| timeless_mbp | be sure to document use cases in detail | 00:00 |
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| cehteh | haha donotwant | 00:00 |
| kynky | stuff optmized fo the jvm will be fast, its the stuff that isnt thats slow i thought | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | s/its/it's/ | 00:00 |
| kynky | so it depends | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | but actually | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | if they're using a hotspot or similar | 00:00 |
| GAN900 | jvms are never 'fast' | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | then unoptimized doesn't necessarily mean it'll be slow | 00:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it might just be big to download | 00:00 |
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| * timeless_mbp doesn't know anything about android's vm | 00:00 | |
| kynky | tey can be, for instance on arm can do native jit on chip i think | 00:00 |
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| kynky | and if jvm is loaded in memory then loading an app into memory could be lower disk io, than a bigger c++ app, with its loader etc | 00:02 |
| zaheerm-lp | mauku is not open source? | 00:02 |
| zaheerm-lp | "You are NOT allowed to modify or redistribute the source code" in the source | 00:02 |
| lardman | re | 00:02 |
| kynky | all apples and oranges, benchmarks can be fiddled , but generally i would say maemo is faster than android, how much by, depends what your doing | 00:02 |
| zaheerm-lp | there goes the patch i was going to write :) | 00:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | it can | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but e.g. maemo has no java support at all | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's not usually jit | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | so much as actually *running* java bytecode | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | that's not really jit | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | unless you count bytecode to microcode as jit | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and i've never met anyone who does | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | or did | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | kynde: if one is lucky one can optimize ld to not suck | 00:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but if a c++ app shares libraries w/ another (running) c++ app, it can get a similar win | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so that's not really a useful statement | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | besides, maemo is C based, not c++ based :) | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | (ignoring the browser) | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | or at least maemo1-maemo5 | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the future is open ;-) | 00:04 |
| kynky | :) | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | just a useless point, the n97 supports flash lite 3 | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the n900 supports flash 9.4 | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a huge difference | 00:04 |
| timeless_mbp | ask a guy i met last week from MTV | 00:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: byte code patch the source and make the customer rebuild it :) | 00:04 |
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| zaheerm-lp | timeless_mbp, :) | 00:05 |
| kynky | you can do tricks in both java/jvm and c | 00:05 |
| Shapeshifter | in any case, you want to code in python. | 00:05 |
| Shapeshifter | yes you do. | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | zaheerm-lp, he open sourced it a long time ago, I thought. | 00:06 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GAN900: He's made the source available, yes, but looking at the dates and that notice, I would not say it is "open" | 00:06 |
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| zaheerm-lp | yah open source doesn't mean providing source code | 00:07 |
| kynky | other way around ? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | bug 6108 added :) | 00:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 tracker takes cpu and time when scanning media | 00:08 |
| dmj726 | heh. | 00:09 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: it should take NO time at all to scan media? | 00:09 |
| dmj726 | WHy isn't mauku open source? | 00:09 |
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| zaheerm-lp | so question is why is mauku in maemo extras free not non-free? | 00:10 |
| dmj726 | I know what the definition of OSS is and all that, but why release the code and not FOSSify it? | 00:10 |
| lcuk | timeless, i scan the same filesystem completely recursively and build up trees of data based on filename extremely quickly | 00:10 |
| crashanddie__ | gents, any specific reason why an SD card wouldn't mount (n900) ? | 00:10 |
| crashanddie__ | It appears in dmesg | 00:10 |
| lcuk | it takes a few seconds | 00:10 |
| lcuk | not 9mins | 00:10 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, no clue really, unless he wants to prevent fragmentation | 00:10 |
| lcuk | dunno crashanddie | 00:10 |
| cehteh | no filesystem? | 00:10 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: so... | 00:10 |
| timeless_mbp | we've discussed file system layout | 00:11 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that it's kinda hard to deal w/ | 00:11 |
| dmj726 | I really wouldn't worry about fragmentation, since it won't happen unless the original project is swirling the drain. | 00:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | in order for it to work, you have to have meta data in the fs explaining which algorithm you use for organizing your media | 00:11 |
| crashanddie__ | http://slexy.org/view/s21hsDMHrq | 00:11 |
| lcuk | timeless, im not looking for a generic fix | 00:11 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, i am only speculating for the author, i have no clue | 00:11 |
| lcuk | this is something a user will know, no computer can detect it | 00:11 |
| lcuk | i know that | 00:11 |
| lcuk | but i would like to help tracker. | 00:12 |
| dmj726 | zaheerm-lp: Did you see my mockups? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | my movies and music is sorted and categroised by folder alone | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: tracker would need to let you tell it so that it could write a file | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise it'd bother you each time you swapped between 2 cards | 00:12 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, re: video editor? | 00:12 |
| dmj726 | yes | 00:12 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: but basically, if you want to do that | 00:12 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, can you provide me with the link again | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | i suggest you work out a format and a patch for tracker upstream | 00:13 |
| lcuk | timeless, config file? gconf? tracker itself does different things based on filetype | 00:13 |
| lcuk | it already knows what kind of scan to run | 00:13 |
| lcuk | cant i just change the type of scan | 00:13 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: it needs to be tied to the specific card | 00:13 |
| lcuk | to just be file | 00:13 |
| VDVsx | humm, does anyone here tested/saw this app in the testing queue: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/free42/ ? | 00:13 |
| lcuk | no | 00:13 |
| lcuk | its not | 00:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | what happens if i give you a card w/ my media | 00:13 |
| dmj726 | original: http://imagebin.org/71044 | 00:13 |
| dmj726 | next: http://imagebin.org/71163 | 00:13 |
| lcuk | in windows, i can change the scan type for "*.C" files | 00:13 |
| lcuk | so that it can do full text search in it | 00:13 |
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| lcuk | without the change, windows search in files completely bypasses the .c files | 00:14 |
| lcuk | i want to do the inverse | 00:14 |
| lcuk | and ignore movies | 00:14 |
| lcuk | or rather, the content of | 00:14 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, can you explain the different colours? | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i'm suggesting a tactic that is likely to work | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | if you get code into upstream which does what i suggest | 00:14 |
| Shapeshifter | Are there zsh and screen for the n900? | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | then it's unlikely nokia would actively break it when that arrived in a future product | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it might not be the default | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | but it'd probably work | 00:15 |
| dmj726 | zaheerm-lp: let's move this to #pitivi, okay? Too noisy here. | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | and someone could write an app which let you write out those config files | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2917&idPhone1=2615 | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw | 00:15 |
| lcuk | theres no need to touch my media | 00:15 |
| lcuk | this is tracker config only | 00:15 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: again | 00:15 |
| lcuk | if a new filetype comes out *.wiggly | 00:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | what happens when i give you an sdcard | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i scan it by filename | 00:16 |
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| crashanddie__ | is there any manual command I could issue to mount the card? | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | the sdcard has media i arranged according to some stupid algorithm which doesn't match yours | 00:16 |
| lcuk | cos thats how i see it, its not a harm, its me looking | 00:16 |
| lcuk | so | 00:16 |
| lcuk | i get that now | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: mount -t vfat /dev/... | 00:16 |
| crashanddie__ | timeless, that's my point, which /dev? | 00:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, /dev/mmcblk0p1 is the MyDocs volume | 00:17 |
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| crashanddie__ | ok, found it | 00:17 |
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| crashanddie__ | http://slexy.org/view/s21hsDMHrq | 00:17 |
| crashanddie__ | damn | 00:17 |
| crashanddie__ | no | 00:17 |
| crashanddie__ | wrong cp | 00:17 |
| timeless_mbp | which was actually in your output :) | 00:17 |
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| crashanddie__ | yeah but the output is confusing | 00:18 |
| crashanddie__ | because it says mmcblk0, when really it's mmcblk1 | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | wiat | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | is this your MyDocs volume | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | or the external card? | 00:18 |
| crashanddie__ | no | 00:18 |
| crashanddie__ | external card | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc someone mentioned a bug about that | 00:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | glad to meet it :) | 00:19 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 00:19 | |
| timeless_mbp | these guys @gsmarena are wrong | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | > PhonebookPractically unlimited entries and fields, | 00:19 |
| timeless_mbp | that's not true, the number is roughly 50 | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 00:22 |
| lcuk | http://linux.die.net/man/5/tracker.cfg | 00:22 |
| kalikianatoli | timeless_mbp, I suspect not so many people have contacts with 50 or more fields anyway :P | 00:22 |
| lcuk | NoIndexFileTypes=FILEGLOB[;MORE;FILEGLOBS...] | 00:22 |
| lcuk | List of partial file patterns (glob) separated by semicolons that specify files not to index. Only basic metadata (i.e. information retrieved by stat(2)) is indexed | 00:22 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | kalikianatoli: not the point | 00:25 |
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| Aksu | Hi! What database I should use for c++ development. I prefer an object-oriented one | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 00:26 |
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| mikkov__ | VDVsx: it's still possible to upload anything to maemo.org/downloads | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Aksu: don't. | 00:26 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone please tell me precisely which games are *actually* included in the shipping n900 42-11 image? | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, find us a firmware image. | 00:27 |
| Aksu | timeless_mbp: eh | 00:27 |
| timeless_mbp | databases are typically SQL based | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | unless you really want a database which is not SQL based, you should think about why | 00:28 |
| timeless_mbp | bindings for SQL are available for most languages for most specific engines | 00:28 |
| Shapeshifter | Aksu: well, if I'm not mistaken there are frameworks which access SQL databases but represent data as objects inside your app. I don't know about c++, but python for example has sqlalchemy which does that. | 00:29 |
| * cehteh sometimes regrets this sqlism | 00:29 | |
| Shapeshifter | it's called an "ORM" | 00:29 |
| kalikianatoli | Aksu, sqlite is preinstalled, and it's quite nice for apps | 00:30 |
| cehteh | why not datalog ... :P | 00:30 |
| Shapeshifter | so there are ORMs for c++ for sure as well. | 00:30 |
| Aksu | timeless_mbp: I am thinking about writing app for maemo for schools database-class. They would like it to be using oo- or xml-database | 00:30 |
| lcuk | list of non relation database systems (not maemo specific) some might be available and interest folks. | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | http://spw.etherpad.com/7? | 00:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | Aksu: seems like DTL is something you might want. | 00:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | Aksu: but... what timeless_mbp said. | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i'd call xmldb "pain" | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm a browser engineer, xml = pain | 00:31 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway. if you went w/ sql, i'd suggest sqlite | 00:32 |
| timeless_mbp | it's simple, and there are bindings for most platforms | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | of sql db's, i think it's the one gaining the fastest atm | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's typically used in process, not for large server apps | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | if that matches your goals, it's probably not a bad choice | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | it really depends on what you're modeling | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and how you intend to use it | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't actually like sql fwiw | 00:33 |
| timeless_mbp | but, some of the alternatives are worse, and considerably less useful as knowledge portability goes | 00:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (well, most of them are actually) | 00:34 |
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| Aksu | it would be a simple (disc)golf resultkeeper | 00:34 |
| VDVsx | mikkov_, so it seems :( | 00:34 |
| frals | after doing a db in xml, sql is a godsend | 00:35 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, We need you!!!! | 00:35 |
| VDVsx | come back soon :P | 00:35 |
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| Aksu | well is there hibernate like technology for this | 00:36 |
| Aksu | (hibernate for java) | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | realitygaps, hopefully the FIASCO image will be out in a few days. | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | realitygaps: why do you need windows? | 00:37 |
| timeless_mbp | to grabb the image? | 00:37 |
| Aksu | or maybe it would be enough to write a databasemanager-class that gives out objects for some search parameters | 00:38 |
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| Aksu | (or forget about this and take the easy route :) | 00:39 |
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| Aksu | Shapeshifter: I'll check DTL | 00:40 |
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| realitygaps | timeless_mbp: to use the nokia software updater | 00:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | realitygaps: but why use it? | 00:50 |
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| pinchartl | hi | 01:01 |
| crashanddie__ | hi pinchartl | 01:01 |
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| crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, around? | 01:02 |
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| pinchartl | is the N900 officially available ? maemo.nokia.com seems to say so, but I was supposed to receive a notification by e-mail | 01:07 |
| Stskeeps | shipping to stores | 01:07 |
| pinchartl | I hope they will ship fast :-) | 01:08 |
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| lardman | anyone know if librest.so.0.6.1 would be considered newer than librest-0.6.so.0.0.0? | 01:13 |
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| crashanddie__ | lardman, yes | 01:17 |
| lardman | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html section 8.6.3 | 01:18 |
| crashanddie__ | lardman, actually, they might not be considered as the same lib | 01:18 |
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| lardman | how does that make any sort of bloody sense | 01:18 |
| lardman | ? | 01:18 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: cool | 01:18 |
| lardman | libz 1 zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3) | 01:18 |
| lardman | where does the zlib1g stuff come from | 01:18 |
| lardman | ? | 01:18 |
| lardman | madness! | 01:18 |
| lardman | crashanddie: yeah that's true, and fine by me | 01:19 |
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| pupnik_ | haha | 01:22 |
| pupnik_ | that librest-0.6.so.0.0.0 looks badly named | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be librest0.so.0.6.0 | 01:24 |
| lardman | yeah | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | who owns it | 01:24 |
| lardman | I took it from debian like that | 01:24 |
| lardman | me | 01:24 |
| lardman | am about to name is something more sensible | 01:24 |
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| limepi | anyone in here know about apple BT keyboards? | 01:26 |
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| javispedro | man, google street view is creepy | 01:29 |
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| limepi | what does "device resources exceeded" mean | 01:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | limepi: sounds like bluetooth | 01:30 |
| timeless_mbp | the protocol basically says "ouch, i'm exhausted" | 01:31 |
| limepi | yeah, I'm trying to pair my apple BT keyboard | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | limepi: btw, if you're using English, please try my locale | 01:31 |
| jeremiah | Happy birthday frals | 01:31 |
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| limepi | I updated some time ago and it quit working, I tried to troubleshoot | 01:31 |
| frals | thanks :) | 01:31 |
| limepi | my locale? | 01:31 |
| limepi | like, the proper layout? | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | actually | 01:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i just saw a non lame onscreen keyboard today (tuesday) | 01:33 |
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| limepi | so you're telling me that I have no recourse, essentially? | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | well | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i just got on | 01:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | so i missed the context | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | in general, you're supposed to get rid of other BT devices that are paired to it | 01:35 |
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| limepi | I've never had anyone do a BT troubleshoot walkthrough | 01:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, i'm the wrong person | 01:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm a translator | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | so i've read all the strings and tried to understand them | 01:37 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: maemo5 has more C++ apps than just the browser | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | you really want jhe | 01:37 |
| limepi | hmm | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | tbf: part of mail is c++ too | 01:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but most of the platform isn't | 01:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | actually, maybe that's wrong | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | since half the platform is built around the browser :) | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | (tutorial, messaging, maps) | 01:38 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: even EDS got polluted with this C++ crap! | 01:39 |
| javispedro | messaging? O.o | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the renderer for messaging is a browser engine | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | afaik the rest of messaging is C | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you consider the fact that it's rendered by the browser, then... you can't not acknowledge C++ | 01:40 |
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| tbf | timeless_mbp: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/evolution-data-server/addressbook/libebook-dbus/e-uchardet.cpp?revision=715&root=eds&view=markup | 01:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | tbf: oh yeah, that's a gecko file :) | 01:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | well... | 01:42 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: well, just the glue for some gecko code | 01:43 |
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| tbf | timeless_mbp: the gecko code is there: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/evolution-data-server/libuchardet/?root=eds | 01:43 |
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| tbf | timeless_mbp: btw, do you know a better method than BrowserRespView to get a pannable browser widget in Maemo5? | 01:48 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, ask romaxa | 01:48 |
| tbf | romaxa: ^^^? | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm effectively upstream | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | it's ~2am | 01:49 |
| timeless_mbp | he left the office probably by 6pm or so | 01:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | we left after 11pm | 01:49 |
| javispedro | ok, there's now a clear photograph of my shorts hanging out in google earth. | 01:49 |
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| tbf | timeless_mbp: ok. | 01:50 |
| jaem | hey folks | 01:50 |
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| tbf | javispedro: hope the are clean | 01:50 |
| javispedro | s/earth/street view | 01:50 |
| jaem | I just picked up my (loaner) N900, and it won't charge :S | 01:50 |
| jaem | is there anything special that I should know about that? | 01:50 |
| javispedro | tbf: they are black (fortunately ;) ) | 01:50 |
| lardman | javispedro: big shorts! | 01:50 |
