IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-10-28

pupnik	yes	00:00
fiferboy_n900	qwerty, figures	00:00
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N810, yes, it's useless.	00:00
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qwerty12_N810	Meh, not to me.	00:00
fiferboy_n900	GeneralAntilles - you got some ideas?	00:00
pupnik	better to flee to the list than quit talking	00:00
rm_you	qwerty12_N810: i use it to clear the conversation unread bug	00:00
qwerty12_N810	lol	00:00
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy_n900, a simple one that shows you total missed calls and maybe the last 1-4 in history.	00:00
GeneralAntilles	With contact avatars, etc.	00:00
rm_you	periodically add the widget, click thru everything i've already read but it for some reason says i haven't, and remove it again	00:01
rm_you	i really miss a button for "call this contact" when viewing an SMS conversation	00:01
rm_you	every other phone i had did that	00:01
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pupnik	wish i could just flip a switch and mount n900 storage as a usb drive	00:01
pupnik	with device off	00:02
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rm_you	actually what i miss most is a big green "phone" hardware button that performs the "call" action, and a big red "end" button that hangs up or cancels things.	00:02
pupnik	flashing would be dd if=image of=/dev/sdb	00:02
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SpeedEvil	pupnik: device off use would basicaly mean you'd need a whole nother processor in there	00:03
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rm_you	i still always try to find it and push it and then sadly remember that it doesn't have one	00:03
pupnik	like the processor in a usb pen drive, SpeedEvil ?	00:03
qwerty12_N810	rm_you: I sense a gap in the market for Advanced Call Button!	00:03
rm_you	qwerty12_N810: rofl... i can't make a new button tho T_T	00:03
SpeedEvil	pupnik: the openmoko Freerunner nearly had that - emergency boot ROM with a bootloader accessed when you pressed a hardware button on boot	00:03
rm_you	s/button/hardware button/	00:04
infobot	rm_you meant: qwerty12_N810: rofl... i can't make a new hardware button tho T_T	00:04
pupnik	mmm	00:04
qwerty12_N810	:P	00:04
SpeedEvil	pupnik: much like that, though it's complicated lots by the fact that it would need parallel connected to the flash.	00:04
rm_you	maybe repurpose the camera button...	00:04
RST38h	General <-- hates tmo now but is not ready to make the next step	00:04
pupnik	the politics of cellphones is such a jungle for devices	00:04
SpeedEvil	pupnik: OM emergency ROM couldn't be flashed without the debug board, in which case you can fix it anyway	00:05
pupnik	pandora says "boot from sd". and it is good.	00:05
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javispedro	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359342#post359342	00:07
javispedro	sigh.	00:07
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GeneralAntilles	lol	00:08
frals	solid post	00:08
Dantonic	hey guys	00:08
GeneralAntilles	Thankfully one or two people isn't the end of the world. ;)	00:08
GeneralAntilles	pupnik, this is the sort of vicious cycle that's so much fun. ;)	00:09
rm_you	so thanks to the Mirror application I now know that the front camera on the n900 is as useless as the camera on the n8x0 was :P	00:09
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GeneralAntilles	The ONLY place they've said anything officially about a release date is on Talk.	00:09
GeneralAntilles	rm_you, yeah, same on my 5800. I don't know why they bother.	00:09
lcuk	at least now you have a sapre camera on n900	00:09
frals	videocalls!	00:09
rm_you	well they are probably (hopefully) busy fixing all the bugs we're finding before release	00:09
lcuk	one that appears toa actually, you know, work!	00:09
frals	(:rolleyes:)	00:10
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: tell that to some of the trolls. They start citing newspapers.	00:10
GeneralAntilles	rm_you, lot of WONTFIX and INVALID going on.	00:10
Flyser	GeneralAntilles: I guess they will delay it officially on the 30th of october	00:10
Stskeeps	rm_you: preprod?	00:10
rm_you	Stskeeps: doubtful? dunno tho maybe	00:10
* RST38h sighs		00:11
Flyser	Thats the last official release date ...	00:11
RST38h	Folks, you are taking things way too serious	00:11
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rm_you	I mean, i don't really care about the front camera	00:11
Stskeeps	yes, nokia surprised us all by only releasing 300 n900s, and then ditching the product line;)	00:11
rm_you	i just am glad I know how usefull (or not) it is now, so I won't bother trying to use it	00:11
RST38h	t.m.o is just an Internet forum. Have you expected it to be populated exclusively by well psychologically balanced nerdy eggheads?	00:11
javispedro	yes, the pandora will release first!	00:12
Dantonic	hey anyone here use pidgin?	00:12
RST38h	that would be funny =)	00:12
Stskeeps	nokia has money on the pandora bet	00:12
Dantonic	on the tablet that is	00:12
javispedro	well, I voted for the pandora!	00:12
GeneralAntilles	Flyser, Peter already officially delayed it on Talk.	00:12
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Flyser	GeneralAntilles: Not as official as a press release ;-)	00:13
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, I'm just depressed over the fact that the idiots are driving the useful people out.	00:13
GeneralAntilles	Flyser, Nokia never announced an official ship date.	00:13
Stskeeps	"october in select markets"?	00:13
RST38h	General: absolutely normal for the Internet	00:13
Stskeeps	which turns out, means maemo summit	00:14
javispedro	that's a nice way to see it.	00:14
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, unfortunate since it used to be a really productive place.	00:14
RST38h	still is, just not in every thread	00:15
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, the Thanks! ratio for useful posts has gotten really bad.	00:15
RST38h	I do not expect thanks when posting.	00:16
RST38h	simply not the point	00:16
GeneralAntilles	Not my point, so nevermind.	00:17
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n000b	the n900 forum in t.m.o. is particularly full of imbeciles	00:19
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: have you used the third contacts view?	00:22
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Stskeeps	i want a "joined in october 2009" ban button	00:23
Stskeeps	well, ignore	00:23
qwerty12_N810	Stskeeps: s/october//	00:23
n000b	hehe	00:23
timeless_mbp	rm_you: if you tap the avatar in a conversation you get a way to call the contact	00:23
RST38h	Or you can get creative and drive them out one by one	00:23
RST38h	Bonus for cause 'em to suicide	00:24
RST38h	causing	00:24
timeless_mbp	pupnik: the n900 does do usb storage while off under some conditions (not sure what)	00:24
javispedro	damn. I knew I should've registered in tmo before, instead of lurking.	00:24
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pupnik	:/	00:25
RST38h	too late!	00:25
pupnik	dor sale, one t.m.o. account from 2007	00:26
javispedro	well, you'll miss my random rantings and flaming posts.	00:26
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javispedro	ok this is hilarious http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359357#post359357	00:26
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Flyser	javispedro: it is :D	00:27
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javispedro	pupnik: maybe tmo should implement a "uid digit count" system à la slashdot.	00:28
* hardaker resists the urge to post "r0eladn: ditto"		00:28
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pupnik	which is best xterm for me to work on for n810 / diablo?	00:29
Dantonic	rofl javispedro was wondering how soon someone would post there	00:29
qwerty12_N810	hardaker: give in...	00:29
Dantonic	let's all post	00:29
rm_you	timeless_mbp: sweet, thanks. didn't realize that was clickable	00:29
rm_you	was expecting it to be in the context menu as an option next to "clear conversation"	00:29
* qwerty12_N810 could probably pass his one off as a retail one...		00:29
javispedro	well, I hoped the chinese spam bot that randomly spams topics with certain keywords would post first.	00:29
javispedro	but . well. tmo always surprises me.	00:29
* hardaker resists the temptation to respond with "first post!"		00:30
javispedro	s/chinese// (sorry)	00:30
wazd	Apple fails in the design sometimes too	00:30
wazd	http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/10-27-09hideout.jpg	00:30
timeless_mbp	rm_you: i don't consider the ui behavior sane	00:30
timeless_mbp	but someone else told me	00:30
timeless_mbp	so please pass it along	00:30
wazd	check out bottom-right icon	00:30
javispedro	I'd say that's to make a printed copy of the map on the viewport.	00:31
javispedro	cause the jobsoPhone has a builtin printer, does it?	00:31
RST38h	no, it is to switch pages	00:31
RST38h	yea, and it makes a tatoo when you stick it where sun does not shine	00:31
javispedro	ok, now it's more hilarious: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359357#post359357	00:32
lcuk	if you want to switch pages dont you just turn the iphone over	00:32
* hardaker resists the urge to respond with "does anyone know if it'll be possible to shop on Amazon with this phone?"		00:32
wazd	background square has rounded corners, and front square hasn't	00:32
javispedro	no, you shake the iphone like crazy then throw it to 10 friends, fill in a few forms then you can see something else than the cupertino map.	00:33
lcuk	wazd only you would notice that	00:33
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lcuk	and i pull square tissues out of a rounded hole all the time	00:33
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rm_you	bbl	00:35
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wazd	lcuk: yep, I'm a mad man, don't laugh at me :)	00:35
* lcuk wasnt laughin		00:38
lcuk	RST38h, does it actually switch pages?	00:39
lcuk	javispedro, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33582	00:40
javispedro	lcuk: hhe	00:41
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lcuk	others: that link is thread "[you can] post here before you have received a retail N900 in your hands"	00:42
RST38h	lcuk: Yea, it goes to some other screen afaik	00:42
lcuk	cool	00:42
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* javispedro enjoys the latest tmo threads "n900 shipping in october" "no, n900 ships in november!" "you're all idiots. I have definite proof n900 ships in 2010!!"		00:43
kynky	so not 16th :)	00:43
* hardaker hates all forums and misses the age of mailing lists.		00:43
javispedro	"X estimates December 2009 release date"	00:43
* RST38h suggests falsifying a Nokia press release about dissolving Maemo Devices and merging its team with N Series		00:44
RST38h	I would go for something less credible, but it makes sense to start slow	00:44
kynky	the maemo/android article on slashdot is crazy	00:44
javispedro	deal. so I register a tmo account "nokiapr", post something stupid, then edit a wikipedia article , appropiately quoting the tmo post.	00:44
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javispedro	wait until the first newspaper publishes the "news"	00:45
florian	hardaker: I feel with you...	00:45
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RST38h	Pirates May Have Captured Around-the-World Liveblogging Couple!	00:45
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RST38h	How do you twit about something like this? =)	00:45
lcuk	like you just did	00:46
lcuk	but put stuff like #pirates	00:46
javispedro	RST38h: that seems so true I am already believing it and hoping for it.	00:46
lcuk	and things	00:46
lcuk	so the other pirates will hear about it and get karma	00:46
RST38h	lcuk: Ahoy^H^Hoops	00:46
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RST38h	Oh well. Sleep.	00:48
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lcuk	lol	00:48
lcuk	gnite rst	00:48
javispedro	"Civil aviation disaster destroys 2000 N900s due to faulty battery"	00:48
Dantonic	If I wanted to report a bug with pidgin having to do with the hildon interface, where would I do that? when I full qwerty type a message on my N800 the "enter" button does not enter send the message it goes down to the next line. I have to exit the full qwerty and re open the small qwerty and hit enter with my stylus :(	00:48
lcuk	qwerty12_N810, evil	00:48
RST38h	good night	00:48
javispedro	gnite RST	00:48
qwerty12_N810	night RST38h	00:48
qwerty12_N810	lcuk: EvilQwerty, that's me	00:48
RST38h	javis: Actually, an "FCC report" about banning Li batteries on all US based flights will do good	00:48
lcuk	looks good	00:48
RST38h	javis: That should generate a LOT of tmo traffic	00:49
javispedro	:)	00:49
timeless_mbp	Dantonic: so...	00:49
anidel	tmo's already slow	00:49
timeless_mbp	if pidgin is a standalone app	00:49
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timeless_mbp	then it's giving the wrong hint to the IME	00:49
timeless_mbp	and it's a bug in pidgin	00:49
timeless_mbp	and you file the bug against pidgin or _\|Nix\|_	00:50
Dantonic	ah is that right?	00:50
Dantonic	but why does the enter key work under the half qwerty but not for the full qwerty...	00:50
Dantonic	that's why I thought it might be a hildon issue idk...	00:51
Dantonic	brb	00:51
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timeless_mbp	Dantonic: did you try the browser url bar?	00:51
timeless_mbp	does the same behavior happen there?	00:51
timeless_mbp	and did you try fields in the addressbook?	00:51
javispedro	and in xterm.	00:52
kirma	hmm. does nokia allow pixel defects for its devices nowadays at all? apparently not for N900 at least...	00:55
GeneralAntilles	Dantonic, the finger keyboard is broken.	00:56
GeneralAntilles	Dantonic, Nokia doesn't care about virtual input. ;)	00:56
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javispedro	GeneralAntilles: oh, they'll care when the next device ships without a keyboard.	00:57
Dantonic	oh yeah I guess browser doesnt work either... :(	00:58
Dantonic	so it's maemo? :(	00:58
javispedro	and xterm? intro in finger keyboard in n810's xterm does work.	00:58
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Dantonic	javispedro, xterm works	00:59
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Dantonic	weak sauce!	01:00
javispedro	not a Maemo issue then. Grab xterm code, try to understand what black magic it applies to HildonIMContext, and try to apply the same incantations to Pidgin.	01:00
Dantonic	javispedro I would if I knew how...	01:01
Dantonic	no idea	01:01
GeneralAntilles	Alright, no more refreshing Talk for me tonight.	01:01
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javispedro	oh, i just posted one last message :)	01:01
GeneralAntilles	I'm at "time to call out some goddamn idiots" stage.	01:01
GeneralAntilles	and that never ends well.	01:01
lcuk	GeneralAntilles, you should use ispy	01:03
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lcuk	you can get frustrated without clicks	01:03
GeneralAntilles	ispy sucks.	01:03
GeneralAntilles	It's ugly and irritating.	01:03
fiferboy_n900	later all	01:03
* fiferboy_n900 out		01:03
lbt	fiferboy_n900: hi	01:03
lcuk	how do you find anything?	01:03
lcuk	hi fiferboy_n900	01:03
lbt	fiferboy_n900: bye :)	01:04
fiferboy_n900	lbt did you talk to gnuton at all	01:04
fiferboy_n900	?	01:04
lbt	yep...	01:04
fiferboy_n900	cool	01:04
lbt	just failing to build qt in fremantle sbox :(	01:04
GeneralAntilles	The number of top-posting posts in the mailing list and Talk seems to correlate well to the increase in idiocy.	01:04
fiferboy_n900	I'll be back in a bit	01:04
fiferboy_n900	me too	01:04
lbt	usr/bin/quilt: line 143: /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash: No such file or directory	01:04
lbt	:(	01:04
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lbt	anyone else know about quilt/sbox issues?	01:04
javispedro	never seen that :P	01:05
javispedro	and I've been using quilt for most of my packages.	01:05
* lbt agrees with hardaker		01:05
lbt	javispedro: it's odd	01:05
hardaker	heh. I haven't said anything in about 10 minutes though.	01:05
lbt	since /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> /bin/bash	01:06
qwerty12_N810	Sorry if I'm just stating the obvious: Have you done "apt-get install quilt"? Scratchbox comes with some incomplete shit...	01:06
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hardaker	qwerty12_N810: I've decided that scratchbox is designed for "roll your own" development :-)	01:06
qwerty12_N810	Hehe	01:07
Dantonic	all right time for work take care guys	01:07
javispedro	scratchbox iss best.	01:07
Stskeeps	roll your own joint?	01:07
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qwerty12_N810	Only if you're using it in Amsterdam	01:08
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hardaker	roll your own everything. little functionality besides the bare screen to build off of and interact with.	01:08
lbt	qwerty12_N810: yep... tried that...	01:09
Stskeeps	the new sdk is hardly bare though	01:09
javispedro	well. it has a C ompiler at least.	01:09
qwerty12_N810	:(	01:10
javispedro	what else could you need? A Eclipse-based 1 GiB-ish IDE? A Web 2.0 app with lots of XML input and output with dubious usefulness? :)	01:10
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lcuk	hardaker, how far are you rolling your own tho?	01:11
lbt	this is screwy	01:12
lbt	> /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash:	01:12
lbt	bash: /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash:: No such file or directory	01:12
hardaker	recompling what I need under scratchbox rather than relying on packaged stuff :-P	01:12
lbt	and yet....	01:12
lbt	ll /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash	01:12
lbt	lrwxrwxrwx 1 david 500 9 Oct 27 22:16 /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> /bin/bash*	01:12
johnsq	lbt: wrong system arm/x86 or missing shared libs	01:12
lbt	and /bin/bash -c 'ls' works	01:13
javispedro	lbt: I guess you're reaching a point where scratchbox's "illusion" stops working.	01:13
lbt	and yet	01:13
lbt	-rwxr-xr-x 1 david sbox 0 Oct 27 23:12 /bin/bash*	01:13
lbt	it has 0 size	01:13
lbt	jesus h ....	01:14
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lbt	hmmm I wonder if I need to reset binfmt	01:14
javispedro	lbt: because on exec sbox will redirect the call to the native one.	01:14
javispedro	so it's a 0 size stub.	01:14
javispedro	but that means you've not unpacked the rootstrap?	01:14
Stskeeps	lbt: under armel that will show 0 size possibly	01:14
lbt	oh, it goes in there	01:14
Stskeeps	check the real file	01:14
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javispedro	rootstraps contain both x86 /bin/bash and armel /bin/bash	01:15
lbt	ah core dump, no we're talking	01:15
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lbt	seg fault....	01:17
lbt	glad it's so resilient	01:17
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lbt	javispedro: I've compiled Qt apps using this sdk	01:19
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lbt	so it's all been sane	01:19
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jeremiah_	yeah man, you know you're not getting any work done until you dump core	01:20
lbt	I've quit/restarted sbox and reset the binfmt_misc	01:20
lbt	heh	01:20
lbt	my car stereo segfaulted tonight :(	01:20
lbt	it's kinda cool	01:21
hardaker	for long term app development, I kinda wonder why there is a push to do GTK based current development when it's been announced that the future will be Qt.	01:21
hardaker	if Qt is mostly ready now, why not switch now?	01:21
lbt	hardaker: KDE is also ready	01:21
lbt	Gnome isn't dead	01:21
jeremiah_	Qt is mostly experiemental.	01:21
jeremiah_	More or less.	01:21
jeremiah_	For a company like Nokia anyway.	01:22
lbt	<cough> less</cough>	01:22
jeremiah_	heh	01:22
jeremiah_	lbt: Why don't you like it?	01:22
javispedro	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qREUaelV36c	01:22
lbt	less experimental	01:22
* lbt is a Qt boy		01:22
jeremiah_	I mean, I am more familiar with Gnome, but I don't mind Qt.	01:22
jeremiah_	Yeah, I think I kinda agree.	01:23
jeremiah_	Although Gnome is pretty well tested too	01:23
jeremiah_	I don't know why it is more popular than Qt, and KDE, but it is.	01:23
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javispedro	is that the official ad?	01:25
lcuk	i like that	01:26
Mousey	i'd still like to hear how left handed people love that spacebar	01:27
SpeedEvil	Does anyone happen to have APN settings and stuff for three.co.uk ?	01:27
lcuk	when you are typing it doesnt matter	01:27
lbt	javispedro: do you have /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash	01:28
lbt	is it a symlink to /bin/bash	01:28
* Mousey wonders		01:28
javispedro	lbt: /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> /bin/bash	01:28
javispedro	604K /bin/bash	01:28
lbt	for me /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> Segmentation fault (core dumped)	01:28
lbt	ah	01:28
javispedro	/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM	01:28
lbt	so I lost /bin/bash somehow	01:29
hardaker	Sorry... kids came home. Nokia has pretty much stated that Maemo6 will be mostly Qt based, right? To me that says that they're moving to Qt for everything.	01:29
lbt	but it kinda doesn't matter	01:29
javispedro	or you never got it :P	01:29
lbt	'cs sbox doesn't use it	01:29
javispedro	yeah.	01:29
hardaker	(granted, I'm about equal in experience with both of them and am not biased... it's more with "what should I use now")	01:29
javispedro	it intercepts exec() calls	01:29
lbt	hardaker: starting from zero ... Qt	01:30
lbt	starting from 5k lines of Gtk/C.... Gtk	01:30
lbt	using a shedload of gtk libs... gtk	01:30
javispedro	launching /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash execs the armel bash shell here.	01:30
lbt	not hard really :)	01:30
javispedro	thus I guess sbox's "hack" is failing here.	01:31
hardaker	lbt: that's sort of what I've been thinking.	01:31
* lbt looks for an armel bash		01:31
lcuk	i was expecting a "...priceless" line then lbt :P	01:31
javispedro	lbt: try reinstalling package bash.	01:31
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hardaker	lcuk: writing in straight bash for console usage: priceless?	01:31
lbt	javispedro: good idea	01:31
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javispedro	the ad is good indeed. it could've been worse.	01:32
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lbt	so hard it suffocateas	01:32
lcuk	give it room!	01:32
* lbt is keeping a chokehold .... just to be sure		01:32
jeremiah_	SpeedEvil: Are you having trouble with a 3 sim card?	01:33
qwerty12_N810	Focus this energy on Ovi Maps...	01:33
jeremiah_	Because I had to change from 3 since it didn't work with the N900	01:33
