IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2009-10-02

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javispedrohallo! I think I fixed the theming problems in the drnoksnes startup screen in latest -devel, can anyone confirm for me? :)00:08
RST38hjavis: Extras?00:09
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RST38hjavis: buttons look ok00:11
qwerty12_N810javispedro: play / restart look fine over here00:11
javispedroand the target framerate one?00:11
qwerty12_N810Not cut off (just about ;))00:12
javispedrohehe, and I guess not weird either.00:12
RST38hkavis: also looks ok00:12
javispedroon the video it was shown a bit, hm, "shallow".00:12
RST38hThe "game not started yet" bug is still there00:12
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RST38hBut it is not yours00:12
javispedromakes me think about reviving maemo-games-startup.00:12
javispedroRST38h, qwerty12_N810: thanks!00:13
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RST38hOff to sleep. VAX seems to be winning tonight.00:15
javispedrokick him to death!00:16
javispedroit's the only way to fix those computers.00:16
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qwerty12_N810RST38h: The VAX will kill you in your sleep :\00:16
javispedrooh, wow. lightscribe actually works in GNU/Linux.00:16
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qwerty12_N810I don't think I've ever used LightScribe, but maybe that's because I subscribe to the theory that a few words on the particular DVD's case is enough :p00:18
mavhcyou put dvds in cases? how quaint00:19
javispedroqwerty12_N810: what happens when one's too lazy to even search the cd marker pens? you end up being a fan of lightscribe ;)00:19
mavhclightscribe is like dvd-dl, way more people have the drives than the discs00:19
javispedrowell, not fair. you might as well end up not labeling discs.00:20
mavhcmaybe if it did the scribing at the same time without the flip over and more waiting00:20
javispedroprobably, cause it takes a whopping 25minutes for complex designs. but then, I'm not in a hurry.00:20
mavhcI don't label discs half the time, just move them from the blank spindle to the burnt spindle00:20
mavhcthen label then when I'm looking for something00:21
javispedroalso, properly lightscribed discs look cool to mortals00:21
qwerty12_N810also, properly lightscribed discs that are fully black look cool to emos00:22
mavhcneed to build my nas to never have to use discs again00:22
Tadthebuilderlightscribed discs are a waste of money00:22
mavhc12 drives of awesomeness00:22
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javispedroI still use optical media for archival purposes00:23
javispedroand hope to keep another decade doing that00:24
javispedrobut who knows00:24
mavhchdds are only twice the price00:24
qwerty12_N810"Porn I must watch in 10 years from now"00:24
mavhchey look, this porn has humans in, how quaint00:25
javispedromavhc: actually, hdds are cheaper no matter how you look at them.00:25
SpeedEvilI have repeatedly wondered how much actual unique content is on everyones PCs.00:25
SpeedEvilI suspect a gig or ten max.00:25
Tadthebuilderten gigs of unique data on a someones pc?00:25
javispedroSpeedEvil: totally true00:25
Tadthebuilderthats alot00:25
SpeedEvilAnd not counting photo or video - probably under 10 meg for most00:25
mavhctrue, I'm just building a 24TB torrent seeder00:25
TadthebuilderI was thinking alot less00:26
Tadthebuildereven with photos00:26
SpeedEvilWell - a modern camera can create a _lot_ of bytes of crap nobody will look at again00:26
mavhc50GBs of photos, maybe 50GB of videos00:26
javispedrothe keyword here is "most"00:26
SpeedEvilAnd I've also wondered about the total bytes generated. E.G. counting 24 series 1 episode 1 as - say - 3 gigabytes - nomatter how many thousands of different codecs it's been run through.00:27
SpeedEvilOr how many millions of disks it's stored on.00:27
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mavhceveryone md5hash your hdd sectors and send them to SpeedEvil00:29
Corsacmd5 isn't secure anyway00:29
mavhcwhy do we need security?00:30
qwerty12_N810So isn't sending your HDD sectors to a random person :p00:30
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coldbootAlways fear the man with too much time on his hands.00:30
SpeedEvilmavhc: that also doesn't quite cover it - it would count the thousands of different encodings and bit-errors as thousands of files, not one.00:30
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SpeedEvilcoldboot: because he can throw clocks at you.00:30
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coldbootSpeedEvil: Keep your day job.00:31
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: does it count as unique if I replicate it?00:32
luke-jrTadthebuilder: my photos dir is 8.1 GB alone00:33
SpeedEvilluke-jr: I was meaning truly original content. If you use mplayer to transcode it - for example - the maximum new data you're creating is the mplayer command line00:33
redondoshow do you install a .install in scratchbox?00:33
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javispedroredondos: if it's diablo sbox you may even boot hildon application manager.00:34
javispedrobut you can also look at the .install file and install "manually".00:34
redondoshow do i install it manually?00:35
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javispedroredondos: the .install file will say the Repository URL and the package name00:35
javispedroit's a text file.00:35
redondoswhere can i read about booting hildon app manager?00:35
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javispedroredondos: read in the manual the part about running the GUI (search for "")00:36
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redondosi'm running the gui, but the app manager doesn't have any catalogues00:37
javispedroare you in diablo or fremantle?00:37
redondosI'm just trying to understand how it all fits in00:38
redondosno good?00:38
javispedroon fremantle you'll have to do "manual install", I don't think the app mgr can install from a local .install (plz correct me ;) )00:38
redondosfair enough00:38
redondosthanks, pedro00:38
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redondoswhat kind of incompatibilities are there between all the maemo releases?00:39
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redondoswhat can i expect if i were to install on fremantle a package built for bora00:40
* frals is most pleased with activity in the mms-thread while he was having beers at the pub.. good day after all :)00:40
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javispedroredondos: unless it's a command line app, a lot of incompatibilities.00:41
javispedrogtk bumped, hildon bumped, ... long list.00:41
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javispedrobut hey, I think gtk has a good backwarsd compatibility record.00:42
javispedroit'll look horrible, but may work.00:42
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redondoshow can I initialize the audio system in scratchbox/fremantle?00:50
zerojayNot sure if it's there or not, but it's pulseaudio, if that helps any.00:51
redondospulseaudio doesn't start00:51
redondosE: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-alsa-sink-volume" (argument: "sink_name=sink.hw0 mixer_load=HP_DAC,Headphone,Earphone mixer=HP_DAC device=hw:0"): initialization failed.00:52
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* javispedro never got the fremantle sdk audio to work00:54
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AStormredondos: hmmh, you'd need a bind-mounted proc, sys and dev00:57
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javispedroAStorm: do you know if there may be a way to share the pa socket?00:58
javispedrowhere is it?00:58
javispedro(I mean, in diablo sbox I used to just let it use the /tmp/.esd/socket with proper $AUTH)00:58
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AStormjavispedro: yes, somewhere like there01:00
AStormyou need to copy it from your main system01:00
AStormbut... why do that?01:00
AStormuse pulse's TCP.01:00
AStormmuch less fuss01:00
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javispedroi though a pulse daemon can't output to another pulse daemon01:03
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redondosAStorm: those are there01:07
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AStormjavispedro: you thought wrong01:09
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AStormaakashd: ircfail01:10
AStormquick hax him ;P01:10
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Jaffazerojay: pong02:08
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Jaffazerojay: Going to bed, so will re-pong in the am02:17
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Ppupnikjavispedro - wonder if emu could play without screen updates while not having focus03:07
Ppupnikcould get down to < 50 % cpu phps03:07
AStormPpupnik: need vsync emulated still03:08
AStormbut the rest, not.03:08
AStormnot easy though to resync after refocusing03:09
Ppupnikforget it03:11
Ppupnikthat was an unfortunate incident03:11
Ppupnikand i wish wed had better info on the n8x0 limitations, earlier03:12
Ppupnik"don't bother with that"03:12
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Ppupnikdq6 music rules03:13
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Tadthebuilderits quiet tonight03:27
zerojaySure is.03:27
woglindegood nite03:29
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bobbydn900 n900 woo!03:30
zerojayExtras-devel appears to be down. :/03:30
Tadthebuilderwell that unsatisfactory03:31
Tadthebuilderanyone ever used iness?03:31
Tadthebuilderdid you have any stability issues with it?03:31
Tadthebuildermust be my n80003:32
TadthebuilderI thought i had heard it was stable03:32
TadthebuilderI just save state every couple of minutes...haha03:32
Tadthebuilderit crashes randomly every ten or so minutes, but I can start it right up and its fine03:32
zerojayShould be stable.03:33
Tadthebuildermaybe I should reflash....03:33
lcukany specific game03:33
lcukor all03:33
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Tadthebuilderi only have one rom03:34
Tadthebuilderso probably just that game...maybe I should try a different game first03:34
Tadthebuilderits final fantasy one03:34
lcukthat might be why you experience glitch and someone else doesnt03:34
zerojayTadthebuilder: Is it verified?03:34
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zerojayYes, is the ROM a verified perfect unchanged, uncorrupted dump?03:35
Tadthebuilderah I guess I dont have anyway of knowing. I do own the game but not the hardware to dump it, so I must confess I downloaded it from some site on the internet03:36
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Jason404Does anybody know if Maemo 6 is likely to be available for the N900?  I know the N900 is not out yet, and Maemo 6 is not even finished, but I was wonering if anybody knew what the plans for Maemo 6 were.03:36
zerojayMight be a problem with the ROM then.03:36
zerojayJason404: No one knows, but that's the plan as far as we know.03:36
Tadthebuilderyeah if its been stable for everyone else03:36
Jason404zerojay: ok thanks03:36
Tadthebuilderwould any of the hardware buttons cause it to crash03:36
TadthebuilderI could of it one of them on accident03:36
Tadthebuilderim a bit clumsy03:37
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Tadthebuilderlcuk any promising leads on a job man?03:40
lcukyes, i have been surveying the landscape i think i can see a number of possible directions and places i could see myself03:42
Tadthebuilderglad to here it03:42
Tadthebuilder(am I the only one who thinks that application manager should be a utility rather than a setting?)03:44
zerojayI think you're taking the names too literally. ;)03:45
Tadthebuilderbut I always look for it under utilities first...ive had n800 for two years03:45
Tadthebuilderyou think I would know by now.03:45
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Ppupnikat least dq6 keeps me chilled03:47
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comhack /quit03:47
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Ppupnikcutting off internet is a good idea.  focuses the mind03:47
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Tadthebuilderyou know whats awesome03:50
Tadthebuildershakespearian english in a video game translated poorly from japanese03:50
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lcukPpupnik, good idea.03:52
lcukgood night folks \o03:52
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Tadthebuilderokay I have determined it was the Rom...03:52
Tadthebuildera different game is working fine03:52
TadthebuilderI should of thought of that...there was just no other game I wanted to play.03:53
Tadthebuilderoh I just wanted to make my services known to be available though it probably wont help much now...03:54
TadthebuilderI am willing to be a beta tester for any software for the n80003:55
Tadthebuilderand if I ever get an n900 I probably would not use it as a phone so If I get one I could do it then too.03:55
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zerojayHow does using it as a phone stop you from testing software on the N900?03:56
Tadthebuilderif its your primary phone03:57
Tadthebuilderyoud probably be more worried about making it unstable03:57
Tadthebuilderatleast I would03:57
Tadthebuilder(should that be instable...)03:57
Tadthebuilderatleast that was my reasoning03:57
TadthebuilderI could be wrong though03:57
TadthebuilderI figured it out03:58
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Tadthebuilderthe back button on the hardware03:58
Tadthebuildercauses the program to exit...03:58
Tadthebuilderand I somtimes hit it when I mean to hit the down arrow03:58
Tadthebuilderdoes my reasoning make sense zerojay?03:59
zerojayI suppose.03:59
zerojayBut because it's Linux, anything being unstable should be relatively localized.03:59
zerojayApp crashes, not the whole thing.04:00
zerojayBut yeah.. I guess if you keep all sorts of important stuff, sure.04:00
Tadthebuilderah I see your point there04:01
bobbydjust back it up I suppose04:01
Tadthebuilderanyway there is not much likelihood of me getting an n900 anytime soon any way04:01
Tadthebuildermaybe when the n910 is out and I can get the n900 used for 200 bucks04:01
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zerojaybobbyd: Exactly.04:02
bobbydTadthebuilder: I'm getting one at launch04:03
TadthebuilderI dont have the money04:03
bobbydTadthebuilder: sell stuff on ebay!04:03
Tadthebuilderheh, I dont have enough things to sell, except for maybe my computer moniter...but I need that04:03
Tadthebuildereverything I own can fit in my 1996 monte carlo04:04
TadthebuilderI just got out of graduate school04:04
Tadthebuilderand just got a job making not much money at all04:04
Tadthebuilderand Im getting married and trying to buy a no 600 bucks for a n90004:04
zerojayI know that feeling.04:04
Ppupnikthats reality04:04
Tadthebuildertis true04:04
Tadthebuilderand I dont mean to complain04:04
TadthebuilderI was just explaining why I couldnt really sell anything04:05
TadthebuilderI love my job04:05
Tadthebuilderthats a plus04:05
Tadthebuilderand I have an n80004:05
Tadthebuilderand it is still awesome04:05
zerojayWhat do you do?04:05
TadthebuilderIm a Youth Pastor/minister04:05
zerojayI make videogames.04:05
* Ppupnik senses a marketing opportunity04:06
Tadthebuilderthats a cool job04:06
zerojaySure is.04:06
Tadthebuildermight I ask what platform?04:06
zerojayTrying to get Unity3d to port to N900 so we can port some of our games to N900.04:06
Tadthebuilderah okay04:06
Tadthebuilderwell thats pretty cool.04:06
zerojayWhatever works. Next gen consoles, iPhone, DS... all cellular phones previously.04:07
bobbydzerojay: you mean you're trying to port it yourself, or trying to get them to do a port?04:07
bobbydor asking them Ii should say04:07
zerojaybobbyd: Unity3D is a full middleware solution for iPhone development. I'm not porting it. :)04:07
Ppupnikchurch retreats were the best04:07
bobbydzerojay: right, so you're asking for a port04:07
zerojaybobbyd: Asking them to port, yes.04:08
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bobbydzerojay: what's the response so far?04:08
zerojaybobbyd: "We're planning on porting to other platforms"04:08
Tadthebuilderwhat dev company do you work for?04:09
bobbydI suppose it's chicken and egg04:09
zerojayTadthebuilder: Ubisoft.04:09
Tadthebuilderah okay04:09
Tadthebuilderare their any concerns with copy protection on the n900?04:10
Tadthebuilder(look on page 35 of manual line 4 word 6 )04:10
zerojayThe lack thereof... I'm sure there would be, but until Unity is ported, we're not even worrying about that yet.04:10
sheepbat<looks up>04:11
sheepbatthe manual has been released?04:11
Tadthebuilderthe manual has been released04:11
Tadthebuilderbut that was supposed to be aj oke04:11
Tadthebuildera copy protection joke04:11
sheepbatthe manual has been released!04:11
Tadthebuilderold dos games04:11
Tadthebuilderwould have you look up in the manual and insert the word to prove you bought the game04:11
zerojayAn unfinished version of the manual.. plenty of errors and problems with it.04:11
sheepbatI completely missed that04:11
Tadthebuilderare we sure its unfinished or just done poorly?04:11
sheepbatdoes it have the word "suckers" in it?04:11
zerojayTadthebuilder: Until it gets printed, unfinished.04:12
Tadthebuilder(its definitely not standard English)04:12
Tadthebuildertrue that would make sense04:12
sheepbatdarn those finns04:12
zerojayIt's Finnglish. Community's already working on fixing it.04:12
zerojayDon't take everything in it as gospel.04:12
zerojayNo pun intended.04:12
TadthebuilderIts not as bad as all your base are belong to us04:12
Tadthebuilderbut its got some problems04:13
Tadthebuilderoh does anyone else think the standard chess game that comes with maemo impossible?04:14
Ppupnikexciting stuff zerojay, didnt know you were in with unity3d04:14
AStormTadthebuilder: it's hard, yes04:14
zerojayPpupnik: I'm not in with them. :)04:14
AStormit's gnuchess04:14
Tadthebuilderthats about the quality of the english from the manual04:14
AStormsomething like ~2000 ELO on lowest difficulty04:14
Ppupniki feel like a networked game of something04:15
AStormit can be beaten, but it's hard04:15
Tadthebuilderzerojay: does ubisoft have a problem with you being involved in open source development on the side?04:15
AStormTadthebuilder: it's fairly so-so at long-term planning at lower difficulties04:15
AStormplays very well in the openings04:16
bobbydwhat's this I see04:16
Tadthebuilderah okay04:16
TadthebuilderI need to work on my chess skills04:16
Tadthebuilderespecially openings04:16
AStormon low diff, endings can be forced often to a draw04:16
AStormnot so on medium and higher04:16
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TadthebuilderI take it your good at chess? or involved in the development...04:17
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Tadthebuilderor both04:18
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AStormI'm... ok at chess04:19
AStormas in, I did enter some low-key tournaments04:19
AStormI can beat that app at low about 40% of the time04:19
Tadthebuilderah okay04:19
Tadthebuilderwell that gives me a pretty good basis from which to understand the difficult04:20
Tadthebuilderis it hard to make a computer playing convincely poorly in chess?04:20
Tadthebuilder(for instance is the only way to make it play stupid to make it make obvious mistakes)04:20
AStormno, not really04:20
AStormmake it search less of the space04:21
AStormmodify min-max thresholds04:21
AStormdo some random misses04:21
Tadthebuilderah okay04:21
AStormgnuchess doesn't do any of those04:21
Tadthebuilderthat would explain it then04:21
AStormit only has search depth and hash table size04:21
AStormas tunables04:21
Tadthebuilderwell someone needs to fork it or make a new open source chess game that is easier04:21
TadthebuilderIm never gonna get any better playing against something I can never beat04:22
AStormjust try gnuchess v404:22
AStormit was fairly weaker04:22
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AStormnote that it's old code04:22
Tadthebuildermostly cause I got frustrated and stopped trying after I kept losing04:22
AStormmight need updates.04:22
Tadthebuilderis there a KDE equivalent that is easier I wonder04:22
* Ppupnik travels north to the well of dreams04:23
AStormTadthebuilder: heh, hmm04:23
AStormmaybe you could try old Sjeng.04:23
Tadthebuilderim confused04:23
Tadthebuilderby his comment of traveling to the well of dreams04:23
AStormor old GNU chess04:23
Tadthebuilderis that synonymous with bed?04:23
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AStormTadthebuilder: he said he's going to sleep, duh04:23
Ppupniktad, game on drnoksnes04:23
corq-FLi having issues flashing under ubuntu; I have an n810 I threw Mer on awhile back; I'm trying to reflash Diablo back on it to give to a pal, but I'm getting "device or resource busy" errors.04:24
Ppupnikdont let kids see drnoksnes04:24
Tadthebuilderhow is drnoksnes running?04:24
Tadthebuilderis it close to full spead?04:24
Tadthebuilderis it playable?04:24
Ppupnikfast enough04:24
Tadthebuilderlike for final fantasy three/siz04:24
