IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-10-12

zerojayHow big?00:00
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mgedmina few hundred kb, I guess00:00
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zerojayI was transfering mp3s with a coworker on a Blackberry Storm just fine.00:00
zerojay~4MB each.00:00
mgedminfrom the n900 or into a n900?00:00
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zerojayIt was just a little on the slow side. Took a few minutes for each.00:01
Macerwow. i left my n810 in my bag like a week ago and it is just now gettng a low battery00:01
mgedminI tried bluetooth-sendto: hangs forever, no please accept on my n90000:01
zerojayDid you pair first?00:01
mgedminI tried sending a file from my n810, got an immediate error message00:01
zerojayI'll try with my N900 and N810. Hang ong.00:01
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mgedminI tried opening the file manager on my n810 and browsing the contents of the n900 via bluetooth -> fail00:02
mgedmindoing the same from my laptop worked00:02
zerojayI'll try that too then.00:02
zerojayNokia logo... waiiitt...00:02
* GAN900 so wants to file bugs.00:03
zerojayTell me about it.00:03
zerojayAll the bugs I wanted to file in the last three weeks....00:03
zerojaySo other people might be doing it instead now.. bleh.00:03
mgedminokay, trying again: bluetooth-sendto a mp4 file00:03
mgedminooh, a popup this time00:04
zerojayah shit.00:04
mgedminI say save, select a filename, the n900 says "receiving cancelled"00:04
* zerojay hears N810 new email ring about 500 times straight. :/00:04
mgedminthe sender doesn't notice and stays at 1% or whatever00:04
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javispedrobtw, which are the final games in the n900?00:05
javispedrothe diablo four + bounce?00:05
zerojayOkay.... it's been ringing for 3 minutes straight.00:05
mgedminagain -> the same00:05
zerojayBounce isn't preinstalled.00:05
mgedminI declare it not working00:05
mgedminjavispedro: just the diablo four00:05
zerojayN810 feels absolutely GIANT right now.00:05
mgedminbounce is installable out of the box (the repo is preenabled)00:05
* mgedmin misses <, > and ~ on the hardware kb00:06
zerojayMy new email sound was replaced with the Mario coin collect sound...00:06
mgedminto get ~ you have to hold fn, press ctrl, wait for a popup animation (grr), hit the combining ~, then press space00:06
zerojayso I'm expecting to hear a 1up.00:06
zerojaySeveral times over.00:07
zerojayStill ringing.00:07
mgedminand I haven't found any way to input ą00:07
zerojayI have no idea what that even is.00:08
javispedroI wonder if I could grab the "back" onscreen button image from the builtin games and be OK -- copyright wise.00:08
* zerojay *STILL* hearing the new email sound going off.00:08
qwerty12_N810javispedro: qgil said that using them was OK, but I'm not sure about redistributing it...00:09
zerojaymgedmin: That sounds like a DISEASE.00:09
mgedminwait till you hear how it sounds when pronounced ;)00:09
javispedroqwerty12_N810: ah, guess I need to check where the builtin games get it from.00:09
mgedmin(actually nothing scary, just a long aaaa)00:10
zerojayThere's just... no way to stop this new e-mail ringing, is there?00:10
javispedroa hammer will suffice.00:10
qwerty12_N810Mute? ;)00:10
zerojayI think I got something like 400 e-mails since I last powered up my N810 3 weeks ago.00:10
mgedminput it into a hermetic container and suck the air out00:10
zerojayI would, but the tablet's too fucking busy to even let me do that.00:10
mgedminuh oh00:10
qwerty12_N810killall -9 modest00:10
qwerty12_N810One of my favourite commands00:11
zerojayAnd how am I gonna do that? :)00:11
javispedrobah, modest is the best program by far >:)00:11
javispedrohammer! hammer!!00:11
zerojayModest is a good program.00:11
mgedminmodest is nice, except when it sucks00:11
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Telepathy... failing that: SSH :p00:11
mgedmine.g. it doesn't list any imap folders on my work account00:11
zerojayI have never had problems with it since I started using it back on my N800. Still don't.00:11
mgedminactually, maybe I should make sure it's modest's problem, and not the server's...00:12
mgedminwait, I remember sylpheed showing those folders00:12
zerojayI wish RSS wasn't fucked up on the N900. :/00:12
mgedminit's either modest or connection lag/timeout00:12
mgedmingoogle reader (mobile version) works okay-ish00:13
zerojayYeah, not interested in using that.00:13
mgedmintwo downsides: no 'like' button, icons look wrong if you set text size to 'large'00:13
mgedminI'm no longer interested in an rss reader that doesn't synchronize my "read this post" status across multiple machines00:13
zerojayPart of the reason why I planned on just using the N900 for it.00:14
zerojayBut syncing is completely fucked.00:14
zerojayUpdate automatically only on wifi = I won't update more than once every two weeks.00:15
zerojayEven though I'm at home wifi nightly.00:15
zerojayI thought the new email sounds had stopped... but no.00:16
javispedrofmradio already on extras-devel :)00:16
javispedro(thank pycage)00:16
mgedminah, but can it play radio?00:16
qwerty12_N810Couldn't get it to work for me00:16
javispedrowell, I assume he has a n900 so he could ACTUALLY TEST IT?00:16
* javispedro goes to cry alone under his bridge00:16
qwerty12_N810Maybe I should've plugged in headphones and stopped the media player beforehand...00:16
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* javispedro dies, gets to play kirby's dream course in god's n90000:17
qwerty12_N810That sounds more like hell. I mean, Kirby? WTF00:17
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zerojayThat game is amazing.00:18
* javispedro tells god to ensure certain british southern guy goes to hell.00:18
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zerojayjavispedro: lcuk won't appreciate that. :/00:18
javispedrowasn't lcuk the northern?00:18
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* qwerty12_N810 is a northerner00:19
javispedrook, now this is funny :)00:19
zerojayI don't know, they're all funny talkers to me.00:19
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qwerty12_N900He just happens to be in the south00:19
jaem_N810good afternoon :)00:19
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zerojayI love how T-Mobile didn't have any backups for their Sidekick user data. lol00:19
zerojayAnd since everything on a sidekick is stored on T-Mobile servers... oops.00:20
javispedrohiyo jaem00:20
jaem_N810does Maemo have a program to show raw key events?  I seem to remember using something like that on my desktop00:20
javispedrounless installed from the sdk repo, I guess not.00:20
* zerojay wins.00:20
mgedminthe sidekick disaster is hilarious (to those who don't have one)00:20
jaem_N810oh, it is that? :S  I tried it last night, but got tired and went to bed :P00:21
jaem_N810Stskeeps: hi00:21
* javispedro tells god to not to send anyone to hell, just in case.00:21
qwerty12_N900zerojay: you're Canadian: you lose :p00:21
zerojayA friend of mine works for T-Mobile... he used to tell me that the people there go through the server data all the time.00:21
ccookeevening all00:21
zerojayIt's amazing how many people take nude pics of themselves.00:21
javispedrore Sts00:21
zerojayI tried to call him this weekend. He picked up the phone, yelled "FUCK YOU" and hung up. lol00:22
ccookeI see I've come in on a high point00:22
zerojayqwerty12_N900: :~(00:22
javispedrocoding in C tends to make me hate C and like C++, but coding in C++ makes me hate C++ and like Java, but coding in Java makes me hate Java and like C.00:23
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qwerty12_N900zerojay: :p. Oh, for what it is worth, I do not sound like lcuk (thank god)00:24
zerojaymgedmin: Trying to browse to my N900 via bluetooth from my n810 fails.00:24
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jaem_N810wheew... good, my switcher key is not broken00:24
jaem_N810it just stopped doing anything00:25
ccookejavispedro: try cobol. it'll make you hate everything00:25
jaem_N810ccooke: including cobol?00:25
zerojaymgedmin: Sending a 681kb image from n810 to n900 worked fine.00:25
ccookejaem_N810: *oh* yes00:25
mgedminzerojay: I detect a pattern here00:25
jaem_N810ccooke: tried INTERCAL?00:26
mgedminworksforyou, doesn'tworkforme00:26
ccookeI have read exactly one cobol program I liked. that was a retelling of goldilocks00:26
mgedminhow can it well who is trying to connect?00:26
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zerojaymgedmin: No. I couldn't browse to my N900 through file manager either, like you.00:26
jaem_N810ccooke: wait... what?!00:26
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ccookejaem_N810: that and a few other esoterics. lots of fun00:26
* mgedmin was referring to file sending00:26
ccookejaem_N810: it's likely online somewhdere. google it00:27
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jaem_N810ccooke: the best time to read the INTERCAL manual is 2am :)00:27
ccookejaem_N810: not intercal, the cobol goldilocks00:27
jaem_N810so, I've been out of the loop... I take it the N900s have shipped?00:27
zerojayhmm... I don't see an easy way to send a file via bluetooth from the N900. :/00:27
zerojayjaem_N810: No.00:27
* jaem_N810 is waiting for his uni to get theirs shipped in so he can play with it00:28
javispedrojaem_N810: lol at INTERCAL00:28
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mgedmincopying a 16-meg file via obex ftp into a n900 works for me (at 200 KB/sec) if I do that from my laptop (running ubuntu)00:28
inte_if someone here has access to a N900 device00:29
jaem_N810I'm working with some other students at my uni on a project using the N900 and N9700:29
zerojaymgedmin: How do you send from the N900 via bluetooth?00:29
zerojayinte_: Yeah.00:29
inte_I would really like to know if it is possible to switch phone lines for outgoing calls (Alternate Line Service - ALS)00:29
mgedminI keep forgetting that the stand has no intermediate positions00:29
javispedroI just remembered I know somebody who calls the "ampersand" punctuation symbol "aftersun".00:30
* b-man17 ´s Core2 Duo laptop with 3 gigs of ram starts to lag while building dosbox.... lol00:30
inte_most nokia devices support two phone lines, but I cannot find any info about the N90000:30
zerojayinte_: I don't have two phone lines so...00:31
inte_damed :-)00:31
jaem_N810b-man17: try using a dual-atom :(00:31
* qwerty12_N900 is content with one00:31
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zerojayI don't even have one. lol00:31
mgedmintwo phone lines?  as in dual sim cards?00:31
zerojayJust data for me, please.00:31
inte_@mgedmin two lines00:31
mgedminwhat does that mean?00:31
jaem_N810b-man17: I'm just waiting for my dorm neighbour to get his 8-core Xeon monstrousity up and running :P00:31
ccookemgedmin: no, ability to have two concurrent calls00:32
zerojayCall waiting?00:32
mgedminis that the thing called 'call waiting'?00:32
ccookeor one and a data call00:32
ccookezerojay: related, iirc. logic suggests it00:32
inte_in english00:32
b-man17jaem_N810: lol00:32
mgedminvoice + data at once is possible with 3g, not possible with 2g (or 2.5g), afaiu00:32
inte_no two voice lines00:32
jaem_N810b-man17: what distro are you running?00:32
inte_one private one business line00:32
zerojayIf you're in a call,  you can still use the net... dunno if that helps or not.00:32
inte_on N97 eg you can easily switch00:33
ccookemgedmin: it also allows conferencing via a single phone00:33
inte_zerojay no I have different ring tones depening on the line the call comes in00:33
b-man17jaem_N810: i´m on Ubuntu 8.10 atm00:33
inte_two bills depending on the line I choose to dial out00:33
Firebirdyou could sort of emulate ALS with a google voice number00:33
zerojayAll I know is that I have SIP and Skype... it's enough for me. :P00:34
ccookeor any sip service00:34
ccookesigpate are good in the .uk, btw00:34
mgedminGNOME rules!00:34
ccooke(but I hear less so elsewhere)00:34
zerojaymgedmin: Ew. :)00:34
jaem_N810hmm... I haven't found any SIP services with rates as good as Skype's subscriptions, unfortunately00:34
mgedminskype sucks a lot; everything else sucks a lot more :(00:34
qwerty12_N900mgedmin:yep, just not nautilus...00:34
jaem_N810I got that feeling00:35
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* mgedmin actually had nautilus in mind, plus the recent 'file operations' window, whatever it is00:35
jaem_N810apparently Windows Skype in Wine works fine (or did)00:35
zerojayNautilus is terrible. Everything on Gnome feels so disjointed to me.00:35
Flyser_Can I download a complete filesystem image of a n900 yet?00:35
inte_this is the service I'm taking about00:35
mgedminFlyser_: no00:35
zerojayFlyser_: No.00:36
inte_is it supported by the N900?00:36
mgedminbut I heard that one will be available soon (as in within a couple of days)00:36
zerojayI don't have the service, so I don't know.00:36
Flyser_mgedmin: zerojay: when will they be released?00:36
mgedminsomeone (I'm bad with names and nicks, okay?) recently bricked his n90000:36
Flyser_they=the images00:36
mgedminand had it reflashed by a nokia guy at the summit00:36
zerojayFlyser_: Launch, maybe.00:36
inte_zerojay which provider do you use?00:36
mgedminand that guy said he would put the image online when he got back home00:36
zerojayinte_: Rogers.00:36
Flyser_okay :-)00:36
inte_zerojay ah thats cool so the simcard should support the service00:37
Firebirdzerojay, disjointed?00:37
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zerojayTomorrow, images will be made available to those of us that are using older firmware... those that got their N900s before Summit.00:37
inte_if you switch to line 2 you can't of course make calls00:37
zerojayFirebird: Yes, disjointed. As in no integration.00:37
inte_but you should be able to switch00:37
inte_if the device supports it00:37
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Firebirdwhat kind of integration do you really need...00:37
zerojayFirebird: I hope that's a joke.00:38
jaem_N810Firebird: integration is nice, provided the apps are good00:38
inte_you could try on other (symbian) nokia phones - you can switch by holding the hashbutton if the simcard is activated for the service00:38
FirebirdI've never felt any need for integration with nautilus and the rest of gnome at least00:38
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* mgedmin takes some of the GNOME/nautilus praise back00:38
zerojayFirebird: I'm not talking about Nautilus alone. I'm talking about Gnome as a whole.00:38
mgedminthree files are stuck in the operations window at "0 seconds remaining"00:38
mgedminafaict they're copied, just not removed from the list00:39
mgedminthis had happened once before, I remember00:39
mgedminI found no way of clearing the list00:39
mgedminthe cancel button didn't work00:39
jaem_N810zerojay: true... a lot of their apps are good, but they don't all work together as nicely as, say, KDE00:39
zerojayEverything feels like it was coded by someone on the other end of the universe that doesn't care about the rest of Gnome or using other features or whatever.00:39
qwerty12_N900mgedmin: killall nautilus works for me...00:39
Firebirdzerojay, I use like one program in gnome, nautilus, so I'm not really feeling the lack of integration00:39
zerojayAnd then the fact that they break compatibility and dump their own programs every few days...00:39
zerojayFirebird: What else do you use then?00:40
mgedminokay, different bug this time, maybe not a bug00:40
Firebirdthe terminal?00:40
jaem_N810qwerty12_N900: refresh my memory... does Nautilus also serve as the GNOME shell?00:40
mgedminas soon as all of the files were transferred, the operations window disappeared00:40
zerojayFirebird: You just use Nautilus and the terminal on your computer?00:40
Firebirdthat's about the only two things in gnome suite00:40
mgedminlast time I think I was screwed by a network connection loss while using gvfs sftp00:40
javispedrojaem_N810: serves as desktop, but gnome-panel as panel.00:41
Firebirdzerojay, don't think xchat is part of gnome as a whole00:41
Firebirdor any other programs00:41
jaem_N810javispedro: right00:41
zerojayFirebird: Whhhhhaaa??00:41
Firebirdzerojay, gnome only has a few programs, everything else is just a gtk program00:42
zerojayIf that's true, that explains it.00:42
luke-jrGTK, GNOME, same crap00:42
zerojayluke-jr: That's how I've always looked at it.00:43
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mgedminnah, to become part of GNOME you have to not suck, mostly00:43
inte_zerojay hey you should get the second line activated its cool and it seems to be free on rogers00:43
mgedminmp4 files (320x240 H.264) on a n900 are interesting: bit laggy at the beginning, completely stopped and frozen video in the middle, play just find at the end; the audio is mostly flawless (there was one brief stuck moment)00:43
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zerojayinte_: As I already said, I don't even have a first line yet, just data so.... :)00:44
inte_zerojay and you could check if the device supports the service... :-)00:44
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zerojayAnd how am I going to do that? You wanna pay for me to get two lines? :)00:45
inte_zerojay no its free00:45
jaem_N810zerojay: sure, why not00:45
* zerojay slams his head into a wall.00:45
Firebirdinte_, he has no phone service on his device00:45
jaem_N810inte_: *having* two lines may be free, but the lines themselves are not00:45
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zerojayinte_: Are you listening to anything I've said?00:45
inte_$0 Second Voice Line00:45
Firebirdhe has no first line to begin with00:46
jaem_N810inte_: yes, but you still have to pay for the minutes, anyway00:46
inte_hehe i see00:46
* zerojay hulks out.00:46
inte_jaem I use mine mostly for incomming calls00:46
* javispedro hides from the gamma rays00:46
inte_to distingish between business and private calls00:46
* jaem_N810 basks in the gamma rays00:46
jaem_N810inte_: ah, okay00:47
