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| pupnik | clutter doesnt antialias application overview? | 00:02 |
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| felipec | jkridner|work: I don't really know anything about this, just what ds has said | 00:02 |
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| lcukn900 | phone is saying 3.5g whats that then | 00:05 |
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| range | 3.5 * 9.81m/s^2 | 00:06 |
| lcukn900 | lol | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, HSPA | 00:09 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST | 00:14 |
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| javispedro | so I guess not... | 00:14 |
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| * GAN900 <3 Comcast | 00:16 | |
| pupnik | thanks javispedro | 00:23 |
| pupnik | is there a feature request to send/share video clips from media player? | 00:23 |
| pupnik | that seems pretty obvious | 00:23 |
| pupnik | and reviewers will want it | 00:23 |
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| pupnik | tablet-encode is addictive | 00:28 |
| pupnik | i have such great looking conversions 200-500ÃB | 00:29 |
| pupnik | MB | 00:29 |
| lcukn900 | why would a desktop shortcut vanish o_O | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because hildon-home crashed? | 00:30 |
| lcukn900 | not that i know of | 00:31 |
| lcukn900 | its got everything else | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wont necessarily tell you. | 00:31 |
| lcukn900 | just one is mia | 00:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | What shortcut, exactly? | 00:31 |
| lcukn900 | its not listed in the add thing either | 00:31 |
| lcukn900 | liqmap | 00:32 |
| lcukn900 | i used it about an hour ago | 00:32 |
| lcukn900 | me needs new sw so i can file bugs if they occur | 00:32 |
| lcukn900 | mind you this is same hw that failed at summit too | 00:33 |
| * lcukn900 has given it northernitis | 00:33 | |
| lcukn900 | lukes major illness btw is tonsilitis | 00:34 |
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| serenity | hi there | 00:43 |
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| serenity | is there a plugin for conversations that i can use icq? | 00:43 |
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| greenfly | serenity: the AIM plugin should work for icq as well | 00:46 |
| greenfly | just use your icq # as the username | 00:46 |
| serenity | ok, thanks | 00:46 |
| serenity | same company, should work ;) | 00:47 |
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| Xisdibik | would love any of your guys input in my offtopic thread ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34425 | 00:52 |
| Xisdibik | :D | 00:52 |
| simula | i heard that n900's started shipping on the 10th... anyone get their n900 yet? | 00:52 |
| Xisdibik | simula: not me :( | 00:53 |
| pupnik | media player not supporting youtube flv is going to bother ppl too | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | simula: they diddn't really. | 00:53 |
| simula | hehe | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | simula: they started shipping to distributors | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | simula: Not one user has reported availability. | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I ordered through nokia.co.uk, and have had no email saying they're shipping. | 00:53 |
| simula | me neither | 00:53 |
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| pupnik | look at these multi-megabyte python apps that do almost nothing | 00:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do you have Python installed? :) | 00:59 |
| pupnik | yes | 00:59 |
| pupnik | fmtuner > 6 MB | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where do you get "multimegabyte" then? | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are libraries, mostly. | 00:59 |
| pupnik | mirror > 6 MB | 00:59 |
| pupnik | 6 > 1 | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Erm, yeah, you don't have the libs installed. | 00:59 |
| pupnik | with libs it was 22 MB | 01:00 |
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| pupnik | 4 minutes downloading one python applet | 01:02 |
| lcuk | pupnik, did you get your phone sorted then | 01:02 |
| pupnik | yeah! | 01:02 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, HSPA is super broadband stuff? | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's 3.5G | 01:02 |
| lcuk | cool | 01:02 |
| pupnik | external charger lcuk | 01:03 |
| mikkov__ | fmradio 445KB when I have one another python app installed | 01:03 |
| pupnik | ok ty | 01:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, told ya. Libs. | 01:03 |
| pupnik | then i misunderstood the reporting | 01:03 |
| pupnik | "details" said 22 MB | 01:03 |
| mikkov__ | you didn't have python installed then | 01:03 |
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| jaem_n900 | hey folks | 01:05 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Any IRC clients currently running on Freemantle? | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | XChat | 01:05 |
| lcuk | xchat | 01:05 |
| jaem_n900 | I just called Rogers to ask about data plans, and the rep pulled a Verizon | 01:05 |
| jaem_n900 | *facepalm* | 01:05 |
| lcuk | but i notice after an evening with it, its not perfect | 01:05 |
| mikkov__ | pidgin too | 01:05 |
| lcuk | when i minimize to tray, where does it go? | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4053628588/ | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, lol. | 01:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's not XChat's fault. | 01:06 |
| lcuk | never said it was | 01:06 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Already ported, is it? Thanks. | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, there's no support for that built-in in Fremantle. | 01:06 |
| lcuk | its a legit question tho, where does it go and how do i get it back | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | It gets minimized | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the hildon statusbar doesn't support that functionality | 01:06 |
| lcuk | cant it become a tray icon thingy | 01:06 |
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| jaem_n900 | the Rogers rep said that data overages were "0.03 cents" per MB | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you write an applet for it. | 01:06 |
| jaem_n900 | somehow I doubt that | 01:07 |
| lcuk | or host it inside xchat itself | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | ok | 01:07 |
| lcuk | i hear ya | 01:07 |
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| kurtan | frals: såg du att klas skrev på minhembio ? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | im also not sure if its sleeping | 01:07 |
| frals | negative, checking not | 01:07 |
| * lcuk will have to powertop | 01:07 | |
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| kurtan | frals: wut? | 01:08 |
| frals | checking now* | 01:08 |
| kurtan | hehe :D | 01:08 |
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| mikkov__ | lcuk: try installing Notification Area from extras-testing | 01:08 |
| lcuk | are there multiple versions of xchat now | 01:08 |
| * lcuk thinks he remembered something | 01:08 | |
| pupnik | lest this noise distract from the point - gross, fat, slow... python. mirror is still installing TEN MINUTES later | 01:08 |
| lcuk | pupnik, what kind of connection are you on? ip over avian? | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, there are tradeoffs in everything. | 01:09 |
| pupnik | 235KB/S | 01:09 |
| pupnik | yup | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, Python's low barrier to entry makes it heavier and slower. | 01:09 |
| jaem_n900 | lcuk: IPoA is all the rage now | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, not really worth freaking out about, however. ;) | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally I'd rather have more applications. | 01:09 |
| frals | kurtan: god the language in that post is quite bad, id expect someone like him to take greater care when he posts on a public forum | 01:10 |
| jaem_n900 | seriously, though I read an article about a South African company switching to flash key-carrying pidgeons | 01:10 |
| kurtan | frals: well, yes | 01:10 |
| kurtan | but it is still him | 01:10 |
| frals | yeah just saw the twitter msg | 01:11 |
| Macer | there is something special about kung fu the legend continues | 01:13 |
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| Macer | where back in the day people would settle their differences by kung fu fighting on the streets | 01:13 |
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| pupnik | RST38h's ines is 95KB | 01:14 |
| DantonicN800 | penguinbait, hi u there? | 01:15 |
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| sp3001 | hmh | 01:18 |
| sp3001 | and now to find out why ubuntu decided to <blink>the wireless light</blink> at me | 01:18 |
| Stskeeps | cos whoever made that feature should be shot | 01:19 |
| sp3001 | I'm ....I'm ...I'M SENDING DATA!111 <blink/><blink/><blink/> | 01:19 |
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| sp3001 | it's the HI YOU MIGHT BE ON IRC light | 01:19 |
| sp3001 | also, the HI YOU MIGHT STILL BE ON IRC light | 01:19 |
| sp3001 | fascinating stuff | 01:19 |
| pupnik | lol | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | sp3001, has the light conge off now? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | gone | 01:21 |
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| sp3001 | dammit, now you made it blink again | 01:22 |
| lcuk | sorry | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | o_O lol | 01:22 |
| pupnik | blink | 01:22 |
| zacky | f*. I want my phone allready.. | 01:23 |
| pupnik | i was just on n810 and tried to switch to n900 in tasklist | 01:23 |
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| pupnik | ovi live not working here - maybe overloaded | 01:24 |
| pupnik | n900 ad-hoc wlan streaming webcam could be a nice applet | 01:26 |
| pupnik | some thing that lets you share your bideo without a central server | 01:26 |
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| pupnik | feature idea: fast switching between 10 running apps with shift-fn + number | 01:32 |
| Dantonic | Hey if I'm partitioning to boot from internal SD, are there any drawbacks to creating a boot partition and swap partition on the same internal card? | 01:32 |
| Dantonic | should the swap be on the external SD? | 01:32 |
| Dantonic | this on N800 btw | 01:33 |
| jjmarin | jjmarin: I'm using the SDK. How can I close 'af-sb-init.sh start' nicely. If I close with ctrl C I can't start it again, I get several messages of error http://pastebin.com/d523c5817 | 01:33 |
| dmj726 | af-sb-init.sh stop | 01:33 |
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| jjmarin | dmj726: yes, thanks ;) | 01:36 |
| dmj726 | had the same problem yesterday :) | 01:36 |
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| pupnik | app idea - media transcoder to automatically transcode unplayable videos | 01:37 |
| pupnik | mencoder right on tablet | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, battery killer | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to use tablet-encode on a server. | 01:38 |
| pupnik | e.g. someone sends you a youtube flv .. metacrawler finds it and trandcode daemon pops up to ask user "transcode now"? | 01:38 |
| pupnik | we are mobile | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better to get flv playback working. | 01:39 |
| pupnik | true | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | the front facing cam is cute | 01:39 |
| jjmarin | I'm getting a lot of messages on the Xephyr window like wdgt_va_24h, wdgt_va_date_long, wdgt_va_24_time, wdgt_bd_done, wdgtbdsave, etc . How can I fix this ? | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | really cool lookin bnoise in dark rooms! like a movie effect | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | jjmarin, is it impacting functionality? | 01:40 |
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| pupnik | the daily history in maemo5 browser is very useful! | 01:44 |
| pupnik | fast to get-to. well done! | 01:44 |
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| Dantonic | hey GeneralAntilles can I ask you a partitioning question? | 01:56 |
| Dantonic | Does the location of the swap partition matter in regards to speed? for example would placing the swap at the beginning of an SD card be faster than at the end? I guess I don't know how memory is accessed in an SD card | 01:57 |
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| `0660_ | to my understanding the swap partition is already in a high speed flash | 01:57 |
| `0660_ | also the location does not matter with flash | 01:58 |
| Dantonic | well I'm about to create the swap... | 01:58 |
| Dantonic | but yeah your second statement is what I was interested in... | 01:58 |
| Dantonic | so how is memory accessed in SD? | 01:58 |
| till- | you don't need to position a read/write head | 01:59 |
| till- | so the position does not matter | 01:59 |
| `0660_ | around 128KB at the time i think | 01:59 |
| `0660_ | actually no | 01:59 |
| Dantonic | I mean physically you're saying there is no difference in time to access the 1st byte on the card as the last byte? | 02:00 |
| `0660_ | that's correct | 02:00 |
| `0660_ | there are no moving parts in flash | 02:00 |
| till- | maybe a very little difference, as the electric energy travels with lightspeed and the distance to one end of the memory might be a little bit longer .. | 02:01 |
| dmj726 | Anyone do icons here? | 02:01 |
| Dantonic | right I understand that but doesnt the electricity still have to travel physically from one byte located phisically somewhere on the card, or another byte located somewhere else?? Or probably that's not a bottleneck in regafds to accessing it? | 02:01 |
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| `0660_ | but that delay would be hidden by the controller anyway | 02:01 |
| Dantonic | ok so the controller is the bottleneck basically | 02:02 |
| Dantonic | so it doesnt matter | 02:02 |
| till- | and the memory itself i would say | 02:02 |
| Dantonic | right | 02:02 |
| `0660_ | i think the controller waits a fixed period of time for the data to arrive | 02:02 |
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| Dantonic | do you guys have a NIT? boot from SD card? | 02:02 |
| till- | did once | 02:03 |
| till- | but the file system got corrupt, so i switched back | 02:03 |
| Dantonic | I guess tho definitely keep the swap on a separate SD card tho right? | 02:03 |
| Dantonic | so if I boot from internal, keep the swap on external? | 02:03 |
| Dantonic | otherwise it might get too slow? | 02:03 |
| till- | i don't think so | 02:04 |
| Dantonic | or it wouldnt affect anything? | 02:04 |
| Dantonic | I mean in that case the same controller would be having to deal with accessing memory for swap and for the OS? | 02:04 |
| till- | normal computers put the swap on the same hd as the files | 02:04 |
| Dantonic | but wouldnt it be better to have swap be accessed by a different controller that is ONLY accessing the swap at that time? | 02:05 |
| till- | and are there really two memory controllers, or just one with two card slots connected? | 02:05 |
| Dantonic | as opposed to having to compete for information? | 02:05 |
| till- | maybe | 02:05 |
| Dantonic | oh IDK about that | 02:05 |
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| Dantonic | idk if its 1 controller | 02:05 |
| Dantonic | or 2 | 02:05 |
| jjmarin | GeneralAntilles: What do you mean with "is it impacting functionality?". These messages appear on several menus across Maemo. | 02:05 |
| till- | someone should do some benchmarking | 02:05 |
| Dantonic | ya that'd be interesting... | 02:05 |
| till- | my problem with swap is that the whole nit freeze for some seconds | 02:06 |
| till- | and i guess it's because of swapping | 02:06 |
| Dantonic | well I'm gonna make a 500mb Fat, 1500mb linux, and make a swap on my external... and see what happens | 02:06 |
| Dantonic | freeze? | 02:06 |
| till- | yeah, no reaction | 02:07 |
| Dantonic | hmm yeah I've experienced that | 02:07 |
| till- | and then after maybe 30 seconds or so it continous normal work | 02:07 |
| Dantonic | oh woah not 30 second freezes | 02:07 |
| till- | or crashes the desktop | 02:07 |
| Dantonic | maybe few seconds | 02:07 |
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| Dantonic | not 30 | 02:07 |
| till- | and reset my customized menu and desktop | 02:07 |
| Dantonic | no that's not swapping | 02:08 |
| Dantonic | for me it was GPE summary | 02:08 |
| pupnik | xterm needs url log and launch! | 02:08 |
| Dantonic | I figured out it was crashing my desktop | 02:08 |
| Dantonic | do you use that prog? | 02:08 |
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| till- | i had claws mail, pidgin, xchat and some websites open :) | 02:08 |
| Dantonic | well since I got rid of GPE summary no more desktop crash... | 02:08 |
| till- | for me it was the home tools applett | 02:08 |
| Dantonic | then I found that there was an updated version of GPE summary in extras devel... and installed that... its been 3 days and no crash yet... we'll see how it goes | 02:09 |
| till- | since i removed it the desktop keep beeing stable | 02:09 |
| Dantonic | ah | 02:09 |
| till- | mostly | 02:09 |
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| Dantonic | yeah some applets have problems | 02:09 |
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| till- | does somebody know if the email-app on the n900 supports folders in imap? | 02:10 |
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| jjmarin | Anybody knows why I get this wdgt* messages: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/282805/Pantallazo.png | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | jjmarin, you're missing strings. | 02:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | nokia-binaries and nokia-apps installed? | 02:15 |
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| jjmarin | GeneralAntilles: Yes, I installed this afternoon with fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-appss nokia, but I can try it again | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure why some people are missing strings | 02:17 |
| kurtan | frals: lol | 02:17 |
| kurtan | i got a pm from klas.. | 02:17 |
| kurtan | he invited me to try the n900 on sunday D: | 02:17 |
| frals | nerf :< | 02:17 |
| kurtan | epic! | 02:17 |
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| frals | tell him to ship one my way so i can play some with mms ;P | 02:18 |
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| kurtan | ill take my d300 with me to take som pics | 02:18 |
| kurtan | :D | 02:18 |
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| kurtan | frals: hehe | 02:18 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, new or changed apps published since the system strings were updated | 02:18 |
| kurtan | wow.. im still in chock from getting that response from him | 02:19 |
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| jjmarin | the newest version of nokia-binaries and nokia-apps are installed. Which language work for you ? | 02:21 |
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| jjmarin | GeneralAntilles: English UK seems to work good for me | 02:24 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | so how long until the N900 will be cheapish | 02:57 |
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| simula | a truly portable computer for $550 seems pretty cheap to me :) | 02:59 |
| `0660_ | CutMeOwnThroat, around the time the next model will show up | 03:00 |
| `0660_ | probably... | 03:00 |
| kurtan | its cheap already, its more about availibility | 03:00 |
| kurtan | :p | 03:01 |
| kurtan | availability* | 03:01 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | simula, it's not a total replacement, you can't connect a monitor or beamer! | 03:02 |
| simula | cutmeownthroat... it has a video out | 03:02 |
| simula | a beamer? | 03:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it does? | 03:02 |
| b-man17 | yes | 03:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ha, missed that | 03:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but that's TV | 03:03 |
| kurtan | still.. its something out | 03:04 |
| kurtan | :P | 03:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | simula, err video projector | 03:04 |
| Proteous | just hack it to support video out via usb | 03:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | are there translators that'll go usb->dvi or usb->VGA | 03:05 |
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| simula | most video projectors have vga inputs | 03:06 |
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| Proteous | you can buy monitors tha connect via usb | 03:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | google just told me that | 03:06 |
| Proteous | also you can buy usb video cards | 03:06 |
| Proteous | I elieve there are linux drivers | 03:07 |
| lcuk | yeah but you would lose the speed | 03:08 |
| lcuk | you can buy a dongle for the video out to vga | 03:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm | 03:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so with bluetooth or usb keyboard and mouse you'd really be rather close to a desktop | 03:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, more notebook | 03:09 |
| lcuk | video out rocks btw | 03:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, don't have a TV | 03:09 |
| lcuk | nor do i | 03:10 |
| lcuk | it kicks ass for presenting from tho | 03:10 |
| lcuk | no need for a computer | 03:10 |
| simula | my monitor has vga input :) | 03:10 |
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| simula | but i'm just planning on using it's sweet 800x480 screen while toting it and just plugging it into my desktop when i need it's data | 03:12 |
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| zelrikriando | hello | 03:14 |
| kurtan | "think of it like shipping channels in the ocean" | 03:14 |
| lcuk | ive been mucking about with a projector that is small enough to fit into a bag and still be lighter than my laptop | 03:14 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ha... wait some more years and a projector and a laser keyboard will be integrated | 03:15 |
| * lcuk nods | 03:15 | |
| lcuk | cant wait | 03:15 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | you'll have to | 03:15 |
| lcuk | the alternative is proper real wireless video out | 03:15 |
| lcuk | being tethered to give a presentatation takes the fun out of it a tad | 03:15 |
| dmj726 | lcuk: that would be a killer app | 03:15 |
| lcuk | dmj726, which | 03:15 |
| lcuk | wireless video o | 03:15 |
| zelrikriando | what app | 03:16 |
| lcuk | r projector | 03:16 |
| dmj726 | wireless video out | 03:16 |
| lcuk | nahh | 03:16 |
| lcuk | thats not an app | 03:16 |
| lcuk | it would have uses | 03:16 |
| zelrikriando | That s a device | 03:16 |
| * lcuk is considering something along similar lines | 03:16 | |
| dmj726 | (which is a lot easier to do "in software" than a projector) | 03:16 |
| zelrikriando | not an app | 03:16 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | mm, a projector would need to be laser-based, else it'd eat up much too much energy, I guess | 03:16 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | even then... | 03:16 |
| lcuk | how would you keep the shark alive? | 03:16 |
| lcuk | it would need a little tank | 03:16 |
| dmj726 | oh, I see the kind of video out you're thinking | 03:16 |
| lcuk | no you dont | 03:17 |
| lcuk | :P | 03:17 |
| dmj726 | Do they even have wireless video standards like that? | 03:17 |
| zelrikriando | I am not sure but I think the app would be easy to write | 03:17 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but I do! | 03:17 |
| lcuk | dmj726, ive been getting wireless video for years ;) | 03:17 |
| lcuk | i actually have something cool in mind | 03:17 |
| dmj726 | Do mention! | 03:18 |
| lcuk | and if i can get it working for one thing it might cascade into many things | 03:18 |
| lcuk | this is the pseudo version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 03:18 |
| lcuk | i want that working for real but knowing where the devices are positioned relative to each other | 03:18 |
| lcuk | and i think if i can get it working for that one case, it might work for all of liqbase | 03:19 |
| dmj726 | hooray, n900 wall! | 03:19 |
| zelrikriando | lol what | 03:19 |
| lcuk | yeah dmj726 but if the ui crosses 4 screens | 03:19 |
| lcuk | and i just break one off to be a list | 03:19 |
| lcuk | and another to be tools | 03:19 |
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| lcuk | and another to be design view | 03:20 |
| zelrikriando | hey are there decent review of the n900 | 03:20 |
| lcuk | but thats been something ive pondered for a while | 03:20 |
| lcuk | ill get it right with one goal first to see how it can work | 03:20 |
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| dmj726 | Too bad I wouldn't be able to take advantage of it! | 03:21 |
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| lcuk | :) | 03:21 |
| lcuk | liqbase works nicely on n810 | 03:21 |
| dmj726 | (Only for lack of multiple nxxx's) | 03:21 |
| lcuk | heh its just the principle | 03:22 |
| lcuk | and those multiple devices were just a few friends coming together | 03:22 |
| dmj726 | And the principle has me excited | 03:22 |
| lcuk | to collaboarate and have fun | 03:22 |
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| dmj726 | I do know of one working n800 that a friend has | 03:22 |
| dmj726 | their other NIT has the horrid screen of death issue | 03:23 |
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| lcuk | ahhh the 770 Torch apP! | 03:23 |
| lcuk | app even! | 03:23 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but... the devices should have adjusted to changing position on the table with information from the GPS! | 03:25 |
| lcuk | gps? | 03:25 |
| lcuk | gps doesnt work indoors | 03:25 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I know | 03:26 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I was kidding | 03:26 |
| lcuk | this is a technical problem im discussing with folks | 03:26 |
| dmj726 | and it isn't *that* precise either! | 03:26 |
| lcuk | theres a few methods | 03:26 |
| lcuk | audio would be one | 03:26 |
| lcuk | have the devices chirp from each speaker in sequence | 03:26 |
| lcuk | and have the others listening | 03:26 |
| lcuk | then compare notes on the relative volumes of each other | 03:26 |
| lcuk | and work out location based on that | 03:27 |
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| simula | there is a radio transmitter and receiver ;) | 03:27 |
| lcuk | put up a 2dbarcode when the master machine says "cheese" | 03:27 |
| lcuk | radio is harder to get info reqd | 03:27 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | actually... I dunno if that could really work, but "together" at a relatively low frequency might work better than "in sequence" | 03:27 |
| lcuk | sequence is better | 03:27 |
| lcuk | and easier to manage | 03:27 |
| lcuk | and if done properly will sound like old school spectrum tapes (H) | 03:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | you'd get a typical interference pattern at the micro, depending on distance/orientation | 03:28 |
| lcuk | radio is mono | 03:28 |
| lcuk | using audio i can shout from 2 places | 03:28 |
| lcuk | easier to triangulate | 03:28 |
| lcuk | another alternative is 2dbarcode | 03:29 |
| lcuk | on the display | 03:29 |
| * lcuk just said that already | 03:29 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what's the radio transmitter for? | 03:30 |
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| lcuk | transmitting audio | 03:32 |
| lcuk | in car stuff without wires | 03:32 |
| lcuk | works really well | 03:32 |
| lcuk | could hack the planet | 03:32 |
| lcuk | host it in a wok and go for distance | 03:33 |
| dmj726 | in a wok? | 03:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that's a thing used for cooking | 03:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | like a big metal pan | 03:34 |
| dmj726 | yeah, but why host it in one? | 03:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | probably because it's kind of parabolically shaped... | 03:35 |
| dmj726 | Oh, right. | 03:35 |
| dmj726 | Could probably get rather good distance if you focus it tightly in one direction. | 03:35 |
| dmj726 | directional wifi gets about 1 km range | 03:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | more, I think | 03:36 |
| lcuk | http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/g.mckenzie/Radio%20Dish/Radio%20aerial.htm | 03:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I read the story of a guy who used 2 satellite dishes to connect to a... "neighbor", because his region of the city didn't have DSL, but some people a couple of km off did... | 03:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | actually he just went to houses in the direct line of sight and knocked... offering to pay for a DSL connection if they'd forward it to him (which was cheaper than all "normal" alternatives available at his house) | 03:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | lcuk, I bought a used satellite dish for a couple of dollar because I wanted to see how far I can connect to things | 03:42 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | only... lease doesn't allow to mount stuff outside the apartment and there's nothing much inviting to mount it on anyway | 03:43 |
