IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-11-24

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infobot	setanta is currently on #maemo (8h 29m 29s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 7h 8m 14s, last said: 'I will check who have taken it'.	00:00
penguinbait	ok, being an arse for no reason, or at least unknown to me?	00:00
GeneralAntilles	type_t2, timeless_mbp answered yes, I provided the additional information.	00:01
GeneralAntilles	type_t2, no kindly leave off harassing the people trying to help. :)	00:01
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type_t2	i am kind more than you think .. you probably need someone to crack you nuts on. and its me.. :>	00:02
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mikkov	lardman: I did indt games (including battlegweled) packages for Diablo	00:04
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lardman	mikkov: ah cool	00:09
lardman	mikkov: any plans to do some for Fremantle?	00:09
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mikkov	Not really, there's too much overhead with extras-testing stuff	00:10
lardman	ok	00:10
lardman	is the source available in Garage?	00:11
mikkov	But it's only a recompile and tweaking the depencies	00:11
lardman	yep	00:11
mikkov	Up to chinook source is in garage	00:11
lardman	cool, will do some repackaging then	00:12
mikkov	But it's easier to take diablo packages from diablo repository	00:12
GeneralAntilles	Does the games startup need tweaking in Fremantle?	00:12
lardman	oh right, ok	00:12
lardman	no idea	00:12
javispedro	a few bits -- menu stuff.	00:12
mikkov	No code changes needed	00:12
javispedro	menuitems won't show in hildonappmenu	00:13
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: You've seen Chess and the like. Apart from a back button added, do they really look different?	00:13
mikkov	I tested it some day	00:13
javispedro	try opening the menu	00:13
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12, didn't it get a whitelist of games or somesuch?	00:13
mikkov	lardman: sdlnet depency is not needed, battlegweled was supposed to be network game but that feature was never finished	00:14
javispedro	it has a "list of blessed sdl games" for bug 3748	00:15
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3748 Erroneous "Game not started yet" message	00:15
qwerty12	GeneralAntilles: No idea how it works. I actually think it's rather stupid and developers should write their own GUIs and power saving measures but that's another story...	00:15
javispedro	but games not in the whitelist work nonetheless.	00:15
* pwnguin needs to look at sgt-puzzles for maemo5		00:15
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lardman	hmm, hacked into submission without a recompile	00:20
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Cr0n_	I need to take pictures from the command line in the n810, which would be the simplest way?	00:23
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GeneralAntilles	Cr0n_, screenshot or photos?	00:23
Cr0n_	no	00:24
Cr0n_	photos	00:24
GeneralAntilles	dbus/gstreamer	00:24
GeneralAntilles	Not sure of the specific recipe.	00:24
Cr0n_	look my error	00:24
* javispedro wonders how can OO.org be SO slow on a 2Ghz computer.		00:24
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, because your computer sucks, clearly.	00:25
Cr0n_	gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=352,height=288,framerate=10/1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/.images/file.jpg	00:25
GeneralAntilles	2.0GHz is so 2005.	00:25
javispedro	hey, perfect guess.	00:25
lardman	nah, in the same way that TMO and Maemo.org can be slow on my 2GHz computer ;)	00:25
javispedro	it is from 2005.	00:25
Cr0n_	Warning: erooneous pipeline: no element "jpegenc"	00:25
GeneralAntilles	s/Maemo.org/maemo.org/g	00:26
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lardman	Cr0n_: do you have that element?	00:26
lardman	GeneralAntilles: yeah, was just wondering about that! :D	00:26
Cr0n_	yes	00:26
GeneralAntilles	lardman, careful now, or we're going to have to send you for reeducation.	00:26
lardman	let me finish a few tasks first please!	00:27
lardman	for the good of the (lower-case) maemo	00:27
ShadowJK	I hardly notice any difference between my computer running at 2.0 and my computer running at 2.83GHz...	00:27
qwerty12	lardman: maemo sucks. Maemo.Org is the future	00:27
GeneralAntilles	Lowercase maemo is so 2005	00:27
javispedro	save for OO.org being slow on both.	00:27
ShadowJK	ooo and firefox make it just as slow as my P133 back in the days :)	00:27
lardman	Cr0n_: well if the element is present, then I've no idea	00:28
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lardman	perhaps try gst-inspect to see if it's seen by gts	00:28
lardman	gst	00:28
javispedro	I have to wonder what the "Use OpenGL" setting does in OO.org, other than slow it down even more.	00:28
lcuk	well, i thought i would never have to use the phrase "evil dead jigsaw baby with worms coming out of its head"	00:28
lardman	you and me both	00:28
Cr0n_	lardman: tanks	00:29
lardman	lcuk: how are things other than the jigsaw worms?	00:29
lardman	Cr0n_: np	00:29
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luke-jr	ShadowJK: I thought my CPU fan was dying, so I reduced my CPU from 2.3 GHz to 1 GHz	00:30
luke-jr	ShadowJK: still haven't noticed a difference	00:30
lcuk	lardman, im happy.	00:31
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lcuk	v tired cos still picking up lots of things each day	00:31
lardman	having the VB beaten out of you? ;)	00:31
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derf	lcuk found a job?	00:32
javispedro	where lcuk is now, I'm sure just mentioning VB is penalized :)	00:32
ShadowJK	luke-jr, did you reduce voltage too?	00:33
ShadowJK	that's what makes the most difference ;)	00:33
* javispedro is currently working at 1Ghz too		00:33
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lcuk	derf, yes \o/ i am a collaboran now, and javispedro you are right	00:34
timeless_mbp	javispedro: fwiw "game not started yet" shouldn't exist at all	00:34
timeless_mbp	it's a ui design botch	00:34
GeneralAntilles	lol, I like the latest mail on -developers.	00:34
Cr0n_	lardman: know any other simple way to take pictures command line?	00:34
javispedro	timeless: agreed. it's detailing implementation details for a start.	00:34
lcuk	tho maybe not	00:34
derf	lcuk: Congrats.	00:34
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derf	Collabora is good people.	00:34
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lardman	Cr0n_: does jpgenc not work for you?	00:35
timeless_mbp	javispedro: it's telling the user something the user already knows	00:35
* hotaru2k3 currently only has an htc hero and an n810... 1GHz must be nice.		00:35
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timeless_mbp	and which is readily apparent from the rest of the app's currently visible state	00:35
javispedro	hotaru2k3: by default it's at 2Ghz	00:36
lardman	javispedro: what's this?	00:36
javispedro	dunno.	00:36
lardman	not a pda then...?	00:36
lardman	Cr0n_: which device is this btw?	00:36
timeless_mbp	javispedro: anyway, this bug is fixed by enus1 for diablo	00:37
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timeless_mbp	and presumably by enus1 for fremantle	00:37
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javispedro	hotaru2k3: the N900 maxes at 600Mhz, if that's what you're talking about.	00:37
javispedro	timeless: "fixed" is "removed"?	00:37
timeless_mbp	replaced by " " :)	00:37
javispedro	so the banner still appears? :(	00:38
timeless_mbp	that's how i fix most bugs in Nokia's software	00:38
timeless_mbp	wait, this is a banner?	00:38
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timeless_mbp	oh yeah, you probably get an empty banner :)	00:38
lardman	Cr0n_: jpgenc or jpegenc.......?	00:38
javispedro	yes...	00:38
timeless_mbp	how do i trigger this?	00:38
javispedro	the banner distorts the hw pixel doubled window -- result: a mess.	00:38
lardman	Cr0n_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/55089?page=last	00:38
Cr0n_	lardman:	00:39
Cr0n_	jpegenc is coming from libjpg.la coming from gst-plugins-good, ok.	00:39
Cr0n_	I could not found any package for maemo that I generate the libjpg.la then compiled external and copy to / usr / lib /	00:39
lardman	framerate stuff depends on platform, for the N900 will be different	00:39
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hotaru2k3	what i'm talking about is how much faster 1GHz is than anything i have right now	00:39
lardman	Cr0n_: which platform?	00:39
javispedro	timeless: boot blocks on diablo, click "Play", wait dbus timeout time (30 seconds iirc).	00:39
Cr0n_	arm	00:39
lardman	n810? N900?	00:39
javispedro	hotaru2k3: you don't have a computer?	00:39
timeless_mbp	hrm, i'd have to find my n800/n810	00:39
Cr0n_	lardman: scratchbox , n810	00:39
Shapeshifter	What will we see first? The higgs boson, or the n900?	00:39
timeless_mbp	javispedro: could you install enus1 and see what happens? :)	00:39
* Shapeshifter is excited.		00:39
javispedro	timeless: on fremantle, boot any non-whitelisted sdl game, like drnoksnes	00:40
timeless_mbp	it should be in diablo extras-devel	00:40
lardman	Cr0n_: hmm, sb, that will be different and may not work	00:40
lardman	Cr0n_: on-device it ought to work though	00:40
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* timeless_mbp looks for drnoksnes		00:40
lardman	Cr0n_: v4l2src num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! video/x-raw-	00:40
lardman	yuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=8/1 ! jpegenc ! filesink	00:40
lardman	location=test.jpg	00:40
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timeless_mbp	what repo has drnoksnes?	00:40
javispedro	timeless: you'll need a rom so if you don't have a few minutes don't do it :)	00:40
timeless_mbp	ok	00:40
timeless_mbp	how about something that doesn't require a rom?	00:41
timeless_mbp	i never owned an snes	00:41
javispedro	how many osso-games-startup games are there on extras now?	00:41
Cr0n_	lardman: I tried other program but most of the illegal instruction in the function gettimeofday ().example fswebcam	00:41
timeless_mbp	that'd require the extras-devel repo to not be broken?	00:41
lardman	Cr0n_: the emulation is not great	00:41
GeneralAntilles	Aren't there some free license SNES ROMs about?	00:41
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javispedro	http://gra.dforce3000.de/ guess so.	00:42
lardman	GeneralAntilles: talk to qwerty12 ;)	00:43
qwerty12	Why would I deal in free ROMs?	00:43
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lardman	true	00:43
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timeless_mbp	so i should try that one?	00:43
Cr0n_	lardman: what would be the right command line to take a picture using gstreamer	00:44
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javispedro	timeless: drnoksnes is on extras-devel too so...	00:44
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lardman	Cr0n_: in scratchbox I have no idea; on-device that one above should work	00:44
hotaru2k3	javispedro: well i do have a fairly old dell set up as a web server, a quadra 650, a tandy 1000 sx, and some kind of atari, but those are all over 1000 miles away from where i am now	00:44
timeless_mbp	i have extras enabled	00:45
timeless_mbp	but not devel	00:45
timeless_mbp	i also have testing enabled	00:45
Dantonic	hi any networking experts here?	00:47
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SpeedEvil	Dantonic: I play one on TV.	00:47
Dantonic	oh? lol	00:47
ShadowJK	SpeedEvil, you do?	00:47
timeless_mbp	i slept in a holiday in express last night	00:47
timeless_mbp	actually, i didn't	00:47
* javispedro realizes he's practically the only one using osso-games-startup right now		00:47
Dantonic	lol timeless_mbp	00:47
* SpeedEvil traces Dantonics IP using visual basic.		00:47
Dantonic	I can't see my desktop on the network... want to ssh to it with the NIT	00:48
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GeneralAntilles	javispedro, as a user, I find that rather unfortunate.	00:48
Dantonic	I just upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04.. ubuntu	00:48
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ShadowJK	"see"?	00:48
SpeedEvil	Dantonic: you mean NAT?	00:48
ShadowJK	ubuntu probably comes with a firewall enabled by default	00:48
ShadowJK	atleat fedora does	00:48
Dantonic	it's no where... it's not even in the DHCP ACTIVE IPs	00:48
ShadowJK	atleast*	00:48
timeless_mbp	Dantonic: do you want to find your ip address?	00:48
Dantonic	I mean from my N900 SpeedEvil	00:49
Dantonic	N800 sorry	00:49
Dantonic	N800*	00:49
Dantonic	I know my local IP	00:49
SpeedEvil	Dantonic: what is your n900 connected to?	00:49
Dantonic	I've tried setting it to static within interfaces	00:49
qwerty12	javispedro: The others still have something in return - their sanity :p	00:49
Dantonic	my wireless router	00:49
Cr0n_	lardman: v412src not found	00:49
Dantonic	on my active IP list on the router I see my N800 and my other laptops	00:49
Cr0n_	lardman: what package	00:49
javispedro	oh, using o-g-s back in its day wasn't mentally challenging.	00:49
Dantonic	cant see the desktop	00:49
SpeedEvil	Dantonic: does the desktop have a static IP?	00:50
Dantonic	not right now	00:50
Dantonic	I just got rid of it in the hope that it would work	00:50
qwerty12	javispedro: Not to claim I know how to use it, but that Chess shit put me right off	00:50
lardman	Cr0n_: iirc there were some specific instructions for getting the video pipeline to work under sb	00:50
lardman	tho where those are I don;t know	00:50
Dantonic	any ideas SpeedEvil ?	00:51
ShadowJK	walk up the the machine and look at what the ip is?	00:51
ShadowJK	s/up the/up to	00:51
Dantonic	well I know what it is with ifconfig	00:51
ShadowJK	uh	00:51
Dantonic	no?	00:51
ShadowJK	yes	00:52
Dantonic	ShadowJK, I'm noob too btw	00:52
ShadowJK	what is it?	00:52
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Dantonic	it's 103	00:52
Cr0n_	larkman:	00:53
Cr0n_	I'm using n810, not sb.	00:53
Cr0n_	the command I gave was this:	00:53
Dantonic	man this is annoying	00:53
lardman	do gtk_text_views automatically update when the buffer you point them at changes?	00:53
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Cr0n_	lardman: v4l2src num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480,framerate=8/1 ! jpegenc ! filesink location=test.jpg	00:54
lardman	yep?	00:54
SpeedEvil	Dantonic: can you ssh to the desktop from anything?	00:54
Dantonic	no	00:55
ShadowJK	firewall	00:55
Dantonic	that's probably why	00:55
Dantonic	so I have to disable it?	00:55
Dantonic	shoudl I have to?	00:55
* javispedro loves OO.org spell checker which tries to autocorrect "deduce" into "seduce". Would look wonderful in a paper.		00:56
Dantonic	can't have a firewall and be visible?	00:56
ShadowJK	"visible" has nothing to do with it	00:56
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qwerty12	javispedro: Just use Word already =)	00:56
javispedro	the CrossOver Office icon is tempting.	00:56
Dantonic	ShadowJK, so what do you mean? do I have to configure it so it makes me visible? or just disable the firewall? or that's not the problem?	00:57
Cr0n_	lardman: WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "jpgenc"	00:57
ShadowJK	Well, you'd have to allow port 22 atleast	00:58
ShadowJK	Because that's where ssh is	00:58
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pwnguin	Cr0n_: jpgenc or jpegenc?	00:58
lardman	don't forget the "e"	00:58
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Dantonic	ShadowJK, ya port 22 is forwarded	00:59
ShadowJK	So you are trying to connect to your computer from outside your LAN?	00:59
Cr0n_	pwnguin: jpegenc	00:59
Dantonic	ShadowJK, neither way works outside or inside	01:00
lardman	and "gst-inspect-0.10 jpegenc"?	01:00
lardman	pastebin it though as it will be voluminous	01:00
DocScrutinizer	Dantonic: that's internal->internal, I guess. Or do you try to your desktop's world visible addr	01:00
ShadowJK	Well from outside you need to connect to the router's IP, and the router needs to forward port 22 to the ubuntu machine's IP, and the ubuntu machine needs to not block port 22 in both cases :)	01:01
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ShadowJK	the router's outside IP, the router will have two IPs	01:01
Dantonic	DocScrutinizer, I've tried both... I have my local ip to which port 22 is forwarded to	01:01
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Dantonic	then I try to connect to my internet address	01:01
DocScrutinizer	or you need to config the firewall internal rules correctly, not the external	01:01
Dantonic	or if I'm on the network to my local address	01:01
Dantonic	either way it doesnt work	01:01
Dantonic	DocScrutinizer, I have no idea how to configure a firewall can you point me in the right direction?	01:01
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DocScrutinizer	a lot of cheap router-NATs don't forward internal traffic to an external IP back to internal dest	01:02
DocScrutinizer	e.g Zyxel	01:02
Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: you ok, you had a collision	01:02
DocScrutinizer	need to do IP local-loopback enable or sth	01:03
qwerty12_N900	Xisdibik: Yeah, I survived =)	01:03
javispedro	he has like 30 or 40 collisions a day. I'm surprised his n901 is still not scratched.	01:03
Dantonic	hang on brb	01:03
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DocScrutinizer	dansorry I can't as firewall user interface is really different each time	01:04
Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: did you get his insurance information? ;)	01:04
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qwerty12_N900	Xisdibik: No, the bastard did a hit-and-run	01:05
Cr0n_	pwnguin: know what can be?hence the jpegenc?libjpeg.la is the same?	01:05
ShadowJK	the output of "iptables -vnL" on the ubuntu bux would tell you whether there are any firewall rules there	01:05
* javispedro is still running, having stolen qwerty12_N900's N900.		01:05
lardman	qwerty12_N900: /me grabs a large stick, which way did he go...?	01:06
lardman	oh, it was javispedro, in which case /me goes back to coding	01:06
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AakashPatel	hey everyone	01:06
ShadowJK	and also check whether openssh server is installed.....	01:07
lardman	hi	01:07
* ShadowJK goes sleep		01:07
lardman	night ShadowJK	01:07
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AakashPatel	Does maemo have some sort of "emulator" to test apps in?	01:07
* javispedro goes back to writing "so from the data we can clearly seduce that the assumptions"		01:07
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lardman	:)	01:07
ShadowJK	At one point ooo started guessing the language for me. It mostly guesses the wrong language and puts red ink under everything	01:08
Dantonic	DocScrutinizer, I've done a sudo ufw disable and no luck, I guess it's not the firewall? what were you suggesting regarding loopbacks etc.. don't know what that means	01:08
ShadowJK	can you do "ssh user@localhost" on the ubuntu machine? ;-)	01:08
lardman	ShadowJK: MS Word does that and tries spelling in Americanese	01:08
DocScrutinizer	I meant your fw in router-NAT (if there's any)	01:09
ShadowJK	or ssh user@192.168.1.103 or whatever the IP was	01:09
Dantonic	on the machine itself? ssh into it?	01:09
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ShadowJK	Dantonic, es	01:09
ShadowJK	yes	01:09
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derf	lardman: Z's are good for you.	01:09
Dantonic	ShadowJK, yes that works fine	01:09
ShadowJK	curse this irc on tablet, i don't get away from it even when closing monitor	01:09
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DocScrutinizer	even better, try the external IP	01:10
DocScrutinizer	from desktop, to desktop	01:10
lardman	derf: only in certain works; it's the missing u's that get me :)	01:10
lardman	s/works/words	01:10
Dantonic	wow now it works locally from the N800 too...	01:10
DocScrutinizer	lol	01:10
derf	lardman: That's just because you speak with a funny accent.	01:11
lardman	it's all relative	01:11
lardman	to English ;)	01:11
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Dantonic	wow it all works now	01:11
derf	As my first CS teacher (from the Bronx) once said: "It's not my fault you all talk funny."	01:11
Dantonic	even externally wtf	01:12
lardman	exactly the attitude I take with you lot :D	01:12
Dantonic	ok so now I can ssh into it no problem, but I still dont see it in the dhcp clients table?	01:13
Dantonic	this must be cause I disabled the firewall	01:13
hotaru2k3	those extra u's are french, not english	01:13
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lardman	yeah, but we're quite close to France	01:14
lardman	geographically, not in our like for snails ;)	01:14
lardman	where's khertan, luckily not here to hit me	01:14
AakashPatel	lol	01:14
lcuk	AakashPatel, maemo sdk	01:15
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AakashPatel	lcuk, oh sweet	01:15
Dantonic	damn so I have to keep the firewall down to ssh?	01:16
lcuk	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation	01:16
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\|R	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <- what's the diff between vanilla, global and usa ?	01:17
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\|R	uhm nevermind vanilla is just the internal demos i guess, but global vs usa vs ... ?	01:18
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SpeedEvil	It's all the same bar the keyboard labels	01:20
SpeedEvil	Dantonic: or you need to configure the firewall to allow ssh	01:21
lcuk	the USA version high 5s you when you get a text	01:21
qwerty12_N900	lcuk: The USA version doesn't know what a text is	01:22
SpeedEvil	Also it uses the speed of 3g networks to continually stream all your calls and web accesses to the NSA.	01:22
lcuk	lol	01:22
lardman	lol	01:22
lardman	over here we're reasonably safe because they spend all their time looking at qwerty12_N900's usage	01:23
derf	Don't be silly. That's done from the telco.	01:23
lcuk	the bosses at ikea must be furious!	01:23
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Dantonic	SpeedEvil, how do I configre the firewall to allow ssh?	01:23
SpeedEvil	Dantonic: I have no idea at all how to do it in ubuntu.	01:23
lardman	does qwerty12_N900 work at Ikea?	01:23
lcuk	or extremely happy, i cannot decide how people feel	01:23
lcuk	i have to go there tomorrow	01:24
lardman	hard luck	01:24
qwerty12_N900	lardman: No, he does not!	01:24
Dantonic	ok SpeedEvil thanks I'll look into it...	01:24
lardman	qwerty12_N900: good lad!	01:24
lcuk	tracy is over the moon	01:24
lardman	qwerty12_N900: tho think of all the cheap furniture....	01:24
lcuk	shes been training	01:24
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qwerty12_N900	lardman: You're right. polishes knife	01:25
lardman	training to order you about and then ask if you need help carrying the awkward 40kg box....?	01:25
lcuk	lardman, hows your projects goin	01:25
lcuk	you have put down barcode for now havent you	01:25
lardman	nah, doing stuff now actually	01:25
lcuk	:D	01:25
* SpeedEvil is currently doing a barcodey thing too		01:25
lardman	just getting ui to rotate	01:25
lardman	SpeedEvil: using zbar?	01:25
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SpeedEvil	lardman: zbarcam + awk + ...	01:26
lardman	and for decoding?	01:26
lardman	zbarcam?	01:26
qwerty12_N900	lardman: At least some IKEAs put on good entertainment: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article102699.ece	01:26
SpeedEvil	yes	01:26
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lardman	SpeedEvil: same thing	01:27
lardman	is zbar	01:27
Dantonic	SpeedEvil, thanks so much I found the solution figured out how to enable ssh on the firewall	01:27
lardman	qwerty12_N900: oh dear!	01:27
lardman	London though, 'tis life so I hear	01:27
qwerty12_N900	I know... I couldn't find a better news source	01:28
SpeedEvil	lardman: _really_ simple. Get barcode, go beep. Prompt user to enter product name. Take product name, then when user hits enter, take pic with other camera.	01:28
lardman	cool	01:28
javispedro	Kill user.	01:28
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lardman	qwerty12_N900: what do you take to school these days? M-16?	01:28
paroneayea	fighting with a t-mobile customer service provider trying to get her to tell me if "unlimited web" includes SSH :P	01:28
SpeedEvil	lardman: this gives a barcode->product mapping - and those can then be looked up on my scraped list of tesco stuffs for scraped calories.	01:28
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N900, what the hell is up with the randomly bolded and capitalized words?	01:28
GeneralAntilles	Is "MUGGED" an acronym or something over there?	01:28
lardman	well it is the SUN!	01:29
javispedro	some clients may bold this	01:29
qwerty12_N900	GeneralAntilles: It's The Sun; don't ask...	01:29
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GeneralAntilles	paroneayea, bad plan.	01:29
paroneayea	yeah	01:29
GeneralAntilles	paroneayea, don't let them find out you have an N900 or they'll put you on one of those expensive PDA plans.	01:29
SpeedEvil	lardman: so I - when it works - wave thing in front of scanner, enter 34g, and it adds 34(caloriespergram) 34fatpergram, ... to my daily totals.	01:29
lardman	GeneralAntilles: note that this is the main reason anyone would buy/read THE SUN: http://www.page3.com/	01:30
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qwerty12_N900	(NSFW)	01:30
SpeedEvil	lardman: they did something very cool the other day though	01:30
lardman	SpeedEvil: so what are you inputting, # grammes?	01:30
SpeedEvil	http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/40th/2733114/The-Sun-launches-birthday-edition-21-miles-into-space.html	01:31
GeneralAntilles	lardman, I see.	01:31
SpeedEvil	lardman: from a scale	01:31
SpeedEvil	lardman: while cooking/...	01:31
lardman	ah ok	01:31
SpeedEvil	(the above with the aid of people in #highaltitude)	01:31
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lardman	:)	01:31
lardman	did you see that high altitude glider?	01:31
lardman	http://members.shaw.ca/sonde/ very very cool :)	01:32
SpeedEvil	lardman: ? Laurenceb's?	01:32
SpeedEvil	ah yes - saw that.	01:32
lardman	seeing the Sun reminds /me of what he was using to test mbarcode url lookups: http://emcons.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/keeley_280_399469a.jpg	01:33
paroneayea	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=387181&postcount=4048	01:34
SpeedEvil	lardman: has the flash scanner on http://en.barcodepedia.com/ ever worked for you? zbarcam worked on the same cam instantly	01:34
paroneayea	looks like amazon is shipping	01:34
lardman	SpeedEvil: never had a webcam to try with tbh	01:34
SpeedEvil	ah	01:34
lardman	and not tried on-device	01:34
SpeedEvil	Does flash on the n900 even see the cameras?	01:35
lardman	I was using Windows version of zbar to grab book barcodes while we were packing the other day though, worked well	01:35