| tbf | jaem: you have to use the nokia charger | 01:50 |
| sp3000 | that /sounds/ like what you might want, but then I barely ever read code :) | 01:50 |
| jaem | tbf, oh really? | 01:50 |
| jaem | a generic USB charger won't work? | 01:51 |
| lardman | I know you can see the Great Wall of China and all... ;) | 01:51 |
| javispedro | this is fuckingly scary | 01:51 |
| tbf | jaem: generic chargers usually only give 500 mA | 01:51 |
| javispedro | lardman: street view | 01:51 |
| jaem | tbf, this one is rated for 1A | 01:51 |
| lardman | ah ok :) | 01:51 |
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| tbf | jaem: hmm. strange. maybe just on paper. | 01:52 |
| jaem | tbf, I'll dig out my other charger | 01:52 |
| tbf | jaem: i once tried a cheap generic charger, and it even discharged the battery | 01:52 |
| jaem | my prof had misplaced one of the Nokia chargers, so I don't currently have one >_< | 01:52 |
| cehteh | tbf: so the n900 cant be charged at a laptop usb port? | 01:53 |
| sp3000 | it can | 01:53 |
| cehteh | i was wondering already | 01:53 |
| sp3000 | although I think the results may be interesting if the laptop goes to sleep | 01:53 |
| cehteh | that would be scary | 01:53 |
| tbf | cehteh: your laptop usually is a much better power source | 01:53 |
| timeless_mbp | so the n900 box had a nokia to usb adapter | 01:53 |
| cehteh | my laptop provides usb power when sleeping | 01:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | which should let you use older nokia style chargers | 01:54 |
| sp3000 | (some) | 01:54 |
| cehteh | tbf: nop it give a kernel errror "overcurrent on usb" .. | 01:54 |
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| tbf | cehteh: so unless you watch videos you can charge it with your laptop. you'll just have to wait for a while | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | standard usb cables will allow 500mA if you're giving a usb service to a host | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | chargers will typically offer 1-1.2mA | 01:54 |
| cehteh | yeah ok | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure that in general a 1A charger should work, but i've never tried | 01:54 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: no. typical usb chargers really just give 500 mA | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | really? | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | yuck | 01:55 |
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| cehteh | usb is rated 500ma | 01:55 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: once forgot my nokia charger and tried to buy an adequate charger | 01:55 |
| cehteh | one of the major faults imo .. they should have rated it 2A and fine | 01:55 |
| tbf | timeless_mbp: shop owners looked for the hidden camera when i told them that i need about 1A | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | "1 Amp High Output USB travel charger" | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | tbf: lol | 01:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think the apple usb chargers are 1A | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | oh! | 01:56 |
| jaem | odd | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i tried charging my n900 using a car's onboard port | 01:56 |
| jaem | my other 1A charger doesn't work, either | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | which works for an iPhone | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | and it didn't work | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it claimed to be charging | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but didn't charge | 01:56 |
| timeless_mbp | that was odd :( | 01:56 |
| jaem | the indicator isn't doing anything | 01:56 |
| jaem | I'll doublecheck lshal | 01:56 |
| jaem | nope - not charging | 01:57 |
| * cehteh thought about charging from bike dynamo :P | 01:57 | |
| tbf | cehteh: do you have a link for the 500 mA | 01:57 |
| cehteh | needs some elektronic of course | 01:57 |
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| cehteh | tbf: actuall its even worse i think 50 (or only 20) mA are allowed without arbitation .. anyhing beyond has to be negotiated with the host controler | 01:58 |
| lardman | hmm, my new librest looks like so: librest.so.0.0.0 | 01:58 |
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| jaem | tbf, a standard Nokia USB cable should work, right? | 01:58 |
| lardman | so closer, but still no cigar | 01:58 |
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| tbf | cehteh: would be awesome to show it some lazy PM | 01:59 |
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| tbf | cehteh: he closed a bug about his software consuming > 600 mA, as invalid and asked for the spec :-D | 01:59 |
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| tbf | (fortunately for the device he got overruled) | 02:00 |
| cehteh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Power | 02:00 |
| cehteh | eww .. some mainboards have 500mA soldered in smd fuses | 02:01 |
| cehteh | means when a device draws more then the mainboard is bricked | 02:01 |
| tbf | jaem: for charging via usb port? yes. it somewhat works. if your notebook doesn't have such fuses! | 02:01 |
| cehteh | at least that usb port | 02:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | cehteh: nice | 02:01 |
| cehteh | well these are not common ... that was in the old days when usb was new | 02:01 |
| cehteh | today the current is limited by automatic fuses or even electronically regulated and shut down by a µC | 02:02 |
| lardman | anyone know how the libs are named? | 02:02 |
| jaem | when the N900 is powered off, is there any indication of it charging, like the N810 does? | 02:02 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: yes | 02:03 |
| timeless_mbp | the led /can/ light | 02:03 |
| timeless_mbp | or not, your choice | 02:03 |
| jaem | it's going "orange...orange...green...*ding*" | 02:03 |
| timeless_mbp | green=it thinks it's charged | 02:03 |
| jaem | :S | 02:03 |
| jaem | well, lshal said about 21mAh | 02:03 |
| javispedro | I wonder who decided to send the google street bycicle down spanish villages | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | tbf, all of the USB wallwarts I've encountered output about 700-2000mA | 02:04 |
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| jaem | yay - now it's charging | 02:04 |
| jaem | weird | 02:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I've spotted a bunch of my friends wandering around town on street view. | 02:04 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: they've decided to do _very_ small towns now in spain | 02:05 |
| tbf | GeneralAntilles: seems you only interact with dealers that have the good stuff | 02:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | tbf, :shrug: usual online places. | 02:05 |
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| javispedro | the kind of towns I'd assume you would get shot at just by entering them in the US. | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 02:06 |
| mikhas | I heard that's how you say hello over there | 02:06 |
| tbf | GeneralAntilles: seems those "usual online places" still sell better stuff than the average | 02:06 |
| cehteh | are there external (USB-Cable) battery packs? | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Foreigners have strange ideas about the US. | 02:06 |
| javispedro | :) | 02:06 |
| mikhas | US has strange ideas about the world, too =p | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | tbf, DealExtreme, Boxwave, Newegg, Amazon, etc. | 02:06 |
| cehteh | reading the wikipedia article such should be easy to build :) | 02:06 |
| tbf | GeneralAntilles: just enter a regular phone shop and ask for a micro USB charger | 02:06 |
| jaem | cehteh, yes, IOGear makes some good ones | 02:06 |
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| jaem | and what GA said | 02:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikhas, despite whatever you may think and whatever Hollywood has tried to teach you, the US is not the Wild West. :) | 02:07 |
| tbf | GeneralAntilles: i've tried several offline phone shops and they all only had crap chargers | 02:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | tbf, for the price, I'd just pick up an AC-10 and call it a day. ;) | 02:07 |
| VDVsx | a Portuguese couple sued google because street view failed blurring their faces, eheheh | 02:07 |
| lardman | ah crap, why do librest, libchamplain and libethos all have to have silly libNAME-X.x.so.X.x.x naming schemes?! | 02:08 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: they have now "street viewed" nearly ALL towns of spain | 02:08 |
| cehteh | jaem: found it .. nice | 02:08 |
| javispedro | which is, at least, shocking | 02:08 |
| mikhas | GA, if it is not the wild west then I am not interested, thanks. please unsubscribe me from your newsletter and stop sending me those promo vids | 02:08 |
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| tbf | "Don't be evil!" :-D | 02:08 |
| * SpeedEvil wants to openstreetview his local town. | 02:08 | |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, only the big ones here | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It's only 2-300G of imagery | 02:08 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: Google has done that to my birthplace! | 02:08 |
| jaem | tbf, "...unless it makes us loads of money" | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yeah - but the streetview imagery is very, very closed. | 02:09 |
| mikhas | Making money is fulfilling the will of god, no? | 02:09 |
| cehteh | jaem: mhm only 2000mah .. but cheap | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | In that you can look at it - but do nothing else | 02:09 |
| jaem | the one I have fits in one of those old Motorola belt cases | 02:09 |
| jaem | ...or am I the only one that likes having a utility belt | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | I don't know if Google "was feeling lucky" today with the lawsuits or what | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | cause I can count the blurred faces with my fingers -- the rest are clearly visible | 02:11 |
| javispedro | I can recognize a shitload of people | 02:11 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 02:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not feeling lucky | 02:11 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone find the official public source repos for "lsof", "klsof" and "glsof" ? :) | 02:12 |
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| Corsac | apt-cache show lsof | grep Homepage | 02:12 |
| Corsac | Homepage: http://people.freebsd.org/~abe/ | 02:12 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 02:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | he doesn't have a vcs | 02:13 |
| Corsac | not sure it's still worked on :/ | 02:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | Corsac: it is | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, it was recently enough for me to get into the credits :) | 02:14 |
| Corsac | uhuh | 02:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | seriously :) | 02:14 |
| Corsac | new upstream releaes in oct 2007, sep 2008, feb 2009 | 02:14 |
| Corsac | definitely :) | 02:14 |
| Corsac | not much, but still | 02:14 |
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| Corsac | hey kalikianafk | 02:15 |
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| tbf | timeless_mbp: real man don't need no stinkin' vcs | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | how about klsof and glsof? | 02:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | tbf: real men use the world as a dvcs? | 02:15 |
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| kalikianafk | Corsac, :D | 02:15 |
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| b-man17 | ~coin | 02:27 |
| infobot | coin is probably flipped... heads or tails? | 02:27 |
| luke-jr | ... | 02:27 |
| b-man17 | ~heads | 02:27 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: yandere | 02:28 |
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| * sp3000 grumbles at chatzilla and/or irssi | 03:25 | |
| sp3000 | it's really really useful to try to reclaim a nick 50 times at stupidly short intervals, and then give up after a stupidly short time total :) | 03:27 |
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| sp3000 | (although the timeout in these parts seems to be a ...rather generous 10min?) | 03:28 |
| n1c0 | hello maemo folks | 03:29 |
| * sp3000 prefers exponential backoffs | 03:29 | |
| n1c0 | is maemo friendly to "ubuntu mid" | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | No, it hates it, and tries to kill it on sight. | 03:31 |
| n1c0 | where is the limit between nokia os and maemo ? | 03:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, yeah, that's really bizarre. | 03:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | n1c0, Nokia OS? i.e., S40? | 03:34 |
| n1c0 | diablo5 maybe im lost | 03:34 |
| derf | Why should any timer be needed at all if you're in a channel where your ghost is? | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | n1c0, Diablo is Maemo 4. | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo is the OS that ships on the 770, N800, N810 and N900. | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's based on Debian. | 03:35 |
| n1c0 | maemo5 would be able only for n900 , or other tablet may have it too ? | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | n1c0, it's only being officially released for the N900. | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | n1c0, but the open source parts of that will be released for earlier devices with | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 03:36 |
| infobot | it has been said that mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, love your avatar. :P | 03:37 |
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| n1c0 | with n810, i can't enter wpa passphrase with non-alphanumeric chars | 03:40 |
| n1c0 | can i edit the psk-key by hand to insert special chars ? | 03:40 |
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| n1c0 | it s a strong limitation for an mobile device | 03:41 |
| timeless_mbp | things are generally stored in gconf | 03:41 |
| timeless_mbp | whether they work is another question | 03:42 |
| timeless_mbp | is there a bug filed? | 03:42 |
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| n1c0 | no, i dont which app is the buggy wizard | 03:43 |
| realitygaps | the n900 windows NSU updater frozen at 15 minutes remaining for over an hour. If i disconnect will I end up with a brick???? Any ideas? | 03:43 |
| * realitygaps remembering why he ditched proprietary software all those years ago | 03:44 | |
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| lcuk | realitygaps, it might be busy.. | 03:47 |
| realitygaps | lcuk: for so long? it seems nothing has moved since it started.... | 03:48 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 03:48 | |
| lcuk | everything did go live today | 03:48 |
| sp3000 | derf: I don't actually have a desire to touch it manually :) | 03:48 |
| lcuk | people have been happily updating on the whole | 03:48 |
| * lcuk beds anyway | 03:48 | |
| realitygaps | lcuk: i know, if consumers get these sorts of problems tho they will be pissed.... | 03:48 |
| sp3000 | derf: also, not paying attention until later, and having a off-by-one nick and a bunch of server spam | 03:49 |
| realitygaps | could it be completely bricked if i pull the cable? | 03:49 |
| derf | sp3000: I don't know what you're using in irssi, but keepnick.pl reclaims the nick immediately after the quit message. | 03:49 |
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| sp3000 | derf: that sounds entirely too smart | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like when you answer people's questions on Talk then they fly off into a rant like you tried to insult them. | 03:50 |
| derf | Didn't you quit Talk? | 03:50 |
| * realitygaps pulls cable from n900 and prays to the FSM | 03:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, yeah, staid clean for 5 days, now I'm trying just watching General/Community/Maemo 6. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, it's not working. :( | 03:51 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 03:52 |
| timeless_mbp | drugs are bad for you | 03:52 |
| sp3000 | realitygaps: yeah, when people talk about full screen mode, I'm just reminded of spaghetti | 03:52 |
| derf | I've been /.-free for exactly 8 years, to the day. | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, impressive. | 03:52 |
| realitygaps | derf. v. impressive :) | 03:52 |
| * GeneralAntilles still loads digg every couple months out of old habit. | 03:52 | |
| * realitygaps is mostly on reddit | 03:53 | |
| derf | I've managed to avoid both of those. | 03:54 |
| realitygaps | well pulling the cable didnt brick the device, had to hard reboot by pulling the battery and the rom is still .41-10 | 03:54 |
| derf | At least beyond the occasional, non-addictive visit when something else links there. | 03:55 |
| dmj726 | Is there a ui element for a slide out menu like in this: http://imagebin.org/71163 | 03:55 |
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| pwnguin | reddit / slashdot arent bad in moderation | 04:00 |
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| jaem_n810 | hello folks | 05:00 |
| jaem_n810 | I have a prerelease N900, and it seems to not have the /opt-y goodness | 05:03 |
| jaem_n810 | is there any way of telling if it's safe to flash final FW onto the device? | 05:03 |
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| tarek | jaem_n810, I've been here for a while and I've seen, what I've understood as, many failures | 05:30 |
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| * realitygaps n900 flashed successfully :) | 05:51 | |
| jaem | oops... I got called away | 05:56 |
| jaem | realitygaps, where did you get the FW image? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | C'mon, Nokia, throw the users of real operating systems a break here. :( | 05:56 |
| jaem | GA: ? | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, retail image is currently only available through NSU. | 05:57 |
| jaem | ah | 05:57 |
| jaem | well, I have a box that I slapped a spare Windows license on a while back | 05:57 |
| jaem | I guess I can use that | 05:57 |
| jaem | but that is rather lame | 05:57 |
| jaem | regarding my previous question, do you know if there is any issue with flashing release FW on prerelease units? | 05:58 |
| doc|work | hmmm, why are nokia saying released in north america but you can't actually get it in canada and be sure it'll work? | 05:58 |
| doc|work | work well that is | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, at worst you may have to unpack the firmware image before flashing. | 05:58 |
| jaem | oh? why? | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|work, work well? | 05:59 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: I've heard here that people are only getting edge | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, sometimes the PR FIASCO images don't have the prototype product codes in them. | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | So the flasher wont want to flash the image. | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | In which case you'll just have to do each part individually. | 05:59 |
| jaem | ah, makes sense | 05:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | doc|work, yeah, same with AT&T in the US. | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Canadian 3G frequencies are the same. | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no, no 3G for Canada or US AT&T customers. | 06:00 |
| jaem | heh... earlier I was trying to look up info on that, and without thinking, searched for "N900 fiasco"... then realized that probably wasn't a useful query | 06:00 |
| doc|work | yep. that was my point :/ so saying released in north america is a bit misleading | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | The cynical part of me says that was a part of the agreement with T-Mobile USA for subsidization. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works on 3G on T-Mobile :roll: | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which basically means, "Nowhere" | 06:01 |
| doc|work | that'd be fine if they'd come out and say it and then tell us how long that dumbass policy will be in place. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's pretty retarded. | 06:01 |
| doc|work | I'm not spending $700 on a phone only to have it not work to its full potential. | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Considering that those same frequencies are used in Latina America, Canada, some parts of Asia and Australia. | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, it's not just some US customers they're fucking over. | 06:02 |
| dragorn | DocScrutinizer: it's not going to change, at&t and tmobile use different frequencies for high-speed data in the US as far as I'm aware | 06:02 |
| dragorn | er, doc|work. Autocomplete failure. | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | dragorn, shipping a device that supports both isn't difficult. | 06:03 |
| doc|work | dragorn: it could change if they released more variations on the devices. | 06:03 |
| dragorn | GeneralAntilles: i suppose, if you care about that kind of thing | 06:03 |
| doc|work | hah | 06:03 |
| dragorn | tends to impact device cost and manuf time | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | dragorn, to add one frequency? :) | 06:03 |
| doc|work | there are plenty of quad band phones | 06:03 |
| doc|work | much cheaper than the n900 too | 06:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | The GSM modem already works with it. | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's just a matter of one more round of certification tests. | 06:04 |
| doc|work | unless I'm confusing those quad band with older technology | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still say it was an agreement with T-Mobile. | 06:04 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: not supported in the OS? | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|work, OS just sends commands to a blackbox. | 06:05 |
| doc|work | GeneralAntilles: so could it be hacked in? | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not supported by the firmware that's loaded on the GSM module. | 06:05 |
| doc|work | ah | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I'm sure it COULD. | 06:05 |
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| doc|work | but it'd be very very difficult, right? | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whether the time/money factor approaches anything even remotely sane, though. | 06:05 |
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| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know enough about cellular modems to say. | 06:05 | |
| * doc|work about to get disconnected :/ | 06:06 | |
| jaem | GeneralAntilles: the N900 isn't listed yet on the NSU page. Do you have a link to the download? | 06:09 |
| jaem | the N810 download seems to be specific to the tablets, and I wasn't sure if the N900 was included in that designation | 06:09 |
| jaem | nvm... found it | 06:10 |
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| dmj726 | ugh...maemo.org is SLOW | 06:44 |
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| dmj726 | Does maemo.org take anyone else more than a minute to load a page? | 07:07 |
