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| wazd | Stskeeps: :D | 00:00 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep | 00:01 |
| CoreFusion- | hello everyone! | 00:01 |
| wazd | Shapeshifter: Droids keyboard is an abomination | 00:01 |
| jebbajeb | crashanddie: no, i dont know which script you are talking about. This is a case where the source .deb isn't in the repo (e.g. it's in lenny,. but not fremantle). You got URL to script? | 00:02 |
| Shapeshifter | wazd: looks like it | 00:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that's so goddamn creepy. | 00:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'm really impressed with apparent n900 battery life | 00:08 |
| Shapeshifter | looks like it's no problem. | 00:08 |
| javispedro | why you say that? | 00:08 |
| Shapeshifter | ? | 00:09 |
| javispedro | what makes you say that? | 00:09 |
| * Stskeeps 's n900 charges just like he charges overnight. | 00:09 | |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: people reporting that they can use it through a day including some surfing and stuff without it dying. | 00:10 |
| javispedro | i'm used to a two day charge cycle and even that seems a bit on the low side. | 00:10 |
| cehteh | how long does it take to charge it on the charger .. and how long on a normal usb port? | 00:10 |
| Shapeshifter | well yeah, it's not much, but if it lasts a day thats acceptable | 00:10 |
| javispedro | only a day with "some surfing" and you consider that impressive? | 00:10 |
| Shapeshifter | less then a day of heavy use would be unusable | 00:10 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: not impressive, I said "not a problem" | 00:11 |
| CoreFusion- | just carry the usb-charger with you.. problem solved? | 00:11 |
| * Chani almost drained it yesterday | 00:11 | |
| Shapeshifter | CoreFusion-: what, do I have a usb plug on my butt? >.> | 00:11 |
| Chani | for a brand new battery... meh. | 00:11 |
| Shapeshifter | or what use is taking the usb charger with you | 00:11 |
| CoreFusion- | shapeshifter: what? you don't have access to an usb port at any time of the day? | 00:12 |
| Shapeshifter | CoreFusion-: no I dont >.> | 00:12 |
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| javispedro | I do | 00:12 |
| Shapeshifter | why would I need a "mobile computer" if I had a real computer all the time | 00:12 |
| Mek | disabling wifi powersaving makes it drain rather quickly, but unfortunately that is the only way I seem to be able to keep it somewhat connected to the wifi here at home... fortunately charging it is no problem when I'm home | 00:12 |
| Chani | CoreFusion-: sadly they're not installing them in forests or at beaches yet | 00:12 |
| javispedro | but I've fried two gadgets connecting them to "random" USB ports | 00:12 |
| Chani | :/' | 00:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'm wondering if I should sign that extra insurance for my n900. Costs 120$ for one year but they pay for every kind of damage like dropping the phone, scratching the display hard, water damage, all the stuff that is usually not covered | 00:13 |
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| Thephilosoper | time for a troll ? | 00:14 |
| CoreFusion- | hmm?? | 00:15 |
| tKMFDM | i find that my n900 usually charges within 2-3 hours | 00:15 |
| CoreFusion- | doesn't your home-insurance cover things like that? | 00:15 |
| Shapeshifter | CoreFusion-: no. | 00:15 |
| Thephilosoper | is there someone that have a preproduction here ? | 00:15 |
| Shapeshifter | CoreFusion-: are you living in paradise? | 00:15 |
| CoreFusion- | shapeshifter: yes :P finland | 00:15 |
| Shapeshifter | usb ports everywhere, insurances pay for damage caused by oneself | 00:16 |
| Shapeshifter | CoreFusion-: well | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | 30 minutes to 80%, then 2 hours to 100%. | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | More on a regular USB bus. | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N900 | CoreFusion-: I didn't know paradise was going to be so cold :( | 00:16 |
| CoreFusion- | shapeshifter: my home insurance would cover if i were to damage the device too badly | 00:16 |
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| GAN900 | Chani, not sure what you expect from such a high-performance device. | 00:17 |
| Shapeshifter | CoreFusion-: lucky. | 00:17 |
| CoreFusion- | qwerty12_N900: there has to be at least one downside :P | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N900 | :p | 00:17 |
| GAN900 | Unfortunately technology is where it is. | 00:17 |
| Chani | GAN900: well I only tried to make *one* phone call with it... | 00:17 |
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| Chani | well, skype call | 00:17 |
| * Chani lives in the land of cellphone lock-in | 00:17 | |
| CoreFusion- | shapeshifter: of course there is a fee that i would have to pay, say 120e but the insurance company would pay the rest | 00:17 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe I should buy an msi xslim instead of the n900 | 00:18 |
| Shapeshifter | 8 hours of heavy use and it's a lap top >.> | 00:18 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe I shouldn't buy anything at all | 00:18 |
| CoreFusion- | 00:18 | |
| CoreFusion- | blasphemy | 00:18 |
| CoreFusion- | :P | 00:19 |
| Chani | battery life is part of the reason I don't really *want* to use this thing as a phone, though. if using the interwebs for a few hours and listening to some music kills my battery, what am I gonna do if I need to make a phone call on the way home? | 00:19 |
| Shapeshifter | my crap LG died now I'm using a 6310i | 00:19 |
| Shapeshifter | I think it was the best phone on the market for more then a year ^^ | 00:19 |
| CoreFusion- | chani: there are sim-locked phones in here too, but not all of them, depents on the operator | 00:20 |
| Chani | sim-locked? | 00:20 |
| Shapeshifter | Chani: just keep a small crap phone with you for calls? | 00:20 |
| pupnik_ | ok this is so awesome. pandora advertisements in classic gaming themes http://pandorapress.net/2009/10/28/retro-pandora-makeovers-we-wish-were-real/ | 00:20 |
| Chani | Shapeshifter: yep. I have nokia's absolute cheapest phone | 00:20 |
| pupnik_ | way way too cool | 00:20 |
| Chani | CoreFusion-: at least you have a sim card, then... | 00:20 |
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| CoreFusion- | http://openpandora.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/pannodore64.jpg lol, may take up to 2 months to load programs | 00:21 |
| CoreFusion- | chani: :) | 00:21 |
| javispedro | they're lying | 00:21 |
| javispedro | the pandora doesn't have 64K RAM!!! | 00:22 |
| Shapeshifter | I recommend this http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_kg275-2155.php cost me 10$ with 20$ talk time included. You need to buy a couple of them though, on mine the speaker went bust after 10 months | 00:22 |
| CoreFusion- | shapeshifter: why would one buy such? can't you such buy a second-hand phone for the same price but better features? | 00:23 |
| Shapeshifter | CoreFusion-: guess so. but why better features? | 00:23 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 00:23 |
| CoreFusion- | shapeshifter: like speakers that last longer? :P | 00:24 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 00:24 |
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| CoreFusion- | argh.. i can't wait until my operator installs my adsl-connection here... (just moved to a new apartment) | 00:25 |
| CoreFusion- | currently using my 3g connection :) | 00:26 |
| serenity | http://imagebin.ca/view/ByI4AI.html where is the 'send' button in pidgin? | 00:27 |
| w00t_ | http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/5238 | 00:28 |
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| pupnik_ | maemo5 feature idea: keep themes on /opt except current theme | 00:30 |
| serenity | thanks | 00:30 |
| pupnik_ | instead of /usr/share | 00:30 |
| Ceron^ | http://i.imgur.com/nAqPa.jpg | 00:30 |
| pupnik_ | save 10 MB here | 00:30 |
| Thephilosoper | is it me or maemo5 is really more like a field test for maemo 6 ? | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, prefer to boot from SD asap | 00:31 |
| lcuk | ill get an 8gb / or whatever and forget all this | 00:31 |
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| pupnik_ | i am showing maemo5 to real non-computer people and | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | good point lcuk | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | but current scheme saves battery | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | i think | 00:31 |
| pupnik_ | and they think it looks super. | 00:32 |
| * lcuk totally agrees | 00:32 | |
| pupnik_ | but they are not 500 eu phone buyers either | 00:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | Ceron^: LOL what a laugh. | 00:37 |
| Chani | it certainly is shiny | 00:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | pupnik_: huh? how does the scheme save battery? | 00:39 |
| pupnik_ | i suspect rootfs is less a drain than microsd | 00:39 |
| Shapeshifter | ah. I thought you meant theme by scheme | 00:39 |
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| pupnik_ | anyway, should i file brainstorm or feature req | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | this channel *is* my notepad :) | 00:40 |
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| javispedro | 3+3? | 00:42 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: 5? | 00:42 |
| javispedro | thanks | 00:42 |
| javispedro | ah, damn rocket science. | 00:42 |
| CoreFusion- | wohoo! only little over 22 hours until the new season of Top Gear starts!!! \o/ \o/ \o/ | 00:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | \m/ | 00:43 |
| pupnik_ | corefusion - did you see sabine schmitz on Top Gear? Nordschleife? | 00:49 |
| pupnik_ | check out the youtube | 00:49 |
| pupnik_ | she almost beats him in a ford transit | 00:49 |
| pupnik_ | 136 hp van vs 240 hp jaguar | 00:50 |
| Shapeshifter | pupnik_: do you know tab completion? | 00:51 |
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| CoreFusion- | pupnik_: do you mean the one from one of the earlier seasons | 00:52 |
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| wazd | ok, another miserable day is over, gnite all | 00:59 |
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| Stskeeps | gnite wazd | 01:01 |
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| recalcati | good morning | 01:06 |
| dmj7261 | Are there any game/graphics engines ported to Maemo? | 01:07 |
| dmj7261 | I'm thinking openGL (es 2.0 I know) ones | 01:08 |
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| recalcati | I'll buy an N900 for work, but I also like to use it as a pc: see my wiki page http://www.opensurf.it/w/index.php/N900 | 01:08 |
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| pupnik_ | CoreFusion-: yes, Shapeshifter yes | 01:13 |
| pupnik_ | dmj7261: quake3 | 01:14 |
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| recalcati | the topic is not stupid, It seems that tha battery lasts 4h 45min | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | recalcati, what battery? | 01:16 |
| recalcati | N900 | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | recalcati, and what's the test? | 01:16 |
| recalcati | http://www.opensurf.it/w/index.php/N900 | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I get about 4-6 hours of video playback. | 01:16 |
| zerojay | Okay... TMO is now... well... pretty much useless. | 01:16 |
| recalcati | sorry, italian language in the link inside | 01:17 |
| pupnik_ | expect the battery does not last 4h 45min | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, I dunno what they're doing to get 4:45. | 01:17 |
| pupnik_ | it last much more, or less, usually | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | recalcati, what are the testing parameters? | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | recalcati, I don't read Italian. | 01:17 |
| recalcati | I'll try to traslate to english, but I think is understable | 01:17 |
| javispedro | stress testing results in 3 hours | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, just NOW? ;) | 01:17 |
| javispedro | from what I know at least. | 01:17 |
| pupnik_ | depends enturely on use, as with all advanced power management devices | 01:18 |
| recalcati | direct link http://www.allmobileworld.it/?p=22824 | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I got ~6 hours with ~70% CPU usage, WiFi connected and screen off. | 01:18 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I've never seen it this retarded before. | 01:18 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: but 5 hours is what the N810 lasts here with 90% CPU usage, Wi-Fi connected and screen on. | 01:18 |
| pupnik_ | mobile phone folks think they know everything | 01:18 |
| recalcati | I'm trying to understand what is useful to have a really mobile pc | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, the retardations been more directed before (conspiracy insanity), but it's pretty spammy now. | 01:18 |
| recalcati | http://www.opensurf.it/w/index.php/N900 specify, in english, what I mean | 01:19 |
| zerojay | absolutely. | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, that's also with cellular, IM, GPS, etc. | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, OMAP3 really brings a LOT more variability to power consumption | 01:19 |
| recalcati | I'm buying it for work | 01:19 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I agree. | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | since it's HIGHLY dependent on what's currently happening. | 01:19 |
| pupnik_ | recalcati: it is not intended as a mibile pc in the general sense, for the targeted audience. that is a blend of specific use-cases. | 01:20 |
| recalcati | what about the bluetooth real keyboard . | 01:20 |
| pupnik_ | sharing this, connecting that. that is the emphasis we see from nokia | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | recalcati, in real usage I get about 10-16 hours. | 01:20 |
| recalcati | pupnik_: yes, is an experiment, but in 2011/12 with omap4 it will be really possible | 01:20 |
| Shapeshifter | my desktop lasts for months | 01:20 |
| Shapeshifter | at 100% cpu | 01:20 |
| Shapeshifter | and screen on | 01:20 |
| Shapeshifter | hahaa! behold | 01:21 |
| recalcati | Shapeshifter: your desktop is not mobile | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | recalcati, browsing occasionally, WiFi or EDGE connected 24/7, IRC and IM idling all day. | 01:21 |
| Shapeshifter | recalcati: well, not unless I move it. | 01:21 |
| recalcati | GeneralAntilles: nice, I buy it and try! | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, 'course then it instantly turns off. ;) | 01:21 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: indeed :D | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, those grapple things creep me out. | 01:21 |
| pupnik_ | however I personally love them as little linux pcs | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, though they're surprisingly tasty. | 01:22 |
| recalcati | Shapeshifter: you have to carry with you a diesel energy central (I don't know the english term) | 01:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Generator? | 01:22 |
| recalcati | please I need to understand if bluettoth keyboard is a good solution | 01:23 |
| recalcati | GeneralAntilles: yes | 01:23 |
| cehteh | there was some post i seen earlier complaining that a lot keys dont work | 01:23 |
| cehteh | but thats likely only matter of x config | 01:23 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm I'm not sure about the USB host mode thing (is there any news on that?) because I actually think that if you can connect a keyboard through USB there's no point for bluetooth really | 01:24 |
| Shapeshifter | bluetooth keyboards I mean | 01:24 |
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| recalcati | cehteh: we will fix it, but I'm afraid about energy requested by bluetooth | 01:24 |
| recalcati | Shapeshifter: I'll investigated it, I think that qt can accept several inputs | 01:25 |
| Shapeshifter | recalcati: it's more about if the n900 can do it in general | 01:25 |
| cehteh | recalcati: well since you want a monitor that means you have a power outlet available or? | 01:25 |
| Shapeshifter | I've only ever heard rumours about it being "possible to hack in" or whatever | 01:25 |
| cehteh | plugin the charger and fine | 01:25 |
| recalcati | if you read the wiki I imagine to replace its battery with a bigger one, but, anyway, I have to try it before. | 01:25 |
| cehteh | i am rather scared by PAL resolution for working ... that sux :P | 01:26 |
| recalcati | cehteh: yes, Iknow, but we'll have 1080p with the nect device, even if omap3 can manage easily 720p | 01:27 |
| cehteh | http://nokiaexperts.com/nokia-n900-tips-bluetooth-keyboard-external-display/ | 01:28 |
| recalcati | I image to resize 567i to 720p, should be really nice, but it will require more energy | 01:28 |
| pupnik_ | do we have a "locate" that can use crawler data? | 01:28 |
| cehteh | recalcati: i dont know the video out specs .. but with a simple composite cable you dont get much more than pal .. at a bad quality | 01:28 |
