IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-10-08

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qwerty12_N810javispedro: hildon-home; src/hd-change-background-dialog.c00:01
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javispedroah, hildon-home00:01
javispedrothey were split?00:01
javispedrota qwerty12_N810!00:01
qwerty12_N810NP, being able to look at strings helps...00:01
Maceri sure hope this touchbook isn't stuck with this "ai" default user00:02
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, yes, thank goodness.00:02
Macerthat would suck00:02
GeneralAntillesMacer, reinstall Ubuntu?00:02
Macerreinstall ubuntu?00:03
Macerit's running a modded angstrom00:03
Maceri wanted to try out their stock stuff first00:03
GeneralAntillesAh, right.00:04
GeneralAntillesWell, reinstall that. :P00:04
javispedroGeneralAntilles: so, it will read desktop files from /usr/share/backgrounds00:04
Macerre-install it?00:04
Maceri dn't think that would work out too well00:04
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Macernot to throw this out there. but the touchbook was announced some time in march and they already seem to have a pretty workable xfce interface running on an arm platform :)00:05
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, excellent.00:05
GeneralAntillesMacer, Ångstrom has been around for a long time.00:06
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GeneralAntillesTheir upstream isn't filled with closed-source components that need replacing00:06
GeneralAntillesand it's been stable for years.00:06
GeneralAntillesMer's upstream has lots of components that it needs to replace and has only just become stable, oh, yesterday. :P00:07
javispedroMacer: measured battery life already ;)00:07
Macerjavispedro: not yet00:07
Macerit is still doing it's first charge00:07
Macertakes a while00:07
Macerlike. when the batteries are low00:08
Macerthe screen blanks00:08
Macerall on its own right in th emiddle of everything haha... it sucked.. i thought it was broken00:08
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Macerthe tablet interface kind of sucks00:09
Macerit's not really an interface at all00:09
javispedrobut as someone said here previously, "that's software" :)00:10
javispedroMacer: also, having actually received an actual, existing, real, non vaperware OMAP3 device: be happy! :)00:12
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GeneralAntillesArchos has been shipping those since Summer 2008. ;)00:14
qwerty12_N810I'd probably stick with OMAP2 before touching an Archos...00:15
GeneralAntillesWell, yeah, but it's still an OMAP3 device. :P00:16
Macerjavispedro: hahaha00:16
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Macerthey had me guessing there for a long time00:16
Maceri thought i had been the proud preorder of an openpandora00:17
Macertoo bad arm is still rather slow but that might be the ram limitation00:17
Macerff getrs murdered by gmail heh00:17
javispedroI see it has 256MiB.00:17
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, we something to change the WiFi powersaving based on power source.00:19
qwerty12_N810Easily implemented (even for me)00:20
GeneralAntillesHooray dbus!00:20
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GeneralAntillesHrm, is the battery applet still the one throwing the stupid charger banner?00:21
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GeneralAntillesNeed an advanced power again, I guess.00:23
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javispedro"Robert Morgan is working to get IA-128 working backwards with full binary compatibility on the existing IA-64 instructions in the hardware simulation to work for Windows 8 and definitely Windows 9. "00:23
javispedroIA-128 *giggles*00:23
qwerty12_N810That message is easily changed, too. Suddenly, a Diablo Community SSU seems fun...00:24
microlithlol IA-12800:25
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coldbootIs there an easy way to get iotop on the nokia?00:26
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, we need to link it to the Bugzilla quip database. :D00:26
xnt14coldboot, try compiling it?00:26
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: I avoid Bugzilla as much as possible, so I leave that as a task for you :P00:27
xnt14trac ftw.00:27
javispedro"Low battery. We are haskell. mutation is futile. you will be lifted."00:27
coldbootxnt14: Scratchbox is missing /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/, along with a ton of other things.00:27
qwerty12_N810and very well, might I add00:27
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xnt14coldboot, hmm00:27
coldbootYeah every time I want to add something to Maemo, I run into these annoying problems.00:28
* GeneralAntilles never managed to like Trac.00:28
GeneralAntillesBugzilla has its warts, but I'm used to it.00:28
* javispedro is happy enough with garage's tracker. but I admit it sends horribly formated emails.00:28
GeneralAntillescoldboot, such are the limitations of a mobile operating system. It doesn't ship with the kitchen sink. ;)00:29
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, :shudder:00:29
GeneralAntillesGForge is the devil.00:29
xnt14GeneralAntilles, well, I may just hack up my own bug tracking sw from my old sc sourcecode00:29
GeneralAntillesI'm still planning on having the Garage Tracker nuked from orbit at some point.00:29
* xnt14 goes back to work on his webui set00:29
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Did the Google Street View car run over someone's dog this morning? lol00:30
GeneralAntilleszerojay, you didn't migration the Canola issues to Bugzilla. :P00:30
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: zerojay, you didn't migrate the Canola issues to Bugzilla. :P00:30
GeneralAntillesIs there any good project management software that integrates with bugzilla?00:30
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Whaaaa?00:30
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: No, because Bugzilla sucks and is anal enough on its own00:31
GeneralAntilleszerojay, which thing?00:31
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Never mind, I'm just plain confused now. :)00:31
GeneralAntilleszerojay, GForge sucks00:31
coldbootGeneralAntilles: Which is understandable, but it seems Maemo has overridden Python's own "Batteries Included" mantra.00:31
javispedroGForge sucks, Bugzilla sucks, cmon.00:31
GeneralAntillesSeemingly we're slowly migrating everything away from it.00:32
zerojayWhat the fuck... I'm not talking about GForge or anything else... lol.00:32
qwerty12_N810javispedro: Trac sucks, too00:32
GeneralAntilleszerojay, I am, though.00:32
* javispedro 's next garage project will request bugs to me mailed to his home.00:32
zerojayTestopia is good for QA and integrates into Bugzilla.00:32
GeneralAntilleszerojay, was the dog bit directed at the nukes-from-orbit comment or something else? :D00:32
zerojayGeneralAntilles: TMO anti-Google post. ;)00:32
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GeneralAntillesOh, you didn't see it?00:33
javispedroah yes.00:33
qwerty12_N810javispedro: Good, I'll be sure to file a ton of uselss bugs then!00:33
GeneralAntillesWait, you posted in it.00:33
GeneralAntillesNow I'm confused.00:33
zerojayI was the first person to post on it. lol00:33
zerojayMaybe second.00:33
javispedrothat post rules.00:33
zerojayI'm just wondering what makes Google so evil. Is it that they are popular or... did the Street View car run over his dog or what?00:33
javispedroI need to ask there why Nokia is contributing to ARM's monopoly on embedded systems!!! </irony>00:34
GeneralAntillesOh, haha, it all becomes clear now.00:34
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Google is Skynet00:34
GeneralAntillesWell, honestly, I'm partially agreed with him.00:34
GeneralAntillesGoogle is pretty evil.00:34
GeneralAntillesThe whole "Do no evil" thing just didn't pan out.00:34
javispedrojust wait until you notice you need to send all your search results and calendar to Nokia.00:34
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microlithgoogle isn't pretty evil00:35
zerojayThe one and only problem I have with Google is that people at work are using GDocs for shit that is supposed to be 100% internal.. and that's not even Google's fault.00:35
microlithin fact they aren't very evil00:35
frewsxcvcan i install chinook applications on os 2007?00:35
GeneralAntillesPure evil?00:35
microlithfor evil, I give you Monsanto00:35
zerojayWhen they actually DO some evil, fine... but I haven't seen that evil yet.00:35
zerojayExtras-devel just go down AGAIN?00:35
GeneralAntilleszerojay, the whole Chinese search thing was pretty bad.00:36
javispedrowhy people keep on asking SDK on Windows, SDK on Mac, SDK on Linux PPC, when the SDK has even problems running in anything not x86 Debian Lenny?00:36
Proteoussorry, I tripped on teh power cord again00:36
GeneralAntillesThen there's Android's whole open-but-not00:36
GeneralAntillesfinally the ad-sense and privacy issues.00:36
zerojayAndroid doesn't make them evil.00:36
microlithandroid's pretty much open00:36
GeneralAntillesBut not.00:36
microlithhow not?00:36
zerojayEven if it's not all that open.00:36
GeneralAntillesTheir governance model is not open.00:36
GeneralAntillesCan you install Debian on a G1 without circumventing stuff?00:37
microlithwhy not?00:37
zerojayI can't even really blame them for the China thing... it's just a fact of life. If you want access to that huge population, you have to play by China's rules. It's complete bullshit... but not many companies can go ignoring 1/6th of the entire planet... so... meh... it's more a bad situation than evil.00:37
zerojayEvil on China's part.00:38
microlithyou'll have to transition the closed qualcomm modules, but even google has to work around that00:38
GeneralAntillesThe thing that really bothers me is how big of a slice of the open source community Android and webOS are sucking up into platforms that are long-term dead-ends.00:39
microlithwebOS maybe00:39
* Mousey perks up00:39
microlithsince it's tied to Palm00:39
Mouseyhow is webos a dead end?00:39
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Agreed... at least on the Android part. I don't know enough about Webos to comment.00:40
kynkyim guessing the sdk would run fine in a vm running debian x86 ?00:40
javispedroGeneralAntilles: fortunately, that hasn't happened. the iPhone has comparatively a greater chunk of the "OSS comunity".00:40
Mouseyi've abandoned openmoko and maemo for webos00:40
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, iPhone, too, but at least it isn't being billed as "open".00:40
javispedrokynky: yes. in fact, the plan is to distribute that.00:40
microlithandroid's on at least 3 device makers phones now, which means it's at least building intertia00:40
microlithopenmoko was never good00:40
zerojayMousey: Then GTFO! lol ;)00:40
frewsxcvcan i install chinook applications on os 2007?00:41
Mouseyzerojay: hehe. i've only abandoned maemo til i get another n81000:41
Mouseythen i'll be back00:41
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, that's the problem, it's building inertia behind a platform that's not really open.00:41
wazdapps as HTML pages? :)00:41
Mouseyi didn't reall abandon maemo. it abandoned ME00:41
zerojaywazd: Same thing as iPhone started with, isn't it?00:41
kynkyajax at least ?00:41
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, we'd be much better off in the long term building that inertia behind a platform that has a chance of becoming generic.00:41
GeneralAntilleszerojay, iPhone was always Objective-C.00:41
microlithGeneralAntilles: would you prefer they back a totally closed system like Winmo, or a non-existent fully open platform?00:41
Mouseyagrees maemo has a chance of becoming generic00:41
zerojayGeneralAntilles: No, it wasn't.00:42
wazdkynky: you don't really know what AJAX is, aren't you? :)00:42
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Back when the iPhone first launched, remember? :)00:42
kynkywazd, i do it for my job00:42
Mouseyits just a shame the n900 turned out to be a phone00:42
wazdkynky: how does it supposed to help local app then?00:43
GeneralAntilleszerojay, there wasn't an AppStore.00:43
Mouseyi'm genuinely disappointed =(00:43
GeneralAntillesMousey, so you switch to . . . webOS?00:43
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MouseyGeneralAntilles: no!!00:43
qwerty12_N810Mousey: erm, you're buying a webos device00:43
MouseyGeneralAntilles: i haven't been active lately in this channel cuz i'm saving my pennies for another n810!00:43
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, at least if they were getting behind WinMob it wouldn't be because it's open.00:43
kynkywazd thought you meant do apps as just html, was thing with ajaz, just makes em more dynamic, bt prob got wrong end of stick, was thinking web apps00:43
zerojayGeneralAntilles: True, there wasn't an app store back then, but Apple claimed they were "making apps". lol00:43
Mouseybut the way i see it, the n810 and the Pre will be the ULTIMATE combination100:43
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, people are getting behind Android because they think it's open, but it's not.00:43
GeneralAntillesMousey, why not just get an N900 and cut your costs down a bit? :\00:44
microlithGeneralAntilles: at least android has the potential to become more open. Or you could end up like openmoko where you're so open the constant chaos makes it unusable00:44
Mouseybecause I want a Tablet, not a phone00:44
kynkydont put a sim card in ?00:44
Mouseythe n810 is by far the most perfect tablet pc i've ever found..00:44
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, fales dichotomy.00:44
Mouseyand i've looked00:44
Mouseythe n900 is sMALLER00:44
Mouseyand worse keyboard00:45
Mouseyit's a total 1stepforward2stepsback00:45
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, so you think Google is going to let people run $RANDOM C applications?00:45
Mouseythe n810 is the sweetspot00:45
microlitharen't they already?00:45
GeneralAntillesMousey, worse keyboard?00:45
wazdkynky: well, they do javascript, yes00:45
microlithI believe that was part of one of the newer SDK releases, no?00:45
wazdn900 is a phone -> let's go to WebOS00:45
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, dunno, can I run XChat on Android with a recompile?00:45
GeneralAntillesMousey, according to whom?00:45
Mouseyplus the Pre's a linux box like any wrt54g or nslu200:46
Mouseyaccording to my fingers?00:46
wazdsolid logic :D00:46
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GeneralAntillesMousey, and let me tell you, you don't notice the screen size difference.00:46
GeneralAntillesMousey, erm, you can install Debian on the Pre?00:46
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microlithGeneralAntilles: no, but that's mainly because it's not using X or GTK, not part of it being closed.00:46
GeneralAntillesMousey, oh, you've used one?00:46
MouseyGeneralAntilles: eventually you can00:46
MouseyGeneralAntilles: it's pretty frickin' generic hardware00:46
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, depends on your definition of "closed".00:46
GeneralAntillesMousey, OK, good luck with that.00:46
kynkyif resolution is there,you can use manual zoom, hold device nearer to eyes ? like kyrton does in red dwarf when he becomes human00:46
Mouseyin fact, there's a whole thing about getting aother OS on the pre as soon as the GSM ver is out00:47
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GeneralAntillesmicrolith, mine requires a certain sort of governance model (which Android doesn't, and likely will never, have) and a certain genericness in the platform.00:47
microlith"source unavailable, changes not permitted by the end-user whatsoever"00:47
zerojayGeneralAntilles: What do ya think?
