| qwerty12_N810 | Shapeshifter: Looking at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkDialog.html#gtk-dialog-response, that should be passed for you automatically | 00:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | I see. thanks. | 00:01 |
| johnq | Is there some document describing the limitations of the maemo platform (i.e. automatically accepting calls, playing sounds inside of calls, replacing system components, ...)? | 00:03 |
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| GAN800 | God god Ovi Maps is completely and utterly useless. | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | why? | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800++ | 00:23 |
| * Firebird is about to burn a 180mb image onto a 4.7GB DVD :o | 00:23 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | At least the Maemo Mapper author has declared his intentions to make a Fremantle version... | 00:26 |
| Stskeeps | thank god for that | 00:26 |
| cvandonderen_ | what was the deal again with scratchbox and the DNS? | 00:26 |
| cvandonderen_ | it cannot resolve anything | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | check /scratchbox/etc/resolf.conf | 00:28 |
| cvandonderen_ | Stskeeps: it seems to be the nsswitch, found it | 00:29 |
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| cvandonderen_ | aw, not | 00:30 |
| cvandonderen_ | in reolv.conf it has: | 00:30 |
| cvandonderen_ | nameserver 80.79.34.246 | 00:30 |
| zgold_ | has anybody been able to load python widgets to the desktop in fremantle? | 00:30 |
| cvandonderen_ | nameserver 80.79.34.250 | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zgold_: I believe there's a bug open about that | 00:31 |
| zgold_ | ahhhh ok | 00:31 |
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| zgold_ | google seemed to indicate i wasnt alone | 00:31 |
| tekonivel | just toke this photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/xmacex/3999273234/ | 00:31 |
| tekonivel | neighbour doesn't realize his/her data projection leaks out the window | 00:32 |
| zgold_ | do you know if text entry is possible in adesktop widget? | 00:32 |
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| tekonivel | it doesn't look large it in photo, bu it is (compare with the windows) xD lol | 00:32 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zgold_: No, that's a restriction of a desktop widget I believe | 00:32 |
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| tekonivel | everyone will know if he/she si watching p0rn | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 00:33 |
| tekonivel | it's just a small part of the screen, maybe 1/15 of the screen, but a lol nevertheles | 00:34 |
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| zgold_ | qwerty12_N810: tyvm.. you've been most helpful. are yo at the summit? | 00:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zgold_: Nope :) | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, it's like it was ported by a class of 3rd graders. | 00:37 |
| zgold_ | aw ok, ill have to thank you in person next year | 00:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | heh | 00:38 |
| cvandonderen_ | hmm, my DNS still doesn't work, even after switching the nameserver to the one my host also uses.... | 00:38 |
| cvandonderen_ | in the armel target | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Like Stskeeps said, did you also look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf ? | 00:39 |
| cvandonderen_ | qwerty12_N810: yes | 00:40 |
| cvandonderen_ | that was | 00:40 |
| cvandonderen_ | nameserver 80.79.34.246 | 00:40 |
| cvandonderen_ | nameserver 80.79.34.250 | 00:40 |
| cvandonderen_ | and then I changed it to nameserver 192.168.1.1 (what my host has) | 00:40 |
| cvandonderen_ | and it still doesn't work | 00:40 |
| Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/649813 the checkbox shows up fine, any clues why hildon_check_button_get_active doesn't return TRUE or FALSE? | 00:40 |
| Shapeshifter | oh I think I know why... it's a gboolean, not a gboolean* | 00:44 |
| Shapeshifter | that's a bother. | 00:45 |
| Shapeshifter | yet another signal for something trivial. | 00:45 |
| Shapeshifter | -.- | 00:45 |
| javispedro | uh? | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | well with text entries I can simply do: creds->username = gtk_entry_get_text(username_field); and later do g_signal_connect (creds_dialog, "response", G_CALLBACK (process_creds), creds); and when the signal gets emited "process_creds" receives the pointer to the content of the field and everything is nice | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | but I can't just do creds->save = hildon_check_button_get_active(save_password_checkbox); like the others | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | because it's not a pointer and now I have to make a function for the "toggled" signal to switch creds->save | 00:47 |
| javispedro | O.o | 00:48 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: you shouldn't do that. | 00:48 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: what should I do? | 00:48 |
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| javispedro | the pointer returned by gtk_entry_get_text may get invalid whenever gtk wants. | 00:48 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: why? | 00:48 |
| javispedro | because gtk may realloc it, for example. | 00:49 |
| Shapeshifter | it's in a dialog | 00:49 |
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| javispedro | if the user decides to write 1000 chars between you getting the pointer and the user clicking OK -> crash. | 00:49 |
| Shapeshifter | and if the user clicks "proceed" I'm checking if the two entry fields are empty and if not I save them somewhere | 00:49 |
| javispedro | a. | 00:49 |
| Shapeshifter | huh | 00:49 |
| Shapeshifter | but that is insane... what should I do then? | 00:49 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, I need to access the content of the fields somehow >.> | 00:50 |
| Shapeshifter | and pass them on to a callback | 00:50 |
| javispedro | how are you calling the dialog? gtk_dialog_run? | 00:50 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 00:50 |
| Shapeshifter | I'll just pass the dialog | 00:50 |
| Shapeshifter | or rather, the dialog gets passed anyway | 00:51 |
| Shapeshifter | gtk_widget_show_all(creds_dialog); | 00:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh. but the dialog doesn't really have the fields as children | 00:51 |
| Shapeshifter | how complicated. | 00:51 |
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| javispedro | so either you save references to widgets and use them to read dialog controls state, or you connect all "changed" signals and replicate the dialog's controls state. | 00:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah | 00:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | so it doesn't just realloc widgets? | 00:57 |
| Shapeshifter | but widget content. | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Google Voice really has trouble with names. | 01:04 |
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| johnq | Is there some chance to get usb host mode for the n900 (with a software update)? The Openmoko Freerunner also has host mode with a simple mini connector. | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unknown. | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Currently it seems like the answer is no. | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that may be more short answer = no. | 01:08 |
| Shapeshifter | johnq: roumored to be possible ^^ | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | johnq: It seems logical that it is plausible with a cable. | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, OTG isn't supported. | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | johnq: However - the exact details yes or no have not been revealed. | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the USB consortium was evil about things. | 01:08 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: how so? | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yes - OTG and 'switch the CPU to host mode, which happens to use the same pins as slave mode' are different things | 01:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | They couldn't get it to play right with USB charging and were planning on releasing an update afterwards, but I think the USB consortium told them to kill any possibility in hardware or they wouldn't certify the device. | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, yeah, unknown right now. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're still talking about the couple of mails that were on the list a while back - I read them as a bit ambiguous. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | need more data. | 01:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | this makes me not like usb anymore. | 01:13 |
| javispedro | you liked usb? bah. | 01:14 |
| javispedro | it's the usual result of the "worse is better" rule. | 01:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | from a user perspective, the only dumb thing about usb was that it's hard to plug em in blindly >.> | 01:15 |
| Shapeshifter | other then that, "it just works" | 01:15 |
| Shapeshifter | "almost everywhere" | 01:15 |
| johnq | yes, OTG is not so important, host mode with some hardware adaptor would be enough | 01:15 |
| Mek | usb you can at least not plug in blindly in the wrong way... I once ruined a fireware controller by plugging in a firewire cable blindly the wrong way around... | 01:15 |
| * timeless waves from ibis | 01:15 | |
| * Mek waves back from ibis | 01:16 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mek, how in the world did you manage that? | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, where'd you end up? | 01:16 |
| Mek | just push hard enough? a firewire cable does fitthe wrong way arround if you apply enough forc... | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, in my room, I see. ;) | 01:17 |
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| EspadaV8 | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4078 | 01:18 |
| EspadaV8 | ooohhh | 01:18 |
| EspadaV8 | nice :) | 01:18 |
| timeless | some place | 01:18 |
| Shapeshifter | meh, plasma. but nice, sort of... | 01:18 |
| Mek | EspadaV8: ah, my blog post hit a planet I guess... :) | 01:18 |
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| EspadaV8 | that's you Mek | 01:19 |
| EspadaV8 | ? | 01:19 |
| Mek | EspadaV8: yeah | 01:19 |
| Shapeshifter | huh, "all attendents"? you all got one? | 01:19 |
| * EspadaV8 wish he had one for 6 months :( | 01:20 | |
| EspadaV8 | mine has to go back on wednesday :( | 01:20 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has one for a year | 01:20 | |
| EspadaV8 | :( | 01:22 |
| * Corsac doesn't have any | 01:22 | |
| Corsac | and still no official release date? | 01:23 |
| GAN800 | Rumors say October | 01:23 |
| EspadaV8 | yeah, it's getting late in the month, esp if they were only giving away pre-production phones | 01:24 |
| javispedro | enjoying your pacts with the devil I guess? | 01:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | creds_dialog = gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons("Please enter credentials", info->window, GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT, "Proceed", 12, NULL); any idea why the response seems to be -3 when I click on "Proceed"? | 01:30 |
| Shapeshifter | it should be 12. | 01:30 |
| Shapeshifter | it's also -3 when I click outside the dialog (to close it) | 01:31 |
| Shapeshifter | much rather... nevermind | 01:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | my mistake >.> | 01:31 |
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| GAN800 | EspadaV8, I wouldn't extrapolate too much from that. | 01:35 |
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| b-man16 | xD | 01:37 |
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| GAN800 | zerojay, damnit, forgot to take a picture again. | 02:14 |
| Shapeshifter | I have a problem reading from gconf. I get some stuff from text entry fields and they come out well. At some point, I write them to gconf, and if I do gconftool --all-entries /apps/my-app then I see that both strings look fine and are there. but if I then read from gconf in my app, which I do according to some nokia wiki tutorial, out of foo and bar becoms: 0Ï, Ï | 02:14 |
| GAN800 | I made really amazing fried chicken, too. | 02:14 |
| Shapeshifter | I read with: GConfValue *value; value = gconf_client_get_without_default(client, USERNAME, NULL); if(value->type == GCONF_VALUE_STRING) {creds->username = gconf_value_get_string(value);} | 02:14 |
| Shapeshifter | oh and it's something different everytime, that it reads. | 02:17 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, nevermind I solved it by not using the macro string. | 02:20 |
| Macer | blah | 02:20 |
| Macer | re-installing the tb os again | 02:20 |
| zerojay | GAN800: lol | 02:20 |
| EspadaV8 | is it possible to get an install queue in the app manager? | 02:20 |
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| EspadaV8 | rather than installing one thing at a time? | 02:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: I think not. You could just use apt-get | 02:22 |
| EspadaV8 | :( | 02:23 |
| EspadaV8 | something that really needs to be added | 02:23 |
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| * GAN800 is now drunk after one beer. | 02:24 | |
| b-man16 | lol | 02:24 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800 <- Perfect representative for Florida in any drinking contest | 02:25 |
| b-man16 | :) | 02:25 |
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| * b-man16 ´s cat just knocked his external harddrive off the table O.O | 02:27 | |
| b-man16 | FFFFFFFF | 02:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 02:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | b-man16: annoyingcat is annoying. | 02:29 |
| Macer | i sure could go for maemo5 on the touchbook | 02:29 |
| Macer | :) | 02:29 |
| EspadaV8 | man, i love this n900 | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | now back in the day, you'd have needed a lion to even be able to slightly tilt a hard drive. | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Progress! | 02:29 |
| * b-man16 wants one soooooooooooo bad | 02:29 | |
| b-man16 | xD | 02:30 |
| Macer | EspadaV8: havfe they been released? | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:30 |
| Macer | or did you get one for free by nokia? :) | 02:30 |
| EspadaV8 | it's just awesome having linux on a phone | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Some escaped. | 02:30 |
| EspadaV8 | Macer: no :( | 02:30 |
| EspadaV8 | not yet | 02:30 |
| Macer | escaped? | 02:30 |
| Macer | haha | 02:30 |
| * SpeedEvil has linux on his phone. | 02:30 | |
| * Macer has linux on his g1 also :) | 02:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | And has had for a couple of years. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | openmoko. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, it's not very polished. | 02:30 |
| Macer | even if it has a crappy fake java based wm | 02:30 |
| EspadaV8 | lol | 02:30 |
| b-man16 | rofl | 02:31 |
| Macer | the black girl from battleship galactica has pretty eyes | 02:31 |
| Macer | i've never met a black girl with blue eyes | 02:31 |
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| Macer | a few with green eyes.. but never blue... someone needs to breed a blue eyed black girl :) | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'll give it a shot. | 02:32 |
| b-man16 | red eyes! 8D | 02:32 |
| b-man16 | lol | 02:32 |
| Macer | b-man16: no.. actually | 02:32 |
| Macer | there are a ton of black girls with red eyes | 02:33 |
| Macer | haven't you ever met albino black women? | 02:33 |
| b-man16 | ...no xD | 02:33 |
| Macer | i've met a few every now and then | 02:33 |
| Macer | they have red eyes | 02:33 |
| EspadaV8 | only thing i've noticed with it is playing podcasts, it sometimes stops for a second when i'm doing other things | 02:33 |
| Macer | i've met a few black girls with green eyes but they are usually dominican or puerto rican | 02:33 |
| EspadaV8 | when i get my own i can see myself having to re-flash it weekly | 02:35 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, you should see the frat boys knock 'em back here. | 02:35 |
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| GAN800 | It's . . . excessive. | 02:35 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 02:36 |
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| * b-man16 sucks at using launchpad :( | 02:37 | |
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| GAN800 | LaunchPad been open sourced yet? | 02:38 |
| b-man16 | yes | 02:38 |
| b-man16 | https://help.launchpad.net/ -top of page | 02:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | lol. now my app segfaults when I do client = gconf_client_get_default(); | 02:41 |
| Shapeshifter | exactly there. | 02:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | this is almost impossible | 02:44 |
| * b-man16 wonders if infobot till has the burn command.... | 02:46 | |
| b-man16 | ~burn himself | 02:46 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 02:46 | |
| b-man16 | :D | 02:46 |
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| b-man16 | GAN800: so how is it down there in Florida? :) | 02:53 |
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| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: that's gtk for ya ;-) | 02:58 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has never had gconf_client_get_default(); and his GTK knowledge is shit | 03:00 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | +fail | 03:00 |
| Macer | awesome | 03:01 |
| Macer | got my tb going good again | 03:01 |
| Shapeshifter | it was due to some other code _after_ return; in that function. I'm too used to python, where code that comes after a return _wont_ be handled at all. not like C, where buggy code after a return still gets attention... | 03:01 |
| Macer | i should try to compile something to see if gcc is messed up | 03:01 |
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| * b-man16 ´s scratchbox segfaulted on him...... lol | 03:04 | |
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| Macer | huh? | 03:09 |
| b-man16 | ¨/scratchbox/login: Segmentation Fault¨ | 03:10 |
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| GAN800 | b-man16, it got hot again. | 03:13 |
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| lopz | I modified some files for some time but can not remember which, I want the NON-modal windows. | 03:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | Isn't it possible to "grey out" a hildon button? | 03:44 |
| Shapeshifter | found it. gtk_widget_set_sensitive () | 03:47 |
| EspadaV8 | don't you love it when you realise you've got classes that just aren't used anywhere by anything | 03:49 |
| EspadaV8 | and are basically just copies of other classes from elsewhere :-S | 03:49 |
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| wiretapped | http://www.stevey.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/50-years-exploration-huge.jpg | 04:06 |
| Macer | oh yeah | 04:06 |
| Macer | totally maxing out the touchbook | 04:06 |
| Macer | haha | 04:06 |
| Macer | the touchbook.. the poor man's n900 :) | 04:07 |
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| wiretapped | Macer: how is it? | 04:07 |
| * wiretapped didn't know they finally shippped | 04:07 | |
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| Macer | wiretapped: it's ok | 04:10 |
| Macer | obviously not as fast as an atom but fast enough | 04:10 |
| Macer | battery life is great | 04:10 |
| Macer | but the os needs a ton of work | 04:10 |
| Macer | such as proper power management.. but i think that is more of a kernel issue | 04:10 |
| Macer | hopefuloly the arm netbook stuff will develop a little more | 04:11 |
| Macer | the touchscreen on it totally sucks and i'm not sure if that is the screen itself or a matter of software calibration of it | 04:11 |
| Macer | the mouse jumps around like a wiimote :) | 04:11 |
| timeless | hello world | 04:13 |
| timeless | imagine you have a web browser | 04:13 |
| timeless | you open two browser windows | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: I hope it's the first of many. | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | x68 sucks. | 04:13 |
| timeless | in the first you visit google.com | 04:13 |
| timeless | in the second cnn.com | 04:14 |
| timeless | in the first you visit news.google.com | 04:14 |
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| timeless | in the second aol.com | 04:14 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: hope so | 04:14 |
| timeless | in the first you visit youtube.com | 04:14 |
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| Macer | i would hav eliked to see it go a little faster than 600MHz | 04:14 |
| GAN800 | timeless, does spacebar scrolling work in either of them? :P | 04:15 |
