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| javispedro | sigh at tmo... | 00:30 |
| EspadaV8 | ooooh, a live stream would be nice | 00:30 |
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| Stskeeps | with all the tablets it wouldnt have enough bw | 00:30 |
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| crashanddie | hello :) | 00:31 |
| frals | yeah, bambuser or something similiar would be cool | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | from amsterdam | 00:31 |
| javispedro | howdy | 00:31 |
| frals | o/ | 00:31 |
| Stskeeps | lo crashanddie | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hi, crashanddie | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Moved on from blow-up dolls yet? :P | 00:32 |
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| crashanddie | what'd'ya mean "moved on"? | 00:32 |
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| crashanddie | why would I want to move on? | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 00:32 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 00:33 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: Has dneary given you any dirty looks in person for your IRC outburst? :p | 00:33 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810: didn't meet him | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810: I tried calling gary and simon, but nobody's phone is working, it would appear | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | yes I know, ironic for a convention around a glorified phone platform | 00:34 |
| pupnik | :) | 00:34 |
| javispedro | damn smartphones :) | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I hear the workers are going underground in the Red Light District | 00:34 |
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| Macer | blah.. downloading a ton of videos so i can watch something on this touchbook later | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | "touchbook" takes a whole new dimension if it's porn you're downloading | 00:37 |
| Macer | haha | 00:37 |
| Macer | yeah. it comes with a usb virtual vagina | 00:37 |
| GAN800 | <_< | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +1 for the touchbook | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The N900 can only recover if it comes with one of those Japanese female robots | 00:38 |
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| frals | seems like people have stopped even trying to search for answers on t.m.o nowadays :< | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | frals: This is nothing new :p | 00:39 |
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| Macer | well.. this tb os needs a lot of work | 00:40 |
| javispedro | frals: was thinking the same. | 00:40 |
| javispedro | this is awful. | 00:40 |
| GAN800 | Ah, rocker. Thanks, qwerty12. | 00:40 |
| javispedro | if this trend continues... | 00:40 |
| Macer | i'm really more so looking forward to google os to see if it's any good | 00:41 |
| Macer | especially if they release an openhardware version | 00:41 |
| GAN800 | Welcome to every new Maemo release. ;) | 00:41 |
| * EspadaV8 is jealous of everyone there | 00:41 | |
| javispedro | GAN800: ah, the flur dies out after a while? | 00:41 |
| GAN800 | Usually | 00:41 |
| GAN800 | Expect at least one good flame war. ;) | 00:41 |
| javispedro | hopefully. | 00:41 |
| crashanddie | GAN800: from you being online I take it there was no passport this morning? | 00:42 |
| javispedro | GAN800: I expect a big one after all the idiots who haven't bothered to search nor ask get the phone and start wondering why they can't mms. | 00:42 |
| GAN800 | But all the new people will learn the ropes with time. | 00:42 |
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| GAN800 | crashanddie, it came about 5 hours ago. | 00:42 |
| javispedro | s/mms/$RANDOM_SYMBIAN_FEATURE . | 00:42 |
| GAN800 | About 28 hours too late. | 00:42 |
| crashanddie | GAN800: so why are you not on a plane? | 00:42 |
| Macer | he is | 00:43 |
| Macer | planes have wifi | 00:43 |
| Macer | :) | 00:43 |
| GAN800 | You think I have $1100 just lying around? | 00:43 |
| crashanddie | sell your mac pro | 00:43 |
| GAN800 | Pfft | 00:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maemo Summit > Mac | 00:44 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: Maemo Summit > school. | 00:44 |
| GAN800 | The N900 aint quite ready to replace a real computer. ;) | 00:44 |
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| zerojay | GAN800: Heh.. that +- was my kid moving my keyboard to use my desk. I was still at work and just happened to see your comment through the #maemo irc logs. | 00:45 |
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| * GAN800 mutters evil things about the State Department. | 00:45 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Maemo Summit > N900 | 00:45 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, lol | 00:45 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: now you made me cry. | 00:45 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Thanks a ton for the packaging stuff. I'm starting on it in a few minutes. | 00:45 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, now you've made me depressed again. :P | 00:46 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Cool, your latest backgrounds are awesome | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Since I'm on a roll... Megadrive > SNES | 00:46 |
| * javispedro does not flame on oldie consoles :) | 00:47 | |
| GAN800 | qwerty12, libnotify + XChat = win. . . . | 00:47 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Thanks.. it's not been easy... so many small things that need to be fixed in each wallpaper.. that Donkey Kong one is a killer. | 00:47 |
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| javispedro | did it ever work ;) | 00:47 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, I have the graphical ability of a retarded, blind monkey who happens to be masturbating | 00:48 |
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| GAN800 | Well, in rtcom more specificalky. | 00:48 |
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| zerojay | Yeah, compared to the people I'm surrounded with at work (pixel and 3d artists), I feel the same way. | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Does it work? (libnotify + XChat?) | 00:48 |
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| GAN800 | qwerty12, no? | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Well, you know my thoughts on the Wii :p | 00:48 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N81 | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Bleh, maybe tomorrow then | 00:49 |
| javispedro | there, I've downgraded your NIT. | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | Let me switch to FBReader and highlight me? | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800 sucks | 00:49 |
| zerojay | Buy Juan, get Julio free. | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, no. | 00:49 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: I'll look into it tomorrow then, getting it working in Transmission was fun | 00:50 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 00:50 |
| zerojay | Transmission CHUGS when there's a lot of seeds on a torrent. | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep :/ | 00:51 |
| zerojay | Completely unresponsive for minutes at a time. | 00:51 |
| * jaska fondles rtorrent | 00:51 | |
| Macer | rtorrent always was the best one to use i think | 00:52 |
| Macer | especially once you figure out the 5000 character config file line to get it to automatically move finished files | 00:52 |
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| javispedro | oh, they're now trying to somehow shove the htc hd2 as a viable competitor. | 00:53 |
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| zerojay | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=342118&postcount=21 <--- whhhaaa | 00:54 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has a soft spot for WinMo. Then again, my only PPC was of the non-phone variety | 00:54 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | ROFL | 00:54 |
| javispedro | zerojay: saw that. my average hairloss per second briefly increased. | 00:54 |
| jaska | hd2? no kbd :( | 00:55 |
| pupnik | has anyone hooked-up with ukki in amsterdam? | 00:55 |
| javispedro | jaska: and wm. every review has nearly panned it. | 00:55 |
| jaska | well, id take wm over symbian :) | 00:55 |
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| jaska | and wm over osx-arm (iphone, atleast in its current form without jailbreaking) | 00:56 |
| javispedro | my only contact with wm was quite a few years ago with a casiopeia e-10 and I was scarred for life. | 00:56 |
| jaska | i know my jornada 720's wince3 and the ipaq first couple gens wince were absolutely terrible | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Pocket LOOX 720 <3 | 00:57 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: you're talking to an ex-palmos fanboy. >:) | 00:57 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, well, I've already told you what happened to my only Palm... | 00:58 |
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| javispedro | I don't remember right now, but my brain hurts when I try. So it had to be something truly evil. | 00:59 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Dropped it and the screen cracked up | 00:59 |
| javispedro | I was going to ask you not to perturb my poor mind by reminding that to me. | 01:00 |
| javispedro | bah, the HD2 is even more expensive than the n900. | 01:01 |
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| javispedro | Ca. Ca. Capacitive touchscreen in WM??? | 01:04 |
| javispedro | wm must have changed a lot. | 01:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, there's a new Talk member called "drm". I say we burn him/her at the stake | 01:04 |
| * jaska pours some thermite | 01:05 | |
| GAN800 | them, qwerty12, them. | 01:06 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, ahahaha | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Thanks, I always seem to think it refers to more than one person | 01:06 |
| GAN800 | It's the thinking that gets you. :P | 01:07 |
| GAN800 | Hey, wouldn't you know Nokia's got a web runtime. . . . | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yes, which requires WebKit. Please Nokia, bring it to Fremantle... | 01:10 |
| GAN800 | There's a talk at the Summit. | 01:10 |
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| javispedro | toooo many new users. | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah :\ | 01:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | They better bring money. | 01:14 |
| javispedro | i'd hoped they'd bring apps. | 01:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Money means Nokia can bring apps. | 01:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | and we'll get some of those, too. | 01:15 |
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| luke-jr_ | (crappy apps) | 01:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | or good apps | 01:16 |
| * luke-jr_ hides | 01:16 | |
| Tadthebuilder | pessimism... | 01:16 |
| javispedro | how have we invoked luke-jr? neither of us typed the "free" keyword ;) | 01:16 |
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| luke-jr_ | javispedro: I don't use that keyword. | 01:17 |
| javispedro | hehe. | 01:17 |
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| Tadthebuilder | hey | 01:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | i just found out im not the only ordained minister who is a member of tmo | 01:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are we going to have to start the community religious council now? | 01:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | nah | 01:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think we are good | 01:20 |
| pupnik | The Tribal Leaders | 01:20 |
| * pupnik puts on warpaint | 01:20 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maemo Holy Edition | 01:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I am glad that some people are working on a bible program for the n900 though | 01:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats pretty cool | 01:20 |
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| Tadthebuilder | There was an Ubuntu christian edition for a bit | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why does it seem people mostly want apps as a statistic to beat users of other platforms with? | 01:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | it was kind of a joke | 01:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | because | 01:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | they are childish | 01:21 |
| pupnik | there was one for the 770 as well | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've had nearly all of my needs covered just fine by the great apps available on Maemo. | 01:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | and want to be able to show off.... | 01:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | look we have 52102804 apps | 01:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | how many do you have> | 01:21 |
| pupnik | someone with python skill could make mytube better | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of the iPhone's bajillion and one apps I've been impressed by very, very few of them. | 01:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh only 52102803 | 01:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | we win | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Fart apps and iBoobs are the shit | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: I hate that "app" has become a part of the common lexicon. | 01:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | Id be impressed with the fart apps if they smelled | 01:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | like farts | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | People love to toss around the term but none of them could even tell you what the hell an "app" is. | 01:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | an application | 01:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | :P) | 01:22 |
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| javispedro | aw yes. another term apple popularized. | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, most of them can't even come up with that. | 01:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | id just like to point out that | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | "But, but—it's got apps!" | 01:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | the word is at the top of my screen in fnome | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 01:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | gnome* | 01:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | and lazy people shorten it to app, or apps. I think its pre-iphone in popularity | 01:23 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonder's what's autoreplacing "- -" with an em-dash. | 01:23 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | -_- | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, in technical circles, sure. | 01:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | I thought you were saying my statement wa s interesting | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | But its use by the common moron is an Apple phenomenon. | 01:24 |
| javispedro | yeah. Apple made "the app" a cult-thing. | 01:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I don't like like use real em-dashes in mediums where most people are using monospaced fonts. ;) | 01:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | what did they call specific instances of code designed to do something on top of the operating system prior to apps? | 01:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | programs? | 01:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | things | 01:25 |
| Corsac | stuff | 01:25 |
| javispedro | they called those things by name. | 01:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | the only two general terms I can think of are programs and applications | 01:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Those fucking "There's an app for that" adverts are hilarious | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, most people don't differentiate. | 01:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait | 01:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are just "Word" or "Outlook" | 01:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | they are the same thing right? | 01:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 01:25 |
| javispedro | "install Office" or "run Word". | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | but wait | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | .... | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | what if they needed a new program | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | or app | 01:26 |
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| Tadthebuilder | would they just say I need something on my computer that can do such and such | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | or would they say I need a new program on my computer to do such and such | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | or I need a new application on my computer to do such and such | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | ive used both before pre-iphone | 01:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | but maybe other people did not | 01:26 |
| pupnik | Apparently the amsterdam folks are not online | 01:27 |
| pupnik | :/ | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love how the device isn't even out yet and its history has already been decided. | 01:27 |
| javispedro | IMHO they'd say "you suck as a tech" then flagellate me and I'd have to read their minds to know what their want. | 01:27 |
| pupnik | how non-geeky of them | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, Qole and timsamoff should be available by email. | 01:27 |
| pupnik | i was searching for when things start tomorrow, GeneralAntilles - do you know? | 01:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | hope they are having fun | 01:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | and staying away from the magic brownies | 01:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule | 01:28 |
| pupnik | ah 9 | 01:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's Amsterdam: They're probably flying high | 01:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=342109&postcount=11 | 01:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't get it. | 01:28 | |
| Tadthebuilder | sometimes I wonder if more people in amesterdam get high or la | 01:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | LA | 01:28 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: deep inside me I just wish they all leave. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, well, either they'll buy it or they wont. | 01:29 |
| javispedro | but as I've usually said, that's why nobody with any commercial sense has to listen to me. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the ones that don't will leave | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | most of the ones that do will probably leave, too. | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | The rest will acclimate with time. | 01:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | what the amount of colours on the n900? | 01:29 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: they'll leave right after The Great 2009 N900 Backslash. | 01:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | conflicting statemetns on tmo | 01:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I do love the ones who don't own a device and never will but just stick around and troll. | 01:30 |
| javispedro | when idiots notice it's not a symbian phone but "step 4 of 5". | 01:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, I think compositing is thousands, screen is millions. | 01:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 01:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait | 01:30 |
| javispedro | 16 bit framebuffer, 18 bit screen, what I said on my first post. | 01:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | why does the person expect a bunch of apps at launch? | 01:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | did the iphone have a ton of apps at launch? | 01:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | does any new platform? | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, no, which is why that statement is so silly. | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Tadthebuilder: some do | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the claim that Maemo developers can't do UI stuff is silly, too. | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Tadthebuilder: if the company has made lots | 01:31 |
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| johnsq | Tadthebuilder: maemo is around many years, there you can aspect good apps | 01:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | i have a n800 | 01:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | i know about the programs I can run it | 01:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | (Im going to start using programs as opposed to apps, dont know why) | 01:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot of apps will need updating to make them look nice in Fremantle. | 01:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But plenty of them already have been: http://maemo.org/packages | 01:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | and there are a lot of nice programs on the n800 and from what ive seen alot of them have been updated | 01:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe that guy is missing the fart apps | 01:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | (programs) | 01:32 |
| javispedro | yes! | 01:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | but on something like the n900 | 01:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | with its superior browser | 01:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | you dont need alot of those iphone style apps | 01:33 |
| javispedro | but come to think of it even the iPhone didn't have fart apps for a year. | 01:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | that really just redisplay a website | 01:34 |
| javispedro | in fact it didn't have any app... | 01:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | in a different form | 01:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | atleast you dont on the n800 | 01:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe the screen size is what makes those neccessary | 01:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | donno | 01:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | that seems to be what alot of them do | 01:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | there was news recently abotu a CNN one that showed video!!! | 01:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | Why cant I just go to Cnn.com and watch the videos there? | 01:35 |
| javispedro | Tadthebuilder: Jobs' hate for Flash. | 01:35 |
| javispedro | something I'd actually agree on, but then not on a flagship consumer device. | 01:35 |
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| Tadthebuilder | you know what would be cool | 01:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | a boxing match between bill gates and steve jobs | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | no. | 01:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | no? | 01:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | you dont think two nerds fighting would be cool? | 01:36 |
| javispedro | they would start kissing themselves. | 01:36 |
| javispedro | they're still lovers since the eighties. | 01:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats strange | 01:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | by themselves you meant each other? | 01:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks for that horrible mental image | 01:36 |
| mavhc | bbc just aired Micro Men, about 2 nerds fighting | 01:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont get bbc | 01:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | actually I dont have a tv... | 01:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | I watch hulu | 01:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 01:37 |
| mavhc | I get torrents, don't watch broadcast | 01:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | BBC owns, but only because of Eastenders | 01:38 |
| * javispedro is patiently waiting for someone on his favourite maemo fansite idiot forum to get the n900 and see how it can't load any java apps. | 01:38 | |
| javispedro | then watch his face. | 01:38 |
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| javispedro | what will he post? "N900 sucks" or "Java sucks". | 01:38 |
| javispedro | wanna bet? | 01:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | what maemo fansite is this? | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | "javispedro sucks!" | 01:38 |
| javispedro | not going to say the name just in case someone of them is crawling the logs :) | 01:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and they totally do. | 01:39 |
| mavhc | qwerty12_N810: wow, you were born without the taste gene | 01:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe we should give a n900 to banksy | 01:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | and let him get the word out | 01:39 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: i'm a paranoid :) | 01:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | in his spray paint skills | 01:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | and say it does have java | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I'm not joking. :P | 01:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | that is mean mavhc | 01:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mavhc: It's total shit nowadays, but it's had some good moments in the past :p | 01:40 |
| javispedro | well, if you're reading this, whoever you are, I was not talking about your site. | 01:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kinda like qwerty12_N810. | 01:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Want to see what Christmas brings... | 01:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | I can see the rat with an n900 | 01:40 |
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| * Tadthebuilder wonders what site it is... | 01:40 | |
| Tadthebuilder | i want to go to a maemo fansite | 01:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | www.javispedro.com | 01:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | what fansite should I go to? | 01:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats only generally | 01:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | associated with maemo | 01:41 |
| * javispedro considers putting some adsense and truly starting a maemo fansite... | 01:41 | |
| Tadthebuilder | fracturing? | 01:41 |
| javispedro | by spreading some lies about the n900 hw I may even get enough adsense money to buy one myself! | 01:42 |
| pupnik | lol | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nokia will blacklist your site | 01:43 |
| pupnik | javispedro has the coolest app for maemo atm | 01:43 |
| pupnik | :P | 01:43 |
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| Sargun | 18 days. | 01:44 |
| pupnik | til what | 01:44 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | period | 01:45 |
| javispedro | until we all die. | 01:45 |
| javispedro | didn't you watch that movie? | 01:45 |
| javispedro | how was it named... ah yes, The Ring. | 01:45 |
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| pupnik | 20:00 Maemo Party in FlexBar DJ's Russ Chimes & Grum (check the mixtapes!) visuals by Xploitec VJ's. coordinated by Jussi Mäkinen. | 01:49 |
| pupnik | ^^nice | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | i didn't watch The Ring yet | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | can we attend any expert stream we like? | 01:52 |
| pupnik | i.e. switch between lectures | 01:52 |
| pupnik | must be | 01:52 |
| pupnik | Fremantle Stars showcase | 01:52 |
| pupnik | Including liqbase, OSM2Go, Mauku, OMWeather, eCoach and more. | 01:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | liqbase is awesome!!! | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im a bit obsessed | 01:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | the only time Im not running liqbase on my n800 is when im playing ines | 01:54 |
| Sargun | I'm bored. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, yes. | 01:54 |
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| Tadthebuilder | wait | 01:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | the lectures are being streemed? | 01:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | so its like we are there without paying thousands of dollars? | 01:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | and without getting a contact high? | 01:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | seems like we get the best of both worlds. | 01:56 |
| Firebird | really? I haven't actually seen any streams | 01:57 |
| Firebird | ah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Organization#Live_streaming | 01:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | what the time different between eastern US time and amsterdam? | 01:58 |
| Firebird | nothing official though | 01:58 |
| Firebird | hm | 01:58 |
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| pupnik | 5 or 6 hours | 02:01 |
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| Tadthebuilder | it doesnt seem like there was in confirmation | 02:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | that they were going to be recorded a stremed | 02:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | only that someone suggested it | 02:07 |
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| pupnik | be nice to the speakers and don't stream it | 02:11 |
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| pupnik | summit lookin good: http://www.westergasfabriek.nl/uploads/190X190_event_aifw_lippenstift.jpg | 02:14 |
| pupnik | i love text like this | 02:14 |
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| pupnik | "If you're looking for an adventurous, unpolished venue for an event, then the Westergasfabriek Culture Park is worth a visit. " | 02:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | im not quite sure I understand that picture | 02:17 |
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| GAN800 | pupnik, I do not think that word means what you think it means. ;) | 02:19 |
| pupnik | :) | 02:19 |
| pupnik | I'm looking for an adventurous, unpolished dutch girl | 02:19 |
| GAN800 | They have one of a furry convention. <_< | 02:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | hopefully shaven | 02:20 |
| pupnik | girls don't need to shave | 02:20 |
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| pupnik | sorry, i had to type that | 02:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | only if they grow beards | 02:20 |
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| pupnik | right. well if anybody has last minute requests | 02:20 |
| pupnik | lol | 02:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay im in charge of music at my wedding reception in 9 days | 02:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | any suggestions? | 02:20 |
| pupnik | Muslimguaze | 02:21 |
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| Tadthebuilder | (dont worry about dancing...it will be possible but no one will) | 02:21 |
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| Tadthebuilder | my friends are lame | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | they dont dance | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im having a first dance with my wife and then I would guess that almost no one will dance after that | 02:21 |
| pupnik | Maybe dancing is for kids | 02:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | its possible | 02:21 |
| pupnik | I enjoyed it, but i don' feel so exhuberant at 40 | 02:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | well im only 23 | 02:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | as are most of my friends... | 02:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:22 |
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| pupnik | So dance... | 02:31 |
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| pupnik | if you are DJ'ing, you need to balance between songs your audience knows and loves, and songs you think they might love | 02:32 |
| pupnik | right. I have decided to wear a red-purple cap at summit. | 02:33 |
| pupnik | it looks very stupid | 02:33 |
| Firebird | take it off? | 02:33 |
| GAN800 | pupnik, it's a tech summit. They're all geeks. :P | 02:33 |
| pupnik | yah | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | reight then | 02:37 |
| pupnik | cheers | 02:37 |
| GAN800 | Later | 02:37 |
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| Tadthebuilder | im not really djing... | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 02:37 |
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| Tadthebuilder | im the groom... | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | im just in charge of choosing the songs ahead of time | 02:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | wate | 02:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | your not at the summit or you wouldnt be here | 02:38 |
| GAN800 | He's got WiFi surely. | 02:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 02:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | but why would he be on if hes at the summit? | 02:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | no one else from the summit is | 02:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | pupnik>Apparently the amsterdam folks are not online | 02:40 |
| GAN800 | Tadthebuilder, take pupnik's advice then be sure to vary the music. A few fast songs, then a few slow, then some more fast, etc. | 02:40 |
| GAN800 | There'll be a lot more on tomorrow when they're all actually in one place with WiFi | 02:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah I could see that | 02:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | variation is a good idea...:) thanks | 02:42 |
