IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-10-29

GeneralAntillesifreq, great, but that doesn't help us here. ;)00:00
GeneralAntillesI've been through every HAL guide for normal Linux I could find.00:00
GeneralAntillesNo dice.00:00
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ifreqGeneralAntilles: yeh, just tried to help :)00:02
GeneralAntillesifreq, Nokia loves to use standard tools to do really bizarre non-standard things.00:02
ifreqwould be easier to test stuff with real physical hw, but no dice there either... still waiting n900 promo00:02
ifreqthats a bit sad00:03
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GeneralAntillesThus, Mer.00:03
GeneralAntillesandre__, like your cloak? ;)00:03
andre__yesss!! :)00:04
andre__and now don't tell me anything about IP addresses or so ;-)00:04
Ceron^ n900 will be as old as this video is by the time its released00:05
Xisdibikwait, the n900 is real? its not vaporware? :O00:05
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Ceron^it wont be vaporware when its as old as the video!00:06
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XisdibikGeneralAntilles, do you like your n900 as much as you did the day you were handed it?00:08
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wazdhope n900 will be like that video00:11
wazdalways cool and rocking :D00:11
wazdELO ftw :)00:11
andre__GeneralAntilles, hmm, I miss myself on the cloak list, but I can also survive without becoming one... :)00:11
Ceron^wazd: YEH00:12
GeneralAntillesandre__, staff.00:12
GeneralAntilles /msg nickserv info andre__00:12
Ceron^ELO legend of the legends00:12
wazdThey reminds me Queen but in Pop/electro world :)00:12
andre__aahh.... sorry :)00:13
GeneralAntillesXisdibik, well, since I've spent the last month and a half beating it to death to expose bugs and testing alpha and beta software. . . .00:13
GeneralAntillesIt's sort of irritating me. But as lcuk might say, it's a great piece of kit.00:13
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Ceron^GeneralAntilles: for you its not always cool and rocking like ELO?00:14
GeneralAntillesandre__, excluded the people who already got them from the list. :P00:14
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X-FadeOk, time to get some sleep. See you all tomorrow..00:15
andre__yeah, should have taken a look myself here first. or also go to sleep :)00:15
lbtnight X-Fade00:16
lcuklol GeneralAntilles irritating that you have to quote me, or the device irritates you?00:16
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fiferboyqwerty_n810 - good point about locale00:16
GeneralAntilleslcuk, the device.00:16
lcuki agree00:16
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lcukthankfully its niggles rather than serious defects00:17
lcukanyway, im sleeping now again00:18
qwerty12_N810fiferboy: Just change it to "Select colour" for all locales and call it a day...00:18
Woollyo_ > o/ > o_ > o/00:20
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Corsacdamn, I missed the delay thread00:21
Woollyany gstreamer masters here?00:21
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Woollythe gstreamer IRC appears devoid of comments00:22
andre__not me. but if you have a gstreamer question you could maybe post it.00:22
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wazdDolph Lundgren has finished FIVE universities00:26
wazdYeah, I can't say anything too :D00:26
lcukfor breakfast?00:26
wazdSeriously, imagine Dolph as first class physisist00:28
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wazdRoyal Tech Uni (Sweden), Wash Uni, Sidney Uni, Massachussets tech uni, and school of dramatic arts00:30
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maswanwazd: chemical engineer not physicist, IIRC.00:34
Anidelok, I totally missed the cloak do I get a cloak to myself?00:35
lardmangood Lord, a2dp is really crap atm due to something or other00:35
GeneralAntillesAnidel, noted.00:36
GeneralAntilleslardman, how about you?00:36
Anidelthanks.. that was it? :) I can go around with my fancy cloak now?00:36
GeneralAntillesAnidel, as soon as I get the list together and it gets handed over to Freenode.00:36
Anidelcan I keep my hood on ? or will Tesco kick me off ?00:37
Anidelthanks ga ;)00:37
Anidellardman you missed the discussion on -community as well,didn't ya@00:37
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, ping?00:37
RST38hApple will "vigorously" defend itself against Nokia's patent infringement suit, according to Cupertino's SEC 10-K annual-report filing (PDF) issued Tuesday.00:38
lardmanAnidel: I saw the tail end on the email00:38
lardmanaaargh! bloody a2dp00:38
GeneralAntillesRST38h, you want a cloak?00:38
AnidelI followed the tail :)00:38
lardmanI wonder what's wrong with it00:38
Anidelthere's a bug lardman00:39
AnidelI think it's pretty known internally00:39
RST38hGeneral: I asked for gold and virgins before00:39
GeneralAntillesPlum out.00:39
lardmanoh right, I've never had any problems, until now00:39
RST38hlardman: what is the problem?00:40
AnidelI wish I'll win a bt headset at the n900 meetup in london00:40
qwerty12_N810~bitchslap lcuk00:40
* infobot beats the sh*t out of lcuk00:40
Anidelneed to read the infobot book soon00:41
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Anidel~bitchslap qwerty12_N81000:41
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Anidellove it00:41
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qwerty12_N810Anidel: :(00:42
lardmanRST38h: random drop outs and pitch/speed changes00:42
RST38hAnidel: btw, found anything about that .pdf?00:42
Anidelyou were only a small guinea pig..00:42
RST38hlardman: Have you got wifi running?00:42
Anidelrst38h didn't do anything at all yet on xournal.. had to fight spiders00:42
AnidelI'm my girlfriend's hero00:42
lardmanRST38h: yeah00:42
Anidelthere's always a dark side in a medal00:43
qwerty12_N810Anidel: That should come second to Xournal00:43
lardmanah, I seem to remember hearing that might be a problem00:43
AnidelI remember Tero confirming the bug.. it should be in bmo00:43
RST38hlardman: that is your problem00:44
lardmanyeah, thanks chaps00:44
wazdGoogle Navigation has no map cache, only those bits yo've visited00:44
RST38hlardman: I am also experiencing it and it IS known internally. Should I open a bug for it though?00:45
Anidelqwerty12_N810 well.. tell it to her next to a spider00:45
wazdGood example how you can totally screw thing up with simple click :)00:45
RST38hlardman: Just to keep Andre busy? =)00:45
RST38hwazd: the S60 version of Google Maps app does seem to have cache though00:45
lardmanyeah may as well :)00:45
andre__oh yesh :-D00:45
lardmanwouldn't want him getting bored would we :)00:46
qwerty12_N810Anidel: lol, OK, maybe not...00:46
Anidelqwerty12_N810: wise, the cloak will suit you well00:46
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RST38hwazd: Yea, I do want this =)00:47
Anidelwill it be possible to have the Beard of the Wise along with the coolish cloak? I might look wiser than Gandalf itself00:47
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wazddamn, who can even think about navigation app that doesn't work without network connection? :)00:48
wazd(I've read bout Nokia Maps, yeah :D)00:48
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Anidel~rot13 yeah00:49
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qwerty12_N810~rape Anidel00:50
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Anidel~bitchslap qwerty12_N81000:50
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* Anidel thinks is still a novice in the Art of the InfoBot book, may be something like level 0?00:50
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Anidelthere are still hidden pages in this magical book00:51
Anidelcan't find 'rape'00:51
* Anidel puts InfoBot ahead of Xournal :D00:51
RST38hlardman: Comment/vote00:51
Anidelwhat if I try to rape myself?00:51
Anidel~rape Anidel00:51
* infobot takes Anidel behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams00:51
Anidelstupid bot00:52
GeneralAntillesHrm, Jaffa's using periods in his short descriptions.00:52
Anidelunless.. he knows I might actually like it...00:52
Anidel:D :D00:52
GeneralAntillesInfobot is gender confused.00:52
RST38h* infobot takes <..> from behind00:52
Anidelahah yeah00:52
RST38h(the rest is really redundant)00:52
Anidelthere's no 'from' :p00:52
lardmanhmm, dh_make, nasty00:53
Anidelto be raped?00:53
RST38hlardman: I have noticed pitch changes but then I am tone deaf00:53
qwerty12_N810Anidel: "from behind" makes it universal :p00:53
RST38hhave not, that is00:53
lardmanwhat about speed changes?00:53
Anidelqwerty indeed00:53
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RST38hlardman: Not noticing them, but again, me and music are alien to each other00:54
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lardmannp :)00:55
RST38hAlso audio drop outs do not happen all the time. Sometimes, I manage to listen for an hour or so without dropouts. Somehow related to how the tablet is rotated00:55
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lardmanhmm, strange00:56
lardmanah well00:56
lardmaneasy enough to listen with no wifi really00:57
* lbt gets lots of audio stutter on application launch00:57
lardmandoes someone fancy packaging ethos for me?00:57
lardmanlbt: yeah, load changes make it stutter00:57
lbtshouldn't really00:57
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lbtit should be able to +1 prio and keep buffers full00:58
RST38hlardman: with wifi off, it is glitchless00:58
GeneralAntillesRST38h, OK, cloak or no? :P00:58
RST38hlardman: well, stops for a bit when establishing gprs connection, but I don't think this count00:59
RST38hGeneral: Hey, what *is* that cloak?00:59
lardmanRST38h: that's what lbt is talking about, the load change stutter00:59
GeneralAntilles /Maemo/community/contributor/RST38h00:59
RST38hlardman: Ah...00:59
RST38hGeneral: Explain slowly, in simple terms, as if to a cow01:00
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, it's just a vanity plate thing01:00
GeneralAntillesThat also serves the purpose of blocking your hostmask01:01
GeneralAntillesSo prying eyes can't get your IP easily.01:01
RST38hOh, now I get it01:01
GeneralAntillesIn a nice overview.01:01
WoollyAny gstreamer smarties here? Does anyone know why gst-launch-0.10 tcpserversrc protocol=gdp host=localhost port=50000 ! multipartdemux ! jpegdec ! autovideosink would't want to pause?01:01
RST38hNo, no cloak. I prefer it the traditional way.01:01
RST38hThanks though01:01
lardmanWoolly: probably better asking in #gstreamer really01:03
Woollyalready did, finally got a response!01:04
lardmanWoolly: take a shufty at zbar in extras-devel, has python bindings and does 1D decoding01:04
Woollythought I'd ask in here, just in case01:04
Woollylardman: will do, when I get a chance :D01:04
lardmancool, np01:04
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lardmanaargh, bloody autotools!01:06
lardmanmake[3]: *** No rule to make target `/ethos-version.h', needed by `all'.  Stop. My Arse!01:06
RST38hFremantle 5.0final rootstrap for SB2 is here!01:07
qwerty12_N810You poor people...01:08
RST38hqwerty: You better fix that XChat =)01:09
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johnsqlardman: it could atleast say what package is missing.01:11
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lardmanI think it may be an env var error01:12
lardmanis $builddir set by make?01:13
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lardmanqwerty12_N810: how's your Debianising list these days....? ;)01:23
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qwerty12_N810Hmm, I could take a look but I've already got a few stuff I need to look at01:24
lardmanI'm looking to build this:
lardmanand having troubles with Ethos01:25
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lardmanI've replaced the geoclue stuff with liblocation, so hopefully that will be workable, libchamplain is in extras-devel, librest has debian packages to copy, etc.01:26
xnt14:) odz ftw01:26
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achipalardman: a personality crysis, eh ? :)01:27
lardmanmore a failing of moral character building I'd say ;)01:27
fiferboyGeneralantilles pong?01:28
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, you want a cloak?01:28
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Anidel~ping pong01:28
infobotpong pong01:28
fiferboy_GeneralAntilles: Sure!01:28
GeneralAntillesfiferboy_, awesome!01:28
qwerty12_N810fiferboy_: Good choice. And you know why I think that :D01:28
achipaanyone encountered autobuilder funk regarding python-dbus ?01:29
* Anidel wonders where GA found all this nice dark cloaks...01:29
fiferboy_qwerty12_N810: Why?  Because I have .ca in my whois?01:29
qwerty12_N810fiferboy_: :-)01:30
GeneralAntillesAnidel, 18 months on the waitlist for group registration and they manage to figure it out just after I'm done with my year long stint on the council. <_<01:30
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AnidelGA: 6 months are fast :)01:30
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* SpeedEvil wants a cape!01:32
lbtg'night all01:32
fiferboylbt: Night!01:32
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, we don't have any capes.01:32
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lardmannight lbt01:33
achipawhat am I not seeing here ?01:33
VulcanisI have a cape :\01:33
achipa[2009-10-29 01:17:03] Try to install static depends: libqt4-dev  sip4  python2.5-sip4  python2.5-sip4-dev  python2.5-dev  python2.5-dbus libdbus-1-dev  libxext-dev01:33
achipa[2009-10-29 01:17:03] fakeroot apt-get -y -q -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=1 install --no-remove libqt4-dev  sip4  python2.5-sip4  python2.5-sip4-dev  python2.5-dev  python2.5-dbus libdbus-1-dev  libxext-dev </dev/null01:33
achipaReading package lists...01:33
achipaBuilding dependency tree...01:33
GeneralAntillesachipa, you want a cloak?01:33