lardman	I have a feeling it doesn't, just from something I read	01:35
lardman	but I can of course try, hang on a tick	01:35
SpeedEvil	packing?	01:35
SpeedEvil	Oh - were you moving?	01:35
lardman	still are	01:36
lardman	packing to decorate, then look at moving	01:36
SpeedEvil	ah	01:36
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lardman	nah, no webcam found with N900	01:37
paroneayea	GeneralAntilles: anyway, when I did ask about ssh, they told me that if the company "Essis Age" charged me for their services, they would not cover Essis Age's charges, but they would not themselves charge me for accessing the "Essis Age Website"	01:38
paroneayea	which I thought was awesome	01:38
paroneayea	and hilarious	01:38
GeneralAntilles	paroneayea, nice.	01:38
lardman	:)	01:38
SpeedEvil	paroneayea: go to the forums or ... of your potential provider, and investigate	01:39
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lardman	gtk_container_foreach(appdata->scan_window_hbox, (GtkCallback)gtk_container_remove, appdata->scan_window_hbox);	01:40
lardman	should that work?	01:40
lardman	where appdata->scan_window_hbox in an HBox	01:40
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lardman	s/in/is	01:40
* SpeedEvil imagines if the n900 display could weigh items placed on the screen accurately.		01:41
* SpeedEvil suspects not.		01:41
lardman	could do ocr of the scales though....	01:41
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GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, don't think the surface resistance is consistent enough.	01:41
SpeedEvil	lardman: yeah - I was looking for that sort of thing	01:41
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: noe even close, no.	01:41
derf	lardman: No, that won't work.	01:41
SpeedEvil	lardman: 7 seg readers for v4l	01:41
lardman	why not?	01:41
derf	Because it's going to call the callback with the arguments in the wrong order.	01:42
lardman	ah, the code, ok	01:42
lardman	is it possible?	01:42
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lardman	somehow?	01:42
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lardman	actually, I can probably do it manually, so don't worry too much	01:43
derf	You could write a small wrapper function that calls gtk_container_remove with the arguments in the right order.	01:43
derf	Or, right, do it manually.	01:43
lardman	yeah, ok	01:43
lardman	hmm, the wonders of picking up code off the interweb....	01:43
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lardman	SpeedEvil: but yeah, should be reasonably easy to stick one of those together	01:46
lardman	not that I know much about ocr, but have used some working correlation codes	01:46
lardman	s/used/written	01:46
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lardman	and these were only for <10 pixel high chars, so for bigger stuff should work ok	01:47
SpeedEvil	lardman: and yes, it's easy.	01:47
lardman	cool	01:47
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SpeedEvil	lardman: but - in the same way that barcodes are easy to decode - zbarcam\|awk means I probably will do it - ...	01:48
derf	OCR for latin alphabets is a fairly solved problem.	01:48
lardman	how should it be done?	01:48
SpeedEvil	derf: I haven't seen good OCR for free on linux.	01:48
lardman	I need to write my own	01:48
SpeedEvil	derf: comparable with the program that came free with my scanner in 1997 that is.	01:48
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derf	SpeedEvil: Yes, no idea about open-source stuff.	01:48
SpeedEvil	s/1997/1995/	01:49
infobot	SpeedEvil meant: derf: comparable with the program that came free with my scanner in 1995 that is.	01:49
derf	But it's not rocket science.	01:49
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SpeedEvil	derf: It is a very substantial body of code AIUI though.	01:50
derf	Now, OCR for cursive/ideographic languages, that's something else.	01:50
SpeedEvil	derf: and simply saying 'it's not rocket science' doesn't magically deliver several tens of thousands of lines of code.	01:50
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lardman	what's the general approach though?	01:50
lardman	I guess not a correlation one?	01:50
SpeedEvil	I'd also like - even pay - speech recognition - for linux.	01:50
lardman	I've pushed that to extras-devel	01:51
lardman	pocketsphinx	01:51
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SpeedEvil	Looks interesting.	01:53
lardman	needs optification	01:54
lardman	but the number test at least worked and recognised what I was saying	01:54
lardman	I also stuck flite in for text -> speech	01:54
lardman	but that needs a tweak as it won't output directly	01:55
lardman	no idea why	01:55
lardman	have to save to wav, then play that	01:55
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lardman	probably a simple pulseaudio issue I suppose	01:55
Flandry	any debian pkg wizzes on atm?	01:58
lardman	hmm, my widgets are still not appearing when I rotate :(	01:59
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lardman\|home	re	01:59
Flandry	is your evil twin here lardman?	01:59
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lardman\|home	nah, my connection lag became very large	02:00
Flandry	I've been looking at HAM and it uses "multiple lines" as the criterion for an extended description. I'm wondering why strlen isn't a simpler, better metric.	02:01
Flandry	Especially because i changed it to strip newlines elsewhere :P	02:01
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lardman\|home	lol	02:02
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Flandry	it does a string copy, strips initial and trailing whitespace, splits it into an array of lines, and then checks that there are more than one	02:03
Flandry	i mean, is that really necessary? :P	02:03
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derf	lardman\|home: Not usually correlation on images (though that is sometimes done).	02:05
lardman\|home	I have some rather small numbers I want to OCR	02:06
derf	Usually you transform connected components into outlines or skeletons.	02:06
lardman\|home	ok	02:06
lardman\|home	and then how is the recog performed?	02:06
derf	Basic template matching.	02:07
lardman\|home	using what metric though?	02:07
derf	There's all kinds of metrics.	02:07
derf	You've got a bunch of line segments, you can try to do a one-to-many matching, etc.	02:07
lardman\|home	connectedness?	02:08
derf	You can take connectedness into account, sure.	02:08
derf	Or you can just rely on position.	02:08
lardman\|home	angle then? or a 2d fft?	02:08
lardman\|home	or similar	02:08
derf	Damaged text is often disconnected in places where the template would be connected.	02:08
lardman\|home	yep	02:08
derf	The 2d FFT approach assumes a common sampling.	02:09
derf	Which you generally don't have.	02:09
derf	And if you want to recognize very small characters, you'll have significant aliasing problems.	02:09
pupnik	some people here will be like pgrogramming terminator robots in 2015	02:09
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derf	But you can go a long ways just on position/orientation.	02:09
pupnik	or now	02:10
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derf	There's also "shape context" and other similar approaches.	02:10
derf	Which basically builds a histogram of the surrounding area, and uses earth mover's distance on that.	02:10
lardman\|home	hmm, I don't have much data to histogram though	02:10
derf	You don't need much.	02:11
derf	You build a separate histogram at every point on the outline.	02:11
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derf	It's similar to matching the line segments directly, but as the name implies, brings in slightly more non-local context.	02:12
lardman\|home	ok, but dropped pixels or blurred ones will interfere with that won't they?	02:12
derf	Well, sure, but the idea is that the interference with the match to the correct template will be smaller than the penalty for a match to the wrong template.	02:13
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lardman\|home	ok	02:13
lardman\|home	sounds interesting anyway	02:14
Flandry	are you working on OCR lardman, or just curious?	02:14
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lardman\|home	well I don't work on it, in fact I just need to post-process some shearography data	02:14
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crashanddie_	should we be worried? http://cms.web.cern.ch/cms/Media/CMSeye/cam4.html	02:14
lardman\|home	unfortunately it's stored in an avi, with a very small bit of text in the top left giving the freq - which is what I need to know for each frame	02:15
derf	The main problems are not in the classifier, but in everything that goes on around it.	02:15
Flandry	oh	02:15
Flandry	fun	02:15
lardman\|home	hey crashanddie_	02:15
lardman\|home	derf: I wrote a correlation based ocr system, which works ok, but not great	02:16
derf	I.e., figuring out where the lines of text are, breaking them into characters, including when characters are touching, figuring out where the word boundaries are...	02:16
crashanddie_	o/ lardman\|gone	02:16
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, if it's ending, I doubt we're going to notice it on the cam feed first. :D	02:16
Flandry	crashanddie_: better call in the doom marines	02:16
lardman\|home	derf: ah that's easy in my case, I know the spacing and char widths are constant	02:16
crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles, dunno, we might have been wrong about black holes all along	02:16
derf	The best classifiers are still only going to get you 97-98% accuracy on printed text.	02:16
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, or here http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html ;)	02:16
derf	But after that the results get fed into a language model.	02:17
crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles, I know that one :)	02:17
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crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles, just saw it on slashdot 5 minutes ago	02:17
lardman\|home	that's fine, I know how the freqs should proceed, so can process the ocr'd text to correct it if it doesn't fit in	02:17
derf	And there you can start doing very sophisticated things to improve results.	02:17
derf	Anyway, I thought Google recently open-sourced some OCR engine.	02:17
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lardman\|home	ideally I want to implement this in MATLAB	02:18
derf	Dunno how good it is.	02:18
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crashanddie_	derf, it probably dials home and sends keywords of what you're scanning	02:18
lardman\|home	I'll have a look at your histogram/earth mover idea	02:18
crashanddie_	"Hang on, why does the OCR app need socket.h?"	02:18
derf	crashanddie_: The beauty of open source.	02:19
derf	lardman\|home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_context	02:19
crashanddie_	derf, the beauty of having everyone think you're contributing to Open Source	02:19
crashanddie_	derf, newsflash: Chrome isn't Open Source	02:19
derf	I ain't saying nothing about contributing.	02:19
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derf	I'm just saying you can get the source for their OCR engine.	02:19
derf	You don't need to lecture me.	02:20
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crashanddie_	True, I just enjoy it :)	02:20
derf	Yes, but I don't.	02:20
derf	lardman\|home: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Research/Projects/CS/vision/shape/sc_digits.html has a Matlab demo.	02:20
lardman\|home	derf: cool, thanks	02:20
derf	Don't know how useful it is.	02:21
derf	(i.e., if it really includes all the code needed)	02:21
lardman\|home	I won't learn anything using someone else's code too ;)	02:21
crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles, you need to start writing about OSX	02:21
tadthebuilder	isnt chormium open source which is 90 percent of chrome?	02:21
crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles, Because: Darwin book worth up to $100,000 found on shelf	02:22
crashanddie_	tadthebuilder, the magic lies in those 10%	02:22
* Flandry wonders if using chromium and mercurial will make him go mad		02:22
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie_, shush.	02:23
tadthebuilder	i use chrome from time to time. i know it means google knows what i do, rather them thn the govt haha	02:23
crashanddie_	GeneralAntilles, I shall find you: http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20091119&t=2&i=14583449&w=450&r=2009-11-19T185021Z_01_GM1E5BH0FBH01_RTRRPP_0_MEXICO	02:23
derf	Anyway, the Google OCR engine is Tesseract: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract_(software)	02:23
derf	No idea what it uses internally.	02:23
Flandry	i don't think Google developed that anyway	02:24
Flandry	it's supposed to be pretty good iirc	02:24
derf	Flandry: No, UNLV did.	02:24
mikhas	it is	02:24
lardman\|home	hmm, I've looked at all the free ones a while back as I needed to scan some FORTRAN code in from an old thesis	02:24
lardman\|home	trying to remember which one I chose in the end	02:25
crashanddie_	anyway	02:25
crashanddie_	I'm out	02:25
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derf	Err, sorry, not UNLV, HP.	02:25
lardman\|home	cu	02:25
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lardman\|home	bed time for me, thanks for the pointers derf	02:29
lardman\|home	night all	02:29
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Shapeshifter	So, is there a way to send SMS from the command line, or at least via dbus?	02:42
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crashanddie_	lol http://kurtgreenbaumisapussy.com/	02:44
GeneralAntilles	Shapeshifter, Telepathy.	02:44
GeneralAntilles	Should be a dbus recipe for it.	02:44
Shapeshifter	GeneralAntilles: cool :)	02:45
Shapeshifter	ahh. so telepathy handles all of the communication stuff?	02:45
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah	02:45
Shapeshifter	brilliant.	02:46
Shapeshifter	and I guess gps data can also be read out from the cli?	02:46
Shapeshifter	via dbus.	02:46
Shapeshifter	mh. where would I best find the documentation on this anyway? is there some official nokia-made-apps manual stuff somewhere? I find the wiki is not really that brilliant on specific info.	02:47
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GeneralAntilles	Shapeshifter, should be in the developer docs.	02:55
GeneralAntilles	Shapeshifter, probably the wrong person to ask, though.	02:55
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Shapeshifter	GeneralAntilles: ahh, thanks.	02:57
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Shapeshifter	ah yes, liblocation.	02:59
Shapeshifter	and someone has written a python thin client. nice.	03:00
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Shapeshifter	this is all very nice.	03:00
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timeless_mbp	help	03:12
timeless_mbp	is there any reason i shouldn't use sbox in Mer?	03:12
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b-man17	hay qole :)	03:26
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qole	b-man17, hi!	03:30
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b-man17	qole: how´s your easy-debian port for the N900 going? :)	03:35
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qole	b-man17, I can't get the keyboard working in Xephyr LXDE!	03:39
b-man17	hmm	03:39
qole	The packages are in Fremantle Extras-devel, I'm just waiting for some more hackers to get the N900 to help me test	03:40
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12 knows the method.	03:41
* b-man17 is willing to test once he gets his N900 :)		03:41
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qole	(I'm on my N900 now, riding the bus home from work)	03:41
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qole	GeneralAntilles, tell me more!	03:41
timeless_mbp	should /dev/null work in sbox? :(	03:41
qole	(note I have Tab mapped now :)	03:42
b-man17	possibly	03:42
b-man17	i believe it´s linked to /dev on the host...	03:42
timeless_mbp	something tried to:	03:42
timeless_mbp	open("/dev/null", O_RDONLY\|O_NONBLOCK\|O_DIRECTORY)	03:43
timeless_mbp	and got ENOTDIR	03:43
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qole	qwerty12 pointed out that windows must ask explicitly for input focus in Maemo 5, but I can't seem to get that working for me...	03:43
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lcuk	hey qole	03:44
pupnik	.can we pipe gstreamer mpeg4 from camera to a network port	03:44
qole	lcuk, hey!	03:44
lcuk	yeah, you in your chroot and trying to get keyboard?	03:45
b-man17	have you tryed checking if /dev/null is in your scratchbox dir?	03:45
lcuk	does contacts pop up instead qole	03:45
qole	lcuk, yes, trying to get keyboard on display :1	03:45
b-man17	@timeless_mbp	03:45
lcuk	yeah practically every toolkit has had to do some mudging on m5	03:46
qole	lcuk, yeah I think I'm not grabbing the keyboard and I don't know how to do that from command line	03:46
lcuk	its not so much grabbing the keyboard	03:47
lcuk	lemme see if i can dig up the reason and code fixes put in place	03:47
lcuk	then we can see if theres a console way	03:47
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qole	lcuk, I think it is XSetInputFocus() needing to be explicitly called...	03:49
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qole	Can you do that for a gtkWindow in python?	03:49
lcuk	yeah, but someone else offered another suggestion at some point	03:49
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qole	The dead keyboard issue is the current showstopper for EasyDebian.	03:50
qole	I can get everything else working (if you are willing to be a stylus jockey)	03:51
qole	I even have a great idea for simulating the dashboard button on the top right corner in LXDE	03:52
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* qole is flashing to sales firmware tonight!		03:56
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lcuk	qole, oooh	03:57
lcuk	http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo/commit/fbf22e64599b220cf95ca90d27d0eb6cdeaa91fe	03:57
lcuk	qt caught the patch	03:57
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lcuk	but you are right its gonna be tough from within python, what app creates the root window for you? is it the python one	03:58
qole	lcuk, I found that already... http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/re-mapping_the_n900_keyboard-001/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1#0df75e68d5ab11deb701f9b9eeaa12ed12ed	03:58
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GeneralAntilles	qole, not a big upgrade.	03:59
fernando_	so, uh, hi. I just got a N800. while playing with it I noticed the file manager auto discovered my SMB shares on my computer. thing is, it only displays the public folder, and not the home folder (which would need a login)	03:59
lcuk	hehe	03:59
fernando_	is there anywhere to type a login or something?	03:59
qole	I dunno, write me a C app that opens a window and fullscreens+sets input focus, let me pass the window name as a parameter.	03:59
Flandry	What's the community interface for development on app manager?	04:00
lcuk	how do you inject yourself into the process?	04:00
Flandry	garage, bug tracker...	04:00
Flandry	?	04:00
qole	fernando_, no you cannot use the filemanager to access protected shares	04:00
fernando_	I see. shame, but thanks!	04:00
qole	lcuk, I use wmctrl to find the window ID, and the -parent param on Xephyr	04:01
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lcuk	gtk should have the fix in intrinsically	04:02
lcuk	create an empty pygtk app?	04:03
fernando_	okay, new question (:P), mime type associations in the file manager, is there a way to change those?	04:03
fernando_	as in open all .avis with mplayer, etc	04:03
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qole	fernando_, dbus-switchboard http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17757	04:06
fernando_	thanks again!	04:07
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lcuk	fernando_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15194 qole oyu get around, in this thread too	04:08
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fernando_	defaults.list in /usr/share/applications? that sounds simpler :P	04:08
lcuk	it doesnt work tho lol	04:09
fernando_	baw, lol	04:09
lcuk	:D	04:09
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lcuk	qole, not on unlimited 3g anymore?	04:10
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Flandry	ah it's on gitorious	04:14
Flandry	that was so completely obvious...	04:15
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Flandry	not	04:15
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fernando_	is it kosher to set a password for "user" or should I just stick with "root" for SSH?	04:23
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GeneralAntilles	fernando_, stick with root.	04:26
GeneralAntilles	fernando_, not sure what the status is right now.	04:26
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fernando_	alright, will do	04:26
GeneralAntilles	fernando_, on Diablo it could cause certain boot scripts to fail.	04:27
GeneralAntilles	ferdna, haven't tested it yet for Fremantle.	04:27
fernando_	not messing with it then :P	04:27
ferdna	GeneralAntilles, what is that?	04:28
GeneralAntilles	ferdna, what is what?	04:28
hotaru2k3	use public key auth, and disable root login over ssh	04:28
GeneralAntilles	http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames	04:28
ferdna	i dont know, you tell me...	04:28
fernando_	(wrong username highlight :P)	04:28
GeneralAntilles	ferdna, what are you asking about?	04:28
qole	lcuk, Canada only has 2.5 G for the N900	04:28
GeneralAntilles	Oh, oops.	04:28
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GeneralAntilles	Sorry multitasking.	04:28
fernando_	haha	04:28
ferdna	hehehhe, cool... =)	04:29
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fernando_	haha, the N800 codename is Gagarin? awesome	04:30
* fernando_ sets device name		04:30
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iDialekt	I wonder when the north American AT&T 3g maemo device is coming?	04:32
qole	iDialekt, I don't forsee an NAM version of the N900	04:34
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Flandry	we haven't seen FCC approval so: probably no time soon	04:34
iDialekt	Neither do I. Maybe the next maemo device	04:34
qole	I'm not looking forward to that device.	04:35
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qole	Capacitive screen means no stylus.	04:37
chicks\|	I really wish the n900 was usable on a network with decent 3G coverage in my area in the US	04:37
fernando_	there will never be 3g coverage in my neck of the woods, michigan, so I particularly don't mind :P	04:38
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hotaru2k3	if you want decent 3g coverage in the us you have to go cdma instead of gsm	04:39
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chicks\|	Yeah, that's why I have a crappy phone, it works on Verizon which actually has coverage at both my house and college, where as AT&T doesn't have 3G at my college and although it does at my house, for some reason inside the house I can't get AT&T signal.	04:40
chicks\|	Not to mention T-mobile just has poor coverage compared to any of the other major providers.	04:41
microlith	it wouldn't be so bad if verizon weren't cdma :/	04:42
fernando_	the whole US phone market is kinda sucky, oh well. I'm fine with just using wifi	04:42
pupnik	good call	04:43
pupnik	haha pun	04:44
chicks\|	Yeah, i'll just stick with my n810 for now. I hope verizon getso ff of CDMA and on to something else by the time my contract ends in 1.5 years.	04:44
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fernando_	lol	04:44
microlith	chicks\|: if they go LTE like everyone else, we might actually have a worldwide standard	04:44
fernando_	ah no, I get cool phones, I just don't use the data part :P	04:44
iDialekt	Almost got a droid	04:45
chicks\|	microlith: that would be great, as their network is currently working amazingly for me, but the cost of getting tethering is way to expensive	04:46
iDialekt	But couldn't ditch the apple Eco system	04:46
iDialekt	:(	04:46
iDialekt	Hard to pull away from the MobileMe and lifestyle of apple	04:46
fernando_	:(	04:46
microlith	my only problem is with nokiausa's failure of an ordering system	04:46
microlith	otherwise I might have had my N900 this week	04:46
iDialekt	I can't do tmobile . Not here	04:47
iDialekt	AT&T is the best option for gsm here	04:47
iDialekt	Verizon for CDMA	04:47
GeneralAntilles	qole, Nokia caved to the popularity pressure.	04:47
GeneralAntilles	qole, I can't believe they wouldn't go with Stantum.	04:48
iDialekt	?	04:48
GeneralAntilles	Nor that they wouldn't ship both types of touchscreens.	04:48
GeneralAntilles	Neither technology has an absolute advantage.	04:48
GeneralAntilles	So it seems quite silly to choose one or the other and alienate other customers.	04:48
GeneralAntilles	But oh well.	04:48
microlith	what is Stantum?	04:48
GeneralAntilles	Multitouch resistive.	04:48
microlith	ahh	04:48
fernando_	what about haptikos, wish that'd come back	04:49
fernando_	lol vaporware	04:49
GeneralAntilles	Yeah	04:49
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qole	GeneralAntilles, I would love a Stantum touchscreen device	04:53
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qole	Does anyone know how to make the N900 XChat notify the user?	04:54
qole	flash the LED, make a noise, anything.	04:55
fernando_	doesn't it minimize to tray (or notification area) (or whatever they call it on maemo 5)	04:55
qole	no such thing on Maemo 5	04:56
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qole	OK there is such a thing but it must be non-standard (ooh what a surprise)	04:57
fernando_	haha	04:57
fernando_	root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.	04:57
fernando_	whoops?	04:57
pupnik	n900 direct cam stream	04:58
b-man17	qole: i´m shure you could use a d-bus message ;)	04:58
fernando_	nvm, worked now	04:58
pupnik	for vlc / mplayer ... how?	04:58
qole	fernando_, Yes, I just got that report. Stop it.	04:58
fernando_	lol	04:58
qole	pupnik, use VLC on N900	04:59
lcuk	qole, i thought you enjoyed the helicopter trips for those sudo violators	04:59
GeneralAntilles	qole, there's a notification area you can install in Extras.	04:59
pupnik	nice fix on camera - pupnik report made into release maybe	04:59
lcuk	no fun if you tell them over the internet	04:59
GeneralAntilles	qole, either that or bribe qwerty12 to get a libnotify patch in.	04:59
pupnik	how stream cam?	04:59
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pupnik	there was a gstreamer hack for n810	05:00
lcuk	pupnik, you tried it in the same way as n8x0	05:00
lcuk	ie with gstreamer and stuff	05:00
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qole	v4l2, /dev/video0 for "big" camera, video1 for front facing webcam	05:00