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, both of which Android fails.00:47
Mouseyi maintain that the Nokia810 and Palm Pre will be the ultimate in discreet mobile computing00:48
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GeneralAntillesmicrolith, clearly I'm not going to convince you, and thankfully you're not one of the people that needs convincing.00:48
MouseyNokia n810, even00:48
Mouseyhell, they're even binary compatiblr00:48
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GeneralAntillesMousey, why don't you try an N900 before you decide that?00:48
zerojayMousey: Use the N900 first. The screen and keyboard are BETTER than my beloved N810.00:48
Mouseyi have! i don't need two phones!00:48
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GeneralAntillesMousey, oh, you can run webOS binaries on the N900?00:48
GeneralAntillesMousey, where'd you try the N900?00:49
Mouseythey're just arm linux binaries00:49
Mouseyoh, i guess i haven't00:49
Mouseyi'm looking at the keyboard now00:49
GeneralAntillesMousey, and you have webOS binaries on Maemo?00:49
Mouseyand i'm left handed00:49
Flyserwebos apps aren't binarys00:49
coldbootI can't even install Python setuptools00:49
Mouseyand that space bar is already messing me up00:49
kynkythougt the n900 was a mid, it just happens to support phone operations, like saying having a 5mp camera,just extras00:49
Mouseyits a phone00:49
microlithGeneralAntilles: err, last I checked the sources for everything but the qualcomm hardware was available, unless that's just hocus pocus in the repositories we have here...00:49
zerojayMousey: You're actually able to hit it solidly with one finger instead of awkwardly with both.00:49
GeneralAntillesmicrolith, open source does not make a platform open.00:50
Mouseywell i don't mean to sound entirely skeptical00:50
Mouseyi've been in here a long time, i love the n81000:50
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GeneralAntillesWhere is that article that came out a few months ago about open source governance models?00:50
Mouseyi'm just sad its a phone too, that's hardware i'll never use, means i'll never be able to just buy one, it'll be sold in america from GSM carriers who will NOT sell you just the hardware. unless i can get it from nokia, but i'm still paying for a useless radio00:51
GeneralAntillesAh, here we go:
GeneralAntillesmicrolith ^00:51
Mouseyi like debs better than ipkgs00:51
* microlith looks00:51
GeneralAntillesMousey, it wont be subsidized in the US.00:51
kynkythought it better to hav 3g in the phone, rather than a dongle, like having wifi built in, without needing a wifi dongle00:51
zerojayMousey: GSM radios cost almost nothing.00:51
Mouseyi'm still getting an n810. but i'll look at the n900, to be sure00:52
GeneralAntillesMousey, I recommend you try the N900 before you pass final judgement.00:52
Mouseymaybe, but that real estate on the PCB coulda been used for something i might use00:52
GeneralAntillesMousey, screenshots and pictures don't tell you anything.00:52
javispedrobah, we need now an automated web app where you upload the SNES ROM and it automatically plays through all the levels, taking screenshots, and then releases a load of .deb files with backgrounds.00:52
Mouseytells me they don't care about lefties ;)00:52
zerojayjavispedro: I've released six so far. I've used other people's maps.00:52
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javispedrozerojay: just joking, no criticism intended :)00:53
javispedrothey're very good.00:53
zerojayActually, can someone help me out with packaging up these gaming backgrounds so we can add them to.... well... could they even be in Extras?00:53
qwerty12_N810javispedro: Stop being lazy. We'll just ask you to play the game for us and run dh_make00:53
ShapeshifterDo I need to do something special to have the scratchbox maemo have an internet connection? I'm writing an app that uses curl and curl reports "couldn't resolve hostname" when I try to use it.00:53
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zerojayjavispedro: I know none was intended. I had to edit them some to make it work seamlessly though.00:54
Shapeshifteralthough clearly, apt-get update works, so it has a connection00:54
GeneralAntilleszerojay, only issue might be copyright on the images.00:54
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Shapeshifterdo I need to give the app clearance of sort or something?00:54
wjtzerojay: where're you releasing them?00:55
GeneralAntilleszerojay, and clutter, but hopefully h-a-m's browsing capabilities will be improving.00:55
zerojaywjt: For the moment, they are here:
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kynkyhow do you do middle and second mouse button emulation ? or not possible on n90000:56
zerojaywjt: But that doesn't include the .desktop file to set them up as Image Sets... which I already have as well.00:56
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Might it fall under fair use?00:56
GeneralAntilleszerojay, dunno.00:56
zerojaywjt: What's new with the telepathy-extras? Got a changelog somewheres?00:56
GAN800kynky, long press for right click.00:57
kynkyGAN800, cheers00:57
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Captain_Picardseriously when is this n900 going to be released00:57
Captain_Picardi dont want to wait any longer00:57
GAN800kynky, no middle click, though you're more than welcome to implement you own method.00:58
kynkyoct 26th from nokia ship in uk00:58
qwerty12_N810Captain_Picard: They've already released it, but they forgot to tell you00:58
Captain_Picard26:th :O00:58
GAN800Captain_Picard, soon, I'd say.00:58
Captain_Picardthats so faaar ahead00:58
Captain_Picardcouldnt they just say november00:58
zerojayIt's out when it's out. Sorry.00:59
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kynkyamazon uk got it for £470 , but thinking of getting it subsidised with t-mobile , web n walk package £25/month unlimited inet, £50 for handset , 200xnet minutes/200 texts, that released on nov 1st00:59
coldbootDoes anyone know why the "curses" package is deprecated in python for maemo?00:59
Captain_Picardsays the people who have n900 already prototype in use00:59
Captain_Picarddamn developers!01:00
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kynkymake it so01:00
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wazdzerojay: ah, it's you who's attacking with console wallpapers :P01:01
wjtzerojay: presumably the packages themselves have a changelog? I haven't really been keeping up I'm afraid01:01
zerojaywjt: Okay, no biggie.01:01
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Looks like the wallpapers fall under fair use, so we should be okay.01:01
wazdzerojay: I'd suggest Sega/Snes games01:01
kynkyGAN800, i guess a mini bt mouse would work ?01:01
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qwerty12_N810Streets of Rage FTW01:02
zerojaywazd: Yeah, problem is that it's hard to get a long horzontal section that works.01:02
wazdzerojay: use emulators/PS01:02
zerojayqwerty12_N810: I almost did one today.01:02
Captain_Picardzerojay: are you going to make .deb package of all the wallpapers01:02
wazdzerojay: znes for example can enable/disable sprite layers01:02
zerojaywazd: No, you're not understanding me. The games don't HAVE long horizontal sections long enough for the wallpaper at the right ratio. :)01:02
wazdzerojay: noway :)01:03
zerojayCaptain_Picard: Planning on it.01:03
qwerty12_N810zerojay: If you get one done, I'll package it and consider you as a hero01:03
zerojaywazd: Seriously.01:03
wazdzerojay: most arcades are sidescrollers :D01:03
* wjt would less-than-three some Sonic 3 wallpaper01:03
GeneralAntilleskynky, yeah, it should, It's just Xorg in Fremantle.01:03
zerojaywazd: The problem isn't simply just the horizontal sections... it's lining them up so that they are continuous.01:04
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zerojayThat's the major problem with Sonic.01:04
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wazdcheck it out :)01:04
zerojayYou want the end of screenshot 4 to match up to the start of screenshot 1.01:04
Shapeshifterno ideass why curl can't resolve hostnames in my scratchbox?01:05
wjtmight have to be some judicious editing01:05
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wazdchoose your sonic :)01:05
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wazdI'd choose 301:05
zerojayI made some changes to the Contra wallpaper to match... but yeah... it's going to take some editing. Still, I fired off those six quickly while at work today.01:05
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zerojayqwerty12_N810: Think starting with six is okay for a first release then?01:06
xiphhi guys01:06
GeneralAntilleswazd, is clearly the man for the job.01:06
qwerty12_N810Shapeshifter: look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and the targets' /etc/resolv.conf01:06
xiphcan anyone help me with the sdk? got it up and running, but I am missing some applications01:06
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zerojaywazd: Good luck finding a place in Sonic 3 that's horizontal enough to work. :)01:06
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Sure01:06
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zerojayqwerty12_N810: Okay. Let me just eat real quick and I'll send you what you'll need for packaging then.01:07
GAN800Pics or it didn't happen!01:07
xiphonly got App manager, Settings and More01:07
qwerty12_N810zerojay: It's 11:07 PM here and I'm not behind a computer, so I'll have to start tomorrow anyway :p01:07
zerojayOkay, I'll continue the MAEMO EATS meme. ;)01:08
Shapeshifterqwerty12_N810: thanks! fixing resolv.conf worked :)01:08
zerojayqwerty12_N810: Okay. I'll send you an link to a zip with everything then?01:08
qwerty12_N810zerojay: Sure01:08
qwerty12_N810zerojay: trippin1@gmail.com01:08
xiphAm I supposed to do something specific to get the Applications in the SDK?01:09
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qwerty12_N810xiph: add nokia-binari...01:10
fralsapt-get install nokia-apps nokia-binaries01:10
fralsoh right...01:10
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xiphlol, forgot that I've added shutdown -h in crontab at 00:1001:12
zerojayGAN800: There! It happened! lol -
zerojaylol, xiph01:13
xiphas I said earlier, are there anything I can do to get the applications in the SDK?01:13
qwerty12_N810xiph: add nokia-binaries repo and apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps01:14
xiphbeen there done that01:14
xiphthe sdk stats up01:14
xiphbut, I got no applications/tasks01:14
fralsmade sure you installed them in the right target?01:15
fralsie x86/arm01:15
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xiphyes, I think so. otherwise it wouldn't start at all? or?01:16
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* javispedro is stuuupid.01:17
GeneralAntilleszerojay, muhaha!