Tadthebuilderis frame rate skippable?04:24
Tadthebuilderare you the developer?04:25
AStormTadthebuilder: really, try old gnuchess04:25
AStormyou should be able to beat it04:25
TadthebuilderIll see if I could find it04:25
Ppupniki play it while also running xchat, tear browser and 3 ssh xterms, Tad04:25
AStorm(myself, I could fight with some of our local 1st chess class players04:25
Tadthebuilderare you the developer of it?04:26
Ppupnikno , javispedro ported it04:26
TadthebuilderI just searched add remove programs on my ubuntu bxo04:26
Tadthebuilderah okay04:26
Tadthebuilderand found five different chess games04:26
Tadthebuildermaybe one of them is not impossible04:26
Tadthebuilderor they could be the same chess game with different skins haha04:26
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Ppupnikalso everybody try qtnx - nomachine nx client - kicks vnc butt!!04:26
AStormTadthebuilder: real chess don't have skins ;p04:27
AStormthey're stdio-based04:27
AStormand use UIs04:27
Tadthebuilderthats what I meant04:27
Tadthebuilderdifferent appearances04:27
Tadthebuilderlooks different04:27
AStormshouldn't be hard.04:27
Tadthebuilderone is gnome chess04:27
Tadthebuilderthe other is gnome chess 3d04:27
PpupnikI want battlechess with politicians as figurines04:27
Tadthebuilderoh pychess04:28
Tadthebuilderis different04:28
TadthebuilderSo Obama verses Kim Jong?04:28
Tadthebuilderin nation?04:28
TadthebuilderBrown vs I dont know any other politicians name in the uk...04:28
Ppupnikyeah whole cabinets04:29
Ppupniklame idea nm04:29
Tadthebuilderhistorical ones might be good though04:30
Ppupnikdrnoksnes sound is soooooo good04:30
Ppupnikremember milton bradley "stratego"?04:30
TadthebuilderI love that game04:30
Tadthebuilderwe need to get that ofr the ITT's04:31
Ppupnikonline 2p04:31
Tadthebuilderyes exactly04:31
Tadthebuilderif you make it ill play it04:31
Tadthebuilderwell have to call it something different04:32
Tadthebuilderlike "hide the flag and kill the other team with your bomb but if they get your flag you lose"04:32
Tadthebuildervery succinct04:32
Ppupniki am looking in google04:32
Ppupnikjust need a website04:32
Tadthebuilderedit:with your bombs and people with a higher number but if they get your flag you lose.04:32
* AStorm got worse in chess from lack of practice04:32
Tadthebuilderthat does happen04:33
Ppupniksorry these trash sites are too heavy for tablet04:33
AStormas in, I can't deliver a beating on 1st class players anymore04:33
AStormit's an even match04:33
Ppupnikhow do you think about chess04:33
Tadthebuilderwell get to work ppupnik04:34
Tadthebuildercode it04:34
AStormPpupnik: you can't think about chess04:34
AStormI think about strategy04:34
AStormbut my... memory is not as good as some04:35
AStormI tend to forget previous sequences and that sometimes leads to my bane04:35
AStormof a waste of a move. losing initiative04:35
Tadthebuilderill play you if you promise to be blind folded haha04:35
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AStormI can't do blind-fold chess04:35
AStormjust... can't ;p04:36
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AStormI can do quick chess and switch chess04:36
Tadthebuilderdo you think you could play against Death?04:36
AStormand multiple04:36
AStormas in?04:36
TadthebuilderIts an opening scene to a movie04:36
Tadthebuildersweedish film04:36
AStormI wouldn't try, I'd lose ;p04:36
Tadthebuilderseventh seal04:37
Tadthebuilderdirected by igmar birgman04:37
Tadthebuilder(not sure about the spelling)04:37
TadthebuilderSPoofed by a kids cartoon called Animaniacs04:37
AStormat best, I could draw (seeing that game)04:37
derfFamously riffed in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey.04:37
Tadthebuilderand Animaniacs04:37
AStormI think it's been some grandmaster game04:37
AStormrendered there04:37
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Tadthebuilderyou have lost me Astorm04:37
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Ppupnik~Bannorzz received the Spirit Crown!~04:45
Tadthebuilderim very excited04:45
Tadthebuilderhave no idea what your talking about04:45
Tadthebuilderbut very excited for you04:45
Tadthebuilderyou know what was a decent idea but a horrible implementation?04:47
Tadthebuilderthe music player build on mozilla04:47
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Ppupnikno idea04:48
Ppupnikwhy people want to add functions to browsers04:49
Tadthebuildersong bird does not try to add function to browsers04:49
Tadthebuilderit makes it a specific browser for something04:49
AStormit's like the inverse04:49
TadthebuilderI dont want a media browser04:49
AStormthey want to reduce a browser to a media player04:49
TadthebuilderI want a browser, that happens to be able to handle media04:49
AStormgood effort, but not that good execution04:49
Tadthebuilderif I wanted a heavey audio player id be using Itunes04:50
Tadthebuilderbut I want a light audio player04:50
Tadthebuilder(because I have a horrible computer....512 megs of ram...)04:50
Tadthebuilderso I want my audio player to be barely noticeable04:50
Tadthebuilderxmms to the rescue04:50
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Ppupnikkind of interferes with matchbox04:51
Ppupnikbut its great04:52
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TadthebuilderI definitly just forgot my IRC program was a firefox plugin when i restarted my browser04:57
b-man16heh xD04:57
Ppupnikyou know you can get xmms on n800 Tad?04:58
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Ppupnikkind of putzy install04:59
Tadthebuilderit isnt important04:59
Tadthebuilderon n80004:59
TadthebuilderI used it on my desktop04:59
Tadthebuilderbecause I have an underpowerd machine04:59
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Tadthebuilderand I like to multitask04:59
Tadthebuilderthough the n800 is capable of multitasking I dont really surf the internet with 15 tabs open while listening to music05:00
Tadthebuilderand playing a game05:00
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TadthebuilderI really should change my surfing habbits05:01
TadthebuilderI crash my browser on a regular basis05:01
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b-man16your not the only one xD05:01
Tadthebuilderyeah but my comp cannot handle it ...05:02
AStormlearn some05:02
TadthebuilderI wish I could buy a bunch more ram05:02
AStormit's hard to learn these from book all at once (or wiki)05:02
Tadthebuilderim gonna book mark that05:02
AStormit needs actual play05:02
b-man16how much do you have?05:02
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Tadthebuilderits getting late05:02
TadthebuilderI wont remember much05:02
Tadthebuilder512 megs05:02
Tadthebuilder3 gig single core processor05:02
Tadthebuilderand its ddr not ddr2 ram so it costs more05:03
b-man16that´s too bad :(05:03
Tadthebuilderits okay05:03
TadthebuilderI function05:03
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TadthebuilderI also have a laptop05:03
Tadthebuilderwhose specs are even worse05:03
Tadthebuilderbut sometiems I multitask by using both at the same time05:04
Tadthebuilderone running musi05:04
Tadthebuilderand the other running the webbrowser05:04
Tadthebuilderbut I hate heavy flash sites05:04
Tadthebuilderthey bring me to standstill05:04
TadthebuilderI gotta go05:04
Tadthebuilderhave a nice night every body05:05
Tadthebuilderill work on my chess I promise haha05:05
* b-man16 usally has 2-3 (virtual machines) running with the web browser open to 20 tabs while watching videos and chatting xD05:05
b-man16c ya05:05
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, Flashblock.05:05
disco_stuTadthebuilder, adblock is good too05:06
daveb70does your PC max out above 512mb? will it take PC3200?05:07
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daveb70I'm staring at 2x512 OZ PC3200 DIMMs I paid $300 for...just collecting dust05:08
daveb70er, OCZ05:08
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Ppupnik1614 user     RW      191M     1 91.4154.3 tear05:14
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zerojayTadthebuilder: So long as I'm not programming - all programming I do is owned by Ubisoft regardless - they don't mind.05:15
daveb70Back in 2002 for Platinum series, it was common. Would I pay that much for ram again? no05:15
GeneralAntilleszerojay, wonder when silly employment clauses like that will finally go.05:16
zerojayGeneralAntilles: Like 1 year non-complete clauses?05:16
zerojayHonestly, in my portion of the company, the clauses are very rarely enforced, even if you go to a competitor.05:17
zerojayAnd my boss is very friendly to open source in general anyways and she's quite familiar with Linux command lines herself (to my surprise).05:18
AStormI shouldn't read chess portion of the wiki05:27
AStormit's too good05:27
AStormheck, I might improve ;p05:27
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Tadthebuilderto the person05:49
Tadthebuilderasking about my ram05:49
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Tadthebuilderhonestly im not sure what type of ram it woudl be05:49
TadthebuilderI know the current ram is ddr, not ddr205:49
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Tadthebuilderand I have adblock05:49
Tadthebuilderwhich does help05:49
Tadthebuilderbut Flashblock would just help my computer no go to a crawl I would still hate flash heavey sites05:49
TadthebuilderI just would not be able to see them05:50
Ppupnikselectively enable flash regions05:50
Tadthebuilderthat is an option05:50
disco_stusomeone wants to help me install mer ?05:50
Tadthebuilderthe processor was really nice when I got it05:50
Tadthebuilder3 gig processor with Hyper Threading05:50
Tadthebuilderoh yeah05:51
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, see the wiki guide?05:51
Tadthebuilderthats where its at05:51
GeneralAntillesPentium 4? ;)05:51
GeneralAntilles. . . was never "nice. :P05:51
Tadthebuilderlet me change that to expensive05:51
disco_stuGeneralAntilles, who wrote that ? a cluster of monkeys with typewritters ?05:51
GeneralAntillesYou can build a nice Core 2 machine for about $300 these days.05:51
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, programmers.05:51
TadthebuilderIve been looking into it05:51
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, but the steps are accurate.05:51
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disco_stuGeneralAntilles, lazy ones05:51
Tadthebuilderbut I have too many expenses right now to put 300 into a new machine05:52
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, honestly, though, it's not worth the time yet.05:52
GeneralAntillesStill not day-to-day usable.05:52
Tadthebuilder(buying a house, getting married etc)05:52
disco_stuGeneralAntilles, i'll wait then05:52
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, just as well, the i5/i3 stuff should be cheap next year.05:52
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GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, which'll be cheaper in the long run anyway since the powersaving is a lot better.05:52
Tadthebuilderthats good to kjnow05:53
Tadthebuilderwant to save on power05:53
Tadthebuilderill be using enough of that as it is in heating and cooling my almost a hundred year old house05:53
GeneralAntillesBeen there. Done that.05:53
TadthebuilderIm getting married in sixteen days05:53
Tadthebuilderand I have not closed on the house yet do to a zoning issue05:54
GeneralAntillesNot sure what's worse. An old house with central heat/air and no insulation or a newer apartment with insulation and window units.05:54
Tadthebuilderbut it looks like we are moving forward05:54
Tadthebuilderwell, This house has been updated a bit05:54
Tadthebuilderso its actually seems somewhat insulated05:54
Ppupnikmine aint05:54
Tadthebuilderhey is the person that was talking to me about ram still in here?05:54
GeneralAntilles"Updated" is really hit or miss on old houses.05:54
Tadthebuilderits true05:55
Tadthebuilderthis house is really cheap05:55
Tadthebuilderand im going to resell it commercially05:55
Ppupniknice timing05:55
GeneralAntillesI hate it when yuppies move into an antique, replace all of the original floors with synthetic shit, put in aluminum windows and plastic siding. :\05:55
Tadthebuildersince its zones commercial05:55
Ppupniksounds good05:55
zerojayDontcha guys just love it when some really misinformed people assume things to be fact? I sure do. :)05:55
Tadthebuilder2800 square foot house05:55
GeneralAntilleszerojay, hehe.05:56
Tadthebuilderwhat do you mean by that?05:56
GeneralAntilleszerojay, Talk? ;)05:56
zerojayGeneralAntilles: As always.05:57
zerojayOne person in particular.05:57
GeneralAntilleszerojay, there's always one.05:58
GeneralAntillesSeems like when one finally gets educated or leaves another pops up to take their place.05:58
zerojay"what a clusterfuck summit is... they scheduled it early so no one will have their n900s... i think I'm gonna cancel..." lol05:58
Pavlovi should work on my talk for the summit05:59
GeneralAntillesDamn straight you should.05:59
disco_stuwhere is the summit ? usa ? europe ?05:59
Tadthebuildereveryone is going to be high....05:59
Tadthebuilderso the summit is not going to happen05:59
Tadthebuilderjust kidding06:00
disco_stuall you guys are going ?06:00
TadthebuilderIm not.06:00
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Tadthebuilderbut thats expected06:00
Tadthebuilderno one knows who i am06:00
Tadthebuilderand im not a develope06:00
TadthebuilderIm a leech06:00
Tadthebuilderon the community06:00
zerojayI had sponsorship, but had to back out because of work, money, passports... all that fun shit.06:00
* GeneralAntilles is going!06:00
Pavlovi kind of want to go to another talk during mine06:00
Pavlovsomeone want to give mine?06:00
GeneralAntillesPavlov, this is the digital age.06:01
GeneralAntillesEither watch the recording of the other talk.06:01
Pavlovpre-record mine?06:01
GeneralAntillesOr record yourself doing your talk now and just set a laptop on stage.06:01
Tadthebuilderwireless transmit06:01
Tadthebuilderyour talk06:02
Tadthebuilderfor the audience of the other talk06:02
Tadthebuilderusing a mobile device06:02
Pavlovwonder how good wifi will be06:02
Tadthebuilderlike the n900 (or if you dont have one yet an n800)06:02
Tadthebuilderim just thinking that if wifi isnt good they should of picked a different location06:02
GeneralAntillesPavlov, capacity planning says "good". Typical conference performance histories say "awful".06:02
Pavlovmaybe i can get a sim card over there06:03
Tadthebuilderi think hogwash06:03
Tadthebuilderis full of hogwash06:03
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GeneralAntillesMove on. ;)06:04
Tadthebuildernot that I really know06:04
Tadthebuilderim just here because im bored06:05
Tadthebuilderand its late06:05
Tadthebuilderand im trying to make myself tired06:05
Tadthebuilderso talk so programming language talk and get me to fall asleep06:05
Pavlovthink you're just making everyone else tired:)06:05
disco_stumy n800 battery is lasting almost nothing :/06:05
Tadthebuilderbuy a new one06:05
disco_stui have a new one06:05
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, filling it was mayonnaise was not a good plan.06:05
disco_stuGeneralAntilles, ?06:06
Tadthebuilderdo you have a program06:06
Tadthebuildernot allowing06:06
Tadthebuilderthe processor to go into idle?06:06
GeneralAntillesdisco_stu, a couple ounces of mayonnaise does not a new battery make.06:06
disco_stuTadthebuilder, nah, the old bat is lasting less than 2 hours06:06
TadthebuilderI think some alarm clock did that to me in the past06:06
disco_stuGeneralAntilles, in fact i spilled a yogur to mi n80006:07
Tadthebuilderwell how long is the new one lasting?06:07
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disco_stutableteer, 406:07
disco_stuTadthebuilder, 4 or more, depends06:07
Tadthebuildermaybe you received a low quality or used battery?06:08
Tadthebuildermy n800 is two years old and I still have 6-7 hour battery life in active use06:08
Tadthebuilderlonger than that06:08
Tadthebuilderif just playing music06:08
disco_studont know, maybe the weather here is what makes them deteriorate06:09
Tadthebuilderwell batteries do deteriorate over time06:10
TadthebuilderI may be wrong06:10
Tadthebuilderand if I am wrong the general will correct me06:10
Tadthebuilderbut heat kills batteries faster than anything else06:10
Tadthebuilderthankfully the n800 dont generate much heat06:10
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disco_stuTadthebuilder, in this precise moment i picked my n800 it said half bat, in a no time it said low bat in a few seconds, recharge and the unit shutdow06:11
Tadthebuilderbut thats why its good to use a holster with a phone06:11
Tadthebuilderless heat if its away from your body06:11
Pavlovi keep my n810 covered in ice to keep it cool06:11
disco_stuhere winter is very cold and summer is very hot06:11
Tadthebuilderthat seems over kill pavlov06:12
Tadthebuildersince no boring talk is happening here06:12
disco_stumaybe i should reflash or something06:12
Tadthebuilderim going to try another method of bringing about sleep06:12
disco_stutake load applet out ? what do you say ?06:12
GeneralAntillesMan, my typo rate is skyrocketing.06:12
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Tadthebuilderi meant litterally06:13
Tadthebuildertrying to get myself to fall asleep06:13
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Tadthebuilderas in rest06:13
Tadthebuilderon a bed06:13
Tadthebuilderwith eyes closed06:13
Tadthebuilderentering into a state of dreams06:13
Tadthebuilderbut you could of bought a bad battery06:13
Tadthebuilderor something06:13
TadthebuilderI dont really know06:13
Tadthebuilderi dont know much06:13
Ppupnikwow i get my own freenode server06:14
disco_stuTadthebuilder, wifi kills it06:14
Tadthebuilderwifi should drain your battery some faster06:14
Tadthebuilderbut i think their is a way to see the percentage of each running program of processor use06:14
Macersome faster than what? bt?06:14
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disco_stuTadthebuilder, with htop06:15
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Maceri always figured the 3G modem would kill an n900 faster than anything06:15
Macermost 3G modems are powerwhores06:15
Tadthebuilderusing a high percentage06:15
TadthebuilderI dont believe 3g exists06:15
TadthebuilderI think its imaginary06:15
Tadthebuilder(okay ill stop saying stupid things now)06:15
Macerits just edge with update firmware?06:15
TadthebuilderI think edge sounds cooler06:16
Tadthebuilderyour on the edge06:16
Maceri'm really curius if i can use a cricket 3G modem with my touchbook06:16
Macerthat would be so awesome06:16
Tadthebuildertouchbooks look sweet06:17
TadthebuilderI tried to talk my fiance into buying one06:17
Tadthebuilderand told her she could put the tablet on the refridgerator06:17
Tadthebuilderwhile she cooked (not being a sexist, she likes to cook)06:17
Tadthebuilderand was like you could watch you tube cooking videos06:17
Tadthebuilderor have recipies on it06:17
Tadthebuilderor both. and she told me that paper was cheaper...06:17
Macerdoes it even have youtube support?06:17
TadthebuilderI dont know06:18
Tadthebuilderbut it was a nice try on my part06:18
Macerthat would require flash wouldn't it?06:18
Tadthebuilderor a substitute06:18
Maceri'm not sure if they have flash in whatever os they are using. i think a modded angstrom06:18
Maceryoutube stores stuff in mp4 also06:18
Tadthebuilderbut Ubuntu Mobile for arm has been compiled06:18
Macerso they might have some 3rd party crap06:18
Tadthebuilderand ran on it06:18
Tadthebuilderor so I heard06:18
Tadthebuildermaybe thats a legend06:18
Maceri'll probably stick wtih the stock stuff for a bit06:18
TadthebuilderIts really late06:18
Maceri got my tracking number06:18
Macerso it should be here soon :)06:19
Tadthebuilderso maybe their were people working on it06:19
TadthebuilderI pride myself on running out dated computational devices06:19
Maceroh i'm sure06:19
Tadthebuilderill keep my n800 for the next several years06:19
Macerout dated? :)06:19
Tadthebuilderand my six year old desktop06:19
Macer600MHz omap3 isn't too outdated :)06:19
luke-jrMacer: HTC Touch Pro2 w/ Linux port. :p06:19
Tadthebuilderwhat about 3 gig pentium four with 512 megs of ram?06:19
Macerluke-jr: huh?06:20
Macergo run gentoo :-P06:20
Tadthebuilderin a couple more years it wont even be able to run a browser06:20
luke-jrMacer: yes, exactly06:20
Macerat least if i run gentoo on it.. i wouldn't need a keyboard map06:20
Macerwell.. nothing special at least06:20
Macerand it might be able to compile larger things06:20
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luke-jrMacer: probably would. Fn key is a problem for Linux on all devices/hardware.06:20
luke-jrexcept hardware Fn keys06:20
luke-jrTP2 has non-Fn number row tho06:21
Macerwell. it has a full 256MB of ram06:21
Macerwhich i hear is the hard max for omap306:21
luke-jrGeneralAntilles hinted that 512 MB RAM variants exist, but are very expensive06:21
Macerit has 256M of internal flash also. not really sure what that is for06:21
Maceri'd guess the OS but i don't know yet06:22
Maceri just thought it odd because they counted it in the memory specs06:22
