IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-10-10

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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, ready for your talks? ;)00:03
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: did one today00:05
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GeneralAntillesWent well?00:06
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, see if you can get somebody to figure out xmodmap.00:15
GeneralAntillesIt's not participating for me here.00:15
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* zerojay yawwwwwns.00:43
* GeneralAntilles stabs xmodmap.00:43
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* GeneralAntilles bleeds out.00:44
GeneralAntillesAnything I try to change with xmodmap seems to die.00:44
GeneralAntillesWhat the hell did Nokia do?00:44
zerojayqwerty12_N810: I'm going to have to give the source for my wallpapers package if I want it in Extras, apparently. I ended up just manually creating the .deb though. :/00:45
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zerojaySo I'm not exactly sure what to give them. :)00:46
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Once I have the source for the package... what do I do to get it into extras-testing/extras-devel?00:46
GeneralAntillesThrow it at the builder00:47
GeneralAntillesUsing dput or the Extras assistant.00:47
qwerty12_N810zerojay: The point is to just use the source package given; grab the tar.gz, fill up the data folder with your backgrounds, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot for a deb :p00:47
zerojayqwerty12_N810: Yeah, the problem is I can't run anything having to do with dpkg.00:47
zerojayI guess I'll just have to reinstall the SDK.00:47
qwerty12_N810Ah, I thought you still had it installed00:48
zerojayI did.00:48
* frals bashes his head against the lack of documentation on sms handling in fremantle00:48
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zerojayAnd sometime between now and the last time I ran it a few weeks ago... something got fucked up, I guess. I can't login to scratchbox anymore.00:48
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* qwerty12_N810 wonders what was done to osso-chess-ui for Nokia to close-source it in Fremantle00:49
zerojayThey did?00:49
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javispedroosso-chess-ui was open source?00:49
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GeneralAntillesDo I need to do something different to get another level with fn+shift+00:50
zerojayqwerty12_N810: By the way, glad you liked Streets of Rage. I was checking the IRC log for #maemo at work when I came across what you said. :)00:50
qwerty12_N810javispedro, zerojay: The Diablo one is open, the Fremantle one is not00:50
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javispedroI even have source code for a osso-games-startup plugin.00:50
javispedrohere, readily available at my own fingers!00:51
* javispedro is stuuupid.00:51
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qwerty12_N810zerojay: Thanks, I've been wanting one for ages :)00:51
zerojayI had to make it taller, so I made the middle area larger.00:51
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* qwerty12_N810 needs to find a way to run XChat in college... probably result in my ass getting banned, but I'ma #maemo addict00:52
zerojayBest thing about classic games is that everything's based on tiles, so you can throw a grid on the image and copy and paste tiles.00:52
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ShadowJK_qwerty12_N810, xchat on n900? ;-)00:53
qwerty12_N810ShadowJK_: I don't know the College's WEP (Yes, WEP) key :/00:53
SpeedEvilWEP. Lollerskates.00:53
zerojayAnything on how to uninstall the current beta2 SDK?00:54
javispedroat least it's not unusable-without-my-plugin eduroam wpa2 with pap auth.00:54
fralsthank god my university is using peap-mschapv2 on eduroam00:55
qwerty12_N810I guess it would be a nice opportunity to see if packet injection works on it...00:55
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qwerty12_N810javispedro: Oh, do you have the osso-games-startup source code at hand?00:56
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javispedrofor nearly any version you want.00:57
javispedroso shoot.00:57
* GeneralAntilles stabs xmodmap again.00:57
ShadowJK_n900 has gprs, wcdma and hspa though ;D00:57
javispedro(diablo, fremantle beta2, fremantle final...)00:57
qwerty12_N810javispedro: Open src/startup_gamemanager.c and look at the retardiness that is game_mime_open()00:57
qwerty12_N810ShadowJK_: Not on a contract... I had 60p taken out and I was connected to GPRS for 0 seconds...00:58
* javispedro looks at someone using GConf as a lock, something which is usually frowned upon.00:58
qwerty12_N810javispedro: The applets do it all the time00:59
javispedroI guess that means "welcome to maemo" again :)00:59
qwerty12_N810Look at the applet_active boolean keys in GConf00:59
javispedrowell, active is one. "IN_PROGRESS" sounds like a more intense lock.00:59
qwerty12_N810Maybe because it's easy to watch for changes01:00
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javispedroso the plugin never gets the filename unless it looks at the gconf key in the MA_LOAD_MIME "callback".01:01
GeneralAntillesxmodmap is loading the map weird01:01
javispedroat least it takes care of setting game state to running. Currently I do this in drnoksnes by a nice hackely way.01:01
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GeneralAntillesOK, somebody look at this:
qwerty12_N810It takes care of setting Chess' game state to running...01:02
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javispedronah, unless it boots the chess game (which would suck)01:02
qwerty12_N810Err, yeah, you're right01:02
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javispedrow.t.f. then.01:03
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qwerty12_N810osso-games-startup is totally for stock/INDT games only. The functions are written, and hardcoded, for a certain game that happens to be needing it :)01:04
javispedroand chess is the only one using save files.01:04
qwerty12_N810I wanna see javispedro-game-startup, a saner version01:05
javispedroit was forked from maemo-games-startup why ago, and I've been already thinking quite a few times about reviving the orig version (which even had multiplayer)01:05
javispedros/why/quite a while01:05
javispedroof course, nokia couldn't care less since they don't plan to use it for anything, and I doubt anybody would "port" it to Qt.01:06
* GeneralAntilles gives up.01:06
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javispedrowell, so far, I think something could be done out of it.01:09
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javispedrowithout any time consuming forks.01:09
javispedroHopefully nobody will  play Chess and DrNokSnes at the same time :)01:10
* zerojay raises hand.01:10
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qwerty12_N810Make DrNokSnes kill Chess :p01:10
zerojayI had chess, marbles, the other two built-in games, Bounce, DrNokSNES and every other app running at the same time. :)01:10
zerojay39 total.01:11
qwerty12_N810lol, I still haven't grasped multitasking: most programs I've had open on here has been 4 :)01:11
javispedrowell, don't complain when drnoksnes gets confused and writes your chess game in PGN all over the emulated RAM.01:11
qwerty12_N810Well, "heavy-duty" multitasking01:12
zerojayI deleted the picture at Quim's request... time to take a new one, I guess. :P01:12
GeneralAntillesAh, Talk.01:12
GeneralAntillesRehashing the same tired arguments over and over and over.01:12
javispedronow that the Transmission thread has been revived I can't wait for "OMG I CAN RUN TRAMSSIONSOENS ON THIS THING !! ONE ONE"01:13
Stskeepsjavispedro: saw drnoksnes was featured by a nokian on summit?01:13
javispedrowas it tim with zeemote?01:13
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Stskeepsno, product manager01:14
zerojayPM for a project that isn't his. ;)01:14
javispedroheh :)01:14
Stskeepsah no01:15
qwerty12_N810So, really, javispedro has been working in his' basement01:15
Stskeepslinux foundation guy01:15
javispedroqwerty12_N810: yes, unfortunately some people would frown If they find me playing Kirby's Dream Course in UNI ;)01:15
qwerty12_N810I'd frown at anyone playing any Kirby game, anywhere01:16
GeneralAntillesSo, who's going to analyze my pastebin? :P01:16
* Stskeeps is really looking forward to GLES on n8x001:16
javispedrolast time I touched Xmodmap I nearly ended ditching up GNU/Linux.01:17
GeneralAntillesWhat are my alternatives? :P01:17
GeneralAntillesIt seems to ignore changes to the symbols file.01:17
javispedroI still have a Xsessionerrors file that grows a few megabytes every logon.01:17
* javispedro needs to upgrade^W mkfs and install Squeezy some day01:18
qwerty12_N810"I hate javispedro. Print 20 ASCII goatses"01:18
GeneralAntillesC'mon, qwerty12_N810, you must want tab too. :P01:18
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: I still use XChat from my N810 :p01:19
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javispedrobecause he made the N900 an appendix of his own body, and now he can't take the device out of him.01:19
zerojayI know I can't.01:19
qwerty12_N810...and the N900 has no ¥ key I can replace with Tab :/01:20
zerojayFeel like a fucking crack addict.01:20
GAN800_You're all freaking useless.01:20
zerojaySo glad I only have to give it back after a year.01:20
javispedrowhy I feel that way too when they ask me "what do you use that thing for again?"01:20
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Think they'll accept my N800 instead? :/01:20
microlithanyone know if there's a listing of packages that will be in the maemo 5 repository on release?01:20
javispedroif only I could say "life-support".01:21
zerojaymicrolith: Why don't you just check out the repository yourself on release day?01:21
qwerty12_N810GAN800_: We are Maemo.01:21
zerojaymicrolith: Or even... no.01:21
zerojayWith the karma system in place, it's hard to predict, honestly.01:21
javispedrogo vote fms' apps, I want my GBA emulator damnit.01:22
zerojayYeah, no kidding.01:22
* javispedro is decent enough not to vote for it, cause he STILL Doesn't have an N900.01:22
qwerty12_N810What happened to GTA: N900?01:22
javispedronot enough karma.01:22
qwerty12_N810Bulldozer gave up?01:23
javispedroit reincarnated into a iphone game because of low karma.01:23
zerojayqwerty12_N810: lol, wha...?01:23
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, you have backspace, enter, all of the arrow keys, fn-shift on the whole keyboard.01:23
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, as soon as somebody can get it working there's lots of keys to bind.01:23
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Mine and javispedro's plan to steal lcuk's N900 :p01:23
* javispedro didn't know the plan either.01:24
javispedrobut it looks good enough.01:24
javispedroeven tho I have a better plan now.01:24
javispedroget a "n900-loan" and then spent siz months trying to reverse engineer it and make a similar device, then return the similar shit device instead.01:25
zerojayGlad you're being productive. :)01:25
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qwerty12_N810javispedro: OpenPandoraClone?01:26
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javispedroI said six months, not eternity, damnit.01:26
qwerty12_N810You also said "similar shit device"01:26
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javispedroI wonder if someone has a copy of the Jim's slide about DrNokSnes?01:31
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javispedroor video...01:32
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zerojayTonight on Unsolved Mysteries... what the fuck is wrong with the average Talk user?01:54
zerojayUPDATE - for Maemo 5 users.01:55
zerojay4 new panoramic wallpapers added.01:55
GeneralAntilleslots and lots is wrong01:55
qwerty12_N810yay, thanks zerojay01:55
GeneralAntillesThis is what happens when you sequester all of the normal people away in a foreign country.01:55
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fralsbet theyve all spent the times since the announcement of n900 reading the MMS spec01:56
javispedrothey've gone insane.01:56
javispedroINSANE! INSANE!01:56
* frals bashes head against the desk and goes to bed01:56
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zerojayMMS is for pussies.01:57
zerojayReal men use smoke signals.01:57
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ShadowJK_it's funny how n900 declares 3g video calls obsolete before they've taken off02:00
GeneralAntillesConsidering they want to charge $15 a month for the privilege. . . .02:01
zerojayUh.. it does?02:01
ShadowJK_well it doesn't "declare", it's in same category as mms02:01
GeneralAntillesI don't know a single person who's ever used it.02:01
GeneralAntillesI doubt that'll change in the next year.02:01
zerojaySame here.02:02
zerojayDinner time.02:02
ShadowJK_i think on package contracts here it gets included in minutes02:02
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GeneralAntillesAh, crap, forgot to take a picture of my spaghetti.02:04
rmtMMS - because otherwise people have to send your pictures of their penises or tits in a mirror by email..02:06
* rmt went through a lot of MMSs when there was a security issue at a telco in Oz .. about 50% was exactly that .. and for all the women out there, your pictures of tits in a mirror are always forwarded to your boyfriends friends, but don't let that put you off.02:09
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SpeedEvilAnd any telco people investigating 'security' issues.02:11
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lcukx41hey ho maemo o\02:21
lcukx41o/ even02:21
qwerty12_N810javispedro: osso_rpc_set_cb_f() appears to be called after load_plugin(), so trying to get the value of the GConf key doesn't get me the value for the latest file to be opened, and my cb set with osso_mime_set_cb (osso_rpc_set_cb_f(), unfortunatly, not being available) doesn't ever get called :/02:22
qwerty12_N810lcukx41: hi, how's De Wallen?02:23
javispedrohello lcuk02:23
javispedroqwerty12_N810: so, the problem you're trying to solve now is what happens if you double tap on a file when the gui is already up?02:23
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lcukx41hi qwerty12_N810 i tried but the nice ladies told me to send you over instead02:24
lcukx41hiya javispedro02:24
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qwerty12_N810javispedro: I can't even get it working when it's not running...02:24
qwerty12_N810lcukx41: Nonsense!02:25
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lcukx41they did, either they were covered up through the cold, or i was in the wrong end of town02:25
javispedrofor that I'd write some MA_MIME_OPEN callback code, look at the chess gconf key, know i've just been opened, and just select that rom file.02:25
lcukx41Mek, ahhh you are here02:26
lcukx41does your irc ever go off02:26
Mek:) no, it doesn't02:26
lcukx41qwerty12_N810 i had a lovely cup of coffee tho02:26
qwerty12_N810javispedro: I haven't the slightest on how o-g-s works, it's already pissing me off02:26
qwerty12_N810lcukx41: heh02:26
javispedrothen don't worry, that's on my todo list after all.02:27
lcukx41how are you javis02:27
javispedrodoing fine :) u? :)02:27
lcukx41am a little bit stressed02:27
lcukx41tis ok tho02:28
qwerty12_N810javispedro: Cool, I will steal your eventual code and send you a SNES ROM of your choice to say thanks02:28
lcukx41mek is gonna fight off the zombies02:28
lcukx41and let me finish my code in time02:28
lcukx41only 1 hours to get it working :|02:28
javispedroqwerty12_N810: $REFERENCE_TO_QWERTY'S_EVILNESS02:28
javispedroeither way, "better grab a chair" :)02:29
qwerty12_N810Evilness? Me? I'm all cream and peaches02:29
javispedrofight off the zombies?02:29
javispedroyou have vampires and zombies in that maesum? pretty complete.02:30
qwerty12_N810Mek: Oh, do you smoke too? :p02:30
Mekqwerty12_N810: no, I don't02:30
lcukx41javispedro, the first night was like something out of a horror thriller02:31
lcukx41it was horrid deep strong rain02:31
qwerty12_N810Mek: Ah, I was imagining lcuk smoking in the room02:31
lcukx41and i was wandering completely alone in a strange city soaking wet trying to get a fix02:31
lcukx41on the gps02:32
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lcukx41and a big tram came screeching ast02:32
javispedroah, yes, that echoes my first trip to München too.02:32
lcukx41and the electric lines arced and sparked02:32
lcukx41and i jumped about 10foot02:32
lcukx41and outside this bloody window is a strange alien woman02:33
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qwerty12_N810You were in the Blue Light District?02:33
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lcukx41i saw red and green02:34
lcukx41blue lights are the tech crowd who can buy cool gadgets?02:34
qwerty12_N810I thought blue lights were associated with alien abductions02:35
qwerty12_N810Then again, they wouldn't take their own kind02:35
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MaceTBfinally found out why the damn touchbook network manager was messed up02:37
MaceTBwas a bad python script02:37
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lcukx41qwerty12_N810, heh.02:38
* lcukx41 goes back to hacking. 02:38
MaceTBthis touchbook is pretty awesome once you fix a couple things on it02:38
MaceTBeven though i was expecting the omap3 to be a tad bit quicker02:39
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ShadowJK_same cpu as N900 basically :)02:40
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MaceTBwith more to do than an n90002:44
MaceTBhigher res on the gpu i suppose02:44