zerojayThe N900 group has so many already. lol01:17
qwerty12_N810You're doing this wrong. You need to make an image set that shows the food on the plate being eaten as the desktop is scrolled01:19
xnt14yay, just finished the on-off toggle in webui! :)
xnt14works flawlessly01:19
xnt14hmm, what next.....01:20
qwerty12_N810xiph:... and you're sure you installed nokia-apps and nokia-binaries? Because it really does not look like it01:20
xiphwell, I'll try again01:21
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xiphthink I missed the nokia-apps01:23
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xiphsuccess :D01:23
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GeneralAntillesGoddamn Comcast01:27
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: I'll see if the .desktop will allow hidden images to be used with the panoramic desktop so that they don't clutter up the user's Images app.01:36
GeneralAntilleszerojay, /usr/share/backgrounds/01:36
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zerojayIs that where the others are?01:37
GeneralAntillesNo, but apparently it'll read them from there.01:37
GeneralAntillesThe .desktops, I mean.01:37
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zerojayOh, okay. I'll test it out.01:38
Shapeshifterhuh cool, "... is not responding, close it?"01:38
Shapeshifterreally neat01:38
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Doesn't exist.01:39
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, /usr/share/backgrounds/ ?01:40
javispedrothe default ones come with a theme01:40
javispedroand those are in /usr/share/themes/*/backgrounds01:41
GeneralAntillesAh, I see.01:41
javispedrobut I found the hildon-home enumerates also /usr/share/backgrounds/01:41
GeneralAntillesOh? So create the directory, then.01:41
javispedroso I guess the latter is the home for the retrogaming backgrounds ;)01:41
zerojayYeah, seems to.01:41
zerojayShould I put the images themselves there as well?01:42
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javispedrozerojay: guess it does not matter. Most .desktop files I've seen have full paths to the image files.01:42
zerojayMine too.01:42
zerojay$HOME doesn't work in the path, btw.01:42
javispedroso you could put them in /opt ....01:42
GeneralAntillesMmm, opt is good.01:43
zerojayI haven't really looked into /opt yet... just /opt/backgrounds/ or /opt/usr/share/backgrounds/... ?01:43
javispedromaemo-optimizer would put them in /opt/maemo/usr/share/backgrounds iirc.01:43
GeneralAntillesSo just drop /maemo/01:43
zerojayEverything in /opt is symlinked anyways, right?01:44
javispedrozerojay: yes, but packages create the symlinks by themselves.01:44
javispedroin this case, there's no need to, since you can make the .desktop files link to /opt already.01:44
javispedros/link/refer .01:44
zerojayOkay.. so... .desktop files in /usr/share/backgrounds/ and the actual images in /opt/usr/share/backgrounds/... ?01:45
javispedroGeneralAntilles: sure they dropped /maemo?01:45
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, they didn't for optify.01:45
zerojayI have /opt/maemo on my tablet.01:46
GeneralAntillesBut I believe the plan is for packages to drop it and patch optify in the future.01:46
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qwerty12_N810/opt/<something>/usr/... appears to be the convention so far01:46
GeneralAntillesHowever, I lost interest in the discussion on the mailing list about half-way, through, so. . . . :P01:46
javispedroso /opt/maemo-backgrounds/<background-name>/actual_files.png ? :D01:46
zerojayI hate you guys. lol01:47
zerojayAlrighty... so...01:47
javispedrozerojay: if you're the first to do you get the honor of deciding the policy ;)01:47
zerojayjavispedro: Sort of like the first caveman to try eating something new.01:48
zerojayjavispedro: "If it works, awesome.. if not... we'll name a cemetary after you."01:48
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javispedrothere's an app for that, too.01:48
zerojayNow you're getting the cemetary. :)01:48
GeneralAntilleszerojay, just put them in /. :P01:49
* zerojay big regal voice...01:49
zerojayIn the name of Maemo...01:49
javispedroi'd put them in /dev/shm/.01:49
* zerojay runs mkdir /opt/maemo-backgrounds/01:49
zerojayAnd it was done.01:49
qwerty12_N810I'd go for /var/tmp01:49
zerojay[19:25] [Error] dev/null: Unknown command. <-- oopsie. ;)01:50
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qwerty12_N810Actually, it would be cool if the Browser, when "opening files from the internet", would use /opt instead of /var/tmp...01:53
GeneralAntillesHehe, the Thanks rate for sane posts has gone way down since all of the cool people are on planes. :D01:54
pupnikthanks should have been for providing solutions or info01:55
pupniknot "i agree with his opinion"01:56
qwerty12_N810Well, it's that or 20 posts saying "+1"01:56
GeneralAntillespupnik, what if the opinion is about a solution?01:56
GeneralAntillespupnik, anyway, that's why Off Topic doesn't have Thanks.01:57
pupnikthen it should be thanked only if it provides a solution or useful info01:57
javispedrothe fscking epson printer is fscked up again.01:57
pupnikmy cups is hosed again01:58
GeneralAntillespupnik, whatever.01:58
pupnikthanks now have no use as a measure of community contributions01:58
zerojaywazd: Is that the proper aspect ratio?01:58
pupnikis all01:58
qwerty12_N810javispedro: then stop fscking it01:58
wazdzerojay: well, yeah, 2x native genesis01:59
zerojaywazd: Looks alright, except you've got a wrapping issue on the grass on the far right and far left sides.01:59
GeneralAntillespupnik, I'd disagree, but meh.01:59
zerojayWell... might not be noticable anyways.02:00
zerojaywazd: Split it up and if you don't mind, I'll put it in this package if it tests out well.02:00
pupniknice background02:01
wazdzerojay: I don't get where's the issue :)02:01
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pupnikare you porting an emulator?02:02
* pupnik tilts head to side listening to wind02:02
javispedronope, they're just doing cool backgrounds (AFAIK ;) )02:02
javispedrowell, gnite all.02:03
zerojaywazd: Split up the files, upload them.. I'll grab them and check them out and let you know if there really is an issue or not.02:03
javispedroand don't let the tmo trolls eat after midnight.02:03
Shapeshifterdoes someone know what signal gets emitted when gtk is done loading the ui for the first time? is there something like that? I want a function to be run as soon as the ui is loaded.02:03
qwerty12_N810javispedro: see ya. Your printer will be relieved ;)02:03
javispedro:) cy02:04
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wazdzerojay: where should I send them?02:11
zerojaywazd: jay@zerojay.com02:12
zerojayEven with the images in /opt/maemo-backgrounds/metroid-brinstar/, they still show up in the Images app. lol02:13
qwerty12_N810Nokia apps, usually, don't show hidden files02:13
zerojayYeah, trying that now.02:13
GeneralAntilleszerojay, Track. :\02:14
GeneralAntillesWish it wouldn't index EVERYTHING02:14
qwerty12_N810Yeah, man, I propose that /opt/porn is added to its blacklist by default02:15
zerojayI changed the .desktop to include a file beginning with . and now it's listed at the top of the backgrounds list.02:15
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zerojayhmm.. seemed to be just temporary then.02:16
GeneralAntillesWas it your background?02:16
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zerojayI had changed it before trying.02:17
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zerojayAlright, it's official... even .hidden files are seen by Images.02:17
pupnikdoes N900 gps have a chance at being better than n810?02:17
zerojaypupnik: It's got more than a chance. It just *IS* better.02:18
GeneralAntillespupnik, of course, it's actually got a cellular radio to connect to.02:18
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SpeedEvilYou don't need cellular for decent GPS.02:18
pupnikwithoujt radio active?02:18
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, you do if it's AGPS.02:18
SpeedEvilNo, you don't.02:18
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, it aint no MTK in there.02:18
zerojayEven without radio active, it's better.02:18
SpeedEvilAGPS degrades to normal GPS without an assistance connection.02:19
SpeedEvil(in the case of most devices anyway)02:19
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, most cellular GPS chips don't do well without the A.02:19
pupnikim amazed they work at all02:19
SpeedEvilSure - that's due to software and hardware qualities. You can make a good GPS, and then add the A.02:20
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, sure, but that's not cheap.02:20
SpeedEvilAGPS doesn't inherently mean a bad GPS without the A.02:20
mavhcthere's 34 different things that are called agps02:20
zerojayFuckin' A.02:20
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, I wasn't making a generic statement.02:20
SpeedEvilit's a _huge_ umbrella term.02:20
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, I was talking about the N810 and the N900.02:20
GeneralAntillesSo, whatever.02:20
SpeedEvilOk - I was just answering hte 'cellular radio' comment.02:21
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Shapeshifter I don't understand how to do this: I have an app that needs to perform some curl stuff right at the start. I want this to either be accompanied by a loading animation or it should simply happen in the background as the first main window is shown. Problem is, that if I just put it before gtk_main() in the main function, it of course gets run before the window shows up so theres a 1 second delay until the curl command has finished. And I ...02:23
Shapeshifter... don't know where else to put it or else it wont run by itself. I can't find a signal for "window done loading" or something like that. Now, if I was to use a loading animation, how would I make it 1. load the animation and show it, 2. do the curl stuff, 3. show the main screen02:24
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zerojayShapeshifter: What exactly are you trying to do with  your app? Perhaps we can find alternative ways of doing what you need if you explain it more.02:25
SpeedEvilShapeshifter: you can fork and have one process do the call, the other process display the UI, and then get a ping from the first process when it's done02:25
pupnikmaybe you can do a syscall to invoke curl first but include a sleep 2 in the syscall02:25
pupnikor that02:26
GeneralAntillesAh, Talk.02:26
Shapeshifterzerojay: well I just need to log in to a site using curl and save the cookie. Then in the main window there are a couple of buttons that send further http requests to a site using that cookie (as authentication) and do stuff on the page.02:26
zerojayShapeshifter: You should at least inform the user you're going to do that.02:28
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Shapeshifterzerojay: yeah, a loading animation at the start would be nice.02:28
Shapeshifterwith "logging in" below it.02:28
zerojayShapeshifter: You might want to look into how SharePy does it's authentication setup stuff. Not in the background without telling the user.02:29
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, splash screens aren't used in Maemo.02:29
GeneralAntillesShapeshifter, hildon banner or you can put a little processing circle next to the app title.02:29
GeneralAntillesFor Fremantle02:29
wazd <- that's where UI guidelines fail :)02:30
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zerojaywazd: Okay, never mind what I said. It looks good on the device.02:32
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zerojaywazd: Can I package this with my six into that .deb? You might want to upload it to yourself as well.02:33
wazdzerojay: ah, do whatever you want :)02:33
zerojaywazd: Sonic 3.. what level?02:33
GeneralAntilleszerojay, too bad the autobuilder is still dead. :(02:33
wazdzerojay: first02:34
zerojayGeneralAntilles: I still have some arranging to do anyways.02:34
zerojaywazd: Meant the level name, but that's okay.. I'll find it. :)02:34
wazdzerojay: emerald valley02:35
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wazdoh no02:35
wazdangel island :D02:35
zerojayYep, thanks.02:37
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GeneralAntillesWiFi with a router that's not falling apart is so much better.02:44
zerojaywazd: I'll up them also to n900wallpapers if you haven't already (with credit, of course).02:44
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Just might do that Excitebike background. Any particular level you'd like to see?02:45
GeneralAntilleszerojay, any that's visually interesting.02:46
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zerojayTake your pick.02:48
GeneralAntillesEnd of track 1 or track 4 somewhere?02:49
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zerojayI'll take a crack at it once I'm done getting the rest ready for packaging.02:51
GeneralAntillesBlah blah blah . . . lazy02:51
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orbarronall: does maemo have a logo I can use somewhere? I tried the but nothing is there03:04
GeneralAntillesThose aren't Maemo logos.03:05
GeneralAntillesThose are logos03:05
GeneralAntillesWhat are you using it for?03:05
orbarrongot it...03:05
GeneralAntillesorbarron, lot of people like to chop the ".org" off to turn it into a "maemo" logo, so just making sure. :D03:06
orbarronis there a standard logo or is this it?03:07
orbarrondon't want to chop anything just want to use what is available... but thanks for the input03:07
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GeneralAntillesorbarron, Maemo doesn't really have a logo.03:08
orbarrongot it so the is good then03:08
GeneralAntillesorbarron, basically "Maemo" written in Nokia's font might qualify, but the only real logo we have is the one.03:09
GeneralAntillesorbarron, see the "Maemo" up under the Nokia logo here:
orbarronIC I like the .org one looks nice:-D03:10
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orbarronhow about guidelines of usage? same as the ones listed here --  --03:12
GeneralAntillesorbarron, basically, yeah.03:12
orbarrongot it... thanks again03:12
GeneralAntillesorbarron, the big page of legalese needs updating.03:12
GeneralAntillesorbarron, but as long as it's something related to or the community and not specifically Nokia you can use it.03:13
GeneralAntillesWe're not too worried about protecting the trademark.03:13
GeneralAntillesGot nothing to sell. :D03:13
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orbarronis there a bigger favicon image some where?03:13
GeneralAntillesorbarron, I think there's an SVG floating around down somewhere in Brazil but I was never able to get ahold of it. :(03:14
GeneralAntillesorbarron, should be fairly easy to yank the ae out of the svg, though.03:15
orbarronyeah I know, just being a bit lazy....:-D03:15
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zerojayWhat would be nice to make these backgrounds REALLY pop.. a widget that just plays an animation and is completely invisible except for the sprite assigned to it.03:19
zerojayMake those Mario ? blocks glow. :)03:20
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SpeedEvilOr just support for animated backgrounds.03:20
zerojayThat too.03:20
SpeedEvilStreaming ones too.03:20
SpeedEvilImagine a background of several worldwide beach-cams.03:20
zerojayWidgets that play the animation in a path... enemies could walk around.03:20
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zerojayWonder what needs to be added to bump up an image set to a full theme.03:22
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GeneralAntillesLots more bitmaps?03:22
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GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to make an app with RGB sliders for the LED.03:51
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FirebirdGeneralAntilles, the one for the N810 doesn't work?04:21
GeneralAntillesGood point, haven't tried.04:21
GeneralAntillesBut doubt it.04:21
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Standby... theme incoming.04:22
GeneralAntillesWhich reminds me, where the hell did jott disappear to?04:22
zerojayWell... "image set" anyways.04:22
FirebirdGeneralAntilles, try it:
Firebirdthough, /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2 probably doesn't exist04:22
Firebirdthe N900 has a RGB led?04:23
zerojayDoes different colors, yeah.04:23
zerojayBottom left of the device.04:23
FirebirdI think the manual kinda concluded that it did white and orange only04:23
zerojayDoesn't ever flash often enough when there's a new or incoming message.04:23
zerojayNo, blue = new e-mail/im.04:23
zerojayGreen = fully charged.04:24
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Firebirdah, guess I didn't look at it far enough04:24
zerojayDon't blame yourself. The manual is missing a lot... or gets things wrong.04:24
GeneralAntillesIt's RGB04:25
Firebirdis there any directory like the one on the N810?04:27
wiretappedis there any new info about when the N900 is actually going to be available?04:28
* wiretapped is ready04:28
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Hope you don't mind the slight artistic license I had to take to make sure the status bar wouldn't be drawn on top of a mess of random colored pixels:
howitzer`it's available when you're not ready anymore :)04:29
* wiretapped rushes out to buy a g104:29
zerojayIt was a bitch to loop properly... but you can't even tell anymore. :)04:29
GeneralAntillesIt sucks and I hate it!04:30
zerojayI was going to replace NINTENDO with MAEMO.ORG for you, but got lazy. :)04:31
GeneralAntillesI really want somebody to do a full theme for something.04:31
GeneralAntillesSound effects, too.04:31
zerojayYeah, that's why I was asking earlier.04:31
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Guest2651_828how to i chat04:35
GeneralAntilles /nick <your nick>04:35
Firebirdwell, you're chatting right now04:36
GeneralAntillesGotta love Google:
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SpeedEvilrandom - does anyone happen to know the number of bytes it would take to update status on twitter? I'm unsure if my phone providers claim of 1040 or so is realistic (in an ad)04:37
wiretappedHow is IRC formed?????04:37
SpeedEvilwiretapped: write grew up.04:37
techgeekdoes anyone know where i can find the wrtouch theme for maemo 4 on ?04:38
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TechGeek2this is much better04:41
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TechGeek2My question was does anyone know where I can find the wptouch theme for the n810 (maemo 4)?04:42
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TechGeek2 penguinbait says its on his website04:43
zerojaywiretapped: LOL04:43
GeneralAntillesDoes this help?