GeneralAntillesMacer, only because of parts availability.06:22
Maceri doubt they'd use it for a swap06:22
luke-jrTouchPro2 isn't OMAP anyway06:23
Macernewer arm tho isn't it?06:23
luke-jrnot sure06:23
Maceri'm pretty sure it is06:23
Macernot positive tho06:23
luke-jrQualcomm IIRC06:23
Macerthat mips laptop looks bust06:23
GeneralAntillesMacer, there's nothing newer than Cortex A8.06:24
Macerthe one that uses the usb key crap and the loongsoon or whatever it's called06:24
MacerGeneralAntilles: i know but i'm not sure if the touchpro2 uses older arm or new gen06:24
PavlovGeneralAntilles: except cortex a906:24
GeneralAntillesPavlov, right, but that's nowhere near market yet. ;)06:24
Macerwhat is a9.. dual or quad core?06:25
Pavlovspecs for both06:25
Pavlovbut seems to be mostly centered around dual06:25
Macerwow that would be awesome06:25
Macerif it can stay within the power requirements to actually last longer than half the time of a single core arm06:26
disco_stusomeone knows why maemo-mapper is failing with google street maps ?06:26
GeneralAntillesA lower-clocked dual-core can use significantly less power.06:26
PavlovMacer: i suspect they'll use a bit more power, if both fully on06:26
Pavlovbut you can prolly be clever around powering one off06:26
Ppupniki had my phenom down to 72 watts, running but idle06:27
Maceror do some extreme idling between cycles? :)06:27
GeneralAntillesWell, a dual-500MHz Cortex A9 will use less than half the power of a 1GHz Cortex A8.06:27
GeneralAntillesSignificantly less than half.06:27
Macerbut you lose time on single threaded apps06:27
luke-jryou can probably turn off the cores independently?06:28
Macerheh. that would suck depending on what you are doing06:28
luke-jrI would imagine.06:28
luke-jrmaybe even change the clock on them06:28
Pavlovi doubt you'll see many 500mhz a9s06:28
GeneralAntillesAs an extreme example. :)06:28
Macerextreme throttling and idling? :)06:28
Maceri'm picturing arms that turn into near atom crap06:28
luke-jrso you might run at 100 MHz when almost-idling, or dual 1 GHz when compiling KDE06:29
GeneralAntillesMacer, unlikely.06:29
* Macer has a special place of disgust for atoms in his heart06:29
Pavlovatoms are fast, compared to all the arm stuff06:29
luke-jrPavlov: no.06:29
luke-jrAtoms are x86. you can't compare it with ARM clock-for-clock.06:30
Pavlovbut not worth it for 10x power hit06:30
luke-jr(not that you could compare two x86 or two ARM clock-for-clock either, but x86 vs ARM is even more significantly different)06:30
Pavlovluke-jr: i can subjectively compare them for lots of things06:30
Pavlovrunning linux, browsing the web, etc06:31
Pavlovand the atoms are faster -- there really is no doubt06:31
Pavlovbut i certainly don't want an atom in my pocket :)06:31
luke-jrPavlov: do you know the meaning of "clock-for-clock"? :)06:31
Pavlovi am not comparing them clock-for-clock, nor did I ever06:31
Pavlovi simply stated that atoms are faster06:32
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MacerPavlov: i think you are correct but what is there really to compare it to?06:32
Maceromap2 n8x0s?06:32
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Macernot to mention that atoms are also able to address much larger amounts of ram06:33
luke-jrI doubt that will be a problem for handhelds too soon06:33
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Pavlovdon't get me wrong, i like where ARM is heading06:33
Pavlovtheir power story is amazing06:33
Macerluke-jr: i doubt that handheld arms will have a ton of memory any time soon06:33
Macertakes a lot to power ram :)06:33
luke-jrMacer: exactly my point06:34
luke-jrwho needs > 3 GB RAM support when you don't even use 1 GB RAM yet06:34
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Macerheh. maybe not on an arm yet06:34
* luke-jr ponders a handheld that has 1 GB RAM, but only powers it up in 256 MB increments as needed06:34
Macerthat would be interesting06:35
Macerbut would probably require a backpack battery06:35
Macerwhen it was fully powered06:35
Macereither way. my touchbook is the strongest arm based thing i can get a hold of right now so i am anxious to see how well it can perform06:36
Macerplaying 1080p on x86 hardware requires like at least a dual 2GHz system06:36
Macermaybe a little less for 720p. and from what i've heard the touchbook can play 720p06:37
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Pavlovwhat touchbook?06:39
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Pavlovvideo is one of those things that really belongs on the gpu06:40
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rm_youor, night07:10
* rm_you scuttles about07:11
johnxrm_you, hey, I'm gonng be in Amsterdam next week. wanna meet me there and grab lunch? :D07:12
rm_yousure, sounds cool07:12
rm_youlemmie go pack really quick07:12
johnxhey, other maemo guys. anyone up for a trip to amsterdam?07:12
* rm_you needs to find his n800 <_<07:13
johnxah, and I think I'll hit the airport samish time as you07:13
GeneralAntillesI'm going to Amsterdam too07:13
GeneralAntillesHow'd that happen?07:13
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GeneralAntillesTexrat has me worried07:13
GeneralAntillesI dunne where I'm staying Thursday night.07:13
johnxGeneralAntilles, it's a popular place :)07:13
rm_youmy n800 has been gathering dust for a month or so... SOMEWHERE... <_<07:13
rm_youyeah, are we covered thursday night?07:14
johnxGeneralAntilles, ahaha, don't worry too much. in the worst case there are hostels all over the place07:14
rm_youi mean, i need thurs-sun night07:14
rm_younot sure how many of those are covered >_>07:14
* johnx shrugs07:14
rm_youat least fri-sat, but...07:14
johnxsome might be07:14
johnxmaybe some aren't07:14
rm_youi hope thursday is07:14
johnxI think thurs is07:14
GeneralAntillesLot of people getting in Thursday07:14
rm_youdunno if sunday is07:14
GeneralAntillesDidn't realize the reservations start Friday.07:15
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johnxthat's the one I don't know07:15
GeneralAntillesWonder if we can get into the hotel a night early.07:15
rm_youGA: we DONT have hotel thursday? O_o07:15
rm_youor are you speculating07:15
GeneralAntillesTexrat seems to think not.07:15
GeneralAntillesI'm not sure.07:15
* rm_you checks wiki for any pertinent info07:15
GeneralAntillesYou guys want to try to book 3 into a room? :P07:15
rm_youheh if we need to07:16
johnxwould it be cheaper than a youth hostel?07:16
rm_youactually i wonder if i could get us a place07:16
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rm_youi have some contacts07:16
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rm_youwill poke one of my friends, he is from NL somewhere, parents still live there, but are always out of the country :P lol07:17
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rm_youi mean the whole country is like 30 minutes across, isn't it? O_o07:18
rm_youor an hour07:18
johnxdunno. I'd feel kinda weird in that situation07:18
johnxthink I'll just setup camp in a youth hostel. plus, I wanna be in the city07:18
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GeneralAntillesSomebody ought to call the hotel and see if we can get in a night early.07:20
johnxthey have reservations07:20
johnxeither the rooms are reserved or not07:20
johnxif they aren't, we pay07:20
johnxand it's more fun if we don't know in advance07:21
johnxwhy does everyone worry so much about this stuff? I bet you guys read plot spoilers before movies too...07:21
GeneralAntillesI hate going into anything without a plan.07:22
rm_you|i worry about extra money i have to spend, that's all :P07:22
Pavlovoh hm, i should book a hotel07:22
johnxthe best plan is a whole bunch of tactics for dealing with problems you expect to crop up07:22
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johnxbut having this plan that x y and z will happen in order is a lot less flexible than planning for any (or all) of x y and z to either happen or not happen07:24
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rm_youworst case I use the clothes from my duffel as a pillow and hope it's a warm night ;P07:25
rm_youwe can take shifts on guard duty ^_^07:25
GeneralAntillesChrist, the Ibis Hotels website is so broken.07:25
* johnx adds amsterdam to his weather applet07:25
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johnxrm_you, not warm07:26
GeneralAntillesYeah, what is the weather.07:26
rm_youso i wear ALL of my clothes :P07:26
GeneralAntillesI have no idea what to pack.07:26
rm_youI am gonna need to find out if i OWN any longsleeve shirts07:27
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johnx53F @ 6AM (or so says the gnome weather applet)07:27
rm_yousince moving to TX for this long, i've pretty much ditched all of them07:27
* GeneralAntilles the Florida boy shivers.07:27
johnxsame as WA for the most part07:27
rm_youeh, 53 isn't too bad07:27
rm_youthough I have to set the AC on so it will get down to 72F at night here O_o07:28
johnxtemp range looks like maybe 50 - 6007:28
GeneralAntillesI wish they had Holiday Inns over there. ;)07:29
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johnxGeneralAntilles, just let rm_you and I handle all the eventualities. I can't see many situations where we'd end up sleeping outside... :D07:30
rm_youCAMPING TRIP! :P07:31
* rm_you packs a travel tent07:31
* johnx looks up where the redlight district is07:31
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GeneralAntillesYeesh, $225.50 for one night for 3 people.07:34
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johnx$22/night/person at the flying pig07:36
GeneralAntillesHow far away from the Summit?07:36
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* johnx googles07:37
johnxthe site is hostelworld if you guys wanna do some parallel processing :)07:37
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johnxit's like a couple blocks from the hotel07:39
GeneralAntillesWhich location, the Downtown one?07:39
rm_youIch müß meine Deutsch Hausaufgaben machen... :(07:39
johnxflying pig downtown07:39
johnxrm_you, I think your keyboard is b0rken07:40
rm_youDoch, es ist nicht kaput!07:40
johnxkimi no kibodo ga sukarenai (tabun...)07:41
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johnxsooo, flying pig downtown seems to come with a free contact high. heh.07:42
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GeneralAntilles"surrounded by non-stop Amsterdam action!"07:43
GeneralAntillesI'm going to be dead be the end of the weekend.07:43
johnxyou're only young once07:43
johnxyou can sleep when you're dead07:43
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GeneralAntillesAh well, you guys figure it out and tell me where to pay. :P07:44
johnxhmm...don't see a reason to pay until we're sure that Nokia is actually gonna fly a whole bunch of people in with no place to stay07:44
johnxthough...I guess planning on this was kinda mixed between Nokia's travel agency and the council?07:45
GeneralAntillesYeah, and I was really lazy. :P07:45
* johnx rolls his eyes07:46
GeneralAntillesHey, better that than burnt out. :)07:46
johnxbetter burn out than fade away :P07:46
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johnxbut, really what are the chances they have someplace for us thursday night?07:46
GeneralAntillesDunno, emailing -community now to confirm one way or the other.07:47
johnxonce we're 90% sure I'll tell you where to pay up07:47
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johnxGeneralAntilles, what is your feeling about walking? pro or against?07:48
GeneralAntillesWalking I can do.07:49
johnxgreat. makes things easier07:49
GeneralAntillesAvoiding an atmosphere of insanity is ideal if that's the choice you're giving me. :D07:49
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johnxtrying to find someplace cheap and well rated, w/ breakfast if possible07:50
johnxsaves a good chunk of cash usually07:50
johnxalso: wifi07:51
RST38hRadio-Controlled Cyborg Beetles Become Reality!07:51
RST38hEHLO all07:51
johnxall is not a valid hostname. disconnecting07:51
johnxNO CARRIER07:52
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johnxyeah, I have three decent looking options, but I guess we really do need to hurry up and book. not too many beds left...08:01
GeneralAntillesOn a completely unrelated note, man the '09 Mac Pros run quiet.08:03
Stskeepzuh, isn't hotel sponsorship for thursday night too?08:04
GeneralAntillesStskeepz, I have no idea.08:04
johnxStskeepz, we're planning for eventualities08:04
Stskeepzbecause it's bloody insane if it's not08:04
GeneralAntillesProblem is, the vast majority of people are getting in Friday, no?08:05
Stskeepzno, thu08:05
Stskeepzsummit starts 9.00 fri08:05
RST38hOtherwise, you miss most of Friday08:05
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GeneralAntillesWell, we may have to blame Texrat.08:06
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RST38hWhat are the suggested actions once you arrive to Amsterdam, anyway? Do you go to that hotel prebooked by Nokia and look for a Summit representative there?08:07
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StskeepzRST38h: in cph we went to hotel and we were pre-listed08:08
johnxRST38h, way it worked for Danish weekend is that they had our names on a list and we showed them passports08:08
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, is going to be waiting in a dark alley with a cudgel to sell us into the code monkey business.08:09
RST38hjohnx,Sts: acknowledged08:10
johnxRST38h, well, actually the way it worked was that our names were on a list and then they gave us the wrong room numbers and our keys didn't work and we had to wait a while08:10
Stskeepzor that i wasn't on the list, heh08:12
* Stskeepz really doesn't hope that planning was so stupid as to not have the nights as thu nigh, fri night, sat night08:14
RST38hjohnx: Ah, the usual then08:16
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StskeepzWe have booked 40 twin rooms to host 80 sponsored participants08:16
Stskeepz8 - 11 October 200908:16
StskeepzAmerican buffet breakfast included08:16
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johnxso, why was texrat worried?08:18
* Myrtti spams a bit (don't kick me, atleast too hard)08:18
Stskeepzjohnx: i actually got worried for a sec cos i was confused too08:19
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johnxrm_you, I think we still need to handle sunday night. what about you GeneralAntilles?08:20
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, yeah, I think so.08:21
johnxluckily that shouldn't be as crowded08:21
GeneralAntillesWhere's the airport in relation to things?08:22
rm_youif you book, is it 10% and then pay the rest there as usual?08:23
rm_youcause i can pay you back the 10% if you want to book for sunday08:23
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Stskeepzwhen were you two flying in? can't find you on
johnxdidn't post there yet08:31
johnxit's like ~8AM thursday08:31
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GeneralAntillesjohnx, where you flying in from?08:35
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Stskeepzwoo, my experimental fremantle beta2 kernel compile succeeded08:42
johnxway to roll the dice. maybe you should buy a lottery ticket :)08:43
RST38hMyrtti: what is "loco"? (other than Spanish for "crazy")08:43
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MyrttiRST38h: Local Community08:46
MyrttiRST38h: Ubuntu local chapters in a way08:47
johnxrm_you, adding you to the "travel plans" page08:48
rm_youyou still have my travel link I take it? :P08:49
johnxit appears so08:49
johnxI have maemo logs going back into the prehistoric age :)08:49
rm_youappreciated, by the way, I'm currently trying to finish this ridiculously cheesy german essay thing while my GF is trying to sleep, it's overall aggrivating because she can't sleep well with the light on and i want to be asleep with her <_<08:49
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rm_youso any less things i have to do now08:50
rm_youis nice08:50
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rm_youspeaking of, alt-tabbing back to that until i get pinged again :)08:50
m-voJaffa, hermes is so cool!08:50
m-voJaffa, but it doesn't run for me. :-)08:50
m-vognome.conf module is missing.  is that known?08:51
RST38hMyrtti: Ah =)08:52
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Stskeepzmorning m-vo :)08:53
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johnxmornin' m-vo09:02
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* m-vo is reminded of the fish tank scene in one of the Monty Python movies...09:04
m-vospeaking of which: Hermes doesn't start because the gnome.gconf Python module is missing.  In which package would that be?09:04
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johnxm-vo, python-gconf or python-gnome maybe?09:07
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johnxrm_you, booking us for sunday at the flying pig09:12
m-voSo, now where do I file the bug.... my first contribution to Fremantle....09:12
johnx(free shuttle to airport is what tipped the scale)09:12
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tigertJaffa: hermess has missing dep to python-gconf09:16
m-voJaffa, no, to gnome-python09:17
tigertand gnome-python09:18
tigertyeah, noticed09:18
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m-votigert, ahh, both?09:23
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johnxGeneralAntilles, want me to book you in the flying pig for sunday night?09:25
johnxthat's where I'm booking adam09:25
GAN800johnx, yeah, that'd be great.09:30
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johnxGAN800, between $30 and $40 USD. that ok?09:31
GAN800Send me the bill and I'll PayPal you in the morning.09:33
johnxI pay 10% up front, so just bring me cash in Amsterdam09:33
johnxor uhm...also you could not worry about it and buy me a beer09:34
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wazdmornin' everyone)10:01
Stskeepsmorning wazd :)10:01
wazdI'm back in the asylum :D10:01
johnxwazd, enjoy the bouncy walls and the stylish jacket :)10:02
wazdno, I'm still as a visitor :P10:02
wazdThey don't give jackets to visitors((10:03
wazdI want my jacket! Now!!11 ARRR!10:03
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wazdjohnx: Are you still in Tokyo?)10:09
Shapeshifterit's not long until the n900 is released mhhhh10:10
jormahow long?10:10
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johnxwazd, nope. been back in the US for exactly half a year today :)10:11
Shapeshifterlike, three weeks or so?10:13
Shapeshifteror not? It's getting listed everywhere, seems like suppliers are getting dates10:13
wazdjohnx: ooh :) Silly me :P10:13
Shapeshifterthey said "october" which I interpret as beginning of november, but it seems like it might be on time, mid-october.10:14
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johnxwazd, so are you any closer to breaking free?10:17
Captain_Picard /lastlog http10:17
Captain_Picard /lastlog http10:17
wazdjohnx: well, kinda)10:17
wazdjohnx: in theory I already have necessary papers but in fact I need a ton of other crap10:18
wazdSo I'm traveling around Moscow, collecting that crap like fucking Mario :D10:19
johnxmore like legend of zelda10:19
johnx"You need the big key!"10:19
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wazdWell, like any arcade/adventure :P10:20
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RST38hwazd: Ok, by now we know who Koopas are, but who is gonna be the Princess Toadstool?10:22
johnxRST38h, you played the first SMB, right? "The princess is in another castle!"10:22
johnxso I think the princess must represent that "final" paper he needs10:22
wazdRST38h: don't ask mate, don't ask :D10:24
Jaffatigert m-vo: Ah, yes! Thanks10:25
JaffaI knew I'd forgotten one10:25
* Jaffa will do another release today10:26
Stskeepswazd: there's a joshua.maverick that actually seems to do icons and artwork well. reel him in? ;)10:27
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Stskeepson talk10:28
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wazdStskeeps: Sure)10:28
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wazdStskeeps: any examples of his work?10:28
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Stskeepswazd: has some i think10:29
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Stskeeps(links to products he's helping out in as well)10:29
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wazdCan you link to a specific image cause I'm thru edge)10:31
wazdWell, pretty good :)10:34
tigertJaffa: how long should hermes take?10:35
wazdHave something to work on but honestly way better than I expected :)10:35
tigertits been doing its Retrieve-thing for a hour10:35
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Maceri was watching a law class on never talking to the police10:36
Macerit was great10:36
tigertglobal name 'FacebookError' is not defined10:36
Maceri don't kno wwho was better. the professor or the former police officer10:36
johnxMacer, haha. saw that one :)10:36
Macerwhere at the end he showed stewart and jones? :)10:37
Jaffatigert: Hmm. That could be the missing python-gnome dependency10:37
tigertinstalled that by hand already10:37
