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| javispedro | hallo! I think I fixed the theming problems in the drnoksnes startup screen in latest -devel, can anyone confirm for me? :) | 00:08 |
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| RST38h | javis: Extras? | 00:09 |
| javispedro | -devel. | 00:09 |
| RST38h | a'ok | 00:09 |
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| RST38h | javis: buttons look ok | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: play / restart look fine over here | 00:11 |
| javispedro | and the target framerate one? | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Not cut off (just about ;)) | 00:12 |
| javispedro | hehe, and I guess not weird either. | 00:12 |
| RST38h | kavis: also looks ok | 00:12 |
| javispedro | on the video it was shown a bit, hm, "shallow". | 00:12 |
| RST38h | The "game not started yet" bug is still there | 00:12 |
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| javispedro | ah. | 00:12 |
| RST38h | But it is not yours | 00:12 |
| javispedro | makes me think about reviving maemo-games-startup. | 00:12 |
| javispedro | RST38h, qwerty12_N810: thanks! | 00:13 |
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| RST38h | Off to sleep. VAX seems to be winning tonight. | 00:15 |
| javispedro | kick him to death! | 00:16 |
| javispedro | it's the only way to fix those computers. | 00:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: The VAX will kill you in your sleep :\ | 00:16 |
| javispedro | oh, wow. lightscribe actually works in GNU/Linux. | 00:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I don't think I've ever used LightScribe, but maybe that's because I subscribe to the theory that a few words on the particular DVD's case is enough :p | 00:18 |
| mavhc | you put dvds in cases? how quaint | 00:19 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810: what happens when one's too lazy to even search the cd marker pens? you end up being a fan of lightscribe ;) | 00:19 |
| mavhc | lightscribe is like dvd-dl, way more people have the drives than the discs | 00:19 |
| javispedro | well, not fair. you might as well end up not labeling discs. | 00:20 |
| mavhc | maybe if it did the scribing at the same time without the flip over and more waiting | 00:20 |
| javispedro | probably, cause it takes a whopping 25minutes for complex designs. but then, I'm not in a hurry. | 00:20 |
| mavhc | I don't label discs half the time, just move them from the blank spindle to the burnt spindle | 00:20 |
| javispedro | lol | 00:20 |
| mavhc | then label then when I'm looking for something | 00:21 |
| javispedro | also, properly lightscribed discs look cool to mortals | 00:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | also, properly lightscribed discs that are fully black look cool to emos | 00:22 |
| mavhc | need to build my nas to never have to use discs again | 00:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | lightscribed discs are a waste of money | 00:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 00:22 |
| mavhc | 12 drives of awesomeness | 00:22 |
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| javispedro | heh | 00:23 |
| javispedro | I still use optical media for archival purposes | 00:23 |
| javispedro | and hope to keep another decade doing that | 00:24 |
| javispedro | but who knows | 00:24 |
| mavhc | hdds are only twice the price | 00:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Porn I must watch in 10 years from now" | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah. | 00:24 |
| mavhc | hey look, this porn has humans in, how quaint | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 00:25 |
| javispedro | mavhc: actually, hdds are cheaper no matter how you look at them. | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I have repeatedly wondered how much actual unique content is on everyones PCs. | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect a gig or ten max. | 00:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | ten gigs of unique data on a someones pc? | 00:25 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: totally true | 00:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats alot | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | And not counting photo or video - probably under 10 meg for most | 00:25 |
| mavhc | true, I'm just building a 24TB torrent seeder | 00:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 00:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | I was thinking alot less | 00:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | even with photos | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - a modern camera can create a _lot_ of bytes of crap nobody will look at again | 00:26 |
| mavhc | 50GBs of photos, maybe 50GB of videos | 00:26 |
| javispedro | the keyword here is "most" | 00:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | true | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | And I've also wondered about the total bytes generated. E.G. counting 24 series 1 episode 1 as - say - 3 gigabytes - nomatter how many thousands of different codecs it's been run through. | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Or how many millions of disks it's stored on. | 00:27 |
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| mavhc | everyone md5hash your hdd sectors and send them to SpeedEvil | 00:29 |
| Corsac | md5 isn't secure anyway | 00:29 |
| mavhc | why do we need security? | 00:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | So isn't sending your HDD sectors to a random person :p | 00:30 |
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| coldboot | Always fear the man with too much time on his hands. | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | mavhc: that also doesn't quite cover it - it would count the thousands of different encodings and bit-errors as thousands of files, not one. | 00:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | coldboot: because he can throw clocks at you. | 00:30 |
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| coldboot | SpeedEvil: Keep your day job. | 00:31 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: does it count as unique if I replicate it? | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | Tadthebuilder: my photos dir is 8.1 GB alone | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I was meaning truly original content. If you use mplayer to transcode it - for example - the maximum new data you're creating is the mplayer command line | 00:33 |
| redondos | how do you install a .install in scratchbox? | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | redondos: if it's diablo sbox you may even boot hildon application manager. | 00:34 |
| javispedro | but you can also look at the .install file and install "manually". | 00:34 |
| redondos | how do i install it manually? | 00:35 |
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| javispedro | redondos: the .install file will say the Repository URL and the package name | 00:35 |
| javispedro | it's a text file. | 00:35 |
| redondos | where can i read about booting hildon app manager? | 00:35 |
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| javispedro | redondos: read in the manual the part about running the GUI (search for "af-sb-init.sh") | 00:36 |
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| redondos | i'm running the gui, but the app manager doesn't have any catalogues | 00:37 |
| javispedro | are you in diablo or fremantle? | 00:37 |
| redondos | I'm just trying to understand how it all fits in | 00:38 |
| redondos | fremantle | 00:38 |
| redondos | no good? | 00:38 |
| javispedro | on fremantle you'll have to do "manual install", I don't think the app mgr can install from a local .install (plz correct me ;) ) | 00:38 |
| redondos | fair enough | 00:38 |
| redondos | thanks, pedro | 00:38 |
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| redondos | what kind of incompatibilities are there between all the maemo releases? | 00:39 |
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| redondos | what can i expect if i were to install on fremantle a package built for bora | 00:40 |
| redondos | s/$/?/ | 00:40 |
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| javispedro | redondos: unless it's a command line app, a lot of incompatibilities. | 00:41 |
| javispedro | gtk bumped, hildon bumped, ... long list. | 00:41 |
| redondos | right | 00:41 |
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| javispedro | but hey, I think gtk has a good backwarsd compatibility record. | 00:42 |
| javispedro | it'll look horrible, but may work. | 00:42 |
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| redondos | how can I initialize the audio system in scratchbox/fremantle? | 00:50 |
| zerojay | Not sure if it's there or not, but it's pulseaudio, if that helps any. | 00:51 |
| redondos | pulseaudio doesn't start | 00:51 |
| redondos | E: module.c: Failed to load module "module-alsa-sink-volume" (argument: "sink_name=sink.hw0 mixer_load=HP_DAC,Headphone,Earphone mixer=HP_DAC device=hw:0"): initialization failed. | 00:52 |
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| * javispedro never got the fremantle sdk audio to work | 00:54 | |
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| AStorm | redondos: hmmh, you'd need a bind-mounted proc, sys and dev | 00:57 |
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| javispedro | AStorm: do you know if there may be a way to share the pa socket? | 00:58 |
| javispedro | where is it? | 00:58 |
| javispedro | (I mean, in diablo sbox I used to just let it use the /tmp/.esd/socket with proper $AUTH) | 00:58 |
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| AStorm | javispedro: yes, somewhere like there | 01:00 |
| AStorm | you need to copy it from your main system | 01:00 |
| AStorm | but... why do that? | 01:00 |
| AStorm | use pulse's TCP. | 01:00 |
| AStorm | much less fuss | 01:00 |
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| javispedro | i though a pulse daemon can't output to another pulse daemon | 01:03 |
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| redondos | AStorm: those are there | 01:07 |
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| AStorm | javispedro: you thought wrong | 01:09 |
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| aakashd | ircpassword | 01:10 |
| AStorm | aakashd: ircfail | 01:10 |
| aakashd | :( | 01:10 |
| AStorm | quick hax him ;P | 01:10 |
| Pavlov | heh | 01:11 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: pong | 02:08 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: Going to bed, so will re-pong in the am | 02:17 |
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| Ppupnik | javispedro - wonder if emu could play without screen updates while not having focus | 03:07 |
| Ppupnik | could get down to < 50 % cpu phps | 03:07 |
| AStorm | Ppupnik: need vsync emulated still | 03:08 |
| AStorm | but the rest, not. | 03:08 |
| AStorm | not easy though to resync after refocusing | 03:09 |
| Ppupnik | forget it | 03:11 |
| Ppupnik | that was an unfortunate incident | 03:11 |
| Ppupnik | and i wish wed had better info on the n8x0 limitations, earlier | 03:12 |
| Ppupnik | "don't bother with that" | 03:12 |
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| Ppupnik | dq6 music rules | 03:13 |
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| Tadthebuilder | its quiet tonight | 03:27 |
| zerojay | Sure is. | 03:27 |
| woglinde | good nite | 03:29 |
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| bobbyd | n900 n900 woo! | 03:30 |
| zerojay | ? | 03:30 |
| zerojay | Extras-devel appears to be down. :/ | 03:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | well that unsatisfactory | 03:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | anyone ever used iness? | 03:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | ines* | 03:31 |
| Ppupnik | ya | 03:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | did you have any stability issues with it? | 03:31 |
| Ppupnik | no | 03:32 |
| Ppupnik | u? | 03:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 03:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | must be my n800 | 03:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | ... | 03:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | I thought i had heard it was stable | 03:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just save state every couple of minutes...haha | 03:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | it crashes randomly every ten or so minutes, but I can start it right up and its fine | 03:32 |
| zerojay | Should be stable. | 03:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe I should reflash.... | 03:33 |
| lcuk | any specific game | 03:33 |
| lcuk | or all | 03:33 |
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| Tadthebuilder | i only have one rom | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 03:34 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | so probably just that game...maybe I should try a different game first | 03:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | its final fantasy one | 03:34 |
| lcuk | that might be why you experience glitch and someone else doesnt | 03:34 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: Is it verified? | 03:34 |
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| Tadthebuilder | verified? | 03:35 |
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| zerojay | Yes, is the ROM a verified perfect unchanged, uncorrupted dump? | 03:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah I guess I dont have anyway of knowing. I do own the game but not the hardware to dump it, so I must confess I downloaded it from some site on the internet | 03:36 |
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| Jason404 | Does anybody know if Maemo 6 is likely to be available for the N900? I know the N900 is not out yet, and Maemo 6 is not even finished, but I was wonering if anybody knew what the plans for Maemo 6 were. | 03:36 |
| zerojay | Might be a problem with the ROM then. | 03:36 |
| zerojay | Jason404: No one knows, but that's the plan as far as we know. | 03:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah if its been stable for everyone else | 03:36 |
| Jason404 | zerojay: ok thanks | 03:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | would any of the hardware buttons cause it to crash | 03:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | I could of it one of them on accident | 03:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | repeatedly | 03:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | im a bit clumsy | 03:37 |
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| Tadthebuilder | lcuk any promising leads on a job man? | 03:40 |
| lcuk | yes, i have been surveying the landscape i think i can see a number of possible directions and places i could see myself | 03:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | glad to here it | 03:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | (am I the only one who thinks that application manager should be a utility rather than a setting?) | 03:44 |
| zerojay | I think you're taking the names too literally. ;) | 03:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe | 03:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I always look for it under utilities first...ive had n800 for two years | 03:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | you think I would know by now. | 03:45 |
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| Ppupnik | at least dq6 keeps me chilled | 03:47 |
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| comhack | /quit | 03:47 |
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| Ppupnik | cutting off internet is a good idea. focuses the mind | 03:47 |
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| Tadthebuilder | you know whats awesome | 03:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | shakespearian english in a video game translated poorly from japanese | 03:50 |
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| lcuk | Ppupnik, good idea. | 03:52 |
| lcuk | good night folks \o | 03:52 |
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| Tadthebuilder | night | 03:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay I have determined it was the Rom... | 03:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | a different game is working fine | 03:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | I should of thought of that...there was just no other game I wanted to play. | 03:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh I just wanted to make my services known to be available though it probably wont help much now... | 03:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 03:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | I am willing to be a beta tester for any software for the n800 | 03:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | and if I ever get an n900 I probably would not use it as a phone so If I get one I could do it then too. | 03:55 |
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| zerojay | How does using it as a phone stop you from testing software on the N900? | 03:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | if its your primary phone | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | youd probably be more worried about making it unstable | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | atleast I would | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | (should that be instable...) | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | atleast that was my reasoning | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | I could be wrong though | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | I figured it out | 03:58 |
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| Tadthebuilder | the back button on the hardware | 03:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | causes the program to exit... | 03:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I somtimes hit it when I mean to hit the down arrow | 03:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | does my reasoning make sense zerojay? | 03:59 |
| zerojay | I suppose. | 03:59 |
| zerojay | But because it's Linux, anything being unstable should be relatively localized. | 03:59 |
| zerojay | App crashes, not the whole thing. | 04:00 |
| zerojay | But yeah.. I guess if you keep all sorts of important stuff, sure. | 04:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah I see your point there | 04:01 |
| bobbyd | just back it up I suppose | 04:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | anyway there is not much likelihood of me getting an n900 anytime soon any way | 04:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe when the n910 is out and I can get the n900 used for 200 bucks | 04:01 |
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| zerojay | bobbyd: Exactly. | 04:02 |
| bobbyd | Tadthebuilder: I'm getting one at launch | 04:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont have the money | 04:03 |
| bobbyd | Tadthebuilder: sell stuff on ebay! | 04:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | heh, I dont have enough things to sell, except for maybe my computer moniter...but I need that | 04:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | everything I own can fit in my 1996 monte carlo | 04:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just got out of graduate school | 04:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | and just got a job making not much money at all | 04:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | and Im getting married and trying to buy a house...so no 600 bucks for a n900 | 04:04 |
| zerojay | I know that feeling. | 04:04 |
| Ppupnik | thats reality | 04:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | tis true | 04:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I dont mean to complain | 04:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | I was just explaining why I couldnt really sell anything | 04:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 04:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | I love my job | 04:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats a plus | 04:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I have an n800 | 04:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | and it is still awesome | 04:05 |
| zerojay | What do you do? | 04:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im a Youth Pastor/minister | 04:05 |
| zerojay | Ah. | 04:05 |
| zerojay | I make videogames. | 04:05 |
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| Tadthebuilder | thats a cool job | 04:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 04:06 |
| zerojay | Sure is. | 04:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | might I ask what platform? | 04:06 |
| zerojay | Trying to get Unity3d to port to N900 so we can port some of our games to N900. | 04:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | well thats pretty cool. | 04:06 |
| zerojay | Whatever works. Next gen consoles, iPhone, DS... all cellular phones previously. | 04:07 |
| bobbyd | zerojay: you mean you're trying to port it yourself, or trying to get them to do a port? | 04:07 |
| bobbyd | or asking them Ii should say | 04:07 |
| zerojay | bobbyd: Unity3D is a full middleware solution for iPhone development. I'm not porting it. :) | 04:07 |
| Ppupnik | church retreats were the best | 04:07 |
| bobbyd | zerojay: right, so you're asking for a port | 04:07 |
| zerojay | bobbyd: Asking them to port, yes. | 04:08 |
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| bobbyd | zerojay: what's the response so far? | 04:08 |
| zerojay | bobbyd: "We're planning on porting to other platforms" | 04:08 |
| bobbyd | heh | 04:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | what dev company do you work for? | 04:09 |
| bobbyd | I suppose it's chicken and egg | 04:09 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: Ubisoft. | 04:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | are their any concerns with copy protection on the n900? | 04:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | (look on page 35 of manual line 4 word 6 ) | 04:10 |
| zerojay | The lack thereof... I'm sure there would be, but until Unity is ported, we're not even worrying about that yet. | 04:10 |
| sheepbat | <looks up> | 04:11 |
| sheepbat | the manual has been released? | 04:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | the manual has been released | 04:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | but that was supposed to be aj oke | 04:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | a copy protection joke | 04:11 |
| sheepbat | the manual has been released! | 04:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | old dos games | 04:11 |
| sheepbat | ooh | 04:11 |
| sheepbat | right | 04:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | would have you look up in the manual and insert the word to prove you bought the game | 04:11 |
| zerojay | An unfinished version of the manual.. plenty of errors and problems with it. | 04:11 |
| sheepbat | I completely missed that | 04:11 |
| sheepbat | yep | 04:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | are we sure its unfinished or just done poorly? | 04:11 |
| sheepbat | does it have the word "suckers" in it? | 04:11 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: Until it gets printed, unfinished. | 04:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | (its definitely not standard English) | 04:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | true that would make sense | 04:12 |
| sheepbat | darn those finns | 04:12 |
| zerojay | It's Finnglish. Community's already working on fixing it. | 04:12 |
| zerojay | Don't take everything in it as gospel. | 04:12 |
| zerojay | No pun intended. | 04:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | Its not as bad as all your base are belong to us | 04:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | but its got some problems | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh does anyone else think the standard chess game that comes with maemo impossible? | 04:14 |
| Ppupnik | exciting stuff zerojay, didnt know you were in with unity3d | 04:14 |
| AStorm | Tadthebuilder: it's hard, yes | 04:14 |
| zerojay | Ppupnik: I'm not in with them. :) | 04:14 |
| AStorm | it's gnuchess | 04:14 |
| Ppupnik | ok | 04:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats about the quality of the english from the manual | 04:14 |
| AStorm | something like ~2000 ELO on lowest difficulty | 04:14 |
| Ppupnik | i feel like a networked game of something | 04:15 |
| AStorm | it can be beaten, but it's hard | 04:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | zerojay: does ubisoft have a problem with you being involved in open source development on the side? | 04:15 |
| AStorm | Tadthebuilder: it's fairly so-so at long-term planning at lower difficulties | 04:15 |
| bobbyd | hmmmmm | 04:16 |
| AStorm | plays very well in the openings | 04:16 |
| bobbyd | what's this I see | 04:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | I need to work on my chess skills | 04:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | especially openings | 04:16 |
| AStorm | on low diff, endings can be forced often to a draw | 04:16 |
| AStorm | not so on medium and higher | 04:16 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I take it your good at chess? or involved in the development... | 04:17 |
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| Tadthebuilder | or both | 04:18 |
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| AStorm | I'm... ok at chess | 04:19 |
| AStorm | as in, I did enter some low-key tournaments | 04:19 |
| AStorm | I can beat that app at low about 40% of the time | 04:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | well that gives me a pretty good basis from which to understand the difficult | 04:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | y | 04:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | is it hard to make a computer playing convincely poorly in chess? | 04:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | (for instance is the only way to make it play stupid to make it make obvious mistakes) | 04:20 |
| AStorm | no, not really | 04:20 |
| AStorm | make it search less of the space | 04:21 |
| AStorm | modify min-max thresholds | 04:21 |
| AStorm | do some random misses | 04:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:21 |
| AStorm | gnuchess doesn't do any of those | 04:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | that would explain it then | 04:21 |
| AStorm | it only has search depth and hash table size | 04:21 |
| AStorm | as tunables | 04:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 04:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | well someone needs to fork it or make a new open source chess game that is easier | 04:21 |
| AStorm | hehe | 04:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im never gonna get any better playing against something I can never beat | 04:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 04:22 |
| AStorm | just try gnuchess v4 | 04:22 |
| AStorm | it was fairly weaker | 04:22 |
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| AStorm | note that it's old code | 04:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | mostly cause I got frustrated and stopped trying after I kept losing | 04:22 |
| AStorm | might need updates. | 04:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | is there a KDE equivalent that is easier I wonder | 04:22 |
| * Ppupnik travels north to the well of dreams | 04:23 | |
| AStorm | Tadthebuilder: heh, hmm | 04:23 |
| AStorm | maybe you could try old Sjeng. | 04:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | im confused | 04:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | by his comment of traveling to the well of dreams | 04:23 |
| AStorm | or old GNU chess | 04:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | is that synonymous with bed? | 04:23 |
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| AStorm | Tadthebuilder: he said he's going to sleep, duh | 04:23 |
| Ppupnik | tad, game on drnoksnes | 04:23 |
| corq-FL | i having issues flashing under ubuntu; I have an n810 I threw Mer on awhile back; I'm trying to reflash Diablo back on it to give to a pal, but I'm getting "device or resource busy" errors. | 04:24 |
| Ppupnik | dont let kids see drnoksnes | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | how is drnoksnes running? | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | is it close to full spead? | 04:24 |
| Ppupnik | no | 04:24 |
| AStorm | hehe | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | is it playable? | 04:24 |
| Ppupnik | fast enough | 04:24 |
| Ppupnik | very | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | like for final fantasy three/siz | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | six* | 04:24 |
| Ppupnik | yup | 04:24 |
