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luke-jr | champus: those are the biggest problem bits, but not just that, no | 00:00 |
Jaffa | luke-jr: Presumably by dropping the baud down to something like 9600 to get enough fidelity | 00:00 |
GeneralAntilles | champus, open kernel drivers, closed libs on some stuff. | 00:00 |
luke-jr | Jaffa: but I thought GSM would lose the frequencies | 00:00 |
luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: obviously | 00:00 |
ShadowJK | I think there's a fax mode | 00:00 |
Jaffa | luke-jr: I did it myself, at least once - but didn't investigate the underlying implementation | 00:01 |
ShadowJK | data over GSM (pre-GPRS) wasn't a standard modem hooked up to the GSM voice codec, obviously :-) | 00:01 |
Jaffa | :) | 00:01 |
qwerty12_N900 | Jaffa: HildonFancyButton should really be a part of libhildon itself :) | 00:01 |
luke-jr | ah, so the carrier needs to support it | 00:01 |
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lbt | did someone say fax? Or was that MMS ? | 00:01 |
javispedro | no fax? dealkiller! | 00:01 |
ShadowJK | GSM has a ton of features and cruft nobody uses :) | 00:02 |
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ShadowJK | There's this RSS-like thing for SMS too, iir | 00:02 |
javispedro | like phone calls. | 00:02 |
ShadowJK | iirc* | 00:02 |
ShadowJK | javispedro, like that, yeah | 00:02 |
champus | generalantilles, luke-jr: think it doesn't take long until they are cracked | 00:02 |
Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: i.e. the big icon button with faded highlight on press? | 00:02 |
GeneralAntilles | champus, until what's cracked? | 00:02 |
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champus | generalantilles: the prop bits | 00:03 |
* realitygaps waiting for the fax killer app | 00:03 |
qwerty12_N900 | Jaffa: Yes, that's what they are called in the Application Manager source code | 00:03 |
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ShadowJK | OT: review of booklet 3g: "If Apple made a netbook, this is what it would have been" | 00:04 |
javispedro | ah, the ORANGE button in SDK. | 00:04 |
Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: Right. And it's its own impl? | 00:04 |
GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, how's Linux support? | 00:04 |
champus | hm, general question: is the n900 with maemo also interesting for lets say teeny girls with daddys credit card? or is it too geeky for non-techier moneywasters? | 00:04 |
Jaffa | champus: It's a bit bulky for that market, probably. | 00:04 |
* Jaffa heard a Nokian describe it as "masculine" | 00:04 |
* Jaffa TVs | 00:04 |
qwerty12_N900 | Jaffa: Yep. http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline/blobs/master/src/hildon-fancy-button.c | 00:05 |
ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, no idea | 00:05 |
GeneralAntilles | Although everybody I've shown Maemo 5 to has loved it. | 00:05 |
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Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: One to submit to HildonExtras? | 00:05 |
ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, I think it's powervr too, so you're kinda like a roman slave on a trireme when it comes to drivers | 00:05 |
javispedro | qwerty12_N900: lemme guess. the code is 100% duplicated in the clock app? | 00:06 |
javispedro | ah, the clock app is closed. | 00:06 |
champus | jaffa: is it to bulky for its features (screen size etc.)? or is it just that with its components its a little bit too big in comparison to less equiped smartphones? | 00:06 |
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qwerty12_N900 | Jaffa: Yeah, that idea had crossed my mind | 00:06 |
lcuk | whats this fancy button for | 00:06 |
javispedro | clicking. | 00:06 |
lcuk | yeah i know | 00:07 |
qwerty12_N900 | Guess it should be proposed on -developers | 00:07 |
qwerty12_N900 | Ha | 00:07 |
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javispedro | :) | 00:07 |
lcuk | i cant see the start of the convo | 00:07 |
champus | will i think: yeah, nice screen, need to grap my whole hand around it | 00:07 |
champus | or will i think: hm, screen is nice but what about all the plastic around it? | 00:07 |
javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Clock.png | 00:07 |
javispedro | those are the fancy buttons, aren't them? | 00:07 |
qwerty12_N900 | Yessir | 00:07 |
javispedro | the "orange" buttons for those of us who still DON't HAVE AN N900. | 00:07 |
* lcuk laffs | 00:07 |
GeneralAntilles | champus, people who have only looked at numbers on the internet like to bitch about the thickness. | 00:08 |
* GeneralAntilles doesn't see it as an issue. | 00:08 |
GeneralAntilles | Since everything else they compare it to doesn't match up feature-wise. | 00:08 |
lcuk | what part is fancy | 00:08 |
lcuk | and are they new | 00:08 |
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champus | generalantilles: okay, so the size is acceptable in relation to the features / hardware? | 00:08 |
lcuk | they would just be clickable glyphs | 00:08 |
lcuk | why are they doing anything differnt | 00:08 |
ShadowJK | operators here marketed a "mese phone" to teeny girls. "mese" being short for MSN Messenger. Apparently that's all they use their computers for. | 00:08 |
champus | generalantilles: as i usually say: size doesn't matter - money makes the world go round! :D | 00:08 |
GeneralAntilles | champus, the size really isn't an issue. | 00:09 |
GeneralAntilles | Unless you wear hotpants all of the time. | 00:09 |
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champus | generalantilles: i don't wear any clothes | 00:09 |
luke-jr | champus: N8x0 were never "cracked" even to today | 00:09 |
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realitygaps | size is great imho, fits in a belt little holder like any other phone... | 00:09 |
lcuk | has anyone checked if they are waterproof | 00:09 |
qwerty12_N900 | Erm | 00:10 |
champus | generalantilles: hmm well, surely: i like to wear jeans which sometimes fit tight - the trackball of my blackberry bold got crapped by keeping the blackberry in my jeans when beeing in clubs and moving around fast etc. | 00:10 |
realitygaps | should get guaka to do it seeing as he's bricked already :) | 00:10 |
javispedro | champus: if you don't have any clothes you can cirurgically insert it on your right leg. | 00:10 |
* qwerty12_N900 points out that they are loaned | 00:10 |
champus | generalantilles: could this be a problem for the n900 to? don't want to use my guarantee again every 3 - 4 months -_- | 00:10 |
lcuk | qwerty12_N900, agreed | 00:10 |
luke-jr | champus: warranty* | 00:10 |
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champus | yeah.. that's what i mean | 00:10 |
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GeneralAntilles | champus, there's no parts sticking out to be broken. | 00:11 |
champus | okay | 00:11 |
realitygaps | champus: id worry most about the screen, otherwise it seems pretty solid | 00:11 |
realitygaps | champus: ive dropped mine a few times too and taken it clubbing more than once | 00:11 |
* lcuk has seen a damaged n900 | 00:11 |
lcuk | with a dent in the bezel and a chip in the screen | 00:11 |
sevard | :( | 00:12 |
sevard | really | 00:12 |
* javispedro will miss the soft carrying case | 00:12 |
sevard | :( | 00:12 |
champus | i'm using this old nokia mobilephone right now waiting for t-mobile sending me a new blackberry... this just sucks... i hope the n900 is as stable as my old nokia here, i can do anything with it and it still works | 00:12 |
* qwerty12_N900 has seen a really early proto of the N900. Same thing... | 00:12 |
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luke-jr | javispedro: what replaced it? | 00:12 |
lcuk | qwerty12_N900, same what? | 00:12 |
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lcuk | champus, thats something nokias always are | 00:12 |
javispedro | luke-jr: other than suposedly being more scratchproof, nothing that I know of. | 00:12 |
lcuk | *ymmv | 00:12 |
qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: The early protos looking fugly, so you could say they were "damaged"... | 00:13 |
lcuk | nahhh swans | 00:13 |
ShadowJK | javispedro, there is one for N900 too (carrying case) | 00:13 |
lcuk | rough diamonds | 00:13 |
ShadowJK | but it isn't included | 00:13 |
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javispedro | ShadowJK: from Nokia? didn't see it. | 00:13 |
ShadowJK | yes from nokia | 00:14 |
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dmj726 | I found a good use for iphones: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Db7pKjUrNXQ | 00:14 |
champus | would be a nice feeling having a luxurious, feature rich and helpful smartphone which i can pull out of my trouser pocket after dancing 10 hours without having to worry about destroeyed keys.. | 00:14 |
ShadowJK | javispedro, CP-321 | 00:14 |
realitygaps | javispedro: pretty easy to find a case. Ive got two good ones already one from golla and a holster from digipack | 00:14 |
ShadowJK | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-carrying-case-cp-321-for-nokia-n900 | 00:14 |
realitygaps | javispedro: generic but a nice fit | 00:14 |
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javispedro | realitygaps: the pretty thing about the n810 is that it exactly fitted the device | 00:14 |
luke-jr | javispedro: no case at all?! | 00:14 |
luke-jr | javispedro: and the display is still exposed?! | 00:14 |
luke-jr | wtf | 00:14 |
javispedro | luke-jr: sold separately http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-carrying-case-cp-321-for-nokia-n900 | 00:14 |
realitygaps | javispedro: the belt holster i got randomly in weeze airport is a perfect fit | 00:15 |
luke-jr | that's retarded | 00:15 |
javispedro | luke-jr: but I agree. | 00:15 |
luke-jr | that is one of the big reasons I prefer clamshells | 00:15 |
champus | do you think that it will be possible soon to use all the integrated hardware in n900? want to send my gps location every 2 minutes to my webserver | 00:15 |
javispedro | it will the first device I buy with totally unprotected screen. | 00:15 |
luke-jr | screen is protected all the time | 00:15 |
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champus | think i have to code a daemon e.g. for it | 00:15 |
javispedro | you can do whatever you want, champus. | 00:15 |
realitygaps | champus: im working on something similar at the mo | 00:15 |
champus | but don't wanna talk to the gps module in asm... are there hardware apis? | 00:15 |
luke-jr | champus: I don't see what's so difficult to do about that | 00:15 |
luke-jr | ... asm? wtf? | 00:15 |
realitygaps | champus: python should be able to interface with it | 00:16 |
luke-jr | of course there's APIs.. | 00:16 |
javispedro | champus: start by reading liblocation documentation. | 00:16 |
champus | yeah | 00:16 |
champus | so there are python libs for the integrated hardware? | 00:16 |
dmj726 | GPS use is included right? | 00:16 |
champus | what the fuck | 00:16 |
champus | that really rules | 00:16 |
luke-jr | champus: http://gpsd.berlios.de/libgps.html | 00:16 |
dmj726 | no extra thing you have to pay for? | 00:16 |
javispedro | "GPS use" is free. | 00:16 |
luke-jr | Python sucks :/ | 00:16 |
realitygaps | dmj726: depends what u mean by gps use | 00:16 |
javispedro | road to road navigation, now... | 00:16 |
luke-jr | dmj726: GPS is hardware, not service | 00:16 |
luke-jr | ah, true | 00:17 |
qwerty12_N900 | A kitten dies everytime someone uses liblocation | 00:17 |
luke-jr | mapping apps are all crap :( | 00:17 |
champus | and a last question | 00:17 |
champus | but its optional | 00:17 |
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champus | : | 00:17 |
dmj726 | ...my family had said they heard you had to pay for it, which was news to me. | 00:17 |
javispedro | qwerty12_N900: ah, didn't know it was banned. closed, or just useless? | 00:17 |
realitygaps | qwerty12_N900: is there a good alternative? | 00:17 |
dmj726 | (When they were at the Chicago event) | 00:17 |
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luke-jr | realitygaps: libgps | 00:17 |
luke-jr | http://gpsd.berlios.de/libgps.html | 00:17 |
champus | will i be able to call people with the n900 and talk to them using an integrated microphone and listen to them using a speaker? | 00:17 |
champus | yeah i know | 00:18 |
champus | i can use icq | 00:18 |
champus | oder skype | 00:18 |
champus | irc | 00:18 |
realitygaps | luke-js: thx, saw that link just now | 00:18 |
luke-jr | ... | 00:18 |
champus | to communicate | 00:18 |
champus | but i'm retro | 00:18 |
lcuk | champus, you mean hands free? | 00:18 |
champus | no i mean "making a phone call" | 00:18 |
lcuk | yeah | 00:18 |
luke-jr | it's a phone | 00:18 |
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lcuk | hands free | 00:18 |
luke-jr | wtf do you expect? O.o | 00:18 |
qwerty12_N900 | realitygaps, javispedro: Please ignore me, one of my stupid comments :) | 00:18 |
realitygaps | yep speaker works nice | 00:18 |
dmj726 | So will I be able to find my location and get it to plot directions without any particular service? | 00:18 |
luke-jr | dmj726: no | 00:19 |
champus | luke-jr: well, with all these features it wouldn't be hard to forget that it is a smart_phone_ | 00:19 |
luke-jr | dmj726: plotting directions is not GPS | 00:19 |
realitygaps | dmj726: you can do a route without a service ive managed to | 00:19 |
lcuk | dmj726, you can plot location, but without a map for reference... | 00:19 |
champus | luke-jr: as i said - would take a long time until i realize that there is no phone feature if they forgot it | 00:19 |
dmj726 | ah...then what would I need to pay for there? | 00:19 |
dmj726 | so no maps are included? | 00:19 |
luke-jr | dmj726: probably software and maps | 00:19 |
realitygaps | dmj726: ovi maps allows me to add a route (from/to points) even without net access. | 00:19 |
champus | openmaps | 00:19 |
GeneralAntilles | dmj726, Ovi Maps is bundled. | 00:19 |
champus | or what its called | 00:19 |
luke-jr | dmj726: you can download OpenStreetMaps maps, but no decent software to use it exists yet | 00:20 |
GeneralAntilles | It some approximation of routing | 00:20 |
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realitygaps | dmj726: you can download all the map files - ive got all of europe in ovi maps even without net connection | 00:20 |
champus | will i be able to manipulate pictures taken with the internal camera on gimp right after shooting them? | 00:20 |
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luke-jr | champus: GIMP ftl | 00:20 |
luke-jr | champus: use Krita :D | 00:20 |
realitygaps | champus: ive done that using gimp in a debian chroot | 00:20 |
javispedro | champus: GIMP on 800x480? | 00:20 |
realitygaps | luke-jr: and also krita :) | 00:20 |
champus | this could help me with my problem showing people pictures from club evenings without editing them before (huge pupils etc) | 00:21 |
dmj726 | okay, so Ovi maps will let me plot a route between where I am, and a given street/city? | 00:21 |
realitygaps | dmj726: not in the most efficient way , but it works | 00:21 |
champus | how is typing at the n900 keyboard? does it feel fast after you learned it? | 00:21 |
dmj726 | (I don't necessarily need it to voice announce or anything) | 00:21 |
realitygaps | dmj726: you cant search for a location without being online at present in ovimaps on n900 :( | 00:21 |
dmj726 | What is inefficient? | 00:21 |
realitygaps | dmj726: but you can find the start and end points and it calculates the route | 00:22 |
realitygaps | dmj726: hope that improves with release | 00:22 |
champus | i'm a fucking fast typper on real keyboard so i need to be able to type very very quick on the smartphone otherwise i'll get bored ... | 00:22 |
realitygaps | champus: its pretty decent for such a small keybd | 00:22 |
champus | nice | 00:22 |
champus | but the whitespace sucks aight? | 00:22 |
luke-jr | champus: typing on a handheld is completely different from typing on a full keyboard. | 00:22 |
dmj726 | So I can tell it to plot a route between yere and 123 residential rd, Hometown USA? | 00:22 |
champus | luke-jr: i know... typed with many handhelds | 00:23 |
dmj726 | (made up place of course) | 00:23 |
realitygaps | dmj726: you would need to find the point on the map rather than entering the address | 00:23 |
dmj726 | or do I need to be online for that? | 00:23 |
luke-jr | dmj726: inefficient as in, it might take an hour to drive the route it gives you when Google's route might take 45 minutes | 00:23 |
KMFDM | champus, well i couldn't see myself typing any faster using just my thumbs | 00:23 |
tbf | champus: not perfect, but definitely good enough | 00:23 |
champus | luke-jr: but some are that crappy designed you really feel that its design is stopping you from tying as fast as it would be possible with these small keys | 00:23 |
realitygaps | dmj726: to enter the address you need to be online | 00:23 |
luke-jr | champus: if your standard is Zaurus, then it probably sucks | 00:23 |
champus | luke-jr: never heard of zaurus | 00:23 |
tbf | champus: seems i start typing blindly when IMing and walking | 00:23 |
realitygaps | luke-jr: i thought it was pretty good compared to c860 | 00:23 |
dmj726 | otherwise I would need like lat/long? | 00:23 |
luke-jr | champus: Zaurus was a handheld about 5 years ago. it had an awesome kb | 00:23 |
champus | tbf: well that should be possible on every smartphone, otherwise its just crap | 00:24 |
champus | ahh one more question, then i'll stop bothering you | 00:24 |
realitygaps | dmj726: afai remember you need to locate it visually but can also use your gps position as one of the points | 00:24 |
KMFDM | i find it a bit hard to type blind without accidentally hitting other keys | 00:24 |
luke-jr | Zaurus SL-C760: http://www.dreadscott.com/C760/Zaurus_C760.jpg | 00:24 |
champus | is there usb input / output and will there be something like a docking station? | 00:24 |
* realitygaps is still running his zaurus on BSD | 00:24 |
luke-jr | champus: ok, now you need to seriously just go read the specs | 00:24 |
dmj726 | ah...that should really be improved. | 00:25 |
luke-jr | I wish I could force a company to build a modern Zaurus-phone :/ | 00:25 |
champus | luke-jr: you're right, but the last questions i asked where answered on a way it let my phantasy go wild | 00:26 |
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tbf | champus: still the keyboard is not good enough, that i wouldn't login via ssh for complex debugging sessions | 00:26 |
champus | luke-jr: specs only say: "yes" or "no". as i asked for the keyboard you made comparisions, explanations usw | 00:26 |
champus | etc. | 00:26 |
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champus | better to imagine | 00:26 |
realitygaps | luke-jr: there are some nice advantages on the n900 over the zauruses.... | 00:27 |
realitygaps | luke-jr: even the n8x0's | 00:27 |
luke-jr | champus: but USB is merely yes or no :p | 00:27 |
realitygaps | luke-jr: like inbuilt wifi | 00:27 |
luke-jr | realitygaps: not when it comes to keyboard | 00:27 |
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luke-jr | and design | 00:27 |
luke-jr | by modern, I meant updated hardware ;) | 00:27 |
luke-jr | 256+ MB RAM, decent CPU, builtin wifi/gsm | 00:27 |
realitygaps | luke-jr: fair point but the n900 does a pretty decent job and is finally a good replacement (for me) for the zauruses and psions | 00:27 |
luke-jr | clamshell | 00:28 |
realitygaps | clamshell was nice for sure | 00:28 |
realitygaps | and the twist screen | 00:28 |
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luke-jr | I don't care much for the twist screen tbh | 00:28 |
dmj726 | zaurus looks like a pandora | 00:29 |
luke-jr | but I suppose it could be handy if someone wanted to hold it up like a phone | 00:29 |
SpeedEvil | champus: exact status of USB is up-in-the-air | 00:29 |
dmj726 | like I said, you want a pandora with a gsm module. | 00:29 |
luke-jr | dmj726: yeah, Pandora might be a decent replacement | 00:29 |
luke-jr | you cant' just add a gsm module tho | 00:29 |
dmj726 | I know | 00:29 |
luke-jr | Pandora is IIRC also missing a lot of keys | 00:29 |
champus | tbf: hmmm... but what about connecting a keyboard via usb or bluetooth (if this is possible) | 00:29 |
champus | tbf: is working in a shell feeling good on the screen? | 00:29 |
champus | erm | 00:29 |
champus | nokia store says it will be released this month right? | 00:29 |
luke-jr | champus: BT keyboard is supported | 00:29 |
dmj726 | you can have bluetooth keyboards I believe | 00:29 |
realitygaps | working in a shell is as good as it could be at that sorta screen size | 00:29 |
SpeedEvil | champus: It may be capable of witht minimal hacking to connect external USB devices. You will at least need power. but this has not been confirmed. | 00:30 |
champus | release this month but no info bout usb status? | 00:30 |
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champus | hm | 00:30 |
champus | having a docking station would be nice | 00:30 |
champus | this would be fckn smart | 00:30 |
GeneralAntilles | champus, USB Consortium may be screwing us over. | 00:30 |
luke-jr | ?! | 00:30 |
SpeedEvil | champus: one of the few people with a n900 would have to actually try doing USB host mode. And none have - and reported it. | 00:30 |
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champus | hmm | 00:30 |
GeneralAntilles | champus, there are some complications with USB charging. | 00:31 |
GeneralAntilles | So, we don't know yet. | 00:31 |
dmj726 | I would really like to see host mode attempted. | 00:31 |
champus | ok | 00:31 |
champus | we'll see | 00:31 |
luke-jr | dmj726: N810 had host mode. | 00:31 |
SpeedEvil | USB charging should not affect things though - other than regulatorarily. | 00:31 |
dmj726 | I know | 00:31 |
GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, that's the point. | 00:31 |
SpeedEvil | But - it's possible there are bugs or other reasons it won't work. | 00:31 |
dmj726 | But I'm only interested in the n900 at the moment | 00:31 |
GeneralAntilles | The USB idiots may have made them prevent it in hardware. | 00:32 |
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SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: they can't easily. | 00:32 |
tbf | champus: terminal as 62 columns by default and is excellent to read | 00:32 |
dmj726 | Hopefully prevent in hardware means just no power | 00:32 |
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champus | it will be such a niice feeling wearing my bittorrent server in my trowsers pocket while it's exploiting nsa servers and sending my gps position to my friends when i'm outside but not when i'm at my friends girlfriends (excepting he is online in icq) | 00:32 |
champus | woah everything is possible | 00:32 |
RST38h | General: The way I heard it, USB host + USB charging do not work well together | 00:32 |
tbf | champus: you can zoom it with the volume keys. even 100+ cols a readable | 00:32 |
champus | wasn't this nokias quote? | 00:32 |
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RST38h | General: I have not been able to understand if it is a hardware incompatibility or the need to write firmware support | 00:33 |
champus | yeah | 00:33 |