MaceTBa lot of the pkgs seem to be made for an omap2.. would that make a difference?02:45
MaceTBi mean ddi they add new omap3 instructions to make it faster?02:45
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ShadowJK_I suspect instruction scheduling might give more benefit than new instructions02:48
ShadowJK_gcc is crap at NEON type things anyway :)02:48
MaceTBi was just curious because most of theh pkgs are for an older arm02:49
MaceTBthey are bin pkgs02:49
MaceTBwhere's luke-jr when you need him ? :)02:49
MaceTB"use gentoo and waste half your life"02:49
luke-jrGentoo wastes nothing much really02:50
luke-jrmy N810 upgrades when I'm using my desktop02:50
luke-jrhey, xorg-server 1.7.0 built02:51
luke-jrnow Fn should work!02:51
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MaceTBfn key!!!02:54
MaceTBi haven't used my n810 since i got the touchbook02:55
MaceTBwhich is just more so like a laptop than anything else02:55
GeneralAntillesMacer, you need an N900.02:58
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luke-jrMacer doesn't need anything02:59
luke-jrhe has a ton of devices02:59
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crashanddiefor anyone who cares03:09
crashanddiei'm off to bed, bye03:09
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lmourais anyone having problems to checkout from garage's svn?03:10
lmouraI'm getting svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/pymaemo/!svn/vcc/default'03:10
lmourasvn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error03:10
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crashanddielmoura: that looks like it's the client complaining03:12
lmouracrashanddie, somehow it started working again03:14
GAN800Hate you, crashanddie.03:16
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zerojayGAN800: Just going down the checklist, eh? lol03:17
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zerojayjavispedro: The guy behind wants to know if he can collaborate with you on autogenerating .debs for wallpapers.03:18
zerojayHe just doesn't know it yet.03:18
javispedroactually, I'm generating src pkgs here already.03:19
zerojayOh nice.03:20
javispedroit's an easy job so far since I assume the server has the usual debian tools... just a matter of sanitizing input (heh), filling in appropiate templates and calling dpkg-source.03:20
zerojayAnd the resulting source can be upped to maemo extras then?03:20
javispedrolemme see if I can get it to build a sample one.03:21
zerojayGreat. Feel free to use my wallpapers for tests or whatever. I want them in ASAP.03:21
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zerojayI said that I ran 39 apps at the same time on my N900 on Twitter and I get back a reply that some guy had 50 running on his N95.03:26
zerojayDon't make me laugh. Mine would start shitting itself with three.03:26
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lmouraand now is the wiki down?03:27
lmouraI mean a postgre error03:28
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sp3000ah, garage says it's having a maint break03:32
sp3000perhaps that explains why I can't login to the general sire03:32
sp3000site even03:32
GAN800zerojay, what 'apps'? ;)03:35
* GeneralAntilles wonders when these people decided that it was fun to show up unannounced.03:38
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GeneralAntilleslmoura, pieces of seem to be falling off this week.03:43
GeneralAntillesNot great considering the amount of press. <_<03:43
Firebirdwoa, the site changed03:44
GeneralAntillesSince when?03:45
GeneralAntillesAh, indeed.03:45
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FirebirdGeneralAntilles, when you hit fullscreen on the browser, there are no transitions on the top and bottom bars right?03:49
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MaceTBthe n900 will come out soon.. and 2 years later tmob will be selling it03:50
GeneralAntillesFirebird, right.03:50
Firebirdah, the flash demo says otherwise on maemo.nokia03:51
* GeneralAntilles is a few versions behind.03:51
Firebirdhm, why in the world does the portrait mode dialer have letters03:51
GeneralAntillesCould've changed, or could be changing for the final.03:51
GeneralAntillesWhy wouldn't it have letters?03:51
GeneralAntillesMy 5800 dialer doesn't have letters03:51
GeneralAntillesIt pisses me off so much03:51
GeneralAntillesMeans I have to do a Google image search to figure out the letters.03:52
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FirebirdI would imagine phone numbers are numerical and that the letter positions would be stored in your head03:52
zerojayThe letters need to be there.03:53
MaceTBwtf is up with this whole cancer side story in law and order03:53
MaceTBi don't want to see some bitch crying about her cervical cancer03:53
zerojayGeneralAntilles: We gotta get some of the guys there to send us the updated firmware and Q3. :)03:54
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Firebirdzerojay, its not over the air yet?03:55
zerojayNot until release, anyways.03:55
zerojayThough that may have changed today.03:56
zerojayWe had to flash both the firmware and the emmc.03:56
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zerojayWhich end users will never need to do, generally speaking.03:56
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Firebirdah, on the side note oh look, a 48GB microSD:
* SpeedEvil can tell by the pixels.03:57
zerojayI've got 48GB total on my N900.03:57
zerojay32GB internal + 16GB microSD.03:57
Firebirdthey seem to be suggesting you can get up to 80GB there with the image03:57
SpeedEvilNever attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by a marketing monkey that knows photoshop.03:58
zerojayWell, the max they are claiming is 48GB... so I think the image was just made to say "total memory".. but who knows.03:58
GAN800zerojay, I don't want anything from them. They all suck. :P04:01
* Firebird wonders how to get the transparent top bar effect like in ovi maps04:02
javispedroeven though i'm not sure if I can keep generating binary packages (i wouldn't like my ISP to see "dpkg-buildpackage" high on their CPU usage logs ;P)04:03
zerojayGood shit though.04:04
ShadowJK_I think people outside of the US have no idea why there are letters on the dialer :)04:04
ShadowJK_they'd probably think it's for some unfinished sms-portrait support04:05
jaskathe yanks have something like 1-800-DIAL-GOD style numbers?04:05
Firebirdwell, I'm in the US, but have never dialed a number with letters in it04:06
zerojayNot people though.04:06
zerojayFirebird: REALLY?04:06
Firebirdyes, really04:06
Firebirdif I ever encounter one, I just convert it on the spot, not on the phone04:06
GAN800What about computers that want me to spell things over the phone.04:06
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Firebirdjavispedro, did you ever make any progress on an animated OGL test04:08
javispedroI did not try, but I know there quite a few people with things in the making right now04:08
Firebirdah, I started porting SDL1.3 with OGLES this afternoon, was wondering how the performance was04:09
javispedrofrom pandora or upstream?04:09
javispedroif upstream, get my sample to get some of the egl parameters.04:09
Firebirdthe upstream one from github04:09
javispedroelse the device does weird things.04:09
ShadowJK_GAN800, those don't exist outside US (and other?) countries that have letters on dialpad :)04:10
ShadowJK_They actually  tried to introduce it here once. Gave out free stickers and all. People were mostly "wtf I don't want to put stupid stickers on my phone's keys"04:10
javispedroFirebird: there was (for example) quite a weird bug documented in -developers: the surface is RGB565 but trying to specify the number of bits fails, even if you say 5-6-5.04:11
GAN800ShadowJK_, weird.04:11
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Firebirdhm, odd04:11
Firebirdthere's a SDL1.2 with GLES, wonder if it has the same bug04:12
javispedrothat's probably the pandora one04:13
javispedroand it was designed for powervr in mind, so I'd say no.04:13
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Firebirdwell the 1.3 has a specific video driver for pandora04:15
Firebirdit does directfb, what does the stock SDL use? X11?04:16
GAN800I hope we get a discount program soon.04:16
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FirebirdGAN800, why? You already have a device don't you?04:17
GAN800I wonder if delays turned the Summit program into a loaner program.04:17
GAN800Yeah, but we need more people with devices.04:18
GAN800Then I can wait for other people to do things for me instead of doing them myself. :P04:18
javispedroFirebird: X11 of course.04:18
javispedrothe PowerVR as described by the Pandora guys is usually a mess.04:18
javispedro(no opinion since I don't have a device)04:19
ShadowJK_a mess?04:19
javispedrofor example, they say it integrates badly and with horrible performance with X1104:19
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ShadowJK_I've heard that so far nobody has managed to make it do anything useful :-)04:19
FirebirdI'll just go ahead and build the 1.2 version for now to avoid any issues04:19
zerojayHmm.. I see sid in the list of gstreamer-ugly plugins... heh.04:20
javispedroFirebird: i'd suggest the oposite, the 1.3 version is way more useful.04:20
GAN800OK, round two of layout modding failed.04:20
Firebirdaren't there api breaks in 1.3?04:20
javispedrojust you may need to change egl settings if it works in x86 emul but not device.04:20
javispedroFirebird: yes, there's some compat wrapper tho.04:20
GAN800Nothing seems to have an effect, and when it does it's a bad one.04:20
javispedroI don't know if it's any good.04:20
Firebirdthey've been working on it for an awfully long time04:21
javispedroand it's still not done :)04:21
Firebirdseems like its been at 1.2 since the beginning of time04:21
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* GAN800 is still way faster on the finger keyboard.04:22
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* javispedro builds another wallpaper package :P04:23
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javispedrothey don't look as good in the sdk.04:23
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javispedrosometimes I can see the divisions.04:24
zerojayWhich wallpaper are you looking at?04:24
javispedroand at least here there's no weird effect with the widgets.04:24
javispedroi think it's a gfx problem I have.04:24
javispedroat least the wallpaper didn't turn yellow.04:25
Firebirdack, can't even test opengl... since my SDK clearly lacks any opengl support04:25
javispedroFirebird: libgles2-dev, extras-devel.04:25
GAN800Why is it that when iTunes can't find album art it for a song it always defaults to $RANDOM Disney movie. . . .04:25
javispedroFirebird: ah, you mean host openGL?04:25
Firebirdjavispedro, as in, there's no hardware accel at all04:25
javispedrowhat are you using?04:25
javispedroa vm?04:25
FirebirdI have it outside of scratchbox but not inside04:25
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javispedroXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":2.0".04:26
javispedromaybe that's the reason my SDK is dead slow too.04:26
FirebirdI see no errors on my end, just that it isn't acceled at all04:27
Firebirdmight go grab a x86 box from upstairs and install the SDK on it04:27
javispedroFirebird: you said you don't have glxinfo in sbox, but you can just point your host's glxinfo to display :204:27
Firebirdah, right04:28
Firebirddun, dun, dun: "direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)"04:28
javispedromaybe lenny's xephyr hasn't any GLX accel04:28
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Firebirdlenny? I have whatever version of Xephyr that comes with xorg-server
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javispedroFirebird: do you use Xinerama?04:34
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Firebirdjavispedro, no04:36
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lcukx41hey javispedro04:38
javispedrohi lcukx4104:38
GAN800lcukx41, isn't it bed time?04:38
lcukx41javispedro, you got the new sdk04:39
lcukx41not tonight gan04:39
javispedroyep :)04:39
lcukx41ive got code i need to write04:39
lcukx41:) good04:39
lcukx41got your book yet?04:39
lcukx41damn you! lol04:39
lcukx41i couldnt get into the gaming session but vdv said it was cool04:40
javispedro=) no video I guess.04:40
lcukx41GAN800, arent you meant to tell me that in person \@/04:40
lcukx41not from me04:40
lcukx41check #maesum tags04:40
lcukx41yu yuhhh i actually wanted to meet u04:41
lcukx41the X on the summit flyer looks like xchat icon04:41
GAN800Watching videos and browsinf Flickr is just depressing me.04:41
lcukx41(only cos its an x)04:41
lcukx41yeah understandably gan, thats rly crap04:41
GAN800Anybody see my nametag on the table? :P04:42
lcukx41ill check04:42
lcukx41and we should post it to you04:42
lcukx41tshirt too04:42
GAN800Quite a souvenir. :P04:42
lcukx41hell yeah "i didnt fly over the atlantic, and all i got was this lousy tshirt04:42
GAN800Take pictures of it like sjgadsby got of Karel's in 2008? :D04:43
lcukx41ok ill try to remember04:43
lcukx41but my head is screwed already04:43
GAN800They've stuck you in a box to write Qt apps haven't they? :P04:45
lcukx41ive merged the graffiti walls :) without a database04:45
lcukx41well mek just spent last 2 hours compiling new qt04:45
lcukx41whilst i  was happy hacking lol04:45
lcukx41he has gone to bed tho04:45
lcukx41i need to get presentation done04:45
lcukx4112.30 tomorrow04:45
Firebirdoh, that's why, Xpehyr doesn't support direct rendering yet...04:46
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javispedroFirebird: that's not true, where are you reading that?04:47
Firebirdjavispedro, the freedesktop page04:48
javispedrobut I'm looking at the GLX code right now.04:49
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lcukx41javispedro, i just realised, i can do the layout04:51
lcukx41since arriving here ive been trying to suss out how to make a presentation04:52
lcukx41i havent got vb over here, and you are the only one whos done it in linux04:52
javispedroi don't remember about everything...04:55
javispedrolcukx41: but those say it works flawlessly:
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lcukx41i havent got wine or anything so im  not bothering tonight04:56
lcukx41not that path anyway04:56
lcukx41i just realised i can vnc into my home machine now i have a little internet04:57
* lcukx41 is well past the ballmer peak04:57
javispedrowell, good night.04:58
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GAN800zerojay, ping?05:09
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zerojayGAN800: Pong.05:18
GeneralAntilleszerojay, go create a Maemo EATS! group on Flickr?05:18
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Done:
GeneralAntillesI'd be tempted to change the tagline to "with Maemo"05:22
GeneralAntillesBut then it's not really THAT specific. :D05:22
Firebirdshouldn't it be "will be eaten" no one wants to see eaten food05:22
GeneralAntillesMy Dvorak keyboard is slowly failing in its purpose as an extra barrier to entry to using my computer.05:22
zerojayWhen you start taking pics of food with your N900, you can have a say, Firebird. ;)05:23
zerojayThis has to be the most retarded meme. lol05:25
GeneralAntillesMemes are retarded by their very definition.05:25
GeneralAntillesThink of it as a grass roots marketing campaign.05:25
GeneralAntilles(NOT VIRAL!)05:25
* GeneralAntilles is gonna make fried chicken tomorrow night.05:27
zerojayI invited about 5 other people and posted the group to my flickr using #maemo and #n900 tags. Heh.05:29
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lcukx41zerojay, GeneralAntilles great - yes, pics of food is good05:41
lcukx41better to have pics of receipts tho ;)05:42
lcukx41so you can do ocr on it later05:42
* lcukx41 writes a baconscan tool05:42
GeneralAntillesOkaaaay, lcuk. :P05:42
lcukx41how would you make a machine identify bacon05:44
lcukx41found it be on smell, or on color or texture or what05:44
GeneralAntillesin my mouth.05:44
lcukx41its a photo05:45
lcukx41it will taste of paper05:45
lcukx41mind you, american bacon is a bit crap05:45
GeneralAntillesHow would you know? :P05:46
GeneralAntillesand Oscar Meyer doesn't count. :P05:46
lcukx41all the coffee shops closed hours ago05:48
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GAN800Bleh, hildon home keeps crashing.06:10
zerojayGot Mauku installed and the widget?06:10
|Rzerojay : so you were walking around a Metro with your n900 lately? :P06:13
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|R <- and i mean, food store ;)06:14
zerojayJust doing grocery shopping.06:14
zerojayThat was maybe the day after I got the device.06:14
|RGood thing you're not running into me in Montreal at the grocery store, I'd be all over you asking questions haha :)06:15
zerojaySomeone on the bus home from work was asking me questions.06:15
|Rhe knew what you had?06:15
|Ror was just amazed?06:16
zerojayNo, he didn't. He just happened to see the transitions over my shoulder or something.06:16
zerojayAfter ten minutes, he used his iPhone 3GS to order himself an N900 off of Amazon. lo06:16
|Rpriceless :)06:17
zerojayWhen I brought it into work... that's where people were amazed.06:17
|RAre you in Amsterdam now?06:17
zerojayNo, but I should have been.06:18
GeneralAntilleszerojay, we need another Flickr group. :P06:18
zerojayI got full sponsorship paid to go, but work asked me to stay home because a deadline for one of our games got pushed forward.06:18
GeneralAntilles"Yeah, I can take pictures with my N900 too! :pout:"06:18
|Rbut then you would have had 2 N900..06:18
zerojayOne for six months, one for a year.06:18
zerojayWould have been neat.06:18
|Rhehe :)06:18
