| lbt | you can port apps from them fairly easily | 00:00 |
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| Arkenklo | what are the in-similarities? | 00:00 |
| lbt | same reason you can't install debian repos to ubuntu | 00:00 |
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| Arkenklo | let me rephrase that: what differs | 00:01 |
| lbt | a distro is a consistent set of packages - same compile arch; same libs etc. | 00:01 |
| lbt | maemo makes mods to may packages and just isn't debian | 00:02 |
| Arkenklo | but as long as all dependencies are fulfilled, what's stopping you? | 00:02 |
| lbt | nothing | 00:02 |
| lbt | feel free to try it | 00:02 |
| Arkenklo | ah, well then | 00:02 |
| lbt | some stuff will work | 00:02 |
| lbt | but some will break | 00:02 |
| Arkenklo | that's what I thought | 00:02 |
| lbt | on-disk layout varies | 00:02 |
| lbt | we now have /opt | 00:02 |
| * lbt gags slightly saying that | 00:02 | |
| aSIMULAter | <3 n900wallpapers.com | 00:03 |
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| lbt | aSIMULAter: tell wazd_ | 00:03 |
| aSIMULAter | i have some uhm...wallapeprs which i did a few months ago which i can add in there ijust need to remember | 00:03 |
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| wazd_ | That's not me! | 00:04 |
| * wazd_ runs | 00:04 | |
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| wazd | lbt: tell what? :) | 00:07 |
| lbt | n900wallpapers.com | 00:07 |
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| GAN900 | Hooray for EDGE fail. :( | 00:11 |
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| GAN900 | ~ping | 00:12 |
| infobot | ~pong | 00:12 |
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| GAN900 | Damn, Google downgraded us to the mobile version. :( | 00:13 |
| javispedro | What? | 00:13 |
| igagis | Hi | 00:13 |
| javispedro | GAN900: are you using the n900 bookmark? | 00:13 |
| javispedro | last time I typed google.com in sdk i went straight to desktop version. | 00:13 |
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| igagis | how do I enable extras-devel in FREMANTLE scratchbox target? | 00:14 |
| igagis | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free ??? | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | Searching with the awesome bar. | 00:14 |
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| GAN900 | andn non-free if you want. | 00:15 |
| igagis | hm | 00:15 |
| igagis | that does not work for me... | 00:15 |
| lcuk | which file are you updating | 00:16 |
| igagis | apt-get update fails | 00:16 |
| igagis | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' | 00:16 |
| igagis | lcuk: /etc/apt/sources.list | 00:16 |
| igagis | it was working some time ago | 00:16 |
| igagis | but now it does not | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | Ovi Maps pretty much doesn't work on EDGE. | 00:16 |
| lcuk | GAN900, map preload? | 00:17 |
| lcuk | Jaffa found a site which lets you download | 00:17 |
| GAN900 | Map loading | 00:17 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, was going to do it the real consumer way. | 00:17 |
| lcuk | http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html | 00:17 |
| lcuk | yeah but if you had an n8x0 this was consumer way | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | Well, this isn't an N8x0 | 00:18 |
| * lcuk facepalms | 00:19 | |
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| lcuk | ok if anyone on n900 wants maps for their country/region in one go, dl from there and copy on | 00:19 |
| lcuk | this functionality should be part of pcsuite | 00:20 |
| lcuk | tho since ive never run pcsuite im not sure whether it is | 00:20 |
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| GAN900 | Hehe | 00:22 |
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| lardman | no it's not afaicr | 00:23 |
| lcuk | damnnation | 00:24 |
| javispedro | ~ping | 00:25 |
| infobot | ~pong | 00:25 |
| lardman | locusts? | 00:25 |
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| zerojayN900 | Gan900: got your thunk sound yet? | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | FM transmitter sounds amazing. | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | Nope | 00:27 |
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| zerojayN900 | k, i'!l try tonight. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | fm transmitter shouldnt make a single sound :S | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | So much better than my shit cassette adaptor. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | if it does, see a doctor | 00:27 |
| johnsq | *lol* | 00:28 |
| cpt_nemo | What is the recommended method to build a package for Maemo (Diablo, host is Debian Lenny)? | 00:28 |
| derf | The last FM transmitter I tried was completely useless. | 00:28 |
| derf | There's basically no clear frequencies at all in the whole FM band where I live. | 00:28 |
| lardman | need more power! | 00:28 |
| GAN900 | derf, me too. | 00:29 |
| lcuk | derf, at 3foot from the stereo, just override whatever you want | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | i replace BBC radio 1 with NOKIA when i get in the car | 00:29 |
| GAN900 | But this works really well so far. | 00:29 |
| lcuk | the only bad effect is mrs lcuk hits me cos she doesnt like my music | 00:29 |
| derf | lardman: I think whoever designed the transmitter was concerned about "battery life" or some crock like that. | 00:29 |
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| javispedro | quite an interesting thing to be concerned at. | 00:29 |
| lardman | derf: I've not even tried it yet, might do so tomorrow in the car | 00:29 |
| lcuk | heh @ battery uptime rated in the seconds | 00:30 |
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| derf | I mean, I've got a cigarette lighter->USB adapter, so battery life shouldn't be that important. | 00:30 |
| lardman | there used to be transmission power limits iirc | 00:30 |
| GAN900 | FCC | 00:31 |
| derf | Silly FCC. | 00:31 |
| lcuk | "total_power = (charging)?200:100;" | 00:31 |
| lardman | probably still are, but they used to be very strict - over in the UK they were banned for a long time | 00:31 |
| GAN900 | damn USB charging. | 00:31 |
| GAN900 | I can't charge this goddamn thing in the car without a Nokia charger. | 00:31 |
| GAN900 | Hooray USB charging. :\ | 00:32 |
| lcuk | lardman, thats cos the CB/HAM squad used to happily talk about global radio communication with just a few amps | 00:32 |
| javispedro | and to think it was supposed to standarize *sigh* | 00:32 |
| lcuk | or ma or whatever it was | 00:32 |
| GAN900 | Faildardize | 00:32 |
| cpt_nemo | GAN900: There's a charger for Nokia that is USB-powered. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | GAN900, important point also, if there were some sort of charge dock | 00:32 |
| lcuk | it would be upside down | 00:32 |
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| GAN900 | Nokia needs to sell those factory diagnostic docks they had at the Summit. | 00:33 |
| GAN900 | cpt_nemo it wont take a charge from a dumb charger with data pins. | 00:33 |
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| cpt_nemo | GAN900: You mean a charger that connects to the USB port on the tablet? | 00:35 |
| GAN900 | Yes, if you buy one of those aftermarket USB chargers to connect a MicroUSB data cable to it wont charge. | 00:35 |
| GAN900 | It either needs power pings only or negotiate. | 00:36 |
| cpt_nemo | GAN900: I have one that plugs into the USB port of a computer and delivers the charge to the device through the little round plug that e.g. the N810 has. | 00:36 |
| GAN900 | Which basically eliminates any real convenience. | 00:36 |
| cpt_nemo | I'm assuming the charging jack of the N900 is the same. | 00:36 |
| GAN900 | N900 is microusb | 00:36 |
| GAN900 | Only | 00:36 |
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| cpt_nemo | Ah. The N810 has both. | 00:37 |
| GAN900 | Yes, I know. ;) | 00:37 |
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| cpt_nemo | Is there a (reasonable) workaround for the problem that prevents the maemo-sdk tools etch-2008 from installing properly? | 00:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | What's the issue with being upside down if the screen inverts? | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, if the phone rings and you pick it up | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | there is a normal assumption to not have to rotate it | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish they'd standardised on a connector that diddn't suck so badly for docking | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | yeah ive had docks for a while and especially if moving towards wanting portrait | 00:45 |
| lcuk | with 810 the stand was ok and kinda sturdy, but on the desk my devices live in the crate | 00:45 |
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| pupnik | evening :) | 00:50 |
| javispedro | hi pupnik | 00:50 |
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| lardman | hmm, osso-abook stuff is confusing | 00:53 |
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| lardman | e.g. OssoABookProfileGroup is A smart group for currently present contacts. | 00:54 |
| lardman | but I don't see any signal to tell you the underlying group has changed | 00:54 |
| lardman | presumably I must be able to add a callback to some signal rather than needing to continaully poll and check if anyone has gone/come online | 00:55 |
| lardman | then there is OssoABookRoster — Presence aware addressbook view. | 00:55 |
| lardman | which has some signals, but they seem to be related to complete contacts being added/deleted from the database, rather than their status changing | 00:56 |
| lcuk | lardman, i think visibility status comes from the underlying provider | 00:56 |
| lcuk | which are you trying to add | 00:56 |
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| lardman | I want to obtain a list of online contacts, and be told when the list changes | 00:57 |
| lcuk | ahhh gnarly | 00:57 |
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| lardman | dude? | 00:58 |
| lardman | ;) | 00:58 |
| lcuk | haha | 00:58 |
| lcuk | i dunno, ask jaffa what he found | 00:58 |
| Vulcanis | Gnarly's Not A Really Long acronYm? | 00:58 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:59 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: ping | 01:00 |
| * GAN900 sighs. | 01:01 | |
| GAN900 | Forgot my wallet, of course. | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | lardman, doesnt the OssoABookRoster have any kind of refreshed/updated signal | 01:02 |
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| lardman | yeah, but I'm not sure if it indicates contacts joining the roster or the underlying addressbook | 01:02 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso-abook/OssoABookRoster.html#OssoABookRoster-status-message | 01:04 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso-abook/OssoABookRoster.html#OssoABookRoster-contacts-changed | 01:05 |
| lardman | yeah, but does it indicate stuff being added to the roster or the underlying addressbook? | 01:05 |
| lcuk | seem viable things to look at | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | This signal is emitted when contacts of the underlying addressbook are changed. | 01:05 |
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| lardman | yuck, GtkTreeModel | 01:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hey | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i noticed 'gettext' (shell script) was looking for /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive on Mer (and not finding it) | 01:25 |
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| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, what's the resolution of the accelerometer? | 01:32 |
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| lardman | milli-g iirc | 01:33 |
| lardman | though it's probably not actually that accurate | 01:33 |
| lardman | should be in the wiki iirc | 01:33 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, yeah, just trying to find out what the minimum variation is | 01:33 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, -1000..1000 appears to waver in steps of ~15 | 01:33 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, lying on a still table, the values vary by over 20 | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | naybody knows the actual gmeter chip? | 01:34 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:34 |
| lcuk | that random noise is actually good for flow :) | 01:34 |
| lardman | anyone know anything about McProfile? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | its what gets filtered out using the algo on the accel wiki page | 01:35 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: in the kernel patch | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | no source here yet ;-) | 01:36 |
| lardman | repo? | 01:37 |
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| ifreq | yello | 01:37 |
| ifreq | anyone know where i can aquire 8Gb or 16Gb sdhc card converted to mmc? | 01:38 |
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| ifreq | found one site but dunno if the maker is still alive :) | 01:38 |
| lardman | for 770? | 01:39 |
| ifreq | yes | 01:39 |
| lardman | I see; no idea mind you, sorry | 01:39 |
| ifreq | lardman: found nice multimedia player so its still quite usable :) (canola2 beta) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, afaik datasheets of all gmeter chips are publically available | 01:39 |
| ifreq | ah too bad | 01:39 |
| ifreq | would be nice still to use this old lady :) | 01:39 |
| lardman | someone may know, just not me | 01:39 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ | 01:40 |
| lcuk | wow, maemo.org boot vid sequence http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=347896 | 01:40 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you seen this ^ | 01:40 |
| zerojay | Isn't it his? | 01:41 |
| zerojay | Oh, never mind. | 01:41 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, you need to learn to indent and comment your code :P | 01:41 |
| crashanddie_ | and need more talking variable names | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: thanks. Alas (for crashanddie_ ) I won't grep it for the gmeter chip name. So probably I can't help ATM | 01:42 |
| lardman | just grep it for accelerometer | 01:43 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, code IS indented, and the variable names are there and gone immediately, though, there is some useless mem copies in that version | 01:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | int bx=*ax; | 01:43 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | I just spent 30s trying to remember what the =* operator was, and how it could apply to a non-instantiated variable | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | *ax=oax+(bx-oax)*0.1; | 01:44 |
| lcuk | i just hate mixing up operators and conversions - it muddles with my head | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | OK | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | for someone reading the code, trying to track what ax, oax and bx map to is just nastiness | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | pure evil | 01:45 |
| crashanddie_ | :P | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | and? | 01:45 |
| lcuk | look at algo for converting YUV to RGB | 01:45 |
| lcuk | Y = ( ( 66 * R + 129 * G + 25 * B + 128) >> 8) + 16 | 01:45 |
| lcuk | U = ( ( -38 * R - 74 * G + 112 * B + 128) >> 8) + 128 | 01:45 |
| lcuk | V = ( ( 112 * R - 94 * G - 18 * B + 128) >> 8) + 128 | 01:45 |
| crashanddie_ | just saying, if you're going to use your own code to show an example, at least make the effort of making it readable | 01:45 |
| * lcuk hates evil conversions but they work | 01:45 | |
| lcuk | its a wiki! | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | show us how to do it:P | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | I can understand you don't give a shit about the people who want to work with you, but if you're going to promote your own code, at least make it roughly understandable | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | ps, note the python interface above mine ;) | 01:47 |
| vladovg | hi | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | and that, sadly, is one of the reasons I've never produced a single interesting thing using liqbase, and probably why nobody else has (excepted for zach). You're an amazing coder, but fuck me if you can work with other people | 01:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | you just spend more time trying to catch up with what you're doing than anything interesting | 01:47 |
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| vladovg | some one know wat is the comand for offline mode on 810 | 01:48 |
| lcuk | nahhh seb i just following an idea | 01:48 |
| vladovg | to put in personal menu as shorcut | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: LIS302 3axis gmeter chip for instance has +/-2g / +/-8g range, and a 8bit readout register per axis | 01:48 |
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| zerojay | crashanddie_: Tell us what you really think. ;) | 01:49 |
| crashanddie_ | zerojay, trust me, I softened | 01:49 |
| zerojay | crashanddie_: Yeah, it's not hard to see that you're a very 'no bullshit' kind of guy. | 01:50 |
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| crashanddie_ | zerojay, I blame hugh laurie | 01:50 |
| zerojay | crashanddie_: lol | 01:50 |
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| Ppupnik | wow slow connection | 01:52 |
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| pupnik | anybody just starting with osm? | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie_, at any point in the last 18 months i could have stopped and concentrated on one application. believe me, enough people say it. but i have a bigger idea and to implement that i need to know that i can handle everything | 01:53 |
| pupnik | setting initial edit region is too hard | 01:53 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, that's your fucking problem mate, you can't handle everything | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: I've done it for a while | 01:54 |
| crashanddie_ | talk about illusion of grandeur | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: in what client | 01:54 |
| lardman | when in doubt mail the list and ask for help | 01:54 |
| lardman | my motto for the week | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: also #osm over on irc.oftc.net | 01:54 |
| pupnik | osm2go on n900 | 01:54 |
| pupnik | asks for lat + long | 01:54 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, of course i cant handle everything, but i have a pretty damned good idea what works and what doesnt | 01:55 |
| pupnik | need to retry now with network | 01:55 |
| pupnik | got to file bugreports though! | 01:55 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, you keep trying to get a job, but pure technical genius won't land you a job, any sound business person will hire 10 mediocre geniuses who know how to document their code than 1 who can't | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: just used josm and potlatch - the flash editor | 01:55 |
| crashanddie_ | s/code than/code rather than/ | 01:55 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: lcuk, you keep trying to get a job, but pure technical genius won't land you a job, any sound business person will hire 10 mediocre geniuses who know how to document their code rather than 1 who can't | 01:55 |
| lcuk | people have different skills | 01:56 |
| crashanddie_ | the only it'll get you is working for some idiot who has no idea what you're on about, will underestimate you, exploit you and give you crap stuff to do | 01:57 |
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| lcuk | so then have you idea how it should be done. | 01:58 |
| lbt | lcuk: the man talks sense | 01:59 |
| lcuk | indeed he does | 02:00 |
| lcuk | but i have an idea and im trying to make it work | 02:00 |
| pupnik | i like how maemo5 feels a lot like liqbase - lots of flicky scroll action | 02:01 |
| pupnik | can sketches or other files be linked to calendar entries? | 02:02 |
| lcuk | just sketches for now | 02:02 |
| lcuk | but anything technically possible | 02:02 |
| pupnik | i was amused to see the very alpha status of the games | 02:04 |
| pupnik | i was thinking of maemo lcuk | 02:04 |
| lcuk | ahh other way round, dont think so, and ical doesnt support em i dont think | 02:05 |
| pupnik | i could not find a data sim yet - youj? | 02:07 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:07 |
| lcuk | o2 normal one works | 02:07 |
| pupnik | the dude said "no data until official release" | 02:07 |
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| pupnik | ahh | 02:07 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie_, so come on then, how do i make liqbase more open. its had the stuff i want to do in it for this long, im comfortable with most of what the n8x0 and n900 series can do | 02:08 |
| lcuk | how do we bring it to the users' perspective | 02:08 |
| lcuk | so its useful | 02:08 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, same thing I've been asking for the past year | 02:09 |
| crashanddie_ | documentation, documentation, documentation, roadmap | 02:09 |
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| lcuk | ok | 02:09 |
| lcuk | to document it i will need help. zach and i went through an awful lot | 02:10 |
| lcuk | but more is needed, it will involve me talking more | 02:10 |
| lcuk | im not gonna document this to your standards on my own | 02:10 |
| lardman | stop changing code and do the docs? | 02:10 |
| lcuk | yes, thats mostly happened now | 02:11 |
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| lcuk | i work mainly in the app side | 02:11 |
| lcuk | than bug fixes in the library | 02:11 |
| lardman | I'd also like to see you focus on writing an app that uses the framework | 02:11 |
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| lcuk | i have been writing a presentation program this last 2 weeks | 02:11 |
| lardman | cool | 02:11 |
| lcuk | i can open up the development of that | 02:11 |
| lcuk | it involves multiple slides | 02:12 |
| lardman | and video out? | 02:12 |
| lcuk | designed as liqbase windows | 02:12 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:12 |
| crashanddie_ | and bullet points and fonts? | 02:12 |
| lcuk | each slide can be ANYTHING from liqbase | 02:12 |
| lcuk | from a normal slide with words | 02:12 |
| lardman | what does the liqbase windows do for it? | 02:12 |
| crashanddie_ | and bright yellow backgrounds with blue text? (just kidding) | 02:12 |
| lardman | ah, anything on any slide | 02:12 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:12 |
| lcuk | so in the middle of a slide on one of the page | 02:13 |
| lcuk | i might have a user list | 02:13 |
| lcuk | which i can click and pop out | 02:13 |
| lcuk | or scroll around | 02:13 |
| lcuk | during the presentation | 02:13 |
| lcuk | fully working widgets on a fully multi desktop presentation | 02:13 |
| lcuk | fully working on n8x0 and n900 | 02:13 |
| lardman | why not just allow straight video out for the playground? Would that not achieve the same thing? | 02:13 |
| lcuk | i do | 02:13 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:13 |
| lcuk | it has next/prev buttons | 02:14 |
| crashanddie_ | video out already works on playground | 02:14 |
| lardman | ah ok | 02:14 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, he demoed it at odz | 02:14 |
| lcuk | next/prev work on n8x0 MUCH better than kinetic swipe panning | 02:14 |
| lcuk | yes, the video out portion | 02:14 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: ah yes I remember now | 02:14 |
| lcuk | the presentation software was only a glimmer of an idea | 02:14 |
| pupnik | what is the right way to auto-download "podcasts" to tablet? | 02:15 |
| lcuk | i was using it at the summit | 02:15 |
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| lcuk | and was going to do presentation in it | 02:15 |
| lardman | well for presentation/video out make sure you add a starburst whereever the touch occurs so people can see it happen, if you're going to demonstrate a component rather than the contents | 02:15 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, the main problem I see, is that from an end-user perspective, nothing has changed since you initially demoed the software one year ago | 02:15 |
| pupnik | nice idea lardman | 02:15 |
| pupnik | could be a plugin type applet | 02:15 |
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| lardman | pupnik: was needed for all the demos, was really hard to tell what was happening | 02:15 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman, yup, hard to follow, we don't know where the cursor is | 02:16 |
| crashanddie_ | because it's connected to someone else's finger | 02:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'd be tempted to turn liqplayground into a desktop replacement | 02:16 |
| pupnik | or as a quick hack just enable x pointer for demos | 02:16 |
| lardman | allow app launching, etc | 02:16 |
| lcuk | like i said lardman, ive got an idea | 02:16 |
| lcuk | liq* applets ARE apps | 02:16 |
| lardman | what is your idea? | 02:16 |
| lcuk | the battery goes from 8 pixels upto fullscreensize | 02:17 |
| lardman | yeah, but they aren't the apps everyone is used to | 02:17 |
| lcuk | they are the apps I can create | 02:17 |
| lcuk | the apps i like | 02:17 |
| lcuk | fiferboy has a birdwatching program | 02:17 |
| lcuk | you have a barcode app | 02:17 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, I know what I said before about nothing changing is absolutely not true, I know of all of the applets you wrote, that being said, they are extremely personal, and I'm yet to hear about anyone using liqbase on a daily basis the way you do (notes, calendar) | 02:17 |
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| lcuk | jaffa has hermes | 02:17 |
| lcuk | .... | 02:17 |
| lardman | ok, but for other people to use it day-to-day you'll need to let them use their old favs | 02:17 |
| pupnik | im trying to learn nokias framework | 02:18 |
| * lcuk nods | 02:18 | |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, I hate my handwriting, I hate it even more on a touchscreen cuz it's awkward and weird to write on it | 02:18 |
| crashanddie_ | (no press feedback, etc) | 02:18 |
| ali1234 | i'm trying to learn opengl es and scratchbox is being a pita :( | 02:19 |
| crashanddie_ | (compared to pen and paper) | 02:19 |
| pupnik | is there a public summit feed to submit pics to? | 02:19 |
| crashanddie_ | pupnik, maesum tag | 02:19 |
| lcuk | lardman, lets put it this way, i dont care about the implementation - maemo is multicultured and if its possible in gtk and someone writes it , im happy | 02:19 |
| lardman | another option is to keep it as a playground and just go completely for cool hacks - handwriting recog, new desktop ui ideas, etc., etc | 02:19 |
| lcuk | it is for ideas :) | 02:19 |
| lardman | lcuk: sure, I was just thinking of how to get people using it day to day | 02:19 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, how do you sell that? | 02:20 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie_, depends who your customer is | 02:20 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, your employer | 02:20 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, why would I hire you, based on liqbase? | 02:20 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, for an employer i have spent 9 years coding up specific implementations of things to spec | 02:21 |
| lcuk | thats not an issue | 02:21 |
| lcuk | this is open source i can do it at my own leasure - i am customer #1 who is using the software perfectly well every day | 02:21 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, you want a job where you can play with this device, why would I want you on my team? | 02:21 |
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| lcuk | because i make things happen | 02:22 |
| pupnik | because of experience designing software for anh employer also | 02:22 |
| lcuk | i have never to date failed at anything commercial i have done | 02:22 |
| pupnik | oooh i hung the web shortcuts app | 02:23 |
| lcuk | try doing the odz stuff on gtk or qt | 02:23 |
| lcuk | or anywhere else | 02:23 |
| crashanddie_ | the odz stuff is just reading the accelerometer input and sending it to the server | 02:23 |
| lcuk | try it | 02:23 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, and I've been doing what, exactly, for the past 3 hours? | 02:24 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, I'm just waiting for the PySide guys to fix the packages and upload them to extras | 02:24 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, I've made my initial point | 02:26 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm out, take care everyone | 02:26 |
| pupnik | cheers | 02:26 |
| pupnik | the dedicated camera button is sweer | 02:27 |
| pupnik | t | 02:27 |
| pupnik | i can get video recording started much faster than with my real camera | 02:27 |
| pupnik | slight jerkiness in panning and motion though | 02:28 |
| pupnik | hope that can be ironed out | 02:28 |
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| ali1234 | why does scratchbox have to suck so much? | 02:32 |
| pupnik | ali1234 what are you using as a base / example project? | 02:32 |
| ali1234 | nothing | 02:32 |
| lardman | don't you just hate realising you've not put the bins & recycling out just before you go to bed? | 02:32 |
| pupnik | yes | 02:33 |
| lcuk | dont you just hate getting a summons for putting your bins out the night before they collect! | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | pupnik: i'm just trying to compile the hellotriangle thing | 02:33 |
| lcuk | thats almost illegal now isnt it lardman | 02:33 |
| lardman | well, who's going to wander round at this time of night? ;) | 02:33 |
| lardman | and they want everything out before 7am too | 02:34 |
| lcuk | yeah lol | 02:34 |
| lcuk | so now, technically its morning and before 7am! | 02:34 |
| lardman | though they don't often collect before 11am | 02:34 |
| lardman | yeah :) | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | oh nice - gpe is avail | 02:35 |
| woglinde | good nite | 02:35 |
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| pupnik | ey woglinde | 02:35 |
| pupnik | damn | 02:35 |
| ali1234 | does the n900 kernel support nfs? | 02:36 |
| pupnik | heh another masochist | 02:37 |
| pupnik | hail brother | 02:37 |
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| sopi | for those who are interested: garage svn repos are read-write again, see http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021448.html | 02:42 |
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| sopi | good night or good day for you all | 02:42 |
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| lardman | night night chaps | 02:43 |
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| pupnik | root partition full error uninformative "malformed database-schema - " | 02:44 |
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| |R | wooo Zagg is on the way to make an N900 screen protector :) | 03:02 |
| VDVsx | eehh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBHDnpSFE0 | 03:02 |
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| |R | nice :) | 03:05 |
| |R | So what's the video format for the boot up logo? | 03:05 |
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| pupnik | dunno | 03:07 |
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| pupnik | wheres the howto add pipe key | 03:07 |
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| VDVsx | |R, .avi works and seems that also support static images and sound ;) | 03:18 |
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| pupnik | heh / fills fast | 03:23 |
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| pupnik | "conversations" works nicely to catch/beep irc messages | 03:34 |
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| Xisdibik | GAN900 your number changed? or has it always been 900 :/ | 03:52 |
| pupnik_ | yes no | 03:53 |
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| frals | i think he got upgraded ;) | 03:58 |
| lcuk | he not the only one lol | 04:00 |
| pupnik_ | n810 users can gloat that they have superior speakers | 04:00 |
| lcuk | good thing the devices are on the whole interchangable | 04:01 |
| lcuk | the camera and phone just means i can take it outside | 04:01 |
| pupnik_ | n900 is amazing. godly. | 04:02 |
| pupnik_ | kbd so easy | 04:02 |
| lcuk | i have 1 gripe about keyboard only | 04:02 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 04:02 |
| lcuk | when configuring a machine i have to enter ip addresses | 04:03 |
| lcuk | i double tap alt key and type number | 04:03 |
| pupnik_ | so map question mark to "." | 04:03 |
| lcuk | and i have to go out of number mode to type a dot | 04:03 |
| pupnik_ | and assign question mael to fn+up-arrow | 04:03 |
| lcuk | its not that frequent, hence not problem | 04:04 |
| pupnik_ | we do have 5 free keys on the right :) ! | 04:04 |
| lcuk | just the only time i notice | 04:04 |
| pupnik_ | same here | 04:04 |
| lcuk | it works if you hold alt to do number sequence | 04:04 |
| lcuk | just more fiddly | 04:04 |
| ali1234 | alt+1 is hard to type with thumbs | 04:05 |
| * lcuk nods | 04:05 | |
| pupnik_ | fn+backspace = esc, fn + enter="bar" , fn+left="<" | 04:06 |
| pupnik_ | dunno bout fn up / down | 04:06 |
| ali1234 | why oh why won't someone make a device in psion 5 form factor with up to date arm hardware? | 04:06 |
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| pupnik_ | need tab also | 04:06 |
| derf | ^I | 04:06 |
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| pupnik_ | how bout a keymapper applet? | 04:07 |
| ali1234 | tab is ctrl + i | 04:07 |
| derf | That's what I said. | 04:07 |
| pupnik_ | ty! | 04:08 |
| ali1234 | sorry i thought you just fell asleep on kb :) | 04:08 |
| pupnik_ | also note ctrl+enter does fullscreen toggle for some apps | 04:09 |
| pupnik_ | any other xterm tips? | 04:09 |
| ali1234 | zoom keys change font size? | 04:09 |
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| lcuk | what font is talk.maemo.org in | 04:10 |
| ali1234 | has anyone ever successfully typed a ~ in xterm? | 04:10 |
| pupnik_ | dunno - see page source? | 04:10 |