achipaSome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have01:33
achiparequested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable01:33
achipadistribution that some required packages have not yet been created01:33
achipaor been moved out of Incoming.01:33
achipaThe following information may help to resolve the situation:01:33
achipaGeneralAntilles: ACK01:33
achipaThe following packages have unmet dependencies: python2.5-dbus: Depends: python-dbus (= 0.83.0-1maemo1) but it is not going to be installed01:33
lardmanachipa: ~pastebin"01:33
achipaE: Broken packages01:33
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , ,
achipalardman: nah, too easy from a N900 :)01:34
qwerty12_N810Even better:
achipalardman: console copy/paste is playing tricks on me for some reason lately01:34
achipaqwerty12_N810: yes, indeed01:35
lardmanachipa: I couldn't even get it to work earlier01:36
lardmanyay! I've defeated autotools (on librest, still need serious help with ethos)01:37
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: What is the process on getting cloaks?01:38
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, at the moment have > 500 karma and talk to me.01:39
GeneralAntillesOr work for Maemo Devices01:39
fiferboyNothing on my end?01:40
infobotspeedevil has neutral karma01:40
GeneralAntillesOn maemo.org01:40
lardmanqwerty12_N810: can you remember what that fix was for debian helper not finding files to install - not knowing the temp dir?01:41
lardmanDEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR := debian/tmp01:42
qwerty12_N810lardman: CDBS rules file?01:42
lardmanyeah, found it, thanks anyway01:42
lardmanok, so librest is sorted too01:44
* achipa is in a dilemma - suffer PySide or bring PyQt up to date01:44
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fiferboyHeh, they are playing Star Wars music for the line-up announcements at the World Series01:45
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fiferboySith music for the visitors, Rebel music for the home team01:46
GeneralAntillesI hate every team in the series.01:46
fiferboyPhilies are the lesser of two evils01:46
* Anidel goes to sleep... nighty night guys01:46
GeneralAntillesLesser of two weevils.01:47
qwerty12_N810Anidel: Night. Just installed Xournal; it looks awesome!01:47
_Pete_what is this all anthem?01:47
lardmannight Anidel01:47
Anidelqwerty12_N810 needs lot of work still...01:47
Anidelthanks lardman01:48
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GeneralAntillesfiferboy, it's weird only ever having been a fan of one underdog expansion team.01:48
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fiferboyYeah, unless you are a Yankees or Red Sox fan in the East it can be depressing01:49
GeneralAntillesAh, 2008. :(01:50
fiferboySo close01:50
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lardmanqwerty12_N810: not to worry re Ethos, I think I've beaten it into submission01:58
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qwerty12_N810Who said I was worrying? ;)01:58
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lardmanhmm, that's odd, despite adding DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR := debian/tmp to debian/rules, I still get this: dh_install: libethos-1.0-0 missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/*), aborting02:00
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lardmanif anyone's bored and would like to work out why ethos fails to package, the files are here:
lardmanyay librest built ok for Fremantle02:13
lardmanbed time, night all02:13
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wazd <- raid logo concept :)02:16
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SpeedEvilwazd: I'm not getting the herring.02:27
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wazdtux that's made up from 3 sources :)02:33
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GeneralAntilleszerojay, ping?02:58
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Yo.02:58
GeneralAntilleszerojay, you want a cloak?02:58
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Sure.02:58
GeneralAntillesGet out of here. :P02:59
SpeedEvilI think you have to cower at his feet or something. Maybe feed him herring.02:59
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, Ed uses ed_ here afair03:03
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yeah, I seem to recall that too.03:04
* GeneralAntilles keeps forgetting maemo-community does reply-to munging.03:04
GeneralAntillesBoth are registered with NickServ03:04
GeneralAntillesNeither is obviously the one we're after (at least to my powers of detection).03:05
GeneralAntillesyerga, ping?03:06
zerojayGeneralAntilles: My host is changing quite dramatically in about two or three days.03:07
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, true, I got strange names for ed__ and ed_03:07
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Is the cloak done by host or by username?03:08
GeneralAntillesIt's by your account with nickserv.03:08
GeneralAntillesSo, username.03:09
GeneralAntillesIt's set when you identify with nickserv.03:09
fiferboyI can see yours :)03:09
* GeneralAntilles is BMF.03:10
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Do I gotta reconnect for it to take effect?03:12
GeneralAntilleszerojay, no, you gotta wait for me to give the list to X-Fade for him to give to a Freenode staffer. :P03:12
zerojayViva la Freenode.03:13
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fureddoI have an application that work on both Diablo and Fremantle.  On Fremantle, I have been told to optify the application.  Do I also need to optify it for Diablo as well?  That would be convenient as it is the same code.03:31
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GAN900fureddo, no.03:36
GAN900But you can.03:36
GAN900It just doens't do anything useful.03:36
fureddoSo it's not really recommended.03:37
fureddoIs the /opt partition garanteed to be there for devices using Diablo?03:37
GAN900Hopefully it'll be handled autobuilder side soon so you can ship the same stuff for both.03:37
GAN900No, there's no partition.03:37
GAN900But the folder will be there.03:38
fureddoIf I undersand correctly, there is just one partition?03:38
GAN900 /opt is just a folder in Diablo, it's a separate partition in Fremantle.03:39
Macerany news on an official release date?03:40
fureddoJust to give me an idea...  On a "typical" Diablo device, how much memory is available for applications?03:40
GAN900Macer, November.03:40
GAN900About 120MB03:41
fureddoOk.  Thanks.03:41
Macernovember what? ;)03:41
Macerthats a pretty big month03:41
Macertmob going to offer it right out the gate?03:42
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Macersaw the browser vids.. looked pretty good03:42
SpeedEvilGAN900: have you ever had it swap usefully?03:42
Macersomeone needs to make a 1280x1024 3.5" mobile screen03:43
GAN900SpeedEvil, it runs about 100MB usually.03:43
Maceror maybe03:43
Macersomething a little more wide03:43
GAN900Er, yeah, 5:4 is incredibly stupid for a landscape mobile device.03:44
SpeedEvilI want a pocket-sized 35" screen.03:44
GAN900You want 1024x600 @ 3.7"03:44
GAN900Which is just borderline usable.03:45
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, it uses swap a lot better than Diablo devices.03:47
Maceri have to seriously get ntpd going on my web server03:47
MacerGAN900: heh03:47
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Macerwould be nice to quit side scrolling pages03:47
SpeedEvilor just use pool.ntp.com03:47
MacerSpeedEvil: er. that requires getting ntpd going03:48
SpeedEvilMacer: oh - I thought you meant as a server03:48
SpeedEvilanyway - ntpd is thankfully easy03:48
Maceri could ntpdate the box.. but in vbox the emulated rtc acts strange03:48
Macerit does its job :)03:48
Macerrtc in my fbsd vbox seems to only work when not sleeping on the opensolaris host03:49
Macerso it loses quite a bit of time03:49
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qoleDoes this cloak make me look fat?04:05
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fiferboyqole: Nice cloak04:13
fiferboyYou look like a wizard04:13
GeneralAntillesqole, yes, fatty.04:14
fureddoGAN900, You mentioned that there is no way, at the moment, for autobuilder to handle optification automatically.  Is there a "manual" way?  I mean, is it possible to tell the autobuilder to compile this chunk of code for Diablo or that chunk of code for Fremantle (maybe using C++ preprocessor directives or something like that)?04:14
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johnxallo all04:25
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wazdjohnx: heya04:26
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johnxwazd, hey. how's the weather?04:26
wazdjohnx: OM or street? :D04:32
johnxoutside :P04:32
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wazdjohnx: worst possible)04:32
wazdjohnx: very light rain and cold wind04:33
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johnxworst possible? that's pretty optimistic :P04:33
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wazdI hate autumn :)04:33
wazdAnd looks like we'll have 9 months of autumn and 3 of summer :D04:34
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wazdjohnx: <- what do you think bout FM UI?04:34
wazddamn, I should definitely replace "maximum" with some other name04:35
johnxI very much dig it :)04:35
|Rme too04:35
wazdsimplified it as much as possible)04:36
johnxare the dots for stations it knows exist? or bookmarks?04:39
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wazdjohnx: emm, that's a good question :D04:43
wazdjohnx: maybe better do em as "known"04:44
wazdand to jump to the bookmark - press the title04:44
wazdTitle also works as RDS display (dunno if RDS is available on n900)04:45
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GeneralAntillesWhere did Nokia get its FM station info in Diablo?04:47
GeneralAntillesWe need to get that info.04:47
wazdjohnx: and how are you btw?04:47
wazdjohnx: looks like you're in japan again? :)04:47
* wazd looks at the time04:47
johnxjust back from work04:47
wazdjohnx: damn, world is huge :)04:47
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johnxdoing pretty well really. work is kind of exciting because they expect me to be a sys admin and a help desk04:49
wazdGeneralAntilles: ?04:49
johnxso they expect me to answer peoples' tickets right away and also give them sane projections about when the new LDAP/mail server will be in place04:50
wazdWe can even integrate this site with an app04:51
GeneralAntilleswazd, man, this is missing so many stations.04:51
wazdso user can add station right from his device04:51
GeneralAntillesjohnx, sounds exciting.04:51
wazdGeneralAntilles: Moscow is fine :)04:51
GeneralAntillesAnswering people's tickets right away is never productive in the long run, though. ;)04:52
johnxwell. my version of right away is "when I think you need it" multiplied by "how much I like you" :D04:53
wazdGeneralAntilles: http://www.fmlist.org04:53
GeneralAntillesjohnx, answering immediately just makes 'em dependent. ;)04:54
johnxI get a pretty good ratio of people who later reply to their own ticket to tell me they figured it out :)04:55
wazdnot sure if it is the right site04:55
johnxI once got a mail from someone with the line "I can't send mail"04:55
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johnxthough actually most of the help tickets I end up replying to with something along the lines of "fixed in fremantle"04:56
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johnxaside: I'm looking forward to regressions that happen in harmattan just so I can reply "fixed in fremantle"04:57
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samad_hello all05:32
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Analiasanyone know if there is a way to determine the current dependencies for maemo core components in git?  Or do I simply try using the latest tagged version in the tree?05:41
johnxAnalias, nope. no idea05:44
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Analiasok, should make life interesting anyway :)05:44
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sarowerGood morning all,06:14
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BBNSfull pages of droid news ...06:15
BBNSdroid droid droid ...06:15
sarowerI have an application and it has some dependency suppose libhildonmm. I want that when my application will be installed, these library will also be installed in the system if it does not have06:16
sarowerHow i can do it?06:16
sarowerSo far as i know i have to give it to the control file06:16
sarowerBut do not know exactly how?06:16
sarowerAny body can help me?06:17
sarowerThe full process]06:17
sarowerBBNS: yes!06:18
BBNSsarower, i don't remember the full process sorry06:18
sarowerBBNS: but some clue06:18
BBNSsarower, i usually just downloaded other people's source and modified their control file.06:18
sarowerBBNS: Ok, any link?06:19
sarowerBBNS: And how do you do that?06:19
qolemorning? I just put my kid to bed...06:19
ShadowJKit's always morning on the internet06:19
BBNSsarower, apt-get source pkgname?06:19
BBNSqole, =] and now you have to go to work without sleep?06:20
sarowerBBNS: In the control file?06:20
BBNSsarower, read the link carefully.06:20
sarowerBBNS: Ok, thank you06:21
BBNSwherever you want. doesn't matter.06:21
qoleBBNS, no it is only 9pm here.06:21
BBNSqole, ah ... missed the questionmark06:22
qolesarower wrote "Good morning all" and I haven't even had my evening yet.06:23
sarowerqole: then what i have to do!06:24
qolethe world is a big place with many time zones...06:26
qoleand my whisky is almost empty!06:27
GAN900Android is all about the hype.06:30
BBNSGAN900, Nokia is pretty suck at marketing in recent years and hasn't attracted enough developers yet.06:31
BBNSand Symbian CEO's talk was disappointing ... never figured out the problem itself but called Google evil? err ...06:32