inte_or send first line calls directly to the mailbox00:47
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mgedminlocking your cpu at 600 mhz will fry the device00:47
mgedminwhat does "locking" mean?00:47
mgedmininstalling a custom app that sets the cpufreq policy?00:47
mgedminor is it sufficient to do a while(1); loop long enough?00:47
mgedminoption B is scary00:48
SpeedEvilIf you have the governor set to allow 600MHz00:48
SpeedEvilIt's not at the moment as I understand it00:48
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mgedminlocking it at 550 mhz will do likewise, afaiu00:48
mgedminso out of the box it's limited to 500 mhz?00:48
mgedminor does it do short bursts into higher speed?00:48
javispedroseems so.00:48
javispedrolimited to 550Mhz at least, and maybe some changes to ondemand policy.00:49
SpeedEvilIt can apparantly be set higher for some apps00:49
SpeedEvilbu thtat's not very clear00:49
Firebirdso no performance mode?00:50
dtrackanyone ever get gnome working on maemo?00:50
dtrackor an alternative distro00:50
dtrack(not hildon)00:51
Firebirdthere's debian with xfce00:51
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dtracknothing with gnome though?00:51
Firebirddebian? apt-get gnome?00:51
dtracktried that00:52
dtrackbreaks a lot of thing00:52
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dtrackim downloading this atm00:52
dtracki'll try apt-get gnome on that i guess00:53
Firebirdwell there's a debian which you can boot from SD00:53
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Firebirdwhich seems to be lost (can't locate a recent page anywhere)00:53
goldbugHi.  Is it possible to install the newer fremantle/n900 version of adobe-flashplayer on a n800/n810?  Or is that a dumb idea? :)00:53
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Firebirddtrack, yea00:54
Firebirdthe homepage gives a 40400:54
dtrackthats basically mer now00:54
Firebirdah, right00:54
dtrackive been trying to get ubuntu to work00:55
dtrackwith no success D:00:55
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pwnguini dont know if this is the right place to ask, but ive got an existing tmobile plan / SIM card. does mameo have a configuration setting on a n900 to run as a phone but direct IP traffic over wifi only?01:04
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pwnguindata plan on a prepaid is kinda brutal01:05
kynkyno idea, but if its linux must have a way of configuring net interfaces, ifconfig ... ?01:06
kynkycould you ring up tmobile and ask to turn data off, like you can do when you do roaming ?01:06
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pwnguinactually, im not even sure i get a data plan01:07
Macerhave to seriously get my web server going again01:08
Macerfinally have a chance to work on it01:08
kynkyringing tmobile up cant do any harm, to find out if you can block stuff01:08
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mgedminthen it will use data traffic over cellular if and only if you explicitly connect that way01:12
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pwnguinheh. voip01:12
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mgedminsame user interface for making skype calls as for making cellular calls01:13
mgedminthere's this little dropdown control where you can switch call type01:13
mgedminneat, I think01:13
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* mgedmin really needs to go pack01:14
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pwnguinmarius gedminas... i recognize that name01:14
pwnguini think.01:15
pwnguinno, im thinking of marius neldor01:17
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freekyfrogyhey, anyone here?01:34
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freekyfrogyso Ihave a question, if anyone can help01:38
freekyfrogyI'm trying to install the install-toolkit.deb onto my n800 in order to set it up to boot from my sdcard01:39
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freekyfrogybut it's not letting me install it01:40
freekyfrogyI keep getting an installation error01:40
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Tadthebuilderthe summit is over right?02:20
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Tadthebuilderoh while  your in here,02:25
TadthebuilderI have a quick question that you might be able to answer02:26
Tadthebuilderits kinda off topic...02:26
GeneralAntilles#maemo frequently is. ;)02:26
Tadthebuilderbut would it be possible to playing some (lets say an audible book) and have02:26
Tadthebuilderaudacity record it?02:26
Tadthebuilderas an mp302:26
Tadthebuilderwithout a microphone02:26
Tadthebuilderjust using the internal soundcard02:26
GeneralAntillesYou're still going to lose quality.02:27
GeneralAntillesI mean, you can do that.02:27
GeneralAntillesBut burning it to a CD is probably simpler.02:27
Tadthebuilderother than the fact that I have to find a cd rom drive...02:27
Tadthebuilderdont use those much any more02:27
rm_youso to get rid of drm?02:27
Tadthebuilderwould i lose more quality than if I burned to cd and ripped to mp3?02:28
Tadthebuilderthats a pretty significant loss I  have heard02:28
GeneralAntillesNo, you wouldn't lose more.02:29
rm_youoff for the night02:29
GeneralAntillesJust increase the encoding quality.02:29
GeneralAntillesOr use a lossless codec.02:29
Tadthebuilderah okay02:29
Tadthebuilderthe only problem is i have to boot into my buggy windows partition...02:29
GeneralAntillesNot ideal, but that's what you get for licensing content. :P02:30
Tadthebuilderhave not been keeping up with its got tuns of spyware02:30
TadthebuilderI just forgot to read the fine print02:30
TadthebuilderI thought it would be like amazons music mp302:30
Tadthebuilderwhich have a linux downloader02:30
Tadthebuilderand are drmless02:30
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Tadthebuilderthats what I get for letting people use my computer in windows....02:31
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GeneralAntillesI wonder how many of these companies realize there are hordes of people waiting in the wings with money burning a hole in their pocket just to pay for content that isn't encumbered. <_<02:31
TadthebuilderI donno but I would love it02:31
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TadthebuilderItunes finally learned02:31
Tadthebuilderstill dont buy music from them02:31
Tadthebuildercause I hate itunes02:31
Tadthebuilder(the program)02:31
TadthebuilderI dont understand what the drm is really accomplishing02:32
Tadthebuilderother than keeping law abiding citizens from listening to what they purchased on the device of their choosing02:32
GeneralAntillesIt makes the dinosaurs that run the content industry feel better.02:32
GeneralAntillesThey're kind of like gun laws. ;)02:32
Tadthebuilderit just does not stop people from pirating it02:33
TadthebuilderI could go on and download02:33
Tadthebuilderthe same book I bought02:33
Tadthebuilderif anything it makes me want to pirate02:33
GeneralAntillesI've been using iTunes since it was SoundJam MP. ;)02:33
Tadthebuildernot that im going too02:33
TadthebuilderI use mediamonkey in windows02:33
Tadthebuilderand aamorok and rythmbox in linux02:34
TadthebuilderI used to use foobar02:34
Tadthebuilderand sometiems02:34
Tadthebuilderwhen im surfing the net I use xmms02:34
* Tadthebuilder would like an n90002:34
Tadthebuildercan you write in your will that I get yours if you die?02:34
Tadthebuilderassuming you get the community discount02:35
Tadthebuilderand get one02:35
GAN900I don't own one. :P02:35
Tadthebuilderim botting into windows...02:36
Tadthebuilderwish me luck on my conversion and drm removal02:36
GAN900In fact, I don't think anybody on the planet actually owns one at this pint.02:36
Tadthebuilderwhat aobut lcuk?02:36
Tadthebuilderis it still nokias02:36
GAN900Think so.02:36
Tadthebuilderwell if you get one02:36
Tadthebuilderwilli t to me02:36
Tadthebuilderso if you die ill get one02:36
GAN900lcuk's special, though02:36
Tadthebuilderhe is02:37
GAN900You know, short bus. . . .02:37
Tadthebuildertis true02:37
Tadthebuilderi dont know about that02:37
Tadthebuilderis awesome02:37
TadthebuilderI use it all the time02:37
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Tadthebuilderhave a nice day/night02:37
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GAN900(we love you Gary! :P)02:38
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Macerlol. goddamn andromeda turned into star wars03:36
Macer"let your feelings guide you"03:36
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pwnguinheh, from amazon's listing of n900: "Full messaging capabilities including SMS, MMS, mobile instant messaging (with presence-enhanced contacts), personal and corporate email (with support for Exchange and viewing attachments)."04:31
pwnguinanyone tried that?04:31
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Macerdoes everybody have one of these fuckiung n900s but me? :)06:20
Maceri feel like the poor child looking through the resturaunt window06:20
GAN900Wasn't Nokia supposed to make these legalese bs less irritating.06:20
zerojayThey did.06:20
zerojayStill annoying though.06:21
GAN900Macer, IRC has a disproportiate number of unhealthy contributors.06:21
GAN900Macer, IRC has a disproportiate number of unhealthy contributors.06:21
GAN900Check the box.06:21
Macerhuh? :)06:21
Macerthat damn irc!06:21
GAN900Somebody needs to tell them that users just ignore warnings they see OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN06:22
Macerlike "do not pirate this music"06:22
GAN900zerojay, i.e., way too much time spent on a hobby. :D06:22
zerojayOh.. lol.06:22
zerojayNo doubt.06:22
Maceri'm still watching this disgusting andromeda season06:23
GAN900Apple only shows that when you enable sharing the first time.06:23
Maceri think i'd still rather impregnate trance than romie06:23
GAN900Nokia throws it in your face.06:23
MacerGAN900: at least maemo 5 is probably pretty nice06:23
zerojayIt is.06:23
Macercompared to this touchbook os06:24
* zerojay twists the knife. ;)06:24
GAN900The sad part? Nokia's software is usually the stuff that's dangerously broken.06:24
Maceri don't know.. maemo4 was pretty good06:24
GAN900Maemo 5 is better in most respects.06:25
Macerit uses qt06:27
Macerthat alone makes it better ;)06:27
Macerdeath to gtk06:27
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GAN900No, it uses GTK06:29
GAN900Harmattan is Q06:29
Maceri thought it uses qt06:29
Macerwtf? :)06:29
GAN900and, seriously, are you a programmer?06:29
Macerno. but qt is nicer looking :)06:30
Maceri don't care what anybody says... qt looks better than gtk based stuff06:30
GAN900Yeah. You, like me, aren't really qualified to judge toolkits. ;)06:30
GAN900You clearly haven't used Maemo 5.06:31
Macerbut i can judge how qt based stuff looks nicer06:31
zerojayQT in Maemo isn't going to look like KDE.06:32
GAN900Themeing doesn't have much to do with the merits of a particularly toolkit.06:32
zerojayGTK has always looked like complete crap to me. Maemo 5 doesn't... so really... doesn't matter.06:33
Firebirdeh? gtk and qt look exactly the same on maemo06:34
GeneralAntillesI've yet to be impressed by a single Linux toolkit theme. ;)06:34
Firebirdzerojay, gtk is intended to look like crap and be boring06:34
Firebirdin fact, its a feature06:34
zerojayOne of the few features it has. Heh.06:35
Macerno. i'm sure it is an old feature :)06:35
zerojayIf I were a GTK developer, I think I would be tearing my hair out.06:35
zerojayShit in GTK just changes far too often.06:35
zerojayThey dump major libraries all the time.06:35
zerojayJust to replace them for the next major revision... just to dump them again the next time.06:36
zerojayIt's a moving target.06:36
GeneralAntillesWell, at least it isn't boring. :P06:37
zerojayMaybe not for the developers.06:37
zerojayFor users.. it's the bible. lol06:37
GAN900Bleh, a little piece of me dies inside every time Andre says he's forwarding a bug. :((06:44
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samadhello everyone06:49
samadI need to make installation package of software with input parameter  for N900  . Is there anybody who can help me regarding this06:51
GAN900samad, it goes against recommendations, is there any way you could get it at first start?06:52
samadGAN900 , ok i am starting and will knock u if any problem06:54
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RST38hreMoo all07:50
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samadI need to make installation package of software with input parameter  for N900  . Is there anybody who can help me regarding this08:21
samadGAN900, I didn't find how to start regarding this08:24
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fralsmornin o/10:22
fralsgod i shut down my computer during the night and now its freezing in here, last time im doing that :p10:22
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Macercomputer and heat transfer10:29
Macerpeople should make entire houses out of computers10:31
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JaffaMorning, all10:45
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inte_if someone here has access to a N900 device10:53
inte_I would really like to know if it is possible to switch phone lines for outgoing calls (Alternate Line Service - ALS)10:53
inte_two voice lines10:53
inte_two bills10:53
inte_supported by nokia symbian devices10:53
inte_but on the n900?10:54
Macerandromeda is kind of funny now10:54
inte_i would *really* need to know... thanks in advance!10:54
Macerwhen rebecca is the matriarch10:55
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pwnguinno +t?10:56
*** inte_ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ | | Maemo Community Council"10:57
inte_ | | | Maemo Summit 09 -> |10:57
Stskeepsinte_: that was a bit rude10:57
inte_          Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead10:57
inte_yeah sorry10:57
inte_setting it back10:57
*** inte_ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ | | Maemo Community Council | | | Maemo Summit 09 -> | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead"10:58
inte_well but still if anyone has an idea :-)10:58
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mihuGood morning. Currently I have three respositories activated in my N900: applications, updates and maemo extras. None of them includes the openssh-server. Does anybody know which repository has it?11:05
Stskeepsyou will have to activate extras-devel but keep in mind this is bleeding edge, even for applications you have already preinstalled11:08
mihuStskeeps: That's ok with me. I need to login into that thing. :-)11:09
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rcs1000and indeed, goodbye, i'll be back...11:16
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mihuStskeeps: I just see that dropbear-server is available as well. It does not seem to generate any private key after installation automatically. Do I really have to do it manually?11:18
Stskeepsah, i would get openssh-server instead11:19
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mihuStskeeps: You are right. I thought it is much bigger but it's just ~710kB of openssh-client+server vs. ~200 kB of dropbear. Now it's working.11:24
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JaffaOpenSSH server is in extras-testing11:25
JaffaSo, that's less bleeding edge than extras-devel11:25
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Stskeepsyou certainly get around in europe11:27
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thuxspam probably :)
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timelessboarding to HEL11:35
timelessit's my connection for returning11:35
Macertrance is a total bitch towards the end of andromeda11:35
timelesslow battery :)11:35
adeusprepare for some snow :)11:35
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timelessi'm wearing a winter jacket11:36
Macerdon't say that11:36
Macersnow sucks11:36
timelessi have on fluffy pants and my carry on has waterproof overpants11:36
StskeepsMacer: how bad is TB treating you so far?11:36
Macerwhen i was in the Marines i had to go to cold weather training and everybody told me that i am from chicago and should be used to it11:36
Macerand i told them they had a misunderstand of what people do during cold weather11:36
MacerStskeeps: it's working11:37
timelesslow battery :)11:37
Macerafter patching the damn network manager :)11:37
Macerthe non-multi user thing kind of sucks11:37
timelessmacer: wear layers11:37
Maceri was hoping that i'd be able to run gdm or something11:37
Macertimeless: no.. stay inside ;)11:37
timelessor stay indoors11:37
Macerwarm the car up and run to it11:37
* timeless nods11:37
Macerthe people from the southern states were all playing in the snow because they never saw the shit before11:38
timelesscar warming ports are neat11:38
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Maceri told them they won't think it's so great later on :)11:38
Macerbecause i simply knew better11:38
timelesshow long did they leave you outside?11:38
Macerit was worse than boot camp :)11:39
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Macerwe were in bridgeport california.. just when i thought california didn't get cold.. wow was i wrong :)11:39
Macerholy shit it was torture ..  but i survived haha11:39
timelessTahoe :)11:39
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Macerbut we were stuck in the mountains for like 3 weeks outside11:40
Macera Lt i was with said "We just have to get passed this hill."11:40
Macerand it was a fucking mountain11:41
Maceron skis11:41
Macerwith skids11:41
Macerand i have never used them before11:41
Macertimeless: used to go up11:41
Macermakes the skis stick11:41
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timelessi've only done downhill once @tahoe11:41
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adeusthey're climbing skins11:41
timelessi had friends back east who skiid11:42
Maceradeus: yeah.. transversing mountains sucks :)11:42 doesn't have moiuntains :)11:42
Macerwe had to drink snow and shit11:42