| pupnik_ | or is that another project idea? | 01:28 |
| Shapeshifter | so... from what I'm reading the n900 is USB host capable but it's not certified because it can't go together with usb charging so it's not oficially implemented in any way or what? | 01:28 |
| pupnik_ | right | 01:29 |
| cehteh | is Xephyr available on mameo / n900? | 01:29 |
| pupnik_ | what for? | 01:30 |
| Shapeshifter | But, is it being implemented unofficially? Will it work? | 01:30 |
| * cehteh often work that way that he exports a emacs window via wlan to his desktop ... | 01:30 | |
| pupnik_ | this is #maemo irc, emacs is another OS ;) | 01:31 |
| cehteh | instead just one app one could export a whole session with xephyr there :) .. yes mad idea | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, it CAN go together with charging. | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, but I think there were some issues. | 01:31 |
| cehteh | pupnik_: well maybe i replace maemo with emacs someday | 01:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, but there were some issues so they were just going to ship unofficial support | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and apparently the USB consortium said "No, either it works, or you break it." | 01:32 |
| pupnik_ | does emacs have an ebay auction monitor yet? | 01:32 |
| cehteh | pupnik_: not sure, but likely | 01:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: so they broke it? | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, that's the impression I'm under. | 01:33 |
| Shapeshifter | :'( | 01:33 |
| cehteh | anyways what i wanted to say: exporting x11 over wlan works well | 01:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | They had to do something to make it difficult to use or else they wouldn't have been able to call whatever they put in there USB. | 01:33 |
| recalcati | vpbe (video processing back end) cpu interface is capable of 720p, see http://tiexpressdsp.com/index.php/FAQ_OMAP35x_Linux_PSP | 01:34 |
| cehteh | better than TV out prolly | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, basically, the USB consortium isn't actually out to protect consumers. ;) | 01:34 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 01:34 |
| recalcati | the main Texas wiki site is http://wiki.davincidsp.com | 01:34 |
| pupnik_ | cehteh, maemo has freenx client qtnx | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | help | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ping | 01:35 |
| cehteh | i bet we will see n900 docking stations soonafter .. with keyboard, monitor and maybe disk :) | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, pong? | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | didn't someone file a bug about the ok/cancel buttons in gmail? | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't find it | 01:35 |
| Shapeshifter | I hope nokia just cut a line on the board and printed "solder here" on the board for everyone to enable it | 01:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, I'm not familiar with the issue | 01:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I haven't been tracking recent changes well lately. | 01:35 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5130 | 01:35 |
| povbot | Bug 5130: Use of "yes/no" in JavaScript confirmation dialogues is confusing | 01:35 |
| pupnik_ | any electrical engineers wanna peek at that fm transmitter? mine can transmit 20 centimeters | 01:36 |
| pupnik_ | on a good frequency | 01:36 |
| cehteh | extra battery packs connected to the usb port should be also quite easy to build | 01:36 |
| pupnik_ | or is this another blessing of government for us | 01:37 |
| pupnik_ | or purchase | 01:37 |
| recalcati | cehteh: please explain better... | 01:38 |
| pupnik_ | !g "powered usb hub" | 01:38 |
| recalcati | Where can I buy it? | 01:38 |
| cehteh | recalcati: i meant rather self build | 01:38 |
| pupnik_ | dealextreme.com has some new ones in for aboit 7 dollars | 01:38 |
| pupnik_ | usb battery packs that is | 01:38 |
| recalcati | cehteh: ok, but I'm afradi that the original battery can suffer for several recharging | 01:39 |
| cehteh | get some battery pack, some DCDC voltage regulator, a 200ohms resistor and a mini usb plug and don | 01:39 |
| pupnik_ | original nokia batteries for n900 can be found for 14 eu i think | 01:39 |
| recalcati | cehteh: A good way to destroy the N900, or not? | 01:39 |
| cehteh | recalcati: its not *that* expensive | 01:39 |
| cehteh | no why? | 01:40 |
| pupnik_ | why risk it. tur off, swap battery. buy external charger | 01:40 |
| cehteh | you can prolly operate it completely on external power ... just keep the internal battery there because the device needs it | 01:40 |
| cehteh | pupnik_: whats the risk? | 01:40 |
| pupnik_ | you will lug around an ugly mess instead of one slim spare battery | 01:41 |
| pupnik_ | risk looking like a loser at the cafe | 01:41 |
| recalcati | nothing, I'm not goood with hw, but I remember something about voltage transient | 01:41 |
| cehteh | what does the original charger do? | 01:41 |
| recalcati | thx, you are all very very kind, my wiki is now better | 01:41 |
| cehteh | or actually usb chargers are standardized by now | 01:42 |
| pupnik_ | usb trickle-charges, charger quick-charges | 01:42 |
| cehteh | specs are open and selfbuild or from other vendor things have to be compatible when fullfil the specs | 01:43 |
| pupnik_ | i would buy nokia due to n900 being so dear | 01:43 |
| Macer | anybody here good with dns ? | 01:43 |
| Macer | _xmpp-server._tcp.yourdomain.com zimbraserver.yourdomain.com | 01:44 |
| Macer | that doesn't seem right | 01:44 |
| recalcati | thx, Im going bed. See you next time. | 01:44 |
| Macer | i don't understand where that would go | 01:44 |
| * cehteh goes to bed too | 01:44 | |
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| yigal | where do I purchase an n900 as a US customer nokia or amazon, http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/dp/B002OB49SW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1258242599&sr=8-1 or is there a reliable bargain store? | 01:50 |
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| yigal | well it's obviously cheaper on amazon, hmm I wonder when the device will arrive | 01:52 |
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| Xisdibik | yigal: Dell also sells it apparently for cheaper than amazon and nokia | 01:53 |
| Xisdibik | yigal: i have my preordered with Amazon myself though | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | yigal: you realize GSM service is a ripoff in the US? | 01:53 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: 99% of stuff is a rip off in the US | 01:54 |
| yigal | luke-jr: what should I do about it, move to Europe? | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | Xisdibik: lol | 01:54 |
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| luke-jr | yigal: dunno, I'm hoping to get Linux on a HTC Touch Pro 2 personally | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | yigal: or might just tether a cheap Bluetooth phone w/ Pandora, dunno | 01:55 |
| yigal | luke-jr: I wanted linux on a viliv ex 70 | 01:55 |
| yigal | but that isn't going to happen | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | why not? | 01:55 |
| yigal | the touchscreen drivers | 01:55 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: because of his attitude ;) | 01:55 |
| yigal | it's always the same | 01:55 |
| yigal | basically anything that would be an incredible device with linux is not in reality linux capable | 01:56 |
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| yigal | I've studied for over two weeks umpc mids on umpcportal, and I've come to the conclusion that the n900 is the best choice | 01:56 |
| yigal | I'm already comfortable and impressed with maemo, it's a nice environment functional on a tablet, and integrating this on a phone is a nice idea | 01:57 |
| yigal | in any event sorry for being so loquacious | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | yigal: 2 weeks is nothing :p | 01:58 |
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| dmj7261 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDtUE5PIhV0 | 01:59 |
| yigal | every day spending 2 hours or so, it's enough in my mind | 01:59 |
| dmj7261 | ogre on an omap3 | 01:59 |
| yigal | dmj7261: pretty sweet :) | 01:59 |
| dmj7261 | wait...that's just ogl 1.1 | 02:00 |
| dmj7261 | rats! | 02:00 |
| * luke-jr has been looking at devices for months now, and can't find one that suits his needs. | 02:00 | |
| yigal | luke-jr: no I've been looking for years, I'm just talking about recently it has come to my attention that it is time to actually purchase a new device | 02:01 |
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| yigal | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productnotfound.aspx?c=us&l=en&orig_s=corp&sku=A3076016&s=dhs | 02:04 |
| yigal | is there another place to look or has Dell stopped selling the n900? | 02:05 |
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| crashanddie | yigal, why would you want to buy the N900 from Dell? | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, price | 02:06 |
| yigal | crashanddie: because it's $100 cheaper via dell $440 or so | 02:08 |
| SmilybOrg | hi guys, i'm having problems setting up folder sharing :| | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | yigal, they take them off their website once all of the ones they have are sold. | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | yigal, so it probably wont be back until after it ships. | 02:08 |
| yigal | GeneralAntilles: well at least it's selling | 02:08 |
| yigal | :D | 02:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 02:09 |
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| crashanddie | SmilybOrg, our balls ain't made out of crystal, mind being a bit more specific? | 02:10 |
| dmj7261 | It seems to me that the n900 is selling well enough to likely be considered at least a mild success. | 02:10 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, can I get a mask? | 02:10 |
| * crashanddie tries to ignore naysayers comments | 02:10 | |
| SmilybOrg | yeah, i'm wondering if i have to do something extra in windows (the host system) apart from running eclipse | 02:11 |
| SmilybOrg | just a moment, i'm going to paste the error | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie | Smily, not in here you're not | 02:11 |
| Smily | i meant into a pastebin :) | 02:12 |
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| Smily | http://pastebin.com/m46e27037 | 02:14 |
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| Smily | i can ssh into the maemo machine with putty fine | 02:14 |
| crashanddie | Smily, is that on your NIT or PC? | 02:16 |
| Smily | that's what esbox displays while trying to validate my virtual machine | 02:17 |
| Smily | oh | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | you missed a colon | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | ssh://maemo@127.0.0.1:2222/home/maemo/shared/__testfile.txt | 02:17 |
| crashanddie | 127.0.0.1:2222 | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | is invalid | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | the colon should be :/path/to/wherever | 02:18 |
| Smily | uh, i didn't write that, esbox displayed it like that | 02:18 |
| Smily | i can just enter the addresses and ports | 02:19 |
| crashanddie | ok | 02:19 |
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| crashanddie | is localhost:2222 a valid port? | 02:19 |
| crashanddie | I mean, is port 2222 forwarded to your computer? | 02:19 |
| Smily | wth, when i show details on the error dialog box, i get this: http://pastebin.com/m483e4701 | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sure, why not. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | As soon as X-Fade gets back from vaaction. | 02:21 |
| Smily | is that correct? | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, tired of your current one? ;) | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nah | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, but it has to be cool (the new one) | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | I'm only going for the bling! | 02:21 |
| Smily | crashanddie i can ssh into the VM with 127.0.0.1 at 2222 fine | 02:21 |
| Smily | i get the shell | 02:21 |
| Smily | i assume my share settings are incorrect: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14681/ESboxSharing.png | 02:24 |
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| Smily | also, there's a nasty error that forces me to forcequit eclipse: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14681/ESboxError.png | 02:27 |
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| Smily | since i can't close the dialog box and i can't use eclipse because there's a dialog opened :| | 02:28 |
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| * timeless_mbp sigh | 02:33 | |
| * timeless_mbp should have signed up for this thing a month ago | 02:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | hey, who lives in .uk? | 02:33 |
| Xisdibik | dot uk? is that different than uk? | 02:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | no | 02:34 |
| crashanddie | hahaha | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOW_IaB3S4c&feature=related | 02:35 |
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| crashanddie | if you want your N900 to ship, go go now | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | timeless, I do, why? | 02:35 |
| Xisdibik | who was I talking to the other day about the Ovi Maps routing plugin being bollocksed for Firefox 3.6 | 02:35 |
| timeless_mbp | me? | 02:36 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: maybe ;) | 02:38 |
| Xisdibik | does it not work in 3.5 also? | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 02:39 |
| Xisdibik | no, it works, or doesnt :P | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that the obsoleted before ff1.0 api was finally removed for ff3.6 | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so anything before ff3.6 would "mostly work" | 02:39 |
| Xisdibik | Im gathering then that its just theres no plugin whatsoever for linux? as im using 3.5 now and it said plugin not compatible :P | 02:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | try wine? | 02:40 |
| Xisdibik | im not in any rush so its ok | 02:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | so.... technically their sources exist for linux, which is how it can build for maemo | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but they're under no obligation to expose it via maps.ovi.com | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and given how poor it is, i'm not going to ask them to do so | 02:41 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: haha yea, but once they put out the new correct one on the new API, hopefully they will put out a linux one as well | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | if wishes were horses... | 02:41 |
| Xisdibik | neigh? | 02:41 |
| b-man17 | http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/mer/mer-installer.png - doing a complete rewrite of mer-installer in pygtk :) | 02:43 |
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| doc|home | is mer usable (stable) now? | 03:22 |
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| lubomir | hello | 03:29 |
| lubomir | quick question: is it possible to connect and use an external gps bluetooth mouse? | 03:29 |
| lubomir | with android linux thats not possible | 03:30 |
| ShadowJK | i suspect the pointer remains invisible :) | 03:30 |
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| crashanddie | external gps bluetooth mouse? | 03:31 |
| ShadowJK | wait what | 03:31 |
| ShadowJK | lubomir, do you mean bluetooth mouse or do you mean bluetooth gps? | 03:31 |
| lubomir | ShadowJK, okay, when you ask like that - both. I also have an bluetooth laser mouse and i also cant use it with android :P | 03:32 |
| lubomir | but the question was about bluetooth gps | 03:32 |
| lcuk | how does a gps mouse work? | 03:32 |
| ShadowJK | bluetooth gps works with N800 N810 atleast | 03:32 |
| viq | lcuk: it has a rather poor resolution ;) | 03:33 |
| lubomir | lcuk, in germany most people tells it "gps mouse" | 03:33 |
| lubomir | the external bluetooth gps | 03:33 |
| lcuk | oh those | 03:33 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Control Panel -> Location still has a | 03:34 |
| qwerty12_N900 | "GPS Device" option | 03:34 |
| qwerty12_N900 | (N900) | 03:34 |
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| crashanddie | lubomir, DONGLE | 03:34 |
| lubomir | qwerty12_N900, where you could chose between internal and external? | 03:34 |
| crashanddie | lubomir, a mouse is either a rodent or the thing you move your pointer with | 03:35 |
| lubomir | crashanddie, i know. i also dont understand why nearly everyone in germany tells it mouse | 03:35 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | lubomir: yes | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | lubomir, probably the same reason you guys calls a mobile phone a "handy" | 03:36 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39EPz2JsbUk | 03:36 |