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pupnik	but main cam	05:00
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pupnik	ohhh!	05:01
pupnik	ty!	05:01
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qole	looks like it is called hildon-systray	05:04
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qole	hildon-systray seems pretty lame tho	05:05
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qole	you click on the status area, then a button in the menu, and it shows you a dialog with the systray	05:06
fernando_	haha	05:06
qole	yeah. hahaha. :-(	05:07
fernando_	not a smart place to put a tray innit	05:08
qole	I never thought I'd say this but I miss the OS2008 interface...	05:10
lcuk	qole, at least nowadays you dont have to write a 12line shell script to view systray entries. :p	05:10
qole	lcuk, No you can pull up the systray dialog.	05:11
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lcuk	there you go	05:11
lcuk	vast improvement	05:11
lcuk	we should make use of qwertys service provider widget	05:11
lcuk	and put a real systray there	05:11
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qole	over what exactly? When have we had to write a script to look at systray entries?	05:12
qole	I'm going to go ask for a systray desktop widget.	05:12
* lcuk nods		05:13
lcuk	but like i say, qwerty wrote a hacked widget to replace the provider name	05:14
lcuk	ie one that sits next to the fremantle systray	05:14
qole	yes, I'm using it	05:14
lcuk	yeah, its a better location for systray, since it exists over all 4 desktops	05:14
qole	he just hacked the existing provider name thing.	05:14
lcuk	i thought he made a new mini widget and replaced it	05:15
qole	don't think so..	05:15
fernando_	a real tray should be visible systemwide tho, does that widget/hack replace the banner only on the desktop?	05:16
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qole	fernando_, yes, just the desktop.	05:21
fernando_	aw	05:21
lcuk	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15194 there you go qole, may provide inspiration to someone in a thread you make	05:23
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qole	My notification area is totally packed already... http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4128955395/	05:24
lcuk	damn damn vnc didnt bring it over	05:24
lcuk	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33638	05:25
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qole	hildon-systray in action!!! http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4130108152/	05:38
fernando_	rofl	05:40
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GeneralAntilles	Ah, more idiots on Talk!	05:47
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fernando_	anyone knows where to find this http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/internet-tablet-video-converter still? lol	07:02
GeneralAntilles	fernando_, it's discontinued.	07:02
GeneralAntilles	May I recommend mediautils instead, though? http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/	07:03
fernando_	nokia usually keeps discontinued apps just for archival purposes on betalabs, shame they didn't do it for that	07:03
GeneralAntilles	It may very well be somewhere	07:03
GeneralAntilles	I don't know offhand, however.	07:03
fernando_	Runs on Linux, Mac OS X, Unix and Windows PCs. ooh	07:03
fernando_	that's cool	07:03
fernando_	(I liked the official one because of the mac os version)	07:04
fernando_	aw, requires mencoder, the mplayer port file for os x is screwed up on 10.6... I did compile my own mplayer a while ago, but definitely nothing to be done after midnight :P	07:06
luke-jr	lol	07:07
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kirma	how does the charging logic on n900 choose when charger is ok?	07:12
kirma	I can't charge it from some sources that work well on other devices... does it actually require usb power budget negotiation?	07:15
pupnik	heh	07:15
pupnik	i could never charge n810 in car	07:16
pupnik	two adapters	07:16
luke-jr	...	07:16
luke-jr	pupnik: why not?	07:16
pupnik	duuno assume voltage spec too low	07:17
pupnik	or something else	07:17
luke-jr	...	07:17
pupnik	one car adapter from nokia	07:17
luke-jr	oh	07:17
luke-jr	I just use my AC adapter w/ an inverter..	07:17
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pupnik	heh, i do sometimes but two conversions bugs me	07:19
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GeneralAntilles	kirma, yes.	07:26
GeneralAntilles	kirma, dumb chargers are required to not have data pins.	07:26
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kirma	generalantilles: I guess "iphone" usb cable adapter might solve it... on dealextreme, usb-usb	07:35
iDialekt	I wonder what 4g means to CDMA customers ultimately	07:40
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fernando_	will it cause the ushering of a new era of cross compatiblity and network openness unprecedented even by god himself?!?!	07:41
fernando_	or just new marketing terms and even pricier contracts? :(	07:41
iDialekt	:( im not sure	07:42
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RST38h	"Due to the feedback and demand the N900 has got we decided to have a more polished release targeting a wider audience, even if at the cost of a later sales start. The rest is a consequence of this decision, including some of the problems you are reporting here."	07:44
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fernando_	huh?	07:45
RST38h	That is qgil responding to outcry about delays	07:45
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fernando_	ah, go him	07:45
derf	Let me get this straight. People really wanted it so they decided to delay releasing it.	07:46
RST38h	derf: A bit more complicated, I suspect	07:46
RST38h	derf: They did not expect so much interest, so they planned to release whatever they had and update later, like with previous devices	07:47
derf	RST38h: I'm not speculating on what really happened. I'm just trying to interpret the PR line they came up with.	07:47
fernando_	if it was just a couple geeks wanting it for hacking, sure, they can handle an incomplete product	07:47
fernando_	PR language is much like legalese, no one can really understand it	07:47
RST38h	derf: But got scared when they saw crowds at the gates	07:47
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RST38h	Shit, couldn't they make tracker-related stuff customizable?	07:52
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johnx	it might be, at a gconf level	07:53
johnx	mornin' all	07:54
fernando_	I've been trying for a while now with other video converter apps, and even in mplayer, stuff gets stuttery	07:54
RST38h	moo johnx	07:54
fernando_	what is the optimal settings to convert stuff for the N800? :P	07:54
fernando_	8are	07:54
fernando_	*	07:54
fernando_	I'm even making the video 800px wide so mplayer doesn't have to scale it :(	07:54
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johnx	fernando_, divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz	07:55
fernando_	that works, thanks :P	07:55
tigert	use tablet-encode	07:55
johnx	divx or xvid or whatever	07:55
johnx	but yeah, use tablet-encode	07:55
tigert	800x480 plays probably if it has low fps/bitrate	07:55
johnx	and change 100kb/s to 1000kb/s	07:55
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tigert	tablet-encode is good for this	07:56
fernando_	alright, let me try compiling mplayer again :(	07:56
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johnx	why are you compiling mplayer?	07:57
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fernando_	dont you need mencoder for tablet-encode?	07:57
fernando_	(I'm on OS X, and I'm relatively clueless about this kind of stuff, if it matters :P)	07:58
RST38h	johnx: mplayer package contains both afaik	07:58
johnx	fernando_, do you have handbrake?	07:59
fernando_	I do	07:59
fernando_	should I just try "divx avi, 400x240 or so (500x??? tops), 800-100kb/s mp3 audio @ 44100kHz" on it, instead of messing with tablet-encode?	07:59
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johnx	though I don't remember if handbrake will create an avi ...	08:00
johnx	I was sure there was some nice thing for mac os x as well, but I only use it at work...	08:00
fernando_	there was the betalabs internet tablet converter or something, can't find a download of it though :(	08:01
johnx	tablet-encode + mplayer/mencoder are probably the easiest way to get guaranteed results	08:02
johnx	it looks like there are mplayer/mencoder binaries for mac os x (second result on google)	08:03
johnx	not sure about the reputability of course	08:03
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RST38h	http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/23/ti-introduces-the-ez430-chronos-development-platform-and-spor/	08:21
RST38h	(well, it is not the tablet, but...)	08:21
johnx	wireless wha?	08:22
microlith	ok, screw the n900, I want -THAT-	08:23
microlith	lol	08:23
johnx	seriously though. bluetooth? wifi? xbee (sp?)?	08:23
RST38h	where is my dot matrix LCD with the touch screen though? and can it work as a phone? :)	08:23
microlith	wait, $49	08:24
RST38h	johnx: A moment	08:24
microlith	that's seriously tempting	08:24
RST38h	CC430 microcontroller	08:24
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RST38h	http://focus.ti.com/mcu/docs/mcucodeexnewsltrbuglist.tsp?sectionId=96&tabId=1507&DCMP=Chronos&HQS=Other+PR+chronos_developernetwork-pr	08:25
microlith	ooh	08:25
microlith	http://mspgcc.sourceforge.net/	08:25
RST38h	can I ssh to it? =)	08:26
johnx	so, some kind of proprietary wireless link it seems?	08:26
johnx	for my $50 I think I'll pick up a zipit z2. a little bigger, but infinitely more capable	08:27
* microlith looks up		08:27
microlith	oh that	08:27
johnx	http://www.openzipit.org/	08:27
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microlith	are those still hackable, or are they trying to close the holes?	08:28
RST38h	Onboard Airforce One: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_airforceone1.jpg	08:28
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fernando_	and I got tablet-encode working, thanks guys	08:28
johnx	they made a nice public statement about encouraging hackers and then based their z2 on openembedded	08:28
RST38h	(the first who says "they are watching porn" gets the title of Cpt Obvious =))	08:28
RST38h	johnx: What is wrong with OE?	08:29
microlith	johnx: that's surprising, and good	08:29
microlith	although the thought of touching bitbake is off-putting >_>	08:30
johnx	RST38h, I was saying that in contrast to closing up the hole in their first one, they formally encouraged hacking of the second one	08:30
RST38h	ah	08:30
johnx	microlith, it can boot from mini-sd out of the box it seems	08:30
johnx	kernel+debian fs = win	08:30
RXrenesis81	they're lookin at: http://bit.ly/6fGIy6	08:30
johnx	or that's my thinking at least	08:30
microlith	I'm reminded of the iOpener from years back	08:31
johnx	RXrenesis81, right. porn. wait, don't look at me like that!	08:31
microlith	where they got angry at people buying the devices sans contract and putting linux on them	08:31
RXrenesis81	O.o	08:31
RST38h	contract...	08:31
johnx	microlith, seems they encourage people to pay some monthly fee for using their "IM service" but there's no need to "activate" it or anything like that	08:32
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microlith	johnx: yeah, I didn't think there was	08:33
microlith	heh	08:34
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microlith	that watch has a whole 4KB of RAM	08:34
RST38h	and it is not an iPhone!	08:35
johnx	I think RST38h would know, but a TI-83+ has more than 4KB RAM, right?	08:36
RST38h	Of course	08:36
RST38h	lemme check	08:36
RST38h	Config says 32kB RAM	08:36
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johnx	yeah, don't think I'm gonna by a new programmable machine of any type with less RAM than the first device I hacked on...	08:37
johnx	s/by/buy	08:37
* RST38h sighs again at the Maemo6 Qt Compatibility thread		08:37
RST38h	They did it again :(	08:37
microlith	hmm?	08:37
johnx	the compatibility break? or totally mismanaged the announcement that there would be one?	08:38
RST38h	johnx: another pointless quest to create different UIs for each platform	08:38
RST38h	johnx: it is like a quest for a Holy Grail	08:39
johnx	ah, you mean symbian vs maemo? or symbian/maemo vs PC?	08:39
RST38h	yeah	08:39
johnx	the latter?	08:39
RST38h	They have already brken Gtk+ in Maemo5, now doing the same with Qt	08:39
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johnx	eh. I had really hoped there would be less hacking of qt apps to work well on the tablets	08:40
RST38h	+ I see MVC models. The moment I see MVC mentioned, with a diagram, I start worrying	08:40
RST38h	johnx: well if all goes as it should, qt apps should run on Maemo6, just look a bit less native	08:41
johnx	which is the gtk situation now	08:41
johnx	hopefully they'll look less totally out of place than vanilla gtk apps do on maemo4/5	08:41
RST38h	Maemo4 played relatively well with vanilla gtk	08:42
RST38h	There is hope Maemo6 will play ok with vanilla qt	08:42
johnx	tell me: does maemo5 play better or worse with gtk than maemo4 did? why do you think maemo6 will play nice with vanilla qt after they're done nokiafying it?	08:43
RST38h	maemo5 does not work well with vanilla gtk, unlike maemo4	08:44
RST38h	johnx: well, my guess is that it takes time to break things, they won't be able to accomplish this for maemo6 ;)	08:44
johnx	and right now we have pretty vanilla qt that does some neat auto-hildonizing. I assume it will be thoroughly "optimized" by the maemo6 launch ...	08:45
johnx	hopefully it will be able to do a lot of the tweaks automagically	08:45
RST38h	parts of maemo6 are already available from git, afaik	08:47
RST38h	johnx: http://zchydem.enume.net/?p=128 + there is a link to part II	08:47
johnx	ah good. glad part 2 is up	08:47
johnx	sorry, I'm just being pessimistic. must be monday still	08:47
RST38h	But MVC crap is really worrying	08:48
RST38h	It is what has made Symbian/S60 UI so hard to program	08:48
RST38h	Now they are transplanting it into Maemo	08:49
fernando_	Lol	08:56
johnx	why does public transit in my area suck so horribly?	08:59
johnx	an hour and a half to get 9 freaking miles? really...	08:59
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adeus	use a bike	09:10
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hcarrega	status on n900?	09:31
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pekuja	hcarrega: I hear some people have received theirs	09:32
pekuja	hcarrega: is that what you wanted to know?	09:32
hcarrega	yape	09:32
hcarrega	i pre order to	09:32
hcarrega	i will w8	09:32
hcarrega	im in europe	09:32
hcarrega	Portugal	09:32
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Myrtti	meh	09:47
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kirma	wondering if one could enforce N900 to perform non-USB-compliant charging by software from userland... probably some software hack would allow it, but how deep it would need to go...	09:49
johnx	huh? "non-usb-compliant"?	09:50
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kirma	ignore lack of charger indicator resistors and ignore lack of power budget negotiation	09:50
kirma	just draw the load from USB power wires	09:51
johnx	does it really do that? I thought any 5v line was good enough...	09:51
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jaem	morning	09:51
kirma	I think it does those, and to get USB certification, it needs to	09:51
luke-jr	kirma: hop on the "annoying free software fanatic" bandwagon with me	09:52
johnx	probably be easier to have a little external dongle that "does the right thing" and just carry that around	09:52
kirma	gf has been product manager for many of those accessories at the company, and they take things quite seriously	09:52
luke-jr	as currently all the battery-handling code is closed	09:52
jaem	does anyone know how to get in touch with Shane Bradley (sbradley) - the guy who's maintaining the libqt4-maemo5-* packages in extras-devel?	09:52
kirma	usb certification I mean	09:52
jaem	for some reason, his armel packages have an i386 qmake binary, and I have working packages I can post	09:53
luke-jr	yeah, wasn't OTG required to drop for USB charging cert?	09:53
johnx	luke-jr, no	09:53
kirma	johnx: I know it's just three resistors on correct places, but software override would be possible too	09:53
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kirma	luke-jr: yep.	09:53
johnx	kirma, where should i look in /sys for it?	09:53
kirma	well... AB connector used with OTG mandates that the device actually can provide some useful functions as a USB host	09:54
kirma	johnx: oh, I wish I knew :)	09:54
jaem	kirma, talking about hacking OTG functionality?	09:54
johnx	right, and the software wasn't there at that point, so ...	09:54
johnx	talking about charging from any plain old 5v without doing USB negotiation	09:54
jaem	johnx, ah, so that's why it doesn't work :/	09:55
kirma	the fact that the phone doesn't charge with plain USB-microusb cable from powered USB hub (disconnected from computer) strongly suggest me that it relies on negotiation when it doesn't see the "charger" resistors on data lines	09:55
johnx	I have a /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger entry that has a 0 in it right now	09:55
tigert	the device comes with the plug dongle for small plug nokia chargers	09:55
jaem	I was wondering why chargers rated at 1A didn't work	09:55
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tigert	that should take any 5v?	09:56
jaem	so the Nokia charger has Magic (TM) in it?	09:56
johnx	tigert, it does. I ... verified that :>	09:56
kirma	the same hub is ok to charge e90 with passive adapter cable	09:56
tigert	it has some kind of regulator at least	09:56
wazd	hello maemo	09:56
tigert	so maybe that would work with just plain DC	09:56
tigert	dunno, but at least that charges ok	09:57
kirma	jaem: I believe the "dumb" method is to have some resistors wired between USB lines to indicate that the device is a charger	09:57
johnx	tigert, works quite well with anything you can get to fit in either of the holes	09:57
tigert	and the old chargers dont speak any usb	09:57
kirma	"smart" way is to negotiate load	09:57
tigert	right	09:57
kirma	obviously two of these can't coexist on the same device...	09:57
tigert	there are also those diy usb charger projects	09:58
tigert	those likely have some resistors too	09:58
kirma	well, can't coexist unless designed for it in advance	09:58
* tigert has considered building one of those		09:58
timeless_mbp	what does "unable to create updated files list for package xxx: No such file or directory" mean?	09:58
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johnx	the cool thing is one could put a mini-micro converter and the required resistors in the same little converter cable	09:58
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johnx	timeless_mbp, context	09:58
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timeless_mbp	i'm trying to use apt-get install xxx in a scratchbox	09:59
timeless_mbp	but the scratchbox is broken :)	09:59
kirma	I have 10 euro battery pack from dealextreme/focalprice... which doesn't charge the phone from usb-out, but it works with usb-oldnokia + oldnokia-usb adapter combination ;)	09:59
johnx	ah, you're trying to do something useful in sb. that's your problem	09:59
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: fakeroot apt-get	09:59
timeless_mbp	yeah yeah	09:59
Jaffa	Morning all	09:59
jaem	kirma, really? For the N900?	10:00
timeless_mbp	i'm using fakeroot, i think	10:00
jaem	morning, Jaffa	10:00
timeless_mbp	ah, i'm missing /var/lib/dpkg/info	10:00
kirma	jaem: which specific part you refer by "really" ? :)	10:00
timeless_mbp	and the error message was incredibly unhelpful	10:00
jaem	heh... that might be an issue	10:00
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jaem	kirma, I have a (presumably) similar battery pack, with the same problem, and was curious as to why the adapter made it work	10:01
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jaem	also, are those the adapters that are almost impossible to get these days, or other ones?	10:01
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timeless_mbp	nice	10:02
timeless_mbp	cp: cannot create regular file `/var/backups/infodir.bak'	10:02
kirma	either the adapter is intelligent and acts as USB host and negotiates power budget (extremely unlikely) or has just couple magic resistors between USB pads (much more likely, as far as I remember it's an extension to USB spec that indicates dumb charger on the end of the cable)	10:02
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kirma	disconnected but powered usb hub doesn't work for me, neither does the battery pack directly; but cheapo chinese usb-"iphone" charger works, as well as hub when connected to computer, or the battery pack with adapter combination	10:04
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johnx	the good news is we get to piggy back off all of those usb-iphone chargers	10:05
kirma	devices that work with iphone 3GS are probably "good" ... but ones that don't claim to do so can be less certain.	10:06
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johnx	except when they're broken :)	10:07
johnx	(I wondered why someone left a "free" iphone charger on my desk at work. now I know.)	10:08
jaem	johnx, altruism?	10:08
johnx	it doesn't work :)	10:08
jaem	heh... I gathered	10:08
johnx	sometimes things that get left on my desk magically start working. and when that happens sometimes I give them back :>	10:09
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rmrfchik	damn.. in Russia the n900 price is $1k... fail.	10:22
Stskeeps	$1k? not bad	10:22
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kirma	rmrfchik: you know: there's widely spread knowledge of the fact that russia is one of those countries where higher price actually improves the customer perception of a product.	10:24
rmrfchik	fuck the perception.	10:25
kirma	at least in the eyes of the financially potential customers	10:25
rmrfchik	and nokia's price politic	10:25
rmrfchik	will buy competitor. it's sad.	10:26
kirma	regarding the chances of getting a cheap N900 with cyrillic keypad... well, that pricing is unfortunate.	10:26
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kirma	anyway, price differences between markets are not arbitary	10:27
rmrfchik	Stskeeps: moreover, the first internet shop sells on price $2.1k. But I think this just greed	10:31
johnx	heh, speaking of pricing in different markets. I hear the PS2 just (officially) made it to Brazil for the equivalent of $500USD or so	10:32
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lardman\|home	morning	10:34
lardman\|home	can items be removed from a GtkTable?	10:34
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lardman\|home	or, how can I make an empty V/HBox has zero wodth/height?	10:34
lardman\|home	s/has/have	10:35
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lardman\|home	I need to switch my screen items from horizontal to vertical to handle changes in orientation. Moving them between H/VBox containers works, but I get an ugly blak space where the empty container is	10:36
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lardman\|home	ah, gtk_container_remove	10:38
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L0cutus	re	10:40
lardman\|home	morning L0cutus	10:40
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timeless_mbp	hrm	11:02
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Stskeeps	i wonder how many times some sentence containing the words "n900" "waiting" "making" "me" "crazy" has been uttered	11:08
johnx	the people waiting for the n900 are making me crazy	11:08
Stskeeps	the device certainly has the potential to turn normally sane people into madmen :P	11:08
timeless_mbp	hrm	11:10
timeless_mbp	i object	11:10
timeless_mbp	counsel is asserting sanity of unknown people	11:10
* timeless_mbp pokes sbox until it has enough file system structure to let things install		11:10
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[dmp]	Stskeeps: That would explain why my N900 got instanity test pre-installed :-)	11:11
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hrw	morning	11:20
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timeless_mbp	bad day	11:48
timeless_mbp	my sbox doesn't like me	11:48
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timeless_mbp	the x86 sbox works fine	11:49
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Stskeeps	morning javispedro	11:59
javispedro	moo	11:59
javispedro	what a nice day	11:59
javispedro	more trolls in tmo, more excuses in the DDP...	11:59
nomis	javispedro: where do you get excuses from the DDP?	12:00
javispedro	tmo of course.	12:00
Stskeeps	javispedro: it'll be interesting to see where the FN NDA&low level stuff could lead	12:00
javispedro	specially if they're completely serious about it	12:01
javispedro	since initially I disregarded that too quickly seems	12:01
Stskeeps	if they want us to treat FN seriously, FN should treat us seriously :)	12:02
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javispedro	exactly. I want them to AIR MAIL me instead of emailing me, and they have to refer to me as "sir".	12:03
ShadowJK	fn?	12:03
ShadowJK	oh	12:03
javispedro	and spell proof their mails so I can actually learn english from them.	12:03
javispedro	;)	12:03
Stskeeps	but anyway, the weird attitudes is another step in making maemo a first degree player, also inside the company, -i think-	12:04
Stskeeps	that this fight is one that has to be taken :P	12:04
javispedro	heh, nice PoV	12:05
Stskeeps	cos you can't have two departments doing the same thing	12:05
javispedro	the issue is that it seems "it's not the same thing"	12:06
Stskeeps	yeah	12:06
Stskeeps	in denmark we have the saying there needs to be dead bodies on the table before something is done about it	12:06
Stskeeps	and i think FN/MD can learn a lot from this encounter with open source developers	12:07
Stskeeps	and hopefully in the end work out for the better :P	12:07
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javispedro	as for myself though, I don't want to fight it -- I want the device :P 1 week warranty is more than what I had with this n810 :)	12:08
Stskeeps	well, it's also a learning process for open source developers	12:09
javispedro	guess so.	12:09
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javispedro	I just hope the "not as primary device" moniker is dropped entirely.	12:11
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Stskeeps	i bought my first n800 from US, and hence no warranty.	12:11
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timeless_mbp	http://pastebin.mozilla.org/685683	12:12
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: what did i do wrong?	12:12
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: the shell looks really really messed up if it's scratchbox	12:12
timeless_mbp	it's scratchbox	12:13
Stskeeps	also, that's cs2005q3, aren't we at later version now?	12:13