|RI don't get the lease though, what are they gonna do with 300 used phones in 6 months ?!06:19
|Rbuild test mesh networks?06:19
zerojayThey give them away all the time.06:19
zerojayNot N900s now, but the older tablets.06:19
GeneralAntilles|R, problem is that they're pre-release hardware.06:19
|RSo you'll find special bugs that only the 300 of you will be able to share! ;)06:20
zerojayI never was able to reflash the emmc. Heh.06:20
|RSo are they offering firmware .bin files like they did before this time too? (if we have to start over...)06:20
zerojayThat was just for us.. the people that got it before today.06:21
zerojayFirmware = .bin, eMMC image as well.06:21
|RSo uhm, you mean that you actually had as a pre-tester a .bin file but were unable to reflash the device?06:21
zerojayFlashing updates won't need to be done by the general public.06:22
|RI know06:22
|Rbut since we're in this channel we're not the general public :P06:22
|RAnd so, if i rm -rf / by error... what do i do?06:22
zerojayeMMC = default filesystem... so basically, I wasn't able to start cleanly between firmware updates like I should have been.06:22
zerojayYou'll be able to reflash. The .bin will be available. It just won't be needed if you just want to update.06:23
|RThere has to be a "reset" option06:23
|Rah yes, ok, that i know :)06:23
|Rso nothing new, great!06:23
|RUhm, i wish i had a way to get a 2nd n900 coming (well paying for one is enough) so i could give one to my gf to video chat from anywhere (or whatever will be possible)06:24
zerojayVideochat will only be coming after release.06:24
zerojayMaybe the Christmas update.06:24
|Rjust chat for now would be fine :)06:24
|RShe has wifi at work06:25
GAN800I'm sure somebody will hack something in.06:25
|Rhopefully, get gtalk back into business if it's not there from the start ;)06:25
zerojayIt's there from the start.06:25
zerojayFor the other protocols, install telepathy-extras.06:26
|Ri meant, jingle06:26
zerojayCollabora's working on that, I think.06:26
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zerojayI should ping them about the Facebook chat stuff I sent them... see if it'll be released soon.06:26
GAN800Somebody needs to prettify the telepathy packages.06:26
zerojayI just want to see IRC working again.06:27
| is crashed?06:27
GAN800Pretty names, useful descriptions (especially the short ones) and icons.06:27
|Rthe postgreSQL that is06:27
GAN800Just use XChat you weird bastard.06:27
|Ri use ssh home, or irssi hehe ;)06:28
GAN800Yeah, is not having a good week.06:28
zerojayI don't see XChat in the repos.06:28
|Rand uhm06:28
|Rconsidering the version and media wiki's web page, security updates are to be considered it seems06:29
* zerojay sighs.06:29
GAN800Ask qwerty12 for his new build tomorrow.06:30
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GAN800I need a new microSD06:31
zerojayOf Xchat?06:31
|Rwhy do people complain about missing T9 input !?06:31
zerojayBecause they are simpletons. lol06:32
GAN800Well, it's easy to use what you know.06:33
zerojayStill no Skype in here in Canada... bleh.06:33
GAN800and some people fly with T906:33
|Rfine but i'll be them with any qwerty anyday06:34
|Rget out of junior school already!06:34
|Rzerojay : Skype Canada?06:35
zerojayNo SkypeIn, I should say.06:35
|Rreally, that's weird06:35
|RI have a home asterisk setup linked to unlimitel for that so never got to ask myself this question but ...06:36
zerojayCRTC's fault.06:36
|Rhow come?06:36
zerojayI've got Gizmo/sipphone too.06:36
zerojayCRTC's blocking it.06:36
|Rwhat did Bell, err, i mean, the CRTC, did again?06:36
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|RHave you got your hope high for AWS on Videotron? ;)06:37
|R(I get the feeling we got particularly screwed in quebec...)06:38
zerojayNo, but I don't really care anyways. I'm moving in a month to Halifax. Hopefully I can get Rogers to drop my contract and I can hop on Wind... if they offer anything decent anyways.06:38
|Ryou b... ! :P06:38
|Rif they don't get blocked by bell i mean, telus, i mean, CRTC!06:39
zerojayI'm setting up a new office for my company so... heh.06:39
|Rcool :)06:39
zerojayWind already has the bandwidth everywhere except Quebec.06:39
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|Ryeah cause fuckin' Quebecor bought all the bands!06:39
zerojayAnd stated that Videotron paid more for the rights to that bandwidth block in Quebec than Wind paid for the same block in the rest of Canada.06:39
|Ri can't believe they paid more for qc than wind for all the rest of canada06:39
|Rwhat the hell06:39
|Rso long for the "new commer" rule that was a bit weirdly defined ;)06:40
zerojaySucks that I'm stuck on EDGE, but eh...06:40
|Rshould have applied to any telecom / media conglomerate, not just those who owned frequencies :|06:40
|RWhat speed are you getting on EDGE?06:40
|Ris it even worth trying?06:41
|Ror should i just get to learn where all the good AP are? ;)06:41
zerojayNothing great. Good enough for occasional surfing, updates, IM and all that.06:41
|Roh, not bad then06:41
zerojayIt's not that bad.. but I'm just used to it, I guess.06:42
|Rwhat kind of speed? 15k/sec ?06:42
zerojayNo idea.06:42
zerojayMight be in that ballpark06:42
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|RToo bad we don't have unlimited plans on any GSM providers06:43
zerojayNo kidding.06:43
|RWhy aren't they pushing to become ISPs?06:43
zerojayGlad that my N900 NDA is up. Finally, something in my life I can talk about. lol06:43
|Rcould be fun to have everything over the air06:43
zerojayAlmost everything else in my life is under NDA.06:43
|Ris the NDA under infinit NDA ?06:43
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zerojayI'm under 3 NDAs right now.06:44
|Rincluding the expired one?06:44
|R(you mean all with nokia !?)06:44
zerojay1 with my game company, 1 with an another game company... oh yeah... two others with game hardware manufacturers...06:45
|Rhaha :)06:45
zerojayOh... a 3rd game company..06:45
Xisdibikyou own a game company?06:45
zerojayI just make videogames for a living.06:45
Xisdibikare you allowed to say what game company? :p06:45
zerojayAn offshoot of Ubisoft.06:45
|Rhaha :)06:45
Xisdibikdo you contact Ubisoft ever?06:46
zerojayGame company B is Criterion Games/EA.06:46
zerojayGame company C is Media Molecule.06:46
Xisdibiknever heard of C06:46
zerojay(B and C share a pub in Guildford. lol)06:46
Xisdibikdont know for A, since u didnt say the name of the offshoot :)06:46
zerojayXisdibik: Makers of LittleBigPlanet on PS3.06:46
* Xisdibik doesnt own a PS306:46
ShadowJK_zerojay, so was there anything you'd wanted to say when you had n900 nda?06:46
zerojayShadowJK_: Dude... I wanted to say EVERYTHING.06:47
Xisdibiklike, when were getting ours? D:06:47
* |R 's latest console is a SNES :P06:47
zerojayXisdibik: I'm in constant contact with Ubi.06:47
|Rwell, soon an N900 :P06:47
zerojayI turned my PS3 into an emulation box.06:47
ShadowJK_zerojay, but nothing now?06:47
zerojayShadowJK_: Most everything's already known now.06:48
zerojayThere's still a few things I can't repeat, but it's generally nothing end users would even want to know.06:48
zerojayBut if you have questions, fire away.06:48
ShadowJK_dude we're geeks, of course we want to bloody know06:49
|Rheh, so it's not over!06:49
ShadowJK_does it use ramswap, does it use standard swapping on emmc?06:49
zerojayJR: It's over... it's just that we were asked not to talk about certain things... barely even related to the phone itself. Nokia internal practices, stuff like that.06:49
Xisdibikzerojay: can you tell them to make a Battle Realms 2 ;D06:49
zerojayXisdibik: lol.06:49
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zerojayShadowJK_: I'm really not sure offhand... I think it's on emmc.06:50
ShadowJK_yeah that's known06:50
ShadowJK_But the standard swap algorithms in linux are crap for flash based storage :)06:50
zerojayI'll take your word for it.06:51
zerojayAll I know is that if it's an issue, I don't notice it.06:51
ShadowJK_want a stress-test? :-)06:51
Xisdibikzerojay: wierd, the wiki for ubisoft has a upcoming game from them as Harvest Moon Online (unknown release date), Ubisoft is making that?06:51
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zerojayXisdibik: If they are, I didn't know... but the company is large, so...06:52
|Ryeah, huge building on st-laurent/st-viateur!06:52
zerojayI don't generally get involved in Ubisoft's console releases.. just my own part of the company.06:52
Xisdibikzerojay: lucky your not working on it :)06:52
zerojayI've paid my dues. I worked on worse.06:53
Xisdibikzerojay: your life would be hanging on it being a good game when i baught it ;)06:53
zerojayJR: I'm in Quebec City, actually. :)06:53
|Rzerojay : yeah i know hehe06:53
|Rbut the Mtl building is huge06:53
zerojayI still remember when they were mainly using the loft near Guy-Concordia metro.06:54
zerojayAnd a few floors below their loft was a computer place selling modchips. lol06:54
|Rwow, never heard of that, must have been a while ago :)06:54
|Rhaha :)06:54
zerojayLong time ago now.06:54
zerojay10 years.. maybe more.06:54
|Ri got to vote 10 years ago so i'm guessing you're older than me ;)06:55
zerojayI think it's the first or second stop when taking the 51 from Guy metro...06:55
zerojayMajor street, can't remember the name.06:55
zerojayI'm 30.06:55
zerojayMight be it.06:55
|Ror sherbrooke rather06:56
|Ranyway :)06:56
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soccerties1i just read up on the n900 for the first time, looks awsome06:57
zerojayJR: I seem to remember it being here:,-73.639076&sspn=0.25034,0.512238&ie=UTF8&ll=45.496526,-73.581727&spn=0,359.986063&z=17&layer=c&cbll=45.496538,-73.581848&panoid=ws82QnouFAM6UKAK3CxhbA&cbp=12,340.81,,0,2.8506:57
zerojayOne of those two buildings.06:57
|Ryeah ok :)06:58
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zerojayAnd I work at...07:00
zerojay6th floor.07:00
|Rhehe nice!07:01
|Rhave you found any major fuck up in street view this week in qc.qc ? :)07:01
zerojayNo... I haven't really looked around it too much yet.07:01
Sargunis maemo doesn still07:01
Sargunmeep, broken, down.07:01
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|Rserver is on fire07:02
|R(or something ;)07:02
Sargun|R, did you light it on fire?07:02
zerojayThe pics of Quebec aren't that old. Maybe 2 or 3 months. The Beenox/Activision building just down the street isn't finished yet in the pics.07:02
|RNah, i only do that on april 1st07:02
|Ri montreal they've spread it over a very long period i think07:03
|Rfrom last autumn to this year's spring07:03
Sargunzerojay, Did your team do any work on any of the splinter cell games07:04
|Ri think that's in Montreal, i know someone who was working on SC 507:05
zerojayClosest I've been to working on Ubisoft labeled projects was receiving the Assassin's Creed 2 script a few months ago.07:05
zerojayRight while I was playing through AC1 at home.07:06
|Rruined the whole thing haha ;)07:06
zerojayI yelled "gee, thanks for ruining the entire series for me!" at my boss. lol07:06
|Rhaha :)07:06
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|RI think everyone is off to Amsterdam and partying as the forum seems to actually be slowing down during the conference...07:08
|RIt'll hopefully explode with news on sunday evening/monday07:08
|R(long weekend in .ca, yeah! ;)07:08
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zerojayYeah. Time off is a very good thing.07:09
zerojayEven if you're making videogames.07:09
zerojayScratch that.07:10
zerojayESPECIALLY if you're making videogames.07:10
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iDialektWell boys07:10
zerojayHow sexist.07:11
iDialektIm walking to make a visit to an n90007:11
iDialektIm so excited07:11
zerojayWhere at?07:11
iDialektAnd girls07:11
iDialektFriend of mine works for nokia07:11
iDialektGot his unit early07:11
luke-jriDialekt: there are no girls on IRC07:11
SargunI hate you07:11
iDialektIm so excited07:11
zerojayYou can come over here. Play with my N900... complete with panoramic classic gaming wallpapers. :D07:12
iDialektI don't even know how im gonna react07:12
|Rzerojay : got any Life Force wall papers? :P07:12
iDialektBut if it's good then I'll sell my iPhone asap and pre order07:12
iDialektBut I hear t mobile might be subsidized selling it07:12
|Rhehe didn't see you could show them by user, awesome :)07:13
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zerojayClick on one to see the whole set of four.07:13
zerojayI'm hoping to have them included in Maemo Extras by the time sales start.07:13
iDialektOk guys i report back shortly lol07:14
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zerojayA friend of mine gave me two Skype credit vouchers.07:15
zerojayFor 0.51 EUR each? WTF.07:15
|RThe guy on the forum who posted this site a few days ago did an awesome job too (whoever he is, cheers!)07:15
|Rwe should just build an interface to automatically fetch the backgrounds there from the bg setting menu ;)07:16
zerojayI'm packaging mine as a .deb.07:16
zerojayLove my icon. :D07:17
|Rhaha nice07:17
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|RI just finished contra 3 this afternoon haha ;)07:18
|R(well ok, game genie style :P)07:19
zerojayI can still finish Contra 1 with just 3 lives.07:19
zerojayGlad not all my skills have gone to shit.07:19
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|Rhehe, i probably could if i tried more but back in the days my game was Life Force...07:19
|Rwhich i can finish with 10 more lives than when i start without ever dying!07:20
zerojayYeah, Lifeforce was a great game. NES or arcade?07:20
zerojayNES one's better anyways.07:20
|Rthe japanese version is also a bit weird, can't remember why though (youtube videos)07:20
GAN800Maemo Extras. :shudder:07:21
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GAN800Stupid spacebar scrolls more than one page in MicroB.08:20
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* GAN800 wonders if MishaS ever got over that silliness with libs in user/*09:28
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kirmamaemo wiki database engine is down...09:34
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MaceTBthe saga continues09:42
GAN800The pieces are falling off the old Ford. ;)09:44
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MaceTBwow.. guess this thing has a ton of pkgs that need updating09:45
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wazdheya all10:54
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fralsmorning o/10:55
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Macerconfigure: error: C compiler cannot create executables11:04
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Maceri have no idea why that is happening11:14
Macerand i can't build a new gcc11:14
Macerif the old one can't make executables :)11:15
Macerah well11:15
Stskeepsmer port?11:15
Macerpidgin seems to have died on me too and core dumps11:15
Macerno. it's the tb stuff11:15
Maceri might have to reinstall the os.. i think my upgrade screwed it up11:15
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aSIMULAtoryay for the maemo council11:17
* mgedmin900 built an xchat deb for fremantle11:18
* qwerty12_N810 did the same, a while back11:19
mgedmin900instead of the party spent last evening in the hotel installing the fremantle sdk11:19
JosefAssadI just registered an account on Is there a problem with logging in? I keep getting username or password incorrect.11:19
mgedmin900will extras assistant come back online any time soon?11:19
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fralsaSIMULAtor: what are they saying? ;)11:21
aSIMULAtorthey were just introducing themselves and how each started to become active in the community11:22
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aSIMULAtorand to extend the hand of friendship for new members11:22
aSIMULAtornow it's tor roosendaal talking about the blender suite11:23
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crashanddiehey, i've recorded the council's introduction at the summit, sadly it's 200 megs for 8 minutes11:34
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mgedmin900ok, extras assistant is back online11:34
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RST38hmoo all11:35
mgedmin900qwerty12_N810, why didn't you upload fremantle xchat to extras-devel then?11:35
RST38hzap,mgedmin,crash,macer,asimulator: ehlo11:35
qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: Because I'm still working on it11:36
zapRST38h: 501 5.0.0 EHLO requires domain address11:36
crashanddieqwerty: then hurry the fuck up, webchat is horrible11:36
mgedmin900rst38h: I can't speak smtp this early in the morning11:36
qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: I've got the volume keys working, and the search actually fitting to the window but it still needs other UI changes11:36
zapspam detected, rejecting11:36
mgedmin900qwerty12_N810, perfect = enemy of good11:37
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qwerty12_N810I've managed to fuck up the main window, so that needs fixing:
mgedmin900kudos to whoever took care of password safe's ui!11:39
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mgedmin900qwerty12_N810, how did it look when it wasn't fscked up?11:41
mgedmin900xchat was always an ui disaster11:41
mgedmin900what's the key for screenshot in maemo 5?11:42
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crashanddiethat looks pretty f'd up q, indeed11:42
RST38hdont touch xchat i like ti! :)11:42
crashanddiemgedmin: install the the system monitor applet11:43
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zapRST38h: maemo-select-menu-location is the only problem left with mc?11:46
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qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: slightly saner...
