| javispedro | hey, a user event. cool. | 00:00 |
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| VDVsx | zaheerm, yes | 00:00 |
| VDVsx | go go | 00:00 |
| mikkov- | I would hope that pidgin wasn't spread to 6 user installable packages | 00:00 |
| zaheerm | "Reason for requesting Nokia sponsorship" | 00:00 |
| javispedro | "Primary community project" | 00:00 |
| Corsac | hmhm, and can someone with an n900 try a videochat to an empathy client? | 00:00 |
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| VDVsx | zaheerm, "I'm broke " lol | 00:01 |
| zaheerm | Corsac, we can't do video chat on n900, gui not setup yet | 00:01 |
| Corsac | oh. | 00:01 |
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| VDVsx | zaheerm, spent my last peny in an n900 | 00:01 |
| mikkov- | Video receiving works at least in google talk | 00:01 |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, spent my last pennies on a flight to Amsterdam for Maemo Summit | 00:01 |
| zaheerm | mikkov-, it does? | 00:01 |
| javispedro | not yet spent any peny but planinng to spend them in an n900 | 00:02 |
| javispedro | well, or half it at least. | 00:02 |
| mikkov- | With another N8x0 | 00:02 |
| VDVsx | mikkov-, about the cloak, you will get something like that instead of your IP address : n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12 | 00:02 |
| VDVsx | mikkov-, you only need a registered nickname | 00:02 |
| mikkov- | I don't have one | 00:03 |
| mikkov- | Mikkov is already taken I believe | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | people have been asking when mxr.maemo.org would get the maemo5 sdk | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it should get it tomorrow | 00:04 |
| javispedro | people, yes :) | 00:04 |
| javispedro | timeless, ta! | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.maemo.org/qt has qt4.5.3 which is just a slight upgrade over the last one | 00:04 |
| VDVsx | mikkov-, Mikkov :No such nick/channel | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | since people somewhere were looking for qt info | 00:04 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mikkov: -NickServ- mikkov is not registered. | 00:05 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i'm not sure if the sdk is really what people want, but i have to assume it is | 00:05 |
| mikkov- | Hmm, some time ago it was :) | 00:05 |
| * VDVsx got a new email from palm, lol | 00:05 | |
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| zaheerm | so did I | 00:06 |
| * javispedro gets nearly four emails from apple a month | 00:06 | |
| javispedro | and I don't even own anything apple! | 00:06 |
| zaheerm | i still have their sdk on my laptop | 00:06 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 00:06 | |
| timeless_mbp | the package names for this crud are so random | 00:06 |
| * timeless_mbp considers trying to enforce package name/versioning for directories | 00:06 | |
| javispedro | on the other side I own two palm handhelds, registered for all the spam I could get on their website about palmos and its been years since the last palmos email | 00:06 |
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| VDVsx | zaheerm, do have it anymore :) | 00:07 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Oh, mikkov, thanks for the Leafpad changes. Was pleasantly surprised when I updated it :) | 00:09 |
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| mikkov__ | qwerty12: try ctrl+P | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N900 | OK, that dialog is not finger-friendly :p | 00:11 |
| mikkov__ | you can actually print to pdf (if the button was visible) :) | 00:11 |
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| mikkov__ | preview would work if there was evince | 00:11 |
| mikkov__ | btw how do you launch the osso pdf viewer? | 00:12 |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, i clicked submit about 10 minutes ago, it is still submitting :) i guess the new servers would be welcomed anytime now :) | 00:13 |
| Macer | net ERROR: service.FAILURE (system failure: ZimbraLdapContext) (cause: javax.net.ssl.SSLHandshakeException sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target) | 00:14 |
| Macer | motherfuckerweRWERWER!!! | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N900 | From an app, the hildon-mime functions would be easiest. Use osso_get_dbus_connection on your OssoContext and pass it to hildon_mime_open_file with a path to a PDF file as the second argument | 00:14 |
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| VDVsx | zaheerm, well, it's normal here, strange | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N900 | ^^ mikkov | 00:14 |
| mikkov__ | qwerty12: thanks, I'll have to check it out sometimes | 00:15 |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, "Waiting for maemo.org" | 00:17 |
| VDVsx | mikkov_, humm, checking you answer about leafpad | 00:17 |
| VDVsx | probably I'm mixing it with other text editor | 00:17 |
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| VDVsx | zaheerm, :( | 00:18 |
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| mikkov__ | VDVsx: I kept the menu to quite minimum. There is for example ctrl+j which is not visible | 00:19 |
| zaheerm | VDVsx, should i keep waiting or re-submit? | 00:19 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, better submit the info again | 00:19 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, you're not in the list yet | 00:19 |
| zaheerm | aah it worked immediately this time | 00:20 |
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| zaheerm | now on confirm it is taking its time | 00:20 |
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| javispedro | http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Google-Web-Accelerator?pli=1 | 00:24 |
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| zaheerm | VDVsx, i got 2 emails :) | 00:24 |
| VDVsx | lol, now I've two zaheerm , eheheh | 00:24 |
| javispedro | does that say what it says to me? | 00:24 |
| zaheerm | i don't mind double the sponsorship ;) | 00:25 |
| VDVsx | zaheerm, np ;) | 00:25 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, well done ;) | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: I actually remember one forum banning it because (supposedly) there had been cases of people using it finding themselves logged in as another user that also was using it | 00:26 |
| * VDVsx will name his next dog : google just to see what will happen | 00:26 | |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N900: well, google banning their own official support group, even for such an evil product... | 00:26 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | :) | 00:27 |
| javispedro | (I landed on that page after a click fest due to google's latest invention to break the WWW) | 00:27 |
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| Macer | ugh | 00:29 |
| Macer | found it | 00:29 |
| Macer | http://www.zimbra.com/forums/administrators/31778-zcs-network-install-working-now-possibly-broken-due-ssl.html | 00:29 |
| Macer | what a pain in the damn ass | 00:29 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, btw, why DrNokSnes isn't in extras-testing yet ? | 00:31 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: +1 | 00:31 |
| javispedro | why idonthaveann900 yet? | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Nokia obviously deem it presentation-worthy =) | 00:32 |
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| * VDVsx steals the big real madrid flag under javispedro | 00:32 | |
| VDVsx | your're not hidden anymore :P | 00:33 |
| VDVsx | hihihi | 00:33 |
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| crashanddie | Who would be the person to contact at Nokia for returning N900s ? | 00:33 |
| VDVsx | nokia care ? | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | nha, I got it at the summit | 00:33 |
| VDVsx | or a loaned one ? | 00:33 |
| VDVsx | the name is in the PLA | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | like I still have that | 00:33 |
| javispedro | VDVsx qwerty12_N90: btw, why aren't your votes not in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/openttd/0.7.3-1maemo1 yet ? | 00:34 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you got your email | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, about Tuesday? | 00:34 |
| lcuk | and what have you done to your n900 | 00:34 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, I've one here, but it pass protected, lol | 00:34 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:34 |
| VDVsx | and I don't know the pass | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, don't think I'll be able to make it | 00:34 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: OpenTTD isn't my thing, but I will get around to testing it tomorrow (shoot me if I do not) | 00:35 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N900: don't worry, you will be shooted either way | 00:35 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, same here | 00:35 |
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| javispedro | and PLEASE purge the openttd-data -devel package if you have it before installing the -testing ones | 00:36 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, but, what happened to your device ? :) | 00:36 |
| Macer | ugh | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | nothing | 00:36 |
| Macer | nothing beats 20 java threads to start up zimbra | 00:36 |
| kynky | is ovi store going to be an essential place for n900 apps ? or will they be on maemo.org too ? | 00:36 |
| Macer | but i fixed it | 00:36 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, better, so you don't need the contact atm :) | 00:37 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, is it working ? | 00:37 |
| javispedro | not all commercial apps will be on maemo.org (docstogo isn't), and not all lone cowboy coder apps will be on ovi store (at least I don't plan). | 00:37 |
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| javispedro | supposedly all apps will end up in Maemo Select. | 00:38 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, yup | 00:38 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, not all | 00:38 |
| kynky | so ishould ge an ovi account then | 00:39 |
| kynky | get* | 00:39 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: oh, I though there was an automated import process. | 00:39 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, more or less, I think | 00:39 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, they said the "best apps" | 00:40 |
| javispedro | well, SuperTux is there, so they were lying when they say "best apps only" >:) | 00:40 |
| kynky | lol | 00:40 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Ha | 00:40 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, but if is a automated process it's broken, since some app aren't there | 00:41 |
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| javispedro | heh, just joking of course. Maybe they do select apps. | 00:41 |
| jaem | O_o | 00:41 |
| VDVsx | actually, now are, but Jaffa had to poke someone :) | 00:41 |
| jaem | o_O | 00:41 |
| jaem | okay, I'm confused | 00:41 |
| jaem | according to my N900, the date is, and I quote, "12 Years Ago" | 00:41 |
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| jaem | ??!! | 00:42 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, "Maemo *Select*" | 00:42 |
| VDVsx | ;) | 00:42 |
| javispedro | Select is because they run out of "Store" synonyms | 00:42 |
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| javispedro | Store, Market, Marketplace... | 00:42 |
| VDVsx | jaem, happened in my n810, but can't remember why | 00:42 |
| greenfly | jaem: unix 32bit localtime overflow bug? | 00:43 |
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| jaem | greenfly, if so, it should say the *date* 12 years ago | 00:43 |
| jaem | not the literal string, "12 years ago" | 00:43 |
| jaem | because it can't currently be yesterday, for example | 00:43 |
| jaem | that makes no sense | 00:43 |
| jaem | lol | 00:44 |
| jaem | oops | 00:44 |
| VDVsx | I had a some problems installing stuff, checked the logs and the issue were the date , lol | 00:44 |
| * javispedro is reminded of certain phpbb bug where it would say "Today's date is Today." | 00:44 | |
| greenfly | well now we are getting into philosophy :) | 00:44 |
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| * javispedro ponders what qgil meant with "promoting the whole of the long weekend event" | 00:49 | |
| jaem | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ffejery/4099399558/ | 00:49 |
| javispedro | maybe that's green light for adding the registration url into maemo fansites? | 00:50 |
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| javispedro | jaem: ok, that's funny | 00:53 |
| javispedro | you're clearly having a FlashForward into the future and your N900 is quielty reminding you what the present date is in a human intuitive form | 00:54 |
| jaem | javispedro, -snerk- | 00:54 |
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| jaem | the funny thing is that I can almost see their thought-process... but it's *so* wrong | 00:54 |
| viq | Hm, I wonder whether there's a chance of running android apps on maemo | 00:54 |
| javispedro | well I can't. | 00:54 |
| lcuk | javispedro, whats gonna replace hildon game front end tho | 00:55 |
| lcuk | errr osso | 00:55 |
| lcuk | thingy | 00:55 |
| javispedro | lcuk: no idea. which is i'm proposing the topic. | 00:55 |
| javispedro | in fact nokia may have in mind something else for m6 | 00:55 |
| jaem | javispedro, is the clock FOSS? | 00:55 |
| javispedro | s/else/completely different in concept | 00:55 |
| jaem | e.g can I go poke around in it? | 00:56 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: looks like your toolbar will stay :) | 00:56 |
| lcuk | they can have 100 concepts between now and release | 00:56 |
| javispedro | jaem: the clock app? I guess not. the clock status bar applet? dunno... | 00:56 |
| jaem | ah | 00:56 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: *lights fireworks* | 00:56 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N900: but it will look different :D | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | wazd, heres a thought - verticle bar would look great with needing such a detailed list | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | vertical even | 00:57 |
| * lcuk gahs again | 00:57 | |
| jaem | javispedro, a reboot fixed it | 00:58 |
| jaem | heh | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Nope, Nokia also feel a need to keep that closed =) | 00:58 |
| jaem | qwerty12_N900, aww... I wanted to point at their code and laugh | 00:58 |
| javispedro | yes, like the notes app. | 00:58 |
| javispedro | I ponder if it's 100 lines long? 200? | 00:59 |
| jaem | well, I suppose you could consider the behaviour I observed a "differentiating feature" | 00:59 |
| jaem | although not a desired one | 00:59 |
| jaem | :P | 00:59 |
| wazd | lcuk: bad cause visually different bar elements will be aligned to list items | 00:59 |
| wazd | lcuk: confusing | 00:59 |
| qwerty12_N900 | jaem: They knew, twelve years back when they were coding it, what you planned to do and closed it accordingly :p | 00:59 |
| jaem | haha | 00:59 |
| jaem | probably | 00:59 |
| jaem | does the N900 have a flux capacitor? | 00:59 |
| lcuk | wazd, thats design though, it could be workable | 01:00 |
| lcuk | its been quite effective when i want maximum visible space for scrolling | 01:00 |
| wazd | lcuk: and there's no standart maemo5 ui element for vertucal bar | 01:01 |
| lcuk | so take the 56pixel topbar and rotate it, its worth a try | 01:02 |
| wazd | and it won't work in portrait mode :) | 01:02 |
| lcuk | course it would | 01:02 |
| wazd | and it's inconsistent with guidelines ) | 01:02 |
| lcuk | it stays where it is but effectively becomes a top/bottom bar then | 01:02 |
| lcuk | tis just a thought | 01:03 |
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| wazd | sure it is | 01:04 |
| lcuk | they got rid of the sidebar in m4 to make the choice up to the app designer | 01:04 |
| lcuk | they gave us the space to use it | 01:04 |
| lcuk | and in some situations a sidebar is a great option :) | 01:04 |
| * javispedro requests nokia to sponsor his 1.20$ worth trip to the event | 01:04 | |
| lcuk | javispedro, is that for bus or for a new pair of flipflops? | 01:04 |
| javispedro | bus >:) | 01:05 |
| wazd | lcuk: sometimes it's surely a nice way to control but not this time | 01:05 |
| javispedro | tube actually | 01:05 |
| jaem | javispedro, that's cheaper than here | 01:05 |
| javispedro | single ticket | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, make sure you put the €0.30 for toilet break too :D | 01:06 |
| wazd | we have like $.80 tickets here :) | 01:06 |
| javispedro | toilet break back to my home country? :D | 01:06 |
| woglinde | re | 01:07 |
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| javispedro | hi wog | 01:07 |
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| taril | good evening | 01:07 |
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| javispedro | "Nokia declares bankruptcy after having to sponsor long weekend participants' toilet breaks" | 01:08 |
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| jaem | what? are they sponsoring dollar bill-toilet paper? | 01:08 |
| javispedro | "It's not my fault I like to piss in the Seichelles Islands!" -- declared one participant | 01:09 |
| taril | :) | 01:09 |
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| * VDVsx registers for the maemo-BCN event crossing his fingers :) | 01:15 | |
| * javispedro registers too | 01:15 | |
| javispedro | m.o collapses under the load | 01:15 |
| taril | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ&feature=player_embedded | 01:16 |
| javispedro | ^^ above was never released and probably never will. | 01:16 |
| lbt | it's not a phone | 01:17 |
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| taril | you mean vmware for maemo? | 01:21 |
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| corefusion- | jaem: No, the N900 doesn't have flux capacitor as the only ones currently existing have been made in a lab. | 01:21 |
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| taril | flux capacitor? | 01:23 |
| taril | am i tired? | 01:23 |
| corefusion- | 00:49 < jaem> does the N900 have a flux capacitor? | 01:23 |
| taril | :D | 01:23 |
| * VDVsx got a email from "nobody" :P | 01:24 | |
| * javispedro too | 01:24 | |
| taril | ive got one from my mother | 01:24 |
| taril | i have to go to bed | 01:24 |
| taril | :D | 01:24 |
| * javispedro starts spamming about the long weekend event | 01:24 | |
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| lbt | why javispedro, will there be a long weekend event somewhere...? Do tell me more... | 01:25 |
| * corefusion- doesn't see any spam about the long weekend event | 01:26 | |
| lcuk | whoa, theres a long weekend event occuring? | 01:26 |
| lbt | apparently | 01:26 |
| * javispedro starts spamming _some other places_ about the lw event | 01:26 | |
| lbt | ah | 01:26 |
| kalikianatoli | corefusion-, I heard the flux capacitor is what added 2mm in thickness | 01:26 |
| taril | bye, night | 01:26 |
| * lbt feels left out | 01:26 | |
| kalikianatoli | and made it more expensive :P | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | javispedro awww i was stoked to hear about a lond weekend event | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | lbt: just in case and for all tmo haters: corefusion-, I heard the flux capacitor is what added 2mm in thickness | 01:27 |
| javispedro | ouch. | 01:27 |
| lcuk | now you cant be a tease like that | 01:27 |
| javispedro | I did not want to paste that | 01:27 |
| corefusion- | kalikianatoli: but i thought that there were only 2 lights at the back of the n900, not 3? | 01:27 |
| javispedro | lbt: just in case and for all tmo haters: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=374161#post374161 | 01:27 |
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| * lbt went to tmo a few minutes ago and saw "OUTSIDE..." and just left | 01:28 | |
| lcuk | javispedro, is that the Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend, December 4-6??? | 01:28 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:28 |
| lbt | sounds good... what's it about javispedro? | 01:28 |
| javispedro | if there's a user event "with media" I guess that means plain users can go doesn't it? | 01:29 |
| kalikianatoli | corefusion-, it has only lights at the front. or maybe I'm not into sci-fi enough to get that one :-) | 01:29 |
| * lbt decided not to apply .... there's more UI oriented folk out there | 01:29 | |
| javispedro | lbt: basically, "ux+code hackfest" + "localization and documentation workshop" + "non-english: n900 'welcome' event, intro to maemo development" | 01:30 |
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| lbt | yeah, me+lcuk were messin with you :) | 01:30 |
| lcuk | lbt, having someone who knows his way around qt might be a beneficial thing | 01:30 |
| corefusion- | kalikianatoli: :) the flux capacitor in the back to the future movies had 3 lights that started pulsing with light when the delorean reached 88mph :P | 01:30 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N900: http://s54.radikal.ru/i144/0911/9a/ee49c4a7fa3b.png | 01:30 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: something like that | 01:31 |
| kalikianatoli | corefusion-, ah :) | 01:31 |
| VDVsx | wazd, where is the IKEA torrent ? :P | 01:32 |
| corefusion- | but referring to the text that i wrote to jaem earlier the real "flux capacitor" is actually a memristor and they have been made in labs | 01:32 |
| * lbt prefers coloured version.... and thinks that "92% of 342 MB" is better wording | 01:32 | |
| kalikianatoli | wazd, you should add "that's a friend's screenshot" when you show these kinds of images :P | 01:32 |
| wazd | kalikianatoli: that's not even a screenshot) | 01:33 |
| corefusion- | where's the ETA? | 01:33 |
| kalikianatoli | in that case you fooled me for good =) | 01:33 |
| wazd | lbt: colors are too distracting I think | 01:34 |
| kalikianatoli | it looks quite nice in any case, I don't see how colours would do any good there | 01:34 |
| lbt | whilst waiting for a dl, distraction is good ;) | 01:34 |
| timeless | lcuk: have you visited mxr.maemo.org/qt ? | 01:34 |
| * lcuk is distracted by the bright white %age remaining line | 01:34 | |
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| lcuk | its brighter than the amount dl so far for some reason | 01:34 |
| wazd | corefusion-: well, that's a question. RST38h suggested that ETA and downloaded ammount will change each other | 01:34 |
| wazd | corefusion-: each 5 secs for example | 01:35 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: awesome :) | 01:35 |
| lcuk | no timeless but i was on there last night looking for something fremantley | 01:35 |
| timeless | it's coming | 01:35 |
| corefusion- | wazd: i see, not a bad idea | 01:35 |
| wazd | corefusion-: yep | 01:35 |
| timeless | i just grabbed all the sources a few hours ago | 01:35 |
| lcuk | cool! | 01:35 |
| * lcuk spies qt on the list now | 01:35 | |
| timeless | i need to fix a handful of debian dirs and rename my tree | 01:36 |
| timeless | then index and sync | 01:36 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:36 | |
| corefusion- | wazd: but isn't 5 seconds a bit long time? i mean, if i just want to check how long it will take until my new linux distro dl is ready i don't want to wait for 5 seconds | 01:36 |
| timeless | yeah, qt was an undocumented tree before :) | 01:36 |
| wazd | corefusion-: well, it can be 2 :D | 01:36 |
| lcuk | so will it be repeated inside fremantle | 01:36 |
| wazd | corefusion-: exact number is not really important now | 01:36 |
| lcuk | or are you gonna manually extract qt stuff | 01:37 |
| corefusion- | wazd: or does it start the cycle from when the program is active, then it could start the cycle showing the ETA, if you get what i mean | 01:37 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: now the heavy stuff - all that crazy menus and settings and popups :D | 01:37 |
| * lcuk is going blind | 01:38 | |
| wazd | corefusion-: I think it's possible | 01:38 |
| * qwerty12_N900 cries: I did a decent job with the menus :'( | 01:38 | |
| Xisdibik | Does anyone know if Ovi Maps Routing Plugin will support Google Chrome sometime soon? | 01:38 |
| timeless | xisdibik: um | 01:39 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: yep, but that infinite scrolling is rather bad :) | 01:39 |
| timeless | you mean the thing that doesn't properly support ff3.6 | 01:39 |
| Xisdibik | timeless: um? :) | 01:39 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: better divide em into categories | 01:39 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: True, true :) | 01:39 |
| timeless | because the maps team is composed of idiots? | 01:39 |
| Xisdibik | Dunno, when i go to ovi maps and click routing, it says my browsers incompatible | 01:39 |
| Xisdibik | (if i use chrome) | 01:39 |
| timeless | don't worry | 01:39 |
| timeless | it doesn't support ff3.6 either | 01:40 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: They did used to be tabbed, but the HIG says to put them in one long pannable dialog... | 01:40 |
| Xisdibik | yea but it supports older FF :P, thats at least something, its been a while now that they didnt support chrome | 01:40 |
| timeless | let them fix ff3.6 support first before you worry | 01:40 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: btw, obviously you just need to tap the item to open it's details :) | 01:40 |
| timeless | xisdibik: you're looking at it the wrong way | 01:40 |
| timeless | they picked an obsolete plugin api and implemented it | 01:41 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: one of the latest South Park episodes have a nice quote for that cases | 01:41 |
| Xisdibik | should i be looking at it from the approach that firefox is better? ;) | 01:41 |
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| timeless | no one wants to support that api | 01:41 |
| Xisdibik | i see | 01:41 |
| timeless | e.g. ff dropped it for 3.6 | 01:41 |