| AStorm | harhar | 04:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | is frame rate skippable? | 04:24 |
| Ppupnik | yes | 04:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | are you the developer? | 04:25 |
| AStorm | Tadthebuilder: really, try old gnuchess | 04:25 |
| AStorm | you should be able to beat it | 04:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | Ill see if I could find it | 04:25 |
| Ppupnik | i play it while also running xchat, tear browser and 3 ssh xterms, Tad | 04:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | wow | 04:25 |
| AStorm | (myself, I could fight with some of our local 1st chess class players | 04:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | are you the developer of it? | 04:26 |
| Ppupnik | no , javispedro ported it | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just searched add remove programs on my ubuntu bxo | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | and found five different chess games | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe one of them is not impossible | 04:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | or they could be the same chess game with different skins haha | 04:26 |
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| Ppupnik | also everybody try qtnx - nomachine nx client - kicks vnc butt!! | 04:26 |
| AStorm | Tadthebuilder: real chess don't have skins ;p | 04:27 |
| AStorm | they're stdio-based | 04:27 |
| AStorm | and use UIs | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats what I meant | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | different appearances | 04:27 |
| AStorm | heh. | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | looks different | 04:27 |
| AStorm | shouldn't be hard. | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | one is gnome chess | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | the other is gnome chess 3d | 04:27 |
| Ppupnik | I want battlechess with politicians as figurines | 04:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh pychess | 04:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | is different | 04:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | So Obama verses Kim Jong? | 04:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | or | 04:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | in nation? | 04:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | Brown vs I dont know any other politicians name in the uk... | 04:28 |
| Ppupnik | yeah whole cabinets | 04:29 |
| Ppupnik | lame idea nm | 04:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 04:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | historical ones might be good though | 04:30 |
| Ppupnik | drnoksnes sound is soooooo good | 04:30 |
| Ppupnik | mhm | 04:30 |
| Ppupnik | remember milton bradley "stratego"? | 04:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes | 04:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | I love that game | 04:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | we need to get that ofr the ITT's | 04:31 |
| Ppupnik | online 2p | 04:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes exactly | 04:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | if you make it ill play it | 04:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | well have to call it something different | 04:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | like "hide the flag and kill the other team with your bomb but if they get your flag you lose" | 04:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | very succinct | 04:32 |
| Ppupnik | i am looking in google | 04:32 |
| Ppupnik | just need a website | 04:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | edit:with your bombs and people with a higher number but if they get your flag you lose. | 04:32 |
| * AStorm got worse in chess from lack of practice | 04:32 | |
| AStorm | ;P | 04:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | that does happen | 04:33 |
| Ppupnik | sorry these trash sites are too heavy for tablet | 04:33 |
| AStorm | as in, I can't deliver a beating on 1st class players anymore | 04:33 |
| AStorm | it's an even match | 04:33 |
| Ppupnik | nice | 04:33 |
| Ppupnik | how do you think about chess | 04:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | well get to work ppupnik | 04:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | code it | 04:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 04:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 04:34 |
| AStorm | Ppupnik: you can't think about chess | 04:34 |
| AStorm | I think about strategy | 04:34 |
| AStorm | but my... memory is not as good as some | 04:35 |
| AStorm | I tend to forget previous sequences and that sometimes leads to my bane | 04:35 |
| AStorm | of a waste of a move. losing initiative | 04:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill play you if you promise to be blind folded haha | 04:35 |
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| AStorm | I can't do blind-fold chess | 04:35 |
| AStorm | just... can't ;p | 04:36 |
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| AStorm | I can do quick chess and switch chess | 04:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | do you think you could play against Death? | 04:36 |
| AStorm | and multiple | 04:36 |
| AStorm | ? | 04:36 |
| AStorm | as in? | 04:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | Its an opening scene to a movie | 04:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | sweedish film | 04:36 |
| AStorm | I wouldn't try, I'd lose ;p | 04:36 |
| Tadthebuilder | seventh seal | 04:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | directed by igmar birgman | 04:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | (not sure about the spelling) | 04:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | SPoofed by a kids cartoon called Animaniacs | 04:37 |
| AStorm | at best, I could draw (seeing that game) | 04:37 |
| derf | Famously riffed in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey. | 04:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | and Animaniacs | 04:37 |
| AStorm | I think it's been some grandmaster game | 04:37 |
| AStorm | rendered there | 04:37 |
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| Tadthebuilder | you have lost me Astorm | 04:37 |
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| Ppupnik | ~Bannorzz received the Spirit Crown!~ | 04:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | im very excited | 04:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | have no idea what your talking about | 04:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | but very excited for you | 04:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | you know what was a decent idea but a horrible implementation? | 04:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | Songbird | 04:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | the music player build on mozilla | 04:47 |
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| Ppupnik | no idea | 04:48 |
| Ppupnik | why people want to add functions to browsers | 04:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | song bird does not try to add function to browsers | 04:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | it makes it a specific browser for something | 04:49 |
| AStorm | it's like the inverse | 04:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont want a media browser | 04:49 |
| AStorm | they want to reduce a browser to a media player | 04:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | I want a browser, that happens to be able to handle media | 04:49 |
| AStorm | good effort, but not that good execution | 04:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | if I wanted a heavey audio player id be using Itunes | 04:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I want a light audio player | 04:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | (because I have a horrible computer....512 megs of ram...) | 04:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I want my audio player to be barely noticeable | 04:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | xmms to the rescue | 04:50 |
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| Ppupnik | kind of interferes with matchbox | 04:51 |
| Ppupnik | but its great | 04:52 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I definitly just forgot my IRC program was a firefox plugin when i restarted my browser | 04:57 |
| daveb70 | lol | 04:57 |
| b-man16 | heh xD | 04:57 |
| Ppupnik | you know you can get xmms on n800 Tad? | 04:58 |
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| Ppupnik | kind of putzy install | 04:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 04:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | xmms | 04:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | it isnt important | 04:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | on n800 | 04:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | I used it on my desktop | 04:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | because I have an underpowerd machine | 04:59 |
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| Tadthebuilder | and I like to multitask | 04:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | though the n800 is capable of multitasking I dont really surf the internet with 15 tabs open while listening to music | 05:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | and playing a game | 05:00 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I really should change my surfing habbits | 05:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | I crash my browser on a regular basis | 05:01 |
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| b-man16 | your not the only one xD | 05:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah but my comp cannot handle it ... | 05:02 |
| AStorm | Tadthebuilder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chess_openings | 05:02 |
| AStorm | learn some | 05:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | I wish I could buy a bunch more ram | 05:02 |
| AStorm | it's hard to learn these from book all at once (or wiki) | 05:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | im gonna book mark that | 05:02 |
| AStorm | it needs actual play | 05:02 |
| b-man16 | how much do you have? | 05:02 |
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| Tadthebuilder | its getting late | 05:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | I wont remember much | 05:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | 512 megs | 05:02 |
| b-man16 | eew | 05:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 05:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | 3 gig single core processor | 05:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | and its ddr not ddr2 ram so it costs more | 05:03 |
| b-man16 | that´s too bad :( | 05:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 05:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | its okay | 05:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | I function | 05:03 |
| b-man16 | ;) | 05:03 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I also have a laptop | 05:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | whose specs are even worse | 05:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | but sometiems I multitask by using both at the same time | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | one running musi | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | c | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | and the other running the webbrowser | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I hate heavy flash sites | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | they bring me to standstill | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | anyway | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | I gotta go | 05:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | have a nice night every body | 05:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill work on my chess I promise haha | 05:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | bye | 05:05 |
| * b-man16 usally has 2-3 (virtual machines) running with the web browser open to 20 tabs while watching videos and chatting xD | 05:05 | |
| b-man16 | c ya | 05:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, Flashblock. | 05:05 |
| disco_stu | Tadthebuilder, adblock is good too | 05:06 |
| daveb70 | does your PC max out above 512mb? will it take PC3200? | 05:07 |
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| daveb70 | I'm staring at 2x512 OZ PC3200 DIMMs I paid $300 for...just collecting dust | 05:08 |
| daveb70 | er, OCZ | 05:08 |
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| Ppupnik | 1614 user RW 191M 1 91.4154.3 tear | 05:14 |
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| Ppupnik | pricey | 05:15 |
| zerojay | Tadthebuilder: So long as I'm not programming - all programming I do is owned by Ubisoft regardless - they don't mind. | 05:15 |
| daveb70 | Back in 2002 for Platinum series, it was common. Would I pay that much for ram again? no | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, wonder when silly employment clauses like that will finally go. | 05:16 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Like 1 year non-complete clauses? | 05:16 |
| zerojay | Honestly, in my portion of the company, the clauses are very rarely enforced, even if you go to a competitor. | 05:17 |
| zerojay | And my boss is very friendly to open source in general anyways and she's quite familiar with Linux command lines herself (to my surprise). | 05:18 |
| AStorm | damm | 05:27 |
| AStorm | I shouldn't read chess portion of the wiki | 05:27 |
| AStorm | it's too good | 05:27 |
| AStorm | heck, I might improve ;p | 05:27 |
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| Tadthebuilder | hey | 05:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | to the person | 05:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | asking about my ram | 05:49 |
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| Tadthebuilder | honestly im not sure what type of ram it woudl be | 05:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | I know the current ram is ddr, not ddr2 | 05:49 |
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| Tadthebuilder | and I have adblock | 05:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | which does help | 05:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | but Flashblock would just help my computer no go to a crawl I would still hate flash heavey sites | 05:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 05:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just would not be able to see them | 05:50 |
| Ppupnik | selectively enable flash regions | 05:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | that is an option | 05:50 |
| disco_stu | someone wants to help me install mer ? | 05:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | the processor was really nice when I got it | 05:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | .. | 05:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | 3 gig processor with Hyper Threading | 05:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh yeah | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, see the wiki guide? | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats where its at | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pentium 4? ;) | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | yep | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | . . . was never "nice. :P | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | let me change that to expensive | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:51 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, who wrote that ? a cluster of monkeys with typewritters ? | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can build a nice Core 2 machine for about $300 these days. | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, programmers. | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | Ive been looking into it | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, but the steps are accurate. | 05:51 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, lazy ones | 05:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | but I have too many expenses right now to put 300 into a new machine | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, honestly, though, it's not worth the time yet. | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still not day-to-day usable. | 05:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | (buying a house, getting married etc) | 05:52 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, i'll wait then | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, just as well, the i5/i3 stuff should be cheap next year. | 05:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, which'll be cheaper in the long run anyway since the powersaving is a lot better. | 05:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats good to kjnow | 05:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | want to save on power | 05:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill be using enough of that as it is in heating and cooling my almost a hundred year old house | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 05:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Been there. Done that. | 05:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im getting married in sixteen days | 05:53 |
| Ppupnik | congrats! | 05:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I have not closed on the house yet do to a zoning issue | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure what's worse. An old house with central heat/air and no insulation or a newer apartment with insulation and window units. | 05:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | but it looks like we are moving forward | 05:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | well, This house has been updated a bit | 05:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | so its actually seems somewhat insulated | 05:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 05:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | thanks | 05:54 |
| Ppupnik | mine aint | 05:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | hey is the person that was talking to me about ram still in here? | 05:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Updated" is really hit or miss on old houses. | 05:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | its true | 05:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | this house is really cheap | 05:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | and im going to resell it commercially | 05:55 |
| Ppupnik | nice timing | 05:55 |
| Ppupnik | maybe | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate it when yuppies move into an antique, replace all of the original floors with synthetic shit, put in aluminum windows and plastic siding. :\ | 05:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | since its zones commercial | 05:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 05:55 |
| Ppupnik | sounds good | 05:55 |
| zerojay | Dontcha guys just love it when some really misinformed people assume things to be fact? I sure do. :) | 05:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | 2800 square foot house | 05:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, hehe. | 05:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | what do you mean by that? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, Talk? ;) | 05:56 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: As always. | 05:57 |
| zerojay | One person in particular. | 05:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, there's always one. | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seems like when one finally gets educated or leaves another pops up to take their place. | 05:58 |
| zerojay | "what a clusterfuck summit is... they scheduled it early so no one will have their n900s... i think I'm gonna cancel..." lol | 05:58 |
| Pavlov | i should work on my talk for the summit | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Damn straight you should. | 05:59 |
| disco_stu | where is the summit ? usa ? europe ? | 05:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | amsterdam | 05:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | everyone is going to be high.... | 05:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | so the summit is not going to happen | 05:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | just kidding | 06:00 |
| disco_stu | all you guys are going ? | 06:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im not. | 06:00 |
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| Tadthebuilder | haha | 06:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | but thats expected | 06:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | no one knows who i am | 06:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | and im not a develope | 06:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | r | 06:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im a leech | 06:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | on the community | 06:00 |
| zerojay | I had sponsorship, but had to back out because of work, money, passports... all that fun shit. | 06:00 |
| * GeneralAntilles is going! | 06:00 | |
| Pavlov | i kind of want to go to another talk during mine | 06:00 |
| Pavlov | someone want to give mine? | 06:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, this is the digital age. | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Either watch the recording of the other talk. | 06:01 |
| Pavlov | pre-record mine? | 06:01 |
| Pavlov | ;) | 06:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or record yourself doing your talk now and just set a laptop on stage. | 06:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | also | 06:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | wireless transmit | 06:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | your talk | 06:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | for the audience of the other talk | 06:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | using a mobile device | 06:02 |
| Pavlov | wonder how good wifi will be | 06:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | like the n900 (or if you dont have one yet an n800) | 06:02 |
| Tadthebuilder | im just thinking that if wifi isnt good they should of picked a different location | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, capacity planning says "good". Typical conference performance histories say "awful". | 06:02 |
| Pavlov | yeah. | 06:03 |
| Pavlov | maybe i can get a sim card over there | 06:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | i think hogwash | 06:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | is full of hogwash | 06:03 |
| zerojay | Exxxactly. | 06:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Troll. | 06:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Move on. ;) | 06:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | not that I really know | 06:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | im just here because im bored | 06:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | and its late | 06:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | and im trying to make myself tired | 06:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | so talk so programming language talk and get me to fall asleep | 06:05 |
| Pavlov | think you're just making everyone else tired:) | 06:05 |
| disco_stu | my n800 battery is lasting almost nothing :/ | 06:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | buy a new one | 06:05 |
| disco_stu | i have a new one | 06:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, filling it was mayonnaise was not a good plan. | 06:05 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, ? | 06:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | do you have a program | 06:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | not allowing | 06:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | the processor to go into idle? | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | disco_stu, a couple ounces of mayonnaise does not a new battery make. | 06:06 |
| disco_stu | Tadthebuilder, nah, the old bat is lasting less than 2 hours | 06:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think some alarm clock did that to me in the past | 06:06 |
| Ppupnik | yup | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, in fact i spilled a yogur to mi n800 | 06:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | well how long is the new one lasting? | 06:07 |
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| disco_stu | tableteer, 4 | 06:07 |
| disco_stu | Tadthebuilder, 4 or more, depends | 06:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe you received a low quality or used battery? | 06:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | my n800 is two years old and I still have 6-7 hour battery life in active use | 06:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | longer than that | 06:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | if just playing music | 06:08 |
| disco_stu | dont know, maybe the weather here is what makes them deteriorate | 06:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | well batteries do deteriorate over time | 06:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | I may be wrong | 06:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | and if I am wrong the general will correct me | 06:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | but heat kills batteries faster than anything else | 06:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | thankfully the n800 dont generate much heat | 06:10 |
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| disco_stu | Tadthebuilder, in this precise moment i picked my n800 it said half bat, in a no time it said low bat in a few seconds, recharge and the unit shutdow | 06:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | but thats why its good to use a holster with a phone | 06:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | less heat if its away from your body | 06:11 |
| Pavlov | i keep my n810 covered in ice to keep it cool | 06:11 |
| disco_stu | here winter is very cold and summer is very hot | 06:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | that seems over kill pavlov | 06:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | anyway | 06:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | since no boring talk is happening here | 06:12 |
| disco_stu | maybe i should reflash or something | 06:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | im going to try another method of bringing about sleep | 06:12 |
| disco_stu | take load applet out ? what do you say ? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man, my typo rate is skyrocketing. | 06:12 |
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| Tadthebuilder | sorry | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | i meant litterally | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | trying to get myself to fall asleep | 06:13 |
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| Tadthebuilder | as in rest | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | on a bed | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | with eyes closed | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | entering into a state of dreams | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | but you could of bought a bad battery | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | or something | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont really know | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | i dont know much | 06:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 06:13 |
| Ppupnik | wow i get my own freenode server | 06:14 |
| disco_stu | Tadthebuilder, wifi kills it | 06:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | wifi should drain your battery some faster | 06:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | but i think their is a way to see the percentage of each running program of processor use | 06:14 |
| Macer | some faster than what? bt? | 06:14 |
| Macer | :) | 06:14 |
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| disco_stu | Tadthebuilder, with htop | 06:15 |
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| Tadthebuilder | anything | 06:15 |
| Macer | i always figured the 3G modem would kill an n900 faster than anything | 06:15 |
| Macer | most 3G modems are powerwhores | 06:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | using a high percentage | 06:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont believe 3g exists | 06:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think its imaginary | 06:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | (okay ill stop saying stupid things now) | 06:15 |