| dmj726 | balcony furniture? | 03:44 |
| lcuk | neighbours wall? | 03:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | there is none | 03:45 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | I'm on the 7th floor on a corner more or less facing the next crossroad, as all direct neighbors are only at ground-floor level | 03:45 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | I'm underneath the roof, but... it's a bit weird for access | 03:47 |
| lcuk | CutMeOwnThroat, im having trouble visualizing the layout, what happened to the neighbours on 2,3,4,5,6 floors? do you live in a floating tower? | 03:47 |
| lcuk | arrive by helicopter? | 03:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yes... no, by a flying horse | 03:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | :-P | 03:48 |
| lcuk | :D lol | 03:48 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, my neighbor the princess wouldn't like it | 03:48 |
| lcuk | surely she lives in a tower herself and would welcome the prospect of a prince offering to share his wifi with her | 03:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, but I'm just a humble woodcutter... | 03:50 |
| lcuk | balls | 03:51 |
| lcuk | i just let the cat in cos he was out and its raining | 03:51 |
| lcuk | and just came all the way back up | 03:51 |
| lcuk | and didnt realise both of em were out and i left one ther | 03:51 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | and all that just so they can run over keyboards... | 03:56 |
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| lcuk | heh | 03:57 |
| lcuk | the kitten likes sleeping on the laptop | 03:57 |
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| dmj726 | by laptop, you of course mean heated cat bed, right? | 04:12 |
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| kurtan | http://myn900.wordpress.com/2009/11/14/opt/ | 04:14 |
| dmj726 | ! | 04:14 |
| kurtan | thats enough for me to crave the n900 even more | 04:15 |
| kurtan | gaaaaaah | 04:15 |
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| dmj726 | http://myn900.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/irc-using-xchat/ xchat shouldn't have that massive scrollbar | 04:16 |
| kurtan | no | 04:16 |
| kurtan | irssi thou.. <3 | 04:17 |
| dmj726 | pannable area would make a lot of sense there. | 04:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | dmj726, it doesn't. | 04:19 |
| dmj726 | not in xchat? | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | dmj726, feel free to implement panable. ;) | 04:19 |
| dmj726 | instead of the scroll thing? | 04:19 |
| dmj726 | a right xchat, not gchat | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4053628588/ | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | XChat has a custom widget for the chat area. | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | So changing that to pannable is non-trivial. | 04:20 |
| kurtan | :) | 04:20 |
| dmj726 | oh...that's much better | 04:20 |
| dmj726 | might be nice to be able to bring up a list of channel participants | 04:21 |
| dmj726 | ...perhaps as a popup? | 04:21 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | kurtan, there still doesn't seem to be a key for '|', though | 04:23 |
| kurtan | :/ | 04:23 |
| kurtan | gotta be accessible trou the sym-key? | 04:24 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | on the N810 I could just put a button on the screen next to Tab etc. | 04:24 |
| kurtan | mkay | 04:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | was a pain until I figured that out... what's a terminal without pipe? | 04:24 |
| kurtan | indubitably | 04:24 |
| dmj726 | Windows? | 04:25 |
| kurtan | ill try to figure that out on sunday | 04:25 |
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| kalikianatoli | and xchat still hasn't fixed the close icon :-] | 04:25 |
| kurtan | but.. irssi, weechat > xchat :P | 04:26 |
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| kalikianatoli | well, since xchat has no menu, the only difference is that it has buttons to switch tabs | 04:26 |
| kurtan | oh god, i want my n900 so :( | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, just rebind something. | 04:27 |
| kurtan | :L) | 04:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, there's even free spaces on the keys with <>... but the on-screen button worked well enough so I didn't bother to figure out how to get it on a key | 04:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | dmj726, got me | 04:28 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no, actually it's not... but probably near as bad to use :) | 04:29 |
| kurtan | debian on a mobile device.. its so epic i cant even.. well, gaaaah | 04:30 |
| microlith | kurtan: you and thousands of others | 04:30 |
| kurtan | indeed | 04:31 |
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| kurtan | its like something from star trek | 04:33 |
| kurtan | :P | 04:33 |
| dmj726 | there's a theme for that! | 04:33 |
| kurtan | :D | 04:33 |
| CShadowRun | Does maemo use X11? | 04:34 |
| dmj726 | yes | 04:35 |
| CShadowRun | thought it did...someone is wrong on the internet! | 04:35 |
| dmj726 | there's an xkcd for that | 04:35 |
| kurtan | :D | 04:35 |
| CShadowRun | i know. :D | 04:35 |
| kurtan | epic | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | CShadowRun, particularly where Maemo is concerned, that's usually the case. | 04:35 |
| dmj726 | digital compass conspiracy I say! | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | CShadowRun, Maemo is basically the GNOME mobile stack. | 04:36 |
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| CShadowRun | Yea i figured it was | 04:37 |
| * CShadowRun corrected the guy who was wrong on the internet. | 04:37 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | CShadowRun, personally, I can't read any discussions about Maemo 'cause of all the people that insist on being wrong. | 04:38 |
| CShadowRun | haha | 04:38 |
| kurtan | hehe | 04:38 |
| CShadowRun | I can't wait to get my hands on the N900 personally, gonna install irssi on it ;) | 04:38 |
| dmj726 | Have you heard the rumor that the n900 has a laser projector? | 04:38 |
| dmj726 | and tha Nokia just wants it to be a surprise? | 04:39 |
| CShadowRun | Nope, but i bet i know where that stemmed from | 04:39 |
| CShadowRun | haha | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | CShadowRun, install screen instead. ;) | 04:39 |
| kurtan | indeed | 04:39 |
| CShadowRun | I bet that somehow originated from 3M's mini projector | 04:39 |
| dmj726 | um...no, I just pulled it out of thin air, either that or darker places. | 04:40 |
| CShadowRun | I've always wanted to install ubuntu and compiz on the N900 too | 04:40 |
| Termana | Anyone else excited that they are suppose to be finally releasing the GLES driver for OMAP2 today? | 04:40 |
| CShadowRun | i know it wouldn't be particularly practical, but it would be awesome. | 04:40 |
| kurtan | thou i'd like a phaser-function | 04:40 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | kurtan, yeah, I wonder if they'll drop maemo and just supply some extra-apps to a regular debian... I mean... 32GB - that really doesn't justify scraping all manpages and all the things that are done in maemo to save space... | 04:40 |
| kurtan | blast my enemies away | 04:40 |
| CShadowRun | haha | 04:41 |
| dmj726 | it's not a straight up 32 GB | 04:41 |
| kurtan | haha, compiz on the n900 is a bit far fetched :P | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Termana, according to whom? | 04:41 |
| dmj726 | the root partition is like 256 MB | 04:41 |
| kurtan | epic thou | 04:41 |
| dmj726 | didn't they get compiz on the n800? | 04:41 |
| Firebird | Termana, really, yes, according to whom? | 04:41 |
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| Termana | GeneralAntilles: SD69 | 04:41 |
| kurtan | CShadowRun: :D | 04:41 |
| dmj726 | with ubuntu 9.04? | 04:41 |
| Termana | Firebird: SD69 posted it in the thread | 04:41 |
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| CShadowRun | well, it does have an opengl capable graphics card on it | 04:42 |
| CShadowRun | and i assume all those funky effects that are running are composited | 04:42 |
| CShadowRun | so...in theory | 04:42 |
| kurtan | ^^ | 04:42 |
| Firebird | Termana, "the thread" ? | 04:42 |
| Termana | Firebird - lol, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=21697 | 04:43 |
| Firebird | ah, nice | 04:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | CShadowRun, it's part of the SoC, not a separate GPU. | 04:43 |
| CShadowRun | true | 04:44 |
| Firebird | "Timeline: 2-4 months(?) " :o | 04:44 |
| Termana | Firebird - wheres it say that? | 04:44 |
| Firebird | Termana, diablo community project wiki page | 04:44 |
| Termana | Yeah, thats for the community edition of Diablo, it has nothing to do with the release of the GLES drivers. | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, that's for Diablo community SSUs. | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | SD69, sounds more like he's saying that work is starting. | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 04:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Termana, | 04:45 |
| Termana | lol :P | 04:46 |
| kurtan | i have to say, it really seems like nokia has something going here, they really got the "developers, developers, developers"-thingy | 04:46 |
| Termana | But at the start of his post he specifically says "TI will be releasing the drivers today" | 04:46 |
| kurtan | n900 and meamo will attract loaaads of them | 04:46 |
| Termana | kurtan - yeah, just without the whole Steve Ballmer crazyness thing | 04:46 |
| kurtan | indeed | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Termana, they "confirmed today" | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not that it's happening today. | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Termana, I was under the impression that they'd already confirmed that. | 04:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | At the Summit. | 04:47 |
| dmj726 | Nokia got me to pick up Python | 04:47 |
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| Termana | GeneralAntilles: Touche. You could be right, hes worded it very sneakily :P | 04:47 |
| kurtan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE | 04:48 |
| kurtan | ^^ | 04:48 |
| Termana | kurtan - oh no :| | 04:49 |
| kurtan | the end of the universe is steve ballmer in a sweaty shirt | 04:49 |
| kurtan | one just has to realise it :P | 04:49 |
| kurtan | garrgh | 04:49 |
| dmj726 | panting Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers... | 04:49 |
| Termana | kurtan - Just wait. Soon someone from Nokia will also say "I LOVE THIS COMPANY" | 04:50 |
| Termana | When you hear that, you know the four horses are on their way. | 04:50 |
| kurtan | :D | 04:51 |
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| kurtan | i prefer the white horse | 04:51 |
| kurtan | cash <3 | 04:51 |
| Termana | isn't that white horse suppose to represent evil? | 04:51 |
| Termana | and/or righteous? | 04:52 |
| kurtan | yea | 04:52 |
| dmj726 | I thought it meant Gandalf is coming? | 04:52 |
| kurtan | mysik: Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around <04:26> | 04:52 |
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| aep | i wonder if we will finally see sophisticated linux viruses now that consumer devices are going to run a real linux | 04:56 |
| aep | maemo doesnt run forced security updates, does it? or at least some sort of super annoying popup that wull remind the user to do security updates | 04:58 |
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| zerojay | aep: No... just the way Linux works keeps that from generally happening anyways. | 05:00 |
| zelrikriando | I think it might increase still | 05:00 |
| zelrikriando | at least by a bit | 05:00 |
| dmj726 | I've seen Linux viruses. The developer kindly pointed me to the paper he wrote about it on his website. | 05:01 |
| zerojay | You'll see scripts attempt to root boxes, but not virii. | 05:01 |
| aep | zerojay: the way linux usually works is that people too fast and to diverse for any virus to spread properly | 05:01 |
| aep | *update | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, zerojay. | 05:02 |
| dmj726 | that and repositories make it harder to infect via warez | 05:02 |
| zerojay | aep: How are you going to infect a computer when you have no access to root? Simple, you don't. | 05:02 |
| aep | now with phones i'm not sure | 05:02 |
| zelrikriando | PPA's and stuff can make it happen though | 05:02 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Hey. | 05:02 |
| aep | zerojay: bugs. (ssh for example) | 05:02 |
| zerojay | And that's not a virus. | 05:03 |
| aep | well or worm. whatever you call it | 05:03 |
| aep | sorry for not using the technical correct word "malicious software" | 05:03 |
| dmj726 | Linux can get infected but it is technically harder to spread the infection. | 05:03 |
| aep | dmj726: thats what i am worried about. is it really if there are thousands of devices now with the exact same software? | 05:04 |
| zerojay | Talk to all the people with tivos out there. | 05:04 |
| dmj726 | Won't there be security updates though? | 05:04 |
| zelrikriando | it's pretty hard to root a phone | 05:04 |
| dmj726 | not an n900 | 05:04 |
| aep | dmj726: if they are optional you can be pretty sue 90% of users dont do them | 05:04 |
| dmj726 | The iphone has a virus | 05:05 |
| zelrikriando | yup | 05:05 |
| aep | well its still hard i guess. yeah. not sure if its even worth for virus vendors. not sure what their intentions are | 05:05 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | dmj726, shouldn't that be a worm, if it's in something from apple? :) | 05:05 |
| dmj726 | hehe | 05:05 |
| dmj726 | Only affects jailbreakers who don't set a password though. | 05:06 |
| aep | well thats operator error :P | 05:06 |
| dmj726 | There are n900 virii already | 05:06 |
| zelrikriando | most viruses are developed by microsoft | 05:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | there are? | 05:07 |
| dmj726 | Getting one would present a challenge though. | 05:07 |
| kurtan | iiiim baack | 05:07 |
| kurtan | :D | 05:07 |
| zelrikriando | CutMeOwnThroat: I am making shit up | 05:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | get orf our back | 05:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | zelrikriando, I meant the dmj726 | 05:07 |
| dmj726 | Yeah, just find a debian virus and try it...a considerable feat in itself. | 05:07 |
| kurtan | dmj726: indeed | 05:08 |
| aep | dmj726: obviously its trivial to brick your phone by downloading and executing random crap as root | 05:08 |
| aep | my real concern was related to real worms though :P | 05:08 |
| dmj726 | Yeah. | 05:08 |
| Termana | aep - its even easier than that to brick a phone | 05:08 |
| kurtan | i'd say thats pretty awesome if you manage to do that | 05:08 |
| kurtan | :P | 05:08 |
| dmj726 | Tell people to stick to the repos? | 05:09 |
| Termana | aep - all you do is simply, firstly grab a brick and then THROW that brick at the phone. You have sucessfully bricked your phone. | 05:09 |
| dmj726 | If you manage to get a Linux virus these days, you pretty much deserve what you get. | 05:09 |
| aep | :D | 05:09 |
| b-man17 | qwerty12_N810: do you still have the config.mtd file from your N800 by any chance? | 05:09 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | dmj726, how many "debian viruses" are there? | 05:09 |
| _r00t- | !!!!!!!!! | 05:09 |
| Termana | aep - Probably literally bricked it as well, since I doubt it would work after that | 05:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I mean there's rootkits and things | 05:10 |
| aep | infinite if you count bogus ones that you have to install yourself. | 05:10 |
| aep | theres a billion blog bosts with "OMG LINUX VIRUZZ" | 05:10 |
| dmj726 | Step 1: Find instructions to write your own virus. | 05:10 |
| dmj726 | Step 2: Write the virus. | 05:10 |
| dmj726 | Step 3: Exectute the virus. | 05:10 |
| dmj726 | You have successfully been infected by a linux virus. | 05:10 |
| aep | lame | 05:10 |
| kurtan | :D | 05:11 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and there was that infamous un*x worm which forced a shutdown of the internet | 05:11 |
| kurtan | thats the proper way to do it | 05:11 |
| Termana | I wonder weather they have patched Maemo 5 up so that you can't execute rm -rf / - like Ubuntu has done | 05:11 |
| zelrikriando | There is software to find vulnerabilities on any platform now | 05:11 |
| Termana | sudo rm -rf / rather | 05:11 |
| zelrikriando | If you find a vulnerability, you write a virus which exploits it | 05:12 |
| zelrikriando | then you re done | 05:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | dmj726, my theory for the lack of linux viruses is, that all the people who would write one learn rather quickly, that they get much more appreciation and positive feedback, if they indeed use their skills in one open-source project or other... | 05:12 |
| kurtan | CutMeOwnThroat: i have downloaded internetz to my 5.25" floppy | 05:12 |
| kurtan | im epic | 05:12 |
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| aep | oh that reminds me of something i wanted to ask anyway: can you install a different distro on the n900? | 05:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | kurtan, impossible, the woman in Utah deleted it! | 05:12 |
| kurtan | :'( | 05:12 |
| Termana | kurtan - I have the internetz on a little finger long stick | 05:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | aep, why shouldn't you? | 05:12 |
| aep | preferable with hildon gui... | 05:13 |
| kurtan | intertubez | 05:13 |
| dmj726 | Does mer work yet? | 05:13 |
| Termana | kurtan - minding the fact its a 3G mobile broadband dongle | 05:13 |
| aep | CutMeOwnThroat: because theres some propriatary stuff | 05:13 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | aep, you might not be able to get all hardware to work, though... | 05:13 |
| kurtan | :) | 05:13 |
| aep | yeah that was my concern :( | 05:13 |
| dmj726 | Previous NITs have | 05:13 |
| dmj726 | Ubuntu ARM might not let you make calls | 05:13 |
| Termana | dmj726: Yes mer "works". They are still saying its "not ready" yet. But I would wait for .17 anyway, when the new interfaces and Maemo 5 stuff is coming | 05:13 |
| dmj726 | I'm probably not going to bother with Mer for a while. | 05:14 |
| aep | i wonder if i could build a shell only phone. heh. propably worth nothing, but nice for the "ITS HACKABLE" feeling | 05:14 |
| kurtan | haha | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | aep: my N810 is mostly shell only | 05:15 |
| kurtan | until then, n900 is the shiat | 05:15 |
| Termana | dmj726: If the TI drivers get released the Nokia N8*0s will get the N900 interface, otherwise they will get a qtablet interface. | 05:15 |
| Termana | dmj726: From mer that is | 05:15 |
| dmj726 | I'm not especially concerned about the OMG closed drivers thing...unless the closed drivers don't work, in which case I hate on them for not letting me fix it. | 05:15 |
| Termana | For* | 05:15 |
| aep | luke-jr: well that doesnt have phone functions. the trick would be to call people from the shell :D | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | dmj726: the N810 closed blobs don't work well | 05:15 |
| dmj726 | In that case, the TI drivers really should be released | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | aep: I plan to do just that when/if I ever find a decent Linux-capable phone | 05:16 |
| aep | i think there is even software to do it. i just wonder how the hardware drivers are coupled to the system | 05:16 |
| aep | luke-jr: well the n900 isnt? :( | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | aep: no, N900 is GSM | 05:16 |
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| luke-jr | GSM service is a ripoff | 05:16 |
| aep | D: | 05:16 |
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| zelrikriando | meaning what? | 05:16 |
| Termana | luke-jr: Is GSM not open enough for you? | 05:17 |
| zelrikriando | no 3G? | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | Termana: GSM is just a ripoff :p | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | meaning $50+/mo just for 5 GB cap | 05:17 |
| zelrikriando | oh | 05:17 |
| aep | oh thats what you mean | 05:17 |
| zelrikriando | sounds like what I have | 05:17 |
| zelrikriando | :D | 05:17 |
| aep | but thats not the phones fault | 05:18 |
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| aep | besides it should be capable of voip. is it? | 05:18 |
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| luke-jr | aep: well, it *could* support that other SIM thing | 05:18 |
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| zelrikriando | 5Go is a lot though | 05:18 |
| zelrikriando | for a phone at least | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | 5 GB is nothing | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | certainly makes VoIP impossible | 05:18 |
| aep | thats not a phone :( | 05:18 |
| aep | yeah | 05:18 |
| zelrikriando | I am not sure I even use 1Go | 05:18 |
| luke-jr | aep: hm? | 05:18 |
| zelrikriando | oh | 05:19 |
| zelrikriando | ok | 05:19 |
| aep | well he said 5gb is nothing for a phone | 05:19 |
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| aep | for a "phone" that has a tiny wap browser maybe | 05:19 |
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| aep | i want to stream live music all day damit! :D | 05:19 |
| zelrikriando | lol | 05:19 |
| zelrikriando | oh yeah | 05:20 |
| zelrikriando | that might do it | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | aep: if N900 supported iDEN...? :p | 05:20 |
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| Termana | I am on 3G constantly. I pay $60 Australian Dollars for 8GB a month. I've never got up to it. But I don't download heaps of movies and stuff. | 05:20 |
| aep | anyway, back to the maemo drivers. are they real linux drivers? do i get an interface to use as modem? | 05:20 |
| Termana | aep - I don't think anyone knows yet | 05:20 |
| aep | whut, but you all have the n900 | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | Termana: Boost Mobile has unlimited for $1/day | 05:21 |
| aep | well lots | 05:21 |
| zelrikriando | I am stupid | 05:21 |
| Termana | aep - sorry I thought you were talking about something else :P | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | but Boost Mobile is iDEN, so their SIM cards won't work in N900 :( | 05:21 |
| zelrikriando | I should have waited more before getting my new phone | 05:21 |
| Termana | luke-jr: Boost Mobile in Australia? | 05:21 |
| aep | zelrikriando: you didnt get a n900? D: | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | Termana: Boost Mobile in USA at least | 05:22 |
| zelrikriando | aep: no | 05:22 |
| zelrikriando | aep: I didnt know it existed at the time | 05:22 |
| aep | sad | 05:22 |
| zelrikriando | aep: actually it didnt exist officially at the time even | 05:22 |
| Termana | luke-jr: Ahh, that would be why. We've never had any sort of unlimited consumer plans for ANY internet connection. | 05:22 |
| aep | i've been lurking and waiting for a linux phone the last 5 years | 05:22 |
| kurtan | 4:22:44am | 05:22 |
| Termana | zelrikriando: What did you get? An Android phone? | 05:23 |
| kurtan | i guess that means "attack the bed" time | 05:23 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: it's very slow, I think | 05:26 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: but I can have my Asterisk box route via POTS/cell ;) | 05:27 |
| Termana | luke-jr: Slower than GPRS? When I'm on my Nokia N810 I have my 3G broadband SIM in a 2G phone and bluetooth it to my N810 - so its GPRS speeds. | 05:28 |
| luke-jr | Termana: I think about 128kbps? | 05:28 |
| zelrikriando | Termana: yup | 05:28 |
| zelrikriando | Termana: I am a quite disapointed, it's quite unresponsive...maybe it's because I am installing custom roms I am not sure | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | zelrikriando, why an Android phone and not an N900? | 05:29 |
| Termana | luke-jr: 128kbps is faster than GPRS. GPRS is only dial up speed, its like average 30kbps | 05:30 |
| zelrikriando | GeneralAntilles: Back in the day, android was the only viable 'open' mobile platform | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | I think I'm wrong :p | 05:30 |
| zelrikriando | the n900 was anounced maybe 2 or 3 months after I got my phone | 05:31 |
| Termana | zelrikriando: What type of Android phone did you get? | 05:31 |
| zelrikriando | Termana: the HTC Magic | 05:31 |
| zelrikriando | I tried a few custom roms on it though | 05:31 |
| Termana | Doesn't look too bad | 05:32 |
| Termana | I hate to say it though, but are any of these android phones or the n900/future maemo phones ever really going to take market share back from apple? | 05:32 |
| zelrikriando | Yeah it's ok | 05:32 |
| Termana | marketshare* | 05:33 |
| zelrikriando | I think Apple is there to stay for a while | 05:33 |
| zelrikriando | but their market share will saturate | 05:33 |
| zelrikriando | not everybody likes them | 05:33 |
| Termana | I hate their coolness factor. Theres just so much cool around them, you almost feel disappointed having a linux phone/mobile internet device | 05:34 |
| zelrikriando | One thing they do get right | 05:35 |
| zelrikriando | is responsiveness | 05:35 |
| zelrikriando | that thing feels like it anticipates your actions | 05:35 |
| aep | wow is the accelerometer really that acurate that you can play games with it? | 05:35 |
| aep | the quake3 demo is impressive | 05:35 |
| zelrikriando | I played games with that | 05:36 |
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| Termana | aep - i thought that would of been a major reason to chuck in an accelerometer | 05:36 |
| zelrikriando | it's like a Wii-mote | 05:36 |
| aep | i never tryed a weemote | 05:36 |
| aep | but if this actually works, it would make up for the lack of a d pad | 05:36 |
| zelrikriando | aep: it really does | 05:37 |
| aep | nice stuff going on. | 05:37 |
| zelrikriando | and most android devices have a trackball | 05:37 |
| * aep eyes his old dusty nokia e series | 05:37 | |
| zelrikriando | which can be potentially uses in games | 05:37 |
| aep | oh yeah well android... | 05:37 |
| zelrikriando | The iphone has like 1 bouton | 05:38 |
| aep | i'm not so into technology unless i can hack it | 05:38 |
| zelrikriando | android is quite hackable :p | 05:38 |
| aep | is it? | 05:38 |
| Termana | I'm worried Maemo will be left in the dust for the popularity of Android | 05:39 |
| zelrikriando | aep: my phone is rooted, and the kernel changed | 05:39 |
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| aep | Termana: i wouldnt be | 05:39 |
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| aep | nokia still has enough market power to win over google here | 05:39 |
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| zelrikriando | Termana: maemo seems better than android though | 05:39 |
| aep | the n900 is even hyped in consumer groups | 05:40 |
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| aep | also because of maemo, yeah | 05:40 |
| aep | people dont know what to do with android | 05:40 |
| zelrikriando | Even the new Droid | 05:40 |
| aep | the iphone has a gay^D^D^D i mean fashion factor | 05:40 |
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| zelrikriando | is pretty disapointing | 05:40 |
| aep | android can deliver a billion java apps. it won't make it more marketable. maemo has taken up some serious sell points fro both consumer and geek | 05:41 |
| aep | which is imo key to sell any technology | 05:42 |
| zelrikriando | If any manufacturer can do something good with it, it s HTC | 05:42 |
| aep | HTC should stay windows mobile imo. its a good market for them | 05:42 |
| zelrikriando | aep: Android is not Java only | 05:42 |
| luke-jr | zelrikriando: since when? | 05:42 |
| zelrikriando | luke-jr: since it s C++ too | 05:42 |
| aep | yeah i know, but they're all hyped about the fact thats its so java optimized | 05:42 |
| luke-jr | aep: HTC should port Linux to one of their good phones | 05:43 |
| aep | which is totally useless, as it covers only a limited portion of geeks | 05:43 |
| aep | luke-jr: or that, but thats a drastical change | 05:43 |
| aep | and if any linux, they're going to do a cripled one like android | 05:43 |
| luke-jr | I don't care, as long as Linux is ported | 05:43 |
| aep | hehe | 05:43 |
| luke-jr | just un-patch Android and use it w/ Gentoo... | 05:44 |
| aep | it should in fact run. the hardware is not that new | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | aep: by good phone, I mean Touch Pro 2 | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | which is pretty new | 05:44 |
| aep | oh. dont know that one | 05:44 |
| zelrikriando | Android is pretty far away from the spirit of Linux though | 05:44 |
| zelrikriando | Google really changed stuff | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | zelrikriando: Android is at least partly in mainline now :/ | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | under staging | 05:44 |
| aep | well if it runs the kernel, you can likely hack it to run a gnu/linux distro which is good | 05:45 |
