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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, ready for your talks? ;) | 00:03 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: did one today | 00:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Went well? | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, see if you can get somebody to figure out xmodmap. | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not participating for me here. | 00:15 |
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| * zerojay yawwwwwns. | 00:43 | |
| * GeneralAntilles stabs xmodmap. | 00:43 | |
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| * xmodmap shanks GeneralAntilles | 00:43 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles bleeds out. | 00:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Anything I try to change with xmodmap seems to die. | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell did Nokia do? | 00:44 |
| zemm29 | fail? | 00:45 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: I'm going to have to give the source for my wallpapers package if I want it in Extras, apparently. I ended up just manually creating the .deb though. :/ | 00:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sucksucksuck | 00:46 |
| zerojay | So I'm not exactly sure what to give them. :) | 00:46 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Once I have the source for the package... what do I do to get it into extras-testing/extras-devel? | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Throw it at the builder | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Using dput or the Extras assistant. | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: The point is to just use the source package given; grab the tar.gz, fill up the data folder with your backgrounds, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot for a deb :p | 00:47 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Yeah, the problem is I can't run anything having to do with dpkg. | 00:47 |
| zerojay | I guess I'll just have to reinstall the SDK. | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | vmware! | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, I thought you still had it installed | 00:48 |
| zerojay | I did. | 00:48 |
| * frals bashes his head against the lack of documentation on sms handling in fremantle | 00:48 | |
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| zerojay | And sometime between now and the last time I ran it a few weeks ago... something got fucked up, I guess. I can't login to scratchbox anymore. | 00:48 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 wonders what was done to osso-chess-ui for Nokia to close-source it in Fremantle | 00:49 | |
| zerojay | They did? | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/df09f53b | 00:49 |
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| javispedro | osso-chess-ui was open source? | 00:49 |
| javispedro | lmao http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-chess-ui/ | 00:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Do I need to do something different to get another level with fn+shift+ | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | ? | 00:50 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: By the way, glad you liked Streets of Rage. I was checking the IRC log for #maemo at work when I came across what you said. :) | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro, zerojay: The Diablo one is open, the Fremantle one is not | 00:50 |
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| javispedro | I even have source code for a osso-games-startup plugin. | 00:50 |
| javispedro | here, readily available at my own fingers! | 00:51 |
| * javispedro is stuuupid. | 00:51 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Thanks, I've been wanting one for ages :) | 00:51 |
| zerojay | I had to make it taller, so I made the middle area larger. | 00:51 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 needs to find a way to run XChat in college... probably result in my ass getting banned, but I'ma #maemo addict | 00:52 | |
| zerojay | Best thing about classic games is that everything's based on tiles, so you can throw a grid on the image and copy and paste tiles. | 00:52 |
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| ShadowJK_ | qwerty12_N810, xchat on n900? ;-) | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ShadowJK_: I don't know the College's WEP (Yes, WEP) key :/ | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | WEP. Lollerskates. | 00:53 |
| zerojay | Anything on how to uninstall the current beta2 SDK? | 00:54 |
| javispedro | at least it's not unusable-without-my-plugin eduroam wpa2 with pap auth. | 00:54 |
| frals | thank god my university is using peap-mschapv2 on eduroam | 00:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I guess it would be a nice opportunity to see if packet injection works on it... | 00:55 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Oh, do you have the osso-games-startup source code at hand? | 00:56 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 00:56 |
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| javispedro | for nearly any version you want. | 00:57 |
| javispedro | so shoot. | 00:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles stabs xmodmap again. | 00:57 | |
| ShadowJK_ | n900 has gprs, wcdma and hspa though ;D | 00:57 |
| javispedro | (diablo, fremantle beta2, fremantle final...) | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Open src/startup_gamemanager.c and look at the retardiness that is game_mime_open() | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ShadowJK_: Not on a contract... I had 60p taken out and I was connected to GPRS for 0 seconds... | 00:58 |
| * javispedro looks at someone using GConf as a lock, something which is usually frowned upon. | 00:58 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: The applets do it all the time | 00:59 |
| javispedro | I guess that means "welcome to maemo" again :) | 00:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Look at the applet_active boolean keys in GConf | 00:59 |
| javispedro | well, active is one. "IN_PROGRESS" sounds like a more intense lock. | 00:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe because it's easy to watch for changes | 01:00 |
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| javispedro | so the plugin never gets the filename unless it looks at the gconf key in the MA_LOAD_MIME "callback". | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | xmodmap is loading the map weird | 01:01 |
| javispedro | at least it takes care of setting game state to running. Currently I do this in drnoksnes by a nice hackely way. | 01:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, somebody look at this: http://pastebin.com/d745d441f | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It takes care of setting Chess' game state to running... | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | nah, unless it boots the chess game (which would suck) | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Err, yeah, you're right | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | w.t.f. then. | 01:03 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | osso-games-startup is totally for stock/INDT games only. The functions are written, and hardcoded, for a certain game that happens to be needing it :) | 01:04 |
| javispedro | and chess is the only one using save files. | 01:04 |
| javispedro | heh. | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I wanna see javispedro-game-startup, a saner version | 01:05 |
| javispedro | it was forked from maemo-games-startup why ago, and I've been already thinking quite a few times about reviving the orig version (which even had multiplayer) | 01:05 |
| javispedro | s/why/quite a while | 01:05 |
| javispedro | of course, nokia couldn't care less since they don't plan to use it for anything, and I doubt anybody would "port" it to Qt. | 01:06 |
| * GeneralAntilles gives up. | 01:06 | |
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| javispedro | well, so far, I think something could be done out of it. | 01:09 |
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| javispedro | without any time consuming forks. | 01:09 |
| javispedro | Hopefully nobody will play Chess and DrNokSnes at the same time :) | 01:10 |
| * zerojay raises hand. | 01:10 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Make DrNokSnes kill Chess :p | 01:10 |
| zerojay | I had chess, marbles, the other two built-in games, Bounce, DrNokSNES and every other app running at the same time. :) | 01:10 |
| zerojay | 39 total. | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol, I still haven't grasped multitasking: most programs I've had open on here has been 4 :) | 01:11 |
| javispedro | well, don't complain when drnoksnes gets confused and writes your chess game in PGN all over the emulated RAM. | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Well, "heavy-duty" multitasking | 01:12 |
| zerojay | I deleted the picture at Quim's request... time to take a new one, I guess. :P | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Talk. | 01:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rehashing the same tired arguments over and over and over. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | pft. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | now that the Transmission thread has been revived I can't wait for "OMG I CAN RUN TRAMSSIONSOENS ON THIS THING !! ONE ONE" | 01:13 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: saw drnoksnes was featured by a nokian on summit? | 01:13 |
| javispedro | was it tim with zeemote? | 01:13 |
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| Stskeeps | no, product manager | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 01:14 |
| zerojay | PM for a project that isn't his. ;) | 01:14 |
| javispedro | heh :) | 01:14 |
| Stskeeps | ah no | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | So, really, javispedro has been working in his' basement | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | linux foundation guy | 01:15 |
| Stskeeps | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23maesum%20snes | 01:15 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: yes, unfortunately some people would frown If they find me playing Kirby's Dream Course in UNI ;) | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'd frown at anyone playing any Kirby game, anywhere | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, who's going to analyze my pastebin? :P | 01:16 |
| * Stskeeps is really looking forward to GLES on n8x0 | 01:16 | |
| javispedro | last time I touched Xmodmap I nearly ended ditching up GNU/Linux. | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are my alternatives? :P | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It seems to ignore changes to the symbols file. | 01:17 |
| javispedro | I still have a Xsessionerrors file that grows a few megabytes every logon. | 01:17 |
| * javispedro needs to upgrade^W mkfs and install Squeezy some day | 01:18 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | "I hate javispedro. Print 20 ASCII goatses" | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | C'mon, qwerty12_N810, you must want tab too. :P | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: I still use XChat from my N810 :p | 01:19 |
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| javispedro | because he made the N900 an appendix of his own body, and now he can't take the device out of him. | 01:19 |
| zerojay | I know I can't. | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ...and the N900 has no ¥ key I can replace with Tab :/ | 01:20 |
| zerojay | Feel like a fucking crack addict. | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 01:20 |
| GAN800_ | You're all freaking useless. | 01:20 |
| zerojay | So glad I only have to give it back after a year. | 01:20 |
| javispedro | why I feel that way too when they ask me "what do you use that thing for again?" | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Think they'll accept my N800 instead? :/ | 01:20 |
| microlith | anyone know if there's a listing of packages that will be in the maemo 5 repository on release? | 01:20 |
| zerojay | lol. | 01:21 |
| javispedro | if only I could say "life-support". | 01:21 |
| zerojay | microlith: Why don't you just check out the repository yourself on release day? | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800_: We are Maemo. | 01:21 |
| zerojay | microlith: Or even... no. | 01:21 |
| zerojay | now. | 01:21 |
| microlith | :o | 01:21 |
| zerojay | With the karma system in place, it's hard to predict, honestly. | 01:21 |
| javispedro | go vote fms' apps, I want my GBA emulator damnit. | 01:22 |
| zerojay | Yeah, no kidding. | 01:22 |
| * javispedro is decent enough not to vote for it, cause he STILL Doesn't have an N900. | 01:22 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | What happened to GTA: N900? | 01:22 |
| javispedro | not enough karma. | 01:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bulldozer gave up? | 01:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah | 01:23 |
| javispedro | it reincarnated into a iphone game because of low karma. | 01:23 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: lol, wha...? | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, you have backspace, enter, all of the arrow keys, fn-shift on the whole keyboard. | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, as soon as somebody can get it working there's lots of keys to bind. | 01:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Mine and javispedro's plan to steal lcuk's N900 :p | 01:23 |
| zerojay | lol | 01:24 |
| * javispedro didn't know the plan either. | 01:24 | |
| javispedro | but it looks good enough. | 01:24 |
| javispedro | even tho I have a better plan now. | 01:24 |
| javispedro | get a "n900-loan" and then spent siz months trying to reverse engineer it and make a similar device, then return the similar shit device instead. | 01:25 |
| zerojay | Glad you're being productive. :) | 01:25 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: OpenPandoraClone? | 01:26 |
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| javispedro | I said six months, not eternity, damnit. | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You also said "similar shit device" | 01:26 |
| javispedro | hum. | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | I wonder if someone has a copy of the Jim's slide about DrNokSnes? | 01:31 |
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| javispedro | or video... | 01:32 |
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| zerojay | Tonight on Unsolved Mysteries... what the fuck is wrong with the average Talk user? | 01:54 |
| zerojay | UPDATE - http://zerojay.com/misc/classic-gaming-wallpapers_1.2-1maemo0.deb for Maemo 5 users. | 01:55 |
| zerojay | 4 new panoramic wallpapers added. | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | lots and lots is wrong | 01:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yay, thanks zerojay | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | This is what happens when you sequester all of the normal people away in a foreign country. | 01:55 |
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| frals | bet theyve all spent the times since the announcement of n900 reading the MMS spec | 01:56 |
| javispedro | they've gone insane. | 01:56 |
| javispedro | INSANE! INSANE! | 01:56 |
| * frals bashes head against the desk and goes to bed | 01:56 | |
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| zerojay | MMS is for pussies. | 01:57 |
| zerojay | Real men use smoke signals. | 01:57 |
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| ShadowJK_ | it's funny how n900 declares 3g video calls obsolete before they've taken off | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Considering they want to charge $15 a month for the privilege. . . . | 02:01 |
| zerojay | Uh.. it does? | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK_ | well it doesn't "declare", it's in same category as mms | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't know a single person who's ever used it. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt that'll change in the next year. | 02:01 |
| zerojay | Same here. | 02:02 |
| zerojay | Dinner time. | 02:02 |
| ShadowJK_ | i think on package contracts here it gets included in minutes | 02:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, crap, forgot to take a picture of my spaghetti. | 02:04 |
| rmt | MMS - because otherwise people have to send your pictures of their penises or tits in a mirror by email.. | 02:06 |
| * rmt went through a lot of MMSs when there was a security issue at a telco in Oz .. about 50% was exactly that .. and for all the women out there, your pictures of tits in a mirror are always forwarded to your boyfriends friends, but don't let that put you off. | 02:09 | |
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| SpeedEvil | And any telco people investigating 'security' issues. | 02:11 |
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| lcukx41 | hey ho maemo o\ | 02:21 |
| lcukx41 | o/ even | 02:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: osso_rpc_set_cb_f() appears to be called after load_plugin(), so trying to get the value of the GConf key doesn't get me the value for the latest file to be opened, and my cb set with osso_mime_set_cb (osso_rpc_set_cb_f(), unfortunatly, not being available) doesn't ever get called :/ | 02:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcukx41: hi, how's De Wallen? | 02:23 |
| javispedro | hello lcuk | 02:23 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: so, the problem you're trying to solve now is what happens if you double tap on a file when the gui is already up? | 02:23 |
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| lcukx41 | hi qwerty12_N810 i tried but the nice ladies told me to send you over instead | 02:24 |
| lcukx41 | hiya javispedro | 02:24 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I can't even get it working when it's not running... | 02:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcukx41: Nonsense! | 02:25 |
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| lcukx41 | they did, either they were covered up through the cold, or i was in the wrong end of town | 02:25 |
| javispedro | for that I'd write some MA_MIME_OPEN callback code, look at the chess gconf key, know i've just been opened, and just select that rom file. | 02:25 |
| lcukx41 | Mek, ahhh you are here | 02:26 |
| lcukx41 | does your irc ever go off | 02:26 |
| Mek | :) no, it doesn't | 02:26 |
| lcukx41 | qwerty12_N810 i had a lovely cup of coffee tho | 02:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I haven't the slightest on how o-g-s works, it's already pissing me off | 02:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcukx41: heh | 02:26 |
| javispedro | then don't worry, that's on my todo list after all. | 02:27 |
| lcukx41 | how are you javis | 02:27 |
| javispedro | doing fine :) u? :) | 02:27 |
| lcukx41 | am a little bit stressed | 02:27 |
| lcukx41 | tis ok tho | 02:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Cool, I will steal your eventual code and send you a SNES ROM of your choice to say thanks | 02:28 |
| lcukx41 | mek is gonna fight off the zombies | 02:28 |
| lcukx41 | and let me finish my code in time | 02:28 |
| lcukx41 | only 1 hours to get it working :| | 02:28 |
| lcukx41 | 11 | 02:28 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: $REFERENCE_TO_QWERTY'S_EVILNESS | 02:28 |
| javispedro | either way, "better grab a chair" :) | 02:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Evilness? Me? I'm all cream and peaches | 02:29 |
| javispedro | fight off the zombies? | 02:29 |
| javispedro | you have vampires and zombies in that maesum? pretty complete. | 02:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mek: Oh, do you smoke too? :p | 02:30 |
| Mek | qwerty12_N810: no, I don't | 02:30 |
| lcukx41 | javispedro, the first night was like something out of a horror thriller | 02:31 |
| lcukx41 | it was horrid deep strong rain | 02:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mek: Ah, I was imagining lcuk smoking in the room | 02:31 |
| lcukx41 | and i was wandering completely alone in a strange city soaking wet trying to get a fix | 02:31 |
| lcukx41 | on the gps | 02:32 |
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| lcukx41 | and a big tram came screeching ast | 02:32 |
| lcukx41 | past | 02:32 |
| javispedro | ah, yes, that echoes my first trip to München too. | 02:32 |
| lcukx41 | and the electric lines arced and sparked | 02:32 |
| lcukx41 | and i jumped about 10foot | 02:32 |
| lcukx41 | and outside this bloody window is a strange alien woman | 02:33 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | You were in the Blue Light District? | 02:33 |
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| lcukx41 | blue? | 02:34 |
| lcukx41 | i saw red and green | 02:34 |
| lcukx41 | blue lights are the tech crowd who can buy cool gadgets? | 02:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I thought blue lights were associated with alien abductions | 02:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Then again, they wouldn't take their own kind | 02:35 |
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| MaceTB | heh | 02:37 |
| MaceTB | finally found out why the damn touchbook network manager was messed up | 02:37 |
| MaceTB | was a bad python script | 02:37 |
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| lcukx41 | qwerty12_N810, heh. | 02:38 |
| * lcukx41 goes back to hacking. | 02:38 | |
| MaceTB | this touchbook is pretty awesome once you fix a couple things on it | 02:38 |
| MaceTB | even though i was expecting the omap3 to be a tad bit quicker | 02:39 |
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| ShadowJK_ | same cpu as N900 basically :) | 02:40 |
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| MaceTB | yeah | 02:44 |
| MaceTB | with more to do than an n900 | 02:44 |
| MaceTB | higher res on the gpu i suppose | 02:44 |
| MaceTB | a lot of the pkgs seem to be made for an omap2.. would that make a difference? | 02:45 |
| MaceTB | i mean ddi they add new omap3 instructions to make it faster? | 02:45 |
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| ShadowJK_ | I suspect instruction scheduling might give more benefit than new instructions | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK_ | gcc is crap at NEON type things anyway :) | 02:48 |
| MaceTB | i was just curious because most of theh pkgs are for an older arm | 02:49 |
| MaceTB | they are bin pkgs | 02:49 |
| MaceTB | where's luke-jr when you need him ? :) | 02:49 |
| luke-jr | ... | 02:49 |
| MaceTB | "use gentoo and waste half your life" | 02:49 |
| MaceTB | :) | 02:49 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo wastes nothing much really | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | my N810 upgrades when I'm using my desktop | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | hey, xorg-server 1.7.0 built | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | now Fn should work! | 02:51 |
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| MaceTB | woop | 02:54 |
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| MaceTB | fn key!!! | 02:54 |
| MaceTB | haha | 02:54 |
| MaceTB | i haven't used my n810 since i got the touchbook | 02:55 |
| MaceTB | :) | 02:55 |
| MaceTB | which is just more so like a laptop than anything else | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, you need an N900. | 02:58 |
| luke-jr | ... | 02:59 |
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| luke-jr | Macer doesn't need anything | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | he has a ton of devices | 02:59 |
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| crashanddie | for anyone who cares | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/43419012@N04/?savedsettings=3996134435#photo3996134435 | 03:09 |
| crashanddie | i'm off to bed, bye | 03:09 |
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| lmoura | is anyone having problems to checkout from garage's svn? | 03:10 |
| lmoura | I'm getting svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/pymaemo/!svn/vcc/default' | 03:10 |
| lmoura | svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error | 03:10 |