| Macer | its just edge with update firmware? | 06:15 |
| Macer | heh | 06:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think edge sounds cooler | 06:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | your on the edge | 06:16 |
| Macer | i'm really curius if i can use a cricket 3G modem with my touchbook | 06:16 |
| Macer | that would be so awesome | 06:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | touchbooks look sweet | 06:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | I tried to talk my fiance into buying one | 06:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | and told her she could put the tablet on the refridgerator | 06:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | while she cooked (not being a sexist, she likes to cook) | 06:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | and was like you could watch you tube cooking videos | 06:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | or have recipies on it | 06:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | or both. and she told me that paper was cheaper... | 06:17 |
| Macer | does it even have youtube support? | 06:17 |
| Macer | :) | 06:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont know | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | but it was a nice try on my part | 06:18 |
| Macer | that would require flash wouldn't it? | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | or a substitute | 06:18 |
| Macer | i'm not sure if they have flash in whatever os they are using. i think a modded angstrom | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | aye | 06:18 |
| Macer | youtube stores stuff in mp4 also | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | but Ubuntu Mobile for arm has been compiled | 06:18 |
| Macer | so they might have some 3rd party crap | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | and ran on it | 06:18 |
| Macer | really? | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | or so I heard | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe thats a legend | 06:18 |
| Macer | i'll probably stick wtih the stock stuff for a bit | 06:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | Its really late | 06:18 |
| Macer | i got my tracking number | 06:18 |
| Macer | so it should be here soon :) | 06:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | so maybe their were people working on it | 06:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | I pride myself on running out dated computational devices | 06:19 |
| Macer | oh i'm sure | 06:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill keep my n800 for the next several years | 06:19 |
| Macer | out dated? :) | 06:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | and my six year old desktop | 06:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | too | 06:19 |
| Macer | 600MHz omap3 isn't too outdated :) | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | Macer: HTC Touch Pro2 w/ Linux port. :p | 06:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | what about 3 gig pentium four with 512 megs of ram? | 06:19 |
| Macer | luke-jr: huh? | 06:20 |
| Macer | go run gentoo :-P | 06:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | in a couple more years it wont even be able to run a browser | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | Macer: yes, exactly | 06:20 |
| Macer | at least if i run gentoo on it.. i wouldn't need a keyboard map | 06:20 |
| Macer | :) | 06:20 |
| Macer | well.. nothing special at least | 06:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | anyway | 06:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | goodnight | 06:20 |
| Macer | and it might be able to compile larger things | 06:20 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: probably would. Fn key is a problem for Linux on all devices/hardware. | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | except hardware Fn keys | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | TP2 has non-Fn number row tho | 06:21 |
| Macer | well. it has a full 256MB of ram | 06:21 |
| Macer | which i hear is the hard max for omap3 | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | well | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles hinted that 512 MB RAM variants exist, but are very expensive | 06:21 |
| Macer | it has 256M of internal flash also. not really sure what that is for | 06:21 |
| Macer | i'd guess the OS but i don't know yet | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:22 |
| Macer | i just thought it odd because they counted it in the memory specs | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, only because of parts availability. | 06:22 |
| Macer | i doubt they'd use it for a swap | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | TouchPro2 isn't OMAP anyway | 06:23 |
| Macer | newer arm tho isn't it? | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | not sure | 06:23 |
| Macer | i'm pretty sure it is | 06:23 |
| Macer | not positive tho | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | Qualcomm IIRC | 06:23 |
| Macer | that mips laptop looks bust | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, there's nothing newer than Cortex A8. | 06:24 |
| Macer | the one that uses the usb key crap and the loongsoon or whatever it's called | 06:24 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles: i know but i'm not sure if the touchpro2 uses older arm or new gen | 06:24 |
| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: except cortex a9 | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, right, but that's nowhere near market yet. ;) | 06:24 |
| Pavlov | mm:) | 06:25 |
| Macer | YET! | 06:25 |
| Macer | heh | 06:25 |
| Macer | what is a9.. dual or quad core? | 06:25 |
| Pavlov | specs for both | 06:25 |
| Pavlov | but seems to be mostly centered around dual | 06:25 |
| Macer | wow that would be awesome | 06:25 |
| Macer | if it can stay within the power requirements to actually last longer than half the time of a single core arm | 06:26 |
| disco_stu | someone knows why maemo-mapper is failing with google street maps ? | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | A lower-clocked dual-core can use significantly less power. | 06:26 |
| Pavlov | Macer: i suspect they'll use a bit more power, if both fully on | 06:26 |
| Pavlov | but you can prolly be clever around powering one off | 06:26 |
| Ppupnik | i had my phenom down to 72 watts, running but idle | 06:27 |
| Macer | or do some extreme idling between cycles? :) | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, a dual-500MHz Cortex A9 will use less than half the power of a 1GHz Cortex A8. | 06:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Significantly less than half. | 06:27 |
| Macer | but you lose time on single threaded apps | 06:27 |
| Pavlov | yeah | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | you can probably turn off the cores independently? | 06:28 |
| Macer | heh. that would suck depending on what you are doing | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | I would imagine. | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | maybe even change the clock on them | 06:28 |
| Pavlov | i doubt you'll see many 500mhz a9s | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | As an extreme example. :) | 06:28 |
| Macer | extreme throttling and idling? :) | 06:28 |
| Macer | haha | 06:28 |
| Macer | i'm picturing arms that turn into near atom crap | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | so you might run at 100 MHz when almost-idling, or dual 1 GHz when compiling KDE | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, unlikely. | 06:29 |
| * Macer has a special place of disgust for atoms in his heart | 06:29 | |
| Pavlov | atoms are fast, compared to all the arm stuff | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | Pavlov: no. | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | Atoms are x86. you can't compare it with ARM clock-for-clock. | 06:30 |
| Pavlov | but not worth it for 10x power hit | 06:30 |
| luke-jr | (not that you could compare two x86 or two ARM clock-for-clock either, but x86 vs ARM is even more significantly different) | 06:30 |
| Pavlov | luke-jr: i can subjectively compare them for lots of things | 06:30 |
| Pavlov | running linux, browsing the web, etc | 06:31 |
| Pavlov | and the atoms are faster -- there really is no doubt | 06:31 |
| Pavlov | but i certainly don't want an atom in my pocket :) | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | Pavlov: do you know the meaning of "clock-for-clock"? :) | 06:31 |
| Pavlov | i am not comparing them clock-for-clock, nor did I ever | 06:31 |
| Pavlov | i simply stated that atoms are faster | 06:32 |
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| Macer | Pavlov: i think you are correct but what is there really to compare it to? | 06:32 |
| Macer | omap2 n8x0s? | 06:32 |
| Macer | :) | 06:32 |
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| Macer | not to mention that atoms are also able to address much larger amounts of ram | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | uh | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | I doubt that will be a problem for handhelds too soon | 06:33 |
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| Pavlov | don't get me wrong, i like where ARM is heading | 06:33 |
| Pavlov | their power story is amazing | 06:33 |
| Macer | luke-jr: i doubt that handheld arms will have a ton of memory any time soon | 06:33 |
| Macer | takes a lot to power ram :) | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: exactly my point | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | who needs > 3 GB RAM support when you don't even use 1 GB RAM yet | 06:34 |
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| Macer | heh. maybe not on an arm yet | 06:34 |
| * luke-jr ponders a handheld that has 1 GB RAM, but only powers it up in 256 MB increments as needed | 06:34 | |
| Macer | that would be interesting | 06:35 |
| Macer | but would probably require a backpack battery | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:35 |
| Macer | when it was fully powered | 06:35 |
| Macer | :) | 06:35 |
| Macer | either way. my touchbook is the strongest arm based thing i can get a hold of right now so i am anxious to see how well it can perform | 06:36 |
| Macer | playing 1080p on x86 hardware requires like at least a dual 2GHz system | 06:36 |
| Macer | maybe a little less for 720p. and from what i've heard the touchbook can play 720p | 06:37 |
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| Pavlov | what touchbook? | 06:39 |
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| Pavlov | video is one of those things that really belongs on the gpu | 06:40 |
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| johnx | mornin' | 07:10 |
| rm_you | mornin; | 07:10 |
| rm_you | or, night | 07:10 |
| * rm_you scuttles about | 07:11 | |
| johnx | rm_you, hey, I'm gonng be in Amsterdam next week. wanna meet me there and grab lunch? :D | 07:12 |
| rm_you | sure, sounds cool | 07:12 |
| rm_you | lemmie go pack really quick | 07:12 |
| johnx | hey, other maemo guys. anyone up for a trip to amsterdam? | 07:12 |
| * rm_you needs to find his n800 <_< | 07:13 | |
| johnx | O_o' | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow! | 07:13 |
| johnx | ah, and I think I'll hit the airport samish time as you | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to Amsterdam too | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | How'd that happen? | 07:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Texrat has me worried | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | I dunne where I'm staying Thursday night. | 07:13 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, it's a popular place :) | 07:13 |
| rm_you | my n800 has been gathering dust for a month or so... SOMEWHERE... <_< | 07:13 |
| rm_you | hrm | 07:14 |
| rm_you | yeah, are we covered thursday night? | 07:14 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, ahaha, don't worry too much. in the worst case there are hostels all over the place | 07:14 |
| rm_you | yeah | 07:14 |
| rm_you | i mean, i need thurs-sun night | 07:14 |
| rm_you | not sure how many of those are covered >_> | 07:14 |
| * johnx shrugs | 07:14 | |
| rm_you | at least fri-sat, but... | 07:14 |
| johnx | some might be | 07:14 |
| johnx | maybe some aren't | 07:14 |
| rm_you | i hope thursday is | 07:14 |
| johnx | I think thurs is | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lot of people getting in Thursday | 07:14 |
| rm_you | dunno if sunday is | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't realize the reservations start Friday. | 07:15 |
| johnx | yeah | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 07:15 |
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| johnx | that's the one I don't know | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder if we can get into the hotel a night early. | 07:15 |
| rm_you | GA: we DONT have hotel thursday? O_o | 07:15 |
| rm_you | or are you speculating | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Texrat seems to think not. | 07:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure. | 07:15 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 07:15 |
| * rm_you checks wiki for any pertinent info | 07:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys want to try to book 3 into a room? :P | 07:15 |
| rm_you | heh if we need to | 07:16 |
| johnx | would it be cheaper than a youth hostel? | 07:16 |
| rm_you | actually i wonder if i could get us a place | 07:16 |
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| rm_you | i have some contacts | 07:16 |
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| rm_you | will poke one of my friends, he is from NL somewhere, parents still live there, but are always out of the country :P lol | 07:17 |
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| rm_you | i mean the whole country is like 30 minutes across, isn't it? O_o | 07:18 |
| rm_you | or an hour | 07:18 |
| rm_you | max | 07:18 |
| johnx | dunno. I'd feel kinda weird in that situation | 07:18 |
| johnx | think I'll just setup camp in a youth hostel. plus, I wanna be in the city | 07:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Somebody ought to call the hotel and see if we can get in a night early. | 07:20 |
| johnx | they have reservations | 07:20 |
| johnx | either the rooms are reserved or not | 07:20 |
| johnx | if they aren't, we pay | 07:20 |
| johnx | and it's more fun if we don't know in advance | 07:21 |
| rm_you| | lol | 07:21 |
| johnx | why does everyone worry so much about this stuff? I bet you guys read plot spoilers before movies too... | 07:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I hate going into anything without a plan. | 07:22 |
| rm_you| | i worry about extra money i have to spend, that's all :P | 07:22 |
| Pavlov | oh hm, i should book a hotel | 07:22 |
| johnx | the best plan is a whole bunch of tactics for dealing with problems you expect to crop up | 07:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:22 |
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| johnx | but having this plan that x y and z will happen in order is a lot less flexible than planning for any (or all) of x y and z to either happen or not happen | 07:24 |
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| rm_you | worst case I use the clothes from my duffel as a pillow and hope it's a warm night ;P | 07:25 |
| rm_you | we can take shifts on guard duty ^_^ | 07:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ, the Ibis Hotels website is so broken. | 07:25 |
| * johnx adds amsterdam to his weather applet | 07:25 | |
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| johnx | rm_you, not warm | 07:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, what is the weather. | 07:26 |
| rm_you | so i wear ALL of my clothes :P | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have no idea what to pack. | 07:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:26 |
| rm_you | I am gonna need to find out if i OWN any longsleeve shirts | 07:27 |
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| johnx | 53F @ 6AM (or so says the gnome weather applet) | 07:27 |
| rm_you | since moving to TX for this long, i've pretty much ditched all of them | 07:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 07:27 |
| johnx | meh | 07:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles the Florida boy shivers. | 07:27 | |
| johnx | same as WA for the most part | 07:27 |
| rm_you | eh, 53 isn't too bad | 07:27 |
| rm_you | yeah | 07:27 |
| rm_you | though I have to set the AC on so it will get down to 72F at night here O_o | 07:28 |
| johnx | temp range looks like maybe 50 - 60 | 07:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish they had Holiday Inns over there. ;) | 07:29 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, just let rm_you and I handle all the eventualities. I can't see many situations where we'd end up sleeping outside... :D | 07:30 |
| rm_you | CAMPING TRIP! :P | 07:31 |
| rm_you | woot | 07:31 |
| * rm_you packs a travel tent | 07:31 | |
| * johnx looks up where the redlight district is | 07:31 | |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, $225.50 for one night for 3 people. | 07:34 |
| johnx | hahahaha...no | 07:34 |
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| johnx | $22/night/person at the flying pig | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | How far away from the Summit? | 07:36 |
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| * johnx googles | 07:37 | |
| johnx | the site is hostelworld if you guys wanna do some parallel processing :) | 07:37 |
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| johnx | it's like a couple blocks from the hotel | 07:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which location, the Downtown one? | 07:39 |
| rm_you | Ich müß meine Deutsch Hausaufgaben machen... :( | 07:39 |
| johnx | yeah | 07:39 |
| johnx | flying pig downtown | 07:39 |
| johnx | rm_you, I think your keyboard is b0rken | 07:40 |
| rm_you | Doch, es ist nicht kaput! | 07:40 |
| johnx | kimi no kibodo ga sukarenai (tabun...) | 07:41 |
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| johnx | sooo, flying pig downtown seems to come with a free contact high. heh. | 07:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | "surrounded by non-stop Amsterdam action!" | 07:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to be dead be the end of the weekend. | 07:43 |
| johnx | yes | 07:43 |
| johnx | you're only young once | 07:43 |
| johnx | you can sleep when you're dead | 07:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah well, you guys figure it out and tell me where to pay. :P | 07:44 |
| johnx | hmm...don't see a reason to pay until we're sure that Nokia is actually gonna fly a whole bunch of people in with no place to stay | 07:44 |
| johnx | though...I guess planning on this was kinda mixed between Nokia's travel agency and the council? | 07:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, and I was really lazy. :P | 07:45 |
| * johnx rolls his eyes | 07:46 | |
| johnx | thanks... | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, better that than burnt out. :) | 07:46 |
| johnx | better burn out than fade away :P | 07:46 |
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| johnx | but, really what are the chances they have someplace for us thursday night? | 07:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno, emailing -community now to confirm one way or the other. | 07:47 |
| johnx | thanks | 07:47 |
| johnx | once we're 90% sure I'll tell you where to pay up | 07:47 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, what is your feeling about walking? pro or against? | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Walking I can do. | 07:49 |
| johnx | great. makes things easier | 07:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Avoiding an atmosphere of insanity is ideal if that's the choice you're giving me. :D | 07:49 |
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| johnx | trying to find someplace cheap and well rated, w/ breakfast if possible | 07:50 |
| johnx | saves a good chunk of cash usually | 07:50 |
| johnx | also: wifi | 07:51 |
| RST38h | Radio-Controlled Cyborg Beetles Become Reality! | 07:51 |
| RST38h | EHLO all | 07:51 |
| johnx | all is not a valid hostname. disconnecting | 07:51 |
| johnx | NO CARRIER | 07:52 |
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| Myrtti | uhhuh | 07:58 |
| johnx | yeah, I have three decent looking options, but I guess we really do need to hurry up and book. not too many beds left... | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | On a completely unrelated note, man the '09 Mac Pros run quiet. | 08:03 |
| Stskeepz | uh, isn't hotel sponsorship for thursday night too? | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeepz, I have no idea. | 08:04 |
| johnx | Stskeepz, we're planning for eventualities | 08:04 |
| Stskeepz | because it's bloody insane if it's not | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem is, the vast majority of people are getting in Friday, no? | 08:05 |
| Stskeepz | no, thu | 08:05 |
| Stskeepz | summit starts 9.00 fri | 08:05 |
| RST38h | Thursday | 08:05 |
| RST38h | Otherwise, you miss most of Friday | 08:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, we may have to blame Texrat. | 08:06 |
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| RST38h | What are the suggested actions once you arrive to Amsterdam, anyway? Do you go to that hotel prebooked by Nokia and look for a Summit representative there? | 08:07 |
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| Stskeepz | RST38h: in cph we went to hotel and we were pre-listed | 08:08 |
| johnx | RST38h, way it worked for Danish weekend is that they had our names on a list and we showed them passports | 08:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, is going to be waiting in a dark alley with a cudgel to sell us into the code monkey business. | 08:09 |
| RST38h | johnx,Sts: acknowledged | 08:10 |
| johnx | RST38h, well, actually the way it worked was that our names were on a list and then they gave us the wrong room numbers and our keys didn't work and we had to wait a while | 08:10 |
| Stskeepz | or that i wasn't on the list, heh | 08:12 |
| * Stskeepz really doesn't hope that planning was so stupid as to not have the nights as thu nigh, fri night, sat night | 08:14 | |
| RST38h | johnx: Ah, the usual then | 08:16 |
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| Stskeepz | We have booked 40 twin rooms to host 80 sponsored participants | 08:16 |
| Stskeepz | 8 - 11 October 2009 | 08:16 |
| Stskeepz | American buffet breakfast included | 08:16 |
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| johnx | so, why was texrat worried? | 08:18 |
| * Myrtti spams a bit http://jussi01.com/?p=66 (don't kick me, atleast too hard) | 08:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Burn! | 08:19 |
| Stskeepz | johnx: i actually got worried for a sec cos i was confused too | 08:19 |
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| johnx | rm_you, I think we still need to handle sunday night. what about you GeneralAntilles? | 08:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, I think so. | 08:21 |
| johnx | luckily that shouldn't be as crowded | 08:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where's the airport in relation to things? | 08:22 |
| rm_you | yeah | 08:23 |
| rm_you | if you book, is it 10% and then pay the rest there as usual? | 08:23 |
| rm_you | cause i can pay you back the 10% if you want to book for sunday | 08:23 |
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| Stskeepz | when were you two flying in? can't find you on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Travel | 08:30 |
| johnx | didn't post there yet | 08:31 |
| johnx | it's like ~8AM thursday | 08:31 |
| Stskeepz | k | 08:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | johnx, where you flying in from? | 08:35 |
| johnx | SEATAC | 08:35 |
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| Stskeepz | woo, my experimental fremantle beta2 kernel compile succeeded | 08:42 |
| johnx | way to roll the dice. maybe you should buy a lottery ticket :) | 08:43 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: what is "loco"? (other than Spanish for "crazy") | 08:43 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: Local Community | 08:46 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: Ubuntu local chapters in a way | 08:47 |
| johnx | rm_you, adding you to the "travel plans" page | 08:48 |
| rm_you | kk | 08:48 |
| rm_you | you still have my travel link I take it? :P | 08:49 |
| johnx | it appears so | 08:49 |
| johnx | I have maemo logs going back into the prehistoric age :) | 08:49 |
| rm_you | appreciated, by the way, I'm currently trying to finish this ridiculously cheesy german essay thing while my GF is trying to sleep, it's overall aggrivating because she can't sleep well with the light on and i want to be asleep with her <_< | 08:49 |
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| rm_you | so any less things i have to do now | 08:50 |
| rm_you | is nice | 08:50 |
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| rm_you | speaking of, alt-tabbing back to that until i get pinged again :) | 08:50 |
| m-vo | Jaffa, hermes is so cool! | 08:50 |
| m-vo | Jaffa, but it doesn't run for me. :-) | 08:50 |
| m-vo | gnome.conf module is missing. is that known? | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Ah =) | 08:52 |
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| Stskeepz | morning m-vo :) | 08:53 |
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| m-vo | morning! | 09:00 |
| johnx | mornin' m-vo | 09:02 |
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| * m-vo is reminded of the fish tank scene in one of the Monty Python movies... | 09:04 | |
| m-vo | speaking of which: Hermes doesn't start because the gnome.gconf Python module is missing. In which package would that be? | 09:04 |
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| johnx | m-vo, python-gconf or python-gnome maybe? | 09:07 |
| wnd | python2.5-gnome | 09:08 |
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| m-vo | gnome-python! | 09:12 |
| m-vo | Thanks. | 09:12 |
| johnx | rm_you, booking us for sunday at the flying pig | 09:12 |
| m-vo | So, now where do I file the bug.... my first contribution to Fremantle.... | 09:12 |
| johnx | (free shuttle to airport is what tipped the scale) | 09:12 |
| Captain_Picard | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/robocop-bsod.jpg | 09:12 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: hermess has missing dep to python-gconf | 09:16 |
| m-vo | Jaffa, no, to gnome-python | 09:17 |
| tigert | and gnome-python | 09:18 |
| tigert | yeah, noticed | 09:18 |
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| m-vo | tigert, ahh, both? | 09:23 |
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| johnx | GeneralAntilles, want me to book you in the flying pig for sunday night? | 09:25 |
| johnx | that's where I'm booking adam | 09:25 |
| GAN800 | johnx, yeah, that'd be great. | 09:30 |
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| johnx | GAN800, between $30 and $40 USD. that ok? | 09:31 |
| GAN800 | perfect | 09:32 |
| GAN800 | Send me the bill and I'll PayPal you in the morning. | 09:33 |
| johnx | I pay 10% up front, so just bring me cash in Amsterdam | 09:33 |
| johnx | or uhm...also you could not worry about it and buy me a beer | 09:34 |
| GAN800 | Hehe | 09:34 |
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| wazd | mornin' everyone) | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | morning wazd :) | 10:01 |
| wazd | I'm back in the asylum :D | 10:01 |
| johnx | wazd, enjoy the bouncy walls and the stylish jacket :) | 10:02 |
| wazd | no, I'm still as a visitor :P | 10:02 |
| wazd | They don't give jackets to visitors(( | 10:03 |
| wazd | I want my jacket! Now!!11 ARRR! | 10:03 |
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| wazd | johnx: Are you still in Tokyo?) | 10:09 |
| Shapeshifter | it's not long until the n900 is released mhhhh | 10:10 |
| jorma | how long? | 10:10 |
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| johnx | wazd, nope. been back in the US for exactly half a year today :) | 10:11 |
| Shapeshifter | like, three weeks or so? | 10:13 |
| Shapeshifter | or not? It's getting listed everywhere, seems like suppliers are getting dates | 10:13 |
| wazd | johnx: ooh :) Silly me :P | 10:13 |
| Shapeshifter | they said "october" which I interpret as beginning of november, but it seems like it might be on time, mid-october. | 10:14 |
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| johnx | wazd, so are you any closer to breaking free? | 10:17 |
| Captain_Picard | /lastlog http | 10:17 |
| Captain_Picard | /lastlog http | 10:17 |
| Captain_Picard | fail | 10:17 |
| wazd | johnx: well, kinda) | 10:17 |
| wazd | johnx: in theory I already have necessary papers but in fact I need a ton of other crap | 10:18 |