* lbt watches Ad in HD to see what he's obviously missing		01:33
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jeremiah_	Although that is not really an answer to your question. :/	01:33
SpeedEvil	jeremiah: incidentally, I'm trying to get it working - as my broadband is likely to fall over	01:33
javispedro	lbt: expecting a worse one :)	01:34
SpeedEvil	jeremiah: it does more or less daily.	01:34
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* lbt has MythTV ... I haven't really seen TV ads for about 5 years		01:34
lbt	we watch them sometimes for nostalgia	01:34
lbt	conclusion: we're not missing much	01:35
javispedro	yes.	01:35
fiferboy	lbt: back	01:35
lbt	phew Qt is building	01:35
lbt	good timing fiferboy	01:35
lbt	how's you ?	01:35
fiferboy	Good, lbt. You?	01:36
lcuk	lbt, you can release scratchbox now, its turning a funny shade of purple	01:36
lbt	nah, it's still twitching	01:36
lcuk	ahh you installed the qt-birdwatching app as well	01:37
fiferboy	lcuk: :)	01:38
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hardaker	life without scratchbox would suck compared to life with it	01:39
GAN900	fiferboy, OK, now I've got a Talk user to smack down with the missed calls applet. ;)	01:40
fiferboy	GAN900: ?	01:40
GAN900	He says it's going to suck because there's no missed calls indicator on the desktop.	01:41
qwerty12_N810	GAN900: I want to laugh... and cry, at that statement.	01:41
GAN900	Hehe	01:41
javispedro	btw, did the rss reader get an improvement in fremantle? I'm seeing screenshots of a redesigned one using stackable windows.	01:43
* lbt admits that scratchbox is a pretty damned good solution to a hard problem and lets it breathe again		01:43
hardaker	developing for a device without an emulator sucks. I did that with a palm for a while.	01:44
javispedro	for a while? do we have a palm emulator?	01:44
hardaker	yes, there is a palm emulator.	01:44
hardaker	even runs on linux ;-)	01:44
javispedro	then you don't mean janeiro, but gvm.	01:44
javispedro	it missed half of the arm syscalls.	01:45
javispedro	it has since improved (new bugs added too) and was released for the n8x0	01:45
javispedro	but unfortunately NO new versions for desktop :(	01:45
qwerty12_N810	Why would one want a real Palm, let alone a Palm emulator?	01:46
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javispedro	janeiro was a true palmos arm emulator. it was only released for windows and modified to run GHost/GVM instead	01:47
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javispedro	they say it got leaked somewhere, and that's why I am curious :)	01:48
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lbt	night all	02:02
lcuk	gnite lbt	02:02
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* zerojay is gonna post on the thread on which you don't post! Oooooohhhh!!		02:37
Stskeeps	and i thought the pre-launch paranoia was bad..	02:38
zerojay	It's allll so retarded.	02:39
airstrike	i love these portuguese names :P	02:42
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Stskeeps	at least we can all agree with lbts blog post on ovi maps..	02:43
zerojay	I don't.	02:43
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zerojay	Except for what he says about the UI.	02:43
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Stskeeps	UI confuses the hell out of me	02:43
zerojay	I used Ovi Maps all weekend long in a city I've never been too before and never had any issues with it... worked fine, always knew where I was.	02:44
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zerojay	But the UI breaking with the standards across the rest of the OS just sucks.	02:44
zerojay	It's got other issues too... and feels like a mishmash of scripts and rather hacked together	02:44
zerojay	Hmm.. did that "don't post here" thread get deleted?	02:45
Stskeeps	i wouldnt mind it if it just started with "here is a map. here are you. zoom here or on vol buttons. click here to find a route or look up an address.	02:45
zerojay	It is like that, it's just that it's not easy to tell.	02:46
zerojay	We're conditioned that the top right corner = close or go back.	02:46
Stskeeps	i am considering to submit the ui to my usability professor.	02:46
zerojay	In maps, it brings you to routing/look up.	02:47
zerojay	There's so many little random issues all over it.	02:47
zerojay	That said... once you learn it, it works fine for the most part.	02:47
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Stskeeps	i just want maemo mapper back i guess :P	02:49
Stskeeps	even with some of the insane issues it has	02:49
lcuk	can original "maps" from n810 run on here	02:50
zerojay	eiffel's little "no thanks from me" threat is laughable.	02:50
zerojay	Time to see if he'll follow through. :P	02:50
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Stskeeps	poor ari.. the angry mob has spread to his blog	02:58
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wurtog	evening, maemo 5 is installable on nokia 810 ?	03:01
Stskeeps	no,	03:01
Stskeeps	~mer	03:01
infobot	methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer	03:01
Stskeeps	we arent day to day usable yet, but.	03:02
wurtog	second question: there is some enhanced keyboard for maemo ? i want one with bigger letters to tip (fat fingers)	03:02
* zerojay posted on the thread that should not be!		03:02
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Stskeeps	wurtog: thumb keyboard?	03:02
lcuk	wurtog, you can add a bluetooth fullsize keyboard if you like	03:04
wurtog	Stskeeps, how i install it ?	03:04
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Stskeeps	oh, you mean physical keyboard?	03:04
wurtog	there isnt nothing like: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u110/ichmoimeyo/zeroWeightKeyboard_00.jpg	03:05
Stskeeps	thats called a n900. my fat fingers were never happier.	03:05
wurtog	Stskeeps, no, i want a digital one. but with bigger buttos. my fingers are fat.	03:05
Stskeeps	ah	03:05
zerojay	Stskeeps: Agreed.	03:05
Stskeeps	enable virtual keyboard and select always launch thumb	03:05
Stskeeps	in settings	03:06
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wurtog	Stskeeps, works for 810 ?	03:07
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Stskeeps	yes	03:08
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wurtog	Stskeeps, thanks buddy	03:09
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fureddo	Is there someone here who have used the maemo-optify before?	03:21
fureddo	The README mentions that it should be used like this: maemo-optify PACKAGE DIR. I wonder if I have to put the version number or not for the PACKAGE parameter. Is it important or not really?	03:24
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uhsf	is it possible to use a splitter/adapter with the Nokia N900 in order to use independent earphones and microphone for answering a call?	03:41
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Analias	could someone explain the relationship between git.maemo.org and stage.maemo.org to me? Which one is the "official" source for the current release(s) of projects. I'm interested in working with the latest stable releases and using them in an OE build of Angstrom on the mini2440.	04:08
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GeneralAntilles	Analias, then you want git	04:30
Analias	ok - I still see very recent checkins on the SVN side - are there still projects that exist only in SVN that are core components?	04:31
GeneralAntilles	I believe so	04:32
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GeneralAntilles	Not entirely certain what's migrated and what hasn't.	04:32
Analias	is there a "map"? I assume the build tools have to know where to go.	04:32
GeneralAntilles	There was a GSoC project to import everything into OE.	04:33
GeneralAntilles	You may want to look at that.	04:33
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GeneralAntilles	Honestly, though, there's no way you're going to get the most recent Maemo 5 stuff running well on an ARM9. :)	04:33
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Analias	I found it and I'm using it, but it's lagging behind and many of the referenced source files have disappeared, been replace, or moved at repository.maemo.org. I'm still using it as a basis, but I would like to build an overlay for OE/Angstrom that uses the most stable code right of the repository without relying on the source tar balls at repository.maemo.org. -- Does all of this seem like the right path to take?	04:35
GeneralAntilles	Doesn't seem unreasonably, but I'm probably not one of the best people to ask. ;)	04:36
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, lbt or johnx are probably better.	04:36
lcuk	Analias, speak to rkirti	04:37
lcuk	as well	04:37
GeneralAntilles	Not sure if she's still hanging around.	04:37
GeneralAntilles	GSoC, unfortunately, rarely sticks.	04:37
lcuk	yeah she is :)	04:37
Analias	when are they on typically? - oh definitely I'll talk to rkirti	04:37
lcuk	just not everyday	04:37
lcuk	mail her	04:37
GeneralAntilles	Analias, lbt and Stskeeps are on European time	04:38
lcuk	should be easy to find	04:38
lcuk	she will come	04:38
GeneralAntilles	johnx is West Coast USA.	04:38
pupnik	what project provides serverless p2p open source voice chat	04:38
pupnik	for maemo	04:38
Analias	ok, much appreciated Antilles and Icuk.	04:39
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ds3	hmmm	05:07
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GeneralAntilles	They're working themselves into a frothing frenzy over not having a widget to show missed calls when the info is one tap away.	05:19
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microlith	it's up to 7 notification windows already	06:58
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pupnik	..been watching videos on PC server from N810 over the network - with ukki's knots2 - very fast and fun nowâ!	07:09
pupnik	testing channel is #knots on freenode	07:10
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johnx	malformed wallpaper set description .desktop files can cause h-d to behave badly. is this a known problem?	07:48
RST38h	not that I heard of	07:48
johnx	I can send you a .desktop that makes it impossible to change your background. want it? :)	07:49
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RST38h	No!	07:51
* RST38h hides in horror =)		07:51
RST38h	But seriously, file a bug, get karma	07:51
johnx	ah, right	07:51
johnx	the karma	07:51
johnx	dunno how they missed it though	07:51
johnx	all you have to do is point to a file that doesn't exist and h-d crashes every time you try to change backgrounds	07:52
RST38h	they nnever made mistakes in their desktop files?	07:52
RST38h	oh shit...	07:52
johnx	i wouldn't be surprised to learn that this is a problem with .desktop parsing in general...	07:53
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johnx	on the bright side, it does respawn without any problem	07:53
RST38h	well, that is easy to check...	07:53
johnx	suppose I might as well...	07:53
* RST38h wonders if johnx's bug will be marked as enhancement: after all h-d does survive the crash		07:54
johnx	heh	07:54
johnx	and it isn't an advertised feature that it should survive any kind of mistake on the user's part :)	07:54
johnx	interesting	07:55
johnx	I think it's just the background switcher that has the problem...	07:55
johnx	aaaah...whatever generates the thumbnail is probably to blame	07:55
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* kirma sees that chips on N900 reflect typical weekend of nokia linux device engineer: first there's VAPAUS, then there's LYSTI and the day after it's RAPU-YAMA		08:07
jaska	what next, krapula?	08:08
* johnx busts out google translate		08:08
johnx	maybe that'd make a good h-d widget...	08:08
kirma	jaska: well, "rapu-yama" could be literally interpreted as "hangoverous condition" :)	08:10
johnx	google called it "CRAB-YAMA" (am I right in guessing Finnish?)	08:10
kirma	err, s/literally/imaginatively/	08:10
Analias	Johnx: I'm pretty new to Maemo development - are the git repos at maemo.gitorious.org the official releases of the Maemo core components. I'm trying to build on the GSoC work done by rkirti and pull the sources directly from the repositories instead of using the tarballs repository.maemo.org.	08:10
kirma	johnx: yes	08:11
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johnx	Analias, yes, the maemo.gitorious.org repos are official (and it feels great to say that!)	08:11
kirma	the chip even has a line profile of a shellfish/crab on its' labeling	08:11
johnx	I know 'yama' in Japanese, but have no guesses about what it means in Finnish	08:12
Analias	I can imagine - hehe - please put that notice somewhere on the main site - I've been banging head trying to track that down	08:12
* RST38h suspects fuji-yama also does not mean anything good in Finnish		08:13
kirma	it doesn't really mean anything in Finnish. "jama" means roughly "condition" or "situation", but I suppose there's some generational logic on the chip name or soemething	08:13
johnx	Analias, done. http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/fremantle_hildon_desktop_components_available_from_maemo-gitorious-org/	08:13
johnx	:)	08:13
Analias	woot - thanks	08:14
jaska	ahh	08:14
kirma	johnx: like there are different generations of nokia EM ASICs: RETU, VILMA and now GAZOO, all from... the flintstones ;)	08:15
johnx	Analias, heh. was kind of kidding, since it looks like the announcement was already there. Where do you think an announcement like that should go?	08:15
RST38h	GAZOO does not sound good	08:15
johnx	kirma, aaaah, right. I remember now	08:15
* RST38h happens to know who Gazoo is		08:15
johnx	RST38h, yeah. sounds like gas + kazoo	08:15
RST38h	no, worse. a moment.	08:15
johnx	the little alien, right?	08:16
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johnx	or whatever he was	08:16
RST38h	johnx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gazoo	08:16
Analias	I would have saved my self a lot of headaches if it was simply on the front page of the developers section - but, then again I'm pretty dense or blind at times	08:16
kirma	not working at nokia and especially not at chip design I just find the names amusing :)	08:16
johnx	Analias, it's a pretty new thing, really	08:16
Analias	eight days - yep	08:16
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johnx	I'll probably just put a link on the development page and let someone else delete it if they feel it's not appropriate	08:17
Analias	I guess I can throw away my git-svn import of the old SNV tree	08:17
RST38h	A severe outbreak of the H1N1 pandemic could overwhelm internet providers' capacity, according to a report submitted Monday, which called on Department of Homeland Security officials to develop contingency plans to avert such a crisis.	08:18
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johnx	ah, but first I need to file that bug...	08:18
Analias	actually it's there - in the recent posts - but it would be nice as a call out	08:18
timeless_mbp	johnx: sadly our testers aren't that interesting. they have absolutely no creativity	08:19
johnx	timeless_mbp, I do the best testing at work when I'm actually avoiding other tasks	08:19
johnx	I still think a bug bounty that's a little higher than some karma points would help	08:19
\|R	http://vimeo.com/5384225 <- wow that's the most stupid thing i've seen this month	08:20
RST38h	johnx: The only thing that would help is actually fixing the bugs rather than trying to mark more complicated bugs as "improvements" or "wontfix"	08:20
ShadowJK	I've seen some of them on random forums. They seem like the kind of people that key in a number and press another key, and then talk to themselves for awhile until pressing a key and putting their device away.	08:20
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RST38h	johnx: I would actually agree to spend karma points on each bug actually fixed	08:21
johnx	well, actually for the open source parts, that should be something that can be done on the forums...	08:22
timeless_mbp	johnx: i'm likely to send some people tshirts	08:22
johnx	man, that'd be kind of an interesting social feature...	08:22
timeless_mbp	i need to figure out which shirts we have available	08:22
johnx	I want one of the Nokia "old logo" fish shirts :D	08:22
timeless_mbp	specifically the login picker bug filer is quite likely to get a shirt	08:23
RST38h	johnx: Well, you know that even open source parts are developed in house	08:23
ShadowJK	a "Fixed in Harmattan" t-shirt, with the "in Harmattan" part crossed out	08:23
johnx	RST38h, yeah, I know. who cares?	08:23
RST38h	johnx: You suggested using forums	08:24
RST38h	Probably impossible	08:24
timeless_mbp	ShadowJK: heh	08:24
johnx	RST38h, I did. I'm suggesting that if Nokia won't fix it, and you want it fixed no matter what, then you can pay karma (through a bounty) to other community members	08:24
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RST38h	johnx: Ah	08:25
* timeless_mbp sighs		08:25
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RST38h	johnx: But what do you do with it afterwards? Keep your own fixed copy to yourself?	08:25
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timeless_mbp	i've almost gotten to down to 1500 unread bugmails	08:25
johnx	RST38h, one step at a time	08:25
RST38h	mhm	08:25
RST38h	sounds pointless without the distribution solution	08:26
ShadowJK	timeless, are these random ones from testers?	08:26
RST38h	An Extras-Hacking repo with updated versions of system components? :)	08:26
timeless_mbp	ShadowJK: this is a sample from all bugmail generated for bugzilla.mozilla.org	08:26
johnx	RST38h, honestly, I don't know. if it's really a defect, hopefully nokia will take it. if it's not a feature nokia wanted to do, then they wouldn't distribute it anyways	08:26
johnx	RST38h, that sounds good	08:26
timeless_mbp	the sample rules are things like 'mentions "crash"'	08:26
ShadowJK	oh, right	08:26
johnx	RST38h, it should disable nokia's SSUs as well	08:27
ShadowJK	that sounds dreadful	08:27
johnx	RST38h, and we could call it mer ...	08:27
RST38h	johnx: One problem here is that there are really few platform people in the community willing+able to do this kind of work	08:27
RST38h	why disable Nokia SSUs?	08:27
johnx	RST38h, because if you have a custom change to your libgtk and nokia ssu replaces it, then you're kinda screwed	08:27
RST38h	well maybe nokia's version is better? :)	08:28
johnx	RST38h, so the way I'd do it, is disable nokia's SSU repo and pull their SSU's into extras-hacking after vetting them	08:28
RST38h	Nokia won't like it at all =)	08:29
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, you do have a way to "pay" to get bugs fixed. It's called voting.	08:29
johnx	RST38h, again: so?	08:29
RST38h	General: the vote limits are pretty generous right now though, no scarcity that "paying" would imply	08:31
RST38h	johnx: DMCA, lawsuit, incarceration =)	08:31
johnx	RST38h, just like they did to those poor mer guys	08:31
GeneralAntilles	Erm, for pulling in open source components?	08:31
johnx	it was horrible, how they fly us around the world, and hand us prerelease hardware	08:32
johnx	I wouldn't wish it on anyone	08:32
timeless_mbp	aSIMULAtor: help	08:32
timeless_mbp	i had nice clear glasses yesterday	08:32
timeless_mbp	i woke up, and they look just like they did when visited your desk	08:32
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timeless_mbp	johnx: yeah, and enabled you to do various things which are illegal in your native country	08:33
johnx	timeless_mbp, hmm? missing your meaning...	08:34
timeless_mbp	just listing other things you could do in AMS	08:34
timeless_mbp	absolutely horrible, allowing legal access to things that are generally considered illegal	08:35
johnx	RST38h, I guess I should clarify: it's easy to override Nokia's update policy and still pull the updates from their servers	08:35
johnx	timeless_mbp, yeah. too bad I was too sick to do anything about that	08:35
RST38h	General: For pulling SSUs apart	08:35
johnx	still, the party was fun :)	08:35
RST38h	johnx; yea, I know	08:35
Passeli	i have Qt + OpenGL question	08:39
Passeli	what is the difference with running application with -graphicssystem opengl\|opengles vs. QGraphicsView::setViewport(new QGLWidget()) ?	08:39
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tekojo	Morning!	08:59
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johnx	allo lardman	09:00
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lardman	morning johnx	09:01
Xisdibik	evening lardman ;)	09:02
lardman	hi Xisdibik	09:02
johnx	is there anyone on right now who could make a quick change to: http://maemo.org/development/sources/ ?	09:03
johnx	I think it might be nice to mention maemo.gitorious.org on that page	09:03
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lardman	a job for dneary I think	09:04
johnx	thanks for hiliting him :)	09:05
johnx	ah, but not logged in :/	09:05
lardman	I certainly don't have access rights to that page anyway	09:05
tekojo	johnx I think I should have the rights	09:06
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johnx	tekojo, want me to write you something to add to it? or do you want to write it?	09:07
tekojo	What kind of change were you thinking about?	09:07
tekojo	Please, you are the native :-)	09:07
johnx	just adding a reference to maemo.gitorious.org (and maybe changing sdk 5b2 to 5 final)	09:08
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tekojo	Sure those sound sensible, just throw a couple of lines	09:09
johnx	working on it :)	09:09
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johnx	tekojo, http://pastebin.com/m7d36bcba . If you wouldn't mind putting that at the top, right under "Sources" and then removing the "beta2" from behind Maemo 5 a bit down the page, I'd really appreciate it	09:18
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tekojo	There we go	09:23
tekojo	ah links, I'll go and fix those	09:23
johnx	thank you :D	09:23
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tekojo	and couldn't help my english kick in, 'please see' is more polite than 'look' :-)	09:24
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johnx	sounds good. all I want is to get the word spread about maemo.gitorious.org	09:25
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johnx	hey lbt	09:25
lbt	moin	09:25
* lbt not really here :)		09:26
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johnx	hmm...must be hallucinating. obviously I've been working on LDAP schemas too much...	09:26
* lbt going for shower, then work ;)		09:26
lbt	wantedt to tell fiferboy: qwebframe.cpp:(.text+0xcdc): undefined reference to `QPrinter::pageRect() const'	09:27
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lbt	he's not here though...	09:27
tekojo	johnx a good cause, please tell more people about gitorious	09:29