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| johnx | allo all | 07:22 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, really? that chipset actually supports quad-band WCDMA? | 07:25 |
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| Proteous | dmj726: yes, maemo.org is running off of a single overheated nokia 770 | 07:30 |
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| dmj726 | Despite the fact that NITs can run apache, I'm not sure I believe this. | 07:30 |
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| johnx | actually, for a small set of static files, an n8x0 should be fine | 07:34 |
| johnx | I used to run a wiki on a zaurus 5500 | 07:35 |
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| tigert | morngn | 09:17 |
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| RST38h | hello tigert | 09:18 |
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| tigert | johnx: we ran websites on 486s with 8MB of ram, I bet a modest traffic site would run just fine on N900 :) | 09:20 |
| * tigert remembers his pentium 90MHz with 16MB that ran the first versions of Gnome desktop | 09:21 | |
| * RST38h ran DNS, HTTPD, SMTPD, and developed applications on a single 100MHz Pentium box | 09:23 | |
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| RST38h | Worked just fine | 09:23 |
| kirma | I ran httpd and sshd on microvax | 09:23 |
| kirma | that was really on verge of unusable | 09:24 |
| tigert | :) | 09:24 |
| kirma | something like 0.6 vax mips or whatever | 09:24 |
| tigert | this is what I like about free software btw | 09:24 |
| tigert | whenever you can run linux or bsd on it | 09:24 |
| tigert | your software will work more or less | 09:24 |
| tigert | be it a toaster or a PC | 09:25 |
| RST38h | kirma: We had microvaxen used by 40 people at a time | 09:25 |
| tigert | like, worst case, I can do design work from any pc with a ubuntu live CD | 09:25 |
| RST38h | kirma: checking email, news, and programming | 09:25 |
| kirma | public key crypto on ssh handshake took like a minute on ssh2 | 09:25 |
| tigert | gimp + inkscape | 09:25 |
| tigert | kirma: :) | 09:25 |
| RST38h | tigert: Try current KDE on a MicroVAX | 09:26 |
| RST38h | tigert: Then revisit your statement | 09:26 |
| kirma | RST38h: believable... if the software being run isn't written decade or two later than the system was sold | 09:26 |
| tigert | RST38h: should try gnome 1.0 and gimp 0.54 on current pc :) | 09:27 |
| * tigert remembers fvwm1 and GoodStuffBar | 09:27 | |
| RST38h | windowmaker | 09:27 |
| * RST38h remembers twm and olwm | 09:28 | |
| RST38h | and athena too | 09:28 |
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| RST38h | "The Nokia N900 Isn't A Phone, It's A Psychotic Shapeshifter" (C)Engadget | 09:29 |
| RST38h | Funny, how this stupid video has started gathering public interest just now. Has been out for weeks... | 09:30 |
| Ave | I want engadget full handson review, or any review | 09:30 |
| Ave | the 900 looks considerably thicker than 810, is it? and is it also heavier | 09:31 |
| eie | never held the 810, but I did try the 900 its not heavy at all | 09:31 |
| RST38h | Ave: there is plenty of n900 reviews | 09:32 |
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| * RST38h stands corrected: that was Gizmodo's quote =) | 09:32 | |
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| Ave | RST38h: of production units? | 09:34 |
| Ave | I better start looking closer then .. | 09:34 |
| eie | crap | 09:35 |
| tigert | Ave: thicker, but smaller in other dimensions | 09:35 |
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| tigert | Ave: I think N810 is heavier but I could be wrong | 09:36 |
| eie | n900 sold for $833 here, you need to pay half price to reserve it | 09:36 |
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| Ave | 810 feels quite heavy | 09:36 |
| tigert | ave: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4015744009/ | 09:36 |
| tigert | Ave: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/4031995550/ < its not _that_ big | 09:38 |
| tigert | iphone is bigger in width + height | 09:38 |
| tigert | just thinner because it has no keyboard | 09:38 |
| Ave | hmm nice | 09:38 |
| eie | n810 Weight: 226 g - n900 Weight: 181g | 09:38 |
| tigert | eie: ok, so its lighter like I thought | 09:38 |
| Ave | approaching portable isntead of luggable | 09:38 |
| tigert | N810 has more metal in the casing | 09:38 |
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| Ave | metal is good! | 09:39 |
| tigert | N810 was jacket pocketable | 09:39 |
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| tigert | N900 is jeans pocketable | 09:39 |
| tigert | at least in my use | 09:39 |
| Ave | I had n810 in my jeans pocket but its not particularly comfy | 09:39 |
| tigert | and I dont listen to rap :) | 09:39 |
| tigert | Ave: yeah | 09:39 |
| tigert | it fits but wasnt comfy | 09:39 |
| eie | I wonder if its a good decision to buy a nokia phone the moment it arrives or | 09:40 |
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| eie | wait couple of months till the fix the issues it has | 09:40 |
| eie | they* | 09:40 |
| Ave | I'm gonna hold on for a while | 09:41 |
| eie | plus a drop in price | 09:41 |
| Ave | I recently got htc hero and I'm pretty sold on the android paltform .. | 09:41 |
| Ave | java, ugh! but other than that | 09:41 |
| tigert | Ave: how is the hero in terms of speed/performance? | 09:42 |
| tigert | a friend had the Tmobile android phone and it was slow as heck so he gave up on it | 09:42 |
| Ave | pretty weak sauce, its the last gen cpu and all | 09:42 |
| diggernet | ave: is it true android will only let you open 6 apps? | 09:42 |
| Ave | not modern by any means, like omap2 when you really should have omap3 | 09:42 |
| Ave | but it is slick | 09:42 |
| RST38h | Ave: Whatever they handed out at the Summit was pretty much a production unit | 09:42 |
| RST38h | Ave: So you can peruse the current reviews | 09:43 |
| Ave | diggernet: no, the last used apps list is 6 apps long tho | 09:43 |
| eie | anyone checked how many years of warranty you get for the n900? | 09:43 |
| eie | they told me 1 year only in here | 09:43 |
| RST38h | 1 year is a standard Nokia warranty | 09:43 |
| RST38h | so no surprises there | 09:44 |
| eie | there were some nokai phones with 2 years | 09:44 |
| Ave | I guess the only "modern" android phone out there is the motorola droid and I find it ugly | 09:44 |
| eie | depends from where you get it | 09:44 |
| Ave | eircsson xperia following | 09:44 |
| Suurorca | nokia 1 year us, 2 years eu | 09:45 |
| RST38h | 1 year in .ru | 09:46 |
| zaheerm-lp | i year uk | 09:46 |
| zaheerm-lp | s/i/1 | 09:47 |
| Suurorca | well, if it's one year in uk, just send it for repairs in some other eu country ;) | 09:47 |
| eie | heavy spec and expensive phone but only 1 year warranty | 09:47 |
| eie | so lame | 09:47 |
| eie | you get 5 years warranty for a water heater | 09:48 |
| Suurorca | yes well, blaim your local legistlation | 09:48 |
| zaheerm-lp | companies tend to only give the minimim the law mandates | 09:48 |
| Suurorca | yeap | 09:49 |
| Suurorca | nothing new there | 09:49 |
| eie | because they want to sell a better phone next year | 09:49 |
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| eie | I hope I dont buy the n900 and they release n910 january 2011 | 09:49 |
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| eie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet | 09:51 |
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| eie | N800 January 2007 | 09:51 |
| eie | N810 October 2007 | 09:51 |
| eie | N810 WiMAX Edition April 2008 | 09:52 |
| tigert | the N810 didnt stop working yesterday, you know... | 09:52 |
| eie | do the math lol | 09:52 |
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| Rofven | Hi! I have a problem to check the signal strength on my nokia n810, I use the LibConIC Library and when i use the event.get_signal_strength...it returns a value that is very close to Intmax...what does it says about the signal strength? Plz help | 09:53 |
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| diggernet | this may be a pointless question, but is there anyone here with an N900 who has ever reflashed it? tigert? anyone? | 10:00 |
| linfl683 | Hi! I have a problem to check the signal strength on my nokia n810, I use the LibConIC Library and when i use the event.get_signal_strength...it returns a value that is very close to Intmax...what does it says about the signal strength? Plz help | 10:01 |
| _marcell_ | diggernet: I did | 10:01 |
| Mek | i have flashed one a number of times as well... | 10:02 |
| linfl683 | Does someone know how to get the signal strength? | 10:03 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:03 |
| diggernet | ah, good. I have one that was attempted to be upgraded via Nokia Software Updater, but the update failed. it won't boot, but it appears to turn on in flashing mode ok. but I can't find an image to flash to it using flasher-3.5. any suggestions? | 10:04 |
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| Mek | I don't think images to flash with are already publicly available | 10:05 |
| _marcell_ | I only used the command line flasher with the flash image. Like with the n810 | 10:05 |
| Mek | and yes, I also used the cli flasher | 10:05 |
| _marcell_ | I guess you have to wait until the flash image is publicly available for the n900 | 10:05 |
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| diggernet | is there an image available within nokia intranet somewhere, not public? | 10:07 |
| _marcell_ | diggernet: yes | 10:07 |
| tigert | diggernet: I have reflashed maybe 100 times ;) | 10:07 |
| Mek | yes, there is | 10:07 |
| tigert | diggernet: but I work for nokia, thus reflashing internal builds like every day to test them | 10:07 |
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| _marcell_ | I guess that everyone who has access to flash images at this point works for nokia :) | 10:08 |
| adeus | or is a subcontractor | 10:08 |
| diggernet | I work for nokia also, but don't know where to go to find an image. :) | 10:08 |
| tigert | ask your manager :) | 10:09 |
| zaheerm-lp | what is the gtk event i need to handle for a long tap? | 10:09 |
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| Xisdibik | tigert: nokia spy!!! oh wait we want you here.. doh | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | Xisdibik: there's very large numbers of nokians and subcontractors in here. part of community like all others | 10:12 |
| Xisdibik | Stskeeps: i know, i was jokin :) | 10:12 |
| Xisdibik | ill be much more happy once my n900 arrives :) | 10:13 |
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| linfl683 | Please, I have a project in school and have to know how to get the signal strength. Does somone know, or have a friend that knows? | 10:16 |
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| Stskeeps | linfl683: libiw? | 10:17 |
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| linfl683 | Stskeeps: What is libiw? | 10:19 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles' email to -developers (should've gone to -users really) suggests that you can flash using Windows to the retail image? | 10:19 |
| tigert | Xisdibik: you think I am the only one? :) | 10:20 |
| tigert | Xisdibik: this is the maemo channel, where a lot of us hang around anyway | 10:21 |
| Xisdibik | tigert: nope, you guys are like flies! everywhere! ;) j/k | 10:21 |
| tigert | :) | 10:21 |
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| Xisdibik | if your allowed to say, was the maemo talk article about the n900's being shipped now true? | 10:22 |
| samad | is it possible to detect double tap | 10:22 |
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| alterego | I guess no device programme for me then :'( | 10:22 |
| tigert | " | 10:23 |
| tigert | The shipments of the Nokia N900 have now started. The factories are now working full speed and the devices are on their way to distribution. | 10:23 |
| tigert | " | 10:23 |
| Jaffa | Xisdibik: It's all over the Internet, including on Nokia Conversations | 10:23 |
| tigert | says Ari in his blog | 10:23 |
| Xisdibik | Jaffa: yea but its hard to believe ;) | 10:23 |
| tigert | http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ | 10:23 |
| tigert | so it is as official as it can be :) | 10:23 |
| alterego | I can't afford 500, that's so bad. | 10:23 |
| samad | is it possible to detect double tap as event | 10:24 |
| * alterego dies a little inside ^.^ | 10:24 | |
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| crashanddie__ | samad, you have to code it yourself | 10:25 |
| Suurorca | neither can I, really, but... well. credit cards are nice =P | 10:25 |
| crashanddie__ | samad, however, from what I understand at the summit, they might be thinking about "programmable events" for Maemo 6 | 10:25 |
| samad | using timer and click event?? | 10:25 |
| crashanddie__ | samad, pretty much | 10:26 |
| alterego | Oh, it's because my karma wasn't above 200, great .. | 10:29 |
| L0cutus | re | 10:29 |
| alterego | I heard nothing, | 10:29 |
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| zaheerm-lp | samad, double tap is like a double click | 10:30 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, you can connect to button-press-event and if the event type is GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS | 10:31 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, then you have a double tap | 10:31 |
| zaheerm-lp | i currently am trying to figure out how to detect a long tap.... | 10:32 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, in python it is gtk.gdk._2BUTTON_PRESS | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | linfl683: library for interfacing with wireless interface | 10:37 |
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| alterego | I wonder, if I sell my N96 and N95 8G I'll be able to recoup enough cash to justify buying the N900 | 10:40 |
| alterego | I might just buy another N810 | 10:40 |
| alterego | Mine is starting to die, | 10:40 |
| alterego | The touch screen is becoming very faulty. | 10:40 |
| alterego | Which means, soon, I'll have no tablet. | 10:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | n810 prices seem to have risen on ebay/... oddly | 10:46 |
| alterego | Heh | 10:46 |
| alterego | Probably they know my situation :P | 10:46 |
| Ave | man, I'm gonna score big time | 10:47 |
| Ave | ??? profit etc | 10:47 |
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| samad | <zaheerm-lp> : the application crashed | 10:47 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, ? | 10:48 |
| samad | GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS | 10:48 |
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| samad | with the event | 10:48 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, you need to listen for button-press-event and check the event's type is _GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS | 10:48 |
| samad | g_signal_connect (my_plugin, GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS, | 10:51 |
| samad | G_CALLBACK (home_on_button_double_tap_event), NULL) | 10:51 |
| zaheerm-lp | no no | 10:52 |
| samad | <zaheerm-lp> i use the line and create the method | 10:52 |
| zaheerm-lp | g_signal_connect (my_plugin, "button-press-event", ...... | 10:52 |
| zaheerm-lp | and then in your callback, check event.type == _GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS | 10:52 |
| samad | ok | 10:52 |
| alterego | Fuck it, I'm going to buy it. | 10:53 |
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| Ave | haha | 10:53 |
| * alterego orders N900 | 10:53 | |
| Ave | you'll get so bad buyers remorse | 10:54 |
| Ave | no sleep tonoght | 10:54 |
| alterego | I don't care. | 10:54 |
| alterego | I need it, | 10:54 |
| alterego | My N810 is dying, | 10:54 |
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| alterego | This is going to split me and my gf up for sure though | 10:54 |
| alterego | So, two birds one stone ^.^ | 10:54 |
| Ave | yay, rationalization | 10:55 |
| Ave | I'm a gadget geek so it wouldnt cause a break up | 10:55 |
| Ave | a small spat perhaps | 10:55 |
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| jX | Ok, so, on my 810, the default Media Player applet seems to be stuck using an out of date media list | 10:59 |
| jX | and I have no clu ehow to get it to refresh like Canola. | 10:59 |
| jX | any ideas? | 11:00 |
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| zaheerm-lp | where in hildon is it defined what the threshold for a long tap is? | 11:03 |
| alterego | That's Gtk+ not hildon, I believe | 11:08 |
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| zaheerm-lp | where in gtk+ is it? :) | 11:08 |
| alterego | Actually, | 11:08 |
| alterego | Ang on, I think I've got it somewhere. | 11:08 |
| zaheerm-lp | and is there a threshold or recommended way of detecting it? | 11:09 |
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| eie | is there release date for maemo 6? | 11:10 |
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| zaheerm-lp | eie, 2010 sometime is what was mentioned | 11:10 |
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| eie | zaheerm 1st/2nd/3rd quarter? | 11:11 |
| alterego | Heh | 11:11 |
| eie | so much talks about n900 and maemo 6 | 11:12 |
| eie | any idea if we can update the n900 to maemo 6? | 11:12 |
| alterego | eie, I'm pretty sure that's a yes. | 11:12 |
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| alterego | zaheerm-lp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-June/000257.html | 11:16 |
| alterego | I don't know if that's helpful | 11:16 |
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| zaheerm-lp | alterego, awesome, wonder why i don't see this documented anywhere in maemo5 docs | 11:18 |
| alterego | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/gtk/GtkWidget.html | 11:18 |
| alterego | It's there at the bottom ;) | 11:18 |
| alterego | Are yopu interested in the timeout or do you want to use the event? | 11:19 |
| dmj726 | are there any maemo python tutorials/examples? | 11:19 |
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| zaheerm-lp | alterego, the event, i didn't see it :) | 11:19 |
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| alterego | Ah, okay | 11:20 |
| zaheerm-lp | alterego, i saw long tap in the hildon ui pdf thing and a search for that got me nothing on google and on maemo.org! | 11:20 |
| alterego | Well, the tap-and-hold event looks like what you need, registerable on any object derived from GtkWidget (obviously ;) and if you want to ge tthe state, you can query the GObject property "tap-and-hold-state" | 11:21 |
| lbt | alterego: eie: re "any idea if we can update the n900 to maemo 6?" .... I wouldn't count on it | 11:21 |
| alterego | You might need to call "gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup()" before you use it. | 11:21 |
| alterego | lbt, well, Mer then :) | 11:22 |
| samad | zaheerm-lp : the double tap also creates two single tap | 11:22 |
| lbt | it's possible... but there was no commitment at the summit | 11:22 |
| samad | followed by double tab | 11:22 |
| alterego | If it happens within the first half of next year, I'd be surpised if it wasn't available. | 11:22 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, yes it does | 11:22 |
| samad | how can i distinguished it | 11:22 |
| lbt | I raised the point that a transition from M5 (gtk) to M6 (Qt) without *any* live device testing and making M6 "mass market" was...... insane | 11:22 |
| alterego | samad: just register the for the double tap even and ignore the single tap event. | 11:23 |
| alterego | Oh, they're moving completely to Qt?! | 11:23 |
| * alterego vomits | 11:23 | |
| alterego | I mean ... YAY! | 11:23 |
| samad | But I need to detect single tab and double tab both | 11:23 |
| dmj726 | gtk will still have community support | 11:23 |
| alterego | samad, what widget? | 11:24 |
| samad | applet main window | 11:24 |
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| wazd | heya all | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 11:25 |
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| lbt | alterego: indeed thay have made that most excellent decision :) | 11:26 |
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| samad | alterego, <zaheerm-lp> :But I need to detect single tab and double tab both | 11:35 |
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| dmj726 | are there any maemo python tutorials/examples? | 11:37 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, plenty | 11:38 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, what kind of example do you want? | 11:38 |
| dmj726 | something simple | 11:38 |
| ensi | f = u'hello' | 11:38 |
| dmj726 | I just want to get a simple graphical app going. | 11:38 |
| ensi | print f | 11:38 |
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| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/z/zoutube/zoutube_0.1-4.tar.gz | 11:39 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, there is only one source file there, it is a pretty small app and it has a gstreamer video windget in there too | 11:40 |
| samad | <zaheerm-lp > any idea?? | 11:40 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, all i can suggest is you add a timer when receiving first button-release and if the 2nd tap hasn't been detected by then say it is a single tap | 11:41 |
| zaheerm-lp | samad, but there may be a better way..... | 11:41 |
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| dmj726 | how do I bring up a terminal in scratchbox? | 11:45 |
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| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, you're already in a terminal :) | 11:51 |
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| dmj726 | hmm unable to load | 12:06 |
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| dmj726 | does maemo 5 come with python 2.5? | 12:08 |
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| GuySoft | hi all, is there a way to get a map of egypt for 'maps'? | 12:15 |
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| RST38h | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10724_A_Qt_powered_S60_interface_loo.php | 12:16 |
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| Jaffa | GuySoft: Which "Maps"? N900 Ovi Maps or N8x0 Wayfinder Maps | 12:16 |
| RST38h | Take alook (some apps appear to be using S60 still) | 12:16 |
| GuySoft | Jaffa Wayfinder N810 | 12:17 |
| GuySoft | Jaffa if there is any other vector map that would do too.. | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | GuySoft: Only data is available to download from http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/wfnavigator/ - I dunno if any of those include Egypt | 12:18 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 12:18 |
| GuySoft | Jaffa they dont | 12:19 |
| Jaffa | GuySoft: Only other option, if you want vector, is OpenStreetMap in GPXView (for example) | 12:20 |
| GuySoft | middle east is strangely the areb states | 12:20 |
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| GuySoft | Jaffa is there another way to get a navigation tool for that area? | 12:22 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, it's a layer only | 12:23 |
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| Jaffa | GuySoft: Maemo Mapper uses bitmaps, e.g. from Google Maps | 12:23 |
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| GuySoft | Jaffa, yes but no svg | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | GuySoft: Indeed. | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | GuySoft: Those are your options AIUI | 12:24 |
| GuySoft | Jaffa, also, ii need to have it offline | 12:24 |