| wazd | So I'm traveling around Moscow, collecting that crap like fucking Mario :D | 10:19 |
| johnx | ahaha | 10:19 |
| johnx | more like legend of zelda | 10:19 |
| johnx | "You need the big key!" | 10:19 |
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| wazd | Well, like any arcade/adventure :P | 10:20 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ok, by now we know who Koopas are, but who is gonna be the Princess Toadstool? | 10:22 |
| johnx | RST38h, you played the first SMB, right? "The princess is in another castle!" | 10:22 |
| johnx | so I think the princess must represent that "final" paper he needs | 10:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: don't ask mate, don't ask :D | 10:24 |
| Jaffa | tigert m-vo: Ah, yes! Thanks | 10:25 |
| Jaffa | I knew I'd forgotten one | 10:25 |
| * Jaffa will do another release today | 10:26 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: there's a joshua.maverick that actually seems to do icons and artwork well. reel him in? ;) | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | on talk | 10:28 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: Sure) | 10:28 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: any examples of his work? | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31322&highlight=free+design has some i think | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | (links to products he's helping out in as well) | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=331928#post331928 | 10:30 |
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| wazd | Can you link to a specific image cause I'm thru edge) | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4146&stc=1&d=1253675661 | 10:32 |
| wazd | Well, pretty good :) | 10:34 |
| tigert | Jaffa: how long should hermes take? | 10:35 |
| wazd | Have something to work on but honestly way better than I expected :) | 10:35 |
| tigert | its been doing its Retrieve-thing for a hour | 10:35 |
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| Macer | heh | 10:36 |
| Macer | i was watching a law class on never talking to the police | 10:36 |
| Macer | it was great | 10:36 |
| tigert | global name 'FacebookError' is not defined | 10:36 |
| Macer | i don't kno wwho was better. the professor or the former police officer | 10:36 |
| tigert | hmm | 10:36 |
| johnx | Macer, haha. saw that one :) | 10:36 |
| Macer | where at the end he showed stewart and jones? :) | 10:37 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Hmm. That could be the missing python-gnome dependency | 10:37 |
| Jaffa | s/python-gconf/ | 10:37 |
| tigert | installed that by hand already | 10:37 |
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| Macer | i had no idea jones used steroids | 10:37 |
| Macer | maybe because i was in iraq when she was convicted | 10:38 |
| Macer | didn't have much time to watch the news | 10:38 |
| johnx | Macer, dude. you *were* the news | 10:39 |
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| Macer | heh | 10:45 |
| Macer | wtf is shot put? | 10:45 |
| Macer | oh. it's when you throw the heavy metal ball thing | 10:46 |
| Macer | ok. for a second there i thought it was a golf thing :) | 10:46 |
| Macer | and was wondering why someone would require steroids for it haha | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | tigert: How many friends do you have? | 10:46 |
| tigert | Jaffa: twitter worked | 10:46 |
| tigert | facebook says that facebookerror is not defined | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Yup, got that fixed just now. Thanks. | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm hardly a code monkey | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, however, you would be good sales opportunity, maybe I could become a codemonkey reseller | 10:48 |
| tigert | Jaffa: some progressbar or such in a dialog might be nice :) | 10:51 |
| tigert | Jaffa: so it basically gets avatars and extra info? | 10:51 |
| Macer | UFC hall of famer Royce Gracie tested positive for Nandrolone after defeating his long time rival Kazushi Sakuraba, he was fined $2,500 and suspended for the remainder of his license | 10:52 |
| Macer | wow.. no way | 10:52 |
| Macer | ! | 10:52 |
| tigert | how does it get my facebook login info ? | 10:52 |
| Corsac | Macer: in the race to my door between the n900 and the touchbook, the latter has taken the lead | 10:52 |
| Macer | the n900? | 10:53 |
| Macer | :) | 10:53 |
| Macer | i thought you hadn't received an email | 10:53 |
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| Macer | are n900s available now? | 10:53 |
| RST38h | The [court] order is to be served against an unknown Twitter user who anonymously posts to the site using the same name as a right-wing political blogger. | 10:53 |
| mavhc | is it not obviously satire? | 10:54 |
| Corsac | Macer: now I have :) | 10:54 |
| Macer | oh. you got one?? | 10:54 |
| Macer | wow. lucky you :) | 10:54 |
| Corsac | yup | 10:54 |
| Macer | get the tracking number too? | 10:54 |
| Corsac | not yet | 10:54 |
| Corsac | that's the next step | 10:54 |
| Corsac | well no the next step is the credit card beeing charged :p | 10:55 |
| Macer | yeah.. took a few hours after receiving the "charged credit card" one | 10:55 |
| Macer | that's awesome | 10:55 |
| Macer | at least now there will be people i can bitch to when it doesn't work right haha | 10:55 |
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| johnx | mavhc, if I managed to get your IRC nick on a different network and pretended to be you, would it be satire? (though the question remains whether it's actually a crime) | 10:56 |
| Macer | mine still hasn't shipped yet and i got the tracking number like 2 days ago | 10:56 |
| Macer | then again. it's usps | 10:56 |
| Macer | :) | 10:56 |
| Macer | it's probably going to show up tomorrow afternoon | 10:56 |
| mavhc | depends how funny you were | 10:56 |
| mavhc | half of the time I'm satirising myself anyway | 10:57 |
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| johnx | mavhc, alright, I'm nominating you as the internet judge of the funnies | 10:57 |
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| mavhc | order!, order! - pint of beer and some crisps please | 10:58 |
| johnx | *crows boos* :P | 10:58 |
| johnx | s/ws/wd/ | 10:59 |
| infobot | johnx meant: *crowd boos* :P | 10:59 |
| mavhc | even the crows hated that one | 11:00 |
| johnx | yeah, but booing? maybe ghost crows... | 11:01 |
| Macer | wow.. we can thank ze Germans for nazism.. AND cocaine! | 11:03 |
| Macer | The cocaine alkaloid was first isolated by the German chemist Friedrich Gaedcke in 1855. Gaedcke named the alkaloid "erythroxyline", and published a description in the journal Archiv der Pharmazie. | 11:03 |
| johnx | ...and then got high as $(&* | 11:03 |
| Macer | haha | 11:04 |
| Macer | he probably invented "HELL YEAH!" | 11:04 |
| RST38h | mavhc,johnx: It is not satire it is pure unadulterated LULZ! | 11:04 |
| Macer | *SNIFFFFFFF* | 11:04 |
| Macer | how do you say hell yeah in german? | 11:05 |
| Jaffa | tigert: New hermes on its way to autobuilder now | 11:05 |
| tigert | ok | 11:05 |
| tigert | how long does it take to get to repo? | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, next sprint meeting is when? | 11:08 |
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| Macer | The actual amount of cocaine that Coca-Cola contained during the first twenty years of its production is practically impossible to determine. | 11:09 |
| Macer | oops | 11:09 |
| RST38h | For the next round of lulz, the judge should insist that Twitter delivers the court order to the user, and Twitter should finally deliver the order to the right-wing guy himself =) | 11:09 |
| RST38h | After all, the names match don't they? | 11:10 |
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| johnx | I just want to see a twitterfied court order. "u hav to go to court 4 takin da guy's name. see u @ 9AM." | 11:11 |
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| hendry | i'm looking for maemo Webkit packages, and I can't find them in the pool http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/ | 11:13 |
| hendry | is there some search interface somewhere? | 11:14 |
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| johnx | hmm. maybe there isn't a webkit for fremantle yet, given that Nokia uses gecko for their browser | 11:15 |
| suihkulokki | hendry: there is no (official) webkit for maemo (maemo's browser is based on mozilla) | 11:15 |
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| hendry | well is there an official one? I just want to have a quick peek at the packaging to see if there are any special build switches | 11:16 |
| hendry | /s/official/UNofficial sorry | 11:17 |
| johnx | well, you could be the first to try your luck with one :) | 11:18 |
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| johnx | The place to start would probably be the diablo webkitgtk | 11:18 |
| hendry | dget http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/source/w/webkit/webkit_1.0-svn41137-8maemo1.dsc | 11:25 |
| hendry | only took me 10 minutes of searching :) | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | hendry: Talk to qwerty12_N810 . | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | hendry: He uploaded that package and did some tweaks. | 11:25 |
| hendry | http://repository.maemo.org/ is a bit old skool. A search UI would be nice. | 11:25 |
| hendry | X-Fade: thanks I'll msg him | 11:26 |
| tigert | Jaffa: now it authenticates with facebook at least | 11:26 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:26 |
| tigert | Hermes, the greek god doesnt talk much :) | 11:26 |
| tigert | oh, progressbar! | 11:26 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Maybe he's just .. modest? :) | 11:27 |
| Macer | if a woman has a right to choose what to do to her body.. then why can't i snort a kilo of cocaine? | 11:27 |
| johnx | Macer, because you didn't make it in your uterus | 11:27 |
| Macer | johnx: but the probability of dying from cocaine overdose is probably just as high as an abortion | 11:27 |
| Macer | :) | 11:27 |
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| Macer | what a one sided world we live in. i was reading up about how cocaine was sold in local stores | 11:28 |
| Macer | to children as tooth ache drops | 11:28 |
| Macer | no wonder children back in the day were so much more obedient.. they were all strung out on the magic tooth ache drops | 11:28 |
| johnx | mommy *SNIIIIIFF* mommy my teef *SNIFF* *SniFFF* hurrt | 11:28 |
| tigert | "updated 71 contacts" | 11:29 |
| tigert | schweet | 11:29 |
| johnx | tigert, rockin' | 11:29 |
| tigert | Jaffa: so what info should I look for? pics, birthdays and stuff? | 11:29 |
| Corsac | tigert: contact sync? | 11:30 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 11:30 |
| Macer | i need more drops! I NEED THEM!! (goes to plow the field for another hit of "tooth ache drops") | 11:30 |
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| tigert | Corsac: Hermes | 11:44 |
| tigert | Jaffa: neat | 11:44 |
| tigert | Jaffa: at least avatar image fetching worked | 11:44 |
| kynde | For the record, I was here earlier asking what's wrong with masquerade in n810 diablo and I finally worked it out. I was using the layer 3 independent version of connection tracking (nf_conntrack et al) which for whatever reason, just doesn't work with diablo kernel. The layer 3 dependent (now obsolete ip_conntrack et al) work just fine. | 11:45 |
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| tigert | hmm | 11:45 |
| tigert | Jaffa: what logic does it use to match addressbook people with facebook people? | 11:45 |
| kynde | Also for the record, the extras devel has iptables-nat but it's 0.2 version is busted. The earlier version would already contain necessary modules for those not interested in tinkering with a kernel themselves. | 11:45 |
| tigert | Jaffa: also, would be sweet to also *import* people who dont exist in phone but do exist in facebook and contain phonenumbers or such? | 11:46 |
| tigert | or does it do that already? | 11:46 |
| Corsac | tigert: hmhm, what's Hermes? :/ | 11:46 |
| tigert | Corsac: jaffas app | 11:46 |
| tigert | in fremantle-extras | 11:46 |
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| Corsac | yeah but I have no way to run anything fremantle yet :) | 11:47 |
| Corsac | so I still don't know what hermes does | 11:48 |
| Corsac | http://www.maemo-guru.com/2009/09/hermes-syncs-your-n900-contacts-with-twitter-and-facebook/ ha; this one? | 11:48 |
| tigert | Corsac: yeah | 11:48 |
| Corsac | ok | 11:48 |
| tigert | Jaffa: it doesnt seem to match all my facebook friends though | 11:49 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: this is an awesome idea though | 11:53 |
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| tigert | lunchtime & | 12:01 |
| Mikho | Does anybody know anything about N810 or N900 GPS chip compatibility with EGNOS? | 12:01 |
| tigert | the european gps thingy? | 12:02 |
| Corsac | european gps is galileo, and not really available atm :) | 12:03 |
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| johnx | tigert, wow, you return()ed from lunch quick! | 12:03 |
| Mikho | yes, it's a european gps thingy | 12:04 |
| Corsac | The EGNOS ground stations receive signals sent out by the US GPS satellites. | 12:04 |
| tigert | so its like WAAS in the US? | 12:04 |
| Mikho | yes | 12:05 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: It takes name from address book, applies name variants (e.g. "Michael" and "Mike") and tries to match it against Facebook & Twitter "real names". | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Birthdays aren't completely hooked up yet. I'm trying to see what useful info I could get from Facebook - it seems *an* email address is possible (a proxy email which FB provides) | 12:13 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: I'm going to add a manual mapping ability; with more heuristic guessing which you review. e.g. "Michael Von Damme" -> "Mike Dam" | 12:14 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:18 |
| Ppupnik | using a standard algo for fuzzy match Jaffa? | 12:19 |
| Captain_Picard | when is galileo going to be available | 12:19 |
| Captain_Picard | and will it offer any improvements | 12:19 |
| Captain_Picard | compared to normal gps | 12:19 |
| Ppupnik | one thing it appears to share woth gps | 12:20 |
| Ppupnik | the US govt can command it be turned-off | 12:20 |
| Ppupnik | secret agreements | 12:20 |
| Jaffa | Ppupnik: One of the edit distance ones, probably | 12:20 |
| Ppupnik | maybe outdated info | 12:20 |
| RST38h | between US govt and Satan, I hope? =) | 12:20 |
| glass__ | anyone can order anything to be done.. such agreement would imply wartime | 12:20 |
| RST38h | glass: Not necessarily | 12:21 |
| shdb | Captain_Picard: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1557147/eu-upgrades-gps-service | 12:21 |
| glass__ | and in wartime all kinds of agreements tend to get thrown out of window anyhow | 12:21 |
| Ppupnik | i suggest avoiding reliance on both | 12:21 |
| tigert | Jaffa: it doesnt seem to work for every contact | 12:21 |
| tigert | it said it updated 52 | 12:22 |
| tigert | how do i know what it updated? | 12:22 |
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| * RST38h suggests that raising the fuel costs tenfold will make consumer GPS obsolete | 12:25 | |
| Jaffa | tigert: If you run it from the command line, it outputs a log. Next version will show a contact list of updated ones | 12:26 |
| johnx | RST38h, those standalone units? or GPS as part of a cell phone? | 12:26 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Standalone of course. Not sure about part of cell phone thing, but guess they will take a hit too | 12:27 |
| tigert | ok | 12:27 |
| RST38h | johnx: (I am assuming here that people won't start walking, they will just switch to public transport) | 12:27 |
| tigert | Jaffa: why does it keep popping the notificaion N times? | 12:28 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: No idea. I know it does, but not sure why. | 12:28 |
| Jaffa | tigert: The UI is about 48 hours old ;-) | 12:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, they're way more popular as part of cellphones in Japan than in the states. think about that one. :) | 12:28 |
| frals | Jaffa: really nice app :) | 12:29 |
| RST38h | johnx: Hmm...true... =) | 12:29 |
| tigert | Jaffa: maybe it pops the notification inside the foreach loop :) | 12:29 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Shouldn't do :) | 12:29 |
| tigert | hmm | 12:30 |
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| tigert | log says it gets photo, shrinks it | 12:30 |
| tigert | but it doesnt show up | 12:30 |
| johnx | RST38h, actually, let me dig up a TV spot that's pretty funny (it's really big business, multiple navigation apps, cell carriers trying to convince users that their navi app is the best) | 12:30 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Hmm. Does it say "Modified 1 record"? | 12:31 |
| tigert | Modified 0 | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | tigert: What's the contact name? | 12:31 |
| tigert | there are several, let me see | 12:31 |
| tigert | no weird chars or such | 12:31 |
| RST38h | johnx: The address system is a mess, isn't it? | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Nothing unicodey? | 12:32 |
| johnx | RST38h, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R6GCHzPwnc | 12:32 |
| tigert | no | 12:32 |
| johnx | now that's a question of perspective, but yeah, kinda | 12:32 |
| tigert | what are the log numbers? | 12:32 |
| johnx | it's also a question of lots of options | 12:32 |
| tigert | stuff like: | 12:33 |
| tigert | 282 313 | 12:33 |
| tigert | 282 313 | 12:33 |
| tigert | 282 313 | 12:33 |
| tigert | erm | 12:33 |
| tigert | the first one increments | 12:33 |
| tigert | ah | 12:33 |
| tigert | N of N I guess | 12:33 |
| johnx | RST38h, stuff like 3 different trains routes, where each one might be faster at a certain time of day, given when the connections are leaving/arriving from intermediate stations | 12:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: Sounds like NYC | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Correct | 12:34 |
| tigert | does it detect already updated ones? | 12:35 |
| tigert | the fbook photo urls are all correct | 12:35 |
| tigert | I can load them and it shows them fine | 12:35 |
| tigert | but they dont end up in the addressbook | 12:35 |
| * tigert wonders if those should update on the fly | 12:35 | |
| Captain_Picard | does maemo 5 support msn messenger? | 12:35 |
| tigert | at least some of those did | 12:35 |
| Captain_Picard | O_O | 12:35 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, like new york in that new york's train system is a like a scale model of tokyo's | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | Captain_Picard: maybe through telepathy? | 12:35 |
| Captain_Picard | doesnt support? | 12:35 |
| Captain_Picard | :( | 12:35 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: I've had Contacts open and seen the photo update. Close Contacts & reopen to be sure? | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | Captain_Picard: OOB or able to use? :P | 12:36 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: I see some updated | 12:37 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Does the photo URL correspond to a JPEG? i.e. the MIME type isn't something weird? | 12:37 |
| Jaffa | (such as image/png ;-)) | 12:37 |
| tigert | and for them it says "Updated 1 records" | 12:37 |
| tigert | hah | 12:37 |
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| tigert | found interesting bug | 12:37 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Oh? | 12:38 |
| tigert | in contacts | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | Ah :) | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | tigert: That suggests that the Python bit has found a contact match, but when it invokes the C program to update the photo, the C app can't find any contact with the given name. | 12:38 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: for some I have duplicates | 12:39 |
| tigert | but thats not the case for all either | 12:39 |
| tigert | is there a commandline thing I could try to run by hand to see if thre is an error? | 12:39 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: /opt/hermes/bin/contact-update 'name' --photo 'file' | 12:39 |
| johnx | RST38h, try this on for size: http://www.ir.isas.jaxa.jp/~cpp/akari2009/trainmap.pdf | 12:39 |
| tigert | Jaffa: ok | 12:40 |
| tigert | "modified 0 records" | 12:42 |
| tigert | Jaffa: --photo image/jpeg file you mean | 12:42 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Ah yes. | 12:43 |
| Jaffa | tigert: If you open the contact in question, is all the name in one of the fields vs. split first/last? | 12:43 |
| tigert | gotcha | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | EBookQuery *query = e_book_query_field_test(E_CONTACT_FULL_NAME, E_BOOK_QUERY_IS, argv[1]); | 12:44 |
| tigert | Jaffa: those people do not initially have an avatar | 12:44 |
| Jaffa | Is the line of code which does the matching in contact-update | 12:44 |
| tigert | Jaffa: that is it | 12:44 |
| tigert | I set a custom one | 12:44 |
| tigert | and then the contact-update ran fine | 12:44 |
| tigert | and updated it | 12:44 |
| tigert | Jaffa: all gtalk contacts have avatars :) | 12:44 |
| tigert | but most of my phone contacts do not | 12:44 |
| Macer | i wnat my touchbook!!!! | 12:45 |
| Macer | damnit | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Indeed, and so it shouldn't try to update them unless you say "Update" rather than "Retrieve" | 12:45 |
| tigert | because they are from my N95 originally and contain just the name + phonenumber | 12:45 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: you should try to update, sure | 12:45 |
| tigert | but maybe "set"? or how the api is? | 12:45 |
| tigert | its kinda weird if it fails if avatar doesnt exist in the first place? | 12:45 |
| Macer | can an n900 get google contacts? | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | tigert: I mean the two buttons on the front. One'll not change any which have an avatar/picture already; the second will overwrite existing ones. | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | tigert: It definitely will put pictures against things which do not have a picture (the main use case). And you can unset a contact's photo by selecting the top-left blue man in the picture chooser in Contacts. | 12:46 |
| tigert | Jaffa: in my case, those contacts had no avatar, but facebook had pics for them | 12:46 |
| tigert | Jaffa: this is what happened | 12:46 |
| tigert | Jaffa: I saved an avatar by hand | 12:46 |
| tigert | tried to run the commmandline with that image | 12:47 |
| tigert | it failed | 12:47 |
| tigert | opened that contact in Contacts | 12:47 |
| tigert | set a custom avatar of a silly yellow penguin | 12:47 |
| tigert | ran the commandline again | 12:47 |
| tigert | and it worked now | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Hmm. I need that contact record (or a similar one) to see what was the initial set up | 12:47 |
| tigert | ok | 12:48 |
| * tigert wonders how to get that the easiest way | 12:49 | |
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| tigert | BEGIN:VCARD | 12:53 |
| tigert | VERSION:2.1 | 12:53 |
| tigert | UID:281 | 12:53 |
| tigert | REV:20090115T164944 | 12:53 |
| tigert | N:Foo;Bar;;; | 12:53 |
| tigert | TEL;CELL:+358400123456 | 12:53 |
| tigert | END:VCARD | 12:54 |
| tigert | 12:54 | |
| tigert | changed the name and number of course | 12:54 |
| *** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead" | 12:54 | |
| tigert | but this is what it has | 12:54 |
| tigert | hmm | 12:55 |
| Macer | hell yeah. new ncis episodes | 12:55 |
| lardman | yay, no more segfaults in my scrapers | 12:56 |
| tigert | Jaffa: after I set the avatar by hand: | 12:57 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: then it has PHOTO-entry, REV is in different format | 13:00 |
| tigert | REV:2009-10-02T09:57:19Z | 13:00 |
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| tigert | but this is via contacts export. so it could be just that too | 13:01 |
| Jaffa | tigert: What does the PHOTO entry look like? And is there a name change? | 13:01 |
| tigert | name is the same | 13:01 |
| tigert | PHOTO;TYPE=png;ENCODING=b:iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAANgAAADY....... | 13:02 |
| Jaffa | OK, thanks. I'll import a contact like that and see why it's being odd. | 13:02 |
| tigert | also | 13:02 |
| tigert | I dunno, this is vcard3.0 or 2.1 depending on how I export | 13:03 |
| tigert | there is N and FN -fields on 3.0 | 13:03 |
| tigert | but the 2.1 is the same except for the PHOTO and REV-difference format | 13:03 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: If you re-import the 2.1 card above, does contact-update then work on it? | 13:07 |
| tigert | hmm the one that didnt work originally? | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | yeah | 13:10 |
| Jaffa | I suspect it might, and the vCard hasn't captured whatever weirdness was happening | 13:10 |
| tigert | I wonder why it doesnt save birthdays | 13:11 |
| tigert | does it save those separately from photos? | 13:11 |
| tigert | since it doesnt seem to run the birthday update when it adds a photo too | 13:11 |
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| tigert | re-importing doesnt fix it | 13:15 |
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| tigert | same thing happens with birthday | 13:17 |
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| tigert | if I add a bogus birthday, it saves a new one ok | 13:17 |
| tigert | this failed one didnt have one initially | 13:17 |
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| tigert | does it get mail addresses from facebook btw? | 13:18 |
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| tigert | can you get those with facebook api? | 13:18 |
| Jaffa | tigert: It doesn't save birthdays as I've not linked them up yet | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | tigert: You can get a "proxy" email address which goes through facebook.com | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | tigert: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Users.getInfo shows what I can get | 13:20 |
| tigert | ok | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | tigert: So I'm thinking of adding website (since you can have multiple). This'll also help with resyncs for manual mapping | 13:20 |
| tigert | why would I want a proxy email? | 13:21 |
| tigert | I mean, a bunch of my friends have email addresses on their facebook profile | 13:21 |
| tigert | and it would be sweet to pull them too | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Which a facebook application can't read. | 13:21 |
| tigert | ah | 13:21 |
| tigert | probably for a valid reason in other ways | 13:22 |
| Jaffa | tigert: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.php/Proxied_Email | 13:22 |
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| Jaffa | Ah, I can't include the proxied email address anyway | 13:22 |
| tigert | suck | 13:24 |
| tigert | I guess that is good for spam prevention | 13:24 |
| tigert | but sucks for legit use | 13:24 |
| * zerojay yawns. | 13:26 | |
| tigert | Jaffa: but yeah, can you test if you can add a contact with just phone number and name? | 13:26 |
| tigert | and add a photo to it with the commandlinetool? | 13:27 |
| tigert | it works here only if I set an avatar first | 13:27 |
| tigert | same with birthday | 13:27 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: so is it possible to pull phonenumbers? | 13:28 |
| zerojay | I still haven't been able to really get Hermes to work yet. Worked for Twitter... Facebook just gave me an error about "FacebookError" being undefined though. | 13:28 |
| tigert | zerojay: update | 13:28 |
| zerojay | Oh, there's an update? Nice. | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Will do. I'll add a new contact and just set name & phone number | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Not from Facebook, unless I missed it in that Users.getInfo URL above | 13:29 |
| tigert | Jaffa: I guess they are jealous of their data stored | 13:30 |
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| zerojay | Well... trying updated Hermes... | 13:34 |
| * zerojay crosses fingers. | 13:34 | |
| tigert | Jaffa: http://brad.livejournal.com/2398409.html | 13:34 |
| tigert | :) its python! | 13:35 |
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| tigert | no wait | 13:35 |
| tigert | greasemonkey | 13:35 |
| tigert | but this could be hacked to export vcards... :) | 13:36 |
| tigert | and then use hermes to merge them? :) | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | heh | 13:37 |
| tigert | it might work ok | 13:37 |
| zerojay | Ok.. um... Hermes found 11 contacts and updated them, but my contacts app now shows everyone as offline. :) | 13:37 |