champus | so i could keep track on our servers very comfortable | 00:33 |
SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: the USB host/device port is built into the SoC - IIRC I looked at the specs briefly a while ago, and saw no device only port. There is no simple way to break it - and having no power is functionally broken enough. | 00:33 |
RST38h | General: But it is serious enough to keep them from having host mode | 00:33 |
dmj726 | I would say that you definitely couldn't host and charge at once, but hosting while on battery is potentially another matter. | 00:33 |
SpeedEvil | champus: having stuff active all the time will kill your battery life though. | 00:33 |
champus | speedevil: right | 00:33 |
SpeedEvil | IIRC some people have managed to get it down to 2 hours. | 00:33 |
champus | speedevil: but in comparison to this crappy blackberry battery life will be endless as i read | 00:33 |
champus | whate fuck | 00:34 |
javispedro | 2 hours! | 00:34 |
champus | 2 hours sucks | 00:34 |
dmj726 | yeah, but a power injected flash drive shouldn't be too bad | 00:34 |
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SpeedEvil | That's 2 hours using it as a modem through bluetooth | 00:34 |
SpeedEvil | and transferring files through 3G I think | 00:34 |
dmj726 | n900 at only 2 hours! | 00:34 |
dmj726 | :o | 00:34 |
SpeedEvil | It's _not_ 2 hours normal use | 00:34 |
champus | hm... what do you think, how long will the battery stand doing some usual internet surfing, listening to music and chatting? | 00:34 |
luke-jr | SpeedEvil: active network is normal use for me | 00:34 |
javispedro | sounds way too low even for extreme use. | 00:34 |
champus | standard smartphone use | 00:34 |
SpeedEvil | javispedro: I forget who it was. | 00:35 |
GeneralAntilles | I haven't managed to hit 2 hours even with playing video. | 00:35 |
SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: radio can use lots of power at edge of coverage | 00:35 |
dmj726 | managed to hit below 6? | 00:35 |
GeneralAntilles | I get about 8-16 hours heavy to medium usage. | 00:35 |
javispedro | I can manage nearly 3-4 hours with the n810 stuck in a reboot loop, and my battery IS bad (confirmed in the reboot loop thread) | 00:35 |
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champus | nice | 00:35 |
luke-jr | javispedro: what? my N810 can't even last 3 hours idle. | 00:35 |
champus | will it be possible to change the battery with a better one (if a better one gets released)? | 00:35 |
javispedro | your definition of idle is quite interesting :) | 00:36 |
GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, that's why you don't run Gentoo. | 00:36 |
luke-jr | (where my "idle" is defined as GPS alive) | 00:36 |
javispedro | luke-jr: I get 6 hours with navicore | 00:36 |
javispedro | well, more like 5. | 00:36 |
luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: and what exactly are you blaming in Gentoo? | 00:36 |
luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: diablo kernel, note | 00:36 |
javispedro | it covered an entire 600km travel :) | 00:36 |
GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, libraries and software not optimized for power saving. | 00:37 |
johnsq | GeneralAntilles: *lol* | 00:37 |
champus | can someone explain me how to install my cracked windows xp prof. (original version) on my nokia n900? i want to play counterstrike and this doesnt work with linux, linux is so scheisse... | 00:37 |
javispedro | SoAwfulItsCool | 00:38 |
dmj726 | have you tried WINE in an x86 emulator? | 00:38 |
GeneralAntilles | johnsq, "lol" what? :) | 00:38 |
dmj726 | (may run slow) | 00:38 |
johnsq | GeneralAntilles: about your stupid statement | 00:38 |
champus | ok, serious question concerning my drug- and humanbusiness: is cryptoloop device and luks partition posible to integrate? | 00:38 |
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dmj726 | wasn't there news about some stupid xp phone? | 00:39 |
champus | dmj726: seriously, are there chances to run some good supported win applications with wine? lol ^^ | 00:39 |
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GeneralAntilles | johnsq, _I_ made a stupid statement? | 00:39 |
dmj726 | note at any reasonable rate | 00:39 |
champus | kk | 00:39 |
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SpeedEvil | wine+qemu may be suitable for some very, very limited apps. | 00:39 |
SpeedEvil | But you will be looking at a speed of perhaps 50MHz x86 equivalent. | 00:40 |
champus | what kind of material is the touch screen? i don't wanna have a kind of display which gets crappy when snorting chemicals from it... | 00:40 |
SpeedEvil | So functionally not. | 00:40 |
dmj726 | you would be running wine in a linux system running on an emulated x86 processor running on a 600mhz arm cpu | 00:40 |
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dmj726 | windows 3.1 is slow on n900 | 00:40 |
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champus | erm, what i really mean - does the display stand intensive all day use or does it get scraches fast? | 00:41 |
pupnik | nice background map image (from the n900 meetup page) http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/n900meetup/assets/css/bg-map.jpg | 00:41 |
GeneralAntilles | champus, as far as I can tell from using it intensely for the past couple months it's scratch-proof. | 00:41 |
champus | nice | 00:41 |
javispedro | ok, wtf. | 00:41 |
GeneralAntilles | Now, I don't put keys or used razor blades in my pocket with my N900, so. . . . | 00:41 |
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SpeedEvil | Also - IMO - a screen protector gets away from that issue. | 00:42 |
champus | and my very very last question: does it have this specific "wow" effect when you pull it out of your jeans? i mean, do even big titted girls get impressed just by the way the n900 promotes itself in your hand? | 00:42 |
javispedro | you asked that twice. | 00:42 |
champus | no | 00:42 |
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champus | i first asked if these girls would by it for their own | 00:43 |
champus | but now i want to know if it fits to my lifestyle | 00:43 |
champus | time is over were i'm hanging out with fat kernel hackers explaining them the specs of my new 10 baud modem from 1989 | 00:43 |
champus | wanna pull good working high tech out of my jeans letting all girls know bout my sexual empowerment with just one view | 00:44 |
champus | hrmpf.. kk, im stopping it | 00:44 |
champus | so, it does look good on the first view aight? | 00:44 |
Jaffa | champus: yes | 00:44 |
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dmj726 | It looks "chunky" from all accounts. | 00:45 |
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luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: where can I get these supposed patches? | 00:45 |
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champus | hm | 00:45 |
champus | if it HAS the power the chunky design announces thats okay | 00:46 |
champus | otherwise it would be a 1989' gameboy... | 00:46 |
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dmj726 | I suspect it was power. | 00:47 |
champus | are there interesting maemo projects i can put my mighty coding skillz on? | 00:47 |
dmj726 | short answer: YES. | 00:47 |
champus | something maemo specifig, don't wanna code for ported projects | 00:47 |
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luke-jr | champus: platform-specific projects are stupid | 00:48 |
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champus | luke-jr: what i meant was, i dont wanna be part in a oss project like gnu tools, kernel, firefox eg | 00:48 |
dmj726 | How about a slr-style advanced video/still camera app | 00:48 |
dmj726 | with extra controls and variable focus during the video | 00:48 |
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champus | luke-jr: better like to provide fresh software with never-seen-before-features | 00:48 |
champus | hmm | 00:48 |
champus | i hate multimedia | 00:49 |
luke-jr | champus: if you mean you want to write something closed, then I will just ignore your project completely | 00:49 |
champus | exception: porn | 00:49 |
champus | luke-jr: no, nothing closed | 00:49 |
champus | luke-jr: but something new which could be very handy having it on the n900 | 00:49 |
dmj726 | He just doesn't want to do a port of a desktop app, I think | 00:49 |
champus | luke-jr: maybe something fitting to the hardware | 00:49 |
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dmj726 | but not the awesome camera app? | 00:49 |
champus | don't know, can't imagine what would be nice to have | 00:49 |
champus | no | 00:50 |
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luke-jr | champus: I have a number of ideas, but nothing simple. | 00:50 |
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champus | for example? | 00:50 |
kynky | im thinking of doing something withh ffmpeg xcb and haskell | 00:50 |
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champus | luke-jr: im very good at doing this nasty network-systools-hacker stuff... | 00:51 |
luke-jr | champus: I would like to tell my handheld my travel plans, toss it in my pocket, and let it manage giving me directions including planning food/sleep stops. | 00:51 |
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luke-jr | champus: also mapping WiFi access points on the way, especially for areas where GSM connectivity is scarse | 00:52 |
SpeedEvil | ^open | 00:52 |
champus | luke-jr: well wifi access recording / mapping is easy possible using erm | 00:52 |
champus | what was it called | 00:52 |
SpeedEvil | Unless you use the funky new WPA vulnerability. | 00:52 |
luke-jr | champus: regarding food stops, it should have a general idea of the food pyramid to ensure I am well fed :p | 00:52 |
champus | dunno, have to look... shows every wifi access point on a map using the gps module | 00:52 |
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luke-jr | champus: kismet is barely maintained from what I can tell | 00:53 |
champus | hmm.. often used with wpareplay | 00:53 |
champus | kismet right | 00:53 |
champus | but the other way round | 00:53 |
champus | not searching for but automatically connecting to available defined spots | 00:53 |
champus | right? | 00:53 |
luke-jr | plotting their location and range on a geographical map. | 00:54 |
champus | this map stuff sucks... all the vector shit and plotting etc | 00:54 |
champus | way to much multimedia for me | 00:54 |
luke-jr | might be interesting to try to connect to them and send a packet to the GSM IP, logging the AP's WAN IP too | 00:54 |
champus | yeah | 00:54 |
champus | should be easy | 00:54 |
luke-jr | for phone-less devices, connect to and sync IMs ;) | 00:54 |
champus | this is the stuff i mean with n900 specifig | 00:55 |
champus | +specific | 00:55 |
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champus | hm | 00:55 |
luke-jr | champus: nothing N900 specific about it really | 00:55 |
luke-jr | just as applicable to a laptop | 00:55 |
luke-jr | or car computer | 00:55 |
luke-jr | or wearable | 00:55 |
champus | i could set up an alarm daemon for my media server - then i lay my n900 to the appartements front door letting it scan for new bluetooth devices | 00:56 |
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champus | if one is called "my bitch girlfriends cheap handy" it will connect to the alarm daemon and stop all porn beeing played right now | 00:56 |
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luke-jr | that's a simple project, sure | 00:56 |
champus | its simple but dude... imagine... this would be godlike | 00:56 |
luke-jr | ... | 00:56 |
luke-jr | or how about you just delete the porn and stop bragging on being a sex abuser? | 00:57 |
champus | sorry | 00:57 |
champus | its like dividing by zero | 00:57 |
champus | what does "sex" ... "abuser" mean? | 00:57 |
luke-jr | sure, sexual abuse is prevailant in modern culture, but at least some people are properly ashamed of it | 00:57 |
champus | well, people who have problems with sex shouldn't have a n900 | 00:58 |
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luke-jr | champus: there's a difference between sex and sexual abuse | 00:58 |
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champus | only people without sex should have access to the mighty forces of... a machine beeing to small for netbook and to big for smartphone | 00:58 |
champus | ahh you mean sexual harrasment? | 00:58 |
champus | raping? | 00:58 |
luke-jr | porn is about the same as rape in my eyes | 00:59 |
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champus | hm... can't really imagine how the n900 could increase my raping efficiency? | 00:59 |
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champus | but propably the hardware will make it possible somehow! | 00:59 |
champus | i love this thing | 00:59 |
RST38h | no. | 00:59 |
champus | would be also a good phone for kids btw | 00:59 |
champus | total control | 00:59 |
champus | gps tracking etc | 01:00 |
pupnik | timsamoff takes some very nice pictures! | 01:00 |
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champus | what about doing some table calculation | 01:01 |
champus | only little stuff, posting workout data into a little table | 01:01 |
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champus | kk | 01:01 |
champus | going to leave no | 01:01 |
champus | *now | 01:01 |
champus | have a nice evening :) | 01:02 |
champus | btw: androids better than maemo you faps | 01:02 |
champus | muha | 01:02 |
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javispedro | ... | 01:02 |
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qwerty12_N900 | faps? | 01:04 |
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RST38h | hm | 01:05 |
RST38h | I think it is from 4chan lingo | 01:05 |
dmj726 | It seemed he was compensating for something. | 01:07 |
GeneralAntilles | OK, 2 hours clean and feeling good. | 01:08 |
pupnik | i hope that was an unrelated thought | 01:08 |
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javispedro | this does not make any sense. when clutter "fails" its trying to convert bitmaps to rgb888 | 01:09 |
RST38h | dmj726: penis length? | 01:09 |
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dmj726 | RST38h: I'll leave it up to you to decide. | 01:09 |
RST38h | not that many alternatives when you come to think of it... | 01:10 |
javispedro | gadget size | 01:10 |
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pupnik | mhz wars | 01:12 |
RST38h | iphone? | 01:14 |
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* javispedro curses | 01:27 |
javispedro | if (cogl_check_extension ("GL_EXT_packed_pixel", gl_extensions)) | 01:27 |
javispedro | glxinfo | grep packed_pixel -> GL_EXT_packed_pixels | 01:28 |
javispedro | GL_EXT_packed_pixel*s* | 01:28 |
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javispedro | s!!!!!!!!!! | 01:28 |
pupnik | ? | 01:29 |
pupnik | hehe | 01:29 |
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javispedro | either a typo, or some gl extension that google knows only 6 hits about | 01:31 |
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javispedro | vs _packed_pixels which has 130,000 hits... | 01:32 |
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javispedro | and most of the _packed_pixel 6 hits come from maemo.org... go figure. | 01:32 |
javispedro | tada! | 01:33 |
javispedro | sdk color issue fixed. | 01:33 |
javispedro | and even optimized since there's now one less texture conversion. | 01:34 |
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lcuk | hahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AM6AN1hTCY | 01:34 |
lcuk | javispedro, check this | 01:34 |
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ccooke | Evening, all | 01:38 |
javispedro | evening | 01:38 |
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Macer | hm | 01:46 |
lcuk | hi ccooke | 01:48 |
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* lcuk is full of pizza | 01:52 |
* SpeedEvil cures VDVsx's boredom. | 01:52 |
* SpeedEvil puts away the petrol can and lighter. | 01:52 |
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* lcuk talks to the pizzabox | 01:52 |
lcuk | shit!" | 01:52 |
lcuk | wrong way round | 01:52 |
* javispedro finally sees the HildonAwesomeButton or whatever its called in awesome blue, and not awful Ubuntu orange. | 01:54 |
lcuk | +1 | 01:54 |
VDVsx | lcuk, I don't need to be recycled yet, I still have around 5 years of guarantee ;) | 01:54 |
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lcuk | lol | 01:54 |
lcuk | mmm my a key is sticking | 01:55 |
* lcuk will clean and oil it tomorrow | 01:55 |
Proteous | which key? | 01:56 |
lcuk | my a key | 01:57 |
lcuk | like i sid | 01:57 |
lcuk | see | 01:57 |
GeneralAntilles | pupnik, sorry, free of Talk. :P | 01:57 |
GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, howdy, successor. :P | 01:57 |
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VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, what I did now ? | 01:58 |
dmj726 | n900 <a> key? | 01:58 |
GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, nothing, we just decided that you're the new me and gcobb is the new Jaffa. ;) | 01:58 |
VDVsx | lolol | 01:58 |
VDVsx | no one picked PB ? :P | 01:58 |
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GeneralAntilles | I might nominate lardman for that one. ;) | 01:59 |
ccooke | GeneralAntilles: Who are you, then? | 02:00 |
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GeneralAntilles | ccooke, I'm me. | 02:00 |
GeneralAntilles | Founding members don't have precursors. :P | 02:00 |
VDVsx | texrat also needs precursor then ;) | 02:00 |
ccooke | GeneralAntilles: so you're last year's model? :-) | 02:01 |
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GeneralAntilles | ccooke, indeed. ;) | 02:01 |
GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, probably timsamoff. | 02:02 |
javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1537&action=diff | 02:02 |
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javispedro | ^^^or how I fixed the orange colors in SDK. | 02:02 |
* javispedro sighs | 02:02 |
GeneralAntilles | There, there, javispedro. | 02:03 |
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* javispedro is bored now too. | 02:05 |
GeneralAntilles | Kill some time! http://altitudegame.com/ | 02:05 |
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pupnik_ | is this the Serge we know from Maemo? Augmented Reality Tower Defense for N97 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyWVH6jkDHg | 02:15 |
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javispedro | GeneralAntilles: not bad! though I wonder if fullscreen Java applets won't cause havoc. | 02:19 |
GeneralAntilles | javispedro, wish it were open source and not Java. | 02:19 |
GeneralAntilles | Although trying to control it on the N900 would be hell. | 02:19 |
javispedro | well, gnite | 02:20 |
GeneralAntilles | Night | 02:20 |
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pupnik_ | do we expect android crapplets will run on n900? | 02:27 |
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GeneralAntilles | If somebody ports the framework. | 02:28 |
GeneralAntilles | I'd just as soon hope they don't. | 02:28 |
GeneralAntilles | Don't want an OS/2 situation. ;) | 02:28 |
pupnik_ | mhm | 02:28 |
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acidjazz | for hte love of all tahts holy | 03:31 |
acidjazz | when is the freaking n900 going to ship already | 03:31 |
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pupnik_ | when its ready | 03:34 |
pupnik_ | third week nov i think | 03:34 |
GAN900 | acidjazz, should be soon. | 03:35 |
pupnik_ | btw, get a screen protector | 03:35 |
pupnik_ | :/ | 03:35 |
acidjazz | well how about i dont drop my phone :) | 03:35 |
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GAN900 | pupnik, what'd you do? | 03:43 |
pupnik_ | must have set it face-down onto sand and rolled it around a while | 03:43 |
pupnik_ | looks it | 03:44 |
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GAN900 | lol | 03:44 |
pupnik_ | one sand piece | 03:44 |
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GAN900 | I'm hopinh Boxwave will have a protector out soon. | 03:44 |
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pupnik_ | summit was fun | 03:45 |
pupnik_ | i want to do more meetups | 03:45 |
pupnik_ | code vacation | 03:45 |
GAN900 | I want to get one in Canada next year. | 03:46 |
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pupnik_ | mhm | 03:47 |
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GeneralAntilles | Nearly 5 hours clean! | 03:51 |
dmj726 | of what? | 03:53 |
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GeneralAntilles | Talk. | 03:56 |
dmj726 | ah | 03:56 |
dmj726 | I just made a graph of iphone apps vs popularity | 03:57 |
lcuk | |____ | 03:57 |
dmj726 | Nothing is visibly used after the top 1% | 03:57 |
dmj726 | pretty good approximation. | 03:58 |
lcuk | but thats ok | 03:58 |
lcuk | app stores arent useful for everyone | 03:58 |
lcuk | there are more vertical market apps in the world than popular ones | 03:58 |
dmj726 | Shows how the app store isn't a very good business plan for developers | 03:58 |
lcuk | the person that makes a generic hobby spotting (birdwatching/trainwatching/mushroomhunting/fishing) engine will do well | 03:59 |
lcuk | it can be | 03:59 |
* lcuk coughs @ fiferboy | 03:59 |
dmj726 | lcuk: that's a great n900 app idea! | 03:59 |
lcuk | yeah fiferboy already has most of his engine | 03:59 |
lcuk | and he needs to make it generic | 04:00 |
lcuk | and then it can be used for any hobby | 04:00 |
lcuk | theres 100 apps | 04:00 |
lcuk | so 100 of the lowly apps which each have 1000 users... | 04:01 |
GeneralAntilles | I'd like to see that graph correlated with price. | 04:01 |
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CutMeOwnThroat | would the average iphone user install any additional software anyway? | 04:16 |
CutMeOwnThroat | or would that be "too complicated" | 04:16 |
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GeneralAntilles | Yuck | 04:42 |
GeneralAntilles | The Sholes has really sharp edges on its slide. | 04:42 |
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samad | i am confused Maemo_5_developer guide uses csp_filter = gst_element_factory_make("ffmpegcolorspace", "csp_filter"); for camera but https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/branches/fremantle-sdk-testing/maemo-examples/example_camera.c dont use | 04:48 |
samad | anybody ? any help ? | 04:51 |
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pupnik_ | hilighting text is really stylus work | 05:46 |
pupnik_ | yaay for resistive screen | 05:46 |
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GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, shift+arrow keys. | 05:48 |
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pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: is that implemented somewhere in maemo5? | 05:49 |
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GeneralAntilles | Most text areas. | 05:50 |
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vladovg | hi all | 06:10 |
vladovg | :) | 06:10 |
vladovg | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735&highlight=opengl | 06:10 |