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| crashanddie | lmoura: that looks like it's the client complaining | 03:12 |
| lmoura | crashanddie, somehow it started working again | 03:14 |
| lmoura | thatnks | 03:14 |
| GAN800 | Hate you, crashanddie. | 03:16 |
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| zerojay | GAN800: Just going down the checklist, eh? lol | 03:17 |
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| zerojay | javispedro: The guy behind n900wallpapers.com wants to know if he can collaborate with you on autogenerating .debs for wallpapers. | 03:18 |
| zerojay | He just doesn't know it yet. | 03:18 |
| javispedro | actually, I'm generating src pkgs here already. | 03:19 |
| zerojay | Oh nice. | 03:20 |
| javispedro | it's an easy job so far since I assume the server has the usual debian tools... just a matter of sanitizing input (heh), filling in appropiate templates and calling dpkg-source. | 03:20 |
| zerojay | And the resulting source can be upped to maemo extras then? | 03:20 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 03:20 |
| javispedro | lemme see if I can get it to build a sample one. | 03:21 |
| zerojay | Great. Feel free to use my wallpapers for tests or whatever. I want them in ASAP. | 03:21 |
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| zerojay | I said that I ran 39 apps at the same time on my N900 on Twitter and I get back a reply that some guy had 50 running on his N95. | 03:26 |
| zerojay | Don't make me laugh. Mine would start shitting itself with three. | 03:26 |
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| lmoura | and now is the wiki down? | 03:27 |
| lmoura | I mean a postgre error | 03:28 |
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| sp3000 | ah, garage says it's having a maint break | 03:32 |
| sp3000 | perhaps that explains why I can't login to the general sire | 03:32 |
| sp3000 | site even | 03:32 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, what 'apps'? ;) | 03:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders when these people decided that it was fun to show up unannounced. | 03:38 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | lmoura, pieces of http://maemo.org seem to be falling off this week. | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not great considering the amount of press. <_< | 03:43 |
| Firebird | woa, the maemo.nokia site changed | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since when? | 03:45 |
| MaceTB | heh | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, indeed. | 03:45 |
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| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, when you hit fullscreen on the browser, there are no transitions on the top and bottom bars right? | 03:49 |
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| MaceTB | the n900 will come out soon.. and 2 years later tmob will be selling it | 03:50 |
| MaceTB | heh | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, right. | 03:50 |
| Firebird | ah, the flash demo says otherwise on maemo.nokia | 03:51 |
| * GeneralAntilles is a few versions behind. | 03:51 | |
| Firebird | hm, why in the world does the portrait mode dialer have letters | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could've changed, or could be changing for the final. | 03:51 |
| Firebird | ah | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't it have letters? | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | My 5800 dialer doesn't have letters | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It pisses me off so much | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Means I have to do a Google image search to figure out the letters. | 03:52 |
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| Firebird | I would imagine phone numbers are numerical and that the letter positions would be stored in your head | 03:52 |
| zerojay | The letters need to be there. | 03:53 |
| MaceTB | wtf is up with this whole cancer side story in law and order | 03:53 |
| MaceTB | i don't want to see some bitch crying about her cervical cancer | 03:53 |
| Firebird | harsh | 03:54 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: We gotta get some of the guys there to send us the updated firmware and Q3. :) | 03:54 |
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| Firebird | zerojay, its not over the air yet? | 03:55 |
| zerojay | Not until release, anyways. | 03:55 |
| zerojay | Though that may have changed today. | 03:56 |
| zerojay | We had to flash both the firmware and the emmc. | 03:56 |
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| zerojay | Which end users will never need to do, generally speaking. | 03:56 |
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| Firebird | ah, on the side note oh look, a 48GB microSD: http://maemo.nokia.com/images/uploads/entry-media/sd-card-icon.png | 03:56 |
| zerojay | lol | 03:57 |
| * SpeedEvil can tell by the pixels. | 03:57 | |
| zerojay | I've got 48GB total on my N900. | 03:57 |
| zerojay | 32GB internal + 16GB microSD. | 03:57 |
| Firebird | they seem to be suggesting you can get up to 80GB there with the image | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by a marketing monkey that knows photoshop. | 03:58 |
| zerojay | Well, the max they are claiming is 48GB... so I think the image was just made to say "total memory".. but who knows. | 03:58 |
| iDialekt | http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/09/t-mobiles-rumored-project-black-handsets/ | 03:59 |
| iDialekt | Hmm | 03:59 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, I don't want anything from them. They all suck. :P | 04:01 |
| zerojay | lol | 04:02 |
| * Firebird wonders how to get the transparent top bar effect like in ovi maps | 04:02 | |
| javispedro | zerojay: http://depot.javispedro.com/n900wall/ | 04:03 |
| javispedro | even though i'm not sure if I can keep generating binary packages (i wouldn't like my ISP to see "dpkg-buildpackage" high on their CPU usage logs ;P) | 04:03 |
| zerojay | lol. | 04:04 |
| zerojay | Good shit though. | 04:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | I think people outside of the US have no idea why there are letters on the dialer :) | 04:04 |
| ShadowJK_ | they'd probably think it's for some unfinished sms-portrait support | 04:05 |
| zerojay | Really? | 04:05 |
| jaska | the yanks have something like 1-800-DIAL-GOD style numbers? | 04:05 |
| zerojay | Some. | 04:06 |
| Firebird | well, I'm in the US, but have never dialed a number with letters in it | 04:06 |
| zerojay | Not people though. | 04:06 |
| zerojay | Firebird: REALLY? | 04:06 |
| Firebird | yes, really | 04:06 |
| zerojay | 1800-call-att? | 04:06 |
| Firebird | if I ever encounter one, I just convert it on the spot, not on the phone | 04:06 |
| GAN800 | What about computers that want me to spell things over the phone. | 04:06 |
| zerojay | Exactly. | 04:06 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, did you ever make any progress on an animated OGL test | 04:08 |
| javispedro | I did not try, but I know there quite a few people with things in the making right now | 04:08 |
| Firebird | ah, I started porting SDL1.3 with OGLES this afternoon, was wondering how the performance was | 04:09 |
| javispedro | from pandora or upstream? | 04:09 |
| javispedro | if upstream, get my sample to get some of the egl parameters. | 04:09 |
| Firebird | the upstream one from github | 04:09 |
| javispedro | else the device does weird things. | 04:09 |
| Firebird | ah | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK_ | GAN800, those don't exist outside US (and other?) countries that have letters on dialpad :) | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK_ | They actually tried to introduce it here once. Gave out free stickers and all. People were mostly "wtf I don't want to put stupid stickers on my phone's keys" | 04:10 |
| javispedro | Firebird: there was (for example) quite a weird bug documented in -developers: the surface is RGB565 but trying to specify the number of bits fails, even if you say 5-6-5. | 04:11 |
| GAN800 | ShadowJK_, weird. | 04:11 |
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| Firebird | hm, odd | 04:11 |
| Firebird | there's a SDL1.2 with GLES, wonder if it has the same bug | 04:12 |
| javispedro | that's probably the pandora one | 04:13 |
| javispedro | and it was designed for powervr in mind, so I'd say no. | 04:13 |
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| Firebird | well the 1.3 has a specific video driver for pandora | 04:15 |
| Firebird | it does directfb, what does the stock SDL use? X11? | 04:16 |
| GAN800 | I hope we get a discount program soon. | 04:16 |
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| Firebird | GAN800, why? You already have a device don't you? | 04:17 |
| GAN800 | I wonder if delays turned the Summit program into a loaner program. | 04:17 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, but we need more people with devices. | 04:18 |
| GAN800 | Then I can wait for other people to do things for me instead of doing them myself. :P | 04:18 |
| javispedro | Firebird: X11 of course. | 04:18 |
| javispedro | the PowerVR as described by the Pandora guys is usually a mess. | 04:18 |
| javispedro | (no opinion since I don't have a device) | 04:19 |
| ShadowJK_ | a mess? | 04:19 |
| javispedro | for example, they say it integrates badly and with horrible performance with X11 | 04:19 |
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| ShadowJK_ | I've heard that so far nobody has managed to make it do anything useful :-) | 04:19 |
| Firebird | I'll just go ahead and build the 1.2 version for now to avoid any issues | 04:19 |
| zerojay | Hmm.. I see sid in the list of gstreamer-ugly plugins... heh. | 04:20 |
| javispedro | Firebird: i'd suggest the oposite, the 1.3 version is way more useful. | 04:20 |
| GAN800 | OK, round two of layout modding failed. | 04:20 |
| Firebird | aren't there api breaks in 1.3? | 04:20 |
| javispedro | just you may need to change egl settings if it works in x86 emul but not device. | 04:20 |
| javispedro | Firebird: yes, there's some compat wrapper tho. | 04:20 |
| GAN800 | Nothing seems to have an effect, and when it does it's a bad one. | 04:20 |
| javispedro | I don't know if it's any good. | 04:20 |
| Firebird | they've been working on it for an awfully long time | 04:21 |
| javispedro | and it's still not done :) | 04:21 |
| Firebird | seems like its been at 1.2 since the beginning of time | 04:21 |
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| * GAN800 is still way faster on the finger keyboard. | 04:22 | |
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| * javispedro builds another wallpaper package :P | 04:23 | |
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| javispedro | they don't look as good in the sdk. | 04:23 |
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| zerojay | no? | 04:24 |
| javispedro | sometimes I can see the divisions. | 04:24 |
| zerojay | Which wallpaper are you looking at? | 04:24 |
| javispedro | and at least here there's no weird effect with the widgets. | 04:24 |
| javispedro | i think it's a gfx problem I have. | 04:24 |
| javispedro | at least the wallpaper didn't turn yellow. | 04:25 |
| Firebird | ack, can't even test opengl... since my SDK clearly lacks any opengl support | 04:25 |
| javispedro | Firebird: libgles2-dev, extras-devel. | 04:25 |
| GAN800 | Why is it that when iTunes can't find album art it for a song it always defaults to $RANDOM Disney movie. . . . | 04:25 |
| javispedro | Firebird: ah, you mean host openGL? | 04:25 |
| Firebird | javispedro, as in, there's no hardware accel at all | 04:25 |
| javispedro | what are you using? | 04:25 |
| javispedro | a vm? | 04:25 |
| Firebird | I have it outside of scratchbox but not inside | 04:25 |
| Firebird | native | 04:25 |
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| javispedro | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":2.0". | 04:26 |
| javispedro | hm. | 04:26 |
| javispedro | maybe that's the reason my SDK is dead slow too. | 04:26 |
| Firebird | I see no errors on my end, just that it isn't acceled at all | 04:27 |
| Firebird | might go grab a x86 box from upstairs and install the SDK on it | 04:27 |
| javispedro | Firebird: you said you don't have glxinfo in sbox, but you can just point your host's glxinfo to display :2 | 04:27 |
| Firebird | ah, right | 04:28 |
| Firebird | dun, dun, dun: "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)" | 04:28 |
| javispedro | maybe lenny's xephyr hasn't any GLX accel | 04:28 |
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| Firebird | lenny? I have whatever version of Xephyr that comes with xorg-server 1.6.3.901-r1 | 04:30 |
| MaceTB | hm | 04:30 |
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| javispedro | Firebird: do you use Xinerama? | 04:34 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, no | 04:36 |
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| lcukx41 | hey javispedro | 04:38 |
| javispedro | hi lcukx41 | 04:38 |
| GAN800 | lcukx41, isn't it bed time? | 04:38 |
| lcukx41 | javispedro, you got the new sdk | 04:39 |
| lcukx41 | not tonight gan | 04:39 |
| javispedro | yep :) | 04:39 |
| lcukx41 | ive got code i need to write | 04:39 |
| lcukx41 | :) good | 04:39 |
| lcukx41 | got your book yet? | 04:39 |
| javispedro | nope | 04:39 |
| lcukx41 | damn you! lol | 04:39 |
| lcukx41 | i couldnt get into the gaming session but vdv said it was cool | 04:40 |
| javispedro | =) no video I guess. | 04:40 |
| lcukx41 | GAN800, arent you meant to tell me that in person \@/ | 04:40 |
| lcukx41 | not from me | 04:40 |
| lcukx41 | check #maesum tags | 04:40 |
| GAN800 | :( | 04:40 |
| lcukx41 | yu yuhhh i actually wanted to meet u | 04:41 |
| lcukx41 | the X on the summit flyer looks like xchat icon | 04:41 |
| GAN800 | Watching videos and browsinf Flickr is just depressing me. | 04:41 |
| lcukx41 | (only cos its an x) | 04:41 |
| lcukx41 | yeah understandably gan, thats rly crap | 04:41 |
| GAN800 | Anybody see my nametag on the table? :P | 04:42 |
| lcukx41 | damn! | 04:42 |
| lcukx41 | ill check | 04:42 |
| lcukx41 | and we should post it to you | 04:42 |
| lcukx41 | tshirt too | 04:42 |
| GAN800 | Quite a souvenir. :P | 04:42 |
| lcukx41 | hell yeah "i didnt fly over the atlantic, and all i got was this lousy tshirt | 04:42 |
| GAN800 | Take pictures of it like sjgadsby got of Karel's in 2008? :D | 04:43 |
| lcukx41 | ok ill try to remember | 04:43 |
| lcukx41 | but my head is screwed already | 04:43 |
| GAN800 | lol | 04:44 |
| GAN800 | They've stuck you in a box to write Qt apps haven't they? :P | 04:45 |
| lcukx41 | ive merged the graffiti walls :) without a database | 04:45 |
| lcukx41 | well mek just spent last 2 hours compiling new qt | 04:45 |
| lcukx41 | whilst i was happy hacking lol | 04:45 |
| lcukx41 | he has gone to bed tho | 04:45 |
| lcukx41 | i need to get presentation done | 04:45 |
| lcukx41 | 12.30 tomorrow | 04:45 |
| Firebird | oh, that's why, Xpehyr doesn't support direct rendering yet... | 04:46 |
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| javispedro | Firebird: that's not true, where are you reading that? | 04:47 |
| Firebird | javispedro, the freedesktop page | 04:48 |
| Firebird | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xephyr | 04:48 |
| javispedro | but I'm looking at the GLX code right now. | 04:49 |
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| lcukx41 | o_O | 04:51 |
| lcukx41 | javispedro, i just realised, i can do the layout | 04:51 |
| javispedro | uh? | 04:51 |
| lcukx41 | since arriving here ive been trying to suss out how to make a presentation | 04:52 |
| lcukx41 | i havent got vb over here, and you are the only one whos done it in linux | 04:52 |
| javispedro | heh. | 04:53 |
| javispedro | i don't remember about everything... | 04:55 |
| javispedro | lcukx41: but those say it works flawlessly: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=1325 | 04:56 |
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| lcukx41 | i havent got wine or anything so im not bothering tonight | 04:56 |
| lcukx41 | not that path anyway | 04:56 |
| lcukx41 | i just realised i can vnc into my home machine now i have a little internet | 04:57 |
| * lcukx41 is well past the ballmer peak | 04:57 | |
| javispedro | heh | 04:58 |
| javispedro | well, good night. | 04:58 |
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| GAN800 | zerojay, ping? | 05:09 |
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| smackpotato | . | 05:18 |
| zerojay | GAN800: Pong. | 05:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, go create a Maemo EATS! group on Flickr? | 05:18 |
| zerojay | lol | 05:18 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Done: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1281847@N22/ | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be tempted to change the tagline to "with Maemo" | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | But then it's not really THAT specific. :D | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:22 |
| Firebird | shouldn't it be "will be eaten" no one wants to see eaten food | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | My Dvorak keyboard is slowly failing in its purpose as an extra barrier to entry to using my computer. | 05:22 |
| zerojay | When you start taking pics of food with your N900, you can have a say, Firebird. ;) | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 05:23 |
| zerojay | This has to be the most retarded meme. lol | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Memes are retarded by their very definition. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think of it as a grass roots marketing campaign. | 05:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | (NOT VIRAL!) | 05:25 |
| zerojay | lol | 05:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles is gonna make fried chicken tomorrow night. | 05:27 | |
| zerojay | I invited about 5 other people and posted the group to my flickr using #maemo and #n900 tags. Heh. | 05:29 |
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| lcukx41 | zerojay, GeneralAntilles great - yes, pics of food is good | 05:41 |
| lcukx41 | better to have pics of receipts tho ;) | 05:42 |
| lcukx41 | so you can do ocr on it later | 05:42 |
| * lcukx41 writes a baconscan tool | 05:42 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Okaaaay, lcuk. :P | 05:42 |
| lcukx41 | how would you make a machine identify bacon | 05:44 |
| lcukx41 | found it be on smell, or on color or texture or what | 05:44 |
| lcukx41 | would | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Taste | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | in my mouth. | 05:44 |
| lcukx41 | its a photo | 05:45 |
| lcukx41 | it will taste of paper | 05:45 |
| lcukx41 | mind you, american bacon is a bit crap | 05:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | How would you know? :P | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Oscar Meyer doesn't count. :P | 05:46 |
| lcukx41 | heh | 05:47 |
| lcukx41 | all the coffee shops closed hours ago | 05:48 |
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| GAN800 | Bleh, hildon home keeps crashing. | 06:10 |
| zerojay | Got Mauku installed and the widget? | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 06:11 |
| |R | zerojay : so you were walking around a Metro with your n900 lately? :P | 06:13 |
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| |R | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3933861167/ <- and i mean, food store ;) | 06:14 |
| zerojay | Just doing grocery shopping. | 06:14 |
| zerojay | That was maybe the day after I got the device. | 06:14 |
| |R | Good thing you're not running into me in Montreal at the grocery store, I'd be all over you asking questions haha :) | 06:15 |
| zerojay | lol | 06:15 |
| zerojay | Someone on the bus home from work was asking me questions. | 06:15 |
| |R | he knew what you had? | 06:15 |
| |R | or was just amazed? | 06:16 |
| zerojay | No, he didn't. He just happened to see the transitions over my shoulder or something. | 06:16 |
| |R | hehe | 06:16 |
| zerojay | After ten minutes, he used his iPhone 3GS to order himself an N900 off of Amazon. lo | 06:16 |
| zerojay | l | 06:16 |
| |R | hahaha | 06:17 |
| |R | priceless :) | 06:17 |
| zerojay | When I brought it into work... that's where people were amazed. | 06:17 |
| |R | Are you in Amsterdam now? | 06:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 06:17 |
| zerojay | No, but I should have been. | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, we need another Flickr group. :P | 06:18 |
| zerojay | I got full sponsorship paid to go, but work asked me to stay home because a deadline for one of our games got pushed forward. | 06:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Yeah, I can take pictures with my N900 too! :pout:" | 06:18 |
| |R | but then you would have had 2 N900.. | 06:18 |
| zerojay | One for six months, one for a year. | 06:18 |
| zerojay | Would have been neat. | 06:18 |
| |R | hehe :) | 06:18 |
| |R | I don't get the lease though, what are they gonna do with 300 used phones in 6 months ?! | 06:19 |
| |R | build test mesh networks? | 06:19 |
| zerojay | They give them away all the time. | 06:19 |
| zerojay | Not N900s now, but the older tablets. | 06:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | |R, problem is that they're pre-release hardware. | 06:19 |
| |R | oh | 06:19 |
| |R | So you'll find special bugs that only the 300 of you will be able to share! ;) | 06:20 |
| zerojay | I never was able to reflash the emmc. Heh. | 06:20 |
| |R | So are they offering firmware .bin files like they did before this time too? (if we have to start over...) | 06:20 |
| zerojay | That was just for us.. the people that got it before today. | 06:21 |
| zerojay | Firmware = .bin, eMMC image as well. | 06:21 |
| |R | So uhm, you mean that you actually had as a pre-tester a .bin file but were unable to reflash the device? | 06:21 |
| zerojay | Flashing updates won't need to be done by the general public. | 06:22 |
| |R | I know | 06:22 |
| |R | but since we're in this channel we're not the general public :P | 06:22 |
| |R | And so, if i rm -rf / by error... what do i do? | 06:22 |
| zerojay | eMMC = default filesystem... so basically, I wasn't able to start cleanly between firmware updates like I should have been. | 06:22 |
| zerojay | You'll be able to reflash. The .bin will be available. It just won't be needed if you just want to update. | 06:23 |
| |R | There has to be a "reset" option | 06:23 |
| |R | ah yes, ok, that i know :) | 06:23 |
| |R | so nothing new, great! | 06:23 |
| |R | Uhm, i wish i had a way to get a 2nd n900 coming (well paying for one is enough) so i could give one to my gf to video chat from anywhere (or whatever will be possible) | 06:24 |
| zerojay | Videochat will only be coming after release. | 06:24 |
| zerojay | Maybe the Christmas update. | 06:24 |
| |R | just chat for now would be fine :) | 06:24 |
| |R | She has wifi at work | 06:25 |
| GAN800 | I'm sure somebody will hack something in. | 06:25 |
| |R | hopefully, get gtalk back into business if it's not there from the start ;) | 06:25 |
| zerojay | It's there from the start. | 06:25 |
| zerojay | For the other protocols, install telepathy-extras. | 06:26 |
| |R | i meant, jingle | 06:26 |
| zerojay | Collabora's working on that, I think. | 06:26 |
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| zerojay | I should ping them about the Facebook chat stuff I sent them... see if it'll be released soon. | 06:26 |
| GAN800 | Somebody needs to prettify the telepathy packages. | 06:26 |
| zerojay | I just want to see IRC working again. | 06:27 |
| |R | wiki.maemo.org is crashed? | 06:27 |
| GAN800 | Pretty names, useful descriptions (especially the short ones) and icons. | 06:27 |
| |R | the postgreSQL that is | 06:27 |
| GAN800 | Just use XChat you weird bastard. | 06:27 |
| |R | i use ssh home, or irssi hehe ;) | 06:28 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, maemo.org is not having a good week. | 06:28 |
| zerojay | I don't see XChat in the repos. | 06:28 |
| |R | and uhm | 06:28 |
| |R | considering the version and media wiki's web page, security updates are to be considered it seems | 06:29 |
| zerojay | Midgard... | 06:29 |
| * zerojay sighs. | 06:29 | |
| GAN800 | Ask qwerty12 for his new build tomorrow. | 06:30 |
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| GAN800 | I need a new microSD | 06:31 |