BBNSi am not a google fan though ... just be clear.06:32
clearyBBNS: got a (kind of) funny story on nokia marketing tactics06:33
BBNScleary, i know ... it's especially frustrating you got cool people in maemo team but ...06:34
clearywe used to use a product of theirs called intellisync - they decided to drop support for it, and at least some of the core features wound up in domino (and exchange iirc)06:34
clearyhow to market this: "We've moved intellisync support into your core mailserver, it's going to be cheap easy to support, and generally great. Btw, your intellisync service will be EOL in 2 months06:35
clearyHow nokia Marketed it: "Your intellisync service will be EOL in 2 months"06:35
BBNScleary, well ... you know, there are lots of great products ended up like this ...06:35
clearybut I believe they actually did a good thing06:36
clearyjust sold it terribly06:36
clearyI'm a fan of nokia products, and their direction in general06:36
clearybut jesus christ they don't help themselves sometimes06:36
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BBNSthey know the problem i believed. however, there is a missing component there.06:37
* cleary apologises for the rant06:37
BBNScleary, =P healthy rant is good for body.06:38
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ShadowJKcleary, I think it's well established that Nokia Marketing people couldn't sell water to dehydrated tourists in Sahara06:44
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clearyShadowJK: just making sure ;)06:47
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ShadowJKalthough encouragingly n900 banner ads seem to exist now, instead of N97 ones06:48
clearythe equivalent would be them putting in a free water cooler behind a tree and then telling the tourists to just fuck off when they ask about buying some06:48
cleary^ that is encouraging :)06:49
cleary(what was also encouraging was how much better the n97 here is running after the v2.x firmware upgrade)06:50
GeneralAntillesYeah, there's actually some advertising budget going into the N900.06:50
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Milo-for n900, is there a way of flashing the camera light? with C-function? /proc? /sys? or with a bash-command?07:05
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GeneralAntillesMilo-, probably dbus07:11
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Milo-hmm okay, hopedfully it's controllable, I can't wait to cause seizures on public transportation devices07:17
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timeless_mbpShadowJK: where do you see these ads?08:14
* timeless_mbp hasn't seen them08:14
timeless_mbpmaybe i'm visiting the wrong part of the internet?08:14
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GAN900YouTube somewhere08:16
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johnxxgrrr...stupid powerbook keyboard light08:19
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johnxxcomes on at half brightness making the backlight color indistinguishable from the color of the keys08:19
johnxxfantastic engineering ...08:19
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wazdReheya all08:23
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wazdSeriously, can somebody here clarify if I can give my n900 discount to other person?08:29
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RST38hafaik you cannot08:30
RST38hbut I do not think there is a way to verify that08:31
wazdOk then, I definitely  won't then ;)08:33
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Flandry_is the maemo repository down?08:38
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RST38hYooohooo, VGBA is moving to extras08:40
RST38hOther packages are not that lucky though =(08:40
Flandry_very slow eh08:40
Flandry_fails to resolve for me08:40
RST38hno problems with dns here08:41
johnxRST38h, what's the framerate look like?08:41
RST38hjohnx: depends08:41
RST38hjohnx: 20-60fps depending on how much it needs to draw08:42
johnxis it just a lack of CPU speed?08:42
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RST38hmostly memory bandwidth08:42
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johnxplanning any exotic optimizations?08:42
RST38hhaving to draw 4 playfields with transparency and sprites is a bitch08:42
RST38hI am through with optimizations now. Last thing I did was rewriting display driver in pure assembly. It did not make any difference.08:43
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johnxthat's a bummer08:44
RST38hBut removing any single LDR/STR (at the cost of correct picture) brings framerate up08:44
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johnxI wonder how the GBA gets away with it, with so little memory bandwidth?08:44
johnxor does it have some weird trick, like SRAM for a framebuffer?08:45
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t_s_ohmm, i seem to hit a break in the net after some routers...08:45
RST38hwell GBA does not have to do computations, they are all in hardware08:45
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RST38hit does not have to lookup palette array and write the bitmap08:46
johnxsuppose so08:46
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RST38hand it has got separate high perf (by GBA standards) VRAM and OAM08:46
johnxt_s_o, internetpulse doesn't show any outages, but I'm sure it doesn't show the whole picture...08:47
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t_s_oheh, the last address on the traceroute was a pure ip, but it seems to be nokia related as google led me straight to
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sarowerI have an application and it has some dependency suppose libhildonmm. I want that when my application will be installed, these library will also be installed in the system if it does not have. How i can do it? So far as i know i have to give it to the control file. But do not know exactly how? Any body can help me? The full process09:14
johnxsarower, add it to the "Depends:" line of the control file09:15
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sarowerjohnx: Nothing else?09:16
sarowerjohnx: Will it install these from online09:16
sarowerjohnx: From the repository?09:16
johnxas long as they're available from the repository09:16
sarowerjohnx: But for my case i had to install it manually09:16
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KhertanHi !09:16
johnxhey Khertan09:16
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sarowerjohnx: How i can test it?09:17
johnxsarower, if you're trying to get something in Extras, all its dependencies need to be in Extras as well09:17
johnxis libhildonmm available from any repository?09:17
sarowerjohnx:  Of course09:18
KhertanDid you think doing an application for user for dectecting which package aren't optify and eat place on / will be usefull ?09:18
johnxKhertan, maybe? but there are some good scripts for that already09:18
sarowerjohnx: it is in the ""09:18
Khertanjohnx: really ?09:18
Khertanwhere to ?09:18
johnxsarower, in Extras?09:18
johnxKhertan, on the forum and on the wiki page on optifying09:19
johnxjust one-liners...09:19
sarowerjohnx: no in extras-devel09:19
sarowerjohnx:  I think09:19
johnxsarower, if you're trying to get your app in Extras, you need to get all the dependencies in Extras as well09:19
sarowerjohnx: No my app in local system09:20
Khertanjohnx : <<< my own script09:21
johnxsarower, so what are you trying to accomplish? are you planning to distribute your app to other people?09:21
Khertandidn't found any in nor
sarowerjohnx: No09:21
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sarowernot now09:22
johnxsarower, then if it works for you, you're all set. automatically getting dependencies doesn't work for .deb files unless they're part of a repository (that's simplifying it a bit, but overall, that's the case)09:22
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sarowerjohnx: That means if i do not keep my app in a repository i can not get the dependencies automatically, right?09:24
johnxpretty much09:24
johnx(unless you install it with an app like gdebi)09:25
sarowerjohnx: In that case what would be the work around?09:25
johnxinstall the dependencies manually09:25
sarowerjohnx: My God!09:25
johnxor: dpkg -i app.deb && apt-get -f install09:25
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johnxbasically you end up installing an app without the deps it needs, then using apt-get to fix the situation09:26
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sarowerjohnx: Will it work in the device if i eun from a script?09:26
johnxan installer script?09:26
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: you'll have more staff than maemo devices in 5 years :)09:26
timeless_mbpnokia org names don't last that long :)09:27
sarowerjohnx: Shell script09:27
sarowerjohnx: Where i will give these command!09:27
johnxthe file manager won't launch scripts09:27
johnxjust make a repository and give a .install link09:27
johnxor get your app in extras09:28
sarowerjohnx: Thats App distribution system, right?09:28
sarowerjohnx:  I must distribute publicly!09:28
sarowerjohnx:  In that case09:28
johnxExtras is public09:29
sarowerjohnx: Hmm09:29
johnxyou can make your own private apt repository09:29
* timeless_mbp has one sadly09:29
* timeless_mbp is still looking for users09:29
sarowerjohnx: Any way if i want to install the deb package through application manager, I must install the dependencies manually, right?09:30
sarowerjohnx: Ok thank you vary much09:31
timeless_mbpsarower: you could write a patch to ham to fix that09:31
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sarowertimeless_mbp: That is not my scope currently09:31
timeless_mbpall it takes is creating a temporary repo which just has a list of the single package you're installing, running update, and trying to use the standard install process09:31
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timeless_mbpand then removing the temporary repo and updating again09:31
timeless_mbpsarower: something to think about09:32
sarowertimeless_mbp: Ok, That's right... thinking... ha ha haaaaaa09:32
timeless_mbpfwiw, localizations take about 14mb in /usr/share/locale, something like .5 per lang09:32
timeless_mbpsarower: some day, some day...09:33
sarowertimeless_mbp: Hmm.......... ha ha haaaa09:33
johnxtimeless, good candidate for /opt IMHO09:33
sarower timeless_mbp: If you pay for it then i can start (Kiding)09:33
Flandry_no, i think the repo is downn09:33
sarower timeless_mbp: From today!09:33
Flandry_my package is even failing on the autobuilder because of failed connections09:34
timeless_mbpjohnx: i'm not sure09:34
timeless_mbpis it worth it?09:34
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timeless_mbpyou don't want your live locale to be optified09:34
johnxwhy? if it's needed it'll be in RAM09:35
johnxif it isn't it won't09:35
timeless_mbpdoesn't work09:35
timeless_mbphaving played w/ things, the system is really stupid09:35
timeless_mbpand actually, to be fair, it's probably 12mb base09:35
johnxthe linux VM subsystem stupid?09:35
timeless_mbpbecause i have 2 extra locales (en-us-nokia en-us-timeless)09:35
timeless_mbpno, something we do is09:35
johnxit's less stupid than anything else I've seen09:35
timeless_mbpnot sure what / whose fault09:35
* timeless_mbp disagrees09:36
timeless_mbpwindows caching is much better in this area09:36
johnxyeah. gonna disagree there09:36
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timeless_mbpwe haven't spent time figuring out if there's an error in how ubifs is implemented09:36
timeless_mbpor how gettext works09:36
timeless_mbpor if there's something else flying around09:36
johnxah well. I'll "optify" my locales and tell you if it sucks09:36
timeless_mbpall i know is that if i use /bin/cp to replace a file on disk then the running app can crash or misrender09:37
timeless_mbpwhich really shouldn't happen (tm)09:37
johnxI don't think that's an FS bug09:38
johnxI can tell you how to make it happen on your mac09:38
johnxbut at least ccooke's script makes it easy to play with opting / un-opting arbitrary packages in an installed system09:39
Flandry_does the app manager on N900 have a mechanism built in to not allow an install if it would fill root?09:39
johnxFlandry_, ... kind of a good question09:39
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johnxi'm not sure if it actually has the information it needs to make that decision09:40
Flandry_it should all be in the .deb09:40
Flandry_except after install scrip actions i guess09:40
johnxwell the .deb has an 'installed size' field, not fields for  'space in /' 'space in /opt'09:40
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Flandry_i don't know what the anatomy of a packaged deb is like, but the maintainer tools know what goes where -- it's inside the deb after all09:42
Flandry_anyway i will create a brainstorm entry09:42
johnxand dpkg can get a list of what goes where, but not the size of individual elements09:42
Flandry_i just wanted to ask if it already exists09:42
timeless_mbpjohnx: hrm09:43
timeless_mbpthere's a script to optify live packages?09:43
johnxFlandry_, do that. and also suggest they add fields: X-space-in-root: 4321, X-space-in-opt: 123409:43
johnxtimeless_mbp, yeah09:43
timeless_mbpis there a ui?09:43
johnxthank god09:43
johnxcaveat: if you 'optify' something needed before /opt is mounted you get to keep the pieces09:44
* timeless_mbp nods09:44
RST38hX-Fade: slowed down to a crawl09:44
timeless_mbpbeen there, did that09:44
RST38hjohnx: But... who would ever need THAT? :)09:45
timeless_mbpoh, so mgedmin got the doubled directory feature09:45
timeless_mbpi had that for all of the system folders09:45
timeless_mbpi'm glad someone else got it!09:45
RST38hIt is present for all system folders09:45
RST38hAnd there is a bug for it09:45
ShadowJKtimeless, oh it was a forum thread full of people whining about the n900 delay09:46