vladovg | traing to install this | 06:10 |
vladovg | but ay am stuck | 06:10 |
vladovg | mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p3 | 06:10 |
vladovg | and its gev my a error | 06:11 |
pupnik_ | YOUTUBE on N800, N810: mytube users can append +"&fmt=6" to searchstring and the tubes will play smoothly even while downloading | 06:11 |
lcuk | vladovg, b-man isnt around now, but hes obviously the best person to ask | 06:11 |
pupnik_ | what error vladovg | 06:11 |
vladovg | bin/sh: mkfs.ext3: not found | 06:11 |
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vladovg | its sompting wit the IT | 06:12 |
pupnik_ | perhaps you need to install a package to get ext3 | 06:12 |
vladovg | ? | 06:12 |
vladovg | hmm | 06:12 |
vladovg | tink its comming strath wit the diablo | 06:13 |
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vladovg | google it but nothing about | 06:13 |
pupnik_ | ok i look | 06:13 |
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pupnik_ | mkfs -t ext3 ? | 06:15 |
pupnik_ | does that work? | 06:15 |
vladovg | yes | 06:15 |
vladovg | o noo | 06:15 |
vladovg | ay did not test this | 06:16 |
vladovg | moment | 06:16 |
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vladovg | bin/sh: mkfs: not found | 06:17 |
vladovg | :( | 06:17 |
vladovg | mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 06:17 |
vladovg | mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p2 | 06:17 |
vladovg | worcking fine | 06:17 |
pupnik_ | ok found it | 06:18 |
vladovg | but no luck for ext3 | 06:18 |
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pupnik_ | install console-toolÃs | 06:20 |
pupnik_ | install console-tools | 06:20 |
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vladovg | just apt-get | 06:20 |
vladovg | ? | 06:20 |
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pupnik_ | yeh | 06:22 |
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vladovg | giv my the package is missing | 06:22 |
vladovg | and ay have all aveilable packege sources on the web for maemo | 06:23 |
pupnik_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714&highlight=mkfs.ext3 | 06:23 |
pupnik_ | use t.m.o. search also | 06:24 |
vladovg | mm | 06:25 |
vladovg | so ay need to install Bootmenu | 06:25 |
pupnik_ | i maybe was wrong sorry | 06:25 |
pupnik_ | that threas should help | 06:26 |
vladovg | to get the ext3 | 06:26 |
vladovg | wrong fo console-tools | 06:26 |
vladovg | ? | 06:26 |
pupnik_ | sec | 06:28 |
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pupnik_ | web is so slow! | 06:29 |
pupnik_ | stealing my time... | 06:29 |
Vulcanis | the web is always stealing your time | 06:30 |
vladovg | hah its some true in yo words | 06:32 |
vladovg | :) | 06:32 |
pupnik_ | vladovg, i am waiting for a search result from http://gronmayer.com/it maemo repository search | 06:32 |
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vladovg | ay am thear wath eksakli yu search | 06:34 |
vladovg | nothig found for ext3 | 06:35 |
vladovg | in gronmayer | 06:35 |
pupnik_ | apt-get install e2fsprogs | 06:36 |
pupnik_ | that is it, i forgot | 06:36 |
pupnik_ | cheers | 06:37 |
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vladovg | it on qole repo | 06:37 |
vladovg | :) | 06:37 |
vladovg | thak yu veri mach for helping | 06:38 |
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pupnik_ | the force is strong with this... qole... | 06:41 |
vladovg | hah worck like a charm now | 06:42 |
vladovg | :) | 06:42 |
pupnik_ | tell us how ubuntu works for you | 06:42 |
vladovg | maibi ay will need more help lit dis ubuntu install | 06:42 |
pupnik_ | yes | 06:42 |
vladovg | ay did not anderstan from wear did ay get the boot menu | 06:43 |
pupnik_ | flasher or from a command on device | 06:43 |
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pupnik_ | and how are you communicating from chaucer's england? | 06:45 |
pupnik_ | "Whan that apryl, with his shores soute, the drought of march hath perced to the roote. and bathed every veyne in sweet liqueur..." | 06:46 |
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wazd | mornin' everyone | 06:47 |
vladovg | good morning | 06:47 |
vladovg | pupnik_ | 06:47 |
pupnik_ | moo | 06:47 |
vladovg | wich wai is the isiest to set up boot | 06:47 |
vladovg | menu | 06:47 |
pupnik_ | i only did it once. | 06:48 |
samad | i am implementing camera for n900 to take a pic i can't understand csp_filter = gst_element_factory_make("ffmpegcolorspace", "csp_filter"); | 06:48 |
pupnik_ | csp is camera streap processor? | 06:49 |
pupnik_ | csp is camera stream processor? | 06:49 |
samad | Maemo_5_SDK user manual uses csp_filter = gst_element_factory_make("ffmpegcolorspace", "csp_filter"); but fremental sdk camera example dont use this | 06:50 |
samad | so i am confuse | 06:50 |
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DerSaidin | that appears to be a filter | 06:54 |
DerSaidin | it might not be required to apply any filters | 06:54 |
samad | when i initialize pipeline the following error occure GST_MESSAGE_ERROR message_str = : gstbasesrc.c(2551): gst_base_src_start (): /GstPipeline:pipeline/GstV4l2CamSrc:camera_src: | 06:54 |
samad | Check your filtered caps, if any | 06:54 |
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vladovg | hoooh | 06:57 |
vladovg | downloading the image now | 06:57 |
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vladovg | ay dont see in the Installation description how to set up the boot menu | 06:58 |
vladovg | or its not shown ever in the page | 06:59 |
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samad | what is the video source name of N900 ?? | 07:13 |
samad | "v4l2camsrc" or ?? | 07:14 |
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vladovg | so | 07:28 |
vladovg | ay got to the | 07:28 |
vladovg | Last we need to install sys-env-* to finish the installation of the system, there are currently two options: | 07:28 |
vladovg | did ay install this in diablo Xterm | 07:29 |
vladovg | ? | 07:29 |
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vladovg | and how to boot in the Ubuntu | 07:29 |
vladovg | after all this | 07:30 |
vladovg | :) | 07:30 |
vladovg | Assuming you've chosen sys-env-x, run the following while chrooted in ubuntu | 07:30 |
vladovg | so it is in ubuntu xterm | 07:30 |
vladovg | hmm so now ay nedd to boot up in the ubuntu | 07:31 |
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vladovg | but how | 07:31 |
vladovg | ? | 07:31 |
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* |R hopes that some next update to Maemo will scrap busybox for the real thing now that we will have at least 32GB! | 07:35 |
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vladovg | some one | 07:37 |
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* brbrbr is away: I'm busy | 07:49 |
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Macer | n900 in 10 days? | 08:00 |
Macer | is that rumor true? | 08:00 |
Macer | they are releasing in 10 days | 08:00 |
tigert | you'll know the answer in ... 10 days! ;) | 08:03 |
GeneralAntilles | Macer, if you can catch tigert you might be able to get it out of him. :P | 08:04 |
tigert | i am too lazy to read those powerpoints anyway ;) | 08:04 |
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Macer | haha | 08:22 |
* Macer already has his debit card ready | 08:22 |
Macer | i will buy one a couple weeks afterwards | 08:22 |
Macer | because i got a touchbook and preordering will never be an option ever again :) | 08:23 |
Stskeeps | that long wait? | 08:25 |
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RST38h | Chinese bureaucrats are battling each other for the right to regulate World of Warcraft. They hope to gain the political clout and the revenue that comes along with controlling a new industry with potential for explosive growth. | 08:43 |
RST38h | Hohoho | 08:43 |
brbrbr | move to point blank ;) | 08:44 |
brbrbr | or Eve | 08:45 |
brbrbr | from weak democracy to complete dictatorship ;) | 08:45 |
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Jaffa | Morning, all | 08:51 |
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luke-jr | brbrbr: democracy? when did China cease to be communism? | 08:55 |
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brbrbr | why you not ask, what to order turned USA himself, starting exploiting concntration camps labor in 198x ? p.s. let alone "free economical zomes" eupemerism to politicians | 08:57 |
brbrbr | sucking blood from [already overopressed]countrises is not good exmaple for other contries, IMO. and no, i can't call this DENOCRACY | 08:57 |
brbrbr | stop blocking Veimar-Vennic fix! let Americans work for americans and communists lay in own shit | 08:59 |
Stskeeps | O_o | 09:00 |
vladovg | can some one show mi how to config boot menu | 09:01 |
vladovg | to boot up ubuntu | 09:02 |
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luke-jr | brbrbr: wtf are you talking about? | 09:07 |
luke-jr | America was never a democracy, either. | 09:07 |
brbrbr | AMerica was pawn of same circles , whose made USSR and some other "events" | 09:08 |
brbrbr | point is there is no such thing as "democracy" | 09:08 |
brbrbr | its like "good" and "Evil" concept | 09:08 |
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brbrbr | and work same way. in people's hearts | 09:08 |
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brbrbr | and exploited too. sadly | 09:08 |
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* Stskeeps glances at laptops to buy | 09:12 |
Stskeeps | lenovo still decent quality? :P | 09:13 |
RST38h | Nooooo | 09:14 |
RST38h | AVOID. | 09:14 |
luke-jr | LOL | 09:14 |
Stskeeps | well my wife's laptop has been through so much abuse :P | 09:15 |
Stskeeps | RST38h: what would you recommend then? | 09:15 |
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Stskeeps | and no, not a nokia booklet. | 09:15 |
Stskeeps | :P | 09:15 |
luke-jr | Stskeeps: not a N900? | 09:15 |
luke-jr | see, even you agree the N900 does not satisfy what is needed! | 09:15 |
Stskeeps | i have a loaner n900 and will buy one | 09:15 |
Stskeeps | luke-jr: i need to do a lot of cross-compilation and n900 isn't entirely good for that :P | 09:16 |
luke-jr | Stskeeps: ssh somewhere | 09:17 |
RST38h | Sts: I am buying Toshiba Porteges | 09:17 |
RST38h | Sts: They are pretty decent, and the hardware is dumb enough to use generic drivers | 09:17 |
Stskeeps | luke-jr: when dealing with 400+ mb images to transfer, sshing isn't an option.. | 09:17 |
RST38h | Sts: People say HP is ok, although not all models | 09:17 |
Stskeeps | yeah but with a lot of crapware on it.. | 09:18 |
Stskeeps | not that i'm not going to install linux anyway | 09:19 |
RST38h | Sts: They all come with crapware, the question is whether you can remove it or not | 09:19 |
luke-jr | Stskeeps: rsync while it builds | 09:19 |
RST38h | Sts: Lenovo's crapware cannot be easily removed as you won't be able to use some of the hardware if you remove it | 09:19 |
Stskeeps | dell is something i want to avoid though.. i am sure it's mishandling of the fan made me unable to have children | 09:20 |
RST38h | Sts: Toshibas can be cleaned up with few ill effects, usually. | 09:20 |
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Stskeeps | basically i just need a workhorse that sits in a corner and has usb keyboard, mouse and screen connected :P | 09:20 |
dmj7261 | Linux is the ultimate anti-crapware | 09:20 |
RST38h | Sts: What is your target size/weight? | 09:21 |
Stskeeps | weight is not too important.. less than 4 kg :P | 09:21 |
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luke-jr | Stskeeps: literally? | 09:21 |
RST38h | Sts: Maybe go for a Shuttle? | 09:22 |
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Stskeeps | RST38h: that box pc thing? no, need to take it travelling :P | 09:22 |
RST38h | ok | 09:22 |
* Stskeeps ponders mbp.. :P | 09:22 |
RST38h | Dell XPS looks usable | 09:22 |
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RST38h | Sony has got the same problems with crapware as Lenovo, but may have got a bit better now, not sure. | 09:23 |
GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ritzy. :P | 09:23 |
GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, but not worth it unless you're actually going to run OS X. | 09:23 |
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vladovg | cd /etc/bootmenu.d | 09:27 |
vladovg | and ay am stuck | 09:28 |
vladovg | ITEM_NAME="Jaunty on internal card, p3" | 09:28 |
vladovg | ITEM_ID="Jaunty on internal, p3" | 09:28 |
vladovg | ITEM_DEVICE="mmcblk0p3" | 09:28 |
vladovg | ITEM_MODULES="mbcache jbd ext3" | 09:28 |
vladovg | ITEM_FSTYPE="ext3" | 09:28 |
vladovg | ITEM_FSOPTIONS="noatime,ro" | 09:28 |
vladovg | ITEM_LINUXRC="linuxrc" | 09:28 |
vladovg | how to put all this in the directori | 09:28 |
Stskeeps | make a file jaunty.item | 09:28 |
Stskeeps | and put that in there | 09:28 |
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Stskeeps | hm, guess it would be handy to have a machine with SD reader | 09:29 |
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vladovg | how to mace the file | 09:29 |
vladovg | ay am a big noob to unix | 09:30 |
Stskeeps | vi? :P | 09:30 |
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vladovg | my ubunto sits on external sd | 09:36 |
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vladovg | did ay have to change the Jaunty on internal card, p3 | 09:36 |
Stskeeps | instead of mmcblk0 write ${EXT_CARD} | 09:36 |
vladovg | to Jaunty on external card, p3 | 09:36 |
vladovg | ok | 09:36 |
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vladovg | but to live the p3 (partision3) | 09:38 |
vladovg | ? | 09:38 |
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vladovg | and how to save the file | 09:42 |
vladovg | ? | 09:42 |
Stskeeps | :w | 09:42 |
vladovg | :) | 09:42 |
vladovg | its not funni | 09:43 |
vladovg | :) | 09:43 |
Stskeeps | i'm not kidding | 09:43 |
Stskeeps | escape, :w | 09:43 |
Stskeeps | :wq | 09:43 |
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Stskeeps | ooh. a shop that allows me to search for serial port ability | 09:44 |
Stskeeps | i'm sold | 09:44 |
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RST38h | heh | 09:49 |
RST38h | Are there any laptops with rs232 left? | 09:49 |
Stskeeps | seemingily | 09:50 |
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pupnik_ | RST38h: do you dislike lenovo compared to ibm thinkpads, or compared to competitor notebooks? | 09:53 |
RST38h | pupnik: Both | 09:54 |
RST38h | pupnik: I disliked IBM Thinkpads for ugly, heavy design and low quality screens, but they were at least sturdy and reliable | 09:54 |
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RST38h | pupnik: Lenovo is more or less the same design, just cost-cut by a bunch of Chinese | 09:55 |
samad | what is the video source name VIDEO_SRC of N900 ? any help ? | 09:55 |
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RST38h | pupnik: It is no longer sturdy or reliable, made of cheap plastic now, etc | 09:55 |
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johnx | RST38h, some are for sure. they still make decent one though | 09:56 |
RST38h | johnx: I have seen better and worse ones, but in general they look like those chinese "N95s" and "N900s" to me | 09:56 |
pupnik_ | samad the v4l device name? | 09:56 |
samad | yes | 09:57 |
pupnik_ | i havent felt enough laptios but most feel like toys compared to thinkpads | 09:57 |
johnx | RST38h, I couldn't care less what they look like. the reality is the x series at least is still reliable and comes with an awesome keyboard | 09:58 |
RST38h | oold thinkpads, yes | 09:58 |
pupnik_ | i could google for yiu, or wat a sandwich | 09:58 |
RST38h | new thinkpads are not the same | 09:58 |
pupnik_ | eat | 09:58 |
RST38h | johnx: I have to deal with T series at work. And it sucks. | 09:58 |
johnx | RST38h, and I've gotten some good hands on time with the x200 and I'm *sold* | 09:59 |
RST38h | johnx: I am almost ready to drop mine to the floor, just to get HP as replacement | 09:59 |
johnx | but yeah, the difference between ibm's handling of the thinkpad line was that they refused to have a "budget" model | 09:59 |
johnx | but lenovo is putting together a whole spectrum | 09:59 |
pupnik_ | hp/compaq tc4200 / 4400 look interesting against x41t / x61t | 09:59 |
RST38h | johnx: Not buying any of 'em | 10:00 |
* RST38h is used to Porteges now | 10:00 |
johnx | RST38h, I'm not selling you one :) | 10:00 |
johnx | if I'm selling you one you'll see the little "the following IRC message is a paid advertisement for Lenovo (R) ThinkPads" message scroll by | 10:01 |
pupnik_ | anybody here used several x-series thinkpads? | 10:01 |
pupnik_ | i heat x6? with IPS display is nice | 10:01 |
pupnik_ | hear | 10:01 |
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vladovg | hm my again | 10:04 |
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vladovg | after mace the jaunty and editet | 10:04 |
vladovg | its not shown in the bootloader menu | 10:05 |
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javispedro | heya | 10:56 |
javispedro | there's a rumour now about it being released in less than 10 days... all fansites are exploding in craze and agony | 10:56 |
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Stskeeps | 10..9..8...7...6..5..4..3..2...1..boom | 10:57 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:57 |
javispedro | yes... | 10:58 |
javispedro | less time for something 3d capable! | 10:58 |
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javispedro | and to think I hoped the TI 3D drivers would come first :( | 10:58 |
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javispedro | hey, the Hermes logo is cool. | 11:00 |
javispedro | there's that quite noticeable missing alpha component in the HildonButtons though :( | 11:00 |
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pupnik_ | yes | 11:01 |
pupnik_ | ui guideline strikes? | 11:02 |
javispedro | I guess more like a limitation of sapwood... | 11:02 |
javispedro | (but I dunno) | 11:02 |
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javispedro | maybe the HildonAwesomeButtons are transparent. Either way I think they befit the interface better. | 11:03 |
pupnik_ | i think the whole shebang came together nice for team maemo, and congratulations are in order. | 11:03 |
pupnik_ | javispedro - i know why the caged bird sings ;) | 11:04 |
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javispedro | :) | 11:05 |
javispedro | pupnik_: how's your loan? still bricked? | 11:05 |
johnx | mmm...qt means no more sapwood, doesn't it? :D | 11:05 |
javispedro | jonhx: unless they use QGtkStyle :evil: | 11:06 |
johnx | Noooooooo.... *does the luke skywalker fall-off-the-ledge thing* | 11:07 |
pupnik_ | can i put 3.9v DC to battery for a couple hours? | 11:07 |
pupnik_ | lol | 11:07 |
javispedro | hehe | 11:07 |
johnx | pupnik_, what's put to it during charging? | 11:07 |
pupnik_ | dont know - apparently mine isnt getting a charge now | 11:08 |
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johnx | charging at a fixed voltage will probably kill it in a fiery way | 11:09 |
pupnik_ | sad... if a computer needs its OS running to charge its battery | 11:09 |
pupnik_ | ok | 11:09 |
johnx | agreed\ | 11:09 |
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javispedro | pupnik_: pity :( | 11:10 |
pupnik_ | maybe a drm feature? | 11:10 |
johnx | ahaha...prevents you from using unauthorized electrons | 11:10 |
javispedro | and charging in authorized countries. | 11:10 |
pupnik_ | :) no. do-not-charge-lockout | 11:10 |
johnx | javispedro, eh. they already screwed up there by enabling charge from usb | 11:11 |
* javispedro smells business plan | 11:11 |
* pupnik_ smells *something* | 11:11 |
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pupnik_ | ah yes. i love the smell of hot rampant speculation in the morning! | 11:12 |
* pupnik_ inhales deeply | 11:12 |
johnx | yeah it goes like this: controlling charging through software is cheaper than having a dedicated hardware component | 11:12 |
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pupnik_ | are nokia replacement batteries delivered with charge? i can order a spare BL-5J. | 11:15 |
johnx | they have some charge usually | 11:15 |
johnx | maybe 40% | 11:15 |
pupnik_ | roger | 11:15 |
javispedro | or probably | 11:16 |
javispedro | you can take it to a nokia store and have it charged | 11:16 |
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pupnik_ | wsis the cell radio modulated by software also? | 11:17 |
pupnik_ | how | 11:17 |
pupnik_ | i dont usually see chargers for such batteries | 11:17 |
pupnik_ | but good call | 11:17 |
javispedro | there are I'm sure | 11:17 |
javispedro | but I guess it depends on the mood of the clerk | 11:17 |
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javispedro | I guess this marks the end of the night shift | 11:18 |
javispedro | ::) | 11:18 |
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javispedro | ok, according to lwn, the n900' baseband does not use Hayes commands | 11:34 |
javispedro | s/ok/oh | 11:34 |
Stskeeps | no, but check cellmo-icp82-headers | 11:34 |
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tekojo | pupnik_ what's the battery story? | 11:59 |
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pupnik_ | i think it doesnt charge | 12:01 |
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wazd | you wouldn't fucking beleive it | 12:09 |
wazd | No way | 12:09 |
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wazd | It's a joke | 12:09 |
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Stskeeps | mm? | 12:10 |
anvith3 | Any body here worked on flite | 12:11 |
Stskeeps | wazd: army playing you again? | 12:11 |
wazd | I came to take my release blank to send it to passport bureau and they said "you know, we think that those doctor summaries bout your health are fake and we need to investigate it" | 12:13 |
anvith3 | Flite is working on my n810 but there's a lag. Is there any text to speech voice syntesizer? | 12:14 |
Stskeeps | wazd: russia is truely fucked up.. | 12:14 |
wazd | I just have no words to comment it | 12:14 |
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anvith3 | The lag is a good 5 seconds sometimes | 12:14 |
Stskeeps | wazd: you should have asked on what basis | 12:16 |
Stskeeps | and threatened to sue them :P | 12:16 |
wazd | I asked | 12:16 |
wazd | And threatened | 12:16 |
wazd | The case is: 4 years stomatology doctor at the army dep was writing that I'm ok | 12:17 |
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wazd | And now, after my pressure and independent analysis he wroteathat I'm not | 12:18 |
wazd | And they said that this is actually my problem, not theirs | 12:19 |
Stskeeps | i would sue at this point :P | 12:19 |
wazd | Bitches | 12:19 |
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wazd | After I said that I'm gonn sue them they told that I'm inadequate and they will call police and psycho | 12:20 |
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Stskeeps | psycho? nothing insane in wanting to get out of the army :P | 12:20 |
wazd | I said that I just passed psycho - I'm ok) | 12:21 |
wazd | He threatened that it can be changed | 12:21 |
wazd | Now I'm waiting for my doctor to get a copy of my diagnosis to be safe | 12:22 |