| Xisdibik | so they have to redesign the whole thing | 01:41 |
| timeless | ayup | 01:41 |
| Xisdibik | gotcha | 01:41 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: it sounds like "FU, WHALE!!!1" :D | 01:41 |
| Xisdibik | thanks for the infos timeless | 01:41 |
| timeless | the redesign would in theory be chrome compatible | 01:41 |
| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Works for me :D | 01:41 |
| timeless | although testing and support is different | 01:42 |
| Xisdibik | im not even sure which i like better at the moment, chrome or FF | 01:42 |
| corefusion- | (thinks that the thing i say next is like shooting himself in a leg) Opera for the win! | 01:42 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: I'd rather make details as stackable window, not pop-up | 01:42 |
| Xisdibik | corefusion-: why did you shoot yourself in the foot! :P | 01:43 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N900: are you serious bout that infinite dragging? Is it really in HIG?) | 01:44 |
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| corefusion- | hmm... seems that my servers clock is 10 mins behind... | 01:45 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Well, it's saying tabbed dialogs are frowned upon and Modest removed its tabs and just put every option in a pannable dialog. Not sure if it has as much options in its Options dialog, however... | 01:46 |
| javispedro | #7 0x00007f3e7f48ba57 in ?? () | 01:48 |
| javispedro | from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so | 01:48 |
| javispedro | bah | 01:48 |
| javispedro | always that .so files | 01:48 |
| javispedro | always!!! | 01:48 |
| javispedro | I hate it. | 01:48 |
| timeless | crash? | 01:49 |
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| javispedro | yes | 01:49 |
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| wazd | ok, gtg sleep, cya all | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N900 | bye | 01:52 |
| qwerty12_N900 | thanks again | 01:52 |
| javispedro | cy wazd | 01:52 |
| timeless | is crash-reporter in a repo? | 01:53 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Try SDK repo with the package name "nitro" | 01:53 |
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| timeless | nitro is the old one | 01:54 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Ah | 01:54 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | Was the package renamed, too? | 01:54 |
| timeless | yes | 01:55 |
| corefusion- | I had an idea for an app, I'll put it here so someone can comment if they wish.. : The app uses the camera and the accelerometer together to help calculating distances and angles between two objects in relation to the ground (or 0 degrees). | 01:55 |
| corefusion- | Only thing that the user would have to give to the program is the distance to the object, using this data I think it should be possible to calculate the distance between the objects | 01:56 |
| * timeless sighs | 01:57 | |
| timeless | stupid debian packagers | 01:57 |
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| javispedro | stupid :) | 01:57 |
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| javispedro | well, gnite | 01:57 |
| corefusion- | Use the accelerometer to tell the device when it's straight and use somekind of indicator light to tell this to the user, then take a picture of wall for example and then the user marks the spots that will be used for calculations and after this the user inputs the distance to the wall from the camera and the device calculates the distance between the objects and the angle in relation to the earth. Would be useful for putting | 01:58 |
| qwerty12_N900 | 'night, javispedro | 01:58 |
| lbt | 'night all | 01:58 |
| corefusion- | nn | 01:58 |
| qwerty12_N900 | 'night, lbt | 01:58 |
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| * lbt leaves OBS building a gettext that should actually work in Fremantle SDK... | 01:58 | |
| corefusion- | I hope that text made sense to someone and not only myself :) As you can see english is not my main language :P | 02:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles wishes rcadden would stop spamming his rants to Planet. | 02:01 | |
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| qwerty12_N900 | His reposting of news already on Planet is an annoyance | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then there's the freaking Mozilla feed. . . . | 02:02 |
| corefusion- | anyone care to comment? (thinking it was insane) | 02:02 |
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| jaem | corefusion-, interesting, but I have to wonder why you'd need to use this to measure a distance on, say, a wall, if you have the means of measuring the distance to the wall | 02:03 |
| jaem | or is this for cases where you have the distance given to you? | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: you also run into needing to correct for lens distortion and perspectives | 02:05 |
| corefusion- | jaem: well, for example (the situation when i got this idea) if you are trying to put a shelf on the wall alone, it's not easy to make long measurement without moving the measuring tape | 02:05 |
| jaem | corefusion-, hmm | 02:05 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, best one there: androidanme.com | 02:05 |
| VDVsx | hhihi | 02:05 |
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| corefusion- | i distance of 97,5cm was that i was trying to measure and i had to measure it 4 times to get it right :P | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: To be _really_ useful, you need to have it work if you set it up on the kickstand, and it say 'up a bit, down a bit, there!' | 02:06 |
| jaem | to be honest, it sounds like an overcomplicated solution for most problems, but it might be interesting to work on from an experimental point of view | 02:06 |
| jaem | I'd say try it, and see what happens | 02:06 |
| jaem | even if it's not practical, something else interesting may well come out of it | 02:06 |
| jaem | and if it is, then cool | 02:06 |
| corefusion- | speedevil: haha, true :P but near impossible as you would be standing in the way | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - it's in principle not imposible to use speakers and mic to do sonic ranging | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too much spam on Planet. :( | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: Sure - however - if it can recognise a pen held at an angle, and where the tip is, ... | 02:07 |
| corefusion- | jaem: i know it's damn hard to do, but how can an engineer help himself with things like this :P | 02:08 |
| corefusion- | speedevil: well, then the question is, can it? | 02:08 |
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| jaem | corefusion-, I know exactly what you mean :) | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: optically, it can. | 02:09 |
| qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Make sure you give X-Fade hell when he gets back for letting Planlet get like this in his absence =) | 02:09 |
| qwerty12_N900 | -l | 02:09 |
| jaem | as I said, go for it! | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: the question is can you write the software | 02:09 |
| jaem | anyhow - dinnering | 02:09 |
| corefusion- | speedevil: i know the answer to that: no :( | 02:09 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, still better than planet gnome, where most of the posts are about random stuff (trips, my dog, my bike, ...) | 02:09 |
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| corefusion- | I'm no developer :/ | 02:09 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Has someone ever added a goatse post to Planet? | 02:10 |
| corefusion- | just had an crazy idea and thought to share it here :P | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: also -see http://www.rap-man.com/index.htm | 02:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, I'll just give him qwerty1. :P | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: you can be a developer | 02:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2 | 02:10 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | But I'm more nicer than hell ^-^ | 02:11 |
| corefusion- | speedevil: yeah, but that would take years of work until i could get something like that done :) | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Only if you're really stupid. | 02:11 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, urrrg | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, if you say so. | 02:12 |
| corefusion- | speedevil: haha :P are you daring me :P | 02:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: Sure. | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | corefusion-: Even starting from scratch, it's not years. | 02:15 |
| corefusion- | i try working following the saying: The solutions is only a moment when you get tired of thinking. But somehow, it has never worked for programming :P | 02:16 |
| corefusion- | I know that the saying kinda denies itself but... :P | 02:17 |
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| corefusion- | hmm.. are there any gimp users here? | 02:21 |
| jaem_n900 | corefusion-: yes | 02:21 |
| corefusion- | does it have a feature to correct lens distortions? | 02:22 |
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| jaem_n900 | corefusion-: not sure. Google "gimp plugins" and you might find something, if it's not shipped with something for that | 02:25 |
| jaem_n900 | I can check for you once my dinner is cooked | 02:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mikkov: ping | 02:25 |
| mikkov | Yes | 02:25 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Does http://imgur.com/d7pMO.png look OK to you? | 02:26 |
| corefusion- | jaem_n900: found it, listed at the gimp homepage :) | 02:26 |
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| mikkov | qwerty: if it uses stock button, yes | 02:27 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | mikkov: Yes, it is the stock one. I'll post up a diff in the comments (only a couple of lines added) :) | 02:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, why are things underlined? | 02:28 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mikkov: Why are things underlined? :p | 02:29 |
| mikkov | qwerty12: I don't know :) | 02:29 |
| kalikianatoli | qwerty12_N900, if those are proper mnemonics they'll go away with a firmware update | 02:30 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | kalikianatoli: Awesome! I was turning them off manually with the gtksettings property for enabling mnemonics, among other things... | 02:32 |
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| kalikianatoli | qwerty12_N900, that property will be "fixed" :) | 02:32 |
| Andrewfblack | hey is there anyway I can setup my n810 to watch a room of my house? | 02:32 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | Andrewfblack, "motion"? and you got lost in the wrong channel on your way to #maemo | 02:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ops | 02:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I got lost | 02:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | damn me :) | 02:34 |
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| * CutMeOwnThroat takes everything back and starts telling the opposite | 02:34 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think it's in the maemo repositories, though... at least I've not seen it | 02:35 |
| kalikianatoli | I saw instructions for streaming from the device, but I don't remember where | 02:35 |
| kalikianatoli | it's definitely doable | 02:35 |
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| corefusion- | hmm.. on a straight surface the distance calculation between two points on the picture is easy when the distance to the surface is know, i think... | 02:36 |
| Andrewfblack | well I know I can just a video chat but don't know if it will stary open the whole day | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, just ask it politely. | 02:36 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, wonder if there is anyway to make it out accept if I try to video chat with n810 | 02:37 |
| Andrewfblack | I want to be able to keep any eye on a sick animal at home while I'm working | 02:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you want to stream? you didn't say that... motion just takes jpg still pictures whenever something moves in range of the camera and saves them | 02:37 |
| Andrewfblack | wll motion would work then I could ftp to tablet and get images I guess | 02:38 |
| Andrewfblack | not the best way but it would work | 02:38 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | problem is that it's not in the repository and you'd need to cross-compile yourself | 02:39 |
| Andrewfblack | I guess I could just vnc into tablet and open photo app | 02:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's in debian, though, so 'only' need to adjust the package for maemo to get it packaged | 02:39 |
| Andrewfblack | wow just picked up n810 its huge in my hands now to much time with my n900 | 02:40 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I never got good pictures out of the camera in the n810 | 02:40 |
| Andrewfblack | not looking for good pictures just seeing if cat is moving around | 02:40 |
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| corefusion- | hmm..... wonder that where on earth would i find the code for the gimp corrective mode in the transform tools, trying to find out how to fix perspective distortions.. | 02:49 |
| corefusion- | i did dl the source codes but there is so much stuff here :D | 02:49 |
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| corefusion- | hmm | 02:55 |
| corefusion- | not sure if that is truly needed | 02:55 |
| corefusion- | could some kind soul send me couple of sample pictures taken with the n900, i'd need a picture of a wall with something on it to help see if there is distortion in the picture | 02:56 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | corefusion-: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1281847@N22/pool/ ... | 02:58 |
| qwerty12_N900 | Wow, I totally missed the second part of your sentence, sorry | 02:59 |
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| woglinde | ~lart c++ devs which dont understand to include c-headers the right way | 03:01 |
| * infobot explains, ever so gently, that if c++ devs which dont understand to include c-headers the right way doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help | 03:01 | |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | that's larting? | 03:02 |
| woglinde | lol | 03:03 |
| woglinde | ~lart infobot | 03:03 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | tee hee | 03:03 |
| woglinde | expected behaviour | 03:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | except by you | 03:04 |
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| lcuk | cure`, | 03:05 |
| lcuk | CutMeOwnThroat, http://www.bofh.net/man/lart.1m.html | 03:05 |
| corefusion- | qwert12_N900: that's ok, hopefully it won't take too long anymore to get my hands on to my own n900 :) | 03:06 |
| Andrewfblack | found webcamd in repo but it wont install | 03:06 |
| Andrewfblack | guess I don't be getting n810 to work as webcam | 03:07 |
| corefusion- | are there any sample codes about using the accelerometer on N900? | 03:09 |
| lcuk | yes | 03:09 |
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| corefusion- | where can i find it/them? | 03:10 |
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| lcuk | http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+accelerometer first answer | 03:11 |
| qwerty12_N900 | ~accelerometer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers | 03:11 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N900: okay | 03:11 |
| lcuk | ~accel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers | 03:12 |
| infobot | okay, lcuk | 03:12 |
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| corefusion- | lcuk: lol.. i should have know :) | 03:12 |
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| corefusion- | lcuk: thx :) | 03:12 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | o/ lcuk | 03:12 |
| lcuk | should have known what core? | 03:13 |
| Soltis | So I have a particular phone and I'm curious about getting Maemo to run on it; I haven't found any evidence it's supported, but I'm pretty sure Linux supports the CPU the phone uses. | 03:13 |
| Soltis | Curious where I should start, I guess; I'm a programmer, but I'm not experienced with embedded stuff. | 03:13 |
| corefusion- | lcuk: to use google | 03:14 |
| lcuk | heh catches everyone sometimes :P | 03:15 |
| lcuk | Soltis, is there an existing port of linux with all drivers and hardware working there? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | and tell us the device you have | 03:15 |
| Soltis | lcuk: Not that I'm aware of. It's the HTC S743. | 03:15 |
| Soltis | Qualcomm MSM7225 CPU | 03:15 |
| aep | Soltis: unfortunately you need a lot more then CPU | 03:16 |
| lcuk | the cpu is actually one of the smallest components to getting featureful linux on a system | 03:16 |
| jaem_n900 | Soltis: you might want to take a look at http://handhelds.org | 03:16 |
| lcuk | you need to interact with a minimum of the disks and the screen and the input devices and networking and battery and modems etc | 03:17 |
| jaem_n900 | they were working on some HTC phones, and might be able to help you out | 03:17 |
| jaem_n900 | no idea about that one | 03:17 |
| Soltis | lcuk: All I need to start with is to get a basic debugging environment going; it might end up being necessary to hack together drivers, though I'd just as soon avoid that. | 03:17 |
| Soltis | jaem_n900: Thanks for the tip. | 03:17 |
| aep | jaem_n900: i think they hacked the windows mobile phone | 03:18 |
| lcuk | then call into #mer and ask away | 03:18 |
| lcuk | and follow jaems advice | 03:18 |
| lcuk | anyway, im bedding \o gnite | 03:19 |
| qwerty12_N900 | 'night | 03:19 |
| Soltis | lcuk: If that's what it comes to, I guess I'll have to. | 03:19 |
| woglinde | hm wrong side | 03:19 |
| woglinde | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ | 03:19 |
| Soltis | 'Night. | 03:19 |
| woglinde | right site | 03:19 |
| corefusion- | nn | 03:20 |
| woglinde | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Rose | 03:20 |
| corefusion- | time for some sleep for me too... i'll have to tinker this idea later :) | 03:21 |
| woglinde | no support | 03:21 |
| aep | oh that new one is windows mobile too. might have some luck then | 03:21 |
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| woglinde | htc now has far to many produced | 03:23 |
| woglinde | seems none of the S series get support | 03:25 |
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| aep | btw, seeing that reminds me: since the n900 now lost the d-pad, did anyone try playing games with the arrow keys? | 03:27 |
| aep | is that even a platform usable for games? | 03:27 |
| woglinde | maybe with external keys | 03:27 |
| aep | ew | 03:28 |
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| woglinde | re jaem | 03:29 |
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| aep | problem is i need a decent opengl es 2.0 phone for a gaming platform. i was kindof hoping on the n900 | 03:31 |
| jaem | woglinde, sorry?: | 03:31 |
| aep | jaem: re means sort of "welcome back" on some networks (not freenode). in case thats what you are confused about | 03:32 |
| jaem | ah, okay | 03:32 |
| jaem | is it short for something? | 03:33 |
| woglinde | hi again | 03:33 |
| aep | no idea | 03:33 |
| woglinde | aep sorry there isnt one | 03:34 |
| woglinde | if you mean gaming with cool gaming buttons | 03:34 |
| woglinde | pandora is only gameconsole withouth phone | 03:34 |
| jaem | PandoraPhone? :P | 03:34 |
| jaem | maybe in 20 years | 03:34 |
| aep | no. what i really need is a d-pad, opengl es 2.0, and linux | 03:35 |
| aep | i could drop linux, but i really dont want to | 03:35 |
| woglinde | pandora | 03:35 |
| jaem | aep, presumably a better (e.g. real) D-pad than the N810? | 03:35 |
| woglinde | if you dont need phone | 03:35 |
| aep | nah it must be a phone | 03:36 |
| jaem | just tether the Pandora to an N900, then | 03:36 |
| jaem | hmm | 03:36 |
| jaem | yeah, not anything I can think of, then | 03:36 |
| woglinde | out of luck | 03:37 |
| woglinde | sorry | 03:37 |
| aep | no. the point is demoing a specific technology. for the purpose of the demo it must run on something that can actually make calls (for the impressive factor (omg it runs on a phone)) | 03:37 |
| aep | i guess i'll get the n900 anway. having a real linux to play with beats ugly keys | 03:37 |
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| jaem | aep, N900 with a Wiimote? | 03:38 |
| aep | awesome idea | 03:38 |
| woglinde | jaem already said something about external keys | 03:38 |
| jaem | right | 03:38 |
| aep | totally not the point of it, but flat out awesome :D | 03:39 |
| jaem | heh | 03:39 |
| jaem | indeed | 03:39 |
| aep | man this thing having usb opens a whole universe of possibilities | 03:39 |
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| jaem | aep, no USB host | 03:39 |
| aep | aw. i thought it does | 03:39 |
| * aep disapointed | 03:40 | |
| aep | how else would you attach a weemote? | 03:40 |
| woglinde | wireless? | 03:40 |
| jaem | aep, Bluyetooth | 03:40 |
| woglinde | bt | 03:40 |
| aep | aye | 03:40 |
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| aep | i wonder of there are usb hosts for bt | 03:41 |
| aep | i mean, its running linux. it should be able to do anything | 03:41 |
| aep | hm yeah. i know how. there is are small arm powered devices with wireless and usb | 03:43 |
| aep | usb over wireless is trivial | 03:43 |
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| Robot101 | wiimotes /are/ bluetooth | 03:46 |
| Robot101 | they work fine with the N900 | 03:46 |
| aep | yeah that was unrelated thinking of what else i could hack with the device :D | 03:46 |
| Robot101 | http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/09/snes-on-n900.html | 03:46 |
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| aep | this is awesome stuff | 03:49 |
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| woglinde | ~hail javispedro | 03:51 |
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| woglinde | good nite | 03:55 |
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| jaem | hrm | 04:01 |
| jaem | the N900 PixelPipe app is proprietary ,right? | 04:01 |
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| dmj726 | Who makes the youtube client zoutube? | 05:22 |
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| Robot101 | dmj726: zaheerm | 05:30 |
| dmj726 | zaheerm: have you considered movign the playback controls to the side? | 05:31 |
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| caotic | can mplayer play any dvd regardless of the dvd zone ( encryption (aparently the dvd I am tring to play has encryption or something ) | 07:07 |
| johnx | yes | 07:08 |
| johnx | (on linux at least, using libdvdread and libcss (sp?) | 07:08 |
| caotic | not sure | 07:10 |
| caotic | Ill check | 07:10 |
| johnx | err, what I'm saying is: it will work if you're on linux | 07:11 |
| johnx | otherwise, I have no idea | 07:11 |
| johnx | the question was only about the spelling :) | 07:11 |
| caotic | oh I see, wrong channel anyway :P | 07:11 |
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| eplawless | I have a quick question, if someone's available to help. I've just installed the Maemo 5 final SDK, I'm having some issues getting an internet connection. | 07:15 |
| eplawless | Connectivity and DNS seem to be working in scratchbox, I was able to pull down google.com fine, but when I start the Maemo GUI nothing connects. Is this a common thing? | 07:16 |
| johnx | are applications failing to connect or just not trying? | 07:20 |
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| eplawless | johnx: Failing to connect. I've just installed osso-xterm, and run /sbin/ifconfig from within it; the eth0 interface is there. I tried apt-get installing python | 07:28 |
| eplawless | "Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org | 07:28 |
| johnx | alright, so try to: nslookup repository.maemo.org 4.2.2.1 | 07:29 |
| johnx | if that fails see if you can even ping out to 4.2.2.1 | 07:29 |
| eplawless | I don't think I've got either nslookup or ping installed on the virtual device :/ I'll try to install them from scratchbox | 07:29 |
| johnx | really? no ping? that's even on the physical device | 07:30 |
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| eplawless | it'd normally be /bin/ping, right? | 07:30 |
| johnx | yeah | 07:31 |
| johnx | which ping | 07:31 |
| eplawless | ha, which isn't installed | 07:31 |
| eplawless | ls /bin/ping says it isn't there | 07:31 |
| eplawless | I'll go try to install some tools from scratchbox | 07:31 |
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| eplawless | hooray, got it working | 07:54 |
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| eplawless | my /etc/resolv.conf had my nameserver set to 127.0.0.1 | 07:54 |
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| johnx | ah, that's correct on the device itself | 07:54 |
| eplawless | how's that? my networking is pretty terrible, but is the device running a DNS server somehow? | 07:55 |
| Termana | yello everyone | 07:56 |
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| RST38h | Some-spammer-Matthew: Are you interested in advertising at your site? | 08:00 |
| RST38h | Me: No. Go away Matthew. | 08:00 |
| tigert | you want to copy your own resolv.conf into scratchbox | 08:00 |
| RST38h | Matthe: I understand. Our company bla bla bla. | 08:01 |
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| johnx | eplawless, on the device it self it runs a small DNS caching server | 08:26 |
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| eplawless | johnx: ahh, makes sense. I just pointed it straight to 4.2.2.1, as long as it works for now... | 08:27 |
| johnx | yeah, I guess it doesn't run dnsmasq inside scratchbox | 08:27 |
| johnx | which makes sense now that I think about it | 08:27 |
