IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-10-27

GeneralAntilles	Seriously, Ovi Maps is DANGEROUSLY non-functional.	00:00
timeless_mbp	fwiw, i've used ovi maps on trains	00:00
timeless_mbp	or rather... tried to	00:00
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* timeless_mbp has decided to call it ovi maps even though the app clearly thinks it's nokia maps		00:00
javispedro	ok. So we're going to torch for this disfunctioness ?	00:00
javispedro	s/we're/who we're	00:00
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timeless_mbp	well, someone already mentioned gate5	00:00
timeless_mbp	they're the perpetrators	00:01
GeneralAntilles	The team that put this shit together could be fired and replaced by a half-dozen monkeys and they'd do a better job.	00:01
qwerty12_N810	GeneralAntilles: That's just insulting to monkeys...	00:02
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GeneralAntilles	I mean, seriously, I don't think I've even seen a piece of software that runs more counter to general usefulness.	00:02
lbt	http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4048158716/	00:03
lbt	I started some tags "ovi maps" and "crap"	00:03
GeneralAntilles	Win.	00:03
timeless_mbp	fwiw, there's a minor ui refresh coming for maps	00:04
Ceron^	roflmao	00:04
timeless_mbp	it's supposed to be slightly better	00:04
GeneralAntilles	lbt and I hate you and your goddamn piece of shit TVR.	00:04
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, I might be satisfied if it managed to actually track my GPS position.	00:04
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: did you turn on 'track me'?	00:04
lbt	GeneralAntilles: you can tell?	00:04
GeneralAntilles	lbt, what other car has a hood like that?	00:05
* lbt consider's replying to Arii's blog... I'm not getting there, I'll tell you that!!!		00:05
GeneralAntilles	and I know you own one, so. . . . :P	00:05
timeless_mbp	from memory, if you don't turn on track me, the results aren't worth looking at	00:05
javispedro	ok, so where can we vote to torch Ovi Maps and everyone who touched it?	00:05
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, track me didn't do anything of the sort.	00:05
timeless_mbp	javispedro: oh, please leave my one neighbor alone	00:05
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: track me mostly breaks my ability to control zoom/orientation :)	00:06
timeless_mbp	it's very helpful for auto-mess-up-zoom and auto-disorient	00:06
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lbt	GeneralAntilles: indeed	00:06
lbt	all fibreglass - so the GPS had no excuses	00:06
GeneralAntilles	I like that it's almost impossible to get it back to North orientation.	00:06
timeless_mbp	there are two guys here who liaise for maps	00:07
anidel	timeless the little ui change is the removal of that useless bar at the very center of the screen? tell me yes	00:07
pupnik_	when i attach n900 to pc usb, should i get lsusb entry for N900 even if kernel not booted?	00:07
timeless_mbp	anidel: they're moving it up a pixel or two	00:07
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lbt	GeneralAntilles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/1405809809/in/set-72157602080229397/	00:07
timeless_mbp	we told them to move it to the bottom of the screen	00:07
lardman	pupnik_: if it's switched on, then yes	00:07
GeneralAntilles	lbt, private.	00:07
timeless_mbp	I told them that there's a reason dashboards are below the windshield instead of above	00:07
anidel	timeless: and their reply was?	00:07
pupnik_	ty	00:07
timeless_mbp	"thanks for the input"	00:08
lardman	pupnik_: even if it's just charging, it should enter usb flashing mode afaik	00:08
timeless_mbp	which is better than some of their replies	00:08
anidel	timeless: thanks for sharing	00:08
lbt	fixed	00:08
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, somebody needs to get them to the next Maemo event so we can beat them up.	00:08
timeless_mbp	which were more like "oh, fixing that would be too expensive"	00:08
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: that could be fun	00:08
GeneralAntilles	lbt, I'm going to make myself feel less inadequate by calling that an ugly paint job. :D	00:08
lbt	we changed it	00:09
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lardman	lbt: entering the fun time of year for you now then? ;)	00:10
lardman	leaves, frost, etc	00:10
lbt	oh yes...	00:10
lbt	leary powerslides	00:11
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lardman	:)	00:11
pupnik_	lardman, so to be clear, kernel does not need to boot, usb id is detected without software running on device?	00:11
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, shipping Ovi Maps is going to be expensive.	00:12
GeneralAntilles	Software like that can kill a platform.	00:12
lardman	pupnik_: no, kernel does boot, but only partway	00:12
GeneralAntilles	They should take a page from Apple's book in this case. . . .	00:12
Andrewfbl	well me n900 came I today but I wasn't. home to sign for it have to wait til tomorrow now	00:12
GeneralAntilles	Don't ship features which are broken as all get out.	00:12
GeneralAntilles	Andrewfbl, that's why you leave a proxy at home!	00:12
javispedro	I'd say try to trick Navicore into another release.	00:12
pupnik_	if kernel does not boot, can i verify that usb connection physically exists	00:12
javispedro	At least, the consensus seems to be it was better.	00:12
Andrewfbl	lol I didn't know it was comingtoday	00:13
lardman	javispedro: reverse the data format and write our own app to use the data	00:13
pupnik_	rather electrically	00:13
Andrewfbl	I almost want to call in sick tomorrow	00:13
javispedro	lardman: the app, not the maps itself. the maps were "meh".	00:13
anidel	andrew, you should.. or leave the proxy on :)	00:13
javispedro	Andrewfbl: your preorder?	00:13
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Andrewfbl	no I'm getting pre release one	00:14
pupnik_	take it as an opportunity tp demonstrate how expendable your job position is.	00:14
lardman	javispedro: ah Navicore of course, how did Jaffa get on trying to get it to work with the stub? Or have I just missed that conversation?	00:14
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javispedro	no idea what you're talking about, so I guess it was me who missed the conversation :)	00:15
lardman	javispedro: long time back, before the summit, he was wanting to get Navicore running from N8x0 on N900	00:15
lardman	but was missing some stub library iirc	00:15
javispedro	ah, cool. qwerty12_N810, learn a thing from him :)	00:15
lardman	writing the stub would be doable, was only the bluez/gps lib iirc	00:16
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javispedro	i will have a look at it if ovi maps is so awful.	00:16
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* lardman is pleased that autofocus now works		00:17
GeneralAntilles	Well, hopefully we can get Maemo Mapper doing some more useful things with cellular.	00:17
Andrewfbl	I would rather have navicore over maemomapper	00:18
lardman	mm would be fine now with always on connection	00:18
javispedro	I too prefer offline autorouting.	00:18
lardman	would be good to have location of contacts (says he thinking about his accursed abook code)	00:19
GeneralAntilles	Well, Maemo Mapper is something we're likely to get	00:19
GeneralAntilles	and likely to have the ability to provide input on.	00:19
qwerty12_N810	javispedro: Oh, if you do look at it, it has a trial rather like Garnet VM...	00:19
javispedro	no, navicore is a more serious one	00:19
javispedro	well, relatively.	00:19
Andrewfbl	I just hate to lose all the money I paid for navicore	00:20
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javispedro	Navit dammit!	00:20
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Firebird	javispedro, any idea how I could keep SDL1.3 separate from 1.2? Right now, it just overwrites all files	00:20
qwerty12_N810	Note to self: One is not better off running hildon-home as root	00:21
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javispedro	Firebird: you mean -dev package?	00:21
javispedro	cause libs already work here	00:21
Firebird	javispedro, doesn't the lib overwrite?	00:22
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javispedro	Firebird: /usr/lib/libSDL-1.3.so.0.0.0 , /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.1	00:22
anidel	qwerty12_n810 what are you trying to do with it?	00:22
Firebird	oh...	00:22
lardman	anyone know why this: sprintf(data, "0%s", data); has turned data into a bunch of 0s?	00:22
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javispedro	-dev packages are another story...	00:22
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qwerty12_N810	anidel: Writing a replacement for the operator name widget	00:23
anidel	lardman what was in data before that?	00:23
lardman	a barcode	00:23
anidel	qwerty: why?	00:23
anidel	mm	00:23
lardman	731453080423 to be exact	00:23
qwerty12_N810	anidel: Want to show my own thing there =)	00:23
Firebird	javispedro, could just move it to /usr/include/SDL13, would that work?	00:24
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timeless_mbp	lardman: you're trying to prepend a 0 to a string?	00:24
lardman	yeah	00:24
timeless_mbp	you might want to consider memmove	00:24
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lardman	is that considered better form?	00:24
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lardman	fine by me if so	00:24
anidel	lardman: was 0 or \0, I mean what you wrote here is correct, is it?	00:24
timeless_mbp	http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstring/memmove/	00:24
javispedro	Firebird: I've not read the details, but, anyway: there's a sdl-config script. You probably need to rename it to sdl13-config and patch it so that it returns correct path.	00:24
lardman	anidel: came out as all 0	00:25
timeless_mbp	lardman: i think you basically ate your own tail	00:25
lardman	timeless_mbp: ok, will take a look	00:25
timeless_mbp	> Copies the values of num bytes from the location pointed by source to the memory block pointed by destination. Copying takes place as if an intermediate buffer was used, allowing the destination and source to overlap.	00:25
lardman	hmm, should have been null terminated though	00:25
timeless_mbp	the key is that last clause about overlapping	00:25
timeless_mbp	imagine a naive implementation which does this:	00:25
timeless_mbp	get pointer for output	00:26
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timeless_mbp	get first character from new string "0"	00:26
anidel	yeah you started copying 0 and then started reading 0	00:26
lardman	yeah I understand	00:26
timeless_mbp	write first character from new string to ...	00:26
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anidel	so it first write 0 to data[0] then reads data[0] to put it in data[1]	00:27
anidel	and so on	00:27
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anidel	*writes	00:27
lardman	ok, fail on my part	00:27
lardman	:)	00:27
Firebird	javispedro, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/libsdl13/	00:27
timeless_mbp	it's a valuable lesson	00:27
javispedro	ah, thanks Firebird!	00:28
anidel	computers always do what you tell them, not what you want them to do :)	00:28
lardman	I blame the Americans for having 12 char UPC codes rather than 13 char EANs ;)	00:28
anidel	ehehe	00:28
Firebird	javispedro, I think I only changed like one file in video/X11	00:28
timeless_mbp	lardman: fwiw, having a 15 char buffer w/ the first char being a 0 and the last 2 being 0s	00:28
timeless_mbp	and starting at char 1	00:28
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timeless_mbp	would let you cheat	00:28
lardman	true	00:28
timeless_mbp	just change your pointer to start at char 0 when you hit an american code	00:28
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anidel	much faster	00:29
javispedro	Firebird: understandable. but a start is a start! :)	00:29
javispedro	probably, with the vaporware 3D drivers, we can even use it in N810.	00:29
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javispedro	Forceware Vaporware Drivers. It's funny. Laugh.	00:30
Firebird	javispedro, when does that come? Its been two weeks since the announcement	00:30
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qwerty12_N810	javispedro: I wouldn't recommend stand up comedy as a career :)	00:31
javispedro	Firebird: dunno. I am asking myself the same.	00:32
lardman	anyone know of a gstreamer element that allows you to chop off the edges of your image>	00:32
lardman	?	00:32
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* Firebird stands and says "You Lie" in the direction of TI in the voice of Rep Joe Wilson		00:33
anidel	not me lardman	00:35
derf	lardman: videocrop?	00:35
lardman	derf: sounds promising	00:35
derf	http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-videocrop.html	00:35
anidel	lardman, you know that in italian "lardo" is "fat" ? I read your nickname and I think of fatman	00:35
anidel	not that it is bad...	00:35
lardman	anidel: indeed, same in English ;)	00:36
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anidel	indeed? didn't know :p	00:37
lardman	more to do with cooking lard though in my case, though I am cultivating my beer belly, as I could only cook eggs & bacon when I went to uni	00:37
anidel	new word (easy one) learned	00:37
anidel	lardman we use lard instead of oil to cook pizza in some places.. very good	00:38
lardman	yep, so s/lardo/lard and you're there for the Italian->English translation, but only for food, or being rude	00:39
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lardman	what about gordo? Or is that my vague recollection of Spanish?	00:39
anidel	same in italian for rudeness	00:39
anidel	ingordo.. greedy	00:40
anidel	voracious...	00:40
javispedro	yep, Gordo is fat too.	00:40
anidel	? that 'gordo'?	00:40
javispedro	"un gordo" is "a fat person".	00:40
anidel	spanish then?	00:41
GeneralAntilles	i.e., lardman	00:41
javispedro	literyep	00:41
anidel	eheh	00:41
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Flandry	i step away for a few mintues and this degenerates into a discussion of Spanish grammar	00:57
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lardman	hmm, cropping isn't ideal	00:58
lardman	too slow	00:58
javispedro	Flandry: well, nobody expects the Spanish Grammer Inquisition.	00:59
Flandry	ha	00:59
javispedro	Slowly stepping up in my stand up comedy career.	00:59
qwerty12_N810	javispedro: "grammar"	00:59
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lardman	lol	00:59
lardman	+1 qwerty12_N810	00:59
Flandry	lol	00:59
Flandry	so, my app made it through the autobuilder	00:59
javispedro	typo of course :)	00:59
Flandry	someone with an N900 needs to see if the default controls will work	01:00
qwerty12_N810	Anyone with an N900: Does "dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.get_operator_name" also return "can't find method"?	01:00
Myrtti	BURP	01:00
GeneralAntilles	qwerty12_N810, well, they are Spanish. ;)	01:00
qwerty12_N810	Ha	01:00
timeless_mbp	qwerty: gah	01:00
Flandry	i don't get it	01:01
GeneralAntilles	If anybody needs a fun way to kill time: http://altitudegame.com/	01:01
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timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N810: yes	01:02
javispedro	Java game! Call in the Java Grammer Inquisition.	01:02
qwerty12_N810	Thanks, timeless_mbp	01:02
qwerty12_N810	grumbles	01:02
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Firebird	aww, no java	01:03
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range	What's even worse.	01:04
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range	No COBOL either.	01:04
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lardman	hey BBNS	01:06
lardman	I don't suppose you know how to enable macro mode do you?	01:06
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BBNS	lardman: nope. o_o	01:09
lardman	np, auto focus is working	01:09
lardman	thanks	01:10
BBNS	lardman: oh wait, macro mode?	01:10
lardman	yeah	01:10
BBNS	lardman: try camerabin	01:10
lardman	hmm	01:10
lardman	it didn't seem to like me	01:10
BBNS	lardman: i think there is code for that.	01:10
lardman	yeah, there is code in libgdigicam	01:10
lardman	but I want a straight through pipeline, with no previews, etc., and I couldn't get it to play ball	01:10
BBNS	not even trace the code of camerabin?	01:11
lardman	well actually not quite straight through, I have a tee and two queues	01:11
BBNS	it's inside gstreamer-camera	01:11
BBNS	ah ok.	01:11
lardman	gst-photography?	01:11
BBNS	yeah	01:11
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BBNS	and gstreamer0.10-camera, that's the package name.	01:11
BBNS	or something like that.	01:12
lardman	would be good to see some example code, couldn't get libgdigicam to do anything useful	01:12
BBNS	forget about libgdigicam.	01:12
pupnik_	heh	01:12
lardman	I tried a straight swap for my pipeline to the camera-bin. but wasn't really too happy with it	01:12
BBNS	go to gstreamer plug-in itself.	01:12
lardman	ok, will take a look at the source code	01:12
BBNS	and try to extract the element you need.	01:12
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BBNS	you can reorganize the pipeline.	01:13
pupnik_	lardman do you determine orientation of barcode plane, or somehow manage to extract the info wiout determining it	01:13
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lardman	ah, set scene mode, nice	01:14
lardman	pupnik_: depends on the barcode type	01:14
lardman	for 1D is not so important, for 2D is - talk to derf who wrote the QR code decoder	01:14
pupnik_	wow	01:15
pupnik_	thats giving something back	01:15
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derf	pupnik_: QR codes have finder patterns which can be pretty reliably located regardless of the plane orientation.	01:17
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derf	Sadly, there's only 3 of them, and you really need four.	01:17
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pupnik_	whoah nice. add-on device eletronically alternates polarization of lcd projector beam offset by 90 degrees. turn normal projector into 3d projector with passive glasses	01:36
pupnik_	http://www.depthq.com/modulator.html?gclid=CLPRx-Dv250CFVBd4wodpGwtrA	01:37
pupnik_	someone finally made a product out of that	01:37
Firebird	mmm, why does the autobuilder build slower than my computer :o	01:37
timeless_mbp	are you sharing?	01:38
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N810: hey, what ever happened to that gettext package you had?	01:38
timeless_mbp	the one i wanted in extras-devel	01:38
Firebird	timeless_mbp, was under the impression it built one thing at a time, hence the queue?	01:38
qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: The one I had is the one you can find in the SDK repo...	01:38
timeless_mbp	i thought it cheated and built a couple of things in parallel for unrelated people	01:39
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N810: yeah, but i want it in extras-devel	01:39
timeless_mbp	so i don't have to ruin people's devices :)	01:39
qwerty12_N810	Ah	01:39
timeless_mbp	the sdk reop is so utterly broken	01:39
timeless_mbp	it really shouldn't exist	01:39
qwerty12_N810	It's not even current :(	01:39
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lardman	New mBarcode code here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/test/	01:42
lardman	working autofocus and macro, thanks BBNS	01:42
GeneralAntilles	code177, you do realize Extras is, like, right there, right?	01:42
lardman	need to debianise and move Amazon webscraping to AWS	01:42
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N810: if you gave me the .changes file	01:43
timeless_mbp	is that sufficient for me to use w/ the files i got from apt-get source from the sdk repo?	01:43
lardman	and fix N8x0 building too....	01:44
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qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: If you already did an apt-get source on it, just go into the folder and "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i"	01:44
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qwerty12_N810	Just make sure that it is the one from the SDK repo, or Bad Things will happen	01:45
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pupnik_	congrats lardman	01:46
BBNS	lardman: nice! thanks =) so it's in camerabin pipeline?	01:46
BBNS	how you switch to marco mode?	01:46
lardman	gst_photography_set_scene_mode (GST_PHOTOGRAPHY (appdata->camera_src), GST_PHOTOGRAPHY_SCENE_MODE_CLOSEUP);	01:47
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BBNS	ah nice. so same api.	01:47
lardman	but no, still a normal pipeline, didn't have to change that	01:47
lardman	yeah same api, is good :)	01:47
BBNS	got it. =) need someone to document it. otherwise it's easy to forget.	01:48
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BBNS	would you mind writing it down? i guess phtography is very handy api.	01:48
lardman	I'll do so, once I've got the above items sorted out	01:48
lardman	np	01:48
BBNS	thanks! =) very appreciated it.	01:48
timeless_mbp	qwerty12_N810: i can't get the build deps happy	01:48
lardman	anyway, must go to bed now	01:49
lardman	BBNS: thanks for your help	01:49
lardman	night all	01:49
qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: Grr, use the SDK, already...	01:49
BBNS	gnite, lardman	01:49
qwerty12_N810	night lardman	01:49
BBNS	np. =]	01:49
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xnt14	hmm	01:49
timeless_mbp	but i don't like the sdk!	01:49
xnt14	just got a crappy q-see dvr....	01:49
timeless_mbp	hrm, url for the sdk-vm?	01:49
xnt14	apparently it looks like it runs linux	01:49
qwerty12_N810	timeless: Like Or Die =)	01:49
timeless_mbp	bah, fix zenity already	01:50
* timeless_mbp pokes lbt		01:50
xnt14	qwerty12_N810, want to try to help me get a shell?	01:50
lbt	sorry timeless_mbp, out of time for tonight... poke me again tomorrow night?	01:50
timeless_mbp	lbt: hrm	01:50
lbt	OTOH my local OBS installed and runs now :)	01:50
qwerty12_N810	xnt14: Sorry, even if I knew what I was doing, DBus-GLib is keeping me busy	01:51
timeless_mbp	zenity should really have just installed	01:51
timeless_mbp	it's available in the extras-devel repo	01:51
lbt	nod	01:51
xnt14	:/	01:51
timeless_mbp	which you had	01:51
xnt14	ah well	01:51
* timeless_mbp goes to pokes builder		01:51
lbt	plus the battery is crying now	01:51
lbt	night	01:51
xnt14	hmm a port scan reveals nothing...	01:51
qwerty12_N810	night lbt	01:51
xnt14	hmm http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/q_see_hack/	01:51
timeless_mbp	sleep well	01:51
timeless_mbp	try again in the morning	01:51
lbt	yeah, night all.... just posted an anti-ovi to planet too....	01:52
lbt	go thumb it up!!	01:52
lbt	and comment	01:52
GeneralAntilles	Ooh	01:52
GeneralAntilles	I wont even proof this one first!	01:52
xnt14	lol 123456 as a root passwd :P	01:52
lbt	may take a bit to appear	01:52
pupnik_	what niche does planet serve	01:53
qwerty12_N810	lbt: Is it in camelCase? =)	01:53
lbt	it's more an "I'm so disapointed in you :(" post....	01:53
lbt	much more cutting ;)	01:53
* GeneralAntilles chuckles at baloo's post.		01:53
lbt	qwerty12_N810: GeneralAntilles wouldn't like that	01:53
GeneralAntilles	What did they expect?	01:53
lbt	yeah	01:54
qwerty12_N810	lbt: Grr, that damn General	01:54
GeneralAntilles	Journalists are stupid.	01:54
lbt	have you seen the BBC blog page though	01:54
lbt	lots of attention	01:54
lbt	and they like attention	01:54
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airstrike	hello	01:55
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pupnik_	an app store is a good thing, not a bad thing	01:56
GeneralAntilles	pupnik_, er, Maps.	01:56
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: So, must I terminate you? =)	01:57
pupnik_	the maps worked ok for me. what is problem?	01:57