| timeless | what would you call a view that lists google.com,news.google.comyoutube.com but not cnn.com,aol.com | 04:15 |
| timeless | gimme a break | 04:15 |
| timeless | this is one browser process on one device | 04:16 |
| Macer | the tb os could use a little work | 04:16 |
| Macer | it's relaly just angstrom with xfce | 04:16 |
| timeless | hurry | 04:16 |
| timeless | we want to sleep | 04:16 |
| timeless | um | 04:17 |
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| timeless | is zenity in extras? | 04:17 |
| GAN800 | timeless, 'history'? | 04:17 |
| timeless | gan800: wouldn't that include the two i excluded? | 04:17 |
| GAN800 | Thus the quotes? | 04:17 |
| timeless | ... | 04:20 |
| GAN800 | Revisionist History? | 04:21 |
| timeless | heh | 04:23 |
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| timeless | so... zenity | 04:38 |
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| GAN800 | http://www.google.com/m/search?client=ms-nokia-maemo&q=site:repository.maemo.org%20zenity | 04:41 |
| GAN800 | Take your pick, don't see it in Fremantle. | 04:42 |
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| timeless | can you grab it from mer and push it to extras-devel? | 04:50 |
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| timeless | gan:... | 04:55 |
| timeless | the control panel has a widget that lets you select pal/ntsc | 04:55 |
| timeless | should the item be 'tv output' or 'tv out' or something else | 04:56 |
| guysoft42 | hey all, in debian, when installing the maemo sdk, does it only install files to /opt/maemo ? | 05:01 |
| guysoft42 | if i want ot uninstall it, should i just remove that? | 05:01 |
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| Xisdibik | Hey GAN800 are you around? | 05:33 |
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| b-man16 | http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/Emelfm2_Maemo5.png :) | 05:41 |
| Xisdibik | :), no idea what that is b-man16 | 05:48 |
| Xisdibik | but, which distro of linux are you using? | 05:48 |
| b-man16 | ubuntu, and that is the Emelfm2 file manager running in the Freemantle :) | 05:51 |
| Xisdibik | ah ok :) | 05:51 |
| Xisdibik | Do you know how well ubuntu will sync up with fremantle? | 05:52 |
| b-man16 | in what way? | 05:52 |
| EspadaV8 | b-man16: have you tried running Xephyr with -extension Composite? | 05:52 |
| b-man16 | i think i have | 05:53 |
| EspadaV8 | did it work? | 05:53 |
| b-man16 | i believe so | 05:53 |
| EspadaV8 | hmmm | 05:53 |
| EspadaV8 | running ab-sb-init.sh start (or whatever it is) and i get nothing | 05:54 |
| b-man16 | hmm | 05:54 |
| Xisdibik | Well, I have a netbook, a desktop, and when its finally release :( :( :( i want it now!!! the n900, and im trying to decide between puttin linux or win7 on the netbook (I run 7 on the desktop) I want to be able to transfer files between all 3 things easily, and i want to be able to have some files on the n900 easily accessable by both other machines | 05:54 |
| b-man16 | does it complain about $DISPLAY? | 05:54 |
| EspadaV8 | b-man16: not that i remember | 05:55 |
| EspadaV8 | oh, and happy birthday :-) | 05:55 |
| b-man16 | Xisdibik: you could dual boot ;) | 05:55 |
| b-man16 | thanks :D | 05:55 |
| EspadaV8 | Xisdibik: use Dropbox? | 05:55 |
| EspadaV8 | sure someone will come out with something for the n900 | 05:56 |
| Xisdibik | b-man16: Im not a huge fan of it, id like to use the whole 160GB for one OS | 05:56 |
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| EspadaV8 | i'll have to check in the morning about any warnings | 05:56 |
| EspadaV8 | it's like... 4am here | 05:56 |
| EspadaV8 | and i'm dead | 05:56 |
| Xisdibik | EspadaV8: the main thing i want to be able to share with the other two devices is SNES cartridges, so i can maintain saves while accessing the games from all 3 machines if i want to | 05:56 |
| EspadaV8 | doing a final compile and copy before i hit the sack | 05:56 |
| Xisdibik | some syncing of documents would also be there, but thats less often | 05:57 |
| b-man16 | g2g - i´ll see you guys tomorrow - getting late here too ;) | 05:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, hmm? | 07:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, try Linux? | 07:25 |
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| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: heh, am, puttin karmic on a USB atm to put on the netbook | 07:27 |
| Xisdibik | only thing i dont like about linux, is skype's linux version | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | Skype sucks | 07:32 |
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| Xisdibik | luke-jr: lol | 07:36 |
| Xisdibik | luke-jr: find me something that my friends use so i can chat with them :P cuz.. thats the only thing they use | 07:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, get them all to switch to Gizmo. ;) | 07:43 |
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| Xisdibik | Gizmo? link! | 07:48 |
| Xisdibik | (not that i would be able to get them all to switch, but its still worth a look | 07:48 |
| Xisdibik | GeneralAntilles: i found the site, is it correct that it supports skype users as well? | 07:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, they just added something for free calling to Skype. | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure what the support entails, exactly. | 07:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Xisdibik, my friends and family use neither. :D | 07:54 |
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| Xisdibik | haha :P | 07:55 |
| Xisdibik | they should???? GeneralAntilles :P | 07:55 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: It's not free. | 08:12 |
| GAN800 | Ah | 08:22 |
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| GAN800 | USB charging seems to have only brought pain. | 08:24 |
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| GAN800 | Zero convenience | 08:24 |
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| timeless | :( | 08:26 |
| * timeless wakes up to a silent alar | 08:26 | |
| timeless | m | 08:26 |
| timeless | gan: zero conv? | 08:27 |
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| GAN800 | timeless, no host, wont work with dumb chargers, wont take a charge from a sleeping computer and I don't have any other MicroUSB devices anyway. | 08:37 |
| jaska | wont charge from a dumb usb charger?:( | 08:38 |
| GAN800 | jaska, not so far as I can tell. | 08:38 |
| jaska | ouch | 08:38 |
| GAN800 | At least if the USB cable has data pins. | 08:38 |
| GAN800 | It wants to negotiate (which is to spec) but dumb chargers don't negotiate. . . . | 08:39 |
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| Xisdibik | GAN800: your sleeping computer's motherboard might not support powering USB while its asleep | 08:51 |
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| GAN800 | Xisdibik, it does, as it powers other stuff without issue. ;) | 09:03 |
| ShadowJK | I was under the impression that it charges if the data pins are shorted? | 09:07 |
| ShadowJK | I've always had this concern about usb charging too, but since nokia is including adapter to use old chargers I relaxed :) | 09:07 |
| Xisdibik | GAN800: strange :( | 09:09 |
| ShadowJK | GAN800, now that people finally have the USB charging they've been whining for, I have this urge to stand up and shout "HA" everytime people discover negatives about it :-) | 09:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I knew it wouldn't work out all milk and honey. | 09:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | A USB bus doesn't even have enough juice to charge at a reasonable rate. :\ | 09:11 |
| ShadowJK | well about 3-4 hours | 09:12 |
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| ShadowJK | It's interesting to note that Nokia's own microusb charger has higher spec than the previous gen 2mm chargers | 09:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5.7v vs 5v? | 09:13 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if it's like with the 2mm generation that the spec is actually some minimum amount, and in practice you get 1.5 - 2x | 09:13 |
| ShadowJK | no not volts | 09:13 |
| ShadowJK | mA | 09:13 |
| ShadowJK | All my 2mm chargers output 6.something anyway | 09:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | AC-10U is 1200mA 5v | 09:14 |
| Macer | hm | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | The AC-4U was underpowered for the tablets at 890mA | 09:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Considering you could draw more power than the charger could provide. | 09:15 |
| Macer | is there something that i can send to act as pgup in irssi other than pgup? | 09:15 |
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| * ShadowJK has never managed to pull 890mA :-) | 09:16 | |
| ShadowJK | I don't think I've ever seen more than 600 | 09:16 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: sounds like my g1 | 09:16 |
| Macer | no wait | 09:16 |
| ShadowJK | hm, I guess USB host mode adds 150-200ish... | 09:16 |
| Macer | i mean my n810 | 09:16 |
| Macer | my n810 would lose power sometimes if it was under a constant high load | 09:17 |
| Macer | while chaRGING | 09:17 |
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| ShadowJK | what's high load? | 09:19 |
| ShadowJK | What did you do :-) | 09:19 |
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| timeless | hey, bad planning here | 09:24 |
| timeless | anyone have a spare floor for tonight? | 09:25 |
| Xisdibik | a spare floor? | 09:25 |
| timeless | yes | 09:26 |
| timeless | just a place i could sleep | 09:26 |
| timeless | no bed required | 09:26 |
| Xisdibik | located where? :) | 09:26 |
| Xisdibik | amsterdam i guess? or prague? | 09:26 |
| timeless | ams | 09:27 |
| GAN800 | timeless, johnx and rm_you are going to be in a hostel downtown if nothing else materializes. | 09:27 |
| timeless | been here since friday noonish | 09:27 |
| Xisdibik | heh, sorry mate, i have plenty of floors here, but im in Berkeley, California, USA | 09:27 |
| timeless | gan: ok | 09:27 |
| GAN800 | They may still have my reservation, not sure. | 09:28 |
| Xisdibik | brb | 09:28 |
| Xisdibik | machine wants to reboot for updates | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:30 |
| timeless | also, anyone w/ nokia vpn access around? :) | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | i wish sometimes | 09:31 |
| Xisdibik | back | 09:32 |
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| timeless | you don't really want one | 10:05 |
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| timeless | hrm | 10:05 |
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| timeless | cold someone try using a simless n900 w/ working active wiifi and apgs enabled to get a maps fix? | 10:06 |
| timeless | i want to know how long it takes | 10:06 |
| timeless | i believe the basic agps requires dataroaming | 10:06 |
| timeless | but i'm not certain | 10:07 |
| Xisdibik | get me a n900 and ill get right on it ;) | 10:07 |
| * timeless is trying to integrate a tidbit from a camera guy into a string | 10:07 | |
| timeless | come to weesp and i'll let you use one of mine :) | 10:08 |
| timeless | btw, any objections to labeling the pal/ntsc chooser as "format"? | 10:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | What's wrong with the control panel applet to switch between NTSC/PAL? :) | 10:10 |
| sulx | is it possible to get n900 wifi to work as AP? | 10:10 |
| timeless | the label sucks | 10:12 |
| timeless | sulx: not from the gui in the box | 10:12 |
| timeless | but sure | 10:12 |
| timeless | this isn't windows, it doesn't have a pretty ICS | 10:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: Fair point :/ | 10:13 |
| timeless | it's linux and XTerminal is available | 10:13 |
| sulx | timeless: yea I know ;) | 10:13 |
| timeless | qwerty: objections to my string? | 10:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nope. It's a lot better than "TV out" | 10:14 |
| timeless | qwerty: so.. i need someone to take a copy of zenity srcs probably from mer and send it to extras-testing | 10:14 |
| timeless | can you do that? | 10:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm the maintainer of the Diablo version | 10:14 |
| Xisdibik | so wait, all you people in amsterdam, i thought the summit was over, is it not? | 10:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: Wouldn't be a problem for me to upload it to Fremantle | 10:15 |
| timeless | great, please do, now :) | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | Xisdibik: another day today, last one | 10:15 |
| Xisdibik | ah ok | 10:15 |
| ShadowJK | question is whether the drivers and hardware supports AP mode, we know the pretty gui doesn't :) | 10:15 |
| timeless | i need someone to write a small launcher that uses it | 10:15 |
| Xisdibik | Stskeeps: is the NDA still in effect for people, or is it off, and, if its still on does it end after the summit | 10:16 |
| timeless | nda's a re typically covered by their own text [1;2A) | 10:16 |
| timeless | but most people should be able to talk abut the devices they got here | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | Xisdibik: no idea what your nda covers | 10:17 |
| timeless | people are encouraged to file bugs in bugs.maemo.org | 10:17 |
| timeless | at least the normal people | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | frankly. i think its not allowed to discuss you have one either.. crazy legalese | 10:17 |
| Xisdibik | Stskeeps: im not on a NDA, i ment for others ;) | 10:18 |
| timeless | there was no mention of grouping those bugs into a hidden slot | 10:18 |
| timeless | in general, ita's like fight clun | 10:18 |
| timeless | see rule 1 | 10:18 |
| ShadowJK | shouldn't people know what they sign... | 10:18 |
| timeless | they aren't allowed to talk about it | 10:19 |
| timeless | that's covered by the doc | 10:19 |
| timeless | and typically you have n agreement not to talk about the nda to view the nda itself | 10:19 |
| timeless | before signing | 10:19 |
| timeless | simple example, contractors can't typically indicate they contract | 10:20 |
| timeless | standard industry form | 10:20 |
| ShadowJK | there's hardly anything interesting left to know, that early n900 users would know, anyway :) | 10:22 |
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| timeless | sadly, the terms generally don't care | 10:25 |
| ShadowJK | I meant it in the sense that it's kinda silly to be asking whether people can talk or not, when they've already talked plenty ;) | 10:26 |
| GAN800 | When the hell did we decide on 'Maemo Extras'. . . . | 10:26 |
| timeless | years ago ;) | 10:28 |
| ShadowJK | yay for the crusade against random repos | 10:28 |
| timeless | it should be just maemo | 10:28 |
| * GAN800 would Thank qgil's post but 'Maemo Extras' irritates me. | 10:28 | |
| GAN800 | Ah, fun, browser crash, too. | 10:28 |
| GAN800 | 'Extras' | 10:28 |
| timeless | so, it you record the machine id portioin (it's consistent and 4 hesx digit), sp3000 or babu could look | 10:29 |
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| GAN800 | Something I did made this thing hate me. | 10:30 |
| timeless | i'm outside ams for the morning | 10:30 |
| timeless | you picked it up? | 10:30 |
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| GAN800 | 's/he' . . . | 10:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, he gave it a lecture on the correct usage of "Maemo/maemo.org" | 10:31 |
| GAN800 | Well, this one seems vaguely reproducible. . . . | 10:33 |
| timeless | so the repo shouild be "maemo.prg" ? | 10:33 |
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| GAN800 | I think we should call it "qwerty12's House o' Fun" | 10:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, that's cool. | 10:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder if that was wd or battery. | 10:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | WD reboots with a song playing are the best... | 10:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 10:36 |
| * timeless kicks maps | 10:37 | |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . | 10:37 |
| timeless | i'm in weesp | 10:38 |
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| * GeneralAntilles stares at a crash report for the wd. | 10:38 | |
| timeless | i search for nieuwstraat | 10:38 |
| Pavlov | how long does the train take to get to the airport from central amsterdam? | 10:38 |
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| timeless | it offers me a town miles aay | 10:38 |
| timeless | and some other things | 10:38 |
| timeless | from memory less than 15mins | 10:38 |
| Pavlov | k | 10:38 |
| timeless | it doesn't ment | 10:39 |
| timeless | memory is years ago | 10:39 |
| timeless | not thus trip | 10:39 |
| ShadowJK | nieuwstraat sounds like something that every town has, if ovi maps had any sense it'd offer the one in the town you are in :( | 10:39 |
| Pavlov | looks about right | 10:39 |
| Pavlov | just wanted to make sure it wasn't like an hour | 10:39 |
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| * ShadowJK has issues with all map software living in a bilingual area | 10:41 | |
| timeless | this is ovi maps | 10:41 |
| timeless | i had to tell it x, town | 10:41 |
| timeless | then it merrily told me less than 200 yards | 10:41 |
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| * ShadowJK points to "if" :) | 10:42 | |
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| timeless | please don't ask why it's measuring in yards instead of feet | 10:42 |
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| timeless | bye | 10:43 |
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| * ShadowJK wishes *maps would know about names in all languages instead of requiring me the user to memorize/find names in 3 languages | 10:43 | |
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| ShadowJK | and often not even the locals know the other names :) | 10:43 |
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| Xisdibik | and if your walkin, at least for me. my strides about a yard | 10:45 |
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| zgold_ | anybody attend the bluetooth profiles talk yesterday and know the verdict on DUN? | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | oo | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 11:16 |
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| mgedmin900 | can desktop apps support openid auth conveniently? | 11:26 |
| mgedmin900 | I don't have a password for my identi.ca account, I use openid | 11:26 |
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| mgedmin900 | can I use Mauku this way? | 11:27 |
| mgedmin900 | or am I limited to denting via web/jabber unless I give in and set a password | 11:27 |
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| mgedmin900 | lcuk's tv-out troubles are worrying | 11:32 |
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| mgedmin900 | flaky cable? | 11:32 |
| Jaffa | Morning all | 11:33 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin900: It's worked well every other time I've seen it | 11:33 |
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| mgedmin900 | oh dear, someone's reading the slides word by word very rapidly | 11:38 |
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| nocaic | hi folks - I was reading qgill's post today - http://tr.im/BoQE ... the one about 3rd party untested apps. I was wondering - assuming I manage to brick/break the maemo install on a n900. how can I repair that - or am I forced to visit my local nokia vendor/service? | 12:06 |
| mgedmin900 | don't brick it | 12:07 |
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| mgedmin900 | was the answer I got yesterday to this very question | 12:07 |
| nocaic | hmm - that's calming... | 12:07 |
| nocaic | that means I can't rebuild+replace the root image? | 12:08 |
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| mgedmin900 | I imagine flashing the firmware will be possible when the n900 is finally launched | 12:08 |
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| frals | hmm someone in here bricked his n900 yesterday iirc, wonder what he endedu p doing to fix it | 12:09 |
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| nocaic | I bricked my kubuntu install on my EEE laptop the other day.. I just recompiled a full root install gentoo linux on my core2 (as it's approx 4x faster to re-install that way) and copied the root filesystem back onto the EEE - voila ;-) | 12:12 |
| mgedmin900 | browser: nokia is happy with the gecko engine | 12:12 |
| * frals hopes someone is gonna record http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Day_3#Telepathy_on_Maemo | 12:13 | |
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| mgedmin900 | browser: backspace key goes back (duh) | 12:16 |
| mgedmin900 | why are there two ways to get the history list: swipe from right and a toolbar button? | 12:16 |
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| Mek | because the swipe is not very discoverable? | 12:18 |
| mgedmin900 | what about reloading a page? | 12:19 |
| mgedmin900 | ctrl-r is the only way I found | 12:19 |