| johnx | I just figured it would have been handled by the scratchbox setup process | 08:28 |
| eplawless | It would have been nice :/ I've finally got something reasonable working for development now, I think. | 08:28 |
| eplawless | a one-click installer or a deb package for all of this would have been nice :\ | 08:29 |
| johnx | there's a vmdk | 08:29 |
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| eplawless | well, crap. | 08:30 |
| eplawless | I suppose I should have looked around more before creating my own VM :P | 08:30 |
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| johnx | it would also be nice if it got official Nokia backing and was linked off of the dev section of the wiki more prominently | 08:32 |
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| thux | morning | 08:56 |
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| thux | had to stop using exellent vagalume, cause lastfm asked money from us .fi | 08:59 |
| johnx | and pandora (which is even better) doesn't allow apps at all :/ | 09:00 |
| thux | how iphone has spotify but maemo doesn't? | 09:01 |
| johnx | (pandora the inet radio site, not pandora the game machine) | 09:01 |
| Termana | johnx - doesn't pandora have an iphone app? | 09:02 |
| johnx | Termana, yup. from the pandora guys themselves, IIRC | 09:02 |
| johnx | so I should say they don't allow 3rd party apps | 09:02 |
| Termana | maemo's slogen could be - theres no app for that | 09:02 |
| johnx | here's why there is no spotify for maemo: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/vagalume-users/2009-April/000036.html | 09:03 |
| adeus | port despotify to maemo | 09:03 |
| johnx | despotify is blocked for free accounts. not a dealbreaker for some of course | 09:04 |
| thux | is spotify stream encrypted? | 09:05 |
| johnx | when spotify blocked despotify for free accounts, the despotify guys decided not to circumvent it...sooo, not sure what that means exactly | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 09:06 |
| johnx | but that implies that the options is open to someone else to hack around it | 09:06 |
| johnx | morning Stskeeps | 09:06 |
| thux | ok | 09:06 |
| adeus | hmm there already is maemify in despot trunk :) | 09:07 |
| thux | cool | 09:08 |
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| pupnik | i am trying to figure out why image viewer on n900 dont update my pics list correctÃly after sending a pic via bt | 09:41 |
| pupnik | i see a 1/2 loaded thumbnail of the pic. cant click on any pic | 09:41 |
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| zchydem_work | pupnik: tracker problem? But does it fail every time when you transfer a pic via bt? | 09:44 |
| pupnik | i try again | 09:44 |
| zchydem_work | I have moved several pics via bluetooth from N900 to N900 it haven't failed ever | 09:45 |
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| pupnik | hmm n900 batt doen to 0 again | 09:50 |
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| pupnik | will test some more - maybe i can file a decent bug | 09:50 |
| tigert | pupnik: got some 3rd party apps installed that drain it? | 09:50 |
| tigert | or just cannot keep your hands off the browser and other fun stuff? :) | 09:50 |
| pupnik | no, fresh image. batt is prob shot after 1 month at 0% | 09:51 |
| johnx | pupnik, logged into any IM services? | 09:52 |
| pupnik | no | 09:52 |
| pupnik | i think we will see some complaints about unchargeable devices | 09:53 |
| TomaszD | pupnik bug report? | 09:53 |
| TomaszD | maybe the thumbnailer is too greedy and grabs the image while it's still being transferred | 09:53 |
| pupnik | that is likeÃly | 09:53 |
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| pupnik | i should have gotten an external universal battery charger years ago. | 09:59 |
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| cosmo | anyone familiar with autobuilder? how do i upload a library and a application which depends on it? | 10:02 |
| kirma | pupnik: this seems to work with e90, and anyway, is cheap and everything: http://www.focalprice.com/MC042B/2600mAh_USB_Intelligent_Power_Storage_Black.html :I | 10:02 |
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| kirma | just have to advertise since I'm so pleased with it considering ~10 euro price... | 10:03 |
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| cosmo | application building fails because library is not found | 10:03 |
| pupnik | that is cheap kirma, nice | 10:04 |
| pupnik | cosmo - diablo application builder? | 10:04 |
| tigert | kirma: nice price indeed | 10:04 |
| cosmo | pupnik: fremantle | 10:04 |
| cosmo | the library was already built successfully | 10:05 |
| pupnik | nokia's own BL-5J seem reasonably priced | 10:05 |
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| kirma | I've never quite understood all the hassle with battery switching, especially when that resets the device | 10:07 |
| tigert | pupnik: if the battery is totally dead, keep it in charger for a while, usually it'll start working again | 10:07 |
| tigert | at least on my N810 which was sitting empty for months | 10:07 |
| pupnik | cool ty | 10:07 |
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| tigert | though a new battery might be good if the current one is old | 10:08 |
| kirma | of course if the battery is just reached end of lifetime... then it's ok :) | 10:08 |
| tigert | yeah | 10:08 |
| tigert | they dont last forever I guess :) | 10:08 |
| johnx | cosmo, did the lib make it to the repo yet? if not: wait. if so, make sure you're depending on it in the app package. | 10:08 |
| kirma | gf said that just on optimal storage conditions, these modern phone batteries lose considerable amount of capacity per year | 10:09 |
| cosmo | johnx: depends on how long it takes. it got thru autobuilder successfully | 10:09 |
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| cosmo | kirma: optimal storage conditions = fridge | 10:09 |
| eplawless | Anyone ever get Fennec to build for the x86 Scratchbox target? | 10:09 |
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| cosmo | lipo loses capacity faster when in hot | 10:10 |
| kirma | well, let's say that optimal outside fridge ;) | 10:10 |
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| cosmo | johnx: so if i update both lib and app, i have to upload lib, wait, and then upload app? | 10:11 |
| cosmo | what happens if the old vesion of app doesn't work with the new lib? | 10:11 |
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| tigert | new version of app replaces old version of app? | 10:14 |
| cosmo | it should | 10:14 |
| tigert | new version of lib is only required by new version of app | 10:14 |
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| cosmo | does the repo contain older versions of packages also? | 10:16 |
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| zaheerm | dmj726, i want to make them float on | 10:28 |
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| woglinde | hi zaheerm | 10:29 |
| zaheerm | woglinde, hi | 10:29 |
| dmj726 | float? | 10:29 |
| zaheerm | dmj726, on top of the video when someone taps | 10:29 |
| zaheerm | and have video full screen | 10:29 |
| dmj726 | ah | 10:30 |
| zaheerm | did you try the latest zoutube, i have made it support portrait mode and use an iconview with thumbnails | 10:30 |
| dmj726 | no I probably didn't | 10:30 |
| dmj726 | when was this? | 10:31 |
| zaheerm | last night | 10:31 |
| dmj726 | I've been busy bastardizing zoutube | 10:31 |
| zaheerm | apt-get install zoutube should upgrade it | 10:31 |
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| dmj726 | By that I mean adding menuish things | 10:32 |
| zaheerm | :) | 10:32 |
| dmj726 | more for pitivi's sake than anything | 10:32 |
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| dmj726 | also, I've decided that python is very nice | 10:33 |
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| pupnik | zoutube != mytube? dmj726 | 10:36 |
| pupnik | or zaheerm | 10:36 |
| dmj726 | this is zoutube | 10:36 |
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| woglinde | hm whats zoutube? | 10:37 |
| woglinde | browersgui for gnash? | 10:37 |
| dmj726 | youtube player | 10:37 |
| pupnik | pics? url? | 10:38 |
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| mgedmin | python rules | 10:40 |
| woglinde | hm seems not on garage | 10:40 |
| woglinde | mgedmin yes | 10:40 |
| woglinde | speed is sometimes the problem | 10:40 |
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| eplawless | Anyone ever get Fennec to build for the x86 Scratchbox target? | 10:41 |
| mgedmin | and memory usage, I suppose | 10:41 |
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| Myrtti | örörrörör | 10:46 |
| mgedmin | watching anime again, Myrtti? | 10:46 |
| Myrtti | no, having a flu, again. | 10:47 |
| Myrtti | had whopping three healthy days in between | 10:48 |
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| dmj726 | zaheerm: I'm working on making a (not really) functional mockup of an editor gui | 10:56 |
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| woglinde | moo | 11:05 |
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| RST38h | heya woglinde | 11:06 |
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| dmj726 | http://xkcd.com/ | 11:14 |
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| dmj726 | oh wait...it was rejected from the android marketplace on the grounds that it was written in python! | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | Python? What is python? Is it some animal? | 11:18 |
| woglinde | hm autobuilder sutcked again | 11:18 |
| woglinde | its java | 11:18 |
| cosmo | is there a way to know when package moves from autobuilder to repository? | 11:19 |
| RST38h | yes | 11:19 |
| RST38h | cosmo: Right side of http://maemo.org/packages/ | 11:20 |
| woglinde | if ah yes I meant the transfer | 11:20 |
| woglinde | seems jeremiah has to dig deeper | 11:21 |
| cosmo | RST38h: when it is removed from "latest builds" it will be in repo? | 11:21 |
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| woglinde | cosmo normaly | 11:21 |
| woglinde | but the process is stucked | 11:21 |
| woglinde | as discussed on maemo-dev mialinglist | 11:21 |
| cosmo | great | 11:21 |
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| cosmo | maybe i should join | 11:22 |
| woglinde | no worry its not only you who complains | 11:22 |
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| viq | It really is a shame n900 does not have a compass... | 11:30 |
| woglinde | viq you could case mod it | 11:31 |
| zacky | glue one at the back side of it | 11:32 |
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| hrw | morning | 11:32 |
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| zaheerm | make a bluetooth digital compass and stick it on with glue :) | 11:33 |
| zaheerm | pupnik, don't have up to date screenshots, but try out with apt-get install zoutube | 11:34 |
| pupnik | diablo? extras-devel? zaheerm | 11:35 |
| pupnik | not found | 11:35 |
| zaheerm | pupnik, fremantle | 11:35 |
| dmj726 | I think n900 would have made a great punchline in today's xkcd | 11:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah | 11:38 |
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| kurtan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ | 11:39 |
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| gour | morning. have few questions about maemo development... | 11:42 |
| gour | considering nokia now owns qt, i wondre what's the future of gtk+ as gui toolkit for maemo? | 11:42 |
| gour | *wonder | 11:43 |
| viq | woglinde: probably, if I had any soldering skills ;) | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | gour: community supported in m6 | 11:43 |
| gour | and further? will be supported in m7 as well? | 11:44 |
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| wazd | hello all | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea what m7 is. | 11:44 |
| woglinde | hi wazd | 11:44 |
| woglinde | hi stskeep | 11:44 |
| corefusion- | kurtan: hahaha, hackers talking leet so no one knows what they are talking about :D:D | 11:44 |
| kurtan | corefusion-: can we get a screenshot ? | 11:44 |
| kurtan | GOT IT! | 11:44 |
| woglinde | viq doubleside tape shoul be okay | 11:44 |
| gour | i mean, is it investing (aka learning) in gtk+ safe for maemo platform? | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, Mark Guim reports he has just updated to 42.11 firmware | 11:45 |
| RST38h | WHERE?!? | 11:45 |
| viq | woglinde: it would be an nice idea to have the system be able to read it ;) | 11:45 |
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| mgedmin | RST38h, url? | 11:52 |
| woglinde | hm uh youtube will make HQ videos in 1080p | 11:55 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:55 |
| woglinde | jo lardman | 11:55 |
| lardman | hi woglinde | 11:55 |
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| gour | if there are gtk+ bindings available for some language, i'm curious how much work is to provide for hildon's API? | 12:04 |
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| lardman | what lang? | 12:04 |
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| gour | haskell | 12:05 |
| woglinde | *g* | 12:06 |
| pupnik | zaheerm: what format does youtube have that n800 can play? | 12:07 |
| pupnik | fmt=6 yields half-speed video, fmt=14 sound dropouts | 12:07 |
| gour | woglinde: jhc is supposed to provide very fast C code | 12:07 |
| zaheerm | not sure | 12:08 |
| woglinde | zaheerm are you using gnash? | 12:08 |
| zaheerm | no | 12:08 |
| zaheerm | gstreamer | 12:08 |
| gour | as you like ;) | 12:08 |
| woglinde | hm intressting | 12:09 |
| woglinde | so its ffmpeg in the end | 12:09 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: http://thenokiablog.com/2009/11/13/nokia-n900-review/ (and yes he hates poor N900 :))\ | 12:13 |
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| cehteh | well lack of compass is really a bummer | 12:15 |
| tigert | cehteh: why? | 12:15 |
| * RST38h does not need compass | 12:15 | |
| lardman | just cos it would be cool :) | 12:15 |
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| cehteh | for a lot navigation things | 12:15 |
| RST38h | (qand before you mention MMS, I have not sent or received any in my life) | 12:15 |
| cehteh | as he pointed out when you stop at a traffic light and there is even so slight drift in the GPS signal then the screen rotates | 12:16 |
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| cehteh | or when hiking and you want a fix and direction in middle of nowhere | 12:16 |
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| * gour is using garming for gps...could live even without gps stuff on n900 | 12:17 | |
| RST38h | centeh: This has nothing to do with the compass | 12:18 |
| cehteh | well i want the n900 as replacement to my aging gps | 12:18 |
| cehteh | RST38h: of course it has | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Has everything to do with screwed up maps application though | 12:18 |
| kynky | ovi maps 1.0 is a dissapointment | 12:18 |
| cehteh | my current gps has no compas either | 12:18 |
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| cehteh | if you halt it losses direction | 12:19 |
| pupnik | very good point about the screen rotating from noise when stopped cehteh | 12:19 |
| cehteh | you always have to move a few meters to get direction | 12:19 |
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| RST38h | GPS data has no direction, so mamking it look like you have got directional data is wrong | 12:19 |
| * gour would like to develop in haskell for maemo | 12:19 | |
| kynky | gour, me2, and i think itsvery possible | 12:20 |
| cehteh | RST38h: thats whats the compass would be for .. augmenting gps data with direction | 12:20 |
| pupnik | gour natani? | 12:20 |
| lardman | what do the gtk bindings look like? | 12:20 |
| cehteh | hey i can life without a barometer, but compass should be really there | 12:20 |
| tigert | well | 12:20 |
| gour | kynky: how? | 12:20 |
| gour | pupnik: ? | 12:20 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: compass would boost the cost of the device $5 or so. $10 or so on the price | 12:20 |
| tigert | I guess you could do quite good by cross checking gps data drifts with accelerometer | 12:20 |
| tigert | to filter out the erroneous drifting | 12:21 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: if that would be an option i would pay it | 12:21 |
| lardman | that much money?! | 12:21 |
| tigert | no need for compass to fix that issue | 12:21 |
| cehteh | but i think a compass is much cheaper | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | you're bikeshedding | 12:21 |
| gour | lardman: they're pretty good...problem is there is no ghc port to arm and, otoh, gtk2hs does not compile with jhc (which does cross-compiling) yet | 12:21 |
| cehteh | tigert: you need 2 accelerometers to detect rotations | 12:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: yes - accellerometer is ~$1 in bulk | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: no, you don't. | 12:22 |
| lardman | gour: i meant how complex are the binding themselves, the implementation | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: you need two _really_good_ accellerometers to detect rotations | 12:22 |
| tigert | rotation is not the point | 12:22 |
| cehteh | and usually they need to be of better/more accurate class than the cheap 'orientation sensors' usually used | 12:22 |
| kynky | ghc 6.10 armel debian package exists, i was hoping to optify that and its dependencies, got no idea about gtk2hs, or the qt equivalent, but worst cae is that I have to rogram using X protocol, and that can be done in pure haskell, as X protocol is just a network protocol | 12:22 |
| tigert | its the erroneous rotation caused by erroneous "move" which didnt happen | 12:22 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: yes that too | 12:22 |
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| gour | lardman: they're quite good and robust | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: and really good in this case is $5000/3 axis. | 12:22 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: $1 in bulk for accel, and $10 for compass? | 12:22 |
| tigert | sure it would be nice to rotate the map to where your nose is always | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: and even then with a 10cm baseline, they're not that good. | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: $5 | 12:23 |
| tigert | but that is different from fixing the erroneous rotations caused by drifting | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: for compass | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Gryo is easier | 12:23 |
| cehteh | so accelerometers are out for that | 12:23 |
| lardman | expensive | 12:23 |
| SpeedEvil | but that's even more expensive than magnetometer | 12:23 |
| lardman | but cheap next to the device cost | 12:23 |
| kynky | gour, wha do you think ? | 12:23 |
| Iridian | cehteh: are you the cehteh I know? If you are, small world :) | 12:24 |
| cehteh | lol | 12:24 |
| cehteh | why do i meet anyone i know in this channel? :) | 12:24 |
| woglinde | irc-world is small yes | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: Sure. But there is always something else shiny that you might add for another $5/1cc | 12:24 |
| gour | lardman: check http://haskell.org/gtk2hs/ people are writing commercial code with gtk2hs | 12:24 |
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| wjt | I'd be interested in ghc6 running in scratchbox | 12:25 |
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| wjt | having GHC-the-compiler on your device doesn't seem that useful | 12:25 |
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| cehteh | SpeedEvil: well yes but if this is a decision between buy/not buy for a lot others | 12:26 |
| gour | kynky: having jhc with gtk2hs would be great...i'm just wondering about binding hildon, not having any idea how extensive they are considering that most of gtk+ is done | 12:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: True of course. | 12:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: but thats the case for everything | 12:26 |
| cehteh | i dont know how many people would demand a compass, but i am seriously thniking about canceling my order | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: phone - +$40 - +$100 on the price, ... | 12:27 |
| gour | and i'd like to stay with gtk+ (if possible), preferring it over qt | 12:27 |
| kynky | gour http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/ghc6/download | 12:27 |
| cehteh | i want it as gps replacement .. first the notice that it only works well as a-gps but its bad with offline navigating | 12:28 |
| cehteh | then no compass | 12:28 |
| cehteh | maybe the device is not for me then | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally am an OSM person. So as long as the GPS works OK | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | And the camera | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Why do you want the compass again? | 12:29 |
| lardman | VR stuff? | 12:29 |
| cehteh | i dont want to map for osm, but i want to navigate in rual areas, when biking, hiking and when stopping too | 12:29 |
| kynky | gour, yeah gtk2hs is pretty good, but at leastthere a few toolkits, wx is pretty good and the new qt widget set is coming along nicely, but ben looking into xhb, x haskell bindings | 12:29 |
| gour | kynky: i've asked on haskell-cafe, here is the reply i got - http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/66029 | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - there are many use-cases - some of which are fantasy. | 12:29 |
| cehteh | VR/AR would be nice too | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | As in there is no real software out there that does it | 12:29 |
| adeus | is there ar support in the n900? | 12:30 |
| gour | kynky: afaik, only gtk2hs does memory-management in the haskell-way | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | adeus: Well - it can be used for AR | 12:30 |
| cehteh | yes but this software wont appear when the hardware is incapable of it | 12:30 |
| cehteh | are electronic compasses 2D or 3D? | 12:30 |
| Macer | bones is trying to find the murderer of a midget wrestler | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | adeus: but - it has no information about pointing - hence it may be limited in some use-cases | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: usually 3d | 12:30 |
| cehteh | for AR you need 3d | 12:30 |
| adeus | i.e. can you superpose stuff on the video | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: 2d if you know the app is going to be horizontal | 12:31 |
| cehteh | yes | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | You need a compass and an accellerometer in order to get a (usually) unambiguous orientation. | 12:31 |
| cehteh | so a compass could replace the acclerometer | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: no | 12:31 |
| RST38h | no | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: you need both | 12:31 |
| cehteh | ok | 12:31 |
| RST38h | anyway, I do not see why obsess oneself with compass so much | 12:31 |
| RST38h | there will always be SOME piece of hardware Nokia has not included with its device | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: you can only get orientation if you know the relative orientation of two vectors - magnetic field - and gravity | 12:32 |
| cehteh | because i want direction wehn standing still | 12:32 |
| RST38h | Be thankful that it is the compass and not the display | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | (and if you also know the approximate location) | 12:32 |
| kalikiana | cehteh, the accellerometer only knows the turning but no relation to the ground. while the compass knows the relation to the poles and nothing else | 12:32 |
| lardman | RST38h: because android phones do have it, and there have been some interesting location aware demos shown using a compass + gps | 12:32 |
| kynky | gour, have you got an n900 yet ? | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | And if the two vectors are not closely coupled - >80/<-80 longitude | 12:33 |
| RST38h | lardman: Then why not get an Android phone? | 12:33 |
| kalikiana | android's platform isn't fun :-] | 12:33 |
| cehteh | kalikiana: well if you have the vectors for the magnetic field lines and the gps position then you can calculate the directon towards the center of the earther | 12:33 |
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| gour | kynky: no. i'm still considering whether it could replace the need for netbook machine. if not, then i'll continue with a cheap phone and netbook running moblin :-) | 12:34 |
| cehteh | but all 3 togther (or maybe even add an baromenter) can augment each other, help self calibrating and supress errors on another channel | 12:34 |
| pupnik | my N810 automatically seeks the center of the earth | 12:34 |
| lardman | :) | 12:34 |
| Macer | haha | 12:34 |
| kalikiana | cehteh, hm.. might work. sounds like your battery wouldn't like it, though. gps takes long to do anything | 12:35 |
| Macer | bumblebee man!!! | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | kalikiana: that is not the case in principle | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | kalikiana: Coupling the GPS with accellerometer and gyro and compass can in principle if you do it right vastly decrease GPS power use, as you can shut the GPS down for periods. | 12:36 |
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| Macer | LOL | 12:36 |
| cehteh | well n900 trades that for wifi connection for agps which draws power, cost money and is not univerally available | 12:37 |
| kynky | gour, intel are doing moblin smartphones soon with new version of atom proccessor, but im not convinced about battery life, at mo you can get a benq s6 smart phone and that has a x86 processor in it. but i think it should be possible not to only run haskell code on n900, but develop on it as well :) | 12:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: AGPS is not required for GPS | 12:37 |