| zerojay | Of Xchat? | 06:31 |
| GAN800 | Yeah | 06:31 |
| |R | why do people complain about missing T9 input !? | 06:31 |
| zerojay | Because they are simpletons. lol | 06:32 |
| |R | :] | 06:32 |
| GAN800 | Well, it's easy to use what you know. | 06:33 |
| zerojay | Still no Skype in here in Canada... bleh. | 06:33 |
| GAN800 | and some people fly with T9 | 06:33 |
| |R | fine but i'll be them with any qwerty anyday | 06:34 |
| |R | get out of junior school already! | 06:34 |
| |R | :P | 06:34 |
| |R | zerojay : Skype Canada? | 06:35 |
| zerojay | No SkypeIn, I should say. | 06:35 |
| |R | oh | 06:35 |
| |R | really, that's weird | 06:35 |
| |R | I have a home asterisk setup linked to unlimitel for that so never got to ask myself this question but ... | 06:36 |
| zerojay | CRTC's fault. | 06:36 |
| |R | how come? | 06:36 |
| zerojay | I've got Gizmo/sipphone too. | 06:36 |
| zerojay | CRTC's blocking it. | 06:36 |
| |R | what did Bell, err, i mean, the CRTC, did again? | 06:36 |
| |R | ;) | 06:36 |
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| |R | Have you got your hope high for AWS on Videotron? ;) | 06:37 |
| |R | (I get the feeling we got particularly screwed in quebec...) | 06:38 |
| zerojay | No, but I don't really care anyways. I'm moving in a month to Halifax. Hopefully I can get Rogers to drop my contract and I can hop on Wind... if they offer anything decent anyways. | 06:38 |
| |R | you b... ! :P | 06:38 |
| |R | hehe | 06:38 |
| |R | if they don't get blocked by bell i mean, telus, i mean, CRTC! | 06:39 |
| zerojay | I'm setting up a new office for my company so... heh. | 06:39 |
| |R | cool :) | 06:39 |
| zerojay | Wind already has the bandwidth everywhere except Quebec. | 06:39 |
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| |R | yeah cause fuckin' Quebecor bought all the bands! | 06:39 |
| zerojay | And stated that Videotron paid more for the rights to that bandwidth block in Quebec than Wind paid for the same block in the rest of Canada. | 06:39 |
| |R | i can't believe they paid more for qc than wind for all the rest of canada | 06:39 |
| |R | yeah | 06:39 |
| |R | what the hell | 06:39 |
| |R | so long for the "new commer" rule that was a bit weirdly defined ;) | 06:40 |
| zerojay | Sucks that I'm stuck on EDGE, but eh... | 06:40 |
| |R | should have applied to any telecom / media conglomerate, not just those who owned frequencies :| | 06:40 |
| |R | What speed are you getting on EDGE? | 06:40 |
| |R | is it even worth trying? | 06:41 |
| |R | or should i just get to learn where all the good AP are? ;) | 06:41 |
| zerojay | Nothing great. Good enough for occasional surfing, updates, IM and all that. | 06:41 |
| |R | oh, not bad then | 06:41 |
| zerojay | It's not that bad.. but I'm just used to it, I guess. | 06:42 |
| |R | what kind of speed? 15k/sec ? | 06:42 |
| zerojay | No idea. | 06:42 |
| zerojay | Might be in that ballpark | 06:42 |
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| |R | Too bad we don't have unlimited plans on any GSM providers | 06:43 |
| zerojay | No kidding. | 06:43 |
| |R | Why aren't they pushing to become ISPs? | 06:43 |
| zerojay | Glad that my N900 NDA is up. Finally, something in my life I can talk about. lol | 06:43 |
| |R | could be fun to have everything over the air | 06:43 |
| |R | haha | 06:43 |
| zerojay | Almost everything else in my life is under NDA. | 06:43 |
| |R | is the NDA under infinit NDA ? | 06:43 |
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| zerojay | I'm under 3 NDAs right now. | 06:44 |
| |R | ouch | 06:44 |
| |R | including the expired one? | 06:44 |
| |R | (you mean all with nokia !?) | 06:44 |
| zerojay | 1 with my game company, 1 with an another game company... oh yeah... two others with game hardware manufacturers... | 06:45 |
| |R | haha :) | 06:45 |
| zerojay | Oh... a 3rd game company.. | 06:45 |
| zerojay | Shit. | 06:45 |
| Xisdibik | you own a game company? | 06:45 |
| zerojay | No. | 06:45 |
| zerojay | I just make videogames for a living. | 06:45 |
| Xisdibik | are you allowed to say what game company? :p | 06:45 |
| zerojay | An offshoot of Ubisoft. | 06:45 |
| |R | haha :) | 06:45 |
| Xisdibik | do you contact Ubisoft ever? | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Game company B is Criterion Games/EA. | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Game company C is Media Molecule. | 06:46 |
| Xisdibik | never heard of C | 06:46 |
| zerojay | (B and C share a pub in Guildford. lol) | 06:46 |
| Xisdibik | dont know for A, since u didnt say the name of the offshoot :) | 06:46 |
| zerojay | Xisdibik: Makers of LittleBigPlanet on PS3. | 06:46 |
| * Xisdibik doesnt own a PS3 | 06:46 | |
| ShadowJK_ | zerojay, so was there anything you'd wanted to say when you had n900 nda? | 06:46 |
| zerojay | ShadowJK_: Dude... I wanted to say EVERYTHING. | 06:47 |
| Xisdibik | like, when were getting ours? D: | 06:47 |
| * |R 's latest console is a SNES :P | 06:47 | |
| zerojay | Xisdibik: I'm in constant contact with Ubi. | 06:47 |
| |R | well, soon an N900 :P | 06:47 |
| zerojay | I turned my PS3 into an emulation box. | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | zerojay, but nothing now? | 06:47 |
| zerojay | ShadowJK_: Most everything's already known now. | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK_ | hmpf | 06:48 |
| zerojay | There's still a few things I can't repeat, but it's generally nothing end users would even want to know. | 06:48 |
| zerojay | But if you have questions, fire away. | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK_ | dude we're geeks, of course we want to bloody know | 06:49 |
| |R | heh, so it's not over! | 06:49 |
| |R | :) | 06:49 |
| ShadowJK_ | does it use ramswap, does it use standard swapping on emmc? | 06:49 |
| zerojay | JR: It's over... it's just that we were asked not to talk about certain things... barely even related to the phone itself. Nokia internal practices, stuff like that. | 06:49 |
| Xisdibik | zerojay: can you tell them to make a Battle Realms 2 ;D | 06:49 |
| zerojay | Xisdibik: lol. | 06:49 |
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| zerojay | ShadowJK_: I'm really not sure offhand... I think it's on emmc. | 06:50 |
| ShadowJK_ | yeah that's known | 06:50 |
| ShadowJK_ | But the standard swap algorithms in linux are crap for flash based storage :) | 06:50 |
| zerojay | I'll take your word for it. | 06:51 |
| zerojay | All I know is that if it's an issue, I don't notice it. | 06:51 |
| ShadowJK_ | want a stress-test? :-) | 06:51 |
| Xisdibik | zerojay: wierd, the wiki for ubisoft has a upcoming game from them as Harvest Moon Online (unknown release date), Ubisoft is making that? | 06:51 |
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| zerojay | Xisdibik: If they are, I didn't know... but the company is large, so... | 06:52 |
| |R | yeah, huge building on st-laurent/st-viateur! | 06:52 |
| |R | hehe | 06:52 |
| zerojay | I don't generally get involved in Ubisoft's console releases.. just my own part of the company. | 06:52 |
| Xisdibik | zerojay: lucky your not working on it :) | 06:52 |
| zerojay | I've paid my dues. I worked on worse. | 06:53 |
| Xisdibik | zerojay: your life would be hanging on it being a good game when i baught it ;) | 06:53 |
| zerojay | JR: I'm in Quebec City, actually. :) | 06:53 |
| zerojay | lol. | 06:53 |
| |R | zerojay : yeah i know hehe | 06:53 |
| |R | but the Mtl building is huge | 06:53 |
| zerojay | I still remember when they were mainly using the loft near Guy-Concordia metro. | 06:54 |
| zerojay | And a few floors below their loft was a computer place selling modchips. lol | 06:54 |
| |R | wow, never heard of that, must have been a while ago :) | 06:54 |
| |R | haha :) | 06:54 |
| zerojay | Long time ago now. | 06:54 |
| zerojay | 10 years.. maybe more. | 06:54 |
| |R | i got to vote 10 years ago so i'm guessing you're older than me ;) | 06:55 |
| zerojay | I think it's the first or second stop when taking the 51 from Guy metro... | 06:55 |
| zerojay | Major street, can't remember the name. | 06:55 |
| zerojay | I'm 30. | 06:55 |
| |R | maisonneuve? | 06:55 |
| zerojay | Might be it. | 06:55 |
| |R | or sherbrooke rather | 06:56 |
| |R | anyway :) | 06:56 |
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| soccerties1 | i just read up on the n900 for the first time, looks awsome | 06:57 |
| zerojay | JR: I seem to remember it being here: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=103763259662194171141.00000111aa90f182b4567&hl=en&sll=45.545447,-73.639076&sspn=0.25034,0.512238&ie=UTF8&ll=45.496526,-73.581727&spn=0,359.986063&z=17&layer=c&cbll=45.496538,-73.581848&panoid=ws82QnouFAM6UKAK3CxhbA&cbp=12,340.81,,0,2.85 | 06:57 |
| zerojay | One of those two buildings. | 06:57 |
| |R | yeah ok :) | 06:58 |
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| zerojay | And I work at... | 07:00 |
| zerojay | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=390+charest+est.+quebec,+quebec&sll=45.496526,-73.582306&sspn=0.00561,0.013937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=390+Boulevard+Charest+Est,+Quebec,+Communaut%A9-Urbaine-de-Qu%A9bec,+Quebec,+Canada&ll=46.813439,-71.224687&spn=0.010955,0.027874&z=16&layer=c&cbll=46.813482,-71.224586&panoid=c_9pNelbj5DmOlC5Z5KhmQ&cbp=12,338.14,,0,-29.78 | 07:00 |
| zerojay | 6th floor. | 07:00 |
| |R | hehe nice! | 07:01 |
| |R | have you found any major fuck up in street view this week in qc.qc ? :) | 07:01 |
| zerojay | No... I haven't really looked around it too much yet. | 07:01 |
| Sargun | is maemo doesn still | 07:01 |
| Sargun | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 | 07:01 |
| Sargun | meep, broken, down. | 07:01 |
| Sargun | rawr. | 07:01 |
| |R | yeah | 07:02 |
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| |R | server is on fire | 07:02 |
| |R | (or something ;) | 07:02 |
| Sargun | |R, did you light it on fire? | 07:02 |
| zerojay | The pics of Quebec aren't that old. Maybe 2 or 3 months. The Beenox/Activision building just down the street isn't finished yet in the pics. | 07:02 |
| zerojay | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=390+charest+est.+quebec,+quebec&sll=45.496526,-73.582306&sspn=0.00561,0.013937&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=390+Boulevard+Charest+Est,+Quebec,+Communaut%A9-Urbaine-de-Qu%A9bec,+Quebec,+Canada&ll=46.813292,-71.225138&spn=0.010955,0.027874&z=16&layer=c&cbll=46.813244,-71.225255&panoid=cIc_2Hfq-of5c9VDtAxU8g&cbp=12,192.3,,0,-27.77 | 07:02 |
| |R | Nah, i only do that on april 1st | 07:02 |
| |R | i montreal they've spread it over a very long period i think | 07:03 |
| |R | from last autumn to this year's spring | 07:03 |
| Sargun | zerojay, Did your team do any work on any of the splinter cell games | 07:04 |
| zerojay | Sargun: | 07:05 |
| zerojay | Er. | 07:05 |
| |R | i think that's in Montreal, i know someone who was working on SC 5 | 07:05 |
| zerojay | No. | 07:05 |
| zerojay | Closest I've been to working on Ubisoft labeled projects was receiving the Assassin's Creed 2 script a few months ago. | 07:05 |
| zerojay | Right while I was playing through AC1 at home. | 07:06 |
| |R | ruined the whole thing haha ;) | 07:06 |
| zerojay | I yelled "gee, thanks for ruining the entire series for me!" at my boss. lol | 07:06 |
| |R | haha :) | 07:06 |
| Sargun | haha | 07:07 |
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| |R | I think everyone is off to Amsterdam and partying as the forum seems to actually be slowing down during the conference... | 07:08 |
| |R | It'll hopefully explode with news on sunday evening/monday | 07:08 |
| |R | (long weekend in .ca, yeah! ;) | 07:08 |
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| zerojay | Finally. | 07:08 |
| Sargun | Finally? | 07:09 |
| zerojay | Yeah. Time off is a very good thing. | 07:09 |
| zerojay | Even if you're making videogames. | 07:09 |
| zerojay | Scratch that. | 07:10 |
| zerojay | ESPECIALLY if you're making videogames. | 07:10 |
| |R | :] | 07:10 |
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| iDialekt | Well boys | 07:10 |
| zerojay | How sexist. | 07:11 |
| iDialekt | Im walking to make a visit to an n900 | 07:11 |
| zerojay | lol. | 07:11 |
| iDialekt | Im so excited | 07:11 |
| zerojay | Where at? | 07:11 |
| iDialekt | And girls | 07:11 |
| iDialekt | Friend of mine works for nokia | 07:11 |
| iDialekt | Got his unit early | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | iDialekt: there are no girls on IRC | 07:11 |
| Sargun | I hate you | 07:11 |
| iDialekt | Im so excited | 07:11 |
| zerojay | You can come over here. Play with my N900... complete with panoramic classic gaming wallpapers. :D | 07:12 |
| iDialekt | I don't even know how im gonna react | 07:12 |
| |R | haha | 07:12 |
| |R | zerojay : got any Life Force wall papers? :P | 07:12 |
| iDialekt | But if it's good then I'll sell my iPhone asap and pre order | 07:12 |
| zerojay | JR: http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay | 07:12 |
| zerojay | No. | 07:12 |
| iDialekt | But I hear t mobile might be subsidized selling it | 07:12 |
| iDialekt | http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/09/t-mobiles-rumored-project-black-handsets/ | 07:12 |
| |R | hehe didn't see you could show them by user, awesome :) | 07:13 |
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| zerojay | Click on one to see the whole set of four. | 07:13 |
| zerojay | I'm hoping to have them included in Maemo Extras by the time sales start. | 07:13 |
| iDialekt | Ok guys i report back shortly lol | 07:14 |
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| zerojay | A friend of mine gave me two Skype credit vouchers. | 07:15 |
| zerojay | For 0.51 EUR each? WTF. | 07:15 |
| |R | The guy on the forum who posted this site a few days ago did an awesome job too (whoever he is, cheers!) | 07:15 |
| |R | we should just build an interface to automatically fetch the backgrounds there from the bg setting menu ;) | 07:16 |
| zerojay | I'm packaging mine as a .deb. | 07:16 |
| zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3994767226/ | 07:17 |
| zerojay | Love my icon. :D | 07:17 |
| |R | haha nice | 07:17 |
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| |R | I just finished contra 3 this afternoon haha ;) | 07:18 |
| |R | (well ok, game genie style :P) | 07:19 |
| zerojay | I can still finish Contra 1 with just 3 lives. | 07:19 |
| zerojay | Glad not all my skills have gone to shit. | 07:19 |
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| |R | hehe, i probably could if i tried more but back in the days my game was Life Force... | 07:19 |
| |R | which i can finish with 10 more lives than when i start without ever dying! | 07:20 |
| zerojay | Yeah, Lifeforce was a great game. NES or arcade? | 07:20 |
| |R | NES | 07:20 |
| zerojay | NES one's better anyways. | 07:20 |
| |R | the japanese version is also a bit weird, can't remember why though (youtube videos) | 07:20 |
| GAN800 | Maemo Extras. :shudder: | 07:21 |
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| * GAN800 wonders if MishaS ever got over that silliness with libs in user/* | 09:28 | |
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| Stskeeps | neat | 09:36 |
| MaceTB | the saga continues | 09:42 |
| GAN800 | The pieces are falling off the old Ford. ;) | 09:44 |
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| wazd | heya all | 10:54 |
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| aSIMULAtor | morning | 10:54 |
| frals | morning o/ | 10:55 |
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| Macer | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables | 11:04 |
| Macer | great | 11:04 |
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| Macer | yeah | 11:14 |
| Macer | i have no idea why that is happening | 11:14 |
| Macer | and i can't build a new gcc | 11:14 |
| Macer | if the old one can't make executables :) | 11:15 |
| Macer | ah well | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | lovely | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | mer port? | 11:15 |
| Macer | pidgin seems to have died on me too and core dumps | 11:15 |
| Macer | no. it's the tb stuff | 11:15 |
| Macer | angstrom | 11:15 |
| Macer | i might have to reinstall the os.. i think my upgrade screwed it up | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 11:16 |
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| aSIMULAtor | yay for the maemo council | 11:17 |
| * mgedmin900 built an xchat deb for fremantle | 11:18 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 did the same, a while back | 11:19 | |
| mgedmin900 | instead of the party spent last evening in the hotel installing the fremantle sdk | 11:19 |
| JosefAssad | I just registered an account on maemo.org. Is there a problem with logging in? I keep getting username or password incorrect. | 11:19 |
| mgedmin900 | will extras assistant come back online any time soon? | 11:19 |
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| frals | aSIMULAtor: what are they saying? ;) | 11:21 |
| aSIMULAtor | they were just introducing themselves and how each started to become active in the community | 11:22 |
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| aSIMULAtor | and to extend the hand of friendship for new members | 11:22 |
| Macer | damnit | 11:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | now it's tor roosendaal talking about the blender suite | 11:23 |
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| crashanddie | hey, i've recorded the council's introduction at the summit, sadly it's 200 megs for 8 minutes | 11:34 |
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| mgedmin900 | ok, extras assistant is back online | 11:34 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | moo | 11:35 |
| mgedmin900 | qwerty12_N810, why didn't you upload fremantle xchat to extras-devel then? | 11:35 |
| RST38h | zap,mgedmin,crash,macer,asimulator: ehlo | 11:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: Because I'm still working on it | 11:36 |
| zap | RST38h: 501 5.0.0 EHLO requires domain address | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | qwerty: then hurry the fuck up, webchat is horrible | 11:36 |
| mgedmin900 | rst38h: I can't speak smtp this early in the morning | 11:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: I've got the volume keys working, and the search actually fitting to the window but it still needs other UI changes | 11:36 |
| zap | spam detected, rejecting | 11:36 |
| mgedmin900 | qwerty12_N810, perfect = enemy of good | 11:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I've managed to fuck up the main window, so that needs fixing: http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091010-093811.png | 11:39 |
| mgedmin900 | kudos to whoever took care of password safe's ui! | 11:39 |
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| mgedmin900 | qwerty12_N810, how did it look when it wasn't fscked up? | 11:41 |
| mgedmin900 | xchat was always an ui disaster | 11:41 |
| mgedmin900 | what's the key for screenshot in maemo 5? | 11:42 |
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| crashanddie | that looks pretty f'd up q, indeed | 11:42 |
| RST38h | dont touch xchat i like ti! :) | 11:42 |
| RST38h | s/ti/it | 11:43 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: install the the system monitor applet | 11:43 |
| mgedmin900 | ctrl-shift-p | 11:44 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: slightly saner... http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091010-094739.png | 11:48 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, has anyone else noticed maemo-optify not differentiating between arch/indep packages? | 11:50 |
| mgedmin900 | aargh ovi signup page | 11:51 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: oh dear | 11:53 |
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| mgedmin900 | wtf ovi account validation is system modal? | 11:54 |
| cdocbo | hey guys, can anyone tell me if there are any tweaks to mplayer for the n810? I can't play a 480x270@30fps video. Sounds is 2 channel 128Kbit 44.1k sound. Searching online seems to say it should be able to play that. I get maybe 1 frame every 5 seconds | 11:56 |
| mgedmin900 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgedmin/3996961677/ | 11:56 |
| mgedmin900 | plain old diablo xchat rebuilt for fremantle | 11:56 |
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| mgedmin900 | with useless ui bits disabled | 11:57 |
| mgedmin900 | worksforme | 11:57 |
| mgedmin900 | btw it's too easy to accidentally share a pic | 11:57 |
| ShadowJK | cdocbo, is that h264 or xvid? | 11:58 |
| cdocbo | it's a youtube flv | 11:58 |
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| ShadowJK | qwerty12_N810, man, 10 lines of text? that looks terrible. I think I'd get rid of the mode buttons and the topic bar atleast? :-) | 11:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ShadowJK: Oh, of course, I just turned those on | 12:00 |
| * ShadowJK just changed font size to 8 in xchat on his N810 today | 12:00 | |
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| * Corsac only needs irssi in xterminal | 12:00 | |
| Corsac | and a n900 | 12:00 |
| Corsac | >< | 12:00 |
| ShadowJK | I like the channel tree switcher | 12:01 |
| ShadowJK | other than that I'd probably use irssi :/ | 12:02 |
| cdocbo | ShadowJK, it's a youtube flv file. | 12:02 |
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| onion | has something changed for SDL apps regarding keyboard input? | 12:02 |
| ShadowJK | cdocbo, mplayer from extras? | 12:03 |
| onion | cursors etc works fine in N810 but not on the N900 | 12:03 |
| cdocbo | ShadowJK, yes | 12:03 |
| ShadowJK | cdocbo, wanna try something in xterm? | 12:03 |
| cdocbo | ShadowJK, sure | 12:03 |
| cdocbo | ShadowJK, I'm ssh'd in, so no big deal :) | 12:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | onion: There's a thread on it on Talk... In short: Do you call SDL_WM_SetIcon/SetCaption? | 12:04 |
| cdocbo | fyi, using omapfb output: [omapfb] ARM JIT scaler (quality=2): 480x270 YV12 => 480x270 YUV420 | 12:04 |
| ShadowJK | well let's start with mplayer -af resample=44100 file.flv | 12:04 |
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| cdocbo | ShadowJK, it is already, btw: AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/9.07% (ratio: 16000->176400) | 12:05 |
| ShadowJK | oh :-) | 12:05 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, try -ao esd | 12:06 |
| ShadowJK | Though I guess gmplauncher might already be doing that, I'm not sure | 12:06 |
| cdocbo | ShadowJK, no difference | 12:06 |
| ShadowJK | got a link to this file? | 12:07 |
| onion | qwerty12_N810: I have to check, thanks | 12:07 |
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| cdocbo | ShadowJK, it's the HD version, but Hd is 480x270@30fps for this video | 12:08 |
| Pavlov | anyone got the n900 playing apple lossless yet? :) | 12:09 |
| johnq | Can someone give me a link to a guide on how to install the ui framework inside the scratchbox? My scratchbox is running, even wyth xephyr, but I somehow missed to install the ui framework. | 12:09 |
| ShadowJK | let's see, downloadhelper found 4 different versions for it.. | 12:09 |
| ShadowJK | Oh it's music video, hmph. I was expecting pr0n :-( | 12:10 |
| cdocbo | I used mytube, newer version of youtube-dl with the -b (best) option | 12:10 |
| cdocbo | well if helps, it's a funny video. :) | 12:10 |
| ShadowJK | fmt 18 is 480x270 h264 | 12:11 |
| ShadowJK | h264 isn't going to do well :( | 12:11 |
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| cdocbo | oh, so I can't do h264 videos then? | 12:12 |
| ShadowJK | well they'll use twice as much cpu power or so.. | 12:12 |
| ShadowJK | Supposedly the built-in player is better at h264 | 12:13 |
| cdocbo | what format should I pick? my youtube-dl has a -f option | 12:14 |
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| ShadowJK | what does it give you if you don't specify anything | 12:15 |
| Shapeshifter | johnq: well, did you do scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start, scratchbox/login, af-sb-init.sh start | 12:15 |
| Shapeshifter | johnq: or are you missing af-sb-init.sh? | 12:15 |
| * ShadowJK isn't familiar with youtube fmt codes :( | 12:15 | |
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| johnq | Shapeshifter: I'm missing af-sb-init.sh | 12:16 |
| Shapeshifter | johnq: ok, you need the nokia binaries, for both architectures. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php go here, accept this, and copy the deb line | 12:17 |