| mgedmin900 | well, and pressing enter in the address bar | 12:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Reload appears in the menu when you can use it | 12:19 |
| mgedmin900 | looked for it, haven't seen it | 12:20 |
| mgedmin900 | hm, it's there now when I dont't need it | 12:20 |
| mgedmin900 | dont't remember it when facebook loaded as a blank page (poor wifi) | 12:22 |
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| nocaic | is there a way to test out the n900? Is there somthing like a virtual-box/vmware-image (including the sdk) or do I have to start butchering around my gentoo install? | 12:26 |
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| mgedmin900 | cool: the browser ui uses no opengl | 12:27 |
| mgedmin900 | runs on a n8x0 | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | nocaic: The sdk is not a complete user experience - if that's what you mean | 12:27 |
| mgedmin900 | with same performance as n900 | 12:27 |
| mgedmin900 | pwsafe idea: hide passwords by default, reveal on click | 12:32 |
| mgedmin900 | you don't need to see them if you use the copy pwd button | 12:33 |
| keesj | there are some problems if everybody uses opengl mainly you will empty the buffers every time | 12:33 |
| Mek | hmm... I can't find where photos I take with my n900 end up on disk... not in MyDocs/.images apparently | 12:34 |
| * mgedmin900 wants adblock | 12:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | mek find ~ -cmin -10 -size +100k ? | 12:35 |
| mgedmin900 | MyDocs/DCIM | 12:36 |
| Mek | ah, yeah... makes sense... | 12:36 |
| mgedmin900 | the standard for digital cameras | 12:36 |
| mgedmin900 | MyDocs is a separate partition, exported via usb in mass storage mode | 12:36 |
| * mgedmin900 wants adblock | 12:37 | |
| * SpeedEvil needs to get his much better thing working. | 12:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | Currently benchmarking approaches. | 12:38 |
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| * Jaffa stays put for the security talk, gcobb and I want to ask same questions. | 12:50 | |
| Corsac | Jaffa: could you give some info about that talk here | 12:51 |
| Corsac | the the “covertitlive“ feed is a bit noisy and not easy to follow | 12:51 |
| * ccooke is amused by the qt dev talk we just had | 12:52 | |
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| mgedmin900 | web browser crashed agan | 12:52 |
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| Jaffa | Corsac: will do | 12:52 |
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| Jaffa | ccooke: bit targetted aat Qt devs and had nothing on Maemo 5 | 12:52 |
| ccooke | the schedule said it was qt for maemo 5 and 6 | 12:52 |
| * Jaffa nods | 12:52 | |
| mgedmin900 | where's the restore session option? | 12:52 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin900: ha | 12:53 |
| ccooke | I got an apology from the presenter about it... | 12:53 |
| Jaffa | ccooke: heh | 12:53 |
| ccooke | ah, well. security now | 12:53 |
| * Jaffa had hoped to see something about the official Qt for Maemo 5 | 12:53 | |
| ccooke | there isn't anything | 12:53 |
| mgedmin900 | when I launch 'web' I get bookmarks and there's no way to see my history | 12:53 |
| pupnik | http://www2.it.lut.fi/project/ptd/peerhood.html the planned peer-to-peer networkig framework for JamMo | 12:54 |
| ccooke | that was the last potential one I think | 12:54 |
| mgedmin900 | ccooke: security in which room? | 12:54 |
| mgedmin900 | and isn't it supposed to be in 7 mins? | 12:54 |
| pupnik | 810 | 12:54 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin900: N810. 'Open/closed device modes" | 12:54 |
| ccooke | n800 | 12:54 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin900: Qt talk was done in 10 mins | 12:54 |
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| mgedmin900 | starting early? eek | 12:55 |
| * mgedmin900 runs | 12:55 | |
| Jaffa | mgedmin900: not started yet, but it'l be prompt as Elena is on stage | 12:55 |
| ccooke | no, wait. they changed it to n810 | 12:55 |
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| ccooke | mgedmin900: sorry for worrying you there | 12:55 |
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| rm_you | woo | 12:56 |
| Jaffa | Starting | 12:56 |
| rm_you | finally got xchat on this thing | 12:56 |
| ccooke | starting now | 12:56 |
| Jaffa | "plat sec" protects entire SW platform | 12:57 |
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| pupnik | "Integrated Protection inclides data" | 12:58 |
| pupnik | these are nokia internal classufucatiions or some standard? | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | h/w enablers + integrity protection + access ctrl | 12:58 |
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| ccooke | "privacy protection" - strong encryption, user or device data | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | "security policy" defines everything | 12:59 |
| Jaffa | set of apps in both modes same | 13:00 |
| ccooke | same apps in different modes, so you won't need to reflash at least | 13:00 |
| Jaffa | apply and slightly extends classic AC | 13:00 |
| Jaffa | multi-user for app-level access ctrl | 13:01 |
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| mgedmin900_ | wat? my 'complete browsing history' is 'none'??? | 13:02 |
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| Jaffa | process_level access ctrl needed | 13:03 |
| pupnik | this is an interesting presentation | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | TrEE: root public key & root device specific key | 13:04 |
| ccooke | trusted execution | 13:04 |
| mgedmin900_ | environment | 13:04 |
| pupnik | is a thikrs mode | 13:04 |
| Ceron^ | show me some cool apps | 13:04 |
| Ceron^ | or New Games | 13:04 |
| Ceron^ | on the n900 the people who have one | 13:04 |
| pupnik | so even loadable kernel modules cant access drm code? or are modules forbidden? | 13:05 |
| Jaffa | so far so good | 13:05 |
| mgedmin900_ | boot rom checks integrity of loader | 13:05 |
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| mgedmin900_ | loader checks for nokia's signature of os image | 13:05 |
| ccooke | so, we'll have nokia signed images | 13:05 |
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| ccooke | no other bootloader allowed | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | SIM locking | 13:06 |
| Corsac | arg | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | makes sense - if I pay less, I have a contract | 13:06 |
| ccooke | sim locked phones canmt load non-nokia kernels | 13:06 |
| ccooke | whuich seems fair | 13:07 |
| pupnik | yup | 13:07 |
| Corsac | ha, only sim-locked ones | 13:07 |
| Corsac | yeah, fair enough | 13:07 |
| ccooke | drm disabled on custom kernels | 13:07 |
| ccooke | also fair | 13:07 |
| Corsac | well, not fair, but a carrier requirement | 13:07 |
| mgedmin900_ | most importantly, if you buy unlocked devices you can boot arbitrary unsigned images | 13:07 |
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| Corsac | ok | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | +1 | 13:07 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900_: and if you unlock the phone | 13:08 |
| pupnik | this is a deep split. i dont know | 13:08 |
| ccooke | which is allowed | 13:08 |
| mgedmin900_ | hm | 13:08 |
| Corsac | it's mandatory in France anyway | 13:08 |
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| Corsac | (after 6 months) | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: this is for whole thing. process stuff seems like it might be ok | 13:08 |
| Ceron^ | is it possible to port iphone games to linux or maemo? | 13:08 |
| pupnik | no open source driver modules can run concurrently with drm software? | 13:08 |
| Corsac | (what drm are we talking about?) | 13:09 |
| ccooke | pupnik: that wasnmt said | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | Ceron^: developer can | 13:09 |
| ccooke | the kernel will have many modules | 13:09 |
| pupnik | i am not twitterring | 13:09 |
| mgedmin900_ | hm | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: Paid apps and content | 13:09 |
| Corsac | ok | 13:09 |
| Corsac | all paid content will be drm-ed? | 13:09 |
| ccooke | but *custom* ones won't be able to run drm apps | 13:09 |
| mgedmin900_ | good question | 13:10 |
| Corsac | (i thought drm was deprecated) | 13:10 |
| Corsac | :) | 13:10 |
| pupnik | right | 13:10 |
| mgedmin900_ | can I get root on a nokia-signed os image? | 13:10 |
| Corsac | I think so | 13:10 |
| ccooke | drm protected access control to resources, ,which can be provoded by apps or the system | 13:10 |
| Jaffa | Maybe not if multiuser stuff makes ACL possible | 13:10 |
| mgedmin900_ | without disabling drm? | 13:10 |
| mgedmin900_ | hard to protect anything from root | 13:11 |
| Jaffa | Can introduce new protected resources (e.g. pwsafe) | 13:11 |
| Corsac | nice | 13:11 |
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| ccooke | mgedmin900_: can be done, though. a little hardware support will work it | 13:12 |
| Corsac | if there's some questions, could you ask about protected (encrypted and signed) communications (phone, mail, sms) and storage? | 13:12 |
| mgedmin900_ | protected resources are things like cellular and gps access | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | (for example) | 13:12 |
| mgedmin900_ | apps declare what they want in a manifest file | 13:12 |
| mgedmin900_ | wont't necessarily get them | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | repos map to allowed resources | 13:13 |
| mgedmin900_ | security policy grants access based on source | 13:13 |
| mgedmin900_ | source could be a repository or a package signature | 13:14 |
| mgedmin900_ | policy accessible only to the installer | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | this seems like a good design | 13:14 |
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| mgedmin900_ | I still don't get if it's about protecting the user from malicious apps | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It's hopefully about both | 13:16 |
| mgedmin900_ | or about protecting apps from the user | 13:16 |
| Corsac | both | 13:16 |
| Corsac | I guess | 13:16 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900_: its about both | 13:16 |
| ccooke | it has to be | 13:16 |
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| Jaffa | maemo.org/downloads could readAegis manifest and show requested resources and autobuilder can check they're available to maemo.org apps | 13:16 |
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| mgedmin900_ | protected storage: encryption, integrity | 13:16 |
| Corsac | details? | 13:17 |
| glass | piracy prevention | 13:17 |
| Corsac | (on algo, methods etc.) | 13:17 |
| mgedmin900_ | app calls aegis apis | 13:17 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: TrEE on the ARM does sign/verify, encpt/decrypt | 13:17 |
| Jaffa | APIs in user-space library for Aegis Protected Storage | 13:18 |
| Corsac | nice, how am I supposed to google for “arm tree” | 13:18 |
| Corsac | :)) | 13:18 |
| range | :) | 13:18 |
| mgedmin900_ | no passwords the user has to remember | 13:18 |
| mgedmin900_ | keys stored in hardware | 13:18 |
| Corsac | in sim? | 13:18 |
| ccooke | so, who's going to ask if we can get root? | 13:18 |
| ccooke | Corsac: tpm equivalent | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | root will - if it's done right - not mean much | 13:19 |
| ccooke | not a sim | 13:19 |
| Corsac | wow | 13:19 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: it should work that way | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | If the user has no passwords - how is it secured? | 13:19 |
| mgedmin900_ | aegis validator | 13:19 |
| ccooke | but we'll need to ask :-) | 13:19 |
| mgedmin900_ | kernel module checks executable integrity | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: per-device key & normal device lock code? | 13:19 |
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| mgedmin900_ | sha-1 currently | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 13:20 |
| mgedmin900_ | wheee | 13:20 |
| Corsac | sha1? | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | stores hashes of binaries in APS | 13:20 |
| Corsac | no kidding? | 13:20 |
| ccooke | sha-1? what? | 13:20 |
| * Corsac laughs | 13:20 | |
| mgedmin900_ | you can generate sha-1 collisions with current hardware | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | for app hash keys | 13:20 |
| ccooke | i hope that changes! | 13:20 |
| mgedmin900_ | get one app signed, substitute the other one | 13:20 |
| ccooke | exactly | 13:21 |
| ccooke | that's a shocker | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I hope it's a composite hash | 13:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | sha1+md5 for example is not weak if you xor them | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | ccooke: "currently" emphasised | 13:21 |
| ccooke | yeah | 13:21 |
| mgedmin900_ | I've seen ppl argue otherwise | 13:21 |
| ccooke | but I still plan to ask | 13:21 |
| ccooke | because it's important | 13:22 |
| mgedmin900_ | most of security fw will be opensource | 13:22 |
| mgedmin900_ | most? | 13:22 |
| pupnik | let the whining begin! | 13:22 |
| mgedmin900_ | not all? | 13:22 |
| range | Keys? | 13:22 |
| mgedmin900_ | no security by obscurity | 13:22 |
| mgedmin900_ | good! | 13:22 |
| pupnik | ++ | 13:22 |
| Corsac | (will the slides be available online at one point?) | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | elena.reshetova@nokia | 13:23 |
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| Jaffa | Corsac: and video | 13:23 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900_: drivers for the hardware will be closed, but the stuff to apply policy wll be opne, I expect | 13:23 |
| ccooke | oh god | 13:23 |
| Corsac | Jaffa: the mail is for me to write to ask for the slides and video? :) | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | Corsac: nah, for my own ref later ;-) | 13:24 |
| Corsac | ok :) | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | This isn't constructive | 13:24 |
| Corsac | hmhm, closed source drivers aren't really a good idea :/ | 13:24 |
| Corsac | tpm access is open, for example | 13:24 |
| pupnik | hehe this didnt take long :) | 13:24 |
| ccooke | Corsac: 'twas a guess | 13:25 |
| Corsac | (I wonder if they thought about using tpm and why it has been rejected) | 13:25 |
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| mgedmin900_ | lots of talk about gpl v3 | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | TPM needs to go from before the bootloader really to mean much | 13:26 |
| Corsac | though Nokia is a TCG member | 13:26 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: well, that was the point | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - the SOC in silicon needs to verify the bootloader, and then go from there. | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | in ROM internal to the chip I mean | 13:26 |
| Corsac | yup | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | And even then you can swap out the SOC | 13:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | But at that point... | 13:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd like - if the phone is stolen - for it to be a useless brick. | 13:28 |
| wazd | heya all | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Even for the skilled hardware hacker with 100 to unlock. | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 13:28 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: everything that can be locked - can be unlocked | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: not if it's done right | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: and done right means that you will need to replace the CPU with one with unsecured firmware | 13:29 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: any examples of 100% secure protection?) | 13:29 |
| glass__ | on way locks are the way to bricktown-malware | 13:29 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: not quite. it can be made tpp much trouble to break | 13:29 |
| glass__ | oneway | 13:29 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: that means someone can brick your hw too :) | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | seems ok to me | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Corsac: not if it's done right, and it requires my auth to flash it | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | (but yes, it means that someone can lockdown an unsecured phone) | 13:30 |
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| Corsac | all in all, all resumes to a trusted base | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | As long as that trusted base can be configured to not allow any functionality at all if the hardware is on a locked list. | 13:31 |
| Corsac | who has control on that list? | 13:32 |
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| wazd | SpeedEvil: even usb keys for Cubase SX were hacked | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | That is of course an issue. There are ways round that. | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It can be done. | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It adds cost to the device, and complexity to the managment. | 13:33 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: you can fake any firmware, any auth, any user | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | not - if it's done right - much complexity | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: I'm starting off with the assumption that the CPU has firmware in ROM to verify the signed bootloader. | 13:34 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: PSP has that firmware protection | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | This may not of course be the case with the n900 | 13:34 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: screen, battery and so on | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - and the psp had various holes | 13:35 |
| glass__ | seeing the psp hacking scene a lot good it did for them.. | 13:35 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: as you can see it's not a showstoper for hackers :) | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It is a showstopper if properly implemented. | 13:35 |
| glass__ | more worthwhile system to look at could be the symbian platsec and how fw's(bootloader too) are protected there | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Properly implementing it is hard. | 13:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | And requires integration into the whole platform | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | And one bug in a critical area, and you've lost. | 13:36 |
| frals | awesome, got rafe to cover the "telepathy on maemo" session :D | 13:37 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: what's properly implemented? anything that can be accessed - it can be hacked | 13:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | wazd: if it's read-write | 13:38 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: absolutely anything | 13:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | wazd: And if you assume that changing out the CPU is not worth it. | 13:38 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: worth is the other question | 13:38 |
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| wazd | SpeedEvil: you can replace read-only flash with rewriteable | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: not if it's internal to the CPU | 13:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | wazd: Current SoCs have 30K or so of ROM inside - this is not user-programmable, and may even be mask. | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | This does stuff like loading a bootloader from NAND flash, forex. | 13:40 |
| pupnik_ | hehe @ discussions :) | 13:40 |
| Corsac | attackers have the desperate habitude not to respect the hypothesis made upon them | 13:40 |
| Corsac | especially concerning technical knowledge and motivation | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: Sure - it requires a lot of work that's not typically done to do it right. | 13:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Start off by verifying the bootloader from code in ROM, and you're off to a good start. But there are lots of hurdles you have to then pass to ensure that it doesn't break trust. | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Logistical as well as technical hurdles - key managment is annoying. | 13:43 |
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| Corsac | Jaffa: did you have more info on secure storage and secure communications? | 13:45 |
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| timeless | what is this? | 13:46 |
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| wazd | have anywone listened to Vlad Vasiliev on the Summit? :) | 13:46 |