| kirma | aren't those more like big tablets with universal connectivity than phones? | 12:38 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: some people here told me that the n900 needs 6+minutes to get a fix when not using agps | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: It's not that simple - there are a number of techniques you can use for shutting down GPS but maintaining the local accurate clock, and sampling rapidly. | 12:38 |
| * SpeedEvil is currently designing a soft-GPS - it's fun! | 12:38 | |
| RST38h | AFAIK AGPS only needs brief initial connection to get initial data | 12:38 |
| cehteh | yes | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | There are _many_ sorts of AGPS | 12:39 |
| RST38h | So it is not "wasting" much power this way | 12:39 |
| cehteh | but it still needs that | 12:39 |
| kalikiana | I want emerillon to work without network :-) | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Some ship the data back to a central host, and have it do all the numbercrunching. | 12:39 |
| kynky | kirma, you mean the intel stuff that isnt out yet ? intel working on very low power atom chips,they intend for phones and mids and umpc | 12:39 |
| RST38h | centeh: In any case, I do not see why you wouldn't simply buy Droid or something | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Some even generate a position later on the desktop. | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Or iPhone 3GS, it has got compass | 12:39 |
| cehteh | RST38h: because i want a open platform | 12:39 |
| RST38h | centeh: Then suffer the lack of compass quietly =) | 12:40 |
| kynky | open platform is most important | 12:40 |
| kirma | kynky: even "very low power" is likely to be rather power hungry when compared with the scale arm chips are at home | 12:40 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Geotate' - samples the GPS signal for 1s, stores it, and then you later recover the position on the desktop | 12:40 |
| * RST38h does not find open platform all that important | 12:40 | |
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| cehteh | yeah but i do | 12:40 |
| * SpeedEvil locks RST38h up in a cage with a tiger. | 12:40 | |
| pupnik | lol | 12:40 |
| kynky | or learn how to run maemo or meh on hd2 or droid or x3 ? with their compasses | 12:40 |
| lbt | RST38h is thinking tactically | 12:40 |
| * RST38h skins the tiger, sells the fur, makes profit | 12:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | kynky: and it'd be mer, not maemo | 12:41 |
| kynky | kirma, yeah im betting it still power hungry compared to arm too | 12:41 |
| lbt | see | 12:41 |
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| cehteh | the gps code/firmware of the n900 isnt free or? | 12:41 |
| RST38h | it is not | 12:41 |
| pupnik | mer on iphone would be a treat to see | 12:41 |
| lbt | tigers are endagered and RST38h kills one... <sigh> short-termism.... | 12:41 |
| kynky | SpeedEvil, thx for correcting me :) | 12:41 |
| pupnik | he cant very well mate with it. lbt | 12:42 |
| RST38h | lbt: In the long term, tigers die of natural causes anyway | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: The n900 has a soft-GPS then? | 12:42 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about hacking. | 12:42 | |
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| RST38h | Speed: AFAIK not, the TI chip has got two serial ports, one for control another for outputting data | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Speed: How that data is being processed is a different story though | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes - I've done some work on the openmoko GPS | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I (and a couple of others) got to the point where we could get a position to within 2000km within 45 minutes. | 12:43 |
| cehteh | well you can certainly feed some correction/augmenting data over the control port in | 12:43 |
| kirma | if I remember right, on N900 service manual it seemed that GPS chip is connected to RAPU/YAMA, not OMAP3 | 12:43 |
| * RST38h seems to remember that at least on N810, the TI 5300 data is connected to uart0 | 12:43 | |
| gour | kynky: i'd be satisfied to develop on my desktop and being able to just run on n900 | 12:43 |
| kirma | so, interfacing directly might be a challenge anyway | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | (we hadn't decoded the data, just the dopplers of the satellites) | 12:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (and just the coarse doppler - before it became clear that the GPS chip was changing in the next version, so the project stalled) | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Speed: You would need a *really* large payload to hit with, at this precision | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Speed: A deathstar-class weapon would do though | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: there are other reasons to want a free GPS :) | 12:46 |
| cehteh | RST38h: well just some callibration profiles for the gps might be useful | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: for example, the aforementioned powersaving | 12:46 |
| kynky | gour, if or when you do get haskell working on n900, would love to know | 12:46 |
| cehteh | hiking, bike, car ... which use different algorithms/parameters to compensate errors | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: The GPS code is almost certainly provided as a binary blob from TI, with no source given to nokia. | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | on n900? no | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | it's NMEA | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: ah. /me looks at RST38h. | 12:46 |
| woglinde | SpeedEvil *g* sure | 12:47 |
| gour | kynky: heh, i'd not buy n900 without being assured i can do it | 12:47 |
| * SpeedEvil gets out the porcupine and the butter. | 12:47 | |
| pupnik | ty for the help Stskeeps - back in business here | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Speed: I am not sure about no source given to Nokia :) | 12:47 |
| kynky | gour, i do know there is active work on ghc being supported on iphone | 12:47 |
| woglinde | couldnt be that some linux hackers get the same precision the military has | 12:47 |
| cehteh | hehe | 12:47 |
| gour | kynky: no interest for iphone...i prefer open platform | 12:48 |
| cehteh | woglinde: impossible because this uses another frequency .. | 12:48 |
| cehteh | you need different recievers and different antennas for that | 12:48 |
| RST38h | Speed: I never said it was not NMEA =) | 12:48 |
| kynky | gour, well i have ordered my n900 for half price, i intend to get it working with haskell | 12:48 |
| woglinde | cehteh ah okay | 12:48 |
| gour | kynky: cool. share your experience | 12:49 |
| kynky | gour, only reason i mentioned iphone was that it runs on arm, very similar chipset to n900 | 12:49 |
| suihkulokki | kynky, gour, you will be able to use ghc6 at least in a debian/ubuntu chroot | 12:49 |
| lardman | kalikiana: re emerillon, does it not already? | 12:49 |
| cehteh | and different 'encryption' keys .. ok one cant really tell that gps uses encryption | 12:49 |
| cehteh | but iirc they are still secret | 12:49 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: well the n900 gps won't realistically get a fix w/o network assistance | 12:49 |
| pupnik | what is this euro sat system - gallileo? | 12:49 |
| kynky | suihkulokki, yeah --> http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/ghc6/download | 12:49 |
| woglinde | intressting pam bails out | 12:49 |
| cehteh | lardman: that really pisses me | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: There is no process running when GPS is running that uses ~5% of CPU? | 12:49 |
| woglinde | ups | 12:50 |
| * RST38h wonders if it is possible to create a tmo filter that hides comments from anyone with <3-months-old account | 12:50 | |
| kalikiana | lardman, it frantically asked for wireless last time I tried, even if I tapped outside the window | 12:50 |
| lardman | cehteh: yeah, is annoying | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i pondered the same | 12:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: That would be perfect, albeit highly segregatory | 12:50 |
| lardman | kalikiana: might just be the gps | 12:50 |
| cehteh | lardman: but that should be fixable in software | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Can anyone check that - if the GPS is enabled - is there a driver that takes ~5% of CPU? | 12:50 |
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| kalikiana | lardman, you mean gps asks for wireless on its own? | 12:51 |
| RST38h | Speed: A moment | 12:51 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: filter anyone who comments on a "why is X delayed?" or "When do i get my pony" threads | 12:51 |
| cehteh | it basically only means to store the almanac state and replay it to the gps when later restartet | 12:51 |
| lardman | kalikiana: yes | 12:51 |
| kalikiana | hm... | 12:51 |
| cehteh | kalikiana: that A-GPS | 12:51 |
| lardman | kalikiana: iirc I asked liblocation to provide the best possible fix, so it will use agps | 12:51 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: Your conditions are too fuzzy for the dead silicon to decide upon | 12:51 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: But the 3-month filter should do nicely | 12:51 |
| cehteh | lardman: you have a n900? | 12:52 |
| lardman | kalikiana: I've also been told that I don;t switch liblocation off, but I added the code, and as I publish my location info, the gps tends to stay on anyway | 12:52 |
| kalikiana | lardman, I would prefer it to not enforce me to establish a connection, after that we can talk how to proceed | 12:52 |
| lardman | cehteh: yes | 12:52 |
| lardman | kalikiana: well I could add a dialog asking if you want to use the gps | 12:52 |
| lardman | kalikiana: what happens if you disallow automatic connections? | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Speed: I do not see any such process | 12:53 |
| cehteh | how long does it take to get a fix without A-GPS? | 12:53 |
| lardman | cehteh: forever | 12:53 |
| lardman | allegedly 5min optimum | 12:53 |
| cehteh | bummer | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: :/ | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: thanks. | 12:53 |
| lardman | but with assist is pretty accurate | 12:53 |
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| taril | hi | 12:54 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: Has there been fw update to 42-11 quietly going, or what? | 12:54 |
| cehteh | i dont care about accurateness if i cant get a fix without connection | 12:54 |
| kalikiana | lardman, can't you check whether connection was cancelled and then stop trying? | 12:54 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: I see at least one blogger reporting he has flashed 42-11 | 12:54 |
| taril | i need som help, ive installed sdk, the last step is missing, nokia.binaries | 12:54 |
| lardman | cehteh: you'll have data won't you | 12:54 |
| lardman | ? | 12:54 |
| cehteh | i need gps most when i am somewhere where no wifi is available .. | 12:54 |
| kalikiana | that's what the browser for example does | 12:54 |
| cehteh | no i dont have | 12:54 |
| taril | ive logged into scratchbox | 12:54 |
| taril | added nokia binaries repsoitory, bt when i execute apt-get update, nothing happens, i recive this: | 12:55 |
| lardman | cehteh: yeah this is a major question, which also affects those roaming, I'd like to try to extract more info from Nokia about us supplying our own assistance data if poss | 12:55 |
| kalikiana | lardman, ha, I tried again and found a loophole: tapping the task switcher after cancelling :P | 12:55 |
| cehteh | thats really important | 12:55 |
| kalikiana | it stopped asking | 12:55 |
| lbt | suihkulokki: FYI I rebuilt gettext in a clean chroot and in Fremantle SDK/sbox... guess which one works flawlessly | 12:55 |
| taril | Failed to fetch-- | 12:55 |
| cehteh | i need GPS mostly when i am on vacation and data roaming is expensive | 12:55 |
| cehteh | and not even available everywhere | 12:55 |
| cehteh | hey i want a gps to be able to cross the sahara | 12:56 |
| kalikiana | ... | 12:56 |
| adeus | roaming is ridiculously expensive | 12:56 |
| lardman | cehteh: well the battery life won't manage that | 12:56 |
| adeus | just on London it was ¤3/M | 12:57 |
| cehteh | i can take an extra battery | 12:57 |
| adeus | in | 12:57 |
| derf | lardman: I was about to walk about 48 miles on one charge. | 12:57 |
| cehteh | but i can not take an personal cell tower with me | 12:57 |
| derf | With GPS on. | 12:57 |
| cehteh | so gps which needs data connection is really really bad | 12:57 |
| cehteh | well reichelt has a cheap bluetooth gps dongle | 12:58 |
| cehteh | maybe i buy one | 12:58 |
| cehteh | but sux that n900 cant do it alone | 12:58 |
| derf | Well, neither could the N8x0. | 12:58 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 12:58 |
| lardman | morning ccooke | 12:58 |
| cehteh | yes i know people who use an extra bluetooth dongle for gps with the n800 | 12:59 |
| derf | 90% of users probably do just fine with AGPS, which is 90% more than before. | 12:59 |
| cehteh | of course same again, bluetooth dongles have no compass .. makes no sense there | 12:59 |
| kalikiana | lardman, and I remember one thing I wondered: could emerillon preload data? | 12:59 |
| kalikiana | say, for a certain city or area | 12:59 |
| lardman | kalikiana: best ask that in #champlain | 13:00 |
| lardman | kalikiana: I hope it either can, or will be able to | 13:00 |
| kalikiana | ah, will do | 13:00 |
| * timeless sighs | 13:00 | |
| * timeless kicks something | 13:00 | |
| lardman | but I've not done much testing so far, just trying to get contact location plugin working | 13:00 |
| lardman | which means a net connection is always up | 13:01 |
| lbt | so N900 can't do GPS w/o data ? | 13:01 |
| lardman | allegedly it can, but before I got a sim I could never get a connection | 13:01 |
| pupnik | i got connection without a sim | 13:01 |
| timeless | lbt: it can, but a lot of the checkboxes aren't designed in a way to let you do what you want | 13:01 |
| pupnik | not on first day though | 13:01 |
| lbt | A-GPS is tied to the nw reverse geo-location | 13:01 |
| pupnik | truly black arts this gps stuff | 13:02 |
| lbt | yes, so I might want a-gps but not reverse geo | 13:02 |
| t_s_o | pupnik: what do you expect from something thats originally military? | 13:02 |
| woglinde | hi timeless | 13:02 |
| lardman | no, agps isn't anything to do with the geolocation | 13:02 |
| timeless | you might probably be mostly out of luck ;-) | 13:02 |
| lardman | though it might use the same server | 13:02 |
| timeless | hi! | 13:02 |
| ccooke | Basically, it's designed to work with the most commonly useful scenario... | 13:02 |
| lbt | lardman: that is what I thought | 13:03 |
| tigert | yay | 13:03 |
| timeless | woglinde: i saw one decent advertising campaign | 13:03 |
| lbt | but the config says otherwise | 13:03 |
| lbt | (wrongly/badly) | 13:03 |
| timeless | did you know anything about it? | 13:03 |
| ccooke | a-gps is a kludge unless you have some sort of automatic bootstrap of location - such as the gsm network location | 13:03 |
| derf | I don't know. I tend to agree with cehteh. I want GPS when I'm out of town, usually in another country. | 13:03 |
| woglinde | timeless for what? | 13:03 |
| timeless | the n900 | 13:03 |
| lardman | lbt: but the agps data helps the gps get a fix, the geolocation does the lat/lon <-> name stuff, so different things | 13:03 |
| ccooke | (the solution on the n810 was not something you could really hand a consumer, for instance) | 13:03 |
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| lbt | 100% agree lardman | 13:03 |
| lbt | but have you seen the tickbox? | 13:03 |
| lbt | they are bundled | 13:04 |
| derf | As to whether that's "common"... | 13:04 |
| lardman | lbt: no, where is that? | 13:04 |
| lbt | derf, also probably explains my planet.maemo rant | 13:04 |
| lbt | get GPS kinda running | 13:04 |
| lbt | click status | 13:05 |
| lbt | click "Position" | 13:05 |
| lbt | Cellular (A-GPS) positioning | 13:05 |
| lbt | "Use the A-GPS and Reverse-Geocaching" | 13:05 |
| * timeless upgrades MSOffice.mac | 13:05 | |
| lardman | lbt: probably just that both use the Nokia supl server I'd say | 13:06 |
| lbt | could be | 13:06 |
| Macer | booth still hasn't tapped bones | 13:07 |
| Macer | wtf | 13:07 |
| timeless | macer: is that want-to-f? | 13:07 |
| Macer | huh? | 13:07 |
| timeless | instead of what-the-f? :) | 13:07 |
| Macer | haha | 13:07 |
| lardman | lbt: what sw version do you have, I don't see those strings? | 13:07 |
| Macer | i'd tap bones . she is hot | 13:07 |
| Macer | merlin is pretty good | 13:07 |
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| Macer | a lot better than i thought it would be | 13:08 |
| lbt | Ah, timeless' UK strings... | 13:08 |
| lbt | but this is a summit loaner | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: All integrated chips I have seen can get a fix without the assistance, it simply takes longer. | 13:08 |
| timeless | lardman: install my strings | 13:08 |
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| lardman | lbt: did you upgrade to 41-*? | 13:08 |
| lbt | do you have "location" in the status bar | 13:08 |
| lbt | heh - not yet | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: It could be that the wrong assistance data is being passed - or the GPS is not being asked for the position until the assistance data is gotten | 13:09 |
| timeless | lbt: wait, does it say geocaching or geocording? | 13:09 |
| lbt | maybe in Helsinki next week... | 13:09 |
| suihkulokki | RST38h: I have no insight on when any given fw update is considered stable enough for distributing to the sheep | 13:09 |
| lardman | lbt: had it, but it's just vanished | 13:09 |
| lbt | geocoding | 13:09 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: that's true. The problem is that if you've designed them to use agps and have no network access, it'll take *longer* to get a fix than it might otherwise in most implementations | 13:09 |
| timeless | lbt: oh good :) | 13:09 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: effectively, without apgs they fall back on a complete bootstrap | 13:09 |
| lbt | I've found a use for ovi-maps!!! | 13:09 |
| lardman | lbt: I just have "Network positioning" Engale | 13:09 |
| lardman | Enable | 13:10 |
| lbt | it brings up the GPS for debugging | 13:10 |
| timeless | lbt: we have a much smaller app for that | 13:10 |
| lbt | lardman: use timeless' strings | 13:10 |
| auenf | ovi-maps is useful for wasting battery? | 13:10 |
| timeless | which gives prettier pictures | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: yes, though generally if you don't do it weongly, you can store assistance data which will help with bootstrapping. | 13:10 |
| ccooke | lbt: you can do that without ovi maps :-) | 13:10 |
| lardman | lbt: curiously I just tried ovi maps and it opened the GPS for 10s then closed it down | 13:10 |
| lardman | rubbish | 13:10 |
| lardman | lbt: will do | 13:10 |
| lbt | ccooke: I figure it has to have *some* use | 13:10 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: yes, but most agps implementations don't do that :-) | 13:10 |
| ccooke | lbt: nope, utter failure. | 13:11 |
| ccooke | :-) | 13:11 |
| lardman | ah ok, I can't log onto my network | 13:11 |
| lbt | I'm not logged in either | 13:11 |
| lardman | so Ovi maps just gave up and shut down the GPS rather than trying to fallback to normal non-assisted fixes | 13:11 |
| lbt | ie no wifi/gprs | 13:11 |
| lardman | rubbish | 13:11 |
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| lbt | well, I'm indoors | 13:11 |
| lbt | it may not have any GPS signal | 13:11 |
| lardman | yeah, perhaps | 13:12 |
| * timeless hopes this does the right thing | 13:13 | |
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| timeless | if not, i just deleted all of my applications :) | 13:13 |
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| * timeless really should delete some snapshots | 13:14 | |
| timeless | one of my snapshots costs ~1gb :) | 13:14 |
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| timeless | ooh, Entourage for mac Web Services Edition | 13:15 |
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| * timeless wonders wtf that means | 13:15 | |
| timeless | hrm, it seems to mean "we lost all of your settings" | 13:15 |
| auenf | entourage is mac equiv of outlook? | 13:16 |
| timeless | roughly | 13:16 |
| timeless | they aren't particularly related | 13:16 |
| cehteh | another question to one of the ones who has an device here: does the filesystem it uses have posix extended attributes? | 13:18 |
| t_s_o | hmm, bluetooth freezes after long connection? anyone else seen that? | 13:18 |
| timeless | cehteh: um | 13:18 |
| cehteh | ubifs or how was it called? | 13:19 |
| timeless | the vfat fs doesn't | 13:19 |
| timeless | the ext3 volume is well... hopefully... ext3 | 13:19 |
| cehteh | no not the vfat .. thats clear | 13:19 |
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| timeless | the other is ubifs, but you shouldn't be sticking lots of junk in it anyway | 13:19 |
| cehteh | but the system partition is on some strange flash filesystem iirx | 13:19 |
| timeless | yep | 13:19 |
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| timeless | but if you stick lots of junk there, you'll run out of space | 13:19 |
| cehteh | sure | 13:19 |
| * lardman curses very odd Windows XP behaviour re serial ports | 13:20 | |
| cehteh | i am thinking about ecryptfs and encrypting some data there | 13:20 |
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| timeless | um | 13:20 |
| timeless | that would go in ext3 | 13:20 |
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| cehteh | does it store user account settings, keys and so on on the ubifs? | 13:21 |
| timeless | no | 13:21 |
| timeless | /home/user is ext3 | 13:21 |
| cehteh | /etc/passwd .. /etc/ssh ? | 13:21 |
| timeless | well, gconf is in the wrong place, but ignoring that | 13:21 |
| timeless | you're planning on doing random stuff to /etc/passwd? | 13:22 |
| cehteh | logins for email and whatever? | 13:22 |
| timeless | sounds like a terrible idea. | 13:22 |
| timeless | gconf is the only botch | 13:22 |
| timeless | and i haven't spent enough time figuring that part out | 13:22 |
| timeless | for that you want a backup, which ideally should do the right thing | 13:22 |
| cehteh | not sure yet i have to see how its actually set up | 13:22 |
| cehteh | maybe i just do device encryption | 13:23 |
| timeless | if you're going to muck w/ /etc, i suggest you use .debs for each change | 13:23 |
| cehteh | prolly | 13:23 |
| timeless | the application manager can remember the things you'e installed | 13:23 |
| timeless | and when you reflash (if you ever do so..), it can try to get those packages back | 13:23 |
| cehteh | swap needs encryption too then :P | 13:23 |
| timeless | which will restore all of your customization | 13:23 |
| timeless | oh brother | 13:24 |
| cehteh | can you flash more than one kernel? | 13:24 |
| timeless | how about getting a nice palmV or something | 13:24 |
| cehteh | stable/experiemntal? | 13:24 |
| timeless | but remove the battery cover | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: N900 service manual - who gets this? | 13:24 |
| timeless | and tape something to the battery, so when someone takes your palm5 the battery doesn't go with them and the device forgets everything nearly immediately | 13:25 |
| timeless | much safer | 13:25 |
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| * tigert had a Handspring Visor palm clone back then | 13:26 | |
| tigert | things have progressed slightly :D | 13:26 |
| * timeless sighs | 13:26 | |
| tigert | and finally, FINALLY people are getting away from the "PDA" fixation when talking about touchscreen devices :) | 13:27 |
| timeless | tigert: so... | 13:27 |
| timeless | i just found my flight information for my flight to the states | 13:27 |
| * tigert likes touchscreen with thumbs and panning | 13:27 | |
| timeless | it was in my junk e-mail folder | 13:27 |
| tigert | hehe | 13:27 |
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| tigert | timeless: nokia mail? | 13:27 |
| timeless | yep | 13:27 |
| timeless | corporate booking | 13:27 |
| timeless | kalevala | 13:27 |
| tigert | the junk folder has caught *one* real spam during my years here | 13:27 |
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| tigert | everything else has been FAIL :) | 13:28 |
| timeless | depends on your definition of junk i suppose | 13:28 |
| tigert | exchange spam filtering sucks | 13:28 |
| timeless | i like it when internal appointments go there | 13:28 |
| tigert | yeah | 13:28 |
| lbt | spamassasin rulez | 13:28 |
| tigert | was thinking of the same :) | 13:28 |
| tigert | powerpoints -> spam! :) | 13:28 |
| timeless | tigert: also NSUs and internal release announcements | 13:28 |
| timeless | so... overall, it's being mostly helpful :) | 13:29 |
| timeless | besides the travel agency sends me SMSs ~4hrs before my flights | 13:29 |
| timeless | which is good, unless i'm asleep.. | 13:29 |
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| tigert | :) | 13:32 |
| gour | anyone can tell me something about maemo vs. moblin? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | moblin1 or moblin2? | 13:33 |
| timeless | gour: maemo is Nokia sponsored | 13:33 |
| gour | moblin2 | 13:33 |
| timeless | mobiln is sponsored by some list of forgetable companies | 13:33 |
| * timeless forgot | 13:33 | |
| timeless | has moblin1 or moblin2 made any press recently? | 13:33 |
| timeless | (disclosure: I work for Nokia) | 13:33 |
| gour | http://moblin.org/community/blogs/imad/2009/moblin-v2.1-project-release-netbooks-and-nettops-its-here | 13:34 |
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| timeless | (that doesn't mean that i remember everything my employer does either) | 13:34 |
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| gour | timeless: maemo will focus on qt over gtk+? | 13:34 |
| timeless | maemo.org has pages explaining its future | 13:34 |
| timeless | i'm sure they're more coherent than me atm | 13:35 |
| * timeless sniffles | 13:35 | |
