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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: hildon-home; src/hd-change-background-dialog.c | 00:01 |
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| javispedro | ah, hildon-home | 00:01 |
| javispedro | they were split? | 00:01 |
| javispedro | ta qwerty12_N810! | 00:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | NP, being able to look at strings helps... | 00:01 |
| Macer | hm | 00:02 |
| Macer | i sure hope this touchbook isn't stuck with this "ai" default user | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yes, thank goodness. | 00:02 |
| Macer | that would suck | 00:02 |
| Macer | heh | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, reinstall Ubuntu? | 00:02 |
| Macer | reinstall ubuntu? | 00:03 |
| Macer | it's running a modded angstrom | 00:03 |
| Macer | i wanted to try out their stock stuff first | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right. | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, reinstall that. :P | 00:04 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: so, it will read desktop files from /usr/share/backgrounds | 00:04 |
| Macer | re-install it? | 00:04 |
| Macer | haha | 00:04 |
| Macer | i dn't think that would work out too well | 00:04 |
| Macer | THERE'S ALWAYS MER! | 00:04 |
| Macer | lol | 00:04 |
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| Macer | not to throw this out there. but the touchbook was announced some time in march and they already seem to have a pretty workable xfce interface running on an arm platform :) | 00:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, excellent. | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, Ångstrom has been around for a long time. | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Their upstream isn't filled with closed-source components that need replacing | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it's been stable for years. | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mer's upstream has lots of components that it needs to replace and has only just become stable, oh, yesterday. :P | 00:07 |
| javispedro | Macer: measured battery life already ;) | 00:07 |
| javispedro | ? | 00:07 |
| Macer | javispedro: not yet | 00:07 |
| Macer | it is still doing it's first charge | 00:07 |
| Macer | takes a while | 00:07 |
| Macer | like. when the batteries are low | 00:08 |
| Macer | the screen blanks | 00:08 |
| Macer | all on its own right in th emiddle of everything haha... it sucked.. i thought it was broken | 00:08 |
| javispedro | uhuh | 00:08 |
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| Macer | the tablet interface kind of sucks | 00:09 |
| Macer | it's not really an interface at all | 00:09 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:10 |
| javispedro | but as someone said here previously, "that's software" :) | 00:10 |
| javispedro | Macer: also, having actually received an actual, existing, real, non vaperware OMAP3 device: be happy! :) | 00:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Archos has been shipping those since Summer 2008. ;) | 00:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'd probably stick with OMAP2 before touching an Archos... | 00:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, yeah, but it's still an OMAP3 device. :P | 00:16 |
| Macer | javispedro: hahaha | 00:16 |
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| Macer | they had me guessing there for a long time | 00:16 |
| Macer | i thought i had been the proud preorder of an openpandora | 00:17 |
| javispedro | :D | 00:17 |
| Macer | too bad arm is still rather slow but that might be the ram limitation | 00:17 |
| Macer | ff getrs murdered by gmail heh | 00:17 |
| javispedro | I see it has 256MiB. | 00:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, we something to change the WiFi powersaving based on power source. | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Easily implemented (even for me) | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hooray dbus! | 00:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, is the battery applet still the one throwing the stupid charger banner? | 00:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Ja | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn | 00:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need an advanced power again, I guess. | 00:23 |
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| javispedro | "Robert Morgan is working to get IA-128 working backwards with full binary compatibility on the existing IA-64 instructions in the hardware simulation to work for Windows 8 and definitely Windows 9. " | 00:23 |
| javispedro | IA-128 *giggles* | 00:23 |
| Flyser | wtf?! | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That message is easily changed, too. Suddenly, a Diablo Community SSU seems fun... | 00:24 |
| microlith | lol IA-128 | 00:25 |
| xnt14 | xD | 00:25 |
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| coldboot | Is there an easy way to get iotop on the nokia? | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, we need to link it to the Bugzilla quip database. :D | 00:26 |
| xnt14 | coldboot, try compiling it? | 00:26 |
| javispedro | haha. | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: I avoid Bugzilla as much as possible, so I leave that as a task for you :P | 00:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | usuk | 00:27 |
| xnt14 | trac ftw. | 00:27 |
| javispedro | "Low battery. We are haskell. mutation is futile. you will be lifted." | 00:27 |
| coldboot | xnt14: Scratchbox is missing /usr/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_curses.so, along with a ton of other things. | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | and very well, might I add | 00:27 |
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| xnt14 | coldboot, hmm | 00:27 |
| coldboot | Yeah every time I want to add something to Maemo, I run into these annoying problems. | 00:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles never managed to like Trac. | 00:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Bugzilla has its warts, but I'm used to it. | 00:28 |
| * javispedro is happy enough with garage's tracker. but I admit it sends horribly formated emails. | 00:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, such are the limitations of a mobile operating system. It doesn't ship with the kitchen sink. ;) | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, :shudder: | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | GForge is the devil. | 00:29 |
| xnt14 | GeneralAntilles, well, I may just hack up my own bug tracking sw from my old sc sourcecode | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still planning on having the Garage Tracker nuked from orbit at some point. | 00:29 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 00:29 |
| * xnt14 goes back to work on his webui set | 00:29 | |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Did the Google Street View car run over someone's dog this morning? lol | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, you didn't migration the Canola issues to Bugzilla. :P | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/migration/migrate/ | 00:30 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: zerojay, you didn't migrate the Canola issues to Bugzilla. :P | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is there any good project management software that integrates with bugzilla? | 00:30 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Whaaaa? | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: No, because Bugzilla sucks and is anal enough on its own | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, which thing? | 00:31 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Never mind, I'm just plain confused now. :) | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, GForge sucks | 00:31 |
| coldboot | GeneralAntilles: Which is understandable, but it seems Maemo has overridden Python's own "Batteries Included" mantra. | 00:31 |
| javispedro | GForge sucks, Bugzilla sucks, cmon. | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seemingly we're slowly migrating everything away from it. | 00:32 |
| zerojay | What the fuck... I'm not talking about GForge or anything else... lol. | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Trac sucks, too | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I am, though. | 00:32 |
| * javispedro 's next garage project will request bugs to me mailed to his home. | 00:32 | |
| zerojay | Testopia is good for QA and integrates into Bugzilla. | 00:32 |
| Shapeshifter | flyspray! | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, was the dog bit directed at the nukes-from-orbit comment or something else? :D | 00:32 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: TMO anti-Google post. ;) | 00:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Oh, you didn't see it? | 00:33 |
| javispedro | ah yes. | 00:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Good, I'll be sure to file a ton of uselss bugs then! | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, you posted in it. | 00:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now I'm confused. | 00:33 |
| zerojay | I was the first person to post on it. lol | 00:33 |
| zerojay | Maybe second. | 00:33 |
| javispedro | that post rules. | 00:33 |
| zerojay | I'm just wondering what makes Google so evil. Is it that they are popular or... did the Street View car run over his dog or what? | 00:33 |
| javispedro | I need to ask there why Nokia is contributing to ARM's monopoly on embedded systems!!! </irony> | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, haha, it all becomes clear now. | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Google is Skynet | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, honestly, I'm partially agreed with him. | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Google is pretty evil. | 00:34 |
| javispedro | yes. | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whole "Do no evil" thing just didn't pan out. | 00:34 |
| javispedro | just wait until you notice you need to send all your search results and calendar to Nokia. | 00:34 |
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| microlith | google isn't pretty evil | 00:35 |
| zerojay | The one and only problem I have with Google is that people at work are using GDocs for shit that is supposed to be 100% internal.. and that's not even Google's fault. | 00:35 |
| microlith | in fact they aren't very evil | 00:35 |
| frewsxcv | can i install chinook applications on os 2007? | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pure evil? | 00:35 |
| microlith | for evil, I give you Monsanto | 00:35 |
| zerojay | When they actually DO some evil, fine... but I haven't seen that evil yet. | 00:35 |
| zerojay | Extras-devel just go down AGAIN? | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, the whole Chinese search thing was pretty bad. | 00:36 |
| javispedro | why people keep on asking SDK on Windows, SDK on Mac, SDK on Linux PPC, when the SDK has even problems running in anything not x86 Debian Lenny? | 00:36 |
| Proteous | sorry, I tripped on teh power cord again | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then there's Android's whole open-but-not | 00:36 |
| microlith | err | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | finally the ad-sense and privacy issues. | 00:36 |
| zerojay | Android doesn't make them evil. | 00:36 |
| microlith | android's pretty much open | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not. | 00:36 |
| microlith | how not? | 00:36 |
| zerojay | Even if it's not all that open. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their governance model is not open. | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you install Debian on a G1 without circumventing stuff? | 00:37 |
| microlith | why not? | 00:37 |
| zerojay | I can't even really blame them for the China thing... it's just a fact of life. If you want access to that huge population, you have to play by China's rules. It's complete bullshit... but not many companies can go ignoring 1/6th of the entire planet... so... meh... it's more a bad situation than evil. | 00:37 |
| zerojay | Evil on China's part. | 00:38 |
| microlith | you'll have to transition the closed qualcomm modules, but even google has to work around that | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | The thing that really bothers me is how big of a slice of the open source community Android and webOS are sucking up into platforms that are long-term dead-ends. | 00:39 |
| microlith | webOS maybe | 00:39 |
| * Mousey perks up | 00:39 | |
| microlith | since it's tied to Palm | 00:39 |
| Mousey | how is webos a dead end? | 00:39 |
| Mousey | oh | 00:39 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Agreed... at least on the Android part. I don't know enough about Webos to comment. | 00:40 |
| kynky | im guessing the sdk would run fine in a vm running debian x86 ? | 00:40 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: fortunately, that hasn't happened. the iPhone has comparatively a greater chunk of the "OSS comunity". | 00:40 |
| Mousey | i've abandoned openmoko and maemo for webos | 00:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, iPhone, too, but at least it isn't being billed as "open". | 00:40 |
| javispedro | kynky: yes. in fact, the plan is to distribute that. | 00:40 |
| microlith | android's on at least 3 device makers phones now, which means it's at least building intertia | 00:40 |
| microlith | openmoko was never good | 00:40 |
| zerojay | Mousey: Then GTFO! lol ;) | 00:40 |
| Mousey | true | 00:40 |
| frewsxcv | can i install chinook applications on os 2007? | 00:41 |
| Mousey | zerojay: hehe. i've only abandoned maemo til i get another n810 | 00:41 |
| Mousey | then i'll be back | 00:41 |
| Mousey | ^_^ | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, that's the problem, it's building inertia behind a platform that's not really open. | 00:41 |
| wazd | apps as HTML pages? :) | 00:41 |
| Mousey | i didn't reall abandon maemo. it abandoned ME | 00:41 |
| zerojay | wazd: Same thing as iPhone started with, isn't it? | 00:41 |
| kynky | ajax at least ? | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, we'd be much better off in the long term building that inertia behind a platform that has a chance of becoming generic. | 00:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, iPhone was always Objective-C. | 00:41 |
| microlith | GeneralAntilles: would you prefer they back a totally closed system like Winmo, or a non-existent fully open platform? | 00:41 |
| Mousey | agrees maemo has a chance of becoming generic | 00:41 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: No, it wasn't. | 00:42 |
| wazd | kynky: you don't really know what AJAX is, aren't you? :) | 00:42 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Back when the iPhone first launched, remember? :) | 00:42 |
| kynky | wazd, i do it for my job | 00:42 |
| Mousey | its just a shame the n900 turned out to be a phone | 00:42 |
| wazd | kynky: how does it supposed to help local app then? | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, there wasn't an AppStore. | 00:43 |
| Mousey | i'm genuinely disappointed =( | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, so you switch to . . . webOS? | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | <_< | 00:43 |
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| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: no!! | 00:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mousey: erm, you're buying a webos device | 00:43 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: i haven't been active lately in this channel cuz i'm saving my pennies for another n810! | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, at least if they were getting behind WinMob it wouldn't be because it's open. | 00:43 |
| kynky | wazd thought you meant do apps as just html, was thing with ajaz, just makes em more dynamic, bt prob got wrong end of stick, was thinking web apps | 00:43 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: True, there wasn't an app store back then, but Apple claimed they were "making apps". lol | 00:43 |
| Mousey | but the way i see it, the n810 and the Pre will be the ULTIMATE combination1 | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, people are getting behind Android because they think it's open, but it's not. | 00:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, why not just get an N900 and cut your costs down a bit? :\ | 00:44 |
| microlith | GeneralAntilles: at least android has the potential to become more open. Or you could end up like openmoko where you're so open the constant chaos makes it unusable | 00:44 |
| Mousey | because I want a Tablet, not a phone | 00:44 |
| kynky | dont put a sim card in ? | 00:44 |
| Mousey | the n810 is by far the most perfect tablet pc i've ever found.. | 00:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, fales dichotomy. | 00:44 |
| Mousey | and i've looked | 00:44 |
| Mousey | the n900 is sMALLER | 00:44 |
| Mousey | and worse keyboard | 00:45 |
| Mousey | it's a total 1stepforward2stepsback | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, so you think Google is going to let people run $RANDOM C applications? | 00:45 |
| Mousey | the n810 is the sweetspot | 00:45 |
| microlith | aren't they already? | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, worse keyboard? | 00:45 |
| wazd | kynky: well, they do javascript, yes | 00:45 |
| microlith | I believe that was part of one of the newer SDK releases, no? | 00:45 |
| wazd | n900 is a phone -> let's go to WebOS | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, dunno, can I run XChat on Android with a recompile? | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, according to whom? | 00:45 |
| Mousey | plus the Pre's a linux box like any wrt54g or nslu2 | 00:46 |
| Mousey | according to my fingers? | 00:46 |
| wazd | solid logic :D | 00:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, and let me tell you, you don't notice the screen size difference. | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, erm, you can install Debian on the Pre? | 00:46 |
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| microlith | GeneralAntilles: no, but that's mainly because it's not using X or GTK, not part of it being closed. | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, oh, you've used one? | 00:46 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: eventually you can | 00:46 |
| Mousey | GeneralAntilles: it's pretty frickin' generic hardware | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, depends on your definition of "closed". | 00:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, OK, good luck with that. | 00:46 |
| kynky | if resolution is there,you can use manual zoom, hold device nearer to eyes ? like kyrton does in red dwarf when he becomes human | 00:46 |
| Mousey | in fact, there's a whole thing about getting aother OS on the pre as soon as the GSM ver is out | 00:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | microlith, mine requires a certain sort of governance model (which Android doesn't, and likely will never, have) and a certain genericness in the platform. | 00:47 |
| microlith | "source unavailable, changes not permitted by the end-user whatsoever" | 00:47 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: What do ya think? http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, both of which Android fails. | 00:47 |