| Corsac | timeless: it seems that there is a “secure storage” stuff but I didn't have stuff more precise | 13:47 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd, you have gotten a lot of exposure here | 13:48 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: pff :) | 13:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: In fact I haven't done almost anything for this version :D | 13:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: cause I was relpaced with some Nokia guy | 13:49 |
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| timeless | secure storage where? | 13:49 |
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| * wazd 's glad that he made OSM2Go icons in time | 13:50 | |
| timeless | did qwerty push zenity? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | wazd, you were thanked though | 13:51 |
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| timeless | wazd: hey, i need some art :) | 13:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: it's in extras-devel | 13:51 |
| timeless | qwerty: i need it in testing so i can pull it w/ an app | 13:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's not a user app, I'll promote it with a comment saying "I could not give a shit if it makes it to Extras" | 13:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It should really be pulled in as a dep of something else | 13:52 |
| timeless | wazd: you've seen the flag icon for my n800/n810 locale package, right? | 13:53 |
| wazd | timeless: yep | 13:53 |
| timeless | qwert: so an app pushed to -testing will automatically pull -devel bits? | 13:53 |
| wazd | timeless: we were discussing it even :) | 13:53 |
| timeless | so, i need a similar one for the n900 | 13:53 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: was Vlad understandable? Cause he was nervous bout it :) | 13:54 |
| timeless | but i'd like to have it used as an item in control panel in addition to as a package icon | 13:54 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: that's the only reason why I'm asking :D | 13:54 |
| timeless | think you could help? | 13:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: I can't promote it, anyway; the promotion link isn't there (maybe because it's a non-user app) | 13:54 |
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| timeless | qwerty: ok | 13:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You'll have to get something depending on it, I guess | 13:55 |
| timeless | next step is writing this stupid evil package/app | 13:55 |
| rm_you | wazd: what did he present again? | 13:55 |
| wazd | rm_you: OMWeather | 13:55 |
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| rm_you | ahn yeah | 13:55 |
| rm_you | i understood him iirc | 13:55 |
| wazd | rm_you: cool :) | 13:56 |
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| rm_you | i wish i could add more than one omw widget to a screen tho :( | 13:56 |
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| wazd | rm_you: hmm :) | 13:56 |
| rm_you | need weather for two cities at once | 13:56 |
| wazd | rm_you: that's an idea :) | 13:56 |
| timeless | that's a desktop bug | 13:56 |
| rm_you | or am i just missing something? | 13:56 |
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| timeless | you should be able to add things multiple times and to multiple desktops | 13:56 |
| timeless | (spec probably doesn't allow it, but it's a bug imo) | 13:57 |
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| rm_you | yeah | 13:58 |
| rm_you | i guess i can just click to cycle providers | 13:58 |
| rm_you | but still, wish i had all my cities at a glance | 13:58 |
| timeless | rm_you: where are you staying tonight? | 13:59 |
| rm_you | i guess you could add another setting, how many cities to show at once | 13:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless: Yes, hildon-home ignores the "X-Multiple-Instances" field in a applet's desktop file | 13:59 |
| rm_you | timeless: same hotel, ibis | 13:59 |
| rm_you | timeless: apparently we can stay there and pay and then expense it to nokia later | 14:00 |
| rm_you | we were going to stay at a hostel... | 14:00 |
| rm_you | but just found that out this morning | 14:00 |
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| rm_you | timeless: havent seen you at all | 14:02 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: yes it was fine but there was a bit of read-paper-copy-of-talk-aloud | 14:11 |
| timeless | i'm returning to ams/hotel now | 14:13 |
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| pupnik | is GAN800 / Generalantilles at conference? | 14:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: Hiya, is there any way we can bribe you to get the Quake 3 deb early? I've got an N900 in my hands that wants some Q3 action :p | 14:24 |
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| pupnik | yes plx ;) | 14:24 |
| rm_you | pupnik: no | 14:24 |
| pupnik | meh | 14:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: he had passport problems | 14:26 |
| pupnik | ty bummer | 14:26 |
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| ccooke | drat | 14:28 |
| ccooke | there's no python bindings for the location api yet | 14:28 |
| ccooke | that's going to make the little tools I want to make a *leetle* ugly | 14:29 |
| frals | could anyone with a n900 try and receive a MMS and see if somethings added to /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db? :) | 14:29 |
| Macer | heh | 14:29 |
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| ccooke | frals: need any extra SW for that? | 14:29 |
| Macer | the tablet mode on this touchbook is so totally useless | 14:29 |
| Macer | it is HORRIBLE :) | 14:30 |
| Macer | not to mention the mouse jumps around like a wiimote | 14:30 |
| frals | ccooke: requires a separate app to read the el.db, e.g. a sqlite browser or something similar | 14:30 |
| ccooke | frals or anyone who can send MMS: Send one to +447919594712 | 14:30 |
| ccooke | frals: no, not really | 14:31 |
| ccooke | I can tell you if it *changes* the file | 14:31 |
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| ccooke | won't be able to say how, but... :-) | 14:31 |
| Corsac | frals: hmhm, but you can *send* mms? | 14:31 |
| frals | not from n900 no | 14:31 |
| frals | ccooke: okey, would be helpful to see *what* it changes as well, but i guess just seeing if it changes at all is a first step :) | 14:32 |
| ccooke | frals: it's the question you asked ;-) | 14:32 |
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| omcfadde_ | qwerty12_N810: I'm currently battling the autobuilder, but yeah, it should be up soon :) | 14:32 |
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| frals | okey, let me rephrase, could anyone with a n900 try and receive an MMS and see whats added (if anything) to /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db? ;) | 14:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: You, sir, are awesome. Thank you! :) | 14:33 |
| omcfadde_ | qwerty12_N810: hehe, no problem :) | 14:33 |
| omcfadde_ | I need to poke Quim to get the video online, too | 14:33 |
| omcfadde_ | but I think they want to do some editing on them first. maemo title screen, etc | 14:33 |
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| omcfadde_ | so that might take a bit longer. but I'll ask when I see him next | 14:34 |
| frals | ccooke: sending MMS now :) | 14:34 |
| ccooke | It comes through as an SMS | 14:35 |
| frals | okey thanks | 14:35 |
| timeless | fwiw, i think mms vbehavior is very carrier specific | 14:36 |
| ccooke | yes, it is. | 14:36 |
| timeless | if a carrier knows you don't support mms, it can special case you | 14:37 |
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| ccooke | frals: at some other time... we should see what reacts to the MMS via, say, ltrace | 14:37 |
| frals | if you have some spare time, would you mind checking if the sms control messages are in the .db? if you need a sqlite browser there is one at http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/ | 14:37 |
| frals | yeah | 14:37 |
| ccooke | to see if there's any communication from the carrier first | 14:37 |
| frals | lots of possibilities to check, im trying to find test subjects for them ;-) | 14:38 |
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| ccooke | hmm, interesting: http://telardcci.garage.maemo.org/gps.html | 14:38 |
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| ccooke | anyone seen that? | 14:38 |
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| omcfadde_ | well, the build succeeded now... so I have no idea how long it takes to get into extras and visible on the device | 14:40 |
| rm_you | oooo | 14:41 |
| omcfadde_ | I guess about the same time garage.maemo.org gets DDOSed by 300 N900's :p | 14:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: It can take a while so I've stolen the deb from results/ :p | 14:41 |
| rm_you | lol | 14:41 |
| omcfadde_ | hehe | 14:42 |
| rm_you | qwerty linky | 14:42 |
| omcfadde_ | you will also need to grab the gles1 packages | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | rm_you: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ioquake3_1558-maemo1/results/ioquake3_1558-maemo1_armel.deb | 14:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | apt-get -f install FTW :) | 14:42 |
| rm_you | is it optified? | 14:42 |
| rm_you | i dont have room on rootfs | 14:43 |
| omcfadde_ | qwerty12_N810: you'll also need libgles1 package | 14:43 |
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| omcfadde_ | rm_you: the data files can be stored on the home filesystem | 14:43 |
| omcfadde_ | the package itself is less than a few MB | 14:43 |
| rm_you | ah k | 14:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: Yep, I'm being told I'm missing "libgles1-sgx-img". Will hunt for it :) | 14:43 |
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| omcfadde_ | yeah. after you have that, it should work (tm) | 14:44 |
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| mgedmin900_ | the /opt discussion overran the time by 40 minutes | 14:45 |
| frals | lol | 14:45 |
| Corsac | omg | 14:46 |
| Corsac | ioquake on n900? | 14:46 |
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| omcfadde_ | yeah. I did a talk about it at the summit | 14:48 |
| omcfadde_ | well, 10% talk, 90% demo | 14:48 |
| Macer | wtf | 14:48 |
| Macer | at the end of season 4 of andromeda everybody dies | 14:48 |
| Macer | hahahah | 14:48 |
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| Macer | it's like watching the end of a mafia movie.. you know.. where the anti-hero always goes to jail or is killed | 14:48 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: Stole libgles1-sgx-img from nokia-binaries and it starts. Just need to get the demo files now :) | 14:50 |
| Corsac | hmhm, does anyone remember the licence term for libflashplugin.so on maemo? | 14:51 |
| Corsac | can I use it on another device? | 14:51 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: Although, the desktop file has /home/user/baseq3/q3.sh set for its Exec field but /home/user/baseq3/q3.sh does not exist in the package :) | 14:52 |
| omcfadde_ | qwerty12_N810: oh, oops... yeah, let me fix that one | 14:55 |
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| omcfadde_ | actually it won't do much without autoexec.cfg too | 14:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 14:56 |
| omcfadde_ | thanks for pointing that out | 14:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | no problem, thank you for q3. Man, it's certainly a step up from Q1 and Q2 on the N810 :) | 14:59 |
| pupnik_ | yes, fine job getting it running so soon | 14:59 |
| omcfadde_ | thanks :) | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | great to have some divertissment upon release | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | so -- url for demo pack? | 15:00 |
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| omcfadde_ | pupnik_: I don't have the url for the demo data, and to be honest, I'm not sure on the legal side for using that | 15:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm grabbing the exe for Windows. If memory serves me well, it's just a zip file with WinZip's self-extractor. Dunno if "unzip" will handle it, however... | 15:02 |
| omcfadde_ | but you're smart people... | 15:02 |
| omcfadde_ | hint: I'd go for the linux .run file and extract that | 15:03 |
| pupnik_ | dont include it but we are allowed to link such things too | 15:03 |
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| rm_you | yeah do what msttcorefonts does | 15:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: I'm doing this on the device, though, dunno if it'll run with busybox and such :/ | 15:03 |
| rm_you | installer wgets the filem and unpacks | 15:03 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Think Debian's package for flash does similar | 15:04 |
| omcfadde_ | hmm... might be possible to do that | 15:05 |
| omcfadde_ | but for now, you'll have to manually copy the data | 15:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, rm_you, how's ABL going? | 15:05 |
| pupnik | whats abl? | 15:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Advanced Backlight | 15:07 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N810: gonna steal your applet code and change the backend i think | 15:08 |
| rm_you | for now | 15:08 |
| rm_you | if you dont mind :P | 15:08 |
| rm_you | theres so much crap in the abl codebase that i need to rip out for fremantle... | 15:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | rm_you: Of course not, but I do what the CPA does and, as such, am only able to make it go 1-5 :p | 15:09 |
| rm_you | almost need to just start over | 15:09 |
| rm_you | yeah | 15:09 |
| rm_you | just gonna change your gconf code to dbus | 15:09 |
| pupnik | can i use a different / public map pack? | 15:10 |
| timeless | rm_you: location ping | 15:10 |
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| pupnik | ABL could use logarythmic slider for brightneess imo | 15:11 |
| pupnik | rithm | 15:11 |
| rm_you | timeless: wgf | 15:13 |
| timeless | eh? | 15:13 |
| rm_you | pupnik <_< | 15:13 |
| rm_you | timeless: westergasfabriek | 15:13 |
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| omcfadde_ | hmm seems to be taking ages to hit extras-devel | 15:23 |
| omcfadde_ | but it might be because the x86 build is failing | 15:23 |
| omcfadde_ | I've fixed that now with Architeture: armel | 15:23 |
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| lopz | gm ;) | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | qwerty12_N810: unzip can do self extracting zips | 15:25 |
| pupnik | hehe | 15:26 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | SpeedEvil: Didn't work on one done by WinZip (here, at least, anyway) | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. Worked for me with older ones | 15:27 |
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| pupnik | rm-you - what i mean is, on 810 the brightness slider has a large effect on the left, and small on the right. | 15:28 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 gives up trying to extract on the N900 | 15:30 | |
| pupnik | bluetooth ot to your n8x0? | 15:31 |
| javispedro | no unzip on extras yet? | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: No, WiFi and SSH :) | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Hiya, I believe it's in extras-devel at least | 15:32 |
| pupnik | bah, tragedy of the commons | 15:32 |
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| mgedmin900_ | what's the secret key to reflow text in the n900 browser? | 15:34 |
| * qwerty12_N810 's memory does not serve him well | 15:34 | |
| pupnik | hmm python includes an unzip model | 15:35 |
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| mgedmin900_ | python -m zipfile | 15:38 |
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| javispedro | btw, is maemo-optify installed in the autobuilder or do I need to build-depend on it? | 15:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | build-depend | 15:50 |
| javispedro | what would happend if build-depend on (maemo-version < 5 || maemo-optify) ;) | 15:51 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | No need: Jaffa asked mvo to upload it to Diablo's extras-devel ;) | 15:52 |
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| javispedro | my Diablo rootfs is nearly empty already :P | 15:52 |
| javispedro | (I removed Tear MWAHAHAHAHA) | 15:53 |
| mgedmin900_ | canola torrents plugin can control transmission running on a different pc | 15:53 |
| mgedmin900_ | cool | 15:53 |
| Macer | wow | 15:54 |
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| Macer | they seriously lost me in andromeda with season5 | 15:54 |
| Macer | so like.. are they supposed to be in an alternate universe? | 15:54 |
| omcfadde_ | Quake 3 is now in extras-devel. see http://repository.maemo.org/ for the .install file for extra-devel | 15:54 |
| mgedmin900_ | is canola optified? | 15:55 |
| mgedmin900_ | I have only 8 megs free on my root fs | 15:55 |
| Macer | where the hell are these people getting n900s from? :) | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: Where is the pak0.pk3 file meant to go? | 15:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I must have tried like 50,000 combinations of baseq3 symlinks :) | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, yeah andromeda5 felt like a terrible hangover after 3 days of partying. "huh what's going on, my brain, I can't take it" | 15:56 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: hahaha | 15:57 |
| mgedmin900_ | Macer, maemo summit in amsterdam | 15:57 |
| Macer | it was like that last season of sg1 | 15:57 |
| mgedmin900_ | nokia gave away 300 n900s | 15:57 |
| Macer | where the cast was replaced with the cast of farscape :) | 15:57 |
| mgedmin900_ | s/gave away/loaned for 6 months/ | 15:57 |
| infobot | mgedmin900_ meant: nokia loaned for 6 months 300 n900s | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | atleast farscape was consistently refined lunacy througghout | 15:58 |
| Macer | loaned? | 15:58 |
| omcfadde_ | qwerty12_N810: /home/user/baseq3 | 15:58 |
| Macer | seriously? | 15:58 |
| * qwerty12_N810 got his for a year, outside of the Summit | 15:58 | |
| omcfadde_ | but I fucked up some option. give me one moment to fix it. | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | and kinda fun they took some of it with them to sg | 15:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: Heh, thanks | 15:58 |
| mgedmin900_ | canola looks good | 15:58 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: haha | 15:59 |
| Macer | sg1 was pure humor | 15:59 |
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| Macer | like the one where thte colonel was living the life with the other guy :) like they were mentally linked and he never told anybody | 16:00 |
| Macer | but this damn andromeda season.. with the alternate universe | 16:00 |
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| Macer | and what's up with the white girl that plays the ship? | 16:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | strace FTW | 16:02 |
| Macer | they got rid of lexa or something? :) or was it because she was spawning babies? | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Alternate universes could be good. | 16:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde_: Got it working, thanks! | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, I'd want to see the alternate universe Enterprise, with empress Sato. | 16:02 |
| omcfadde_ | qwerty12_N810: cool :) | 16:02 |
| omcfadde_ | yeah, I accidentally messed up the basegame name | 16:02 |
| omcfadde_ | it's "foobar" but should be "baseq3" :p | 16:02 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: the new star trek movie did that | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | macer: hangover and waking up next to unknown person, man | 16:03 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: haha | 16:03 |
| Macer | i suppose they just ran outu of storylines in one universe | 16:03 |
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| Macer | and science fiction allows for the creation of alternate universes | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | and she's the ship, and lexa is the ship too, yet they argue? wtf, like waking up in hangover to your gf asking what unknown person is doing in your bed | 16:04 |
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| ShadowJK | I think harper built the blonde, yet he still doesn't get any | 16:04 |
| onion | sgu seems quite nice, at least the first episode | 16:04 |
| pupnik | cool topic! | 16:05 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: well... it didn't matter before | 16:06 |
| Macer | now there are 2 different people playing the ship.. and that's just stupid :) | 16:06 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: yeah. he built her | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | how many seasons did andromeda run for | 16:08 |
| Macer | 5 | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | I don't remember past alternate universe | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | oh maybe that's why then | 16:08 |
| Macer | the ending of 4 and beginning of 5 like.. are idiotic :) | 16:08 |
| ShadowJK | was that tesserac-tastic | 16:09 |
| mgedmin900_ | powertop preinstalled!! | 16:09 |