timeless_mbp	there's a 'script' session	12:13
timeless_mbp	how would i know?	12:13
Stskeeps	i'm quite confident your target is malconfigured	12:14
timeless_mbp	oh sure	12:14
timeless_mbp	i had to make it from 'scratch' w/o following any directions	12:14
timeless_mbp	because the image i downloaded didn't have anything	12:14
Stskeeps	did you use the shiny installer?	12:15
timeless_mbp	i used the shiny zip that had a vmdk+vmx	12:15
timeless_mbp	what it didn't seem to have was a scratchbox	12:16
timeless_mbp	or anything else!	12:16
timeless_mbp	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	12:16
timeless_mbp	claims i want scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7	12:16
Stskeeps	you will be a lot happier if you just downloaded a ubuntu vmdk and ran the installer in there	12:16
timeless_mbp	i think i'd be happier if i installed it into your Mer	12:17
Stskeeps	might work	12:17
Stskeeps	:P	12:17
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javispedro	oh, they finally documented that vdso=2 also works	12:21
* javispedro still believes vdso=2 should be the default and not vdso=0		12:21
javispedro	well, tbh, the default should be to apply the glibc patch to sbox already dammit.	12:21
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Stskeeps	sb1 should just die	12:22
Stskeeps	:P	12:22
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ccooke	yawn Morning	12:23
javispedro	not until sb2 gets up to speed	12:24
javispedro	morn ccooke	12:24
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Ford_Prefect	Hello! Has anybody managed to get pulseaudio running on Fremantle x86?	12:27
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timeless_mbp	woohoo	12:28
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timeless_mbp	switching to cs2007 fixed it	12:29
timeless_mbp	i now have a cpa	12:29
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Ford_Prefect	Put another way, is anyone facing problems with applications not being able to resolve the symbol "eventfd"	12:29
* timeless_mbp frowns		12:30
timeless_mbp	how do i make interesting targets?	12:30
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[1]crown	hi @all i have a little Problem with the install of SDK5.0 could anybody help me? i get the following error message in both ways (.py wizard and .sh install script) failed to fetch http:// (repo) /Packages.gz with a 401 Unautorized	12:34
[1]crown	i tried to fetch the file by wget directly this works i dont know why it wont work inside the script	12:35
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tigert	you run the script as root and wget as non-root?	12:37
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tigert	root does not have http_proxy set?	12:37
[1]crown	it tells me that i shouldnt run the script as root	12:37
tigert	ah	12:37
tigert	ok	12:37
[1]crown	so i dont used root for wget and the script	12:37
tigert	which script?	12:37
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[1]crown	i have downloaded the maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sdk and he maemo-install-wizard_5.0.py	12:38
tigert	ok	12:38
qwerty12	qole: (Since you "read the IRC logs") No, I did not hack the existing operator name widget. I wrote a new one. Unlike you, I used C for this task and not some bash scripts	12:38
[1]crown	both scripts stuck at the same time	12:38
Shapeshifter	lordy chromium is fast	12:39
[1]crown	but tigert you could be right i just see the wizard needs to run under root	12:40
[1]crown	i try the install script without root again	12:40
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[1]crown	@tigert i use the maemo sdk vm	12:42
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tigert	ok	12:43
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tigert	see what the sh script is trying to do and where it fails?	12:48
tigert	I dunno what else it could be	12:48
* timeless_mbp frowns		12:48
tigert	do you need a proxy in your network etc?	12:48
* timeless_mbp tries to remember how to distinguish between armel and (intel?) from debian/rules		12:49
[1]crown	@tigert i see that i cant reach the repo when iam root (tryed sudo su and then direct opend the link in bowser	12:49
[1]crown	@tigert so how can i solve this Problem generally	12:49
timeless_mbp	DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU ?	12:49
_berto_	timeless_mbp: dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU	12:52
timeless_mbp	_berto_: from debian/rules ?	12:52
_berto_	not sure if DEB_BUILD_ARCH_CPU is defined automatically	12:52
tigert	[1]crown: sorry, I dont know the script	12:52
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tigert	[1]crown: see what it is trying to do and where it fails	12:52
_berto_	DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU ?= $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU)	12:52
_berto_	that could work	12:52
tigert	I cannot help more	12:52
* timeless_mbp sighs		12:53
[1]crown	@tigert it seems not to be a problem in the script itselve i cant reach the repository when iam root if iam not root i can download the files well	12:53
timeless_mbp	how do i get debian/rules to show me the commands it's actually running? :(	12:53
Stskeeps	it's a makefile?	12:53
timeless_mbp	that's helpful :)	12:54
_berto_	timeless_mbp: you mean which targets are called ?	12:54
timeless_mbp	_berto_: not really sure	12:55
tigert	[1]crown: do you need to use a proxy?	12:55
timeless_mbp	i'll post a deb-src someday	12:55
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timeless_mbp	dpkg-genchanges: warning: duplicate files list entry for file foo-ver_all.deb	12:56
_berto_	timeless_mbp: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html	12:59
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_berto_	the targets that are called are 'debian/rules build' and 'fakeroot debian/rules binary'	12:59
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lardman	re	13:03
Stskeeps	wb lardman, qwerty12	13:04
timeless_mbp	qwerty12: so, your cpa compiled in my stupid sbox	13:04
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qwerty12	Stskeeps: Thanks	13:04
lardman	hi Stskeeps	13:04
* timeless_mbp wonders how to get the deb to be built		13:04
qwerty12	timeless_mbp: Woo.	13:04
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lardman	I'm thinking of adding a barcode recogniser, e.g. MAEMO-INSTALL: to allow .install files to be contained in a 2D barcode. Any thoughts?	13:05
timeless_mbp	oh...	13:05
timeless_mbp	someone asked why i didn't use dpkg-trigger	13:06
timeless_mbp	the reason is that maemo doesn't support it	13:06
timeless_mbp	(seems to be a pretty good reason not to use it)	13:06
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timeless_mbp	that leads me to the "chasing my tail" path	13:08
timeless_mbp	so...	13:08
timeless_mbp	anyone understand 'apt-worker'?	13:08
timeless_mbp	is it: ham => apt-worker => dpkg => _me_	13:08
timeless_mbp	and apt-get => dpkg => _me_ ?	13:08
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lardman	also, if anyone wants a particular type of 2D barcode handled, please let me know what it is and how it should be handled	13:11
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* timeless_mbp grumbles		13:18
timeless_mbp	wait	13:18
timeless_mbp	if i call foo &	13:18
timeless_mbp	and then i die	13:18
Stskeeps	then foo might die with you	13:18
Stskeeps	:P	13:18
timeless_mbp	foo's PPID will eventually become 1	13:18
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: if i don't actively orphan it?	13:19
Stskeeps	mm	13:19
Stskeeps	it is very dirty, fwiw	13:19
Stskeeps	what are you trying to accomplish?	13:19
timeless_mbp	i need to suggest to the user that they reboot	13:19
timeless_mbp	but not until dpkg and friends finish	13:20
Stskeeps	isn't there a function for that?	13:20
timeless_mbp	triggers don't work on maemo	13:20
timeless_mbp	(tested)	13:20
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zaheerm	please test zoutube from extras-testing and vote/comment here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/zoutube/0.1-18/	13:21
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ShadowJK	heh, verkkokauppa.com screen protector seems somewhat dubious. I think it has glue	13:27
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timeless_mbp	is the n900 available there?	13:28
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Stskeeps	oh no no ..	13:28
Stskeeps	http://www.themaemo.com/taking-the-red-pill/	13:28
Stskeeps	i thought we had killed red pill by now :)	13:28
ShadowJK	timeless, 4.12 like everywhere else .fi !nokiashop	13:28
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: nope, red pill is still very important	13:29
timeless_mbp	qole++	13:30
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lardman	does red pill actually do anything now?	13:37
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timeless_mbp	it enables the install from file item	13:38
timeless_mbp	it shows packages which aren't user/ packages	13:38
timeless_mbp	it gives you settings which lets you tweak various caching bits	13:38
lardman	ah, I wondered where the install from file had gone	13:39
timeless_mbp	afaict, it hasn't been particularly neutered	13:39
zaheerm	i see maemo6 packages	13:39
lardman	but I didn't see millions of system packages like in the old days	13:39
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timeless_mbp	you probably haven't used settings to enable them	13:39
qwerty12	That's because "Show all packages" is turned off by default	13:39
lardman	ah, that may well be it	13:39
lardman	cool	13:39
lardman	thanks	13:39
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timeless_mbp	i think the default advanced might be saner than it was in the past	13:40
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Stskeeps	any here with windows 7 and flasher-3.5?	13:41
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Stskeeps	hello felbutss	13:42
felbutss	hi im working if someone can help me. i have a bricked N900	13:42
Stskeeps	felbutss: could you start with telling us where you downloaded flasher-3.5?	13:42
lardman	Stskeeps: should have a laptop with Win7 sometime this week	13:43
felbutss	i ran this command on flasher which i downloaded from maemo.org	13:43
felbutss	C:\Program Files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-1 1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R	13:43
felbutss	hey guys by the way	13:43
SpeedEvil	i assume there is also a linux flasher?	13:43
lardman	indeed	13:43
felbutss	and it keeps saying Suitable USB device not found, waiting.	13:43
lardman	felbutss: is this a production device?	13:43
felbutss	im on windows 7.	13:43
Stskeeps	felbutss: is this a 64-bit windows, by the way?	13:43
* SpeedEvil needs to actually start reading shit now his device is prolly on the way.		13:44
felbutss	yes	13:44
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lardman	felbutss: ok, that usb device not found is normal, until you plug in the device	13:44
Lynoure	felbutss: that does not sound like bricking, yet.	13:44
hrw	another question I have: maemo5 is compiled for armv7a with neon or just armv5te like it was in past?	13:44
lardman	felbutss: you attaching it to the root hub?	13:44
Stskeeps	hrw: armv7a	13:44
Stskeeps	felbutss: do you have a non-64 bit windows by chance?	13:45
felbutss	ill try that again. just a sec. ps: this is so stresful	13:45
hrw	Stskeeps: thx	13:45
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Stskeeps	felbutss: hehe, it's like your pet being sick :)	13:45
hrw	Stskeeps: so finally someone updated qemu in sbox?	13:45
Stskeeps	hrw: yeah	13:45
Stskeeps	felbutss: i think the problem is that flasher-3.5 does not work on 64-bit windows	13:46
felbutss	it is lol been waiting so long for this thing	13:46
felbutss	ye i thought soo. dammm need to find a xp machine	13:46
lardman	or a Linux box ;)	13:46
Lynoure	felbutss: Or linux live cd?	13:46
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felbutss	brb guys im going to work. ill try it on their machines	13:46
felbutss	see ya in 10	13:47
Stskeeps	felbutss: the good news is that your device is probably not dead :)	13:47
Stskeeps	k	13:47
felbutss	i hope so	13:47
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SpeedEvil	Is there a pedometer app?	13:47
lardman	SpeedEvil: no, but would be interesting	13:47
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lardman	hey javispedro	13:47
javispedro	hiyo lardman	13:48
SpeedEvil	I clipped my pedo to my boot, and lost it.	13:48
lardman	I've not looked at the raw accelerometer data, but should be easy enough to stick something together assuming the steps can be detected	13:49
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javispedro	note that, at least on vista, command line windows in admin mode do clearly say so in the title bar	13:49
SpeedEvil	yeah. It's lots easier if you stick it to your ankle - but not hard even if not.	13:49
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SpeedEvil	What's the 'always on' - running with low CPU usage battery life I would wonder though.	13:50
lardman	depends how ninja-like your steps are ;)	13:50
javispedro	ouch, I've been late :P	13:50
SpeedEvil	Well - that too.	13:50
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lardman	well it will last all day, certainly longer than I'll be walking	13:50
lardman	I imagine	13:50
lardman	not sure of the exact draw of the accelerometers	13:51
SpeedEvil	lardman: a miliamp or so, based on similar data.	13:51
lardman	plus the extra processor use	13:52
SpeedEvil	Zero.	13:52
lardman	but if it's a mA, that sounds not very much	13:52
SpeedEvil	Well - it should be	13:52
lardman	cpu will need to wake to read the hw	13:52
SpeedEvil	yes, I suppose I need to find the docs for the hw and read it. I've been putting off doing that until my order was confirmed.	13:53
lardman	derf: good that wikipedia page on shape matching, thanks	13:53
lardman	SpeedEvil: reading the accelerometer is quite easy, it's in the wiki	13:54
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SpeedEvil	reading the accel is quite easy - yes.	13:54
lardman	SpeedEvil: you should be able to put together an app in about 10min, using python for example	13:54
SpeedEvil	I was more meaning working out if the current current draw is optimal, based on fundamental hardware limitations.	13:54
SpeedEvil	Or if it's software in any aspect.	13:54
lardman	I'd just test and see	13:55
SpeedEvil	for example - going through an interrupt handler and doing pedometer in kernel is going to be cheaper than doing it with dbus+python.	13:55
hrw	other question: as maemo5 is more or less based on Debian 'lenny' does it accept packages from it (when deps are fullfilled)?	13:55
lardman	hmm, my headphone indicator is not showing up, even tho noise is going through them....	13:56
javispedro	hrw: they won't be optified, but of course, deps fullfilled is enough for any package to be accepted.	13:58
Stskeeps	hrw: i think it's still fairly etch based, but who knows..	13:59
Stskeeps	:P	13:59
hrw	javispedro: personally I do not care about optify - will find out a way D:	13:59
lardman	hrw: what do you want to install?	13:59
javispedro	and of course most GUI packages will fail to appear on the menu	13:59
hrw	javispedro: maemo5 do not have menu. it just have crappy launcher	13:59
hrw	lardman: time will show	14:00
hrw	lardman: no device, no installing	14:00
lardman	ah, yes	14:00
hrw	lardman: and sdk image nearly collapsed when I installed half of extras in it	14:00
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fiferboy	hi all	14:01
Stskeeps	heya fiferboy	14:01
hrw	Stskeeps: maemo community team should get nokia to sponsor proper autobuilder based on Debian builder.	14:01
lardman	hi fiferboy	14:01
hrw	Stskeeps: now extras contain packages which are not installable due to lack of deps	14:01
lardman	fiferboy: how's fiferbaby 2.0?	14:01
fiferboy	hi lardman, stskeeps	14:02
Stskeeps	hrw: we are from Mer side pushing OBS personally	14:02
fiferboy	lardman, asleep in my arms now	14:02
lardman	gentle typing	14:02
fiferboy	I thought I would try to catch up with things, but talk is hopeless	14:02
Jaffa	Stskeeps: What packages in Extras aren't installable?	14:03
Jaffa	s/Stskeeps/hrw/	14:03
infobot	Jaffa meant: hrw: What packages in Extras aren't installable?	14:03
hrw	Stskeeps: for me it can be even using qemu under qemu under qemu and all on 386sx with 2MB ram as long as result will be proper feeds	14:03
hrw	Jaffa: let me run vbox	14:04
fiferboy	anything big going on lately?	14:04
lardman	I've managed to get mbarcode into extras-devel	14:04
lardman	not done anything with emerillon	14:04
lardman	so not really :)	14:05
hrw	lardman: 'mbarcode' because it is 'maemo barcode'?	14:05
Stskeeps	oh dear	14:05
Stskeeps	qwerty12 and qwertyberty on t.m.o	14:05
Stskeeps	this is going to get complicated	14:05
Stskeeps	:P	14:05
* w00t_ blinks		14:05
Stskeeps	both from UK	14:06
Stskeeps	:P	14:06
lardman	hrw: yeah, and not allowed to use maemo in the name	14:06
hrw	lardman: if your app is onl for maemo platform then what sense is in adding 'm' to name?	14:07
hrw	if I will write modplayer then it will be hmqmodplay	14:07
fiferboy	it is weird not doing any programming for so long	14:07
hrw	to follow naming of other devs	14:07
lardman	hrw: who knows	14:08
derf	lardman: Yer welcome.	14:08
hrw	so instead of just 'Module player' it will be 'Hrw M.emo Qt Module Player'	14:09
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fiferboy	time to go put the baby down	14:09
lardman	hrw: yeah I understand, but decided not to name it after a noun	14:09
lardman	or something ;)	14:10
fiferboy	later all	14:10
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lardman	cu fiferboy	14:11
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hrw	heh.. sbox do not have killall command	14:12
Stskeeps	sb-conf	14:14
hrw	Jaffa: fmradio deends on n900-fmtx-enabler which is not installable	14:15
adeus	be carefull with your kills inside the scratchbox	14:15
adeus	host processes are visible :)	14:15
hrw	Stskeeps: I did configured it for fremantle-x86 already	14:16
hrw	adeus: I know	14:16
hrw	adeus: and I use crapbox inside of vbox	14:16
adeus	good	14:16
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Stskeeps	hrw: sb-conf has a kill all processes in target thing	14:16
adeus	yeah that's handy	14:17
hrw	and I love SBOX/etc/resolv.conf not being used for dns	14:17
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hrw	whoever created crapbox had some nice weed to smoke	14:18
hrw	if I do 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' INSIDE of sbox then it should show me what it uses for dns - right?	14:18
Stskeeps	or cat /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf	14:19
hrw	Stskeeps: they are different files	14:19
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derf	cat /etc/resolv.conf inside sb should just show 127.0.0.1	14:22
hrw	~hail @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk	14:22
* infobot bows down to @####$@#$@ who killed tab cycle in maemo5 gtk and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"		14:22
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felbutss	hey guys	14:22
Stskeeps	welcome back felbutss	14:22
felbutss	just got to work	14:22
derf	(which is users/<user>/targets/<target>/etc/resolv.conf)	14:22
felbutss	i prlug it in and it vibrats and the yellow light comes on, then i see nokia on the screen really faint with no back light	14:23
felbutss	its like the firmware is half there. then it keeps restarting	14:23
lardman	did it flash?	14:23
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felbutss	suitible usb device now found	14:23
felbutss	suitible usb device not found	14:24
Stskeeps	felbutss: how was the battery state before this happened?	14:24
felbutss	about 20%	14:24
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Stskeeps	OK, did you bring your USB wall charger?	14:25
felbutss	shit	14:25
felbutss	no	14:25
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felbutss	lol	14:25
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felbutss	ok ill have to do it at my mates house now	14:25
Stskeeps	one reason why it might not flash may be due to low battery	14:25
felbutss	so u think i should charge it first	14:25
Stskeeps	it's a safety thing	14:25
Stskeeps	basically leave it in charger for a while, even if it continues rebooting	14:25
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felbutss	ok good point. very good point	14:26
felbutss	ill go home now and charge it. ill let u guys know how i went in the morning	14:26
Stskeeps	also, where do you plug in the usb cable?	14:26
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Stskeeps	in a usb port or directly in the PC?	14:26
Stskeeps	err, usb hub	14:26
guysoft_nokia	hey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it?	14:26
felbutss	in the back	14:26
felbutss	not the hub	14:26
Stskeeps	ok, good	14:26
lardman	even in the back it might be thro an internal hub	14:26
lardman	so you might need to switch the socket you use	14:26
felbutss	the battery really could be flat. makes sense. im just so panaking	14:27
felbutss	ok ill try that now brb	14:27
Stskeeps	felbutss: don't worry about it :) it's a managable problem for sure	14:27
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Stskeeps	you did everything by the book it seems, so	14:27
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guysoft_nokia	anyone uses here gpe calendar?	14:28
Stskeeps	felbutss: good luck with it - just come and poke me here when you have it more charged	14:30
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tekojo	Hi, could someone check if they can run apt-get update in a Fremantle scratchbox environment	14:31
tekojo	preferrably outside Finland	14:31
hrw	Jaffa: extras-devel contains uninstallable stuff	14:32
hrw	Jaffa: abus-frabs depends abuse which is missing	14:32
hrw	apt-file, barrage, dfontmgr, aisleriot-card-theme-paris etc...	14:32
felbutss	ye im trying it on a diferent machine. still no luck. might need the wall charger. will it charge no matter the state of the firmware?	14:33
hrw	doc-base is required for few packages and is not available	14:33
Stskeeps	tekojo: i have issues	14:33
Stskeeps	felbutss: yes, the bootloader helps charging a little	14:33
felbutss	ok. im off home then. fingers crossed for the morning	14:34
felbutss	thanks for ur help stskeeps	14:34
tekojo	Stskeeps 401 ?	14:34
felbutss	if it works i o u	14:34
Stskeeps	tekojo: jabber	14:34
Stskeeps	felbutss: nah, just help out other people that has similar problems, and i'm happy :)	14:34
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felbutss	cya	14:34
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guysoft_nokia	hey all, gpe calendar on my nokia n810 stopped resolving google calendars. is there anythinhg worng with it? (repost)	14:39
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cenwesi	hello	14:49
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Davide	OMG where is my N900!!!!!!!!!	15:03
Davide	ZOMG!!!!	15:03
lardman	I just saw one fall past the window, perhaps it was yours?	15:04
Davide	aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah	15:05
Davide	why didn't you catch it!!!!!!	15:05
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lardman	already got one	15:05
Myrtti	Davide: how about you have a cup of chill	15:05
lardman	don't want to be greedy	15:05
Davide	lol Myrtti	15:05
Davide	Myrtti, do you have an N900?	15:06
Myrtti	no, I'	15:07
Myrtti	m waiting for the prices go down a bit	15:07
Davide	I would have paid more to have it a month ago!	15:08
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Myrtti	and you are paying exactly how much now?	15:09
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Davide	$529 hopefully - $50 rebate = $479 USD	15:14
Myrtti	hm?	15:14
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Myrtti	and the prices here are currently around 830 USD, withtout rebates	15:14
Myrtti	so, while you'll be prepared to pay more, I'll just wait here patiently, thank you very much.	15:15
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toggles_w	Davide: apparently newegg is going to hav 10% off tomorrow bringing base price to $504 - $50 rebate, $455 or so..	15:17
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toggles_w	Davide: http://gizmodo.com/5409755/newegg-black-friday-deals-leak	15:18
SpeedEvil	I think I end up at $444 - once my final rebate comes through.	15:18
toggles_w	no idea if it's actually true though but $450 is ok	15:18
SpeedEvil	Which isn't bad. :)	15:19
Davide	thanks...	15:19
Davide	my problem is with newegg I pay taxes here in California	15:19
Davide	with amazon I dont	15:19
Davide	so its still a little cheaper with amazon, but most of all	15:19
Davide	I don't want to delay the shipment any longer	15:19
toggles_w	yeah, i'm on the amazon list too	15:19
SpeedEvil	You pay taxes either way, you mean, you just have to remember to pay them one way you mean.	15:19
Davide	has newegg started shipping?	15:19
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toggles_w	wonder when they will ship	15:19
Davide	SpeedEvil, riiiiiiite	15:20
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Davide	let me rephrase	15:20
SpeedEvil	:)	15:20
Davide	with Amazon I can evade the IRS... with newegg I have to pay the taxes	15:20
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SpeedEvil	That includes VAT at 17.5% - for me.	15:20
SpeedEvil	I wonder what's involved in setting up my own fake company.	15:20
glass_	filling a form	15:20
toggles_w	SpeedEvil: you in the (y)UK?	15:20
SpeedEvil	(vat registered)	15:20
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Davide	is newegg shipping?	15:20
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: yes	15:20
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: actually.	15:21
* SpeedEvil checks.		15:21
toggles_w	SpeedEvil: where did you get it and are you locked into a contract?	15:21
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: yes, house hasn't been moved.	15:21
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: nokia.co.uk - with no contract - with several voucher codes.	15:21
toggles_w	i'll be in London thursday, if i can buy one cash for that price i might cancell newegg	15:21
Davide	toggles_w, do you have any info on when anazon is shipping?	15:21
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: You can't	15:21
toggles_w	Davide: nope, sorry	15:21
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: it was a one-off - expiring Oct 21	15:21
toggles_w	SpeedEvil: blah.. you're a tease	15:21
Davide	Dell is shipping I read!	15:21
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: you can today get IIRC 15% off only.	15:22
Davide	shoulda gone with dell!	15:22
Davide	toggles_w, when did you order from amazon?	15:22
toggles_w	yeah, saw that yesterday	15:22
toggles_w	about a week ago, then reordered on sunday when they dropped the price again	15:22
Davide	you dont have to do that when they drop the price they'lll just adjust it	15:23
Davide	I'm afraid of re-ordering	15:23
toggles_w	yeah, i wasn't sure	15:23