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| pupnik_ | ctrl-backspace returns to process overview | 04:12 |
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| pupnik_ | rootfs 233344 bytes? | 04:17 |
| pupnik_ | /usr/share and /usr/lib are filling all that! | 04:18 |
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| GAN900 | Xisdibik, changed it last week. ;) | 04:22 |
| GAN900 | It was GAN800 since about January 2007 before that. | 04:22 |
| pupnik_ | gan900 yo dude is your rootfs filling up fast? | 04:22 |
| GAN900 | Not since people have been optifying. | 04:23 |
| pupnik_ | i just had to kill locales | 04:23 |
| GAN900 | and sorry for missing the summit, pupnik_. :( | 04:23 |
| pupnik_ | well now im stuck | 04:23 |
| pupnik_ | was a great time man | 04:24 |
| GAN900 | Kill the startup movie in /usr/share/hildon-welcome | 04:24 |
| pupnik_ | ty | 04:24 |
| GAN900 | and make sure Fennec and xulrunner are gone. | 04:24 |
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| pupnik_ | only /usr/share/microb-engine/defaults/pref/xulrunner.js found | 04:28 |
| pupnik_ | oh libxul.so is big | 04:30 |
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| pupnik_ | omg browsing with hw key zoom rules :) | 04:35 |
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| Proteous | just like a n810... | 04:44 |
| pupnik_ | no, this resizes fast | 04:46 |
| Proteous | hehe | 04:46 |
| Proteous | yea yeah, you people and your cortex CPUs | 04:46 |
| pupnik_ | not tempting users to hit plis several times wondering if it registered... | 04:46 |
| Proteous | blaah | 04:46 |
| pupnik_ | websites are real fast | 04:47 |
| Proteous | soooo, anyone interested in a slightly used n97? | 04:47 |
| pupnik_ | pc-like | 04:47 |
| Proteous | w00t | 04:48 |
| pupnik_ | i am totally sold btw | 04:48 |
| Proteous | my 90degree connector VGA cable arrived for my arcade | 04:48 |
| Proteous | was a pain in the ass to find one | 04:48 |
| Proteous | pupnik_: somehow I will justify buying one | 04:48 |
| pupnik_ | will try to find a special person to buy a n900 for :) | 04:48 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 04:48 |
| smackpotato | how is the screen size | 04:49 |
| pupnik_ | want see some n900 pics from summit? | 04:49 |
| pupnik_ | fine | 04:49 |
| pupnik_ | i appreciate going back to n810 size tho | 04:49 |
| Proteous | pics of what? | 04:49 |
| Proteous | saw some videos | 04:49 |
| Proteous | unboxing ones *cry* | 04:49 |
| pupnik_ | only a few upliaded | 04:49 |
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| ali1234 | i find it amusing that this thing plays flash video better than my desktop pc does | 04:52 |
| ali1234 | wait, no, i find it really annoying | 04:53 |
| Proteous | heh | 04:53 |
| smackpotato | how olds your desktop | 04:54 |
| ali1234 | really really old | 04:54 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/7202378@N04/ | 04:54 |
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| pupnik_ | need to upload rest | 04:54 |
| pupnik_ | and get lappy online for bugsquash | 04:54 |
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| JayBomb999 | I read at unwiredview.com that none of the N900 widgets are "scrollable". Is this accurate? | 04:56 |
| pupnik_ | no, there are scrolly number choosers | 04:57 |
| pupnik_ | e.g. setting date /time | 04:57 |
| pupnik_ | a good reviewer should notice those | 04:57 |
| JayBomb999 | That's nto really a widget though is it? | 04:57 |
| JayBomb999 | *not | 04:57 |
| pupnik_ | dunno | 04:57 |
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| zerojayN900 | scrolling is against the desktop ui guidelines. | 04:58 |
| JayBomb999 | Manual, vertical scrolling is against the guidelines? | 04:58 |
| zerojayN900 | panning too. | 04:58 |
| JayBomb999 | Panning I understand. | 04:59 |
| zerojayN900 | wait, might just be panning. | 04:59 |
| zerojayN900 | rss scrolls. | 05:00 |
| smackpotato | whats wrong with scrolling | 05:00 |
| Solarion | it sucks | 05:00 |
| JayBomb999 | It seemed like a strange thing to omit, that's why the claim on unwiredview.com struck me. | 05:00 |
| Solarion | it just sucks less than other things. :) | 05:01 |
| zerojayN900 | think rss is the only scrolling widget. | 05:01 |
| JayBomb999 | So, on the AP news widget, there is no way to scroll back up, to view missed headlines... to use an example? | 05:01 |
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| zerojayN900 | i never tried it. | 05:02 |
| JayBomb999 | twitter, facebook etc. I am I the only one who thinks that would be useful. :) | 05:03 |
| JayBomb999 | let me try that sentence again... | 05:03 |
| Xisdibik | SpeedEvil: were you on the other night asking about a torrent? | 05:03 |
| JayBomb999 | *Am I the only one who thinks that would be useful? | 05:03 |
| pupnik_ | seems like a good suggestion | 05:03 |
| pupnik_ | go to bugs and file an enhancement request | 05:03 |
| zerojayN900 | facebook autoscrolls | 05:04 |
| zerojayN900 | twitter fades in and out new tweets. | 05:04 |
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| fiferboy | countdown-home scrolls (sort of) | 05:06 |
| JayBomb999 | I'm referring to manual scrolling really. Say, if I had 15 facebook messages, I think it would be nice to be able to scroll the list of new messages on the widget. | 05:08 |
| JayBomb999 | Or, if there was a news headline that I wanted to revisit, scrolling via the widget to refresh my memory, etc. | 05:08 |
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| pupnik_ | this root filesystem is a major issue for me | 05:13 |
| zerojayN900 | why? | 05:13 |
| pupnik_ | it is full | 05:14 |
| pupnik_ | it is the same size as n800 | 05:14 |
| zerojayN900 | only 35MB left for me. | 05:14 |
| pupnik_ | it means that game porters must CHANGE YOUR DESTINATION FOR SHARE AND LIBS | 05:16 |
| Xisdibik | i thought it had 2GB | 05:16 |
| pupnik_ | i.e. our apps need to install somewhere under /home or /home/user/MyDocs | 05:17 |
| lcuk | optify | 05:17 |
| ali1234 | pupnik_: /opt is symlinked to /home/opt | 05:18 |
| pupnik_ | ahh | 05:18 |
| ali1234 | but i agree, 32mb left on / has me worried | 05:18 |
| pupnik_ | nice solution, opt | 05:19 |
| pupnik_ | where do i file bug for a bad "filesystem full" error? | 05:20 |
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| zerojayN900 | i filled my root just reflashing and reinstalling my apps from backup. | 05:26 |
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| pupnik_ | any big things i can manually optify? | 05:28 |
| pupnik_ | (while retaining ability to boot) | 05:28 |
| zerojay | Even my game wallpapers are optified. There's no excuses anymore. | 05:28 |
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| pupnik_ | :) | 05:31 |
| pupnik_ | nice job | 05:31 |
| pupnik_ | how select text in browser? | 05:31 |
| pupnik_ | browser has javascript pausing! toggle-able! thank you nokia!! | 05:32 |
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| zerojay | Select text in the browser by using the cursor. | 05:34 |
| zerojay | Drag your finger onto the screen from the left. The cursor box will come out. Click on it then click and drag to select text. | 05:34 |
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| lcuk | i'd like a readable scrollable page of text | 05:35 |
| lcuk | which detects a sideways motion as selection, otherwise it acts to scroll | 05:36 |
| smackpotato | on the n810 you can disable javascript after a time i changed it from 20 sec to 5 sec . it helps a lot | 05:36 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | zerojay - then how copy text? | 05:41 |
| pupnik_ | ctrl-c gives no feeback | 05:41 |
| zerojay | Ctrl+C or choose copy from the app menu. | 05:41 |
| pupnik_ | text is hilighted but there is no copy on app menu | 05:41 |
| zerojay | Works for me. | 05:41 |
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| zerojay | What package should my package depend upon? It's a firefox plugin that needs to depend upon the browser. | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | ctl-c worked but gave no confirmation | 05:42 |
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| pupnik_ | an audio slurping sound for cut would helpngive feedback | 05:42 |
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| pupnik_ | or snipping sound | 05:43 |
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| zerojay | Anyone here can help me with a few translations? | 06:02 |
| zerojay | From English into whatever it is you speak. | 06:03 |
| pupnik_ | semi german here | 06:03 |
| lcuk | northern here | 06:03 |
| zerojay | lol | 06:04 |
| pupnik_ | what is this white mild dutch cheese called | 06:05 |
| pupnik_ | it is so good | 06:05 |
| zerojay | foot cheese. | 06:05 |
| Solarion | better than head cheese | 06:05 |
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| pupnik_ | browsing on n900 is really prime-time | 06:06 |
| pupnik_ | and the multitasking really works | 06:07 |
| pupnik_ | the power is really there | 06:07 |
| zerojay | Sure is. | 06:07 |
| * microlith looks as nokia places the hold on his account again... | 06:07 | |
| * ifreq just dreams about n900 and continue on hacking n770 :-) (sdhc kernel enabled) | 06:09 | |
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| pupnik_ | 770 forevah | 06:09 |
| lcuk | ifreq, what are you making it do? | 06:10 |
| * |R will not sleep until he gets his N900 >:| | 06:11 | |
| * Solarion will sleep many times before he gets his n900 | 06:11 | |
| * lcuk can sleep | 06:11 | |
| |R | hehe | 06:11 |
| Solarion | (if at all) | 06:11 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, i thought i busted sdk, but it just drained its own battery | 06:12 |
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| pupnik_ | ? | 06:12 |
| lcuk | it went off | 06:12 |
| lcuk | but it was plugged into usb | 06:12 |
| ifreq | lcuk: i dont have any decent mp3players atm. So ill buy today microsdhc card and hook it up with 770 + canola as mediaplayer | 06:12 |
| oilinki | ifreq: that's like eating hamburgers and dreaming of a real stake :) | 06:12 |
| lcuk | and it wouldnt come back | 06:12 |
| |R | I wonder how fast Zagg will produce their N900 screen protectors | 06:12 |
| ifreq | oilinki: well, its fun :) i always liked 770 too.. its been gathering dust for few years now :) | 06:13 |
| Proteous | I prefer steak | 06:13 |
| ifreq | oilinki: it even has the star trek lcars theme installed!! :-) | 06:13 |
| ifreq | ill get n900 when my colleague gets bored with hes prototype from nokia | 06:13 |
| oilinki | ifreq: hih :) | 06:13 |
| Proteous | stake == splinters in mouth | 06:13 |
| oilinki | I guess n770 could be turned to 'the almighty home remote controller' | 06:14 |
| Proteous | no IR port | 06:14 |
| lcuk | i use my 8x0 900 as remote control | 06:15 |
| lcuk | using wifi | 06:15 |
| oilinki | maybe could work together with some mediaplayer with usb-port | 06:15 |
| lcuk | controls my windows pc easily | 06:15 |
| Proteous | lcuk: how? | 06:15 |
| Proteous | ah | 06:15 |
| oilinki | then the mediaplayer would play music/videos etc.. and also send ir for the home devices like tv, aircon, fans etc. | 06:15 |
| Proteous | you have IR controled fans? | 06:16 |
| Proteous | I guess with x10 or something | 06:16 |
| oilinki | I have one | 06:16 |
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| lcuk | Proteous, i use liqremote http://liqbase.net/liq.20091016_041607.liqremote.scr.png and a little windows daemon | 06:17 |
| lcuk | its very specific to my network | 06:17 |
| Proteous | roger | 06:17 |
| lcuk | so ive never pushed it to repo :$ | 06:17 |
| oilinki | but then there are also lot's of pretty cheap ir-power controllers | 06:17 |
| Proteous | oilinki: yeah | 06:17 |
| lcuk | n900 has ir | 06:18 |
| lcuk | ;) | 06:18 |
| Proteous | yeah | 06:18 |
| Proteous | should make an awesome remote | 06:18 |
| lcuk | but this ip remote is more useful - could be configured to change volume from across the world! | 06:18 |
| Proteous | and still be cheaper then some of the crazy touchscreen remotes out there... | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | fm xmitter works ok too | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | needs to be close tho | 06:18 |
| pupnik_ | couple meters | 06:18 |
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| lcuk | 12000 miles lol | 06:18 |
| lcuk | reliable as heck too, ive never had it not work | 06:19 |
| pupnik_ | ? | 06:19 |
| lcuk | lol my remote control | 06:19 |
| lcuk | if i had switched it on in AMS it wouldv controlled the volume at home | 06:19 |
| Proteous | uses batteries like nothing though :P | 06:19 |
| lcuk | movies are only a couple of hours long and idle wifi and screen is perfect | 06:19 |
| Proteous | :) | 06:20 |
| lcuk | my 810 is great for it | 06:20 |
| pupnik_ | rapidshite dl seems broken | 06:21 |
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| zerojay | pupnik_: Browser will be even better with Adblock Plus and FlashBlock... which I'm working on now. | 06:29 |
| pupnik_ | awesome | 06:34 |
| Solarion | there. Today's progress pushed; I'm going to bed | 06:36 |
| pupnik_ | cheers Solarion | 06:36 |
| |R | zerojay : yeah! | 06:37 |
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| |R | zerojay : how is the plugin interface on the new browser? | 06:40 |
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| |R | we won't be able to just install mozilla plugins that don't screw up the interface will we? | 06:40 |
| zerojay | Some will work, some won't. | 06:44 |
| zerojay | Greasemonkey... it installs but doesn't recognize scripts at all even locally installed. | 06:45 |
| zerojay | adblock plus installs, but doesn't allow you to set up subscriptions (therefore the package I'm working on) | 06:45 |
| Macer | well | 06:46 |
| Macer | looks like bones and booth are slated to finally have sex | 06:46 |
| Macer | about time | 06:46 |
| microlith | I suspect noscript would be difficult with respect to accessing its functions (status bar, site popup) | 06:46 |
| zerojay | k.. who cares. | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Anyways, if I want to push a second package to autobuilder, do I have to tell it I want to do so for a new package or what? | 06:46 |
| Macer | zerojay: people who have had sex before? :) | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Macer: Said like a true virgin. lol | 06:47 |
| zerojay | Oh, never mind. | 06:47 |
| Macer | lol! | 06:47 |
| Macer | i'lll tell that to my son when he gets older | 06:47 |
| Macer | like the Michael Jackson test tube baby | 06:48 |
| zerojay | [extra-builds] [Fremantle] : adblock-plus-1.0_1maemo0-2, build OK. :) | 06:48 |
| microlith | awesome | 06:48 |
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| pupnik_ | how do i delete fraudulent ad-hoc network entries? | 06:55 |
| Macer | fraudulent? :) heh | 06:55 |
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| |R | zerojay : ok :) | 07:03 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, how you like the N900 anyway? | 07:04 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, 'Antilles Block'? ;) | 07:05 |
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| zerojay | GAN900: lol | 07:08 |
| zerojay | No. | 07:08 |
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| pupnik_ | i dont see how to search bugs by os release | 07:11 |
| pupnik_ | on bugs.maemo.org | 07:11 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, advanced search and select the appropriate versions | 07:12 |
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| zerojay | First attempt at Flashblock on N900... | 07:12 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, I'm going to start kicking kittens everytime I see you quote from an internal bug. :((( | 07:13 |
| GAN900 | God that shit is frustrating. | 07:13 |
| GAN900 | Just cut out the goddamn middle man and get your shit together, Nokia. :( | 07:14 |
| Macer | wow this tb is slowly but surely turningn into major suckage :) | 07:14 |
| Macer | i have to see if Stskeeps' sd image will work on it | 07:15 |
| GAN900 | At least it's software. | 07:15 |
| Macer | just so i can get rid of this damn touchbook os | 07:15 |
| Macer | yeah. the hardware isn't too bad | 07:15 |
| Macer | but this operating system is an abortion | 07:15 |
| Macer | i think the bigggest thing that is messing me up is the lack of multiple users | 07:16 |
| GAN900 | Same thing with the SmartQ it seems. | 07:16 |
| GAN900 | Thus the overwhelming need for Mer. | 07:16 |
| Macer | yeah. i would have to agree :) | 07:16 |
| Macer | mer in higher res sounds outstanding right about now | 07:16 |
| Macer | this thing randomly blanks the screen | 07:16 |
| Macer | sometimes once an hour.. sometimes 3 times in an hour | 07:17 |
| Macer | sometimes twice every 5 minutes | 07:17 |
| Macer | because of piss poor power management | 07:17 |
| Macer | as well as having the cpu run at 600MHz | 07:17 |
| Macer | non-stop. with no throttling :) | 07:17 |
| Macer | so the battery that is supposed to last 12+ hours .. really last 7 or 8 | 07:18 |
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| pupnik_ | bugs.maemo.org should show recent bugs with activity / comments | 07:19 |
| Macer | i know they said the os would be beta.. but damn :) some things are just definately supposed to work in a beta stage.. like say.. the touch screen mouse for one | 07:19 |
| Macer | i had to find a wiki and install tslib by hand.. and it made me wonder why the hell they wouldn't have done that in the alpha stages :) | 07:20 |
| Macer | it is called a TOUCH book.. wouldn't that kind of have some sort of priority? | 07:20 |
| pupnik_ | get a blog | 07:21 |
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| Macer | i'm still fixing my web server ;) | 07:22 |
| pupnik_ | i can not search bugs.maemo.org simply for fremantle pre-release bugs | 07:24 |
| pupnik_ | i need a quick overview if the problems i find have been found already | 07:24 |
| pupnik_ | if i have to spend 1 hour searching in vain per submitted bug, it is a no-go | 07:25 |
| GAN900 | punik, sure you can. | 07:26 |
| GAN900 | Select the Fremantle versions in the version field. | 07:27 |
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| GAN900 | http://tinyurl.com/yjzkvwf | 07:29 |
| GAN900 | For the Fremantle bugs | 07:29 |
| pupnik_ | i got zero | 07:30 |
| GAN900 | and everything changed in the past 2 days | 07:30 |
| GAN900 | http://tinyurl.com/ygwsgte | 07:30 |
| zerojay | Fuck, why do we still have to reboot the tablet twice before plugins work? | 07:31 |
| GAN900 | Can you reboot the browser twice? | 07:31 |
| zerojay | Simply rerunning browser twice won't work. | 07:32 |
| zerojay | I guess the daemon... | 07:32 |
| zerojay | Wasn't sure though. | 07:32 |
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| GAN900 | Ah, yeah. | 07:32 |
| pupnik_ | those "fremantle bugs" include bugs from 2007, GAN900 | 07:32 |
| pupnik_ | this is a problem | 07:33 |
| pupnik_ | nokia lent out 300 N900s and said "please report bugs" | 07:33 |
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| zerojay | Yes. | 07:33 |
| zerojay | So? | 07:33 |
| pupnik_ | there should be a hotlink to report n900 bugs and quickly get to relevant area | 07:33 |
| zerojay | bugs.maemo.org. | 07:34 |
| pupnik_ | no | 07:34 |
| pupnik_ | you are not seeing | 07:34 |
| zerojay | That's right, I'm not. | 07:34 |
| pupnik_ | those "fremantle bugs" include bugs from 2007 | 07:35 |
| zerojay | Yes... so? | 07:35 |
| zerojay | What's the problem? | 07:35 |
| pupnik_ | there is no link to report N900 prototype bugs | 07:36 |
| zerojay | Just set the version. | 07:36 |
| pupnik_ | there is no link to see N900 prototype bugs | 07:36 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 07:36 |
| zerojay | Just use bugzilla's advanced search. | 07:37 |
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| pupnik_ | which as i have shown is not useful | 07:37 |
| zerojay | And yes, it's normal for there to be bugs from 2007 listed among fremantle bugs. They were found back in the day and still exist in Fremantle or haven't been fixed yet. | 07:37 |
| zerojay | It's quite useful. | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943 | 07:37 |
| pupnik_ | fremantle bug? | 07:37 |
| zerojay | Yes, fremantle bug. | 07:38 |
| zerojay | First, enhancement. | 07:38 |
| zerojay | Second, version is set as 5.0-beta | 07:38 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, evidently they're still valid in Fremantle, then. :) | 07:40 |
| zerojay | pupnik_: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&version=5.0&version=5.0+(1.2009.41-10)&version=5.0-alpha&version=5.0-alpha-pre1&version=5.0-alpha-pre2&version=5.0-beta&version=5.0-beta2&version=5.0-final&version=Fremantle&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_ | 07:41 |
| zerojay | type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= | 07:41 |
| zerojay | Argh. | 07:41 |
| zerojay | Damn. | 07:41 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, the advanced search provides you with everything you need. :) | 07:41 |
| zerojay | EVERYTHING. | 07:41 |
| GAN900 | You can time limit it if you want. | 07:42 |
| zerojay | Just because you don't know how to use a tool doesn't mean it's useless. I've used Bugzilla daily for 8 years... it has everything you need. | 07:42 |
| zerojay | I've got a list of 405 open bugs that were created or targeted for or during fremantle's development in front of me. | 07:43 |
| zerojay | (By the way, this is the exact same reaction I hear from new testers each and every time we hire them.) | 07:43 |
| pupnik_ | thanks | 07:44 |
| zerojay | Just click on advanced search, leave everything alone except Version. Ctrl-Click each and every Fremantle version. Then hit search. Boom. The list is yours. | 07:44 |
| zerojay | Meh, looks like Flashblock will need additional massaging before it will work. :/ | 07:45 |
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| pupnik_ | then i suggest adding links to useful searches | 07:48 |
| zerojay | You can do that yourself with Save Search at the bottom of every Bugzilla page. | 07:49 |
| pupnik_ | yeah i know | 07:49 |
| pupnik_ | current interface is a barrier | 07:49 |
| pupnik_ | as your experience with new testers shows | 07:50 |
| zerojay | It's a bug tracker. | 07:50 |
| zerojay | And my experience with new testers just shows how new they were because none of them has ever worked QA before. | 07:51 |
| zerojay | Bugzilla wasn't really the issue. It was the new concepts. | 07:51 |
| pupnik_ | fine for an in-house environment, bad public interface | 07:52 |
| derf | Bugzilla is pretty standard. | 07:52 |
| zerojay | It's not bad or hard. You just don't understand it yet. | 07:52 |
| zerojay | Yes, it's pretty much standard.. and if you think Bugzilla has a bad interface... if only I could show you some of the bug trackers I've seen, lol. | 07:53 |
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| zerojay | The interface is a slight barrier. That's a good thing because it keeps us from generally getting retards posting "FIX THIS SHIT" bugs instead of actual useful bugs. | 07:54 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, trust ne when I say lots of smart people have been over these issues. | 07:55 |
| zerojay | There shouldn't be anyone in the set of 300 that can't understand it or who aren't already very familiar with bug tracking so... | 07:55 |
| GAN900 | Some proposals will be more harmful in the long run, others require more time than is available in the short. | 07:55 |
| zerojay | There's a guided bug entry system that... I'm not sure if timeless ever got around to implementing or not. | 07:56 |
| GAN900 | Either way, it is what it is for tonight, so I recommend you figure out the advanced search and move on for now. | 07:56 |
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| GAN900 | It's implemented but not default. | 07:57 |
| zerojay | It would be nice to be able to promote my latest wallpapers into extras-testing, but the interface is timing out after 30 seconds. :/ | 07:57 |
| GAN900 | maemo.org needs servers before the N900 launches. . . . | 07:57 |
| zerojay | badly. | 07:58 |
| GAN900 | It's gonna scare the platform for life if we get a repeat of November 2007 | 08:00 |
| GAN900 | s/scare/scar/ | 08:00 |
| infobot | GAN900 meant: It's gonna scar the platform for life if we get a repeat of November 2007 | 08:00 |
| pupnik_ | man 2008 flew by | 08:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik_: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=1w&chfieldto=Now | 08:54 |
| timeless_mbp | zerojay / GAN900 : https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/mozilla.html | 08:56 |
| timeless_mbp | please use "shorten bug query" | 08:57 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, it's possible to share searches in certain versions | 08:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ' course, that only works if you don't get logged out constantly | 08:58 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes andre__ | 08:58 | |
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| timeless_mbp | looks like our bugzilla isn't new enough to let people share searches :( | 09:00 |
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| tigert | hmm | 09:03 |
| tigert | hermes should have settings for what info to import :) | 09:04 |
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| GAN900 | Tablet + lazy = tinyurl | 09:08 |
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| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, I've heard you have the N900 | 10:28 |
| LiraNuna | D: | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | 300 of us have one? | 10:28 |
| LiraNuna | O_O | 10:29 |
| * LiraNuna cries | 10:29 | |
| Stskeeps | all maemo summit attendants who werent subcontractors or nokia employees got one for 6 months loan | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | for free | 10:29 |
| * LiraNuna cries some more | 10:30 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:30 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Such as? | 10:31 |
| Jaffa | lardman|gone: pong | 10:31 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie_: pong | 10:31 |
| koala_man | do you get an option to buy it afterwards? | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | at that point price will have been driven down anyway | 10:31 |
| Jaffa | And it's unclear what Nokia will do with 300 pre-production devices labelled with an unremovable sticker in the battery bay "Not for sale" | 10:32 |
| Jaffa | It'd be good if they went to some kind of educational project, perhaps | 10:32 |
| `0660 | my guess is that they will let the developers keep them in the end | 10:33 |
| tigert | Jaffa: [x] sync birthdays | 10:34 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: Because you don't want them? | 10:35 |
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| tigert | maybe, or hmm | 10:36 |
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| ifreq | is there kismet anymore avail for n770/800? | 10:38 |
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| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, pong | 10:49 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie_: Accelerometer goes from -1000 - +1000 with it supposedly representing mG | 10:51 |
| crashanddie_ | Jaffa, aye | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | mg, rather (fractions of Earth's g not the Gravitational Constant) | 10:51 |
| crashanddie_ | working on detecting some stuff | 10:52 |
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| mgedmin | Jaffa: Hermes is cool | 11:17 |
| RST38h | MOOrning all | 11:18 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: I'm a bit confused about the meaning of 'Update' and 'Retrieve' buttons | 11:18 |
| mgedmin | and I wonder why initially the icon did not appear in the app menu | 11:18 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm, how do I link against libconic? I get the error Package libconic was not found in the pkg-config search path | 11:19 |
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| mgedmin | Shapeshifter: do you build-depend on libconic0-dev? | 11:20 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: mhh, no, how do I do that? | 11:21 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter: never mind; pass 'conic', not 'libconic' to pkgconfig | 11:21 |
| KMFDM | does 'out of disk space' actually mean the memory is full? | 11:21 |
| KMFDM | as i've ran into the error a few times, but each time a restart fixed it | 11:21 |
| mgedmin | KMFDM: it means I installed too many applications | 11:21 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: ahh, thanks | 11:21 |
| mgedmin | it's good to know that restarting fixes it; I was afraid to do so | 11:22 |
| mgedmin | the application manager says 'no catalogues installed' when you're out of disk space (or, perhaps, when dpkg complains about dpkg --configure having been interrupted) | 11:22 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: "retrieve" won't overwrite anything. "update" will. Better labels desired :) | 11:30 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: App icons not appearing immediately *seems* to be a HAF bug, but I'm not sure | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | most other apps get their icons at once | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | at first I thought hermes.postinst didn't call gtk-update-icon-cache, now I see it does | 11:30 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. gtk-update-icon cache is in the post... yeah | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: what confused me was that update also does retrieve | 11:30 |
| mgedmin | does it? | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Yeah | 11:31 |
| mgedmin | I expected the workflow to be: 1 retrieve 2 look if the changes make sense 3 apply them | 11:31 |
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| mgedmin | now it's 1 retrieve 2 look 3 retrieve again 4 apply | 11:32 |
| mgedmin | I'm scared the data I look at in step 2 might have changed by the time I get to step 3 | 11:32 |
| Corsac | I read “extra donuts” | 11:32 |
| mgedmin | well, scared is an exaggeration | 11:32 |
| Corsac | -ECHAN | 11:32 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Since Retrieve only populates missing info on matches which it can be pretty damned sure about it doesn't have a review step (though it does have a summary). However, from that summary you'll be able to do manual matching which will be retained for future "Update"s | 11:32 |
| mgedmin | also, the look bit is currently not very transparent: I see a contact will be updated, but I don't see how | 11:33 |
| mgedmin | aah, I get it now | 11:33 |
| mgedmin | hm | 11:33 |
| mgedmin | sorry, I read "write" where you wrote "overwrite" | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 11:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh, it seems like I can't get libconic to send signals. I've made a dbus connection with dbus_connection = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SYSTEM, &error); and set it up with dbus_connection_setup_with_g_main(dbus_connection, NULL); and then I've made a con_ic_connection_new() and did g_object_set(G_OBJECT(connection), "automatic-connection-events", TRUE, NULL); and connected with g_signal_connect(G_OBJECT(connection), "connection-event", ... | 11:39 |
| Shapeshifter | ... G_CALLBACK(connection_cb), NULL); but nothing ever happens in my callback | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Really Dumb Question (RDQ): How do I *quit* Quake3 ? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | click camera button? ;p | 11:40 |
| RST38h | Really??? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | or ctrl-backspace | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | dunno really | 11:41 |
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| mgedmin | RST38h: you have to kill the boss monster on the last level to quit | 11:46 |
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| wazd | heya all | 11:51 |
| woglinde | hi wazd | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd | 11:52 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Oh. Shit. | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ctrl+Backspace does not work | 11:53 |
| RST38h | Had to reboot | 11:53 |
| mgedmin | uh oh | 11:53 |
| RST38h | heya wazd! | 11:53 |
| * RST38h off to a meeting | 11:53 | |
| woglinde | bye rst | 11:53 |
| RST38h | No, they are not planning to kill me there, yet | 11:53 |
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| wazd | Seriously, a lot of people ate this n920 fake | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:06 |
| wazd | even those who actually own tablets | 12:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: Time to photoshop a new one! | 12:06 |
| zaheerm | add one with an iris scanner | 12:06 |
| zaheerm | to replace pin code entry :) | 12:07 |
| adeus | and a fusion powered battery | 12:07 |
| range | Oh, and with OS2006 on it. | 12:07 |
| jaska | os2000 | 12:07 |
| zaheerm | or with chrome os ;) | 12:07 |
| jaska | the mainframe operating system that is | 12:08 |
| wazd | range: OS2006 is for sissies, OS2005 rockz | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | I haven't *seen* the n920 fake | 12:08 |
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| range | But yeah, that was a neat picture. | 12:08 |
| mgedmin | engadget pulled the page too quickly | 12:08 |
| wazd | mgedmin: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nokia_n920_prototype_leak.jpg | 12:08 |
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| zaheerm | does anyone know where settings about product picks up its version info from? | 12:10 |
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| mgedmin | zaheerm: no, but if I needed to do that in my app I probably would cheat and run popen("osso-product-info") | 12:12 |
| mgedmin | on maemo 5 it no longer needs root to get the info | 12:12 |
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| mgedmin | zaheerm: it links to /usr/lib/libossoproductinfo.so.0, so there's probably an API | 12:13 |
| zaheerm | great | 12:13 |
| zaheerm | my wife's n900 has (null) (null) (null) | 12:13 |
| zaheerm | so a bit concerned :) | 12:13 |
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| mgedmin | um | 12:14 |
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| mgedmin | interesting | 12:14 |
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| zaheerm | her osso-product-info shows correct info | 12:17 |
| zaheerm | the plot thickens | 12:17 |
| mgedmin | screenshot? | 12:17 |