TechGeek2oh sorry04:44
TechGeek2I thought it was a theme for the os on the n810 it's a wordpress theme. my mistake04:44
zerojay - Not a bad start, eh?04:44
zerojayFor one day.04:44
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GeneralAntilleszerojay, Imma email that to your boss. :P04:46
puelocesarI updated some libs on my Diablo and now I can't run Canola anymore04:46
puelocesarit complains about missing XRAND04:46
zerojayGeneralAntilles: lol.04:47
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wiretappedzerojay: i'm confused04:58
wiretappedin the videos it looks like maemo5 scrolls a larger background04:58
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wiretappedwhy are these all 800x480?04:59
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Firebirdwiretapped, you need 4 of them, a giant image would be a bit intensive performance wise04:59
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Firebirdyou can just make one giant one and split it05:00
zerojayEach desktop is 800x480... and just splitting a giant one is what I did.05:00
wiretappedwhy doesn't it just do that?!05:00
wiretappedyou actually have to set four different wallpapers?05:00
zerojayYou CAN.05:00
wiretappedand the stuff in the video involves four images that line up?05:01
zerojayI have included .desktop files that will set all four at the same time.05:01
zerojayWhen you install my themes from the .deb that'll be made, you'll just see "Image Set - Super Mario Bros. - World 1-2" for example and it will set all four at once.05:01
zerojayJust downloading them from that site though.. you'd have to do it one by one.05:02
zerojayNot that it's a big deal to do that anyways... only saving maybe a minute.05:02
wiretappednice work btw05:02
Firebirdbah, ignorantly updated with extras-devel again :/05:03
zerojaywiretapped: When you see them in action.. that's when you can really appreciate it.05:03
zerojayLet me see if this thing will record video.. hmm.05:03
wiretappedyou have an n900 already?05:04
* wiretapped wonders how many here do05:04
zerojayLoad applet apparently lets you record screencasts, but it just recorded black for me.05:04
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zerojaywiretapped: If I get to do what I really want to do with these themes... you ain't seen nothin' yet.05:07
FlandryHi. Is there a separate channel for maemo dev?05:08
zerojayThis is it.05:08
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Flandryok great05:08
Flandryi'm wondering if the app manager is supposed to work in the SDK05:09
zerojayJust keep in mind that a lot of people are on their way to Summit, so not everyone's around. :)05:09
Flandryah good point05:09
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Flandrycan click on apps in app manager, but nothing happens05:10
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Flandryas i don't yet have a tablet, i don't know how it normally acts05:10
zerojayMaybe you don't have the repos set up.05:11
Firebirdnothing happens here either05:12
Flandryhave five or six showing up under "Catalogues"05:13
Flandryand i can see apps05:13
zerojayYeah, that would be them.05:13
Flandryjust nothing happens...05:13
Flandryactually media playback is broken too05:14
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FlandryFirebird, what works for you in the emulator?05:14
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Flandryit's hard to know what to file a bug for when everything is busted :D05:18
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Firebird"Bug Report: Product *"05:20
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AStormcould someone please provide a way to bypass or work around that damned esound resampler?06:10
AStormsomeone set that junk for 48kHz06:10
AStormit's adding aliasing to all music06:10
AStormnow that I stopped using crummy headphones, it sounds *horrid*06:11
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AStormeither like noise, or like someone put audio through a resonant filter06:11
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AStormI am willing to pay some small battery life tax06:13
AStormbut please do fix it06:13
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AStormthis linear resampler is making my ears cry :-(06:15
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AStorm(formerly it was less noticeable due to worse earphones)06:20
ShadowJKI thought it was resampling to 44100hz in maemo?06:21
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ShadowJKAnd yes, esd's resampler sounds like someone scratching on your window with a fork06:21
AStormw/e, it is resampling06:21
AStormthat's enough06:21
AStormand resampling badly06:21
AStormanyway, hda-intel vs this is no-contest06:23
AStormon the same files.06:23
AStormand I think it's mostly fixable06:23
AStormin software.06:23
ShadowJKhda-intel probably doesn't have that much margin between signal and noise floor, but crummy resampling will stand out over it :)06:24
AStormactually, here it provides some 100 dBA SNR (measured by ear)06:24
ShadowJKThe "fix" is to have esd run at the hardware's native rate, if it has one, and feed esd at that rate06:24
AStorm(plus a nasty 19kHz+ quiet whine)06:24
AStormShadowJK: what hardware? you mean the DSP? ;p06:25
ShadowJKWhat samplerate is the file you're playing?06:25
AStormstandard mp3, that is, 44100 Hz, 16 bit, stereo06:25
ShadowJKiirc things go funny if MPlayer feeds esd at anything BUT 44100hz06:26
AStormit's especially apparent on all kinds of electronica06:26
ShadowJKhm, I've got some ladytron somewhere..06:26
ShadowJKWhat headphones do you have btw?06:26
AStormnow, Sennheiser IE-7... these are 24 Ohm I think06:27
ShadowJKNot familiar with IE-706:27
AStormso shouldn't be a problem to drive by the analogue part of the circuit06:27
ShadowJKnoise floor is kinda obvious on tablet06:28
* ShadowJK gets reminded by plugging in headphones06:28
AStormas in when not playing06:28
AStormyes, it's some -82 dBA IMO06:28
AStormbut that's not too bad.06:28
ShadowJKWell you can hear when the DSP is activated and deactivated by the sudden appearance of huge amounts of bg noise :)06:28
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AStormbut yes. this is not the problem though06:29
ShadowJKit's actually the biggest distortion I hear06:29
ShadowJKthat and volume doesn't go low enough06:29
AStormyou're using some low impedance headphones06:29
AStormlike, 16 Ohm. had that problem too06:30
AStormchange both analog control (the system one) and digital06:30
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AStormfortunately, n810's amp is not as wimpy as old iPod's06:30
ShadowJKYeah mine are 16ohm06:30
AStormit can drive low impedance06:30
AStorm(w/o bass loss)06:31
AStormbut now, play some, hmm, electronica06:31
AStormesp. of the more melodic kind06:31
ShadowJKI think the noise would mask alot of distortion06:31
ShadowJKthough not the worst kind of resampling06:31
AStormnot this kind of noise06:32
AStormit's too quiet anyway ;p06:32
ShadowJKdo you have an example file you could send?06:32
AStormlet me think... what could I send w/o snipping.06:32
AStormoh right06:32
AStormthose are from newsgrounds, so you can dl them yourself06:32
ShadowJKmy sennheiser cx-300 are LOUD even at the lowest volume that's still subjectively 30% noise :/06:33
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AStormsubjectively, you're overestimating the noise floor ;p06:33
AStormbut yes, it's audible.06:33
AStorm(but cx 300 go to -106 dBA)06:34
ShadowJKif I play silence, and touch the touchscreen, the noise changes :)06:34
AStorm(about almost what I could measure with Aureon Space)06:34
AStormyes, because it's analog electrical noise06:35
AStormpiss poor opamp there ;p06:35
AStormblame cost cuts06:35
ShadowJKso what should I download?06:35
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AStormlet me see, it's mostly junk, but let me pick something less-junk06:36
ShadowJKyou know it's bad when some chinese clonemakers pick some random amps and get it better06:37
AStormheh, I can do it better with one-transistor amp06:38
AStormthat is how bad it is06:38
AStorm(better as in with similar power efficiency)06:38
AStormactually, just download some random electronica06:38
AStorm(one that has at least some melody)06:39
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ShadowJKit'd be nicer if you could link me some06:39
ShadowJKthis site's navigation eludes me06:39
AStormclick Audio portal06:39
AStormpick "Best list"06:39
AStormor rather, pick the genre in the list just above06:40
GeneralAntillesN900 will have a much better amp.06:40
ShadowJKyeah yeah, but N900 isn't here yet06:41
ShadowJKand especially not on my desk yet :P06:41
AStormamp isn't the real problem here06:41
GeneralAntillesGive it a couple weeks. ;)06:41
ShadowJKand THEN we get to fight with pulseaudio butchering audio :)06:41
AStormGeneralAntilles: give us a couple of bucks ;p06:41
AStormnah, pulse is easily fixable06:41
AStormit has speex resamplers which are decent06:41
AStormeven if they don't enable the good quality one by default06:42
ShadowJKhm, do I need flash for this06:42
ShadowJKoh a floppy picture06:43
* ShadowJK taps06:43
AStormclick "floppy"06:43
ShadowJKhm, maybe I should buy some Shure headphones06:44
ShadowJK27ohm impedance06:44
AStormunfortunately, Shures are overpriced for their quality... a bit06:45
AStormthe top of their line is good, yes06:45
AStormstill overpriced06:45
ShadowJKmy first pick had no vocals at all :-)06:45
ShadowJKWhat did your IE-3 cost?06:45
ShadowJKThe formfactor looks ideal06:45
AStorma lot ;p06:45
ShadowJKoh IE-706:45
GeneralAntillesAStorm, what do you recommend for earbuds?06:45
AStormIE-3 don't exist already ;p (IE-4 was CX 500 + tuning)06:46
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ShadowJKI think I googled IE-3 and got some results, heh06:46
AStormGeneralAntilles: earbuds? if you're averse to canalphones...06:46
ShadowJKoh just under $20006:46
AStormShadowJK: they're long out of production06:46
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AStormIE-3 was... uh06:47
AStormCX 300 + some tuning ;p06:47
ShadowJKand foam instead of rubber06:47
ShadowJKI think I like foam better06:47
ShadowJKWell, depends on the situation really06:47
AStormGeneralAntilles: hmm, let me think for a second06:48
AStormI suspect some of MX series are still good06:48
AStormor at least ok06:48
AStormbut... there was something else too06:48
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ShadowJKI can't stand regular earbuds06:48
ShadowJKThey just fall out06:49
AStormI can stand *some*. smaller ones.06:49
AStormGeneralAntilles: oh right06:49
AStormYuin produces some quite fine earbuds06:49
AStormif you really do not want ear canal06:49
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ShadowJKAm I not seeing GeneralAntilles' side of the conversation or is this a long monologue? :)06:50
AStorm05:45:59 GeneralAntilles | AStorm, what do you recommend for earbuds?06:50
GeneralAntillesNot an earbud person, but it's always good to know what to recommend.06:50
ShadowJKAStorm, do you have a non-esd system with MPlayer?06:51
AStormthat's why I'm asking how to fix it06:51
AStormI had one once06:51
AStormbut with custom kernel06:51
AStormand a whole other lot of custom stuff I forgot to write down06:51
AStormheck, ALSA worked there (w/o mixing)06:52
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ShadowJKIt's strange because I think esd runs at 44100hz on the tablet... so there should be no remixing :/06:52
* AStorm checks again06:52
AStormcanola configs.06:52
AStormactually, .atabake/config06:54
AStormaudio = oms06:54
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AStormset that to mplayer, let's check.06:55
AStorm(mplayer will use its own ffmpeg resampler)06:55
ShadowJKif it feels like it06:56
ShadowJKit has about 5 resamplers ;p06:56
ShadowJKFrom "omg, fast!" to "audiophile!"06:56
AStormyes, that was it.06:57
* ShadowJK constructs monstrous resampler-fail filterchain in mplayer and finds some anime OST that sounds dreadful afterwards06:57
* AStorm kicks esd or gstreamer in the nuts06:57
ShadowJKWhat was it?06:57
AStormswitching to mplayer fixed the horridness06:58
AStormbut added a fresh new volume control bug ;p06:58
AStorm(volume control acts a split second *after* the track is loaded)06:58
ShadowJKthe default media player does that too06:59
ShadowJKI think it's buffering by esd06:59
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ShadowJKsoftvol anyway06:59
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AStormin other words, it's likely that gstreamer goes through some fail06:59
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AStormwhat was that "oms"?06:59
ShadowJKno idea06:59
smackpotatoanyone get there phone yet06:59
ShadowJKAStorm, do you have n810 or ssh access to your tablet for typing something? wanna test crapp-resampler chain I found?07:00
AStormyou mean n900? heh, no07:00
AStormsure, I have n810 right on hand07:00
AStormguess what I was testing it with ;p07:00
ShadowJKright let me test myself first07:01
AStormlet me give you something that fails horribly w/o that07:01
* AStorm does a title search07:01
AStormit fell off the newsgrounds07:02
AStormeither their search is broken, or everything I have cycled07:03
AStormI suspect the former07:03
AStormof course, main search was broken07:04
ShadowJKmplayer -ao esd -af resample=42000:0:0,resample=44100:0:0 file.mp307:04
AStormwhat kind of brokenness you propose?07:05
ShadowJKThis is the "crap" resampler07:05
AStorma benchmark of ffmpeg resampler?07:05
ShadowJKand not ffmpeg's resampler07:05
AStormlinear mplayer "desampler" ;)07:05
ShadowJKmplayer -ao esd -af resample=42000:0:2,resample=44100:0:2 file.mp307:05
ShadowJKThat's the "good" mplayer resampler07:05
* AStorm tests07:06
ShadowJKand then mplayer -ao esd -af lavcresample=42000,lavcresample=44100 file.mp3 for ffmpeg's resampler07:06
ShadowJKI don't hear these resampling distortions like I used to07:07
ShadowJKI guess working in loud environment has made my hearing crap over the years :/07:07
AStormno, really ;) most of the nasty distortion is high-freq07:09
AStormeasily aparrent on the guitar07:09
AStormbut it's not the :0 resampler07:10
AStormit sounds like :1 one07:10
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ShadowJKis :1 crap to you too?07:10
ShadowJKwhat about :2?07:10
AStorm:2 is ok07:10
ShadowJK:1 loses some volume for me07:10
ShadowJKWhat does :0 sound like to you?07:11
AStormhm, wait07:11
AStormno, it does sound like :007:11
AStormbut different07:11
AStormI suspect it's upsampling for some reason unknown07:11
ShadowJKWell this filterchain downsamples and then upsamples07:12
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AStormyes yes07:12
AStormmplayer doesn't allow 48kHz output via esd07:12
AStormis there a way I can force it?07:12
AStorm(to check if it's that exact sound)07:13
ShadowJKheh, it crashes :)07:13
AStorm:1 is still audibly worse than :207:14
AStormbut mostly because of increased lowpass to me07:14
ShadowJKyeah it's the integer version of :207:14
AStormnowhere near as bad as :0 ;p07:14
ShadowJK:0 is linear interpolation07:14
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* AStorm switches canola to audio=oms to check07:15
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ShadowJKman, I'm totally deaf compared to before07:16
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AStormyes, it's definitely either some kind of linear resampling07:17
AStormor crappy mp3 decoder07:17
AStormsounds "rough" a lot07:17
AStormand noisier07:17