Davide	I ordered on Oct. 17th	15:23
Davide	and I might not get the rebate cause of that	15:23
toggles_w	reorder! ;-)	15:23
Davide	but I"m afraid of re-ordering cause I don't want to lose my spot	15:23
SpeedEvil	(however - I am planning on eventually getting a contract which will work out - if it goes right - 'free'.)	15:23
SpeedEvil	(through rebates)	15:23
toggles_w	i'm sure it's ship date not order date	15:23
Davide	idk I hope so	15:23
Davide	I called nokia and they seemed to think it was the order date	15:24
Davide	idk	15:24
toggles_w	order another and ship it back ;-)	15:24
Davide	I dont care anyomre just want the damn thing	15:24
Davide	thought about that too	15:24
Davide	that means I cant open this one if it arrives first	15:25
Davide	lol	15:25
auenf	just accidentaly ship it to me	15:25
zaheerm	SpeedEvil, 15% in uk for a little while :)	15:26
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SpeedEvil	zaheerm: oh - true.	15:26
toggles_w	nokia.co.uk?	15:26
zaheerm	15% vat	15:27
SpeedEvil	toggles_w: yes - me.	15:28
toggles_w	still works out to 415UKP or ~USD670, little much	15:29
toggles_w	i'll spend my money at the borough markets	15:30
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blwwar	hi	15:44
blwwar	is maemo based on OO	15:44
Stskeeps	err.	15:45
Stskeeps	parse error, please restate your question :)	15:45
CShadowRun	OO...OpenOffice?	15:45
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CShadowRun	Whatever OO is, no. It's based on Debian :P	15:45
blwwar	object oriented	15:46
lardman	it's not C atm no	15:47
lardman	C++ even	15:47
blwwar	then what is it	15:48
Stskeeps	GObject may be consider OO..	15:48
lardman	I guess so	15:48
blwwar	what language is it programmed in	15:48
lardman	blwwar: your question doesn't really make much sense you know	15:48
lardman	blwwar: mixture of asm, c for the most part, tho you can program in whatever lang you want	15:48
blwwar	ooh in C?	15:49
blwwar	and asm	15:49
blwwar	wow	15:49
lardman	it is Linux after all	15:49
blwwar	whats this thing abaout it being debian based?	15:49
lardman	the maemo ui stuff is in C, but is moving to Qt, which therefore means C++	15:49
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lardman	it's based on debian....	15:51
lardman	uses the same tools, .deb files, apt-get, etc, etc	15:51
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blwwar	ah ok	15:54
blwwar	so this is something of a debian project?	15:54
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lardman	no	15:54
blwwar	ah k	15:55
blwwar	but wow asm and c	15:55
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blwwar	thats gotta be fast	15:55
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lardman	blwwar: Linux is written in C and ASM	15:55
lardman	it is Linux	15:55
blwwar	right	15:55
lardman	a Linux which is based on Debian, with a UI called maemo	15:55
lardman	which is written in C	15:56
blwwar	ah	15:56
lardman	using GTK+	15:56
blwwar	ok	15:56
lardman	but which will move to using Qt	15:56
blwwar	so isnt android partly based on linux ytoo?	15:57
lardman	yes, Linux is actually only the kernel	15:58
zaheerm	blwwar, it has a linux kernel	15:58
zaheerm	blwwar, but that is it	15:58
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blwwar	ok	15:59
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adeus	well...	15:59
adeus	maemo is based on debian	15:59
adeus	..with a ui fw called hildon	16:00
lardman	ah yes	16:00
adeus	and Hildon is a set of GTK extensions	16:00
blwwar	so whats the objective?	16:00
blwwar	primary objective	16:00
blwwar	be fast?	16:00
lardman	be useful on a phone	16:00
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blwwar	well most phones are	16:01
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blwwar	android is , iphone is	16:01
lardman	is what?	16:01
blwwar	whats going to be different about maemo	16:01
blwwar	useful	16:01
yuizy	open source	16:01
lardman	no, you asked what maemo's was goal was	16:01
blwwar	will the phones be equipped with a cam ?	16:01
lcuk	compatibility with desktop level libraries (and to some degree uis too)	16:01
lcuk	2 cameras	16:02
blwwar	k	16:02
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lcuk	go read http://maemo.nokia.com :)	16:02
glass_	blwwar: main differences philosophically with android: native apps are encouraged. main difference with iphone: you don't need apple	16:02
glass_	nor appstore shenigans	16:03
blwwar	will maemo come with a kill switch too?	16:03
lardman	if you hit someone really hard with it	16:03
glass_	if you let someone to rm -rf	16:04
glass_	dunno why would	16:04
vesa	you can kill processes =P	16:04
lcuk	glass_, "would you like a hannah montana screensaver with that?"	16:04
lardman	what's a kill switch?	16:04
blwwar	well	16:04
blwwar	what i mean is	16:04
cenwesi	does any one have any info on when Newegg will recieve and start shipping?	16:04
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blwwar	android said you could install watever apps	16:04
glass_	lcuk: hannah montana screensaver done in flash	16:04
blwwar	only later to find out they had a kill switch	16:04
derf	cenwesi: Yes. Someone does.	16:04
lardman	hmm, I see	16:04
blwwar	if they wanated to they could use the kill switch to erase your app	16:04
blwwar	or something of that degree	16:04
blwwar	it made big headlines im sure you all know	16:04
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lcuk	blwwar, only because they removed 1984 or something	16:05
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blwwar	whats 1984	16:05
lardman	they can remotely remove apps from your Android phone?	16:05
blwwar	yeah	16:05
blwwar	it came in the newqs	16:05
lcuk	ahhh hang on, that was kindle	16:05
blwwar	and they were like " all phones have it but they dont admit to it"	16:05
lcuk	im getting my digital overlords mixed up	16:05
glass_	they can remotely decide to do anything with your android, provided you install their updates	16:05
lardman	blwwar: service messages you mean?	16:06
VDVsx	discovered this pearl via qgil post about ovi.sore: http://store.ovi.com/content/77A1756EAB12B3EFE040050A87320E87?clickSource=search	16:06
VDVsx	ifart is doomed :P	16:06
blwwar	i dont remember what exactly	16:06
cenwesi	derf who?	16:06
blwwar	they called it a kill switch	16:06
lardman	I'm thinking about the implemention	16:06
lardman	specifically with reference to their comment about every phone having the ability	16:06
blwwar	so like	16:06
lcuk	VDVsx, you seen the vid/pic of someone with iphone with multiple pages of fart apps	16:06
blwwar	for support	16:06
lcuk	long way to go yet	16:06
glass_	blwwar: anyhow, with maemo, you don't need appstore-someone-else-manages-your-apps shit, unless you want	16:06
blwwar	on maemo	16:06
blwwar	we come here?	16:07
VDVsx	lcuk, no, lol	16:07
blwwar	or mail nokia i suppose?	16:07
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lcuk	lemme just see	16:07
suihkulokki	who's going to do the first fart app for maemo?	16:07
lcuk	blwwar, depends on app source and stuff, usually theres support channels of some variety, whether it be bugtrackers or something	16:07
lcuk	well khertan already made light sabre and of course moobox exists	16:07
lcuk	so you could just change the pic and sounds	16:08
lcuk	and have fun	16:08
VDVsx	lcuk, that one is very advanced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZNp65QWv8	16:08
blwwar	ok	16:08
lcuk	suihkulokki, we need a doorbell widget	16:08
blwwar	no i mean issues with the phone besides hardware	16:08
glass_	panic button widget	16:08
blwwar	i'd be looking at support from maemo right	16:08
glass_	i a big button that would erase all your data	16:08
blwwar	for the n900	16:08
lcuk	just a simple pic and a sound when pressed	16:08
lcuk	so kids can make variations without needing tonnes of knowledge	16:09
lcuk	it should be autopackagable and use khertans pypackager as well	16:09
lcuk	so you can download a "fart making app"	16:09
lcuk	and make as many as you want	16:09
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zaheerm	VDVsx, i updated the travel part for bcn long weekend, just check if it makes sense to you pls	16:09
lcuk	all configured correctly to pass the -testing criteria	16:10
VDVsx	zaheerm, let me see :)	16:10
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lcuk	are we arranging our own travel for long weekend or waiting for the .fi agency as usual?	16:10
zs	can I install latest maemo sdk on 64-bit architecture?	16:10
zaheerm	VDVsx, i replaced the fixmes that i added last week	16:10
zaheerm	lcuk, the fi agency already booked my flights	16:10
VDVsx	lcuk, me too	16:11
Ford_Prefect	Is libOMX_Core.so supposed to be available on the x86 part of the SDK?	16:11
lcuk	i best look back through my list then :S ive been a bit sidetracked gettin job	16:11
VDVsx	zaheerm, sound good, thanks :)	16:11
VDVsx	*sounds	16:12
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serenity	hi	16:25
t_s_o	hmm, so no warranty on discount devices...	16:26
serenity	is there a possibility to use the fm-transmitter for telephoning?	16:26
zaheerm	VDVsx, i should put a link to a google map from cornella station to the hotel i guess	16:26
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Jaffa	hrw: Does it give a reason as to why n900-fmtx-enabler is not installable? (apt-get might give more info)	16:31
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hrw	Jaffa: that was all what it said	16:34
hrw	and I shutdowned that vbox	16:34
pillar	is there no unrar for maemo?	16:34
pillar	I can find unzip from extras-devel, but couldn't find anything mentioning rars	16:35
wazd	RST38h: ping	16:38
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lardman	hmm, just received a message from maemo.org about mbarcode, just containing a comment	16:43
lardman	hmm, never realised apps have their own pages	16:46
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mgedmin	pillar, unrar 1:3.5.4-1 exists in extras-devel	17:00
mgedmin	for fremantle	17:00
pillar	mgedmin hmm I wonder why I didn't see it then	17:00
pillar	thanks for the info	17:00
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Stskeeps	pillar: command line application, so not in user/	17:01
Stskeeps	apt-get would get it	17:01
pillar	ok	17:01
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tigert	sigh, always this problem with extras-devel	17:03
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tigert	..and now it worked again once i whined about it	17:03
* mgedmin uses command-line just because app manager is soooo slooow		17:03
pillar	now I found it, but when trying apt-get install unrar it says unauthorized	17:04
tigert	some mirror being broken?	17:04
tigert	hah	17:04
tigert	apt-get install anarchism	17:05
tigert	sounds scary :)	17:05
tigert	apt-get life ;)	17:05
Stskeeps	pillar: there's a export filter problem on repositories right now	17:05
pillar	Stskeeps: I thought something might be going on - in app manager I kept receiving this failed error even on testing	17:06
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mgedmin	pillar, it _always_ says unauthorized, dunno why nobody ever set up package signing properly for maemo	17:06
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lardman	it was removed wasn't it as it annoyed people	17:08
DocScrutinizer	in case anybody cares: Nokia Germany starts shipping preorders tomorrow, express first	17:08
sjaensch_	mgedmin: there seems to be a problem with the repositories right now, at least for me. maybe that is what pillar is seeing? check out http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz	17:08
Ford_Prefect	It was weird - I got a 401 quoting an IP that wasn't mine	17:08
sjaensch_	mgedmin: I'm getting a 401 (not authorized)	17:08
sjaensch_	that used to work	17:08
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Stskeeps	Ford_Prefect: that's the mirror's	17:08
mgedmin	ah, that 401	17:08
mgedmin	sorry, I misunderstood	17:08
pillar	yep that's what I'm getting as well	17:08
tigert	yea repos doen for me too	17:08
tigert	401, ditto	17:09
Ford_Prefect	Hum, worked for me after a while	17:09
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Ford_Prefect	Think I might have logged off and logged back in	17:09
pillar	now it worked for me	17:09
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VDVsx	jeremiah, ping	17:10
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hrw	bye	17:11
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wazd	ok, I'm out to the nokia meetup	17:15
Stskeeps	have fun	17:16
wazd	Stskeeps: I think it's gonna look like a tragedy for me :D	17:16
Stskeeps	depends on who's there :P	17:16
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wazd	Stskeeps: I really hope they invited some genuine maemo guy, not just some russian PR manager	17:17
wazd	Stskeeps: that measures built-in memory in songs and DVD-quality movies :D	17:17
DocScrutinizer	lol	17:17
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lardman	bmidgley: are you about?	17:20
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Juzna	is it possible to use latin9 with xterm somehow?	17:29
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zaheerm	VDVsx, thx for the bug report :)	17:32
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VDVsx	zaheerm, also the play/pause buttons seems a bit blurred, you're using stock icons right ?	17:33
zaheerm	VDVsx, yep	17:33
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zaheerm	VDVsx, i have experimental code here that changes the playing ui to be more like the media player one	17:34
zaheerm	but not all hooked up etc.	17:34
VDVsx	zaheerm, I've seen other apps in the same issue	17:34
VDVsx	maybe a bug or maybe there some other way to use the icons	17:34
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zaheerm	could be	17:35
VDVsx	zaheerm, did you tried to increase the video size ? looks bad ?	17:36
zaheerm	VDVsx, ?	17:36
zaheerm	VDVsx, i just made it appear in the size of the widget, so yes it resizes but it should preserve aspect ratio	17:37
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VDVsx	zaheerm, forget, I tried with a video that has black bar on the sides, lol	17:38
VDVsx	zaheerm, another feature request, probably you've it implemented yet :p	17:39
VDVsx	the controls should be add when you tape the screen	17:39
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zaheerm	VDVsx, yes that is in my experimental code	17:39
VDVsx	S/should be/ should be hided /	17:39
zaheerm	ie full screen by default, video full screen, controls come over the video when screen is tapped and then after a timeout of inactivity they go away	17:40
VDVsx	zaheerm, exactly :)	17:40
zaheerm	yep that i am working on	17:40
VDVsx	:)	17:41
zaheerm	maybe something that could be given some thought in barcelona	17:41
zaheerm	with some ux guys to suggest what would work best	17:41
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lcuk	zaheerm, pics	17:44
zaheerm	lcuk, pics?	17:44
lcuk	of your app and ui and stuff	17:44
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zaheerm	well the current released app you can install from extras-testing	17:45
zaheerm	and play with it	17:45
zaheerm	here is package page: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/zoutube/0.1-18/	17:45
zaheerm	the experimental code is horribly broken currently :)	17:45
lardman	does it open YouTube videos?	17:46
zaheerm	so can't really show pics of that	17:46
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zaheerm	lardman, yep it is a youtube browser	17:46
pupnik_	did you see the fast forest scene using volumetric billboarding?	17:46
lardman	do you accept dbus requests?	17:46
pupnik_	sorry wrong paste	17:46
zaheerm	lardman, no but i can add that in without much trouble i think	17:47
lardman	just that some barcodes can contain youtube://id data	17:47
zaheerm	lardman, yah no worries, can do that pretty easily i think	17:47
lardman	so was thinking what app should handle that	17:47
lardman	ok, no rush though, still other things to get sorted too :)	17:48
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dmj726	hehe, was just going to let you know that it's broken	17:48
lardman	what's that?	17:48
dmj726	zoutube	17:49
lardman	ah, not me then	17:50
zaheerm	dmj726, it is? :)	17:50
* lardman goes back to work		17:50
zaheerm	dmj726, what's broken in it?	17:50
zaheerm	and are you using the latest version in extras-testing?	17:50
dmj726	it seems to get stuck loading the video	17:51
dmj726	yeah...latest version in it's either testing or devel	17:51
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dmj726	When I click to load a video it freezes	17:52
zaheerm	dmj726, on n900 or scratchbox?	17:52
dmj726	scratchbox	17:52
dmj726	I don't have an n900 yet	17:52
VDVsx	qwerty12, with your new app name we've the full set :P lol	17:52
zaheerm	dmj726, if you run it with: run-standalone.sh /opt/zoutube/zoutube can you paste me the stdout in a pastebin	17:53
qwerty12	VDVsx: Blame thp :P	17:53
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VDVsx	Modest Petrovich Mussorgsky lol	17:53
derf	Haha.	17:53
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Juzna	umm	17:54
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Juzna	n900 has only utf8 charsets compiled?	17:54
nomis	Juzna: what do you mean?	17:55
Robot101	non-utf8 is loss	17:55
bilboed-pi	omg, no utf16 ! we're doooomed	17:55
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Juzna	id prefer latin9 currently	17:56
bilboed-pi	maemon not compatible with 1990's windows software	17:56
Juzna	or it would be nice have proper charset with ssh	17:56
Ceron^	thats why Juzna prefers windows mobile!	17:56
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Robot101	if your ssh is broken, its because your remote end is broken	17:56
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Robot101	it's 2009, unicode has been around for a looooong time	17:56
Ceron^	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat use this on your maemo!	17:57
Robot101	phone your sysadmin and tell them to toughen up	17:57
Juzna	:D	17:57
Juzna	yes but it aint a solution	17:57
Robot101	patch maemo-xterm to support other encodings then	17:57
Robot101	vte probably supports it	17:57
benno2	hi, I have a N810. does anyone know how I can set the speaker volume to maximum using a script ? thanks.	17:57
Robot101	you don't need the locale on your device to decode terminal output differently	17:57
Robot101	but really, where are you SSHing to? the 70s?	17:58
Juzna	sweet 80s	17:58
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pupnik_	Enigma is a "perfect" marble game for N900	17:58
Robot101	don't you need an x3270 terminal emulator?	17:58
Robot101	you could be the first mainframe sysadmin from your N900	17:58
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dmj726	Heh...now I'm confused	17:59
dmj726	zaheerm: it was totally freezing up not 5 minutes ago.	17:59
pupnik_	we couldn run the ibm z-series emu on N900	17:59
dmj726	Perhaps the restart of scratchbox fixed it.	17:59
pupnik_	whats it called	18:00
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zaheerm	dmj726, lol	18:03
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zaheerm	dmj726, if you reproduce it let me know	18:03
dmj726	sorry to waste your time there!	18:03
dmj726	...yeah it might've been some weirdness between my bastardtube and your zoutube	18:04
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dmj726	...nope that's not it	18:06
dmj726	...fyi bastardtube is just zoutube with a bastardized gui	18:07
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Stskeeps	heya qole	18:19
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qole	Stskeeps, hey	18:20
Stskeeps	how's it going?	18:20
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qole	heading off to work...	18:21
Stskeeps	hehe :P i'm never really sure when i'm at work these days	18:21
qole	on the bus, restoring my N900 from the full reflash I gave her last night...	18:22
qole	I miss your style of job, working from home	18:22
Stskeeps	i like it occasionally but i don't get to use my n900 so much as a mobile device :P	18:23
AdmiralUD	could anybody provide some pointers on where to look for APIs to access SMS information in maemo5 (n900)?	18:23
Stskeeps	qole: btw, weird idea i had.. it should technically be possible to grab open source .deb packages of diablo, drop them in a chroot, and have diablo chroot on fremantle P	18:24
qole	I notice my battery level was significantly higher after reflash, so one of the things they've done is lowered the "Empty" level...	18:24
Stskeeps	that's probably good :P	18:24
qole	Stskeeps, my experience is that you can't have two hildon desktops running simultaneously.	18:25
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Stskeeps	well, for apps, not HD itself	18:25
Stskeeps	then again may be too much effort :P	18:25
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qole	no, Diablo chroot works, but there isn't a huge need for it, except to save rootfs space...	18:27
* Stskeeps nods		18:27
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qole	that development chroot idea of yours was a big hit with qwerty12...	18:28
Stskeeps	yeah, someone else made it too didn't they?	18:29
jeremiah	VDVsx: pong	18:29
VDVsx	jeremiah, about the repos, but you perhaps are already taking care of this :9	18:30
qole	Stskeeps, yes.	18:30
lardman	jeremiah: hey	18:30
jeremiah	hi	18:30
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jeremiah	VDVsx: Yeah, diablo packages not getting in?	18:30
lardman	jeremiah: Any thoughts as to how to remove python as a runtime dep for zbar (is a build-time dep as it builds bindings)?	18:31
VDVsx	jeremiah, not fremantle ones are a bit broken these days	18:31
VDVsx	*nop	18:31
Stskeeps	VDVsx: the 401 stuff is not jeremiah's fault i think :P	18:31
qole	ha, keyboard remapped! Fn-right = Tab	18:31
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Stskeeps	qole: how? :P	18:31
VDVsx	Stskeeps, yeah, but I'm getting other errors in the last days	18:31
* Stskeeps would like to move things on his kbd a bit		18:31
jeremiah	VDVsx: What kind of errors are you getting?	18:31
VDVsx	-devel is most of the time with issues	18:31
VDVsx	something about a hash key	18:32
VDVsx	let me check	18:32
jeremiah	hash key? Interesting.	18:32
qole	see dev mailing list ... now all I have to do is, "xkbcomp qole.xkb :0" as root to get my custom mappings.	18:32
Stskeeps	cool	18:33
qole	should I find the post?	18:33
Stskeeps	so they actually do use xkb	18:33
Stskeeps	that's nice	18:33
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Stskeeps	so, when is X-Fade back from vacation? :P	18:34
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VDVsx	jeremiah, works know :p	18:35
VDVsx	*now	18:35
jeremiah	Well - I'll be taking a look at the repos later tonight	18:35
qwerty12	andre__: pcntuation iz optinal u no	18:35
jeremiah	I'll poke into the fremantle repos and logs to see if I can find something.	18:36
andre__	qwerty12, you're stalking me! ;-)	18:36
jeremiah	Stskeeps: Heh, we all want to know	18:36
jeremiah	When does the X man return?	18:36
qwerty12	andre__: Look behind you, or rather... don't	18:36
VDVsx	jeremiah, I had a lot issues during the weekend :(	18:36
* Stskeeps should register for qaiku		18:36
jeremiah	Since he has not documented his code very well, he is needed badly.	18:36
jeremiah	Stskeeps: You're not on maemork?	18:37
Stskeeps	jeremiah: no, but i guess i should be :P	18:37
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Stskeeps	been doing reporting another place so :P	18:37
andre__	qwerty12: behind me I can only see my pool and my golf course. you invisible?!	18:37
jeremiah	That is the thing - one ends up reporting in so many places	18:38
jeremiah	Kind of frustrating.	18:38
andre__	+1	18:38
jeremiah	But I think maemork is semi-official and both Tero and Quim are there so . . .	18:38
qole	thank you all for reporting to the community.	18:38
qwerty12	andre__: Your golf course provides lots of places from which I can see you but you cannot see me	18:38
andre__	hmm. hmm, hmm. i should have built a way cheaper one.	18:39
qole	and yes, Stskeeps, get on maemork	18:39
Stskeeps	qole: i am, suddenly realized something wasn't quite right :)	18:39
derf	lardman: Should the Python bindings maybe be in a separate package?	18:41
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benno2a	is it possible in maemo 4 (n810) to autostart an application when the desktop comes up ?	18:41
benno2a	I need to start a shell script	18:41
jeremiah	qole: :) Thank you for saying thanks - it may seem like a small thing but it is nice to know that one does not go unnoticed.	18:41
qwerty12	jeremiah: Mmm, you know we all hate you, right?	18:42
jeremiah	Well, that I knew.	18:42
jeremiah	I just want ackowledgement of that. =D	18:42
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qole	jeremiah, I have my packages in "free" now, they are going through the autobuilder!	18:45
* qole beams with pride		18:45
jeremiah	qole: You rock!	18:46
jeremiah	And you are haning out here!	18:46
jeremiah	s/haning/hanging	18:46
jeremiah	qole == serious dev	18:46
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VDVsx	jeremiah, btw, I replied to your email about better doc for the maemo.org infra, but the mail got stuck in the approval list of the maemo-work private list, dunno who's the admin :(	18:47
jeremiah	I will hunt that down - that kinda sucks	18:48
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jeremiah	I think the council needs to gently remind Nokia / Nemein / maemo.org devs that the servers are really community property	18:48
jeremiah	And they need to be dealt with in a transparent matter	18:49
jeremiah	Which means lots of documentation	18:49
qole	jeremiah, not a serious dev yet, but learning.... I can run git on my N900 too, push commits to garage and everything.	18:49
AdmiralUD	I am trying to read SMS messages in maemo 5 from code, am I on the right track with the telepathy APIs and the rich text interface?	18:49
jeremiah	qole: Actually, you're package is pretty complex	18:50
jeremiah	sorry, I meant your package is pretty complex	18:50
VDVsx	jeremiah, I've asked nemein guys & dneary & Tero, but no luck :P	18:50
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jeremiah	VDVsx: Okay - it should be ferenc who knows that bit, since he is being X-Fade while X-Fade is away	18:51
VDVsx	jeremiah, no is not	18:51
jeremiah	No?	18:51
jeremiah	hunh	18:51
jeremiah	weird	18:51
VDVsx	jeremiah, nop, was the first one that I poked :)	18:52
jeremiah	yeah, that is who I would have poked.	18:52
jeremiah	I can take a look, but generally X-Fade handles the mailing lists.	18:53
jeremiah	Maybe we need a listmaster too. :(	18:53
andre__	yes, as I still have not seen my posting from 5 weeks ago which was bigger than 40KB :-(	18:53
jeremiah	Yeah, the lists have been kinda light lately	18:56
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jeremiah	And there has been some weird mail going out	18:56
jeremiah	So someone who likes to look through mail logs might be useful right now.	18:56
jeremiah	Guess that is me for the time being. :)	18:56
Klowner_	bah, I should have pre-ordered at Nokia Chicago and just drove 3 hours to pick up the darned thing	18:57