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Macerthe cold weather MREs were great tho :)11:43
timelessas long as it was white11:43
timelesscity snow is black11:43
Macerit's more of a salted mush11:43
mihuHm, another N900 related question: In the status bar at the top, there is the clock, battery fillfgrade and then Wifi status. Below the Wifi status, there are a 6 small squares, which can be white, grey or black. What do they represent?11:44
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Stskeepswithin the area or outside it?11:45
timelessmihu, i don't think that's standard11:46
mihuStskeeps: Within. They appeared after I used fmradio application. The app said it turned on bluetooth. But that is a different symbol and I could turn off bluetooth in the setup.11:46
Stskeepsnot sure11:46
mihuStskeeps: Nowthe topmost left small square is blinking red. ;-)11:47
Stskeepsctrl-shift-p and publish screenshot?11:47
SpeedEvilIt's gonna blow! Run!11:47
Mekit's not the load applet? (which would be unrelated to usingthe fmradio application...)11:48
Stskeepshave a good flight timeless11:48
timelesssafe journies all11:48
timelesssounds like the load applet11:49
timelessiirc it shows cpu and memory11:50
JaffaWTF? "Python for S60" on
timelessjaffa: mentioned earlier11:50
StskeepsJaffa: old11:50
timelesswe kinda liked that11:50
Stskeepsit's been there since a year or so11:50
timelessa sign that garage hosting works11:50
mihuMek: You are the man. It's the load applet. Totally forgot that I installed it as well. *facepalm*11:51
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ccookehow are people finding the n900's battery?11:52
* RST38h moos evilly11:52
JamieBennettccooke: Terrible!11:52
RST38hJaffa: Wait until they putS60 MIDp framework there =)11:53
JamieBennettno more than 2-3 hours browsing with only the browser open. I can't go a full day without a charge and thats with pretty light usage11:53
Macerit's great seeing the physical losses by strung out actors11:53
RST38hJamie: Known problem =)11:53
Macerseason by season they are more and more jacked up :)11:54
RST38hBTW, where can I download powertop for fremantle?11:54
Maceror wrote out11:54
MekRST38h: it was already installed on mine...11:54
JamieBennettRST38h: Is there a bug for this?11:54
RST38hJamie: No, should there be?11:54
ccookeRST38h: that was my next question :-)11:54
JaffaRST38h: It's built in (in 41-10, at least)11:54
RST38hJaffa: Ah really? =)11:54
* RST38h goes to check it out11:54
JaffaRST38h: It's only on root's path, so "sudo gainroot", and just type "powertop"11:55
JamieBennettRST38h: Terrible battery should have a bug :)11:55
RST38hNope, no powertop here11:55
StskeepsRST38h: so did you end up on business class?11:55
RST38hJaffa: Understood. Thanks!11:55
RST38hSts: Of course not, I was watching the KOffice presentation =)11:55
ccookeoh, thatms nice11:56
RST38hSts: Pretty much decided what I will do on business part: will wait for Ovi store, then try to submit a free app there first11:56
RST38hSts: If I can't, will scrap the Ovi store idea and just sell through a web site (if there are enough potential customers of course, else it stays free)11:57
ensiyou guys familiar with the contact book api? it says that "roster contacts" are associated with master contacts. what does it mean?11:59
StskeepsRST38h: oh, i was talking about your flight :P11:59
RST38hSts: Ah, that one...No, it looked and felt exactly the same as the rest of the cabin + I have got a kid jumping all over his seat behind me12:00
RST38hNo idea what that note meant...12:00
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Jaffaensi: Roster contacts are the contacts from an IM account12:05
Jaffas/IM/VoIP and IM/12:05
infobotJaffa meant: ensi: Roster contacts are the contacts from an VoIP and IM account12:05
ensiJaffa: so they are attached to which master contact?12:06
Jaffaensi: They appear inside the master contacts as separate entries unless they are "Merged" from the UI.12:08
JaffaOnce merged, they stay attched.12:08
Stskeepscould someone upload gnutar to fremantle extras-devel?12:08
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RST38hzap: Thanks for the fixed Midnight Commander package =)12:10
zapRST38h: no problem :)12:10
ensiJaffa: sorry for being daft.. say i have a a contact that i created "John Doe" with a phone number. where do these roster contacts come into play?12:10
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tigertyour friend John Doe has a gmail account12:11
tigertand you add your gmail account to the device12:11
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tigertit pulls into addressbook if such a contact exists in googletalk12:11
ensiso "John Doe" is the master contact and "" would be the associated roster contact?12:12
Jaffaensi: If you add your Gtalk account under "VoIP and IM accounts" you may have a "" record show up as a roster contact. I believe there is no automatic merging. They will have different fields between the two contacts (e.g. the first may be "First name", "Last name" and "Email"; the latter "Google Talk IM", "Google Talk Call" and "Nickname")12:13
Jaffaensi: They'll show up separately in Contacts but then you can open either one and select "Merge with contact"12:14
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ensihmm, ok so why do those roster contacts need to be associated with a master contact? The master contact in this case is a "temporary master contact" then?12:16
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Jaffaensi: I don't know.12:19
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Jaffaensi: I thought that "master contacts" was the merged view of Evolution contacts, SIM contacts and IM contacts.12:20
zaheermguys, whoever was in the extending hildon desktop bof that told me about setting the rgba colormap12:20
zaheermyou are my hero for today12:20
ensiJaffa: ok12:22
ensiJaffa: thanks a bunch!12:22
Stskeepshmm, what was that UK company that subsisided the N900?12:23
Jaffaensi: This is my understanding. I'm not an expert. Just been looking at the docs/#maesum talks as part of Hermes12:23
JaffaStskeeps: mobiles direct (IIRC) was the one who had T-Mobile & Vodafone pre-orders12:23
ensiJaffa: well its certainly more than my understanding12:23
ensiJaffa: one more question if you may?12:23
ensiwell actually12:24
ensinever mind12:24
zaheermfor anyone that is in any doubt about the n900, i have now used it for 3 1/2 days as my primary phone and can't look back12:24
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bilboedzaheerm, I think you're preaching the converted here :)12:28
Stskeepsnever going back ;)12:28
sulxonce you hack you cant go back12:28
zaheermsulx, that is my biggest worry12:28
JamieBennettMust admit that I'm considering popping the sim from my n900 back into my iphone :(12:32
JamieBennettMaybe I just have a bad battery or something but a phone that doesn't last a day with light usage is no good for me.12:34
mihuAnyone had success in playing H.264 streams on the N900? I tried samples from the Apple page, but they don't play.12:34
mihuFor example
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wazdheya all12:39
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, doesn't match my experience.12:40
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RST38hheya wazd12:41
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: Charged it overnight for the last 3 nights, light usage (2 or 3 short calls, 1 hour or so browsing, never leave apps open) and its dead by the evening.12:42
RST38hJamie: What are you running on the tablet?12:42
JamieBennettNothing normally. ^12:42
RST38hJamie: Is it connected to WiFi?12:43
JamieBennettRST38h: Only when browsing, no IM or anything like that and no email checking12:43
JamieBennettmaybe its just a bad battery, haven't ruled that out until I see an output from powertop12:44
RST38hJamie: is the WiFi icon constantly up?12:44
sulxJamieBennett: thats like iPhone then12:44
JamieBennettRST38h: no12:44
JamieBennettsulx: same use case on the iPhone (I have one too) I get 3 days or so12:44
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RST38hJamie: What status bar and desktop applets are you running?12:47
JamieBennettRST38h: No applets apart from the location on that is always turned off. No status bar plugins12:47
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zaheermJamieBennett, impressive you get 3 days on iphone12:48
zaheermJamieBennett, my mum is a light user, she gets < 1 day12:48
RST38hJamie: remove the location applet. check what happens afterwards.12:48
JamieBennettSeems strange as others aren't seeing it. I showed Jaffa my battery at the party with a couple of bars of charge, it was dead within an hour.12:49
JamieBennettzaheerm: As I said, light usage.12:49
fralsyou got the prototype with a hunger for power then ;-)12:49
tigertJamieBennett: rd mode?12:49
RST38htigert: How do you switch into RD mode without reflashing?12:50
JamieBennetttigert: no RD mode.12:50
tigert./flasher --disable-rd-mode12:50
tigertand -enable (to RST38h )12:51
zaheermtigert, were the devices in rd mode when nokia gave them to us on friday?12:51
* JamieBennett needs powertop12:51
GeneralAntillesWe need firmware images so we can reflash. <_<12:51
JamieBennettzaheerm: If that is the case them maybe12:51
* JamieBennett hasn't changed anything12:52
tigertif you see green boot screen text12:52
tigertits rdmode12:52
JamieBennetttigert: in that case then no, its not in rdmode12:52
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, isn't powertop bundled?12:52
JamieBennettGeneralAntilles: no12:52
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JamieBennettnot on this build12:52
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, seems like this is in the recent scrollback.12:52
tigertbecause rd mode keeps serial console running which eats power12:52
RST38hHTC Leo Photos:
GeneralAntillesJaffa: It's only on root's path, so "sudo gainroot", and just type "powertop"12:53
tigertplus maybe other stuff12:53
GeneralAntillesJamieBennett, you sure?12:53
RST38htigert: Ah, ok =)12:53
GeneralAntillesWinMob. Who cares.12:53
JamieBennettah, need gainroot first12:53
tigertyou can set/remove rdmode without flashing the device contents12:53
JamieBennettgot it12:53
tigertits just done with tlasher tool12:54
JamieBennettseems its mostly in the C3 state and nothing out of the ordinary is firing off12:55
JamieBennettmmm, need to look into it more12:55
RST38hGeneral: What if it runs Android though?12:56
GeneralAntillesRST38h, Android, WinMob, my apathy level is still about as high as it gets.12:56
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RST38hGeneral: Ok. What if it runs Mer?12:56
RST38hTell that to Stskeeps =)12:57
GAN900What's the MSRP?12:57
tigertJamieBennett: I noticed that since the browser is so darn fun12:58
tigertI keep using it all the time when commuting12:58
RST38hMinimal Suggested Retail Price12:58
RST38hOr Manufacturer Suggested Retail price12:58
tigertnow, compare that to my N95 which just mostly sat in my pocket idle12:58
JamieBennetttigert: N95 experience sucks (got one of them too)12:58
zaheermtigert, totally, tho i used to use it on my e71 too12:58
JamieBennett(Internet experience)12:58
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Ceron^putty is what i use mostly on my n90012:59
tigertso I use this a LOT more than any previous "cellphone"12:59
tigertthus the drainage is much higher too12:59
Ceron^loli meeen nokia e7112:59
tigertCeron^: openssh you mean? :)12:59
fralsi use my n95 browsing when commuting.. but i assume the n900 is a tad better for that :p13:00
* tigert wonders how much an openssh session takes13:00
tigertand whether some keepalive config setting could make a difference?13:00
Ceron^battery or kb?13:00
tigertkb-wise, I dont care (flatrate)13:00
Ceron^il be using mail for exchange and ssh13:00
GAN900RST38h, um, yeah, I know what MSRP means . . . what's the number. . . .13:01
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Ceron^gan at my company n900 msrp is 450 euros13:01
Ceron^without taxes13:02
GAN900on the HTC Leo13:02
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GAN900Why are the profiles settings so limited. . . .13:07
GAN900I really don't need vibra on clock alarms or IM.13:07
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samadGAN900, r u there13:30
samadi have built the installation package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot13:32
samadbut i could not able to give input parameter13:33
samadmean step by step insrallarion13:33
samador anybody there ?13:33
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BogdanRI would like to remove the first two icons from the N810 interface (the "browsing" and the "contacts/email" ones)13:40
BogdanRFrom what I understand so for I don't think this can be done from the theme but since this is OpenSource I imamgine I could change the code of some component13:40
BogdanRCan anyone help me a little with this?13:41
ensiJaffa:(or someone else) how do i get a full list of contacts? i can get a list of EBookContacts from e_book_get_contacts but I presume these are just EContact objects instead of more detailed OssoAbookContact objects.13:43
BogdanRBasically I want to might want remove the left part of the screen completely to maximise desktop area13:43
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RST38hBogdanr: This is called full screen mode :)13:49
BogdanRI know but I want to increase the desktop area13:49
RST38hCan't do. Probably can remove the icons, can't increase the desktop size13:49
BogdanRSince it's possible to recompile stuff I guess that can be done13:50
RST38hNot everything is open sourced13:50
BogdanRproblem is that I don't know which component is this13:50
BogdanRI know some drivers are not OpenSource13:51
RST38hAnd even if it were open sourced, I am not sure you are willing to make changes throughout the entire system just ot get extra 60 pixels13:51
BogdanRRST38h: well, this is what I am trying to investigate13:51
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BogdanRRST38h: what part handles the right part of the screen?13:52
RST38hHildon Desktop13:52
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BogdanRHildon Desktop seem to be handling almost everything13:53
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tigertwell the left side contains the task switcher and other stuff13:54
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tigertwhat are you trying to achieve?13:55
ShapeshifterSo, is the sdk supposed to run smoothly? It says with 3d accelleration "activated" - whatever that means, it should be fast. I'm on a GMA945, which does well for simple compositing, and I'm using compiz as the WM, which runs at 60fps.13:55
RST38hShapeshifter: SDK is not even guaranteed to run your programs13:56
RST38hShapeshift: So, the answer to your question is "no"13:56
Shapeshifterah ok.13:57
BogdanRtigert: For starters I would like to get rid of the first two icons13:59
BogdanRtigert: I only need the menu with all the applications14:00
jjoI think intel display adapters had problems with some kernel versions14:00
jjoin ubuntu intel+jaunty is mainly bad where as intel+karmic seems pretty snappy14:00
BogdanRtigert: Step 2 would be to increase the desktop size with the zise covert by the left side of the UI14:01
tigertstep1 might work if you remove the desktop menu plugin14:02
tigertI dont know  the details14:02
tigertbut you still get the panel on the left side14:02
tigertthe whole UI is kinda expecting14:02
tigertit to be there14:03
tigertbut _what_ are you trying to do?14:03
RST38hHe is trying to get those pixels.14:04
BogdanRtigert: I am trying to modify the UI to make it more like I need it to be because some things don't make sense to me14:04
RST38hSo, let us wait until he fails and comes back with a more specific goal =)14:04
tigertyeah, but _what_ are you trying to do?14:05
BogdanRtigert: I think I want to reclaim some part of the screen to the desktop so i need to know where is the code for that rigt part14:06
zapRST38h: btw, should I port bash to fremantle as well? mc works with bash much better than with ash14:12
BogdanRtigert: Is that part in the right called hildon-navigator ?14:12
tigertBogdanR: topright bar is statusbar if I remember correctly14:13
tigertleft is task navigator or whatever14:13
tigertbut its way much work trying to rip it off14:14
tigertwhat do you need the space for?14:14
tigerta home applet?14:14
BogdanRseveral applets14:14
RST38hzap: I guess so: it should not be too much of an effort and a lot of Linux gurus will thank you for that14:15
RST38h(/me is not one of them though :))14:15
zapwell, using mc without bash is very uncomfortable14:15
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RST38hI mostly use the mc UI, so have not noticed much so far...14:15
RST38hBut that is highly user dependent, so cannot claim anything here14:16
BogdanRAlso, I am SSH-ing into the N810 over wireless and it's painfuly unresponsive14:16
BogdanRAny ideea how I can make that behave decently?14:17
BogdanRthe SSH server on the N810 is dropbear14:17
suihkulokkiBogdanR: disable wifi power saving for your AP ?14:17
BogdanRsuihkulokki: I'll try that14:18
BogdanRsuihkulokki: How do I do that?14:20
omcfaddeqwerty12_N810: you can move backwards. you need to tilt the device back a bit though. you can also change the angle with accel_angle14:20
suihkulokkiBogdanR: something like control panel -> internet connections -> "pick your ap from the list" -> go next until there is "advanced" button -> select the power saving level14:22
BogdanRsuihkulokki: Found it. Thatnks. This is way better14:25
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* RST38h is filing a shitload of bug reports14:31
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fralscould someone with a n900 try and receive an mms and see what shows up in the ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db?14:36
fralseg if the sms control messages are there or not ;o14:36
zaheermfrals, you can send me an mms if you want, will provide my mobile number in PM14:36
* SpeedEvil wonders how many phone-spammers read #maemo14:38