| lubomir | crashanddie, i have not choosen those things :D | 03:36 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lubomir: Although, provided you have a network signal, the internal one is brilliant at getting a lock | 03:36 |
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| lubomir | qwerty12_N900, yea, the one in most phones is realy good and usable but i need special external bluetooth gps with high sensitivity | 03:38 |
| kalikianatoli | crashanddie, how is a "mouse" less silly than a gps "mouse"? :) | 03:38 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lubomir: Ah | 03:38 |
| lubomir | thanks. i start more and more to hate that stupid android. sooo many basic things that was "just normal" for me doesnt work there | 03:39 |
| kalikianatoli | crashanddie, and before you answer, consider "shell", "cookie" and "root" ;) | 03:40 |
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| kalikianatoli | although it makes me wonder, is a mouse pointer any useful on the device? | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | kalikianatoli, are you actually trying to pick a fight? | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | kalikianatoli, nha, and not usable anyway | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | IIRC there's some crazy shit that makes it 10 kinds of hard to show the pointer in the first place | 03:42 |
| kalikianatoli | crashanddie, if you fight too much I might not be awake enough at this hour, so maybe not :P | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | kalikianatoli, it wasn't so much for the use of mouse, as it was for the misuse of mouse | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sssh | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, learning python? | 03:43 |
| kalikianatoli | crashanddie, think of "shell" and the number of things it can mean. then you realize it's not unusal | 03:44 |
| kalikianatoli | it can mean a console, a start menu, a whole desktop | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | kalikianatoli, the shell really is the thing that wraps around the kernel, so yeah, it is actually quite appropriate | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | I don't know in which world shell means start menu or desktop | 03:45 |
| kalikianatoli | I mean shell as an example of something that is used in a lot of different meanings | 03:45 |
| kalikianatoli | crashanddie, in the world of redmond :) | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | oh, windows has a shell now? | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | they probably did it to promote the petrol company | 03:45 |
| kalikianatoli | heh | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | So with Windows 7, people are going to be shellshocked? | 03:46 |
| kalikianatoli | it's called that since 95 I think, but it can't hurt to come up with new slogans | 03:46 |
| Robot101 | been called the shell since windows 3.x at least | 03:51 |
| Robot101 | dos 6.2 had "dosshell" too | 03:51 |
| Robot101 | which was GR8 | 03:51 |
| crashanddie | cowgirl is the best position, gives the man hands-free. Kinda like sexual bluetooth. | 03:52 |
| lubomir | Does someone know what mobile network chipset is been there inside? Does it realy support only 10,2mbit down and 2mbit up? | 03:54 |
| lubomir | or could it support 14,4 and 5,76 with firmware upgrade? | 03:55 |
| dmj7261 | zaheerm: I'm having a hard time figuring out how to make GTK animate. Any thoughts? | 03:57 |
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| Robot101 | dmj7261: in general, gtk doesn't animate. | 03:59 |
| kalikianatoli | dmj7261, there's no animation in gtk unless you us an additional lib for that | 04:00 |
| dmj7261 | Hmm...perhaps just write it in clutter then | 04:00 |
| aep | hmm battery life worries me on the n900 | 04:00 |
| kalikianatoli | you could look at the animation something, can't remember what it's called | 04:00 |
| dmj7261 | kalikianatoli: any other clues as to where I might find that? | 04:01 |
| Robot101 | dmj7261: clutter-gtk allows some hacks with animations using gtk for most stuff | 04:01 |
| Robot101 | http://dannipenguin.livejournal.com/280866.html | 04:01 |
| kalikianatoli | dmj7261, http://blogs.gnome.org/carlosg/2007/06/06/animateinanimate/ | 04:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | aep, it depends entirely on what you do with it. | 04:09 |
| lubomir | woooow, adblock plus is available for maemo..., someone like to have an android? :p | 04:09 |
| kynky | aep, carry a spare battery ? | 04:11 |
| aep | GeneralAntilles: well play games all day? heh kidding. but idle for more then 8 hours would be nice... | 04:12 |
| aep | kynky: i guess, but thats rather annoying | 04:13 |
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| kynky | aep, true, but at least an option(comparing situation to iphone) | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | aep, I get "idle" of 2-4 days. | 04:14 |
| * kynky wonders if there will be mega batteries for n900 | 04:14 | |
| aep | GeneralAntilles: hm thats actually ok | 04:16 |
| aep | maybe people are doing it wrong | 04:16 |
| luke-jr | I get idle of about 3 hours IIRC | 04:17 |
| luke-jr | maybe a few more if I stretch it (GPS/WiFi off, etc) | 04:17 |
| luke-jr | N810 tho | 04:18 |
| aep | yeah n810 :P | 04:18 |
| aep | i guess i'll actually have to carry around my old phone too | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | aep, whose claims are you following? | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | aep, I get 8-16 hours of moderate to heavy use. | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Idle on EDGE/WiFI 24/7 | 04:19 |
| aep | random blogs. | 04:19 |
| aep | 8 hours on heavy use? oO | 04:19 |
| aep | thats alot! | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | aep, yeah, random blogs are just that, random. | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | aep, heck, I get 4-6 hours of video playback. | 04:20 |
| aep | nice | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Depending on how heavy they are and whether they're streamed. | 04:20 |
| ali1234 | i get about 4 hours on the snes emulator which is pretty heavy | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | still idle with GSM standby is mostly a function of local BTS RF situation | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | can vary from less than 24h to I guess >7 days | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | talktime same btw | 04:23 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, what's "idle" there? | 04:25 |
| ShadowJK | it sounds terrible even if it'd be idle with screen on | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | worst thing for standby time is to drive the device around in a car, as this causes frequent cell handovers and TX power needs to ramp up to get out of the car | 04:26 |
| ShadowJK | IRC sometimes becomes effective battery killer depending on RF conditions too :/ | 04:26 |
| ShadowJK | sometimes the radio just never gets rest | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | that is basically same as call then | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | But sometimes the radio is just active for a second at a time :) | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | Not all 3G networks are configured the same, not all networks are configured the same throughout their geographical coverage, either :/ | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, though I'm not aware of intra-network local diffs wrt GPRS | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for max thruput of course | 04:29 |
| ShadowJK | Energy Profiler on S60 has this thing that shows timers | 04:29 |
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| Zippy | Hi guys! Simple question. I have an app that requires python. How do I install this? root and then apt-get install python isn't finding it in Xterm. | 04:38 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: "idle" for me tends to be kismet :) | 04:42 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I don't think my screen ever turns off completely | 04:42 |
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| Sveinn | Hello !! :) | 06:12 |
| Sveinn | any N900 users here? | 06:12 |
| Sveinn | slash developers | 06:12 |
| pupnik_ | me | 06:12 |
| pupnik_ | testing stuff | 06:13 |
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| Sveinn | hi pupnik | 06:17 |
| Sveinn | how is your gps on your N900, any problems} | 06:17 |
| Sveinn | ? | 06:17 |
| pupnik_ | first day it was pretty bad getting a lock. later days it worked ok | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | better than n810 later-on | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | map looked fine to me | 06:19 |
| pupnik_ | i think im at 42 deg lat | 06:20 |
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| Sveinn | ok | 06:20 |
| Sveinn | sometimes it works smoothly for me | 06:20 |
| Sveinn | but often I cant get a fix at all | 06:20 |
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| Sveinn | worries me because i am trying to implement the location feature in my program | 06:21 |
| Sveinn | maybe i just have to update my firmware | 06:21 |
| Sveinn | do you have the latest version | 06:21 |
| Chani | hrm. | 06:21 |
| pupnik_ | i have only tried a few days, but those were many hours gps testing | 06:21 |
| Chani | crud, I'd totally forgotten about how badly gps works | 06:21 |
| Sveinn | ok | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | just the summit proto version tested so far | 06:22 |
| Sveinn | i guess i have the prototype as well | 06:22 |
| Sveinn | know of two people who were unable to get a fix at all | 06:22 |
| pupnik_ | meaning you dont know where it came from? | 06:22 |
| `0660 | i wouldn't be surprised if they delayed the launch because of that gps fix problem | 06:23 |
| pupnik_ | i dont know. other phone goses dont work everywhere | 06:24 |
| pupnik_ | gpses | 06:24 |
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| `0660 | i thought some people had serious problems with the proto version gps? | 06:25 |
| `0660 | like not getting a fix for days | 06:25 |
| pupnik_ | look at the available space. i cant believe the miniaturization of that stuff | 06:25 |
| pupnik_ | dunno. pop a sim in the ohone then | 06:25 |
| pupnik_ | phone | 06:26 |
| pupnik_ | you werent planning to fly your learjet instrument-only using n900? | 06:28 |
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| Sveinn | "LeerNavigate" | 06:29 |
| Sveinn | that was my program actually | 06:29 |
| pupnik_ | ooh weather radar would be fun on maps | 06:29 |
| `0660 | yes i was! :) | 06:29 |
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| dmj7261 | anyone having luck using clutter via python? | 06:49 |
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| JosefAssad | hm. I've apt-get installed rootsh and when I type sudo gainroot in osso-xterm I get "sudo: must be setuid root". Am I missing something obvious? | 09:37 |
| JosefAssad | (this being in the SDK, no device) | 09:37 |
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| RST38h | qwerty, are you there? | 09:46 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Do you have an altar where we can sacrifice a goat to you, or something? | 10:05 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Not that I know of, no :) | 10:05 |
| dmj7261 | python[31743]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - clutter_x11_disable_event_retrieval should be called before clutter_init | 10:05 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Should get one quick (in ref to bug #5300) | 10:06 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 Support sending files via Bluetooth in file manager | 10:06 |
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| dmj7261 | then I get python[31769]: GLIB CRITICAL ** CLutterGLX - Unable to make the stage window 0x1e00017 the current GLX drawable | 10:07 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Heh, well, since Nokia are staying silent on the issue, I hope someone finds that patch useful :) | 10:08 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Can we somehow commit it back to their codebase? =) | 10:08 |
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| dmj7261 | Any ideas? | 10:09 |
| dmj7261 | Anyone using cluttergtk that might have and idea what would cause this? | 10:09 |
| qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Probably not going to happen. :p Patching File manager directly and not having to use dlopen() would be better :) | 10:10 |
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| RST38h | Umgh | 10:15 |
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| dmj7261 | any ideas what this is about? python[31769]: GLIB CRITICAL ** CLutterGLX - Unable to make the stage window 0x1e00017 the current GLX drawable | 10:48 |
| tigert | JosefAssad: try "root" | 10:48 |
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| JosefAssad | tigert: did, no go | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Weird: app manager shows 4 packages updated, but it lists only three | 10:57 |
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| RST38h | Ok, FM Radio app goes off this n900. Too large, does not update properly | 11:03 |
| * qwerty12 facepalms at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=376783 | 11:06 | |
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| RST38h | Yea, the Venomrush character is kinda funny | 11:07 |
| RST38h | Tried to claim Bullshit Bingo is politically incorrect, etc | 11:07 |
| qwerty12 | *sigh* | 11:08 |
| * qwerty12 likes the name, actually... | 11:08 | |
| dmj7261 | me too, though I could see a use for a PG version too | 11:09 |
| * RST38h wishes all PC afficionados just killed themselves | 11:10 | |
| RST38h | They make the environment really rotten for everyone | 11:10 |
| dmj7261 | RST38h: That's not a very politically correct thing to say! | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | morning, all | 11:11 |
| * qwerty12 waves at Jaffa | 11:11 | |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: Is that link going to reinforce my opinion of tmo? ;-) | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | Gah. Web just crashed posting a comment in midgard. | 11:12 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: No, it's just the SDK being touted as an "emulator" | 11:12 |
| Jaffa | Ah. Saw that on Twitter. | 11:12 |
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| chris231989n770 | ;join /#ubuntu | 11:15 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly on the chinook-diablo conspiracy | 11:17 | |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Morning. Here's another theory to add to the mix: You, using your recently-gained distmaster powers, sabotaged the Diablo autobuilder so people would switch to Mer! /s | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: "conspiracy"? | 11:20 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: It's on Talk. You sure you wish to see the thread? | 11:20 |
| Jaffa | Oh yes | 11:20 |
| qwerty12 | Don't say you were not warned: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=376774#post376774 | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12: i don't even have ssh to maemo.org :P | 11:21 |
| lbt | telnet? | 11:22 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Sure, you just keep telling us that and we may start to believe it... | 11:22 |
| JosefAssad | IPN I'd guess going by the average maemo.org response time... | 11:24 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: This thread is great. It's putting me off all over again (and the links to "Maemo Extras" -> "maemo.org Applications" -> "maemo.org" pisses me off on a whole other level) | 11:29 |
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| qwerty12 | Jaffa: We need to add details of Nokia's plot to activate the N800 and N810's self-destruction mechanism once the N900 is widely-available | 11:31 |
| qwerty12 | Morning, wazd_ | 11:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | qwerty12: Why do you think the battery charging module is closed-source? | 11:32 |
| wazd_ | heya maemo | 11:32 |
| dmj7261 | boom? | 11:32 |
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| wazd_ | it's tough to be a pirate :( | 11:33 |
| SpeedEvil | yarrr. | 11:33 |
| qwerty12 | SpeedEvil: You've just got me scared :\ | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: i think its due to 1) patents/IP 2) how much damage a not-thought-out patch can do | 11:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | product liability | 11:34 |
| SpeedEvil | 1) is bullshit largely. | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | if you manage to cause a battery to explose | 11:34 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't any magic in battery charging. | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | s/s/d/ | 11:34 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: if you manage to caude a battery to explose | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | s/caude/cause/ | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil | And it's trivially easy to monitor what it's in fact doing | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | if you manage to cause a battery to explode | 11:35 |
