diablo, click "Play", wait dbus timeout time (30 seconds iirc).00:39
lardmann810? N900?00:39
javispedrohotaru2k3: you don't have a computer?00:39
timeless_mbphrm, i'd have to find my n800/n81000:39
Cr0n_lardman: scratchbox , n81000:39
ShapeshifterWhat will we see first? The higgs boson, or the n900?00:39
timeless_mbpjavispedro: could you install enus1 and see what happens? :)00:39
* Shapeshifter is excited.00:39
javispedrotimeless: on fremantle, boot any non-whitelisted sdl game, like drnoksnes00:40
timeless_mbpit should be in diablo extras-devel00:40
lardmanCr0n_: hmm, sb, that will be different and may not work00:40
lardmanCr0n_: on-device it ought to work though00:40
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* timeless_mbp looks for drnoksnes00:40
lardmanCr0n_: v4l2src num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! video/x-raw-00:40
lardmanyuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=8/1 ! jpegenc ! filesink00:40
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timeless_mbpwhat repo has drnoksnes?00:40
javispedrotimeless: you'll need a rom so if you don't have a few minutes don't do it :)00:40
timeless_mbphow about something that doesn't require a rom?00:41
timeless_mbpi never owned an snes00:41
javispedrohow many osso-games-startup games are there on extras now?00:41
Cr0n_lardman: I tried other program but most of the illegal instruction in the function gettimeofday ().example fswebcam00:41
timeless_mbpthat'd require the extras-devel repo to not be broken?00:41
lardmanCr0n_: the emulation is not great00:41
GeneralAntillesAren't there some free license SNES ROMs about?00:41
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javispedro guess so.00:42
lardmanGeneralAntilles: talk to qwerty12 ;)00:43
qwerty12Why would I deal in free ROMs?00:43
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timeless_mbpso i should try that one?00:43
Cr0n_lardman: what would be the right command line to take a picture using gstreamer00:44
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javispedrotimeless: drnoksnes is on extras-devel too so...00:44
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lardmanCr0n_: in scratchbox I have no idea; on-device that one above should work00:44
hotaru2k3javispedro: well i do have a fairly old dell set up as a web server, a quadra 650, a tandy 1000 sx, and some kind of atari, but those are all over 1000 miles away from where i am now00:44
timeless_mbpi have extras enabled00:45
timeless_mbpbut not devel00:45
timeless_mbpi also have testing enabled00:45
Dantonichi any networking experts here?00:47
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SpeedEvilDantonic: I play one on TV.00:47
Dantonicoh? lol00:47
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, you do?00:47
timeless_mbpi slept in a holiday in express last night00:47
timeless_mbpactually, i didn't00:47
* javispedro realizes he's practically the only one using osso-games-startup right now00:47
Dantoniclol timeless_mbp00:47
* SpeedEvil traces Dantonics IP using visual basic.00:47
DantonicI can't see my desktop on the network... want to ssh to it with the NIT00:48
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, as a user, I find that rather unfortunate.00:48
DantonicI just upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04.. ubuntu00:48
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SpeedEvilDantonic: you mean NAT?00:48
ShadowJKubuntu probably comes with a firewall enabled by default00:48
ShadowJKatleat fedora does00:48
Dantonicit's no where... it's not even in the DHCP ACTIVE IPs00:48
timeless_mbpDantonic: do you want to find your ip address?00:48
DantonicI mean from my N900 SpeedEvil00:49
DantonicN800 sorry00:49
DantonicI know my local IP00:49
SpeedEvilDantonic: what is your n900 connected to?00:49
DantonicI've tried setting it to static within interfaces00:49
qwerty12javispedro: The others still have something in return - their sanity :p00:49
Dantonicmy wireless router00:49
Cr0n_lardman: v412src not found00:49
Dantonicon my active IP list on the router I see my N800 and my other laptops00:49
Cr0n_lardman: what package00:49
javispedrooh, using o-g-s back in its day wasn't mentally challenging.00:49
Dantoniccant see the desktop00:49
SpeedEvilDantonic: does the desktop have a static IP?00:50
Dantonicnot right now00:50
DantonicI just got rid of it in the hope that it would work00:50
qwerty12javispedro: Not to claim I know how to use it, but that Chess shit put me right off00:50
lardmanCr0n_: iirc there were some specific instructions for getting the video pipeline to work under sb00:50
lardmantho where those are I don;t know00:50
Dantonicany ideas SpeedEvil ?00:51
ShadowJKwalk up the the machine and look at what the ip is?00:51
ShadowJKs/up the/up to00:51
Dantonicwell I know what it is with ifconfig00:51
DantonicShadowJK, I'm noob too btw00:52
ShadowJKwhat is it?00:52
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Dantonicit's 10300:52
Cr0n_I'm using n810, not sb.00:53
Cr0n_the command I gave was this:00:53
Dantonicman this is annoying00:53
lardmando gtk_text_views automatically update when the buffer you point them at changes?00:53
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Cr0n_lardman: v4l2src num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=8/1 ! jpegenc ! filesink location=test.jpg00:54
SpeedEvilDantonic: can you ssh to the desktop from anything?00:54
Dantonicthat's probably why00:55
Dantonicso I have to disable it?00:55
Dantonicshoudl I have to?00:55
* javispedro loves spell checker which tries to autocorrect "deduce" into "seduce". Would look wonderful in a paper.00:56
Dantoniccan't have a firewall and be visible?00:56
ShadowJK"visible" has nothing to do with it00:56
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qwerty12javispedro: Just use Word already =)00:56
javispedrothe CrossOver Office icon is tempting.00:56
DantonicShadowJK, so what do you mean? do I have to configure it so it makes me visible? or just disable the firewall? or that's not the problem?00:57
Cr0n_lardman: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "jpgenc"00:57
ShadowJKWell, you'd have to allow port 22 atleast00:58
ShadowJKBecause that's where ssh is00:58
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pwnguinCr0n_: jpgenc or jpegenc?00:58
lardmandon't forget the "e"00:58
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DantonicShadowJK, ya port 22 is forwarded00:59
ShadowJKSo you are trying to connect to your computer from outside your LAN?00:59
Cr0n_pwnguin: jpegenc00:59
DantonicShadowJK, neither way works outside or inside01:00
lardmanand "gst-inspect-0.10 jpegenc"?01:00
lardmanpastebin it though as it will be voluminous01:00
DocScrutinizerDantonic: that's internal->internal, I guess. Or do you try to your desktop's world visible addr01:00
ShadowJKWell from outside you need to connect to the router's IP, and the router needs to forward port 22 to the ubuntu machine's IP, and the ubuntu machine needs to not block port 22 in both cases :)01:01
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ShadowJKthe router's outside IP, the router will have two IPs01:01
DantonicDocScrutinizer, I've tried both... I have my local ip to which port 22 is forwarded to01:01
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Dantonicthen I try to connect to my internet address01:01
DocScrutinizeror you need to config the firewall internal rules correctly, not the external01:01
Dantonicor if I'm on the network to my local address01:01
Dantoniceither way it doesnt work01:01
DantonicDocScrutinizer, I have no idea how to configure a firewall can you point me in the right direction?01:01
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DocScrutinizera lot of cheap router-NATs don't forward internal traffic to an external IP back to internal dest01:02
DocScrutinizere.g Zyxel01:02
Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: you ok, you had a collision01:02
DocScrutinizerneed to do IP local-loopback enable or sth01:03
qwerty12_N900Xisdibik: Yeah, I survived =)01:03
javispedrohe has like 30 or 40 collisions a day. I'm surprised his n901 is still not scratched.01:03
Dantonichang on brb01:03
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DocScrutinizerdansorry I can't as firewall user interface is really different each time01:04
Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: did you get his insurance information? ;)01:04
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qwerty12_N900Xisdibik: No, the bastard did a hit-and-run01:05
Cr0n_pwnguin:  know what can be?hence the jpegenc? is the same?01:05
ShadowJKthe output of "iptables -vnL" on the ubuntu bux would tell you whether there are any firewall rules there01:05
* javispedro is still running, having stolen qwerty12_N900's N900.01:05
lardmanqwerty12_N900: /me grabs a large stick, which way did he go...?01:06
lardmanoh, it was javispedro, in which case /me goes back to coding01:06
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AakashPatelhey everyone01:06
ShadowJKand also check whether openssh server is installed.....01:07
* ShadowJK goes sleep01:07
lardmannight ShadowJK01:07
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AakashPatelDoes maemo have some sort of "emulator" to test apps in?01:07
* javispedro goes back to writing "so from the data we can clearly seduce that the assumptions"01:07
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ShadowJKAt one point ooo started guessing the language for me. It mostly guesses the wrong language and puts red ink under everything01:08
DantonicDocScrutinizer, I've done a sudo ufw disable  and no luck, I guess it's not the firewall?  what were you suggesting regarding loopbacks etc.. don't know what that means01:08
ShadowJKcan you do "ssh user@localhost" on the ubuntu machine? ;-)01:08
lardmanShadowJK: MS Word does that and tries spelling in Americanese01:08
DocScrutinizerI meant your fw in router-NAT (if there's any)01:09
ShadowJKor ssh user@ or whatever the IP was01:09
Dantonicon the machine itself? ssh into it?01:09
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ShadowJKDantonic, es01:09
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derflardman: Z's are good for you.01:09
DantonicShadowJK, yes that works fine01:09
ShadowJKcurse this irc on tablet, i don't get away from it even when closing monitor01:09
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DocScrutinizereven better, try the external IP01:10
DocScrutinizerfrom desktop, to desktop01:10
lardmanderf: only in certain works; it's the missing u's that get me :)01:10
Dantonicwow now it works locally from the N800 too...01:10
derflardman: That's just because you speak with a funny accent.01:11
lardmanit's all relative01:11
lardmanto English ;)01:11
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Dantonicwow it all works now01:11
derfAs my first CS teacher (from the Bronx) once said: "It's not my fault you all talk funny."01:11
Dantoniceven externally wtf01:12
lardmanexactly the attitude I take with you lot :D01:12
Dantonicok so now I can ssh into it no problem, but I still dont see it in the dhcp clients table?01:13
Dantonicthis must be cause I disabled the firewall01:13
hotaru2k3those extra u's are french, not english01:13
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lardmanyeah, but we're quite close to France01:14
lardmangeographically, not in our like for snails ;)01:14
lardmanwhere's khertan, luckily not here to hit me01:14
lcukAakashPatel, maemo sdk01:15
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AakashPatellcuk, oh sweet01:15
Dantonicdamn so I have to keep the firewall down to ssh?01:16
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|R <- what's the diff between vanilla, global and usa ?01:17
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|Ruhm nevermind vanilla is just the internal demos i guess, but global vs usa vs ... ?01:18
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SpeedEvilIt's all the same bar the keyboard labels01:20
SpeedEvilDantonic: or you need to configure the firewall to allow ssh01:21
lcukthe USA version high 5s you when you get a text01:21
qwerty12_N900lcuk: The USA version doesn't know what a text is01:22
SpeedEvilAlso it uses the speed of 3g networks to continually stream all your calls and web accesses to the NSA.01:22
lardmanover here we're reasonably safe because they spend all their time looking at qwerty12_N900's usage01:23
derfDon't be silly. That's done from the telco.01:23
lcukthe bosses at ikea must be furious!01:23
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DantonicSpeedEvil, how do I configre the firewall to allow ssh?01:23
SpeedEvilDantonic: I have no idea at all how to do it in ubuntu.01:23
lardmandoes qwerty12_N900 work at Ikea?01:23
lcukor extremely happy, i cannot decide how people feel01:23
lcuki have to go there tomorrow01:24
lardmanhard luck01:24
qwerty12_N900lardman: No, he does not!01:24
Dantonicok SpeedEvil thanks I'll look into it...01:24
lardmanqwerty12_N900: good lad!01:24
lcuktracy is over the moon01:24
lardmanqwerty12_N900: tho think of all the cheap furniture....01:24
lcukshes been training01:24
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qwerty12_N900lardman: You're right. *polishes knife*01:25
lardmantraining to order you about and then ask if you need help carrying the awkward 40kg box....?01:25
lcuklardman, hows your projects goin01:25
lcukyou have put down barcode for now havent you01:25
lardmannah, doing stuff now actually01:25
* SpeedEvil is currently doing a barcodey thing too01:25
lardmanjust getting ui to rotate01:25
lardmanSpeedEvil: using zbar?01:25
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SpeedEvillardman: zbarcam + awk + ...01:26
lardmanand for decoding?01:26
qwerty12_N900lardman: At least some IKEAs put on good entertainment:
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lardmanSpeedEvil: same thing01:27
lardmanis zbar01:27
DantonicSpeedEvil, thanks so much I found the solution figured out how to enable ssh on the firewall01:27
lardmanqwerty12_N900: oh dear!01:27
lardmanLondon though, 'tis life so I hear01:27
qwerty12_N900I know... I couldn't find a better news source01:28
SpeedEvillardman: _really_ simple. Get barcode, go beep. Prompt user to enter product name. Take product name, then when user hits enter, take pic with other camera.01:28
javispedroKill user.01:28
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lardmanqwerty12_N900: what do you take to school these days? M-16?01:28
paroneayeafighting with a t-mobile customer service provider trying to get her to tell me if "unlimited web" includes SSH :P01:28
SpeedEvillardman: this gives a barcode->product mapping - and those can then be looked up on my scraped list of tesco stuffs for scraped calories.01:28
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N900, what the hell is up with the randomly bolded and capitalized words?01:28
GeneralAntillesIs "MUGGED" an acronym or something over there?01:28
lardmanwell it is the SUN!01:29
javispedro*some clients may bold this*01:29
qwerty12_N900GeneralAntilles: It's The Sun; don't ask...01:29
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GeneralAntillesparoneayea, bad plan.01:29
GeneralAntillesparoneayea, don't let them find out you have an N900 or they'll put you on one of those expensive PDA plans.01:29
SpeedEvillardman: so I - when it works - wave thing in front of scanner, enter 34g, and it adds 34*(caloriespergram) 34*fatpergram, ... to my daily totals.01:29
lardmanGeneralAntilles: note that this is the main reason anyone would buy/read THE SUN:
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SpeedEvillardman: they did something very cool the other day though01:30
lardmanSpeedEvil: so what are you inputting, # grammes?01:30
GeneralAntilleslardman, I see.01:31
SpeedEvillardman: from a scale01:31
SpeedEvillardman: while cooking/...01:31
lardmanah ok01:31
SpeedEvil(the above with the aid of people in #highaltitude)01:31
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lardmandid you see that high altitude glider?01:31
lardman very very cool :)01:32
SpeedEvillardman: ? Laurenceb's?01:32
SpeedEvilah yes - saw that.01:32
lardmanseeing the Sun reminds /me of what he was using to test mbarcode url lookups:
SpeedEvillardman: has the flash scanner on ever worked for you? zbarcam worked on the same cam instantly01:34
paroneayealooks like amazon is shipping01:34
lardmanSpeedEvil: never had a webcam to try with tbh01:34
lardmanand not tried on-device01:34
SpeedEvilDoes flash on the n900 even see the cameras?01:35
lardmanI was using Windows version of zbar to grab book barcodes while we were packing the other day though, worked well01:35
lardmanI have a feeling it doesn't, just from something I read01:35
lardmanbut I can of course try, hang on a tick01:35
SpeedEvilOh - were you moving?01:35
lardmanstill are01:36
lardmanpacking to decorate, then look at moving01:36
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lardmannah, no webcam found with N90001:37
paroneayeaGeneralAntilles: anyway, when I *did* ask about ssh, they told me that if the company "Essis Age" charged me for their services, they would not cover Essis Age's charges, but they would not themselves charge me for accessing the "Essis Age Website"01:38
paroneayeawhich I thought was awesome01:38
paroneayeaand hilarious01:38
GeneralAntillesparoneayea, nice.01:38
SpeedEvilparoneayea: go to the forums or ... of your potential provider, and investigate01:39
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lardmangtk_container_foreach(appdata->scan_window_hbox, (GtkCallback)gtk_container_remove, appdata->scan_window_hbox);01:40
lardmanshould that work?01:40
lardmanwhere appdata->scan_window_hbox in an HBox01:40
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* SpeedEvil imagines if the n900 display could weigh items placed on the screen accurately.01:41
* SpeedEvil suspects not.01:41
lardmancould do ocr of the scales though....01:41
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, don't think the surface resistance is consistent enough.01:41
SpeedEvillardman: yeah - I was looking for that sort of thing01:41
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: noe even close, no.01:41
derflardman: No, that won't work.01:41
SpeedEvillardman: 7 seg readers for v4l01:41
lardmanwhy not?01:41
derfBecause it's going to call the callback with the arguments in the wrong order.01:42
lardmanah, the code, ok01:42
lardmanis it possible?01:42
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lardmanactually, I can probably do it manually, so don't worry too much01:43
derfYou could write a small wrapper function that calls gtk_container_remove with the arguments in the right order.01:43
derfOr, right, do it manually.01:43
lardmanyeah, ok01:43
lardmanhmm, the wonders of picking up code off the interweb....01:43
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lardmanSpeedEvil: but yeah, should be reasonably easy to stick one of those together01:46
lardmannot that I know much about ocr, but have used some working correlation codes01:46
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lardmanand these were only for <10 pixel high chars, so for bigger stuff should work ok01:47
SpeedEvillardman: and yes, it's easy.01:47
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SpeedEvillardman: but - in the same way that barcodes are easy to decode - zbarcam|awk means I probably will do it - ...01:48
derfOCR for latin alphabets is a fairly solved problem.01:48
lardmanhow should it be done?01:48
SpeedEvilderf: I haven't seen good OCR for free on linux.01:48
lardmanI need to write my own01:48
SpeedEvilderf: comparable with the program that came free with my scanner in 1997 that is.01:48
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derfSpeedEvil: Yes, no idea about open-source stuff.01:48
infobotSpeedEvil meant: derf: comparable with the program that came free with my scanner in 1995 that is.01:49
derfBut it's not rocket science.01:49
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SpeedEvilderf: It is a very substantial body of code AIUI though.01:50
derfNow, OCR for cursive/ideographic languages, that's something else.01:50
SpeedEvilderf: and simply saying 'it's not rocket science' doesn't magically deliver several tens of thousands of lines of code.01:50
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lardmanwhat's the general approach though?01:50
lardmanI guess not a correlation one?01:50
SpeedEvilI'd also like - even pay - speech recognition - for linux.01:50
lardmanI've pushed that to extras-devel01:51
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SpeedEvilLooks interesting.01:53
lardmanneeds optification01:54
lardmanbut the number test at least worked and recognised what I was saying01:54
lardmanI also stuck flite in for text -> speech01:54
lardmanbut that needs a tweak as it won't output directly01:55
lardmanno idea why01:55
lardmanhave to save to wav, then play that01:55
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lardmanprobably a simple pulseaudio issue I suppose01:55
Flandryany debian pkg wizzes on atm?01:58
lardmanhmm, my widgets are still not appearing when I rotate :(01:59
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Flandryis your evil twin here lardman?01:59
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lardman|homenah, my connection lag became very large02:00
FlandryI've been looking at HAM and it uses "multiple lines" as the criterion for an extended description. I'm wondering why strlen isn't a simpler, better metric.02:01
FlandryEspecially because i changed it to strip newlines elsewhere :P02:01
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Flandryit does a string copy, strips initial and trailing whitespace, splits it into an array of lines, and then checks that there are more than one02:03
Flandryi mean, is that really necessary? :P02:03
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derflardman|home: Not usually correlation on images (though that is sometimes done).02:05
lardman|homeI have some rather small numbers I want to OCR02:06
derfUsually you transform connected components into outlines or skeletons.02:06
lardman|homeand then how is the recog performed?02:06
derfBasic template matching.02:07
lardman|homeusing what metric though?02:07
derfThere's all kinds of metrics.02:07
derfYou've got a bunch of line segments, you can try to do a one-to-many matching, etc.02:07
derfYou can take connectedness into account, sure.02:08
derfOr you can just rely on position.02:08
lardman|homeangle then? or a 2d fft?02:08
lardman|homeor similar02:08
derfDamaged text is often disconnected in places where the template would be connected.02:08
derfThe 2d FFT approach assumes a common sampling.02:09
derfWhich you generally don't have.02:09
derfAnd if you want to recognize very small characters, you'll have significant aliasing problems.02:09
pupniksome people here will be like pgrogramming terminator robots in 201502:09
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derfBut you can go a long ways just on position/orientation.02:09
pupnikor now02:10
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derfThere's also "shape context" and other similar approaches.02:10
derfWhich basically builds a histogram of the surrounding area, and uses earth mover's distance on that.02:10
lardman|homehmm, I don't have much data to histogram though02:10
derfYou don't need much.02:11
derfYou build a separate histogram at every point on the outline.02:11
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derfIt's similar to matching the line segments directly, but as the name implies, brings in slightly more non-local context.02:12
lardman|homeok, but dropped pixels or blurred ones will interfere with that won't they?02:12
derfWell, sure, but the idea is that the interference with the match to the correct template will be smaller than the penalty for a match to the wrong template.02:13
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lardman|homesounds interesting anyway02:14
Flandryare you working on OCR lardman, or just curious?02:14
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lardman|homewell I don't work on it, in fact I just need to post-process some shearography data02:14
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crashanddie_should we be worried?