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tekojo	morning lbt	09:29
lardman	hmm, anyone know what I need to stick in my control file to get python placed in the autobuilder as a build-dep?	09:29
liri	how do I install the boot menu?	09:29
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liri	on an n810	09:29
lardman	morning lbt	09:29
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johnx	liri, probably the easiest way is to use the mer installer. that will install the bootmenu-installer and the mer-installer as two separate menu entries. if you don't want to install mer, just run the bootmenu installer and ignore the mer installer	09:32
johnx	http://trac.tspre.org/merinstaller.install	09:32
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liri	so what package am I looking for to install? bootmenu-installer?	09:32
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johnx	best phrase ever to find on a power brick: "best results if plugged in"	09:52
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tigert	haha	09:53
tigert	good one ;)	09:53
tigert	and good morning	09:53
johnx	http://www.engadget.com/photos/litl-easel-netbook-is-cute-as-a-baby-blue-button/2400293/	09:54
goodnight	.	09:54
tigert	heh	09:54
tigert	oh, litl came out of closet? :)	09:54
johnx	yeah. looks like a somewhat interesting product if they can find the right price/demographic	09:54
tigert	is it different from other netbooks!	09:55
tigert	?	09:55
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tigert	darn keymap :)	09:56
johnx	it runs "litl OS"	09:56
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johnx	mostly a browser it seems	09:56
lardman	bbl	09:57
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tigert	no photos of the UI?	09:57
tigert	bummer	09:57
tigert	or are there somewhere?	09:57
johnx	nah	09:58
johnx	but here's the article at least: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/litl-easel-web-computer-is-cute-as-a-baby-blue-button/	09:58
johnx	didn't realize the gallery doesn't link back to it (weird)	09:58
johnx	guess it's a 'teaser' website and an fcc document right now	09:59
tigert	yeah	10:02
tigert	too much teasing is dangerous if the expectations are higher than what you reveal	10:03
tigert	lets see	10:03
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tigert	so many netbooks and mobile devices already	10:03
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:29
johnx	mornin' Jaffa	10:29
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hrw	morning	10:37
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johnx	I think that guy pushing the "xpPhone" on t.m.o actually believes what he's saying ...	10:39
johnx	mornin' hrw	10:40
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andril	Hello all	10:40
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andril	Are there any working alteratives to wayfinder on the n810	10:41
X-Fade	lardman\|gone: still missing build-depends..	10:42
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johnx	andril, do you need the turn-by-turn stuff? or just a decent mapping program?	10:42
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andril	Something that works with gps	10:42
johnx	have you tried maemo mapper?	10:43
andril	Turn by turn would be nice	10:43
andril	Haven't got it to work properly	10:43
johnx	which part doesn't work? the map download?	10:43
johnx	I've only gotten the yahoo maps source to work very well recently	10:44
andril	I wish google aps were out	10:44
andril	Downloading mm now	10:45
johnx	I don't really see google officially supporting any apps on maemo ...	10:46
andril	I know ;(	10:47
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johnx	looking into this right now actually: http://www.novopia.com/emerillon/	10:49
johnx	looks like it could be really nice in the future	10:49
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andril	Not bad at all	10:51
johnx	right now it's crashing on startup on my desktop :)	10:51
RST38h	johnx: talk to lardman	10:52
RST38h	johnx: he is porting it	10:52
johnx	ah! awesometastic	10:52
johnx	maybe I should just start learning how to make plugins then	10:52
andril	Thhat would be awesome	10:53
RST38h	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33580 <=== fun!	10:54
johnx	RST38h, yeah	10:54
RST38h	Join Date: Oct 2009	10:55
johnx	1 post	10:55
johnx	he's probably not even reading the threa	10:55
johnx	d	10:55
RST38h	guess so	10:55
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RST38h	a write-only user	10:55
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johnx	yup, the (*$&% of the day award goes to that guy. the xpPhone guy at least seems honestly convinced that xp on a phone is a good idea	10:56
andril	Waiting on gps fix from mm	10:56
RST38h	which makes him insane. is it a better thing than being pissed off at life like the last guy? =)	10:57
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lbt_	johnx: sounds like a plan to me	10:57
* lbt_ suggests MS focus on mobileXP		10:57
johnx	lbt, that's what windows "mobile" 7 is, unless I'm confused	10:57
johnx	RST38h, I've known plenty of people who were quite out of touch with reality, but led very happy lives	10:58
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lbt_	nah, why shrink it ... go BIG	10:58
johnx	and in small doses they're much more pleasant to be around than people who are mad at everything	10:58
RST38h	johnx: yea, psychiatrists call it "socially adapted"	10:58
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RST38h	johnx: in fact, as most mental ilnesses cannot be cured, achieving social adaptation in patients is what most psychiatrists do	10:59
johnx	RST38h, on the flipside, is it really an 'illness' if the person is well adapted and self-supporting?	11:00
RST38h	I.e. think of those green men waving at your from every corner as a pleasant haloween decorations and proceed with your life =)	11:00
mihu1	I'm trying to run Q3A with the demo version of Q3A. I downloaded and extracted the pak0.pk3 according to this post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=345145&postcount=116, and Q3A seems to start up, but then shuts down with an error message. Did anybody try to use the demo version?	11:00
RST38h	johnx: I would say it is	11:00
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johnx	mihu1, can you try running it from the terminal?	11:01
mihu1	johnx: I do. Here is the log http://pastebin.com/d459b5b4	11:01
johnx	wow	11:02
johnx	not many clues	11:02
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andril	Maemo seems to be nice but short on backwards compatibility	11:05
andril	We should be able to run the newer version on the n810 just like newer distros of linux on a old pc	11:05
johnx	andril, that's where the (community supported) mer project comes in	11:05
andril	I saw mer on youtube is there a easy way to install it	11:06
johnx	http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation	11:07
johnx	this is probably what you want: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#The_Installer	11:07
johnx	do you have a "spare" sd card you can use?	11:07
RST38h	"China's state-run newspaper, People's Daily, is accusing Google of unfairly censoring it's online book section from search results" hehe	11:09
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johnx	bleh	11:11
johnx	can't get emerillon running anywhere	11:11
RST38h	johnx: Do talk to lardman, he had some success with it	11:11
johnx	I will	11:12
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RST38h	johnx: As a short term solution, eCoach does a pretty good job at displaying maps now. Multiple sources, etc	11:12
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Myrtti	RST38h: correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't google banned in China?	11:12
RST38h	Myrtti: not entirely, afaik	11:12
andril	Yes i do	11:12
RST38h	Myrtti: Besides, the famous firewall of China is more like herpes - certain sites tend to get banned and unbanned on seemingly random rate	11:13
johnx	RST38h, ah. hilariously, I'm actually ok with ovi maps for now. I was interesting in emerillon on netbook and/or mer, but I can't even make it run on my desktop	11:13
* RST38h can't stand Ovi maps =(		11:13
johnx	I was trying it on linux/ppc and figured the segfault was arch dependent, but it does the same on my athlon	11:13
hrw	RST38h: you are not the only one	11:14
RST38h	hrw: Vote/comment on the bugs then	11:14
hrw	RST38h: on symbian ovi maps is usable for walk navigation more or less. but I will not drive with it (tried)	11:14
johnx	for sure it's not very good, but when it's not fighting my control of the view and spinning the map at stop signs it's kind of helpful	11:14
hrw	RST38h: I did not used n900 version yet so will not vote	11:15
RST38h	hrw: Symbian version is fine for me, I mostly walk	11:15
RST38h	hrw: Maemo5 version is seriously screwed up	11:15
hrw	RST38h: you know... it is maemo - what you expected?	11:15
RST38h	johnx,hrw: Bugs #5332,#5333,#5336, all labelled as "enhancements" i.e. they do not intend to fix them	11:16
RST38h	hrw: I expected apps that are usable	11:16
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johnx	hrw, well, lots of other stuff in maemo5 actually got lots better	11:16
RST38h	hrw: Not asking for anything special, just a usable product	11:16
johnx	I didn't really expect a usable maps app, so I'm not really surprised	11:16
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liri	how do I check my OS version on N810?	11:17
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hrw	liri: control panel ->about product	11:17
liri	thanks	11:17
hrw	RST38h: add some screenshots to bugs?	11:17
RST38h	hrw: And I also think that when a project manager from Nokia suggests that I use community-supplied apps rather than Nokia0supplied ones, it is a clear failure for Maemo	11:17
* johnx should probably add a video of the "spinning while stationary" thing		11:17
andril	Thanks back to work i go	11:18
liri	the bootmenu is gone after an upgrade. Is it possible to easily restore it with init_flasher which I already have installed?	11:18
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RST38h	hrw: screenshots are all over the web nowadays	11:18
RST38h	lemme see	11:18
johnx	liri, I think it's probably just as easy to install it again with the bootmenu installer	11:19
johnx	it should pick up your config	11:19
hrw	liri: reinstall bootmenu then	11:19
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liri	how do I do that?	11:19
RST38h	hrw: http://images.dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/N900-GPS-Ovi-Maps-Demo.jpg	11:19
johnx	same way you did it the first time	11:19
liri	johnx: like I remember... that was like a year ago :)	11:19
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hrw	liri: go to mer install page - they point to nice bootmenu installler there	11:20
liri	johnx: and I can't really do it again because back then I used it to also clone the OS and I don't want to mistakenly to overwrite my already functioning OS on the internal SD	11:20
johnx	liri, install the mer installer from here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#The_Installer	11:21
johnx	it'll give you bootmenu installer and mer installer. if you don't want mer, just don't launch the mer installer	11:21
liri	ok I'll see	11:21
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johnx	alright. time for me to catch some sleep	11:22
johnx	'night all	11:22
lbt_	night johnx	11:22
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liri	thanks johnx, installing the bootmenu worked	11:37
liri	I now have to figure out how to add the entries for the mmc there	11:37
liri	I remember its something related to editing a bootmenu.conf or something	11:37
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hrw	liri: look at /etc/bootmenu*	11:39
liri	yeah, there's a bootmenu.d/ entry there but its empty	11:40
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Stskeeps	wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Bootmenu	11:41
liri	so I'll have to re-flash it to update the bootmenu?	11:43
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liri	thanks	11:53
liri	that helped	11:53
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lardman	re	11:57
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hrw	hi lardman	11:58
lardman	hi hrw, how's things?	11:58
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lardman	why oh why is there no sample code for using AWS from C	12:05
lardman	?	12:05
RST38h	"Somali pirates preparing ransom demand for British kidnap couple" <-- how business like	12:06
RST38h	lardman: talk to johnx, he wanted the maps app =)	12:06
lardman	hopefully answered by "SAS/SBS storm Somali pirates' boat and kill all the pirates and free the couple"	12:06
hrw	aws?	12:06
lardman	amazon web services	12:06
hrw	ah	12:06
RST38h	lardman: that would be politically incorrect	12:07
hrw	lardman: how things... few troubles with one board but it has low priority, working on bug for most of time	12:07
RST38h	lardman: the politically correct way would be to treat them as human beings, talk to them for the next 3-4 months, then pay them money	12:07
lardman	~lart PCness	12:08
* infobot rm -rf's PCness		12:08
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msh_	arvo. wondering, is diablo extras-devel not updating from the autobuilder properly atm?	12:09
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lardman	speaking of the autobuilder, how do I get it to install Python?	12:10
qwerty12_N810	python2.5 in Build-Depends?	12:11
lardman	should a build-dep on "python" be enough?	12:11
lardman	does it need to be python2.5?	12:11
lardman	curiously the autobuilder didn't complain about straight python	12:11
RST38h	an alias probably	12:11
lardman	but one that should work	12:12
qwerty12_N810	Hmm, I guess "python" is enough: "python" depends on python2.5 here	12:12
qwerty12_N810	Ah	12:13
lardman	https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-October/010897.html ?	12:13
qwerty12_N810	Sec	12:13
lardman	perhaps the configure script needs something more than just Python, will have to check when I get home	12:13
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t_s_o	how is that 900 working out?	12:18
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lardman	which, mine?	12:19
t_s_o	heh, i think it was Stskeeps that just logged on with one, and then off again...	12:20
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lardman	ah, I see	12:20
Stskeeps	t_s_o: happy customer	12:21
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* w00t still wants to steal Stskeeps' n900		12:33
qwerty12_N810	There are people more near to you that also have N900s...	12:33
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SpeedEvil	<panto> Look behind you!</panto>	12:34
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t_s_o	not sure i want to know the source of that tag...	12:41
lardman	append a -mime	12:42
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SpeedEvil	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime	12:43
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SpeedEvil	The japanese have tea ceremonies, and samuri, we have Panto, and fish and chips.	12:44
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lardman	and in the same way not all the Japanese are samurai, not all the British like or watch pantos	12:45
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SpeedEvil	Oh yes they do!	12:46
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* lcuk stares @ qwerty12_N810		12:47
fatal^	does anyone know what license liblocation is distributed under?	12:47
* qwerty12_N810 stares at lcuk		12:47
t_s_o	sheesh, trying to find that wiki article on secure mode is not easy...	12:47
fatal^	AFAIK it's proprietary..... and maemo-mapper is GPLv3.... not a perfect match. ;P	12:47
lardman	fatal^: did you see my question in #champlain?	12:48
lardman	re mm	12:48
qwerty12_N810	~lart nautilus	12:48
* infobot chops nautilus in half with a free Solaris 7 CD		12:48
t_s_o	ah, it was called maemo security...	12:48
Stskeeps	fatal^: liblocation may qualify as system library	12:50
Corsac	t_s_o: especially look at the Talk: page btw	12:50
Corsac	I've not yet propagated Elena comments on the main page	12:50
fatal^	Stskeeps: maybe.	12:51
t_s_o	i really "love" seeing the word consume used in the context of content...	12:52
lcuk	i really "love" seeing the word create used in the context of content...	12:53
SpeedEvil	I really "love" seeing the word eggplant used in the context of content...	12:53
t_s_o	having fun?	12:54
lcuk	well bacon is preferable lol	12:54
fatal^	Stskeeps: guess I'll convince myself that's it and let someone else worry about potential licensing issues. :)	12:55
fatal^	I wonder why liblocation isn't free software.... isn't it just an abstraction layer after all? Shouldn't be much "extremely valueable Intellectual Property" in there...	12:56
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* lcuk posted a bug last night about "silent" mode not being silent		12:58
lcuk	anyone	12:58
lcuk	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5865	12:58
lcuk	anyone got any ideas on if its right - it sounds wrong to me	12:59
Lupu	lcuk: Well, you do have the volume buttons to mute it for that use.	13:00
range	I don't know. On my S60 phone the alarm also rings when the phone is on "silent mode" - same goes for music.	13:00
lcuk	Lupu, much more faffing	13:00
Lupu	The silent mode is merely for event related sounds.	13:00
range	And I would be miffed if the alarm wouldn't sound in occasions like that.	13:00
Lupu	It wouldn't make sense that you can't listen to music and/or watch videos if you don't want to head noise from calls or messages.	13:01
lcuk	alarm != music and stuff	13:01
Lupu	Those are noises that you specifically request from the device.	13:01
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Lupu	That's specified behavior.	13:02
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Lupu	If you want full silence, turn down the volume to zero. Silent mode disables event-based "unexpected" sounds.	13:02
lcuk	but if i do that my alarm wont sound in the morning will it?	13:03
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fatal^	silent should have another name that makes it more obvious that it's not really going to be silent.	13:03
Lupu	I don't think the alarm volume is related to that, but it's worth a test.	13:03
* fatal^ would find a mute profile useful.		13:04
* fatal^ has no use for "half-silent".		13:04
Corsac	fatal^: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5793	13:04
Lupu	The naming scheme is indeed a little misguiding.	13:04
Corsac	basically, "silent" might not be the same thing for everyone	13:05
Lupu	fatal^: Ok, just tried it. The volume slider doesn't influence alarm volume.	13:05
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* lbt_ wonders about a dbus wrapper around liblocation and a dbus caller in Maemo Mapper...		13:11
SpeedEvil	what does liblocation do that gpsd doesn't?	13:13
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lardman	allows access to the cell id info	13:13
SpeedEvil	ah	13:13
lardman	it's also power efficient	13:13
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lardman	callbacks if position changes, etc	13:14
lbt_	seems like a rational way to link the two	13:15
hrw	SpeedEvil: gpsd is a bit old fashioned	13:15
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lardman	lbt_: yep	13:15
lbt_	also allows the potential to reverse engineer the API to other stuff	13:15
lbt_	like Mer on N810 and other devices	13:16
hrw	does maemo5 provides geolocation based on gsm cells?	13:16
lbt_	Stskeeps: is liblocation on the list?	13:16
lardman	what's the liblocation licence then?	13:16
hrw	lardman: closed	13:16
lardman	hrw: yep	13:16
lardman	does gpl3 not allow the use of closed components then?	13:17
lardman	i guess not	13:17
Stskeeps	lbt_: liblocation i cannot personally touch.. asking nokia to open headers would be nice though	13:17
lbt_	cf Na + hot H20	13:17
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* timeless_mbp sighs		13:25
timeless_mbp	my phone went on strike	13:25
timeless_mbp	it's churping for new messages and chirps for when a caller hangs up.... but it won't respond to me :(	13:26
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: display stays blank?	13:26
lcuk	buy it new shoes	13:26
timeless_mbp	nope	13:26
timeless_mbp	display is "Address Book"	13:26
lcuk	slide open keyboard?	13:26
timeless_mbp	keyboard was open	13:26
qwerty12_N810	Give it the smackdown	13:26
timeless_mbp	opening the camera lens didn't do anything either :(	13:26
lcuk	sounds b0rkened	13:27
* timeless_mbp holds the power key until it dies		13:27
Lupu	Did you try singing to it? Or twittering back at it?	13:27
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petrux	hi there	13:31
lcuk	timeless, back to life?	13:32
timeless_mbp	yep	13:32
petrux	newbie question: is there any entry-level tutorial about application development on maemo?	13:32
lcuk	rather off	13:32
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lardman	petrux: yes, the tut on maemo.org	13:33
petrux	lardman: I'm on the http://maemo.org/development page... do you mean the dev guide?	13:34
lardman	yep	13:35
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lcuk	petrux, new to maemo development or new to linux development or new to development in general?	13:35
petrux	lardman: thanks.	13:35
petrux	lcuk: new to Maemo dev	13:35
lardman	lcuk: yes, that's the next question	13:35
petrux	lcuk: quite-new to linux development	13:35
lcuk	whats your usual background? windows? webdev? etc	13:36
petrux	lcuk: win/web	13:36
petrux	but also "scientific" programming so not so bound to a platform (mainly Java/Python but now also .NET/Mono)	13:36
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petrux	so what I lack is experience in real-OS-usage (I hope you got what I mean... :-))	13:37
lcuk	do you use a linux machine normally?	13:37
lcuk	lardman, btw - "gst-launch pulsesrc ! pulsesink" on n900 and click fingers	13:38
lcuk	near mic	13:38
petrux	lcuk: for my personal development yes	13:38
lcuk	its not the specific mic port but the mic audio goes through it	13:38
petrux	lcuk: at work no	13:38
lcuk	dang!	13:38
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petrux	lcuk: our job is mostly on Win :-(	13:38
lcuk	-dang! thought that was simon	13:38
lcuk	nothing wrong with win	13:38
lcuk	i use it, but if your home machine is win also, you will need a VM with linux on it	13:39
lbt_	hah	13:39
petrux	lcuk: not so true... anyway, it's a question of points of view. :-)	13:39
petrux	lcuk: no, my personal machine is a Linux Machine	13:39
lcuk	lbt, you just try that command?	13:39
lbt_	petrux++	13:39
wazd	heya all	13:39
petrux	(Ubuntu, but I'm testing also Debian 64studio to make some music)	13:40