| GAN800 | Also considering having the wedding party learn Thriller or similar. :P | 02:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | that wouldbe might funny | 02:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | but only 9 days | 02:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | dont think I can put that together in time | 02:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | and i think the mother of the bride would throw a fit.. haha | 02:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | is there a required languange for all talks to be given in at the summit? | 02:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | or are some in english others finnish, others russian etc | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think they're all being given in English. | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sure somebody COULD give a talk in something else | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | but time is precious and English is by far the most commonly spoken. | 02:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | makes sense | 02:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | are there actually going to be any live streams from the summit? | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I doubt it, honestly. | 02:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | your supposed to know everything | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | WiFi at these things is usually overloaded. | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd know more if I were there. :( | 02:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have never asked you aquestion before without being given a solid and detailed answer | 02:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah sorry to hear you couldnt go man | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, well, never bank on the US Government managing to do anything on time or in a reasonable fashion. ;) | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm happy to help. ;) | 02:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've made it my business to have as broad a knowledge as possible about this platform and this community. | 02:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | unless the answer can be answered by a quick google search | 02:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | that would explain it | 02:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | im decently well informed | 02:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats why i started coming in here | 02:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | to pick up on the things being conversed about | 02:49 |
| * Tadthebuilder just choked temporarily on a cold hotdog...why i did not use the microwave i will never know | 02:49 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Who the hell would pay $30 a month for TV in their car? | 02:50 |
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| Tadthebuilder | someone with too much money? | 02:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apparently AT&T is having money problems with the service, so not many of them either. | 02:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | its a bit pricy | 02:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | I wont pay thirty bucks a month for home phone service | 02:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | so im thinking about getting magic jack | 02:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | though it looks a bit sketch | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Use a cellphone? | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who provides your internet? | 02:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | embarq | 02:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | well thats dsl | 02:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | also time warner offers cable | 02:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont have it set up | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time Warner's not terrible. | 02:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | I had a delay | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could get cable/phone through them. | 02:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | on closing on my house | 02:53 |
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| Tadthebuilder | true | 02:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | have you seen magic jack | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot better than Comcast. ;) | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once or twice on TV | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like you might be better off just signing up for a Gizmo account? | 02:54 |
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| Tadthebuilder | possibley | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | i have a gizmo account actually | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | but magic jack appears cheaper... | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | and easier to hook up a real phone | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have a cell phone | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | as does my fiance | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I moved and my parents are still paying that bill | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | and they said | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | they will continue that indefinitly | 02:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | ...im not going to complain or stop them | 02:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | i just need a local number | 02:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | I could get a google number | 02:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | that call forwarded... | 02:58 |
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| jhford | does the n810 have any NVRAM or other stuff not stored on /dev/mtd* | 02:59 |
| GAN800 | Google Voice would work. | 02:59 |
| GAN800 | jhford, no. | 02:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | I need to look into how much that costs | 02:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | i had it while it was grandcentral | 03:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | and had a free back up ip phone | 03:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | doing the old linked setup between it and gizmodo | 03:00 |
| jhford | GAN800: do you know where the clock time is stored? | 03:00 |
| ShadowJK | heh, in the rtc? | 03:01 |
| GAN800 | Incoming is free. | 03:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | which is all I would need | 03:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | awesome | 03:01 |
| GAN800 | Outgoing is competitive with Skype and Gizmo. | 03:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | I would not need to use it for out going though | 03:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just want them to be able to call me at a local number | 03:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | and not pay longdistance | 03:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | alot of elderly people may need to call me and they dont like calling longdistance | 03:02 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 03:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | what are you laughing at? | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | He's not laughing at you, he's laughing with you | 03:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | interesting | 03:04 |
| GAN800 | Old people. | 03:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | heh | 03:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | well I work at a church where the average age is probably 65 | 03:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | granted I work with the children and youth at said church but I have to communicate often with the older individuals int he church | 03:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | hence | 03:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | needing a local number | 03:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | the youth all have cell phones...haha | 03:05 |
| GAN800 | You need to hook them all up with N900s and VoIP | 03:05 |
| GAN800 | The old people, that is. :D | 03:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 03:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | lets just get them to use a computer | 03:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | and email first... | 03:06 |
| GAN800 | Good luck! | 03:06 |
| * GAN800 has been down that road. | 03:06 | |
| Tadthebuilder | we do have a 75 year old secretary that types the bulletin on a computer | 03:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | though | 03:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | she sometimes litterally cuts and pastes clip art on to it | 03:07 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 03:07 |
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| Tadthebuilder | but atleast she uses the computer some | 03:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think recently she has learned about the clip art on the computer she can insert | 03:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | and knows how to do it | 03:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | she just prefers the other clipart for some reason | 03:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | its kinda funny | 03:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | and by kinda i mean really | 03:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | she calls me in sometimes to help her do things | 03:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I follow the XKCD flow chart since she is using the newest microsoft office and I have no idea how to use that | 03:09 |
| * Tadthebuilder is too cheap to shell 300 dollars for a program that does little more than a free oss version | 03:09 | |
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| GAN800 | No kidding. | 03:11 |
| GAN800 | I don't know why anybody would pay for Office. | 03:11 |
| Xisdibik | Besides... offices? :D | 03:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | my seminary technically required it | 03:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I used open office and they never knew | 03:12 |
| GAN800 | As an individual it's almost impossible not to have access somewhere if you need it. | 03:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | its true | 03:12 |
| Xisdibik | as an individual i agree | 03:12 |
| GAN800 | Lot of schools require it. | 03:12 |
| GAN800 | My school requires Visual Studio. I use vim. . . . | 03:13 |
| Xisdibik | I bet you do better work than your school ;) | 03:13 |
| * GAN800 loves Maemo. | 03:15 | |
| GAN800 | Not many other platforms let you use XChat while cooking dinner. | 03:16 |
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| Xisdibik | I hate to upset you but, i cook and am on XChat all the time, under windows 7 :) | 03:17 |
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| Tadthebuilder | i would like some dinner | 03:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | I ate a cold hot dog for dinner... | 03:17 |
| * Tadthebuilder cannot wait til he is no longer living by himself | 03:17 | |
| SpeedEvil | I use my thinkpad on top of the microwave all the time. | 03:18 |
| Xisdibik | I havnt decided what im having for dinner yet. Pulled Pork Sandwich, Pasta, Ham cooked with pineapple juices and pineapple slices on top. | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | (with the microwave on) | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | While cooking | 03:18 |
| Xisdibik | I bet your thinkpad doesnt appreciate the radiation! | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Oddly - wifi works just fine | 03:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | is this barbeque pulled pork? | 03:19 |
| GAN800 | Xisdibik, not on a device that fits in your pocket. | 03:19 |
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| Xisdibik | Tadthebuilder: yes | 03:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | vinager or tomatoe based? | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 03:20 |
| Xisdibik | GAN800: you have me there then. but you hadnt specified | 03:20 |
| Xisdibik | Tadthebuilder: i dont know lolz | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | dont ask why im asking so many questions | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | is it red | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | ? | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | heh | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I only like north carolina style barbeque | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | the base is vinegar | 03:20 |
| GAN800 | Tadthebuilder, don't me you can't cook for yourself. :P | 03:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | I cant | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just know what I like :) | 03:21 |
| GAN800 | That's just sad. | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | I can cook for myself a little | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | but not much | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | all the cooking i know how to do it from watching good eats | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really not hard. | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I really dont have access to a kitchen at the moment | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have a microwave thats about it | 03:21 |
| GAN800 | They have websites for that you know. :P | 03:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | I eat mostly sandwiches | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | you can cook perfectly fine with just a microwave | 03:22 |
| GAN800 | Haha | 03:22 |
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| GAN800 | It sucks, though. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Even one that doesn't do conventional mode. | 03:22 |
| amr | trying to charge my n810 with a travel charger thing i bought | 03:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | im closing on a house in three weeks | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Well... | 03:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | hopefully | 03:22 |
| amr | (not nokia official obv) | 03:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | is it not working amr? | 03:22 |
| amr | and it charges my 6210 navigator | 03:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | or were you just telling us that you were trying it? | 03:22 |
| amr | but it doesnt seem to work :/ | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Spaghetti, sauces, rice, potatos, pot-roasts, stews, ... | 03:22 |
| amr | the nokia screen will come on, then go off | 03:22 |
| amr | no loading bar or anything, just the logo | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | might not be getting enough power, not sure though | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | see my main problem is | 03:23 |
| Anunakin | O:-) | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | I was an RA at college | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | which I just left | 03:23 |
| amr | hmmmm | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I lived on a dorm my whole time there | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I ate at the dining hall | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | glorious dining hall | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | on demand food | 03:23 |
| amr | could someone look on their charger and see if the specs of this match up | 03:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | whenver I wanted... | 03:23 |
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| Tadthebuilder | might not of been high quality | 03:24 |
| amr | dc 5v, 500mAh max | 03:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | but it was there | 03:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | and conveneit | 03:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | im thinking that | 03:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | that might charge the device slowly | 03:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | for some reason | 03:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | im thinking 1500 mah | 03:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | but i may be wrong | 03:25 |
| amr | hmmm | 03:25 |
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| Tadthebuilder | general: you still here? | 03:25 |
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| amr | this is poo, i was hoping to have my tablet charged for lectures tomorrow | 03:26 |
| GAN800 | amr, 500ma is low | 03:26 |
| amr | thought as much | 03:26 |
| GAN800 | Stock charger ia close to 900 | 03:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | would it charge it slowly | 03:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | if the device was turned off? | 03:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | (similar to the trickle charge from usb) | 03:27 |
| GAN800 | It'll charge, but slowly and only if you're not using it. | 03:27 |
| amr | well it turns on when it gets plugged in | 03:27 |
| amr | oh thats fine, its got a good 8 hours to charge | 03:27 |
| GAN800 | Since it can overpower the stock charger. | 03:27 |
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| amr | thanks :) | 03:28 |
| * timeless grumbles | 03:29 | |
| timeless | the gettext package in somewhere is broken | 03:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | why are you grumbling? | 03:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | its not polite... | 03:29 |
| sp3000 | timeless: bug 4624 seems to mention both versions you're getting in that package | 03:30 |
| timeless | it's 2.30am | 03:31 |
| sp3000 | but since there's a /scratchbox/tools/bin/gettext, you're probably hitting magic there | 03:32 |
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| GAN800 | Tadthebuilder, timeless is one of the authorized grumblers. :P | 03:36 |
| timeless | i'm hungry and on a train somewhere in germany | 03:36 |
| timeless | with flaky cell service | 03:36 |
| timeless | we're stopped and i' getting/losing service | 03:37 |
| timeless | i still need a place to sleep tonight | 03:37 |
| ShadowJK | no food on the train? | 03:37 |
| timeless | no dining car | 03:37 |
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| ShadowJK | no trolley either? :-( | 03:38 |
| timeless | there's a guy who sells food out of his room | 03:38 |
| timeless | he has a speial title, not sure what | 03:38 |
| timeless | oh, he'll deliver | 03:39 |
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| ShadowJK | amr: charging with random chargers (and even with some weaker batches of the original chargers) seems to not be a good idea with N810, IF you've let it run empty | 03:44 |
| amr | :< | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | as long as it's still running it seems to accept almost anything | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | Though exactly 5.0V is not accepted | 03:45 |
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| clmntch | j0 | 03:55 |
| timeless | inz: ping | 03:59 |
| amr | nn | 04:02 |
| timeless | ~/9/osso-xterm-0.14.mh27+0m5 $ grep -r domain src/ | 04:04 |
| timeless | src/shortcuts.c:/*(void) bindtextdomain(PACKAGE, LOCALEDIR); */ | 04:04 |
| timeless | src/main.c: bindtextdomain ("osso-browser-ui", LOCALEDIR); | 04:04 |
| timeless | src/main.c: textdomain ("osso-browser-ui"); | 04:04 |
| * timeless grumbles | 04:04 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nice | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wasn't all of the osso stuff supposedly to be gone by now? | 04:05 |
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| * timeless rotfl | 04:06 | |
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| timeless | $ dpkg -l |grep osso|wc | 04:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, OK. :P | 04:07 |
| timeless | ELARGENUMBER | 04:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders how easy it'll be to put ctrl-l back into Maemo Browser. | 04:07 | |
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| Tadthebuilder | very easy | 04:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | tmo needs to crack down on spam bots | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go volunteer to be a mod. :P | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most of the mods are at the Summit right now. | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah that is true | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | I could take temporary mod powers | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | except no one knows who I am.. | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | so that wont happen | 04:13 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I only have like 50 posts at tmo | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | many hours of reading | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | and no real positive impact | 04:13 |
| * Tadthebuilder just realized he is a selfish leech | 04:14 | |
| b-man16 | ~seen lcuk | 04:14 |
| infobot | lcuk <i=lcuk@cpc3-oldh7-0-0-cust590.manc.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 5h 17m 54s ago, saying: 'gnite folks'. | 04:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | lcuk | 04:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | is in amsterdam | 04:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | at the summit | 04:15 |
| b-man16 | ah :P | 04:15 |
| zerojay | I would be too.. ugh. | 04:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh indeed. | 04:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles high fives zerojay! | 04:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Brothers in fail! | 04:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | did you have the same problem as the general? | 04:15 |
| * b-man16 wishes he could attend | 04:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, his was more valid. :P | 04:15 |
| * Tadthebuilder wouldnt understand anything | 04:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, you see the schedule? | 04:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | though I would like to use an n900 for five minutes | 04:15 |
| zerojay | Well, part of it was actually whether I'd get my passport anyways. | 04:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | no I did not see the schedule | 04:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | five minutes...and ill be satisfied for the rest of my life | 04:16 |
| zerojay | And then work pretty much asked me to stay for "important stuff" and.. uh.. it wasn't. | 04:16 |
| ShadowJK | ctrl-l had a 25% success rate in diablo anyway | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check out some of the topic: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule | 04:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | i need a rich friend | 04:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | and to talk him into buying one | 04:16 |
| zerojay | And I'm moving in less than a month so... | 04:16 |
| zerojay | Just too much shit at the same time. | 04:16 |
| zerojay | The perfect shitstorm. | 04:16 |
| * b-man16 has a rich friend xD | 04:16 | |
| Tadthebuilder | ah I see | 04:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | atleast you still have your dignity, and a pacman hat | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, that sounds like something a drug addict might say. :P | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Just one more hit. . . ." | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, right. | 04:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | hah | 04:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | a | 04:17 |
| zerojay | Heh.. yeah, sure do have the pacman hat. | 04:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just realized im never goign to be able to afford one... | 04:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | so using one once should satisfy me | 04:17 |
| zerojay | Pacman hats aren't that expensive. | 04:17 |
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| zerojay | :) | 04:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | grrr | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be under $400 in a year. | 04:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe sooner. | 04:17 |
| b-man16 | wb Meiz_N810 | 04:18 |
| Firebird | :/ | 04:18 |
| zerojay | There's pretty much no way I would have been able to get an N900 if I had to pay for it myself, so I understand. | 04:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | i doubt ill have four hundred dollars of disposable income within the next ten years... | 04:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 04:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay | 04:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | hopefully with in the next ten years | 04:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | I make less than thirty grand a year | 04:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | with thirty grand in student loans... | 04:18 |
| Firebird | well, looks like I'll be settling on a free phone from verizon | 04:18 |
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| b-man16 | in ten years the N900 will cost $10.00 ;) | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird? | 04:19 |
| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, renew date is coming up | 04:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | id pay ten dollars for a n900 in ten years | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, hello, discounts? | 04:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | especially if I can replace the battery with a forty dollar one | 04:19 |
| Firebird | pssh, there's like more people than ever | 04:19 |
| b-man16 | xD | 04:19 |
| Firebird | especially those, "I will donate graphics" people | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, how far down are you on the karma page? | 04:19 |
| Firebird | ~240 | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pssh | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | No worries at all. | 04:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Previous codes have been 500-1000. | 04:20 |
| zerojay | Firebird: lol... those guys aren't getting anything, especially not after being here two weeks. | 04:20 |
| Firebird | ah | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, app_s_ in _Extras_ 'nuff said. | 04:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | the lightning talks seem interesting | 04:20 |
| Firebird | still need a phone for now atleast, I got locked outside cause I forgot my keys and didn't have a phone :/ | 04:20 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:20 |
| zerojay | Sucks. | 04:20 |
| Firebird | dialcentral saved the day with free sms though | 04:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | 24 dollar track phone | 04:21 |
| * b-man16 has been in that situation | 04:21 | |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Interested in trying my wallpapers package when it's ready, before I put it into extras-devel/-testing? | 04:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | it would be awesome to have a n900 on a pay as you go track phone setup | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, need to move to a GSM network. | 04:21 |
| b-man16 | in 14 degree weather xD | 04:21 |
| Firebird | good thing my wifi leaks through the walls | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, sure, autobuilder's still down anyway. | 04:21 |
| b-man16 | (14 f) | 04:21 |
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| Firebird | is anyone porting xmoto? (If not I am) | 04:21 |
| zerojay | Firebird: Go for it. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad they don't have PaYG data in the US. | 04:22 |
| Firebird | should be fun with accelerometers | 04:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | what is ben mansons handle? | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ben Manson? | 04:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | he is giving a speech with lcuk | 04:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | one of those lightnin things | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, dunno. | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not on maemo.org | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | Oh, how did lcuk get his n900? | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay I thought maybe thats how he kne lcuk | 04:24 |
| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, you're not in Europe yet? | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, State Department screwed me over. | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Passport arrived 28 hours too late. | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, no. | 04:25 |
| Firebird | oh | 04:25 |
| b-man16 | i have a new idea for an app for the N900 :) it uses the FM transmitter and 3G functionality of the device to create a hands-free system through a car stereo :) - although i´m not shure if this function allrety exist :/ | 04:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | interesting | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | idea | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | I like it | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 04:26 |
| b-man16 | :) | 04:26 |
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| b-man16 | ......but? | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | how would you connect the 3 g part to the car? | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | like | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | i dont see the interface there | 04:26 |
| sheepbat | wouldn't it be easier through bluetooth? | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | now alot of newer nicer cars have blue tooth setups | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 04:27 |
| microlith | err | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | i dont see the 3g connection | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 04:27 |
| microlith | he reroutes the audio from the phone call out over the FM | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | you also did not explain thoroughly | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | I see | 04:27 |
| b-man16 | yup :) | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | I actually misunderstood | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | the statement | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | its late | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | I need sleep | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I cant sleep | 04:28 |
| b-man16 | xD | 04:28 |
| Firebird | doesn't the FM transmitter transmit all sounds coming from alsa? (wouldn't that include the phone audio?) | 04:28 |
| b-man16 | perhaps.. | 04:28 |
| b-man16 | hmm | 04:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, think it's per-app. | 04:29 |
| Firebird | ah, the wonders of pulse audio :/ | 04:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | that would be pretty cool b-man | 04:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | especially will all of the crazy laws being different with that all over the world | 04:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | in some states your not allowed to touch the phone while driving | 04:30 |
| b-man16 | true xD | 04:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | now if you get me an n900 ill test your program | 04:31 |
| b-man16 | i´ll see what i can do once i actuality get my N900 ;) | 04:31 |
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| b-man16 | xD | 04:32 |
| * Tadthebuilder has stopped callling them apps as of earlier this evening | 04:32 | |
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| b-man16 | i do have $1200 - but i´m saving that for something else ;) | 04:32 |
| b-man16 | xDDDD | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | i7! | 04:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | the n910? | 04:33 |
| Firebird | I could use a 30" LCD | 04:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | tvs are a waist of money | 04:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 04:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | that could be a computer monitor | 04:34 |
| Firebird | eh, that N900 stand looks wobbly | 04:34 |
| Firebird | Tadthebuilder, of course its a monitor... | 04:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | DONT CRITICIZE THE GREIL! | 04:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | just kiding | 04:34 |
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| * b-man16 wonders if he could overclock the N900´s A-8 cpu to 900mhz... or even 1ghz 8D | 04:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, you probably could. | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | It would probably burn out in a matter of weeks, though. | 04:35 |
| b-man16 | indeed xD | 04:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | you could port a water cooling system | 04:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | and cary it everywhere | 04:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | you might need a backpack | 04:36 |
| b-man16 | *port* lol | 04:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 04:36 |
| Firebird | you could do it in a large freezer | 04:36 |
| b-man16 | submerge it in liquid hydrogen! 8D | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heat isn't the biggest issue. | 04:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The high voltage just burns 'em out. | 04:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh | 04:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | well i feel dumb | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mobile stuff is weird. :\ | 04:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | i took you too literally | 04:38 |
| b-man16 | lol | 04:38 |
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| Tadthebuilder | any chance | 04:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | its underclocked like | 04:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | the original release of the n800? | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, well. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, not compared to the official TI specs. | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | However, the OMAP3530 just got a boost up to 720MHz | 04:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is essentially the same SoC | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think you can speak of them like that | 04:40 |