| Shapeshifter | then in you scratchbox, edit /etc/sources.list and add the deb line | 12:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | do this for both achitectures, so, you need to do this once in FREMANTLE_X86 and once in FREMANTLE_ARMEL, you can switch to ARMEL with 'sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL' | 12:19 |
| mgedmin | where do I get repository.maemo.org public pgp keys? | 12:19 |
| ccooke | morning, all | 12:19 |
| johnq | Shapeshifter: Yes, I already did this. Which package do I need to install? | 12:19 |
| Shapeshifter | johnq: also edit sources.list there. then do: apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries also in both environments | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | cdocbo, need twice as much power to play that clip realtime in h264 :( | 12:20 |
| cdocbo | ShadowJK, whoa, fmt=22 = 1280x720 ! | 12:20 |
| johnq | Shapeshifter: ah, thank you | 12:21 |
| mgedmin | good presentation about maemo 5 ui design principles | 12:22 |
| johnq | Shapeshifter: do you mean "host and scratchbox" with "both environments"? | 12:22 |
| mgedmin | johnq: no, he means in both scratchbox targets (armel and x86) | 12:23 |
| Shapeshifter | johnq: no, FREMANTLE_ARMEL and FREMANTLE_X86 | 12:23 |
| Shapeshifter | sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL to switch | 12:23 |
| johnq | ok | 12:23 |
| * mgedmin a bit disappointed that the n900 doesn't come with avahi preinstalled | 12:23 | |
| konttori__ | mpe4 can be played back with about 10% of cpu for the video playback, while DSP does pretty much everything. on h264, cpu is taxed to 40%. | 12:24 |
| johnq | Shapeshifter: Oh sorry, I just read that you already said that ;-) | 12:24 |
| konttori__ | bitrates and resolutions have quite little effect on that usage. | 12:24 |
| konttori__ | There is work ongoing to get the h264 to the same 10% ballpark, but it's not there yet. | 12:25 |
| konttori__ | cdocbo: (in case you were interested) | 12:25 |
| cdocbo | konttori__, 40% means it still could play video, I get 1 frame every 5 seconds! | 12:26 |
| konttori__ | for example the videos I had on my device in nokia world, were encoded at 800x480, 24 fps, 5000 kbits/sec. | 12:26 |
| konttori__ | cdocbo: all h264 I have tried have been playing just fine | 12:27 |
| cdocbo | something is wrong with my mplayer, I think | 12:27 |
| konttori__ | just that that 40% also means more power usage, and thus less time on battery | 12:27 |
| konttori__ | on, you are using mplayer | 12:27 |
| cdocbo | I tried to play a DVD mpeg I ripped, it won't play either (1 fps max) | 12:27 |
| konttori__ | my comments were for the default gstreamer based player | 12:27 |
| mgedmin | wait, avahi-daemon *is* already installed, it's just avahi-dnsconfd that's missing | 12:27 |
| konttori__ | as that is using dsp. | 12:27 |
| konttori__ | and we are talking about n900, right? | 12:28 |
| mgedmin | or did one of the apps pull it in? | 12:28 |
| cdocbo | nomis, n810 | 12:28 |
| * mgedmin scratches head | 12:28 | |
| cdocbo | er, no, n810. :) | 12:28 |
| konttori__ | ok, n810 is not able to to to decode h264 properly | 12:28 |
| konttori__ | upgrade to n900 ;) | 12:28 |
| cdocbo | no way wife would go for that. :-/ | 12:29 |
| konttori__ | why not? | 12:29 |
| cdocbo | I just bought too many other toys. :) | 12:29 |
| konttori__ | oh, but this is not a toy, it's a mobile phone. | 12:29 |
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| konttori__ | so, serious tool for everyday communication. | 12:29 |
| Corsac | note that you should be able to run wiibrator on it | 12:30 |
| cdocbo | anything else I can do to get this working on the 810? | 12:30 |
| Corsac | so it /may/ become a toy | 12:30 |
| cdocbo | short of transcoding it... | 12:30 |
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| mgedmin | avahi *is* preinstalled, woooo hooo!!! | 12:31 |
| mgedmin | all I need to do is change the hostname | 12:31 |
| ccooke | nice | 12:32 |
| mgedmin | (vi /etc/hosts, vi /etc/hostname, hostname -F /etc/hostname, /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon restart) | 12:32 |
| mgedmin | and to ssh in I need to scp my authorized_keys, run vipw and change user:! to user:* | 12:32 |
| mgedmin | after installing openssh of couse | 12:33 |
| mgedmin | qwerty12_N810: I uploaded my temporary build of xchat to fremantle extras, hope you don't mind | 12:34 |
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| mgedmin | eagerly awaiting your version with improved UI | 12:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin: Crap, I've also done the same :/ | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | woohoo, a race condition :) | 12:34 |
| mgedmin | mine had version 2.8.6-maemo10fremantle1 | 12:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, yeah, yours should be the version that shows up then | 12:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mine is "2.8.6-maemo10" | 12:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 12:35 |
| mgedmin | oops | 12:35 |
| mgedmin | maemo10 was the version in diablo, surely if you've made further changes you would've increased it to maemo11... | 12:36 |
| mgedmin | I thought | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | so this 10% mpe4, h264 40% is for the n810? | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | how about the n900? | 12:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin: I can be a little lax in my running of dch :\ | 12:36 |
| konttori__ | mgedmin: finally xchat in there! Wohoo! thanks! | 12:36 |
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| * brbrbr warmly greeet everyone | 12:41 | |
| BluesLee | does someone else has display problems with xephyr/xnest and the new sdk? | 12:41 |
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| Mek | if with display problems you mean the blue and green channels sometimes being swapped, yes, I've seen that | 12:42 |
| BluesLee | Mek: its worse here http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/94e0421358b5f425ca60c907b90254a3.jpg | 12:43 |
| BluesLee | Mek: i dont get the "launcher bar" or whatever it is called | 12:45 |
| BluesLee | i also tried xnest | 12:45 |
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| cdocbo | well thanks guys, guess I'll try a upnp server to transcode on the fly. | 12:46 |
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| zgold_ | anybody know how to join irc channels to n900? | 12:48 |
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| ccooke | zgold_: you'll need to install something - a local client, the irc transport for telepathy or ssh to a server with a client you use | 12:49 |
| zgold_ | i installed the telepathy plugon | 12:49 |
| ccooke | right now that'll mean adding the extras-devel repository, which might(will) have bugs | 12:49 |
| zgold_ | *nd i logged in | 12:49 |
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| zgold_ | but i dont see how to join a channel | 12:50 |
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| ccooke | ah. Not sure, I haven't tried that myself | 12:50 |
| mgedmin | I couldn't figure out the telepathy irc plugin | 12:50 |
| mgedmin | xchat should be now available from maemo extras-devel | 12:51 |
| zgold_ | i get nickserv msgs heh | 12:51 |
| zgold_ | meh. i have ssh amd irssi which i using now | 12:51 |
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| zgold_ | native would be nicw | 12:51 |
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| BluesLee | can someone check if this is conform with older versions? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Starting.2FShutting_down_the_SDK_UI | 12:57 |
| mgedmin | xchat's build succeeded ~10 minutes ago; how long does it usually take for the package to appear in the repo? | 12:58 |
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| mgedmin | what's the status of fbreader for fremantle? | 12:59 |
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| mgedmin | ah, it's in extras-devel | 12:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's a total shitpile, to be honest. Straight build of the Diablo version, and that doesn't really work well in FBReader's case | 13:00 |
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| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: UI assumption breaks? | 13:01 |
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| mgedmin | fbreader was always an odd fish | 13:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ccooke: Yep, and simple things like not telling that volume daemon to fuck off so you can use the volume keys to change pages | 13:02 |
| mgedmin | ui-wise | 13:02 |
| BluesLee | mgedmin: there was something like opiereader on the zaurus, newer versions should compile against qt, http://www.timwentford.uklinux.net/ | 13:02 |
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| ccooke | qwerty12_N810: ah ha. Useless. | 13:03 |
| BluesLee | mgedmin: i used a version from tim on my freerunner within qtopia | 13:03 |
| mgedmin | I always tweak my fbreader's toolbar.xml to add page up/down buttons | 13:04 |
| BluesLee | mgedmin: opiereader had gestures for navigation | 13:04 |
| frals | awesome, q3 source coming to garage *soon* :D | 13:05 |
| Mek | hmm... is there no rsync package yet for fremantle? | 13:05 |
| BluesLee | mgedmin: i also have fbreader with gestures on freerunner, it shouldnt be hard to transfer the code | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | no windows-1257 support in freemantle's iconv... | 13:05 |
| mgedmin | Mek: I can rebuild the diablo one if you wish | 13:06 |
| mgedmin | hm... no freemantle fuelpad yet | 13:06 |
| Mek | ah, actually, thre is a rsync in extras-devel | 13:06 |
| ccooke | Harmattan UI sounds interesting | 13:09 |
| ccooke | anyone not there interested? | 13:09 |
| ccooke | (and not willing to wait a few hours, I guess :-) | 13:10 |
| * qwerty12_N810 shoots himself for deleting Q3 data files | 13:10 | |
| mgedmin | ccooke: you there? I'm somewhat interested | 13:10 |
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| mgedmin | but fremantle UI is also interesting, which is why I'm in the N900 room | 13:10 |
| ccooke | the obvious: Ground-up rebuild for cross-platform use | 13:11 |
| ccooke | they're planning for GL effects everywhere | 13:11 |
| ccooke | new frameworks: state machine and graphics | 13:11 |
| ccooke | effects on widgets | 13:11 |
| ccooke | multitouch, but you knew that | 13:11 |
| ccooke | qt3d | 13:12 |
| ccooke | uses QT graphics view framework, scene graph based UI. everything is part of a boundless scene, with windows acting as views upon that | 13:13 |
| ccooke | physics widgets | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | the speaker here pronounces "focus" in a very interesting way | 13:13 |
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| mgedmin | sounds like a nsfw phrase | 13:13 |
| ccooke | :-) | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | wakes me up | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | I'd already forgotten how awful modest was on diablo | 13:13 |
| mgedmin | it's quite usable in maemo 5 | 13:14 |
| ccooke | indeed | 13:14 |
| mgedmin | what are physics widgets? | 13:14 |
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| ccooke | (he's now talking about qt, but that's not really new) | 13:14 |
| ccooke | mgedmin: widets with physics effects associated with them to allow kinetic scrolling in the framework | 13:15 |
| ccooke | (and other effects) | 13:15 |
| ccooke | Maemo 6 UI: Brand new UI. they want it to be recognisably nokia | 13:15 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 13:16 |
| mgedmin | recognizably *new* nokia, or recognizably nokia from things like s40/s60? | 13:16 |
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| ccooke | implication was new. | 13:16 |
| ccooke | but $disclaimer, basically :-) | 13:16 |
| ccooke | hmm | 13:17 |
| ccooke | "advanced theming system based on svg and css" | 13:17 |
| ccooke | "additional layouts, including implicit animations" | 13:18 |
| frals | qwerty12_N810: i could supply you, assuming ofcourse you own the original somewhere ;)) | 13:18 |
| ccooke | "support device independant measurements such as milimetres in the css" | 13:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | frals: Ah, don't worry, I've "bought" it lots of times before... | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | ccooke: people creaming their pants yet? :P | 13:19 |
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| mgedmin | for some reason I cannot make myself feel excited about qt... | 13:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin: You're not the only one... | 13:20 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: :-) | 13:20 |
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| ccooke | Maemo 6 compositor is now split from the WM | 13:22 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 13:22 |
| mgedmin | why? | 13:22 |
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| ccooke | mgedmin: it's apparently cleaner and more similar to desktop linux | 13:22 |
| mgedmin | but but but | 13:23 |
| mgedmin | desktop linux went in the other direction | 13:23 |
| mgedmin | compositor inside wm | 13:23 |
| ccooke | there were other reasons which I may have missed | 13:23 |
| ccooke | Check the video and then complain :-) | 13:23 |
| mgedmin | originally compositor was a separate app (eg. xcompmgr) | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | cleaner api prolly | 13:24 |
| ccooke | indeed | 13:24 |
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| ccooke | "will M6 support other resolutions?": Answer suggested that *devices* are unlikely to have other resolutions, but they already run it in much higher resolutions in dev and it should scale to lower ones | 13:27 |
| ccooke | contextkit - new framework for device state information, available to any process | 13:28 |
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| ccooke | right, I'd better move on | 13:28 |
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| * mgedmin asks for cp1257 support in fremantle's libc: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5303 | 13:29 | |
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| mgedmin | xchat fell into extras | 13:32 |
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| mgedmin | vim isn't there yet | 13:32 |
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| mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Stars says password safe needs someone to test it on the device | 13:34 |
| mgedmin | I can do that | 13:34 |
| mgedmin | in fact I've been doing that | 13:34 |
| mgedmin | but where do I send feedback? | 13:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | maemo.org/packages | 13:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | look for password safe in the Qa queue and thumb up/down and comment | 13:35 |
| mgedmin | ah, it helps if I log in | 13:36 |
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| mgedmin | why is the user account locked by default? | 13:46 |
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| Lynoure | Is there a separate channel for the maemo summit as it is ongoing? (would be interesting to hear commentary on the talks I'm missing or share comments on the talks I'm listening to) | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | Lynoure: not irc, but check out http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/item/10590_Maemo_Summit_Day_2-live.php | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think anyone would object to that in here | 13:51 |
| Corsac | I certainly don't | 13:52 |
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| onion | fremantle extra-devels seems a bit broken | 14:01 |
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| Lynoure | onion: just heard that too, half an hour ago from the guy sitting next to me. | 14:03 |
| onion | ah, ok. just noticed when I tried adding it | 14:04 |
| Lynoure | No N900 for me to play with yet, unless I hijack Iridian's. | 14:04 |
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| onion | well, lunch | 14:05 |
| ShadowJK | Shapeshifter, it was for N900 | 14:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: ah. | 14:15 |
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| wazd | wooden n900 - wow :) | 14:29 |
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| ccooke | wooden? | 14:54 |
| mgedmin900 | grr xchat unfriendly with connection drops | 14:55 |
| mgedmin900 | anyone got a prepaid 3g card in amsterdam? | 14:55 |
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| * mgedmin900 also wants mdns resolution | 14:58 | |
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| tekonivel | all that Maemo 6 and Qt -stuff is making me (and supposedly other people too) to hesitate about N900+Maemo 5 | 15:03 |
| tekonivel | it would be very wise of nokia to officially say how are N900 and Maemo 6 gonna come with each other. If they're compatible: that's great; if not, good to know | 15:04 |
| tekonivel | i think i'll postpone getting an n900 until some light is shed on this | 15:05 |
| tekonivel | which fscking sucks, because i'm quite annoyed by my N95 | 15:05 |
| tekonivel | and in need of a new phone | 15:05 |
| tekonivel | would hate to spend 400€ (600€-estimated resale value) for half a year of Maemo 5 | 15:06 |
| ccooke | tekonivel: here are some things that nokia announced about maemo 6 devices: | 15:07 |
| ccooke | They will be omap 3 based | 15:07 |
| ccooke | They will have WVGA screens, like the other tablets | 15:08 |
| ccooke | they will be opengl based | 15:08 |
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| ccooke | basically, they've said that the hardware platform for maemo 6 devices is going to be almost identical to maemo 5 | 15:08 |
| Mek | except for the capacative touchscreen... | 15:09 |
| ccooke | They said they'd support multitouch "on capacitive devices", which implies there will be some resistive ones | 15:09 |
| frals | cept for the multitouch screen i guess | 15:09 |
| frals | oh cool | 15:09 |
| JosefAssad | how useful is multitouch actually in daily use? | 15:09 |
| ccooke | JosefAssad: ish. Depends on the level of integration and accuracy of its use | 15:10 |
| mgedmin900 | is maemo 6 really going to be ready in 6 months? | 15:10 |
| ccooke | I prefer resistive screens for their more universal use | 15:10 |
| JosefAssad | ccooke: that, plus it's a small screen really. Too many operations requiring multitouch would actually be actively uncomfortable | 15:10 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900: no idea, but if so I'm *certain* it'll support th n900 | 15:10 |
| mgedmin900 | a n900 is a wonderful sevice | 15:11 |
| mgedmin900 | device | 15:11 |
| ccooke | You can't use a capacitive screen easily when it's raining, for instance | 15:11 |
| JosefAssad | I actually like the spinning gesture more for zooming in and out. | 15:11 |
| ccooke | or even if the tips of your fingers are wet | 15:11 |
| sulx | or at cold weather | 15:12 |
| ccooke | yeah | 15:12 |
| JosefAssad | If I had to zoom in and out 1000 times I know I'd much rather do it by drawing a circle than by pinching | 15:12 |
| sulx | or with gloves | 15:12 |
| sulx | if your hands are covered with oil or some other s**t, you can poke resistive with screwdriver or something ;) | 15:13 |
| mgedmin900 | speaking of 1000 times, kinetic scrolling sucks for very long lists | 15:14 |
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| mgedmin900 | examples: app manager, maemo irc logs page | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: Using Application Manager with extras-devel? ;P | 15:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep. | 15:14 |
| dimir | Is it possible to start graphical apps manually from scratchbox command line? | 15:15 |
| tigert | yeah, appmanager really should do live search | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | dimir: run-standalone.sh <program> | 15:15 |
| mgedmin900 | app manager: I want filtering by first letter, not by category | 15:15 |
| dimir | qwerty12_N810: example of the program? | 15:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Well, whatever you have installed | 15:15 |
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| dimir | qwerty12_N810: I tried: run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/browser | 15:15 |
| dimir | qwerty12_N810: but it didn't appear on Xephyr. | 15:16 |
| dimir | qwerty12_N810: I have standard maemo5 final sdk. | 15:16 |
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| mgedmin900 | uh oh | 15:17 |
| dimir | And I was doing it from the same command line where I just executed 'af-sb-init.sh start' | 15:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | dimir: $DISPLAY correctly set, you've ran "af-sb-init.sh start", etc? | 15:17 |
| dimir | qwerty12_N810: ye. | 15:17 |
| dimir | brb | 15:17 |
| mgedmin900 | I broke app manager | 15:18 |
| mgedmin900 | clicked on some random installer in app menu | 15:19 |
| mgedmin900 | hit back and close when it launched app mgr | 15:19 |
| mgedmin900 | relaunched app mgr | 15:19 |
| mgedmin900 | now it has no catalogues | 15:19 |
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| mgedmin900 | oof, restarted it and all's fine | 15:22 |
| zgold_ | im tryimg to make a new .desktop that laumches ossoxterm with an arguement and failing miserably on n900 | 15:25 |
| onion | has the stylus kbd been removed? | 15:25 |
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| jeremiah | Lightening talks soon at maesum | 15:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | onion: For Fremantle, yes | 15:26 |
| onion | argh | 15:26 |
| JosefAssad | ugh, no matter what I do I can't register on maemo.org | 15:26 |
| onion | i hate the fullscreen thingy and typing with the hwkbd is slow | 15:27 |
| JosefAssad | If anyone has the time to try the maemo.org registration so they can tell me if the problem is me or the site I'd appreciate it | 15:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Not so keen on the fullscreen one, myself, but the hardware one isn't all that bad (once you get used to its unorthodox layout...) | 15:27 |
| onion | i got so used to the stylus kbd on the 770 | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I got used to it on the N800 (never used the fullscreen one) but I got used to the N810 keyboard and now I don't use the stylus/finger keyboard at all :) | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Only time I use the finger keyboard on the N900 is if I can't be arsed to pull out the slider :p | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It's so much hard work. | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | (but, yes) | 15:30 |
| onion | hbkbd layout for fi is strange, cursors go behind combinations | 15:30 |
| onion | hw | 15:31 |
| jeremiah | JosefAssad: That problem pops up now and then | 15:31 |
| jeremiah | Trying to find the bug report for it in bugzilla . . . | 15:31 |
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| ShadowJK | onion, it does that on all non-english keyboard I think | 15:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | onion: Ah, yeah, I can see that being an annoyance... This one is the English layout so I'm lucky regarding the arrows :) | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | except maybe french | 15:33 |
| ShadowJK | you can set it to english in control panel anyway, look at picture of english keyboard and remember where the letters are ;-) | 15:33 |
| tekonivel | ccooke: i don't know what are your affiliations (i assume everyone here is a fanboi), but that's for the summary... that's what i've read before... i guess n900 it shall be for me, then | 15:33 |
| onion | my kbd is englis so its even harder :) | 15:34 |
| tekonivel | great coverage from Maemo Summit on allaboutmaemo, btw | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish that optimus-like keyboards weren't so expensive to make | 15:35 |
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| tekonivel | one more day to go | 15:35 |
| tekonivel | maybe someone change the /topic to point ppl to Maemo summit | 15:36 |
| tekonivel | plsk? | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | /topic It's over there! -> | 15:36 |
| javispedro | you can change it. | 15:36 |
| mgedmin900 | excellent talk by dneary | 15:36 |
| jeremiah | a meta talk | 15:37 |
| jeremiah | talking about talking | 15:37 |