| Mousey | i maintain that the Nokia810 and Palm Pre will be the ultimate in discreet mobile computing | 00:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | microlith, clearly I'm not going to convince you, and thankfully you're not one of the people that needs convincing. | 00:48 |
| Mousey | Nokia n810, even | 00:48 |
| Mousey | hell, they're even binary compatiblr | 00:48 |
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| Mousey | r=e | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, why don't you try an N900 before you decide that? | 00:48 |
| zerojay | Mousey: Use the N900 first. The screen and keyboard are BETTER than my beloved N810. | 00:48 |
| Mousey | i have! i don't need two phones! | 00:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, oh, you can run webOS binaries on the N900? | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, where'd you try the N900? | 00:49 |
| Mousey | they're just arm linux binaries | 00:49 |
| Mousey | oh, i guess i haven't | 00:49 |
| Mousey | i'm looking at the keyboard now | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, and you have webOS binaries on Maemo? | 00:49 |
| Mousey | and i'm left handed | 00:49 |
| Flyser | webos apps aren't binarys | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting. | 00:49 |
| coldboot | I can't even install Python setuptools | 00:49 |
| Mousey | and that space bar is already messing me up | 00:49 |
| kynky | thougt the n900 was a mid, it just happens to support phone operations, like saying having a 5mp camera,just extras | 00:49 |
| Mousey | its a phone | 00:49 |
| microlith | GeneralAntilles: err, last I checked the sources for everything but the qualcomm hardware was available, unless that's just hocus pocus in the repositories we have here... | 00:49 |
| zerojay | Mousey: You're actually able to hit it solidly with one finger instead of awkwardly with both. | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith, open source does not make a platform open. | 00:50 |
| Mousey | well i don't mean to sound entirely skeptical | 00:50 |
| Mousey | i've been in here a long time, i love the n810 | 00:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Where is that article that came out a few months ago about open source governance models? | 00:50 |
| Mousey | i'm just sad its a phone too, that's hardware i'll never use, means i'll never be able to just buy one, it'll be sold in america from GSM carriers who will NOT sell you just the hardware. unless i can get it from nokia, but i'm still paying for a useless radio | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, here we go: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2009/08/open-is-the-new-closed/ | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | microlith ^ | 00:51 |
| Mousey | i like debs better than ipkgs | 00:51 |
| * microlith looks | 00:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, it wont be subsidized in the US. | 00:51 |
| kynky | thought it better to hav 3g in the phone, rather than a dongle, like having wifi built in, without needing a wifi dongle | 00:51 |
| zerojay | Mousey: GSM radios cost almost nothing. | 00:51 |
| Mousey | i'm still getting an n810. but i'll look at the n900, to be sure | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, I recommend you try the N900 before you pass final judgement. | 00:52 |
| Mousey | maybe, but that real estate on the PCB coulda been used for something i might use | 00:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mousey, screenshots and pictures don't tell you anything. | 00:52 |
| javispedro | bah, we need now an automated web app where you upload the SNES ROM and it automatically plays through all the levels, taking screenshots, and then releases a load of .deb files with backgrounds. | 00:52 |
| Mousey | tells me they don't care about lefties ;) | 00:52 |
| zerojay | javispedro: I've released six so far. I've used other people's maps. | 00:52 |
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| javispedro | zerojay: just joking, no criticism intended :) | 00:53 |
| javispedro | they're very good. | 00:53 |
| zerojay | Actually, can someone help me out with packaging up these gaming backgrounds so we can add them to.... well... could they even be in Extras? | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Stop being lazy. We'll just ask you to play the game for us and run dh_make | 00:53 |
| Shapeshifter | Do I need to do something special to have the scratchbox maemo have an internet connection? I'm writing an app that uses curl and curl reports "couldn't resolve hostname" when I try to use it. | 00:53 |
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| zerojay | javispedro: I know none was intended. I had to edit them some to make it work seamlessly though. | 00:54 |
| Shapeshifter | although clearly, apt-get update works, so it has a connection | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, only issue might be copyright on the images. | 00:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | do I need to give the app clearance of sort or something? | 00:54 |
| wjt | zerojay: where're you releasing them? | 00:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, and clutter, but hopefully h-a-m's browsing capabilities will be improving. | 00:55 |
| zerojay | wjt: For the moment, they are here: http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay | 00:55 |
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| kynky | how do you do middle and second mouse button emulation ? or not possible on n900 | 00:56 |
| zerojay | wjt: But that doesn't include the .desktop file to set them up as Image Sets... which I already have as well. | 00:56 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Might it fall under fair use? | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, dunno. | 00:56 |
| zerojay | wjt: What's new with the telepathy-extras? Got a changelog somewheres? | 00:56 |
| Captain_Picard | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1254935636 | 00:56 |
| GAN800 | kynky, long press for right click. | 00:57 |
| kynky | GAN800, cheers | 00:57 |
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| Captain_Picard | seriously when is this n900 going to be released | 00:57 |
| Captain_Picard | i dont want to wait any longer | 00:57 |
| GAN800 | kynky, no middle click, though you're more than welcome to implement you own method. | 00:58 |
| kynky | oct 26th from nokia ship in uk | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Captain_Picard: They've already released it, but they forgot to tell you | 00:58 |
| Captain_Picard | 26:th :O | 00:58 |
| GAN800 | Captain_Picard, soon, I'd say. | 00:58 |
| Captain_Picard | thats so faaar ahead | 00:58 |
| Captain_Picard | couldnt they just say november | 00:58 |
| Captain_Picard | :( | 00:58 |
| zerojay | It's out when it's out. Sorry. | 00:59 |
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| kynky | amazon uk got it for £470 , but thinking of getting it subsidised with t-mobile , web n walk package £25/month unlimited inet, £50 for handset , 200xnet minutes/200 texts, that released on nov 1st | 00:59 |
| coldboot | Does anyone know why the "curses" package is deprecated in python for maemo? | 00:59 |
| Captain_Picard | says the people who have n900 already prototype in use | 00:59 |
| Captain_Picard | damn developers! | 01:00 |
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| kynky | make it so | 01:00 |
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| wazd | zerojay: ah, it's you who's attacking with console wallpapers :P | 01:01 |
| zerojay | MUHAHAHA. | 01:01 |
| wjt | zerojay: presumably the packages themselves have a changelog? I haven't really been keeping up I'm afraid | 01:01 |
| zerojay | wjt: Okay, no biggie. | 01:01 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Looks like the wallpapers fall under fair use, so we should be okay. | 01:01 |
| wazd | zerojay: I'd suggest Sega/Snes games | 01:01 |
| kynky | GAN800, i guess a mini bt mouse would work ? | 01:01 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Streets of Rage FTW | 01:02 |
| zerojay | wazd: Yeah, problem is that it's hard to get a long horzontal section that works. | 01:02 |
| wazd | zerojay: use emulators/PS | 01:02 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: I almost did one today. | 01:02 |
| Captain_Picard | zerojay: are you going to make .deb package of all the wallpapers | 01:02 |
| wazd | zerojay: znes for example can enable/disable sprite layers | 01:02 |
| zerojay | wazd: No, you're not understanding me. The games don't HAVE long horizontal sections long enough for the wallpaper at the right ratio. :) | 01:02 |
| wazd | zerojay: noway :) | 01:03 |
| zerojay | Captain_Picard: Planning on it. | 01:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: If you get one done, I'll package it and consider you as a hero | 01:03 |
| zerojay | wazd: Seriously. | 01:03 |
| wazd | zerojay: most arcades are sidescrollers :D | 01:03 |
| * wjt would less-than-three some Sonic 3 wallpaper | 01:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | kynky, yeah, it should, It's just Xorg in Fremantle. | 01:03 |
| zerojay | wazd: The problem isn't simply just the horizontal sections... it's lining them up so that they are continuous. | 01:04 |
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| zerojay | That's the major problem with Sonic. | 01:04 |
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| wazd | check it out :) | 01:04 |
| zerojay | You want the end of screenshot 4 to match up to the start of screenshot 1. | 01:04 |
| Shapeshifter | no ideass why curl can't resolve hostnames in my scratchbox? | 01:05 |
| wjt | might have to be some judicious editing | 01:05 |
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| wazd | choose your sonic :) | 01:05 |
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| wazd | I'd choose 3 | 01:05 |
| zerojay | I made some changes to the Contra wallpaper to match... but yeah... it's going to take some editing. Still, I fired off those six quickly while at work today. | 01:05 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Think starting with six is okay for a first release then? | 01:06 |
| xiph | hi guys | 01:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, is clearly the man for the job. | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Shapeshifter: look at /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and the targets' /etc/resolv.conf | 01:06 |
| xiph | can anyone help me with the sdk? got it up and running, but I am missing some applications | 01:06 |
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| zerojay | wazd: Good luck finding a place in Sonic 3 that's horizontal enough to work. :) | 01:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Sure | 01:06 |
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| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Okay. Let me just eat real quick and I'll send you what you'll need for packaging then. | 01:07 |
| GAN800 | Pics or it didn't happen! | 01:07 |
| xiph | only got App manager, Settings and More | 01:07 |
| zerojay | lol | 01:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: It's 11:07 PM here and I'm not behind a computer, so I'll have to start tomorrow anyway :p | 01:07 |
| zerojay | Okay, I'll continue the MAEMO EATS meme. ;) | 01:08 |
| Shapeshifter | qwerty12_N810: thanks! fixing resolv.conf worked :) | 01:08 |
| zerojay | qwerty12_N810: Okay. I'll send you an link to a zip with everything then? | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: Sure | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: trippin1@gmail.com | 01:08 |
| xiph | Am I supposed to do something specific to get the Applications in the SDK? | 01:09 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | xiph: add nokia-binari... | 01:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yeah. | 01:10 |
| frals | apt-get install nokia-apps nokia-binaries | 01:10 |
| frals | oh right... | 01:10 |
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| xiph | lol, forgot that I've added shutdown -h in crontab at 00:10 | 01:12 |
| zerojay | GAN800: There! It happened! lol - http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3991444566/ | 01:12 |
| zerojay | lol, xiph | 01:13 |
| xiph | as I said earlier, are there anything I can do to get the applications in the SDK? | 01:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | xiph: add nokia-binaries repo and apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps | 01:14 |
| xiph | been there done that | 01:14 |
| xiph | the sdk stats up | 01:14 |
| xiph | but, I got no applications/tasks | 01:14 |
| xiph | *starts | 01:14 |
| frals | made sure you installed them in the right target? | 01:15 |
| frals | ie x86/arm | 01:15 |
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| xiph | yes, I think so. otherwise it wouldn't start at all? or? | 01:16 |
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| * javispedro is stuuupid. | 01:17 | |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, muhaha! http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3991455402/ | 01:17 |
| zerojay | lol | 01:17 |
| zerojay | The N900 group has so many already. lol | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You're doing this wrong. You need to make an image set that shows the food on the plate being eaten as the desktop is scrolled | 01:19 |
| xnt14 | yay, just finished the on-off toggle in webui! :) http://xceleo.org/.ui/ | 01:19 |
| xiph | http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1340/sdk.png | 01:19 |
| xnt14 | works flawlessly | 01:19 |
| zerojay | lol | 01:19 |
| xnt14 | hmm, what next..... | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | xiph:... and you're sure you installed nokia-apps and nokia-binaries? Because it really does not look like it | 01:20 |
| xiph | well, I'll try again | 01:21 |
| xiph | brb | 01:21 |
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| xiph | think I missed the nokia-apps | 01:23 |
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| xiph | success :D | 01:23 |
| xiph | thanks | 01:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn Comcast | 01:27 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I'll see if the .desktop will allow hidden images to be used with the panoramic desktop so that they don't clutter up the user's Images app. | 01:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, /usr/share/backgrounds/ | 01:36 |
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| zerojay | Is that where the others are? | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, but apparently it'll read them from there. | 01:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | The .desktops, I mean. | 01:37 |
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| zerojay | Oh, okay. I'll test it out. | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | huh cool, "... is not responding, close it?" | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | really neat | 01:38 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Doesn't exist. | 01:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro! | 01:40 |
| javispedro | hiyo. | 01:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, /usr/share/backgrounds/ ? | 01:40 |
| javispedro | the default ones come with a theme | 01:40 |
| javispedro | and those are in /usr/share/themes/*/backgrounds | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 01:41 |
| zerojay | doh. | 01:41 |
| javispedro | but I found the hildon-home enumerates also /usr/share/backgrounds/ | 01:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh? So create the directory, then. | 01:41 |
| javispedro | so I guess the latter is the home for the retrogaming backgrounds ;) | 01:41 |
| javispedro | yes. | 01:41 |
| zerojay | Yeah, seems to. | 01:41 |
| zerojay | Should I put the images themselves there as well? | 01:42 |
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| javispedro | zerojay: guess it does not matter. Most .desktop files I've seen have full paths to the image files. | 01:42 |
| zerojay | Mine too. | 01:42 |
| zerojay | $HOME doesn't work in the path, btw. | 01:42 |
| javispedro | so you could put them in /opt .... | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mmm, opt is good. | 01:43 |
| zerojay | I haven't really looked into /opt yet... just /opt/backgrounds/ or /opt/usr/share/backgrounds/... ? | 01:43 |
| javispedro | maemo-optimizer would put them in /opt/maemo/usr/share/backgrounds iirc. | 01:43 |
| javispedro | err.. | 01:43 |
| javispedro | maemo-optifier | 01:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | So just drop /maemo/ | 01:43 |
| zerojay | Everything in /opt is symlinked anyways, right? | 01:44 |
| javispedro | zerojay: yes, but packages create the symlinks by themselves. | 01:44 |
| javispedro | in this case, there's no need to, since you can make the .desktop files link to /opt already. | 01:44 |
| javispedro | s/link/refer . | 01:44 |
| zerojay | Okay.. so... .desktop files in /usr/share/backgrounds/ and the actual images in /opt/usr/share/backgrounds/... ? | 01:45 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: sure they dropped /maemo? | 01:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, they didn't for optify. | 01:45 |
| zerojay | I have /opt/maemo on my tablet. | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I believe the plan is for packages to drop it and patch optify in the future. | 01:46 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | /opt/<something>/usr/... appears to be the convention so far | 01:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | However, I lost interest in the discussion on the mailing list about half-way, through, so. . . . :P | 01:46 |
| javispedro | so /opt/maemo-backgrounds/<background-name>/actual_files.png ? :D | 01:46 |
| zerojay | I hate you guys. lol | 01:47 |
| zerojay | Alrighty... so... | 01:47 |
| javispedro | zerojay: if you're the first to do you get the honor of deciding the policy ;) | 01:47 |
| zerojay | javispedro: Sort of like the first caveman to try eating something new. | 01:48 |
| zerojay | javispedro: "If it works, awesome.. if not... we'll name a cemetary after you." | 01:48 |
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| javispedro | there's an app for that, too. | 01:48 |
| zerojay | Now you're getting the cemetary. :) | 01:48 |
| zerojay | Alright. | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, just put them in /. :P | 01:49 |
| * zerojay big regal voice... | 01:49 | |
| zerojay | In the name of Maemo... | 01:49 |
| javispedro | i'd put them in /dev/shm/. | 01:49 |
| * zerojay runs mkdir /opt/maemo-backgrounds/ | 01:49 | |
| zerojay | And it was done. | 01:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'd go for /var/tmp | 01:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:50 |
| zerojay | [19:25] [Error] dev/null: Unknown command. <-- oopsie. ;) | 01:50 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Actually, it would be cool if the Browser, when "opening files from the internet", would use /opt instead of /var/tmp... | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, the Thanks rate for sane posts has gone way down since all of the cool people are on planes. :D | 01:54 |
| pupnik | thanks should have been for providing solutions or info | 01:55 |
| pupnik | not "i agree with his opinion" | 01:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Well, it's that or 20 posts saying "+1" | 01:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, what if the opinion is about a solution? | 01:56 |
| javispedro | bah. | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, anyway, that's why Off Topic doesn't have Thanks. | 01:57 |
| pupnik | then it should be thanked only if it provides a solution or useful info | 01:57 |
| javispedro | the fscking epson printer is fscked up again. | 01:57 |