lardman|homeunfortunately it's stored in an avi, with a very small bit of text in the top left giving the freq - which is what I need to know for each frame02:15
derfThe main problems are not in the classifier, but in everything that goes on around it.02:15
lardman|homehey crashanddie_02:15
lardman|homederf: I wrote a correlation based ocr system, which works ok, but not great02:16
derfI.e., figuring out where the lines of text are, breaking them into characters, including when characters are touching, figuring out where the word boundaries are...02:16
crashanddie_o/ lardman|gone02:16
GeneralAntillescrashanddie_, if it's ending, I doubt we're going to notice it on the cam feed first. :D02:16
Flandrycrashanddie_: better call in the doom marines02:16
lardman|homederf: ah that's easy in my case, I know the spacing and char widths are constant02:16
crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, dunno, we might have been wrong about black holes all along02:16
derfThe best classifiers are still only going to get you 97-98% accuracy on printed text.02:16
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie_, or here ;)02:16
derfBut after that the results get fed into a language model.02:17
crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, I know that one :)02:17
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crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, just saw it on slashdot 5 minutes ago02:17
lardman|homethat's fine, I know how the freqs should proceed, so can process the ocr'd text to correct it if it doesn't fit in02:17
derfAnd there you can start doing very sophisticated things to improve results.02:17
derfAnyway, I thought Google recently open-sourced some OCR engine.02:17
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lardman|homeideally I want to implement this in MATLAB02:18
derfDunno how good it is.02:18
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crashanddie_derf, it probably dials home and sends keywords of what you're scanning02:18
lardman|homeI'll have a look at your histogram/earth mover idea02:18
crashanddie_"Hang on, why does the OCR app need socket.h?"02:18
derfcrashanddie_: The beauty of open source.02:19
crashanddie_derf, the beauty of having everyone think you're contributing to Open Source02:19
crashanddie_derf, newsflash: Chrome isn't Open Source02:19
derfI ain't saying nothing about contributing.02:19
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derfI'm just saying you can get the source for their OCR engine.02:19
derfYou don't need to lecture me.02:20
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crashanddie_True, I just enjoy it :)02:20
derfYes, but I don't.02:20
derflardman|home: has a Matlab demo.02:20
lardman|homederf: cool, thanks02:20
derfDon't know how useful it is.02:21
derf(i.e., if it really includes all the code needed)02:21
lardman|homeI won't learn anything using someone else's code too ;)02:21
crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, you need to start writing about OSX02:21
tadthebuilderisnt chormium open source which is 90 percent of chrome?02:21
crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, Because: Darwin book worth up to $100,000 found on shelf02:22
crashanddie_tadthebuilder, the magic lies in those 10%02:22
* Flandry wonders if using chromium and mercurial will make him go mad02:22
GeneralAntillescrashanddie_, shush.02:23
tadthebuilderi use chrome from time to time. i know it means google knows what i do, rather them thn the govt haha02:23
crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, I shall find you:
derfAnyway, the Google OCR engine is Tesseract:
derfNo idea what it uses internally.02:23
Flandryi don't think Google developed that anyway02:24
Flandryit's supposed to be pretty good iirc02:24
derfFlandry: No, UNLV did.02:24
mikhasit is02:24
lardman|homehmm, I've looked at all the free ones a while back as I needed to scan some FORTRAN code in from an old thesis02:24
lardman|hometrying to remember which one I chose in the end02:25
crashanddie_I'm out02:25
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derfErr, sorry, not UNLV, HP.02:25
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lardman|homebed time for me, thanks for the pointers derf02:29
lardman|homenight all02:29
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ShapeshifterSo, is there a way to send SMS from the command line, or at least via dbus?02:42
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GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, Telepathy.02:44
GeneralAntillesShould be a dbus recipe for it.02:44
ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: cool :)02:45
Shapeshifterahh. so telepathy handles all of the communication stuff?02:45
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Shapeshifterand I guess gps data can also be read out from the cli?02:46
Shapeshiftervia dbus.02:46
Shapeshiftermh. where would I best find the documentation on this anyway? is there some official nokia-made-apps manual stuff somewhere? I find the wiki is not really that brilliant on specific info.02:47
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GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, should be in the developer docs.02:55
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, probably the wrong person to ask, though.02:55
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ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: ahh, thanks.02:57
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Shapeshifterah yes, liblocation.02:59
Shapeshifterand someone has written a python thin client. nice.03:00
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Shapeshifterthis is all very nice.03:00
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timeless_mbpis there any reason i shouldn't use sbox in Mer?03:12
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b-man17hay qole :)03:26
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qoleb-man17, hi!03:30
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b-man17qole: how´s your easy-debian port for the N900 going? :)03:35
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qoleb-man17, I can't get the keyboard working in Xephyr LXDE!03:39
qoleThe packages are in Fremantle Extras-devel, I'm just waiting for some more hackers to get the N900 to help me test03:40
GeneralAntillesqwerty12 knows the method.03:41
* b-man17 is willing to test once he gets his N900 :)03:41
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qole(I'm on my N900 now, riding the bus home from work)03:41
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qoleGeneralAntilles, tell me more!03:41
timeless_mbpshould /dev/null work in sbox? :(03:41
qole(note I have Tab mapped now :)03:42
b-man17i believe it´s linked to /dev on the host...03:42
timeless_mbpsomething tried to:03:42
timeless_mbpopen("/dev/null", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_DIRECTORY)03:43
timeless_mbpand got ENOTDIR03:43
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qoleqwerty12 pointed out that windows must ask explicitly for input focus in Maemo 5, but I can't seem to get that working for me...03:43
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lcukhey qole03:44
pupnik.can we pipe gstreamer mpeg4 from camera to a network port03:44
qolelcuk, hey!03:44
lcukyeah, you in your chroot and trying to get keyboard?03:45
b-man17have you tryed checking if /dev/null is in your scratchbox dir?03:45
lcukdoes contacts pop up instead qole03:45
qolelcuk, yes, trying to get keyboard on display :103:45
lcukyeah practically every toolkit has had to do some mudging on m503:46
qolelcuk, yeah I think I'm not grabbing the keyboard and I don't know how to do that from command line03:46
lcukits not so much grabbing the keyboard03:47
lcuklemme see if i can dig up the reason and code fixes put in place03:47
lcukthen we can see if theres a console way03:47
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qolelcuk, I think it is XSetInputFocus() needing to be explicitly called...03:49
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qoleCan you do that for a gtkWindow in python?03:49
lcukyeah, but someone else offered another suggestion at some point03:49
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qoleThe dead keyboard issue is the current showstopper for EasyDebian.03:50
qoleI can get everything else working (if you are willing to be a stylus jockey)03:51
qoleI even have a great idea for simulating the dashboard button on the top right corner in LXDE03:52
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* qole is flashing to sales firmware tonight!03:56
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lcukqole, oooh03:57
lcukqt caught the patch03:57
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lcukbut you are right its gonna be tough from within python, what app creates the root window for you? is it the python one03:58
qolelcuk, I found that already...
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GeneralAntillesqole, not a big upgrade.03:59
fernando_so, uh, hi. I just got a N800. while playing with it I noticed the file manager auto discovered my SMB shares on my computer. thing is, it only displays the public folder, and not the home folder (which would need a login)03:59
fernando_is there anywhere to type a login or something?03:59
qoleI dunno, write me a C app that opens a window and fullscreens+sets input focus, let me pass the window name as a parameter.03:59
FlandryWhat's the community interface for development on app manager?04:00
lcukhow do you inject yourself into the process?04:00
Flandrygarage, bug tracker...04:00
qolefernando_, no you cannot use the filemanager to access protected shares04:00
fernando_I see. shame, but thanks!04:00
qolelcuk, I use wmctrl to find the window ID, and the -parent param on Xephyr04:01
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lcukgtk should have the fix in intrinsically04:02
lcukcreate an empty pygtk app?04:03
fernando_okay, new question (:P), mime type associations in the file manager, is there a way to change those?04:03
fernando_as in open all .avis with mplayer, etc04:03
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qolefernando_, dbus-switchboard
fernando_thanks again!04:07
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lcukfernando_, qole oyu get around, in this thread too04:08
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fernando_defaults.list in /usr/share/applications? that sounds simpler :P04:08
lcukit doesnt work tho lol04:09
fernando_baw, lol04:09
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lcukqole, not on unlimited 3g anymore?04:10
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Flandryah it's on gitorious04:14
Flandrythat was so completely obvious...04:15
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fernando_is it kosher to set a password for "user" or should I just stick with "root" for SSH?04:23
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GeneralAntillesfernando_, stick with root.04:26
GeneralAntillesfernando_, not sure what the status is right now.04:26
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fernando_alright, will do04:26
GeneralAntillesfernando_, on Diablo it could cause certain boot scripts to fail.04:27
GeneralAntillesferdna, haven't tested it yet for Fremantle.04:27
fernando_not messing with it then :P04:27
ferdnaGeneralAntilles, what is that?04:28
GeneralAntillesferdna, what is what?04:28
hotaru2k3use public key auth, and disable root login over ssh04:28
ferdnai dont know, you tell me...04:28
fernando_(wrong username highlight :P)04:28
GeneralAntillesferdna, what are you asking about?04:28
qolelcuk, Canada only has 2.5 G for the N90004:28
GeneralAntillesOh, oops.04:28
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GeneralAntillesSorry multitasking.04:28
ferdnahehehhe, cool... =)04:29
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fernando_haha, the N800 codename is Gagarin? awesome04:30
* fernando_ sets device name04:30
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iDialektI wonder when the north American AT&T 3g maemo device is coming?04:32
qoleiDialekt, I don't forsee an NAM version of the N90004:34
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Flandrywe haven't seen FCC approval so: probably no time soon04:34
iDialektNeither do I. Maybe the next maemo device04:34
qoleI'm not looking forward to that device.04:35
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qoleCapacitive screen means no stylus.04:37
chicks|I really wish the n900 was usable on a network with decent 3G coverage in my area in the US04:37
fernando_there will never be 3g coverage in my neck of the woods, michigan, so I particularly don't mind :P04:38
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hotaru2k3if you want decent 3g coverage in the us you have to go cdma instead of gsm04:39
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chicks|Yeah, that's why I have a crappy phone, it works on Verizon which actually has coverage at both my house and college, where as AT&T doesn't have 3G at my college and although it does at my house, for some reason inside the house I can't get AT&T signal.04:40
chicks|Not to mention T-mobile just has poor coverage compared  to any of the other major providers.04:41
microlithit wouldn't be so bad if verizon weren't cdma :/04:42
fernando_the whole US phone market is kinda sucky, oh well. I'm fine with just using wifi04:42
pupnikgood call04:43
pupnikhaha pun04:44
chicks|Yeah, i'll just stick with my n810 for now. I hope verizon getso ff of CDMA and on to something else by the time my contract ends in 1.5 years.04:44
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microlithchicks|: if they go LTE like everyone else, we might actually have a worldwide standard04:44
fernando_ah no, I get cool phones, I just don't use the data part :P04:44
iDialektAlmost got a droid04:45
chicks|microlith: that would be great, as their network is currently working amazingly for me, but the cost of getting tethering is way to expensive04:46
iDialektBut couldn't ditch the apple Eco system04:46
iDialektHard to pull away from the MobileMe and lifestyle of apple04:46
microlithmy only problem is with nokiausa's failure of an ordering system04:46
microlithotherwise I might have had my N900 this week04:46
iDialektI can't do tmobile . Not here04:47
iDialektAT&T is the best option for gsm here04:47
iDialektVerizon for CDMA04:47
GeneralAntillesqole, Nokia caved to the popularity pressure.04:47
GeneralAntillesqole, I can't believe they wouldn't go with Stantum.04:48
GeneralAntillesNor that they wouldn't ship both types of touchscreens.04:48
GeneralAntillesNeither technology has an absolute advantage.04:48
GeneralAntillesSo it seems quite silly to choose one or the other and alienate other customers.04:48
GeneralAntillesBut oh well.04:48
microlithwhat is Stantum?04:48
GeneralAntillesMultitouch resistive.04:48
fernando_what about haptikos, wish that'd come back04:49
fernando_lol vaporware04:49
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qoleGeneralAntilles, I would *love* a Stantum touchscreen device04:53
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qoleDoes anyone know how to make the N900 XChat notify the user?04:54
qoleflash the LED, make a noise, anything.04:55
fernando_doesn't it minimize to tray (or notification area) (or whatever they call it on maemo 5)04:55
qoleno such thing on Maemo 504:56
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qoleOK there is such a thing but it must be non-standard (ooh what a surprise)04:57
fernando_root is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.04:57
pupnikn900 direct cam stream04:58
b-man17qole: i´m shure you could use a d-bus message ;)04:58
fernando_nvm, worked now04:58
pupnikfor vlc / mplayer ... how?04:58
qolefernando_, Yes, I just got that report. Stop it.04:58
qolepupnik, use VLC on N90004:59
lcukqole, i thought you enjoyed the helicopter trips for those sudo violators04:59
GeneralAntillesqole, there's a notification area you can install in Extras.04:59
pupniknice fix on camera - pupnik report made into release maybe04:59
lcukno fun if you tell them over the internet04:59
GeneralAntillesqole, either that or bribe qwerty12 to get a libnotify patch in.04:59
pupnikhow stream cam?04:59
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pupnikthere was a gstreamer hack for n81005:00
lcukpupnik, you tried it in the same way as n8x005:00
lcukie with gstreamer and stuff05:00
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qolev4l2, /dev/video0 for "big" camera, video1 for front facing webcam05:00
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pupnikbut main cam05:00
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qolelooks like it is called hildon-systray05:04
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qolehildon-systray seems pretty lame tho05:05
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qoleyou click on the status area, then a button in the menu, and it shows you a dialog with the systray05:06
qoleyeah. hahaha. :-(05:07
fernando_not a smart place to put a tray innit05:08
qoleI never thought I'd say this but I miss the OS2008 interface...05:10
lcukqole, at least nowadays you dont have to write a 12line shell script to view systray entries.     :p05:10
qolelcuk, No you can pull up the systray dialog.05:11
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lcukthere you go05:11
lcukvast improvement05:11
lcukwe should make use of qwertys service provider widget05:11
lcukand put a real systray there05:11
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qoleover what exactly? When have we had to write a script to look at systray entries?05:12
qoleI'm going to go ask for a systray desktop widget.05:12
* lcuk nods05:13
lcukbut like i say, qwerty wrote a hacked widget to replace the provider name05:14
lcukie one that sits next to the fremantle systray05:14
qoleyes, I'm using it05:14
lcukyeah, its a better location for systray, since it exists over all 4 desktops05:14
qolehe just hacked the existing provider name thing.05:14
lcuki thought he made a new mini widget and replaced it05:15
qoledon't think so..05:15
fernando_a real tray should be visible systemwide tho, does that widget/hack replace the banner only on the desktop?05:16
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qolefernando_, yes, just the desktop.05:21
lcuk there you go qole, may provide inspiration to someone in a thread you make05:23
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qoleMy notification area is totally packed already...
lcukdamn damn vnc didnt bring it over05:24
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qolehildon-systray in action!!!
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GeneralAntillesAh, more idiots on Talk!05:47
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fernando_anyone knows where to find this still? lol07:02
GeneralAntillesfernando_, it's discontinued.07:02
GeneralAntillesMay I recommend mediautils instead, though?