| mgedmin | btw what version does osso-product-info report? | 12:17 |
| mgedmin | I assume you know about the hidden ctrl+shift+p screenshot shortcut in maemo 5 | 12:20 |
| mgedmin | I only wish it displayed a notification "screenshot taken" after it does its thing | 12:20 |
| frankS2 | weeee | 12:20 |
| frankS2 | nokia n900 for sale | 12:20 |
| mgedmin | already? where? | 12:21 |
| mgedmin | ebay? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | if it's some idiot who is selling his NOT FOR SALE one.. | 12:21 |
| zaheerm | there's loads of pre-order n900s on ebay | 12:22 |
| zaheerm | haven't seen one that is not a pre-order yet | 12:22 |
| zaheerm | http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/4016540454/ | 12:23 |
| zaheerm | ^ screenshot | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | zaheerm: hmm, maybe CAL corruption or /etc/osso-software-version or something | 12:23 |
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| mgedmin | cat: can't open '/etc/osso-software-version': No such file or directory | 12:24 |
| zaheerm | CAL? | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | zaheerm: report it at least :) | 12:27 |
| zaheerm | ok i'll create a new bug, mentioned it in an existing bug | 12:27 |
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| traut | hello | 12:29 |
| Lantz | good morning | 12:30 |
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| sarower | Hello all, Good morning | 12:31 |
| traut | can't make python evolution.ebook.get_addressbook('default') work on n900 | 12:31 |
| traut | it works in scratchbox but not at the real device | 12:32 |
| sarower | How i can run the command "dpkg -i packageName.deb" from postinst file? | 12:32 |
| jumpula | why would you want to run something like that from postinst? | 12:35 |
| mgedmin | traut: what's your error? | 12:36 |
| traut | evolution.ebook.get_addressbook('default') just returns None | 12:36 |
| mgedmin | >>> evolution.ebook.open_addressbook('default') | 12:36 |
| mgedmin | <ebook.EBook object at 0x4007b238 (EBook at 0x17ddb0)> | 12:36 |
| * RST38h yawns widely | 12:36 | |
| woglinde | re rst | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | get_addressbook doesn't even exist on mine | 12:37 |
| jumpula | sarower: if you're really trying to run dpkg -i from another package's postinst my answer is don't. never do such thing. | 12:37 |
| RST38h | heya woglinde | 12:37 |
| sarower | jumpula: Then what I can do? | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | sarower: make your package depend on the other one | 12:38 |
| traut | mgedmin | 12:38 |
| mgedmin | that is my nickname, yes | 12:38 |
| traut | i'm sorry, it's open_addressbook | 12:38 |
| traut | mgedmin: :) | 12:38 |
| traut | it works in scratchbox environment but not in python2.5 at the real device | 12:38 |
| mgedmin | traut: I did try on the real device | 12:39 |
| mgedmin | so, worksforme, nocluewhydoesn'tforyou | 12:39 |
| sarower | jumpula: How I can do that? | 12:39 |
| mgedmin | python-evolution 0.0.4-maemo1 | 12:40 |
| jumpula | if you want the other package as a dependency, make your package depend from that package | 12:40 |
| Shapeshifter | So, I think that my libconic connection and event callback are set up correctly, though I don't get any signal when starting the app. So I tried doing con_ic_connection_connect (connection, CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_NONE); and then I indeed receive signals in my callback, but the status is actually DISCONNECTED. In my app, the only thing I want is know if an internet connection is up at the launch of the app, and signals for when the connection ... | 12:40 |
| mgedmin | sarower: vi debian/control, find the Depends: field, add the name of the package there | 12:40 |
| Shapeshifter | ... drops or re-establishes. | 12:40 |
| traut | mgedmin: hm. i'm running python as ' run-standalone.sh python2.5' | 12:41 |
| mgedmin | traut: I just ran python without a wrapper | 12:41 |
| traut | mgedmin: if i'm running it without wrapper I'm receiving 'Segmentation fault' | 12:43 |
| mgedmin | whoa | 12:43 |
| sarower | mgedmin: If i give the name of the package / application in the control file then how it will get the application and install it? | 12:43 |
| traut | yeah | 12:43 |
| mgedmin | sarower: it will download it from a repository such as Maemo Extras | 12:43 |
| jumpula | the application must be put to a repository | 12:43 |
| jumpula | and that repository must be in your sources.list | 12:43 |
| sarower | mgedmin: The application of my own. it is not in the repository! | 12:44 |
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| jumpula | well. if you plan to distribute it, you will put it to one. for testing in your local machine, you can create a repository in your localhost. | 12:44 |
| jumpula | or just install it manually in your localhost | 12:45 |
| mgedmin | no need to create repositories for testing | 12:45 |
| mgedmin | you can install packages manually with dpkg -i if you do that in the correct order | 12:45 |
| traut | oh, strange things. if i'm running evolution.ebook.open_addressbook('default') through ssh on n900 it returns None | 12:45 |
| traut | it's without wrapper | 12:46 |
| mgedmin | traut: actually, I tried it over ssh, haven't tried it in the xterm | 12:46 |
| samad | hello everybody | 12:46 |
| mgedmin | as you see I didn't get none | 12:46 |
| mgedmin | this is confusing, and the version number of python-evolution doesn't inspire confidence (0.0.4? really?) | 12:46 |
| traut | mgedmin: yes. I'll keep trying :) | 12:46 |
| traut | >>> evolution.__version__ | 12:47 |
| traut | (0, 0, 4) | 12:47 |
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| traut | I've installed python-runtime in this session. maybe I need to logout/restart the device? | 12:50 |
| mgedmin | doubt that | 12:52 |
| samad | i am implementing miss call and unread SMS detection and implemented RTComElQuery * query = NULL; | 12:52 |
| samad | RTComElEvent * ev = NULL; | 12:52 |
| samad | gint event_id = -1; | 12:52 |
| samad | RTComElIter * it = NULL; | 12:52 |
| samad | GValueArray * values = NULL; | 12:52 |
| samad | RTComElEvent *ev = NULL; | 12:52 |
| samad | ev = rtcom_el_event_new(); | 12:52 |
| samad | g_return_val_if_fail (ev != NULL, NULL); | 12:52 |
| samad | RTCOM_EL_EVENT_SET_FIELD(ev, service, g_strdup (SERVICE)); | 12:52 |
| mgedmin | samad: please use a pastebin instead of flooding the channel | 12:52 |
| samad | RTCOM_EL_EVENT_SET_FIELD(ev, event_type, g_strdup (EVENT_TYPE)); | 12:52 |
| mgedmin | seriously | 12:52 |
| samad | ev = eventNewFull(); | 12:52 |
| samad | if(!ev) | 12:52 |
| samad | { | 12:52 |
| samad | fail("Failed to create event."); | 12:52 |
| samad | } | 12:52 |
| samad | event_id = rtcom_el_add_event(el, ev, NULL); | 12:52 |
| samad | fail_if (event_id < 0, "Failed to add event"); | 12:52 |
| samad | query = rtcom_el_query_new(el); | 12:52 |
| samad | rtcom_el_query_set_limit(query, 5); | 12:52 |
| samad | if(!rtcom_el_query_prepare(query, "is-read", TRUE, RTCOM_EL_OP_EQUAL, NULL)) | 12:52 |
| samad | { | 12:53 |
| traut | oh, so much code :) | 12:53 |
| samad | fail("Failed to prepare the query."); | 12:53 |
| samad | } | 12:53 |
| samad | it = rtcom_el_get_events(el, query); | 12:53 |
| samad | is it right way i have done | 12:53 |
| mgedmin | grr | 12:53 |
| mgedmin | no, it's not | 12:53 |
| mgedmin | you should have used a pastebin | 12:53 |
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| X-Fade | hmm it stopped already ;) | 12:53 |
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| mgedmin | samad: go to http://pastey.net or something similar, paste the code there, paste the link here | 12:54 |
| mgedmin | then we'll be able to see it in one chunk without interruptions from other people talking | 12:54 |
| traut | needless to say that example_abook.c works on device without errors | 12:55 |
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| mgedmin | could be a bug in python bindings | 12:55 |
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| RST38h | ...all week, trying to view the N-Gage 'All games' catalog in the on-device client has resulted in an error message 'Out of internal memory. Close some applications and try again (Error -4)'.... | 12:56 |
| traut | thinking about getting contacts by executing bin file from python code | 12:57 |
| RST38h | Ah, the horror! TOO MANY GAMES in NGage catalog! | 12:57 |
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| mgedmin | traut: talk to the maintainers of python-evolution, maybe they'll fix the problem | 12:57 |
| Shapeshifter | "If connection establishment failed, a CON_IC_STATUS_DISCONNECTED inside ConIcConnectionEvent is sent"... but why? The internet in scratchbox is working fine. Why do I receive the DISCONNECTED signal from the libconic connection when trying to connect? | 12:58 |
| traut | mgedmin: where I can find them? | 12:58 |
| mgedmin | traut: very good question | 12:58 |
| mgedmin | pymaemo-developers@garage.maemo.org ? | 12:58 |
| traut | mgedmin: googling | 12:58 |
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| mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo ? | 12:59 |
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| mgedmin | is python-evolution part of PyMaemo? | 12:59 |
| traut | ha, seems like it's not | 13:00 |
| mgedmin | is there a different binding for accessing the address book? | 13:00 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa is listed as maintainer for python-evolution | 13:00 |
| mgedmin | he's on this channel | 13:01 |
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| samad | hello could u plz check http://pastey.net/126656 | 13:02 |
| traut | Jaffa: hey, are you here? | 13:02 |
| traut | no. there are no python-abook yet for Maemo 5 | 13:02 |
| mgedmin | but there will be, right? | 13:04 |
| mgedmin | "We plan to work on providing bindings for these components during the Maemo 5 life cycle." | 13:04 |
| traut | yeah, in 4 weeks or so | 13:04 |
| traut | but I need my prototype to be done in 3 days :) | 13:05 |
| traut | so trying to make it work in any way | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | hm | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | ctypes? | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | traut: Good case to try out the binding generator from PySide? | 13:06 |
| mgedmin | convince Jaffa to help? | 13:06 |
| traut | mgedmin: maybe. easier would be to create simple C binary that will return contacts as txt-file by request | 13:06 |
| mgedmin | if you go with C, it's not too difficult to make it a Python extension module | 13:07 |
| mgedmin | then instead of os.popen() you could import it | 13:07 |
| traut | mgedmin: Jaffa have done such binding in Hermes with ctypes | 13:07 |
| traut | X-Fade: thanks, I'll take a look | 13:07 |
| traut | mgedmin: oh, maybe. I'm new to ctypes | 13:08 |
| mgedmin | can you steal Jaffa's code? ;-) | 13:08 |
| traut | :) it's open source | 13:08 |
| traut | working on it now | 13:08 |
| mgedmin | ctypes ought to be easier than a Python extension module | 13:08 |
| mgedmin | yeah, but are your licences compatible? | 13:08 |
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| mgedmin | hmm http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/abook.html | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | if python-abook does not exist yet, why are there examples for it? | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | oh, it's using python-evolution | 13:09 |
| mgedmin | evolution-python is listed as a component of http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/development.html | 13:10 |
| traut | it's an old abook examples | 13:10 |
| traut | for Maemo 3 I suppose | 13:10 |
| mgedmin | the universe is large and confusing | 13:11 |
| traut | oh, I didn't saw that (about development.html) | 13:11 |
| samad | http://pastey.net/126656 | 13:12 |
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| traut | ha, Jaffa code from Hermes package is using addresses = evolution.ebook.open_addressbook('default') as the first step | 13:12 |
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| mgedmin | traut: the important question is *does Jaffa's code work on your N900*? | 13:13 |
| traut | maybe that's why Hermes don't work on my n900 :) | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | if so, use it (or compare with your code and see what you do wrong) | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | a-ha! | 13:13 |
| traut | yeah | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | traut: what OS version do you have? .41-10? | 13:13 |
| Shapeshifter | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity#Requesting_for_Connection I'm using the example code for the switch (status) statement. And in my case, I get this output: "And we are disconnected. Let's see what went wrong... Libconic thinks there was nothing wrong.". >.> | 13:13 |
| traut | i'll check Hermes one more time | 13:13 |
| traut | mgedmin: hm. How I can check this? | 13:14 |
| mgedmin | traut: osso-product-info | 13:14 |
| traut | Nokia-N900-40-10 | 13:14 |
| mgedmin | samad: usually we just put the code into pastebin, and put the question directly on the channel | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | traut: pong | 13:15 |
| traut | Jaffa: hello | 13:15 |
| * Jaffa asked on pymaemo-developers about python-abook for Maemo 5, they said "it'll be coming" | 13:15 | |
| traut | Jaffa: have you experienced some problems with open_addressbook on readl device? | 13:16 |
| Jaffa | Nope. | 13:16 |
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| Jaffa | I had problems on beta SDK, but on device it worked fine | 13:16 |
| traut | maybe I need to update device software | 13:16 |
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| * Jaffa hasn't had problems with 36-, 39- or 41- | 13:17 | |
| traut | Jaffa: open_addressbook('default') works for me in the scratchbox but not at the real device | 13:17 |
| traut | Jaffa: in the real device it returns None | 13:17 |
| Jaffa | traut: Does Hermes work for you on device? Since that does open_addressbook('default') | 13:18 |
| traut | Jaffa: Im checking right now | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: up for a small challenge? | 13:20 |
| mgedmin | samad: do you have any specific problems with the code, or are you just looking for a review? | 13:20 |
| samad | actually i am implementing miss call and unread SMS detection and | 13:25 |
| samad | 2implemented the following code i am very beginner. Could u plz | 13:25 |
| samad | 3check the code what i am doing wrong ? | 13:25 |
| samad | http://pastey.net/126656 | 13:25 |
| tbf | Jaffa: btw, quite brave to publish your secret facebook API key with hermes | 13:26 |
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| tbf | Jaffa: or does facebook have an official policy now on app keys in FOSS? | 13:26 |
| samad | mgedmin, just i want to know is the procedure that i proceed right or wrong ? | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | tbf: There's an FAQ which says yes, it's OK. | 13:28 |
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| Jaffa | tbf: Suggestions on what else could be done, welcome. | 13:28 |
| tbf | Jaffa: citation needed | 13:28 |
| tbf | Jaffa: wondering myself right now how to deal with this app key mess | 13:29 |
| mgedmin | I dunno, samad; it doesn't do much (e.g. no return value, just a lot of assertions) | 13:29 |
| mgedmin | what is it supposed to do? | 13:29 |
| mgedmin | I'm not familiar with the rtcom apis, btw | 13:29 |
| Shapeshifter | could it be that libconic doesn't work in scratchbox? | 13:29 |
| traut | Jaffa: I don't know if Hermes actually works. It's not exiting with error so I suppose it works | 13:30 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter: I wouldn't find that surprising at all | 13:30 |
| samad | mgedmin, i just want to check miss call and unread sms | 13:30 |
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| tbf | Shapeshifter: there's a good chance | 13:31 |
| Jaffa | tbf: See quote at end of http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Open_Source_Applications_Terms_Of_Service_Problem#Suggested_solutions | 13:31 |
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| traut | Jaffa: http://pastey.net/126657 | 13:32 |
| onion | is there some "official" way to check sdk version when building a package? I need to change some params in debian/rules depending on if it's diablo or fremantle | 13:32 |
| Tigge | Are there any documentation for SMS and call api/interfacem? I haven't found it anywhere.. | 13:32 |
| Jaffa | onion: /etc/maemo_version (installed by package maemo-version) | 13:32 |
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| onion | Jaffa: ok, thanks | 13:34 |
| tbf | Jaffa: yes, also found this - but now section 7 is "Payments". now the terms doc only refers to http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Platform_Guidelines, which again states in section 9, that keys must not be published | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | traut: And if you open Contacts you see some? | 13:34 |
| tbf | Tigge: it's all plain telepathy stuff. there is no special API | 13:34 |
| traut | Jaffa: yes | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | tbf: The Facebook widget which is available in the Nokia repos must distribute a secret key | 13:36 |
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| traut | Jaffa: rechecked all libraries. seems like ok | 13:36 |
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| zerojay | Can someone help me promote a newer version of my package to extras-testing? Seems like the site times out after 30 seconds. :/ | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: which package? | 13:37 |
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| Tigge | tbf: ah, okay.. didn't think that telepathy had phone and sms support.. or is it something special? | 13:39 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: Oh, never mind. Worked for me this time. Thanks anyways. :) | 13:40 |
| traut | Jaffa: one more strange thing - seems like get_self_contact works fine | 13:40 |
| traut | Jaffa: so it's a problem with address book | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: calculations can be quite heavy when walking the tree. | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | zerojay: I guess I need to make sure it doesn't reach execution timeout. | 13:40 |
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| zerojay | fiferboy: Get a old of aSIMULAter. She's interested in designing an icon or two for you. | 13:41 |
| fiferboy | wooo! | 13:41 |
| fiferboy | I like having icons | 13:41 |
| woglinde | bah icons | 13:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | zerojay: so, are you using my strings? | 13:42 |
| zerojay | timeless_mbp: I am. | 13:42 |
| zerojay | timeless_mbp: All of it looks good to me so far. | 13:43 |
| tbf | Tigge: Maemo 5 provides as the tp-ring connection manager | 13:43 |
| tbf | s/as// | 13:43 |
| infobot | tbf meant: Tigge: Maemo 5 provides the tp-ring connection manager | 13:43 |
| tbf | s/provides.*/rocks/ | 13:45 |
| tbf | :-( | 13:45 |
| traut | Jaffa: is there any way to dig into python-evolution? | 13:46 |
| samad | timeless_mbp, how t u? | 13:46 |
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| Khertan | hello ! | 13:46 |
| traut | Jaffa: I don'e like that it just doesn't work silently | 13:46 |
| Khertan | someone which are really the right allowed users section in fremantle extras ? | 13:47 |
| Khertan | +know | 13:47 |
| samad | timeless_mbp, just want to check miss call and unread sms is it right way of my thinking http://pastey.net/126656 | 13:48 |
| samad | what i am wrong ? | 13:48 |
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| kirma | do maemo 5 APIs provide a chance to look up reasonably accurate WGS coordinates on the basis of cell id? something that'd be correct at suburb resolution in a city in practice... | 13:50 |
| Tigge | tbf: okay, hm.. not sure if I follow.. Perhaps I should read up on Telepathy | 13:50 |
| Tigge | tbf: but just to be clear.. there is no special stuff going on besides telepathy? | 13:51 |
| Tigge | I should experiment a bit in the sandbox,hm | 13:51 |
| kirma | making it possible to perform reasonably accurate guesses without GPS power usage, like having a list of locations and comparing them with API-provided coordinates for proximity... | 13:52 |
| kirma | kind of "I guess you're at work" | 13:52 |
| _marcell_ | kirma: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API#Location_methods | 13:52 |
| Jaffa | traut: I dunno, I just packaged it. Source is at http://live.gnome.org/Conduit/evolution-python | 13:53 |
| traut | Jaffa: thanks | 13:53 |
| kirma | _marcell_: I certainly hope that's closer to 1 km than 10 km in urban environment. | 13:54 |
| zerojay | I've got an add-on for the Maemo browser in Maemo 5. It seems that I need to reboot the tablet once or twice before it is seen and running. I'm told I can restart the browser daemon as well. What's the best way to go about doing that? | 13:54 |
| _marcell_ | kirma: I guess so too. | 13:54 |
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| kirma | also, is the reverse geodecoding working at level of cities only, not suburbs? | 13:55 |
| kirma | or reverse geocoding, whatever | 13:55 |
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| traut | what's the simplest way to make app for Maemo5? Not with repo but with scp through ssh | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | traut: ? | 13:56 |
| traut | X-Fade: I mean make an icon on desktop etc | 13:57 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: /etc/init.d/browserd <something> | 13:57 |
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| traut | how evolution.ebook knows where to get addressbooks? | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | traut: running as root or user? | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | traut: 'default' returns for the *user* address book | 14:02 |
| traut | Jaffa: oh shit | 14:02 |
| traut | Jaffa: really? :) | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | traut: If you're running as root, you may well get None ;-) | 14:02 |
| traut | Jaffa: i'll check this right now | 14:03 |
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| RST38h | traut: have you considered checking out the documentation? | 14:04 |
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| traut | RST38h: would you please give me the link? I didn't find any documentation about evolution and maemo addressbook communication | 14:05 |
| RST38h | traut: I do not mean the evolution, I mean creating a simple Maemo5 applicat5ion | 14:06 |
| RST38h | evolution is of course a different business | 14:06 |
| traut | RST38h: oh, sorry. I didn't find anything yet (except adding to repo). I'll dig deeper | 14:07 |
| Lantz | Does anyone know where I can find info on unbricking... JTAG or cold serial flash for N810 | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | Lantz: how badly did you brick it? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | and what did you do? | 14:08 |
| traut | it works! :) | 14:09 |
| traut | it was all about root/user | 14:09 |
| Lantz | I bought them this way... wont boot, not even in reflash mode... when power is plugged in no indicator led's or anything | 14:09 |
| traut | Jaffa: thanks a lot | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | Lantz: does it show NOKIA logo? | 14:09 |
| Lantz | no | 14:09 |
| Lantz | does absolutly nothing | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | tried alternative batteries? | 14:10 |
| Lantz | a true brick...lol | 14:10 |
| Lantz | yes | 14:10 |
| RST38h | "Bricked to the core" <-- probably deserves a tshirt | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | ick | 14:10 |
| Lantz | my working N810 shows the battery is fully charged | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | Lantz: http://bu3sch.de/joomla/index.php/nokia-n810-serial-console | 14:11 |
| samad | hello i have run the following code http://pastey.net/126661 contact.c:(.text+0xb6): undefined reference to `rtcom_el_iter_first' | 14:12 |
| samad | contact.c:(.text+0xd4): undefined reference to `rtcom_el_iter_next' | 14:12 |
| RST38h | samad: My guess is that you have to link to some library | 14:12 |
| Lantz | I am building a homemade docking station to access the serial connectors but have no idea where to go from there | 14:12 |
| RST38h | samad: What are arguments to pkg-config ? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | Lantz: heh, once in a while i wish i had that for n810 | 14:13 |
| traut | moving forward. Are there other addressbooks? Not just default but maybe Skype contacts addressbook? | 14:13 |
| zaheerm | you could probably filter the addressbook | 14:13 |
| samad | `pkg-config --libs gconf-2.0 hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 gtk+-2.0 gtkmm-2.4 libosso gdk-2.0 gnome-vfs-2.0 libhildondesktop-1 hildonmm hildon-fmmm gstreamer-0.10 gstreamer-0.10 gstreamer-interfaces-0.10 libosso-abook-1.0 ` | 14:13 |
| zaheerm | to just give you ones with skype ids | 14:13 |
| zaheerm | samad, i don't think you need to link to gstreamer | 14:14 |
| Mek | from the contacts you can choose groups->skype to get only skype contacts | 14:14 |
| samad | i have used gstreamer-0.10 | 14:14 |
| RST38h | samad: looks like you have to include rtcomm there | 14:15 |
| zaheerm | samad, not according to your paste | 14:15 |
| traut | zaheerm: in 'default' addressbook there are only contacts added at device | 14:16 |
| traut | Mek: thanks, I'll try | 14:16 |
| samad | zaheerm: what do u mean ? | 14:17 |
| samad | RST38h, plz explain me | 14:17 |
| zaheerm | samad, your paste shows no code using gstreamer, you can probably remove all the gstreamer stuff in your pkg-config so you reduce the footprint of your program | 14:17 |
| Lantz | Stskeeps the link you sent me is where I got the idea for the docking station. The site owner said if I figure out a way to unbrick these units he would be happy to post the instructions on his site | 14:18 |
| RST38h | samad: a moment | 14:18 |
| samad | why i use gstreamer ? i have used gstreamer-0.10 | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | Lantz: that, serial port and flasher should do it, i think | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | i have never attempted it. | 14:18 |
| andre__ | ahem. An "Earthquake Monitor App" proposal in Brainstorm. I'm always.... "surprised" by the ideas of people. | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: Tsunami Alert! | 14:19 |
| andre__ | "This could provide a tremendous data source for seismologists around the world" | 14:19 |
| RST38h | samad: On your device, please do pkg-config --list-all and see if there is a mention of rtcomm | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | Do we have a step counter app already? | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | andre__: At least they're out of bugzilla? ;-) | 14:19 |
| andre__ | Jaffa, :-D | 14:19 |
| RST38h | andre: It can also be used to automatically send twitter messages every time the user farts | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | traut: no probs; suddenly had an inspiration as to why you might be getting nothing for default (cos it bit me ages ago) | 14:20 |
| kirma | andre__: makes me wonder how that would work, or differ from something that's not exactly trivial thing to implement otherwise. | 14:20 |
| samad | i am using scratchbox | 14:20 |
| RST38h | samad: Then do this inside scratchbox | 14:20 |
| andre__ | kirma, same for me | 14:20 |
| andre__ | kirma, by using the accelerometer according to the reporter | 14:21 |
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| kirma | rss feeds coming from an aggregator that is fed with location information might be interesting anyway | 14:21 |
| kirma | I think that has to be pretty major earthquake to notice. | 14:22 |
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| RST38h | N900 GPS receiver is normally powered down | 14:22 |
| kirma | putting the phone on table and hitting the table with coffee mug a bit harder would create a major event ;) | 14:22 |
| RST38h | When powered up it needs network connection to lock up | 14:22 |
| RST38h | As earthquake will most likely topple cell tower and disrupt connectivity, GPS won't work | 14:23 |
| kirma | I wonder if accelerometer would be precise enough to detect a desktop computer next to it on the table | 14:23 |
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| kirma | it's not exactly designed to be an scientific instrument after all... | 14:24 |
| RST38h | So, the moral of this story: If you want this to work, go to bugzilla and vote on this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 | 14:24 |
| traut | Mek: were you talking about evolution API access to address books or about address book UI? | 14:25 |
| Mek | traut: UI... sorry if that wsa not what you were asking for | 14:25 |
| traut | Mek: np, thanks anyway :) | 14:25 |
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| traut | is there any way to access skype contacts from python code at Maemo 5? | 14:30 |
| Lupu | Is there any way to export the calendars and contacts to ICS/VCF in Fremantle? | 14:31 |
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| Lupu | Oh, yeah, it's there for calendar, but I haven't found it for contacts. | 14:32 |
| Lupu | (WTF?) Ok, that must be from a software update... | 14:33 |
| Lupu | It's quite clear. | 14:33 |
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| Lupu | Oh right, I was mixing two things. Last time I'd tried to send them over bluetooth. | 14:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | samad: i really don't know *anything* about rtcom | 14:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think the rtcom devs at one point actually were involved in the maemo-devel mailing list | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure if they still are | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | kirma: so the maps / photos people have a supl gateway, i believe it's exposed via the location api | 14:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | who takes care of n900wallpapers.com? | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | developer program announced | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=348237&postcount=1 | 14:44 |
| samad | get_events_core: assertion `RTCOM_IS_EL(el) | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAter: did you install my packager? | 14:45 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, device price - 300 € or it's 300 € ? I'm confused lol | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | 300 euro i guess | 14:47 |
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| jeremiah | 300 US dollars is cheap. | 14:48 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, ouch last time was around 100 € ;) | 14:49 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: it's a phone.. fairly cheap :P | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 14:49 |
| aSIMULAtor | your packager? | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | it's an *unlocked* phone | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | err package :( | 14:49 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: you aren't in channel :( | 14:49 |
| jeremiah | timeless_mbp: Did you end up using dpkg-divert? | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 14:50 |
| jeremiah | You really should | 14:50 |
| jeremiah | That is the tested and recommended technology | 14:50 |
| * VDVsx expects 'fire' in tmo this afternoon ;) | 14:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | i was told dpkg-divert was expensive for large numbers of diversions | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | karma 200 is actually quite low | 14:50 |
| andre__ | fire? | 14:50 |
| * timeless_mbp randomly pokes andre__ | 14:50 | |
| aSIMULAtor | now i am | 14:51 |
| Lantz | http://www.markdavestores.com/servlet/the-102/Nokia-N900/Detail $430.00 | 14:51 |
| jeremiah | timeless_mbp: Well, we'd probably need some benchmarks but it is the 'canonical' way to do that kinda thing :) | 14:51 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, you're welcome | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: you seem to qualify for developer rebate :> | 14:51 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantz: wtf?> | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 430 - damn that is cheap | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | they're offering it for 300 USD | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: yes - to qualified devs :/ | 14:52 |
| zerojayN900 | what/where? | 14:52 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: http://www.markdavestores.com/servlet/the-102/Nokia-N900/Detail | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | zerojayN900: developer programme came out today. 200+ karma resulting price 300 euro | 14:53 |
| Lantz | not sure if the co is on the up & up or not but I ran across that site last night | 14:53 |
| jeremiah | wow | 14:53 |
| andre__ | aha | 14:53 |
| * Stskeeps votes for "subtract your karma from the price" | 14:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | 300? | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | No way. | 14:53 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, cool, Nokia pays 800 to me? :-P | 14:53 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: heh | 14:53 |
| jeremiah | great idea. :) | 14:54 |
| zerojayN900 | wow. | 14:54 |
| andre__ | eh, "Task navigator" is an ugly term. how do you call the stuff where you start apps from by clicking an icon, and the stuff where you switch between already running apps? $your_favorite_term welcome | 14:54 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: oh? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32951 | 14:54 |
| Lantz | check out the suggestes retail then their price... | 14:54 |
| zaheerm | my karma is 17 only, it doesn't recognise my contributions upstream | 14:54 |
| jeremiah | andre__: thing-that-switches-between-stuff ? | 14:54 |
| Lantz | doesn't add up | 14:54 |
| jeremiah | zaheerm: Yeah, we need a karma trading system | 14:55 |
| andre__ | jeremiah, i told you before to not literally translate from swedish! ;-) | 14:55 |
| jeremiah | Where you can transfer karma from Ohloh, etc. to Maemo | 14:55 |
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| zerojayN900 | still... that's like half off, isn't it? | 14:55 |
| jeremiah | andre__: I sorry - me speak pretty one day! | 14:55 |