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| zerojay | Hmm.. okay... it's all back now. Never mind. | 13:37 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Can we also pull their Facebook URL and pop that into a website field for each found user? | 13:39 |
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| wazd | Phone is dead :( | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 13:42 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: Yup. And same for Twitter. | 13:44 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Then I'll use that post manual mapping to identify source data systems | 13:44 |
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| zerojay | excellent. I know it was an obvious question, but I just wanted to make sure it gets in. ;) | 13:47 |
| zerojay | So far, so good. I found I pretty much have to name my friends if I want to grab their data from Facebook and that's okay. | 13:48 |
| zerojay | Can't expect miracles. :) | 13:48 |
| * Stskeeps wouldn't mind seeing facebook chat plugin too | 13:49 | |
| zerojay | Collabora is working on that, as far as I know. | 13:49 |
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| Ppupnik | the browser is the portal to the users | 13:51 |
| lcuk | gateway drug | 13:54 |
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| tigert | woot | 13:56 |
| zerojay | tigert: How easy is it to add more fields to the Address book? | 13:56 |
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| tigert | now it updated that one contact that didnt before wokr | 13:56 |
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| tigert | zerojay: edit -> add field -> choose | 13:57 |
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| tigert | but those are predefined | 13:57 |
| zerojay | That's what I'm talking about. Adding a new predefined field type. | 13:57 |
| tigert | you mean to extend the list of predefined ones? | 13:57 |
| zerojay | Yes. | 13:57 |
| tigert | havent poked around | 13:58 |
| zerojay | An awful lot of my friends are on Xbox Live/PSN... :) | 13:58 |
| wazd | menu - actions - edit - field - add - add predefined :) | 13:58 |
| zerojay | Fail. | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: I imagine it's tricky, cos of i18n concerns | 13:59 |
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| wazd | And password confirmation :D | 13:59 |
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| zerojay | What desktop widgets do you guys feel that you need? | 14:02 |
| zerojay | Data use is already done... ip address probably done within the day. | 14:03 |
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| vesa | cpu/memory status | 14:03 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: too bad facebook terms of service are not in favor of screenscraping | 14:04 |
| wazd | Phonecall cost monitor | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Indeed | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: A nice big clock | 14:04 |
| tigert | however that addressbooker can make you vcards | 14:05 |
| tigert | which you can import directly | 14:05 |
| tigert | then you need to merge though | 14:05 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Even with a clock already in the status bar? | 14:05 |
| ccooke | Hmm, interesting: http://forum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=157795&sid=ddb214941e20a3b32a5ae4db770ccf06#157795 | 14:05 |
| * Jaffa wishes there was a "Merge All" for exact matches | 14:05 | |
| tigert | Jaffa: you could write a "merger" app? | 14:05 |
| tigert | :) | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Yeah, one taking up at least a quarter of the screen. Either nice-looking analogue or flip-clock like | 14:05 |
| Jaffa | tigert: True. The existing merge has that handy conflict resolution | 14:06 |
| zerojay | ccooke: YEah.. and Zenith is already 100% wrong. | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: yeah - I linked to that a while ago | 14:06 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Okay. | 14:06 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: sorry, missed that | 14:07 |
| tigert | Jaffa: but exact matches you could probably just script automatically | 14:07 |
| tigert | because thats what 98% of the stuff you pull from facebook will be | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: though one of the better offers - PAYG rolling 1 month contract SIM - for 400 quid - has gone | 14:08 |
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| ccooke | SpeedEvil: hmm. Not bad. | 14:08 |
| ccooke | I was trying to see if there was anything online about CPW having the n900 | 14:08 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: maybe | 14:08 |
| ccooke | that would be quite a win | 14:08 |
| ccooke | but they don't seem to do preorders. Have to wait a month or three, it seems | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | Gah. Not clear if there are Python bindings for http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/libosso-abook/OssoABookContactView.html#osso-abook-contact-view-new - that'd be a pain as it's a nice view for summarising the changes | 14:09 |
| * Jaffa needs a Python binding expert such as Andy80 ;-) | 14:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: yeah - you can basically get a few hundred minutes a month, on a 12 month contract with free internet for under the price on nokia.com, which isnt bad. | 14:10 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: ... there's still the £400 PAYG sim | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: lowest I see is 449 | 14:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ccooke: anyway - not very important for me. | 14:11 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: It's a vodaphone PAYG | 14:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ccooke: ah - they broke the form. 'all networks' doesn't show it | 14:12 |
| pupnik | 35 fps atm w/o accurate graphics | 14:13 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: huh. Did on mine. Javascript glitch? | 14:14 |
| pupnik | while running tear+xchat+ssh | 14:14 |
| ccooke | pupnik: what's wrong with the graphics? | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: maybe | 14:15 |
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| pupnik | accurate graphics is an emulator toggle - disabling speeds it up | 14:19 |
| panaggio | I'm trying to install sdk beta 2 and I'm failing hard | 14:19 |
| panaggio | http://pastebin.com/d21ed21f1 | 14:19 |
| panaggio | I've googled for hours and nothing mada me go forward | 14:19 |
| panaggio | s/mada/made | 14:20 |
| crashanddie_ | panaggio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28177 | 14:20 |
| crashanddie_ | panaggio: your google skills fail | 14:20 |
| panaggio | crashanddie_ maybe | 14:20 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I just spoke to someone about Python bindings for the address book | 14:25 |
| lardman | I'll email him back and let him know you're interested, if you are? | 14:25 |
| lardman | bbiam, need to reboot | 14:25 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: There's python-evolution which lets you manipulate EContacts (and read it). It's the Python bindings for the osso address book widgets & functions on top of Evolution I need now :) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | jaffa, the n900 push guys had something with the rolodex and contacts | 14:31 |
| lcuk | im sure they said it was system contacts | 14:31 |
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| lardman | re | 14:32 |
| Jaffa | lardman: There's python-evolution which lets you manipulate EContacts (and read it). It's the Python bindings for the osso address book widgets & functions on top of Evolution I need now :) | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Yeah, there's stuff in C - which works | 14:33 |
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| Jaffa | I could always go the GtkPlug & Socket route to embed a C widget | 14:33 |
| lcuk | im *sure* they used python | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | just a mo | 14:34 |
| lardman | ah, the code I was sent was to add vCards | 14:34 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Using_the_Easy_API | 14:34 |
| lcuk | try this for an api! | 14:34 |
| lcuk | im sure this is what they used | 14:34 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, ping | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | wb waz1 | 14:35 |
| waz1 | VDVsx: oh, heya :) | 14:35 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: heya)) | 14:35 |
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| VDVsx | hey waz1 ;) | 14:36 |
| lardman | bloody core dumps | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | that sounds .. nasty | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:37 |
| lcuk | yikes | 14:37 |
| lcuk | yeah go see a doctor | 14:37 |
| waz1 | VDVsx: Got your email, maybe you can use just simple darker background for selection | 14:37 |
| lardman | I am a doctor! | 14:37 |
| waz1 | VDVsx: since we don't have any gloss around | 14:37 |
| VDVsx | waz1, yeah I'm using it ;) | 14:37 |
| VDVsx | waz1, will send you a screenshot after lunch :) | 14:38 |
| waz1 | VDVsx: don't rush, I'm temporary unable to see it :) | 14:38 |
| lardman | lcuk: how do binaries compiled using the Diablo SDK work for you on N900? | 14:39 |
| lcuk | personally i have no issues | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | but i know some things fail badly | 14:39 |
| lardman | might be a gstreamer incompatibility | 14:40 |
| lcuk | thats feasible | 14:40 |
| lardman | will have to recompile using the right SDK | 14:40 |
| lardman | and I just rebooted to Windows to do a presentation, bad timing | 14:40 |
| VDVsx | waz1, have you been kidnapped by the army ? :P | 14:41 |
| lcuk | yeah its always the way | 14:41 |
| waz1 | VDVsx: no, by my granddad :D | 14:41 |
| VDVsx | better then ;) | 14:41 |
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| * lardman wonders why his lovely web scraping code works fine in a test harness, but not when in the app. Drat! | 14:43 | |
| waz1 | VDVsx: army has internets though :D | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: interesting in that thread 'Carphone Warehouse are trying to get me to stay with them by dangling the N900 in front of me. If it's on O2 then I'll *consider* it, but right now my PAC is burning a hole in my pocket.' | 14:45 |
| VDVsx | waz1, well, but they don't want you there for Internet surfing, I guess ;) | 14:46 |
| waz1 | VDVsx: you don't know Russian Army :D | 14:46 |
| VDVsx | waz1, true, lol | 14:47 |
| waz1 | VDVsx: personally I don't care much bout army itself, I have right skills to avoid digging holes, but I care bout leaving my mom for a year | 14:48 |
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| VDVsx | waz1, :( | 14:49 |
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| waz1 | VDVsx: but since I'm not going there after all - whatever :D | 14:49 |
| VDVsx | waz1, here you can skip army easily (now), if you're a student or have a stable job | 14:49 |
| waz1 | Vdvsx: I'm not a student anymore and I can't have stable job for now :) | 14:50 |
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| VDVsx | waz1, I heard that a very successful entrepreneur (Stskeeps) will offer you a good job :P | 14:53 |
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| VDVsx | kidding ;) | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | i wish i had the cash to hire wazd :P | 14:53 |
| Anunakin | Hi All! | 14:53 |
| Anunakin | Any have maemo 5, dev tools on Gentoo Linux? | 14:54 |
| waz1 | Stskeeps: I haven't contacted your guy ye to avoid problems for you, since I have very tricky connection | 14:54 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: he's expensive is he | 14:54 |
| lardman | won't get out of bed for less than £1k | 14:55 |
| waz1 | lardman: ueel vorg 4 chizburga :D | 14:55 |
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| lardman | is that Klingon, didn't look like Russian? | 14:55 |
| lardman | ah, transliteration | 14:55 |
| lardman | I get it now, not used to talking | 14:55 |
| lardman | :) | 14:56 |
| waz1 | Ok, leaving connection now, hope to bbl :) | 14:57 |
| lardman | cu later | 14:57 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N810: ping | 15:01 |
| panaggio | I've followed crashanddie's link, but I still get the same error http://pastebin.com/d21ed21f1 . I'm on an turion x2 64 with ubuntu 9.04 64 and installing maemo 5 sdk beta 2 | 15:02 |
| panaggio | sorry, I've followed crashanddie_'s link | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, did you see the easy api | 15:06 |
| lcuk | and does it appear to have what you need | 15:06 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: There's nothing in the Easy API that I can't do with python-evolution (and it's missing other stuff) | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: So what I'm missing now is Python code to reproduce the osso-abook widgets (e.g. scrolling contacts view with online status and thumbnail) | 15:08 |
| RST38h | Back in 1958, Ford designed models of its batmobile-like concept with lead-shielded uranium fission-plant. | 15:08 |
| lardman | can anyone spot the error in openURL() here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/web.c?revision=96&root=maemo-barcode&view=markup | 15:08 |
| lardman | the dialog refuses to close | 15:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Actually manipulating the database is (relatively) easy - and already done | 15:08 |
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| lcuk | alright, just thought that api was quite nice and simple and gave some simpler access | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: i.e. a Python version of http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API#OssoABookContactView | 15:09 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: The python-evolution API isn't really any harder. | 15:09 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 15:09 |
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| panaggio | I've got it to work myself. thanks anyway | 15:19 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: (back from lunch): That is, in fact, the post I linked to directly. I thought it was interesting :-) | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - the forum wasn't very clear | 15:20 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if anyone noticed the Nvidia(C) in the N900 manual | 15:22 | |
| Stskeeps | the what? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | what part would be nvidia? :P | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | beats me :-) | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | It's on same page as GPL offer for sauce and various other copyright notices | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: lardman: doh - https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2009-October/000973.html | 15:27 |
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| lardman | I see | 15:29 |
| lardman | not too worried now that I've moved back to C | 15:30 |
| lardman | but I am worried about that dialog, has anyone spotted an error in there? | 15:30 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Given up on Python for the UI? | 15:31 |
| vesa | anyone else having trouble connecting to repository.maemo.org? | 15:31 |
| vesa | for apt-get update in scratchbox that is | 15:31 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yeah | 15:31 |
| lardman | Jaffa: startup was slow and I need as much speed as possible to run the decoders at the same time as the camera display really | 15:32 |
| lardman | Jaffa: only took an afternoon to port back | 15:32 |
| lopz | hola ;) | 15:32 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Manual memory management pisses me off though. And I like my OO. | 15:33 |
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| X-Fade | vesa: echo "hosts: files dns" > /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf | 15:34 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yeah, keeping track of all the pointers has caused some real pain | 15:34 |
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| AndrewFBlack | just got finished making my list of Os2008 themes if I'm missing any please let me know http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=337578#post337578 | 15:36 |
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| * ShadowJK hopes for lcars&qurgh themes on n900 | 15:37 | |
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| mvz | AndrewFBlack: nice! noticed a typo, 'Screensot' | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | Automatic memory management usually causes the system to exhaust all memory | 15:38 |
| RST38h | I.e. you still get pointers, they just get leaked | 15:39 |
| AndrewFBlack | mvz, thnanks lol and its on everyone | 15:39 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Yeah yeah, whatever. | 15:39 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: well at least dialogs work in Python, I'll give it that much ;) | 15:52 |
| woglinde | hi | 15:53 |
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| lardman | hey woglinde | 15:53 |
| woglinde | jo qwerty | 15:53 |
| lardman | qwerty12: did you work out what was up with that dialog? | 15:53 |
| qwerty12 | Hiya, woglinde | 15:53 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: nope | 15:54 |
| woglinde | which dialog? | 15:54 |
| lardman | let me find the link again | 15:54 |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/web.c?revision=96&root=maemo-barcode&view=markup | 15:54 |
| lardman | openURL, right at the bottom | 15:54 |
| lardman | dialog won't close | 15:54 |
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| woglinde | the url with qwerty? | 15:55 |
| lardman | yeah, with a comment about qwerty before it | 15:55 |
| woglinde | hm | 15:56 |
| woglinde | you cannt close a openURL window? | 15:56 |
| woglinde | an | 15:56 |
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| lardman | not sure I understand, in the fn openURL() I create a dialog to ask the user if they want to open the url, but I can't get the dialog to diappear once they press a button | 15:57 |
| woglinde | ?????? | 15:57 |
| woglinde | dont get it | 15:57 |
| lardman | have a look at the code | 15:58 |
| woglinde | so if you want open it a second time it dont works | 15:58 |
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| lardman | no, just close once. gtk_widget_destroy(dialog) doesn't seem to work | 15:58 |
| woglinde | hm ah | 15:59 |
| woglinde | now I understand | 15:59 |
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| fiferboy | lardman: I think dialogs do wierd things when you try to destroy them and they have the "DESTROY_WITH_PARENT" flag set... | 15:59 |
| woglinde | lardman hm | 15:59 |
| woglinde | GTK_DIALOG_DESTROY_WITH_PARENT | 15:59 |
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| woglinde | maybe thats the problem? | 16:00 |
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| lardman | I thought that was just to ensure it does get destroyed if the app is closed | 16:00 |
| woglinde | qt is so much nicer | 16:00 |
| fiferboy | lardman: I think that is used when you need to preserve the dialogs contents while the parent is still extant | 16:01 |
| Myrtti | cheesecake is faster | 16:01 |
| lardman | fiferboy: ah, ok | 16:01 |
| woglinde | let us look into the docu | 16:01 |
| fiferboy | lardman: In that case, you would hide the dialog instead of destroying it, and when the parent is destroyed the dialog goes with it | 16:01 |
| lardman | yeah, right will try removing that one | 16:01 |
| lardman | cheers chaps | 16:01 |
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| woglinde | lardman so maybee hide it | 16:01 |
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| lardman | nah I want it gone not hidden | 16:02 |
| woglinde | why not? | 16:02 |
| woglinde | so its easier to open when you need it a second time | 16:03 |
| woglinde | only update url | 16:03 |
| woglinde | should catch so much ram | 16:03 |
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| woglinde | shouldnt | 16:03 |
| lardman | perhaps, anyway I'll try removing the flag and hopefully that will fix things | 16:04 |
| woglinde | good luck | 16:04 |
| woglinde | reboot now | 16:04 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 16:04 |
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| fiferboy | Is it considered bad form to thumbs up your own application to get it to a karma of 10? :) | 16:08 |
| lardman | lol, only if you tell everyone | 16:09 |
| fiferboy | Oops, my first mistake... | 16:09 |
| lardman | I don't know actually | 16:09 |
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| * qwerty12 will thumb down to balance it out ;) | 16:09 | |
| javispedro | you're so evil., | 16:09 |
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| javispedro | going to get pass qwerty12' filter is going to be worse than passing through the Apple Store one. | 16:10 |
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| qwerty12 | Nah, I can be bribed with ganja | 16:10 |
| javispedro | qwerty12: qwertyJobs, when are you going to reject oyur first VoIP app? ;) | 16:10 |
| RST38h | fiferboy: Ah, don't worry shoot away =) | 16:11 |
| RST38h | This reminds me though... | 16:11 |
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| Stskeeps | wb rm_you | 16:39 |
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| rm_you | Stskeeps: heyas | 17:03 |
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| aakashd | stupidfreenode | 17:03 |
| rm_you | GF was using my laptop earlier while i was asleep still, lol | 17:03 |
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| lardman | re | 17:06 |
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| aakashd | hey, would it be ok to post an invite to mozilla qa's testday on fennec 1.0 beta 4 ? | 17:11 |
| aakashd | i don't want to spam | 17:11 |
| aakashd | but i'm not sure who's the op in here | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | aakashd: Sure, why not? | 17:12 |
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| aakashd | thanks X-Fade | 17:14 |
| aakashd | mozQA is hold a testday on Fennec 1.0 Beta 4 in #testday on irc.mozilla.org ! For those interested, come over and help test the latest and greatest Fennec build! | 17:14 |
| aakashd | thanks again :) | 17:14 |
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| inz | Vittu | 17:16 |
| inz | Oops, wrong ch | 17:16 |
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| liori | hello, does anybody know if it will be possible to run usb port in gadget mode (to use the device as storage)? | 17:18 |
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| Jaffa | liori: On N900 or N8x0? | 17:19 |
| liori | n900 | 17:19 |
| liori | either | 17:19 |
| liori | well, i'm planning to buy n900... | 17:19 |
| lardman | ~lart segfaults | 17:19 |
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| Jaffa | Oh, use it as sotrage. | 17:19 |
| Myrtti | inz: :thumbsup: | 17:20 |
| Jaffa | s/sotrage/storage/ | 17:20 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Oh, use it as storage. | 17:20 |
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| Myrtti | :-D | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade | liori: Yeah, the devices show up as mass storage device. | 17:20 |
| Jaffa | liori: Both expose the internal memory and external card as USB Mass Storage when plugged in. | 17:20 |
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| Jaffa | liori: The N8x0 can also do USB host. But the N900 can't due to the complications introduced by USB charging | 17:20 |
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| liori | i'd like to export a custom image over usb | 17:20 |
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| Jaffa | liori: "image"? | 17:22 |
| liori | filesystem image | 17:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: gadget | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | liori: and "custom" to whom? | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | gadget = USB device | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Like acting like a mass-storage device | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry | 17:23 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to read backscroll | 17:23 | |
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| liori | i'd like to make a set of images to boot hosts over usb | 17:23 |
| liori | to install debian, fedora, whatever | 17:24 |
| liori | i almost managed to do that with freerunner... the only thing was that I've lost my usb cable and keep forgetting to buy a new one :-) | 17:25 |
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| liori | so, will this be possible? :-) | 17:27 |
| lardman | reading the Maemo 5 dev guide and specifically the bit about porting from maemo 4->5, it says maemo 5 has no focus. Does this apply to things like listviews too? | 17:28 |
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| Stskeeps | liori: acting as mass-storage device? sure | 17:28 |
| javispedro | lardman: treeviews have "certain" focus if in edit mode | 17:29 |
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| lardman | ah, I guess I'm thinking of "selected" | 17:29 |
| javispedro | which is something new and entirely specific to hildon afaik. | 17:29 |
| javispedro | yeah, row selection | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, anyone around with knowledge of the hildon desktop composite/non-composite mode? | 17:30 |
| lardman | not that my row selection code works very well anyway :) | 17:31 |
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| lardman | hmm, but in the forum.nokia.com docs, where do I post that? | 17:32 |
| lardman | bug | 17:32 |
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| lardman | hmm, have to join | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | lardman: bug in the documentation? | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | where, in maemo4->5? | 17:35 |
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| * Myrtti perks up her ears | 17:35 | |
| lardman | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/019c2b31-3777-49a0-9257-970d79580756/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification.html | 17:35 |
| lardman | link to "Hildon 2.2 UI Style Guide." is broken | 17:35 |
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| Myrtti | oh, right | 17:36 |
| tigert | lardman: the difference being there is no rocker key | 17:36 |
| Myrtti | I thought there was a bug or a mistake in the content | 17:36 |
| Myrtti | nevermind then | 17:36 |
| lardman | Myrtti: well no content is surely close to a mistake ;) | 17:36 |
| tigert | and no "select item with key -> press action button" | 17:36 |
| tigert | like on N810 | 17:37 |
| lardman | tigert: rocker key? | 17:37 |
| lardman | tigert: draggy thing along the edge? | 17:37 |
| tigert | the cursor arrow-key | 17:37 |
| lardman | ok | 17:37 |
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| tigert | so maemo5 ui is more like list view - select item - opens new "view" of _that_ item | 17:38 |
| tigert | with actions there | 17:38 |
| lardman | yeah I've seen that, was just wondering about listviews specifically | 17:38 |
| lardman | anyway np I'll test it this evening | 17:38 |
| tigert | so direct press ->action | 17:38 |
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| tigert | instead of navigate to -> press action | 17:39 |
| tigert | if my explanation makes sense | 17:39 |
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| lardman | yeah I get what you mean (as I just read the maemo4->5 porting guide too) | 17:39 |
| tigert | ok good | 17:39 |
| purevol | good morning...where is the best place to get supplies for my n810 | 17:39 |
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| lardman | purevol: power socket? | 17:43 |
| lardman | purevol: what sort of supplies? | 17:43 |
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| purevol | any supplies really | 17:45 |
| purevol | stylus | 17:45 |
| lardman | probably available on the Nokia website? | 17:46 |
| purevol | need a stylus cause i loaned this to my retarded brother and he lost the stylus | 17:46 |
| purevol | memory card | 17:46 |
| lardman | anywhere | 17:46 |
| purevol | i have Sd, and micro SD but no MINI | 17:46 |
| lardman | get a mini converter | 17:47 |
| lardman | buy a random card which has one with it | 17:47 |
| lardman | don't get Sandisk, they don't work, Kingston works well for me | 17:47 |
| purevol | i ride a ducati, sandisk sponsors ducati, i gott buy sandisk | 17:48 |
| purevol | plus all my sandisk data collection works on my ducati and other various electronics | 17:48 |
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| lardman | well if they sponsor you, ask them why their cards don't work | 17:49 |
| lardman | otherwise just buy something else ;) | 17:49 |
| lardman | s/cards/card adaptors | 17:49 |
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| purevol | no me, the ducati motogp and world superbike racing teams | 17:51 |