| pupnik | my cups is hosed again | 01:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, whatever. | 01:58 |
| wazd | zerojay: http://s50.radikal.ru/i127/0910/d0/ee8d733be97c.png | 01:58 |
| pupnik | thanks now have no use as a measure of community contributions | 01:58 |
| zerojay | wazd: Is that the proper aspect ratio? | 01:58 |
| pupnik | is all | 01:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: then stop fscking it | 01:58 |
| wazd | zerojay: well, yeah, 2x native genesis | 01:59 |
| zerojay | wazd: Looks alright, except you've got a wrapping issue on the grass on the far right and far left sides. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I'd disagree, but meh. | 01:59 |
| zerojay | Well... might not be noticable anyways. | 02:00 |
| pupnik | genesis? | 02:00 |
| pupnik | show | 02:00 |
| zerojay | wazd: Split it up and if you don't mind, I'll put it in this package if it tests out well. | 02:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | s/genesis/megadrive/g | 02:00 |
| pupnik | nice background | 02:01 |
| wazd | zerojay: I don't get where's the issue :) | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | are you porting an emulator? | 02:02 |
| * pupnik tilts head to side listening to wind | 02:02 | |
| javispedro | nope, they're just doing cool backgrounds (AFAIK ;) ) | 02:02 |
| pupnik | acha | 02:02 |
| javispedro | well, gnite all. | 02:03 |
| zerojay | wazd: Split up the files, upload them.. I'll grab them and check them out and let you know if there really is an issue or not. | 02:03 |
| javispedro | and don't let the tmo trolls eat after midnight. | 02:03 |
| Shapeshifter | does someone know what signal gets emitted when gtk is done loading the ui for the first time? is there something like that? I want a function to be run as soon as the ui is loaded. | 02:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: see ya. Your printer will be relieved ;) | 02:03 |
| javispedro | :) cy | 02:04 |
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| wazd | zerojay: where should I send them? | 02:11 |
| zerojay | wazd: jay@zerojay.com | 02:12 |
| zerojay | lol | 02:12 |
| zerojay | Even with the images in /opt/maemo-backgrounds/metroid-brinstar/, they still show up in the Images app. lol | 02:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nokia apps, usually, don't show hidden files | 02:13 |
| zerojay | Yeah, trying that now. | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, Track. :\ | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | er | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tracker | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish it wouldn't index EVERYTHING | 02:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yeah, man, I propose that /opt/porn is added to its blacklist by default | 02:15 |
| zerojay | I changed the .desktop to include a file beginning with . and now it's listed at the top of the backgrounds list. | 02:15 |
| zerojay | Uughhhh. | 02:15 |
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| zerojay | hmm.. seemed to be just temporary then. | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Was it your background? | 02:16 |
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| zerojay | I had changed it before trying. | 02:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 02:17 |
| zerojay | Alright, it's official... even .hidden files are seen by Images. | 02:17 |
| pupnik | does N900 gps have a chance at being better than n810? | 02:17 |
| zerojay | pupnik: It's got more than a chance. It just *IS* better. | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, of course, it's actually got a cellular radio to connect to. | 02:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | You don't need cellular for decent GPS. | 02:18 |
| pupnik | withoujt radio active? | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, you do if it's AGPS. | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | No, you don't. | 02:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, it aint no MTK in there. | 02:18 |
| zerojay | Even without radio active, it's better. | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | AGPS degrades to normal GPS without an assistance connection. | 02:19 |
| pupnik | cool | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | (in the case of most devices anyway) | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, most cellular GPS chips don't do well without the A. | 02:19 |
| pupnik | im amazed they work at all | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure - that's due to software and hardware qualities. You can make a good GPS, and then add the A. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, sure, but that's not cheap. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | AGPS doesn't inherently mean a bad GPS without the A. | 02:20 |
| mavhc | there's 34 different things that are called agps | 02:20 |
| zerojay | Fuckin' A. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I wasn't making a generic statement. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a _huge_ umbrella term. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I was talking about the N810 and the N900. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, whatever. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - I was just answering hte 'cellular radio' comment. | 02:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | I don't understand how to do this: I have an app that needs to perform some curl stuff right at the start. I want this to either be accompanied by a loading animation or it should simply happen in the background as the first main window is shown. Problem is, that if I just put it before gtk_main() in the main function, it of course gets run before the window shows up so theres a 1 second delay until the curl command has finished. And I ... | 02:23 |
| Shapeshifter | ... don't know where else to put it or else it wont run by itself. I can't find a signal for "window done loading" or something like that. Now, if I was to use a loading animation, how would I make it 1. load the animation and show it, 2. do the curl stuff, 3. show the main screen | 02:24 |
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| zerojay | Shapeshifter: What exactly are you trying to do with your app? Perhaps we can find alternative ways of doing what you need if you explain it more. | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: you can fork and have one process do the call, the other process display the UI, and then get a ping from the first process when it's done | 02:25 |
| pupnik | maybe you can do a syscall to invoke curl first but include a sleep 2 in the syscall | 02:25 |
| pupnik | or that | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Talk. | 02:26 |
| Shapeshifter | zerojay: well I just need to log in to a site using curl and save the cookie. Then in the main window there are a couple of buttons that send further http requests to a site using that cookie (as authentication) and do stuff on the page. | 02:26 |
| zerojay | Shapeshifter: You should at least inform the user you're going to do that. | 02:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | zerojay: yeah, a loading animation at the start would be nice. | 02:28 |
| Shapeshifter | with "logging in" below it. | 02:28 |
| zerojay | Shapeshifter: You might want to look into how SharePy does it's authentication setup stuff. Not in the background without telling the user. | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, splash screens aren't used in Maemo. | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, hildon banner or you can put a little processing circle next to the app title. | 02:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | For Fremantle | 02:29 |
| Shapeshifter | mhm | 02:29 |
| wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4241&d=1254534895 <- that's where UI guidelines fail :) | 02:30 |
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| zerojay | wazd: Okay, never mind what I said. It looks good on the device. | 02:32 |
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| zerojay | wazd: Can I package this with my six into that .deb? You might want to upload it to n900wallpapers.com yourself as well. | 02:33 |
| wazd | zerojay: ah, do whatever you want :) | 02:33 |
| zerojay | wazd: Sonic 3.. what level? | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, too bad the autobuilder is still dead. :( | 02:33 |
| wazd | zerojay: first | 02:34 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I still have some arranging to do anyways. | 02:34 |
| zerojay | wazd: Meant the level name, but that's okay.. I'll find it. :) | 02:34 |
| wazd | zerojay: emerald valley | 02:35 |
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| wazd | oh no | 02:35 |
| wazd | angel island :D | 02:35 |
| zerojay | Yep, thanks. | 02:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WiFi with a router that's not falling apart is so much better. | 02:44 |
| zerojay | wazd: I'll up them also to n900wallpapers if you haven't already (with credit, of course). | 02:44 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Just might do that Excitebike background. Any particular level you'd like to see? | 02:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, any that's visually interesting. | 02:46 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/NES/index.htm#E | 02:48 |
| zerojay | Take your pick. | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | End of track 1 or track 4 somewhere? | 02:49 |
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| zerojay | k | 02:51 |
| zerojay | I'll take a crack at it once I'm done getting the rest ready for packaging. | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Blah blah blah . . . lazy | 02:51 |
| zerojay | lol | 02:52 |
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| orbarron | all: does maemo have a logo I can use somewhere? I tried the www.maemo.org/intro/trademarks/logos but nothing is there | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those aren't Maemo logos. | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Those are http://maemo.org logos | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | What are you using it for? | 03:05 |
| orbarron | got it... | 03:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, lot of people like to chop the ".org" off to turn it into a "maemo" logo, so just making sure. :D | 03:06 |
| orbarron | is there a standard logo or is this it? | 03:07 |
| orbarron | don't want to chop anything just want to use what is available... but thanks for the input | 03:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, Maemo doesn't really have a logo. | 03:08 |
| orbarron | got it so the maemo.org is good then | 03:08 |
| orbarron | thanks | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, basically "Maemo" written in Nokia's font might qualify, but the only real logo we have is the http://maemo.org one. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, see the "Maemo" up under the Nokia logo here: http://maemo.nokia.com/ | 03:09 |
| orbarron | IC I like the .org one looks nice:-D | 03:10 |
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| orbarron | how about guidelines of usage? same as the ones listed here -- http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/logos/ -- | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, basically, yeah. | 03:12 |
| orbarron | got it... thanks again | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, the big page of legalese needs updating. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, but as long as it's something related to http://maemo.org or the community and not specifically Nokia you can use it. | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're not too worried about protecting the http://maemo.org trademark. | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got nothing to sell. :D | 03:13 |
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| orbarron | is there a bigger favicon image some where? | 03:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, I think there's an SVG floating around down somewhere in Brazil but I was never able to get ahold of it. :( | 03:14 |
| orbarron | :P | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | orbarron, should be fairly easy to yank the ae out of the svg, though. | 03:15 |
| orbarron | yeah I know, just being a bit lazy....:-D | 03:15 |
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| zerojay | What would be nice to make these backgrounds REALLY pop.. a widget that just plays an animation and is completely invisible except for the sprite assigned to it. | 03:19 |
| zerojay | Make those Mario ? blocks glow. :) | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or just support for animated backgrounds. | 03:20 |
| zerojay | That too. | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Streaming ones too. | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Imagine a background of several worldwide beach-cams. | 03:20 |
| zerojay | Widgets that play the animation in a path... enemies could walk around. | 03:20 |
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| zerojay | Wonder what needs to be added to bump up an image set to a full theme. | 03:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Lots more bitmaps? | 03:22 |
| zerojay | Maybe. | 03:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to make an app with RGB sliders for the LED. | 03:51 |
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| zerojay | :) | 04:19 |
| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, the one for the N810 doesn't work? | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good point, haven't tried. | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | But doubt it. | 04:21 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Standby... theme incoming. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which reminds me, where the hell did jott disappear to? | 04:22 |
| zerojay | Well... "image set" anyways. | 04:22 |
| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, try it: http://pastebin.com/m6f8ba4f1 | 04:22 |
| Firebird | though, /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2 probably doesn't exist | 04:22 |
| Firebird | the N900 has a RGB led? | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 04:23 |
| zerojay | Does different colors, yeah. | 04:23 |
| zerojay | Bottom left of the device. | 04:23 |
| Firebird | I think the manual kinda concluded that it did white and orange only | 04:23 |
| zerojay | Doesn't ever flash often enough when there's a new or incoming message. | 04:23 |
| zerojay | No, blue = new e-mail/im. | 04:23 |
| zerojay | Green = fully charged. | 04:24 |
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| Firebird | ah, guess I didn't look at it far enough | 04:24 |
| zerojay | Don't blame yourself. The manual is missing a lot... or gets things wrong. | 04:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://pastebin.com/d6a180d50 | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's RGB | 04:25 |
| Firebird | is there any directory like the one on the N810? | 04:27 |
| wiretapped | is there any new info about when the N900 is actually going to be available? | 04:28 |
| * wiretapped is ready | 04:28 | |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Hope you don't mind the slight artistic license I had to take to make sure the status bar wouldn't be drawn on top of a mess of random colored pixels: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3991852944/ | 04:29 |
| howitzer` | it's available when you're not ready anymore :) | 04:29 |
| * wiretapped rushes out to buy a g1 | 04:29 | |
| zerojay | It was a bitch to loop properly... but you can't even tell anymore. :) | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sucks and I hate it! | 04:30 |
| zerojay | lol | 04:30 |
| zerojay | I was going to replace NINTENDO with MAEMO.ORG for you, but got lazy. :) | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehehe | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really want somebody to do a full theme for something. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sound effects, too. | 04:31 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that's why I was asking earlier. | 04:31 |
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| Guest2651_828 | hi | 04:35 |
| Guest2651_828 | testing | 04:35 |
| Guest2651_828 | testing | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | 123 | 04:35 |
| Guest2651_828 | how to i chat | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | /nick <your nick> | 04:35 |
| Firebird | well, you're chatting right now | 04:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love Google: http://tinyurl.com/y8dvc87 | 04:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Welcome. | 04:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | random - does anyone happen to know the number of bytes it would take to update status on twitter? I'm unsure if my phone providers claim of 1040 or so is realistic (in an ad) | 04:37 |
| techgeek | ok | 04:37 |
| wiretapped | How is IRC formed????? | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | wiretapped: write grew up. | 04:37 |
| techgeek | does anyone know where i can find the wrtouch theme for maemo 4 on tablethacker.com ? | 04:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wrtouch? | 04:41 |
| TechGeek2 | aah | 04:41 |
| TechGeek2 | this is much better | 04:41 |
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| TechGeek2 | My question was does anyone know where I can find the wptouch theme for the n810 (maemo 4)? | 04:42 |
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| TechGeek2 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24285 penguinbait says its on his website | 04:43 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: LOL | 04:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does this help? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24285 | 04:43 |
| TechGeek2 | oh sorry | 04:44 |
| TechGeek2 | I thought it was a theme for the os on the n810 it's a wordpress theme. my mistake | 04:44 |
| zerojay | http://n900wallpapers.com/users/zerojay - Not a bad start, eh? | 04:44 |
| zerojay | For one day. | 04:44 |
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| puelocesar | hi | 04:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, Imma email that to your boss. :P | 04:46 |
| puelocesar | I updated some libs on my Diablo and now I can't run Canola anymore | 04:46 |
| puelocesar | it complains about missing XRAND | 04:46 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: lol. | 04:47 |
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| wiretapped | zerojay: i'm confused | 04:58 |
| wiretapped | in the videos it looks like maemo5 scrolls a larger background | 04:58 |
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| wiretapped | why are these all 800x480? | 04:59 |
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| Firebird | wiretapped, you need 4 of them, a giant image would be a bit intensive performance wise | 04:59 |
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| wiretapped | seriously?! | 04:59 |
| Firebird | you can just make one giant one and split it | 05:00 |
| wiretapped | um | 05:00 |
| zerojay | Each desktop is 800x480... and just splitting a giant one is what I did. | 05:00 |
| wiretapped | why doesn't it just do that?! | 05:00 |
| wiretapped | you actually have to set four different wallpapers? | 05:00 |
| zerojay | You CAN. | 05:00 |
| wiretapped | and the stuff in the video involves four images that line up? | 05:01 |
| zerojay | I have included .desktop files that will set all four at the same time. | 05:01 |
| zerojay | Yep. | 05:01 |
| wiretapped | ok | 05:01 |