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| andre__ | tak tak | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: -260 accidentally, instead of -230? | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 130 | 14:55 |
| jeremiah | det var so lite! | 14:56 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he could port openmoko karma :/ | 14:56 | |
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| jeremiah | ingen fara, eller ingen ko pa isen | 14:56 |
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| frals | lol | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | i like the fact the devel programme is a addition | 14:56 |
| andre__ | heh | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | not substitution for the devices we already got | 14:56 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: no e-mail for me :P | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: me neither, and i have 550 karma | 14:56 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: So you mean we can buy *another* device? | 14:57 |
| jeremiah | One we can keep? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: that's what it says | 14:57 |
| andre__ | collect the whole set! | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | This invitation is compatible with previous steps of the N900 device program. If you got a pre-production device on loan you can still keep it for the period agreed and get the discounted device. All we ask you is to make good use of the devices you have e.g. finding a community developer to bring more software to Maemo 5. Otherwise you can return the loaned device. | 14:57 |
| * jeremiah dances around the room | 14:57 | |
| jeremiah | Talk about explicit. | 14:57 |
| jeremiah | Dear Nokia, I think I love you. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | wait | 14:57 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: and again, I can't buy it anyway | 14:57 |
| jeremiah | Don't tell my wife | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | "finding a community developer to bring more software to maemo 5 or return it" | 14:57 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: cause there's no "device program" in russia | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | what on earth does that mean? :P | 14:58 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: There is no one in the Mer world who needs a N900? | 14:58 |
| jeremiah | That you can send your loaner to? | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | i can mention a few | 14:58 |
| jeremiah | Isn't that what it means? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | but i am still bound by an agreement :P | 14:59 |
| jeremiah | That if you buy one via the developer program, you can pass along your device? | 14:59 |
| andre__ | "Don't bogart the N900! pass it!" | 14:59 |
| zerojayN900 | i wouldn't send mine out. how do i know the device gets back to nokia in one piece? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | maybe.. but i think this part needs to be clarified | 14:59 |
| jeremiah | Do they really think people will return them? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | i honestly don't know | 14:59 |
| jeremiah | "Sorry - I lost mine. Just can't find it." | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: given the nature of a n900, it's like the ring from lord of the rings.. | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | you don't leave it alone. | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:00 |
| jeremiah | heh | 15:00 |
| jeremiah | so true | 15:00 |
| zerojayN900 | yeah exactly | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: It turns you invisible to girls? | 15:00 |
| zerojayN900 | it's always on me. | 15:00 |
| jeremiah | Well, we all probably start that way | 15:00 |
| zerojayN900 | fuck no | 15:00 |
| jeremiah | :/ | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | right, got my mail | 15:00 |
| zerojayN900 | girls llloooove the n900. | 15:01 |
| woglinde | lol | 15:01 |
| jeremiah | My wife certainly does! | 15:01 |
| zerojayN900 | too bad im married. | 15:01 |
| jeremiah | That means she has the N810 to herself! | 15:01 |
| woglinde | I think my wife woulndt like it | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah: after seeing fremantle desktop she wants it on n810 instead :/ | 15:01 |
| woglinde | she makes software QS | 15:01 |
| woglinde | *g* | 15:01 |
| zerojayN900 | get to work! | 15:01 |
| zerojayN900 | lol | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the GPS on the n900 NMEA output? | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is there a binary driver? | 15:02 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: sooooo | 15:02 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps: Actually for here, all that matters is Mah Jong and some other games. :) | 15:02 |
| jeremiah | s/here/her | 15:02 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: that's why you've decided to swith to Fremantle desktop in Mer :D | 15:02 |
| jeremiah | I really like the new Mer desktop picture I saw yesterday | 15:02 |
| jeremiah | Very cool design | 15:02 |
| Corsac | hmhm, develpper program is accessible only to developers already active, isn't it? | 15:04 |
| wazd_ | http://www.markdavestores.com/servlet/the-102/Nokia-N900/Detail <- do they actually have n900 for 300 bucks? :) | 15:04 |
| Mek | in fact even only to developers already active in ways karma can measure | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_: One can dream. | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: karma 200+ | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_: I really doubt it | 15:04 |
| ifreq | wazd, nope | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | which is actually a low bar | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd_: I suspect they have taken 130 off 430, instead of 130 off the retail | 15:05 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: hmhm yeah ok so it's not really a way to get involved, more a reward for already done work | 15:06 |
| Corsac | (which is fine, though) | 15:06 |
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| zerojayN900 | how long until the first bitchfest in that thread? ;) | 15:07 |
| lardman | morning | 15:07 |
| lardman | -ish | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | zerojayN900: karma 200 is really low bar | 15:07 |
| tru | the N900 developer program, are you invited to that or is there a URL where you can sign up? | 15:08 |
| zaheerm | tru, invited by email | 15:08 |
| frals | i got over 100 karma and ive been here like a month, so anyone who has been active on maemo.org (not upstream etc) should have that easily :o | 15:08 |
| zerojayN900 | i know the bar is low. wouldn't stop some. | 15:08 |
| lardman | what's the news? | 15:08 |
| tru | zaheerm: alright, for already existing developers I guess? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: developer programme day | 15:08 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, in fact surprisingly low :) | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | (ie, christmas you pay for) | 15:08 |
| zaheerm | yah i jumped from karma 3 to 17 in a cpl days just by posting bugs and comments in talk.maemo.org | 15:09 |
| jeremiah | hello lardy! | 15:09 |
| lardman | hey jeremiah | 15:09 |
| zaheerm | i haven't yet released any of my code on garage or other | 15:09 |
| jeremiah | We're talking about getting a cheap N900 | 15:09 |
| jeremiah | :) | 15:09 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: thanks | 15:09 |
| Mek | it's just a bit strange that karma doesn't really measure if you've done development, yet it is used for a 'developer' program... | 15:10 |
| zaheerm | for £380 you can get it in UK (about 390 euros) | 15:10 |
| lardman | hmm, /me still waits for someone who knows the details of osso-abook to appear on the list | 15:10 |
| jeremiah | zaheerm: Yeah, you can build up karma pretty quickly - edit the wiki too. :) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | Mek: community participation, not development | 15:10 |
| zaheerm | by using 15pct code from nokia.co.uk and going to site through quidco (which gives 10 pct cashback on nokia) | 15:10 |
| Mek | Stskeeps: true, but than don't call it a developer program, but a community program or something.. | 15:10 |
| zerojayN900 | and here we go. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | development is not only development | 15:11 |
| jeremiah | Stskeeps++ | 15:11 |
| jeremiah | Development is documentation | 15:11 |
| suihkulokki | 15:07 < zerojayN900> how long until the first bitchfest in that thread? ;) | 15:11 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he'd had time to karma whore. | 15:11 | |
| suihkulokki | seems it started here already =) | 15:11 |
| zerojayN900 | yep. | 15:11 |
| AndrewFBlack | whats the full price for a n900 going to be in euros? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't it like 500-600? | 15:12 |
| frals | 599 | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | pre tax | 15:12 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: it should use the irc channel too :) | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: yeah but then line whoring would be a sport. | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. 300eur. Think I might pass | 15:13 |
| lardman | yeah, expensive esp with the exchange rate | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | Mek: Nokia call it a "device program" for "your contributions to the Maemo community" | 15:13 |
| Mek | ah, oaky, that's good than... | 15:14 |
| * Jaffa will stick with the loaner and then reconsider in 6 months. | 15:14 | |
| * Jaffa doesn't think Mrs Jaffa wants one. I *know* Mrs Lardman doesn't ;-) | 15:14 | |
| AndrewFBlack | wonder what he cost in USD for dev program is because if I have to pay 300 euros thats only $150 from regular us price. Where in euros it half off there prie | 15:14 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: yeah, well, flooding is not really allowed, nor here nor on talk.m.o | 15:14 |
| woglinde | hm where is the program? | 15:14 |
| lardman | I don't think she'll want one for £300 anyway ;) | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | lardman: :) | 15:15 |
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| Jaffa | woglinde: in your email, AFAICT | 15:15 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: same goes for mailing lists, I guess | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | what on earth does http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=348275&postcount=19 mean? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
| woglinde | hm somehow my garageemails seems to vanish | 15:15 |
| woglinde | let me check it | 15:15 |
| Corsac | (though there is no perfect way to calcul karma) | 15:15 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I'll read the thread in context. | 15:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Quim acts like Yoda now :) | 15:16 |
| lardman | Jaffa: what are the with contract prices like, quite cheap I thought? | 15:16 |
| zerojayN900 | lol | 15:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: like "Follow your instincts" or "Use the Force" :D | 15:16 |
| Corsac | arg | 15:17 |
| Corsac | talk.maemo.org doesn't share accounts with wiki? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: the force won't help me in a court ;) | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Last I saw, free on an 18x30 T-mobile contract. With a Vodafone PAYG price of 329 quid | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: No | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: you could have linked your account to garage account | 15:17 |
| Corsac | ok | 15:17 |
| * Jaffa finds the instructions | 15:17 | |
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| woglinde | hm | 15:17 |
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| woglinde | the password reset msg was sent | 15:18 |
| lcuk | Mek, community contributions program == developer program lol | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: http://wiki.maemo.org/Link_talk.maemo.org_account_with_maemo.org_profile | 15:18 |
| Corsac | thanks | 15:18 |
| woglinde | maybee I didnt set the spam option | 15:19 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 15:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | 18*30 I could _almost_ afford. | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | But my credit rating at the moment provokes riotous laughter. | 15:20 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: hmm, so probably cheaper to get with contract realistically, monthly one that is | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Probably, since you'll want data | 15:21 |
| lardman | or we can hope the pound becomes stronger before end of year | 15:21 |
| woglinde | lardman nope | 15:21 |
| Jaffa | lardman: seems unlikely, TBH. Eurozone slightly further ahead through recession AFAICT (Gemernay & France, anyway) | 15:22 |
| zaheerm | lardman, or buy a few from nokia's site currently and sell them in euros at a profit :) | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: work out the numbers. - you are saving on the order of a hundred quid a year | 15:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: compared with buying the contract SIM only. | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | This does of course mean you're being screwed when the contract runs out, but... | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: It looks like if your application is approved, the N900 would appear as an item you can purchase at forum.nokia.com's estore. | 15:23 |
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| woglinde | hm 432 on ebay germany with plan | 15:24 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? If I have to have a £20/month data contract anyway, buying a more expensive one makes the N900 pretty cheap over the year/18months | 15:24 |
| lardman | or is that what you did mean? | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: I mean - a SIM only contract is not actually cheaper than a contract with a phone often. | 15:25 |
| lardman | has been a long morning | 15:25 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: haha | 15:25 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: agreed | 15:25 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: fail for me :D | 15:25 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: I think we've had this conversation before, when I was getting a sim only to test the N900 | 15:25 |
| lardman | :) | 15:25 |
| Corsac | Karma 9 | 15:25 |
| Corsac | woohoo! | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: possibly - I've not woken up. | 15:25 |
| wazd | oh, got an e-mail! | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: I have you beat. 3! | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: forum.nokia can probably be used for buying in russia | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | Vodafone offered me a saving of 2-3 quid a month when renewing between keeping my existing phone or getting a new W890i | 15:25 |
| Lantz | my brother lives in Amsterdam... He says the N900 is free with 1 yr contract there | 15:26 |
| Corsac | maybe I'll have access to n9000 developer program! | 15:26 |
| woglinde | lantz what are the costs for the plan? | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: I think at karma 9, you qualify for a nokia 3310 headset. | 15:26 |
| lardman | Jaffa: same here, I had to take a new contract to get a decent sim only price, and even that isn't great | 15:26 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 15:26 |
| woglinde | re khertan | 15:27 |
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| wazd | Username is already taken, please select another. | 15:27 |
| Lantz | woglinger: getting that info now | 15:27 |
| wazd | no fucking way | 15:27 |
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| woglinde | hm ah you need this karma stuff | 15:28 |
| wazd | ah, it's taken by me :D | 15:28 |
| woglinde | bahahaaha | 15:28 |
| woglinde | ~karma | 15:28 |
| infobot | woglinde has neutral karma | 15:28 |
| woglinde | pff | 15:28 |
| Khertan | ~karma | 15:28 |
| woglinde | lol | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ~karma | 15:28 |
| infobot | speedevil has neutral karma | 15:28 |
| Khertan | <infobot> Someone already said that 8 seconds ago | 15:28 |
| Khertan | lol | 15:28 |
| Khertan | ~karma | 15:28 |
| infobot | khertan has neutral karma | 15:28 |
| Khertan | ~karma chaos | 15:28 |
| infobot | chaos has neutral karma | 15:28 |
| samad | i have run the code http://pastey.net/126661 and get the following | 15:28 |
| samad | contact[8742]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - _build_where_clause: assertion `priv->el' failed | 15:28 |
| samad | contact[8742]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_string_free: assertion `string != NULL' failed | 15:28 |
| samad | contact[8742]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - _get_events_core: assertion `RTCOM_IS_EL(el)' failed | 15:28 |
| samad | contact[8742]: GLIB CRITICAL ** default - rtcom_el_iter_get_valuearray: assertion `RTCOM_IS_EL_ITER(it)' faile | 15:28 |
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| woglinde | samd pastebin | 15:29 |
| zaheerm | i moved to an o2 simplicity 1 month rolling contract at end of my contract...waiting initially for a palm pre before i upgraded | 15:29 |
| range | Yay. Everybody checking their karma brought down maemo.org? | 15:29 |
| woglinde | ~pastebin | 15:29 |
| Khertan | hum ... developpers program | 15:29 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 15:29 |
| Khertan | 300Euros | 15:29 |
| Khertan | ouch | 15:29 |
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| Lantz | 19 euro/mo (I think thats about 25.00 US | 15:29 |
| woglinde | lantz one year 19 euros per month? | 15:29 |
| woglinde | or two years | 15:30 |
| Lantz | one year | 15:31 |
| woglinde | hm | 15:31 |
| woglinde | 228 | 15:31 |
| woglinde | that would be cheap | 15:31 |
| Lantz | so that works out to about 230 euro | 15:32 |
| lardman | anyone know if the address book is open source? | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | oh dear, go out for some quick lunch, come back to find a huuuuge scrollback because nokia announced the developer program | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | lardman: the backend or the user interface? | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | the backend is evolution-data-server, isn't it? | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: + osso abook | 15:32 |
| mgedmin | the user interface: my guess, given their previous track record, would be closed | 15:32 |
| lardman | mgedmin: ui | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | I'd like to know for sure | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: There was a talk at the summit talking about osso_abook taking EDS + Telepathy + SIM and combining them | 15:33 |
| lardman | mgedmin: though backend might be ok - need to work out how the onlineness of contacts is handled | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | where's the free/closed software map of maemo 5? | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | a list of all package names preinstalled in the rootfs with green FREE or red CLOSED next to it? | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | Everyone been too busy with shiny new SDK or device to actually check the source availability ;-) | 15:33 |
| mgedmin | I mean, somebody ought to have made such a map, right? | 15:33 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yeah, but the api docs are rather confusing as to how to use everything | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | lardman: For online stuff, use osso_abook and it has a "presence" indicator. THat'll merge all VoIP/IM account statuses | 15:34 |
| lardman | Jaffa: I want data structs no ui | 15:34 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: I mean a "presence" property | 15:34 |
| lardman | I need to work out which contacts are online, and keep that list updated, and then will display it on libchamplain map | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | ooh | 15:35 |
| * mgedmin want | 15:35 | |
| Jaffa | lardman: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API#Non-Widget_Classes | 15:35 |
| lardman | not much help really | 15:35 |
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| lardman | I mean good for some specifics | 15:36 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: I can't buy online on nokia site in russia | 15:36 |
| lardman | but where do things like McAccount *account come from? | 15:36 |
| lardman | not the def, how to create one | 15:36 |
| Lantz | woglinde: He said that is $342.26 US + tax | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Ah. | 15:36 |
| woglinde | lantz I am in europe | 15:36 |
| Khertan | Hum ... should i bought a discounted device ... or ... wait ... | 15:37 |
| Khertan | hum ... not sure | 15:37 |
| lardman | Jaffa: needs a better example, the one in Garage examples doesn't really use osso-abook at all | 15:37 |
| fiferboy | Could someone with a GPRS connection test personal-ip-address 0.3-1 in extras-devel? | 15:37 |
| penguinbait | I am thinking wait, not really much of a discount | 15:37 |
| Khertan | no ... | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: I probably could | 15:37 |
| Khertan | i prefer a test of homeip | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: are you the author? | 15:37 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Thanks! | 15:37 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Yes | 15:37 |
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| mgedmin | oh, I have 0.3-1 installed | 15:38 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:38 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: Do python home applets work in fremantle yet? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: it has no icon any more -- is that expected? | 15:38 |
| Khertan | fiferboy: i ve just some difficulty with transparency | 15:38 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Yes, there was a redesign | 15:38 |
| Khertan | fiferboy: but works on n900 | 15:38 |
| Khertan | segfault on scratchbox | 15:38 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: There are some weird things going on with transparency on the desktop in general | 15:39 |
| Khertan | fiferboy: yep | 15:39 |
| Khertan | right now i ve just ported homeip | 15:39 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Does it tell you the interface you are connected to? | 15:39 |
| Khertan | the other will follow | 15:39 |
| fiferboy | Very cool | 15:39 |
| lizardo | Khertan: did you run it standalone ? if sou you need to call it like "run-standalone.sh python2.5 applet.py" | 15:39 |
| * Khertan have so many thing to do for fremantle | 15:39 | |
| Khertan | lizardo: yep | 15:40 |
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| fiferboy | hildon-desktop should take care of that if you add it through the interface | 15:40 |
| Khertan | lizardo: and to be honest i didn't understand why it segfault on scratchbox | 15:40 |
| lizardo | Khertan: are you using x86 target ? | 15:40 |
| Khertan | lizardo: and i ve also pygtkeditor which segfault on scratchbox | 15:40 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: What kind of widgets do you use on it? Just labels? | 15:40 |
| Khertan | lizardo: of course | 15:40 |
| Khertan | lizardo: maybe something related to my installation | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: yes | 15:41 |
| lizardo | fiferboy, Khertan : there is a known issue on the home applets , see the "Known issues" section on the release e-mail : http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021433.html | 15:41 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: What does it say? phonet0? | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: personal-gprs-monitor is a bit broken'ish, though | 15:41 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: The icons? | 15:42 |
| Khertan | fiferboy: a gtk.Icon and a gtk.Label in a gtk.HBox | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: wlan0 currently, will switch to 3g now (I expect gprs0) | 15:42 |
| lizardo | Khertan: it would be nice if you put the error output on some pastebin for us to look :) | 15:42 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: That should be fine. I have had trouble with gtk.button, though | 15:42 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: icons *and* it says "184.208 ME" since the B doesn't fit | 15:42 |
| fiferboy | lizardo: I don't use python, but thanks | 15:42 |
| Khertan | fiferboy: you will get trouble with all things with receive click | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: icons were broken in old version too until I rebooted | 15:43 |
| Khertan | lizardo: yes ... once i will be able to get something more usefull than "segfault" | 15:43 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Thanks. Icons are because the widget gets added before the icon cache gets update :| | 15:43 |
| Khertan | lizardo: i ll send it ;) | 15:43 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Simply removing and adding the widget works too | 15:43 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: event boxes work fine to get clicks | 15:43 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: could i ask you to test homeip too ? | 15:43 |
| Khertan | fiferboy: yep | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | Khertan: oh, those are different things? | 15:44 |
| murrayc__ | Khertan: Is it a desktop widget? | 15:44 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: yep different developper :) | 15:44 |
| * mgedmin is drowning in the information flood and losing his touch with reality | 15:44 | |
| Khertan | murrayc__: yes | 15:44 |
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| Khertan | murrayc__: currently a python home widget | 15:44 |
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| Khertan | homeip 1.0.0-2 available in extras-devel | 15:44 |
| murrayc__ | Khertan: Then it's easy to make the background transparent. See the code from here: http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2009/05/11/maemo-5-desktop-widget-example/ | 15:45 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Thanks for the gprs-mon report - I will fix that | 15:45 |
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| penguinbait | why is it good to loan 300 devices to anyone who when to summit, then charge developers so much? | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: ip applet bug(?): I switched to a 3g connection and now it shows me usb0 with the address I configured manually instead of gprs0 with my external ip | 15:45 |
| penguinbait | wouldnt it have been better to loan 300 developers the devices? | 15:46 |
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| mgedmin | fiferboy: I suggest you look at the default route when deciding which interface to show | 15:46 |
| Khertan | murrayc__: i use cairo too :) but doesn't work ... think i ve made an error somewhere in the code | 15:46 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: The device programme isn't just for developers. Can we kill that meme? | 15:46 |
| murrayc__ | penguinbait: Users give user feedback. Developers give developer feedback. | 15:46 |
| lcuk | a shotgun approach hitting a bigger spectrum of the audience is good | 15:46 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Thanks, I will look at that too | 15:46 |
| murrayc__ | Khertan: You understand that it's about the RGBA, right? | 15:46 |
| Khertan | yep | 15:46 |
| murrayc__ | OK, sorry then. | 15:46 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:46 |
| * Jaffa is surprised the device programme is so expensive, but <shrug/> | 15:47 | |
| Jaffa | It's still a generous discount to a large number of people | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | Which I don't think Nokia did to the Symbian community on the launch of the N97 | 15:47 |
| samad | i have run the code http://pastey.net/126661 and get the following | 15:47 |
| Khertan | but thanks for the help as i ll probably found my mistake reading your code | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | are the numbers of discounted devices publicly available? | 15:48 |
| penguinbait | how it it a generous discount, I can buy new for 549, or buy on dev discount for 449 | 15:48 |
| penguinbait | not that generous to me? | 15:48 |
| samad | the golloeing error http://pastey.net/126663 | 15:48 |
| mgedmin | maybe more developers will get n900 with a smaller discount? | 15:48 |
| samad | i have run the code http://pastey.net/126661 and get the following error http://pastey.net/126663 | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: Please send me $100. Don't worry, it's not generous ;-p | 15:48 |
| * Khertan is surprize too by the price and expect that loaned device will become free :) | 15:48 | |
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| Stskeeps | penguinbait: 549 with subsidy? | 15:49 |
| penguinbait | http://www.pcconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail?Sku=10330687&SourceID=k130775 | 15:49 |
| penguinbait | 549 unlocked | 15:49 |
| lcuk | jaffa: http://liqbase.net/jaffa_drizzle.jpg | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Mmmm, orangey | 15:50 |
| penguinbait | I am sure I can get one from a carrier for cheaper | 15:50 |
| Khertan | murrayc__: seems that getting the colormap in the expose event instead of the realize event isn't the right way :) | 15:50 |
| penguinbait | some day | 15:50 |
| Khertan | murrayc__: thx for the help | 15:50 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:50 |
| lardman | Khertan: s/expect/hope | 15:51 |
| Khertan | lardman: yep :) | 15:51 |
| mgedmin | Khertan: what kind of testing did you want for homeip? | 15:51 |
| murrayc__ | Khertan: You mean my example code is correct? | 15:51 |
| Khertan | murrayc__: surely as i mean mine is wrong :) | 15:52 |
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| murrayc__ | Khertan: OK. That's reassuring. | 15:52 |
| Mozillion | after af-sb-init.sh start... should one be able to use dbus-monitor? because I cannot.. and also some programs report having problems reaching d-bus... but most in the GUI seem to run fine | 15:52 |
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| Khertan | Mozillion: run your application with run-standalone.sh | 15:53 |
| mgedmin | apt-get update fails with write error (28 no space left on device) | 15:53 |
| Mozillion | tried that.. didn't really help | 15:53 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: self explanatory, I'd say :) | 15:54 |
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| Mozillion | Khertan: in particular I want to try hermes and fiddle with it.. but gconftool-2 from postinst doesn't seem to be happy | 15:54 |
| lardman | so, any guesses as to whether the OssoABookProfileGroup's refilter-* signals are used to determine change of presence? | 15:54 |
| mgedmin | running gconftool from a postinst is a hack | 15:55 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: just try if homeip get always ip from the phone in 3G, GPRS or other phone data connection mode | 15:55 |
| mgedmin | Khertan: "no free space on device" means I can't try homeip now :( | 15:56 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: ouch | 15:56 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: just an advice ... make some place before next reboot | 15:56 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: as you can have trouble | 15:56 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting, libosso-abook doesn't seem to exist in the repo | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | well, I have 232 kilobytes free, so I should be all right, yes? | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | lardman, can you build a small app with a tree view using the list store you get from abook, and then see if the tree view updates automatically when contacts appear and disappear? | 15:57 |
| mgedmin | I would hope that the normal gtk tree model changed signals are emitted to keep the information current | 15:58 |
| Corsac | Jaffa: ok, thanks | 15:58 |
| Corsac | Jaffa: so first talk.m.o, than Talk:MaemoSecurity then MaemoSecurity, kind-of? | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | Mozillion: You running Hermes on the SDK? (I'm the author so may be able to help) | 15:58 |
| samad | i have run the code http://pastey.net/126661 and get the following error http://pastey.net/126663is anybody there to help me ? | 15:58 |
| Mozillion | Jaffa: ah.. you are here! | 15:59 |
| Corsac | Jaffa: do you think we can switch the already-replied questions to main page? | 15:59 |
| milos_ | ~karma | 15:59 |
| lardman | perhaps, I need to work out what an McProfile *profile is first though | 15:59 |
| infobot | milos_ has neutral karma | 15:59 |
| Mozillion | Jaffa: well, I wanted to try... but it was just another indication at something being wrong | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: That's what lbt was thinking at the start, I think. Elena's answered on Talk: tho' ;-) | 15:59 |
| Corsac | yeah but that's where the question were asked :) | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: Moving the already answered stuff and moderating the questions from Talk: to the main page where sensible is good. | 15:59 |
| mgedmin | lardman, oh, you know, things like whether you usually order extra fries, etc | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | ...idea | 15:59 |
| lardman | yeah ;) | 16:00 |
| Corsac | ok, will do the first step (if you don't mind) | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | does infobot ever say anything other than 'neutral karma'? | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | what's the deb-src line for debian? | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | Mozillion: The gconftool-2 in postinst is used for two things: setting the Facebook API keys (so the app doesn't have them, and forks use their own); 2) fixing a browser launch issue which affects python-facebook authentication | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin++ | 16:00 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: you mean a real debian? | 16:00 |
| Mozillion | aah.. ok | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | ~karma mgedmin | 16:00 |
| Mozillion | but.. | 16:00 |