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wazd | But it's the most ridiculous fuck up I've EVER faced on this planet | 12:23 |
pupnik_ | anvith3: that is longer than my delay on 770 | 12:24 |
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pupnik_ | flite on 770 managed short three word bursts with < 1 second delay | 12:24 |
Stskeeps | wazd: so if you suddenly disappear it's cos they took you to bootcamp? | 12:25 |
pupnik_ | what length input text? | 12:25 |
anvith3 | For one or 2 words it gave about 2 sec | 12:26 |
anvith3 | Longer sentence takes longer | 12:26 |
pupnik_ | wazd, that is the nature of government | 12:26 |
wazd | Stskeeps: more probably I've blown up their office with expllosive belt | 12:26 |
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anvith3 | I installed the flite-multi.deb from penguin*'s website | 12:27 |
RST38h | wazd: AGAIN? | 12:27 |
anvith3 | I dont remember his full id | 12:27 |
RST38h | Noooo not again? | 12:27 |
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pupnik_ | be smart wazd | 12:27 |
wazd | RST38h: yes, yes :D | 12:27 |
pupnik_ | penguinbaut? | 12:28 |
pupnik_ | bait | 12:28 |
anvith3 | Yes | 12:28 |
anvith3 | Yes | 12:28 |
anvith3 | :) | 12:28 |
anvith3 | Is there any other package that is optimized | 12:28 |
pupnik_ | do you have browser open? | 12:28 |
pupnik_ | memory full? | 12:29 |
anvith3 | I have an idea of developing a text to sppech app | 12:29 |
anvith3 | No | 12:29 |
anvith3 | Memory i'll have to chech | 12:29 |
pupnik_ | i look here | 12:29 |
anvith3 | Check | 12:29 |
wazd | RST38h: dunno what to do, laugh or cry | 12:29 |
anvith3 | How do i do that? | 12:29 |
anvith3 | Check the memory i mean | 12:29 |
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Stskeeps | wazd: you can write a book about it | 12:30 |
pupnik_ | free or top | 12:30 |
wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, I have exactly same feeling bout it)) | 12:31 |
wazd | But it would be in science fiction category | 12:31 |
pupnik_ | i do not have a flite build here. another user wanted faster text to speech. his company made some custom health care application | 12:31 |
anvith3 | Hmmm | 12:31 |
wazd | Cause it's just impossible to happen in the real life | 12:31 |
anvith3 | Do u remember who that was | 12:32 |
tekojo | pupnik_ does the device boot up if connected to charger? | 12:32 |
anvith3 | How do u check the memory in use and free memory? | 12:32 |
pupnik_ | anvith3: problem is the sentence parser needs to read whole sentence to decide how to speak the text, and i think it builds the whold output at once | 12:32 |
anvith3 | Yes | 12:33 |
wazd | It should be started with bohemian rhapsody initial words | 12:33 |
pupnik_ | tekojo: tries to then hangs | 12:33 |
anvith3 | That much i understood | 12:33 |
pupnik_ | so öaybe if you can handle robot volice... | 12:33 |
pupnik_ | it can read phoneme-by-phoneme | 12:33 |
wazd | Is this the real life, is this just fantasy, caught in a landslide and no escape from reality | 12:34 |
pupnik_ | they will not let me go! | 12:34 |
pupnik_ | no! no! no! | 12:34 |
wazd | Yeah yeah)) | 12:34 |
RST38h | wazd: Get a lawyer. | 12:35 |
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wazd | Just gotta get out, just gotta get right out of here :D | 12:35 |
pupnik_ | and the best part wazd - those jerks actually have people worshipping them. lol | 12:35 |
RST38h | wazd: Although I guess that bringing them a shitload of paper showing that they have previously cleared you, with huge stamp marks, will do the trick | 12:35 |
RST38h | They may not believe the doctors, but they have to believe their own paperwork | 12:36 |
wazd | I aleady shown em THEIR paperwork | 12:36 |
anvith3 | Pupnik_ how do i check the memory usage. | 12:36 |
wazd | And they don't beleive it | 12:37 |
Stskeeps | wazd: try to hit another guy in the office when the irritating one isn't there? :P | 12:37 |
RST38h | wazd: Ask them to call whoever this paperwork originated from | 12:37 |
RST38h | Stskeeps <-- talks sense | 12:37 |
wazd | I just... meh | 12:39 |
wazd | ~ping | 12:39 |
infobot | ~pong | 12:39 |
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wazd | there's no other guy | 12:39 |
wazd | No sure if he's a guy, I think he's a fag | 12:40 |
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Stskeeps | RST38h: best way around bureaucracy is grabbing someone nicer | 12:44 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:44 |
RST38h | wazd: "...in the bad sense of the word" | 12:44 |
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w00t | wazd: if i were you, i'd go postal | 12:46 |
w00t | shoot some people, etc. | 12:46 |
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wazd | Damn, I'm so tired | 12:50 |
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wazd | The better you are in your life, the worse shit you get in return | 12:54 |
mgedmin | reverse karma | 12:55 |
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Stskeeps | wazd: it's like with the n900. pain while you wait, excellent when you get it | 12:56 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:56 |
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wazd | Hope in the end I'll get my answers | 12:56 |
wazd | Hah) | 12:56 |
wazd | Pain while you wait, pain when you don't get it -that's my case :D | 12:57 |
w00t | ^ :P | 12:57 |
wazd | Ok, I'm outta hotspot and my phone's dead, so later guys | 12:58 |
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ccooke | Morning, all | 13:08 |
mgedmin | N900 alarms have a certain flaw: | 13:09 |
mgedmin | when the sound sounds and the dialog pops up, if you ignore it for a few minutes, you're golden | 13:09 |
auenf | they wake you up? | 13:09 |
mgedmin | the alarm won't be repeated in the 10-minute snooze period | 13:10 |
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mgedmin | when you finally wake up at 10 am, you'll see the alarm dialog on the n900 still displaying 7:21 or something like that, and patiently waiting for you to press either 'snooze' or 'stop' | 13:10 |
ShadowJK | ha | 13:11 |
auenf | goto bed earlier? | 13:11 |
ShadowJK | doesn't help :) | 13:11 |
pupnik_ | N900 push: Fire-ant garage alarm assistant for N900. | 13:12 |
pupnik_ | After 3rd snooze, garage opens and fire-ants come out | 13:12 |
pupnik_ | With fire-alarm sound effect to irritate them. | 13:12 |
pupnik_ | someday i will have an idea so far off the edge of 'bad' it will wrap around to 'good' | 13:13 |
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pupnik_ | i hope | 13:13 |
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RST38h | Wow! Bug #5343 has been fixed! | 13:23 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling | 13:23 |
mgedmin | it's been fixed for ages, I understand, but we won't see the fix for a week yet | 13:24 |
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_|Nix|_ | Hey! I'm really frustrated. I've just finished setting up scratchbox and the SDK using the installer scripts, and now on the FREMANTLE_X86 target I get "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set" for everything. | 13:26 |
_|Nix|_ | WTF?! Of course it's not set! It's X86! | 13:26 |
_|Nix|_ | I don't get it. | 13:26 |
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_|Nix|_ | This has been killing me all day! | 13:26 |
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Stskeeps | what OS? | 13:28 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Not true. It has been fixed during WW44 | 13:28 |
RST38h | Nix: You may want to set it explicitely | 13:29 |
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Stskeeps | RST38h: build hildon-desktop from gitorious and you have it | 13:30 |
Stskeeps | i think | 13:30 |
RST38h | Sts" or upgrade to the latest version from the sdk repo? | 13:30 |
Stskeeps | they don't update sdk repo yet afaik | 13:31 |
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RST38h | Khertan reported a few updates there | 13:31 |
_|Nix|_ | RST38h: Set it to what? It doesn't need CPU transparency. It's x86. That's what I find so frustrating. | 13:31 |
RST38h | Nix: I dunno muchabout sb1 but it probably has some neutral setting for that | 13:31 |
Stskeeps | is it just me or is repository.* down? :P | 13:31 |
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Stskeeps | RST38h: maybe. but gitorious hildon-desktop building is not a bad bet either | 13:32 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:32 |
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_|Nix|_ | RST38h: I've tried that. can't find any. | 13:34 |
_|Nix|_ | This is really frustrating ... | 13:34 |
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RST38h | no shit... | 13:34 |
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zaheer_ | when building a package | 13:43 |
zaheer_ | fakeroot debian/rules clean | 13:44 |
zaheer_ | test -x debian/rules | 13:44 |
zaheer_ | make: *** [testdir] Error 1 | 13:44 |
zaheer_ | how do i debug that? | 13:44 |
zaheer_ | debian/rules exists | 13:44 |
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RST38h | run make with a verbose key? | 13:45 |
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zaheer_ | rules includes /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/gnome.mk | 13:47 |
zaheer_ | but that doesn't exist in my scratchbox | 13:47 |
zaheer_ | actually i lie | 13:48 |
zaheer_ | it does | 13:48 |
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zaheer_ | well i'm running dpkg-buildpackage not make | 13:49 |
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RST38h | it runs make at some point | 13:50 |
zaheer_ | chmod a+x debian/rules i think is the key | 13:52 |
zaheer_ | awesome now it is building :) | 13:53 |
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* zaheer_ just sent gstreamer0.10-plugins-ffmpeg to the autobuilder :) | 14:06 |
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bilboed-pi | zaheer_, autobuilder ? :) | 14:09 |
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zaheer_ | bilboed-pi, maemo autobuilder | 14:09 |
zaheer_ | bilboed-pi, if it succeeds it'll be in extras-devel | 14:09 |
bilboed-pi | neat | 14:09 |
zaheer_ | should quieten down people that want vlc because it plays everything :) | 14:10 |
range | :) | 14:10 |
range | Stupid thread on tmo, though. | 14:10 |
zaheer_ | bilboed-pi, do you know if our default configure flags turn off optimisations on gst-ffmpeg? | 14:11 |
zaheer_ | it'd be nice to enable the arm neon ones for maemo if they do.. | 14:11 |
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zaheer_ | range, yah people on both sides of the argument there a little over-enthusiastic :) | 14:12 |
bilboed-pi | zaheer_, it shouldn't, no | 14:12 |
zaheer_ | bilboed-pi, cool | 14:12 |
zaheer_ | i removed debian's thing for using system ffmpeg however | 14:12 |
bilboed-pi | zaheer_, but you might want to bump up to a more recent ffmpeg revision for neon optimisations | 14:12 |
zaheer_ | bilboed-pi, yah this build is just so far to check if i can actually modify a debian pkg and push into maemo, then i investigate the optimisation possibilities...i used stock 0.10.9 gst-ffmpeg for this | 14:14 |
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aol | I need to compile qt to N900 any pointers where to start? | 14:17 |
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Andy80 | hi all | 14:19 |
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zaheer_ | aol, look at qt.gitorious.org | 14:19 |
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mihu | I'm using latest Maemo SDK 5.0. I wanted to look at package hildon-thumbnail and noticed that it used libplayback. I tried "apt-get source libplayback-1-0" but it says "Unable to find a source package for libplayback". http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-binaries_explicit_armel/libplayback-1-0/0.5-21+0m5 shows that it's in the "Nokia binaries" repo. There are no sources for this repo, or? | 14:20 |
Andy80 | is there any way to automatically add a counter of elements present in a wiki table? in particular it would be useful here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend | 14:20 |
Stskeeps | mihu: correct, closed source | 14:20 |
mihu | Stskeeps: That's bad. I'm fiddling with the gstreamer installation on my N900 and things like gst-video-thumbnailerd always come into my way. | 14:21 |
Andy80 | isn't gstreamer already installed on N900? | 14:22 |
VDVsx | Andy80, like 1- name , 2 -name ? | 14:23 |
mihu | Andy80: It is. But I'm porting some GStreamer based application and play around with the system a little bit. On the lowlevel side. | 14:23 |
aol | zaheer_: ok, so I just clone the repository, and then just compile? | 14:24 |
Stskeeps | mihu: you are perfectly allowed to use libplayback-dev and libplayback though | 14:24 |
Stskeeps | it's in the nokia-binaries repo | 14:24 |
zaheer_ | aol, you probably want to compile a branch for fremantle | 14:24 |
aol | hm true | 14:24 |
Andy80 | Andy80: yes... just to have an automatic sum of people who add their name to the list | 14:25 |
mihu | Stskeeps: I wanted to have a look how libplayback interacts with gstreamer and if this is affected by the changes I do to my GStreamer installation. | 14:25 |
VDVsx | Andy80, put # in each entry | 14:25 |
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mihu | Stskeeps: I don't plan to use it. | 14:26 |
VDVsx | ~qt | 14:26 |
infobot | somebody said qt was TrollTech's QT library, available at http://www.trolltech.com | 14:26 |
Stskeeps | mihu: make a good argument for open sourcing it and submit a bug.. help us prioritise | 14:26 |
VDVsx | ~qt-maemo | 14:26 |
Andy80 | VDVsx: uhm... not working... it just write # | 14:26 |
VDVsx | infobot, Alzheimer again ? :P | 14:27 |
VDVsx | Andy80, let me try :) | 14:27 |
mgedmin | my tea! | 14:27 |
Andy80 | VDVsx: ok :) | 14:27 |
Andy80 | VDVsx: just do one, if you don't have time, I'll finish the rest :) | 14:28 |
* mgedmin thanks VDVsx for the reminder | 14:28 |
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VDVsx | Andy80, wow, what a mixture of elements in that table :P not working due to the table proprieties, I guess | 14:32 |
zaheer_ | when is the maemo site/infra going to be upgraded again? | 14:33 |
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Andy80 | VDVsx: ok, it doesn't matter, just a tentative :) | 14:33 |
Andy80 | zaheer_: you mean midgard or servers? | 14:34 |
zaheer_ | servers | 14:34 |
zaheer_ | webpages that query the builder take hours to load :) | 14:34 |
Andy80 | I did read something about "november/december" but I really don't have any confirmation | 14:34 |
Andy80 | anyway it's a known issue | 14:35 |
VDVsx | Andy80, well, try to figure out comparing to the summit agenda, there's a example the LT's row ;) | 14:35 |
zaheer_ | for anyone in london without an N900: NokiaFlagshipUK Pssst.. Have you heard? We've popped a few N900's under the counter at the Flagship Store. Come & have a play http://bit.ly/1VfR2c | 14:35 |
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Stskeeps | w00t: ^ | 14:37 |
aol | hm how do I now compile the FREMANTLE branch of qt | 14:37 |
aol | I'm able to start compiling with ./configure but I dont want to continue unless I'm sure I'm getting what I want first :) | 14:38 |
RST38h | Where do I get Maemo5 themes at the moment? | 14:38 |
VDVsx | aol, http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt | 14:38 |
aol | ah, thanks! | 14:39 |
lardman | "morning" | 14:39 |
lcuk | zaheer_, facelink comes up blank! | 14:39 |
lcuk | facebook link rather | 14:39 |
lcuk | mornin lardman | 14:40 |
VDVsx | aol, in case you need more help, the folks in #qt-maemo are willing to help you, ehehhe | 14:40 |
lardman | what's the standard way to release a debian package from an SVN repo? Create a tag/branch with the correct dir name and package that? or extract the head and do the packaging manually outside the tree? etc.? | 14:40 |
aol | VDVsx: or not ? :) | 14:41 |
mgedmin | btw when microb fails to load a page due to connectivty issues, its menu has no 'reload' button and I have tap the address bar, slide out the kbd, and press enter | 14:41 |
VDVsx | aol, nah ;) | 14:41 |
zaheer_ | lcuk, ouch let me fix it | 14:42 |
* w00t looks | 14:42 |
lcuk | which store is it? the regent street one? | 14:42 |
lcuk | hey w00t | 14:42 |
w00t | heya | 14:43 |
w00t | says so, yes | 14:43 |
* w00t wonders if he can arrange to get to london tomorrow. | 14:43 |
zaheer_ | lcuk, yep regent street one | 14:44 |
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zaheer_ | http://www.new.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=184564843816&id=66886927437 | 14:44 |
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zaheer_ | is the link it expands to | 14:44 |
VDVsx | zaheer_, is that the one near to the apple store ? :) | 14:44 |
zaheer_ | VDVsx, yep | 14:45 |
zaheer_ | also lucasr mentioned lhr store has one in store too | 14:45 |
zaheer_ | lhr t5 that is | 14:45 |
zaheer_ | for anyone travelling out of lhr t5 | 14:45 |
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lcuk | lardman, what do you mean | 14:47 |
lcuk | the packaging is normally just a debian folder isnt it | 14:47 |
RST38h | "Why You Should Think Twice Before Dating An iPhone User" (C)Gizmodo | 14:47 |
lardman | the dir needs to have the right name afaik, e.g. mbarcode-0.0.1 | 14:47 |
lcuk | zaheer_, have you also shoved a couple of Rihannas under the desk too? | 14:48 |
zaheer_ | lcuk, no did i paste wrong link again? :) | 14:49 |
lcuk | lardman, dpkg-buildpackage gives the name as a warning, what do you mean by release tho, actually making a garage release directly from it or just for you to build package with locally | 14:49 |
lcuk | lol zaheer_ no | 14:49 |
lcuk | but make sure Rihanna gets to play too | 14:49 |
zaheer_ | disclaimer: i don't work for nokia or any of their retail stores :P | 14:49 |
VDVsx | lcuk, so, there's also a Nokia flagship store in Manchester ? :P | 14:49 |
w00t | lcuk: I was just managing to totally misinterpret that as "make sure Rihanna gets played with too" | 14:50 |
lardman | lcuk: Garage release/extras-devel | 14:50 |
w00t | you can imagine the resulting confusion. | 14:50 |
RST38h | Yahoooooo! Bug #6039 has been fixed in Git! | 14:50 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6039 Hanging application menu requires system reboot | 14:50 |
lcuk | VDVsx, yes i know! | 14:51 |
zaheer_ | RST38h, yes i look forward to the release so i can get rid of the most annoying bug on my n900 | 14:51 |
VDVsx | lcuk, there's ? wow | 14:51 |
* lardman is hopeful that the tap/type through the app just after you open it will be fixed soon too | 14:51 |
* lcuk cant wait for barcamp manchester this weekend | 14:51 |
RST38h | VDVsx: If we are lucky, they may fix the PA bug! =) | 14:51 |
lardman | what's barcamp? | 14:52 |
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mgedmin | irritation #17: tap a text field, then slide open keyboard --> on screen you see the vkb showing up then disappearing | 14:52 |
lcuk | there are a couple of tickets available if people wanna come | 14:52 |
lcuk | lardman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp | 14:52 |
lcuk | an unconference | 14:52 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Ah don't be a wikipedian | 14:52 |
mgedmin | the lag makes it an irritation | 14:52 |
VDVsx | RST38h, seems that they are in bugfixing mode now :) | 14:52 |
lcuk | attendee assigned couple of days of random talks | 14:52 |
lardman | lcuk: does it have a topic? | 14:52 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Let them fix the language switch on the physical keyboard first | 14:53 |
lcuk | users make the topic | 14:53 |
mgedmin | I wish I had a language I could switch to ... | 14:53 |
lcuk | people from different backgrounds choose topics | 14:53 |
lcuk | put em on a big wall and talk about stuff | 14:53 |
RST38h | VDVsx: Have been for more than a week judging from the number of int-* bugs IDs attached to public trackers | 14:53 |
lardman | lcuk: so I could head over and chat to people about the finer details of finite difference equation modelling using CUDA? | 14:53 |
lcuk | some very different ones when i went to london | 14:53 |
lcuk | if you wanted yeah | 14:53 |
lcuk | and join in with other things | 14:53 |
lardman | but would there be anyone who knows about it was what I'm asking... | 14:54 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Well, if Lithuanian fails you, you can always default to Russian | 14:54 |
* RST38h smiles sadistically =) | 14:54 |
lardman | so there is a general topic - Linux programming, etc | 14:54 |
lcuk | at the london one, someone spoke about using bbc micro as a church organ! | 14:54 |
lardman | oh right | 14:54 |
lcuk | tech people mostly | 14:54 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Seriously though, no specific Lithuanian keyboard layout? | 14:54 |
lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33556 | 14:54 |
lardman | but computer related then? | 14:54 |
mgedmin | RST38h, worse: in older OSes I could at least enter ąčęėįšųūž with the vkb;in Maemo 5 there's no way at all to input them | 14:55 |
mgedmin | also, they removed support for windows-1257, which means I cannot read 25% of my email | 14:55 |
zaheer_ | gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg 0.10.9-1 OK | 14:55 |
lardman | ah yes, I remember reading that thread now | 14:55 |
lcuk | at the IBM one, yeah it was, i dunno about this one | 14:55 |
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lcuk | come on up for the day | 14:55 |
lardman | no time I'm afraid | 14:56 |
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RST38h | mgedmin: afaik keyboard layouts can be easily added, there is a sample package in extras too | 14:56 |
mgedmin | RST38h, woot! | 14:56 |
mgedmin | but I don't believe you :) | 14:56 |
derf | I'd rather have a Compose key. | 14:56 |
mgedmin | I think timeless discovered that the names of the layouts are hardcoded in some .so file | 14:56 |
RST38h | derf: I guess the top left key can be considered a compose key. | 14:56 |
RST38h | derf: And I think there is even a bug for that :) | 14:56 |
mgedmin | it actually is Multi_key in the xkb file | 14:57 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Oh. | 14:57 |
* timeless_mbp looks up | 14:57 |
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timeless_mbp | the names are definitely hardcoded in a .so file | 14:57 |
* RST38h considers the best way to hack in the win1257 support | 14:58 |
timeless_mbp | i didn't check the sources to see if it has extensibility points | 14:58 |
zaheer_ | ukeyboard added arabic layout | 14:58 |
timeless_mbp | zaheer_: as a soft layout or hard layout? | 14:58 |
zaheer_ | soft | 14:58 |
RST38h | mgedmin: You know, the easiest way would probably be by making the mail server convert it into utf8 | 14:58 |
timeless_mbp | we're talking about hard | 14:58 |
zaheer_ | sorry | 14:58 |
timeless_mbp | and if mgedmin wasn't clear about that, i'm sorry | 14:58 |
zaheer_ | i'll go back to sleep :) | 14:58 |
timeless_mbp | it's 5am here | 14:59 |
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mgedmin | I want three things actually: hw keyboard layout for lt, dead keys for accents used in lithuanian in the fn+ctrl popup, and vkb layout for the fullscreen vkb | 15:01 |