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| tekonivel | such a lengthy topic... | 15:37 |
| tekonivel | oh well, it's great that maesum is mentioned there | 15:38 |
| onion | neat | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | 8 n900s sold on ebay already (uk, preorder) | 15:38 |
| tekonivel | anyone here on irc with a n900? haw are your carpal syndromes doing? | 15:38 |
| onion | fine | 15:38 |
| jeremiah | not too bad | 15:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SpeedEvil: Pre-order? Meh. | 15:39 |
| mgedmin900 | o/ | 15:39 |
| jeremiah | But I have my N810 with me and my computer too | 15:39 |
| * qwerty12_N810 uses his N810 to IRC | 15:39 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | N900 + router don't agree with each other | 15:39 |
| jeremiah | relying on network in a lightening talk is always risking | 15:39 |
| * javispedro loves his N810 | 15:39 | |
| jeremiah | a fail whale | 15:39 |
| tekonivel | amazon.de had some great prices for N900 about a week ago, now at 600€ | 15:40 |
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| tekonivel | i have an n800 and wouldn't use it for irc if you pointed a gun at me | 15:40 |
| JosefAssad | jeremiah: this the one you're thinking of? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4763 | 15:40 |
| * jeremiah checks JosefAssad's link | 15:40 | |
| tekonivel | any finns around? mistäs ostatte oman N900:nne? | 15:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: I used to IRC using an N800. And this was with the stylus keyboard... | 15:41 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs the lack of linux voice recognition software. | 15:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | (desktop) | 15:41 |
| JosefAssad | jeremiah: it's a pretty crappy bug report but it covers my problem too | 15:41 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: oh dear... | 15:41 |
| jeremiah | heh | 15:41 |
| jeremiah | Maybe a bug report on the bug report | 15:42 |
| mgedmin900 | feedhandler presentation convincing | 15:42 |
| JosefAssad | jeremiah: i'll pick that one p and provide better info | 15:42 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: i don't come with the n800 keyboard at all. the fullscreen keyboard was ok, but f.ex. the swipe-left-for-erase works kind of randomly | 15:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: I hate the fullscreen keyboard for IRC :) | 15:43 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: also the upper row of the onscreen keyboard is horrid at getting capital letters by swiming up | 15:43 |
| jeremiah | JosefAssad: That would be nice of you - and it is the bug I was thinking of. | 15:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: You miss half of what has been said | 15:43 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: did you use dvorak or some other tweaks? | 15:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: True :) | 15:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: Nope, plain qwerty :) | 15:43 |
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| JosefAssad | jeremiah: will o. When i got somethking more descriptive ill ask you who i shound bug. :) | 15:44 |
| jeremiah | JosefAssad: Thanks for more info and I am sure your account will get set up even if it has to be done by hand | 15:44 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: props | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | true to his name | 15:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 15:44 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: you were truly desperate to get on irc... you need to get halp ;) | 15:44 |
| JosefAssad | jeremiah: I'd be happier if it took longer to get the account if it helped find a bug somewhere. | 15:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: I'm addicted to #maemo, let alone any other channels... | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | he's got help | 15:44 |
| tekonivel | i guess a hw-keyboard (n810, n900 etc) is necessarily | 15:45 |
| javispedro | #furry-pr0n ? | 15:45 |
| tekonivel | better | 15:45 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: well, i guess one can learn to live with the minikeyboard of n800; or just buy a device with a hw-kb | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | teko: not really | 15:45 |
| * tekonivel is surrounded by crazy peoples | 15:46 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: Yep. I was given an N810 and it's much more saner to use with XChat :) | 15:46 |
| tekonivel | though there are good onscreen minikeyboards out there too | 15:46 |
| sp3000 | aww, poor rsync. nobody loves him | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | teko: yeah it's easier to type on the go, but hardely something you'd want to use full time | 15:46 |
| tekonivel | iphone, n900 i guess etc... but n800... it's quite a nuisance | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | tekonivel, currently debating whether to buy from nokia shop since they get the first shipment for sure, or from idesan which seems to be cheapest now | 15:47 |
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| Corsac | idesan? | 15:47 |
| * JosefAssad would have loved to see Steve Jobs' reaction to Fremantle/Harmattan/N900 | 15:47 | |
| tekonivel | crashanddie: yea, esp now with netbooks available (also much cheaper than an f.ex. maemo device) that you can use if you sit down and intend to chat for a bit longer time | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | that being said, the n900 has a much better keyboard than the n810 | 15:48 |
| tekonivel | of course you can't use an eeepc and walk at the same time | 15:48 |
| tekonivel | ShadowJK: in pHinland? | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | tekonivel, yes | 15:48 |
| mgedmin900 | I miss some dedicated keys, esp - | 15:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Oh, you finally got one? :p | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | n900 doesn't have on-screen keyboard | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | But I just used hintaseuranta | 15:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: It has a finger one | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, I thought it did | 15:49 |
| tekonivel | ShadowJK: oh yeah, i'd better do that too... forgot | 15:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Enable it in the Control Panel | 15:49 |
| mgedmin900 | and entering ~ is really torturous | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | i wouldn't use a netbook for proper typing either | 15:49 |
| tekonivel | crashanddie: i'm using my eeepc for all things. my desktop pc has been packed away for half a year now | 15:50 |
| tekonivel | eeepc 901+ubuntu=bliss | 15:50 |
| mgedmin900 | lack of hw tab makes xchat nick completion tricky | 15:50 |
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| tekonivel | also, i wear baggy pants so eeepc fits into my pocket | 15:50 |
| tekonivel | well, barely, but it does->no need for a bag | 15:50 |
| Khertan | lol | 15:50 |
| tekonivel | srsly | 15:51 |
| * mgedmin900 has a mental image of tekonivel | 15:51 | |
| mgedmin900 | 8) | 15:51 |
| sp3000 | mgedmin900: I used fn+space on N810 but there's kinda no free fn layer left to stash these things onto on N900 ;) | 15:51 |
| javispedro | eeePC fitting on pocket? | 15:51 |
| javispedro | I need to see that. | 15:51 |
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| saltsa_ | is it easy to make maemo able to run android apps? | 15:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sp3000: Fn + $ ;) | 15:51 |
| javispedro | saltsa_: as easy as to make it run ZX81 apps read from a tape. Not unless you are a hacker or have money to hire one (for now). | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | tekonivel, I think you need to provide some image as proof | 15:52 |
| ShadowJK | saltsa_, no | 15:52 |
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| saltsa_ | javispedro, well, isn't android apps still something like mobile java apps? | 15:52 |
| javispedro | saltsa_: not at all. | 15:52 |
| saltsa_ | and the base system is linux in both platforms.. | 15:52 |
| tekonivel | there's no laptop in this image, but youhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/xmacex/509046302/ | 15:52 |
| tekonivel | oops | 15:52 |
| javispedro | saltsa_: the kernel is linux. the base system is GNU on Maemo, but not on Android. | 15:53 |
| tekonivel | there's no laptop in this image, but you'll get a glimpse of the trousers http://www.flickr.com/photos/xmacex/509046302/ | 15:53 |
| * mgedmin900 never realized the tv out can be used for presentations until he saw people doing that | 15:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: why not? | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: jsspeccy could easily support zx81 | 15:53 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: but it does not NOW, and that's what I mean ;) | 15:53 |
| saltsa_ | javispedro, does android have any terminal or gnu tools, or is it possible to install them? | 15:53 |
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| tekonivel | the eeepc sticks out, but certainly won't drop (unless i go climbing somewhere) | 15:53 |
| javispedro | saltsa_: dunno. | 15:53 |
| saltsa_ | just thinking should i bought the n900 or some android... :P | 15:54 |
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| sp3000 | or a netbook and bigger pants ;) | 15:54 |
| tekonivel | i hate bags; things that don't fit in my pockets are useless!!! | 15:54 |
| javispedro | sp3000++ | 15:54 |
| tekonivel | sp3000: i approve! | 15:54 |
| Khertan | and yeah eeepc is maybe nice but you chat more th" two hours without running out of battery | 15:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tekonivel: I thought you were referring to front pockets (in which case, I'd would have made a comment about your ability to still have children... ;)) | 15:54 |
| javispedro | tekonivel: Chapeau! | 15:55 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: lol xD | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | I think the GNU tools and terminals are usually locked away on android devices? | 15:55 |
| mgedmin900 | getting root is easier on maemo than on android, no? | 15:55 |
| mgedmin900 | no operator lockins | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | mgedmin900, yes | 15:56 |
| tekonivel | qwerty12_N810: you know back in the day ppl actually had a front pocket in the middle, and would store all sorts of good there to impress woomin. this was before the front pocket evolved to a fly | 15:56 |
| tekonivel | like in the 17th century or whatever | 15:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | haha | 15:56 |
| mgedmin900 | why no battery estimate, just a picture, on n900? | 15:57 |
| sp3000 | I was going to check the diagonal" of my pockets but now I'm having second thoughts | 15:57 |
| tekonivel | minilaptop won't impress anyone these days. you need one of those reficulous 17" multimedialaptops to show your masculinity | 15:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: You have had the N800 and N810 for long enough to know that Nokia's estimates on the battery times != reality | 15:57 |
| tekonivel | s/ref/red/ | 15:57 |
| infobot | tekonivel meant: minilaptop won't impress anyone these days. you need one of those rediculous 17" multimedialaptops to show your masculinity | 15:57 |
| sp3000 | where's that one picture... | 15:57 |
| ccooke | tekonivel: hardly. I'm carrying around one of those and I don't think it says anything about that :-) | 15:58 |
| tekonivel | bugger, that infobots know a thing or two! great! | 15:58 |
| tekonivel | s/bugger/i'll be damned/ | 15:58 |
| infobot | tekonivel meant: i'll be damned, that infobots know a thing or two! great! | 15:58 |
| tekonivel | i love that feature on a irc-bot <3 | 15:59 |
| Khertan | .j | 15:59 |
| Khertan | xchat isn t available yet on fremantle ? | 15:59 |
| * tekonivel proceeds to hintaseuranta.fi | 16:00 | |
| frals | Khertan: some are using it, i think its in queue for -testing | 16:00 |
| tekonivel | all sorts of uncertainty-factors... with N95 we had v1, v2 and v3, plus the N95 GB | 16:00 |
| tekonivel | will there be a better N900 if i wait? | 16:00 |
| * ccooke carries around a giant laptop because he is a gigantic freak of nature and can't comfortably use anything smaller :-) | 16:01 | |
| JosefAssad | ccooke: Oh, a Nokia Communicator huh :p | 16:01 |
| tekonivel | ccooke: i was waiting for an excuse... | 16:01 |
| Khertan | i didn t found it in extras-devel :) | 16:01 |
| ccooke | tekonivel: does that count? | 16:02 |
| tekonivel | ccooke: so and so | 16:02 |
| * ShadowJK finds his n810's average power use can vary by 3x from week to week with exact same use | 16:02 | |
| * tekonivel never got the idea of those big laptops | 16:02 | |
| frals | Khertan: mgedmin900 seems to run it on his n900, dunno how he did it :) | 16:03 |
| Lynoure | small hands are handy with things like N900 =) | 16:03 |
| Corsac | ShadowJK: maybe it depends on the wifi networks around | 16:03 |
| * SpeedEvil hugs his x60s. (12" thinkpad) | 16:03 | |
| tekonivel | they're SUVs of laptops | 16:03 |
| mgedmin900 | it was uploaded this morning | 16:03 |
| mgedmin900 | conboy rules | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | corsac: oh it does, but nothing has really changed | 16:03 |
| ccooke | tekonivel: well, as far as I'm concerned, I can use one on top of my lap without it falling between my legs. Works for me :-) | 16:03 |
| ShadowJK | oh maybe my ISP fixed packet loss | 16:03 |
| tekonivel | ccooke: lol | 16:03 |
| ccooke | mgedmin900: definitely | 16:04 |
| jeremiah | conboy FTW! | 16:05 |
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| tekonivel | oops gotta dash, cya!! | 16:05 |
| mgedmin900 | conboy in extras-devel is broken!?!? | 16:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bye, tekonivel | 16:06 |
| mgedmin900 | shouldnt't have upgraded | 16:06 |
| ccooke | broken things in -devel. Film at eleven ;-) | 16:06 |
| jeremiah | "Use your Maemo device as a Playstation 3 remote controller (In progress)" | 16:06 |
| mgedmin900 | the one in extras worked well | 16:06 |
| jeremiah | ^^ Blue Maemo | 16:06 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | If anyone sees conny there, please tell him that installing a desktop file with an ".inactive" extension is an annoying PITA | 16:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I have to keep readding the shortcut to the desktop whenever I update it | 16:07 |
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| sp3000 | bug? :) | 16:08 |
| * sp3000 didn't get annoyed enough with that to file yet | 16:09 | |
| Lynoure | whee, nice bluemaemo demo! | 16:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Using ".inactive", I believe, is a workaround for some old-ass bug in some old Maemo but I don't think it's been needed since OS2008 | 16:09 |
| * sp3000 has no idea | 16:09 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | And it's certainly an annoyance using it in Maemo 5 | 16:10 |
| sp3000 | well there's always the "stop updating!" option :P | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :p | 16:11 |
| mgedmin900 | disappearing icon = wtf | 16:11 |
| sp3000 | what's broken? | 16:12 |
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| mgedmin900 | anybody else hates the portrait/landscape transition animation? | 16:12 |
| mgedmin900 | the screen is empty for too long | 16:13 |
| jeremiah | Tuomas Kulve == Ogg support in maemo | 16:13 |
| mgedmin900 | conboy works if I run it from xterm, not from desktop shortcut | 16:13 |
| BluesLee | how do i add a repo to the application manager, for instance http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/ | 16:13 |
| BluesLee | webadress as above, distribution "deb", components "user"? | 16:14 |
| mgedmin900 | no | 16:15 |
| mgedmin900 | addr ends with exras/ | 16:16 |
| mgedmin900 | distro is fremantle | 16:16 |
| BluesLee | mgedmin900: and then? | 16:16 |
| BluesLee | okay | 16:16 |
| sp3000 | ...or find an .install file | 16:16 |
| mgedmin900 | components are not under pool/ so you don't see them here | 16:16 |
| mgedmin900 | repository.maemo.org uses 'free' | 16:17 |
| jeremiah | BluesLee: You want to enable "extras" in diablo? | 16:17 |
| BluesLee | no extras in the sdk | 16:18 |
| jeremiah | Ah, extras in the SDK, okay | 16:18 |
| * pupnik thinks drm in maemo is good | 16:18 | |
| BluesLee | he says updating, but he doesnt | 16:18 |
| jeremiah | Are you hoping to install an app from extras or do you just want to develop an app? | 16:19 |
| * mgedmin900 pulls out flaming torch and pitchfork | 16:19 | |
| JosefAssad | christ almighty, just TRYING to reproduce the account creation problem is pure hell | 16:19 |
| jeremiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#For_developers | 16:20 |
| BluesLee | jeremiah: i hope to be able to install one, is there a problem? | 16:20 |
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| jeremiah | BluesLee: The link I posted describes how to enable extras on your device. | 16:20 |
| * sp3000 puts on his robe and wizard hat | 16:20 | |
| jeremiah | I will look for info regarding the SDK and extras, but if you are familiar with /etc/apt/sources.list it is trivial | 16:21 |
| * qwerty12_N810 puts on a gimp suit | 16:21 | |
| jeremiah | BluesLee: If you are not familiar with apt and debian and repos, it is a tiny bit harder. | 16:21 |
| BluesLee | jeremiah: okay, i will try that, its much easier | 16:22 |
| jeremiah | BluesLee: Cool | 16:22 |
| mgedmin900 | ah, conboy was confused because it was running when I upgraded | 16:24 |
| mgedmin900 | closed old window and it works fine now | 16:24 |
| lopz | gm ;) | 16:25 |
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| BluesLee | jeremiah: cool, works well | 16:26 |
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| BluesLee | jeremiah: the app manager regrets to install anything here, but apt-get works well | 16:30 |
| mgedmin900 | itym refuses | 16:32 |
| Mek | hmm... I'm reading some mailing list post that says that to get a standalone application to appear as a home applet, you sohuld simply set the _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE to _HILDON_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_HOME_APPLET; but if I do that and I start that application, the screen momentarily flashes black, and the window doesn't become visible anywhere... | 16:33 |
| JosefAssad | ok, fuck it | 16:33 |
| JosefAssad | I'm just going to confirm the bug and SCREW reporting a workflow | 16:33 |
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| * JosefAssad is trying not to get mad | 16:34 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | JosefAssad: Get mad: Take the hint; they don't want you :p | 16:34 |
| JosefAssad | qwerty12_N810: I would believe that now | 16:36 |
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| detro | To every one got an N900: don't "dist-upgrade" | 16:38 |
| * tekonivel is now officially fanboi | 16:38 | |
| detro | it bricks it | 16:38 |
| tekonivel | just ordered an N900 from Aikon flagship store | 16:39 |
| tekonivel | what's the initiation rite? | 16:39 |
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| tekonivel | Aikon<->Nokia | 16:39 |
| detro | btw, anyone know WHY dist-upgrade brick N900? | 16:39 |
| detro | I'm sure is something stupid that I don't know about | 16:40 |
| zgold_ | can you use n900s control point to render on another device | 16:40 |
| detro | but an answer would make it more clear | 16:40 |
| detro | :D | 16:40 |
| JosefAssad | jeremiah: best I could do: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4763#c3 | 16:41 |
| qwerty12_N900 | detro: Do (did) you have the SDK repo added by any chance? | 16:41 |
| tekonivel | zgold_: via X11?zgold_: do you mean X11 | 16:41 |
| detro | yep: Extras, Extras-Devel and Extras-testing | 16:41 |
| JosefAssad | well. "Best" was the step by step I wrote documenting how to create an account, but the browser crashed | 16:41 |
| detro | How much stupid I'm? | 16:41 |
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| qwerty12_N900 | detro: Ah, I wouldn't use it with extras-devel added. Different versions of ligbrr | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Eurgh | 16:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | * libraries are found there quite often | 16:43 |
| frals | chances are it updated some lib one of the nokia binaries depended on and broke compability and now that service/whatever wont start | 16:43 |
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| pupnik_ | bleh. /me haets identd | 16:43 |
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| detro | I figured out it was "not to do" when during the installation of the packages, I could see a lot of "removing *osso*" | 16:43 |
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| detro | or "removing *-hildon-* | 16:44 |
| detro | that sounded pretty bad :D | 16:44 |
| qwerty12_N900 | pupnik_: I see it is working well for you :p | 16:44 |
| qwerty12_N900 | And I need to get a fucking Tab key | 16:44 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 16:44 |
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| pupnik | qwerty12_900 yeah tab... | 16:46 |
| pupnik | had to adduser pupnik | 16:46 |
| qwerty12_N900 | I can't believe they put it in the extra symbols thing :) | 16:46 |
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| pupnik | i trust their market research. | 16:48 |
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| pupnik | but now my thimbs need to learn a new layout | 16:49 |
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| tekonivel | must get adblock on n900, otherwise endless wrong clicks and cpu hogging advertisement | 16:52 |
| * qwerty12_N900 has once again betrayed MicroB for Tear | 16:52 | |
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| zerojay | I just used the hosts files for that. | 16:55 |
| zerojay | Works great. | 16:55 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: loads of work | 16:56 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: otoh, once you've blocked the 100 most usual sites, you've already blocked most of the crap | 16:57 |
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| Jaffa | af'noon | 17:00 |
| mgedmin900 | walking is disruptive to my irc | 17:00 |
| mgedmin900 | ip addr changes, xchat doesn't care | 17:01 |
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| tekonivel | mgedmin900: speech<-irc->speech soon pls | 17:01 |
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| mgedmin900 | no speech during talks | 17:02 |
| mgedmin900 | typing is quiet | 17:03 |
| zerojay | tekonivel: What work? Download one file, cat filename >> hosts, you're done. Takes 10 seconds. | 17:03 |
| tekonivel | mgedmin900: thinking<-irc->thinking plsk? | 17:03 |
| mgedmin900 | ooh | 17:04 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: i guess | 17:04 |
| zerojay | And the best thing about it is 0 extra CPU use. | 17:05 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: plus u can script it. you forgot f.ex. copy/paste url, sudo and rm file | 17:05 |
| zerojay | No, I didn't. :) | 17:06 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: depending how you figure out the url naturally... view page source->vgrep->select->copy etc.... arg i don't wanna do that | 17:06 |
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| zerojay | What are you talking about? | 17:06 |
| tekonivel | vgrep=visual grep=unpleasant work | 17:06 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: maybe we speak of different things perhaps? | 17:07 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: i want to stop flash-ads | 17:07 |
| zerojay | Yeah, I'm getting that feeling. | 17:07 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: in browser | 17:07 |
| zerojay | Download a hosts file. You'll never see them. | 17:07 |
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| tekonivel | zerojay: oh, you mean a readymade /etc/hosts file from someone who already did all the work? | 17:08 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 17:08 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: that's a more reasonable approach | 17:08 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: they tune to block your local flash ad-servers | 17:08 |
| zerojay | You just cat the file to your /etc/hosts after stripping any localhost part and bam... all done. | 17:08 |
| zerojay | They block anything on all ad servers, pretty much. | 17:09 |