| * qwerty12 gives timeless_mbp a cookie | 11:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | people won't stop and ask "was this n900 running unofficial software" | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | they'll say "Nokia n900 explodes" | 11:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | "news at 11" | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (no news will come at 11, and people will remember Nokia + battery explosion) | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | there's pretty much nothing Nokia can do to counter such press | 11:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and the investigation would determine that ~Nokia was aware that third parties could install software which would enable their batteries to explode~ | 11:36 |
| * lbt notes that it already happens a lot with phones and is "old news" | 11:36 | |
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| timeless_mbp | it's never _good_ news | 11:37 |
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| dmj7261 | And you would then get FUD about how dangerous open source is. | 11:37 |
| lbt | aha!! | 11:37 |
| lbt | the solution... ban OSS | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj7261: oh, yeah, that too | 11:37 |
| lbt | good idea :) | 11:37 |
| dmj7261 | regardless of the fact that both open and closed software stacks can be involved with exploding batteries. | 11:37 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, my view is that the hardware shouldn't support exploding stacks | 11:38 |
| dmj7261 | nobody would think of the fact that that logic means we should also ban proprietary software. | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you want that, you're basically siding with closed source firmware | 11:38 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: what about melting CPUs? | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | either as real bits burned into the hardware, or as closed software bits | 11:38 |
| lbt | is that OK? | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it hardly matters | 11:38 |
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| lbt | N900 CPU melts | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: you mean from overclocking? | 11:38 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, imo that's ok | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | how many people do you kill w/ a melted cpu? | 11:39 |
| timeless_mbp | v. how many people can you kill with an exploding battery? | 11:39 |
| * lbt notes that N900 != WMD | 11:39 | |
| timeless_mbp | something tells me the battery is more likely to be effective at killing than a melted cpu | 11:39 |
| dmj7261 | Of course you could go with super-closed software...only God knows how it works! :P | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm personally more afraid of oss rewrites of the thing | 11:40 |
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| * lbt wonders when voltage monitoring software became assasination tool | 11:40 | |
| * RST38h moos | 11:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | dmj7261: scientists recently made Female nematodes into hermaphrodites | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | does that count as super closed? | 11:40 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: keep in mind that cellular phones have been used for assassinations | 11:41 |
| lbt | Ok, who uses VirtualBox and clones machines? | 11:41 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: using OSS ? | 11:41 |
| dmj7261 | can you charge your battery from a female nematode? | 11:41 |
| lbt | so, clearly OSS is not a factor. | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | I use vbox | 11:41 |
| lbt | I can't change my MAC | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, only on mer imager creating vmdks | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | just noting that phones can be effective at killing people :) | 11:41 |
| lbt | I can use settings->NW->Advanced to change it but when I restart the MAC is the same | 11:42 |
| qwerty12 | dmj7261: Gah, the innuendo from that one is killing me | 11:42 |
| dmj7261 | so can bricks | 11:42 |
| lbt | dmj7261: now they at least are CC | 11:42 |
| lbt | or PD | 11:42 |
| lbt | unless the brick had a patented anti-mortar slip chamfer? | 11:43 |
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| * RST38h sighs and notes that you can't seriously discuss all the gibberish produced by every stupid hack around the world, including so called "professional bloggers" | 11:45 | |
| dmj7261 | unfortunately that gibberish what a lot of people pay heed to. | 11:46 |
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| RST38h | (having said that, the thought of 4-5 Li-based batteries going off on a plane in mid-air is delicious) | 11:46 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, anyone noticed how maemo.org isn't a default bookmark on the N900 but it was on the default homepage for Diablo's browser? :) | 11:46 |
| RST38h | dmj7261: by seriously discussing this crap you join those people. | 11:46 |
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| dmj7261 | Honestly, I don't spend much time thinking about exploding batteries. | 11:47 |
| lbt | nm the MAC thing - it was an OS override | 11:50 |
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| * RST38h has been bitten by an unsigned int | 11:58 | |
| dmj7261 | http://pastebin.com/d28ecbc7d | 12:00 |
| dmj7261 | Anyone have a clue on what's wrong with this code (other than messyness)? | 12:01 |
| gnuton | Hi there! :D | 12:01 |
| dmj7261 | it gives some glx errors when I run it. | 12:01 |
| RST38h | moo gnuton | 12:02 |
| gnuton | Ciao RST38h ;D | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, virtualbox 3.1 will have live migration it seems | 12:05 |
| dmj7261 | I'm finding this frustrating | 12:06 |
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| cvandonderen | Hi, will the firmware that is on the devices being shipped currently also be released (a.k.a. can I update my dev-N900 to the release firmware any time soon?) | 12:10 |
| RST38h | probably. | 12:10 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: *nod*.... it does make it easy to setup new VMs... convirt is pretty good too though | 12:15 |
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| * Stskeeps starts migrating data to his fileserver in order to prepare for his new laptop | 12:19 | |
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| millenomi | (dum dum dum, silently keeps working on his Cocotron ARM port, dum dum) | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | millenomi++ | 12:23 |
| millenomi | works pretty well on my ebook reader :) | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 12:23 |
| wazd_ | RAWR! | 12:26 |
| wazd_ | I've downloaded wrong MW2! | 12:26 |
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| mikhas | the one for the n900? how is that wrong? | 12:26 |
| mikhas | =p | 12:26 |
| wazd_ | daaaaaaamn | 12:27 |
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| wazd_ | epic fail :( | 12:29 |
| wazd_ | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/hallods-f43-mp4-player-packs-a-4-3-inch-720p-screen-outed-in-ja/ | 12:33 |
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| millenomi | ah, maybe somebody can help on this | 12:34 |
| millenomi | GCC 4.x doesn't have atomic primitives on ARM afaik | 12:34 |
| millenomi | I "fixed" this by using a pthreads mutex, which is correct but stupid. is there a better way to do a compare and swap on ARM? | 12:34 |
| millenomi | stupid == obviously much slower than true CAS. | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | rst38h might know | 12:36 |
| millenomi | the objc runtime must be threadsafe in order for threads to work with it, so it uses atomic CAS in a few critical places | 12:36 |
| millenomi | making every message (method call) lock a mutex is not optimal, to say the least. | 12:37 |
| wazd_ | damn, 11gb of wrong info, so lame :( | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | downloaded over gprs? ;p | 12:41 |
| dmj7261 | wazd: pretty crisp screen | 12:41 |
| dmj7261 | of course 8gb won't hold much 720p | 12:42 |
| dmj7261 | was that your epic fail comment? | 12:43 |
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| Flyser_ | dmj7261: I gues he means the lack of h264 encoding | 12:46 |
| dmj7261 | ah | 12:46 |
| dmj7261 | just give the n900 that screen and I'll be happy! | 12:46 |
| Flyser_ | Because one could easiely upgrade the storage | 12:46 |
| Flyser_ | hehe m2 :-) | 12:46 |
| dmj7261 | what OS does that 720 gadget use? | 12:48 |
| dmj7261 | cause it would be kinda silly if it could only play video. | 12:49 |
| Flyser_ | its a 180$ device ... I doubt it can do anything else ... | 12:49 |
| dmj7261 | hmm...not worth ~$200 bucks if that's all it does. | 12:50 |
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| RST38h | "To continue his work on the Orion rocket, Zuppero needs it justified by attachment to weapons analyses. A boss first asks if it's possible to tow an unshielded nuclear reactor behind an airplane so it spews radioactivity over the Soviet Union or Vietnam." | 12:52 |
| RST38h | Ah, the golden 60s... | 12:53 |
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| RST38h | "Although I really did find a way to power the rockets to take | 13:01 |
| RST38h | hundreds of us throughout the solar system, the only product of my | 13:01 |
| RST38h | entire career struggle working in so-called "rocket science," was | 13:01 |
| RST38h | that people wanted to hear the story. | 13:01 |
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| dmj7261 | You know what would make a great app? | 13:02 |
| dmj7261 | A web comic viewer | 13:02 |
| dmj7261 | ...that worked offline too and could search | 13:03 |
| RurouniJones | isn't that called a web-broswer? :p | 13:03 |
| millenomi | he | 13:03 |
| frals | RurouniJones: thats what i was thinking | 13:03 |
| RurouniJones | Sorry, facaetious I know, could't resist :P | 13:03 |
| * millenomi is working on a fullsize comic viewer on his ebook reader. | 13:03 | |
| dmj7261 | yes, I know about the web browser thing | 13:03 |
| * millenomi is working on a fullsize comic viewer on his ebook reader. | 13:04 | |
| dmj7261 | really? | 13:04 |
| dmj7261 | Would it be maemoizable? | 13:04 |
| millenomi | no, I'd have to rewrite the UI in Qt | 13:04 |
| millenomi | (new projects need Qt, right?) | 13:04 |
| dmj7261 | not necessarily | 13:04 |
| millenomi | but I happen to prefer it :) | 13:05 |
| dmj7261 | GTK isn't disappearing, but it wont' be official | 13:05 |
| millenomi | I come from a Cocoa background and Qt is, uh, "Cocoa-shaped?" | 13:05 |
| millenomi | I wrap my head around it more easily. | 13:05 |
| RurouniJones | When are qT apps gonna have hildon'ish widgets so they look like the stuff you can do in GTK now? | 13:05 |
| RST38h | dmj7261: comic viewers for Maemo exist. | 13:05 |
| millenomi | I heard there was a preview out now | 13:06 |
| dmj7261 | names? | 13:06 |
| RST38h | dmj7261: google? | 13:06 |
| * qwerty12 adds maemo.org to his spam list. The "page $PRODUCT has been commented by (anonymous)" e-mails are fucking ridiculous. | 13:06 | |
| RST38h | I mean, that was an obvious first step, wasn't it? | 13:06 |
| dmj7261 | yeah, but maemo.org is being slow | 13:06 |
| dmj7261 | and i did a bit of google | 13:06 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: True, but it also looks like someone is voting for the products out of malice | 13:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Or there is a bug at maemo.org, because I cannot explain how I can receive 10 votes for AlmostTI in 3 minutes | 13:07 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: That may be so, but since I can't do fuck all about the votes, I'd prefer not to have a shitton of e-mails in my inbox telling me of the fact | 13:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Actually, you can | 13:08 |
| RST38h | qwerty: By restricting voting for registered maemo.org users, so that each user can only vote once | 13:08 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: "since I can't do fuck all about the votes" | 13:09 |
| qwerty12 | I see no option allowing me to restrict who can vote on a certain product :) | 13:10 |
| RST38h | Yea, that thing should not be an option indeed, should be done by site admins | 13:10 |
| suihkulokki | qwerty12: you should request that in bugzilla | 13:11 |
| RurouniJones | As well as general email management settings? | 13:11 |
| qwerty12 | suihkulokki: Good idea, thanks | 13:11 |
| RurouniJones | "Email me in the following situations. checkbox, checkbox, checkbox etc" | 13:12 |
| suihkulokki | "never mail anything from anonymous people" I think would be good too | 13:12 |
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| RurouniJones | Anyone tried playing SCUMMVM games on a N900? Seems like adventure games are ideal for a stylus style input | 13:24 |
| RurouniJones | one ggoogle search later...yes | 13:26 |
| Corsac | I tried dott on n810 and it works fine | 13:26 |
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| cvandonderen | How can I add applets to the statusbar? | 13:56 |
| cvandonderen | maemo5-load-applet does not show... | 13:56 |
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| lbt | what's the status of maemo-optify? | 14:00 |
| lbt | it's only in extras-devel according to http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-optify/ | 14:00 |
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| BluesLee | lbt: i guess the app is to move the installation to the sd card, right? | 14:05 |
| RST38h | Anyone with N900 here? | 14:05 |
| lbt | BluesLee: yes | 14:05 |
| lbt | RST38h: yes | 14:05 |
| RST38h | lbt: I am sorry to ask, but could you test/vote for a few apps of mine? | 14:06 |
| lbt | which? | 14:06 |
| RST38h | lbt: MG, Speccy, fMSX, ColEm | 14:06 |
| BluesLee | lbt: it would be nice to have the choice while installing the app through the app manager or to set it there "destination: internal flash, sd card or whatever" | 14:06 |
| * lbt notes favour in his accounts | 14:06 | |
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| RST38h | Heh =) | 14:07 |
| RST38h | Speccy/fMSX can be tested as they are (come with system bios) | 14:07 |
| lbt | BluesLee: theres' been a lot of disccusion | 14:07 |
| lbt | OK | 14:07 |
| RST38h | For MG/ColEm, there are free legal ROMs at www.pdroms.com | 14:08 |
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| lbt | RST38h: maybe put up a wiki page to step-by-step it for new users? | 14:11 |
| RST38h | lbt: It is really as easy as opening a proper file | 14:12 |
| RST38h | in fact, the program will ask you to choose a file on startup :) | 14:13 |
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| RST38h | EHLO VDVsx | 14:15 |
| VDVsx | hey RST38h | 14:16 |
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| pupnik | i like -devel a lot | 14:22 |
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| pupnik | canse then im never drustrated at a bug | 14:23 |
| pupnik | wow " morning typos | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | having your device in r&d mode is good for winters. warms your hands. | 14:29 |
| pupnik | ! | 14:30 |
| CoreFusion- | 8h29minutes and counting :P | 14:30 |
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| pupnik | i had n900 on overnight with open webpages, apps, term and it is at q/2 battery | 14:31 |
| pupnik | 1/2 | 14:31 |
| CoreFusion- | sorry, 6h | 14:31 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Check this one out: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/15/zuppero_solar_system/ | 14:33 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: You may like it =) | 14:33 |
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| pupnik | but the apps were all apps that know how to idle of course | 14:35 |
| pupnik | ty | 14:35 |
| lbt | so RST38h... I installed it and it says "Nut" | 14:36 |
| lbt | as I said, what now? | 14:36 |
| lbt | MG btw | 14:36 |
| lbt | I have no clue what the app needs. What do I download? from where? | 14:37 |
| dmj7261 | zaheerm: You know python zope? | 14:38 |
| dmj7261 | What's wrong with it on Maemo? | 14:39 |
| RST38h | lbt: You download from http://www.pdroms.de/files/gamegear/ | 14:39 |
| RST38h | lbt: or from http://www.pdroms.de/files/mastersystem/ | 14:40 |
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| CoreFusion- | hmm.. does anyone know where i could watch bbc2 in the internet, live? | 14:40 |
| CoreFusion- | outside UK? | 14:40 |
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| kynky | iplayer through a proxy ? | 14:41 |
| kynky | but guess not live | 14:41 |
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| pupnik | i was interested in project orion for a while. there are nice interviews of some of the members RST38h . old man saying "i really thought we were going to see jupiter in my lifetime | 14:44 |
| pupnik | :( | 14:44 |
| dmj7261 | BOunce is completely closed source, right? | 14:44 |
| RST38h | pupnik: it was 60s | 14:44 |
| kynky | CoreFusion-, think there might be some flas channels showing bbc2, but never used them myself | 14:45 |
| pupnik | what app do i use on n900 to automatically grab öy favorite podcasts? | 14:45 |
| pupnik | builtin function or gpodder? | 14:46 |