| GuySoft | mapper needs a connection | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | There are various openstreetmap progtrams that might run, but would need variable amounts of hacking. | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | including offline. Look at the wiki | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | (the openstreetmap wiki) | 12:25 |
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| GuySoft | opwnstreetmap does not have all the streets, isnt there a way to get maemo mapper to work offline? | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | GuySoft: Maemo Mapper only needs a connection for navigation. It can show maps and location using pre-downloaded data | 12:27 |
| GuySoft | Jaffa, i know, is there a way to tell it to download a area in advance? | 12:29 |
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| dmj726 | hmm I like the application manager now that I know about red pill mode | 12:30 |
| GuySoft | dmj726 apt-get stilll is better in solving some things | 12:31 |
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| GuySoft | is there a way to get mapper to have offfline maps? | 12:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also, you can add streets to OSM - but yes. | 12:46 |
| dmj726 | zaheerm-lp: any ideas why zoutube would fail? | 12:46 |
| prometoys | hi, is it normal, that I can't change the server addresses of an IMAP account in modest | 12:48 |
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| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, fail where? | 12:52 |
| dmj726 | it shows the window opening, then fails. | 12:53 |
| dmj726 | ...takes a few seconds to fail though | 12:53 |
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| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, did you install it as a package? | 12:53 |
| dmj726 | yes | 12:53 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, and how do you run it? | 12:53 |
| zaheerm-lp | from the menu icon? | 12:53 |
| dmj726 | yes | 12:53 |
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| GuySoft | is navit worth anything? | 12:54 |
| zaheerm-lp | ok, try running it in a terminal: /opt/zoutube/zoutube | 12:54 |
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| zaheerm-lp | or if you're on scratchbox, do: run-standalone.sh /opt/zoutube/zoutube | 12:55 |
| pupnik_ | heh at qwertz | 12:55 |
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| dmj726 | ImportError: No module named hildon | 12:55 |
| dmj726 | Traceback (most recent call last): | 12:55 |
| dmj726 | File "/opt/zoutube/zoutube", line 39, in <module> | 12:55 |
| dmj726 | import hildon | 12:55 |
| dmj726 | ImportError: No module named hildon | 12:55 |
| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, in device or scratchbox? | 12:55 |
| dmj726 | scrathbox | 12:56 |
| dmj726 | I wish I could get it to fail on the device I don't have | 12:56 |
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| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, ah looks like i missed a dep | 12:57 |
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| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, install python-hildon | 12:57 |
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| zaheerm-lp | dmj726, in meantime i'll build a new package | 12:57 |
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| dmj726 | I don't see a hildon-python | 12:59 |
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| lizardo | dmj726: it is "python-hildon" | 13:00 |
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| zaheerm-lp | apt-cache search python-hildon | 13:00 |
| zaheerm-lp | python-hildon - Python bindings for Hildon Framework. | 13:00 |
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| dmj726 | yeah...it seems to be missing | 13:01 |
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| lizardo | dmj726: do you have the extras-devel repository added to your scratchbox target /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 13:01 |
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| dmj726 | I just tried to install another python app and it says it can't install it. | 13:02 |
| dmj726 | yes | 13:02 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, python-hildon is not in extras or extras-testing ? | 13:02 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: it is in testing | 13:03 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: but for scratchbox development it is recommended to have extras-devel in /etc/apt/sources.list | 13:03 |
| dmj726 | oops | 13:03 |
| dmj726 | didn't do testing | 13:03 |
| dmj726 | just extras and devel | 13:03 |
| dmj726 | adding now | 13:03 |
| zaheerm | yes so he needs extras-testing | 13:03 |
| zaheerm | :) | 13:03 |
| lizardo | dmj726: I don't believe that's the issue, because in this case you would have pulled the package from extras-devel... something else is missing :) | 13:04 |
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| zaheerm | is python-hildon in -devel and -testing? | 13:05 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: yes, it is in both repositories | 13:05 |
| zaheerm | ok | 13:05 |
| dmj726 | seems like python bindings are somehow an issue | 13:06 |
| dmj726 | pidgin works fine | 13:06 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: the main reason to have extras-devel in your scratchbox target is because the autobuilder also has it, so if you don't have it in your target you might risk using a dependency whose version is older than the one that will be promoted to extras-testing... | 13:07 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, understood | 13:07 |
| lizardo | breakfast time :) brb | 13:07 |
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| dmj726 | I don't see python-hildon in anyof the repos | 13:11 |
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| zaheerm | dmj726, can you pastebin your sources.list | 13:11 |
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| dmj726 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free | 13:12 |
| dmj726 | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free | 13:13 |
| dmj726 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free | 13:13 |
| dmj726 | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free | 13:13 |
| dmj726 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/PRIVATE-TOKEN-CODE-CENSORED nokia-binaries | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | Nokia's gonna be after your ass, now... | 13:13 |
| dmj726 | ? | 13:13 |
| qwerty12 | Exaggeration, but your nokia-binaries token shouldn't be shared | 13:14 |
| dmj726 | oh | 13:14 |
| dmj726 | Nobody look | 13:14 |
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| zaheerm | dmj726, i see no extras-devel | 13:15 |
| dmj726 | added in the app manager | 13:15 |
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| zaheerm | btw python-hildon def in extras-devel http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/python-hildon/ | 13:16 |
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| zaheerm | dmj726, add to sources.list: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 13:17 |
| zaheerm | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 13:17 |
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| dmj726 | still no | 13:21 |
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| zaheerm-lp | did you: apt-get update ? | 13:24 |
| zaheerm-lp | then: fakeroot apt-get install python-hildon | 13:24 |
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| zaheerm-lp | or fakeroot apt-get update even | 13:25 |
| zaheerm-lp | before fakeroot apt-get install python-hildon | 13:25 |
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| dmj726 | aha! | 13:26 |
| dmj726 | works aside from the fact that carl sagan is now blue | 13:27 |
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| zaheerm | dmj726, blame scratchbox video acceleration i think :) | 13:30 |
| pupnik_ | heh, all your video going over loopback | 13:32 |
| qwerty12 | bug 4870 | 13:32 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK | 13:32 |
| zaheerm | dmj726, works properly in the device i assure you :) | 13:33 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:33 |
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| dmj726 | I'm sure nokia wouldn't release a device with reversed colors | 13:35 |
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| dmj726 | I hope not anyway | 13:35 |
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| dreamer_ | in scratchbox why would I be able to run links repository.maemo.org and have it load correctly, but not resolv repoisitory.maemo.org for apt-get update? | 13:37 |
| lardman | qwerty12: well your changes run, as expected ;) | 13:37 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: With toolbar? | 13:38 |
| lardman | yeah | 13:38 |
| qwerty12 | Knock yourself out with the rest ;) | 13:38 |
| lardman | but the Fremantle toolbar is larger than the gtk one, so we lose even more space | 13:38 |
| lardman | I found an email about rebasing the menu, so that's a start | 13:39 |
| qwerty12 | It's all in the name of finger-friendliness... Repeat after me: finger-friendliness, finger-friendliness... | 13:39 |
| lardman | am considering iterating through menu items and adding them to a hildon menu | 13:39 |
| lardman | lol yeah | 13:39 |
| lardman | well one of those pop up toolbars like the browser sounds like a plan to me ;) | 13:39 |
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| lardman | also having the sidebar pop up would be better use of the screen | 13:40 |
| lardman | will have to look through the widget list and see what would do the job | 13:40 |
| lardman | ~lart guis | 13:40 |
| * infobot installs a bad bootloader on guis and turns guis into a brick | 13:40 | |
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| dmj726 | Hey, it's working | 13:43 |
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| * lardman is disappointed no-one has commented about libaddress | 13:45 | |
| andre__ | jeremiah, can you remove maemo-recorder 0.3.0 from the -testing repository? it has been superseded by Recorder 0.3.1 which is also already in -testing | 13:46 |
| * lardman thinks package authors need a way of removing their own packages | 13:46 | |
| cehteh | some day the admins will be pissed enough :) | 13:47 |
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| * lardman sends beer | 13:47 | |
| andre__ | lardman, yes. | 13:47 |
| lardman | so would a hildon_ui_manager thing be acceptable, even though it avoids people needing to re-write their menus? :) | 13:48 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman: That was discussed in the #maemo-meeting regarding the QA process, and it was suggested that a thumb down by the maintainer on the package would allow for its removal from the QA list at least. Now if only we could get our stuff removed from extras-devel... | 13:49 |
| lardman | qwerty12: thanks, I'll have a read of the minutes | 13:49 |
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| dmj726 | zaheerm-lp: Good news! I'm able to tweak the zoutube app. Bad news! I've managed to mangle the GUI! | 13:54 |
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| zaheerm | dmj726, great | 13:55 |
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| jaem | dmj726, woo | 13:57 |
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| dmj726 | thanks for all your help! | 13:58 |
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| * dmj726 probably shouldn't've stayed up until 6am, but oh well. | 13:59 | |
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| jaem | dmj726, you're on IRC... that's a given ;) | 14:01 |
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| dmj726 | This maemo system is great (speaking from scratchbox experience only of course) | 14:03 |
| lardman | dmj726: you must be using a different sb to the rest of us ;) | 14:03 |
| dmj726 | It does lag | 14:03 |
| dmj726 | But I can really feel the awesomeness of the OS. | 14:04 |
| dmj726 | Mostly, it's the apps that are convincing me of this. | 14:04 |
| dmj726 | Most of my day-to-day apps are already ported, or there is an equivalent. | 14:05 |
| * lardman takes one look at the GtkUiManager code and decides that writing your own is a better bet | 14:06 | |
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| cehteh | hehe scratchbox on my 1.2ghz laptop with inferior intel graphics really sux | 14:06 |
| lardman | I never use the graphics stuff in sb | 14:06 |
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| dmj726 | Pidgin is nice | 14:07 |
| dmj726 | off-the-record should be ported though | 14:08 |
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| lardman | if it's not integrated I'm not insterested | 14:09 |
| dmj726 | it could use some tweaking, but I'm glad it's here. | 14:09 |
| dmj726 | lots of apps in the works though. | 14:10 |
| jeremiah_ | VDVsx: Have you seen mgedmin? | 14:11 |
| jeremiah_ | I would love to get the logs from yesterday. :) | 14:11 |
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| VDVsx | jeremiah, nop :( | 14:12 |
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| jeremiah_ | :) | 14:13 |
| jeremiah_ | I'll send him an email. :) | 14:13 |
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| cehteh | anyone yet hacked the flash leds of the camera to use them as lights? dimmed? | 14:16 |
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| woglinde | jo | 14:16 |
| tank-man | wouldn't that drain the power fast? | 14:16 |
| dmj726 | tank-man: I bet it would. | 14:17 |
| cehteh | hi woglinde :) | 14:17 |
| woglinde | ~karma | 14:17 |
| infobot | woglinde has neutral karma | 14:17 |
| woglinde | pff | 14:17 |
| dmj726 | It would make an awesome flashlight for short periods of time though | 14:17 |
| zaheerm | dmj726, the telepathy haze plugins should remove any need to use pidgin | 14:17 |
| dmj726 | ...and you're guaranteed to be the only one around with a phone that does it. | 14:17 |
| cehteh | tank-man: dimmed, not full power, the heat wont be manageable anyways | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I have doubts that the LEDs will be rated to be run all the time | 14:18 |
| tank-man | camera flashes usually aren't directly powered by a battery, they are powered by a capacitor, which is powered by the battery | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | you will need to PWM them at 25% or so I suspect | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It will still be quite bright | 14:18 |
| lcuk | cehteh, peter demonstrated it at a conf | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | tank-man: not LEd flashes | 14:18 |
| woglinde | jo cehteh | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | tank-man: typically anyway | 14:18 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: exactly | 14:18 |
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| cehteh | maybe even 10% or less | 14:18 |
| woglinde | hm only 11 karma points | 14:18 |
| * lcuk already has a torch on n900 tho | 14:18 | |
| lcuk | strangely enough it works on n810 too ;) | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Sure - it's very inefficient, compared to the LEDs - in terms of power use. | 14:19 |
| cehteh | they will pretty instantly overheat at full power | 14:19 |
| lardman | apply lighter fluid to plastic parts, add spark | 14:19 |
| jaem | lcuk, just got my N900 today - liqflow is pretty sweet | 14:19 |
| woglinde | why uploading apps to extras dont count as karma | 14:19 |
| lardman | woglinde: good point | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: Did you purchase it? | 14:19 |
| timeless_mbp | jaem: have you installed my package? :) | 14:19 |
| lardman | perhaps # of downloads would be better though | 14:19 |
| woglinde | lardman thanks | 14:19 |
| lcuk | jaem, then do a full testing cycle and rate it please http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 14:19 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, no - prerelease loaner through my uni | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:20 |
| jaem | timeless_mbp, which one? | 14:20 |
| lcuk | not just liqflow, but do as many of the apps as possible | 14:20 |
| lcuk | its cool and only a start :) | 14:20 |
| jaem | lcuk, I'll see what I can do, but this week is killer paper week >_< | 14:20 |
| lcuk | ok :P just liqflow then since you have tested it | 14:20 |
| dmj726 | what do you know the telepathy plugins add support for all the IM accounts I use | 14:21 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, apparently my prof convinced someone at Dev Days to loan him a couple, since the one we ordered wasn't going to be here in time :P | 14:21 |
| dmj726 | WHy aren't these plugins bundled? | 14:21 |
| jaem | it's pretty awesome | 14:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | jaem: neat. | 14:21 |
| jaem | I noticed the camera app I used popped up a banner saying that image quality depends on hardware and firmware revision... does anyone know if the release models have better webcam quality? I sincerely hope so | 14:22 |
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| dmj726 | zaheerm-lp: Why aren't the telepathy plugins included? | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: reportedly not. | 14:22 |
| zaheerm | dmj726, ask nokia | 14:23 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, :/ | 14:23 |
| ShadowJK | how's the "webcam" quality? Like N8x0? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: the front webcam anyway is likely to be bad - simply as it's a chip probably costing $1 | 14:23 |
| dmj726 | they quadruple the usefulness of the IM client | 14:23 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, mine is worse, from what I can see | 14:23 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, fair enough, but mine is pretty awful | 14:23 |
| ShadowJK | is that indoors or outdoors? | 14:23 |
| dmj726 | As long as it's usable enough for video conferencing. | 14:24 |
| cehteh | well it prolly wont draw much power, | 14:24 |
| jaem | ShadowJK, both, although the lighting in my dorm isn't great, so it may not be as bad I as I think | 14:24 |
| jaem | dmj726, it is, but it isn't pretty | 14:24 |
| dmj726 | is it good enough to check if you have helmet hair? | 14:25 |
| cehteh | i am tinking about having an app capturing 1 frame per minute and store it (if its not dark) .. gettings some history from where i have been, and just in case it gets stolen, uploading this to my server :) | 14:25 |
| jaem | out of curiousity, does the Internets have any pictures of the retail packaging yet, that anyone knows of? | 14:25 |
| jaem | dmj726, probably | 14:25 |
| jaem | cehteh, Diablo has something similar | 14:25 |
| dmj726 | if it does those, it's good enough for me. | 14:25 |
| cehteh | also some gesture recognition with vga cam would be nice :) | 14:25 |
| pupnik_ | Nlol | 14:26 |
| * jaem points and laughs at dmj726's helmet hair | 14:26 | |
| cehteh | well and i want to experiment with cryted filesystem :P | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Also motion would be good. | 14:26 |
| dmj726 | the one downside to having a bike on campus. | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Set it up on the little kick-stand, so it goes 'bing' when someone comes into frame | 14:26 |
| jaem | dmj726, heh... yeah | 14:26 |
| dmj726 | cehteh: you'll want otr too then! | 14:26 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil, Bing, as in "Bing Is Not Google"? ;) | 14:26 |
| pupnik_ | webcam on such a device should do hardware mpeg4 to offload cpu | 14:26 |
| dmj726 | cehteh: you're on lumiera, right? | 14:26 |
| cehteh | face recognition for login/unlock would be nice too | 14:26 |
| cehteh | dmj726: yes | 14:27 |
| pupnik_ | save power | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: no, bing as in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arCITMfxvEc | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | (0:15) | 14:27 |
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| * timeless_mbp needs a component for bugs in zenity | 14:29 | |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, heh... that's "Ping!" | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | how the heck does one actually get a yes-no dialog in maemo5? | 14:30 |
| jaem | g'night, #maemo | 14:31 |
| ShadowJK | will the question to a yes-no dialog be something like you "Do you not want to not switch the foo off-switch off?" | 14:31 |
| jaem | yes! | 14:31 |
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| woglinde | stskeep what? | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm guessing it's a hovertank. | 14:32 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders finishing off his design sketch of a hoverboard. | 14:33 | |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: intel nas | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | hackable, too | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | serial port joy :) | 14:34 |
| woglinde | hm nas | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | and kinda cheap | 14:35 |
| zaheerm | is there a download manager dbus service i can just call in maemo? | 14:35 |
| lardman | while we're talking about input, does anyone want to look at why flite won't output directly to the speakers? | 14:36 |
| lardman | well flite is output of course, but pocketsphinx also works and that's input ;) | 14:36 |
| woglinde | lardman gstreamer problem? | 14:36 |
| lardman | not gstreamer, though I should try building that element, it uses alsa | 14:36 |
| woglinde | lardman wouldnt it be saner to let it uses gstreamer? | 14:37 |
| _|Nix|_ | *sigh* ... is there nobody who can make me the maintainer of pidgin? I've already uploaded, like 4 versions of it, but I can't promote it to extras-testing because I'm not the maintainer. I'm not the maintainer because somebody named "Jonny Lamb" uploaded a different version earlier. Probably the one from Diablo. | 14:37 |
| lardman | woglinde: sure, but the gstreamer plugin is separate, and I was just trying to test my flite build | 14:38 |
| wjt | Presumably Jonny could | 14:38 |
| wjt | you could email him <jonny.lamb@collabora.co.uk> or message him (he's jonnylamb on IRC) | 14:38 |
| woglinde | nix there should be an email | 14:38 |
| woglinde | write to him | 14:38 |
| _|Nix|_ | Oh, OK. | 14:38 |
| woglinde | hm | 14:38 |
| woglinde | wjt hm let me check whats the debian package is | 14:38 |
| wjt | or you could talk to him on XMPP (using his email address as his JID) | 14:38 |
| woglinde | ah okay | 14:39 |
| woglinde | ari is debian maintainer | 14:39 |
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| Jaffa | _|Nix|_: have you clicked the "Request to be made a maintainer" in the packages/ page? | 14:40 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Jaffa: I have. | 14:42 |
| _|Nix|_ | Jaffa: At least, the button is not there anymore. | 14:42 |
| Jaffa | _|Nix|_: OK, so an email asking him to follow up on that seems sensible; escalating it to -developers if you think you need to break the process as the maintainer is uncontactable. | 14:43 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Jaffa: Well, I've /msg-ed him now. | 14:43 |
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| dmj726 | grr...cannot join #maemo from maemo | 14:44 |
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| lardman | ? | 14:45 |
| tigert | from maemo? | 14:45 |
| dmj726 | the conversations app won't let me join a channel | 14:45 |
| tigert | you mean the device? | 14:45 |
| tigert | oh, the telepathy irc plugin? | 14:46 |