| aep | but i'd be to lazy | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | aep: I want to run KDE 4.3 | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | with a shell script to use the phone | 05:45 |
| aep | well to each their own | 05:46 |
| aep | n900 should be able to do that | 05:46 |
| zelrikriando | I dont like KDE | 05:46 |
| luke-jr | aep: N900 is too closed for me :p | 05:46 |
| luke-jr | and again, GSM | 05:46 |
| aep | hm i wonder if it can run xmonad :D | 05:46 |
| aep | whats closed on it? i dont have it yet | 05:47 |
| zelrikriando | one thing though with Android, is google sync | 05:47 |
| zelrikriando | if you dont have a google account | 05:47 |
| zelrikriando | the phone wont do shit | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | aep: battery charger, phone stack, 3D, etc | 05:47 |
| aep | 3d is opengl es. what more open do you need? | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | aep: it's a blob | 05:47 |
| aep | and who cares about the gdm driver as long as you get a real model device | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | ... | 05:48 |
| aep | well i don't at least | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | aep: the entire point of GNU/Linux is a free OS | 05:48 |
| aep | i'm not a gnuist. | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | might as well run WinCE then | 05:48 |
| aep | nope | 05:48 |
| aep | a little open wins over closed | 05:48 |
| Termana | luke-jr: Have you ever considered contacting RMS and asking to be his side-kick. Fighting closed source crime. | 05:49 |
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| luke-jr | I don't especially like RMS. | 05:49 |
| aep | i run closed source nvidia drivers on desktop happily. i'd buy amd if it was open, but since it's not, i'm ok with something that works | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | aep: AMD/ATi *is* open | 05:49 |
| aep | since when? :D | 05:49 |
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| luke-jr | aep: years and years ago | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | maybe even a decade | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | though for a while there it was only their oldest cards | 05:50 |
| aep | well i only checked for the high end cards and you needed a very bad closed source driver a year ago | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | sure, they have a blob that supports their Digital Restrictions Management, but just 3D accel works fine w/ open drivers | 05:50 |
| aep | on the other hand the nvidia driver was closed too but at least works fine | 05:51 |
| aep | hm does that mean ati stopped sucking? | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | a year ago the newest stuff was probably beta | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | aep: personally, the Radeon 9200 worked just fine until the new stuff was usable | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | I'm sure probably better than the N900's GLES | 05:52 |
| aep | and its open ? nice | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | 9200 has been open since at least before X.org | 05:53 |
| aep | i dont know which is which. havent looked into ati for over a year | 05:53 |
| aep | i care about games, and the open source drivers i know have inferiour to no 3d accel | 05:54 |
| zelrikriando | I am not even sure anybody I know use ati | 05:54 |
| aep | well, had | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | 9200 would be OpenGL 1.4 generation | 05:54 |
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| luke-jr | On September 12, 2007, AMD released documentation for the RV630 (Radeon HD 2600 PRO and Radeon HD 2600 XT) and M56 (Radeon Mobility X1600) chips for open source driver development, for its strategic open source driver development initiative | 05:55 |
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| pupnik | does flash have access to webcam on n900? | 06:09 |
| pupnik | http://highlightcam.com/ trying this | 06:09 |
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| pupnik | dont look like it.. another big hole | 06:11 |
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| pupnik | client=ms-nokia-maemo | 08:09 |
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| pupnik | way cool | 08:27 |
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| BluesLee | is it possible to tv out the content of a vnc viewer session (n900 to pc via wifi) on a n900 to the tv? | 10:29 |
| BluesLee | or do i get a black window? | 10:30 |
| microlith | sure | 10:31 |
| dmj7261 | I don't have a device, but my understanding is that it outputs exactly the same thing to both screens | 10:31 |
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| BluesLee | if its fast this a good option for me to tv out pc content to my tv otherwise i would need at least a 10m cable | 10:35 |
| dmj7261 | yeah, although keep in mind that you only get 480 line output. | 10:35 |
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| BluesLee | thats correct | 10:37 |
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| dmj7261 | I was very impressed by the tv out ability | 10:38 |
| BluesLee | i also | 10:38 |
| dmj7261 | Actually there is a very limited number of things that haven't impressed me. | 10:38 |
| BluesLee | i thought of getting me the wii but now i will get me two controllers and use emulators | 10:39 |
| BluesLee | emulators for snes etc | 10:39 |
| BluesLee | that would be enough fun | 10:39 |
| dmj7261 | and you get a phone out of the deal! | 10:40 |
| BluesLee | i only worry about ovi maps and the battery life | 10:40 |
| BluesLee | the latter isnt a real problem as i dont want to be online all the time, i dont use 3g | 10:41 |
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| BluesLee | i thought of an app which downloads me automatically some content (news, emails) if i am at home, that would be enough | 10:42 |
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| dmj7261 | I worry about the lack of usb host mode, the scratchability of the screen, and a few other things. | 10:42 |
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| BluesLee | i thought usb host is possible | 10:42 |
| dmj7261 | Hmm...not sure of one. | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | so far no scratches and i treat my n900 mean | 10:42 |
| dmj7261 | It *may* be possible | 10:43 |
| BluesLee | dmj7261: use a screen protector | 10:43 |
| dmj7261 | It was a community hack on prior tablets, but nobody has done it yet. | 10:43 |
| BluesLee | dmj7261: i always use a protector (zaurus models, freerunner etc) and i am fine | 10:44 |
| BluesLee | dmj7261: the lack of usb host mode would be very bad | 10:44 |
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| BluesLee | dmj7261: if all the hackers out there didnt succeeded yet its a bad sign | 10:45 |
| dmj7261 | There is only a small fraction of the community with the device | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | no usb host on n900. afaik. | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | charging/usb specification issue | 10:46 |
| BluesLee | Stskeeps: yeah, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=367924 | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | people should look into sdio maybe though | 10:52 |
| microlith | Does the microSD slot spec even support it? | 10:53 |
| dmj7261 | Anyone here a clutter guru with respect to maemo? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | microlith: yes it does | 10:56 |
| microlith | that might be of some use then, if people are willing to punch holes in their battery covers | 10:57 |
| dmj7261 | perhaps have a custom cover made? | 10:57 |
| microlith | that's what dremel tools are for | 10:58 |
| BluesLee | do we have a gps app like tangogps or navit on the n900 yet? | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | BluesLee: there is some but wouldnt mind seeing tangogps | 11:06 |
| BluesLee | Stskeeps: with ovi maps routing is only possible for registered users? | 11:07 |
| BluesLee | Stskeeps: and for pedestrian ... | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | no registered users stuff in ovi maps | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | i dont like ovi maps personally | 11:08 |
| BluesLee | i want to use osm | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | same.. there is gpxview and emerillion too | 11:09 |
| BluesLee | i dont know them, routing included? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | i just want maemo mapper | 11:09 |
| BluesLee | porting navit to n900 shouldnt be a big problem | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | famous last words | 11:11 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 11:16 |
| lbt | o/ | 11:22 |
| Corsac | Disponibilité: | 11:24 |
| Corsac | Arrivage prévu Samedi 28 Novembre | 11:24 |
| Corsac | hihu | 11:24 |
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| Corsac | (expansys.fr) | 11:24 |
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| Termana | The Android room is a rather quite room on freenode :P | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | compared to maemo | 11:44 |
| Termana | Stskeeps - yep, especially compared to Maemo :P | 11:44 |
| thux | maybe google doesn't give devices like nokia? | 11:45 |
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| Termana | thux - What? How does that have anything to do with the popularity of the Maemo room vs the Android room? | 11:45 |
| cehteh | how many people are in #android? | 11:46 |
| thux | maybe people dev easily if got device? | 11:46 |
| Termana | cehteh - 508 | 11:46 |
| cehteh | seen :) | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | thux: #maemo was active even before devices were given out | 11:47 |
| thux | ok then i don't understand why | 11:47 |
| Termana | thux - There are Android devices out, so I don't understand what this "no device" thing is about | 11:48 |
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| cehteh | my first n900 part arrived already today :P | 11:48 |
| mikhas | maemo is simply cooler, that is why | 11:48 |
| * cehteh ordered a display protector foil | 11:48 | |
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| cehteh | still waiting for the device :P | 11:48 |
| thux | both are linux | 11:48 |
| Corsac | not really ;p | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | They are both linux. | 11:49 |
| mikhas | I dont like all linuxen, either. | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | They aren't both gnu/linux | 11:49 |
| cehteh | linux yes, gnu no | 11:49 |
| Termana | They both have a linux kernel | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Though you can just about have a non-gnu 'normal' linux system | 11:49 |
| cehteh | they are not even a 'normal' system | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, far from a normal linux. | 11:50 |
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| thux | if you do diff is there lot of dfferences? | 11:50 |
| cehteh | btw does andoid use an xserver or framebuffer? | 11:50 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: even the kernel is crippled | 11:50 |
| Termana | Personally, I favour having a normal linux system available rather than having to have apps run on top of a CHANGED java runtime | 11:51 |
| cehteh | thux: yes very much andoid is all in a crippled java vm | 11:51 |
| cehteh | its a complete different platform than any common linux system you know | 11:51 |
| cehteh | the only thing is that they needed some kernel and used linux for that | 11:51 |
| thux | but both run same devices? | 11:51 |
| cehteh | andoid programs are specially rigged java programs | 11:52 |
| cehteh | because of the linux kernel you can put an andoid platform on same or similar hardware like maemo | 11:52 |
| Termana | Anyone think maybe they just used Linux as a part-marketing scheme part-build-on-top-of-a-already-built-foundation-cause-we-can't-be-stuffed-to-make-something-new? | 11:53 |
| cehteh | but the platform becomes very different | 11:53 |
| thux | ok | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: no. | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: I think they utterly don't care about linux as linux. | 11:53 |
| cehteh | porting android programs to maemo would be a complete rewrite | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: The number of people that buy it becasue it's linux are - if the project goes right - statistically insignificant | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: well - no. | 11:54 |
| cehteh | well almost | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: It would be a android API emulator and JVM | 11:54 |
| cehteh | no such thing yet for maemo | 11:54 |
| Termana | Either way, Google are just taking Linux shiz and crippling it. First Android and now of course they want to release a linux OS that is JUST a browser. | 11:54 |
| mikhas | would programs written for android run in a normal JVM? | 11:54 |
| Termana | mikhas - doubtful | 11:54 |
| cehteh | is the android jvm free software? | 11:54 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: i rather wonder if one could run a android in parallel to maemo .. but i dont really care much | 11:55 |
| mikhas | Termana, for most people that might be enough, a browser-based OS. See what the game consoles come with, and appearently the consumers are happy. | 11:55 |
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| cehteh | mikhas: no the bytecode is different .. and the sourcecode depends on the android apis | 11:55 |
| Termana | You know Android isn't all free software either, IIRC, things like the built in Gmail app are closed etc. Not saying its an entirely bad thing, afterall Maemo has closed bits, but they are touting it at totally open | 11:56 |
| mikhas | thanks | 11:56 |
| cehteh | android is a platform on its own | 11:56 |
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| mikhas | different bytecode. scary | 11:56 |
| Termana | it as* | 11:56 |
| cehteh | well maemo has some closed blobs too to be fair | 11:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | The only more open phone (well - not quite - but practically) was the OpenMoko Freerunner. | 11:57 |
| Termana | cehteh - "Not saying its an entirely bad thing, afterall Maemoo has closed bits" I think you missed that part :P lol | 11:57 |
| Termana | Maemo* | 11:57 |
| cehteh | the firmware of the n900 camera and the dsp are binary blobs or? | 11:58 |
| Termana | Even with all of this stated, and my liking for Maemo more than Android, I think Android is going to be more popular than Maemo | 11:59 |
| cehteh | technically there is no reason for that, i would like to hack on the camera firmware | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | cehteh: not entirely sure about camera fw. dsp yes | 11:59 |
| cehteh | well maybe one can fry the flash leds when doing things wrong :P but iirc these are already exported | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | cehteh: look at kernel driver i guess | 11:59 |
| cehteh | Stskeeps: i am only guessing too, i dont have the device yet and didnt looked at the kernel sources | 11:59 |
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| dmj7261 | I would hope that the camera driver is open to improvement. | 12:05 |
| ohmy | hi | 12:05 |
| dmj7261 | hi | 12:06 |
| ohmy | Anyone know if exist any benchmark to measuer scheduling time for thread and process ? i mean the time spent but the kernel to switch between x threads and x process ? | 12:07 |
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| dmj7261 | By the way, with regard to Google and Android being rather closed and incompatible. I suspect that there are a significant number (can't say how many) of Google employees who *do* care about openness. However, Google is a slave to its business model. This is not a justification for the shortcomings of Android, but just a thought before people say that the people at Google don't care about openness. | 12:09 |
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| dmj7261 | Hmmm...not sure if there is such a tool. It would be handy of course. | 12:10 |
| suihkulokki | ohmy: lmbench has lat_ctx | 12:10 |
| SpeedEvil | People caring is irrelevant. | 12:10 |
| wazd | hello maemo | 12:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the right people caring. | 12:10 |
| dmj7261 | I stand corrected. | 12:10 |
| SpeedEvil | And they don't. | 12:10 |
| ohmy | suihkulokki, thank you | 12:10 |
| dmj7261 | SpeedEvil: I never said it was relevant to the Android platform. | 12:10 |
| dmj7261 | I'm sure some of them don't. | 12:11 |
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| suihkulokki | ohmy: np. if you find any interesting results/improvements please publish them :) | 12:11 |
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| dmj7261 | But I would bet money that there *are* Android developers out there somewhere who do care about openness. | 12:12 |
| dmj7261 | That said, they might just be codemonkeys in the grand Android scheme. | 12:12 |
| dmj7261 | I can't speak for Google as a whole. | 12:13 |
| ohmy | suihkulokki, sure i'll do | 12:13 |
| dmj7261 | And no, I'm not an Android user or developer and don't particularly want an Android phone. | 12:14 |
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| mikhas | it's ok, even if you *had* an android phone, #maemo still loves you =) | 12:15 |
| tekonivel | suihkulokki: hyvä nikki! :) | 12:15 |
| cehteh | is there no git for the maemo kernel? | 12:15 |
| dmj7261 | Just saying that calling people's motivations into question isn't productive. | 12:15 |
| Termana | dmj7261: Tell the truth - your lusting for the fashion statement Motorola Droid | 12:15 |
| tekonivel | good to see that the gnu/linux -issue was mentioned in the backlog :) | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | no, repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 is best bet | 12:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mikhas: No we don't. We head for the guns =) | 12:16 |
| Termana | dmj7261: j/k :P | 12:16 |
| dmj7261 | hehe | 12:16 |
| Termana | I have to admit though, the Droid is rather stylish imo | 12:16 |
| dmj7261 | I would have been jumping up and down for the Droid 6 months ago. | 12:16 |
| dmj7261 | It does have a certain visual appeal. | 12:16 |
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| dmj7261 | I ran across someone who had one a few days ago. it was nice except for the autofocus and the keyboard and touch aspect of the screen. | 12:17 |
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| dmj7261 | (speaking strictly to the hardware, not the Android bits | 12:18 |
| Termana | And Motorola too - remember the Razr craze? (or maybe not, maybe I just thought there was a Razr craze) | 12:18 |
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| dmj7261 | I kept having a hard time getting it to do things until I realized that the fingernail didn't do anything. | 12:18 |
| cehteh | i wonder what nokia saies when you port maemo to motorola hardware :P | 12:19 |
| dmj7261 | There was a Razr craze. | 12:19 |
| cehteh | maemo on iphone .. hehe :P | 12:19 |
| dmj7261 | They say they would rather you port mer | 12:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Mameo includes closed source bits - that presumably they don't license to be distributed. | 12:19 |
| Termana | dmj7261: I wonder if they will be able to get the same momentum of the Razr as with the Droid. So far it looks like its sort of going that way-ish | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | So you can't legally distribute it anyway | 12:20 |
| dmj7261 | The Razr craze screwed moto over in the years after because it made them just think about thin. | 12:20 |
| cehteh | are there nokia officials sometimes in this channel? | 12:20 |
| dmj7261 | Mer | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There are maemo staff. | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | but i doubt any official statements would be made here :P | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I would doubt that anyone with decisionmaking authority on the project is lurking. | 12:20 |
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| lbt | "Mer is excellent" <<< OFFICIAL! | 12:21 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: on the other hand, if they want to keep a dent on the market the have to open their platform, one-vendor platforms never worked well | 12:21 |
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| Termana | I wouldn't bother even trying to "port" Maemo. Just do Mer. I'm not sure weather Nokia would be all to happy with other phone companies doing it though | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: yes. That'll be why apple has such a tiny slice of the audio player market. | 12:21 |
| cehteh | *cough* | 12:21 |
| dmj7261 | I think Nokia would object to (at least widespread) distribution of Maemo's proprietary bits on non Nokia hardware, but Mer is fair game | 12:21 |
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| Termana | SpeedEvil - Dun dun chh? | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Or the original palm | 12:22 |
| dmj7261 | Apple did do a good job getting lots of people to buy their stuff | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | which was _hugely_ popular | 12:22 |
| prometoys | hi, I want to file a bug against "End current task". which is the correct component? | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | And mostly closed during the time it became popular | 12:23 |
| dmj7261 | 2 of my suitemates have an iToych | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | prometoys: desktop possibly | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | or system UI | 12:23 |
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| tekonivel | openneess is no freeway to success in smartphones. fostering, cherishing and gardening a developer community is | 12:24 |
| dmj7261 | openness is simply a path to nurturing that community. | 12:24 |
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| dmj7261 | a pretty good one in my book | 12:24 |
| prometoys | Stskeeps, thanks | 12:25 |
| tekonivel | also, i would say a lot of the smartphone market is quite saturated already; ppl who are inclined to get a smartphone (you can call them "internet in your pocket" if u wish), already have an apple product | 12:25 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: t though | 12:25 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: but apple did it, with fascism | 12:25 |
| Termana | If you read Engadget they seem to be huge Apple fans, but the App Store rejections seem to be getting the best of them | 12:25 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: but surely openness is *a* path to success | 12:25 |
| dmj7261 | Openness is a path to success, or can be if done right | 12:26 |
| Termana | If theres an app store rejection and its not featured on Engadget, strike me down! | 12:26 |
| dmj7261 | Whatever way to success you take, you have to do it right. | 12:26 |
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| tekonivel | also many sorts of openneess exist. f.ex. even if the platform is open source, but hard to install programs on, it's not open | 12:26 |
| dmj7261 | A lot of times an early platform leader will be closed, but open (loosely defined) competitors often have the advantage as the market matures. | 12:27 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: yeah, exactly, but there are also external factors, f.ex. what the competitors are doing (or saying they are doing) and whta the market is like | 12:27 |
| dmj7261 | Windows could be considered an open *platform* | 12:27 |
| Termana | Lets face it - the consumer doesn't really care weather its open or not. They care about things like "coolness" - this is why Apple products are popular. It's also why the Droid seems to be becoming popular, it looks sleek, stylish and cool. | 12:28 |
| tekonivel | personally i'm doubtful Maemo will fly. i hope i'm wrong, since i'm getting one! :) | 12:28 |
| tekonivel | Termana: amen | 12:28 |
| dmj7261 | Worst case scenario with Maemo, we get a couple years with a nice device that has a small, but high-quality selection of apps. | 12:29 |
| tekonivel | Termana: the way is see it, maemo 5 is a step to co-develop (community+nokia together) maemo (6) to be "cool" | 12:29 |
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| Termana | tekonivel: Lets hope so. But Nokia needs to do it quickly. | 12:30 |
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| dmj7261 | It wouldn't surprise me if the Maemo 5 device(s) have more geek appeal than many/most of the Maemo 6 ones. | 12:30 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: i can imagine a worse case: a few years of tacky apps that don't integrate well, only have nerd appeal and don't properly work | 12:30 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: the way i see it, that's exactly nokeas plan | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | tekonivel: actually m6 is the co-development one in many areas i think | 12:30 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: to make maemo5 interesting for nerdies to make it intereting to real people | 12:30 |
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| tekonivel | i mean the m5->m6 transition is the most important development-window for the platform. | 12:31 |
| tekonivel | but i haven't thought of what comes after m6 | 12:31 |
| dmj7261 | I'm seeing a number of apps that will work well *for me* already. | 12:31 |
| mikhas | m7 | 12:31 |
| Termana | The unfortunately thing is its a bit chicken-and-egg - to get developers you need users, and you guessed it, to get users you need developers. | 12:31 |
| tekonivel | oh well, speculatio speculation | 12:31 |
| tekonivel | mikhas: lol i guess! | 12:32 |
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| Jaffa | lo crashanddie | 12:32 |
| dmj7261 | Yes, the old bootstrapping issue. | 12:32 |
| dmj7261 | I think that's why the gnu aspect of maemo is so important. | 12:32 |
| tekonivel | Termana: i think the nerdies have been doing (quite) fine without users with n770 and n8[01]0 | 12:32 |
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| dmj7261 | since it makes it much easier to get more effective developer hours. | 12:33 |
| Termana | Stskeep - joy to the world that Mer will hopefully be able to bring all this goodness to us old device owners and owners of other devices | 12:33 |
| dmj7261 | via easyish ports | 12:33 |
| dmj7261 | The iphone only has 2,000 times the apps as OS2008 | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: just as long as people realize we're not just dying at the point we have fremantle on n8x0 :P | 12:33 |
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| dmj7261 | make that 200 actually | 12:34 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: are they're developed for the platform. porting can be a horrible idea too, not neecssarily good | 12:34 |
| tekonivel | esp. the UI | 12:34 |
| dmj7261 | 2000 is the ratio for maemo 5 apps | 12:34 |
| dmj7261 | I consider reworked ui to be an essential element of a phone port. | 12:34 |
| * Stskeeps is happy as long as libs are easily ported. | 12:35 | |
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| Stskeeps | then it's a matter of modifying View in any MVC app | 12:35 |
| dmj7261 | Who would want to do a java rewrite of Gstreamer when you can just port the original? | 12:35 |
| tekonivel | Stskeeps: yeah libs are importaant!! | 12:35 |
| mikhas | oh yeah, just rewrite the UI, it's easy =p | 12:35 |
| Termana | dmj7261: If you feel like paying for a device that denies you the right to certain applications based on stupid reasons and having a ratio of 1:200 fart apps, you can freely buy an iPhone. | 12:35 |
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| tekonivel | mikhas: re/design/! | 12:36 |
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| dmj7261 | I don't want an ifart | 12:36 |
| dmj7261 | I mean iphone. | 12:36 |
| Termana | Thats right you release enough gas already. You stinky man | 12:36 |
| Termana | j/k :P | 12:36 |
| tekonivel | Termana: "rights" are not very importatnt to many ppl | 12:36 |
| tekonivel | i know it's sad | 12:36 |
| tekonivel | but i think that's true | 12:37 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly the nokia buying palm rumour | 12:37 | |
| dmj7261 | 99% of the iphone apps aren't worth considering really. | 12:37 |
| Termana | tekonivel: I realise that, but shhh your lessening my argument to dmj7261 | 12:37 |
| Termana | Stskeeps: I wonder what they would DO with all the Palm stuff? | 12:37 |
| tekonivel | Termana: oops sorry. let's all get an N900! | 12:37 |
| Termana | tekonivel: lol :P | 12:38 |
| * tekonivel sure is getting one | 12:38 | |
| Stskeeps | tekonivel: palm pre is omap3 | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | err | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: | 12:38 |
| dmj7261 | Okay, I'll go for this n900 thing? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: and some of the expertise is probably useful | 12:38 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: get it or /leave. this is fanboi-central!! ;) | 12:38 |
| dmj7261 | hehe | 12:38 |
| tekonivel | terveisett kaikille fanipojille ja fanitytöille! | 12:38 |
| Termana | Stskeeps: Sure, but what would they do with all the currently developed software, just dump it? Or continue the Palm line? | 12:39 |