| ShadowJK | surely it'd depend on manufacturing process improving and the ones that don't die in a few months at 720MHz getting sorted into a different category? | 04:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, improvements should apply to all chips. | 04:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I dunno how TI is sorting the OMAP3530s. | 04:41 |
| Firebird | <quote source="wikipedia">The N900 has a stereo microphone</quote> ... really? | 04:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | um | 04:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | ... | 04:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | how would a single microphone be stereo | 04:42 |
| ShadowJK | yeah so if it was intel or amd, some of the 600MHz CPUs might very well run at 900 fine, and some would die or not work :P | 04:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | wouldnt you need too | 04:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Again, mobile stuff is weird. ;) | 04:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | I want a two gigahertz arm netbook | 04:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | runnin windows 3.1 | 04:43 |
| * b-man16 notices that GeneralAntilles has a twitter >.> | 04:43 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it a year. | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | b-man16, I don't use it. | 04:43 |
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| solarion | yay! project submitted | 04:43 |
| solarion | now I just have to make it suck less | 04:43 |
| b-man16 | .....running Windows 3.1 xD | 04:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | hehe | 04:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | first operating system I used | 04:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | when I was 7 | 04:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | (im a youngun) | 04:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | I also used dos of course | 04:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | cause alot still had to be done in dos with 3.1 | 04:44 |
| * b-man16 was 1 when Windows 3.1 came out... i think | 04:44 | |
| b-man16 | (born in late 1992) | 04:45 |
| b-man16 | xD | 04:45 |
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| b-man16 | g2g - getting late here - c ya latter ;) | 04:46 |
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| ShadowJK | "only supported on high-speed grade OMAP3530/25 devices." | 04:50 |
| ShadowJK | so it's different silicon :) | 04:50 |
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| ShadowJK | hm | 04:54 |
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| ShadowJK | From the product code scheme, it seems there are 5 revisions of 3530, in 3 different packages, 2 different temperature ranges, and the last number indicates whether it's certified for 720MHz or not | 04:57 |
| ShadowJK | 5*3*2*2, lots of different chips for omap 3530 :) | 04:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 05:04 |
| ShadowJK | http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html#pricingpackaging | 05:04 |
| ShadowJK | the D after 3530 is Revision D, the next 3 letters indicate the package type, an A after that indicates extended temperature range, a 72 indicates 720MHz capable | 05:05 |
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| ArtVanda1ae | Hi guys, are the os2008 apps compatbile with Maemo 5? | 05:41 |
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| GAN800 | ArtVanda1ae, mostly. | 05:49 |
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| zerojay | GAN800: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3514/3994767226_9716c01e08.jpg | 06:26 |
| zerojay | :D | 06:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo | 06:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Making it a set was a good plan. | 06:31 |
| zerojay | Yeah, I think so. :) | 06:32 |
| zerojay | Lemme up it somewhere fast. | 06:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn autobuilder. :( | 06:32 |
| zerojay | Does it really have to be built to get into Extras? | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, you COULD dput it to non-free | 06:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | But free has to go through the builder. | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need sources. ;) | 06:34 |
| zerojay | Well... I'm not sure there's any to give, honestly. lol | 06:35 |
| zerojay | The deb was pretty much created by hand. | 06:35 |
| zerojay | Since I couldn't really use any .deb creation shit on my PC for a million reasons. | 06:36 |
| zerojay | And scratchbox suddenly stopped working even though I haven't touched it in weeks. | 06:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 06:39 |
| zerojay | http://zerojay.com/misc/classic-gaming-wallpapers_1.1-1maemo0.deb if anyone's interested. :) | 06:40 |
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| * GeneralAntilles loves his Quake terminal. | 06:43 | |
| zerojay | Hell yeah. amazing how useful it is. Surprised no one thought of it before. | 06:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes with Donkey Kong Country. | 06:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't even want to think about how many hours of that game I plaid. | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/plaid/played/ | 06:45 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: I don't even want to think about how many hours of that game I played. | 06:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, that's beautific. | 06:47 |
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| zerojay | It's really gorgeous on the N900 screen. Every little detail pops. You can still see a seam.. hopefully I can fix it tomorrow. | 06:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks really awesome with parallax. | 06:49 |
| zerojay | I love how the color fades to blue at the top perfectly with the status bar. | 06:50 |
| zerojay | Which wasn't planned. | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it looks planned. | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perfect | 06:50 |
| doc|home | zerojay: how did you get one? | 06:50 |
| zerojay | doc|home: Get one what? | 06:50 |
| doc|home | an n900 | 06:50 |
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| zerojay | doc|home: Two years of voluntarily giving my time to helping people, bug testing packages and setting up things for tablet owners. You? | 06:52 |
| doc|home | zerojay: was the attitude really necessary? | 06:52 |
| zerojay | doc|home: There's no attitude in my words. Just telling you the truth. | 06:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, it's a long hard road. ;) | 06:53 |
| zerojay | It didn't simply fall into my lap. Nokia sent me one to help get software ready for launch. | 06:53 |
| zerojay | doc|home: And really, no offense intended. | 06:53 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: I'm not arguing that for a second. But asking how a person in Canada got one, possibly bought, in the hope that maybe I could learn how I could buy one doesn't seem like it deserves a response that seemed not very ... nice | 06:54 |
| zerojay | doc|home: Wasn't bought. They're still not available to the public yet. If my answer was crass... sorry. I'm getting quite a few people asking me how I got mine daily. lol | 06:55 |
| doc|home | ok | 06:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 06:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't. | 06:56 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Clearly they believe me more deserving than you. :P | 06:56 |
| zerojay | Clearly. lol | 06:56 |
| zerojay | I got interogated by some French dude over IM yesterday over it. | 06:56 |
| doc|home | sadly, every fido/rogers rep I talk to says something along the lines of "never going to happen" when I ask about the n900 " | 06:56 |
| doc|home | :( | 06:57 |
| zerojay | doc|home: I'm using mine on Rogers. Getting EDGE at best kind of sucks. | 06:57 |
| doc|home | zerojay: yep :/ | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed. :( | 06:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know what Nokia was thinking. | 06:57 | |
| zerojay | This French guy was all over me going "how the fuck did you get yours? Why don't I have mine, blah blah blah..." | 06:58 |
| doc|home | they say it more because it's a high end phone, not because of the network | 06:58 |
| zerojay | So I thought he preordered. | 06:58 |
| zerojay | And was still waiting. | 06:58 |
| doc|home | like, the fido guy literally said "they're idiots" | 06:58 |
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| zerojay | But NO... he had a huge sense of entitlement... "if you got one given to you, I should have one given to me too". | 06:58 |
| doc|home | heh | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, ah "journalist", then? :P | 06:59 |
| zerojay | Yeah... okay buddy. You hadn't even heard of Maemo before yesterday. | 06:59 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I wish I knew. He ended up sending me harassing IMs for the next 4 hours. | 06:59 |
| zerojay | Pure comedy gold. | 06:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | freejazz from Bugzilla is still my favorite. | 07:00 |
| zerojay | And just when he stopped for 10 minutes, I simply said "lol" once and he went back typing for another 2 hours. | 07:00 |
| zerojay | It was wonderful. My n900 was like a box of goodies giving me a new line to smile and laugh about all day long. | 07:01 |
| * zerojay starts looking at Aladdin and Final Fight.... hmm... | 07:01 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles chuckles reading old emails. | 07:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Andre cleaned it out. Too bad http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think he's had 3 accounts closed on b.m.o now. | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andre is more forgiving than I. ;) | 07:03 |
| zerojay | Hahaha | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the redacted replies: http://pastebin.com/d46300a68 | 07:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fun guy. | 07:06 |
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| microlith | I can only imagine he's a riot in person... | 07:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | He signed up for the 2008 Summit but never showed. | 07:10 |
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| zerojay | Are you fucking serious? lol | 07:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Karel did, too. | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby has some pictures of their nametags on Flickr. | 07:19 |
| zerojay | What happened to him anyways? Finally run off to Pandora? | 07:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, he hates Pandora too. | 07:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno where he ended up. | 07:23 |
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| zerojay | He hates it too now? Wow... I remember that was his baby. | 07:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 07:24 |
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| zerojay | Oh wow. | 07:38 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2500/3994142751_56e437d684.jpg - Cave of Wonders from Aladdin. | 07:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:40 |
| zerojay | Poor fiferboy's getting more facetime in my previews than he's probably had in his life. ;) | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 07:42 |
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| user__ | any good way for lock and delock second panel on the statut bar ? | 07:56 |
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| ArtVanda1ae | Hm... I wonder if Ubuntu's "integration" of Android into Linux will eventually make its way into Maemo. It definitely wouldn't hurt to have all those Android apps available to the platform. | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oooh, Big Lebowski in HD on Netflix. | 07:59 |
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| Macer | wow Stskeeps | 08:20 |
| Macer | you weren't kidding with the network manager plague | 08:20 |
| Macer | all of them suck :) | 08:20 |
| ArtVanda1ae | yeah :( | 08:25 |
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| sulx | bleh...got HW related problem during installing nokia-binaries and now /var/lib/dpkg/status is full of garbage and dpkg --configure -a gives parse error...suggestions how to fix/reset things? | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 09:18 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya | 09:18 |
| wazd | hey all | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | how is stuff? amsterdam seems to have okay weather today | 09:20 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: looks like all good weather is in Amsterdam now :) | 09:25 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: what's up with that devices slide, should I do it? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | too late to change now sadly | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | no laptop here | 09:30 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: damn | 09:30 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: send it to me - I'll edit :P | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe.. slides on a usb stick somewhere and no usb host | 09:32 |
| Macer | man does this touchbook os need some damn work :) | 09:32 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: make a mer for a touchbook | 09:32 |
| Macer | heh | 09:32 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: damn, that suck :D | 09:33 |
| Macer | i'd order you one but by the time you get it the touchbook5 would be out | 09:33 |
| Macer | and the n980 | 09:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm sure there is someone with a laptop there | 09:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: you can kill him and steal it! | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: told you, i think | 09:34 |
| Corsac | ahaha I love the “return the phone to make it silent” stuff | 09:34 |
| wazd | Corsac: this idea is kinda 3 yo :) | 09:35 |
| Corsac | oh :( | 09:35 |
| Macer | ? | 09:35 |
| wazd | Corsac: fitst it was an app for n95 | 09:35 |
| Corsac | Macer: http://www.youtube.com/maemo5uiteam#p/u/0/3eZu3nku2uM | 09:35 |
| wazd | Corsac: well, first time I saw it in action | 09:35 |
| Macer | no flash on touchbook yet | 09:35 |
| Macer | :) | 09:35 |
| Corsac | Macer: but you should have a download stuff for youtube | 09:35 |
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| Macer | Corsac: yeah? | 09:37 |
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| Corsac | yeah | 09:37 |
| wazd | Macer: use Greasemonkey, Luke ;) | 09:37 |
| Corsac | don't know how to use it though | 09:37 |
| Corsac | but if you send me your TB I'll know | 09:38 |
| wazd | greasemonkey + userscripts.org | 09:38 |
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| tigert | use a bookmarklet | 09:42 |
| tigert | works fine on n900 too | 09:42 |
| tigert | javascript:if(document.location.href.match(/http:\/\/[a-zA-Z\.]*youtube\.com\/watch/)){document.location.href='http://www.youtube.com/get_video?fmt='+(isHDAvailable?'22':'18')+'&video_id='+swfArgs['video_id']+'&t='+swfArgs['t']} | 09:42 |
| tigert | bookmark that | 09:43 |
| tigert | and select the bookmark when on the youtube page | 09:43 |
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| wazd | http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/n900_6.jpg <- hihihi | 09:54 |
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| tru | anyone done any qt development on maemo5? is it qt4.5 or qt4.6 that is available in the sdk? I would like to work with the animation framework. | 09:57 |
| adeus | 4.5.3 | 09:58 |
| ensi | tru: qt is available | 09:58 |
| tru | adeus: to bad :/ | 09:58 |
| adeus | you can compile 4.6 to it if you want | 09:58 |
| Shapeshifter | "HildonSetPasswordDialog is deprecated and should not be used in newly-written code." So, what should I do instead. I don't see how hildon_entry can obfuscate what one is typing... | 09:59 |
| tru | of course, but it seems like nokia have patched the included qt to handle hildon. if I compile it myself will all that be included? | 09:59 |
| adeus | if think there's a 4.6 branch for maemo | 10:00 |
| kimitake | tru: not yet | 10:00 |
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| kimitake | now I'm working for 4.6 of diablo | 10:00 |
| tru | Ok. | 10:01 |
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| adeus | I'm guessing it won't have any hildon stuff in it? | 10:02 |
| tru | Should I consider using Qt on Maemo at all btw? I prefer Qt over GTK+, but I don't want to waste my time writing it with something that is not going to work fine. | 10:03 |
| adeus | Qt works just fine | 10:03 |
| adeus | and the next Maemo is Qt | 10:03 |
| tru | very hard to find documentation for Qt on Maemo though, or rather, I couldn't find it. | 10:04 |
| kimitake | how about http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon ? | 10:05 |
| tru | alright. thanks | 10:06 |
| kimitake | and http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon/Qt_Hildon_Widgets for Maemo 5 | 10:06 |
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| tru | kimitake: and Qt4.6 will be available for maemo later? I really think I could do some really nice UI's for maemo with the animation framework. | 10:08 |
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| kimitake | at least, there are some Hildon patch for 4.5 now, so I'm merging them to 4.6-stable based and I will release diablo pkg first | 10:10 |
| kimitake | Nokia guys work for fremantle | 10:10 |
| tru | oh ok. | 10:11 |
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| Myrtti | Stskeeps: poing? | 10:18 |
| johnx | hey Myrtti :) | 10:18 |
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| rm_you | hey Myrtti | 10:19 |
| rm_you | hey johnx | 10:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | if I want to save a password in my app, or other settings, where do I put them? gconf? And does someone know a nice tutorial for gconf on maemo? The API introduction alone isn't really enough. | 10:27 |
| johnx | I'd think a gconf is pretty much the same on maemo as on gnome | 10:28 |
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| Myrtti | ohai johnx, rm_you | 10:32 |
| Shapeshifter | and I would just save the password in cleartext in gconf? | 10:34 |
| Shapeshifter | do apps usually do that? | 10:34 |
| tigert | depends | 10:35 |
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| johnx | Shapeshifter: depends on the value of the password and whether you want to keep it from other people who have local access to the device. | 10:38 |
| johnx | the next step up is using some type of "keychain" (like the gnome keychain) but I don't know if that's available on maemo | 10:38 |
| johnx | seems like a useful thing to port though.. | 10:38 |
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| Hoxzer | Wondering if it is possible to make a phone call over bluetooth with N770 - N810 devices ? | 10:40 |
| Shapeshifter | johnx: yeah I was thinking of that. but well, a phone usually is not shared with other people | 10:40 |
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| jsmanrique | hi! | 10:44 |
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| ototo | Good morning from Amsterdam. The event is about to begin in 15 mins. :) | 10:45 |
| johnx | ototo: headed there now | 10:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | now I'm looking at http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo:_Using_GConf and there's this example gconf_client_set_int(gconfClient, GCONF_DIR "mykey", value, NULL). Now, "mykey" is the path in the gconf tree? so, for my app, the path would need to be "/apps/myapp", so that it is in /apps, or does gconf do that by itself? | 10:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | morning | 10:47 |
| tru | kimitake: this just hit the net: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/09/qt-on-the-n900/ | 10:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | OMG HAI | 10:47 |
| aSIMULAtor | are we all ircing sitting in the N900 conference room? :P | 10:47 |
| Macer | haha | 10:48 |
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| jsmanrique | something has changed from last year if Peter is wearing a jacket | 10:48 |
| jsmanrique | good morning from Gijon (Asturias/Spain) :D | 10:49 |
| Macer | blah. going to go do stuff... night | 10:49 |
| ototo | :) | 10:49 |
| wazd | Just for the mote, I hate you all in Amsterdam :D | 10:49 |
| wazd | s/mote/note/ | 10:49 |
| infobot | wazd meant: Just for the note, I hate you all in Amsterdam :D | 10:49 |
| ototo | Don't please - someone will have to record and report all the stuff happening here for you :) | 10:50 |
| wazd | My Jabber contacts are all offline - Summit time :) | 10:51 |
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| wazd | let's gamble! | 10:53 |
| wazd | I bet skyp guy will announce that n900 will be the fist phone to support skype video call | 10:53 |
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| mavhc | no other phone does that yet? weird | 10:55 |
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| wazd | mavhc: skype video codec is really CPU hungry | 10:56 |
| wazd | mavhc: and I think the only phone with OMAP3 and front camera is n900 :) | 10:56 |
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| ototo | wazd: Would be nice to hear that :) | 10:58 |
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| ototo | Somewhone has set up a webcam looking at the stage on teh first row :) | 10:59 |
| jsmanrique | anyboyd using Qik for summit video streaming? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: pong | 10:59 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: you've met Pasi, right? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, three times now and once in bar yesterday | 11:00 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: would you mind being a fairy godfather and making sure lcuk meets him? I'll buy you a beer | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: i havent seen lcuk yet but i assume he is here | 11:01 |
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| mgedmin810 | "tablet is something you eat when you are sick" -- ari jaaksi | 11:16 |
| ccooke | huh, nobody else here at the summit? | 11:16 |
| ccooke | ah, yes :-) | 11:16 |
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| StsN810 | lo ccooke | 11:16 |
| ccooke | eat a NIT and you *will* be sick... | 11:16 |
| Jucato | probably too busy listening or tweeting or liveblogging :) | 11:16 |
| ccooke | fair | 11:16 |
| ototo | About 400 nobodies ;) | 11:17 |
| mgedmin810 | n in front of the n800 was a big deal internally -- corporate started to believe in maemo then | 11:17 |
| mgedmin810 | n series = crown jewels of nokia | 11:17 |
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| mgedmin810 | demoing a white 770 prototype from early 2005? | 11:20 |
| StsN810 | yeah | 11:20 |
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| onion | looks nice the white 770 model :) | 11:21 |
| ccooke | except without a battery cover | 11:21 |
| onion | well, that | 11:21 |
| ccooke | hmm. flash-based ui prototyping used for the n900 | 11:22 |
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| StsN810 | of course | 11:22 |
| ototo | It's a common practice in Nokia for early stages of product development. | 11:23 |
| ototo | AFAIK at least :) | 11:23 |
| StsN810 | always prototype before implementing | 11:23 |
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| ccooke | StsN810: of course. but it's not always done in flash | 11:24 |
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| mgedmin810 | tracker scares ari | 11:28 |
| ototo | Tracker was a nightmare at some point for Rover. | 11:28 |
| ototo | Not only him :) | 11:28 |
| rm_you | tracker? | 11:29 |
| * rm_you is really out of the loop apparently | 11:29 | |
| mgedmin810 | the file indexing engine | 11:29 |
| ccooke | indexing | 11:29 |
| rm_you | oh | 11:29 |
| rm_you | yeah | 11:29 |
| ccooke | from gnome | 11:29 |
| rm_you | i always killed that thing on n800 | 11:29 |
| rm_you | thought it was called something different | 11:30 |
| ototo | http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/ | 11:30 |
| mgedmin810 | that was metalayer-crawler | 11:30 |
| rm_you | yeah | 11:30 |
| ccooke | n800 didn't use tracker | 11:30 |
| mgedmin810 | tracker is a new thing | 11:30 |
| rm_you | right, that was it | 11:30 |
| rm_you | metalayer-crawler scared me | 11:30 |
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| rm_you | cause it ate my CPU and power | 11:30 |
| rm_you | hrm | 11:30 |
| ccooke | huh. if I hold my n810 lower than my waist, it loses wifi | 11:30 |
| Corsac | is there a live coverage of the summit? | 11:30 |
| rm_you | lol | 11:31 |
| ototo | wondering, do they have torrent trackers at nokia? :) | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | Morning all | 11:31 |
| rm_you | morning Jaffa | 11:31 |
| ototo | morning | 11:31 |
| rmt | ccooke, I suggest you hold your n810 higher than your waist, then. :) | 11:31 |
| rmt | Morning all. :) | 11:31 |
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| mgedmin810 | "how many songs do you have?" "10 thousand" "ok, i've been testing with 20" | 11:31 |
| ccooke | rmt: you're a genius! | 11:31 |
| ototo | xynopsis is posting something on qik | 11:32 |
| * rm_you wonders about downloading/installing Maemo5 SDK on the summit wireless O_o | 11:32 | |
| ccooke | rmt: try it. latency and speed seem good | 11:32 |
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| ototo | rm_you: If you have an USB stick I can copy it to you :) | 11:32 |
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| rm_you | ototo: i do | 11:33 |
| mgedmin810 | grr ctrl+i = close tab in xchat, wtf? | 11:33 |
| ccooke | mgedmin810: irssi. | 11:33 |
| ototo | 3rd row, right side, right near the walkway | 11:33 |
| ototo | tall guy :) | 11:33 |
| ccooke | :-) | 11:33 |
| mgedmin810 | how do I complete nicknames? | 11:33 |
| ccooke | mgedmin810: in what? | 11:33 |
| mgedmin810 | xchat | 11:34 |
| ototo | rm_you: near the central walkway :) | 11:34 |
| ccooke | it ought to be tab, which *is* ctrl-i | 11:34 |
| rm_you | heh will deal with it in a bit :P | 11:34 |
| mgedmin810 | ccooke only in xterm, apparently... | 11:34 |
| zgold | Just discovered that non-english languages in the SDK break things pretty badly | 11:35 |
| ccooke | mgedmin810: yeah. You're basically screwed then :-/ | 11:35 |
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| * ccooke suggests a non-gui irs app | 11:36 | |
| ccooke | irc | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | yo | 11:36 |
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| crashanddie | who's at the summit here? | 11:36 |
| ali12341 | o/ | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: me | 11:36 |
| * ototo is @ summit | 11:36 | |
| * zgold raises hand | 11:36 | |
| * mgedmin810 is | 11:36 | |
| * ccooke | 11:36 | |
| * timsamoff tries to finish my presentation in the 2nd row. ;) | 11:36 | |
| crashanddie | and being bored to death by ari | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | (jk) | 11:36 |
| timsamoff | :p | 11:36 |
| ototo | :) | 11:36 |
| Corsac | and no one has a webcam? | 11:37 |
| zgold | :) | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: where you at dawg? | 11:37 |
| * ccooke is carefully at the back, where he won't spoil anyone's view | 11:37 | |
| crashanddie | ccooke: whereabouts? I'm on the right at the back | 11:37 |
| ccooke | ditto. | 11:37 |
| ototo | There's a webcam on the first row. Have no idea what it is used for though :) | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: about 10 rows back, on right nr. mixer desk | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie | staring at the blue and black screen? | 11:37 |
| mgedmin810 | there are two cameras and a n900 recording video in first row | 11:37 |
| Corsac | and no url? | 11:38 |
| Corsac | :) | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | There was talk of trying to stream to Qik off N900 | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | anyone got a spare n810 battery? I'll buy it off you right this instand (if it hold its charge for more than 2 hours, like mine) | 11:38 |
| ccooke | Jaffa: hope they did | 11:38 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: I nhave a charger :-) | 11:38 |
| ccooke | one moment | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | well, I'll buy the battery if I can't put my hands on an n900 | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: the battery's dead | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: charging doesn't help | 11:39 |
| ccooke | ahh | 11:39 |
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| crashanddie | thanks though | 11:39 |
| ccooke | heh | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | btw, lol at the manual charger | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | I should rig something like that on my bike | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | pedal and charge | 11:40 |
| ccooke | they admit to being surprised at the response to the n900 | 11:40 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: it's a 4 aa battery one | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: oh, right | 11:40 |
| rm_you | i could stream to Qik from my Android device O_o | 11:41 |
| crashanddie | ari is surprised at the quotes appearing on his slide :) | 11:41 |
| rm_you | would that be sacreligious? :P | 11:41 |
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| crashanddie | Ari's daughter, talking about the n900: "Daddy, is this the only thing you can do at work?" | 11:42 |
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| crashanddie | timsamoff: getting there? | 11:43 |
| ccooke | portait browsing soon | 11:44 |
| crashanddie | "First generation of the devices" | 11:44 |
| mgedmin810 | xmas 2009 | 11:44 |
| ccooke | s/soon/"soon"/ | 11:44 |
| infobot | ccooke meant: portait browsing "soon" | 11:44 |
| * jsmanrique searching frade :D | 11:44 | |
| crashanddie | browsing in the subway? With what connectivity? | 11:44 |
| ototo | currently it's only phone and phonebook which are supporting portrait mode | 11:45 |
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| mgedmin810 | ari had "multitouch" for 2 weeks | 11:45 |
| mgedmin810 | broken screen required pressing one corner really hard to register presses elsewhere | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin810: lmao | 11:46 |
| Jucato | hahah :) | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin810: child lock | 11:46 |
| ccooke | strong implicagtion that maemo6 will have multitouch hw. n900 doesn't. | 11:46 |
| zgold | !!!!1 | 11:47 |
| zgold | N900s for Summit participants | 11:47 |
| ototo | and that means it will be a capacitive touch screen | 11:47 |
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| crashanddie | Am I hearing this correctly? | 11:47 |
| onion | sweet | 11:47 |
| mgedmin810 | ooh preproduction n900 free for all of us! | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | free n900 for everyone in the audience | 11:47 |
| Myrtti | :-< | 11:47 |
| ccooke | bloody hell | 11:47 |
| mgedmin810 | only lent for 6 monnths | 11:47 |
| ototo | WOW! | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | GAN800_: I'll take care to have one delivered to you | 11:48 |
| rm_you | lol wow | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | hell yeah | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: hahaha :D | 11:48 |
| * Myrtti pouts | 11:48 | |
| mgedmin810 | nokia's never done thnat before | 11:48 |
| Myrtti | stupid weddings | 11:48 |
| * Myrtti feels bitter | 11:48 | |
| crashanddie | mgedmin810: actually, they did | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin810: they gave n810's at MIT | 11:48 |
| aSIMULAtor | hehe eveyrone have a boner? | 11:49 |
| mgedmin810 | preproduction devices? | 11:49 |
| Robot101 | *crap* went to the wrong summit :( | 11:49 |
| ototo | hard to think about summit now ;) | 11:49 |
| Jucato | 6 months? | 11:49 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin810: no, not preprod, but just "freebies" | 11:49 |
| mgedmin810 | first time they're handing out preprods | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | funny thing is, hotel + flight, I paid more than the price of an n900 :D | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: *No-one*'s ever done that before | 11:50 |
| ccooke | it's a good move | 11:50 |
| rm_you | funny thing is, hotel + flight, THEY paid more than the price of an n900 :D | 11:50 |
| rm_you | but yes, excellent move | 11:51 |
| wjt | Robot101: srsly :( | 11:51 |
| ccooke | rm_you: they like you :-) | 11:51 |
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| rm_you | price of 300 devices compared to all of the developers loyalty + more apps at launch... yes | 11:51 |
| etrunko | yay | 11:51 |
| Myrtti | meh | 11:51 |
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| ccooke | rm_you: yes, but it takes confidence and an understanding of the people involved to do it | 11:52 |
| crashanddie_ | London Exchange just said they were moving to LInux | 11:52 |
| crashanddie_ | anyone else having wifi disconnections? | 11:52 |
| StsN810 | nop | 11:52 |
| ccooke | crashanddie_: some | 11:52 |
| ccooke | not much | 11:53 |
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| ccooke | message: "linux is everywhere in everything" | 11:53 |
| rm_you | well it's been a couple years but it does seem they understand us by now :) | 11:53 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: where's luck? | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | s/luck/lcuk/ | 11:54 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: Jaffa: where's lcuk? | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: and simon? | 11:54 |
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| keesj | Next to me | 11:54 |
| mgedmin810 | gps coords pls ;) | 11:54 |
| StsN810 | ah | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | keesj: which one is that? | 11:54 |
| StsN810 | i think i see lcuk | 11:54 |
| *** ototo is now known as ototo_at_ms2009 | 11:55 | |
| keesj | lcuk | 11:55 |
| StsN810 | next to gcobb too? | 11:55 |
| crashanddie | keesj: hold your hand up plz | 11:55 |
| * rm_you looks around for lcuk | 11:55 | |
| keesj | at 5 o clock | 11:55 |
| mavhc | before the next conference write a wifi triangulation/friend location sharing app | 11:55 |
| range | And now all please stand up and introduce yourself! | 11:55 |
| range | Is there a stream to that room? :)= | 11:56 |
| rm_you | mavhc: was working on that... | 11:56 |