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AStormnow, the question is...07:19
AStormwhether the original player does that.07:19
* AStorm tests07:19
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ShadowJKlol, try 73737 as the first rate07:20
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* AStorm thinks it will sound crap07:23
AStormapparently original player does that too07:23
AStormso it's some kind of oms bug07:23
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AStormor their mp3 decoder07:23
AStormit does sound like linear resampling07:24
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AStormsans clipping07:25
ShadowJKI think esd at one point was doing something worse than linear07:25
AStormyes, zero order hold07:25
AStormbut it definitely sounds like linear07:25
AStormtry -af resample=48000:0:0,resample=44100:0:207:26
AStormmaybe with -volume 9507:26
ShadowJKI didn't even know sennheiser had a higher end in-ear range07:26
ShadowJKWhat do they sound like?07:27
ShadowJKcx300 is kinda harsh and has ludicrous amounts of bass...07:27
AStormIE-7? close to HD 650 of fullsize07:27
AStormthey do have a bit more of bass, but not the CX 300 kind07:28
AStormnot mid bass07:28
AStormbtw, it sounds like:07:28
AStorm-af volume=-6,resample=48000:0:0,resample=44100:0:207:28
AStormwhich means the dumb OMS is sending 48kHz07:28
AStormand esd is doing proper linear resampling07:29
ShadowJKooh that's pretty nasty07:29
* AStorm switches audio to mplayer and is happy (almost) again07:30
* ShadowJK considered etymotic research for awhile07:30
AStormnah, it doesn't sound like that exactly..07:30
AStormesp audible on piano07:30
AStormit's not pure linear07:30
ShadowJKIt's audible on bells for me07:31
AStormit is some monkeying after linear07:31
AStormmaybe it's lowpassed linear07:31
AStormdoes mplayer have a lowpass filter?07:31
AStormyes, it does07:32
* AStorm tests07:32
ShadowJKdoes resample=40517:0:0,resample=44100:0:2 get close?07:32
AStormno, that was mp3lame optino07:32
ShadowJKthis absolutely brutally murders the elfen lied ost07:33
AStormit's worse though07:34
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AStormupping to 48000 Hz is worse too07:34
ShadowJKit's same ratio as 48000->4410007:34
AStormit's like, someone did linear, then did something afterwards07:34
AStormmaybe it's a quadratic filter?07:34
AStormit's definitely not cubic07:35
AStormor if it is, it's broken cubic07:35
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AStormpity mplayer doesn't have all of them bad resamplers ;p07:37
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microlithelfen lied has an ost worth listening to?07:43
AStormmicrolith: hehe07:43
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ShadowJKit's worth it for the latin07:44
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AStormI still suspect it's not really the resampler07:45
AStormbut mp3 decoder07:45
AStormor resampling done in mp3 decoder07:45
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AStormeasy to validate, I'll play a wav file decoded by mplayer vs the mp3 file itself07:46
ShadowJKi thought mplayer was fine07:47
AStormobviously, mplayer uses more CPU07:47
ShadowJKoh right07:47
ShadowJKnevermind me07:47
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AStormI have three audio sources on me ;p 1) hda-intel 2) iRivier T20 (oldie) 3) Nokia N81007:48
luke-jr_I have zero cuz I'm at home07:49
* AStorm should also test vs the original07:49
zgoldIs anybody else havign issues connecting to ?07:49
luke-jr_zgold: I eated it for midnight snack. That server was yummy.07:50
* AStorm confirms that mplayer does proper decode vs iRivier T2007:50
zgoldluke-jr_: 'tis down for you too?07:51
AStorm(albeit audio is sub-par for unrelated reasons ;p )07:51
luke-jr_zgold: of course, I ate it07:51
AStorm(the reason being bad clipping handling)07:51
luke-jr_zgold: on the honest side, no, it works fine07:52
* AStorm fixes that by dumping volume=-6 to canola mplayer config07:52
* GeneralAntilles wonders how Andre adds versions to multiple products.07:53
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luke-jr_ooh I know07:53
luke-jr_if I buy Windows 7 twice, I can install Windows 14!07:53
AStormaf = volume:-6 to be exact07:54
AStormluke-jr_: nice idea07:54
AStormbut it's wrong07:54
AStorm2x 7 = 7 ultimate07:54
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AStormI did07:54
RST38hmoo all07:54
AStormcheck the prices07:54
microlithno no07:54
AStormmake sure to calculate average inflation07:54
microlithit's windows 4907:54
microlithafter all, 7^207:54
AStormRST38h: meeeeeeh ;)07:55
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RST38hheya AStorm, are you going?07:55
AStormgoing where?07:55
RST38hthe summit07:56
AStormhey, I couldn't book the place, for one07:56
AStormfor second, studies07:56
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* luke-jr_ watches nobody be able to make it07:57
* AStorm is going to some other conference later though07:58
AStormthis semester will be hell07:58
RST38hIs this the last one?07:58
AStormnot that it changes anything07:59
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* AStorm is doomed likely anyway - one failed exam just before and no other term to pass it apparently08:00
AStorma group of us will have to force the professor to make another08:00
AStorm(quite large group too)08:01
AStorm(at least 20 people)08:01
AStormthat's why it will be hell08:01
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RST38hbring in the beer!08:05
AStormdoing that every 2 days... have to limit08:05
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RST38hno, you should do it to the professor =)08:06
AStormoh, not that kind :-(08:06
AStormthis is a man who likes his job ;p08:07
AStormand works like a machine08:08
RST38hmore than beer? and does not need oiling too? =)08:08
luke-jr_a broken machine*08:08
AStormnah, when he's at work, he's at work08:08
RST38hAStorm: What is the class subject anyway?08:08
AStormRST38h: control theory08:08
luke-jr_RST38h: "How to make a good pizza"08:08
* RST38h facepalms08:09
RST38hHow fitting.08:09
AStormyes, too fitting08:09
AStormand we're in no position to control the professor08:09
AStormhe triggers oscillations in our transfer functinos08:10
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AStormmy problem is that I suck at math ;p (actually, at simplifying equations)08:14
RST38hWith 20 people failing the exam, he just has to do a reexamination though...08:14
AStormno, has not.08:14
AStormthe next term is in february08:14
AStormBUT that's too late for us08:14
RST38hWhy? There are some hard time limits on graduations?08:15
AStormand we may not be allowed to defend our theses (or whatever they're called)08:15
AStormbecause we haven't passed "everything"08:15
AStormso, yeah08:15
AStormwe're screwed right now08:15
AStormwe'll see how it goes08:16
RST38hIt usually costs an extra semester in the US08:16
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RST38hAnd in Russia they let you take reexamination at the start of the next semester08:16
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AStormRST38h: yes, exactly08:19
AStormhalf a year wasted ;p08:19
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AStormand I don't know whether I'll have to pay for that08:20
AStormas in, money ;p08:20
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AStormoh, right08:22
AStormI won't have to pay... maybe, if the dean allows a leave08:23
AStormwe'll see08:23
RST38hYou can claim being pregnant =)08:24
AStormdamned shall be the faculty for putting such a hard thing on the second to last semester08:24
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AStorm20 people = ~20% of the year08:24
AStorm(a bit more)08:24
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RST38hMeans everything will eventually be all right08:24
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AStormwhere time -> infinity08:25
RST38hNo sane university fails 20% of annual student output08:25
AStormand money -> 008:25
AStormsure they do08:25
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AStormthe failure is not equivalent to being kicked out08:26
AStorm(unless you fail too much)08:26
RST38hAh, then you are ok, just need more money08:26
user__any command in xterm or application for lock and the lock widget and home desktop on my n810 diablotin???08:27
AStormhm, not.08:27
AStormthere's none I think08:27
user__i hope...08:29
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tigertuh, windows 7 ad on radio08:32
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AStormtigert: haha08:59
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JosefAssadum, out of curiosity. What filesystem does maemo use?09:22
Stskeepsn8x0 it was jffs2 on the internal flash, FAT on the sds09:24
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Stskeepson n900 i think ubifs on internal flash, fat, ext2/3 on the sd09:24
ShadowJKwhere internal flash is the 256meg nand09:24
ShadowJKand sd is the internal 32gig thing09:25
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AStormwhy ext3? it's mostly pointless damage to sd09:26
AStormwe need btrfs there ;p09:26
AStormor other log-based or copy-on-write filesystem09:26
JosefAssadah, ok09:26
AStormext2 is ok too, though not as resilient09:26
StskeepsAStorm: you've obviously never had a ext2 completely destroy itself on sd09:26
JosefAssadthanks Stskeeps09:26
AStormStskeeps: sure I had ;p09:26
AStormjust like FAT09:27
AStormthose are old fses09:27
Macerdamn touchbook09:27
Macerwon't wifi tether to my g109:27
Macerpiece of shit09:27
AStormjournalled filesystems are unfortunately death to SD cards/chips09:27
StskeepsMacer: adhoc though09:27
Stskeepssee, it's a normal problem09:27
AStormunless it's a dancing journal or many split journals09:27
Macerbut on this thing even manually didn't work09:28
AStormthe first is reiser4 (ugh, I wouldn't use that)09:28
Macerin mer it did ;)09:28
AStormthe second is xfs09:28
StskeepsMacer: any impressions about the device so far?09:28
Macerwell... it's OK09:28
Macerthe touchscreen sucks09:28
Macerand is very inaccurate09:28
AStormso, from stable filesystems, xfs might be the best choice09:28
JosefAssadso given that ubifs is in the mainline kernel, one would be able to mount a maemo device over a USB cable on a PC, no?09:28
AStormand since we have battery backing laready...09:28
Macerthe defaul tuser thing kind of sucks09:28
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Macerother than that.. it's not bad09:29
Macerbattery life really is good09:29
StskeepsMacer: does it tip?09:29
MacerStskeeps: yes09:29
StskeepsJosefAssad: there's provisions to mount MyDocs over USB09:29
Macerit is top heavy09:29
StskeepsMacer: ah, sucks09:29
Stskeepsneeds a stand09:29
Maceri think they are sending out plastic support tabs09:29
Maceryeah.. that too09:29
JosefAssadStskeeps: ah, now the whole filesystem?09:29
Macerif the tablet had a stand that would be great09:29
infobotJosefAssad meant: Stskeeps: ah, not the whole filesystem?09:29
Macerbut right now the adhoc networking is killing me09:29
* JosefAssad pets infobot 09:29
Macermaybe it's dhcpcd09:30
StskeepsJosefAssad: there's an issue with exporting things over USB, - you can't use the fs at same time09:30
Macerand dhclient will work09:30
JosefAssadStskeeps: Ah, ok. Known thing.09:30
AStormStskeeps: that's because they're using usb gadget module09:30
AStormwhich is... a bit underfeatured09:30
StskeepsAStorm: the guy who wrote omap2-dsp for pulseaudio left the company it seems btw, not sure if i told you :P09:31
AStormoh fork09:31
* JosefAssad supposes sshd on the maemo device and sshfs on the laptop will do the trick09:31
AStormso we now have no working dsp there?09:31
StskeepsAStorm: we have working ALSA but pulseaudio barfs on it09:31
infobotAStorm meant: so we now have no broken dsp there?09:31
Stskeepssomeone needs to sit down and fix the plugin :/09:31
AStorminfobot: NOT WHAT I MEANT! ;p09:32
AStormStskeeps: or rather, fix ALSA support09:32
RST38hSts: I have strong suspicions that in actual Fremantle PulseAudio talks to hw directly09:32
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AStormwhy wouldn't it? they likely have an "omap2-dsp-like" module09:33
AStormunfortunately, audio interface is different enough09:33
AStormso it won't do owners of n8x0 much good09:34
AStormheck, if there was a way to just have a simple mmapped buffer09:34
AStormwith one call to send it to the card09:34
AStormwe'd have the plugin done in no time09:35
AStormunfortunately, n8x0 dsp interface is obscure09:35
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Stskeepsnot really09:47
StskeepsPCM protocol is quite simple09:47
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AStormso why don't we have a working omap2-dsp plugin yet?09:48
* RST38h goes back to basics and writes a SEGA MegaDrive game09:48
StskeepsAStorm: cos noone knows pulse API?09:48
AStormso the plugin itself is ok?09:49
AStormpulse api is trivial (compared to ALSA pcm plugin api)09:49
Stskeepsit is OK but it is broken completely09:49
Stskeepsit just needs a nice hand09:49
AStormbroken how?09:49
AStormlacking an update to 0.9.18?09:49
Stskeepssegfaults after we moved it to new api09:49
AStormoh, so you couldn't port it09:49
AStormhow funnny09:49
* AStorm will fix it09:49
AStormbut, later.09:49
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johnxJaffa: poke09:55
Stskeepslo johnx09:55
johnxgot 15 minutes of wifi09:55
johnxanyone here from jaffa?09:56
Stskeepsjohnx: 11 mins ago he said he was at schipol with rsperberg09:56
Stskeepson twitter09:56
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Stskeeps jaffa2: At Schipol airport with rsperberg and paid for a high-speed supplement we're not going to use #maesum09:57
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aSIMULAteri have my passport, boarding pass and 2 cats in my suitcase09:57
johnxif you see him on IRC, tell him we'll wait here until 9:10 at the delifrance09:58
Stskeepsok, found rm_you?09:59
johnxhere with fiferboy and rm_you09:59
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Stskeepsintending to show up at that bar tonight?10:01
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* Stskeeps verifies he has his mer stickers10:04
Stskeepsjohnx: i'll meet up with lbt and tomaszd and i'll personally be around the hotel at 5pm for a meeting10:06
Stskeeps(arriving at 2pm)10:06
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LoCusFare there any live video feeds from Maemo Summit?10:19
Stskeepsnot sure but it will be recorded10:19
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RST38hSts: As an almost-local, could you tell where and which SIM card should I buy at AMS to get 3-4 days of data access for reasonable fee?10:24
StskeepsRST38h: i'm living in poland and i'm danish, not dutch, so no idea. the others took a 30 EUR Vodafone thing though10:25
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Stskeepsif you find more about it, do tell me10:27
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Addison0Greetings all!  :)10:27
RST38hSts: Got it10:27
RST38hSo Vodafone will run for e30...10:28
Addison0Hey guys, I screwed something up on my tablet and I'm now running two desktops.  Anyone got a moment to help me out?10:28
RST38hit must be a feature =)10:29
Addison0I typed kill hildon-desktop as root in Xterm and I have no idea what to do next.10:29
RST38htry running hildon-desktop now10:29
Addison0Okay RST.10:29
Addison0Wait, what do you mean try running hildon-desktop?10:30