| dmj7261 | I'll reserve my right to criticize all of the n900/Maemo faults thank you very much! | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | dmj7261: we complain about those all te time | 12:39 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: i'm afraid i must reserve that too, and continue to live in love+hate -relation wwith my personal device | 12:39 |
| tekonivel | *sigh* | 12:39 |
| * tekonivel at m has an N95 | 12:39 | |
| dmj7261 | Apple fanboys don't do that critique thing much. | 12:39 |
| tekonivel | s/at m/atm/ | 12:39 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: tru fanbois! | 12:40 |
| dmj7261 | I will admit to being an n900 fan, but it's not the holy grail. | 12:40 |
| dmj7261 | It is the first smartphone that looked remotely worthwhile though. | 12:41 |
| tekonivel | i don't think i've ever heard an iFan say a single bad word about their iPdoducts... scary, really! | 12:41 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: the same | 12:41 |
| dmj7261 | It's not a limitation, it's a feature Apple designed to make it easy to use. | 12:41 |
| mikhas | tekonivel, I once did. He said the iTouch wasn't expensive enough. Now everyone would have one. | 12:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: They are now a part of The Cult of Apple. There is no going back. | 12:41 |
| tekonivel | mikhas: lol xD | 12:41 |
| tekonivel | mikhas: you cannot blame the n900 on those same grounds | 12:42 |
| mikhas | certainly not =) | 12:42 |
| dmj7261 | The big problem until now is that smarphones have always looked like tiny computers more than phones to me, and as such I compare them to my desktop. | 12:42 |
| * tekonivel is quite happy with the asus eeepc 901 | 12:43 | |
| tekonivel | what comes to true mobile computimg | 12:43 |
| dmj7261 | Rather, I expect a smartphone to pass my standards for computers, whereas the dumbphones seem more like a toaster or a microwave or a printer. | 12:44 |
| tekonivel | but oh well, i want candy on my personal phone, but (even remotely) useful candy | 12:44 |
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| dmj7261 | I like my eee pc 900 | 12:44 |
| Termana | I have an EEE PC 701SD (srsly 701SD not the 701) | 12:44 |
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| Termana | I like it, but for me - its WAY too bulky to be carrying around everywhere | 12:44 |
| Termana | My N810 just gets stashed in my pocket | 12:45 |
| Termana | Its magic, really | 12:45 |
| dmj7261 | yeah, my eee 900 only fits in some of my pockets. | 12:45 |
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| dmj7261 | and it's a snug fit in those cases. | 12:45 |
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| tekonivel | dmj7261: good point about {dumb,smart}phones | 12:46 |
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| tekonivel | Termana: my eeepc is with me at all times | 12:46 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: but i wish n900 was larger | 12:46 |
| tekonivel | i'd be more than willing to invest pocket-space for screen+battery | 12:47 |
| dmj7261 | Of course, being a linux user, my standards for openness on smartphones are very tough. | 12:47 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: is vrms ported to maemo already? | 12:47 |
| dmj7261 | I wouldn't mind a 4 inch screen on a maemo phone. | 12:47 |
| tekonivel | i'd assume it runs without porting, though | 12:47 |
| dmj7261 | vrms? | 12:47 |
| Termana | tekonivel: If I could take my EEE PC with me everywhere, I would of never bought a N810 (and I only just brought it recently) | 12:47 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: personally i'd love a 8" touchscreen+handsfree | 12:48 |
| Termana | Plus, no one gives it a second thought when I take a N810 into the toilet | 12:48 |
| Termana | lol :P | 12:48 |
| tekonivel | dmj7261: virtual richard m. stallman, a daemon that nags if you have non-free (in the stallmannian sense) programs installed | 12:48 |
| dmj7261 | Stallman would complain about maemo. | 12:49 |
| mikhas | I dont think so. | 12:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ^^ | 12:49 |
| mikhas | we should ask | 12:49 |
| dmj7261 | It has non-free software. | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | stallman would complain about mer. | 12:49 |
| dmj7261 | haha | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | due to our attitude towards HW blobs | 12:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | As soon as you install it, on a fresh N900, you'd be nagged. | 12:49 |
| tekonivel | Termana: i got a n810 to see if i can live without a lapto. i cannot. the netbook is quite perfect (but could be better still, and will be in the future) | 12:49 |
| tekonivel | rms always companins. i love him | 12:49 |
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| Termana | Stallman probably doesn't shop at any shops that use non-free software for their checkout system | 12:50 |
| dmj7261 | I don't care about hw blobs if they work well and are distributable. However, drivers should be open whenever possible. | 12:50 |
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| * tekonivel <3 rms | 12:51 | |
| dmj7261 | RMS does have many useful things to say, though I think his ways aren't practical for many of us. | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | dmj7261: we also accept that some blobs may only be distributable to certain device types, but that's about the limit :P | 12:51 |
| Corsac | does rms write any code nowadays? | 12:51 |
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| dmj7261 | I very much agree with him concerning the "benefits" of software patents. | 12:52 |
| dmj7261 | I don't know if RMS does code these days or not. | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | hardware is as bad in some cases. | 12:52 |
| SpeedEvil | There are some really bad patents granted. | 12:52 |
| dmj7261 | The only use of a hw blob is to run on said hardware. | 12:52 |
| Termana | Corsac: Obviously so, have you SEEN his beard? Obviously he sits in his basement coding all day. | 12:52 |
| dmj7261 | hehe | 12:53 |
| dmj7261 | I have seen his beard | 12:53 |
| dmj7261 | From 5 feet away, it's huge. | 12:53 |
| Corsac | Termana: he gives conferences, but besides that... | 12:53 |
| Corsac | dmj7261: yeah | 12:53 |
| Corsac | he signed my gpg key, i was scared | 12:54 |
| Corsac | :> | 12:54 |
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| RobertH[AU] | Hey everyone. I just installd the SDK for a second time, but the browser doesn't have a network connection. i can wget stuff from the scratchbox terminal, but no luck with the browser. Any ideas as to what is wrong? | 12:55 |
| RobertH[AU] | I didn't have this issue before | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | check /etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf | 12:55 |
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| RobertH[AU] | Stskeeps: ok will do, thank you | 12:56 |
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| tekonivel | bugger, emacs died on me | 12:57 |
| RobertH[AU] | Stskeeps: ahhh thank you very much. It is working now :) | 12:57 |
| tekonivel | anyhow, about rms, i was bragging about this http://www.flickr.com/photos/xmacex/tags/rms | 12:58 |
| tekonivel | :) | 12:58 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: It detected there were people taking the piss out of rms and activated its protections accordingly | 12:58 |
| dmj7261 | nice! | 12:58 |
| dmj7261 | fortunately you can reprogram it using your super GPL powers. | 12:59 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: that must be it | 12:59 |
| tekonivel | gtta leave now | 13:00 |
| tekonivel | bbl | 13:00 |
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| dmj7261 | Is there a jamendo app for maemo? | 13:02 |
| dmj7261 | because a player app for jamendo (analogous to the zoutube client for youtube) would be insanely cool | 13:07 |
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| dmj7261 | it could even be able to integrate with transmission if available to download it. | 13:08 |
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| Jaffa | anybody seen a fremantle port of Vagalume yet? | 13:09 |
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| Jaffa | lo konttori | 13:11 |
| konttori | lo | 13:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Not sure how last.fm is going to work, TBH, considering last.fm banned any unofficial mobile phone clients from using their service last year... | 13:11 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: The N900 isn't a phone - it's a mini netbook with a SIM card | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | I don't want to use it on 3G, just wifi | 13:12 |
| saLOUt | hi all, i just got an garage account. Is it really ment to register manually to the forum? is there any connection between the accounts? | 13:13 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0911/6f/5507a2dd04b5.png eeeeek :D | 13:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: It'd be last.fm you'd need to convince, not me. I'm sure they wouldn't see the difference, but I'm just speculating here :-) | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | saLOUt: you can link them, but they are separate | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: indeed | 13:13 |
| saLOUt | Jaffa: thx | 13:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: What? I see nothing wrong there... :p | 13:14 |
| Termana | wazd, I don't think you mean eeeeek, I think you mean WHOOOO! *holds nuts* | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | saLOUt: http://wiki.maemo.org/Link_talk.maemo.org_account_with_maemo.org_profile | 13:15 |
| Termana | Nokia N900, its not my phone, its just a phone and you know I'm not an owner | 13:15 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: I had to make this shot cause I can't hold all these properties in my head :D | 13:15 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: you've done a nice job anyway :) | 13:16 |
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| saLOUt | Jaffa: ok. Do you know if there is somewhere a how-to installing the recent sdk on an non-debian 64bit linux? (i have opensuse, rpm-based) | 13:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: It is rather long, indeed. Finger-friendly tabs would do some good there :) | 13:17 |
| Jaffa | saLOUt: Isn't it included in the instructions? | 13:18 |
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| RST38h | saLOUt: 1) uninstall your current Linux 2) install 32bit Ubuntu Linux 3) follow with the normal instructions | 13:20 |
| Termana | lol | 13:21 |
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| saLOUt | RST38h: no way, i need my linux for working, too. | 13:28 |
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| RST38h | Using >4GB databases? | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | 32 bit linux can cope with >4G files for some time now | 13:35 |
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| RST38h | Speed: If you are actively using databases, you want 64bit OS though | 13:37 |
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| RST38h | Otherwise, there is absolutely no reason | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | if using beeeg ones, then yes. | 13:39 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 13:59 |
| Andy80 | isn't possible to upgrade to the new firmware for N900 even for people who don't have Windows :P ??? | 14:00 |
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| Jaffa | Andy80: It's not possible to upgrade on Windows either AIUI | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | It just looks like it. | 14:03 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa: what? Aniello just did it yesterday | 14:03 |
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| BluesLee | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/extras free non-free | 14:06 |
| BluesLee | for extras is correct or not? | 14:06 |
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| BluesLee | i get a " | 14:06 |
| BluesLee | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/extras/free Packages | 14:06 |
| BluesLee | 404 Not Found | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras fremantle free non-free | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: According to Peter@Maemo and danielwilms you need a different kind of flash if you have a pre-prod device for this update. However, if anidel can point to a change in something (such as the version of some package) rather than just the "About product" panel, that'd be interesting | 14:08 |
| * qwerty12_N810 doesn't buy it. Considering he downloaded the flash image from NSU and had no problems flashing it | 14:09 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: probably a fix in nolo or similar that needed to be done to act OK with NSU :P | 14:10 |
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| Anidel | hi there | 14:12 |
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| Andy80 | is it possible to just download the image from NSU? | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: dpkg -l hildon-desktop? | 14:12 |
| moo__ | Andy80: I think no... NSU was made more bit tamper proof when people started to root Symbian devices | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I've got 1:2.2.100-28+0 on 41-10. | 14:13 |
| Anidel | did you guys have luck updating via NSU? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: is the tool you use 'public' btw? | 14:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: 1:2.2.100-29.0 | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | where is the download on NSU? | 14:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: 1:2.2.100-29.0 | 14:13 |
| Anidel | 1:2.2.100-31+0 here | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: interesting | 14:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Yes, check your favourite GSM warez site | 14:14 |
| Anidel | Jaffa: select a phone and it'll show you the NSU download | 14:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bollocks, this is older, then | 14:14 |
| Jaffa | Anidel: select a phone *where*? | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | my 42-11 is +31 too | 14:15 |
| Anidel | no idea.. I just did google for nokia nsu | 14:15 |
| Anidel | it shows a page | 14:15 |
| Anidel | hang on | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | er, -31 | 14:15 |
| Anidel | http://europe.nokia.com/get-support-and-software/download-software/device-software-update | 14:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Looks like I'll be redownloading another image, later... | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | Anidel: N900 not included. | 14:16 |
| Anidel | what are package could we check? it did flash it yesterday.. it told me 42-11 was available and I had 41-10 .. it downloaded 161Mb of stuff and sent it to the n900 | 14:16 |
| Anidel | I know.. choose something else | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | Anidel: Anything? | 14:16 |
| Anidel | like E61 | 14:17 |
| Jaffa | and then reboot connected via USB? | 14:17 |
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| Anidel | in the end it's only one software.. dunno why they ask you to choose a phone.. may be older ones require something different | 14:17 |
| Anidel | install it.. it'll ask you to reboot, we didn't. | 14:17 |
| Anidel | run it and it asks you to connect the phone | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | Community seems to have got a lot worse at sharing info :p | 14:18 |
| Anidel | connected the n900 while on | 14:18 |
| Anidel | it detected it and its firmware, checked online noticed a new one | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: probably cos of SnR on talk.maemo.org being too high | 14:18 |
| Anidel | downloaded, and rebooted the n900, sent the new image and restarted | 14:18 |
| Anidel | it asked language and everything again | 14:18 |
| Anidel | so it did flash it | 14:19 |
| Andy80 | I've to relogin... | 14:19 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I'd've expected something useful on -users or pmo | 14:19 |
| Anidel | or at leat did flash something and did change something if the about now says 42-11 | 14:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, -users is actually worth subscribing to, now? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i unsubscribed from -users personally | 14:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: +1 | 14:20 |
| Anidel | there's not that much traffic anyway | 14:20 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if there's a project in grabbing fremantle gitorious packages building them and pushing them out on a repository for people to upgrade from | 14:21 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: It'll be hard to manage with SSU, and all... | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | true | 14:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wouldn't be bad to have SSU-BleedingEdge line to be able to follow ;p | 14:23 |
| Anidel | :) | 14:23 |
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| * Stskeeps glances at the blinking cursor in his thesis document | 14:25 | |
| BluesLee | can someone help, i cant install packages from extras in the sdk, source.list looks like http://pastebin.ca/1671079 | 14:25 |
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| BluesLee | Package supertux is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 14:26 |
| BluesLee | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or | 14:26 |
| BluesLee | is only available from another source | 14:26 |
| BluesLee | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras_dists_fremantle_free_binary-i386_Packages) | 14:26 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: http://i057.radikal.ru/0911/2e/3c8a57d2ed13.png <- muhaha :) | 14:32 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: you can combine these two and produce a transmissin TP roll :D | 14:32 |
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| cehteh | n910 will have a crank to scroll through preferences :) | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | There is only one solution for this: Nokia must produce a 21" display and I must make it support portrait mode | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +on the next Maemo-running device | 14:34 |
| cehteh | mhm using the accelerometer for scrolling would be cool | 14:34 |
| cehteh | 2D scrolling by moving the device up/down/left/right | 14:35 |
| pupnik_ | or tilting | 14:35 |
| * Stskeeps wishes fremantle could do 180 degree rotation | 14:35 | |
| pupnik_ | but blech | 14:35 |
| cehteh | nah moving .. just to make you look like an idiot at the tram stop :) | 14:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Are you a... lefty? | 14:36 |
| pupnik_ | bounce does that already | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i have my charger on my right | 14:36 |
| pupnik_ | got my bluetooth game controller - zeemote | 14:36 |
| cehteh | lefty .. 180° ... huh .. hey that means keyboard on top :P | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: but no, i'm right-handed | 14:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: *sighs* | 14:36 |
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| bymoor | Hi! Anyone using flipclock on N900? It dies on startup. :( | 14:54 |
| bymoor | error is "could not create pipeline, no element "dspmp3sink"" | 14:54 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.harbaum.org/till/maemo/index.shtml#zeemote cool games and usb stuff (zeemote driver) | 14:55 |
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| crashanddie | hey Jaffa | 14:57 |
| pupnik_ | bymoor - clock on n900 is also in upper left of desktop :) | 14:58 |
| bymoor | pupnik_: yep I know that.. :DD But the thing is that I would like to wake on radio. | 14:59 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: harbaum made a special version of drnoksnes with zeemote support | 14:59 |
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| pupnik_ | hey javis, running drnok on n900 - wow ... slow! | 14:59 |
| javispedro | yeah, software scaling | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | the diablo build runs on fremantle and you see screen updates in app overview mode | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | ty! i try to ask til | 15:00 |
| javispedro | yeah, the diablo builds work but AFAIU trying to enable Xsp blacks the screen out | 15:00 |
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| * javispedro needs hardware and time :( | 15:01 | |
| pupnik_ | what do you think os a good way to update screen in maemo5? std sdl? | 15:01 |
| pupnik_ | mhm | 15:01 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: not sure, I have _a lot_ of candidates right now | 15:02 |
| RST38h | pupnik: GtkImage does it for me | 15:02 |
| pupnik_ | right - ty | 15:02 |
| RST38h | pupnik: In full screen mode, I directly bang /dev/fb0 | 15:02 |
| crashanddie | is anyone trying to do IP over FM? | 15:02 |
| RST38h | It is faster, but I guess ou can achieve the same result with Xv | 15:02 |
| pupnik_ | how can i force download a .deb from extras with apt-get? yeemote fails on dependency | 15:02 |
| javispedro | considering: Xshm (what SDL uses), omapfb, painting to a clutter actor (what seems will be the best default) | 15:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Banging device nodes? Man... | 15:03 |
| Anidel | if you guys try the BBC iPlayer inside MicroB can you play videos? | 15:03 |
| javispedro | and even patching hildon-desktop to get what I'll call "HildonRemoteFBO" | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | Anidel, PM | 15:03 |
| * RST38h winks innocently | 15:03 | |
| javispedro | and then render using PVR | 15:03 |
| Anidel | I've created mms.cfg in /etc/adobe with OverrideGPUValidation=true and it works even though at 3-4 fps but audio goes well... | 15:04 |
| pupnik_ | crashanddie: are some modem algotirhms foss? bet you could do "acoustic coupling" over fÃm | 15:04 |
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| pupnik_ | who knpws | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anidel: get_iplayer | 15:06 |
| saLOUt | RST38h: i found a way to use the sdk on rpm based machines: ssh + x-forward, sftp to a virtual client pc running under the rpm-based host ;) | 15:06 |
| Anidel | speedevil I am not interested in iPlayer but in checking if that flags improves flash on n900 as well | 15:07 |
| Anidel | before the change it asked me to kill the browser because it was stuck.. now I am able to play it | 15:07 |
| Anidel | so it seems to do | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: (IP over FM) TX:89.0MHz, RX:107.2MHz?? o.O | 15:10 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, I dunno | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: with "FM" you actually refer to Radio? | 15:11 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, no, to satellite encryption reverse engineering using a 770 | 15:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: You're looking into that too?! | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | oh yeah | 15:12 |
| RST38h | saLOUt: Oh. | 15:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how an encrypted satellite might look like | 15:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | pixellated | 15:13 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Although, I do think Cable is better for these purposes... | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not quite sure you'll get any reasonable bandwidth over a FM transmitter with stereo-encoder | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, or clark gable | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, I'm actually about a end-of-the-world scenario morse encoder as well | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | s/ly/ly thinking/ | 15:17 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: qwerty12_N810, I'm actually thinking about a end-of-the-world scenario morse encoder as well | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ability to tune the TX to 433MHz would be a rather cool option though | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | won't happen | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet | 15:18 |
| Andy80 | uhmm..... 15 estimaed minutes are passed, now it's saying "1 second left" since 5 minutes, during firmware upgrade via NSU :\ | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | unless you change the caps and length of the antenna | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | Andy80, http://xkcd.com/612/ | 15:19 |
| Andy80 | yes I know, but I'm a bit worried :\ | 15:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Andy80: NSU sucks. I used the Maemo Flasher :) | 15:20 |
| Andy80 | qwerty12_N810: and how did you get the flash image? | 15:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Andy80: http://imgur.com/25G3I.jpg | 15:21 |
| Andy80 | qwerty12_N810: ok... but how did you get it :) ? | 15:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That Navifirm program; I thought it was obvious :p | 15:22 |
| RST38h | "Replicas actively attempt to kill living beings when left unsupervised, for the purpose of increasing their numbers. This behavior even extends to non-humans, especially cats." | 15:23 |
| Andy80 | "Upgrade failed" ! | 15:24 |
| Andy80 | WTF!!!! | 15:24 |
| Andy80 | :( | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | (IP over FM) still I consider the main usage of FM-TX *for me* will be to base a cheap RF-remote on that (e.g. garage door etc) rather than IP or audio | 15:24 |
| Andy80 | qwerty12_N810: could you please send me Navifirm, I'll try to flash with it? | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | bt-serial modules are very cheap | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, but the logic to act on serial input is -amazingly enough- more complicated than a simple remote control receiver decoder | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and FM radios are also really cheap | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - not really | 15:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Send 0x55 a lot, rectify the AC component and use it to drive a solenoid | 15:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | encrypted, ... all by the module | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: let me put it this way: I *hate* IR-remotes as you always have to aim at the controlled device. Probably is much simpler and cheaper to replace the IR-receiver in my TV by a 5$ FM-radio than by a BT solution | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, still not set for london tuesday? | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, working on it | 15:36 |
| bymoor | how far you can go with that FM-transmitter? 10 metres? | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | depends | 15:36 |
| Anidel | lcuk, you're coming as well? | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | at ,ost I'd guess | 15:36 |
| lcuk | dunno yet | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | bymoor, mostly depends on the quality on your reception | 15:36 |
| lcuk | hey Anidel btw | 15:36 |
| Anidel | lcuk... | 15:36 |
| lcuk | ... | 15:37 |
| bymoor | sure there's lots of dependencies | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | bymoor, you can read any signal from 10 feet to... where is voyager right about now? | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: possibly. | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | bymoor: the design is such you won't usually annoy your neighbour | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so TX power is very low | 15:37 |
| bymoor | yep | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | tim the toolman taylor would give n900 moar power! | 15:38 |
| bymoor | crashanddie: I guess you have voyager in your carage then.. | 15:38 |
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| crashanddie | carage? | 15:38 |
| lcuk | i'd hazard a guess bymoor meant garage :P | 15:39 |
| bymoor | yep.. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure voyager can be read by any receiver on earth ATM anymore | 15:40 |
| lcuk | not by one, i believe it takes a concerted effort | 15:41 |
| lcuk | with multiple dishes and heavy signal processing | 15:41 |
| lcuk | like picking a needle out of a haystack | 15:41 |
| zerojay | Andy80: Why don't you just wait for the official flashing solution to be released by Nokia for the prerelease N900s? | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it seems both are well? http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/weekly-reports/index.htm | 15:45 |
| Andy80 | zerojay: are we testers or are we users :) ? | 15:46 |
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| Anidel | zerojay: what a question :) | 15:47 |
| Anidel | zerojay: one simply can't wait :p I can't sometimes.. I have this impulse and I had to do it yesterday. | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | to add an point to crashanddie argument: crossing the Atlantic with 100mW TX power also seems possible | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | not on short wave though | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about the band they used | 15:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: You need a "56k/tablet warning" on that thread :p | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | probably horses | 15:52 |
| lcuk | ham radio people dxing around the world | 15:52 |
| pupnik_ | have not been able to uplÃoad one video to flickr from n900 - please test this | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, I have been able | 15:52 |