ShadowJKin finnish09:46
johnxRST38h, the gui? yeah no need for it. or optifying the ovi maps app? priceless.09:46
RST38hjohnx: Ah, sneaky09:46
timeless_mbpjohnx: i'd be tempted to write a gui for optifying live packages09:46
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johnxtimeless_mbp, first write some logic that detects whether the file is needed before /opt is mounted09:47
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RST38hjohnx: Which part of Ovi Maps is being used like that btw? =)09:47
johnxRST38h, on my system? I optified all of it09:48
* timeless_mbp ponders09:48
johnxdoesn't seem any *less* responsive :)09:48
RST38hjohnx: ok, so Ovi Maps is kosher to optify?09:48
johnxguess so09:48
johnx<- lab rat09:48
* RST38h promoting optified ati85 as we speak09:49
timeless_mbpRST38h: ovi maps is basically a browser host09:49
johnxRST38h, just use ccooke's script: the rule is that every time you use it to optify a nokia package rather than a "fat" 3rd party app, you have to take a drink09:49
timeless_mbpif it does something wrong optified, it's more broken than i know of09:49
RST38hjohnx: I do not use stuff that I do not understand09:49
johnxRST38h, guess that disqualifies you from both parts :)09:50
RST38hjohnx: So, just went into my own makefile and moved /usr/share/<app> to /opt/<app>09:50
RST38hHopefully this will also work on Maemo409:50
johnxit should09:50
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timeless_mbpRST38h: did you fix the .desktop file?09:51
johnxcan always mkdir -p /opt if you need to09:51
RST38hBTW, we hould make a special package for Maemo4 that creates /opt on Maemo409:51
* RST38h fixed everything09:51
qwerty12_N810RST38h: /opt already exists...09:51
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RST38hI mean, creates it in a proper place09:51
timeless_mbp /opt is a standard directory in unix09:51
RST38hqwerty: yes, but isn't it on / ?09:51
timeless_mbpRST38h: what's more proper?09:51
johnxRST38h, there's no sane place given that maemo4 is for the n800 and n81009:52
RST38hthere is mmc09:52
timeless_mbpyou realize that the other file system is fat3209:52
timeless_mbpand it goes away when using usb09:52
johnxRST38h, and when someone pulls the mmc?09:52
RST38hn810 mmc is soldered in09:52
RST38hone of 'em anyway09:52
timeless_mbpRST38h: the mmc is FAT and goes away when you use usb09:52
johnxa tool to let people choose where their opt should be would be neat09:52
timeless_mbpso it's just like a removable volume09:52
RST38hFine for data09:52
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timeless_mbpjohnx: not like that09:53
RST38hthe usb thing is a problem though, yes09:53
timeless_mbpif you're going to do it, it should be a tool that safely repartitions the internal mmc09:53
johnxRST38h, if your program wrote to my mmc on my n800 without asking, then failed to work when I removed it09:53
johnxI would not be happy09:53
RST38hjohnx: you should solder your mmc2 =)09:53
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timeless_mbpRST38h: you should just buy him an n81009:54
johnxjust doing some role playing :P I have no use for maemo4 on my n800 anymore09:54
qwerty12_N810Oh, you got Maemo 5 working on it?09:54
RST38hLet me guess: mer?09:55
johnxqwerty12_N810, in mer right now, testing h-i-m fullscreen09:55
qwerty12_N810Heh, nice...09:55
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johnxh-d2 without hw accel is n o t ... s o .... f a a a st09:55
RST38hShit, why does always decide to act slow when I need it?09:56
KhertanRST38h: surely because i need it too09:56
* RST38h considers wrestling bandwidth from Khertan's cold dead hands09:56
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johnxfinal battle. fight!09:57
RST38hFinal? There are few hundred more of 'em there =)09:57
* qwerty12_N810 gets his crowbar09:58
* johnx still needs to find sound clips from the first soul calibur09:58
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ShadowJKbrowser host... I guess no vector maps :-)10:04
johnxthey are10:04
johnxand it's reasonably quick...but the UI is ... odd10:04
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johnxto anyone interested: the cert expired last month10:08
Stskeepswell most sane things moved to m.g.o now didnt they?10:09
johnxexcept the things that don't10:09
* johnx looks10:09
johnx...while he waits for h-i-m-example to build again10:10
Stskeepsprobably gtk+ still there10:10
achipaX-Fade: ping10:10
johnxyeah. no way that's going upstream now :/10:10
achipaX-Fade: could you shed some light on ?10:13
achipaX-Fade: Is it the autobuilder acting out or am I not seeing the forest from the trees ?10:13
achipaX-Fade: It builds fine in the SDK10:13
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sarowerHelo all10:40
sarowerdepends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2:2.12.9-0osso1); however:10:40
sarowerVersion of libgtk2.0-0 on system is 2.16.1-0ubuntu2.10:40
johnxyou probably don't need to specify libgtk that specifically10:41
sarowerWhat is the problem?10:41
sarowerjohnx: I am going to install a package and it is giving this error!10:42
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johnxyou're trying to install a maemo package on ubuntu?10:42
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sarower1 min10:44
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sarowerjohnx: Boss Thank you10:47
sarowerjohnx: I have got it10:47
sarowerjohnx: One of my friend has done it!!!10:48
johnxsure. no problem :)10:48
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Doh10:50
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pupnik_timeless_mbp: ty message sent11:02
timeless_mbpgood luck11:02
timeless_mbpi think there will be semi regular ferries, but my guess is that we're talking about quarterly11:02
pupnik_i could use post/fedex or would that be bad11:02
timeless_mbpso you really want to catch this one :)11:03
timeless_mbpdunno, remember i never read/signed the doc you got11:03
timeless_mbpand i rarely ship stuff w/in germany11:03
timeless_mbp(i wasn't eligible, so picking up the page wasn't something to do)11:03
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pupnik_someone build a decent speed 7" tablet with an ultraslim metal ipod case11:20
timeless_mbpgeotagging in my n900 is sometimes flaky11:20
timeless_mbpPicasa 3.5 is telling me this11:20
pupnik_apple will do it and half the people will act like they invented the tablet11:21
pupnik_to sell well, it has to look 2010.  not like 1992 plastic box tech11:23
johnxyeah, no buttons, fingerprint magnet. got it11:24
johnxit also has to have software, and that's the sticking point11:24
pupnik_if nokia builds one, maemo11:25
johnxdo maemo apps really scale in terms of resolution?11:25
tekojoping kulve11:25
pupnik_i would prefer non-fingerprint texturized plastic, and a durable nonglare display with slight stylus resistance (no gloss/glass)11:26
* timeless_mbp ponders11:26
pupnik_johnx, for this target audience yes11:26
timeless_mbpwhat's the maximum latitude allowed on earth?11:26
pupnik_a number springs to mind but i dunno11:27
johnxtimeless, 9011:27
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pupnik_hmm how bout i make some 3d renders and take preorders11:27
timeless_mbpjohnx: so if my camera reported something like 10411:27
johnxpupnik_, I'm pre-ordered out :|11:27
johnxtimeless_mbp, are you or were on a non-spherical body or in a zone where normal space-time is distorted?11:28
timeless_mbpnot intentionally...11:28
pupnik_careful with the punch at those cia parties11:29
timeless_mbpcould someone please check the metadata for that image?11:29
johnxdid you set your preferred 'geometry' correctly in the control panel?11:29
timeless_mbpwhat were my choices?11:29
timeless_mbpis the coordinates according to picasa 3.5 for mac11:30
* timeless_mbp ponders11:31
* timeless_mbp will fix enus.1/enus.0 to not live on /11:32
timeless_mbphow do i view a list of packages in extras-testing? :)11:32
johnxless /var/lib/apt/lists/foo11:33
Stskeepshow on earth do you select text in new browser?11:33
timeless_mbpStskeeps: please watch the maemo5ui team presentations11:34
timeless_mbpor use the bookmark that explains it11:34
timeless_mbp(or we could tell you, but you know, the device comes w/ a bookmark for this for a reason)11:34
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* timeless_mbp sighs11:35
timeless_mbpwhy is HAM not maemo5 friendly?11:35
timeless_mbpif i file bugs against ham in, can someone please post patches?11:35
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johnxpatches that exist? or patches that you expect me to write?11:36
timeless_mbpthe latter11:37
timeless_mbpthey should be simple11:37
timeless_mbpis there a real fremantle hig?11:40
* timeless_mbp wonders if kmplayer has a bug tracker11:40
timeless_mbpit does, great!11:41
johnxand there's a nice HIG IIRC11:41
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johnxtime for sleep...hopefully I'll wake up to a happily compiled h-i-m-example11:48
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ensiyou guys know how to kick of browser11:56
ensi(from another process)11:57
ensitrying in the terminal "run-standalone /usr/bin/browser"11:57
adeusare you still doing qt?11:57
ensigives me this11:57
ensi-:1: error: invalid string constant "osso-combobox-entry-arrow", expected valid string constant11:57
ensiand nothing shows up11:57
ensiadeus: ueaj11:58
timeless_mbpensi: there's a dbus command to ask it to load a url11:58
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ensitimeless_mbp: any you point me to  relevant doc?11:58
adeushave you tried qdesktopservices11:58
ensiadeus: nope11:59
adeusthen you should :)11:59
ensiah very nice11:59
ensii try that11:59
ensithanks mate11:59
timeless_mbpqt stuff?11:59
ensiwhats wrong with qt? (;12:00
timeless_mbpensi: suggestion "use google"12:00
ensiok ok12:01
* timeless_mbp picked the third hit because it seemed nice12:01
adeusI would still use the qdesktopservices (assuming it works)12:02
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timeless_mbpbut the first hit seems to have the same info...12:02
timeless_mbpadeus: um, unless someone's using qt, pulling in qt is kinda overkill12:02
adeusof course12:03
adeusbut for ensi12:03
timeless_mbpis he using qt?12:03
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adeusor deciphered that from the "ueash12:04
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timeless_mbpoh, i don't speak that language12:04
adeus"ueaj" answer :)12:04
samad_hello, i want to reboot PC from application popup menu of N900 i have tried using  system("reboot")12:07
timeless_mbpsamad_: you need to be su root to do that12:07
samad_but there is no succesfull output12:07
timeless_mbpso you'd use sudo12:07
timeless_mbpbut i hope you don't intend to add one click dataloss12:07
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samad_timeless_mbp, i am not clear about one click dataloss12:10
SpeedEvilI think reboot just reboots instantly12:10
SpeedEvilshutdown -t 0 now12:10
ensiadeus: QDesktopServices gets the job done12:11
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timeless_mbpanyone know why i have 2 mancala packages available in ham?12:33
timeless_mbpmaemo-mancala and mancala12:34
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Ceron^aint there any n900 user12:45
Ceron^who uses mail for exhange12:45
zerojayI do.12:45
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* RST38h wonders why nobody votes for Crimson Fields12:54
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sarowerhello all,12:59
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sarowerAfter installing my application i am prompting to user to that "It is needed to restart your device". If click on yes then need to reboot the device. How i can do it from my application?13:00
SpeedEvilsystem("shutdown -h -t 0 now") is the non-maemo way that should work13:01
SpeedEvilI assume there is probably an official way to do it though.13:01
SpeedEvilerr - withotu the -h13:01
sarowerSpeedEvil:  from my maemo application13:02
SpeedEvilI mean - call the shutdown program13:03
sarowerSpeedEvil: So for device will this command work?13:03
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SpeedEvilI believe so - however - I don't have a device to try it on.13:03
sarowerSpeedEvil: And will not the command system("restart -h -t 0 now")?13:04
SpeedEvilnever heard of restart13:04
SpeedEvilshutdown -t 0 now13:04
SpeedEvilnot -h - that was a thinko13:04
sarowerdoe it means: restart?13:04
SpeedEvil(and there is probably a 'proper' way to do this. This will restart a normal linux system.13:05
SpeedEvilAnd I believe it should work just fine for the phone. There might be a proper method that will - for example - warn the user if there are alarms in the next x minutes before restarting. Also - why do you need to restart?13:05
timeless_mbpreboot works13:06
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timeless_mbpbut you need to use sudo13:06
timeless_mbpbecause it's not a command that random apps should be using13:06
timeless_mbpthe problem w/ reboot isn't how it shuts down13:06
timeless_mbpit's that any attempt to trigger a reboot w/o getting user approval *will* cause dataloss13:07
sarowertimeless_mbp: So what is the actual way to restart the device from my application?13:07
timeless_mbpbecause the user is likely to have open windows13:07
timeless_mbpsarower: 1. ask the user to confirm they want to restart13:07
timeless_mbp2. sudo reboot13:07
SpeedEviltimeless: what does the 'off' button do?13:07
timeless_mbp(assuming that works, i haven't checked to see if it does)13:07
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: do you have a device?13:07
SpeedEviltimeless: does it ask about open programs and stuff?13:07
timeless_mbpthe user has to either:13:08
SpeedEviltimeless: Not delivered to me alas.13:08