| wiretapped | wacky | 05:01 |
| zerojay | When you install my themes from the .deb that'll be made, you'll just see "Image Set - Super Mario Bros. - World 1-2" for example and it will set all four at once. | 05:01 |
| zerojay | Just downloading them from that site though.. you'd have to do it one by one. | 05:02 |
| zerojay | Not that it's a big deal to do that anyways... only saving maybe a minute. | 05:02 |
| wiretapped | ok | 05:02 |
| wiretapped | nice work btw | 05:02 |
| Firebird | bah, ignorantly updated with extras-devel again :/ | 05:03 |
| zerojay | wiretapped: When you see them in action.. that's when you can really appreciate it. | 05:03 |
| zerojay | Let me see if this thing will record video.. hmm. | 05:03 |
| wiretapped | you have an n900 already? | 05:04 |
| * wiretapped wonders how many here do | 05:04 | |
| zerojay | Load applet apparently lets you record screencasts, but it just recorded black for me. | 05:04 |
| wiretapped | wow | 05:04 |
| wiretapped | screencasts | 05:04 |
| wiretapped | lol | 05:04 |
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| zerojay | wiretapped: If I get to do what I really want to do with these themes... you ain't seen nothin' yet. | 05:07 |
| Flandry | Hi. Is there a separate channel for maemo dev? | 05:08 |
| zerojay | This is it. | 05:08 |
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| Flandry | ok great | 05:08 |
| Flandry | i'm wondering if the app manager is supposed to work in the SDK | 05:09 |
| zerojay | Just keep in mind that a lot of people are on their way to Summit, so not everyone's around. :) | 05:09 |
| Flandry | ah good point | 05:09 |
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| Flandry | can click on apps in app manager, but nothing happens | 05:10 |
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| Flandry | as i don't yet have a tablet, i don't know how it normally acts | 05:10 |
| zerojay | Maybe you don't have the repos set up. | 05:11 |
| Firebird | nothing happens here either | 05:12 |
| Flandry | have five or six showing up under "Catalogues" | 05:13 |
| Flandry | and i can see apps | 05:13 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that would be them. | 05:13 |
| Flandry | just nothing happens... | 05:13 |
| Flandry | hmm | 05:13 |
| Flandry | actually media playback is broken too | 05:14 |
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| Flandry | Firebird, what works for you in the emulator? | 05:14 |
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| Flandry | it's hard to know what to file a bug for when everything is busted :D | 05:18 |
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| Firebird | "Bug Report: Product *" | 05:20 |
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| AStorm | gah | 06:09 |
| AStorm | could someone please provide a way to bypass or work around that damned esound resampler? | 06:10 |
| AStorm | someone set that junk for 48kHz | 06:10 |
| AStorm | it's adding aliasing to all music | 06:10 |
| AStorm | now that I stopped using crummy headphones, it sounds *horrid* | 06:11 |
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| AStorm | either like noise, or like someone put audio through a resonant filter | 06:11 |
| AStorm | (duh) | 06:11 |
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| AStorm | I am willing to pay some small battery life tax | 06:13 |
| AStorm | but please do fix it | 06:13 |
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| AStorm | this linear resampler is making my ears cry :-( | 06:15 |
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| AStorm | (formerly it was less noticeable due to worse earphones) | 06:20 |
| ShadowJK | I thought it was resampling to 44100hz in maemo? | 06:21 |
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| ShadowJK | And yes, esd's resampler sounds like someone scratching on your window with a fork | 06:21 |
| AStorm | w/e, it is resampling | 06:21 |
| AStorm | that's enough | 06:21 |
| AStorm | and resampling badly | 06:21 |
| AStorm | anyway, hda-intel vs this is no-contest | 06:23 |
| AStorm | on the same files. | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 06:23 |
| AStorm | and I think it's mostly fixable | 06:23 |
| AStorm | in software. | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | hda-intel probably doesn't have that much margin between signal and noise floor, but crummy resampling will stand out over it :) | 06:24 |
| AStorm | hehe | 06:24 |
| AStorm | actually, here it provides some 100 dBA SNR (measured by ear) | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | The "fix" is to have esd run at the hardware's native rate, if it has one, and feed esd at that rate | 06:24 |
| AStorm | (plus a nasty 19kHz+ quiet whine) | 06:24 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: what hardware? you mean the DSP? ;p | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | What samplerate is the file you're playing? | 06:25 |
| AStorm | standard mp3, that is, 44100 Hz, 16 bit, stereo | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | strange | 06:26 |
| ShadowJK | iirc things go funny if MPlayer feeds esd at anything BUT 44100hz | 06:26 |
| AStorm | it's especially apparent on all kinds of electronica | 06:26 |
| ShadowJK | hm, I've got some ladytron somewhere.. | 06:26 |
| ShadowJK | What headphones do you have btw? | 06:26 |
| AStorm | now, Sennheiser IE-7... these are 24 Ohm I think | 06:27 |
| ShadowJK | Not familiar with IE-7 | 06:27 |
| AStorm | so shouldn't be a problem to drive by the analogue part of the circuit | 06:27 |
| ShadowJK | noise floor is kinda obvious on tablet | 06:28 |
| * ShadowJK gets reminded by plugging in headphones | 06:28 | |
| AStorm | as in when not playing | 06:28 |
| AStorm | yes, it's some -82 dBA IMO | 06:28 |
| AStorm | but that's not too bad. | 06:28 |
| ShadowJK | Well you can hear when the DSP is activated and deactivated by the sudden appearance of huge amounts of bg noise :) | 06:28 |
| AStorm | s/huge/some/ | 06:28 |
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| AStorm | but yes. this is not the problem though | 06:29 |
| ShadowJK | it's actually the biggest distortion I hear | 06:29 |
| ShadowJK | that and volume doesn't go low enough | 06:29 |
| AStorm | oh | 06:29 |
| AStorm | you're using some low impedance headphones | 06:29 |
| AStorm | like, 16 Ohm. had that problem too | 06:30 |
| AStorm | change both analog control (the system one) and digital | 06:30 |
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| AStorm | fortunately, n810's amp is not as wimpy as old iPod's | 06:30 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah mine are 16ohm | 06:30 |
| AStorm | it can drive low impedance | 06:30 |
| AStorm | (w/o bass loss) | 06:31 |
| AStorm | but now, play some, hmm, electronica | 06:31 |
| AStorm | esp. of the more melodic kind | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | I think the noise would mask alot of distortion | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | though not the worst kind of resampling | 06:31 |
| AStorm | not this kind of noise | 06:32 |
| AStorm | it's too quiet anyway ;p | 06:32 |
| ShadowJK | do you have an example file you could send? | 06:32 |
| AStorm | let me think... what could I send w/o snipping. | 06:32 |
| AStorm | oh right | 06:32 |
| AStorm | those are from newsgrounds, so you can dl them yourself | 06:32 |
| ShadowJK | my sennheiser cx-300 are LOUD even at the lowest volume that's still subjectively 30% noise :/ | 06:33 |
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| AStorm | subjectively, you're overestimating the noise floor ;p | 06:33 |
| AStorm | but yes, it's audible. | 06:33 |
| ShadowJK | hehe | 06:34 |
| AStorm | (but cx 300 go to -106 dBA) | 06:34 |
| ShadowJK | if I play silence, and touch the touchscreen, the noise changes :) | 06:34 |
| AStorm | (about almost what I could measure with Aureon Space) | 06:34 |
| AStorm | yes, because it's analog electrical noise | 06:35 |
| AStorm | piss poor opamp there ;p | 06:35 |
| AStorm | blame cost cuts | 06:35 |
| ShadowJK | so what should I download? | 06:35 |
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| AStorm | let me see, it's mostly junk, but let me pick something less-junk | 06:36 |
| ShadowJK | you know it's bad when some chinese clonemakers pick some random amps and get it better | 06:37 |
| AStorm | heh, I can do it better with one-transistor amp | 06:38 |
| AStorm | that is how bad it is | 06:38 |
| AStorm | (better as in with similar power efficiency) | 06:38 |
| AStorm | actually, just download some random electronica | 06:38 |
| AStorm | (one that has at least some melody) | 06:39 |
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| ShadowJK | it'd be nicer if you could link me some | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | this site's navigation eludes me | 06:39 |
| AStorm | uh. | 06:39 |
| AStorm | click Audio portal | 06:39 |
| AStorm | pick "Best list" | 06:39 |
| AStorm | or rather, pick the genre in the list just above | 06:40 |
| AStorm | :) | 06:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 will have a much better amp. | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | yeah yeah, but N900 isn't here yet | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | and especially not on my desk yet :P | 06:41 |
| AStorm | amp isn't the real problem here | 06:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Give it a couple weeks. ;) | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | and THEN we get to fight with pulseaudio butchering audio :) | 06:41 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: give us a couple of bucks ;p | 06:41 |
| AStorm | nah, pulse is easily fixable | 06:41 |
| AStorm | it has speex resamplers which are decent | 06:41 |
| AStorm | even if they don't enable the good quality one by default | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | hm, do I need flash for this | 06:42 |
| AStorm | not. | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | oh a floppy picture | 06:43 |
| * ShadowJK taps | 06:43 | |
| AStorm | click "floppy" | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | hm, maybe I should buy some Shure headphones | 06:44 |
| ShadowJK | 27ohm impedance | 06:44 |
| AStorm | unfortunately, Shures are overpriced for their quality... a bit | 06:45 |
| AStorm | the top of their line is good, yes | 06:45 |
| AStorm | still overpriced | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | my first pick had no vocals at all :-) | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | What did your IE-3 cost? | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | The formfactor looks ideal | 06:45 |
| AStorm | IE-7? | 06:45 |
| AStorm | a lot ;p | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | oh IE-7 | 06:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, what do you recommend for earbuds? | 06:45 |
| AStorm | IE-3 don't exist already ;p (IE-4 was CX 500 + tuning) | 06:46 |
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| ShadowJK | I think I googled IE-3 and got some results, heh | 06:46 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: earbuds? if you're averse to canalphones... | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | oh just under $200 | 06:46 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: they're long out of production | 06:46 |
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| AStorm | IE-3 was... uh | 06:47 |
| AStorm | CX 300 + some tuning ;p | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK | and foam instead of rubber | 06:47 |
| AStorm | optionally. | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK | I think I like foam better | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK | Well, depends on the situation really | 06:47 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: hmm, let me think for a second | 06:48 |
| AStorm | I suspect some of MX series are still good | 06:48 |
| AStorm | or at least ok | 06:48 |
| AStorm | but... there was something else too | 06:48 |
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| ShadowJK | I can't stand regular earbuds | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | They just fall out | 06:49 |
| AStorm | I can stand *some*. smaller ones. | 06:49 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: oh right | 06:49 |
| AStorm | Yuin produces some quite fine earbuds | 06:49 |
| AStorm | if you really do not want ear canal | 06:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Am I not seeing GeneralAntilles' side of the conversation or is this a long monologue? :) | 06:50 |
| AStorm | 05:45:59 GeneralAntilles | AStorm, what do you recommend for earbuds? | 06:50 |
| AStorm | ;) | 06:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not an earbud person, but it's always good to know what to recommend. | 06:50 |
| ShadowJK | AStorm, do you have a non-esd system with MPlayer? | 06:51 |
| AStorm | hmmm | 06:51 |
| AStorm | not. | 06:51 |
| AStorm | that's why I'm asking how to fix it | 06:51 |
| AStorm | I had one once | 06:51 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 06:51 |
| AStorm | but with custom kernel | 06:51 |
| AStorm | and a whole other lot of custom stuff I forgot to write down | 06:51 |
| AStorm | :-/ | 06:51 |
| AStorm | heck, ALSA worked there (w/o mixing) | 06:52 |
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| ShadowJK | It's strange because I think esd runs at 44100hz on the tablet... so there should be no remixing :/ | 06:52 |
| * AStorm checks again | 06:52 | |
| AStorm | canola configs. | 06:52 |
| AStorm | actually, .atabake/config | 06:54 |
| AStorm | audio = oms | 06:54 |
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| AStorm | set that to mplayer, let's check. | 06:55 |
| AStorm | (mplayer will use its own ffmpeg resampler) | 06:55 |
| ShadowJK | if it feels like it | 06:56 |
| ShadowJK | it has about 5 resamplers ;p | 06:56 |
| ShadowJK | From "omg, fast!" to "audiophile!" | 06:56 |
| AStorm | dammit | 06:57 |
| AStorm | yes, that was it. | 06:57 |
| * ShadowJK constructs monstrous resampler-fail filterchain in mplayer and finds some anime OST that sounds dreadful afterwards | 06:57 | |
| * AStorm kicks esd or gstreamer in the nuts | 06:57 | |
| ShadowJK | What was it? | 06:57 |
| AStorm | switching to mplayer fixed the horridness | 06:58 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 06:58 |
| AStorm | but added a fresh new volume control bug ;p | 06:58 |
| AStorm | (volume control acts a split second *after* the track is loaded) | 06:58 |
| ShadowJK | the default media player does that too | 06:59 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's buffering by esd | 06:59 |
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| AStorm | maybe | 06:59 |
| ShadowJK | softvol anyway | 06:59 |
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| AStorm | in other words, it's likely that gstreamer goes through some fail | 06:59 |
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| AStorm | what was that "oms"? | 06:59 |
| ShadowJK | no idea | 06:59 |
| smackpotato | anyone get there phone yet | 06:59 |
| ShadowJK | AStorm, do you have n810 or ssh access to your tablet for typing something? wanna test crapp-resampler chain I found? | 07:00 |
| AStorm | you mean n900? heh, no | 07:00 |
| smackpotato | ya | 07:00 |
| AStorm | sure, I have n810 right on hand | 07:00 |
| AStorm | guess what I was testing it with ;p | 07:00 |
| ShadowJK | right let me test myself first | 07:01 |
| AStorm | let me give you something that fails horribly w/o that | 07:01 |
| * AStorm does a title search | 07:01 | |
| AStorm | damn | 07:02 |
| AStorm | it fell off the newsgrounds | 07:02 |
| AStorm | wth | 07:03 |
| AStorm | either their search is broken, or everything I have cycled | 07:03 |
| AStorm | I suspect the former | 07:03 |
| AStorm | of course, main search was broken | 07:04 |
| ShadowJK | mplayer -ao esd -af resample=42000:0:0,resample=44100:0:0 file.mp3 | 07:04 |
| AStorm | ugh | 07:05 |
| AStorm | what kind of brokenness you propose? | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | This is the "crap" resampler | 07:05 |
| AStorm | a benchmark of ffmpeg resampler? | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | and not ffmpeg's resampler | 07:05 |
| AStorm | ah | 07:05 |
| AStorm | :> | 07:05 |
| AStorm | linear mplayer "desampler" ;) | 07:05 |
| AStorm | ShadowJK: http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/137492 | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | mplayer -ao esd -af resample=42000:0:2,resample=44100:0:2 file.mp3 | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | That's the "good" mplayer resampler | 07:05 |
| * AStorm tests | 07:06 | |
| ShadowJK | and then mplayer -ao esd -af lavcresample=42000,lavcresample=44100 file.mp3 for ffmpeg's resampler | 07:06 |
| ShadowJK | I don't hear these resampling distortions like I used to | 07:07 |
| ShadowJK | I guess working in loud environment has made my hearing crap over the years :/ | 07:07 |
| AStorm | no, really ;) most of the nasty distortion is high-freq | 07:09 |
| AStorm | easily aparrent on the guitar | 07:09 |
| AStorm | but it's not the :0 resampler | 07:10 |
| AStorm | it sounds like :1 one | 07:10 |
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| ShadowJK | is :1 crap to you too? | 07:10 |
| ShadowJK | what about :2? | 07:10 |
| AStorm | :2 is ok | 07:10 |
| ShadowJK | :1 loses some volume for me | 07:10 |
| ShadowJK | What does :0 sound like to you? | 07:11 |
| AStorm | hm, wait | 07:11 |
| AStorm | no, it does sound like :0 | 07:11 |
| AStorm | ;p | 07:11 |
| AStorm | but different | 07:11 |
| AStorm | I suspect it's upsampling for some reason unknown | 07:11 |
| ShadowJK | Well this filterchain downsamples and then upsamples | 07:12 |
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| AStorm | yes yes | 07:12 |
| AStorm | hm | 07:12 |
| AStorm | mplayer doesn't allow 48kHz output via esd | 07:12 |
| AStorm | is there a way I can force it? | 07:12 |
| AStorm | (to check if it's that exact sound) | 07:13 |
| ShadowJK | heh, it crashes :) | 07:13 |
| AStorm | :1 is still audibly worse than :2 | 07:14 |
| AStorm | but mostly because of increased lowpass to me | 07:14 |
| ShadowJK | yeah it's the integer version of :2 | 07:14 |
| AStorm | nowhere near as bad as :0 ;p | 07:14 |
| ShadowJK | :0 is linear interpolation | 07:14 |
| luke-jr_ | fail | 07:15 |
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| * AStorm switches canola to audio=oms to check | 07:15 | |
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| ShadowJK | man, I'm totally deaf compared to before | 07:16 |
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| AStorm | yes, it's definitely either some kind of linear resampling | 07:17 |
| AStorm | or crappy mp3 decoder | 07:17 |
| AStorm | sounds "rough" a lot | 07:17 |
| AStorm | and noisier | 07:17 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 07:18 |
| ShadowJK | trashy | 07:18 |
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| AStorm | now, the question is... | 07:19 |
| AStorm | whether the original player does that. | 07:19 |
| * AStorm tests | 07:19 | |
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| ShadowJK | lol, try 73737 as the first rate | 07:20 |
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| ShadowJK | ooh | 07:23 |
| * AStorm thinks it will sound crap | 07:23 | |
| AStorm | apparently original player does that too | 07:23 |
| AStorm | meh. | 07:23 |
| ShadowJK | 40517 | 07:23 |
| AStorm | so it's some kind of oms bug | 07:23 |
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| AStorm | or their mp3 decoder | 07:23 |
| AStorm | hmm | 07:24 |
| AStorm | it does sound like linear resampling | 07:24 |
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| AStorm | sans clipping | 07:25 |