| Macer | at the end of 4 trance goes supernova | 16:09 |
| Macer | and blows that world ship thing up | 16:09 |
| Macer | and it seems like everybody dies but they all pop up in some alternate wild west universe | 16:10 |
| Macer | it is stupid :).. i don't want to watch it anymore | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | yeah see, the problem is causality | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | it feels like a brutal hangover enshrouding your brain | 16:11 |
| Macer | sure does | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | but you havent had booze | 16:11 |
| Macer | i did. i'm hungover now | 16:11 |
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| Macer | hah.. thank god i hooked this remote up to the comuter | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | the fix is to have booze, then 5th season makes sense | 16:12 |
| Macer | or to just not watch it | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast becomes vaguely amusing | 16:12 |
| onion | fixes the hangover too | 16:12 |
| Macer | heh | 16:12 |
| * onion starting to get a headache | 16:12 | |
| Macer | the tablet mode of this touchbook is so utterly horrible | 16:13 |
| onion | must be the 3 days of partying | 16:13 |
| Macer | now they have a groundhog's day episode.. because nothing screams science like a time loop | 16:13 |
| onion | those are so boring | 16:14 |
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| Macer | the one on sg1 was pretty good | 16:14 |
| Macer | they made it comical | 16:14 |
| Macer | like when they're golfing into the stargate | 16:14 |
| frals | uhoh, that "locking device at 600mhz will fry it" sounds promising for exploding phones :D | 16:14 |
| onion | yeah, true | 16:14 |
| Macer | frals: haha | 16:14 |
| Macer | this tb is locked at 600MHz | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | locking n810 to 400MHz barely changes power use | 16:15 |
| Macer | they need to work on the omap kernel a little bit more | 16:15 |
| Macer | to get it to throttle correctly | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | well, sleep while idle probably does more than cpu&voltage scaling really | 16:16 |
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| ShadowJK | and it wont sleep much if it keeps waking up all the time.. i think nokia has paid much attention to this | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | despite not having powertop before ;) | 16:16 |
| mgedmin900_ | mer: not yet ready for end-user | 16:17 |
| mgedmin900_ | no sound, gps, led | 16:18 |
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| mgedmin900_ | on n810 | 16:19 |
| mgedmin900_ | open 3d driver exists for n810 --- did I get that right??? | 16:20 |
| onion | coming in 2 weeks | 16:20 |
| onion | about | 16:20 |
| Robot101 | open?! | 16:20 |
| mgedmin900_ | cool | 16:20 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900_: accounced a couple of days ago :-) | 16:20 |
| Robot101 | do you mean open, or just, a 3d driver? | 16:20 |
| mgedmin900_ | one of those 'hell freezes over' moments | 16:20 |
| onion | open | 16:20 |
| Robot101 | URL? | 16:20 |
| zerojay | I don't remember it being open. I remember them saying it's a 3d driver... | 16:21 |
| onion | it is not released yet, TI guy said about 2 weeks | 16:21 |
| Robot101 | open seems preeeety unlikely to me | 16:22 |
| zerojay | Robot101: Your guys still working on Facebook chat? | 16:23 |
| Robot101 | hrm I forgot about that. theoretically you should be able to install the plugin and delete haze's .manager file, and make a .profile, and it should work | 16:24 |
| Robot101 | but I think some accounts thingy crashes without the .manager file | 16:24 |
| zerojay | I know that's what was happening to me in Diablo... Galego was crashing, killing off showing status of my contacts in the contacts list. | 16:26 |
| zerojay | Fuckkkk... come on, extras-devel... wake the fuck up. | 16:27 |
| ShadowJK | i think it waas open in-kernel part and closed userspace part? | 16:27 |
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| zerojay | Just the fact that something is coming out at all, open or closed, is quite a coup. | 16:30 |
| ShadowJK | indeed! | 16:30 |
| mgedmin900_ | t-shirts for most prolific bug reporters | 16:31 |
| zerojay | Well... awesome... means all the people that got their tablets at Summit will be able to report all the bugs I could not (and still can't). | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | to provide drivers at this stage, for a end-of-life product is quite awsome :) | 16:31 |
| pupnik | q3 starts but spins dial? | 16:31 |
| pupnik | got a pk3 in foobar | 16:31 |
| * pupnik stabs with strace | 16:33 | |
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| zerojay | extras-devel is failing for me... "No Hash entry in release file" | 16:35 |
| zerojay | Any ideas? | 16:35 |
| mgedmin900_ | retry later | 16:35 |
| pupnik | worked here | 16:36 |
| zerojay | pupnik: N900? | 16:38 |
| pupnik | yes | 16:40 |
| pupnik | retry | 16:40 |
| pupnik | anybody want to hewp | 16:40 |
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| mgedmin900_ | and the summit is over | 16:42 |
| mgedmin900_ | three awesome days | 16:42 |
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| * mgedmin900_ still hasn't got the hang on socializing | 16:45 | |
| JosefAssad | mgedmin900_: socialising is easy. Just add a "post to twitter" button somewhere and you've socialised it. | 16:45 |
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| tigert | zerojay: vi the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-applicationmanagerwhatever-list | 16:49 |
| tigert | and see if there is an enter in the end | 16:49 |
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| tigert | zerojay: I had the same, maybe appman had a bug when I tried to add the repo from the .install file | 16:49 |
| tigert | or maybe it was just broken and wrked later | 16:50 |
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| zerojay | Love the shortcut for opening the terminal, btw. | 16:50 |
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| jeremiah | zerojay: What is it again? | 16:51 |
| jeremiah | Ctrl-Shift-? | 16:51 |
| zerojay | Ctrl+Shift+X | 16:51 |
| jeremiah | w00t | 16:51 |
| mgedmin900_ | ooh | 16:51 |
| mgedmin900_ | how do we discover all these shortcuts? | 16:52 |
| zerojay | The source is open so.... | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | 3d drivers open kernel module, closed libs | 16:52 |
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| jeremiah | pound the keyboard tile the screen changes | 16:52 |
| jeremiah | s/tile/till | 16:52 |
| mgedmin900_ | that's not open | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | good enough tbh | 16:54 |
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| zerojay | It's the best we could probably ask for. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | same situation as on omap3 | 16:56 |
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| mgedmin900 | gps still sucks | 17:05 |
| Ceron^ | it does? | 17:05 |
| Ceron^ | mgedmin900: tell me everything bad that you have noticed | 17:06 |
| * mgedmin900 is standing outdoors, online, waiting for fix | 17:06 | |
| Ceron^ | how long have you been standing there | 17:06 |
| Ceron^ | and in what country | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | He doesn't know yet until he gets a fix. | 17:06 |
| mgedmin900 | dunno, five minutes? | 17:06 |
| Ceron^ | you probally got poor gps coverage on north pole! | 17:06 |
| mgedmin900 | amsterdam | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | 13 min or so should generally get a fix if it's going to | 17:06 |
| Ceron^ | lool | 17:07 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900: I think that's more the map app than gps | 17:07 |
| Ceron^ | in finland i get a fix in under 3 minutes | 17:07 |
| Ceron^ | always | 17:07 |
| mgedmin900 | what's the timeout for the location applet? | 17:07 |
| mgedmin900 | cause it just gave up | 17:07 |
| mgedmin900 | retrying | 17:07 |
| ccooke | the location applet works well. much better than ovi maps | 17:07 |
| Ceron^ | what gps-chipset is it using? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | gps sucks without sim | 17:08 |
| Ceron^ | same as n97? | 17:08 |
| mgedmin900 | maybe it would work better if I has a sim card | 17:08 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900: ahhh | 17:08 |
| Ceron^ | why does it need a sim-card | 17:09 |
| mgedmin900 | I had a fix this morning, so it should still have ephemeris/almanac data | 17:09 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: gps needs a sim? | 17:09 |
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| Ceron^ | it does not :P | 17:09 |
| mgedmin900 | agps | 17:09 |
| Ceron^ | assisted-gps shoulnt be needed | 17:09 |
| Corsac | ha ok, so it needs a connection, not a sim | 17:09 |
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| Ceron^ | celltower information is just a bonus | 17:10 |
| Ceron^ | gps should coldstart in under 3 min | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect it no longer updates periodically over any internet connection based on previous fix | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | 13 min or so worst case | 17:10 |
| Corsac | does it support EGNOS? | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Usually lots faster | 17:10 |
| zerojay | I had absolute hell with GPS in the N810... it's awesome for me on the N900. | 17:10 |
| mgedmin900 | maemo mapper at least shows how many sats it sees | 17:11 |
| ccooke | zerojay: ditto | 17:11 |
| mgedmin900 | want maemo mapper for fremantle | 17:11 |
| ccooke | is maemo mapper usable yet? | 17:11 |
| mgedmin900 | haven't seen a port | 17:11 |
| ccooke | hmm | 17:11 |
| mgedmin900 | not in extras-devel | 17:11 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Author is working on it. | 17:11 |
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| mgedmin900 | will try building later | 17:11 |
| zerojay | mapper's one of those apps I will never touch again unless it's got some MAJOR new features over Ovi maps. | 17:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Think he has a branch in SVN for Fremantle | 17:12 |
| mgedmin900 | fix! | 17:12 |
| ccooke | I'm looking at some simple stuff to try out the new location api | 17:12 |
| mgedmin900 | 5 minutes standing still | 17:12 |
| ccooke | should probably see if mm is a good base to work on | 17:12 |
| mgedmin900 | maemo mapper killer feature: works OFFLINE | 17:12 |
| zerojay | Uh... | 17:13 |
| ccooke | zerojay: major features like being usable? | 17:13 |
| zerojay | Why would you ever be offline on the N900? | 17:13 |
| ccooke | or actually working? | 17:13 |
| zerojay | ccooke: Works fine for me. | 17:13 |
| range | zerojay: People like to travel and roaming can be expensive as hell? >:) | 17:13 |
| ShadowJK | I guess all the people in Ams didn't bring their sim cards :-) | 17:13 |
| zerojay | range: Okay, in that case, perhaps. :) | 17:14 |
| ShadowJK | a-gps uses so few bytes I had it on when I was roaming in germany :) | 17:14 |
| ccooke | zerojay: I tried navigating aound amsterdam on it last night. it was terrible | 17:14 |
| zerojay | How? | 17:14 |
| ccooke | kept losing tracking, and the find location ui is awful | 17:14 |
| zerojay | I never had a problem. GPS had me pinned within a few feet at all times when using Ovi maps... and if I go offtrack, recalculates route just fine too. | 17:15 |
| ccooke | zerojay: still onsite? | 17:15 |
| zerojay | ccooke: Huh? | 17:15 |
| Ceron^ | so does the n900 include a magnetometer or not? | 17:15 |
| ccooke | are you still at westergasfabriek | 17:15 |
| Ceron^ | so much talk that it does and it does not | 17:15 |
| zerojay | ccooke: I have to be there before I can still be there. :) | 17:16 |
| Ceron^ | someone with a damn n900 in there hands could probally answer | 17:16 |
| zerojay | ccooke: I was fully sponsored to go to Amsterdam, but had to cancel. | 17:16 |
| zerojay | I have it in my hands. | 17:16 |
| ccooke | EspadaV8: oh, sorry | 17:16 |
| ccooke | huh | 17:16 |
| zerojay | As far as I know, there's no magnetometer. | 17:16 |
| ccooke | s/EspadaV8/ zerojay/ | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: no | 17:17 |
| ccooke | zerojay: okay. load up ovi maps. | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: just GPS - reportedly at least. I ack one in my hands. | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | lack | 17:17 |
| zerojay | ccooke: k. | 17:17 |
| ccooke | touch the top-right wkidget | 17:17 |
| ccooke | select the first icon | 17:17 |
| zerojay | loading... | 17:18 |
| ccooke | just checking on here what I did | 17:18 |
| zerojay | Top right widget closes the app. :) | 17:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jesus, it is slow | 17:18 |
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| * ShadowJK just placed Nokia E75 (A-gps disabled), N810 (A-gps enabled) and a Sirfstar III bluetooth gps next to eachother near a window | 17:18 | |
| zerojay | ccooke: So... find places then? | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | E75 and N810 no fix, sirfstar gave a position but claims 0 satellites used... not sure what ot make out of that | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Windows vary | 17:19 |
| zerojay | I'm in my basement apartment and GPS is still working perfectly fine for me and has me 100% pinpointed. | 17:19 |
| ccooke | zerojay: type slo | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Windows with low-emission coatings can be very reflective of GPS | 17:19 |
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| ccooke | then try scrolling the list | 17:19 |
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| zerojay | No results found. | 17:20 |
| ccooke | yeah, the gps hardware seems really nice | 17:20 |
| ccooke | damn, different results | 17:20 |
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| zerojay | I'm in Canada, so... yeah.. | 17:20 |
| ccooke | okay, I'll do a proper bug report | 17:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Canada: No results found | 17:21 |
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| ccooke | zerojay: still, there's nowhere with a name starting 'slo'? | 17:21 |
| zerojay | apparently we have no dentists in canada either. lol | 17:21 |
| zerojay | ccooke: In canada, no. | 17:21 |
| ccooke | hmm | 17:21 |
| zerojay | I typed in water and got a long list. | 17:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ccooke: If you're trying to replicate the shitty scrolling of it; Oxford Street, London works well | 17:22 |
| ccooke | is it possible to exit ovi maps from the app | 17:22 |
| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: interesting. it was really bad last night | 17:22 |
| zerojay | ccooke: Yes, hit the top right twice. | 17:22 |
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| ccooke | ah well. intermittant is better. | 17:23 |
| zerojay | No issues here except for the scrollbar not fitting Fremantle standards. | 17:23 |
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| * ccooke retracts 50% of his ire | 17:23 | |
| ccooke | :-) | 17:23 |
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| ccooke | (... and yes, it's working fine here, now. I'll have to work out what was up last night) | 17:25 |
| * qwerty12_N810 wonders why he didn't make his tap-and-hold GtkMenu a HildonAppMenu before | 17:25 | |
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| b-man17 | :) | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hey, b-man17, happy birthday | 17:27 |
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| javispedro | heh. | 17:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Hey, b-man17, happy birthday | 17:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep, lol | 17:27 |
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| b-man17 | thank you qwerty12 :) | 17:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | The real reason for Transmission's existance: Quake 3 data files | 17:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | *existence | 17:28 |
| b-man17 | indeed xD | 17:29 |
| jaska | oh, the number in the end incremented, happy bday :p | 17:29 |
| b-man17 | lol thanks xD | 17:30 |
| javispedro | yeah ex-b-man16, happy bday :D | 17:30 |
| javispedro | ~seen b-man16 | 17:30 |
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| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@pool-98-115-64-104.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11h 31m 36s ago, saying: 'g2g - i´ll see you guys tomorrow - getting late here too ;)'. | 17:30 |
| ccooke | heh. happy birthday :-) | 17:31 |
| b-man17 | thanks ccooke :) | 17:31 |
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| b-man17 | hay penguinbait | 17:32 |
| penguinbait | 16-17 what did you have a birthday? | 17:32 |
| b-man17 | yup - today xD | 17:33 |
| * ccooke has another day before he leaves amsterdam, and wanted to do some fiddling about with some simple apps. | 17:33 | |
| penguinbait | happy birthday!! | 17:33 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Link meh. | 17:33 |
| b-man17 | :D | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ccooke: Amsterdam? Apps? Man, you're boring. ;P | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: www.thepiratebay.org | 17:33 |
| b-man17 | lol | 17:34 |
| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: AlaughA | 17:34 |
| ccooke | drat | 17:34 |
| b-man17 | qwerty12_N810: +1 :D | 17:35 |
| ccooke | keep expecting fn to be bolttom left :-) | 17:35 |
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| pupnik | frozen bubble 2 missing perl-modules | 17:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Only location app I'd try and write if I was there would be one that told me the location of the nearest coffee shop. And I'd keep making sure it worked, of course ;p | 17:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: Yup, on my TODO list | 17:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ccooke: I keep doing the same :p | 17:36 |
| zerojay | me too. | 17:36 |
| pupnik | nice choice for a port | 17:36 |
| pupnik | way up near the top for release | 17:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: I had it running on the N800, just a little slow :/ | 17:37 |
| pupnik | mhm | 17:37 |
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| pupnik | looks like a hildonized rubybox would be nice for n900 | 17:38 |
| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: Imve seen plenty of Amsterdam already, and will see a lot more tonight. | 17:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 17:38 |
| ccooke | i'm thinking initially of a gps bookmarker | 17:38 |
| pupnik | ah yes, i lost my friends to airplane so if i can tag along? | 17:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: ukki is there, is he not? Tell him to get a move on :p | 17:38 |
| zerojay | tigert: The "No Hash entry in Release file" is right.. the actual release file on the server doesn't have it. | 17:38 |
| pupnik | he left | 17:38 |
| ccooke | bookmark this location, then alert you when you reach a bookmarked place | 17:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: For Finland? | 17:39 |
| pupnik | oh, no, he is not planning on it qwerty | 17:39 |
| ccooke | (with directions later) | 17:39 |
| pupnik | yes | 17:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: Grr, I'm guessing he didn't pick up an N900? | 17:39 |
| pupnik | he did | 17:39 |
| pupnik | but nobody afaik is doing ruby bindings | 17:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You should've thrown his iPhone out the window | 17:40 |
| pupnik | :0 | 17:40 |
| b-man17 | lol | 17:40 |
| pupnik | i think ukki can beat any of us up | 17:40 |
| * pupnik is scared of finns :) | 17:40 | |
| pupnik | ty for that python unzip | 17:41 |
| Lupu | Oh, by the way, my N800 has http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/ in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list ... it seems that repository is empty and my packages are outdated | 17:42 |
| Lupu | ... is there a new repository I should be using instead, anything that's still maintained? | 17:42 |
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| zerojay | Alrighty.. can someone fix Extras-devel, please? | 17:43 |
| pupnik | i do not remember that repo. google gronmayer maemo to see what repositories have what apps | 17:43 |
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| zerojay | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/fremantle/Release <-- good | 17:43 |
| zerojay | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/Release <-- Broken. | 17:44 |
| tigert | zerojay: ah ok | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Lupu: It's not empty... Just that directory listing is not allowed | 17:44 |
| tigert | zerojay: then the repo is broken | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And you're not gonna see anymore SSUs for Diablo | 17:44 |
| tigert | actually i have that same probldem now | 17:44 |
| zerojay | tigert: So... who do we beat up for it? | 17:44 |
| pupnik | help with mer | 17:45 |