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qwerty12_N810Oh, has anyone else noticed maemo-optify not differentiating between arch/indep packages?11:50
mgedmin900aargh ovi signup page11:51
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: oh dear11:53
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mgedmin900wtf ovi account validation is system modal?11:54
cdocbohey guys, can anyone tell me if there are any tweaks to mplayer for the n810?  I can't play a 480x270@30fps video.  Sounds is 2 channel 128Kbit 44.1k sound.  Searching online seems to say it should be able to play that.  I get maybe 1 frame every 5 seconds11:56
mgedmin900plain old diablo xchat rebuilt for fremantle11:56
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mgedmin900with useless ui bits disabled11:57
mgedmin900btw it's too easy to accidentally share a pic11:57
ShadowJKcdocbo, is that h264 or xvid?11:58
cdocboit's a youtube flv11:58
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ShadowJKqwerty12_N810, man, 10 lines of text? that looks terrible. I think I'd get rid of the mode buttons and the topic bar atleast? :-)11:59
qwerty12_N810ShadowJK: Oh, of course, I just turned those on12:00
* ShadowJK just changed font size to 8 in xchat on his N810 today12:00
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* Corsac only needs irssi in xterminal12:00
Corsacand a n90012:00
ShadowJKI like the channel tree switcher12:01
ShadowJKother than that I'd probably use irssi :/12:02
cdocboShadowJK, it's a youtube flv file.12:02
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onionhas something changed for SDL apps regarding keyboard input?12:02
ShadowJKcdocbo, mplayer from extras?12:03
onioncursors etc works fine in N810 but not on the N90012:03
cdocboShadowJK, yes12:03
ShadowJKcdocbo, wanna try something in xterm?12:03
cdocboShadowJK, sure12:03
cdocboShadowJK, I'm ssh'd in, so no big deal :)12:04
qwerty12_N810onion: There's a thread on it on Talk... In short: Do you call SDL_WM_SetIcon/SetCaption?12:04
cdocbofyi, using omapfb output: [omapfb] ARM JIT scaler (quality=2): 480x270 YV12 => 480x270 YUV42012:04
ShadowJKwell let's start with mplayer -af resample=44100 file.flv12:04
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cdocboShadowJK, it is already, btw: AUDIO: 44100 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/9.07% (ratio: 16000->176400)12:05
ShadowJKoh :-)12:05
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ShadowJKoh, try -ao esd12:06
ShadowJKThough I guess gmplauncher might already be doing that, I'm not sure12:06
cdocboShadowJK, no difference12:06
ShadowJKgot a link to this file?12:07
onionqwerty12_N810: I have to check, thanks12:07
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cdocboShadowJK, it's the HD version, but Hd is 480x270@30fps for this video12:08
Pavlovanyone got the n900 playing apple lossless yet? :)12:09
johnqCan someone give me a link to a guide on how to install the ui framework inside the scratchbox? My scratchbox is running, even wyth xephyr, but I somehow missed to install the ui framework.12:09
ShadowJKlet's see, downloadhelper found 4 different versions for it..12:09
ShadowJKOh it's music video, hmph. I was expecting pr0n :-(12:10
cdocboI used mytube, newer version of youtube-dl with the -b (best) option12:10
cdocbowell if helps, it's a funny video. :)12:10
ShadowJKfmt 18 is 480x270 h26412:11
ShadowJKh264 isn't going to do well :(12:11
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cdocbooh, so I can't do h264 videos then?12:12
ShadowJKwell they'll use twice as much cpu power or so..12:12
ShadowJKSupposedly the built-in player is better at h26412:13
cdocbowhat format should I pick?  my youtube-dl has a -f option12:14
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ShadowJKwhat does it give you if you don't specify anything12:15
Shapeshifterjohnq: well, did you do scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start, scratchbox/login, start12:15
Shapeshifterjohnq: or are you missing
* ShadowJK isn't familiar with youtube fmt codes :(12:15
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johnqShapeshifter: I'm missing af-sb-init.sh12:16
Shapeshifterjohnq: ok, you need the nokia binaries, for both architectures. go here, accept this, and copy the deb line12:17
Shapeshifterthen in you scratchbox, edit /etc/sources.list and add the deb line12:18
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Shapeshifterdo this for both achitectures, so, you need to do this once in FREMANTLE_X86 and once in FREMANTLE_ARMEL, you can switch to ARMEL with 'sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL'12:19
mgedminwhere do I get public pgp keys?12:19
ccookemorning, all12:19
johnqShapeshifter: Yes, I already did this. Which package do I need to install?12:19
Shapeshifterjohnq: also edit sources.list there. then do: apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries also in both environments12:19
ShadowJKcdocbo, need twice as much power to play that clip realtime in h264 :(12:20
cdocboShadowJK, whoa, fmt=22 = 1280x720 !12:20
johnqShapeshifter: ah, thank you12:21
mgedmingood presentation about maemo 5 ui design principles12:22
johnqShapeshifter: do you mean "host and scratchbox" with "both environments"?12:22
mgedminjohnq: no, he means in both scratchbox targets (armel and x86)12:23
Shapeshifterjohnq: no, FREMANTLE_ARMEL and FREMANTLE_X8612:23
Shapeshiftersb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL to switch12:23
* mgedmin a bit disappointed that the n900 doesn't come with avahi preinstalled12:23
konttori__mpe4 can be played back with about 10% of cpu for the video playback, while DSP does pretty much everything. on h264, cpu is taxed to 40%.12:24
johnqShapeshifter: Oh sorry, I just read that you already said that ;-)12:24
konttori__bitrates and resolutions have quite little effect on that usage.12:24
konttori__There is work ongoing to get the h264 to the same 10% ballpark, but it's not there yet.12:25
konttori__cdocbo: (in case you were interested)12:25
cdocbokonttori__, 40% means it still could play video, I get 1 frame every 5 seconds!12:26
konttori__for example the videos I had on my device in nokia world, were encoded at 800x480, 24 fps, 5000 kbits/sec.12:26
konttori__cdocbo: all h264 I have tried have been playing just fine12:27
cdocbosomething is wrong with my mplayer, I think12:27
konttori__just that that 40% also means more power usage, and thus less time on battery12:27
konttori__on, you are using mplayer12:27
cdocboI tried to play a DVD mpeg I ripped, it won't play either (1 fps max)12:27
konttori__my comments were for the default gstreamer based player12:27
mgedminwait, avahi-daemon *is* already installed, it's just avahi-dnsconfd that's missing12:27
konttori__as that is using dsp.12:27
konttori__and we are talking about n900, right?12:28
mgedminor did one of the apps pull it in?12:28
cdocbonomis, n81012:28
* mgedmin scratches head12:28
cdocboer, no, n810. :)12:28
konttori__ok, n810 is not able to to to decode h264 properly12:28
konttori__upgrade to n900 ;)12:28
cdocbono way wife would go for that. :-/12:29
konttori__why not?12:29
cdocboI just bought too many other toys. :)12:29
konttori__oh, but this is not a toy, it's a mobile phone.12:29
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konttori__so, serious tool for everyday communication.12:29
Corsacnote that you should be able to run wiibrator on it12:30
cdocboanything else I can do to get this working on the 810?12:30
Corsacso it /may/ become a toy12:30
cdocboshort of transcoding it...12:30
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mgedminavahi *is* preinstalled, woooo hooo!!!12:31
mgedminall I need to do is change the hostname12:31
mgedmin(vi /etc/hosts, vi /etc/hostname, hostname -F /etc/hostname, /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon restart)12:32
mgedminand to ssh in I need to scp my authorized_keys, run vipw and change user:! to user:*12:32
mgedminafter installing openssh of couse12:33
mgedminqwerty12_N810: I uploaded my temporary build of xchat to fremantle extras, hope you don't mind12:34
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mgedmineagerly awaiting your version with improved UI12:34
qwerty12_N810mgedmin: Crap, I've also done the same :/12:34
mgedminwoohoo, a race condition :)12:34
mgedminmine had version 2.8.6-maemo10fremantle112:35
qwerty12_N810Ah, yeah, yours should be the version that shows up then12:35
qwerty12_N810Mine is "2.8.6-maemo10"12:35
mgedminmaemo10 was the version in diablo, surely if you've made further changes you would've increased it to maemo11...12:36
mgedminI thought12:36
Shapeshifterso this 10% mpe4, h264 40% is for the n810?12:36
Shapeshifterhow about the n900?12:36
qwerty12_N810mgedmin: I can be a little lax in my running of dch :\12:36
konttori__mgedmin: finally xchat in there! Wohoo! thanks!12:36
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* brbrbr warmly greeet everyone12:41
BluesLeedoes someone else has display problems with xephyr/xnest and the new sdk?12:41
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Mekif with display problems you mean the blue and green channels sometimes being swapped, yes, I've seen that12:42
BluesLeeMek: its worse here
BluesLeeMek: i dont get the "launcher bar" or whatever it is called12:45
BluesLeei also tried xnest12:45
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cdocbowell thanks guys, guess I'll try a upnp server to transcode on the fly.12:46
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zgold_anybody know how to join irc channels to n900?12:48
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ccookezgold_: you'll need to install something - a local client, the irc transport for telepathy or ssh to a server with a client you use12:49
zgold_i installed the telepathy plugon12:49
ccookeright now that'll mean adding the extras-devel repository, which might(will) have bugs12:49
zgold_*nd i logged in12:49
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zgold_but i dont see how to join a channel12:50
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ccookeah. Not sure, I haven't tried that myself12:50
mgedminI couldn't figure out the telepathy irc plugin12:50
mgedminxchat should be now available from maemo extras-devel12:51
zgold_i get nickserv msgs heh12:51
zgold_meh.  i have ssh amd irssi which i  using now12:51
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zgold_native would be nicw12:51
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BluesLeecan someone check if this is conform with older versions?
mgedminxchat's build succeeded ~10 minutes ago; how long does it usually take for the package to appear in the repo?12:58
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mgedminwhat's the status of fbreader for fremantle?12:59
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mgedminah, it's in extras-devel12:59
qwerty12_N810It's a total shitpile, to be honest. Straight build of the Diablo version, and that doesn't really work well in FBReader's case13:00
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ccookeqwerty12_N810: UI assumption breaks?13:01
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mgedminfbreader was always an odd fish13:02
qwerty12_N810ccooke: Yep, and simple things like not telling that volume daemon to fuck off so you can use the volume keys to change pages13:02
BluesLeemgedmin: there was something like opiereader on the zaurus, newer versions should compile against qt,
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ccookeqwerty12_N810: ah ha. Useless.13:03
BluesLeemgedmin: i used a version from tim on my freerunner within qtopia13:03
mgedminI always tweak my fbreader's toolbar.xml to add page up/down buttons13:04
BluesLeemgedmin: opiereader had gestures for navigation13:04
fralsawesome, q3 source coming to garage *soon* :D13:05
Mekhmm... is there no rsync package yet for fremantle?13:05
BluesLeemgedmin: i also have fbreader with gestures on freerunner, it shouldnt be hard to transfer the code13:05
mgedminno windows-1257 support in freemantle's iconv...13:05
mgedminMek: I can rebuild the diablo one if you wish13:06
mgedminhm... no freemantle fuelpad yet13:06
Mekah, actually, thre is a rsync in extras-devel13:06
ccookeHarmattan UI sounds interesting13:09
ccookeanyone not there interested?13:09
ccooke(and not willing to wait a few hours, I guess :-)13:10
* qwerty12_N810 shoots himself for deleting Q3 data files13:10
mgedminccooke: you there?  I'm somewhat interested13:10
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mgedminbut fremantle UI is also interesting, which is why I'm in the N900 room13:10
ccookethe obvious: Ground-up rebuild for cross-platform use13:11
ccookethey're planning for GL effects everywhere13:11
ccookenew frameworks: state machine and graphics13:11
ccookeeffects on widgets13:11
ccookemultitouch, but you knew that13:11
ccookeuses QT graphics view framework, scene graph based UI. everything is part of a boundless scene, with windows acting as views upon that13:13
ccookephysics widgets13:13
mgedminthe speaker here pronounces "focus" in a very interesting way13:13
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mgedminsounds like a nsfw phrase13:13
mgedminwakes me up13:13
mgedminI'd already forgotten how awful modest was on diablo13:13
mgedminit's quite usable in maemo 513:14
mgedminwhat are physics widgets?13:14
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ccooke(he's now talking about qt, but that's not really new)13:14
ccookemgedmin: widets with physics effects associated with them to allow kinetic scrolling in the framework13:15
ccooke(and other effects)13:15
ccookeMaemo 6 UI: Brand new UI. they want it to be recognisably nokia13:15
mgedminrecognizably *new* nokia, or recognizably nokia from things like s40/s60?13:16
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ccookeimplication was new.13:16
ccookebut $disclaimer, basically :-)13:16
ccooke"advanced theming system based on svg and css"13:17
ccooke"additional layouts, including implicit animations"13:18
fralsqwerty12_N810: i could supply you, assuming ofcourse you own the original somewhere ;))13:18
ccooke"support device independant measurements such as milimetres in the css"13:19
qwerty12_N810frals: Ah, don't worry, I've "bought" it lots of times before...13:19
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Stskeepsccooke: people creaming their pants yet? :P13:19
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mgedminfor some reason I cannot make myself feel excited about qt...13:20
qwerty12_N810mgedmin: You're not the only one...13:20
ccookeStskeeps: :-)13:20
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ccookeMaemo 6 compositor is now split from the WM13:22
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ccookemgedmin: it's apparently cleaner and more similar to desktop linux13:22
mgedminbut but but13:23
mgedmindesktop linux went in the other direction13:23
mgedmincompositor inside wm13:23
ccookethere were other reasons which I may have missed13:23
ccookeCheck the video and then complain :-)13:23
mgedminoriginally compositor was a separate app (eg. xcompmgr)13:23
Stskeepscleaner api prolly13:24
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ccooke"will M6 support other resolutions?": Answer suggested that *devices* are unlikely to have other resolutions, but they already run it in much higher resolutions in dev and it should scale to lower ones13:27
ccookecontextkit - new framework for device state information, available to any process13:28
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ccookeright, I'd better move on13:28
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* mgedmin asks for cp1257 support in fremantle's libc:
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mgedminxchat fell into extras13:32
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mgedminvim isn't there yet13:32
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mgedmin says password safe needs someone to test it on the device13:34
mgedminI can do that13:34
mgedminin fact I've been doing that13:34
mgedminbut where do I send feedback?13:34
qwerty12_N810look for password safe in the Qa queue and thumb up/down and comment13:35
mgedminah, it helps if I log in13:36
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mgedminwhy is the user account locked by default?13:46
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LynoureIs there a separate channel for the maemo summit as it is ongoing? (would be interesting to hear commentary on the talks I'm missing or share comments on the talks I'm listening to)13:48
mgedminLynoure: not irc, but check out
SpeedEvilI don't think anyone would object to that in here13:51
CorsacI certainly don't13:52
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onionfremantle extra-devels seems a bit broken14:01
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Lynoureonion: just heard that too, half an hour ago from the guy sitting next to me.14:03
onionah, ok. just noticed when I tried adding it14:04
LynoureNo N900 for me to play with yet, unless I hijack Iridian's.14:04
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onionwell, lunch14:05
ShadowJKShapeshifter, it was for N90014:12
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ShapeshifterShadowJK: ah.14:15
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wazdwooden n900 - wow :)14:29
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mgedmin900grr xchat unfriendly with connection drops14:55
mgedmin900anyone got a prepaid 3g card in amsterdam?14:55
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* mgedmin900 also wants mdns resolution14:58
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tekonivelall that Maemo 6 and Qt -stuff is making me (and supposedly other people too) to hesitate about N900+Maemo 515:03
tekonivelit would be very wise of nokia to officially say how are N900 and Maemo 6 gonna come with each  other. If they're compatible: that's great; if not, good to know15:04
tekoniveli think i'll postpone getting an n900 until some light is shed on this15:05
tekonivelwhich fscking sucks, because i'm quite annoyed by my N9515:05
tekoniveland in need of a new phone15:05
tekonivelwould hate to spend 400€ (600€-estimated resale value) for half a year of Maemo 515:06
ccooketekonivel: here are some things that nokia announced about maemo 6 devices:15:07
ccookeThey will be omap 3 based15:07
ccookeThey will have WVGA screens, like the other tablets15:08
ccookethey will be opengl based15:08
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ccookebasically, they've said that the hardware platform for maemo 6 devices is going to be almost identical to maemo 515:08
Mekexcept for the capacative touchscreen...15:09
ccookeThey said they'd support multitouch "on capacitive devices", which implies there will be some resistive ones15:09
fralscept for the multitouch screen i guess15:09
fralsoh cool15:09
JosefAssadhow useful is multitouch actually in daily use?15:09
ccookeJosefAssad: ish. Depends on the level of integration and accuracy of its use15:10
mgedmin900is maemo 6 really going to be ready in 6 months?15:10
ccookeI prefer resistive screens for their more universal use15:10
JosefAssadccooke: that, plus it's a small screen really. Too many operations requiring multitouch would actually be actively uncomfortable15:10
ccookemgedmin900: no idea, but if so I'm *certain* it'll support th n90015:10
mgedmin900a n900 is a wonderful sevice15:11
ccookeYou can't use a capacitive screen easily when it's raining, for instance15:11
JosefAssadI actually like the spinning gesture more for zooming in and out.15:11
ccookeor even if the tips of your fingers are wet15:11
sulxor at cold weather15:12
JosefAssadIf I had to zoom in and out 1000 times I know I'd much rather do it by drawing a circle than by pinching15:12
sulxor with gloves15:12
sulxif your hands are covered with oil or some other s**t, you can poke resistive with screwdriver or something ;)15:13
mgedmin900speaking of 1000 times, kinetic scrolling sucks for very long lists15:14
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mgedmin900examples: app manager, maemo irc logs page15:14
qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: Using Application Manager with extras-devel? ;P15:14
dimirIs it possible to start graphical apps manually from scratchbox command line?15:15
tigertyeah, appmanager really should do live search15:15
qwerty12_N810dimir: <program>15:15
mgedmin900app manager: I want filtering by first letter, not by category15:15
dimirqwerty12_N810: example of the program?15:15
qwerty12_N810Well, whatever you have installed15:15
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dimirqwerty12_N810: I tried: /usr/bin/browser15:15
dimirqwerty12_N810: but it didn't appear on Xephyr.15:16
dimirqwerty12_N810: I have standard maemo5 final sdk.15:16
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mgedmin900uh oh15:17
dimirAnd I was doing it from the same command line where I just executed ' start'15:17
qwerty12_N810dimir: $DISPLAY correctly set, you've ran " start", etc?15:17
dimirqwerty12_N810: ye.15:17
mgedmin900I broke app manager15:18
mgedmin900clicked on some random installer in app menu15:19
mgedmin900hit back and close when it launched app mgr15:19
mgedmin900relaunched app mgr15:19
mgedmin900now it has no catalogues15:19
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mgedmin900oof, restarted it and all's fine15:22
zgold_im tryimg to make a new .desktop that laumches ossoxterm with an arguement and failing miserably on n90015:25
onionhas the stylus kbd been removed?15:25
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jeremiahLightening talks soon at maesum15:25
qwerty12_N810onion: For Fremantle, yes15:26
JosefAssadugh, no matter what I do I can't register on maemo.org15:26
onioni hate the fullscreen thingy and typing with the hwkbd is slow15:27
JosefAssadIf anyone has the time to try the registration so they can tell me if the problem is me or the site I'd appreciate it15:27
qwerty12_N810Not so keen on the fullscreen one, myself, but the hardware one isn't all that bad (once you get used to its unorthodox layout...)15:27
onioni got so used to the stylus kbd on the 77015:29
qwerty12_N810I got used to it on the N800 (never used the fullscreen one) but I got used to the N810 keyboard and now I don't use the stylus/finger keyboard at all :)15:29
qwerty12_N810Only time I use the finger keyboard on the N900 is if I can't be arsed to pull out the slider :p15:30
SpeedEvilIt's so much hard work.15:30
SpeedEvil(but, yes)15:30
onionhbkbd layout for fi is strange, cursors go behind combinations15:30
jeremiahJosefAssad: That problem pops up now and then15:31
jeremiahTrying to find the bug report for it in bugzilla . . .15:31
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ShadowJKonion, it does that on all non-english keyboard I think15:33
qwerty12_N810onion: Ah, yeah, I can see that being an annoyance... This one is the English layout so I'm lucky regarding the arrows :)15:33
ShadowJKexcept maybe french15:33
ShadowJKyou can set it to english in control panel anyway, look at picture of english keyboard and remember where the letters are ;-)15:33
tekonivelccooke: i don't know what are your affiliations (i assume everyone here is a fanboi), but that's for the summary... that's what i've read before... i guess n900 it shall be for me, then15:33
onionmy kbd is englis so its even harder :)15:34
tekonivelgreat coverage from Maemo Summit on allaboutmaemo, btw15:35
SpeedEvilI wish that optimus-like keyboards weren't so expensive to make15:35
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tekonivelone more day to go15:35
tekonivelmaybe someone change the /topic to point ppl to Maemo summit15:36
SpeedEvil /topic It's over there! ->15:36
javispedroyou can change it.15:36
mgedmin900excellent talk by dneary15:36
jeremiaha meta talk15:37
jeremiahtalking about talking15:37
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tekonivelsuch a lengthy topic...15:37
tekoniveloh well, it's great that maesum is mentioned there15:38
SpeedEvil8 n900s sold on ebay already (uk, preorder)15:38
tekonivelanyone here on irc with a n900? haw are your carpal syndromes doing?15:38
jeremiahnot too bad15:38
qwerty12_N810SpeedEvil: Pre-order? Meh.15:39
jeremiahBut I have my N810 with me and my computer too15:39
* qwerty12_N810 uses his N810 to IRC15:39
qwerty12_N810N900 + router don't agree with each other15:39
jeremiahrelying on network in a lightening talk is always risking15:39
* javispedro loves his N81015:39
jeremiaha fail whale15:39 had some great prices for N900 about a week ago, now  at 600€15:40
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tekoniveli have an n800 and wouldn't use it for irc if you pointed a gun at me15:40
JosefAssadjeremiah: this the one you're thinking of?