petrux	lbt_: uh?	13:40
lcuk	hi wazd of the north \o	13:40
petrux	lcuk: on WinXP I'm experiencing cygwin but I'd like to test andLinux too...	13:40
lbt_	just teasing lcuk....	13:40
petrux	lbt_: I see... :-)	13:40
lbt_	I'm more a linux user	13:40
lardman	cygwin is nasty	13:40
lbt_	what types of app are you wanting to do	13:40
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petrux	lardman: I see... I don't like it so much but... I couldn't find anything better.	13:45
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lbt_	cygwin is great!!	13:46
lbt_	(for using)	13:46
* lbt_ installs on every windows machine he has to use		13:46
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petrux	lbt_: the greatest problem is that I cant type my favourite command	13:47
lbt_	emacs?	13:47
petrux	apt-get something something-else	13:47
petrux	:-)	13:47
lbt_	heh	13:47
petrux	(just kifdding)	13:47
petrux	lbt_: I basically live on emacs... but when I'm on WinXP (like now) I use the Win version	13:48
lcuk	thats something i keep wanting to do from windows naturally	13:48
lcuk	i like the WM, but wish the console was proper	13:48
petrux	lcuk: don't get it...	13:48
* lbt_ too		13:48
lcuk	windows XP window manager feels "right"	13:49
lcuk	i havent found a linux one yet which works as well	13:49
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lcuk	but the console in xp is crap	13:49
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hrw	xp window manager is good? we have different use of WM then ;d	13:49
lardman	ubuntu 9.10 is getting closer	13:49
lcuk	heh	13:49
lardman	hrw: the feel I think he means	13:49
lbt_	lcuk: kde	13:50
petrux	lardman: I'll install Ubuntu 9.10 next week	13:50
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frals	only thing im missing in win7 is a proper console :(	13:50
lardman	true, will have to switch to Qt anyway	13:50
Anunakin	All: Have a nice day!	13:50
petrux	anyway... what abou maemo dev under WinXP? I guess I must use a Virtual Machine, right?	13:50
lcuk	begrudgingly for some things, yes	13:51
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: libnss3-dev is now in sdk, but it seems that it has a missing dependency as well.	13:51
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libnss3-dev/20090612-45.0.1+0m5/	13:51
* lcuk goes afk bbl		13:52
_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: Not surprised. libnss3-dev and libnspr4-dev always go hand-in-hand.	13:53
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Yeah, already pinged to get that fixed too.	13:53
_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: Awesome! I was contemplating /really/ ugly hacks to get around that ...	13:54
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: No, please don't do that ;)	13:54
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: It is a bug and needs to be fixed anyway.	13:54
_\|Nix\|_	... however, I'm noticing that there's a version of pidgin (2.6.2-1maemo1) that was built successfully without libnss3-dev ...	13:55
_\|Nix\|_	It looks like it's straight from Debian.	13:55
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Depends on some protocols perhaps?	13:55
_\|Nix\|_	It seems to depend on libnss3, but not libnss3-dev ...	13:55
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Well then libnss3-dev is a build-depends ?	13:56
_\|Nix\|_	I'm re-doing my sb targets right now using the latest sdk installer to see if I can build pidgin without libnss3-dev ...	13:56
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Which means it still needs to be there?	13:56
_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: The control file says the source package depends on libnss3.	13:56
_\|Nix\|_	I'm pretty sure libnss3-dev is a build-dependency of Pidgin's.	13:57
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_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: Correction. pidgin_2.6.2-1maemo1 /Build/-Depends on libnss3 ...	13:57
_\|Nix\|_	It gets weirder and weirder ...	13:58
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_\|Nix\|_	Anyway. libnss3-dev /should/ be in the SDK and fully usable.	14:00
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Yeah, I'm sure that will be fixed.	14:00
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iDialekt	Hmmm	14:02
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petrux	ok... going to have lunch. see you later. :-)	14:05
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SpeedEvil	hrw: Old fashioned isn't always bad of course.	14:10
lcuk	X-Fade, thanks for curing the packages script :D	14:11
hrw	SpeedEvil: I did not said 'bad'	14:12
X-Fade	lcuk: No problem, small oversight ;)	14:12
SpeedEvil	hrw: no, you diddn't.	14:12
* lcuk nods		14:12
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lcuk	does anyone know the RGB16 bit layout that maemo uses (ie is B5G6R5 correct?)	14:13
AndrewFBlack	Anyone setup Google Sync on there n900 yet?	14:13
hrw	AndrewFBlack: googlesync? no syncml on n900?	14:14
RST38h	google calendar you mean?	14:14
AndrewFBlack	I figureed it would work since google sync is just an exchange server and n900 has exchange support	14:14
RST38h	lcuk: it is 565	14:14
RST38h	Will tell you the exact format in a moment	14:15
lcuk	thanks RST38h	14:15
* lbt_ very disapointed in the data exchage limitations for an 'open' device too		14:16
lcuk	mmm lbt?	14:16
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RST38h	lcuk: #define PIXEL(R,G,B) (pixel)(((31(R)/255)<<11)\|((63(G)/255)<<5)\|(31*(B)/255))	14:16
RST38h	lcuk: he means no bt	14:16
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RST38h	No BT browsing, no sending files over BT	14:17
lcuk	ok, your R G B are floats?	14:17
lcuk	ahh	14:17
hrw	RST38h: no receiving too?	14:17
RST38h	There are two bug tackers for this, mine is for browsing somebody elses is for sharing	14:17
RST38h	hrw: have nto tried	14:17
lcuk	bt receiving is there	14:17
RST38h	probably no	14:17
lcuk	it pops up	14:17
RST38h	really? cool	14:17
hrw	jesus...	14:17
lcuk	i got photos from people	14:17
RST38h	lcuk: They are not floats	14:17
lcuk	via bt	14:17
lcuk	ahh ok RST38h	14:18
lbt_	lcuk: l8r... but I can't get contacts off the phone	14:18
RST38h	lcuk: it is R5.G6.B5	14:18
X-Fade	I've sent files over bt too.	14:18
RST38h	Not photos, files in general	14:18
hrw	lcuk: let me guess - sending contacts from phone -> n900 does not mean that contact will be added to contacts?	14:18
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RST38h	Photos you can share, but not any other file	14:18
lcuk	i dunno hrw	14:18
X-Fade	lbt_: Nokia suite?	14:18
lcuk	i still use paper cards, test	14:18
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lcuk	just been asked a question in email, "is gps exposed to the browser via a W3C geolocation API?"	14:19
lcuk	or is this something we were discussing the other night	14:20
lcuk	about extending it to support	14:20
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goodnight	http://www.maemoit.org/2009/10/n900-sul-catalogo-mediaworld/	14:21
* RST38h looked at N900 photos at 100% magnification. Oh shit.		14:21
RST38h	(Why do we need 5mpx there?)	14:22
lbt_	X-Fade: Nokia suite? Cool... where's the .deb ?	14:23
X-Fade	lbt_: Windows only of course ;)	14:23
hrw	X-Fade: s/nokia suite/ovi suite/	14:24
lbt_	X-Fade: I don't have windows	14:24
lbt_	or Mac	14:24
lbt_	:(	14:24
X-Fade	hrw: PC Suite even	14:24
Jaffa	hrw: Sending contacts from phone to N900 opens the "BT receive file" notification for a vCard (.vcf) and if you tick "Open after saving" it will add to contacts.	14:25
hrw	anyway it is ovi suite now but still suxx	14:25
hrw	Jaffa: so functionality from maemo4 works still	14:25
qwerty12_N810	Was still called "Nokia PC Suite", last time I looked...	14:25
X-Fade	lbt_: You can put the tablet in PC suite mode and get contacts through the modem function, I think.	14:25
lbt_	I've been looking at gnokki	14:25
hrw	Jaffa: I just hope that it will be able to import my contacts. maemo4 was not able	14:25
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_berto_	I sent all my contacts from an old symbian phone with no problems	14:26
hrw	Jaffa: put bigger photo into contact	14:26
lbt_	I suppose I'm just irritated that the syncml isn't exposed over IP.... but much less so if it's simply time-pressure	14:26
hrw	Jaffa: but you will not make it with s60	14:27
X-Fade	_berto_: You don't need to send those. There is a sync function for that.	14:27
lbt_	it also failed to sync to my old nokia 3110	14:27
lbt_	over BT	14:27
_berto_	X-Fade: yeah, using that one	14:27
hrw	Jaffa: my SE k750i phone had contact with 2Mpix picture in it. n810 refused to import	14:27
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lbt_	lcuk: geolocation+dbus would be similar	14:29
lcuk	goelocation+dbus is not exposed in the browser is it?	14:29
X-Fade	hrw: n810 wasn't a phone.	14:30
lcuk	ie a web app cannot get at it	14:30
hrw	X-Fade: I know	14:30
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lcuk	but on the flip, maps is a web app	14:30
lcuk	and obviously has access at some level	14:30
X-Fade	hrw: with N900 being a phone, they needed to step that up quite a bit ;)	14:30
glass	how about webruntime on maemo?(i'm unaware of it's state, but.. webruntime has location apis)	14:30
hrw	X-Fade: n900 is a phone. so far worse then my e66 (also nokia)	14:30
Jaffa	hrw: Send the VCF to a laptop and it makes it easy to attach to a bug ;-)	14:30
lcuk	yes glass	14:30
hrw	Jaffa: bug was reported long time ago	14:31
Jaffa	glass: Web Runtime doesn't exist for Maemo yet, except perhaps in some random Nokia developers' laptops	14:31
Jaffa	hrw: With vcard attached?	14:31
X-Fade	hrw: So far it is a lot better for me than any Symbian phone I have owned before.	14:31
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lbt_	lcuk: earlier we suggested a dbus wrapper over liblocation - the same wrapper may provide web api	14:31
Jaffa	hrw: If it's got the troublesome vcard attached, I'll test on my N900	14:31
lcuk	lbt, no qualms whatsoever, so the email answer i should give is "not now"? or is the jury still out	14:32
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lbt_	I think "not yet" is about right	14:33
_berto_	X-Fade: depends on what you want it for :) for me it's better than any phone I've owned too	14:34
lcuk	+1 berto	14:34
_berto_	but depends on your needs	14:35
_berto_	some people want smaller phones	14:35
hrw	looks like 2781 got fixed for maemo5	14:35
_berto_	or phones that they can use with one hand	14:35
_berto_	or need some particular symbian app	14:36
_berto_	etc etc	14:36
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hrw	I need mail client which will show me 10 entries in inbox view - thats how profimail works on my current phone	14:38
lcuk	landscape or portrait?	14:38
hrw	portrait	14:38
* lcuk nods		14:38
hrw	7 in landscape	14:39
* RST38h facepalms at photos made by N900 camera		14:39
lcuk	RST38h, quick lets see	14:39
RST38h	A moment	14:39
lcuk	hrw, can you take photos or find on web	14:40
hrw	Jaffa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3315	14:41
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lcuk	hahaha http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/10/500x_Screen_shot_2009-10-10_at_9.50.03_AM.jpg	14:42
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hrw	lcuk: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/s60/	14:46
zap_	lcuk: Hi! Can I ask you something? :)	14:46
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lcuk	sure thing zap_ but i might not answer	14:47
Jaffa	hrw: Is that "whole vCard" correct? Quotes seem very odd as displayed in comment #4	14:47
hrw	lcuk: 4 and 5 are broken due to fact that screenshot app do not handle rotation	14:47
hrw	Jaffa: thats how diablo exported vcard	14:47
lcuk	thanks hrw, do you have a device yet?	14:47
hrw	lcuk: n900? nope. waiting for availability in eStore	14:48
lcuk	ok, im just gonna put that screenshot on device and see how the size of the text looks etc	14:48
lcuk	it helps to see it in context	14:48
lcuk	zap_, no sorry	14:48
zap_	ok, np	14:49
lcuk	hrw, are you still involved with bugbase people?	14:50
hrw	lcuk: yes. I have two bugbases here (and ~8 modules)	14:51
Corsac	hrw: estore?	14:51
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hrw	Corsac: n900 discounted devices	14:51
hrw	hi mgedmin	14:51
mgedmin	hi hrw	14:51
Jaffa	hrw: since I have no way of defining a SIP account (AFAIK), I can't test. Importing it without a SIP account of MY_ACCOUNT@sipthingy.com has put the whole of the X-SIP line in the entry	14:52
lcuk	cool, some folks were saying yesterday modular component systems cant work, you have them there	14:52
SpeedEvil	Nobody said they can't work.	14:52
Corsac	hrw: can I haz? :)	14:52
lcuk	lol	14:52
RST38h	They work but appear to be impractical	14:52
SpeedEvil	There are many costs in modularity - in some applications these are prohibitive.	14:52
lcuk	depends on expected usages i suppose	14:53
SpeedEvil	And they may be larger than you think at first.	14:53
RST38h	does not depend on expected usages	14:53
RST38h	MODULAR = can be tailored for any usage	14:53
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mgedmin	interesting bug: open PDF reader, select 'open' from the menu, start scrolling --> I see two directories named 'Documents'	14:59
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samuel	hi, any change installing Qt4.6 or Qt4.5 on N810?	15:02
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qwerty12_N810	mgedmin: I've had that in two flashes, in all applications using the Hildon File Chooser, and with all the "special folders"...	15:07
mgedmin	"two flashes"?	15:07
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qwerty12_N810	Ah, I reflashed first time to get rid of it. And now it's back :-)	15:08
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msh_	hm. https://garage.maemo.org/promoter/diablo working for anyone?	15:09
msh_	oh, it just loaded.	15:09
msh_	slow slow ;)	15:09
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mgedmin	qwerty12_N810: have you filed a bug?	15:14
qwerty12_N810	No, I hate trying to search in Bugzilla	15:14
qwerty12_N810	~fiferboy++	15:14
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: What did I do?	15:15
fiferboy	~karma fiferboy	15:15
infobot	fiferboy has karma of 1	15:15
lcuk	~fiferboy++	15:15
fiferboy	:)	15:15
fiferboy	~karma fiferboy	15:15
lcuk	you broke it	15:16
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: HeColorButton :)	15:16
fiferboy	infobot doesn't like repeats...	15:16
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: It's working for you?	15:16
qwerty12_N810	Yessir	15:16
fiferboy	Excellent	15:16
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X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Problem solved.	15:20
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mgedmin	http://share.ovi.com/media/mgedmin.N900screenshots/mgedmin.10004	15:21
mgedmin	also, ovi SUUUUUUUCKS	15:21
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_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: Nice!	15:22
timeless_mbp	_\|Nix\|_: did you see the person who came in to complain about pidgin?	15:26
_\|Nix\|_	timeless_mbp: Into this chan?	15:27
timeless_mbp	yep	15:27
timeless_mbp	yesterday ish	15:27
* _\|Nix\|_ rans /lastlog		15:27
RST38h	mgedmin: is it ever going to load?	15:27
mgedmin	"it"?	15:27
RST38h	mgedmin: Ah, the duplicate filename bug! Need the bug tracker #?	15:27
mgedmin	if you have it	15:27
RST38h	The Ovi I mean	15:27
RST38h	mgedmin: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5838	15:28
_\|Nix\|_	Oh well, the guy quit.	15:28
_\|Nix\|_	That's what the "Send button" plugin is for.	15:28
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* aquatix wonders why lately the app manager crashes on use		15:35
X-Fade	aquatix: I have seen a lot, but not that ;)	15:35
aquatix	some other apps do too	15:35
aquatix	maybe my internal flash is b0rked again	15:35
X-Fade	memory corruption? Or flash?	15:36
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_\|Nix\|_	RST38h: You're welcome :)	15:36
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aquatix	i suspect the internal flash, as i think it only happens with apps using storage	15:36
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AndrewFBlack	whats best way to get google contacts on n900? Export from Googe then import ot Nokia PC Suite?	15:43
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alecrim	I'm with some problems to bootup Maemo5 with BeagleBoard http://pastebin.com/d30f94b41 ! It's freezing! Any idea?	15:46
tigert	tried google activesync?	15:46
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Jaffa	AndrewFBlack: Mail for Exchange can be used with Google to sync up/down details. I'm told it doesn't do pictures, though.	15:50
AndrewFBlack	Jaffa, for contacts?	15:51
Jaffa	AndrewFBlack: Yes, sorry	15:51
AndrewFBlack	ok I'll try again, seemed to be taking forever so I stopped it	15:52
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Jaffa	AndrewFBlack: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5835 for more	15:52
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mikkov__	X-Fade: extras promoter doesn't work correctly http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/ejpi/0.9.6-4/	15:53
wazd	hehe, FBReader has Loox 720 as icon :)	15:54
RST38h	http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/symbian-horizon-app-store-launched-dev-program-detailed/	15:55
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RST38h	Nokia launches another app store	15:55
RST38h	Oh my god...	15:55
X-Fade	mikkov__: What is wrong there?	15:55
RST38h	They should start firing the guy who supervised the previous app store rollout every time the new one is launched	15:56
mikkov__	X-Fade: read it, try to install it, see version problem with python packages	15:56
Jaffa	X-Fade: I think he's referring to the Python "consistency" issue described in the comments	15:56
X-Fade	Yeah, that seems to be related to python in the SDK again.	15:57
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_\|Nix\|_	Boy ... the extras assistant is uncharacteristically slow ... wait ... uncharacteristically ?	15:57
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mgedmin	I get too much mail	15:59
lcuk	RST38h, im gonna open an app-store-store	16:00
lcuk	where mobile operators can go and buy app-stores	16:00
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mgedmin	)	16:01
mgedmin	:)	16:01
* timeless_mbp fishes again		16:01
RST38h	lcuk; I already opened an app-store! where is my money fountain?	16:02
timeless_mbp	hey, someone wanted me to poke someone about fbreader?	16:02
RST38h	Nix: At least it lets you upload.	16:02
RST38h	Nix: Try dput...	16:02
_\|Nix\|_	RST38h: Doesn't like my pubkey anymore, for some reason, but anyway. I'm just looking forward to getting my Pidgin via extras-devel, rather than building my own.	16:02
_\|Nix\|_	I hope everything works out OK.	16:03
_\|Nix\|_	... with the build.	16:03
RST38h	Nix: No, it always prints that message when it fails	16:03
msh_	mikkov__: I reckon it's related to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818	16:03
RST38h	Nix: May not have anything to do with your pubkey	16:03
msh_	you're perhaps	16:03
msh_	s/you're//	16:03
infobot	msh_ meant: perhaps	16:03
* mgedmin is waiting for a maemo5ified fbreader		16:03
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wazd	first Navigation that uses AA :)	16:04
wazd	http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2009/10/500x_Layers-P8.jpg	16:04
_\|Nix\|_	Is there any package in Fremantle that provides a notification area?	16:05
_\|Nix\|_	... Pidgin has a notification area icon, but it does nothing in FM, because the FM status area doesn't act as a notification area, like it did in Chinook/Diablo.	16:05
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Check what loadapplet does?	16:06
Stskeeps	ANNOUNCEMENT: My first day as maemo.org distmaster, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359877	16:06
_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: That makes a status area plugin.	16:06
_\|Nix\|_	... always did.	16:07
qwerty12_N810	Stskeeps: congrats	16:07
Stskeeps	qwerty12_N810: ta	16:08
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Congrats ;)	16:08
X-Fade	Stskeeps: And welcome to the team of course ;)	16:08
Stskeeps	hehe	16:08
* w00t claps		16:08
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Stskeeps	what i always wanted for almost half a year now	16:08
Jaffa	Stskeeps: Congratulations!	16:08
wazd	Stskeeps: they've made up fake position for you? :D	16:09
Jaffa	Stskeeps: Glad it got started :)	16:09
Corsac	Stskeeps: congrats :)	16:09
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Let me create an email alias for you.	16:09
wazd	Stskeeps: congrats :)	16:09
_\|Nix\|_	Dammit! I wanted to turn on voice/video for Pidgin, but that'd only work in FM, because libfarsight is only in FM. Is there a way to depend on a package, but only if it's available? I don't want to have a different control file for FM than I have for Diablo and Chinook.	16:09
fiferboy	lardman: ping?	16:09
Corsac	_\|Nix\|_: no	16:10
mgedmin	hm, does the app manager pay attention to the Recommends: field?	16:10
Stskeeps	wazd: i have a role described so not entirely fake ;)	16:10
Corsac	well, you could depend on libfarsight-dev \|, but I'm not sure it's a good idea	16:10
_\|Nix\|_	Corsac: Great ... I'm starting to think about running fakeroot apt-get install ... from debian/rules ...	16:10
Corsac	don't ever think about that	16:10
mgedmin	if not, then something can be hacked with Depends: your-optional_library \| some-package-that-is-only-in-diablo \| some-package-that-is-only-in-mistral	16:11
_\|Nix\|_	Corsac: Well how else can I have one package for all these distros?	16:11
lopz	hi ;)	16:11
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_\|Nix\|_	mgedmin: But I don't want some-package-that-is-only-in-diable-that-pidgin-doesnt-normally-need.	16:12
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mgedmin	_\|Nix\|_: I was thinking about some system-preinstalled package	16:12
_\|Nix\|_	mgedmin: But, come to think of it, uploading a package to chinook extras devel called chinook, and one to diablo extras-devel called diablo would be nice.	16:13
_\|Nix\|_	Then, you could say libfarsight0.10-dev	16:13
_\|Nix\|_	Then, you could say libfarsight0.10-dev \| diablo \| chinook	16:13
_\|Nix\|_	... and you could do the same for any other package that is not available in all distros.	16:13
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mgedmin	hm	16:16
mgedmin	after some thought I'm thinking it's not a very good idea	16:16
mgedmin	leads to hacks	16:16
mgedmin	it's better to test for functionality rather than software version	16:17
mgedmin	if you always need libfarsight, depend on it	16:17