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| dmj7261 | zaheerm: I was trying to run a python program on Maemo and it gave an import error: no module named zope.interface | 14:54 |
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| dmj7261 | I saw that you were the maintainer for it. | 14:54 |
| dmj7261 | What seems to be the issue with it? | 14:54 |
| dmj7261 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-zope.interface/ | 14:54 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: ? | 15:09 |
| Macer | you there? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: ? | 15:10 |
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| wazd | reheya all | 15:15 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: msg :-P | 15:23 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: !! | 15:26 |
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| timeless | ok, the xref for mxr.maemo.org/fremantle should work | 15:30 |
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| timeless | search is broken and will have to wait for the next sync | 15:30 |
| timeless | phone oo-power -bye | 15:31 |
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| mikhas | heh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6JfxdWg0HI | 15:34 |
| wazd | IRC explanation?) | 15:35 |
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| timeless_away | hello world | 15:38 |
| * RST38h moos at wazd | 15:40 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: have you registered to that nokia store event btw? | 15:42 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Yep | 15:45 |
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| wazd | RST38h: cool :) | 15:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: you did too? | 15:46 |
| * RST38h checks what day Nov 24 is | 15:46 | |
| wazd | RST38h: Yep | 15:46 |
| RST38h | Tuesday...hm | 15:46 |
| wazd | RST38h: wonder if there will be any competent person on nokia's side | 15:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: I expect something similar to Nokia Camp | 15:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep, tuesday kinda sucks | 15:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: I.e. PR event | 15:47 |
| RST38h | What time on Tuesday though? | 15:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: tba | 15:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: I bet there will be epic whining on bloggers side "why no capacitive screen") | 15:50 |
| jaska | crapacitive! | 15:50 |
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| wazd | And what else do they mention all the time... | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | wazd: These will be Russian bloggers | 15:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: So we can expect a lot of amateurish attempts at ass licking in anticipation of freebies =) | 15:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: they're all the same, it's like a virus) | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Well, I guess so... | 15:55 |
| * RST38h has not been to a similar event outside .RU, so he does not know, but yes, people ain't that different everywhere | 15:56 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: oh, no Intell parties? :) | 15:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Actually, there ARE Intel parties =) | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | wazd: There is at least an annual developers' conference in .RU, and some other events too | 15:57 |
| RST38h | last one was in nnov | 15:57 |
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| pupnik | hopefully the freebies will inspire some productive developments | 16:01 |
| RST38h | from bloggers? are you joking? | 16:01 |
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| pupnik | what fps does q3a timedemo get on pandora vs Nokia N900 vs beagleboard? | 16:01 |
| wazd | pupnik: bloggers?) | 16:01 |
| pupnik | oh | 16:01 |
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| mikhas | most often read claim? That you cannot use the n900 single-handed, I bet =) | 16:02 |
| wazd | That would be super awesome if bloggers will really get one | 16:02 |
| mikhas | which is funny in several ways | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | mikhas: Actually, I suspect you CAN use it one-handed, with a lanyard | 16:03 |
| mikhas | 1. you cannot use any portrait mode model with *both* hands, unless you are girl | 16:03 |
| RST38h | mikhas: The same way you use a small camera | 16:03 |
| mikhas | 2. I use my n900 one-handed all the time, for phone calls | 16:03 |
| mikhas | and even for e-mail reading | 16:03 |
| RST38h | "Unlike iPhone, does not have MMS!" | 16:04 |
| range | Now if the hardware keyboard were capacitive ... | 16:04 |
| RST38h | and bigger, like twice bigger... | 16:04 |
| kynky | is mms that useful considering the size of the photos the n900 can capture ? | 16:04 |
| RST38h | no. | 16:04 |
| mikhas | it is useful | 16:04 |
| range | For the frontcam :) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | MMS is useless gimmick in no relation to the photos size | 16:04 |
| mikhas | for carriers | 16:05 |
| RST38h | Very few people use MMS. MMS messages are usually super-expensive too | 16:05 |
| mikhas | you forget how all those bloggers are employed by carriers, obviously =) | 16:05 |
| RST38h | mikhas: Which ones? Local ones? Not employed by anybody important | 16:05 |
| mikhas | at least that's what I would do | 16:05 |
| kynky | just upload simutaneoesly to a number of image hosting sevices instead, prob be cheaper too | 16:05 |
| mikhas | flickr | 16:06 |
| mikhas | it works amazingly good | 16:06 |
| RST38h | kynky: But then your aunt and her LG phone cannot get your photo | 16:06 |
| RST38h | (at least that is the most common explanation for why you need MMS) | 16:06 |
| kynky | lol | 16:06 |
| wazd | Damn, my n800 screen will really die soon. That afterburn effect is pretty weird | 16:06 |
| kynky | mms is ripoff | 16:06 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Should have asked for screen protector | 16:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: But I guess it is too late now =( | 16:07 |
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| wazd | RST38h: not sure if it's a scratches issue | 16:08 |
| kynky | more like the othr side of screen issue ? | 16:08 |
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| * lcuk yawns | 16:09 | |
| zerojay | MMS is just another gimmick the carriers created to charge you more for the same data voice uses, plain and simple. | 16:09 |
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| wazd | RST38h: looks more like failling lcd switcher | 16:11 |
| RST38h | weird | 16:11 |
| * lbt wonders if they'll implenent a telegram app to go with MMS and fax | 16:11 | |
| wazd | RST38h: and it appears absolutely random | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | lbt, it best have a proper morse buttong then | 16:12 |
| lbt | touch screen silly | 16:13 |
| lcuk | fake morse button then | 16:13 |
| lbt | should be an easter egg in the mms app | 16:13 |
| thux | but if no mms support how would mobile viruses spread? | 16:13 |
| lcuk | just like any other meme | 16:13 |
| RST38h | thux: through Torrent of course! | 16:13 |
| kynky | bluetooth | 16:13 |
| lcuk | adhoc wifi | 16:14 |
| thux | ok | 16:14 |
| lcuk | plenty of transport tunnels | 16:14 |
| wazd | God bless resistive screen and stylus | 16:14 |
| lcuk | but whats the payload | 16:14 |
| wazd | So cold out there | 16:14 |
| lcuk | +1 wazd | 16:14 |
| lcuk | using device with a snowdrift on it | 16:14 |
| kynky | wazd, they got capacitive touch styli now | 16:15 |
| kynky | dell do one for their first new mobile phone | 16:15 |
| lcuk | crayons! | 16:15 |
| wazd | Damn, where's that bus | 16:16 |
| kynky | apparntly some ppl say pencils work cos of graphite | 16:16 |
| wazd | Lol | 16:17 |
| lcuk | wow, photo of the new dell tablet http://bit.ly/Fm25Z | 16:18 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1188672096 i want this kind 3d screen on my n900 | 16:19 |
| lcuk | wouldnt that be a little dangerous | 16:19 |
| lcuk | its uber cool tho | 16:20 |
| lcuk | in a display cabinet | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | until that mirror goes off flying =) | 16:26 |
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| * javispedro sighs at tmo | 16:31 | |
| javispedro | again | 16:31 |
| Corsac | damn, why is my n810 asking me for a password when ssh'ing now? | 16:32 |
| Corsac | who did erase my public key? | 16:32 |
| RST38h | what now? | 16:34 |
| Corsac | hmhmh, fun, key is there but it still wants a password | 16:34 |
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| javispedro | someone spamming nearly all the threads I'm subscribed into with "a emulators recap" thread, a thread about using Scratchbox to "test the N900", etc. | 16:35 |
| RST38h | The Venom guy, who else? =) | 16:35 |
| javispedro | ah, the Venom is the one using sbox for nonsense | 16:36 |
| javispedro | anwarboy is the emus one | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | I see the anwarboy spammer, yea | 16:37 |
| javispedro | fortunately, I have patience -- no need to shun myself from anything yet. | 16:37 |
| RST38h | And he is not even getting his facts right :) | 16:37 |
| * RST38h wonders how Reggie would feel about restricting new members to a subset of forums for the first 2-3 months... | 16:38 | |
| RST38h | Would probably be too restrictive though :( | 16:39 |
| alterego | That's not fair realy. | 16:39 |
| RST38h | yea | 16:39 |
| RST38h | But on the other hand the current situation is pretty destructive too | 16:39 |
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| javispedro | there's no solution for this problem. | 16:40 |
| javispedro | I've been admin of a site where the average poster age was 13, for nearly 5 years. | 16:41 |
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| RurouniJones | When were you committed? | 16:41 |
| RurouniJones | And when were you released? | 16:41 |
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| javispedro | what kind of question is that? :) | 16:41 |
| lcuk | win them over with good quality threads | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | instead of bemoaning the fact theres crap, lets plan an offensive raid | 16:42 |
| RurouniJones | I cannot imagine nayone retaining sanity admin'ning that forum | 16:42 |
| Corsac | damn, asking google about theora support in n810 empathy now returns my unanswered post in talk >< | 16:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Autoban for misspelled words >5%, or average wordlength under 6. | 16:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Ok, you show us the way, go forward and win them over =) | 16:43 |
| lcuk | it takes more than one, but its better than sitting doing nothing and watching it go down | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Speed: Usage of the word "like" more than twice in a single post should be made punishable =) | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Same goes for using "I" more than three times | 16:43 |
| javispedro | RurouniJones: the trick is to get proper staff and don't try to fix things when the "values" on your forum slip away from your moral standards | 16:44 |
| * RST38h puts on his grammar nazi uniform | 16:44 | |
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| javispedro | 7 tail whip? | 16:45 |
| javispedro | check. | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, why is "I" banned more than 3 times? | 16:45 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: 'cause using it too much is a sign of an overblown ego | 16:46 |
| crashanddie | Well, I don't see why I shouldn't be to use "I" as much as I want | 16:46 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: But we do :) | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | :D | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | plus, having a bit of ego is healthy | 16:47 |
| crashanddie | just make sure it fits in the building | 16:47 |
| * RST38h goes over the allowed uses of "we": 1) Chief editors 2) Royalties 3) People with tape worms | 16:47 | |
| crashanddie | so freddy mercury had tape worms? | 16:48 |
| javispedro | RST38h: being Venom | 16:48 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Most US high schoolers come to the universities with egos the size of the Mt Doom | 16:48 |
| n000b | the plural of 'royalty' is 'royalty'. tsk tsk | 16:48 |
| * RST38h hides | 16:48 | |
| RurouniJones | We are not amused | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | n000b, no it's not | 16:48 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: So, they get that "I" beaten out of them during ENGL101 | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | n000b, "royalties", as in usage-based payments is a valid use of the word | 16:49 |
| derf | Most of the students with egos skip ENGL101. | 16:49 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: But, before that happens, "I" and "like" make for very good filter rules ;) | 16:49 |
| RST38h | derf: Well, you can't do that really | 16:49 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, ever seen that poem? | 16:49 |
| derf | You could where I went to school. | 16:50 |
| RST38h | derf: You can take it while in high school, but can't skip it | 16:50 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: No, which one? | 16:50 |
| derf | Decent HS english grades got you out of freshman English. | 16:50 |
| derf | No one audited the HS english classes to see if they actually taught anything. | 16:50 |
| RST38h | derf: Oh | 16:50 |
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| n000b | crashanddie: hmm... if money could talk... | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNIBV87wV4 | 16:51 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: why am I feeling that someone SHOULD HAVE said all that ? =) | 16:52 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, this is another one from Taylor Mali which is worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tshNfYWPlDg&feature=related | 16:53 |
| derf | RST38h: I suspect it was a consequence of having too many engineering students and not enough English professors. Since it's hard to hire professors for the sole purpose of teaching freshman English sections. | 16:55 |
| RST38h | derf: I actually took 101 at ...mhm... a community college :) | 16:56 |
| lcuk | Crystal ball thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=377017#post377017 | 16:56 |
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| * RST38h strokes his crystal balls | 16:57 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, willing to bet at which point iPhone will be mentioned? | 16:57 |
| lcuk | well you just godwined it yourself, do you want one? | 16:58 |
| RST38h | An iPhone? No, not really :( | 16:58 |
| lcuk | then post what you would like | 16:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But you probably know what I want - I want Startrek PADDs of all sizes | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | All right, let us play this game for a change =) | 16:58 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, you are normally vocal, get in on the crystal ball thread o_O :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=377017#post377017 | 17:04 |
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| crashanddie | people are using my words now? | 17:05 |
| lcuk | try it | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | not an interesting thread | 17:06 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, speculation makes a spec out of u and some guy named lation | 17:06 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: In fact, lcuk may be correct with his subject choice | 17:07 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: If he intends to pull off all those Oct2009ers into that thread | 17:07 |
| javispedro | and then ban them? :) | 17:07 |
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| javispedro | it's a trap! | 17:07 |
| javispedro | lol | 17:07 |
| RST38h | How interesting it is for the regulars is irrelevant | 17:07 |
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| lcuk | lol RST38h you make it sound like regulars are living their perfect future now with no ambition or thought about what they would like! | 17:11 |
| lcuk | i know its good, but its not everything :D | 17:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No, I make it sound like regulars are pretty tired of discussing "the future of internet tablets" now | 17:11 |
| RST38h | it is more or less like discussing the existance of absence of God | 17:12 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:12 |
| lcuk | god is banned for 10 days, sorry | 17:12 |
| RST38h | BTW, yea, so we have a definite answer to this one | 17:12 |
| lcuk | we found out yesterday he exists and hes a pita | 17:12 |
| RST38h | nothing medication can't fix though | 17:12 |
| lcuk | indeed | 17:13 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 17:14 | |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, done | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, never tell me I didn't do anything for you | 17:19 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you never did anything for me. | 17:20 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:20 |