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zaheermfrals, that file is binary, what should i look for14:40
RST38hGeneral: here?14:41
fralsif you have access to a desktop, transfer the file there and open it in a sqlitebrowser and see if there is some SMS's there that doesnt show up in the messaging app14:41
RST38hAnyway, people, please look at the bottom of this list:
RST38hAnd vote if you see familiar bugs14:42
* timeless needs to teacj rst to shorten bugzilla query urls14:44
timelessbut only after i get my luggage14:44
timelesswhich decided it didn't want to come in the same way as me14:45
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zaheermfrals, nothing yet14:46
zaheermfrals, last entry was a jabber message that was sent...but hey that is a cool file to know about :)14:46
fralsguess my carrier doesnt like sending MMS to yours as its still not deliviered, got it listed as "Pending" in my phone... just have to wait and see i guess ;)14:47
aSIMULAtergood morning14:48
aSIMULAteri mean afternoon14:48
aSIMULAteror something14:48
fralsman sending mms is cheap thou, only costs me 0.07€ per MMS even international :p14:49
RST38hHello, asimula14:49
aSIMULAterhi thr14:49
* RST38h wonders if he should file any Maps bugs14:54
RST38hThe desire to file the "scrap the whole thing" bug is too great there...14:54
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StskeepsRST38h: "Use Maemo Mapper instead of Ovi Maps"14:54
RST38hBut let us exhale, go "constructive", and start with the long list...14:55
RST38hStskeeps: This is what Intel calls a "BKM"14:55
RST38hStskeeps: Best Known Method :)14:55
* timeless retrieves luggage14:55
timelessrst38h: constructive bugs against ovi maps would be nice14:56
timelessit's much easier to justify scrapping something if we can point to volumes of polite high quality reports about distinct unfixed issues14:57
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RST38hIt can probably be brought to reasonably useful state by 5-6 changes14:57
Andy80hi all14:57
RST38hNot to say that it will become perfect, but at least it won't annoy the crap out of people14:57
timeless1. move the current location indicator to the title area14:58
timeless2. redo zooming14:58
RST38hAh, leave the damn zooming14:58
RST38hStart by making sense of this applications-within-Maps mess14:58
* timeless chuckles14:58
RST38hMake consistent UI with a generic application menu, instead of that switching thing14:58
timelessmy translation calls them applets or components or something14:59
RST38h3. Turn of search-as-you-type feature14:59
timeless3 should be doable14:59
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RST38hIf you believe it works, try it over GPRS14:59
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timelessi've been traveling in eastern europe for 3 weeks14:59
timelessit doesn't work14:59
RST38hheya pupnik14:59
tigertwell, some timeouts before initiating search14:59
pupnikhi rst :)15:00
timelesstigert: xul has widgets for that :)15:00
RST38hpupnik == ArnimS?15:00
timelessmost of the other bugs i c think of are server issues15:00
RST38hAh, 4. Explain to people how to preload maps to the device15:01
rikshot_is there some incompatibility with the final sdk and mac os x, nothing really works with the emulated device15:01
RST38h(use case: foreign country, insane roaming charges, no sane dataplan)15:01
Stskeepsthere's a X problem i think15:01
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timelessmy assumption was the the standard nokia maps downloader app works15:02
timelessrst38h: again, i hit that while traveling15:02
timelessi had us maps in ukraine15:03
RST38h5. optimize on-disk data storage so that it is not that slow15:03
rikshot_i'm getting alot of these glib warnings for clutterx11 failing to get a ximage15:03
zaheermfrals, yah i have had a phonecall, sms and IM since and still nothing in that sqlite db15:03
timelessthat didn't work well15:03
fralsyeah guess my carrier hates your carrier :D15:03
RST38h(may want to cooperate with ab who needs the same kind of algorithms for image processing)15:03
timelessmy hope is that their tile handling isn't completely broken15:04
wazdso, I guess now I can ask for theme screenshots without making fake passport and meeting somewhere in the Nevada? :D15:04
timelessthe alg they use to download tiles is broken15:04
timelesswazd: i'll start posting stuff somewhere15:05
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timelesshave you seen my shots?15:05
wazdtimeless: nope15:05
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RST38hCan "Send wazd an N900 already" be filed as a bug?15:07
wazdRST38h: it's not a bug, it's a feature :D15:08
timelessthere still aren't any real devices15:08
timelessas far as i know15:08
RST38hwazd: Well, it is quickly becoming a bug, because you are doing artwork for Maemo5 projects15:08
timelessonce there are real sales boxes, it's much easier to manage15:08
RST38hAnd it is kinda fdifficult to do that without the real thing15:09
wazdRST38h: well, I've managed to run SDK :)15:09
timelesswazd: speaking of which, i need art :)15:09
timelessgot a picture for me? :)15:09
wazdtimeless: yeah, I'm looking for ready flag icons right now15:10
pupnikyes rst38h15:10
wazdtimeless: I think these will be just fine15:13
RST38hpupnik: !15:13
* RST38h puts a face on pupnik15:13
* SpeedEvil imagines RST38h walking around with a big bag of cartoon masks.15:14
RST38hGuy Fawkes masks indeed15:14
wazdI can download theme .deb with SDK and install it! :D15:14
* frals takes a picture of pupnik and tries to MMS it ;-)15:14
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wazddamn, I'm a genius :D15:17
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wazdRST38h: can you send me latest .deb please?15:17
tigertwazd: it would be slightly weird if a deb didnt work in the SDK ;)15:18
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timeless looks good15:18
wazdtimeless: yep15:18
wazdtimeless: and they're highres15:18
RST38hwazd: I do not  have it here at work =(15:18
timelessthe links don't work from microb15:19
wazdRST38h: ah, k :)15:20
timelessAddress Not Found15:20
wazdDamn, I always get segfault when using microb in sdk15:21
RST38hAnyone who does not like the current accelerometer API, please vote for this bug:
Andy80very interesting question: how can I submit a bug about hardware design of N900 in :P ?15:21
wazdAndy80: and the reply would be "FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!111" :D15:21
RST38hAndy80: I would go with Brainstorm15:21
wazdtimeless: I can send you the archive to email15:22
Andy80wazd: what?15:22
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Andy80seriously... if I have some feedback about design of the product... where can I submit it to be sure it's read by them?15:23 ;p15:23
RST38hAndy80: Have you been to the summit?15:23
wazdAndy80: do you really expect it to be fixed?15:23
Andy80RST38h: yes, I was at the Summit, why?15:23
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Andy80wazd: well.... at least in the next device :)15:24
RST38hAndy80: Your best chance was to talk to Nokia people there and bring as many of them as possible to your side15:24
timelessyou have unreasonable expectations15:24
wazdAndy80: next device can be anything15:24
RST38hAndy80: Outside of this possibility, the next best choice seems to be Brainstorm15:24
timelesshardware feedback today is unlikely to influence any hypothetical devices that might be "next"15:24
fralsout of curiousity, whats the feedback? :)15:24
timelessyou probably mssed the boat by a year15:24
RST38hAndy80: And the third best choice will be bitching on t.m.o :)15:25
SpeedEvilAs tehy are probably already largey designed.15:25
Andy80ok... but I don't want some stupid things like "very hard to open battery cover"15:25
* timeless chuckles15:25
RST38hAndy80: What DO you want?15:25
Andy80or something like "hole for the hand-cord on the wrong side" :P15:25
RST38hActually, this reminds me...15:25
* RST38h files a bug for 180o and 270o rotation support15:26
wazdtimeless: nom-nom-nom :D15:26
timelessi don't suppose you could downsample for the correct sizes for ham/control panel?15:26
wazdtimeless: tell me what are they15:26
* timeless doesn't want to figure out that info :)15:27
timelesssorry, dunno,i bet others here do15:27
Andy80the even better question is: do they really want real feedback/bugreports or not?15:27
timelessjaffa: what's the ham .deb icon size?15:27
timelessandy80: real software bugs, yes please15:27
Andy80Jaffa: hi :)15:27
Andy80timeless: bad UI or design is more than a bug for me ;) (not in general... but in some cases)15:28
timelesshardware reports are mostly going to duplicate feedback the maemo software team had nowhere to deliver when *we+ got the hardware15:28
timelessandy80: pastebin a sample report15:29
timelessi'll read it once i get to work15:29
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timelessbut first it's vaguely snowing and i need to drag my bag home from the railway station15:30
zaheermthe back cover is a pain to open but better than not being able to change your battery ala iphone and its easier to open than a g115:30
Andy80timeless: my hardware issues I'd like to submit have nothing related with software bugs15:30
timelessdon't bother w/ hardware issues15:30
andre__Andy80, publish them somewhere15:30
timelesswe can't do anything15:30
timelessand as i said, we probably already complained15:30
JaffaAndy80: hiya :)15:31
timelessbut had no one to listen15:31
zaheermany1 ported the google calendar eds plugin to maemo yet?15:32
fralstimeless: lucky bastard to have snow already!15:32
* timeless has yet to meet a hardware designer at nokia15:32
aSIMULAterit's snowing :( :(:(15:32
RST38hraining here.15:33
RST38hbetter be snowing than raining.15:33
fralsi want snow :< just windy and cold here really15:33
aSIMULAteryou can have our snow15:33
timelessthe precipitate downtown seems to be closer to rain15:33
aSIMULAtertimeless u're back in helsinki?15:33
timelessbut at the airport it was definitely snow15:33
fralssure, send it over to stockholm on the next ship ;)15:34
timelesson the finnair bus a min from the railway center15:34
RST38hyea, bring it on15:34
aSIMULAteri got sick in amsterdam15:34
aSIMULAteri couldn't go to work today cause i'm ill, sucks15:34
aSIMULAterand for the nice information, i barfed about 30 mins ago and feel better15:34
aSIMULAteri wonder if it's all those sandwiches i ate at hte summit15:34
Stskeepsi blame the blue drinks15:35
ensiJaffa: yeah i know that document but its not very comprehensive imho15:35
andre__skype cocktails15:35
timeless/me has been unwell for over a month15:35
Andy80aSIMULAter: food + taking cold at your stomach15:35
* timeless sighs15:35
Jaffaensi: There are examples of getting all the contacts rather than just the main address book in there IIRC15:35
RST38hStskeeps: Wasn't it windshield washing liquid?15:36
Jaffaensi: However, for my purposes, I'm only interested in the main db15:36
JaffaIt was foul.15:36
* Jaffa isn't usually a picky drinker, but couldn't finish it.15:36
timelessanyway.. gotta hop off15:36
fralsaSIMULAter: be glad its not the swine flu, it had me down for a week in bed :p15:36
aSIMULAterdid they give you tamiflu for it?15:36
RST38hfrals: Have you been to the summit?15:36
RST38hWould be fun otherwise =)15:37
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woilokWhich should I buy, the n810 or the n800?15:41
sulxn900 ;)15:41
* ensi runs15:41
woiloktoo expensive lol15:41
woilokensi - got an ipod touch, it sucks15:42
woilokdon't want to bother with an iphone15:42
sulxN810 then...if you want gps+keyb15:42
woilokdon't need gps15:42
woilokand I heard the keyboard isn't all that great15:42
woilokCan you change the keyboard on the n800?15:42
woilokLike to Japanes or Chinese?15:42
sulxno keyboard on N800...just virtual15:42
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woilokCan you change the virtual keyboard to an international language?15:43
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RST38hBuy yourself an HTC Leo =)15:43
RST38hThen suffer.15:43
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crashanddieAnyone else having issues synching gmail through ActiveSync?15:43
kr1shnakdoes anyone know if Nokia are going to put videos of the sessions of the summit online?15:43
crashanddieI can't get my GMail account to work via Exchange... and I want the contacts!15:43
Andy80yes they're15:43
aSIMULAteranyoen who went to the you like the device?15:44
RST38haSIMULAter: Yes. Was that a rhetorical question though?15:45
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aSIMULAterRST38h: u were at the summit?15:46
aSIMULAterhrm maybe i should lie down, staring at the screen is making me feel sick15:46
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Stskeepsgrab the tablet? :P best thing for laying in bed while sick :P15:46
RST38haSIMULAter: I was.15:46
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aSIMULAtergood idea sts, i could use irssi on xterminal and type when i'm puking15:48
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aSIMULAterstaying connected all the time rules15:48
aSIMULAteri guess15:48
RST38haSIMULAter: you should use Mauku for that15:51
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RST38hPuking over IRC is soooo 90s...15:51
aSIMULAterto be honest i want to lay down and rest but15:51
aSIMULAteri have a kitty cat on my lap and15:52
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JaffaaSIMULAter: You shouldn't touch funny smelling things in Amsterdam.15:53
aSIMULAteractually you know what i suspect?15:54
aSIMULAteron friday i went to a really posh 175e per person dinner15:54
aSIMULAterand we had a sampler menu...8 courses15:54
aSIMULAterafterwards my friend's gf started to puke and had stomach problems the next day15:54
aSIMULAtersame thing happened to my coworker who joined us15:54
JaffaOh dear15:54
aSIMULAteri was ok...but on saturday is tarted to feel ill15:54
aSIMULAterand now, i'm really sick...same with my friend who wasn't feeling any sypmtoms before15:55
* Jaffa has had the dinner we had on Saturday described as "very expensive" at 20e per person...15:55
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JaffaaSIMULAter: Bugger.15:55
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aSIMULAteri'm contemplating writing an angry email right now to the restaurant15:55
woilokWhere is a good place to get a n800 for a good price?15:55
Stskeepsyeah, incredible that you have to pay 175e for food poisoning these days15:55
koala_manaSIMULAter: don't do that, mail the health services15:55
aSIMULAterdutch health services?15:56
RST38hThat has been no restaurant. It was karma.15:56
Meizirkkimore thanks to :D15:56
RST38hDropping e175 on a dinner should be really bad for karma, with gluttony being a sin etc =)15:56
aSIMULAterthis restaurant has a 2 star michelin imagine, 4 people sick from their food15:56
aSIMULAterthat'll be bad for their reputation15:57
rangewoilok: Probably depends on where you are. knows a few sellers who still carry that.15:57
StskeepsMeizirkki: yeah15:57
woilokrange - Thanks15:57
woilokHow does the n770 compare to the n800?15:58
woilokMuch difference?15:58
woilokSo even though I can get the n770 for $50 it's still good to spend $150 on an n800?15:58
rangeI'd think so.15:59
rangeIt is much speedier than the 770, has more storage (64GB should be possible) ...15:59
rangeWill mer support the 770? :)16:00
Stskeepsit does, but it's slow, and it won't do GL16:00
glass__spend 200, get both, use the other as a photo display or permanently in wc16:01
woilokIs there anything specific I should look at, or ask, when buying a used n800/n770?16:01
woilokOther than "Does it work?"16:01
Stskeepswoilok: i would avoid a 770 really16:02
Stskeepsand get a n800 or n81016:02
glass__does it work, does the mmc slot(s) work16:02
Stskeepsmake the guy turn it on16:02
Stskeepsand show you the screen working16:02
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rangeSame for speakers and headphones.16:03
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woilokOK cool16:04
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rangeWatch out, the 800 has two SD slots.16:05
rangeWhich both should work .)16:05
woilokThanks Stskeeps, glass__, and range16:05
woilokyeah, one outside and one inside16:05
Stskeeps <- Multiboot for N900 patch committed16:07
woilokIs the n900 really worth the $$$$$$?16:07
Stskeepsyes. loving it.16:07
woilokHow much did you pay Stskeeps?16:08
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Stskeepswoilok: went to Maemo Summit and got one for free for 6 months loan :P16:09
Stskeepslike the rest 300 participants16:10
woilokAre you going to buy it after the loan?16:10
rangeAnd everybody else is silently swearing at Nokia to ship it already.16:11
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fralsi need one so i can start breaking it apart to fix MMS :D16:12
rangeMy 800 is broken, my phone is falling apart so I do need something new :)16:12
woilokrange - get an n77016:12
woilokIt's cheap16:12
Stskeepsbut not a phone16:12
rangeNo. Too slow. Not going back there.16:12
aSIMULAterbuy an iphone i heard they're super awesome and trendy16:13
rangeaSIMULAter: Yeah, but do those have singletouch resistive screens?16:13
rangeif not: Dealbreaker!16:13
woilokCan you PM people at maemo?16:15
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woilokI want to ask some sellers some private questions but I don't see a private message field thingy16:16
Stskeepstalk.maemo or?16:16
wazdflash 10 on n900!16:16
Stskeepswazd: old16:16
wazdStskeeps: whatever :D16:16
woilokI signed up today16:16
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qwerty12_N900omcfadde: Yep, thanks. I didn't realise it was using the accelerometers until I stood upright to play...16:16
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RST38hheya qwerty16:18
qwerty12_N900Moo, RST38h. I'm envious of the firmware version your N900 has... :p16:18
RST38hqwerty: Well it is still the same older device though16:19
crashanddiemaybe I'm seriously stupid16:19
crashanddieBut did T-Mobile just go nuts?