aSIMULAter<Stskeeps> RST38h: i'm living in poland and i'm danish, not dutch, so no idea. <-- lul :P10:30
AStormStskeeps: lol wut10:30
* RST38h naively assumed that all the EU cell phone companies are the same everywhere10:31
StskeepsAStorm: moved to poland last month, warsaw10:31
AStormand we haven't met yet? how... typical? ;p10:32
Stskeepsi'm up for a beer after summit :P10:32
Stskeepsor vodka, for that sake10:32
Stskeepsanyhow, i gotta go to the airport10:32
RST38hwhich reminds me...10:33
Addison0Hey RST38h, I typed hildon-desktop as root and now I have three desktops.  :(10:34
RST38hkillall hildon-desktop10:34
Addison0Don't think I can....  No screen display anymore.  The extra desktop took over everythin.10:35
RST38hJust reboot10:35
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AStormmore desktops10:36
AStormit sounded like his n just grew another screen10:36
Addison0Okay.  I'm back to good again!  Thanks!10:37
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* RST38h sighs10:37
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Addison0Sorry, I rebooted before and I still had two desktops.10:37
Addison0I didn't think that rebooting a second time would do anything different.10:37
tigertooh, new hermes version10:37
* tigert tests10:37
Addison0Thanks RST38h!  :)10:38
RST38hDesign Starting For Matter-Antimatter Collider10:40
RST38h(you know how it will end =))10:40
tigertlotsa birthdays now in addressbook =)10:43
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tigertJaffa: looks like accented chars dont get matche10:52
tigertI have a friend with surname "Isomäki" (a+dots)10:52
tigertand it doesnt get matched10:52
aol_what's wrong with this line? "deb fremantle/extras-devel free non-free"10:53
tigertshould be just fremantle10:54
tigertdeb fremantle free non-free10:55
tigertJaffa: another case I found is where a persons name was just in nickname field10:57
tigertI wonder if it came from my N95 when I synced contacts from there10:57
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tigertso it didnt match Nickname: John Doe - I wonder how common those cases are and how they happen10:58
suihkulokkitigert: appears to come from gtalk contacts10:59
tigertah right10:59
* tigert would love a swiss army utility tool for contacts :)11:00
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aol_has anyone been successful in getting Qt to use OpenGL ES 2 in x86 target ?11:15
aol_seems like the x86 tries to use opengl 111:15
LoCusFwhere does the fennec beta 4 save its downloaded files?11:15
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PavlovMyDocs/.documents, iirc11:16
LoCusFthanks, that it was :)11:17
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aol_just define QT_OPENGL_ES_2 ?11:17
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aol_Ok it compiles with define QT_OPENGL_ES_2, but I can't see the OpenGL ES2 stuff on xephyr for reason or another :(11:22
Pavlovhow is amsterdam today?11:23
brbrbrsmoky ? :)11:24
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Macerntpd support  is not installed?12:18
Macerwtf kind of crap is that? :)12:18
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tigertin N900?12:25
fralsshould be possible to compile it and launch it from commandline?12:26
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koala_mantigert: omg, awesome12:29
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Maceri'm just happy the damn thing decided it wanted to work with my phone otherwise i'd be kind of pissed :)12:35
Macerthat would suck12:35
Macerplays video great12:35
Macerdoes a little light compositing12:35
Macerlike true transparent terminals12:35
Macerit isn't half bad12:36
Maceronce i figure out the easiest way to add an actual user to it12:36
Macerit will be a lot better12:36
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wazdheya everyone12:44
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ensiyou guys know about EBook? i get a static list of contacts with e_book_query_any_field_contains("") and i get the list fine12:45
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ensiso what does the list contain? I tried casting the objects in the list to EContact* but this doesnt work. But do I have to do some kind of g_object cast?12:46
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adeusif you query they should be EContact*:s12:47
ensiok let me double check my code12:48
adeusebook object, equery object, and then econtact12:48
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juke_is n900 support w3C geolocation api ?12:51
user_hi all, can the n810 play hd youtube using mplayer + mytube?12:51
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Khertan_Hi !12:52
ensiadeus: hmm so i have EBookContact* contact = (EBookContact*)g_list_nth(list, index);12:53
Khertan_No one have made yet a google calendar of the schedule ? or maybe a ics ?12:53
Khertan_i mean of the maemo summit12:53
adeusensi, pastebin12:53
ensiadeus: doing g_object_get(contact, "some-property", &prop, NULL); prints a glib warning in the terminal12:53
ensi"GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' faile"12:53
ensiadeus: no can do12:54
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adeusthe ebook opens properly?12:55
ensii get the list and it has the size expected12:56
ensii have osso_init, osso_abook_init, e_book_blabla_new_system_addressbook and e_book_open no problems12:56
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adeusI've just used ebook_get_contacts12:58
adeuswhich returns a glist12:58
ensiyes thats what i use12:58
ensiwith a EBookQuery12:59
adeusthen g_contact = (EContact*)(g_contacts->data);12:59
user_not sure if something is wrong with my 81012:59
ensiadeus: its not working of course the cast succeeds but glib says the contact is not a g object13:02
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adeusa shortshort example13:06
adeusif that doesn't work, then there might be something else wrong than the ebook code..13:06
adeusand I have no idea if this is different in fremantle13:07
ensii think the problem is that im trying to access the properties with g_object_get13:08
ensialthough imho a EContact is a also a gobject13:09
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ensiheh no i get13:11
ensi libebook - e_contact_get: assertion `contact && E_IS_CONTACT (contact)' failed13:11
adeusdon't worry, I also head some serious head aches even with that a while back :)13:12
adeusfor example the osso libs won't compile with c++13:13
ensiyeah i discovered this few days ago13:13
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ensihmm dunno13:16
ensii'm at my wits end13:16
ensinokia seems to continue where they left off with symbian13:16
ensii.e. doing dev for their phones means asking for pain13:17
adeuswell ebook is gnome stuff13:17
ensiyeah it is13:17
ensibut lib-osso-book (which is very badly documented imho) and *should* be used instead of libebook comes from nokia13:17
adeusthere's a document to it? :)13:18
adeusI think I gave up immediately when I saw some enums used c-style13:19
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ensiaw fucks sake13:26
ensii think i got the problem now13:26
ensig_list_nth doesn't return the object at that index but the f*n list itself13:26
ensithats it113:27
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RST38hehlo all13:49
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wazdRST38h: heya14:29
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ensidoes this ring a bell "Error: bad instruction `decl [r2,#0]'"14:46
ensibuilding a qt application14:46
ensicompiles ok when target is FREMANTLE_x8614:46
ensijust when changing the target to FREMANTLE_ARMEL it barfs14:46
adeusis your arm version correct14:47
adeusaka the cross compiler version14:47
Dantonicanyone here boot from flash?14:48
Dantonicfrom SD card I mean14:48
ensi gcc --version14:48
ensisbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.2.114:48
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adeusjust looking at the error it looks like it's creating code for the wrong arm14:49
Dantonichow do I unmount my mmc2 card? when I use:  "sudo umount /media/mmc2" I get am error "Device or resource busy"14:51
adeusis someone using it?14:53
adeussudo fuser /media/mmc214:53
Dantonicadeus, that command returns nothing14:55
Dantonicjust goeas to another prompt14:55
Dantonicdoes that mean no one is using it?14:55
adeuswell, yes14:56
adeusasuming the command works14:56
adeuslsof lists file handles, maybe grep that list  as well14:56
Dantonicbasically I just want to re-copy the os that I have on the N800s flash memory, my original installation, back onto the SD card.  my current installation became corrupt or something14:57
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Dantonicwell I'll try in the morning15:01
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Anonymous# Appears as TIKI15:11
Anonymous(#G010E210M1) SOUND Flourish.mid 15:12
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ccookewow, not seen *that* abomination in a while15:12
suihkulokkiit is still possible to download ms comic chat from somewhere? :-o15:13
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ccookesuihkulokki: that is not dead that can eternal linger on abandoned app sites15:14
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dimirWhat the fsck was that? Some MSN extension or what?15:21
ccookems comic chat15:21
ccookego look it up if you have the SAN points to spare15:21
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Shapeshiftermhhh. I did something in my C code and now, at some point all my buttons don't un-press anymore (they remain pressed) and there's lots of runtime errors like GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed15:25
Shapeshifterany clues from this vague description? >.>15:25
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ShapeshifterIn my main function, I connect a button click to another function and I pass a struct as Data, with one of the members being the pointer to the main window, and another member being a pointer to a CURL *curl. I need the main window pointer because the function called from main displays a banner. This part seems to work without problems. But then if I do info->curl = login_to_site(info->curl); in the function (login_to_site returning a ...15:39
Shapeshifter... *curl), gtk craps out and loses touch to the button or something. The button remains clicked and doesn't react anymore. the rest of the app continues working.15:39
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Shapeshifterok, it seems like the crap out happens as soon as the subfunction does curl = curl_easy_init();15:42
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Shapeshifterreally weird15:42
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Maceri think i'm about to give up on this touchbook unless i can find another WORKING os for it16:32
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clmntchi need to find a way to get rid of all of these part/join messages17:07
timelesswhat irc client17:08
timelessyou typically want "conference" mode17:08
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clmntchi found it17:09
Macerthis damn touchbook seems fail17:10
clmntchi'm using irssi17:10
Macerat least the os does17:10
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timeless/ignore * join part17:14
timelessseems to work17:14
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mtcis there an IRC channel for the summit?17:17
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mtcwill the talks be recorded and where can we find them online?17:17
mtcor better - any plans to do live streaming?17:18
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mtcam reading the maemo wiki - but not seeing specifics17:18
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clmntchhrm that didn't work17:20
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Myrttiahihihi the community mailing list just *CRACKS* me up17:28
zaheermi tried to install python-hildon in fremantle final sdk with apt-get for x86 target17:28
zaheermand it doesn't exist17:28
zaheermis it in a different repo to normal?17:28
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lizardozaheerm: it should have been there , do you have extras-devel in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?17:29
zaheermlizardo, nope17:30
JaffaAf'noon from Amsterdam17:31
zaheermJaffa, is it cold?17:31
zaheermmy flight gets there tomorrow morning17:31
SpeedEvilJaffa: Afternoon!17:31
Jaffazaheerm: It's warm in the sun, but cool breeze17:32
zaheermJaffa, great to hear the sun is out17:32
Jaffatigert: Improving both of those issues should b pssible17:32
lizardozaheerm: well, you need it ;)17:33
zaheermlizardo, thx am adding it now17:33
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mtcfor anyone in the USA unable to make the summit, there is a GNOME Summit in Boston at MIT this weekend17:37
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Captain_Picardis the releasedate out YET?!17:39
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* wazd is too dumb to install SDK :(17:42
* timeless still needs a place to crash17:42
timelesssomeone mentioned someone a while ago17:42
timelessis everyone basically staying downtown and using transit to get to the event?17:43
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timelesswazd, stick to mer ;)17:44
wazdtimeless: hah :)17:44
wazdtimeless: somehow scratchbox instalation script does nothing17:44
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wazdit says "everything is OK" and exits17:45
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wazdtimeless: well, I have lots of stuff to do in both fields :)17:47
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timelessi have a list of things from fremantle that need replacing :)17:51
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wazdtimeless: I'm graphics only guy :)17:52
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user_where is the ultimate patch for drag lock home applet???18:10
HoneymanHi all. After some playing with Fremantle SDK (yes I know, sounds silly), some widgets lost their textual representation; for example, the time widget now displays "wdgt_va_24h_time". Maybe, it is the only clock widget who is broken, as the other interface seems good. Seems like only the translation is broken. Any hint which files could be affected/what package could be reinstalled, or something?18:14
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user_where is the ultimate patch for drag lock home applet??? please18:17
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toggles_wuser_: ?18:28
user_yes i find the 3 files...but nothing can be installed have a tricks?18:28
toggles_wnope, sorry18:29
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HoxzerTotal of 354 nicks <- wow O_O18:36
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HoxzerDo you guys believe that android has any way of competing with maemo when it comes to third party drivers and software ?18:37
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SpeedEvilTime will tell18:38
SpeedEvilAsk again in 2012.18:38
Hoxzerwell, they both have been released18:38
SpeedEvilMaemo 5 hasn't.18:39
SpeedEvilwell - released to users18:39
SpeedEvilCompare the number of available android apps, and maemo5.18:39
SpeedEvilandroid wins totally at the moment18:39
HoxzerPersonally I see maemo as a lot more linux desktop a like than android. For example android is lacking GNU C libary and seems to have no direct ports from linux desktop machines18:39
SpeedEvilAnd what do you mean by drivers?18:39