| mavhc | you won't get drugged for believing in invisible things as long as you say they don't actually do anything | 17:20 |
| bcat | hi, does anyone know when updated ESBox and/or Pluthon versions will be out? The integration builds are still based on Eclipse 3.4 and Pydev 1.4.7. | 17:21 |
| bcat | and I'm not able to update Pydev by manually adding the update site (version conflict with the one coming with ESBox). | 17:22 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, have you got a ticket in the system about the BES support etc and are you talking to the right people often enough | 17:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, no, no | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, when I attended the "business apps" talk at the summit, it was a bit of a joke | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | the guy talked about how he read his emails in bed, and how he had his music playlist for his walk to the office | 17:24 |
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| crashanddie | when I asked about "Exchange Integration" they said it was there, but it doesn't work (for emails, hah, the joke!) | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | when I asked about VPN support, or meeting-makers, they said they never thought about it | 17:24 |
| * lcuk nods | 17:25 | |
| javispedro | bah, the business edition is no longer where the money is. or at least, that's what companies think. | 17:26 |
| lcuk | and hence why your sim remains in your blackberry right now | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | yup | 17:26 |
| javispedro | which is a pity, truly. I liked PDAs better when they were suited for suits | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | my biggest gripe with S60 is the crap VPN support | 17:26 |
| * ShadowJK needs VPN :/ | 17:26 | |
| javispedro | which is something ironic considering I've never used it for business, but still. | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | javispedro, because the nxx0 never had anything making it usable? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | true | 17:27 |
| lcuk | finding the right balance with the software stack is important, this platform is capable with the right planning | 17:27 |
| crashanddie | yeah, it definitely is | 17:27 |
| RST38h | actually, Nokia's "budget" line still has good phones | 17:27 |
| crashanddie | but my company is having wet feet because it doesn't have a business appeal | 17:27 |
| javispedro | no, because "business" for me is just plain email, not working in any company using anything propietary yet | 17:28 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: what are you making, anyway? | 17:28 |
| crashanddie | I'm working my ass off in my free time trying to get some of my company products working on the N900, and I'm making very good progress, but it's not funded by the company | 17:28 |
| * javispedro doesn't even use the phone much | 17:28 | |
| crashanddie | RST38h, we're in IT security | 17:28 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: oh ok | 17:28 |
| RST38h | I think there WAS at least one business case for a security scanning suite running on N800 | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | I need USB OTG though | 17:29 |
| RST38h | They took a standard N800, installed their software and sold it for $$$$$$ | 17:29 |
| RST38h | why? | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | With what I've done on the platform, if I can get USB OTG, I can sell the N900 to 2 million people across the US ;) | 17:30 |
| RST38h | can't you supply power externally? | 17:31 |
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| ShadowJK | i think there's more to it than power.. | 17:31 |
| lcuk | you can prove concept with bt | 17:31 |
| viq | what is USB OTG ? | 17:31 |
| lcuk | or even with n810 | 17:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, concept is proven | 17:31 |
| lcuk | show it working, put a proposal together | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: investigate sdio maybe | 17:32 |
| RST38h | show it working to Nokia | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | USB OTG is impossible. The hardware isn't connected. USB Host might be possible, maybe :) | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Namely, to QGil and friends | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, we're already using the SD port | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Make it a case for OTG | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: beyond 32 gb internal, and the ext minisd? :P | 17:32 |
| * lcuk nods @ rst | 17:32 | |
| RST38h | Although I have heard that the chances are slim | 17:32 |
| lcuk | it might be right now | 17:33 |
| RST38h | It is a hardware limitation they can't work around in software | 17:33 |
| VDVsx | Q: what looks better for a project name: Support for Bluetooth keyboards or Bluetooth keyboards support or <name_it> | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | first one is better | 17:33 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Bluetooth Keyboard Enabler | 17:33 |
| RST38h | BTW, Apple BT keyboards do not work =( | 17:34 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, seems a bit more geeky no ? | 17:34 |
| ShadowJK | apple is a special case of broken... | 17:34 |
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| ShadowJK | surprisingly Microsoft's hardware is usually very good and compatible with everything :-) | 17:35 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: No, the "enabler" thing bring the sense of resolution | 17:35 |
| * VDVsx sends the bluetooth specs to Steve ;) | 17:35 | |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Like an enema can be called "a gastric enabler" =) | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | how about just "Bluetooth Keyboard" | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, on which device and for what | 17:36 |
| lcuk | i thought bt keyboards were a done and dusted deal? | 17:36 |
| crashanddie | http://www.corestreet.com/img/pivman.jpg | 17:36 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, no you've to mess with the system files | 17:36 |
| VDVsx | not good for 'regular' users, IMO | 17:37 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: is that what you make? =) | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, no, but you get the idea | 17:37 |
| lcuk | "bluetooth configurator to leverage the power of tactile input devices" | 17:37 |
| VDVsx | lol | 17:37 |
| * ShadowJK shoots lcuk | 17:37 | |
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| lcuk | my dcim folder is massive | 17:40 |
| crashanddie | flickr ftw | 17:40 |
| lcuk | you only post your best shots to flickr | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | nope, everything goes on there | 17:41 |
| lcuk | i am used to coming home after an event and just clicking one button and dropping everything off machine | 17:41 |
| lcuk | /camera | 17:41 |
| lcuk | ill have to setup the same for this | 17:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Only if you have a pro account | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Or do under 100M/mo of photos | 17:42 |
| lcuk | and i like my photos nearby | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | which costs like £18 for a year | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: true. | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | so £1.2 / month | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: but flickr blows in many ways, so I'm unwilling to spend the money. | 17:42 |
| lcuk | dont you have to select each pic to upload | 17:42 |
| wazd | lcuk: windows does this, like, for all media stuff | 17:43 |
| lcuk | wazd, it never did with my stuff in the way i wanted, ive got folders containing each holiday/event ive ever been to | 17:43 |
| lcuk | currently that folder contains about 20gb of my digital life | 17:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | backed up I hope | 17:44 |
| * lcuk nods | 17:44 | |
| lcuk | dvd ftw | 17:44 |
| lcuk | multiple times | 17:44 |
| lcuk | over the years | 17:44 |
| wazd | Printed photos ftw :) | 17:45 |
| lcuk | as longas stored in reasonable dated books i agree wazd | 17:46 |
| lcuk | if they are just dropped into a shoebox their value deminishes | 17:47 |
| wazd | Well, anything dropped in a shoe box has demenished value :P | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | apart from new shoes :D my missus loves em lol | 17:48 |
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| wazd | My Adobe Lightroom cries "No! No again!" every time I come back with d-slr | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | heh how powerful is your home machine? | 17:51 |
| wazd | Powerful, but usually I shoot out 2x16 Gb CFs | 17:52 |
| wazd | And that's a lot to copy) | 17:53 |
| lcuk | yeah but im on an amd 3200+ crappy cpu with 2gb mem only, what spec are you upto? | 17:53 |
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| wazd | X2 4200, 4gb ram | 17:54 |
| lcuk | do you use dedicated card reader or just copy via usb2/firewire or whatever the rage is now | 17:54 |
| wazd | Usb from the camera | 17:54 |
| wazd | Same as card-reader | 17:55 |
| lcuk | heh, my xp box has given up knowing its got usb2 and moans every day | 17:55 |
| lcuk | its faster now to copy via ssh | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Heh, you only managed to attract one Oct2009er | 18:00 |
| lcuk | so far | 18:00 |
| RST38h | With expected comment too | 18:00 |
| * lcuk shrugs. | 18:00 | |
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| lcuk | like i said, it takes more than one | 18:01 |
| lcuk | but at least im not just sitting back moaning :) | 18:01 |
| RST38h | let's wait and see =) | 18:01 |
| * lcuk nods | 18:01 | |
| * RST38h moans melodically | 18:01 | |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Seen that memoir by the nuclear propulsion guy? | 18:10 |
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| pupnik | from sweden? | 18:13 |
| RST38h | No, the american guy, you have seen it | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | post link, cant remember if seen | 18:14 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/15/zuppero_solar_system/ | 18:17 |
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| kurtan | frals_: there? | 18:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ok. mxr.maemo.org/fremantle search index is transfering, there's one minor bug in the results page that i know of | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | but it should transfer in a bit | 18:28 |
| kurtan | god damit, the N900 is better then i thought.. | 18:29 |
| kurtan | the wait is worth it | 18:29 |
| * kurtan got to play with it for a while today | 18:29 | |
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| kurtan | http://kurtan.se/swec/_DS32817.jpg | 18:30 |
| kurtan | <3 | 18:30 |
| kurtan | its a natural irc-device | 18:30 |
| kurtan | :D | 18:30 |
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| aSIMULAter | an IRCers dream come true | 18:34 |
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| RST38h | aSIMULAter: Frankly, letters are too small and/or there are too few of 'em =) | 18:36 |
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| kurtan | really, i'll probably make the font even smaller when i get my own | 18:36 |
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| Klowner | I hope amazon starts shipping soon | 18:37 |
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| trbs | can I show a banner without the need of a GtkWidget as defined in hildon_banner_show_information () ? | 18:43 |
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| aSIMULAter | they physical kb has never really been an issue with my fingers cause they're small anyways | 18:44 |
| RST38h | keyboard is no problem, true | 18:44 |
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| RST38h | screen is though | 18:44 |
| aSIMULAter | screen's ok for me, i even have my font at 10pt in terminal | 18:45 |
| qwerty12 | trbs: If this is for Fremantle, NULL works. Giving it a widget just makes the banner transient for a window | 18:45 |
| aSIMULAter | it could be a tiny bit bigger but | 18:45 |
| aSIMULAter | not my call hehe | 18:45 |
| RST38h | lucky | 18:45 |
| trbs | qwerty12, thanks, yeah it's Fremantle.. then I must be doing something else wrong cause it's spitting out glib errors | 18:46 |
| javispedro | how's the nokia conspiracy for not allowing any more diablo apps in the repos going? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12 | trbs: Ah, I've only checked on the device, where GLib errors don't seem to be visible... | 18:47 |
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| pupnik | qwerty12: what do you use for "pipe" char on N900 - anything i can google? | 18:50 |
| qwerty12 | pupnik: I just press the pipe character on the symbol selection dialog... | 18:51 |
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| pupnik | k | 18:51 |
| pupnik | it is time to remap | 18:51 |
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| pupnik | aaand the winner of the Least Important Character is..... | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | $ | 18:56 |
| pupnik | heh close ...the British Pound! | 18:56 |
| * qwerty12 grumbles at pupnik | 18:57 | |
| ShadowJK | how about z, you can type everything with s instead and appear as some sort of intellectual pompous twit | 18:57 |
| * javispedro runs out of lesser important characters | 18:57 | |
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| range | sero impact for the sany english language. | 18:58 |
| qwerty12 | Remapping the N810 keyboard was easy: Just remove the Yen | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | c too, use k | 18:58 |
| * RST38h votes for the poind sign | 18:58 | |
| RST38h | pound | 18:59 |
| RST38h | Nobody really needs anything but the $ sign =) | 18:59 |
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| alterego | But the pound is worth quite a bit more than the dollar .. | 18:59 |
| lcuk | without pund sing how would all the twats make hashtags? | 19:00 |
| lcuk | pound | 19:00 |
| * lcuk is dyslexic today | 19:00 | |
| range | I think he means the pound sterling thingy - but that could be replaced with EUR. | 19:00 |
| RST38h | No, I mean the f thing, not the # | 19:00 |
| range | £ | 19:01 |
| derf | This is why God invented the Compose key. | 19:01 |
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| RST38h | Just replace 'em all with the bug sign | 19:02 |
| RST38h | And be done with it | 19:02 |
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| pupnik | here, check my n900 live direct video feed! http://pupnik.de/live | 19:07 |
| qwerty12 | Put some clothes on! | 19:07 |
| mikhas | object not found | 19:07 |
| pupnik | ... exactly | 19:07 |
| lcuk | pupnik, install webcam server software on your server | 19:08 |
| lcuk | and it will work | 19:08 |
| lcuk | or can rather | 19:08 |
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| pupnik | no live video feed for n900. qik is not the answer :) | 19:08 |
| trbs | sigh | 19:09 |
| mikhas | that screen on the homepage's background is pretty impressive .. | 19:09 |
| pupnik | it is indeed .. 22" iiyama diamondtron | 19:10 |
| pupnik | just need shutterglasses... | 19:11 |
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| pupnik | some sdl aps from n800 seem to "just run" on n90p | 19:20 |
| javispedro | of course, not much has changed | 19:20 |
| javispedro | the worst part is Xsp | 19:20 |
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| RST38h | Xsp improved, hasn't it? | 19:22 |
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| javispedro | well, I don' have hardware, but it's been said to me it just blacks the screen when composited and does nothing when not composited. | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | anyone did x11vnc on n900 yet? | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the server side? | 19:28 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | so i can have a n900 window on my desktop | 19:29 |
| lcuk | not seen yet | 19:29 |
| lcuk | isnt it a bit different now with the compositing etc | 19:29 |
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| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_500x_crunchpad.jpg | 19:37 |
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| pupnik | pingus could run 15-20fps but it has some memory problems | 19:44 |
| pupnik | runs smooth, jerky, smooth | 19:45 |
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| Chani | heh. my n900 won't let me go offline | 20:06 |
| Chani | it's not really online either, though | 20:06 |
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| RST38h | Chani; Switch into Airplane Mode (with all radios off), then back | 20:11 |
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| pancake | how can I run a command as root in a hildon app? | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | sudo? :P | 20:12 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, a airplanemode cycle still required now and hten on n900? same as S60 then :) | 20:14 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm....the script kiddie got to iNES =) | 20:16 |
