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| lardman | I wonder how long usb dvb-t tuners would last running all the time | 00:00 |
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| lardman | as compared with pci(-e) ones | 00:00 |
| woglinde | dont know | 00:00 |
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| MaceN8x0 | wouldnt that depend on how well they are made? | 00:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | i'd guess the usb would be made out of cheap plastic components and would melt | 00:02 |
| Shapeshifter | So, maemo5 will officially do m$ exchange syncing for the calendar, which means one can use it with google calendar, but apparently, this goes only one way, doesn't it? My dad tried it on the iphone, and events you enter on the device do not get synced back to google. Will this also be the case with the n900? CalDav on the other hand does two-way syncing, will the n900 calendar support that? | 00:05 |
| woglinde | hm who gives his calendar voluntary to the fbi and cia? | 00:06 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: suggest something better. | 00:06 |
| woglinde | better in which case? | 00:07 |
| woglinde | paper and pen | 00:07 |
| woglinde | works since long | 00:07 |
| woglinde | faster | 00:07 |
| lardman | MaceN8x0: yeah | 00:07 |
| woglinde | always available | 00:07 |
| woglinde | no power is needing | 00:07 |
| woglinde | no internetconnection | 00:07 |
| Shapeshifter | I want my calendar, the same one, synced "real time", on my mobile phone, on the net (so that it's accessible from any machine), and on my lap top. | 00:07 |
| Shapeshifter | and I don't want to carry around a book, if I have a smart phone | 00:08 |
| woglinde | setup your own funambol server | 00:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | sounds interesting | 00:08 |
| Shapeshifter | "free 90 day" ?? | 00:09 |
| woglinde | ???? | 00:09 |
| woglinde | there is gpl variant | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm guessing that for using their servers | 00:09 |
| woglinde | right | 00:09 |
| woglinde | but thats the same problem as google | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | sure | 00:09 |
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| woglinde | wonder why the will prison the first "terrotist" which planed is attacks with google calendar | 00:10 |
| woglinde | args s/why/when | 00:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | I doubt the fbi and cia are interested in my schedule. | 00:11 |
| Shapeshifter | but thanks, setting up my own funambol server looks like a valid option | 00:11 |
| woglinde | shapeshifter -> https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/ | 00:11 |
| woglinde | re florian | 00:12 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter there are lot of people which would be intressted in your calendar | 00:12 |
| woglinde | believe me | 00:12 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: sure, I'm reading already | 00:12 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: apart from that, I doubt google gives them away | 00:12 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:12 |
| frals | anyone tried that funambol? looks pretty decent at first glance | 00:13 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: and in my country, the internet is not (yet) cached and logged by the gov. | 00:13 |
| ULS0 | mabybe happens like in : "when sysadmin rule the world", do you know it??? | 00:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: well, so using funambol is fine. great. Do you know if the maemo5 calendar by nokia supports it? I kinda like the look of that calendar. | 00:15 |
| lardman | hmm Hauppauge WinTV Nova-TD 500 Dual digital DVB-T PCI TV Tuner card £55, not bad | 00:15 |
| florian | re | 00:15 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter dont know but maybee some one will start a connector | 00:15 |
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| woglinde | lardman bye two usb sticks for the same price | 00:16 |
| woglinde | args buy | 00:16 |
| woglinde | damnit | 00:16 |
| lardman | yeah, just not sure how reliable running usb sticks all the time will be | 00:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: do you have experience with funambol? If yes, is it updated often and does the config change frequently so that messing with it is required often? because I would rather dislike that. | 00:17 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter hm sorry | 00:17 |
| woglinde | didnt use it yet | 00:17 |
| Shapeshifter | ok | 00:18 |
| woglinde | but as you see it has some community | 00:18 |
| Shapeshifter | well it looks decent. I'll get into it when I get my n900. | 00:18 |
| simula | has anyone gotten a ship notice for their pre-order n900? | 00:19 |
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| woglinde | barrelfish hm | 00:23 |