pupnik_	except for that first gps lock	01:57
GeneralAntilles	pupnik_, it's useless garbage.	01:57
GeneralAntilles	Slow, unusable garbage.	01:57
fiferboy	No, shot went well	01:57
pupnik_	i guess i never tried anything 'good' then	01:58
pupnik_	except in the cars i was in, which are better at tracking	01:58
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: By the way, I am going to start writing all my programs in python...	01:58
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* qwerty12_N810 gets the AK ready		01:58
* pupnik_ offers fiferboy a lifetime supply of heroin		01:58
qwerty12_N810	GeneralAntilles: There's your answer. =)	01:59
qwerty12_N810	pupnik_ is high	01:59
pupnik_	no i am hungry for something besides leftover sphaghetti	01:59
pupnik_	the joke was to keep him from coding python	01:59
fiferboy	My joke was the flu shot was driving me to code python	01:59
pupnik_	oh	02:00
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pupnik_	now i get the sinister plot!	02:00
xnt14	hmm, I should call up q-see and ask for the sourcecode.....	02:00
xnt14	it is linux based..... :P	02:00
airstrike	where can i find maemo 6 UI guidelines, assuming they exist? or should i just stick to the legacy maemo 5 documentation from the tutorials?	02:01
lcuk	liqbase.net ;)	02:01
GeneralAntilles	lol, Maemo 5 is legacy already?	02:01
GeneralAntilles	Maemo 6 is at least a year away. . . .	02:01
GeneralAntilles	This is clearly the problem with open roadmaps.	02:02
timeless_mbp	airstrike: first you need a time machine	02:02
airstrike	that's what the tutorial says :P	02:02
airstrike	it calls itself legacy	02:02
lcuk	which?	02:02
airstrike	http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Introduction	02:02
derf	timeless_mbp: A time machine in that direction is easy!	02:02
GeneralAntilles	airstrike, http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation	02:02
GeneralAntilles	First paragraph there.	02:02
airstrike	yes, i've downloaded all of those	02:03
lcuk	wow @ naming tho	02:03
timeless_mbp	yeah, naming fail	02:03
airstrike	but as far as UI elements go, it hasn't changed a lot	02:03
timeless_mbp	Fingrish WIN!	02:03
lcuk	its a replaced set of documents	02:03
lcuk	but its not legacy yet	02:03
GeneralAntilles	en_FI is where it's at.	02:03
airstrike	i assume they mean those pdf's will be more up-to-date than the info on that link, but they're still very similar from what i can tell	02:03
airstrike	but alright, i had no idea maemo 6 was a year away	02:04
timeless_mbp	airstrike: part of this is your fault for not reading the fine print carefully	02:04
lcuk	bah no its not	02:04
timeless_mbp	and most of this is the fault of the finns for not talking to the native speakers who work nearby	02:04
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lcuk	thats just badly worded	02:04
GeneralAntilles	So, Porche's got a sedan now. Any bets on when they're going to make a minivan?	02:04
* timeless_mbp will slap them tomorrow/today		02:04
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lcuk	timeless, :D you might get shown the door	02:05
timeless_mbp	just their office door :)	02:05
GeneralAntilles	Haha	02:05
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GeneralAntilles	lcuk knows what that's about. :P	02:05
airstrike	timeless_mbp: one could either blame my lack of attention to fine print or the designer's notion of text hierarchy (or lack thereof) ;)	02:05
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timeless_mbp	airstrike: i'll blame both, it's easier that way	02:06
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lcuk	ok, so before they were legacy	02:06
lcuk	google had a fix on the title	02:06
lcuk	then they were moved to forum.nokia.com	02:06
timeless_mbp	and if you both learn a lesson, all the better :)	02:06
lcuk	and renamed	02:06
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xnt14	hmm, this is the name of the fw update file on their website ;) TD2316_2.7.0_CIF_090915_US02LG_EN1.tar	02:06
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timeless_mbp	i'm sure google rightly penalizes FN for its awful structure	02:07
timeless_mbp	is signing optional for builder?	02:09
lcuk	i believe so	02:10
lcuk	it used to be required	02:10
lcuk	but lots had problems	02:10
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anidel	night guys	02:12
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qwerty12_N810	night anidel	02:13
qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: it is, indeed	02:13
* GeneralAntilles finds it obnoxious that farmers are insisting on breeding all of the fat out of avocados.		02:13
lcuk	nite anidel	02:14
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crashanddie	ok	02:15
crashanddie	last cigarette and then I'm out 'till California	02:16
pupnik_	at some point people are going to want energy in their food again	02:16
pupnik_	good luck with that	02:16
crashanddie	energy in their food?	02:16
lcuk	have a great trip seb :)	02:17
pupnik_	energy, fat, carbs, sugars	02:17
crashanddie	lcuk, thanks guv	02:17
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GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, don't get accosted by any backrupt Californians.	02:17
timeless_mbp	where's the web ui to watch the builder queue?	02:17
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, I'm not talking to anyone unless they are hot and have a natural pair of boobs	02:17
GeneralAntilles	The Extras assistant?	02:17
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	02:18
crashanddie	Well	02:18
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crashanddie	"Natural boobs" is probably cutting the list quite short	02:18
lcuk	https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/extras-cauldron-builds	02:18
GeneralAntilles	In CA, anyway. ;)	02:18
crashanddie	aye	02:18
lcuk	or https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/<package name and version>/	02:18
timeless_mbp	lcuk: that so doesn't count	02:18
lcuk	https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=2	02:19
lcuk	which do you need :P	02:19
timeless_mbp	that last one	02:20
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crashanddie	son of a bitch	02:20
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: could someone please fix the queues to not wrap so aggressively ?	02:20
crashanddie	light is giving up on me just for my last fag before 24h	02:20
GeneralAntilles	crashanddie, it's a sign!	02:20
timeless_mbp	lcuk: ok... so what does that mean anyway?	02:21
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles, and I'm a smoker, I've got lighters all over the fucking non smoking room :P	02:21
lcuk	timeless, items drop off the queue and without the other links go into a blackhole until you hear about it on inbox	02:23
lcuk	the other links let you see em	02:23
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crashanddie	I wish I had mod points: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1419143&cid=29879213	02:24
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timeless_mbp	lcuk: so... where is gettext now?	02:27
timeless_mbp	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ has it	02:28
lcuk	xfade says it takes upto an hour to end up in the repos	02:28
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lcuk	if it passed	02:28
lcuk	but its not finished building yet has it	02:29
lcuk	its copying stuff over atm	02:29
lcuk	this is a completed build: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/fuelpad_0.82-fremantle2/	02:29
lcuk	the file layout here is the same	02:30
lcuk	yours will build into that	02:30
lcuk	and results sent to you when completed	02:30
crashanddie	bye bye all	02:30
lcuk	cya seb	02:31
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lcuk	timeless, its goin a bit slow!	02:57
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penguinbait	well speed things up	03:01
lcuk	i meant his build :P	03:01
penguinbait	I stand by the statement	03:01
lcuk	you are the council, please go and switch the builder into "performance" mode	03:01
penguinbait	Thats a lot of paperwork	03:02
lcuk	heh	03:02
penguinbait	hows the job hunt going?	03:03
lcuk	as well as i can expect, but i wont know until the day i get one	03:04
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Firebird	woo, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=358686#post358686	03:05
lcuk	ive gotta go to town tomorrow for some local job stuff	03:05
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lcuk	Firebird, w00t	03:08
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mau_mex	Hi everyone	03:27
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pupnik_	hi	03:35
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solarion	pupnik_: hey	03:37
pupnik_	hi sir solarion	03:37
pupnik_	what can we make n900s do that will sell beelions?	03:38
pupnik_	lardman is on the right track	03:38
pupnik_	- stufflikethat -	03:38
* pupnik_ waves hands vaguely		03:38
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* lcuk has ideas		03:39
lcuk	do something your competitors arent doing, and do it well	03:39
lcuk	find new markets which have been abandoned by iphoneism	03:39
* solarion only does niche things		03:39
* solarion is very sad to not know when he'll get the hardware		03:40
lcuk	for every iphone person out there, there are 100 who want a phont that does the job solidly and reliably without flashy gimmicks	03:40
lcuk	the people who dont "get" gestures	03:40
solarion	lcuk: then the n900 isn't for them.	03:40
lcuk	or strange flashy ui	03:40
lcuk	not dextrous enough	03:40
lcuk	solarion, it is	03:40
derf	It's nothing to do with "dextrous".	03:41
code177	evening all	03:41
lcuk	have you ever seen an older person trying to swipe?	03:41
derf	It's about being able to do something repeatably, when you have no feedback other than "success" or "failure" at the end.	03:41
* lcuk nods		03:41
lcuk	hi code177	03:41
code177	i've been busy making myself unpopular lol	03:41
solarion	code177: don't we all	03:42
lcuk	cool, which thread?	03:42
solarion	I want chocolate	03:42
derf	I play piano. My fingers are plenty dextrous. I cannot _stand_ gestures.	03:42
lcuk	:) derf	03:43
code177	lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33519	03:43
derf	I've actually entirely disabled the touchpad on my laptop.	03:43
lcuk	derf, on the n900	03:43
lcuk	you can disable the extra desktops	03:43
solarion	heh	03:43
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lcuk	and so it doesnt try to swipe on the front	03:43
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derf	lcuk: Good.	03:43
lcuk	and every button press is solid and reliable	03:43
solarion	The Apple ad misses the part where Mac takes her box and puts a big honking lock on it	03:43
kynky	comparing the iphone to windows mobile, windows mobile can run many apps at once, but not exactly the most stable/smooth experience	03:44
lcuk	derf, the haptics make buttons presses feel right	03:44
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lcuk	its obviously not perfect, but its a lot better than nothing	03:44
derf	lcuk: So absolutely nothing like the N810?	03:44
lcuk	dunno, never feflt a rumble on 810	03:45
lcuk	felt	03:45
lcuk	code177, its a bit of a can of worms	03:45
derf	I just meant pressing the buttons on the keyboard.	03:45
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lcuk	oh, the hard keyboard is different - i meant onscreen presses	03:45
derf	They were ridiculously hard to press, and it's next to impossible to tell if you've pressed one or not.	03:45
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code177	lcuk: I'll say	03:46
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derf	lcuk: Ohhh.	03:46
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lcuk	get your hands on one, lots of folks have been pleasantly surprised by the keyboard	03:46
* lcuk is too		03:46
derf	Well, it would be hard to be disappointed, unless it were the same.	03:46
lcuk	lots are saying its better	03:46
lcuk	that smaller actually helps	03:47
lcuk	for reach with thumbs etc	03:47
lcuk	people at barcamp were more than impressed	03:47
derf	Anyway, you don't need to sell me on the thing.	03:47
lcuk	lol	03:48
lcuk	you sure	03:48
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lcuk	code177, i just closed rather than posted something big and long	03:48
derf	Well, I had second thoughts after they snubbed me with the developer program.	03:48
mau_mex	hi, have someone use the N900 with a carkit as a Nokia end eaven an "N" series I dobt it have any problem , but want to know (A2DP & AVRCP) profiles	03:48
code177	lcuk: *facepalm	03:49
lcuk	no code177 i need to think more before i get involved :)	03:49
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code177	lol	03:49
code177	which side of the fence are you coming down on then	03:49
lcuk	i am the fence	03:49
code177	blimey	03:50
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code177	I'm not sure really why my question caused so much kufuffle	03:50
lcuk	its been brewing for a while	03:50
code177	i ant to sell my app, and give it away to my maemo.org pals	03:50
code177	seems reasonable	03:51
code177	yeah i guess it was bound to come up eventually	03:51
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lcuk	it all depends on the history of the app	03:51
lcuk	and what libs it uses	03:51
code177	FOSS mindset vs I-Have-Bills-To-Pay mindset too.	03:51
* lcuk nods heavily. i have bills to pay and very open source principles.		03:52
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code177	you must be very tormented ;)	03:53
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lcuk	not tormented, just worried whether ill find a path so my ideas can flourish :)	03:54
code177	defo an issue though	03:55
code177	well i've done community stuff on the net for years.. i've learned one thing	03:55
code177	fame is awesome, and giving to people make syou wamr and fuzzy inside. It also looks good on your resume if you do something really awesome. In the end I lost a lot of hours and money and had nothing to show for it, because the internet world keeps on spinning.	03:56
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solarion	code177: which user are you on tmo?	03:56
code177	I plan to sell out the first opportunity i get	03:56
code177	O	03:56
code177	code177 lol	03:56
solarion	must've missed it then	03:56
solarion	ah, yep	03:56
* solarion is dumb ;)		03:56
lcuk	im in a catch 22, i want to continue developing and polishing liqbase but if i find a job i have to realistically concentrate there and pull back from liqbase (unless the job was liqbase), or the family gets no food	03:57
code177	lol	03:57
solarion	is the dev discount the same for us and europe?	03:57
code177	apparently	03:57
solarion	that kinda sucks	03:57
solarion	still is $100 off, tho	03:57
code177	sya	03:57
code177	ya	03:57
code177	See the thing is, I only wanna sell my app for like, one euro	03:58
* solarion can't be called to be biting the hand that feeds him, so he can say that. ;)		03:58
solarion	I just want a "donate" button	03:58
code177	I'd like a donate button too but nobody ever pressed them	03:58
solarion	drop-down list with common numbers, or fill in the blank	03:58
solarion	code177: that's a human factors issue	03:58
code177	lol, read that as "fill the bank"	03:58
lcuk	do that for all apps	03:58
code177	was like, hell yes.	03:58
lcuk	the developers of open or closed just set a minimum	03:58
solarion	put a drop-down with a sane default and a donate button that works just like buy	03:59
lcuk	open has to set 0	03:59
code177	that's a really good idea	03:59
lcuk	let users choose what they want for everything - so if billgates really likes an app even if its closed he can support the devs	03:59
lcuk	and pay $100000	03:59
solarion	lcuk: nah, make the default a small, generally agreeable amount (EUR5 or something)	03:59
code177	lol 5 euros is like 8 bucks	03:59
solarion	you pay more for a cup of coffee; people will probably hit that	04:00
lcuk	solarion, the default level will find itself for closed apps	04:00
lcuk	entirely their choice	04:00
solarion	code177: and it's like a bajillion turkish lira; so?	04:00
solarion	in the US, make it $5	04:00
code177	ya ok	04:00
code177	actually	04:00
solarion	iirc, coffee was around EUR5	04:00
code177	for the record	04:00
code177	it's 11 turkish lira	04:00
code177	:P	04:01
solarion	did they redefine their currency like .ro?	04:01
code177	nope maybe you're thinking of some other place?	04:01
code177	maltese lira perhaps?	04:01
code177	duno	04:02
solarion	I don't think so	04:02
solarion	could translate it into lei vechi, if they were still legal currency. ;)	04:02
solarion	the lei rate is 1 RON = 10,000 lei vechi. ;)	04:03
* lcuk sleeps anyway		04:05
lcuk	gnite	04:05
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solarion	n8	04:06
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pupnik_	ohhh... http://www.xkcd.com/651/ Airport Security Discussions	04:08
SpeedEvil	:)	04:09
SpeedEvil	pupnik: If it goes really wrong - fall back on skills developed through http://xkcd.com/337/	04:09
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fureddo	What's the standard keyboard accelerator to quit an application on Fremantle's applications?	04:10
GeneralAntilles	There isn't one.	04:11
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solarion	uh-oh	04:11
GeneralAntilles	ctrl-backspace and tap X.	04:11
solarion	news just said hand sanitizer is 60% alcohol and that it's flammable	04:11
solarion	:)	04:12
pupnik_	awesome SpeedEvil	04:12
pupnik_	http://xkcd.com/337/	04:12
pupnik_	scary stories	04:12
fureddo	GeneralAntilles, So there are 2 standard keyboard accelerators to quit?	04:12
GeneralAntilles	Um, no?	04:12
GeneralAntilles	There are no _shortcuts_ to quit.	04:12
fureddo	GeneralAntilles, Ah! Ok, then.	04:13
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Flandry	anything over 100 proof will burn, yeah	04:22
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infobot	I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power	05:35
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GeneralAntilles	Ah, Addison, classy as usualy.	05:37
GeneralAntilles	s/ly/l/	05:37
infobot	GeneralAntilles meant: Ah, Addison, classy as usual.	05:37
zerojay	GeneralAntilles: What is he doing now? lol	05:38
GeneralAntilles	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=358738#post358738	05:39
zerojay	Can themes also change ringtones?	05:40
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esaym153	anyway to adjust how quickly the n810 adjusts the backlight to changing light conditions? At default it seems slow to change the light output...	05:55
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pupnik_	good question	05:58
Xisdibik	do any of you linux savvy people know what this means? :) http://pastebin.com/d477f5565	05:59
pupnik_	what are you doing to that poor n900	06:02
pupnik_	?	06:02
Xisdibik	wasnt in n900	06:03
Xisdibik	was trying to boot a Fedora 12 beta live USB ;)	06:03
Xisdibik	but i like you guys better so i asked here ;)	06:03
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pupnik_	ah, thanks	06:03
pupnik_	just as confused now, but not caring	06:03
pupnik_	:)	06:03
Xisdibik	:)	06:04
tarek__	Hey, are there any chances the USB host mode can be enabled on the n900?	06:04
pupnik_	no	06:05
tarek__	:(	06:05
pupnik_	but maybe workaround with a powered hub	06:05
pupnik_	not sure bout that	06:05
Xisdibik	well maybe they are enabling it with the extra month they have our precious phones? :(	06:06
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tarek__	I hope so	06:06
tarek__	I can't wait anymore :D	06:06
Xisdibik	that and a true compass: D	06:06
pupnik_	would you rather deal with a seperate power plug and no usb charging - to get host mode?	06:07
tarek__	I want the whole package :D	06:07
pupnik_	then next device may need two usb ports, one for trickle charging, the other for host mode. from what i read.	06:07
pupnik_	s/trickle//	06:08
infobot	pupnik_ meant: then next device may need two usb ports, one for charging, the other for host mode. from what i read.	06:08
Xisdibik	pupnik_: if they have a USB to proprietary power plug adapter then sure	06:08
Xisdibik	or two usb ports	06:08
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pupnik_	they might be able to violate usb spec and allow both charging and host mode someday	06:09
pupnik_	but nokia can't hand-roll all their parts	06:09
pupnik_	micro-usb or smth	06:09
pupnik_	i'm just parroting what i read recently so don't quote me	06:09
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Xisdibik	im actualy not caring that much about host mode	06:10
Xisdibik	i havnt ever thought of a situation i need it	06:10
Xisdibik	I guess im not as hardcore as the rest of you guys ;)	06:10
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pupnik_	it does cut down on the swiss army knife factor	06:11
pupnik_	but the device includes so much already..	06:11
pupnik_	but for e.g. you could do kickbutt multichannel recording with the 3430 speed	06:12
pupnik_	with a nice external adc box with own battery power	06:12
pupnik_	something by apogee perhaps	06:12
pupnik_	and the recording studio goes with you on lunch break	06:12
pupnik_	genius	06:12
pupnik_	except, no. oops. no host mode.	06:12
Xisdibik	but do i do kickbutt multichannel recordings?	06:13
Xisdibik	in all honesty i dont even know half of what you said :)	06:14
pupnik_	it would be a niche application that rapidly-developed maemo app could fill perfectly	06:14
pupnik_	e.g. ovi store. and pay to heat my butt in winter.	06:14
pupnik_	tellin ya, recording engineers would enjoy this clutter ui and slidey things	06:15
pupnik_	not something they'd need to pull out the stylus to use	06:16
Xisdibik	heh	06:16
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Xisdibik	is anyone here super familiar with Conky the sysinfo program	06:17
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tarek__	seems not	06:19
Xisdibik	thats fine :)	06:19
tarek__	I used it some time ago	06:20
tarek__	but I don't consider myself a super familiar. or even familiar	06:20
Xisdibik	i cant seem to find online, or through people i know who use it, if it supports unicode text (specifically for asian character's being displayed)	06:20
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tarek__	I would like to know if it supports arabic too :)	06:21
Xisdibik	:)	06:24
Xisdibik	well ill try to remember to let you know if i ever find out	06:24
tarek__	thanks	06:24
Xisdibik	id be curious to see if someone can port over iBus to maemo	06:28
Xisdibik	would be awesome for typing in other languages	06:28
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tarek__	you made me notice something	06:31
tarek__	bad	06:31
tarek__	awful	06:31
tarek__	the device might not be released in egypt (my country) due to lack of arabic support!	06:32
tarek__	now i'll panic	06:32
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timeless_mbp	tarek__: define lack of arabic support	06:37
timeless_mbp	note that the original target markets for the n900 clearly do not include countries w/ RTL or Ruby requirements	06:38
tank-man	too good to be true? -> NOKIA N900 NEW QUAD BAND GSM UNLOCKED Call me for pick up - $375 http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/mob/1425215392.html	06:41
timeless_mbp	that said, more testing has been done for RTL support w/ the n900 than i expected (i was actually surprised that we did any testing at all)	06:42
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timeless_mbp	tank-man: odd	06:42
tarek__	arabic is not in the lang specs. Neither is any other RTL like you said	06:43
Xisdibik	tank-man: maybe a prototype/	06:43
tank-man	last line sound sarcastic tho "Please call me and tell me exactly when to take my day off from work so i can show you the phone."	06:43
Xisdibik	tarek__: just learn english and teach egypt english, then your set ;)	06:43
Xisdibik	imho thats a small sacrifice for a n900	06:44