* jeremiah checks JosefAssad's link15:40
tekonivelany finns around? mistäs ostatte oman N900:nne?15:41
qwerty12_N810tekonivel: I used to IRC using an N800. And this was with the stylus keyboard...15:41
* SpeedEvil stabs the lack of linux voice recognition software.15:41
JosefAssadjeremiah: it's a pretty crappy bug report but it covers my problem too15:41
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: oh dear...15:41
jeremiahMaybe a bug report on the bug report15:42
mgedmin900feedhandler presentation convincing15:42
JosefAssadjeremiah: i'll pick that one p and provide better info15:42
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: i don't come with the n800 keyboard at all. the fullscreen keyboard was ok, but f.ex. the swipe-left-for-erase works kind of randomly15:42
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qwerty12_N810tekonivel: I hate the fullscreen keyboard for IRC :)15:43
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: also the upper row of the onscreen keyboard is horrid at getting capital letters by swiming up15:43
jeremiahJosefAssad: That would be nice of you - and it is the bug I was thinking of.15:43
qwerty12_N810tekonivel: You miss half of what has been said15:43
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: did you use dvorak or some other tweaks?15:43
qwerty12_N810tekonivel: True :)15:43
qwerty12_N810tekonivel: Nope, plain qwerty :)15:43
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JosefAssadjeremiah: will o. When i got somethking more descriptive ill ask you who i shound bug. :)15:44
jeremiahJosefAssad: Thanks for more info and I am sure your account will get set up even if it has to be done by hand15:44
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: props15:44
crashanddietrue to his name15:44
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: you were truly desperate to get on irc... you need to get halp ;)15:44
JosefAssadjeremiah: I'd be happier if it took longer to get the account if it helped find a bug somewhere.15:44
qwerty12_N810tekonivel: I'm addicted to #maemo, let alone any other channels...15:44
crashanddiehe's got help15:44
tekoniveli guess a hw-keyboard (n810, n900 etc) is necessarily15:45
javispedro#furry-pr0n ?15:45
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: well, i guess one can learn to live with the minikeyboard of n800; or just buy a device with a hw-kb15:45
crashanddieteko: not really15:45
* tekonivel is surrounded by crazy peoples15:46
qwerty12_N810tekonivel: Yep. I was given an N810 and it's much more saner to use with XChat :)15:46
tekonivelthough there are good onscreen minikeyboards out there too15:46
sp3000aww, poor rsync. nobody loves him15:46
crashanddieteko: yeah it's easier to type on the go, but hardely something you'd want to use full time15:46
tekoniveliphone, n900 i guess etc... but n800... it's quite a nuisance15:47
ShadowJKtekonivel, currently debating whether to buy from nokia shop since they get the first shipment for sure, or from idesan which seems to be cheapest now15:47
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* JosefAssad would have loved to see Steve Jobs' reaction to Fremantle/Harmattan/N90015:47
tekonivelcrashanddie: yea, esp now with netbooks available (also much cheaper than an f.ex. maemo device) that you can use if you sit down and intend to chat for a bit longer time15:48
crashanddiethat being said, the n900 has a much better keyboard than the n81015:48
tekonivelof course you can't use an eeepc and walk at the same time15:48
tekonivelShadowJK: in pHinland?15:48
ShadowJKtekonivel, yes15:48
mgedmin900I miss some dedicated keys, esp -15:48
qwerty12_N810crashanddie: Oh, you finally got one? :p15:49
crashanddien900 doesn't have on-screen keyboard15:49
ShadowJKBut I just used hintaseuranta15:49
qwerty12_N810crashanddie: It has a finger one15:49
ShadowJKcrashanddie, I thought it did15:49
tekonivelShadowJK: oh yeah, i'd better do that too... forgot15:49
qwerty12_N810crashanddie: Enable it in the Control Panel15:49
mgedmin900and entering ~ is really torturous15:49
crashanddiei wouldn't use a netbook for proper typing either15:49
tekonivelcrashanddie: i'm using my eeepc for all things. my desktop pc has been packed away for half a year now15:50
tekoniveleeepc 901+ubuntu=bliss15:50
mgedmin900lack of hw tab makes xchat nick completion tricky15:50
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tekonivelalso, i wear baggy pants so eeepc fits into my pocket15:50
tekonivelwell, barely, but it does->no need for a bag15:50
* mgedmin900 has a mental image of tekonivel15:51
sp3000mgedmin900: I used fn+space on N810 but there's kinda no free fn layer left to stash these things onto on N900 ;)15:51
javispedroeeePC fitting on pocket?15:51
javispedroI need to see that.15:51
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saltsa_is it easy to make maemo able to run android apps?15:51
qwerty12_N810sp3000: Fn + $ ;)15:51
javispedrosaltsa_: as easy as to make it run ZX81 apps read from a tape. Not unless you are a hacker or have money to hire one (for now).15:52
ShadowJKtekonivel, I think you need to provide some image as proof15:52
ShadowJKsaltsa_, no15:52
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saltsa_javispedro, well, isn't android apps still something like mobile java apps?15:52
javispedrosaltsa_: not at all.15:52
saltsa_and the base system is linux in both platforms..15:52
tekonivelthere's no laptop in this image, but you
javispedrosaltsa_: the kernel is linux. the base system is GNU on Maemo, but not on Android.15:53
tekonivelthere's no laptop in this image, but you'll get a glimpse of the trousers
* mgedmin900 never realized the tv out can be used for presentations until he saw people doing that15:53
SpeedEviljavispedro: why not?15:53
SpeedEviljavispedro: jsspeccy could easily support zx8115:53
javispedroSpeedEvil: but it does not NOW, and that's what I mean ;)15:53
saltsa_javispedro, does android have any terminal or gnu tools, or is it possible to install them?15:53
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tekonivelthe eeepc sticks out, but certainly won't drop (unless i go climbing somewhere)15:53
javispedrosaltsa_: dunno.15:53
saltsa_just thinking should i bought the n900 or some android... :P15:54
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sp3000or a netbook and bigger pants ;)15:54
tekoniveli hate bags; things that don't fit in my pockets are useless!!!15:54
tekonivelsp3000: i approve!15:54
Khertanand yeah eeepc is maybe nice but you chat more th" two hours without running out of battery15:54
qwerty12_N810tekonivel: I thought you were referring to front pockets (in which case, I'd would have made a comment about your ability to still have children... ;))15:54
javispedrotekonivel: Chapeau!15:55
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: lol xD15:55
ShadowJKI think the GNU tools and terminals are usually locked away on android devices?15:55
mgedmin900getting root is easier on maemo than on android, no?15:55
mgedmin900no operator lockins15:55
ShadowJKmgedmin900, yes15:56
tekonivelqwerty12_N810: you know back in the day ppl actually had a front pocket in the middle, and would store all sorts of good there to impress woomin. this was before the front pocket evolved to a fly15:56
tekonivellike in the 17th century or whatever15:56
mgedmin900why no battery estimate, just a picture, on n900?15:57
sp3000I was going to check the diagonal" of my pockets but now I'm having second thoughts15:57
tekonivelminilaptop won't impress anyone these days. you need one of those reficulous 17" multimedialaptops to show your masculinity15:57
qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: You have had the N800 and N810 for long enough to know that Nokia's estimates on the battery times != reality15:57
infobottekonivel meant: minilaptop won't impress anyone these days. you need one of those rediculous 17" multimedialaptops to show your masculinity15:57
sp3000where's that one picture...15:57
ccooketekonivel: hardly. I'm carrying around one of those and I don't think it says anything about that :-)15:58
tekonivelbugger, that infobots know a thing or two! great!15:58
tekonivels/bugger/i'll be damned/15:58
infobottekonivel meant: i'll be damned, that infobots know a thing or two! great!15:58
tekoniveli love that feature on a irc-bot <315:59
Khertanxchat isn t available yet on fremantle ?15:59
* tekonivel proceeds to hintaseuranta.fi16:00
fralsKhertan: some are using it, i think its in queue for -testing16:00
tekonivelall sorts of uncertainty-factors... with N95 we had v1, v2 and v3, plus the N95 GB16:00
tekonivelwill there be a better N900 if i wait?16:00
* ccooke carries around a giant laptop because he is a gigantic freak of nature and can't comfortably use anything smaller :-)16:01
JosefAssadccooke: Oh, a Nokia Communicator huh :p16:01
tekonivelccooke: i was waiting for an excuse...16:01
Khertani didn t found it in extras-devel :)16:01
ccooketekonivel: does that count?16:02
tekonivelccooke: so and so16:02
* ShadowJK finds his n810's average power use can vary by 3x from week to week with exact same use16:02
* tekonivel never got the idea of those big laptops16:02
fralsKhertan: mgedmin900 seems to run it on his n900, dunno how he did it :)16:03
Lynouresmall hands are handy with things like N900 =)16:03
CorsacShadowJK: maybe it depends on the wifi networks around16:03
* SpeedEvil hugs his x60s. (12" thinkpad)16:03
tekonivelthey're SUVs of laptops16:03
mgedmin900it was uploaded this morning16:03
mgedmin900conboy rules16:03
ShadowJKcorsac: oh it does, but nothing has really changed16:03
ccooketekonivel: well, as far as I'm concerned, I can use one on top of my lap without it falling between my legs. Works for me :-)16:03
ShadowJKoh maybe my ISP fixed packet loss16:03
tekonivelccooke: lol16:03
ccookemgedmin900: definitely16:04
jeremiahconboy FTW!16:05
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tekoniveloops gotta dash, cya!!16:05
mgedmin900conboy in extras-devel is broken!?!?16:06
qwerty12_N810Bye, tekonivel16:06
mgedmin900shouldnt't have upgraded16:06
ccookebroken things in -devel. Film at eleven ;-)16:06
jeremiah"Use your Maemo device as a Playstation 3 remote controller (In progress)"16:06
mgedmin900the one in extras worked well16:06
jeremiah^^ Blue Maemo16:06
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qwerty12_N810If anyone sees conny there, please tell him that installing a desktop file with an ".inactive" extension is an annoying PITA16:07
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qwerty12_N810I have to keep readding the shortcut to the desktop whenever I update it16:07
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sp3000bug? :)16:08
* sp3000 didn't get annoyed enough with that to file yet16:09
Lynoure whee, nice bluemaemo demo!16:09
qwerty12_N810Using ".inactive", I believe, is a workaround for some old-ass bug in some old Maemo but I don't think it's been needed since OS200816:09
* sp3000 has no idea16:09
qwerty12_N810And it's certainly an annoyance using it in Maemo 516:10
sp3000well there's always the "stop updating!" option :P16:10
mgedmin900disappearing icon = wtf16:11
sp3000what's broken?16:12
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mgedmin900anybody else hates the portrait/landscape transition animation?16:12
mgedmin900the screen is empty for too long16:13
jeremiahTuomas Kulve == Ogg support in maemo16:13
mgedmin900conboy works if I run it from xterm, not from desktop shortcut16:13
BluesLeehow do i add a repo to the application manager, for instance
BluesLeewebadress as above, distribution "deb", components "user"?16:14
mgedmin900addr ends with exras/16:16
mgedmin900distro is fremantle16:16
BluesLeemgedmin900: and then?16:16
sp3000...or find an .install file16:16
mgedmin900components are not under pool/ so you don't see them here16:16 uses 'free'16:17
jeremiahBluesLee: You want to enable "extras" in diablo?16:17
BluesLeeno extras in the sdk16:18
jeremiahAh, extras in the SDK, okay16:18
* pupnik thinks drm in maemo is good16:18
BluesLeehe says updating, but he doesnt16:18
jeremiahAre you hoping to install an app from extras or do you just want to develop an app?16:19
* mgedmin900 pulls out flaming torch and pitchfork16:19
JosefAssadchrist almighty, just TRYING to reproduce the account creation problem is pure hell16:19
BluesLeejeremiah: i hope to be able to install one, is there a problem?16:20
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jeremiahBluesLee: The link I posted describes how to enable extras on your device.16:20
* sp3000 puts on his robe and wizard hat16:20
jeremiahI will look for info regarding the SDK and extras, but if you are familiar with /etc/apt/sources.list it is trivial16:21
* qwerty12_N810 puts on a gimp suit16:21
jeremiahBluesLee: If you are not familiar with apt and debian and repos, it is a tiny bit harder.16:21
BluesLeejeremiah: okay, i will try that, its much easier16:22
jeremiahBluesLee: Cool16:22
mgedmin900ah, conboy was confused because it was running when I upgraded16:24
mgedmin900closed old window and it works fine now16:24
lopzgm ;)16:25
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BluesLeejeremiah: cool, works well16:26
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BluesLeejeremiah: the app manager regrets to install anything here, but apt-get works well16:30
mgedmin900itym refuses16:32
Mekhmm... I'm reading some mailing list post that says that to get a standalone application to appear as a home applet, you sohuld simply set the _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE to _HILDON_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_HOME_APPLET; but if I do that and I start that application, the screen momentarily flashes black, and the window doesn't become visible anywhere...16:33
JosefAssadok, fuck it16:33
JosefAssadI'm just going to confirm the bug and SCREW reporting a workflow16:33
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* JosefAssad is trying not to get mad16:34
qwerty12_N810JosefAssad: Get mad: Take the hint; they don't want you :p16:34
JosefAssadqwerty12_N810: I would believe that now16:36
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detroTo every one got an N900: don't "dist-upgrade"16:38
* tekonivel is now officially fanboi16:38
detroit bricks it16:38
tekoniveljust ordered an N900 from Aikon flagship store16:39
tekonivelwhat's the initiation rite?16:39
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detrobtw, anyone know WHY dist-upgrade brick N900?16:39
detroI'm sure is something stupid that I don't know about16:40
zgold_can you use n900s control point to render on another device16:40
detrobut an answer would make it more clear16:40
JosefAssadjeremiah: best I could do:
qwerty12_N900detro: Do (did) you have the SDK repo added by any chance?16:41
tekonivelzgold_: via X11?zgold_: do you mean X1116:41
detroyep: Extras, Extras-Devel and Extras-testing16:41
JosefAssadwell. "Best" was the step by step I wrote documenting how to create an account, but the browser crashed16:41
detroHow much stupid I'm?16:41
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qwerty12_N900detro: Ah, I wouldn't use it with extras-devel added. Different versions of ligbrr16:42
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qwerty12_N810* libraries are found there quite often16:43
fralschances are it updated some lib one of the nokia binaries depended on and broke compability and now that service/whatever wont start16:43
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pupnik_bleh.  /me haets identd16:43
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detroI figured out it was "not to do" when during the installation of the packages, I could see a lot of "removing *osso*"16:43
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detroor "removing *-hildon-*16:44
detrothat sounded pretty bad :D16:44
qwerty12_N900pupnik_: I see it is working well for you :p16:44
qwerty12_N900And I need to get a fucking Tab key16:44
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pupnikqwerty12_900 yeah tab...16:46
pupnikhad to adduser pupnik16:46
qwerty12_N900I can't believe they put it in the extra symbols thing :)16:46
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pupniki trust their market research.16:48
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pupnikbut now my thimbs need to learn a new layout16:49
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tekonivelmust get adblock on n900, otherwise endless wrong clicks and cpu hogging advertisement16:52
* qwerty12_N900 has once again betrayed MicroB for Tear16:52
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zerojayI just used the hosts files for that.16:55
zerojayWorks great.16:55
tekonivelzerojay: loads of work16:56
tekonivelzerojay: otoh, once you've blocked the 100 most usual sites, you've already blocked most of the crap16:57
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mgedmin900walking is disruptive to my irc17:00
mgedmin900ip addr changes, xchat doesn't care17:01
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tekonivelmgedmin900: speech<-irc->speech soon pls17:01
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mgedmin900no speech during talks17:02
mgedmin900typing is quiet17:03
zerojaytekonivel: What work? Download one file, cat filename >> hosts, you're done. Takes 10 seconds.17:03
tekonivelmgedmin900: thinking<-irc->thinking plsk?17:03
tekonivelzerojay: i guess17:04
zerojayAnd the best thing about it is 0 extra CPU use.17:05
tekonivelzerojay: plus u can script it. you forgot f.ex. copy/paste url, sudo and rm file17:05
zerojayNo, I didn't. :)17:06
tekonivelzerojay: depending how you figure out the url naturally... view page source->vgrep->select->copy etc....  arg i don't wanna do that17:06
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zerojayWhat are you talking about?17:06
tekonivelvgrep=visual grep=unpleasant work17:06
tekonivelzerojay: maybe we speak of different things perhaps?17:07
tekonivelzerojay: i want to stop flash-ads17:07
zerojayYeah, I'm getting that feeling.17:07
tekonivelzerojay: in browser17:07
zerojayDownload a hosts file. You'll never see them.17:07
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tekonivelzerojay: oh, you mean a readymade /etc/hosts file from someone who already did all the work?17:08
tekonivelzerojay: that's a more reasonable approach17:08
tekonivelzerojay: they tune to block your local flash ad-servers17:08
zerojayYou just cat the file to  your /etc/hosts after stripping any localhost part and bam... all done.17:08
zerojayThey block anything on all ad servers, pretty much.17:09
tekonivelzerojay: yea, that's more reasonable than start from scratch17:09
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SpeedEviltekonivel: flashblock?17:13
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Mekhow do I make a screenshot of my n900?17:15
* Jaffa thinks the opena/closed device stuff in harmattan could make our efforts on community QA useless17:15