| pupnik_ | kk | 15:52 |
| lcuk | using the ion cannon blast thingy to bounce signals back in | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, but video needs to be less than 90s | 15:52 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 yeah ok | 15:53 |
| pupnik_ | 48s here- trying 18 hpurs continuously | 15:53 |
| lcuk | i should lower the res of the pics | 15:53 |
| lcuk | by default | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_, and your free account limits you to 2 videos per month | 15:53 |
| pupnik_ | flickr seems to timeout | 15:53 |
| lcuk | flickr flickers | 15:53 |
| lcuk | 2 vids per month! | 15:53 |
| pupnik_ | upload starts. that is not an account problem | 15:54 |
| pupnik_ | sometimes gets to 75% | 15:54 |
| pupnik_ | no resume possible! | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | flickr API doesn't support it | 15:55 |
| pupnik_ | maybe timing out due to 380kb/s upstream | 15:55 |
| pupnik_ | not a practical way to share video | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/3996134435/ | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | videos work | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Why would you put videos on flickr, anyway? It's like uploading a photo album to YouTube :) | 15:55 |
| pupnik_ | i try send a video to youtube then | 15:56 |
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| pupnik_ | youtube not available - only ovi (no response to login) flickr (no upload) | 15:57 |
| pupnik_ | a better way to share would be "enter ip of recipient" | 15:58 |
| pupnik_ | or "send to contact" | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Tried the Pixelpipe plugin? I had it uploading an image to an FTP server | 15:58 |
| pupnik_ | no middleman | 15:59 |
| pupnik_ | wow cool | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, can pixelpipe push a copy of the image to mmc | 16:00 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | MMC as in a memory card, or? | 16:01 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:01 |
| lcuk | i would like to have a dedicated mmc plugged in which gets copies of the images which i can swap in out as required, but the camera doesnt break if its not there | 16:01 |
| pupnik_ | registering pixelpipe crashed media player | 16:01 |
| lcuk | and i dont mind copies | 16:01 |
| pupnik_ | mms? | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Dunno, it's for uploading stuff to online sites. Just copy the images, manually, from the File manager when done with the camera :) | 16:02 |
| pupnik_ | what about telling camera app to store on mmc alternatively | 16:02 |
| pupnik_ | right | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | dont want alternatively - just want a dynamic push to it, its simple enough for me to make a little daemon i suppose | 16:03 |
| lcuk | just wondered whether pp would manage it | 16:03 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | No point. You would still have to instigate the sharing process manually, like you would when copying from File manager | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | i thought pp was automatic? | 16:04 |
| lcuk | live like qic or whatever its called? | 16:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's a plugin that adds another option to the dialog containing "Share via Bluetooth" etc. | 16:06 |
| Anidel | it's called Share via Services | 16:06 |
| * lcuk will make a daemon eventually then | 16:06 | |
| Anidel | you develop your plugin (documented) and it'll appear when you click Share via Services | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | good lord, some chick from HSBC just flirted with me on the phone | 16:06 |
| Anidel | flickr, pp, ovi, facebook all are plugins for Share via Services | 16:06 |
| Anidel | shame is.. there's still no documented/public APIs for us to make use of it :( | 16:07 |
| lcuk | upload to talk.maemo.org :D | 16:07 |
| Anidel | you can make it, sure.. it'd documented :) | 16:07 |
| lcuk | compress and upload as tweet to twitter :D | 16:07 |
| Anidel | you can make it open a thread :p | 16:07 |
| Anidel | there's no share via twitter yet.. you can make that as well :) but you can simply then use pp for this | 16:08 |
| pupnik_ | anidel ow! | 16:08 |
| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/quasimondo/3518306770/in/photostream/ | 16:08 |
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| Anidel | pupnik what? | 16:09 |
| Anidel | lcuk cool indeed :) | 16:11 |
| lcuk | Anidel, i keep wondering about making an automatic thread maker on tmo | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Er, they're called spambots | 16:12 |
| lcuk | a juornal/diary/blog subforum for us | 16:12 |
| lcuk | journal | 16:12 |
| lcuk | lol yeah q | 16:12 |
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| pupnik_ | no documented api for sharing via service.. looks like this is a money issue | 16:12 |
| pupnik_ | or securitty by obscurity | 16:12 |
| lcuk | has anyone asked officially (or via a bug) about how to access it? | 16:13 |
| lbt | sharing via aservice? | 16:14 |
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| lcuk | hey konttori | 16:14 |
| lcuk | assume so lbt | 16:14 |
| lcuk | heybtw | 16:14 |
| lbt | you mean like the maemopad example source does? | 16:14 |
| lbt | share by email | 16:15 |
| lbt | share by bluetooth | 16:15 |
| lbt | "never attribute to malice that which can be explained through incompetence" | 16:15 |
| Anidel | pupnik you can create a new plugin | 16:15 |
| pupnik_ | can fraps on windows stream the video? i want to show someone my playing crysis on n900 | 16:16 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 16:16 |
| Anidel | pupnik but can't make use of them (yet) in your own app | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lbt: It's missing "Share by service", which is the complaint here | 16:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *via | 16:16 |
| lbt | ah, not "share by $service" | 16:16 |
| Anidel | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing | 16:17 |
| Anidel | it's documented | 16:17 |
| pupnik_ | crashed browser | 16:17 |
| pupnik_ | i am *good* | 16:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | maemo.org is functioning at its usual fast speeds, I see | 16:18 |
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| pupnik_ | it is the dsmn nsa archiving everything | 16:18 |
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| Anidel | well I've read tero is busy with the "move" so .. hopefully soon we'll have a faster maemo.org | 16:19 |
| lcuk | im not sure why they want to archive the flotsam that tmo can create at times. | 16:19 |
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| * lcuk is bugfixing liqbase this we | 16:20 | |
| * Anidel is working on a new awesome feature for Xournal :P :P :P | 16:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: Echelon surely does ;-P | 16:21 |
| Anidel | something that that crap liqbase can only envy :P :P hihihi | 16:21 |
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| lcuk | lol Anidel ;) | 16:22 |
| Anidel | :D | 16:23 |
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| Anidel | so something changed in 42-11 : http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4643&d=1258199362 | 16:25 |
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| Anidel | I've read the italian article on 46-5 available from Nokia.. I think they just saw MickyFin screenshot of his own N900 that was upgraded at Nokia this week :) | 16:26 |
| lcuk | Anidel, thread, not diff please | 16:26 |
| Anidel | okay.. | 16:26 |
| Anidel | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33735&page=6 | 16:26 |
| Anidel | there you have it | 16:27 |
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| lcuk | dont tell the police you have an n900 | 16:27 |
| lcuk | http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/14/1232247/Robbery-Suspect-Cleared-By-Facebook-Alibi?art_pos=1 | 16:27 |
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| lardman | "morning" | 16:39 |
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| derf | It's still morning here, if that helps. | 16:40 |
| lardman | :) | 16:41 |
| lardman | it's a wet rainy galey afternoon here | 16:41 |
| * lardman is not sure about forming an adjective from gale | 16:41 | |
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| lardman | so, what does one do when one runs out of space on root? | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Scream | 16:42 |
| lardman | curse the fact that python is not optified yet? | 16:42 |
| lardman | are there any recommended things to remove? | 16:42 |
| lizardo | lardman: that will be fixed soon (today or monday) | 16:43 |
| lardman | lizardo: cool :P) | 16:43 |
| lardman | oops | 16:43 |
| lardman | :) | 16:44 |
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| lizardo | lardman: but I'll only be able to upload the fixes to extras-devel, so we will have to wait some python application be promoted to pull the new packages :/ | 16:44 |
| * lardman is typing on a netbook, keep missing keys | 16:44 | |
| pupnik_ | curse python, join Ãme in song | 16:44 |
| lardman | lizardo: oh right, well I'll update from there anyway so no worries | 16:44 |
| lardman | pupnik_: python is nice really | 16:44 |
| pupnik_ | i am happier with my minority opinion status than with worrying about whether it is justifiable | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | lardman, theres a couple of themes which are large | 16:46 |
| lcuk | some localization stuff | 16:46 |
| lcuk | some deb archives | 16:46 |
| pupnik_ | image viewer thumbnail pulls in every album cover on system | 16:47 |
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| lardman | hmm, doesn't look like the themes can be removed individually | 16:48 |
| lcuk | rm -r | 16:49 |
| lardman | wow, a whole 6MB free now | 16:49 |
| lardman | oi! | 16:50 |
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| derf | That's about all I ever have free on my N810. | 16:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: rm -rf /home/user/MyDocs/furry_archives | 16:50 |
| lcuk | mydocs isnt include qwerty12_N810 | 16:51 |
| lcuk | he can keep his stash | 16:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Damn | 16:51 |
| lcuk | but lardman needs to share | 16:51 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: but that's not on the rootfs, so makes no odds | 16:51 |
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| pupnik_ | on some share via flickr, n900 thinks photo upload is incomplete, flicker thinks it is complete, resulting in this mess of duplicates -- http://flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/ in ADDITION, flickr delete button does not work in n900 browser - is this a bugreport candidate for bugs.maemo.org? | 16:59 |
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| * pupnik_ is just trying out some basic features since that is what was requested | 17:02 | |
| cehteh | aprops browser+buttons, i cant scroll in about:config in scratchbox/xephyr | 17:04 |
| cehteh | nor search | 17:04 |
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| bymoor | Have you tried adblock+ on N900 browser? For me the preferences page opens, but buttons ain't working. :/ | 17:13 |
| cehteh | on n900 or scratchbox? | 17:14 |
| bymoor | So I actually can't subscribe to any of the block lists. | 17:14 |
| bymoor | on n900 | 17:14 |
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| bymoor | For example when I press "filters" in the upper menu, the dropmenu sometimes flickers there, but I really cannot access it. | 17:16 |
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| bymoor | same for the rest of the menus | 17:17 |
| bymoor | When pressing "Add filter..", it clearly shows that button gets focus, but still nothing happens. | 17:18 |
| bymoor | Oh.. Cancel is the only button that works. :) | 17:18 |
| saLOUt | is it possible do upload a 3GB image to the garage? | 17:20 |
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| lcuk | hey javispedro | 17:27 |
| * Stskeeps ponders the bullshit bingo thread | 17:27 | |
| Stskeeps | it | 17:27 |
| javispedro | hello lcuk | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's hillarious cos they get the bullshit part censored on talk | 17:27 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, if it were mixed up amongst 100s of apps it wouldnt be an issue at all | 17:27 |
| javispedro | talk censoring? | 17:27 |
| lcuk | but i wonder how the effect of the first app being seen is | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: bullshit = ******** | 17:28 |
| javispedro | heh | 17:28 |
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| javispedro | "Shall I leave this forum" thread | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | 'oh yes please'? | 17:28 |
| javispedro | I foresee an imminent increase in popcorn shipments this weekend | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:29 |
| lcuk | im thinking of joining up as the devil and having a "should i join this forum" thread | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: did sd69 catch you? | 17:29 |
| pupnik_ | oh who said popcorn. darn you brb | 17:29 |
| * qwerty12_N810 votes yes on that poll for the fuck of it | 17:29 | |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: yeah, he pm'd me | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:29 |
| lcuk | me too | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | good | 17:30 |
| * lcuk should respond really | 17:30 | |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: what's his position either way? | 17:30 |
| * lcuk was busy at the time and forgot | 17:30 | |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: position? diablo SSU, so same as you :) | 17:30 |
| javispedro | ah | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | i've stated to him what i hope to see with them (info on where to watch for them, how restrictive it is to get libs and if a texture from pixmap extension is there or possible) | 17:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SD69: Will respond when I'm sat behind my computer :) | 17:31 |
| javispedro | hey, how can you read my PMs qwerty? | 17:31 |
| javispedro | ;) | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: so it's in good hands now :) | 17:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I found about your Hello Kitty obsession and, hence, getting your password wasn't hard from there on... | 17:32 |
| javispedro | I ponder wheter to CC him and you in the TI discussion? | 17:32 |
| javispedro | just in case he's also having one ongoing that I don't know of. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: feel free to cc me on the stuff so i'm aware what's going on | 17:33 |
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| lcuk | wow | 17:44 |
| lcuk | gmail just got cool | 17:44 |
| lcuk | someone signed me up for some spam | 17:44 |
| lcuk | when i marked it as spam | 17:44 |
| * javispedro ponders why gmail thinks the best adds to show alongside an email about "OMAP2" stuff are "Free love test" and "Free know-when-you're-going-to-die test" | 17:45 | |
| javispedro | s/adds/ads | 17:45 |
| lcuk | they offered to unsubscribe cos it was a known site | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: It was only intended as a joke... | 17:45 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 i get far more than you think | 17:45 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has 317 spam e-mails in his Gmail account | 17:46 | |
| javispedro | noobs | 17:46 |
| lcuk | mine normally bubbles at around the 2-3000 mark | 17:46 |
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| lcuk | but on some months its gone >15k | 17:47 |
| javispedro | well, I aggregate a shitload of mail accounts to this one, so having 2910 is to be expected | 17:47 |
| javispedro | heh | 17:47 |
| lcuk | i dont know why most of em say "hey javis," | 17:47 |
| javispedro | *javis hides* | 17:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: The "Come to London" one wasn't meant to go to Spam, BTW | 17:48 |
| Anidel | in the new firmware 42-11 they changed the way they handle rotation... I have two videos showing how xournal rotates in 41-10 and in 42-11 and I really like the way they were doing it before.. asap I'll update them | 17:48 |
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| javispedro | man, BasiliskII is the best computer emulator :) | 17:51 |
| * lardman is watching domino day 2009, great stuff | 17:53 | |
| * lardman is suffering from a hangover in case you were wondering why... | 17:54 | |
| RST38h | Anidel: changed how? =) | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Don't worry, we know you would've been watching it, anyway, hangover or no hangover | 17:54 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: I imagine you must also be watching as you understand the quality of the programming | 17:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: I'm under the impression that your choice in programs must be just as bad as your choice in music | 17:57 |
| javispedro | anyone know by hand the bug# for the A-GPS cannot be used without the "A-" data? | 17:58 |
| RST38h | javis: a moment | 17:58 |
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| RST38h | #5337 | 17:59 |
| javispedro | thanks! | 17:59 |
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| lardman | this really is quality, do switch over and watch :) | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | lardman, chan? | 18:05 |
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| lardman | 5 | 18:12 |
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| Anidel | rst38h before I could see my toolbar changing before the rotation, the rotation, and when done, the canvas was fully rendered in portrait mode (and viceversa), very clean... | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | Anidel, and now? | 18:17 |
| Anidel | rst38h: now it starts the rotation, when it ends, the toolbar is halfway in the middle of the screen (rotated), then you see it re-rendering the screen and pushing the toolbar to the lower part of the screen | 18:17 |
| Anidel | viceversa, when completing the rotation to landscape, you see half screen with the canvas and half screen empty and then it completes the rendering | 18:18 |
| Anidel | horrible | 18:18 |
| javispedro | the questions is... horrible, but any faster? :) | 18:18 |
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| Anidel | not any faster... | 18:18 |
| Anidel | same speed, worse looking. | 18:18 |
| Anidel | I'll upload tonight the two videos | 18:19 |
| Anidel | now I am going out | 18:19 |
| Anidel | see you later | 18:20 |
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| jebbajeb | Which script should I use to install SDK? | 18:24 |
| jebbajeb | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/maemo-sdk-installer.py | 18:24 |
| jebbajeb | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh & http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | bug: browser: can not clÃick on text entry field in google.com | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | can not enter text | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | wow | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik_: summit version issue mostly | 18:24 |
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| jebbajeb | it seems the maemo-sdk-installer.py script is more recent (sbox2 versus scratchbox1?). But the other one is listed at Nokia's Maemo SDK 5 page. Hmmm... | 18:26 |
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| pupnik_ | jebbajeb: i would take the one referenced by maemo5 | 18:27 |
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| jebbajeb | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html It is slightly older Oct 5. | 18:28 |
| jebbajeb | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html 2009-11-02 Newer... seem quite different scripts though. | 18:28 |
| pupnik_ | lus chances are better the .sh author knew what they were doing | 18:29 |
| pupnik_ | :0 | 18:29 |
| pupnik_ | plus | 18:29 |
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| jebbajeb | heh. but i think the .sh got me scratchbox1, not scratchbox2 (debian lenny) | 18:30 |
| pupnik_ | do you want sb2? | 18:30 |
| pupnik_ | maybe you dont | 18:31 |
| jebbajeb | well, i did the *whole* thing (with slow 'net), based on the forum.nokia docs. Then I came across the link at garage, which appears more recent. Plus it is maemo SDK+ 1.0.19, and I think the other one is maemo SDK+ 1.0.16 | 18:32 |
| jebbajeb | the one at garage appears to use scratchbox2 | 18:32 |
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| jebbajeb | I figure there ought to be just one standard SDK for N900, but the one on forum.nokia looks old... | 18:33 |
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| pupnik_ | jebbajeb: i wish i knew. hang around, someone should know | 18:46 |
| pupnik_ | i hope to get stable dev pc setup today | 18:46 |
| lardman | all over, they broke the world record! yay! | 18:47 |
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| lardman | is there a Fremantle gmail app/applet? | 18:48 |
| jebbajeb | lardman? | 18:48 |
| pupnik_ | what is the plan for hacker os bootloader for n900? say i wanted to put the development env on device... | 18:48 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: Domino Day 2009! ;) | 18:48 |
| jebbajeb | lardman: i believe i stumbled across one somewhere | 18:48 |
| pupnik_ | havent seen one lardman | 18:48 |
| lardman | jebbajeb: there's something for diablo I just saw - https://garage.maemo.org/projects/macuco/ | 18:49 |
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| lardman | qt web app which masquerades as safari and therefore gets the lightweight iphone like interface | 18:50 |
| lardman | can desktop applet use acceleraiton? | 18:51 |
| pupnik_ | i LOVE double-click to zoom on N900 browser .. solves the hard-to-hit-link problem nicely! | 18:51 |
| lardman | oh, does it do that? | 18:51 |
| lardman | is there a new image out yet? | 18:51 |
| pupnik_ | no | 18:52 |
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| lardman | I wonder what image the shpping phones use? | 18:53 |
| pupnik_ | dunno!. double-click near a link | 18:53 |
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| pupnik_ | wb timeless_mbp | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 18:54 |
| pupnik_ | what is mbp? | 18:54 |
| timeless_mbp | macbook pro | 18:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: Something you don't want | 18:54 |
| mikhas | unless you need 8h batteries | 18:55 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: timeless' loves safari, didn't you know ? ;) | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: you mean i love when osx forces me to restart so i can update safari? | 18:56 |
| mikhas | pupnik_, you dont have to doubleclick near a link, the browser always tries to zoom into the current block element on doubleclick | 18:57 |
| javispedro | I wouldn't expect otherwise from an operating system pet browser | 18:57 |
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| pupnik_ | oh? mmm | 18:57 |
| mikhas | yeah | 18:57 |
| mikhas | it's great for reading text, too | 18:57 |
| pupnik_ | ok i love it | 18:57 |
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| mikhas | sadly this feature is not in the hildon UI spec. I wish every app would do it | 18:58 |
| mikhas | every app that deals with text at least | 18:58 |
| pupnik_ | filebrowsers? :) | 18:59 |
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| pupnik_ | heh | 18:59 |
| mikhas | oh, the pain ... | 18:59 |
| mikhas | you said it | 18:59 |
| RST38h | the suffering! | 18:59 |
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| pupnik_ | maybe a maemo user should seldom see a "file browser" | 19:00 |
| mikhas | yeah, right ... | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: are you using my localization? | 19:00 |
| pupnik_ | ? i dont get what is painful, precisely | 19:00 |
| mikhas | but to be honest, I dont know how good the nokia whatever suite for windows is | 19:01 |
| pupnik_ | timeless_mbp: not that i am aware.. | 19:01 |
| pupnik_ | timeless_mbp: i went to engl (usa) | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: I think the filebrowser is so fubar usually, I tend to agree with you. And add we got terminal and mc for that, to do the job right :-/ | 19:02 |
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| mikhas | I love how you can zoom in the terminal | 19:03 |
| mikhas | makes me want to have 200 DPI screens on my laptop | 19:03 |
| lopz | hi :p | 19:03 |
| mikhas | and all the time I thought my eye sight is bad | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | mikhas: 140dpi is the minimum sane resolution IMO for laptops. | 19:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | mikhas: 100dpi is just stupid. | 19:04 |
| mikhas | you are probably right, I was simply never aware of how big of a difference it can be | 19:04 |
| mikhas | I thought bigger DPI wouldnt help to increase readibility. how wrong I was | 19:05 |
| RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/11/itoilet.jpg | 19:05 |
| moo__ | browsing web pages is quite nice compared to S60 devices - so I agree with mikhas | 19:05 |
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| user007 | Hi | 19:06 |
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| moo__ | user007, the secret agent | 19:06 |
| user007 | ñ_ñ | 19:06 |
| moo__ | user007: has Q given you new toys recently? | 19:06 |
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| user007 | not yet,... | 19:07 |
| user007 | :) | 19:07 |
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| user007 | guys, I get the follow error: files /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/defaults: No shuch file | 19:09 |
| unixSnob | what a lousy design for an iToilet | 19:09 |
| user007 | but I have installed this... | 19:09 |
| unixSnob | must be a knock-off.. apple wouldn't have a tank sitting on the back | 19:09 |
| javispedro | oh no, not another palm bought by somebody rumour | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia bought palm. | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Oracle? | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Please, make it Oracle =) | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Or was it JCB. | 19:10 |
| javispedro | heh | 19:10 |
| javispedro | it's Nokia this time it seems. | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I know! Nasa! | 19:10 |
| javispedro | (nokia _again_. dang stupid people) | 19:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | mikhas: yeah. The obvious test case is - If you move the screen twice as far away - do you have to increase the fontsize by twice in order to see it? | 19:11 |
| javispedro | engadget even goes to say "nokia may be interested in webos" | 19:11 |
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| javispedro | yes. definitely. | 19:11 |
| RST38h | of course | 19:12 |
| RST38h | it just fits Nokia's strategy sooooooo well | 19:12 |
| BBNS | o.o what strategy? | 19:12 |
| javispedro | well guys, starting getting books on webos internals! | 19:13 |
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| user007 | ;-; | 19:14 |
| BBNS | trying to get QML working on N900 :3 | 19:14 |
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| BBNS | QML looks promising. | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | total new LOC: 0 | 19:16 |
| * SpeedEvil finishes his annoying afternoon of failing the practical driving test again. | 19:17 | |
| lcuk | dragged in code from March: 334 :) | 19:17 |
| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil my missus failed her test a few times | 19:17 |
| lcuk | twice for speeding | 19:17 |
| * lcuk laughed | 19:17 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Bad distance perception basically - not helped by my last several driving lessons being at night. | 19:18 |
| lcuk | yikes | 19:18 |
| lcuk | tracy had her first test in heavy rain | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Pulling out slightly too late, and getting a fault. | 19:18 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: how old are you? | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | 32 | 19:18 |
| BBNS | lcuk: how's the new job going? | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Not got tested basically as through ill health not had car. | 19:19 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: how come you've not learned yet? | 19:19 |
| lcuk | BBNS, interesting, lots and lots of reading and learning and picking up things | 19:19 |
| lardman | moving boxes hey? | 19:19 |
| BBNS | lcuk: i though it's opposite. =p you teach them. | 19:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: congratulations, btw | 19:19 |
| lcuk | same as any new job, im more tired now than ive ever been | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Woo! hadn't heard. | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Belated cogratiations | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Congratulations. | 19:20 |
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| lardman | lcuk: you going to move then? | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | lardman, at some point as reqd yeah, but not immediately | 19:21 |
| lcuk | thx guys :D | 19:21 |
| lardman | cool | 19:21 |