timeless_mbp	is egypt one of those funny countries w/ rules about devices w/ integrated gps?	06:44
Xisdibik	timeless_mbp: did you happen to read the thing i mentioned about ibus, do you think it would even be remotely possible to do?	06:44
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tarek__	Egypt used to ban gps, but not anymore	06:45
tarek__	And I always thought that was funny	06:46
timeless_mbp	:)	06:46
tarek__	and I speak English quite good :)	06:46
timeless_mbp	anyway, my vague impression is that we were not actively targeting the middle east with this device	06:46
timeless_mbp	but some groups filed bugs against the browser complaining about its handling of RTL pages	06:46
Xisdibik	by the way, whats RTL stand for>	06:47
timeless_mbp	i can't remember if we fixed the relevant bugs, but i'd expect that if we get a chance to update the browser, we will fix the one main bug	06:47
timeless_mbp	Right-to-Left	06:47
tarek__	right to left?	06:47
Xisdibik	ah	06:47
timeless_mbp	Xisdibik: you write sentences from Left-to-Right	06:47
Xisdibik	only because they make me!	06:47
timeless_mbp	in the Middle East, most languages are written the other way around	06:47
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timeless_mbp	It makes for fun problems	06:48
pupnik_	us pentagon investing more heavily in occupation technology	06:48
pupnik_	wrong chan dammit!	06:48
Xisdibik	i can see that being an issue timeless_mbp :)	06:48
Xisdibik	how about my question :D	06:48
timeless_mbp	i think i was sleeping :)	06:48
Xisdibik	timeless_mbp: did you happen to read the thing i mentioned about ibus, do you think it would even be remotely possible to do?	06:49
timeless_mbp	what is ibus?	06:49
Xisdibik	there it is for you again ;)	06:49
Xisdibik	its like SCIM, or microsofts IME	06:49
timeless_mbp	no, i was sleeping the first time you mentioned it	06:49
timeless_mbp	sorry, and what do you want to do, plug in an IME that actually works?	06:50
Xisdibik	the japanese one works extremely well, sofar as well as microsofts IME	06:50
Xisdibik	well it allows me to type in japanese using an english keyboard	06:50
Xisdibik	like so: こんばんわ	06:50
timeless_mbp	my favorite oddity about our platform is that we've internally had a fairly good IME for chinese iirc	06:50
timeless_mbp	but we never shipped it	06:50
Xisdibik	heh	06:51
timeless_mbp	this dates to maemo 1 iiuc	06:51
Xisdibik	well take a look at ibus	06:51
Xisdibik	its very handy	06:51
Xisdibik	not many dependancies either	06:51
timeless_mbp	this is unlike rtl, where most of the apps had no testing until recently	06:51
Xisdibik	and i know theres at least a QT4 module for it	06:51
timeless_mbp	tarek__: if i were management, and i'm not	06:52
timeless_mbp	i'd look around and say "ooh, Qt claims to have great RTL support, we can magically ship a Qt based product to RTL countries"	06:52
timeless_mbp	(totally bogus logic)	06:52
timeless_mbp	it's probably worth noting that the user guide for the n810 was also available in arabic	06:53
* timeless_mbp never quite figured out why		06:53
Xisdibik	heh	06:53
tarek__	well I don't really need the RTL support	06:53
tarek__	I just want the phone	06:53
timeless_mbp	then you don't have a problem :)	06:53
Xisdibik	tarek___ does arabic have a way of writing arabic using english or latin characters?	06:53
tarek__	yes	06:53
timeless_mbp	Xisdibik: yes	06:53
Xisdibik	can you write a sample word for me?	06:53
timeless_mbp	but i'm not sure what portion of the population can deal w/ it	06:53
timeless_mbp	there's one or two countries which actually went that way	06:53
tarek__	a7med	06:54
* timeless_mbp is too asleep to remember which/where		06:54
tarek__	it's a mix between letters and numbers	06:54
Xisdibik	i see	06:54
Xisdibik	unfortauntely i just checked the microsoft IME and they dont have arabic :(	06:54
tarek__	it's used in all of the middle east	06:54
Xisdibik	i was going to test it out :(	06:55
Xisdibik	i guess i can just try the arabic (101) keyboard layout	06:55
Xisdibik	ش7ةثي	06:55
Xisdibik	nope	06:55
Xisdibik	;)	06:55
tarek__	there is microsoft marine that does transliteration to arabic letters from this way of writing	06:55
timeless_mbp	"marine"?	06:56
tarek__	and maren	06:57
tarek__	sorry	06:57
timeless_mbp	hrm	06:57
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timeless_mbp	have people tried (ms) seadragon on their n900?	06:57
tarek__	google does that too	06:57
Xisdibik	whats seadragon?	06:57
Xisdibik	and send me my n900 and maybe i will ;)	06:57
timeless_mbp	seadragon.com	06:58
Xisdibik	interesting	07:00
tarek__	timeless_mbp: are you in the maemo development?	07:00
tank-man	that seadragon is so slow on my desktop	07:00
timeless_mbp	i work on the browser for maemo, yes	07:00
timeless_mbp	tank-man: heh	07:00
tarek__	so you're in mozilla too	07:01
tarek__	that's nice	07:01
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timeless_mbp	:)	07:02
* timeless_mbp sings 1600 bugmails on the wall ... take one down, read it around, ... 1599 bugmails on the wall		07:03
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tarek__	got to go now	07:04
tarek__	ttyl	07:04
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GAN900	<3 Comcast	07:06
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Flandry	crunch:~$ /opt/scratchbox/login	07:07
Flandry	ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up	07:07
Flandry	you've got to be kidding me	07:07
Flandry	that's the third time the sdk has self destructed	07:07
timeless_mbp	heh	07:08
* timeless_mbp takes away Flandry 's license		07:08
timeless_mbp	get a vm, and use baselines	07:08
Flandry	take away Nokia's license	07:08
Flandry	there's just no excuse for a dev platform that dies every 24 hours	07:09
lcuk	extreme programming. get it done, the clock is ticking	07:09
Flandry	oh i see, it's a feature, not a bug :P	07:09
timeless_mbp	you're the first and only person i've heard of with a disintegrating scratchbox	07:09
lcuk	no, hes not	07:10
timeless_mbp	nah, lcuk 's practicing to join the marketing team	07:10
lcuk	i just woke up to find my sdk has orange light	07:10
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lcuk	timeless, think positive about everything :P	07:11
timeless_mbp	lcuk: are you testing my strings? :)	07:11
zerojay	Flandry: You're doing something to kill it. I'd like to know what.	07:11
timeless_mbp	i'm positive you could help me improve their quality if you tried	07:11
lcuk	i was sleeping until 2 minutes ago	07:12
timeless_mbp	it's ok, you don't have to test them while you sleep	07:12
lcuk	i agree, i can give you a hand tomorrow properly after im done with fam stuff	07:12
lcuk	i think i sussed the rgb cover screen for liqbase	07:12
lcuk	it takes about 0.75 seconds to convert YUV overlay image into an x11 pixmap	07:13
Flandry	i don't know what i could be doing different than everyone else	07:13
lcuk	im gonna push that onto the window, and close the overlay	07:13
lcuk	if i can startup my sdk	07:13
Flandry	this time around, i realized that the audio in SDK had died somewher along the way	07:13
Flandry	so i rebooted the system	07:14
lcuk	theres audio?	07:14
Flandry	scratchbox dead...	07:14
Flandry	yup	07:14
timeless_mbp	how did you reboot?	07:14
Flandry	lol	07:14
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timeless_mbp	sorry, i don't trust you	07:14
Flandry	i pushed the any key	07:14
Flandry	obviously	07:15
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lcuk	battery was overcharged	07:19
lcuk	how curious	07:19
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johnx	mornin'	07:21
timeless_mbp	hello	07:22
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cvandonderen	hmmm, can it be correct that the account-plugin-haze update from sunday doubles the battery usage?	07:32
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johnx	cvandonderen, as in battery drains twice as fast?	07:35
cvandonderen	johnx: yup	07:35
johnx	if that is the case it would explain my experience today	07:35
cvandonderen	I think libpurple0 is doing some weird stuff	07:36
cvandonderen	because I was even set to 'offline avaliability'	07:36
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cvandonderen	and still it drained like crazy and I didn't instal anything else	07:36
RST38h	uninstall it and see	07:41
RST38h	heya johnx	07:41
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johnx	hey RST38h	07:42
pupnik_	do we have power usage logging to mmc	07:43
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pupnik_	or website - might be fun to share use profiles as long as no privdata were shared	07:44
pupnik_	opt-in collect powertop type stats	07:45
johnx	cvandonderen, there's another update available today. I'm going to try installing that and see if it helps :)	07:45
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jaem	evening folks	07:47
luke-jr	pupnik_: wouldn't the MMC for logging increase the power use?	07:47
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johnx	luke-jr, if it was done intelligently the increase would be trivial	07:47
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jaem	any chance someone with an SDK install could build me a binary of $arbitrary serial terminal for Diablo? I don't need it packaged or anything fancy, but I won't have access to my build box in time for a project deadline	07:49
jaem	minicom or something would work	07:49
luke-jr	johnx: if things were done intelligently, KDE 4.3 would use 32 MB RAM at most	07:49
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johnx	luke-jr, apples and oranges	07:50
cvandonderen	johnx: which update?	07:50
cvandonderen	libpurple0 is still the one from 24-10-09	07:50
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johnx	i was thinking the account plugin haze was new, but it's actually just not installable for me :/	07:52
cvandonderen	hmm	07:53
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cvandonderen	well, 24/7 charging for me then till the update comse :-P	07:53
cvandonderen	*comes	07:53
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RST38h	johnx: there is a cross-dependency problewm	08:12
RST38h	johnx: You have to remove haze and idle first, then install the new versions	08:12
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johnx	RST38h, yeah, guessed that :)	08:34
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wazd	mornin' everybody	08:43
jaem	hi, wazd	08:43
tekojo	morning	08:44
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* timeless_mbp pokes people		08:49
* timeless_mbp wants testers		08:49
jaem	person is poked	08:49
jaem	oh?	08:49
jaem	for what?	08:49
timeless_mbp	translation	08:49
jaem	requirements for testing?	08:49
timeless_mbp	n900	08:49
jaem	not yet!	08:49
timeless_mbp	you could test the tool on an n8x0	08:50
timeless_mbp	(or mer)	08:50
jaem	okay, sure	08:50
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tekojo	timeless_mbp what tool, you got me interested if it's on-device	08:55
timeless_mbp	it is	08:56
tekojo	Ok, I can be a guinea pig	08:57
timeless_mbp	woohoo :)	08:58
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timeless_mbp	note that you guys get to be guinea pigs for the streamlined version of things	08:58
timeless_mbp	well, at least tekojo	08:58
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_Pete_	howdy!	09:04
_Pete_	what I need to do to enable ssh-logins via my wlan-network where n900 is connected to?	09:05
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timeless_mbp	openssh-server ?	09:07
_Pete_	it has that	09:08
_Pete_	and is in rd mode	09:08
timeless_mbp	you don't really want to use rd mode	09:08
_Pete_	logins work via usb-network but when connected to wlan not even ping passes between desktop<->n900	09:08
_Pete_	I do since I develop for n900	09:08
* timeless_mbp doesn't use usb networking		09:09
timeless_mbp	you probably need to fiddle w/ routing	09:09
timeless_mbp	iirc there's a package to help w/ that	09:09
Corsac	hey there	09:09
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_Pete_	timeless_mbp: ic, any hints about packagename ?	09:11
timeless_mbp	pc connectivity perhaps?	09:11
* timeless_mbp shrugs		09:11
* timeless_mbp would suggest using WiFi to connect desktop to n900		09:12
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Passeli	_Pete_: maemo-pc-connectivity	09:27
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_Pete_	Passeli: thx	09:31
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_Pete_	Passeli: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ ?	09:58
_Pete_	that only speaks setting usb-network, which already wors	09:59
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hrw	morning	10:15
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hrw	question: does application manager in fremantle allows to select few packages to install?	10:15
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yigal	man maemo has changed so much since the n900, maemo is so much better than Android I hope people see that truth, man i'm drunk :)	10:17
Passeli	_Pete_: http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html	10:18
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qwerty12_N810	hrw: Hiya. Nope, it's still in true Maemo style: one package at a time :-)	10:19
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:21
hrw	qwerty12_N810: crap	10:21
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yigal	morning wow that elicited quite an outburst from hrw :)	10:22
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Khertan	http://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.5-py2deb/ <<--- make me feeling that it ll be simpler to make my own repository and my own bugtracker ? back to the time when we got many repository ?	10:28
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Khertan	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/python2.5-py2deb/0.5.1-2/	10:28
Khertan	jeremiah: hi, are you here ?	10:29
X-Fade	Khertan: just ping andre to create you a component in bugzilla?	10:30
Khertan	X-Fade: hum ... and does i need to ping it every time i made a new version to create it too ?	10:31
hrw	yigal: ;D	10:31
hrw	maemo still has python 2.5.x not 2.6.x?	10:31
Khertan	hrw: yep	10:31
hrw	:(	10:31
Khertan	same	10:31
hrw	the worst thing is that "maemo is based on Debian" but is not compatible with any release of Debian rather	10:32
Khertan	hrw: did you want to have a outdated system ? </troll>	10:33
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hrw	Khertan: maemo is outdated. none of my Debian setups are	10:34
Khertan	:)	10:34
dottedmag	that's why Slind did not say anything about Debian, and IPlinux says "inspired", not "based on".	10:35
dottedmag	ah, Slind said "Debian-influenced" :)	10:35
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Jaffa	Khertan: I believe you can manage your own versions. However, I think `XSBC-Bugtracker: mailto:khertan@khertan.com' should be valid. The "specification" says URL; it doesn't specify it has to be HTTP ;-)	10:52
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X-Fade	Yes, any url should be valid.	10:53
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X-Fade	Although it defeats the purpose a bit.	10:53
qwerty12_N810	XSBC-Bugtracker: www.goatse.cz	10:53
Jaffa	X-Fade: Well, the purpose wasn't fully defined ever; and the fieldname itself is inconsistent with the other Maemo-specific fields. It should be XB-Maemo-Bugtracker (probably; not sure we need it in S & C)	10:56
Jaffa	qwerty12_N810: That's a hostname, not a URL ;-p	10:56
qwerty12_N810	Gah!	10:56
X-Fade	Jaffa: The idea was to be able to use it in Debian and Ubuntu too.	10:57
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X-Fade	Jaffa: Lead by example :)	10:57
Jaffa	X-Fade: Having a bug tracker as a MUST requirement for Extrras doesn't make sense for everything IMHO. Especially since the really trivial things can have comments left against a specific version & build on the packages UI	10:57
Jaffa	X-Fade: Was it discussed with Debian & Ubuntu? ;-)	10:58
X-Fade	Jaffa: Discuss the bugtracker requirement on the list?	10:58
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Jaffa	X-Fade: I've put it on the Talk: wiki page for it. We seem to be spreading out the topics even more with the mailing lists, brainstorm, talk and wiki pages.	11:00
X-Fade	Jaffa: Yeah, wiki page is fine.	11:00
petur	eek.. it looks like vdv100 has his gmail account hacked :/	11:00
Jaffa	petur: Yeah, I was seeing if he was here to poke VDVsx	11:01
X-Fade	Jaffa: Quim just created a first draft, now is the time to discuss.	11:01
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Jaffa	X-Fade: I'm not actually seeing any discussion, though. Bit of a black hole (perhaps I should push harder or I'm just too busy elsewhere to notice)	11:02
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X-Fade	Jaffa: That is where you can help ;)	11:03
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jeremiah	I think debian already has a Bug tracker URL in control, but it is optional	11:04
X-Fade	jeremiah: couldn't find anything before I suggested the current one.	11:04
jeremiah	Well, there are URLs for 'upstream' and 'VCS'	11:05
jeremiah	But perhaps not specifically bugs now that I think about it.	11:05
X-Fade	jeremiah: Yeah, the VCS ones are something we should also support in the future.	11:06
X-Fade	That would be a nice thing to have.	11:06
* fatal^ could probably spread some light on how the debian bts works if you really want to know..... not sure exactly which detail you're discussing though.		11:06
Jaffa	X-Fade: Writing -developers email	11:06
jeremiah	Although often this field Homepage: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Starter/	11:06
jeremiah	leads to a bug tracker	11:06
X-Fade	jeremiah: Homepage is supported already.	11:06
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jeremiah	cool	11:07
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jeremiah	I didn't know that, maybe that should be a minimae check	11:07
jeremiah	Or do you check for it?	11:07
X-Fade	Jaffa: I fixed the issue which caused the Vim icon not to show btw.	11:08
X-Fade	jeremiah: It is not required.	11:08
jeremiah	ah, okay	11:09
Khertan	X-Fade: i see that the py2deb and homeip icon is show too in package testing queue list	11:09
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X-Fade	Khertan: Yeah, all icons should work now.	11:09
X-Fade	Even the external ones ;) http://maemo.org/packages/view/bounce/	11:10
Khertan	X-Fade: i think this is because my icon wasn't in png but in jpg ... yes i know but image application in n900 doesn't allow to save image in png as it does in Maemo4	11:10
Khertan	s/wasn't/aren't	11:11
X-Fade	Khertan: jpgs should also work.	11:11
ccooke	Morning, all	11:12
X-Fade	Khertan: Although png is preferred.	11:12
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Khertan	X-Fade: it s works ... but yep it s lack of transparency	11:12
Khertan	(due to jpg)	11:12
X-Fade	Yep, that is why you should use png if you want to do anything fancy ;)	11:13
Khertan	yep	11:13
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hrw	http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/27/qgraphicsview-is-a-hummer-plasma-is-the-luxury-version/	11:17
Jaffa	X-Fade: cool.	11:19
Jaffa	(on the vim icon)	11:19
Jaffa	vim only has 5 thumbs up: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vim/7.2-0maemo5 :-/	11:19
X-Fade	Jaffa: Everybody else is Emacs fan? :)	11:20
Corsac	can I thumb up without having the stuff? :)	11:21
Jaffa	Corsac: No, you should thumb up after testing the application	11:22
hrw	Jaffa: it is 7.2 or 7.2 with all update patches?	11:23
Corsac	Jaffa: ok, count me in when/if I have one ;p	11:24
Corsac	an advance on thumb :/	11:25
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Jaffa	hrw: It's 7.2 from the upstream tarball	11:28
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wazd	VDVsx - old dirty spammer :)	11:28
petur	s/old//	11:30
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hrw	Jaffa: so it is old. thumb down	11:32
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Jaffa	hrw: Old has nothing to do with the QA checklist. Upgrade is a feature request.	11:32
* qwerty12_N810 gets the popcorn ready for the smackdown		11:32
hrw	qwerty12_N810: ;D	11:32
Jaffa	hrw: Feel free to email the maintainers with which updates you want (I assume from http://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/patches/7.2/)	11:34
Jaffa	hrw: I suppose it would be trivial to dump all those patches into mud-builder/packages/vim.pkg/patches/	11:35
hrw	Jaffa: probably. will wait anyway until n900 in hands	11:35
hrw	for n810 I do not use anything other then mediaplayer	11:36
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Corsac	brr, the "dubious content" is a bit scary	11:47
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anidel	good morning	12:29
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xnt14[sleep]	have to go to school, g2g	12:58
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lardman	lcuk: pvrtune might be what you're after for the PowerVR re top	13:08
lardman	http://www.imgtec.com/pvrnewsletter/PowerVR_Insider_Issue12_Oct09.pdf quite interesting	13:09
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kulve	" his	13:12
kulve	utility is only available under NDA.	13:12
kulve	"	13:12
lardman	indeed	13:12
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lardman	does the fact that dragging a desktop shortcut enables the edit mode drive other people mad?	13:21
lardman	I can never seem to start the phone app when I'm walking along, instead it thinks I want to move icons.	13:21
X-Fade	lardman: Enable turning detection?	13:23
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anidel	or press power-button -> phone	13:25
qwerty12_N810	lardman: Don't use the phone functionality?	13:25
anidel	didn't know that dragging an icon would enable edit! never happened to me	13:25
anidel	qwerty then it'd be a very expensive tablet	13:26
X-Fade	anidel: It doesn't, but clicking on the desktop does.	13:26
anidel	ah on an empty space.. that is it	13:26
X-Fade	So if you click next to the icon, you get this.	13:26
X-Fade	Fat finger syndrom ;)	13:26
anidel	ehe	13:27
anidel	qwerty but using the N900 with a data only SIM card + a normal phone.. would be an ideal solution :)	13:27
qwerty12_N810	lardman; it all fits...	13:27
qwerty12_N810	anidel: Hehe :)	13:27
ccooke	I actually like the n900 as a phone	13:29
ccooke	it seems to have been designed to streamline the things I do most often	13:29
ccooke	there are things I'd want to improve on, but...	13:29
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anidel	qwerty actually is not a bad idea.. I always liked the idea of a Internet Tablet that is not a phone	13:33
qwerty12_N810	I would've once agreed with that but now, I can't help but feel that having the phone functionality is very useful	13:34
zerojay	same here.	13:36
SpeedEvil	qwerty is a horrible idea. I wonder what a keyboard optimised for error recovery would look like.	13:36
anidel	qwerty: I don't.. it's cramped in features and slowish. When I get a call with a keyboard open I tend to close the keyboard, this makes Phone app to rotate.. in the meanwhile I can't answer.	13:36
anidel	I should answer first then close and speak	13:37
SpeedEvil	Or more sanely, it would make the phone app answer	13:37
anidel	and the way I use it.. always... the battery doesn't last long :) so..	13:37
anidel	having a small phone for actuall GSM calls would be nice .. to me at least	13:38
X-Fade	anidel: bt headset.	13:38
SpeedEvil	I have a nk3330, that you can buy for only 49.99!	13:38
anidel	x-fade so to kill the battery even more ? :)	13:38
X-Fade	anidel: No need to even touch your phone in that case.	13:38
anidel	I should use the provided headsets.. but I don't really use them that much..	13:38
qwerty12_N810	anidel: Grr, I still remember the horrible phone you had when we met, so I can't take your opinion seriously, sorry :p	13:39
anidel	qwerty: sold out :)	13:39