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| timeless | the first picture i see on that page couldn't possibly work on a touchscreen as small as the n900's | 13:35 |
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| timeless | based on their description, moblin seems targetted and netbooks with atom processors | 13:36 |
| timeless | netbooks traditionally are much larger than phones | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | with GL capability | 13:36 |
| timeless | (the n900 is oddly enough a phone) | 13:36 |
| timeless | (and a good one at that..) | 13:36 |
| timeless | (and ask around, i rarely if ever have anything good to say about anything) | 13:37 |
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| gour | :-) | 13:37 |
| timeless | oh, and whomever wrote that blog needs an editor | 13:37 |
| gour | which distro you use? | 13:37 |
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| timeless | > adds full support for features such as plug-in support | 13:37 |
| ukki | X-Fade still on vacation? | 13:37 |
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| timeless | OS X, w7, Indiana, | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: who needs to get beaten over the unthemed addons menu btw? ;p | 13:38 |
| timeless | ukki: you were expecting him to take a 2 day vacation? | 13:38 |
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| timeless | sts: hush | 13:38 |
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| timeless | we're accepting patches :) | 13:38 |
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| Stskeeps | ow, hit by my own "less talk more doing" principle :/ | 13:38 |
| timeless | seriously, you wouldn't like it if we did it | 13:39 |
| timeless | so find someone to do it, it's just css | 13:39 |
| timeless | actually, time for lunch | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | is there still the easy way to disable flash anywhere? :P | 13:39 |
| ukki | timeless: know who handles his duties? | 13:39 |
| timeless | the find item from the n800/n810 days is gone | 13:39 |
| suihkulokki | ukki: ask tekojo | 13:39 |
| timeless | so you have to use the addons thing and select disable | 13:39 |
| tekojo | huh? | 13:40 |
| timeless | ukki: sorry, i'm here to heckle | 13:40 |
| timeless | for general problems, file a bug | 13:40 |
| * timeless kicks Entourage | 13:40 | |
| tekojo | ukki what's the matter? | 13:41 |
| timeless | where's the "Please quit at your earliest convenience" button | 13:41 |
| auenf | welp, i finally got around to putting my sip account into my n810 | 13:41 |
| gour | timeless: i've heard about moblin smart-phones as well...anyway | 13:41 |
| ukki | just wondering why my app never made it into -devel | 13:41 |
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| ukki | it built ok like 36 h ago | 13:42 |
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| tigert | timeless: cmd-alt-esc :) | 13:42 |
| tekojo | ukki jeremiah or Ferenc (forgot his nick...) can help | 13:42 |
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| tigert | or was it ctrl-cmd-esc | 13:42 |
| ukki | tekojo: thanks | 13:42 |
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| timeless | tigert: is that cancel? | 13:44 |
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| kynky | i thinkk moblin got support from intel | 13:48 |
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| hrw | kynky: moblin was intel project ;D | 13:52 |
| kynky | yeah | 13:52 |
| VDVsx | ukki, whats your app name ? | 13:53 |
| tigert | timeless: "kill app" dialog | 13:53 |
| kynky | seems intel and nokia work together on some stuff, http://maemo.org/news/announcements/intel_and_nokia_announce_the_ofono_project/ , http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CA4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slashgear.com%2Fintel-hspa-licensing-2347758%2F&ei=HUj9Ssf4JqG7jAfE6JGWCw&usg=AFQjCNGZIyfxez4Kuo9K2E6RuV_KeYJAtQ&sig2=878rjBLQixoil-Lant_3-Q | 13:53 |
| kynky | damn google | 13:54 |
| RST38h | kynky: This isn't exactly news | 13:54 |
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| kynky | old news :) | 13:54 |
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| RST38h | kynky: And before you ask, no, oFono is not in Maemo5 | 13:54 |
| kynky | or maemo6 ? | 13:55 |
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| RST38h | Prolly not there either but that is just an educated guess | 13:55 |
| Ronaldo38741 | timeless, when I asked about gcc, I meant: http://twitpic.com/pc72y | 13:55 |
| kynky | from what i read it wouldnt | 13:56 |
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| RST38h | Folks, anyone considered running Maemo-related meetings on Google Wave? | 13:56 |
| RST38h | Looks like a good platform for running brainstorms etc | 13:56 |
| kynky | well i applied for google wave beta ages ago, dont think i did it soon enough | 13:57 |
| Termana | Ronaldo38741: its unable to install Wikipedia's Dump :P lol | 13:57 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, really ? I don't like it very much :) | 14:07 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: Well, it is not gonna save the world, for sure. But looks like a nice alternative to an IRC channel, as it lets you instantly share data (images, code snippets, etc) | 14:09 |
| javispedro | that sounds like the description of google wave :) | 14:10 |
| RST38h | It is :) | 14:10 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, that's true, have you tried it ? | 14:10 |
| RST38h | Yes, just tried it | 14:10 |
| RST38h | javis: I got invited to the Wavem courtesy of icebox (tmo) | 14:10 |
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| RST38h | javis: Have been saying that it is worth trying to have some Maemo brainstorming session on the Wave | 14:11 |
| javispedro | dunno. | 14:11 |
| RST38h | javis: Like wazd/qwerty/etc discussing UI/artwork for transmission for example. Or collaborative debugging | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, if you want a invite pm | 14:11 |
| javispedro | from what I've read about Wave, it seems like it's been overhyped as for the "going to replace mail part". | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Correct | 14:12 |
| javispedro | but a good tool nonetheles | 14:12 |
| RST38h | But if you remove the hype, it is basically a conference engine with ability to share data | 14:12 |
| RST38h | Like collective GTalk+ | 14:12 |
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| javispedro | I guess I'll have to try it some day | 14:13 |
| wazd | I haven't found anything interesting in Wave presentations | 14:13 |
| RST38h | well there is mostly hype there | 14:14 |
| VDVsx | agrred | 14:14 |
| VDVsx | *agreed | 14:14 |
| pupnik | "wave" is just a name for what already happens | 14:15 |
| viq | RST38h: I think wave is too slow for the number of people that would be involved | 14:15 |
| RST38h | The word on the net is, role players use Wave a lot | 14:15 |
| * RST38h wonders if they have got a 20-sided die plugin for it =) | 14:15 | |
| RST38h | viq: you mean they will be connecting from their n900s? =) | 14:15 |
| pupnik | dice roller spplet using ogl es | 14:16 |
| javispedro | :) | 14:16 |
| * RST38h caught himself thinking: "Are 20-sided dice topologically possible?" | 14:17 | |
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| viq | I heard that too. I played bit around, and it is good to push some ideas around, insert a map or a vote... but not that much more, yet, I would say | 14:17 |
| viq | RST38h: I find it to be slow on a desktop | 14:18 |
| viq | RST38h: what, you mean you haven't held one before? ;) | 14:18 |
| * RST38h strokes his big black N900 | 14:19 | |
| javispedro | the pack of cigarretes! | 14:19 |
| viq | heh | 14:20 |
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| * viq still whines about no compass in it ;P | 14:20 | |
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| * javispedro 's gripe (will) be battery life | 14:20 | |
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| viq | that probably too | 14:21 |
| viq | but you can carry an extra battery, while adding hardware inside... | 14:21 |
| javispedro | well, you can get a normal compass | 14:21 |
| * RST38h votes for the windup handle | 14:22 | |
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| * lbt complains that they don't make a pink one | 14:23 | |
| Corsac | hey JPohlmann :) | 14:23 |
| JPohlmann | Hey there | 14:24 |
| pupnik | someone made a woodgrain finish for his | 14:24 |
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| auenf | you want a pink windup hangle? | 14:24 |
| lbt | RST38h: re D20.... absolutely not.... they're common | 14:24 |
| auenf | s/gle/dle/ | 14:24 |
| infobot | auenf meant: you want a pink windup handle? | 14:24 |
| pupnik | sidux+xfce is my favorite 400MB distro | 14:25 |
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| viq | javispedro: but you can't really make phone apps make use of normal compass | 14:25 |
| lbt | RST38h: http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/d20 ring.jpg | 14:25 |
| lbt | err RST38h: http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/d20%20ring.jpg | 14:26 |
| RST38h | umgh... | 14:26 |
| * RST38h has only seen them from the distance | 14:26 | |
| lbt | http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/crochet-d20.jpg | 14:26 |
| lbt | heh | 14:26 |
| lbt | for Myrtti ^^^ | 14:26 |
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| RST38h | should be pink, ideally | 14:26 |
| * lbt nods | 14:27 | |
| pupnik | fmradio needs 22.7MB if you dont like python | 14:27 |
| * ukki offers to show his n900 for a pint of beer at bar iguana in helsinki, offer availabe for 2.5 h | 14:27 | |
| pupnik | i bet i could fmradio in 227 KB | 14:27 |
| pupnik | :) | 14:27 |
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| RST38h | lbt: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-777 | 14:28 |
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| auenf | ukki, can you wait 30hrs while i fly there? | 14:28 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Please do, 5.5MB looks like an overkill =) | 14:28 |
| ukki | for a pint? no :( | 14:28 |
| lbt | heh | 14:28 |
| auenf | you've got no committment to your offer :P | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Oh, so with the python core it is 22+MB? | 14:28 |
| pupnik | yes | 14:29 |
| ukki | i said 2.5 h :) | 14:29 |
| auenf | sure, and i asked if you could wait for me to get there :P | 14:29 |
| RST38h | and he said no, case closed =) | 14:29 |
| pupnik | if ukki travels in circles in the bar at 0.98 c, will auenf arrive in time? | 14:30 |
| ukki | let me check my wife | 14:30 |
| pupnik | into the boards! | 14:30 |
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| ukki | she said if i wait for 30 h i can show it to you for a long time | 14:31 |
| shd | any idea how to import new certificates into N900? | 14:32 |
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| shd | need a certificate for EAP MSCHAPv2 | 14:32 |
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| auenf | 30h would depend on me getting a flight tonight | 14:32 |
| auenf | which is highly unlikely | 14:32 |
| _marcell_ | shd: click on the file in the filemanager | 14:32 |
| auenf | iirc, flights stop going out in 30mins | 14:32 |
| auenf | and its 45mins to the airport | 14:32 |
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| shd | _marcell_: thanks | 14:33 |
| shd | _marcell_: it would be helpful if connection manager would tell about that :) | 14:33 |
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| auenf | hmm, theres a flight in 40mis | 14:34 |
| auenf | but its too late to book | 14:34 |
| ukki | auenf: then i will take the option of having a home to go to | 14:35 |
| auenf | i suggest that, i dont have a passport either, which might be a problem | 14:36 |
| shd | _marcell_: it did install the certificate, however, it did not show in the connection manager when i try to select the certificate. it just displays None | 14:36 |
| ukki | auenf: i'm coming here next friday too | 14:37 |
| ukki | so get busy | 14:37 |
| avs | shd, did you mark it as trusted for wifi? | 14:38 |
| auenf | i better order a finland based surrogate with a rush | 14:38 |
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| shd | avs: selected it trusted for WLAN | 14:39 |
| wolfiR | hi, I'm a new n900 user and I wonder how/if I can add ogg vorbis support to the mediaplayer | 14:39 |
| auenf | ogg is in extras or extras-testing? | 14:39 |
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| shd | avs: it asked about the purpose: there were 3 categories: server, wlan, email | 14:39 |
| shd | it said, certificate installed successfully | 14:39 |
| wolfiR | auenf: I installed something but the player doesn't show ogg files from my upnp mediaserver | 14:39 |
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| auenf | what did you install? | 14:40 |
| wolfiR | let me check | 14:40 |
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| shd | avs: _marcell_: tried to install this certificate https://www.tut.fi/ca/certs/tut-ca.cer | 14:40 |
| pupnik | ogg in extras | 14:40 |
| wolfiR | auenf: it's called "Ogg support" | 14:40 |
| avs | shd, um, you added a CA cert for authenticating the network | 14:41 |
| shd | avs: that's the cert file that they instruct us to use for the WPA network | 14:41 |
| auenf | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/ogg-support/ | 14:41 |
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| avs | shd, is your problem now that you want to authenticate _yourself_ to the network, or authenticate the network? Which one? | 14:42 |
| kulve | wolfiR: I'm the author of the ogg support but I haven't actually tested it over UPNP. It may affect the situation what the media server reports as their mime-type. It could be e.g. application/ogg or audio/x-vorbis+ogg.. | 14:42 |
| shd | avs: authenticate myself to the network | 14:42 |
| kulve | wolfiR: which UPNP server are you using? | 14:42 |
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| avs | shd, then you need to provide your private key and your certificate. What you've probably done now is to install a new root, which is not what you want. | 14:43 |
| wolfiR | kulve: ok, it's a built in thing in the AVM FritzBox (common dsl modem/ap in germany) | 14:43 |
| avs | shd, so your network admins have provided you with a (probably) PKCS#12 envelope containing your private key and certificate. Install that, then retry. | 14:44 |
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| shd | avs: ack. i'll read more about this. thanks | 14:44 |
| avs | shd, or if you've created your private key yourself, and got it enrolled with your network CA, that's another possibility. | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp_ | andre__: 6138 =b | 14:45 |
| shd | avs: according to my friend who uses the same network on linux laptop, no personal certifiacte is needed from admins | 14:45 |
| avs | shd, then you're authenticating yourself with a password, right? | 14:46 |
| shd | avs: the idea is that one can just download the cert at the given page, and authenticate using user@domain + password | 14:46 |
| shd | avs: yes | 14:46 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, i still don't consider it a bug ;-) | 14:46 |
| eplawless | Is any of the Maemo 5 phone-related stuff accessible from within Scratchbox? | 14:46 |
| avs | shd, so why do you want to select a certificate then when connecting? Just give the password. | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp_ | andre__: give me a better place for publicly trackable feedback and i'll use it | 14:46 |
| timeless_mbp_ | but i don't believe there is such a place | 14:46 |
| shd | avs: it gives me authentication failure for some reason | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp_ | it's a problem with the product and its connective glue | 14:47 |
| andre__ | true | 14:47 |
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| timeless_mbp_ | if maemo.org relies on dreamhost for mxr.maemo.org (which it does) | 14:47 |
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| timeless_mbp_ | then it's imo ok to file a bug against bugs.maemo.org:mxr when dh goes down | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp_ | it'll get assigned to me, and i'll deal w/ it | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp_ | similarly, if scratchbox.org goes down | 14:47 |
| timeless_mbp_ | then having *one* bug on bugs.maemo.org noting "yes, it's down" | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp_ | isn't so bad | 14:48 |
| timeless_mbp_ | it's also ok for us to say "we can't do anything about it, but we'll comment when we notice it's back up" | 14:48 |
| kulve | wolfiR: could you check what mime type the File Manage says? Press and hold couple of seconds on the file and you should get a menu from where you can select "details" | 14:49 |
| kulve | wolfiR: but I'll have to leave for a while now. Back later | 14:49 |
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| wolfiR | kulve: I can only test it later when I'm @home | 14:50 |
| * timeless_mbp_ wtf's | 14:52 | |
| timeless_mbp_ | jeremiah: PING | 14:52 |
| woglinde | re | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp_ | Stskeeps: PING | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp_ | andre__: maybe_ping | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 14:53 |
| * javispedro can't wait for the "maybe_pong" :) | 14:53 | |
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| timeless_mbp_ | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/fremantle/source/gsfonts-8.14+v8.11+urw/debian/control?mark=1,16 | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp_ | please comment on line 16 | 14:53 |
| andre__ | maybe pong | 14:53 |
| timeless_mbp_ | if you have problems getting to that url, you can get the package from repository.maemo.org maemo5 sdk | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp_: looks correct | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp_ | Stskeeps: it's correct to have 2 Source: lines? | 14:54 |
| timeless_mbp_ | one randomly buried in the middle of a debian/control file? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | seemingily. thought it adds itself | 14:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's the *only* one that does that | 14:55 |
| timeless_mbp | everyone else plays nicely | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | packages (not source pkg) has Source: pointing the right place | 14:55 |
| javispedro | clearly it's a copy paste error I think | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | so usually autogenned | 14:55 |
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| ensi | hi, is there a way to "hildonize" a Qt QCheckBox widget? At least make it larger because out of the box its fricken tiny on the screen. | 14:56 |
| woglinde | ensi better ask on the maemo-qt list | 14:56 |
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| woglinde | qt devs are only sometimes here | 14:56 |
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| eplawless | Is there a way to initiate a phone call from the command line in Maemo 5? | 14:58 |
| woglinde | eplawless maybee possible with dbus | 14:58 |
| eplawless | ideally something like: phone-call 14165555555 | 14:58 |
| ensi | eplawless:maybe with a d-bus message | 14:58 |
| woglinde | qwerty would known | 14:58 |
| eplawless | I've been looking at Telepathy | 14:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok... so, i'm building the maemo5 xref now | 15:00 |
| eplawless | I can't find any binaries kicking around which would do the thing I'm after. I'd need it to be a terminal command... is that possible with dbus? | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it'll move over on sunday i think | 15:00 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: so the control file content is duplicated, that's all | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: that's broken/evil/stupid, no? | 15:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, obviously debian deals, but... | 15:00 |
| woglinde | eplawless dbus-send | 15:01 |
| woglinde | but you have to find out the dbus stuff to send | 15:01 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to remember the correct way to send gb's of data to dh | 15:01 | |
| woglinde | path and vars | 15:01 |
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| eplawless | woglinde: sounds promising | 15:02 |
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| ensi | eplawless: gl | 15:02 |
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| * None1 help | 15:06 | |
| * None1 ? | 15:06 | |
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| RST38h | Nickname did not help, I guess | 15:07 |
| _marcell_ | shd: we use pretty much the same method, and I installed the certificate for wlan and it worked. The select cerificate in the EAP/PEAP configuration still says None however. But that would be the personal certificate, I guess. | 15:09 |
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| Macer | hm | 15:11 |
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| woglinde | hi macer | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | morning III1 | 15:12 |
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| III1 | morning... | 15:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps, et al: mxr.maemo.org/fremantle is starting to grow files now | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | great | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | the indexer is running on another computer, and the index will shift on sunday | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 15:14 |
| RST38h | http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/2389.jpg | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i wonder if it's my fault | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd suck | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone check? | 15:15 |
| * RST38h rotfls a little bit | 15:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok. it's my fault | 15:15 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/13/nasa-turnes-iphone-into-chemical-sensor-can-an-app-store-reject/ <=== why, WHY not N900??? | 15:19 |
| woglinde | rst lol | 15:19 |
| kalikiana | "Memo 6" :P | 15:19 |
| kalikiana | close enough | 15:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, the gsfonts thing was my fault | 15:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i applied the patch twice :( | 15:20 |
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| Macer | need to illegally brand my open edition zimbra install haha | 15:21 |
| lbt | Meh, Zimbra is closed devil SW | 15:22 |
| zacky | fart detection app by Nasa, I guess they would indeed be rejected :p | 15:22 |
| Macer | hm | 15:23 |
| Macer | lbt: it's psuedo open | 15:23 |
| Macer | like maemo :) | 15:23 |
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| Macer | the open version works just as well as the network edition | 15:24 |
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| CShadowRun | Does N900 have some form of HD video out? looking at the specs it only seems to have SD out | 15:24 |
| Macer | the only difference is that you can't brand it and it doesn't have an exchange connector | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | CShadowRun, correct | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | it's same res as screen | 15:25 |
| CShadowRun | i'm sure i saw on videos it having HDMI out or something, oh well | 15:25 |
| lbt | Macer: yeah, it's pretty good really | 15:25 |
| CShadowRun | i assume by "Integrated GPS, Assisted-GPS, and Cell-based recievers", it means it has both a real GPS reciever, and A-GPS support | 15:25 |
| lbt | I just went to a presentation on it (by the owners) | 15:26 |
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| lbt | and they were saying how they wanted to do things like prevent people from 'supporting' the community version | 15:27 |
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| zaheerm | ouch | 15:27 |
| Macer | hahaha | 15:27 |
| lbt | yeah, very 'anti-community' stance by the core commercial team | 15:27 |
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| Macer | lbt: well... they probably said that so people don't think it will turn into linux based garbage :) | 15:27 |
| Macer | like gnome | 15:28 |
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| * lbt uses the Gnome search to find Macer.... easily | 15:28 | |
| lbt | slaps him with a Gnome fish | 15:28 |
| lbt | (odd what you find in a distro) | 15:28 |
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| Macer | all zimbra really needs to be complete is a better doc/spreadsheet editor | 15:29 |
| Macer | that works in firefox correctly | 15:29 |
| eplawless | The documentation refuses to tell me where I send my dbus phone call message to. | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | CShadowRun, it has a real GPS. A-GPS means it can ask an assitance server over the internet, for the calendar and ephemeris (sp?) instead of download it from the satellites, which is slow. The "Cell-based" part just means that it can guess where it is based on what Cell it is in, and get more relevant data from the assistance server | 15:29 |
| eplawless | Someone needs to beat the hell out of it until it gives in. | 15:29 |
| lbt | it's a shame ... I expect to see zimbra community edition become marginalised | 15:29 |
| CShadowRun | cool :) | 15:29 |
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| ShadowJK | But you know, the GPS antenna is stuck inside this tightly packed device, blocked in most directions by other electronics, and then the user probably blocks the rest of the free view with his hand or body, not to mention waves the device around so that it doesn't see any one single satellite for more than a split-second, making overall performance worse than dedicated GPS units ;-) | 15:31 |
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| CShadowRun | hehe | 15:32 |
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| eplawless | So I take it the final Maemo 5 SDK release doesn't have any of the telephony stuff included at all | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | it has telepathy but emulating a phone in sdk is .. | 15:52 |