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SpeedEvil	np: The Proclaimers - I would walk 500 miles.	18:57
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Stskeeps	wb	18:59
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javispedro	hi	19:00
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TheInternet	Hello all!	19:04
Stskeeps	hello	19:04
TheInternet	I won a computer at work the other day (with no operating system on it)!	19:06
TheInternet	I installed ubuntu and thought I would give linux a try	19:06
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qwerty12	Man, everyone knows MS-DOS is the shit	19:06
Ceron^	http://i.imgur.com/56FnX.jpg	19:06
* VDVsx is also creating a qaiku account for maemork :)		19:06
TheInternet	I ran into the Maemo 5 SDK and decided to install it	19:07
TheInternet	now, having never done anything in linux before	19:07
Stskeeps	that's a strange turn of events, TheInternet	19:07
TheInternet	im completely lost	19:07
Klowner	TheInternet: if you've used osx extensively you're probably not too lost	19:07
TheInternet	My main machines are Windows-based	19:08
Klowner	oh, well then, you're probably pretty lost	19:08
TheInternet	(work, play, etc.)	19:08
jeremiah	qwerty12: lulz	19:08
kalikiana	TheInternet, that's an odd way to learn linux, but an unusual idea, I like that :-)	19:08
pupnik_	linux 101	19:08
jeremiah	MS-DOS is the shit	19:08
pupnik_	welcome to the shell	19:08
dmj726	Don't worry, many of us were once Windows users.	19:08
SpeedEvil	Indeed.	19:08
TheInternet	haha	19:08
SpeedEvil	I used it till about 1998.	19:09
TheInternet	bring me to the light	19:09
TheInternet	gentlemen	19:09
SpeedEvil	maybe 99.	19:09
Klowner	heheh, 10 years ago, yea	19:09
* qwerty12 is typing from an XP machine		19:09
* jeremiah stares at qwerty12		19:09
dmj726	TheInternet: Don't be afraid of the terminal (In windows it's the command line).	19:09
pupnik_	i quit windows after developing for sql server 6.x	19:09
* jeremiah fires his eyeball lasers at qwerty12		19:09
qwerty12	jeremiah: That stare... Man. /me hides	19:10
TheInternet	anyone care to elaborate as far as installation goes	19:10
kalikiana	dmj726, command line != terminal	19:10
kalikiana	the command line is inside the terminal ;)	19:10
* jeremiah watches as qwerty12's XP machine goes up in smoke.		19:10
Klowner	TheInternet: you haven't installed ubuntu yet?	19:10
pupnik_	TheInternet: there is a sdk wiki and docs	19:10
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TheInternet	yeah i installed ubuntu	19:10
pupnik_	if something is unclear lets fix wiki	19:10
* jeremiah presents qwerty12 with a brand new debian machine		19:10
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dmj726	They're analogous concepts linux "terminal" >> windows "command line"	19:11
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dmj726	TheInternet: What is causing you trouble?	19:11
VDVsx	do you use any app to follow #maemork ? :)	19:11
VDVsx	jeremiah, ^	19:12
* VDVsx is new to Qaiku :)		19:12
TheInternet	i am trying to install the sdk using the .py GUI installer	19:12
kalikiana	dmj726, they're not. a terminal is just what's around the interpreter. think terminal emulator if that helps	19:12
qwerty12	VDVsx: Not #maemork, but I'd recommend the following: eyes, an internet browser, and the F5 button	19:12
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* VDVsx kicks qwerty12's cat -> http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/138843-1/Cat_attacks_Breakdancer.gif :P		19:13
qwerty12	Heh	19:13
dmj726	kalikkiana: Okay, I get that. My point was that the from the new user perspective the going to the "terminal" is like going to the "command line" on windows	19:13
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Klowner	TheInternet: which instructions are you following?	19:14
TheInternet	the ones at the maemo.org wiki	19:14
Klowner	TheInternet: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners is the one for maemo 5, or are you setting up maemo 4?	19:15
TheInternet	5	19:15
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TheInternet	what is scratchbox	19:15
Klowner	part of the cross compiling stuff I think	19:16
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TheInternet	oh riht	19:16
TheInternet	right	19:16
TheInternet	it says it on the site you linked me to	19:16
TheInternet	thanks Klowner	19:16
jeremiah	VDVsx: You know, I have tried with several apps, but the best tool I think is an RSS reader	19:16
TheInternet	I'll give this a try and let you know whats up	19:16
jeremiah	Since Quaiku doesn't really work in Mauku from fremantle for some reason	19:17
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jeremiah	Scratchbox is a development environment, part of the SDK for Maemo	19:17
TheInternet	got it, thanks!	19:17
TheInternet	i'll be back later gentleman	19:18
TheInternet	hopefully with a successful status update	19:18
TheInternet	(and more questions)	19:18
jeremiah	Good luck!	19:18
Klowner	I'm going through the instructions as well	19:18
* Xisdibik sighs		19:18
Xisdibik	yet another day of rage against qwerty12	19:18
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Klowner	hrm, authorization required for http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta2/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh	19:19
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qwerty12	<soliloquy> They all hate me. sniff </soliloquy>	19:19
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Xisdibik	;)	19:20
Klowner	the maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta2.sh downloads fine, but the maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh is returning a 401	19:20
Klowner	anyone around that has access to prod repository.maemo.org's innards?	19:21
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kalikiana	Klowner, I can open that file just fine. Is it just empty for you?	19:23
Klowner	it's giving me a 401 auth required response	19:23
Klowner	now it works..	19:23
Klowner	wtf	19:23
Stskeeps	there's an issue at the moment, Klowner	19:24
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Klowner	Stskeeps: ah k, just so I'm not losing my mind.. it downloaded now just fine	19:24
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lardman	re	19:25
Klowner	although that's no proof I haven't already lost my mind	19:25
* realitygaps is getting 401 Unauthorized [IP: 213.155.157.9 80] on sdk repository		19:26
* lardman wills the 770 serving the maemo.org pages to go a little faster		19:28
Klowner	heh	19:28
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lardman	anyone got a pointer to some dbus calls to send an email, off hand, while I wait for maemo.org?	19:29
Stskeeps	qwerty12: ping	19:31
qwerty12	Stskeeps: Aye?	19:31
Stskeeps	qwerty12: what happens if only mbxaccess.ko is loaded? not omaplcd	19:32
kalikiana	lardman, does hildon mime not do that?	19:32
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kalikiana	or maybe I'm remembering wrongly	19:32
lardman	kalikiana: I've not tried, but again was hoping to keep everything in memory rather than writing to disk	19:32
lardman	though in this case I may not need to I suppose	19:32
qwerty12	Stskeeps: No idea, my N810 is upstairs	19:33
Stskeeps	k	19:33
lardman	Stskeeps: output-wise?	19:33
qwerty12	Think its battery is dead, actually	19:33
kalikiana	lardman, you want to send one including the message body?	19:33
qwerty12	lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/SendVia_Functionality	19:33
lardman	or what the module actually does?	19:33
kalikiana	if it's just the address it should be fine	19:33
lardman	kalikiana: no, just open one a la mailto:	19:33
qwerty12	(/me finds libsharingdialog more fun...)	19:33
lardman	libmodest_dbus_client_compose_mail()	19:34
lardman	ah ha	19:34
lardman	thanks qwerty12	19:34
lardman	qwerty12: join us	19:35
qwerty12	Never! The Dark Side is not for me!	19:35
kalikiana	will the above work if you have different client?	19:35
kalikiana	hardcoding modest seems ugly	19:35
javispedro	join us, and we can rule the galaxy, like father and son!	19:35
lardman	in 3D	19:35
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lardman	hmm, need to charge my N810 too	19:39
_berto_	I like how this thing records videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odUVFjP3HmA&fmt=35	19:40
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_berto_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwhEotvyBs&fmt=35	19:40
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johannes1	hi, is it possible to install maemo on an i386 PC?	19:51
Flandry	hi. Why?	19:52
Stskeeps	~mer	19:53
infobot	mer is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer	19:53
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johannes1	I want to use an itx via board and a touchscreen with maemo and mmpc	19:54
johannes1	shall I have a look at mer?	19:54
Flandry	yeah that's what you're looking for	19:55
Flandry	sounds fun :)	19:55
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johannes1	thx	19:56
kalikiana	Hm... why does it feel like opening an app from console is faster than from an icon	19:57
kalikiana	Or maybe my perception is wrong	19:57
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lcuk	kalikiana, you are right, opening "ls" from the command line is faster than clicking on its .desktop file. parsing it starting up a new console session, passing in parameters and running "ls"	19:58
muep__	I'd guess the amount of code that runs when you launch directly from a running shell is a lot smaller than that of pressing an icon	19:58
kalikiana	lcuk, :P	19:59
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lcuk	some apps are started with dbus services when you click them dont they?	20:00
lcuk	and if you run the binary it just runs	20:00
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kalikiana	everything is started via dbus, that is fine. it just seemed the different was more than just dbus overhead	20:01
kalikiana	but I'm not sure anymore if I see the difference, it's hard to estimate	20:01
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lcuk	will need to check	20:02
lcuk	scientifically	20:02
wiretapped	SCIENCE!	20:02
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kalikiana	"I'm sciencing as fast as I can" ;)	20:03
Flandry	start waving your hands then	20:03
derf	That's mathematics.	20:03
derf	It's not the same.	20:03
* Flandry has lost faith in the academic science establishment, of which he is a small cog.		20:03
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derf	Why did you ever have faith in it?	20:04
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Flandry	I'm an idealist i guess	20:04
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aSIMULAtor	good evening.	20:07
Flandry	a SIMULAted good evening to you	20:07
Stskeeps	good evening	20:07
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lardman	is it possible to dial a telephone number programmatically?	20:08
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kalikiana	lardman, yep, via dbus	20:09
lardman	cool	20:09
kalikiana	let me look up the name	20:09
lardman	thanks	20:09
kalikiana	dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.CallUI --type=method_call /com/nokia/CallUI com.nokia.CallUI.CreateCall string:"tel:0123456"	20:09
wazd	You wouldn't beleive it	20:09
lardman	is there a list somewhere?	20:09
lardman	wunderbar, thanks	20:10
wazd	My pal won n900 :)	20:10
lcuk	if(alcohollevel>9000) call_holly_tell_her_im_stuck_in_office();	20:10
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lardman	lol	20:10
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lardman	nah, I'm walking to avoid becoming my name	20:11
lardman	but I have just read tel: is a valid "URI" in some barcodes, so I'm writing a handler	20:11
VDVsx	wazd, lol	20:12
VDVsx	you're a lucky guy :p	20:12
wazd	I'm still dry	20:12
qwerty12	wazd: Congratulations!	20:12
wazd	qwerty12: no, not me, my friend)	20:13
lcuk	wazd :D you are n900 event!	20:13
qwerty12	wazd: I know; but I could not resist being a cunt	20:13
Juzna	is there something wrong with the repositories?	20:13
kalikiana	Disappointing, hildon mime indeed doesn't know email	20:13
lcuk	that was quick it seems like only 1/2 hour ago you said you were goin	20:13
Klowner	I can't seem to hunt down any info on doing OpenGL ES stuff in the SDK, I'm wonderin' if I need a device to test that kind of stuff	20:13
lcuk	who was on and presenting and what did you seee?	20:13
* lardman looks for some C code		20:13
Juzna	my n900 says all the time that sync failed because unauthorised access from some akamai proxy	20:13
Stskeeps	wazd: kill him and steal his n900? :P	20:14
Stskeeps	or just knock him out and claim someone stole his n900	20:14
Stskeeps	:P	20:14
VDVsx	wazd, I think your dog/cat has more chances to won one, that you trough any possible loan/discount program :P	20:14
VDVsx	s/that/than	20:14
qwerty12	wazd: Make him drink a shitton of vodka, you do the same, take the N900, and blame it on the vodka if you get caught	20:15
lcuk	the nokians werent meant to give the n900 away in the first place lol, they also blamed it on the vodka :D	20:15
lardman	use a chainsaw	20:15
* qwerty12 thinking of http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7353025.stm		20:15
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lardman	hmm, in dbus_message_new_method_call() how do I pass arguments?	20:17
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lardman	e.g. the tel:0000 stuff	20:17
* javispedro thinks of sméagol vs déagol scene. my birthday preseeeeent!! my preciousssssssss n900!!!		20:17
* lardman dislikes DBus docs		20:18
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VDVsx	lardman, humm ?	20:22
lardman	trying to convert the dbus-send call above into C	20:22
VDVsx	msg = dbus_message_new_method_call( args)	20:22
lardman	yeah, but which is which?	20:22
lardman	msg = dbus_message_new_method_call("com.nokia.CallUI", // target for the method call	20:23
lardman	"/com/nokia/CallUI", // object to call on	20:23
lardman	"com.nokia.CallUI.CreateCall", // interface to call on	20:23
lardman	"string:\"tel:0123456\""); // method name	20:23
lardman	?	20:23
VDVsx	normally: destination, obj_path, interface, .. (extra stuff)	20:23
* lardman copies from here: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus/libdbus-tutorial.html		20:24
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VDVsx	so what's the problem, that looks correct	20:24
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VDVsx	dunno about the interface and object name	20:25
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lardman	not tried it yet	20:26
VDVsx	lardman, ah, you probably want to append the args to the message	20:26
VDVsx	?	20:27
lardman	was just a random guess at which bits to put where	20:27
zaheerm	you know if a phone call dbus message can be intercepted by an app	20:27
zaheerm	was pondering on writing an app that would suggest a number from saynoto0870.co.uk	20:27
lardman	:)	20:27
zaheerm	if someone called a 08* number	20:27
zaheerm	but ideally it'd be transparent	20:28
lardman	should probably hook into the phone app though, before they've dialled	20:28
lardman	let them choose to dial that one, etc	20:28
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zaheerm	well what i was thinking is if the phone app sends a dbus message to make the call, i could just add a ui on intercepting it to choose from number specified and a list from saynoto0870	20:30
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zaheerm	though plugging into the phone app seems like a reasonable other option	20:30
zaheerm	third option, create a telepathy plugin like the skype one that could translate the number transparently so you can choose dial with saynoto0870 instead of cellular or skype	20:31
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zaheerm	man too many ideas, too little time....	20:31
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hrw	re	20:32
konttori	lardman: how about starting dbus-monitor and make a call	20:32
konttori	the you'll see that dbus call is made (and the params)	20:32
Stskeeps	anyone here who happen to have a OMAP2 non-N8x0 device?	20:33
Stskeeps	which runs linux :P	20:33
hrw	like old omap2-sdp?	20:33
Stskeeps	for instance yeah	20:33
Stskeeps	2420 or 2430	20:33
suihkulokki	omap2 doesn't seen like hit SoC	20:34
* kalikiana wonders if hildon_uri_open works		20:34
* kalikiana goes to try it		20:34
hrw	Stskeeps: ask on #beagle - there are some TI people	20:34
Stskeeps	mmk	20:34
suihkulokki	omap3 is much more popular	20:35
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kalikiana	lardman, I think you want to try out hildon_uri_open	20:37
kalikiana	It recognized mailto successfully	20:38
kalikiana	And it might just spare you a lot of code/ work	20:38
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* GeneralAntilles heads out for the 5-hour drive.		20:40
andre__	garr. i sometimes wonder if people file duplicates by purpose	20:40
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GeneralAntilles	andre__, of course they do.	20:41
GeneralAntilles	They're out to get you.	20:41
fernando_	now for something a little more meta: anyone has any tips in washing the little pouch that came with the N800?	20:41
fernando_	:P	20:41
GeneralAntilles	Actually, it's probably Nokia hiring people to do it to make us less efficient. ;)	20:41
qwerty12	fernando_: Give it to the cat to lick	20:41
fernando_	lol	20:41
GeneralAntilles	fernando_, let it go through the wash in a pants pocket like I do whenever I forget to take it out about once every 6 months?	20:41
VDVsx	andre__, yes, because they know that you've a lot of spare time :P	20:41
andre__	GeneralAntilles, gnarf. I expected that. Truth is hard to bare :-/	20:41
* VDVsx hides		20:41
fernando_	haha, I might do that	20:42
javispedro	lololololol more trolls in tmo	20:42
lardman	konttori: yeah, good suggestion, though ideally I'd just like to line the call up and not make it	20:42
lardman	kalikiana: you reckon that will work?	20:42
VDVsx	javispedro, good ones ?	20:42
lardman	kalikiana: no docs	20:43
javispedro	good selection of thread titles indeed.	20:43
VDVsx	javispedro, link please	20:43
javispedro	see latest topics in tmo :)	20:43
kalikiana	lardman, I'm testing. mailto works	20:43
kalikiana	And given that it would be nicer than having to write 100 lines of code...	20:44
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kalikiana	And avoid hardcoding apps	20:44
VDVsx	javispedro, "yes it sucks" ?	20:44
VDVsx	lol	20:44
javispedro	VDVsx: and "has Maemo always been so buggy" and the other one that has dropped off now	20:44
lardman	kalikiana: I quite agree, thanks	20:45
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lardman	kalikiana: does "tel:" work by chance....?	20:46
kalikiana	lardman, I tried tel://, but let me try tel:, maybe it's different	20:46
kalikiana	tel:// didn't work	20:46
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, we need to pad out the response rates by posting some of our shillery. :P	20:47
VDVsx	javispedro, wow, very good :p	20:47
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lardman	:(	20:48
VDVsx	wow, he wants a bug-free software : "Seems there are some legitimate software issues which have been identified now that the device can be found in the wild."	20:48
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lardman	kalikiana: what's the backend? What decides on the handled MIME/uri types?	20:48
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javispedro	software issues! omg!	20:49
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kalikiana	Stupid me, my code is too smart. Tells me tel:123 is an invalid port number O_o	20:49
lardman	:)	20:49
Flandry	what we need is a t.m.o. bot that spits out the same canned responses to these same complaints.	20:50
lardman	kalikiana: it's your code is it? libhildon-mime, or are you talking about the test code?	20:50
Flandry	~kill spammers	20:50
* infobot shoots a charged pseudophoton gun at spammers		20:50
javispedro	"Thanks for your information. It has been forwarded to the appropiate person (Mr. Dev Null). Have a nice day."	20:50
kalikiana	lardman, my test code. :-]	20:50
Flandry	lol	20:50
lardman	kalikiana: ok :)	20:50
javispedro	"P.S. In case you ever have a proper bug report, please redirect your complains to bugs.maemo.org ."	20:51
kalikiana	lardman, Confirmed, tel:123 shows me a dialpad with 123	20:51
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javispedro	(where they will be also forwarded to /dev/null but clients shouldn't know that)	20:51
andre__	javispedro, or ask them to come here and have a beer with me :-P	20:52
pH5	kalikiana: yay, that's what I wanted to know, too	20:52
lardman	kalikiana: great :)	20:52
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kalikiana	lardman, I'm happy you led me to accidentally notice that unknown header file and try it out :D	20:52
javispedro	andre__: do you have a long standing tradition of killing bug reporters? just in case. it would be nice to annotate it somewhere to let customers know that ;)	20:53
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lardman	lol :D	20:53
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lardman	kalikiana: was that using hildon_uri_get_default_action() or hildon_uri_get_default_action_by_uri()?	20:55
andre__	javispedro: you are invited to take a look at my graveyards in GNOME Bugzilla	20:56
kalikiana	lardman, hildon_uri_open	20:56
kalikiana	and tel:// also works	20:57
javispedro	:)	20:57
kalikiana	(no idea if there is any difference)	20:57
lardman	do you not need the get_action stuff beforehand?	20:57
* lardman works from here http://efforts.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/maemo/		20:57
kalikiana	Nope, simply return hildon_uri_open (uri, HILDON_URI_ACTION_NORMAL, error);	20:57
lardman	ah ok	20:57
lardman	andre__: bug coming your way re hildonmime	20:58
kalikiana	hm... I wonder what difference that action would make	20:58
javispedro	"I don't have the n900 yet, but I expect the n900 to do the same things I do on my n800 but better and faster." ah, hope you don't use handwriting much...	20:58
kalikiana	The comment in the header just says something vague	20:58
lcuk	i do and it does	20:58
andre__	lardman: but I already have two open libhildonmime tickets! there's more bugs?!	20:59
lardman	yeah, needs some docs me thinks	20:59
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lardman	andre__: are they related to no docs?	20:59
andre__	lardman, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3890 ?	20:59
povbot	Bug 3890: Missing libhildonmime API documentation	20:59
lardman	ah ok	20:59
* lardman goes to vote for that one if he's not done so already		21:00
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andre__	lardman, pinged internally last week. still no news :-/	21:00
lardman	hmm, I've already voted too	21:00
lardman	andre__: thanks	21:00
lardman	kalikiana: thanks too :)	21:00
hrw	time for me	21:01
hrw	bye	21:01
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kalikiana	You're welcome, we're in the same boat :)	21:01
convulted	hey all: anyone having out of storage error messages in fremantle?	21:01
* andre__ realizes that gtk-devel irc meeting and girlfriend appointment collide. hmm, tough, tough! :-P		21:01
kalikiana	Hm... I could use a "silent" option for alarms	21:01
kalikiana	My girlfriend is asleep	21:02
lcuk	andre__, n900+xchat solves problem	21:02
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lcuk	hey convulted \o	21:02
derf	lcuk sure knows how to entertain a girl.	21:02
* kalikiana pictures andre__ starting at the n900 while in a deep hug.		21:02
Flandry	convulted: are you installing packages from extras-devel?	21:02
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TomaszD	aargh, so irritating, I have QStarDict working on the N900, but it doesn't detect dictionaries ;(	21:02
andre__	lcuk: thanks. if it does not work you'll pay for my divorce lawyer	21:02
convulted	lcuk: hoy	21:03
VDVsx	javispedro, I'm always learning in this troll threads :) : " Jobsian trolls are mythical creatures, that supposedly feed on the tears of people waiting for their n900s." "	21:03
lcuk	easier to just buy her an n900 as well	21:03
* lardman wonders about converting everything to use hildonmime		21:03
Flandry	lol what?	21:03
lcuk	we can develop a vibration sharing app	21:03
VDVsx	s/this/these/	21:03
infobot	VDVsx meant: javispedro, I'm always learning in these troll threads :) : " Jobsian trolls are mythical creatures, that supposedly feed on the tears of people waiting for their n900s." "	21:03
andre__	she has one already	21:03
lcuk	shake one device and have the other shake in harmony	21:03
convulted	Flandy: just one, my own and it's optified	21:03
* lardman then thinks perhaps one thing at a time		21:03
javispedro	VDVsx: yet more dangers for those adventurers.... grues and now this.	21:03
Flandry	ok, just going for the low-hanging fruit :P	21:03
lcuk	convulted, you dropped your big db somewhere you shouldnt?	21:03
lardman	https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libhildonmime/docs/hildon-mime-open.txt	21:04
lardman	https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libhildonmime/docs/hildon-uri-open-rev-2.txt	21:04
Flandry	grues? Is there Zork for Maemo?	21:04
* javispedro can't stand neither tmo fanboys nor tmo trolls		21:04
lardman	something like docs	21:04
lcuk	has the outside world learnt of the n900 yet	21:04
javispedro	what's this outside world you speak of?	21:04
convulted	lcuk: db is tiny :P	21:05
lcuk	i dunno, someone posted on tmo the other day	21:05
kalikiana	lardman, good find!	21:05
javispedro	wow, aliens on tmo!	21:05
lcuk	convulted, it contains every single station along the london underground doesnt it	21:05
lcuk	thats gotta be at least 20kb	21:05
* lardman heads for some food		21:05
lardman	bbiab	21:05
convulted	hahaha	21:05
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convulted	i have gigs free	21:05
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lcuk	do df from the console	21:05
convulted	and can't download anything	21:06
lcuk	and see how much you have properly	21:06
* javispedro wonders what's so special about the screen "scrolling smoothly"		21:06
convulted	df gives loads of free space	21:06
lcuk	on all partitions?	21:06
* lcuk is surprised		21:06
convulted	do you want a paste?	21:06
greenfly	is there a way to trigger libevent from dbus, or the command line in general? the regular tools for that don't seem to be ported yet	21:06
javispedro	convulted, why not, just in case. cause if it's something else: O.o	21:07
lcuk	might be an idea	21:07
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lcuk	also, check which version of flash you are on: settings/about product	21:07
convulted	rootfs 233224 173784 55160 76% /nubi0:rootfs 233224 173784 55160 76% /ntmpfs 1024 112 912 11% /tmpntmpfs 256 80 176 31% /var/runnnone 10240 72 10168 1% /devntmpfs 65536 4 65532 0% /dev/shmn/dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 46980 1912372 2% /h	21:07
convulted	whoops	21:07