qwerty12_N810	hehe	13:39
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anidel	qwerty: in this case I wouldn't use that phone.. but a regular phone just for calls and few things more :) not a 'smartphone'	13:39
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anidel	anwyay.. I'm just thinking out loud here :)	13:39
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anidel	but I'm liking this idea.. only issue, I have a contract already with vodafone :) can't remove the internet from there and have a mobile broadband contract	13:40
SpeedEvil	anidel: you're in the UK?	13:40
SpeedEvil	I forgot.	13:40
hendry	what's the most uptodate kernel build availible for diablo? i need newer features than 2.6.21	13:40
anidel	speedevil: yep I am	13:40
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SpeedEvil	anidel: Well - there is the option of a free contract - with cashback	13:41
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SpeedEvil	anidel: http://www.onecompare.com/buy-a-mobile-phone/best-mobile-phone-deals.asp?skn=moneysavingexpert&SearchID=1220181&manufacturer=&model=	13:42
SpeedEvil	anidel: these offer cashback deals that pay the rental on your phone, if you complete the forms right. They are intentionally easy to get wrong.	13:42
anidel	let me see what is that	13:42
SpeedEvil	But it means that you can have a 35 quid/month contract free, if you complete the steps as stipulated.	13:43
anidel	but I already pay for my Internet :) well it's only 5 £ a month	13:43
anidel	but still	13:43
anidel	we'll have a look though	13:44
SpeedEvil	select how I use my phone, enter minutes and stuff. then click update my results, select something like a nokia 1208	13:44
anidel	but it says: There are no more deals to display.	13:44
anidel	ah ok	13:44
SpeedEvil	The web and walk internet option is 1G/mo	13:45
anidel	how these work?	13:46
anidel	where do they get their money from?	13:46
SpeedEvil	The network pays a considerable fe to vendors to get new subs.	13:46
SpeedEvil	In the hope that the subs will continue on the network	13:46
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SpeedEvil	That, and the fact that it's made intentionally difficult to claim in some of them - you have to send multiple things by post by deadline dates.	13:47
SpeedEvil	So many people forget	13:47
anidel	and pay	13:47
SpeedEvil	yes	13:47
SpeedEvil	And of course, you'll need to PAC out at the end of the term if you want to keep the number	13:48
SpeedEvil	(and not pay the ongoing fee)	13:48
anidel	right..	13:49
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SpeedEvil	It's a hastle. But it's also the thick end of 300 quid.	13:50
Suurorca	talk about nice and simple...	13:50
anidel	:)	13:52
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wazd	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdkwEipL9SI <- ok, now THAT is oldschool :D	14:15
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Flyser_	Which bootloader will the N900 use?	14:20
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Stskeeps	probably nokias own	14:20
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hrw	nolo again?	14:24
hrw	I hope that this time I will get good bootloader not the buggy one which was in n810	14:25
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wazd	Suddenly I've received a strange mental wave from the Universe and now I can make DHTML markups on the fly :)	14:26
wazd	Can hez Qt wave plz? :)	14:26
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Khertan	No space left on device ...	14:30
Khertan	gurk ....	14:30
Khertan	apt-get install pyside-gui	14:30
X-Fade	Khertan: not optified.	14:30
* Khertan still think that doing a so small / partition is a bad idea		14:30
Khertan	X-Fade: there so few things which is optified	14:31
X-Fade	Khertan: root is fast storage. Big storage is a bit slower.	14:31
Khertan	X-Fade: yes ... but what is power/fast when you can't use it	14:31
Khertan	:)	14:31
pablo_	hi guys, i created a .deb using Qt4-x11 but doesnt work.....appears this error .. Segmentation fault (core dumped) ...any Idea?	14:32
X-Fade	It just means that the frequently used system libs shoud be there. Not everything but the kitchen sink.	14:32
RST38h	moo wazd, Khertan, X-Fade	14:33
Khertan	X-Fade: at least ... qt isn't small ...	14:33
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Khertan	but frequenlty used libs	14:33
Flandry	i wonder if corrupted packages is the reason for my sdk env dying over and over	14:34
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X-Fade	Khertan: Yes, but pyside itself isn't.	14:34
Flandry	Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77xxxxxxxx/nokia-binaries/o/osso-countries-l10n/osso-countries-l10n-fifi_6.0+r6883+0m5_all.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 96.17.149.18 80]	14:34
Flandry	E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?	14:34
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X-Fade	Flandry: Intermittend problem?	14:35
X-Fade	s/d/t/	14:36
infobot	X-Fade meant: Flantry: Intermittend problem?	14:36
X-Fade	Hmm infobot doesn't like to replace only one char ;)	14:36
Flandry	lol	14:36
wazd	RST38h: no, nothing changed, hit again :)	14:36
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X-Fade	Flandry: Anyway, what I wanted to ask is if this is happening every time?	14:37
garbeam	how can I get a kernel stack trace in diablo, my kernel crashes for some reason	14:37
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Flandry	it happened yesterday during my third install	14:38
Flandry	i didn't watch as closely before that	14:38
Flandry	so i gave the same apt-get install command again and it seemed to complete	14:38
Flandry	but i don't know how well it recovers	14:38
X-Fade	Flandry: Looks like a temporary server issue in one of the massive number of caching servers.	14:38
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Flandry	well 3/3 times i've been watching (binaries,apps last time and binaries so far for today) it has occurred once during each install	14:41
garbeam	is it just me or is wiki.maemo.org broken?	14:41
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garbeam	I cannot access http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide	14:41
garbeam	this sucks	14:41
Flandry	and the sdk has died three times, so i'd really like to figure out what's wrong so every time people don't tell me i'm doing something wrong	14:42
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lcuk	Flandry, does your hard drive have corruptions	14:44
lcuk	or are you trying to do odd things with it	14:44
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Flandry	the second time it died there was a cycle in the /scratchbox tree	14:46
Flandry	so i used a different partition	14:46
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Flandry	do you ask because that's a known outcome, or just a likely cause?	14:47
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Flandry	fsck didn't find errors, but i can't get rid of the cyclic directories	14:48
lcuk	the only time my scratchbox died was in a vm and it got corrupted	14:48
ali1234	having a cycle in /scratchbox is normal	14:48
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Flandry	how do you get rid of it if scratchbox doesn't when it dies?	14:49
suihkulokki	/etc/init.d/scratchbox stop	14:49
suihkulokki	which is effectively /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop	14:49
Flandry	i did that	14:50
Flandry	i followed the uninstall directions and it apparently had screwed itself up too much to even die gracefully	14:50
suihkulokki	perhaps you had processess left running inside	14:51
Flandry	anyway, is apt likely to fix the broken download if i restart it or should i cut my loses and revert back to my backed up VM image now	14:51
Flandry	i'd really like to avoid installing 2GB of crap a fifth time :P	14:51
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Flandry	garbeam: was out for a second but working now	14:55
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hrw	beagleboard maemo5 someone?	14:58
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Stskeeps	working on it	15:00
Stskeeps	we are at a state sgx initializes and xorg and everything runs	15:01
Stskeeps	but nothing shows on screen	15:01
wazd	damn, SDK is refusing to install packages again :(	15:01
X-Fade	wazd: which ones?	15:02
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wazd	X-Fade: any from app manager	15:02
Flandry	oh yeah	15:02
hrw	Stskeeps: can I get kernel+rootfs?	15:02
Flandry	two of my three SDK installs have been that way	15:02
qwerty12_N810	wazd: Red Pill mode & Set assume internet connection to true. Also, install fakeroot-net using apt-get	15:03
X-Fade	wazd: And make sure dns resolution works.	15:03
wazd	qwerty12_N810: should I do it everytime I launch it?)	15:04
qwerty12_N810	Once should be enough :)	15:04
Flandry	Is it normal that nokia-apps wants to remove maemo-sdk-sounds?	15:05
X-Fade	lardman: python in build-depends ;)	15:05
qwerty12_N810	Flandry: Yep, it is. On the upside, you get a much better set of sounds...	15:05
Flandry	ah ok thanks	15:05
wazd	qwerty12_N810: I already did that "assume connection" but looks like it switched back	15:05
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qwerty12_N810	Odd	15:06
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Flandry	for me, it would let me long-click on the apps to get info, but tapping them wouldn't do anything	15:06
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wazd	well, at least I can drool at the stuff in SDK :D	15:07
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Flandry	happened for nokia-apps, too	15:09
Flandry	Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 96.17.149.18 80]	15:09
Flandry	Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/4bc3xxx/nokia-binaries/o/osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n/osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n-itit_6.0+r7220+0m5_all.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 96.17.149.18 80]	15:09
Flandry	E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?	15:09
Flandry	so that's 4/4 apt-get installs for nokia that have died	15:09
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Flandry	would it help if i got out and pushed?	15:10
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RST38h	POP3 Troubles Continue: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5839	15:13
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wazd	with all that screaming bout n900 that does multitasking and iPhone that does not - iPhone can be operated while insalling apps :)	15:16
RST38h	Most people who claim iPhone can't do multitasking do not know what multitasking is	15:16
Stskeeps	wazd, n900 can too	15:16
wazd	Stskeeps: hmm, how?	15:16
RST38h	Sts: Well it does get a bit slluggish when installing	15:17
RST38h	wazd: Does your Ubuntu desktop lock you app when installing a package?	15:17
RST38h	s/app/out/	15:17
infobot	RST38h meant: wazd: Does your Ubuntu desktop lock you out when installing a package?	15:17
qwerty12_N810	RST38h: gtk-update-icon-cache is faster, at least...	15:17
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Stskeeps	wazd, task switcher is active	15:18
RST38h	qwert: There are some problems with the MIME database, looks like the parser does not understand some common fields	15:18
wazd	RST38h: well, I don't really care what my Ubuntu des, I care bout what n900 does :)	15:18
RST38h	qwerty: And yes there is a bug for this :)	15:18
wazd	RST38h: it's like that annoying M4 "bluetooth ending" bug	15:18
wazd	RST38h: when you can't do anything until you receive the whole file over bt	15:18
qwerty12_N810	RST38h: I've seen them; but they don't really cause slowness IMHO	15:19
wazd	RST38h: It can be disabled, but for casual user it doesn't make any sense :)	15:19
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RST38h	qwerty: No, just annoyance	15:22
RST38h	wazd: N900 is not like that =)	15:22
RST38h	wazd:Has got plenty of other annyances but not this one	15:22
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Stskeeps	hrw: sorry, sec	15:26
Stskeeps	hrw: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started first steps	15:26
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wazd	damn, can't locate that n900-fmrx-enabler package	15:33
Stskeeps	extras?	15:33
X-Fade	-devel	15:33
RST38h	extras-testing or extras-devel	15:33
X-Fade	and -testing	15:34
wazd	Stskeeps: extras-devel, extras-testing, nothing	15:34
X-Fade	wazd: red pill	15:34
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: ping?	15:35
Flandry	wazd: same thing this sdk iteration: clicking on the apps does nothing	15:35
X-Fade	wazd: or just install fmradio	15:35
X-Fade	Flandry: That is not the case. the fmrx-enabler package is not a user package, so it isn't listed.	15:36
Flandry	fakeroot-net installed, red pill mode/assume net connection aren't related i think. I seems more like a UI issue	15:36
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, pong?	15:36
Flandry	sorry i was talking about his earlier report of app manager not installing apps	15:36
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Are you still able to add products to b.m.o?	15:36
GeneralAntilles	Ah, crap, yeah.	15:36
fiferboy	:)	15:36
GeneralAntilles	I got your email, haven't gotten around to it yet.	15:36
GeneralAntilles	Will do now.	15:36
wazd	X-Fade: already in red pill	15:37
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: No worries, just making sure the process was still the same	15:37
wazd	X-Fade: can't install fm radio cause I don't have that package	15:37
wazd	fiferboy: heya	15:37
hrw	Stskeeps: tx	15:37
fiferboy	Hi wazd. Keeping busy?	15:37
Flandry	haven't seen any solutions to this problem wazd, i just lucked out one of the times i installed sdk. I've been using apt-get	15:37
X-Fade	wazd: that is because in red pill mode it doesn't do dependency installs?	15:37
garbeam	Flandry: thx	15:38
wazd	X-Fade: ok, I'll try in blue	15:38
garbeam	so nobody knows how to get a kernel trace on maemo when a kernel panic happens?	15:38
wazd	fiferboy: well, not really :)	15:38
wazd	nope, app packages missing	15:39
fiferboy	wazd: Then I haven't been asking for enough help lately!	15:39
wazd	fiferboy: quick tip for your photo frame widget	15:39
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wazd	fiferboy: remove arrows, switch pictures by pressing on the sides of the picture	15:39
X-Fade	wazd: installs just fine for me.	15:40
fiferboy	wazd: Do you think it will be obvious enough to users? I can make the arrows really, really faint...	15:40
RST38h	fiferboy, wazd: can I suggest something?	15:40
RST38h	really simple?	15:40
fiferboy	RST38h: Go ahead.	15:40
X-Fade	fiferboy: look at 'Photos' app.	15:41
RST38h	fiferboy: Step away from having the image as a little widget at the desktop	15:41
fiferboy	X-Fade: For how you switch photos?	15:41
RST38h	fiferboy: Replace the whole background of the desktop where you show the image with your image and provide two semitransparent buttons on top, at the corners of the desktop	15:41
X-Fade	fiferboy: horizontal swipe ;)	15:41
fiferboy	X-Fade: That doesn't work on desktop widgets :(	15:42
X-Fade	fiferboy: hmm indeed	15:42
wazd	X-Fade: horizonal swipe swipes desktops	15:42
wazd	X-Fade: vertical is blocked	15:42
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qwerty12_N810	RST38h: +1	15:42
Flandry	This is the error i get when i click apps in app manager: hildon-desktop[1940]: GLIB WARNING ** default - mb_wm_client_window_sync_properties: X error 3	15:42
wazd	X-Fade: that's the modern way to "lock" widgets I guess :D	15:42
fiferboy	RST38h: Neat idea. I plan on having size options, so a 'full screen' would do what you want	15:42
Jaffa	RST38h: Most people who claim the iPhone can't do multitasking are referring to the user experience, which prevents two third-party applications from Apple - in an unjailbroken iPhone - from running at the same time. Anybody who claims that this is equivalent to "not knowing what multitasking is" is just a pedantic pedant with no grip on real world usage ;-p	15:42
RST38h	fiferboy: Would make it default really: most people want the photo as large as possible anyway :)	15:43
RST38h	Jaffa: Well as long as they handle state saving/loading properly that should not be much of a problem	15:43
fiferboy	RST38h: The problem would be (if it is still a desktop widget) users could put widgets over top, and then bring the photo widget to the top and hide all their other widgets	15:44
RST38h	fiferboy: stick the image to the bottom of the widget stack	15:44
fiferboy	It would be hard to get them back without removing everything from that desstop and adding them all in the right order	15:44
fiferboy	RST38h: Do you know if there is a way to control stacking besides user interaction?	15:44
Jaffa	RST38h: Except for the things which have state which can't be persisted (e.g. network connections) or are required to do work in the background. And now you're the one changing the meaning of 'multitasking'	15:44
RST38h	fiferboy: Well if it is an XWindow, you can set the hint	15:45
RST38h	fiferboy: that says "stay at the bottom"	15:45
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fiferboy	Hmm, that might work. I wonder it the user can override in desktop edit mode, though	15:45
RST38h	fiferboy: this is how Xroach creepies hide under your XWindows ;)	15:45
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RST38h	fiferboy: I am not sure what will happen in the edit mode, you will have to test	15:45
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RST38h	Jaffa: Yea, these will be problematic	15:46
fiferboy	RST38h: I will look into it	15:46
Stskeeps	hrw: do you have a beagle with LCD on the lcd header?	15:47
fiferboy	RST38h: The other problem with 'full screen' mode is what to do about the area at the top where widgets are not allowed, and what to do with portrait oriented photos	15:47
hrw	Stskeeps: no, I use hdmi	15:47
Stskeeps	k	15:47
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orangey	hello all!	15:48
RST38h	fiferboy: I would guess both problems can be addressed with "nothing"	15:48
orangey	has anyone tried out wave?	15:48
fiferboy	RST38h: Probably true	15:48
RST38h	fiferboy: I.e. do not touch the status area and display portrait photos sideways	15:48
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, done. Complementary bug filled for each.	15:49
hrw	Stskeeps: time to try to create maemo rootfs without use of sbox	15:49
* GeneralAntilles waits patiently for a tip.		15:49
RST38h	it is way easier for the user to rotate the device	15:49
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Thanks for getting the ball rolling!	15:49
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Your two enhancements will be implemented today	15:49
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, feel free to revise the description formula more to your liking.	15:50
GeneralAntilles	I just hate short descriptions which mostly just say the package name. :P	15:50
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Tip - Never pet a burning dog	15:50
Flandry	woof	15:50
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: I do too (in other people's packages)	15:50
* GeneralAntilles lights Flandry on fire.		15:51
qwerty12_N810	GeneralAntilles: Tip: Don't open new products for fiferboy's stuff	15:51
fiferboy	Yeah, now qwerty is going to file some bug about Canadian maintainership...	15:52
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* Flandry sets fire to another SDK install		15:52
Flandry	Now look what ya dun	15:52
jeremiah	Burn baby burn	15:52
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Flandry	Is it abnormal then that i can't install apps with app manager in SDK. I can use apt but if it's supposed to be working it would be good to know. It's a UI issue that only sends an error if i tap on the app (i can long-tap to get info, but not install).	15:54
GeneralAntilles	No, last I heard it wasn't working right.	15:54
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hrw	Stskeeps: sources.list on that page points to maemo5.0alpha repositories which do not exists	15:57
hrw	or moment.. maybe its my fault	15:58
Stskeeps	yeah :P	15:58
wazd	oh, my bad	15:59
wazd	n900 can be operated while installing	15:59
wazd	poor me	15:59
hrw	Stskeeps: anyway s/maemo5.0alpha/freemantle/ works too	15:59
anidel	wazd: it can, but it's better not to.. it can be quite slow	15:59
GeneralAntilles	Woo, rootfs full again.	15:59
GeneralAntilles	hrw, "freemantle" isn't a thing.	16:00
Stskeeps	hrw, please do notice:	16:00
Stskeeps	# download sources.list , packages (not Packages.gz) files from http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/repo/	16:00
Stskeeps	# to this directory	16:00
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Ceron^	any news on N900 release dagte	16:02
hrw	ok	16:02
Ceron^	date	16:02
w00t	none that i've heard	16:03
KMFDM	mid november	16:03
* GeneralAntilles sighs.		16:03
anidel	During November :)	16:03
qwerty12_N810	2012	16:03
Stskeeps	hrw: just posted to maemo-developers	16:03
anidel	eheh	16:03
anidel	but I'm sure the whole world will know about it	16:03
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GeneralAntilles	How is it that Modest manages to mess up quoting so thoroughly?	16:04
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: I'm wondering, \r and \n differences perhaps?	16:05
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: You have received my highest honour: a thanks in the debian/changelog!	16:05
GeneralAntilles	Ah, crap, now my name is associated with it! :(	16:05
RST38h	Ah don't worry, wazd actually got mentioned as a maintainer	16:06
fiferboy	Yes, you are now fully responsible for any damage the new description does to peoples N900s	16:06
RST38h	So, people with AlmostTI bug reports are now going to bug him =)	16:06
anidel	no they are AlmostTO bug him	16:06
wazd	RST38h: maintainer of what?	16:07
Stskeeps	http://cool900.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-freedom-on-maemo-and-android.html	16:08
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GeneralAntilles	Ugh, boost needs optifying	16:09
w00t	Stskeeps: damn you! I was just about to link that :P	16:11
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RST38h	wazd: AlmostTI	16:12
wazd	RST38h: oh, cool :)	16:12
wazd	RST38h: not everyone is so generous :D	16:12
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, too bad governance wasn't addressed.	16:16
Stskeeps	yeah	16:16
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GeneralAntilles	The argument I always hear whenever I bring up fragmentation is, "Well, Android is shipping on how many devices now."	16:17
RST38h	The device was described as a larger iPhone, "small enough to carry in a handbag but too big to fit in a pocket."	16:17
GeneralAntilles	Which device?	16:17
RST38h	wazd: Hey, not everyone takes care of all the artwork for somebody else's project =)	16:17
RST38h	General: iTablet apparently	16:18
GeneralAntilles	Ah	16:18
RST38h	Unless the whole rumor about Apple talking to media outlets about content for it is false	16:18
GiantTalkingCow	Depending on the cost, it'll either be a hit or the Apple TV 2.0.	16:18
RST38h	Will be a hit no matter what the cost is	16:18
RST38h	As someone put it, Apple produces "cultware" =)	16:18
GeneralAntilles	It's going to suck if it's iPhone OS.	16:18
RST38h	Most likely iPhone OS with more toolkits to handle tablet stuff	16:19
glass	not many are hardcore cultists enough for apple tv though	16:19
RST38h	glass: Maybe they couldn't find how to use it in their orgies or something	16:19
GiantTalkingCow	RST38h: Nah, the cultists are only a small part of Apple customers. It's the UI and ease of use (for limited things) that hooks people.	16:19
RST38h	Yea, but Mac users get seriously creepy	16:20
RST38h	Even by general geek standards	16:20