JosefAssadI can reproduce behavior looking like a bug using scratchbox/SDK but there's a chance it's X that's at fault. Is this something we want in b.m.o?17:15
JaffaMmm, lag17:15
qwerty12_N810Mek: Ctrl+Shift+P or just install the load-applet17:16
Mekokay, thanks17:17
Jaffaqwerty12_N810: Ctrl-Shift-P built in? Cool17:17
qwerty12_N810Yep :)17:17
javispedroJosefAssad: let me guess.... wrong colors?17:18
JosefAssadjavispedro: No no, I've already hear about that one. :)17:19
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JosefAssadjavispedro: I can file a duplicate if you insist :p17:19
mgedmin900shame ctrl-shift-p shows no notification17:19
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JosefAssadjavispedro: I suspect it's unique because it gives me a log entry with a misspelling. On google, an error message typo is like gold. I can't find anything even remotely related on google17:20
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zerojayWhy my 9 year old knows what the walk of shame is, I don't know.17:21
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fralszerojay: lol17:21
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zerojayHe said he knew what it was so I said "oh yeah, what is it?"17:21
zerojay"It's when you have sex and..."17:22
zerojay"WHOA WHOA WHOA..."17:22
SpeedEvilThe 4chan generation17:22
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zerojayAnd just said that I'm gay for his mom.17:23
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Jaffazerojay: You are *so* gay for his mom17:25
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zerojayJaffa: Tell me about it.17:27
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JaffaLocation framework seems well-designed17:28
SpeedEvil np: Goldie Lookin' chain - a certain track.17:29
zerojaySpeedEvil: Don't.17:29
zerojayLatest Mauku beta all fucked up for anyone else?17:30
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tekonivelzerojay: i  would be happier if microblogging and messaging were integrated into the framework, not as separate apps like mauku. apps are so last season :^)17:32
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zemmhost-blocking doesn't block site's internal ads.. plus theres other uses for adblock, to block desired _content_ when needed (not hosts)17:38
zerojaytekonivel: I would be as well.17:39
zerojayzemm: I don't know of any sites that use internal ads, honestly.17:39
* SpeedEvil needs to get on with his compressor.17:40
zemmwell, the point being that there is justification for element-level blocking besides hosts17:40
SpeedEvil(for web content)17:40
SpeedEvilAlso - the somewhat growing tendancy to inline images17:40
JosefAssada bug looking like this: would that be against the SDK or something in Hildon?17:40
SpeedEvilwhich is annoying17:40
zemmi remember to have blocked many internal ads17:40
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zerojayqwerty12_N810: Got Xchat for Fremantle laying around?17:42
qwerty12_N810zerojay: There should be a straight build of the Diablo one, thanks to mgedmin, in extras-devel17:42
qwerty12_N810I'll be updating it soon with one that's a little more Fremantle-friendly17:43
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tigertcall me oldskool, but ssh + screen + irssi = <317:44
qwerty12_N810<- GUI whore17:44
zerojay<- whore17:44
* mgedmin900 should've learned irssi when he was still young17:44
zerojayI like irssi.17:45
zerojayExtras-devel seems to be down.17:45
mgedmin900hey, is down?17:45
zemmlearn irssi? isn't it the most simplest and intuitive client there is? oO17:45
zerojayNew update for Mauku available. 2.0 beta 4-update2.17:45
tigertits not about gui for me really17:46
zerojayAnd it just crashed my entire tablet while installing. lol17:46
zerojayMy first N900 reboot in 4 weeks.17:46
tigertits about having a connection up and attacheable when i feel like it17:46
* zemm cannot think alternatives to have irssi running 24/7 and using the same app from every machine at hand <317:47
javispedromgedmin900: up here.17:47
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SpeedEvilzemm: it is shiny17:47
zerojayAnd now that I can talk...17:49
* qwerty12_N810 sees he needs to make XChat's Maemo-Icon-26 48x4817:49
pupniki need to use the bugtracker more17:49
zerojayThe reason why I was pissed at Eldar is because he was claiming the N900 was really unstable... whereas I only just now crashed my N900 for the first time since getting it 4 weeks ago.17:49
* qwerty12_N810 has only ever filed one Maemo bug17:49
zerojayWith HEAVY use.17:49
zerojayNokia's going to be getting back one worn out N900 in September 2010. lol17:50
pupniki got one stuck screen in app menu 1st day17:50
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* mgedmin900 broke hildon-desktop17:50
zerojayI've had app crashes, but never the entire phone.17:50
SpeedEvilzerojay: hard crash?17:50
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Nokia is gonna get back a dummy from me :p17:50
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zerojaySpeedEvil: Yeah, just crashed right now when installing the Mauku update.17:51
luke-jrtigert: Quassel ftw?17:51
luke-jrzemm: no, irrsi isn't simple nor intuitive. plus, it's GTK, so fails17:51
SpeedEvilzerojay: stable hardware ++17:51
qwerty12_N810luke-jr: Qt. No thanks17:51
zerojaySpeedEvil: Not bad for prototype hardware on unfinished firmware.17:53
zerojayqwerty12_N810: Love it when extras-devel is down right when I need it. Heh.17:54
qwerty12_N810Extras-devel has been rather tempermental lately :/17:55
Corsacsince when is irssi gtk+?17:56
zemmluke-jr: well i host irssi-clients in my home server and have many girls that don't use computers other than to browse web and irc, and it takes about 10minutes to learn how to get putty and use irssi+screen17:56
mgedmin900app menu is no longer scrollable for me17:56
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zemmand none of them have complained since or moaned after gui-clients17:56
qwerty12_N810Corsac: I believe it has a GTK gui, as an afterthought, but, as usual, luke-jr misses the point17:56
zerojayzemm: You must be lying. You went too far when you said "many girls".17:57
zerojayjk. ;)17:57
Corsacirssi just rocks anyway17:57
zemmso i'd say it's simple enough.. and the freedom to take whatever computer and connect to the client as it was when you left it17:57
zerojayirssi is a good program... just not sure I want it on a screen this small though.17:57
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mgedmin900microb's 'try again' button in server not found error page is not finger friendly17:57
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qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: Seen the addons window?17:58
zerojayHeh.. still unskinned.17:58
mgedmin900don't remind me17:58
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mgedmin900hey, re bricking the n900: are there prerelease firmware images for flashing it?17:58
mgedmin900or should we be *really* careful?17:59
Mekdon't brick it :P17:59
zerojayYes, but they are encrypted to each of us that got prerelease hardware.17:59
qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: I'm still waiting for the firmware you guys have >.>17:59
zerojayAnd we're behind those at Summit.17:59
qwerty12_N810Effin' Summit...17:59
zerojayLast firmware we got was 39-9.17:59
zerojayWhat do you guys have?17:59
MekVersion 1.2009.41-10?18:00
javispedroI wounder what would happen if you hammered your loaned n900?18:00
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hunter007Hi all18:01
qwerty12_N810javispedro: I'd blame it on you and send the Nokia men in suits in your direction18:01
zerojayMek: That's what you have?18:01
javispedroqwerty12_N810: you forgot I STILL DON'T HAVE AN N900.18:01
qwerty12_N810javispedro: "I was testing DrNokSnes..."18:02
Mekzerojay: yeah18:02
hunter007Somebody know if exists, some personal wiki for maemo...18:02
zerojayWhat's that one again... twidilywiki or something?18:03
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javispedroqwerty12_N810: and the gods decided to hammer your N900 for that :)18:03
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hunter007zerojay: yep, but not with html...18:05
* Konttori_n900 is happy as a clam now that xchat is ported to fremantle!18:05
zerojayKonttori_n900: Gotta ask you about wiicontrol. I can't get it to work... the wiicontrol app just keeps dying.18:06
Konttori_n900enable bluetooth first18:06
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zerojayIt was.18:07
javispedroAt least I don't have to give my soul back to Nokia in 6 months, as you all conspirators did ;)18:07
zerojayjavispedro: A year for me.18:07
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Konttori_n900then, when it starts, prsess the 1+2 quickly. you have about 5 secs to pair. otherwise it dies.18:07
Konttori_n900i know it's an issue atm. will work when have time.18:08
zerojaypython dies.18:08
Konttori_n900problem is that gtk mainloop doesn't start nicely.18:08
zerojayDoesn't even get to that point.18:08
zerojayarguments to dbus_connection_get_data() were incorrect, assertion "connection != NULL" failed in file dbus-connection.c line 575718:09
Maceri have to re-install this touchbook os18:09
zerojayThis is normally a bug in some application using the dbus library18:09
Macerguess it isn't a good thing to update the pkgs on it :)18:09
zerojayAborted (core dumped).18:09
zerojayKonttori_n900: The other app... Wiiwhatever.. I can pair with and it works with fine showing my wiimote input.18:10 works fine.18:11
zerojaywiicontrol does not.18:11
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mgedmin900numpty physics totally not ready for fremantle18:11
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zerojayNeither is xchat. lol18:12
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hunter007I want to send one ITP , but what is the mail-list...18:14
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javispedroIntent to Package?18:15
javispedroThis is Maemo. Unless it's a system library, just do it.18:15
javispedroWell, check if nobody did it before, of course.18:15
hunter007but, is necessary make to know... similar to Debian...18:16
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javispedronot necessary.18:17
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zerojay_N900just do it.18:17
hunter007ok, but exists some mail-lists about this aims18:18
qwerty12_N810If you don't want to do it yourself, ask on Someone may help but there certainly is no obligation for anyone to do so.18:19
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hunter007well, I packaged for Debian... I though it was similar...18:20
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javispedrotools are similar to debian etch. policy is different.18:20
* mgedmin900 wants maemo-mapper18:20
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CorsacI read maemo-paper18:21
javispedroWHO said you couldn't write your thesis in a small keyboard!?18:21
javispedrolet maemo write it for you!18:21
Macerjavispedro: i used to do that with my n95 + su8w + quickoffice18:22
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Macerworked great18:22
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Maceralthough n95 only had bt printing18:22
Macersure wish you could network print with it but i think that was asking too much of symbian heh18:23
zerojayPeople still use paper?18:23
zerojayI don't think I've printed out anything since... like... 2002.18:23
Macerzerojay: someitmes i think professors grade you on the grade of paper you use18:23
hunter007ok, thanks18:23
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Go back to school, or something ;P18:23
Macerone day i turned in a paper on this nice cotton fiber paper18:24
Macerwhich i thihnk was written at a lower quality but the paper was a better quality.. got an A on that one18:24
qwerty12_N810I've maxed out my printing credits 3 times already, and I've only been at college a few weeks18:24
Jaffahunter007: jeremiah has set up an ITP system, but no-one is using it18:24
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Macerand before i wrote a great paper with normal paper and got an A-18:24
Maceri guess presentation matters more than content sometimes18:25
Jaffahunter007: As said, just package it and upload it to extras:
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hunter007Jaffa: thanks a lot!18:26
Jaffahunter007: np18:26
detrois Qt Arena online yet?18:26
detrothe child in me is looking forward to it :D18:27
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detrosorry :D Quake Arena :D18:34
detroI'm really into Qt those days :P18:34
mgedmin900browser back button is too slow for my taste18:34
mgedmin900it actually redownloads the page18:34
jeremiahmgedmin900: Yeah, that is kinda weird18:34
mgedmin900despite my increasing ram cache to 20 megs18:34
zerojayI use the gesture swipe from right to left.. I pick a site..I don't see it redownloading anything.18:35
jeremiahNot sure how I feel about the browser really.18:35
jeremiahzerojay: Yeah, I also had that experience18:35
jeremiahdespite the documentation saying it should work.18:35
* zerojay closes as WORKSFORME18:36
mgedmin900maemo summit schedule18:36
jeremiahhunter007: Yeah, the ITP thingy is almost complete - soon going to start spamming people about it.18:36
mgedmin900could be http cache control headers18:36
mgedmin900it's a wiki after all18:37
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javispedrojeremiah: ouch. bad me, then. will be like what's described on ?18:39
hunter007jeremiah: it sounds great... yeah, I hope spamming too18:39
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Maemo EATS! - 6 members. lol18:43
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mgedmin900transitioncontrol doesn't show up in my app menu, why?18:45
jeremiahjavispedro: I am not sure, but we can make it like that. :)18:45
jeremiahhunter007: :) Great. I _have_ to finish it this month, so you'll see some spam soon.18:45
jeremiahjavispedro: Yeah, it will be like that link (I think I wrote that.)18:46
Jaffamgedmin900: Settings18:46
jeremiahJust to let people know what I had hoped to do18:46
jeremiahthe pirate bay!18:47
qwerty12_N810You had hoped to do etrunko?18:48
zerojaywocka-chica-wocka-chica.. dun dun.... dundunDUN... *moan*18:49
jeremiahI had hoped to do the pirate bay :P18:49
mgedmin900Jaffa: it's not there either18:50
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Jaffamgedmin900: doh18:50
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mgedmin900hm uninstalling maemo5-load-applet made the brightness applet disappear too18:51
zerojayWhy do so many little dialogs come up with text highlighted?18:51
zerojayEspecially about dialog boxes.18:51
mgedmin900it looked like the statusbar thingy crashed and restarted18:51
qwerty12_N810mgedmin900: It doesn't come with a brightness applet, unless you installed my clone of Diablo's default one...18:51
mgedmin900I had installed the 'simple brightness applet' yes18:52
Jaffazerojay: I see it mostly in Mauku. *Apparently* it's a toolkit bug; but I'm not sure it's not dev error. Text is apprently selected for copying18:52
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qwerty12_N810Jaffa: Every application using a GtkAboutDialog has the title highlighted. I don't think that can be attributed to dev error :)18:53
javispedrowow. Qt Creator is great.18:54
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pupnik_playing with sdk javispedro?18:55
javispedronope, native qt creator.18:55
Jaffajavispedro: I'm going to play with it on my return18:55
javispedrothe final sdk is great too :)18:55
Jaffa...on a GNOME desktop :-/18:55
javispedroJaffa: metoo. Who knows I'll end up switching to KDE ;)18:55
* qwerty12_N810 would rather jump off a cliff than switch to KDE18:56
javispedrowhat's X-Chat equivalent in KDE?18:56
qwerty12_N810Although, Nautilus has to be worse than explorer.exe18:56
sulxfor every DE ;)18:56
javispedroqwerty12_N810: of the funniest things of Interix is being able to write "killall explorer.exe"18:57
qwerty12_N810I keep typing "rm, ls, etc" in a Command Prompt :)18:57
javispedroqwerty12_N810: then you want Interix. or Cygwin... :)18:58
qwerty12_N810Yes, I do. Thanks :)18:58
javispedrolol. :)18:58
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mgedmin900nautilus rules19:05
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mgedmin900modest bug? deleting multiple mails doesn't19:05
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KhertanHi again19:08
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GeneralAntillesHow is it that Modest's quoting is still totally broken?19:10
GeneralAntillesDo the Modest devs just not use email or something?19:10
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qwerty12_N810Answer: Because it's Modest19:10
* qwerty12_N810 uses it as an e-mail notifier only19:11
Khertanseems to work for me19:11
GeneralAntillesQuoting? :P19:11
GeneralAntillesI love it when Nokia's email from their devices.19:11
GeneralAntillesYou can't separate their text from the quoted text.19:11
Khertanyep or maybe i didn't use quote like you19:12
ccooke"Unable to receive or send19:13
* javispedro grumbles19:13
ccooketry again19:13
ccooke"Unable to receive or send new messages.\nDevice storage full.\nRemove data to free memory"19:13
ccookenow that's a bug :-)19:13
javispedrowith the 100MiB rootfs?19:14
Khertandoes there is an hildon expert near i ve strange things with gtksourceview in an hildon.PannableArea19:14
ccookerootfs is 256M19:14
javispedrofree space I mean.19:14
javispedro(probably even less with Qt libs in rootfs...)19:14
Khertansurely less19:15
ccookeoh dear19:15
javispedrothis makes me think. Qt is already in rootfs. which means Webkit is already in rootfs.19:15
ccookethe space gone is in /home/user/MyDocs/cities/diskcache19:15
qwerty12_N810javispedro: Bundyo is using maemo-optify19:15
javispedroqwerty12_N810: yeah, but I mean nokia is shipping both webkit and microb.19:15
pupnikmaemo-optify does what?19:15
ccookebug time :-)19:15
qwerty12_N810Ah, Harmattan...19:15
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javispedroqwerty12_N810: harmattan? fremantle!19:16
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qwerty12_N810Ah, time for me to put a .40 to my head19:16
javispedropupnik: maemo-optify edits .debs so that they install most files to /opt (2 GiB partition) instead of /usr...19:17
qwerty12_N810pupnik: /opt is a partition with 1GB available. You run it when you're packaging something to have files installed there in your deb19:17
Khertanby moving files to /opt and making sym links19:17
Khertanbut why make two fs and not a 2gb root ?19:18
mgedmin900different hw19:18
zerojaycause Stone Cold said so!19:18
mgedmin900firmware flashing issues etc.19:19
javispedronokia says 256 MiB NAND chip is faster.19:19
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Khertanah ok19:19
AStormit's not faster.19:19
Khertangood reason19:19
crashanddieasim: are you real? still at the summit?19:19
AStormbut jffs2 is better than any non-compressed FS19:19