fernando_nokia usually keeps discontinued apps just for archival purposes on betalabs, shame they didn't do it for that07:03
GeneralAntillesIt may very well be somewhere07:03
GeneralAntillesI don't know offhand, however.07:03
fernando_Runs on Linux, Mac OS X, Unix and Windows PCs. ooh07:03
fernando_that's cool07:03
fernando_(I liked the official one because of the mac os version)07:04
fernando_aw, requires mencoder, the mplayer port file for os x is screwed up on 10.6... I did compile my own mplayer a while ago, but definitely nothing to be done after midnight :P07:06
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kirmahow does the charging logic on n900 choose when charger is ok?07:12
kirmaI can't charge it from some sources that work well on other devices... does it actually require usb power budget negotiation?07:15
pupniki could never charge n810 in car07:16
pupniktwo adapters07:16
luke-jrpupnik: why not?07:16
pupnikduuno  assume voltage spec too low07:17
pupnikor something else07:17
pupnikone car adapter from nokia07:17
luke-jrI just use my AC adapter w/ an inverter..07:17
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pupnikheh, i do sometimes but two conversions bugs me07:19
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GeneralAntilleskirma, yes.07:26
GeneralAntilleskirma, dumb chargers are required to not have data pins.07:26
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kirmageneralantilles: I guess "iphone" usb cable adapter might solve it... on dealextreme, usb-usb07:35
iDialektI wonder what 4g means to CDMA customers ultimately07:40
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fernando_will it cause the ushering of a new era of cross compatiblity and network openness unprecedented even by god himself?!?!07:41
fernando_or just new marketing terms and even pricier contracts? :(07:41
iDialekt:( im not sure07:42
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RST38h"Due to the feedback and demand the N900 has got we decided to have a more polished release targeting a wider audience, even if at the cost of a later sales start. The rest is a consequence of this decision, including some of the problems you are reporting here."07:44
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RST38hThat is qgil responding to outcry about delays07:45
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fernando_ah, go him07:45
derfLet me get this straight. People really wanted it so they decided to delay releasing it.07:46
RST38hderf: A bit more complicated, I suspect07:46
RST38hderf: They did not expect so much interest, so they planned to release whatever they had and update later, like with previous devices07:47
derfRST38h: I'm not speculating on what really happened. I'm just trying to interpret the PR line they came up with.07:47
fernando_if it was just a couple geeks wanting it for hacking, sure, they can handle an incomplete product07:47
fernando_PR language is much like legalese, no one can really understand it07:47
RST38hderf: But got scared when they saw crowds at the gates07:47
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* RST38h curses the thumbnailer07:52
RST38hShit, couldn't they make tracker-related stuff customizable?07:52
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johnxit might be, at a gconf level07:53
johnxmornin' all07:54
fernando_I've been trying for a while now with other video converter apps, and even in mplayer, stuff gets stuttery07:54
RST38hmoo johnx07:54
fernando_what is the optimal settings to convert stuff for the N800? :P07:54
fernando_I'm even making the video 800px wide so mplayer doesn't have to scale it :(07:54
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johnxfernando_, divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz07:55
fernando_that works, thanks :P07:55
tigertuse tablet-encode07:55
johnxdivx or xvid or whatever07:55
johnxbut yeah, use tablet-encode07:55
tigert800x480 plays probably if it has low fps/bitrate07:55
johnxand change 100kb/s to 1000kb/s07:55
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tigerttablet-encode is good for this07:56
fernando_alright, let me try compiling mplayer again :(07:56
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johnxwhy are you compiling mplayer?07:57
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fernando_dont you need mencoder for tablet-encode?07:57
fernando_(I'm on OS X, and I'm relatively clueless about this kind of stuff, if it matters :P)07:58
RST38hjohnx: mplayer package contains both afaik07:58
johnxfernando_, do you have handbrake?07:59
fernando_I do07:59
fernando_should I just try "divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz" on it, instead of messing with tablet-encode?07:59
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johnxthough I don't remember if handbrake will create an avi ...08:00
johnxI was sure there was some nice thing for mac os x as well, but I only use it at work...08:00
fernando_there was the betalabs internet tablet converter or something, can't find a download of it though :(08:01
johnxtablet-encode + mplayer/mencoder are probably the easiest way to get guaranteed results08:02
johnxit looks like there are mplayer/mencoder binaries for mac os x (second result on google)08:03
johnxnot sure about the reputability of course08:03
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RST38h(well, it is not the tablet, but...)08:21
johnxwireless wha?08:22
microlithok, screw the n900, I want -THAT-08:23
johnxseriously though. bluetooth? wifi? xbee (sp?)?08:23
RST38hwhere is my dot matrix LCD with the touch screen though? and can it work as a phone? :)08:23
microlithwait, $4908:24
RST38hjohnx: A moment08:24
microliththat's seriously tempting08:24
RST38hCC430 microcontroller08:24
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RST38hcan I ssh to it? =)08:26
johnxso, some kind of proprietary wireless link it seems?08:26
johnxfor my $50 I think I'll pick up a zipit z2. a little bigger, but infinitely more capable08:27
* microlith looks up08:27
microlithoh that08:27
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microlithare those still hackable, or are they trying to close the holes?08:28
RST38hOnboard Airforce One:
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fernando_and I got tablet-encode working, thanks guys08:28
johnxthey made a nice public statement about encouraging hackers and then based their z2 on openembedded08:28
RST38h(the first who says "they are watching porn" gets the title of Cpt Obvious =))08:28
RST38hjohnx: What is wrong with OE?08:29
microlithjohnx: that's surprising, and good08:29
microlithalthough the thought of touching bitbake is off-putting >_>08:30
johnxRST38h, I was saying that in contrast to closing up the hole in their first one, they formally encouraged hacking of the second one08:30
johnxmicrolith, it can boot from mini-sd out of the box it seems08:30
johnxkernel+debian fs = win08:30
RXrenesis81they're lookin at:
johnxor that's my thinking at least08:30
microlithI'm reminded of the iOpener from years back08:31
johnxRXrenesis81, right. porn. wait, don't look at me like that!08:31
microlithwhere they got angry at people buying the devices sans contract and putting linux on them08:31
johnxmicrolith, seems they encourage people to pay some monthly fee for using their "IM service" but there's no need to "activate" it or anything like that08:32
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microlithjohnx: yeah, I didn't think there was08:33
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microliththat watch has a whole 4KB of RAM08:34
RST38hand it is not an iPhone!08:35
johnxI think RST38h would know, but a TI-83+ has more than 4KB RAM, right?08:36
RST38hOf course08:36
RST38hlemme check08:36
RST38hConfig says 32kB RAM08:36
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johnxyeah, don't think I'm gonna by a new programmable machine of any type with less RAM than the first device I hacked on...08:37
* RST38h sighs again at the Maemo6 Qt Compatibility thread08:37
RST38hThey did it again :(08:37
johnxthe compatibility break? or totally mismanaged the announcement that there would be one?08:38
RST38hjohnx: another pointless quest to create different UIs for each platform08:38
RST38hjohnx: it is like a quest for a Holy Grail08:39
johnxah, you mean symbian vs maemo? or symbian/maemo vs PC?08:39
johnxthe latter?08:39
RST38hThey have already brken Gtk+ in Maemo5, now doing the same with Qt08:39
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johnxeh. I had really hoped there would be less hacking of qt apps to work well on the tablets08:40
RST38h+ I see MVC models. The moment I see MVC mentioned, with a diagram, I start worrying08:40
RST38hjohnx: well if all goes as it should, qt apps should run on Maemo6, just look a bit less native08:41
johnxwhich is the gtk situation now08:41
johnxhopefully they'll look less totally out of place than vanilla gtk apps do on maemo4/508:41
RST38hMaemo4 played relatively well with vanilla gtk08:42
RST38hThere is hope Maemo6 will play ok with vanilla qt08:42
johnxtell me: does maemo5 play better or worse with gtk than maemo4 did? why do you think maemo6 will play nice with vanilla qt after they're done nokiafying it?08:43
RST38hmaemo5 does not work well with vanilla gtk, unlike maemo408:44
RST38hjohnx: well, my guess is that it takes time to break things, they won't be able to accomplish this for maemo6 ;)08:44
johnxand right now we have pretty vanilla qt that does some neat auto-hildonizing. I assume it will be thoroughly "optimized" by the maemo6 launch ...08:45
johnxhopefully it will be able to do a lot of the tweaks automagically08:45
RST38hparts of maemo6 are already available from git, afaik08:47
RST38hjohnx: + there is a link to part II08:47
johnxah good. glad part 2 is up08:47
johnxsorry, I'm just being pessimistic. must be monday still08:47
RST38hBut MVC crap is really worrying08:48
RST38hIt is what has made Symbian/S60 UI so hard to program08:48
RST38hNow they are transplanting it into Maemo08:49
johnxwhy does public transit in my area suck so horribly?08:59
johnxan hour and a half to get 9 freaking miles? really...08:59
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adeususe a bike09:10
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hcarregastatus on n900?09:31
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pekujahcarrega: I hear some people have received theirs09:32
pekujahcarrega: is that what you wanted to know?09:32
hcarregai pre order to09:32
hcarregai will w809:32
hcarregaim in europe09:32
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kirmawondering if one could enforce N900 to perform non-USB-compliant charging by software from userland... probably some software hack would allow it, but how deep it would need to go...09:49
johnxhuh? "non-usb-compliant"?09:50
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kirmaignore lack of charger indicator resistors and ignore lack of power budget negotiation09:50
kirmajust draw the load from USB power wires09:51
johnxdoes it really do that? I thought any 5v line was good enough...09:51
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kirmaI think it does those, and to get USB certification, it needs to09:51
luke-jrkirma: hop on the "annoying free software fanatic" bandwagon with me09:52
johnxprobably be easier to have a little external dongle that "does the right thing" and just carry that around09:52
kirmagf has been product manager for many of those accessories at the company, and they take things quite seriously09:52
luke-jras currently all the battery-handling code is closed09:52
jaemdoes anyone know how to get in touch with Shane Bradley (sbradley) - the guy who's maintaining the libqt4-maemo5-* packages in extras-devel?09:52
kirmausb certification I mean09:52
jaemfor some reason, his armel packages have an i386 qmake binary, and I have working packages I can post09:53
luke-jryeah, wasn't OTG required to drop for USB charging cert?09:53
johnxluke-jr, no09:53
kirmajohnx: I know it's just three resistors on correct places, but software override would be possible too09:53
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kirmaluke-jr: yep.09:53
johnxkirma, where should i look in /sys for it?09:53
kirmawell... AB connector used with OTG mandates that the device actually can provide some useful functions as a USB host09:54
kirmajohnx: oh, I wish I knew :)09:54
jaemkirma, talking about hacking OTG functionality?09:54
johnxright, and the software wasn't there at that point, so ...09:54
johnxtalking about charging from any plain old 5v without doing USB negotiation09:54
jaemjohnx, ah, so that's why it doesn't work :/09:55
kirmathe fact that the phone doesn't charge with plain USB-microusb cable from powered USB hub (disconnected from computer) strongly suggest me that it relies on negotiation when it doesn't see the "charger" resistors on data lines09:55
johnxI have a /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger entry that has a 0 in it right now09:55
tigertthe device comes with the plug dongle for small plug nokia chargers09:55
jaemI was wondering why chargers rated at 1A didn't work09:55
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tigertthat should take any 5v?09:56
jaemso the Nokia charger has Magic (TM) in it?09:56
johnxtigert, it does. I ... verified that :>09:56
kirmathe same hub is ok to charge e90 with passive adapter cable09:56
tigertit has some kind of regulator at least09:56
wazdhello maemo09:56
tigertso maybe that would work with just plain DC09:56
tigertdunno, but at least that charges ok09:57
kirmajaem: I believe the "dumb" method is to have some resistors wired between USB lines to indicate that the device is a charger09:57
johnxtigert, works quite well with anything you can get to fit in either of the holes09:57
tigertand the old chargers dont speak any usb09:57
kirma"smart" way is to negotiate load09:57
kirmaobviously two of these can't coexist on the same device...09:57
tigertthere are also those diy usb charger projects09:58
tigertthose likely have some resistors too09:58
kirmawell, can't coexist unless designed for it in advance09:58
* tigert has considered building one of those09:58
timeless_mbpwhat does "unable to create updated files list for package xxx: No such file or directory" mean?09:58
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johnxthe cool thing is one could put a mini-micro converter and the required resistors in the same little converter cable09:58
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johnxtimeless_mbp, context09:58
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timeless_mbpi'm trying to use apt-get install xxx in a scratchbox09:59
timeless_mbpbut the scratchbox is broken :)09:59
kirmaI have 10 euro battery pack from dealextreme/focalprice... which doesn't charge the phone from usb-out, but it works with usb-oldnokia + oldnokia-usb adapter combination ;)09:59
johnxah, you're trying to do something useful in sb. that's your problem09:59
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: fakeroot apt-get09:59
timeless_mbpyeah yeah09:59
JaffaMorning all09:59
jaemkirma, really?  For the N900?10:00
timeless_mbpi'm using fakeroot, i think10:00
jaemmorning, Jaffa10:00
timeless_mbpah, i'm missing /var/lib/dpkg/info10:00
kirmajaem: which specific part you refer by "really" ? :)10:00
timeless_mbpand the error message was incredibly unhelpful10:00
jaemheh... that might be an issue10:00
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jaemkirma, I have a (presumably) similar battery pack, with the same problem, and was curious as to why the adapter made it work10:01
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jaemalso, are those the adapters that are almost impossible to get these days, or other ones?10:01
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timeless_mbpcp: cannot create regular file `/var/backups/infodir.bak'10:02
kirmaeither the adapter is intelligent and acts as USB host and negotiates power budget (extremely unlikely) or has just couple magic resistors between USB pads (much more likely, as far as I remember it's an extension to USB spec that indicates dumb charger on the end of the cable)10:02
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kirmadisconnected but powered usb hub doesn't work for me, neither does the battery pack directly; but cheapo chinese usb-"iphone" charger works, as well as hub when connected to computer, or the battery pack with adapter combination10:04
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johnxthe good news is we get to piggy back off all of those usb-iphone chargers10:05
kirmadevices that work with iphone 3GS are probably "good" ... but ones that don't claim to do so can be less certain.10:06
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johnxexcept when they're broken :)10:07
johnx(I wondered why someone left a "free" iphone charger on my desk at work. now I know.)10:08
jaemjohnx, altruism?10:08
johnxit doesn't work :)10:08
jaemheh... I gathered10:08
johnxsometimes things that get left on my desk magically start working. and when that happens *sometimes* I give them back :>10:09
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rmrfchikdamn.. in Russia the n900 price is $1k... fail.10:22
Stskeeps$1k? not bad10:22
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kirmarmrfchik: you know: there's widely spread knowledge of the fact that russia is one of those countries where higher price actually *improves* the customer perception of a product.10:24
rmrfchikfuck the perception.10:25
kirmaat least in the eyes of the financially potential customers10:25
rmrfchikand nokia's price politic10:25
rmrfchikwill buy competitor. it's sad.10:26
kirmaregarding the chances of getting a cheap N900 with cyrillic keypad... well, that pricing is unfortunate.10:26
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kirmaanyway, price differences between markets are not arbitary10:27
rmrfchikStskeeps: moreover, the first internet shop sells on price $2.1k. But I think this just greed10:31
johnxheh, speaking of pricing in different markets. I hear the PS2 just (officially) made it to Brazil for the equivalent of $500USD or so10:32
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lardman|homecan items be removed from a GtkTable?10:34
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lardman|homeor, how can I make an empty V/HBox has zero wodth/height?10:34
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lardman|homeI need to switch my screen items from horizontal to vertical to handle changes in orientation. Moving them between H/VBox containers works, but I get an ugly blak space where the empty container is10:36
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lardman|homeah, gtk_container_remove10:38
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lardman|homemorning L0cutus10:40
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Stskeepsi wonder how many times some sentence containing the words "n900" "waiting" "making" "me" "crazy" has been uttered11:08
johnxthe people waiting for the n900 are making me crazy11:08
Stskeepsthe device certainly has the potential to turn normally sane people into madmen :P11:08
timeless_mbpi object11:10
timeless_mbpcounsel is asserting sanity of unknown people11:10
* timeless_mbp pokes sbox until it has enough file system structure to let things install11:10
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[dmp]Stskeeps: That would explain why my N900 got instanity test pre-installed :-)11:11
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timeless_mbpbad day11:48
timeless_mbpmy sbox doesn't like me11:48
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timeless_mbpthe x86 sbox works fine11:49
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Stskeepsmorning javispedro11:59
javispedrowhat a nice day11:59
javispedromore trolls in tmo, more excuses in the DDP...11:59
nomisjavispedro: where do you get excuses from the DDP?12:00
javispedrotmo of course.12:00
Stskeepsjavispedro: it'll be interesting to see where the FN NDA&low level stuff could lead12:00
javispedrospecially if they're completely serious about it12:01
javispedrosince initially I disregarded that too quickly seems12:01
Stskeepsif they want us to treat FN seriously, FN should treat us seriously :)12:02
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javispedroexactly. I want them to AIR MAIL me instead of emailing me, and they have to refer to me as "sir".12:03
javispedroand spell proof their mails so I can actually learn english from them.12:03
Stskeepsbut anyway, the weird attitudes is another step in making maemo a first degree player, also inside the company, -i think-12:04
Stskeepsthat this fight is one that has to be taken :P12:04
javispedroheh, nice PoV12:05
Stskeepscos you can't have two departments doing the same thing12:05
javispedrothe issue is that it seems "it's not the same thing"12:06
Stskeepsin denmark we have the saying there needs to be dead bodies on the table before something is done about it12:06
Stskeepsand i think FN/MD can learn a lot from this encounter with open source developers12:07
Stskeepsand hopefully in the end work out for the better :P12:07
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javispedroas for myself though, I don't want to fight it -- I want the device :P 1 week warranty is more than what I had with this n810 :)12:08
Stskeepswell, it's also a learning process for open source developers12:09
javispedroguess so.12:09
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javispedroI just hope the "not as primary device" moniker is dropped entirely.12:11
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Stskeepsi bought my first n800 from US, and hence no warranty.12:11
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: what did i do wrong?12:12
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: the shell looks really really messed up if it's scratchbox12:12
timeless_mbpit's scratchbox12:13
Stskeepsalso, that's cs2005q3, aren't we at later version now?12:13
timeless_mbpthere's a 'script' session12:13
timeless_mbphow would i know?12:13
Stskeepsi'm quite confident your target is malconfigured12:14
timeless_mbpoh sure12:14
timeless_mbpi had to make it from 'scratch' w/o following any directions12:14
timeless_mbpbecause the image i downloaded didn't have *anything*12:14
Stskeepsdid you use the shiny installer?12:15
timeless_mbpi used the shiny zip that had a vmdk+vmx12:15
timeless_mbpwhat it didn't seem to have was a scratchbox12:16
timeless_mbpor anything else!12:16
timeless_mbpclaims i want scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm712:16
Stskeepsyou will be a lot happier if you just downloaded a ubuntu vmdk and ran the installer in there12:16
timeless_mbpi think i'd be happier if i installed it into your Mer12:17
Stskeepsmight work12:17
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javispedrooh, they finally documented that vdso=2 also works12:21
* javispedro still believes vdso=2 should be the default and not vdso=012:21
javispedrowell, tbh, the default should be to apply the glibc patch to sbox already dammit.12:21
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Stskeepssb1 should just die12:22
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ccooke*yawn* Morning12:23
javispedronot until sb2 gets up to speed12:24
javispedromorn ccooke12:24
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Ford_PrefectHello! Has anybody managed to get pulseaudio running on Fremantle x86?12:27
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timeless_mbpswitching to cs2007 fixed it12:29
timeless_mbpi now have a cpa12:29
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Ford_PrefectPut another way, is anyone facing problems with applications not being able to resolve the symbol "eventfd"12:29
* timeless_mbp frowns12:30
timeless_mbphow do i make interesting targets?12:30