| purevol | really, their cards wont work in the n810? | 17:51 |
| lardman | the cards are fine | 17:51 |
| lardman | it's the micro->mini adaptors that people have troubles with | 17:52 |
| lardman | there's a bug on the bugtracker about it | 17:52 |
| lardman | strange really as the adaptors are just contacts afaict | 17:52 |
| lardman | but there you go | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | probably too big a voltage drop. | 17:52 |
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| lardman | yeah | 17:53 |
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| purevol | well thanks for the heads up | 17:55 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: through a 4mm piece of metal? =) | 17:55 |
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| RST38h | Or is there an actual voltage converter in the adapter? | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Not usually. | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | All of them I have dissasembled (probably 4 or 5) - were just metal | 17:56 |
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| purevol | what is the max size of the minisd will the n810 support? | 18:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think the max size they make | 18:03 |
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| purevol | i assumed there were limitations | 18:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | I know that the n800 can handle | 18:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | any capacity sd card | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | SDHC - up to 64G (IIRC) | 18:06 |
| purevol | right on | 18:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | SDXC - the signalling isn't clear | 18:06 |
| purevol | i thought it was more of an kernel os thing opposed to a hardware thing | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | so it may not have a backwards compatible mode | 18:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | SD->SDHC is pretty much a kernel thing | 18:06 |
| lardman | SDXC is different iirc | 18:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 18:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | what about n810 | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | SDXC may not be - I haven't seen any definitive statement if it'll be backwards compat | 18:06 |
| lardman | needs dedicated hw or somesuch | 18:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | which was the original question... | 18:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 18:06 |
| lardman | SDXC is backwards compat | 18:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | sdxc does not exist yet does it? | 18:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | (ive never seen one...) | 18:07 |
| lardman | hmm, I thought that was what's in the N900? | 18:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | i though it | 18:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | was a mini or a micro sd card | 18:07 |
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| lardman | ah no, that's eMMC | 18:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | (I get them confused...) | 18:07 |
| purevol | the largest mini sd i can seem to find is 8g anyhow | 18:07 |
| purevol | i have a n810, it requires a miniSD, correct? | 18:07 |
| lardman | purevol: ignore the minis themselves, get micro + adaptor, cheaper that way | 18:08 |
| lardman | yeah | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: do you have any link to sdxc being backwards compatible - I haven't seen any info | 18:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | how do you kill a program that wont seem to shut down? | 18:08 |
| lardman | sorry was thinking of eMMC, scratch my earlier comment | 18:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | on the n800 | 18:08 |
| purevol | hrm so there are micros with mini adapator | 18:09 |
| lardman | yes | 18:09 |
| purevol | but i shouldnt get a sandisk, because they dont work in the nokia? | 18:10 |
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| lardman | card is fine, adaptor not | 18:11 |
| purevol | just so we are clear - this is bad - http://cgi.ebay.com/San-Disk-Micro-SD-4GB-SDHC-TransFlash-TF-Memory-Mini_W0QQitemZ390100862756QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDigital_Camera_Memory_Cards?hash=item5ad3d2c724&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 | 18:11 |
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| lardman | probably yes | 18:12 |
| lardman | some people were saying they had sucess with no-name micro->mini adaptors from ebay though | 18:13 |
| lardman | so buy it for the card and get a no-name adaptor if that doesn't work | 18:13 |
| lardman | but I'd get a larger card myself | 18:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | any one know the pid for liqbase playground? | 18:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | im trying to kill it from command line | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | because it wont close | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | and its jammed | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I dont want to boot my tablet | 18:14 |
| lardman | ps | 18:14 |
| lardman | then "kill -9 pid_here" | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | the issue | 18:14 |
| lardman | pid changes on every run | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | I thought that was the program name | 18:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 18:14 |
| lardman | process id | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | killall liqbase | 18:14 |
| lardman | or that | 18:15 |
| lardman | :) | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | Tadthebuilder: you can find it using 'ps axfww' | 18:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | killall liqbase does not work | 18:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | because its the updated testing version | 18:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | im seeing if I can find it using ps axfww | 18:15 |
| lardman | ps -a should work too, less typingh | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | Tadthebuilder: Find the process name and use that in killall, then | 18:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 18:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats jaffa | 18:16 |
| Jaffa | lardman: but use of a symbol shift ;-) | 18:16 |
| lardman | ah | 18:16 |
| lardman | ps a then ;) | 18:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | thanks* | 18:17 |
| qwerty12 | lardman, Jaffa: Busybox doesn't listen to arguments ;) | 18:18 |
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| qwerty12 | *Busybox's ps | 18:18 |
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| lardman | boo | 18:18 |
| Jaffa | bah | 18:18 |
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| lardman | well I'm always root so ps works on its own | 18:18 |
| lardman | iirc | 18:18 |
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| lardman | I thought killall would match wildcards too? | 18:19 |
| lardman | ~lart lardman for not saving intermediate images used to create his presentation | 18:19 |
| * infobot accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets lardman feel it for not saving intermediate images used to create his presentation | 18:19 | |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 18:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | niether is actually shut it down haha | 18:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | do I need to use quotes around a hyphenated program name? | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | Tadthebuilder: killall -9 liqbase... | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | Tadthebuilder: If it's hung you may need to be more violent | 18:20 |
| lardman | battery out | 18:21 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:21 |
| lardman | or do you mean to lcuk | 18:21 |
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| Tadthebuilder | thanks Jaffa that worked | 18:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | except it was liqbase-playground | 18:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | I absolutely love liqbase though | 18:22 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, you don't want to choose a summit roommate ? we'll start moving people soon | 18:23 |
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| lardman | VDVsx: perhaps he was hoping to get lucky in the red light district? | 18:24 |
| VDVsx | lardman, lol, that's easy, he just need some money ;) | 18:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | hmmm.... | 18:25 |
| qwerty12 | VDVsx: lardman is planning to take a lot just for this purpose alone | 18:25 |
| purevol | all women are hookers, the payment method and value is all that varies | 18:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | that slightly insulting | 18:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | what if a woman is in this room... | 18:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | (not that that is likely....) | 18:26 |
| purevol | more mysoginistic than anything else | 18:26 |
| lardman | qwerty12: am also taking my wife, so I imagine the money will be consumed in hangbags, shoes & red wine | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | Tadthebuilder: There are a few | 18:26 |
| VDVsx | lardman, lol | 18:26 |
| Tadthebuilder | I dont think your wife would appreciate you going to the red light district haha | 18:27 |
| qwerty12 | lardman: hangbags? Man, you really are desperate to get some Red Light District action :( | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | Tadthebuilder: And a woman wouldn't need to be present for it to be considered offensive. | 18:27 |
| lardman | she wants to visit and see it actually | 18:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | good point | 18:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | its offensive regardless... | 18:27 |
| * Jaffa might not like Mrs Jaffa being called a whore, for example. | 18:27 | |
| Tadthebuilder | I would not like my fiance | 18:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | being called a whore either | 18:27 |
| Tadthebuilder | gah | 18:27 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I wish adding money to paypal was immediate | 18:28 |
| lardman | I imagine Mrs Jaffa would have something to say about it too | 18:28 |
| lardman | anyway, it is a tourist attraction, and I mean for people to go and gawp rather than using the facilities | 18:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah makes sense | 18:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | what about the famous amsterdam coffee shops | 18:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | I heard they have killer espresso | 18:29 |
| lardman | I don't smoke, nor does my wife | 18:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | well thats good | 18:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | me niether. | 18:30 |
| lardman | yeah, but you choke while drinking it | 18:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | I have a feeling the places smell pretty bad | 18:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | I cannot stand the smell of weed | 18:30 |
| Tadthebuilder | to me it smells like a skunk set on fire. | 18:30 |
| lardman | lol | 18:31 |
| lardman | we don't have skunks over here | 18:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh... | 18:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 18:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | that makes my description meaningless | 18:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 18:31 |
| lardman | I understand, don;'t worry | 18:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | unless | 18:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | you flip my example | 18:31 |
| qwerty12 | Dunno, lardman, that day at the BFI, your presence made me think differently... | 18:31 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 18:31 |
| lardman | qwerty12: you decided to take up drinking rather than smoking? | 18:32 |
| lardman | qwerty12: I had been at a lecture all day, was in serious need of alcohol | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | heh | 18:32 |
| Tadthebuilder | I think most alcohol smells bad too... | 18:33 |
| lardman | yeah, just hold your nose for the first few mouthfuls ;) | 18:33 |
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| Tadthebuilder | haha | 18:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | I do want to share a bottle of win | 18:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | e | 18:33 |
| purevol | lardman: you and your wife should EAT some baked goods..smoking sucks | 18:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | with my wife on our honeymoon... | 18:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | any suggestions? | 18:33 |
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| lardman | purevol: nah, I don't do drugs other than alcohol and caffeine | 18:34 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman is a good diabetic | 18:34 |
| lardman | Tadthebuilder: God knows, do neither of you drink? | 18:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | currently no | 18:34 |
| lardman | qwerty12: oh yeah, I shoot up of course | 18:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 18:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | and even when we start | 18:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | only in moderation | 18:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | not for the purpose of getting drunk | 18:35 |
| lardman | Tadthebuilder: I'm not an expert | 18:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 18:35 |
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| lardman | skip expensive Australian though as it's probably pretty robust, high alcohol & tannin, which might not taste too great if you're not used to it | 18:36 |
| lardman | in fact all the wine I drank over there was pretty robust | 18:36 |
| lardman | and I only tend to drink Australian, so not much help I'm afraid | 18:36 |
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| lardman | Tadthebuilder: champage of course! | 18:37 |
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| lardman | I like Lanson myself, but my wife likes Heidsieck, so who knows :) | 18:39 |
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| Tadthebuilder | haha | 18:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh okay | 18:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | I need something | 18:39 |
| lardman | we did a lot of tasting while arranging our wedding reception, it's not that I drink champagne every evening | 18:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | that I can find in the US | 18:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 18:40 |
| lardman | you should be able to find champagne over there, the Californian reds are also decent enough if you pay enough | 18:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | not that is made in us | 18:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | but can be found in stores | 18:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | I know I can find champagne | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | do they have wine review sites | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | like the do for computer stuff | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | and electronics | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe an open source wine | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | Wine is not an emulator. Of course not its a drink | 18:41 |
| lardman | yeah they do, but you have to take things like that with a pinch of salt as they are subjective opinions | 18:41 |
| Tadthebuilder | true | 18:42 |
| lardman | see if a local bottle shop is doing a wine tasting and go along | 18:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | that might be a good idea | 18:42 |
| lardman | or you can (here at least) do wine tasting nights for not too much money | 18:42 |
| lardman | quite fun | 18:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | ill be in charleston south carolina. Its a pretty big city so I can probably find something | 18:42 |
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| lardman | hmm, Friday evening, ghost town here | 18:43 |
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| Tadthebuilder | 16 days.... | 18:44 |
| lardman | oh, the stress is just starting for your fiancee then | 18:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 18:44 |
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| Tadthebuilder | its pretty bad | 18:44 |
| lardman | worrying about hair and this and that, etc | 18:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im also five hours away from her | 18:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | I got a job five hours away, she is planning the wedding and she will be moving down after the wedding | 18:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I cannot be much help | 18:46 |
| lardman | good luck! | 18:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I have a problem with the structure of talk.maemo.org | 18:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | I do not think their should be | 18:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | a category called talk | 18:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | its confusing | 18:47 |
| Rick__ | hey, sorry a noob question: i want to open up this in xchat. anyone know the server name i should be using? | 18:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | freenode | 18:47 |
| lardman | irc.freenode.net | 18:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait | 18:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay | 18:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | i was close | 18:47 |
| Rick__ | freenode.net? thts it? | 18:47 |
| lardman | you might want the irc. on the front too | 18:47 |
| Rick__ | thanks appreciate it | 18:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | like it just looks funny to say maemo.org-talk-talk-general | 18:48 |
| lardman | say TMO | 18:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | maybe I dont like abreviations | 18:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | jk | 18:50 |
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| coldboot | This just occurred to me. | 18:51 |
| coldboot | I looked at the map, and Guantanamo Bay is actually part of Cuba's mainland. | 18:51 |
| coldboot | How does the US have a naval base that's on Cuba's land? | 18:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | um yeah | 18:51 |
| coldboot | I thought it was a nearby island or something. | 18:51 |
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| lardman | coldboot: part of the post-missle-crisis deal wasn't it? | 18:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | look at the size, population, and money of both nations | 18:51 |
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| Tadthebuilder | castro does not like it but he cannot really stop it... | 18:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | though | 18:51 |
| coldboot | lardman: I read that the base has been there for a century. | 18:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | its horrible what is happening there | 18:52 |
| coldboot | Definitely. | 18:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah its been there since before castro took over | 18:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | and we never gave it up | 18:52 |
| coldboot | ah | 18:52 |
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| lardman | ah ok | 18:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | its also horrible what castro has done to his people... | 18:52 |
| coldboot | Yep. | 18:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | I was recently looking at the article on wikipedia | 18:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | about Hitler | 18:53 |
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| Tadthebuilder | and in the discussion page they were discussing whether it was pov to talk about Hitlers actions as atrocities | 18:53 |
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| lardman | lol, is that Godwin's law that has just been proved once again? | 18:54 |
| user__ | does anyone know if there is a bit torrent dl program for maemo? | 18:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | Transmission exists | 18:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | check the download | 18:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | page at maemo.org | 18:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | and search for bittorrent | 18:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | it should pop up | 18:55 |
| user__ | thanks ill look it up. easy to use? | 18:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | its not difficult | 18:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | just download the .torrent | 18:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | and open it | 18:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 18:55 |
| user__ | ah from trackers | 18:55 |
| Tadthebuilder | uh yeah, is there any other way to use bittorrent? | 18:55 |
| user__ | well on my pc it auto starts a program based on file associaion. i guess i cant do that on my n810 | 18:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 18:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | you should be able to do that too I think | 18:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | but its essentially the same thing | 18:57 |
| user__ | hmmmm | 18:57 |
| AndrewFBlack | any used new Theme Maker for fremantle yet stopping at 1% | 18:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | still need access to the tracker | 18:57 |
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| Tadthebuilder | to download the file | 18:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | Im not sure if automatically catches the association or not | 18:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | but its not difficult to just open the torrent with it | 18:57 |
| user__ | yeah. but one more step. nvm, sounds great. thanks bro | 18:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | welcome | 18:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | hey for the first time i helped someone else for a change | 18:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | I feel good about myself | 18:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | I just hope he is downloading legal files | 18:58 |
| user__ | just got the n810 and trying to see what it can do as it will be my only computer for two weeks | 18:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh wow | 18:59 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I dont think I could handle an n8x0 as my only comp | 19:00 |
| user__ | laptop is being repaired | 19:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | I need my crappy outdated desktop | 19:00 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders only having two working computers, and shudders. | 19:00 | |
| user__ | new fan in lenovo = 125 fukk :( | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ebay++ | 19:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | if the n800 counts i have 3 | 19:00 |
| user__ | anyway off to download old dr who episodes :) | 19:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | but between my two non tablet computers I have a shared 1 gig of ram and 4.1 gig processor | 19:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | hah | 19:01 |
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| Tadthebuilder | (meaning 512 megs of ram per machine and a 3 gig process on one, and like a 1.5 gig processor in the other...) | 19:02 |
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| lardman | no idea how much RAM I have | 19:03 |
| lardman | Windows certainly can't use it all anyway | 19:04 |
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| Tadthebuilder | heh | 19:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | well | 19:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | I tend to browse the internet with an average of 15 tabs open...so yeah i have problems | 19:05 |
| lardman | I have problems with whatevery I have too | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | 40 tabs with 128M works just fine on FF1.4 | 19:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | 5 | 19:06 |
| lardman | especially when coding under Ubuntu with millions of ff windows open | 19:06 |
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| lardman | FF is a memory hog though | 19:07 |
| lardman | or seems that way | 19:07 |
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| Tadthebuilder | did they ever fix the memory leak in ff? | 19:10 |
| lardman | right, am off, bbl | 19:10 |
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| mfinkle | is there a convention for getting the version of maemo an app is running on? | 19:12 |
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| mfinkle | like in Firefox, should we add "Maemo 5" to the UA string | 19:12 |
| mfinkle | ? | 19:12 |
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| woglinde | re | 19:17 |
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| Tadthebuilder | you know what be an awesome app? Is something like Rapier, or FBreader or both where one could draw directly on the screen | 19:29 |
| Tadthebuilder | and save it... | 19:29 |
| woglinde | its already there | 19:29 |
| woglinde | ask lcuk | 19:29 |
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| woglinde | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/liqbase/ | 19:31 |
| RST38h | moo all | 19:34 |
| woglinde | moo | 19:34 |
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| purevol | moo | 19:34 |
| lardman | re | 19:34 |
| woglinde | jo lardman | 19:36 |
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| lardman | hey woglinde | 19:36 |
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| Tadthebuilder | well | 19:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | liqbase | 19:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | is not quite there let | 19:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | yet* | 19:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | he is working on it though | 19:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I love it!!!! | 19:39 |
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| Macer | damn :) | 19:44 |
| Macer | guess we didn't get the olympics | 19:45 |
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| woglinde | macer hm which city? | 19:46 |
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| lardman | chicago? | 19:46 |
| woglinde | no chance | 19:46 |
| lardman | apparently they don't want it anyway | 19:46 |
| woglinde | madrid will make the race because of samaranch | 19:46 |
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| Tadthebuilder | even after obama begged? | 19:48 |
| mfinkle | "uname -r" returns "2.6.28-maemo2" | 19:49 |
| mfinkle | on n900, I guess we could use that | 19:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, newest on top. O_o | 19:51 |
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| woglinde | Tadthebuilder even then | 19:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | chicago a bit of a dirty city anyway... | 19:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | is* | 19:53 |
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| _berto_ | rio won | 19:57 |
| lardman | Tadthebuilder: I like Chicago | 19:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | so do I | 19:58 |
| lardman | was quite nice when I was there a year ago or thereabouts | 19:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | Its just a littledirty | 19:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 19:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 19:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | all Large Cities have their dirty part | 19:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | s | 19:58 |
| lardman | well London is really dirty in comparison, and it's there sometime soon | 19:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | Did you hear any Blue's while you were there? | 19:58 |
| lardman | yeah, went to a club | 19:59 |
| lardman | supposed to be famous | 19:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | Was it Buddy Guys Legends blues club? | 19:59 |
| wazd | Looks like my display joined my phone in heavens | 19:59 |
| lardman | Tadthebuilder: just trying to find some photos to see if I recog it | 19:59 |
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| lardman | God knows, had two rooms and the crowd had to run between the two for the next set | 20:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | that is a bit odd | 20:02 |