HoxzerSpeedEvil: well. For example fuse18:40
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GeneralAntillesYes, Maemo is more or less regular old Linux.18:40
SpeedEvilYou can use any - in principle - linux software.18:40
SpeedEvilyou may need to port it to get it to display sanely - and get it looking pretty.18:40
Hoxzerok, so I can basically run irssi locally ?18:41
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SpeedEvilOr BitchX, or .....18:41
SpeedEvilyou can even let other people ssh in and use their own copy of irssi18:41
HoxzerI'm telling you. this is too awsome. Wonder if Su8w keyboard will be supported out of the box18:41
SpeedEvilIt is very awesome.18:41
HoxzerSpeedEvil: bluetooth keyboard made by nokia18:41
SpeedEvilI disagree it's too awesome.18:42
GeneralAntillesNokia's being weird about Bluetooth keyboards in Maemo 5.18:42
GeneralAntillesFor some reason they seem to have decided they're no longer a valid use-case.18:42
GeneralAntillesand removed official support18:42
GeneralAntillesThe Bluetooth stack is just BlueZ, though, so it's not really a real issue.18:43
* SpeedEvil stabs random marketoid decisions.18:43
HoxzerWell, I guess it is possible for community to program drivers for it O_o18:43
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, the whole "let's kill all of the ctrl shortcuts and make the arrow keys not work in random places" thing is their fault, too.18:43
GeneralAntillesHoxzer, like I said, it's just BlueZ.18:43
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GeneralAntillesOne of the BlueZ devs has a talk at the Summit about just that.18:43
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SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: Same philosophy that removed find next/last from / searching on firefox.18:44
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, ctrl-l would make a fantastic shortcut in the browser for entering a URL when you're in fullscreen.18:44
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GeneralAntillesBut, nooooo, we can't have that.18:44
GeneralAntillesYou can't even use the arrow keys on the awesome bar.18:44
SpeedEvilIs there live streaming of the summit?18:44
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GeneralAntillesWhat's more fun is that the enter key is actually KP_Enter18:45
GeneralAntillesSo typing things in on the SDK is super fun. :D18:45
GeneralAntillesDunno that there'll be bandwidth for live streaming18:45
GeneralAntillesIt should all be being recorded, however.18:45
GeneralAntillesand there'll probably be live IRC transcripts for most stuff. ;)18:45
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zaheermis it possible to write transparent desktop widgets?18:46
SpeedEvilthe OSM conference was good that way - live streaming mostly worked18:46
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zaheermi ported an app i wrote from gnome to be a desktop widget in fremantle, but it lost its transparency behaviour18:47
GeneralAntilleszaheerm, sure.18:47
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zaheermit doesn't help that i can't see documentation of HildonHomePluginItem18:48
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GeneralAntilleszaheerm, I'm unable to recall off-hand what the exact procedure is, but this may help:
GeneralAntillesMaybe this more specifically:
GeneralAntillesYou may also want to take a look at this:
zaheermGeneralAntilles, thx a lot!18:50
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wazdFFFFFUUUU ALLL!!!!18:55
wazdI mean heya18:55
qwerty12SUCK MY BALLS18:56
qwerty12Erm, I mean hi18:56
wazdqwerty12: common typo :D18:56
qwerty12Yeah, I mean, the keys are so near each other. WTF? :p18:56
GeneralAntillesReenacting quotes is NOT COOL.18:57
qwerty12GeneralAntilles == not cool18:57
qwerty12Go piss off to one of Florida's many swamp pits. :p18:58
wazdGeneralAntilles: you seriously think that I've read whole zillion of quotes? You're right :D18:59
* qwerty12 admits to the same crime as wazd :(18:59
GeneralAntillesI have a friend whose freshman roommate narrated most of them to him over the course of a semester.18:59
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wazdGeneralAntilles: oh my :)19:00
wazdGeneralAntilles: in voice-over? :D19:00
qwerty12Thank God this was an narration and not a reenactment19:00
* GeneralAntilles chuckles at the lack of Thanks on Talk.19:01
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles: If you need some more laughs, I can remove my Thanks from your posts19:01
wazdnew SDK doesn't like me :(19:01
wazdscratchbox install file does nothing19:02
qwerty12wazd: elaborate, please :p19:03
* SpeedEvil gets out his wizard robe and hat.19:03
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qwerty12SpeedEvil: Role-play? You want #cybersex...19:04
GeneralAntilleswazd, isn't the VMWare image out yet?19:04
wazdGeneralAntilles: I saw Quim posted bout it but there's none on it's homepage19:04
* qwerty12 laughs at all you people wanting VMware images. Installing Xubuntu and the SDK only took an hour in VMware19:05
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's what I did.19:05
wazdqwerty12: fffuuuuu :D19:05
GeneralAntilleswazd, what are you installing on?19:05
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wazdGeneralAntilles: VMWare ubuntu19:05
GeneralAntillesWhat's the trouble?19:05
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wazdqwerty12: You'll take centiry to draw 64x64 icon :P19:05
qwerty12I can draw a circle!19:06
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qwerty12mspaint FTW19:06
wazdI follow installation instructions19:06
GeneralAntilleswazd, OK, pastebin the error. :P19:06
wazd <- that one19:07
wazdGeneralAntilles: wait a sec19:08
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uwazd"What do you want from meeee?!!!!" cry not helped :)19:10
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GeneralAntillesuwazd, lines 29-33 you'll want to follow.19:11
uwazdIt does something! :D19:12
uwazdGeneralAntilles: have you solved your documents problems?19:13
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GeneralAntillesuwazd, inasmuch as my passport is getting here Monday. <_<19:13
uwazdGeneralAntilles: :(19:13
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qwerty12GeneralAntilles: Use the passport to buy some nukes from another country and utilize it against the pricks who fucked up19:14
qwerty12*the nukes19:14
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, sadly that wont get me to the Summit this year. :(19:14
qwerty12Gah, I can't type for shit19:14
uwazdqwerty12: easy to say for a person without any passport :D19:15
qwerty12True :(19:15
qwerty12uwazd: Yes, but not having a passport is my fault :p19:15
uwazdGeneralAntilles: well, I hope there will be some another event during first half of next year so we can partici[ate :)19:15
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uwazdqwerty12: if you won't be ready before it - I'll say my friend Roman to take care of you :D19:16
GeneralAntillesAt the very least I'm planning on trying to arrange a meetup in Canada in the March/April/May timeframe.19:17
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qwerty12uwazd: :D19:17
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panaggiowill maesum have any official video streaming channel or something?19:20
uwazdpanaggio: only dove mail19:21
uwazdpanaggio: I think not19:21
uwazdpanaggio: cause there will be a lot of stuff going on same time19:21
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Corsachhmh, is “maemo sdk+” a viable solution for maemo 5 sdk?19:23
panaggiouwazd: (*may be a dumb question) what's dove mail?19:24
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wazdpanaggio: same as pigeon :)19:25
CorsacFailed to fetch  404  Not Found19:27
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panaggiouwazd: dove mail == pigeon post? (probably it's still a dumb question)19:28
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wazdpanaggio: dude :D19:29
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wazdpanaggio: btw, I think there will be IRC casts19:30
panaggiowazd: better than nothing =)19:31
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mtcis there a specific microblogging tag that is being used for the summit?19:32
panaggiomtc: #maesum19:32
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HoneymanMaybe I am missing something, but seems like if you are building a python extension (Architecture: any) for Fremantle and use cdbs, there is a bug in Fremantle cdbs (=0.4.52-maemo2) which calls the system default Python (2.3)) even for building scripts which require higher Python version (XS-Python-Version: >= 2.4)19:38
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qwerty12CDBS is a bug19:38
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Honeymanqwerty12:  We need to persuade Numpy authors19:39
qwerty12Not sure how to do it properly in CDBS without wanting to kill yourself, but get it to invoke python2.5 directly (scratchbox redirects python to its own internal version)19:39
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HoneymanI am trying to port Numpy to Maemo.19:40
HoneymanMostly succeeded. If I create a temporary redirect from "python" to python2.519:40
wazd_is youtube down?19:40
HoneymanBut I bet one shouldn't do that in a proper package, should one?19:41
Honeymanwazd: Up for me19:41
qwerty12Honeyman: Don't worry, Scratchbox is far from perfect...19:41
wazdHoneyman: hmmm19:41
GeneralAntilleswazd, I read that as "IRC castes" for some reason.19:41
Honeymanqwerty12: hey...19:42
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Honeymando you mean that in proper Fremantle, there will be python2.5 as a default?19:42
wazdGeneralAntilles: why not :D19:42
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qwerty12Honeyman: Not by default, no, but you will be able to install it on a device and have /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5 because there is no scratchbox to annoy19:43
qwerty12Honeyman: In some CDBS packages, I've used the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE to tell it to stop redirecting python, but I've also had to play with $PATH because the folder in which scratchbox's Python resides appears before /usr/bin/19:44
infobotqwerty12 meant: Honeyman: In some CDBS packages, I've used the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE variable to tell it to stop redirecting python, but I've also had to play with $PATH because the folder in which scratchbox's Python resides appears before /usr/bin/19:44
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GeneralAntilleswazd, you can be our first untouchable. :P19:46
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qwerty12Red Pill mode FTW19:48
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Honeymanqwerty12: that is, it is possible that it doesn't build on my scratchbox but perfectly builds on autobuilder, isn't it?19:50
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angasuleWorkhmm, the user list is rather large for irssi heh19:51
qwerty12Honeyman: Well, the Autobuilder uses Scratchbox too...19:51
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Honeymanqwerty12: then... I don't know :( Can we play with the PATH right in the debian/rules?19:54
qwerty12Honeyman: I do it like this:
wazd_oh, it's done!19:55
HoneymanBut that doesn't help too. /scratchbox/tools/bin/python is 2.3, but /usr/bin/python is 2.3 too19:55
qwerty12/usr/bin/python is being redirected to /scratchbox/tools/bin/python19:56
Honeymanqwerty12: by the scratchbox means?19:57
qwerty12If you've got the python2.5 package installed, export those variables in Scratchbox at the shell and notice the /usr/bin/python version then19:57
HoneymanO_o how do they do that? I just realized it.19:57
Honeymanls -la /usr/bin/python gives /usr/bin/python -> python2.5, but /usr/bin/python gives python2.319:58
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Honeymanqwerty12: thanks a lot. The package seems building with little to none changes from the Debian one.20:00
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clmntchis there going to be some sort of composite manager on fremantle?20:01
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Corsachmhm, in the scratchbox tools, which part exactly are opensource?20:07
Corsacrah, scratchbox-1.0.17.tar.gz has a debian/ folder but it's just unusable20:08
Corsacno way anyone can build something with it20:08
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HoneymanAnybody has an idea where one can find /usr/share/python/ in Fremantle? Or if is there any page for the repositories, where you can search a package for a file.20:12
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HoneymanIn Debian, it goes in "python" package20:13
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HoneymanAnyone occasionally have the /usr/share/python/ installed? If so, from what package does it go?20:22
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rm_youStskeeps: yo?20:23
rm_youJaffa: yo?20:24
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rm_youanyone in amsterdam: yo?20:24
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wazd_I'm 1 step away from seing maemo 520:25
qwerty12rm_you: Everyone in Amsterdam is either in a coffee shop or the other areas of the Red Light District. So, I'd look there first...20:25 start <- command not found20:25
rm_youso.... where do we go to find them?20:26
qwerty12wazd_: add maemo-binaries repository and apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps20:26
rm_youwhat coffee shop20:26
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* qwerty12 should've added an "I'm taking the piss, I'm a prick" tag20:27
wazd_qwerty12it says "couldn't find package20:27
wazd_let the vandersexxx begin!20:27
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GeneralAntillesWoo, my passport is here!20:28
* GeneralAntilles slow clap.20:28
qwerty12wazd: "Until we hear the safe word, we will not stop."20:28
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wazd_qwerty12 what sould I do to make it find packages? :)20:29
wazd_GeneralAntilles: you still have the time to pack your bags :D20:29
qwerty12wazd: A sec, looking for the goddam link...20:29
GeneralAntilleswazd, slot's been taken, room's been taken, tickets are cancelled.20:30
qwerty12wazd: Accept it, add the repository and then fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps20:30
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wazd_GeneralAntilles: bad luck :(20:32
microlithI like that tag :D20:32
GeneralAntillesOnly 28 hours too late.20:32
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wazd_qwerty12: quick manual for vi? :D20:33
rm_yousomeone help me find the name of the coffe shop where people are20:34
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qwerty12wazd_: I barely know it myself... 'i' in the keyboard to go into insert mode, Escape to get out of it, and Shift-ZZ to quit and save20:35
rm_youqwerty12: ? :)20:35
wazd_qwerty12: nm, already found it :)20:35
qwerty12rm_you: Sorry, I was taking the piss.. Tried Twitter? :)20:35
GeneralAntilleswazd, the one that's built-in.20:36
GeneralAntillesrm_you, people where mentioning a park in the mailing list.20:36
rm_youon n800. assistance appreciated? :)20:36
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cz8shi, can anybody tell me if i can mirror ? and how ?20:39
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wazd_still command not found20:43