| dmj726 | yeah (maemo 5 in scratchbox | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | Maemo 5 "Conversations" has no support for multi-user chat in the UI | 14:46 |
| dmj726 | yes | 14:46 |
| tigert | yea, there is no group chat in the chat app | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | dmj726: Use irssi in X Terminal or an IRC client such as X-Chat | 14:46 |
| dmj726 | hopefully it can be added somehow. | 14:46 |
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| lardman | dmj726: +1 | 14:46 |
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| dmj726 | lack of group chat, otr, and default inclusion of more im protocols are the only weaknesses of the conversations app. | 14:47 |
| lardman | I'm not sure the protocols can be included | 14:48 |
| lardman | legally | 14:48 |
| lardman | or at least that was my understanding, hazy though | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | woglinde: what's the basic audio system of maemo anyway? OSS (/dev/dsp)? Generic ALSA-devices? some special maemo-proprietary? | 14:48 |
| lardman | pulseaudio | 14:48 |
| zaheerm | DocScrutinizer, pulseaudio | 14:48 |
| zaheerm | DocScrutinizer, but you can use alsa and it will use pulse's alsa emulation | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, never knew PA has generic soundcard drivers | 14:49 |
| zaheerm | well maemo has multiple audio out possibilities | 14:49 |
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| zaheerm | bluetooth audio as well as internal speakers and headphones | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 14:50 |
| Jaffa | dmj726: Also, having the extra protocols external means not having to wait for Nokia to ship an update if the format changes. | 14:50 |
| zaheerm | plus mixing requirements etc. from different apps | 14:50 |
| zaheerm | so pulseaudio is the lowest level layer that should be used | 14:51 |
| zaheerm | the alsa implementation is above pulseaudio in the stack | 14:51 |
| zerojay | lardman: "hazy" is a perfect word for that since you need to install telepathy-haze.. ;) | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | zaheerm: I'm aware there are janus-adapters PA->ALSA, ALSA->PA, even OSS->ALSA | 14:52 |
| dmj726 | Jaffa: I see the point, but most users aren't going to find it and will assume they can't do aim, yahoo, msn, etc | 14:52 |
| zaheerm | dmj726, that's why these should be upgraded to extras and also maemo select | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | zaheerm: but I never seen a soundcard driver that's not based on ALSA - though I have to admit I didn't a thorough search | 14:53 |
| zaheerm | DocScrutinizer, the low level sound driver is an alsa driver | 14:53 |
| dmj726 | maemo select would be my vote | 14:53 |
| zaheerm | DocScrutinizer, just it is not usable on the device | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, ok. So that's what I expected, basically | 14:53 |
| zaheerm | DocScrutinizer, pulseaudio has control of the hw audio | 14:54 |
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| Jaffa | dmj726: Which is why the various account plugins currently in extras-testing need polishing and pushing into Extras | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | Or, "maemo.org Applications" as the next Maemo 5 version will call it. | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | zaheerm: thanks for the explanations :-) | 14:54 |
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| zaheerm | Jaffa, when will that naming happen? | 14:55 |
| dmj726 | they're not really extras, more like essentials | 14:55 |
| lopz | hi ;) | 14:55 |
| beatpanic | hi people | 14:56 |
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| beatpanic | one question: if I buy the n900 in america it will work with eurpoean carriers? | 14:57 |
| beatpanic | hope not to be offtopic | 14:57 |
| beatpanic | :) | 14:57 |
| dmj726 | it should. | 14:58 |
| dmj726 | It will have the same radios | 14:58 |
| beatpanic | very cool | 14:59 |
| beatpanic | I have doubts for power supply | 14:59 |
| beatpanic | also | 14:59 |
| tekojo | beatpanic, usb charging, works everywhere | 15:00 |
| beatpanic | tekojo, fantastic =) | 15:00 |
| beatpanic | ok I'm fine | 15:00 |
| beatpanic | thanks :) | 15:00 |
| tekojo | us naturally has a different charger as the wall plugs are different | 15:00 |
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| beatpanic | tekojo, yep | 15:00 |
| tigert | chargers usually are 110-240V pretty much everywhere, arent they? | 15:01 |
| zaheerm | the chargers are 110-240v | 15:01 |
| dmj726 | my eee pc charger works across the pond | 15:01 |
| zaheerm | but a micro-usb charger from europe should cost pennies | 15:01 |
| tekojo | yes, chargers are universal, if only travelling, bathrooms usually have universal wall plugs too :-) | 15:02 |
| Jaffa | zaheerm: According to qgil the December maintenance release will include "maemo.org Applications" enabled by default | 15:03 |
| zaheerm | Jaffa, enabled by default, awesome | 15:03 |
| dmj726 | cool | 15:03 |
| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3279#c10 | 15:04 |
| povbot | Bug 3279: Streamlining user access to the Extras repository | 15:04 |
| jeremiah_ | Stop being awesome Jaffa. | 15:06 |
| tigert | man | 15:06 |
| tigert | that asylum video is still making me wtf :D | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah_: Don't worry; I'm running out of awesomeness. I expect someone's leaching it from me. | 15:07 |
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| dmj726 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1438608&cid=30052710 | 15:08 |
| mikkov__ | tekojo: linux flashable image on its way? | 15:10 |
| zaheerm | "The 300 Nokia N900 devices we loaned in the Maemo Summit include software release from early October. This software cannot be updated with Nokia Software Update (NSU) even if NSU identifies the software we are shipping now i.e. 42-11. This is due to updates in the lower software stack in the pre-production models. People would need to use a special software that is able to update the lower stacks of the software of the devices. We are cu | 15:10 |
| zaheerm | rrently investigating whether and how we can enable this." | 15:10 |
| mikkov__ | n900 firmware that is | 15:10 |
| ccooke | zaheerm: ... eek. | 15:10 |
| Jaffa | zaheerm: Erk | 15:10 |
| ccooke | If that's the case, I might be returning this handset sooner than planned :-/ | 15:11 |
| zaheerm | that is from Peter@Maemo | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | zaheerm: Let me guess, this is somewhere in the pits of despair and villainy that is tmo? | 15:11 |
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| zaheerm | Jaffa, yah http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372295&postcount=17 | 15:11 |
| dmj726 | interesting that n900 gets mentioned in th slashdot comments | 15:12 |
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| tekojo | mikkov_ coming, coming. Just a bit of patience more | 15:12 |
| auenf | if 42-11 would flash onto a n810 | 15:12 |
| auenf | err, if only | 15:12 |
| jeremiah_ | Hopefully that is not the case with the developer program N900s | 15:12 |
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| jeremiah_ | And one has to send the N900s from the summit back anyway, so this is not that big a deal. | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | mgedmin: Hi :) | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | hi! | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | Do you have logs from yesterday's QA meeting? | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | =] | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | I should | 15:13 |
| mgedmin | lemmesee | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | cool beans. | 15:13 |
| jeremiah_ | I failed to get irssi to log it. :/ | 15:13 |
| tekojo | zaheerm I think that test translates roughly to : you need to use the flashing tool, not NSU | 15:14 |
| tekojo | s/test/text | 15:14 |
| zaheerm | tekojo, ok, the "whether" part is the bit that troubled me :) | 15:14 |
| mgedmin | jeremiah_, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog | 15:15 |
| jeremiah_ | mgedmin: Thank you! | 15:15 |
| tekojo | zaheerm funny choise of wording, I agree | 15:15 |
| zaheerm | tekojo, :) ok i guess from your comments its a matter of time and not if it will happen | 15:16 |
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| tekojo | zaheerm yes it will happen, and the time frame isn't hopefully too long either | 15:18 |
| tekojo | morning stemosco! | 15:18 |
| zaheerm | tekojo, great | 15:21 |
| ccooke | tekojo: that's a relief! | 15:22 |
| * ccooke was worried for a while that his wife would have a prime opportunity to get back at him for getting the tablet first ;-) | 15:23 | |
| tekojo | no, just a question of how to do things, not a question of whether to do things | 15:23 |
| * dmj726 suspects his mum has her eye on an n900 | 15:24 | |
| ccooke | (I am so looking forward to her tablet arriving (hopefully next week)... she keeps stealing mine) | 15:24 |
| zaheerm | ccooke, luckily my wife has her own...though i can iomagine our bill to be a lot come april when we have to send ours back | 15:25 |
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| Jaffa | tekojo: eMMC changes which need to be flashed? | 15:28 |
| tekojo | Jaffa ... let me check that one | 15:28 |
| ccooke | zaheerm: ah, you were both at the summit? | 15:29 |
| Jaffa | Most immediate thing which springs to my mind if NSU can't handle the update | 15:29 |
| zaheerm | ccooke, yep | 15:29 |
| mgedmin | any news on the n900 firmware image? | 15:29 |
| ccooke | zaheerm: very nice. | 15:29 |
| alterego | Does M5 not use an evolution backend? | 15:29 |
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| ccooke | mgedmin: read up, we're just talking about it. | 15:29 |
| tekojo | Jaffa no that's not it. Actually the emmc should be fine | 15:29 |
| Jaffa | alterego: For what? It uses Evolution for contacts, calendar, ... | 15:29 |
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| Jaffa | tekojo: Oh, interesting. | 15:29 |
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| alterego | Jaffa, that's what I thought, just couldn't see it in the API reference. | 15:29 |
| zaheerm | mgedmin, <tekojo> zaheerm yes it will happen, and the time frame isn't hopefully too long either | 15:29 |
| tekojo | Jaffa the user guide may be outdated, but that doesn't matter | 15:30 |
| mgedmin | okay, so not yet | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | alterego: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API#Evolution_Data_Server | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | tekojo: I've never read it ;-) | 15:30 |
| alterego | Oh, found it :) | 15:30 |
| alterego | Heh, yeah, was being blind | 15:30 |
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| tekojo | Jaffa, I usually delete it as a last resort when I run out of space | 15:30 |
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| ccooke | zaheerm: My wife was due a phone upgrade, so I grabber her one through mobilephonesdirect.co.uk. Given she already had a reasonably high-cost contract, it's only going to cost us another £5 a month :-) | 15:31 |
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| alterego | What's the relationship between evolution and "calendar-backend" ? | 15:31 |
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| zaheerm | ccooke, my upgrade was due in february, so i switched to a simplicty one month at a time contract...hers has 6 months to go | 15:32 |
| cosmo | btw is there something special needed to make app icon to be displayed in fremantle? i've got a 26*26 png and it's set in .desktop file | 15:32 |
| alterego | SVG! :P | 15:32 |
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| cosmo | but only the blue default icon is displayed | 15:32 |
| zaheerm | cosmo: in app menu or in app manager? | 15:33 |
| cosmo | menu | 15:33 |
| zaheerm | where did you put the png? | 15:33 |
| tigert | hmm | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | cosmo: 26x26 icons aren't used in the menu | 15:34 |
| tigert | so how the heck does this conboy sync stuff work in conboy unstable? | 15:34 |
| tigert | or does it? | 15:34 |
| cosmo | zaheerm: /usr/share/icons/app/ | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | cosmo: They're 64 (or 48). There also is a bug whereby they don't seem to show up immediately (sometimes only after installing another app, IME) | 15:34 |
| tigert | there is just this url field and authenticate button, what does it expect? webdav? what? eh? | 15:34 |
| mgedmin | a Snowy server maybe? | 15:35 |
| * mgedmin no clue | 15:35 | |
| mgedmin | http://live.gnome.org/Snowy | 15:36 |
| beatpanic | n900 has a digital compass? | 15:36 |
| Corsac | don't think so | 15:36 |
| beatpanic | ok | 15:37 |
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| cosmo | Jaffa: is this documented anywhere? or should i just resize it to 64*64? | 15:37 |
| lardman|home | does anyone know if geoclue builds for Fremantle? | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | cosmo: icon sizes for menu is documented, yes ;-) | 15:38 |
| * lardman|home needs some geolocation services | 15:38 | |
| thp | lardman|home: tried cityinfo already? | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: network/ip based or? | 15:39 |
| thp | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/cityinfo/ | 15:39 |
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| lardman|home | thp: cityinfo it just for the stuff on the map app | 15:39 |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: yeah, web lookups | 15:39 |
| thp | lardman|home: ah, ok. ignore that reply e-mail i sent some minutes ago, then ;) | 15:40 |
| lardman|home | I need to translate from the @ Bath message string on the end of my contact, to a lat/lon | 15:40 |
| lardman|home | np :) | 15:40 |
| lardman|home | thp: perhaps it will encourage someone in the bowels of maemo sw to reply ;) | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: have you looked at maxmind? | 15:41 |
| thp | wouldn't it work to lookup "Bath" in cityinfo and get its lat/long coordinates from the DB there? according to the docs, it should.. | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: http://www.maxmind.com/app/api | 15:42 |
| lardman|home | thp: I don't think Bath is in the db | 15:42 |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: looking | 15:42 |
| lardman|home | thp: Nokia must do the reverse somehow, shame they can't just chuck us the raw lat/lon, save this lookup stage | 15:42 |
| nomis | ok, I just got confirmation from the DDP people. They can only ship the QWERTY-Models of the N900 :-/ | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | why would you want anything else than qwerty? | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | dvorak is overrated :P And azerty is shamefully bad | 15:43 |
| mgedmin_ | cool, a kernel panic :/ | 15:43 |
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| nomis | crashanddie: I want the german layout (QWERTZ) | 15:44 |
| nomis | crashanddie: and the Umlauts. | 15:44 |
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| lardman|home | crashanddie: ah, I see what you mean by IP now | 15:44 |
| thp | lardman|home: you could capture the network traffic and see if nokia uses a web-based geocoding service. if not, the db should be on the device somewhere, and that'd probably be the best way to do the reverse lookup (as the strings are really the same then ;) | 15:44 |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: no, I want to get lat/lon from a city name | 15:44 |
| kalikiana | nomis, you can type umlauts via fn - sym - tap - letter | 15:45 |
| lardman|home | thp: true, was just hoping for an api rather than having to reverse engineer things | 15:45 |
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| kalikiana | even on the international keyboard | 15:45 |
| _marcell_ | lardman|home: libcityinfo-dev? | 15:45 |
| lardman|home | thp: and they go the other way, lat/lon from GPS to city name | 15:46 |
| lardman|home | _marcell_: only handles the db of cities in the world time app | 15:46 |
| kalikiana | (I would love to see a quicker shortcut, though, I admit) | 15:46 |
| lardman|home | afaiu | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: http://www.batchgeocode.com/lookup/ | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: with a bit of curl you could probably trim it down to exactly what you want | 15:47 |
| lardman|home | I'd prefer to skip the parsing step altogether | 15:47 |
| lardman|home | otherwise there's also google and geonames | 15:48 |
| thp | lardman|home: http://www.geonames.org/ would be the next suggestion | 15:48 |
| _marcell_ | lardman|home: but you can use the same info. loop through the cities in cityinfo lib and when you find the one you want get the lat/lon coordinates | 15:48 |
| nomis | kalikiana: yeah, I also have no doubt that I can somehow manage to remap the keyboard. But it would be nicer to have the correct symbols printed on the kezboard. | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | _marcell_: what if the city is not in there? | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | _marcell_: or do the city names used in the messenger app come from the same db? | 15:48 |
| _marcell_ | lardman|home: then it does not exist. :) | 15:48 |
| lardman|home | :D | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: geopy works with geonames | 15:48 |
| nomis | but then I won't complain, the printed symbols don't justify spending a lot of money more :) | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | http://code.google.com/p/geopy/ | 15:49 |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: yeah, I'll probably have to go that way, might do me some good to do some web thingies | 15:49 |
| _marcell_ | lardman|home: I guess that the messenger is using some kind of a network service | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: geopy wraps around the websites | 15:49 |
| lardman|home | _marcell_: yeah, and it goes the other way anyway | 15:49 |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: C! | 15:49 |
| kalikiana | nomis, I personally rather use hotkeys than to sacrifice the arrows :-] | 15:50 |
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| crashanddie | lardman|home: you're never happy! | 15:50 |
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| crashanddie | lardman|home: just do the web parsing, it'll be fast, dun't worry | 15:50 |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: just trying to avoid learning stuff I don't need :) | 15:50 |
| _marcell_ | how about http://www.geonames.org then? | 15:51 |
| lardman|home | yeah, still have to learn to use librest though | 15:51 |
| lardman|home | but that's what I'm doing now | 15:52 |
| nomis | kalikiana: oh, are these the alternatives? Then indeed, arrow keys seem important... :) | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: or just use GMaps API... Pretty sure there's a C extension for that | 15:52 |
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| crashanddie | lardman|home: actually, using the Google API is such a manner is against the TOU | 15:53 |
| * lbt has solved the SSU update problem.... we arrange per-country "SSU update parties" and Nokia ships us any needed flashing tools !!! (+ beer) | 15:53 | |
| lardman|home | crashanddie: yeah, so I read | 15:54 |
| lardman|home | lbt: ideal | 15:54 |
| lbt | (or Skype coctails) | 15:54 |
| lardman|home | lbt: what about Nokia ship us all to an update party, in, say Australia, and supplies beer too? | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: yay for Queensland hillbillies! | 15:55 |
| * lbt thought that first... but this idea may actually happen | 15:55 | |
| lardman|home | lol | 15:55 |
| lardman|home | yeah | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: I only agree if it's in Perth or Melbourne | 15:55 |
| * toggles_w votes Perth | 15:55 | |
| mgedmin | it may be interesting to visit Australia, but I hate to think about the duration of the flight | 15:55 |
| lardman|home | Perth, don't want the snow | 15:55 |
| lardman|home | mgedmin: after that, everything else is short | 15:56 |
| lardman|home | mgedmin: West coast USA, no worries | 15:56 |
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| derf | Yeah, from LA or SF it's _only_ 12 hours to Sydney. | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | I've just come back from LA | 15:56 |
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| mgedmin | Amsterdam to SF was kinda okayish, except for the immigration queues | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | So basically: SF/Bay Area, Perth or Durban | 15:57 |
| wazd | Reheya all) | 15:58 |
| lardman|home | get shot in Durbam | 15:58 |
| lardman|home | Durban | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | I can get a 4 bedroom house for $200 pw | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | in Mountain view | 15:58 |
| lardman|home | ok, accommodation & drinks on crashanddie | 15:58 |
| lardman|home | ! | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | sod it, if I'm getting the accomodation, you guys better pay up the equivalent in drinks | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | which in santana row is probably 2 rounds and you're at $200 | 15:59 |
| lardman|home | hmm, not ideal | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | I'm exagerating | 15:59 |
| lardman|home | tho the £ is climbing against the $ ;) | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | but in Mountain view on halloween evening, 5 vodkas was $50 (including tip for a very hot waitress, and slutty too) | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | I still have the receipt with her lipstick on it | 16:00 |
| lardman|home | s/tip for/? | 16:00 |
| wazd | That's nice =) | 16:00 |
| Lynoure | crashanddie: 2 rounds to all people here for $200 total is cheap :) | 16:01 |
| lardman|home | wow, 420 of us atm | 16:01 |
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| * lbt orders a martini | 16:01 | |
| crashanddie | Lynoure: 23 cents a drink, nice | 16:01 |
| lbt | 2 kissed olives from the hot waitress please | 16:02 |
| Lynoure | crashanddie: sounds like homebrew wine :) | 16:02 |
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| lardman|home | ok, so the geonames stuff was pretty easy with librest, as I had an almost complete example to work from | 16:07 |
| cosmo | holy shit.. got error "malformed database schema - unable to open temporary database file for storing temporary" error dialog when installing a deb package | 16:08 |
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| cosmo | ah, no space left on device | 16:11 |
| tigert | yeah, that generates interesting errors on different apps | 16:13 |
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| tigert | also broken filesystem -> mount readonly does fun things :P | 16:13 |
| tarek_ | Is it possible to install application on the external space rather that the only 1 gb meant for them?? | 16:14 |
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| Jaffa | tarek_: Not really. Repartition if you want, but you're not going to use up the 2GB /home partition with any app in Extras | 16:18 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone tried SyncEvolution on Maemo 5 with the built-in Calendar? | 16:26 |
| zaheerm | it would be nice if we could just use the eds gdata backend | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | That's true | 16:28 |
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| zaheerm | then no need for an extra app | 16:28 |
| * Jaffa has multiple Google Calendars and *really* wants to see them in Calendar | 16:28 | |