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serenity | hi | 15:01 |
serenity | is there a wikipage about writing widgets? | 15:01 |
RST38h | vkb layout should be doable right away | 15:01 |
mgedmin | cool | 15:02 |
RST38h | A moment, let me check the package name | 15:02 |
VDVsx | serenity, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 15:02 |
mgedmin | shame that I don't actually like the vkb... | 15:02 |
RST38h | Well, something is better than nothing | 15:02 |
mgedmin | true | 15:03 |
RST38h | The best vkb would be a semitransparent one | 15:03 |
serenity | ah, thanks VDVsx | 15:03 |
RST38h | But not gonna happen any time soon | 15:03 |
mgedmin | any Conboy developers ever played with the vkb? it's not pretty | 15:03 |
mgedmin | bullets interfere in interesting ways | 15:03 |
RST38h | mgedmin: I am getting impression that win1257 can be accommodate by a locale | 15:04 |
mgedmin | RST38h, iconv doesn't support it | 15:05 |
mgedmin | which means modest cannot display emails using it | 15:05 |
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mgedmin | and if the emails in question use base64, all I see is [?] instead of the body | 15:05 |
RST38h | Ok, let us check the kbd first... | 15:05 |
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RST38h | mgedmin: http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukeyboard/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukbdcreator/ | 15:06 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Notice that it covers BOTH virtual and physical keyboards. | 15:06 |
mgedmin | nice | 15:06 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: does it actually result in an extra row in the hg keyboard picker? | 15:07 |
RST38h | Now, gotta find how charmaps are added, can't believe iconv is not extendable | 15:07 |
mgedmin | I always knew that if I was lazy, somebody else would solve my problems | 15:07 |
timeless_mbp | iconv mostly sucks | 15:07 |
timeless_mbp | but in some cases it's extensible | 15:07 |
mgedmin | there was once more-gconv-modules which kinda used to extend iconv, if you set one environment variable | 15:07 |
timeless_mbp | often by just building w/ more modules and shipping the missing ones | 15:07 |
mgedmin | it doesn't appear to work on maemo 5 | 15:07 |
timeless_mbp | heh | 15:07 |
mgedmin | what would be needed: more .so files in /usr/lib/gconv/, and some modification of /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules | 15:08 |
RST38h | libiconv 1.9 supports win1257 | 15:08 |
mgedmin | hey, why can't I ssh to my n900 any more? | 15:09 |
timeless_mbp | did its ip change? :) | 15:09 |
mgedmin | dunno, I use mdns | 15:10 |
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mgedmin | RST38h, what's libiconv? | 15:11 |
RST38h | mgedmin: You know, given the list of encodings supported by iconv 2.5, you can probably file a bug for 1257 support | 15:11 |
RST38h | A library iconv is based on | 15:11 |
mgedmin | iconv is part of libc | 15:11 |
RST38h | mgedmin: Not on FreeBSD :) | 15:11 |
mgedmin | well, gconv is the implementation of iconv, shipped as part of glibc, and used in all linux distros, including maemo | 15:11 |
mgedmin | it supports cp1252 and a bazillion other encodings | 15:12 |
mgedmin | it's just disabled in maemo 5 for some reason | 15:12 |
mgedmin | I've already filed a bug, a few weeks ago | 15:12 |
timeless_mbp | the reason we disable stuff | 15:12 |
RST38h | mgedmin: There is no reason not to resolve it | 15:12 |
timeless_mbp | is because it eats space | 15:12 |
timeless_mbp | and no one can defend shipping it | 15:12 |
mgedmin | bug 5303 | 15:12 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5303 Enable cp1257 support in iconv | 15:12 |
RST38h | mgedmin: 1251-1254 are al supported why not 1257? | 15:12 |
timeless_mbp | the browser team looked at iconv, found the impl on maemo incredibly insufficient, and went back to nice and safe uconv | 15:13 |
timeless_mbp | (gecko's converter) | 15:13 |
mgedmin | timeless_mbp, ooh, I'm intrigued | 15:13 |
timeless_mbp | remember that code page conversions are basically incredibly huge wastes of space | 15:13 |
mgedmin | can you tell us more? | 15:13 |
timeless_mbp | they're basically data blobs | 15:13 |
timeless_mbp | and if the target market didn't seem to have any need for it | 15:13 |
RST38h | 1257 is hardly a huge waste of space, it covers 127 characters | 15:14 |
timeless_mbp | then it's very hard to justify retaining big blobs that waste space | 15:14 |
mgedmin | RST38h, CP1257.so is 12K on my laptop | 15:14 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: historically, chinese and friends are teh big offenders | 15:14 |
timeless_mbp | but 127c they may be, if they cost 12k, that's not 1k | 15:14 |
RST38h | For example, that glibc-based iconv supports a bunch of OSF* conversions that nobody has heard about probably since DEC times | 15:14 |
timeless_mbp | and it probably doesn't compress well | 15:14 |
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timeless_mbp | "that" == ? | 15:15 |
w00t | it doesn't really matter how much it is, if there's very little to no use case for it, then it makes sense to trim it and stick something more desired there in the space left | 15:15 |
timeless_mbp | anyway, w00t understands the reason | 15:15 |
timeless_mbp | again, i don't care | 15:15 |
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timeless_mbp | the browser team ran into this problem and worked around it | 15:16 |
timeless_mbp | plus we didn't want to have to fight to maintain it | 15:16 |
mgedmin | ah, so the problem is lack of coverage | 15:16 |
mgedmin | and not other implementation details | 15:16 |
timeless_mbp | ? | 15:16 |
RST38h | w00t: ~7 million people | 15:16 |
timeless_mbp | depends on who and what | 15:16 |
mgedmin | when you mentioned iconv was incredibly insufficient, I assumed dunno, algorithmic reasons | 15:16 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: in a world with what, 5 trillion people? | 15:16 |
mgedmin | lack of detection, error recovery, things like that | 15:16 |
mgedmin | dunno why I assumed that | 15:16 |
RST38h | iconv -l shows support for some encodings that are not even used by 7 million people | 15:17 |
timeless_mbp | the question is whether those 7 million people are likely to want to buy our product | 15:17 |
timeless_mbp | if they are, then you have a much better business case | 15:17 |
timeless_mbp | if they aren't, then you don't | 15:17 |
timeless_mbp | it's very simple | 15:17 |
timeless_mbp | and if you think there are space savings to be had, file a distinct bug for a single converter and explain why no one we currently or are likely to try to sell to would care if it was removed | 15:18 |
timeless_mbp | (don't file too many at a time, but if you get one win, file another) | 15:18 |
RST38h | How many of potential Nokia customers are going to use OSF00010001 encoding? | 15:18 |
RST38h | What about OSF00010002 encoding? | 15:19 |
RST38h | These are all supported though | 15:19 |
mgedmin | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! the app-menu bug strikes again | 15:19 |
mgedmin | I cannot play with ukbdcreator | 15:19 |
RST38h | Ha ha ha ha ha | 15:19 |
timeless_mbp | mgedmin: eh? | 15:19 |
RST38h | you can invoke it from the command line | 15:19 |
timeless_mbp | which bug is this? | 15:20 |
timeless_mbp | (bugs.maemo.org url) | 15:20 |
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mgedmin | bug 6039, wasn't it? | 15:21 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6039 Hanging application menu requires system reboot | 15:21 |
timeless_mbp | osf00010001 is not googlable | 15:21 |
mgedmin | no, that's not it | 15:22 |
mgedmin | bug 5713 | 15:22 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 Cannot scroll application menu | 15:22 |
mgedmin | which is a dupe of bug 5343 | 15:23 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling | 15:23 |
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mgedmin | btw, RST38h, my comment about 5343 being fixed "ages ago" was prompted by this comment: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343#c1 | 15:23 |
povbot | Bug 5343: "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling | 15:23 |
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RST38h | mgedmin: 10-13 is something like WW43 | 15:25 |
timeless_mbp | andre__: btw | 15:25 |
timeless_mbp | your explanation of week numbers is probably dangerous | 15:25 |
timeless_mbp | there's a form of branching going on | 15:25 |
RST38h | which correlates with WW44 date given later in comments | 15:25 |
timeless_mbp | which in theory means that perhaps you're explanation won't be right :( | 15:26 |
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andre__ | timeless_mbp, yeah. and i wonder if i'm allowed to state something about potential branchings in public :-/ | 15:26 |
andre__ | but that should be only a problem for one or two weeks afaik | 15:26 |
RST38h | too late, andre | 15:26 |
* timeless_mbp ponders | 15:26 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: no, the fault is mine, not his | 15:27 |
timeless_mbp | he didn't state it | 15:27 |
RST38h | and we know about branchings anyway, Intel works similarly | 15:27 |
timeless_mbp | i think the following are known: | 15:27 |
timeless_mbp | 1. the shipping version doesn't exist | 15:27 |
timeless_mbp | (vaguely obvious, otherwise, we'd have shipped) | 15:27 |
andre__ | timeless_mbp, i also thought about this issue, but so far i only see a very small problem currently | 15:27 |
timeless_mbp | 2. we're working on a service release | 15:27 |
timeless_mbp | logical conclusion: someone is somehow branching | 15:28 |
Jaffa | And someone's working on Harmattan ;-) | 15:28 |
timeless_mbp | super-branch | 15:28 |
* timeless_mbp wonders when that leaked | 15:28 |
RST38h | Jaffa: Not until we start seeing FIXED-IN-HARMATTAN resolutions... | 15:29 |
Stskeeps | RST38h: we did already afaik | 15:29 |
RST38h | thank Murtazin | 15:29 |
mgedmin | well, all that talk about harmattan during the summit kinda implied people were already working on it rather than just talking about it | 15:29 |
mgedmin | although I assumed it only applied to qt | 15:29 |
mgedmin | downside of launching gui apps over ssh: when the connection times out, the app is killed | 15:30 |
RST38h | screen. | 15:30 |
Stskeeps | gui.. then you need NX | 15:30 |
lardman | or add an & | 15:31 |
RST38h | Low-Energy Laser Etching May Replace Fruit Labels | 15:31 |
RST38h | Tatoos next | 15:31 |
range | RST38h: The "Modest IDLE support broken" bug has a "might get a fix in harmattan but nobody knows" :) | 15:31 |
mgedmin | ukbdcreator is not exactly intuitive | 15:32 |
mgedmin | so, I've got a large text box, what do I type in it? | 15:32 |
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mgedmin | loading a default layout would be nicer | 15:32 |
Jaffa | mgedmin: Indeed, random talk at summit about Harmattan plans implied some development was happening, presumably in some components which arleady exist | 15:32 |
RST38h | range: What is modest idle? =) | 15:33 |
timeless_mbp | range: that's amusing | 15:33 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: vaporware | 15:33 |
RST38h | Jaffa: It is a non-secret really. Working on two evolutionary steps of the system at the time is a standard practice | 15:33 |
range | RST38h: IDLE support in IMAP - something like push mail done correctly :) | 15:33 |
RST38h | Oh | 15:34 |
range | timeless_mbp: Well, errm. | 15:34 |
timeless_mbp | range: fwiw... | 15:34 |
timeless_mbp | IDLE is apparently mostly useless | 15:34 |
RST38h | Jaffa: Would be more surprised if they WERE NOT working on Harmattan | 15:34 |
timeless_mbp | i think most people want NOTIFY instead | 15:34 |
timeless_mbp | i know that IDLE would be a disaster for me | 15:34 |
timeless_mbp | range: out of curiosity, how many folders does your imap account have? | 15:35 |
mgedmin | mine has less than two hundred | 15:35 |
RST38h | Jaffa: What would be really nice to know though is how many Fremantle packages are branched for Harmattan and how many are being taken from the Fremantle main trunk | 15:35 |
range | timeless_mbp: Yeah, but that is DRAFT mostly. | 15:35 |
RST38h | The more of them are branched => the less support we are gonna get for Fremantle | 15:35 |
timeless_mbp | mgedmin: less than 200 *folders* | 15:36 |
derf | I have a mere 17. | 15:36 |
range | timeless_mbp: Too many :) | 15:36 |
range | 20? 30? | 15:36 |
mgedmin | 77 | 15:36 |
timeless_mbp | well golly gee, you definitely do *not* want IDLE | 15:36 |
derf | Only 5 of which can receive mail. | 15:36 |
derf | Well, mail that I'd want to read. | 15:36 |
timeless_mbp | derf: well that's great | 15:36 |
mgedmin | 20 of which receive incoming mail | 15:36 |
derf | And yes, I know IDLE is mostly useless. | 15:36 |
timeless_mbp | you planning to write a ui to let a normal user explain to modest which folders are "interesting"? | 15:37 |
mgedmin | and I don't even know what IDLE is | 15:37 |
timeless_mbp | can you imagine our ui team trying to do that? | 15:37 |
derf | timeless_mbp: I can do it in other mail programs. | 15:37 |
derf | But no, I'm not ever planning to touch modest. | 15:37 |
RST38h | It is a pretty easy ui though | 15:37 |
timeless_mbp | derf: oh sure | 15:37 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: how would you do it? | 15:37 |
RST38h | Unless you want to comply with Maemo5 Stule Guide which limits you in all kinds of ways | 15:37 |
timeless_mbp | ... | 15:37 |
timeless_mbp | well, we're talking about fremantle ui designers | 15:38 |
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mgedmin | hey, multi-selection kinetic lists exist in maemo 5 | 15:38 |
RST38h | Show attractive list of folders and ask the user to arrange them | 15:38 |
timeless_mbp | so i think you kinda have to take that as a given | 15:38 |
mgedmin | and this is exactly what's needed for, e.g. subscribing/unsubscribing to folders | 15:38 |
derf | RST38h: I like checkboxes next to them. | 15:38 |
RST38h | If it is a bisection of interesting-vs-uninteresting, I would divide the screen in two halves, etc | 15:38 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: "arrange" is definitely not supported by maemo5 :) | 15:38 |
RST38h | Putting little stars on interesting folders will also work | 15:38 |
derf | RST38h: But things have parent/child relationships. | 15:38 |
mgedmin | trees can be flattened | 15:38 |
timeless_mbp | derf: tell me about it | 15:39 |
mgedmin | modest already does that to my folders | 15:39 |
RST38h | derf: Does not matter for this particular activity | 15:39 |
timeless_mbp | i have at least two folders named "bugzilla" | 15:39 |
derf | RST38h: Yes, it does. | 15:39 |
timeless_mbp | one of which is useless | 15:39 |
timeless_mbp | one of which is important | 15:39 |
derf | For the reason timeless_mbp just elucidated. | 15:39 |
RST38h | derf: You can show a tree and ask the user to star interesting folders | 15:39 |
derf | RST38h: Right. That was what I was suggesting. | 15:39 |
derf | And is, in fact, how other programs do it. | 15:39 |
RST38h | derf: The UI is not really a problem | 15:39 |
derf | I didn't claim it was. | 15:40 |
timeless_mbp | RST38h: can you try explaining that in 4-6 words composing a title or English sentence? | 15:40 |
timeless_mbp | "star interesting folders" doesn't cut it | 15:40 |
RST38h | derf: It is artifical lmitations enforced by Maemo5 UI people that are problem | 15:40 |
timeless_mbp | nah | 15:40 |
timeless_mbp | the maemo5 ui can definitely support it | 15:40 |
timeless_mbp | but coming up w/ decent strings is ... definitely a challenge | 15:40 |
RST38h | Ability To Mark Watched Folders | 15:40 |
RST38h | Here, Have it. | 15:40 |
timeless_mbp | and given that they've failed for much simpler strings... | 15:40 |
timeless_mbp | if "watched" isn't a technical term | 15:41 |
derf | "Mark folders to check for new mail" | 15:41 |
RST38h | It is a term people understand | 15:41 |
timeless_mbp | then you've just written something which doesn't mean anything | 15:41 |
derf | It's 7 words, but what do you want. | 15:41 |
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timeless_mbp | derf: 6 max ;-) | 15:41 |
timeless_mbp | really | 15:41 |
timeless_mbp | you have two things to deal w/ | 15:41 |
timeless_mbp | 1. a button in a menu | 15:41 |
timeless_mbp | max ~3 words | 15:41 |
timeless_mbp | 2. a title line in a "view" | 15:41 |
derf | "Folder subscriptions" | 15:41 |
timeless_mbp | that implies i can only see folders for which idle is enabled | 15:42 |
timeless_mbp | someone said 5 / 17 folders get new interesting mail | 15:42 |
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timeless_mbp | would that someone never want to read mail from the other 12? | 15:42 |
wjt | New mail subscriptions | 15:42 |
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timeless_mbp | wjt: "maybe" | 15:43 |
tigert | a friend had a good folder structure | 15:43 |
tigert | very well organized set of folder | 15:43 |
tigert | s | 15:43 |
tigert | and one which had the name "Mail I actually read" | 15:43 |
tigert | :) | 15:43 |
timeless_mbp | tigert: my folder structure suffers | 15:43 |
timeless_mbp | modest sorts alphabetically | 15:43 |
timeless_mbp | and i have a folder named "archive" | 15:43 |
timeless_mbp | so the folders i actually need to read are nowhere near inbox | 15:43 |
mgedmin | my incoming mail is in INBOX and in a bunch of folders named IN.something | 15:43 |
tigert | so name them like we used to do with MacOS9 apple menu? | 15:43 |
range | Well, a pull every 10 minutes doesn't really make it better. | 15:43 |
timeless_mbp | because my archive tree is huge | 15:43 |
mgedmin | which means I scroll halfway through the list to see them | 15:44 |
tigert | " Foobar", " Foobar" etc | 15:44 |
range | As long as I can turn off "new mail has arrived!" | 15:44 |
timeless_mbp | tigert: 1, 2, 3? | 15:44 |
tigert | or if that doesnt work, 1Foobar 2Blah 3Zoo | 15:44 |
tigert | ugly but works | 15:44 |
* timeless_mbp nods | 15:44 |
timeless_mbp | personally, i want imap subscription management | 15:44 |
timeless_mbp | but i'm using MfE not imap | 15:44 |
timeless_mbp | so.. | 15:44 |
tigert | you can use imap too afaik? | 15:44 |
tigert | exchange has imap | 15:44 |
timeless_mbp | is our imap public/ | 15:45 |
tigert | havent tried | 15:45 |
* timeless_mbp can't remember | 15:45 |
tigert | our exchange is, so... | 15:45 |
tigert | try | 15:45 |
timeless_mbp | iirc it was for about a week | 15:45 |
timeless_mbp | and then went back to not being | 15:45 |
tigert | ok | 15:45 |
tigert | use vpn? | 15:45 |
* timeless_mbp dresses up a dead body | 15:46 |
* timeless_mbp shoves it toward tigert | 15:46 |
timeless_mbp | it's not like imap actually has advantages in Modest over MfE | 15:46 |
timeless_mbp | c.f. -IDLE -NOTIFY +BANDWIDTH | 15:47 |
timeless_mbp | telnet somewhere imap4-ssl | 15:47 |
range | timeless_mbp: Ummm. Yes. I "only" have an IMAP server. | 15:47 |
timeless_mbp | Trying somewhere... | 15:47 |
timeless_mbp | telnet: connect to address somewhere: Operation timed out | 15:47 |
timeless_mbp | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host | 15:47 |
timeless_mbp | range: sorry, side discussion about a hypothetical infrastructure for a hypothetical employer | 15:48 |
range | :) | 15:48 |
timeless_mbp | note that hypothetically non MS servers can implement MfE support | 15:48 |
timeless_mbp | hypothetically there might even be a major vendor which does | 15:48 |
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* range takes out his knive to drill holes into his shinbone. | 15:49 |
range | That sounds like more fn. | 15:49 |
timeless_mbp | such a hypothetical server might not work with a released version of modest | 15:49 |
range | fnu. | 15:49 |
range | *FUN* | 15:49 |
timeless_mbp | but hypothetically that could be fixed | 15:49 |
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timeless_mbp | don't file a bug about that btw :) | 15:50 |
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mgedmin | fnu sounds like the predecessor of gnu | 15:50 |
range | fnu is not gnu is not unix? | 15:50 |
timeless_mbp | heh | 15:50 |
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wazd | bye-bye barcelona :( | 16:01 |
Anvith3 | i'm running low on internal memory on my n810. i've uninstalled all unwanted apps. how can i free up more memory. where are the temp files located? | 16:01 |
Stskeeps | wazd: :( | 16:01 |
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zaheer_ | wazd, ? | 16:02 |
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Macer | ok | 16:09 |
Macer | that's it | 16:09 |
Macer | touchbook is fail :) | 16:09 |
Macer | going to try to get android on it and if i can't i'll sell it for half the price haha | 16:09 |
Stskeeps | why is it fail? | 16:09 |
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Macer | Stskeeps: i wouldn't even know where to begin | 16:11 |
Macer | I think that it's neither software, nor hardware (in the sense of a design | 16:11 |
Macer | error). Maybe a faulty connection somewhere. I will continue investigating. | 16:11 |
Macer | that is the last bug reply i got for it randomly blanking | 16:11 |
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Macer | it just needs a good os for it but there really isn't anything out there that i can put on it that is far enough developed to work properly | 16:12 |
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Macer | Stskeeps: i am going to sell it. want to buy it for $250? you might find something good to do with it | 16:13 |
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Macer | but yeah. for me. the touchbook is a total piece of shit :) | 16:14 |
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Anvith3 | i'm running low on internal memory on my n810. i've uninstalled all unwanted apps. how can i free up more memory. where are the temp files located? | 16:15 |
Anvith3 | sorry about double post | 16:15 |
RST38h | Macer: He will put Mer on it =) | 16:15 |
RST38h | Anvith: What is internal memory? / partition? | 16:16 |
Anvith3 | my mistake i meant phone memory | 16:16 |
Macer | RST38h: i wouldn't care what he did with it. i am personally about to run it over with my car | 16:16 |
Anvith3 | the 250 mb | 16:16 |
Anvith3 | one+ | 16:16 |
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Macer | right now i am going to write a flame article on http://tech.rancorous.net | 16:17 |
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Termana | Macer - I think its better to run it over with your car than give it away, imo | 16:19 |
wazd | Macer: moblin 2.1? | 16:19 |
RST38h | Macer: Come on, at the very least it makes a nice coffee tablet decoration | 16:20 |
Termana | Don't forget to take a video | 16:20 |
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anvith3_N810 | RST38h: how do i do it? | 16:20 |
RST38h | Anvith: Uninstall some applications | 16:20 |
RST38h | Anvith: Remove unused locales | 16:21 |
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RST38h | Anvith: Simply reboot, to let the OS garbage collect | 16:21 |
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Termana | Anvith - Remember to do the madatory "bash your head against a wall". The computing gods aren't ever happy, and will never give you results unless you cause yourself pain in the process. | 16:25 |