mgedmin	if you don't need it but want to have it, use recommends:	16:17
mgedmin	if it's already provided by some system package with a different name, use conditional depends	16:17
_\|Nix\|_	mgedmin: Yeah, but there's no such thing as Build-Recommends:, is there?	16:18
mgedmin	aahm okay	16:18
mgedmin	hm	16:18
_\|Nix\|_	... and the problem is the bot will not pull it if I don't depend on it.	16:18
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mgedmin	maintaining two different source packages is the only clean solution I can think of	16:18
_\|Nix\|_	Of course.	16:19
_\|Nix\|_	That always kills me.	16:19
mgedmin	with modern DVCSes that ought to be easy, no?	16:19
_\|Nix\|_	sigh ... I guess ... I'm about ready to do that.	16:20
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_\|Nix\|_	But for now I'll think I'll turn voice/video back off. Better to have Pidgin in FM without V/V and work on it later, than not have Pidgin in FM.	16:20
javispedro	congrats Stskeeps :)	16:20
mgedmin	yep	16:21
_\|Nix\|_	Although it'll probably fail on Chinook and Diablo and succeed on FM as it is now.	16:21
mgedmin	perfect is enemy of the best	16:21
mgedmin	um	16:21
Stskeeps	javispedro: ta	16:21
mgedmin	s/the best/good/	16:21
_\|Nix\|_	So Pidgin will have V/V in FM ... unless something else is broken.	16:21
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lardman	re	16:23
X-Fade	mikkov__: I think that manually pushing python-glade2 will help	16:23
lardman	Stskeeps: congrats btw	16:23
fiferboy	lardman: Did you get your source to compile?	16:27
lardman	yes thanks	16:27
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lardman	not checked whether it runs yet	16:27
RST38h	Stskeeps: way to go =	16:28
f00bar80	i found a lot of prices for the linux based 3G unlocked N900 , i can't get neither know a fixed price , any comment ?	16:28
RST38h	f00: not yet released, you are being swindled	16:29
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lardman	fiferboy: segfault of course ;)	16:29
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: where are you?	16:30
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: and what do you mean by a fixed price?	16:30
fiferboy	lardman: Any new code should segfault at least once	16:30
fiferboy	It is like a right of passage	16:30
lardman	of course :)	16:30
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lardman	am back at work now, so will have to wait 'till this evening for me to fix the problem	16:31
fiferboy	I like to write code that crashes only for qwerty12	16:31
f00bar80	SpeedEvil, i want to nkow how much is it cause on froogle.com , i found a lot of prices starting from $300 at the time i heared that it'll not be tooo expansive	16:31
javispedro	heh.	16:31
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RST38h	javis: NOT just on tmo...	16:31
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Talking of which, did you update personal-photo-frame? :p	16:32
lardman	fiferboy: how do you manage that? Use tracked to check for lots of jpegs and avis in hidden dirs with names matching pron\|porn\|xxx ?	16:32
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: Fixing it now :)	16:32
javispedro	lardman: IKEA catalogs...	16:32
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: Ignore - largely - froogle and small vendors.	16:32
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: It's going to be >$300, by quite a margin	16:32
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Thanks	16:32
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f00bar80	SpeedEvil, and here i found it $699 http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367	16:32
fiferboy	lardman: lol	16:32
lardman	javispedro: do IKEA catalogues contain naked ladies these days?	16:32
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: that's the nokia price - some places have it at a relatively small discount.	16:33
javispedro	f00bar80: dunno where you read "cheap", but I wouldn't call the N900 cheap at all (not entering any qualite/price discussion)	16:33
f00bar80	SpeedEvil, like ?	16:33
f00bar80	SpeedEvil, so those who sell it for $300 are fake ?	16:33
X-Fade	f00bar80: Unless sold with a subscription, yes.	16:34
javispedro	lardman: well, dunno. But at least I know qwerty has a lot of them, efficiently downloaded through a P2P protocol :)	16:34
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: Given that the phone has not shipped at all, from anyone, I would hold off on ordering from anyone offering it at $300.	16:34
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SpeedEvil	f00bar80: It's not going to be half price any time soon at any legit store that does not subsidise it.	16:34
lardman	javispedro: interesting......	16:34
SpeedEvil	(barring one-off special offers)	16:34
javispedro	there are a few ebayers selling at €400. I wouldn't buy from them, but I've seen several guys in the fansites already opening their wallets	16:35
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f00bar80	SpeedEvil, what could be safe stores other than nokia ?	16:35
lardman	local phone shop?	16:36
lcuk	$300 for a phone, $50 for battery, $50 for charger, $200 for headphones. and whats that sir, you want a box and instruction manual with that?	16:36
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: large stores. Amazon - direct - not through small merchants listing on amazon.	16:36
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SpeedEvil	f00bar80: places you see on every high-street.	16:36
javispedro	$200 for headphones? they better have gold plated contacts then.	16:36
lardman	javispedro: and low oxygen copper cable too! ;)	16:36
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lcuk	no javis, gold is for l00sers, these are platinum tipped. only the best for you	16:36
RST38h	and the pads made of the purest argentinian guano	16:36
javispedro	lol	16:37
derf	$200 is not unheard of for headphones.	16:37
lardman	from a golden goose?	16:37
javispedro	that's a MONSTER headphone (pun intended)	16:37
SpeedEvil	http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/28/google-redefines-car-gps-navigation-google-maps-navigation-android/ hmm.	16:37
RST38h	lardman: from the freaking chupacabra	16:37
SpeedEvil	That is quite awesome.	16:37
lardman	:)	16:37
derf	All those poor people with golden ears need headphones that expensive.	16:37
SpeedEvil	There are other reasons	16:37
RST38h	derf: that is not golden ears, by purely mental problems	16:38
SpeedEvil	comfort for long-term wear, light weight, sound isolation	16:38
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RST38h	derf: especially considering that a lot of them play mp3 s over that =0	16:38
X-Fade	SpeedEvil: Hmm I'm pretty sure I've seen a tomtom patent on that? :)	16:38
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SpeedEvil	X-Fade: I think google have smart lawyers.	16:38
derf	RST38h: I work with audio codec developers.	16:38
derf	There really _are_ people who can hear like that.	16:38
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lardman	SpeedEvil: looks very cool	16:38
mikkov__	X-Fade: yes, promoting python-glade2 will help. Automatic promotion should check after updating packages that all other packages are still installable after the update to make it "fool proof".	16:39
derf	It seems like more of a curse than a blessing.	16:39
lardman	SpeedEvil: so we have some coding to do then :)	16:39
SpeedEvil	lardman: and some mapping.	16:39
RST38h	Google adds free turn-by-turn navigation, car dock UI to Android 2.0	16:39
X-Fade	mikkov__: Yeah, something is not quite right in the promotion check. I'm trying to find what ;)	16:39
X-Fade	mikkov__: But that is quite complicated.	16:39
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RST38h	derf: probably much fewer of them than "audiophiles"	16:40
lardman	SpeedEvil: ah, we can scrape that ;)	16:40
mikkov__	X-Fade: yes it is ;)	16:40
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derf	RST38h: Yeah, but somebody's gotta subsidize the development :).	16:40
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RST38h	derf: hehe 8)	16:40
mikkov__	X-Fade: but I don't understand why python packages have hard version depencies	16:40
X-Fade	mikkov__: They're in the same source package.	16:40
X-Fade	mikkov__: but we should ask lizardo.	16:41
mikkov__	X-Fade: updating libraries by only trusting autopromoter to do handle it isn't very good practice imho	16:42
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f00bar80	SpeedEvil, can you help me find a store for an unlocked one, which you better advice it for me ?	16:43
X-Fade	mikkov__: No, but usually we don't see this problem.	16:43
derf	RST38h: Monty is really rather scary. He'll sit down for a double-blind test at "transparent" bitrates and not only tell you what codec was used for each sample, but also what filtering was used on the supposed "original" source.	16:43
X-Fade	mikkov__: Python mess in sdk triggers this issue.	16:43
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: Any large online or retail store. Avoid small retailers.	16:43
wazd	I wonder if Google will release any of their software on Maemo	16:43
SpeedEvil	wazd: unlikely - if they want to push the android platform	16:44
f00bar80	SpeedEvil, help me please find one	16:44
SpeedEvil	Especially given that the maps app is not redistributable legally	16:44
wazd	SpeedEvil: well, they are releasing it on the iPhone :)	16:44
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lardman	derf: and get it right I presume?	16:44
derf	lardman: Right.	16:44
lardman	rather impressive	16:44
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: the nokia store, or amazon - direct sales.	16:44
derf	Well, it's harder to verify the comments about the original source.	16:45
f00bar80	SpeedEvil, give me a link	16:45
lardman	f00bar80: where are you based?	16:45
f00bar80	lardman, egypt	16:45
lardman	ah, ok, no deals on phone + tariff there then?	16:45
f00bar80	lardman, thin n900 not there yet and if it's , it'll be a lot expensive	16:46
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: I have no idea of where you'd go about buying a phone in egypt.	16:46
SpeedEvil	f00bar80: n900 is not available anywhere yet	16:46
lardman	f00bar80: not here yet either	16:46
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lardman	but some of the subsidised deals make it pretty cheap, as you do need a data contract anyway	16:47
lardman	when it's released of course	16:47
f00bar80	then what about this http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/dp/B002OB49SW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1256741146&sr=8-3-fkmr0	16:47
lardman	"This item has not yet been released."	16:48
f00bar80	lardman, when it should be ? next saturday/sunday ?	16:48
lcuk	when the announcement happens	16:48
lardman	I think people were talking about mid Nov on the forums#	16:48
lcuk	its not released	16:48
SpeedEvil	lardman: If it all works out for me, I'll have paid 17/mo for it over 18 months. (cashback/vouchers/...)	16:49
lardman	but who knows?	16:49
SpeedEvil	Though that's only 1G/mo data - which I think I can manage	16:49
lardman	SpeedEvil: which deal are you going for?	16:49
lardman	I get 500MB/month atm, and really only use 10Mb/day if I'm away from work/home and most of the time I have wifi anyway	16:49
RST38h	derf: Urgh	16:49
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SpeedEvil	lardman: the voucher abuse one, and the subsidised cashback deal for the contract where you have to mail in stuff	16:50
RST38h	derf: Especially considering that I can't even say if there is some periodic noise in my audio, it all sounds the same	16:50
lardman	SpeedEvil: ok	16:50
derf	RST38h: I know. My ears are complete crap.	16:50
derf	I can hear the difference between $5 headphones and $80 headphones, but after that they all sounds the same.	16:51
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RST38h	more or less the same here	16:53
RST38h	well, I do hear the difference between mp3 and lossless	16:54
RST38h	but that is kinda easy to spot	16:54
derf	Yes, mp3 is not transparent at any bitrate.	16:54
derf	But even there I had to be trained.	16:55
derf	I used to think 22 kHz 96 kbps mp3s sounded just fine.	16:55
derf	Though part of that was just having really awful speakers at the time.	16:56
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RST38h	derf: Check percussion, it always suffers first	16:59
derf	I listen to mostly classical music... you can go a long time between cymbol crashes.	17:00
RST38h	vocal and melodic instruments don't need much bandwidth	17:00
RST38h	yea, classical you can even listen to over HSP =)	17:00
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RST38h	Meanwhile: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/10/500x_nnprev.jpg	17:00
RST38h	;)	17:01
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derf	RST38h: Vocal I'll agree with (_if_ your codec is designed for it).	17:01
derf	But I had to be disabused of the notion that simple melodies have compact frequency domain representations.	17:01
derf	And/or any real period to them at all.	17:02
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RST38h	derf: depends on the instruments not on the score	17:03
derf	RST38h: Yes, that's what I mean.	17:03
RST38h	strings generally generate nice clean collections of sine functions, so they do not need the bandwidth	17:04
derf	That is not true.	17:04
RST38h	modern electric stuff is a bitch though	17:04
RST38h	derf: not completely true, you mean	17:04
derf	Basically, _nothing_ over 8kHz is periodic.	17:04
RST38h	hmmm	17:04
derf	RST38h: It's not true enough to be useful.	17:04
RST38h	Is there some physical reason for that btw?	17:05
derf	I don't know.	17:05
derf	It's merely an empirical observation.	17:05
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derf	From having actually built an audio codec with a pitch predictor.	17:06
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SpeedEvil	predictor?	17:06
SpeedEvil	autotune?	17:06
SpeedEvil	:)	17:06
RST38h	Something must be changing at 8kHz...	17:06
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RST38h	Weird, AbiWord set up a collaborative editing site	17:10
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AndrewFBlack	konttori_, Ping	17:11
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mgedmin	heh, lwn.net shows me a Nokia N900 add from amazon	17:12
RST38h	Ah, Google OS is also ut and it is a Linux with Gnome, Chrome and OpenOffice.	17:13
* RST38h feels like "who cares"		17:14
VDVsx	possible time for the extras-testing marathon: 2pm - 7pm (UTC)	17:14
VDVsx	Interested parties: What do you think ?	17:14
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derf	RST38h: Because OMG Google!	17:14
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RST38h	derf: Google is not pink, has got no fur and does not look like a cuddly rabbit	17:15
RST38h	derf: so what the hell? =)	17:15
timeless_mbp	_\|Nix\|_: you around? can you swing by F5?	17:15
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lardman	interesting, Google mapmaker doing similar thing to OSM	17:17
X-Fade	I wish they would just join OSM...	17:18
javispedro	"But unlike most navigation systems, Google Maps Navigation was built from the ground up to take advantage of your phone's Internet connection"	17:18
javispedro	sigh	17:18
RST38h	yea right	17:18
RST38h	javis: Let me guess, Google invented the Internet?	17:19
lardman	so only use it when you're in your home country	17:19
javispedro	Google invented pissing you	17:19
lardman	on?	17:19
lardman	or off?	17:19
RST38h	javis: No. IBM did.	17:19
javispedro	:)	17:19
derf	RST38h: Al Gore is a "senior advisor".	17:19
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RST38h	"Pissing off. Pissing on." - good marketing slogan =)	17:19
RST38h	derf: orly? :)	17:20
javispedro	it seems all those companies are competing to see which one can make the WORSE navigation software.	17:20
RST38h	lardman: BTW, N900 gps apparently can't get a lock when you have no connectivity (bug tracker filed)	17:20
RST38h	lardman: So, Google is not alone there	17:20
RST38h	javis: Google Maps are actually decent	17:21
hrw	RST38h: suxx	17:21
nnod_	does anyone know if it is possible to change the "slide to unlock" background on the n900? i assume one can edit the theme, but other than that...?	17:21
lardman	RST38h: yes	17:21
javispedro	but I want _offline_ vector maps :(	17:21
lardman	RST38h: well supposedly it can get a lock, but you have to wait 5min or so	17:22
hrw	javispedro: you can upload them to n900 for ovi maps	17:22
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RST38h	javis: Best bet would be eCoach with OSM map renderer	17:22
hrw	lardman: 5 minutes and stay in one position for that time?	17:22
javispedro	I could die waiting for OSM maps quality to improve	17:22
RST38h	lardman: Waited for hours at a time in Amsterdam, no doughnut	17:22
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mgedmin	javispedro: or you could get off the couch and _work on improving OSM maps_	17:22
lardman	javispedro: there's an osm rendered being worked on for GSoC	17:22
pupnik	fix em where you go	17:22
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lardman	s/rendered/renderer	17:22
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javispedro	Even If I would spent my lifetime filling map data by hand it would still be useless. I spent two years just to map the village where I was born..	17:25
lardman	RST38h: yeah, is crappy though	17:25
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lardman	RST38h: I did try to ask how the almanac/ephemeris data was handled and cached, and was told that it should be cached ok.	17:25
lardman	RST38h: might be worth trying to get a lock with a connection, then immediately after get one without - it should still work, but I have a feeling it won't	17:26
javispedro	the only I regret is using Garmin map data format. An open format would've been welcomed.	17:26
SpeedEvil	javispedro: of what population?	17:26
javispedro	SpeedEvil: 2000	17:26
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wazd	Google Navigation is the first app to use Anti-Aliasing for maps	17:26
X-Fade	Does maps even have a satellite view?	17:26
lardman	javispedro: who's using Garmin format?	17:27
javispedro	me.	17:27
lardman	X-Fade: Ovi? yes	17:27
SpeedEvil	javispedro: that's not very fast - were you mapping _everything_ ?	17:27
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X-Fade	wazd: Maps does that too?	17:27
RST38h	lardman: when you get off an airplane in some country you have not been to, the connection is out of the question	17:27
wazd	X-Fade: oh?	17:27
javispedro	SpeedEvil: yes. for a large irregular area, including rural ways.	17:28
RST38h	waz: hmm...but why is it important?	17:28
lardman	RST38h: yeah, in which case would be nice to dowload alamanc + ephemeris predictions for offline use	17:28
SpeedEvil	javispedro: ah - rural areas are a problem if you want all the field boundaries and stuff	17:28
wazd	RST38h: why not? :P)	17:29
wazd	RST38h: it looks better :)	17:29
RST38h	lardman: and have a diablo-style manual location selector	17:29
RST38h	wazd: doesn't the mobile screen offer too few pixels for it though?	17:29
lardman	RST38h: yeah	17:29
javispedro	actually, I don't regret using Garmin. It was the best choice back then (the only one useful at all).	17:30
javispedro	s/Garmin/Garmin format	17:30
SpeedEvil	javispedro: checked it out on OSM recently?	17:30
RST38h	OSM is weird btw	17:30
SpeedEvil	RST38h: in many ways, yes.	17:30
RST38h	There is some site showing bicycling maps based on OSM	17:30
RST38h	And that site seems to show way more data than OSM proper	17:30
SpeedEvil	RST38h: If you mean the contours, that's a seperate source	17:31
SpeedEvil	not OSM, NASA	17:31
RST38h	javis: Check your location here: http://www.opencyclemap.org/	17:31
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javispedro	currently, OSM data in Spain is subpar (not complaining to anybody, I know how the bazaar model works)	17:32
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wazd	anyone can advise me good car stereo? :)	17:32
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: Fixed the crash	17:32
fiferboy	Now to add the filter, and try to remember the suggestion you made yesterday	17:32
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javispedro	an interesting thing would be to reuse at least some of the national cartography	17:35
mgedmin	discovery: when using the n900 in portrait mode, the meaning of volume +/- keys is reversed	17:35
RST38h	mgedmin: you never knew?	17:35
wazd	RST38h: maybe, but it's the same stuff as dithering". It can help on small screens but it's not pure 18 bit :)	17:35
javispedro	it's free for non-commercial use here, and way better for most national roads than OSM.	17:35
RST38h	mgedmin; corollary: phone autorotate mode is unusable	17:36
mgedmin	is surprising	17:36
mgedmin	the autorotation delay means it's not very usable	17:36
mgedmin	is irritating	17:36
RST38h	that is a different feature	17:36
RST38h	and yes, it is barely usable too	17:36
RST38h	the delay is the first thing an unsuspecting user find out	17:37
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SpeedEvil	javispedro: you can't use that in OSM	17:39
SpeedEvil	javispedro: OSM is not non-comercial	17:39
SpeedEvil	javispedro: the non-commercial element actually makes your maps a _LOT_ less useful.	17:39
javispedro	not for me of course. But I can see the point.	17:39
SpeedEvil	For example - any small buisness can't use that map for 'how to get to us' on their website, you can't print out a tourist map of your area, with attractions marked, ...	17:40
javispedro	opencyclemap has elevation lines :P	17:41
SpeedEvil	javispedro: yes - that's NASA data	17:42
SpeedEvil	javispedro: from an old shuttle mission.	17:42
javispedro	a. Ic. public domain then.	17:42
lardman	is that in osm?	17:42
RST38h	apparently not	17:42
SpeedEvil	lardman: no - it's a dataset that's displayed over OSM - it's not in OSM as such	17:42
lardman	that map is really good	17:42
SpeedEvil	(the contours)	17:42
lardman	certainly for round here	17:42
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SpeedEvil	lardman: Where ar eyou again - longo?	17:43
SpeedEvil	longed	17:43
SpeedEvil	london	17:43
RST38h	lundun?	17:43
lardman	bath, uk	17:43
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SpeedEvil	ah	17:43
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lardman	even has some pubs marked on it :)	17:44
SpeedEvil	Large towns in england are quite well mapped - in general	17:44
lardman	Northampton....?	17:44
SpeedEvil	dunno - only been to england once.	17:44
SpeedEvil	twice even.	17:45
* RST38h always visits British airports =)		17:45
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lardman	http://osm.org/go/eu4y4SkV-	17:46
solarion	I slept on the floor of Terminal 5; does that count?	17:46