| lalcaraz | Hello, i would like to ask if there's any news on MER or Ubuntu for NIT 800 plz | 17:45 |
| Lupu | qwerty12_N810: Alright thanks. Actually, that's something I've been a little confused over. Is SSU (in this case) a synonym for apt updates? | 17:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~ssu | 17:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Damn | 17:46 |
| infobot | ssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 17:46 |
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| pupnik | there is news for mer | 17:48 |
| pupnik | n800 and n810 will be getting opengl es, so mer can stay current with clutter | 17:48 |
| pupnik | needs testers, join #mer | 17:49 |
| lalcaraz | yes thanks pupnik i have n800 and n810 for help the process of testing. | 17:49 |
| pupnik | ls -ltr | 17:49 |
| lalcaraz | will joing right now. | 17:49 |
| pupnik | argh | 17:49 |
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| Lupu | qwerty12_N810: I've read that before already, but since it doesn't mention the technology used it's left me uncertain about it. Is it Nokia's own push update implementation or just apt-get but avoiding that terminology deliberately? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | apt-get with magic. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | closer to ubuntus way | 17:50 |
| Lupu | Alright, thanks. | 17:51 |
| wazd | b-man17: happy bman day :) | 17:51 |
| zerojay | Fremantle extras-devel is broken. Is there anyone awake that can help fix it? | 17:51 |
| b-man17 | wazd: thanks :) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if x-fade and jeremiah are anywhere | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | possibly on a pane | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | plane | 17:52 |
| zerojay | jeremiah_in-tran: ping | 17:52 |
| zerojay | X-Fade: ping | 17:52 |
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| konttori__ | any news when the n800 opengl drivers willbe published? | 17:57 |
| konttori__ | I happen to have a set at home, but that's not the one that will be published (2 years old). | 17:58 |
| zerojay | Heard in two weeks. | 17:58 |
| konttori__ | great news indeed | 17:59 |
| lalcaraz | Could I ask all which OS have you tested succesfully on NIT800 despite MER? | 18:01 |
| lalcaraz | i'm little bit curious of experiment on my NIT 800 ... i've tested KDE, DEBLET and LXDE but all on top of Maemo | 18:01 |
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| Firebird | lalcaraz, well there's debian | 18:03 |
| lalcaraz | Firebird, running from boot? or on the top of Maemo? | 18:04 |
| Firebird | from boot of course | 18:04 |
| lalcaraz | mm interesting, i would like to test that one ... does it have X and sound working all along, Firebird ? | 18:05 |
| Firebird | though, I thought that's what deblet was | 18:05 |
| zerojay | Next classic gaming wallpaper for N900: Super Mario Bros 2, World 1-1 from the SNES port. | 18:06 |
| Firebird | lalcaraz, you said you tried deblet, which is the debian on boot | 18:06 |
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| Firebird | zerojay, any plans for abstract or landscape wallpapers? | 18:07 |
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| Firebird | doing a 360 panorama would be a neat wallpaper | 18:07 |
| ccooke | Firebird: I think there are a couple of those on the themes website | 18:08 |
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| lalcaraz | Firebird, aww ... yeah, i was thinking was different from what i tried before .. nope that one tested and to be honest preffer maemo booting from SD as i have it now, with CLEAN installation on the device .. works kinda nice i must say. | 18:08 |
| ccooke | ... actually, you can generate a 360 panorama from google's street view. | 18:08 |
| ccooke | I wonder if you can easily set the wallpaper programmatically :-) | 18:08 |
| Firebird | does street view go to the center of the grand canyon? | 18:08 |
| * Firebird slaps ccooke with a large fish | 18:09 | |
| zerojay | Firebird: Other people are doing that already. I'm doing panoramic versions of levels from classic games. | 18:10 |
| ccooke | zerojay: fun ones, too :-) | 18:10 |
| Firebird | ah | 18:10 |
| zerojay | ccooke: Glad you're enjoying them. :) | 18:10 |
| ccooke | Firebird: that's not very friendly, you know :-) | 18:10 |
| Firebird | is the debian page in the ITT wiki still relevant? | 18:10 |
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| Firebird | ccooke, a large majority of the landscape and abstract wallpapers only cover one screen | 18:12 |
| zerojay | Firebird: n900wallpapers.com | 18:12 |
| Firebird | that's where I'm looking | 18:12 |
| zerojay | Ok. | 18:12 |
| zerojay | I know everything I'm uploading is 4 screens. | 18:12 |
| zerojay | Dunno about the rest. | 18:13 |
| zerojay | Don't see the point of just single wallpapers. | 18:13 |
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| konttori__ | I don't see the point why n900 doesnt just support using 3200x480 photos. | 18:17 |
| konttori__ | and autosplitting those. | 18:17 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that too. | 18:17 |
| * konttori__ will raise that one up. | 18:17 | |
| jjardon | Did anyone go to hildon talk?Any plan for hildon? | 18:17 |
| ccooke | Hmm. A background installer wouldn't be difficulr to write. Something that'll work with 3200x480 photos, too | 18:18 |
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| zerojay | ioquake3 is in extras-devel. | 18:39 |
| zerojay | Missing dependency. | 18:39 |
| kynky | might have to stick gentoo on my n900 when i get it :) | 18:39 |
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| wao | kynky: wow, brave1 | 18:44 |
| kynky | well debian arm works, all i goto todo s do some cross compiling in an embedded environment on desktop, and setup a binhost, so will just be like doing apt-get for debian arm | 18:46 |
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| b-man17 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32627 this concerns me :( | 18:51 |
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| ShadowJK | yawn | 18:54 |
| pupnik | moop | 18:56 |
| b-man17 | ~coin | 18:56 |
| infobot | it has been said that coin is flipped... heads or tails? | 18:56 |
| javispedro | I assume -dbg packages should be optified too.... | 18:57 |
| b-man17 | ~heads | 18:57 |
| javispedro | ~flip | 18:57 |
| * infobot flips a coin in the air and it is... tails! | 18:57 | |
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| b-man17 | ~flip | 18:57 |
| * infobot flips a coin in the air and it is... tails! | 18:57 | |
| b-man17 | xD | 18:58 |
| javispedro | ~flip | 18:59 |
| * infobot flips a coin in the air and it is... heads! | 18:59 | |
| javispedro | :) | 18:59 |
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| b-man17 | ~flip | 19:00 |
| * infobot flips a coin in the air and it is... tails! | 19:00 | |
| b-man17 | god, i fail xD | 19:00 |
| pupnik | what is changed in the q3 update? | 19:02 |
| pupnik | i think it doesnt like myy pk3 | 19:02 |
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| konttori__ | hardware of n900 is capable of running harmattan. some gimmics (like pinch) would need to be left out. | 19:12 |
| konttori__ | b-man17: ^ | 19:12 |
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| b-man17 | konttori__: thanks :) | 19:19 |
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| EspadaV8 | ~flip ? | 19:21 |
| * infobot flips a coin in the air and it is... oshi--it's the side! | 19:21 | |
| EspadaV8 | O.o | 19:21 |
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| b-man17 | lol | 19:25 |
| EspadaV8 | hmm, that is worrying b-man17 | 19:25 |
| EspadaV8 | i'm hoping that OS-wise the n900 will run Maemo | 19:26 |
| EspadaV8 | 6 | 19:26 |
| kynky | just no support for multi-touch ? | 19:26 |
| b-man17 | i believe so | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | no support for pinch atleast | 19:26 |
| ShadowJK | in hardware | 19:26 |
| * ShadowJK hopes they will be able to find an accurate touchscreen | 19:27 | |
| ShadowJK | I'm not a big fan of fingerpainting :-( | 19:27 |
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| javispedro | garage needs "Maemo 5" OS category. | 19:27 |
| kynky | resistive touch screen sounded good to me for n900 (although it got slated on engadget iirc) | 19:27 |
| javispedro | kynky: slated by engadget bloggers, defended by engadget commenters. | 19:28 |
| * b-man17 just hopes the N900 doesnt turn into what the N770 had become - supporting only one offical maemo release :( | 19:28 | |
| EspadaV8 | i would've liked them to use capacitive for the n900, but a few people here seem to like the resistive instead | 19:28 |
| kynky | javispedro, not like they biased :) as they blog via iphones | 19:28 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 19:29 |
| kynky | resistive is more accurate i thought, and beter for stylus/gloved fingers | 19:29 |
| EspadaV8 | i don't see any advantage of using resistive these days | 19:29 |
| Firebird | accuracy? | 19:29 |
| javispedro | stylus? | 19:29 |
| EspadaV8 | accurate? | 19:29 |
| Firebird | precision then | 19:30 |
| Firebird | you can click really tiny objects | 19:30 |
| EspadaV8 | like apple have done with the iphone though, if the OS is done correctly, you shouldn't need a stylus | 19:30 |
| * EspadaV8 can't believe he's defending the iphone :( | 19:30 | |
| javispedro | But I _do_ want a stylus, vs 72pt fonts. | 19:30 |
| b-man17 | ;) | 19:30 |
| kynky | EspadaV8, surely that depends on what you want to do, pros/cons | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, yeah exactly :) | 19:30 |
| Firebird | drawing on a capacitive screen is very poor | 19:30 |
| kynky | iphone has a rubbish resolution, with n900 you might want pixel precision foer its high res, gimp would be hard for iphone, imho | 19:31 |
| b-man17 | iphone + gimp = impossible :D | 19:32 |
| Firebird | I sure hope maemo6 stays resistive with stantum multitouch panels instead of going straight to capacitive | 19:32 |
| EspadaV8 | gimp + phone = ... pointless? | 19:32 |
| javispedro | Firebird: they have already said "Capacitive multitouch". | 19:32 |
| Firebird | yea, pretty lame | 19:33 |
| javispedro | no space for confusion there. | 19:33 |
| Firebird | does that mean they will have a lower resolution? | 19:33 |
| Firebird | makes no sense to stick with 800x480 | 19:33 |
| kynky | but capacitive tech could get better by 2011 | 19:33 |
| * b-man17 made his ubuntu-rescue-menu GUI using gimp on his N800 ;) | 19:33 | |
| ShadowJK | I guess the attraction for me is that I can use mostly regular software on my N810 just fine.. like xchat, for example. SUre, someone could probably start writing something xchat-ish that displays my usual 8 point font size for chat and then zooms in to select channels, etc... but it took 5 years for xchat to become useful, I'm not that hopeful rewriting/hacking it would be that fast :) | 19:33 |
| kynky | they working on multitouch resistive at mo | 19:34 |
| javispedro | yeah, but thinking nokia may license that is wishful at least. | 19:34 |
| javispedro | they're already using capacitive touchscreens. | 19:34 |
| javispedro | only hope is, like GAN mentioned, that they do two devices at one point. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | but I doubt that. | 19:35 |
| Firebird | well, if someone can hax usb hosting onto the N900 we can attach one of these: http://www.stantum.com/spip.php?article74 with some kernel patching | 19:35 |
| javispedro | and when I'm pessimist I'm usually never wrong ;) | 19:35 |
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| javispedro | I dunno wheter optify Maemo4 packages or not. | 19:37 |
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| javispedro | well, since there hasn't been any serious discussion about creating the /opt partition, I'd say not. | 19:37 |
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| b-man17 | heh | 19:38 |
| b-man17 | netsplit ;) | 19:38 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 19:39 |
| javispedro | precision on stratum touchscreen: 0.5mm :) | 19:39 |
| b-man17 | hello | 19:39 |
| javispedro | s/stratum/stantum | 19:39 |
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| javispedro | hello. | 19:39 |
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| EspadaV8 | err.. doi need to register garage.m.o and talk.m.o as 2 different accounts? | 19:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yes | 19:43 |
| EspadaV8 | grrr | 19:43 |
| EspadaV8 | that's annoying | 19:43 |
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| JosefAssad | I'd recommend staying away from capital letters when registering on g.m.o | 19:45 |
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| EspadaV8 | yeah, i did register in mixed case, but it lowered them all | 19:45 |
| EspadaV8 | EspadaV8 -> espadav8 | 19:46 |
| EspadaV8 | t.m.o took the mixed case | 19:46 |
| javispedro | I seriously think optifying file size threshold is too low. Even the gconf schema file goes to /opt . | 19:46 |
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| javispedro | along with all icons save for the 26x26 one (good lord!) | 19:47 |
| javispedro | so, the 48x48 icon goes to /opt, but the one in the debian control file stays in the rootfs... | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | </light-rant> | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | maemo-optify | 19:49 |
| EspadaV8 | no idea | 19:49 |
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| * Firebird votes for cloning rootfs to the 32gb | 19:52 | |
| * b-man17 does too | 19:52 | |
| javispedro | doesn't matter. every package will be optified. | 19:52 |
| javispedro | *will have to be. | 19:52 |
| EspadaV8 | who are the admins for the extras uploads? | 19:53 |
| EspadaV8 | is that a nokia thing? | 19:53 |
| Firebird | really? hmm, mine aren't optified yet | 19:53 |
| javispedro | iirc a package installing more than half a mibibyte of files to / will not pass extras QA. | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | wouldn't optifying maemo4 packages break them since there's no /opt on maemo4? | 19:54 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: there's /opt, only in rootfs. | 19:54 |
| javispedro | so it just creates and aditional symlink wasting space. | 19:54 |
| javispedro | s/and/an. | 19:54 |
| Firebird | ah | 19:55 |
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| * GeneralAntilles shudders. | 19:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Supporting locked and unlocked users may very well kill me. | 19:56 |
| Firebird | javispedro, so if anyone has hard coded paths they need to change it to /opt ? | 19:56 |
| javispedro | Firebird: not necessarily if you run the default "Optifier", since it will fill / with symlinks to every file created in /opt. | 19:57 |
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| Ceron^ | anyone tried OpenTTD on n900!? | 19:57 |
| Firebird | ah, symlinks | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and capacitive | 19:57 |
| javispedro | capacitive... | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe Nokia bowled over for the Engadget retard brigade. | 19:57 |
| javispedro | Ceron^: what happens? | 19:57 |
| Ceron^ | btw, can i get an external mouse + keyboard plugged into the n900? :D | 19:57 |
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| Ceron^ | http://twitpic.com/h39sw | 19:58 |
| Firebird | win! | 19:58 |
| b-man17 | gah | 19:58 |
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| javispedro | Ceron^: go to Game Options and change window resolution. | 19:59 |
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| Ceron^ | i want to play openttd with an external mouse + keyboard on 50" screen | 20:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what happened to old school of having /usr, /opt, /home and a few others on a different filesystem than / | 20:00 | |
| Corsac | there was a thread on debian-devel recently :) | 20:00 |
| javispedro | it's back. | 20:00 |
| Firebird | aww, drag-lock deleted itself again | 20:01 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | omcfadde: In Quake 3, are you always meant to be moving forward? :p | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | kynky: C-TS never will overcome inherent inability to sense a pinpoint sylus, not in 2011 and not in 20 years. || Multitouch is no exclusive feature of C-TS. MT for R-TS is a rather old technique, and it's basically rather simple. | 20:11 |
| javispedro | doesn't matter. marketing has spoken. | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | kynky: and then there are quite some not so wellknown other technologies for TS. Like force detect, surface wave... | 20:13 |
| javispedro | heh, package n900-fmrx-enabler :P | 20:13 |
| javispedro | Ceron^: I'm the maintainer (currently) for OpenTTD port, so if you experience any problem tell me. | 20:14 |
| Ceron^ | i dont own a n900 that is my problem | 20:15 |
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| Firebird | ...does the N810 USB cable work with the N900? | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Firebird: should. why not? | 20:15 |
| Firebird | didn't realize it was the same USB plug until now | 20:16 |
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| javispedro | Ceron^: ah. | 20:17 |
| javispedro | Ceron^: ah. then, answering your question: you cannot play openttd on 50'' screen with external mouse. | 20:17 |
| javispedro | because tv out resolution is hardcoded AFAIK and no USB Host support. | 20:17 |
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| Ceron^ | javispedro: what about bluetooth mouse + keyboard? | 20:18 |
| javispedro | Ceron^: more probable, but not out of the box either., | 20:18 |
| Ceron^ | i have seen ppl using wiimote | 20:18 |
| johnsq | Ceron^: n8x0 | 20:19 |
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| javispedro | and you'd need to contact me to get a build capable of drawing the mouse pointer (i removed it from the current one). | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ceron^: BT mouse&kbd should work, I'd guess. If plug in to USB works ootb depends on whether Nokia spent a USB-hostmode power supply | 20:20 |
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| Mek | there is no usb hostmode at all (and it is not known yet if that is fixable in software) | 20:21 |
| johnsq | after the price the showstopper of n900 | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | That's been discussed widely, and my notion on that still is the SoC-IF for sure is capable of hostmode protocol | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | Can somebody ship the old iconset for FBReader. | 20:22 |
| GAN800 | The new one is so ugly. | 20:22 |
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| * GAN800 wishes rtcomm would respect the 'screen name' setting. | 20:24 | |
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| timeless | help | 20:31 |
| timeless | i have a problem :) | 20:31 |
| timeless | can someone help me manage .po files? | 20:32 |
| timeless | someone gave me changed po files wv the po entries in an order randomly different from my own | 20:32 |
| timeless | is there a tool that can do something useful about that? | 20:33 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, ping? | 20:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: yep? | 20:33 |
| GAN800 | Where do I get the gles common package? | 20:33 |
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| paul0 | weird, i can't remove connections saved in my N800 | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Nokia-binaries | 20:34 |
| paul0 | also, it doesn't connect to any wifi network | 20:34 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, ugh. | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: I had some dep problems, however, so I just downloaded the deb files from there manually and forced an install | 20:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Quake 3 now runs but it has some odd gameplay | 20:35 |
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| * javispedro reads about Harmattan "open" and "closed" modes. WTF. | 20:35 | |
| timeless | url? | 20:36 |
| javispedro | timeless: http://www.coveritlive.com/mobile.php?option=com_mobile&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=fe89a01dd2&start=3 | 20:36 |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, too lazy. I'll install it when they get their shit together. | 20:36 |
| MoonTiger | is the n810 dead now? | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | No | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | 3D drivers coming out in two weeks | 20:37 |
| MoonTiger | i thought the n900 wa the new all-singing all-dancing wonderkid who was going to change the world | 20:38 |
| GAN800 | It is | 20:38 |
| MoonTiger | 3d drivers for n810??!! | 20:38 |
| GAN800 | But it didn't kill current N810s. | 20:38 |
| MoonTiger | good cos i love my n810 | 20:38 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 20:38 | |
| javispedro | and wtf does http://www.flickr.com/photos/mackarus/4001102936/ mean? | 20:38 |