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JamieBennett | How do you get the IMEI number from the N900? Want to put it on my insurance but it *#06# doesn't seem to work | 16:26 |
Termana | JamieBennett: Try looking under that battery | 16:26 |
Termana | the* | 16:26 |
SpeedEvil | Is it perhaps writen under the battery? | 16:26 |
zaheer_ | JamieBennett, it is in about in settings | 16:26 |
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SpeedEvil | Though *#... not working is probably a bug | 16:26 |
JamieBennett | ah, so Nokia are diverging from the standard then? or not supported yet? | 16:26 |
zaheer_ | JamieBennett, plus the battery thing everyone else said :) | 16:27 |
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zaheer_ | but yah i just checked, it is definitely in About product in the settings app | 16:27 |
JamieBennett | zaheer_ wins for easy of finding out, thanks | 16:27 |
JamieBennett | wow, spelling problems today :) | 16:28 |
JamieBennett | sorry | 16:28 |
zaheer_ | JamieBennett, it's ok, i misspelt my nick also | 16:28 |
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JamieBennett | :) | 16:28 |
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VDVsx | ROTFL -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VZHT389eR4 (watch till the end :P) | 16:30 |
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pupnik_ | i like cork soled sandals because i can make little farting noises with my feet when i'm waiting in line | 16:34 |
JamieBennett | Bug submitted. I really should stop moaning and file more bugs but I fear that I have a lot of them for the n900 :) | 16:35 |
pupnik_ | for when n810 is not handy | 16:35 |
RST38h | javis: Rejoice, they have fixed the menu hangup bug! | 16:35 |
javispedro | we'll see how :) | 16:36 |
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RST38h | BTW, anyone have encountered a bug where ENTER key in XTerm suddenly stops working? | 16:36 |
Stskeeps | anyone with a 770, os2006 around and 'file' installed? | 16:36 |
Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, probably hildon input method screwing up | 16:36 |
* RST38h has been hit with it twice over the last two days | 16:36 |
Stskeeps | use ctrl-m | 16:36 |
RST38h | Hmmmm...you havew got a point | 16:37 |
Stskeeps | (we're back to the 70s) | 16:37 |
RST38h | Should I file it though? | 16:37 |
Mek | enter always stops working after I detach screen in xterm for me.... | 16:37 |
Mek | (screen in ssh in xterm that is) | 16:37 |
RST38h | Anyone got bug id for it? | 16:37 |
anvith3_N810 | ok thanks. @termana : ah well what can i say. | 16:37 |
anvith3_N810 | :) | 16:37 |
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wazd | I just caught a design revelation | 16:38 |
Stskeeps | army clothes for teletubbies? | 16:39 |
Macer | hahahahaa | 16:39 |
wazd | If you want to make flush screen in the phone - don't make front case black - make it silvery dark grey, same as the screen | 16:40 |
RST38h | wazd: sure you can get the color right though? | 16:40 |
RST38h | Because if it is even a little bit off, this makes no sense to do | 16:40 |
wazd | RST38h: I bet it's possible) | 16:40 |
wazd | RST38h: with all that zillion of different materials | 16:41 |
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RST38h | wazd: it may be difficult to predict exact lcd color, when it is off | 16:41 |
RST38h | even two batches of the same lcd model may have somewhat different colors | 16:41 |
wazd | for me they are really the same :D | 16:41 |
RST38h | collect some of your gadgets and compare =) | 16:42 |
Stskeeps | Macer: the issue sounds like a kernel issue though, especially that people were able to have it continue working by continously feeding the backlight setting | 16:42 |
wazd | RST38h: looking at SE t630 and n800 now - really the same | 16:42 |
wazd | RST38h: like exactly | 16:43 |
VDVsx | javispedro, ping | 16:43 |
javispedro | VDVsx: pong | 16:43 |
wazd | RST38h: the only difference is that you can see pixel grid on 630 :) | 16:43 |
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VDVsx | javispedro, do you know if sbox still have issues with OGL ? | 16:43 |
wazd | RST38h: I'm sure next iPhone will use that idea :) | 16:44 |
javispedro | VDVsx: i am at this very moment still trying to understand the clutter ogl intricacies. so yes, the final sdk still has issues with OGL. | 16:44 |
RST38h | wazd: Or just make the inactive screen totally black =) | 16:44 |
wazd | RST38h: that's kinda impossible/expensive | 16:44 |
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javispedro | VDVsx: even though may I ask to elaborate the question? from the top of my head there's the "uses software rendering no mather what" and the "orangeness" issues. | 16:45 |
wazd | RST38h: OLED - yes | 16:45 |
RST38h | wazd: polarized glass or one-way mirror | 16:45 |
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RST38h | wazd: you lose some brightness of course, but it has been done before, even with a third-party film | 16:45 |
RST38h | wazd: I have seen iPhone screen protector that becomes a mirror when the iPhone screen is off | 16:46 |
javispedro | VDVsx: and I have somewhat working fixes for both | 16:46 |
wazd | RST38h: not sure, never seen it for myself | 16:46 |
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wazd | RST38h: and assumed that it's too expensive to polarize screen | 16:46 |
VDVsx | javispedro, it runs fast ? and the sbox packages are still diff from the device ones ? | 16:46 |
wazd | RST38h: ah, yep, saw that too | 16:46 |
javispedro | VDVsx: with VMGL it runs fast indeed. sdk packages are so old that now the autobuilder gets them from "in-device packages repo" instead of sdk | 16:47 |
wazd | RST38h: http://www.daydeal.com/files/images8/iphone_mirror_screen_pro2.jpg | 16:47 |
wazd | RST38h: but as you can see - black border still around | 16:47 |
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javispedro | VDVsx: want to try? if you have debian lenny it should be easy (well, patch and recompile xserver-xephyr...) | 16:49 |
RST38h | wazd: Yea | 16:50 |
RST38h | Mek: Still here? | 16:50 |
VDVsx | javispedro, I've ubuntu ;) | 16:50 |
VDVsx | javispedro, but don't have the last sbox version | 16:50 |
wazd | RST38h: you can make it disappear at some angles but my solution will work better :) | 16:50 |
RST38h | Mek: Please, vot/comment on this bug report: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6045 | 16:50 |
povbot | Bug 6045: ENTER key stops working in XTerm | 16:50 |
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zaheerm | VDVsx, that video was too funny! | 16:51 |
* javispedro saw it already :) | 16:52 |
VDVsx | hehe | 16:53 |
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Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/11/05/touchbook-fail/ | 16:54 |
Macer | lol | 16:54 |
Stskeeps | well, google is getting a shitload of bad press atm | 16:54 |
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RST38h | Sts: Smear campaign! =) | 16:54 |
javispedro | Even though this common belief that "Cyogen did a better rom in his spare time than the Google team in months" is common, and I dislike it | 16:55 |
Stskeeps | all things considered, we do have a -fairly- good relationship with nokia :P | 16:55 |
* javispedro saw it loooots of times in the PalmOS sphere | 16:55 |
Macer | javispedro: :) | 16:55 |
Macer | cyanogen is awesome | 16:55 |
lcuk | mgedmin, povbot is awesome! :D | 16:56 |
SpeedEvil | What are the things the mods do that the stock doesnT? | 16:56 |
Macer | ah. | 16:57 |
Macer | SpeedEvil: for oen thing their updates are quicker | 16:57 |
Macer | they have dev tools and certain mods that are nice to have | 16:57 |
Macer | theme support is nice too :) | 16:57 |
SpeedEvil | ah | 16:57 |
* lcuk hopes barcamp has good food this weekend | 16:57 |
javispedro | Macer: too bad the TB sucks so much, I was considering it. | 16:58 |
Macer | javispedro: it is a total piece of shit :) | 16:58 |
RST38h | lcuk: What is BarCamp anyway? How did it start? Th description at Maemo Planet sounds delicious | 16:58 |
lcuk | the touchbook is made of awesome tho | 16:58 |
Macer | i guess it would be good for people who are hardcore developers | 16:58 |
Stskeeps | god, i love that ending of the movie | 16:58 |
Macer | but as it stands the thing is a total piece of crap :) | 16:58 |
javispedro | Stskeeps: the real one or the one with N900 references? :) | 16:58 |
lcuk | RST38h, planet or talk | 16:58 |
lcuk | i cant get planet up atm | 16:58 |
RST38h | lcuk: no longer remember, the one with pictures | 16:59 |
Macer | you would be best to save your money and get a beagleboard or an n900 | 16:59 |
* VDVsx just found out that he has a friend studying in Barcelona :) | 16:59 |
Macer | save the $400 and you are 2/3 to an n900 :) | 16:59 |
javispedro | Macer: beagleboard sucks batteries too | 16:59 |
Stskeeps | javispedro: both but the n900 reference got me | 16:59 |
javispedro | VDVsx: studying what? :) | 16:59 |
Macer | javispedro: unless a REAL company picks up a GOOD arm based netbook. i think an atom is the best route | 16:59 |
lcuk | lol, its an unconference full of people from tech who come together and discuss topics on the day they arrive | 16:59 |
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lcuk | very very cool idea :) there were people from all areas last time | 17:00 |
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lcuk | and we took part in some really nifty presentations and bofs | 17:00 |
VDVsx | javispedro, Msc, think is CS, let me ask, He contact me asking if I'll be there for the maemo hackfest ;) | 17:00 |
VDVsx | javispedro, http://www.iua.upf.edu/csim/ | 17:01 |
javispedro | ah, good. | 17:02 |
VDVsx | javispedro, your univ as well ? | 17:02 |
* VDVsx now hopes to be invited ;) | 17:03 |
javispedro | VDVsx: nope, I'm from barcelona tech (as most of those who posted in the thread so far) | 17:03 |
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VDVsx | javispedro, :) | 17:04 |
javispedro | (barcelona tech is not the real name but sounds cool either way :) ) | 17:04 |
VDVsx | ehhe | 17:05 |
RST38h | BTU?=) | 17:05 |
javispedro | heh | 17:05 |
VDVsx | FIB isn't it ? | 17:05 |
VDVsx | lol | 17:05 |
javispedro | yep | 17:06 |
Macer | http://bash.org/?766026 | 17:07 |
Macer | lol | 17:07 |
javispedro | lol | 17:08 |
* RST38h wonders if the author meant some sex toy by "octopus" | 17:08 |
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RST38h | Because the live octopus somehow feels less relevant to the described situation | 17:09 |
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* javispedro believes someone was triying to reuse problems from another book by just changing the text but not the numbers | 17:10 |
javispedro | after "reinventing" problems for a few hours I'm sure a octopus in a physics problem sounds reasonable | 17:10 |
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Macer | javispedro: haha | 17:12 |
Macer | javispedro: i was wondering if there was any type of centrifugal force created by the puck hitting the octopus | 17:12 |
Stskeeps | javispedro: keyboard and ts part? | 17:12 |
Stskeeps | err.. | 17:12 |
Stskeeps | Macer: | 17:12 |
Macer | ? | 17:13 |
fiferboy | Throwing octipii onto the ice is actually common in one NHL city - I think Detroit | 17:13 |
Stskeeps | Macer: TB | 17:13 |
Macer | Stskeeps: yeah. that's short for touchbullshit | 17:13 |
Macer | :) | 17:13 |
javispedro | octipii! | 17:14 |
Stskeeps | shipping included in 250 USD? ;) | 17:14 |
fiferboy | octopii? | 17:14 |
javispedro | octopuses iirc | 17:14 |
fiferboy | octopuses, octopi, octopodes, aparently | 17:15 |
Macer | Stskeeps: hm. i am trying to remember how much the n800 was to ship to you | 17:15 |
javispedro | wasn't there a entire domain dedicated to the "virii" issue ;) | 17:15 |
Stskeeps | Macer: a TB is probably a lot heavier :P | 17:15 |
javispedro | wouldn't anyone know when GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT_5_6_5 was introducen in desktop opengl? | 17:16 |
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Macer | honestly. if it is less than $50 to ship. then sure. screw it | 17:16 |
Macer | this thing is worthless to me :) | 17:17 |
Macer | let me check at the usps and i will tell you by saturday | 17:17 |
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Macer | at least the 200 will help me get my n900 :).. i am hating the day i ever thought about buying this touchbook | 17:18 |
Macer | haha | 17:18 |
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Macer | but if you really want it .. let me know so i don't go wait in line for nothing :) | 17:19 |
Macer | i accept paypal haha | 17:19 |
Macer | A++++++ | 17:19 |
ShadowJK | Macer: discovered that it's not as comfortable for couch/bed surfing? :-) | 17:19 |
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Macer | ShadowJK: discovered that it's not comfortable while ripping my hair out | 17:21 |
Macer | it's a worthless piece of shit :) | 17:22 |
Macer | taht's what i get for buying something designed by the french | 17:22 |
Macer | Stskeeps would have a lot more "fun" with it than i could | 17:23 |
ShadowJK | Software unusable? | 17:23 |
Macer | taht... hardware seems flaky too... let me find the bug.... | 17:23 |
Macer | http://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=39 | 17:24 |
povbot | Bug 39: libosso docs: remove contact info | 17:24 |
Macer | read the last entry :) | 17:24 |
Macer | that is from the "inventor" of the tb | 17:24 |
Macer | "Not hardware or software" kind of made me laugh | 17:24 |
Macer | there are gremlins or french cockroaches in my TB i suppose | 17:24 |
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Macer | wow. i think i overpaid all my credit cards | 17:26 |
Stskeeps | Macer: i'm pondering if there's some bad readings on whatever controls backlight | 17:26 |
Macer | Stskeeps: i am pondering throwing the thing off a tall buiilding | 17:26 |
Macer | ;) | 17:26 |
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Hrww | hi | 17:26 |
Macer | Stskeeps: i had a theory that it may be some type of obscure backlight power management that keeps detecting the tablet battery as being empty | 17:27 |
Macer | since the sensor for the tablet battery doesn't seem to function properly | 17:27 |
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Stskeeps | what did other people say that kept it from happening? | 17:28 |
javispedro | ok, 5_6_5 is available from GL 1.2 onwards | 17:28 |
Macer | Stskeeps: i think they found a small led flashlight | 17:28 |
Macer | and duct taped it inside | 17:28 |
javispedro | so why did someone believe they needed packed_pixels ext for it? Hmpf. | 17:28 |
Macer | i thought gregoire put the broken kernel in the bug to download :) | 17:29 |
Macer | s/thought/thought it was awesome when | 17:29 |
Stskeeps | Macer: i do run a risk of you killing me if i discover it's some simple issue though | 17:30 |
Macer | Stskeeps: honestly i could care less. overall i hate the thing ;) even if the backlight worked | 17:30 |
Macer | i'd rahter have a more developed device | 17:30 |
Macer | like an n900. even when an n900 comes out it wouldn't have NEARLY the amount of problems the tb has | 17:31 |
* Stskeeps checks the dollar exchange rate | 17:31 |
Macer | what do they use in poland? | 17:31 |
Macer | euros? | 17:31 |
Stskeeps | pln | 17:31 |
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Macer | poland isnt eu? | 17:31 |
range | Macer: It is, but it isn't Euro-Zone (as in currency) yet. | 17:32 |
range | Not all countries in the EU have the EUR: | 17:32 |
Macer | too poor huh? rest of the richer countries don't want them to drag down the currency rate? :) | 17:33 |
Stskeeps | nah | 17:33 |
Stskeeps | voted not to get it | 17:33 |
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Stskeeps | in case of denmark at least | 17:33 |
Macer | wow really? odd | 17:33 |
lcuk | Macer, you raved about touchbook for ages | 17:33 |
lcuk | what changed? did some pretty laptop flutter her usb ports at you? | 17:34 |
* Moo___ got n900 <2 | 17:34 |
Moo___ | <3 even | 17:34 |
ShadowJK | Sweden and denmark held referendum and the people said no | 17:34 |
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range | Macer: UK is one of the oldest EU countries and rather watches their pound going down than going EUR :) | 17:34 |
Macer | lcuk: i raved about it when i was waiting on the 4 month late preorder | 17:34 |
Macer | then got it and was totally disappointed | 17:34 |
ShadowJK | UK artificially kept their economy from not qualifying for euro :) | 17:34 |
lcuk | so what changed | 17:34 |
Macer | range: well. that is probably the global economic collapse thing | 17:35 |
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Stskeeps | Macer: at least you didn't preorder a pandora | 17:35 |
Macer | probably had too much of a stake in the US$ or property | 17:35 |
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Macer | Stskeeps: the same TI stuff plagues the TB also | 17:35 |
Macer | OPEN EMBEDDED my ass :) | 17:35 |
ShadowJK | EU is a bit fuzzy. Some aspects of EU don't apply to all of EU, and some aspects extend and apply in some places outside EU | 17:36 |
lcuk | Macer, dont shout that too loudly | 17:36 |
lcuk | someone may take it as an invite | 17:36 |
Moo___ | ShadowJK: italians don't even translat the directives to their language ;) | 17:36 |
javispedro | to open embed his ass? | 17:36 |
javispedro | O.o | 17:36 |
Macer | lcuk: hahaha | 17:36 |
* mgedmin was quite surprised this year when he discovered UK wasn't in Schengen | 17:36 |
Macer | freudian slip | 17:36 |
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Macer | uk doesn't use euros does it? | 17:36 |
Macer | i thought they stuck with their pounds | 17:36 |
Macer | i only recently found out the royal family still has control of hte military | 17:37 |
Macer | like the queen decides on what to do with it still | 17:37 |
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ShadowJK | Schengen is the border control thing | 17:38 |
Macer | she should have them kill parliment.. like ye old days | 17:38 |
Macer | olde | 17:38 |
RST38h | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225042/Germanys-bald-bears-Fur-disease-afflicts-Dolores-baffles-vets.html | 17:38 |
Macer | ah well... i'm off to sleep for a bit. tty later | 17:38 |
Macer | Stskeeps: i will let you know if 250 is viable with shipping tomorrow or saturday | 17:39 |
Stskeeps | we'll see.. no promises yet | 17:39 |
Moo___ | help | 17:39 |
ShadowJK | What are they as new? | 17:39 |
Moo___ | how can I type ä with US n900 layout | 17:39 |
ShadowJK | Is it under chr/sym perhaps | 17:40 |
VDVsx | mgedmin, same , lol | 17:41 |
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RST38h | moo: press top left key | 17:42 |
RST38h | moo: select :, then press the A key | 17:42 |
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mgedmin | Moo___, fn+ctrl, ¨, a | 17:43 |
mgedmin | took me ages to find the unicode code for ¨ | 17:43 |
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RST38h | it shows up as two characters here | 17:46 |
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frals | awesome, got home from fighting with win2k3 and lpd to find wap push dbus docs in my mail \o/ | 17:47 |
* RST38h lazily watches Oct2009s discussing "games worth emulating" | 17:48 |
javispedro | tell them to get out of your lawn! | 17:48 |
ccooke | RST38h: have they mentioned any PS3/360 games yet? :-) | 17:49 |
javispedro | no, but someone mentioned "the emulatos on android have better compatibility rates" and me feel dizzy | 17:50 |
mgedmin | where's diff for fremantle? | 17:50 |
RST38h | ccooke: coming | 17:50 |
Moo___ | mgedmin: nope, no luck yet :P | 17:51 |
Moo___ | top left is "sym ctrl" | 17:51 |
RST38h | "Amiga 500: is apparently a console game | 17:51 |
* javispedro wins | 17:53 |
mgedmin | Moo___, you need to hold down fn (the blue northeast-pointing arrow), press sym/ctrl | 17:54 |
mgedmin | a symbol palette will pop up | 17:54 |
RST38h | Moo: Mgedmin is right, sorry | 17:54 |
mgedmin | press ¨, it will light up | 17:54 |
mgedmin | then press a | 17:54 |
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mgedmin | simple! | 17:54 |
mgedmin | five easy steps | 17:54 |
javispedro | SDK 0 javispedro 1 | 17:54 |
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* mgedmin wants to throw a sport at some UI designers | 17:54 |
mgedmin | *spork | 17:55 |
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RST38h | why not go for a knife from the start? we know THAT is what you REALLY want =) | 17:55 |
lardman | splade might do more harm ;) | 17:55 |
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RST38h | Entering ~ character is funny too | 17:56 |
javispedro | the compositing thing sucks, since it's basically just getting the window contents as raw bitmaps (using xshmimageget) and then uploading as gl textures. at least on ogl, not yet seen the ogles code path. | 17:56 |
Moo___ | mgedmin: i am pretty sure I know what you mean | 17:56 |
Moo___ | but it does not work :P | 17:56 |
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mgedmin | worksforme, Moo___ | 17:57 |
mgedmin | if I wasn't bitten by bug 5343, I could start xchat and prove it to you | 17:57 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5343 "More..." applications launcher does't allow scrolling | 17:57 |
javispedro | if the ogles code path is anything similar this means using the "official" scaler konttori shown us will be faster | 17:57 |
javispedro | because data uploaded to gpu will be halved | 17:57 |
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mgedmin | hm, actually, I may be using an UK keyboard layout | 17:58 |
mgedmin | I wonder if the popup palette is different for US | 17:58 |
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pupnik_ | javispedro but for 2x scaling, the composited path means 1/2 as memcopy as without composited, right? | 17:59 |
pupnik_ | s/as/as much/ | 17:59 |
javispedro | pupnik_: exactly. | 17:59 |
infobot | pupnik_ meant: javispedro but for 2x scaling, the composited path means 1/2 as much memcopy as without composited, right? | 17:59 |
javispedro | wait. | 17:59 |
* javispedro reparses | 17:59 |
Stskeeps | morning orbarron | 18:00 |
pupnik_ | say i scale 2x, that means 4x memcpy | 18:00 |
pupnik_ | normally | 18:00 |
javispedro | pupnik_: without compositing, I'd expect the GPU to draw on to screen directly | 18:00 |
javispedro | thus avoiding any memcpy at all | 18:00 |
pupnik_ | with this composite i copy original siye twice, so 2x | 18:00 |
pupnik_ | size | 18:00 |
orbarron | morning Stskeeps | 18:01 |
javispedro | with compositing and outputting 800x480 it's going to upload a 800x480 texture to gpu | 18:01 |
mgedmin | wtf segfault? http://pastie.org/684962 | 18:01 |
pupnik_ | ow, no... no... | 18:02 |
pupnik_ | really? | 18:02 |
javispedro | seems so. | 18:02 |
javispedro | actually, a FBO. | 18:02 |
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pupnik_ | ok well device is fast enough | 18:02 |
pupnik_ | lolä | 18:02 |
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mgedmin | waah, dead ssh sessions are hogging all my PTYs | 18:03 |
mgedmin | is there a bug asking for an increase? | 18:03 |
Stskeeps | i vote for more open xterms too | 18:04 |
mgedmin | bug 5824 | 18:04 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5824 Maximum number of pseudo terminals too low (4) | 18:04 |