* lcuk coughs up a pastebin.ca url		21:07
convulted	lol	21:07
convulted	yeah. sec	21:08
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convulted	http://pastebin.ca/1685812	21:09
lcuk	convulted, whilst you are i nthe console give it an apt-get update too	21:09
lcuk	extras devel and testing have been a bit flaky	21:09
javispedro	in a few hours every tmo user will be in a single thread.	21:09
convulted	yeah i noticed... it was working a few mins ago	21:09
lcuk	javispedro, unity?	21:10
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lcuk	which one	21:10
lcuk	convulted, i wonder if apt is stuck trying to install something and app man isnt telling you	21:10
convulted	lcuk: devel seems to have stopped working...	21:10
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lcuk	might explain why you cant install anything	21:11
javispedro	unity through fanboyism. fanboyism through trollism. trollismm through faith.	21:11
convulted	ah, but i get the error when i download things in the browser :)	21:11
lcuk	thread link if you want us in there	21:11
convulted	or try and add a ringtone	21:11
lcuk	stress test	21:11
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javispedro	lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35009	21:11
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convulted	lcuk or anyone: any thoughts?	21:15
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lcuk	convulted, are you by chance plugged into usb	21:15
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lcuk	and you werent before	21:15
lcuk	ie has your MyDocs been taken for evil desktop computer	21:15
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convulted	lol no pcs in sight	21:16
convulted	i'm charging...	21:16
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lcuk	convulted, i ask because sometimes i go to get at photos and to save files and things and realist my usb has taken my partition away to show it to windows	21:17
lcuk	just a thought	21:17
convulted	yeah happens very often over here too	21:17
convulted	yeah happens very often over here too	21:17
convulted	i'm baffled by this...	21:18
convulted	went to save a pdf this morning and saw that error	21:18
convulted	then i tried changing ringtone to an mp3 that is already in MyDocs and got the same error	21:18
convulted	hmmm... confused...	21:19
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lcuk	convulted, im not a console wondergod, but go and check if everything is writeable	21:20
convulted	sec...	21:21
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convulted	no problems there	21:23
convulted	i can write files there	21:23
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serenity	hi	21:23
lcuk	convulted, are you root	21:23
convulted	nope	21:23
serenity	how can i update my sdk in scratchbox?	21:23
convulted	ruined too many boxes :D	21:24
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lcuk	how bizarre	21:24
convulted	it is isn't it?	21:24
convulted	wonder if i should reboot	21:25
serenity	or must i installed it from scratch to get the newest version?	21:25
serenity	-ed	21:25
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convulted	be back in a few mins	21:25
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convulted	back	21:29
convulted	still can't add a ringtone that's on the device	21:29
convulted	bizarre	21:29
convulted	i'm guessing no one else had this problem	21:30
convulted	and i dunno how to debug it	21:30
javispedro	I STILL can't understand why "smooth scrolling" is such an important feature.	21:31
greenfly	javispedro: it gives the impression that the device has ample resources	21:31
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greenfly	if scrolling stutters, it gives the impression that the CPU can't keep up	21:31
greenfly	(or possibly GPU)	21:31
javispedro	your computer is most probably "stuttering" all day.	21:32
convulted_	greenfly: is that referring to my prob?	21:32
serenity	on a pre scrolling is nasty	21:32
greenfly	convulted_: I was replying to javispedro's question of why some people might want smooth scrolling	21:33
convulted_	ah whoos sorry... closed window by mistake	21:33
convulted_	so i got confused	21:33
greenfly	javispedro: it's not a killer feature for me, just playing devil's advocate	21:33
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greenfly	javispedro: if any other comparable device does have feature X, and the n900 doesn't, there will likely be a comparison made	21:33
javispedro	couldn't they say "battery life sucks" or something more reasonable,but no, they have to say "scrolling stutters".	21:34
greenfly	scrolling seems to be pretty smooth for me for most things	21:34
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* javispedro wonders what kind of world is this one..		21:34
Flandry	not in a post-apociphone world	21:34
serenity	how can i update my sdk in scratchbox?	21:34
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greenfly	I'm doing a battery life test today where I kept the IM offline	21:35
javispedro	serenity: apt-get update	21:35
javispedro	&& upgrade	21:35
greenfly	so far it has made a dramatic change	21:35
serenity	ah, ok	21:35
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javispedro	IM online/offline shouldn't do a dramatic change.	21:35
javispedro	Wi-Fi might.	21:35
serenity	serenity@mangolassi:~$ apt-get update	21:36
greenfly	javispedro: agreed, but anecdotally, it seems to	21:36
serenity	E: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.	21:36
javispedro	serenity: then, aim for reinstall instead of upgrade.	21:36
greenfly	javispedro: I suppose my next test will be to enable it but only one IM network at a time	21:36
serenity	gna	21:36
convulted_	i give up. if anyone knows why i'm getting senseless device storage full messages, let me know :)	21:36
greenfly	it's possible one polls more than the others	21:36
crashanddie_	whatup?	21:36
greenfly	convulted_: what does df -i say?	21:36
greenfly	if you stored a large amount of files on the file system you could have run out of inodes even though you didn't run out of space	21:37
convulted_	df -i says invalid option :)	21:37
greenfly	doh	21:38
crashanddie_	I highly doubt inodes is an issue	21:38
greenfly	yeah, you'd have to have millions of files on there	21:38
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crashanddie_	convulted_, do you use apt-get a lot?	21:38
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Flandry	what does df output on N900?	21:38
convulted_	apt-get update a couple of times	21:39
crashanddie_	convulted_, apt-get doesn't remove the .deb it downloads	21:39
paroneayea	arg	21:39
paroneayea	tilt sensor on my phone broke	21:39
Flandry	oO	21:39
crashanddie_	paroneayea, have you tried turning it off and on again?	21:39
convulted_	crashanddie_: true, but i have lolads of free space	21:39
paroneayea	crashanddie_: I did, I will try again however.	21:39
convulted_	downloading manually is ok	21:40
crashanddie_	convulted_, how about we start over and you give us a real error message?	21:40
crashanddie_	convulted_, my balls ain't made out of crystal	21:40
convulted_	ok	21:40
crashanddie_	well, mine or anyone's, I would hope	21:40
Flandry	speak for yourself	21:40
convulted_	mine are :P	21:40
* Flandry is a silicon-based life form		21:40
crashanddie_	Flandry, you're hoping to have crystal balls?	21:40
convulted_	i have an mp3 on the device	21:41
Flandry	You may call me Cristobal	21:41
convulted_	and tried to add it as a ringtone	21:41
paroneayea	is there something I can try reading in /dev/ to see if any information is coming out?	21:41
convulted_	and i got a "device storage full error"	21:42
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Flandry	/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord	21:42
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Flandry	see: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers	21:42
convulted_	and i still have gigs free here	21:42
crashanddie_	paroneayea, everytime you open it, it will give you one readout	21:42
crashanddie_	convulted_, there are two separate partitions	21:43
crashanddie_	convulted_, could you pastebin the output of df -h?	21:43
crashanddie_	~pastebin	21:43
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste	21:43
convulted_	right	21:43
convulted_	sec	21:43
paroneayea	crashanddie_: thanks, I will try reading that	21:43
crashanddie_	ok, I'm on fire, who else has a problem?	21:44
convulted_	http://pastebin.ca/1685856	21:44
toggles_w	crashanddie_: the tilt sensor in my n810 has stopped working	21:45
crashanddie_	toggles_w, that's because there isn't one ;)	21:45
crashanddie_	convulted_, good, at least you didn't run out of space	21:45
toggles_w	damn, you are good	21:45
Jaffa	Ev'ning.	21:45
qwerty12_N900	toggles_w: What does /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord say?	21:45
qwerty12_N900	;P	21:45
Jaffa	crashanddie_: did you see my description of the MWN UI tooling, btw?	21:45
crashanddie_	Jaffa, I'm afraid I didn't, link?	21:45
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crashanddie_	convulted_, where do you add it as ringtone (/me shamefully realises he never actually used the device as a phone)	21:46
convulted_	in the phone settings	21:47
convulted_	umm... settings then phone	21:47
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Jaffa	convulted_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-November/003363.html	21:47
crashanddie_	shite, you need cellular to be able to access that	21:47
Jaffa	s/convulted_/crashanddie_/	21:47
infobot	Jaffa meant: crashanddie_: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-November/003363.html	21:47
Juzna	hmm	21:48
Juzna	is there nokia base repo available somewhere?	21:48
paroneayea	crashanddie_: Flandry: well, I restarted, tried running cat on that file, and it gave output	21:48
crashanddie_	Jaffa, cool	21:48
paroneayea	I tried bounce again, it works, but seems off	21:48
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Flandry	oh good	21:48
crashanddie_	Juzna, base repo?	21:48
Juzna	if i break some root packages	21:48
paroneayea	like, the calibration of it seems off	21:49
convulted_	Jaffa: that confused me :)	21:49
Flandry	weird	21:49
paroneayea	if I hold it level the ball flies forward very quickly	21:49
crashanddie_	paroneayea, try the "attitude" application	21:49
paroneayea	wasn't doing that before	21:49
Juzna	ex. where i could get posix-locales ;)	21:49
paroneayea	crashanddie_: ok, trying	21:49
crashanddie_	Jaffa, see, I'm even advertising your apps ;)	21:49
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paroneayea	:)	21:50
* Flandry watches plasma go down in flames again after Quassel notifications		21:50
fernando_	how much do the cool kids set their swap file on a N800?	21:50
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Flandry	~seen coolkids	21:51
infobot	i haven't seen 'coolkids', Flandry	21:51
Flandry	;)	21:51
crashanddie_	Juzna, don't think there is one publicly available	21:51
fernando_	haha	21:51
* convulted_ gives up again. thanks for your help guys, but this error message seems to originate for no reason		21:51
crashanddie_	Juzna, however, as long as you have downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle in your repo list (aka, the official nokia repos), you should be fine	21:51
crashanddie_	convulted_, hang on	21:52
paroneayea	crashanddie_: got it running. When holding it level, what should I see?	21:52
convulted_	crashanddie_: :D	21:52
paroneayea	hm	21:52
crashanddie_	paroneayea, when holding it like you would a camera, you should see a horizon line	21:52
crashanddie_	convulted_, give me a few minutes to chuck a sim card in there	21:52
* crashanddie_ is trying to eat at the same time as well, not necessarily the easiest scenario		21:53
Jaffa	paroneayea: And ~0 deg	21:53
convulted_	cheers	21:53
paroneayea	crashanddie_: that seems to happen until it eventually crashes and becomes unresponsive :)	21:54
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Juzna	kjeh :D	21:54
Juzna	i made to mess locales	21:54
paroneayea	or, stops moving	21:54
paroneayea	not sure if it is a crash or if input is being cut off	21:54
Jaffa	paroneayea: It shouldn't move if the device isn't moving	21:54
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crashanddie_	paroneayea, the app isn't necessarily tuned for speed	21:54
Jaffa	paroneayea: It's like a spirit level (and yes, I need to make it more responsive)	21:54
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crashanddie_	it's a shame the n900 doesn't have a digital compass though	21:56
Flandry	it is	21:57
paroneayea	Jaffa: well I mean, eventually I am no longer able to move it at all, even when moving the camera	21:57
paroneayea	however	21:57
qwerty12_N900	convulted_: You trying to set a ringtone? If so, http://pastebin.com/d7ac7172b in /home/user/.profiled/custom.ini would be the manual way of doing it	21:57
paroneayea	I seem to be able to complete a level in bounce, and that is a good sign that things are better than they were before (not working at all) :)	21:57
convulted_	querty12_N900: the point is that i keep getting out of storage error messages (i am happy with my ringtone :)	21:58
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paroneayea	thank you for your help Jaffa and crashanddie_, you two are awesome ;)	22:00
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crashanddie_	Jaffa is awesome, I'm not	22:00
crashanddie_	Well, actually, I am awesome... with the ladies	22:00
crashanddie_	ii	22:01
crashanddie_	;D	22:01
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crashanddie_	paroneayea, are you getting the error somewhere else?	22:01
crashanddie_	paroneayea, I go into settings > phone, and can't change the ringtone though...	22:02
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crashanddie_	paroneayea, as in, there's no option for that... you sure it's there?	22:03
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convulted_	crashanddie_: lemme check	22:03
paroneayea	crashanddie_: are you meaning to talk to convulted_ ?	22:03
crashanddie_	paroneayea, I am indeed	22:04
Juzna	eh	22:04
convulted_	sorry settings and then profile	22:04
convulted_	my bad :)	22:04
Juzna	any ideas how i could fix my locales	22:04
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Juzna	tried to compile wrong locales and now device is quite fucked :D	22:04
jeremiah	Juzna: Did you go through the regular language and region settings?	22:04
Juzna	locale-gen ;)	22:04
jeremiah	Juzna: Feel like setting the device back to factory defaults?	22:05
Juzna	should it fix whole operating system?	22:05
jeremiah	Well, that is an option, but I suppose there are other ways.	22:05
crashanddie_	Jaffa, I like the idea... I could see, for example, a window on the left, taking most of the screen, which would display all the posts for a specific source (chosen at the top of the screen)	22:05
Juzna	yup	22:05
jeremiah	Juzna: It would restore the entire device back to its original state	22:05
Juzna	i would love that deb	22:05
lcuk	ddeerrrtrrrtr	22:06
jeremiah	I think that is available through the GUI interface in preferences	22:06
lcuk	hyrfrhfhhthrehfurofifufhjufyrhyeytrtetc trw6w6ds6 6s65s6w6s6t	22:06
jeremiah	umm, lcuk	22:06
penguinbait	what he said	22:06
convulted_	lcuk: i agree	22:06
qwerty12_N900	The aliens are invading	22:06
jeremiah	Is your cat talking?	22:06
crashanddie_	qwerty12_N900, nope, that's just the northerner accent without the nice filter	22:06
fernando_	http://blog.oneplusinfinity.com/?p=4476 haha	22:06
convulted_	lo	22:06
qwerty12_N900	crashanddie_: Ah, makes sense	22:07
crashanddie_	Jaffa, each post would have it's own specific little box, with in short the author, summary of the text. Hovering over a post would display it in a bigger screen.	22:07
penguinbait	north or south, your all a bunch of silly wankers ;P	22:07
crashanddie_	Jaffa, on the right, a bar which would contain "selected" posts. A post is selected by dragging or double clicking on it	22:07
qwerty12_N900	*you're	22:08
penguinbait	no you are	22:08
penguinbait	;)	22:08
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crashanddie_	s/penguin/flame/	22:08
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Chiku	hello	22:08
penguinbait	mmmmmmmm, roasted penguin	22:09
ds3	'	22:09
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penguinbait	needs garlic	22:09
jeremiah	well hello thar	22:09
Chiku	what will be the after N900 ?	22:09
crashanddie_	Chiku, n901	22:09
penguinbait	rx-71?	22:09
crashanddie_	Chiku, actually, probably n920, we have a picture of it somewhere	22:09
penguinbait	920 was hoax	22:09
crashanddie_	Jaffa, another page would then show all the selected posts, allow you to organize them, and add the leading/leaving text	22:09
crashanddie_	penguinbait, no, we saw it in London	22:09
crashanddie_	I took a picture of it	22:09
pillar	hmm, how can I change xterm to understand utf-8	22:09
Juzna	didnt help	22:09
crashanddie_	hang on, let me dig it up	22:10
Chiku	crashanddie_, what about spec? just few changes?	22:10
Juzna	any way of recompiling those locales?	22:10
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crashanddie_	Chiku & penguinbait: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4114828376/	22:10
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Chiku	thx	22:11
penguinbait	nice	22:11
qwerty12_N900	crashanddie_: That's effin' awesome	22:11
Chiku	I want this one	22:11
* qwerty12_N900 throws his N900 out the window		22:11
crashanddie_	I think Nokia pushed the "retro" idea a bit too far though	22:11
Chiku	oh wait My grand perents got the same one, I will ask to give one	22:11
penguinbait	<----- runs under qwerty12's window	22:11
penguinbait	bah, missed	22:11
qwerty12_N900	penguinbait: Sorry, we don't want wankers from MI	22:12
crashanddie_	michigan?	22:12
penguinbait	No No, we are stupid americans	22:12
penguinbait	you are the wanker	22:12
penguinbait	or tosser if you prefer	22:12
* convulted_ is offl to eat. might flash new firmware to get rid of the message... kinda annoying tho. thanks for the ideas		22:12
penguinbait	<------ in Michigan	22:12
crashanddie_	penguinbait, you live in the same state as lovely MIT? How the fuck could a place that spawned a university that brilliant produce an individual so stupid?	22:13
crashanddie_	Oh well, law of averages, I guess	22:13
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crashanddie_	in other words: stop flaming	22:13
Flandry	rofl	22:14
Flandry	"Michigan Instititue of Technology" is it?	22:14
penguinbait	MIT is not in Michigan stupid?	22:14
paroneayea	http://dustycloud.org/tmp/n900-nethack.png	22:14
fernando_	lol	22:14
paroneayea	that's over ssh though	22:14
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crashanddie_	oh, my bad	22:14
Flandry	dunno wtf i'm living in Cambridge then...	22:14
penguinbait	Massachusetts Institute of Technology ;p	22:14
crashanddie_	Flandry, they have oxford there, right?	22:14
Flandry	other Cambridge :P	22:15
crashanddie_	Flandry, duke then?	22:15
penguinbait	Sorry, was only joking, use to listening to qwerty12's cheeky a55	22:15
crashanddie_	penguinbait, yeah well, can't blame you for that, everyone wants to hit him	22:15
crashanddie_	penguinbait, should've seen the kid when I arrived, I put my hand forward to shake his, he jumped away	22:16
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Flandry	BU BC Harvard MIT Wellesley Brandeis etc but no, no Duke	22:16
jeremiah	Harvard and MIT are on the same street! :P	22:17
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Flandry	yeah. Well, cowpath.	22:17
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crashanddie_	sod it, universities are useless anyway, as lardman\|afk knows	22:18
Flandry	yeah, that's pretty much my conclusion	22:18
qwerty12_N900	Ooh, do they have nerd fights? "I know Pi to a million places. Can you beat that?"	22:19
crashanddie_	my boss is a prick	22:19
crashanddie_	I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows the last 3 numbers of pi	22:19
Flandry	lol	22:19
crashanddie_	s/numbers/digits/	22:19
infobot	crashanddie_ meant: I'm pretty sure he thinks he knows the last 3 digits of pi	22:19
fernando_	where does tear saves bookmarks?	22:20
crashanddie_	[drumroll] in the bookmark menu	22:20
qwerty12_N900	fernando_: /home/user/.tear/tear.db	22:20
fernando_	thanks	22:20
fernando_	and :P @ crashanddie_	22:20
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wazd_	they gave me a t-shirt	22:25
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wazd_	tee. shirt.	22:25
* Xisdibik tries to ignore qwerty12's full name when it appears on the channel		22:25
qwerty12_N900	"I wanted the N900, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt"	22:25
wazd_	qwerty12_N900: nono	22:26
wazd_	qwerty12_N900: 14 apps = 1 t-shirt	22:26
qwerty12_N900	Ah. Shit	22:26
wazd_	now I'm gonna to drink as much alcohol as I need to forget all of this	22:27
fernando_	sqlite? I can handle this	22:27
fernando_	also hahaha	22:27
fernando_	oh nokia	22:27
fernando_	is it at least the laser penguin shirt? that one is prett awesome :P	22:28
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wazd_	fernando_: no	22:28
crashanddie_	qwerty12_N900, tell that to anidel	22:28
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crashanddie_	qwerty12_N900, his girlfriend got drawn on the N900 giveaway in London	22:29
crashanddie_	qwerty12_N900, but she wasn't there, so they had to redraw	22:29
qwerty12_N900	crashanddie_: Meh, he's got a loaner	22:29
qwerty12_N900	OW	22:29
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crashanddie_	there's a picture of that very moment, where he looks at me like he's going to die	22:29
wazd_	my friend won an n900 today :D	22:29
fernando_	ooh, I like how tear stores stuff, neat	22:29
Milhouse	For some reason I remembered this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA9iPadxE0U as I was thinking about the DDP... :)	22:30
qwerty12_N900	wazd_: Killed him yet?	22:30
fernando_	lol	22:30
kynky	how he win ?	22:30
wazd_	and the funniest fact that he wasn't even registered, he took a badge of another guy that didn't come	22:30
fernando_	meet ups?	22:30
wazd_	fernando_: yes	22:30
wazd_	qwerty12_N900: no, it isn't a matter of the device	22:31
* kynky got shipping email today :)		22:31
qwerty12_N900	wazd_: Ah, you hate him either way and plan on killing him anyway?	22:31
wazd_	qwerty12_N900: it's a matter of "14 apps = 1 t-shirt"	22:31
wazd_	I'm not sure if I hate someone right now	22:32
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Milhouse	wazd_: good luck to him, lets hope he spreads the good word :)	22:33
wazd_	Btw, as I predicted, there was some dumb PR guy instead of real maemo people	22:33
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Jaffa	crashanddie_: Yeah, that's the kind of thing I was thinking. Might try and do a mockup.	22:33
Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: yes, yes i plan to kill him	22:33
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wazd_	Milhouse: yeah, he's not the worst candidate to get it	22:33
* Xisdibik sharpens his Dagger of qwerty12_N900 bane +5		22:33
Milhouse	wazd_: sounds just like the london meet up	22:33
Milhouse	wazd_: no techies, no programme managers - just marketing types	22:34
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AndrewFBlack	Hey you guys remember when t.m.o was fun to ready?	22:34
qwerty12_N900	Xisdibik: You can have my N800; just ignore that it has an '8' instead of a '9'	22:34
wazd_	Milhouse: fortunately, there was a guy from nokia whom I met in SPB, lot's of interesting discussions	22:35
wazd_	like maemo 6 and multitouch :)	22:35
Jaffa	crashanddie_: Or, after you've dragged a post from the palette on the right; it becomes click to enrich a la http://www.appelsiini.net/projects/jeditable/default.html	22:35
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crashanddie_	Jaffa, nice	22:37
Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: for free?	22:37
AndrewFBlack	I wonder if Reggie can make it so we can Filter Posts by people with less then 100 Posts lol	22:37
crashanddie_	I offered a guy to come and pick up my n810 for free at my office	22:37
crashanddie_	he didn't come	22:37
qwerty12_N900	Xisdibik: For a deposit of blood and your right eye	22:37
Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: make it my left eye and u got a deal	22:38
crashanddie_	AndrewFBlack, then you wouldn't see my posts ;)	22:38
crashanddie_	AndrewFBlack, plus, look at zerojay, he's got well over a 100 posts, but still talks a lot of crap :)	22:38
qwerty12_N900	AndrewFBlack: I like that idea already	22:38
qwerty12_N900	Xisdibik: For that, both eyes	22:38
AndrewFBlack	YeahI guess post count really donesn't matter how about anyone who is an idiot	22:39
crashanddie_	indeed	22:39
crashanddie_	it just means you talk a lot	22:39
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Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: no dice, my left eye is magical though, it can see lies	22:39
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paroneayea	crashanddie_: might I ask you if you know where I can read debugging info from the gps?	22:39
paroneayea	trying ot figure out if it's working, running the maps app doesn't give a position even after standing outside for a bit	22:40
paroneayea	trying *to	22:40
qwerty12_N900	Xisdibik: Damn	22:40
AndrewFBlack	I kinda got offened been people started Giving Dan in USA Crap	22:40
crashanddie_	paroneayea, you should be able to run gpsd in debug mode	22:40
wazd_	funny fact	22:40
wazd_	every demo device had foreca installed	22:40
paroneayea	crashanddie_: aha, cool, thanks :)	22:40
wazd_	every owned device had OMW :D	22:41
crashanddie_	paroneayea, http://gpsd.berlios.de/gpsd.html	22:41
qwerty12_N900	wazd_: The firmware from tablets-dev has an Foreca installer installed, but not Foreca itself	22:41
qwerty12_N900	*a	22:41
konttori	does transmission support DHT, PEX or magnet links?	22:42
wazd_	qwerty12_N900: no, I mean on the desktop	22:42
Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: my right eye you dont want though	22:42
Xisdibik	qwerty12_N900: it sees truth, pureness, and good. it has never seen a single thing :D	22:42
crashanddie_	Xisdibik, he's going to eat it with bacon and cheese, do you seriously think he gives a fack about what it's seen?	22:43
Chiku	openoffice on n900?	22:43
qwerty12_N900	I am?	22:43
crashanddie_	Chiku, please, no	22:43
qwerty12_N900	Xisdibik: Right eye or nothing	22:44
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Xisdibik	crashanddie_: my eye is uneatable. :D	22:45
Xisdibik	but bacon and cheese. mmmmm	22:45
crashanddie_	inedible would be the word you're looking for	22:45
Xisdibik	nope, i wanted to say uneatable. just like i love the incorrect word UNPOSSIBLE :D	22:45
wazd_	http://s39.radikal.ru/i084/0911/ee/4a01a40c2205.jpg	22:45
crashanddie_	no word is incorrect	22:46
paroneayea	crashanddie_: excellent, thx	22:46
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Xisdibik	wazd_: is that yours?	22:46
wazd_	Xisdibik: yes, all of them	22:46
qwerty12_N900	wazd_: Did the iPhone owner get shot with an AK-47?	22:46