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Maceri had no idea jones used steroids10:37
Macermaybe because i was in iraq when she was convicted10:38
Macerdidn't have much time to watch the news10:38
johnxMacer, dude. you *were* the news10:39
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Macerwtf is shot put?10:45
Maceroh. it's when you throw the heavy metal ball thing10:46
Macerok. for a second there i thought it was a golf thing :)10:46
Macerand was wondering why someone would require steroids for it haha10:46
Jaffatigert: How many friends do you have?10:46
tigertJaffa: twitter worked10:46
tigertfacebook says that facebookerror is not defined10:46
Jaffatigert: Yup, got that fixed just now. Thanks.10:47
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, I'm hardly a code monkey10:47
crashanddieGeneralAntilles, however, you would be good sales opportunity, maybe I could become a codemonkey reseller10:48
tigertJaffa: some progressbar or such in a dialog might be nice :)10:51
tigertJaffa: so it basically gets avatars and extra info?10:51
MacerUFC hall of famer Royce Gracie tested positive for Nandrolone after defeating his long time rival Kazushi Sakuraba, he was fined $2,500 and suspended for the remainder of his license10:52
Macerwow.. no way10:52
tigerthow does it get my facebook login info ?10:52
CorsacMacer: in the race to my door between the n900 and the touchbook, the latter has taken the lead10:52
Macerthe n900?10:53
Maceri thought you hadn't received an email10:53
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Macerare n900s available now?10:53
RST38hThe [court] order is to be served against an unknown Twitter user who anonymously posts to the site using the same name as a right-wing political blogger.10:53
mavhcis it not obviously satire?10:54
CorsacMacer: now I have :)10:54
Maceroh. you got one??10:54
Macerwow. lucky you :)10:54
Macerget the tracking number too?10:54
Corsacnot yet10:54
Corsacthat's the next step10:54
Corsacwell no the next step is the credit card beeing charged :p10:55
Maceryeah.. took a few hours after receiving the "charged credit card" one10:55
Macerthat's awesome10:55
Macerat least now there will be people i can bitch to when it doesn't work right haha10:55
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johnxmavhc, if I managed to get your IRC nick on a different network and pretended to be you, would it be satire? (though the question remains whether it's actually a crime)10:56
Macermine still hasn't shipped yet and i got the tracking number like 2 days ago10:56
Macerthen again. it's usps10:56
Macerit's probably going to show up tomorrow afternoon10:56
mavhcdepends how funny you were10:56
mavhchalf of the time I'm satirising myself anyway10:57
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johnxmavhc, alright, I'm nominating you as the internet judge of the funnies10:57
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mavhcorder!, order! - pint of beer and some crisps please10:58
johnx*crows boos* :P10:58
infobotjohnx meant: *crowd boos* :P10:59
mavhceven the crows hated that one11:00
johnxyeah, but booing? maybe ghost crows...11:01
Macerwow.. we can thank ze Germans for nazism.. AND cocaine!11:03
MacerThe cocaine alkaloid was first isolated by the German chemist Friedrich Gaedcke in 1855. Gaedcke named the alkaloid "erythroxyline", and published a description in the journal Archiv der Pharmazie.11:03
johnx...and then got high as $(&*11:03
Macerhe probably invented "HELL YEAH!"11:04
RST38hmavhc,johnx: It is not satire it is pure unadulterated LULZ!11:04
Macerhow do you say hell yeah in german?11:05
Jaffatigert: New hermes on its way to autobuilder now11:05
tigerthow long does it take to get to repo?11:05
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Stskeepshmm, next sprint meeting is when?11:08
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MacerThe actual amount of cocaine that Coca-Cola contained during the first twenty years of its production is practically impossible to determine.11:09
RST38hFor the next round of lulz, the judge should insist that Twitter delivers the court order to the user, and Twitter should finally deliver the order to the right-wing guy himself =)11:09
RST38hAfter all, the names match don't they?11:10
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johnxI just want to see a twitterfied court order. "u hav to go to court 4 takin da guy's name. see u @ 9AM."11:11
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hendryi'm looking for maemo Webkit packages, and I can't find them in the pool
hendryis there some search interface somewhere?11:14
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johnxhmm. maybe there isn't a webkit for fremantle yet, given that Nokia uses gecko for their browser11:15
suihkulokkihendry: there is no (official) webkit for maemo (maemo's browser is based on mozilla)11:15
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hendrywell is there an official one? I just want to have a quick peek at the packaging to see if there are any special build switches11:16
hendry/s/official/UNofficial sorry11:17
johnxwell, you could be the first to try your luck with one :)11:18
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johnxThe place to start would probably be the diablo webkitgtk11:18
hendryonly took me 10 minutes of searching :)11:25
X-Fadehendry: Talk to qwerty12_N810 .11:25
X-Fadehendry: He uploaded that package and did some tweaks.11:25
hendry is a bit old skool. A search UI would be nice.11:25
hendryX-Fade: thanks I'll msg him11:26
tigertJaffa: now it authenticates with facebook at least11:26
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tigertHermes, the greek god doesnt talk much :)11:26
tigertoh, progressbar!11:26
X-Fadetigert: Maybe he's just .. modest? :)11:27
Macerif a woman has a right to choose what to do to her body.. then why can't i snort a kilo of cocaine?11:27
johnxMacer, because you didn't make it in your uterus11:27
Macerjohnx: but the probability of dying from cocaine overdose is probably just as high as an abortion11:27
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Macerwhat a one sided world we live in. i was reading up about how cocaine was sold in local stores11:28
Macerto children as tooth ache drops11:28
Macerno wonder children back in the day were so much more obedient.. they were all strung out on the magic tooth ache drops11:28
johnxmommy *SNIIIIIFF* mommy my teef *SNIFF* *SniFFF* hurrt11:28
tigert"updated 71 contacts"11:29
johnxtigert, rockin'11:29
tigertJaffa: so what info should I look for? pics, birthdays and stuff?11:29
Corsactigert: contact sync?11:30
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Maceri need more drops! I NEED THEM!! (goes to plow the field for another hit of "tooth ache drops")11:30
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tigertCorsac: Hermes11:44
tigertJaffa: neat11:44
tigertJaffa: at least avatar image fetching worked11:44
kyndeFor the record, I was here earlier asking what's wrong with masquerade in n810 diablo and I finally worked it out. I was using the layer 3 independent version of connection tracking (nf_conntrack et al) which for whatever reason, just doesn't work with diablo kernel. The layer 3 dependent (now obsolete ip_conntrack et al) work just fine.11:45
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tigertJaffa: what logic does it use to match addressbook people with facebook people?11:45
kyndeAlso for the record, the extras devel has iptables-nat but it's 0.2 version is busted. The earlier version would already contain necessary modules for those not interested in tinkering with a kernel themselves.11:45
tigertJaffa: also, would be sweet to also *import* people who dont exist in phone but do exist in facebook and contain phonenumbers or such?11:46
tigertor does it do that already?11:46
Corsactigert: hmhm, what's Hermes? :/11:46
tigertCorsac: jaffas app11:46
tigertin fremantle-extras11:46
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Corsacyeah but I have no way to run anything fremantle yet :)11:47
Corsacso I still don't know what hermes does11:48
Corsac ha; this one?11:48
tigertCorsac: yeah11:48
tigertJaffa: it doesnt seem to match all my facebook friends though11:49
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tigertJaffa: this is an awesome idea though11:53
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tigertlunchtime &12:01
MikhoDoes anybody know anything about N810 or N900 GPS chip compatibility with EGNOS?12:01
tigertthe european gps thingy?12:02
Corsaceuropean gps is galileo, and not really available atm :)12:03
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johnxtigert, wow, you return()ed from lunch quick!12:03
Mikhoyes, it's a european gps thingy12:04
CorsacThe EGNOS ground stations receive signals sent out by the US GPS satellites.12:04
tigertso its like WAAS in the US?12:04
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Jaffatigert: It takes name from address book, applies name variants (e.g. "Michael" and "Mike") and tries to match it against Facebook & Twitter "real names".12:12
Jaffatigert: Birthdays aren't completely hooked up yet. I'm trying to see what useful info I could get from Facebook - it seems *an* email address is possible (a proxy email which FB provides)12:13
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Jaffatigert: I'm going to add a manual mapping ability; with more heuristic guessing which you review. e.g. "Michael Von Damme" -> "Mike Dam"12:14
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Ppupnikusing a standard algo for fuzzy match Jaffa?12:19
Captain_Picardwhen is galileo going to be available12:19
Captain_Picardand will it offer any improvements12:19
Captain_Picardcompared to normal gps12:19
Ppupnikone thing it appears to share woth gps12:20
Ppupnikthe US govt can command it be turned-off12:20
Ppupniksecret agreements12:20
JaffaPpupnik: One of the edit distance ones, probably12:20
Ppupnikmaybe outdated info12:20
RST38hbetween US govt and Satan, I hope? =)12:20
glass__anyone can order anything to be done.. such agreement would imply wartime12:20
RST38hglass: Not necessarily12:21
glass__and in wartime all kinds of agreements tend to get thrown out of window anyhow12:21
Ppupniki suggest avoiding reliance on both12:21
tigertJaffa: it doesnt seem to work for every contact12:21
tigertit said it updated 5212:22
tigerthow do i know what it updated?12:22
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* RST38h suggests that raising the fuel costs tenfold will make consumer GPS obsolete12:25
Jaffatigert: If you run it from the command line, it outputs a log. Next version will show a contact list of updated ones12:26
johnxRST38h, those standalone units? or GPS as part of a cell phone?12:26
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RST38hjohnx: Standalone of course. Not sure about part of cell phone thing, but guess they will take a hit too12:27
RST38hjohnx: (I am assuming here that people won't start walking, they will just switch to public transport)12:27
tigertJaffa: why does it keep popping the notificaion N times?12:28
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Jaffatigert: No idea. I know it does, but not sure why.12:28
Jaffatigert: The UI is about 48 hours old ;-)12:28
johnxRST38h, they're way more popular as part of cellphones in Japan than in the states. think about that one. :)12:28
fralsJaffa: really nice app :)12:29
RST38hjohnx: Hmm...true... =)12:29
tigertJaffa: maybe it pops the notification inside the foreach loop :)12:29
Jaffatigert: Shouldn't do :)12:29
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tigertlog says it gets photo, shrinks it12:30
tigertbut it doesnt show up12:30
johnxRST38h, actually, let me dig up a TV spot that's pretty funny (it's really big business, multiple navigation apps, cell carriers trying to convince users that their navi app is the best)12:30
Jaffatigert: Hmm. Does it say "Modified 1 record"?12:31
tigertModified 012:31
Jaffatigert: What's the contact name?12:31
tigertthere are several, let me see12:31
tigertno weird chars or such12:31
RST38hjohnx: The address system is a mess, isn't it?12:32
Jaffatigert: Nothing unicodey?12:32
johnxnow that's a question of perspective, but yeah, kinda12:32
tigertwhat are the log numbers?12:32
johnxit's also a question of lots of options12:32
tigertstuff like:12:33
tigert282 31312:33
tigert282 31312:33
tigert282 31312:33
tigertthe first one increments12:33
tigertN of N I guess12:33
johnxRST38h, stuff like 3 different trains routes, where each one might be faster at a certain time of day, given when the connections are leaving/arriving from intermediate stations12:33
RST38hjohnx: Sounds like NYC12:34
Jaffatigert: Correct12:34
tigertdoes it detect already updated ones?12:35
tigertthe fbook photo urls are all correct12:35
tigertI can load them and it shows them fine12:35
tigertbut they dont end up in the addressbook12:35
* tigert wonders if those should update on the fly12:35
Captain_Picarddoes maemo 5 support msn messenger?12:35
tigertat least some of those did12:35
johnxRST38h, yeah, like new york in that new york's train system is a like a scale model of tokyo's12:35
StskeepsCaptain_Picard: maybe through telepathy?12:35
Captain_Picarddoesnt support?12:35
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Jaffatigert: I've had Contacts open and seen the photo update. Close Contacts & reopen to be sure?12:36
StskeepsCaptain_Picard: OOB or able to use? :P12:36
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tigertJaffa: I see some updated12:37
Jaffatigert: Does the photo URL correspond to a JPEG? i.e. the MIME type isn't something weird?12:37
Jaffa(such as image/png ;-))12:37
tigertand for them it says "Updated 1 records"12:37
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tigertfound interesting bug12:37
Jaffatigert: Oh?12:38
tigertin contacts12:38
JaffaAh :)12:38
Jaffatigert: That suggests that the Python bit has found a contact match, but when it invokes the C program to update the photo, the C app can't find any contact with the given name.12:38
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tigertJaffa: for some I have duplicates12:39
tigertbut thats not the case for all either12:39
tigertis there a commandline thing I could try to run by hand to see if thre is an error?12:39
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Jaffatigert: /opt/hermes/bin/contact-update 'name' --photo 'file'12:39
johnxRST38h, try this on for size:
tigertJaffa: ok12:40
tigert"modified 0 records"12:42
tigertJaffa: --photo image/jpeg file you mean12:42
Jaffatigert: Ah yes.12:43
Jaffatigert: If you open the contact in question, is all the name in one of the fields vs. split first/last?12:43
Jaffa        EBookQuery *query = e_book_query_field_test(E_CONTACT_FULL_NAME, E_BOOK_QUERY_IS, argv[1]);12:44
tigertJaffa: those people do not initially have an avatar12:44
JaffaIs the line of code which does the matching in contact-update12:44
tigertJaffa: that is it12:44
tigertI set a custom one12:44
tigertand then the contact-update ran fine12:44
tigertand updated it12:44
tigertJaffa: all gtalk contacts have avatars :)12:44
tigertbut most of my phone contacts do not12:44
Maceri wnat my touchbook!!!!12:45
Jaffatigert: Indeed, and so it shouldn't try to update them unless you say "Update" rather than "Retrieve"12:45
tigertbecause they are from my N95 originally and contain just the name + phonenumber12:45
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tigertJaffa: you should try to update, sure12:45
tigertbut maybe "set"? or how the api is?12:45
tigertits kinda weird if it fails if avatar doesnt exist in the first place?12:45
Macercan an n900 get google contacts?12:45
Jaffatigert: I mean the two buttons on the front. One'll not change any which have an avatar/picture already; the second will overwrite existing ones.12:45
Jaffatigert: It definitely will put pictures against things which do not have a picture (the main use case). And you can unset a contact's photo by selecting the top-left blue man in the picture chooser in Contacts.12:46
tigertJaffa: in my case, those contacts had no avatar, but facebook had pics for them12:46
tigertJaffa: this is what happened12:46
tigertJaffa: I saved an avatar by hand12:46
tigerttried to run the commmandline with that image12:47
tigertit failed12:47
tigertopened that contact in Contacts12:47
tigertset a custom avatar of a silly yellow penguin12:47
tigertran the commandline again12:47
tigertand it worked now12:47
Jaffatigert: Hmm. I need that contact record (or a similar one) to see what was the initial set up12:47
* tigert wonders how to get that the easiest way12:49
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tigertchanged the name and number of course12:54
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tigertbut this is what it has12:54
Macerhell yeah. new ncis episodes12:55
lardmanyay, no more segfaults in my scrapers12:56
tigertJaffa: after I set the avatar by hand:12:57
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tigertJaffa: then it has PHOTO-entry, REV is in different format13:00
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tigertbut this is via contacts export. so it could be just that too13:01
Jaffatigert: What does the PHOTO entry look like? And is there a name change?13:01
tigertname is the same13:01
JaffaOK, thanks. I'll import a contact like that and see why it's being odd.13:02
tigertI dunno, this is vcard3.0 or 2.1 depending on how I export13:03
tigertthere is N and FN -fields on 3.013:03
tigertbut the 2.1 is the same except for the PHOTO and REV-difference format13:03
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Jaffatigert: If you re-import the 2.1 card above, does contact-update then work on it?13:07
tigerthmm the one that didnt work originally?13:08
JaffaI suspect it might, and the vCard hasn't captured whatever weirdness was happening13:10
tigertI wonder why it doesnt save birthdays13:11
tigertdoes it save those separately from photos?13:11
tigertsince it doesnt seem to run the birthday update when it adds a photo too13:11
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tigertre-importing doesnt fix it13:15
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tigertsame thing happens with birthday13:17
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tigertif I add a bogus birthday, it saves a new one ok13:17
tigertthis failed one didnt have one initially13:17
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tigertdoes it get mail addresses from facebook btw?13:18
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tigertcan you get those with facebook api?13:18
Jaffatigert: It doesn't save birthdays as I've not linked them up yet13:19
Jaffatigert: You can get a "proxy" email address which goes through facebook.com13:19
Jaffatigert: shows what I can get13:20
Jaffatigert: So I'm thinking of adding website (since you can have multiple). This'll also help with resyncs for manual mapping13:20
tigertwhy would I want a proxy email?13:21
tigertI mean, a bunch of my friends have email addresses on their facebook profile13:21
tigertand it would be sweet to pull them too13:21
Jaffatigert: Which a facebook application can't read.13:21
tigertprobably for a valid reason in other ways13:22
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JaffaAh, I can't include the proxied email address anyway13:22
tigertI guess that is good for spam prevention13:24
tigertbut sucks for legit use13:24
* zerojay yawns.13:26
tigertJaffa: but yeah, can you test if you can add a contact with just phone number and name?13:26
tigertand add a photo to it with the commandlinetool?13:27
tigertit works here only if I set an avatar first13:27
tigertsame with birthday13:27
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tigertJaffa: so is it possible to pull phonenumbers?13:28
zerojayI still haven't been able to really get Hermes to work yet. Worked for Twitter... Facebook just gave me an error about "FacebookError" being undefined though.13:28
tigertzerojay: update13:28
zerojayOh, there's an update? Nice.13:29
Jaffatigert: Will do. I'll add a new contact and just set name & phone number13:29
Jaffatigert: Not from Facebook, unless I missed it in that Users.getInfo URL above13:29
tigertJaffa: I guess they are jealous of their data stored13:30
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zerojayWell... trying updated Hermes...13:34
* zerojay crosses fingers.13:34
tigert:) its python!13:35
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tigertno wait13:35
tigertbut this could be hacked to export vcards... :)13:36
tigertand then use hermes to merge them? :)13:37
tigertit might work ok13:37
zerojayOk.. um...  Hermes found 11 contacts and updated them, but my contacts app now shows everyone as offline. :)13:37
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zerojayHmm.. okay... it's all back now. Never mind.13:37
zerojayJaffa: Can we also pull their Facebook URL and pop that into a website field for each found user?13:39
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wazdPhone is dead :(13:41
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Jaffazerojay: Yup. And same for Twitter.13:44
Jaffazerojay: Then I'll use that post manual mapping to identify source data systems13:44