| infobot | mgedmin has neutral karma | 16:00 |
| Mozillion | Jaffa: Jaffa: http://paste.debian.net/49245/ | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | ~mgedmin++ | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | ~karma mgedmin | 16:00 |
| infobot | mgedmin has karma of 1 | 16:00 |
| mgedmin | I want to port a debian package (dctrl-tools) to fremantle, quickly | 16:00 |
| Jaffa | Mozillion: af-sb-init.sh start run? | 16:01 |
| Corsac | deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian sid main | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | whoa | 16:01 |
| Mozillion | yes.. it's running | 16:01 |
| Corsac | replace fr by your country, and suite as appropriate | 16:01 |
| Mozillion | I can see d-bus in the ps-tree | 16:01 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | Mozillion: There's been a thread on maemo-developers (IIRC) of using D-Bus in the SDK. | 16:01 |
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| lbt | did I save my changes last night? | 16:01 |
| Mozillion | ok.. I already tried searching there.. so might have overlooked | 16:01 |
| zaheerm | ~karma zaheerm | 16:02 |
| infobot | zaheerm has neutral karma | 16:02 |
| zaheerm | :P | 16:02 |
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| Jaffa | Mozillion: Back in the beta SDK there wasn't any contact support, so I've got used to an "edit on desktop, run on device" use case for Hermes dev. | 16:02 |
| Corsac | ~karma Corsac | 16:02 |
| infobot | corsac has neutral karma | 16:02 |
| Corsac | prft | 16:03 |
| lardman | ~karma lardman | 16:03 |
| infobot | lardman has neutral karma | 16:03 |
| jeremiah | ~Stskeeps++ | 16:03 |
| lardman | hmm | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | Mozillion: patches welcome - outline of some features planned and links to bug tracker now on http://hermes.garage.maemo.org/ | 16:03 |
| Mozillion | Jaffa: ah.. yes, makes sense :) | 16:03 |
| Mozillion | cool | 16:03 |
| jeremiah | ~karma Stskeeps | 16:03 |
| infobot | stskeeps has karma of 3 | 16:03 |
| mgedmin | catch 22: I want to free disk space by removing largest packages -> I want dpigs -> I need grep-status which is from dctrl-tools -> I need free space to install dctrl-tools | 16:03 |
| jeremiah | ~Corsac++ | 16:03 |
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| jeremiah | ~karma Corsac | 16:03 |
| infobot | corsac has karma of 1 | 16:04 |
| jeremiah | Don't forget your Tilde! :) | 16:04 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: mv /usr/share/hildon-welcome/..hands...avi ;-) | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: already done that | 16:04 |
| mgedmin | it's only a meg or so | 16:04 |
| Myrtti | rubbish. | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | head: invalid option -- - | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | waaah | 16:05 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Yeah. apt-get clean (if you've been using apt directly)? | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | I'm running apt-get clean every 30 seconds to settle my nerves | 16:05 |
| mgedmin | no reduction | 16:05 |
| Khertan | Hum ... someone have an idea on how i can use a GtkSourceView.View in a pannablearea ? as gtk.sourceview.view subclasse gtk.TextView and not hildon.TextView | 16:05 |
| Khertan | and so i get the feature : select and scroll at the same time | 16:05 |
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| Khertan | not really useable :) | 16:05 |
| Khertan | should i try to fork gtksourceview to hildonsourceview ? | 16:06 |
| jeremiah | mgedmin: apt-get autoclean | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | looks like you need ... multiple inheritance! (dum dum dum) | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | jeremiah: that's a weaker form of apt-get clean | 16:06 |
| wao | waah | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | I just need to rm a few packages | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | vim eats 20 megs, but I need it | 16:06 |
| jeremiah | Yes, but safer :) | 16:06 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: .... hum ... | 16:06 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: in c ? | 16:06 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:06 |
| mgedmin | I ought to optify vim | 16:06 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: I got an email about vim btw | 16:07 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: Are you adding it with a container_add or a hildon_pannable_area_add_with_viewport? | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | can we get an extra debian control field "Installed-size-in-root"? | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Since the current one is built by mud, optification is a case of adding "optify=1" to the mud.xml, but appeanretly there are some issues with cursor keys | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: I'll forward you the mail | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | oh? | 16:07 |
| mgedmin | after optification? | 16:08 |
| Khertan | fiferboy with the equivalent of container_add in python which is add, as hildon_pannable_area_add_with_viewport cannot be used has sourceview.View have native scroll | 16:08 |
| mgedmin | mud rules and I should learn to use it some day | 16:08 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: No, with the current one in extras-devel (which was copied from diablo) | 16:08 |
| * lardman feels the intense frustration of wanting to crack on with a project but having no clue how to use the api | 16:08 | |
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| lcuk | lardman, find the devs of the api and discuss with them | 16:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah | 16:11 |
| lcuk | i know, easier said than done | 16:11 |
| lardman | am feeling my inspiration leaking away | 16:12 |
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| lardman | spending hours plugging through api docs and still not actually managing to work out what they are supposed to do/how they are supposed to fit together | 16:13 |
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| lardman | ah well, back to work to do something useful - writing US C-scan analysis code | 16:13 |
| lardman | cu all later | 16:13 |
| lcuk | ok, why dont you get a piece of paper and draw what you want it to do | 16:13 |
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| lardman | ready?: | 16:14 |
| lcuk | lol | 16:14 |
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| lardman | [get list of online contacts; make sure it stays up to date] | 16:14 |
| lardman | done | 16:14 |
| lcuk | haha | 16:14 |
| lcuk | ok - just like the list of irc contacts over there >>>>>>> | 16:14 |
| lardman | so not very difficult, except in working out how all the components are supposed to fit together | 16:14 |
| lardman | yeah, but on the N900 | 16:14 |
| * lcuk nods | 16:14 | |
| lardman | I could do it with timer callbacks and then parse the whole list, but I guess there must be signals generated when a contact state changes, so I'd prefer to use that method | 16:15 |
| lcuk | Robot101 you are involved in the IM side of things, does what lardman want get exposed i nthe api and if so, do you have any examples? | 16:15 |
| Myrtti | ohai | 16:15 |
| lcuk | or know who would | 16:15 |
| lcuk | hi Myrtti \o | 16:15 |
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| lardman | :) | 16:15 |
| * Myrtti tries to keep her head up | 16:15 | |
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| lardman | bbiam, must get back to work | 16:16 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: email inbound | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | ah, I assumed it was inbound 10 minutes ago when you first mentioned it ;) | 16:17 |
| mgedmin | got it | 16:17 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: I got distracted ;) | 16:18 |
| mgedmin | the enter key inserts OM thing is familiar: if I use screen inside fremantle's xterm I get the same problem | 16:19 |
| mgedmin | without screen everything works | 16:19 |
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| mgedmin | vim 7.2-0maemo4fremantle0: arrow keys and enter work fine in insert mode | 16:19 |
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| mgedmin | screen also breaks utf-8 horribly | 16:20 |
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| mgedmin | and when I say screen I mean: open the maemo 5 xterm, ssh into my remote ubuntu machine, run screen, try to do anything inside screen -> utter fail | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | while open maemo 5 xterm, ssh into my ubuntu machine, run apps without screen -> win | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | strange | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | from my ubuntu laptop ssh'ing to the same server and using screen works | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | and maemo xterm uses the same vte as my laptop's gnome-terminal | 16:21 |
| mgedmin | does the terminfo db on maemo have an entry for 'screen'? | 16:21 |
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| mgedmin | interesting: laptop ssh to n900, then from n900 ssh to server, run screen -> same problems | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | weird | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | maemo changes something in my locale perhaps? | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | overrides $TERM somehow? | 16:23 |
| Jaffa | hmm, interesting idea | 16:23 |
| mgedmin | wait, only just now read the part about losing focus | 16:24 |
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| fiferboy | mgedmin: Implemented the default gateway suggestiong, thanks ;) | 16:24 |
| mgedmin | hm, cannot repro | 16:25 |
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| * VDVsx ponders about the devel discount program ... needs to get a job first :P | 16:27 | |
| mgedmin | hm, svn doesn't consider VeriSign to be a trusted certificate authority | 16:27 |
| Khertan | when i look at all screenshot of application running Maemo 5 ... i still see a low battery icon | 16:28 |
| Khertan | 2 solutions : i require sometimes to port something to fremantle | 16:28 |
| jeremiah | mgedmin: I think there is a flag you can use to preserve certain environment variables via ssh | 16:28 |
| zerojayN900 | fiferboy pia appears to show the correct interface. good job. | 16:28 |
| Khertan | power isn't well managed yet in the pre production device :) | 16:28 |
| fiferboy | zerojayN900: Thanks. There is an issue with the interface when you set up usb0 as well | 16:28 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, my screenshot was not low power :) | 16:29 |
| Khertan | someone know what s the differences in the pre production device and the final one ? | 16:29 |
| fiferboy | Hopefully that is straightened out now by using the default gateway (thanks mgedmin!) | 16:29 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, http://zaheer.merali.org/articles/2009/10/16/using-gstreamer-python-in-maemo-5-on-n900/ | 16:29 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: not low ... but not full too :) | 16:29 |
| Khertan | http://khertan.net/wp-content/uploads/screenshot02.png | 16:29 |
| zaheerm | Khertan, it has been many hours since it was last on a charger | 16:29 |
| Khertan | zaheerm: hum ... mine drain battery very fast | 16:30 |
| Khertan | still don't know why | 16:30 |
| zaheerm | yah it does drain battery fast if you use it :) | 16:30 |
| Khertan | yep ... maybe the problem i use it :) | 16:30 |
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| Khertan | look at the load applet icon | 16:31 |
| Khertan | i can say : i use it :) | 16:31 |
| mgedmin | also, on n810 the battery indicator was like this: 100% ... 100% ... 100% ... 100% ... 100% ... 100% ... 80% 50% 20% 10% dead! | 16:32 |
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| mgedmin | on the n900 it's more like 100% ... 90% ... 80% ... 70% ... 60% ... 50% ... 40% ... 30% ... 20% ... 10% ... user decides to recharge without waiting for 0% | 16:32 |
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| mgedmin | ooh, <upgrade-description> in mud.xml | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, i sat for 2 hours in a cafe in amsterdam writing on liqbase - the battery low indicator even gave up on me | 16:35 |
| lcuk | every page i thought "i best stop now" | 16:35 |
| lcuk | but i got the whole thing I was trying to write out :) | 16:36 |
| zaheerm | yep | 16:36 |
| zaheerm | s/yep// | 16:36 |
| infobot | zaheerm meant: | 16:36 |
| AchipA | also, keep in mind what charger you're using. The 1200mA charger in the box charges fairly quickly, USB charging is slooow and with a 350mA BT headphone charger I'm still actually losing battery power :) | 16:36 |
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| lcuk | AchipA, that might explain why my battery died even tho plugged in | 16:37 |
| lcuk | i was running the device kinda hot for a few hours | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | the usb charger can charge my n900 in under 4 hours | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | what's the time limit for the 1.2A megacharger? | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | 2 hours? one and a half? | 16:37 |
| lcuk | i suppose different computers have different ratings and it will depend what you are doing at the time | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | isn't usb limited to 500 mA or something like that? | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | USB standard excepting chargers - yes. | 16:38 |
| mgedmin | either that, or supposed to supply at least 500 mA | 16:38 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: true | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | There are other standards that relate to chargers and devices that can provide other than 500mA over the same connector. | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - short the data pins together, is one way of telling the device that you're a charger | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | and then the - relatively recent - addition to the spec for chargers applies. | 16:39 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: not on some apple macbooks | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Also. | 16:39 |
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| lardman | re | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Very few USB ports actually limit at 500mA | 16:39 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: some apple macbooks can deliver 1000mA | 16:40 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: Really ? | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | There will often be one polyfuse at 2A - say - shared over 4 ports. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | So you can draw 2.5A for a couple of minutes | 16:40 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: all my pc wasn't able to deliver more than 500mA over usb | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: measured how? | 16:40 |
| zash | Khertan: for external optical drives rigt? | 16:41 |
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| ArSa | george foreman usb iGrill! | 16:41 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: measure by two scanner using 500mA on usb | 16:41 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:41 |
| wazd_ | well, that's a fuck up, but whatever | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: it varies dramatically, yes. | 16:41 |
| Khertan | if i plug one ... i can't use the second | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: and that's probably a seperate issue | 16:41 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil: maybe ... | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: The USB stack adds up the current in use by the declared devices, and will not enable ones that use more than a total of 500mA | 16:42 |
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| ArSa | the real usb grill http://xe.bz/aho/24/image/0608152132_009.jpg | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | There is nothing that typically actually measures it in most PCs. | 16:43 |
| AchipA | lcuk: I actually got it charged in little over an hour when turned off with the boxy charger... | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | As that's expensive. | 16:43 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: When you had the gprs-mon label cut off, were the icons screwed up at the same time? | 16:43 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: yes | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | AchipA, cool | 16:43 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Ah. So the label probably doesn't cut off when the icons are correct. Could you remove and then add it to see? | 16:44 |
| AchipA | usb devices should, in theory, report how many 'units' of power they use (a unit is 100mW in USB2 IIRC) | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | mA | 16:44 |
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| AchipA | yes | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (500mW@5V) | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: you're right, it looks all nice and pretty now | 16:44 |
| AchipA | slipped, sorry :) | 16:44 |
| * RST38h suggests a USB-powered electric iChair for hamsters | 16:44 | |
| fiferboy | whew | 16:44 |
| RST38h | ehlo fiferboy | 16:45 |
| fiferboy | I really have to get the icon cache thing rigured out... | 16:45 |
| fiferboy | hey RST38h | 16:45 |
| * mgedmin wonders if it 123<sup>.456</sup> would look better than the current 123.<sup>456</sup> | 16:45 | |
| RST38h | fiferboy: icon cache thing is slightly broken in current Maemo5 | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | you're not the only one | 16:45 |
| AchipA | the USB port itself is not limiting the power to this exact amount, it's just for bookkeeping. It should, however, disable unused ports if this amount is reached. | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | it works for some apps, fails on other | 16:45 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs and wishes the USB standard supported 'high power' hubs at 30V. That would have killed 99% of random chargers on the desktop. | 16:45 | |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: you are spewing html at us =) | 16:45 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: I can try it :) | 16:45 |
| RST38h | fiferboy,mgedmin: folks if you install, update the icon cache, and still do not see the icons, it is ok, not your fault afaik | 16:46 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: My problem with icon cache is that it gets executed in postinst, but the desktop widget gets automatically added before that | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | some old-school texts had the decimal point centered rather than on the baseline | 16:46 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: Oh. | 16:46 |
| Corsac | hmhm, can I watch a thread in talk? | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | mhm | 16:46 |
| Corsac | (like, being mailed on replis) | 16:46 |
| Corsac | replies* | 16:46 |
| AchipA | SpeedEvil: but it does, you have powered usb :) | 16:46 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: The icons are there, icon cache is working. | 16:47 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: Can youexplicitley check if the icons are the there and if not, check in 5 minutes? | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: That sounds like a good workaround | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | Or at least, a workable one :) | 16:47 |
| SamPieter | hello, I'd like to make screenshots on my N810. there must be an app for that, I'm sure I read about it somewhere, but I cannot find it. Who knows the name of the app? | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | AchipA: I mean - if devices could negotiate for 30V vcc - at 0.5A - and get it if they were plugged into a high power hub. So you'd lose 99% of the power bricks. But... | 16:47 |
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| mgedmin | Jaffa: help! packages/vim.pkg/mud.xml says <version>7.2-0maemo5</version> but mud build vim produces upload/vim_7.2-0maemo1.dsc | 16:48 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, how would your app know that the theme (and hence icons) have changed | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | does osso/hildon raise an event.. | 16:48 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: it is a hack of course, but should work | 16:49 |
| AchipA | SpeedEvil: negotiating voltage is scary business :) lot of potential for damage | 16:49 |
| SpeedEvil | AchipA: yeah. | 16:49 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: No. But when I add the icons the first time I can find out if it was successful. | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: also, what's the diff between packages/vim.xml and packages/vim.pkg/mud.xml? | 16:49 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: If it didn't find the icon then, I can put in a timer and try again later | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | ah, one is unversioned | 16:49 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: Also, I somehow suspect that there is a way to load the icon ignoring the cache | 16:49 |
| RST38h | Maybe some setting passed to some function, no? | 16:49 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: There is. | 16:49 |
| mgedmin | that'll teach me to use old svn checkouts without checking svn status | 16:49 |
| fiferboy | Using the icon cache is the easiest, but there are other ways | 16:50 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: then if(cache_fails) { use_the_hairy_way; } | 16:50 |
| fiferboy | RST38h: That's probably the way I will go. | 16:50 |
| mgedmin | how do other, working, widgets do it? | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | do they not use the icon cache? | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | The frustrating part is, after I remove the icons and update the cache - I can't replicate the problem! | 16:51 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: packages/vim.xml should've been deleted :-). MUD used to have icons, patches and xml separate. Now they're grouped under the .pkg dir | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Maybe not, I don't know for sure | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: <deb optify="1"> should do what, exactly, to debian/rules? I see nothing about /opt or maemo-optify there | 16:52 |
| lardman | hmm, trying to see who to ask for addressbook details, I looked at who the bug tracker would assign such bugs to and the answer is: nobody@maemo.org | 16:52 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: It'll stick maemo-optify in at the end of debian/rules | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | Looks like gtk_icon_theme_has_icon is the way to go | 16:53 |
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| mgedmin | well, it didn't | 16:53 |
| mgedmin | also I don't have maemo-optify in my sbox | 16:53 |
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| mgedmin | and apt-cache search doesn't find it | 16:53 |
| * mgedmin a bit lost | 16:53 | |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: You may need apt-get install sharutils maemo-optify and a few other things | 16:54 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: apt-get update and then apt-cache search? | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | which repo contains maemo-optify? | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: It's in extras-devel IIRC, so you'll need to ensure your sbox has that in /etc/apt/... | 16:55 |
| Jaffa | http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-optify/ | 16:55 |
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| * mgedmin adds extras-devel to apt sources | 16:56 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: forum.nokia is a seperate store than nokia store btw | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Got Quim's email? | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | are we supposed to apply for "free company account" ? | 16:57 |
| * RST38h had to change his address from .RU to .US real quick | 16:57 | |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Yes | 16:57 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: yep | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: when i get my payout i would probably drop in 50 eur or something into the pool to get you a n900. | 16:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: Chances are you will get it first :) | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | ha ha office phone field is required | 16:58 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Cell phone number will suffice | 16:58 |
| RST38h | And call yourself a president or something | 16:58 |
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| wazd_ | mgedmin: most of red marked fields are not required actually | 16:58 |
| wazd_ | mgedmin: that's a joke) | 16:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: Wrong. The evil robot (tm) even requires both City and Province fields | 16:59 |
| jeremiah | mgedmin: Call yourself CORPORATE OVERLORD | 16:59 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: I can't get it anyway so keep your cash for yourself :) | 16:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: Why can't you get it? | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | ha ha ha: the company name (which is an empty field) is already in use | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: hm, would surprise me if you can't | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: since it's forum.nokia.com e-store | 16:59 |
| jeremiah | N900 Shipping End of October, US $649.00 | 17:00 |
| jeremiah | http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367 | 17:00 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, I'm in too ;) | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: which is very different from nokia store | 17:01 |
| johnsq | Hi | 17:01 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: where can I check it's details? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: same place you sign up for an account? :P | 17:02 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: cause I asked manager at the Nokia Store in Moscow and he told me that ynfortunately they're not participating in DDP | 17:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: Listen, there are ways around all this stuff. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: yes, i know - but this is forum nokia | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | for professionals/community developers now too | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | seperate store / delivery system | 17:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: Screw the Nokia Store. It is a Forum Nokia eStore. If it does not ship to Russia, you can ship to any of the countries where maemo.org devs live and one of them will pass your N900 to Moscow with whoever is traveling here | 17:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yes, it may not be instant. But it will get here. | 17:04 |
| AchipA | exactly, I have forfeited my Serbian address for a Hungarian one for this purpose | 17:05 |
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| mgedmin | the good: Forum Nokia eStore has Lithuania in the country dropdown for shipping address | 17:07 |
| RST38h | wazd: Of course, I would suggest the US (cheaper price + you get all four arrows :)) | 17:07 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Do you know anyone regularly traveling to .RU? | 17:07 |
| wazd_ | call me stupid but I can't find that store :D | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | the bad: I cannot test whether they will actually ship anything without ordering something | 17:07 |
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| woglinde | mgedim shure? | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | RST38h: Russian Federation is also in that dropdown | 17:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: When you register for the corporate account, at the bottom of the corporate forum nokia page, there is a list of devices and services | 17:08 |
| woglinde | cant you cancel it in the last step? | 17:08 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Then it will work for wazd | 17:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: The only device on the list is N75 right now | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | woglinde: I'm not going to enter my credit card number and risk accidentally buying a N75 just to test that | 17:09 |
| woglinde | mgedim *g* | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: The only possible problem is the taxes though | 17:09 |
| mgedmin | if, for the purposes of scientific curiosity, you would be so kind as to provide me with a valid credit card number and billing address, I might go ahead and do the test | 17:09 |
| AchipA | wazd_: Premium services -> eStore | 17:09 |
| * RST38h not curious =) | 17:10 | |
| mgedmin | RST38h: yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the customs demands extra $$$ for letting you have it | 17:10 |
| wazd_ | AchipA: oh, thanks :) | 17:10 |
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| woglinde | mgedmin lol that was a cheap pishing try | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | sir, you would me by your lack of trust! | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | I'm risking my reputation here, you know | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | ~karma | 17:11 |
| infobot | mgedmin has karma of 1 | 17:11 |
| mgedmin | see, I clearly can be trusted | 17:11 |
| woglinde | lol | 17:11 |
| RST38h | FCC issued a call for public comments on a study (PDF) done by Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society about whether the US should require the telephone and cable companies to open their networks to competitors so that independent ISPs could begin offering broadband | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i always wondered why they would have to let independent isps in on their owned lines.. | 17:13 |
| * RST38h wonders if Obama does get shot at the end, for making such plans | 17:13 | |
| RST38h | Sts: You now know why. I just don't think the same will ever happen with cable or wireless | 17:13 |
| * Khertan don't know what to think about developper programs ... | 17:16 | |
| Khertan | it s amazing great from Nokia to offer discounted device | 17:17 |
| RST38h | Khertan: ? | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | vim: optified 9 entries, saving about 17519 kB. | 17:17 |
| Khertan | but there is so many people whinning | 17:17 |
| RST38h | vim is taking 17+ MB? Horrible | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | people like whining | 17:17 |
| RST38h | Nano takes <2MB | 17:17 |
| Khertan | whining ... i'm not sure this help nokia ... really | 17:18 |
| derf | vim has a few more features. | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | vim is a full-featured editor rich with features, unlike nano | 17:18 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: vim isn't an editor | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Khertan: People always whine, disregard | 17:18 |
| mgedmin | those 20 megs are mostly vim plugin files adding support for various formats, syntax rules, etc | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: i am willing to bet qgil is sitting and grinning at how silly those people are, at a cafe with a beer, reading the thread on his n900 ;p | 17:18 |
| AchipA | :) | 17:18 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: nano does what I want. vim requires me to switch between navigation and entry modes. | 17:18 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: i hope it take a beer or relaxing when reading this thread | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Result: nano stays, vim goes | 17:19 |
| AchipA | Khertan: you had the same talk the other way round, when the EUR/USD rate cut Eur folks | 17:19 |
| Khertan | AchipA: yep ... but here it s an other talk ... | 17:19 |
| kirma | RST38h: I actually think finnish laws have been requiring comparable stuff for years | 17:19 |
| * RST38h suggsets we troll that thread by exchanging cryptic messages in it | 17:19 | |
| Khertan | lol ... | 17:19 |
| Khertan | it could be funny | 17:19 |
| RST38h | No, seriously, let us drive 'em mad | 17:19 |
| mgedmin | replacing a directory (/usr/share/vim) with a symlink is not going to work very well, will it? | 17:20 |
| kirma | renting cables for affordable price between operators and also providing ATM-level services on the same cabling for third parties | 17:20 |
| RST38h | kirma: Depends on which kind of services the cable owners are supposed to be allowing | 17:20 |
| derf | RST38h: You can use arrow keys in insert mode in vim. | 17:20 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: See the thread on -developers :) | 17:20 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: It works unless there's already a package installed | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: and quim saying 'Act decently' isn't cryptic enough? ;p | 17:20 |
| RST38h | kirma: Ah, yea, phone companies in the US have done it for years, but cable is different | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | the hunter is in the pool | 17:21 |
| kirma | to my knowledge, it isn't hugely popular, but it prevents absolute service provider lock-in | 17:21 |
| derf | But that's a ridiculously slow way to navigate. | 17:21 |
| RST38h | derf: I do not want insert mode, just want one mode | 17:21 |
| lardman | has anyone got a photo with a geotag? | 17:21 |
| Khertan | lardman: yep ... one at maemo summit | 17:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:21 |
| lardman | do they get gps location stamps? | 17:21 |
| kirma | I think especially the ATM (or however it was defined) part is not really used on consumer market in any mentionable way | 17:21 |
| lardman | I probably disabled geotagging to avoid paying roaming | 17:21 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Given vim for fremantle is only in extras-devel, anyone who has installed it already will just have to uninstall. But this one'll be ready for promotion to extras-testing | 17:21 |