| mgedmin810 | jim zemlin loves the maemo snes emulator | 11:57 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: lcuk and lardman and gcobb and jeremiah and baloo next to me | 11:57 |
| rm_you | almost had it done for copenhagen but then switched APIs <_< | 11:57 |
| ccooke | hmm, wonder how we can keep the economy bad ;-) | 11:57 |
| mgedmin810 | bad economy = good year for linux adoption | 11:57 |
| mgedmin810 | the price is right | 11:58 |
| mgedmin810 | Jaffa: left or right half? which row? | 11:58 |
| Corsac | rah | 11:58 |
| rm_you | did this guy speak at OSiM? | 11:58 |
| * timsamoff wonders what the percentage of actual active maemo.org people are here compared with press and others. | 11:58 | |
| mgedmin810 | I'm in row 2 near the center aisle | 11:58 |
| Corsac | there were openmoko at debconf, now n900 at maemo summut | 11:58 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: guessing there's no seat available close to you guys? | 11:58 |
| Corsac | and I'm not in either | 11:58 |
| Corsac | >< | 11:58 |
| StsN810 | corsac, no free devices at debconf afaik | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: About 10 rows from front on right | 11:59 |
| mgedmin810 | jim complains that nobody gave him a n900 | 11:59 |
| crashanddie | News: "Nokia bribes Linux Foundation VP" | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: you two back on left? | 11:59 |
| mgedmin810 | peter runs up and hands one | 11:59 |
| timsamoff | crashanddie Sorry, I missed your context... I was typing typing... ;) | 11:59 |
| crashanddie | timsamoff: I was asking if you were getting somewhere? | 11:59 |
| timsamoff | Yeah yeah. ;) | 12:00 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: a few mid-row in front | 12:02 |
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| ototo_at_ms2009 | Using a car from BMW a s Linux terminal sounds funny ;) | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: I'm at your 4 o'clock | 12:02 |
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| * timsamoff rocks around the clock. | 12:06 | |
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| rm_you | anyone else think that slide was kind of confusing? >_> | 12:07 |
| StsN810 | someone forgot the hw vendors for parts/cpus/gpus and periprials(sp) in that diagram before | 12:08 |
| ccooke | nice example: guy from nokia submits a patch to improve battery life, supercomputer in paris benefits | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | lol: Linux Foundation: "I don't need to convince this crowd that software should be free" | 12:09 |
| ototo_at_ms2009 | HW might be free soon as well. | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | well, mate, you might ;) | 12:09 |
| mgedmin810 | prediction: sw = $0, hw = $0, service fees = $$$ | 12:10 |
| * timeless arrives @ams | 12:10 | |
| crashanddie | timeless: get your ass here before lunch | 12:10 |
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| ccooke | timeless: quick! before your n900 kis given away! | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | timeless: you owe me a beer | 12:10 |
| timeless | ok | 12:11 |
| timeless | where do i buy 3day tram passes? | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | inside the station IIRC | 12:11 |
| mgedmin810 | jim shows ms ad with frankenpenguins | 12:11 |
| mgedmin810 | 'need for standards' | 12:11 |
| ototo_at_ms2009 | timeless: central station or tourist information points | 12:12 |
| ccooke | timeless: you might not be able to use cards in the machines, but the ticket desk inn the station has one desk that can sell them | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | "One day you will have to give back -- not because you are nice, but because it too expensive to do otherwise." | 12:12 |
| mgedmin810 | timeless: my hotel had them @ the reception, but this is probably not useful for you now | 12:12 |
| * StsN810 doesn't agree with this guy | 12:12 | |
| StsN810 | yeah, he might as to | 12:12 |
| ensi | if doing a GUI for maemo with Qt are there are any special design contraints to be taken into account? | 12:12 |
| StsN810 | ototo, no.. environment isnt for it yet | 12:12 |
| StsN810 | welcome timeless | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: cards work. Just select "credit card" and insert visa/mastercard | 12:12 |
| ensi | or can one just use standard Qt components and the framework takes care of proper layout? | 12:12 |
| timeless | which ticket desk | 12:12 |
| ccooke | StsN810: ditto, on t least a few points | 12:13 |
| timeless | thanks stskeep | 12:13 |
| timeless | s | 12:13 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: you can't use credit cards for some things | 12:13 |
| StsN810 | ccooke, on the other hand you need to be a bit delusional for his job | 12:13 |
| ccooke | yeah | 12:13 |
| rm_you | hrmrm, did finally get dropped from wifi for a min | 12:13 |
| rm_you | timeless: lol finally | 12:13 |
| ccooke | he's broadly right, but very optimistic | 12:14 |
| rm_you | timeless: you may only need one ticket... | 12:14 |
| rm_you | timeless: we only bought the one ticket to our hotel, the rest is all walking (the city is pretty small, or the area we need to be in is, at least | 12:14 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: lol... When you're in the UK, you can't use debit cards for some things, and here it's the opposite? Sod it. | 12:14 |
| mgedmin810 | Jim pimps LSB | 12:14 |
| StsN810 | its cos you are using android, rm_you | 12:14 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: and their debit cards are only maestro. no visa debit works | 12:14 |
| rm_you | StsN810: lol, i am on my laptop currently in ubuntu :P | 12:14 |
| StsN810 | hehe | 12:14 |
| mgedmin810 | walking from centraal station to westerpark = 30 mins? | 12:15 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: good to know, my company might have some business here then :P | 12:15 |
| timsamoff | mgedmin810 more like 20. | 12:15 |
| timeless | ok, is there a url for how to get there | 12:15 |
| crashanddie | timeless: maps.google.com | 12:15 |
| mgedmin810 | timeless google maps has a map | 12:16 |
| mgedmin810 | custom map for maemo summit | 12:16 |
| mgedmin810 | with pois | 12:16 |
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| crashanddie | So why would you want to protect your idea if it's not a patent? | 12:16 |
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| ccooke | ooh, he *is* an optimist | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | Either you want to protect it and you file a patent, or you don't want to protect it, and you don't patent it | 12:17 |
| rm_you | not really protect your idea, but protect your idea from being protected against you | 12:17 |
| ccooke | "fit&finish: I think linux is very good at this, but we can always get better" | 12:17 |
| rm_you | because annoying people take your idea that you are trying to give away, and then protect it for themselves, from you :P | 12:17 |
| StsN810 | ccooke, heck, even i have to be a bit delusional wrt mer ;) | 12:17 |
| mgedmin810 | I thought he said *not* very good | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | rm_you: then you just patent it and don't enforce it | 12:18 |
| rm_you | crashanddie: T_T | 12:18 |
| glass__ | you publish it somewhere and make it clear on which date it was published | 12:18 |
| mgedmin810 | he named fit&finish as his 3rd challenge | 12:18 |
| ccooke | mgedmin810: I heard it as it *is* good. amyone else? | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | glass__: prior art doesn't protect from patent trolls, and lawyer fees will bring down a lot of people very quickly | 12:18 |
| ccooke | one of us must have misheard :-) | 12:18 |
| rm_you | thats essentially what that defense of patent thing he's talking about IS. it's just the official way of doing that | 12:18 |
| Myrtti | so the hell has frozen over couple of times today | 12:18 |
| glass__ | crashanddie: nothing protects you from trolls | 12:18 |
| rm_you | and making it clear at the same time that you aren't going to be protecting a patent | 12:19 |
| Myrtti | nokia gives out free phones, and obama wins the peace prize. | 12:19 |
| Myrtti | let me go fill my lottery ticket. | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: heard the same, he said "linux is pretty good at this" | 12:19 |
| ototo | :D | 12:19 |
| ccooke | right | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | or maybe it's just sound distortion in the back | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | :D | 12:19 |
| * mgedmin810 has high standards, linux fails to meet them | 12:19 | |
| ccooke | he's making good points about the valuje of upstream testing | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: the chick next to you looks pretty hawt, go for it | 12:19 |
| StsN810 | reality distortion field in place | 12:19 |
| mgedmin810 | pls no sexism | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | it's not sexism | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | she's good looking, dasall | 12:20 |
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| mgedmin810 | go read | 12:20 |
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| timsamoff | Co-Creation Day pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iskosalminen/sets/72157622423097193/ | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | haha, ccooke just typed /clear so the girl wouldn't read my ranting :P | 12:21 |
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| mgedmin810 | apple: free vs fabulous | 12:21 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:21 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: nope, you're still at risk | 12:21 |
| mgedmin810 | jim: we can be both | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 12:22 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: don't think she'll map my nickname to my face... | 12:22 |
| mgedmin810 | invites human interaction designers | 12:22 |
| crashanddie | ccooke: crap... my nickname is written in bright orange on my name tag | 12:22 |
| * rm_you thoroughly /agrees with this slide | 12:22 | |
| Myrtti | please don't be dicks | 12:22 |
| ccooke | crashanddie: quite | 12:22 |
| rm_you | Myrtti: this is why programmers / computer nerds stereotypically don't do well with the opposite gender >_> | 12:22 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: sounds like odz | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: assimilate the designers into our community | 12:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | hi can i join your ecosystem | 12:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | i can totally irc | 12:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm already doing it | 12:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | please let me in your group pls pls | 12:23 |
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| crashanddie | aSIMULAtor: sorry? | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | aSIMULAtor: weren't you supposed to be at the summit? | 12:23 |
| StsN810 | asim; hehe | 12:23 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm in the summit :P | 12:23 |
| timsamoff | aSIMULAtor :D | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm commenting on his comment | 12:24 |
| crashanddie | aSIMULAtor: ah, ol | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | about being integrated into the community with the geek developers :P | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | we has to hold hands | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | and be friends | 12:24 |
| crashanddie | aSIMULAtor: stick your hand up | 12:24 |
| mgedmin810 | and sing | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | lol look to the right side, 3rd row | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | you just stared at me i think | 12:24 |
| crashanddie | in the front? | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm in back of you | 12:24 |
| aSIMULAtor | yeah i' in the front | 12:25 |
| crashanddie | lolwut? I'm in the back of the room | 12:25 |
| aSIMULAtor | oh who just stared at me lol | 12:25 |
| * timsamoff breaks. | 12:25 | |
| aSIMULAtor | yz break time | 12:25 |
| ototo | break for 15 mins now | 12:25 |
| * mgedmin810 was trying to spot aSIM... | 12:25 | |
| mgedmin810 | grrr want tab completion | 12:26 |
| *** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY] | 12:26 | |
| mgedmin810 | 15 min break | 12:26 |
| rm_you | alright I suppose i could use that SDK now :P | 12:27 |
| rm_you | ototo: you still around? :P | 12:27 |
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| ototo | yeah | 12:27 |
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| ototo | sitting in the 3rd row | 12:27 |
| rm_you | sitting in fourth row on the left | 12:27 |
| tigert | this is like geeks playing with "physical reality" for the first time ;) | 12:27 |
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| ototo | I' right on the edge of the central passage | 12:28 |
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| rm_you | seeing whats on my flashdrive | 12:28 |
| mavhc | "where's the search button" | 12:28 |
| ototo | :) | 12:28 |
| mavhc | I keep saying then when I stop in real shops | 12:28 |
| rm_you | how big is everything | 12:28 |
| ototo | well, less then 100M | 12:28 |
| ototo | but it's not everything | 12:29 |
| ototo | no nokia specific binaries onboard - you have to apt-get them yourself ;) | 12:29 |
| rm_you | alright, deleted the season premier episode of Bones, have room now :P | 12:29 |
| mgedmin810 | coffee access problematic | 12:29 |
| mgedmin810 | lots of people per meter squared | 12:29 |
| ototo | now just find 2 guys sitting in the 3rd row | 12:29 |
| rm_you | look left, and catch | 12:30 |
| timeless | aww | 12:30 |
| timeless | but i wanted to see that | 12:30 |
| rm_you | timeless: still have it on my laptop ;P no worries | 12:31 |
| rm_you | well, i hope i do O_o | 12:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | my app works but it feels a bit dodgy because the button animation stays on "pressed" while the function connected to the clicked signal is run. I also tried using the released signal instead, but it's the same. How can I accomplish that the button gets visually released while the rest happens in the background? | 12:33 |
| timeless | ok | 12:33 |
| * mgedmin810 is defeated by the packaging of a milky way bar | 12:33 | |
| timeless | help! | 12:33 |
| timeless | where precisely do i go | 12:33 |
| timeless | and don't make me use the web | 12:34 |
| mgedmin810 | timeless: have a map? | 12:34 |
| timeless | no | 12:34 |
| mgedmin810 | what street are you on? | 12:34 |
| timeless | should i buy one? | 12:34 |
| timeless | ams central train station | 12:34 |
| * mgedmin810 uses maemo mapper and downloads maps | 12:34 | |
| timeless | i just bought a pass | 12:35 |
| timeless | and i have lugagar | 12:35 |
| timeless | until someone gibes me a roo | 12:35 |
| timeless | no walking | 12:35 |
| timeless | extreemely frustrated and hungry | 12:35 |
| mgedmin810 | timeless: looking for hotel then? | 12:36 |
| mgedmin810 | ibis is right next to the station | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless: there's an awesome thai restaurant near the read light district, cheap as well. | 12:36 |
| mgedmin810 | exit south, turn west | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | aww I want to go there now | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | but I'm not in amsterdam :| | 12:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | timeless where are you :) | 12:37 |
| timeless | at the railway station | 12:37 |
| timeless | vvv wasting money on a map | 12:37 |
| mgedmin810 | and where do you want to go? | 12:37 |
| mgedmin810 | food, hotel, summit? | 12:38 |
| timeless | the event | 12:38 |
| mgedmin810 | it's by the westerpark | 12:38 |
| timeless | uhuh | 12:38 |
| timeless | by tram? | 12:38 |
| mgedmin810 | I walked, sorry, dunno which bus to take | 12:38 |
| mgedmin810 | openstreetmap has no bus stations | 12:39 |
| timeless | 21\us | 12:40 |
| mgedmin810 | westerpark is straight west, about 2km | 12:40 |
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| aSIMULAtor | hurry up and get here we're on break :P | 12:42 |
| * mgedmin810 oom again | 12:42 | |
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| Shapeshifter | so there is free wlan at the summit? | 12:43 |
| mgedmin810 | yes | 12:43 |
| mgedmin810 | oh maemo mapper, so hungry | 12:43 |
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| * mgedmin810 hasn't noticed lcuk yet | 12:45 | |
| tigert | didint he miss his passport? | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | that was GeneralAntilles | 12:46 |
| tigert | or was it someone else | 12:46 |
| tigert | ah right, duh | 12:46 |
| tigert | bummer anyhow | 12:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | lcuk is here | 12:46 |
| aSIMULAtor | just saw him outside | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - his passport got missed for him. | 12:47 |
| Mek | lcuk definately is here, we share a hotel room | 12:47 |
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| ccooke | break over | 12:50 |
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| ccooke | now getting the nseries pov | 12:50 |
| ototo | me managed to get an apple :) | 12:50 |
| ototo | fruit one, not company | 12:51 |
| ccooke | hmm, mer on iphone | 12:51 |
| wazd | anything hot? | 12:51 |
| ccooke | that would amuse | 12:51 |
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| onion | heh | 12:51 |
| rm_you | lol | 12:51 |
| wazd | Too lowres imo | 12:52 |
| mgedmin810 | adoption curve: innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority, laggards | 12:52 |
| ccooke | agreed | 12:52 |
| mgedmin810 | coverage at coveritlive.com = good, I can see what I missed while I was concentrated on typing | 12:54 |
| mgedmin810 | but fixed 320px width? wtf? | 12:55 |
| ccooke | er, what? | 12:55 |
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| mgedmin810 | planet.maemo.org, late last night, blog post about live coverage | 12:55 |
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| mgedmin810 | http://www.coveritlive.com/mobile.php?option=com_mobile&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=b1272d4ae4 | 12:56 |
| rm_you | all these slides with charts are very.... interesting (read: abstract / confusing) | 12:56 |
| rm_you | maybe it's just me | 12:56 |
| mgedmin810 | whee, slides don't fit on screen | 12:56 |
| mgedmin810 | text cut off | 12:56 |
| ccooke | rm_you: dunno, can't read them from here | 12:56 |
| StsN810 | this better get adjusted :P | 12:57 |
| rm_you | heh | 12:57 |
| rm_you | i don't think theres MUCH cut off... <_< | 12:57 |
| * mgedmin810 has bad eyesight, therefore sits *near the stage* | 12:57 | |
| StsN810 | i DEMAND the i back in internet | 12:57 |
| mgedmin810 | um, sts you are | 12:58 |
| * ototo uses glasses to drive a car, left those in the car, sitting on the 3rd row :D | 12:58 | |
| Jaffa | StsN810: So much for the full Internet experience ;-) | 12:58 |
| StsN810 | hehe | 12:58 |
| rm_you | yeah my glasses are pretty far away currently <_< | 12:58 |
| rm_you | like, halfway around the globe | 12:58 |
| StsN810 | n-ternet | 12:58 |
| rm_you | thus i sat in the third row :P | 12:59 |
| mgedmin810 | talking about maemo 6 now | 12:59 |
| mgedmin810 | "the fifth step" | 12:59 |
| timeless | ok, i gave up, left my stuff and am walking | 12:59 |
| Corsac | was there any update about release date? | 13:00 |
| ototo | timeless: run! :) | 13:00 |
| ototo | nope, no updates | 13:00 |
| timeless | not in this shoe | 13:00 |
| jjardon | seems that Qt will be offcially suppported in fremantle: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/09/qt-on-the-n900/ | 13:00 |
| zgold | Difference between 4th step and 5th step is 'mainstream' | 13:00 |
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| mgedmin810 | 'iconic user experience' | 13:01 |
| mgedmin810 | users ought to go 'woooow' | 13:01 |
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| ototo | Nokia is an Aikon if rou read it backwards ;) | 13:01 |
| wazd | Steve Jobs in da house?)) | 13:01 |
| ototo | Aikonik ;) | 13:01 |
| jjardon | sn´t it then maemo 6? | 13:02 |
| mgedmin810 | integrated Internet services | 13:02 |
| mgedmin810 | not sure what he means | 13:02 |
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| mgedmin810 | true challenge: aesthetics | 13:02 |
| wazd | VDVsx: fuck! I've completely screwed up, I'm soo sorry((( | 13:03 |
| ototo | "widgets everywhere" :) | 13:03 |
| VDVsx | wazd, what ? | 13:03 |
| VDVsx | what did you did that time ? :P | 13:04 |
| ototo | reminds old java's "write once, run everywhere".... | 13:04 |
| wazd | Vdvsx: I forgot to send you buttons(( | 13:04 |
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| Jaffa | "Canvas-style UX"? | 13:04 |
| VDVsx | wazd, np :) | 13:04 |
| mgedmin810 | ui: large pannable canvas, widgets everywhere (i.e. more than one app, iiuc) | 13:04 |
| ccooke | "multi-tasking simpple" | 13:04 |
| rm_you | is a2dp included this time? :P | 13:05 |
| StsN810 | fixedinfremantle | 13:05 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:05 |
| VDVsx | fixedinInverna :P | 13:06 |
| zgold | *looks around* There are 5+ irssi windows within my field of view | 13:06 |
| mavhc | zooming user interface? | 13:06 |
| wazd | Eeek | 13:07 |
| ccooke | zgold: and many more out of it :-) | 13:07 |
| mgedmin810 | the talk is low on specifics, more about general ideas | 13:07 |
| * rm_you is using xchat | 13:07 | |
| mgedmin810 | 24/7 connectivity etc | 13:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | young world explorers etc | 13:07 |
| aSIMULAtor | *yawn* | 13:07 |
| mgedmin810 | fresh look at user experience paradigms, etc | 13:07 |
| ccooke | rm_you: well, we can't all be right :-) | 13:07 |
| mgedmin810 | localization | 13:08 |
| * rm_you could switch to irssi :P | 13:08 | |
| mgedmin810 | locally relevant services | 13:08 |
| mgedmin810 | change the world | 13:08 |
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| mgedmin810 | yes we can, together | 13:09 |
| ccooke | mgedmin810: :-) | 13:09 |
| zgold | It would be fantastic if there was a second screen/projector with the irc channel | 13:09 |
| StsN810 | save the cheerleader, save the world | 13:09 |
| rm_you | hey, maybe now that obama won the nobel peace prize, i can stop apologizing to people for being american? :P | 13:09 |
| StsN810 | or something | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | And WTF. | 13:10 |
| rm_you | zgold: no, that would be SCARY | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't give it to a president in their first year until you work out they're not going to end up their term invading shit. | 13:10 |
| tigert | zgold: we did that in the early guadecs I think | 13:10 |
| SafPlusPlus | I have seen a presentation with a screen with IRC once... I didn't pay much attention to the presentation... so that was kinda bad. | 13:10 |
| SpeedEvil | (the peace prize) | 13:10 |
| tigert | but yeah | 13:10 |
| tigert | it draws attention from the presentation | 13:10 |
| tigert | but it could work in the hackroom wall | 13:10 |
| mgedmin810 | yep, irc *distracts* | 13:10 |
| glass | the semi-annual global warming prize | 13:11 |
| rm_you | lol | 13:11 |
| SafPlusPlus | Yeah, very much so | 13:11 |
| rm_you | "grilling" the user experiences guy | 13:11 |
| mgedmin810 | back to n900 and maemo 5 | 13:11 |
| * rm_you gets out his barbeque tools | 13:11 | |
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| mgedmin810 | janne heikkinen | 13:12 |
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| mgedmin810 | smells of lunch distract | 13:12 |
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| rm_you | anyone know what lunch *is*? | 13:13 |
| * rm_you is strangely not very hungry yet | 13:13 | |
| mgedmin810 | lunch is food eaten in the middle of the day | 13:13 |
| mgedmin810 | get a dictionary | 13:13 |
| xnt14 | ~seen lcuk | 13:13 |
| infobot | lcuk <i=lcuk@cpc3-oldh7-0-0-cust590.manc.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 14h 17m 9s ago, saying: 'gnite folks'. | 13:14 |
| rm_you | thanks mgedmin :P | 13:14 |
| mgedmin810 | ;) | 13:14 |
| mgedmin810 | sharing plugins | 13:14 |
| mgedmin810 | for things like uploading photos | 13:15 |
| mgedmin810 | write support for your website | 13:15 |
| rm_you | so did they like, pay the facebook people to get an app ready? or are they just talking about m.facebook.com? >_> | 13:15 |
| mgedmin810 | chat protocol: plugins | 13:15 |
| rm_you | cause the android facebook app just came out like this month | 13:15 |
| mgedmin810 | browser plugins | 13:15 |
| mgedmin810 | this talk about what developers can do | 13:15 |
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| mgedmin810 | not about what is shipped | 13:16 |
| mgedmin810 | 'most powerful innovation platform yet' | 13:16 |
| SafPlusPlus | Where is the lunch held, btw? | 13:16 |
| mgedmin810 | I expect they'll tell us after the talk | 13:16 |
| zgold | Any speculation on when/hjow they're giving out the devices? | 13:17 |
| * mgedmin810 is very far from the exit, will end up @ end of queue... | 13:17 | |
| mgedmin810 | I expect at the end of the day | 13:17 |
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| mgedmin810 | so we don't start playing during talks | 13:17 |
| rm_you | the queue is going to be ridiculous | 13:17 |
| mgedmin810 | 400 ppl | 13:18 |
| rm_you | 300 | 13:18 |
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| mgedmin810 | they extended the limit, I heard | 13:18 |
| rm_you | yeah but they said 300 devices | 13:18 |
| rm_you | so prolly only the original batch | 13:18 |
| mgedmin810 | because nokian's won't be getting them | 13:18 |
| mgedmin810 | and 20% of ppl here are nokians | 13:19 |
| mgedmin810 | hm | 13:19 |
| rm_you | yeah and i guess like 100 people here already have them | 13:19 |
| ccooke | and some already have an n900 | 13:19 |
| rm_you | there were a LOT of hands up earlier when he asked | 13:19 |
| * SafPlusPlus grins. | 13:19 | |
| SafPlusPlus | Indeed. | 13:19 |
| timeless | ok, found big sign | 13:20 |
| timeless | now where? | 13:20 |
| ccooke | timeless: where are you? | 13:20 |
| mgedmin810 | big sign which? | 13:20 |
| rm_you | timeless: the big sign for what? | 13:20 |
| timeless | maemolorg | 13:20 |
| mgedmin810 | welcome/registration? | 13:20 |
| rm_you | yeah look for a bunch of streetsign looking signs on a pole | 13:20 |
| rm_you | they are maemo signs | 13:20 |
| mgedmin810 | go west, northwest, west, north | 13:21 |
| rm_you | they pretty much all point the same way | 13:21 |
| mgedmin810 | but you need a badge | 13:21 |
| rm_you | go to registration and then out of that room and sort of leftish | 13:21 |
| timeless | ah | 13:21 |
| timeless | cute | 13:21 |
| rm_you | there is a map inside your badge | 13:21 |
| mgedmin810 | yep | 13:21 |
| rm_you | so once you get that, head to the N900 room | 13:21 |
| mgedmin810 | and timetable | 13:21 |
| mgedmin810 | and wpa pwd | 13:22 |
| ccooke | w | 13:22 |
| ccooke | oops | 13:22 |
| timeless | very cute | 13:22 |
| mgedmin810 | q1 2010 official qt for n900 | 13:22 |
| mgedmin810 | today: alpha version | 13:22 |
| tru | good stuff. | 13:23 |
| etrunko | see the video on qt labs http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/09/qt-on-the-n900/ | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | BTW, N900 Flash player stills play sound if you're on the silent profile | 13:23 |
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| mgedmin810 | probably feature? | 13:25 |
| mgedmin810 | silent = no system sounds != mute | 13:25 |
| zerojay | Dammit. | 13:25 |
| mgedmin810 | does media player play sound in the silent profile? | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | "Maemo Extras" and "Maemo.org Extras Testing" | 13:26 |
| StsN810 | havoc ensues | 13:27 |
| * mgedmin810 attacked by sunlight coming through a crack | 13:27 | |
| Jaffa | mgedmin810: You're on a mission from God | 13:27 |
| ototo | :) | 13:27 |
| * timsamoff is ready to see some flips down the center isle. | 13:28 | |
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| waz1 | looks like it's time for n800 reflash :) | 13:29 |
| * Jaffa has just promted Hermes to extras-testing | 13:29 | |
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| * zerojay updates. | 13:29 | |
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| mgedmin810 | 'ogg support' mentioned as an app that's available on day 1 | 13:30 |
| mgedmin810 | and fbreader too | 13:30 |
| ccooke | that's a change | 13:30 |
| mgedmin810 | also facebook widget + photo uploader | 13:30 |
| zerojay | Not available from Nokia. | 13:30 |
| mgedmin810 | maemo extras I think | 13:31 |
| waz1 | Omweather is available from day -36) | 13:31 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 13:31 |
| VDVsx | timeless, I'm here now :) | 13:31 |
| rm_you | heh | 13:31 |
| mgedmin810 | maemo 6 device | 13:32 |
| mgedmin810 | omap 3, open gl es, wvga resolution --- stay same | 13:32 |
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| Jaffa | Sounds like it'll run on N900 perhaps | 13:32 |
| mgedmin810 | multitouch, capacitive | 13:32 |
| ototo | good | 13:32 |
| ccooke | "multitouch in capacitive displays" - sounds like they won't have to be capacitive | 13:33 |
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| Jaffa | ccooke: s/in/on/ | 13:33 |
| * ototo is wondering, when multicore omap will be available | 13:33 | |
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| Jaffa | PlayReady DRM | 13:34 |
| zerojay | Reading the scrollback... I feel like I've been kicked in the chest. | 13:34 |
| StsN810 | interesting | 13:34 |
| mgedmin810 | want to support mainstream content (for-pay), drm | 13:34 |
| ccooke | zerojay: oh? | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | timeless: nice shades! | 13:34 |
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| zerojay | ccooke: Because I *should* be there right now. | 13:35 |
| mgedmin810 | xplatform frameworks: qt, nokia web runtime | 13:35 |
| ccooke | zerojay: ah :-/ | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: you're not? | 13:35 |
| rm_you | timeless: lol you finally here? | 13:35 |
| mgedmin810 | what's that? | 13:35 |
| waz1 | zerojay, relax, imagine how I feel)) | 13:35 |
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| StsN810 | wb johnx | 13:36 |
| waz1 | Zerojay: I should be there. Twice.) | 13:36 |
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| Khertan_maesum | Hi guys ! | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | hi Khertan_maesum! | 13:36 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Work said "we need you here for something important" at the last second... and what really pisses me off is that there's NOTHING important to do. :/ | 13:36 |
| waz1 | Heya | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_maesum: Not seen you yet | 13:36 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: And believe me, if I was there, you'd know right away. I'm very hard to miss. | 13:37 |
| Khertan_maesum | hehé i m near | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: bastards | 13:37 |
| Khertan_maesum | arrived a bit in late | 13:37 |
| timeless | arrived n900 room | 13:37 |
| StsN810 | phew, schedules | 13:37 |
| mgedmin810 | tech preview for maemo 6 ui: q4 2009 | 13:37 |
| timeless | where are people | 13:37 |
| ccooke | uui preview of harm today | 13:37 |
| Khertan_maesum | i arrived when they announce the loan device for participants :) | 13:37 |
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| waz1 | Oooh, nice | 13:37 |
| mgedmin810 | qt for maemo *6* sdk alpha: q1 2010 | 13:37 |
| waz1 | Footage allowed? | 13:37 |
| mgedmin810 | beta q2 | 13:38 |
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| timeless | jaffa: where are you? | 13:38 |
| rm_you | timeless: all over | 13:38 |
| Khertan_maesum | ouch the concept ! | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | timeless: look right, two rows back | 13:38 |
| mgedmin810 | ui concept sketch | 13:38 |
| timeless | oops | 13:38 |
| timeless | copyright violation: zelda | 13:38 |
| mgedmin810 | panning over a large virtual desktop (canvas) | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | left | 13:39 |
| Jaffa | letiMaemo 6 is liqbase.... | 13:39 |
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| Jaffa | xxx | 13:39 |
| rm_you | roflcopter | 13:39 |
| ccooke | Jaffa: quite a bit, yeah | 13:39 |
| Khertan_maesum | does in the game i see zelda ? | 13:39 |
| waz1 | or palm pre :D | 13:39 |
| jeremiah | Harmattan in liqbase with Qt | 13:39 |
| johnx | hey. the x11 virtual desktop is back ;p | 13:39 |
| ccooke | (why isn't lcuk working for nokia yet?) | 13:39 |
| Khertan_maesum | on the sketch near the tetris clone ... | 13:39 |
| ccooke | :-) | 13:40 |
| * Jaffa thought Harmattan 3Q10 | 13:40 | |
| rm_you | yeah srsly lcuk | 13:40 |
| Khertan_maesum | lol yes it s look like liqbase :) | 13:40 |
| * rm_you wonders why lcuk isnt in channel | 13:40 | |
| mgedmin810 | I think he applied, now waits for nokia's response? | 13:40 |
| jeremiah | Oh yeah, Nokia bought Dopplr, I forgot about that | 13:40 |
| ccooke | portrait&landscape | 13:40 |
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| Jaffa | Tech preview on gitorious? | 13:41 |
| johnx | that concept art demands a theme | 13:41 |
| mgedmin810 | portrait and landscape ui | 13:41 |
| StsN810 | technical preview out on maemo.gitor | 13:41 |
| mgedmin810 | hm | 13:41 |
| johnx | really digging the sketxh style art | 13:41 |
| Khertan_maesum | hum ... why not | 13:41 |
| jeremiah | "Technical preview out today on maemo.gitorious.org" | 13:41 |
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| tru | will maemo 6 work on the n900 as well? or will it be a new hardware again? | 13:42 |
| waz1 | Vlad told that everyone gon a n900 =) | 13:42 |
| Jaffa | tru: H/w platform soounds similar | 13:42 |
| ccooke | tru: sounds like it'll run | 13:42 |
| rm_you | doubt they'll do new hardware that soon | 13:42 |
| Khertan_maesum | maemo six support omap3 | 13:42 |
| rm_you | it should work find | 13:42 |
| waz1 | got | 13:42 |
| * Jaffa is betting it'll be available | 13:42 | |
| johnx | tru, no one knows. not even nokia | 13:42 |
| Khertan_maesum | so look like it could run on n900 | 13:42 |
| ccooke | tru: they said they're sticking to omap3, opengl and wvga | 13:42 |
| jeremiah | waz1: Yeah, they are giving out 300 N900's for a six month loan | 13:42 |
| Jucato | except for the multitouch stuff | 13:42 |
| * timeless moves back | 13:42 | |
| StsN810 | there is always mer | 13:42 |
| Khertan_maesum | héhé | 13:43 |
| timeless | jeremiah, can i leach power from you? | 13:43 |
| * Jaffa == excited | 13:43 | |
| waz1 | French detected!!11 | 13:43 |
| Khertan_maesum | where too ? | 13:43 |
| Khertan_maesum | -o | 13:43 |
| Khertan_maesum | :) | 13:44 |
| timeless | clap: it's over | 13:44 |