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zerojayexcellent. I know it was an obvious question, but I just wanted to make sure it gets in. ;)13:47
zerojaySo far, so good. I found I pretty much have to name my friends if I want to grab their data from Facebook and that's okay.13:48
zerojayCan't expect miracles. :)13:48
* Stskeeps wouldn't mind seeing facebook chat plugin too13:49
zerojayCollabora is working on that, as far as I know.13:49
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Ppupnikthe browser is the portal to the users13:51
lcukgateway drug13:54
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zerojaytigert: How easy is it to add more fields to the Address book?13:56
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tigertnow it updated that one contact that didnt before wokr13:56
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tigertzerojay: edit -> add field -> choose13:57
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tigertbut those are predefined13:57
zerojayThat's what I'm talking about. Adding a new predefined field type.13:57
tigertyou mean to extend the list of predefined ones?13:57
tigerthavent poked around13:58
zerojayAn awful lot of my friends are on Xbox Live/PSN... :)13:58
wazdmenu - actions - edit - field - add - add predefined :)13:58
Jaffazerojay: I imagine it's tricky, cos of i18n concerns13:59
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wazdAnd  password confirmation :D13:59
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zerojayWhat desktop widgets do you guys feel that you need?14:02
zerojayData use is already done... ip address probably done within the day.14:03
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tigertJaffa: too bad facebook terms of service are not in favor of screenscraping14:04
wazdPhonecall cost monitor14:04
Jaffatigert: Indeed14:04
Jaffazerojay: A nice big clock14:04
tigerthowever that addressbooker can make you vcards14:05
tigertwhich you can import directly14:05
tigertthen you need to merge though14:05
zerojayJaffa: Even with a clock already in the status bar?14:05
ccookeHmm, interesting:
* Jaffa wishes there was a "Merge All" for exact matches14:05
tigertJaffa: you could write a "merger" app?14:05
Jaffazerojay: Yeah, one taking up at least a quarter of the screen. Either nice-looking analogue or flip-clock like14:05
Jaffatigert: True. The existing merge has that handy conflict resolution14:06
zerojayccooke: YEah.. and Zenith is already 100% wrong.14:06
SpeedEvilccooke: yeah - I linked to that a while ago14:06
zerojayJaffa: Okay.14:06
ccookeSpeedEvil: sorry, missed that14:07
tigertJaffa: but exact matches you could probably just script automatically14:07
tigertbecause thats what 98% of the stuff you pull from facebook will be14:07
SpeedEvilccooke: though one of the better offers - PAYG rolling 1 month contract SIM - for 400 quid - has gone14:08
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ccookeSpeedEvil: hmm. Not bad.14:08
ccookeI was trying to see if there was anything online about CPW having the n90014:08
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Jaffatigert: maybe14:08
ccookethat would be quite a win14:08
ccookebut they don't seem to do preorders. Have to wait a month or three, it seems14:09
JaffaGah. Not clear if there are Python bindings for - that'd be a pain as it's a nice view for summarising the changes14:09
* Jaffa needs a Python binding expert such as Andy80 ;-)14:10
SpeedEvilccooke: yeah - you can basically get a few hundred minutes a month, on a 12 month contract with free internet for under the price on, which isnt bad.14:10
ccookeSpeedEvil: ... there's still the £400 PAYG sim14:10
SpeedEvilccooke: lowest I see is 44914:11
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SpeedEvilccooke: anyway - not very important for me.14:11
ccookeSpeedEvil: It's a vodaphone PAYG14:11
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SpeedEvilccooke: ah - they broke the form. 'all networks' doesn't show it14:12
pupnik35 fps atm w/o accurate graphics14:13
ccookeSpeedEvil: huh. Did on mine. Javascript glitch?14:14
pupnikwhile running tear+xchat+ssh14:14
ccookepupnik: what's wrong with the graphics?14:15
SpeedEvilccooke: maybe14:15
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pupnikaccurate graphics is an emulator toggle - disabling speeds it up14:19
panaggioI'm trying to install sdk beta 2 and I'm failing hard14:19
panaggioI've googled for hours and nothing mada me go forward14:19
crashanddie_panaggio: your google skills fail14:20
panaggiocrashanddie_ maybe14:20
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lardmanJaffa: I just spoke to someone about Python bindings for the address book14:25
lardmanI'll email him back and let him know you're interested, if you are?14:25
lardmanbbiam, need to reboot14:25
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Jaffalardman: There's python-evolution which lets you manipulate EContacts (and read it). It's the Python bindings for the osso address book widgets & functions on top of Evolution I need now :)14:30
lcukjaffa, the n900 push guys had something with the rolodex and contacts14:31
lcukim sure they said it was system contacts14:31
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Jaffalardman: There's python-evolution which lets you manipulate EContacts (and read it). It's the Python bindings for the osso address book widgets & functions on top of Evolution I need now :)14:33
Jaffalcuk: Yeah, there's stuff in C - which works14:33
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JaffaI could always go the GtkPlug & Socket route to embed a C widget14:33
lcukim *sure* they used python14:34
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lcukjust a mo14:34
lardmanah, the code I was sent was to add vCards14:34
lcuktry this for an api!14:34
lcukim sure this is what they used14:34
VDVsxRST38h, ping14:35
Stskeepswb waz114:35
waz1VDVsx: oh, heya :)14:35
waz1Stskeeps: heya))14:35
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VDVsxhey waz1 ;)14:36
lardmanbloody core dumps14:36
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Stskeepsthat sounds .. nasty14:37
lcukyeah go see a doctor14:37
waz1VDVsx: Got your email, maybe you can use just simple darker background for selection14:37
lardmanI am a doctor!14:37
waz1VDVsx: since we don't have any gloss around14:37
VDVsxwaz1, yeah I'm using it ;)14:37
VDVsxwaz1, will send you a screenshot after lunch :)14:38
waz1VDVsx: don't rush, I'm temporary unable to see it :)14:38
lardmanlcuk: how do binaries compiled using the Diablo SDK work for you on N900?14:39
lcukpersonally i have no issues14:39
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lcukbut i know some things fail badly14:39
lardmanmight be a gstreamer incompatibility14:40
lcukthats feasible14:40
lardmanwill have to recompile using the right SDK14:40
lardmanand I just rebooted to Windows to do a presentation, bad timing14:40
VDVsxwaz1, have you been kidnapped by the army ? :P14:41
lcukyeah its always the way14:41
waz1VDVsx: no, by my granddad :D14:41
VDVsxbetter then ;)14:41
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* lardman wonders why his lovely web scraping code works fine in a test harness, but not when in the app. Drat!14:43
waz1VDVsx: army has internets though :D14:44
SpeedEvilccooke: interesting in that thread 'Carphone Warehouse are trying to get me to stay with them by dangling the N900 in front of me. If it's on O2 then I'll *consider* it, but right now my PAC is burning a hole in my pocket.'14:45
VDVsxwaz1, well, but they don't want you there for Internet surfing, I guess ;)14:46
waz1VDVsx: you don't know Russian Army :D14:46
VDVsxwaz1, true, lol14:47
waz1VDVsx: personally I don't care much bout army itself, I have right skills to avoid digging holes, but I care bout leaving my mom for a year14:48
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VDVsxwaz1, :(14:49
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waz1VDVsx: but since I'm not going there after all - whatever :D14:49
VDVsxwaz1, here you can skip army easily (now), if you're a student or have a stable job14:49
waz1Vdvsx: I'm not a student anymore and I can't have stable job for now :)14:50
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VDVsxwaz1, I heard that a very successful entrepreneur (Stskeeps) will offer you a good job :P14:53
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VDVsxkidding ;)14:53
Stskeepsi wish i had the cash to hire wazd :P14:53
AnunakinHi All!14:53
AnunakinAny have maemo 5, dev tools on Gentoo Linux?14:54
waz1Stskeeps: I haven't contacted your guy ye to avoid problems for you, since I have very tricky connection14:54
lardmanStskeeps: he's expensive is he14:54
lardmanwon't get out of bed for less than £1k14:55
waz1lardman: ueel vorg 4 chizburga :D14:55
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lardmanis that Klingon, didn't look like Russian?14:55
lardmanah, transliteration14:55
lardmanI get it now, not used to talking14:55
waz1Ok, leaving connection now, hope to bbl :)14:57
lardmancu later14:57
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lardmanqwerty12_N810: ping15:01
panaggioI've followed crashanddie's link, but I still get the same error  . I'm on an turion x2 64 with ubuntu 9.04 64 and installing maemo 5 sdk beta 215:02
panaggiosorry, I've followed crashanddie_'s link15:03
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lcukJaffa, did you see the easy api15:06
lcukand does it appear to have what you need15:06
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Jaffalcuk: There's nothing in the Easy API that I can't do with python-evolution (and it's missing other stuff)15:07
Jaffalcuk: So what I'm missing now is Python code to reproduce the osso-abook widgets (e.g. scrolling contacts view with online status and thumbnail)15:08
RST38hBack in 1958, Ford designed models of its batmobile-like concept with lead-shielded uranium fission-plant.15:08
lardmancan anyone spot the error in openURL() here:
lardmanthe dialog refuses to close15:08
Jaffalcuk: Actually manipulating the database is (relatively) easy - and already done15:08
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lcukalright, just thought that api was quite nice and simple and gave some simpler access15:09
Jaffalcuk: i.e. a Python version of
Jaffalcuk: The python-evolution API isn't really any harder.15:09
lcukfair enough15:09
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panaggioI've got it to work myself. thanks anyway15:19
ccookeSpeedEvil: (back from lunch): That is, in fact, the post I linked to directly. I thought it was interesting :-)15:19
SpeedEvilah - the forum wasn't very clear15:20
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* ShadowJK wonders if anyone noticed the Nvidia(C) in the N900 manual15:22
Stskeepsthe what?15:23
Stskeepswhat part would be nvidia? :P15:23
ShadowJKbeats me :-)15:24
ShadowJKIt's on same page as GPL offer for sauce and various other copyright notices15:24
Jaffalcuk: lardman: doh -
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lardmanI see15:29
lardmannot too worried now that I've moved back to C15:30
lardmanbut I am worried about that dialog, has anyone spotted an error in there?15:30
Jaffalardman: Given up on Python for the UI?15:31
vesaanyone else having trouble connecting to
vesafor apt-get update in scratchbox that is15:31
lardmanJaffa: yeah15:31
lardmanJaffa: startup was slow and I need as much speed as possible to run the decoders at the same time as the camera display really15:32
lardmanJaffa: only took an afternoon to port back15:32
lopzhola ;)15:32
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Jaffalardman: Manual memory management pisses me off though. And I like my OO.15:33
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X-Fadevesa: echo "hosts: files dns" > /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf15:34
lardmanJaffa: yeah, keeping track of all the pointers has caused some real pain15:34
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AndrewFBlackjust got finished making my list of Os2008 themes if I'm missing any please let me know
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* ShadowJK hopes for lcars&qurgh themes on n90015:37
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mvzAndrewFBlack: nice! noticed a typo, 'Screensot'15:38
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RST38hAutomatic memory management usually causes the system to exhaust all memory15:38
RST38hI.e. you still get pointers, they just get leaked15:39
AndrewFBlackmvz, thnanks lol and its on everyone15:39
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JaffaRST38h: Yeah yeah, whatever.15:39
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lardmanJaffa: well at least dialogs work in Python, I'll give it that much ;)15:52
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lardmanhey woglinde15:53
woglindejo qwerty15:53
lardmanqwerty12: did you work out what was up with that dialog?15:53
qwerty12Hiya, woglinde15:53
qwerty12lardman: nope15:54
woglindewhich dialog?15:54
lardmanlet me find the link again15:54
lardmanopenURL, right at the bottom15:54
lardmandialog won't close15:54
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woglindethe url with qwerty?15:55
lardmanyeah, with a comment about qwerty before it15:55
woglindeyou cannt close a openURL window?15:56
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lardmannot sure I understand, in the fn openURL() I create a dialog to ask the user if they want to open the url, but I can't get the dialog to diappear once they press a button15:57
woglindedont get it15:57
lardmanhave a look at the code15:58
woglindeso if you want open it a second time it dont works15:58
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lardmanno, just close once. gtk_widget_destroy(dialog) doesn't seem to work15:58
woglindehm ah15:59
woglindenow I understand15:59
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fiferboylardman: I think dialogs do wierd things when you try to destroy them and they have the "DESTROY_WITH_PARENT" flag set...15:59
woglindelardman hm15:59
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woglindemaybe thats the problem?16:00
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lardmanI thought that was just to ensure it does get destroyed if the app is closed16:00
woglindeqt is so much nicer16:00
fiferboylardman: I think that is used when you need to preserve the dialogs contents while the parent is still extant16:01
Myrtticheesecake is faster16:01
lardmanfiferboy: ah, ok16:01
woglindelet us look into the docu16:01
fiferboylardman: In that case, you would hide the dialog instead of destroying it, and when the parent is destroyed the dialog goes with it16:01
lardmanyeah, right will try removing that one16:01
lardmancheers chaps16:01
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woglindelardman so maybee hide it16:01
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lardmannah I want it gone not hidden16:02
woglindewhy not?16:02
woglindeso its easier to open when you need it a second time16:03
woglindeonly update url16:03
woglindeshould catch so much ram16:03
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lardmanperhaps, anyway I'll try removing the flag and hopefully that will fix things16:04
woglindegood luck16:04
woglindereboot now16:04
lardmanthanks :)16:04
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fiferboyIs it considered bad form to thumbs up your own application to get it to a karma of 10? :)16:08
lardmanlol, only if you tell everyone16:09
fiferboyOops, my first mistake...16:09
lardmanI don't know actually16:09
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* qwerty12 will thumb down to balance it out ;)16:09
javispedroyou're so evil.,16:09
* fiferboy breaks qwerty12's thumbs16:09
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javispedrogoing to get pass qwerty12' filter is going to be worse than passing through the Apple Store one.16:10
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qwerty12Nah, I can be bribed with ganja16:10
javispedroqwerty12: qwertyJobs, when are you going to reject oyur first VoIP app? ;)16:10
RST38hfiferboy: Ah, don't worry shoot away =)16:11
RST38hThis reminds me though...16:11
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Stskeepswb rm_you16:39
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rm_youStskeeps: heyas17:03
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rm_youGF was using my laptop earlier while i was asleep still, lol17:03
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aakashdhey, would it be ok to post an invite to mozilla qa's testday on fennec 1.0 beta 4 ?17:11
aakashdi don't want to spam17:11
aakashdbut i'm not sure who's the op in here17:11
X-Fadeaakashd: Sure, why not?17:12
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aakashdthanks X-Fade17:14
aakashdmozQA is hold a testday on Fennec 1.0 Beta 4 in #testday on ! For those interested, come over and help test the latest and greatest Fennec build!17:14
aakashdthanks again :)17:14
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inzOops, wrong ch17:16
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liorihello, does anybody know if it will be possible to run usb port in gadget mode (to use the device as storage)?17:18
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Jaffaliori: On N900 or N8x0?17:19
lioriwell, i'm planning to buy n900...17:19
lardman~lart segfaults17:19
* infobot resizes segfaults's terminal to 40x2417:19
JaffaOh, use it as sotrage.17:19
Myrttiinz: :thumbsup:17:20
infobotJaffa meant: Oh, use it as storage.17:20
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X-Fadeliori: Yeah, the devices show up as mass storage device.17:20
Jaffaliori: Both expose the internal memory and external card as USB Mass Storage when plugged in.17:20
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Jaffaliori: The N8x0 can also do USB host. But the N900 can't due to the complications introduced by USB charging17:20
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liorii'd like to export a custom image over usb17:20
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Jaffaliori: "image"?17:22
liorifilesystem image17:22
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SpeedEvilJaffa: gadget17:23
Jaffaliori: and "custom" to whom?17:23
SpeedEvilgadget = USB device17:23
SpeedEvilLike acting like a mass-storage device17:23
* SpeedEvil needs to read backscroll17:23
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liorii'd like to make a set of images to boot hosts over usb17:23
liorito install debian, fedora, whatever17:24
liorii almost managed to do that with freerunner... the only thing was that I've lost my usb cable and keep forgetting to buy a new one :-)17:25
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lioriso, will this be possible? :-)17:27
lardmanreading the Maemo 5 dev guide and specifically the bit about porting from maemo 4->5, it says maemo 5 has no focus. Does this apply to things like listviews too?17:28
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Stskeepsliori: acting as mass-storage device? sure17:28
javispedrolardman: treeviews have "certain" focus if in edit mode17:29
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lardmanah, I guess I'm thinking of "selected"17:29
javispedrowhich is something new and entirely specific to hildon afaik.17:29
javispedroyeah, row selection17:30
Stskeepshmm, anyone around with knowledge of the hildon desktop composite/non-composite mode?17:30
lardmannot that my row selection code works very well anyway :)17:31
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lardmanhmm, but in the docs, where do I post that?17:32
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lardmanhmm, have to join17:33
Myrttilardman: bug in the documentation?17:35
Myrttiwhere, in maemo4->5?17:35
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lardmanlink to "Hildon 2.2 UI Style Guide." is broken17:35
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Myrttioh, right17:36
tigertlardman: the difference being there is no rocker key17:36
MyrttiI thought there was a bug or a mistake in the content17:36
Myrttinevermind then17:36
lardmanMyrtti: well no content is surely close to a mistake ;)17:36
tigertand no "select item with key -> press action button"17:36
tigertlike on N81017:37
lardmantigert: rocker key?17:37
lardmantigert: draggy thing along the edge?17:37
tigertthe cursor arrow-key17:37
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tigertso maemo5 ui is more like list view - select item - opens new "view" of _that_ item17:38
tigertwith actions there17:38
lardmanyeah I've seen that, was just wondering about listviews specifically17:38
lardmananyway np I'll test it this evening17:38
tigertso direct press ->action17:38
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tigertinstead of navigate to -> press action17:39
tigertif my explanation makes sense17:39
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lardmanyeah I get what you mean (as I just read the maemo4->5 porting guide too)17:39
tigertok good17:39
purevolgood morning...where is the best place to get supplies for my n81017:39
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lardmanpurevol: power socket?17:43