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[1]crownhi @all i have a little Problem with the install of SDK5.0 could anybody help me? i get the following error message in both ways (.py wizard and .sh install script) failed to fetch http:// (repo) /Packages.gz with a 401 Unautorized12:34
[1]crowni tried to fetch the file by wget directly this works i dont know why it wont work inside the script12:35
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tigertyou run the script as root and wget as non-root?12:37
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tigertroot does not have http_proxy set?12:37
[1]crownit tells me that i shouldnt run the script as root12:37
[1]crownso i dont used root for wget and the script12:37
tigertwhich script?12:37
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[1]crowni have downloaded the maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sdk and he maemo-install-wizard_5.0.py12:38
qwerty12qole: (Since you "read the IRC logs") No, I did not hack the existing operator name widget. I wrote a new one. Unlike you, I used C for this task and not some bash scripts12:38
[1]crownboth scripts stuck at the same time12:38
Shapeshifterlordy chromium is fast12:39
[1]crownbut tigert you could be right i just see the wizard needs to run under root12:40
[1]crowni try the install script without root again12:40
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[1]crown@tigert i use the maemo sdk vm12:42
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tigertsee what the sh script is trying to do and where it fails?12:48
tigertI dunno what else it could be12:48
* timeless_mbp frowns12:48
tigertdo you need a proxy in your network etc?12:48
* timeless_mbp tries to remember how to distinguish between armel and (intel?) from debian/rules12:49
[1]crown@tigert i see that i cant reach the repo when iam root (tryed sudo su and then direct opend the link in bowser12:49
[1]crown@tigert so how can i solve this Problem generally12:49
timeless_mbpDEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU ?12:49
_berto_timeless_mbp: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU12:52
timeless_mbp_berto_: from debian/rules ?12:52
_berto_not sure if DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU is defined automatically12:52
tigert[1]crown: sorry, I dont know the script12:52
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tigert[1]crown: see what it is trying to do and where it fails12:52
_berto_DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU)12:52
_berto_that could work12:52
tigertI cannot help more12:52
* timeless_mbp sighs12:53
[1]crown@tigert it seems not to be a problem in the script itselve i cant reach the repository when iam root if iam not root i can download the files well12:53
timeless_mbphow do i get debian/rules to show me the commands it's actually running? :(12:53
Stskeepsit's a makefile?12:53
timeless_mbpthat's helpful :)12:54
_berto_timeless_mbp: you mean which targets are called ?12:54
timeless_mbp_berto_: not really sure12:55
tigert[1]crown: do you need to use a proxy?12:55
timeless_mbpi'll post a deb-src someday12:55
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timeless_mbpdpkg-genchanges: warning: duplicate files list entry for file foo-ver_all.deb12:56
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_berto_the targets that are called are 'debian/rules build' and 'fakeroot debian/rules binary'12:59
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Stskeepswb lardman, qwerty1213:04
timeless_mbpqwerty12: so, your cpa compiled in my stupid sbox13:04
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qwerty12Stskeeps: Thanks13:04
lardmanhi Stskeeps13:04
* timeless_mbp wonders how to get the deb to be built13:04
qwerty12timeless_mbp: Woo.13:04
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lardmanI'm thinking of adding a barcode recogniser, e.g. MAEMO-INSTALL: to allow .install files to be contained in a 2D barcode. Any thoughts?13:05
timeless_mbpsomeone asked why i didn't use dpkg-trigger13:06
timeless_mbpthe reason is that maemo doesn't support it13:06
timeless_mbp(seems to be a pretty good reason not to use it)13:06
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timeless_mbpthat leads me to the "chasing my tail" path13:08
timeless_mbpanyone understand 'apt-worker'?13:08
timeless_mbpis it: ham => apt-worker => dpkg => _me_13:08
timeless_mbpand apt-get => dpkg => _me_ ?13:08
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lardmanalso, if anyone wants a particular type of 2D barcode handled, please let me know what it is and how it should be handled13:11
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* timeless_mbp grumbles13:18
timeless_mbpif i call foo &13:18
timeless_mbpand then i die13:18
Stskeepsthen foo might die with you13:18
timeless_mbpfoo's PPID will eventually become 113:18
timeless_mbpStskeeps: if i don't actively orphan it?13:19
Stskeepsit is very dirty, fwiw13:19
Stskeepswhat are you trying to accomplish?13:19
timeless_mbpi need to suggest to the user that they reboot13:19
timeless_mbpbut not until dpkg and friends finish13:20
Stskeepsisn't there a function for that?13:20
timeless_mbptriggers don't work on maemo13:20
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zaheermplease test zoutube from extras-testing and vote/comment here:
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ShadowJKheh, screen protector seems somewhat dubious. I think it has glue13:27
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timeless_mbpis the n900 available there?13:28
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Stskeepsoh no no ..13:28
Stskeepsi thought we had killed red pill by now :)13:28
ShadowJKtimeless, 4.12 like everywhere else .fi !nokiashop13:28
timeless_mbpStskeeps: nope, red pill is still very important13:29
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lardmandoes red pill actually do anything now?13:37
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timeless_mbpit enables the install from file item13:38
timeless_mbpit shows packages which aren't user/ packages13:38
timeless_mbpit gives you settings which lets you tweak various caching bits13:38
lardmanah, I wondered where the install from file had gone13:39
timeless_mbpafaict, it hasn't been particularly neutered13:39
zaheermi see maemo6 packages13:39
lardmanbut I didn't see millions of system packages like in the old days13:39
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timeless_mbpyou probably haven't used settings to enable them13:39
qwerty12That's because "Show all packages" is turned off by default13:39
lardmanah, that may well be it13:39
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timeless_mbpi think the default advanced might be saner than it was in the past13:40
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Stskeepsany here with windows 7 and flasher-3.5?13:41
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Stskeepshello felbutss13:42
felbutsshi im working if someone can help me. i have a bricked N90013:42
Stskeepsfelbutss: could you start with telling us where you downloaded flasher-3.5?13:42
lardmanStskeeps: should have a laptop with Win7 sometime this week13:43
felbutssi ran this command on flasher which i downloaded from maemo.org13:43
felbutssC:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-1 1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R13:43
felbutsshey guys by the way13:43
SpeedEvili assume there is also a linux flasher?13:43
felbutssand it keeps saying Suitable USB device not found, waiting.13:43
lardmanfelbutss: is this a production device?13:43
felbutssim on windows 7.13:43
Stskeepsfelbutss: is this a 64-bit windows, by the way?13:43
* SpeedEvil needs to actually start reading shit now his device is prolly on the way.13:44
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lardmanfelbutss: ok, that usb device not found is normal, until you plug in the device13:44
Lynourefelbutss: that does not sound like bricking, yet.13:44
hrwanother question I have: maemo5 is compiled for armv7a with neon or just armv5te like it was in past?13:44
lardmanfelbutss: you attaching it to the root hub?13:44
Stskeepshrw: armv7a13:44
Stskeepsfelbutss: do you have a non-64 bit windows by chance?13:45
felbutssill try that again. just a sec. ps: this is so stresful13:45
hrwStskeeps: thx13:45
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Stskeepsfelbutss: hehe, it's like your pet being sick :)13:45
hrwStskeeps: so finally someone updated qemu in sbox?13:45
Stskeepshrw: yeah13:45
Stskeepsfelbutss: i think the problem is that flasher-3.5 does not work on 64-bit windows13:46
felbutssit is lol been waiting so long for this thing13:46
felbutssye i thought soo. dammm need to find a xp machine13:46
lardmanor a Linux box ;)13:46
Lynourefelbutss: Or linux live cd?13:46
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felbutssbrb guys im going to work. ill try it on their machines13:46
felbutsssee ya in 1013:47
Stskeepsfelbutss: the good news is that your device is probably not dead :)13:47
felbutssi hope so13:47
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SpeedEvilIs there a pedometer app?13:47
lardmanSpeedEvil: no, but would be interesting13:47
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lardmanhey javispedro13:47
javispedrohiyo lardman13:48
SpeedEvilI clipped my pedo to my boot, and lost it.13:48
lardmanI've not looked at the raw accelerometer data, but should be easy enough to stick something together assuming the steps can be detected13:49
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javispedronote that, at least on vista, command line windows in admin mode do clearly say so in the title bar13:49
SpeedEvilyeah. It's lots easier if you stick it to your ankle - but not hard even if not.13:49
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SpeedEvilWhat's the 'always on' - running with low CPU usage battery life I would wonder though.13:50
lardmandepends how ninja-like your steps are ;)13:50
javispedroouch, I've been late :P13:50
SpeedEvilWell - that too.13:50
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lardmanwell it will last all day, certainly longer than I'll be walking13:50
lardmanI imagine13:50
lardmannot sure of the exact draw of the accelerometers13:51
SpeedEvillardman: a miliamp or so, based on similar data.13:51
lardmanplus the extra processor use13:52
lardmanbut if it's a mA, that sounds not very much13:52
SpeedEvilWell - it should be13:52
lardmancpu will need to wake to read the hw13:52
SpeedEvilyes, I suppose I need to find the docs for the hw and read it. I've been putting off doing that until my order was confirmed.13:53
lardmanderf: good that wikipedia page on shape matching, thanks13:53
lardmanSpeedEvil: reading the accelerometer is quite easy, it's in the wiki13:54
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SpeedEvilreading the accel is quite easy - yes.13:54
lardmanSpeedEvil: you should be able to put together an app in about 10min, using python for example13:54
SpeedEvilI was more meaning working out if the current current draw is optimal, based on fundamental hardware limitations.13:54
SpeedEvilOr if it's software in any aspect.13:54
lardmanI'd just test and see13:55
SpeedEvilfor example - going through an interrupt handler and doing pedometer in kernel is going to be cheaper than doing it with dbus+python.13:55
hrwother question: as maemo5 is more or less based on Debian 'lenny' does it accept packages from it (when deps are fullfilled)?13:55
lardmanhmm, my headphone indicator is not showing up, even tho noise is going through them....13:56
javispedrohrw: they won't be optified, but of course, deps fullfilled is enough for any package to be accepted.13:58
Stskeepshrw: i think it's still fairly etch based, but who knows..13:59
hrwjavispedro: personally I do not care about optify - will find out a way D:13:59
lardmanhrw: what do you want to install?13:59
javispedroand of course most GUI packages will fail to appear on the menu13:59
hrwjavispedro: maemo5 do not have menu. it just have crappy launcher13:59
hrwlardman: time will show14:00
hrwlardman: no device, no installing14:00
lardmanah, yes14:00
hrwlardman: and sdk image nearly collapsed when I installed half of extras in it14:00
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fiferboyhi all14:01
Stskeepsheya fiferboy14:01
hrwStskeeps: maemo community team should get nokia to sponsor proper autobuilder based on Debian builder.14:01
lardmanhi fiferboy14:01
hrwStskeeps: now extras contain packages which are not installable due to lack of deps14:01
lardmanfiferboy: how's fiferbaby 2.0?14:01
fiferboyhi lardman, stskeeps14:02
Stskeepshrw: we are from Mer side pushing OBS personally14:02
fiferboylardman, asleep in my arms now14:02
lardmangentle typing14:02
fiferboyI thought I would try to catch up with things, but talk is hopeless14:02
JaffaStskeeps: What packages in Extras aren't installable?14:03
infobotJaffa meant: hrw: What packages in Extras aren't installable?14:03
hrwStskeeps: for me it can be even using qemu under qemu under qemu and all on 386sx with 2MB ram as long as result will be proper feeds14:03
hrwJaffa: let me run vbox14:04
fiferboyanything big going on lately?14:04
lardmanI've managed to get mbarcode into extras-devel14:04
lardmannot done anything with emerillon14:04
lardmanso not really :)14:05
hrwlardman: 'mbarcode' because it is 'maemo barcode'?14:05
Stskeepsoh dear14:05
Stskeepsqwerty12 and qwertyberty on t.m.o14:05
Stskeepsthis is going to get complicated14:05
* w00t_ blinks14:05
Stskeepsboth from UK14:06
lardmanhrw: yeah, and not allowed to use maemo in the name14:06
hrwlardman: if your app is onl for maemo platform then what sense is in adding 'm' to name?14:07
hrwif I will write modplayer then it will be hmqmodplay14:07
fiferboyit is weird not doing any programming for so long14:07
hrwto follow naming of other devs14:07
lardmanhrw: who knows14:08
derflardman: Yer welcome.14:08
hrwso instead of just 'Module player' it will be 'Hrw M.emo Qt Module Player'14:09
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fiferboytime to go put the baby down14:09
lardmanhrw: yeah I understand, but decided not to name it after a noun14:09
lardmanor something ;)14:10
fiferboylater all14:10
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lardmancu fiferboy14:11
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hrwheh.. sbox do not have killall command14:12
hrwJaffa: fmradio deends on n900-fmtx-enabler which is not installable14:15
adeusbe carefull with your kills inside the scratchbox14:15
adeushost processes are visible :)14:15
hrwStskeeps: I did configured it for fremantle-x86 already14:16
hrwadeus: I know14:16
hrwadeus: and I use crapbox inside of vbox14:16
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Stskeepshrw: sb-conf has a kill all processes in target thing14:16
adeusyeah that's handy14:17
hrwand I love SBOX/etc/resolv.conf not being used for dns14:17
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hrwwhoever created crapbox had some nice weed to smoke14:18
hrwif I do 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' INSIDE of sbox then it should show me what it uses for dns - right?14:18
Stskeepsor cat /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf14:19
hrwStskeeps: they are different files14:19
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derfcat /etc/resolv.conf inside sb should just show
hrw~hail @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk14:22
* infobot bows down to @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"14:22
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felbutsshey guys14:22
Stskeepswelcome back felbutss14:22
felbutssjust got to work14:22
derf(which is users/<user>/targets/<target>/etc/resolv.conf)14:22
felbutssi prlug it in and it vibrats and the yellow light comes on, then i see nokia on the screen really faint with no back light14:23
felbutssits like the firmware is half there. then it keeps restarting14:23
lardmandid it flash?14:23
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felbutsssuitible usb device now found14:23
felbutsssuitible usb device not found14:24
Stskeepsfelbutss: how was the battery state before this happened?14:24
felbutssabout 20%14:24
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StskeepsOK, did you bring your USB wall charger?14:25
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felbutssok ill have to do it at my mates house now14:25
Stskeepsone reason why it might not flash may be due to low battery14:25
felbutssso u think i should charge it first14:25
Stskeepsit's a safety thing14:25
Stskeepsbasically leave it in charger for a while, even if it continues rebooting14:25
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felbutssok good point. very good point14:26
felbutssill go home now and charge it. ill let u guys know how i went in the morning14:26
Stskeepsalso, where do you plug in the usb cable?14:26
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Stskeepsin a usb port or directly in the PC?14:26
Stskeepserr, usb hub14:26
guysoft_nokiahey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it?14:26
felbutssin the back14:26
felbutssnot the hub14:26
Stskeepsok, good14:26
lardmaneven in the back it might be thro an internal hub14:26
lardmanso you might need to switch the socket you use14:26
felbutssthe battery really could be flat. makes sense. im just so panaking14:27
felbutssok ill try that now brb14:27
Stskeepsfelbutss: don't worry about it :) it's a managable problem for sure14:27
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Stskeepsyou did everything by the book it seems, so14:27
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guysoft_nokiaanyone uses here gpe calendar?14:28
Stskeepsfelbutss: good luck with it - just come and poke me here when you have it more charged14:30
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tekojoHi, could someone check if they can run apt-get update in a Fremantle scratchbox environment14:31
tekojopreferrably outside Finland14:31
hrwJaffa: extras-devel contains uninstallable stuff14:32
hrwJaffa: abus-frabs depends abuse which is missing14:32
hrwapt-file, barrage, dfontmgr, aisleriot-card-theme-paris etc...14:32
felbutssye im trying it on a diferent machine. still no luck. might need the wall charger. will it charge no matter the state of the firmware?14:33
hrwdoc-base is required for few packages and is not available14:33
Stskeepstekojo: i have issues14:33
Stskeepsfelbutss: yes, the bootloader helps charging a little14:33
felbutssok. im off home then. fingers crossed for the morning14:34
felbutssthanks for ur help stskeeps14:34
tekojoStskeeps 401 ?14:34
felbutssif it works i o u14:34
Stskeepstekojo: jabber14:34
Stskeepsfelbutss: nah, just help out other people that has similar problems, and i'm happy :)14:34
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guysoft_nokiahey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it? (repost)14:39
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DavideOMG where is my N900!!!!!!!!!15:03
lardmanI just saw one fall past the window, perhaps it was yours?15:04
Davidewhy didn't you catch it!!!!!!15:05
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lardmanalready got one15:05
MyrttiDavide: how about you have a cup of chill15:05
lardmandon't want to be greedy15:05
Davidelol Myrtti15:05
DavideMyrtti, do you have an N900?15:06
Myrttino, I'15:07
Myrttim waiting for the prices go down a bit15:07
DavideI would have paid more to have it a month ago!15:08
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Myrttiand you are paying exactly how much now?15:09
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Davide$529 hopefully - $50 rebate = $479 USD15:14
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Myrttiand the prices here are currently around 830 USD, withtout rebates15:14
Myrttiso, while you'll be prepared to pay more, I'll just wait here patiently, thank you very much.15:15
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toggles_wDavide: apparently newegg is going to hav 10% off tomorrow bringing base price to $504 - $50 rebate, $455 or so..15:17
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SpeedEvilI think I end up at $444 - once my final rebate comes through.15:18
toggles_wno idea if it's actually true though but $450 is ok15:18
SpeedEvilWhich isn't bad. :)15:19
Davidemy problem is with newegg I pay taxes here in California15:19
Davidewith amazon I dont15:19
Davideso its still a little cheaper with amazon, but most of all15:19
DavideI don't want to delay the shipment any longer15:19
toggles_wyeah, i'm on the amazon list too15:19
SpeedEvilYou pay taxes either way, you mean, you just have to remember to pay them one way you mean.15:19
Davidehas newegg started shipping?15:19
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toggles_wwonder when they will ship15:19
DavideSpeedEvil, riiiiiiite15:20
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Davidelet me rephrase15:20
Davidewith Amazon I can evade the IRS... with newegg I have to pay the taxes15:20
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SpeedEvilThat includes VAT at 17.5% - for me.15:20
SpeedEvilI wonder what's involved in setting up my own fake company.15:20
glass_filling a form15:20
toggles_wSpeedEvil: you in the (y)UK?15:20
SpeedEvil(vat registered)15:20
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Davideis newegg shipping?15:20
SpeedEviltoggles_w: yes15:20
SpeedEviltoggles_w: actually.15:21
* SpeedEvil checks.15:21
toggles_wSpeedEvil: where did you get it and are you locked into a contract?15:21
SpeedEviltoggles_w: yes, house hasn't been moved.15:21
SpeedEviltoggles_w: - with no contract - with several voucher codes.15:21
toggles_wi'll be in London thursday, if i can buy one cash for that price i might cancell newegg15:21
Davidetoggles_w, do you have any info on when anazon is shipping?15:21
SpeedEviltoggles_w: You can't15:21
toggles_wDavide: nope, sorry15:21
SpeedEviltoggles_w: it was a one-off - expiring Oct 2115:21
toggles_wSpeedEvil: blah.. you're a tease15:21
DavideDell is shipping I read!15:21
SpeedEviltoggles_w: you can today get IIRC 15% off only.15:22
Davideshoulda gone with dell!15:22
Davidetoggles_w,  when did you order from amazon?15:22
toggles_wyeah, saw that yesterday15:22
toggles_wabout a week ago, then reordered on sunday when they dropped the price again15:22
Davideyou dont have to do that when they drop the price they'lll just adjust it15:23
DavideI'm afraid of re-ordering15:23
toggles_wyeah, i wasn't sure15:23
DavideI ordered on Oct. 17th15:23
Davideand I might not get the rebate cause of that15:23
toggles_wreorder! ;-)15:23
Davidebut I"m afraid of re-ordering cause I don't want to lose my spot15:23
SpeedEvil(however - I am planning on eventually getting a contract which will work out - if it goes right - 'free'.)15:23
SpeedEvil(through rebates)15:23
toggles_wi'm sure it's ship date not order date15:23
Davideidk I hope so15:23
DavideI called nokia and they seemed to think it was the order date15:24
toggles_worder another and ship it back ;-)15:24
DavideI dont care anyomre just want the damn thing15:24
Davidethought about that too15:24
Davidethat means I cant open this one if it arrives first15:25
auenfjust accidentaly ship it to me15:25
zaheermSpeedEvil, 15% in uk for a little while :)15:26
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SpeedEvilzaheerm: oh - true.15:26
zaheerm15% vat15:27
SpeedEviltoggles_w: yes - me.15:28
toggles_wstill works out to 415UKP or ~USD670, little much15:29
toggles_wi'll spend my money at the borough markets15:30
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blwwaris maemo based on OO15:44
Stskeepsparse error, please restate your question :)15:45
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CShadowRunWhatever OO is, no. It's based on Debian :P15:45
blwwarobject oriented15:46
lardmanit's not C atm no15:47
lardmanC++ even15:47
blwwarthen what is it15:48
StskeepsGObject may be consider OO..15:48
lardmanI guess so15:48
blwwarwhat language is it programmed in15:48
lardmanblwwar: your question doesn't really make much sense you know15:48