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| RST38h | Looks like he is artificially lowering the the votes for every single app in the Maemo5 Downloads list, except for the fresh ones, to which he apparently has not got yet | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: I had to do it a few times, usually after GPRS got stuck between some towers | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | sounds familiar | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | sadly the system seems to be so overengineered that the operator and handset manufacturer can blame eachother indefinitely | 20:21 |
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| pancake | any idea about how can I run a command as root in a hildon app? | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | with my s60 phone it only happens on one operator, though I haven't used it as extensively on the non-buggy operator... | 20:23 |
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| RST38h | happens to me in a single location at my way to work | 20:24 |
| RST38h | actually, n900 only breaks gprs connection there, usually | 20:24 |
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| RST38h | e70 needed an off/on cycle for radios and sometimes even rebooted | 20:25 |
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| sp3000 | pancake: an option is to ship a simple safe suid executable and call that | 20:26 |
| sp3000 | and try to not make it do arbitrary things :) | 20:27 |
| * sp3000 reorders a few words | 20:27 | |
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| pupnik | pancake: maybe the app needs SUID = root | 20:28 |
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| lcuk | pancake, generally one does not run root into mordor | 20:29 |
| pancake | ok | 20:29 |
| pupnik | or maybe it really shouldnt do whatever you are thinking-of | 20:29 |
| pancake | but it is not much clear for the platform | 20:29 |
| lcuk | but what reason do you need dangerous things | 20:29 |
| pancake | i mean, there is gksudo and stuff like this | 20:29 |
| pancake | gnome-keyring and so | 20:29 |
| pupnik | hmm cool | 20:29 |
| RST38h | why do you need a reason to do dangerous things, lcuk? | 20:30 |
| pancake | setup bluetooth | 20:30 |
| sp3000 | yeah I don't know if those exist here | 20:30 |
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| sp3000 | something more than what you can get via gconf / dbus? | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, just understanding how it works and wanting to do as much as possible as user rather than just generically stepping to root | 20:31 |
| pupnik | yes, a well defined api is better than "give me root" | 20:31 |
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| sp3000 | if something built-in twiddles the same bits you want to twiddle then monitoring dbus / gconf while operating those guis might be helpful | 20:34 |
| sp3000 | if it's something quite diffrerent then possibly not so helpful :) | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/ now featuring /fremantle | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp++ | 20:36 |
| * Stskeeps rather enjoys x11vnc of n900 on his linux desktop | 20:37 | |
| Stskeeps | now if the cursor handling was better.. | 20:37 |
| dmj7261 | zaheerm: I was trying to run a python program on Maemo and it gave an import error: no module named zope.interface | 20:37 |
| dmj7261 | I saw that you were the maintainer for it. | 20:37 |
| dmj7261 | What seems to be the issue with it? | 20:37 |
| dmj7261 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-zope.interface/ | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: if someone could possibly verify that things are ok, that'd be appreciated :) | 20:37 |
| javispedro | I just searched a few keywords and seems to answer them. | 20:40 |
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| javispedro | timeless: btw, mxr could also index garage projects using git ;) | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: do projects convert | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | or is there a new list? | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i had a number of problems w/ garage | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | one of them is that i hate svn (it's incredibly expensive disk wise) | 20:45 |
| javispedro | dunno how it works.... | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | another was that calculating repo roots and a list of repos was computational expensive | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (it involved sequential brute force attacks on quasi well known urls) | 20:45 |
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| javispedro | heh | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | the computer i used to stage fremantle has limited disk space and is *not* designated for nokia work | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | (and doesn't have anywhere near the space required to index garage) | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | normally i'd use my work computer, but it kinda decayed ages ago and i hadn't spent the time rebuilding it | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | for garage, the stuff there should still work | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | so i could probably do it | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'd still need to figure out the git bits | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | plus there's maemo.gitorious.org | 20:47 |
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| pupnik | Stskeeps: can aou share the x11vnc config/bin? | 20:51 |
| pupnik | you | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: x11vnc from -devel | 20:51 |
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| CoreFusion- | :) playing around with "virtual maemo 5" | 20:53 |
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| CoreFusion- | looking good :) | 20:58 |
| pupnik | Stskeeps: i thought you meant you had a vnc of n900 desktop | 21:01 |
| pupnik | kind of an ugly thought | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | ai do | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | i do | 21:02 |
| pupnik | bbl | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | media player :P | 21:02 |
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| pwnguin | iNES is on maemo select? | 21:04 |
| pwnguin | that seems like lawsuit bait | 21:04 |
| luke-jr | ? | 21:05 |
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| * sp3000 giggles at the "rating" column sorter | 21:10 | |
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| sp3000 | the first click sorts if ascending, so you get the lowest rated on top | 21:10 |
| sp3000 | s,if,it, | 21:10 |
| sp3000 | that's probably exactly what was expected/desired :P | 21:10 |
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| Proteous | I hate sorts that give you the wrong direction first | 21:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, egads that's obnoxious. | 21:28 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Some context, please? :) | 21:29 |
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| Anidel | hi | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Evening, Anidel | 21:29 |
| Anidel | hey qwerty12, good evening to you as well | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | hey qwerty12_N900 Anidel | 21:30 |
| Anidel | hi lcuk | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Evening, lcuk | 21:30 |
| lcuk | hi GeneralAntilles as well \o | 21:31 |
| * Anidel nods | 21:31 | |
| * lcuk was asked a question the other day | 21:31 | |
| * Anidel doesn't care about lcuk question.. but, alas, what was it? | 21:31 | |
| lcuk | and im not sure who in the community would be mental enough to manage it | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | ill talk to you on tuesday about it i think Anidel | 21:34 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N900, are you goin to london doofer | 21:34 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Nope | 21:35 |
| Anidel | so you're coming??? | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | i think so | 21:35 |
| lcuk | but i havent had confirmation yet | 21:35 |
| Anidel | that'd be cool | 21:36 |
| lcuk | indeed it would, lots of beer, playing with toys and i might finally get an n900 :D lol | 21:37 |
| Anidel | ? what? you don't have it yet??? | 21:37 |
| lcuk | lol ofc i have :P | 21:37 |
| lcuk | but i do need to swap mine | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | its a bit borkened and whenever i try to plug it into a projector it has a shit | 21:38 |
| Anidel | eheh :) but I'll win it :p not you | 21:38 |
| lcuk | its rather offputting | 21:38 |
| Anidel | indeed | 21:38 |
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| Anidel | like it did at the summit | 21:38 |
| lcuk | worst thing is it worked at ODZ and it works here at home | 21:39 |
| lcuk | but no other projector manages it | 21:39 |
| lcuk | *for more than about 2s | 21:39 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, the Diablo conspiracy. | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Yeah... | 21:40 |
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| vandenoever | where can i find the firmware this blog talks about? http://nokiaexperts.com/nokia-n900-firmware-4211-nsu/ | 21:44 |
| lcuk | with the nokia software updater of course | 21:45 |
| lcuk | like the blog talks about | 21:45 |
| crashanddie | vandenoever, from the article you linked to: "so I connected via Nokia PC Suite this morning and ran the Nokia Software Updater to discover an update was indeed available. I just downloaded the 161.4 MB file and updated the Nokia N900 to firmware 1.2009.42.11." | 21:46 |
| lcuk | but then, if you are one of the 300 with loaned devices: | 21:46 |
| lcuk | Andrew Flegg | 21:46 |
| lcuk | November 13, 2009 | 21:46 |
| lcuk | Apparently, the version in “About Product” will change (flashed into CAL); however the upgrade itself won’t apply: | 21:46 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372295&postcount=17 | 21:46 |
| lcuk | (thanks jaffa!) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372295&postcount=17 | 21:46 |
| lcuk | - last line | 21:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, paste fail | 21:46 |
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| vandenoever | lcuk: i've a loaner .. | 21:47 |
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| vandenoever | i wouldnt mind reflashing | 21:48 |
| lcuk | read the post | 21:48 |
| lcuk | Anidel, how did you manage to reflash? ahhhh you didnt have a device from the summit did you | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: I call bollocks. My hildon-desktop version is newer, at least. | 21:49 |
| Anidel | no, I had one earlier... | 21:49 |
| Anidel | but did it via windows and NSU | 21:49 |
| vandenoever | right so, lcuk, it needs a full flash | 21:50 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: can i get you to give me a version of the cpa that passes the extra parent xid? | 21:51 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: btw, please try mxr.maemo.org/fremantle :) | 21:51 |
| Anidel | I've read of a guy on talk that did upgrade his via nsu | 21:51 |
| lcuk | ive heard scattered reports too | 21:52 |
| lcuk | but we dont know which is which, if it wont flash it wont flash | 21:52 |
| lcuk | and official folks have said that it wont so, what can we really do \o/ | 21:52 |
| Anidel | try :) | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp | won't what? | 21:53 |
| lcuk | flash yet | 21:53 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: I'll get around to it later, tonight | 21:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/gypsy-daemon/debian/ | 21:55 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 21:55 | |
| timeless_mbp | what kind of description is 'gypsy'? | 21:55 |
| hcarrega | lol | 21:57 |
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| range | A terse one. | 21:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it's legal for me to file a bug against that, right? | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | err.. sure, why not | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-synopsis | 22:00 |
| timeless_mbp | 3.4.1 The single line synopsis | 22:00 |
| timeless_mbp | The single line synopsis should be kept brief - certainly under 80 characters. | 22:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Do not include the package name in the synopsis line. The display software knows how to display this already, and you do not need to state it. Remember that in many situations the user may only see the synopsis line - make it as informative as you can. | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 22:00 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders where the heck to file this bug | 22:01 | |
| Proteous | gypsy | 22:01 |
| Proteous | short for do not install | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: internal would probably be the best shot | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | there's no fun in that | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably an upstream bug anyway | 22:02 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, looks like nokia packaging | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | filing it internally won't get it fixed faster :) | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | really? | 22:02 |
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| range | I don't see a package "gypsy" on a bog standard debian. | 22:04 |
| range | Which does not not make it an upstream bug, sure. | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if it was debian packaging i'm almost willing to bet it wouldn't get through.. | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ... | 22:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | range: if you have time to go hunting and can figure out if there's an upstream debian/control description ... | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | (due to policy checks) | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/alsa-utils/debian/control?mark=13-13,19-19,19 | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | 13 Package: alsa-utils | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | 19 Description: ALSA utilities | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | oh sure, that's mighty helpful | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | well, it is exact.. | 22:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | it useless the same words as in the package name, which violates policy | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | adding a couple of letters does not a helpful description make | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: fair warning, i'm stuffing my bug totals :) | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | other people are free to play along, the barrel's full, you can join me in shooting them: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/ | 22:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | minor warning /sometimes/ the description given isn't from debian/control and is instead from e.g. README, so always look into the directory :) | 22:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | do i want to know why gcc3.4 and gcc4.2 are in the repo? | 22:09 |
| timeless_mbp | gcc-3.4/ - Nov 2 2006 The GNU C compiler | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | gcc-4.2/ - Jun 25 12:19 The GNU C compiler | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | gcc-defaults/ - Dec 18 2007 The GNU C preprocessor (cpp) | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | libgcc and such | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | (probably) | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | and for legal reasons | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, I'm betting Peter's talking about CMT stuff. | 22:10 |
| timeless_mbp | cmt? | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N900 | flasher-3.5 said my CMT was happily flashed | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: Peter could be full of it. | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: yeah but your method is saner than direct NSU update | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, flasher-3.5 --help | 22:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I don't recall what the acronym is for right now, but it isn't Country Music Television. | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damnit, where's Andre when you need him? | 22:12 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: If it downloads the same files... But, then again, flasher-3.5 is much more specialised WRT the N900, than NSU is | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: yeah - and NSU might need some changes in nolo or whatever :P | 22:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles finds it funny that whenever Karsten or Andre make blog posts about Bugzilla somebody always comments asking them if they're planning on forwarding things to upstream (some more trollish than others). | 22:13 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ARM9 netbook | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the point? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | cheap | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Menq-Easypc-E790/ | 22:14 |