| Khertan_maesum | haha | 13:44 |
| mgedmin810 | ooh n900 handouts explained now? | 13:44 |
| Khertan_maesum | the interesting parts :) | 13:44 |
| * jeremiah starts r00ting timeless' N900 | 13:44 | |
| waz1 | Now skype? | 13:44 |
| johnx | ain't over to the fat lady sings | 13:44 |
| mgedmin810 | 300 != 400 . . . | 13:45 |
| timeless | that's a slightly older flash | 13:45 |
| VDVsx | should I 'apply' for a newer device ? :P | 13:45 |
| timeless | but it has rotation support for the browsr | 13:45 |
| jeremiah | Suddenly got quiet here | 13:45 |
| waz1 | I'm sure bout videocalls :) | 13:45 |
| timeless | aww | 13:45 |
| mgedmin810 | 'we should be fine' if nokian's and contractors stay away | 13:45 |
| timeless | may not | 13:45 |
| timeless | does that mean may? | 13:46 |
| Khertan_maesum | lol | 13:46 |
| timeless | fingrish | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | eh? | 13:46 |
| timeless | he meant must not | 13:46 |
| zerojay | timeless: I should be there with you so we could correct them in realtime. | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | I'm gonna fight tooth and claw for one of them - I don't have one. | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | :( | 13:46 |
| timeless | jeremiahh: turn it on | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | what? | 13:46 |
| timeless | open browser | 13:46 |
| mgedmin810 | return on april 30 | 13:46 |
| jeremiah | "Nokia employeses and Nokia subcontractors may not participate" | 13:47 |
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| timeless | who pays shipping? | 13:47 |
| jeremiah | >:| | 13:47 |
| waz1 | What about dev program? | 13:47 |
| johnx | yay. washing machine! | 13:48 |
| waz1 | Any news? | 13:48 |
| Khertan_maesum | oh ! mean get it today ? | 13:48 |
| timeless | they'll be mobbed | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | I think you are chatting on the dev program | 13:48 |
| mgedmin810 | no mention yet | 13:48 |
| jeremiah | *clapping* | 13:48 |
| timeless | that mostly means local maps | 13:48 |
| * timeless watches jeremiah search for the power key | 13:49 | |
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| timsamoff | Free device time. | 13:49 |
| mgedmin810 | hardest decision: lunch or device? | 13:49 |
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| Jucato | hahah device first! lunch can always wait :) | 13:50 |
| Khertan_maesum | go go go :) | 13:50 |
| Khertan_maesum | what a jaffa look like ? | 13:51 |
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| LoCusF | I got ramzez modules for N900 ready, PM me if you want to try it? | 13:52 |
| LoCusF | s/ramzez/ramzswap | 13:52 |
| waz1 | Haha, everyone is out for lunch) | 13:53 |
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| javispedro | naaaaaa na na na na naaaaaaaaa | 13:57 |
| javispedro | morning. | 13:57 |
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| zerojay | http://zerojay.com/misc/classic-gaming-wallpapers_1.1-1maemo0.deb if anyone's interested. Let me know what you think. :) | 13:58 |
| javispedro | hi zerojay | 13:58 |
| zerojay | hey. | 13:58 |
| javispedro | was wondering | 13:59 |
| javispedro | do you have the src pkg for that? | 13:59 |
| zerojay | qwerty gave me probably everything needed for it.. but since none of the deb package tools wanted to work for me and scratchbox is suddenly fucked, I just made the package manually. | 13:59 |
| javispedro | aps. | 13:59 |
| zerojay | hmm? | 14:00 |
| javispedro | np. gan asked me to do a web app where input=4 image files and output=src pkg | 14:00 |
| javispedro | s/gan/GAN | 14:00 |
| javispedro | and I might have a bit of time tonight. | 14:00 |
| cosmo | zerojay: are those for fremantle? | 14:00 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that would be awesome. I'll help test it out for you if you'd like. | 14:00 |
| zerojay | cosmo: Yes. | 14:00 |
| zerojay | cosmo: You can also get them from n900wallpapers.com... but the package allows you to apply all four as a set instead of one at a time. | 14:01 |
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| zerojay | Next up, finishing off DKC's Jungle Hijinx, finishing off Aladdin's Cave of Wonders, starting work on stage 1 of Streets of Rage, stage 4 of Final Fight... | 14:03 |
| javispedro | :) | 14:03 |
| rmt | Hmm.. anything like SideShow for Linux + Maemo? I'm actually thinking along the lines of easily accessible mini-VNC windows for remote controls etc. | 14:03 |
| javispedro | I'd said lircd. | 14:03 |
| javispedro | err... | 14:03 |
| javispedro | lcdd. | 14:03 |
| zerojay | And whatever else anyone would be interested in. | 14:03 |
| cosmo | hm, the app manager doesn't install the deb. i'm not sure it should | 14:03 |
| javispedro | lcdproc or whatever is called. | 14:03 |
| rmt | So I can have applications running on a remote system, but controllable on the device.. | 14:04 |
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| javispedro | rmt: LCDproc was designed for simpler devices though (Lcd screens with 4-8 buttons only) | 14:04 |
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| rmt | Hmm. | 14:05 |
| jospoortvliet | so who are in the westergasfabriek and who can tell me what my chances are to get in if I just show up ;-) | 14:06 |
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| jospoortvliet | (was too late to apply) | 14:06 |
| javispedro | ow, maesum started already? | 14:06 |
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| * javispedro checks clock. uff. | 14:06 | |
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| javispedro | ah well, "step 5" will have capacitive screen. unsurprising. | 14:07 |
| cosmo | zerojay: works, thanks! you could add some c64 games to the pack also :-) | 14:10 |
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| zerojay | cosmo: Find me maps and I'll gladly do so. | 14:16 |
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| * zerojay puts on his Zelda shirt and heads to work. | 14:19 | |
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| zerojay | jospoortvliet: zero, as far as I've heard. | 14:20 |
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| jospoortvliet | zerojay: that sucks... I'm gonna try anyway, I think :D | 14:21 |
| jospoortvliet | It's only a 45 min drive so... | 14:21 |
| zerojay | jospoortvliet: Needed to register to get the badge.. only badges get in. | 14:21 |
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| zerojay | But I'm not there, so... that's just what I was told. | 14:22 |
| jospoortvliet | zerojay: I heard from somebody the main area is open. I can do without the talks, besides, I can find somebody to get me a badge :D | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM3914.html | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 14:22 |
| jospoortvliet | zerojay: tnx anyway | 14:22 |
| zerojay | Heh.. ok. | 14:23 |
| wazd | I'm standing in a line again | 14:26 |
| wazd | WAAAAAAIIIII!! | 14:26 |
| Corsac | gnagnagna | 14:27 |
| rmt | Hmm.. so, Remote Buddy (for MacOS/X) is the closest I've found.. but this is basically what I'd like.. | 14:27 |
| rmt | Maybe mini-applications with basic scripting support (eg. lua) .. define individual GUIs, and use AJAX (or whatever) calls to communicate with the server(s).. | 14:30 |
| rmt | Throw in some zeroconf stuff to have local services automatically detected, and it could really be something. | 14:30 |
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| wazd | Damn, I'm sooo pissed off | 14:31 |
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| javispedro | I'm pissed too. what a day :P ;) | 14:33 |
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| wazd | And another line | 14:44 |
| kr1shnak | a line? | 14:45 |
| javispedro | waiting line. | 14:45 |
| javispedro | people queue. | 14:45 |
| javispedro | etc. | 14:45 |
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| * wazd cries | 14:45 | |
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| wazd | Any sensations at the summit?) | 14:47 |
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| kr1shnak | wish I could have gone to the summit | 14:48 |
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| kr1shnak | found out about it way too late though | 14:48 |
| rmt | I could've, if only I'd reserved a place. :-P | 14:48 |
| rmt | Would've even had free accommodation with my choice of friends and strangers. | 14:48 |
| kr1shnak | so is the N900 actually out yet? | 14:48 |
| kr1shnak | like anywhere | 14:49 |
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| kr1shnak | I'm tempted to get one, even though my N800 didnt get much use | 14:49 |
| wazd | No, it will be out on q3 2010 with Harmattan | 14:49 |
| kr1shnak | ah right | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | woo n900 | 14:50 |
| kr1shnak | q3 2010? Really? | 14:50 |
| kr1shnak | damn, thats ages | 14:50 |
| wazd | Kiddin ) | 14:50 |
| kr1shnak | heh | 14:50 |
| range | Yeah, didn't you see that the preorder status changed again? :) | 14:50 |
| kr1shnak | I havent been tracking it that closely. I had a bad experience with customer support with my N800 | 14:51 |
| kr1shnak | so it kind of soured me on Nokia | 14:51 |
| tru | do anyone know when the n900 is shipping yet? | 14:51 |
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| Corsac | tru: for the moment the only news I saw is “end of october” | 14:53 |
| tru | ok. | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | 2010 | 14:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (hopefully not) | 14:53 |
| kr1shnak | heh | 14:53 |
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| kr1shnak | oh check out mr N900 here | 14:53 |
| wazd | 2012 muhaha) | 14:53 |
| khertan_n900 | hi again :) | 14:53 |
| kr1shnak | hello | 14:53 |
| wazd | Ffffuuuuu) | 14:54 |
| kr1shnak | I take it you are at maesum khertan_n900? | 14:54 |
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| khertan_n900 | hum where is fremantle extras devel | 14:54 |
| khertan_n900 | can t reach it | 14:54 |
| khertan_n900 | is it the sme thimgs than extras testing ? | 14:55 |
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| wazd_n920_harm | Take that, loosers :D | 14:55 |
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| ccooke | and connected via the n900 | 15:05 |
| ccooke | and diablo's dropbear | 15:05 |
| kr1shnak | did anyone here go to the Nokia developer day in London, a few weeks ago? | 15:06 |
| crashanddie_n900 | hey | 15:06 |
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| crashanddie_n900 | anyone got the url of the fremantle extras devel repo? | 15:09 |
| hendry | after a fresh install of diablo, easier there an easier way of seeing the IP besides typing in `/sbin/ifconfig`? | 15:11 |
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| ototo1 | lunch and devices were in the same area - not really a hard decision to make ;) | 15:13 |
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| hendry | crashanddie_n900: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ | 15:14 |
| hendry | are n900 avail to buy in the UK now? | 15:14 |
| kr1shnak | nope | 15:15 |
| kr1shnak | listed as a preorder for £499.00 on the nokia site | 15:15 |
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| hendry | can i assume the maemo5 sdk has a better emulator than maemo4? i was to test webkit builds, though since i don't have the device ... | 15:16 |
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| javispedroiPhone | take that, losers. | 15:19 |
| javispedroiPhone | :P MUAHAHA. | 15:19 |
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| Ceron^ | ffs! | 15:24 |
| Ceron^ | damn you all | 15:24 |
| Ceron^ | who attended maemo summit | 15:24 |
| Ceron^ | you all got your own n900 there :( | 15:24 |
| Pavlov | shoulda come! | 15:24 |
| * range rings a bell | 15:25 | |
| Ceron^ | i was going to but did not get invite | 15:25 |
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| timeless | i didn't get one | 15:26 |
| timeless | and the people will have to return them | 15:26 |
| aSIMULAtor | i didn't get one either :( :( | 15:26 |
| Ceron^ | life is unfair! | 15:26 |
| ototo | why so? contracting issues? | 15:26 |
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| Corsac | timeless: I guess they'll be offered to buy it? | 15:28 |
| timeless | no | 15:28 |
| ccooke | this keyboard is much nicer than the n810 | 15:29 |
| timeless | the hardware afaik isn't final | 15:29 |
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| timeless | yeah, contractors/employees aren't elligible | 15:29 |
| timeless | they're supposed to get them from managers, not via a community portal | 15:29 |
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| crashanddie | timeless: hey man o/ | 15:30 |
| timeless | hi, where are yah? | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | timeless: you were sitting not far from me this morning... didn't know it was you | 15:31 |
| timeless | oops | 15:31 |
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| crashanddie | you're the one with the fancy sunglasses :D | 15:32 |
| timeless | yep | 15:32 |
| aSIMULAtor | fancy sunglasses oooo :P | 15:32 |
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| crashanddie | i'll catch up with you at the break... i'm the limping guy wearing a suit | 15:33 |
| StsN810 | dr house? | 15:33 |
| timeless | heh | 15:33 |
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| crashanddie | popping pills too, forgot the cane though | 15:33 |
| timeless | because we need a bad ui we control :) | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | what closed ui.. | 15:34 |
| aSIMULAtor | hey hey :P | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | i can't get the fremantle extras devel to work | 15:34 |
| timeless | notes is closed, right? | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | asim: where you at girl? | 15:35 |
| timeless | crashanddie: try red pill | 15:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | right next to timeless | 15:35 |
| StsN810 | who needs notes when you have conboy | 15:35 |
| timeless | ham was complaining about a signature or something | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | re | 15:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | look at everyone clutching their devices | 15:35 |
| timeless | she's at the far right edge | 15:35 |
| timeless | 4th row from the front | 15:35 |
| aSIMULAtor | next to that linux foundation dude | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | asim: on a room level? we didn't manage to activate the chip inside timeless' brain yet | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | hehe | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAtor: nr timeless? | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | next to the no smoking sign? | 15:36 |
| timeless | two seats right of me | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | aSIMULAtor: Were you at the bar with danielwilms last night? | 15:36 |
| * Jaffa seees. Big laptop. Twitter | 15:37 | |
| timeless | yes, a bit behind that | 15:37 |
| timeless | heh | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | no i didn't go to the bar...i was with mox do u know him? | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | he just went home cause he's feeling sick | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | we had a really posh dinner that made him and another friend sick :/ | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | i'm ok though | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | i have a steel gut | 15:37 |
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| timeless | are those mails NSFW ? :) | 15:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | hehehe IM NOT CHECKING WORK EMAIL HURRAH | 15:38 |
| ccooke | hmm. getting used to the new layout already. | 15:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | i got a lot to check though :/ | 15:38 |
| aSIMULAtor | ccooke: u like? | 15:38 |
| ccooke | very much | 15:38 |
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| Jaffa | aSIMULAtor: OK. /me waves at the back of you head (4 rows behind, next to jamiebennet) | 15:38 |
| * timeless syncs MfE | 15:38 | |
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| aSIMULAtor | i'm going to turn around | 15:39 |
| aSIMULAtor | hihi! :) | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: the devel problems are also affect HAM updates | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | 'lo :-) | 15:39 |
| ccooke | it's a hell of a lot faster tol type on than any system I've had skince the zaurus | 15:39 |
| aSIMULAtor | we all should definitely hang out before this weekend ends | 15:39 |
| Jaffa | definitely | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | an IRC get together with no verbal communication | 15:41 |
| ccooke | heh | 15:41 |
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| aSIMULAtor | :D | 15:43 |
| keesj | i really wonder about a gplv3 v.s. drm statement | 15:45 |
| StsN810 | no gplv3 in maemo | 15:45 |
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| StsN810 | and it is perfectly possible to make a open drm device imho | 15:46 |
| * Jaffa guesses DRM will just be a package which DRM-requiring sw will depend on | 15:46 | |
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| StsN810 | similar way you have locked down cell parts | 15:46 |
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| timeless | we need to ship an insecure browser | 15:48 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, qwerty12 hasn't promoted Droid Fonts to extras-testig | 15:48 |
| timeless | please keep that in mind now that you all have devices | 15:48 |
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| rikshot | whats with the corrupt packages coming from the final SDK installer? | 15:49 |
| timeless | those are trivially solvable | 15:50 |
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| timeless | he could ask me | 15:50 |
| * timsamoff is getting nervous. Ay ay ay. | 15:50 | |
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| ccooke | timeless: why? | 15:50 |
| jeremiah | timsamoff: Peter looks like he wants to ask you a question | 15:51 |
| jeremiah | heh | 15:51 |
| timsamoff | :p | 15:51 |
| jeremiah | He's got a mic in his hand | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | timsamoff: You two rows in front of aSIMULAtor? | 15:52 |
| timsamoff | He's going to break out in some freestyle rhymes in a minute. Yo. | 15:52 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Yes. | 15:52 |
| jeremiah | timsamoff: Yeah! You should start doing a beat box and he'll start throwin' down! | 15:53 |
| timsamoff | jeremiah: If he did, I would dance to it. | 15:53 |
| jeremiah | qole: Open schematics! | 15:53 |
| jeremiah | heh | 15:53 |
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| * timsamoff bids over and out for a while. | 15:53 | |
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| Jaffa | "Large outcry" about non-phone | 15:54 |
| Jaffa | Pfft. | 15:54 |
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| Jaffa | "Screw 'em," should be Ari's answer. And open source h/w wouldn't involve non-technical people from tmo. | 15:55 |
| jeremiah | true | 15:55 |
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| suihkulokki | apart from the fact that it is a yet-another-allways-running-daemon, pretty cools stuff | 15:57 |
| timeless | hardware in volume is how nokia has decent prices | 15:58 |
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| timeless | customizing hardware would mushroom costs | 15:58 |
| jeremiah | jaffa! | 15:58 |
| jeremiah | that's you! | 15:58 |
| Jaffa | That wasn't my point tho | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | I was"'t talking about UIs at all | 15:59 |
| aSIMULAtor | ok i believe you :) | 16:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | :D | 16:01 |
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| jeremiah | I'm going to the N800 :P | 16:02 |
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| tigert | this feels like a laptop :-o | 16:26 |
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| frals | god been stuck paper prototyping and doing user tests all day, completlty missed everything from the summit! | 16:31 |
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| javispedro | if you find a page with nice briefings, please tell :) | 16:33 |
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| frals | reading the liveblog at http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=b1272d4ae4&width=800&height=600 atm, bit messy but does the trick | 16:34 |
| javispedro | outdated. | 16:34 |
| javispedro | aws, wait. | 16:34 |
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| javispedro | nm. | 16:34 |
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| frals | had to allow a lot of hosts in my adblocker to load it properly thou :( | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | same. | 16:36 |
| Pavlov | X-Fade: hey, can you help me later push fennec b4 to maemo extras? | 16:38 |
| javispedro | *yawn* | 16:38 |
| javispedro | nothing serious so far... | 16:38 |
| Pavlov | (and extras-testing, maybe?) | 16:38 |
| tigert | Pavlov: you are the pavlov from gimp days? | 16:38 |
| Pavlov | yep | 16:38 |
| Pavlov | :) | 16:38 |
| tigert | :) | 16:38 |
| Pavlov | sup | 16:38 |
| tigert | small world | 16:38 |
| Pavlov | are you here in amsterdam? | 16:39 |
| tigert | unfortunately not this year:/ | 16:39 |
| * maswan waves from old #gimp days too :) | 16:39 | |
| Pavlov | alas :( | 16:39 |
| tigert | sitting at my work desk in helsinki | 16:39 |
| tigert | maswan: :) | 16:39 |
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| hendry | i don't understand the maemo5 SDK guide. there is no `af-sb-init.sh start` and after adding the Nokia apt line, what package do i need to install for the Nokia bins? | 16:40 |
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| javispedro | hendry: nokia-binaries and nokia-apps . | 16:40 |
| tigert | should do an free-software-class-from-1996 reunion :) | 16:40 |
| Pavlov | ha, yeah | 16:40 |
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| hendry | javispedro: i did that, but i get http://static.natalian.org/2009-10-09/nokia-depends.txt | 16:42 |
| javispedro | hendry: run apt-get update, apt-get install maemo-sdk-debug, and apt-get -f install | 16:42 |
| hendry | javispedro: Couldn't find package maemo-sdk-debug ? | 16:43 |
| javispedro | prefix everything with "fakeroot" | 16:43 |
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| hendry | javispedro: oh are the packages installed in scratchbox?? | 16:43 |
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| javispedro | yes... notice the prompts in the guide. | 16:44 |
| hendry | javispedro: the process is a bit horrid let's be honest. i can't see the prompts in the guide. | 16:46 |
| hendry | javispedro: though thanks for helping :) | 16:46 |
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| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 16:46 |
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| javispedro | hendry^^^: if you can find a single command without the prompt, tell me. | 16:47 |
| zgold | anybody else having a horrendous time actually using the email app without it crahing? | 16:47 |
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| frals | if you cant find af-sb-init make sure you installed nokia-binaries in the right target | 16:48 |
| frals | x86/arm | 16:49 |
| hendry | javispedro: couldn't the shell script alter sources.list and install the rest after prompting you for the API code? | 16:49 |
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| crashanddie | anyone fancy helping me install fremantle extras devel? I keep getting 404s | 16:49 |
| * hendry looks in horror as the 100s of deb packages are downloaded. bloooatt | 16:49 | |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras-devel-fremantle.install | 16:49 |
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| javispedro | hendry: but then who is going to tell you that sbox is like a chroot? ;) | 16:49 |
| javispedro | actually, like two chroots. | 16:50 |
| javispedro | (or more if you have older sdks) | 16:50 |
| hendry | javispedro: how does a chroot prevent you from scripting it up? | 16:50 |
| javispedro | hendry: what I mean is that now you know that sbox is a chroot | 16:50 |
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| hendry | javispedro: i know what scratchbox is... ? it's a chroot from cross compiling AFAIK | 16:51 |
| * mgedmin810 tired | 16:51 | |
| hendry | s/from/for | 16:51 |
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| mgedmin810 | howto make n900 crawl: install an app | 16:52 |
| mgedmin810 | during installation the ui is not smooth | 16:52 |
| javispedro | hendry: in which case, don't mind. | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | qwerty: doesn't work | 16:53 |
| ccooke | mgedmin810: just seen that myself | 16:53 |
| ccooke | still, it | 16:53 |
| qwerty12 | It's the opposite for me | 16:53 |
| mgedmin810 | apps: where's fbreader for fremantle? where's openssh? | 16:53 |
| ccooke | s smooth the rest of the time | 16:53 |
| mgedmin810 | xchat would be nice too | 16:53 |
| hendry | ok, now i need network | 16:53 |
| javispedro | mgedmin810: aw. they already renice the dpkg process, I guess they should've iorenice'd it too. | 16:53 |
| hendry | how do i get network running after `af-sb-init.sh start | 16:54 |
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| rikshot | hildon-desktop[7446]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: 600055, removing <- whats with this? | 16:54 |
| mgedmin810 | facebook applet: if network is flaky and it can't validate, forgets your password | 16:54 |
| ccooke | mgedmin810: I grabbed the dropbear client from diablo | 16:54 |
| rikshot | no images are showing in the window when I open up applications | 16:54 |
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| mgedmin810 | sync contacts/calendar via bt from nokia series 40 phone: utter and instant fail, no diagnostics | 16:55 |
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| crashanddie | qwerty12: that .install doesn't work. "No hash entry in release file" | 16:55 |
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| qwerty12 | crashanddie: extras-devel is fucked-up then. *shrug* | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | hmm damn | 16:56 |
| qwerty12 | Let me see if it updates here | 16:56 |
| qwerty12 | Nope | 16:57 |
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| crashanddie | ihmm, i'll have to slap dneary then | 16:57 |
| hendry | are there any webkit fremantle builds i can play with? | 16:57 |
| qwerty12 | hendry: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/w/webkit/ | 16:58 |
| qwerty12 | (Uploaded by Bundyo) | 16:58 |
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| timeless | ok, I'm gone, see people tomorrow afternoon | 16:58 |
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| qwerty12 | Oh, if any of you see Bundyo, please tell him that I expect money from him | 17:00 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: you need to promote Droid Fonts to extras-testing | 17:00 |
| * timsamoff phews. | 17:00 | |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: maemo-optify refuses to touch it and I've been busy with other stuff to optify it manually | 17:01 |
| qwerty12 | Blame Bundyo for the latest thing keeping me busy | 17:01 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12: Post to -devlopers/m-vo if maemo-oprify's being crap | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | There's a session this weekend about /opt so if you send me details, I'll raise it | 17:02 |
| mgedmin810 | email client kinda rules | 17:03 |
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| mgedmin810 | japanese spam looks very pretty | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | hehe | 17:03 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: Not sure if it's maemo-optify's fault. From what I can see from its README, at least, it appears to be working correctly (expects files beginning with package's name (ttf-droid) but finds other named files instead (DroidSomething.ttf)) | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12: Hmm | 17:05 |
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| qwerty12 | I'll bring myself to read the CDBS documentation sometime, or just replace the rules file | 17:06 |
| javispedro | cdbs! bring in the bibles! | 17:06 |
| hendry | so i can't emulate armel binaries? `[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start` does not work by X86 does | 17:06 |
| javispedro | hendry: known. according to nokia "armel is only for building". | 17:07 |
| qwerty12 | I'd rather have a multitude of VDs rather than use CDBS. | 17:07 |
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| qwerty12 | *instead of using | 17:07 |
| hendry | qwerty12: i want to try webkit builds http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/w/webkit/ ... but there are no X86 builds right? | 17:08 |
| qwerty12 | Nope | 17:08 |
| javispedro | qwerty12: to part packages I've found using cdbs, it was usually easier to repackage than to try to fix them... | 17:08 |
| javispedro | s/part/port | 17:08 |
| hendry | javispedro: that's awful :( | 17:08 |
| hendry | cdbs is god awful too | 17:08 |
| qwerty12 | hendry: Not for lack of trying; the X86 builder can't handle it... | 17:08 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: same | 17:08 |
| Mek | the problem with that mainly is that maemo uses horribly old versions of lots of debian package tools... | 17:08 |
| javispedro | yes. | 17:08 |
| hendry | qwerty12: so i need to buy a N900 :/ | 17:09 |
| * javispedro remembers he needs to file dh_gconf bug someday. | 17:09 | |
| tor2_ | cdbs works reasonably well for non-complex stuff. When I port stuff I can mostly get away with a rules file with 3 or 4 include lines, and some simple .install files. | 17:09 |
| javispedro | qwerty12: does webkit x86 buid with fremantle's gcc version? | 17:09 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: No idea, Bundyo does the building... But the WebKit ARMEL doesn't build with Fremantle's gcc | 17:10 |
| javispedro | how cool. | 17:10 |
| javispedro | and to think I once tried to build webkit with palm's arm compiler...... thank god I stopped trying and kept my sanity. | 17:10 |
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| qwerty12 | In retrospect, his hacking of the source to make it build for Diablo may have something to do with that... | 17:11 |
| mgedmin810 | no way to select multiple msgs? | 17:11 |
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| qwerty12 | hendry: It's worth it :p | 17:11 |
| qwerty12 | Need to finish off the packaging on Bundyo's Tear before I can try WebKit using it on an N900, myself... | 17:12 |
| javispedro | this sudden craze for n900 webkit is because you finally found microb is still slow? :) | 17:13 |
| * qwerty12 grins with a self-satisfaction knowing he has never pressed 'c' in dh_make | 17:13 | |
| mgedmin810 | bug with imap folders: I see a list of msgs, can't open them | 17:14 |
| javispedro | as in --copyright? :P | 17:14 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: Err, yeah, I mean 'b'... Shows how much I use that option :p | 17:15 |
| mgedmin810 | hm, works now | 17:15 |
| javispedro | qwerty12: hehe | 17:15 |
| mgedmin810 | nope, msg not available on server | 17:15 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: I like Tear, still use it on an N810, even. Curious to see how it works on an N900 :) | 17:15 |
| mgedmin810 | blaming packet loss | 17:16 |
| mgedmin810 | works now, really | 17:16 |
| javispedro | blame magic. | 17:17 |
| qwerty12 | javispedro: put your voodoo doll away | 17:18 |
| javispedro | you got me. | 17:18 |
| * javispedro hides n900 voodoo doll. | 17:18 | |
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| javispedro | ah, sts must have done first mer talk by now. | 17:20 |
| jeremiah | javispedro: Yeah, that one is over | 17:20 |
| javispedro | know if there's anything planned for on-demand video? | 17:21 |
| mgedmin810 | srsly, modest confuses tapping and panning | 17:21 |
| javispedro | i mean, was it recorded? | 17:21 |
| mgedmin810 | custom control? | 17:21 |
| tor2_ | Hmm, Maemo to be run on Zoom2, to be done by TI (quim gil twitter) | 17:21 |
| javispedro | tor2_, a TI employee was on this channel yesterday for that reason. | 17:21 |
| mgedmin810 | am I releasing too quickly? | 17:22 |
| tor2_ | Ah, I wasn't in yesterday. Maybe I'll check the archives. Interesting in any case. | 17:22 |
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| Jaffa | tor2_: Interesting | 17:22 |
| tor2_ | If Zoom2 can do it then possibly my poor Beagle can too | 17:23 |
| javispedro | tor2_, "maemo on beagle" project already exists. | 17:23 |
| javispedro | beagleboard, of course. | 17:23 |
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| tor2_ | javispedro: Is taht still alive? I thought it was superseded by Mer on beagle.. but then I could be wrong. | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | tor2_: Nokians still interested in it, dunno about anyone else | 17:24 |
| tor2_ | IC | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | RISC OS on beagle too | 17:24 |
| javispedro | i don't know the specifics, but that was a Nokia project. | 17:24 |
| qwerty12 | Jaffa: lol | 17:25 |
| mgedmin810 | ah, there is a way to delete multiple apps | 17:25 |
| mgedmin810 | awesome | 17:26 |
| * tor2_ only gets the timeout whale when refreshing twitter for #maesum | 17:26 | |
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| ccooke | interesting. the map has got me in the right building | 17:30 |
| jedlhl | This is gunna sound a littl n00b-ish & I am tired LOL | 17:32 |
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| jedlhl | But does anyone know of any work being done to port maemo to dell axim x50/1v or is maemo purely arm focused? | 17:32 |
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| t_s_o | i dont think there is much work to port maemo anywhere... | 17:32 |
| tor2_ | jedlhl: Axim is arm too, but I haven't heard about any maemo-on-axim project. | 17:33 |
| jedlhl | its intel xscale (which i guess ias arm) | 17:33 |
| tor2_ | xscale is arm. | 17:33 |
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| jedlhl | is there alit of devices maemo is centred around mostly? | 17:34 |
| jedlhl | 'list' | 17:35 |
| jeremiah | Maemo is centered on Nokia's N770, N800, N810 and N900 | 17:35 |
| jeremiah | Mer is 'Maemo REloaded' | 17:35 |
| tor2_ | jedlhl: Maemo5 needs some heavy-duty 3D support (opengl etc.) and, just possibly, also newer Arm versions (e.g. cortex A8). Which the x50 won't have. | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | GLES for omap2 will be in few weeks from TI | 17:35 |
| tor2_ | So, Mer on Axim is a better possibility, presumably. | 17:35 |