| tekonivel | zerojay: yea, that's more reasonable than start from scratch | 17:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | tekonivel: flashblock? | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 17:13 |
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| Mek | how do I make a screenshot of my n900? | 17:15 |
| * Jaffa thinks the opena/closed device stuff in harmattan could make our efforts on community QA useless | 17:15 | |
| Jaffa | [6~[6~[6~ | 17:15 |
| JosefAssad | I can reproduce behavior looking like a bug using scratchbox/SDK but there's a chance it's X that's at fault. Is this something we want in b.m.o? | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | Mmm, lag | 17:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mek: Ctrl+Shift+P or just install the load-applet | 17:16 |
| Mek | okay, thanks | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Ctrl-Shift-P built in? Cool | 17:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep :) | 17:17 |
| javispedro | JosefAssad: let me guess.... wrong colors? | 17:18 |
| JosefAssad | javispedro: No no, I've already hear about that one. :) | 17:19 |
| javispedro | hehe. | 17:19 |
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| JosefAssad | javispedro: I can file a duplicate if you insist :p | 17:19 |
| mgedmin900 | shame ctrl-shift-p shows no notification | 17:19 |
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| JosefAssad | javispedro: I suspect it's unique because it gives me a log entry with a misspelling. On google, an error message typo is like gold. I can't find anything even remotely related on google | 17:20 |
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| zerojay | Why my 9 year old knows what the walk of shame is, I don't know. | 17:21 |
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| frals | zerojay: lol | 17:21 |
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| zerojay | He said he knew what it was so I said "oh yeah, what is it?" | 17:21 |
| zerojay | "It's when you have sex and..." | 17:22 |
| zerojay | "WHOA WHOA WHOA..." | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | The 4chan generation | 17:22 |
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| zerojay | And just said that I'm gay for his mom. | 17:23 |
| zerojay | lol | 17:23 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: You are *so* gay for his mom | 17:25 |
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| zerojay | Jaffa: Tell me about it. | 17:27 |
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| Jaffa | Location framework seems well-designed | 17:28 |
| SpeedEvil | np: Goldie Lookin' chain - a certain track. | 17:29 |
| zerojay | SpeedEvil: Don't. | 17:29 |
| zerojay | Latest Mauku beta all fucked up for anyone else? | 17:30 |
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| tekonivel | zerojay: i would be happier if microblogging and messaging were integrated into the framework, not as separate apps like mauku. apps are so last season :^) | 17:32 |
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| zemm | host-blocking doesn't block site's internal ads.. plus theres other uses for adblock, to block desired _content_ when needed (not hosts) | 17:38 |
| zerojay | tekonivel: I would be as well. | 17:39 |
| zerojay | zemm: I don't know of any sites that use internal ads, honestly. | 17:39 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to get on with his compressor. | 17:40 | |
| zemm | well, the point being that there is justification for element-level blocking besides hosts | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (for web content) | 17:40 |
| tekonivel | bbl | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - the somewhat growing tendancy to inline images | 17:40 |
| JosefAssad | a bug looking like this: http://pastebin.com/m59d6465b would that be against the SDK or something in Hildon? | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | which is annoying | 17:40 |
| zemm | i remember to have blocked many internal ads | 17:40 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Got Xchat for Fremantle laying around? | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: There should be a straight build of the Diablo one, thanks to mgedmin, in extras-devel | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'll be updating it soon with one that's a little more Fremantle-friendly | 17:43 |
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| tigert | call me oldskool, but ssh + screen + irssi = <3 | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | <- GUI whore | 17:44 |
| zerojay | <- whore | 17:44 |
| * mgedmin900 should've learned irssi when he was still young | 17:44 | |
| zerojay | I like irssi. | 17:45 |
| zerojay | Extras-devel seems to be down. | 17:45 |
| mgedmin900 | hey, is wiki.maemo.org down? | 17:45 |
| zemm | learn irssi? isn't it the most simplest and intuitive client there is? oO | 17:45 |
| zerojay | New update for Mauku available. 2.0 beta 4-update2. | 17:45 |
| tigert | its not about gui for me really | 17:46 |
| zerojay | And it just crashed my entire tablet while installing. lol | 17:46 |
| zerojay | My first N900 reboot in 4 weeks. | 17:46 |
| tigert | its about having a connection up and attacheable when i feel like it | 17:46 |
| JosefAssad | *sigh* | 17:46 |
| * zemm cannot think alternatives to have irssi running 24/7 and using the same app from every machine at hand <3 | 17:47 | |
| javispedro | mgedmin900: up here. | 17:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | zemm: it is shiny | 17:47 |
| zerojay | And now that I can talk... | 17:49 |
| * qwerty12_N810 sees he needs to make XChat's Maemo-Icon-26 48x48 | 17:49 | |
| pupnik | i need to use the bugtracker more | 17:49 |
| zerojay | The reason why I was pissed at Eldar is because he was claiming the N900 was really unstable... whereas I only just now crashed my N900 for the first time since getting it 4 weeks ago. | 17:49 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has only ever filed one Maemo bug | 17:49 | |
| zerojay | With HEAVY use. | 17:49 |
| zerojay | Nokia's going to be getting back one worn out N900 in September 2010. lol | 17:50 |
| pupnik | i got one stuck screen in app menu 1st day | 17:50 |
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| * mgedmin900 broke hildon-desktop | 17:50 | |
| zerojay | I've had app crashes, but never the entire phone. | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: hard crash? | 17:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Nokia is gonna get back a dummy from me :p | 17:50 |
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| zerojay | SpeedEvil: Yeah, just crashed right now when installing the Mauku update. | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | tigert: Quassel ftw? | 17:51 |
| luke-jr | zemm: no, irrsi isn't simple nor intuitive. plus, it's GTK, so fails | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | zerojay: stable hardware ++ | 17:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | luke-jr: Qt. No thanks | 17:51 |
| zemm | gtk? | 17:52 |
| zerojay | SpeedEvil: Not bad for prototype hardware on unfinished firmware. | 17:53 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Love it when extras-devel is down right when I need it. Heh. | 17:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Extras-devel has been rather tempermental lately :/ | 17:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +a | 17:55 |
| Corsac | since when is irssi gtk+? | 17:56 |
| zemm | luke-jr: well i host irssi-clients in my home server and have many girls that don't use computers other than to browse web and irc, and it takes about 10minutes to learn how to get putty and use irssi+screen | 17:56 |
| mgedmin900 | app menu is no longer scrollable for me | 17:56 |
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| zemm | and none of them have complained since or moaned after gui-clients | 17:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Corsac: I believe it has a GTK gui, as an afterthought, but, as usual, luke-jr misses the point | 17:56 |
| zerojay | zemm: You must be lying. You went too far when you said "many girls". | 17:57 |
| zerojay | jk. ;) | 17:57 |
| Corsac | irssi just rocks anyway | 17:57 |
| zemm | so i'd say it's simple enough.. and the freedom to take whatever computer and connect to the client as it was when you left it | 17:57 |
| zerojay | irssi is a good program... just not sure I want it on a screen this small though. | 17:57 |
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| mgedmin900 | microb's 'try again' button in server not found error page is not finger friendly | 17:57 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: Seen the addons window? | 17:58 |
| zerojay | Heh.. still unskinned. | 17:58 |
| mgedmin900 | don't remind me | 17:58 |
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| mgedmin900 | hey, re bricking the n900: are there prerelease firmware images for flashing it? | 17:58 |
| mgedmin900 | or should we be *really* careful? | 17:59 |
| Mek | don't brick it :P | 17:59 |
| zerojay | Yes, but they are encrypted to each of us that got prerelease hardware. | 17:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: I'm still waiting for the firmware you guys have >.> | 17:59 |
| zerojay | And we're behind those at Summit. | 17:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Effin' Summit... | 17:59 |
| zerojay | Last firmware we got was 39-9. | 17:59 |
| zerojay | What do you guys have? | 17:59 |
| Mek | Version 1.2009.41-10? | 18:00 |
| javispedro | I wounder what would happen if you hammered your loaned n900? | 18:00 |
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| hunter007 | Hi all | 18:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I'd blame it on you and send the Nokia men in suits in your direction | 18:01 |
| zerojay | Mek: That's what you have? | 18:01 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: you forgot I STILL DON'T HAVE AN N900. | 18:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: "I was testing DrNokSnes..." | 18:02 |
| Mek | zerojay: yeah | 18:02 |
| hunter007 | Somebody know if exists, some personal wiki for maemo... | 18:02 |
| zerojay | What's that one again... twidilywiki or something? | 18:03 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: and the gods decided to hammer your N900 for that :) | 18:03 |
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| hunter007 | zerojay: yep, but not with html... | 18:05 |
| * Konttori_n900 is happy as a clam now that xchat is ported to fremantle! | 18:05 | |
| zerojay | Konttori_n900: Gotta ask you about wiicontrol. I can't get it to work... the wiicontrol app just keeps dying. | 18:06 |
| Konttori_n900 | enable bluetooth first | 18:06 |
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| zerojay | It was. | 18:07 |
| javispedro | At least I don't have to give my soul back to Nokia in 6 months, as you all conspirators did ;) | 18:07 |
| sulx | d | 18:07 |
| zerojay | lol | 18:07 |
| zerojay | javispedro: A year for me. | 18:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ^ | 18:07 |
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| Konttori_n900 | then, when it starts, prsess the 1+2 quickly. you have about 5 secs to pair. otherwise it dies. | 18:07 |
| Konttori_n900 | i know it's an issue atm. will work when have time. | 18:08 |
| zerojay | python dies. | 18:08 |
| Konttori_n900 | problem is that gtk mainloop doesn't start nicely. | 18:08 |
| zerojay | Doesn't even get to that point. | 18:08 |
| Macer | ugh | 18:09 |
| zerojay | arguments to dbus_connection_get_data() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 5757 | 18:09 |
| Macer | i have to re-install this touchbook os | 18:09 |
| zerojay | This is normally a bug in some application using the dbus library | 18:09 |
| Macer | guess it isn't a good thing to update the pkgs on it :) | 18:09 |
| zerojay | Aborted (core dumped). | 18:09 |
| zerojay | Konttori_n900: The other app... Wiiwhatever.. I can pair with and it works with fine showing my wiimote input. | 18:10 |
| zerojay | Wiimote.py works fine. | 18:11 |
| zerojay | wiicontrol does not. | 18:11 |
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| mgedmin900 | numpty physics totally not ready for fremantle | 18:11 |
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| zerojay | Neither is xchat. lol | 18:12 |
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| hunter007 | I want to send one ITP , but what is the mail-list... | 18:14 |
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| javispedro | Intent to Package? | 18:15 |
| hunter007 | javispedro:yes | 18:15 |
| javispedro | This is Maemo. Unless it's a system library, just do it. | 18:15 |
| javispedro | Well, check if nobody did it before, of course. | 18:15 |
| hunter007 | but, is necessary make to know... similar to Debian... | 18:16 |
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| javispedro | not necessary. | 18:17 |
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| zerojay_N900 | just do it. | 18:17 |
| zerojay | Yeah. | 18:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nike. | 18:17 |
| hunter007 | ok, but exists some mail-lists about this aims | 18:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nope | 18:18 |
| hunter007 | ... | 18:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | If you don't want to do it yourself, ask on talk.maemo.org. Someone may help but there certainly is no obligation for anyone to do so. | 18:19 |
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| hunter007 | well, I packaged for Debian... I though it was similar... | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | tools are similar to debian etch. policy is different. | 18:20 |
| * mgedmin900 wants maemo-mapper | 18:20 | |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging | 18:20 |
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| Corsac | I read maemo-paper | 18:21 |
| Corsac | :/ | 18:21 |
| javispedro | maemo-paper-writer | 18:21 |
| Corsac | maemo-printer! | 18:21 |
| javispedro | WHO said you couldn't write your thesis in a small keyboard!? | 18:21 |
| javispedro | let maemo write it for you! | 18:21 |
| Macer | javispedro: i used to do that with my n95 + su8w + quickoffice | 18:22 |
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| Macer | worked great | 18:22 |
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| Macer | although n95 only had bt printing | 18:22 |
| Macer | sure wish you could network print with it but i think that was asking too much of symbian heh | 18:23 |
| zerojay | People still use paper? | 18:23 |
| zerojay | I don't think I've printed out anything since... like... 2002. | 18:23 |
| Macer | zerojay: someitmes i think professors grade you on the grade of paper you use | 18:23 |
| hunter007 | ok, thanks | 18:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Go back to school, or something ;P | 18:23 |
| Macer | one day i turned in a paper on this nice cotton fiber paper | 18:24 |
| Macer | which i thihnk was written at a lower quality but the paper was a better quality.. got an A on that one | 18:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I've maxed out my printing credits 3 times already, and I've only been at college a few weeks | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | hunter007: jeremiah has set up an ITP system, but no-one is using it | 18:24 |
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| Macer | and before i wrote a great paper with normal paper and got an A- | 18:24 |
| Macer | haha | 18:24 |
| Macer | i guess presentation matters more than content sometimes | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | hunter007: As said, just package it and upload it to extras: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras | 18:25 |
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| hunter007 | Jaffa: thanks a lot! | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | hunter007: np | 18:26 |
| detro | is Qt Arena online yet? | 18:26 |
| detro | the child in me is looking forward to it :D | 18:27 |
| zerojay | qt? | 18:27 |
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| detro | sorry :D Quake Arena :D | 18:34 |
| detro | I'm really into Qt those days :P | 18:34 |
| mgedmin900 | browser back button is too slow for my taste | 18:34 |
| mgedmin900 | it actually redownloads the page | 18:34 |
| jeremiah | mgedmin900: Yeah, that is kinda weird | 18:34 |
| mgedmin900 | despite my increasing ram cache to 20 megs | 18:34 |
| zerojay | I use the gesture swipe from right to left.. I pick a site..I don't see it redownloading anything. | 18:35 |
| jeremiah | Not sure how I feel about the browser really. | 18:35 |
| jeremiah | zerojay: Yeah, I also had that experience | 18:35 |
| jeremiah | despite the documentation saying it should work. | 18:35 |
| * zerojay closes as WORKSFORME | 18:36 | |
| mgedmin900 | maemo summit schedule | 18:36 |
| jeremiah | hunter007: Yeah, the ITP thingy is almost complete - soon going to start spamming people about it. | 18:36 |
| mgedmin900 | could be http cache control headers | 18:36 |
| mgedmin900 | it's a wiki after all | 18:37 |
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| javispedro | jeremiah: ouch. bad me, then. will be like what's described on http://wiki.maemo.org/ITP ? | 18:39 |
| hunter007 | jeremiah: it sounds great... yeah, I hope spamming too | 18:39 |
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| hunter007 | :) | 18:40 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Maemo EATS! - 6 members. lol | 18:43 |
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| mgedmin900 | transitioncontrol doesn't show up in my app menu, why? | 18:45 |
| jeremiah | javispedro: I am not sure, but we can make it like that. :) | 18:45 |
| jeremiah | hunter007: :) Great. I _have_ to finish it this month, so you'll see some spam soon. | 18:45 |
| jeremiah | javispedro: Yeah, it will be like that link (I think I wrote that.) | 18:46 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin900: Settings | 18:46 |
| jeremiah | Just to let people know what I had hoped to do | 18:46 |
| jeremiah | the pirate bay! | 18:47 |
| jeremiah | etrunko! | 18:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You had hoped to do etrunko? | 18:48 |
| zerojay | lol | 18:48 |
| zerojay | wocka-chica-wocka-chica.. dun dun.... dundunDUN... *moan* | 18:49 |
| hunter007 | :) | 18:49 |
| jeremiah | I had hoped to do the pirate bay :P | 18:49 |
| mgedmin900 | Jaffa: it's not there either | 18:50 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin900: doh | 18:50 |
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| mgedmin900 | hm uninstalling maemo5-load-applet made the brightness applet disappear too | 18:51 |
| zerojay | Why do so many little dialogs come up with text highlighted? | 18:51 |
| zerojay | Especially about dialog boxes. | 18:51 |
| mgedmin900 | it looked like the statusbar thingy crashed and restarted | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mgedmin900: It doesn't come with a brightness applet, unless you installed my clone of Diablo's default one... | 18:51 |
| mgedmin900 | I had installed the 'simple brightness applet' yes | 18:52 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: I see it mostly in Mauku. *Apparently* it's a toolkit bug; but I'm not sure it's not dev error. Text is apprently selected for copying | 18:52 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Every application using a GtkAboutDialog has the title highlighted. I don't think that can be attributed to dev error :) | 18:53 |
| javispedro | wow. Qt Creator is great. | 18:54 |
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| pupnik_ | playing with sdk javispedro? | 18:55 |
| javispedro | nope, native qt creator. | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: I'm going to play with it on my return | 18:55 |
| javispedro | the final sdk is great too :) | 18:55 |
| Jaffa | ...on a GNOME desktop :-/ | 18:55 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: metoo. Who knows I'll end up switching to KDE ;) | 18:55 |
| * qwerty12_N810 would rather jump off a cliff than switch to KDE | 18:56 | |
| javispedro | what's X-Chat equivalent in KDE? | 18:56 |
| pupnik_ | konversation | 18:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Although, Nautilus has to be worse than explorer.exe | 18:56 |
| sulx | weechat/irssi | 18:56 |
| sulx | for every DE ;) | 18:56 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: of the funniest things of Interix is being able to write "killall explorer.exe" | 18:57 |
| pupnik_ | lol | 18:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I keep typing "rm, ls, etc" in a Command Prompt :) | 18:57 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: then you want Interix. or Cygwin... :) | 18:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yes, I do. Thanks :) | 18:58 |
| javispedro | lol. :) | 18:58 |
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| mgedmin900 | nautilus rules | 19:05 |
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| mgedmin900 | modest bug? deleting multiple mails doesn't | 19:05 |
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| Khertan | Hi again | 19:08 |
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| kr1shnak | hello | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | How is it that Modest's quoting is still totally broken? | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do the Modest devs just not use email or something? | 19:10 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Answer: Because it's Modest | 19:10 |
| Khertan | hehe | 19:11 |
| * qwerty12_N810 uses it as an e-mail notifier only | 19:11 | |
| Khertan | seems to work for me | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quoting? :P | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love it when Nokia's email from their devices. | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't separate their text from the quoted text. | 19:11 |
| ccooke | huh | 19:12 |
| Khertan | yep or maybe i didn't use quote like you | 19:12 |
| ccooke | "Unable to receive or send | 19:13 |
| * javispedro grumbles | 19:13 | |
| ccooke | try again | 19:13 |
| ccooke | "Unable to receive or send new messages.\nDevice storage full.\nRemove data to free memory" | 19:13 |
| ccooke | now that's a bug :-) | 19:13 |
| javispedro | with the 100MiB rootfs? | 19:14 |
| Khertan | does there is an hildon expert near i ve strange things with gtksourceview in an hildon.PannableArea | 19:14 |
| ccooke | rootfs is 256M | 19:14 |
| javispedro | free space I mean. | 19:14 |
| javispedro | (probably even less with Qt libs in rootfs...) | 19:14 |
| Khertan | surely less | 19:15 |
| ccooke | oh dear | 19:15 |
| javispedro | this makes me think. Qt is already in rootfs. which means Webkit is already in rootfs. | 19:15 |
| ccooke | the space gone is in /home/user/MyDocs/cities/diskcache | 19:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Bundyo is using maemo-optify | 19:15 |
| ccooke | "oops" | 19:15 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: yeah, but I mean nokia is shipping both webkit and microb. | 19:15 |
| javispedro | qt-webkit | 19:15 |
| pupnik | maemo-optify does what? | 19:15 |
| ccooke | bug time :-) | 19:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, Harmattan... | 19:15 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: harmattan? fremantle! | 19:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, time for me to put a .40 to my head | 19:16 |
| javispedro | pupnik: maemo-optify edits .debs so that they install most files to /opt (2 GiB partition) instead of /usr... | 19:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: /opt is a partition with 1GB available. You run it when you're packaging something to have files installed there in your deb | 19:17 |
| Khertan | by moving files to /opt and making sym links | 19:17 |
| Khertan | but why make two fs and not a 2gb root ? | 19:18 |
| mgedmin900 | different hw | 19:18 |
| zerojay | cause Stone Cold said so! | 19:18 |
| mgedmin900 | firmware flashing issues etc. | 19:19 |
| javispedro | nokia says 256 MiB NAND chip is faster. | 19:19 |
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| Khertan | ah ok | 19:19 |
| AStorm | it's not faster. | 19:19 |
| Khertan | good reason | 19:19 |
| crashanddie | asim: are you real? still at the summit? | 19:19 |
| AStorm | but jffs2 is better than any non-compressed FS | 19:19 |
| mgedmin900 | huge threads on the ml about /opt | 19:19 |