sarowertimeless_mbp: from my application i neeed to do tha... like system("reboot")13:08
timeless_mbp1. press and hold the power key for an incredibly long time (~10s)13:08
timeless_mbp2. press the power key, and find the turn off button, then press it (not the same plane)13:08
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sarowertimeless_mbp:  To make the change effect of some configuration i need to do tha13:09
timeless_mbpsarower: like "sudo ..." not "..."13:09
timeless_mbpbut agian13:09
timeless_mbpyou need to get permission (non system modal) from the user13:09
timeless_mbpbecause otherwise you're going to piss off the user13:09
timeless_mbpbecause you might have eaten his chance at a bid on a 1$ n900 from ebay13:09
timeless_mbpor maybe he was on the phone trying to cancel a hotel stay at the last minute13:10
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RST38hAnyone knows how I add an application author in a Downloads app page?13:10
timeless_mbpand if you reboot, he runs out of time and has to pay 500 EUR for a room because he won't be going there and it's now less than 24 hours before the day13:10
RST38hIt lets me search but does not let me do anything with the search results13:10
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SpeedEvilsarower: also - you need to add an option 'I'll reboot later'13:11
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sarowerSpeedEvil: Ok i have the option, Need restart. restart now? yes---> restart, no----->not restarted13:12
timeless_mbpnot "no" , "I'll restart later"13:12
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timeless_mbpand not really "yes", "Restart Now"13:12
sarowerSpeedEvil:: But i need the system command to be executed from my code!13:13
sarowertimeless_mbp: Is there any API to do that?13:13
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timeless_mbplooks like you basically write the reboot app as its own app which has the confirm prompt there13:15
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timeless_mbpand stick a line for it into /etc/sudoers.d/ask-to-reboot-sarower.sudoers13:16
timeless_mbpnone of the current sudoers lines offers rebooting13:16
timeless_mbpso um13:17
timeless_mbpdid anyone look at my photo?13:17
RST38hBTW, anyone encountered a problem where you set the sound to mute, and it goes back to the original setting without asking you>13:18
timeless_mbpthere's an explanation for what triggers that13:18
timeless_mbpbut i can't remember it13:18
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AnunakinHi All!13:20
zap_RST38h: mediabox is playing with volume for me13:20
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RST38hzap: Even when you tell it "mute!" via the status bar thing?13:21
zap_RST38h: it saves/restores it on exit or something like that13:22
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zap_do you use mediabox too?13:22
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RST38hI just ran ColEm and got this problem. Will try to recreate.13:23
zerojayAlrighty... so I'm moving on Saturday... probably cutting my net connection tonight... dunno when I'll have net set up at my new place (or even if I have a new place yet)...13:24
zerojaySo I'm not dead.13:24
RST38hShit, the application page editing thing is just BROKEN13:24
timeless_mbpRST38h: fwiw, it can easily happen w/o using third party apps13:24
timeless_mbpi just can't remember the steps13:24
RST38hAnd it has been broken for months if not years :(13:25
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RST38hX-Fade: Are you there? =)13:27
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timeless_mbpRST38h: hrm13:29
timeless_mbpi consider this mostly an n900 bug13:30
timeless_mbpi.e. probably most of fremantle's life13:30
timeless_mbpi don't recall ever having problems w/ this in diablo or earlier13:30
RST38hOh I am not talking about the volume13:30
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timeless_mbpexcept when something like AB cheated and did some non atomic operations13:30
timeless_mbpapplication editing page?13:30
RST38hIt is pretty much not possible to edit app details =(13:30
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RST38hheya vdvsx13:31
VDVsxRST38h, hello :)13:31
timeless_mbpwhat's an app?13:32
RST38hbut any other will do most likely13:32
RST38hCan't add an author. Can't upload screenshot.13:32
timeless_mbpwhat's a url for this?13:32
RST38hAnd can't save the page half of the time13:32
VDVsxRST38h, that's the normal behavior ;)13:33
RST38hVDVsx: This is what I am saying, this thing has been broken for eons13:33
* RST38h blames somebody's playful idea of using Wiki as the content management engine13:34
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timeless_mbpThis object was locked by Marat Fayzullin. Lock will expire on 10/29/09 14:31:20.13:34
RST38hWhere a bunch of PHP scripts and a MySQL database would do an order of magnitude better job13:34
* timeless_mbp breaks the lock13:35
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RST38hOk, let me cancel editing, it is not going to let me do thing anyway13:35
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AndrewFBlackAnyone goten Home IP to work on n900?14:43
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lbt"just works"14:53
lbtAndrewFBlack: ^^14:53
AndrewFBlacknot showing up as widget when I try to add it14:54
lbthmm, it may just have appeared14:54
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AndrewFBlackchecked all 4 desktops don't see it14:55
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kulveon n900:14:56
kulve grep worry /etc/init.d/rcS14:56
kulveecho "/what/me/worry" > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern14:56
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keesjis there a released flashable image for the n900 ?15:02
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gouverneuris it normal that midgard is that slow? its not realy fun to work in brainstorm atm15:03
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lardmancan a g_signal_connect callback have more than one argument, or do I have to place everything in a single struct and pass that?15:06
lardmangouverneur: yeah, seems to be running slow for Garage today too15:06
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Flandry_Err fremantle/sdk Release.gpg15:15
Flandry_  Could not resolve ''15:15
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qwerty12_N810lardman: a struct or you can use g_object_set_data15:15
* Flandry_ kicks the hamster15:15
ali1234Flandry_: scratchbox has it's own /etc/resolv.conf and it's probably out of sync with the main system one15:15
Flandry_it worked for most of the repos at maemo15:16
lardmanqwerty12_N810: ok, thanks15:16
lardmanAny liblocation gurus lurking here?15:17
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_marcell_lardman: not a guru, but I have played with it a little15:19
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lardmanAm trying to rip out the Geoclue innards of emerillon and replace with liblocation15:20
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lardmanjust building now, will post some code in a bit if you're interested15:20
Flandry_but updating the scratchbox resolv.conf seems to help. Thanks :)15:20
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Flandry_hmm red pill mode reverts itself on the SDK15:23
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lardmanhmm, can't get -llocation on the linker line15:26
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lardmandoh! wrong rules file15:27
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onionI'm almost always unable to thumb up/down anything on the maemo site (news, testing pkgs), clicking on them does nothing, any ideas?15:27
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lardmanhmm, qwerty12_N810 you about?15:29
lardmanat last, the respect I deserve! ;)15:29
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qwerty12_N810Yes, lardy15:30
lardmanthat's my rules file, should my LDFLAGS and CFLAGS propogate?15:30
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qwerty12_N810Pass 'em to configure. And, really, you should add it to and autoreconf...15:31
gouverneurFlandry_: never did at mine15:31
woglindeqwerty is right15:32
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woglindewrite the m4 macro test to the autotoolfiles15:32
woglindethat isnt hard15:32
Flandry_someone mentioned it the other day and i was unable to get app manager to update a package. Turns out the "assume network connection" had unchecked itself15:32
lardmanpatches welcome ;)15:33
qwerty12_N810Do it yourself15:33
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woglindelardman bahahahaaa one google for autotools m4 pkgconf15:34
lardmanI hate autotools15:34
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pupnik_why no cputemp/speed in status bar...  any 3rd party app to view/log that?15:34
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pupnik_heyy woglinde i love the freenx - what is planned for it?15:34
lardmanok, thanks worked by passing to configure15:37
lardmanseems broken somewhere else in the code (not my fault)15:37
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_marcell_Flandry_: If I am not mistaken you can set the assume connection by adding "assume-connection 1" line to ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager15:38
_marcell_and there is a "red-pill-premanent" line there too, which is 0 for me15:39
qwerty12_N810lardman: sure15:39
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Shapeshifteris the maemo page this unresonsive, or is it my connection15:40
ShapeshifterI doubt it's my connection.15:40
woglindelardman *g*15:40
hrwShapeshifter: uses 33600 modem15:40
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qwerty12_N810hrw: ...connected to a 77015:41
fiferboylardman: Is your test_abook working?15:41
Shapeshiftertakes a minute to load any page15:41
lardmanfiferboy: no, left it as was last night15:42
lardmanstill a segfault15:42
fiferboylardman: Could you pass me the command you use to compile it?15:42
lardmanwill email the list this evening I guess and ask for help15:42
ShapeshifterWhat's a distmaster?15:42
lardmansure, it's in the same dir15:42
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lardman_marcell_: will have to catch you later re liblocation, need to get back to work15:43
fiferboylardman: Cool.  I'll give it a go.15:43
StskeepsShapeshifter: read the post, it outlines the role15:43
fiferboylardman: Any weird dependencies?15:43
lardmandunno, let me look15:43
ShapeshifterStskeeps: ahh, yes.15:43
lardmannah, nothing that's not in the sdk anyway15:43
fiferboylardman: Cool.  I'll let you know if I come up with anything15:44
lardmanyou can probably trim the list back quite a lot, I just copied it from the autotooled Makefile used to build all the demos15:44
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lardmantherefore there will be stuff in there that's not needed15:44
lardmananyway, may be back online this arvo at work, otherwise will catch you this evening15:45
lardmancu all15:45
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Stskeepsmgedmin: quims post makes it quite clear what i could be useful for15:47
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woglindehe stskeeps gratz15:48
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Shapeshifter"Waiting for"15:49
Shapeshiftermore like waiting for godot15:49
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Stskeepsmgedmin: basically a role to facilitate community systems development15:50
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Shapeshifteruhm... in this "user forum"... there isn't a lot going on, is there. I mean, if I click on it, there's just a summary with like 2 posts per day15:52
Shapeshifteror am I looking in the wrong place?15:52
AndrewFBlackis there a fremantle vnc client yet?15:53
woglindeAndrewFBlack put the source into the builder15:53
woglindesame for qtnx15:53
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AndrewFBlackwoglinde, what source15:54
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woglindeAndrewFBlack the source from diablo extras(testing)?15:54
AndrewFBlackwoglinde, not sure how to build it my self15:55
woglindesetup maemoskd+ ?15:55
woglindeargs sdk15:55
woglindeinstall fremantle stuff15:55
woglinderun sb2 -eR dpkg-buildpackage ?15:56
AndrewFBlackI'll just wait til someone does it or til i have more time to work on getting sdk setup at home15:57
woglindeonly hard think is to wait for the download to finish15:57
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lopzhi !16:00
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, WHICH user forum?16:00
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ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: on are there any other?16:02
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, yeah, -users is a cesspool.16:03
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GeneralAntillesNobody useful subscribes there because it's filled with trolls. ;)16:03
GeneralAntilles would be the proper user "forum"16:03
Shapeshifterahhh. why the two?16:04
Shapeshifternow that looks like a proper forum.16:04
mikhasdoes it?16:04
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, because the maemo-users forum is actually a mailing list. ;)16:04
GeneralAntillesWith a really ugly half-baked font-end on the website.16:04
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Shapeshifterwhen you click "forum" on the community page, you get to maemo-users ^^16:06
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GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, yeah, they either need to be fixed or dropped.16:07
VDVsxI heard trolls !! Do we've new ones ? :P16:07
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx, I haven't looked at the -users list in well over a year16:08
GeneralAntillesand my cardiac health thanks me for it.16:08