lardmanblwwar: mixture of asm, c for the most part, tho you can program in whatever lang you want15:48
blwwarooh in C?15:49
blwwarand asm15:49
lardmanit is Linux after all15:49
blwwarwhats this thing abaout it being debian based?15:49
lardmanthe maemo ui stuff is in C, but is moving to Qt, which therefore means C++15:49
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lardmanit's based on debian....15:51
lardmanuses the same tools, .deb files, apt-get, etc, etc15:51
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blwwarah ok15:54
blwwarso this is something of a debian project?15:54
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blwwarah k15:55
blwwarbut wow asm and c15:55
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blwwarthats gotta be fast15:55
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lardmanblwwar: Linux is written in C and ASM15:55
lardmanit is Linux15:55
lardmana Linux which is based on Debian, with a UI called maemo15:55
lardmanwhich is written in C15:56
lardmanusing GTK+15:56
lardmanbut which will move to using Qt15:56
blwwarso isnt android partly based on linux ytoo?15:57
lardmanyes, Linux is actually only the kernel15:58
zaheermblwwar, it has a linux kernel15:58
zaheermblwwar, but that is it15:58
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adeusmaemo is based on debian15:59
adeus..with a ui fw called hildon16:00
lardmanah yes16:00
adeusand Hildon is a set of GTK extensions16:00
blwwarso whats the objective?16:00
blwwarprimary objective16:00
blwwarbe fast?16:00
lardmanbe useful on a phone16:00
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blwwarwell most phones are16:01
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blwwarandroid is , iphone is16:01
lardmanis what?16:01
blwwarwhats going to be different about maemo16:01
yuizyopen source16:01
lardmanno, you asked what maemo's was goal was16:01
blwwarwill the phones be equipped with a cam ?16:01
lcukcompatibility with desktop level libraries (and to some degree uis too)16:01
lcuk2 cameras16:02
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lcukgo read :)16:02
glass_blwwar: main differences philosophically with android: native apps are encouraged.  main difference with iphone: you don't need apple16:02
glass_nor appstore shenigans16:03
blwwarwill maemo come with a kill switch too?16:03
lardmanif you hit someone really hard with it16:03
glass_if you let someone to rm -rf16:04
glass_dunno why would16:04
vesayou can kill processes =P16:04
lcukglass_, "would you like a hannah montana screensaver with that?"16:04
lardmanwhat's a kill switch?16:04
blwwarwhat i mean is16:04
cenwesidoes any one have any info on when Newegg will recieve and start shipping?16:04
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blwwarandroid said you could install watever apps16:04
glass_lcuk: hannah montana screensaver done in flash16:04
blwwaronly later to find out they had a kill switch16:04
derfcenwesi: Yes. Someone does.16:04
lardmanhmm, I see16:04
blwwarif they wanated to they could use the kill switch to erase your app16:04
blwwaror something of that degree16:04
blwwarit made big headlines im sure you all know16:04
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lcukblwwar, only because they removed 1984 or something16:05
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blwwarwhats 198416:05
lardmanthey can remotely remove apps from your Android phone?16:05
blwwarit came in the newqs16:05
lcukahhh hang on, that was kindle16:05
blwwarand they were like " all phones have it but they dont admit to it"16:05
lcukim getting my digital overlords mixed up16:05
glass_they can remotely decide to do anything with your android, provided you install their updates16:05
lardmanblwwar: service messages you mean?16:06
VDVsxdiscovered this pearl via qgil post about ovi.sore:
VDVsxifart is doomed :P16:06
blwwari dont remember what exactly16:06
cenwesiderf who?16:06
blwwarthey called it a kill switch16:06
lardmanI'm thinking about the implemention16:06
lardmanspecifically with reference to their comment about every phone having the ability16:06
blwwarso like16:06
lcukVDVsx, you seen the vid/pic of someone with iphone with multiple pages of fart apps16:06
blwwarfor support16:06
lcuklong way to go yet16:06
glass_blwwar: anyhow, with maemo, you don't need appstore-someone-else-manages-your-apps shit, unless you want16:06
blwwaron maemo16:06
blwwarwe come here?16:07
VDVsxlcuk, no, lol16:07
blwwaror mail nokia i suppose?16:07
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lcuklemme just see16:07
suihkulokkiwho's going to do the first fart app for maemo?16:07
lcukblwwar, depends on app source and stuff, usually theres support channels of some variety, whether it be bugtrackers or something16:07
lcukwell khertan already made light sabre and of course moobox exists16:07
lcukso you could just change the pic and sounds16:08
lcukand have fun16:08
VDVsxlcuk, that one is very advanced:
lcuksuihkulokki, we need a doorbell widget16:08
blwwarno i mean issues with the phone besides hardware16:08
glass_panic button widget16:08
blwwari'd be looking at support from maemo right16:08
glass_i a big button that would erase all your data16:08
blwwarfor the n90016:08
lcukjust a simple pic and a sound when pressed16:08
lcukso kids can make variations without needing tonnes of knowledge16:09
lcukit should be autopackagable and use khertans pypackager as well16:09
lcukso you can download a "fart making app"16:09
lcukand make as many as you want16:09
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zaheermVDVsx, i updated the travel part for bcn long weekend, just check if it makes sense to you pls16:09
lcukall configured correctly to pass the -testing criteria16:10
VDVsxzaheerm, let me see :)16:10
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lcukare we arranging our own travel for long weekend or waiting for the .fi agency as usual?16:10
zscan I install latest maemo sdk on 64-bit architecture?16:10
zaheermVDVsx, i replaced the fixmes that i added last week16:10
zaheermlcuk, the fi agency already booked my flights16:10
VDVsxlcuk, me too16:11
Ford_PrefectIs supposed to be available on the x86 part of the SDK?16:11
lcuki best look back through my list then :S ive been a bit sidetracked gettin job16:11
VDVsxzaheerm, sound good, thanks :)16:11
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t_s_ohmm, so no warranty on discount devices...16:26
serenityis there a possibility to use the fm-transmitter for telephoning?16:26
zaheermVDVsx, i should put a link to a google map from cornella station to the hotel i guess16:26
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Jaffahrw: Does it give a reason as to why n900-fmtx-enabler is not installable? (apt-get might give more info)16:31
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hrwJaffa: that was all what it said16:34
hrwand I shutdowned that vbox16:34
pillaris there no unrar for maemo?16:34
pillarI can find unzip from extras-devel, but couldn't find anything mentioning rars16:35
wazdRST38h: ping16:38
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lardmanhmm, just received a message from about mbarcode, just containing a comment16:43
lardmanhmm, never realised apps have their own pages16:46
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mgedminpillar, unrar 1:3.5.4-1 exists in extras-devel17:00
mgedminfor fremantle17:00
pillarmgedmin hmm I wonder why I didn't see it then17:00
pillarthanks for the info17:00
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Stskeepspillar: command line application, so not in user/17:01
Stskeepsapt-get would get it17:01
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tigertsigh, always this problem with extras-devel17:03
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tigert..and now it worked again once i whined about it17:03
* mgedmin uses command-line just because app manager is soooo slooow17:03
pillarnow I found it, but when trying apt-get install unrar it says unauthorized17:04
tigertsome mirror being broken?17:04
tigertapt-get install anarchism17:05
tigertsounds scary :)17:05
tigertapt-get life ;)17:05
Stskeepspillar: there's a export filter problem on repositories right now17:05
pillarStskeeps: I thought something might be going on - in app manager I kept receiving this failed error even on testing17:06
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mgedminpillar, it _always_ says unauthorized, dunno why nobody ever set up package signing properly for maemo17:06
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lardmanit was removed wasn't it as it annoyed people17:08
DocScrutinizerin case anybody cares: Nokia Germany starts shipping preorders tomorrow, express first17:08
sjaensch_mgedmin: there seems to be a problem with the repositories right now, at least for me. maybe that is what pillar is seeing? check out
Ford_PrefectIt was weird - I got a 401 quoting an IP that wasn't mine17:08
sjaensch_mgedmin: I'm getting a 401 (not authorized)17:08
sjaensch_that used to work17:08
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StskeepsFord_Prefect: that's the mirror's17:08
mgedminah, *that* 40117:08
mgedminsorry, I misunderstood17:08
pillaryep that's what I'm getting as well17:08
tigertyea repos doen for me too17:08
tigert401, ditto17:09
Ford_PrefectHum, worked for me after a while17:09
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Ford_PrefectThink I might have logged off and logged back in17:09
pillarnow it worked for me17:09
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VDVsxjeremiah, ping17:10
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wazdok, I'm out to the nokia meetup17:15
Stskeepshave fun17:16
wazdStskeeps: I think it's gonna look like a tragedy for me :D17:16
Stskeepsdepends on who's there :P17:16
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wazdStskeeps: I really hope they invited some genuine maemo guy, not just some russian PR manager17:17
wazdStskeeps: that measures built-in memory in songs and DVD-quality movies :D17:17
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lardmanbmidgley: are you about?17:20
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Juznais it possible to use latin9 with xterm somehow?17:29
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zaheermVDVsx, thx for the bug report :)17:32
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VDVsxzaheerm, also the play/pause buttons seems a bit blurred, you're using stock icons right ?17:33
zaheermVDVsx, yep17:33
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zaheermVDVsx, i have experimental code here that changes the playing ui to be more like the media player one17:34
zaheermbut not all hooked up etc.17:34
VDVsxzaheerm, I've seen other apps in the same issue17:34
VDVsxmaybe a bug or maybe there some other way to use the icons17:34
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zaheermcould be17:35
VDVsxzaheerm, did you tried to increase the video size ? looks bad ?17:36
zaheermVDVsx, ?17:36
zaheermVDVsx, i just made it appear in the size of the widget, so yes it resizes but it should preserve aspect ratio17:37
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VDVsxzaheerm, forget, I tried with a video that has black bar on the sides, lol17:38
VDVsxzaheerm, another feature request, probably you've it implemented yet :p17:39
VDVsxthe controls should be add when you tape the screen17:39
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zaheermVDVsx, yes that is in my experimental code17:39
VDVsxS/should be/ should be hided /17:39
zaheermie full screen by default, video full screen, controls come over the video when screen is tapped and then after a timeout of inactivity they go away17:40
VDVsxzaheerm, exactly :)17:40
zaheermyep that i am working on17:40
zaheermmaybe something that could be given some thought in barcelona17:41
zaheermwith some ux guys to suggest what would work best17:41
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lcukzaheerm, pics17:44
zaheermlcuk, pics?17:44
lcukof your app and ui and stuff17:44
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zaheermwell the current released app you can install from extras-testing17:45
zaheermand play with it17:45
zaheermhere is package page:
zaheermthe experimental code is horribly broken currently :)17:45
lardmandoes it open YouTube videos?17:46
zaheermso can't really show pics of that17:46
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zaheermlardman, yep it is a youtube browser17:46
pupnik_did you see the fast forest scene using volumetric billboarding?17:46
lardmando you accept dbus requests?17:46
pupnik_sorry wrong paste17:46
zaheermlardman, no but i can add that in without much trouble i think17:47
lardmanjust that some barcodes can contain youtube://id data17:47
zaheermlardman, yah no worries, can do that pretty easily i think17:47
lardmanso was thinking what app should handle that17:47
lardmanok, no rush though, still other things to get sorted too :)17:48
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dmj726hehe, was just going to let you know that it's broken17:48
lardmanwhat's that?17:48
lardmanah, not me then17:50
zaheermdmj726, it is? :)17:50
* lardman goes back to work17:50
zaheermdmj726, what's broken in it?17:50
zaheermand are you using the latest version in extras-testing?17:50
dmj726it seems to get stuck loading the video17:51
dmj726yeah...latest version in it's either testing or devel17:51
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dmj726When I click to load a video it freezes17:52
zaheermdmj726, on n900 or scratchbox?17:52
dmj726I don't have an n900 yet17:52
VDVsxqwerty12, with your new app name we've the full set :P lol17:52
zaheermdmj726, if you run it with: /opt/zoutube/zoutube can you paste me the stdout in a pastebin17:53
qwerty12VDVsx: Blame thp :P17:53
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VDVsxModest Petrovich Mussorgsky lol17:53
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Juznan900 has only utf8 charsets compiled?17:54
nomisJuzna: what do you mean?17:55
Robot101non-utf8 is loss17:55
bilboed-piomg, no utf16 ! we're doooomed17:55
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Juznaid prefer latin9 currently17:56
bilboed-pimaemon not compatible with 1990's windows software17:56
Juznaor it would be nice have proper charset with ssh17:56
Ceron^thats why Juzna prefers windows mobile!17:56
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Robot101if your ssh is broken, its because your remote end is broken17:56
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Robot101it's 2009, unicode has been around for a looooong time17:56
Ceron^ use this on your maemo!17:57
Robot101phone your sysadmin and tell them to toughen up17:57
Juznayes but it aint a solution17:57
Robot101patch maemo-xterm to support other encodings then17:57
Robot101vte probably supports it17:57
benno2hi, I have a N810. does anyone know how I can set the speaker volume to maximum using a script ? thanks.17:57
Robot101you don't need the locale on your device to decode terminal output differently17:57
Robot101but really, where are you SSHing to? the 70s?17:58
Juznasweet 80s17:58
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pupnik_Enigma is a "perfect" marble game for N90017:58
Robot101don't you need an x3270 terminal emulator?17:58
Robot101you could be the first mainframe sysadmin from your N90017:58
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dmj726zaheerm: it was totally freezing up not 5 minutes ago.17:59
pupnik_we couldn run the ibm z-series emu on N90017:59
dmj726Perhaps the restart of scratchbox fixed it.17:59
pupnik_whats it called18:00
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zaheermdmj726, lol18:03
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zaheermdmj726, if you reproduce it let me know18:03
dmj726sorry to waste your time there!18:03
dmj726...yeah it might've been some weirdness between my bastardtube and your zoutube18:04
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dmj726...nope that's not it18:06 bastardtube is just zoutube with a bastardized gui18:07
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Stskeepsheya qole18:19
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qoleStskeeps, hey18:20
Stskeepshow's it going?18:20
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qoleheading off to work...18:21
Stskeepshehe :P i'm never really sure when i'm at work these days18:21
qoleon the bus, restoring my N900 from the full reflash I gave her last night...18:22
qoleI miss your style of job, working from home18:22
Stskeepsi like it occasionally but i don't get to use my n900 so much as a mobile device :P18:23
AdmiralUDcould anybody provide some pointers on where to look for APIs to access SMS information in maemo5 (n900)?18:23
Stskeepsqole: btw, weird idea i had.. it should technically be possible to grab open source .deb packages of diablo, drop them in a chroot, and have diablo chroot on fremantle P18:24
qoleI notice my battery level was significantly higher after reflash, so one of the things they've done is lowered the "Empty" level...18:24
Stskeepsthat's probably good :P18:24
qoleStskeeps, my experience is that you can't have two hildon desktops running simultaneously.18:25
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Stskeepswell, for apps, not HD itself18:25
Stskeepsthen again may be too much effort :P18:25
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qoleno, Diablo chroot works, but there isn't a huge need for it, except to save rootfs space...18:27
* Stskeeps nods18:27
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qolethat development chroot idea of yours was a big hit with qwerty12...18:28
Stskeepsyeah, someone else made it too didn't they?18:29
jeremiahVDVsx: pong18:29
VDVsxjeremiah, about the repos, but you perhaps are already taking care of this :918:30
qoleStskeeps, yes.18:30
lardmanjeremiah: hey18:30
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jeremiahVDVsx: Yeah, diablo packages not getting in?18:30
lardmanjeremiah: Any thoughts as to how to remove python as a runtime dep for zbar (is a build-time dep as it builds bindings)?18:31
VDVsxjeremiah, not fremantle ones are a bit broken these days18:31
StskeepsVDVsx: the 401 stuff is not jeremiah's fault i think :P18:31
qoleha, keyboard remapped! Fn-right = Tab18:31
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Stskeepsqole: how? :P18:31
VDVsxStskeeps, yeah, but I'm getting other errors in the last days18:31
* Stskeeps would like to move things on his kbd a bit 18:31
jeremiahVDVsx: What kind of errors are you getting?18:31
VDVsx-devel is most of the time with issues18:31
VDVsxsomething about a hash key18:32
VDVsxlet me check18:32
jeremiahhash key? Interesting.18:32
qolesee dev mailing list ... now all I have to do is, "xkbcomp qole.xkb :0" as root to get my custom mappings.18:32
qoleshould I find the post?18:33
Stskeepsso they actually do use xkb18:33
Stskeepsthat's nice18:33
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Stskeepsso, when is X-Fade back from vacation? :P18:34
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VDVsxjeremiah, works know :p18:35
jeremiahWell - I'll be taking a look at the repos later tonight18:35
qwerty12andre__: pcntuation iz optinal u no18:35
jeremiahI'll poke into the fremantle repos and logs to see if I can find something.18:36
andre__qwerty12, you're stalking me! ;-)18:36
jeremiahStskeeps: Heh, we all want to know18:36
jeremiahWhen does the X man return?18:36
qwerty12andre__: Look behind you, or rather... don't18:36
VDVsxjeremiah, I had a lot issues during the weekend :(18:36
* Stskeeps should register for qaiku18:36
jeremiahSince he has not documented his code very well, he is needed badly.18:36
jeremiahStskeeps: You're not on maemork?18:37
Stskeepsjeremiah: no, but i guess i should be :P18:37
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Stskeepsbeen doing reporting another place so :P18:37
andre__qwerty12: behind me I can only see my pool and my golf course. you invisible?!18:37
jeremiahThat is the thing - one ends up reporting in so many places18:38
jeremiahKind of frustrating.18:38
jeremiahBut I think maemork is semi-official and both Tero and Quim are there so . . .18:38
qolethank you all for reporting to the community.18:38
qwerty12andre__: Your golf course provides lots of places from which I can see you but you cannot see me18:38
andre__hmm. hmm, hmm. i should have built a way cheaper one.18:39
qoleand yes, Stskeeps, get on maemork18:39
Stskeepsqole: i am, suddenly realized something wasn't quite right :)18:39
derflardman: Should the Python bindings maybe be in a separate package?18:41
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benno2ais it possible in maemo 4 (n810) to autostart an application when the desktop comes up ?18:41
benno2aI need to start a shell script18:41
jeremiahqole: :) Thank you for saying thanks - it may seem like a small thing but it is nice to know that one does not go unnoticed.18:41
qwerty12jeremiah: Mmm, you know we all hate you, right?18:42
jeremiahWell, that I knew.18:42
jeremiahI just want ackowledgement of that. =D18:42
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qolejeremiah, I have my packages in "free" now, they are going through the autobuilder!18:45
* qole beams with pride18:45
jeremiahqole: You rock!18:46
jeremiahAnd you are haning out here!18:46
jeremiahqole == serious dev18:46
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VDVsxjeremiah, btw, I replied to your email about better doc for the infra, but the mail got stuck in the approval list of the maemo-work private list, dunno who's the admin :(18:47
jeremiahI will hunt that down - that kinda sucks18:48
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jeremiahI think the council needs to gently remind Nokia / Nemein / devs that the servers are really community property18:48
jeremiahAnd they need to be dealt with in a transparent matter18:49
jeremiahWhich means lots of documentation18:49
qolejeremiah, not a serious dev yet, but learning.... I can run git on my N900 too, push commits to garage and everything.18:49
AdmiralUDI am trying to read SMS messages in maemo 5 from code, am I on the right track with the telepathy APIs and the rich text interface?18:49
jeremiahqole: Actually, you're package is pretty complex18:50
jeremiahsorry, I meant your package is pretty complex18:50
VDVsxjeremiah, I've asked nemein guys & dneary & Tero, but no luck :P18:50
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jeremiahVDVsx: Okay - it should be ferenc who knows that bit, since he is being X-Fade while X-Fade is away18:51
VDVsxjeremiah, no is not18:51
VDVsxjeremiah, nop, was the first one that I poked :)18:52
jeremiahyeah, that is who I would have poked.18:52
jeremiahI can take a look, but generally X-Fade handles the mailing lists.18:53
jeremiahMaybe we need a listmaster too. :(18:53
andre__yes, as I still have not seen my posting from 5 weeks ago which was bigger than 40KB :-(18:53
jeremiahYeah, the lists have been kinda light lately18:56
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jeremiahAnd there has been some weird mail going out18:56
jeremiahSo someone who likes to look through mail logs might be useful right now.18:56
jeremiahGuess that is me for the time being. :)18:56
Klowner_bah, I should have pre-ordered at Nokia Chicago and just drove 3 hours to pick up the darned thing18:57
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SpeedEvil np: The Proclaimers - I would walk 500 miles.18:57
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TheInternetHello all!19:04
TheInternetI won a computer at work the other day (with no operating system on it)!19:06
TheInternetI installed ubuntu and thought I would give linux a try19:06
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qwerty12Man, everyone knows MS-DOS is the shit19:06
* VDVsx is also creating a qaiku account for maemork :)19:06
TheInternetI ran into the Maemo 5 SDK and decided to install it19:07
TheInternetnow, having never done anything in linux before19:07