| javispedro | AStorm: N900 uses UBIFS. | 19:19 |
| AStorm | ubifs is better still. | 19:20 |
| AStorm | but the raw chip is not faster | 19:20 |
| AStorm | :) | 19:20 |
| javispedro | AStorm: a employee said something along the lines that the onenand was "better connected". | 19:20 |
| crashanddie | khertan: mec, any chance of having code completion in your python editor? | 19:20 |
| Khertan | UbisoftFS :) everythings in huge pk3 file :) | 19:20 |
| zerojay | lol | 19:20 |
| Khertan | crashanddie yeah i m thinking of doing it | 19:21 |
| zerojay | I'll tell my coworkers you said that. :) | 19:21 |
| AStorm | javispedro: doesn't matter, the chip is slower than the interconnect | 19:21 |
| Khertan | but right now i must before completly refwrite the ui | 19:21 |
| AStorm | MMC is via SPI, OneNAND is directly to CPU | 19:21 |
| crashanddie | khertan a lot of work involved? | 19:21 |
| AStorm | but SPI is 2 Mbit anyway, so... | 19:21 |
| Khertan | zerojay lol | 19:21 |
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| Khertan | as it s unusable in fremantle | 19:22 |
| Khertan | toolbar take too much space | 19:22 |
| Khertan | scrolling is a pain | 19:22 |
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| Khertan | menu unusa | 19:22 |
| Khertan | ble | 19:22 |
| Khertan | and some feature didn t work at all | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | khertan: how about i think/work on the autocompletion while you take your time on the UI? | 19:23 |
| Khertan | crashanddie i think of a rewrite from scratch | 19:23 |
| ccooke | ah ha, sorted | 19:23 |
| javispedro | AStorm: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-September/020591.html | 19:23 |
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| Khertan | and right now i m fighting with pannablearea and gtksourceview | 19:24 |
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| Khertan | as it do the scrolling and selection at the same time | 19:24 |
| AStorm | javispedro: hmmh? that's a "no-anwser" | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | khertan: doesn't mean I can't write a lib that provides AC strings :P | 19:24 |
| AStorm | high system load due to what? interrupts? | 19:24 |
| AStorm | also, likely only important with old kernel ;p | 19:25 |
| javispedro | old kernel? | 19:25 |
| crashanddie | khertan: swipe your finger from out of the screen onto the screen | 19:25 |
| javispedro | this msg is from last month. | 19:25 |
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| AStorm | the n900 kernel is already old | 19:25 |
| AStorm | so, yeah. | 19:25 |
| crashanddie | khertan: on the lower left corner of the screen | 19:25 |
| crashanddie | khertan: gives you a mouse pointer for selection/dragging | 19:26 |
| javispedro | AStorm: well, if there have been changes to the kernel to fix that please post to -developers. | 19:26 |
| AStorm | I'd have to test first | 19:27 |
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| AStorm | w/o a device it's hard ;p | 19:27 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 19:27 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:27 |
| Khertan | crashanddie this work on the browser not in a simple gtksourceview in a pannablearea | 19:29 |
| zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/groups/1281847@N22/ :) | 19:30 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Khertan: osso-xterm has a button that appears on the toolbar for selection when the pannable area contents increase if you want to steal some code | 19:31 |
| Khertan | qwerty yeah this is what i m trying to do | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | i'm drawing interface-agnostic | 19:32 |
| Khertan | but gtksourceview doesn't seems to have settings to disable selection by dragging | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | oooh | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | lemme check | 19:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody there needs to make xmodmap work. | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, pills?! | 19:33 |
| zerojay | lol | 19:33 |
| Khertan | crashanddie where are you maybe i can show you directly on the nit | 19:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Props to the first one to take a picture of a cannabis plant | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | crap, indeed | 19:33 |
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| javispedro | there's no free lunch. | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | n900 room | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | khertan: where you at? | 19:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, damnit, I was typing that out then I turned to page 2. :P | 19:38 |
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| EspadaV8 | does anyone know if they'll be point releases for maemo 5? | 19:47 |
| EspadaV8 | like... 5.1 that'll come with Qt4.6 | 19:47 |
| EspadaV8 | or whatever | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | 6.3 is based on winCE | 19:47 |
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| EspadaV8 | oooh | 19:49 |
| Firebird | EspadaV8, "come with" ? | 19:49 |
| EspadaV8 | that'll be a laugh | 19:49 |
| EspadaV8 | Firebird: yeah, the 5 sdk has qt4.5 | 19:49 |
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| zerojay_N900 | now mobile... yay. | 19:51 |
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| zerojay_N900 | irc on the go, how i've missed you. | 19:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Since I'm not at the Summit, a nice birthday present would be a TV-Out cable posted to me... | 19:54 |
| Ceron^ | so any news on mamemo release date | 19:55 |
| Ceron^ | :O | 19:55 |
| tru | so, anyone with a n900, can you comment on the batterylife? | 19:55 |
| tru | is it as horrible as I have heard? | 19:55 |
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| EspadaV8 | tru: i've found it to be good | 19:57 |
| tru | how good? | 19:57 |
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| EspadaV8 | many-a hour | 19:58 |
| JosefAssad | I can't speak for the N900. I got an N96 and then experienced that the batter life was as shit as people said. Then I engaged my brain, switched of access point scanning and got 2 days to the charge. My point being, I expect it'll be fine. | 19:58 |
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| EspadaV8 | had it on for about 2 days without charging | 19:58 |
| EspadaV8 | with light-ish usage | 19:58 |
| jaska | 2 days to the charge, lol | 19:58 |
| iDialekt | :( used the n900 | 19:58 |
| tru | EspadaV8: that's pretty good. | 19:58 |
| iDialekt | Not as happy as I thought id be about it | 19:59 |
| JosefAssad | iDialekt: criticisms? | 19:59 |
| EspadaV8 | iDialekt: how so? | 19:59 |
| iDialekt | Well im aware that the software might not have been final | 19:59 |
| iDialekt | It's definitely a learning curve but some elements just felt poorly executed | 20:00 |
| iDialekt | Such as with the browser | 20:00 |
| zerojay_N900 | like? | 20:00 |
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| iDialekt | What was shown/displayed on most of the videos may have been through a wifi connection and not actual 3g | 20:00 |
| iDialekt | Videos/ flash support | 20:00 |
| microlith | ... | 20:00 |
| iDialekt | Screen was incredible | 20:01 |
| iDialekt | Pictures and text jump out at you | 20:01 |
| iDialekt | The portrait disable on the home screen bothered me. But it may not to developer and tech gurus | 20:01 |
| JosefAssad | oh, so streaming flash video was laggy/choppy over 3G? | 20:01 |
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| iDialekt | JosefAssad: Correct | 20:02 |
| microlith | that screams network issue and not device issue to me :) | 20:02 |
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| iDialekt | Pages loaded really fast though | 20:02 |
| JosefAssad | iDialekt: if it's fine over wifi then I'd tend to think that isn't a software constraint | 20:02 |
| zerojay_N900 | it is. | 20:02 |
| iDialekt | Although I should tested wifi as well. I just wanted an accurate depiction of what id be getting | 20:02 |
| iDialekt | Since I hardly use wifi | 20:03 |
| iDialekt | zerojay_N900: Are you on the device right now? | 20:03 |
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| zerojay_N900 | yes. | 20:03 |
| zerojay_N900 | on a bus. | 20:03 |
| |R | hehe | 20:03 |
| iDialekt | I could have been too harsh on the device mainly because I probably was expecting replicate desktop performance | 20:03 |
| iDialekt | Which irc client are you using zerojay_N900 ? | 20:04 |
| zerojay_N900 | heading to the mall. | 20:04 |
| zerojay_N900 | xchat. | 20:04 |
| EspadaV8 | i find it annoying that it doesn't rotate | 20:04 |
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| EspadaV8 | accept when you use the phone | 20:04 |
| iDialekt | Yes like it really really bothered me | 20:04 |
| zerojay_N900 | no rotate makes me happy. | 20:04 |
| zerojay_N900 | very happy. | 20:04 |
| iDialekt | You would think at the very least the homescreen would be portrait | 20:04 |
| iDialekt | Naturally the way one holds a phone | 20:05 |
| EspadaV8 | zerojay_N900: how come? | 20:05 |
| iDialekt | While on the go and not just for calls | 20:05 |
| |R | well, my eyes see wider than up/down... | 20:05 |
| zerojay_N900 | gets in the way. | 20:05 |
| EspadaV8 | it's more natural to hold it portrait style | 20:05 |
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| iDialekt | Im already sold on maemo 6 and I feel like skipping this device but I wanna give it a second chance | 20:05 |
| zerojay_N900 | back in my pocket, n900! | 20:05 |
| iDialekt | But I was like "Meh" | 20:06 |
| iDialekt | Keyboard felt a bit cramped towards the top too | 20:06 |
| iDialekt | The tap on a blank area of the screen and other little secret menus were like ... Bleh | 20:07 |
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| JosefAssad | great, now I gotta see if the Bosnian LUG has an IRC channel | 20:07 |
| zerojay_N900 | what secret menus? | 20:08 |
| iDialekt | Lol ? | 20:08 |
| iDialekt | Why? | 20:08 |
| iDialekt | Not secret but just certain elements you have to get used to | 20:08 |
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| Firebird | wouldn't that be like every platform you pick up though? | 20:09 |
| iDialekt | I guess. It was very symbian like in little ways | 20:09 |
| iDialekt | From the look of the fonts | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | being like stuff isn't bad if it's what the user wants andis configurable | 20:10 |
| Firebird | they are nokia fonts | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | and doesn't cause legal action | 20:10 |
| iDialekt | Resistive was the best screen in that format I've used | 20:10 |
| iDialekt | So smooth | 20:10 |
| iDialekt | But still hard to register in certain places | 20:10 |
| iDialekt | Certain elements looked made for a stylus | 20:11 |
| EspadaV8 | yeah, i'd rather it wasn't resistive | 20:11 |
| iDialekt | Keep in mind im just reporting my opinion. | 20:11 |
| EspadaV8 | but it's their best touch screen so far | 20:11 |
| iDialekt | I had high hopes for the device but it might be a little too pda focused even for a geek like me | 20:12 |
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| EspadaV8 | after having it for the past week, i'm pretty sure i'm going to buy one | 20:13 |
| EspadaV8 | even at £470 | 20:13 |
| Firebird | too pda focused? It is after all, internet tablet/computer first, phone last | 20:15 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Between N810 for £70 and N900 for £470, I went for the former | 20:16 |
| EspadaV8 | n810 doesn't have a phone though | 20:16 |
| zemm | can someone with the device confirm if (eg) the scandinavian keyboard layout is switchable to the generic one (full arrow keys)? | 20:16 |
| EspadaV8 | and i'd rather have them bother in one | 20:16 |
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| Ronaldo38741 | Is it quad-band? | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Ronaldo38741: yes | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Ronaldo38741: however quadbanddoesn't alwasy imply much about 3g | 20:17 |
| Ronaldo38741 | I was asking because I move around a lot | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends what areas you're in | 20:18 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Europe/North America/Japan mostly | 20:18 |
| Ronaldo38741 | Wi-fi works everywhere, so I stick to that | 20:19 |
| EspadaV8 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N900#Carriers | 20:19 |
| EspadaV8 | :-) | 20:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, it's a mobile computer, not a phone. | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, do you use portrait on your computer? :) | 20:20 |
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| Ronaldo38741 | Yup | 20:21 |
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| iDialekt | GeneralAntilles: Glad you clarified that | 20:21 |
| iDialekt | I wonder how symbian 4 is going to be | 20:22 |
| SmackPotat | vagalume wont work on my 770 after i payed for the service . it works ok on n810 and | 20:22 |
| mgedmin900 | okay, I think wifi here is misconfigured | 20:22 |
| mgedmin900 | aps with same essid | 20:22 |
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| mgedmin900 | but on different lans | 20:22 |
| SmackPotat | i get a message box nothing left to play | 20:23 |
| mgedmin900 | so when you move, n900 reassociates, but doesn't ask for a new dhcp address | 20:23 |
| mgedmin900 | leaving you w/o a working connection | 20:23 |
| Ceron^ | anyone got an n900 and can take screenshots of mail for exchane in use | 20:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin900, nice. | 20:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, you may need to change the way you think about using your mobile device for an N900. | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, but I can almost guarantee you it will be worth it. :) | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Or just stick with the iphone. | 20:25 |
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| iDialekt | Probably. Not sure because I really enjoyed the e90 but that was probably still more of a phone | 20:26 |
| iDialekt | But maemo 6 already sounds more promising with portrait and capacitive but that's a long ways away | 20:26 |
| iDialekt | It's all down to personal preference. What may be right for some may not be right for another | 20:27 |
| Firebird | really? capacitive was confirmed? | 20:27 |
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| iDialekt | From the slides it looked like it | 20:28 |
| EspadaV8 | maemo 6 does sound good | 20:28 |
| EspadaV8 | although i like Qt, so i'm a bit biased | 20:29 |
| EspadaV8 | just glad that 5 includes Qt too | 20:29 |
| mgedmin900 | yep, multitouch in harmatan | 20:29 |
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| Firebird | totally rules out stantum technology? | 20:30 |
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| Firebird | seems like the better choice if they were sticking with 800x480 | 20:30 |
| EspadaV8 | stantum? | 20:31 |
| Firebird | multitouch resistive panel | 20:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Building XChat on the N900 is sloooow | 20:31 |
| GAN800 | Firebird, yeah, I don't get it. | 20:31 |
| microlith | qwerty12_N810: building it -on- the N900? | 20:31 |
| tank-man | because he can :) | 20:32 |
| GAN800 | iDialekt, now, you do realize that developers are free to implement portrait in Maemo 5, right? | 20:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | microlith: Yep | 20:32 |
| microlith | qwerty12_N810: cool, good to know you can load gcc on the device :) | 20:33 |
| GAN800 | Nokia should even be releasing a portrait update for the browser at some point. | 20:33 |
| EspadaV8 | :-) i hope they do | 20:33 |
| EspadaV8 | why would you build on the device, that'd just trash the on-board flash | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | EspadaV8: /opt | 20:34 |
| GAN800 | Somebody could even do a portrait h-i-m plugin and patch the open source Nokia applications. | 20:34 |
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| EspadaV8 | him? | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Already been done | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (A portrait keyboard) | 20:34 |
| GAN800 | See? | 20:35 |
| EspadaV8 | ah | 20:35 |
| EspadaV8 | i wonder if they'll (nokia) will build their own GUI for 6, or just use something like KDE and strip it down | 20:36 |
| EspadaV8 | - 'll | 20:36 |
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| iDialekt | GAN800: For the os itself and not just applications? | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | Er | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | Repurposing somebody elses stuff wont work. | 20:37 |
| GAN800 | iDialekt, define "os". | 20:37 |
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| range | I think the kernel doesn't care :) | 20:38 |
| * GAN800 wants the new damn firmware. | 20:38 | |
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| iDialekt | Maybe I meant elements of the operating system maybe the ui ? | 20:38 |
| iDialekt | Like desktop, etc | 20:38 |
| GAN800 | Hildon Desktop is open, so that can be patched. | 20:38 |
| range | iDialekt: In my opinion there are too many open problems with that. Like: what happens to widgets when rotating? | 20:38 |
| iDialekt | Range: great point but wouldn't they just align differently maybe resolution somehow shrink to fit in size? | 20:39 |
| iDialekt | Like for the screen itself | 20:39 |
| Ceron^ | http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/10/10/009257 | 20:39 |
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| iDialekt | Is xchat on maemo similar to xchat aqua like the desktop client? | 20:41 |
| GAN800 | Yes | 20:42 |
| iDialekt | Nice | 20:42 |
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| GAN800 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3997966387/ | 20:45 |
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| iDialekt | Wow. | 20:46 |
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| iDialekt | And that took what? 30 seconds | 20:46 |
| iDialekt | Haha wow | 20:46 |
| iDialekt | Lol | 20:46 |
| range | Uh, I'm on someone's screenshot :) | 20:46 |
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| krig_ | hey, anyone know what I need to do to get emacs/emacsclient working from inside the scratchbox? | 20:47 |
| Ceron^ | me too \o/ | 20:47 |
| Firebird | oh... no wonder I can't test SDL GLES... X86 SDK has no gles libs | 20:48 |
| iDialekt | I really wanna switch back to tmobile either way | 20:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | krig_: I do not know, but the Maemo 4 Developers' Guide has a section dedicated to it | 20:48 |
| iDialekt | AT&T I feel like a scumbag but they get the nam nokias | 20:48 |
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| Ceron^ | GAN800: got a screenshot with irssi @ maemo5? | 20:50 |
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| hcarrega | nice screenshot | 20:50 |
| hcarrega | :) | 20:50 |
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| javispedro | bah, not even using a real X server instead of xephyr the blue colors go out. | 20:52 |
| Firebird | javispedro, fix the direct rendering yet? I haven't | 20:52 |
| javispedro | Firebird: I've tried pointing fremantle to my real X server, fixing auth and killing my wm. Guess what? still slow. | 20:52 |
| javispedro | still slow and still blue colors. | 20:53 |
| Firebird | :/ | 20:53 |
| Firebird | going to install the SDK on a x86 machine later, maybe that will wokr | 20:53 |
| javispedro | Firebird: either way. GLX works. | 20:53 |
| javispedro | (of course since hildon-desktop is using it P) | 20:54 |
| Firebird | yea, but not on my system :/ | 20:54 |
| Firebird | its, using mesa | 20:54 |
| javispedro | ah, ok. | 20:54 |
| javispedro | but that should be enough for sdl port. | 20:55 |
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| gomiam | no hoy | 21:01 |
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| hcarrega | GAN800 | 21:08 |
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| hcarrega | du u have more screenshots? | 21:08 |
| javispedro | Firebird: yes! | 21:08 |
| javispedro | damn nvidia and their propietary gl lib | 21:08 |
| javispedro | but it works now! | 21:08 |
| javispedro | no Xephyr (since I have old version it seems) but Xorg. | 21:09 |
| javispedro | hello from my accelerated and ultra fluid x86 hildon desktop. | 21:09 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, how'd you do that? | 21:10 |
| javispedro | ok, now I can at least SEE the parallex effect in the background. | 21:10 |
| Firebird | I tried running a separate X server on :2, but it was still laggy | 21:10 |
| javispedro | Firebird: replacing mesa gl lib with nvidia's :) | 21:10 |
| javispedro | you gave me the idea lol | 21:10 |
| javispedro | the color swap bug is still here | 21:11 |
| javispedro | so it means it's not xephyr's fault | 21:11 |
| Firebird | you replaced the gl libs inside scratchbox? | 21:11 |
| javispedro | yep | 21:11 |
| javispedro | with 32 bit equivalents | 21:12 |
| Firebird | ah | 21:12 |
| Firebird | where's the scratchbox usr/lib folder | 21:13 |
| javispedro | Firebird: /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/lib | 21:13 |
| Firebird | thanks | 21:14 |
| javispedro | does anyone remember how to prevent hildon from fiddling with xcursor? it's hiding it, and it sucks. | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | oh well, at least I get a 1px wide cursor. | 21:16 |
| Firebird | javispedro, still no direct rendering, glxinfo on the :2 shows no direct rendering without the maemo SDK thing running | 21:16 |
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| Firebird | time to go rebuild the old x86 box | 21:16 |
| javispedro | Firebird: unless yo uhave xinerama, | 21:16 |
| javispedro | you have to kill the primary X server to get DRI on the second one. | 21:17 |
| javispedro | (and even with xinerama in some oldie cards like mine) | 21:17 |
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| javispedro | Firebird: it's not anything x86 related. | 21:17 |
| javispedro | s/x86/"ia32 vs amd64" | 21:18 |
| woglinde | hi | 21:18 |
| javispedro | hi woglinde | 21:19 |
| javispedro | what I don't know is: if sbox ships with a mesa GL lib, does that mean no one with a nvidia is getting hw accelerated fremantle? | 21:19 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, you mean I have to kill the :0 server? | 21:21 |
| javispedro | yes | 21:21 |
| Firebird | eh, I'll pass on that | 21:21 |
| woglinde | javis whats the problem? | 21:21 |
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| javispedro | woglinde: trying to get hw accelerated x86 fremantle sdk. | 21:21 |
| Firebird | going to try a dedicated SDK setup on :0 on the other box | 21:21 |
| woglinde | javispedro hm | 21:22 |
| javispedro | Firebird: that's what I'm doing right now. | 21:22 |
| javispedro | (running from :0 at 800x600x16) | 21:22 |
| woglinde | javis I rather guess not with xephyr | 21:22 |
| EspadaV8 | GAN800: what repo is xchat in? | 21:22 |
| EspadaV8 | i can't see it in the app manager | 21:23 |
| Firebird | bah, I need to get myself a bios saver thingy, the good 486 board's bios is dead :( | 21:23 |
| Firebird | *478 | 21:24 |
| woglinde | firebird hm use coreboot? | 21:25 |
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| javispedro | woglinde: so, you think no one using the SDK is getting hw accel? | 21:26 |
| javispedro | why does the release notes make reference to "slowness using intel gma" then? :P | 21:27 |
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| Firebird | woglinde, thought that only worked on a very limited number of bios chips? | 21:28 |
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| * EspadaV8 lies | 21:33 | |
| EspadaV8 | i can see it now :) | 21:33 |
| woglinde | Firebird maybee you are lucky have such a chip | 21:34 |
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| EspadaV8_N900 | hello? | 21:35 |
| Shapeshifter | huh, there's a way to hw accellerate the SDK? | 21:35 |
| EspadaV8_N900 | yatta | 21:35 |
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| EspadaV8 | but now... on with some coding | 21:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | I wonder if it matters in terms of speed and battery consumption if I write in python instead of C. | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | for apps without much actual data processing. | 21:38 |