| jedlhl | oh i see never heard of MER, thanks | 17:36 |
| tor2_ | Stskeeps: That's good news for my N800 :-) | 17:36 |
| jedlhl | im hop gto use the axim but ive found nothing so far some im startging to resign myself to the n900, i really dont want to spend cash but i am in neend of a mobile anyway | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | i am just happy my roadmap holds up | 17:37 |
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| tor2_ | jedlhl: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer IIRC | 17:37 |
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| tor2_ | Stskeeps: You just did a talk at the summit, as I understand? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:38 |
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| tor2_ | Went well? Lots of folks interested in Mer, I presume? | 17:38 |
| mgedmin810 | shame about it taking forever | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | full room | 17:38 |
| tor2_ | :-) | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | not difficult | 17:39 |
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| jedlhl | @tor2: thanks i hang about MER to see if there's any interest brewing there, else i'll prolly be back here discussing my n800/900 | 17:40 |
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| t_s_o | Stskeeps: so your saying one could potentially get maemo5 eyecandy going on N8x0? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | not potentially, for sure | 17:50 |
| luke-jr_ | Stskeeps: is GLES really from TI? | 17:51 |
| luke-jr_ | I read something the other day suggesting the chipset was in fact from an outside company | 17:51 |
| luke-jr_ | just licensed by TI | 17:51 |
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| tor2_ | luke-jr_: It's the driver/software that's currently missing for omap2, which is what TI will make available (as I understand it) | 17:52 |
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| luke-jr_ | tor2_: I understand that | 17:53 |
| Ceron^ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muCPjK4nGY4 | 17:53 |
| tor2_ | luke-jr_: The PowerVR chipset is from imgtec. | 17:54 |
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| coldboot | Does anyone know how to get ncurses for python installed on the Nokia n810? | 17:58 |
| coldboot | This page says "curses is deprecated": http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html | 17:58 |
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| coldboot | Why does /proc/$PID/io not exist on the Nokia n810? | 18:01 |
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| lizardo | coldboot: why do you need ncurses in python, just in case? :) | 18:03 |
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| lizardo | coldboot: ncurses support was disabled on PyMaemo until Maemo 4.x , for size restrictions | 18:04 |
| lizardo | coldboot: on Fremantle it is enabled again | 18:04 |
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| ShadowJK | coldboot, io? never heard of it before, must be a very new feature :) | 18:13 |
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| Sargun_screen | What is this PyMaemo thing? | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | Sargun_screen: Python port & bindings for Maemo | 18:18 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: I've got a URL for you from timeless | 18:18 |
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| lizardo | Sargun_screen: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:19 |
| rob-bo | Anyone knows how to compile a Qt4 app for Maemo? | 18:19 |
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| rob-bo | i have it running under debian i386 | 18:19 |
| rob-bo | But now have to build it for arm | 18:19 |
| rob-bo | There's no qt4-make in scratchbox | 18:20 |
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| rob-bo | Hmm | 18:21 |
| rob-bo | qmake | 18:21 |
| Sargun_screen | Jaffa: so, that one could write a Python program wfor MAemo? | 18:21 |
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| tor2_ | Sargun_screen: Many popular Maemo graphical apps are written in Python. | 18:22 |
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| * Sargun_screen has abandoned his N810 since it was too slow, and the hardware was crappy. I'm going to upgrade to the new, stronger, manlier n900! | 18:24 | |
| Sargun_screen | So, I haven't ran Maemo in months. | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | PyMaemo has been around for years... | 18:24 |
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| Sargun_screen | I wish there was a CDMA/EV-DO/WiMAX Nokia device. | 18:24 |
| Sargun_screen | erm, nokia maemo. | 18:24 |
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| * luke-jr_ wonders if it's legal to run your own WiMAX AP | 18:27 | |
| Sargun_screen | luke-jr_: Why not? | 18:28 |
| luke-jr_ | Sargun_screen: FCC? | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr_, on the ISM band, sure | 18:28 |
| Sargun_screen | Just make sureyour powerr levels are reasonable, and on the right bands. | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | right. | 18:28 |
| Sargun_screen | You obviously can't run a 500 Watt AP on GSM bands. | 18:29 |
| Sargun_screen | They might nuke you from orbit. | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | Or even 1 Watt | 18:29 |
| Sargun_screen | Which would be bad. | 18:29 |
| Sargun_screen | ShadowJK: On GSM bands? or unlicensed? | 18:29 |
| ShadowJK | on gsm bands | 18:29 |
| Sargun_screen | You could probably get away with ~5 watts on 2.5 | 18:29 |
| Sargun_screen | erm, 2.4 | 18:29 |
| luke-jr_ | Sargun_screen: I think most people would disagree with my being nuked as bad | 18:29 |
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| ShadowJK | probably | 18:30 |
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| Sargun_screen | luke-jr_: Don't worry, you won't feel a thing. | 18:30 |
| * ShadowJK wonders how much power you can put out as CW in some of the lower HAM bands these days | 18:30 | |
| luke-jr_ | ShadowJK: as long as you don't melt the CHEESE | 18:30 |
| tor2_ | 5 watts is quite a lot. You may not get away with it. IIRC 20dBM or lower will leave you out of any problems (that's not very much) | 18:30 |
| Sargun_screen | Actually, considering how fast a nuclear asplosion is, depening on how close to it you are, it wont hurt. | 18:30 |
| coldboot | lizardo: I wrote a Perl script to filter the output from iotop, but iotop needs curses for Python. | 18:30 |
| Sargun_screen | tor2_: (I say this because I've gotten away with it) | 18:31 |
| coldboot | ShadowJK: It's at least as old as hard drives, in this context. ;) | 18:31 |
| luke-jr_ | Sargun_screen: you've gotten away with a nuclear explosion? | 18:31 |
| coldboot | But seriously, why is the /proc/$PID/io file missing? Anyone have any idea? | 18:31 |
| tor2_ | Heh, no inspector in your area :-) (you know, those guys in the vans full of antennas.. I had a visit once.) | 18:31 |
| Sargun_screen | luke-jr_: No, but that'd be damn cool. | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISM_band | 18:31 |
| luke-jr_ | coldboot: it's a relatively new feature, and Maemo uses a relatively old Linux | 18:32 |
| coldboot | luke-jr_: ah ok | 18:32 |
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| lizardo | coldboot: are you using Fremantle ? | 18:32 |
| lizardo | AKA Maemo 5 | 18:32 |
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| Guest36234 | hi all | 18:33 |
| Sargun_screen | No, Maemo 5 is actually using you. | 18:33 |
| Sargun_screen | Maemo 5 assimilates its users. | 18:33 |
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| ccooke | join us | 18:33 |
| luke-jr_ | so true | 18:33 |
| coldboot | lizardo: No, Diablo. | 18:33 |
| coldboot | lizardo: I'm on a n810. | 18:33 |
| mtc | is the summit being streamed (audio/video) ? | 18:34 |
| Sargun_screen | ccooke: I will, once my N900 ships. | 18:34 |
| lizardo | coldboot: well, I'm sorry to tell you that indeed Python on Diablo does not have ncurses support :( | 18:34 |
| * Sargun_screen wonders what Nokia is doing. | 18:34 | |
| Sargun_screen | IS it here yet? No. | 18:34 |
| coldboot | lizardo: It seems like Maemo really doesn't want me to measure IO... | 18:34 |
| lizardo | coldboot: doesn't iotop have a "non-interactive" mode that doesn't require ncurses | 18:34 |
| lizardo | coldboot: because ncurses is more a GUI thing AFAIK | 18:34 |
| coldboot | lizardo: It won't run, compile or install without it. | 18:35 |
| Guest36234 | i have openmoko freerunner neo. I want to install mer on it. I couldnt find image file at http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.15 and i downloaded somewhere else. but It doesnt work. Can anyone help me please? I really want to use mer... | 18:35 |
| coldboot | lizardo: It does, but I'd have to prune the code. | 18:35 |
| JosefAssad | erm. Fremantle does have ncurses, no? /me likes his temrinal apps | 18:35 |
| coldboot | lizardo: I'm guessing I can find some equivalent of /proc/$PID/io in the meantime. | 18:35 |
| lizardo | coldboot: isn't iotop in Python (I might be thinking on another tool) | 18:35 |
| lizardo | ? | 18:35 |
| coldboot | lizardo: I just need to find how much writing/reading is done to a volume for a certain program. | 18:35 |
| coldboot | lizardo: It is written in Python, but it needs curses to execute. | 18:35 |
| coldboot | lizardo: curses for Python, that is. | 18:36 |
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| Guest36234 | coldboot can you please help me also? | 18:36 |
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| Guest36234 | ? | 18:37 |
| Guest36234 | can anyone help me? | 18:38 |
| lizardo | coldboot: this page might help you: http://maemo.org/development/tools/diablo/ | 18:38 |
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| lizardo | coldboot: specially: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/sysstat/ | 18:39 |
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| Guest36234 | lizardo i dont have maemo(mer) installed on my freerunner... | 18:40 |
| qwerty12 | Guest36234: #mer . Knock yourself out. | 18:40 |
| Guest36234 | ok | 18:40 |
| Guest36234 | thanks | 18:40 |
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| mgedmin810 | 200 megs of swap used, slowdown barely noticeable | 18:41 |
| mgedmin810 | nokia guys did a great job with the n900 | 18:41 |
| coldboot | lizardo: Thanks | 18:41 |
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| user_ | was kate's presentation recorded? | 18:45 |
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| jeremiah | user_: Yeah. | 18:51 |
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| jeremiah | I'm not sure where it is, but I am certain it was recorded. | 18:52 |
| lopz | hi ;) | 18:52 |
| jeremiah | I think nearly everything here is being recorded. | 18:52 |
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| jeremiah | Cold here in the N800 rooms | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | or room rather | 18:54 |
| coldboot | lizardo: So I've got the amount of blocks written with iostat, do you know how to find out the size per block? | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | Going to work on my presentation in the hangout lounge. | 18:54 |
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| lizardo | coldboot: well, I never used this tool, I just remembered of the site :) | 18:55 |
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| mgedmin810 | coldboot: typically 1 block is 1 kb | 18:57 |
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| * mgedmin810 still kinda overwhelmed by the summit | 18:58 | |
| lizardo | coldboot: but, if the filesystem is ext2/3, you can get it using e.g. : sudo dumpe2fs /dev/sda1 | grep 'Block size:' | 18:58 |
| coldboot | lizardo: vfat | 18:58 |
| mgedmin810 | unrelated | 18:58 |
| mgedmin810 | iostat reports in 1kb units always | 18:58 |
| coldboot | ah ok | 18:58 |
| mgedmin810 | I think | 18:59 |
| coldboot | And iostat seems to accumulate these numbers. | 18:59 |
| mgedmin810 | ;) | 18:59 |
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| tor2_ | Damn, someone stole sjgadsby's N900 box from under his chair (twitter) | 19:01 |
| lizardo | coldboot: well, you could also try "stat -f /some/file" where some file is a file on that filesystem, and look at the "Block size:" (not tested with a vfat partition) | 19:02 |
| Shapeshifter | So, at this summit, is everyone walking around looking down on an N8x0 constantly walking into each other while talking on irc? | 19:02 |
| mgedmin810 | nope, some of us look down on an N900 | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | lucky | 19:03 |
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| mtc | no info on summit streaming? guess we'll have to wait for the recordings to be published | 19:05 |
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| mtc | hope the talks have the microphones set up near the speakers - not like last year | 19:05 |
| mtc | rather, earlier this year ;) | 19:06 |
| mtc | the maemo/mozilla recordings were rough | 19:06 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if assuming 512 byte block size would "just work" | 19:09 | |
| frals | i know what assumption is the mother to.. ;) | 19:09 |
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| frals | s/to/of maybe | 19:10 |
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| frals | cant wait to see some footage of q3 running on the n900 | 19:26 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 19:29 |
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| iDialekt | Sweet Jesus | 19:39 |
| iDialekt | Is this channel really that popular? | 19:39 |
| Shapeshifter | tis | 19:40 |
| iDialekt | Or are we all bots posing? | 19:40 |
| iDialekt | Guess so lol | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | I am. | 19:40 |
| iDialekt | So what's the latest? Are we still excited for the n900? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | most people lurk. | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | We're all waiting for the n920. | 19:40 |
| Shapeshifter | well yeah. but there aren't many people here now actually because they're all hanging out in amsterdam | 19:41 |
| iDialekt | Yeah with AT&T support right? | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It will be thinner, lighter, smaller, and have a 17" monitor. | 19:41 |
| iDialekt | It's so hard for me to ever switch devices anymore | 19:41 |
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| iDialekt | Used to be hardcore symbian fan | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You mean as you lose all your stuff? | 19:42 |
| iDialekt | But they lost me after the 5800 | 19:42 |
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| iDialekt | No as in im finally content | 19:42 |
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| iDialekt | With the iPhone 3gs. | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:42 |
| Shapeshifter | >.> | 19:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If you like it, stick with that. | 19:42 |
| iDialekt | Really takes a lot to want to ever switch | 19:42 |
| Guest58058 | clearly never tried the Pre | 19:43 |
| Guest58058 | ^_^ | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | We don't really care that other people use other things. | 19:43 |
| iDialekt | Because there will be devices with more features but less than what the entire package consists of | 19:43 |
| Guest58058 | lol ig'nant | 19:43 |
| iDialekt | Ease of use and app support.. And intuitiveness is big to me | 19:43 |
| iDialekt | I tried the pre but maybe too early | 19:44 |
| Guest58058 | maemo and webos have both of those things over iphone | 19:44 |
| Guest58058 | astroturfer/ | 19:44 |
| iDialekt | How so ? | 19:44 |
| Guest58058 | who comes pimpin' apple inna nokia channel? | 19:44 |
| iDialekt | Trust me I've owned more devices than one can imagine | 19:44 |
| iDialekt | Im not pimping anything | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | iDialekt: Well - go away and don't bother us, and when you get your hands on a n900 to try, report back and say if you like it. | 19:45 |
| Guest58058 | i can imagine an awful lot --Han Solo | 19:45 |
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| iDialekt | Oh come on. Please don't be zealots. | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Wandering into random channels saying you like your iphone isn't really productive for anyone, if you haven't experienced the alternative. | 19:45 |
| Guest58058 | ...said the iphone fanboi | 19:45 |
| Guest58058 | i'm not a zealot, i love maemo AND webos over iphone | 19:45 |
| iDialekt | Ok which is fine | 19:45 |
| iDialekt | But I come here to find out why | 19:46 |
| Guest58058 | and i tell them both that. you don't see me in #apple talking trash ;) | 19:46 |
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| Guest58058 | then hush, and lurk, no trolling | 19:46 |
| iDialekt | I come from a long list of symbian phones | 19:46 |
| iDialekt | Favorite was the e90 | 19:46 |
| mtc | everytime I see that word zealot used, my bloodpressure goes up... | 19:46 |
| Guest58058 | ew, symbian is bleh | 19:46 |
| Guest58058 | no wonder you're jaded | 19:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | symbian and maemo have relatively little. | 19:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | ^to to with each other | 19:47 |
| iDialekt | the little of maemo I experinced was an old n8"" | 19:47 |
| iDialekt | 800 | 19:47 |
| iDialekt | It was nothing close to a phone | 19:47 |
| Mousey | because it WASN'T a phone | 19:47 |
| Mousey | to begin with | 19:47 |
| iDialekt | But I don't think that was it's intention | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: you asked "why" (we/I like maemo): open, easy to port to, easy to code for, familiar, free, feature rich, flexible. And why I find the n900 appealing: brilliant resolution, keyboard, loads of tech gadgets, power. | 19:48 |
| iDialekt | But the user interface was a bit clunky but it was probably too early | 19:48 |
| Mousey | all the things the iphone ain't | 19:48 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: have you watched any n900 clips on youtube, or have you read any reviews? | 19:48 |
| iDialekt | Ah. What makes the iPhone hard to code for? | 19:48 |
| Mousey | nobody's gonna kick google voice apps off the nseries | 19:49 |
| iDialekt | Objective c? | 19:49 |
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| iDialekt | Mouse : true lol | 19:49 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: I didn't say it was hard to code for the iphone. | 19:49 |
| iDialekt | Shapeshifter: And yes I nearly wet my pants | 19:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: I said it was easy to code for maemo ;) | 19:49 |
| iDialekt | It's like everything I wanted in an e90 | 19:49 |
| jeremiah | And, don't forget what jzemlin said today: Apple takes 30% of your gross revenue! | 19:49 |
| jeremiah | FAIL | 19:49 |
| iDialekt | And 580" | 19:49 |
| iDialekt | 5800 | 19:50 |
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| Mousey | apple takes 30% of revenue for code they didn't even write? | 19:50 |
| Mousey | like it's some kinda PRIVILEDGE to write for iphone? | 19:50 |
| Mousey | lol | 19:50 |
| Shapeshifter | here's a reason http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/OpenOffice_Writer_in_Maemo_5.jpg (not because it's OO, but proof of conecpt, show-off of portability and flexibility) | 19:50 |
| luke-jr | Mousey: wow, fail | 19:50 |
| iDialekt | Nokia has been a favorite because they always have high quality hardware | 19:50 |
| luke-jr | iDialekt: they do? :p | 19:51 |
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| luke-jr | depends on what you compare with | 19:51 |
| iDialekt | Cameras were pretty much untouchable and unseen on any other crappy smartphone | 19:51 |
| iDialekt | Well yeah not compared to Sony or some lgs maybe | 19:51 |
| Mousey | except treo >700 | 19:51 |
| * luke-jr notes at least the N810's camera totally sucks | 19:51 | |
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| iDialekt | But generally there wasn't any popular PDAs with great cameras ever | 19:51 |
| Mousey | except the Zire | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | the n810 has a webcam not a camera :-) | 19:52 |
| Mousey | oh wait, no their cameras sucked too | 19:52 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: no difference in my mind | 19:52 |
| Mousey | ShadowJK: except that video had to be hacked in | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | N900 has both webcam and video | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | uh both webcam and camera | 19:52 |
| range | Ignore | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | the front camera on N900 is probably same quality as N810 ;-) | 19:53 |
| range | Well, that went well :) Sorry. | 19:53 |
| Mousey | lol | 19:53 |
| iDialekt | Wow. | 19:53 |
| iDialekt | I seriously didn't come here closed minded. Sheesh. Thanks for your responses shape an mousey | 19:54 |
| Mousey | yah that was fun.. now on to #webos-internals to figure out how to upgrade Preware, before i get my replacement n810.. oh, or n900.. maybe.. jury's still out | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: did I mention multitasking? X-D | 19:54 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: yes, in a massively multitasking way | 19:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, qwerty12, you're my hero. :P | 19:54 |
| iDialekt | Im concerned with something minor like portrait mode | 19:55 |
| iDialekt | On the n900 | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: hehe | 19:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: if you can bear using both hands most of the time, it shouldn't be an issue. and if you're lucky, your favorite app gets portrait support by community | 19:55 |
| Mousey | listen to pandora and use google maps and have 3 web pages open at the same time? NOT BLOODY LIKELY | 19:56 |
| Mousey | lol apple | 19:56 |
| iDialekt | Well that's good to know. | 19:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, how do I get a system beep over dbus? | 19:56 |
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| iDialekt | What is the pre based off of? | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I lost it for a little while last night and didn't have mplayer to start playing music. :D | 19:57 |
| Mousey | linux, just like maemo is | 19:57 |
| iDialekt | Like what Os? Is it unix? | 19:57 |
| iDialekt | Oh wow | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Sorry? | 19:57 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: to tell you what my biggest concerns are with the phone yet: 1. screen scratches easily 2. battery life 3. no compas (gadget, but would be nice) 4. keyboard to small / bad (I don't like the one on the n97) | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Linux kernel | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Palm proprietary userspace. | 19:57 |
| Mousey | no, only luna is proprietary | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, whereas Maemo is Linux kernel and mostly open userspace. | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but you can't access the regular userland, right? | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, X11/GTK/Qt | 19:57 |
| Mousey | yes you can | 19:57 |
| iDialekt | Shapeshifter: Probably the same things i was worried about | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | I thought it was closed | 19:57 |
| iDialekt | Especialy the screen scratching | 19:58 |
| Mousey | its not closed | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | but no X, right? | 19:58 |
| iDialekt | And reading about maemo 6 makes me angry lol | 19:58 |
| Mousey | ShadowJK: that's correct, luna | 19:58 |
| * ccooke wonders | 19:58 | |
| Mousey | but underneath you'll find all the same packages you'd find at the CLI on maemo | 19:58 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: I'll buy it anyway as I can't stand the iphone. Mainly because of iTunes and the fact that you can't share data between apps. it's soo stupid. Can't open an attachment from mail in an editor app or something | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | I guess there's nothing like an xterm there? | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | or similar | 19:58 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: imo the iphone OS is insanely stupid. | 19:58 |
| Mousey | bash, ssh, dropbear, binutils | 19:58 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: ditto | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | Mousey, I thought that stuff was locked out | 19:59 |
| qwerty12 | Shapeshifter: IMO? :) | 19:59 |
| iDialekt | Capacitive multitouch on maemo 6 | 19:59 |
| Mousey | ShadowJK: not even close | 19:59 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 19:59 |
| Mousey | i use my old nokia n810 microusb cable to charge my pre, and also to get a terminal window, | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | ah well, pre and n900 are same category right now: unavailable :) | 19:59 |
| Mousey | i'm telling you, between the pre and the n810, there's no better mobile solution combination | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | but n900 will hopefulyl be available in a few weeks :) | 20:00 |
| iDialekt | Hmm good point Shapeshifter but I've become blinded by all the workarounds and jailbreaking community | 20:00 |
| Mousey | ShadowJK: huh? pre's been out since august | 20:00 |
| iDialekt | Which make the device tolerable in my every day life | 20:00 |
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| ShadowJK | Mousey, in "select" markets like N900 | 20:00 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: ah. maybe jailbroken it is any good. | 20:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | no idea about that. | 20:00 |
| Mousey | no need to jailbreak the n8xx, n900, or pre.. the vendors WANT you to have full access | 20:00 |
| ccooke | nnevening, all | 20:01 |
| Mousey | ShadowJK: check this out: | 20:01 |
| iDialekt | I used to do the whole custom rom thing on android and windows mobile but it just got exhausting | 20:01 |
| Mousey | root@castle:/# uname -a | 20:01 |
| Mousey | Linux castle 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 175.1.23.1.1.1.1 armv7l unknown | 20:01 |
| Mousey | good thing that's not needed for nokia or palm | 20:01 |
| coldboot | Did you have to jailbreak the Apple Newton? | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: 2.6.28 on this N900 | 20:01 |
| iDialekt | Android still seems like it has potential given better hardware but it feels like a glorified blackberry | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: hardware? | 20:01 |
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| Mousey | qwerty12: yea, you're awesome, i don't have one yet, so i can't brag about THAT yet. =( | 20:02 |
| iDialekt | Yeah the g1 is trash | 20:02 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: anyway, imo android is too closed. It's too much of a bother. | 20:02 |
| iDialekt | And the hero ain't too shabby but week | 20:02 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: ah yes, of course. | 20:02 |
| iDialekt | Lol really too closed? | 20:02 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: I just wanted a version war :p | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, lol, jailbreak to get to what? ;) | 20:02 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: yah, webos is way more open than android | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, wasn't really a lot to the Newton. | 20:02 |
| Mousey | qwerty12: =P apples and oranges =) | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | wtf | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, but you could install any application you wanted. | 20:02 |
| ShadowJK | I can't even find pre on amazon | 20:02 |
| Mousey | hell, the pre even has pulseaudio | 20:03 |
| iDialekt | I understand being open and etc but for a phone OS im sure there has to be some kind of standards and etc | 20:03 |
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| Mousey | not that that's a bragging point, i hate pulseaudio | 20:03 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: you have to root it. that's too much already. and now custom roms can't be distributed anymore because of binary stuff and they aren't organized for cutomization. Unlike the maemo repo system which makes everything real easy, even with the proprietary stuff. | 20:03 |
| coldboot | I'm guessing someone in here must have had a Newton. | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | and there was a news article about europe availability, and that only mentione selling through operators... | 20:03 |
| Mousey | oh, i have a question | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | I guess general availability is a few months (or years) off then :/ | 20:03 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: Damn, I was gonna say that the N900 uses it too.. | 20:03 |
| iDialekt | Im sure none of you use a mac right? Id assume not from your responses so far lol | 20:03 |
| Mousey | will the n900, or rather Maemo finally have java? | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | It does not have java | 20:04 |
| iDialekt | Oh yeah that c guy just got hit with a terminate or fail notice I think | 20:04 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: By court ruling, I can get nearer then 20ft to a mac >.> | 20:04 |
| ccooke | Mousey: not by default, but sun has an arm build now | 20:04 |
| ShadowJK | as for "will", that depends whether someone will do it | 20:04 |
| iDialekt | Cynogen | 20:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, two. | 20:04 |
| Shapeshifter | *can't | 20:04 |
| iDialekt | Shapeshifter: What do you use? | 20:04 |
| coldboot | lizardo: Block sizes are 2052 per megabyte | 20:04 |
| coldboot | lizardo: Done experimentally. | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, lots of Mac users in here. | 20:04 |
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| Mousey | freetype, fuse, ext3, dosfsutils, curl, alsa, bzip, busybox, (bash too in my case), gnutls, sysvinit.. i'm tryna figure out how webos isn't just another linux distro | 20:05 |
| iDialekt | GeneralAntilles: Sorry was just curious | 20:05 |
| iDialekt | I feel like maybe some were anti apple | 20:05 |
| Mousey | i'm anti apple | 20:05 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: linux. on my laptop I have XP in virtualbox for emergencies and it runs very fast. | 20:05 |
| iDialekt | Maybe it's just anti JesusPhone lol | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some of the Mac users are, even. ;) | 20:05 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: Does its balls hang low? If not, then it isn't another Linux distro | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, I've become very dissatisfied with the moves they've been making in their mobile division. | 20:05 |
| Mousey | qwerty12: i think it's a girl | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | the lack of X makes it harder to bring new software to it | 20:06 |
| qwerty12 | Mousey: That's what they want you to think | 20:06 |
| iDialekt | It's weird because I may have different views on the apple iPhone | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | but since there's presumably framebuffer, getting mplayer to run on it should be easy :) | 20:06 |
| Mousey | personally, i think they create shiny polished garbage and sell it to unsuspecting untechnical consumers | 20:06 |
| Shapeshifter | the window manager of OS X is totally unusable. | 20:06 |
| iDialekt | Onlybecause im looking at it from a consumer perspective | 20:06 |
| Shapeshifter | main reason why I don't like macs. And there's no replacement WM | 20:06 |
| Mousey | qwerty12: its got nice boobs | 20:06 |
| iDialekt | WM? | 20:06 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: window manager | 20:06 |
| iDialekt | oh | 20:07 |
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| qwerty12 | Mousey: Sometimes, "nice" boobs are not just common to women... | 20:07 |
| iDialekt | I guess that's beyond me | 20:07 |
| Mousey | after using kde4+compiz, there's no way in hell apple or microsoft will beat the linux desktop user interface | 20:07 |
| Mousey | qwerty12: woah.. well i try not to frequent that part of town. ;) | 20:07 |
| Shapeshifter | Mousey: compiz standalone :) | 20:07 |
| iDialekt | My biggest gripe with Linux is popularity, compatibility | 20:07 |
| iDialekt | Im all about standards | 20:07 |
| qwerty12 | zerojay: <3 Streets of Rage | 20:07 |
| Mousey | if popularity is a gripe, i question your standards | 20:07 |
| iDialekt | Popularity = consumer support | 20:08 |
| Mousey | neither maemo or webos are all that popular, but they're head and shoulders above anything apple's ever made | 20:08 |
| iDialekt | Head and shoulders in terms of features etc | 20:08 |
| Mousey | and stability | 20:08 |
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| ShadowJK | my biggest gripe with Windows is compatibility and software availability. I end up installing Msys, Mingw, coreutils, an X server, and then I realize I've basically spent a week installing linux userland tools on windows before getting any work done, and might just as well go back to a linux distro ;p | 20:08 |
| Mousey | and not-fscking-you-in-the-ass-ity | 20:08 |
| Mousey | and not outrageously expensive | 20:08 |
| Mousey | well.. the n900 maybe | 20:08 |
| Mousey | ;) | 20:09 |
| iDialekt | Lol | 20:09 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: well, to break down what I find wrong with the OS X WM: can't resize windows from edges, have to aim for lower right corner. Shouldn't be neccessary anway as Alt-Middleclick should also resize but that is lacking as well. Maximumize button does random resizing. Alt-Tab doesn't switch between windows but tasks and every app uses a different hotkey for in-task window switching. Stupid dock wastes space on both sides. | 20:09 |
| ShadowJK | bah, N900 is cheap ;) | 20:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: oh, and for some insane reasoning, <ENTER> renames files | 20:09 |
| Shapeshifter | >.> !! wtf | 20:09 |
| Shapeshifter | enter?? why?? why not F2 as any other sane system | 20:09 |
| iDialekt | Shapeshifter: Fair enough | 20:09 |
| iDialekt | Lol | 20:09 |
| Shapeshifter | enter should open the dir/file, not rename it | 20:09 |
| Mousey | here's how you know apple's a sham. 2009? still one mouse button | 20:09 |
| iDialekt | I love my mac unfortunately | 20:10 |
| Mousey | you should cheat on your mac with ubuntu | 20:10 |
| iDialekt | I miss windows at times | 20:10 |
| Mousey | ubuntu runs faster on your mac than osx does | 20:10 |
| iDialekt | especially with windows 7 nearing | 20:10 |