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woilokDo I have to wait or post something in order to send private messages on
RST38hqwerty: the new version appears not to have mce hangups16:20
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qwerty12_N900RST38h: Good. :) I still maintain out of all the firmwares I've tried, 38-16 was the most stable :)16:21
woilokAnyone selling an n810 or n800?16:21
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N900: published bootmenu stuff btw16:21
Stskeepswell, or announced it and pointed to a patch to SVN16:21
qwerty12_N900On Talk?16:22
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qwerty12_N900Thanks, looking...16:22
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Stskeepsnot 100% final but it is really easy to work with16:23
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RST38hqwerty: Something bad is happening with XChat16:24
RST38hqwerty: Both your and Marius' versions now report Python missing on startup and no longer show the user list for the channel16:24
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crashanddieanyway, who thinks he found the perfect data plan for the n900?16:25
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crashanddievoip, no limited unlimited, and under a tenner a month?16:25
qwerty12_N900RST38h: Python missing is nothing (just install python2.5 if you want the support) but user list shows fine here :/16:25
RST38hqwerty: Looks like these problems are somehow related16:26
* RST38h will purge the package and reinstall16:26
crashanddiewoilok: yup16:26
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crashanddiewoilok: I have an n810 I might want to get rid off16:26
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qwerty12_N900rst38h: /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/python* is the python stuff, if you wish to delete it and see if it changes anything16:27
RST38hqwerty: Simply kill off the plugins? In a moment, sir...16:28
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spencer_got a question on the linker with scratchbox... I was not able to link different library on the ar step.. anyone know how do i configure that?16:30
RST38hqwerty: user list does not show up still. Also, going to settings, changing the use rlist location, then OKing the settings crashes XChat16:31
RST38hqwerty: this is with your package. Will be purging and reinstalling in a moment16:31
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qwerty12RST38h: The User list does show up for me, but you are right about the crashing. Will look into that, thanks!16:37
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andre__timeless, did you create the component in bugzilla?16:38
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clmntchdoes anybody know if the 21Mbit/s HSPA+ be a hw limitation or sw limitation?16:50
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spencer_got a question on the linker with scratchbox... I was not able to link different library on the ar step.. anyone know how do i configure that?16:52
woglindeclmntch which umts network yet hast 21Mbit/s HSPA+?16:52
crashanddieclmntch: how about a protocol limitation?16:53
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clmntchi would assume protocol would be some kernel level driver, which i would place in the software category16:55
clmntchwoglinde: i read some where that t-mobile usa might possible support that in the somewhat near distant future16:55
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RST38hqwerty: see the mailing list for firmware16:56
crashanddieclmntch: no, I'm talking about a "bandwidth" limitation which comes from neither Software or Hardware. The truth is the theoretical limit of HSPA+ has never been obtained, hence the "theoretical" name16:56
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clmntchspencer_: ar is a archiver... it just bundles a bunch of .o files...16:58
clmntchspencer_: you want to link the other libs when you link yer .a to the code with main16:58
SpeedEvilHowever, if your program infringes intellectual property, you can't use ar, but need to use yarr.16:58
qwerty12RST38h: Thanks16:59
crashanddieunless you play golf on saturdays, in which case you need to use par16:59
crashanddiealso, if you are a tree-hugger and cycle to work, the command is named car17:00
crashanddieand if you're a bad comedian, it's carr17:00
zerojayI love how Talk is becoming 5 guys fighting each other to make icons and graphics for apps thinking it'll get them an N900.17:00
spencer_clmntch, during my make, ar is complaining on cannot find all the -l arguments when it's making the .a file... how to i fix that then? is it because i don't have a bin make yet??17:00
crashanddiespencer_: how is a program supposed to use files that don't exist?17:01
spencer_crashhanddie, if you mess something up, you better go far.17:01
clmntchi think -l does soemthing different for ar17:01
crashanddiespencer_: tab is king17:01
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RST38hAnyone can suggest where to file the bug about a media player applet?17:05
RST38hIt is not in Desktop Widgets section17:05
woglinderst make a new section?17:06
woglindelets x-fade create one?17:06
woglindeor jeremiah?17:06
RST38hI am filing it to Media Player.17:06
RST38hThese guys can figure it out later17:06
woglindeso why you ask then?17:06
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RST38hwoglinde: I thought someone may have a brighter idea.17:09
zerojayRST38h: Are you on 41-10?17:10
zerojayOk then.17:10
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jjrvHi, I'm mostly guilty for ForecaWeather17:16
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Stskeeps'lo and welcome17:16
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* qwerty12 imagines wazd with an AK-47 in his hands17:17
javispedrohey, that is my trademark salute.17:17
wazdqwerty12: why so?)17:18
RST38hheya javis17:18
javispedrohi RST38h17:18
javispedroglad to see things going back to normal17:18
qwerty12wazd: OMWeather wars, of course!17:18
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RST38hAt Foreca HQ?17:18
omcfaddejjrv: I've found that to be a useful widget, but one thing I've noticed is the update time could be a bit more configurable17:19
jjrvmore or less time or finer tuning?17:19
omcfaddewell, I'd like to have 30min updates for example17:20
wazdqwerty12: competition is the key to developing :)17:20
omcfadde1h is a bit long when the whether is changing quite often (eg Helsinki in Autumn)17:20
jjrvomcfadde, hmm that could be done17:20
qwerty12wazd: You say that, publically, but I can still see that AK-47 behind you :p17:21
omcfaddeideally I think it would be good to have something like how you set the time for an alarm (the hours/mins scrollable lists)17:21
woglindeqwerty ak-47 manufactor is bankruppt17:21
jjrvomcfadde, however only the current conditions might change17:21
cosmojjrv: where does fw download the actual weather data? metar of some foreca proprietary stuff?17:21
qwerty12woglinde: Damn, that sucks. But, hey, it's not like they can't be bought second-hand :p17:22
jjrvcosmo, we're using bunches of sources, eg. many country governments17:22
omcfaddejjrv: right. I wouldn't expect the forecast to be changing all the time17:22
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jjrvcosmo, that's why we can't put up a wide open feed :/17:23
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RST38hTo all happy N900 users: Anyone knows if you can get GPS lock without network connection?17:24
Stskeepswb orbarron17:24
cosmojjrv: i'd like to see some super-detailed mode with for example more detailed wind forecasts17:24
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orbarronyo Stskeeps how was it?17:25
cosmouseful for pilots, sailors, etc who require more than average wx data17:25
jjrvcosmo, currently there's the website link button at least but the browser opens a little slowly maybe17:25
Stskeepsorbarron: was great - met with Ameet and was surprised by the OMAP2 GLES announcement :)17:25
Stskeeps(he had his talk right after mine)17:25
Stskeepsso i understand a little better how your port fits in things now17:26
cosmojjrv: radar animations would also be a really nice addition17:26
woglindestskeep hm where is the omap2 gless announcement?17:26
cosmoi've got access to ilmailulaitos weather portal, but it's a bit slow to use17:26
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Stskeepswoglinde: was announced at the TI/Omapzoom2 talk at summit17:27
woglindestskeep but no inet pressrelease?17:27
Stskeepswoglinde: i guess it makes more sense once there's something to dl, but dunno17:27
cosmoradar animations (in Finland at least) are not "public" data afaik17:27
orbarronyo woglinde17:27
jjrvcosmo, that's true17:28 is awesome.17:28
SpeedEvilAnd has data lots wider than norway17:28
zerojayGAN900, GeneralAntilles: ping?17:29
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RST38hALL: Please, look at the fresh bug trackers at the bottom of and vote as you consider fit17:31
RST38hThese are all filed for Fremantle17:31
jjrvcosmo, the situation in europe is such that government data comes at a price, you notice this easily with maps etc.17:33
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cosmojjrv: yep.. it's a bit silly as they are paid for by taxes17:34
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jjrvcosmo, agreed17:34 got radar maps for free, but you might not be talking about radar weather maps anymore17:34
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cosmowe're talking licensing.. there are a lot of free websites with weather maps, but you just can't steal them17:36
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fralsroger, my bad17:36
cosmofinland's got one of world's most detailed terrain map databases, but it costs big $$$ to get17:38
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cosmoso it can't be used for example in free flight simulators17:39
RST38has long as you only fly over .FI of course?17:39
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cosmothe raw data is available only for purchase17:40
* jaska uses the map to plot bombing run on genimap17:40
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cosmoi've had to use some old nasa's shuttle mission images with crappy resolution17:41
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zerojayAnyone here awake that are on the Fremantle stars mailing list?17:41
qwerty12zerojay: Yep, just flashed17:41
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zerojayqwerty12: My key's at work and I'm off work today. Think you can up both emmc and the new image somewhere for me?17:41
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Stskeeps <- oh dear17:47
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qwerty12I want the flash-jig. I have the cracked Phoenix to go with it...17:48
Stskeepssure it does anything that flasher can't do?17:48
suihkulokkiRST38h: interesting amounf of xterm bugs there, clearly must be the most important app for the device :P17:48
crashanddieqwerty12: do you use exchange with gmail?17:48
qwerty12Stskeeps: I gave a whole exchange of screenshots showing that it can do17:49
zerojaycrashanddie: I do.17:49
Stskeepsqwerty12: hmm, true17:49
crashanddiezerojay: and it works?17:49
qwerty12All of which you will never see in flasher-3.017:49
qwerty12crashanddie: nope17:49
zerojaycrashanddie: Aside from email, yes.17:49
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crashanddiezerojay: oh, so email doens't work "on purpose"?17:49
wazdqwerty12: well, we have some questions to Foreca but they are not bout their widget and pretty senseless now :)17:49
wazdqwerty12: so we better focus on our stuff17:50
zerojaycrashanddie: It doesn't work because of something fucked on Google's end... not on purpose.17:50
RST38hsuihkulokki: But of course :)17:50
crashanddiezerojay: you sure it's google's end?17:50
zerojaycrashanddie: Not 100%, but I'm 100% sure it's not something done on Nokia's end on purpose.17:50
RST38hsuihkulokki: [seriously though, it has been gutted even in comparison to Maemo4 version, that is why]17:50
suihkulokkicrashanddie: I heard reports it worked last week and this week it doesn't (people not using maemo on it tho)17:50
RST38hzerojay: Yes, what do you want?17:51
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zerojayRST38h: Latest flash image already decrypted if you don't mind.17:51
zerojayRST38h: eMMC too, if possible.17:52
RST38hzerojay: Not from work, sorry17:52
RST38hzerojay: I can download it alright, but can't decrypt it here17:52
zerojayIronically, that's my problem right now. I'm not at work, so I can't decrypt it.17:52
crashanddiesuihkulokki: so it's not n900 centric?17:52
* RST38h laughes diabolically17:52
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Jaffaqwerty12: "Phoenix"? Screenshots?17:55
qwerty12Jaffa: Newer versions (quite a few months back, IIRC) support the N90017:56
RST38hqwerty,Jaffa: This is Nokia's internal flashing app, regularly leaked to the Net17:56
Jaffaqwerty12: RST38h: ta17:56
RST38husually used to unlock/update/hack phone firmware17:57
WormFoodis nokia dropping the n8x0 line?18:03
WormFoodthe n900 looks nice, but it is fuckin' expensive!18:04
RST38hHow fucking?18:05
wazdRST38h: fuckin' A :D18:05
SpeedEvilDepending on local rates, 1-100.18:05
luke-jrWormFood: Nokia dropped the N8x0 line a long time ago18:06
WormFoodMaemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead <-- I haven't updated my N800 in quite a while...last time I was here, there were far fewer users here....what is this "Mer", and where do I get it?18:07
infobotsomebody said mer was, or on #mer18:08
WormFoodI thought the new 810 wimax or whatever was released not too long ago18:08
RST38hjavis: Short note18:08
javispedro*opens notepad*18:09
DisconnectWormFood: wasn't released not logn ago, it was discontinued not long ago :/18:09
WormFoodthat is sad18:10 certainly has no n800 devices18:10
WormFoodwhat do people use for a cheap handheld computer now?18:10
WormFoodit feels like just the other day I bought my n800 was almost 2 years ago tho18:10
Disconnectg1 or netbooks depending18:10
javispedroI use the n810.18:10
RST38hjavis: will have to wait, sorry =)18:10
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WormFoodI don't use my n800 a lot, but when I do, it is very handy...I use it mostly for voip, which is the real reason I bought it in the first place.18:11
javispedroI see no real need for updated software so far....18:11
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zerojayWormFood: If it's still useful to you, it doesn't matter if it's discontinued.18:13
SpeedEvilSure it does.18:14
WormFoodoh yeah! I agree 100%18:14
SpeedEvilNo easy replacement.18:14
zerojaySpeedEvil: Why would you need to replace it if it's still useful to you?18:14
WormFoodfor my voip needs, I can just use my N85 phone18:14
WormFoodbut, I do really like the girlfriend uses it to call usa on voip, and still leaves my phone open for normal phone use18:14
zerojayI used my N800 the same way for a long time.18:15
SpeedEvilzerojay: Dropped in toilet.18:16
SpeedEvilzerojay: carried off by owls.18:16
javispedroebay to the rescue.18:16
zerojaySpeedEvil: In which cases, it's no longer useful to you, is it?18:16
javispedroat lot of people are selling their n810's like if there's no tomorrow.18:16
SpeedEvilI wonder why they might be doing that :)18:16
javispedrothe price is not doing going down tho. I actually bought cheaper.18:17
WormFoodwhat was the list price of the N810?18:17
WormFoodI want to say my N800 cost me about $140-15018:17
zerojayI think something like $450.18:17
javispedrodunno. new n810 from nokia costed like €300 last december.18:18
WormFoodI think I bought mine in January of last year18:18
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WormFoodone of my friends wrote the most popular ebook reader for the nokia cell phoned, used in China, and nokia tried to send them a N810, and it was rejected by china customs, twice.18:19
WormFoodcell phoneS*18:19
WormFoodnow I think it would go through customs18:20
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WormFoodI bought a chinese E71 wifi, no 3G, no front camera....same fuckin' price as if it had all that I went to HK and bought the HK model of the E71, with all the features at the same price18:21
luke-jrWormFood: OpenPandora might ship someday18:21