| woglinde | re javis | 21:38 |
| javispedro | re wog (just rebooted) | 21:38 |
| woglinde | ah | 21:38 |
| woglinde | why= | 21:38 |
| woglinde | just for fun? | 21:38 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: unlikely | 21:38 |
| javispedro | woglinde: maemo is sooo boring as a desktop operating system ;) , back to debian. | 21:39 |
| EspadaV8 | C might be _slightly_ better, but i doubt you'd be able to tell | 21:39 |
| woglinde | hm debian is no desktop system *g* | 21:39 |
| Shapeshifter | it's so much easier and quicker to write in python >.> | 21:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | and safer | 21:40 |
| EspadaV8 | safer? | 21:41 |
| timeless | anyone around | 21:42 |
| * qwerty12_N810 heralds the power of the mighty HildonButton | 21:42 | |
| timeless | i want to catch dinner w/ people | 21:42 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: less likely to leak, less likely to contain hidden bugs. | 21:42 |
| Shapeshifter | less likely to be evil | 21:42 |
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| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: ah, if it's that bad though, the OS should catch it and kill it | 21:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: well yeah, if it explodes. but I just hate it when I make stupid mistakes somewhere and then it just says "Segmentation faul* | 21:45 |
| Shapeshifter | *fault | 21:45 |
| EspadaV8 | ah, lol | 21:46 |
| EspadaV8 | i get that all the time :-D | 21:46 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 21:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | how do you people make password dialogs? new window, or a popup? but I haven't found a way of creating a pop up that contains two text entries and a checkbox (for "remeber") | 21:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | and the old password dialog is deprecated apparently. | 21:50 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: in python? | 21:50 |
| EspadaV8 | in my Qt app it 'just worked' | 21:50 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: no, C. but doesn't matter. in hildon ^^ | 21:50 |
| javispedro | Firebird: http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.4 : GLX and DRI passthrough for Xephyr. | 21:50 |
| * EspadaV8 hates saying that | 21:50 | |
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| javispedro | so as I guessed my Xephyr version is too old :( | 21:51 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: yeah but I mean, how - semantically - do you ask for it? pop up, window... | 21:51 |
| EspadaV8 | QDialog* popup; popup.show() | 21:51 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: and that's one of those that will pop up from the bottom in maemo5? | 21:51 |
| EspadaV8 | yeah | 21:51 |
| timeless | random pointers donn't support method calls | 21:51 |
| Firebird | javispedro, eh, doesn't work here, I have xorg-server 1.6 too | 21:52 |
| EspadaV8 | popup->show() | 21:52 |
| EspadaV8 | and there should be a = new QDialog() too | 21:52 |
| JosefAssad | anyone know how well maemo 5 does syncml? Got my own funambol server | 21:52 |
| EspadaV8 | but... whatever ;-) | 21:52 |
| javispedro | Firebird: too? I have r7.3 . | 21:52 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: i've find that everything i've written in Qt for the desktop worked on the n900 too | 21:52 |
| javispedro | (the wonders of debian stable) | 21:52 |
| Firebird | javispedro, was referencing that it says it has it in 1.5 | 21:53 |
| EspadaV8 | only minor change i had to make was the key code for the enter key | 21:53 |
| javispedro | Firebird: ah, Ic. | 21:53 |
| Firebird | wonder if its possible to hotflash a bios on a different machine once its booted into dos | 21:54 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: yeah but, does it look lke proper hildon | 21:54 |
| javispedro | Firebird: did you try stupid cmd line args launching xephyr, like "+extension GLX" or "-accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer" ? | 21:54 |
| Firebird | yea | 21:54 |
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| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: mhmm | 21:54 |
| EspadaV8 | except i use a custom stylesheet in my app | 21:55 |
| Firebird | javispedro, -accel isn't an option | 21:55 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: if you're writing a new app, it'd strongly recommend using Qt | 21:55 |
| javispedro | :P | 21:55 |
| EspadaV8 | it's a really nice framework | 21:55 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: sure, I like Qt. I also like python! But now I'm writing a small app in C and gtk+ to learn something new ;) | 21:56 |
| EspadaV8 | ahh | 21:56 |
| Shapeshifter | qt is win | 21:56 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 21:56 |
| * EspadaV8 backs away from Gtk | 21:56 | |
| Firebird | hopefully I don't die from inhaling all this dust from this abandoned old hardware | 21:56 |
| Macer | screw python | 21:57 |
| Macer | i hope the developer of python dies a horrible death and rots eternally in hell | 21:57 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah okay. | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Firebird: Lol, I breathed in a shitton when I used an old computer from ~2000 to softmod an old xbox from ~2002... | 21:58 |
| Shapeshifter | anyway, does anyone know how to combine text entries and a checkbox in a pop up? | 21:58 |
| Shapeshifter | if I just make a GtkDialog, will that look properly in hildon? | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | no | 22:00 |
| Shapeshifter | I guess so, as the WM should do it. | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | GTK sucks | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | WM doesn't do anything with dialogs | 22:00 |
| Shapeshifter | why not? since when... | 22:00 |
| Shapeshifter | _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE(ATOM) = _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DIALOG | 22:01 |
| Shapeshifter | on a zenity dialog | 22:01 |
| Shapeshifter | the WM should recognize dialogs thanks to NET_WM | 22:02 |
| Shapeshifter | so, matchbox *could* recognize these and show them as popups from below as the others | 22:02 |
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| javispedro | Shapeshifter: GtkDialog is in fact the preffered way to do dialogs. | 22:03 |
| javispedro | HildonDialog was deprecated iirc. | 22:03 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: yes it is. okay, I'll use that. So it *will* show up properly? I mean, popping up from below and all that | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: no, Qt1 | 22:04 |
| luke-jr | Qt! | 22:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah we all love Qt. | 22:04 |
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| javispedro | Qt is still in the making. I don't know if the shipped version has any of the gimmicks. | 22:04 |
| javispedro | BlessedQtMaemo I mean | 22:04 |
| woglinde | javis ???? | 22:05 |
| javispedro | woglinde: I mean I don't know if the qt 4.5 as shipped on the device is 100% integrated with the hildon style. | 22:06 |
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| javispedro | and that the one demoed was qt 4.6, which is 2010. | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: There's a nice flamewar that sums that up... | 22:06 |
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| EspadaV8 | woohoo :-) | 22:07 |
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| EspadaV8 | i haev a group listing | 22:07 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: of course it'll "popup correctly" since that's what the rest of apps use. | 22:07 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: okay. I thought I had to use some hildon thing. But essentially, this works because of matchbox, doesn't it? | 22:08 |
| EspadaV8 | soon... Qt will take over the world ;-) | 22:08 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, matchbox recognizes that the dialog _is_ a dialog. | 22:08 |
| Shapeshifter | there's nothing special about the gtk or anything. | 22:08 |
| EspadaV8 | i'm trying to get people at the office to switch to Qt | 22:09 |
| EspadaV8 | k, time to test this on the device | 22:09 |
| javispedro | Think so. At least bare GTK apps' dialogs "popup correctly". | 22:09 |
| EspadaV8 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application | 22:11 |
| EspadaV8 | :'( | 22:11 |
| * EspadaV8 isn't looking forward to that | 22:11 | |
| Shapeshifter | debian packaging is annoying anyway. | 22:12 |
| * Shapeshifter opts for switching to pacman for packaging! ^^ | 22:13 | |
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| EspadaV8 | i've never created a package for anything before | 22:14 |
| EspadaV8 | pacman? arch? | 22:14 |
| EspadaV8 | are they easy to do? | 22:14 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah. | 22:14 |
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| b-man16 | happy b-day qwerty12_N810 :) | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thank you, b-man16 :) | 22:16 |
| * b-man16 is 17 tomorrow xD | 22:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, is qwerty12_N810 18?! | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 17 | 22:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, congrats! | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks :) | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ceron^, nope, but I can take one. | 22:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, how do I change tabs in irssi with osso-xterm? | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | b-man16: Be sure to change your nick :p | 22:19 |
| Ceron^ | GeneralAntilles: thx | 22:19 |
| b-man16 | qwerty12_N810: will do ;) | 22:19 |
| Ceron^ | GeneralAntilles: i would want a screenshot of irssi @ this channel + mail for exchange in use | 22:19 |
| Ceron^ | if possible :) | 22:20 |
| Ceron^ | would be very greatful ;D | 22:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, qwerty12_N810, can I add alt to the osso-xterm bar? | 22:20 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: you should change yours too. congrats :) | 22:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Alt_L should do it, but I don't think it'll hold :/ | 22:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Hehe, I've been using this one for years now. :p Thanks :) | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time to generate scrollback. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid weird irssi bugs. | 22:22 |
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| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, does /window <number> work? | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably | 22:23 |
| * EspadaV8 sigs | 22:23 | |
| EspadaV8 | compiles seem to take longer and longer the more i add :( | 22:24 |
| EspadaV8 | ;) | 22:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ceron^, don't have any Exchange server to test with. | 22:25 |
| Ceron^ | oki :P | 22:25 |
| Ceron^ | i would have wanted a review how good mail of exchange works on the phone | 22:25 |
| Ceron^ | because il be using it as a company phone | 22:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3998977930/ | 22:26 |
| b-man16 | nice :) | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ceron^, I only use irssi as a proxy so it's in its ugly default config. ;) | 22:27 |
| Ceron^ | its ok | 22:27 |
| Ceron^ | i want to see it anyway | 22:27 |
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| zemm | GeneralAntilles: also ^n ^p to change windows | 22:28 |
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| GAN800 | Ah | 22:31 |
| Firebird | woa, when did that happen... Debian 5.0 | 22:31 |
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| wao | \o/ | 22:36 |
| zerojay_N900 | just went hunting for a video out cable. | 22:36 |
| Ceron^ | o | 22:37 |
| Ceron^ | didnt the package include one | 22:37 |
| zerojay_N900 | phone store guy flipped out when he saw my n900. | 22:37 |
| Ceron^ | zerojay_N900: lol :D | 22:37 |
| zerojay_N900 | i didn't get a package. | 22:37 |
| Firebird | does the video out go through the 3.5mm jack? | 22:37 |
| Ceron^ | yeh | 22:37 |
| zerojay_N900 | yes. | 22:37 |
| Ceron^ | i got one of those cables | 22:37 |
| Firebird | In that case, I already have one of those cables | 22:37 |
| Ceron^ | zerojay_N900: if you live in finland il lend you it | 22:37 |
| Ceron^ | :D | 22:37 |
| zerojay_N900 | i don't. | 22:38 |
| zerojay_N900 | has to be a nokia video out cable. | 22:38 |
| Ceron^ | its the same cable | 22:38 |
| zerojay_N900 | others won't work. | 22:38 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, and? :P | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK | zerojay: flipped out :-) | 22:38 |
| Ceron^ | its identical to the nokia one | 22:38 |
| Firebird | really, hm, might as well try if I ever get a N900 :D | 22:38 |
| Ceron^ | what did the phone store guy do | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK | nokia uses the same vide out cable for a few other phones too | 22:39 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, that's only half a story. :P | 22:39 |
| EspadaV8 | :( | 22:39 |
| zerojay_N900 | no cable... but made a groupie for life. | 22:40 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: getting one of those segfaults now :( | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 22:40 |
| zerojay_N900 | aw shit. | 22:40 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: must be fun. | 22:40 |
| zerojay_N900 | he's following me around the mall. | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Make sure that the guy isn't following you home... | 22:41 |
| zerojay_N900 | gtg | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hah. | 22:41 |
| Firebird | really? | 22:41 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: ph yeah, great fun :-S | 22:41 |
| * GAN800 is a in crash city. | 22:41 | |
| GAN800 | lol | 22:41 |
| GAN800 | zerojay's gonna end up dead in the changing rooms at the GAP | 22:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: If you've never felt the urge to buy a weapon before... | 22:44 |
| Ceron^ | lol | 22:45 |
| Ceron^ | the phone store guy is going to mess him up! | 22:45 |
| GAN800 | Why the hell does the spacebar scroll more than one page? <_< | 22:45 |
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| GAN800 | Oh, and happy birthday, qwerty12. :P | 22:46 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Thank you, once again :p | 22:47 |
| GAN800 | Oh, and happy birthday, qwerty12. :P | 22:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Thank you, once again :p | 22:47 |
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| GAN800 | GOdd | 22:48 |
| GAN800 | I didn't say happy birthday earlier, did I? | 22:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You said "Congrats" | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I did, didn't I. | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, well, 3 is better than 1. :P | 22:48 |
| zerojay_N900 | fuck fuck fuck | 22:48 |
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| * GeneralAntilles has oldtimers. | 22:48 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 22:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay_N900, call mall security? | 22:49 |
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| zerojay_N900 | ducked into the dog show. | 22:49 |
| zerojay_N900 | he was yelling out questions. | 22:49 |
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| zerojay_N900 | how much ram?!? | 22:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's so weird. | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | wtf | 22:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell follows somebody around a mall asking about specs? | 22:50 |
| zerojay_N900 | phone store dudes i guess. | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Especially when the specs are on the website. <_< | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | aren't those specs on the site | 22:50 |
| zerojay_N900 | yes! | 22:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Hmm, I'll kill him and take his N900 if RAM > 256MB" | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay_N900, take off your pacman hat. It'll reduce your visibility. :P | 22:50 |
| zerojay_N900 | lol | 22:50 |
| * timeless ends up somewhere expensive for dinner | 22:50 | |
| zerojay_N900 | bastard. | 22:50 |
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| zerojay_N900 | on a bus going home now. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't look behind you! | 22:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Or the window beside you! | 22:51 |
| zerojay_N900 | unless he's the t1000, im safe. | 22:51 |
| microlith | close encounters of the nerd kind I suppose | 22:51 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless: I fear I said this before; Visit "snackbar bird" near the red light district. superb thai food for cheap. | 22:51 |
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| zerojay_N900 | oh hey, open link in mauku works now. | 22:52 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone know how to align hildon_captions? hildon_caption_set_label_alignment () takes a float. don't get it... | 22:52 |
| Ceron^ | btw is there support in xterm to open http links | 22:53 |
| Ceron^ | in n900 | 22:53 |
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| Ceron^ | so i can open links from irssi inside n900 | 22:53 |
| zerojay_N900 | dunno. | 22:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | how sensitive - compared to other devices - is the n810 wifi? | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | in terms of range | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ceron^: mh28 has it | 22:53 |
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| Ceron^ | qwerty12_N810: mh28?? | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ceron^: Osso-xterm build | 22:54 |
| Ceron^ | isee | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm using a later one because I hacked it a little and needed to test it... | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | Hope someone's porting xrvt-unicode to maemo | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | shouldn't be hard. | 22:54 |
| zerojay_N900 | what do we have? | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mh25 is the one with 39-9 | 22:54 |
| zerojay_N900 | ok | 22:55 |
| EspadaV8 | .... is there a timer app on the 900? | 22:55 |
| EspadaV8 | or am i just blind | 22:55 |
| EspadaV8 | the clock only seems to have alarms | 22:56 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: time cat | 22:56 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 22:56 |
| EspadaV8 | :( beep not found | 22:57 |
| EspadaV8 | sleep( 60 ) ; beep | 22:57 |
| zerojay_N900 | i wanna time cat. | 22:57 |
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| GAN800 | meow | 22:58 |
| * qwerty12_N810 calls the (R)SPCA, cats shouldn't be in #maemo. What sort of abuse is this?! | 22:59 | |
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| Meiz_n810 | why are people's connections timing out? ... | 23:00 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It was due to GeneralAntilles being a cat | 23:01 |
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| sp3000 | catastrophic, that | 23:02 |
| sp3000 | but yeah a fast entry timer ui would be nice | 23:03 |
| * sp3000 only has things on the back of an envelope ;) | 23:03 | |
| GAN800 | Applet? | 23:03 |
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| GAN800 | Somebody go poke fiferboy. | 23:03 |
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| EspadaV8 | woo | 23:05 |
| EspadaV8 | it sends messages now :-) | 23:05 |
| EspadaV8 | and now, time to cook the lamb chops | 23:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/maemocreds.png I find the checkbox looks a bit weird. any ideas on how to do this more nicely? | 23:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Shapeshifter: HILDON_SIZE_FINGER_HEIGHT, IMHO, looks better for a checkbox: http://qwerty12.qole.org/Screenshot-20091010-211402.png | 23:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | qwerty12_N810: ah yes, it does. thanks. | 23:17 |
| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: what you coding? | 23:18 |
| microlith | ooh, xchat :D | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 23:19 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: just a small tool which members of our club can use to open the door and do stuff in our student lounge. we have everything wired up ;) http://stuff.moritzg.ch/maemolounge3.png | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | happy birthday qwerty12_N810 | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks, Stskeeps :) | 23:19 |
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| EspadaV8 | Shapeshifter: oooh | 23:21 |
| EspadaV8 | looks cool | 23:21 |
| EspadaV8 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/43171128@N07/3998353471/ | 23:22 |
| EspadaV8 | :-) | 23:22 |
| EspadaV8 | the splitter widgets in Qt on maemo don't work too well :( | 23:23 |
| Shapeshifter | EspadaV8: it tells me to log in. I don't have a flicker account. | 23:23 |
| Shapeshifter | oh wait, I have a yahoo id... | 23:23 |
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| EspadaV8 | grrr | 23:23 |
| EspadaV8 | one sec | 23:23 |
| EspadaV8 | i thought i set them all to public | 23:23 |
| EspadaV8 | try again Shapeshifter | 23:24 |
| Shapeshifter | thanks. looks nice. I guess it would be useful if it was possible to toggle the display of the two things to the right and left | 23:24 |
| Shapeshifter | so that only the chat is visible at most times | 23:24 |
| EspadaV8 | yeah | 23:25 |
| EspadaV8 | they're meant to be resizable | 23:25 |
| EspadaV8 | to you can hide them if you like | 23:25 |
| EspadaV8 | only it doesn't work too reliably :( | 23:26 |
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| EspadaV8 | i'll add a 'proper' setting for it so you can disable them completely | 23:26 |
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| b-man16 | gah, syntax errors an miss-spelling in the example code on http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide is giving me a headache XP | 23:30 |
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| lopz | how can I move the windows on the n800? | 23:41 |
| lopz | I modified some files for some time but can not remember which, I want the NON-modal windows. | 23:41 |
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| cvandonderen_ | hi | 23:50 |
| b-man16 | hello | 23:51 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ7LOc3XPb4#t=5m3s oh the irony | 23:51 |
| b-man16 | heh | 23:52 |
| cvandonderen_ | where can I find the control files for packages? | 23:52 |
| cvandonderen_ | I want to package libqt4-4.6 | 23:52 |
| wiretapped | hey, fellow future t-mobile customers, check this out: | 23:54 |
| wiretapped | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/10/t-mobile-we-probably-lost-all-your-sidekick-data/ | 23:54 |
| b-man16 | cvandondern_: it is in the ./debain directory | 23:54 |
| cvandonderen_ | b-man16: so then I first need to download a deb for the previous version? | 23:55 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eCwZE-RMA | 23:57 |
| Shapeshifter | If I use a GtkDialog, I don't understand how to pass the response id in a callback. E.g. I do this: g_signal_connect (creds_dialog, "response", G_CALLBACK (do_something_depending_on_response_id), NULL); | 23:57 |
| b-man16 | cvandondern_: if you want to build the package, i highly suggest downloading the source (tar.gz) and install dpkg-dev/use dpkg-buildpackage to build the package ;) | 23:57 |
| Shapeshifter | how do I pass the response id to the callback? well, in DATA, but how do I get it from the signal? | 23:57 |
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| b-man16 | and use dch-i to update the changelog | 23:57 |
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| cvandonderen_ | b-man16: it is still compiling... but will it then automatically create all the different sub-packages? | 23:58 |
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| cvandonderen_ | or do I have to do all of that manually | 23:58 |
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| b-man16 | cvandondern_: it should | 23:59 |
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