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GiantTalkingCow	Not really. Mac fanboys on the other hand....	16:20
GeneralAntilles	What's with people constantly claiming fanboyism on Talk?	16:21
GeneralAntilles	I've been to sites that have a fanboy problem.	16:21
GeneralAntilles	Talk is not one of them.	16:21
GiantTalkingCow	No idea. Fanboys of any stripe are annoying.	16:22
wazd	GeneralAntilles: you're just a Talk fanboi, get lost :D	16:22
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, Freenode just says /<project name>/<"inside" token>/<unique userid>	16:27
GeneralAntilles	and we have some options for project name formatting.	16:27
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GeneralAntilles	so the proposal should be fine.	16:27
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Do you know of any docs on how to request and administer those?	16:28
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GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, find a staffer.	16:30
GeneralAntilles	/stats p or poke #freenode	16:30
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: But do I then need to ask that for every person?	16:30
GeneralAntilles	You'll have to give the staffer a list of the cloaks we want added.	16:31
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GAN900	Hrm, fun. http://pastebin.com/m36c388b3	16:34
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qwerty12_N810	GAN900: I had that (with another package) so I just deleted the file concerned and did an "apt-get -f install" and all was merry.	16:35
Lupu	http://cool900.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-freedom-on-maemo-and-android.html	16:36
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GiantTalkingCow	I just ran across that article on Slashdot. Either way, I'd prefer an Android or Maemo based device to an Apple one, mostly because Apple seems to be run by a bunch of jackasses nowadays. (well, their mobile division certainly is)	16:37
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Lupu	It'll be interesting to sit back and watch that discussion.	16:38
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Lupu	But the blog does have valid points, which is good PR for Maemo	16:38
GeneralAntilles	To Extras-testing testers: PLEASE don't heart packages which are not optified.	16:39
Lynoure	GeneralAntilles: good reminder.	16:40
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GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, I'd be tempted to say you should default to using Photos.	16:43
RST38h	General: My guess is that it was Eldar who first called everyone at tmo fanboys and we are now getting his readership	16:43
RST38h	General: No need to optify small packages	16:43
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, I'm not sure how apparent it will be to most users how to select their photos.	16:43
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RST38h	As to larger ones, I have just optified ATI, fMSX, and Speccy, repository commit pending	16:43
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fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Good idea. I will set the defaults to slide show in the .images directory	16:44
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anidel	with this: http://www.fontcapture.com/ and Xournal you can make your own font from your own handwriting :)	16:46
GeneralAntilles	Anybody else find the file selector dialog totally obnoxious?	16:46
GeneralAntilles	I hate having to remember to tap the button at the top.	16:47
anidel	GA: I do.	16:47
GeneralAntilles	I usually cancel it 2 or 3 times before I manage to select what I want.	16:47
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Yeah, indeed. No stackable windows there.	16:47
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Yes, there is no indication that tapping the directory you just selected a second time is how to close the dialog successfully	16:48
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hrw	libvolume-id0 0.125-7+142.maemo0+0m5 - does it mean that Debian 0.125-7 was used as base, then maemohacked to udev 142 and then added some extra maemo patches?	16:50
hrw	basically Lenny based	16:50
* hrw -> out		16:50
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suihkulokki	GeneralAntilles: yes the fileselector is a sore "hey I'm from 90's" thumb in the ui	16:52
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suihkulokki	for example when choosing a avatar for a contact.. "lets not use this nice images application view of images, lets make the user navigate the filesystem with this ugly widget"	16:54
Khertan	suihkulokki: because it s better than scrolling around my list of 25 000 images	16:55
lardman	hmm, :p to the people being rude about the size of my fingers	16:55
* lardman reads the backlog		16:55
X-Fade	lardman: sorry ;)	16:55
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X-Fade	lardman: FFS is spreading ;)	16:56
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lardman	I do find it annoying though, if I move my finger or hit it in the wrong place	16:56
lardman	rather limits the usefulness of the device "on the go"	16:56
X-Fade	lardman: It annoys me more in the icon menu.	16:56
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lardman	yeah, I get it there too, but oddly mainly with the phone desktop shortcut - because of the position & how I hold the phone	16:56
suihkulokki	Khertan: stop keeping your porn collection on your phone!	16:57
d-fens_	hi, i know this might be a bit offtopic, but is there already a car navigation software available ?	16:57
X-Fade	d-fens_: Basically, no.	16:57
Flandry_	no voice navigation	16:57
d-fens_	anything planned from some big players?	16:57
d-fens_	like tomtom or such	16:57
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: photo frame now has better defaults	16:58
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: I am implementing all your ideas today	16:58
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X-Fade	d-fens_: You'd need to ask tomtom that ;)	16:58
Khertan	suihkulokki: ... :)	16:58
d-fens_	ok, so no rumors around	16:58
X-Fade	d-fens_: But probably Ovi Maps will do it some day.	16:58
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RST38h	moo anidel	16:58
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fiferboy	Does anyone know if there is a library available for the tag cloud thing that the image viewer uses?	16:59
SpeedEvil	There is stuff from openstreetmaps that sort-of-works - and can be easily ported - I'm not sure it's actually there yet.	16:59
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy, I'll have to think up some more good ones. :P	16:59
SpeedEvil	The data quality however is variable	16:59
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: libcumulus but headers are not available. Go figure...	17:00
fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: caveat - they have to be implementable in 10 lines of code or less...	17:00
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: Thanks, I'll look into that	17:00
RST38h	Ok, it appears to be confirmed now: If you sent your request for developer discount last week, resend it again	17:00
d-fens_	ok, but in theory everything running on a standard dabian should work (if the libs are available on maemo)	17:01
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solarion	fiferboy: I can make that program in 9 lines of code or less.	17:02
fiferboy	solarion: Which program?	17:02
RST38h	what is euro1 variant?	17:02
solarion	(hint: this is where you say "I can make that program in 8 lines of code or less" or else "Make that program!")	17:02
fiferboy	solarion: Ah, I see. Can it be a c program all on one line?	17:02
GAN900	RST38h?	17:02
solarion	It can be in whatever key.	17:03
solarion	(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_That_Tune)	17:03
solarion	;)	17:03
RST38h	GAN: DDP sent an email saying that all the devices are in euro1 variant	17:03
RST38h	GAN: Wondering what it means	17:03
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Stskeeps	if its finnish and insane cursor keys. .	17:04
RST38h	O hope not	17:04
Stskeeps	they will have to rip my n900 out of my arms if its that :P	17:04
X-Fade	I think it is the same version as given out at the summit.	17:05
anidel	no it's the same keyboard as the one given at the summit	17:05
anidel	yeah :)	17:05
RST38h	perrrrfect	17:05
RST38h	The email says they will send another email with ordering information once N900 becomes available	17:06
d-fens_	is there a skype version planned for the n900?	17:08
SpeedEvil	skype is integrated into the UI	17:09
SpeedEvil	however - this isn't quite the same as a standalone app - no video calls	17:10
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Jaffa	SpeedEvil: I doubt there'd be video if it was a standalone app ;-)	17:10
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d-fens_	but if adriver would be available, could the "desktop" version of skype be made running on the n900?	17:11
Khertan	RST38h: didn't got any news none answer too from my email	17:11
X-Fade	d-fens_: No, of course not.	17:11
d-fens_	because of the differnet architetcure?	17:11
RST38h	KhertanL If you sent your email to DPP last week, resend again	17:11
d-fens_	damn my fingers	17:11
X-Fade	d-fens_: There are tons of differences between a desktop and a N900.	17:11
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Khertan	RST38h: hum ... maybe i should wait	17:12
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SpeedEvil	Jaffa: err - why not - I'm confused	17:12
RST38h	http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/10/bagcheck.png	17:12
X-Fade	d-fens_: Skype needs to implement it for Maemo5 themselves, if they want.	17:13
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d-fens_	i see,but a given app could be compiled for used on the n900	17:14
X-Fade	d-fens_: If things only were that simple ;)	17:14
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: implement what?	17:14
hrw	re	17:14
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Skype video chat ;)	17:14
d-fens_	hehe	17:14
* timeless_mbp isn't sure where video is stuck		17:14
* timeless_mbp thinks someone on the nokia end needs to get general video call working first		17:15
d-fens_	but its more politics than technical barriers	17:15
X-Fade	d-fens_: Anyway, skype is closed source. So we can't recompile.	17:15
fureddo	Anyone is familiar with maemo-optify script?	17:15
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SpeedEvil	Jaffa: Why wouldn't a 'desktop' linux video skype app, neglecting compleltely the closed source issue - work?	17:15
X-Fade	d-fens_: Hardware is technically capable.	17:15
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timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: you mean an skype-intel build?	17:16
timeless_mbp	on an arm device?	17:16
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ali1234	SpeedEvil: the skype codecs are known for being extremely cpu hungry and not able to be hardware accelerated. ot at least thats what i heard	17:16
Stskeeps	qemu-x86? ;p	17:16
SpeedEvil	timeless: yes - neglecting that whole issue	17:16
timeless_mbp	i think you're neglecting too many issues	17:16
_\|Nix\|_	Hey! How come libnss3-dev is not available in extras-devel? I'm trying to build pidgin.	17:16
suihkulokki	skype is power managment killer anyway	17:17
timeless_mbp	_\|Nix\|_: is it in the sdk?	17:17
SpeedEvil	I know - jaffa seemed to imply (to me) that there were other issues other than the architecture.	17:17
timeless_mbp	if so, just steal the files from the sdk and repush to extras-devel	17:17
wjt	_\|Nix\|_: it was removed recently :'(	17:17
_\|Nix\|_	No idea. I just know that it's open, so why isn't it there?	17:17
_\|Nix\|_	wjt: Why?	17:17
timeless_mbp	that's what i did for gettext	17:17
wjt	_\|Nix\|_: i don't know. if you find out let me know :)	17:17
timeless_mbp	SpeedEvil: well	17:18
_\|Nix\|_	sigh ... this blows. That means no msn in Fremantle. Brilliant ...	17:18
suihkulokki	especially if the skype network decices that your phone is the best candidate for being a supernode and starts routing peoples calls via your phone..	17:18
timeless_mbp	there's the minor issue that the front facing camera isn't really enabled anywhere	17:18
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timeless_mbp	suihkulokki: ever had that happen to you?	17:18
ali1234	_\|Nix\|_: funny, it works for me	17:18
SpeedEvil	timeless: oh - diddn't know that. I assumed it was smply two v4l2 devices	17:18
timeless_mbp	well, i'm not precisely sure what its status is	17:19
* RST38h chants "pidging pidgin pidgin" andwaves at Nix		17:19
timeless_mbp	but in 41-10, which is what most of the people here have	17:19
_\|Nix\|_	ali1234: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pidgin_2.6.2-1nix0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt	17:19
javispedro	morning	17:19
timeless_mbp	there aren't any apps using the front camera	17:19
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ali1234	_\|Nix\|_: both pidgin and telepathy-haze are in the repos already, so i have no need to build it myself	17:19
timeless_mbp	i'm not sure precisely why, but i believe people are working on changing htat	17:19
d-fens_	timeless_mbp: but drivers are there?	17:19
ali1234	besides, pidgin on a tablet is almost as bad as empathy on a desktop machine	17:19
* javispedro has slashdot mod points AND there's a maemo slashdot article.		17:19
timeless_mbp	d-fens_: my understanding is that the kernel enablers are in the kernel sources	17:19
javispedro	there's an app already using the camera. iirc it's name is "mirror"?	17:20
timeless_mbp	that isn't necessarily the same as they're enabled in the build	17:20
timeless_mbp	javispedro: really? interesting	17:20
_\|Nix\|_	ali1234: K, well, I've made a lot of adaptations for Fremantle, like Hildon 2.2 widgets, etc, and I can't upload it to extras-devel because of that.	17:20
javispedro	timeless: yep. "Mirror is a simple utility that shows a real-time mirror image of the built-in user-facing camera."	17:21
_\|Nix\|_	Actually libnss3-dev is probably not in the repo because of the .pc file breakage.	17:21
RST38h	javis: You have got slashdot mod points? I am horrified now	17:21
* SpeedEvil too.		17:21
javispedro	RST38h: for first time in years. believe in god?	17:21
suihkulokki	timeless_mbp: not using skype but heard complaints about that possibility	17:21
d-fens_	is there a kind of software map for the most common needed tools with a progress status anywhere?	17:21
timeless_mbp	pc file breakfage?	17:21
timeless_mbp	suihkulokki: technically it can happen, yes	17:21
RST38h	javis: You know What I bealieve in =)	17:21
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: It was removed from the latest SDK.	17:21
* Stskeeps is getting tired of web closing.		17:22
RST38h	Can always be added back, can't it?	17:22
_\|Nix\|_	timeless_mbp: It advertises header files wrong. I needed to put horrible hacks into configure.in to make it work.	17:22
_\|Nix\|_	timeless_mbp: The bug may have since been fixed.	17:22
_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: I know. Why?	17:22
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: Hmm actually, no.. http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/5.0beta2_vs_5.0_content_changes.html	17:23
wjt	timeless_mbp, _\|Nix\|_: I filed a bug about the pc file being broken a few months ago fwiw	17:23
Jaffa	X-Fade: Is there a nice machine API for a user giving maemo.org/packages thumbs up/down & comments as themselves?	17:23
X-Fade	Jaffa: no	17:24
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: yeah, it lists libnss3-dev is removed	17:24
* Jaffa was thinking of a 'cheatsheet' mini-app for 9.08-11, and then realised it'd be pretty easy for it to list the apps which are installed from extras-testing as well		17:24
Jaffa	X-Fade: Right, OK.	17:24
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Yeah, from non-free	17:24
Jaffa	Scratch that idea then	17:24
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: but added for free.	17:24
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: not -dev	17:25
_\|Nix\|_	X-Fade: I don't quite understand. If you search for "libnss3-dev" on that page, it says it was removed. It says so under the heading "Comparison of packages in Maemo 5.0beta2 and Maemo 5.0 non-free repositories".	17:25
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X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Ah right!	17:25
timeless_mbp	_\|Nix\|_: my guess is this was an oversight	17:25
_\|Nix\|_	Why on God's green earth would the -dev package be held back?	17:25
_\|Nix\|_	sigh ...	17:25
timeless_mbp	not held back, just not requested	17:25
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: my guess is that it moved from non-free to free and it got forgotten ;)	17:26
_\|Nix\|_	Fer cryin' out-loud. I'll check with Soumija ...	17:26
timeless_mbp	_\|Nix\|_: good choice	17:26
timeless_mbp	-plan	17:27
Stskeeps	on vacation	17:27
X-Fade	_\|Nix\|_: ping marcell	17:27
timeless_mbp	_\|Nix\|_: i could probably send the files to extras-devel	17:28
timeless_mbp	i guess	17:28
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: No	17:28
timeless_mbp	oh	17:28
timeless_mbp	actually	17:28
timeless_mbp	i can't	17:28
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timeless_mbp	because getting it into extras would require sources	17:28
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: We block that	17:28
timeless_mbp	it'd end up in non-free	17:28
timeless_mbp	you block what?	17:28
X-Fade	uploading system libs to extras	17:28
timeless_mbp	-dev isn't a system lib ;-)	17:29
X-Fade	yeah, but the source package contains it.	17:29
timeless_mbp	yeah, that'd be a problem	17:29
AndrewFBlack	anyone want to help me get gonvert UI hildonized? I've done a litte work on getting it to fit bettr on small screen but need help with moving menu around	17:29
X-Fade	Anyway, this needs to be fixed in SDK.	17:29
timeless_mbp	that won't help though	17:30
timeless_mbp	is the sdk part of autobuilders?	17:30
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Why not?	17:30
X-Fade	Yes, of course.	17:30
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timeless_mbp	hrm	17:31
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timeless_mbp	so we have microb in the sdk ...	17:31
timeless_mbp	interesting	17:31
timeless_mbp	yeah, so it's just a botch	17:31
X-Fade	Yeah, should just be there.	17:31
timeless_mbp	what about -dbg packages for microb?	17:32
X-Fade	libnss3* should be in SDK, yes.	17:33
timeless_mbp	microb-eal-dbg, microb-engine-dbg, libnss3-dbg	17:33
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Quick question. Is microb supposed to use the tap on the screen which wakes the device up? Shouldn't the first tap be discarded?	17:34
timeless_mbp	it happens to, we're aware it do	17:35
timeless_mbp	es	17:35
timeless_mbp	i'm not sure if we intentionally do it, or if it's just how things are	17:35
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timeless_mbp	lemme ask the guy who maintains the ui	17:35
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: It made me curse a few times yeah ;)	17:35
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: As that tap is always on a link of course ;)	17:36
X-Fade	Great when browing ebay and randomly click on 'Buy now'	17:36
timeless_mbp	ok	17:38
timeless_mbp	it's a bug in system software	17:38
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timeless_mbp	if you have an app that runs in non-composite mode	17:38
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timeless_mbp	--- that's the explanation i was given anyway	17:39
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Ah, yeah that explains why it doesn't happen in the 'regular' apps ;)	17:39
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timeless_mbp	no harm in filing a bug, although if you could create a test app which triggers it based on my "explanation" and use that to file the bug straight to system software	17:39
timeless_mbp	that'd be vaguely appreciated from my personal perspective :)	17:39
timeless_mbp	(from an end user perspective, ideally there'd be two bugs, one against browser, and the one i just described which blocks it)	17:40
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: I can file it against browser in b.m.o?	17:40
timeless_mbp	yeah	17:41
timeless_mbp	but someone should file the bug against system software in bugs.m.o	17:41
timeless_mbp	blocking	17:41
timeless_mbp	moving the bug out of browser would result in people filing it in browser again	17:41
timeless_mbp	which doesn't help anyone	17:41
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: But we don't know that, we only know that the browser bugs ;)	17:41
timeless_mbp	and i don't want to be the one trying to write the testcase ;)	17:41
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timeless_mbp	well, you could write such an app and verify it for yourself	17:42
timeless_mbp	you=you, not you=user	17:42
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stevem_	Hey, does anyone know of anyone doing the N900 on contract in the UK?	17:43
timeless_mbp	someone said that the n900 would be 0GBP on contract	17:43
stevem_	I know about mobilephonesdirect.co.uk and signed up already - but their only voda and t-mobile, was after O2	17:43
stevem_	timeless_mbp, yeah mine is	17:43
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stevem_	Anyone other than mobilephonesdirect.co.uk doing N900 on contract?	17:45
lcuk	timeless, the browser appears to be doing the following (which is different to the gtk apps)	17:45
lcuk	On mousemove events of any type it is responding to those events	17:45
lcuk	i think the initial mousedown is eaten	17:45
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lcuk	but the rest of the stroke goes through	17:45
lcuk	which is why browser appears to notice it	17:45
lcuk	and gtk doesnt	17:46
timeless_mbp	lcuk: anyway, whichever way	17:46
timeless_mbp	it's a bug in the system software	17:46
timeless_mbp	the screen saver should consume the whole event	17:46
timeless_mbp	not just 1/3 of it	17:46
* lcuk nods		17:47
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* lcuk ponders how to cure it		17:47
lcuk	in liqbase i have a "drawing" flag which is set when i get the pressed event and unset when i get released	17:47
lcuk	and i only respond to motion when this is set	17:48
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* timeless_mbp nods		17:48
AndrewFBlack	yerga, Ping	17:48
timeless_mbp	working around buggy system software shouldn't really be our job...	17:49
lcuk	yeah, but on a desktop OS with overlapping windows wouldnt this cause problems anyway?	17:49
lcuk	responding to mousemove events outside of a click on your surface because the pointer passed over it?	17:50
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yerga	AndrewFBlack, pong	17:50
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AndrewFBlack	yerga, was looking at a post about a guy who hildonized govert but he didn't upload file you replyed to him did you ever get a copy of it from him?	17:55
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yerga	AndrewFBlack, can you give me the link? I don't remember that right now	17:56
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AndrewFBlack	yerga, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16462	17:56
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AndrewFBlack	I got alot of work done redoing ui to look well on small tablet thn found that post	17:57
AndrewFBlack	I'm not sure how to really hildonized it with the menu and all though	17:57
fiferboy	lcuk: Was your last comment referring to the problem of having the press and (partial) drag in your application, and the release outside of it?	17:57
lcuk	no fiferboy	17:58
fiferboy	lcuk: Ok. I thought that is what you meant when talking about a multi-window environment	17:59