pupnik_ | were the sgx designers this clueless about what we need, ir is this a limitation imposed by x? | 18:05 |
pupnik_ | nice clppless Q, pupnik | 18:05 |
pupnik_ | shh | 18:05 |
* Moo___ managed to switch Suomi Svenka layout and can now type å and ö but no ä :( | 18:06 |
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Moo___ | now! | 18:06 |
Moo___ | up arrow | 18:06 |
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mgedmin | anybody experimented with init scripts on fremantle? | 18:07 |
lcuk | which is the best vmware image for fremantle stuff? the laptop network pissed me off for the final time | 18:07 |
Corsac | hmnhm what exactly maemo architecture uses for managing the archive? (asking because we started accepting 3.0 source format which I guess aren't known in maemo atm) | 18:08 |
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javispedro | seems that indeed the ogles codepath is mostly the same as the ogl one. | 18:13 |
javispedro | why aren't they using FBOs? | 18:13 |
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mgedmin | flaky flaky network | 18:15 |
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AndrewFBlack | Is there no way to disable an applet on n900 | 18:17 |
lcuk | javispedro, so you are patching up the sdk side of things still | 18:18 |
lcuk | (very worthy btw!) | 18:18 |
lcuk | AndrewFBlack, explain more.. | 18:18 |
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javispedro | lcuk: yeah, I am reading to try to understand how it works and make more informated comments in bug #4870 | 18:18 |
povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 Red & blue color channels swapped sometimes in SDK | 18:18 |
AndrewFBlack | lcuk, ok lets say I'm tried of see load applet right but I don't want ot install it can I not disable it like before? | 18:19 |
* mgedmin very very angry about bug network flakyness | 18:19 |
lcuk | it happens all over mgedmin | 18:19 |
fiferboy | AndrewFBlack: No, it seems there is no way of disabling status bar applets | 18:19 |
lcuk | the wifi end of my house is annoying | 18:19 |
fiferboy | Maybe if you dig into some configuration files that control the loading of them... | 18:20 |
mgedmin | laptop's wifi is _fine_, n900's wifi is tired | 18:20 |
lcuk | heh other way round here | 18:20 |
AndrewFBlack | seems like there are several functions they have remeved to make fremantle "Simpler" has made it well not so simple to me | 18:20 |
lcuk | the laptop works great if its within about 5 foot of the router | 18:20 |
lcuk | otherwise it has a shitfit | 18:20 |
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lcuk | AndrewFBlack, you want to install the applet but you dont want it running? | 18:21 |
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AndrewFBlack | well lets say I don't want it running right now atleast like I don't always need load applet running but I have ot keep it running all the time now | 18:23 |
lcuk | gotcha | 18:23 |
AndrewFBlack | I think I like Maemo5-loadapplet better but I can't figure out how to do screenshots with it | 18:24 |
lcuk | file it as an bug/enhancement request? | 18:24 |
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jysky | what's the latest eta for n900? | 18:25 |
w00t | nokia uk have been saying that shipping of preorders starts on the 9th for a fair while, so i'm sticking with that | 18:26 |
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jysky | nice | 18:27 |
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jysky | few weeks ago i asked from verkkokauppa.com and they said that week 45. don't know if it has changed | 18:29 |
RST38h | WW45 is like NOW | 18:29 |
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jysky | yeah, but if they get 2 pieces at friday afternoon it's still 45 :) | 18:30 |
RST38h | Sunday still satisfies the promise, in European terms | 18:30 |
w00t | overseas dates have been very mixed | 18:30 |
jysky | don't think they be going through their deliveries at weekends | 18:31 |
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javispedro | TODO: non-comp. in portrait mode | 18:31 |
javispedro | heh. | 18:31 |
* lcuk takes apart nintendo wii | 18:32 |
* mgedmin wonders why RST38h uses a double-double-u prefix for week numbers | 18:32 |
RST38h | mgedmin: work-week | 18:32 |
RST38h | mgedmin: pretty standard in the industry | 18:32 |
mgedmin | interesting, I've never encountered it | 18:33 |
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SpeedEvil | Has anyone here ordering from nokia.co.uk gotten an email? | 18:33 |
mgedmin | I've always used ISO 8601, which is just W45 | 18:33 |
range | Hmmm. Wouldn't that be different for everybody depending on when they take their vacations? | 18:33 |
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range | And. I don't have 52 work weeks per year :) | 18:34 |
RST38h | range: nah, it is not a work week only if everyone stops working | 18:34 |
RST38h | which will eventually happen, I guess, but not right away | 18:34 |
RST38h | The Tentacled One needs some more time waking up | 18:35 |
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mgedmin | ooh, conboy devs are fixing bugs! | 18:36 |
mgedmin | I should file some new ones | 18:36 |
pH5 | :) | 18:37 |
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pinheiro_ | hey people | 18:52 |
pinheiro_ | one question what is teh defoult font in maemo? | 18:52 |
range | Nokia Sans, probably. | 18:52 |
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VDVsx | yeah, think so | 18:53 |
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mgedmin | uh oh bumped max pty limit to 16 and ran out of them | 18:54 |
VDVsx | the maemo encyclopedia should know that :) | 18:54 |
VDVsx | qwerty12, what the default font in maemo ? | 18:54 |
* mgedmin whispers "nokia sans" | 18:54 |
VDVsx | *what's | 18:54 |
qwerty12 | Nokia Sans | 18:54 |
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pinheiro_ | cool | 18:55 |
VDVsx | qwerty12, thanks ;) | 18:55 |
Ircng | Hi all | 18:55 |
pinheiro_ | now were can i find it :) | 18:55 |
pinheiro_ | making mocks :) | 18:55 |
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Jaffa | Blimey, fmradio's now in extras | 18:56 |
Jaffa | Needs a screenshot | 18:56 |
qwerty12 | pinheiro_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33181&highlight=nokia+sans has two ways, with the install Nokia Internet Tablet Video Converter method being the easiest... | 18:56 |
Ircng | Anyone knows when new n900 trully will be launched in US? | 18:56 |
qwerty12 | Jaffa: They can all be found on wazd's blog ;) | 18:57 |
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RST38h | Ircng: no. | 18:57 |
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Jaffa | qwerty12: Are they actually used by the app? I've not tried it (I'd also say it needs an XB-Maemo-Display-Name of 'FM Radio') | 18:57 |
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qwerty12 | Jaffa: Well, it does have the scale, but it does not look like one on wazd's blog =) | 18:58 |
qwerty12 | =the | 18:58 |
pinheiro_ | only windows and mac ports :( | 18:59 |
pinheiro_ | oo well wine will get it i think | 18:59 |
qwerty12 | The SDK route is also available... | 18:59 |
javispedro | anyone saw anyone using HildonRemoteTexture? | 19:00 |
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RST38h | The Firefox for Mobile aggregator is back! | 19:02 |
pinheiro_ | qwerty12: thanks wine worked the software works via wine, :) now to find the ttf | 19:03 |
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javispedro | ah well, enough clutter for today | 19:05 |
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javispedro | RST38h: not only it's back, but it's also "Unknown author" | 19:05 |
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andrei1089 | hi.. is there any way to catch the headset button press on N900? | 19:06 |
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RST38h | javispedro: can't it be disabled as being offtopic? | 19:07 |
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javispedro | RST38h: I dunno. IMHO all tweets should disappear from there. | 19:09 |
RST38h | yep | 19:10 |
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practisevoodoo_ | does anyone know how to enable usb host mode inside easy debian on an n810? | 19:23 |
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lcuk | practisevoodoo_, easydebian is inside a choot within diablo isnt it | 19:29 |
lcuk | ie, if you enable hostmode the normal way, wont it just follow and use that | 19:29 |
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courmisch | anyone knows how to get pannable rather than scrollbar widgets with Qt4 on N900 ? | 19:39 |
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Tomomosius | Whant to win prizes like Xbox360 Elite,PS3,PSP-3000,40 inc LCD TV and many more. Then watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZl3vlYgO0g It will explain u how.U can pm me here to | 19:40 |
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v2px_ | :3 | 19:40 |
VDVsx | lol, no N900's :( | 19:41 |
qwerty12 | VDVsx, for you, they will reserve an Android-running phone of your choice | 19:42 |
VDVsx | qwerty12, nice ;) | 19:43 |
* VDVsx wants one :) | 19:43 |
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Khertan | Hi everybody ! | 19:43 |
mgedmin | ~lart flaky wifi | 19:44 |
* infobot puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at flaky wifi | 19:44 |
VDVsx | ~cookie | 19:44 |
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... zip 42350... Island McLean KY | 19:44 |
Khertan | Topic doesn t say anymore that maemo 5 will not be available on n8x0 ... does it s mean it will ? | 19:45 |
Khertan | :) | 19:45 |
mgedmin | nah, it means everybody knows already | 19:45 |
mgedmin | there probably exists a parallel universe in which maemo 5 will be backported to the 770 | 19:46 |
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Khertan | why does nokia fuck the gtk.filechooserdialog with their theme ....i can t display extension with hildon.filechooserdialog ! | 19:47 |
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Khertan | does there is a way to read received sms on n900 | 19:49 |
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Khertan | i mean with python ? | 19:49 |
zaheerm | yah | 19:53 |
zaheerm | event logger api | 19:54 |
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fiferboy | courmisch: pannable widgets are going to be default in the next release of the qt libs | 19:55 |
fiferboy | courmisch: If you want to try them out now, go to qt4.garage.maemo.org and click the install arrow | 19:55 |
courmisch | fiferboy: ok | 19:57 |
courmisch | fiferboy: btw, why was tray icon class removed rather than stubbed? | 19:57 |
Khertan | zaheerm: does there is examples somewhere ? | 19:58 |
Stskeeps | no tray icons in fremantle? :P | 19:58 |
Khertan | or api doc ? | 19:58 |
fiferboy | courmisch: I'm not sure. You could try asking at #qt-maemo | 19:58 |
zaheerm | Khertan, there should be, i don't know where though | 19:58 |
Khertan | ah ok ... | 19:59 |
courmisch | SMS are exposed via DBus with an internal API | 19:59 |
courmisch | probably com.nokia.csd.sms.something | 19:59 |
Khertan | the purpose is simple | 20:00 |
Khertan | when an sms is receive with a specific code erase data take picture and gps position and send it to kill the thief :) | 20:00 |
Khertan | just in case it could be usefull for a stupid thief which didn t flash the n900 | 20:01 |
courmisch | I'm pretty sure N900 is not capable of killing someone | 20:01 |
Stskeeps | wanna bet? | 20:01 |
courmisch | I doubt CE label would allow it | 20:01 |
Khertan | yep but with gps position stream send i can | 20:02 |
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Flandry__ | We just leave the killing part to Skynet's "operatives" | 20:02 |
Khertan | :) | 20:03 |
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Khertan | maybe i can read sms file if it s stored somewhere | 20:04 |
Khertan | hum not a good idea for battery | 20:04 |
courmisch | /var/spool/sms IIRC | 20:05 |
VDVsx | Khertan, probably they will release the API for that | 20:05 |
courmisch | define they? | 20:05 |
Khertan | yep ... i ll wait the api | 20:05 |
VDVsx | there's a couple of apps for Symbian with the same functionality ;) | 20:06 |
Khertan | or at least documention on dbus | 20:06 |
VDVsx | courmisch, Nokia | 20:06 |
Khertan | yep and palm too :) | 20:06 |
courmisch | my understanding as an employee in the maemo cellular team is _no_ | 20:06 |
VDVsx | :( | 20:07 |
courmisch | but the upper-layer Telepathy API, maybe | 20:07 |
Khertan | i ve done one for my palm which install himself in the firmware | 20:07 |
* RST38h moos | 20:07 |
Khertan | courmisch: :( | 20:07 |
wjt | the Telepathy API is all in the open | 20:07 |
wjt | http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=summary | 20:07 |
VDVsx | Khertan, I've done a similar thing with pyS60, but not for the same propose | 20:07 |
wjt | plus the regular Telepathy interfaces | 20:07 |
courmisch | the CSD API is not very hard to figure out, but it's unlikely to be documented | 20:07 |
Khertan | sniff | 20:08 |
VDVsx | courmisch, security reasons ? :P | 20:08 |
Stskeeps | courmisch: you did notice cellmo-icp28-headers are in sdk? | 20:08 |
courmisch | weird | 20:08 |
courmisch | but that's only useful if you want to talk to the modem directly | 20:08 |
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Stskeeps | still, if that is accessible, then why not csd? :P | 20:09 |
courmisch | because then we have an excuse for not maintaining the API in Maemo 6, and for not supporting apps that screw cellular up | 20:10 |
Khertan | :( | 20:10 |
courmisch | Stskeeps: ofono is probably a better source if you want to reverse engineer the modem protocol anyway | 20:11 |
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VDVsx | eheh | 20:12 |
lcuk | Khertan, easy api for python | 20:12 |
RST38h | Stskeeps: Or you can google for "cellular AT command set" | 20:13 |
courmisch | The N900 does not talk AT natively | 20:13 |
Khertan | lcuk ? for what ? | 20:13 |
RST38h | is there some point where you can feed AT commands though? | 20:13 |
courmisch | the USB port | 20:13 |
lcuk | the heck of it | 20:13 |
Robot101 | Khertan: I don't see the problem - you can send and receive SMSes through telepathy | 20:14 |
RST38h | courmisch: ? | 20:14 |
RST38h | Oh ok | 20:14 |
Robot101 | even without any magic cellular extra interfaces | 20:14 |
courmisch | the only thing that uses AT is the USB Abstract Communication Modem interface | 20:14 |
courmisch | for compatibility reasons | 20:14 |
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* lcuk tried ordering pizza with telepathy too :) | 20:15 |
pupnik_ | i am getting operated-on. n810 at standby :) | 20:15 |
Khertan | Robot101: i didn t know | 20:15 |
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courmisch | you can also talk AT commands by invoking pnatd... | 20:15 |
Khertan | for me telepathy = msn + jabber :) | 20:15 |
courmisch | ...but the device supports only one instance at a time | 20:15 |
Robot101 | Khertan: courmisch and wjt said like 10 mins ago :) | 20:15 |
Robot101 | Khertan: on N900, telepathy = jabber + cellular + skype + sip | 20:16 |
Robot101 | and we have IRC, MSN, AIM, etc to download and install | 20:16 |
Khertan | i m looking at the api reference ... slow 3g connection :) | 20:17 |
zaheerm | Robot101, have you or other telepathy guys noticed issues with telepathy-butterfly on n900? i have no idea how to check logs or anything but it seems most of the time it just says network error and sometimes i'm lucky (or not wrt msn) and it has connected | 20:17 |
lcuk | Khertan, did you ever get a scratchbox setup at home | 20:18 |
lcuk | or are you still onboard | 20:18 |
Khertan | lcuk : still onboard :j | 20:19 |
lcuk | how are you finding it on n900 now | 20:19 |
lcuk | have you settled in | 20:19 |
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Khertan | i m still developping a from scratch pygtkeditor | 20:20 |
lcuk | cool! | 20:20 |
lcuk | make sure you post about your progress | 20:20 |
Khertan | but what s annoying me the much currently is that i can t use gtksourceview | 20:20 |
lcuk | whats up with it? the scrollbars? | 20:20 |
Khertan | and show file extension in hildon filechooserdialog | 20:21 |
lcuk | it would be nice to allow them to connect together - use editor on one n900 and debug on another and run code on another | 20:21 |
lcuk | ahh | 20:21 |
Khertan | lcuk : the scrollbar and the fact that slow in a pannablearea | 20:21 |
lcuk | perhaps its something the hildondialogs library could have a look at | 20:21 |
Khertan | this why i ve dev a full python hildoncodebuffer :) | 20:21 |
lcuk | ouch! | 20:22 |
Khertan | and it s works ... | 20:22 |
lcuk | is it possible to reuse the principles from your simplified calendar widget | 20:22 |
lcuk | thats ok then | 20:22 |
Khertan | regex powa | 20:22 |
Khertan | now i m implenting the undo manager | 20:23 |
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Khertan | as there isn t undo in textbuffer | 20:23 |
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Khertan | i really like this n900 :) | 20:23 |
lcuk | how long do you have on the train? | 20:23 |
Khertan | but it s annoying that gtk.filechooser is unusable now on fremantle | 20:24 |
lcuk | yeah, like i say theres a few dialogs that arent right | 20:24 |
lcuk | and if the file select is wrong, it could join with the font and color dialogs | 20:24 |
Khertan | around 4 hours by day ... 3 day by week | 20:24 |
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lcuk | 3 days a week isnt so bad | 20:25 |
lcuk | i did an 8hour train stint last week | 20:25 |
lcuk | 7 | 20:25 |
lcuk | really tested media player | 20:25 |
Khertan | yep two days working at home | 20:25 |
Khertan | ~ping | 20:26 |
infobot | ~pong | 20:26 |
Khertan | ouch did you have a second battery ? | 20:26 |
Khertan | i test it everyday :) | 20:26 |
lcuk | yeah, next time i go im taking transcoded tv episodes | 20:26 |
lcuk | gonna see how much of a difference they make | 20:26 |
Khertan | the main problem i ve is for playing video with subtitle ... it doesn t read subtitle when they are in a separate file | 20:27 |
lcuk | heh last time i messed with subtitles | 20:27 |
Khertan | so i use mplayer | 20:27 |
lcuk | i edited the file and gave tracy hints about star wars | 20:27 |
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lcuk | mplayer is built now? | 20:27 |
zaheerm | Khertan, that should be easily sorted | 20:27 |
zaheerm | Khertan, what type of external subtitle file is it? | 20:28 |
Khertan | yeah i got it on my n900 so it is :) | 20:28 |
Khertan | zaheerm: don t know ... doznload ... unzip ... use it :) | 20:28 |
Khertan | srt without tag | 20:28 |
zaheerm | Khertan, if you can provide me a sample zip, i can get it working | 20:28 |
zaheerm | then you can use the normal media player and hence dsp optimised codecs | 20:29 |
Khertan | i ve still some difficulty with the qwerty keyboard as you can see :) | 20:29 |
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Khertan | zaheerm really ? where is the trick ? | 20:29 |
Khertan | zaheerm : yep 2s i got the limk | 20:30 |
zaheerm | Khertan, probably no subtitle decoder for your subtitle format installed, so i can build a small package that contains it | 20:30 |
zaheerm | i assume same file plays in totem fine on the desktop right? | 20:30 |
lcuk | DEVELOPERS: there is a small survey going on on t.m.o, PLEASE fill it in | 20:32 |
lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33974 | 20:32 |
Khertan | ~ping | 20:32 |
infobot | ~pong | 20:32 |
Khertan | yep work fine with totem | 20:34 |
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Jaffa | lcuk: Meh, I'm still on my abstinence kick :-p | 20:35 |
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lcuk | jaffa, get over it, this thread is useful | 20:35 |
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Khertan | zaheerm i can t provide a direct link : but it s available here : http://www.u-sub.net/sous-titres/stargate-universe-152/saison_1/ | 20:36 |
Khertan | select one and click on 'Telecharger la selection' | 20:37 |
Jaffa | lcuk: I've looked; can you refine "useful"? | 20:37 |
lcuk | informative then | 20:37 |
lcuk | good to know what devs are actually doing in one place and where they think they are upto | 20:37 |
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Jaffa | More so than looking at -devel in m.o/p/? | 20:37 |
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lcuk | all email is a swrawling wasteland filled with viagra ads and junk | 20:38 |
* Jaffa meant extras-devel user/ packages | 20:38 |
lcuk | yeah tis | 20:38 |
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lcuk | :D the best isp throttling comeback ever :D http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1431486&cid=29985272 | 20:40 |
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Khertan | hum auto rotation is funny for a code source editor :) | 20:42 |
* Khertan is still trying to found a way to show extension in hildon.FileChooser | 20:43 |
lcuk | Khertan, how much worse is gtk filechooser | 20:43 |
zaheerm | Khertan, ok so just need to compile the subparse element | 20:43 |
zaheerm | Khertan, give me 1/2 an hour and i will put it in extras-devel or something | 20:44 |
lcuk | ~zaheerm++ | 20:44 |
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wazd | oh my god, news of the week! | 20:47 |
wazd | Sony invented "apple" keyboard! http://www.joshua-consulting.fr/forum/AlienWare_X505-1.jpg | 20:47 |
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Khertan2 | i m back ...browserd crash | 20:47 |
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lcuk | wazd, why is there a bullet hole in the middle of it | 20:47 |
wazd | and macbook air eventually | 20:47 |
wazd | lcuk: that's trackpoint | 20:48 |
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wazd | http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/stb-leasing/cabinet/item/pcg_x505p.jpg | 20:48 |
Khertan2 | lcuk : not useable gtk one display only 3 characters | 20:48 |
lcuk | Khertan2, arg | 20:48 |
Khertan2 | due to the giant open button theme | 20:48 |
Khertan2 | and gtk.recentchooserdialog didn t show anything | 20:49 |
Khertan2 | strange | 20:49 |
Khertan2 | so an other things to do myself | 20:50 |
zaheerm | my god that post to the poll took a while :) | 20:53 |
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acidjazz | any update on the n900 ship date | 21:01 |
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w00t | acidjazz: what is the last you heard? | 21:03 |
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frals | "pr0xyfl00d3r", wow, havent seen a 'cool' nick like that in a while :) | 21:04 |
VDVsx | w00t, I heard, same release date as duke nukem forever ;) | 21:05 |
* VDVsx hides | 21:05 |
frals | the question is - will it run duke nukem forever? dealbreaker if not tbh! | 21:05 |
w00t | VDVsx: hehe, i was wondering for a while. | 21:05 |
VDVsx | frals, oh yeah, will be one of the pre-installed games ;) | 21:06 |
w00t | frals: sure it will! together with a digital compass so you can duke it out in the real world if you feel like it | 21:06 |
* w00t snerks | 21:06 |