WormFoodchina wanted to develop their own wifi, but now they decided not to18:21
WormFoodwhat is that?18:21
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WormFoodI'm really out of touch with the developments on the N8x0 series18:22
WormFoodooohhh...that looks nice....price?18:22
Stskeepsluke-jr: heard the GLES announcement? even if you don't like lib blobs18:23
luke-jrWormFood: $33018:23
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luke-jrI think so18:24
luke-jrWormFood: might also consider the new Zaurus, if it's not too large for you18:25
WormFoodnew zaurus? haven't heard about that...I have a SL-5500 (zaurus) back "home" in usa18:26
WormFooddo you have a url handy?18:26
WormFoodit isn't for me, a friend was asking about it18:26
WormFoodlinux based?18:28
WormFoodI remember the older japanese zarus-lookalikes were not linux18:28
WormFoodoh yeah, I see now...linux18:28
luke-jrInstalled OS*6  Linux/Ubuntu*7 9.04 (Smartbook Remix for ARM-based systems, Sharp customized version)18:28
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WormFoodi wonder what the price will be on them18:29
luke-jrreviews say kb sucks :(18:30
javispedrolol. Instead of GNU/Linux, Linux/Ubuntu. Stallman must be crying right now :)18:30
luke-jrrealistically, neither GNU nor Linux should be in the title18:30
WormFoodjesus must be spinning in his grave18:30
luke-jrjust Ubuntu, etc18:30
woglindehm at least no atom18:31
qwerty12"Linux/Ubuntu" is funny, but I never refer to Linux as GNU/Linux18:31
luke-jrqwerty12: me either, but I don't refer to GNU as Linux either18:31
woglindebut the bught adobe plugin like nokia18:31
luke-jrLinux is merely a kernel18:31
woglindejavispedro no there no free software18:32
woglindeso you cannt call it GNU/Linux18:32
Shapeshifteris there a variable that can be used when coding for maemo in C that describes the path to the icon dir? or do I need to hardcode the dir?18:32
woglindewhat the hack is this? Optical pointer (optical pointing device)18:33
* luke-jr wonders why SIM wasn't just piggybacked on SDIO so it could be compatible with SDIO things18:33
woglindethis means you can use your laser pointer on the touchscreen or what?18:33
SpeedEvilwoglinde: It might refer to a optical mouse upside-down18:34
SpeedEvilwoglinde: which you rub your finger over18:34
murraycShapeshifter: I think I do more or less the right thing here:
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woglindespeedevil a optical trackball?18:35
murraycShapeshifter: I generally get it from the build system and cause it to be #defined.18:35
woglindehi ph518:35
SpeedEvilwoglinde: basically, yes.18:35
zaheermmurrayc, re: your comment on my blog, i got pointed to some widget examples here last week too18:35
Shapeshiftermurrayc: thanks.18:36
SpeedEvilwoglinde: no moving parts, $1, and if you do it right, you get a free light sensor too18:36
murraycShapeshifter: ACtually, that's not what I thought it was. I'll look again.18:36
murrayczaheerm: Nokia had other people working on examples too. It's a bit fragmented.18:37
murraycShapeshifter: This is my one:
zaheermmurrayc, also thx for the tshitrt, it's got a lovely pattern i'm wearing it today!18:37
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murrayczaheerm: Flickr/blog/facebook yourself in it repeatedly, please.18:38
murrayczaheerm: Sorry we didn't have any more 2009 1/2 ones.18:38
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zaheermmurrayc, 1/2?18:38
murrayczaheerm: We did extra ones this year. They were particularly nice, because I didn't design them.18:39
WormFoodthanks for the conversation and info (especially luke-jr)...I gotta do some work before I take my shower and go to bed...I'll see ya'll l8r18:39
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zaheermmurrayc, i was quite chuffed you managed to get me one in the end! so hey don't apologise at all!18:40
murraycWe care.18:40
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zaheermmurrayc, well and truly flickr'ed18:43
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murrayczaheerm: Your gravity is strange.18:46
zaheermmurrayc, i am on the same earth :)18:47
zaheermbut firefox crashes when i rotate image :)18:48
zaheermmaybe i should do it in microb18:48
qwerty12javispedro: I knew you were evil... 60 days? I bet you've tried. ;P18:49
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javispedroqwerty12: not with n810 tho :)18:50
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qwerty12OK, that makes you slightly less evil :p18:50
javispedroglad to hear that :)18:51
javispedroactually, it's more than 60 days and it's not wm but rather CE, but I'll leave the post as is for comedic pleasure.18:52
zaheermmurrayc, ok so firefox on fedora segfaults, microb on n900 rotated it fine...maybe i should switch my default browser18:52
murraycTechnology is rubbish.18:52
zaheermyah sucks18:54
zaheermespecially stuff i write ;)18:54
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wazdfull veptu replica for hundred bucks :)19:02
javispedrozerojay: who needs user data? porn mode is the new system global standard.19:02
zerojayJust a warning for our Mac using friends.19:03
luke-jrzerojay: not the first time19:05
qwerty12Heigh-Ho, Heigh-Ho, it's off to extras-devel we go19:05
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crashanddieqwerty12 returns to childhood19:08
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hcarregazerojay: lol19:09
hcarregai dont have guest account19:09
crashanddiejavispedro: who needs user data when all the porn in the world is available in streaming!19:10
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penguinbaitI think he returned to neverland19:10
javispedroneverland, the land where your packages will never be promoted.19:10
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penguinbaitno the place where little bots need to hide their package19:11
zerojayluke-jr: Definitely not.19:11
qwerty12only if $user = javispedro19:11
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crashanddieIf you require more information, please write to us at 667, Eternity Lane, D34 TH, UK19:13
* qwerty12 lives at 66619:13
javispedrobtw, did the qa queue start moving again now that there are 300 extra testers?19:14
javispedro<stupid>300, like that movie!</stupid>19:14
zerojayI doubt very many of them are doing any rating, honestly.19:14
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zerojayAt least I'm not noticing a bunch more votes.19:15
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javispedroSpartan King Quim Gil and 300 maemians fight to the last man against Persian "God-King" Steve Jobs and his army of more than one million apps.19:17
zerojayTHIS... IS... MAEMO!19:19
zerojayTake that, shitty fart apps.19:20
* zerojay stabs.19:20
* zerojay gingerly runs around his own apps.19:20
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Stskeepskilled your n900? :P19:49
* EspadaV8_W has to return the n900 tomorrow19:49
Stskeepsaw :P19:49
dragornwhat did you do to kill it19:49
Shapeshiftermh, for some reason my application icon is just a blue square instead of the one I specified. as far as I see I've put the .desktop file in the right place, and the icon is there as well, just as with the example files.19:50
qwerty12EspadaV8_W: Please allow me to rub salt into the wound by saying that mine has to be returned back next year19:50
* EspadaV8_W stabs qwerty1219:50
Shapeshifterexcept scalable19:50
* EspadaV8_W runs off with his phone19:50
SpeedEvilBuying one?19:50
javispedroplease allow me to remove salt from your wound by saying that I STILL DON'T HAVE ONE19:50
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EspadaV8_WShapeshifter: do't you have to include a hex version of the icon in the .desktop file19:50
EspadaV8_Wor something19:50
* EspadaV8_W is just saying words since he has no idea reallt19:51
javispedroShapeshifter: icon in application manager or applications menu?19:51
Shapeshiftermhh... the example desktop file just has Icon=iconname19:51
Shapeshifterjavispedro: applications menu. the application manager doesn't work in the sdk.19:51
Shapeshifteror for me at least.19:51
Firebirdwhat does the blue sphere look like?19:51
javispedroit works, but you need fakeroot-net.19:51
javispedroShapeshifter: run gtk-update-icon-cache19:51
Shapeshifterjavispedro: installed on the host machine?19:51
javispedroShapeshifter, no, inside sbox.19:51
Stskeepsnice, headphone icon in statusbar19:52
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Shapeshifterjavispedro: ah I see, installed fakeroot-net and the manager is working now.19:52
javispedroShapeshifter:  "gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor/" for the icon issue (from memory)19:53
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Shapeshifterjavispedro: mhh, doesn't work. So, I'm not sure if it's my fault... I have icons of correct resolution all named the same in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/ and ...40x40, 26x26, 16x16,... as well. and in my .desktop file which is in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ I have Icon=myiconname19:56
Shapeshifteramong other entries like Exec, Name etc19:57
javispedroShapeshifter: 64x64 icon in /scalable/ ?19:57
Shapeshifteroh, I made install again and now it's there. No icon in scalable. I don't have a real scalable icon (svg). So I should put a 64x64 one?19:58
javispedrothat was for Diablo, and AFAIK for Fremantle too.19:59
Shapeshiftermh okay. thanks.19:59
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* Shapeshifter is now upgrading to final sdk.20:07
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GeneralAntilleszerojay,  RST38h, lbt, pong?20:10
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Stskeepsmorning GeneralAntilles20:10
zaheermanyone seen something like this before? "/scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-objcopy: debian/python-zope.interface-dbg/usr/lib/debug//usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/zope/interface/ Invalid operation20:11
zaheermdh_strip: command returned error code 256"20:11
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: yo.20:13
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qwerty12Jaffa: ttf-droid with optification sent to the Autobuilder20:21
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* tekonivel is reading backlog of
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zerojayqwerty12: I always wondered what the point of the font packages were. I never saw anywhere I could use them.20:28
qwerty12You can use them with the X Terminal (which is where I use it) or play with a theme's gtkrc and make it use the new font20:29
Jaffaqwerty12: Cool20:29
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qwerty12Besides, Jaffa made me upload it for Fremantle :p20:29
Jaffazerojay: And Notes (maybe Conboy)20:29
JaffaX Terminal in particular is handy, tho'20:29
philosopherwould it a good idea to have cairo optimsed to use  omap dsp ?20:29
philosopheror the latency would kill it ?20:30
zerojayqwerty12: Ah, okay... cool.20:30
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Khertan_n900Hello everyone !20:32
philosopherwhere did i saw that name ....20:33
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zerojayKhertan_n900: Hey.20:33
zerojayphilosopher: New to Maemo?20:33
philosopherver new20:34
Khertan_n900Hello timeless and zerojay20:34
philosophermany people a making noise about it now so it got me curious20:34
Khertan_n900Did you think there is a way to force a gtksourceview y20:34
zerojayFor good reason. :)20:34
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Khertan_n900to subclass hildon.TextView instead of a gtk.TextView ?20:35
* ccooke finally arrives back in London20:35
* zerojay yawns..20:35
Khertan_n900without patching the library ... ?20:35
zerojayCan't believe I'm leaving Quebec so soon... nothing's packed.. lol20:35
philosopherwell a systems is only as good as it software20:35
philosopheri hope people do code a lot for it20:35
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philosopherzerojay:  in quebec ? lol20:36
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ccookeannoyingly, my n900 didn't manage to get enough charge to turn on, despite being on usb charge the whole way20:36
Khertan_n900how connection just switch to 3.5G ...20:36
zerojayphilosopher: Yeah.. leaving in a few weeks.20:36
Khertan_n900i think it was 3G only20:36
zerojayCome on Backup... I wanna play Q3 already.20:36
ccookenot so good, really. I imagine they're working on that :-)20:36
RST38hreMoo all20:36
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* GeneralAntilles doesn't know where his keys went.20:37
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philosopherzerojay:  job or familly ?20:37
zerojayphilosopher: My company is opening up a new office in Halifax so I'm moving out there to help open it. Also, my wife and kid don't know french well enough yet, so it'll just work out better for us anyways.20:38
zerojaySo a mix of both.20:38
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Khertan_n900Halifax ? where is it ?20:38
zerojayEast coast of Canada, right by the ocean.20:39
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wazdMayor of Zagreb, Croatia, said that it would be cool if big rockstars will come and sing in his city, like David Bowie and Freddie Mercury. He was very surprised to hear that Mercury died 18 years ago20:39
tekonivelcome on, it should be renamed to Halitwitter already. who uses fax srsly?20:39
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zerojaytekonivel: I'm stealing that. lol20:40
SpeedEviltekonivel: My bank, for one.20:40
SpeedEviltekonivel: internally20:40
SpeedEvilphotocopy + fax20:40
rangetekonivel: Hehe.20:40
philosopherso those who have a dev n900 how is th resistive screen ?20:40
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zerojayI just hope that if Nokia decides to send me that Summit N900 anyways, that I haven't already moved.20:40
RST38hit is ok20:40
EspadaV8#  Section: Only the packages in the user segment are showed by App Installer.20:40
ccookephilosopher: excellent20:40
zerojayphilosopher: Much better than the N810.. much more precise.20:40
EspadaV8what are the valid user segments?20:41
ccookeit really impresses me20:41
tekonivelSpeedEvil: in reality we use fax (occasionally) too; only fax and photocopy are legimate methods to copy official papers with signatures f.ex.20:41
philosopherzerojay:  not to hard to press ?20:41
tekonivelscans are informal, not official20:41
ccookezerojay: theymre also detecting finger presses much better20:41
ccookeI feel fine using he web browser with fingers20:41
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zerojayphilosopher: You don't have to press as hard as on the N810, but it also does a better job detecting presses along with the more finger friendly UI.20:41
fralsthe "did your n900 ship today" thread is pretty funny20:42
zerojayphilosopher: My iPhone friends universally don't press hard enough though. ;)20:42
EspadaV8ah ha, thanks you GeneralAntilles20:42
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: so... are the categories in the n900 wrong?20:42
Khertan_n900philosopher: the touchscreen is really good20:42
timeless_mbpi have strings for them and will translate tonight in a bit if they are20:42
Khertan_n900far away better than any other device i see20:42
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zerojayphilosopher: If you don't mind the 3 hour trip to and from Quebec City, I'd let you try it yourself. Heh.20:42
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philosopheri think i will wait for it to come out20:43
philosopherif it ever does lol20:43
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I think they're OK.20:44
tekonivelwho will be first to make a plugin for the Maemo telepathy framework to follow with?20:44
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, although Nokia is, as usually, highly inconsistent with their capitalization.20:44
philosopheris meamo specificly build for omap platform or you guys plan to support other platforms ?20:44
timeless_mbpi'll fix that20:44
timeless_mbpoh, i have a cool diff to show you :)20:44
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infobotwell, mer is, or on #mer20:46
Stskeepsis community's answer to that20:46
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GeneralAntillesGoddamnit, crashanddie. . . .