lcuk	it was relating to how an app responds to mouse events after coming back from the screensaver	17:59
lcuk	and whether the saver itself should eat the entire stroke	17:59
lcuk	and how different apps may interpret this partial stroke which didnt have an initial click	17:59
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fiferboy	lcuk: Ah. Sorry, I had it backwards	18:00
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fiferboy	I had to solve the reverse problem - when the release happens outside of my widget	18:00
lcuk	tis ok :) you make good widgets so we will let you off :P	18:00
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fiferboy	personal-photo-frame now had three sizes to select from :)	18:00
yerga	AndrewFBlack, sorry I don't have it. I think I played with it, but I don't find any .deb here.	18:00
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lcuk	fiferboy, :D	18:00
yerga	AndrewFBlack, if I find something, I'll talk to you	18:01
SpeedEvil	http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/27/1427209/Intel-Updates-SSDs-Supports-TRIM-Faster-Writes - anyone know if the sdxc standard addresses this? Explicit 'I don't want this block anymore' notification?	18:01
SpeedEvil	oops	18:01
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AndrewFBlack	yerga, ok Ill keep working on mine, it works just not hildonized	18:01
lcuk	fiferboy, updated?	18:01
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AndrewFBlack	Might make a post on tmo asking for help getting it hildonized	18:02
fiferboy	lcuk: I am just building it to test on the N900, then I will put it in the repo	18:02
lcuk	cool	18:02
lcuk	i just got the YUV overlay to RGB pixmap code put in	18:02
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lcuk	i am currently testing it to see how speedy it can be	18:02
fiferboy	resizing desktop widgets requires a bit of a workaround, due to limitations in the "widgets should not resize" mentality	18:03
lcuk	but so far its about 0.6second per frame	18:03
lcuk	yeah i know	18:03
lcuk	do they resize to content or from an option	18:03
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fiferboy	From an option	18:03
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fiferboy	But if you start off big, and let the user size it smaller, the "X" and spanner icons no longer function in desktop edit mode...	18:03
lcuk	reasonable enough	18:03
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lcuk	argh!	18:04
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lcuk	did you try dynamic resizing?	18:04
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fiferboy	lcuk: countdown-home used to resize dynamically (until I read the HIG)	18:04
lcuk	or at least having a bigger, but transparent icon with smaller pic within	18:04
lcuk	hahaha	18:04
fiferboy	The problem is the desktop decides where to put the edit mode icons when the widget is first realized	18:04
fiferboy	So I have it realized at my minimum size so the icons always functions	18:05
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fiferboy	It looks a bit funky in desktop edit mode with larger sizes, but at least it works in all cases	18:05
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jeremiah	-c	18:14
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wazd	can anyone show me FM receiver app screenshot please?	18:26
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Jaffa	wazd: I didn't think it had a GUI yet	18:29
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wazd	Jaffa: Pycage's app has :)	18:30
wazd	Jaffa: according to Talk	18:31
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lcuk	why would this package not show which repository its in: http://maemo.org/packages/view/zenity/	18:43
lcuk	qwerty12_N810, ^^	18:43
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qwerty12_N810	Maybe because it does not have a category beginning with user/. Dunno	18:44
lcuk	ok ill file a bug	18:44
lcuk	cos its in repo	18:44
lcuk	http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/z/zenity/	18:44
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hardaker	ooohhh slashdot post today comparing maemo and android.	18:45
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SpeedEvil	My mod points expired as I went to mod it	18:45
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hardaker	Yeah, I don't have any at the moment.	18:45
hardaker	I find I get a lot less reading via RSS feed.	18:46
javispedro	I was able to mod troll to anyone talking about Maemo being better >:)	18:46
airstrike	hardaker: link?	18:46
hardaker	http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/27/1335227/Comparing-the-Freedoms-Offered-By-Maemo-and-Android	18:47
airstrike	thanks :)	18:47
dirk2	Stskeeps: ping	18:47
hardaker	np	18:47
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hardaker	Wow. TFA sucks	18:48
javispedro	the comments are not any better.	18:48
hardaker	well, sucks is a bit harsh. How about "hard to read".	18:49
hardaker	obviously blog and not professional journal	18:49
Stskeeps	dirk2: pong	18:49
hardaker	(as if "blogspot" in the URL wasn't enough to say that)	18:49
javispedro	did you know you have to use eclipse to develop for maemo but not for android?	18:49
Jaffa	Hmm. Anyone ever got random "tapping up" emails from Google?	18:49
Stskeeps	..	18:49
JamieBennett	silly question but what directory do you have to put music in for the media player to see it with the n900?	18:49
hardaker	javispedro: ??? was that in a comment???	18:49
javispedro	hardaker: yep. sometimes I have to remind myself wrong!=troll	18:50
qwerty12_N810	JamieBennett: /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds WFM	18:50
JamieBennett	jaffa: What do you mean by tapping up?	18:50
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Jaffa	JamieBennett: Anywhere on the 32GB should work. .sounds on the VFAT (/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds when mounted)	18:50
dirk2	Stskeeps: Any Maemo5 on Beagle news from your side? I'm just scanning the mailing list ;)	18:50
Jaffa	JamieBennett: As in, "do you think you might want to work here?"	18:50
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JamieBennett	Jaffa: Had one at the beginning of the year but it was in Switzerland.	18:51
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Stskeeps	dirk2: posted kernel and status update	18:51
Jaffa	JamieBennett: Person has a US phone number. How odd. No harm in asking :)	18:51
JamieBennett	Jaffa: :)	18:52
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hrw\|gone	bye for now	18:52
* dirk2 reads Stskeeps mail :)		18:52
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JamieBennett	Just put an .mp3 in Music/Podcasts (after plugging in and choosing Mass Storage) and no joy :(	18:54
fiferboy	JamieBennett: Are you still plugged in?	18:55
JamieBennett	yes	18:55
dirk2	Stskeeps: Great! Sounds like we should go on and concentrate with your approach	18:55
JamieBennett	ah	18:55
JamieBennett	penny drops	18:55
fiferboy	JamieBennett: You have to unplug to get it to show	18:55
lbt	Jaffa: yes	18:56
lbt	it was legit too	18:56
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lbt	looked highly dubious though	18:56
lbt	they, er, Google you	18:56
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Stskeeps	dirk2, got a lcd connected to your lcd header by chance?	18:59
fiferboy	Hmm, only two votes to go on Personal Dataplan Monitor...	18:59
Jaffa	lbt: My main question (apart from 'what?' and 'how much?') is 'what was it that put me on your radar?'	19:00
Jaffa	Anyway, hometime.	19:00
Jaffa	s/home/hotel/	19:00
infobot	Jaffa meant: Anyway, hoteltime.	19:00
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dirk2	Stskeeps: No, unfortunately only DVI	19:00
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lbt	Jaffa: I think presence on mailing lists and the like	19:07
lbt	catch you later	19:07
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Anwarboy11	i have a release date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	19:07
Anwarboy11	for uk !	19:07
goodnight	lol	19:08
lcuk	you in prison?	19:08
Anwarboy11	lol	19:08
goodnight	.	19:08
Anwarboy11	for the n900	19:08
Anwarboy11	read boys/girls	19:08
Anwarboy11	this is straight from the email i recieved from mpd	19:08
Anwarboy11	Hi,	19:08
Anwarboy11	Delivery of Nokia N900 stock into our Nokia stores has unfortunately been delayed by two weeks to w/c 16th November. The delivery when it arrives will be the first N900 stock in the UK and orders will be dispatched on a first ordered, first serve, basis directly from our Nokia stores. For those of you that have already pre-ordered and are expecting dispatch on the 30th October as previously advertised, please accept our sincere apologies and be assured	19:08
Anwarboy11	.......speechless i suppose?	19:09
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Mek	and what makes you think that this date won't be missed?	19:11
lcuk	mek, he has an email!	19:11
qwerty12_N810	Damn it, Mek, we were staying speechless	19:11
Flyser	My shop still says December ...	19:11
Mek	oops, sorry :)	19:11
qwerty12_N810	:p	19:11
lcuk	and ye of little faith mek, what makes you think they wont miss it!	19:12
lcuk	will ^	19:12
lcuk	qwerty12_N810, i filed a bug about zenity btw	19:13
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qwerty12_N810	Nice :-)	19:13
Anwarboy11	wel..	19:14
Anwarboy11	its somthing to look forward to	19:15
Anwarboy11	at least we have some kind of date	19:15
Anwarboy11	better than "mid nov"	19:15
* lcuk puts his hand up		19:16
javispedro	how many bugs filled in a month? It feels like it was yesterday when I noticed bug 5000 was filled.	19:16
fiferboy	Isn't November 16th mid-November ;)	19:16
lcuk	week commencing 16th nov actually fiferboy	19:16
lcuk	javispedro, GOOD	19:16
fiferboy	Ah, I thought w/c stood for Water Closet in the UK...	19:16
fiferboy	lcuk ^	19:16
javispedro	:)	19:16
lcuk	haha	19:16
Anwarboy11	lol	19:17
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Anwarboy11	i just been pestering mpd on release dates, they always seem to tell me =)	19:17
javispedro	wow, quite an story for a horror movie https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5712	19:19
javispedro	"swap hell despite free ram" :S	19:20
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toggles_1	standard, my n810 does the same after about 4 hrs	19:21
qwerty12_N810	toggles_1: INVALID: Your N810 isn't an N900 :p	19:21
toggles_1	lol	19:21
toggles_1	still, to be expected i think, hoping mer will fix it ;-)	19:22
javispedro	to be expected? O.o	19:22
toggles_1	it's probably maemo-launcher on the n900 too	19:22
javispedro	it seems like a kernel issue though.	19:23
Anwarboy11	do u think n900 can run oldd pc games	19:24
Anwarboy11	ones that require minimal spec?	19:24
toggles_1	it runs second reality, don't see why not	19:24
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lcuk	yeah, someone ran a cool classic pc game on it	19:24
Anwarboy11	which one was that	19:24
lcuk	i think it was called "windows 3.11" or something	19:24
Anwarboy11	lol	19:24
Anwarboy11	yh i seen that	19:24
Anwarboy11	solitare he playd	19:24
lcuk	didnt have very high fps tho	19:25
lcuk	would get fragged often	19:25
Anwarboy11	im talking about somthing liek tomb raider 1	19:25
javispedro	bah, so many things to do and so little time.	19:25
lcuk	cloning	19:25
* lcuk wishes he had that tech		19:25
qwerty12_N810	lcuk: And you can! For the low, low price of £9.99!	19:26
javispedro	or a time stopper gadget.	19:26
lcuk	fiferboy, can you knock up a time stopping widget	19:26
lcuk	you will need to install the flux capacitor package (i think its in harmattan extras-devel atm	19:27
fiferboy	lcuk: For stopping time relative to you, or stopping universal time once and for all?	19:27
lcuk	relative to self	19:27
Anwarboy11	anyone think they cud port psx emu to n900	19:27
lcuk	and which doesnt involve me travelling away at light speed	19:28
lcuk	Anwarboy11, sure, gimme 5 minutes	19:28
javispedro	pupnik tried iirc, n8x0.	19:28
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fiferboy	lcuk: There is a limitation in the current hildon-desktop (related to the swiping gesture) the prevents local time relativity changes...	19:28
lcuk	ahhh right	19:29
lcuk	just disable the extra desktops	19:29
javispedro	because damn time is non-free .	19:29
lcuk	and then swiping is removed	19:29
javispedro	we need OSS version ASAP.	19:29
lcuk	and it can be included	19:29
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Stop being Canadian, apt-get source hildon-home, and get to work!	19:29
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: I am currently working on a citizenship-changing widget, but the only option so far is "Canadian" :P	19:29
qwerty12_N810	Hehe	19:30
Anwarboy11	lol	19:30
Anwarboy11	im currently learning c++	19:30
Anwarboy11	very basic stuff	19:30
Anwarboy11	but ime really confused with this boolean stuf?	19:30
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: Would you just go out and buy a dataplan already? And rate personal-gprs-mon?	19:31
lcuk	with boolean you either get it, or you don't.	19:31
javispedro	well, boolean stuff is boolean.	19:31
fiferboy	lcuk: That was terrible	19:31
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Meh, even I get it...	19:31
javispedro	fiferboy: he was trying to outrun me in my stand up comedian career.	19:31
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Anwarboy11	:S	19:31
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: I'm tempted to thumb it down just for that comment	19:32
lcuk	almost as bad as "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't"	19:32
Anwarboy11	very helpful	19:32
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: :P	19:32
lcuk	Anwarboy11, boolean logic is true/false you make comarisons and stuff	19:32
Anwarboy11	hrm	19:32
fiferboy	lcuk: That one really only works in print. I try telling orally and it always flops	19:32
lcuk	its your basic building blocks of all computer software	19:32
Anwarboy11	the tuturial i was reading started adding number values	19:32
Anwarboy11	which i dont knw where they came from	19:32
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Anwarboy11	:S	19:32
TomaszD	fiferboy, around?	19:33
GeneralAntilles	These /. comments are depressing.	19:33
lcuk	fiferboy, confuse them more by converting what you want to say to binary	19:33
fiferboy	TomaszD: Here	19:33
Anwarboy11	if anyone can link to a good tutorial that wud be helpful	19:33
frals	<lcuk> with boolean you either get it, or you don't. <- lol	19:33
lcuk	one one zero zero one one one zero zero one one one!	19:33
fiferboy	lcuk: Like the robot joke? 011010010110101... 2	19:33
Anwarboy11	0010000111001 =2 :}	19:33
lcuk	hahahaha	19:33
Anwarboy11	loool	19:33
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GeneralAntilles	Haha, it's me looking like a tired idiot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjackowski/4048835988/	19:34
* qwerty12_N810 gives GeneralAntilles a truck-load of Red Bull		19:35
Anwarboy11	............i still dont get boolean	19:35
Anwarboy11	i did only start learning yesterday tho ....	19:35
lcuk	you only started boolean, or programming yesterday?	19:36
javispedro	true.	19:36
qwerty12_N810	!false	19:37
lcuk	fiferboy, i updated photo	19:37
lcuk	but it hasnt got new ui	19:38
lcuk	do i need to reboot	19:38
Anwarboy11	true	19:38
fiferboy	lucWhat version?	19:38
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fiferboy	lcuk^	19:38
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lcuk	how do i find out version	19:38
Anwarboy11	i only started yesterday.. before that i only knw gcse html	19:38
* lcuk curses apps for not having compiled in version		19:38
lcuk	Anwarboy11, boolean is True/False	19:39
Anwarboy11	yh i knw	19:39
fiferboy	lcuk: apt-cache policy personal-photo-frame	19:39
Anwarboy11	buts its them && \|\| ! that anny me	19:39
lcuk	what if i just used configure make make install?	19:39
lcuk	ahhh operators	19:39
lcuk	not the actually boolean itself	19:39
Anwarboy11	yh	19:39
Anwarboy11	that bit	19:39
fiferboy	lcuk: You built it from source?	19:39
lcuk	fiferboy, hypothetical case	19:40
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Anwarboy11	im not getting multiple sybols	19:40
Anwarboy11	or and if ....and so on	19:40
fiferboy	Ah. Usually the directory is named something like personal-photo-frame-0.2	19:40
lcuk	in c, and c++, you must remember operator precidence	19:40
lcuk	and if you are unsure	19:40
fiferboy	lcuk: But from source you can always look at the debian/changelog (for maemo packages)	19:40
lcuk	wrap each piece of the equation in brackets	19:40
* lardman dreams of strangling the person(s) who wrote the sw for the Tesco "self service" checkouts		19:40
fiferboy	lardman: You might want to see someone about your dreams...	19:41
GeneralAntilles	Ugh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=359051&postcount=13	19:41
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lcuk	lardman, its evil	19:41
lardman	fiferboy: yes, the person who wrote the sw; my dreams will soon go away	19:41
lcuk	fiferboy, i meant in a general sense	19:41
lcuk	i come from windows where build version is embedded into the binary	19:41
lardman	so which particular bit of the AWS do I need to look at for accessing product info?	19:42
fiferboy	lardman: lol	19:42
lcuk	i cant apt-get source on device	19:42
qwerty12_N810	lcuk: scratchbox	19:43
Anwarboy11	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359109#post359109	19:43
lcuk	curious, im missing sha256sum	19:43
lcuk	qwerty12_N810, but ive used it before	19:43
* timeless_mbp looks for someone w/ an n900 browser they're willing to crash		19:43
qwerty12_N810	use it again	19:43
lcuk	without messing	19:43
lcuk	me timeless	19:43
fiferboy	lcuk: Do you have extras-devel on the N900? If not, you don't have the updated UI version	19:43
lcuk	was still trying to do the other stuff, but since i cant	19:43
qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: Easily done... What do you want doing?	19:43
* airstrike looks for an n900		19:43
lcuk	yes fifer i just refreshed and updated	19:44
lcuk	i had an older one from -testing	19:44
lcuk	and upgraded it	19:44
fiferboy	lcuk: Even if you have extras-devel, I don't think the new one has imported yet	19:44
fiferboy	I just uploaded it less than an hour ago, and the product page is not showing it as imported into extras-devel	19:44
lcuk	doh!	19:44
Anwarboy11	check my app idea out people ... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359109#post359109	19:44
fiferboy	lcuk: You probably have my "new" version from last night...	19:44
lcuk	k	19:44
lcuk	Anwarboy11, theres a lot of hand waving going on in your post	19:45
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lcuk	hi rst	19:46
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Anwarboy11	hand waving?	19:46
* qwerty12_N810 gets the sudden urge to obtain milk		19:46
qwerty12_N810	Moo, RST38h	19:46
javispedro	remoo rst	19:47
lcuk	yes Anwarboy11 its actually quite a difficult problem is image tiling and merging	19:47
lcuk	theres software available to do it	19:47
RST38h	Heya all, how are things?	19:47
lcuk	but its non trivial	19:47
Anwarboy11	u knw like on all decent camera phones at the moment	19:47
lcuk	or should i say	19:47
Anwarboy11	there is panoramic option	19:47
lcuk	its (!trivial)	19:47
Anwarboy11	just extend that feature , to 360 degrees	19:47
Anwarboy11	dusnt sound like a hard conecpt to me	19:48
SpeedEvil	I was wanting an option for that on my openstreetmaps thing I'm thinking of features for	19:48
javispedro	I wonder if there are OSS algorithms for that?	19:48
SpeedEvil	A nice way of quickly using video rate images, with a quick piviot to do a low-res pan	19:48
lcuk	timeless, did you crash your own browser before telling us?	19:49
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Under Fremantle, do you have a choice of preferred colour widget?	19:49
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: What do you mean?	19:49
fiferboy	There are a bunch of predefined theme colours you can choose from...	19:50
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Sorry, I failed to parse that one, too. I mean, do you prefer the Hildon colour selection widget (depreciated) or the GTK one under Fremantle?	19:51
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: Neither :\|	19:51
lardman	ah, looks like the Product Advertising API is what I need....	19:51
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: he_color_* are what I use (disclaimer: I wrote them)	19:52
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qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Interesting... Mind if I steal?	19:52
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: Steal away. Get the latest source for countdown-home	19:52
qwerty12_N810	Thanks :)	19:53
dirk2	Stskeeps: I asked beagle people regarding LCD issue. They said the lcd and dvi outputs are the same thing	19:53
dirk2	Stskeeps: Maybe you like to discuss this at #beagle?	19:54
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javispedro	fiferboy: wasn't he_* part of hildon-extras?	19:55
fiferboy	javispedro: Sadly I have been very lax in actually putting it in the garage project	19:56
javispedro	a	19:56
fiferboy	I have to do that soon, and then address a couple of issues (multiple labels, easy colour selector)	19:56
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Flandry_	does anyone export the SDK display to a remote computer	19:57
wazd	so, anyone to shot n900 FM receiver app for me please? :)	19:57
Flandry_	eg their host system	19:58
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javispedro	Flandry_: elaborate? you always have to export $DISPLAY before getting the SDK UI up.	20:01
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Flandry_	now i'm exporting to the host from the virtual machine	20:01
lcuk	wazd, which app	20:01
Flandry_	i get the maemo desktop and UI, but all apps are blank	20:02
wazd	lcuk: PyCage's	20:02
Flandry_	figured i probably forgot something simple	20:02
lcuk	wazd, http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ ?	20:02
javispedro	I think you need XShm.	20:02
javispedro	between compositor and X11 server at least (AFAIK, never tried)	20:03
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wazd	lcuk: I guess	20:04
Flandry_	oh	20:04
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Flandry_	i thought x client/server was the whole pizza	20:04
Flandry_	ok well not worth figuring out	20:05
timeless_mbp	lcuk: yes	20:05
Flandry_	thanks	20:05
timeless_mbp	but my browser was older than your browser	20:05
timeless_mbp	and i hadn't had time to read the code yet	20:05
timeless_mbp	i've now read it	20:05
lcuk	ahh, so is it still in need of breaking?	20:05
timeless_mbp	breaking?	20:06
timeless_mbp	it's missing an entire section of code	20:06
javispedro	Flandry_: not only that, but also you are not getting accelerated GL.	20:07
Flandry_	it's a vm anyway	20:07
Anwarboy11	http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/cockroach-recycling/	20:07
javispedro	I was experimenting with VMGL but all I got was X11 protocol weirdness. Hope I can find an afternoon worth of free time soon to waste it with a gdb session.	20:08
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Flandry_	it's definitely nice to have vbox minimized and a maemo and scratchbox shell open on host	20:09
lcuk	o_O timeless	20:09
lcuk	relating to what?	20:09
timeless_mbp	proxying GLists	20:09
timeless_mbp	gimme a bit to file the bug	20:09
lcuk	k	20:09
javispedro	Flandry_: an interesting alternative is to edit the VBox X11 server to be the Maemo one.	20:10
javispedro	I mean.	20:10
javispedro	edit the virtualized Ubuntu/Debian/whatever gdm so that it starts a 800x480 server and switch to it.	20:11
javispedro	then you have a 800x480 vbox window.	20:11
Flandry_	hmm	20:11
javispedro	you also gain accelerated GL (if vbox supports it, and I think it does)	20:12