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| mikhas | SpeedEvil, sucks. | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | is there a computerised potato peeler yet? | 19:25 |
| lcuk | apart from the big sanding barrels the chipshops use | 19:25 |
| javispedro | Adobe PotatoShop ? | 19:27 |
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| lardman | where should one look to produce 2d hw accelerated transitions? | 19:29 |
| Flyser | OpenGL ES | 19:30 |
| lardman | thanks for that :p | 19:30 |
| lardman | passing by electrons enroute ;) | 19:30 |
| javispedro | or Clutter.. | 19:31 |
| lardman | ah, of course | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I suppose a totally analog approach to cook the potato 1mm deep from peel by really hot liquid, then just blow away the soft peel and 1mm of cooked potato with high pressure air | 19:31 |
| lardman | anyone know if desktop applets can use hw acceleration? | 19:31 |
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| lardman | I guess so | 19:32 |
| Flyser | maybe XRender is accelerated too | 19:32 |
| Flyser | dont know for sure though | 19:32 |
| Macer | i am at the barber and some people shouldnt bother | 19:32 |
| javispedro | they don't run in hildon-desktop process any longer | 19:32 |
| lardman | Flyser: I'll do some digging, thanks | 19:32 |
| Macer | i mean cmon dude. why am i waiting 15 mins for a bald person | 19:32 |
| lardman | javispedro: ok | 19:33 |
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| lardman | Macer: maybe he's having a polish? | 19:33 |
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| lcuk | lol lardman | 19:36 |
| lardman | hmm, can anyone else access the openismus site? | 19:39 |
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| lardman | e.g. http://www.openismus.com/documents/clutter_tutorial/0.8/docs/tutorial/html/ | 19:40 |
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| javispedro | I can | 19:40 |
| range | Same here. | 19:40 |
| lardman | hmm | 19:40 |
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| lardman | I get a timeout | 19:41 |
| javispedro | lardman: though, you may be interested in HildonAnimationActor | 19:41 |
| mikhas | lardman, the server can be slow sometimes | 19:42 |
| lcuk | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.openismus.com | 19:42 |
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| lcuk | o_O http://www.thrfeed.com/neverbeforeseen-star-trek-pilot-found.html | 19:42 |
| mikhas | why not just a proxy, lardman. or ask someone to send you the pdf via a t.m.o PM =) | 19:44 |
| lardman | lcuk: nice site | 19:45 |
| lardman | mikhas: ok | 19:46 |
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| lardman | looks like a bunch of html pages, otherwise i'd grab it from the google cache | 19:47 |
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| mikhas | yeah | 19:49 |
| lardman | hmm, pdf is not cached | 19:50 |
| mikhas | does andre__ know anything about ocassional server problems w.r.t openismus.com? | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=5 am I the only one seeing "0 viewing" on all these forums, while the toplevel will actually list numbers | 19:51 |
| mikhas | perhaps some stupid filtering on behalf of the provider. blame the script kiddies and their ddos attacks =( | 19:51 |
| mikhas | I fear that in 30 years or so we will tell our grand children that there was net neutrality, long long ago ... | 19:52 |
| lardman | hmm, looks like my provider is just being crap atm | 19:53 |
| range | Shapeshifter: No, I also only see the "0 viewing" | 19:53 |
| lardman | proxy.org also times out | 19:54 |
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| andre__ | mikhas, isn't there an openismus channel for that? ;-) | 19:55 |
| andre__ | i just got my mail | 19:55 |
| lcuk | lardman, hold on, ill just reboot the internet for you, its been playing up for a few people today | 19:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: Who said you can't use "Share via service" from your own app? http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091114-175354.png - achieved with dlopen() and guesswork. | 19:55 |
| lardman | lcuk: good stuff :) | 19:55 |
| mikhas | lcuk, lol | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:56 |
| mikhas | andre__, but is it opened during weekends? | 19:56 |
| lcuk | everyone save their work | 19:56 |
| * SpeedEvil saves. | 19:56 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810+= | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810++ i mean :P | 19:56 |
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| mikhas | you meant pr0n? | 19:56 |
| w00t_ | wow. | 19:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: You forgot ~ =) | 19:56 |
| lcuk | mikhas, you should have a sizeable local cache (at least there was last time we took a copy) | 19:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Although, I see the dialog isn't being set transient to my window | 19:57 |
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| andre__ | mikhas, sure, 24/7 | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: there's no api for share? only for making sharing plugins? | 19:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Correct. Make as much plugins as you want, but no way to bring up that sharing dialog from your app | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: .. | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: what lib has the dialog? | 19:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | libsharingdialog.0.0 | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 19:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | libsharingdialog.so.0, even | 19:58 |
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| lardman | off to the shops, bbl | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: they can probably be convinced to push out sharing-dialog-dev as well | 20:01 |
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| * Stskeeps adds to todo | 20:03 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | ~Stskeeps++ | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | i assume it's OK it would be L7/nokia-binaries? | 20:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sharing-dialog is already in nokia-binaries | 20:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | So I can't see how else it'd be done :) | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's what i figured | 20:04 |
| lcuk | javispedro, thanks for updating the code flow about the pathway | 20:05 |
| lcuk | a bitmap takes | 20:05 |
| lcuk | its still a very long pipeline! | 20:05 |
| javispedro | and I don't know exactly how costly the texture_from_pixmap conversion is. I had a better (but wrong) idea about the process before Sts pointed me to that nokia extension :P | 20:06 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 20:07 |
| lcuk | can you store XYZ data on x11 that the server can access | 20:07 |
| lcuk | thats not a normal pixmap etc | 20:07 |
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| javispedro | well I guess you can store certain data as Atoms, bt why would you want to do that? | 20:08 |
| lcuk | ie, could you precache the powervr textures at your side and by some magic have the desktop use them without needign a conversion everytime | 20:08 |
| javispedro | hildon-desktop gets all its image data from windows | 20:09 |
| lcuk | yes i know | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | so just create a offscreen one (for example hildonanimationactor) and draw it once | 20:10 |
| lcuk | x-atom-use-this-texure-instead -> ptr to actual powervr texture | 20:10 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: that's my idea | 20:10 |
| javispedro | HildonRemoteFBO | 20:10 |
| * lcuk nods great! | 20:10 | |
| lcuk | bbl tea | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: bug 6177 | 20:13 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6177 Consider pushing sharing-dialog-dev to nokia-binaries to encourage developer usage of sharing dialog | 20:13 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Thanks. Added my 2c | 20:16 |
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| jebbajeb | anyone know if the "correct" SDK to use for N900 is the one based on scratchbox 1 or sbox2 ? | 20:44 |
| wazd | Damn, I have a great interior design idea! | 20:44 |
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| Stskeeps | a chair? | 20:44 |
| wazd | But I suspect that it's already done | 20:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yes! | 20:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :D | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear | 20:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Nonsense! Now just give me your ideas... | 20:45 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: imagine some material for fake celling that can pass the light from beneath but looks opaque from the front | 20:46 |
| lcuk | like, paper | 20:46 |
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| wazd | lcuk: sort of, but more robust | 20:47 |
| lcuk | like, card | 20:47 |
| lcuk | or plastic | 20:47 |
| lcuk | or any one of hundreds of translucent/frosted materials | 20:47 |
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| wazd | so any source will look like fancy light spot on the celling | 20:48 |
| wazd | without any physical presence | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | kotczarny posted this yesterday in #liqbase http://www.contemporist.com/2009/11/10/carbon-451-lamp-by-marcus-tremonto/ | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i thought ti was amazing | 20:50 |
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| javispedro | jebbajeb, scratchbox1 | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want to make a virtual sky. | 20:54 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ <- here in the new IRC description from the tv series Numb3rs | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got it sketched out. | 20:54 |
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| Jaffa | jebbajeb: The "official" SDK is based on Scratchbox 1 | 20:54 |
| javispedro | ENHANCE! ENHANCE! CROP! ROTATE! ZOOM IN ON THAT REFLECTION! | 20:54 |
| wazd | Ceron^: ah, not again | 20:54 |
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| wazd | javispedro: that's CSI I think :D | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Take 1mm diameter refractive index 2 balls - you get them in barrels for use in signs. Now, paint on each ball a phosphor pattern on the top, to make a virtual sky scene. Align a hundred million of these on a ceiling, and back-illuminate with blue/UV LEDs to make the phosphor glow. | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Voila - an image at infinity, of a 20*20 or so sky scene. | 20:56 |
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| javispedro | what the.. | 20:56 |
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| javispedro | did the dialogue went by | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I was commenting on lcuk's CF light. | 20:56 |
| javispedro | "Fortunately, I speak leetspeak!" "That's so hot..." | 20:56 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: na, I was commenthing the numbers youtube :) | 20:57 |
| javispedro | s/h/ | 20:57 |
| lcuk | haha SpeedEvil go even madder and use a proper eink control interface behind each ball | 20:57 |
| lcuk | and have a live ceiling | 20:57 |
| lcuk | able to reflect and show proper info | 20:57 |
| Ceron^ | LU(|<1L'/ 1 $P34|< L337 | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: that would be tricky. | 20:57 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, not really, its just jumbotron technology | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: the idea is for a million little projectors - that mean that you have the 'sky' at visual infinity | 20:58 |
| lcuk | even if you considered each pixel to be pingpongball size | 20:58 |
| lcuk | omg, its full of stars | 20:58 |
| lcuk | make a wall/ceiling of n900s :) | 20:58 |
| lcuk | 266dpi | 20:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: As you move, and look up at a specific point in the sky, you see a specific colour of phosphor, nomatter where in the room you move | 20:59 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is finally out of scrollback | 21:00 | |
| lcuk | http://innovech.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/miniature-projector-coming-to-make-large-display-ubiquitous-mems-mirror-to-help/ | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: there is a big difference between a projected image, and a virtual sky at infinity though | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (at least for those of us with ceilings of under 50m) | 21:01 |
| lcuk | i wasnt thinking of it for a projector in this instance | 21:02 |
| lcuk | it is the practically microscopic mirrorsed surfaces | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | that give the irridescent coloring based on angle of viewer | 21:02 |
| lcuk | +sp | 21:02 |
| lcuk | google search made me go cross eyed for a moment | 21:05 |
| lcuk | theres 2 results | 21:05 |
| lcuk | "Cosmic Shimmer Irridescent Watercolour Paints" | 21:05 |
| lcuk | "IRRIDESCENT Edible Silk range : Cake Stuff" | 21:05 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 21:05 | |
| lcuk | which i misread as "Irridescent edible pants" | 21:05 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h | 21:05 |
| RST38h | hey | 21:05 |
| javispedro | lcuk: radium.... yummy. | 21:05 |
| RST38h | there is a variety of other irridescent things | 21:07 |
| lcuk | bubbles | 21:08 |
| lcuk | mmm javispedro radium isnt irridescent | 21:08 |
| lcuk | its luminescent | 21:09 |
| lcuk | but tasty i agree | 21:09 |
| RST38h | not really, afaik | 21:09 |
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| javispedro | touché. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | I think you all have Cherenkov's luminiscence in mind | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | Nice bluish glow. When you see it, it usually means that you are already dead. | 21:10 |
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| * RST38h idly wonders if he should push the new versions of his stuff to the -testing | 21:13 | |
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| lcuk | RST38h, you want to start the game again | 21:15 |
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| RST38h | Not really | 21:16 |
| javispedro | ok | 21:17 |
| javispedro | what the fsck is going on in tmo | 21:17 |
| javispedro | it is driving down the hill _fast_ | 21:17 |
| Firebird | casual smartphone user invasion? | 21:17 |
| javispedro | for sure. but will it fix itself this time? | 21:18 |
| Firebird | offtopic really needs to be removed from active topics list... "Delete me...please (0)...Delete Me (0)" wth? | 21:19 |
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| RST38h | javis: Ocr2009ers + Nov2009ers are ruling the game now | 21:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The guy's doing it because he wants to be banned. Good riddance, I say | 21:20 |
| javispedro | Eternal october. | 21:20 |
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| mikhas | exactly how much worse can t.m.o get? | 21:20 |
| lcuk | someone please make god a super moderator | 21:20 |
| javispedro | well, it has gotten worse enough up to the point i'm going to call it useless | 21:20 |
| mikhas | but it was useless ... nvm | 21:20 |
| javispedro | when someone pms me and doesn't like using tmo to discuss something interesting because "of fear from trolls" | 21:20 |
| RST38h | javis: Well, I can make a suggestion if you want | 21:20 |
| javispedro | then tmo has failed in its job. | 21:21 |
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| Firebird | bleh, it was so much better when everyone was some sort of dev | 21:21 |
| javispedro | it's now sadly useless :( | 21:21 |
| mikhas | eh, just make each post cost .1€ | 21:21 |
| mikhas | then each "thank you" gives back .02€ | 21:21 |
| mikhas | problem solved | 21:21 |
| RST38h | javis: We can create a google group with premoderation, add all the usual suspects as members and continue there | 21:21 |
| lcuk | 1 problem, being an idiot does not mean you are broke | 21:22 |
| lcuk | oh god no | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | javis: Everybody else will be able to read but their messages will go through moderation until one of us adds them as members | 21:22 |
| lcuk | not a google group | 21:22 |
| RST38h | why? | 21:22 |
| mikhas | well, but at least t.m.o would profit from such idiots then | 21:22 |
| lcuk | that takes us one step closer to ummm him | 21:22 |
| RST38h | how? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | from the ML | 21:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You mean, Him? The Tentacled One? | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | no, him the disliked one | 21:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: which one? | 21:23 |
| javispedro | Steve Ballmer? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | the reason i will never use a google group again | 21:23 |
| * lcuk cannot remember his name | 21:23 | |
| * RST38h isn't getting it | 21:23 | |
| lcuk | thankfully | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Brin? | 21:23 |
| Firebird | 8/12 entries in the active topics bar, must be some kind of record | 21:23 |
| lcuk | darius | 21:24 |
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| * lcuk was better not remembering | 21:24 | |
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| javispedro | I don't who he is eitherway ;P | 21:24 |
| range | Okay, can someone drive over and choke him? | 21:24 |
| RST38h | choke whom? | 21:25 |
| javispedro | the idiot troll. | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Just one of them? Why? | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | range: Choke him? Let's all go to his house, shank him, and eat him. | 21:25 |
| javispedro | cause he's opened like, 20 threads in the latest hour | 21:25 |
| lcuk | thats ok | 21:25 |
| lcuk | let him | 21:25 |
| lcuk | he will get bored soon | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | since theres no mods around what else can we do | 21:26 |
| javispedro | let him make tmo more useless, then, when every hope is lost even for eternal october users | 21:26 |
| javispedro | we can go back and try to rebuild from the ashes | 21:26 |
| lcuk | phoenix.maemo.org | 21:27 |
| mikhas | let's nuke it from the orbit ... | 21:27 |
| Firebird | woa, code injection? | 21:27 |
| Firebird | the last topic he made made firefox popup a message box | 21:28 |
| range | Yupp. | 21:28 |
| javispedro | yes | 21:28 |
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| javispedro | we'll see when it gets out | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | mmm | 21:28 |
| Anidel | qwerty12: so if you tell me, I'll put it in Xournal :) | 21:28 |
| lcuk | thats a bit much | 21:28 |
| Firebird | mmm, now tmo won't load | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: Hmm, do you mind having to use dlopen()? | 21:29 |
| Anidel | qwerty12: not at all | 21:29 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: Cool. Let me just clean the example up and I'll give you a link | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | uhoh. tmo hacked? | 21:30 |
| RST38h | moo konttori | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | will someone mail reggie? | 21:30 |
| Anidel | qwerty12: cool,thanks | 21:30 |
| RST38h | Sts: No, why? Just assaulted by idiots | 21:30 |
| mikhas | so NOW we have to nuke it, hah! | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | moderator to t.m.o, spillage in the isle | 21:30 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: script injection may mean password at risk .. | 21:31 |
| javispedro | my guess is vb bug. | 21:31 |
| javispedro | not any kind of injection | 21:31 |
| RST38h | Sts: He has not yet injected anything, just trying it | 21:31 |
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| range | I wonder why his post count isn't rising ... | 21:32 |
| RST38h | Sts: Probably some adolescent idiot, with mental complications from boredom, lack of social life, and the seasonal change | 21:32 |
| javispedro | but hey, sts is right, please mail any mod | 21:32 |
| Firebird | range, Offtopic doesn't count | 21:32 |
| range | Ah! | 21:32 |
| range | Didn't watch where he posts :) | 21:32 |
| Anidel | I've been running 42-12 from a full battery now for uhm.. 4.5 hours always connected to UMTS/3G whatever was available and sharing GPS connection and taking 2 pictures and 2 small videos.. it went down.. 1 thiny bar :D amazing | 21:32 |
| javispedro | qole is online | 21:32 |
| Anidel | *tiny | 21:33 |
| * frals hugs noscript and opens up t.m.o again | 21:33 | |
| RST38h | Anidel: Better power saving has been reported, true | 21:33 |
| Anidel | rst38h: much true :) | 21:34 |
| javispedro | good to hear that | 21:34 |
| wazd | damn, where all these faggots come from | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Anidel: Check the total typical runtime though, I have not yet flashed, interested to know what it is =) | 21:35 |
| javispedro | planet earth. | 21:35 |
| lcuk | improving all the time javispedro, so much so, the n920 wont need a battery at all | 21:35 |
| javispedro | I would like to hear that :) | 21:35 |
| javispedro | up so far, | 21:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The Handle then? | 21:35 |
| mikhas | Anidel, I disabled the automatic wifi lookup to increase battery duration | 21:35 |
| Anidel | rst38h: what do you mean ? | 21:35 |
| Anidel | mihas: I didn't | 21:36 |
| javispedro | m130 had wonderful battery life -> t|x a bit less -> n810 a bit more -> n900 a bit less .... | 21:36 |
| mikhas | but I always forgot to switch off bluetooth =/ | 21:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, extract energy from the envionment and including a tiny sterling engine to get warmth from your hands etc | 21:36 |
| mikhas | it really helps, these constant lookups are expensive | 21:36 |
| lcuk | that would be sweeeeet | 21:36 |
| cehteh | oh .. didnt i saied N910 gets a crank for scrolling .. also for charging :) | 21:37 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt need one for scrolling | 21:37 |
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| javispedro | ah good, the tmo troll is already menacing us "an IP ban" won't be enough | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | what's reggie's mail anyway? | 21:37 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: just emailed him using tmo's profile interface | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:37 |
| lcuk | tho, the n900 has one - Push N900 competition included a real rolodex which when you rolled it around scrolled a contact list | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: reggie A.T internettablettalk.com | 21:38 |
| * Stskeeps thinks moderators needs to use a bit more iron fist soon. can't be true we can't have ordinary threads there. | 21:39 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: I am voting for a blood based fuel cell | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, wish there were a script to ignore all posts by people with join dates post August 2009. | 21:40 |
| * RST38h conveniently remembers the "Hitler: Rise to Power" flick | 21:40 | |
| javispedro | more moderators! more though police! ;) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Ahhahaha, General is reading my and StsKeeps' minds :) | 21:40 |
| javispedro | s/though/thought | 21:41 |
| RST38h | General: Actually it should ignore all posts by people who joined less than 3 months ago | 21:41 |
| RST38h | General: Giving those who stay a chance | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, why is God sending popups? | 21:41 |
| * javispedro votes for iron fist and large trout | 21:41 | |
| RST38h | javis: Premoderation and mandatory anal cavity exam to become a member | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: guess what we're talking about | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 21:42 |
| lcuk | we should not create a super junta of original members and we should be embracing the influx of fucktards and moulding them to our liking rather than ignoring and distancing ourselves from them | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody ban the whole IP block of whatever country that prick resides in. | 21:42 |
| lcuk | what if its yours? | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, all the better! | 21:42 |
| mikhas | no no, he sad ban already | 21:42 |
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| mikhas | said* | 21:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: The keyword is "fucktard" | 21:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It kinda makes your proposal pointless | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, the success rate on efforts like that is extremely low. | 21:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, but feel free to practice your own advice and hop to it. | 21:43 |
| lcuk | no, everyone is screaming for this now cos of one idiot going wayyyy over board | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I don't have that kind of time or patience to waste. | 21:43 |
| lcuk | but you do | 21:43 |
| lcuk | you constantly sit here whining about tmo | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: now everyone hates switzerland.. gaddafi, people liking polanski, and now t.m.o users ;) | 21:44 |
| lcuk | so as much as you hate it you cannot drag yourself away | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, whatever dude. | 21:44 |
| Macer | Woody Harrelson is in 2012 | 21:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles is going to the grocery store. | 21:44 | |
| javispedro | I like the iron fist idea. Clearly, the slider between "useful ------------------- welcoming" has gone way too far to the "welcoming" side | 21:44 |
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| Macer | no kidding | 21:44 |
| Macer | i'm waiting on the destruction | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: An internal blood-glucose based generator with contactless output would be so cool. | 21:45 |
| javispedro | unfortunately, moderator work is not cheap :( | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: ~100W or so output, and you could eat an extra couple of burgers a day. | 21:45 |
| Macer | THE EARTH'S CRUST! it is destabilizing!! | 21:45 |
| RST38h | You won't get 100W I guess | 21:45 |
| wazd | "I am a Christian and God fearing man, but someone has to be kidding, right?" | 21:45 |
| wazd | maaaaaaan | 21:45 |
| javispedro | wazd: and he has an iPhone in the avatar | 21:45 |
| RobertH[AU] | people are pretty touchy on tmo. has it always been like that or just since us new "fucktards" arrived? | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | RobertH[AU]: no, most of you are OK, there's just some idiots :/ | 21:46 |
| RST38h | The second | 21:46 |
| RST38h | You can only endure that many repetitive posts from clueless idiots | 21:47 |
| RobertH[AU] | Stskeeps: yeah i know it's not most of us, good to know that eventually it will settle a bit | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's what i've been saying for quite a while.. we needed to organise to be ready to receive the hordes | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: not really | 21:47 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: hordes do not belong there | 21:48 |
| RST38h | The forum has never been created for them | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, it did not help with the communist cabal accusations :P | 21:48 |
| * lcuk feels better now | 21:48 | |
| lcuk | i just prayed | 21:48 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: The cabal stuff has been goign on for years though | 21:48 |
| lcuk | i havent prayed since i was in infant school | 21:48 |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 21:48 |
| GAN900 | I wish the conspiracy people would just move on. | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: "God at maemo.org, please go away"? | 21:49 |
| javispedro | RST38h: i do not want hordes either but everytime that comes out it seems the net result is that it has to be a user forum or else. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | thats pretty much it | 21:49 |
| javispedro | lol | 21:49 |
| GAN900 | They're pros at leaching positive energy from a community. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34496 | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | those conspiracy people really get on my arse, i have to drive 12 miles out of my way to get to my secret meetings now | 21:50 |
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| javispedro | the community is no longer there. | 21:50 |
| RobertH[AU] | From what I read there, it seems like a lot of people forget that all of the people who work at Nokia actually have their jobs to do. I especially hate those thread's where they demand that Peter respond to them. It is so impolite. | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | RobertH[AU]: that's mostly newcomers doing that | 21:50 |
| RobertH[AU] | Stskeeps: yeah i thought it would be | 21:50 |
| lcuk | RobertH[AU], of course, but what about those where they asked peter to marry them | 21:51 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: hey, don't tar us all with the same brush :P | 21:51 |