Xisdibik	diaf :P	22:46
wazd_	Xisdibik: that's actually stuff from my left pocket only	22:47
Ceron^	wazd_: can you give me one of those n900 <3	22:47
andre__	qwerty12_N900, errrr which one?	22:47
wazd_	qwerty12_N900: no, cause he hates it :D	22:47
* andre__ confused and lost in all those communication channels		22:47
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wazd_	quality is godawful cause my sister used camera before and I was too upset to re-set it	22:48
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qwerty12_N900	andre__: The owner of the iPhone featured in wazd's picture :p	22:48
qwerty12_N900	wazd_: Good choice :p	22:48
andre__	ehehehe	22:48
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wazd_	Ceron^: one is RST38h's and other is the winner's :)	22:48
konttori	ah, I found the magnet support ticked in transmission: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/2096	22:48
Ceron^	wazd_: what winners?	22:49
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wazd_	Ceron^: my friend won n900 at the meet-up	22:49
Ceron^	....	22:49
andre__	qwerty12_N900, hmm. let's try to find out who he is. there's a sushi advertisement on his desk!	22:49
paroneayea	crashanddie_: sorry to pester again, but should gpsd be bundled on the phone by default? It doesn't appear to be	22:49
Ceron^	wazd_: :( i want one	22:49
paroneayea	running "ps auwwwx \| grep gps" yields nothing	22:49
andre__	(and antisushi. interesting term.)	22:49
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qwerty12_N900	andre__: You stalker, you	22:50
konttori	looks like magnet support is going to come pretty soon, as the patch is actively worked on and seems to be almost complete from technical pov	22:50
lcuk	wazd_, is your friend an existing maemo developer?	22:50
lcuk	or are you well pissed that an outsider got it	22:50
wazd_	lcuk: he's a techie guy	22:50
wazd_	lcuk: and a developer anyway :)	22:50
wazd_	lcuk: e97 is his	22:50
lcuk	say hi to RST38h for us	22:50
lcuk	or have you left now	22:50
andre__	so, the guy asking in talk.maemo.org if his favorite porn video website works on the N900 - who wants to answer him? is it only me testing this for him, now watching things and practices that I never ever wanted to see?	22:50
wazd_	lcuk: we're all at home now :)	22:51
qwerty12_N900	andre__: link, please	22:51
Stskeeps	andre__: pink pages?	22:51
andre__	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35016	22:51
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wazd_	#maemo is featured in this shot too btw :D	22:51
lcuk	why oh why did that photo have to be polluted by iCrap	22:51
qwerty12_N900	andre__: Ask the GF to test it, you being on the maemo.org team and all	22:51
wazd_	if you'll look carefully at my n800's screen	22:52
lcuk	its like putting a ford fiesta down at a ferrari convention	22:52
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qwerty12_N900	wazd_: Wrong client =)	22:52
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wazd_	qwerty12_N900: x-chat stopped working for me somehow	22:53
wazd_	qwerty12_N900: it just doesn't start	22:53
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wazd_	qwerty12_N900: and I'm too lazy to reflash	22:53
qwerty12_N900	Heh	22:53
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wazd_	lcuk: I'm pissed casue I got nothing	22:54
lcuk	you got to take part!	22:54
wazd_	lcuk: why shoud I be pissed at the people who just won	22:54
wazd_	I got nothing, then I got nothing, and after that I got nothing	22:55
wazd_	that's all that is humilating	22:55
lcuk	but you were 1 friend away from an n900	22:55
lcuk	qwerty is right	22:55
lcuk	go with the sneak vodka attack	22:55
wazd_	lcuk: it's NOT a matter of actually having n900 at all cost	22:56
wazd_	lcuk: I'm fine without it	22:56
aSIMULAtor	:/	22:56
derf	It's about respect.	22:56
lcuk	wazd that sounds like the sorta talk a person with a crateful at home would say :D	22:57
qwerty12_N900	...next to the AKs	22:57
wazd_	I'm actually quite happy for my friend, never seen anyone fammiliar winning in a lottery before	22:57
paroneayea	looking through `ps auwwwx` it doesn't look like anything gps related is running. Likewise, running `find / -name 'gps'` does not seem to yield anything that looks like it would be a program for running the gps?	22:57
paroneayea	maybe I am wrong in assuming it would be named "gps" something? :)	22:58
crashanddie_	paroneayea, gpsd only runs when you have an app that uses the gps running, IIRC	22:58
crashanddie_	paroneayea, however, this was on the n810, never checked it out on the n900	22:58
wazd_	oh yeah, and Nokia Maps ABSOLUTELY SUCK BALLS	22:58
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qwerty12_N900	konttori: Transmission still has its problems, so I'm hesitant to hit the promote button	22:59
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wazd_	I mean, you should be a tallented guy to make an app that slow on such powerful hardware	22:59
paroneayea	crashanddie_: started up nokia maps, ran `ps auwwwx \| grep gps`, still yields nothing	23:00
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paroneayea	I am starting to suspect that gpsd is not bundled on here	23:00
paroneayea	which would be odd.	23:00
Stskeeps	there's gypsy on n900	23:01
Stskeeps	not gpsd	23:01
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Stskeeps	wazd_: yes, ovi maps sucks	23:01
paroneayea	Stskeeps: aha!	23:02
paroneayea	thanks :)	23:02
andre__	night everybody :)	23:02
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timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: fwiw	23:03
timeless_mbp	in many cases, the problem isn't ovi maps	23:03
timeless_mbp	it's ovi maps' data :)	23:03
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timeless_mbp	(a guy from maps came to visit)	23:03
wazd_	Stskeeps: I can't even imagine why is it so slow	23:03
crashanddie_	wazd_, html	23:03
Stskeeps	timeless_mbp: interaction is bizarre. maps are fine	23:04
suihkulokki	ehm. s60 maps is just fine with same data.	23:04
timeless_mbp	oh	23:04
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: Did you ask him where Detroit is?	23:04
timeless_mbp	write up your problems	23:04
timeless_mbp	yeah	23:04
crashanddie_	if it's any consolation, by the looks of it, Ovi Maps on the N900 is a good approximation of how WebOS is going to suck	23:04
timeless_mbp	fwiw, he even knows that Maine isn't just north of Florida!	23:04
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timeless_mbp	crashanddie_: webos shouldn't suck	23:05
timeless_mbp	unless they hired nokians to write pieces of it	23:05
crashanddie_	timeless_mbp, it will as much as jenna jameson	23:05
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Jaffa	The tech behind WebOS might not suck, but the screenshots I've seen have a really crap, cluttered UI	23:05
RST38h	moo all	23:07
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: urls?	23:07
paroneayea	Stskeeps: so that's interesting, gypsy seems to work but I had to start it manually	23:08
paroneayea	starting up maps didn't start it	23:08
paroneayea	or, it seems to be "searching" :)	23:08
paroneayea	it still hasn't found me.	23:08
wazd_	ùðá Ø öôû öêùòï	23:08
wazd_	oh, I was wrong	23:08
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Dantonic	wtf! amazon price went back up!	23:08
wazd_	it's actually a t-shirt with penguins	23:08
crashanddie_	timeless_mbp, http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content/pics/2009/06/webos-screenshot-sdk-3.png	23:08
wazd_	and lazers	23:09
crashanddie_	timeless_mbp, check out the app bar on the top	23:09
qwerty12_N900	Why does, to me, mobilewhack sound wrong?	23:09
Stskeeps	mobile pink?	23:09
crashanddie_	qwerty12_N900, I think it's illegal to masturbate in a taxi	23:10
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qwerty12_N900	Damn, no ogc there, then	23:11
timeless_mbp	crashanddie_: so the lightning bolt is a bit too close to the screen edge for my taste	23:11
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timeless_mbp	but it's very clean	23:11
crashanddie_	timeless_mbp, it's stupid	23:11
crashanddie_	timeless_mbp, check out some videos	23:11
timeless_mbp	it reminds me of diablo	23:11
crashanddie_	timeless_mbp, they try to invent new gestures, like having an arrow on the left hand of the screen to go back in a menu, completely disabling that area	23:11
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Jaffa	timeless_mbp: http://www.zone-numerique.com/uploads/Logiciels/Palm/WebOS/palm_webos_450_3.jpg and http://www.zone-numerique.com/uploads/Logiciels/Palm/WebOS/palm_webos_450_3.jpg	23:11
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crashanddie_	the screen is so sensitive that you cancel your stuff very quickly and stuff	23:12
hotaru2k3	hmmm... i found a site supposedly selling the n900 for $250... think it's legit?	23:12
Arkenoi	hotaru: i doubt	23:12
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: all things considered, i like that calendar view better than ours	23:12
timeless_mbp	a lot better actually	23:12
crashanddie_	hotaru2k3, sure, they buy it from Nokia at $580 and sell it for $250, what's not legit?	23:12
Arkenoi	here in russia n900 is $1k, looks quite crazy	23:13
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: that shows me which parts of my day is busy	23:13
crashanddie_	Jaffa, damn you for posting the same URL twice	23:13
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: Bits of it seem a bit overdone; but I can't find any examples right now	23:13
timeless_mbp	instead of just having random lines	23:13
jaska	$500 in corruption fees?	23:13
timeless_mbp	i like the way they collapsed time on the right too	23:13
paroneayea	hey	23:13
Jaffa	crashanddie_: Ah, I thought it was two separate images	23:13
lcuk	pillar, talk in here about your n900!	23:13
paroneayea	it works! :)	23:14
paroneayea	I had to start gypsy-daemon manually, but now it works :)	23:14
lcuk	talk everywhere about it :D glad you are liking it	23:14
paroneayea	/usr/libexec/gypsy-daemon --no-daemon	23:14
mzz	in http://www.mobilewhack.com/wp-content/pics/2009/06/webos-screenshot-sdk-3.png I don't understand why most things are right-to-left	23:14
Ceron^	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF3WfHWzzOU&feature=player_embedded	23:14
timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: the european list price is roughly 750USD	23:14
timeless_mbp	so seeing it for 1000USD in russia wouldn't shock me	23:14
Ceron^	mzz: in china you read from right to left	23:14
mzz	Ceron^: yes, but this is english	23:14
Ceron^	:D	23:14
* Jaffa beds		23:15
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: so.... Clear 56F / F \| 13C / C	23:15
mzz	it can't be chinese, I can read it	23:15
timeless_mbp	any idea why it has 2 Fs and 2 Cs ?	23:15
konttori	qwerty12_N900: ah, I have been just enjoying so much that I would gladly see it show up in random users catalogues as well	23:15
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qwerty12_N900	konttori: Ah, well, glad to hear it :)	23:17
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n6pfk	Are there any video chat apps for the N810?	23:19
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fernando_	should tear.db have a specific owner? ...wait nvm I think I just have it owned by root	23:21
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fernando_	lol	23:21
wazd_	timeless_mbp: we have a fair 600 euros price	23:22
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krfkeith	hey	23:23
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krfkeith	just got my new N900!	23:24
krfkeith	yay!	23:24
Stskeeps	cool, welcome to the crowd :)	23:24
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krfkeith	Stskeeps: thanks!	23:24
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krfkeith	however, for some reason everytime I try to use one of the emulators I got from maemo.org, the program crashes	23:24
denky	what's up with the maemo repos? I'm getting 401's both in the n900 aswell as in scrachbox.	23:25
crashanddie_	denky, could they be down?	23:25
Stskeeps	denky: there's reported issues with them	23:25
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krfkeith	denky: I've been using them fine atm	23:25
Stskeeps	there's a talk thread on them. refresh a couple of times and you may avoid them	23:25
crashanddie_	denky, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/e/eightyone/ looks fine from here	23:25
paroneayea	one thing I really appreciate about the n900	23:26
crashanddie_	paroneayea, yeah, me too	23:26
paroneayea	it is 100% usable without command line and programming skills	23:26
denky	Yeah, retrying seems to work sometimes. But my scratchbox can't get dick done.	23:26
paroneayea	but	23:26
paroneayea	having those skills augments that	23:26
crashanddie_	denky, apt-get install dick?	23:26
Veggen	how is it to use as a phone?	23:26
qwerty12_N900	denky: scratchbox <======8	23:26
crashanddie_	Veggen, awesome, really	23:27
Veggen	compared to, say, the iPhone?	23:27
denky	:-)	23:27
paroneayea	Veggen: it's fantastic	23:27
* Arkenoi just got my n900 as well, won one on maemo meetup ;-)		23:27
paroneayea	it works great as a phone	23:27
paroneayea	also works great as a computer	23:27
pupnik_	nice win	23:27
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paroneayea	it works great as both	23:27
lcuk	Arkenoi, coool are you .ru?	23:27
denky	awesome, I've only had it for a day. (long time n810 user though)	23:27
krfkeith	it jsut works great	23:27
Arkenoi	yep	23:27
timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: sorry, make that 900USD	23:27
crashanddie_	Veggen, skype calls are good, even over 3g	23:27
Veggen	I'm considering one, when I can get to one in physical store. I do want to look and touch one before I buy, though.	23:27
timeless_mbp	i'm tired	23:27
timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: ...	23:27
lcuk	it works well as a hammer too and sometimes as a mirror	23:27
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timeless_mbp	the list price in europe is 600EUR	23:27
krfkeith	has anyone had this issue with the emulators?	23:27
timeless_mbp	at 1.5USD per 1EUR, that's 900USD	23:27
timeless_mbp	so your 1000USD is only 100USD more than the european list price	23:28
pupnik_	what issue	23:28
Veggen	(I do have the n810, but buying a n900 depends on its phone usability - if I want to use it as my primary phone or not)	23:28
qwerty12_N900	krfkeith: What emulator, and what's the file name?	23:28
timeless_mbp	which is really not that bad	23:28
paroneayea	too bad blender mostly requires being able to right click	23:28
paroneayea	would be fun to use on the device	23:28
paroneayea	I may port it over anyway	23:28
krfkeith	qwerty12_N900: iNES, and VGBA	23:28
denky	Took a while to find the usual packages. Still haven't found screen, tcpdump and other such tools, though. Wouldn't mind porting them myself, but I'm sure someone has already done all that.	23:28
Arkenoi	won't sell it, the keyboard is not as good as e90, but that's maemo and s60 sucks	23:28
lcuk	krfkeith, if you are having problems with the emulators (or any apps) try to follow the bug reporting url specified iwth the app and file bugs.	23:28
timeless_mbp	ok, help	23:28
qwerty12_N900	krfkeith: Trying to load a zip file?	23:28
pupnik_	how bout a hack to map camera button to right-click on n900	23:28
lcuk	help make maemo better and more stable for yourself and those that follow	23:28
Arkenoi	so i keep this one	23:28
krfkeith	lcuk: ok,will do	23:28
timeless_mbp	anyone here familiar w/ mmap?	23:28
denky	rsync -ave ssh --progress k@10.0.0.8:eos .	23:28
pupnik_	for that specific app	23:29
denky	oops	23:29
krfkeith	qwerty12_N900: DUH! I'm an idiot! is there an unzip utility for maemo?	23:29
lcuk	krfkeith, normally theres lots of emu guys in here for the different ones, if you explain specifically which app and what you did	23:29
denky	and hey, what's up with maemomapper?	23:29
Arkenoi	is there better contact search application that works well without qwerty?	23:29
lcuk	someone should at least be able to try and find out	23:29
qwerty12_N900	krfkeith: Not outside of extras-devel :\	23:29
paroneayea	whoa	23:29
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paroneayea	just discovered the zoom in/out buttons	23:29
paroneayea	hmmm	23:30
paroneayea	oh hey	23:30
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timeless_mbp	krfkeith: unzip is kinda included in the backup app	23:30
Arkenoi	it's really great nokia did not drop irda, i like irda ;-)	23:30
timeless_mbp	since it uses .zip files for backups :)	23:30
timeless_mbp	but i've never tried to abuse it	23:30
krfkeith	timeless_mbp: so you can use it to unzip or not?	23:30
Arkenoi	do you compile on-device, without cross toolchain?	23:31
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qwerty12_N900	Arkenoi: For sharing files?	23:31
Arkenoi	i like to have my development environment with me	23:31
paroneayea	Arkenoi: I've been considering doing that too	23:31
krfkeith	will OS2008 apps work on Freemantle?	23:31
timeless_mbp	krfkeith: i've never tried to abuse it	23:31
timeless_mbp	but i suspect i could	23:31
krfkeith	sorry for such a stupid ?	23:31
qwerty12_N900	zap: Port Xarchiver :)	23:32
Arkenoi	qwerty: for sharing files it is too slow, but for sending contact cards it is better than bt as there is no need to search and pair (yes, some crazy devices cannot receive without pairing)	23:32
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Arkenoi	and i do not want to pair with anyone, that's damn insecure ;-)	23:32
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krfkeith	I'm going to try and compile 0 A.D. (age of empires clone) for Maemo5	23:33
qwerty12_N900	Arkenoi: Ah, Nokia haven't provided support for sending files using it and I'm not entirely sure it can recieve signals, either...	23:33
krfkeith	maemo is debian based right?	23:33
paroneayea	krfkeith: correct, it is a debian derivative	23:34
krfkeith	ah good	23:34
paroneayea	packages are not quite the same as debian	23:34
krfkeith	oh darn	23:34
Arkenoi	qwerty: does it work as remote control?	23:34
krfkeith	so debian stuff won't work directly I guess	23:34
Stskeeps	krfkeith: give it a try and see if it works, best way	23:34
paroneayea	correct	23:34
krfkeith	i.e., I can't use debian arm repositories	23:34
Stskeeps	armel	23:34
qwerty12_N900	Arkenoi: Sure; check irreco	23:34
denky	maemomapper for n900, where on earth is it?	23:35
paroneayea	krfkeith: well, there is apparently an optify thing	23:35
Stskeeps	denky: garage.maemo.org	23:35
krfkeith	Stskeeps: will do	23:35
Arkenoi	qwerty: sounds quite strange as sending files is standard linux irda stack capability	23:35
krfkeith	paroneayea: what's optify?	23:35
denky	right, ofcourse	23:35
Stskeeps	denky: the guy who made it is now working for google..	23:35
krfkeith	does it convert .deb to whatever maemo uses?	23:35
pillar	lcuk, sorry been busy trying to configure things on it :)	23:35
paroneayea	krfkeith: not sure if that's the name, but maemo .deb files install in /opt instead of /usr	23:35
paroneayea	to keep /usr flashable and other optimizations	23:35
paroneayea	so if you install an arm package into /usr	23:36
krfkeith	paroneayea: ok	23:36
qwerty12_N900	Arkenoi: Think it's there for developers to use as they wish, so if someone does hack it to allow it to send files :)	23:36
paroneayea	you'll run out of space	23:36
paroneayea	fast :)	23:36
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paroneayea	I haven't tried it, someone recommended that I do though	23:36
paroneayea	I am trying to learn packaging so I can be useful	23:36
pillar	lcuk trying to make xterm utf-8 friendly and adding up/down/alt to xterm virtual button list	23:36
greenfly	pillar: don't need alt	23:37
lcuk	cool, qole posted a set of keys he uses lots for term	23:37
pillar	greenfly how come?	23:37
greenfly	pillar: in a terminal, Esc and Alt are interchangeable, apparently	23:37
denky	Stskeeps: figures... :)	23:37
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pillar	lcuk yeah, noticed that one :)	23:37
qwerty12_N900	pillar: Nokia, being the genii that they are, removed the dialog for adding shortcuts in the X Terminal app itself. You'll have to edit its GConf keys	23:37
lardman	hmm, anyone know how I can rip a CD using Ubuntu Karmic Koala?	23:38
greenfly	lardman: various options but I still like grip the best	23:38
greenfly	there's also soundjuicer	23:38
lardman	I can't find the mount point for the drive	23:38
paroneayea	so the "slider" that is next to the headphone port	23:38
paroneayea	what is that for?	23:38
paroneayea	it clearly isn't for opening the case	23:38
greenfly	paroneayea: locks the screen	23:38
qwerty12_N900	Locking the tablet	23:38
paroneayea	greenfly: aha	23:38
paroneayea	that makes screen locking much easier :)	23:39
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paroneayea	hey, maybe I can remap that one to an alt key ;)	23:39
* paroneayea still searching for a good way to get alt		23:39
greenfly	why do you need alt?	23:40
paroneayea	I guess I can just remap execute-extended-command in emacs (M-x)	23:40
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paroneayea	emacs nerd :)	23:40
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pekuja	is it easy to remap keys on Maemo? does xmodmap work?	23:40
qwerty12_N900	Use vi - problem solved =)	23:40
greenfly	ahh. Esc works in a terminal but I don't know about in emacs	23:40
pillar	qwerty yeah that's what I'm trying, I'm such a newbie with this kind of things	23:40
paroneayea	qwerty12_N900: never! :)	23:40
Arkenoi	looks like i canoot access sim toolkit from maemo	23:41
paroneayea	actually I do use vi	23:41
paroneayea	sometimes	23:41
greenfly	paroneayea: how are you going to do all the emacs combo keys with your thumbs?	23:41
pillar	greenfly: you are probably right, I remember using esc on mac	23:41
hotaru2k3	real vi, busybox vi, or vim?	23:41
paroneayea	greenfly: most "emacs combos" are just successions of two keys pressed at once	23:41
pillar	green: I wanted alt for changing channels on irssi	23:41
paroneayea	either ctrl+key or alt+key	23:42
paroneayea	so, you already are doing ctrl+key with the n900 keyboard	23:42
greenfly	pillar: yeah I use Esc for that in irssi	23:42
greenfly	works just fine	23:42
pillar	greenfly: nice, thanks	23:42
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krfkeith	what's the defualt root password	23:43
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paroneayea	krfkeith: if you type "sudo gainroot" you don't enter one	23:43
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qwerty12_N900	~root-access	23:43
infobot	i heard root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access	23:43
paroneayea	and when you install ssh-server it'll prompt you for a password for root	23:43
paroneayea	ah, every channel needs an infobot of some sort hm ? :)	23:44
pillar	krfkeith: also, installing ssh-server ... paroneayea beat me to it	23:44
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greenfly	no ssh as root! :)	23:44
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paroneayea	greenfly: not my fault! Those are maemo defaults :)	23:45
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crashanddie_	just deactivate password login and slam a certificate in there	23:46
greenfly	at least it prompts you to enter a password...	23:46
* greenfly glares at jailbroken iphones		23:46
pillar	:)	23:46
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paroneayea	crashanddie_: assuming you meant using public key auth, that's certainly the right route	23:47
felbutss	hey guys. i dont know if u guys remebr me from a few hours ago what i was having problems flashing my n900 with flasher, as my firmware update with NSU stoped half way.	23:47
felbutss	flash still cant detect my N900. i was reading the redme file and notice i have to put it in flashing mode	23:47
crashanddie_	felbutss, no, not really	23:48
Stskeeps	felbutss: you can try to hold down 'u'	23:48
felbutss	i hold down u then plug the USB cable in but nothing happens	23:48
Stskeeps	u on the n900 i assume?	23:48
felbutss	yep	23:48
timeless_mbp	paroneayea: afaik installing into /opt doesn't make your system flashable	23:48
timeless_mbp	in fact, it should make your system hosed	23:48
timeless_mbp	because when you flash, we forget that you have stuff in /opt	23:48
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timeless_mbp	and if you try to install or update those packages, afaik, you should get awful conflicts	23:49
Stskeeps	felbutss: any success charging it?	23:49
felbutss	ye its charged	23:49
felbutss	lemi try a few things	23:49
felbutss	fingers crossed	23:49
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hcarrega	hi	23:50
paroneayea	timeless_mbp: well, there was some justification for the incompatible-opt-silliness	23:50
paroneayea	I assumed that was some part of it :)	23:50
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Stskeeps	felbutss: could you for fun try to do flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R	23:51
Stskeeps	and see if that changes anything	23:52
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pillar	green: yep, esc works! now if I could only get the xterm show scandinavic keys right in irssi.. they do work fine in the shell	23:52
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Stskeeps	qwerty12_N900: saw there's now a 'qwertyberty' on t.m.o? ;p	23:53
hcarrega	hi	23:54
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qwerty12_N900	Damn these fakes!	23:54
krfkeith	I was looking at xarchiver, and it said I needed to install certain utilites, so I used apt-get and it doesn't show them	23:54
Stskeeps	i thought it was like a retarded qwerty ;)	23:54
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VDVsx	qwertyberty == trolling qwerty12_N900 :P	23:55
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lcuk	where is xchat	23:56
Shapeshifter	lol n900 crybabies	23:56
lcuk	and why is -devel down and is it stopping the autobuilder	23:56
felbutss	C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode -R flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) Suitable USB device not found, waiting.	23:56
felbutss	:(	23:57
Stskeeps	felbutss: original USB cable?	23:57
felbutss	yep	23:57
felbutss	was in the box	23:57
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Stskeeps	felbutss: and try to pull battery, plug in battery, insert usb	23:57
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felbutss	running out of ideas. tryed that two about 30 times lol.	23:58
felbutss	ill do a few more things	23:58
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felbutss	it just keeps restarting and doing weird things.	23:58
Stskeeps	felbutss: so did you buy or did you win it, btw? :P	23:58
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felbutss	win	23:58
felbutss	how can i check if its a pre prod	23:59
Stskeeps	under the cover usually, under battery	23:59
Stskeeps	but it sounds weird that this happens :P	23:59
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felbutss	it does lol	23:59

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