lardmanpurevol: what sort of supplies?17:43
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purevolany supplies really17:45
lardmanprobably available on the Nokia website?17:46
purevolneed a stylus cause i loaned this to my retarded brother and he lost the stylus17:46
purevolmemory card17:46
purevoli have Sd, and micro SD but no MINI17:46
lardmanget a mini converter17:47
lardmanbuy a random card which has one with it17:47
lardmandon't get Sandisk, they don't work, Kingston works well for me17:47
purevoli ride a ducati, sandisk sponsors ducati, i gott buy sandisk17:48
purevolplus all my sandisk data collection works on my ducati and other various electronics17:48
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lardmanwell if they sponsor you, ask them why their cards don't work17:49
lardmanotherwise just buy something else ;)17:49
lardmans/cards/card adaptors17:49
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purevolno me, the ducati motogp and world superbike racing teams17:51
purevolreally, their cards wont work in the n810?17:51
lardmanthe cards are fine17:51
lardmanit's the micro->mini adaptors that people have troubles with17:52
lardmanthere's a bug on the bugtracker about it17:52
lardmanstrange really as the adaptors are just contacts afaict17:52
lardmanbut there you go17:52
X-Fadeprobably too big a voltage drop.17:52
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purevolwell thanks for the heads up17:55
RST38hX-Fade: through a 4mm piece of metal? =)17:55
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RST38hOr is there an actual voltage converter in the adapter?17:55
SpeedEvilNot usually.17:56
SpeedEvilAll of them I have dissasembled (probably 4 or 5) - were just metal17:56
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purevolwhat is the max size of the minisd will the n810 support?18:03
TadthebuilderI think the max size they make18:03
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purevoli assumed there were limitations18:04
TadthebuilderI know that the n800 can handle18:05
Tadthebuilderany capacity sd card18:05
SpeedEvilSDHC - up to 64G (IIRC)18:06
purevolright on18:06
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SpeedEvilSDXC - the signalling isn't clear18:06
purevoli thought it was more of an kernel os thing opposed to a hardware thing18:06
SpeedEvilso it may not have a backwards compatible mode18:06
SpeedEvilSD->SDHC is pretty much a kernel thing18:06
lardmanSDXC is different iirc18:06
Tadthebuilderwhat about n81018:06
SpeedEvilSDXC may not be - I haven't seen any definitive statement if it'll be backwards compat18:06
lardmanneeds dedicated hw or somesuch18:06
Tadthebuilderwhich was the original question...18:06
lardmanSDXC is backwards compat18:07
Tadthebuildersdxc does not exist yet does it?18:07
Tadthebuilder(ive never seen one...)18:07
lardmanhmm, I thought that was what's in the N900?18:07
Tadthebuilderi though it18:07
Tadthebuilderwas a mini or a micro sd card18:07
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lardmanah no, that's eMMC18:07
Tadthebuilder(I get them confused...)18:07
purevolthe largest mini sd i can seem to find is 8g anyhow18:07
purevoli have a n810, it requires a miniSD, correct?18:07
lardmanpurevol: ignore the minis themselves, get micro + adaptor, cheaper that way18:08
SpeedEvillardman: do you have any link to sdxc being backwards compatible - I haven't seen any info18:08
Tadthebuilderhow do you kill a program that wont seem to shut down?18:08
lardmansorry was thinking of eMMC, scratch my earlier comment18:08
Tadthebuilderon the n80018:08
purevolhrm so there are micros with mini adapator18:09
purevolbut i shouldnt get a sandisk, because they dont work in the nokia?18:10
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lardmancard is fine, adaptor not18:11
purevoljust so we are clear - this is bad -
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lardmanprobably yes18:12
lardmansome people were saying they had sucess with no-name micro->mini adaptors from ebay though18:13
lardmanso buy it for the card and get a no-name adaptor if that doesn't work18:13
lardmanbut I'd get a larger card myself18:13
Tadthebuilderany one know the pid for liqbase playground?18:13
Tadthebuilderim trying to kill it from command line18:14
Tadthebuilderbecause it wont close18:14
Tadthebuilderand its jammed18:14
Tadthebuilderand I dont want to boot my tablet18:14
lardmanthen "kill -9 pid_here"18:14
Tadthebuilderthe issue18:14
lardmanpid changes on every run18:14
TadthebuilderI thought that was the program name18:14
lardmanprocess id18:14
Jaffakillall liqbase18:14
lardmanor that18:15
JaffaTadthebuilder: you can find it using 'ps axfww'18:15
Tadthebuilderkillall liqbase does not work18:15
Tadthebuilderbecause its the updated testing version18:15
Tadthebuilderim seeing if I can find it using ps axfww18:15
lardmanps -a should work too, less typingh18:16
JaffaTadthebuilder: Find the process name and use that in killall, then18:16
Tadthebuilderah okay18:16
Tadthebuilderthats jaffa18:16
Jaffalardman: but use of a symbol shift ;-)18:16
lardmanps a then ;)18:16
qwerty12lardman, Jaffa: Busybox doesn't listen to arguments ;)18:18
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qwerty12*Busybox's ps18:18
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lardmanwell I'm always root so ps works on its own18:18
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lardmanI thought killall would match wildcards too?18:19
lardman~lart lardman for not saving intermediate images used to create his presentation18:19
* infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets lardman feel it for not saving intermediate images used to create his presentation18:19
Tadthebuilderniether is actually shut it down haha18:20
Tadthebuilderdo I need to use quotes around a hyphenated program name?18:20
JaffaTadthebuilder: killall -9 liqbase...18:20
JaffaTadthebuilder: If it's hung you may need to be more violent18:20
lardmanbattery out18:21
lardmanor do you mean to lcuk18:21
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Tadthebuilderthanks Jaffa that worked18:22
Tadthebuilderexcept it was liqbase-playground18:22
TadthebuilderI absolutely love liqbase though18:22
VDVsxRST38h, you don't want to choose a summit roommate ? we'll start moving people soon18:23
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lardmanVDVsx: perhaps he was hoping to get lucky in the red light district?18:24
VDVsxlardman, lol, that's easy, he just need some money ;)18:25
qwerty12VDVsx: lardman is planning to take a lot just for this purpose alone18:25
purevolall women are hookers, the payment method and value is all that varies18:25
Tadthebuilderthat slightly insulting18:26
Tadthebuilderwhat if a woman is in this room...18:26
Tadthebuilder(not that that is likely....)18:26
purevolmore mysoginistic than anything else18:26
lardmanqwerty12: am also taking my wife, so I imagine the money will be consumed in hangbags, shoes & red wine18:26
JaffaTadthebuilder: There are a few18:26
VDVsxlardman, lol18:26
TadthebuilderI dont think your wife would appreciate you going to the red light district haha18:27
qwerty12lardman: hangbags? Man, you really are desperate to get some Red Light District action :(18:27
JaffaTadthebuilder: And a woman wouldn't need to be present for it to be considered offensive.18:27
lardmanshe wants to visit and see it actually18:27
Tadthebuildergood point18:27
Tadthebuilderits offensive regardless...18:27
* Jaffa might not like Mrs Jaffa being called a whore, for example.18:27
TadthebuilderI would not like my fiance18:27
Tadthebuilderbeing called a whore either18:27
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TadthebuilderI wish adding money to paypal was immediate18:28
lardmanI imagine Mrs Jaffa would have something to say about it too18:28
lardmananyway, it is a tourist attraction, and I mean for people to go and gawp rather than using the facilities18:29
Tadthebuilderah makes sense18:29
Tadthebuilderwhat about the famous amsterdam coffee shops18:29
TadthebuilderI heard they have killer espresso18:29
lardmanI don't smoke, nor does my wife18:30
Tadthebuilderwell thats good18:30
Tadthebuilderme niether.18:30
lardmanyeah, but you choke while drinking it18:30
TadthebuilderI have a feeling the places smell pretty bad18:30
TadthebuilderI cannot stand the smell of weed18:30
Tadthebuilderto me it smells like a skunk set on fire.18:30
lardmanwe don't have skunks over here18:31
Tadthebuilderthat makes my description meaningless18:31
lardmanI understand, don;'t worry18:31
Tadthebuilderyou flip my example18:31
qwerty12Dunno, lardman, that day at the BFI, your presence made me think differently...18:31
lardmanqwerty12: you decided to take up drinking rather than smoking?18:32
lardmanqwerty12: I had been at a lecture all day, was in serious need of alcohol18:32
TadthebuilderI think most alcohol smells bad too...18:33
lardmanyeah, just hold your nose for the first few mouthfuls ;)18:33
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TadthebuilderI do want to share a bottle of win18:33
purevollardman: you and your wife should EAT some baked goods..smoking sucks18:33
Tadthebuilderwith my wife on our honeymoon...18:33
Tadthebuilderany suggestions?18:33
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lardmanpurevol: nah, I don't do drugs other than alcohol and caffeine18:34
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qwerty12lardman is a good diabetic18:34
lardmanTadthebuilder: God knows, do neither of you drink?18:34
Tadthebuildercurrently no18:34
lardmanqwerty12: oh yeah, I shoot up of course18:34
Tadthebuilderand even when we start18:35
Tadthebuilderonly in moderation18:35
Tadthebuildernot for the purpose of getting drunk18:35
lardmanTadthebuilder: I'm not an expert18:35
Tadthebuilderah okay18:35
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lardmanskip expensive Australian though as it's probably pretty robust, high alcohol & tannin, which might not taste too great if you're not used to it18:36
lardmanin fact all the wine I drank over there was pretty robust18:36
lardmanand I only tend to drink Australian, so not much help I'm afraid18:36
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lardmanTadthebuilder: champage of course!18:37
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lardmanI like Lanson myself, but my wife likes Heidsieck, so who knows :)18:39
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Tadthebuilderoh okay18:39
TadthebuilderI need something18:39
lardmanwe did a lot of tasting while arranging our wedding reception, it's not that I drink champagne every evening18:40
Tadthebuilderthat I can find in the US18:40
lardmanyou should be able to find champagne over there, the Californian reds are also decent enough if you pay enough18:40
Tadthebuildernot that is made in us18:40
Tadthebuilderbut can be found in stores18:40
TadthebuilderI know I can find champagne18:41
Tadthebuilderah okay18:41
Tadthebuilderdo they have wine review sites18:41
Tadthebuilderlike the do for computer stuff18:41
Tadthebuilderand electronics18:41
Tadthebuildermaybe an open source wine18:41
TadthebuilderWine is not an emulator. Of course not its a drink18:41
lardmanyeah they do, but you have to take things like that with a pinch of salt as they are subjective opinions18:41
lardmansee if a local bottle shop is doing a wine tasting and go along18:42
Tadthebuilderthat might be a good idea18:42
lardmanor you can (here at least) do wine tasting nights for not too much money18:42
lardmanquite fun18:42
Tadthebuilderill be in charleston south carolina. Its a pretty big city so I can probably find something18:42
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lardmanhmm, Friday evening, ghost town here18:43
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Tadthebuilder16 days....18:44
lardmanoh, the stress is just starting for your fiancee then18:44
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Tadthebuilderits pretty bad18:44
lardmanworrying about hair and this and that, etc18:44
TadthebuilderIm also five hours away from her18:44
TadthebuilderI got a job five hours away, she is planning the wedding and she will be moving down after the wedding18:45
Tadthebuilderso I cannot be much help18:46
lardmangood luck!18:46
Tadthebuilderso I have a problem with the structure of talk.maemo.org18:46
TadthebuilderI do not think their should be18:46
Tadthebuildera category called talk18:47
Tadthebuilderits confusing18:47
Rick__hey, sorry a noob question: i want to open up this in xchat. anyone know the server name i should be using?18:47
Tadthebuilderi was close18:47 thts it?18:47
lardmanyou might want the irc. on the front too18:47
Rick__thanks appreciate it18:48
Tadthebuilderlike it just looks funny to say
lardmansay TMO18:49
Tadthebuildermaybe I dont like abreviations18:49
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coldbootThis just occurred to me.18:51
coldbootI looked at the map, and Guantanamo Bay is actually part of Cuba's mainland.18:51
coldbootHow does the US have a naval base that's on Cuba's land?18:51
Tadthebuilderum yeah18:51
coldbootI thought it was a nearby island or something.18:51
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lardmancoldboot: part of the post-missle-crisis deal wasn't it?18:51
Tadthebuilderlook at the size, population, and money of both nations18:51
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Tadthebuildercastro does not like it but he cannot really stop it...18:51
coldbootlardman: I read that the base has been there for a century.18:52
Tadthebuilderits horrible what is happening there18:52
Tadthebuilderyeah its been there since before castro took over18:52
Tadthebuilderand we never gave it up18:52
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lardmanah ok18:52
Tadthebuilderits also horrible what castro has done to his people...18:52
Tadthebuilder I was recently looking at the article on wikipedia18:53
Tadthebuilderabout Hitler18:53
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Tadthebuilderand in the discussion page they were discussing whether it was pov to talk about Hitlers actions as atrocities18:53
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lardmanlol, is that Godwin's law that has just been proved once again?18:54
user__does anyone know if there is a bit torrent dl program for maemo?18:54
StskeepsTransmission exists18:54
Tadthebuildercheck the download18:54
Tadthebuilderpage at maemo.org18:55
Tadthebuilderand search for bittorrent18:55
Tadthebuilderit should pop up18:55
user__thanks ill look it up.  easy to use?18:55
Tadthebuilderits not difficult18:55
Tadthebuilderjust download the .torrent18:55
Tadthebuilderand open it18:55
user__ah from trackers18:55
Tadthebuilderuh yeah, is there any other way to use bittorrent?18:55
user__well on my pc it auto starts a program based on file associaion. i guess i cant do that on my n81018:56
Tadthebuilderyou should be able to do that too I think18:57
Tadthebuilderbut its essentially the same thing18:57
AndrewFBlackany used new  Theme Maker for fremantle yet stopping at 1%18:57
Tadthebuilderstill need access to the tracker18:57
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Tadthebuilderto download the file18:57
TadthebuilderIm not sure if automatically catches the association or not18:57
Tadthebuilderbut its not difficult to just open the torrent with it18:57
user__yeah. but one more step. nvm,  sounds great. thanks bro18:57
Tadthebuilderhey for the first time i helped someone else for a change18:58
TadthebuilderI feel good about myself18:58
TadthebuilderI just hope he is downloading legal files18:58
user__just got the n810 and trying to see what it can do as it will be my only computer for two weeks18:59
Tadthebuilderoh wow18:59
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TadthebuilderI dont think  I could handle an n8x0 as my only comp19:00
user__laptop is being repaired19:00
TadthebuilderI need my crappy outdated desktop19:00
* SpeedEvil ponders only having two working computers, and shudders.19:00
user__new fan in lenovo = 125 fukk :(19:00
Tadthebuilderif the n800 counts i have 319:00
user__anyway off to download old dr who episodes :)19:01
Tadthebuilderbut between my two non tablet computers I have a shared 1 gig of ram and 4.1 gig processor19:01
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Tadthebuilder(meaning 512 megs of ram per machine and a 3 gig process on one, and like a 1.5 gig processor in the other...)19:02
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lardmanno idea how much RAM I have19:03
lardmanWindows certainly can't use it all anyway19:04
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TadthebuilderI tend to browse the internet with an average of 15 tabs yeah i have problems19:05
lardmanI have problems with whatevery I have too19:05
SpeedEvil40 tabs with 128M works just fine on FF1.419:06
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lardmanespecially when coding under Ubuntu with millions of ff windows open19:06
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lardmanFF is a memory hog though19:07
lardmanor seems that way19:07
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Tadthebuilderdid they ever fix the memory leak in ff?19:10
lardmanright, am off, bbl19:10
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mfinkleis there a convention for getting the version of maemo an app is running on?19:12
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mfinklelike in Firefox, should we add "Maemo 5" to the UA string19:12
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Tadthebuilderyou know what be an awesome app? Is something like Rapier, or FBreader or both where one could draw directly on the screen19:29
Tadthebuilderand save it...19:29
woglindeits already there19:29
woglindeask lcuk19:29
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RST38hmoo all19:34
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woglindejo lardman19:36
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lardmanhey woglinde19:36
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Tadthebuilderis not quite there let19:39
Tadthebuilderhe is working on it though19:39
Tadthebuilderand I love it!!!!19:39
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Macerdamn :)19:44
Macerguess we didn't get the olympics19:45
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woglindemacer hm which city?19:46
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woglindeno chance19:46
lardmanapparently they don't want it anyway19:46
woglindemadrid will make the race because of samaranch19:46
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Tadthebuildereven after obama begged?19:48
mfinkle"uname -r" returns "2.6.28-maemo2"19:49
mfinkleon n900, I guess we could use that19:49
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GeneralAntillesandre__, newest on top. O_o19:51
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woglindeTadthebuilder even then19:51
Tadthebuilderchicago a bit of a dirty city anyway...19:53
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_berto_rio won19:57
lardmanTadthebuilder: I like Chicago19:58
Tadthebuilderso do I19:58
lardmanwas quite nice when I was there a year ago or thereabouts19:58
TadthebuilderIts just a littledirty19:58
Tadthebuilderall Large Cities have their dirty part19:58
lardmanwell London is really dirty in comparison, and it's there sometime soon19:58
TadthebuilderDid you hear any Blue's while you were there?19:58
lardmanyeah, went to a club19:59
lardmansupposed to be famous19:59
TadthebuilderWas it Buddy Guys Legends blues club?19:59
wazdLooks like my display joined my phone in heavens19:59
lardmanTadthebuilder: just trying to find some photos to see if I recog it19:59
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lardmanGod knows, had two rooms and the crowd had to run between the two for the next set20:01
Tadthebuilderthat is a bit odd20:02
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Tadthebuilderdid it look like that haha20:03
lardmanwas quite cool, probably have the stub somewhere, will have to look for it20:03
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TadthebuilderI heard buddy guy himself play once20:03
lardmanno idea, was dark20:03
Tadthebuilderhe is like 70 years old20:03
Tadthebuilderand he played with his teeth20:03
Tadthebuilderhad more energy that to be expected from a man his age20:04
Tadthebuilderit was awesome20:04
TadthebuilderAlso indie alt-country rock band called Wilco is from Chicago awesome band20:04
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lardmandunno, will have to work out which it was when I have some time20:05
lardmansounds good though20:06
lardmanhmm, lack of GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW() causes X Window System error.20:07
lardmanI thought it was just a cast?20:07
woglindediner now20:07
woglindetill later20:07
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lardmanwoglinde: guten appetit20:09
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Tadthebuilderyou know what stinks20:09
Tadthebuilderlosing your real estates agents phone number...20:09
lardmanFremantle SDK doesn't recognise GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW()20:09
Tadthebuilderthats disappointing20:10
lardmanesp as it won't run on N8x0 without using it, yeah20:10