| ShadowJK | I think esd at one point was doing something worse than linear | 07:25 |
| AStorm | yes, zero order hold | 07:25 |
| AStorm | but it definitely sounds like linear | 07:25 |
| AStorm | try -af resample=48000:0:0,resample=44100:0:2 | 07:26 |
| AStorm | maybe with -volume 95 | 07:26 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't even know sennheiser had a higher end in-ear range | 07:26 |
| ShadowJK | ooh | 07:27 |
| ShadowJK | What do they sound like? | 07:27 |
| AStorm | hm? | 07:27 |
| ShadowJK | cx300 is kinda harsh and has ludicrous amounts of bass... | 07:27 |
| AStorm | IE-7? close to HD 650 of fullsize | 07:27 |
| AStorm | they do have a bit more of bass, but not the CX 300 kind | 07:28 |
| AStorm | not mid bass | 07:28 |
| AStorm | btw, it sounds like: | 07:28 |
| AStorm | -af volume=-6,resample=48000:0:0,resample=44100:0:2 | 07:28 |
| AStorm | which means the dumb OMS is sending 48kHz | 07:28 |
| AStorm | and esd is doing proper linear resampling | 07:29 |
| AStorm | :-( | 07:29 |
| ShadowJK | ooh that's pretty nasty | 07:29 |
| * AStorm switches audio to mplayer and is happy (almost) again | 07:30 | |
| AStorm | hm. | 07:30 |
| * ShadowJK considered etymotic research for awhile | 07:30 | |
| AStorm | nah, it doesn't sound like that exactly.. | 07:30 |
| AStorm | esp audible on piano | 07:30 |
| AStorm | it's not pure linear | 07:30 |
| AStorm | hmm | 07:30 |
| AStorm | intriguing | 07:31 |
| ShadowJK | It's audible on bells for me | 07:31 |
| AStorm | it is some monkeying after linear | 07:31 |
| AStorm | maybe it's lowpassed linear | 07:31 |
| AStorm | does mplayer have a lowpass filter? | 07:31 |
| AStorm | yes, it does | 07:32 |
| * AStorm tests | 07:32 | |
| AStorm | meh | 07:32 |
| ShadowJK | does resample=40517:0:0,resample=44100:0:2 get close? | 07:32 |
| AStorm | no, that was mp3lame optino | 07:32 |
| AStorm | checking... | 07:33 |
| AStorm | close | 07:33 |
| ShadowJK | this absolutely brutally murders the elfen lied ost | 07:33 |
| AStorm | it's worse though | 07:34 |
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| AStorm | upping to 48000 Hz is worse too | 07:34 |
| ShadowJK | it's same ratio as 48000->44100 | 07:34 |
| AStorm | it's like, someone did linear, then did something afterwards | 07:34 |
| AStorm | maybe it's a quadratic filter? | 07:34 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 07:35 |
| AStorm | it's definitely not cubic | 07:35 |
| AStorm | or if it is, it's broken cubic | 07:35 |
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| AStorm | pity mplayer doesn't have all of them bad resamplers ;p | 07:37 |
| ShadowJK | hehe | 07:37 |
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| microlith | elfen lied has an ost worth listening to? | 07:43 |
| AStorm | microlith: hehe | 07:43 |
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| ShadowJK | it's worth it for the latin | 07:44 |
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| AStorm | I still suspect it's not really the resampler | 07:45 |
| AStorm | but mp3 decoder | 07:45 |
| AStorm | or resampling done in mp3 decoder | 07:45 |
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| AStorm | easy to validate, I'll play a wav file decoded by mplayer vs the mp3 file itself | 07:46 |
| ShadowJK | i thought mplayer was fine | 07:47 |
| AStorm | obviously, mplayer uses more CPU | 07:47 |
| ShadowJK | oh right | 07:47 |
| ShadowJK | nevermind me | 07:47 |
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| AStorm | I have three audio sources on me ;p 1) hda-intel 2) iRivier T20 (oldie) 3) Nokia N810 | 07:48 |
| luke-jr_ | I have zero cuz I'm at home | 07:49 |
| AStorm | ;) | 07:49 |
| * AStorm should also test vs the original | 07:49 | |
| zgold | Is anybody else havign issues connecting to repository.maemo.org ? | 07:49 |
| luke-jr_ | zgold: I eated it for midnight snack. That server was yummy. | 07:50 |
| * AStorm confirms that mplayer does proper decode vs iRivier T20 | 07:50 | |
| zgold | luke-jr_: 'tis down for you too? | 07:51 |
| AStorm | (albeit audio is sub-par for unrelated reasons ;p ) | 07:51 |
| luke-jr_ | zgold: of course, I ate it | 07:51 |
| AStorm | (the reason being bad clipping handling) | 07:51 |
| luke-jr_ | zgold: on the honest side, no, it works fine | 07:52 |
| * AStorm fixes that by dumping volume=-6 to canola mplayer config | 07:52 | |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders how Andre adds versions to multiple products. | 07:53 | |
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| luke-jr_ | ooh I know | 07:53 |
| luke-jr_ | if I buy Windows 7 twice, I can install Windows 14! | 07:53 |
| AStorm | af = volume:-6 to be exact | 07:54 |
| AStorm | luke-jr_: nice idea | 07:54 |
| AStorm | but it's wrong | 07:54 |
| AStorm | 2x 7 = 7 ultimate | 07:54 |
| AStorm | ;p | 07:54 |
| luke-jr_ | lrn2math | 07:54 |
| luke-jr_ | n00b | 07:54 |
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| AStorm | I did | 07:54 |
| RST38h | moo all | 07:54 |
| AStorm | check the prices | 07:54 |
| microlith | no no | 07:54 |
| AStorm | make sure to calculate average inflation | 07:54 |
| microlith | it's windows 49 | 07:54 |
| microlith | after all, 7^2 | 07:54 |
| AStorm | RST38h: meeeeeeh ;) | 07:55 |
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| RST38h | heya AStorm, are you going? | 07:55 |
| AStorm | hm/ | 07:55 |
| AStorm | going where? | 07:55 |
| RST38h | the summit | 07:56 |
| AStorm | hey, I couldn't book the place, for one | 07:56 |
| AStorm | for second, studies | 07:56 |
| AStorm | :/ | 07:56 |
| RST38h | oh | 07:56 |
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| * luke-jr_ watches nobody be able to make it | 07:57 | |
| * AStorm is going to some other conference later though | 07:58 | |
| AStorm | this semester will be hell | 07:58 |
| RST38h | Is this the last one? | 07:58 |
| AStorm | hopefully | 07:58 |
| AStorm | not that it changes anything | 07:59 |
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| * AStorm is doomed likely anyway - one failed exam just before and no other term to pass it apparently | 08:00 | |
| AStorm | a group of us will have to force the professor to make another | 08:00 |
| AStorm | (quite large group too) | 08:01 |
| AStorm | (at least 20 people) | 08:01 |
| AStorm | that's why it will be hell | 08:01 |
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| RST38h | bring in the beer! | 08:05 |
| AStorm | doing that every 2 days... have to limit | 08:05 |
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| RST38h | no, you should do it to the professor =) | 08:06 |
| AStorm | oh, not that kind :-( | 08:06 |
| AStorm | this is a man who likes his job ;p | 08:07 |
| AStorm | and works like a machine | 08:08 |
| RST38h | more than beer? and does not need oiling too? =) | 08:08 |
| luke-jr_ | a broken machine* | 08:08 |
| AStorm | nah, when he's at work, he's at work | 08:08 |
| AStorm | ;p | 08:08 |
| RST38h | AStorm: What is the class subject anyway? | 08:08 |
| AStorm | RST38h: control theory | 08:08 |
| luke-jr_ | RST38h: "How to make a good pizza" | 08:08 |
| * RST38h facepalms | 08:09 | |
| RST38h | How fitting. | 08:09 |
| AStorm | yes, too fitting | 08:09 |
| AStorm | and we're in no position to control the professor | 08:09 |
| AStorm | ;p | 08:09 |
| AStorm | he triggers oscillations in our transfer functinos | 08:10 |
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| AStorm | my problem is that I suck at math ;p (actually, at simplifying equations) | 08:14 |
| RST38h | With 20 people failing the exam, he just has to do a reexamination though... | 08:14 |
| AStorm | no, has not. | 08:14 |
| AStorm | the next term is in february | 08:14 |
| AStorm | BUT that's too late for us | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Why? There are some hard time limits on graduations? | 08:15 |
| AStorm | and we may not be allowed to defend our theses (or whatever they're called) | 08:15 |
| AStorm | because we haven't passed "everything" | 08:15 |
| AStorm | so, yeah | 08:15 |
| AStorm | we're screwed right now | 08:15 |
| AStorm | we'll see how it goes | 08:16 |
| RST38h | It usually costs an extra semester in the US | 08:16 |
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| RST38h | And in Russia they let you take reexamination at the start of the next semester | 08:16 |
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| AStorm | RST38h: yes, exactly | 08:19 |
| AStorm | half a year wasted ;p | 08:19 |
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| AStorm | and I don't know whether I'll have to pay for that | 08:20 |
| AStorm | as in, money ;p | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 08:20 |
| AStorm | moaning | 08:21 |
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| AStorm | oh, right | 08:22 |
| AStorm | I won't have to pay... maybe, if the dean allows a leave | 08:23 |
| AStorm | we'll see | 08:23 |
| RST38h | You can claim being pregnant =) | 08:24 |
| AStorm | damned shall be the faculty for putting such a hard thing on the second to last semester | 08:24 |
| AStorm | ;P | 08:24 |
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| AStorm | 20 people = ~20% of the year | 08:24 |
| AStorm | (a bit more) | 08:24 |
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| RST38h | Means everything will eventually be all right | 08:24 |
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| AStorm | eventually. | 08:25 |
| AStorm | where time -> infinity | 08:25 |
| RST38h | No sane university fails 20% of annual student output | 08:25 |
| AStorm | and money -> 0 | 08:25 |
| AStorm | sure they do | 08:25 |
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| AStorm | the failure is not equivalent to being kicked out | 08:26 |
| AStorm | (unless you fail too much) | 08:26 |
| RST38h | Ah, then you are ok, just need more money | 08:26 |
| AStorm | precisely | 08:26 |
| user__ | any command in xterm or application for lock and the lock widget and home desktop on my n810 diablotin??? | 08:27 |
| AStorm | hm, not. | 08:27 |
| AStorm | there's none I think | 08:27 |
| user__ | hum | 08:28 |
| user__ | i hope... | 08:29 |
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| tigert | uh, windows 7 ad on radio | 08:32 |
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| AStorm | tigert: haha | 08:59 |
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| JosefAssad | um, out of curiosity. What filesystem does maemo use? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | n8x0 it was jffs2 on the internal flash, FAT on the sds | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | on n900 i think ubifs on internal flash, fat, ext2/3 on the sd | 09:24 |
| ab | yes | 09:24 |
| ShadowJK | where internal flash is the 256meg nand | 09:24 |
| ShadowJK | and sd is the internal 32gig thing | 09:25 |
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| AStorm | why ext3? it's mostly pointless damage to sd | 09:26 |
| AStorm | we need btrfs there ;p | 09:26 |
| AStorm | or other log-based or copy-on-write filesystem | 09:26 |
| JosefAssad | ah, ok | 09:26 |
| AStorm | ext2 is ok too, though not as resilient | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: you've obviously never had a ext2 completely destroy itself on sd | 09:26 |
| JosefAssad | thanks Stskeeps | 09:26 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps: sure I had ;p | 09:26 |
| AStorm | just like FAT | 09:27 |
| AStorm | those are old fses | 09:27 |
| Macer | damn touchbook | 09:27 |
| Macer | won't wifi tether to my g1 | 09:27 |
| Macer | piece of shit | 09:27 |
| AStorm | journalled filesystems are unfortunately death to SD cards/chips | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: adhoc though | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 09:27 |
| Macer | yes | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | see, it's a normal problem | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:27 |
| AStorm | unless it's a dancing journal or many split journals | 09:27 |
| Macer | haha | 09:28 |
| Macer | but on this thing even manually didn't work | 09:28 |
| AStorm | the first is reiser4 (ugh, I wouldn't use that) | 09:28 |
| Macer | in mer it did ;) | 09:28 |
| AStorm | the second is xfs | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: any impressions about the device so far? | 09:28 |
| Macer | well... it's OK | 09:28 |
| Macer | the touchscreen sucks | 09:28 |
| Macer | and is very inaccurate | 09:28 |
| AStorm | so, from stable filesystems, xfs might be the best choice | 09:28 |
| JosefAssad | so given that ubifs is in the mainline kernel, one would be able to mount a maemo device over a USB cable on a PC, no? | 09:28 |
| AStorm | and since we have battery backing laready... | 09:28 |
| Macer | the defaul tuser thing kind of sucks | 09:28 |
| AStorm | ;p | 09:28 |
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| Macer | other than that.. it's not bad | 09:29 |
| Macer | battery life really is good | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: does it tip? | 09:29 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: yes | 09:29 |
| Macer | hehe | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | JosefAssad: there's provisions to mount MyDocs over USB | 09:29 |
| Macer | it is top heavy | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: ah, sucks | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | needs a stand | 09:29 |
| Macer | i think they are sending out plastic support tabs | 09:29 |
| Macer | yeah.. that too | 09:29 |
| JosefAssad | Stskeeps: ah, now the whole filesystem? | 09:29 |
| Macer | if the tablet had a stand that would be great | 09:29 |
| JosefAssad | s/now/not/ | 09:29 |
| infobot | JosefAssad meant: Stskeeps: ah, not the whole filesystem? | 09:29 |
| Macer | but right now the adhoc networking is killing me | 09:29 |
| * JosefAssad pets infobot | 09:29 | |
| Macer | maybe it's dhcpcd | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | JosefAssad: there's an issue with exporting things over USB, - you can't use the fs at same time | 09:30 |
| Macer | and dhclient will work | 09:30 |
| RST38h | --= KILLED BY ADHOC NETWORKING =-- | 09:30 |
| JosefAssad | Stskeeps: Ah, ok. Known thing. | 09:30 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps: that's because they're using usb gadget module | 09:30 |
| AStorm | which is... a bit underfeatured | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: the guy who wrote omap2-dsp for pulseaudio left the company it seems btw, not sure if i told you :P | 09:31 |
| AStorm | oh fork | 09:31 |
| * JosefAssad supposes sshd on the maemo device and sshfs on the laptop will do the trick | 09:31 | |
| AStorm | so we now have no working dsp there? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: we have working ALSA but pulseaudio barfs on it | 09:31 |
| AStorm | s/working/broken/ | 09:31 |
| infobot | AStorm meant: so we now have no broken dsp there? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | someone needs to sit down and fix the plugin :/ | 09:31 |
| AStorm | infobot: NOT WHAT I MEANT! ;p | 09:32 |
| AStorm | hehe | 09:32 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps: or rather, fix ALSA support | 09:32 |
| RST38h | Sts: I have strong suspicions that in actual Fremantle PulseAudio talks to hw directly | 09:32 |
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| AStorm | why wouldn't it? they likely have an "omap2-dsp-like" module | 09:33 |
| AStorm | unfortunately, audio interface is different enough | 09:33 |
| AStorm | so it won't do owners of n8x0 much good | 09:34 |
| AStorm | heck, if there was a way to just have a simple mmapped buffer | 09:34 |
| AStorm | with one call to send it to the card | 09:34 |
| AStorm | we'd have the plugin done in no time | 09:35 |
| AStorm | unfortunately, n8x0 dsp interface is obscure | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | not really | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | PCM protocol is quite simple | 09:47 |
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| AStorm | orly | 09:48 |
| AStorm | so why don't we have a working omap2-dsp plugin yet? | 09:48 |
| * RST38h goes back to basics and writes a SEGA MegaDrive game | 09:48 | |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: cos noone knows pulse API? | 09:48 |
| AStorm | hehe | 09:48 |
| AStorm | so the plugin itself is ok? | 09:49 |
| AStorm | pulse api is trivial (compared to ALSA pcm plugin api) | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | it is OK but it is broken completely | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | it just needs a nice hand | 09:49 |
| AStorm | broken how? | 09:49 |
| AStorm | lacking an update to 0.9.18? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | segfaults after we moved it to new api | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:49 |
| AStorm | oh, so you couldn't port it | 09:49 |
| AStorm | how funnny | 09:49 |
| * AStorm will fix it | 09:49 | |
| AStorm | but, later. | 09:49 |
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| johnx | Jaffa: poke | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | lo johnx | 09:55 |
| johnx | hey | 09:55 |
| johnx | got 15 minutes of wifi | 09:55 |
| johnx | anyone here from jaffa? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: 11 mins ago he said he was at schipol with rsperberg | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | on twitter | 09:56 |
| johnx | thanks | 09:56 |
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| aSIMULAter | hi | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | jaffa2: At Schipol airport with rsperberg and paid for a high-speed supplement we're not going to use #maesum | 09:57 |
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| Stskeeps | wello | 09:57 |
| aSIMULAter | i have my passport, boarding pass and 2 cats in my suitcase | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | cats? | 09:58 |
| suihkulokki | *purr* | 09:58 |
| johnx | if you see him on IRC, tell him we'll wait here until 9:10 at the delifrance | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, found rm_you? | 09:59 |
| johnx | yup | 09:59 |
| johnx | here with fiferboy and rm_you | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | good | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | intending to show up at that bar tonight? | 10:01 |
| johnx | yeah | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | k | 10:01 |
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| * Stskeeps verifies he has his mer stickers | 10:04 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: i'll meet up with lbt and tomaszd and i'll personally be around the hotel at 5pm for a meeting | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | (arriving at 2pm) | 10:06 |
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| LoCusF | are there any live video feeds from Maemo Summit? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | not sure but it will be recorded | 10:19 |
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| RST38h | Sts: As an almost-local, could you tell where and which SIM card should I buy at AMS to get 3-4 days of data access for reasonable fee? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i'm living in poland and i'm danish, not dutch, so no idea. the others took a 30 EUR Vodafone thing though | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | if you find more about it, do tell me | 10:27 |
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| Addison0 | Greetings all! :) | 10:27 |
| RST38h | Sts: Got it | 10:27 |
| RST38h | So Vodafone will run for e30... | 10:28 |
| Addison0 | Hey guys, I screwed something up on my tablet and I'm now running two desktops. Anyone got a moment to help me out? | 10:28 |
| RST38h | it must be a feature =) | 10:29 |