lardman	yuck	17:47
lardman	not sure I'd want to go near the floor in Heathrow	17:47
RST38h	of course	17:47
lardman	I have slept on the floor in Singapore mind you	17:47
RST38h	Hmm...	17:47
solarion	it was the floor inside or outside	17:48
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lardman	inside; outside I'd probably be fined for littering ;)	17:49
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mgedmin	littering or loitering?	17:50
lardman	both!	17:51
solarion	mgedmin: I suspect the wording was intentional	17:51
lardman	I understand they have Draconian punishments for dropping chewing gum, so random sleeping bodies would probably not be looked on kindly	17:51
solarion	there were plenty there	17:52
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javispedro	hum... countries without chewing gums all over the floor. nice.	17:53
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Lupu	What if you drop a chewing gum while sleeping?	17:55
lardman	well exactly, that's why you'd get imprisoned straight away, on the off chance.....	17:56
lardman	;)	17:56
* ccooke restarts watches his n900 boot for the third time today		17:58
n00b	ccooke: why	17:58
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ccooke	n00b: Well, the first time was a random reboot - the first in two weeks. The second time I restarted deliberately because everything became horribly slow, probably relating to a (failing) attempt to configure exchange syncing to gmail.	18:00
mgedmin	hmm, reminds me of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5712	18:00
ccooke	And the third time because after two hours of music, an hour of note taking, two reboots and some web browsing, the battery decided to die :-)	18:00
mgedmin	random reboots + everything becoming horribly slow	18:00
RST38h	Arnie has got a sense of humor: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/28/acrostic_arnie/	18:00
mgedmin	although mine happen only when I use ad-hoc wifi and ssh socks proxy	18:00
ccooke	mgedmin: I checked the RAM, not the same problem	18:00
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ccooke	It's not really enough to bugreport yet, but I'll be trawling to see if I can confirm or add to an existing report in a bit	18:01
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VDVsx	humm, a Twitt in Planet Maemo, awesome, lol	18:01
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X-Fade	VDVsx: Awesom isn't it? :)	18:05
GeneralAntilles	Something like that, anyway.	18:06
VDVsx	X-Fade, lol, well depends on the number of twits that will appear there (/me is afraid )	18:07
X-Fade	VDVsx: These are selected by the Firefox mobile team.	18:07
VDVsx	ah ok, so only one provider :P	18:08
X-Fade	VDVsx: Yeah, should not be too bad.	18:09
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VDVsx	X-Fade, btw, did you got any luck with the /opt check for packages.maemo.org	18:14
X-Fade	What website is that?	18:14
X-Fade	;)	18:15
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wazd	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040BbTRLKdM	18:18
wazd	Crazy hackers, they even use hacked display port to demo Plasma :D	18:18
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javispedro	X-Fade: if it was not suggest before, I suggest packages.maemo.org to redirect (or be the actual place for) maemo.org/packages	18:25
javispedro	debian synergy, you know.	18:25
* Jaffa has suggested this before - it's also easier to type ;-)		18:25
X-Fade	javispedro: yeah, some day...	18:25
Jaffa	X-Fade: Isn't redirect a 5s job? [may be misremebering from when you've set them up before]	18:26
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X-Fade	Jaffa: No, because I would then also need a ssl cert etc.	18:26
javispedro	no worries. even though it would be nice to allow also packages.maemo.org/<packagename> redirection to search results page :)	18:26
clmntch	hello	18:26
X-Fade	Otherwise I will get complaints about https giving wrong certs etc ;)	18:26
javispedro	(like debian again)	18:26
mgedmin	otoh I'd expect packages.maemo.org to have the same look & feel as packages.debian.org	18:27
mgedmin	and provide the same features, e.g. search by file	18:28
javispedro	oh, current maemo interface is good :)	18:28
mgedmin	yes, it is	18:28
mgedmin	styling is a bit broken in chromium	18:28
X-Fade	I first want the core to work as expected and then work on the making it friendly part ;)	18:28
javispedro	timeless: also, mxr indexing fremantle sdk?	18:29
Jaffa	X-Fade: Can't you just set http://packages.maemo.org/ to redirect and ignore the SSL cert issues? (And haven't we got a wildcard SSL cert by now?)	18:29
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X-Fade	Jaffa: No, that would jus give me bug reports etc etc.	18:29
mgedmin	_http_://packages.maemo.org has no SSL cert issues!	18:29
X-Fade	Jaffa: Not doing that again ;)	18:29
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X-Fade	mgedmin: yeah, but the cluster responds on https too.	18:30
Jaffa	X-Fade: Trouble is, people are pushing people into being QA testers now so that there's lots of s/w in Extras for the N900 launch [not saying packages.maemo.org is that bad]	18:30
Jaffa	X-Fade: Oh, and you can't have separate configs for HTTP & HTTPS? Bah.	18:30
Jaffa	Wildcard SSL FTW	18:30
* Jaffa goes to find his plane.		18:30
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X-Fade	Jaffa: Well, loadbalancer etc.. complicated issue. And we're about to move away from this setup anyway.	18:30
Jaffa	X-Fade: What's the timescale?	18:31
X-Fade	Work starts in November	18:31
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Jaffa	Right	18:31
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X-Fade	So things will get more complicated for a while while things are running in parallel ;)	18:32
X-Fade	But if the move has been done, doing this should not be a big deal	18:32
GeneralAntilles	penguinbait, ping?	18:32
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Anidel	congrats Stskeeps!	18:34
AlienPenguin	hello ppl, i am new at maemo devel, i just downloaded the virtualmachine containing the sdk, so i followed the instructions on the website and ran xephyr and the script af-sb-init.sh start from the scratchbox environment, but i get lots of warnings and errors.	18:34
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penguinbait	?	18:35
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Texrat	here I is	18:35
Xisdibik	There you are	18:36
GeneralAntilles	penguinbait, can you /quote nickserv register <password> ?	18:36
* Texrat hears sound of trumpets blaring		18:36
GeneralAntilles	Same for you, Texrat.	18:36
Texrat	when you say <password>, I insert one?	18:36
Xisdibik	yes	18:36
Texrat	I'm such a newb at this	18:36
lardman	my word, hello Texrat	18:36
Texrat	is it visible to everyone when I do so?	18:36
GeneralAntilles	Texrat, yes.	18:36
Texrat	hey Lardy	18:36
GeneralAntilles	Texrat, not as long as you put /quote in front of it.	18:37
Texrat	gotvhsa	18:37
Texrat	...	18:37
GeneralAntilles	You can also open a new message window to nickserv if that makes you feel better.	18:37
Xisdibik	Texrat, it wont be visible to anyone except nickserv which is fine as long as you send it how he did	18:37
Texrat	&%%$&%&^	18:37
lardman	make sure there's no spaces before the /	18:37
penguinbait	k	18:37
Anidel	it's a private chat between you and nickserv	18:37
GeneralAntilles	Anybody got a quick line to qole?	18:37
Texrat	oops	18:38
Texrat	wtf...	18:38
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penguinbait	penguinbait has now been verified	18:38
vladovg	hi	18:38
Texrat	I guess the <> isn't included :D	18:38
Anidel	nope :)	18:38
GeneralAntilles	penguinbait, now you can set up your client to identify you to the server when you connect.	18:38
Texrat	I blame senility	18:38
vladovg	angain the same problem	18:38
GeneralAntilles	penguinbait, that way nobody can steal your nick.	18:38
GeneralAntilles	/quote nickserv identify <password>	18:38
vladovg	attery indicator	18:38
Texrat	then I'll show up in lower case again and drive jaffa nuts	18:39
Anidel	they can still do.. but for a minute.. until nickserv kicks them off	18:39
vladovg	dont move wen charging	18:39
vladovg	:(	18:39
pupnik	can i probe voltage directly on battery with a multimeter to detect charge?	18:39
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vladovg	hawe dis problem mont ago	18:39
GeneralAntilles	vladovg, sometimes the icon cache gets corrupted.	18:39
pupnik	if so, what voltage should i see on n900 batt	18:39
GeneralAntilles	vladovg, it's a cosmetic issue that should be fixable with a restart.	18:39
lardman	prob not pupnik	18:39
vladovg	reflashed and now again	18:39
Xisdibik	its ok Texrat i blame Salinity	18:39
SpeedEvil	pupnik: es	18:39
qwerty12_N810	vladovg: become root, and run gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor	18:39
Anidel	I need to find my old scripts for ircII, I live the terminal client much more than XChat	18:39
Texrat	shit it ain't working for me, wtf	18:39
qwerty12_N810	vladovg: and then reboot	18:39
GeneralAntilles	Texrat, error of some sort?	18:40
SpeedEvil	pupnik: 4.2= fully charged, 3 = empty totally	18:40
pupnik	lardman: might be confounded by battery circuitry?	18:40
pupnik	ah ty SpeedEvil	18:40
lardman	pupnik: the voltage should be reasonably independent of charge state until it gets to the end	18:40
SpeedEvil	pupnik: ~linear between 4.1V and 3.5V for 80 and 20%	18:40
lardman	SpeedEvil: is it, oh right	18:40
pupnik	right so i should be able to tell a really dead battery - big thanks	18:41
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Texrat	I r verified!	18:43
vladovg	qwerty12_N810	18:43
vladovg	thacs	18:43
qwerty12_N810	Texrat: Good. Now I can kill you	18:43
vladovg	work greath	18:43
vladovg	:)	18:43
qwerty12_N810	Cool :)	18:44
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Anidel	/kill cool. so cool	18:44
vladovg	:)	18:44
javispedro	BAN HIM! :)	18:44
Texrat	just try it qerty :p	18:44
Texrat	I fear no fool	18:44
qwerty12_N810	Texrat: I have rat traps, and rat poison and... cheese	18:44
Texrat	ooo	18:44
Texrat	cheeeese...	18:44
Texrat	you have my full attention	18:44
Xisdibik	everyone knows that stuff doesnt work on texas rats	18:44
Texrat	although peanut butter is better	18:44
qwerty12_N810	Hehe	18:45
Texrat	I can only do this because my ^%$#&#!-ing boss is out today	18:45
Xisdibik	pssh	18:45
Texrat	man I need a new job	18:45
Xisdibik	thats a good thing not a bad thing Texrat	18:45
solarion	I want a new drug	18:45
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Xisdibik	u get paid to do nothing ;)	18:45
Xisdibik	solarion, nutmeg	18:45
solarion	One that won't make me sick	18:45
solarion	Or, as Weird Al said, I want a new duck.	18:46
Xisdibik	lol	18:46
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AlienPenguin	in my freemantle scratchbox (x86) the dir /usr/share/application/hildon-home is missing that is why the script af-sb-init.sh fails... is there something else i am supposed to install?	18:46
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javispedro	AlienPenguin: nokia-binaries and nokia-apps?	18:47
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AlienPenguin	javispedro, err... i supposed they were already installe din the virtual machine image	18:47
javispedro	did you accept a Nokia EULA to download the virtual machine?	18:48
AlienPenguin	javispedro, yes	18:48
Texrat	Xisdibik: what's a good thing?	18:48
javispedro	then dunno. try verifying it's actually installed.	18:48
AlienPenguin	should i use fakeroot before apt-get each time i use it in sbox?	18:49
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: 0.2-7 is in the autobuilder with your problems fixed	18:49
javispedro	yep. else some packages' scripts can fail.	18:49
qwerty12_N810	Thank you	18:49
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: No, thank you	18:49
AlienPenguin	javis it wants to upgrade a bunch of things actually! :)	18:49
javispedro	upgrade? did you got sdk beta 2?	18:50
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Xisdibik	Texrat, your boss not being there, so u have no work to do	18:50
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AlienPenguin	javispedro, dunno, as i said i am new at maemo, i just downloaded the ubuntu virtualmachine with the sdk installed, it was dated oct 2009 i thought it was the latest one	18:51
javispedro	so, Ovi Files is a 10 GiB file storage Web service... requiring a Windows app for both uploading and downloading.	18:51
jaska	hahaha	18:52
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Texrat	Xisdibik: that's not how it works	18:53
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Texrat	not in my role	18:53
Texrat	I am on lunch right now	18:54
javispedro	I see no Fremantle Final VM yet.	18:54
lardman	what do I need flag-wise to make bt work properly in gdb?	18:54
qwerty12_N810	lardman: iamnotlardman	18:54
lardman	qwerty12_N810: ah, so I shouldn't be using -notveryhelpfulqwerty then?	18:55
javispedro	lardman: -g -O0	18:55
lardman	thanks, will try that	18:55
lardman	does gcc default to optimisations other than -O0 by default?	18:56
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javispedro	lardman: it does not, but dpkg-buildpackage does	18:57
lardman	hmm, didn't change things, still moaning about frames being identical	18:57
javispedro	(it sets CFLAGS to -O2 iirc)	18:57
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lardman	I'm building by hand atm	18:57
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javispedro	hmm...	18:57
lardman	looks like I'm back to printfs	18:58
javispedro	maybe there's something really wrong. try setting a breakpoint somewhere before	18:58
kirma	thingie purchased in advance, sort of expecting N900 to need some extra charging: http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/akku.jpg	18:58
kirma	the chinese say it's 2600 mAh (of chinese kind, I bet), and it costs 10 euros with shipping (some cables included, although not the microusb kind)	18:59
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mgedmin	my perception of the usability of the phone thingy on the n900 is constantly decreasing	19:04
* Anidel nods to mgedmin		19:05
lardman	+1	19:05
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* kirma notes that he paid 22 cents for calls last month		19:06
Anidel	cool, flickr has been kind enough to teach me how to greet people in italian...	19:06
* GeneralAntilles 's usage is limited to sending and receiving calls and SMS.		19:06
SpeedEvil	kirma: You people person you.	19:06
* lardman paid nothing for calls, over and above his monthly subscription fee		19:06
javispedro	don't worry. it will all be very quick. the n900 will be released, someone will say iphone killer (again), there will be a big public backslash over some stupid issue, like not having mms, some people will cancel their orders, some fanboys will start looking at the next symbian phone, and hopefully Maemo will go back to Internet tablets. >:)	19:07
* mgedmin is usually under the mandatory "get XX minutes free" and so pays $0 for calls		19:07
mgedmin	and $lots for car parking, smses and, especially, data	19:07
kirma	the thing is that my phone contract doesn't have "free" anything	19:08
Anidel	javispedro: I actually wanted an Internet Tablet with a SIM slot for data. Nokia did a good move, for them, to put also GSM calls in it, but that meant smaller screen. :( so I got SIM data, but also smaller screen :/ fine...	19:08
Anidel	kirma; to make you happy, no contract has "free" anything ..	19:09
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lcuk	GeneralAntilles, im sure your post had more than that when i looked before my shower	19:09
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, what post?	19:09
lcuk	map one	19:09
ShadowJK	kirma, looks way too small to fit a 3.7V 2600mAh battery	19:09
kirma	anidel: just that the base price is like sixty cents per month... oh, I have unlimited data for 20 euros, but the calls cost from the first moment	19:09
kirma	and still, 22 cents in a month ;)	19:10
GeneralAntilles	lcuk, nope, that's it.	19:10
Anidel	:)	19:10
* lcuk is goin senile		19:10
lcuk	hiya Anidel	19:10
kirma	shadowjk: yes, I'm suspicious too	19:10
mgedmin	kirma: I pay a mandatory fixed charge that covers the "free" minutes	19:10
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ShadowJK	kirma, I guess you about 4 minutes of calls	19:10
Anidel	hey lcuk	19:10
mgedmin	well, my company pays	19:10
kirma	but it's cheap enough to just try.	19:10
lcuk	Texrat, are 2 senile people talking better or worse?	19:11
Anidel	worse of course	19:11
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lcuk	lol Anidel but how would they know	19:12
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lcuk	to them, they would be having a great time	19:12
GAN900	Andil+1	19:12
* GAN900 typo fail.		19:12
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Anidel	"they", "them"? but it's you and textrat	19:13
kirma	trying out the thing with E90 and this nokia usb-smallplug adapter. I get the feeling that voltage upconverter on the adapter eats most of the energy in the process ;)	19:13
kirma	have to try also with direct cable	19:13
ShadowJK	heh	19:14
ShadowJK	you've got two voltage converters there	19:14
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* Texrat slaps Anidel with a large trout		19:14
ShadowJK	one in your "battery" and one in the usb-smallplug adapter (if you're using the official nokia one)	19:14
* Anidel looks around looking for whoever just hit him.. mmmmmmm		19:14
ShadowJK	With luck the battery puts out 5.6 or something instead of 5, and would work with a direct cable	19:15
kirma	shadowjk: and one is unnecessary. at least some charging occurs with just a direct cable	19:15
kirma	yep	19:15
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kirma	I'm mostly trying to figure out the limits of the battery	19:15
* Anidel eats the trout		19:15
kirma	without actually starting precise experimentation	19:15
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ShadowJK	I have one of those 1xAA chargers.. it gives enough of a boost to my E75 for me to make it through a boring nightshift	19:16
Anidel	this reminds me of MUD games .. Circle MUD.. ahhh funny times	19:16
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qole	okay my nick is registered.	19:17
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ShadowJK	kirma, I've got two cheap external batteries too... Apart from the difference in battery and upconverter quality between the two "identical" batteries, the biggest issue on these cheapos seem to be the cables	19:18
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ShadowJK	unreliable cables and unreliable ports..	19:18
kirma	usb-a and miniusb-a on this one	19:19
GeneralAntilles	qole, thanks!	19:20
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kirma	shadowjk: just that one that I could assume to be even somewhat comparable with this one in local shop would be 30-50 euros, and this is 10	19:21
ShadowJK	yes	19:21
ShadowJK	I guess phillips is thee only thing you find in .fi	19:21
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ShadowJK	where did you buy it from btw?	19:22
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kirma	hmm, it recharged empty E90 in one hour with the converter. next, have to empty the battery and try again...	19:23
ShadowJK	that would be impressive even if it really was 2000mAh :-)	19:23
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kirma	one full recharge is enough for N900 I hope.	19:24
lardman	hmm, crashing once it enters gtk_main()	19:25
lardman	painful	19:26
fiferboy	lardman: Are you using gtk_init() or hildon_inti()?	19:26
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lardman	hildon_gtk_init	19:27
lardman	iirc	19:27
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lardman	yep	19:27
fiferboy	lardman: you have a link to the file?	19:28
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AFBN900	i thought problem with N900 filling up fast was fixed	19:35
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Stskeeps	if you add extras-devel i guess	19:36
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AFBN900	ones in devel are fixed or not	19:37
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_Pete_	How can I trikc n900 mediaplayer to seek medias from nfs-mounted dir?	19:43
_Pete_	now it only wants to play from mmcX	19:43
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qole	_Pete_, Make a playlist with full paths to your remote files, then load that into mediaplayer	19:45
lardman	fiferboy: sorry for the delay, Tescos man just turned up	19:46
fiferboy	lardman: No problem	19:46
lardman	http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/	19:46
fiferboy	Hi qole!	19:46
lardman	it's well printf'd :)	19:46
_Pete_	qole: how?	19:46
lardman	hey qole, I've got some great videos of you singing :)	19:46
fiferboy	qole: Me too!	19:47
fiferboy	lardman: Which file?	19:47
fiferboy	lardman: I've got some videos of you dancing :P	19:47
lardman	test-abook	19:47
qole	I would love to see them... but I would prefer that others did not (yet)	19:47
lardman	http://share.ovi.com/album/lardman.MaemoSummit2009 for the singing :)	19:48
lardman	oh, perhaps too late for that.... :)	19:48
qwerty12_N810	qole: You were saying?	19:48
qole	fiferboy: post the dancing videos!	19:49
lcuk	qole, open source media :P	19:49
_Pete_	qole: user~/.mafw-playlists ?	19:49
lardman	fiferboy: s/-/_ you know I have troubles with underscores ;)	19:49
lardman	qole: we were dancing too?!	19:49
lardman	:)	19:49
fiferboy	lardman: _you_ were dancing. qole and I stayed out of it	19:49
qole	I just made a textfile playlist in ~/MyDocs (forget which format, but .pls or something)	19:50
lcuk	qole, http://share.ovi.com/media/lardman.MaemoSummit2009/lardman.10028	19:50
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fiferboy	Oooh, I am singing too o_O	19:51
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qole	I wish someone had video of the Jaaksi interview :(	19:51
_Pete_	qole: how is .pls format?	19:51
lardman	the guy behind the bar probably was too in the beginning, before he tried to get rid of us	19:51
fiferboy	The guy in the other bar was hand whistling with us...	19:52
tekonivel	anyone remember those maemo UX-concept videos that circulated some time ago?	19:52
lardman	I thought we were making like Owls?	19:52
tekonivel	i haven't been able to find them since	19:52
lardman	Or was that for the wolf-whistle failures?	19:52
fiferboy	lardman: I have a good video of that. Everyone in the bar hand-whistling	19:53
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qole	lardman, fun videos, thanks.	19:54
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qole	i screwed up the words, oh well it was fun	19:55
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lardman	we were all pretty drunk by then, impressive we could still talk :) let alone sing	19:55