lcuk | VDVsx, of course its the same time, DNF is a launch title on the n900 itself | 21:06 |
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w00t | lcuk: shush, you have an n900 | 21:06 |
w00t | ;) | 21:07 |
* VDVsx has one too :P | 21:07 |
* w00t puts VDVsx between the crosshairs | 21:07 |
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acidjazz | w00t: nothing, all the maemo forum posts just lost the subject | 21:08 |
VDVsx | Nov 16, was last I heard | 21:09 |
acidjazz | lcuk: howd you get one? | 21:09 |
w00t | acidjazz: well, nokia uk have been saying that shipping starts on the 9th for about the past 2-3 weeks now | 21:09 |
acidjazz | nov 9th? | 21:09 |
acidjazz | ooo | 21:09 |
acidjazz | thast not too far | 21:09 |
zaheerm | nov 9th for preorders | 21:09 |
* w00t nods | 21:09 |
zaheerm | in store probably 14th | 21:09 |
lcuk | acidjazz, get one of what? | 21:10 |
w00t | lcuk: n900 | 21:10 |
VDVsx | zaheerm, that's Saturday | 21:10 |
zaheerm | and other countries 16th | 21:10 |
VDVsx | ah | 21:10 |
acidjazz | lcuk: n900 | 21:10 |
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lcuk | needed one for this: http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/onedotzero-adventures-in-motion-powered-by-nokia-n900/ | 21:10 |
zaheerm | VDVsx, yah we have no life, saturday and sunday are like work days :) | 21:10 |
VDVsx | lol | 21:10 |
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* w00t is personally considering taking the whole of next week off if it arrives. | 21:11 |
VDVsx | acidjazz, I bet that more than 60% of the people here have n900's | 21:11 |
lcuk | nahhh VDVsx | 21:11 |
zaheerm | i have bad news for khertan2, the media player needs to actually set the subtitle-uri :( | 21:11 |
zaheerm | so you'd need another player ui | 21:11 |
zaheerm | even if i get subparse into extras-devek | 21:11 |
zaheerm | devel | 21:11 |
lcuk | zaheerm, at least you tried, is that info able to be documented somewhere | 21:12 |
lcuk | where it wont be lost | 21:12 |
zaheerm | i should do some wiki stuff | 21:12 |
lcuk | its a shame you cannot link pages with projects | 21:12 |
lcuk | in the same way you can link bug reports | 21:12 |
VDVsx | lcuk, well, stars + 300 summiters + nokians + contractors + bloggers = a lot of N900's out there ;) | 21:12 |
lcuk | VDVsx, sure | 21:13 |
lcuk | but 90% of those over there have never said a single word! | 21:13 |
zaheerm | 300 summiters, i doubt even 75 are here | 21:13 |
ccooke | There are 387 people here... but how many of them only lurk? | 21:14 |
lcuk | i dont doubt theres a lot | 21:14 |
wazd | VDVsx: not all stars got their n90 btw ;) | 21:14 |
VDVsx | wazd, true :( | 21:14 |
lcuk | ccooke, i was gonna point you out as a lurker, then you spoke | 21:14 |
zaheerm | lcuk, so you didn't get a 2nd n900 at summit did you? | 21:14 |
lcuk | no | 21:15 |
RST38h | ccooke: most. | 21:15 |
ccooke | lcuk: when? now? | 21:15 |
lcuk | zaheerm are you nokia emp? | 21:15 |
lcuk | yeah lol ccooke | 21:15 |
zaheerm | lcuk, nope | 21:15 |
zaheerm | lcuk, i'm just a poor gstreamer dev :) | 21:15 |
zaheerm | with an 770, n810 and now n900 | 21:16 |
lcuk | not a bad thing to be :) | 21:16 |
ccooke | zaheerm: nice collection :-) | 21:16 |
lcuk | do all your devices run | 21:16 |
RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/11/saygus-vphone-11-05-09.jpg | 21:16 |
zaheerm | the 770 runs chinook i think, n810 runs diablo, n900 runs fremantle | 21:17 |
zaheerm | but until the n900, i didn't use the devices as much as i would have liked | 21:17 |
lcuk | it would be cool to try and get liqbase on 770 one day (more of an effort than 5 minutes at the 2008 summit) | 21:17 |
ccooke | zaheerm: what was missing? | 21:17 |
lcuk | zaheerm, i use my n900 OUTSIDE! | 21:18 |
zaheerm | i got flumotion running on the n810 and used it quite a bit | 21:18 |
zaheerm | ccooke, cellular connectivity | 21:18 |
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* ccooke would say the n810 is the most successful device he's ever owned. the n900 is better, but might end up being used slightly less. | 21:18 |
zaheerm | also the portability | 21:19 |
zaheerm | i prefer the smaller form factor | 21:19 |
acidjazz | VDVsx: how?? where are they getting em? | 21:19 |
derf | zaheerm: Really (about flumotion)? | 21:19 |
zaheerm | derf, yah i have it running on my n900 already | 21:19 |
derf | Did you make a package for it? | 21:19 |
penguinbait | just notice the browser "tear" is like body fluids and not pronounced like "tare" | 21:19 |
VDVsx | acidjazz, well, Nokia loaned ~300 at the Maemo summit | 21:20 |
lcuk | ccooke, used less? | 21:20 |
penguinbait | thank God for little icons | 21:20 |
acidjazz | what does loaned mean? | 21:20 |
acidjazz | you have to like give it back? | 21:20 |
zaheerm | derf, no at the time i didn't know how to make a debian package :) | 21:20 |
zaheerm | acidjazz, yep, in april | 21:20 |
Jaffa | 6 month Product Loan Agreement | 21:20 |
derf | zaheerm: That never stopped anyone else! | 21:20 |
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acidjazz | what happens if you dont | 21:20 |
practisevoodoo_ | lcuk, looks like it does but that the device just isnt supported | 21:20 |
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lcuk | practisevoodoo_, ? | 21:21 |
zaheerm | derf, well i plan to make a package for flumotion on fremantle | 21:21 |
derf | Excellent. | 21:21 |
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goodnight | when n900 release party? | 21:21 |
practisevoodoo_ | lcuk, i asked a question a couple of hours ago, you answered | 21:21 |
zaheerm | derf, now i actually know how to make them :) | 21:21 |
lcuk | i know that lol, i cant scrollback | 21:21 |
ccooke | lcuk: my n810 I used *heavily* as an ebook reader. | 21:21 |
lcuk | why wont you use this one as such | 21:22 |
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zaheerm | my n810 i used mainly as an ssh client and as a flumotion admin | 21:22 |
ccooke | I'd probably do the same on the n900, but I was given an ereader last week... | 21:22 |
Jaffa | acidjazz: Nokia claim RRP off you? and never loan any again. | 21:22 |
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* lcuk wants liqbase to operate collaboratively http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG | 21:23 |
lcuk | book reader panning over multiple. droooool | 21:23 |
ccooke | and while I can't use it in the dark, it's *much* nicer to read than any LCD could be. | 21:23 |
lcuk | and everything else in liqbase | 21:23 |
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Jaffa | Is FBReader Fremantle compatible yet? (properly, I mean) | 21:23 |
ccooke | heh | 21:23 |
ccooke | that would be awful to read on the tube, though :-) | 21:23 |
lcuk | ccooke, not really, change the orientation as you like | 21:23 |
ccooke | I must admit, carrying an epaper device and the n900 is giving me ideas, though | 21:23 |
lcuk | yeah touchable kindle sounds good | 21:24 |
ccooke | lcuk: holding two devices together, in a confined space? Even with hands my size, they'd get dropped :-) | 21:24 |
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lcuk | lol ccooke thats just the principle :P | 21:24 |
ccooke | I'm starting to think of some ideas for the future | 21:24 |
zaheerm | Jaffa, congrats btw Hermes -> extras | 21:24 |
lcuk | ccooke, ive wanted to combine devices for a while | 21:24 |
lcuk | ive been thinking about it more and more recently, having things like code edit in one, designer on another and running on third | 21:25 |
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Jaffa | zaheerm: thanks :) | 21:26 |
ccooke | lcuk: I'm thinking about combining different devices together | 21:26 |
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lcuk | ^ | 21:27 |
ccooke | epaper devices are great for reading: they're a large size. They're low power, easy to read. | 21:27 |
ccooke | the n900 is a wonderful communicator | 21:27 |
ccooke | it's a control device | 21:27 |
lcuk | cool | 21:27 |
ccooke | So: I want a wifi-enabled epaper device, so I can use it in tandem with the n900 | 21:28 |
zaheerm | Jaffa, not sure if anyone has asked you...i have 2 contacts with the same name (diff people) in my contacts (also same in Facebook), one of those's photos got put in both my contacts. is there a way in the summary for undoing an auto-merge to handle this kinda issue? | 21:28 |
ccooke | You've seen the new stuff in mobile firefox, with weave? | 21:28 |
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ccooke | sharing bookmarks between the mobile and desktop firefox. | 21:28 |
ccooke | Something like that, but local and immediate. | 21:29 |
* lcuk nods | 21:29 |
ccooke | (local in addition to the sync with remote servers) | 21:29 |
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ccooke | that basically means a shared locally networked storage area - PAN style, whether bluetooth or via wifi. | 21:30 |
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lcuk | dont like bluetooth | 21:30 |
ccooke | and an app on each device logging what they've looked at to the shared storage. | 21:30 |
ccooke | nor do I exactly, but it's the best current option. | 21:31 |
lcuk | kindle has 3g, does it have wifi too? | 21:31 |
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ccooke | no | 21:31 |
ccooke | but there are ereaders with wifi. Some have bluetooth as well or instead | 21:31 |
ccooke | I've been playing around with the ereader this week and thinking of options. | 21:32 |
ccooke | http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/06/bebook-2-e-reader-revealed-and-in-the-wild-at-cebit-2009/ | 21:32 |
ccooke | That's one. | 21:32 |
ccooke | it's supposed to have 3g, too | 21:32 |
lcuk | so which have you been playing with | 21:34 |
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ccooke | I have a prs-505. Not too new, but hey - didn't have to pay for it. And it's a good size and weight. | 21:35 |
ccooke | it's goodd enough for me to realise I'll be buying a better one when I can afford to. And when I do, I'm hoping I'll be able to find one that the n900 can order around :-) | 21:36 |
ccooke | of course, that does mean thinking up an interface that makes sense for it. On the n900 side, that's probably a browser extension | 21:37 |
* ccooke realises he's entirely killed the conversation here. Oops, sorry :-) | 21:37 |
lcuk | no i went looking at the bebook | 21:37 |
Shapeshifter | any good news everyone? | 21:38 |
lcuk | very interesting | 21:38 |
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zaheerm | lcuk, dumped some basic stuff here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Installing_codecs_for_files_that_don%27t_play_in_Media_Player | 21:38 |
ccooke | lcuk: I'll put some thought into it over the next few months. It's very much a "wait for the hardware to be ready" idea | 21:39 |
lcuk | zaheerm, :D coool | 21:39 |
lcuk | ccooke, if you wait till its ready to start hacking for it .. | 21:39 |
ccooke | lcuk: did I say that? :-) | 21:39 |
lcuk | make your plan, use it on the tech you have (n900) | 21:39 |
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lcuk | and see if it works and use it on ultiple platforms | 21:40 |
lcuk | lol | 21:40 |
* frals bashes head against programming assignments in this java course.. step 1: implement client-server model over tcp. step 2: throw it all away and make it udp-multicast | 21:40 |
lcuk | lol frals | 21:40 |
ccooke | lcuk: no, I'll be looking around very carefully for hardware that might support it... and if all else fails, I've got a few tabs open with parts costs for an epaper display. | 21:40 |
lcuk | better than me, i was asked to use udp to save bandwidth after i made a tcp app | 21:40 |
frals | :D | 21:41 |
lcuk | then i was asked to put delivery checking and retries | 21:41 |
lcuk | *facepalm* | 21:41 |
ccooke | lcuk: so you quite reasonably used a tcp-in-udp encapsulation, right? :-) | 21:42 |
lcuk | ccooke, i was very tempted to just revert the tcp transport | 21:42 |
frals | lol lcuk :D | 21:42 |
ccooke | lcuk: udp *does* have some advantages sstill | 21:42 |
lcuk | it does in some scenarios | 21:43 |
GeneralAntilles | andre__, File manager? | 21:43 |
ccooke | Probably none that the people giving you work to do understood, mind, but some :-) | 21:43 |
ccooke | lcuk: the main one being nat traversal, which probably doesn't apply in this case? | 21:43 |
lcuk | ccooke, what OS are you planning on using for the ebook side | 21:44 |
sp3000 | romaxa: eh, I'm wrong actually -- current greasemonkey does install fine, I probably had both edition fighting each other before or something | 21:44 |
ccooke | (hmm: http://www.loopygadgets.com/brother-sv-100b-bluetooth-e-reader/ ) | 21:44 |
lcuk | no ccooke it was all on the same subnet | 21:44 |
sp3000 | romaxa: but the script install ui does fail to launch from either a userscript or the ext settings | 21:44 |
lcuk | and the nat traversal is a hack isnt it | 21:44 |
ccooke | lcuk: if I end up butchering a device for it... I'll probably use a Mer base with custom GUI. | 21:45 |
lcuk | flood the router from both ends | 21:45 |
lcuk | providing you can get x11 on there | 21:45 |
ccooke | lcuk: no fllooding required, actually. | 21:45 |
RST38h | ! The Brothers Grimm on TV ! | 21:46 |
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ccooke | the nat traversal method usually requires a server somewhere that both ends can talk to, but if you know the IP address of both ends you can get it working with... say, one packet every minute or so in both directions, just to keep the connection up. | 21:47 |
lcuk | i am vanishing anyway. nice chattin with you as usual charles, cyas all later \o | 21:47 |
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ccooke | see you | 21:48 |
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derf | UDP is useful for real-time communication. | 21:50 |
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derf | Where retransmission would just be a waste of bandwidth, because the data would be stale by the time it arrived anyway. | 21:51 |
ccooke | yes. | 21:51 |
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* Stskeeps notes there's a lot of danes coming by this channel. | 21:55 |
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w00t | yes, far too many. | 21:56 |
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AndrewFBlack | you know making a finger friendly website for n900 that looks good on other mobiles devices is hard | 21:59 |
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* w00t high fives | 22:05 |
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fiferboy | How come just when Jaffa and GeneralAntilles lay off t.m.o it starts getting a record number of visitors? | 22:34 |
aSIMULAtur | good evening maemoystava | 22:35 |
Stskeeps | fiferboy: ow | 22:35 |
Stskeeps | :P | 22:35 |
Stskeeps | evening aSIMULAtur | 22:36 |
fiferboy | Hi aSIMULA* | 22:36 |
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AndrewFBlack | I'm going to regreat this but I have 8 google wave invites if anyone wants one /msg me | 22:36 |
CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is google wave | 22:37 |
CutMeOwnThroat | I find it confusing to google for google services | 22:37 |
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w00t | http://wave.google.com | 22:37 |
AndrewFBlack | kinda of a colaboration software | 22:37 |
w00t | that wasn't so hard, was it? :p | 22:37 |
AndrewFBlack | maemo.org has a wave now also if anyone has wave and wnts to be added to it | 22:38 |
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w00t | AndrewFBlack: pick me, pick me | 22:38 |
Milo- | Which Qt version does Maemo support? | 22:38 |
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aSIMULAtur | ooh google wave i'd like an invite :) | 22:38 |
Milo- | 4.5? | 22:38 |
AndrewFBlack | woot 7 left /msg me your email | 22:38 |
lcuk | i have an invite somewhere | 22:38 |
w00t | aSIMULAtur: i'd send you one if I had one | 22:38 |
fiferboy | Milo-: Currenty 4.5.3 | 22:38 |
AndrewFBlack | same aSIMULAtur | 22:38 |
lcuk | never bothered | 22:38 |
Milo- | fiferboy thanks | 22:38 |
fiferboy | Milo-: 4.6 coming Q1 2010 | 22:38 |
aSIMULAtur | :) | 22:39 |
aSIMULAtur | how is everyone, long time no speak | 22:39 |
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Milo- | fiferboy yeah, but it will be backwards compatible with 4.5 application, I hope? | 22:39 |
CutMeOwnThroat | w00t, it was more, kind of, like, rhetorical, you know :) | 22:39 |
Milo- | they can't change it THAT much :P | 22:39 |
Stskeeps | decent, waiting to see if n900 actually gets released in some days or not :P | 22:39 |
CutMeOwnThroat | w00t, just expressing my disbelieve in the multitude of google services | 22:40 |
Milo- | I think they pushed the release date to December now :P | 22:40 |
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fiferboy | Milo-: It should run anything from 4.0 on | 22:40 |
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fiferboy | Milo-: And there are 3.x compatibility libraries (but I have never tried those out) | 22:40 |
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Stskeeps | finland coming back online or there was a outage somewhere? :P | 22:40 |
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Milo- | I'm from finland, and I didn't die :) | 22:41 |
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AndrewFBlack | 5 left if no one here wants them I'll just pick people from t.m.o who wantsthem | 22:41 |
Stskeeps | cos the amount of finns coming in right now is worrying ;) | 22:41 |
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fiferboy | Stskeeps: You're right. That's a lot of .fi joining the channel | 22:41 |
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frals | AndrewFBlack: still got a wave-invite? | 22:42 |
Milo- | *wonders if he should use Qt to get html-page, or use C++ | 22:42 |
AndrewFBlack | frals yeah | 22:43 |
luke-jr | Milo-: huh? | 22:43 |
luke-jr | C++ has no support for HTTP/HTML | 22:44 |
inz | Andrew, I'd like one too | 22:44 |
Milo- | just figured that out | 22:44 |
Milo- | Boost does.. | 22:44 |
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AndrewFBlack | inz, send me your email | 22:44 |
Milo- | qt it is! | 22:44 |
luke-jr | Milo-: Boost isn't C++ | 22:45 |
Milo- | I know | 22:45 |
luke-jr | yet | 22:45 |
luke-jr | :p | 22:45 |
Milo- | hopefully most of it will be soon :) | 22:45 |
luke-jr | anyhow, I'd stick to one language | 22:45 |
luke-jr | Qt or C++ | 22:45 |
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Milo- | the user interface has to be made in Qt anyways | 22:46 |
Milo- | so I guess I'll use that.. | 22:46 |
luke-jr | Milo-: please consider writing a library or CLI app first, and a GUI in Qt for that ;P | 22:46 |
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Milo- | even a CLI would fail since I need to download a certain webpage for that. | 22:48 |
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Milo- | or I could write a python application and then use qt bindings to show the data | 22:50 |
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VDVsx | aSIMULAtur, still need a invite for wave ? :P | 22:55 |
aep | you got some? oO | 22:55 |
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VDVsx | ah ok, AndrewFBlack also have some ;) | 22:56 |
aSIMULAtur | VDVsx: andrew gave me one i think! :) still haven't gotten it yet...but thanks for hte offer mr same-surname :D | 22:56 |
VDVsx | lol | 22:57 |
VDVsx | aSIMULAtur, it takes about a week, afailk | 22:57 |
VDVsx | *afaik | 22:57 |
aep | VDVsx: would you send one to me? | 22:57 |
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VDVsx | aep, sure, send me your e-amil in pm | 22:58 |
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AndrewFBlack | VDVsx, I have 3 left | 22:58 |
AndrewFBlack | funny thing is until now i havn't heard of 2 generation users getting invites | 22:59 |
VDVsx | AndrewFBlack, I was a GSoC mentor ;) | 22:59 |
VDVsx | GSoC = Google summer of code | 22:59 |
aSIMULAtur | oh, quite long! | 23:01 |
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GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, I feel so much better. | 23:19 |
fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: How's that? | 23:19 |
GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, same way I felt better after I unsubscribed from -users. ;) | 23:20 |
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fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Ah! I never subscribed to -users, so I don't know that joy | 23:20 |
GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, loading up Talk to stress myself out every 15 minutes wasn't fun. | 23:20 |
fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: It has all changed since you left. Everything there is really good now. You should go and see for yourself... | 23:21 |
derf | It's unclear to me why anyone would ever do either. | 23:21 |
* GeneralAntilles puts a fork slowly into fiferboy's eye. | 23:21 |
fiferboy | Okay, I deserved that | 23:22 |
fiferboy | Someone has to try it, since qwerty12 isn't around | 23:22 |
* qwerty12_N900 slaps fiferboy. | 23:22 |
b-man17 | lol | 23:22 |
lcuk | haha | 23:22 |
fiferboy | I didn't deserve that! | 23:22 |
fiferboy | How am I to know you have been lurking here for 16 hours waiting for someone to mention your name?? | 23:22 |
GeneralAntilles | Oh, Comcast is getting more awesome! | 23:24 |
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ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, always innovating new ways to screw you over eh | 23:24 |
GeneralAntilles | I love how their slogan has become synonymous with useless crap. | 23:25 |
ShadowJK | everytime I visit the DX website looking for something I get scared by random stuff, either in: a) they MAKE things like that? or b) How can you ship THAT /from/ china at that price? | 23:26 |
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* qwerty12_N900 laughs at lcuk's empty "Barcamp Manchester this weekend!!" thread. Empty... pretty much sums up Manchester | 23:27 |
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ShadowJK | there's something seriously fucked up when you can get Cat5e cable via AIRMAIL from China cheaper than at a local shop | 23:27 |
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dmj7262 | ShadowJK, really? | 23:28 |
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Stskeeps | ShadowJK: local shops are always overpriced | 23:28 |
dmj7262 | Does that include cat5e spools to make it yourself? | 23:28 |
ShadowJK | I was looking at readymade cables | 23:29 |
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ShadowJK | or rather, accidentally stumbled on them whilst looking for a non-davicom usb ethernet adapter | 23:29 |
dmj7262 | that the readymade ones are overpriced isn't surprising | 23:29 |
lcuk | qwerty12_N900, i tend to agree right now | 23:29 |
lcuk | :P get yourself up to manchester | 23:30 |
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* Stskeeps starts the 13th toolchain compilation of the day. | 23:30 |
lcuk | yikes Stskeeps | 23:31 |
javispedro | since every gcc compiles itself twice or thrice, I guess its more like the 100th compilation of the day :) | 23:31 |
qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps, it shouldn't be you doing it.. | 23:31 |
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