* EspadaV8 sighs20:50
EspadaV8building a package isn't easy :(20:50
Khertan_n900EspadaV8nbuilding package on device for python app is really easy :
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zaheermphilosopher, screen is good, pretty responsive....and it feels more accurate for presses than my mum's iphone20:56
philosophermany review seems to have a concern with the screen20:57
Shapeshiftermh, they still haven't fixed the blue/red channel bug in the final sdk.20:57
tekonivelforget maemo; unix never toke the core principles to the extreme. i want plan 9 for my n900!! :)20:57
Stskeepsthen port it20:58
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ShapeshifterIs something supposed to happen when one clicks on an app in the app manager? Like htere's openssh in the list, I assume by clicking on it it should install or something, but nothing happens. is this expected?20:59
EspadaV8don't think that worked too well :(20:59
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RST38hShapeshifter: it is supposed to install the app, but it will ask for approval first21:00
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RST38hIf it does not then you are not clicking hard enough21:00
ShapeshifterRST38h: hard enough >.> I mean in the sdk21:01
tekonivelStskeeps: plan 9 is the holy operating system. hardware is ported to it, not it to hardware. It Is The One21:01
* tekonivel trolling on irc, not doing useful things21:01
* tekonivel is sorry21:01
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* Firebird had a copy of plan9 somewhere21:01
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qwerty12_N810Shapeshifter: edit ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager and change assume-connection to 1. But dpkg kept getting FP errors when I tried using App manager to install...21:02
tekonivelFirebird: l33tness, u has it21:02
RST38hShapeshift: SDK isn't a real tablet, so it is not guaranteed to work21:02
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Shapeshifterqwerty12_N810: I don't have a dir ~/.osso21:03
ShapeshifterRST38h: yeah, I'm just asking >.>21:04
qwerty12_N810Shapeshifter: Hmm, just enable red pill mode and set the assume connection option from application manager itself, then21:05
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EspadaV8anyone had experience packaging a Qt4 app?21:06
LupuNo, but what about of a Qt4 dance?21:07
* EspadaV8 does the Qt4 dance21:07
* Mousey is always happy to have a qt4 dancing with21:07
zerojayDoes anyone else's N900 boot into French by default after reflash?21:07
wazdRST38h: remoo21:07
Mouseymine doesn't21:07
EspadaV8First there was Linux and then there was Mac21:07
Stskeepszerojay: quebecian SIM?21:08
RST38hzerojay: it depends on your location21:08
wazdRST38h: can you help me with theme deb? :)21:08
zerojayStskeeps: Yeah, that could be it then.21:08
EspadaV8Now we've put Windows on the OpenSource track21:08
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RST38hzerojay: You are apparently in some French colony =)21:08
Lupuzerojay: Depends on the variant you flash?21:08
zerojayRST38h: Not for long!21:08
Stskeepszerojay: i have a polish sim so it goes to polish21:08
RST38hwazd: Yea, send it in21:08
zerojayLupu: There aren't any variants.21:08
zerojayOh, hello Ovi Store.21:09
Shapeshifterqwerty12_N810: ah, thanks. that worked.21:09
RST38hwazd: You email the stuff to my gmail account, I reboot to Linux.21:09
Lupuzerojay: Aren't there for eMMC?21:09
wazdRST38h: k, ta21:09
zerojayLupu: Not that I've seen so far.21:10
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javispedroqwerty12_N810: dpkg no longer SIGFPEs here.21:17
qwerty12_N810Ah, good21:17
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Shapeshifterthere's no such thing as a "community repo" in maemo, right? Some repo where people can upload their un-checked packages for others to install at their own risk?21:18
Shapeshifter(as in archlinux)21:18
Shapeshifterso, if I was to make a package for maemo, I would just distribute a .deb, right?21:18
Shapeshifterno repo stuff.21:19
zerojayYou can put it into extras-devel.21:19
zerojayAnd that's where it would GET checked.21:19
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Shapeshiftermh, well it's only for a specific audience (students at our uni, members of the computer science club), so I guess distributing the .deb would be sane, wouldn't it?21:19
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zerojaySure, I guess.21:20
* javispedro sighs at removal of install from .deb in ham. still.21:20
qwerty12_N810No point putting it in extras-devel if only a few people can actually use it :p21:20
Shapeshifterokay. just asking because I'm not used to debs.21:20
zerojayThey would have to install the .deb through application manager using red pill mode though.21:20
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Shapeshifterzerojay: oh.21:20
Shapeshifterah, I see, yeah "install from package".21:20
zerojayIt's the only place where you can install from file.21:20
Shapeshifteror from xterm?21:20
ShapeshifterI mean, just dpkg...21:21
zerojayxterm with dpkg should work too.21:21
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zerojaywhere the fuck did application manager go?21:23
zerojayOh.. second page.21:23
zerojay[14:59] --> You have joined the channel #appmanager (
zerojayBastard. lol21:24
javispedroit's the best channel ever.21:25
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Stskeepsjeremiah_in-tran: home yet?21:27
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qwerty12_N810"tran": the never-stopping train21:27
javispedro... to neverland.21:28
qwerty12_N810Where 1000s and 1000s of N900s reside21:29
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zerojayAll playing Q3 against each other.21:29
zerojayAnd then going to sleep an hour later.21:29
javispedroeither risk the cpu being fried21:29
javispedrooh man, what happened to those old arm cpus clocked at 4x their base freq and still dead cold.21:30
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Lupuzerojay: Where do you get the flash images?21:30
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I think they added GPUs and SIMD units. :D21:30
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zerojayLupu: Links given to us directly by Nokia, individually encrypted and passworded.21:31
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wazdRST38h: catch :)21:33
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timeless_mbpi met someone from White Plains @ Maemo Summit21:33
timeless_mbpanyone have his contact info?21:33
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RST38hwazd: Got it21:36
wazdepic fake video idea: run VNC server on n900 and VNC viewer on n810 :D21:36
javispedrowazd: why not opposite?21:37
wazdjavispedro: not so "OHMYGOD!!!11"ish :)21:37
johnsqwazd: you should run the server on the faster machine21:37
Stskeepswazd: video exists21:37
wazdStskeeps: oh?21:38
Stskeepswazd: thp made one i think, but it was from SDK to n81021:38
wazdStskeeps: damn :)21:39
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zerojaythoughtfix officially retires as a tablet blogger.21:39
wazdRST38h: I want to post it on tmo, so if you can make some shots - that would be cool21:39
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qwerty12_N810zerojay: Maybe he saw how many times he had been thumbed down...21:40
wirelessdreamerI hope the rumor that tmo will pick up the n900 and have a $50 unlimited plan pans out21:40
zerojayThat or he was upset that he didn't get an N900... who knows.21:41
zerojayEither way, smells like butthurt to me.21:41
wazdwas he at the summit?21:41
zerojayNot to my knowledge.21:42
zerojayI think he did apply for sponsorship though.21:42
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* timeless_mbp frowns21:43
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RST38hwazd: I cannot even build it: ThemeMaker sucks moose balls21:43
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RST38hwazd: Somebody should really tell this guy to learn real programming language :)21:44
qwerty12_N810RST38h: Tell him yourself. He's in #maemo right now ;)21:44
javispedroRST38h: err, he's here21:44
crashanddie_who are we talking about?21:45
wazdkonttori__: you should learn real programming language, according to RST38h :D21:45
RST38hWhere is he?21:45
Stskeepspeople should just start learning how to use -theme-tools and -layout-5 and such.21:45
* RST38h looks around with a clear gastronomical intent21:45
zerojaykonttori__: Watch out, he's going to eat you.21:46
konttori__RST38h: yeah, well, I haven't even updated the sources for a long time.21:46
vandenoeveranyone found the compass driver yet?21:46
wazdStskeeps: people *with linux* ;)21:46
RST38hkonttori: I can't make a deb for wazd :(21:46
konttori__and yeah, for hobby projects, I really don't have the time to do nothing but the minimal effort.21:46
konttori__RST38h: deb for what?21:46
RST38hkonttori: for a theme21:46
konttori__with what?21:46
RST38hTheme Maker 1.2.221:47
RST38hWhen I click on Repackage, it ends up with21:47
RST38hError encoding from file /home/fms/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2/marina/usr/share/themes/marina/images/qgn_plat_seek_bar_regular_forward_B_n.png21:47
wazdkonttori__: with TM :D21:47
konttori__what OS?21:47
konttori__did you first build it?21:48
zerojayvandenoever: There's no compass driver because there's no compass.21:48
konttori__also, you should click on make debigan,21:48
konttori__not on repackage21:48
RST38hkonttori: Ubutu, x86, yes, I built it21:48
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konttori__well, click on the make debian21:48
RST38hOk, clicking on make debian21:48
konttori__and copy dpkg-deb from /usr/bin to your theme maker folder21:48
vandenoeverzerojay: oh that's shame, are there perhaps tricks to estimate xy rotation properly?21:49
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zerojayvandenoever: I'm sure someone here has something up their sleves.21:49
RST38hkonttori: done already21:49
RST38hcommand:./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb21:49
RST38hchanged permissions of debian file: ThemeMaker1.2.221:49
RST38hkonttori: no .deb file21:49
vandenoeverzerojay: which is why i'm asking :-)21:49
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konttori__well, if you run on command line ./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb21:50
konttori__will that do the trick for you?21:50
RST38hdunno a moment21:50
qwerty12_N810RST38h: I could've sworn you found the answer to that last time :p21:50
* timeless_mbp frowns21:50
* timeless_mbp looks for someone who was @summit who met someone from FN21:50
RST38hqwerty: Yes but with Java every time is the first time21:50
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* timeless_mbp thinks it must have been Matt21:51
* javispedro wonders if there's anyone apacha xerces dev here21:51
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RST38hfms@endymion:~/Desktop/ThemeMaker1.2.2$ ./dpkg-deb -b marina marina_all.deb21:51
RST38hdpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `marina/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory21:51
RST38hkonttori: No doughnut.21:51
vandenoevertimeless_mbp: FN?21:51
konttori__oh yeah, osx and linux work different21:51
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konttori__do a mv marina/debian marina/DEBIAN21:52
RST38hkonttori: marina only contains directory usr21:52
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konttori__oh, then the building was not successful I suppose.21:52
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konttori__as it's missing the debian folder21:52
RST38hwhy would that be?21:53
konttori__why would what be?21:53
RST38hunsuccessful building21:53
* qwerty12_N810 senses a new tongue-twister is in the making here21:53
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konttori__also, you should dl the latest theme maker (1.2.3)
* RST38h tries building theme again21:54
RST38hyea, 1.2.3 did not work either, but I had some success with 1.2.2 last time21:54
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konttori__I really haven't had the time to test on linux.21:54
RST38h1.2.2 says "Build successfull" but there is no marina/debian dir21:54
konttori__check console21:55
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RST38hHmm... I got it to create DEBIAN but DEBIAN/control is missing21:55
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konttori__do you use sun java?21:56
konttori__that's at least a relief.21:56
RST38hI thought it was write-once-run-anywhere? =)21:57
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RST38hkonttori: Do not take it as insult, but if you simply wrote a C/C++ command line utility to do this, it would be much much better21:57
GeneralAntillescrashanddie_, "Maemo Council" really? :P21:58
RST38hlet me know if you need code to load/save/crop .pngs, I have some21:58
crashanddie_GeneralAntilles, I knew you'd come back to me, what do you want in there?21:58
GeneralAntilles"Maemo Community Council"21:58
qwerty12_N810crashanddie_: Yeah, make it " council"21:58
konttori__RST38h: well, please make such a tool and create a UI for windows, osx and linux. I know it's not stable atm on anything else but osx, but that's just because I haven't started stabilizing it for any other os yet.21:59
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SpeedEvilOr just do it in php21:59
SpeedEviland jam it on a server somewhere21:59
konttori__mostly because of lack of time. So, if you want to help, I'll send you the code and you can work on making sure it runs on linux.21:59
RST38hkonttori: I am too lazy+busy to create the tool itself, but as I have the code for cutting pngs already, it is yours for taking21:59
konttori__well, I'm not going to write that on c/c++.22:00
RST38h(besides you arealdy know how each piece of the theme is called :))22:00
konttori__if anything, I would have written it on python with hindsight, but, the point for the tool atm is just maturization.22:00
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konttori__to which I have about 4 hours per month time.22:01
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RST38hPython would probably do better than Java, ironically...22:01
konttori__time + patience. I am really dead after getting fremantle done, and really don't have the patience to hack at all in the evenings.22:01
konttori__well, python and java are both great languages and tons better than c/c++ for writing anything for UI or writing anything quickly.22:02
* konttori__ would prefer javascript over c/c++ any day22:02
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johnsqkonttori__: then you should learn lua22:03
fralswheres the code in question? i got exam week coming up so looking for anything to fill my spare time with ;P22:03
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RST38hkonttori: For this particular utility, C/C++ will do just fine22:04
RST38hkonttori: As long as you are not doing the UI of course22:04
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RST38hfrals: A moment22:04
RST38hfrals:Get 1.2.3 form here:
RST38hfrals: try to make it work under x86 Linux22:05
RST38hwazd: I am sorryL this thing just does not work =(22:05
fralsill have a look at it, not making any promises whatsoever ;)22:05
konttori__johnsq: I like the perf of lua, but the syntax is not really my cup of tea. It is a really powerful script language though.22:05
konttori__RST38h: well, nokia has made already a stiching tool, for the job. theme-tools or something like that if I remember right22:06
konttori__and yeah, command line is just fine for a hacker.22:06
konttori__but then again, now that you have an issue with the control file, you can just write the file and the finish by running the dpkg-deb22:07
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konttori__feel free to use this as basis:
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fralsRST38h: ehm yeah, garage seems pretty dead... ;<22:09
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RST38hkonttori: oh, maybe tha will work...22:11
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GeneralAntillesSomebody still needs to teach Nokia how to make universal binaries22:17
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qwerty12_N810Somebody needs to ditch their Mac22:18
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GeneralAntillesSomebody's going to get theirselves hit.22:19
javispedrouniversal binaries? we have better: .install files that make the user device pull its preferred version22:20
qwerty12_N810No need to hit Nokia, just because they don't see the value in PPC Macs...22:20
GeneralAntillesDon't have one of those anymore.22:20
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qwerty12_N810Ah, congrats22:20
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: universal binaries? You mean java? :)22:20
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, no, I mean packages with x86 and PPC binaries.22:21
GeneralAntillesCurrently Nokia is distributing two separate installers for x86 and PPC.22:21
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, dual E5520. :P22:21
* qwerty12_N810 looks at his computer and sighs :(22:21
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* frals pets his q955022:22
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javispedroI wonder why #appmanager is still alive ;)22:22
zerojayWow, yeah, that autoaim is pretty fucking hardcore, GeneralAntilles. lol22:22
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GeneralAntilleszerojay, like I said on Talk. There was a time I'd call that demo "evidence". :D22:23
zerojayInstantly snaps to the other person.. wow. haha.22:23
zerojayNo kidding.22:23
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GeneralAntillesSo who's going to be the first to find Nokia's stupid boot animation?22:26
qwerty12_N810It would be nice if one could hide the installer packages in the Application manage22:26
RST38hwhat are those installer packages?22:26
qwerty12_N810I mean, who's gonna install the installer to install whatever app that installer is targeting?22:27
RST38hwhat is the point?22:27
* |R thinks the next 3 weeks are going to be psychological torture with everyone from the summit posting vids!22:27
Tadthebuildernot really torture...22:27
Tadthebuildertorture is like waterboarding22:27
qwerty12_N810RST38h: Beats me.. <41 was free of having them pre-installed :/22:28
|Rhaha, yeah ok, i'll get "posting video of unreleased products" added to the geneva convention ;)22:28
Tadthebuilderdo that22:28
Tadthebuilderthen ill agree that its torture22:28
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* Tadthebuilder still has not gotten around audible drm...22:30
* frals is comfort-eating saffron buns (lussebullar!) while waiting for the N90022:30
* qwerty12_N810 gives Tadthebuilder a tape recorder ;P22:30
TadthebuilderI got my cd burner working22:30
Tadthebuilderso I can burn it and rip it22:30
GeneralAntillesChrist, Ovi goes first22:31
Tadthebuilderits a pain though22:31
GeneralAntillesWhat a ripoff.22:31
TadthebuilderI will never buy another audible book22:31
GeneralAntillesandre__, ping?22:31
SpeedEvilTadthebuilder: _please_ contact the publisher to tell them this.22:31
andre__GeneralAntilles, pong22:31
ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: ovi goes first?22:31
Tadthebuilderactually I may contact the author as well :)22:31
GeneralAntillesandre__, we need a 5.0 version22:32
Tadthebuilderim a regular at his blog.22:32
Myrttiwe need a better audiobook player22:32
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, Nokia demoted the application manager down a level in favor of the fucking Ovi Store.22:32
andre__GeneralAntilles, where?22:32
Myrttias I've said before22:32
andre__there is 5.0 for most stuff I think22:32