| RST38h | Sts: The question is, does exchanging cryptic messages qualify as indecency? | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: breaking upgrades is extremely rude, so I wouldn't submit a patch to mud-builder adding optification if it did | 17:22 |
| derf | RST38h: I'm just saying, press i in vim and you've got nano. | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | hey, cool, my upgrade didn't break | 17:22 |
| RST38h | derf: I can get nano without pressing i :) | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: expect patch in email in 5 minutes | 17:22 |
| AchipA | lardman: ? geotagging should not generate traffic... | 17:22 |
| Khertan | lardman: what do you mean by gps location "stamp" | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | and I've got 5 megs free in / | 17:22 |
| RST38h | derf: In about 10% of space too | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | ONLY FIVD MEGS? | 17:22 |
| mgedmin | darn ubifs compression | 17:22 |
| lardman | AchipA: it turns on the gps which requires a connection | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: ta muchly | 17:22 |
| derf | No real vim user would _want_ nano. | 17:22 |
| RST38h | derf: The truly horrible stuff is that you can even do syntax highlighting in nano now | 17:22 |
| Khertan | AchipA: when using agps it use traffics | 17:22 |
| lardman | Khertan: does the exif data contain a lat/long? | 17:23 |
| RST38h | derf: I was very surprised at that | 17:23 |
| Khertan | lardman: ahm ... not sure | 17:23 |
| AchipA | whoopsie... | 17:23 |
| lardman | AchipA: yeah, not good | 17:23 |
| Khertan | lardman: i could not answer now as i ven't anymore the photo on my device | 17:23 |
| RST38h | derf: What do vim users do in vim, such that nano would not satisfy them? | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021419.html contains details. Suggestion is rmdir or mv in *.preinst | 17:23 |
| kirma | RST38h: well, cable networks may be just technically trickier. still, having wires and carrying stuff on them should be separated from each other in my opinion, to enforce infrastructural efficiency | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Syntax highlighting? | 17:23 |
| lardman | Khertan: np, will go outside and test :) | 17:23 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: yea | 17:24 |
| Khertan | lardman: but i ll try to take an other one with n900 when i ll be outdoor | 17:24 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: any chance for commit rights for mud-builder's svn? | 17:24 |
| Khertan | lardman: yep ... i m just at work right now :) | 17:24 |
| RST38h | kirma: Well technically cable should be able to sell channels | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: yup - hang on. | 17:24 |
| kirma | if companies that installed and own the cables operate their businesses in matter that benefits both them and the consumers, the forcibly-rentable feature of the media turns irrelevant | 17:24 |
| RST38h | kirma: Which is kinda similar to selling bandwidth over traditional phone company trunks | 17:24 |
| * mgedmin 's finger is hovering over the enter key | 17:24 | |
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| mgedmin | this is perhaps not the best channel for an editor flame war | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Done | 17:25 |
| Khertan | RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=348430&postcount=67 | 17:26 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: https://garage.maemo.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=63 :-) | 17:26 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: yeah ... as PyGTKEditor rules them all ! | 17:26 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: any known delays for that? since I'm getting 403 Forbidden when I try svn commit | 17:26 |
| Khertan | (except in fremantle) | 17:26 |
| kirma | operator might have exclusivity contract with a county that is really to minimize digging from perspective of the county... but the operator is leveraging the cable monopoly to extend monopoly to other sectors and get extra money by artificial scarity | 17:27 |
| kirma | in my opinion, it makes a lot of sense to prevent that from happening. | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: I guess there might be a delay between changing gforge group permissions and it syncing to svn | 17:28 |
| lardman | Khertan: yep, it looks like it's probably in the exif data | 17:28 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: ferenc would know | 17:28 |
| mgedmin | I'll wait a bit then | 17:28 |
| kirma | the cabling itself *can* be an investment, it just have to be valued according to what's valuable for those that want to transfer data or whatever on it. | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | lardman: great so it s respect standard | 17:28 |
| tbf|afk | lardman: you have mail. | 17:28 |
| * mgedmin wishes garage allowed subversion over ssh | 17:28 | |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Can you add me to mud? | 17:29 |
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| tbf|afk | mgedmin: more important would be git over ssh | 17:29 |
| jeremiah | I suppose I should join. | 17:29 |
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| mgedmin | oh yes | 17:29 |
| Khertan | so now ... a technical gtk/hildon question : A gtksourceview.View subclass gtk.TextView and not hildon.TextView, so when i put a gtksourceview.View in an hildon.PannableArea scrolling and selecting text works at the same times ... should i fork gtksourceview for hildonsourceview (which means installing scratchbox, sdk, ...) | 17:30 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: +1 for git over ssh | 17:30 |
| tbf|afk | Khertan: for theming? | 17:30 |
| tbf|afk | Khertan: could be enough to call gtk_widget_set_name() with proper arguments for theming | 17:31 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 17:31 |
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| mgedmin | for not handling mouse events could be enough to install signal handlers | 17:31 |
| kirma | authorities would probably deny right to build a highway either if the company that would want to build it would allow people drive it only if they're going to disneyland, when it could be used as part of the general-purpose infrastructure. still, public-private deals on US broadband seem to be full of such absurdly sad deals... | 17:31 |
| Khertan | the problem is selecting text and scrolling at the same time | 17:31 |
| tbf|afk | Khertan: oh indeed: the widget seems to add some code | 17:32 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:32 |
| Khertan | the problem :) | 17:32 |
| kirma | </rant> | 17:32 |
| * mgedmin hates passwords | 17:32 | |
| tbf|afk | Khertan: propose a hildon_helper function which attaches those signal handlers to any treeview ;-) | 17:33 |
| tbf|afk | Khertan: maybe it gets accepted | 17:33 |
| Khertan | hildon_helper | 17:33 |
| tbf|afk | *textview | 17:33 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 17:33 |
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| Khertan | i should take a look | 17:33 |
| tbf|afk | Khertan: or hildon_gtk_text_view_* if you prefer | 17:33 |
| tbf|afk | Khertan: but you get the idea | 17:33 |
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| Khertan | hum ... | 17:35 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: garage being slow | 17:35 |
| jeremiah | Indeed | 17:35 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: jeremiah: help with docs (and moving to design at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design) very welcome :) | 17:35 |
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| jeremiah | Jaffa: I am trying to surf svn and it is like molasses | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | surfing molasses? wouldn't have thought you could get a decent wavefront... too sticky. | 17:36 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: A bit of a todo for me already? =] | 17:36 |
| Khertan | tbf|afk: i didn't see any hildon_helper related with textview in pygtk hildon binding :( | 17:36 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Damn you are good at delegating! | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Yeah, or I'll get ya ;-) | 17:36 |
| * Jaffa has been known to promise ice cream to team members if they beat a deadline ;-) | 17:36 | |
| jeremiah | Ice cream! | 17:37 |
| * jeremiah runs to the wiki | 17:37 | |
| * mgedmin suggests 'mud create --debian pkgname --version lenny' instead of 'mud create http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/cal' | 17:38 | |
| jeremiah | Jeez. Mud is pretty sophisticated | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | long urls are hard to remember | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Ideally, mud'd be in extras itself. If only I knew someone who liked packaging perl... | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Khertan: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=348456&postcount=66 | 17:38 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Is there watch file support and uupdate? | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Yeah, p'raps. Thought was also to take Ubuntu URLs too, tho' | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Cheap. Offer money! =) | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: no | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: mud create --ubuntu --version karmic pkgname | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: That'd work ;-) | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/boffins_program_fly_brains/ (does that mean that any opaque hat will do?) | 17:39 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: what does lardman want? | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, a live updating list of contacts | 17:40 |
| lcuk | in his gtk app he wants to show the list of contacts who are online now | 17:40 |
| Khertan | RST38h: yeah funny | 17:40 |
| lcuk | Robot101, like the list here in irc >>> | 17:40 |
| Khertan | RST38h: this amazing feature only available in loaner device ! | 17:41 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: IM contacts specifically, or address book contacts w/ presence? | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Khertan: My cat is still scratching from it | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: Added. | 17:42 |
| lcuk | second i think - but arent they one and the same? | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: depends on what level you look | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | Robot101: Requirement is for any contact who has a current online presence | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Join in: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=348456 | 17:42 |
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| jeremiah | Thanks Jaffa! | 17:42 |
| lcuk | my computer is goin slower than a slow thing atm | 17:42 |
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| * jeremiah checks out from svn | 17:43 | |
| lcuk | im installing qt stuff and trying to do something else | 17:43 |
| * SpeedEvil greases lcuks computer with bacon. | 17:43 | |
| * RST38h moos at pupnik | 17:43 | |
| * mgedmin suggests an electric shock | 17:43 | |
| * jeremiah rubs lard on lcuk's screen | 17:43 | |
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| RST38h | does bacon grease conduct electricity? | 17:43 |
| jeremiah | Depends on how much electricty we're talking about | 17:44 |
| Solarion | I suspect that may depend on how much power you're trying to put through it | 17:44 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, my screen is natively constructed on a layer of bacon fat | 17:44 |
| lcuk | it does not conduct electricity, but merely glows with amazing vibrance and speed | 17:44 |
| pupnik_ | does q3a work for anyone here? complains about missing default.conf | 17:45 |
| pupnik_ | also dosbox seems like a bit of a dog | 17:45 |
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| Robot101 | Jaffa, lcuk: you can do it at two levels - tp-glib has TpContact objects which represent each contact on each IM account, so you can get the contact list "subscribe" channel (ie your contact list for that connection) then get TpContact objects for each of them, see who is online and put them in the list model etc | 17:45 |
| lcuk | how do you then detect new presence | 17:46 |
| lcuk | does it need recursing every frame? | 17:46 |
| lcuk | or does it raise an event | 17:46 |
| Robot101 | you get signals off the TpContact when presence changes | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | pupnik_: you need data files from somewhere (your original quake 3 cd, e.g.) | 17:46 |
| lcuk | sounds like what lardman|gone lardman will need :) | 17:47 |
| lcuk | thanks Robot101 when he returns im sure he will ask, is there a page with a bit more info for him? | 17:47 |
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| pupnik_ | k it belongs to the mapset | 17:48 |
| zerojayN900 | robot101: the msn plugins have been broken for me since firmware 41-10. any ideas? | 17:48 |
| pupnik_ | i get it ty | 17:48 |
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| pupnik_ | tpcontact - interesting :) | 17:48 |
| lcuk | RST38h, which part should i join in with on the gracious device program | 17:48 |
| pupnik_ | i am using maemo5 contacts to monitor freenode PMs atm | 17:49 |
| pupnik_ | works well but you need to msg pupnik and not _pupnik | 17:49 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Telepathy GLib | 17:49 |
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| Robot101 | zerojayN900: they broke the ABI of the accounts dialog plugins, its super-lame | 17:50 |
| Khertan | zerojayN900: works for me | 17:50 |
| pupnik_ | so since the agent doesnt enter any irc channels, it isnt so useful | 17:50 |
| Robot101 | zerojayN900: we have a bug on it in the internal tracker I think | 17:50 |
| Robot101 | probably just needs a rebuild, might've happened already | 17:50 |
| zerojayN900 | ok, cool. | 17:51 |
| lcuk | "internal tracker == a piece of paper in a filing cabinet down in the cellar" ;) :D | 17:51 |
| zerojayN900 | msn's pretty essential for me... heh. | 17:51 |
| zaheerm | Robot101, is there an account dialog for facebook chat anywhere? | 17:51 |
| Khertan | RST38h: successfull !!! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=348473&postcount=71 <--- | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | hm, I cannot merge 'my information' with a vcard containing my phone number | 17:51 |
| lcuk | RST38h, why is the hunter in the pool | 17:52 |
| lcuk | or rather, Khertan | 17:52 |
| zerojayN900 | i sent them my fb chat stuff a while ago. i was told they were working on it. | 17:52 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: nah, it's tagged for the next release | 17:52 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:52 |
| Khertan | lcuk: haha | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | evil evil troll | 17:52 |
| zaheerm | zerojayN900, cool | 17:53 |
| Robot101 | zaheerm: when you install the pidgin plugin, theoretically it will appear and work with the haze accounts plugin | 17:53 |
| Robot101 | however, there's an annoying bug which means if you remove the static list of protocols, the accounts UI crashes | 17:53 |
| Robot101 | so we need a new tp-glib version to fix that | 17:53 |
| Khertan | [16:19] * RST38h suggsets we troll that thread by exchanging cryptic messages in it | 17:53 |
| Robot101 | which we should have out rsn too | 17:53 |
| zaheerm | Robot101, it generates a static list of protocols when? | 17:54 |
| Robot101 | haze comes with a static list in a file, haze.manager | 17:54 |
| zaheerm | ah ok | 17:54 |
| Robot101 | but the telepathy spec says that's just a cache for what the CM actually tells you, and it should be optional | 17:54 |
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| Robot101 | but there's some race in the library and something is null at the wrong time and it crashes | 17:54 |
| zaheerm | ouch | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Ignore the Hogwash guy let us continue | 17:55 |
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| Khertan | ;) | 17:56 |
| Khertan | RST38h: of course ! | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Khertan: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=348476&postcount=72 | 17:56 |
| * mgedmin imagines penguinbait buying a discount device for $449 and getting a customs tax of $100 slapped on top of it | 17:56 | |
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| penguinbait | I am not buying a n900 for 449 on a devloper discount | 17:56 |
| penguinbait | I will wait for a carrier | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | here it'd be 17.5+6%. | 17:57 |
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| Solarion | I do't have a choice. :( | 17:58 |
| Solarion | Is my own fault for sucking, though. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | penguinbait: set up a developer discount tradings market | 17:58 |
| pupnik_ | pupbgrp 001 browserd consuming 27% cpu while no pages being displayed | 17:58 |
| penguinbait | I think some are just surprised at 66% discount on the 810 and a 25% discount on the 900 | 17:59 |
| Solarion | I don't get the point of a browser daemon | 17:59 |
| range | penguinbait: Yeah, but it was around EUR 300,- in both cases ... | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | maybe it's not the percentage but raw monetary value? | 17:59 |
| range | penguinbait: Ummm. 25%? | 17:59 |
| Jaffa | +1 | 17:59 |
| pupnik_ | pupbgrp 002 device wont shut down claiming usb is connected to pc | 17:59 |
| mgedmin | hm, not really | 17:59 |
| penguinbait | no it was not 300euro for the 810 | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: And Nokia official price is $649. Just because you *can* get it cheaper... | 18:00 |
| penguinbait | it was 99 | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | I've seen that! "usb is connected" NO ITS NOT STUPID | 18:00 |
| range | I see 600,- vs 300,- | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait: It was 300eur *off* | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | sudo poweroff worked | 18:00 |
| range | in EUR. | 18:00 |
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| range | And the 810 was around 399,- in stores (in EUR) | 18:00 |
| Jaffa | So ~399 - 300 = 99, 649 - ~300 = 300 | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | so, price += 200 eur; discount += 200 eur | 18:00 |
| penguinbait | like I said, I'll wait for a carrier | 18:01 |
| zaheerm | andre__, whats an SSU update? | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | most "new mail" notifications on my n900 are spam | 18:01 |
| pupnik_ | ty mgedmin | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | zaheerm: it's an OS update you apply from the application manager (the older non-SSU method was: backup, reflash, restore backup) | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | I forgot what the S stands for | 18:01 |
| andre__ | seamless | 18:01 |
| zaheerm | ah ok | 18:01 |
| andre__ | sorry | 18:01 |
| andre__ | i should learn to speak less geeky | 18:02 |
| zaheerm | and does it keep your data intact? | 18:02 |
| andre__ | already trying to avoid "Fremantle" in favor of "maemo5" | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | it does | 18:02 |
| andre__ | if you do a backup before | 18:02 |
| zaheerm | :) | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | freemantle? | 18:02 |
| * SpeedEvil runs from the lava. | 18:02 | |
| mgedmin | it's nice to have /home on a separate partitition | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | reflashing won't delete your files | 18:02 |
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| mgedmin | otoh if you break something very badly in ~/.gconf or something, reflashing won't rescue you | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Especially handy for ~/.ssh :) | 18:03 |
| zaheerm | but contacts, calendar are sytored in /home too? | 18:03 |
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| pupnik_ | very nice layout of filesystem. choice of 230 MB rootfs is puzzling to me though. | 18:03 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: I think gconf keys on maemo 5 are stored in /var/lib/gconf | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik_: NAND | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | hm | 18:03 |
| pupnik_ | speed? power use? | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | pupnik_: It's what you call a "cock up" (well, not intrinsically, but only realising it'd be a problem in September...) | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | jaffa is right | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | pupnik_: both, IIRC. Definitely "speed" | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Makes it easy to grep :) | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | still, I imagine you could bork ~/.profile or something like that | 18:04 |
| pupnik_ | pupbgrp 003 device does not warn of impending filesystem full situations. | 18:04 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: indeed | 18:04 |
| pupnik_ | pupbgrp 004 device does not give user-comprehensible error when filesystem full. | 18:05 |
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| mgedmin | who is pupbgrp? | 18:05 |
| pupnik_ | my key for auto-submitting these bugs to bugs.maemo.org | 18:05 |
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| mgedmin | cool | 18:05 |
| zerojayN900 | robot101: thanks, btw. | 18:08 |
| RurouniJones | Right, I have just had a good meal, topped off by chocolate icecream. Now is the time to try and install the SDK for the first time | 18:09 |
| * RurouniJones prays to the god of computing | 18:09 | |
| RurouniJones | And if anyone suggests that is bill gates I'll shatter their kneecaps :p | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | RMS, clearly. | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | He's got the scraggly beard down. | 18:10 |
| Myrtti | Grace Hopper | 18:10 |
| * SpeedEvil hops. | 18:11 | |
| Myrtti | do not bring RMS into this discussion | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Ada lovelace. | 18:12 |
| Myrtti | would do. | 18:12 |
| jeremiah | He's St. IGNUtius! | 18:12 |
| pupnik_ | pupbgrp 005 camera app UI obscures viewfinder picture (shaded dark) when adjusting exposure, white balance -- change icons to get out of way of viewfinder picture | 18:13 |
| * SpeedEvil wants an original nanosecond. | 18:13 | |
| jeremiah | This is for you Myrtti http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtlin/15936575/ | 18:13 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah: and he knows his martyrdom shit well | 18:14 |
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| Khertan | pupbgrp 006 ... need an hildonsourceview | 18:14 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:14 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah: all the respect I had for him died when heard reports from GCDS | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | aren't you supposed to be dead before you can be made a saint? | 18:15 |
| Myrtti | mgedmin: you said it, not I | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | mgedmin: Yeah. Umm, its not that kind of a church. | 18:16 |
| jeremiah | =] | 18:16 |
| pupnik_ | pupbgrp 006 file manager: feature request - add "share, email, bluetooth" or similar context menu entries to files? (or is this overloading that menu) | 18:16 |
| RurouniJones | Is it just me or woudl Quassel-IRC be a prime candidate of an app to be shoved onto the N900 | 18:17 |
| lcuk | haha jeremiah that guy with the widget question just got a bit of feature creep | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | pupnik_: there already exists such a bug in bmo | 18:17 |
| pupnik_ | pupbgrp 007 picture viewer app: after deleting image, screen pops-up "no image available" then black screen | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | pupnik_: There's a bug open for 006 | 18:18 |
| pupnik_ | nice :) ty mgedmin | 18:18 |
| pupnik_ | have you guys been able to pair wwith n810? | 18:19 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, help ;) | 18:19 |
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| andre__ | VDVsx, yes please? :) | 18:19 |
| VDVsx | andre__, need to report a bug against bluetooth docs, what's the correct keyword ? docs ? | 18:19 |
| andre__ | we have BT docs? :-P | 18:20 |
| andre__ | URL? | 18:20 |
| andre__ | yeah, keywrod is "docs" | 18:20 |
| VDVsx | andre__, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity#Bluetooth_DBUS_UI_dialogs | 18:20 |
| andre__ | hmm. that"s no official BT API docu, "just" the wiki. good question | 18:21 |
| andre__ | but just do | 18:21 |
| Jaffa | pupnik_: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | pupnik_: pair a n810 with a n900? yes | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | not much to do afterwards, though | 18:21 |
| VDVsx | andre__, affects diablo also, lol, it's an artifact that cost me around 2 hours :( | 18:21 |
| Jaffa | andre__: That's not "just" the wiki - as the official Developer Guide home is now http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/ | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | a n810 can browser the n900's files via bluetooth ftp, if the phase of the moon is right | 18:22 |
| pupnik_ | k ill try to figure out how to better document the pairing issue | 18:22 |
| * mgedmin wonders why his fingers insist on adding the r to the verb 'to browse'? | 18:22 | |
| andre__ | Jaffa, oops :) | 18:22 |
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| pupnik_ | hehe | 18:22 |
| andre__ | interesting. looks like i missed some stuff | 18:22 |
| andre__ | too much info.... | 18:22 |
| mgedmin | oh yes | 18:22 |
| Myrtti | hm | 18:23 |
| Myrtti | that page is supposed to have the index file... | 18:23 |
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| Myrtti | I wonder what has happened to it | 18:23 |
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| Jaffa | Myrtti: drop the '/' | 18:23 |
| range | mgedmin: I cannot type compuserve, it always comes out as compuserver (lucky me that they don't exist anymore) :) | 18:23 |
| Myrtti | Jaffa: ah, of course | 18:24 |
| Myrtti | hehe | 18:24 |
| * Jaffa puts in a redirect | 18:24 | |
| mgedmin | at one point when I tried to type 'text' it came out 'test' | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | lots of unit tests at work | 18:24 |
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| Jaffa | Myrtti: That URL should work now | 18:24 |
| Myrtti | you haven't seen me, roight? | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | wow, the dead baby joke mention killed the developer program thread | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | what dead baby joke? | 18:25 |
| penguinbait | you just need one dead baby | 18:25 |
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| mgedmin | what's the procedure for linking talk.maemo.org with my garage account? | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | I think I heard today here on this channel that this was possible | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: http://wiki.maemo.org/Link_talk.maemo.org_account_with_maemo.org_profile | 18:27 |
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| mgedmin | I think step 1 is missing a sub-step: "Create a talk.maemo.org account if you don't already have one", right? | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Perhaps. It was written for tmo users :) | 18:28 |
| mgedmin | ah, the linking is for purposes of karma sharing, not for having the same username + pwd | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, trolling on tmo gets you device rebates :) | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Indeed. Single Sign-On is a while off, as is even Shared Sign-On | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: and then the ability to moan about it. | 18:29 |
| * mgedmin dreams of openid | 18:29 | |
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| mgedmin | hey, who took my username on t.m.o? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | did I register and forget all about it? | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: User id 2332, posts 21 | 18:32 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: With your email address (b4net.lt?) | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | Jaffa: link me one of the posts pls? | 18:33 |
| mgedmin | oh crap I no longer have mgedmin@b4net.lt | 18:33 |
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| mgedmin | still, it's me, so I should have the password stashed somewhere | 18:33 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=2332 | 18:33 |
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| Khertan | bye | 18:38 |
| Khertan | coming back to home | 18:38 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | garage has a field for mugshot.org | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | what's mugshot.org? if I go there I get redirected to www.redhat.com | 18:41 |
| mgedmin | wow, I've got more karma than textrat? | 18:42 |
| AchipA | mgedmin: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/020jun06/features/mugshot/ | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | some overhyped 2006 website that's dead now? | 18:42 |
| AchipA | mgedmin: goal | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | probably some site from the garage software times when sourceforge was cool and hip.. | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | timeless doesn't resemble his profile picture | 18:44 |
| Solarion | mugshot was ok | 18:44 |
| AchipA | mgedmin: texrat posts mostly on talk, you on lists. Talk has a sqrt() on karma, lists are linear. You do the math :) | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | cool | 18:44 |
| AchipA | mgedmin: most people don't, judging from the summit :D | 18:44 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: Could you see if personal-ip-address 0.3-2 (in extras-devel) works in your case now? | 18:45 |
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| mgedmin | fiferboy: works for wlan0, crashes the desktop when I switch to gprs0 | 18:48 |
| fiferboy | Ack! | 18:48 |
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| mgedmin | all custom applets are disabled now, how do I reenable them? | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | without adding them one-by-one | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | preferably | 18:48 |
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| fiferboy | mgedmin: It used to be that a reboot would restore everything | 18:50 |
| mgedmin | shame crash-reporter is not installable | 18:50 |
| fiferboy | I'm not sure with maemo5, but it might still work | 18:50 |
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| mgedmin | I think there's away to restart just hildon-desktop | 18:50 |
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| absolute | maybe a script in /etc/init.d/ | 18:51 |
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| fiferboy | mgedmin: I can reproduce the problem. It happens when changing any connection | 18:51 |
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| fiferboy | /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop restart | 18:51 |
| absolute | yzyz | 18:51 |
| fiferboy | That might work, but it doesn't in scratchbox | 18:51 |
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| mgedmin | I would really appreciate a fix | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo frethop | 18:52 |
| frethop | 'lo | 18:52 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, i once saw some random irc stats for maemo.org | 18:52 |
| lcuk | any chance you could produce a new set ? | 18:52 |
| mgedmin | I never produced an original set | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | give me a script and I'll run it | 18:53 |
| lcuk | hold on then - it was jott | 18:53 |
| lcuk | and his page is 404ing | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | log file format ought to be clear from looking at e.g. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-10-16.log | 18:53 |
| lcuk | google cache | 18:53 |
| lcuk | http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:qWcXKZTTE20J:outpo.st/irc/+%23maemo+irc+stats&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk | 18:53 |
| lcuk | produced by http://pisg.sourceforge.net/ | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: seems like there'll be a "n900 meetup" in moscow | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | I hate those %23 in filenames, but supybot is just unfriendly | 18:54 |
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| fiferboy | Even a reboot doesn't restore the widget placement... | 18:55 |
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| cvandonderen | hi | 18:58 |
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| cvandonderen | how come it is not possible to compile on the N900 itself? I added the SDK repo and installed build-essential | 18:59 |
| cvandonderen | now when I run qmake and then make it gives loads of errors | 18:59 |
| Mek | qmake is an intel binary | 18:59 |
| Mek | unless you compiled qt differently/not in the maemo version... | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: it's the way Maemo is done. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | it uses busybox. | 18:59 |
| cvandonderen | Mek: I'm not stupid ;-) I recompiled Qt with the armel compiler (took ages, but at least it works) | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | which most development tools die with. | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | you will want ot develop in SDK, not on device | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | at next upgrade , your N900 rootfs will be hosed | 19:00 |
| cvandonderen | okay, so then no development for me | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | you don't own a desktop computer? | 19:01 |
| cvandonderen | blegh, I can't wait till the Qt Creator version with Windows Maemo support comes | 19:01 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: oh? | 19:01 |
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| wazd_ | Stskeeps: where? :) | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: moscow, seemingily. information coming | 19:01 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: now that's interesting :) | 19:01 |