Tadthebuilderah yeah.20:10
Tadthebuilder(im only pretending to know what your talking about)20:11
lardmandon't worry, was for the wider audience20:11
lardmanthere are 353 of us in here20:11
Tadthebuilderwhy would you want to20:12
Tadthebuilderrun the software development on  your other tablet...20:12
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lardmanwhat do you mean?20:13
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Tadthebuilderyour saying you want to install the development kit for the n90020:14
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Tadthebuilderon your n800 or n81020:14
Tadthebuilderthis does not seem like a very efficient method of development20:14
Tadthebuilderwithout a fullsize keyboard and such20:14
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Tadthebuilderor am I mis understanding what you want to do20:14
GeneralAntillesCan we get the telepathy packages to call services by their proper names or would that be a copyright issue?20:14
lardmanTadthebuilder: am building in sb and testing on device over ssh/sftp20:15
Tadthebuilderah okay20:15
lardmanGeneralAntilles: are they available for MSN yet?20:15
GeneralAntilleslardman, is MSN in Haze?20:16
GeneralAntillesI think so.20:16
GeneralAntillesBut not sure.20:16
GeneralAntillesLet me check.20:16
lardmanhmm, which repo?20:16
GeneralAntillesExtras devel, I think.20:16
GeneralAntillesWhich was having some trouble yesterday.20:16
lardmanneed to update still though20:16
lardmandrat, segfault again20:17
lardman~lart webscraping code20:17
* infobot --purges webscraping code20:17
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Tadthebuilderokay...if you have a paypal account but no money in paypal is it possible to donate money to someone through paypal just using a credit card?20:18
Tadthebuilder(this pertains to a community memeber)20:19
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penguinbaityes it should be tad20:19
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penguinbaitif you account has a card on it, it will come from there if the funds are not available in the paypal account20:20
GeneralAntillesHow the hell do I use the package interface?20:20
Tadthebuilderoh...okay...darn it20:20
GeneralAntillesAh, I see.20:20
penguinbaityou need to add the card to the paypal account20:20
Tadthebuilderbecause I am trying to transfer money from a bank acount which takes 3-6 days20:20
Tadthebuilderthat other way sounds better20:21
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penguinbaitif you have a debt/credit card just add it to the paypal account20:21
Tadthebuilderi already have one20:22
Tadthebuilderjust did not know it would automatically do that20:22
Tadthebuilderso I donated him 3 pounds20:22
Tadthebuildercause that is all i had in my paypal account20:22
Tadthebuilderand was going to give him more once it transfered in20:22
Tadthebuilderthis will work better20:22
lardmanah I give up on web scraping20:23
lardmanfor the time being20:23
GeneralAntillesHrm, so, say I find a bug in a package up for promotion.20:24
GeneralAntillesWhat's the procedure?20:24
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, ping?20:24
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: pong20:24
lardmanGeneralAntilles: no idea, check the backlog20:24
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, found a bug in countdown-home.20:25
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: shoot20:25
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, it's weird about which item it decides to show you when you tap on them to edit.20:25
fiferboyDo you have it sorted by date?20:25
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fiferboyI'll check it out20:26
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, so, I added 3 items.20:26
GeneralAntillesMaemo Summit with a starting date of next week, Test with a default starting time, and Test2 with a default starting time.20:26
GeneralAntillesThat gives me a date-sorted list of: Test, Test2 and Maemo Summit.20:27
GeneralAntillesTapping Test to edit it bring up the Maemo Summit item.20:27
GeneralAntillesTapping Test2 brings up Test.20:27
lardmananyone know where uGDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW is defined?20:27
GeneralAntillesand tapping Maemo Summit brings up Test2.20:27
GeneralAntillesSo I guess the edit sorting is by added instead of date.20:27
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Gotcha.  I must not be mapping the reordered events properly when clicking20:27
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qwerty12lardman: gdk/gdkx.h20:28
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, otherwise I'm ready to promote.20:28
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, you want me to file a bug?20:28
lardmanqwerty12: you;'re a star20:28
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: I can fix that pretty quick, I thikn20:28
fiferboyBut getting enough karma to promote again will take a while20:28
lardmanhmm, linker error though20:28
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Yep, I can reproduce20:29
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, can we sort the packages by section?20:29
lardmanballs, have to go20:29
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Tadthebuilderwho ported INES?20:32
qwerty12The same person who wrote it ;)20:33
GeneralAntillesRST38h, the creator. ;)20:33
Tadthebuilderis he ever in here>20:33
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, <_< I was tapping all over the place trying to get the eyes to move.20:33
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Tadthebuilderit really bothers me that the hardware back button exits the program...20:33
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, he's here most of the time, actually.20:33
TadthebuilderI hit on accident all the time20:33
Tadthebuilderand was wondering if their is a way to turn that off20:34
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: The Eyes Widget? If so, you wanna talk to mikkov_ :p20:34
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GeneralAntillesqwerty12, you're more convenient, though. :P20:34
qwerty12I also have zilch to do with it :p20:35
GeneralAntillesYeah, I know.20:35
GeneralAntillesBut you can laugh at me being stupid.20:35
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qwerty12Nah, I could never do that (in your face, anyway...)20:35
* GeneralAntilles wants the hearts back on :(20:36
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RST38hSame here20:37
Stskeepsrobotfindskitten is disturbing in that regard20:37
qwerty12Stskeeps: What? Robot beastilty is common20:38
TadthebuilderRST38H: is there a way to turn of the exiting program when hitting back button in ines?20:38
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fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Problem solved ;)20:43
fiferboyThanks for pointing that one out20:43
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, so, re-up to Extras-devel, you promote to Testing then people vote?20:44
fiferboyYup :(20:44
fiferboyI was hoping to be in extras before the summit20:44
javispedrowhy is TMO always down when I want to flame?20:45
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, harass people to vote. ;)20:45
fiferboyI've been trying, but I am not a good harasser :|20:45
Tadthebuilderive never seen tmo go down...20:45
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javispedromaybe its a trojan on my computer than senses my trolling desires20:45
RST38hTadthebuilder: Sorry?20:45
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, it's down all of the time.20:45
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GeneralAntillesfiferboy, the one thing that bothers me is having widgets automatically add themselves to the desktop.20:46
TadthebuilderRST28h: In Ines I have a tendency to hit the back button (hardware) on accident. Is there a way to make it so that button will not exit the program?20:46
GeneralAntillesBut I guess most people can't figure out how to add them otherwise.20:46
Tadthebuilder(Its not down right now...)20:46
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fiferboyGeneralAntilles: That is the default behaviour when you install a new applet20:47
wiretappedI just chatted with a nokia rep on who tells me that the N900 will definitely NOT be subsidized by any carriers20:47
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wiretapped"It will only be sold as an unlocked phone"20:47
fiferboyProbably to solve problems like "I installed applet X, but it never showed up!  It's borken!!"20:47
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* wiretapped didn't know that was confirmed20:47
GeneralAntilleswiretapped, which is clearly a lie.20:47
GeneralAntillesSince some European carriers are subsidizing it.20:47
wiretappedi've still got the window open20:47
GeneralAntillesNow, as for USA. . . .20:48
GeneralAntillesWho knows.20:48
wiretappedok, I specifically told him I'm in the USA20:48
purevolis diablo the latest and greatest version of maemo?20:48
wiretappedand he's on nokiausa.com20:48
GeneralAntillesBut sales reps get things wrong all of the time20:48
GeneralAntillesand certainly aren't authorized to talk about unannounced plans even if they did know about them20:48
RST38hTadthe: No.20:48
GeneralAntillesSo, I wouldn't take it as gospel.20:48
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: not quite20:49
TadthebuilderRST38h: kk thanks. Awesome emulator by the way. Ill just have to be careful, and save every few seconds.20:49
RST38hTadthe: Other than enabling Famicom keyboard I guess, but you will not be doing that20:49
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: that's a bit misleading20:49
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, which part, exactly?20:49
purevolis 5.2008.43-7 the best version of maemo?20:49
wiretappedyeah. I'm tempted to preorder one, but still holding out hope for some subsidy handcuffs20:49
TadthebuilderRST38h: or use the onscreen directional pad rather that the hardware one....either way. But thanks for answering my question, and for making the emu.20:49
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RST38hGeneral: We should really have user/emulation category =)20:50
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: some secondary market mobile phone shops are offering the phone along with their normal phone contracts, and applying some of their cut that they get from selling a contract to subsidising the phone.20:50
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: this is not the same as it being a 'supported' phone that you'd purchase from - for example.20:50
RST38hTad: N800?20:50
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GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, I'm not familiar with how the European cellular market works, apologies.20:51
TadthebuilderRST38h: yeah20:51
GeneralAntillesRST38h, yes, we can keep decreasing the granularity, but it really doesn't help anybody in the end. ;)20:51
TadthebuilderRST38h: the back button is right below the directional pad. so when I hit down I hit the back button from time to time as well20:51
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, how long from upload to karma voting?20:52
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: The build process takes about 20 minutes, it is usually an hour or more until the package is imported into extras-devel, then another hour+ until it is promoted to extras-testing20:53
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Probably a minimum of three hours20:53
RST38hTadthe: Yea, I guessed20:54
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: it's somewhat byzantine. But basically - the carriers have almost no control over what shops with no affiliation with them sell connected to a given contract. Phones sold directly through the carrier will usually have customisation, or be slightly cheaper.20:55
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wiretapped"With the Maemo browser, you can view hypertext markup language (HTML) web pages on the internet."21:00
wiretapped"You can also view web pages that are designed specifically for mobile devices. These pages use extensible hypertext markup language (XHTML)."21:00
Tadthebuilderfrom the manual21:01
Tadthebuilderi thought that was a little odd21:01
Tadthebuilderit should just say21:01
Tadthebuilderyou can go to websites21:01
* AndrewFBlack slaps the extras-assistant around a bit21:01
Tadthebuilderactually the n900 manual21:03
Tadthebuilderis hilarious21:03
TadthebuilderAndrewfBlack: Your new theme looks awesome, ive never used any other themes that the default ones, but im gonna check that out21:04
AndrewFBlackTadthebuilder, thanks I'm working on getting it in extras-devel as well right now but extras-assistant doesn't like me21:04
Tadthebuilderwhich would explain why you slapped him21:05
Tadthebuilderhim/her/it since im not sure what your talking about21:05
AndrewFBlackpart of that lets people upload packages it keeps logign me out half way though the process21:05
coldbootOn an n810 device, what kind of storage is /var mounted on, and what kind of storage is /media/mmc2 mounted on? I've noticed that writing to /media/mmc2 is way slower than writing to /var...21:06
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Tadthebuilderah so its an it21:09
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AndrewFBlackyep its an i21:10
crashanddiecoldboot, /media/mmc2 is an integrated "sd card"21:11
crashanddiecoldboot, /var is on the root file system, IIRC21:11
AndrewFBlacktook 25 minutes and over 100 tried finally took it21:11
crashanddiecoldboot, root file system is quicker, integrated card is bigger21:11
Tadthebuildersweet so a in a few minutes I should be able to find it on extra-devel?21:14
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TadthebuilderThere exists no valid reason for software to be closed source. So, no.21:15
ShadowJKRoot filsystem keeps its entire directory tree in ram, that speeds up21:15
Tadthebuilder- Luke Jr21:15
ShadowJKAnd it's smarter with small writes, atleast as long as it isnt too full21:15
ShadowJKCompression helps too21:15
ShadowJKThe /media/mmc should be faster for big files really21:16
Tadthebuilderwhat about someone eating dinner?21:18
Tadthebuilderthats a valid reason21:19
Tadthebuilderfor closed source software21:19
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Moved to the autobuilder queue at 2:20 EST21:20
coldbootcrashanddie: Do you know what kind of hardware the integrated card is?21:20
AndrewFBlackTadthebuilder, takes about an hour21:20
Tadthebuilderah okay thanks21:20
StskeepsTadthebuilder: yeah, food on the table is a good argument21:22
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TadthebuilderI just saw that argument happening on tmo21:22
Tadthebuilderand I dont understand why someone would think that everything has to be oss21:22
TadthebuilderI love oss, Im glad for the developers who do it of their own time, but that does not make other things evil, or wrong, or mean that everything has to be that way.21:23
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, wish it were faster. :\21:24
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, can we make that every half hour? :P21:24
coldbootIt seems writes to the integrated card are 2.8 times faster than writes to the sd card.21:24
GeneralAntillescoldboot, it's an eMMC of some sort.21:25
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fiferboyGeneralAntilles: I'm not sure exactly how often the batches run, but those numbers are my impressions from all the packages I have uploaded in the last week21:25
GeneralAntillesOnce an hour sounds right.21:25
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GeneralAntillesHrm, packages with >10 karma are just waiting on maintainer action, right?21:27
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: It has been three hours since the build succeeded on personal-gprs-mon, and it still hasn't imported to extras-devel :$21:27
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qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: Yes, a lovely "Promote package to Extras" button should appear when karma >= 1021:28
gcobbGeneralAntilles: packages have to have >10 karma and at least 10 days in extras-testing21:28
GeneralAntillesAh, welcome gcobb. Nice to see you around these parts. ;)21:29
purevolthe sd car process would be managed by the omap processor, so that speed at which data is written is tied back to the kernel architecture21:29
GeneralAntillesand belated congratulations. :)21:29
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gcobbGeneralAntilles: thanks.  I have been lurking a bit but hard to find time to contribute21:30
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fiferboygcobb: I think the quarentine period is not yet in place.  Is it being enforced?21:31
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gcobbfiferboy: I'm not certain but I thought it was enabled in the last couple of days21:31
fiferboyAh.  I think it was three or four days ago that I asked X-Fade about it.  It could be on now.21:32
fiferboyIn which case I am sunk getting anything into extras before summit :(21:32
* GeneralAntilles sees fiferboy's thread. ;)
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: :)21:33
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purevoli have a pretty serous question21:34
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purevolOMAP arch was dropped from the linux kernel correct?21:35
Stskeepsno, merged afaik21:36
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ShadowJKand if it wasn't merged, well, then nothing changed?21:38
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fiferboyI wonder if the extras-devel imported is running.  It took just under an hour last time, and it has been over 3 hours this time...21:42
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pupnik_i am missing updates from -devel21:43
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GeneralAntillesThere are so many libs in user/*21:47
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AndrewFBlackdon't you hate it when you upload something to extras-devel then then you find a bug like 5 minutes later21:47
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Stskeepsthats why we have home: repos in mer :P21:49
RST38hupload a new version21:49
qwerty12_N810Evening, St. lbt21:49
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Tadthebuilderafter seeing a screen shot of fennec on the n900 it makes me want a fennec fox21:49
RST38hwhat would you do with it?21:49
Tadthebuilderkeep it as a pet21:50
Tadthebuildera quick google indicates that they are litter trainable21:50
qwerty12_N810Cross-breed it with the Thunderbird bird?21:50
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, they're also about as smelly as they come21:50
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, and wild animals. ;)21:51
Tadthebuilderbut they are so cute21:51
Tadthebuilder(image search :))21:51
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: that's easy to fix though.21:51
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: noseplugs21:51
Tadthebuilderor you could bathe it regularly21:51
RST38hnot really21:51
SpeedEvilYou can possibly burn out the scent glands.21:52
RST38hPoor fennec though...21:52
SpeedEvilThat's done with some animals.21:52
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TadthebuilderYou can remove scent glands from a skunk21:52
SpeedEvilOr surgically remove them21:52
Tadthebuilderthey are also litter trainable21:52
Tadthebuilderbut more difficult21:52
Tadthebuilderits less painful than declawing a cat from what I understand21:52
Tadthebuilder(why would anyone want a skunk for a pet though...)21:52
AndrewFBlackscratch that no bugs in new theme just some problems since I didn't reboot after install21:53
* rmt hrmphs .. why did I think that the Maemo Summit didn't have limited registrations?21:53
Stskeepsbought tickets already?21:53
Stskeepsgood :P21:54
rmtI'm just in Berlin, and would've stayed with friends in Den Haag.21:55
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rmtBut hey - maybe I'll be eligible for discounts on Nokia products soon.. went for a job interview with them in Berlin yesterday.21:56
Stskeepswoo, congrats :)21:56
SpeedEvilDo staff get discounts?21:57
SpeedEvilAnd good luck21:57
rmtIt went quite well, I think. Solutions Architect / Technology Evangelist.21:57
rmtaka helping internal customers to do things the smart way, even if they resist. ;)21:58
RST38hare enemas involved?21:58
SpeedEvilrmt: Do you have ninjas under your control?21:59
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Package has imported to extras-devel and I have promoted21:59
rmtIt was interesting .. got grilled with Linux, networking, & storage Qs for an hour straight.21:59
Stskeepsand coding tests on top? :P22:00
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rmtJust a few scripting Qs .. regex's, perl/python stuff..22:00
rmtAnd shell scripting of course. :-)22:01
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rmtMy last contract with Shell - I had a 20 minute non-technical phone conversation and they said, "Can you be here on Monday?" .. the manager tried that twice, but the second guy (while smart) wasn't really a good fit for an office environment.22:02