qole	lardman, i like how the camera starts to wiggle during Bohemian Rhapsody, you can tell the cameraman is headbanging too!	19:56
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Texrat	qole I want to go drinking with you again :D	19:57
lardman	oh yes :)	19:57
fiferboy	lardman: I like the N900 battery drain race :)	19:57
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lardman	ah is that what it was, wasn't quite sure	19:58
Texrat	battery drain race... rofl;	19:58
qole	fiferboy shaking his head and doing a facepalm as I do my Prince imitation	19:58
lardman	where is Samoff anyway, he should be here to receive some abuse	19:58
Texrat	agreed	19:58
fiferboy	qole: lol, I haven't watched that one yet	19:58
Texrat	I sent him a job listing but no response	19:58
Texrat	Nokia is looking for browser manager	19:59
Texrat	looks like he had the skills	19:59
lardman	bbiab, cooking time	19:59
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Texrat	yum	19:59
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fiferboy	qole: I look embarassed for you :)	19:59
qole	fiferboy, I was giving Canadians a bad name?	20:00
* Texrat wonders what Mrs Qole thinks of the legends		20:00
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fiferboy	That must have been it...	20:00
Texrat	no qole you gave Greeks a bad name	20:00
Texrat	that head dress...	20:00
Texrat	Adonis was spinning in his grave	20:00
Texrat	assuming	20:00
qole	Mrs. Qole has, not surprisingly, seen me do similar things before, even when not drinking...	20:01
Texrat	lol	20:01
Texrat	so has Mrs Texrat and it always comes out at holiday gatherings	20:01
qole	head dress?	20:01
Texrat	"remember when you got so drunk on vodka you hung off a balcony at a party?"	20:01
Texrat	yeah your flowers qole	20:02
fiferboy	I like Tim's funny walk toward the Dutch Road Sparker	20:02
Texrat	missed that	20:02
Texrat	video?	20:02
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fiferboy	Yep, lardman's last video	20:02
Texrat	awesome	20:02
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qole	The Skype flowers behind the ear was someone else's idea... Lbt maybe?	20:04
qole	as was the text, "I was using these to keep track of how many drinks I've had, but I ran out of ears."	20:05
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fiferboy	qole: Yeah, that was lbt who said that (my idea though ;)	20:06
fiferboy	Stskeeps had a flower in his beer, though	20:06
qole	Ah another great Canadian idea stolen without credit!	20:07
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qole	argh, secure wlan connection silently drops, web auth connection silently starts, no indication that I'm offline except the green circle starts flashing with an X	20:15
qole	Am	20:17
qole	am I online now?	20:17
VDVsx	qole, yes, lol	20:17
qole	whew	20:17
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GeneralAntilles	qole, /ping or ~ping. ;)	20:17
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Meizirkki	~ping	20:18
X-Fade	hello .. hello... is this thing on? :)	20:18
VDVsx	humm, we have OP's now :P	20:18
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, no.	20:18
qole	GeneralAntilles, thanks	20:18
Meizirkki	GeneralAntilles, infobot seems to be slow today :P	20:18
X-Fade	Hmm where did that come from..	20:18
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GeneralAntilles	Meizirkki, no, mostly dead.	20:18
* GeneralAntilles runs!		20:18
GeneralAntilles	Or wait, escalates!	20:19
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* GeneralAntilles postures.		20:19
X-Fade	ugh ;)	20:19
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qwerty12_N810	OP WAR	20:19
qole	the /ping command doesn't work	20:19
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GeneralAntilles	qole, what client?	20:19
fiferboy	~karma fiferboy	20:19
qole	~ping	20:19
GeneralAntilles	infobot's dead, so ~ping wont work either.	20:19
qole	N900 xchat	20:20
fiferboy	Oh no, I might have lost all the karma I accumulated!	20:20
Meizirkki	~lart infobot	20:20
GeneralAntilles	qole, it'll show up in the server tab.	20:20
qole	this thing has tabs??!? But, but, ragnar said...	20:20
GeneralAntilles	qole, volume rocker switches them. :P	20:20
_berto_	i can't understand what's the criteria used by the media player to decide whether to use cover.jpg as the album cover	20:21
* GeneralAntilles lost his belt somewhere in the ether.		20:21
qole	ah they are hiddenm buttons on the left, got it	20:21
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GeneralAntilles	qole, switch the tab location to the bottom.	20:22
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lardman	hmm, my N900 just randomly phoned my parents	20:22
lardman	I was holding it, waiting for the BT headset to get recognised, but no phone app in sight	20:22
qwerty12_N810	lardman: Its job is Connecting People, after all...	20:23
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lardman	qwerty12_N810: yeah, I guess so :)	20:23
qole	better than phoning Nigeria.	20:23
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lardman	true, but I tend to make those expensive calls from work ;)	20:23
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GeneralAntilles	qole, http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4053628588/	20:24
qole	lardman, your N900 probably realised that it had been a long time since you called your Mom.	20:24
GeneralAntilles	Some photos from FLS if anybody's interested. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjackowski/sets/72157622678025856/	20:24
qwerty12_N810	qole: Your SDK image rocks. I just produced a source package for something I've been working on, using the chroot...	20:24
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qwerty12_N810	qole: Mum	20:24
lardman	qole: yeah, didn't realise that was a feature :)	20:24
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AndrewFBlack	any gone else have xchat crash on n900 when you try and put channel tabs on bottom of window	20:25
qole	qwerty12_N810, no I'm not your Mum.	20:25
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GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, no. :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4053628588/	20:26
qwerty12_N810	qole: Grr, imagine quotation marks were around that	20:26
X-Fade	AndrewFBlack: I don't know if I mailed you, but your feed has been added ;)	20:26
AndrewFBlack	X-Fade, thanks	20:26
* GeneralAntilles wonders how the hell Hildon Desktop figure out which stuff to put in the top level of the applications menu.		20:27
GeneralAntilles	None of the fields I've tried in the .desktop files seems to work.	20:27
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GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, so, aside from the XChat crash, is it everything you dreamed of and more? ;)	20:28
AndrewFBlack	hmm xchat doesn't like my n900	20:28
qwerty12_N810	The latest build is buggy as fuck. Blame me.	20:28
* RST38h blames qwerty		20:29
AndrewFBlack	well everything is more then I dreamed of except I have filled my / partiion already accroding to it	20:29
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, lot of stuff not optified.	20:29
AndrewFBlack	its ok I'll leave tabs where they are for now	20:29
GeneralAntilles	Unfortunately large libraries are the biggest culprit.	20:29
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andre__	some threads in t.m.o are so ridiculous that i should get a fake account to comment as a private person based on common sense, instead of a bugmaster	20:30
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AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, keyboard is taking me some work to get used to	20:30
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qwerty12_N810	andre__: Make a new account in which you are rude and abusive as possible	20:30
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, yeah, took me a while too.	20:30
andre__	qwerty12_N810, yeah. in progress	20:30
qwerty12_N810	Brilliant!	20:30
GeneralAntilles	andre__, I'm inclined towards reporting them and getting lardman to lock 'em.	20:30
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AndrewFBlack	Anyone know why konttori_ doesn't have Green Theme Maker Theme in extras?	20:31
lardman	what's that?	20:31
qole	so xchat crashes when trying to change the font.	20:31
RST38h	andre: I suggest a more subtle approach	20:31
SpeedEvil	Andre: Alternatively, take the 'who will rid me of this meddlesome priest' approach. In that case, would we get karma?	20:31
* Stskeeps yawns		20:31
andre__	GeneralAntilles, well, "ridiculous". not "insulting" :) but of course I agree in general...	20:31
qole	stuck with monotype i guess :(	20:31
* lardman just skips the crap threads, perhaps he should pop his head in and threaten the wrath of lard?		20:32
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qwerty12_N810	lardman: I love it when you get all poetical	20:32
RST38h	We should drive lemmings to insanity by feeding them obviously ridiculous, fake information	20:32
AndrewFBlack	I got a big speech from att saying that unlocked phone are not the best and that my data might not work and blah blah blah	20:33
RST38h	N900 for e666, Maemo6 based on WinMo 7.0, etc	20:33
GeneralAntilles	lardman, ton of dupe threads.	20:33
GeneralAntilles	Need merging.	20:33
lardman	RST38h: the cliff option works for me	20:33
lardman	urgh	20:33
lardman	I don't know how to do that	20:33
lardman	reallyt	20:33
qwerty12_N810	read: "I don't wanna do it"	20:34
RST38h	AndrewFBlack: "I understand the risk. Please, let me use my unlocked phone and fuck off like... NOW."	20:34
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, when did they give you that?	20:34
lardman	qwerty12_N810: I'll just one touch clean and ban everyone in a thread I think is repetitious :)	20:34
qwerty12_N810	:D	20:34
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LinuxCode	AndrewFBlack, they seem quite eager to sell you a contract, obviously	20:34
LinuxCode	with a locked phone	20:34
LinuxCode	rofl	20:35
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, yesterday when I called in to drop my 30 a month iphone data and get 10 a month regular data plan	20:35
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, interesting.	20:35
AndrewFBlack	I could have just been the person I talked to not the company saying it really	20:36
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Oh good, you got a screenshot of me complaining aboot my IRC karma...	20:36
SpeedEvil	They have scripts for '_Everything_'.	20:37
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SpeedEvil	'Help - aliens stole my phone!' 'Did you ask if they need cellular service when on earth?'	20:37
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, you never know when you'll be on GeneralAntilles' photostream of shame. :P	20:37
fiferboy	:(	20:37
GeneralAntilles	Oh, lardman, that reminds me.	20:38
X-Fade	I feel the power pain already ;)	20:38
* VDVsx wonders about get a TMO troll account also :P		20:38
GeneralAntilles	When my mother got her new 3GS	20:38
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GeneralAntilles	we were testing out the voice control feature	20:38
GeneralAntilles	she was trying to get it to play/pause the music and it wasn't cooperating	20:38
GeneralAntilles	She muttered something about it being an asshole under her breath when it started playing Dave Matthews for the 3rd time and it called my sister's orthodontist (who really is an asshole).	20:39
GeneralAntilles	VDVsx, what, you don't have one already?	20:39
GeneralAntilles	They were all the rage back during the Talk transition.	20:40
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: My old flip phone had voice dial and I told it to "Call Erin"	20:40
VDVsx	GeneralAntilles, no :´´)	20:40
fiferboy	My phone asked me "Did you say 'Sex Dentist'?"	20:40
lardman	GeneralAntilles: lol	20:40
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AndrewFBlack	Dang I almost look like i know what I'm talking about http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjackowski/4050732057/	20:40
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, lol.	20:40
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, this is my favorite: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjackowski/4051478366/in/set-72157622678025856/	20:41
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* SpeedEvil passes AndrewFBlack a traffic cone to wear to avoid that problem.		20:41
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, I have no idea what 'mtalking about there	20:41
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GeneralAntilles	Oh, Stskeeps, ping?	20:42
fiferboy	The weird thing was, I was going to call my sex dentist AFTER I called my wife...	20:42
fiferboy	That is going to end up on GeneralAntilles photostream of shame, isn't it? :(	20:43
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, no, I'm just emailing this one to your in-laws. :P	20:44
AndrewFBlack	I'm going to build my hello kitty theme tonight for the 3 15 year old girls that will buy the N900	20:44
GeneralAntilles	HELL YES!	20:44
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GeneralAntilles	wazd!	20:45
qole	Sex Dentist: giving "vagina dentata" new meaning.	20:45
fiferboy	qole: Tell them it is a common Canadian occupation...	20:45
lardman	AndrewFBlack: slightly worried about the timing of your 15 year old girls statement there	20:45
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, btw my tablet came in a bag also no nice box to open	20:45
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GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, too bad.	20:46
qole	heh, wikipedia has an entry for that...	20:46
* timeless_mbp goes fishing for testers		20:46
fiferboy	Does the iPhone have an app for that?	20:46
AndrewFBlack	lardman lol sex denist is not realated to 15 year old girls	20:46
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AndrewFBlack	is it just me or does tmo look better on n900 then on n810	20:47
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lardman	must be my mind then	20:47
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konttori_	AndrewFBlack: what green theme maker?	20:49
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jubileumi	Hi!	20:49
AndrewFBlack	konttori_, template that comes with theme maker	20:49
jubileumi	How can I make a shortcut on maemo 5 desktop that links to shell script?	20:50
konttori_	well, that's not green	20:50
AndrewFBlack	what color is it	20:50
konttori_	omFG? did I store that png with the overlay from the psd?	20:50
fiferboy	jubileumi: Right now you would have to make a .desktop file for it in /usr/share/applications/hildon	20:50
konttori_	I mean, on psd there is the overlay that is greennish	20:50
AndrewFBlack	you might have	20:50
konttori_	and of course you want to disable it before making png file	20:50
AndrewFBlack	I have the svg also and I think its green	20:50
konttori_	oh damn.	20:50
jubileumi	fiferboy: thanks. I'll google more on that.	20:51
AndrewFBlack	konttori_, one sec maybe I'm crasy i'll look again	20:51
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konttori_	you mean black main color, with some green?	20:51
AndrewFBlack	yeah black main color but green highlights	20:51
GeneralAntilles	http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/afb-avatar.png	20:51
AndrewFBlack	its the theme FreDiablo is based off of	20:51
timeless_mbp	AndrewFBlack: did your n900 arrive ?	20:51
GeneralAntilles	That's your new avatar. :P	20:52
qole	ah, i can edit .xchat2/xchat.conf directly and fix my fonts.	20:52
AndrewFBlack	brb work	20:52
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qole	we need a Fremantle version of Echowb for apps like xchat.	20:53
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konttori_	by the way, xchat sucks the battery like almost no other, at least if you are on 3g.	20:57
RST38h	weird. it is not the traffic for sure.	20:58
RST38h	must be some timers that do not let the tablet sleep	20:58
konttori_	nope. there is that for every packet that the device has to send, the 3g connection must be kept at full strength for a (operator defined) period of time. In finland, on my operator that time is 1 minute.	20:59
konttori_	so, I guess that is the reason, but ... anyway, not so nice	20:59
RST38h	Ah, makes sense	20:59
RST38h	But then this is gonna be true for Skype and other messaging services as well, isn't it?	20:59
glass	well, maybe xchat wouldn't suck power if you were just on channels with no chatter	21:00
ShadowJK	konttori_, what operator?	21:00
konttori_	elisa	21:01
ShadowJK	sucks :/	21:01
konttori_	sonera has it at 30 seconds	21:01
ShadowJK	do you know about dna?	21:01
konttori_	also, funnily enough elisa doesn't have any firewall.	21:01
konttori_	so, I get pings and port scans like all the time to the device	21:01
ShadowJK	I think port 25 is firewalled	21:01
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ShadowJK	on both DNA and Elisa (well, saunalahti..) I sometimes get the IP of someone who's been running edonkey (server or client, I guess), and get a steady stream of 100 - 400 bytes/sec of UDP noise :)	21:02
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konttori_	lol	21:02
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RST38h	<envy>	21:03
X-Fade	Imagine that happening on your data roaming connection. ;)	21:03
ShadowJK	:)	21:03
* RST38h managed to get 3G reception at some coffee house this Sunday, it confused the hell out of N900		21:03
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RST38h	Could connect any incoming phone calls	21:04
ShadowJK	It's sad that such issues still haven't been resolved :/	21:04
RST38h	Not blaming N900.	21:04
ShadowJK	It's still in ping-pong between operators blaming the handset manufacturers and the handset manufacturers blaming the operators for misconfigured networks :-(	21:05
RST38h	3G network here is still highly experimental and only allowed inside some buildings	21:05
RST38h	If this continues a year from now, I would worry though	21:05
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ShadowJK	Although I guess the problems have atleast been solved to some degree, I no longer see queues outside operator helpdesks in supermarkets	21:06
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RST38h	that is because people stopped hoping for a solution =)	21:07
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Xisdibik	RST38h, you just gave me a great idea 2 people 2 n900's Bluetooth 3D glasses. Virtual 3D ping pong with N900 paddles :O	21:07
ShadowJK	there was this IPv6 conference thingy at google or something, before google was wideley accepted as being evil, and Nokia was there too and iirc quoted some figure for how long the average operator's broken NAT/firewalls will remember your TCP session	21:07
Xisdibik	wait no ShadowJK gaveme the idea	21:07
ShadowJK	iirc it was 10 seconds or something silly like that	21:07
Xisdibik	sorry :)	21:08
ShadowJK	maybe worse case not average case :)	21:08
wazd	GeneralAntilles: hmm?	21:08
RST38h	Xisdibik: talk to lcuk ;)	21:08
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ShadowJK	xchat does send periodic ping, but that can be disabled... then there's the server sending pings every 60 - 300 seconds depending on the server's configuration... I guess that can be mitigated with a bouncer in between though	21:09
GeneralAntilles	wazd, Hello Kitty. ;)	21:09
ShadowJK	IF your tcp sessions aren't killed by overzealous ISP though :)	21:09
wazd	GeneralAntilles: hey there, sweetheart :D	21:10
RST38h	HEADS UP: I have just committed the new versions of fMSX, Speccy, and AlmostTI to Extras-Devel	21:10
ali1234	ShadowJK: most SOHO routers have the opposite problem, they remember TCP connections for several DAYS after they have been closed and subsequently overflow the connection tables	21:10
RST38h	So, go take a look =)	21:11
wazd	RST38h: you're a monster :)	21:11
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RST38h	wazd: Me? Ok, bring the gold and the virgins!	21:11
wazd	RST38h: dragon != monster :)	21:11
ShadowJK	ali1234, there's that too :)	21:11
RST38h	You mean, I can't have gold and virgins? =)	21:11
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AndrewFBlack	timeless, yes I got it lat night	21:18
AndrewFBlack	konttori_, Did you say why Black/Green theme isn't on Extras?	21:19
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AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=16237	21:20
GeneralAntilles	Awesome.	21:21
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iDialekt	Hmm	21:22
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fiferboy	hi infobot!	21:28
fiferboy	~infobot: hi	21:28
infobot	hello, fiferboy	21:28
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qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Sorry, you don't get karma by saying hi	21:29
lcuk	Xisdibik, bluetooth glasses?	21:29
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: I was just happy to see infobot operational	21:30
fiferboy	~karma fiferboy	21:30
infobot	fiferboy has karma of 2	21:30
fiferboy	:D	21:30
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skibur	pidgin update what happen to the send button?	21:30
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lardman	fiferboy: spot any obvious errors in that code?	21:33
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luke-jr	fiferboy--	21:33
luke-jr	~karma fiferboy	21:33
infobot	fiferboy has karma of 2	21:33
luke-jr	-.-	21:33
fiferboy	luke-jr: You can't karma sap me!	21:33
fiferboy	lardman: Not really. I will check against some of my apps to see if there are any differences in the gtk_main process	21:33
fiferboy	lardman: The segfault happens after 8?	21:34
Xisdibik	lcuk, Bluetooth Virtual Reality Glasses/goggles/mask whatever you wanna call it :)	21:34
qwerty12_N810	~luke-jr--	21:34
luke-jr	~karma luke-jr	21:34
infobot	luke-jr has karma of -1	21:34
lcuk	does BT support wireless video?	21:34
luke-jr	:(	21:34
luke-jr	~fiferboy--	21:35
luke-jr	~qwerty12--	21:35
lardman	yeah, and visible_func() runs through twice too	21:35
qwerty12_N810	grumbles	21:35
luke-jr	~karma qwerty12	21:35
infobot	qwerty12 has neutral karma	21:35
qwerty12_N810	w00t	21:35
luke-jr	~qwerty12--	21:35
luke-jr	~karma qwerty12	21:35
infobot	qwerty12 has karma of -1	21:35
qwerty12_N810	~luke-jr--	21:35
luke-jr	>:O	21:35
fiferboy	~qwerty+=10	21:35
luke-jr	~karma qwerty12	21:35
infobot	qwerty12 has karma of -1	21:35
skibur	pidgin send button missing	21:36
X-Fade	skibur: isn't there a pidgin plug in for that now?	21:36
lcuk	~qwerty12_N810	21:36
RST38h	Here is a requirement. Please send me your updated resume along with	21:36
lcuk	~karma qwerty12_N810	21:36
infobot	qwerty12_n810 has neutral karma	21:36