| trbs | anybody have experience esbox/pluthon hanging when starting up ? | 19:01 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: I use Windows, my external HDD contains a Linux with the SDK, it's too cumbersome to boot that all the time.... | 19:01 |
| pupnik_ | will qt be dog-slow like it is on a 3ghz pc? | 19:01 |
| GAN900 | 200 seems high. | 19:02 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h brings his n900 to the McDonalds? :D | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: 6 pages of /profile, it isn't that high | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: virtualbox/vmware is my solution | 19:02 |
| absolute | yeah | 19:02 |
| absolute | vmware w/ unity | 19:02 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: tooo slow, for some reason it stays at 100% CPU in VBox | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: hm, weird | 19:03 |
| absolute | i run debian and have vmware around for trailing xp needs | 19:03 |
| * Stskeeps hugs his mer device and goes look for coffee | 19:03 | |
| cvandonderen | (Windows 7 x64...) | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | cvandonderen: lcuk builds C programs on his n900, I'm sure -- he certainly used to do that on a n810 | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | mgedmin: yeah, but qmake is more complicated | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | qt may have its own issues | 19:03 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, building as we speak | 19:04 |
| cvandonderen | yeah, C works, it is mostly that it cannot find stuff like stddef.h | 19:04 |
| lcuk | apt-get install build-essential | 19:04 |
| cvandonderen | since they are not symlinked | 19:04 |
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| cvandonderen | lcuk: did that | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | symlinked where? | 19:04 |
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| cvandonderen | (optified them first) | 19:04 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free | 19:04 |
| lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free | 19:04 |
| wirelessdreamer | anyone know when the sdk is doing to be functional, after getting the binaries repo added to the sdk and running apt-get install nokia-binaries, all the binaries complain they have dependency errors, I've waited a week, and did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and the binaries still are broken | 19:04 |
| lcuk | o_O really | 19:04 |
| lcuk | see if you can get the optified versions back into the sdk | 19:04 |
| lcuk | so that when others (like me) try, it doesnt kill 80mb | 19:05 |
| cvandonderen | stddef.h is in /usr/lib/c++/arm-linux-gnueabi/include or something | 19:05 |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, after build essential, i just add the deps for libliqbase and start coding | 19:05 |
| cvandonderen | and that is not in the include path for cmake | 19:05 |
| lcuk | you are still in scratchbox? | 19:05 |
| lcuk | or on device? | 19:05 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: Windows, not gonna happen, I want to code my Qt code on my Windows, rsync it and then compile the ARM version on device... | 19:06 |
| lcuk | c++ is a little different then | 19:06 |
| lcuk | i do that with c | 19:06 |
| lcuk | i use komodo edit in windows | 19:06 |
| lcuk | scp it back to tablet using winscp | 19:06 |
| lcuk | and build from an ssh window direct | 19:06 |
| lcuk | im running faster than native qt on windows ;) | 19:07 |
| * lcuk has qt creator open as well | 19:07 | |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: ? | 19:07 |
| wazd_ | Indeed, the FN store can't deliver to Russia, but basically the rest of the World is supported | 19:08 |
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| wazd_ | why would I care for the rest of the world :( | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | wohoo! because we're in it | 19:08 |
| lcuk | wazd_, first, the army. now, the postal service! | 19:08 |
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| wazd_ | lcuk: yeah, my mood is completely down | 19:09 |
| lcuk | :( | 19:09 |
| lcuk | i feel for you | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | we'll find a way to get a device to you somehow | 19:09 |
| lcuk | lardman builds rockets.. | 19:09 |
| lcuk | but that might start other frictions | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | and the maemo community accidentially triggers ww3 | 19:10 |
| lcuk | we could get them playing tictactoe first | 19:10 |
| cvandonderen | And does anybody have problems with the WiFi dropping all the time? on my laptop it works and the 3G works, the WiFi just drops every 10 minutes... | 19:10 |
| lcuk | might be your router | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | a laptop doesn't use PSM, your device probably does | 19:11 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: every other device works.... | 19:11 |
| Mek | I have those problems with wifi at university... but it even being able to connect to it is already a big improvement over the n810 :) | 19:11 |
| lcuk | maybe not then lol | 19:11 |
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| ali1234 | "every other device works" is typical of the mess that is wifi | 19:11 |
| cvandonderen | Expensive Belkin unit (I just forced it to Wireless G only, to see if that helps) | 19:11 |
| lcuk | i had these troubles with adhoc to the old dev device. but the new device is much more capable | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: define 'drops' btw | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | does your ssh stop working when you ssh into it or something? :P | 19:12 |
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| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: yes, and my MSN gets disconnected, twitter can't open it's account, email says the account cannot be reached (but the icon for wireless acts like nothing is wrong) | 19:13 |
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| zerojayN900 | reboot. | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: try to disable power saving and see what happens | 19:13 |
| cvandonderen | I can connect over SSH fast | 19:13 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: where? | 19:13 |
| zerojayN900 | yes. put power saving at intermediate. | 19:13 |
| cvandonderen | Where can I find that option? | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: internet connections under advanced under your AP | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | as i remember it | 19:14 |
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| zerojayN900 | yep. | 19:14 |
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| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: my SSH still doesn't do ************** | 19:15 |
| cvandonderen | I can connect fast | 19:16 |
| cvandonderen | but then don't type anything | 19:16 |
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| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: disabling power saving should make some things easier.. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 19:16 |
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| pupnik_ | !extras-devel | 19:17 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: 0.3-3 is building with the crash fixed | 19:17 |
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| cvandonderen | Mek: Stskeeps: lcuk: this is what happens when trying to compile on device: http://pastebin.ca/1623862 | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: btw, - two things: imagine mer on a eink device, and on a 320x480.. how does it look? | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: compiling full qt on device isn't a supported use case though.. it will break due to busybox and other issues | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | do you have libstdc++ installed | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | -dev | 19:20 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: I compiled Qt on scratchbox | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | $450?! | 19:20 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: yup, build-essential | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: btw, you can do a better trick | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | hang on | 19:20 |
| cvandonderen | stdc++6-4.2-dev is included in that | 19:20 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: on e-ink it will look monochrome :D | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | Sheesh, US users kinda get screwed. | 19:20 |
| * mgedmin takes back his t.m.o account, clicks on a random thread link, sees "Page 24 of 103" and runs away screaming | 19:20 | |
| ali1234 | cvandonderen: try specifying an absolute path on -I | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: grab http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_armel.tgz , unpack it, chroot into the directory | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | on device | 19:21 |
| GAN900 | Hooray for %30 off. . . . | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | you should be able to build your tools within it | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | (this goes for lcuk too) | 19:22 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: what tools? full Qt? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | for instance | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | it's the SDK rootstrap | 19:22 |
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| cvandonderen | hmm, you sure it should work? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | no, but it's a valid theory. apt-get should be possible too. | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | you may have to mount --bind /proc and other things but.. | 19:22 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: the lesser powersaving seems to have kicked in.. It keeps working now :-) | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's the same image SDK uses | 19:23 |
| cvandonderen | but will keeping my N900 running at 100% CPU for 18 hours not burn my CPU? | 19:23 |
| * Meiz_webirc has a really satisfied look on his face now | 19:23 | |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: probably. | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: reason why i ask is because there's actually a sane target for Mer on eink out | 19:24 |
| cvandonderen | hmm, no option then :-P | 19:24 |
| AchipA | cvandonderen: should not be a problem, if 3hrs of movies don't hurt, then 18h shouldn't either | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: you don't have to build entire qt, you can apt-get it | 19:24 |
| AchipA | in fact, my N900 gets less hot than my N810, but that might be just the metal backplate :) | 19:25 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: no 4.6 packages yet.... | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | remember that one slide about power saving from maemo summit? "locking the cpu at 600 mhz or 550 mhz will damage the device. please do not fry your cpu." | 19:25 |
| cvandonderen | mgedmin: trhat's the one I'm talking about ;-0 | 19:25 |
| Mek | hopefully the cpufreq stuff will take care of that... | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | I never understood what you'd have to do to "lock the cpu at 600 mhz" | 19:26 |
| AchipA | that's a different issue | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | merely using 100% cpu is not the same as patching the kernel cpu scaling to always run at 600mhz | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | is it echo performance > /proc/cpufreq/whatever or something as simple as while(1); | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | I *hope* the cpu scaling code keeps my n900 safe from frying | 19:26 |
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| * mgedmin wonders if liqbase still has that 'set cpu mode to full performance' button | 19:27 | |
| mgedmin | well, if lcuk fries his n900, I'm sure we'll hear about it | 19:27 |
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| absolute | generally speaking, i never hear too many accounts of frying cpus that aren't overclocked in some manner... | 19:28 |
| cvandonderen | hmm, maybe worth trying then... | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: 14 hours on device? hah. 3 days. | 19:28 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: will everything being apt-get get put in a subfolde rof the rootstrap? | 19:29 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, no way | 19:29 |
| lcuk | liqbase runs too fast on n900 | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | cvandonderen: yeah i guess | 19:29 |
| lcuk | i want powersave :) | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: you should checkout the chroot environment btw | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's FREMANTE_ARMEL target basis | 19:29 |
| lcuk | i spoke to igor at the summit | 19:29 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: vim_7.2-0maemo5 built; on its way to auto-builder queue | 19:30 |
| VDVsx | andre__, thanks ;) | 19:30 |
| lcuk | and he showed me how to achieve this, and if i remember Ill make use of it lol | 19:30 |
| cvandonderen | Mek: any update on the CMake package? | 19:30 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, what will the chroot give me | 19:30 |
| lcuk | or allow me to do | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: full development environment on device | 19:30 |
| Mek | cvandonderen: apparently there is a correct cmake in the sdk | 19:30 |
| lcuk | could i, for instance, supply a complete development chroot as one image.. | 19:30 |
| Mek | cvandonderen: http://maemo.org/packages/view/cmake/ | 19:30 |
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| Mek | cvandonderen: the 2.6.3-2maemo4 should work | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | igor hasn't uploaded his slides, has he? | 19:31 |
| lcuk | ahhh yes, with added dpkg goodness | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | okay, my battery is uncomfortably low; this makes it 10 hours of light use today | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | well, medium use | 19:32 |
| cvandonderen | Mek: okay, nice :-) | 19:32 |
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| RST38h | Insane stuff: http://gizmodo.com/5378390/the-app-store-effect-are-iphone-apps-headed-for-oblivion | 19:33 |
| RST38h | It all sounds almost like the effect that killed Atari 2600 | 19:33 |
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| mgedmin | what's the most obnoxious app on maemo 5? I vote for ovi maps: loooong startup time with the "switch to other app" button disabled | 19:34 |
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| Mek | mgedmin: ctrl-backspace still works for switching apps | 19:35 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Ovi Maps is pretty obnoxious on so many levels | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | mgedmin: "end application" is my favourite choice for that | 19:35 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: You want the list of Ovi Maps bug trackers on bugzilla | 19:35 |
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| RST38h | ? | 19:35 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, welcome :) | 19:35 |
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| mgedmin | cool, if I re-add widgets manually, they remember their previous position | 19:36 |
| andre__ | cool. didn't know about control+backspace to get to the dashboard | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | still waiting for personal-ip-address with the crasher fix to appear in the repo | 19:37 |
| javispedro | the quality of posts in tmo is degrading again... | 19:37 |
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| Jaffa | andre__: Ctrl-Shift-P for screenshot will be useful for you in bugs. | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | andre__: did you know about ctrl+alt+p for taking a screenshot and ctrl+alt+x for launching xterm? | 19:37 |
| javispedro | can't make any sense of the dev program thread :P | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: time to get them in shape with wild rumours | 19:37 |
| AchipA | javispedro: not again -> still, but currently at an increasing rate :) :( | 19:37 |
| fiferboy | mgedmin: I will send you the link once it is in - it will take a while after that to show up when refreshing | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: picture of n1000 running windows mobile, stat | 19:37 |
| woglinde | re | 19:37 |
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| cvandonderen | mgedmin: is there an alt key on the device then/ | 19:38 |
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| crashanddie | My boss asked me to do a presentation about Maemo while I'm in the US Headquarters to our Product Manager | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | hrm | 19:39 |
| javispedro | and to top it off someone grabs two source tarballs of an ongoing mupen64 pandora port (incomplete), rars them and puts the rar file in rapidshare only to say "here, n900 n64 emulator") | 19:39 |
| andre__ | uh | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | one side of me went "Yay", the other side went "Oh shit" | 19:39 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Cool | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | s/alt/shift/ | 19:39 |
| andre__ | control+shift+p? cool | 19:39 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: andre__: did you know about ctrl+shift+p for taking a screenshot and ctrl+alt+x for launching xterm? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, TXTR is 319 euro | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | s/alt/shift/g | 19:39 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: andre__: did you know about ctrl+shift+p for taking a screenshot and ctrl+shift+x for launching xterm? | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | i would pay that for a hackable eink device | 19:40 |
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| mgedmin | cool, infobot implements substitution flags | 19:40 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: maybe not so cool | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | cvandonderen: no alt key | 19:40 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: I've got my comunity one I gave at onedotzero you could use as a starting point | 19:40 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: quote "the purpose is mainly to understand what initiatives you are working on to identify if it can be interesting for the company" | 19:41 |
| batsheep | what company? | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | mine | 19:42 |
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| javispedro | management... | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Blurb from maemo.nokia.com and maemo.org/intro/ to the rescue? | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: it's not that | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | And 2 minutes using the video for the N900? ;-) | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I don't want my day job to start poking into my hobbies | 19:42 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: True | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: I've done tons of presentations, I've taught classes about OS, I train customers on our products. I'm definitely not afraid to be in front of an audience, especially an audience that's asking ME to do stuff | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | I just don't want them to ASK | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 19:44 |
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| cvandonderen | when will the first official image appear to reflash the device? | 19:45 |
| andre__ | when it's ready :) | 19:46 |
| andre__ | nokia never announces this beforehand | 19:46 |
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| cvandonderen | hmmm | 19:46 |
| * javispedro is now founder of Javispedro Stupid Devices, Inc. just to be able to pass the forum nokia reg page | 19:47 | |
| absolute | hah | 19:48 |
| AchipA | how many fingers does it take to press ctrl-shift-x ? :D | 19:49 |
| javispedro | thirteen. | 19:49 |
| Arkenklo | 2^-4 | 19:49 |
| AchipA | using your foot is cheating ! | 19:49 |
| javispedro | doesn't it do sticky ctrl ? | 19:49 |
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| AchipA | nope, for me it doesn't... | 19:49 |
| javispedro | baah then | 19:49 |
| wazd_ | am I the only that typed "Unemployed"? :D | 19:50 |
| AchipA | it works only if I press the three buttons simultaneously, no sticky shift, no sticky ctrl | 19:50 |
| woglinde | wazd I think lcuk too | 19:50 |
| Arkenklo | it takes one serial converter, one broken calculator and three hours of putting them together | 19:50 |
| absolute | with no ALT, is there a replacement for Ctrl-Alt-F# for accessing tty prompts outside of X? | 19:51 |
| Arkenklo | and a whole lot of superglue | 19:51 |
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| woglinde | hm but wait lcuk already have one | 19:51 |
| javispedro | wazd: actually, i can't put there my current employeer | 19:51 |
| Jaffa | absolute: There are no tty prompts outside of X. This isn't an x86 machine | 19:51 |
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| Arkenklo | absolute: dude, it's a cellphone | 19:51 |
| woglinde | if I remember correctly | 19:51 |
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| lcuk | no woglinde | 19:51 |
| javispedro | since that page is for registering the company itself. | 19:51 |
| absolute | no harm, just askin :) | 19:51 |
| lcuk | but i just got off the phone to a potential employer :) | 19:52 |
| woglinde | hm I should try if qemu still crashes java | 19:52 |
| javispedro | lcuk: congrats. looking good? | 19:52 |
| woglinde | lcuk that would be good news | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: congrats | 19:52 |
| * Stskeeps hopes lcuk gets a job | 19:53 | |
| lcuk | indeed it would :) hold on guys this is only a first interview lol | 19:53 |
| aSIMULAter | evening | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | and theres many more to come no doubt | 19:53 |
| Jaffa | lo aSIMULAter | 19:53 |
| javispedro | hiyo asim | 19:53 |
| * lcuk thinks he had more than one at the summit | 19:53 | |
| GAN900 | Hey yo | 19:54 |
| * aSIMULAter wonders what rom to play | 19:54 | |
| GAN900 | Kirby! | 19:54 |
| absolute | Super Pang! | 19:54 |
| * javispedro is sick today, only got out of bed to read dev program news :( | 19:55 | |
| aSIMULAter | hi absolute | 19:55 |
| absolute | heya | 19:55 |
| woglinde | lcuk cool | 19:55 |
| woglinde | javis yes I want summer back | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: on the other hand, I just got promoted today :) | 19:55 |
| Arkenklo | is a shared positive voltage needed for serial conversation? | 19:55 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: note my priorities: worried about Maemo, money later | 19:55 |
| aSIMULAter | yeah congrats lcuk | 19:55 |
| woglinde | hm I need a job half year australia and half year home | 19:55 |
| Solarion | I'm gonna make me a pizza for lunch | 19:55 |
| woglinde | that would be fine | 19:56 |
| Arkenklo | on a ttl, isn't just tx/rx required? | 19:56 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: nice | 19:56 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Heh, cool | 19:56 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Based nearby? | 19:56 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, i'm out, bb | 19:58 |
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| VDVsx | hey aSIMULAter ;) | 20:02 |
| aSIMULAter | o hai mr valer | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 20:02 |
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| eichi | does the n900 has got a slot for 1 or 2 sim cards? | 20:02 |
| aSIMULAter | i haven't met anyone else who has that family name u know :P | 20:02 |
| aSIMULAter | are you spanish? | 20:02 |
| microlith | eichi: only one | 20:03 |
| eichi | microlith, thats a mess ^^ | 20:03 |
| VDVsx | aSIMULAter, nop, Portuguese | 20:03 |
| zaheerm | i don't know of a nokia that has more than one sim card slot | 20:04 |
| eichi | one for umts and one for telephone would be nice | 20:04 |
| aSIMULAter | oh interesting | 20:05 |
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| fiferboy | Hi lbt | 20:07 |
| lbt | hi fiferboy | 20:07 |
| lbt | I'm getting Qt/Shopper on the n900 this weekend | 20:07 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Antonio has a Qt sprint coming up | 20:07 |
| lbt | 'k | 20:08 |
| EspadaV8 | Qt/Shopper? | 20:08 |
| lbt | would be good to get my dev env sorted then | 20:08 |
| lbt | EspadaV8: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/shopper/ | 20:08 |
| fiferboy | lbt: The current Qt libs available for the device are... not so good. | 20:08 |
| EspadaV8 | ahhh yes | 20:08 |
| lbt | fiferboy: yeah - I am a bit uncertain about how Qt is being handled | 20:08 |
| EspadaV8 | i remember seeing that ages ago | 20:09 |
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| lbt | it kinda blows hot+cold | 20:09 |
| RST38h | moo, vdvsx, asimulator | 20:09 |
| fiferboy | Hopefully the sprint will get things in shape | 20:09 |
| EspadaV8 | what's up with the libs fiferboy? | 20:09 |
| lbt | *nod* but the direction seems unclear too | 20:09 |
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| fiferboy | EspadaV8: They aren't using finger scrolling, or the latest finger interfaces yet | 20:09 |
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| lbt | I didn't get the chance to ask but I feel that maemo-qt is a dead-end | 20:10 |
| EspadaV8 | they aren't? it was working for me | 20:10 |
| EspadaV8 | or do you mean the scrollbars aren't finger friendly? | 20:10 |
| lbt | EspadaV8: onthe N900 ? | 20:10 |
| EspadaV8 | lbt: mhmm | 20:10 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Well, Antonio said in his email that the community libs would be going forward, as 4.6 is not ready yet | 20:10 |
| EspadaV8 | compiled my app for it and everything worked really well, i was surprised tbh | 20:10 |
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| fiferboy | It seems like they were hoping to use the official 4.6 libs, but it will be too long until they are ready | 20:11 |
| EspadaV8 | expected to have to change a load of stuff | 20:11 |
| lbt | OK - lets see then :) | 20:11 |
| fiferboy | EspadaV8: What version are you using? | 20:11 |
| EspadaV8 | fiferboy: whatever was with the sdk | 20:11 |
| EspadaV8 | 4.5.x | 20:11 |
| fiferboy | I have tried the libs available in the repo, built from git, built from 4.6 tech preview, and none of it was quite complete | 20:12 |
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| fiferboy | EspadaV8: Everything works, but is all stylus-sized? | 20:12 |
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| EspadaV8 | fiferboy: the whole pane became scrollable, so you didn't have a scrollbar | 20:13 |
| EspadaV8 | just tap, hold and drag | 20:13 |
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| EspadaV8 | even had kinetic scrolling | 20:13 |
| fiferboy | EspadaV8: That is for a certain type of widget (and thanks to lbt :) | 20:13 |
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| Khertan_ | re | 20:14 |
| fiferboy | EspadaV8: Are dialogs shown in the hildon style? Buttons to the side with no cancel/close? | 20:14 |
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| fiferboy | I think kinetic scrolling is turned off for table widgets and some others by default | 20:14 |
| EspadaV8 | fiferboy: i've only got the one popup, and i'd added a cancel button so it did show | 20:15 |
| EspadaV8 | http://blogs.palringo.com/andrew/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/02-n900-signin.png | 20:15 |
| Khertan_ | i ve finally crash my n900 with a sudden reboot | 20:15 |
| Mek | in the office viewer we actually had to turn kinetic scrolling off even though it worked by default, becuase the implementation in qt 4.5 for maemo at the time was incredibely buggy... | 20:15 |
| Khertan_ | 50 pygtkrunning and 15 webpage | 20:16 |
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| fiferboy | EspadaV8: Yeah, that is the stylus interface. Antonio has done lots of work since then getting it finger friendly and hildon-like | 20:16 |
| Khertan_ | while listening the last rammstein album and updating apps :) | 20:16 |
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| lbt | Mek: that's good to hear | 20:18 |
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| EspadaV8 | fiferboy: got a screenshot of how it's different? | 20:18 |
| lbt | did the pass-thru of events work? | 20:18 |
| lbt | to allow drag-higlight | 20:18 |
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| lbt | and drag'n'drop ? | 20:18 |
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| Mek | lbt: more or less... but there were some problems with that as well I think; but the main problem was the the kinetic scrolling itself just often got stuck bouncing back and forward... | 20:19 |
| fiferboy | EspadaV8: I do not. I haven't been able to get the version that Antonio was showing a thte Summit to work | 20:19 |
| EspadaV8 | Mek: ah yes, i did find that error | 20:19 |
| Khertan_ | hum i m trying to block drag select in a gtksourceview2 which subclass gtk.textview | 20:19 |
| fiferboy | Mek: That has been fixed since then ;) | 20:19 |
| lbt | Mek: fiferboy fixed that iirc | 20:19 |
| EspadaV8 | fiferboy: ah, shame, wouldlike to see what's changed/changing | 20:19 |
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| Khertan_ | someone have an idea how to do it in python ? | 20:19 |
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| fiferboy | EspadaV8: You can look at the gitorious page to see the commits that have been occurring | 20:20 |
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| Khertan_ | why? to be able to use it in a hildon.pannablearea | 20:20 |
| fiferboy | I was going to leave in the infinite oscillation, as it looked pretty cool ;) | 20:20 |
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| EspadaV8 | sorry, meant changes in a visual way | 20:20 |
| * Khertan_ is spamming with is question every hour | 20:21 | |
| fiferboy | EspadaV8: Ah. Look at any other app in hildon, and that is how Qt should look (in theory) | 20:21 |
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| EspadaV8 | fiferboy: add it as an application setting QApplication::infiniteBounce( bool ); | 20:21 |
| EspadaV8 | ;-) | 20:21 |
| fiferboy | :) | 20:21 |
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| Khertan_ | :) | 20:22 |
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| Khertan_ | pyqt isn t available yet for fremantle right ? | 20:23 |
| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: thanks for the scratchbox hint, seems to work :-) | 20:24 |
| * GAN900 wonders if the XChat netcode can be made a little more aware of conic events. | 20:27 | |
| cvandonderen | eh, Fremantle extras reports that the signature has changed. is this correct? | 20:27 |
| Khertan_ | ~ping | 20:27 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:27 |
| lbt | Khertan_: sounds like no-one here is a gtk-head :) | 20:27 |
| penguinbait | ~ding | 20:28 |
| infobot | dong | 20:28 |
| lbt | pyqt is being 'replaced' by pyside | 20:28 |
| lbt | slowly | 20:28 |
| Khertan_ | GAN900 use webchat.freenode.net :) | 20:28 |
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| Khertan_ | lbt: next time when i ll go to a maemo summit i ll catch the hildon developper head | 20:29 |
| Khertan_ | after there presentation i ll not been able to meet them ... | 20:29 |
| Khertan_ | s/there/their | 20:29 |
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| cvandonderen | Stskeeps: ow, too early, does not seem t work... | 20:30 |
| lbt | do we have any python/django people in here? | 20:30 |
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| * Teijo is python people | 20:30 | |
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| lbt | I have some mer/maemo website work I'd like them to look at | 20:31 |
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| * Khertan_ is a python user but never use django | 20:31 | |
| fiferboy | Okay, time to try to get personal-gprs-mon into extras. | 20:31 |
| fiferboy | If anyone uses this app (and upgrades to the latest version) the package page is here: | 20:31 |
| Khertan_ | fiferboy what is it ? | 20:31 |
| fiferboy | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/personal-gprs-mon/0.5-2 | 20:31 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: Monitors your dataplan usage on the desktop | 20:32 |
| Khertan_ | ah a gprs data monitor | 20:32 |
| Khertan_ | oki | 20:32 |
| lbt | so msg me if you're interested in a little community website project | 20:32 |
| Teijo | is it true that n810 does not support xrandr out of the box? | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | It used to be a grps monitor, but no one uses that kind of data ;) | 20:32 |
| fiferboy | (bad typo in the original release) | 20:32 |
| Khertan_ | so i ve a concurrent now which do widget | 20:32 |
| lbt | should be a high visibility proj and not *too* demanding | 20:32 |
| lbt | zerojay: ping | 20:33 |
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| Khertan_ | lbt: sorry i didnt have enough time | 20:33 |
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| lbt | Khertan_: np... looking for volunteers who do :) | 20:33 |
| pupnik | meh | 20:33 |
| Khertan_ | lbt: if it s a teleporter project i ll be intereated else maybe if it s day extender tool which enable you to got 48hours in 24hours | 20:34 |
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| pupnik | pupbgrt 008 xchat: setting input text box to equal chat text caused segfault | 20:35 |
| lcuk | Khertan, just behind the SIM slot behind the battery on the n900 is a space for a flux capacity | 20:35 |
| lcuk | insert one into there, set your alarm clock back 12 hours and party! | 20:35 |
| * absolute hands Khertan_ a time dilation device | 20:35 | |
| lcuk | capacitor even | 20:35 |
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| pupnik | can we do ustream with camera? | 20:35 |
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| lbt | VDVsx: Ping | 20:35 |
| lcuk | ffs | 20:35 |
| Khertan_ | +w | 20:36 |
| Khertan_ | lcuk: is it connected to liqflo ? | 20:36 |
| EspadaV8_L | :( | 20:36 |
| * EspadaV8_L needs a 12 core system | 20:36 | |
| Khertan_ | ~ping | 20:36 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:36 |
| Khertan_ | i still make many mistake with this small n900 keyboard | 20:36 |