Anwarboy11	http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/hands-on-with-nokias-n900/	20:12
javispedro	not-so-finished in oct 27th?	20:13
Flandry_	vbox ose guest additions don't work with my present kernel apparently	20:13
Flandry_	so i was just hoping to avoid the whole cursor lock thing	20:13
javispedro	ah, well.	20:14
Flandry_	but it will do the job	20:14
timeless_mbp	5855 for people who are curious	20:14
Flandry_	i've spent enough time fighting with the sdk :/	20:14
aSIMULAtur	i like how, in the wired video...he's talking about a pannable desktop but then he's showing hte browser's visual history	20:14
Anwarboy11	yh so dumb	20:14
Flandry_	same concept anyway guys	20:15
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javispedro	proves people can't tell the diference.	20:15
Flandry_	i find them bothe equally cool anywoy	20:15
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* aSIMULAtur scratches her head		20:15
* lcuk scratches aSIMULAtur's head		20:16
Anwarboy11	i wuite like that first pic of the nokia with the sun glare in the back	20:16
* qwerty12_N810 watches as aSIMULAtur slaps lcuk		20:16
aSIMULAtur	why would i slap for a nice head scratch? :)	20:16
* Anwarboy11 slaps aSIMULAtur around a bit with a large trout		20:16
qwerty12_N810	aSIMULAtur: I just wanted him to be slapped :(	20:16
* aSIMULAtur knees Anwarboy11 in the gut		20:17
lcuk	Anwarboy11, it might help you to know aSIMULAtur likes MMA	20:17
lcuk	and welcomes a chance to use her knowledge	20:17
aSIMULAtur	:P	20:17
aSIMULAtur	i'm actually a muay thai fighter not an MMA practitioner	20:17
aSIMULAtur	i just like watching MMA	20:17
aSIMULAtur	anyone else like fighting?	20:18
aSIMULAtur	or am i in the wrong channel :D	20:18
RST38h	aSiMuLaTuR	20:18
timeless_mbp	aSIMULAtor: his hair is strange	20:18
aSIMULAtur	who's hair?	20:19
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Anwarboy11	yh i love watching martial arts movie's	20:19
Anwarboy11	also im a red belt in soo bahk do	20:19
timeless_mbp	wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10	20:19
aSIMULAtur	o hehe	20:19
Anwarboy11	anyone seen fearless here?	20:19
aSIMULAtur	we were laughing at the video earlier	20:19
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aSIMULAtur	what's red belt in big fat ho	20:19
Anwarboy11	timeless put http before links so we can click on em	20:19
timeless_mbp	Anwarboy11: use your scrollback	20:20
timeless_mbp	it's your stupid link	20:20
aSIMULAtur	PWNED	20:20
javispedro	note. if you open a gaming console marketing link, you DON'T put paletted GIF screenshots of your games.	20:20
javispedro	s/link/site	20:20
javispedro	http://www.hardkernel.com/	20:21
javispedro	(oDROID stuff)	20:21
AndrewFBlack	I'm working on hildonizing a program written in Python with a Glade UI I'm trying to follow a how to from maemo.org but I can't figure out where to put my new hildonized menu	20:23
qwerty12_N810	AndrewFBlack: Read the PyMaemo tutorial; it has a nice step-by-step on how GPodder's menu was reparented, and that was using Glade	20:24
timeless_mbp	oh right	20:25
* timeless_mbp goes to change "Reject" to "Busy"		20:25
aSIMULAtur	don't forget	20:26
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aSIMULAtur	"and"	20:26
aSIMULAtur	take that out	20:26
aSIMULAtur	:P	20:26
aSIMULAtur	then i will be happy happy	20:26
aSIMULAtur	forever	20:26
aSIMULAtur	and ever	20:26
qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: Have you replaced "On Ho" yet? =)	20:26
Anwarboy11	n900 v htc hd2 ....... views ?	20:26
aSIMULAtur	can u make a lolspeak stringset timeless	20:26
timeless_mbp	aSIMULAtor: we could	20:27
timeless_mbp	still need to decide if we want to do something lolyer speak	20:27
aSIMULAtur	LETS DO IT	20:27
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aSIMULAtur	ifi used those strings i'd probably throw my device across the room due to frustration	20:27
timeless_mbp	it actually wouldn't cost much on the ui side...	20:27
Myrtti	Anwarboy11: have a cookie!	20:27
aSIMULAtur	maybe i should make a pink kitty theme just for kicks	20:27
aSIMULAtur	and kitten icons	20:28
timeless_mbp	a bit more math here or there	20:28
timeless_mbp	fwiw, i saw someone w/ a decent theme + icon set	20:28
timeless_mbp	did anyone package the startup movie yet?	20:28
Anwarboy11	lol	20:28
Anwarboy11	can someone tell me about ovi maps.... i heard theyr really unreliable. any chance of google maps coming to n900	20:29
timeless_mbp	Anwarboy11: define coming?	20:29
timeless_mbp	you can use google maps today	20:29
qwerty12_N810	Anwarboy11: Unreliable is an understatement...	20:29
timeless_mbp	in the browser	20:29
qwerty12_N810	timeless_mbp: I would but it's pre-watershed	20:29
timeless_mbp	pre-watershed?	20:30
Anwarboy11	hmm	20:30
Anwarboy11	im talking an app	20:30
Anwarboy11	ive just had an iphone	20:30
timeless_mbp	Anwarboy11: like maemo mapper?	20:30
Anwarboy11	although it was missing simple stuff it was a great device	20:30
Anwarboy11	yhyh	20:30
Anwarboy11	i really likes the bbc iplayer on iphone	20:31
Anwarboy11	the quality was v good well better than the ones on n-series at the time	20:31
Anwarboy11	i hope they make an iplayer app for n900	20:31
SpeedEvil	get_iplayer :)	20:31
timeless_mbp	Anwarboy11: did you try an n8x0?	20:31
SpeedEvil	Anwarboy11: you really need an unlimited plan if you're going to be doing much iplayering	20:32
Anwarboy11	yh ive preoderd on tmobile with web n walk	20:32
Anwarboy11	anyway i use more wifi	20:32
Anwarboy11	and ive not tried an n810	20:33
Myrtti	my brain implodes in pain of this discussion	20:33
Anwarboy11	im just hoping the n900 is better than iphone	20:33
SpeedEvil	web+walk is 1G normal per-month	20:33
Anwarboy11	i bought a samsung jet and returnd it the nxt day	20:33
Anwarboy11	was not a match	20:33
Anwarboy11	then bought n97	20:34
Anwarboy11	felt like throwing it in the fire	20:34
Anwarboy11	hope this n900 wont be like that	20:34
SpeedEvil	In many ways the n900 is enormously superior to the iphone.	20:34
SpeedEvil	In others, it's vastly inferior.	20:34
SpeedEvil	If you - for example - want the huge app-store, that won't be there at launch	20:34
timeless_mbp	or this year ;-)	20:34
Anwarboy11	it just needs the community	20:34
Anwarboy11	and app store yh	20:34
timeless_mbp	what the heck is 'yh'?	20:35
timeless_mbp	and what's wrong with using real words?	20:35
Anwarboy11	even tho n900 can play stuff like youtube direct from page, it would be usefull if ther was a dedicated app.	20:35
ShadowJK	aren't there a ton of dedicated youtube apps...	20:35
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, see this yet? ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjackowski/4048835988/	20:35
Anwarboy11	ok, i'll try and use better english	20:36
lcuk	Anwarboy11, are you going to write it? (boolean answer required)	20:36
Myrtti	comparing any phone to another manufactured by a different company is about as useful as comparing cats to dogs as predators.	20:36
airstrike	False	20:36
* lcuk waves @ Myrtti		20:36
Myrtti	and there's a riddle for you	20:36
* Myrtti waves at lcuk		20:36
Anwarboy11	laughing out loud (lol) i would love to write applications if i knew how	20:36
Anwarboy11	false	20:36
airstrike	learn something new everyday :)	20:36
timeless_mbp	Myrtti: comparing two vendor's android phones from the same year is probably not that bad	20:36
Anwarboy11	0	20:36
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timeless_mbp	but that's because they're almost a family	20:37
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lardman	Anwarboy11: try Python	20:37
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* airstrike <3s Python		20:37
wiretapped	rolling on the floor laughing	20:37
Myrtti	timeless_mbp: the exception that confirms the rule	20:37
Anwarboy11	ive been told to do c++ first so i'm working on that	20:37
timeless_mbp	Myrtti: agreed	20:37
airstrike	what? lies!	20:37
airstrike	C++ is so messy	20:37
* airstrike ducks		20:37
lardman	~lart people who write Amazon code C#and Java because that means no-one writes in C	20:37
Myrtti	bash is pretty	20:38
* infobot crushes people who write Amazon code C#and Java because that means no-one writes in C with a full height scsi disk		20:38
timeless_mbp	airstrike: just wait for Qt :)	20:38
* timeless_mbp likes perl+zenity		20:38
Anwarboy11	c++ so i can use qt...whatever that is	20:38
timeless_mbp	Anwarboy11: you can use Qt from Python	20:38
timeless_mbp	or Perl	20:38
* airstrike uses PyQt		20:38
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timeless_mbp	or most other languages	20:38
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Myrtti	Anwarboy11: good luck in your aspirations... you might need it	20:38
Anwarboy11	im confused now	20:38
Anwarboy11	all you guys tell me to learn different languages	20:39
airstrike	haha	20:39
timeless_mbp	i haven't	20:39
Anwarboy11	c, c++, python	20:39
timeless_mbp	i'm just saying you should figure out what you're trying to do first	20:39
lcuk	Anwarboy11, http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/2/Funny_Pictures_660.htm	20:39
Anwarboy11	no not you in particular	20:39
AndrewFBlack	qwerty12_N810, where is the Pymaemo tutorial maemo.org ?	20:39
timeless_mbp	do a bit of planning/research	20:39
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airstrike	don't take my word for anything :P	20:39
Myrtti	Anwarboy11: I tell you to use lisp	20:39
qwerty12_N810	Anwarboy11: Google "ARM ASM"	20:39
Khertan	Hi !	20:39
Anwarboy11	loooll nice kitten	20:39
airstrike	lisp was fun for a while	20:39
Myrtti	lisp, or schema	20:39
airstrike	yeah, dr. scheme	20:39
qwerty12_N810	Anwarboy11: ASM is the easiest language by far	20:39
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airstrike	then it got really confusing and i dropped it :P	20:39
Myrtti	or BBC Basic	20:40
Myrtti	:-P	20:40
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, how come he didn't put AKA AndrewFBlack by my name	20:40
airstrike	Anwarboy11: don't listen to them :P	20:40
qwerty12_N810	AndrewFBlack: pymaemo.garage.maemo.org , I guess	20:40
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, lol.	20:40
Anwarboy11	:S	20:40
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, someone might not knowwho I am	20:40
airstrike	Anwarboy11: just learn C++ or python.. or both! but if you start with C++ you'll be glad you learned python whereas if you go the other way around you'll be somewhat frustrated :P	20:40
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, send him a message, then. :P	20:40
Anwarboy11	i just wan't to learn somthing that will let me code for my future n900!"!!!!!	20:40
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AndrewFBlack	lol I am wonder why he only put 1 photo up to took like 100	20:41
lardman	qwerty12_N810: ARM ASM +1	20:41
Khertan_	Hi !	20:41
Khertan_	again ...	20:41
airstrike	C++ has a much steeper learning curve than python imho	20:41
lardman	yeah, with Python you'll be up and running in 10min flat	20:41
qwerty12_N810	ARM ARM is 5 mins	20:41
Anwarboy11	i got to if funtions in c++ and im stuck	20:41
timeless_mbp	Anwarboy11: just about anything will let you do that	20:41
AndrewFBlack	2 hours left til I get my n900	20:42
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Khertan_	someone have a turn around ?	20:42
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: With ARM ASM, can I run the same code on my desktop computer?	20:42
RST38h	Finally, FAA is considering prohibiting Li-based batteries on the planes	20:42
GeneralAntilles	AndrewFBlack, eyes only for you. :P	20:42
RST38h	Say bye bye to that laptop =)	20:43
Khertan_	fiferboy of course ... if you use an arm :)	20:43
GeneralAntilles	RST38h, lol.	20:43
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Only if you don't use the Canadian variant	20:43
GeneralAntilles	Business people will riot.	20:43
Khertan_	while trying to use git on my n900 i got this : fatal: git-push is not available for http/https repository when not compiled with USE_CURL_MULTI	20:43
fiferboy	I have arms! I'm switching all my development RIGHT NOW!	20:43
RST38h	General: National security is at stake, nobody gives a damn about business people any more	20:43
Mousey	link?	20:43
Anwarboy11	IM ONLY 15! i'm guessing all you guys are 30 year olds who have been coding since 5	20:44
Khertan_	haha	20:44
timeless_mbp	29 and 6	20:44
Khertan_	hqhq	20:44
Khertan_	lcuk ?	20:44
GeneralAntilles	lol	20:44
Anwarboy11	loll	20:44
RST38h	Yes we are all old farts	20:44
Mousey	good, if you're only 15, you can still start now and say "i started when i was 15" and people will be all, woooow	20:44
* hardaker wishes he was still 30		20:44
Anwarboy11	na	20:44
RST38h	Half of us are pedophiles, another half is underground FBI agents	20:44
RST38h	The usual Internet stuff, you know	20:44
fiferboy	Which half is qwerty12?	20:45
Khertan_	do not forgot the chineese fbi guy	20:45
RST38h	both, he is a double agent	20:45
Anwarboy11	i guess half of u have beards	20:45
Khertan_	qwerty6	20:45
Khertan_	half ...	20:45
Anwarboy11	and have a mug of coffee in ure left hand	20:45
Khertan_	ok ...	20:45
Khertan_	i go out	20:45
ShadowJK	I have a pint of cola in my left hand	20:45
Anwarboy11	and dual screen monitors	20:45
lardman	RST38h: I've always wondered if a pedophile is someone who loves feet?	20:45
airstrike	Anwarboy11: i'm 24 and i don't even code for a living :P	20:45
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javispedro	dang it. and I know I'm not a underground FBI agent.	20:45
Anwarboy11	lol	20:46
airstrike	i just like doing some coding on my spare time.. it eases my mind	20:46
Khertan_	27 professionnal 4d developper	20:46
timeless_mbp	javispedro: you're an aboveground one?	20:46
airstrike	www.instantrimshot.com	20:46
Anwarboy11	i got my maths a lvl in a month!	20:46
RST38h	lardman: or walking.	20:46
javispedro	ssh.	20:46
Khertan_	so anyone use git push on his n900 ?	20:47
* ShadowJK used to do coding for fun, but now it's more of a necessity in spare time to fix gaps where existing tools fail		20:47
airstrike	Anwarboy11: be glad you're young and when you're 24 like me (or 40+ like some here), computers are going to rock even more :P	20:47
FBIqwertydapedo	RST38h: Or wanking to feet	20:47
airstrike	and C++ is going to be a thing of the past	20:47
RST38h	lardman: personally, I always wondered of a difference between pedagogues and pedophiles	20:47
lardman	RST38h: or soil, so wikipedia tells me :)	20:47
airstrike	ShadowJK: also that	20:47
fiferboy	lardman: Or.. podiatry?	20:47
RST38h	lardman: they both like children, right?	20:47
Khertan_	airstirke it s already a things of the past	20:47
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Anwarboy11	i think i shud just go back to cod4......	20:47
javispedro	!false.	20:48
lardman	ah, latin ped- = foot, but greek pedo = child or soil	20:48
Anwarboy11	lol	20:48
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Anwarboy11	\|\|!&&	20:48
airstrike	or not and?	20:48
javispedro	Khertan_: eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy: port libcurl4 under a diferent soname and then create a special build of git-core.	20:48
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wanttousegitpush	javispedro : hum ...	20:49
javispedro	and I think I have the libcurl4 part already done.	20:49
javispedro	well, halfdone.	20:49
wanttousegitpush	python doesn t want to compile c libs :)	20:49
Anwarboy11	zagg better make an invisiblesheild for n900	20:49
lardman	hmm, continuing my grammatical quest, in England we use paedo, no clue where that comes from	20:50
* javispedro hides		20:50
qwerty12_N810	paedo: named after lardman	20:50
wanttousegitpush	anwarboy11 ... u remember me that i need to finish the saber	20:50
lardman	you wish ;)	20:50
RST38h	lardman: that is solely to fool the web filters =)	20:50
lardman	ah!	20:50
Anwarboy11	finish the sabre....?	20:51
RST38h	lardman: see, you brits are more cunning than americans =)	20:51
wanttousegitpush	saber	20:51
qwerty12_N810	lardman: Your victim wished it wasn't true, as well...	20:51
Anwarboy11	sabre.. im in england not america	20:51
lardman	yeah, is that a surprise	20:51
lardman	oops	20:51
wanttousegitpush	yep msaber a stupid useless light saber imitation for fremantle	20:51
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RST38h	in England, that should be Fremantel, shouldn't it?	20:52
javispedro	that sounds French.	20:52
Anwarboy11	real light sabre that i made!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5ZrC0iGxc&feature=player_profilepage	20:52
lardman	yeah	20:52
RST38h	saber, fremantel...	20:52
lardman	RST38h: saber is US	20:52
lardman	we say sabre	20:52
Anwarboy11	no in england it would be .le	20:52
Anwarboy11	an .re	20:52
Khertan	what sound french ? saber ?	20:52
RST38h	ok, so Fremantel is American. Have to inform GAN, he will love it	20:52
javispedro	Fremantel.	20:52
fiferboy	You guys talking aboot Freemantle?	20:53
qwerty12_N810	Freemantel	20:53
fiferboy	Oops, Canadian accent...	20:53
Khertan	we say 'sabre' in french	20:53
lardman	fiferboy: is that the Canadian spelling? ;)	20:53
RST38h	Fermantle really, but it is a secret	20:53
Anwarboy11	watch my vid ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5ZrC0iGxc&feature=player_profilepage	20:53
Khertan	free mental ?	20:53
Anwarboy11	mentle	20:53
Anwarboy11	no its mental actually	20:53
lcuk	Khertan, ?	20:53
fiferboy	Qole said I have a Canadian accent. And he grew up an hour from where I live!	20:54
Khertan	yep lcuk,	20:54
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fiferboy	It's insulting, is what it is	20:54
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Khertan	i read that u use git on your n900 on the mailing list	20:54
fiferboy	Hey gnuton!	20:54
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lcuk	yes Khertan	20:54
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Ignore him, he's a traitor to the West Coast	20:54
lcuk	i missed the question i saw the ? tho	20:54
Khertan	did you are able to push to git.maemo.org ?	20:54
fiferboy	qwerty12_N810: Are you trying to divide Canadians like your North/South UK split?	20:55
* lcuk just ate lovely bacon coated chicken		20:55
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javispedro	Khertan: not being able to use git ssh is known since n8x0 times.	20:55
lcuk	Khertan, no	20:55
javispedro	hey, we're in n8x0 times still.	20:55
Khertan	:(	20:55
timeless_mbp	gnuton: you've been sorely missed	20:55
lcuk	maemo.org git services need HTTPS protocol	20:55
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lcuk	which is not compiled in	20:55
* RST38h wonders if Extras-Devel will be merciful today and he can dput		20:55
lcuk	and would apparantly be a pita	20:55
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: Of course not! You have Quebec to do that for you...	20:55
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lcuk	and the normal GIT: protocol is not configured on maemo.org either	20:55
fiferboy	That's different. Quebes isn't part of Canada	20:55
lardman	rubbish, looks like AWS doens't like returning UK EAN data, so webscraping is therefore fully justified	20:55
Khertan	lcuk ok	20:56
RST38h	fiferboy: really?	20:56
Anwarboy11	i remember wen i went to canada	20:56
fiferboy	RST38h: Well, they don't think they are...	20:56
lardman	s/returning UK EAN\returning results for UK EAN	20:56
Anwarboy11	the money had the queen on it!!	20:56
Khertan	this because in your email i understood that u use it to push	20:56
gnuton	timeless_mbp: Hi!	20:56
lcuk	Khertan, both directions	20:56
timeless_mbp	gnuton: what have you been up to?	20:56
fiferboy	Anwarboy11: That's our Queen too	20:56
Khertan	lcuk yep	20:56
Anwarboy11	5p's here looked like the 10 cents ther	20:56
RST38h	fiferboy: that never prevented anyone from maintaining territorial integrity =)	20:56
Anwarboy11	i actually spent that canadaian change here	20:57
Anwarboy11	1 cent as a penny	20:57
Anwarboy11	some people dont even check	20:57
Khertan	lcuk so if i understand it s require to be recompied	20:57
Khertan	maybe i should take a look at it	20:57
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lcuk	good luck	20:57
RST38h	well, in upstate NY it is common to get .CA coins as change	20:57
Khertan	really ?	20:57
lcuk	yeah	20:57
RST38h	by mistake of course, they are similar	20:57
Khertan	did you have try ?	20:57
Anwarboy11	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-xlq-KZDI&feature=sub	20:58
lcuk	requires CURL to be built with the https support	20:58
lcuk	and afaik it doesnt build	20:58
lcuk	or something like that	20:58
javispedro	I just remember that I tried and stoped.	20:58
lardman	they have different money in California?	20:58
lcuk	i encountered same problem when i tried to build git direct from main central git thingy	20:58
javispedro	so maybe there was a nontrivial build problem or maybe I just got bored :P	20:58
gnuton	timeless_mbp: I've been sleeping...:P	20:58
lardman	;)	20:58
timeless_mbp	rip van winkle eh?	20:58
fiferboy	lardman: Yes, they have IOUs from the government...	20:58
lardman	lolk	20:58
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qwerty12_N810	fiferboy: haha	20:59
RST38h	lardman: Yea, their quaters have Schwarzenegger face on them	20:59
* RST38h ducks		20:59
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javispedro	duck and cover!	21:00
RST38h	[and the edge of each coin is shaper as a beer bottle opener]	21:00
RST38h	s/shaper/shaped	21:00
Anwarboy11	???????????????	21:00
Anwarboy11	???????????????	21:00
Anwarboy11	???????????????	21:00
Anwarboy11	omfg	21:00
lardman	I like the sound of california more and more	21:00
Anwarboy11	the irc client dont support jap charecter	21:00
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Anwarboy11	character*	21:00
lcuk	lardman, you gotta have boob implants done before moving there	21:01
qwerty12_N810	lardman: He said beer, not wine	21:01
ShadowJK	what are you using?	21:01
fiferboy	gnuton: From gitorious, it looks like you have been busy with the sprint!!	21:01
Anwarboy11	mIRC	21:01
ShadowJK	there's a setting for it	21:01
lardman	qwerty12_N810: I drink all sorts; legally	21:01
gnuton	fiferboy: hi! :D	21:01
Anwarboy11	wherbouts	21:01
fiferboy	gnuton: Hey.	21:01
lcuk	lardman, did you ever put any mic initialization code up?	21:01
gnuton	fiferboy: Yes.. I'm still busy... We have still things to fix... :/	21:01
ShadowJK	not sure, I haven't used mirc since 1997	21:01
qwerty12_N810	lardman: it shows!	21:01
* qwerty12_N810 hides		21:02
lardman	oi! :p	21:02
lcuk	gnuton, its lookin good tho	21:02
fiferboy	gnuton: I've been looking at finger scrolling some. I can't figure out what the problem with performance is when running in scratchbox	21:02
fiferboy	gnuton: And I can't compile for ARMEL to test on the device...	21:02
gnuton	fiferboy: why can't you?	21:02
Anwarboy11	kan niemand my verstaan	21:02
fiferboy	gnuton: Well, I can grab the gui.so from the armel compile (I forgot about that), but webkit never links for me in scratchbox armel	21:03
javispedro	fiferboy: dunno if this is related, but if you don't have GL accelerated Xephyr the compositor will greatly slowdown any drawing.	21:03
Anwarboy11	no new manga out today =[	21:03
gnuton	fiferboy: gui is the module you have to test.. :P	21:04
Anwarboy11	did the n810 support bbc iplayer?	21:04
* lcuk has finally brought his n900 to its knees!		21:04
lcuk	0.75s per frame!	21:04
fiferboy	gnuton: Yeah, I forgot I could just stop the compile and use the so. I wanted debs!	21:04
Mousey	dpkg-buildpackage	21:05
qwerty12_N810	lcuk: The N900 doesn't give BJs...	21:05
* Mousey takes it off christmas list		21:05
lcuk	oh errr right, yeah, i knew that	21:05
Anwarboy11	does n900 support mms yet	21:05
* lcuk gets a tissue		21:05
gnuton	fiferboy: you can install the deb from qt4.garage.maemo.org then uploading the new libQtGUI	21:05
fiferboy	gnuton: That is what I will do	21:06
gnuton	fiferboy: it works if there are no changes in core..	21:06
ShadowJK	no mms	21:06