| zaheerm | same here! | 16:28 |
| zaheerm | i have other fry to kill unfortunately | 16:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I don't do -users. ;) | 16:29 |
| zaheerm | i have about 20 gcals | 16:29 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Off-topic for -developers, though :0 | 16:29 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: it's on the list.... not impressed by missing syncML / IP though | 16:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | I could probably make a case for it. ;) | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | lbt: which list? | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | timeless hinted that there were some strings he'd translated which seemed relevant | 16:31 |
| lbt | my "make the N900 useful" list | 16:31 |
| Jaffa | lbt: ah | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | :) | 16:31 |
| lbt | local egroupware integration | 16:31 |
| lbt | via some kind of caldav | 16:31 |
| lbt | or similar | 16:31 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, calendar url support? | 16:31 |
| lbt | also LDAP integration would be nice for contacts | 16:31 |
| zaheerm | i have a premium goosync account i used on my e71 for gcal sync | 16:32 |
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| zaheerm | supported syncml over ip, so yes even that is not possible yet on the n900 | 16:32 |
| lbt | no | 16:32 |
| lbt | :( | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: ldap would require actually pulling in ldap | 16:32 |
| zaheerm | but i'd rather get native gcal support in eds into the n900 | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i think there might be rumors of plans for that actually | 16:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's hardly something one could call 'trivial' | 16:33 |
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| Ceron^ | i HATE n900 | 16:33 |
| * Ceron^ runs away | 16:33 | |
| * lbt is ambivalent about google data storage | 16:33 | |
| * lbt 100% agrees with !Ceron^ | 16:34 | |
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| lardman|home | voice activated dialing :) | 16:34 |
| Seb | hi everyone | 16:34 |
| lardman|home | and sms announcements | 16:34 |
| Ceron^ | still not one navigation program that would be made for n900 except for ma-emo mapper and ovi mapfail | 16:34 |
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| Seb | is fremantle installable on a n800 ? | 16:34 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, rumours of plans for gdata eds backend? | 16:34 |
| lardman|home | Ceron^: emerillon? | 16:34 |
| lbt | Seb almost | 16:34 |
| lbt | see Mer | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: sorry, i don't spend that much time talking to them :) | 16:35 |
| Ceron^ | lardman|home: was is that? | 16:35 |
| lardman|home | Ceron^: a mapping program.... | 16:35 |
| Seb | lbt: "Mer" ? :) | 16:35 |
| Jaffa | Seb: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 16:35 |
| Seb | ah | 16:35 |
| * lbt looks at topic... | 16:35 | |
| Seb | lbt: did I miss it in there ? | 16:36 |
| lbt | my point exactly :( | 16:36 |
| Seb | oh | 16:36 |
| Seb | heh | 16:36 |
| zaheerm | yah someone should remove the QA meeting from topic | 16:36 |
| lbt | (took you long enough to ask ;) ) | 16:36 |
| Seb | lbt, Jaffa: thank you guys | 16:36 |
| Seb | lbt: hah | 16:36 |
| lbt | Seb there is #mer too | 16:37 |
| lardman|home | Ceron^: qwerty and I are in the process of hildonising it, and at this very moment I'm finishing (I hope) writing a plugin to show N900 contacts on the map | 16:37 |
| zaheerm | lardman|home, cool, i guess doing the photos on phone on the map wouldn't be too difficult if you almost done the n900 contacts | 16:38 |
| Seb | lbt: yeah just saw that on the wiki page | 16:38 |
| lardman|home | zaheerm: yep, that's my next plugin, though actually I think someone has already done that one in vala | 16:38 |
| lardman|home | but I've not got vala working for emerillon in fremantle | 16:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: hrm | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i had a question for you :) | 16:41 |
| Seb | while I'm here, what's a good way to search for maemo packages online ? | 16:41 |
| * Stskeeps passes qwerty12 a cookie for no reason | 16:41 | |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12: right... | 16:41 |
| Seb | i mean packages that may not be in my n800's list of repositories yet; like some sort of website aggregating many repositories contents maybe ? | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i get a dialog with two buttons of my choice using zenity? | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i want something like the nokia restart dialogs | 16:42 |
| lbt | Seb: there is only really one repository nowadays | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | Seb: There's one at gronmayer.com - however, anything useful is now in Extras or Extras-devel. There's been a big push by the community to consolidate them | 16:42 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Thanks :) | 16:42 |
| qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: I actually have no idea... | 16:42 |
| lbt | garage is a good place to start | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: extras, extras-testing, extras-devel | 16:42 |
| Seb | lbt, Jaffa: oh, that's nice | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | you should advertise testing :) | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: He said N800 :-p | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | bah | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | lbt: I'd quibble with that statement ;-) | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | for consistency sake, we should have testing there too | 16:43 |
| lbt | fine, quibble then. I'll watch ;) | 16:43 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: In fact, I'd probably have some level of quibblement with any statement starting "garage is a good place..." ;-) | 16:44 |
| Seb | k, i already have devel and devel-extras, so I'll take it there's simply no zsh then :) | 16:44 |
| * lbt prepares to watch Jaffa quibbling... | 16:44 | |
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| * lbt does think you have a teeny point | 16:44 | |
| ShadowJK | lol @ youtube comment "if autism was a mobile device... Interesting..um.. um.. " | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, so there is touch area outside the n900 screen? | 16:44 |
| lbt | ooh, really? | 16:45 |
| kalikiana | that's called the "case" | 16:45 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, yes | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | like on left side | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | does it exist on right side? | 16:45 |
| mikhas | there is a small area left and right | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 16:45 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: you can tell when doing the browser stroke from right to left for history | 16:46 |
| lbt | not used for, eg, "click outside to go back" | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 16:46 |
| lcuk | thats not outside the area | 16:46 |
| lcuk | thats jsut a gesture starting from x=0 surely | 16:46 |
| cehteh | some hidden button areas would be cool | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | i am quite sure its outside screen area | 16:46 |
| lcuk | the only "outside" screen input ive seen is the novel use of the proximity sensor | 16:46 |
| lbt | *nod* | 16:47 |
| lcuk | which lib supplies input? | 16:47 |
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| lbt | can we tell from any calibration ? | 16:47 |
| lcuk | can tell cos it would be really simple to do the same with standard code | 16:47 |
| lcuk | and standard x stuff | 16:47 |
| lbt | do we get mouse events (<0, <0) | 16:47 |
| cehteh | is touch input a event device similar to a notebook synaptics ? | 16:47 |
| cehteh | lbt: the mouse events are certainly filtered .. but you may get more raw events somewhere | 16:48 |
| lbt | cehteh: more like Wacom tablet | 16:48 |
| cehteh | for a synaptics touchpad (which is capacitative) you could even implement proximity sensing | 16:49 |
| cehteh | some notice fingers as far as 1-2 cm away | 16:49 |
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| * GeneralAntilles head -> desk. | 16:55 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3307 | 16:55 |
| povbot | Bug 3307: "maemo Extras" in Application manager should be "Extras" | 16:55 |
| frals | oh just read that extras will get enabled by default in first maintenance release, thats pretty good i guess | 16:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except for they've randomly and arbitrarily decided to change the name . . . again. | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ran into 'not enough memory in target location' in web save file? on n900 | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | internal, not ext | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | not really | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | there is plenty of space, so | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | do you have strace/ is it reproducable? | 16:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | s/able/ible/ | 17:00 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: do you have strace/ is it reproducible? | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | something is wrong here.. xterm doesnt show menu | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | now, *that* happens to me often :) | 17:00 |
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| tekojo | GeneralAntilles imagine seeing a repository for the first time in your life. Which one means more extras or applications | 17:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Problem is, these people are all going to see "Extras" on the internet and have trouble connecting the two. | 17:11 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you suggested that name though! | 17:11 |
| kalikiana | tekonivel, both are equally descriptive. the only issue is that one of them doesn't relate to its actual name/ url at all | 17:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I didn't suggest "http://maemo.org Applications" :) | 17:11 |
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| kalikiana | anything with .org is what will look odd to ordinary people | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should just be "Extras". | 17:12 |
| lcuk | there is http before it? | 17:12 |
| kalikiana | it's like branding the device "N900.com" | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm not doing another one of these with you. | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just read the bug. | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | i did, the fix in the description reads like you asked them too ("Win!") | 17:13 |
| lcuk | but you just said there was a http:// before it | 17:13 |
| kalikiana | lcuk is just trying to let the frustration out on someone :P | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | kalikiana, http://OpenOffice.org manages OK. | 17:13 |
| kalikiana | GeneralAntilles, that's just as silly. no mortal understands what that is supposed to be | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, read the bug again, because either you're that clueless or you're baiting me. | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | kalikiana, anyway, the .org is a separate issue. | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The issue here is Nokia inventing new names for something (again). | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | When they already have a perfectly workable one. | 17:14 |
| lardman | re | 17:14 |
| kalikiana | If it's decided the discussion is probably moot anyway, we don't even know who particularly decided it | 17:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kalikiana, always the problem with Nokia's supposedly "open" development. | 17:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "Let's just do this and we'll tell the people investing a lot of time and effort trying to help once it's been decided." | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then they get irritated when we react badly. | 17:15 |
| kalikiana | GeneralAntilles, I tend to think some of Nokia is open, some is not. And if one from the wrong group gets his feet on the ground that's what happens | 17:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kalikiana, it's all those goddamn S60 people in Maemo Devices. | 17:16 |
| kalikiana | :P | 17:16 |
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| * GAN900 is just tired of wasting his time. | 17:17 | |
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| mgedmin | Stskeeps, xterm not showing menu -- bug 6096? | 17:18 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6096 xterm: "Empty" app menu with invisible buttons | 17:18 |
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| andre__ | oh, hi povbot. | 17:18 |
| * RST38h sighs and orders an N900 | 17:18 | |
| * javispedro congratules RST38h in his decision while still not doing it :) | 17:18 | |
| qwerty12 | andre__: povbot is slated to be your replacement | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Wait, I am not doing it too: when FN sees my Irish proxy it asks for euros | 17:19 |
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| javispedro | :( | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Half the answers these days seem to be, "We've come up with a solution internally that has little or nothing to do with the proposed solution and we're not going to tell you what it is, hope you like it." | 17:19 |
| andre__ | qwerty12, that's cool! i'll go and grab a beer then | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | actually, it would make more sense for infobot to do the informative bug announcements | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | it's also supybot, right? | 17:20 |
| qwerty12 | andre__: hehe | 17:20 |
| andre__ | GAN900, not refering to bug 3307, eh? :-P | 17:20 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3307 "maemo Extras" in Application manager should be "Extras" | 17:20 |
| * andre__ pets povbot | 17:20 | |
| andre__ | mgedmin, that would be really noisy. in a different channel maybe. | 17:20 |
| javispedro | #maemo-chatbos | 17:20 |
| mgedmin | andre__, I mean the kind of bug number -> bug title thing that povbot does now | 17:20 |
| javispedro | #maemo-chatbots | 17:20 |
| RST38h | javis: Why not though? | 17:21 |
| andre__ | yeah. gimpnet also has a #bzbot channel for the noise. | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | not announcements that bug #### changed target from UNSET to 5.0+ | 17:21 |
| andre__ | ah, okay :) | 17:21 |
| mgedmin | everybody knows and loves infobot already; povbot is just something with a weird name | 17:22 |
| javispedro | RST38h: DDP? I am waiting for someone to confirm they're shipping and not just "reserving" money. | 17:22 |
| javispedro | mgedmin: fuse them into "infovbot" | 17:22 |
| RST38h | Default shipping information at FN says "Afghanistan" | 17:23 |
| GiantTalkingCow | How about "pinfovbot" instead? | 17:23 |
| mgedmin | javispedro, I still haven't received the promised DDP email saying the N900 is available for ordering, even though I've ordered mine yesterday | 17:23 |
| RST38h | javis: Does not matter, they will ship | 17:23 |
| javispedro | I am not a fan of preordering, you see... | 17:23 |
| javispedro | shipping from afghanistan with DHL? | 17:23 |
| GiantTalkingCow | Nor am I. I don't buy anything that I can't get my hands on in a store at some point or other. | 17:24 |
| RST38h | javis: If they delay by 2 weeks, will it make it preorder? =) | 17:24 |
| RST38h | javis: Maybe shipping TO Afghanistan with NATO? =)( | 17:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: definitely. and will make me lose a lot of hair while waiting for a customs notice | 17:24 |
| RST38h | javis: true | 17:25 |
| * RST38h is shipping to US though, now just need to find someone to take it here | 17:25 | |
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| javispedro | but either way I _require_ a ogl es capable hardware. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | and since "our TI contact" is Missing in Action at best... | 17:27 |
| javispedro | I wonder if he's on holiday for a month too. | 17:29 |
| GAN900 | Engadget doesn't even try to hide how much they hate Nokia anymore. | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | so, the promised semi-open-source driver for the N8x0 never materialized, javispedro? | 17:29 |
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| javispedro | GAN900: when engadget reviews the n900 remember to link to it in this channel's topic :) | 17:30 |
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| javispedro | mgedmin: never materialized, doesn't answer to emails | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | ohgod | 17:30 |
| mgedmin | somehow I'm not surprised :/ | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | Now I'm "Ralph" | 17:31 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | Engadget hates lots of stuff: if I'm gonna check out a website for a decent smartphone review, it'll likely be Ars Technica. | 17:31 |
| * javispedro can't wait for engadget's n900 perfectly unbiased review. will my stomach be able to handle it? | 17:32 | |
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| penguinbait | damn it I am seeing giant talking cows again. things that make you go moo | 17:32 |
| frals_ | :D | 17:32 |
| javispedro | moo penguinbait | 17:32 |
| javispedro | moooooooo | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: can you blame engadget? | 17:33 |
| Synergy6 | Which repository would I need for libgcc1, libdbus etc? | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, yes. | 17:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | Synergy6: what are you trying to do? | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | are you in a scratchbox? | 17:34 |
| GiantTalkingCow | I find Gizmodo better than Engadget, most of the time. Engadget's just a little too iPhone-fanboyish, imo. | 17:36 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, uhm. who's that TI guy? sounds like it could need some escalation... | 17:36 |
| Synergy6 | claws-mail (for example) can't install because it needs libgcc1 >4.2.1 | 17:36 |
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| mgedmin | maybe his corporate overseeres discovered his suspicious leanings toward openness and quietly disappeared him? | 17:36 |
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| javispedro | andre__, mgedmin: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=360683#post360683 | 17:37 |
| RST38h | javis: I am sure it will be titled "Why N900 is no iPhone" | 17:38 |
| RST38h | javis: Thick, heavy, NOT SHINY, NO MMS! | 17:38 |
| qwerty12 | RST38h: You're forgetting "not made by Apple" | 17:39 |
| javispedro | no apple sticker! | 17:39 |
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| * andre__ still doesn't get why people use MMS. it's like using pagers in the 90es. different culture it seems | 17:39 | |
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| Synergy6 | So why did they like the Droid? | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | andre__, last time I tried to use MMS, it failed; debugging was beyond my ken | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | broken tech teaches people to avoid it | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | the prices at the time were also frivolous | 17:40 |
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| * lardman hopes he won't have to resurrect his disassembler and set it to work on pvr.ko again | 17:40 | |
| frals_ | Andre__: instant(ish) sharing with people without a dataplan on their phone ;) | 17:41 |
| * mgedmin wonders if brokenpromises.org is registered | 17:41 | |
| lardman | well you never know, he might have bird flu or something | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | brokenpromises.org is a parked domain | 17:42 |
| penguinbait | are people who use MER Merfolk? | 17:42 |
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| zaheerm | andre__, because some people don't have email or data on their phone yet want to send a picture | 17:43 |
| andre__ | penguinbait, I'd call them merried. | 17:43 |
| andre__ | hmm. never felt any need to use mms | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: mermen and mermaids. | 17:43 |
| kalikiana | no, they just eat seabass all day | 17:44 |
| zaheerm | my mum uses mms | 17:44 |
| penguinbait | mermen and mermaids are merfolk ;) | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | ...and s/MER/Mer/ | 17:44 |
| zaheerm | even though she has an iphone and can email with it | 17:44 |
| andre__ | heh. my parents don't use mobile phones or computers | 17:44 |
| qwerty12 | andre__: Do they still have a rotary dial phone? =) | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I still wonder where the all-caps version came from. | 17:45 |
| penguinbait | Its was me GA, I just typed it | 17:46 |
| andre__ | qwerty12, not anymore :) | 17:46 |
| qwerty12 | :) | 17:46 |
| penguinbait | Sorry I see three letters and assume all caps | 17:46 |
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| * Jaffa gets really bugged by JAVA (although that is valid when referring to Sun Microsystem's stock ticker symbol) | 17:46 | |
| qwerty12 | MER = Maemo EradicatoR | 17:47 |
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| derf | GeneralAntilles: People do the same thing to Ogg. It's just the way things go. | 17:47 |
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| penguinbait | I'll type MAEMO if it will annoy you | 17:49 |
| * mgedmin pries the capslock key off penguinbait's keyboard | 17:49 | |
| mgedmin | don't make me come for the shifts | 17:50 |
| kalikiana | Must Annoy Everyone Most Onomatopoetically | 17:50 |
| qwerty12 | penguinbait: Please... Don't come for the shifts | 17:50 |
| penguinbait | MaEmO | 17:50 |
| javispedro | MERMAIDS? | 17:51 |
| qwerty12 | That's Stskeeps | 17:51 |
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| penguinbait | My merfolk deck kicks ass | 17:51 |
| javispedro | Evil Mermaids | 17:51 |
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| javispedro | andre__: so yeah, if you could ping the TI guy... even if he's on holiday climbing the everest or the like (Mission Impossible style) ;) ... we would be very thankful :) | 17:54 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: If that doesn't work, we'll get the trusty bulldozer out ;) | 17:55 |
| javispedro | :) | 17:56 |
| andre__ | javispedro, i assume that Stskeeps did already | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | i did, no response, individuals are free to ask :P | 17:56 |
| javispedro | i did email him too, on friday. no response yet. | 17:57 |
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| javispedro | how come 300 people did not notice the hidden digital compass! | 18:04 |
| lardman | is there one? | 18:04 |
| javispedro | ah, the tmo conspiracies... | 18:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, we're just trying to keep you down. | 18:04 |
| penguinbait | They are all giant talking cows, mooooooo | 18:04 |
| dmj726 | is there one? | 18:04 |
| lardman | I was wondering how we would be able to notice it unless there was a kernel driver | 18:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles likes the thread-shit fragos took on the "Fixed in Fremantle" thread. | 18:04 | |