RST38h	rate, contact details (both number and e-mail), availability period, bla bla bla	21:36
skibur	for real	21:36
skibur	checking	21:36
fiferboy	lardman: I will check for you in a little bit. Don't tell le coq, but I am compiling Qt...	21:36
Xisdibik	lcuk, i was just joking really, since i doubt that would be economical :)	21:36
* RST38h likes this direct approach.		21:36
RST38h	The guy does not know me, I do not know the guy, but here is a requirement indeed...	21:37
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GeneralAntilles	tekojo, ping?	21:37
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X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Busy playing with his beagle board I think ;)	21:37
derf	I hope he actually said, "bla bla bla".	21:37
luke-jr	lol	21:37
RST38h	derf: well, he went like that for another few lines	21:37
tekojo	GeneralAntilles pong	21:37
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tekojo	X-Fade close, but not quite, busy making the images :-)	21:38
RST38h	derf: Network Technician, 6-month contract in SC	21:38
X-Fade	tekojo: Ah ;)	21:38
lardman	fiferboy: QT! No!......	21:38
tekojo	decided I should do it myself from scratch...	21:38
fiferboy	lardman: Don't panic, it has been building for 3 hours, so it is almost done	21:38
lardman	only 3 hrs, not so bad then :)	21:38
jubileumi	fiferboy: Finally got time to try that .desktop file. I cloned one desktop file as irssi.desktop, but it seems it still cannot lauch a shell script. Do I need to use some special osso or mime type?	21:38
RST38h	At least it is not a janitor...	21:39
AndrewFBlack	does application manger not have option to install from file anymore?	21:39
fiferboy	jubileumi: Do you want the script to run in a terminal?	21:39
jubileumi	yep	21:39
luke-jr	fiferboy: qt-webkit won't link on 128 MB RAM	21:39
fiferboy	jubileumi: There is a flag for that. Should be in the desktop file specification	21:39
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, nope, use dpkg -i	21:39
pupnik	i want a searchable website where guys describe their ex girlfriends, like a reverse resume search	21:39
fiferboy	luke-jr: It links fine in scratchbox for i386	21:39
fiferboy	armel in scratchbox, on the other hand...	21:40
jubileumi	fiferboy: humm.. Let's google again..	21:40
X-Fade	pupnik: Bad experience?	21:40
RST38h	pupnik: really think you will find out anything new?	21:40
luke-jr	fiferboy: with 128 MB RAM?	21:40
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, we need that back : (	21:40
pupnik	i think i could find a woman i love who annoys another dude	21:40
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, no we don't.	21:40
AndrewFBlack	ok I need that back I'm lazy	21:40
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, there's an application installer package that will do it for you if you really need a GUI.	21:40
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, we're trying to make installing random .debs from the internet difficult. ;)	21:41
jubileumi	fiferboy: I just made a script that it automaticly changes some locales and makes ssh con to my server and opens screened irssi.	21:41
AndrewFBlack	but I like random debs	21:41
GeneralAntilles	Then use dpkg. :P	21:41
GeneralAntilles	It's faster anyway.	21:41
lcuk	needs root	21:41
fiferboy	luke-jr: With 405 MB of RAM	21:41
lcuk	doesnt it	21:42
luke-jr	fiferboy: big difference	21:42
GeneralAntilles	wget <url> && dpkg	21:42
GeneralAntilles	-i <package>	21:42
fiferboy	I never said I was using 128 MB	21:42
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luke-jr	fiferboy: nor Scratchbox, so I assumed you were building on N810	21:42
luke-jr	:D	21:43
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fiferboy	I said scratchbox. But I wouldn't attemp to build it on device! :)	21:43
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luke-jr	fiferboy: KDE libs builds fine :)	21:44
luke-jr	and links	21:44
fiferboy	On device?!	21:44
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fiferboy	lardman: Nothing is jumping out at me...	21:48
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AndrewFBlack	wow hitech theme looks good	21:49
RST38h	where? =)	21:49
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lardman	fiferboy: yeah, I may just send it to the list and see what the abook experts think	21:51
fiferboy	lardman: If you comment out all the abook stuff before gtk_main does it still segfault?	21:52
fiferboy	It could just be application setup. I realize I haven't written a hildon/gtk application for maemo5	21:52
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lardman	osso_abook_filter_model_set_visible_func(filter_model, visible_func, NULL, NULL); is the line that causes the later segfault	21:52
fiferboy	desktop widgets have initialization handled differently	21:53
lardman	but the visible_func() fn is called twice successfully, and it doesn't seem to segfault in that fn either	21:53
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fiferboy	lardman: What printf is displayed before that segfault?	21:54
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lardman	visible_fun() not visible.	21:55
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lardman	(am just trying to find the > key to save the output)	21:55
ablack_	to funny I was trying to ssh into my into n900 I forgot my n810 was in the bag and connected to wrong device I was like what hte heck	21:55
fiferboy	lardman: Hmm, that looks like it is segfaulting after coming out of the visible_func	21:56
lardman	yeah, segfaulting somewhere in the gtk_main loop	21:56
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lardman	hmm, can't seem to direct the output to file....	21:58
fiferboy	Ah, I see now	21:58
lardman	./test_abook > output.txt produces empty file	21:58
lardman	./test_abook 2> output.txt produces "Segmentation fault"	21:58
lardman	./test_abook &> output.txt produces empty file	21:59
lardman	strange	21:59
lcuk	lardman, once you start threading the normal rules stop applying	22:00
lardman	can I copy from the term?	22:00
fiferboy	Very strange. printf output should be on stdout	22:01
lardman	yeah	22:01
lardman	even more strange, ./test_abook > output.txt doesn't show the normal output (as you'd expect it to go to the file)	22:01
lardman	lcuk: not threading, or rather not threading any more than the standard gtk main loop does	22:02
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lcuk	gulp then	22:02
fiferboy	lardman: why do you call g_thread_init?	22:02
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lardman	was in the example code	22:03
fiferboy	Hmm, strictly speaking I don't think you need it (I could be wrong though)	22:03
lardman	yeah I think you're right	22:03
lardman	that part is shared between all the examples	22:04
lardman	was shared, before I pulled it into my code	22:04
lardman	but it should do no harm afaiu	22:04
* lcuk beds		22:05
lcuk	long day tomorrow	22:05
lcuk	cyas later \o	22:05
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lardman	night lcuk	22:06
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lardman	http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3be24805 output there	22:07
Firebird	woa, posts in off-topic don't count as posts?	22:07
lardman	typed by hand, as still no clue why redirection doesn't work	22:07
lardman	anyway bbl, need to boot Windows and do some dayjob work	22:08
lardman	fiferboy: thanks for looking :)	22:09
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jubileumi	fiferboy: I found a dirt pile.. Seems that it ain't so easy to launch sh through .desktop file. I'm not the only one: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg02570.html	22:13
fiferboy	jubileumi: Maybe I should build personal-launcher for fremantle :)	22:14
GeneralAntilles	jubileumi, maybe reference the vim .desktop?	22:14
jubileumi	I only get a blank screen although terminal is true and exec is the shell script	22:14
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qwerty12_N810	jubileumi: Can you pastebin your desktop file?	22:14
jubileumi	um.. wait a sec..	22:15
qwerty12_N810	jubileumi: The Terminal option is ignored under Maemo	22:15
jubileumi	fcuk	22:15
jubileumi	I had epic typo! :DDD	22:17
jubileumi	let's try few more times..	22:17
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johnsq	Hi	22:22
jubileumi	Sam without typos..	22:22
jubileumi	http://pastebin.com/m712637bd	22:22
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jubileumi	Irssi "app" is starting and there's this progress icon only scrolling.. :(	22:24
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jubileumi	UUU	22:26
jubileumi	got it working	22:26
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johnsq	i just start a terminal and type irrsi.	22:26
jubileumi	exec=/usr/bin/osso-xterm /home/user/irssiin.sh	22:26
jubileumi	well I always had to change locale before connection.	22:27
Andy80	hi all	22:27
jubileumi	And now I have this fancy icon to use. :)	22:27
jubileumi	Thanks guys for helping maemo n00b..	22:27
qwerty12_N900	Hiya, Andy80	22:28
wazd	I have a nice lockscreen idea :)	22:28
wazd	http://www.kljucavnica.net/images/tip1p.jpg	22:28
johnsq	jubileumi: you can move the osso-xterm into the script	22:28
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qwerty12_N900	jubileumi: I promise I was just gonna say to do that :)	22:28
wazd	with all beeps and stuff :)	22:28
jubileumi	qwerty12_N900: yeah right.. :DD	22:28
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timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N900: so, is someone poking zenity? :)	22:29
qwerty12_N900	I just got it working :p	22:29
timeless_mbp	as in fingerable?	22:29
johnsq	wazd: 99% of the passwords are 12345678	22:30
qwerty12_N900	Remind me tomorrow :)	22:30
wazd	johnsq: well, it's cool looking anyway :)	22:30
jubileumi	Hate that the new keylock switch on n900 , because it ain't working correctly :(	22:31
wazd	some sliding doors with keypad in the center :)	22:31
jubileumi	I was meaning the mechanical switch o.o	22:31
jubileumi	Sometimes you need to yank it twice :/	22:32
* lbt thinks 'yank' may be relevant		22:32
lbt	try 'caress'	22:32
jubileumi	:)	22:33
jubileumi	But it's obvious bug	22:33
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jubileumi	I only thought that symbian guys could do that type of flaw.. :DD	22:33
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jubileumi	sorry for flaming, but i've seen these things too closely. Without really getting my hands dirty.	22:35
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hcarrega	status on sales in europe?	22:37
hcarrega	november 2?	22:37
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SpeedEvil	I vote for november 27.	22:37
hcarrega	hum	22:38
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hcarrega	expansys and fnac online in my country predicts november 2	22:38
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SpeedEvil	So wait a week	22:38
SpeedEvil	and see if htey're right.	22:39
hcarrega	yape	22:39
hcarrega	:)	22:39
hcarrega	nothing more i can do	22:39
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hcarrega	and if not i go to fnac and shit on door:)	22:39
hcarrega	roroor	22:39
GeneralAntilles	jubileumi, works great here.	22:40
GeneralAntilles	41-10?	22:40
qwerty12_N900	timeless_mbp: BTW, is having the Control Panel applet, for the strings, working a planned feature? :p	22:42
timeless_mbp	i'd like to, yes	22:42
timeless_mbp	but someone needs to give me a bsd-ish launcher link host	22:43
timeless_mbp	fwiw, i'll be in scl.ca.us next week	22:43
timeless_mbp	so not much will happen on my side there	22:43
timeless_mbp	i did start working on that launcher code, but i can't remember what happened to it	22:44
GeneralAntilles	Ping anybody with > 500 karma who wants a cloak?	22:44
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: how do i apply a cloak?	22:44
qwerty12_N900	GeneralAntilles: Me! Me! Me! (Please :))	22:44
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qwerty12_N900	timeless: Do you have the code for your current one available anywhere?	22:44
timeless_mbp	lemme look	22:45
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, good with /Maemo/community/contributor/timeless?	22:45
timeless_mbp	sure	22:45
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, X-Fade has to send a list to somebody at Freenode.	22:45
GeneralAntilles	Just collecting yes/nos from people for now.	22:46
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timeless_mbp	oh wait	22:47
timeless_mbp	i have to actively maintain my nickserv username/password?	22:47
timeless_mbp	that'll suck	22:47
GeneralAntilles	Hum?	22:47
* timeless_mbp doesn't know how cloaks work		22:47
GeneralAntilles	Just setup your client to autologin?	22:47
GeneralAntilles	It replaces your hostmask	22:48
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GeneralAntilles	assuming you're identified with nickserv	22:48
timeless_mbp	yeah um... i've never really setup nickserv in my irc clients :)	22:48
* timeless_mbp is old fashioned		22:48
timeless_mbp	nickserv is too new for me :)	22:48
jubileumi	GeneralAntilles: Wait that screen goes blank and caress the switch just after it.. For me the screen stays blank unles I YANK again. :)	22:48
GeneralAntilles	Well, it's pretty easy to do. :P	22:48
GeneralAntilles	jubileumi, weird.	22:48
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N900: yes, i have sources	22:48
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, nickserv has been around since, like the 90s.	22:49
jubileumi	and running 42-9	22:49
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timeless_mbp	well, i started irc'ing in roughly 98	22:49
GeneralAntilles	jubileumi, ah, 41-10 here.	22:49
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jubileumi	But earlier I used this with some really old sw and it didn't have this "feature"	22:50
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timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N900: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/qwerty-cpa.c	22:50
qwerty12_N900	timeless_mbp: Give me the source for the CPA and I'll make it launch zenity. Any additions I do can be licensed under whatever	22:50
GeneralAntilles	jubileumi, probably it's blank -> lock -> unlock.	22:50
qwerty12_N900	Got it	22:50
GeneralAntilles	Just tap the screen instead.	22:50
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jubileumi	GeneralAntilles: NOT!	22:51
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N900: ideally one could build it w/ -D LOCALE=enus	22:51
GeneralAntilles	jubileumi, hum?	22:51
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N900: there's a major build error in the code	22:51
timeless_mbp	we fixed it on another computer, but i didn't copy it back	22:51
timeless_mbp	lemme find the magic for that	22:51
jubileumi	GeneralAntilles: how can I tell has it already locked or is it just blanked?	22:51
GeneralAntilles	jubileumi, depends on your autolock setting, I think.	22:52
X-Fade	jubileumi: if keyboard is in, it is always locked?	22:52
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jubileumi	Well that is the thing that this kind of switch should always lid the screen	22:52
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GeneralAntilles	Alternatively, I think you could just use the keyboard to unlock.	22:52
jubileumi	so maybe I just but all the timeouts to same value.	22:53
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N900: reload the url	22:53
hcarrega	http://www.expansys.pt/d.aspx?i=188856	22:53
hcarrega	2 days	22:54
qwerty12_N900	timeless: got it :)	22:54
timeless_mbp	:)	22:54
X-Fade	hcarrega: You don't have to actively poll for release dates. I'm sure you will know when it is available. ;)	22:54
hcarrega	hum	22:55
GeneralAntilles	Ah, Cap'n Corrupt picks the Droid.	22:55
GeneralAntilles	Finally.	22:55
jubileumi	yep.. You just go for a walk and suddenly notive tat everyone is carrying n900. :D	22:55
jubileumi	* notice	22:55
* Mousey still harbors doubts about right handed space bar		22:56
X-Fade	millenomi: Got used to that in 30 secs or so..	22:56
jubileumi	for me it's goood	22:56
timeless_mbp	jubileumi: where are you walking?	22:56
GeneralAntilles	Mousey, do you have trouble typing with your left thumb?	22:56
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Mousey	not particularily	22:56
Mousey	i do more of that than with my right thumb	22:57
GeneralAntilles	Well, why should the spacebar be any different?	22:57
GeneralAntilles	Er	22:57
GeneralAntilles	Reverse that.	22:57
Mousey	because its farther from my left thumb	22:57
X-Fade	Mousey: You can reach it with your left thumb.	22:57
* GeneralAntilles is doing too much multitasking.		22:57
jubileumi	timeless_mbp: it was a reply for that poll for release dates.	22:57
X-Fade	Mousey: If you really want to ;)	22:57
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* Mousey still wonders		22:58
timeless_mbp	hcarrega: 5 working days, they probably aren't currently working :)	22:58
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hcarrega	i will wait	22:59
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lbt	wazd: ping	23:06
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achipa	/who	23:07
achipa	oops	23:07
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Proteous	the 2.0 update for my n97 thankfully addressed the one problem that annoyed me most	23:09
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Proteous	the lock/unlock funtionality was always sorta sketchy	23:10
Proteous	now it is rock solid	23:10
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Proteous	and they disabled the camera and zoom buttons from activiating the "THis phones is locked" dialog from poping up and activating the screen	23:10
Proteous	I always managed to hit one of thsoe buttons when taking the phone out of my picket	23:10
Proteous	pocket	23:11
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wazd	lbt: pong :)	23:11
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Proteous	now if they had only made the browsers 10 times faster it would almost be as good as a n900...	23:12
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lbt	wazd: msg	23:13
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wazd	lbt: sorry, I have weird msg system, please write again now)	23:19
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GeneralAntilles	Damn!	23:22
GeneralAntilles	Missed the BoC	23:22
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* GeneralAntilles is really tired of the Droid commercials.		23:30
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lbt	Jaffa: elena made some more comments today	23:31
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lbt	X-Fade: are we supposed to get email notifications for wiki edits on watched pages?	23:33
X-Fade	lbt: only once	23:33
X-Fade	lbt: until you visit the page again.	23:34
lbt	OK	23:34
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timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N810: did that file compile?	23:40
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qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: Haven't tried, as I'm on a tablet	23:41
timeless_mbp	ah	23:41
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fiferboy	N900 at the dinner table \o/	23:42
Stskeeps	fiferwife killing you yet?	23:43
TomaszD	anyone knows how to use tab autocompletion in xchat on the n900?	23:43
qwerty12_N810	fiferwife angry!	23:43
lbt	fiferboy: you bought her one?	23:43
GeneralAntilles	lol	23:43
fiferboy	fiferwife is done dinner :)	23:43
GeneralAntilles	TomaszD, figure out a way to bind tab to a key.	23:44
qwerty12_N810	GeneralAntilles: Oh, did I tell you? The N900 doesn't even read that rx-51 keymap file	23:44
Andy80	TomaszD: ehm... where is xchat on N900 ?	23:44
TomaszD	I don't even remember which repo I got it from	23:45
TomaszD	but I do have it	23:45
qwerty12_N810	GeneralAntilles: ATM, my N900 is running with that file deleted and all the keys in a working state...	23:45
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GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N810, yeah, that's the conclusion I came to.	23:45
uhsf	what does xchat have over pidgin?	23:45
GeneralAntilles	It's getting its info from HAL, I assume	23:45
GeneralAntilles	but I don't know where HAL gets the keymap.	23:45
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, anybody you could poke internally? My pleas to the list went unheaded.	23:46
GeneralAntilles	s/head/heed/	23:46
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: timeless_mbp, anybody you could poke internally? My pleas to the list went unheeded.	23:46
timeless_mbp	about which?	23:46
GeneralAntilles	How to remap keys in Maemo 5.	23:46
* timeless_mbp ponders		23:46
GeneralAntilles	The xkb symbols files don't do anything.	23:46
timeless_mbp	is that an x11 thing?	23:46
GeneralAntilles	xmodmap just breaks stuff	23:46
GeneralAntilles	I think the binding is in HAL now	23:46
GeneralAntilles	but I don't know where that would be.	23:47
timeless_mbp	so... the x11 side of things is a public guy	23:47
GeneralAntilles	Daniel still?	23:47
timeless_mbp	daniel stone	23:47
timeless_mbp	he's no longer with us directly	23:47
timeless_mbp	but he's still working on it	23:47
timeless_mbp	so if it has anything to do w/ x11, you can try contacting him	23:48
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GeneralAntilles	Supposedly he reads the lists	23:48
GeneralAntilles	since he often replies there, but he hasn't replied so far, unfortunately.	23:48
timeless_mbp	i have no idea who does hal	23:48
timeless_mbp	is there a listed maintainer?	23:49
GeneralAntilles	Guillem Jover	23:49
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ifreq	Applications communicate with HAL through the D-Bus IPC mechanism, which abstracts the hardware behind an object-based RPC mechanism.	23:52
ifreq	Each logical hardware device is represented as a D-Bus object, and its bus address is used as a unique identifier. Devices include abstractions like disk partitions and visible wireless networks. The device's functionality is exposed through D-Bus interfaces, and its state accessed through properties, a set of key-value pairs.	23:52
ifreq	thats how it works	23:52
ifreq	sorry for huge paste.	23:52
ifreq	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_(software)	23:52
ifreq	on normal leenox: hal-setup-keymap binary that is necessary for the multimedia key re-mapping support.	23:54
ifreq	i mean on normal platform ie x64 or x86	23:54
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: "Select color" in HeColorDialog should be "Select Colour" if the locale is en_GB (Mind, it should be that too if the locale is en_US, but that's another story...)	23:54
qwerty12_N810	*colour	23:55
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qwerty12_N810	:(	23:58
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