gnuton	fiferboy: at moment all changes of this sprint are still in qt-n900+w34	21:06
fiferboy	gnuton: Ok.	21:07
RST38h	lcuk: 0.75s is kinda low, what are you rendering? =)	21:07
fiferboy	gnuton: When are you targeting for the next release?	21:07
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gnuton	fiferboy: good question..	21:07
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gnuton	it was supposed to be already in testing	21:07
* lardman gives up on AWS		21:08
lcuk	RST38h, taking my normal YUV layer, converting to RGB, making that into an XImage, XPutImage and XFlush onto actual window, wait for compositor to nick it as a texture, render it into normal place, rinse repeat	21:08
qwerty12_N810	lardman: GET SOME NUTS	21:08
lardman	BA would side with me on this one	21:08
lcuk	lardman, you will find its better to use the offical web api from companies	21:08
lcuk	i know its harder :S	21:08
lardman	lcuk: the docs are crap	21:08
gnuton	fiferboy: but there are still issue to fix.. I'm working night and day.... I can't go more fast...	21:08
lardman	can't be arsed comes to mind	21:08
lcuk	yeah but better than having it die cos they alter weblayout a tinybit	21:09
fiferboy	gnuton: Yeah, it sounds like a big task!	21:09
lardman	as long as it works for me... ;)	21:09
lcuk	haha	21:09
lcuk	customer #1	21:09
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lardman	but yeah, patches welcome etc	21:09
javispedro	lcuk: you could use a gl es shader for rgb->yuv	21:09
lcuk	javispedro, patches welcome	21:09
lcuk	http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/e4a4dc5994697d55f5e5be767f8d3da95597f934/src/liqx11_cover.c	21:10
lcuk	theres the code	21:10
javispedro	getting hardware myself and testing diferent drnoksnes output methods comes first :)	21:10
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lcuk	replace that with a shader version and ill love you long time!	21:10
gnuton	fiferboy: but anyway I come back to code... se u later..	21:10
fiferboy	gnuton: I will let you know if I make any progress on fingerscrolling	21:10
javispedro	s/rgb->yuv/yuv->rgb	21:10
lcuk	yeah lol	21:11
gnuton	fiferboy: There is just one big thing to fix in the fingerscroll	21:11
fiferboy	gnuton: Which is?	21:11
RST38h	lcuk: why on earth would you do that? =)	21:11
lcuk	i wonder if PowerVR_3d_RGB->YUV->XV would be faster than	21:11
lcuk	powervr_RGB_3d->Compositor	21:11
RST38h	lcuk: they say shader-based rendering is overrated	21:11
lcuk	RST38h, one time only	21:11
javispedro	I don't know if rgb->yub is doable.	21:11
lcuk	when the app is minimized	21:12
javispedro	er..	21:12
javispedro	yuv.	21:12
RST38h	by hand? doable	21:12
lcuk	and it zooms back to the app list thingy	21:12
gnuton	fiferboy: basically QComboBoxes now shows a dialog with a QListView (it looks like HildonTouchSelector)	21:12
javispedro	I mean by a shader. I'm still reading :)	21:12
lcuk	rgb->yuv is entirely doable	21:12
AndrewFBlack	GeneralAntilles, my screen problem is the wire if it goes out of cal and I slap it it comes back in cal	21:12
lcuk	http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms893078.aspx	21:12
lcuk	yuv->rgb and rgb->yuv	21:13
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lardman	is it a known bug that if you tap too quickly in a newly opened app, you actually tap the desktop?	21:13
solarion	I don't think the gamuts completely overlap, though	21:13
solarion	iirc	21:13
gnuton	fiferboy: well, if I add a item it doesn't scroll anymore.. I think this is a new bug..	21:13
lcuk	no, but its practical	21:13
javispedro	lardman: yep, but don't remember the bug #	21:13
lardman	solarion: they can be converted assuming you choose one iitc	21:13
gnuton	fiferboy: added yesterday by Eetu.	21:13
lcuk	RST38h, anyway, if i convert my YUV overlay to a pixmap and draw that on the normal x11 window	21:13
fiferboy	gnuton: I will look at it	21:13
lcuk	i can then turn off the overlay	21:13
gnuton	fiferboy: it worked nicely in scratchbox	21:13
lcuk	and it zooms back properly	21:13
lcuk	same principle will work for desktop widgets	21:13
Myrtti	I want a BBC Micro	21:14
lardman	javispedro: cool, as long as it will get sorted	21:14
fiferboy	gnuton: If you add an item while the dialog is open? Or after you close it?	21:14
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GeneralAntilles	lardman, something like this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5694	21:14
lcuk	Myrtti, at weekend at barcamp	21:14
solarion	lcuk: sure, but my point is taht some pedant is always gonna come in and say it's not the same	21:14
solarion	like me. :)	21:14
lcuk	there was a presentation from someone who used a bbcmicro	21:14
javispedro	lcuk: a nice thing to try. "PowerVR_3d_RGB->YUV->XV vs powervr_RGB_3d->Compositor"	21:15
lcuk	to control church organ	21:15
* solarion was built with -pedantic		21:15
gnuton	I don't know yet... QComboBoxes if editable are able to add item in the QListiView that after shows into the popup.	21:15
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javispedro	but I think powervr->lcd is faster than xv->lcd without compositor.	21:15
fiferboy	gnuton: Okay, I will look	21:15
lcuk	solarion, its a scaled preview	21:15
lcuk	i dont give a damn ;)	21:15
fiferboy	gnuton: Maybe I will drag lbt into the fray	21:15
lcuk	patches welcome	21:15
lcuk	as lardman says :D	21:15
gnuton	fiferboy: how much time do you need for it..	21:15
solarion	heh	21:15
lcuk	javispedro, rly?	21:15
lcuk	less bandwidth still from yuv	21:16
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lcuk	comes down to fill rates	21:16
fiferboy	I am compiling the latest git right now, and I will check it out hopefully in a couple hours	21:16
gnuton	fiferboy: sorry for this question.. but I'm running out of the time.. and I was going to have it ready in 1 or 2 days	21:16
lcuk	and where the framebuffer actually is	21:16
lardman	GeneralAntilles: yes indeed, the screenshot cheat stuff not working properly	21:16
lcuk	and intermediate moves	21:16
fiferboy	gnuton: I will try to do everything I can tonight, I will let you know where I am with it tomorrow	21:16
gnuton	fiferboy: ok. then checkout qt-n900+w34	21:16
lcuk	solarion, infact... the color thing	21:16
fiferboy	gnuton: I have done that, compiling in ARMEL to run on the device	21:16
lcuk	i had the order wrong last night for early tests	21:16
lcuk	BGR was as RGB	21:17
solarion	colors suck	21:17
lcuk	and it looked really funky	21:17
gnuton	fiferboy: ok.. great	21:17
solarion	we should just plug directly into the optical nerve	21:17
javispedro	lcuk: really dunno. probably for video xv is still faster (since "powervr is not the best way to just put pixels on screen")	21:17
solarion	anything before that is stupid	21:17
lcuk	your optic nerve is different to mine	21:17
solarion	Ideally, we just plug right into the brain	21:17
* solarion waves his hand dismissively		21:17
lcuk	javispedro, yeah theres tricks each has	21:17
gnuton	fiferboy: btw joing #qt-maemo.. that's the official Channel of Maemo Qt (It has been done by Trolltech people)	21:17
solarion	your cones are different from mine too	21:17
solarion	lcuk: you have some nerve!	21:18
gnuton	fiferboy: s/joing/join	21:18
javispedro	and doing rgb->texture->powervr shader->yuv->read from powervr->screen might be slowest.	21:18
lcuk	how many channels does qt have!	21:18
fiferboy	gnuton: I'm in	21:18
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fiferboy	lcuk: Just enough	21:19
gnuton	anyone interested in Fremantle Qt (Official & Community) can join that channel	21:19
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hrw	re	21:27
lardman	hi hrw	21:27
lardman	http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/test_abook.c is producing an error, and thoughts? http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6d569513	21:28
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lardman	s/and/any	21:28
lardman	food time, bbiab	21:28
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fiferboy	lardman: (for when you get back)	21:30
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johnsq	Hi	21:31
fiferboy	lardman: line 117 s/OssoABookModel/OssoABookContactModel/	21:31
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fiferboy	lardman: I think that should fix both errors	21:32
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Flandry_	froze for me too	21:39
Flandry_	back now though	21:39
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fiferboy	GeneralAntilles: Why did you only give my app one thumb up :P	21:41
* timeless_mbp looks around		21:41
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* timeless_mbp fishes around for people w/ n900's and a willingness to use unofficial content		21:46
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timeless_mbp	mine already swam away	21:47
Stskeeps	without flashable image or even flasher nearby sorry :P	21:47
luke-jr	timeless_mbp: ship me one ;p	21:47
lcuk	timeless, ill swap im trying to get rgb conversion working	21:47
lcuk	and everything is rosetinted	21:47
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps: oh, i got 41-10 !	21:47
RST38h	Poor converter trying to squeeze a bitmap into 14 colors...	21:47
RST38h	Mhm	21:47
timeless_mbp	a little elf dropped it on one of my devices :)	21:47
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javispedro	heh. ARM GPU chip (Mali) has an OGLES extension to read yuv textures "as is".	21:52
javispedro	fastly, according to their propaganda.	21:52
javispedro	"Can read both packed and planar (2 and 3 planes) YUV formats"	21:53
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lcuk	javispedro, which would match with...	21:55
lcuk	http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg18548.html	21:55
lcuk	http://www.mdk.org.pl/2007/11/17/gl-colorspace-conversions	21:55
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lcuk	well, not quite	21:56
lcuk	but that was the first time i thought it was possible	21:56
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javispedro	and I still think it's possible, at least for 1:1:1 formats	21:58
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javispedro	I mean, I can already think of a way to do it for 1:1:1 . But not yet for 4:2:2.	21:59
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dark	hi i have a problem with my media player	22:02
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dark	my library doesnt update	22:02
dark	what can i do	22:02
dark	i need help	22:03
andre__	dark, how long did you wait?	22:03
andre__	did you reboot?	22:03
andre__	and which hardware?	22:04
dark	n810	22:04
dark	i reboot it and nothing	22:04
Stskeeps	evening andre__	22:04
andre__	heya	22:05
andre__	so i'd guess for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3970	22:05
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dark	i read it all and nothing	22:08
andre__	dark, reading all is better than reading nothing	22:09
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dark	i perform all the steps in the page and nothing	22:10
andre__	which ones?	22:10
dark	format both micro sd and internal	22:11
dark	delete the .meta_data	22:11
dark	sorry .meta_storage	22:12
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andre__	dark, you formatted? in 3 minutes? that was quick and i have my doubts.	22:12
andre__	what about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3970#c14 ?	22:13
dark	y did it yesterday	22:13
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dark	and i played with the backups	22:13
andre__	ah	22:13
andre__	so, tried that package mentioned in comment 14?	22:13
dark	apt-get install osso...-version-rx44	22:15
dark	and nothing	22:15
andre__	what is "and nothing"?	22:15
andre__	please be exact	22:15
andre__	otherwise i guess, and waste time...	22:15
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dark	i installed the osso soft and update my list of app manager	22:16
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andre__	how exactly did you install the "osso soft"?	22:16
andre__	can you please explain, step by step?	22:16
dark	on my terminal	22:17
dark	root	22:17
dark	then	22:17
andre__	how?	22:17
andre__	sudo gainroot ?	22:17
dark	apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44	22:17
dark	yes	22:17
andre__	why that?	22:17
andre__	why ""apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44""?	22:17
dark	uhmm	22:17
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dark	to update and try to reintall the metalayer-crawler	22:18
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dark	the problem here is the metalayer-crawler	22:21
dark	thats it linked with media player	22:21
dark	if im correct	22:21
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andre__	dark, please read comment 14 again in that bug report	22:26
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dark	and now appear no clips	22:34
dark	y reboot it	22:35
andre__	dark, being verbose by exactly explaining your steps helps.	22:35
andre__	i recommend trying what is described in comment 14 in that bug report. if you don't want to try, okay. no other ideas here.	22:36
dark	i just finished to try the comment 14	22:36
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dark	i think its works let me check and confirm	22:37
GeneralAntilles	Where's fiferboy when you need him?	22:38
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dark	perfect	22:39
dark	its works	22:39
andre__	cool	22:39
dark	let me tell you how i need to perform	22:39
dark	for everybody	22:39
dark	first need to be root	22:40
lcuk	put it in the bug report?	22:40
lcuk	so its together?	22:40
lcuk	not here	22:40
lcuk	where ppl wont find it	22:40
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lbt	VDVsx: ping... Re spam?	22:43
* Jaffa uncurries		22:43
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Ceron^	"Olemme saaneet Nokialta arvion jotta Suomen toimitukset alkavat joulukuun alkupuolella.	22:46
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Ceron^	Ilmeisen todellinen syy on että he haluavat viimeistellä softaa, se on tietysti hyvä ja toivotaan että tämä aikataulu ei enää siirry."	22:46
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Ceron^	i said it would be 2010	22:47
Ceron^	at so it will be :D	22:47
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rm_you	anyone have a sec to answer a german language question so I can move on to actually coding? :P	22:48
GeneralAntilles	Mr. Unproductive	22:49
lcuk	gfi rm_you	22:49
rm_you	bah	22:49
rm_you	my ex was in town last week	22:50
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rm_you	and yesterday my house was burglarized	22:50
lcuk	you saw jott again :D	22:50
rm_you	so shhh	22:50
lcuk	:O	22:50
GeneralAntilles	lol	22:50
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rm_you	also it turns out I'm failing the one class i have left before graduation (german)	22:50
rm_you	but if i finish this essay I can start coding :)	22:51
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GeneralAntilles	lol	23:01
GeneralAntilles	What's with people who think modularity is cheaper in mobile devices?	23:01
Stskeeps	people who never saw pci slots	23:02
GeneralAntilles	Silly, silly, silly.	23:02
SpeedEvil	yeah	23:02
SpeedEvil	modularity has _so_ many costs	23:03
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SpeedEvil	You've got the reliability and cost and size penalty of connectors, the difficulty of picking the right size of modules which will of course always be a compromise and involve wasted space, the added weight/volume/... of seperately packaged modules,	23:04
SpeedEvil	cases to guide and secure them and...	23:04
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lcuk	yeah, damn them for modularizing thse pesky chips and things	23:04
GeneralAntilles	FCC costs will be fun, too.	23:04
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: yeah	23:04
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lcuk	shouldnt that be much simpler	23:05
SpeedEvil	lcuk: chips aren't the same thing. You assemble all the chips onto one PCB	23:05
lcuk	group of black boxes fcc approved on their own	23:05
SpeedEvil	lcuk: this has all the wiring integrated into one unit, and does not change, is compact, reliable, fairly light and cheap.	23:05
SpeedEvil	And can be FCC'd in one unit	23:05
lcuk	yeah	23:06
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lcuk	even tho individually the gps is used in 200 devices	23:06
* GeneralAntilles sighs at lcuk.		23:06
lcuk	so gets fcced 200 times	23:06
SpeedEvil	Yes - however.	23:06
lcuk	i just like lego blocks GeneralAntilles :P	23:06
SpeedEvil	you have 3 module slots, and 40 seperate devices. How many combinations is this?	23:07
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GeneralAntilles	Modularity is fragile, bulky and expensive.	23:07
Stskeeps	we have maemo5 on beagle \o/	23:07
SpeedEvil	lcuk: Unfortunately, when you add stuff together, the sum of the emissions is not the sum of all the emissions measured independantly.	23:07
GeneralAntilles	Mobile devices don't have a long lifespan	23:08
lcuk	w00t Stskeeps	23:08
SpeedEvil	lcuk: So you can't simply say phone + gps EMI = phone EMI + GPS EMI	23:08
SpeedEvil	because it doesn't work like that.	23:08
RST38h	Depends on how you carry yours	23:08
lcuk	isnt that where it started? :D	23:08
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, wish I could find a cheap touchscreen.	23:08
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harnir	hello	23:09
lcuk	SpeedEvil, good point	23:09
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RST38h	Speed: In practice it is cheaper and more compact to just throw in everything	23:13
SpeedEvil	RST38h: Almost without exception, yes.	23:13
RST38h	Modules = mechanics = expensive+unreliable	23:13
SpeedEvil	RST38h: though not populating boards can be cheap. yes - that was what I was arguing - when I said that modularity has many costs	23:13
RST38h	yes but you can't populate that board later =)	23:13
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SpeedEvil	Sure you can.	23:14
SpeedEvil	(though others may have less option)	23:14
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lcuk	any idea which gstreamer source doe sthe mic	23:17
lcuk	does the mic	23:17
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lardman	lcuk: might be a v4l2 src	23:25
lcuk	what did you use?	23:26
lcuk	i have the test audio and outputs side running	23:26
lardman	on the n8x0 was a dsppcmsrc iirc	23:26
lardman	but will be different on the N900	23:26
lcuk	ahh yeah	23:26
lcuk	i have had head in yuv rgb stuff quite a bit	23:27
lcuk	thought i needed to hear something else for a little while	23:27
lardman	try /dev/dsp*	23:28
lardman	as the mic	23:28
lardman	anyway, bedtime, feeling pretty shattered	23:29
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lardman	night all	23:29
lcuk	gnite simon	23:29
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lcuk	thx	23:29
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RST38h	wholesalers in china are sorry to disturb my precious time	23:36
RST38h	<DELETE>	23:37
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rm_you	srsly, any native german speakers online currently? :P	23:46
qwerty12_N810	Does knowing German swear words qualify one as a native speaker?	23:47
rm_you	also, I've been thinking of continuing to handle backlight AND volume in ABL in fremantle and manually remove the builtin volume statusbar bit, because I'm discovering that space is still seriously limited in the statusbar	23:47
rm_you	oppinions?	23:47
GeneralAntilles	Do it.	23:48
Xisdibik	rm_you: im not a native german speaker but i talk to 2 of them, whats up?	23:48
rm_you	qwerty12_N810: if you know the best way to say "You are wrong" in german ("du bist falsch" is the best i can come up with and is apparently wrong >_<)	23:48
GeneralAntilles	Open source > Nokia shit.	23:48
GeneralAntilles	pupnik!	23:48
rm_you	^^ Xisdibik	23:49
Xisdibik	read it, asking	23:49
qwerty12_N810	rm_you: I'm not a native speaker in that case...	23:49
rm_you	heh	23:49
rm_you	it seems like a stupid simple phrase	23:49
rm_you	but apparently is not immediately obvious to a native english speaker >_>	23:49
pupnik	hi	23:50
Xisdibik	rm_you: he asked : well there is an elegant way, a rude way...	23:50
qwerty12_N810	rm_you: Although, if you have to do essays, anyway, why not go for a subject where you can do them in a language you speak: English :p	23:50
Xisdibik	rm_you: which would you like	23:50
Flyser	Du hast unrecht would be a possible translation	23:50
GeneralAntilles	pupnik, help rm_you with his German homework so he can actually be productive. :P	23:50
Xisdibik	rm_you: most of the time i would say "das stimmt nicht" which means "that's not true"	23:50
pupnik	germans do not say "you are wrong~	23:51
pupnik	it is a silly statement	23:51
pupnik	people arent wrong	23:51
pupnik	their statements can be	23:51
Xisdibik	rm_you: very gentleman-like would be "Da liegen Sie falsch."	23:51
pupnik	so germans say "that is wrong"	23:51
rm_you	ah	23:52
rm_you	ok	23:52
RST38h	hmm	23:52
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rm_you	so like	23:52
Xisdibik	pupnik: i disagree, alot of americans are wrong ;)	23:52
rm_you	instead of saying "he was wrong" you could say "he thought wrong"?	23:52
* Xisdibik is american		23:52
rm_you	Flyser: i thought Unrecht was like... injustice :P like... that's wrong in a moral sense	23:53
RST38h	But not Germans!	23:53
* RST38h found it the hard way in the Frankfurt airport once		23:53
* timeless_mbp pokes people		23:53
timeless_mbp	rm_you: did you install my package? :)	23:53
pupnik	ive noticed some interesting differences to the anglophile us traditions	23:53
* Xisdibik is poked		23:53
rm_you	timeless_mbp: which one	23:53
Flyser	rm_you: means both injustice and wrong	23:53
timeless_mbp	the localization	23:53
rm_you	ah what's it called	23:53
Xisdibik	timeless_mbp: give me my n900 and i will be glad to ;	23:53
pupnik	yes rm_you	23:53
pupnik	also depends on context	23:54
pupnik	in pub you say "du idiot!"	23:54
rm_you	pupnik: so... Er glaubt, dass er das Auto reparieren kann, aber er glaubt falsch. ?	23:54
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rm_you	for example	23:54
pupnik	that is right	23:54
Flyser	er liegt falsch would be better	23:54
pupnik	k	23:55
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Xisdibik	pupnik: how about Du bist ein Dummkopf? ;)	23:55
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pupnik	thcould be friendly or cause for a vicil suit	23:56
pupnik	civil	23:56
Flyser	Xisdibik: lol. Noone uses the word "Dummkopf"	23:56
Flyser	at least not where I live	23:56
rm_you	heh	23:56
GeneralAntilles	Talk is like a room full of idiots and trolls.	23:57
GeneralAntilles	It's one vicious cycle.	23:57
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timeless_mbp	could someone please tell me what "enterotabletit" is	23:57
fiferboy_n900	lardman - ping	23:58
pupnik	"software is cake you can have and eat too" -arnim	23:58
RST38h	does it cause diabetes?	23:58
pupnik	why GeneralAntilles	23:58
pupnik	:)	23:58
fiferboy_n900	lardman\|gone - here?	23:58
GeneralAntilles	pupnik, the trolls troll, the idiots eat it up, the trolls troll some more.	23:58
GeneralAntilles	End result is massive IQ drops.	23:59
rm_you	alright, finishing up this paragraph and maybe can actually get something done	23:59
rm_you	for once	23:59
qwerty12_N810	fiferboy_n900: He went to sleep	23:59
GeneralAntilles	fiferboy_n900, how about some applets relating to SMS/mail/calls, etc?	23:59
rm_you	i'm just glad the burglers decided my server and networking wasn't worth taking when they could just grab a PS3 and a wii	23:59
qwerty12_N810	GeneralAntilles: Seen conversations-home-widget? That one does SMS	23:59
pupnik	GeneralAntilles: happens in various forums - sad	23:59
GeneralAntilles	pupnik, that cycle drives out the reasonable people and things just start over again at a new, lower level.	23:59

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