| javispedro | oh, I was nomited on that thread :) | 18:05 |
| javispedro | s/nomited/nominated | 18:05 |
| javispedro | I guess for having something fixing the FRIGGIN ORANGE COLORS in the SDK and boasting that around here MWAHA | 18:06 |
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| * Stskeeps passes javispedro a cookie for that | 18:10 | |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i've run into it on sw rendering too i think | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | what bug # was it? | 18:10 |
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| * javispedro looks up | 18:11 | |
| javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 | 18:11 |
| povbot | Bug 4870: Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK | 18:11 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: more like a workaround but if you're using a non ancient version of Mesa it will work. will be happy to hear if it works! :) | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:13 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: So there is one now? Pretend that not everyone is slavishly following tmo these days; and may have realised it was a timesink with more noise than signal. | 18:17 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa: no, there's no compass :) | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.softsailor.com/news/11565-nokia-n900-commercial-seriously-freaks-us-out-updated-with-great-ads.html | 18:18 |
| timeless_mbp | have people seen the second ad there? | 18:18 |
| javispedro | just someone who still wanted someone of the "300" (this sounds like a film now) to confirm it | 18:18 |
| derf | http://code.google.com/p/go/source/detail?r=4a3f6bbb5f0c6021279ccb3c23558b3c480d995f | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: if you want, i can give you a mer vmdk where you can try and see if you can get vmgl going? | 18:19 |
| MuJ | soft sailor.. sounds like a failure in life who went to server on boat :) | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | and then patch clutter | 18:19 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, yeah I have | 18:20 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: xorg version? | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: yeah | 18:20 |
| timeless_mbp | these other commercials are kinda nice | 18:20 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: I mean, which release? :) either way, point me and I'll try | 18:20 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, or do you mean if we've seen them non-internet? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.17testing2/mer-x86-generic-image-v0.17testing2.vmdk.zip | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | well, definitely let me know if you see one in the real world | 18:21 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't see anything in real world | 18:22 | |
| * Stskeeps tries to avoid watching tv. | 18:22 | |
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| Stskeeps | hulu, sure, but not much tv | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:22 |
| javispedro | timeless: these other commercials weren't made by Nokia AFAIU | 18:22 |
| javispedro | some contest iirc | 18:22 |
| timeless_mbp | that explains why they don't suck | 18:23 |
| javispedro | derf: reads like Java, and they even spelled O_CREATE fully! heretic language! | 18:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 18:26 |
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| * javispedro wonders if we'll see "5 years experience required with Go" | 18:27 | |
| lardman | that would be Gone | 18:29 |
| javispedro | "5 years of experience Gone" | 18:29 |
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| javispedro | and to add to the heresy, they even took sides in the tabs vs spaces holy war: | 18:30 |
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| javispedro | "We use tabs for indentation and gofmt emits them by default." | 18:30 |
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| mgedmin | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek! | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | what happened to "don't be evil"??? | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | tabs for indentation, omg | 18:31 |
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| javispedro | yes, they're evil. changing the decl_spec order from type_spec identifier to identifier type_spec is plain evil. | 18:33 |
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| Myrtti | TOTORO! | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | the movie? :P | 18:45 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: ouch, not mouse pointer in that VM? | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-shift-x | 18:57 |
| javispedro | ah, ta! | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: works and has connectivity? | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | yep | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | good, releasing then | 19:01 |
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| javispedro | lol | 19:02 |
| javispedro | :) | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't expect too much of it so :P | 19:03 |
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| _Lucretia_ | god, errors in mimetypes and the mention of "i've been haxored" fills me with confidence | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | in terms of/ | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | SDK? :P | 19:15 |
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| lbt | gconf ? | 19:16 |
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| javispedro | nokians are so evil haxors sometimes | 19:17 |
| kalikiana | what makes you say that? | 19:20 |
| kalikiana | oh, nevermind | 19:21 |
| javispedro | the gconf i've been haxored comments :) | 19:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | kalikiana: our comments are clear | 19:21 |
| timeless_mbp | we identify ourselves by our actions of haxoring | 19:22 |
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| kalikiana | hehe | 19:22 |
| thux | like virus makers when they said hello to gates | 19:23 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if some idiot used his nickname on forum nokia | 19:31 | |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: in the "PRO" forum? that'd be an evil way to get the discount... | 19:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles still needs to call the credit card company. | 19:33 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate Forum Nokia. | 19:33 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: i saw a "Manage my prototype loans" section in Forum Nokia Pro, so get used to it lol | 19:34 |
| RST38h | General: What happened with FN? | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | jeremiah: Here? | 19:36 |
| * Stskeeps gives up and tries another day. | 19:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, end-to-end the discount program really sucks. | 19:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Poor communication, poor process | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Designed for dealing | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The initial form was stupid | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The NDA is stupid | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The fact that you're dealing with a company overseas is stupid | 19:36 |
| RST38h | General: Well, as long as they ship the device and it works, I am fine | 19:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not having a warranty is stupid. | 19:36 |
| RST38h | General: Just remember N810 program with Nokia USA | 19:37 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 19:37 | |
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| * javispedro notes half his home address was deleted from the FN registration info | 19:38 | |
| mgedmin | at least _this_ DDP lets me specify a shipping address in Lithuania without rejecting me out of hand | 19:38 |
| javispedro | RST38h: btw, profile has "preferred currency" setting. | 19:39 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Even lets you specify an address in Afghanistan | 19:40 |
| RST38h | javis: I have USD there | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | javis: Too bad this "smart" site overrides it when I use a proxy in Ireland | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | javis: But it is still better than Nokia USA verifying my CC information via anal probe | 19:41 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: equivalent of af-sb-init.sh on Mer? I want to restart hildon-desktop and the rest of the gang with an external $DISPLAY | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, check what /etc/init.d/auto-startx does it | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | ah, uses xsession stuff | 19:49 |
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| javispedro | well, vmgl does work. to get proper alignment of stuff either using a patched xephyr or a patched Xvnc is needed. | 19:50 |
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| javispedro | note though that blurring does not work due to missing FBO ext | 19:51 |
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| derf | No FBO? | 19:53 |
| derf | Doesn't that make it kind of... useless? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | fbo? | 19:53 |
| derf | Framebuffer objects. | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | texture from pixmap? :P | 19:54 |
| derf | Needed for render-to-texture. | 19:54 |
| derf | Which in turn is needed for basically everything. | 19:54 |
| javispedro | derf: you'd be surprised to hear it's only used for blurring then | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: screenshots of how it then looks is probably interesting | 19:54 |
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| derf | javispedro: I'm mostly uninterested in actual graphics. | 19:55 |
| derf | I just want another processor. | 19:55 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: btw note that VMGL has nothing to do with the weird colors -- I guess you're interested in a screenshot of blue tear? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes, of course, but also about blurring | 19:57 |
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| javispedro | they're not related at all -- you don't have to use VMGL if you don't want hw accelerated 3D, and you'll get fine blurring then | 19:57 |
| _Lucretia_ | I've installed everything as per the doc, af-sb-init.sh doesn't exist | 19:57 |
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| aep | guys, do you have any idea if the US version of the n900 will work with EU frequencies? | 19:58 |
| javispedro | derf: well for the record the actual n900 hw does support FBOs (as theoretically does the N810' MBX from what I've read) | 19:59 |
| derf | javispedro: Ah! Okay, that's good news, at least. | 19:59 |
| javispedro | FBOs on OGL ES 1.1 is an optional extension but seems nearly everyone has it -- including the iphone "1g" | 19:59 |
| javispedro | FBOs are mandatory on 2.0 | 20:00 |
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| _Lucretia_ | the apt-get install osso-af-sb-startup line is missing from the howto | 20:00 |
| RST38h | Anyone responsible for maemo.org website management here? | 20:01 |
| * javispedro would like a way to be able to render to a FBO managed by hildon-desktop instead of the usual render to buffer -> get pixmap -> upload pixmap as texture -> ... | 20:01 | |
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| microlith | aep: N900 internals are the same in all regions iirc, only difference is the keyboard | 20:11 |
| aep | aye thanks | 20:11 |
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| dottedmag | microlith: keyboard hardware or just key captions? | 20:12 |
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| konttori | dottedmag: just key captions | 20:15 |
| dottedmag | konttori: thanks | 20:15 |
| * dottedmag is relieved | 20:16 | |
| * konttori is using finnish keyboard captions, but has switched to english layout so that the arrow keys would work | 20:16 | |
| dottedmag | Yeah. Same problem here - I wanted to get device from US just to avoid stupid Russian layout. | 20:16 |
| dottedmag | Looks like it's not necessary. | 20:16 |
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| aep | yeah thats my concern too :D | 20:17 |
| aep | i definatly need arrow keys, thats why i'm getting a US version | 20:17 |
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| mgedmin | I'm wondering about OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Netherlands' | 20:21 |
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| mgedmin | and OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us' | 20:21 |
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| mgedmin | these are stored somewhere (CAL?) and they probably affect something (no clue what) | 20:21 |
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| mgedmin | being unable to use wifi channel 12 would suck | 20:21 |
| _Lucretia_ | why am I getting this "sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" <<- I don't have any | 20:22 |
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| mgedmin | hm, look for background processes stuck somewhere? | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | happened to me once | 20:23 |
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| MarkBao | huh, I heard somewhere that Maemo 5 was based on Qt. | 20:26 |
| _Lucretia_ | KillAll in the sb-menu | 20:26 |
| pablo_ | GDB for armel.... Where I find this? | 20:26 |
| _Lucretia_ | still can't get the ui to work | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | MarkBao: you're thinking about m | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | 6 | 20:27 |
| _Lucretia_ | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 92: /usr/bin/hildon-input-method: No such file or directory | 20:27 |
| MarkBao | Stskeeps: m6? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | maemo 6 | 20:28 |
| MarkBao | ah, got it. | 20:28 |
| MarkBao | I'm looking to develop a small touch-screen mobile app to be deployed on a device. | 20:29 |
| MarkBao | sine Maemo seemed to be doing quite well with what they're working with, thought I'd look at what they're using | 20:29 |
| MarkBao | would you suggest that I use GTK+Hildon or Qt? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | both work on maemo 5 | 20:30 |
| ensi | MarkBao: Qt | 20:30 |
| MarkBao | ensi: thanks. any reason? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, qt for the long run and sanity | 20:30 |
| MarkBao | heh. | 20:30 |
| ensi | MarkBao: Maemo is moving onto Qt | 20:31 |
| cosmo | qt is easier & faster to develop on | 20:31 |
| ensi | and it works well | 20:31 |
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| ensi | and you can just use all the normal Qt tools to build your application | 20:31 |
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| _Lucretia_ | do these 2 packages (maemo-sdk-runtime nokia-binaries) need to be installed under both arm and x86 or just x86? | 20:31 |
| ensi | knocking up a GUI is very fast | 20:31 |
| MarkBao | ensi: yeah. that's what I'm thikning. though, it doesn't look very good for touch-screen UIs | 20:31 |
| ensi | _Lucretia_: both | 20:31 |
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| _Lucretia_ | ensi: thanks | 20:31 |
| ensi | MarkBao: what do you mean? | 20:31 |
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| ensi | MarkBao: some things you need to take into account, for example buttons and such | 20:32 |
| ensi | you have to use minimum sizes so they are larger on the ui | 20:32 |
| MarkBao | ensi: as in animations, the like. | 20:32 |
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| ensi | MarkBao: yeah not all things are yet there like stacked windows. I think this is coming in Qt 4.6 but is not yet available | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | MarkBao: qt has excellent animation support :P | 20:32 |
| ensi | (unless you compile from source) | 20:32 |
| ensi | MarkBao: but do you need this? | 20:33 |
| MarkBao | hmm, I might. | 20:33 |
| ensi | a bigger problem is that some of the Maemo api's want a GtkWindow* | 20:33 |
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| ensi | which is kinda sucky.... | 20:33 |
| zaheerm | how can i tell the device in my app not to dim the scren | 20:33 |
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| zaheerm | bit sucky my video gets dimmed | 20:34 |
| MarkBao | thanks for the help, ensi and Stskeeps :) | 20:35 |
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| ensi | np | 20:35 |
| _Lucretia_ | finally! got a pink rectangle in the top left corner of the window: error messages are here: http://pastebin.com/mfb698a9 | 20:35 |
| lcuk | zaheerm, which toolkit you using | 20:36 |
| zaheerm | hildon, gtk | 20:36 |
| kirma | hrmm... so many people on bus usin n900 :I | 20:36 |
| zaheerm | kirma, you're on a nokia employees bus? :) | 20:36 |
| kirma | not really. kamppi-espoo in general | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a typical maemo employees bus for those living in espoo | 20:38 |
| kirma | helsinki, one that goes past one of nokia complexes to engineer suburb of 300k or so | 20:38 |
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| kirma | ;I | 20:38 |
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| * javispedro would fear a bus full of n900s, just in case they decided to revert to their human forms | 20:39 | |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: the people with n900s are actually controlled by their n900s :P | 20:40 |
| kirma | eh eh | 20:40 |
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| zaheerm | lcuk, you have an answer? | 20:40 |
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| kirma | people iwth iphones are ceretainly controlled by steve | 20:40 |
| lcuk | zaheerm, mplayer has a heartbeat function | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | zaheerm: qwerty12 knows how to stop dimming and such i think :P | 20:40 |
| lcuk | which does as you need | 20:40 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: I'm sure that's not good material for an ad ;) | 20:40 |
| lcuk | but google isnt the best at searching partial words | 20:40 |
| lcuk | and i cant remember the actual name of the func | 20:40 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, yah tried google | 20:41 |
| kirma | nice e90 typos damnit | 20:41 |
| konttori | do we have the n900wallpapers guys in here ever? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | im searching for heartbeat rather than blanking stuff | 20:41 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:41 |
| wazd | can anybody stop this maemo.org spam please? :) | 20:41 |
| lcuk | its code177 isnt it | 20:41 |
| konttori | we are going to make it easier to make 4 screen wallpapers. | 20:41 |
| zaheerm | yah heartbeat keeps up its cpu speed too right? | 20:41 |
| konttori | I just wanted to notify the guys. | 20:41 |
| lcuk | konttori cool! | 20:41 |
| _Lucretia_ | can someone tell me why it's trying to load Error loading cached background image /home/laguest/.backgrounds/background-1.pvr when they don't exist? | 20:42 |
| lcuk | how are you goin about it? just single pic and cookie cut to size? | 20:42 |
| javispedro | _Lucretia_: something you can safely ignore | 20:42 |
| lcuk | or stitching multiple as well? | 20:42 |
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| konttori | single pic and that's it. store anywhere on the device. tracker will feed it to the available wallpapers automatically | 20:42 |
| _Lucretia_ | javispedro: ok, but it's still not working | 20:42 |
| konttori | all images of size 3200x480 will go there | 20:42 |
| lcuk | konttori, so we should expect people using a strip of 4 pictures created from a single 640*480 original source manga image? :D | 20:43 |
| javispedro | _Lucretia_: remove everything and reinstall. and follow instructions a bit more carefully (yes you have to install both nokia-apps and nokia-binaries in both targets) | 20:43 |
| _Lucretia_ | can someone look at my error log and give me a hint? | 20:43 |
| lcuk | 160*120 (H) | 20:43 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, i grabbed mplayer src from apt, looking now | 20:43 |
| lcuk | alright cool zaheerm | 20:44 |
| _Lucretia_ | javispedro: I used http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation and I folloed it exactly cutting n pasting. it didn't install some things, like the osso stuff | 20:44 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, thx for the pointer | 20:44 |
| lcuk | ahh konttori cool | 20:44 |
| konttori | It's only easier delivery method | 20:44 |
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| konttori | lcuk: I still can't see you in internal irc | 20:44 |
| javispedro | _Lucretia_: because you didn't do the nokia-binaries part | 20:44 |
| _Lucretia_ | I did | 20:44 |
| javispedro | at least, for both targets | 20:45 |
| _Lucretia_ | I did | 20:45 |
| zaheerm | osso_display_state_on(ossocontext);osso_display_blanking_pause(ossocontext); | 20:45 |
| lcuk | i can see you | 20:45 |
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| * zaheerm hopes it is wrapped in pymaemo | 20:46 | |
| _Lucretia_ | I pasted the lines "fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps" from both x86 and arm | 20:46 |
| javispedro | _Lucretia_: that should've downloaded nearly 200 mibibytes | 20:46 |
| moo__ | javispedro: Thou Hast Highlighted My Nick | 20:46 |
| javispedro | or more | 20:46 |
| _Lucretia_ | javispedro: it downloaded a shitload on both | 20:46 |
| lcuk | zaheerm, i believe on n810 that actually failed for me! | 20:47 |
| _Lucretia_ | and still didn't work | 20:47 |
| javispedro | moo__, only a three letter prefix! | 20:47 |
| lcuk | either that or i had nothing available | 20:47 |
| moo__ | >_> | 20:47 |
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| javispedro | _Lucretia_: after that you either have af-sb-init.sh avail or the apt-get install clearly failed with a visible error message | 20:47 |
| RST38h | General: Do you still have management rights for maemo.og? If you don't who does? | 20:47 |
| zaheerm | lcuk, pymaemo display state methods? | 20:47 |
| moo__ | is there geotagging support for N900 which would actually embed geolocation informaiton in JPEG EXIF data (for flick to consume)? | 20:48 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: at least in python-osso 0.4 it should work | 20:48 |
| greenfly | moo__: yes | 20:49 |
| moo__ | greenfly: linkz or didn't happen :) | 20:49 |
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| EspadaV8_L | bugger, why did they have to release the n900 today :( | 20:51 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, in 0.4 i see osso.device_state not display_state | 20:51 |
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| zaheerm | lizardo, no matter i found it is what i want | 20:52 |
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| zaheerm | lizardo, thx for the help | 20:52 |
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| lizardo | zaheerm: DeviceState.display_state_on() and DeviceState.display_blanking_pause() (just for completeness) :) | 20:52 |
| lizardo | in device_state module | 20:53 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if 'patch' is in extras | 21:00 | |
| * VDVsx thumbs up new Bullshit Bingo version ;) | 21:01 | |
| andre__ | okay, just realized when reading internal bug reports that people really test porn pages in the browser. so this device could even become a success :-P | 21:03 |