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| Tadthebuilder | http://www.chicagoarchitecture.info/CAI/Images/200805/BuddyGuysLegends-Oct08-002a.jpg | 20:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | did it look like that haha | 20:03 |
| lardman | was quite cool, probably have the stub somewhere, will have to look for it | 20:03 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I heard buddy guy himself play once | 20:03 |
| lardman | no idea, was dark | 20:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | he is like 70 years old | 20:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | and he played with his teeth | 20:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | had more energy that to be expected from a man his age | 20:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | it was awesome | 20:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | Also indie alt-country rock band called Wilco is from Chicago awesome band | 20:04 |
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| lardman | dunno, will have to work out which it was when I have some time | 20:05 |
| lardman | sounds good though | 20:06 |
| lardman | hmm, lack of GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW() causes X Window System error. | 20:07 |
| lardman | I thought it was just a cast? | 20:07 |
| woglinde | diner now | 20:07 |
| woglinde | till later | 20:07 |
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| lardman | woglinde: guten appetit | 20:09 |
| lardman | s/a/A | 20:09 |
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| Tadthebuilder | you know what stinks | 20:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | losing your real estates agents phone number... | 20:09 |
| lardman | Fremantle SDK doesn't recognise GDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW() | 20:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats disappointing | 20:10 |
| lardman | esp as it won't run on N8x0 without using it, yeah | 20:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah yeah. | 20:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | (im only pretending to know what your talking about) | 20:11 |
| lardman | don't worry, was for the wider audience | 20:11 |
| lardman | there are 353 of us in here | 20:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | true | 20:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | wIT | 20:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait | 20:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | why would you want to | 20:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | run the software development on your other tablet... | 20:12 |
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| lardman | what do you mean? | 20:13 |
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| Tadthebuilder | well | 20:13 |
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| Tadthebuilder | your saying you want to install the development kit for the n900 | 20:14 |
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| Tadthebuilder | on your n800 or n810 | 20:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | this does not seem like a very efficient method of development | 20:14 |
| Tadthebuilder | without a fullsize keyboard and such | 20:14 |
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| Tadthebuilder | or am I mis understanding what you want to do | 20:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can we get the telepathy packages to call services by their proper names or would that be a copyright issue? | 20:14 |
| lardman | Tadthebuilder: am building in sb and testing on device over ssh/sftp | 20:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 20:15 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: are they available for MSN yet? | 20:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, is MSN in Haze? | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think so. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | But not sure. | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let me check. | 20:16 |
| lardman | hmm, which repo? | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Extras devel, I think. | 20:16 |
| lardman | cool | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which was having some trouble yesterday. | 20:16 |
| lardman | need to update still though | 20:16 |
| lardman | drat, segfault again | 20:17 |
| lardman | ~lart webscraping code | 20:17 |
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| Tadthebuilder | okay...if you have a paypal account but no money in paypal is it possible to donate money to someone through paypal just using a credit card? | 20:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | (this pertains to a community memeber) | 20:19 |
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| penguinbait | yes it should be tad | 20:19 |
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| penguinbait | if you account has a card on it, it will come from there if the funds are not available in the paypal account | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | How the hell do I use the package interface? | 20:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | oh...okay...darn it | 20:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. | 20:20 |
| penguinbait | you need to add the card to the paypal account | 20:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | because I am trying to transfer money from a bank acount which takes 3-6 days | 20:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | that other way sounds better | 20:21 |
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| penguinbait | if you have a debt/credit card just add it to the paypal account | 20:21 |
| Tadthebuilder | gotya | 20:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | i already have one | 20:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | just did not know it would automatically do that | 20:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I donated him 3 pounds | 20:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | cause that is all i had in my paypal account | 20:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | and was going to give him more once it transfered in | 20:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | this will work better | 20:22 |
| lardman | ah I give up on web scraping | 20:23 |
| lardman | for the time being | 20:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, so, say I find a bug in a package up for promotion. | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the procedure? | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, ping? | 20:24 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: pong | 20:24 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: no idea, check the backlog | 20:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, found a bug in countdown-home. | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: shoot | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, it's weird about which item it decides to show you when you tap on them to edit. | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | Do you have it sorted by date? | 20:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 20:25 |
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| fiferboy | I'll check it out | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, so, I added 3 items. | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo Summit with a starting date of next week, Test with a default starting time, and Test2 with a default starting time. | 20:26 |
| fiferboy | Okay | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | That gives me a date-sorted list of: Test, Test2 and Maemo Summit. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tapping Test to edit it bring up the Maemo Summit item. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tapping Test2 brings up Test. | 20:27 |
| lardman | anyone know where uGDK_WINDOW_XWINDOW is defined? | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | and tapping Maemo Summit brings up Test2. | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | So I guess the edit sorting is by added instead of date. | 20:27 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Gotcha. I must not be mapping the reordered events properly when clicking | 20:27 |
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| qwerty12 | lardman: gdk/gdkx.h | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, otherwise I'm ready to promote. | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, you want me to file a bug? | 20:28 |
| lardman | qwerty12: you;'re a star | 20:28 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I can fix that pretty quick, I thikn | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 20:28 |
| fiferboy | But getting enough karma to promote again will take a while | 20:28 |
| lardman | hmm, linker error though | 20:28 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Yep, I can reproduce | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can we sort the packages by section? | 20:29 |
| lardman | balls, have to go | 20:29 |
| lardman | bbl | 20:29 |
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| Tadthebuilder | who ported INES? | 20:32 |
| qwerty12 | The same person who wrote it ;) | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the creator. ;) | 20:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah | 20:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | is he ever in here> | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, <_< I was tapping all over the place trying to get the eyes to move. | 20:33 |
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| Tadthebuilder | it really bothers me that the hardware back button exits the program... | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, he's here most of the time, actually. | 20:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | I hit on accident all the time | 20:33 |
| Tadthebuilder | and was wondering if their is a way to turn that off | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: The Eyes Widget? If so, you wanna talk to mikkov_ :p | 20:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, you're more convenient, though. :P | 20:34 |
| qwerty12 | I also have zilch to do with it :p | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I know. | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | But you can laugh at me being stupid. | 20:35 |
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| qwerty12 | Nah, I could never do that (in your face, anyway...) | 20:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 20:35 |
| * GeneralAntilles wants the hearts back on maemo.org. :( | 20:36 | |
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| RST38h | Same here | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | robotfindskitten is disturbing in that regard | 20:37 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: What? Robot beastilty is common | 20:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | RST38H: is there a way to turn of the exiting program when hitting back button in ines? | 20:38 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Problem solved ;) | 20:43 |
| fiferboy | Thanks for pointing that one out | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, so, re-up to Extras-devel, you promote to Testing then people vote? | 20:44 |
| fiferboy | Yup :( | 20:44 |
| fiferboy | I was hoping to be in extras before the summit | 20:44 |
| javispedro | why is TMO always down when I want to flame? | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, harass people to vote. ;) | 20:45 |
| fiferboy | I've been trying, but I am not a good harasser :| | 20:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | ive never seen tmo go down... | 20:45 |
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| javispedro | hm. | 20:45 |
| javispedro | maybe its a trojan on my computer than senses my trolling desires | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Tadthebuilder: Sorry? | 20:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, it's down all of the time. | 20:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, the one thing that bothers me is having widgets automatically add themselves to the desktop. | 20:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | RST28h: In Ines I have a tendency to hit the back button (hardware) on accident. Is there a way to make it so that button will not exit the program? | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I guess most people can't figure out how to add them otherwise. | 20:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | (Its not down right now...) | 20:46 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: That is the default behaviour when you install a new applet | 20:47 |
| wiretapped | I just chatted with a nokia rep on nokiausa.com who tells me that the N900 will definitely NOT be subsidized by any carriers | 20:47 |
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| wiretapped | "It will only be sold as an unlocked phone" | 20:47 |
| fiferboy | Probably to solve problems like "I installed applet X, but it never showed up! It's borken!!" | 20:47 |
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| * wiretapped didn't know that was confirmed | 20:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, which is clearly a lie. | 20:47 |
| wiretapped | link? | 20:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since some European carriers are subsidizing it. | 20:47 |
| wiretapped | i've still got the window open | 20:47 |
| wiretapped | ah | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now, as for USA. . . . | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who knows. | 20:48 |
| wiretapped | ok, I specifically told him I'm in the USA | 20:48 |
| purevol | is diablo the latest and greatest version of maemo? | 20:48 |
| wiretapped | and he's on nokiausa.com | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | But sales reps get things wrong all of the time | 20:48 |
| wiretapped | yeah | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | and certainly aren't authorized to talk about unannounced plans even if they did know about them | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Tadthe: No. | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, I wouldn't take it as gospel. | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: not quite | 20:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | RST38h: kk thanks. Awesome emulator by the way. Ill just have to be careful, and save every few seconds. | 20:49 |
| RST38h | Tadthe: Other than enabling Famicom keyboard I guess, but you will not be doing that | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: that's a bit misleading | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, which part, exactly? | 20:49 |
| purevol | is 5.2008.43-7 the best version of maemo? | 20:49 |
| wiretapped | yeah. I'm tempted to preorder one, but still holding out hope for some subsidy handcuffs | 20:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | RST38h: or use the onscreen directional pad rather that the hardware one....either way. But thanks for answering my question, and for making the emu. | 20:49 |
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| RST38h | General: We should really have user/emulation category =) | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: some secondary market mobile phone shops are offering the phone along with their normal phone contracts, and applying some of their cut that they get from selling a contract to subsidising the phone. | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: this is not the same as it being a 'supported' phone that you'd purchase from vodafone.co.uk - for example. | 20:50 |
| RST38h | Tad: N800? | 20:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I'm not familiar with how the European cellular market works, apologies. | 20:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | RST38h: yeah | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes, we can keep decreasing the granularity, but it really doesn't help anybody in the end. ;) | 20:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | RST38h: the back button is right below the directional pad. so when I hit down I hit the back button from time to time as well | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, how long from upload to karma voting? | 20:52 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: The build process takes about 20 minutes, it is usually an hour or more until the package is imported into extras-devel, then another hour+ until it is promoted to extras-testing | 20:53 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Probably a minimum of three hours | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Tadthe: Yea, I guessed | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: it's somewhat byzantine. But basically - the carriers have almost no control over what shops with no affiliation with them sell connected to a given contract. Phones sold directly through the carrier will usually have customisation, or be slightly cheaper. | 20:55 |
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| wiretapped | "With the Maemo browser, you can view hypertext markup language (HTML) web pages on the internet." | 21:00 |
| wiretapped | "You can also view web pages that are designed specifically for mobile devices. These pages use extensible hypertext markup language (XHTML)." | 21:00 |
| wiretapped | lol | 21:00 |
| Tadthebuilder | from the manual | 21:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | i thought that was a little odd | 21:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | it should just say | 21:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | you can go to websites | 21:01 |
| Tadthebuilder | :) | 21:01 |
| * AndrewFBlack slaps the extras-assistant around a bit | 21:01 | |
| Tadthebuilder | actually the n900 manual | 21:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | is hilarious | 21:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | AndrewfBlack: Your new theme looks awesome, ive never used any other themes that the default ones, but im gonna check that out | 21:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | Tadthebuilder, thanks I'm working on getting it in extras-devel as well right now but extras-assistant doesn't like me | 21:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | which would explain why you slapped him | 21:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | him/her/it since im not sure what your talking about | 21:05 |
| AndrewFBlack | part of maemo.org that lets people upload packages it keeps logign me out half way though the process | 21:05 |
| coldboot | On an n810 device, what kind of storage is /var mounted on, and what kind of storage is /media/mmc2 mounted on? I've noticed that writing to /media/mmc2 is way slower than writing to /var... | 21:06 |
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| Tadthebuilder | ah so its an it | 21:09 |
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| AndrewFBlack | yep its an i | 21:10 |
| AndrewFBlack | it | 21:10 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, /media/mmc2 is an integrated "sd card" | 21:11 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, /var is on the root file system, IIRC | 21:11 |
| AndrewFBlack | took 25 minutes and over 100 tried finally took it | 21:11 |
| crashanddie | coldboot, root file system is quicker, integrated card is bigger | 21:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | sweet so a in a few minutes I should be able to find it on extra-devel? | 21:14 |
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| Tadthebuilder | There exists no valid reason for software to be closed source. So, no. | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | Root filsystem keeps its entire directory tree in ram, that speeds up | 21:15 |
| Tadthebuilder | - Luke Jr | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | And it's smarter with small writes, atleast as long as it isnt too full | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | Compression helps too | 21:15 |
| ShadowJK | The /media/mmc should be faster for big files really | 21:16 |
| RST38h | http://www.promotinglinux.com/truth/ | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Yessss | 21:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | what about someone eating dinner? | 21:18 |
| Tadthebuilder | thats a valid reason | 21:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | for closed source software | 21:19 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Moved to the autobuilder queue at 2:20 EST | 21:20 |
| coldboot | crashanddie: Do you know what kind of hardware the integrated card is? | 21:20 |
| AndrewFBlack | Tadthebuilder, takes about an hour | 21:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay thanks | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | Tadthebuilder: yeah, food on the table is a good argument | 21:22 |
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| Tadthebuilder | I just saw that argument happening on tmo | 21:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | and I dont understand why someone would think that everything has to be oss | 21:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | I love oss, Im glad for the developers who do it of their own time, but that does not make other things evil, or wrong, or mean that everything has to be that way. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, wish it were faster. :\ | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, can we make that every half hour? :P | 21:24 |
| coldboot | It seems writes to the integrated card are 2.8 times faster than writes to the sd card. | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | coldboot, it's an eMMC of some sort. | 21:25 |
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| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I'm not sure exactly how often the batches run, but those numbers are my impressions from all the packages I have uploaded in the last week | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once an hour sounds right. | 21:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, packages with >10 karma are just waiting on maintainer action, right? | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: It has been three hours since the build succeeded on personal-gprs-mon, and it still hasn't imported to extras-devel :$ | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Yes, a lovely "Promote package to Extras" button should appear when karma >= 10 | 21:28 |
| gcobb | GeneralAntilles: packages have to have >10 karma and at least 10 days in extras-testing | 21:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, welcome gcobb. Nice to see you around these parts. ;) | 21:29 |
| purevol | the sd car process would be managed by the omap processor, so that speed at which data is written is tied back to the kernel architecture | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and belated congratulations. :) | 21:29 |
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| gcobb | GeneralAntilles: thanks. I have been lurking a bit but hard to find time to contribute | 21:30 |
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| fiferboy | gcobb: I think the quarentine period is not yet in place. Is it being enforced? | 21:31 |
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| gcobb | fiferboy: I'm not certain but I thought it was enabled in the last couple of days | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | Ah. I think it was three or four days ago that I asked X-Fade about it. It could be on now. | 21:32 |
| fiferboy | In which case I am sunk getting anything into extras before summit :( | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 21:33 |
| * GeneralAntilles sees fiferboy's thread. ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32386 | 21:33 | |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: :) | 21:33 |
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| purevol | i have a pretty serous question | 21:34 |
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| purevol | OMAP arch was dropped from the linux kernel correct? | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | no, merged afaik | 21:36 |
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| ShadowJK | and if it wasn't merged, well, then nothing changed? | 21:38 |
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| fiferboy | I wonder if the extras-devel imported is running. It took just under an hour last time, and it has been over 3 hours this time... | 21:42 |
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| pupnik_ | i am missing updates from -devel | 21:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | There are so many libs in user/* | 21:47 |
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| AndrewFBlack | don't you hate it when you upload something to extras-devel then then you find a bug like 5 minutes later | 21:47 |
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| Stskeeps | thats why we have home: repos in mer :P | 21:49 |
| RST38h | upload a new version | 21:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Evening, St. lbt | 21:49 |
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| Tadthebuilder | after seeing a screen shot of fennec on the n900 it makes me want a fennec fox | 21:49 |
| RST38h | what would you do with it? | 21:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | keep it as a pet | 21:50 |
| Tadthebuilder | a quick google indicates that they are litter trainable | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Cross-breed it with the Thunderbird bird? | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, they're also about as smelly as they come | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, and wild animals. ;) | 21:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | aww | 21:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | but they are so cute | 21:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | (image search :)) | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: that's easy to fix though. | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: noseplugs | 21:51 |
| Tadthebuilder | or you could bathe it regularly | 21:51 |
| RST38h | not really | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | You can possibly burn out the scent glands. | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Poor fennec though... | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | That's done with some animals. | 21:52 |
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| Tadthebuilder | You can remove scent glands from a skunk | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Or surgically remove them | 21:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | they are also litter trainable | 21:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | but more difficult | 21:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | its less painful than declawing a cat from what I understand | 21:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | (why would anyone want a skunk for a pet though...) | 21:52 |
| AndrewFBlack | scratch that no bugs in new theme just some problems since I didn't reboot after install | 21:53 |
| * rmt hrmphs .. why did I think that the Maemo Summit didn't have limited registrations? | 21:53 | |
| Stskeeps | bought tickets already? | 21:53 |
| rmt | Nope. | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | good :P | 21:54 |
| rmt | I'm just in Berlin, and would've stayed with friends in Den Haag. | 21:55 |
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| rmt | But hey - maybe I'll be eligible for discounts on Nokia products soon.. went for a job interview with them in Berlin yesterday. | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | woo, congrats :) | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Do staff get discounts? | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | And good luck | 21:57 |
| rmt | It went quite well, I think. Solutions Architect / Technology Evangelist. | 21:57 |
| rmt | aka helping internal customers to do things the smart way, even if they resist. ;) | 21:58 |
| woglinde | re | 21:58 |
| RST38h | are enemas involved? | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | rmt: Do you have ninjas under your control? | 21:59 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Package has imported to extras-devel and I have promoted | 21:59 |
| rmt | It was interesting .. got grilled with Linux, networking, & storage Qs for an hour straight. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | and coding tests on top? :P | 22:00 |
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| rmt | Just a few scripting Qs .. regex's, perl/python stuff.. | 22:00 |
| rmt | And shell scripting of course. :-) | 22:01 |
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| rmt | My last contract with Shell - I had a 20 minute non-technical phone conversation and they said, "Can you be here on Monday?" .. the manager tried that twice, but the second guy (while smart) wasn't really a good fit for an office environment. | 22:02 |