Stskeepsthat's a strange turn of events, TheInternet19:07
TheInternetim completely lost19:07
KlownerTheInternet: if you've used osx extensively you're probably not too lost19:07
TheInternetMy main machines are Windows-based19:08
Klowneroh, well then, you're probably pretty lost19:08
TheInternet(work, play, etc.)19:08
jeremiahqwerty12: lulz19:08
kalikianaTheInternet, that's an odd way to learn linux, but an unusual idea, I like that :-)19:08
pupnik_linux 10119:08
jeremiahMS-DOS is the shit19:08
pupnik_welcome to the shell19:08
dmj726Don't worry, many of us were once Windows users.19:08
SpeedEvilI used it till about 1998.19:09
TheInternetbring me to the light19:09
SpeedEvilmaybe 99.19:09
Klownerheheh, 10 years ago, yea19:09
* qwerty12 is typing from an XP machine19:09
* jeremiah stares at qwerty12 19:09
dmj726TheInternet: Don't be afraid of the terminal (In windows it's the command line).19:09
pupnik_i quit windows after developing for sql server 6.x19:09
* jeremiah fires his eyeball lasers at qwerty12 19:09
qwerty12jeremiah: That stare... Man. */me hides*19:10
TheInternetanyone care to elaborate as far as installation goes19:10
kalikianadmj726, command line != terminal19:10
kalikianathe command line is inside the terminal ;)19:10
* jeremiah watches as qwerty12's XP machine goes up in smoke.19:10
KlownerTheInternet: you haven't installed ubuntu yet?19:10
pupnik_TheInternet: there is a sdk wiki and docs19:10
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TheInternetyeah i installed ubuntu19:10
pupnik_if something is unclear lets fix wiki19:10
* jeremiah presents qwerty12 with a brand new debian machine19:10
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dmj726They're analogous concepts linux "terminal" >> windows "command line"19:11
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dmj726TheInternet: What is causing you trouble?19:11
VDVsxdo you use any app to follow #maemork ? :)19:11
VDVsxjeremiah, ^19:12
* VDVsx is new to Qaiku :)19:12
TheInterneti am trying to install the sdk using the .py GUI installer19:12
kalikianadmj726, they're not. a terminal is just what's around the interpreter. think terminal *emulator* if that helps19:12
qwerty12VDVsx: Not #maemork, but I'd recommend the following: eyes, an internet browser, and the F5 button19:12
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* VDVsx kicks qwerty12's cat -> :P19:13
dmj726kalikkiana: Okay, I get that.  My point was that the from the new user perspective the going to the "terminal" is like going to the "command line" on windows19:13
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KlownerTheInternet: which instructions are you following?19:14
TheInternetthe ones at the wiki19:14
KlownerTheInternet:  is the one for maemo 5, or are you setting up maemo 4?19:15
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TheInternetwhat is scratchbox19:15
Klownerpart of the cross compiling stuff I think19:16
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TheInternetoh riht19:16
TheInternetit says it on the site you linked me to19:16
TheInternetthanks Klowner19:16
jeremiahVDVsx: You know, I have tried with several apps, but the best tool I think is an RSS reader19:16
TheInternetI'll give this a try and let you know whats up19:16
jeremiahSince Quaiku doesn't really work in Mauku from fremantle for some reason19:17
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jeremiahScratchbox is a development environment, part of the SDK for Maemo19:17
TheInternetgot it, thanks!19:17
TheInterneti'll be back later gentleman19:18
TheInternethopefully with a successful status update19:18
TheInternet(and more questions)19:18
jeremiahGood luck!19:18
KlownerI'm going through the instructions as well19:18
* Xisdibik sighs19:18
Xisdibikyet another day of rage against qwerty1219:18
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Klownerhrm, authorization required for
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qwerty12<soliloquy> They all hate me. *sniff* </soliloquy>19:19
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Klownerthe downloads fine, but the is returning a 40119:20
Klowneranyone around that has access to prod's innards?19:21
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kalikianaKlowner, I can open that file just fine. Is it just empty for you?19:23
Klownerit's giving me a 401 auth required response19:23
Klownernow it works..19:23
Stskeepsthere's an issue at the moment, Klowner19:24
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KlownerStskeeps: ah k, just so I'm not losing my mind.. it downloaded now just fine19:24
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Klowneralthough that's no proof I haven't already lost my mind19:25
* realitygaps is getting 401 Unauthorized [IP: 80] on sdk repository19:26
* lardman wills the 770 serving the pages to go a little faster19:28
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lardmananyone got a pointer to some dbus calls to send an email, off hand, while I wait for
Stskeepsqwerty12: ping19:31
qwerty12Stskeeps: Aye?19:31
Stskeepsqwerty12: what happens if only mbxaccess.ko is loaded? not omaplcd19:32
kalikianalardman, does hildon mime not do that?19:32
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kalikianaor maybe I'm remembering wrongly19:32
lardmankalikiana: I've not tried, but again was hoping to keep everything in memory rather than writing to disk19:32
lardmanthough in this case I may not need to I suppose19:32
qwerty12Stskeeps: No idea, my N810 is upstairs19:33
lardmanStskeeps: output-wise?19:33
qwerty12Think its battery is dead, actually19:33
kalikianalardman, you want to send one including the message body?19:33
lardmanor what the module actually does?19:33
kalikianaif it's just the address it should be fine19:33
lardmankalikiana: no, just open one a la mailto:19:33
qwerty12(/me finds libsharingdialog more fun...)19:33
lardmanah ha19:34
lardmanthanks qwerty1219:34
lardmanqwerty12: join us19:35
qwerty12Never! The Dark Side is not for me!19:35
kalikianawill the above work if you have different client?19:35
kalikianahardcoding modest seems ugly19:35
javispedrojoin us, and we can rule the galaxy, like father and son!19:35
lardmanin 3D19:35
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lardmanhmm, need to charge my N810 too19:39
_berto_I like how this thing records videos
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johannes1hi, is it possible to install maemo on an i386 PC?19:51
Flandryhi. Why?19:52
infobotmer is, like,, or on #mer19:53
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johannes1I want to use an itx via board and a touchscreen with maemo and mmpc19:54
johannes1shall I have a look at mer?19:54
Flandryyeah that's what you're looking for19:55
Flandrysounds fun :)19:55
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kalikianaHm... why does it feel like opening an app from console is faster than from an icon19:57
kalikianaOr maybe my perception is wrong19:57
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lcukkalikiana, you are right, opening "ls" from the command line is faster than clicking on its .desktop file. parsing it starting up a new console session, passing in parameters and running "ls"19:58
muep__I'd guess the amount of code that runs when you launch directly from a running shell is a lot smaller than that of pressing an icon19:58
kalikianalcuk, :P19:59
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lcuksome apps are started with dbus services when you click them dont they?20:00
lcukand if you run the binary it just runs20:00
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kalikianaeverything is started via dbus, that is fine. it just seemed the different was more than just dbus overhead20:01
kalikianabut I'm not sure anymore if I see the difference, it's hard to estimate20:01
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lcukwill need to check20:02
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kalikiana"I'm sciencing as fast as I can" ;)20:03
Flandrystart waving your hands then20:03
derfThat's mathematics.20:03
derfIt's not the same.20:03
* Flandry has lost faith in the academic science establishment, of which he is a small cog.20:03
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derfWhy did you ever have faith in it?20:04
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FlandryI'm an idealist i guess20:04
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aSIMULAtorgood evening.20:07
Flandrya SIMULAted good evening to you20:07
Stskeepsgood evening20:07
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lardmanis it possible to dial a telephone number programmatically?20:08
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kalikianalardman, yep, via dbus20:09
kalikianalet me look up the name20:09
kalikianadbus-send --type=method_call /com/nokia/CallUI string:"tel:0123456"20:09
wazdYou wouldn't beleive it20:09
lardmanis there a list somewhere?20:09
lardmanwunderbar, thanks20:10
wazdMy pal won n900 :)20:10
lcukif(alcohollevel>9000) call_holly_tell_her_im_stuck_in_office();20:10
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lardmannah, I'm walking to avoid becoming my name20:11
lardmanbut I have just read tel: is a valid "URI" in some barcodes, so I'm writing a handler20:11
VDVsxwazd, lol20:12
VDVsxyou're a lucky guy :p20:12
wazdI'm still dry20:12
qwerty12wazd: Congratulations!20:12
wazdqwerty12: no, not me,  my friend)20:13
lcukwazd :D you are n900 event!20:13
qwerty12wazd: I know; but I could not resist being a cunt20:13
Juznais there something wrong with the repositories?20:13
kalikianaDisappointing, hildon mime indeed doesn't know email20:13
lcukthat was quick it seems like only 1/2 hour ago you said you were goin20:13
KlownerI can't seem to hunt down any info on doing OpenGL ES stuff in the SDK, I'm wonderin' if I *need* a device to test that kind of stuff20:13
lcukwho was on and presenting and what did you seee?20:13
* lardman looks for some C code20:13
Juznamy n900 says all the time that sync failed because unauthorised access from some akamai proxy20:13
Stskeepswazd: kill him and steal his n900? :P20:14
Stskeepsor just knock him out and claim someone stole his n90020:14
VDVsxwazd, I think your dog/cat has more chances to won one, that you trough any possible loan/discount program :P20:14
qwerty12wazd: Make him drink a shitton of vodka, you do the same, take the N900, and blame it on the vodka if you get caught20:15
lcukthe nokians werent meant to give the n900 away in the first place lol, they also blamed it on the vodka :D20:15
lardmanuse a chainsaw20:15
* qwerty12 thinking of
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lardmanhmm, in dbus_message_new_method_call() how do I pass arguments?20:17
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lardmane.g. the tel:0000 stuff20:17
* javispedro thinks of sméagol vs déagol scene. my birthday preseeeeent!! my preciousssssssss n900!!!20:17
* lardman dislikes DBus docs20:18
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VDVsxlardman, humm ?20:22
lardmantrying to convert the dbus-send call above into C20:22
VDVsxmsg = dbus_message_new_method_call( args)20:22
lardmanyeah, but which is which?20:22
lardman        msg = dbus_message_new_method_call("", // target for the method call20:23
lardman         "/com/nokia/CallUI", // object to call on20:23
lardman         "", // interface to call on20:23
lardman         "string:\"tel:0123456\""); // method name20:23
VDVsxnormally: destination, obj_path, interface, .. (extra stuff)20:23
* lardman copies from here:
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VDVsxso what's the problem, that looks correct20:24
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VDVsxdunno about the interface and object name20:25
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lardmannot tried it yet20:26
VDVsxlardman, ah, you probably want to append the args to the message20:26
lardmanwas just a random guess at which bits to put where20:27
zaheermyou know if a phone call dbus message can be intercepted by an app20:27
zaheermwas pondering on writing an app that would suggest a number from
zaheermif someone called a 08* number20:27
zaheermbut ideally it'd be transparent20:28
lardmanshould probably hook into the phone app though, before they've dialled20:28
lardmanlet them choose to dial that one, etc20:28
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zaheermwell what i was thinking is if the phone app sends a dbus message to make the call, i could just add a ui on intercepting it to choose from number specified and a list from saynoto087020:30
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zaheermthough plugging into the phone app seems like a reasonable other option20:30
zaheermthird option, create a telepathy plugin like the skype one that could translate the number transparently so you can choose dial with saynoto0870 instead of cellular or skype20:31
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zaheermman too many ideas, too little time....20:31
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konttorilardman: how about starting dbus-monitor and make a call20:32
konttorithe you'll see that dbus call is made (and the params)20:32
Stskeepsanyone here who happen to have a OMAP2 non-N8x0 device?20:33
Stskeepswhich runs linux :P20:33
hrwlike old omap2-sdp?20:33
Stskeepsfor instance yeah20:33
Stskeeps2420 or 243020:33
suihkulokkiomap2 doesn't seen like hit SoC20:34
* kalikiana wonders if hildon_uri_open works20:34
* kalikiana goes to try it20:34
hrwStskeeps: ask on #beagle - there are some TI people20:34
suihkulokkiomap3 is much more popular20:35
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kalikianalardman, I think you want to try out hildon_uri_open20:37
kalikianaIt recognized mailto successfully20:38
kalikianaAnd it might just spare you a lot of code/ work20:38
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* GeneralAntilles heads out for the 5-hour drive.20:40
andre__garr. i sometimes wonder if people file duplicates by purpose20:40
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GeneralAntillesandre__, of course they do.20:41
GeneralAntillesThey're out to get you.20:41
fernando_now for something a little more meta: anyone has any tips in washing the little pouch that came with the N800?20:41
GeneralAntillesActually, it's probably Nokia hiring people to do it to make us less efficient. ;)20:41
qwerty12fernando_: Give it to the cat to lick20:41
GeneralAntillesfernando_, let it go through the wash in a pants pocket like I do whenever I forget to take it out about once every 6 months?20:41
VDVsxandre__, yes, because they know that you've a lot of spare time :P20:41
andre__GeneralAntilles, gnarf. I expected that. Truth is hard to bare :-/20:41
* VDVsx hides20:41
fernando_haha, I might do that20:42
javispedrolololololol more trolls in tmo20:42
lardmankonttori: yeah, good suggestion, though ideally I'd just like to line the call up and not make it20:42
lardmankalikiana: you reckon that will work?20:42
VDVsxjavispedro, good ones ?20:42
lardmankalikiana: no docs20:43
javispedrogood selection of thread titles indeed.20:43
VDVsxjavispedro, link please20:43
javispedrosee latest topics in tmo :)20:43
kalikianalardman, I'm testing. mailto works20:43
kalikianaAnd given that it would be nicer than having to write 100 lines of code...20:44
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kalikianaAnd avoid hardcoding apps20:44
VDVsxjavispedro, "yes it sucks" ?20:44
javispedroVDVsx: and "has Maemo always been so buggy" and the other one that has dropped off now20:44
lardmankalikiana: I quite agree, thanks20:45
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lardmankalikiana: does "tel:" work by chance....?20:46
kalikianalardman, I tried tel://, but let me try tel:, maybe it's different20:46
kalikianatel:// didn't work20:46
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, we need to pad out the response rates by posting some of our shillery. :P20:47
VDVsxjavispedro, wow, very good :p20:47
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VDVsxwow, he wants a bug-free software : "Seems there are some legitimate software issues which have been identified now that the device can be found in the wild."20:48
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lardmankalikiana: what's the backend? What decides on the handled MIME/uri types?20:48
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javispedrosoftware issues! omg!20:49
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kalikianaStupid me, my code is too smart. Tells me tel:123 is an invalid port number O_o20:49
Flandrywhat we need is a t.m.o. bot that spits out the same canned responses to these same complaints.20:50
lardmankalikiana: it's your code is it? libhildon-mime, or are you talking about the test code?20:50
Flandry~kill spammers20:50
* infobot shoots a charged pseudophoton gun at spammers20:50
javispedro"Thanks for your information. It has been forwarded to the appropiate person (Mr. Dev Null). Have a nice day."20:50
kalikianalardman, my test code. :-]20:50
lardmankalikiana: ok :)20:50
javispedro"P.S. In case you ever have a proper bug report, please redirect your complains to ."20:51
kalikianalardman, Confirmed, tel:123 shows me a dialpad with 12320:51
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javispedro(where they will be also forwarded to /dev/null but clients shouldn't know that)20:51
andre__javispedro, or ask them to come here and have a beer with me :-P20:52
pH5kalikiana: yay, that's what I wanted to know, too20:52
lardmankalikiana: great :)20:52
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kalikianalardman, I'm happy you led me to accidentally notice that unknown header file and try it out :D20:52
javispedroandre__: do you have a long standing tradition of killing bug reporters? just in case. it would be nice to annotate it somewhere to let customers know that ;)20:53
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lardmanlol :D20:53
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lardmankalikiana: was that using hildon_uri_get_default_action() or hildon_uri_get_default_action_by_uri()?20:55
andre__javispedro: you are invited to take a look at my graveyards in GNOME Bugzilla20:56
kalikianalardman, hildon_uri_open20:56
kalikianaand tel:// also works20:57
kalikiana(no idea if there is any difference)20:57
lardmando you not need the get_action stuff beforehand?20:57
* lardman works from here
kalikianaNope, simply return hildon_uri_open (uri, HILDON_URI_ACTION_NORMAL, error);20:57
lardmanah ok20:57
lardmanandre__: bug coming your way re hildonmime20:58
kalikianahm... I wonder what difference that action would make20:58
javispedro"I don't have the n900 yet, but I expect the n900 to do the same things I do on my n800 but better and faster." ah, hope you don't use handwriting much...20:58
kalikianaThe comment in the header just says something vague20:58
lcuki do and it does20:58
andre__lardman: but I already have two open libhildonmime tickets! there's more bugs?!20:59
lardmanyeah, needs some docs me thinks20:59
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lardmanandre__: are they related to no docs?20:59
andre__lardman, ?20:59
povbotBug 3890: Missing libhildonmime API documentation20:59
lardmanah ok20:59
* lardman goes to vote for that one if he's not done so already21:00
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andre__lardman, pinged internally last week. still no news :-/21:00
lardmanhmm, I've already voted too21:00
lardmanandre__: thanks21:00
lardmankalikiana: thanks too :)21:00
hrwtime for me21:01
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kalikianaYou're welcome, we're in the same boat :)21:01
convultedhey all: anyone having out of storage error messages in fremantle?21:01
* andre__ realizes that gtk-devel irc meeting and girlfriend appointment collide. hmm, tough, tough! :-P21:01
kalikianaHm... I could use a "silent" option for alarms21:01
kalikianaMy girlfriend is asleep21:02
lcukandre__, n900+xchat solves problem21:02
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lcukhey convulted \o21:02
derflcuk sure knows how to entertain a girl.21:02
* kalikiana pictures andre__ starting at the n900 while in a deep hug.21:02
Flandryconvulted: are you installing packages from extras-devel?21:02
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TomaszDaargh, so irritating, I have QStarDict working on the N900, but it doesn't detect dictionaries ;(21:02
andre__lcuk: thanks. if it does not work you'll pay for my divorce lawyer21:02
convultedlcuk: hoy21:03
VDVsxjavispedro, I'm always learning in this troll threads :) : " Jobsian trolls are mythical creatures, that supposedly feed on the tears of people waiting for their n900s." "21:03
lcukeasier to just buy her an n900 as well21:03
* lardman wonders about converting everything to use hildonmime21:03
Flandrylol what?21:03
lcukwe can develop a vibration sharing app21:03
infobotVDVsx meant: javispedro, I'm always learning in these troll threads :) : " Jobsian trolls are mythical creatures, that supposedly feed on the tears of people waiting for their n900s." "21:03
andre__she has one already21:03
lcukshake one device and have the other shake in harmony21:03
convultedFlandy: just one, my own and it's optified21:03
* lardman then thinks perhaps one thing at a time21:03
javispedroVDVsx: yet more dangers for those adventurers.... grues and now this.21:03
Flandryok, just going for the low-hanging fruit :P21:03
lcukconvulted, you dropped your big db somewhere you shouldnt?21:03
Flandrygrues? Is there Zork for Maemo?21:04
* javispedro can't stand neither tmo fanboys nor tmo trolls21:04
lardmansomething like docs21:04
lcukhas the outside world learnt of the n900 yet21:04
javispedrowhat's this outside world you speak of?21:04
convultedlcuk: db is tiny :P21:05
lcuki dunno, someone posted on tmo the other day21:05
kalikianalardman, good find!21:05
javispedrowow, aliens on tmo!21:05
lcukconvulted, it contains every single station along the london underground doesnt it21:05
lcukthats gotta be at least 20kb21:05
* lardman heads for some food21:05
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convultedi have gigs free21:05
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lcukdo df from the console21:05
convultedand can't download anything21:06
lcukand see how much you have properly21:06
* javispedro wonders what's so special about the screen "scrolling smoothly"21:06
convulteddf gives loads of free space21:06
lcukon all partitions?21:06
* lcuk is surprised21:06
convulteddo you want a paste?21:06
greenflyis there a way to trigger libevent from dbus, or the command line in general? the regular tools for that don't seem to be ported yet21:06
javispedroconvulted, why not, just in case. cause if it's something else: O.o21:07
lcukmight be an idea21:07
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lcukalso, check which version of flash you are on: settings/about product21:07
convultedrootfs                  233224    173784     55160  76% /nubi0:rootfs             233224    173784     55160  76% /ntmpfs                     1024       112       912  11% /tmpntmpfs                      256        80       176  31% /var/runnnone                     10240        72     10168   1% /devntmpfs                    65536         4     65532   0% /dev/shmn/dev/mmcblk0p2         2064208     46980   1912372   2% /h21:07
* lcuk coughs up a url21:07
convultedyeah. sec21:08
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lcukconvulted, whilst you are i nthe console give it an apt-get update too21:09
lcukextras devel and testing have been a bit flaky21:09
javispedroin a few hours every tmo user will be in a single thread.21:09
convultedyeah i noticed... it was working a few mins ago21:09
lcukjavispedro, unity?21:10
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lcukwhich one21:10
lcukconvulted, i wonder if apt is stuck trying to install something and app man isnt telling you21:10
convultedlcuk: devel seems to have stopped working...21:10