| andre__ | (though "pink page" is a weird euphemism in the subject line, dear reporter.) | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | 1/5 of iphone users use it for porn. let's make it 1/2 on n900! :P | 21:03 |
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| andre__ | i do my very best already ;-) | 21:04 |
| javispedro | n900: 1/2 of it use it for viewing 'pink pages', the other half is mentally insane! | 21:04 |
| javispedro | s/it/owners | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | pinkpenguin.org | 21:04 |
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| GreyFoxx | Is there a recommended alternate web browser for the N810 ? I've seen mention of "tear browser" and was wondering if it was faster than the one that came with my tablet | 21:08 |
| w00t | Stskeeps probably makes up for all the other users anyway | 21:08 |
| w00t | :-) | 21:08 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: clutter build-deps on Mer seem wrong, it should require libxi-dev libxcomposite-dev libxdamage-dev libxfixes-dev at least | 21:08 |
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| javispedro | also I wonder were all those modificacions to clutter in Maemo come from. | 21:08 |
| javispedro | half of it are in quilt form, rest are not. | 21:08 |
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| johnx | GreyFoxx, tear is the one you want: http://wiki.maemo.org/Tear | 21:10 |
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| _Lucretia_ | when doing the sdk_install, do I just need option 3? | 21:11 |
| GreyFoxx | John, thanks | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: there's probably some dependancy that brings the stuff in? | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | we are quite picky about our build deps so | 21:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: you alive? | 21:27 |
| * timeless_mbp is thinking about dinner | 21:27 | |
| sp3000 | build joy | 21:30 |
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| GiantTalkingCow | Dinner would be nice, if it wasn't lunchtime over here. | 21:31 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | i haven't had lunch yet | 21:33 |
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| PortaLu | his, do I actually need to take any notice of the /proc binfmt_misc error | 21:53 |
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| PortaLu | his, do I actually need to take any notice of the /proc binfmt_misc error | 21:59 |
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| mgedmin | what error? | 22:04 |
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| mgedmin | and I don't know anyway | 22:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: so... bugmail reached 0 | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | dinner plans? | 22:11 |
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| sp3000 | had to do a branch port build fix, building images now | 22:12 |
| sp3000 | bugmail 0? unpossible | 22:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | well | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it'll bubble up while i walk to dinner | 22:18 |
| sp3000 | ;) | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and i have 424 non bugmails to read | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but stil | 22:18 |
| timeless_mbp | l | 22:18 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs at Linux Devices | 22:18 | |
| Stskeeps | Maemo.org? | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | In short, it's competitive with the latest high-end smartphones, including the iPhone, Samsung's LiMo-based Vodafone 360 H1, or Motorola's much-touted Android based http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Verizon-Wireless-Droid-by-Motorola/. Unsubsidized by carriers at this point, however, it costs considerably more. | 22:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | and of course there's no way to email them anymore. | 22:19 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: where's dinner? | 22:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, it's 10pm on weds | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | does that make it pizza? | 22:21 |
| sp3000 | it probably does | 22:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | pizza then, when's dinner? | 22:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: eh? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 22:21 |
| timeless_mbp | [10:19pm] <Stskeeps> Maemo.org? | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, see my quote. | 22:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles retroactively adds quotation marks. | 22:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | how about a reference link? | 22:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-N900-ships/ | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | > After a delay of several weeks, Nokia is finally shipping its Maemo Linux-based N900 smartphone for 500 Euros ($750), says eWEEK. Meanwhile, a research note supports rumors of an upcoming Maemo-based, mass-market smartphone designed to compete directly with the iPhone, says an industry report, and LWN.net reports on last month's Maemo Summit. | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i thought the list price was 600EUR/650USD | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | where did they pull 500EUR/750USD? | 22:29 |
| sp3000 | they love to convert | 22:30 |
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| johnsq | timeless_mbp: price compate is at 499 | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | someone please check me, the price listed for .eu is 600, not 500, right? | 22:30 |
| johnsq | compate=compare | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=n900+600+eur&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 22:31 |
| cosmo | if anyone with 32bit ubuntu or debian wants to beta-test my desktop app, please do http://www.siilihai.com/ | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | shows that my memory isn't that bad | 22:31 |
| cosmo | i just added talk.maemo.org support for it | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | did the price get shifted by nokia to be less insane? | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | cosmo: i think talk support is generally seen as a negative here :) | 22:31 |
| cosmo | maemo version coming later (this week maybe) | 22:31 |
| cosmo | timeless_mbp: is there any better forum for maemo? | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno, i stay away from the others | 22:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, the €500 doesn't include taxes. | 22:35 |
| * timeless_mbp boggles | 22:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | you mean it excludes VAT? | 22:35 |
| pwnguin | what's VAT? :P | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | cosmo, Talk is the least evil of them. | 22:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, right. | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: TAX spelled differently | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | with more VALUE ADDED | 22:36 |
| pwnguin | prices in the US don't advertise sales tax because there's a billion jurisdictions | 22:36 |
| johnsq | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a457621.html | 22:36 |
| pwnguin | i get sales taxed by the city, county and state | 22:36 |
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| pwnguin | if i walk across the state line, those calculations change | 22:37 |
| pwnguin | finally, if i have something shipped from out of state, its possible i pay no sales tax | 22:38 |
| pwnguin | ie newegg | 22:38 |
| pwnguin | so that's why american perspective writing won't discuss taxes | 22:39 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: ok, walking | 22:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i'll head out in 2min | 22:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: most of the people talking here now are americans | 22:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | we're well aware of how normal taxes work | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | european VAT is odd | 22:40 |
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| andre__ | I just heavily updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad . if anybody feels the urge to proofread before complaining about my denglish, just do it... ;-) | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | because it's generally included in the listed "base" price | 22:40 |
| pwnguin | oh, im sorry, i misread something | 22:40 |
| pwnguin | my terminal doesnt seem to render unicode well | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: no real way for you to know that | 22:40 |
| pwnguin | i know how VAT works | 22:41 |
| pwnguin | i thought you were boggling at an advertised 500 dollar price, not a 500 euro | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: reading, but i gotta go to meet sp3000 for dinner | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: oh | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | no, i was boggling at the 500 EUR instead of the expected 600 EUR | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and also that they were claiming 750 USD instead of the expected 650 USD | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i.e. *Both* values were wrong | 22:41 |
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| pwnguin | worthless numbers | 22:42 |
| andre__ | appreciated. but as said, no urgent need. it's just so popular to complain about bad english nowadays in the community ;-)) | 22:42 |
| pwnguin | newegg has it for $559.00 | 22:42 |
| tigert | http://www.flickr.com/photos/markoallan/4095348698/in/pool-1184299@N24 | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | really, you mean i'm not alone? | 22:42 |
| pwnguin | Dell listed it at 600 in a catalog, a catalog with a 15 percent off coupon that included it | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | > Add yourself to the "Bugsquad Members list below. | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | parser expected " found EOL | 22:43 |
| pwnguin | if the MSRP dropped, its probably because china's been chasing the US in a currency devaluation | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | pwnguin: afaict the prices haven't really moved at all | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but the site that someone quoted was evil | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems like they unVAT'd the european price | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and then converted that into USD | 22:44 |
| pwnguin | heh | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | which is bogus because there's always a distinct price across the US/EU line | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | and the US price is lower | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 650USD+TAX is ~720USD not 750USD | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | and the 500EUR is *not* with TAX | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | so you wouldn't list the 720 number next to it | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | 500EUR can be converted to 750USD using a currency converter | 22:45 |
| pwnguin | you should write them and ask thme to make a note in their style guide | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | but again, 750 isn't the list price in the US | 22:45 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, thanks. fixed. | 22:45 |
| pwnguin | because im sure linuxfordevices.com is a professional outfit that has things like style guides for their writers :) | 22:46 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 22:46 | |
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| johnsq | lets wait until it is one the market for a while | 22:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Home directory /home/user not ours. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if that's why i've been having issues. | 22:48 |
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| Stskeeps | yup. /home/user owned by root | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, sadly they seemed to have removed most contact options. | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I made an email for the guy, let's see if it bounces. | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | s/made/made up/ | 22:50 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I made up an email for the guy, let's see if it bounces. | 22:50 |
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| KaKaRoTo-KS | Hi, how can I get my app added to the maemo 5 repos? | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 22:56 |
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| timeless | cool, just in time | 22:59 |
| PortaLu | is the xephyr gui supposed to be running from the armel target? | 23:01 |
| Stskeeps | no | 23:01 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | GeneralAntilles, thanks, sorry for the obvious link | 23:02 |
| PortaLu | Stskeeps: so it's not possible to arm apps from within the gui side, it has to be compiled as x86? | 23:02 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, there's a technical limitation | 23:03 |
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| Stskeeps | you can test all you want on x86 and then as final act build as armel | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | and put it on your device | 23:03 |
| lcuk | hiya KaKaRoTo-KS \o | 23:03 |
| PortaLu | i never understood why nokia did that, i mean build an emulator and use that only | 23:03 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | lcuk, hey :) | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | PortaLu: it is a little difficult to support GLES from within a user level emulated armel target | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | and it's not an emulator as such. it's the actual SW running on your computer. | 23:04 |
| * lcuk recognises more people every day lol | 23:04 | |
| PortaLu | well, with a fast machine it'd be usable | 23:04 |
| PortaLu | anyway | 23:04 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, spam link again before you start | 23:04 |
| timeless | yeah, sbox is not an emu | 23:04 |
| PortaLu | Stskeeps: is there a doc on how to add a new app? I want to port a compiler to this | 23:05 |
| PortaLu | it's part of gcc, but no supported | 23:05 |
| PortaLu | not | 23:05 |
| lcuk | :O i nearly spilt beer on my n900 o_O | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: k | 23:05 |
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| Stskeeps | PortaLu: you're in for a lot of pain :/ | 23:05 |
| PortaLu | Stskeeps: well | 23:05 |
| PortaLu | i'll look | 23:05 |
| PortaLu | i'm doing this someone else | 23:05 |
| PortaLu | for | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | scratchbox toolchains nearly drove me mad | 23:05 |
| PortaLu | nice | 23:06 |
| PortaLu | a friend asked me about adding gnat | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | ada? :P | 23:06 |
| PortaLu | y | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | right, not worth loosing your sanity over | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:06 |
| PortaLu | well | 23:06 |
| PortaLu | i need to do it anyway, it's a starting point for my own project | 23:06 |
| lcuk | KaKaRoTo-KS, which app are you wanting to add? | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | sure it isn't part of the existing cross-compiler? | 23:07 |
| PortaLu | arm isn't supported publicly, it's a faq in #Ada, I've meaning to look into it for a while | 23:07 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | lcuk, check http://amsn-project.net/new-www/download.php | 23:07 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:08 |
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| PortaLu | Stskeeps: so? pointers? | 23:09 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | :) | 23:09 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | about to officially announce/release it | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | you have to go through extras-testing first really | 23:09 |
| Lorthirk | so you're THAT KaKaRoTo :) | 23:09 |
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| Lorthirk | I was about to asking you :) | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | PortaLu: you're better off building a toolchain outside scratchbox environment and then adding it to use it | 23:09 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | Lorthirk, lol, yeah :) | 23:10 |
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| KaKaRoTo-KS | am I that famous? ^o) | 23:10 |
| lcuk | so once you have uploaded to -devel, you have to get 10 sucke errrr testers to verify that all the QC criteria are accounted for | 23:10 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | lcuk, what sucks is that Tk is not hildonized | 23:11 |
| PortaLu | Stskeeps: you mean, build the cross compiler outside sb and then copy it across into the sandbox? | 23:11 |
| Lorthirk | well, since i'm on a mac where no official msn nor cocoa-based serious messengers are avaialable ... yes, you are :) | 23:11 |
| lcuk | you dont have to be hildonized, you have to be stable and usable however | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | PortaLu: and then i would use scratchbox2 / maemo sdk+ to avoid going completely mad | 23:11 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | oh cool then :) | 23:11 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | Lorthirk, hehe, yeah, mac users love us :) | 23:11 |
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| frals | does amsn support logged in at multiple places yet? ;o | 23:12 |
| Lorthirk | even if i'm switching back to win+lin | 23:12 |
| lcuk | as long as the app doesnt blow up in peoples face, run viruses, drain battery or the normal "bad app" syndrome, you should get it through | 23:12 |
| PortaLu | Stskeeps: k thanka | 23:12 |
| PortaLu | a/s | 23:12 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | frals, if you enable a hidden option, yes.. but you loose support for P2P (display pictures, custom emoticons) because the protocol changed | 23:12 |
| frals | cool | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | god, garage is so slow.. | 23:16 |
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| hcarrega | any new on dates ? | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | what? they're shipping | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ];/ | 23:19 |
| * SpeedEvil checks his order status page. | 23:20 | |
| konttori | oh, n900 in uk for free with contract: http://www.nokiaretail.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/Nseries-Multimedia-Phones/sb489/p26078.htm | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 23:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | dluu | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | deliery mid nogv clsaim i see | 23:22 |
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| edgar21 | would anyone know what might be the reason for my facebook widget on n900 to only give the message "you have no status updates" and nothing else? | 23:26 |
| edgar21 | i've tried with different accounts, but the facebook widget never updates | 23:27 |
| edgar21 | (please tell me if the question is inappropriate here. i'm kind of new here on the maemo irc channel) | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | do you have any friends? | 23:29 |
| andre__ | edgar21, fixed already - see bugs.maemo.org ;-) | 23:29 |
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| andre__ | edgar21, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6095 | 23:30 |
| povbot | Bug 6095: Facebook widget does not update status feed anymore | 23:30 |
| andre__ | just upgrade "feedservice-plugin-fb" to 0.4.7 | 23:30 |
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| edgar21 | thanks povbot and andre_ | 23:34 |
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| andre__ | no problem | 23:34 |
| lcuk | heh @ povbot gettin karma (H) | 23:35 |
| lcuk | andre__, the bug report, its not a serious problem because it only occurs after new (unlike old media scanner which when amock anytime) | 23:36 |
| Robot101 | :) | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | Robot101 \o even | 23:36 |
| Robot101 | word | 23:36 |
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| edgar21 | will feedservice-plugin-fb be upgraded most easily by temporarily enabling extras-devel? | 23:36 |
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| edgar21 | hmm apparently not | 23:38 |
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| andre__ | edgar21: it's not in Extras-Devel, it's in "Nokia Applications" | 23:42 |
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| edgar21 | oh. | 23:43 |
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| edgar21 | so how is it updated? | 23:44 |
| edgar21 | it's not to be found either in installed applications or the download section | 23:44 |
| edgar21 | and "nokia applications" is enabled in repository | 23:44 |
| * edgar21 has the feeling something obvious is unknown to him | 23:45 | |
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| KaKaRoTo-KS | Lorthirk, lcuk : amsn new website is up, with maemo page :) | 23:48 |
| Lorthirk | cool :) | 23:48 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | now about 10 million users will go to the website and see the maemo link :p | 23:48 |
| Lorthirk | can't wait to use it when i'll get n900 | 23:48 |
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| KaKaRoTo-KS | Lorthirk, you know it's a memory hog, right? :) | 23:48 |
| Lorthirk | of course i do | 23:49 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | it works quite well, but quite slow to start | 23:49 |
| Lorthirk | but we have a tiny little monster in our hands :) | 23:49 |
| * Stskeeps rather likes telepathy-butterfly | 23:49 | |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | seems to do a lot of IO, slowing down the device (during startup, and connecting) | 23:49 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | Lorthirk, it is :) | 23:49 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | Stskeeps, yeah, and butterfly should have audio/video call support too, so that's awesome | 23:50 |
| Lorthirk | i'd just love to be a decent developer so i would have my say in the n900 world :( | 23:50 |
| KaKaRoTo-KS | hehe | 23:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lorthirk: Devote the time to it, and you can gain a clue. | 23:50 |
| toggles_w | Stskeeps: have you tried video to an n810? or Karmic? | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | toggles_w: i haven't tried video as the front camera is acting funny | 23:51 |
| Lorthirk | SpeedEvil: you're right, fo sure... but i'm so... how can i say, scared of some things | 23:51 |
| Lorthirk | i'm graduated in computer sciences so i'm supposed to be fast learning those kind of things | 23:51 |
| Lorthirk | but i just can't find a kickstart | 23:52 |
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| Stskeeps | evening crashanddie | 23:53 |
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| * Jaffa should go to bed, as he's on GMT+1 and several (ish) pints up | 23:58 | |
| Jaffa | Samuel Adams Winter Lager FTWQ | 23:58 |
| Jaffa | -Q | 23:58 |
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| frals | those are quite nice indeed | 23:59 |
| Jaffa | Much nicer than the normal Sam Adams that I've had in SF | 23:59 |
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