| Addison0 | I typed kill hildon-desktop as root in Xterm and I have no idea what to do next. | 10:29 |
| RST38h | try running hildon-desktop now | 10:29 |
| Addison0 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=341622&postcount=1116 | 10:29 |
| Addison0 | Okay RST. | 10:29 |
| Addison0 | Wait, what do you mean try running hildon-desktop? | 10:30 |
| aSIMULAter | <Stskeeps> RST38h: i'm living in poland and i'm danish, not dutch, so no idea. <-- lul :P | 10:30 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps: lol wut | 10:30 |
| * RST38h naively assumed that all the EU cell phone companies are the same everywhere | 10:31 | |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: moved to poland last month, warsaw | 10:31 |
| AStorm | and we haven't met yet? how... typical? ;p | 10:32 |
| RST38h | heh | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm up for a beer after summit :P | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | or vodka, for that sake | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, i gotta go to the airport | 10:32 |
| RST38h | which reminds me... | 10:33 |
| Addison0 | Hey RST38h, I typed hildon-desktop as root and now I have three desktops. :( | 10:34 |
| RST38h | umgh | 10:34 |
| RST38h | ok | 10:34 |
| RST38h | killall hildon-desktop | 10:34 |
| Addison0 | Don't think I can.... No screen display anymore. The extra desktop took over everythin. | 10:35 |
| RST38h | Just reboot | 10:35 |
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| AStorm | hahaha | 10:36 |
| Addison0 | Rebooting... | 10:36 |
| AStorm | interesting | 10:36 |
| AStorm | more desktops | 10:36 |
| AStorm | it sounded like his n just grew another screen | 10:36 |
| Addison0 | Okay. I'm back to good again! Thanks! | 10:37 |
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| * RST38h sighs | 10:37 | |
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| Addison0 | Sorry, I rebooted before and I still had two desktops. | 10:37 |
| Addison0 | I didn't think that rebooting a second time would do anything different. | 10:37 |
| tigert | ooh, new hermes version | 10:37 |
| * tigert tests | 10:37 | |
| Addison0 | Thanks RST38h! :) | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Design Starting For Matter-Antimatter Collider | 10:40 |
| RST38h | (you know how it will end =)) | 10:40 |
| tigert | sweet | 10:43 |
| tigert | lotsa birthdays now in addressbook =) | 10:43 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: looks like accented chars dont get matche | 10:52 |
| tigert | d | 10:52 |
| tigert | I have a friend with surname "Isomäki" (a+dots) | 10:52 |
| tigert | and it doesnt get matched | 10:52 |
| aol_ | what's wrong with this line? "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle/extras-devel free non-free" | 10:53 |
| tigert | fremantle/extras-devel | 10:53 |
| tigert | afaik? | 10:53 |
| tigert | should be just fremantle | 10:54 |
| tigert | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free | 10:55 |
| tigert | Jaffa: another case I found is where a persons name was just in nickname field | 10:57 |
| tigert | I wonder if it came from my N95 when I synced contacts from there | 10:57 |
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| tigert | so it didnt match Nickname: John Doe - I wonder how common those cases are and how they happen | 10:58 |
| suihkulokki | tigert: appears to come from gtalk contacts | 10:59 |
| tigert | ah right | 10:59 |
| * tigert would love a swiss army utility tool for contacts :) | 11:00 | |
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| tigert | wait | 11:00 |
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| Pavlov | mhm | 11:14 |
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| aol_ | has anyone been successful in getting Qt to use OpenGL ES 2 in x86 target ? | 11:15 |
| aol_ | seems like the x86 tries to use opengl 1 | 11:15 |
| LoCusF | where does the fennec beta 4 save its downloaded files? | 11:15 |
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| Pavlov | MyDocs/.documents, iirc | 11:16 |
| LoCusF | thanks, that it was :) | 11:17 |
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| aol_ | just define QT_OPENGL_ES_2 ? | 11:17 |
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| aol_ | Ok it compiles with define QT_OPENGL_ES_2, but I can't see the OpenGL ES2 stuff on xephyr for reason or another :( | 11:22 |
| Pavlov | how is amsterdam today? | 11:23 |
| brbrbr | smoky ? :) | 11:24 |
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| tigert | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muCPjK4nGY4 | 12:15 |
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| Macer | blah | 12:18 |
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| Macer | ntpd support is not installed? | 12:18 |
| Macer | wtf kind of crap is that? :) | 12:18 |
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| tigert | in N900? | 12:25 |
| frals | should be possible to compile it and launch it from commandline? | 12:26 |
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| koala_man | tigert: omg, awesome | 12:29 |
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| Macer | no | 12:34 |
| Macer | angstrom | 12:34 |
| Macer | touchbook | 12:35 |
| Macer | i'm just happy the damn thing decided it wanted to work with my phone otherwise i'd be kind of pissed :) | 12:35 |
| Macer | that would suck | 12:35 |
| Macer | plays video great | 12:35 |
| Macer | does a little light compositing | 12:35 |
| Macer | like true transparent terminals | 12:35 |
| Macer | it isn't half bad | 12:36 |
| Macer | once i figure out the easiest way to add an actual user to it | 12:36 |
| Macer | it will be a lot better | 12:36 |
| Macer | hm | 12:37 |
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| wazd | heya everyone | 12:44 |
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| ensi | you guys know about EBook? i get a static list of contacts with e_book_query_any_field_contains("") and i get the list fine | 12:45 |
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| adeus | and | 12:45 |
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| ensi | so what does the list contain? I tried casting the objects in the list to EContact* but this doesnt work. But do I have to do some kind of g_object cast? | 12:46 |
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| adeus | mmm | 12:47 |
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| adeus | if you query they should be EContact*:s | 12:47 |
| ensi | ok let me double check my code | 12:48 |
| adeus | ebook object, equery object, and then econtact | 12:48 |
| adeus | ebookquery | 12:48 |
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| juke_ | hi | 12:50 |
| juke_ | is n900 support w3C geolocation api ? | 12:51 |
| user_ | hi all, can the n810 play hd youtube using mplayer + mytube? | 12:51 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 12:52 |
| ensi | adeus: hmm so i have EBookContact* contact = (EBookContact*)g_list_nth(list, index); | 12:53 |
| Khertan_ | No one have made yet a google calendar of the schedule ? or maybe a ics ? | 12:53 |
| Khertan_ | i mean of the maemo summit | 12:53 |
| adeus | ensi, pastebin | 12:53 |
| ensi | adeus: doing g_object_get(contact, "some-property", &prop, NULL); prints a glib warning in the terminal | 12:53 |
| ensi | "GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_get: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' faile" | 12:53 |
| ensi | adeus: no can do | 12:54 |
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| adeus | the ebook opens properly? | 12:55 |
| ensi | yeah | 12:55 |
| ensi | i get the list and it has the size expected | 12:56 |
| ensi | i have osso_init, osso_abook_init, e_book_blabla_new_system_addressbook and e_book_open no problems | 12:56 |
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| adeus | I've just used ebook_get_contacts | 12:58 |
| adeus | which returns a glist | 12:58 |
| ensi | yes thats what i use | 12:58 |
| ensi | with a EBookQuery | 12:59 |
| adeus | then g_contact = (EContact*)(g_contacts->data); | 12:59 |
| user_ | not sure if something is wrong with my 810 | 12:59 |
| ensi | adeus: its not working of course the cast succeeds but glib says the contact is not a g object | 13:02 |
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| adeus | ensi, http://pastebin.ca/1603800 | 13:06 |
| adeus | a shortshort example | 13:06 |
| adeus | if that doesn't work, then there might be something else wrong than the ebook code.. | 13:06 |
| adeus | and I have no idea if this is different in fremantle | 13:07 |
| ensi | aha | 13:08 |
| ensi | i think the problem is that im trying to access the properties with g_object_get | 13:08 |
| ensi | although imho a EContact is a also a gobject | 13:09 |
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| ensi | heh no i get | 13:11 |
| ensi | libebook - e_contact_get: assertion `contact && E_IS_CONTACT (contact)' failed | 13:11 |
| adeus | don't worry, I also head some serious head aches even with that a while back :) | 13:12 |
| adeus | for example the osso libs won't compile with c++ | 13:13 |
| ensi | yeah i discovered this few days ago | 13:13 |
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| ensi | hmm dunno | 13:16 |
| ensi | i'm at my wits end | 13:16 |
| ensi | nokia seems to continue where they left off with symbian | 13:16 |
| ensi | i.e. doing dev for their phones means asking for pain | 13:17 |
| adeus | well ebook is gnome stuff | 13:17 |
| ensi | yeah it is | 13:17 |
| ensi | but lib-osso-book (which is very badly documented imho) and *should* be used instead of libebook comes from nokia | 13:17 |
| adeus | there's a document to it? :) | 13:18 |
| ensi | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso-abook/index.html | 13:18 |
| adeus | I think I gave up immediately when I saw some enums used c-style | 13:19 |
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| ensi | aw fucks sake | 13:26 |
| ensi | i think i got the problem now | 13:26 |
| ensi | g_list_nth doesn't return the object at that index but the f*n list itself | 13:26 |
| ensi | yeah | 13:27 |
| ensi | thats it1 | 13:27 |
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| RST38h | ehlo all | 13:49 |
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| ccooke | afternoon | 13:50 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya | 14:29 |
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| ensi | does this ring a bell "Error: bad instruction `decl [r2,#0]'" | 14:46 |
| ensi | building a qt application | 14:46 |
| ensi | compiles ok when target is FREMANTLE_x86 | 14:46 |
| ensi | just when changing the target to FREMANTLE_ARMEL it barfs | 14:46 |
| adeus | is your arm version correct | 14:47 |
| adeus | aka the cross compiler version | 14:47 |
| Dantonic | anyone here boot from flash? | 14:48 |
| Dantonic | from SD card I mean | 14:48 |
| ensi | gcc --version | 14:48 |
| ensi | sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.2.1 | 14:48 |
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| adeus | just looking at the error it looks like it's creating code for the wrong arm | 14:49 |
| Dantonic | how do I unmount my mmc2 card? when I use: "sudo umount /media/mmc2" I get am error "Device or resource busy" | 14:51 |
| adeus | is someone using it? | 14:53 |
| adeus | sudo fuser /media/mmc2 | 14:53 |
| Dantonic | adeus, that command returns nothing | 14:55 |
| Dantonic | just goeas to another prompt | 14:55 |
| Dantonic | does that mean no one is using it? | 14:55 |
| adeus | well, yes | 14:56 |
| adeus | asuming the command works | 14:56 |
| Dantonic | =/ | 14:56 |
| adeus | lsof lists file handles, maybe grep that list as well | 14:56 |
| Dantonic | basically I just want to re-copy the os that I have on the N800s flash memory, my original installation, back onto the SD card. my current installation became corrupt or something | 14:57 |
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| Dantonic | well I'll try in the morning | 15:01 |
| Dantonic | nn | 15:01 |
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| Anonymous | # Appears as TIKI | 15:11 |
| Anonymous | (#G010E210M1) SOUND Flourish.mid | 15:12 |
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| ccooke | wow, not seen *that* abomination in a while | 15:12 |
| suihkulokki | it is still possible to download ms comic chat from somewhere? :-o | 15:13 |
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| ccooke | suihkulokki: that is not dead that can eternal linger on abandoned app sites | 15:14 |
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| dimir | haha | 15:20 |
| dimir | What the fsck was that? Some MSN extension or what? | 15:21 |
| ccooke | ms comic chat | 15:21 |
| dimir | heh. | 15:21 |
| ccooke | go look it up if you have the SAN points to spare | 15:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhhh. I did something in my C code and now, at some point all my buttons don't un-press anymore (they remain pressed) and there's lots of runtime errors like GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed | 15:25 |
| Shapeshifter | any clues from this vague description? >.> | 15:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | In my main function, I connect a button click to another function and I pass a struct as Data, with one of the members being the pointer to the main window, and another member being a pointer to a CURL *curl. I need the main window pointer because the function called from main displays a banner. This part seems to work without problems. But then if I do info->curl = login_to_site(info->curl); in the function (login_to_site returning a ... | 15:39 |
| Shapeshifter | ... *curl), gtk craps out and loses touch to the button or something. The button remains clicked and doesn't react anymore. the rest of the app continues working. | 15:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | ok, it seems like the crap out happens as soon as the subfunction does curl = curl_easy_init(); | 15:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | really weird | 15:42 |
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| Macer | ok | 16:32 |
| Macer | i think i'm about to give up on this touchbook unless i can find another WORKING os for it | 16:32 |
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| clmntch | i need to find a way to get rid of all of these part/join messages | 17:07 |
| timeless | what irc client | 17:08 |
| timeless | you typically want "conference" mode | 17:08 |
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| Macer | wow | 17:09 |
| clmntch | i found it | 17:09 |
| Macer | this damn touchbook seems fail | 17:10 |
| clmntch | i'm using irssi | 17:10 |
| Macer | at least the os does | 17:10 |
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| timeless | quit | 17:13 |
| timeless | /ignore * join part | 17:14 |
| timeless | seems to work | 17:14 |
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| mtc | is there an IRC channel for the summit? | 17:17 |
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| mtc | will the talks be recorded and where can we find them online? | 17:17 |
| mtc | or better - any plans to do live streaming? | 17:18 |
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| mtc | am reading the maemo wiki - but not seeing specifics | 17:18 |
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| clmntch | hrm that didn't work | 17:20 |
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| Myrtti | ahihihi the community mailing list just *CRACKS* me up | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | i tried to install python-hildon in fremantle final sdk with apt-get for x86 target | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | and it doesn't exist | 17:28 |
| zaheerm | is it in a different repo to normal? | 17:28 |
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| lizardo | zaheerm: it should have been there , do you have extras-devel in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 17:29 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, nope | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | Af'noon from Amsterdam | 17:31 |
| zaheerm | Jaffa, is it cold? | 17:31 |
| zaheerm | my flight gets there tomorrow morning | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Afternoon! | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | zaheerm: It's warm in the sun, but cool breeze | 17:32 |
| zaheerm | Jaffa, great to hear the sun is out | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Improving both of those issues should b pssible | 17:32 |
| lizardo | zaheerm: well, you need it ;) | 17:33 |
| zaheerm | lizardo, thx am adding it now | 17:33 |
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| mtc | for anyone in the USA unable to make the summit, there is a GNOME Summit in Boston at MIT this weekend | 17:37 |
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| Captain_Picard | is the releasedate out YET?! | 17:39 |
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| * wazd is too dumb to install SDK :( | 17:42 | |
| timeless | hi | 17:42 |
| * timeless still needs a place to crash | 17:42 | |
| timeless | someone mentioned someone a while ago | 17:42 |
| timeless | is everyone basically staying downtown and using transit to get to the event? | 17:43 |
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| timeless | wazd, stick to mer ;) | 17:44 |
| wazd | timeless: hah :) | 17:44 |
| wazd | timeless: somehow scratchbox instalation script does nothing | 17:44 |
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| wazd | it says "everything is OK" and exits | 17:45 |
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| timeless | seriously | 17:47 |
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| wazd | timeless: well, I have lots of stuff to do in both fields :) | 17:47 |
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| timeless | i have a list of things from fremantle that need replacing :) | 17:51 |
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| wazd | timeless: I'm graphics only guy :) | 17:52 |
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| user_ | where is the ultimate patch for drag lock home applet??? | 18:10 |
| Honeyman | Hi all. After some playing with Fremantle SDK (yes I know, sounds silly), some widgets lost their textual representation; for example, the time widget now displays "wdgt_va_24h_time". Maybe, it is the only clock widget who is broken, as the other interface seems good. Seems like only the translation is broken. Any hint which files could be affected/what package could be reinstalled, or something? | 18:14 |
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| user_ | where is the ultimate patch for drag lock home applet??? please | 18:17 |
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| toggles_w | user_: http://qwerty12.qole.org/hildon-desktop/ ? | 18:28 |
| user_ | yes i find the 3 files...but nothing can be installed properly...you have a tricks? | 18:28 |
| toggles_w | nope, sorry | 18:29 |
| user_ | ok... | 18:30 |
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| Hoxzer | Total of 354 nicks <- wow O_O | 18:36 |
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| Hoxzer | Do you guys believe that android has any way of competing with maemo when it comes to third party drivers and software ? | 18:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Time will tell | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Ask again in 2012. | 18:38 |
| Hoxzer | well, they both have been released | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo 5 hasn't. | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | well - released to users | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Compare the number of available android apps, and maemo5. | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | android wins totally at the moment | 18:39 |