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| * GAN800 wonders how Clutter will run. | 20:39 | |
| johnsq | javispedro: it supports only 500mhz terminal design problems | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It means what it says on the tin. | 20:39 |
| Xisdibik | GAN800: on what | 20:39 |
| GAN800 | Weird | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: locking it at high frequency will damage it - for whatever reason | 20:40 |
| johnsq | s/terminal/therminal | 20:40 |
| MoonTiger | is the n810 being open sourced in effect? | 20:40 |
| javispedro | and those kind of things are lost in a slide in a flicker photograph? | 20:40 |
| javispedro | I hope the builtin cpufreq handles that. | 20:40 |
| MoonTiger | i just got my n810 back from palco after being repaired ... 2 months | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | MoonTiger, not really. | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | But it means Mer can probably do some cool stuff. | 20:41 |
| Xisdibik | I feel the pain MoonTiger, I sent my subwoofer amp back for repairs (20 business days + shipping). took the person over 2 months before it was even shipped back :/ | 20:41 |
| Xisdibik | i feel your pain* | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | javispedro, I'm sure it does. | 20:41 |
| Xisdibik | lol just woke up :/ | 20:41 |
| MoonTiger | and then they got the shipping data wrong and customs here wanted to charge me $120 import duty | 20:43 |
| MoonTiger | *sigh* | 20:43 |
| Xisdibik | ^ didnt have that | 20:44 |
| Xisdibik | that sux though | 20:44 |
| MoonTiger | yah ... i kinda lost it with them on the fone ... after 2 months of waiting that was too much | 20:45 |
| MoonTiger | so they paid it by refunding the cost of the repair | 20:45 |
| MoonTiger | was nice of them | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | iirc TI specs lists the expected lifetime for "overdrive" at >500MHz | 20:46 |
| GAN800 | Who has MicroB running on Diablo? ;) | 20:47 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has browserd disabled, and proud of it | 20:48 | |
| javispedro | Me. Why? | 20:48 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if it's just a thermal issue. | 20:48 | |
| MoonTiger | GAN800, are these 3d drivers going to be in a ota update? | 20:48 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: i found this... http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/4781/ | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if you've got cunt density issues going on too like in the nvidia case. | 20:48 |
| javispedro | doesn't say much tho. | 20:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "cunt density"? | 20:49 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Hen night | 20:49 |
| b-man17 | does the browser in Maaemo 5 use browserd? | 20:50 |
| MoonTiger | qwerty12_N810, i was wondering about that too | 20:50 |
| GAN800 | MoonTiger, no. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Intreresting | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | current density | 20:50 |
| MoonTiger | GAN800, oh ok | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | The nvida gpu issue was partially due to the high current flow through balls, combined with thermal issues. | 20:51 |
| GAN800 | MoonTiger, if somebody in the community gets their shit together enough to ship a community SSU, then maybe. | 20:51 |
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| javispedro | bah, how quickly one releases an open device then goes back to making more closed ones. | 20:52 |
| GAN800 | Harmattan? | 20:53 |
| javispedro | yes. | 20:53 |
| GAN800 | Yeah. :/ | 20:53 |
| GAN800 | We'll see. | 20:53 |
| konttori__ | b-man17: yes, it uses browserd | 20:54 |
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| konttori__ | that's the architecture of microb | 20:54 |
| GAN800 | The whole canvas concept just leaves me thinking that will be a fucking pain in the ass. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | plus capacitive screen... not buying. | 20:55 |
| javispedro | well, not linking what I see so far. | 20:55 |
| javispedro | s/linking/liking. | 20:55 |
| GAN800 | Harmattan sounds like . . . lots of things I don't want. | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Harmattan sounds like Symbian/WinMo | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe they'll slash the n900 price and continue to sell it | 20:55 |
| GAN800 | This, of course, is why I was fearing the whole 'mainstream' thing. | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | Maybe | 20:56 |
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| javispedro | guess this answers the "why" question. | 20:56 |
| GAN800 | Maemo Devices feels like it's being taken over by the marketing droids. | 20:56 |
| * GAN800 sighs | 20:56 | |
| * javispedro depresses. | 20:56 | |
| b-man17 | hmm | 20:57 |
| GAN800 | Hopefully we'll know more soon so I don't waste my time longer than is necessary. | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Worst (best) case. | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | if someone made working handwriting recognition for asian languages maybe there's be resistive version for asian market :) | 20:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some other smaller maker notices the moderate interest in n900 and thinks that opensource is cool, and runs with mer+... | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | The platform is going to diverge more from desktop Debian. And I can't see that as a good thing. | 20:59 |
| GAN800 | Maybe we can watch Anssi get on stage again next year and tell us how to use Facebook. | 20:59 |
| javispedro | At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if someone "suggests" dropping Xorg altogether because "Xorg support for multitouch sucks"/"performance" or whatever reasons. | 20:59 |
| MoonTiger | my problem with the n900 (well one of them) is the size ... its too small 'cos it had to be a fone as well | 21:00 |
| MoonTiger | that res of screen on a device that small is silly | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | It's really not. | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Res is stupid. | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | You cannot see >200dpi | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | The screen is amazing. | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure - it'd be amazing at 200dpi | 21:00 |
| GAN800 | You don't notice the size difference | 21:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | MoonTiger: Looking at the one in my hands, I can safely say that it is awesome | 21:00 |
| MoonTiger | i think the n810 screen is wonderful ... the n900 is significantly smaller | 21:00 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I can see 1px in n810, and my sight is not good at all. | 21:00 |
| MoonTiger | really? | 21:01 |
| GAN800 | SpeedEvil, that's clearly not a completely arbitray number. | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: sure - you can see 1px | 21:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: can you see the difference between 1px at 300dpi, and 1px at 200dpi | 21:01 |
| GAN800 | MoonTiger, it's really not significantly smaller. | 21:01 |
| MoonTiger | i just bought a n86 fone so i dont need a n900 for a good while yet | 21:01 |
| javispedro | seeing 1px means you can perceive visual benefits from > 200dpi screens. | 21:01 |
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| GAN800 | I don't want to see any pixels. | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It doesn't | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I can see an individual star. | 21:02 |
| Ronaldo38741 | I see dead people | 21:02 |
| MoonTiger | hehe | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: This does not mean that my eyes resolution is 1/star-visual-size | 21:02 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Wait, wrong channel | 21:02 |
| * GAN800 launches ph's out of a cannon at MoonTiger. . . . | 21:02 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: this is the usual "25fps is not enough for the human eye if not motion blurred" discussion. | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: not quite. | 21:02 |
| * MoonTiger ducks | 21:02 | |
| GAN800 | Grapeshot. | 21:02 |
| MoonTiger | heh | 21:03 |
| glass__ | 25fps is enough for asteroids | 21:03 |
| MoonTiger | i have my new t500 + my repaired n810 + my new n86 ... i have enough tech right now | 21:03 |
| javispedro | no, not that discussion again :=) | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | SpeedEvil, speaking as somebody whose used both. The resolution is not 'silly'. | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: It's that at some point, the eye physically cannot resolve between text at - say 300 and 400 dpi | 21:03 |
| GAN800 | SpeedEvil, well, we aint there yet. | 21:04 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: however, you can note a difference between quality of text at 200dpi and 300dpi | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Personally, I can't - unless the device is under perhaps 15cm away. | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | And ... | 21:04 |
| javispedro | exactly the current distance between me and my n8x0 | 21:04 |
| javispedro | well, 20cm. | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | For that use-case, sure. | 21:05 |
| javispedro | either way, It's not something I would flame about. | 21:06 |
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| javispedro | it's good, but not dealbreaker. | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | You do know you can get 10cm bifocal length glasses - to make optimal use of the resolution? | 21:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | What really pisses me off is 100dpi desktop monitors. | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Because that's well below the point I was mentioning above | 21:07 |
| javispedro | true, but I sit at a greater distance on my desktop monitor. | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Not to mention widescreen, but that's a seperate issue. | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | we need a new unit | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | pixels / degree | 21:08 |
| * javispedro shudders at mention of blessed, signed firmware | 21:09 | |
| * GeneralAntilles wants the new goddamn firmware. | 21:09 | |
| ShadowJK | when I have n810 it fills approximately same field of view as my desktop's monitor... slightly less | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, somebody should probably mention to people to avoid subsidized units. ;) | 21:10 |
| javispedro | and as usual marketing always says "it's for protecting the user against viruses". | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Support. Nightmare. | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | First question to everybody who comes in here is going to have to be: "Where did you get your device?" | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: I blame the goddamn Summit | 21:10 |
| glass__ | javispedro: i just hope they learnt something from symbian on that.. | 21:10 |
| javispedro | They took too much beer at the summit. | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamnit Summit indeed. | 21:10 |
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| javispedro | "most apps will run in unlocked mode". yeah. | 21:11 |
| * GeneralAntilles will just install a custom kernel. | 21:11 | |
| ShadowJK | bootloader disables drm for unsigned kernels :) | 21:12 |
| javispedro | by the time, I will probably go back to embedded x86. | 21:12 |
| javispedro | arm is doomed. | 21:12 |
| javispedro | MWAHAHA | 21:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, fine by me. ;) | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | From a marketing POV - they have to keep it closed enough to stop a random maker from china putting an OS the users already know on the device. | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | on their device | 21:14 |
| javispedro | that explains why they keep the Sketch app closed. | 21:14 |
| johnsq | SpeedEvil: thats thinking of 100 years back | 21:15 |
| javispedro | but not why all the new DRM fuss. | 21:15 |
| range | So all the game makers will make their games for maemo. :) | 21:15 |
| range | I can understand it for business lockdown, though. | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I've argued for some time that microsoft went into DRM in a big way so as to stall linux for a bit. | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Oh - I can't play ... under linux' | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | (media content) | 21:16 |
| javispedro | replace media with media, games and software. | 21:16 |
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| range | I don't think that the drm thing is a good step to get people into programming free software for the devices. | 21:17 |
| range | Apple, I despise you. | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 21:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ahaha http://www.flickr.com/photos/43419012@N04/4001322448/ | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | The conspiracy theorists will have a field day with that one. | 21:19 |
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| javispedro | NOOOOOOOO the N900 has the usb connector on the wrong side. dealbreaker. | 21:20 |
| * GeneralAntilles hits lbt. | 21:20 | |
| * GeneralAntilles is going to start issuing 24 bans to people who keep making me move wiki pages. | 21:20 | |
| Firebird | javispedro, is that on talk.maemo? | 21:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | http://wiki.maemo.org/MoveMeGeneralAntilles | 21:21 |
| javispedro | nope, just saw a photo >:) | 21:21 |
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| b-man17 | lol | 21:23 |
| Lupu | javispedro: I thought the same thing. | 21:23 |
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| sheepbat | I know, javispedro | 21:23 |
| sheepbat | I just saw that too | 21:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stupid phone app takes way too long to switch between landscape and portrait. | 21:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It goes back and forth at least 3 times as you're taking it out of your pocket so you can't even answer the call. | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and turning off landscape just makes it obnoxious to use for VoIP. <_< | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | feature-complete with symbian then :) | 21:27 |
| javispedro | sigh. | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | or should i say bug for bug compatibility | 21:28 |
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| sheepbat | does it freeze in the middle of a call? | 21:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sheepbat, huh? | 21:36 |
| sheepbat | my E62 does that on occasion | 21:37 |
| sheepbat | which means that, yes, my winmo phone is *more* stable than my symbian phone | 21:37 |
| sheepbat | good god, that sounds sad | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | all this talk about speeddialing and what not on tmo... doesn't anyone else have the issue with phones that it's too easy to call people accidentally | 21:38 |
| glass | rarely nowadays | 21:38 |
| * ShadowJK 'd need a "you're about to make a call, are you sure or did you just press the weong button?" | 21:38 | |
| ShadowJK | especially with shortcuts everywhere that start a call | 21:39 |
| sheepbat | i'm pretty good about it | 21:39 |
| sheepbat | I turn off the display before sticking the phone into my pocket, and that works pretty well | 21:39 |
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| ShadowJK | no I mean when using it | 21:39 |
| glass | ah.. different thing | 21:40 |
| ShadowJK | not keylock-fail type accidents | 21:40 |
| sheepbat | hmm.. yeah, I don't have that problem either.. | 21:41 |
| sheepbat | I rarely call people anyway | 21:42 |
| ShadowJK | I rarely call people | 21:42 |
| javispedro | ouch, maemo-optify not on chinook extras. | 21:43 |
| ShadowJK | but like, the other day I was sending an sms aon my e75 and accidentally started a call instead | 21:43 |
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| ShadowJK | damn make call shortcut where I expected send message... | 21:43 |
| sheepbat | oh.. I know one particularly annoying thing... | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | in google maps | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | search for a business | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | and the first thing you can do with the result is *call* them | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | I've been very cautious and managed to avoid it | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | but I could see that getting really annoying | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 21:45 |
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| mgedmin | ha! eat my socks proxy over ssh over http proxy, silly hotel wifi firewall | 22:32 |
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| mgedmin | tsocks + ssh + proxytunnel + apache + mod_proxy_connect = win | 22:33 |
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| Proteous | heh | 22:42 |
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| MoonTiger | does anyone know if screen rotation is possible with the latest n810 firmaware? | 22:44 |
| Firebird | officially? no. | 22:46 |
| Firebird | erm, officially/out of the box | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://outpo.st/rotate/ | 22:46 |
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| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, what's the 48MHz patch do? | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ups the bus speed on the MMC buses. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | But TI hasn't certified it to operate above 12MHz | 22:47 |
| Firebird | ah | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because there are stability issues with certain cards. | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | For most people you'll see a marginal speed boost. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | For some, it could cook your card. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though the usual failure symptom is simple not being able to see the card until you reduce the bus speed. | 22:48 |
| rm_you | advanced backlight does some rotation if you install a few helper packages | 22:52 |
| rm_you | mgedmin: we tried the same thing yesterday but failed | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | blog post coming | 22:52 |
| rm_you | what port was your http proxy on | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, you find anybody to figure out xmodmap? | 22:53 |
| rm_you | no :/ | 22:53 |
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| rm_you | i think that really may be the wrong way to do it tho | 22:53 |
| rm_you | should really be app specific support :/ | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | My explorations have been complete and utter fail so far. | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | With xmodmap or directly modifying the symbols files. | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think Nokia is doing something dirty. | 22:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, what should be app-specific? | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, making ctrl-right arrow send tab? :P | 22:54 |
| rm_you | i can see rotating the screen with ABL and then having apps that are rotation sensitive try to figurem it out | 22:54 |
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| rm_you | being bad | 22:54 |
| rm_you | oh | 22:55 |
| rm_you | sorry | 22:55 |
| rm_you | i read xrandr | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, rotation should be accelerometer based per-app. | 22:55 |
| rm_you | was already thinking about trotation :P | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needed to figure out xmodmap while we had the Nokians there. <_< | 22:55 |
| rm_you | :/ | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be really easy to get all of the missing characters if we can get shift-fn working. | 22:55 |
| rm_you | welli i'm at dinner with timeless... | 22:56 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ask him why they broke spacebar scrolling. <_< | 22:56 |
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| rm_you | ? | 22:56 |
| rm_you | in what | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | MicroB | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It scrolls about 1.2x the total page width. | 22:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like the reverse of keeping lines when paging. <_< | 22:56 |
| rm_you | he isnt sure | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ask him why you can't use the fucking arrow keys with the address bar. That shit drives me crazy | 22:57 |
| rm_you | lol | 22:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810! | 22:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's like Nokia put a keyboard on here and then removed half of its functionality. | 22:57 |