| lcuk | it was great then | 21:51 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | there was a -fairly- respectful atmosphere before, but with the occasional exceptions | 21:51 |
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| RobertH[AU] | lcuk: i did like the "peter is so hot" tag on the old shipping thread :) | 21:51 |
| pwnguin | does the n900 have a front facing webcam? | 21:51 |
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| * GAN900 was on the receiving end of that often enough. ;) | 21:52 | |
| pwnguin | i was under the impression that was no, but http://www.starryhope.com/nokia-n900/2009/15-ways-nokias-n900-is-better-than-apples-iphone-and-5-ways-its-not/ says yes... | 21:52 |
| RobertH[AU] | pwnguin: yes, but not much support is implemented in software ATM | 21:52 |
| lcuk | theres good things in everything | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | there's really no moderators that can do something about 'God'? :P | 21:52 |
| lcuk | this rabble will quieten down | 21:52 |
| javispedro | the worst part is that tmo was so near getting more nokians' posts, and now I wonder why qgil keeps posting there. | 21:52 |
| lcuk | its just a shitstorm, and every site has them | 21:52 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: yeah.. | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: qgil has amazing patience. | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | also, he's getting paid to do it | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | which probably helps | 21:53 |
| javispedro | heh | 21:53 |
| w00t_ | getting paid to do it is one thing | 21:54 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showgroups.php | 21:54 |
| w00t_ | managing to remain that stoic is amazing | 21:54 |
| javispedro | theoretically, lardman should be able to ban someone? | 21:54 |
| * Stskeeps pokes lardman with a stick | 21:54 | |
| lcuk | qole is online | 21:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Use the Nokia-issued blakc helicopter then! | 21:54 |
| javispedro | the Ninja team? | 21:55 |
| javispedro | true! | 21:55 |
| lcuk | good ide | 21:55 |
| lcuk | a | 21:55 |
| Dantonic | omg this guy with the script... | 21:55 |
| lcuk | as is wazd | 21:55 |
| Ceron^ | 6. Built-in GPS Routing Software (no extra charge) | 21:55 |
| Ceron^ | The N900 comes with turn by turn GPS routing at no extra charge. No need to buy or download extra software. Maps and routing are provided by Nokia’s Ovi service. | 21:55 |
| Ceron^ | thats bullshit :P | 21:55 |
| `0660 | does lardman work for nokia? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | wazd you are a moderator, moderate him | 21:55 |
| Ceron^ | you hafto pay for it to be used for routing | 21:55 |
| RST38h | we need lardman, where is lardman | 21:55 |
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| javispedro | I think mods can't ban | 21:55 |
| Ceron^ | it wont give instructions | 21:55 |
| javispedro | at least they can't in phpBB | 21:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: He can only moderate the guy in Design | 21:55 |
| RobertH[AU] | http://noscript.net/getit might be helpful for now | 21:55 |
| lcuk | ahh | 21:55 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: where 'moderate' implies 'castrate' or 'sterilise'? | 21:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: Can't ban anyone | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | `0660: no | 21:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: I'm a good cop :D | 21:56 |
| lcuk | hah ok | 21:56 |
| Dantonic | wait wait... Ceron^ what is that statement you made? is that a fact about the N900 or a wish? | 21:56 |
| pwnguin | its a quote from the link i posted | 21:56 |
| `0660 | good, the person who would be banning people better not work for nokia :) | 21:56 |
| RobertH[AU] | well he has "thanks", maybe his account was hacked? if you look back the user "God" joined on oct 28 and has made actual posts | 21:57 |
| Dantonic | pwnguin, that's not accurate is it? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | `0660: fwiw, maemo.org does include nokia employees who spend their free time on the forums as well | 21:58 |
| Ceron^ | Dantonic: my statement was that they say it comes no no extra charge for routing | 21:58 |
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| Ceron^ | thats wrong | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | `0660: any sane soul knows that unjusitifed banning would cause the worst marketing disaster.. | 21:58 |
| thephilosopher | hi | 21:58 |
| pupnik_ | n900 yields less RSI stress than N810 keyboard for me! | 21:58 |
| Dantonic | that's what I thought Ceron^ | 21:58 |
| thephilosopher | does maemo5 have something like offline maps ? | 21:58 |
| Dantonic | just checking | 21:58 |
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| serenity | hi | 21:58 |
| thephilosopher | no ? | 21:59 |
| Dantonic | well let's just hope that gnuite gets maemo-mapper going better than ever | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: yes, depending on where you bought it | 21:59 |
| Dantonic | :) | 21:59 |
| `0660 | some forums have a set of rules, which helps to decide who to ban | 21:59 |
| serenity | i'm using maemo in scratchbox. I'm i allowed to publish videos/screencasts of it, concerning Nokias EULA | 21:59 |
| thephilosopher | Stskeeps: i dont have one , i am still hesitating with the droid | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | serenity: i highly doubt you'll have an issue with that | 22:00 |
| thephilosopher | Stskeeps: does the maps app have public transportation info ? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: not sure.. i personally like openstreetmaps | 22:01 |
| pwnguin | Dantonic: i posted the link to ask how reliable it was. so far the answer is "not very" | 22:01 |
| pupnik_ | serenity, if your screencast is to show how much it sucks, maybe not. | 22:01 |
| serenity | Stskeeps: is advertisement for nokia, sure. But i dunno if there is a paragraph | 22:01 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 22:01 |
| lcuk | that is the first time in the history of t.m.o that i have seen unity | 22:01 |
| * Anidel nods | 22:01 | |
| Stskeeps | serenity: i don't think so. read tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula ? | 22:01 |
| RobertH[AU] | ahhh well, night all. It's 4 am here! | 22:01 |
| pupnik_ | on what, lcuk? | 22:01 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: hahaha | 22:01 |
| lcuk | god bein a wanker | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | serenity: and frankly a lot of people would have been sued if that was so.. | 22:02 |
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| javispedro | even though nokia could claim copyright | 22:02 |
| javispedro | on any video showing their closed GUI stuff etc | 22:02 |
| javispedro | AFAIU, since IANAL. | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | serenity: is it for a commercial purpose? | 22:02 |
| serenity | Stskeeps: no, just to show off | 22:02 |
| pupnik_ | like Ford Motors threatening an owners club for posting pictures of their cars in the net | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | serenity: then i think you should be OK.. the nitpicking issue would be artwork | 22:03 |
| pupnik_ | i think ford even won a court case | 22:03 |
| thephilosopher | Stskeeps: what is the name of the map app.. i will google it | 22:03 |
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| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: ovi maps | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: keep in mind that there are alternatives from community | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | so you aren't locked to that app | 22:03 |
| pwnguin | pupnik_: video game screenshots are apparently copyrighted by the game maker | 22:03 |
| pupnik_ | right, clearly, but there is fair use | 22:04 |
| lcuk | in which country? | 22:04 |
| javispedro | yeah, at least here we don't have fair use. | 22:04 |
| Dantonic | man Ovi needs to compete with googlemaps on android don't you think? | 22:04 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 22:04 |
| Dantonic | can they stay afloat with their navigation model? | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: You tell that to Nokia | 22:05 |
| javispedro | (and that's the reason the spanish wikipedia is nearly stripped of any image) | 22:05 |
| thephilosopher | Stskeeps: dont get wrong but usually community apps sucks | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Telling this to us is somewhat academic | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: in this particular case, ovi maps suck more.. | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:05 |
| Dantonic | RST38h, I'm just asking for your opinion I'm not telling you... hence "... don't you think?" | 22:05 |
| pwnguin | i haven't seen ovi, but my general impression is that vendor supplied software typically sucks | 22:05 |
| * javispedro kisses his N810 for no reason | 22:06 | |
| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: but you probably wouldn't get a objective opinion about community software here :P | 22:06 |
| pupnik_ | n810 feels incomperable. dunno if such a device will come again soon | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: And can you guess my opinion? =) | 22:06 |
| Dantonic | thephilosopher, I felt the same first impact: Community software sucks. But I've since changed my mind | 22:06 |
| pwnguin | it was pretty smart of google to hand out gps trackers to taxis for their ride finder service | 22:06 |
| lcuk | javispedro, rule 34 | 22:06 |
| Dantonic | RST38h, I can guess yes. | 22:07 |
| pwnguin | now they have road traces for big cities | 22:07 |
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| pupnik_ | pwnguin: owch, d'oh.. yes | 22:07 |
| Dantonic | thephilosopher, it's often not as polished as it could be... but very functional | 22:07 |
| javispedro | lcuk: (had to look that up) lol | 22:07 |
| * Shapeshifter wants google maps navigation on his future n900 in Switzerland | 22:07 | |
| * Shapeshifter thinks it's a bit much to ask right now. | 22:07 | |
| lcuk | can google maps help me when i go in ikea, or when im at a conference in strange room layouts? | 22:07 |
| pwnguin | heh | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: i hope you're not God ;) | 22:07 |
| lcuk | can it help me for mining tunnels? | 22:07 |
| Dantonic | that's what maemo-mapper is for lcuk !! | 22:07 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: *exactly*, and that is why it is academic :) | 22:08 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: I'm not. saw his ramblings on the forums | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: maemo mapper looks up using google maps :P | 22:08 |
| lcuk | can it help when i need to know where the 770,800,810,900 rooms at the summit? | 22:08 |
| Shapeshifter | what's up whith him >.> | 22:08 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, yes i agree | 22:08 |
| pupnik_ | with topolÃogcal data, one could estimate e-bike range on n900 | 22:08 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: interesting. | 22:08 |
| Dantonic | sorry I stated the obvious huh? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | but i dont think we need to copy google maps to do something better | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: i'll pay 5 euro if you go bash him in the head | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | I was always expecting the n900 to be like 2 months late. It's to be expected. | 22:08 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 22:08 |
| serenity | we have a good alternative: osm | 22:09 |
| lcuk | i keep taking photos of adhoc maps around my vicinity | 22:09 |
| range | Stskeeps: Let's start a collection | 22:09 |
| lcuk | local knowledge > internet crap | 22:09 |
| range | Shapeshifter: Want to get rich? | 22:09 |
| pupnik_ | OSM! | 22:09 |
| Shapeshifter | range: :D | 22:09 |
| w00t_ | hahaha | 22:09 |
| Dantonic | lcuk not copy, but some functionalities that google maps has are very nice... and I believe essential to compete.. Like turn by turn of course... and even voice activation which could mature very nicely on android and iphone | 22:09 |
| w00t_ | yes, I'd put £10 into that fund | 22:09 |
| w00t_ | anyone got contacts in switzerland? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | turn by turn has existed forever | 22:09 |
| w00t_ | :) | 22:09 |
| lcuk | and isnt a problem | 22:09 |
| lcuk | google has voice maps | 22:09 |
| javispedro | TBH, God as a troll is deceiving me. I give him 2 / 10 points. | 22:09 |
| javispedro | I've seen worse ones. | 22:10 |
| lcuk | but that as i say doesnt help when i need maps the most | 22:10 |
| lcuk | ie in conf buildings with no gps | 22:10 |
| Dantonic | hey howcome you guys never posted any video samples for download taken with the N900? I want to see the quality ov the video first hand, not on youtube. :P | 22:10 |
| RST38h | points for what? | 22:10 |
| javispedro | RST38h: evilness. | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: ping | 22:10 |
| lcuk | find new strengths and opportunities | 22:10 |
| javispedro | "trollness" | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | 'Because you are f u c k i n g disrupting a community by being a f u c k t a r d and a stupid a s s h o l e. ' | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | where's the thanks button | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: That is only because you have not searched well enough | 22:10 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: Having said that, video recording is not very good, it stutters | 22:11 |
| RST38h | Maybe next firmware... | 22:11 |
| Dantonic | RST38h, possibly I've searched extensively though... I've found 1 video sample from Tnkgrl and that's it | 22:11 |
| Dantonic | ah ok | 22:11 |
| Dantonic | RST38h, ok I wanted to verify that | 22:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Actually, he WANTS you to react like that | 22:11 |
| pwnguin | wonder why it stutters | 22:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Trolls feed on exactly this kind of behavior | 22:11 |
| range | Yeah, sorry I exploded there. | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: probably.. | 22:11 |
| thephilosopher | Dantonic: i am a big fan of the opensource movement but we have to admit that usuability wise there are not the best | 22:11 |
| pwnguin | too much IO, too much CPU, or just random jitter on capture? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | range: nah, i felt the same :P | 22:12 |
| javispedro | Reggie online | 22:12 |
| javispedro | say goodbye | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | yay | 22:12 |
| mikkov__ | switching to Classic style filters the javascript | 22:12 |
| pwnguin | thephilosopher: compared to what? | 22:12 |
| lcuk | lol @ reggie not managing to get to his console cos of 400 popups | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: The best way to behave is never even acknowledge that the troll exists | 22:12 |
| Dantonic | thephilosopher, yes not as user friendly I agree | 22:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh, I don't see the point in answering most of the topics on the forums. I don't see why people actually bother answering to inane questions like those | 22:12 |
| lcuk | i havent seen any popups either | 22:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Makes 'e absolutely mad | 22:12 |
| lcuk | black style | 22:12 |
| lcuk | whatever its called | 22:12 |
| pwnguin | thephilosopher: there's a wide diversity of open source projects, just as with closed source projects. | 22:13 |
| Dantonic | Are there any libraries available for voice recognition? could that be implemented on maemo-mapper? | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: ah, yes, :Pthe good thing about maemo.org projects is that we have talented designers helping out | 22:13 |
| thephilosopher | pwnguin: yes but i am talking about the general tendency | 22:14 |
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| RST38h | Dantonic: Yes there are. Yes it could. | 22:14 |
| pwnguin | thephilosopher: you say you're generalizing, but i think the general tendency of closed commercial software is just as bad | 22:14 |
| Shapeshifter | also, the n900 again got cheaper here :) Now at ~466 euros | 22:14 |
| cehteh | where? | 22:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | Switzerland. And the contract I'm going to purchase also got cheaper. | 22:15 |
| pwnguin | ie, you're holding google / apple as representatives, and comparing it to some crappy GPL'd tcl app | 22:15 |
| Shapeshifter | Quite lucky. | 22:15 |
| lcuk | thephilosopher, early in december, there is a maemo long weekend with a specific UX meets code hackfest emphasis. | 22:15 |
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| Dantonic | RST38h, really??! Is gnuite willing to share the effort in regards to that? (Sorry I'm not a programmer) so that others in the community might get in on it... | 22:15 |
| cehteh | damn i dont want a swiss keybaord :P | 22:15 |
| Dantonic | unless he's already working on it :P | 22:15 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: ^^ | 22:15 |
| lcuk | some of Nokias heaviest UX designers will be on hand to liase with the open source community to devise and help with maemo related OSS projects | 22:15 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend | 22:15 |
| Shapeshifter | cehteh: paint them all black. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: Maemo Mapper sources are open afaik | 22:16 |
| lcuk | what you say about a general tendency is true, but Nokia are firmly ontop of this and are on hand to help out | 22:16 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: So? | 22:16 |
| cehteh | hehe .. well swiss keyboard are the worst ones for a german, familar but slightly off enough to confuse one completely .. | 22:16 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 22:16 |
| cehteh | but i dont know if they localized the n900 for swiss | 22:16 |
| Shapeshifter | "damn where's the "!" ?!?!" | 22:16 |
| serenity | rumour: when android 2.0 with turn-by-turn navigation is available in more than 5 countries, nokia will offer ovi maps navigation also for free | 22:17 |
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| Dantonic | RST38h, "So?" about what? | 22:17 |
| flounder | On a N900 would it be possible to block data transfer across the cell network and only allow it when connect to wifi? This way you could have a standard cell plan (no data) and only do data transfer when connected to wifi which is available most everywhere now? | 22:17 |
| lcuk | flounder, sure | 22:17 |
| Shapeshifter | still, google navigation with street view enabled is uber-sweet | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: So, you are volunteering to add voice recognition to Maeom Mapper or what? | 22:17 |
| lcuk | just dont configure the 3g data side | 22:17 |
| lcuk | i had a normal sim that wouldnt connect properly | 22:17 |
| Dantonic | RST38h, well what could I do to help? | 22:18 |
| Shapeshifter | at least, it looks like that. But I wonder how the bandwidth on a phone should keep up with downloading street view images. | 22:18 |
| lcuk | i could call and sms but no data for ages | 22:18 |
| flounder | lcuk, thanks for the info. | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, reggie started deleting script threads | 22:18 |
| w00t_ | reggie++ | 22:18 |
| Dantonic | Shapeshifter, well so far on maemo-mapper it keeps up fine... | 22:19 |
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| RST38h | Dantonic: Whip out the Scratchbox and start coding? | 22:19 |
| pwnguin | on a related data plan note, does network-manager have scripting hooks, for say "after wifi connects"? | 22:19 |
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| pwnguin | my employer runs a retarded wifi gateway over http | 22:19 |
| Dantonic | Shapeshifter, even when I used to get google maps on it, would download in real time no prob... edge is a little slower but still fine... | 22:19 |
| serenity | what is the right place to annouce a translation fault? | 22:19 |
| RST38h | serenity: bugs.maemo.org | 22:20 |
| Dantonic | RST38h, well I'm not a programmer, wouldn't know where to start | 22:20 |
| cehteh | well i ordered a n900 for 498,99 or so at mp3-player.de .. if it is sufficently cheaper somewhere else and deliverable i just cancel the preorder | 22:20 |
| pwnguin | all traffic is blocked until you auth, except for http which is redirected to the gateway | 22:20 |
| Dantonic | but I am taking an intro to C class right now :) | 22:20 |
| Dantonic | maybe soon! | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: Then it made no sense for you to inquire whether it could be done | 22:20 |
| thephilosopher | can ovi maps be used offline | 22:20 |
| Shapeshifter | Dantonic: I mean street view | 22:20 |
| Shapeshifter | not just the maps | 22:20 |
| Dantonic | RST38h, why is that? | 22:20 |
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| Dantonic | Shapeshifter, I see | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | thephilosopher: yes, the internal MMC comes with maps | 22:21 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: Because independently on whether the source code available or not, you can't do anything useful with it | 22:21 |
| DantonicN800 | so i'm not allowed to make suggestions unless i can make them happen? | 22:22 |
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| pwnguin | first lesson in open source: suggestions are worthless. patches are priceless. | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Mmm, I guess you could ask that question differently | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Dantonic: You could ask "Is there anyone willing to add voice recognition to Maemo Mapper?" | 22:23 |
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| RST38h | Dantonic: And then answer to this question is "no". | 22:23 |
| DantonicN800 | all right sure | 22:23 |
| pwnguin | DantonicN800: if you're a student, you might consider summer of code | 22:23 |
| * pwnguin wonders if maemo is a SoC project | 22:24 | |
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| DantonicN800 | pwnguin, whats that? and I'm a student part time, still have to work a full time job | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | pwnguin: we parcticipated in gsoc, yeah | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Otherwise, anyone can make suggestions. I can suggest flying to Jupiter for deuterium for example, but what use is my suggestion to anyone? | 22:25 |
| pwnguin | DantonicN800: google hosts a summer open source internship | 22:25 |
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| pwnguin | google funds the money, and the open source projects handle the managment and work | 22:26 |
| DantonicN800 | RST38h, is this how you greet anyone that comes in here with a suggestion? | 22:26 |
| pwnguin | RST38h: maybe nobody thought of deuterium powered jupitor flights before! | 22:26 |
| DantonicN800 | pwnguin, sounds interesting, but i probably wouldn't have the time, unless I get laid off. | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | DantonicN800: I believe he is giving you what they call a "reality check" | 22:27 |
| DantonicN800 | ya i got that. | 22:27 |
| pwnguin | DantonicN800: marat's point is that good ideas aren't that hard to come up with, but finding someone with the time, money and skill is difficult | 22:28 |
| pwnguin | yes, voice recognition is neat. obviously so | 22:28 |
| DantonicN800 | I see | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Onboard voice recognition and storing of inbound voice. | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | A call you are screening pops up as closed caption on the bottom of your desktop | 22:29 |
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| pwnguin | DantonicN800: there's an old aesop fable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_the_cat | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And text searchability of all voice calls. | 22:30 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: congrats, my monitor is now covered in pepsi | 22:35 |
| lcuk | :D hahaha | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | what would you do that for? | 22:35 |
| DantonicN800 | pwnguin, well, one of my first statements was that I am not a programmer. as far as I am concerned the creation of maemomapper is an impossible task. I have basically no understanding of how libraries work, and i've guessed they are like subroutines of code with certain functionality (the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented.) So it didn't sound unrealistic to me that people who can code something such as MM could implement somethin | 22:35 |
| DantonicN800 | g like that. | 22:35 |
| pwnguin | nobody said it was impossible | 22:35 |
| pwnguin | you're taking an intro to C course? | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | DantonicN800, you type way too much to say nothing | 22:36 |
| pwnguin | hah | 22:36 |
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| crashanddie | pwnguin, you're flame bait, get out | 22:36 |
| DantonicN800 | you catch my drift | 22:36 |
| DantonicN800 | ya intro to c | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: oh dear | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, tuesday, what time and where? | 22:37 |
| thephilosopher | ok so ovi maps a available offline that great new | 22:37 |
| DantonicN800 | crashanddie, ? | 22:37 |
| lcuk | dont know dont know | 22:37 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: it's official, I've finally lost my sanity :P | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10 days? | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reggie's a whimp. | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you cannot ban god forever. seriously dude, whaat if you need him | 22:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't believe in god. | 22:38 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, just wait for him to re-invent the universe? | 22:38 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | What if you're an Atheist? =) | 22:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, I mean, that's like second coming anyway, no? | 22:39 |
| lcuk | would take a while | 22:39 |
| lcuk | i havent got enough jaffa cackes to last | 22:39 |
| pwnguin | DantonicN800: a library is just a program that's mixed in with another one later, by the linker. it takes time to learn what subroutines are available, and come up with a plan to integrate it with the app in question. | 22:39 |
| lcuk | cakes even | 22:39 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, most people are not atheist, they're agnostics, or their "ahaven'tthoughtaboutit" | 22:39 |
| DantonicN800 | pwnguin, ok ty | 22:39 |
| lcuk | pwnguin, or you just just bash everything together, make sure it compiles, then ship it | 22:39 |
| crashanddie | s/their/they're/ | 22:39 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: qwerty12_N810, most people are not atheist, they're agnostics, or they're "ahaven'tthoughtaboutit" | 22:39 |
| pwnguin | heh | 22:39 |
| * Hydroxide idly wonders whether it's really true that NokiaUSA.com hasn't shipped yet to people who have preordered with the BH-703 headset bundle from early september ... | 22:40 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: lol | 22:40 |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, why would they have shipped before others? | 22:40 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie: eh? I don't understand the response | 22:40 |
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| crashanddie | Hydroxide, why would nokiausa.com have shipped before any other website? | 22:41 |
| pwnguin | crashanddie: as i understand it, if you bill a credit card you have 30 days to deliver or it's basically fraud | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: not true. | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | pwnguin, bollocks | 22:41 |
| pwnguin | maybe nokia didnt bill until they shipped | 22:41 |
| jebbajeb | pwnguin: well, they likely haven't charged the cards yet... | 22:41 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie: in theory Nokia has started shipping from the factories in korea to stores and distributors and such. I think nokia has some exclusivity before others get it. but that's not actually related to what my question was | 22:41 |
| lcuk | they have 30 days to ship it if that was the terms of the product you purchased | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: If you explicitly explain to th user what's happening, and give them the opportinity to cancel, they can ship years later | 22:41 |
| lcuk | if you buy a product that says "will be delivered at the end of time" | 22:41 |
| pwnguin | SpeedEvil: on a credit card? | 22:42 |
| lcuk | then thats what you are buying | 22:42 |
| DantonicN800 | Hydroxide, what he means is don't ask questions he thinks are stupid | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | pwnguin: If you say 'it's in stock' - they have to deliver within 30 days. | 22:42 |
| Hydroxide | DantonicN800: heh | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | has Nokia shipped anywhere yet (or any of the resellers)? | 22:42 |
| jebbajeb | both my nokiausa and amazon orders are still listed as "preorders" fwiw | 22:42 |
| Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer: nokia has definitely shipped from the factory. that's in an official press release. | 22:42 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, no, if the site has a 30 day term and they break it then yeah | 22:42 |
| pwnguin | SpeedEvil: perhaps you can explain this to open pandora's lawyers | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (the UK nokia store has not - for me at least - reported that they are shipping my order on the 20th. | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, press release or blog post? | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | of the 20th of Oct | 22:42 |
| Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer: the question is what destinations have been directly or indirectly shipped to | 22:42 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie: both | 22:43 |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, link? | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | They have also not taken my card money | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: There is a shipment crossing the alps by elephant right now. | 22:43 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1353921 for example | 22:43 |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, thanks | 22:43 |
| Hydroxide | which seens to redirect to http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1353921 | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hydroxide: I know the fab has moved sme containers.My question though has been "has any user received his payed device yet" | 22:44 |
| Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer: right, and I'm somewhat wondering the same thing | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | paid* | 22:44 |
| lcuk | if the pizza shop tell you its on its way, the pizza is on its way | 22:44 |
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| * lcuk is hungry | 22:45 | |
| Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer: but I was more specifically hearing that people like me who preordered when they were still doing the BH-703 bluetooth headset bundle might have their orders held until they decide to call you and offer you options, since the headset is supposedly not compatible with the N900 | 22:45 |
| jebbajeb | DocScrutinizer: i haven't heard of anyone yet. | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, true, people really shouldn't be looking at the dough factory to know when the pizza will be ready | 22:45 |
| Anidel | qwerty12: pong | 22:45 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:45 | |
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| * Anidel nods as well | 22:45 | |
| w00t_ | I don't quite understand the impatience now | 22:45 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie, lcuk: except brightpoint/nokiausa is very bad about giving accurate indications in that regard, even historically | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, if that was your question, you seriously need to take writing classes ffs | 22:45 |
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| w00t_ | I mean it was fine to be impatient when there was -no- information | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: http://qwerty12.qole.org/sharing-dialog-example.c (flickr upload tested using it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/44707753@N08/4103951220/). First argument is your OSSO Context, second is the window you wish to make the dialog transient to, and the third is a URI to your file. I haven't tried giving it a "normal" path, though | 22:46 |
| * lcuk offers Anidel a slice | 22:46 | |
| w00t_ | but now they're on their way, that's really all that you need to know | 22:46 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie: I disagree, but let's not get into an argument about that | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, bonus point if you manage to actually get the code off it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4073311027/ | 22:46 |
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| * Anidel thanks qwerty12 ;) | 22:47 | |
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| Hydroxide | w00t_: the reason I'm impatient is that they haven't even changed my order status since mid-september and not one person has even reported their status changing from "in progress" to "shipping" or otherwise receiving a tracking number yet, four days after the PR and five to seven days after rumors say they left the factory | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: lol. I couldn't care less about where my device is ATM. I just want to know when I'm supposed to be at home to catch the packet before it drops to my neighbour | 22:48 |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: they're doing a horrible job at communicating, IOW | 22:48 |
| w00t_ | Hydroxide: why? | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, dude, are you thick or what? | 22:48 |
| * Anidel loves the dirty, dirty as well | 22:48 | |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, from factory to reseller does not mean it's shipping to your ass! | 22:48 |
| w00t_ | what he said | 22:48 |
| Hydroxide | crashanddie: I realize that. | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | Hydroxide, then stop fucking moaning about it | 22:49 |
| * Hydroxide sets crashanddie on ignore but continues to engage with those who aren't insulting him | 22:49 | |
| w00t_ | so, when your order status changes, then it's on the way to you | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: You're gonna have to fundamentally just shut up and wait. | 22:49 |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: I realize that too | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: Or cancel your order. Or go on a killing spree. | 22:49 |
| * Hydroxide sets speedevil on ignore too | 22:49 | |
| crashanddie | lol | 22:49 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if we can get him to ignore everyone. | 22:50 | |
| crashanddie | oh yeah, that's a loss SpeedEvil! | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil, our lives are going to be so empty | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | fragile, shallow | 22:50 |
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| w00t_ | Hydroxide: don't get me wrong, I'm impatient, I just really don't see how they can really communicate more than they have.. they've said they're on the way to retailers, presumably, once retailers have them, they'll be able to tell you roughly when you'll get them | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | what shall we do without Hydroxide in our lives? | 22:50 |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: look ... I'm not expecting any special treatment here. I am just saying that nokia is doing a horrible job of communicating - for example, many people have reported on nokiausa forums that they have been told by nokiausa sales reps that the phones are shipping to preorder customers already | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Be more acidic? | 22:50 |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: and yet none of them have a tracking number | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia customer sales reps lie a lot. As do all reps. | 22:51 |
| w00t_ | Hydroxide: nokia usa is not run by nokia, so that's not nokia's problem strictly speaing | 22:51 |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: some people were also called specifically about this compatibility issue | 22:51 |
| crashanddie | so you'll get another headset, what's the big deal? | 22:52 |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: they outsource their customer service, but nokia is definitely responsible for what they say, just like my employer is responsible for what the outsourced portion of our customer service says | 22:52 |
| * crashanddie loathes Nokia for making the N900 more appealing to idiots like Hydroxide | 22:52 | |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: it's not nokia's fault at first, but it's nokia's fault if they don't re-educate their outsourcing partner's staff | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear, please take this to talk.* :P | 22:52 |
| Hydroxide | w00t_: they need to give them the right things to say | 22:52 |
| crashanddie | qgil: WHHYY?? | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | crashanddie: I think you could probably word things a little more productively | 22:52 |
| crashanddie | w00t_, am I not on ignore? | 22:53 |
| crashanddie | w00t_, also, please observe | 22:53 |
| w00t_ | crashanddie: not for me, even if you are for him | 22:53 |
| * Hydroxide is really stunned that people aren't accepting of constructive criticism here, and acquiesces to the decision. bye - feel free to /msg me if you want to continue the discussion - will remove all /ignore's | 22:53 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, have you ever asked me to watch my language, all good friend that you are to me? | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | uhm, there's no qgil here ;p | 22:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh. you're just all on edge because you haven't received your most desired drug yet. | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | chill. have some tee. | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | actually, is there any of the usual irc club that hasn't asked me to watch my language? | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | Shapeshifter, actually, the majority of people in that discussion have an n900 ;) | 22:54 |
| Chani | er... my n900 is only listing my skype-skype contacts... not my skype-phone contacts | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | crashanddie: :'( | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | you make me sad | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | :P | 22:54 |
| Chani | anyone know how to make a call to a real phone with hte n900's skype? | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Not me. But that's because I love to swear | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Chani: through the phone interface | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, I thought you how to swear, bitch :P | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | taught? | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | Chani: if it doesn't pull skype-phone contacts, report it as a bug | 22:55 |
| crashanddie | damn my english skills are low... I'm going australian already! | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Thank God you did not teach me English | 22:55 |
| w00t_ | apparantly someone needs to teach you how to spell :P | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | enough of God tonight | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | : | 22:55 |
| crashanddie | aye, aye | 22:55 |
| Chani | Stskeeps: it doesn't. :( | 22:55 |
| crashanddie | BTW, qwerty12_N810 I might just be moving to Oz! | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | Chani: but anyway, just go to phone, click dialing pad, click Call type: your skype account | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Serious? | 22:56 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, aye | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | NOOOOO! Why? *facepalm* | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chani: for the make-a-call, what about just type in the number? | 22:56 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, cuz I got a kickass job offer/promotion? | 22:56 |
| * Chani tries... | 22:56 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: But on the other hand, you've got Australia | 22:56 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 hides | 22:56 | |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, 32C at the moment | 22:57 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, have you seen our weather today? | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Good point | 22:57 |
| w00t_ | Chani: you seem to lurk far too many of the same places as me, btw | 22:57 |
| w00t_ | (hi) | 22:57 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Aww, w00t_ has a stalker | 22:58 |
| Chani | hehe | 22:58 |
| lcuk | but moving to oz/nz means you will be in danger from man eating spiders | 22:58 |
| lcuk | ahhhh my mistake, you are a girl so you are safe :P | 22:58 |
| w00t_ | qwerty12_N810: I have many stalkers, and I am stalking many people in return :-) | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | w00t_: I'm not sure whether I should laugh or run :p | 22:58 |
| w00t_ | don't run, unless you see the shadows moving more than they should | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | w00t_, nice balance in your life | 22:59 |
| pupnik_ | can i search skype names with N900? | 22:59 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik_, Skype only has one name "Skype" | 22:59 |
| Chani | grr. it keeps telling me "incorrect address" | 22:59 |
| pupnik_ | can i search skype user names with N900? | 22:59 |
| Chani | it's not an address, it's a phone number! | 22:59 |
| Chani | also, I can't figure out how to type + on the phonead, I always get * | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | Chani, try 00 | 23:00 |
| pupnik_ | ty crashanddie. laziness is an enemy | 23:00 |
| Chani | oh, doubleclick | 23:00 |
| lcuk | <3 unlimited texts | 23:00 |
| pupnik_ | you have a problem when you are too lazy to even type your question accurately. | 23:00 |
| lcuk | sending 1 word per text rocks | 23:01 |
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| * JosefAssad looks in the scrollback buffer and sees that the "why hasn't it shipped yet" whining has spilled over into irc | 23:01 | |
| lcuk | its like a jigsaw for the recipient! | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | JosefAssad, sadly, it has | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Getting a two word reply back from the recipent is even more fun! | 23:01 |
| javispedro | why hasn't the 3D drivers shipped yet! | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, you could go scrabble and send one letter per text | 23:01 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +i | 23:01 |
| lcuk | i tried that yesterday | 23:01 |
| lcuk | she shouted | 23:01 |
| Chani | I thought it *had* shipped? | 23:02 |
| javispedro | btw lcuk the resistive beach is brilliant :) | 23:02 |
| w00t_ | JosefAssad: if you think that was whining.. dear, dear god ;) | 23:02 |
| lcuk | ;) javispedro | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, did you answer "SORRY HUN, YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT WORD WITH THOSE LETTERS" | 23:02 |
| Chani | which scares me, as the one I've got here has a heck of a lot of bugs | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | ? | 23:02 |
| JosefAssad | w00t_: I don't want to know. Serious :) | 23:02 |
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| Chani | also: voicemail is lame. | 23:02 |
| * Chani sulks | 23:02 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, spiders could be dangerous | 23:02 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, the recipient loved it and didnt actually care what it said. the phone was buzzing all night long | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, but on the other hand, I don't need to think about kids anymore, I'll just get a wombat at some point | 23:03 |
| lcuk | ahhh going up the evolutionary ladder i see | 23:03 |
| w00t_ | JosefAssad: I'm not going to tell. Just that t.m.o has been ..insane.. (and I'm speaking as a relative newcomer). I've been equally guilty of this, but I think there are some people around that need some -serious- help. ;) | 23:04 |
| crashanddie | well, I'm staying at the same place on evolution, going up on corporate, but my genes however are very quickly becoming extinct | 23:04 |
| * javispedro has an idea | 23:04 | |
| crashanddie | actually, qwerty12_N810's genes are probably going down the drain faster than mine | 23:05 |
| lcuk | nahhh w00t_ sometimes it takes an extreme case to bring calm | 23:05 |
| lcuk | like a birufcation | 23:05 |
| lcuk | bifurcation | 23:05 |
| w00t_ | like god, you mean? | 23:05 |
| w00t_ | that seems to have made everyone else seem positively sane | 23:05 |
| lcuk | perhaps | 23:05 |
| javispedro | hey, can anyone send me certain line of the n900's mce.ini ? I want my N810's LED to light blue when charging :) | 23:05 |
| * lcuk nods | 23:05 | |
| javispedro | s/blue/orange | 23:05 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: http://s45.radikal.ru/i110/0911/ac/4f318fb6ffa7.png | 23:05 |
| lcuk | wazd you are running this app arent you | 23:05 |
| lcuk | as in not just designing it in psp or whatever? | 23:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~wazd++ | 23:06 |
| wazd | lcuk: erm, no :) | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | wazd, I say that's a fake | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | wazd, you're good with photo editors, and there's no way you're downloading at 2megs per sec in russia | 23:06 |
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| wazd | crashanddie: well, I can, from russian trackers in fact :P | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | wazd, looks good though | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: heh FR fan, huh? | 23:07 |
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| javispedro | Not really, just think that Orange is the perfect color for that :) | 23:08 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: I was thinking to move play/pause to the pop-up too | 23:08 |
| javispedro | and then I'll use green for something else | 23:08 |
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| pwnguin | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shop-mate/ <-- anyone tried this? | 23:09 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Pop-up? Sorry | 23:11 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: making up a shot right now :) | 23:12 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: wish my brain had a print screen function :D | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :D | 23:12 |
| pupnik_ | n900 video has glitches in exposure compensation, and seeming focus probs. | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazd: HDMI interface | 23:13 |
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| jebbajeb | woo hoo! just built my first test .deb in a scratchbox :) | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | jebbajeb, nice work | 23:16 |
| Stskeeps | jebbajeb: welcome to a new level of insanity | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | jebbajeb: you're still talking coherantly | 23:17 |
| w00t_ | are you sure you did? | 23:17 |
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| crashanddie | that's probably the geekiest metaphor ever: "Can I build my deb in your scratchbox?" | 23:17 |
| Shapeshifter | :D | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ping | 23:18 |
| pwnguin | surely scratchbox isn't much more than a crosscompiler; you haven experienced real pain until a vendor ships a custom gcc, patched to accept $'s in var names, because they're too silly to use _ | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | pwnguin: it's lot's worse than that.. | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:19 |
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| w00t_ | there is a *reason* Stskeeps moved to the home of vodka | 23:20 |
| pwnguin | qemu, arm, chroot, pbuild, upload and bam | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | pwnguin: and wait 3 days on Qt? naah. | 23:21 |
| pwnguin | heh | 23:21 |
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| pwnguin | well | 23:21 |
| pwnguin | worst case scenario there's an unused 12 node cluster downstairs | 23:21 |
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| w00t_ | just do what i'm gonna do: distcc cluster on devices | 23:22 |
| w00t_ | *g* | 23:22 |
| pwnguin | hah | 23:22 |
| lcuk | thats what maemo.org does | 23:22 |
| jebbajeb | w00t_: ya, i'm sure heh | 23:22 |
| lcuk | how else did you think autobuilder worked? | 23:22 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: black magic? | 23:22 |
| javispedro | magic indeed | 23:22 |
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| * lcuk nods | 23:23 | |
| lcuk | ok thats a good answer | 23:23 |
| javispedro | cause some days it works, the others it tries to ssh login into a random remote server | 23:23 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, pong? | 23:23 |
| pwnguin | actually, why do you have to build qt? | 23:23 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: God has heard your prayers and is back! | 23:24 |
| pwnguin | shouldn't it already be built and packaged? | 23:24 |
| lcuk | *facepalm* | 23:24 |
| w00t_ | lol | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Now he is his own God though | 23:24 |
| lcuk | pwnguin, i ask that question daily | 23:24 |
| RST38h | as in Oh-My-God | 23:24 |
| Anidel | qwerty12: do you see this link? http://www.evernote.com/pub/anidel/mobileuploads#v=t&n=b624a558-93ef-4d08-8592-9690a014a038&b=4a93421c-e96f-4b2a-8722-1270dbe04e7c | 23:25 |
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| Anidel | you should ;) click on the file with your name :D | 23:26 |
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| serenity | how can i scroll into pictures? | 23:26 |
| Anidel | I just need to polish it a bit and fix a bug I found while testing :) thanks | 23:27 |
| RST38h | V For Vendetta on TV. Purrrfect | 23:27 |
| lcuk | yes w00t_ :D | 23:27 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 23:27 |
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| thephilosopher | OVI MAPPPPPPPPPSlol | 23:27 |
| * RST38h wonders why they even show this movie, given how many things it implies | 23:27 | |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: http://s52.radikal.ru/i136/0911/d4/37c1766c60f9.png | 23:27 |
| * serenity found no option to zoom in | 23:27 | |
| javispedro | ohm an, I wish. Here on TV I can choose between "Blade II" for the 46th time this year, or | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: Trying it on the N900 :) | 23:28 |
| Anidel | should work as well :) | 23:28 |
| javispedro | or nothing else. | 23:28 |
| RST38h | javis: Torrent. | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Ah! Thanks :) | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: Hehe | 23:28 |
| * RST38h keeps TV off most of the time anyway | 23:28 | |
| javispedro | and they even WONDER why we flee to torrents like flies | 23:28 |
| javispedro | ? | 23:29 |
| pwnguin | wazd: quick suggestion. change "delete torrent" to something like "disconnect torrent" | 23:29 |
| RST38h | javis: We are not normal. Remember that. | 23:29 |
| Anidel | :) | 23:29 |
| RST38h | javis: Normal people watch reality shows. | 23:29 |
| pwnguin | it always bugs me that you have delete torrent and delete torrent+file | 23:29 |
| RST38h | javis: And laugh at soaps. Ever heard that laugh in background? That is them, the NORMAL people. | 23:29 |
| Anidel | the Share dialog tries to create a small thumbnail though.. it's empty as these are PDFs | 23:29 |
| Shapeshifter | wazd: looks nice, but... what's wrong with transmission? | 23:29 |
| javispedro | heh | 23:29 |
| wazd | pwnguin: disconnect torrent = pause | 23:29 |
| Anidel | but that's fine.. I don't care | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | neat, media player widget + dead upnp server = intense loop of "no connection to server" banners | 23:30 |
| pwnguin | wazd: hmm. | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: When you finish Marina (and if fiferboy is busy, or something), I'd be honoured to package it for Extras | 23:30 |
| lcuk | lol @ wazds' Marina like Zoolanders' Magnum | 23:30 |
| pwnguin | drop swarm? | 23:30 |
| * javispedro fins something that could be called a good film | 23:31 | |
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| serenity | or is there no option to zoom in? Tried circular scrolling, but nothing happend | 23:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: V sounds like a droid, pfff | 23:31 |
| rdorsch | I copied a native diablo rootfs on my external flash on the N800 as described here http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting | 23:32 |
| * wazd has V in 1080p in his collection :P | 23:32 | |
| rdorsch | It boots and asks all the parameters (Language, Phone, etc.) but it seems that my external flash partition gets mounted readonly. | 23:33 |
| rdorsch | Has anybody thoughs on why that is? | 23:33 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: well, that won't happen any time soon, but thanks :) | 23:33 |
| rdorsch | mount shows /dev/mmcblk1p2 on / type ext2 (ro,noatime) | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | rdorsch: should be rw | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | how did you boot externally? | 23:34 |
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| rdorsch | via an entry in bootmenu.conf | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | show me the entry | 23:35 |
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| rdorsch | http://de.pastebin.ca/1671533 | 23:38 |
| rdorsch | MENU3 is the one I added for the external card | 23:38 |
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| * lcuk goes to code, bbl | 23:39 | |
| rdorsch | MENU2 works well (was created by nupgrade.sh as a clone of the internal flash) | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | rdorsch: it might mount it readonly due to needing a fsck or something | 23:40 |
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| Anidel | why I can share a Video but not a Music file ? :) | 23:42 |
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| serenity | how good is the quality of the tv-out? | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | on n900? | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | perfect. | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | better than my PC. | 23:43 |
| serenity | oh | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | oh... shit. The Droid looks damn sexy. Specially with the google navigation. | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: snap out of it.. | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:43 |
| serenity | but i only geht pal resolution, not the native one | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | well. | 23:44 |
| Shapeshifter | and it's thin | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Shapeshifter: IT'S A TRAP! | 23:44 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 23:44 |
| javispedro | and it runs android! | 23:44 |
| Shapeshifter | but this is cool, phones are finally going somehwere | 23:44 |
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| rdorsch | Stskeeps: I did run e2fsck when I booted from the internal SD card, but nothing to repair.... | 23:44 |
| javispedro | to a trash can? | 23:44 |
| Shapeshifter | no wonder I was still on prepaid all this time using a 10$ LG crap phone | 23:44 |
| pupnik_ | i thought output on mine looked worse than at conference - need to test with other displays | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | now there's finally some useful stuff coming up | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, keyboard sucks, dpad sucks, touchscreen sucks, the slide tries to cut your fingers. | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah I think the n900 is still much nicer | 23:45 |
| w00t_ | the droid is a lie | 23:46 |
| Shapeshifter | but I really want that google navigation. But it's not available in europe anyway. yet. | 23:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: The original sounds human enough, afaik | 23:46 |
| Shapeshifter | the panel at the top looks rediculous | 23:47 |
| Shapeshifter | and the design in general is quite ugly I think. | 23:47 |
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| jebbajeb | so what i'm building needs unicode-data package. This isn't in fremantle, but is in lenny. Can I just grab the lenny .deb and use it or do I have to rebuild unicode-data too? (it is a noarch package, not i386 nor arm) | 23:51 |
| pupnik_ | the image quality of n900s (on those pro beamers) at summit 2009 was incredible. | 23:51 |
| pupnik_ | noarch means you do not rebuild | 23:52 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm wondering about how the "public" will pick up the n900. I've got a feeling it's going to be bashed hard. | 23:52 |
| pupnik_ | after seeing how the public votes, i dont feel bad if they dont understand a good thing | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | jebbajeb, a python or sh script would be noarch, for example | 23:53 |
| pupnik_ | and the -data in the darn package name implies... | 23:54 |
| jebbajeb | crashanddie: ya, this is just unicode data, noarch for sure. I'm rebuilding it anyway, just to get the hang of it ;) | 23:54 |
| jebbajeb | "standalone data" | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | jebbajeb, you do realise there's a script out there that does the fetching of sources and recompilation automatically for you? | 23:55 |
| pupnik_ | what is it called | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: speaking of chairs | 23:55 |
| pupnik_ | less typing | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://imgur.com/YXHEf.jpg | 23:55 |
| javispedro | I guess http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ | 23:56 |
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