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| rmt | 3 months of us holding our noses as we walked down the hallway. It was a medical condition, but still - the value of in-person interviews. :-P | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 22:03 |
| Myrtti | *snifff* | 22:04 |
| * RST38h moos at Myrtti | 22:04 | |
| Myrtti | atleast I smell of roses and kittens and candy floss | 22:04 |
| * Myrtti baa-aas at RST38h | 22:04 | |
| Stskeeps | there is a tendancy of dead cheese smell and some types of oss developers that go together.. | 22:05 |
| rmt | Hehe. | 22:05 |
| Robot101 | :S | 22:05 |
| rmt | I'm quite often surprised when I find out a hard-core geek I know is married. | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | i am surprised i am married. :P | 22:06 |
| * rmt grins. | 22:06 | |
| woglinde | I am | 22:07 |
| woglinde | but maybee I am not hardcore | 22:07 |
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| * SpeedEvil has yet to lure someone into his bat-cave. | 22:07 | |
| Myrtti | what's a hardcore geek anyway | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure. | 22:08 |
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| Tadthebuilder | with the commonplace of computers today | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | But I'm fairly sure that if I've seriously thought of replacing my microwave oven controller with a linux system, I count. | 22:08 |
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| Tadthebuilder | there are a good number of women geeks too | 22:08 |
| Myrtti | Tadthebuilder: ORLY?! | 22:08 |
| Myrtti | well shiver me timbers! | 22:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 22:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | you can find them | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | who would've known! | 22:09 |
| * Myrtti goes and finds | 22:09 | |
| Myrtti | wohey! | 22:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | now im not a geek | 22:09 |
| derf | I don't think Myrtti went very far. | 22:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | so I dont have that problem | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | derf: how did you know?!?! | 22:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | your name | 22:09 |
| derf | I'm psychic. | 22:09 |
| Myrtti | magic! | 22:09 |
| rmt | Myrtti: I guess I mean the stereotypical glasses-wearing socially-inept type, who just rewrote the company's $5m software solution over the weekend in perl because the vendor took too long fixing a bug. :) | 22:10 |
| Myrtti | sounds like me alright | 22:10 |
| Myrtti | though it took me a bit more than a weekend, and I've used bash, sed and awk. | 22:11 |
| * rmt chuckles. | 22:11 | |
| Myrtti | and it's not a bug, it's a shortcoming. | 22:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | so are some of you admitting to being like Roy and Moss from IT Crowd | 22:11 |
| Myrtti | also with a touch of grep here and there | 22:11 |
| gcobb | I didn't think there was anyone else left who would rather use awk than perl! | 22:11 |
| * SpeedEvil loves awk. | 22:12 | |
| derf | Are you crazy? | 22:12 |
| derf | awk is gr8. | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I have done realtime DSP in awk. | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | gcobb: I hate awk, but while I use it, I can lull myself into feeling of not being able to code anything | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | yay awk | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | and as a matter of fact, I can't. | 22:12 |
| Myrtti | yay. | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | sox |hexdump|awk -> realtime mileper-gallon display of my car reading from a GPS and a soundcard hooked to an injector | 22:13 |
| * lcuk replaces Myrtti with a very long complicated shell script | 22:13 | |
| Myrtti | lcuk: several shell scripts, dear. | 22:13 |
| Myrtti | I'm very complicated person | 22:13 |
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| * lcuk nods | 22:13 | |
| lcuk | i also see you lost some of your powers - tracy goes to the hairdressers and has 1/2mm cut off | 22:14 |
| lcuk | you look like you had loads | 22:14 |
| Myrtti | yeah, they took about 15cm off I think | 22:15 |
| Myrtti | two years worth | 22:15 |
| Myrtti | feels really weird | 22:15 |
| lcuk | o_O i bet it does | 22:15 |
| lcuk | how will duncan climb up to your room? | 22:15 |
| Myrtti | *chuckle* | 22:16 |
| lcuk | hey Tadthebuilder \o its a bit early for you! | 22:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah | 22:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | its my day off | 22:16 |
| Tadthebuilder | one of them | 22:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | so im on here while browsing the internet | 22:17 |
| Tadthebuilder | hoping to find tidbits of information concerning upcoming apps, and thus be prepared for in 4 year when I get an n900 | 22:17 |
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| lcuk | personal hope is that people continue working towards n8x0 too - these new apps seem simpler and more streamlined and would respond better to the optimizations needed | 22:18 |
| lcuk | arghh | 22:18 |
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| Tadthebuilder | that would be nice too haha | 22:18 |
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| Myrtti | that was scary | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | They knew you were about to talk, lcuk | 22:19 |
| Myrtti | I just typed in the root password of my debian vm and netsplit | 22:19 |
| lcuk | haha | 22:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | I lioe my n800 (I call it shuttlepod, desktop is Enterprise, and Laptop is defiant) and I hope i can keep using it with new helpful programs for a couple more years | 22:19 |
| lcuk | yeah qwerty12_N810 | 22:19 |
| Tadthebuilder | love* | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | ahhh but which enterprise is it | 22:20 |
| Tadthebuilder | D | 22:20 |
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| Tadthebuilder | but with its specs I should probably make it the first one from the show enterprise | 22:21 |
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| lcuk | lol Tadthebuilder the NX-01 is an excellent prototype | 22:22 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes that one | 22:22 |
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| Tadthebuilder | See im a borderline geek/nerd. | 22:22 |
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| Tadthebuilder | For instance I have an n800 but I dont know how to code | 22:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | I like startrek but I dont know the numbers of the ships | 22:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 22:23 |
| Tadthebuilder | or maybe that just makes me a dumb nerd | 22:23 |
| * lcuk had to look too | 22:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | Wouldn't the first enterprise be the first in the list of ships shown at the start of 'enterprise' ? | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | the naval vessels | 22:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 22:24 |
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| Tadthebuilder | well | 22:24 |
| Tadthebuilder | that would be like an Apple II or something | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | That's probably overanalying it a _lot_ too much though. | 22:25 |
| lcuk | abacus | 22:25 |
| lcuk | made from the same material | 22:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | I was about to say that | 22:25 |
| lcuk | handheld portable computing | 22:25 |
| Tadthebuilder | slide rule | 22:25 |
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| lcuk | that needs kinetic swipes | 22:26 |
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| Tadthebuilder | true | 22:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | GAHHHH | 22:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | sorry I needed to get that out | 22:28 |
| Tadthebuilder | the Apraiser needs to hurry up and just say its residential | 22:28 |
| sp3000 | hmm, is it just me or is fremantle extras-devel all "No Hash entry in Release file" | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sp3000: Not just you :\ | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh, these typos are killing me. | 22:30 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: The package is in extras-testing, but it might not show up on the device just yet | 22:30 |
| fiferboy | https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.5-9/ | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | My muscle memory is taking over my higher brain functions. :( | 22:30 |
| sp3000 | you mean the tyops are liking you? :) | 22:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, random word substitution in my posts on Talk. | 22:31 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. kinda wrong that hildon is gtk, now that nokia owns Qt >.> | 22:31 |
| * SpeedEvil has an unfortunate keyboard problem that sometimes seems to miss triplets of letters. | 22:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | especially in current. I get 'cent' or something more unfortunate. | 22:32 |
| Myrtti | Shapeshifter: big ships turn slow | 22:33 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, countdown-home is on my desktop good sir | 22:34 |
| Tadthebuilder | dream cast emu on pandora....from my understanding the dreamcast emus on pc dont work all that well | 22:34 |
| lcuk | it has the summit marked, thank you for writing this simple effective widget | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Myrtti: Unless they hit something. | 22:34 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Excellent. Good to hear. | 22:34 |
| Myrtti | ooh, I know what I'd use it for | 22:34 |
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| Myrtti | 24h 30min or so... | 22:34 |
| glass__ | Tadthebuilder: apparently the non-windowsce stuff is emued 'well enough' | 22:34 |
| glass__ | Tadthebuilder: the windowsce dreamcast games suck ass anyhow | 22:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | ive never tried a linux dreamcast emu | 22:35 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, i just upped the karma on it | 22:35 |
| fiferboy | :D | 22:35 |
| Tadthebuilder | im not quite sure what you mean by the ce after windows | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | SpeedEvil: you're almost making me grep a wordlist for sentences you should avoid trying to write :P | 22:35 |
| fiferboy | Thanks lcuk | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | with your c*** keyboard | 22:36 |
| lcuk | i would really like this testing api to come from the device itself | 22:36 |
| kirma | this is offtopic, but is there anybody on the channel that reads chinese fluently? I'd have couple lines to interpret more fluently than google translate can do... | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | sp3000: I have no idea what triggers it - it's made worse by my habit of not looking at the keyb. | 22:36 |
| lcuk | i dont know how to search this packages interface | 22:36 |
| sp3000 | it's a tester quality gate! :D' | 22:37 |
| fiferboy | maemo.org/packages just got package icons? | 22:37 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: Sssh ;) | 22:37 |
| fiferboy | Oops, secret is out. Looks good! | 22:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's here. Everybody jump him! | 22:38 |
| * sp3000 obliges | 22:38 | |
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| sp3000 | waaa extras-devel is being mean | 22:38 |
| woglinde | sp3000 why? | 22:38 |
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| sp3000 | dunno, it's going "No Hash entry in Release file" at me | 22:39 |
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| lcuk2 | fiferboy, yes, icons! | 22:40 |
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| X-Fade | sp3000: Hmm that is not good. | 22:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | (just like everyone to know that I killed garlan a little bit ago) | 22:40 |
| pupnik_ | Muriel learned sleep! | 22:40 |
| sp3000 | last time I saw that sort of thing with a repository, I think some tool change added a linefeed in the middle of the file or something ;) | 22:40 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: That should not happen. | 22:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | (and some grimps, the grimps were easy) | 22:40 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: I guess a race condition between two scripts. | 22:40 |
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| X-Fade | sp3000: let me reset it. | 22:40 |
| pupnik_ | my dev computer died yesterday | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Packages is timing out a lot on me. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, did you try hitting it with a stick? | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's all of the millions of n900s getting preloaded by the operators. | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (or not) | 22:42 |
| pupnik_ | i tried a little drop to jar it | 22:42 |
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| pupnik_ | cpu fan stuck after FIREFOX ran cpu @ 7p-100% for hours | 22:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles once revived a K6 Compaq with a kick in the side. | 22:42 | |
| pupnik_ | know i *know* why they call it "firefox" | 22:43 |
| pupnik_ | now | 22:43 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Whose side did you have to kick? | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, the computers. ;) | 22:44 |
| pupnik_ | who be versioning me? | 22:44 |
| sp3000 | pupnik_: did you also get a "flash" | 22:44 |
| sp3000 | or a "shockwave"? | 22:44 |
| X-Fade | sp3000: Better now? | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Packages is just timing out here. :( | 22:45 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Better now? | 22:46 |
| sp3000 | X-Fade: yep, tx | 22:46 |
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| sp3000 | now why aren't there any monospace fonts in extras above the devel level :) | 22:46 |
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| X-Fade | Because nobody promoted them? | 22:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nah, clearly X-Fade hates monospace fonts and it's a conspiracy to keep them out. | 22:48 |
| X-Fade | Or no app which depends on them has been promoted yet? | 22:48 |
| Macer | the closer is a pretty good show | 22:49 |
| Macer | i died laughing when they had the chinese ME that would scream her name and everything she did into the mic | 22:49 |
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| pupnik_ | sp it happened despite flashblock | 22:56 |
| user__ | any idea when mer will be ready? | 22:56 |
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| Myrtti | user__: any idea when emacs will be ready? | 22:56 |
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| woglinde | jo javis | 22:57 |
| Myrtti | user__: also, why not ask in #maemo? | 22:58 |
| Myrtti | er | 22:58 |
| Myrtti | #mer | 22:58 |
| javispedro | hiyo | 22:58 |
| Myrtti | I failed :-( | 22:58 |
| user__ | ok...pms bad today myrtti? | 22:58 |
| lcuk2 | Myrtti, press ctrl alt left swiggle escape p to find out the progress | 22:58 |
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| pupnik_ | what is different in latest release javis? sw scaling? changes in sound? | 22:59 |
| pupnik_ | -devel didnt have latest | 22:59 |
| javispedro | no changes in sound | 22:59 |
| javispedro | sw scaling since 1.2.0 | 22:59 |
| javispedro | 1.2.1 and 1.2.2 have mostly gui bugfixes | 22:59 |
| pupnik_ | k | 22:59 |
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| Myrtti | user__: what I was trying to say with my first question is that with open source projects, very few are *ever* ready | 23:00 |
| javispedro | not important at all, but i plan to make 1.2.0 next "stable" series. | 23:00 |
| frals | god i hate it when a spam mail gets thru my spamassassin | 23:00 |
| Myrtti | user__: with my second question I was trying to point out that #mer might have a bit more detailed information on your question, whatever you meant by it | 23:00 |
| pupnik_ | javis - will you add a turbo toggle to button config?- | 23:00 |
| Myrtti | and as for my pms, you can kindly fuck off. | 23:01 |
| pupnik_ | oh ok | 23:01 |
| Myrtti | thx. | 23:01 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: yeah, easy enough. | 23:01 |
| user__ | i will myrtti, as soon as im done fucking your mom | 23:01 |
| pupnik_ | turbo is useful for rpg level grinding | 23:01 |
| user__ | ass hole | 23:01 |
| pupnik_ | also slow-mo | 23:01 |
| frals | <3 internet tough guys | 23:01 |
| pupnik_ | for some timing problem spots | 23:01 |
| pupnik_ | platformers etc | 23:02 |
| javispedro | slowmo a bit harder, but not much. you can partially simulate it by just disabling frameskipping. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | user__, attitude adjustment warning #1. | 23:02 |
| javispedro | hehe. | 23:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | user__, you only get one today. | 23:02 |
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| andre__ | oh, it's school holidays again? | 23:04 |
| * frals is having a blast reading through the source code to Androids MMS app | 23:04 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: if only... :\ | 23:05 |
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| javispedro | frals: if you scratch the itch so hard, it'll bleed ;) | 23:05 |
| javispedro | just jocking, go ahead :) | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | frals: pure insanity? | 23:05 |
| frals | :D | 23:05 |
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| killfill | hey guys, i have my n800 myling around. | 23:19 |
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| killfill | i wish to flash it with the new maemo im looking at (just read a review of n900) | 23:19 |
| killfill | where can i get the new os? (or how to upgrade to it) | 23:19 |
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| `0660 | dream on | 23:19 |
| GAN800 | You want Mer. | 23:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ~mer | 23:20 |
| infobot | i guess mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer | 23:20 |
| `0660 | your hardware is too slow/not compatible with the new os | 23:20 |
| frals | hmm, android doesnt have the code for the mms pdu's up on their git | 23:21 |
| killfill | `0660: cannot one disable most stuffs? | 23:21 |
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| `0660 | mer might become that version | 23:22 |
| user__ | then again, mer isn't stable yet | 23:23 |
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| killfill | Ah, mer | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yet. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | user__, the final Fremantle SDK isn't even out yet. | 23:24 |
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| `0660 | and i wouldn't expect it to get stable anytime soon | 23:24 |
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| GeneralAntilles | `0660, you're a developer, then? ;) | 23:25 |
| killfill | so mer tries to unify latest maemo stuff with ubunbu base?. | 23:25 |
| `0660 | yes, but not a mer developer :) | 23:25 |
| lcuk2 | `0660, the more that get involved, the more rounded and stable it will will be. | 23:25 |
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| lcuk2 | -will | 23:26 |
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| user__ | too bad would be good to get access to ubuntu apps through mer | 23:26 |
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| killfill | hm... the (default) interface looks different | 23:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | killfill, it's currently based on Maemo 4. An update should be coming at some point. | 23:27 |
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| user__ | any way to disable the notifications about users in a channel joining or leaving? | 23:29 |
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| `0660 | which irc client do you use? | 23:30 |
| user__ | xchat on n810 | 23:30 |
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| `0660 | sorry, don't know about xchat | 23:31 |
| user__ | np | 23:31 |
| killfill | GeneralAntilles: its like a fork right?. thinkgs looks different than maemo. the ides is to put new stuff i.e. maemo5 inside mer too? | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | killfill, it's a more saner platform that uses Maemo technologies. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, it's Maemo based on Ubuntu. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, the new Fremantle stuff is waiting on the final SDK release for Maemo 5. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who's killing http://maemo.org? | 23:33 |
| user__ | n900? | 23:33 |
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| user__ | maemo.org/talk is gonna be a real mess soon with mixed os discussion threads | 23:34 |
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| user__ | i wish thefe would be maemo.org/hh | 23:36 |
| user__ | oops | 23:36 |
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| user__ | i wish there would be maemo.org/freemantle/talk and maemo.org/mer/talk etc | 23:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | "freemantle"? | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=9 | 23:37 |
| Tadthebuilder | wait | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | why would there be a need for seperate whole forums | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | when their are subsections dealing with those things | 23:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, I don't know. | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | (okay not a whole subforum for mer, but..._) | 23:38 |
| Tadthebuilder | I stay in this room because it makes me feel average | 23:39 |
| user__ | no..os as a layer above forums for apps, etc | 23:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | come again? | 23:39 |
| user__ | nvm | 23:39 |
| Tadthebuilder | kk | 23:40 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | I looked at the dcast emu for linux | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | and on a 3 gig processor computer it does not seem to run any game at full speed without graphical glitches... | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | so why would anyone try to even run it on pandora? | 23:42 |
| Tadthebuilder | (and then try to port it to n900) | 23:43 |
| lcuk2 | the only obvious reason: n900 outperforms a 3ghz super computer | 23:43 |
| GAN800 | Tadthebuilder, the better question is always "Why not?" ;) | 23:43 |
| Tadthebuilder | an n900 has a 600 megahertz processor | 23:44 |
| lcuk2 | Tadthebuilder, different archiectures make different kinds of apps "work" | 23:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | okay | 23:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | so the speed is less important than the architecture>? | 23:44 |
| GAN800 | MHz don't translate accross architectures like that. | 23:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 23:44 |
| lcuk2 | remember - the pc had to get >500mhz at least to "feel" the same perforance level as a 7mhz amiga | 23:44 |
| Tadthebuilder | why is a two behind your name? | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | sorry | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | random | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay...maybe I should sell my desktop | 23:45 |
| GAN800 | It could be as simple as the Pandora folka putting in a lot of heavy hand optimization. | 23:45 |
| lcuk2 | n900s around the house :D | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | and put that money in the stock market in the hopes that I can get enough in 6 months for a n900 | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | then | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | and use that... | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | instead of my desktop | 23:45 |
| Tadthebuilder | (though if someone paid me 100 dollars for my desktop theyd be getting ripped off) | 23:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | well it seems the issue is though the emulator is not very finished | 23:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | and its the only one I can find for linux at all | 23:46 |
| Tadthebuilder | so im assuming its the one ported to the pandora | 23:46 |
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| Tadthebuilder | and if they did optimizations that effect how it emulate I hope that that gets incorporated at the root | 23:47 |
| user__ | just used Transmission for the first time on my N810. wow...worked great | 23:47 |
| user__ | now i can watch Dexter tonite lol | 23:47 |
| Tadthebuilder | http://www.lxdream.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35 | 23:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | compatibility tests | 23:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | on different machines | 23:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | if anyone is interested | 23:48 |
| Tadthebuilder | congrats on the use of transmission | 23:49 |
| Tadthebuilder | so is there a chance of arm catching up and replacing x86? | 23:50 |
| frals | hmm, seems like android does all the mms sending over http | 23:50 |
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| Tadthebuilder | would that be implementable on the n900? | 23:51 |
| Myrtti | WHEE! | 23:51 |
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| Myrtti | I can come out of hiding now | 23:51 |
| frals | i assume it would be, on the other hand ive mightve missed something in the android code :p | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, aw, but I wanted to ban him. :( | 23:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | myrtti why were you hiding? | 23:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah yes | 23:52 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I know | 23:52 |
| frals | because user__ was such a pleasant fellow >_< | 23:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Myrtti: I'd have gotten pissed off, personally | 23:52 |
| Tadthebuilder | he deserves a booting and a beating | 23:52 |
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| Myrtti | just some gentle education with a pink feather boa | 23:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:53 |
| Tadthebuilder | looking at some stuff on the internet methinks it may have been a mistake for microsoft to not make windows 7 for arm | 23:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | it seems like for laptops, and netbooks arm could possibley be the future...less power usage and an increase in speed | 23:54 |
| * lbt looks at atom and thinks Arm had better get a move on... | 23:55 | |
| Tadthebuilder | arm use significantly less power | 23:55 |
| GAN800 | lbt, pfft | 23:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | lbt pfft? | 23:56 |
| * frals goes off to read more android mms code | 23:56 | |
| lbt | PFFT | 23:56 |
| GAN800 | lbt, Cortex A9 will be big | 23:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah thats what I was reading about | 23:56 |
| GAN800 | lbt, Atom isn't even in the league for power consumption | 23:56 |
| * lbt passes frals some thermal printer paper to go with it... | 23:56 | |
| frals | ye color fax is deffo next on the list ;) | 23:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | so think | 23:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | a netbook with the battery life of a itt | 23:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | or even a desktop the uses significantly less power | 23:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | so you pay less in your electricity bill | 23:57 |
| GAN800 | frals is going to singlehandedly quiet all the Talk trolls who will never buy a devce anyway. :P | 23:58 |
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| GAN800 | itt? Internet Tablet Talk? ;) | 23:58 |
| jaska | internet troll talk | 23:58 |
| range | Dealbreaker if MMS doesn't come from Nokia itself! | 23:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | i mean | 23:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | it | 23:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | deal breaker if I cannot find it used in decent condition in two years | 23:59 |
| GAN800 | I'd like a netbook I can let idle without having its battery run out in 4 hours. | 23:59 |
| frals | GAN800: yeah, just need to hardmod a capactive touchscreen after that and iphone emu and none could complain! | 23:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | an always on netbook | 23:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | but | 23:59 |
| frals | ;) | 23:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | it would have to run a non windows os | 23:59 |
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