| Hoxzer | Personally I see maemo as a lot more linux desktop a like than android. For example android is lacking GNU C libary and seems to have no direct ports from linux desktop machines | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | And what do you mean by drivers? | 18:39 |
| Hoxzer | SpeedEvil: well. For example fuse | 18:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Maemo is more or less regular old Linux. | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | You can use any - in principle - linux software. | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | you may need to port it to get it to display sanely - and get it looking pretty. | 18:40 |
| Hoxzer | ok, so I can basically run irssi locally ? | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or BitchX, or ..... | 18:41 |
| Hoxzer | :-) | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | you can even let other people ssh in and use their own copy of irssi | 18:41 |
| Hoxzer | I'm telling you. this is too awsome. Wonder if Su8w keyboard will be supported out of the box | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It is very awesome. | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Su8w? | 18:41 |
| Hoxzer | SpeedEvil: bluetooth keyboard made by nokia | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I disagree it's too awesome. | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's being weird about Bluetooth keyboards in Maemo 5. | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | For some reason they seem to have decided they're no longer a valid use-case. | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | and removed official support | 18:42 |
| Hoxzer | :o | 18:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Bluetooth stack is just BlueZ, though, so it's not really a real issue. | 18:43 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs random marketoid decisions. | 18:43 | |
| Hoxzer | Well, I guess it is possible for community to program drivers for it O_o | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, the whole "let's kill all of the ctrl shortcuts and make the arrow keys not work in random places" thing is their fault, too. | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 18:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hoxzer, like I said, it's just BlueZ. | 18:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | One of the BlueZ devs has a talk at the Summit about just that. | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Same philosophy that removed find next/last from / searching on firefox. | 18:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, ctrl-l would make a fantastic shortcut in the browser for entering a URL when you're in fullscreen. | 18:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But, nooooo, we can't have that. | 18:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't even use the arrow keys on the awesome bar. | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there live streaming of the summit? | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 18:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's more fun is that the enter key is actually KP_Enter | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | So typing things in on the SDK is super fun. :D | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno that there'll be bandwidth for live streaming | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should all be being recorded, however. | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | and there'll probably be live IRC transcripts for most stuff. ;) | 18:45 |
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| zaheerm | is it possible to write transparent desktop widgets? | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | the OSM conference was good that way - live streaming mostly worked | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | (openstreetmap) | 18:47 |
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| zaheerm | i ported an app i wrote from gnome to be a desktop widget in fremantle, but it lost its transparency behaviour | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, sure. | 18:47 |
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| zaheerm | it doesn't help that i can't see documentation of HildonHomePluginItem | 18:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zaheerm, I'm unable to recall off-hand what the exact procedure is, but this may help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe this more specifically: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_Desktop_Widgets | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You may also want to take a look at this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/personal-gprs-mon/ | 18:50 |
| zaheerm | GeneralAntilles, thx a lot! | 18:50 |
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| wazd | FFFFFUUUU ALLL!!!! | 18:55 |
| wazd | I mean heya | 18:55 |
| qwerty12 | SUCK MY BALLS | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Erm, I mean hi | 18:56 |
| wazd | qwerty12: common typo :D | 18:56 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, I mean, the keys are so near each other. WTF? :p | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reenacting http://bash.org quotes is NOT COOL. | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles == not cool | 18:57 |
| qwerty12 | Go piss off to one of Florida's many swamp pits. :p | 18:58 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: you seriously think that I've read whole zillion of bash.org quotes? You're right :D | 18:59 |
| * qwerty12 admits to the same crime as wazd :( | 18:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a friend whose freshman roommate narrated most of them to him over the course of a semester. | 18:59 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: oh my :) | 19:00 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: in voice-over? :D | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | Thank God this was an narration and not a reenactment | 19:00 |
| qwerty12 | *a | 19:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the lack of Thanks on Talk. | 19:01 | |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: If you need some more laughs, I can remove my Thanks from your posts | 19:01 |
| wazd | new SDK doesn't like me :( | 19:01 |
| wazd | scratchbox install file does nothing | 19:02 |
| qwerty12 | wazd: elaborate, please :p | 19:03 |
| * SpeedEvil gets out his wizard robe and hat. | 19:03 | |
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| wazd | well | 19:04 |
| qwerty12 | SpeedEvil: Role-play? You want #cybersex... | 19:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, isn't the VMWare image out yet? | 19:04 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I saw Quim posted bout it but there's none on it's homepage | 19:04 |
| * qwerty12 laughs at all you people wanting VMware images. Installing Xubuntu and the SDK only took an hour in VMware | 19:05 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's what I did. | 19:05 |
| wazd | qwerty12: fffuuuuu :D | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, what are you installing on? | 19:05 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: VMWare ubuntu | 19:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the trouble? | 19:05 |
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| wazd | qwerty12: You'll take centiry to draw 64x64 icon :P | 19:05 |
| wazd | century* | 19:05 |
| qwerty12 | I can draw a circle! | 19:06 |
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| qwerty12 | mspaint FTW | 19:06 |
| wazd | I follow installation instructions | 19:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, OK, pastebin the error. :P | 19:06 |
| wazd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation <- that one | 19:07 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: wait a sec | 19:08 |
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| wazd_ | tadam | 19:09 |
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| qwerty12 | iwazd? | 19:10 |
| uwazd | http://pastebin.com/m685a56db | 19:10 |
| uwazd | "What do you want from meeee?!!!!" cry not helped :) | 19:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | uwazd, lines 29-33 you'll want to follow. | 19:11 |
| uwazd | ooooooh! | 19:12 |
| uwazd | It does something! :D | 19:12 |
| uwazd | GeneralAntilles: have you solved your documents problems? | 19:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | uwazd, inasmuch as my passport is getting here Monday. <_< | 19:13 |
| uwazd | GeneralAntilles: :( | 19:13 |
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| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: Use the passport to buy some nukes from another country and utilize it against the pricks who fucked up | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | *the nukes | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, sadly that wont get me to the Summit this year. :( | 19:14 |
| qwerty12 | Gah, I can't type for shit | 19:14 |
| uwazd | qwerty12: easy to say for a person without any passport :D | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | True :( | 19:15 |
| clmntch | hrm | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | uwazd: Yes, but not having a passport is my fault :p | 19:15 |
| uwazd | GeneralAntilles: well, I hope there will be some another event during first half of next year so we can partici[ate :) | 19:15 |
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| uwazd | qwerty12: if you won't be ready before it - I'll say my friend Roman to take care of you :D | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | At the very least I'm planning on trying to arrange a meetup in Canada in the March/April/May timeframe. | 19:17 |
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| qwerty12 | uwazd: :D | 19:17 |
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| panaggio | will maesum have any official video streaming channel or something? | 19:20 |
| uwazd | panaggio: only dove mail | 19:21 |
| uwazd | panaggio: I think not | 19:21 |
| uwazd | panaggio: cause there will be a lot of stuff going on same time | 19:21 |
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| Corsac | hhmh, is “maemo sdk+” a viable solution for maemo 5 sdk? | 19:23 |
| panaggio | uwazd: (*may be a dumb question) what's dove mail? | 19:24 |
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| wazd | panaggio: same as pigeon :) | 19:25 |
| Corsac | Failed to fetch http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/download/host/pool/debian-lenny/free/source/maemo-sdk-libs_0.9.35.tar.gz 404 Not Found | 19:27 |
| Corsac | mpf. | 19:27 |
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| panaggio | uwazd: dove mail == pigeon post? (probably it's still a dumb question) | 19:28 |
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| wazd | panaggio: dude :D | 19:29 |
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| wazd | panaggio: btw, I think there will be IRC casts | 19:30 |
| panaggio | wazd: better than nothing =) | 19:31 |
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| mtc | is there a specific microblogging tag that is being used for the summit? | 19:32 |
| panaggio | mtc: #maesum | 19:32 |
| mtc | ty | 19:32 |
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| Honeyman | Maybe I am missing something, but seems like if you are building a python extension (Architecture: any) for Fremantle and use cdbs, there is a bug in Fremantle cdbs (=0.4.52-maemo2) which calls the system default Python (2.3)) even for building scripts which require higher Python version (XS-Python-Version: >= 2.4) | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | CDBS is a bug | 19:38 |
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| Honeyman | qwerty12: We need to persuade Numpy authors | 19:39 |
| qwerty12 | Not sure how to do it properly in CDBS without wanting to kill yourself, but get it to invoke python2.5 directly (scratchbox redirects python to its own internal version) | 19:39 |
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| Honeyman | I am trying to port Numpy to Maemo. | 19:40 |
| Honeyman | Mostly succeeded. If I create a temporary redirect from "python" to python2.5 | 19:40 |
| wazd_ | is youtube down? | 19:40 |
| Honeyman | But I bet one shouldn't do that in a proper package, should one? | 19:41 |
| Honeyman | wazd: Up for me | 19:41 |
| qwerty12 | Honeyman: Don't worry, Scratchbox is far from perfect... | 19:41 |
| wazd | Honeyman: hmmm | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I read that as "IRC castes" for some reason. | 19:41 |
| Honeyman | qwerty12: hey... | 19:42 |
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| Honeyman | do you mean that in proper Fremantle, there will be python2.5 as a default? | 19:42 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: why not :D | 19:42 |
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| qwerty12 | Honeyman: Not by default, no, but you will be able to install it on a device and have /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.5 because there is no scratchbox to annoy | 19:43 |
| qwerty12 | Honeyman: In some CDBS packages, I've used the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE to tell it to stop redirecting python, but I've also had to play with $PATH because the folder in which scratchbox's Python resides appears before /usr/bin/ | 19:44 |
| qwerty12 | s/SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE/SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE variable/ | 19:44 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: Honeyman: In some CDBS packages, I've used the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE variable to tell it to stop redirecting python, but I've also had to play with $PATH because the folder in which scratchbox's Python resides appears before /usr/bin/ | 19:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, you can be our first untouchable. :P | 19:46 |
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| qwerty12 | Red Pill mode FTW | 19:48 |
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| Honeyman | qwerty12: that is, it is possible that it doesn't build on my scratchbox but perfectly builds on autobuilder, isn't it? | 19:50 |
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| angasuleWork | hmm, the user list is rather large for irssi heh | 19:51 |
| qwerty12 | Honeyman: Well, the Autobuilder uses Scratchbox too... | 19:51 |
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| Honeyman | qwerty12: then... I don't know :( Can we play with the PATH right in the debian/rules? | 19:54 |
| qwerty12 | Honeyman: I do it like this: http://pastebin.com/d531dee74 | 19:55 |
| wazd_ | oh, it's done! | 19:55 |
| Honeyman | But that doesn't help too. /scratchbox/tools/bin/python is 2.3, but /usr/bin/python is 2.3 too | 19:55 |
| qwerty12 | /usr/bin/python is being redirected to /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 19:56 |
| Honeyman | qwerty12: by the scratchbox means? | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | If you've got the python2.5 package installed, export those variables in Scratchbox at the shell and notice the /usr/bin/python version then | 19:57 |
| qwerty12 | Yep | 19:57 |
| Honeyman | O_o how do they do that? I just realized it. | 19:57 |
| Honeyman | ls -la /usr/bin/python gives /usr/bin/python -> python2.5, but /usr/bin/python gives python2.3 | 19:58 |
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| Honeyman | qwerty12: thanks a lot. The package seems building with little to none changes from the Debian one. | 20:00 |
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| clmntch | is there going to be some sort of composite manager on fremantle? | 20:01 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, in the scratchbox tools, which part exactly are opensource? | 20:07 |
| Corsac | rah, scratchbox-1.0.17.tar.gz has a debian/ folder but it's just unusable | 20:08 |
| Corsac | no way anyone can build something with it | 20:08 |
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| Honeyman | Anybody has an idea where one can find /usr/share/python/python.mk in Fremantle? Or if is there any page for the repositories, where you can search a package for a file. | 20:12 |
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| Honeyman | In Debian, it goes in "python" package | 20:13 |
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| Honeyman | Anyone occasionally have the /usr/share/python/python.mk installed? If so, from what package does it go? | 20:22 |
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| rm_you | Stskeeps: yo? | 20:23 |
| rm_you | Jaffa: yo? | 20:24 |
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| rm_you | anyone in amsterdam: yo? | 20:24 |
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| wazd_ | I'm 1 step away from seing maemo 5 | 20:25 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: Everyone in Amsterdam is either in a coffee shop or the other areas of the Red Light District. So, I'd look there first... | 20:25 |
| wazd_ | af-sb-init.sh start <- command not found | 20:25 |
| rm_you | so.... where do we go to find them? | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_: add maemo-binaries repository and apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps | 20:26 |
| rm_you | what coffee shop | 20:26 |
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| * qwerty12 should've added an "I'm taking the piss, I'm a prick" tag | 20:27 | |
| wazd_ | qwerty12it says "couldn't find package | 20:27 |
| wazd_ | let the vandersexxx begin! | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Woo, my passport is here! | 20:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles slow clap. | 20:28 | |
| qwerty12 | wazd: "Until we hear the safe word, we will not stop." | 20:28 |
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| wazd_ | qwerty12 what sould I do to make it find packages? :) | 20:29 |
| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: you still have the time to pack your bags :D | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | wazd: A sec, looking for the goddam link... | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | wazd: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, slot's been taken, room's been taken, tickets are cancelled. | 20:30 |
| qwerty12 | wazd: Accept it, add the repository and then fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha! http://talk.maemo.org/tags.php?tag=joe+v.+the+volcano | 20:31 |
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| wazd_ | GeneralAntilles: bad luck :( | 20:32 |
| microlith | I like that tag :D | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only 28 hours too late. | 20:32 |
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| wazd_ | qwerty12: quick manual for vi? :D | 20:33 |
| Corsac | :wq | 20:33 |
| rm_you | someone help me find the name of the coffe shop where people are | 20:34 |
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| qwerty12 | wazd_: I barely know it myself... 'i' in the keyboard to go into insert mode, Escape to get out of it, and Shift-ZZ to quit and save | 20:35 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: ? :) | 20:35 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12: nm, already found it :) | 20:35 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: Sorry, I was taking the piss.. Tried Twitter? :) | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, the one that's built-in. | 20:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, people where mentioning a park in the mailing list. | 20:36 |
| rm_you | on n800. assistance appreciated? :) | 20:36 |