andre__i did it yesterday evening22:32
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GeneralAntillesandre__, ah, nevermind.22:32
andre__if i missed something please say :)22:32
GeneralAntillesI see it.22:32
andre__version still has not sorting22:32
Tadthebuilderwait whats this about the ovi store and application manager?22:32
GeneralAntillesandre__, where do you want my critical bug about the Applications menu sorting? :P22:32
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: Shit, you're right22:33
qwerty12_N810Want me to do a package that swaps them?22:33
GeneralAntillesWhat a slap in the face.22:33
GeneralAntillesNo, I want Nokia to fix it.22:33
Tadthebuilderthey put the nokia controlled ovi store22:33
GeneralAntillesThe Ovi Store link goes to THE FUCKING BROWSER22:33
andre__heh? just put it on my desk :-P22:33
andre__yes, that is correct22:33
Tadthebuilderin a higher more prominent place than the application manager which is community controlled22:33
GeneralAntillesPutting it in Home, andre__.22:34
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andre__GeneralAntilles, yeah, somewhere under Desktop is always fine22:35
Shapeshiftermh? So, there's two links, one to the application manager and one to the ovi store browser page?22:35
Shapeshifterand the ovi one comes first22:35
Shapeshifteron the same page.22:35
Shapeshifterwho cares >.>22:36
Tadthebuilderdoes this actually impede the use of the device?22:36
timeless_mbpShapeshifter: picture?22:36
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, no, the application manager is hidden away in a lower level.22:36
qwerty12_N810Shapeshifter: No, not on the same page.22:36
Shapeshifterno, I'm asking, for clarification, I don't have any pictures...22:36
ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: oh I see.22:36
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ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: well, do you have a picture?22:36
andre__yeah. ovi store was put in a more prominent place instead. looks like nokia wants to make money with the n900 ,-))22:36
Shapeshifterwell, sure sucks.22:36
andre__actually i wonder why this office viewer stuff is in extras. it's just annoying trial software.... grumble. can't they dumb that into Ovi?22:36
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, it's a nice slap in the face for all of the developers who've spent so much time getting their applications ready for Fremantle only to be hidden away in the back in favor of Nokia's hyperlink.22:37
TadthebuilderI see22:37
vandenoeverandre__: there's be a FOSS one there soon22:37
Tadthebuilderdoesnt that also22:37
Tadthebuildercause problems for nokia22:37
wazdRST38h: no luck with deb? Ah, thanks anyway :)22:37
qwerty12_N810andre__: It's not trial for me (I still have the binaries of the old version)...22:37
GeneralAntillesPlus, since you can't reorganize the applications menu22:37
Tadthebuilderwho expect the community to bring forward alot of software22:37
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GeneralAntillesI don't want to have to tap a bunch of times to get to h-a-m22:37
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SpeedEvilIsn't that assuming that free apps can't go in the store?22:38
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: You'll be told to make a shortcut on the desktop :/22:38
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: i expect someone to replace hildon-desktop :)22:38
fralscosts you 50€ or smth to sign up for ovi store thou22:38
andre__qwerty12_N810, uhh?22:38
andre__GeneralAntilles, add a link to the desktop ;-)22:38
qwerty12_N810andre__: The old, old versions didn't ask for a serial :p22:38
Tadthebuilderisnt part of the problem22:39
Tadthebuildernot that it cant be worked around22:39
Tadthebuilderbut that new users who are unfamilar with this community will not know of the work around?22:39
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Tadthebuildera random person who picks up the device might never even learn abotu the second source of software installation?22:39
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andre__qwerty12_N810, so send them to me! now! if not, no cookies for you!22:40
qwerty12_N810Really, I think everyone with an application in extras-devel should become a Nokia partner. More exposure that way22:40
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Shapeshiftermh... why does hildon_entry_new return a GtkWidget* and not a HildonEntry* ?22:41
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timeless_mbpShapeshifter: gtk is fun :)22:42
Shapeshifter(HildonEntry*)hildon_entry_new "fixes" this, but it seems a bit random22:42
Shapeshifteranyway it seems like with gtk you spend half of the time casting stuff.22:42
* Tadthebuilder hates audible22:43
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timeless_mbpShapeshifter: welcome to C :)22:45
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: someone was supposed to write a deb to fix that22:46
timeless_mbpi hoped you guys would promote it to extras :)22:46
Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: so this is a C specific property? Until recently, I've only done python + PyQt. Or is this always like this with gtk?22:46
timeless_mbpGtk - C is full of casts22:47
qwerty12_N810timeless_mbp: Ironically, that approach requires the user actually finding the Application manager first :)22:47
timeless_mbpqwerty12_N810: not true22:47
GeneralAntillesChrist, more installer apps. Really? :\22:47
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: i'm told there were a bunch22:47
GeneralAntillesHey, look at that, "Maemo Extras" is disabled, too.22:48
timeless_mbpbut i didn't have time to play w/ a maemo summit device22:48
Tadthebuilderviva la revolution22:48
timeless_mbpit is?22:48
GeneralAntillesHopefully that'll change before final release.22:48
Tadthebuilderviva la maemo22:48
EspadaV8ok, i'm sure this packaging guide could be better, because nothing seems to work :(22:48
qwerty12_N810timeless_mbp: Cool. I'd love to see that .install hit the Ovi Store22:49
* timeless_mbp kicks bluetooth22:50
Tadthebuilderhow do you kick something like bluetooth?22:50
Tadthebuilderthat take skill22:50
timeless_mbpnot sure22:51
timeless_mbpit involves a certain amount of randomness22:51
timeless_mbpsometimes you hit the wifi radio instead22:51
andre__GeneralAntilles, can you please convince me that having app manager under "More" is a huge usability issue? because otherwise i'd realistically call it an enhancement request22:51
* andre__ playing bad cop22:51
GeneralAntillesandre__, so you've just gotten your new device out of the box and turned it on.22:52
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GeneralAntillesandre__, what are YOU going to want to get to first, Ovi Store or h-a-m?22:52
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GeneralAntillesandre__, also: are hyperlinks applications?22:52
GeneralAntillesBecause last time I checked they weren't. ;)22:52
GeneralAntillesHyperlinks belong on the desktop.22:52
andre__Store implies Buying to me22:53
* RST38h would not care about either22:53
GeneralAntillesI see both Ovi Store and Maemo Select on the desktop.22:53
* RST38h would just make a phone call instead =)22:53
andre__but I wonder how many average users know about the free apps in h-a-m22:53
GeneralAntillesWhy do we need a second copy of the Ovi Store hyperlink in the __applications__ menu.22:53
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andre__maybe Calculator could be moved to More instead, then App Manager and Ovi Store can both be at first level - how does that sound?22:53
Tadthebuilderhow about we wirelessly hack into everyone n900 and add it...jk22:54
ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: well, to "_get_ applications". Though I completely agree demoting the applications manager is daft.22:54
* RST38h does not understand what General and andre are talking about22:54
GeneralAntillesandre__, would work.22:54
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qwerty12_N810andre__: +122:54
GeneralAntillesRST38h, Ovi Store replaced h-a-m in the root level of the applications menu.22:54
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* qwerty12_N810 uses RST38h's ATI85 when he needs a calculator22:54
GeneralAntillesandre__, though I still don't think a hyperlink belongs in the applications menu.22:55
RST38hAn average user will not care about installing extra apps out of the boox. He will just use this thing as a phone.22:55
RST38hGeneral: I know. It looked weird.22:55
Tadthebuilderif you pay 600 bucks for a device22:55
Tadthebuilderyou want more than to make phone calls on it22:55
Tadthebuilderif you just wanted to make phone calls youd get a 30 dollar phone22:55
RST38hGeneral: But as I do not like this Desktop->TaskMan->Menu->More->Scroll thing in general, I do not care about its implementation details22:55
Tadthebuilderyou can bet that if I paid that much for a phone i wouldbe looking for programs to install on it22:56
Tadthebuildereven if I was a bumbling idiot who knew nothing about computers22:56
RST38hGeneral: IMHO, the whole scheme is broken, it takes too many clicks22:56
* GeneralAntilles sighs.22:57
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GeneralAntillesHey, johnx.23:01
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johnxhey GA23:01
johnxbarely alive23:01
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johnxgonna sleep for like 14 hours and see if this death-plague goes away23:02
Stskeepslo johnx23:02
Stskeepssick too?23:02
SpeedEviljohnx: Good luck.23:02
johnxthanks SpeedEvil23:02
* SpeedEvil hopes johnx does not wake up a Zombie.23:02
* GeneralAntilles color faxes johnx some chicken soup.23:02
Tadthebuilderwe may need to prepare for that speed evil23:03
konttori__GeneralAntilles: on users devices, there will be links on home to both maemo select and ovi23:03
Tadthebuildergo read zombie zurvival guide and world war z23:03
Tadthebuilderso we are prepared23:03
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GeneralAntilleskonttori__, thus, there's no need for the Ovi Store hyperlink in the applications menu. :)23:03
johnx'see you after I either get well or return undead (bonus if you can tell the difference)23:03
GeneralAntilleskonttori__, especially not if it's pushing h-a-m down a level. :)23:03
konttori__ovi link on the launcher was indeed a bit unfair in my opinion, but otoh, it does makes business sense.23:03
GeneralAntilleskonttori__, which benefits Nokia and its commercial partners.23:04
GeneralAntillesNot the people actually paying money to use the device. :)23:04
konttori__as, that is promoting the ovi applications slightly more23:04
SpeedEvilCan free apps go inthe ovi store?23:04
GeneralAntillesWhy would you want them to for €50?23:04
SpeedEviljust asking. diddn't know there was a fee23:05
konttori__ovi will bave both free and paid content23:05
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konttori__it will also have a selection of bgs, themes, ringtones and such23:05
konttori__so, it's not only apps that will be there23:05
GeneralAntillesHooray for Ovi's $1.99 backgrounds. <_<23:06
konttori__ok. night23:06
GeneralAntillesWelcome to cellular hell, Maemo.23:06
konttori__bgs are not paid content23:06
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Tadthebuilderthats why that one guy set a free backgrounds site23:06
Tadthebuilderwith the cooll super mario oejns23:06
Tadthebuilderthats what Id use23:06
Tadthebuilderif I had a n90023:06
SpeedEvilUntil sega gets annoyed and sends DCMA23:07
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Tadthebuilderget annoyed from super mario brothers23:07
Tadthebuilderthat would be strange23:07
* SpeedEvil sighs.23:08
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TadthebuilderIt does seem that alot of companies over look things like that though23:08
SpeedEvilyeah - depending on stuff23:08
Tadthebuilderthey want to sell one for 1.99 a piece in the ovi store23:09
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* GeneralAntilles prepares to file lots of bugs tonight.23:10
* timeless_mbp has a bunch of fun bugs to file23:11
GeneralAntillesI haven't been paying any attention at all to Bugzilla in the past few months.23:11
GeneralAntillesGonna be fun playing the "watch for dupes" game.23:11
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Shapeshifterugh, my C is really bad :| if I get the contents of a HildonEntry* using hildon_entry_get_text(my_hildon_entry); this will return a const gchar*. How can I "save" this const *gchar as a *gchar (basically copying it), so that I don't get a " assignment discards qualifiers from pointer target type" anymore?23:14
Shapeshifterbecause I don't really want the pointer to the content of the entry, but the content.23:14
GeneralAntilleszerojay, you push the backgrounds to Extras yet?23:14
qwerty12_N810ShadowJK: I guess you could g_strdup() into a new gchar* that is not const, but bear in mind that my C is very shit23:15
qwerty12_N810Sorry, ShadowJK23:16
tbfShapeshifter: hildon_entry_get_text() is deprecated with recent hildon23:16
tbfShapeshifter: just use gtk_entry_get_text()23:16
Shapeshiftertbf: okay thanks, will do that. but the issue remains.23:16
tbfShapeshifter: but like qwerty12_N810 said: if you want to keep a private copy, you have to g_strdup() it23:17
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tbfShapeshifter: if not, declare your variable as "const char *"23:17
Shapeshifterah, qwerty12_N810, thanks.23:17
* wazd listens to Queen - Somebody to Make a Theme Deb 23:17
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: No, not yet. I haven't gotten around to building the package in the SDK yet. Maybe tonight.23:23
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GeneralAntillesblah blah blah blah still lazy.23:23
Shapeshifterso, in C with gtk, my simple app is already taking up 620 lines, while the corresponding bash script has about 50.23:23
Shapeshifterthere's so much redundancy with this C gtk thing >.>23:24
lardmanevening all23:24
lardmanhave just made it back, so nice to be home23:24
qwerty12_N810Hiya, lardman23:25
lardman(the summit was great though, but I really need more sleep and less drinking!)23:25
lardmanhey qwerty12_N81023:25
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GeneralAntillesAnybody looking for a live demo. ;)
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Shapeshifteryaay n900 price dropped again in my favourite store.23:26
fralsyeah GeneralAntilles, its quite nice that live demo23:26
Shapeshifterby a blazing 50 bucks23:26
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fralsthat page almost worked on the n900 as well ^^23:26
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: I heard about your passport problems. Really sorry you couldn't make it over23:27
GeneralAntilleslardman, yeah, only 28 hours late because they didn't bother to overnight it like I paid for. <_<23:27
GeneralAntillesWhat can you do?23:27
lardmanrubbish :(23:27
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: Rampage?23:28
lardmanis there a Python interface to mapwidget?23:28
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, hullo, gitmo.23:29
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lardmanGeneralAntilles: shave the beard before you rampage, and be careful of your headwear?23:30
qwerty12_N810I hear the sandwiches there are horrible23:30
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lardmanovi maps really is craptastic23:32
tbflardman: with calling it "craptastic" you still praise this crap23:34
lardmantbf: right you are23:34
lardmanI was impressed that it sometimes had problems finding "Amsterdam"23:35
* qwerty12_N810 makes sure to not use that word when describing lardman's stuff23:35
lardmanqwerty12_N810: I'd take that as a complement, especially if it describes my GUI designs ;)23:35
tbflardman: yup. you'll have to try again later, when the map severs recovered from the shock23:36
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tbflardman: **shock** an user!23:36
lardmantbf: shame it doesn't let you know that that is the problem23:36
tbflardman: run and hide!23:36
tbf(the servers say)23:36
lardmanlol @ comment from texrat: "users don't care about developers", well the feeling is mutual don't they know....? ;)23:37
tbflardman: even more nuts is, that it queries those servers for every letter you type in the search dialog23:37
lardmanoh really, that sounds very efficient23:37
tbflardman: well, and i really wonder why they cannot use a proper title bar23:37
lardmancross platform with symbian or somesuch23:37
lardmanbut yes23:37
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tbflardman: i know this UI for months now and still i am very cautious when tapping those random looking icons in its weird titlebra23:38
lardmansame here23:38
code177afternoon !23:38
tbflardman: guess it's more suffering from web 2.0 boys syndrom23:38
lardmanI wonder if we could just have the renderer api exposed and write our own23:38
ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: how hard do you need to press the screen?23:38
ShapeshifterGeneralAntilles: and do you need the nail?23:38
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tbflardman: there is no rendering API23:38
tbflardman: it just fetches images from the server and shows them in some AJAX UI23:39
lardmanoh, it fetches images does it?23:39
lardmanI thought it was vector based.....?23:39
tbflardman: have not found any evidence of that yet23:39
tbflardman: but i could be wrong23:40
lardmanhmm, well it renders lines rather than tiles as it downloads23:40
tbflardman: really? i'm sure i saw it rendering tiles. well. dunno. gave up on this crap app.23:41
lardmanit may fetch blocks of vector data perhaps? But I've not done any investigation so am just going from gut feeling23:41
tbflardman: my boss has contacts to some real navigation device makers and i lobbied them into lobbying them to port to maemo :-D23:41
lardmantbf: yeah, but if we could use vector backend data, if that's what it uses, it would be a nice on-device mapping source23:41
tbflardman: i hope so badly that he manages to convince them.23:42
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, it's very sensitive.23:42
GeneralAntillesI had live shows where they ignore the chat. <_<23:42
tbflardman: even would pay some other 100, 150 bucks for a proper navigation software on that device23:42
zerojayShapeshifter: You almost never would need to use a nail anymore.23:42
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tbfhem. i lobbied __him__, not "them"23:43
* ShadowJK 's been using his N810 with fingers/thumbs23:45
ShadowJKnow I can't get the smudges off :(23:45
ShapeshifterShadowJK: purified water + a drop of vinegar essence = perfect cleaning solution23:47
Shapeshifter+ cotton cloth23:47
ShadowJKwtf is vinegar essence23:47
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ShapeshifterShadowJK: mhh, concentrated vinegar used to make your own vinegar23:48
ShadowJKthere's "wine vinegar" in the cupboard23:48
Shapeshifterlike, you mix it with apple juice and you get apple vinegar23:48
ShadowJKthe left side of my n810 sceen is sensitive enough that even with 8 point font size I can hit the right line of text with thumb no nail most of the time23:49
ShadowJKjust lightly touching23:50
code177i'm going to be so happy when i find a way to get an n900 to canada23:50
ShadowJKcenter takes serious effort to get any response at all23:50
ShadowJKI think others have experienced same thing with N8x0...23:50
ShadowJKbut, does anyone remember if it was like that as new or if it came witn time23:51
* GeneralAntilles waits to see if Charbax starts ranting about how much he loves Android.23:51
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EspadaV8_N900last night i get to sleep with the n900 :-(23:58
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