| * timeless_mbp would have to find their blog's | 22:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Putting an ARM11 in there aint gonna make it much more expensive. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Planet, of course. | 22:15 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, that fell off my reading ages ago | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 22:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | In this case, the one just after Khertan's PyGTK post. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://blogs.gnome.org/kbrae/2009/11/13/back-open-back-to-bugzilla/ | 22:15 |
| range | timeless_mbp: Upstream for that package seems to be o-hand.com | 22:15 |
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| range | And they have Description: GPS multiplexing daemon | 22:16 |
| range | + A GPS multiplexing daemon using DBus. | 22:16 |
| timeless_mbp | range: if you have a bugzilla account, you could make a suggestion or provide a patch :) | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sadly since the whole "Planet should be for consumers, too!" push the SNR on Planet has gone in the shitter. | 22:16 |
| timeless_mbp | snr? | 22:16 |
| timeless_mbp | signal noise | 22:16 |
| timeless_mbp | gotcha | 22:16 |
| * timeless_mbp is sleeping ... | 22:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, IRC sleep walking? | 22:17 |
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| range | timeless_mbp: I am a redhat person, not a debian one. Just happens that my irc client runs on debian :) | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i fall asleep on the couch | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | no walking requierd | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | range: hopefully you can earn karma by posting patches | 22:17 |
| timeless_mbp | if not, file a bug (+karma) asking to :) | 22:17 |
| * qwerty12_N900 better get some for his work on #5300 | 22:18 | |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: the upstream request by mkanat is about hacks to bugzilla | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | since he's the bugzilla upstream | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | bug #5300 | 22:19 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 Support sending files via Bluetooth in file manager | 22:19 |
| lcuk | yes qwerty lol, you should | 22:19 |
| range | timeless_mbp: So you didn't find a component to file it against either? :) | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | range: i'm not having much luck | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yes, I know, but I find it funny that whenever they make a blog post there's always comments about forwarding to upstream. | 22:20 |
| lcuk | timeless, how long do these mxrs take to update | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't have editbugs and think you can do better, let me know | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either Bugzilla, Debian or elsewise. | 22:20 |
| range | timeless_mbp: Probably location. I'll file one. | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | range: oh, i filed bugs | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i just couldn't find places | 22:20 |
| range | Har. Har :) | 22:21 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: no you shouldn't! You should work on transmission! Now!11 | 22:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&reporter=timeless@gmail.com&chfieldfrom=1d | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: But I must defend our freedom! I shall not be restricted to just sending video clips and images! | 22:22 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: ah, ok then :D | 22:23 |
| lcuk | multitransport video clips and images | 22:23 |
| lcuk | the lolcats must get through | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | How is h-a-m slower than the frickin web browser? | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: =) | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | apt is expensive :) | 22:23 |
| timeless_mbp | hey, i'm 99% certain there's a rule against using sentences in the one line description | 22:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone know where i can find that rule? | 22:24 |
| lcuk | /msg jeremiah | 22:24 |
| lcuk | usually works | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, fm-radio is mostly Python libs, by the way. | 22:24 |
| alterego | That bluetooth file sending capability, how on Earth has that not been in from the start? | 22:24 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: um, ... ok, did i ask about it? | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, or just ping him publicly so everybody can benefit from the logs later on. ;) | 22:25 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: it was removed | 22:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the reasons for its removal are um... | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Too complicated. | 22:25 |
| GAN900 | Somebody complained about it being big in scrollback. | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | stupidity | 22:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks for a lawyer | 22:25 | |
| lcuk | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-descriptions | 22:25 |
| lcuk | go2source | 22:25 |
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| Stskeeps | wb javispedro | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i was just tehre | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | it didn't seem to help | 22:27 |
| lcuk | well you cannot get any more official than that source | 22:27 |
| lcuk | so if its not mentioned there.. | 22:27 |
| javispedro | moo | 22:27 |
| lcuk | hey javis | 22:27 |
| * javispedro adds smbd and nmbd to his tablet's inetd.conf just because he can :) | 22:28 | |
| wazd | javispedro: heya | 22:28 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Does /usr/bin/pick-locale-<whatever> return anything other than 0? | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Hiya, javispedro | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least, not intentionally | 22:29 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Suits me :) | 22:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-control-panel/debian/control?mark=8-8,16-16,16 | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | 8 Package: hildon-control-panel | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | 16 Description: Hildon Control Panel | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | now there's a great description! | 22:31 |
| javispedro | :) | 22:32 |
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| range | timeless_mbp: #6198 | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | range: if you write "bug 6198" the bot will do something | 22:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6198 Description field of gypsy just doubles the name | 22:33 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 22:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | range: sorry, i tried to say i filed that bug | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | next time please search/check the links i provide :) | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | you now have editbugs (and canconfirm), so you can file 'new' bugs and should be careful to avoid filing duplicates :) | 22:35 |
| range | timeless_mbp: Argh :) | 22:36 |
| range | timeless_mbp: Yeah, I didn't quite follow, as you were two bugs further already. | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | my fault, i should have dropped bug numbers instead of cute query urls | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | is it possible to have the bot actually post info on new bugs? | 22:39 |
| lcuk | ive seen integration similar before, but from a buildbot | 22:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's possible | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | do you really want it? | 22:40 |
| lcuk | well theres lots of talk of bugs atm | 22:42 |
| alterego | How about #maemo-bugs ? | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | a dedicated channel is typically a better idea | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise it ends up being too spammy | 22:43 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 22:43 |
| alterego | My thoughts exactly | 22:43 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | if you're interested in bugs | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you can watch the active filers :) | 22:44 |
| alterego | Personally, I think an RSS feed would be better. | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | that's trivial | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | consider my query | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | view-source:https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&reporter=timeless@gmail.com&chfieldfrom=1d&ctype=rss | 22:45 |
| alterego | query? | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | drop the reporter if you don't want to limit it to me | 22:45 |
| alterego | Ah, nice | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | note that my query is for bugs that have changed, not bugs that have been reported | 22:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | but advanced trivially lets you ask for 1d+filed | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | add &chfield=[Bug+creation] | 22:46 |
| alterego | Nice :) | 22:47 |
| alterego | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=1d&ctype=rss&chfield=[Bug+creation] | 22:47 |
| alterego | So, that then ;) | 22:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | for sharing, you want to add &ctype=rss at the end | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise some clients won't include the ] | 22:47 |
| alterego | Interesting | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | irc clients are funny about linkification | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | (so are mail clients) | 22:48 |
| alterego | Hrm | 22:48 |
| alterego | Well, I'm using irssi->screen->ssh | 22:48 |
| alterego | ->gnome-terminal | 22:48 |
| alterego | So it works pretty good for me :P | 22:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | just keep in mind that when sharing links (and your goal here is to do just that), you want to ensure the most successful link transmission possible :) | 22:49 |
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| alterego | http://tinyurl.com/maemo-bugs-rss | 22:51 |
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| alterego | That betteR? :) | 22:51 |
| timeless_mbp | definitely safer :) | 22:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | speaking of getting flagged by debian automatics: | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libnice/debian/control?mark=13-13,17-17,17 | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 Maintainer: Dafydd Harries <daf@debian.org>, Youness Alaoui <youness.alaoui@collabora.co.uk> | 23:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | 13 Package: libnice0 | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | 17 Description: libnice | 23:00 |
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| javispedro | well, it's a lib and is nice. | 23:05 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 23:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | i really want to see a rule that bans periods | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | From short descriptions? | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Me too. | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Typical male | 23:06 |
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| BabelO | hi all | 23:07 |
| BabelO | i justinstall a fresh scratchbox for aemo5 and setup all. I finshed compiling my qt application www.qlandkarte.org but i miss some information about N900 the backlight and gps device in /dev | 23:09 |
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| alterego | Anyone here got an N900 handy? | 23:12 |
| alterego | I wanna know how well the extjs framework runs on it. | 23:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | i suppose i should ask how you intend to find out | 23:20 |
| RST38h | alterego: It dos not | 23:20 |
| RST38h | does | 23:20 |
| alterego | :( | 23:21 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/PackagingTutorial | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | English/PackagingTutorial (last edited 2008-10-27 02:49:33 by MichaelSchurter) | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't sound like a gal | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Actually, if you mean the JavaScript version, it may | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Java version does not, no practical Java Runtime | 23:21 |
| alterego | Yes, that's what I mean :P | 23:21 |
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| * Anidel just booked the flight to Barcelona | 23:39 | |
| luke-jr | why | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | for the maemo thing? | 23:40 |
| Anidel | yep | 23:40 |
| luke-jr | there's a Maemo thing? :p | 23:40 |
| Anidel | who else is going from here? | 23:40 |
| Anidel | see the topic luke | 23:40 |
| Anidel | Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend | 23:40 |
| Anidel | http://tinyurl.com/ydv6p62 | 23:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | what's wrong with this picture: | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | automake/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles. | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | automake1.7/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | automake1.8/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles | 23:43 |
| timeless_mbp | automake1.9/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles | 23:43 |
| Anidel | the indentation ? :D | 23:43 |
| luke-jr | XD | 23:44 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, "which of these is not like the others?" | 23:44 |
| Anidel | all of them ? <empty> != <1.7> != <1.8> != <1.9> | 23:45 |
| Anidel | :D | 23:45 |
| * Anidel runs... | 23:45 | |
| RST38h | To rm -rf, all these are alike | 23:46 |
| * Anidel got it! it's not a picture! it's text ! | 23:47 | |
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| * Anidel runs faster... | 23:47 | |
| Firebird | timeless, the ones with the version numbers are old versions | 23:49 |
| * Anidel got it again ! it's the '.' at the end of the first one, spotted the difference! | 23:50 | |
| * Anidel runs even faster... | 23:50 | |
| * timeless_mbp gives Anidel a cupie doll | 23:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | or perhaps a cookie | 23:50 |
| * Anidel doesn't trust the bait and runs | 23:51 | |
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| RST38h | Anidel: Hey, when is the newest and greatest Xournal with the full UI going to arrive? =) | 23:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 23:53 |
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| * timeless_mbp figures out why the description of [clipboard-manager] is [sync"] | 23:53 | |
| mikhas | say, anyone of you know some hildon/qt4.6 api documentation? | 23:53 |
| Anidel | rst38h: when I stop running.. :) the issue is.. I am not good at UIs, so I am not sure how to put all those tools back | 23:53 |
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| RST38h | Anidel: Need help with advice? | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, so, after Barcelona? ;) | 23:54 |
| Anidel | rst38h: the UX Meets Code at Barcellona would be great to shed some light.. | 23:54 |
| RST38h | Anidel: Ah ok | 23:54 |
| Anidel | rst38h: if you can :) | 23:54 |
| timeless_mbp | mikhas: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/qt4-x11/doc/src/ ? :) | 23:54 |
| RST38h | Anidel: Otherwise, wazd can help you with design/layout and me or qwerty can help with GTK | 23:54 |
| Anidel | cool, I will gather all the tools that needs to be there and we can think how to better organize them | 23:55 |
| RST38h | Anidel: Just give the full list of options you would like to stick there and we will figure sometghing out | 23:55 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to remember how to file bugs against qt | 23:55 | |
| Anidel | I'll have to do that anyway so that I have some material at the hackfest.. I'll post them on the Xournal for Fremantle thread asap | 23:55 |
| Anidel | then we can do some mockups | 23:56 |
| RST38h | Aha | 23:56 |
| Anidel | In the meanwhile I was looking at a brand new feature for Xournal... have a loot at CellWriter | 23:57 |
| Anidel | *look | 23:57 |
| RST38h | Anidel: that is a handwriting recognition tha is supposed to go into him? | 23:57 |
| Anidel | hopefully... | 23:58 |
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| Anidel | anyone using Nokia Messaging to get mail from their gmail account? | 23:59 |
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