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lcukmight explain why you cant install anything21:11
javispedrounity through fanboyism. fanboyism through trollism. trollismm through faith.21:11
convultedah, but i get the error when i download things in the browser :)21:11
lcukthread link if you want us in there21:11
convultedor try and add a ringtone21:11
lcukstress test21:11
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convultedlcuk or anyone: any thoughts?21:15
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lcukconvulted, are you by chance plugged into usb21:15
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lcukand you werent before21:15
lcukie has your MyDocs been taken for evil desktop computer21:15
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convultedlol no pcs in sight21:16
convultedi'm charging...21:16
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lcukconvulted, i ask because sometimes i go to get at photos and to save files and things and realist my usb has taken my partition away to show it to windows21:17
lcukjust a thought21:17
convultedyeah happens very often over here too21:17
convultedyeah happens very often over here too21:17
convultedi'm baffled by this...21:18
convultedwent to save a pdf this morning and saw that error21:18
convultedthen i tried changing ringtone to an mp3 that is already in MyDocs and got the same error21:18
convultedhmmm... confused...21:19
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lcukconvulted, im not a console wondergod, but go and check if everything is writeable21:20
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convultedno problems there21:23
convultedi can write files there21:23
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lcukconvulted, are you root21:23
serenityhow can i update my sdk in scratchbox?21:23
convultedruined too many boxes :D21:24
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lcukhow bizarre21:24
convultedit is isn't it?21:24
convultedwonder if i should reboot21:25
serenityor must i installed it from scratch to get the newest version?21:25
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convultedbe back in a few mins21:25
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convultedstill can't add a ringtone that's on the device21:29
convultedi'm guessing no one else had this problem21:30
convultedand i dunno how to debug it21:30
javispedroI STILL can't understand why "smooth scrolling" is such an important feature.21:31
greenflyjavispedro: it gives the impression that the device has ample resources21:31
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greenflyif scrolling stutters, it gives the impression that the CPU can't keep up21:31
greenfly(or possibly GPU)21:31
javispedroyour computer is most probably "stuttering" all day.21:32
convulted_greenfly: is that referring to my prob?21:32
serenityon a pre scrolling is nasty21:32
greenflyconvulted_: I was replying to javispedro's question of why some people might want smooth scrolling21:33
convulted_ah whoos sorry... closed window by mistake21:33
convulted_so i got confused21:33
greenflyjavispedro: it's not a killer feature for me, just playing devil's advocate21:33
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greenflyjavispedro: if any other comparable device does have feature X, and the n900 doesn't, there will likely be a comparison made21:33
javispedrocouldn't they say "battery life sucks" or something more reasonable,but no, they have to say "scrolling stutters".21:34
greenflyscrolling seems to be pretty smooth for me for most things21:34
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* javispedro wonders what kind of world is this one..21:34
Flandrynot in a post-apociphone world21:34
serenityhow can i update my sdk in scratchbox?21:34
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greenflyI'm doing a battery life test today where I kept the IM offline21:35
javispedroserenity: apt-get update21:35
javispedro&& upgrade21:35
greenflyso far it has made a dramatic change21:35
serenityah, ok21:35
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javispedroIM online/offline shouldn't do a dramatic change.21:35
javispedroWi-Fi might.21:35
serenityserenity@mangolassi:~$ apt-get update21:36
greenflyjavispedro: agreed, but anecdotally, it seems to21:36
serenityE: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.21:36
javispedroserenity: then, aim for reinstall instead of upgrade.21:36
greenflyjavispedro: I suppose my next test will be to enable it but only one IM network at a time21:36
convulted_i give up. if anyone knows why i'm getting senseless device storage full messages, let me know :)21:36
greenflyit's possible one polls more than the others21:36
greenflyconvulted_: what does df -i say?21:36
greenflyif you stored a large amount of files on the file system you could have run out of inodes even though you didn't run out of space21:37
convulted_df -i says invalid option :)21:37
crashanddie_I highly doubt inodes is an issue21:38
greenflyyeah, you'd have to have millions of files on there21:38
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crashanddie_convulted_, do you use apt-get a lot?21:38
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Flandrywhat *does* df output on N900?21:38
convulted_apt-get update a couple of times21:39
crashanddie_convulted_, apt-get doesn't remove the .deb it downloads21:39
paroneayeatilt sensor on my phone broke21:39
crashanddie_paroneayea, have you tried turning it off and on again?21:39
convulted_crashanddie_: true, but i have lolads of free space21:39
paroneayeacrashanddie_: I did, I will try again however.21:39
convulted_downloading manually is ok21:40
crashanddie_convulted_, how about we start over and you give us a real error message?21:40
crashanddie_convulted_, my balls ain't made out of crystal21:40
crashanddie_well, mine or anyone's, I would hope21:40
Flandryspeak for yourself21:40
convulted_mine are :P21:40
* Flandry is a silicon-based life form21:40
crashanddie_Flandry, you're hoping to have crystal balls?21:40
convulted_i have an mp3 on the device21:41
FlandryYou may call me Cristobal21:41
convulted_and tried to add it as a ringtone21:41
paroneayeais there something I can try reading in /dev/ to see if any information is coming out?21:41
convulted_and i got a "device storage full error"21:42
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convulted_and i still have gigs free here21:42
crashanddie_paroneayea, everytime you open it, it will give you one readout21:42
crashanddie_convulted_, there are two separate partitions21:43
crashanddie_convulted_, could you pastebin the output of df -h?21:43
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
paroneayeacrashanddie_: thanks, I will try reading that21:43
crashanddie_ok, I'm on fire, who else has a problem?21:44
toggles_wcrashanddie_: the tilt sensor in my n810 has stopped working21:45
crashanddie_toggles_w, that's because there isn't one ;)21:45
crashanddie_convulted_, good, at least you didn't run out of space21:45
toggles_wdamn, you are good21:45
qwerty12_N900toggles_w: What does /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord say?21:45
Jaffacrashanddie_: did you see my description of the MWN UI tooling, btw?21:45
crashanddie_Jaffa, I'm afraid I didn't, link?21:45
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crashanddie_convulted_, where do you add it as ringtone (/me shamefully realises he never actually used the device as a phone)21:46
convulted_in the phone settings21:47
convulted_umm... settings then phone21:47
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crashanddie_shite, you need cellular to be able to access that21:47
infobotJaffa meant: crashanddie_:
Juznais there nokia base repo available somewhere?21:48
paroneayeacrashanddie_: Flandry: well, I restarted, tried running cat on that file, and it gave output21:48
crashanddie_Jaffa, cool21:48
paroneayeaI tried bounce again, it works, but seems off21:48
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Flandryoh good21:48
crashanddie_Juzna, base repo?21:48
Juznaif i break some root packages21:48
paroneayealike, the calibration of it seems off21:49
convulted_Jaffa: that confused me :)21:49
paroneayeaif I hold it level the ball flies forward very quickly21:49
crashanddie_paroneayea, try the "attitude" application21:49
paroneayeawasn't doing that before21:49
Juznaex. where i could get posix-locales ;)21:49
paroneayeacrashanddie_: ok, trying21:49
crashanddie_Jaffa, see, I'm even advertising your apps ;)21:49
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* Flandry watches plasma go down in flames again after Quassel notifications21:50
fernando_how much do the cool kids set their swap file on a N800?21:50
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Flandry~seen coolkids21:51
infoboti haven't seen 'coolkids', Flandry21:51
crashanddie_Juzna, don't think there is one publicly available21:51
* convulted_ gives up again. thanks for your help guys, but this error message seems to originate for no reason21:51
crashanddie_Juzna, however, as long as you have in your repo list (aka, the official nokia repos), you should be fine21:51
crashanddie_convulted_, hang on21:52
paroneayeacrashanddie_: got it running.  When holding it level, what should I see?21:52
convulted_crashanddie_: :D21:52
crashanddie_paroneayea, when holding it like you would a camera, you should see a horizon line21:52
crashanddie_convulted_, give me a few minutes to chuck a sim card in there21:52
* crashanddie_ is trying to eat at the same time as well, not necessarily the easiest scenario21:53
Jaffaparoneayea: And ~0 deg21:53
paroneayeacrashanddie_: that seems to happen until it eventually crashes and becomes unresponsive :)21:54
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Juznakjeh :D21:54
Juznai made to mess locales21:54
paroneayeaor, stops moving21:54
paroneayeanot sure if it is a crash or if input is being cut off21:54
Jaffaparoneayea: It shouldn't move if the device isn't moving21:54
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crashanddie_paroneayea, the app isn't necessarily tuned for speed21:54
Jaffaparoneayea: It's like a spirit level (and yes, I need to make it more responsive)21:54
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crashanddie_it's a shame the n900 doesn't have a digital compass though21:56
Flandryit is21:57
paroneayeaJaffa: well I mean, eventually I am no longer able to move it at all, even when moving the camera21:57
qwerty12_N900convulted_: You trying to set a ringtone? If so, in /home/user/.profiled/custom.ini would be the manual way of doing it21:57
paroneayeaI seem to be able to complete a level in bounce, and that is a good sign that things are better than they were before (not working at all) :)21:57
convulted_querty12_N900: the point is that i keep getting out of storage error messages (i am happy with my ringtone :)21:58
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paroneayeathank you for your help Jaffa  and crashanddie_, you two are awesome ;)22:00
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crashanddie_Jaffa is awesome, I'm not22:00
crashanddie_Well, actually, I am awesome... with the ladies22:00
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crashanddie_paroneayea, are you getting the error somewhere else?22:01
crashanddie_paroneayea, I go into settings > phone, and can't change the ringtone though...22:02
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crashanddie_paroneayea, as in, there's no option for that... you sure it's there?22:03
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convulted_crashanddie_: lemme check22:03
paroneayeacrashanddie_: are you meaning to talk to convulted_ ?22:03
crashanddie_paroneayea, I am indeed22:04
convulted_sorry settings and then profile22:04
convulted_my bad :)22:04
Juznaany ideas how i could fix my locales22:04
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Juznatried to compile wrong locales and now device is quite fucked :D22:04
jeremiahJuzna: Did you go through the regular language and region settings?22:04
Juznalocale-gen ;)22:04
jeremiahJuzna: Feel like setting the device back to factory defaults?22:05
Juznashould it fix whole operating system?22:05
jeremiahWell, that is an option, but I suppose there are other ways.22:05
crashanddie_Jaffa, I like the idea... I could see, for example, a window on the left, taking most of the screen, which would display all the posts for a specific source (chosen at the top of the screen)22:05
jeremiahJuzna: It would restore the entire device back to its original state22:05
Juznai would love that deb22:05
jeremiahI think that is available through the GUI interface in preferences22:06
lcukhyrfrhfhhthrehfurofifufhjufyrhyeytrtetc trw6w6ds6 6s65s6w6s6t22:06
jeremiahumm, lcuk22:06
penguinbaitwhat he said22:06
convulted_lcuk: i agree22:06
qwerty12_N900The aliens are invading22:06
jeremiahIs your cat talking?22:06
crashanddie_qwerty12_N900, nope, that's just the northerner accent without the nice filter22:06
fernando_ haha22:06
qwerty12_N900crashanddie_: Ah, makes sense22:07
crashanddie_Jaffa, each post would have it's own specific little box, with in short the author, summary of the text. Hovering over a post would display it in a bigger screen.22:07
penguinbaitnorth or south, your all a bunch of silly wankers ;P22:07
crashanddie_Jaffa, on the right, a bar which would contain "selected" posts. A post is selected by dragging or double clicking on it22:07
penguinbaitno you are22:08
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penguinbaitmmmmmmmm, roasted penguin22:09
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penguinbaitneeds garlic22:09
jeremiahwell hello thar22:09
Chikuwhat will be the after N900 ?22:09
crashanddie_Chiku, n90122:09
crashanddie_Chiku, actually, probably n920, we have a picture of it somewhere22:09
penguinbait920 was hoax22:09
crashanddie_Jaffa, another page would then show all the selected posts, allow you to organize them, and add the leading/leaving text22:09
crashanddie_penguinbait, no, we saw it in London22:09
crashanddie_I took a picture of it22:09
pillarhmm, how can I change xterm to understand utf-822:09
Juznadidnt help22:09
crashanddie_hang on, let me dig it up22:10
Chikucrashanddie_, what about spec? just few changes?22:10
Juznaany way of recompiling those locales?22:10
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crashanddie_Chiku & penguinbait:
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qwerty12_N900crashanddie_: That's effin' awesome22:11
ChikuI want this one22:11
* qwerty12_N900 throws his N900 out the window22:11
crashanddie_I think Nokia pushed the "retro" idea a bit too far though22:11
Chikuoh wait My grand perents got the same one, I will ask to give one22:11
penguinbait<----- runs under qwerty12's window22:11
penguinbaitbah, missed22:11
qwerty12_N900penguinbait: Sorry, we don't want wankers from MI22:12
penguinbaitNo No, we are stupid americans22:12
penguinbaityou are the wanker22:12
penguinbaitor tosser if you prefer22:12
* convulted_ is offl to eat. might flash new firmware to get rid of the message... kinda annoying tho. thanks for the ideas22:12
penguinbait<------ in Michigan22:12
crashanddie_penguinbait, you live in the same state as lovely MIT? How the fuck could a place that spawned a university that brilliant produce an individual so stupid?22:13
crashanddie_Oh well, law of averages, I guess22:13
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crashanddie_in other words: stop flaming22:13
Flandry"Michigan Instititue of Technology" is it?22:14
penguinbaitMIT is not in Michigan stupid?22:14
paroneayeathat's over ssh though22:14
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crashanddie_oh, my bad22:14
Flandrydunno wtf i'm living in Cambridge then...22:14
penguinbaitMassachusetts Institute of Technology ;p22:14
crashanddie_Flandry, they have oxford there, right?22:14
Flandryother Cambridge :P22:15
crashanddie_Flandry, duke then?22:15
penguinbaitSorry, was only joking, use to listening to qwerty12's cheeky a5522:15
crashanddie_penguinbait, yeah well, can't blame you for that, everyone wants to hit him22:15
crashanddie_penguinbait, should've seen the kid when I arrived, I put my hand forward to shake his, he jumped away22:16
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FlandryBU BC Harvard MIT Wellesley Brandeis etc but no, no Duke22:16
jeremiahHarvard and MIT are on the same street! :P22:17
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Flandryyeah. Well, cowpath.22:17
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crashanddie_sod it, universities are useless anyway, as lardman|afk knows22:18
Flandryyeah, that's pretty much my conclusion22:18
qwerty12_N900Ooh, do they have nerd fights? "I know Pi to a million places. Can you beat that?"22:19
crashanddie_my boss is a prick22:19
crashanddie_I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows the last 3 numbers of pi22:19
infobotcrashanddie_ meant: I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows the last 3 digits of pi22:19
fernando_where does tear saves bookmarks?22:20
crashanddie_[drumroll] in the bookmark menu22:20
qwerty12_N900fernando_: /home/user/.tear/tear.db22:20
fernando_and :P @ crashanddie_22:20
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wazd_they gave me a t-shirt22:25
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wazd_tee. shirt.22:25
* Xisdibik tries to ignore qwerty12's full name when it appears on the channel22:25
qwerty12_N900"I wanted the N900, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt"22:25
wazd_qwerty12_N900: nono22:26
wazd_qwerty12_N900: 14 apps = 1 t-shirt22:26
qwerty12_N900Ah. Shit22:26
wazd_now I'm gonna to drink as much alcohol as I need to forget all of this22:27
fernando_sqlite? I can handle this22:27
fernando_also hahaha22:27
fernando_oh nokia22:27
fernando_is it at least the laser penguin shirt? that one is prett awesome :P22:28
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wazd_fernando_: no22:28
crashanddie_qwerty12_N900, tell that to anidel22:28
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crashanddie_qwerty12_N900, his girlfriend got drawn on the N900 giveaway in London22:29
crashanddie_qwerty12_N900, but she wasn't there, so they had to redraw22:29
qwerty12_N900crashanddie_: Meh, he's got a loaner22:29
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crashanddie_there's a picture of that very moment, where he looks at me like he's going to die22:29
wazd_my friend won an n900 today :D22:29
fernando_ooh, I like how tear stores stuff, neat22:29
MilhouseFor some reason I remembered this video as I was thinking about the DDP... :)22:30
qwerty12_N900wazd_: Killed him yet?22:30
kynkyhow he win ?22:30
wazd_and the funniest fact that he wasn't even registered, he took a badge of another guy that didn't come22:30
fernando_meet ups?22:30
wazd_fernando_: yes22:30
wazd_qwerty12_N900: no, it isn't a matter of the device22:31
* kynky got shipping email today :)22:31
qwerty12_N900wazd_: Ah, you hate him either way and plan on killing him anyway?22:31
wazd_qwerty12_N900: it's a matter of "14 apps = 1 t-shirt"22:31
wazd_I'm not sure if I hate someone right now22:32
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Milhousewazd_: good luck to him, lets hope he spreads the good word :)22:33
wazd_Btw, as I predicted, there was some dumb PR guy instead of real maemo people22:33
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Jaffacrashanddie_: Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was thinking. Might try and do a mockup.22:33
Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: yes, yes i plan to kill him22:33
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wazd_Milhouse: yeah, he's not the worst candidate to get it22:33
* Xisdibik sharpens his Dagger of qwerty12_N900 bane +522:33
Milhousewazd_: sounds just like the london meet up22:33
Milhousewazd_: no techies, no programme managers - just marketing types22:34
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AndrewFBlackHey you guys remember when t.m.o was fun to ready?22:34
qwerty12_N900Xisdibik: You can have my N800; just ignore that it has an '8' instead of a '9'22:34
wazd_Milhouse: fortunately, there was a guy from nokia whom I met in SPB, lot's of interesting discussions22:35
wazd_like maemo 6 and multitouch :)22:35
Jaffacrashanddie_: Or, after you've dragged a post from the palette on the right; it becomes click to enrich a la
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crashanddie_Jaffa, nice22:37
Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: for free?22:37
AndrewFBlackI wonder if Reggie can make it so we can Filter Posts by people with less then 100 Posts lol22:37
crashanddie_I offered a guy to come and pick up my n810 for free at my office22:37
crashanddie_he didn't come22:37
qwerty12_N900Xisdibik: For a deposit of blood and your right eye22:37
Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: make it my left eye and u got a deal22:38
crashanddie_AndrewFBlack, then you wouldn't see my posts ;)22:38
crashanddie_AndrewFBlack, plus, look at zerojay, he's got well over a 100 posts, but still talks a lot of crap :)22:38
qwerty12_N900AndrewFBlack: I like that idea already22:38
qwerty12_N900Xisdibik: For that, both eyes22:38
AndrewFBlackYeahI guess post count really donesn't matter how about anyone who is an idiot22:39
crashanddie_it just means you talk a lot22:39
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Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: no dice,   my left eye is magical though, it can see lies22:39
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paroneayeacrashanddie_: might I ask you if you know where I can read debugging info from the gps?22:39
paroneayeatrying ot figure out if it's working, running the maps app doesn't give a position even after standing outside for a bit22:40
paroneayeatrying *to22:40
qwerty12_N900Xisdibik: Damn22:40
AndrewFBlackI kinda got offened been people started Giving Dan in USA Crap22:40
crashanddie_paroneayea, you should be able to run gpsd in debug mode22:40
wazd_funny fact22:40
wazd_every demo device had foreca installed22:40
paroneayeacrashanddie_: aha, cool, thanks :)22:40
wazd_every owned device had OMW :D22:41
qwerty12_N900wazd_: The firmware from tablets-dev has an Foreca installer installed, but not Foreca itself22:41
konttoridoes transmission support DHT, PEX or magnet links?22:42
wazd_qwerty12_N900: no, I mean on the desktop22:42
Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: my right eye you dont want though22:42
Xisdibikqwerty12_N900: it sees truth, pureness, and good.  it has never seen a single thing :D22:42
crashanddie_Xisdibik, he's going to eat it with bacon and cheese, do you seriously think he gives a fack about what it's seen?22:43
Chikuopenoffice on n900?22:43
qwerty12_N900I am?22:43
crashanddie_Chiku, please, no22:43
qwerty12_N900Xisdibik: Right eye or nothing22:44
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Xisdibikcrashanddie_: my eye is uneatable. :D22:45
Xisdibikbut bacon and cheese. mmmmm22:45
crashanddie_inedible would be the word you're looking for22:45
Xisdibiknope, i wanted to say uneatable.  just like i love the incorrect word UNPOSSIBLE :D22:45
crashanddie_no word is incorrect22:46
paroneayeacrashanddie_: excellent, thx22:46
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Xisdibikwazd_: is that yours?22:46
wazd_Xisdibik: yes, all of them22:46
qwerty12_N900wazd_: Did the iPhone owner get shot with an AK-47?22:46
Xisdibikdiaf :P22:46
wazd_Xisdibik: that's actually stuff from my left pocket only22:47
Ceron^wazd_: can you give me one of those n900 <322:47
andre__qwerty12_N900, errrr which one?22:47
wazd_qwerty12_N900: no, cause he hates it :D22:47
* andre__ confused and lost in all those communication channels22:47
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wazd_quality is godawful cause my sister used camera before and I was too upset to re-set it22:48