qwerty12wazd_: OK, after saving the new sources.list, did you apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps ?20:44
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rm_youalright, cant figure  out where people are... heading back to hotel lobby in hopes of finding someone eldse more in-the-loop than myself20:46
wazd_qwerty12: all ok, slow but it's running :)20:48
GeneralAntillesrm_you, qole should be online.20:49
rm_youhrm, my AIM isnt workin20:49
rm_youand he doesnt irc20:49
* pupnik is excited for tomorrow20:50
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wazd_weeee :)20:50
pupnikcz8s, google: mirror debian repository20:51
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pupnikor "how do i download the internet?"20:52
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qwerty12wazd: Drink some vodka, or something, and pretend it's fast :p20:53
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wirelessdreameris scratchbox supposed to provide an interface just like on the n900? When I run it with the x emulator I just get a destop backgroup, and no widgets like are in the demo videos.20:54
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wazd_and it has strange color glithces :)20:56
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GeneralAntilleswirelessdreamer, it's not an emulator, no.20:58
GeneralAntilleswirelessdreamer, but it's a close approximation.20:58
GeneralAntilleswirelessdreamer, you can add more desktop widgets.20:58
lopzhi ;)20:58
Flyser_wirelessdreamer: are you using the 5.0 final sdk? afaik the beta sdk provides nothing but a background21:00
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wazd_oops, it crashed :)21:04
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MaSuwould someone know what processes are executed when plugging in a camera in a N810?21:08
wirelessdreamerFlyser_: I'm using the beta sdk21:08
wirelessdreamerI haven't seen a final sdk, is it official?21:08
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* JosefAssad who has never pre-ordered anything just pre-ordered an N90021:14
qwerty12Will it be first time unlucky? :p21:16
* luke-jr_ doesn't get why people pre-order anything.21:16
qwerty12Same, I'm not really into pre-ordering myself21:16
luke-jr_why not just wait until the day it's available for ordering?21:17
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JosefAssadqwerty12: mostly because this way I am spared the agony of debating the investment when I know that I'll just end up buying it anyhow21:19
qwerty12do-or-die :p21:20
JosefAssadpretty much. :)21:21
luke-jr_JosefAssad: fail21:21
JosefAssadluke-jr_: wouldn't be my first fail, but why?21:22
ShadowJKplus you're likely to get it a few weeks before it has good availabilty21:22
luke-jr_now you have no leverage21:22
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luke-jr_now you're paying $$$ for a device that inevitably Nokia still owns21:23
luke-jr_because it's closed21:23
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acouto_hi all... where can i find the diferent between liblocation and gpsbt,gps.h? because im not understanting21:23
* luke-jr_ sees the "err, who cares? I use Windows too" look on JosefAssad's face.21:24
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JosefAssadluke-jr_: well when you release your open hardware open software phone you can also have my money. Until then, this is the best attempt I've seen at converging a phone and a computer without fettering developers.21:25
ShapeshifterI can't seem to find a guide on how to upgrade the SDK from latest beta to final on a non-debian host...21:25
Shapeshifterany clues?21:25
luke-jr_JosefAssad: open hardware is beyond grasp for now. I just want open software.21:25
* microlith sees luke-jr_ go full zealot and drive more people away21:26
luke-jr_microlith: I'm not even half way to full zealot21:26
luke-jr_I'm tolerating closed hardware and firmware21:26
luke-jr_just insist on software being open21:26
JosefAssadok, well I won't feed the troll. I'm still happy this thing's coming out.21:27
* luke-jr_ is more likely to get a Pandora21:27
luke-jr_or HTC Touch Pro2, if those guys ever get it running Linux21:28
GeneralAntillesJosefAssad, sorry about the trolls. ;)21:28
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ShadowJKthe "X is not open so I'm going to get the more closed Y instead" argument all over :)21:29
luke-jr_ShadowJK: I don't care how it ships, as long as it's open when I'm using it.21:29
JosefAssadShadowJK: X isn't open? /me aptitude removes xorg21:29
luke-jr_Why do device makers think people want some custom proprietary OS?21:30
luke-jr_they should just provide the (open) drivers to support existing OS21:30
luke-jr_then I can run Gentoo, you run Ubuntu, and JosefAssad run Windows CE21:30
* luke-jr_ runs21:30
GeneralAntillesWhy do zealots think anything but a very small minority cares about fully open hardware and software?21:30
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ShadowJKatleast phonet (or was it fonet?) is open and in mainline kernel :)21:31
JosefAssadGeneralAntilles: As an enterprise open source advocate, my skin is troll-hardened. :)21:31
luke-jr_GeneralAntilles: you're putting words in my mouth again21:31
luke-jr_GeneralAntilles: I have no qualm with closed hardware (yet)21:31
wirelessdreamerqwerty12: thanks for the link21:31
luke-jr_and Macer can run his Solaris or whatever21:31
SpeedEvilCan I run DOS?21:32
luke-jr_but good luck finding ARM DOS apps21:32
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ShadowJKand a bios that runs on arm..21:33
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wirelessdreameranyone know what the talk at maemo work by the people from blender is on?21:36
wirelessdreamerI'd love to hear a blender package with game engine and python support runs on the n900 =)21:36
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wirelessdreamerbrain fart :)21:36
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JosefAssadI'd love to have a blender that can import Collada :/21:37
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wirelessdreamerthe official sdk installer seems busted its trying to get the gpg key . . which doesn't exist on that server21:37
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timeless,away summer vacation: @train(prague), amsterdam22:15
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kynkyis it really easy to make all traffic in maemo go through a vpn ? just asking as prob gonna get a n900 with tmobile uk, but in fair usage policy, not allowed to use istant messaging apps or watch any internet videos (ala youtube etc)22:17
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SpeedEvilkynky: I am unsure if it will do that. However - it's a linux system. You have root.22:21
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SpeedEvilIt would be a good thing to add.22:21
kynkywelli know linux pretty well, so guess should be easy todo22:21
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kynkyso that [rob answers my next question, of when roaming,  want to turn of data 3g, as will be expensive when abroad, but still want to recieve txt messages, guess its aknowing linux answer, or just ring mobile company and ask the to turn off data services on my account, while im on holiday22:23
GeneralAntillesI'd really love to see a polished set of DE enhancements nice Maemo's UI team seems dead set against usability in favor of simplification.22:24
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wazd <- sick :D22:30
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Shapeshifter here are some code segments of my app, just the main structure of it with most parts missing. My problem is that in line 18, info->logged_in seems to be neither TRUE nor FALSE and I don't understand why. I set it to FALSE in line 38 and pass the pointer to the struct in the connect in line 42. I don't get it...22:31
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WoollyShapeshifter: would info->logged_in not give you the pointer to logged_in, rather than the value of logged_in?22:33
qwerty12_N810Shapeshifter: The first argument of your callback signature should be the button you're passing, I belive22:33
Shapeshifterqwerty12_N810: the button is not the problem. it works. banner appears if I put it outside of the if statement etc.22:34
ShapeshifterWoolly: logged_in in the struct is not a pointer...22:34
Shapeshifterinfo->logged_in should be the value of it22:35
Shapeshifterjust as info->window is the pointer "*window", no?22:35
WoollyI suppose. My C knowledge has never been particularly good :D22:36
JosefAssadIs this the right starting point in general for someone interested in getting started with maemo 5 development?22:37
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microlithShapeshifter: don't statically declare one SharedInfo then a pointer, just create *infoStruct and allocate the memory22:39
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BluesLeecan someone explain me what " start" should do? i get only advertisement:-)22:43
Firebirdhm, native gtk code is automatically styled with hildon? (maemo5)22:43
GeneralAntillesBluesLee, did you start Zephyr from a regular xterm?22:44
BluesLeehow do i strat the canedar for instance?22:44
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: yes22:44
GeneralAntillesDid you export the display variable in scratchbox?22:45
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: yes22:45
GeneralAntillesAre you getting a desktop?22:45
* GeneralAntilles isn't sure what you mean by "advertisements".22:45
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: i also get something in xepyr but it looks like advertisment, flickr, youtube, ovi ...22:46
GeneralAntillesBluesLee, those are desktop bookmarks.22:46
GeneralAntillesBluesLee, did you install nokia-apps?22:46
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BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: step 7 with eula... yes22:46
GeneralAntillesBluesLee, OK, click the little blue icon in the upper left corner.22:47
* GeneralAntilles is asking all of the wrong questions. ;)22:47
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: i use this
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: i see, there are  no icons there but there is interaction22:48
GeneralAntillesNo icons when you bring up the applications menu?22:48
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: one moment, i will make a screenie22:48
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GeneralAntillesMaybe a driver issue?22:50
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: hmm, if i click on the top i get the youtube webpage for a second or so22:51
BluesLeei will retry it22:51
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BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: its starts with a little twitter box in th eleft corner22:54
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BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: clicking on it gives me the posted screen22:55
Dantonichey, mu installation has become corrupt, I want to copy my original installation located on the N800s flash memory to the SD card I currently boot from, can I do this without having to reflash the whole thing?22:55
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DantonicI'm trying by just booting from the flash, and trying to repartition/format the mmc2 card, but it wont let me umount it, says it is busy...22:57
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BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: i get messages like Xlib:  extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":2.0".22:58
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Dantoniccannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy  :(23:03
wirelessdreamerdirectory permissions are messed up on It doesn't allow directory listing, so the sdk installer won't run, because it needs a gpg key from there23:03
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Dantonichow do I make it unbusy? :P23:04
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javispedrothere must be a scientific theory behind the "why does lardman still apear on frontpage" question.23:15
GeneralAntillesBecause he's a badass motherfucker.23:16
javispedrohardly scientific :P23:17
javispedrobut I get the hint :D23:17
qwerty12_N810He's been doing "favours" for X-Fade23:17
GeneralAntillesI was going to say "Niels in love."23:17
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javispedroeven tho if Niels was in love with him I would've expected more.23:17
javispedrolike "free pass" to extras-stable.23:18
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javispedro"Go directly to extras. Do not pass extras-testing. Do not collect 10 karma points."23:20
GeneralAntillesThat would be too obvious.23:21
qwerty12_N810"Niels: Then come back to me"23:21
qwerty12_N810Man, X-Fade is gonna kill me23:21
javispedro... finally. :)23:21
qwerty12_N810I, er, don't know how to respond to that. I'll go cry23:22
GeneralAntillesGood choice.23:23
* javispedro goes to read his daily intake of tmo and maemo fansites idiocracy.23:24
GeneralAntillesIt's like cocaine.23:24
GeneralAntillesYou know it's bad for you but the rush is too hard to pass up. :P23:24
qwerty12_N810I heard the worst of them all was
javispedroqwerty12_N810: there was a time I didn't know what to put there, and thus that domain spent nearly 5 years showing my "Hello World" PHP page.23:25
javispedroawwwww my favourite idiocratic site is already down.23:26
qwerty12_N810Meh, I just use any space I have as a file dump23:26
BluesLeethe sdk is boring ...23:26
GAN800Man, that guy really love SNES23:26
javispedroGAN800: I know who you are. Your nick hiding tricks don't work with me!23:27
qwerty12_N810javispedro <-- cyber-stalker23:27
BluesLeelooks like a have a problem with xephyr23:27
* GAN800 wraps his cape over his face and runs into the shadows.23:27
javispedroThe SDK is meant to allow development, not to act as a drool receptacle.23:27
qwerty12_N810GAN800: Don't go near any bushes!23:27
BluesLeejavispedro: just a joke ...23:28
GAN800BluesLee, clearly an opportunity for you to fill it with sweet applications. ;)23:28
BluesLeejavispedro: i will find the problem and eliminate it23:28
javispedroBluesLee: don't worry, in fact I drooled over it for quite a few hours hehe23:28
BluesLeeGAN800: i am not a developer, i just wanted to see what i will get in some weeks/months23:29
GeneralAntillesBluesLee, the SDK isn't a great demo, unfortunately.23:30
GeneralAntillesMuch better than previous versions of Maemo, but still not quite like the real deal.23:30
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: it looks okay for me
qwerty12_N810BluesLee: Now look at an N900 review :p23:31
BluesLeeGeneralAntilles: its better than other solutions i saw on other devices23:31
BluesLeeqwerty12_N810: i read all of them;-)23:31
AnunakinHi guys, I just finished port of Project Diaspora (MMO Game) for N8x0 ... Im doing more tests ... you can look at shoots here
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javispedroso, on which TV network I can watch the latest developments in the summit?23:52
Stskeepsmoo beer23:52
javispedrohello Sts23:52
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: Cows are ordinarily milked for milk, but as you wish...23:53
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Stskeepsjavispedro: people mostly registered and then crashed a bar23:54
javispedroah, and they found the beer cows there. =)23:55
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