| lcuk | Khertan, theres an idea | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | firmly grab device by the left and right edges, and pull! | 20:37 |
| lcuk | it will stretch to be 32 inches wide, unfortunately it will only be 2mm thick | 20:37 |
| EspadaV8_L | hahaha, my app crashes on the line QApplication( argc, argv ); | 20:38 |
| EspadaV8_L | :( | 20:38 |
| RST38h | pupnik: we can, if it gets open | 20:38 |
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| * EspadaV8_L waits for the 4.6b1 to finish compiling :( | 20:39 | |
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| pupnik | pupbgrt 009 browser: weba_ti_textlist_multi and weba_ti_textlist_single and button wdgt_bd_done missing engl translation | 20:42 |
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| fiferboy | EspadaV8_L: I could be wrong, but I think the beta doesn't have any maemo-specific code in it | 20:44 |
| fiferboy | The tech preview does, though | 20:44 |
| EspadaV8_L | fiferboy: alas i don't have the n900 any more | 20:45 |
| EspadaV8_L | so i'm just developing on the desktop | 20:45 |
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| fiferboy | Ah. Gotcha | 20:45 |
| EspadaV8_L | and gentoo likes to take its time | 20:46 |
| AndrewFBlack | wow there is some drama going on at t.m.o | 20:46 |
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| VDVsx | lbt, pong | 20:47 |
| pupnik | do we have a bugreport helper to submit relevant app/device status | 20:47 |
| RST38h | ? | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | AFB: What *again*? | 20:50 |
| pupnik | n810 is shocked and offended at being put to use playing mp3s on stereo | 20:50 |
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| * RST38h facepalms reading people discussing Maemo5 at nokia_ru | 20:52 | |
| zerojayN900 | lol | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Claiming 30000+ packages for Maemo. Saying that "every Linux program will run on Maemo". Saying that "Maemo apps will run on Android". | 20:53 |
| absolute | oh my | 20:53 |
| RST38h | "Maemo5 is Qt4!" | 20:54 |
| range | I need an N900 for running oracle on it. | 20:54 |
| range | Oh. No java. | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Cthulhu, please, kill all these people *first*. | 20:54 |
| RST38h | range: You cannot install Oracle on N900 because Oracle installer is in Java | 20:54 |
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| ifreq | but its linux.. ofcourse u can run every app like on your ubuntu. *sarcasm* | 20:55 |
| RST38h | range: So, search for an older version =) | 20:55 |
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| range | Yeah. | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | range: For when you're out boating in your coracle? | 20:56 |
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| range | Made me look that up := | 20:58 |
| range | ) | 20:58 |
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| mrJiggles | what carrier has the n810? | 21:07 |
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| mrJiggles | ...in the USA. | 21:08 |
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| * mrJiggles wants to try it before buying | 21:08 | |
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| lardman | hmm, cool seemless (nearly) transitions from BT headphones to FM radio to built-in speakers | 21:11 |
| * lardman just needs one of those room-by-room stereo systems so his music can follow him | 21:12 | |
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| lardman | (overriding that of his wife naturally ;) | 21:13 |
| lbt | jeremiah: hey | 21:13 |
| Solarion | mrJiggles: n810 isn't a phone | 21:13 |
| lardman | hmm, anyone happen to have some example e_book_query_from_string() code? | 21:14 |
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| lardman | hey JamieBennett | 21:14 |
| GAN900 | Khertan_ ew | 21:14 |
| JamieBennett | hey | 21:14 |
| GAN900 | Oh, Khertan_, how'd you get the key remapping working? | 21:14 |
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| mrJiggles | how would one go about programming on his/her maemo based cell phone, something like the n810/n97/n900 | 21:19 |
| lcuk | 2/3 of those options are not maemo based cell phones | 21:20 |
| lcuk | 1/2 of those options is not maemo based | 21:20 |
| lcuk | 1/3* | 21:20 |
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| lardman | JamieBennett: still on the £7/pint? | 21:21 |
| lcuk | yikes | 21:21 |
| JamieBennett | lardman: no, found a supermarket around the corner from the hotel so I'm being a trap. Supermarket beer, find a free wifi spot and a bench, start hacking | 21:22 |
| JamieBennett | tramp | 21:22 |
| Solarion | mrJiggles: maemo.org has developer documentation for maemo-based devices | 21:22 |
| JamieBennett | but hey, I'm poor so I have to :) | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | lardman: I like 7 Euro pints? | 21:23 |
| fiferboy | That wasn't supposed to be a question? | 21:23 |
| JamieBennett | 7 euro = 7 pounds :( | 21:23 |
| lardman | for us, yeah :( | 21:23 |
| lardman | bad news | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | 7 CAD = 7 USD :) | 21:24 |
| lardman | :p ;) | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | JamieBennett, brown bag too? | 21:24 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: not quite at that stage yet :) | 21:25 |
| mrJiggles | kthxbye | 21:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does anyone know of a nice program that takes a video4linux device, and outputs EAN/... barcodes on text? | 21:26 |
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| keesj | SpeedEvil: ask lardman | 21:27 |
| lardman | quoi? | 21:30 |
| lardman | oh | 21:30 |
| lardman | well I dunno about nice | 21:30 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: for the Tescos stuff? | 21:30 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:31 |
| keesj | nice like stuff you make yourself :p | 21:31 |
| lardman | well it doesn't really output text, or shouldn't | 21:31 |
| lardman | but then gcobb was suggesting I break it up into parts, so perhaps this is the first customer ;) | 21:32 |
| lardman | in fact the decoder bit is pretty simple, and eventually I hope to move to nothing more than a simple wrapper for zbar | 21:33 |
| lardman | but when I started the 1D decoding wasn't great if you wanted QR codes too; datamatrix is a separate lib | 21:34 |
| lardman | anyway, that's ot | 21:34 |
| igagis | Hi | 21:35 |
| igagis | is anyone able to do apt-get update in scratchbox when fremantle extras-devel are in apt/sources.list? | 21:35 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: anyway, I plan to separate the barcode stuff into some layers: decoding a buffer; simple gui to take images; webscraping/lookups | 21:37 |
| lardman | ontop of which people can put their apps | 21:37 |
| lardman | if that sounds of use | 21:37 |
| lardman | ? | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: initially for just doing my cupboard inventory. | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | (not on a n900) | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | (unless...) | 21:38 |
| lardman | np, works on N8X0 too | 21:38 |
| lardman | try grabbing mbarcode and trying | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | alas - no 8x0 | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ok | 21:39 |
| lardman | I want to use it for book/DVD inventory, so perhaps you could add some db patches, etc | 21:39 |
| lardman | ah, what device then? | 21:39 |
| lardman | or none? | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | currently just laptop | 21:39 |
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| lardman | well you're welcome to modify the maemo-barcode source | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering if there was somethign you were basing your code off that did that | 21:40 |
| lardman | do you want a ui? | 21:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 21:40 |
| lardman | it will probably run on a laptop anyway, just alter the hildon_window to gtk_window and check the camera caps | 21:40 |
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| * RST38h solved the CPU load problem | 21:41 | |
| lardman | if you only want 1D then I suggest you grab batoo.c from the project and write a command line wrapper for it | 21:41 |
| RST38h | It was pretty easy at the end | 21:41 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: thanks! | 21:42 |
| lardman | np | 21:42 |
| lardman | that code works well | 21:42 |
| * SpeedEvil isn't feeling up to beating on google and fighting past the windows stuff. | 21:42 | |
| * SpeedEvil has been turning compost. | 21:42 | |
| lardman | zbar 0.9 is also supposed to be pretty good, and handles more types of 1D code (e.g. EAN8) | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun. | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 21:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think I have much EAn8 | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | some spices | 21:43 |
| lardman | cigs, chewing gum | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly the latter | 21:43 |
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| lardman | SpeedEvil: I'd be interesting in using your Tescos stuff for mBarcode eventually | 21:44 |
| lardman | need to sort out some fundamentals first, like camera focus and Amazon "scraping£ | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: there is no info on the barcode | 21:45 |
| lardman | oh, I thought you did a lookup from barcode to price/product from your webscrape? | 21:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | no. There is no barcode data on the public site. I'd just be doing it privately for the couple of dozen lines here. | 21:46 |
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| lardman | ok, np | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/output.12092009 - the basic table of data | 21:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.tesco.com/superstore/xpi/5/xpi63703795.htm | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | a product page - that I haven't yet scraped down to that level | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | unfortunately - the xpi6... does not seem related to the barcode | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | which I'd hoped it did. | 21:48 |
| lardman | actually, rather than that code, there's a nearly complete app y9ou could use | 21:49 |
| lardman | hang on a tick | 21:49 |
| lardman | same Garage project, let me find the url | 21:49 |
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| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=maemo-barcode | 21:50 |
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| lardman | maemo-barcode.c should be pretty much just a 1D scanner using batoo | 21:50 |
| lardman | should be pretty easy to modify back to plain GTK+ from Hildon | 21:50 |
| lardman | only 1 or 2 lines I imagine | 21:50 |
| lardman | and it has the GStreamer stuff too, reading from v4l2 src | 21:51 |
| lardman | this directory 'twas the test cases | 21:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Thanks! | 21:55 |
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| lbt | syncML on the N900 ? | 22:06 |
| lbt | anyone know anything? | 22:06 |
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| GAN900 | Anybody having weird scrolling issues in MicroB? | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: What kind of scrolling issue? | 22:09 |
| penguinbait | God me and Jaffa are thanking each other, I am agreeing with GA, what has this place become? | 22:09 |
| GAN900 | I'm getting some random part of the page scrolling in whenever I scroll down | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: On every page? | 22:10 |
| GAN900 | Which pops back down as soon as I stop scrolling. | 22:10 |
| GAN900 | On some pages. | 22:10 |
| * frals thinks its time for "Did Your N900 Ship Today" to move to Off Topic-land | 22:10 | |
| GAN900 | and I can sometimes get it to stop for a bit by zooming or scrolling in other directions. | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | facebook has that wierd bar at the bottom and pop-in windows that act funny when scrolling | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, lots of weird things seem to happen to MicroB when js is involved. | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | fiferboy, been happening on Talk. | 22:12 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: I was going to say it is probably js related. | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | I'll get a section of the page from higher up the page scrolling in. | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | Like it took a cutout and stuck it down below. | 22:12 |
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| GAN900 | Ah | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | It is Js | 22:13 |
| wirelessdreamer | anyone with a n900 in hand verify if usb host works or not? | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | It happens when I Thank a post with no Thanks and it adds a bunch of lines to the page. | 22:14 |
| GAN900 | It messes up the whole page flow. | 22:14 |
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| GAN900 | So MicroB needs to be better anout reflowing when js adds stuff. | 22:14 |
| fiferboy | GAN900: Ah. I was going to say it wasn't happening for me. | 22:14 |
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| keesj | wirelessdreamer: not yet looked as the source code | 22:15 |
| woglinde | re | 22:15 |
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| * GAN900 hits zerojay with the idiotic PC pronoun stick. | 22:15 | |
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| GAN900 | timeless, ping? | 22:18 |
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| keesj | Yea! | 22:22 |
| AndrewFBlack | GAN900, is that problem on regular Talk theme or minimalist? | 22:22 |
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| lardman | mmmmmmm | 22:25 |
| lardman | bacon | 22:25 |
| lardman | :) | 22:25 |
| GAN900 | AndrewFBlack, regular. | 22:26 |
| AndrewFBlack | GAN900, K, I know my minimalist theme has some bugs with thanks maybe one day I will be able to fix them | 22:27 |
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| GAN900 | MicroB bug anyway. | 22:29 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi again ... | 22:30 |
| Khertan_ | Just a question, where is the place to vote for a application package | 22:30 |
| Khertan_ | it s here : http://maemo.org/packages/ | 22:31 |
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| Khertan_ | isn't it ? | 22:31 |
| Khertan_ | as i can't vote for anything in it. For example : http://maemo.org/packages/view/attitude/ i cannot vote | 22:31 |
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| Khertan_ | is it normal ? | 22:31 |
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| Khertan_ | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ <<< doesn't show the homeip icon ... but package manager in n900 show it ... | 22:32 |
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| RST38h | Not normal but may be cause by some irregularity in control file | 22:32 |
| lcuk | holy crap, claesbas did a dark maemo.org intro http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32935 | 22:33 |
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| ali1234 | does the welcome video use the same format as recorded by the camera? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | this is supposed to replaced the connecting-people thing? | 22:34 |
| Khertan_ | RST38h: i suppose the icon not in png format | 22:34 |
| Khertan_ | i use jpg | 22:34 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it can replace or enchance. the startup vid app allows a list | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | cooooooooool | 22:35 |
| fiferboy | Khertan: It uses the icon field in the control file | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Khertan that will break things | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Why not use png? | 22:35 |
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| cvandonderen | Hmm, okay, my scratchbox-on-device is working, but now I get the error: bash: su: command not found when I want to switch user within the scratchbox | 22:36 |
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| GAN900 | Anybody else getting constant network errors with AIM and Haze? | 22:37 |
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| RST38h | Yes, but with ICQ | 22:37 |
| cvandonderen | GAN900: Haze | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Using mobile connection? | 22:37 |
| Khertan_ | RST38h: because integrated image application doesn't want to save image in png | 22:37 |
| RST38h | Khertan, for Tentacled's sake, don't you have a desktop PC? =) | 22:37 |
| Khertan_ | the n900 picture application save application in jpg only | 22:38 |
| Khertan_ | RST38h: héhé i'm an onboard developpers | 22:38 |
| zerojayN900 | gan900: sign out and sign in again or reboot. | 22:38 |
| lcuk | Khertan, the imaging guy suggested that there was RAW data somewhere lurking under the surface | 22:38 |
| Khertan_ | RST38h: as it work in application manager ... it s a possibility | 22:39 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Then install image conversion tools | 22:39 |
| Khertan_ | RST38h: yep ... but before i need to fix problem i ve right now ... | 22:39 |
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| Khertan_ | tmpfs full | 22:39 |
| Khertan_ | df -h say it s 1Ko sized only | 22:39 |
| Khertan_ | seems i ve a problem | 22:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: raw is possible but only if they change gstreamer pipeline a little bit | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 22:41 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: since you develop on-device: is there a subversion client for the N900? | 22:41 |
| GAN900 | Weird bug. | 22:41 |
| lcuk | svn is in maemo repositories i think | 22:41 |
| lcuk | i havent used it in ages tho | 22:41 |
| lcuk | i use git | 22:42 |
| lcuk | which is | 22:42 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: it says that the packages were referenced but don't exist anymore | 22:42 |
| cvandonderen | blegh, not all of KDE is Git yet (as is my own server) | 22:42 |
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| cvandonderen | lcuk: git is also not in the repo... | 22:43 |
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| zerojayN900 | maybe we should rename talk to moron.maemo.org. | 22:43 |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, diablo extras | 22:43 |
| lcuk | git-core | 22:43 |
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| cvandonderen | lcuk: fremantle :-S | 22:44 |
| lcuk | and? | 22:44 |
| lcuk | just add the repo | 22:44 |
| lcuk | use it | 22:44 |
| lcuk | remove repo | 22:44 |
| cvandonderen | does that work? | 22:44 |
| johnsq | cvandonderen: just test it | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | cvandonderen, ive done it every time ive reflashed now | 22:45 |
| cvandonderen | lcuk: I cannot reflash.... | 22:45 |
| lcuk | i mean i install it the same way every time i reflash it | 22:45 |
| lcuk | not that you have to reflash before installing it | 22:45 |
| tripzero | what app does maemo5 use for timer/alarms? | 22:45 |
| cvandonderen | yeah, but if something breaks I can't fix it | 22:45 |
| lcuk | its git | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | pull the debs and install manually if you need to | 22:46 |
| absolute | dunno, but if you need to schedule stuff i'm sure you could use crontab | 22:46 |
| ali1234 | cvandonderen: you could do the same what you've done, but on a nfs share. and then run a nice dev environment on the pc | 22:47 |
| lcuk | cvandonderen, "subversion (v. 1.4.6-maemo1)" is also around | 22:47 |
| cvandonderen | ali1234: NFS is not possible from Windows | 22:47 |
| cvandonderen | (at least it is crappy) | 22:48 |
| ali1234 | well, if you insist on using legacy OS... | 22:48 |
| microlith | heh | 22:48 |
| cvandonderen | ali1234: don't even start | 22:48 |
| lcuk | ali1234, has anyone ported winxp to linux yet? | 22:49 |
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| absolute | haha | 22:49 |
| lcuk | (i mean the window manager part only) | 22:49 |
| absolute | oh | 22:49 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:49 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: i run it in a VM, with all the security crap removed, and networking disabled. it's a lot faster than running it native with all AV stuff installed | 22:49 |
| lcuk | aww your poor windows box much be lonely | 22:50 |
| microlith | y'know, cause it might explode | 22:50 |
| lcuk | which os have you got trapped inside a cage ? | 22:50 |
| cvandonderen | Windows 7 is pretty cool and for KDE Windows development I need Windows ;-) | 22:50 |
| ali1234 | it's not lonely, it's lobotomized | 22:50 |
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| absolute | for its own safety | 22:51 |
| tripzero | noone know what the app is called were you create alarms in maemo? | 22:51 |
| lcuk | yeah what do you do with it tho | 22:51 |
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| ali1234 | i run adobe software :) | 22:51 |
| lcuk | tripzero, "alarm" | 22:51 |
| tripzero | kk, thx | 22:51 |
| lcuk | tripzero, do you mean gui app | 22:51 |
| lcuk | or console | 22:51 |
| tripzero | yes, gui | 22:51 |
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| Khertan_ | bye | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | tripzero, think its actually called worldclock then | 22:53 |
| tripzero | ok, i'll look | 22:54 |
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| cvandonderen | What is that Couldn't access keyring error I get sometimes with fremantle extras-devel? | 22:57 |
| tripzero | lcuk: is the src for worldclock not available? I can't find it at garage.maemo.org | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | tripzero, i dunno. i know not all source is in the garage, but i honestly dont know which packages are open or closed | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps started a list off somewhere | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i think | 22:59 |
| fiferboy | tripzero: It was closed in diablo, it is probably still closed | 22:59 |
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| tripzero | :( | 22:59 |
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| * RST38h decides to get back to Transmission | 23:00 | |
| tripzero | fiferboy: were can i find the deb package for it. I need to find out if it uses EDS as a backend for alarms or if it implements it's own | 23:01 |
| fiferboy | It uses alarmd for the backend, you can find API docs for that on maemo.org | 23:02 |
| tripzero | kk | 23:02 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, anyone else ever looked at Transmission sources? | 23:02 |
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| wazd_ | http://media.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/android-16.jpg <- camera icon fails :) | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Is this what I think this is? | 23:03 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: no :P | 23:04 |
| RST38h | ufff | 23:04 |
| lcuk | RST38h, qwerty | 23:04 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: it's Android 2.0 UI | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: qwerty does not know why it hangs the whole system | 23:04 |
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| wazd_ | Shutter in front of the lens is a fail :) | 23:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I have some ideas but need someone to show me the main loop | 23:05 |
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| lcuk | is it all the time | 23:05 |
| lcuk | or under specific pressure | 23:05 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: All the time it is transferring something | 23:07 |
| lcuk | sniff the wire | 23:08 |
| lcuk | i can do it with ease from windows :D | 23:08 |
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| RST38h | it is not the network | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | teleportation? | 23:09 |
| lcuk | telekinetics? | 23:09 |
| lcuk | OOB experience? | 23:09 |
| RST38h | something makes a lot of kernel calls, apparently non-blocking read() or something similar | 23:09 |
| lcuk | ahh | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | does it still do it with no file? | 23:10 |
| lcuk | errr torrent | 23:10 |
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| johnsq | RST38h: vmstat -n 1 | 23:11 |
| hrw|gone | hi all | 23:11 |
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| RST38h | johnsq: I will try | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | no vmstat on Maemo | 23:13 |
| hrw | RST38h: many things are not present in maemo | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Hello, Cpt Obvious :) | 23:14 |
| hrw | ;d | 23:14 |
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| slonopotamus | biggest maemo fail is absence of compatibility with upstream | 23:15 |
| hrw | slonopotamus: define upstream | 23:16 |
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| hrw | slonopotamus: and do not use word "Debian" please | 23:16 |
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| slonopotamus | hrw, why not? debian, gtk | 23:16 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: hi. bluetooth working, diablo-sources compiled and working, but no flasher ebuild :( | 23:17 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, i think you want to try booting kernel without flashing it first | 23:18 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: too much work, this seems only working with flasher-3.5 | 23:19 |
| hrw | johnsq: tried 0xffff instead of nokia flasher? | 23:19 |
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| johnsq | hrw: no fiasco-flasher from rootfs | 23:21 |
| hrw | ah... I forgot about that one | 23:21 |
| hrw | johnsq: trying to make hildonized gentoo? | 23:21 |
| johnsq | hrw: no i don't want this incompatible awefull piece of code | 23:22 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 23:22 |
| hrw | johnsq: you mean hildon? :D | 23:23 |
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| johnsq | hrw: sure | 23:23 |
| * hrw -> sleep | 23:24 | |
| hrw | have to think about n900 - to buy or not | 23:24 |
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| johnsq | hrw|gone: dream about getting one :) | 23:25 |
| * SpComb twiddles spotify on his N810 | 23:25 | |
| SpComb | a bit laggy | 23:25 |
| hrw|gone | johnsq: I do not dream about such things | 23:25 |
| SpComb | ...but I guess most software is when run over remote-X over a WLAN :) | 23:25 |
| SpComb | sure to confuse the heck out of anyone, showing them a working spotify on maemo | 23:26 |
| hrw|gone | johnsq: I wrote what I think in t.m.o thread | 23:26 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 23:26 |
| SpComb | it's kind of convenient, but it lacks all the multi-user stuff like mocp has | 23:26 |
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| * javispedro glances at n900 is for girls thread | 23:28 | |
| * lcuk notices javispedro is wearing a rather fetching dress today | 23:31 | |
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| lcuk | it matches your handbag | 23:31 |
| javispedro | ... with my Nxx0 inside. | 23:32 |
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| javispedro | hiyo pupnik | 23:32 |
| javispedro | enjoying your n900? :P | 23:33 |
| lcuk | haha | 23:35 |
| lcuk | and his high heels | 23:35 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, you get a code? | 23:35 |
| javispedro | GAN900: yep, moments ago in fact. | 23:35 |
| GAN900 | Cool | 23:35 |
| javispedro | expected, I have around 300 karma iirc. | 23:35 |
| woglinde | SpComb I ported qtnx it is in devel-extras so you have better roundtrip times | 23:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, can you run it on a full debugger | 23:36 |
| lcuk | does such a thing exist | 23:36 |
| javispedro | woglinde: woulnd't you know of a "mini" NX server? (for the client/server protocol, not the nx protocol) | 23:37 |
| javispedro | I mean, FreeNX from Ubuntu is there but has a lot of deps. | 23:37 |
| javispedro | Hm. Google made one. Cool. | 23:38 |
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| woglinde | javis yes but it doesnt support yet all options | 23:39 |
| javispedro | better than having to remember the nxagent cmd line args. | 23:39 |
| woglinde | javis hm the ubuntu dont take so much if you only install the minimal requirements | 23:39 |
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| woglinde | javis or you might test x2go | 23:40 |
| woglinde | they are using nx-libs too | 23:40 |
| woglinde | but have there own server and clients | 23:40 |
| javispedro | hum. ta | 23:40 |
| javispedro | but it follows its own protocol I guess. | 23:40 |
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| javispedro | s/protocol/session protocol | 23:41 |
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| woglinde | javis as I said they are using the nxlibs too | 23:41 |
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| woglinde | only pitty the normal nxclient dont work with their server | 23:42 |
| javispedro | thats the problem | 23:42 |
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| woglinde | but they have a nxclient for the nxx's too | 23:42 |
| javispedro | actually I want the server in the nxx | 23:42 |
| woglinde | and all other major archs too | 23:42 |
| woglinde | ????? | 23:42 |
| woglinde | oh my good | 23:42 |
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| javispedro | lenny chroot + xfce + nx server on n810 is usable... | 23:43 |
| javispedro | only missing is "easy of use", currently I have to bootup both the server and client by hand each time. | 23:43 |
| woglinde | make a startscript | 23:46 |
| pupnik | yes javispedro | 23:46 |
| woglinde | shouldnt be that hard | 23:46 |
| javispedro | woglinde: touché. blinded by trying to do it the proper way I guess :) | 23:46 |
| javispedro | pupnik: :) | 23:47 |
| javispedro | pupnik: how is the keyboard for gaming? | 23:47 |
| pupnik | i think we could wrap sdl windows into clutter bitmaps yes? | 23:47 |
| javispedro | yesterday I downloaded clutter source for first time so I have to say "dunno". | 23:47 |
| lcuk | it does by default doesnt it | 23:47 |
| lcuk | or rather, via x11 | 23:47 |
| pupnik | get a snapshot of in-game screen going in app overview | 23:48 |
| javispedro | hm. | 23:48 |
| javispedro | that should happen already | 23:48 |
| lcuk | liqbase isnt composited | 23:48 |
| lcuk | and needs that capability soon | 23:48 |
| javispedro | hm. | 23:48 |
| javispedro | pupnik: tried windowed drnoksnes? | 23:48 |
| pupnik | can i use n900 as usb networking brouter for laptop? | 23:48 |
| lcuk | YUVbitmap->x11 pixmap | 23:48 |
| javispedro | both windowed drnoksnes and windowed vgba should be composited. | 23:48 |
| woodong50 | n810 can not use maemo5? | 23:49 |
| javispedro | woodong50: the answer is still on this channel's topic | 23:49 |
| johnsq | pupnik: how without usb host or otg? | 23:49 |
| andre__ | so, installing a desktop statusbar widget in fremantle, i assume that running gtk-update-icon-cache is still needed? | 23:49 |
| * andre__ trying to update older bug reports | 23:49 | |
| lcuk | johnsq, usb networking from laptop into tablet | 23:49 |
| lcuk | then 3g internet out | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i see what hes asking, i just dont know if its possible | 23:50 |
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| javispedro | doesn't it have internet sharing mode? | 23:50 |
| lcuk | tethering? | 23:50 |
| javispedro | ^^ that :) | 23:50 |
| javispedro | i'd say it should be easy enough. | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 23:50 |
| javispedro | if usbnet and iptables are avail. | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | even if from just a silly port80 proxy basis | 23:50 |
| javispedro | yeah, that may be even easier. | 23:50 |
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| * javispedro ponders 300€ n900... | 23:51 | |
| javispedro | well, I did say I wouldn't buy it until it reached that pricepoint... so... | 23:51 |
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| javispedro | lol. I had convinced myself to wait and now I have to convince myself otherwise. | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | you had enough karma? | 23:54 |
| javispedro | yep :D | 23:54 |
| absolute | yeah, my pre-order is still in... haha, i'm so far behind the times... my e62 was a mistake for many reasons, but i busted the charging pin and the rubberband/stripped wire doesn't charge it anymore... my cam is 2.1mpx from 1999... my zen broke... no gps yet... no eee or tablet of any sort... it is definitely time for me | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | i am torn between what to do with my loan device and prospect of a device i can call my own.. | 23:55 |
| javispedro | btw, I've been thinking of some project lately: codesourcery windows toolchain + qt 4.6 armel libs + qt creator = windows sdk (not packaging). | 23:55 |
| javispedro | (_without_ sbox) | 23:56 |
| woglinde | javis *g* | 23:56 |
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| javispedro | i've been wondering around forum nokia and it's like the setup they use for symbian sdk. | 23:56 |
| javispedro | only they have an emulator in symbian sdk... | 23:57 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: yours is 6 month or 1 year? | 23:58 |
| javispedro | in 1 year n900' price might have actually drop down so much. | 23:58 |
| javispedro | in 6 months... IMHO, no. | 23:58 |
| javispedro | ("so much" => i'm in europe ;) ) | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | I asked this elsewhere too.... | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | What's up with headphone ports on top? | 23:59 |
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| ShadowJK | when I take phone out of pocket it's upside down as a result | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: 6 | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | and having both headphones and power connected at same time makes it even sillier :/ | 23:59 |
| javispedro | so it all depends on wheter qgil promises dev program will last through next year. | 23:59 |
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