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| cz8s | hi, can anybody tell me if i can mirror repository.maemo.org ? and how ? | 20:39 |
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| wazd_ | still command not found | 20:43 |
| qwerty12 | wazd_: OK, after saving the new sources.list, did you apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps ? | 20:44 |
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| rm_you | alright, cant figure out where people are... heading back to hotel lobby in hopes of finding someone eldse more in-the-loop than myself | 20:46 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12: all ok, slow but it's running :) | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, qole should be online. | 20:49 |
| rm_you | hrm, my AIM isnt workin | 20:49 |
| rm_you | and he doesnt irc | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | 20:50 | |
| * pupnik is excited for tomorrow | 20:50 | |
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| wazd_ | weeee :) | 20:50 |
| pupnik | cz8s, google: mirror debian repository | 20:51 |
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| pupnik | or "how do i download the internet?" | 20:52 |
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| qwerty12 | wazd: Drink some vodka, or something, and pretend it's fast :p | 20:53 |
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| wirelessdreamer | is scratchbox supposed to provide an interface just like on the n900? When I run it with the x emulator I just get a destop backgroup, and no widgets like are in the demo videos. | 20:54 |
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| wazd_ | and it has strange color glithces :) | 20:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wirelessdreamer, it's not an emulator, no. | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | wirelessdreamer, but it's a close approximation. | 20:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | wirelessdreamer, you can add more desktop widgets. | 20:58 |
| lopz | hi ;) | 20:58 |
| Flyser_ | wirelessdreamer: are you using the 5.0 final sdk? afaik the beta sdk provides nothing but a background | 21:00 |
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| wazd_ | oops, it crashed :) | 21:04 |
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| MaSu | would someone know what processes are executed when plugging in a camera in a N810? | 21:08 |
| wirelessdreamer | Flyser_: I'm using the beta sdk | 21:08 |
| wirelessdreamer | I haven't seen a final sdk, is it official? | 21:08 |
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| qwerty12 | wirelessdreamer: http://flors.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/maemo-5-final-sdk-released-go-extras/ | 21:10 |
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| * JosefAssad who has never pre-ordered anything just pre-ordered an N900 | 21:14 | |
| qwerty12 | Will it be first time unlucky? :p | 21:16 |
| * luke-jr_ doesn't get why people pre-order anything. | 21:16 | |
| qwerty12 | Same, I'm not really into pre-ordering myself | 21:16 |
| luke-jr_ | why not just wait until the day it's available for ordering? | 21:17 |
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| JosefAssad | qwerty12: mostly because this way I am spared the agony of debating the investment when I know that I'll just end up buying it anyhow | 21:19 |
| qwerty12 | Heh | 21:20 |
| qwerty12 | do-or-die :p | 21:20 |
| JosefAssad | pretty much. :) | 21:21 |
| luke-jr_ | JosefAssad: fail | 21:21 |
| JosefAssad | luke-jr_: wouldn't be my first fail, but why? | 21:22 |
| ShadowJK | plus you're likely to get it a few weeks before it has good availabilty | 21:22 |
| luke-jr_ | now you have no leverage | 21:22 |
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| luke-jr_ | now you're paying $$$ for a device that inevitably Nokia still owns | 21:23 |
| luke-jr_ | because it's closed | 21:23 |
| qwerty12 | FFS | 21:23 |
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| JosefAssad | ... | 21:23 |
| acouto_ | hi all... where can i find the diferent between liblocation and gpsbt,gps.h? because im not understanting | 21:23 |
| * luke-jr_ sees the "err, who cares? I use Windows too" look on JosefAssad's face. | 21:24 | |
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| JosefAssad | luke-jr_: well when you release your open hardware open software phone you can also have my money. Until then, this is the best attempt I've seen at converging a phone and a computer without fettering developers. | 21:25 |
| Shapeshifter | I can't seem to find a guide on how to upgrade the SDK from latest beta to final on a non-debian host... | 21:25 |
| Shapeshifter | any clues? | 21:25 |
| luke-jr_ | JosefAssad: open hardware is beyond grasp for now. I just want open software. | 21:25 |
| * microlith sees luke-jr_ go full zealot and drive more people away | 21:26 | |
| luke-jr_ | microlith: I'm not even half way to full zealot | 21:26 |
| luke-jr_ | I'm tolerating closed hardware and firmware | 21:26 |
| luke-jr_ | just insist on software being open | 21:26 |
| JosefAssad | ok, well I won't feed the troll. I'm still happy this thing's coming out. | 21:27 |
| * luke-jr_ is more likely to get a Pandora | 21:27 | |
| luke-jr_ | or HTC Touch Pro2, if those guys ever get it running Linux | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | JosefAssad, sorry about the trolls. ;) | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:28 |
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| ShadowJK | the "X is not open so I'm going to get the more closed Y instead" argument all over :) | 21:29 |
| luke-jr_ | ShadowJK: I don't care how it ships, as long as it's open when I'm using it. | 21:29 |
| JosefAssad | ShadowJK: X isn't open? /me aptitude removes xorg | 21:29 |
| luke-jr_ | Why do device makers think people want some custom proprietary OS? | 21:30 |
| luke-jr_ | they should just provide the (open) drivers to support existing OS | 21:30 |
| luke-jr_ | then I can run Gentoo, you run Ubuntu, and JosefAssad run Windows CE | 21:30 |
| * luke-jr_ runs | 21:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Why do zealots think anything but a very small minority cares about fully open hardware and software? | 21:30 |
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| ShadowJK | atleast phonet (or was it fonet?) is open and in mainline kernel :) | 21:31 |
| JosefAssad | GeneralAntilles: As an enterprise open source advocate, my skin is troll-hardened. :) | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: you're putting words in my mouth again | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | GeneralAntilles: I have no qualm with closed hardware (yet) | 21:31 |
| wirelessdreamer | qwerty12: thanks for the link | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | oh | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | and Macer can run his Solaris or whatever | 21:31 |
| luke-jr_ | ;) | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Can I run DOS? | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:32 |
| luke-jr_ | sure! | 21:32 |
| luke-jr_ | but good luck finding ARM DOS apps | 21:32 |
| luke-jr_ | <.< | 21:32 |
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| ShadowJK | and a bios that runs on arm.. | 21:33 |
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| wirelessdreamer | anyone know what the talk at maemo work by the people from blender is on? | 21:36 |
| wirelessdreamer | I'd love to hear a blender package with game engine and python support runs on the n900 =) | 21:36 |
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| wirelessdreamer | *work=summit | 21:36 |
| wirelessdreamer | brain fart :) | 21:36 |
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| JosefAssad | I'd love to have a blender that can import Collada :/ | 21:37 |
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| wirelessdreamer | the official sdk installer seems busted its trying to get the gpg key http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/Release.gpg . . which doesn't exist on that server | 21:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay! | 22:04 |
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| timeless | ,away summer vacation: @train(prague), amsterdam | 22:15 |
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| kynky | is it really easy to make all traffic in maemo go through a vpn ? just asking as prob gonna get a n900 with tmobile uk, but in fair usage policy, not allowed to use istant messaging apps or watch any internet videos (ala youtube etc) | 22:17 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | kynky: I am unsure if it will do that. However - it's a linux system. You have root. | 22:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | It would be a good thing to add. | 22:21 |
| kynky | welli know linux pretty well, so guess should be easy todo | 22:21 |
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| zerojay | +- | 22:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=342044 | 22:23 |
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| kynky | so that [rob answers my next question, of when roaming, want to turn of data 3g, as will be expensive when abroad, but still want to recieve txt messages, guess its aknowing linux answer, or just ring mobile company and ask the to turn off data services on my account, while im on holiday | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd really love to see a polished set of DE enhancements nice Maemo's UI team seems dead set against usability in favor of simplification. | 22:24 |
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| wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=341969#post341969 <- sick :D | 22:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://pastie.org/647341 here are some code segments of my app, just the main structure of it with most parts missing. My problem is that in line 18, info->logged_in seems to be neither TRUE nor FALSE and I don't understand why. I set it to FALSE in line 38 and pass the pointer to the struct in the connect in line 42. I don't get it... | 22:31 |
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| Woolly | Shapeshifter: would info->logged_in not give you the pointer to logged_in, rather than the value of logged_in? | 22:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Shapeshifter: The first argument of your callback signature should be the button you're passing, I belive | 22:33 |
| Shapeshifter | qwerty12_N810: the button is not the problem. it works. banner appears if I put it outside of the if statement etc. | 22:34 |
| Shapeshifter | Woolly: logged_in in the struct is not a pointer... | 22:34 |
| Shapeshifter | info->logged_in should be the value of it | 22:35 |
| Shapeshifter | just as info->window is the pointer "*window", no? | 22:35 |
| Woolly | I suppose. My C knowledge has never been particularly good :D | 22:36 |
| JosefAssad | Is this http://maemo.org/development/documentation/Quick%20Start%20Guide/ the right starting point in general for someone interested in getting started with maemo 5 development? | 22:37 |
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| microlith | Shapeshifter: don't statically declare one SharedInfo then a pointer, just create *infoStruct and allocate the memory | 22:39 |
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| BluesLee | can someone explain me what "af-sb-init.sh start" should do? i get only advertisement:-) | 22:43 |
| Firebird | hm, native gtk code is automatically styled with hildon? (maemo5) | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, did you start Zephyr from a regular xterm? | 22:44 |
| BluesLee | how do i strat the canedar for instance? | 22:44 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: yes | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you export the display variable in scratchbox? | 22:45 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: yes | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you getting a desktop? | 22:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't sure what you mean by "advertisements". | 22:45 | |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: i also get something in xepyr but it looks like advertisment, flickr, youtube, ovi ... | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, those are desktop bookmarks. | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, did you install nokia-apps? | 22:46 |
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| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: step 7 with eula... yes | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, OK, click the little blue icon in the upper left corner. | 22:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles is asking all of the wrong questions. ;) | 22:47 | |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: i use this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 22:47 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: i see, there are no icons there but there is interaction | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | No icons when you bring up the applications menu? | 22:48 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: one moment, i will make a screenie | 22:48 |
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| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/94e0421358b5f425ca60c907b90254a3.jpg | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe a driver issue? | 22:50 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: hmm, if i click on the top i get the youtube webpage for a second or so | 22:51 |
| BluesLee | i will retry it | 22:51 |
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| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: its starts with a little twitter box in th eleft corner | 22:54 |
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| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: clicking on it gives me the posted screen | 22:55 |
| Dantonic | hey, mu installation has become corrupt, I want to copy my original installation located on the N800s flash memory to the SD card I currently boot from, can I do this without having to reflash the whole thing? | 22:55 |
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| Dantonic | I'm trying by just booting from the flash, and trying to repartition/format the mmc2 card, but it wont let me umount it, says it is busy... | 22:57 |
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| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: i get messages like Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":2.0". | 22:58 |
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| Dantonic | cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy :( | 23:03 |
| wirelessdreamer | directory permissions are messed up on http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle It doesn't allow directory listing, so the sdk installer won't run, because it needs a gpg key from there | 23:03 |
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| Dantonic | how do I make it unbusy? :P | 23:04 |
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| javispedro | there must be a scientific theory behind the "why does lardman still apear on maemo.org frontpage" question. | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because he's a badass motherfucker. | 23:16 |
| javispedro | hardly scientific :P | 23:17 |
| javispedro | but I get the hint :D | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | He's been doing "favours" for X-Fade | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damnit | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was going to say "Niels in love." | 23:17 |
| javispedro | lol. | 23:17 |
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| javispedro | even tho if Niels was in love with him I would've expected more. | 23:17 |
| javispedro | like "free pass" to extras-stable. | 23:18 |
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| javispedro | "Go directly to extras. Do not pass extras-testing. Do not collect 10 karma points." | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would be too obvious. | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Niels: Then come back to me" | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Man, X-Fade is gonna kill me | 23:21 |
| javispedro | ... finally. :) | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I, er, don't know how to respond to that. I'll go cry | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Good choice. | 23:23 |
| * javispedro goes to read his daily intake of tmo and maemo fansites idiocracy. | 23:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like cocaine. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know it's bad for you but the rush is too hard to pass up. :P | 23:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I heard the worst of them all was http://javispedro.com/ | 23:24 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: there was a time I didn't know what to put there, and thus that domain spent nearly 5 years showing my "Hello World" PHP page. | 23:25 |
| javispedro | awwwww my favourite idiocratic site is already down. | 23:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Meh, I just use any space I have as a file dump | 23:26 |
| BluesLee | the sdk is boring ... | 23:26 |
| GAN800 | Man, that guy really love SNES | 23:26 |
| javispedro | GAN800: I know who you are. Your nick hiding tricks don't work with me! | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro <-- cyber-stalker | 23:27 |
| BluesLee | looks like a have a problem with xephyr | 23:27 |
| * GAN800 wraps his cape over his face and runs into the shadows. | 23:27 | |
| javispedro | The SDK is meant to allow development, not to act as a drool receptacle. | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Don't go near any bushes! | 23:27 |
| BluesLee | javispedro: just a joke ... | 23:28 |
| GAN800 | BluesLee, clearly an opportunity for you to fill it with sweet applications. ;) | 23:28 |
| BluesLee | javispedro: i will find the problem and eliminate it | 23:28 |
| javispedro | BluesLee: don't worry, in fact I drooled over it for quite a few hours hehe | 23:28 |
| BluesLee | GAN800: i am not a developer, i just wanted to see what i will get in some weeks/months | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | BluesLee, the SDK isn't a great demo, unfortunately. | 23:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Much better than previous versions of Maemo, but still not quite like the real deal. | 23:30 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: it looks okay for me http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK/Discover_Maemo_5 | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | BluesLee: Now look at an N900 review :p | 23:31 |
| BluesLee | GeneralAntilles: its better than other solutions i saw on other devices | 23:31 |
| BluesLee | qwerty12_N810: i read all of them;-) | 23:31 |
| Anunakin | Hi guys, I just finished port of Project Diaspora (MMO Game) for N8x0 ... Im doing more tests ... you can look at shoots here http://www.nighsoft.com/ | 23:32 |
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| javispedro | so, on which TV network I can watch the latest developments in the summit? | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | moo beer | 23:52 |
| javispedro | hello Sts | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Cows are ordinarily milked for milk, but as you wish... | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:53 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: people mostly registered and then crashed a bar | 23:54 |
| javispedro | ah, and they found the beer cows there. =) | 23:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:57 |
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