| iDialekt | But steve balmer makes me angry | 20:10 |
| Shapeshifter | Mousey: though, ubuntu is about the slowest linux to install ;) | 20:10 |
| Mousey | heh, good thing you won't have to reinstall it every 6 months like with windows | 20:11 |
| iDialekt | Mousey watched my roomate Struggle with ubuntu | 20:11 |
| iDialekt | No way | 20:11 |
| Mousey | thats right, not popular enough for you.. | 20:11 |
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| Mousey | its all clearchannel stations for you, and network tv, too | 20:11 |
| iDialekt | Didn't mean it like that | 20:12 |
| Mousey | if it's not in the top 40 it must be crap | 20:12 |
| iDialekt | More about community support maybe | 20:12 |
| Mousey | lol | 20:12 |
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| Mousey | ubuntu not about community support? | 20:12 |
| Mousey | that's hilarity | 20:12 |
| iDialekt | Im sure it's huge | 20:12 |
| Mousey | that's ALL it is | 20:12 |
| iDialekt | If you know where to look | 20:12 |
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| Mousey | ok this was fun.. i'm out of troll food.. | 20:12 |
| iDialekt | What about hardware. | 20:12 |
| * Mousey goes off for coffee | 20:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I'm going to end up with a half-dozen of these things I have to return and no real ones. :P | 20:12 |
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| Mousey | what about hardware?? | 20:13 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: ubuntu is okay for a linux noob. does many things out of the box. any other linux would probably be even more worrying. | 20:13 |
| Mousey | everybody knows linux has better hardware support than windows | 20:13 |
| Mousey | sheesh | 20:13 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: hardware suuport ain't bad. | 20:13 |
| Shapeshifter | Mousey: "better"? | 20:13 |
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| iDialekt | Jesus why is every channel so different but all end up with the same quick to call troll comments | 20:14 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: no, officially better | 20:14 |
| iDialekt | People inquiring blindfolded doesn't mean trolling | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | xterm does not handle not having a tty well. | 20:14 |
| Mousey | its taken me half an hour to call you a troll | 20:14 |
| Mousey | that's hardly quick | 20:14 |
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| Mousey | but saying things like "quick to call troll" especially after half an hour | 20:14 |
| Mousey | that's trollin' | 20:14 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't really see iDialekt trolling >.> | 20:14 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: my standards are higher i guess | 20:14 |
| Mousey | which is funny, cuz i'm such a loudmouth myself | 20:15 |
| iDialekt | Im just trying to find out more information outside of a forum or etc | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, it's an easy out when somebody doesn't feel like discussing something anymore. :P | 20:15 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: touche' | 20:15 |
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| iDialekt | I like hearing it from an irc perspective, instant feedback etc | 20:15 |
| * Mousey still hasn't gotten coffee or updated preware | 20:15 | |
| iDialekt | Every channel is so different but similar in defending their OS lol | 20:16 |
| Mousey | i do like that Maemo uses X | 20:16 |
| mtc | some slides and comments from the summit : http://ur1.ca/d9hx (Maemo5 is "DRM-ready"!) | 20:16 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: well, the feedback being: n900 > pre > android > * > iphone | 20:16 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: i'm withya | 20:16 |
| iDialekt | That makes sense | 20:16 |
| Mousey | i think i'm mostly high on webos right now cuz i don't have my n810 anymore =( | 20:16 |
| Mousey | i'm not convinced i need two phones | 20:16 |
| solarion | I just wanna know why I'm getting a floating point exception when running my code. :( | 20:16 |
| iDialekt | That's a solid assessment | 20:16 |
| Mousey | but i'm gonna take GeneralAntilles's advice and wait for the n900 before i go bargin hunting | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, WTF did Nokia do to the layouts? | 20:17 |
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| Mousey | but not having my tablet is REALLY hampering my ability to sysadmin my home network =( | 20:17 |
| iDialekt | The pre screen is too small for my tastes | 20:17 |
| Mousey | iDialekt: then you'd hate the Pixi | 20:17 |
| iDialekt | And the pixi looks like | 20:17 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: What layouts? (Sorry, I'm really quite tired) | 20:17 |
| iDialekt | Yeah you beat me | 20:17 |
| iDialekt | Lol | 20:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, xmodmap seems to just be breaking keys. | 20:17 |
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| Mousey | still, you're missing a lot dissing it outright without even using it | 20:18 |
| iDialekt | No not dissing | 20:18 |
| Mousey | ESPECIALLY compared to the friggin' ipwn | 20:18 |
| iDialekt | Just saying I don't like the hardware currently | 20:18 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Ah. Dunno, I still haven't remapped my keys and in the rare times that I've done so (on an N810), I've resorted to modifying the layout file directly :) | 20:18 |
| iDialekt | I don't knownwhats in store | 20:18 |
| iDialekt | But android is spitting out phones but more useless hardware all using the dame CPU speeds | 20:19 |
| iDialekt | Yawn | 20:19 |
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| iDialekt | Same* | 20:19 |
| iDialekt | Snapdragon anyone? | 20:19 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't a Qualcomm fan. | 20:20 | |
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| iDialekt | I wish nokia had a wider American audience | 20:20 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles++. Fuck those CDMA wankers | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their lack of NAM sales is entirely deserved, iDialekt. | 20:20 |
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| Mousey | that's nonsense, CDMA's data network is so much more faster than GSM in america | 20:20 |
| Mousey | and no cdma means no asian markets like japan | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 5800 proved that point rather soundly. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, er, yeah. | 20:21 |
| iDialekt | Their marketing here blows donkey | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, no OTA updates for NAM units, flashed updates are WAY behind Europe. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Support is basically non-existent. | 20:21 |
| iDialekt | Yeah | 20:21 |
| iDialekt | I can 100 % agree | 20:22 |
| iDialekt | I had to always phoniex my crap | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, xmodmap totally doesn't work. | 20:22 |
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| * GeneralAntilles wants his pipe/escape/tab. | 20:22 | |
| iDialekt | So what's going to change with the n900. Does it have exchange support | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 20:22 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: "Behind Europe" - I wouldn't limit this to just phones ;P | 20:22 |
| iDialekt | Im holding off on paying for another year of mobile me lol | 20:23 |
| * qwerty12 cackles | 20:23 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, yes, we're behind you in our crushing march towards socialism. ;) | 20:23 |
| kr1shnak | towards socialism? | 20:23 |
| kr1shnak | I thought Europe was already there | 20:23 |
| iDialekt | I want some pop tarts | 20:23 |
| iDialekt | You know something silly? | 20:23 |
| iDialekt | I think it's weird that you have a tiny thumbnail pic for contacts on that huge maemo screen on the n900 | 20:24 |
| iDialekt | Why not full screen caller id out the box? | 20:24 |
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| ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, one thing that's awesome about maemo is that there's just one OS version for the entire world | 20:24 |
| iDialekt | And hopefully obnoxious video ringtones lol | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, yeah, that's helpful. | 20:25 |
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| ShadowJK | On the S60 side there were a gazillion hardware revisions with a gazillion localization versions, and by murphy's law you always get the firmware for YOUR particular setup LAST :-( | 20:25 |
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| iDialekt | I wonder if the screen scratching is gonna incite a recall. | 20:25 |
| * microlith watches video from the summit | 20:25 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | What screen scratching? | 20:26 |
| iDialekt | N900 | 20:26 |
| Shapeshifter | iDialekt: oh btw, to be fair, clear upside of os x is that it's a pretty rock solid unix-like system _and_ supports lots of proprietary production software (adobe, music stuff, CG....) | 20:26 |
| iDialekt | But the units they tried aren't final right? | 20:26 |
| microlith | all screens scratch if handled badly, why would the N900 be special? | 20:26 |
| iDialekt | microlith: but it's been said like way too easily | 20:26 |
| iDialekt | Could be wrong | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | Shapeshifter: I was starting to like you until you said that :( | 20:27 |
| jwatt | does anyone know how to force wireless connection to use pre-shared key rather than Wi-Fi Protected Setup? | 20:27 |
| range | Great. There is *ONE* review on preview hardware stating that it *might* scratch easily and now all screens scratch badly. | 20:27 |
| Mousey | qwerty12: lol | 20:27 |
| iDialekt | Oh geeze | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | qwerty12: it's true. Though even if I had to use such software I'd rather resort to virtualbox or even wine before having to use that awful WM | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | and they messed up some of the unix stuff pretty bad | 20:27 |
| iDialekt | Sorry I was misnformed | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, yeah, take that particular point with a grain of salt. ;) | 20:28 |
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| iDialekt | Someone in hear repeated the screen scratching thing so I assumed it might have been a well known problem | 20:28 |
| microlith | GeneralAntilles: preferrably with said grain not on the screen :) | 20:28 |
| Shapeshifter | range: I've read it repeatedly. | 20:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | but I'll treasure it anyway | 20:28 |
| Shapeshifter | it will be dressed in finer cloth then me | 20:29 |
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| iDialekt | I really don't want to jump carriers for a device | 20:29 |
| range | Shapeshifter: Everytime I read it, the my-symbian preview is cited. | 20:29 |
| iDialekt | I love my NAM AT&T 3g | 20:29 |
| Shapeshifter | range: eldar said the same thing | 20:29 |
| iDialekt | At least it's good to know I didn't make it to ignore with range lol | 20:29 |
| iDialekt | Got scared for a moment :) | 20:29 |
| * GeneralAntilles hasn't had a single scratch. | 20:30 | |
| range | Shapeshifter: Funny, he didn't in his first "review". | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless they're carrying them in their keys pocket. | 20:30 |
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| iDialekt | When is the n900 slated to arrive by the way? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: that's exactly the point | 20:31 |
| iDialekt | I wonder what's in store for other maemo devices. Please announce a nam unit at the summit please | 20:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, would anybody expect mobile devices not to be scratched in a keys pocket? ;) | 20:31 |
| iDialekt | With AT&T 3g | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, you have two pockets, fragile stuff goes in one, sharp stuff goes in the other. | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, not me | 20:31 |
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| Zlatan | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html | 20:31 |
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| glass | i don't give my 5800 any safeguarding treatment.. worked fine so far | 20:32 |
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| iDialekt | Glass!!!! | 20:32 |
| iDialekt | Hey buddy | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I didn't care too much when my OMNIA had first scratch after 1 week | 20:32 |
| Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: ah of course >.> Are there people who mix keys and phones?! | 20:32 |
| glass | ey | 20:32 |
| iDialekt | Someone familiar | 20:32 |
| iDialekt | Awesome possum | 20:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, apparently. <_< | 20:32 |
| Shapeshifter | blasphemers! | 20:32 |
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| iDialekt | Yeah my 5800 didn't need a screen protector ever | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a proper touchscreen. | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | I sometimes mix alot of stuff in pocket, but I always use the pouch for my phone and N810 then | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | They have diamond coated glass that's used for barcode scanner touchscreens. | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | My "soft" pocked is overfilled | 20:33 |
| iDialekt | The x6 looks weird like an abomination | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | over which you slide cans and stuff all day | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | that + SAW = FTW | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | why does barcode scanner have touchscreen... | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hope Boxwave releases a protector soon. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The anti-glare is really helpful in adverse lighting conditions. | 20:34 |
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| iDialekt | The good thing is I can sell my iPhone for s minimum of 650 and grab a n900 quick as hell | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: they don't | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: they have a diamond coated _really_ robust anti-scratch window | 20:34 |
| iDialekt | I wonder if I could pre order and have it before my birthday? | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | right | 20:34 |
| iDialekt | November 8tg | 20:34 |
| iDialekt | When is the n900 supposed to be here? | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: which if you put a surface accoustic wave detector on, and a screen behind would be a very, very abuse resistant display. | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, should ship this month, according to most sources. | 20:35 |
| Shapeshifter | I read that it will be delayd into november | 20:35 |
| cars | Sorry if I've missed it, but does the n900 have the anti-glare screen like the n810 does? | 20:35 |
| iDialekt | I think the smart thing would be to use it and wait to switch carriers | 20:35 |
| ccooke | there are abojut fifteen dates I've seen | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | shop says 10/30 | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | I read that small shipments will arrive w44, a slightly bigger one w45, and "normal" quantities w46 onward | 20:35 |
| iDialekt | My friend works for nokia and is getting his unit next week | 20:36 |
| ccooke | but the ones actually from the maemo team say "october" | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | (iirc that's what nokia's reps told one operator in .fi) | 20:37 |
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| ccooke | (I'mclassing the nokia store | 20:37 |
| ccooke | s as unlikely to know the real date in advance) | 20:37 |
| cars | I suppose I should ask that after it's actually been released.. | 20:38 |
| Mousey | the thing that pisses me off is if i get an n900 it won't be because i want a phone | 20:38 |
| Shapeshifter | I wonder if I should order now, or if the price will drop when its released. Any experiences how prices usually go with new devices. up or down? | 20:38 |
| Shapeshifter | I think up? >.> | 20:38 |
| Mousey | that was the genius of the n810, imho | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | I'm considering continuing to use my E75 as my phone | 20:38 |
| ccooke | hmm, still need to get better ith this keyboard | 20:38 |
| Mousey | i'm used to having multiple devices for multiple purposes | 20:38 |
| Mousey | but apparently i'm the freak | 20:38 |
| ccooke | Shapeshifter: where do you live? | 20:38 |
| ccooke | countrywise | 20:38 |
| Shapeshifter | ccooke: Switzerland | 20:39 |
| ccooke | wasn't there an operator doing a sbsidy there? | 20:39 |
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| ccooke | subsidy | 20:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | since the announcement, the price at the cheapest seller dropped twice, from 900 to 790 to 716 chf | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, it probably wont go down significantly until about 6 months down the road. | 20:39 |
| kr1shnak | you cant run the latest version of maemo on an N800 can you? | 20:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | cars, yes, it has a transflective screen, no, neither device has an anti-glare one. | 20:40 |
| Shapeshifter | 716chf being 470 euros | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | kr1shnak, you want Mer. | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 20:40 |
| infobot | methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | But the short answer is, no. | 20:40 |
| kr1shnak | so I couldnt use an N800 to develop apps to run on an N900? | 20:40 |
| kr1shnak | thats what I am really interested in | 20:40 |
| kr1shnak | and maybe checking out liqbase, which I think looks freaking awesome | 20:41 |
| Shapeshifter | ccooke: well, all 3 major operators do subsidy if you sign a contract | 20:41 |
| Mousey | ...so i'm EXTRA screwed if i don't want it for use as a phone? | 20:42 |
| ccooke | liqbase looks very like the wireframes they demo'd of harmattan | 20:42 |
| kr1shnak | yeah? | 20:42 |
| kr1shnak | cool | 20:42 |
| ccooke | Mousey: how do you make that out? | 20:42 |
| kr1shnak | what exactly is harmattan? Maemo 6? | 20:42 |
| iDialekt | The n810 commercials were so awesome lol | 20:42 |
| iDialekt | The marketing in Europe is stellar | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | kr1shnak, yes. | 20:43 |
| iDialekt | Looked so high budget lol | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | N810 marketing? | 20:43 |
| range | In Europe? | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, you've seen http://maemo.nokia.com right? | 20:43 |
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| Mousey | ccooke: where would i just by the standalone n900 in america a) without a contract, and b) while justifying the increased cost since i want it for a tablet and not a phone? | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, costs aren't entirely due to the radio. | 20:44 |
| kr1shnak | I'm so tempted to preorder an N900 | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Considering how much more hardware you're getting with the N900, it's pretty comparable to the N810 price-wise. | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also considering inflation. | 20:44 |
| ccooke | Mousey it's a €500 device. some operators offer a subsidy, but you will always pay about the same | 20:44 |
| Mousey | no, but they're subject to those costs in american markets BECAUSE of that radio, it'll never be sold as another type of device but a phone | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N810 went for about $479 new | 20:45 |
| Mousey | i could get the n810 at best buy once upon a time, because they're a generic electronics retailer | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | err 'in american markets' ? | 20:45 |
| ccooke | Mousey: buy it on contract. throw away the sim and say "I got it on credit" | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N900 is MSRP $650 and priced more around $580 retail. | 20:45 |
| Mousey | but there's no way the n900 will be found on shelves at stores, they'll be available from carriers | 20:45 |
| ccooke | or pay it all in advance and buy without a sim | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Mousey: I wouldn't bet on it soon | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | $100 or so isn't a big price to pay for a much nicer screen, accelerometers, a nicer keyboard, 32GB of internal storage, OMAP3, vibra, etc. | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Mousey: at least direclty through retailers | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | how are prices in your countries? With 1gb per month, 30mins free talk time to all networks + europe + US, and 3 numbers of this network or fixed lines always free, I'll pay roughly 660 euros after 12 months including the n900. | 20:46 |
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| Mousey | well this is my whole point. because of the gsm radio, it makes it harder and more expensive for me, regardless of how much better it might be.. i'm just kinda mad the n810 isn't available anymore because of this | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: It's of that order in the UK | 20:46 |
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| range | Shapeshifter: So how is Switzerland cheaper than Germany? :) | 20:46 |
| Mousey | i get unlimited data | 20:47 |
| Mousey | and more minutes than i'll ever use, for us$129 | 20:47 |
| ccooke | Mousey: yes, because nobody would ever sell a phone without a contract. it just doesn't happen, huh? | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Mousey: err - how does the radio make it more expensive for you? Other than it adding a little to the price | 20:47 |
| Mousey | ccooke: not in this country | 20:47 |
| Shapeshifter | range: it is? well often the devices themselves are cheaper because of lower sales tax | 20:47 |
| Shapeshifter | 8% isntead of 19% | 20:47 |
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| Mousey | SpeedEvil: because where can i buy a cellphone without a contract? | 20:47 |
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| range | Shapeshifter: Okay, that might be the reason | 20:47 |
| Shapeshifter | Mousey: per month? | 20:47 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: i want a tablet computer, not a phone | 20:48 |
| ccooke | Mousey: right, so the huge array of unlocked simfree phones on amazon.com was an illusion? | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, pretty much anywhere? | 20:48 |
| Mousey | the n810 was the perfect tablet computer | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Mousey: nokia.com | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, you don't even have to pay tax with Amazon. <_< | 20:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mousey: no i mean, 129 usd per month? | 20:48 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: well i hope it's available right away then | 20:48 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: for my phone, yah | 20:48 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: also at nokia stores | 20:48 |
| wazd | Any shocking details?) | 20:48 |
| range | Shapeshifter: Cheapest retailer I'd trust is at 519,- | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: that too | 20:48 |
| Mousey | no nokia stores in wa | 20:48 |
| Shapeshifter | Mousey: ah, including the contract | 20:48 |
| Mousey | Mousey: yah | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Mousey: so order it online | 20:49 |
| Mousey | s/Mousey/Shapeshifter/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | Mousey meant: Shapeshifter: yah | 20:49 |
| Mousey | i guess so | 20:49 |
| Shapeshifter | range: cheapest here is 471 euros | 20:49 |
| range | Well. | 20:49 |
| Mousey | and pay for shipping, and overpriced | 20:49 |
| Mousey | but yah | 20:49 |
| range | That is EUR 500 - something :) | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | seriously, what do people who like the N810 use it for? :/ | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Mousey: so wait until it's available through carriers in some months | 20:49 |
| ccooke | a littl while ago you could get it for £399 ish | 20:49 |
| Mousey | i use it for sshing into devices, and in datacenters to manage machines | 20:49 |
| Mousey | without having to bust out a whole laptop for it | 20:49 |
| ccooke | with a pay as you go sim, no less | 20:49 |
| luke-jr | Mousey: from where? | 20:50 |
| Mousey | luke-jr: sprint. fastest data network in th us | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | ah, tethering | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | but Sprint forbids it | 20:50 |
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| Mousey | nope | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | so N810 is useful if you violate ToS only | 20:50 |
| Mousey | they just forbid it on paper, i've tethered with sprint since the QualcommPDQ | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | "on paper" is still forbidden | 20:51 |
| Mousey | i don't know anybody who DOESN'T tether | 20:51 |
| range | I am so happy *not* to be in the american phone market ... | 20:51 |
| Mousey | nor who's ever gotten grief for it.. hell sprint store employees tether | 20:51 |
| luke-jr | Mousey: and go over 5 GB per month? | 20:51 |
| frals | range: same here lol | 20:52 |
| Shapeshifter | "tethering"? | 20:52 |
| range | Forbidden tethering. | 20:52 |
| Shapeshifter | what's that? | 20:52 |
| range | Although that happens right here right now with t-mobile and the iphone. | 20:52 |
| range | Shapeshifter: Using your phone as a modem. | 20:52 |
| Shapeshifter | and why is that forbidden? | 20:52 |
| Mousey | if i have to go over 5GB in a month, i'm not using a mobile network, no matter how fast | 20:52 |
| range | Shapeshifter: Ask Sprint/AT&T/whoever does that :) | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, Bluetooth DUN. | 20:53 |
| Shapeshifter | and how do they inforce this? | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | That's only 150M/day | 20:53 |
| Shapeshifter | *enforce | 20:53 |
| Mousey | Shapeshifter: it's not forbidden so much as discourgaed | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | Mousey: even 56K dialup goes over 5 GB per month | 20:53 |
| iDialekt | My nokia contact is getting his n900 today | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: greedy companies | 20:53 |
| Mousey | luke-jr: oh. well i never tallied it.. | 20:53 |
| iDialekt | At least that will be a world of a difference to try before buying | 20:53 |
| iDialekt | Lol | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, 3h of streaming radio will eat 150M/day | 20:54 |
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| luke-jr | I would want to do VoIP | 20:54 |
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| Mousey | well unlimited so far has been pretty unlimited, and i stream pandora every day all day mostly | 20:54 |
| Mousey | oh, yea, skype | 20:54 |
| Mousey | i've used it for that | 20:54 |
| Mousey | video too | 20:54 |
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| Mousey | mind you not from my n810 =( | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | And the contract saying you can't, and they can come and enforce that at any time at all, legally doesn't worry you? | 20:55 |
| Mousey | still tho, the n810 by far made me the most productive admin for linux boxes evar when i had it, i could connect to any machine i had access to, and do stuff i could only do from a laptop before.. | 20:55 |
| Mousey | my productivity is down 26% since it was losted. =( | 20:55 |
| iDialekt | I hope the battery life is as stellar as the 5800 on the n900.. What ae | 20:56 |
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| iDialekt | What are the chances? | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | Mousey: I want an upgraded SL-C3100 | 20:56 |
| range | Yeah, the n800 really was missing a keyboard. But as that was the only real change in the N810 I didn't buy one ... | 20:56 |
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| Mousey | yah, the n800 has those two SD slots tho.. n800 + n810 + USB/OTG = solid state win! | 20:56 |
| javispedro | 3D DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!! | 20:57 |
| javispedro | 3D DRIIIIIIIIIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS | 20:57 |
| Mousey | what? where?! | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: and DRM | 20:57 |
| javispedro | during my briefly skim trough the irc logs I could only notice the GLES keyword. | 20:57 |
| range | But now the display in the n800 goes kaputt and the battery isn't the best either anymore. So ship it already! Nokia! | 20:57 |
| javispedro | <Stskeeps>GLES for omap2 will be in few weeks from TI | 20:58 |
| * javispedro wants. | 20:58 | |
| wazd | Cool | 20:58 |
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| Mousey | mer suddenly got a lot more attractive | 21:00 |
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| javispedro | Mousey: if you say that because of the transitions, well, I'll doubt they'll work. But who knows. | 21:02 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 21:03 |
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| Mousey | well i just don't know about that right-handed-centric spacebar | 21:03 |
| ShadowJK | 3h and only 150M? what's that, 160x120? :) | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: mp3 | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | 128k | 21:04 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, audio | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | for some reason I read "video" | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect 3h-4h is about how long hte battery will last streaming audio | 21:05 |
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| ShadowJK | my E70 and E75 did about that | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | and N810 over wifi is similar | 21:05 |
| Mousey | oh, this is probably unlikely, but will the n900 be microusb charged? | 21:06 |
| javispedro | it's the only way to charge it, why you ask? | 21:06 |
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| range | I like the UI team videos. | 21:07 |
| Mousey | javispedro: cuz the n810 wasn't.. | 21:08 |
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| Mousey | i seem to remember the EU standardizing on uUSB for charging.. | 21:08 |
| Mousey | anyway, that's a point in the n900's favor | 21:09 |
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| range | Mousey: Well, the EU told the manufacturers to standardize on something. | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually, it was china | 21:13 |
| range | So they chose µ-USB | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | china mandated it first | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | and after that, it diddn't really make sense to go with anything else. | 21:13 |
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| johnsq | SpeedEvil: i hope m$ and apple heared you | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 21:14 |
| Mousey | i for one welcome our µUSB charging overlords | 21:14 |
| Mousey | especially the OTG types | 21:14 |
| johnsq | SpeedEvil: they don't like standards | 21:14 |
| javispedro | of which the N900 isn't. | 21:14 |
| Mousey | n900 isn't OTG? | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | N900 has that other µUSB port | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | no it isn't | 21:14 |
| Mousey | gah!! | 21:14 |
| Mousey | that's a point against! how am i supposed to plug in an n800 to an n900?? | 21:14 |
| Mousey | i used to plug my external drives into my n810! | 21:15 |
| Mousey | it was HANDY | 21:15 |
| * Mousey tilts back towards n810 | 21:15 | |
| ShadowJK | There were hardware bugs in omap3. It might've been possible to fix it in software in the future, but the USB Consortium doesn't allow you to ship OTG hardware without software support, so Nokia had to use the non-OTG port | 21:15 |
| javispedro | it has no mms, no universal portrait mode support, etc. etc. | 21:15 |
| javispedro | didn't you get the memo? | 21:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: How do you keep your sanity when using osso-games-startup? It's so heavily oriented against <insert INDT/shipped game here> with its hardcoding of values... | 21:16 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: you removed the last part of my sanity yesterday when telling me those horrible stories about your palm . | 21:16 |
| javispedro | anyway, just plain curiosity, what are you doing? :D | 21:17 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: also, at least they don't use a GtkFixed for the whole dialog anymore... :P | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I'm a stickler for being able to open files from the File manager, and seeing how osso-games-startup handles it... | 21:18 |
| javispedro | ah, good stuff. I'll need to read on that to handle opening of rom files. | 21:19 |
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| javispedro | I wonder if you can do a horrible hack and pop msgs from the dbus connection before osso-games-startup gets to it. | 21:20 |
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| javispedro | because I guess opening files in maemo is done through d-bus (never read about it) | 21:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Wanna hear the sad thing? Because the handler is in osso-games-startup with its hardcoded values, saves the filename to /apps/osso/chess/save_file... | 21:23 |
| javispedro | ah, it even has code already for that? even more fun. | 21:23 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: apart from the evident race conditions, any reason you can just read the filename from that key? | 21:25 |
| javispedro | s/can/cant | 21:25 |
| wazd | http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nokia_maemo_6_1-540x327.jpg <-- eeeeeh | 21:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets depressed watching the UMPC Portal unboxing. | 21:25 | |
| * javispedro notices "Zelda" icon. | 21:26 | |
| * solarion beats his head against a well | 21:26 | |
| solarion | wall, even | 21:26 |
| solarion | how is floating point handled on the n810? | 21:27 |
| javispedro | solarion: by default, softfp. | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Not sure how that key relates to Chess itself (can it be unset easily?) and you also need to be watching the key, too, for the times when DrNokSnes is open | 21:27 |