| eplawless | none of the dbus services exist, I think a couple libraries/apis are missing | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | i guess some of the stuff you need a device for | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | A qemu target would be so nice in some ways. | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Even though toodles slower than the device | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | though oodles | 15:54 |
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| ShadowJK | it's good to dev for something slower than the real thing | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | if you make it run fast on the slow emulator, it'll only run half-slow on the real thing once users push it beyond everything you imagined ;p | 15:55 |
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| eplawless | there's a contest to win an N900, developing a specific kind of application. The thing I'm trying to do would focus pretty heavily on the phone subsystems, which I apparently need a device for. | 15:58 |
| eplawless | I can't get the device until I win the contest, student vow of poverty and all that. I can't win the contest unless I have the device, apparently :( | 15:59 |
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| viq | hm, | 16:00 |
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| viq | http://wiki.maemo.org/Digital_compass_howto#Connection_options | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | eplawless: ask for help on talk.maemo.org i guess | 16:01 |
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| Jaffa | Af'noon all | 16:04 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | Afternoon, you say? | 16:04 |
| lbt | 'afternoon' is irc-speak for 'sleepy' | 16:05 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | Ah. | 16:05 |
| wazd | http://s56.radikal.ru/i152/0911/34/a388e13890a0.png <- portrait transmission mock-up | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | Shiny | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | your current download queue? ;p | 16:07 |
| frals | *follwing livechat with some swedish nokia product manager* | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | (at least it's not ikea..) | 16:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :P | 16:08 |
| javispedro | lol | 16:08 |
| javispedro | a mockup and it even includes the actual torrents :) | 16:08 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, it's the best way to test UI :) | 16:09 |
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| samuel_ | hi all.. i'm an N810 user and would like to start developing some apps for the platform | 16:11 |
| samuel_ | i'm on ubuntu jaunty and karmic, how would i get started? | 16:12 |
| Myrtti | samuel_: great! have you looked into Mer? | 16:12 |
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| zacky | wazd: pretty :) | 16:13 |
| VDVsx | wazd, no Ikea, no deal :) | 16:13 |
| zacky | wazd: is this included in the next version? :p | 16:14 |
| samuel_ | nope, sorry what is Mer? | 16:14 |
| wazd | http://i071.radikal.ru/0911/c0/96272f1231b2.png <- you filthy pirates :D | 16:14 |
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| wazd | zacky: well, qwerty12 and me are working on it | 16:14 |
| Myrtti | samuel_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 16:15 |
| zacky | nice | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | I guess the "official" way to proceed is to download the Maemo 4.1 SDK... | 16:16 |
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| javispedro | wazd: one of the seeders of that is qwerty! :) | 16:19 |
| javispedro | well, I guess you knew already :) | 16:19 |
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| samuel_ | thx Myrtti | 16:20 |
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| wazd_ | http://i036.radikal.ru/0911/08/2e92e4301cc8.png | 16:22 |
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| RST38h | wazd: And make 'em scroll! | 16:24 |
| RST38h | (I mean file names) | 16:24 |
| hrw | wazd_: this is transmission on n900 or remote interface to transmission? | 16:25 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: dunno if it's possible | 16:25 |
| wazd_ | hrw: transmission itself | 16:25 |
| RST38h | wazd: Scrolling a text? Of course it is | 16:25 |
| kalikiana | wazd_, use a pannable | 16:25 |
| hrw | wazd_: ;( any plans to make transmission remote controller with this ui? | 16:26 |
| wazd_ | kalikiana: well, the idea is that you touh the item to see details | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Can't you do it yourself? I mean, implementing stuff in HTML is easy :) | 16:26 |
| kalikiana | wazd_, dialogs do that as well. hold to scroll, tap quickly to see details | 16:26 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_, oh :), but the furniture in the Swedish catalog is way better than the US one :) | 16:29 |
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| * javispedro looks for the n900 in the ddp page... uf, it's still there. | 16:30 | |
| frals | hmm, this Klas Ström guy at Nokia saying all kinds of stuff in this live chat.. "just enable extras-devel to get loads of more beta apps" "USB host is available in the beta-apps catalog" | 16:30 |
| hrw | RST38h: or just hack default web ui until will fit ;D | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | frals, tech support? | 16:31 |
| javispedro | "apt-get upgrade to extras-devel"! | 16:31 |
| mikhas | what's wrong with the extras-devel advice? at least it's not the red pill mode | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | frals: usb host is a bit odd.. | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:32 |
| frals | i think his title is product manager scandinavia or something like that | 16:32 |
| RST38h | hrw: http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/Transmission.html | 16:32 |
| RST38h | hrw: Needs a different font, icons for start/stop, and additional few cells for transfer information | 16:32 |
| frals | Stskeeps: yeah, thought so too, and recommding average joes to enable extras-devel might not be that smart either ;o | 16:32 |
| javispedro | RST38h: what, no ikea catalogs? | 16:32 |
| hrw | javispedro: but still not shipped? | 16:33 |
| javispedro | hrw: not shipped and not emails that I know of | 16:33 |
| hrw | javispedro: but ordered? | 16:34 |
| * javispedro has not yet | 16:34 | |
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| * RST38h hits javispedro with an Ikea catalog | 16:35 | |
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| * RST38h looks at the result critically, then adds a phone book for the good measure | 16:35 | |
| javispedro | I am the medium, I am the message, I am the IKEA 2010 CATALOG! | 16:36 |
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| * GiantTalkingCow takes out a flamethrower to burn the catalog. | 16:38 | |
| aSIMULAter | got the go ahead to go to barcelona, see you guys there! :) | 16:39 |
| hrw | btw - when it comes to Qt on maemo5 is Phonon also supported? | 16:39 |
| javispedro | see you aSIM! | 16:39 |
| javispedro | (hopefully :P ) | 16:39 |
| aSIMULAter | it would be great to meet the guy who made the app that i use the most :P | 16:40 |
| aSIMULAter | javispedro :D | 16:40 |
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| zaheerm | hrw, no | 16:41 |
| zaheerm | hrw, phonon is deprecated by the qt people | 16:41 |
| zaheerm | hrw, you should use gstreamer directly | 16:41 |
| javispedro | what about qt mobility multimedia api? | 16:41 |
| hrw | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/ - argh!! why those #@$@^@$^@ admins still did not fixed sorting!@!@!@ | 16:41 |
| hrw | zaheerm: que? | 16:41 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, far from ready and pretty shit really | 16:42 |
| javispedro | a | 16:42 |
| javispedro | using gstreamer glib api directly from a qt app.... | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | no paypal, i'm not in russia. | 16:42 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, what's the issue? :) | 16:42 |
| hrw | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt4-maemo5/libqt4-maemo5-phonon_4.6.0~git20091105-0maemo1_armel.deb exists | 16:42 |
| zaheerm | hrw, it's there but unsupported | 16:42 |
| VDVsx | humm, seems that our beloved friend Eldar is now a big motorola fan, lol | 16:42 |
| javispedro | zaheerm: well, doesn't look "right" -- but just that, I know it's perfectly usable | 16:42 |
| zaheerm | hrw, the qt guys have deprecated it | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Ok, whoever wants Transmission web control interface with wazd's style, continue hacking on http://fms.komkon.org/Maemo/Transmission.html | 16:43 |
| RST38h | It defines the general layout but requires more work of course | 16:43 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, ideally someone should write real qt bindings for gstreamer | 16:43 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, but noone from the qt camp has put any energy into them | 16:43 |
| hrw | zaheerm: so I wonder how now they want to provide transparency on different platforms? gstreamer on each? osx/win32/linux/bsd? | 16:43 |
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| zaheerm | hrw, gstreamer is fine on all of those | 16:43 |
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| javispedro | ideally, what about a qt-like api generator from glib-like apis | 16:44 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, yah they could use data from gobject-introspection | 16:44 |
| javispedro | or even just grab whatever Vala uses | 16:44 |
| zaheerm | javispedro, makes it very easy to generate bindings | 16:44 |
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| hrw | zaheerm: good to know | 16:45 |
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| andre__ | hmm. is there a nice term for the menu you get when pushing the On/Off hardware button, contrary to the "Statusbar menu"? | 16:46 |
| javispedro | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/multimedia/blobs/raw/7623c18722ff013bd7fc291b7336b128039e3005/doc/html/index.html | 16:46 |
| javispedro | ^^ qt mobility multimedia (just if you're interested to read something about it, I've not tried it) | 16:47 |
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| fiferboy | qwerty12: We just got another citizen :P | 16:49 |
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| hrw | zaheerm: in Qt 4.6-snapshot docs I do not see note about deprecating Phonon | 16:49 |
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| samuel_ | deprecating phonon? why would we ever do that? | 16:50 |
| RST38h | andre: "Please-die menu" | 16:50 |
| javispedro | not deprecating | 16:51 |
| javispedro | but just it seems it's not going to be the "beloved" son anymore | 16:51 |
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| RST38h | fiferboy: BTW, what is Canadian procedure for lynching? Do you use maple syrup and goose feathers? =) | 16:51 |
| andre__ | RST38h, you're a user and not a very tech term savvy guy, eh? ;-) | 16:51 |
| zaheerm | samuel_, because the api is crap, doesn't cover basic use cases | 16:51 |
| samuel_ | javispedro, in favor of what? please don't say gstreamer | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: That sounds about right | 16:52 |
| RST38h | andre: Just providing a functional description based on what I use that menu for =) | 16:52 |
| andre__ | :-D | 16:52 |
| javispedro | samuel_: according to a random blog post I'm searching right now, qt mobility multimedia | 16:52 |
| * RST38h hides, just in case fiferboy decides to demonstrate =) | 16:52 | |
| zaheerm | qt mobility multimedia is meant to "replace" phonon | 16:52 |
| zaheerm | but is also not a great API | 16:52 |
| zaheerm | if you need to do anything serious, you should use gstreamer directly | 16:53 |
| * fiferboy has four jugs of syrup at home, goes to collect some goose feathers | 16:53 | |
| javispedro | <samuel_> javispedro, in favor of what? please don't say gstreamer | 16:53 |
| javispedro | <fiferboy> RST38h: That sounds about right | 16:53 |
| javispedro | <RST38h> andre: Just providing a functional description based on what I use that menu for =) | 16:53 |
| javispedro | <andre__> :-D | 16:53 |
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| javispedro | damn | 16:53 |
| samuel_ | oh ok.. i did see that about qt mobility etc... yes.. it not to replace but to supplement i guess | 16:53 |
| javispedro | damn | 16:53 |
| javispedro | sorry | 16:53 |
| javispedro | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/09/09/multimedia-in-qt-whats-the-story/ | 16:53 |
| suihkulokki | graah, so in other words no sign of sanity in the linux audio space for anytime near? | 16:53 |
| javispedro | read that ^^ | 16:53 |
| kynky | alsa oss4 pulseaudio ? | 16:54 |
| zaheerm | that is the blog post talking about the death of phonon | 16:54 |
| zaheerm | kynky, multimedia is more than just audio output :) | 16:54 |
| kynky | <suihkulokki> graah, so in other words no sign of sanity in the linux audio space for anytime near? | 16:55 |
| * mgedmin wants firmware updates | 16:55 | |
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| kynky | i do understand the multi in multimedia :) | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | hey, who broke maemo extras-devel again? | 16:55 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, yah would be nice :) | 16:55 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Have you done the NSU update? | 16:55 |
| zaheerm | we were told not to do the NSU update | 16:56 |
| hrw | I just want Qt to be able to play all my media formats nevermind what it will be | 16:56 |
| * RST38h once again proposes to cleanse Linux audio space of false, transient gods | 16:56 | |
| mgedmin | fiferboy, no, how? I go to the NSU page, enter "n900" as the model, get zilch | 16:56 |
| zaheerm | hrw, use gstreamer then :) | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | Worked fine for me. At least it SAYS it updated firmware and wiped the device | 16:56 |
| hrw | xm,it,mod,s3m,mp3,ogg,flac,aac,h264 etc | 16:56 |
| RST38h | Let the /dev/dsp reign unchallengedm for it is the key, it is the gateway, etc | 16:56 |
| hrw | zaheerm: Phonon uses gstreamer and thats fine for me | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Yeah, If you disable flash on that page there is a direct link to download ;) | 16:56 |
| kynky | zaheerm, i created a multimedia player in C++ in my final year project for uni | 16:56 |
| zaheerm | hrw, it uses gstreamer badly | 16:56 |
| zaheerm | hrw, noone maintains the phonon-gst backend | 16:57 |
| hrw | zaheerm: it plays so for me it is enough | 16:57 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: is it safe? | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy, there's a download link for some windows .exe thingy | 16:57 |
| fiferboy | Some people say no, but I had no problem (once I bought a SIM card :() | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | I want SSU! | 16:57 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Yeah, NSU is a windows program | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | plus an image, for emergencies | 16:57 |
| fiferboy | An image would be a good security measure, in case the NSU decides to cack | 16:58 |
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| fiferboy | All that being said, I see absolutely no difference except for the version number in "About Product" | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | some bugs were supposedly fixed | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Hmm....Maemo5 Products voting troubles continue | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Somebody just voted on Sliderule, 9 times in 2 minutes | 17:00 |
| javispedro | bugs fixed? omg thats frontpage material | 17:00 |
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| zaheerm | fiferboy, do: gst-inspect dspvdec | 17:01 |
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| zaheerm | fiferboy, and check what version of the dsp video decoders are on the release firmware | 17:01 |
| zaheerm | hopefully they fixed a few bugs in them | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | 0.5.0-0maemo16+0m5 | 17:02 |
| fiferboy | For the DSP plugin | 17:02 |
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| zaheerm | same on mine | 17:02 |
| zaheerm | so they didn't | 17:02 |
| zaheerm | guess have to wait until the december release for improvements there | 17:03 |
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| fiferboy | Assuming that the NSU worked properly on "non-final" hardware | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | fiferboy: So, all the usual bugs are in the new firmware as well? | 17:04 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: What does XTerm app menu look like for example? | 17:05 |
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| fiferboy | I haven't been using it long enough to tell, but I haven't had the "USB charging doesn't work" bug yet | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: "New" and "Font" | 17:05 |
| RST38h | same then... hmm | 17:06 |
| fiferboy | I'm starting to think the NSU might not actually have applied any changes... | 17:06 |
| fiferboy | Except for the product info | 17:07 |
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| RST38h | easy to check with dpkg -L | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | Product info comes from cal | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | I find that hard to believe | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | okay, Jaffa convinced me | 17:07 |
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| Jaffa | :) | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | Reflashing that whilst not changing anything else sounds feasible | 17:08 |
| fiferboy | At least it didn't brick my phone :) | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | hm, I don't see any packages with version numbers resembling the old one | 17:09 |
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| mgedmin | could it be that our amsterdam image does not support SSU? | 17:09 |
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| * mgedmin tried dpkg -l|grep 41-10 | 17:10 | |
| * mgedmin tried dpkg -l|grep rx | 17:10 | |
| mgedmin | nothing that looks like "this is a metapackage that depends on the right versions of all core system components" | 17:10 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: I thought I read somewhere that SSU wouldn't be usable until the device had a full reflash, but I might have been dreaming | 17:10 |
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| RST38h | fiferboy: correct | 17:12 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: your amsterdam image does support ssu, but the changes in the production image lie lower than ssu | 17:13 |
| mgedmin | that's good to know, RST38h | 17:13 |
| RST38h | ssu will only allow you to update whatever is represented with a .deb | 17:13 |
| mgedmin | but wait a sec, didn't the n810 have special provisions for updating the kernel/initfs via deb upgrades? | 17:14 |
| RST38h | I think you can still do that in n900 | 17:14 |
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| RST38h | So, there is some other code there that needs to be updated | 17:15 |
| fiferboy | Here is the post explaining that: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372295&postcount=17 | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | hm, interesting! | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | so even NSU doesn't work | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | I assume NSU flashes a fiasco image | 17:17 |
| fiferboy | Yep, although the kernel version is increased | 17:17 |
| javispedro | interesting | 17:18 |
| javispedro | I guess all you loaners are still fscked ;) | 17:18 |
| fiferboy | So, I'm not actually running the latest firmware | 17:18 |
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| fiferboy | javispedro: Until they release a full image for flasher :) | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | no, that doesn't make much sense | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | maybe NSU does something smart that requires more cooperation from the n900 than the amsterdam device can currently provide | 17:19 |
| hrw | question: is python-qt4 available for fremantle? | 17:19 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Could be. It certainly looked like it was working. It downloaded the image, the progress bar came across in the device while flashing, the device rebooted in a clean state | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | curious | 17:20 |
| javispedro | I guess the updating process is really diferent | 17:20 |
| lcuk | we should all return to amsterdam to have our devices reflashed on site | 17:20 |
| javispedro | for a start it may need to write to eMMC | 17:20 |
| javispedro | diablo devices didn't do that | 17:20 |
| frals | lcuk, send one of yours my way, ill reflash it :rolleyes: | 17:20 |
| kalikiana | lcuk, and have more free food? :P | 17:20 |
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| mgedmin | frals, where exactly in sweden are you? ;) | 17:21 |
| * javispedro tries google wave | 17:21 | |
| lcuk | i just wanna play on one of those scooter bikes again (H) | 17:21 |
| frals | stockholm | 17:21 |
| javispedro | well, the interface looks the usual google spartan | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | nah, too far | 17:21 |
| frals | the "right" side ;) | 17:21 |
| javispedro | muuuch more javascripty than the original gmail, which is something I don't like | 17:21 |
| frals | all the swedish n900s seems to be down around malmö/gbg from what ive seen | 17:21 |
| frals | i tried google wave the other day, my firefox did not enjoy it (neither did i :P) | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | closer to amsterdam :) | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | anybody tried google wave with MicroB? | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | I chickened out | 17:22 |
| frals | id be reluctant to try wave on a netbook if how it ran on this machine is any indication | 17:23 |
| aakashd | hi guys, is it ok to promote a testday on irc.mozilla.org for fennec beta 5 ? | 17:23 |
| aakashd | it'll be just one line every two hours | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | maybe /topic? but nobody reads #maemo /topic, it's too long | 17:24 |
| frals | scripted ads *shivers* | 17:24 |
| aakashd | it's not scripted | 17:24 |
| lcuk | aakashd, is fennec in extras-testing yet? | 17:24 |
| aakashd | i do it manually :) | 17:24 |
| lcuk | cos you can have testing all day every day if it is | 17:24 |
| aakashd | lcuk: beta 5 should be available in extras | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | aakashd, personally I'd prefer to see such announcements on planet.maemo.org | 17:24 |
| lcuk | extras-testing is the path to extras | 17:24 |
| aakashd | mgedmin: we have set up a fennec blog on maemo | 17:24 |
| aakashd | there should have been an announcement about it | 17:25 |
| aakashd | actually, not testdays sorry | 17:25 |
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| frals | mentioning it here once in a while would be cool so people are aware thou | 17:25 |
| aakashd | we didn't promote them through the blogs associated with maemo | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | aakashd, I noticed a flurry of fennecy posts lately, but I think they've all been truncated to 2 lines or so | 17:25 |
| frals | on the other hand im just a lurker so dont listen to me | 17:25 |
| mgedmin | I don't read truncated posts | 17:25 |
| aakashd | lcuk: not yet, but Pavlov_ should know | 17:25 |
| aakashd | mgedmin: ahhh | 17:26 |
| lcuk | aakashd, note all the apps here ;) they all need same amount of pushing http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | aakashd, 3g on the bus = clicking on 'original post' takes too long for me to bother, unless those two lines looked _really_ interesting | 17:27 |
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| wazd_ | qwerty12: around? | 17:28 |
| aakashd | mgedmin: but then you miss out on all the cool messages about fennec :) | 17:28 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_: Hiya | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | If people are looking for things to test... | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.6-1/ | 17:28 |
| fiferboy | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/personal-photo-frame/0.3-2/ | 17:28 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/openttd/0.7.3-1maemo1 | 17:29 |
| * qwerty12 is in the mood to thumb things down... | 17:29 | |
| aakashd | mozQA is holding a testday on fennec 1.0 beta 5!! Come join us in #testday on irc.mozilla.org to get started. | 17:29 |
| aakashd | that was the message :) | 17:29 |
| * fiferboy hides the links | 17:29 | |
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| qwerty12 | Lo and behold, links appear to satify this desire! | 17:29 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12: http://i036.radikal.ru/0911/08/2e92e4301cc8.png | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | aakashd, is that now? | 17:29 |
| * javispedro shoots qwerty12 | 17:29 | |
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| aakashd | mgedmin: yeah it is | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12: Ha! Too late. I already hid them | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 17:29 |
| aakashd | good point | 17:29 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_: For the love of God, Hello Kitty?! | 17:29 |
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| wazd_ | qwerty12: that will distract people from IKEA :D | 17:30 |
| javispedro | people are NEVER distracted from IKEA | 17:30 |
| javispedro | it's a maemo status symbol | 17:30 |
| javispedro | the n900 is the best phone to download ikea catalogs | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | is there an ikea app? there should be an ikea app | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | (some assembly required) | 17:31 |