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| * GeneralAntilles throws Camels at lbt. | 22:57 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | For some reason ctrl-n opens a new window in the browser | 22:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO CLOSE IT WITH THE KEYBOARD | 22:58 |
| zerojay_N900 | lol | 22:58 |
| lbt | hey GeneralAntilles :) | 22:58 |
| rm_you | heh | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, like I told Quim, I'm going to start docking karma points for CamelCased wiki articles. :P | 22:58 |
| rm_you | where are you lbt | 22:58 |
| lbt | oh, I missed the space | 22:59 |
| lbt | just got home | 22:59 |
| lbt | well, got home a while back | 22:59 |
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| lbt | am I on planet maemo yet? | 23:00 |
| lbt | mmm... yep | 23:01 |
| rm_you | general: he says to take screenshots before and after a scroll | 23:01 |
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| rm_you | ctrl-shift-p for screenshot | 23:01 |
| lbt | how come some articles get 1 line of intro, others get a few paragraphs | 23:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lbt, there's a hard cut-off at 1000 words. | 23:02 |
| * mgedmin blogs about ssh and http proxies | 23:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, and the snipping script isn't totally intelligent. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Patches welcome. | 23:02 |
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| lbt | GeneralAntilles: hmm, it did one line : | 23:02 |
| lbt | :( | 23:02 |
| mgedmin | oh crap, add DNAT into that mix and I can't use ssh over socks over ssh over http to ssh into the same host as the host doing the http proxying since the internal and external ip addresses are different from the remote lan perspective | 23:03 |
| lbt | makes it less likely to be read - and it is an important subject | 23:03 |
| mgedmin | a cookie to anybody who can figure out what I said | 23:03 |
| lbt | mgedmin: you can't do that | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, like I said, patches welcome. ;) | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk to X-Fade if you need details. | 23:03 |
| lbt | show me the git repo | 23:04 |
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| * lbt looks at his handwritten iptables knock/ssh rules | 23:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: does it matter? the addresses requested are requested at the proxy level | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | it matters, because when I use the external IP, I'm connecting to the router | 23:05 |
| mgedmin | the router can DNAT my connection from the outside in, but it cannot DNAT it from the inside back in | 23:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, they're on my photostream. :D | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: I mean if you connect to bar, with foo as the router, and then connect to 10.0.0.48 through bar, not 'bar' | 23:06 |
| mgedmin | and this means I can't push my blog entry over ssh... | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: if that makes sense. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4002384820/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4001623335/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4002387054/ | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: or a hosts entry for bar's internal address | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | it's "svn commit" that does the "connect to the.external.hostname" bit, I can hardly tell it to use the internal address | 23:07 |
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| mgedmin | unless I svn switch --relocate, which would be a pain | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | a temporary hosts entry would be interesting | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: hosts? | 23:07 |
| mgedmin | thank! | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:08 |
| mgedmin | I wish tsocks would redirect DNS queries to the proxy side... | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, 2 spacebar presses. | 23:08 |
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| * GeneralAntilles loves Flickr sharing. | 23:09 | |
| zerojay_N900 | me too. | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | The tag cloud is going to get a bit . . . crowded soon, though. | 23:09 |
| mgedmin | yay it worked! | 23:10 |
| zerojay_N900 | im still at the subject of my last pic. | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, perpetrate. ;) | 23:10 |
| mgedmin | shame this doesn't help me ssh into my n900; the wifi ap here doesn't allow client-to-client communication at all afaics | 23:11 |
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| rm_you | garbeam: he said some stuff about ctrl-w being dangerous because theres no umdo action for accidentally hitting it, while ctrl-n doesnt risk data loss | 23:12 |
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| rm_you | mgedmin: adhoc? bluetooth pan? usb nat? | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | adhoc = fail on my laptop side (iwl3945) | 23:12 |
| mgedmin | pan = massive usability fail, tried, gave up screaming in frustration | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | usb?? cables are for hobos | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, hopefully we can patch it. <_< | 23:13 |
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| mgedmin | btw the pan thing was with my n810, not the n900 | 23:13 |
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| mgedmin | user-friendly pan would rock | 23:13 |
| mgedmin | a n900 pretending to be a wifi ap (with dhcp and 3g connection sharing) would rock even more | 23:14 |
| mgedmin | I wonder if the hardware is capable of that | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: they are selling those in the UK | 23:15 |
| mgedmin | then I wonder if the driver is capable of that | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.three.co.uk/Mobile_Broadband/MiFi | 23:15 |
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| wazd | http://maemo.nokia.com/images/app-screens/cache/amazon-screens-500x300.jpg | 23:16 |
| wazd | eeeew | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Why eww? | 23:16 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: it's completely tasteless :D | 23:16 |
| wazd | SpeedEvil: I mean completely :) | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - right - missed the context | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, I'd sleep with one eye open tonight. Jaffa's probably out to get you: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sjgadsby/4002367396/ :P | 23:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, agreed. | 23:17 |
| lbt | GeneralAntilles: fixed ... can I have a +thumb now | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you're an http://Amazon.com exec. | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, not done reading. :P | 23:17 |
| lbt | <grin> | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | jaffa already left the country, I believe | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | I should be safe until next summit | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's what you think. | 23:17 |
| mgedmin | I wish flickr wouldn't stall so I could see why I'm supposed to worry | 23:17 |
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| wazd | GAN900: the only thing worse is Fring for Maemo | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, Fring. | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | kindle could be more open | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | lots | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still have nightmares about them adding the SDK repo to the device with a .install for a piece of software ONLY NEWBIES EVER USE. | 23:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, this may help: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/4002367396_ec2d13d01c.jpg | 23:19 |
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| mgedmin | oh dear, is that my evil twin? | 23:19 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 can't decide who's the scary one | 23:20 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, fine, lbt, you get a heart. | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 23:20 |
| rm_you | did i miss something? :P | 23:20 |
| lbt | heh | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, yes, be a good sock puppet and heart lbt's post here: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 23:20 |
| lbt | security talk? | 23:20 |
| mgedmin | wtf geotags have the same silly presets every time? | 23:21 |
| rm_you | yeah i added amsterdam but next time it was gone | 23:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I like this presentation: http://www.joaquimrocha.com/2009/10/11/adapting-gnome-applications-to-maemo-fremantle-slides/ | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | adding tags for multiple images one by one is not fun | 23:22 |
| mgedmin | tag an image and try to swipe to the next one | 23:23 |
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| mgedmin | in the middle of your swipe the old image reloads and you end up looking at the same thing | 23:24 |
| mgedmin | with confusing and bewildering visual effects | 23:24 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wants the new firmware so he can file some damn bugs. | 23:25 | |
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| mgedmin | duh, there's a tag multiple images option in the menu if I go back to the list | 23:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, ah, good to know. | 23:26 |
| mgedmin | crap, the virtual kb takes too long to show up | 23:26 |
| mgedmin | what I do is this: tap an input field, wait 1 second, decide the vkb is not going to appear, slide open the device | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | as soon as I do that the vkb pops up | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | I try hitting vkb keys, since it did appear | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | To anybody that now has a device, find yourself a decent pair of headphones and list to the application launch sound with them. | 23:27 |
| mgedmin | but within 1 second it goes away again | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia creates a new set of virtual input bugs everytime they hit a major release. | 23:27 |
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| mgedmin | GeneralAntilles: what's special about that sound? | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, it sounds exactly like somebody is going "schwit" into a microphone. | 23:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | With cans, it sounds like a Nokian is standing over your shoulder and doing the system effects live. | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Cracks me up everytime I hear it. | 23:29 |
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| * Tadthebuilder hates drm | 23:29 | |
| mgedmin | sharing via service: click options, don't change anything, click done | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | nothing happens | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | for a second or two | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | which is when I start clicking done again | 23:30 |
| mgedmin | right at that moment the dialog closes and I end up clicking share | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's obnoxious. | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like there are missing "Just hang on, I'm doing something" indicators in a lot of places. | 23:31 |
| mgedmin | and since I go through the dialog in the normal order (top-down, left-right), it means I update title, description, tags, then click options, and end up sharing on the WRONG ACCOUNT | 23:31 |
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| * Tadthebuilder will never buy an audible audio book again | 23:36 | |
| mgedmin | what do they do? use a speech synthesizer? | 23:38 |
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| mgedmin | stuff it full of ads? | 23:39 |
| mgedmin | put drm in? | 23:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | drm | 23:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | i did not think that it wou,ld | 23:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | cause its through amazon | 23:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | and amazon's music is drmless | 23:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | but its drmed | 23:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | DRM really needs to die. | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | and Im having trouble locating a free program | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | to remove it | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | (tons of expensive ones) | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | it looks like Im going to have to take a cd drive out of a different computer | 23:40 |
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| Tadthebuilder | burn it to cd (which it will let you do) | 23:40 |
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| Tadthebuilder | and then rip it | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I lose some quality with that | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | you can put it on some mp3 player | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | s | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | my n800 is not one of them | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | of course | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | any virtualization solutions support virtual cd burning (into image files)? | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | that should be possible | 23:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | as well | 23:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 23:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im having trouble doing that in windows | 23:41 |
| javispedro | damn kirby's dream course, battery out in hole 8 :( | 23:41 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Awesome game. | 23:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | I can do it linux without a problem | 23:41 |
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| Tadthebuilder | Agreed | 23:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | that is an awesome game | 23:41 |
| mgedmin | what was that windows virtual cd drive thingy, and does it support "burning"? | 23:41 |
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| mgedmin | daemon tools or something | 23:41 |
| zerojay | javispedro: What's new in today's SNES update? | 23:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | well I have daemon tools light, but it does not support burning | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | atleast as far as I can tell | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | like I said | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont use windows much | 23:42 |
| zerojay | Yes, Daemon tools. | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | so... | 23:42 |
| javispedro | zerojay: minor things with onscreen buttons. Addison kept bugging me about them ;) | 23:42 |
| * mgedmin plugged in the charger and was scared by the sound effect from outer space | 23:42 | |
| javispedro | ah, and optified on maemo. | 23:42 |
| javispedro | s/maemo/fremantle. | 23:42 |
| * mgedmin was using the silent profile since the very beginning, out of consideration for the summit participants | 23:42 | |
| zerojay | I think Alcohol 120% supports both. | 23:42 |
| javispedro | only missing for extras-testing is an onscreen exit button now. | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | let me see what that will cost me... | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | swee | 23:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | t | 23:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | looks like a fifteen day trial | 23:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | unlimited uses though | 23:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | by that I mean it looks like it is not a limited trial other than the time period | 23:44 |
| zerojay | ioquake3 is available, but missing a dependency still. :/ | 23:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles considers trying again to get Quake 3 running. . . . | 23:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, it's in Nokia Binaries. | 23:44 |
| mgedmin | why does planet.maemo.org have to do javascripty-uploads? if it wants to track hits, why can't it do http redirects? | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N900 | zerojay: grab it from nokia-binaries | 23:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm way too lazy to try to extricate it. | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N900 | it's how I got it working on this N900 | 23:44 |
| javispedro | nokia-binaries to device? O.o | 23:45 |
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| mgedmin | zerojay, I saw with my own eyes someone install ioquake3 from extras-devel | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | the dependencies have been fixed | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | apparently | 23:45 |
| mgedmin | still, no data files -> no fun | 23:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those I've got. | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Demo files should be usable, right? | 23:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only about 50MB | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N900 | yep | 23:46 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: Well, it's not there... so... | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | hm | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | maybe he had bounce installed and you don't | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mgedmin: you were at the Summit, is quake 3 meant to move forward automatically | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | I haven't seen quake 3 on a nxxx | 23:48 |
| zerojay | I have bounce installed. | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | s/nxxx/nit/ | 23:48 |
| infobot | mgedmin meant: I haven't seen quake 3 on a nit | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | mgedmin: bounce installed/not-installed isn't relevant | 23:48 |
| qwerty12_N900 | ah | 23:48 |
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| mgedmin | I thought maybe some other app had pulled that dependency from the nokia repo | 23:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, no wonder. | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | okay, actually I've no idea why I thought that | 23:49 |
| zerojay | opengles-sgx-img-common is missing. | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | in retrospect, it makes no sense | 23:49 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | It's fun to play, but the way it moves forward and aims for you automatically is weird | 23:50 |
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| Ceron^ | why cant we get a market person from nokia to this channel to tell us when the first n900 will ship | 23:53 |
| kirma | whoever maintains n900wallpapers.com could remove my broken wallpaper submission. obviously at least grayscale+alpha png wasn't very well accepted by the site... | 23:54 |
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| mgedmin | Ceron^: I bet they don't know themselves | 23:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, they need newer versions? | 23:54 |
| mgedmin | "when the critical firmware bugs are fixed" | 23:55 |
| Ceron^ | is the n900 really that unfinnished | 23:55 |
| javispedro | kirma: I believe he's not here, but at least on tmo. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Ceron^: They are all busy wrapping. | 23:55 |
| mgedmin | there are some rough corners | 23:55 |
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| mgedmin | e.g. bluetooth file transfers are kinda totally broken | 23:55 |
| kirma | javispedro: "tmo" ? | 23:55 |
| mgedmin | browser's addon user interface is horrible | 23:55 |
| javispedro | talk.maemo.org | 23:55 |
| kirma | I should probably finally create an user account there... if I don't have some ancient one already :) | 23:56 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't speak openid? | 23:56 |
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| zerojay | Ceron^: It's done when it's done. It's for these reasons Nokia doesn't give out release dates. | 23:58 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: Bluetooth transfer worked fine for me. And I'm on older firmware. It was just somewhat slow. | 23:59 |
| zerojay | mgedmin: And the addon user interface is Firefox's and hasn't been finished yet. | 23:59 |
| mgedmin | zerojay: bluetooth OPP into a n900 fails with big files | 23:59 |
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