| Mousey | will the n900 have an accelerometer? | 21:27 |
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| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: you're doing that for DrNokSnes? heh :) | 21:28 |
| wazd | that's kinda lame concept imo :) | 21:28 |
| javispedro | Mousey: it has one. | 21:28 |
| javispedro | wazd: continue reading right until the part where it says it'll have a capacitive screen :) | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Oh, yeah, sorry, it's awesome and I lack the ability to do anything of my own :) | 21:28 |
| solarion | javispedro: but it should at least execute it? | 21:28 |
| * solarion 's app is crashing with floating point exception | 21:29 | |
| javispedro | solarion: execute what? gcc will emit softfp calls for floating point operations. | 21:29 |
| wazd | javispedro: no, seriously, desktop as one big mess of something is bad :) | 21:29 |
| javispedro | solarion: probably your fault unless you're doing something weird. | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Doing this for Transmission was somewhat easier when I could attach my own handler. It's the same thing with CDBS; I hate anything that takes away control from me :) | 21:29 |
| Mousey | ooo | 21:29 |
| solarion | javispedro: it works on the my laptop's metal | 21:30 |
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| javispedro | well, solarion, gdb it. | 21:30 |
| solarion | is what I'm working on | 21:31 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: i'd give it a try but I'm a bit busy this weekend. Well, kinda. I should be doing the backgrounds web app... | 21:31 |
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| solarion | as long as I know it's my problem, that simplifies things enormously. :) | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Yeah, I'll have a crack, submit my efforts to you and hope a future release has a sane way of doing it :) | 21:31 |
| javispedro | hehe. Thanks! | 21:32 |
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| solarion | javispedro: is the gdb tutorial at http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/sdk-plus-debugging-guide.html up to date? | 21:33 |
| * solarion isn't finding some of the commands listed | 21:33 | |
| javispedro | sorry, up so far I've only debugged in device. | 21:34 |
| solarion | ah | 21:34 |
| solarion | is on-device easier? | 21:34 |
| javispedro | at least for me. But I mount the src code folder using NFS. | 21:35 |
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| javispedro | btw solarion, if you're doing a lot of FP in n8x0, pass -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp to gcc call. | 21:35 |
| javispedro | that will use the VFP coprocessor, and it's faster for most operations in n8x0. | 21:35 |
| solarion | that's a good idea for home (I'm on a busy wifi network on campus) | 21:35 |
| solarion | what is VFP? | 21:35 |
| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#VFP | 21:36 |
| javispedro | ~VFP | 21:36 |
| * solarion has thought about using the DSP, but that's yet another thing to learn | 21:36 | |
| javispedro | VFP is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#VFP | 21:36 |
| javispedro | infobot: VFP is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#VFP | 21:36 |
| infobot | okay, javispedro | 21:36 |
| solarion | javispedro: do you work for nokia? | 21:37 |
| javispedro | nope. | 21:37 |
| solarion | just know a ton, eh? :) | 21:37 |
| javispedro | know my things, not a ton :) | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot of the people here know more than most Nokians. :P | 21:37 |
| solarion | heh | 21:38 |
| solarion | so the n810 has a VFP? | 21:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: If you wanna test the mime_open behaviour of o-g-s: http://qwerty12.qole.org/mimeopentestdnk (Built under Fremantle ARMEL, works on Diablo) | 21:38 |
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| javispedro | solarion: yes. and don't ask me why only few components in the device base image use it. | 21:38 |
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| solarion | I could fix that problem. :) | 21:38 |
| solarion | much eaiser to tell gcc to use it than try to figure out the dsp gateway | 21:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: argv[1] is a path to a file. Notice how it gets set in GConf :) | 21:39 |
| solarion | cell is enough fun for now. :) | 21:39 |
| wazd | no skype video?! Are they idiots? :) | 21:39 |
| solarion | GeneralAntilles: are you familiar with ARMEL target qemu debugging? | 21:39 |
| * GeneralAntilles points anywhere but here. | 21:39 | |
| javispedro | aw, tablet out of battery :( | 21:39 |
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| solarion | heh, k | 21:40 |
| solarion | the n810 doesn't charge over usb, does it? | 21:41 |
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| wjs_ltop | no | 21:41 |
| solarion | is too bad | 21:41 |
| solarion | maybe I should file a bug on it. :) | 21:41 |
| solarion | charger at home, usb at work, would be nice | 21:41 |
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| wjs_ltop | are the MMX instructions supported too? | 21:41 |
| javispedro | MMX instructions? this is an ARM. | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | solarion, N900 charges over USB. | 21:41 |
| solarion | wjs_ltop: ARM has MMX? | 21:41 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:42 |
| wjs_ltop | Look at the page javispedro referenced.. | 21:42 |
| wjs_ltop | iwMMXt | 21:42 |
| javispedro | wjs_ltop: my old Palm supported that. | 21:42 |
| javispedro | it's Intel/Marvell XScale only. | 21:42 |
| javispedro | and it only does integer ops. | 21:42 |
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| solarion | GeneralAntilles: dangit | 21:42 |
| wjs_ltop | ah, so not the AMD enhancements | 21:42 |
| * solarion has little hope to get one | 21:43 | |
| luke-jr | javispedro: I wonder if the Sheeva supports it? | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | solarion, Nokia sells a USB adaptor, anyway. | 21:43 |
| wjs_ltop | original MMX | 21:43 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: dunno, sorry. | 21:43 |
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| solarion | I suspect for hardcore fp, the dsp would be the way to go | 21:43 |
| suihkulokki | wjs_ltop: there are NEON extensions for ARM that N900 support | 21:43 |
| solarion | or offload it to another box | 21:43 |
| wjs_ltop | I've seen cables that will split a power connector off a usb cable. | 21:43 |
| wjs_ltop | NEON was added in the Cortex A8, right? | 21:44 |
| javispedro | yes, N900. | 21:45 |
| wjs_ltop | yes, just double checked.. NEON and ThumbEE is not on the ARM11 in the N810 | 21:45 |
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| javispedro | on the other side, VFP and Jazelle were dumbed down. | 21:45 |
| wjs_ltop | Stuck with the never documented Jazelle | 21:45 |
| solarion | aww | 21:45 |
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| iDialekt | MAaaaaaaaaeeeemmmmo | 21:46 |
| wjs_ltop | That's because the ThumbEE takes over most of the Jazelle functions from what I've read. | 21:46 |
| iDialekt | It makes me feel like dancin | 21:46 |
| javispedro | actually, not necessarily. | 21:46 |
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| javispedro | Jazelle is suited for interpreters, ThumbEE for JIT compilers. | 21:47 |
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| wjs_ltop | Anybody here know if the stuff that QGil is working on with TI will include IVA access, Jazelle, as well as the MBX? | 21:47 |
| javispedro | wjs_ltop: I'd wish. | 21:48 |
| wjs_ltop | I think it was QGil and not Qole | 21:48 |
| javispedro | As for Jazelle, I have it somewhat working. | 21:48 |
| wjs_ltop | hmm?? | 21:48 |
| javispedro | got it to run most of the simple java opcodes. | 21:48 |
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| slonopotamus | javispedro, how? | 21:48 |
| solarion | hmm. the debugging evironment seems to not have access to the network. :( | 21:49 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus: I even published some source code. | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | He's got a couple of TI engineers chained up in his basement. | 21:49 |
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| javispedro | I just continued on lardman's work. | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | GeneralAntilles, ah, that's what i thought | 21:49 |
| javispedro | http://svn.javispedro.com/view/jaz/trunk/jaz.s | 21:50 |
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| slonopotamus | actually that doesn't matter | 21:50 |
| javispedro | agreed. | 21:50 |
| slonopotamus | java is too memory-hungry | 21:50 |
| slonopotamus | believe me, i'm java developer | 21:50 |
| javispedro | I do. | 21:50 |
| javispedro | however, that's why I liked jazelle. | 21:51 |
| javispedro | an interpreter should use a bit less memory, | 21:51 |
| javispedro | while jazelle "promised" fast interpreters. | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: Some, but not me, would call you a traitor ;P | 21:51 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: icu 4.0.1 compiled,l webkit compile run out of space | 21:51 |
| javispedro | but not worth the effort, at least with the jamvm I tried. | 21:51 |
| wjs_ltop | Any chance of integrating into the Redhat OpenJDK? | 21:51 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, qt-webkit on device? | 21:51 |
| javispedro | wjs_ltop: not by me. | 21:51 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: normal webkit, for midori | 21:52 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, build in qemu. 128mb isn't good for gcc + c++ | 21:52 |
| Mousey | is the n900 ipv6 compliant? | 21:52 |
| luke-jr | ... | 21:53 |
| Mousey | s/n900/maemo/ | 21:53 |
| infobot | Mousey meant: is the maemo ipv6 compliant? | 21:53 |
| qole | at the amsterdam maemo party! | 21:53 |
| slonopotamus | Mousey, if you build ipv6 support in kernel, yes | 21:53 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: i will see added more swap | 21:53 |
| Mousey | k | 21:53 |
| luke-jr | my N810 has IPv6 | 21:53 |
| javispedro | qole heh, enjoy :) | 21:53 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, no. luke tried | 21:53 |
| luke-jr | 64 bytes from 2002:62b3:1d4c:0:21d:6eff:fed5:9425: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=2.41 ms | 21:53 |
| Mousey | ty | 21:53 |
| wnd | diablo has ipv6 out of the box, you just need to enable it | 21:54 |
| frals | qole: go around whisper "mms..." to everyone, ok? ;) | 21:54 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: sorry, how I'm supposed to use mimeopentestdnk? | 21:54 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, it gets rebooted under high swap usage 'cause wd doesn't get kicked fast enough | 21:54 |
| javispedro | I've run it and it does not seem to spawn/activate osso-games-startup | 21:54 |
| qole | heheheh | 21:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Hmm, odd, you do have DrNokSnes installed? :p | 21:55 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: midori/gtk ftl | 21:55 |
| qole | i am the dealbreaker! | 21:55 |
| frals | :D | 21:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: It brings up DrNokSnes on both the N810 and N900 here | 21:55 |
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| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, traitor? why? | 21:56 |
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| javispedro | anyone remember the syntax for dbus-monitor everything out of head? | 21:56 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Oh, and argv[1] should be a path to a file :) | 21:56 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: ftl? | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: FOR THE LOSE | 21:56 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: ah, that may explain it lol. | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: you can use my webkit binpkg, but it requires KDE :p | 21:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: You calling Java slow and saying to trust you because you're a Java dev :D | 21:57 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: ok. no thanks | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: if you want, I can try to build you one in my chroot if it doesn't have too many deps | 21:57 |
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| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, i didn't say it's slow | 21:58 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: i need only remove the sd card and put it in the laptop. | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: lol | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | johnsq: I don't like to shutdown ;) | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: Erm, yeah, you didn't. Sorry, that's my thinking... | 21:58 |
| solarion | man, I just need gdb working, but it's not. :( | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | and my N810 is pretty much my only SD reader | 21:59 |
| luke-jr | well, N810, C760, and A630 | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, it's just ~3-4 times slower than C if coded properly. but memory usage... | 21:59 |
| javispedro | solarion: enable sdk repo on device, pull gdb (NOTHING MORE), disable sdk repo. | 21:59 |
| johnsq | luke-jr: i have got the hame micro sdhc card reader and use it as micro usb stick. | 21:59 |
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| ShadowJK | hm | 22:00 |
| solarion | javispedro: yeah; I'm gonna have ot use the device, I guess | 22:00 |
| solarion | will suck for n900 dev, tho | 22:00 |
| Firebird | http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3876/wthf.png , any ideas [on the unthemedness]? | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | I have this in my startup scripts: | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, setup separate qemu chroot and build binpkgs there | 22:00 |
| javispedro | Firebird: missing run-standalone.sh? | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | echo 8 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | (and for mmcblk1) | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | When I made it, it was on the theory that reducing queue size should make it more interactive so that the watchdog gets kicked often enough | 22:01 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, ah, I thought I had that >_>, thanks | 22:01 |
| johnsq | slonopotamus: why, i just mount the sdhc card per nfs and compile on the pc | 22:01 |
| Firebird | hildon 2.0 isn't gtk 2.16? | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | Firebird, maemo gtk != gtk | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | != kde 4 :D | 22:02 |
| Firebird | != windows, != a cow | 22:02 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, emerge moo | 22:02 |
| Firebird | gtk libraries should still run, just inquiring what version it is | 22:02 |
| solarion | what if we approximated the cow with a sphere? | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | solarion, in vacuum? | 22:03 |
| solarion | slonopotamus: I dunno; what's the cow in? | 22:03 |
| solarion | a cow in vacuum has a tendency to rapidly become mere meat | 22:03 |
| slonopotamus | that's common joke here, spheric horse in vacuum | 22:04 |
| johnsq | ShadowJK: I will try it, tnx | 22:04 |
| solarion | slonopotamus: where is here? | 22:04 |
| Firebird | hm, seems it is 2.14, (judging from the glade-3 version 2.16 files not displaying) | 22:04 |
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| slonopotamus | solarion, russia. it means smth totally unrelated to reality | 22:04 |
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| solarion | aaah | 22:05 |
| solarion | slonopotamus: physics? | 22:05 |
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| javispedro | ".game" extension for chess games.... | 22:06 |
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| Firebird | woa, a double split | 22:12 |
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| javispedro | heh. we start seeing weird GlibQt things. | 22:12 |
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| javispedro | the "DirectUI" library (aka maemo6) requiring both Qt 4.6, Gconf, and Gstreamer. | 22:13 |
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| Firebird | hm, is the maemo5 SDK supposed to be laggy and look like it lacks hardware acceleration in any sense? | 22:14 |
| johnsq | javispedro: and this all for unneeded gimmicks | 22:14 |
| Firebird | ...or is that a consequence of running it on 64bit directly | 22:14 |
| javispedro | Firebird: interesting. why you say that (64bit)? | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Firebird: They added that feature for you | 22:15 |
| javispedro | cause I experience some slowness too and I'm running it on 64bit. | 22:15 |
| javispedro | Firebird: also, do you experience the wrong colors bug? | 22:15 |
| Firebird | well, just apparently does not have hardware 3d accel | 22:15 |
| Firebird | on mine at least | 22:15 |
| Firebird | yea, the wrong colors bug is still there | 22:15 |
| javispedro | is there someone who has 100% good colors on fremantle sdk? | 22:16 |
| wazd | javispedro: nope) | 22:16 |
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| wazd | javispedro: I have rave party sometimes | 22:16 |
| Firebird | eh, maybe scratchbox just doesn't want to use my nvidia drivers :/ | 22:17 |
| javispedro | lol | 22:17 |
| javispedro | Firebird: 64bit, nvidia. | 22:17 |
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| javispedro | well, for this "codebugging" season we need at least someone who has working colors... | 22:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | goodluckfindingthat :) | 22:17 |
| javispedro | btw, first maemo 6 app: http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework/framework-technical-preview/blobs/master/examples/calculator/calculator.cpp | 22:17 |
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| Firebird | aww, no mesa-utils in the SDK | 22:18 |
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| * javispedro worries. | 22:20 | |
| javispedro | how can someone said "step 5" of a 5 step process is "throw everything we haved coded until today and start again" | 22:21 |
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| Firebird | javispedro, learn from your mistakes? | 22:22 |
| javispedro | I smell second-system effect instead. | 22:22 |
| Firebird | plenty of programs have been re-written from scratch at high version numbers | 22:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | javisask OpenMoko | 22:24 |
| solarion | I've rewritten scdataviz entirely too much | 22:25 |
| solarion | that, with lack of time, is why it's currently useless to everyone | 22:25 |
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| solarion | so let that be a lesson to you: perfection is much, much less improtant than JFDI | 22:26 |
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| jeez_ | does anyone know how to disable composite from hildon, on maemo 5 ? | 22:26 |
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| * Firebird would also like to know | 22:26 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | jeez_: In one application or system-wide? | 22:27 |
| jeez_ | both ?! | 22:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Dunno how it's done system-wide | 22:27 |
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| jeez_ | qwerty12_N810: and in one application ? | 22:29 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | To get it disabled while a certain application is running, set the _HILDON_NON_COMPOSITED_WINDOW Atom which requests compositing to be turned off | 22:29 |
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| solarion | frickin' A | 22:32 |
| solarion | my app works beautifully on the tablet | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:32 |
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| solarion | much work to do, but it doens't crash like it does on qemu | 22:33 |
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| kirma | good God! who selected red text for this? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the problem? | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK_ | seems hard to read on my monitor too | 22:52 |
| javispedro | that it does not seem 80% open that way. must use a lighter font, much harder for the human eye to distinguish the closed components then ;) | 22:52 |
| kirma | at least on my eyes, that red text is very hard to read on it. | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bigger: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/9/94/Top_level_architecture.png | 22:52 |
| javispedro | s/lighter/darker | 22:52 |
| kirma | might be better on some monitor with less intense red or something | 22:52 |
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| kirma | generalantilles: better, but still, red is the color of text in that thing that requires continuous attention to comprehend | 22:54 |
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| frals | anyone got any idea how to simulate an incoming sms on the sdk? :) | 22:58 |
| Firebird | does the SDK even have phone facilities? | 22:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, Nokia can't win. | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=342869&postcount=10 | 23:00 |
| frals | yeah gotta hate companies who are developing new stuff | 23:01 |
| javispedro | TMO is starting to burn me off lately too. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the big advantage to Apple's method. | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't talk about stuff that people can't buy. | 23:01 |
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| till- | will maemo 6 not run on the n900? | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Focus is never taken off what you're currently selling. | 23:02 |
| frals | the the signal:noise ratio has gone wild since i started lurking tmo :( | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | till-, nobody really knows at this point. | 23:02 |
| till- | hope it will be like the n800 | 23:02 |
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| * Firebird wonders why SDL is under toolkit | 23:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, worse this weekend since all of the useful people are huddled together in Amsterdam laughing at us sad sacks. :( | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Idoicy is, sadly, increases logarithmically. | 23:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Idiocy drives useful people out, so there's more idiocy so more useful people are driven out and so on. | 23:03 |
| javispedro | Firebird: used by blocks game. thus part of platform... | 23:03 |
| Firebird | ah | 23:04 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: :( | 23:04 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: "useful <-> politically correct" slider again :( | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been through a lot of churn periods in itT. | 23:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully we'll come out of the other side OK. | 23:04 |
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| kirma | till-: I think what they talked of multi-touch as only major hardware feature change on direction of maemo 6 (most importantly, omap3 was being talked about even with it), so it'd seem relatively reasonable to expect maemo 6 to work on n900... | 23:05 |
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| kirma | unless they start to use multitouch gestures for everything or are plain lazy. ;) | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive will suck at WVGA and 3.5" | 23:05 |
| javispedro | that remembers me, GeneralAntilles, did you saw the capacitive screen | 23:05 |
| javispedro | scrap that, I see you did :) | 23:05 |
| till- | can't the screen be replaced? :) | 23:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad they aren't using the Stantum resistive multitouch. | 23:06 |
| till- | what about an hw-upgrade-kit :) | 23:06 |
| Firebird | Stantum multitouch would be nice | 23:06 |
| javispedro | time to switch to another hw manufacturer when that happens....... oh, there won't be any :( | 23:07 |
| kirma | I think multitouch technologies aren't trivially switchable ;) | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive seems like a marketdroid move. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, we'll see if they don't ship devices with both. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I hate trying to read between the lines with Nokia stuff. | 23:07 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: they have sponsored Engadget show and caught that fever :) | 23:07 |
| Firebird | in fact stantum multitouch could be a PUSH project... especially with their ready made 3.5" panel - too bad there's no USB host | 23:07 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I doubt that, because, as you said, it seems like a marketdroid move | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'cause half of the conclusions you might be able to draw are just because the Nokia execs can't speak English. <_< | 23:07 |
| javispedro | and marketdroids dislike multiple models. | 23:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, we'll see. | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Multiple models is always something that Nokia people have talked about. | 23:08 |
| javispedro | I imagined today another model would be announced. | 23:08 |
| javispedro | Guess I was wrong with that prediction. | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It was only announced to the cabal. | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like I said, laughing at us sad sacks. | 23:09 |
| frals | hmm, is it just me, or is this link broken? https://oucmswww.nmp.nokia.com:58443/document_browser/ccm_wa/GIF_SPECS/ | 23:09 |
| Firebird | did anyone ever figure out what the "surprise" in the N900 screen was? or am I imagining that there is a surprise.. | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK_ | what, the "surprise" is now in the screen? | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK_ | when did it become the screen? | 23:10 |
| Firebird | I read something on TMO, maybe I was half asleep | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK_ | I thought it was the FM radio | 23:10 |
| javispedro | I think it's the ir port. | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK_ | oh yeah, maybe that | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK_ | is it a dedicated port or is it just abusing the proximity sensor's emitter? | 23:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Maemo Extras" "http://Maemo.org Extras Testing" | 23:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles hits Peter. | 23:12 | |
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| ShadowJK_ | hm? | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjfRE7GLno | 23:12 |
| javispedro | from what I know (not much) it's a CIR TX only. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | 7:45 or so | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a real port. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's on the top to the right side. | 23:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Next to the camera button. | 23:12 |
| kirma | shadowjk? | 23:12 |
| Firebird | quoting from talk.maemo "At mobile-review there is a talk about Eldar talking something about N900's screen having a "surprise" with it but I just can't bring myself to believe it is "stantum technology" or something multitouch related. " | 23:13 |
| kirma | you mean radio receiver would be using the proximity sensor emitter as antenna? | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK_ | kirma, no I mean that irreco would be using the proximity sensor emitter for making TVs do weird shit | 23:13 |
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| kirma | ehm | 23:14 |
| kirma | sounds too exotic to say the least to me | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | It is, it's a real IR port. | 23:15 |
| kirma | what that description even means :) | 23:15 |
| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, any comment on that quote? | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, I have no idea. | 23:15 |
| javispedro | only without a receiver (i was already dreaming about getting my m130 to the internet again ;) ) | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It certainly behaves like a normal resistive screen. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sensitivity is really good. | 23:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles is so glad they handed out N900s. ;) | 23:16 | |
| ShadowJK_ | kirma, well as I understand it, the proximity sensor is basically just sending out some IR and looking for return signal anyway... I thought it'd been a cool hack if the emitter was modulated at 38kHz so you could bitbang some remote control into it from software :-) | 23:16 |
| javispedro | without NDAs. Wonder who will publish the first benchmark ;) | 23:16 |
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| ShadowJK_ | There's one problem I battle with in getting an N900... | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK_, I'm sure somebody could do it. | 23:17 |
| kirma | I thought proximity sensor is simply similar to capacitive "buttons" | 23:17 |
| Firebird | well, it certainly can't be a stantum touch surface, as the screen vectors | 23:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kirma, no, it's like those dbeams you get on some synths and keyboards. | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK_ | I know I'll be spending so much time hacking/breaking it, that it probably wont even work as phone most of the time... | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's an IR emitter and a receiver. | 23:17 |
| kirma | thought there's entirely separate IR part... | 23:18 |
| kirma | but well. it's pretty irrelevant as long as it does what it claims | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK_ | so it'd seem the device actually has two IR emitters then? :) | 23:19 |
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| ShadowJK_ | One for proximity sensor and one for irreco | 23:19 |
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| ShadowJK_ | I wonder if it can receive too? | 23:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | the camera can prolly pick up IR | 23:22 |
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| ShadowJK_ | Supposedly someone talked about capacitive multitouch at summit? | 23:24 |
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| ShadowJK_ | SpeedEvil, camera has only like 30fps though at best? | 23:24 |
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| ShadowJK_ | I hope they can get it as accurate as current screens :( | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK_: it may well be possible to set it for faster - with a smaller frame | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK_: however - this is based solely on datasheets of similar imagers | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK_ | you'd need something like 600 | 23:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 23:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle, you could get more if you jam it up to the lens - then you get 1/rollingshutterwidth | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 23:31 |
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| javispedro | what about the proximity sensor ir receiver? ;) | 23:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can't meaningfully speculate on that. | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | The camera, I have read lots of datasheets on broadly similar ones. | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | at least the little camera | 23:35 |
| javispedro | I guess it can capture nowhere near the required speeds. | 23:36 |
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| javispedro | s/can/cant | 23:36 |
| javispedro | I'm thinking IrDA, not consumer IR. | 23:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | CIR probably will generally require something that can do over 1KHz or so | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Then again, you only need one remote to copy | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | and anyone else can download it | 23:37 |
| javispedro | there's already the remote database, that use case is covered. | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | mooo | 23:39 |
| javispedro | hello Stskeeps, how did things go? | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | good | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | a great day | 23:39 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: drunk? :D | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | not much | 23:40 |
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| Stskeeps | happy about gl drivers and n900 | 23:42 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, drivers are promissing | 23:43 |
| javispedro | :) | 23:43 |
| javispedro | got any info apart from the "estimate" schedule (of course that's good enough!!) :) | 23:43 |
| javispedro | ? | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | 2 weeks | 23:44 |
| javispedro | 2 weeks only? | 23:44 |
| javispedro | O.o | 23:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i was surprised too | 23:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 2 weeks?! For that, Stskeeps, I'll milk a cow of your choice and turn it into beer | 23:45 |
| wazd | It's like "Oh yes, drivers were released yesterday" :) | 23:45 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810++ | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | and they tested on the devices already | 23:45 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | But, anyway, hey Stskeeps, how's the Summit going? | 23:46 |
| Stskeeps | great imho | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK_ | any details whether they're stuck on .21 or have opensource wrapper-type thing? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | open source kernel driver | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | i just wonder how many people will contribute to mer now that god and everyone has a n900 | 23:51 |
| SmackPotat | whats with maemo 6 | 23:52 |
| SmackPotat | what hardware | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 23:52 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: same answer as question "what are n810 3d drivers for" I guess. | 23:54 |
| SmackPotat | where | 23:55 |
| SmackPotat | makebelieve | 23:55 |
| javispedro | werewolve. | 23:56 |
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