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, hehe16:08
mikhas=( Now I will never "thank you" for your posts again ....16:09
VDVsxI've the list subscribed, but usually don't pay to much attention ;)16:09
GeneralAntillesmikhas, hum?16:10
pupnik_websites are too slow16:10
pupnik_i hate them16:10
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pupnik_need a tachyon based browser precacher16:11
pupnik_gets url from the log16:11
pupnik_then sends that back :016:11
* VDVsx misses the trolls sometimes, TMO is so boring this days :P16:12
pupnik_universe divides by zero.  game over: replay16:12
rmtHmm.. seed ( looks interesting.. might be an option for quick web2.0-y gtk-y apps.16:13
pupnik_i am just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round16:13
qwerty12_N810VDVsx: Post videos of your new library on Talk16:13
VDVsxqwerty12_N810, which one, my network library that you're using for your qwertyPornDownloader ? :P16:15
qwerty12_N810That's the one :)16:15
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RST38hX-Fade: here?16:33
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GeneralAntilleskonttori_, ping?16:35
Shapeshiftermh, so there's official n900 delay info?16:35
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GeneralAntillessjgadsby, you want a cloak?16:37
GeneralAntillesIs anybody else really tired of the GNU/Linux people on Wikipedia? <_<16:37
sjgadsbyGeneralAntilles: If there's a limited number of them to go around, no. Give it to a regular here who didn't make the list.16:38
GeneralAntillesNot limited.16:38
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bulfaiterhi, who can i ask to delete my repeated comments on ? It looks like I had a problem and posted 4 times :(16:38
sjgadsbyAh, then I guess so, sure. Thanks.16:38
fiferboylardman|gone: Really gone?16:39
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GeneralAntillesWell, Texrat managed to quote on the right end but he's still quoting way too much text. <_<16:44
* GeneralAntilles hates having to scroll 3 pages to read two lines.16:45
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Shapeshifterwhy do people quote whole posts in forums just to say "I agree"16:45
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GeneralAntillesI don't know.16:46
GeneralAntillesI like people who top-post on web forums, too.16:46
hrwShapeshifter: because they are dumb16:46
GeneralAntillesI can understand it on the lists since most people's clients put the input cursor in the wrong place to begin with16:46
GeneralAntillesbut you have to reposition it to do it wrong on web forums. . . .16:46
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RST38hMost people are dumb, get used to it16:48
pupnik_i get the sdl-games maemo-games frontend standard idea now.  you want to leave the actual build of game as untouched as possible, or get changes into upstream16:48
pupnik_would be nice if we could get clutter to screenshot the game in progress when paused and going to overview16:48
pupnik_what are you doing for that btw RST38h16:49
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pupnik_when user goes to app overview?16:49
pupnik_'pause' screen?16:49
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pupnik_haven't seen the emus on n900 yet16:50
pupnik_not running anything16:50
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ccooke_mail from
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ccooke_about the delay of my wife's n900, so nothing new. But it's interesting - the person writing the mail says they've used a preprod device and it's worth the wait :-)16:55
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GeneralAntillesccooke_, lol.16:59
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lbtccooke_: write back.... "I know.  so have I."17:01
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RST38hbtw, are "classic gaming desktop backgrounds" optified?17:04
GeneralAntillesand I didn't upvote Crimson Fields because it needs a fullscreen mode.17:06
RST38hAh you wikipedian :)17:07
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qolecool. IRC on the bus over EDGE.17:32
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GAN900qole, welcome to 2005. ;)17:34
qwerty12_N810GAN900: Welcome to Canada17:34
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qoleIt's North America with the N90017:35
qoleWell I guess Americans have T-Mobile in "select markets"17:36
qoleI've never had a mobile phone before so I'm still new to truly mobile Maemo17:37
murraycHow can I find out who packaged this: ?17:38
murrayc"apt-get source asciidoc" doesn't seem to work for that.17:38
mikhasah but amigadave showed me that you get a context menu when hovering over the application (1sec?) in the AM you get a "details" button which then shows the packager, too17:39
wazdguys, anyone fammiliar with CSS?17:39
RST38hdepends on what you want to do17:40
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murraycmikhas: I'm not going to enable extras-devel on my N900 just to try that. Anyway, it looks like the maintainer field is empty somehow:
wazdRST38h: is that for me? :)17:42
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murraycmikhas: Ah, I found it here:
mikhasah nice17:43
GeneralAntillesmurrayc, by the way, are you interested in a cloak?17:43
RST38hwazd: yes17:43
murraycThanks. I should have googled too.17:44
murraycOh, so Jermemiah did it?17:44
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RST38hA key component of a $10 billion nuclear fusion plant is vintage 2002 Indonesian coconut-shell charcoal.17:49
RST38hwazd: Sorry will have to talk later17:50
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wazdYay! I've made it!17:58
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VDVsxqwerty12_N810, you know this for sure: what is the d-bus call for the task switcher ? (/me is lost inside the docs) :P18:01
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qwerty12_N810VDVsx: interface: method: exit_app_view18:03
qwerty12_N810On the Session Bus18:03
VDVsxqwerty12_N810, thanks ;)18:03
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qwerty12_N810Ah, is this a quick "escape-route" thing for your library? Good plan ;)18:04
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VDVsxqwerty12_N810, yes, but I'll figure out a way to hide the window somewhere :P18:05
qwerty12_N810Good man18:05
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wazdbtw, for those who was asleep -
wazdwhat do you think?18:06
GeneralAntillesThe N900 commercials seem to have little to do with the UI we've seen so far.18:06
GeneralAntillesThere's no uploading progress bar. . . .18:06
GeneralAntilleswazd, it's the worst.18:07
GeneralAntillesWait, what?18:07
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qwerty12_N810wazd: Did someone give you a screenshot showing what the latest version of the FM Radio looked like?18:08
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VDVsxqwerty12_N810, yup, I did that :)18:10
qwerty12_N810Ah, cool18:10
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VDVsxwazd, I would like to have a list with my favorite radios as well, this looks fine for search but a list with my favorites is more usable for sure :)18:12
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VDVsxsomething like the maemo5 internet radio :)18:13
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hrwwould be nice to add function from S60 radio - fetching list of stations18:13
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SpeedEvilhrw: It can do RDS, so it should be able to do that18:13
GeneralAntillesAnybody investigated how to go about implementing that?18:15
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SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: If it has RDS, it's an annoying parsing job of the RDS data. Then basically scan over all channels18:16
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, probably pycage, since he's the developer of the radio app18:16
SpeedEvil(assuming RDS is implemented in the market area you are in)18:16
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lardmanwould be useful to automatically name the stations that it tunes at least18:18
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hrwSpeedEvil: what about storing sets of stations to select them on trips?18:20
lardmanI think it does that doesn't it?18:21
hrwSpeedEvil: on travel I just select current city in S60, allow to connect to net and I have all stations on phone18:21
lardmanor you mean store them with a location too? ;)18:21
SpeedEvilhrw: that too. you'd probably really want a location list18:21
lardmanah I see18:21
SpeedEviland p2p db thingy18:21
lardmanthat would be good18:21
lardmanwith a description of each station and what they play, and a timetable for when18:21
hrwSpeedEvil: exactly18:22
SpeedEvilAssuming rDS works, otherwise you need to crowdsource or internsource it.18:22
lardmanRDS shuold work18:22
SpeedEvilI mean RDS is valid and used, not hte hardware workd18:22
hrwSpeedEvil: but editable set of stations so each Polish location will have "PR III" on same place in list etc18:22
pupnik_exactly what is happening on N900 bootup after 5-dots animation cycles exactly 10 times?18:22
SpeedEvilpupnik 10 is a lucky number?18:23
wazdqwerty12_N810: yep18:23
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wazdVDVsx: I'll clarify the UI in the new blogpost, everything you want is already here :)18:23
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VDVsxwazd, good :)18:24
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wazdand as you see btw, it's not too hard to make universal UI for both portrait and landscape :)18:28
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lardmanthe FM transmitter has a receiver built in iirc18:28
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wazdlardman: ironicaly no :D18:29
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lardmanwazd: you know that for sure...? ;)18:29
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wazdlardman: they are 2 separate chips18:29
qwerty12_N810lardman: pycage says it's on the Bluetooth chip18:30
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lardmanno, I'm not talking about the main receiver used to listen to stuff18:30
lardmanI'm talking about the one which is supposed to be in the transmitter, so it can see if there's noise on a given band18:30
SpeedEvilIt's one chip18:30
wazdlardman: Receiver is a part of a platform and transmitter is separate chop18:30
SpeedEvilbut it's got a FM and data18:30
lardmanor at least that was my impression of the reasoning18:30
wazdthat's what I heard :)18:30
lardmanSpeedEvil: yeah the BT chip has FM receiver + RDS receiver18:31
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lardmanbut I seem to remember seeing in the spec sheet that the FM transmitter has a receiver too18:31
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lardmanwas just thinking, after using it in the car, and getting loads of interference as I drove along, how to automatically re-tune and avoid those problems18:32
cosmo_hm, i'm getting black xephyr after installing fremantle sdk. the desktop is alive according to log messages, but everything is black18:33
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SpeedEvilI don't know if the FM transmitter has a RDS transmitter in too, that would be shiny.18:34
lardmanit does18:34
lardmanwhich is why it comes up saying "Nokia" on the car stereo18:35
lardmantrack title might be a better bet though18:35
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SpeedEvili think it's possible to do track title seperately18:35
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lardmananyway, was just idle thinking on my part, no time atm to hack on it18:35
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lardmanSpeedEvil: yeah, there are different messages iirc18:36
SpeedEvilI'm really holding off on any effort until I see if I in fact get one at the highly discounted price.18:36
SpeedEvilAs if I don't, I'm not ordering.18:36
SpeedEvilAnd hence...18:36
lardmanthis is the dev discount?18:36
lardmanare there still problems with that then?18:36
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woglindebye lardman18:38
SpeedEvilAirborne Warning System.18:39
SpeedEvillardman|gone: no.18:39
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SpeedEvillardman|gone: it's the multiple voucher discount18:39
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SpeedEvillardman: was just saying that no, not dev discount, the voucher abuse thing.19:06
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SpeedEvilWell 'full utilisation' - it's not of course abuse.19:06
lardmanah yes, you were mentioning it the other day :)19:06
woglindere AWS19:06
lardmanwoglinde: yep19:07
lardmanI've pushed librest, I wonder if that would be of use?19:07
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lardmanhmm, emerillon problems are because it uses a newer gtk+ :(19:10
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AndrewFBlackwhy do people make mobile webpages but don't include all the function that make me want to use the site to start with19:54
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AndrewFBlackI don't get why mobile version doesn't allow upload only download19:55
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CorsacDisponibilité: Arrivage prévu Samedi 14 Novembre20:30
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GeneralAntillesI love it when filling a bug doesn't email anybody.20:34
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W_Iare Fremantle extras/extras-devel repositories down? Trying to do apt-get update after adding extras to sources.list, but getting GPG Error in return...20:37
Stskeepsits a warning fron apt20:37
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W_IStskeeps: how can I go around it? as now it doesn't update the lists... I remember fixing these while back when using diablo scratchbox, but cannot remember anymore20:39