mgedmin900huge threads on the ml about /opt19:19
javispedroAStorm: N900 uses UBIFS.19:19
AStormubifs is better still.19:20
AStormbut the raw chip is not faster19:20
javispedroAStorm: a employee said something along the lines that the onenand was "better connected".19:20
crashanddiekhertan: mec, any chance of having code completion in your python editor?19:20
KhertanUbisoftFS :) everythings in huge pk3 file :)19:20
Khertancrashanddie yeah i m thinking of doing it19:21
zerojayI'll tell my coworkers you said that. :)19:21
AStormjavispedro: doesn't matter, the chip is slower than the interconnect19:21
Khertanbut right now i must before completly refwrite the ui19:21
AStormMMC is via SPI, OneNAND is directly to CPU19:21
crashanddiekhertan a lot of work involved?19:21
AStormbut SPI is 2 Mbit anyway, so...19:21
Khertanzerojay lol19:21
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Khertanas it s unusable in fremantle19:22
Khertantoolbar take too much space19:22
Khertanscrolling is a pain19:22
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Khertanmenu unusa19:22
Khertanand some feature didn t work at all19:23
crashanddiekhertan: how about i think/work on the autocompletion while you take your time on the UI?19:23
Khertancrashanddie i think of a rewrite from scratch19:23
ccookeah ha, sorted19:23
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Khertanand right  now i m fighting with pannablearea and gtksourceview19:24
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Khertanas it do the scrolling and selection at the same time19:24
AStormjavispedro: hmmh? that's a "no-anwser"19:24
crashanddiekhertan: doesn't mean I can't write a lib that provides AC strings :P19:24
AStormhigh system load due to what? interrupts?19:24
AStormalso, likely only important with old kernel ;p19:25
javispedroold kernel?19:25
crashanddiekhertan: swipe your finger from out of the screen onto the screen19:25
javispedrothis msg is from last month.19:25
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AStormthe n900 kernel is already old19:25
AStormso, yeah.19:25
crashanddiekhertan: on the lower left corner of the screen19:25
crashanddiekhertan: gives you a mouse pointer for selection/dragging19:26
javispedroAStorm: well, if there have been changes to the kernel to fix that please post to -developers.19:26
AStormI'd have to test first19:27
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AStormw/o a device it's hard ;p19:27
Khertancrashanddie this work on the browser not in a simple gtksourceview in a pannablearea19:29
zerojay :)19:30
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qwerty12_N810Khertan: osso-xterm has a button that appears on the toolbar for selection when the pannable area contents increase if you want to steal some code19:31
Khertanqwerty yeah this is what i m trying to do19:31
crashanddiei'm drawing interface-agnostic19:32
Khertanbut gtksourceview doesn't seems to have settings to disable selection by dragging19:32
crashanddielemme check19:32
GeneralAntillesSomebody there needs to make xmodmap work.19:33
GeneralAntillesaSIMULAter, pills?!19:33
Khertancrashanddie where are you maybe i can show you directly on the nit19:33
qwerty12_N810Props to the first one to take a picture of a cannabis plant19:33
crashanddiecrap, indeed19:33
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javispedrothere's no free lunch.19:37
crashanddien900 room19:37
crashanddiekhertan: where you at?19:37
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GeneralAntilleszerojay, damnit, I was typing that out then I turned to page 2. :P19:38
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EspadaV8does anyone know if they'll be point releases for maemo 5?19:47
EspadaV8like... 5.1 that'll come with Qt4.619:47
EspadaV8or whatever19:47
SpeedEvil6.3 is based on winCE19:47
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FirebirdEspadaV8, "come with" ?19:49
EspadaV8that'll be a laugh19:49
EspadaV8Firebird: yeah, the 5 sdk has qt4.519:49
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zerojay_N900now mobile... yay.19:51
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zerojay_N900irc on the go, how i've missed you.19:52
qwerty12_N810Since I'm not at the Summit, a nice birthday present would be a TV-Out cable posted to me...19:54
Ceron^so any news on mamemo release date19:55
truso, anyone with a n900, can you comment on the batterylife?19:55
truis it as horrible as I have heard?19:55
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EspadaV8tru: i've found it to be good19:57
truhow good?19:57
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EspadaV8many-a hour19:58
JosefAssadI can't speak for the N900. I got an N96 and then experienced that the batter life was as shit as people said. Then I engaged my brain, switched of access point scanning and got 2 days to the charge. My point being, I expect it'll be fine.19:58
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EspadaV8had it on for about 2 days without charging19:58
EspadaV8with light-ish usage19:58
jaska2 days to the charge, lol19:58
iDialekt:( used the n90019:58
truEspadaV8: that's pretty good.19:58
iDialektNot as happy as I thought id be about it19:59
JosefAssadiDialekt: criticisms?19:59
EspadaV8iDialekt: how so?19:59
iDialektWell im aware that the software might not have been final19:59
iDialektIt's definitely a learning curve but some elements just felt poorly executed20:00
iDialektSuch as with the browser20:00
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iDialektWhat was shown/displayed on most of the videos may have been through a wifi connection and not actual 3g20:00
iDialektVideos/ flash support20:00
iDialektScreen was incredible20:01
iDialektPictures and text jump out at you20:01
iDialektThe portrait disable on the home screen bothered me. But it may not to developer and tech gurus20:01
JosefAssadoh, so streaming flash video was laggy/choppy over 3G?20:01
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iDialektJosefAssad: Correct20:02
microliththat screams network issue and not device issue to me :)20:02
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iDialektPages loaded really fast though20:02
JosefAssadiDialekt: if it's fine over wifi then I'd tend to think that isn't a software constraint20:02
zerojay_N900it is.20:02
iDialektAlthough I should tested wifi as well. I just wanted an accurate depiction of what id be getting20:02
iDialektSince I hardly use wifi20:03
iDialektzerojay_N900: Are you on the device right now?20:03
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zerojay_N900on a bus.20:03
iDialektI could have been too harsh on the device mainly because I probably was expecting replicate desktop performance20:03
iDialektWhich irc client are you using zerojay_N900 ?20:04
zerojay_N900heading to the mall.20:04
EspadaV8i find it annoying that it doesn't rotate20:04
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EspadaV8accept when you use the phone20:04
iDialektYes like it really really bothered me20:04
zerojay_N900no rotate makes me happy.20:04
zerojay_N900very happy.20:04
iDialektYou would think at the very least the homescreen would be portrait20:04
iDialektNaturally the way one holds a phone20:05
EspadaV8zerojay_N900: how come?20:05
iDialektWhile on the go and not just for calls20:05
|Rwell, my eyes see wider than up/down...20:05
zerojay_N900gets in the way.20:05
EspadaV8it's more natural to hold it portrait style20:05
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iDialektIm already sold on maemo 6 and I feel like skipping this device but I wanna give it a second chance20:05
zerojay_N900back in my pocket, n900!20:05
iDialektBut I was like "Meh"20:06
iDialektKeyboard felt a bit cramped towards the top too20:06
iDialektThe tap on a blank area of the screen and other little secret menus were like ... Bleh20:07
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JosefAssadgreat, now I gotta see if the Bosnian LUG has an IRC channel20:07
zerojay_N900what secret menus?20:08
iDialektLol ?20:08
iDialektNot secret but just certain elements you have to get used to20:08
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Firebirdwouldn't that be like every platform you pick up though?20:09
iDialektI guess. It was very symbian like in little ways20:09
iDialektFrom the look of the fonts20:09
SpeedEvilbeing like stuff isn't bad if it's what the user wants andis configurable20:10
Firebirdthey are nokia fonts20:10
SpeedEviland doesn't cause legal action20:10
iDialektResistive was the best screen in that format I've used20:10
iDialektSo smooth20:10
iDialektBut still hard to register in certain places20:10
iDialektCertain elements looked made for a stylus20:11
EspadaV8yeah, i'd rather it wasn't resistive20:11
iDialektKeep in mind im just reporting my opinion.20:11
EspadaV8but it's their best touch screen so far20:11
iDialektI had high hopes for the device but it might be a little too pda focused even for a geek like me20:12
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EspadaV8after having it for the past week, i'm pretty sure i'm going to buy one20:13
EspadaV8even at £47020:13
Firebirdtoo pda focused? It is after all, internet tablet/computer first, phone last20:15
Ronaldo38741Between N810 for £70 and N900 for £470, I went for the former20:16
EspadaV8n810 doesn't have a phone though20:16
zemmcan someone with the device confirm if (eg) the scandinavian keyboard layout is switchable to the generic one (full arrow keys)?20:16
EspadaV8and i'd rather have them bother in one20:16
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Ronaldo38741Is it quad-band?20:17
SpeedEvilRonaldo38741: yes20:17
SpeedEvilRonaldo38741: however quadbanddoesn't alwasy imply much about 3g20:17
Ronaldo38741I was asking because I move around a lot20:18
SpeedEvilIt depends what areas you're in20:18
Ronaldo38741Europe/North America/Japan mostly20:18
Ronaldo38741Wi-fi works everywhere, so I stick to that20:19
GeneralAntillesiDialekt, it's a mobile computer, not a phone.20:20
GeneralAntillesiDialekt, do you use portrait on your computer? :)20:20
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iDialektGeneralAntilles: Glad you clarified that20:21
iDialektI wonder how symbian 4 is going to be20:22
SmackPotatvagalume wont work on my 770 after i payed for the service . it works ok on n810 and20:22
mgedmin900okay, I think wifi here is misconfigured20:22
mgedmin900aps with same essid20:22
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mgedmin900but on different lans20:22
SmackPotati get a message box nothing left to play20:23
mgedmin900so when you move, n900 reassociates, but doesn't ask for a new dhcp address20:23
mgedmin900leaving you w/o a working connection20:23
Ceron^anyone got an n900 and can take screenshots of mail for exchane in use20:24
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GeneralAntillesmgedmin900, nice.20:25
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GeneralAntillesiDialekt, you may need to change the way you think about using your mobile device for an N900.20:25
GeneralAntillesiDialekt, but I can almost guarantee you it will be worth it. :)20:25
SpeedEvilOr just stick with the iphone.20:25
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iDialektProbably. Not sure because I really enjoyed the e90 but that was probably still more of a phone20:26
iDialektBut maemo 6 already sounds more promising with portrait and capacitive but that's a long ways away20:26
iDialektIt's all down to personal preference. What may be right for some may not be right for another20:27
Firebirdreally? capacitive was confirmed?20:27
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iDialektFrom the slides it looked like it20:28
EspadaV8maemo 6 does sound good20:28
EspadaV8although i like Qt, so i'm a bit biased20:29
EspadaV8just glad that 5 includes Qt too20:29
mgedmin900yep, multitouch in harmatan20:29
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Firebirdtotally rules out stantum technology?20:30
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Firebirdseems like the better choice if they were sticking with 800x48020:30
Firebirdmultitouch resistive panel20:31
qwerty12_N810Building XChat on the N900 is sloooow20:31
GAN800Firebird, yeah, I don't get it.20:31
microlithqwerty12_N810: building it -on- the N900?20:31
tank-manbecause he can :)20:32
GAN800iDialekt, now, you do realize that developers are free to implement portrait in Maemo 5, right?20:32
qwerty12_N810microlith: Yep20:32
microlithqwerty12_N810: cool, good to know you can load gcc on the device :)20:33
GAN800Nokia should even be releasing a portrait update for the browser at some point.20:33
EspadaV8:-) i hope they do20:33
EspadaV8why would you build on the device, that'd just trash the on-board flash20:34
qwerty12_N810EspadaV8: /opt20:34
GAN800Somebody could even do a portrait h-i-m plugin and patch the open source Nokia applications.20:34
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qwerty12_N810GAN800: Already been done20:34
qwerty12_N810(A portrait keyboard)20:34
EspadaV8i wonder if they'll (nokia) will build their own GUI for 6, or just use something like KDE and strip it down20:36
EspadaV8- 'll20:36
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iDialektGAN800: For the os itself and not just applications?20:37
GAN800Repurposing somebody elses stuff wont work.20:37
GAN800iDialekt, define "os".20:37
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rangeI think the kernel doesn't care :)20:38
* GAN800 wants the new damn firmware.20:38
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iDialektMaybe I meant elements of the operating system maybe the ui ?20:38
iDialektLike desktop, etc20:38
GAN800Hildon Desktop is open, so that can be patched.20:38
rangeiDialekt: In my opinion there are too many open problems with that. Like: what happens to widgets when rotating?20:38
iDialektRange: great point but wouldn't they just align differently maybe resolution somehow shrink to fit in size?20:39
iDialektLike for the screen itself20:39
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iDialektIs xchat on maemo similar to xchat aqua like the desktop client?20:41
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iDialektAnd that took what? 30 seconds20:46
iDialektHaha wow20:46
rangeUh, I'm on someone's screenshot :)20:46
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krig_hey, anyone know what I need to do to get emacs/emacsclient working from inside the scratchbox?20:47
Ceron^me too \o/20:47
Firebirdoh... no wonder I can't test SDL GLES... X86 SDK has no gles libs20:48
iDialektI really wanna switch back to tmobile either way20:48
qwerty12_N810krig_: I do not know,  but the Maemo 4 Developers' Guide has a section dedicated to it20:48
iDialektAT&T I feel like a scumbag but they get the nam nokias20:48
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Ceron^GAN800: got a screenshot with irssi @ maemo5?20:50
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hcarreganice screenshot20:50
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javispedrobah, not even using a real X server instead of xephyr the blue colors go out.20:52
Firebirdjavispedro, fix the direct rendering yet? I haven't20:52
javispedroFirebird: I've tried pointing fremantle to my real X server, fixing auth and killing my wm. Guess what? still slow.20:52
javispedrostill slow and still blue colors.20:53
Firebirdgoing to install the SDK on a x86 machine later, maybe that will wokr20:53
javispedroFirebird: either way. GLX works.20:53
javispedro(of course since hildon-desktop is using it P)20:54
Firebirdyea, but not on my system :/20:54
Firebirdits, using mesa20:54
javispedroah, ok.20:54
javispedrobut that should be enough for sdl port.20:55
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gomiamno hoy21:01
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hcarregadu u have more screenshots?21:08
javispedroFirebird: yes!21:08
javispedrodamn nvidia and their propietary gl lib21:08
javispedrobut it works now!21:08
javispedrono Xephyr (since I have old version it seems) but Xorg.21:09
javispedrohello from my accelerated and ultra fluid x86 hildon desktop.21:09
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Firebirdjavispedro, how'd you do that?21:10
javispedrook, now I can at least SEE the parallex effect in the background.21:10
FirebirdI tried running a separate X server on :2, but it was still laggy21:10
javispedroFirebird: replacing mesa gl lib with nvidia's :)21:10
javispedroyou gave me the idea lol21:10
javispedrothe color swap bug is still here21:11
javispedroso it means it's not xephyr's fault21:11
Firebirdyou replaced the gl libs inside scratchbox?21:11
javispedrowith 32 bit equivalents21:12
Firebirdwhere's the scratchbox usr/lib folder21:13
javispedroFirebird: /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/lib21:13
javispedrodoes anyone remember how to prevent hildon from fiddling with xcursor? it's hiding it, and it sucks.21:14
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javispedrooh well, at least I get a 1px wide cursor.21:16
Firebirdjavispedro, still no direct rendering, glxinfo on the :2 shows no direct rendering without the maemo SDK thing running21:16
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Firebirdtime to go rebuild the old x86 box21:16
javispedroFirebird: unless yo uhave xinerama,21:16
javispedroyou have to kill the primary X server to get DRI on the second one.21:17
javispedro(and even with xinerama in some oldie cards like mine)21:17
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javispedroFirebird: it's not anything x86 related.21:17
javispedros/x86/"ia32 vs amd64"21:18
javispedrohi woglinde21:19
javispedrowhat I don't know is: if sbox ships with a mesa GL lib, does that mean no one with a nvidia is getting hw accelerated fremantle?21:19
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Firebirdjavispedro, you mean I have to kill the :0 server?21:21
Firebirdeh, I'll pass on that21:21
woglindejavis whats the problem?21:21
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javispedrowoglinde: trying to get hw accelerated x86 fremantle sdk.21:21
Firebirdgoing to try a dedicated SDK setup on :0 on the other box21:21
woglindejavispedro hm21:22
javispedroFirebird: that's what I'm doing right now.21:22
javispedro(running from :0 at 800x600x16)21:22
woglindejavis I rather guess not with xephyr21:22
EspadaV8GAN800: what repo is xchat in?21:22
EspadaV8i can't see it in the app manager21:23
Firebirdbah, I need to get myself a bios saver thingy, the good 486 board's bios is dead :(21:23
woglindefirebird hm use coreboot?21:25
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javispedrowoglinde: so, you think no one using the SDK is getting hw accel?21:26
javispedrowhy does the release notes make reference to "slowness using intel gma" then? :P21:27
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Firebirdwoglinde, thought that only worked on a very limited number of bios chips?21:28
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* EspadaV8 lies21:33