| qwerty12 | Hmm, 1.2009.42.2 is available for German N900s | 17:31 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: You mean to randomly generate Swedish sounding names for your products? | 17:31 |
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| qwerty12 | If I can get it to download, may as well flash it | 17:31 |
| javispedro | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200911/errord/wtf.jpg | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | fiferboy, there has to be one, i've seen chinese websites use them | 17:32 |
| wazd_ | TRANNSJMYSJSYONYN :D | 17:32 |
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| lopz | hey ;) | 17:34 |
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| qwerty12 | For all NSU haters: http://imgur.com/25G3I.jpg and http://imgur.com/AMdiO.png | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | what's that nanifirm thing? | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | Downloads the firmware images from the NSU servers. NSU refused to believe I had a phone connected, and Nokia are taking their sweet time releasing the images themselves | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | I don't suppose there's a linux version... | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12 = best source of counterfeit | 17:48 |
| Corsac | there's no e900 firmware available | 17:49 |
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| ShadowJK | lol, e900 | 17:49 |
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| wazd_ | I really don't get what's happening with DDP | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | a deafening silence | 18:07 |
| wazd_ | it chats with everybody except me | 18:07 |
| wazd_ | DDP.program@nokia.com - is this e-mail correct? | 18:09 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: heh, someone has my stskeeps user name and i'm quite sure it isn't me :P | 18:09 |
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| wazd_ | Stskeeps: lol | 18:10 |
| fiferboy | Stskeeps: That happens to me periodically too | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | fiferboy: i have a very unique nickname. except for some turk and one malaysian which likes my nick from my ircd days. | 18:10 |
| w00t_ | haha. | 18:11 |
| w00t_ | you can imagine how unique mine is | 18:11 |
| w00t_ | ..not :-( | 18:11 |
| wazd_ | wazd is damn unique too :) | 18:11 |
| * mgedmin gave up trying to claim 'mg' everywhere | 18:11 | |
| * qwerty12 will make it a new year resolution to say "w00t" on #maemo once a day, just to annoy w00t. | 18:11 | |
| wazd_ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficial&hs=utJ&q=wazd&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g2g-s2g2g-s4 | 18:12 |
| w00t_ | qwerty12: i'm very much used to it by now | 18:12 |
| * mgedmin had the brilliant idea of combining the first two letters of his given name and surname and trying to claim 'mage' | 18:12 | |
| w00t_ | I usually just jump in with a humerous quip whenever it happens and other than that, ignore it | 18:12 |
| * mgedmin discovered it was already taken, for some reason, usually | 18:12 | |
| wazd_ | Radio Station WAZD 88.1 FM Savannah TN | 18:12 |
| qwerty12 | w00t_: Damn :( | 18:12 |
| wazd_ | HAAA :D | 18:12 |
| w00t_ | wazd_: did you get the military stuff sorted btw? | 18:12 |
| wazd_ | w00t_: yep, at last | 18:12 |
| w00t_ | good :) | 18:13 |
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| Milo- | with maemo's map program, can you save locations and add actions to them? | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | Milo-, I didn't see anything like that in ovi maps, no | 18:13 |
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| cehteh | like automaticaly opening the garage door when you approach home? | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | maemo mapper is not out yet for fremantle :/ | 18:13 |
| wazd_ | Wazd Abdol | Facebook | 18:14 |
| wazd_ | oh my, it's a name! | 18:14 |
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| Milo- | cehteh like launchingg a program with parameter from the saved location | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: time to change name to Wazd Dezign or something | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:16 |
| Milo- | for example my bus-stop application seeks for next 5 busses that reaches a given busstop | 18:16 |
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| Milo- | so saving those bus stops in the map application is handy | 18:16 |
| Milo- | but how about taking the saved name as parameter and sending it to the request app I wrote? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | am i weird for feeling like application manager should be under settings? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:17 |
| RST38h | Oh shit, I am now getting those "page has been commented" in batched of 10-15 | 18:18 |
| RST38h | batches | 18:18 |
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| wolfiR | kulve: I have checked what file type is displayed for the ogg files in the file manager (from upnp server) and it's "Ogg multimedia file" | 18:18 |
| RST38h | Somebody, please, fix this! | 18:18 |
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| wolfiR | kulve: I also confirmed that I can see and play ogg files locally | 18:18 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Add maemo.org to your spam list =) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | qwerty: This navifirm thing looks sweet, mind if I use it on my wife's 5800? ;) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I still suspect someone is running a bot to vote Maemo5 apps down | 18:19 |
| cehteh | btw garmin has this nice theft protection that you can only unlock the device at a given location | 18:19 |
| kulve | wolfiR: I have some UPNP server as well. I'll try with that at some point | 18:19 |
| cehteh | (after a coold reboot and some password fails or so) | 18:19 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: Have Phoenix installed? ;) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | qwerty: At least it comes in waves characteristic to some script kiddie idly pressing a button | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: I blame Android-lovers | 18:20 |
| kulve | wolfiR: if you want, you could file a bug report to bugs.maemo.org against ogg-support, so I can't forget this ;) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Not yet, but I would rather use Phoenix than whatever Nokia suggests for normal users (PC Suite?) | 18:20 |
| wolfiR | kulve: ah, will do | 18:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I blame some Oct2009er finally losing his mind on tmp | 18:20 |
| RST38h | tmo | 18:20 |
| RST38h | qwerty: The Tentacled One claims another victim of his human brains diet | 18:21 |
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| qwerty12 | That bastard | 18:21 |
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| fiferboy | w00t! My N900 actually gets GPS connection with a SIM | 18:27 |
| fiferboy | (apologies to w00t ;) | 18:28 |
| lbt | yeah... but it then tells yoy you're in Canada.... nm :) | 18:28 |
| qwerty12 | Ha | 18:29 |
| fiferboy | Actually, it says I am underwater in Scotland... | 18:30 |
| w00t_ | fiferboy: ;-) | 18:30 |
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| ShadowJK | omg, the loch ness monster has a n900? | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | ;) | 18:31 |
| Corsac | scottish waters sources are famous :) | 18:31 |
| lcuk | RT: @fiferboy arriving at davey jones' locker. bigger than i expected | 18:32 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if gpxview does caching | 18:33 | |
| fiferboy | My brother-in-law was born in Canada, grew up at Loch Ness, and lives in Wales. He sounds like Shrek | 18:33 |
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| lbt | heh | 18:33 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Poor, poor man | 18:34 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, "born in Canada"... | 18:34 |
| Ronaldo38741 | "lives in Wales" | 18:34 |
| * fiferboy calls in a hit on qwerty12 | 18:34 | |
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| woglinde | re | 18:36 |
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| lardman | bye chaps | 18:40 |
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| fiferboy | ~thp++ | 18:41 |
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| fiferboy | thp: The tag clous looks amazing! I have been looking for something like that! | 18:42 |
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| zaheerm | thp, i am ready to add a subscribe to feed in zoutube | 19:10 |
| zaheerm | thp, what do i need to do to get it integrated with gpodder? | 19:10 |
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| KMFDM | http://tweakers.net/ext/i/imagelarge/1258122942.png | 19:14 |
| KMFDM | someone got OOo working on the n900 | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | old? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:15 |
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| Messi | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html | 19:15 |
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| kalikiana | KMFDM, easydebian? :) | 19:15 |
| kalikiana | it's in the repos | 19:15 |
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| taril | evening! | 19:51 |
| taril | whatsup? | 19:51 |
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| woglinde | nope | 19:53 |
| taril | N900: only landscape mode for applications? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:53 |
| woglinde | xrandr isnt working? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | portrait for the apps that tell the system they support portrait | 19:54 |
| taril | cool | 19:54 |
| taril | so am not worry anymore :) | 19:54 |
| taril | worried | 19:54 |
| taril | what about compiz? | 19:55 |
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| taril | wommby effect etc :) | 19:55 |
| taril | wommblxy | 19:55 |
| taril | wobbly | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | the hildon desktop is quite good at the effects it needs to do | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | without sacrificing usability | 19:56 |
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| aakashd | mozQA is holding a testday on fennec 1.0 beta 5!! Come join us in #testday on irc.mozilla.org to get started. | 20:02 |
| fiferboy | wobbly effect would only be useful if you could move windows :) | 20:02 |
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| felipec | anybody familiar with mafw? | 20:07 |
| Xisdibik | fiferboy: what if you could shake the n900 and it would wobble your screen? ;) | 20:08 |
| fiferboy | Xisdibik: That would be awesome! | 20:08 |
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| Xisdibik | fiferboy: though it might make it hard to read when your uising your n900 as a GPS while offroading in your truck ;) | 20:10 |
| fiferboy | :D | 20:10 |
| Xisdibik | has anyone been confirmed to have recieved there n900 aside from the 300? | 20:11 |
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| dmj726 | put one in my hands and I'll say yes! | 20:12 |
| Xisdibik | haha | 20:12 |
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| wazd_ | ok, now I can oficcialy say to DDP - fuck you, whale. | 20:14 |
| wazd_ | officialy* | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | no answer? | 20:14 |
| wazd_ | yep, they just ignore me | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | sucks :/ | 20:14 |
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| zaheerm | felipec, i found a video that gives create_node: dsp node create failed when playing a video | 20:14 |
| zaheerm | felipec, you want me to provide you with the video? | 20:15 |
| woglinde | hi felipec | 20:15 |
| felipec | zaheerm: sure | 20:15 |
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| felipec | woglinde: hi there :) | 20:15 |
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| wazd_ | damn, I'm so pissed | 20:16 |
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| woglinde | wazd whats up? | 20:16 |
| crashanddie_ | Hi guys, does anyone have the pinout of the I2C connector behind the battery? | 20:16 |
| crashanddie_ | (and the other bunch of connectors) | 20:16 |
| wazd_ | even google gave me an invite to wave from VDVsx in 1 hour instead of one week | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | wazd: email qgil maybe? | 20:17 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: no answer | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | does your e-mail work? | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:18 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: I assume he's all in that Barcelona stuff | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | hmm...it usually takes 1-2 days to get an answer from qgil, he is busy apparently | 20:18 |
| lbt | hmm | 20:18 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: I e-mailed him like a week ago or so | 20:18 |
| lbt | what "product" does an SDK bug go under? | 20:18 |
| RST38h | platform | 20:18 |
| zaheerm | felipec, ok emailed you with the url to get the file | 20:18 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12: ? | 20:19 |
| lbt | RST38h: d'oh my bookmark had already gone to Applications... ta | 20:19 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: There are no SDK bugs. Those are just features to work around and make you a stronger person. | 20:19 |
| qwerty12 | crashanddie: No idea | 20:20 |
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| woglinde | jesus | 20:20 |
| lbt | uh huh... binary doesn't have required .so ? | 20:20 |
| woglinde | who wants wave? | 20:20 |
| lbt | lets see them wiggle away from that one... | 20:20 |
| woglinde | hm same people who wanted orkut | 20:20 |
| woglinde | or gaymail | 20:20 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12: oh dude :( You always have the fancy documents people need :( | 20:21 |
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| fiferboy | It is a common belief that qwerty12 is powered by google. In actual fact, google is powered by qwerty12 | 20:29 |
| fiferboy | If qwerty12 doesn't know it, it can't be known | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: you're right, g_nokia needs more magic than that | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | for usbnet | 20:39 |
| felipec | zaheerm: I don't think we support DivX 5... we only support the versions similar to MPEG-4 | 20:39 |
| zaheerm | felipec, it shows it in the caps | 20:39 |
| zaheerm | felipec, and it links fine | 20:39 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: ok, I guess we do then :) | 20:40 |
| zaheerm | video/x-divx divxversion: [ 4, 5 ] | 20:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: :). Is g_ether not present on the device? | 20:41 |
| zaheerm | felipec, does the file reproduce it on your n900? | 20:41 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: it took a long time to download (unzipping now) | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: correct | 20:41 |
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| felipec | zaheerm: whoo, that's 720p, it's unsupported | 20:42 |
| zaheerm | it'd be nice for it to error out a little nicer then :) | 20:42 |
| felipec | zaheerm: indeed, can you file a bug report? | 20:43 |
| zaheerm | sure | 20:43 |
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| zaheerm | bug files, thx for preliminary answer | 20:47 |
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| pupnik | we have tablet-encode | 20:59 |
| RST38h | which calls mencoder anyway | 20:59 |
| felipec | ffmpeg is better :) | 21:01 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:04 |
| Xisdibik | Hey guys, random question, Does the video player for the n900 support subtitles and different audio tracks in a single video (ie, japanese and english or something) | 21:04 |
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| dmj726 | Xisdibik: I can't speak to to built in video player, but vlc and mplayer are both available in the repository | 21:05 |
| Xisdibik | dmj726: yea, i knew vlc would be fine for it, was wondering more for hte built in one (sorry shoulda specified) | 21:06 |
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| dmj726 | I wish I knew | 21:07 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: ping | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: pong | 21:09 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: got an interesting mail from TI? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | me? no, did you? | 21:10 |
| javispedro | yeah, forwarding to you | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, that's a good mail | 21:12 |
| javispedro | let's wait a few minutes before doing anything, in case he replies to your previous mail too | 21:12 |
| wazd_ | "Dear javispedro, we want you to be our CEO" :D | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | wazd: lol | 21:16 |
| fluff | 20:18:19 * Grillo hatar hus som inte har räta vinklar eftersom man inte kan använda räta ut vinklar-funktionen i OSM | 21:19 |
| fluff | ehm | 21:19 |
| fluff | wrong again. | 21:19 |
| ShadowJK | hah | 21:20 |
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| ShadowJK | felipec, DivX5 should decode fine as mpeg4 though, iirc... | 21:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Divx6 too | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | but then there's the DivX container format, which is some abuse of .avi to add interactive-ish features.. | 21:21 |
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| ShadowJK | "DivX 3.11 ;-)" on the other hand, is equivalent to Microsoft MPEG4 version 3, iirc, and isn't compatible with standard mpeg4 decoders... | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | Though it was so popular in use that lots of DVD/xvid/divx set-top box players had to support it anyway | 21:23 |
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| felipec | ShadowJK: yeap, that's correct, but at some point DivX stops being compatible with MPEG-4, right? Definitely DivX 7 is something else | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast at one point they were claiming their "new" divx is old divx with h264 features bolted on top while remaining compatible | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | but I haven't seen any Divx7 in the wild anyway.. | 21:31 |
| Jaffa | BTW (reading scrollback) latest tablet-encode has a "--hq" mode (higher quality at same bitrate, but slower to encode) and a very cool to see "n900" preset which encodes at 800x480. Great with 720p content | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | hm, should make a SmartQ preset :) | 21:32 |
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| ShadowJK | Jaffa, is that N900 preset h264 or mpeg4? | 21:32 |
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| suihkulokki | pirates will always invent new incompatble formats to be leet... | 21:33 |
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| Jaffa | ShadowJK: still mpeg4 | 21:34 |
| felipec | I don't think tablet-encode is needed any more | 21:34 |
| ShadowJK | suihkulokki, nah, they're still using xvid aren't they? | 21:34 |
| felipec | just use FFmpeg to re-encode to whatever resolution you want, that's it | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | felipec: If you've got 720p HD content off the internet | 21:34 |
| ShadowJK | Although the anime people have moved on to 1080p h264 with 8-channel FLAC in mkv, with SRT or ASS softsubs.. | 21:34 |
| Jaffa | felipec: the point of tablet-encode is to make it trivial; not everyone can remember every needed mencoder or ffmpeg option | 21:35 |
| dmj726 | good defaults are important for avoiding nasty, awful encodings | 21:36 |
| ShadowJK | ffmpeg defaults to speed, iirc | 21:36 |
| dmj726 | reencoding video can produce very bad image quality if people use the wrong settings | 21:36 |
| felipec | Jaffa: ffmpeg -i input -s 800x480 output.mp4 | 21:36 |
| javispedro | bitrate! codec! | 21:36 |
| suihkulokki | ShadowJK: didn't they go mkv with some h264 variant? | 21:37 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: +1 | 21:37 |
| felipec | javispedro: FFmpeg uses MPEG-4 by default, so you don't to set it | 21:37 |
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| ShadowJK | suihkulokki, yes, it's mostly h264+mkv. Sound varies | 21:37 |
| javispedro | felipec: and which bitrate? "enough" ? | 21:37 |
| ShadowJK | The most extreme example I saw was a 16 gigabyte file, and it had 8 channel FLAC :-) | 21:37 |
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| felipec | javispedro: you don't need the bitrate: ffmpeg -i input -sameq -s 800x480 output.mp4 | 21:38 |
| JosefAssad | moin | 21:38 |
| javispedro | -sameq is default indeed iirc | 21:38 |
| javispedro | but that sucks... | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | does sameq actually work for h264 -> mpeg4? | 21:38 |
| felipec | it should, the quality is codec-independent | 21:39 |
| ShadowJK | If it just uses the same quantizer, it'll suck, because they don't have the same meaning in h264 and mpeg4 | 21:39 |
| ShadowJK | (but it'll be more than enough for DVD->mpeg4) | 21:39 |
| JosefAssad | I'm probably doing something silly, but if I run python2.5 interactively I cna import PyQt4 but not if I do it from a script. Anyone know what the matter might be? http://pastebin.ca/1670310 | 21:40 |
| lcuk | which repo is xchatn900 in | 21:40 |
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| felipec | anyway, I don't see the point of tablet-encode, I prefer mine one :) http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/transcoding-for-the-internet-tablets-the-smart-way/ | 21:42 |
| lcuk | felipec, that works from linux, the official transcoder works in windows :p | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | felipec: I thought you said you should just use ffmpeg. NIH FTW | 21:43 |
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| felipec | Jaffa: for the N900, yeah, but not for the N8x0 | 21:43 |
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| Jaffa | Then you've not yet seen "Media format not supported" on the N900. Good for you. | 21:44 |
| felipec | and if you know the resolution that you want | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | which is dependent on the input resolution | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, I don't need more users. Scratches my itch; glad you haven't got one. | 21:45 |
| felipec | Jaffa: the input resolution? if you transcode to a resolution below 800x480, it should work | 21:46 |
| ShadowJK | mod 16? | 21:46 |
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| felipec | ShadowJK: that's not needed | 21:46 |
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| Jaffa | felipec: and if you have a 640x362 video in some weird format? | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 21:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | A more pointless argument you could not have come up with, felipec. | 21:47 |
| felipec | Jaffa: ffmpeg -i weird -sameq -s 640x362 good.mp4 | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | I encoded a few videos for someone with an N900. He reported that the built in media player coped well if the video had non-square pixels | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | so you can get the aspect ratio right even if you always encode to 800x480, I'd think | 21:47 |
| JosefAssad | ok never mind, PEBKAC | 21:47 |
| lcukn900 | triangle pixels are best, they remind me of pizza | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I have questions if anyone can see the difference in actual videos between 800x480 and 400x240 on a 3.5" screen | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, yes. | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | At >20cm | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, yes. | 21:49 |
| felipec | ShadowJK: there's a bug in PR1.0 for resolutions not multiple of 16, but that's fixed on PR1.1 | 21:49 |
| lcukn900 | 800x480 is overkill battery and bandwidth wise | 21:49 |
| dmj726 | Oblong pixels are best | 21:49 |
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| microlith | I like pixels of irregular shape | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcukn900, I disagree. | 21:49 |
| lcukn900 | the tv shows dl are normally not that res anyway | 21:49 |
| microlith | makes life interesting | 21:49 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: short sightedness can be an advantage. | 21:49 |
| * wazd_ 's close to the "deadly drunk" mode | 21:50 | |
| felipec | lcukn900: you can play WVGA videos for more than 6 hours on the N900 AFAIK | 21:50 |
| lcukn900 | well thats a shock | 21:50 |
| lcukn900 | cos with screen on mid bright i watched between 3-4 episodes per battery | 21:50 |
| lcukn900 | 42mins each | 21:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: I have a short sighted left eye, which is of use in this situation. | 21:50 |
| felipec | lcukn900: MPEG-4? | 21:51 |
| lcukn900 | just checkiing | 21:51 |
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| lcukn900 | im not on latest latest flash yet but im watching everytime | 21:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles chucks at a "Niels" pulling out the definition of guru on maemo-guru | 21:51 | |
| lcukn900 | i have lots of similar movies | 21:52 |
| lcukn900 | and have been travelling with device quite often so take some eachtime | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: x-fade not staying offline? :P | 21:53 |
| lcukn900 | 624x352 xvid avi mp3 audio | 21:53 |
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| felipec | lcukn900: well, the only heavily optimized decoder we have is MPEG-4... but most probably H.264 will perform similarly soon | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, dunno, he set his URL to "maemo.nokia.com" and it doesn't really match his style. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure what other Niels it could be, thoug.h | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.maemo-guru.com/2009/11/the-nokia-n900-is-not-a-phone/ | 21:53 |
| lcukn900 | 350 mb movies dl weekly | 21:54 |
| felipec | lcukn900: that's not right then | 21:54 |