W_IStskeeps: never mind... =) It seems to update even when it doesn't say it20:40
StskeepsW_I: it says w: gpg error which means its not fatal20:40
Stskeepsyes, the unix way20:40
W_IStskeeps: true...20:41
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GeneralAntilleswazd, you should do an iPhone theme for Fremantle. :P20:44
* toggles_w slaps GeneralAntilles with a wet trout20:45
qwerty12_N810That's a horrible idea.20:45
GeneralAntillesBut for shits and giggles?20:46
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, think of all the fun you could have in your postinsts. :P20:47
ali1234someone do an ubuntu theme, i'm getting brown withdrawl20:47
qwerty12_N810It'd make me cry more than it would make me laugh :\20:47
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wazdany wishes for the UI? :)20:48
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GeneralAntillesNot sure I love the favorites.20:49
qwerty12_N810Actually, someone should do an "iPhone Transformation Pack". A replacement hildon-desktop that only shows a lock icon and one button that allows uninstallation of it.20:49
qwerty12_N810Nothing else allowed.20:50
* RST38h still wants steampunk them20:50
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wazdGeneralAntilles: I was thinking bout moving button to the right and list to the left20:50
wazdRST38h: steampunk is really graphic intensive theme :)20:50
RST38hof course20:50
RST38hbrass, etc20:51
wazdRST38h: I think I'll try to make one after Mer theme20:51
wazdRST38h: check out FM app20:51
toggles_wwazd: very pretty20:52
RST38hwazd: I still think th background has to look as yellowish paper lit up from the bottom with a bulb20:52
wazdRST38h: with city marks :D20:53
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wazdRST38h: don't know if it's possible to make that kind of intensive app with standard tools20:53
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RST38hI do not see what the difficulty is20:54
RST38hit is just a background20:54
bulfaiteris there a way to remove duplicated comments in
* RST38h shudders at the mention of downloads20:55
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wazdRST38h: well, maybe we can even make it skinnable20:56
Xisdibik_RST38h: would be nice to see a steampunk shell then? :p20:57
RST38hxisdibik: it is called emelfm =)20:57
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wazddamn, I forgot one last thing to add20:59
AndrewFBlackbtw I don't know how many of you use but since there is no Maemo App and Mobile Web App doesn't allow uploads I wrote a better Mobile version of there site that allow uploads21:00
RST38hToyota, who's Prius is easy on the environment to drive but horrible on it to make, has engineered a new type of flower to help shoulder some of the damage their factories are spitting out.21:04
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wirelessdreameranyone know if bounce was open sourced?21:04
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RST38hwas not21:05
wirelessdreamerare there any accelerometer and 3d demos that are open source on the n900?21:06
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ali1234i've written one but haven't released the code yet21:06
wirelessdreamerI've got a basic accelerometer based game i've been working on in blender, using wiimotes as input, and am wondering how hard it'll be to port to the n900 once it finally comes out21:06
wirelessdreamerali1234: any plans to? :)21:07
ali1234well when i say "written one" i mean cobbled together a bunch of examples21:07
wazdwirelessdreamer: you're a game dev? :)21:07
wazdwirelessdreamer: I want you soul!11121:07
wirelessdreameri'd use the term lightly21:07
ali1234wirelessdreamer: there's a snippet of how to use the accelerometer lifted from liqbase, it's very simple to use21:08
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ali1234ogl|es 2.0 is rather more tricky, i took some example code from the pwervr sdk and worked from that21:08
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wirelessdreamerOnce I get a handset I wanted to see how hard it would be to port sio2 from the iphone to n90021:09
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wirelessdreamerali1234: thanks for the info21:10
ali1234i also used libode in my app, and that isn't currently available as a package21:11
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wazdwirelessdreamer: msg :P21:12
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wirelessdreamerali1234: how much noise is in the accelerometers?21:18
wirelessdreamermiimote ones feel a bit noisy21:18
ali1234probably about the same21:18
ali1234there's a little but depending on the app you won't need to smooth21:18
ali1234my app is a dice simulator so i just feed the accelerometer data into the physics sim as gravity data21:19
ali1234so the noise cancels itself out21:19
VDVsxwirelessdreamer, accell is fine, there's a couple of games in maemo5 already using it21:20
ali1234neither of which are open source :)21:20
VDVsxof they are21:20
VDVsx*of course21:20
RST38hAll my emulators use it, just enable it from the menu21:20
VDVsxsolarwolf use it too21:20
X-Fadeenigma too21:20
qwerty12_N810Quake 321:21
RST38hi.e. all GB,GBC,GBA,NES,MSX,Spectrum,SMS,GG,etc games can now be played with tilt controls21:21
RST38hAh, caught him!21:21
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RST38hX-Fade: Are you aware that the product info editing interface is badly broken?21:21
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X-FadeRST38h: That is caused by performance issues.21:21
X-FadeRST38h: That is ajax and with the ajax call being slow you don't see it update.21:22
RST38hX-Fade: Only partially. Adding authors only works in IE6 for example, in FF it is eaten by the layout21:22
VDVsxanyway this is easy stuff, anything to worry about :) (accel^)21:22
X-FadeRST38h: I mainly use FF and it works fine.21:22
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RST38hX-Fade: And I waited for ~15 minutes trying to upload a screenshot21:22
RST38hIt has not completed.21:22
RST38hWhat kind of performance issue would cause something like that?21:23
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RST38hX-Fade: I doubt it works fine for you, please check it21:23
X-FadeRST38h: Somehow our memcached instance goes into 75% si..21:23
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* RST38h facepalms21:24
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X-FadeNot sure what causes it. Probably just the sheer amount of calls ;)21:24
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RST38hX-Fade: Everybody is editing product info, or what? =)21:24
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X-FadeRST38h: ok, let me try to add myself to vgba.21:25
X-FadeI can use the karma anyway ;)21:25
RST38hX-Fade: yea, as long as you have a way to remove it later =)21:25
* RST38h has not found any21:25
X-Fadeedit metadata.21:25
RST38hah, it says I have no permission to edit metadata, but it is probably ont a problem for you21:26
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X-FadeRST38h: I admit it was slow, but:
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X-FadeManaged to add a few people in FF without problems.21:28
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GAN900Don't let him trick you. He's accessing it locally. :P21:28
X-FadeNo, that would be cheating ;)21:28
RST38hDo you get to see the green checkmark?21:29
X-FadeAnd removed the authors again.21:30
X-FadeRST38h: Yes, but not the whole icon is visible it seems.21:30
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RST38hX-Fade: I do not see it at all, appears to be obscured by the column at the right21:31
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RST38hThe only way I can see it is in IE6, when the window is maximized21:31
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X-FadeRST38h: Yeah, it could use some css love.21:32
uhsfi suppose this channel is about to climax in the next few weeks when the n900 is released21:32
RST38h(also notice the duplicated > VGBA > VGBA > at the top21:32
X-FadeRST38h: yeah, i know. But that is not really a blocker ;)21:33
uhsfis there anything else maemo than the n### series?21:33
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X-Fadeuhsf: 770? :)21:34
wirelessdreamerwhat version of the clutter libs ships with the n900?21:34
X-Fadewirelessdreamer: 0.8 and 1.0 I think21:34
wirelessdreamerX-Fade: python bindings or just  c?21:34
RST38hX-Fade: yea, that one is minor, but the author adding problem and the image uploading problem are real showstoppers =(21:34
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X-FadeRST38h: Author should really not be needed at all.21:35
X-FadeRST38h: if your package contains the correct info, it will show there.21:35
RST38hX-Fade: except that it does not show21:35
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RST38hX-Fade: BTW, it tends to reload description from the package every hour or so21:35
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wazdRST38h: looks like .svg icons for emulators helped :)21:35
X-Fadewirelessdreamer: python-clutter is in extras-devel21:36
X-FadeRST38h: Yes, the package is where your info should be.21:36
RST38hX-Fade: I.e. if I want to edit the description, all changes get lost in an hour21:36
RST38hX-Fade: Then do not allow editing at all21:36
RST38hwazd: Oh yesss =)21:36
X-FadeRST38h: On my todo ;)21:36
RST38hcool =)21:37
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X-FadeBut the idea is to force people to create proper packages with info.21:37
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RST38hoh, I support the idea21:37
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X-FadeAs then AM and other apps can use that info too.21:37
RST38hIt is the implementation that I find incomplete and confusing21:38
X-FadeI'll give you that ;)21:38
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GeneralAntillesWatch your step, RST38h. :P
X-FadeRST38h: But it did not list you as author? Not even after an hour or so?21:39
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RST38hGeneral: Evil, pure evil21:39
* RST38h always suspected =)21:39
RST38hX-Fade: Nope21:39
RST38hX-Fade: And I thought my package metadata was pretty complete21:39
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: Failing to see the evilness...21:39
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X-FadeStrange.. That should be a straigt copuy from the package page.21:40
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, yeah, I know, you often fail. :P21:40
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RST38hX-Fade: I list a different email in the package changes21:40
RST38hX-Fade: That may be the reason (although the name is the same there)21:40
X-FadeRST38h: But it shows correctly in the packages page.21:40
uhsfi already have quality earphones and i'm searching for a small microphone to use with the n900. i'm disppointed that phones use a single plug for headphones and mic because i need to find an adapter for this.21:41
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X-FadeRST38h: And it just copies that data.21:41
X-Fadeuhsf: My N95 came with a cable which inluded a mic and allowed you to connect your own headset in it?21:41
GeneralAntillesuhsf, you have any idea how much space two 3.5mm jacks would take up?21:42
uhsfthere is obviously enough space just beside the single jack.21:42
* RST38h would still prefer another 3.5mm socket for the charger though21:42
RST38hThis USB thing is flimsy...21:43
SpeedEvilI want a proper dock connector21:43
X-FadeRST38h: I was surprised that micro-usb is rated for 10000 inserts.21:43
GeneralAntillesBigger still, proprietary and fragile.21:43
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RST38hSpeedEvil: You are screwed then, as even the USB thingie is currently located on top =)21:43
GeneralAntillesuhsf, obviously, eh?21:43
X-FadeRST38h: while mini is only for 1000.21:43
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SpeedEvilrs: yeah21:43
qwerty12_N810uhsf: I have phones that use proprietary ports, and the phones that do have an headphone jack only have one. Why should the N900 be any different?21:43
RST38hX-Fade: So I plug it for 3 years and it dies?21:44
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, because the breakable part is in the cable.21:44
X-FadeRST38h: The old mini one, yes.21:44
RST38hSpeedEvil: In fact, there is a bugzilla tracker for adding 180o and 270o rotation that should rectify the problem21:44
X-FadeRST38h: the current one looks a lot more fragile, but is rated for a lot more inserts.21:44
timeless_mbpanyone here use WinCE/WinMo?21:45
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SpeedEvilRST38h: that part. But not 'slam into a dock, and work'21:45
* RST38h wonders for how many inserts 2.5mm jack has been rated21:45
wirelessdreamerusb mini A on the zaurus was perfect . . .they should of copied it21:45
RST38hSpeedEvil: Well, you may be able to achieve that with USB connector and some magic21:45
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X-Fadewirelessdreamer: Blame the EU, and now UN.21:45
RST38hSpeedEvil: But it should at least be at the bottom :)21:45
X-FadeOr ITU rather.21:46
SpeedEvilRST38h: not really - unless you've got a complex mechanical thing that gently puts the USB connector in after it's landed21:46
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RST38hSpeedEvil: Yes, more or less. They are not that uncommon too21:46
RST38hSpeedEvil: Check the old Casio Exilim dock for example21:46
RST38hthe connector looked as flimsy as micro USB but worked21:47
wirelessdreamereu decides, we want people to stop wasting money buying new chargers for every phone, so we'll stanardize . . . on something that will break ever 2 years21:47
* timeless_mbp frowns21:47