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qwerty12_N900andre__: The owner of the iPhone featured in wazd's picture :p22:48
qwerty12_N900wazd_: Good choice :p22:48
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wazd_Ceron^: one is RST38h's and other is the winner's :)22:48
konttoriah, I found the magnet support ticked in transmission:
Ceron^wazd_: what winners?22:49
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wazd_Ceron^: my friend won n900 at the meet-up22:49
andre__qwerty12_N900, hmm. let's try to find out who he is. there's a sushi advertisement on his desk!22:49
paroneayeacrashanddie_: sorry to pester again, but should gpsd be bundled on the phone by default?  It doesn't appear to be22:49
Ceron^wazd_: :( i want one22:49
paroneayearunning "ps auwwwx | grep gps" yields nothing22:49
andre__(and antisushi. interesting term.)22:49
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qwerty12_N900andre__: You stalker, you22:50
konttorilooks like magnet support is going to come pretty soon, as the patch is actively worked on and seems to be almost complete from technical pov22:50
lcukwazd_, is your friend an existing maemo developer?22:50
lcukor are you well pissed that an outsider got it22:50
wazd_lcuk: he's a techie guy22:50
wazd_lcuk: and a developer anyway :)22:50
wazd_lcuk: e97 is his22:50
lcuksay hi to RST38h for us22:50
lcukor have you left now22:50
andre__so, the guy asking in if his favorite porn video website works on the N900 - who wants to answer him? is it only me testing this for him, now watching things and practices that I never ever wanted to see?22:50
wazd_lcuk: we're all at home now :)22:51
qwerty12_N900andre__: link, please22:51
Stskeepsandre__: pink pages?22:51
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wazd_#maemo is featured in this shot too btw :D22:51
lcukwhy oh why did that photo have to be polluted by iCrap22:51
qwerty12_N900andre__: Ask the GF to test it, you being on the team and all22:51
wazd_if you'll look carefully at my n800's screen22:52
lcukits like putting a ford fiesta down at a ferrari convention22:52
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qwerty12_N900wazd_: Wrong client =)22:52
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wazd_qwerty12_N900: x-chat stopped working for me somehow22:53
wazd_qwerty12_N900: it just doesn't start22:53
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wazd_qwerty12_N900: and I'm too lazy to reflash22:53
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wazd_lcuk: I'm pissed casue I got nothing22:54
lcukyou got to take part!22:54
wazd_lcuk: why shoud I be pissed at the people who just won22:54
wazd_I got nothing, then I got nothing, and after that I got nothing22:55
wazd_that's all that is humilating22:55
lcukbut you were 1 friend away from an n90022:55
lcukqwerty is right22:55
lcukgo with the sneak vodka attack22:55
wazd_lcuk: it's NOT a matter of actually having n900 at all cost22:56
wazd_lcuk: I'm fine without it22:56
derfIt's about respect.22:56
lcukwazd that sounds like the sorta talk a person with a crateful at home would say :D22:57 to the AKs22:57
wazd_I'm actually quite happy for my friend, never seen anyone fammiliar winning in a lottery before22:57
paroneayealooking through `ps auwwwx` it doesn't look like *anything* gps related is running.  Likewise, running `find / -name '*gps*'` does not seem to yield anything that looks like it would be a program for running the gps?22:57
paroneayeamaybe I am wrong in assuming it would be named "gps" something? :)22:58
crashanddie_paroneayea, gpsd only runs when you have an app that uses the gps running, IIRC22:58
crashanddie_paroneayea, however, this was on the n810, never checked it out on the n90022:58
wazd_oh yeah, and Nokia Maps ABSOLUTELY SUCK BALLS22:58
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qwerty12_N900konttori: Transmission still has its problems, so I'm hesitant to hit the promote button22:59
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wazd_I mean, you should be a tallented guy to make an app that slow on such powerful hardware22:59
paroneayeacrashanddie_: started up nokia maps, ran `ps auwwwx | grep gps`, still yields nothing23:00
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paroneayeaI am starting to suspect that gpsd is not bundled on here23:00
paroneayeawhich would be odd.23:00
Stskeepsthere's gypsy on n90023:01
Stskeepsnot gpsd23:01
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Stskeepswazd_: yes, ovi maps sucks23:01
paroneayeaStskeeps: aha!23:02
paroneayeathanks :)23:02
andre__night everybody :)23:02
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: fwiw23:03
timeless_mbpin many cases, the problem isn't ovi maps23:03
timeless_mbpit's ovi maps' data :)23:03
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timeless_mbp(a guy from maps came to visit)23:03
wazd_Stskeeps: I can't even imagine why is it so slow23:03
crashanddie_wazd_, html23:03
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: interaction is bizarre. maps are fine23:04
suihkulokkiehm. s60 maps is just fine with same data.23:04
Jaffatimeless_mbp: Did you ask him where Detroit is?23:04
timeless_mbpwrite up your problems23:04
crashanddie_if it's any consolation, by the looks of it, Ovi Maps on the N900 is a good approximation of how WebOS is going to suck23:04
timeless_mbpfwiw, he even knows that Maine isn't just north of Florida!23:04
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timeless_mbpcrashanddie_: webos shouldn't suck23:05
timeless_mbpunless they hired nokians to write pieces of it23:05
crashanddie_timeless_mbp, it will as much as jenna jameson23:05
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JaffaThe tech behind WebOS might not suck, but the screenshots I've seen have a really crap, cluttered UI23:05
RST38hmoo all23:07
timeless_mbpJaffa: urls?23:07
paroneayeaStskeeps: so that's interesting, gypsy seems to work but I had to start it manually23:08
paroneayeastarting up maps didn't start it23:08
paroneayeaor, it seems to be "searching" :)23:08
paroneayeait still hasn't found me.23:08
wazd_ùðá Ø öôû öêùòï23:08
wazd_oh, I was wrong23:08
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Dantonicwtf! amazon price went back up!23:08
wazd_it's actually a t-shirt with penguins23:08
wazd_and lazers23:09
crashanddie_timeless_mbp, check out the app bar on the top23:09
qwerty12_N900Why does, to me, mobilewhack sound wrong?23:09
Stskeepsmobile pink?23:09
crashanddie_qwerty12_N900, I think it's illegal to masturbate in a taxi23:10
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qwerty12_N900Damn, no ogc there, then23:11
timeless_mbpcrashanddie_: so the lightning bolt is a bit too close to the screen edge for my taste23:11
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timeless_mbpbut it's very clean23:11
crashanddie_timeless_mbp, it's stupid23:11
crashanddie_timeless_mbp, check out some videos23:11
timeless_mbpit reminds me of diablo23:11
crashanddie_timeless_mbp, they try to invent new gestures, like having an arrow on the left hand of the screen to go back in a menu, completely disabling that area23:11
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Jaffatimeless_mbp: and
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crashanddie_the screen is so sensitive that you cancel your stuff very quickly and stuff23:12
hotaru2k3hmmm... i found a site supposedly selling the n900 for $250... think it's legit?23:12
Arkenoihotaru: i doubt23:12
timeless_mbpJaffa: all things considered, i like that calendar view better than ours23:12
timeless_mbpa lot better actually23:12
crashanddie_hotaru2k3, sure, they buy it from Nokia at $580 and sell it for $250, what's not legit?23:12
Arkenoihere in russia n900 is $1k, looks quite crazy23:13
timeless_mbpJaffa: that shows me which parts of my day is busy23:13
crashanddie_Jaffa, damn you for posting the same URL twice23:13
Jaffatimeless_mbp: Bits of it seem a bit overdone; but I can't find any examples right now23:13
timeless_mbpinstead of just having random lines23:13
jaska$500 in corruption fees?23:13
timeless_mbpi like the way they collapsed time on the right too23:13
Jaffacrashanddie_: Ah, I thought it was two separate images23:13
lcukpillar, talk in here about your n900!23:13
paroneayeait works! :)23:14
paroneayeaI had to start gypsy-daemon manually, but now it works :)23:14
lcuktalk everywhere about it :D glad you are liking it23:14
paroneayea/usr/libexec/gypsy-daemon --no-daemon23:14
mzzin I don't understand why most things are right-to-left23:14
timeless_mbpArkenoi: the european list price is roughly 750USD23:14
timeless_mbpso seeing it for 1000USD in russia wouldn't shock me23:14
Ceron^mzz: in china you read from right to left23:14
mzzCeron^: yes, but this is english23:14
* Jaffa beds23:15
timeless_mbpJaffa: so.... Clear 56F / F | 13C / C23:15
mzzit can't be chinese, I can read it23:15
timeless_mbpany idea why it has 2 Fs and 2 Cs ?23:15
konttoriqwerty12_N900: ah, I have been just enjoying so much that I would gladly see it show up in random users catalogues as well23:15
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qwerty12_N900konttori: Ah, well, glad to hear it :)23:17
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n6pfkAre there any video chat apps for the N810?23:19
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fernando_should tear.db have a specific owner? ...wait nvm I think I just have it owned by root23:21
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wazd_timeless_mbp: we have a fair 600 euros price23:22
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krfkeithjust got my new N900!23:24
Stskeepscool, welcome to the crowd :)23:24
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krfkeithStskeeps: thanks!23:24
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krfkeithhowever, for some reason everytime I try to use one of the emulators I got from, the program crashes23:24
denkywhat's up with the maemo repos? I'm getting 401's both in the n900 aswell as in scrachbox.23:25
crashanddie_denky, could they be down?23:25
Stskeepsdenky: there's reported issues with them23:25
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krfkeithdenky: I've been using them fine atm23:25
Stskeepsthere's a talk thread on them. refresh a couple of times and you may avoid them23:25
crashanddie_denky, looks fine from here23:25
paroneayeaone thing I really appreciate about the n90023:26
crashanddie_paroneayea, yeah, me too23:26
paroneayeait is 100% usable without command line and programming skills23:26
denkyYeah, retrying seems to work sometimes. But my scratchbox can't get dick done.23:26
paroneayeahaving those skills augments that23:26
crashanddie_denky, apt-get install dick?23:26
Veggenhow is it to use as a phone?23:26
qwerty12_N900denky: scratchbox <======823:26
crashanddie_Veggen, awesome, really23:27
Veggencompared to, say, the iPhone?23:27
paroneayeaVeggen: it's fantastic23:27
* Arkenoi just got my n900 as well, won one on maemo meetup ;-)23:27
paroneayeait works great as a phone23:27
paroneayeaalso works great as a computer23:27
pupnik_nice win23:27
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paroneayeait works great as both23:27
lcukArkenoi, coool are you .ru?23:27
denkyawesome, I've only had it for a day. (long time n810 user though)23:27
krfkeithit jsut works great23:27
timeless_mbpArkenoi: sorry, make that 900USD23:27
crashanddie_Veggen, skype calls are good, even over 3g23:27
VeggenI'm considering one, when I can get to one in physical store. I do want to look and touch one before I buy, though.23:27
timeless_mbpi'm tired23:27
timeless_mbpArkenoi: ...23:27
lcukit works well as a hammer too and sometimes as a mirror23:27
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timeless_mbpthe list price in europe is 600EUR23:27
krfkeithhas anyone had this issue with the emulators?23:27
timeless_mbpat 1.5USD per 1EUR, that's 900USD23:27
timeless_mbpso your 1000USD is only 100USD more than the european list price23:28
pupnik_what issue23:28
Veggen(I do have the n810, but buying a n900 depends on its phone usability - if I want to use it as my primary phone or not)23:28
qwerty12_N900krfkeith: What emulator, and what's the file name?23:28
timeless_mbpwhich is really not that bad23:28
paroneayeatoo bad blender mostly requires being able to right click23:28
paroneayeawould be fun to use on the device23:28
paroneayeaI may port it over anyway23:28
krfkeithqwerty12_N900: iNES, and VGBA23:28
denkyTook a while to find the usual packages. Still haven't found screen, tcpdump and other such tools, though. Wouldn't mind porting them myself, but I'm sure someone has already done all that.23:28
Arkenoiwon't sell it, the keyboard is not as good as e90, but that's maemo and s60 sucks23:28
lcukkrfkeith, if you are having problems with the emulators (or any apps) try to follow the bug reporting url specified iwth the app and file bugs.23:28
timeless_mbpok, help23:28
qwerty12_N900krfkeith: Trying to load a zip file?23:28
pupnik_how bout a hack to map camera button to right-click on n90023:28
lcukhelp make maemo better and more stable for yourself and those that follow23:28
Arkenoiso i keep this one23:28
krfkeithlcuk: ok,will do23:28
timeless_mbpanyone here familiar w/ mmap?23:28
denkyrsync -ave ssh --progress k@ .23:28
pupnik_for that specific app23:29
krfkeithqwerty12_N900: DUH! I'm an idiot! is there an unzip utility for maemo?23:29
lcukkrfkeith, normally theres lots of emu guys in here for the different ones, if you explain specifically which app and what you did23:29
denkyand hey, what's up with maemomapper?23:29
Arkenoiis there better contact search application that works well without qwerty?23:29
lcuksomeone should at least be able to try and find out23:29
qwerty12_N900krfkeith: Not outside of extras-devel :\23:29
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paroneayeajust discovered the zoom in/out buttons23:29
paroneayeaoh hey23:30
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timeless_mbpkrfkeith: unzip is kinda included in the backup app23:30
Arkenoiit's really great nokia did not drop irda, i like irda ;-)23:30
timeless_mbpsince it uses .zip files for backups :)23:30
timeless_mbpbut i've never tried to abuse it23:30
krfkeithtimeless_mbp: so you can use it to unzip or not?23:30
Arkenoido you compile on-device, without cross toolchain?23:31
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qwerty12_N900Arkenoi: For sharing files?23:31
Arkenoii like to have my development environment with me23:31
paroneayeaArkenoi: I've been considering doing that too23:31
krfkeithwill OS2008 apps work on Freemantle?23:31
timeless_mbpkrfkeith: i've never tried to abuse it23:31
timeless_mbpbut i suspect i could23:31
krfkeithsorry for such a stupid ?23:31
qwerty12_N900zap: Port Xarchiver :)23:32
Arkenoiqwerty: for sharing files it is too slow, but for sending contact cards it is better than bt as there is no need to search and pair (yes, some crazy devices cannot receive without pairing)23:32
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Arkenoiand i do not want to pair with anyone, that's damn insecure ;-)23:32
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krfkeithI'm going to try and compile 0 A.D. (age of empires clone) for Maemo523:33
qwerty12_N900Arkenoi: Ah, Nokia haven't provided support for sending files using it and I'm not entirely sure it can recieve signals, either...23:33
krfkeithmaemo is debian based right?23:33
paroneayeakrfkeith: correct, it is a debian derivative23:34
krfkeithah good23:34
paroneayeapackages are not quite the same as debian23:34
krfkeithoh darn23:34
Arkenoiqwerty: does it work as remote control?23:34
krfkeithso debian stuff won't work directly I guess23:34
Stskeepskrfkeith: give it a try and see if it works, best way23:34
krfkeithi.e., I can't use debian arm repositories23:34
qwerty12_N900Arkenoi: Sure; check irreco23:34
denkymaemomapper for n900, where on earth is it?23:35
paroneayeakrfkeith: well, there is apparently an optify thing23:35
Stskeepsdenky: garage.maemo.org23:35
krfkeithStskeeps: will do23:35
Arkenoiqwerty: sounds quite strange as sending files is standard linux irda stack capability23:35
krfkeithparoneayea: what's optify?23:35
denkyright, ofcourse23:35
Stskeepsdenky: the guy who made it is now working for google..23:35
krfkeithdoes it convert .deb to whatever maemo uses?23:35
pillarlcuk, sorry been busy trying to configure things on it :)23:35
paroneayeakrfkeith: not sure if that's the name, but maemo .deb files install in /opt instead of /usr23:35
paroneayeato keep /usr flashable and other optimizations23:35
paroneayeaso if you install an arm package into /usr23:36
krfkeithparoneayea: ok23:36
qwerty12_N900Arkenoi: Think it's there for developers to use as they wish, so if someone does hack it to allow it to send files :)23:36
paroneayeayou'll run out of space23:36
paroneayeafast :)23:36
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paroneayeaI haven't tried it, someone recommended that I do though23:36
paroneayeaI am trying to learn packaging so I can be useful23:36
pillarlcuk trying to make xterm utf-8 friendly and adding up/down/alt to xterm virtual button list23:36
greenflypillar: don't need alt23:37
lcukcool, qole posted a set of keys he uses lots for term23:37
pillargreenfly how come?23:37
greenflypillar: in a terminal, Esc and Alt are interchangeable, apparently23:37
denkyStskeeps: figures... :)23:37
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pillarlcuk yeah, noticed that one :)23:37
qwerty12_N900pillar: Nokia, being the genii that they are, removed the dialog for adding shortcuts in the X Terminal app itself. You'll have to edit its GConf keys23:37
lardmanhmm, anyone know how I can rip a CD using Ubuntu Karmic Koala?23:38
greenflylardman: various options but I still like grip the best23:38
greenflythere's also soundjuicer23:38
lardmanI can't find the mount point for the drive23:38
paroneayeaso the "slider" that is next to the headphone port23:38
paroneayeawhat is that for?23:38
paroneayeait clearly isn't for opening the case23:38
greenflyparoneayea: locks the screen23:38
qwerty12_N900Locking the tablet23:38
paroneayeagreenfly: aha23:38
paroneayeathat makes screen locking much easier :)23:39
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paroneayeahey, maybe I can remap that one to an alt key ;)23:39
* paroneayea still searching for a good way to get alt23:39
greenflywhy do you need alt?23:40
paroneayeaI guess I can just remap execute-extended-command in emacs (M-x)23:40
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paroneayeaemacs nerd :)23:40
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pekujais it easy to remap keys on Maemo? does xmodmap work?23:40
qwerty12_N900Use vi - problem solved =)23:40
greenflyahh. Esc works in a terminal but I don't know about in emacs23:40
pillarqwerty yeah that's what I'm trying, I'm such a newbie with this kind of things23:40
paroneayeaqwerty12_N900: never! :)23:40
Arkenoilooks like i canoot access sim toolkit from maemo23:41
paroneayeaactually I do use vi23:41
greenflyparoneayea: how are you going to do all the emacs combo keys with your thumbs?23:41
pillargreenfly: you are probably right, I remember using esc on mac23:41
hotaru2k3real vi, busybox vi, or vim?23:41
paroneayeagreenfly: most "emacs combos" are just successions of two keys pressed at once23:41
pillargreen: I wanted alt for changing channels on irssi23:41
paroneayeaeither ctrl+key or alt+key23:42
paroneayeaso, you already are doing ctrl+key with the n900 keyboard23:42
greenflypillar: yeah I use Esc for that in irssi23:42
greenflyworks just fine23:42
pillargreenfly: nice, thanks23:42
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krfkeithwhat's the defualt root password23:43
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paroneayeakrfkeith: if you type "sudo gainroot" you don't enter one23:43
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infoboti heard root-access is
paroneayeaand when you install ssh-server it'll prompt you for a password for root23:43
paroneayeaah, every channel needs an infobot of some sort hm ? :)23:44
pillarkrfkeith: also, installing ssh-server ... paroneayea beat me to it23:44
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greenflyno ssh as root! :)23:44
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paroneayeagreenfly: not my fault!  Those are maemo defaults :)23:45
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crashanddie_just deactivate password login and slam a certificate in there23:46
greenflyat least it prompts you to enter a password...23:46
* greenfly glares at jailbroken iphones23:46
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paroneayeacrashanddie_: assuming you meant using public key auth, that's certainly the right route23:47
felbutsshey guys.  i dont know if u guys remebr me from a few hours ago what i was having problems flashing my n900 with flasher, as my firmware update with NSU stoped half way.23:47
felbutssflash still cant detect my N900. i was reading the redme file and notice i have to put it in flashing mode23:47
crashanddie_felbutss, no, not really23:48
Stskeepsfelbutss: you can try to hold down 'u'23:48
felbutssi hold down u then plug the USB cable in but nothing happens23:48
Stskeepsu on the n900 i assume?23:48
timeless_mbpparoneayea: afaik installing into /opt doesn't make your system flashable23:48
timeless_mbpin fact, it should make your system hosed23:48
timeless_mbpbecause when you flash, we forget that you have stuff in /opt23:48
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timeless_mbpand if you try to install or update those packages, afaik, you should get awful conflicts23:49
Stskeepsfelbutss: any success charging it?23:49
felbutssye its charged23:49
felbutsslemi try a few things23:49
felbutssfingers crossed23:49
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paroneayeatimeless_mbp: well, there was some justification for the incompatible-opt-silliness23:50
paroneayeaI assumed that was some part of it :)23:50
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Stskeepsfelbutss: could you for fun try to do flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R23:51
Stskeepsand see if that changes anything23:52
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pillargreen: yep, esc works! now if I could only get the xterm show scandinavic keys right in irssi.. they do work fine in the shell23:52
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N900: saw there's now a 'qwertyberty' on t.m.o? ;p23:53
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qwerty12_N900Damn these fakes!23:54
krfkeithI was looking at xarchiver, and it said I needed to install certain utilites, so I used apt-get and it doesn't show them23:54
Stskeepsi thought it was like a retarded qwerty ;)23:54
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VDVsxqwertyberty == trolling qwerty12_N900 :P23:55
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lcukwhere is xchat23:56
Shapeshifterlol n900 crybabies23:56
lcukand why is -devel down and is it stopping the autobuilder23:56
felbutssC:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)  Suitable USB device not found, waiting.23:56
Stskeepsfelbutss: original USB cable?23:57
felbutsswas in the box23:57
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Stskeepsfelbutss: and try to pull battery, plug in battery, insert usb23:57
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felbutssrunning out of ideas. tryed that two about 30 times lol.23:58
felbutssill do a few more things23:58
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felbutssit just keeps restarting and doing weird things.23:58
Stskeepsfelbutss: so did you buy or did you win it, btw? :P23:58
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felbutsshow can i check if its a pre prod23:59
Stskeepsunder the cover usually, under battery23:59
Stskeepsbut it sounds weird that this happens :P23:59
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felbutssit does lol23:59

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