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| lcukn900 | yeah felipec i was trying it based on regular movies without transcoding | 21:54 |
| lcukn900 | i never expected super optimized for em and keep pondering transcode | 21:54 |
| Xisdibik | lcukn900: how long do you get with music playback? | 21:54 |
| lcukn900 | i dont listen to audio often | 21:55 |
| Xisdibik | :( | 21:55 |
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| felipec | lcukn900: I'm thinking the problem could be the resolution not being multiple of 16, which is triggering an extra memcpy | 21:55 |
| ShadowJK | "the Bluetooth freezes up and disconnects the headset, but still shows that it’s connected onscreen." | 21:55 |
| ShadowJK | Shoudl have used CSR :( | 21:55 |
| lcuk | 624/16=39 | 21:56 |
| lcuk | felipec i am getting update v soon and will check | 21:56 |
| lcuk | theres other things on this machine which might be contributary | 21:56 |
| felipec | er, sorry, I meant the buffersizes not being multiples of 128 (DSP limitation), but actually in this case it is | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | i never gave the time a second thought though | 21:57 |
| lcuk | just ahhh time to change battery | 21:57 |
| lcuk | normal times without sitting for hours watching movies isnt even an issue | 21:57 |
| GiantTalkingCow | GeneralAntilles: That 'not a phone' blurb is pretty on target. | 21:58 |
| Xisdibik | lcuk: with your average use, does your battery last all day? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:58 |
| Xisdibik | how about 2 days? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | i dunno i have a charger at my dock so when im working its charging | 21:59 |
| Xisdibik | ah | 21:59 |
| lcuk | but ive done that since n810 | 21:59 |
| Xisdibik | how long does it take to charge the battery roughly | 21:59 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 21:59 | |
| lcuk | depends on where im gettin juice from | 22:00 |
| Xisdibik | well, wall and comp, u can give 2 times ; | 22:00 |
| Xisdibik | ;) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | i could if i cared enough to log it | 22:00 |
| lcuk | but i dont its always ready and waiting fully charged when i need it | 22:01 |
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| wazd_ | lcuk: http://s59.radikal.ru/i165/0911/ea/b830b06dfd67.png <- that's why you don't need any sophisticated hacks for more vertical space | 22:02 |
| Xisdibik | is it safe to leave it on the charger when ur not using it away from the desk, ie if i left it on the charger overnight, or is that gonna wear the battery down more than just charging it up when i need to for the time it needs to charge fully? | 22:02 |
| pupnik | conboy is the siye a maemo app "should" be - 95kB | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, about 30 minutes to 80% then 2 hours to 100% on the included charger. | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much more if you're using regular USB. | 22:02 |
| lcukn900 | x if its not safe theres something wrong | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, yes, it's safe. | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: The funny thing? I actually use it, compared to the Notes application the N900 comes with | 22:03 |
| pupnik | size | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, make the progressbar thicker, please. | 22:03 |
| pupnik | :) | 22:03 |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: thanks :) | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, can you colorize the icons for seeders/leachers and up/down, too? | 22:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, something soft and pastel. | 22:03 |
| lcukn900 | wazd my device lives in landscape most of the time | 22:04 |
| Xisdibik | is wazd_ making a torrent app for the N900? | 22:04 |
| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: the idea is to follow theme color | 22:04 |
| lcukn900 | and if you kept the bar where it is and rotated the icons within it the space is retained | 22:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, the icons are way too small to see at 3.5" | 22:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, color will help with that. | 22:05 |
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| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: icons are almost the same size as the statusbar ones | 22:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, just TRY the colors? | 22:06 |
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| lcukn900 | save screenshot rotated so i can see it in context on device plz | 22:08 |
| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: once again, something soft will be invisible on the white background, something bright will look like christmas tree :( | 22:08 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: well, it's more of a remake | 22:10 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: http://s53.radikal.ru/i142/0911/66/9f26c53af0fd.jpg | 22:10 |
| lcukn900 | thx wazd that looks like it will work well on device :D | 22:13 |
| lcukn900 | rotation is wrong way tho lol | 22:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That version is dubbed the "El Coq Edition" | 22:13 |
| lcukn900 | even works with jpg resolution reduction | 22:14 |
| lcukn900 | lol | 22:14 |
| cehteh | btw how is javascript performance, does fennec use tracemonkey? | 22:15 |
| lcukn900 | i dont quite understand usage case for needing mobile torrentz lol, but the layout format certainly fits | 22:15 |
| mfinkle | cehteh: yes, fennec does use tracemonkey | 22:15 |
| cehteh | cool | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcukn900, have you even been away from a computer and needed to download something? | 22:15 |
| cehteh | i am using a tiddlywiki as personal notebook on my laptop .. on a n900 that would be even more awesome when it performs well | 22:16 |
| Xisdibik | Why are you downloading Hello Kitty :P | 22:16 |
| lcukn900 | wazd tho change the percent bar color. the white is brighter than the other stuff and looks like a sep rather than ui | 22:16 |
| lcukn900 | gen never | 22:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: leave n900 overnight on the charger, then take it with you and watch the freshly downloaded movie | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcukn900, well, then it's clear why you wouldn't see a use. :) | 22:16 |
| lcukn900 | not through torrent | 22:16 |
| RST38h | seems like a straightforward use case to me | 22:17 |
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| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: http://s56.radikal.ru/i151/0911/15/0e20922d89f7.jpg | 22:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd_, yes, that looks good. | 22:17 |
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| lcukn900 | gen its rare i think "omg i need that ikea catalog NOW!" | 22:17 |
| Xisdibik | wazd_: Are you relaly download Hello Kitty? :p | 22:18 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: sure | 22:18 |
| Xisdibik | wazd_: why? :P | 22:18 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: what's wrong with it? | 22:18 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: I'm a big fan | 22:18 |
| Xisdibik | ah ok | 22:18 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: :D | 22:18 |
| Xisdibik | is it a movie a game or what? | 22:18 |
| Xisdibik | lo | 22:18 |
| Xisdibik | l | 22:18 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: just kidding :D | 22:18 |
| lcukn900 | wazd which is the selected one | 22:19 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: none | 22:19 |
| lcukn900 | ie you tap once then click mag glass icon | 22:19 |
| lcukn900 | how do you show which is sel | 22:19 |
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| wazd_ | the main purpose of mobile torrent client is to download torrents in silence | 22:19 |
| anapospastos | hi guys | 22:19 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: you tap the item and see it's properties | 22:20 |
| lcukn900 | didnt someone get on with live streaming via torrent | 22:20 |
| lcukn900 | so whats mag glass for | 22:20 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: you don't need to select anything | 22:20 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: to search thru the list | 22:20 |
| lcukn900 | whats the left hand icon for | 22:20 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: I guess | 22:21 |
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| wazd_ | lcukn900: that's arrangement, wip :) | 22:21 |
| wazd_ | and plus is for adding torrents | 22:21 |
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| lcukn900 | i got that one lol | 22:21 |
| lcukn900 | how to remove items? | 22:22 |
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| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: how are the bars now? | 22:22 |
| lcukn900 | is it like liqcal with open details and close from there? | 22:22 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: tap on item - delete | 22:22 |
| lcukn900 | nod | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better | 22:22 |
| lcukn900 | delete o_O does that del files? torrent clients have annoying thing of difference between remove torrent and remove files | 22:23 |
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| wazd_ | lcukn900: I think it's easy to ask user what to do | 22:23 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: Like every sane torrent client does | 22:24 |
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| HoganGAte | In N900 maemo, is it possible to write & compile C programs on the phone itself ? | 22:24 |
| lcukn900 | hell yeah | 22:24 |
| HoganGAte | great :-) | 22:25 |
| lbt | in haskell too | 22:25 |
| wazd_ | HoganGAte: you can even cook dinner while doing it | 22:25 |
| lcukn900 | apt-get install build-essential (with correct reppo) | 22:25 |
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| lbt | and listen to music | 22:25 |
| HoganGAte | nice | 22:25 |
| Xisdibik | wazd_: in that second pic with color for the torrent app, are the seeders blue and leechers purple? | 22:26 |
| lcukn900 | jammin | 22:26 |
| lbt | though some kind of rap would be best given how jittery it's likely to be | 22:26 |
| lcukn900 | nahhh lbt | 22:26 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: seeders - S, peers - P | 22:26 |
| lcukn900 | we need a morracas app | 22:26 |
| lbt | lcukn900: how smooth is music in a compile? | 22:26 |
| lcukn900 | and a trianle app | 22:26 |
| lcukn900 | i dunno | 22:26 |
| lbt | just wondered | 22:26 |
| lbt | it's a bit jittery in a few situations... | 22:26 |
| lcukn900 | cant tell right now im on wrong machine | 22:26 |
| lbt | they should renice the player | 22:27 |
| Xisdibik | wazd_: are the colors for S and P the same or not, ?> | 22:27 |
| lcukn900 | nahh lbt | 22:27 |
| lbt | ? | 22:27 |
| choppa | in gstreamer (gst_element_factory)...where are available GST_ELEMENT_FACTORYs defined? didn't get that.. | 22:27 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: no, S - blue, P - purple | 22:27 |
| lbt | HoganGAte: are you interested in developing for Maemo? | 22:28 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: do you have grayscale display or something? :D | 22:28 |
| Xisdibik | wazd_: yea i thought as much, unfortunately for me, and probably some oter people in the world. Im color weak with red and green, unless i look very close, they look the same :/ | 22:28 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: oooh | 22:28 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: sorry then | 22:28 |
| lcukn900 | wazd user might be working in greyscale | 22:28 |
| lcukn900 | as is | 22:28 |
| wazd_ | Xisdibik: what colors do you suggest to fix this? | 22:28 |
| wazd_ | lcukn900: I have that option on my display | 22:29 |
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| HoganGAte | lbt: I would like to some day, but not at the moment :-) . Thanks for asking though :-) | 22:29 |
| lbt | np... this is the place when you do ;) | 22:29 |
| lcukn900 | wazd i thought for ages i would only get liqbase in greyscale | 22:30 |
| HoganGAte | okay :) | 22:30 |
| lcukn900 | its actually quite cool and preoptimized for use on eink displays | 22:30 |
| lcukn900 | does xchat minimize properly | 22:31 |
| wazd_ | greyscale world is boring, how dogs can live with it :) | 22:31 |
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| Xisdibik | wazd_: its np, i can see red and green just not certain shades | 22:31 |
| Xisdibik | wazd_: I would say not similar colors, Blue / Purple are close, at least those shades | 22:32 |
| Xisdibik | wazd_: maybe green for seeders red for peers? | 22:32 |
| Xisdibik | the red and green you use for the upload download speeds is easily distinguishable for me | 22:32 |
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| wazd_ | Xisdibik: download is orange actually :) | 22:33 |
| Xisdibik | :P close enough! | 22:33 |
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| HoganGAte | Total Amount of Bandwidth being Used Currently: 0B | 22:34 |
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| lcukn900 | mmm xchat said it could minimize to tray | 22:45 |
| lcukn900 | but then vanished | 22:45 |
| frals | hmm, wonder how im suppose to get a hold of the port of my providers mmsc | 22:45 |
| lcukn900 | dunno frals | 22:46 |
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| frals | it should be available in those APN settings that you can get sent to your phone i guess | 22:47 |
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| ShadowJK | my provider has them in a wiki too | 22:48 |
| lcukn900 | thats not really an end user solutioon | 22:49 |
| Macer | bsg the plan is pretty good | 22:49 |
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| ShadowJK | It usually is the end-user solution. My operator often gets the settings for a specific phone model long after people started buying them, so people go find the settings manually.. | 22:50 |
| lcukn900 | my gran cant | 22:50 |
| Macer | i'm a little confused. do the cylons not use atomic bombs that have fallout or something? | 22:51 |
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| Macer | because humanity sure does seem like it is pretty immune to radiation | 22:51 |
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| dmj726 | most of the bombs seem like mini nukes by today's standards | 22:51 |
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| ShadowJK | Macer, you know, the biggest nuclear bomb ever detonated was also the cleanest nuclear bomb :-) | 22:52 |
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| lcukn900 | macer not everyone had high exposurewhat was odd was how active earth was after | 22:52 |
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| RST38h | Nuking the humanity is going to be good for environment, ultimately | 22:53 |
| RST38h | So, all strategic thinkers should consider it! | 22:53 |
| lcukn900 | +1 | 22:53 |
| * RST38h winks | 22:53 | |
| lcukn900 | there would be enough food as well | 22:54 |
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| lcukn900 | chickens naturally with 3 legs etc | 22:54 |
| frals | haha | 22:54 |
| RST38h | well, plants and animals will adjust | 22:54 |
| lcukn900 | trifids | 22:55 |
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| RST38h | triffids were alien! | 22:55 |
| lcukn900 | alien is something we arent used to | 22:55 |
| lcukn900 | someone from the future would be alien to us | 22:55 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: heh. yeah i guess the cylons might have made fusion bombs work better | 22:55 |
| lcukn900 | "better"? | 22:56 |
| Macer | lcukn900: point taken :) | 22:56 |
| Macer | they should have used more fissle | 22:56 |
| Macer | then they could have gotten the rest with the fallout | 22:57 |
| Macer | the tsar bomba's shockwave circled the globe 7 times hehe | 22:57 |
| Macer | how awesome is that | 22:57 |
| lcukn900 | almost as awesome as the fart i did a few months ago | 22:58 |
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| lcukn900 | im sure it actually adjusted the position of the earth | 22:58 |
| lcukn900 | tungusta had nothin on it | 22:58 |
| Macer | haha | 22:59 |
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| Xisdibik | lcukn900: to join in the convo from 10 minutes ago, i want a chicken with more nuggets ;) | 23:04 |
| frals | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ | 23:05 |
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| frals | that was pretty funny | 23:05 |
| frals | (Numb3rs' description of IRC) | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | frals, I had to stop watching that show because of shit like that. | 23:06 |
| lcukn900 | xlsd keep your nuggets | 23:06 |
| lcukn900 | use moar chicken | 23:07 |
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| t_s_o | somewhat on target, somewhat off target, that one... | 23:07 |
| t_s_o | now if only it didnt have the typical hollywood flash animations running on the screens in the background... | 23:08 |
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| jkridner|work | GeneralAntilles: did you find anyone who can give a Maemo (or Mer or Mamona) on BeagleBoard presentation at the Nov 17 community talks (http://tinyurl.com/etechlightning)? | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, seems US occupied both atom bombed cities after the surrender.. I guess they weren't too worried about any fallout | 23:08 |
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| jkridner|work | What about you, Stskeeps? | 23:09 |
| Macer | well. by the time they got there.. most of the fallout had been lowered | 23:10 |
| lcukn900 | my irc beeps like the numbers thing everytime some1 mentions bacon | 23:10 |
| Macer | but radiation is strange. some people can be exposed to high levels and live and some die in days | 23:10 |
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| Xisdibik | I really love bacon | 23:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | I really love bacon too | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | jkridner|work: mm, i guess i can - maemo on non-nokia devices as title? | 23:11 |
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| Xisdibik | I think we need more people to say if they like bacon :0 | 23:12 |
| Macer | well. downloading 60GB in one shot | 23:12 |
| Macer | fun fun. going to test the limitations of this comcast line :) | 23:12 |
| jkridner|work | Stskeeps: that is a good one. | 23:12 |
| jkridner|work | I'm also interested in just cool new maemo app/kernel/etc. community work. | 23:13 |
| jkridner|work | It is still open source work on TI processors, so very welcome at a TI event. | 23:13 |
| jkridner|work | I'd love to hear about Frets-on-Fire on N900. :) | 23:14 |
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| jkridner|work | Theora on the OMAP3 DSP will be presented. | 23:14 |
| Xisdibik | jkridner|work: i agree, nothing would be more fun than strumming my n900 screaming lyrics to songs on a crowded train full of office workers on my way home from work :D | 23:15 |
| lcukn900 | i make notes and play supertux and watch movies | 23:15 |
| Xisdibik | thats not as vocal and wild lcukn900 | 23:17 |
| jkridner|work | :) | 23:17 |
| Xisdibik | we need frets on fire so we can act crazy on the train home ;) | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | jkridner|work, had a couple of people interested, but they were unavailable on the 17th. | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, Stskeeps it is. ;) | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | jkridner|work: 20:15 UTC is a good slot if its still available? | 23:18 |
| Robot101 | jkridner|work: does the theora work include an encoder, or is it just a decoder? | 23:18 |
| derf | Just the decoder for now. | 23:18 |
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| woglinde | jo javis | 23:19 |
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| Robot101 | damn, was wondering if we could demo a fully-free video call on the OMAp3 | 23:20 |
| jkridner|work | I think Theora on DSP is currently just a decoder. | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | jkridner|work: if around that time, Carsten Munk, stskeeps and "Maemo on non-Nokia devices" covering maemo/beagle&zoom2 and mer's angle on portability | 23:20 |
| derf | The encoder currently requires significantly more computational horsepower than the decoder. | 23:20 |
| jkridner|work | Stskeeps: grab it. | 23:20 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:20 |
| jkridner|work | it is a wiki.... | 23:20 |
| derf | So if it does run on the DSP, it won't be at very high resolution. | 23:20 |
| jkridner|work | you create the entry yourself. :) | 23:20 |
| Robot101 | derf: yeah | 23:20 |
| Robot101 | derf: well, the DSP is pretty powerful | 23:20 |
| derf | (howerver, there's also significantly more room for optimization in the encoder) | 23:21 |
| Robot101 | derf: the N810 ran H263 in software and could only manage QCIF because the encoder took 70% CPU | 23:21 |
| Robot101 | the OMAP3 DSP in comparison eats H264 for breakfast :) | 23:21 |
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| derf | Robot101: 430 MHz or whatever the thing is clocked at in the N900 is not terribly powerful. | 23:21 |
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| derf | Even if you can actually issue 8 instructions per clock. | 23:21 |
| jkridner|work | derf: I found that the MPEG4 SP decode that runs up around 720p is entirely on the DSP, without using any of the hardware accelerator modules. | 23:21 |
| javispedro | hi wog | 23:21 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Speaking of the n800 series, didn't they have the capability to hardware accelerate the UI, but it went unused? | 23:21 |
| derf | jkridner|work: Right, you said that in #theora, earlier. | 23:22 |
| jkridner|work | right, forgot who was in the room. | 23:22 |
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| Robot101 | GiantTalkingCow: 2d accelerator was slower than doing it in the CPU because the bottleneck was bandwidth to the display controller | 23:22 |
| GiantTalkingCow | I see. | 23:22 |
| Robot101 | so they turned off a load of the OMAP2 dispc "acceleration" to make it go faster | 23:22 |
| Robot101 | N810 didn't use any of the 3D stuff (PowerVR chip) | 23:23 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Thanks for the explanation. | 23:23 |
| Mousey | you're here too! | 23:23 |
| Mousey | awesomest nick evar! | 23:23 |
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| woglinde | Robot101 not yet | 23:24 |
| GiantTalkingCow | No matter which channel or IRC server I visit, everyone says that. Are you guys/girls all that uncreative with your own online handles? | 23:24 |
| woglinde | ti promises to get out needed software | 23:24 |
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| Xisdibik | GiantTalkingCow: nope, my name is super creative and the best of all time :) | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Xisdibik: you dropped a bannana on your keyboard? | 23:26 |
| woglinde | lol | 23:26 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: no, i fell asleep on the keyboardf | 23:26 |
| Xisdibik | -f | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | jkridner|work: done | 23:27 |
| jjmarin | Hi, I'm installing the SDK for the first time. When I do af-sb-init.sh start I get | 23:27 |
| jjmarin | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found . Any idea ? | 23:27 |
| jkridner|work | Stskeeps: thanks! if you could upload your slides by Monday, that would be greatly appreciated. Just 2-3. | 23:28 |
| jkridner|work | There is a video there to try to set expectations and explain how to participate. | 23:29 |
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| jjmarin | I'm going to try apt-get update and then apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev | 23:33 |
| HoganGAte | run as: she af-sb-init.sh | 23:34 |
| HoganGAte | run as: sh af-sb-init.sh | 23:34 |
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| frals | did you install nokia binaries in the same target you are tryin to run af-sb-init.sh in? | 23:35 |
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| jjmarin | frals: I think so | 23:36 |
| frals | apt-get install nokia-binaries or smth like that | 23:36 |
| kurtan | frals: klas ström sux :( | 23:37 |
| jjmarin | frals: I'm doing fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-appss nokiaI | 23:37 |
| mikhas | uh oh, there is a maemo-sdk-dev? *cries* =`( | 23:37 |
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| frals | kurtan: well, probably not only his fault, but yeah, nokia sweden kinda sucks atm ;< | 23:38 |
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| kurtan | indubitably | 23:38 |
| kurtan | :( | 23:38 |
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| jjmarin | frals: you are right, I forgot to install nokia-binaries nokia-apps. thanks a lot :) | 23:43 |
| frals | np :) | 23:43 |
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| Stskeeps | jkridner|work: ta | 23:45 |
| jkridner|work | thank you! | 23:47 |
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| lcukn900 | oooh 3g works | 23:47 |
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| jjmarin | This SDK is great. I can experience Maemo 5 on my PC ;) | 23:52 |
| felipec | jkridner|work: any hopes of getting the IVA hardware acceleration docs public? | 23:52 |
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| jkridner|work | felipec: I don't know if you caught from the #beagle IRC logs from yesterday, but the register documents seem to be publicly downloadable. | 23:53 |
| jkridner|work | I could only find the register docs, not anything that really covered the functionality, but it give an opportunity to ask some concrete questions (gives you a language to say I hit this bit and it did that, etc.) | 23:55 |
| felipec | jkridner|work: oh, not sure how useful that would be =/ | 23:56 |
| hcarrega | nao era de esperar outra coisa do melhor clube do mundo | 23:56 |
| jkridner|work | well, take a look and try to come back to me with some specific questions I can try to get answered. | 23:58 |
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