EspadaV8i can see it now :)21:33
woglindeFirebird maybee you are lucky have such a chip21:34
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Shapeshifterhuh, there's a way to hw accellerate the SDK?21:35
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EspadaV8but now... on with some coding21:37
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ShapeshifterI wonder if it matters in terms of speed and battery consumption if I write in python instead of C.21:38
Shapeshifterfor apps without much actual data processing.21:38
woglindere javis21:38
javispedrore wog (just rebooted)21:38
woglindejust for fun?21:38
EspadaV8Shapeshifter: unlikely21:38
javispedrowoglinde: maemo is sooo boring as a desktop operating system ;) , back to debian.21:39
EspadaV8C might be _slightly_ better, but i doubt you'd be able to tell21:39
woglindehm debian is no desktop system *g*21:39
Shapeshifterit's so much easier and quicker to write in python >.>21:39
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Shapeshifterand safer21:40
timelessanyone around21:42
* qwerty12_N810 heralds the power of the mighty HildonButton21:42
timelessi want to catch dinner w/ people21:42
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: less likely to leak, less likely to contain hidden bugs.21:42
Shapeshifterless likely to be evil21:42
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EspadaV8Shapeshifter: ah, if it's that bad though, the OS should catch it and kill it21:44
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ShapeshifterEspadaV8: well yeah, if it explodes. but I just hate it when I make stupid mistakes somewhere and then it just says "Segmentation faul*21:45
EspadaV8ah, lol21:46
EspadaV8i get that all the time :-D21:46
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Shapeshifterhow do you people make password dialogs? new window, or a popup? but I haven't found a way of creating a pop up that contains two text entries and a checkbox (for "remeber")21:50
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Shapeshifterand the old password dialog is deprecated apparently.21:50
EspadaV8Shapeshifter: in python?21:50
EspadaV8in my Qt app it 'just worked'21:50
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: no, C. but doesn't matter. in hildon ^^21:50
javispedroFirebird: : GLX and DRI passthrough for Xephyr.21:50
* EspadaV8 hates saying that21:50
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javispedroso as I guessed my Xephyr version is too old :(21:51
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: yeah but I mean, how - semantically - do you ask for it? pop up, window...21:51
EspadaV8QDialog* popup;
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: and that's one of those that will pop up from the bottom in maemo5?21:51
timelessrandom pointers donn't support method calls21:51
Firebirdjavispedro, eh, doesn't work here, I have xorg-server 1.6 too21:52
EspadaV8and there should be a  = new QDialog() too21:52
JosefAssadanyone know how well maemo 5 does syncml? Got my own funambol server21:52
EspadaV8but... whatever ;-)21:52
javispedroFirebird: too? I have r7.3 .21:52
EspadaV8Shapeshifter: i've find that everything i've written in Qt for the desktop worked on the n900 too21:52
javispedro(the wonders of debian stable)21:52
Firebirdjavispedro, was referencing that it says it has it in 1.521:53
EspadaV8only minor change i had to make was the key code for the enter key21:53
javispedroFirebird: ah, Ic.21:53
Firebirdwonder if its possible to hotflash a bios on a different machine once its booted into dos21:54
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: yeah but, does it look lke proper hildon21:54
javispedroFirebird: did you try stupid cmd line args launching xephyr, like "+extension GLX" or "-accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer" ?21:54
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EspadaV8Shapeshifter: mhmm21:54
EspadaV8except i use a custom stylesheet in my app21:55
Firebirdjavispedro, -accel isn't an option21:55
EspadaV8Shapeshifter: if you're writing a new app, it'd strongly recommend using Qt21:55
EspadaV8it's a really nice framework21:55
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: sure, I like Qt. I also like python! But now I'm writing a small app in C and gtk+ to learn something new ;)21:56
Shapeshifterqt is win21:56
* EspadaV8 backs away from Gtk21:56
Firebirdhopefully I don't die from inhaling all this dust from this abandoned old hardware21:56
Macerscrew python21:57
Maceri hope the developer of python dies a horrible death and rots eternally in hell21:57
Shapeshifteryeah okay.21:58
qwerty12_N810Firebird: Lol, I breathed in a shitton when I used an old computer from ~2000 to softmod an old xbox from ~2002...21:58
Shapeshifteranyway, does anyone know how to combine text entries and a checkbox in a pop up?21:58
Shapeshifterif I just make a GtkDialog, will that look properly in hildon?22:00
ShapeshifterI guess so, as the WM should do it.22:00
luke-jrGTK sucks22:00
luke-jrWM doesn't do anything with dialogs22:00
Shapeshifterwhy not? since when...22:00
Shapeshifteron a zenity dialog22:01
Shapeshifterthe WM should recognize dialogs thanks to NET_WM22:02
Shapeshifterso, matchbox *could* recognize these and show them as popups from below as the others22:02
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javispedroShapeshifter: GtkDialog is in fact the preffered way to do dialogs.22:03
javispedroHildonDialog was deprecated iirc.22:03
Shapeshifterjavispedro: yes it is. okay, I'll use that. So it *will* show up properly? I mean, popping up from below and all that22:03
luke-jrjavispedro: no, Qt122:04
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Shapeshifteryeah we all love Qt.22:04
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javispedroQt is still in the making. I don't know if the shipped version has any of the gimmicks.22:04
javispedroBlessedQtMaemo I mean22:04
woglindejavis ????22:05
javispedrowoglinde: I mean I don't know if the qt 4.5 as shipped on the device is 100% integrated with the hildon style.22:06
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javispedroand that the one demoed was qt 4.6, which is 2010.22:06
qwerty12_N810javispedro: There's a nice flamewar that sums that up...22:06
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EspadaV8woohoo :-)22:07
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EspadaV8i haev a group listing22:07
javispedroShapeshifter: of course it'll "popup correctly" since that's what the rest of apps use.22:07
Shapeshifterjavispedro: okay. I thought I had to use some hildon thing. But essentially, this works because of matchbox, doesn't it?22:08
EspadaV8soon... Qt will take over the world ;-)22:08
ShapeshifterI mean, matchbox recognizes that the dialog _is_ a dialog.22:08
Shapeshifterthere's nothing special about the gtk or anything.22:08
EspadaV8i'm trying to get people at the office to switch to Qt22:09
EspadaV8k, time to test this on the device22:09
javispedroThink so. At least bare GTK apps' dialogs "popup correctly".22:09
* EspadaV8 isn't looking forward to that22:11
Shapeshifterdebian packaging is annoying anyway.22:12
* Shapeshifter opts for switching to pacman for packaging! ^^22:13
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EspadaV8i've never created a package for anything before22:14
EspadaV8pacman? arch?22:14
EspadaV8are they easy to do?22:14
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b-man16happy b-day qwerty12_N810 :)22:16
qwerty12_N810Thank you, b-man16 :)22:16
* b-man16 is 17 tomorrow xD22:16
GeneralAntillesWait, is qwerty12_N810 18?!22:17
GeneralAntillesAh, congrats!22:18
qwerty12_N810Thanks :)22:18
GeneralAntillesCeron^, nope, but I can take one.22:18
GeneralAntillesActually, how do I change tabs in irssi with osso-xterm?22:18
qwerty12_N810b-man16: Be sure to change your nick :p22:19
Ceron^GeneralAntilles: thx22:19
b-man16qwerty12_N810: will do ;)22:19
Ceron^GeneralAntilles: i would want a screenshot of irssi @ this channel + mail for exchange in use22:19
Ceron^if possible :)22:20
Ceron^would be very greatful ;D22:20
GeneralAntillesHrm, qwerty12_N810, can I add alt to the osso-xterm bar?22:20
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javispedroqwerty12_N810: you should change yours too. congrats :)22:21
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qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: Alt_L should do it, but I don't think it'll hold :/22:21
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qwerty12_N810javispedro: Hehe, I've been using this one for years now. :p Thanks :)22:22
GeneralAntillesTime to generate scrollback.22:22
GeneralAntillesStupid weird irssi bugs.22:22
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FirebirdGeneralAntilles, does /window <number> work?22:23
* EspadaV8 sigs22:23
EspadaV8compiles seem to take longer and longer the more i add :(22:24
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GeneralAntillesCeron^, don't have any Exchange server to test with.22:25
Ceron^oki :P22:25
Ceron^i would have wanted a review how good mail of exchange works on the phone22:25
Ceron^because il be using it as a company phone22:25
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b-man16nice :)22:27
GeneralAntillesCeron^, I only use irssi as a proxy so it's in its ugly default config. ;)22:27
Ceron^its ok22:27
Ceron^i want to see it anyway22:27
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zemmGeneralAntilles: also ^n ^p to change windows22:28
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Firebirdwoa, when did that happen... Debian 5.022:31
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zerojay_N900just went hunting for a video out cable.22:36
Ceron^didnt the package include one22:37
zerojay_N900phone store guy flipped out when he saw my n900.22:37
Ceron^zerojay_N900: lol :D22:37
zerojay_N900i didn't get a package.22:37
Firebirddoes the video out go through the 3.5mm jack?22:37
Ceron^i got one of those cables22:37
FirebirdIn that case, I already have one of those cables22:37
Ceron^zerojay_N900: if you live in finland il lend you it22:37
zerojay_N900i don't.22:38
zerojay_N900has to be a nokia video out cable.22:38
Ceron^its the same cable22:38
zerojay_N900others won't work.22:38
GAN800zerojay, and? :P22:38
ShadowJKzerojay: flipped out :-)22:38
Ceron^its identical to the nokia one22:38
Firebirdreally, hm, might as well try if I ever get a N900 :D22:38
Ceron^what did the phone store guy do22:38
ShadowJKnokia uses the same vide out cable for a few other phones too22:39
GAN800zerojay, that's only half a story. :P22:39
zerojay_N900no cable... but made a groupie for life.22:40
EspadaV8Shapeshifter: getting one of those segfaults now :(22:40
zerojay_N900aw shit.22:40
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: must be fun.22:40
zerojay_N900he's following me around the mall.22:41
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Make sure that the guy isn't following you home...22:41
EspadaV8Shapeshifter: ph yeah, great fun :-S22:41
* GAN800 is a in crash city.22:41
GAN800zerojay's gonna end up dead in the changing rooms at the GAP22:42
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qwerty12_N810zerojay: If you've never felt the urge to buy a weapon before...22:44
Ceron^the phone store guy is going to mess him up!22:45
GAN800Why the hell does the spacebar scroll more than one page? <_<22:45
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GAN800Oh, and happy birthday, qwerty12. :P22:46
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qwerty12_N810GAN800: Thank you, once again :p22:47
GAN800Oh, and happy birthday, qwerty12. :P22:47
qwerty12_N810GAN800: Thank you, once again :p22:47
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GAN800I didn't say happy birthday earlier, did I?22:48
qwerty12_N810You said "Congrats"22:48
GeneralAntillesAh, I did, didn't I.22:48
GeneralAntillesOh, well, 3 is better than 1. :P22:48
zerojay_N900fuck fuck fuck22:48
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* GeneralAntilles has oldtimers.22:48
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GeneralAntilleszerojay_N900, call mall security?22:49
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zerojay_N900ducked into the dog show.22:49
zerojay_N900he was yelling out questions.22:49
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zerojay_N900how much ram?!?22:49
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GeneralAntillesThat's so weird.22:50
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GeneralAntillesWho the hell follows somebody around a mall asking about specs?22:50
zerojay_N900phone store dudes i guess.22:50
GeneralAntillesEspecially when the specs are on the website. <_<22:50
ShadowJKaren't those specs on the site22:50
qwerty12_N810"Hmm, I'll kill him and take his N900 if RAM > 256MB"22:50
GeneralAntilleszerojay_N900, take off your pacman hat. It'll reduce your visibility. :P22:50
* timeless ends up somewhere expensive for dinner22:50
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zerojay_N900on a bus going home now.22:51
GeneralAntillesDon't look behind you!22:51
qwerty12_N810Or the window beside you!22:51
zerojay_N900unless he's the t1000, im safe.22:51
microlithclose encounters of the nerd kind I suppose22:51
Shapeshiftertimeless: I fear I said this before; Visit "snackbar bird" near the red light district. superb thai food for cheap.22:51
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zerojay_N900oh hey, open link in mauku works now.22:52
ShapeshifterDoes someone know how to align hildon_captions? hildon_caption_set_label_alignment () takes a float. don't get it...22:52
Ceron^btw is there support in xterm to open http links22:53
Ceron^in n90022:53
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Ceron^so i can open links from irssi inside n90022:53
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SpeedEvilhow sensitive - compared to other devices - is the n810 wifi?22:53
SpeedEvilin terms of range22:53
qwerty12_N810Ceron^: mh28 has it22:53
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Ceron^qwerty12_N810: mh28??22:54
qwerty12_N810Ceron^: Osso-xterm build22:54
qwerty12_N810I'm using a later one because I hacked it a little and needed to test it...22:54
ShapeshifterHope someone's porting xrvt-unicode to maemo22:54
Shapeshiftershouldn't be hard.22:54
zerojay_N900what do we have?22:54
qwerty12_N810mh25 is the one with 39-922:54
EspadaV8.... is there a timer app on the 900?22:55
EspadaV8or am i just blind22:55
EspadaV8the clock only seems to have alarms22:56
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: time cat22:56
EspadaV8:( beep not found22:57
EspadaV8sleep( 60 ) ; beep22:57
zerojay_N900i wanna time cat.22:57
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* qwerty12_N810 calls the (R)SPCA, cats shouldn't be in #maemo. What sort of abuse is this?!22:59
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Meiz_n810why are people's connections timing out? ...23:00
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qwerty12_N810It was due to GeneralAntilles being a cat23:01
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sp3000catastrophic, that23:02
sp3000but yeah a fast entry timer ui would be nice23:03
* sp3000 only has things on the back of an envelope ;)23:03
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GAN800Somebody go poke fiferboy.23:03
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EspadaV8it sends messages now :-)23:05
EspadaV8and now, time to cook the lamb chops23:05
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Shapeshifter I find the checkbox looks a bit weird. any ideas on how to do this more nicely?23:12
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qwerty12_N810Shapeshifter: HILDON_SIZE_FINGER_HEIGHT, IMHO, looks better for a checkbox:
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Shapeshifterqwerty12_N810: ah yes, it does. thanks.23:17
EspadaV8Shapeshifter: what you coding?23:18
microlithooh, xchat :D23:18
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: just a small tool which members of our club can use to open the door and do stuff in our student lounge. we have everything wired up ;)
Stskeepshappy birthday qwerty12_N81023:19
qwerty12_N810Thanks, Stskeeps :)23:19
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EspadaV8Shapeshifter: oooh23:21
EspadaV8looks cool23:21
EspadaV8the splitter widgets in Qt on maemo don't work too well :(23:23
ShapeshifterEspadaV8: it tells me to log in. I don't have a flicker account.23:23
Shapeshifteroh wait, I have a yahoo id...23:23
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EspadaV8one sec23:23
EspadaV8i thought i set them all to public23:23
EspadaV8try again Shapeshifter23:24
Shapeshifterthanks. looks nice. I guess it would be useful if it was possible to toggle the display of the two things to the right and left23:24
Shapeshifterso that only the chat is visible at most times23:24
EspadaV8they're meant to be resizable23:25
EspadaV8to you can hide them if you like23:25
EspadaV8only it doesn't work too reliably :(23:26
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EspadaV8i'll add a 'proper' setting for it so you can disable them completely23:26
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b-man16gah, syntax errors an miss-spelling in the example code on is giving me a headache XP23:30
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lopzhow can I move the windows on the n800?23:41
lopzI modified some files for some time but can not remember which, I want the NON-modal windows.23:41
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Ceron^ oh the irony23:51
cvandonderen_where can I find the control files for packages?23:52
cvandonderen_I want to package libqt4-4.623:52
wiretappedhey, fellow future t-mobile customers, check this out:23:54
b-man16cvandondern_: it is in the ./debain directory23:54
cvandonderen_b-man16: so then I first need to download a deb for the previous version?23:55
ShapeshifterIf I use a GtkDialog, I don't understand how to pass the response id in a callback. E.g. I do this: g_signal_connect (creds_dialog, "response", G_CALLBACK (do_something_depending_on_response_id), NULL);23:57
b-man16cvandondern_: if you want to build the package, i highly suggest downloading the source (tar.gz) and install dpkg-dev/use dpkg-buildpackage to build the package ;)23:57
Shapeshifterhow do I pass the response id to the callback? well, in DATA, but how do I get it from the signal?23:57
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b-man16and use dch-i to update the changelog23:57
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cvandonderen_b-man16: it is still compiling... but will it then automatically create all the different sub-packages?23:58
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cvandonderen_or do I have to do all of that manually23:58
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b-man16cvandondern_: it should23:59

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