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* ShadowJK 'd like connectors on the bottom so that device becomes pocketable21:50
ShadowJKand is right way up when I take it out of pocket into hand :/21:50
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ShadowJKbut I'd settle for having all ports on one side21:51
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GeneralAntillesUSB port on either side would be nice.21:51
ShadowJKI mean all ports on one side. My E75 has headphone port on top and charger port on bottom and microusb on the side. When I attach extra battery and headphones simultaneously, one cable is going to take alot of strain in pocket21:52
X-FadeThe only thing I hate about the connectors is when listening to music with a headset and charger is connected. If you then want to type something, they are a bit in the way ;)21:53
X-Fade* connector positions21:53
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timeless_mbpX-Fade: indeed21:58
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timeless_mbpthe usb cable is basically oriented to hurt right handed touch users21:58
timeless_mbpor left handed full keyboard typists21:59
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X-Fadetimeless_mbp: I rather had seen they put those connectors where the speakers are now.21:59
timeless_mbptoo logical21:59
X-FadeHeh, seems so.22:00
timeless_mbpthat wouldn't interfere with your hand grips!22:00
timeless_mbpwe can't have that!22:00
ShadowJKthe pop-port wasn't that great a dock connector anyway22:02
* SpeedEvil needs to finish project 342 on his stack.22:03
SpeedEvilA USB with power magnetic connector.22:03
ShadowJKkinda like the AGP port. If you used it more than once you needed eraser to clean the contacts :)22:03
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: apple probably has a patent22:03
timeless_mbpgood thing we're suing22:03
SpeedEviltimeless: possibly.22:03
SpeedEviltimeless: but once you've seen a magnetic connector, it's such an obvious idea22:03
timeless_mbpoh, X-Fade i've got a device for you22:05
timeless_mbpyou don't need to worry about pesky cables getting in your way while the charging indicator is active22:06
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: pre?22:06
timeless_mbpit's in my laptop while i'm in the center of a corridor, no cables inserted22:06
timeless_mbpit looks like an n90022:06
timeless_mbpbut the charging indicator is showing :)22:06
timeless_mbpwe call it PowerOverTheAir(tm)22:06
timeless_mbpsadly,.... the implementation is buggy22:07
X-FadeI already charged my N810 from it's own USB port.22:07
X-FadeThat was enough for me.22:07
timeless_mbp(hardware feature, device doesn't know there isn't a charger attached, so it merrily announces it's charging)22:07
timeless_mbpor something like that22:07
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lbthow do I get my IMEI # ?22:11
X-Fadelbt: remove battery ;)22:11
qwerty12_N810lbt: About product22:12
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qwerty12_N810In Control Panel22:12
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: ssssh ;)22:12
orbarronall: does n800 and older allow users to flash their own unsigned ROM????22:12
GeneralAntillesUnsigned ROM22:12
* lbt kicks X-Fade in the nuts22:13
qwerty12_N810X-Fade: Damn, your idea was better...22:13
Stskeepsorbarron: own initfs,rootfs,kernel22:13
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X-FadeHmm why does a creditcard fit exactly between the top and bottom bevel of the N900 screen. (Only the logo is in the way)22:18
qwerty12_N810X-Fade: Picture, please ;)22:18
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, we want to see the whole card, though.22:19
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X-FadeNot much use, not a real credit card. Sorry.22:19
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: But you wanted front and back?22:20
GeneralAntillesI wish Nokia would sell those diagnostic docks.22:20
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lbtcan you set per-user ringtones?22:26
lbtX-Fade: don't tell me there's a switch under the battery22:26
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Pavlovlack of per-contact is pretty weak22:27
timeless_mbplbt: no22:27
timeless_mbpPavlov: it's a nokia invention22:27
timeless_mbpso we can't include it22:27
Pavloveven my 10 year old phone can do that22:27
timeless_mbpwe have a screen saver that lists all the inventions we don't include in our product22:27
GeneralAntillesPavlov, that's why it's a mobile computer first and a phone second. ;)22:27
qwerty12_N810timeless_mbp: My Sony Ericssons have that feature...22:27
timeless_mbpqwerty12_N810: i didn't say we invented it recently22:28
timeless_mbpbut we do have a screen saver that runs on most of the computers here which claims we invented it22:28
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lbtvotes for per-contact ringtone
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GeneralAntillesDid the Fixed in Fremantle shirts ever get made?22:36
qwerty12_N810No, Fixed in Harmattan shirts are all the rage now22:37
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, just for you since you don't read that list :P:  -users: "I wonder if Nokia's considered releasing and Android 2.0 version of the N900"22:37
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i wear one from time to time22:37
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, ugh.22:37
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I think I'm leading bugs filed at the moment, so where's my shirt? :(22:38
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, I've one yupi22:38
qwerty12_N810I want a Windows 3.11 WfW N90022:38
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: dosbox..22:38
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sjgadsbyGeneralAntilles: qgil said at the summit he'd be sending you a Fixed in Fremantle shirt.22:38
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: I already saw a post about that.22:39
GeneralAntillesHey, I'm even the non-paid guy with the most comments!22:39
qwerty12_N810X-Fade: No emulation, I want the real thing!22:39
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: good luck recompiling ;)22:39
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, let me know if you file any bug flurries any time soon so I can best you again. :P22:40
timeless_mbpi have an eCoach bug to file22:40
timeless_mbpbut that requires me to find my device's eCoach version22:40
qwerty12_N810My Karma: Bugzilla reported: 1222:41
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mairashi, is anyone else having problems updating the extras-devel repository?22:50
mairasI mean, using apt-get update or the application manager on the device?22:51
mairasI'm getting an error message "No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/[...]"22:51
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sp3000X-Fade: ^^^22:56
sp3000or is that Stskeeps now?22:56
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Stskeepsrepos arent my area :P22:57
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X-Fadesp3000: reindex running ... slowly.22:58
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GeneralAntillesAlready skirting his responsibilities. . . .22:58
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VDVsxGeneralAntilles, preview of the FiF t-shirt:
VDVsxlolol, best photo: god damn you crashanddie ;)22:59
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X-Fade'The unfortunateness of things' is the rough translation btw ;)23:00
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, awesome.23:00
X-Fadelol, this once is cool too ;)
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: did you guys see my geotagged photo?23:04
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Dantonicmy tablet is so unstable :(23:05
X-Fademairas: better now?23:05
Dantonicwhat do you guys use as an e-mail client on the tablets?23:06
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, lol, crashanddie. . . .23:06
DantonicN800/N810 that is23:06
mairasX-Fade, wait., I'll try again23:06
timeless_mbpDantonic: Google Mail in microb works23:06
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, purty.23:06
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: did you check the meta data?23:07
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mairaswill travel on the weekend and was panicing due to gpodder not working :-)23:07
timeless_mbpthe geotagged coords23:07
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timeless_mbpon the n8x0 i tended to use /m/ or /h/ or /x/23:07
* GeneralAntilles is lazy.23:07
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mairashad to downgrade it manually, but I'll try the repo again23:07
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timeless_mbpis the coordinates :)23:08
Dantonictimeless_mbp, that's slow tho... was thinking more along the lines of an e-mail client23:08
Dantonicother than the built in one23:09
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mairasX-Fade, works now, thanks23:09
DantonicI'm having issues with the built in client23:09
mairaswhat was the issue?23:09
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, nice.23:11
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timeless_mbpok, gotta go23:13
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uhsfX-Fade: tx for pointing me to Nokia Audio Controller AD-43. this accessory is not available on nokia website and i wish i will be able to get one shipped to canada by some retailer. it seems to be the best solution for people using quality earphones. the only thing missin from the AD-43 is bluetooth. it's unfortunate because Nokia Bluetooth Stereo Headset BH-214 has bluetooth but doesn't feature a 3.5mm connector.23:30
uhsfok, cool, it's not expensive i wish sound quality won't be impaired to my earphones23:32
GeneralAntillesAh, Talk.23:33
uhsfalso, i will wait for n900 to be released before buying this.23:33
SpeedEvilNo idea about the quality23:33
GeneralAntillesIt's "wrong" because I ran some numbers in my head based on guesses I made myself.23:33
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Dantonicdoes anyone know where the built in e-mail client in N800 stores the account information?23:34
DantonicI'm unable to delete it from the accounts settings, but it still shows up and looks for emails from those accounts23:34
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ShadowJKuhsf, you want bluetooth -> 3.5mm?23:38
ShadowJKwait, what DOES BH-214 have?23:39
timelesssome stuff is in gconf23:39
uhsfShadowJK: i would like a controller similar to the AD-43 but with the added functionnality of bluetooth23:39
timelessyou can use a proper client or rm/vi + pull battery23:40
uhsfShadowJK: or like the BH-214 but with the added functionality of connecting the controller directly to the n900 with a 3.5mm cable23:40
SpeedEviluhsf: - again - I have no idea of the quality of any of these23:40
ShadowJKuhsf, seems like BH-214 has 3.5mm audio output?23:41
uhsfShadowJK: yes but i'd like 3.5mm input also23:42
ShadowJKif I could get 8-10 hours out of BH-214 it'd be the thing for me :/23:42
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uhsf3.5mm input like the AD-43 to keep full audio quality and be able to use it even when the battery is discharged23:43
SpeedEvilThat's unlikely to happen I think.23:43
SpeedEvilIt's too niche a case.23:43
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SpeedEvilwhy not simply unplug the ad43, and plug the headphones in direct in that case23:44
DantonicHow do I use grep to search for a folder that might have my e-mail accounts title in it?  would this work?  grep "gmail" /*23:44
SpeedEvilfind . -name "*gmail*" -type d23:44
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uhsfSpeedEvil: then i couldn't use the mic.23:45
SpeedEviluhsf: ah, sorry - tired.23:45
Dantonicthank you very much SpeedEvil23:46
Dantonicwhat does grep do? how is it different?23:46
SpeedEvilDantonic: grep searches files for the occurance of a string23:46
W_Ihas someone here compiled qtmapper project inside scratchbox? I'm having trouble finding the QWhereAbouts (Location service)23:47
SpeedEvilDantonic: find looks for files or directories or other file-like objects by their attributes.23:47
Dantonicah.. the contents of the files?23:47
Dantonicgrep = contents?23:47
SpeedEvilDantonic: yes23:47
Dantonicok thank you23:47
Dantonicthe . in that command is to search in the whole filesystem?23:48
Dantonicfor find23:48
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SpeedEvilDantonic: no - current directory and desceentda23:49
SpeedEviland ones below it23:49
Dantonicall right23:49
uhsfit's annoying how every accessories are made for iphone. i would buy or over nokia offerings but i can't be sure it would fit the n900.23:50
wazdapp store now has 100k apps, they even got an app that rejects apps :D23:50
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jayabharath1hello everyone -- my first time here...23:54
Dantonicto remove a directory and all its subdirectories/contents it's rmdir -r <directory>  ?23:54
Dantonichi jayabharath123:54
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Dantonicok rm -r was it :)23:56
Dantonici just did rm -r timeless23:56
Dantonicseemed to work23:56
Dantonicwhat is the "f"?23:57
timelessthat probably means you had no files23:57
Dantonicthere where files well there were sub directories23:57
Dantonicidk if files or not23:57
Dantonicbut subdirs for sure23:58
timelessoh, sorry, -f is don't fail23:58
Dantonicah well didn't do anything... :(23:58
Dantonicdidn't solve my problem23:58
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DantonicI have 2 phantom email accounts in my email client.   The system keeps checking for them but I cannot remove them...23:59
Dantonicand I keep getting errors for it...23:59

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