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rmt3 months of us holding our noses as we walked down the hallway.  It was a medical condition, but still - the value of in-person interviews. :-P22:03
* RST38h moos at Myrtti22:04
Myrttiatleast I smell of roses and kittens and candy floss22:04
* Myrtti baa-aas at RST38h 22:04
Stskeepsthere is a tendancy of dead cheese smell and some types of oss developers that go together..22:05
rmtI'm quite often surprised when I find out a hard-core geek I know is married.22:06
Stskeepsi am surprised i am married. :P22:06
* rmt grins.22:06
woglindeI am22:07
woglindebut maybee I am not hardcore22:07
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* SpeedEvil has yet to lure someone into his bat-cave.22:07
Myrttiwhat's a hardcore geek anyway22:07
SpeedEvilI'm not sure.22:08
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Tadthebuilderwith the commonplace of computers today22:08
SpeedEvilBut I'm fairly sure that if I've seriously thought of replacing my microwave oven controller with a linux system, I count.22:08
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Tadthebuilderthere are a good number of women geeks too22:08
MyrttiTadthebuilder: ORLY?!22:08
Myrttiwell shiver me timbers!22:08
Tadthebuilderyou can find them22:09
Myrttiwho would've known!22:09
* Myrtti goes and finds22:09
Tadthebuildernow im not a geek22:09
derfI don't think Myrtti went very far.22:09
Tadthebuilderso I dont have that problem22:09
Myrttiderf: how did you know?!?!22:09
Tadthebuilderyour name22:09
derfI'm psychic.22:09
rmtMyrtti: I guess I mean the stereotypical glasses-wearing socially-inept type, who just rewrote the company's $5m software solution over the weekend in perl because the vendor took too long fixing a bug. :)22:10
Myrttisounds like me alright22:10
Myrttithough it took me a bit more than a weekend, and I've used bash, sed and awk.22:11
* rmt chuckles.22:11
Myrttiand it's not a bug, it's a shortcoming.22:11
Tadthebuilderso are some of you admitting to being like Roy and Moss from IT Crowd22:11
Myrttialso with a touch of grep here and there22:11
gcobbI didn't think there was anyone else left who would rather use awk than perl!22:11
* SpeedEvil loves awk.22:12
derfAre you crazy?22:12
derfawk is gr8.22:12
SpeedEvilI have done realtime DSP in awk.22:12
Myrttigcobb: I hate awk, but while I use it, I can lull myself into feeling of not being able to code anything22:12
Stskeepsyay awk22:12
Myrttiand as a matter of fact, I can't.22:12
SpeedEvilsox |hexdump|awk -> realtime mileper-gallon display of my car reading from a GPS and a soundcard hooked to an injector22:13
* lcuk replaces Myrtti with a very long complicated shell script22:13
Myrttilcuk: several shell scripts, dear.22:13
MyrttiI'm very complicated person22:13
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* lcuk nods22:13
lcuki also see you lost some of your powers - tracy goes to the hairdressers and has 1/2mm cut off22:14
lcukyou look like you had loads22:14
Myrttiyeah, they took about 15cm off I think22:15
Myrttitwo years worth22:15
Myrttifeels really weird22:15
lcuko_O i bet it does22:15
lcukhow will duncan climb up to your room?22:15
lcukhey Tadthebuilder \o its a  bit early for you!22:16
Tadthebuilderits my day off22:16
Tadthebuilderone of them22:17
Tadthebuilderso im on here while browsing the internet22:17
Tadthebuilderhoping to find tidbits of information concerning upcoming apps, and thus be prepared for in 4 year when I get an n90022:17
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lcukpersonal hope is that people continue working towards n8x0 too - these new apps seem simpler and more streamlined and would respond better to the optimizations needed22:18
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Tadthebuilderthat would be nice too haha22:18
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Myrttithat was scary22:19
qwerty12_N810They knew you were about to talk, lcuk22:19
MyrttiI just typed in the root password of my debian vm and netsplit22:19
TadthebuilderI lioe my n800 (I call it shuttlepod, desktop is Enterprise, and Laptop is defiant) and I hope i can keep using it with new helpful programs for a couple more years22:19
lcukyeah qwerty12_N81022:19
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lcukahhh but which enterprise is it22:20
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Tadthebuilderbut with its specs I should probably make it the first one from the show enterprise22:21
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lcuklol Tadthebuilder the NX-01 is an excellent prototype22:22
Tadthebuilderyes that one22:22
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TadthebuilderSee im a borderline geek/nerd.22:22
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TadthebuilderFor instance I have an n800 but I dont know how to code22:23
TadthebuilderI like startrek but I dont know the numbers of the ships22:23
Tadthebuilderor maybe that just makes me a dumb nerd22:23
* lcuk had to look too22:23
SpeedEvilWouldn't the first enterprise be the first in the list of ships shown at the start of 'enterprise' ?22:24
SpeedEvilthe naval vessels22:24
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Tadthebuilderthat would be like an Apple II or something22:25
SpeedEvilThat's probably overanalying it a _lot_ too much though.22:25
lcukmade from the same material22:25
TadthebuilderI was about to say that22:25
lcukhandheld portable computing22:25
Tadthebuilderslide rule22:25
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lcukthat needs kinetic swipes22:26
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Tadthebuildersorry I needed to get that out22:28
Tadthebuilderthe Apraiser needs to hurry up and just say its residential22:28
sp3000hmm, is it just me or is fremantle extras-devel all "No Hash entry in Release file"22:30
qwerty12_N810sp3000: Not just you :\22:30
GeneralAntillesUgh, these typos are killing me.22:30
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: The package is in extras-testing, but it might not show up on the device just yet22:30
GeneralAntillesMy muscle memory is taking over my higher brain functions. :(22:30
sp3000you mean the tyops are liking you? :)22:31
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GeneralAntillessp3000, random word substitution in my posts on Talk.22:31
Shapeshiftermh. kinda wrong that hildon is gtk, now that nokia owns Qt >.>22:31
* SpeedEvil has an unfortunate keyboard problem that sometimes seems to miss triplets of letters.22:32
SpeedEvilespecially in current. I get 'cent' or something more unfortunate.22:32
MyrttiShapeshifter: big ships turn slow22:33
lcukfiferboy, countdown-home is on my desktop good sir22:34
Tadthebuilderdream cast emu on pandora....from my understanding the dreamcast emus on pc dont work all that well22:34
lcukit has the summit marked, thank you for writing this simple effective widget22:34
SpeedEvilMyrtti: Unless they hit something.22:34
fiferboylcuk: Excellent.  Good to hear.22:34
Myrttiooh, I know what I'd use it for22:34
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Myrtti24h 30min or so...22:34
glass__Tadthebuilder: apparently the non-windowsce stuff is emued 'well enough'22:34
glass__Tadthebuilder: the windowsce dreamcast games suck ass anyhow22:35
Tadthebuilderive never tried a linux dreamcast emu22:35
lcukfiferboy, i just upped the karma on it22:35
Tadthebuilderim not quite sure what you mean by the ce after windows22:35
sp3000SpeedEvil: you're almost making me grep a wordlist for sentences you should avoid trying to write :P22:35
fiferboyThanks lcuk22:35
sp3000with your c*** keyboard22:36
lcuki would really like this testing api to come from the device itself22:36
kirmathis is offtopic, but is there anybody on the channel that reads chinese fluently? I'd have couple lines to interpret more fluently than google translate can do...22:36
SpeedEvilsp3000: I have no idea what triggers it - it's made worse by my habit of not looking at the keyb.22:36
lcuki dont know how to search this packages interface22:36
sp3000it's a tester quality gate! :D'22:37 just got package icons?22:37
X-Fadefiferboy: Sssh ;)22:37
fiferboyOops, secret is out.  Looks good!22:38
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade's here. Everybody jump him!22:38
* sp3000 obliges22:38
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sp3000waaa extras-devel is being mean22:38
woglindesp3000 why?22:38
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sp3000dunno, it's going "No Hash entry in Release file" at me22:39
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lcuk2fiferboy, yes, icons!22:40
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X-Fadesp3000: Hmm that is not good.22:40
Tadthebuilder(just like everyone to know that I killed garlan a little bit ago)22:40
pupnik_Muriel learned sleep!22:40
sp3000last time I saw that sort of thing with a repository, I think some tool change added a linefeed in the middle of the file or something ;)22:40
X-Fadesp3000: That should not happen.22:40
Tadthebuilder(and some grimps, the grimps were easy)22:40
X-Fadesp3000: I guess a race condition between two scripts.22:40
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X-Fadesp3000: let me reset it.22:40
pupnik_my dev computer died yesterday22:40
GeneralAntillesPackages is timing out a lot on me.22:41
GeneralAntillespupnik_, did you try hitting it with a stick?22:41
SpeedEvilIt's all of the millions of n900s getting preloaded by the operators.22:42
SpeedEvil(or not)22:42
pupnik_i tried a little drop to jar it22:42
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pupnik_cpu fan stuck after FIREFOX ran cpu @ 7p-100% for hours22:42
* GeneralAntilles once revived a K6 Compaq with a kick in the side.22:42
pupnik_know i  *know* why they call it "firefox"22:43
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: Whose side did you have to kick?22:43
GeneralAntillesfiferboy, the computers. ;)22:44
pupnik_who be versioning me?22:44
sp3000pupnik_: did you also get a "flash"22:44
sp3000or a "shockwave"?22:44
X-Fadesp3000: Better now?22:44
GeneralAntillesPackages is just timing out here. :(22:45
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Better now?22:46
sp3000X-Fade: yep, tx22:46
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sp3000now why aren't there any monospace fonts in extras above the devel level :)22:46
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X-FadeBecause nobody promoted them?22:48
GeneralAntillesNah, clearly X-Fade hates monospace fonts and it's a conspiracy to keep them out.22:48
X-FadeOr no app which depends on them has been promoted yet?22:48
Macerthe closer is a pretty good show22:49
Maceri died laughing when they had the chinese ME that would scream her name and everything she did into the mic22:49
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pupnik_sp it happened despite flashblock22:56
user__ any idea when mer will be ready?22:56
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Myrttiuser__: any idea when emacs will be ready?22:56
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woglindejo javis22:57
Myrttiuser__: also, why not ask in #maemo?22:58
MyrttiI failed :-(22:58
user__ok...pms bad today myrtti?22:58
lcuk2Myrtti, press ctrl alt left swiggle escape p to find out the progress22:58
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pupnik_what is different in latest release javis?   sw scaling?  changes in sound?22:59
pupnik_-devel didnt have latest22:59
javispedrono changes in sound22:59
javispedrosw scaling since 1.2.022:59
javispedro1.2.1 and 1.2.2 have mostly gui bugfixes22:59
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Myrttiuser__: what I was trying to say with my first question is that with open source projects, very few are *ever* ready23:00
javispedronot important at all, but i plan to make 1.2.0 next "stable" series.23:00
fralsgod i hate it when a spam mail gets thru my spamassassin23:00
Myrttiuser__: with my second question I was trying to point out that #mer might have a bit more detailed information on your question, whatever you meant by it23:00
pupnik_javis - will you add a turbo toggle to button config?-23:00
Myrttiand as for my pms, you can kindly fuck off.23:01
pupnik_oh ok23:01
javispedropupnik_: yeah, easy enough.23:01
user__i will myrtti, as soon as im done fucking your mom23:01
pupnik_turbo is useful for rpg level grinding23:01
user__ass hole23:01
pupnik_also slow-mo23:01
frals<3 internet tough guys23:01
pupnik_for some timing problem spots23:01
pupnik_platformers etc23:02
javispedroslowmo a bit harder, but not much. you can partially simulate it by just disabling frameskipping.23:02
GeneralAntillesuser__, attitude adjustment warning #1.23:02
GeneralAntillesuser__, you only get one today.23:02
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andre__oh, it's school holidays again?23:04
* frals is having a blast reading through the source code to Androids MMS app23:04
qwerty12_N810andre__: if only... :\23:05
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javispedrofrals: if you scratch the itch so hard, it'll bleed ;)23:05
javispedrojust jocking, go ahead :)23:05
Stskeepsfrals: pure insanity?23:05
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GAN8001I'm going to stab aolsystemmsg to death.23:11
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killfillhey guys, i have my n800 myling around.23:19
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killfilli wish to flash it with the new maemo im looking at (just read a review of n900)23:19
killfillwhere can i get the new os? (or how to upgrade to it)23:19
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`0660dream on23:19
GAN800You want Mer.23:20
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infoboti guess mer is, or on #mer23:20
`0660your hardware is too slow/not compatible with the new os23:20
fralshmm, android doesnt have the code for the mms pdu's up on their git23:21
killfill`0660: cannot one disable most stuffs?23:21
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`0660mer might become that version23:22
user__then again, mer isn't stable yet23:23
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killfillAh, mer23:24
GeneralAntillesuser__, the final Fremantle SDK isn't even out yet.23:24
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`0660and i wouldn't expect it to get stable anytime soon23:24
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GeneralAntilles`0660, you're a developer, then? ;)23:25
killfillso mer tries to unify latest maemo stuff with ubunbu base?.23:25
`0660yes, but not a mer developer :)23:25
lcuk2`0660, the more that get involved, the more rounded and stable it will will be.23:25
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user__too bad   would be good to get access to ubuntu apps through mer23:26
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killfillhm... the (default) interface looks different23:27
GeneralAntilleskillfill, it's currently based on Maemo 4. An update should be coming at some point.23:27
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user__any way to disable the notifications about users in a channel joining or leaving?23:29
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`0660which irc client do you use?23:30
user__xchat on n81023:30
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`0660sorry, don't know about xchat23:31
killfillGeneralAntilles: its like a fork right?. thinkgs looks different than maemo. the ides is to put new stuff i.e. maemo5 inside mer too?23:31
GeneralAntilleskillfill, it's a more saner platform that uses Maemo technologies.23:32
GeneralAntillesSo, it's Maemo based on Ubuntu.23:32
GeneralAntillesBut, yes, the new Fremantle stuff is waiting on the final SDK release for Maemo 5.23:32
GeneralAntillesWho's killing
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user__i wish thefe would be
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user__i wish there would be   and  etc23:36
Tadthebuilderwhy would there be a need for seperate whole forums23:38
Tadthebuilderwhen their are subsections dealing with those things23:38
GeneralAntillesTadthebuilder, I don't know.23:38
Tadthebuilder(okay not a whole subforum for mer, but..._)23:38
Tadthebuilder I stay in this room because it makes me feel average23:39
user__no..os as a layer above forums for apps, etc23:39
Tadthebuildercome again?23:39
TadthebuilderI looked at the dcast emu for linux23:42
Tadthebuilderand on a 3 gig processor computer it does not seem to run any game at full speed without graphical glitches...23:42
Tadthebuilderso why would anyone try to even run it on pandora?23:42
Tadthebuilder(and then try to port it to n900)23:43
lcuk2the only obvious reason: n900 outperforms a 3ghz super computer23:43
GAN800Tadthebuilder, the better question is always "Why not?" ;)23:43
Tadthebuilderan n900 has a 600 megahertz processor23:44
lcuk2Tadthebuilder, different archiectures make different kinds of apps "work"23:44
Tadthebuilderso the speed is less important than the architecture>?23:44
GAN800MHz don't translate accross architectures like that.23:44
Tadthebuilderah okay23:44
lcuk2remember - the pc had to get >500mhz at least to "feel" the same perforance level as a 7mhz amiga23:44
Tadthebuilderwhy is a two behind your name?23:45
Tadthebuilderah okay...maybe I should sell my desktop23:45
GAN800It could be as simple as the Pandora folka putting in a lot of heavy hand optimization.23:45
lcuk2n900s around the house :D23:45
Tadthebuilderand put that money in the stock market in the hopes that I can get enough in  6 months for a n90023:45
Tadthebuilderand use that...23:45
Tadthebuilderinstead of my desktop23:45
Tadthebuilder(though if someone paid me 100 dollars for my desktop theyd be getting ripped off)23:46
Tadthebuilderwell it seems the issue is though the emulator is not very finished23:46
Tadthebuilderand its the only one I can find for linux at all23:46
Tadthebuilderso im assuming its the one ported to the pandora23:46
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Tadthebuilderand if they did optimizations that effect how it emulate I hope that that gets incorporated at the root23:47
user__just used Transmission for the first time on my N810.  wow...worked great23:47
user__now i can watch Dexter tonite  lol23:47
Tadthebuildercompatibility tests23:48
Tadthebuilderon different machines23:48
Tadthebuilderif anyone is interested23:48
Tadthebuildercongrats on the use of transmission23:49
Tadthebuilderso is there a chance of arm catching up and replacing x86?23:50
fralshmm, seems like android does all the mms sending over http23:50
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Tadthebuilderwould that be implementable on the n900?23:51
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MyrttiI can come out of hiding now23:51
fralsi assume it would be, on the other hand ive mightve missed something in the android code :p23:51
GeneralAntillesMyrtti, aw, but I wanted to ban him. :(23:52
Tadthebuildermyrtti why were you hiding?23:52
Tadthebuilderah yes23:52
MyrttiGeneralAntilles: yeah, I know23:52
fralsbecause user__ was such a pleasant fellow >_<23:52
qwerty12_N810Myrtti: I'd have gotten pissed off, personally23:52
Tadthebuilderhe deserves a booting and a beating23:52
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Myrttijust some gentle education with a pink feather boa23:53
Tadthebuilderlooking at some stuff on the internet methinks it may have been a mistake for microsoft to not make windows 7 for arm23:54
Tadthebuilderit seems like for laptops, and netbooks arm could possibley be the future...less power usage and an increase in speed23:54
* lbt looks at atom and thinks Arm had better get a move on...23:55
Tadthebuilderarm use significantly less power23:55
GAN800lbt, pfft23:56
Tadthebuilderlbt pfft?23:56
* frals goes off to read more android mms code23:56
GAN800lbt, Cortex A9 will be big23:56
Tadthebuilderyeah thats what I was reading about23:56
GAN800lbt, Atom isn't even in the league for power consumption23:56
* lbt passes frals some thermal printer paper to go with it...23:56
fralsye color fax is deffo next on the list ;)23:57
Tadthebuilderso think23:57
Tadthebuildera netbook with the battery life of a itt23:57
Tadthebuilderor even a desktop the uses significantly less power23:57
Tadthebuilderso you pay less in your electricity bill23:57
GAN800frals is going to singlehandedly quiet all the Talk trolls who will never buy a devce anyway. :P23:58
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GAN800itt? Internet Tablet Talk? ;)23:58
jaskainternet troll talk23:58
rangeDealbreaker if MMS doesn't come from Nokia itself!23:58
Tadthebuilderi mean23:58
Tadthebuilderdeal breaker if I cannot find it used in decent condition in two years23:59
GAN800I'd like a netbook I can let idle without having its battery run out in 4 hours.23:59
fralsGAN800: yeah, just need to hardmod a capactive touchscreen after that and iphone emu and none could complain!23:59
Tadthebuilderan always on netbook23:59
Tadthebuilderit would have to run a non windows os23:59

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