| florian | can we add it to oe? ;) | 00:25 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:25 |
| woglinde | it is a os | 00:25 |
| woglinde | an | 00:25 |
| woglinde | from ms and eth zurich | 00:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. funambol is all java | 00:33 |
| Shapeshifter | it spawns like 50 java processes just when starting the server | 00:33 |
| woglinde | hehe | 00:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | and it's a mess. doesn't attend to linux standarts at all. | 00:35 |
| Shapeshifter | :| | 00:35 |
| Shapeshifter | all because of java. it's so damn portable | 00:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | it's so damn broken >.> | 00:36 |
| woglinde | sorry | 00:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: so you're against using gmail as well? | 00:37 |
| Shapeshifter | or any google service for that matter? | 00:38 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: ah btw I just remembered Zimbra is a pretty nice server for mailing/calendar, that sort of stuff | 00:39 |
| Shapeshifter | haven't used it myself but heard good things about it. now owned by yahoo... | 00:39 |
| zerojay | simula: They aren't shipping yet. Not until at least Maemo Summit, I'm sure. | 00:40 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter yeah zimbra | 00:40 |
| woglinde | openexchange could work too | 00:40 |
| woglinde | but some extenders cost | 00:40 |
| woglinde | yes I have my own mailserver | 00:41 |
| simula | thanks zerojay | 00:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | yay the "apple calendar server" runs fine on linux, written in python, open source, and for that specific purpose. | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | looks pretty. | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | but if I leave google calendar, I would just as well leave gmail. But then again, I find all the google services very neat. Also like the fact that I can use my gmail address for jabber just like that. | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: First version of Hermes about to hit extras-devel autobuilder | 00:47 |
| woglinde | hahahaa ankh-morpork | 00:48 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Excellent. | 00:48 |
| zerojay | I'm glad I work with open source friendly people at my game company. | 00:49 |
| woglinde | hm have to go | 00:49 |
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| Jaffa | zerojay: First time I've built a C/Python hybrid package from scratch (rather than using mud); and you'll be the first non-Jaffa person to test it. | 00:50 |
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| Jaffa | So, please be gentle :) | 00:50 |
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| zerojay | Got a pixel artist to do the new icon for the cell bandwidth applet... got a sound designer working on doing alarm sounds for it... hehe. :) | 00:50 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: No prob. :) | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | Heh, cool | 00:50 |
| Jaffa | Make sure they're in AUTHORS :) | 00:50 |
| zerojay | I guess I'll ask fiferboy about that then. | 00:51 |
| zerojay | Like I said on Twitter earlier... from Brainstorm to full package in 3 days... not too shabby. :) | 00:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | We are some badass mofos. :D | 00:51 |
| zerojay | What other simplistic widgets are we missing? | 00:52 |
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| zerojay | Coordinating this thing was fun... time to get more projects off the ground. :) | 00:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now that I'm out, I'd say the "Community Council Tracking" widget. :P | 00:53 |
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| zerojay | lol | 00:54 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: A _24_ style countdown timer. Complete with sfx. | 00:54 |
| zerojay | countdown-home? | 00:54 |
| zerojay | Oh. | 00:54 |
| zerojay | LED style? | 00:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I had a 24 ringtone on my old 6682 for a while. | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Yeah. countdown-home isn't useful when being geeky. | 00:55 |
| * GeneralAntilles 's granola bars turned out the consistency of cookies. | 00:55 | |
| * Jaffa has a Cisco VoIP phone ringtone on his current device | 00:55 | |
| Jaffa | i.e. as used in 24 :) | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | Works well. | 00:55 |
| Jaffa | Incoming SMS is a TNG communicator chirp </sad> | 00:55 |
| lardman | silly low profile graphics cards that have full height pci back plates | 00:55 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: been baking? | 00:56 |
| lardman | we do have food over in Europe | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, failing @. | 00:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Baking in my nemesis. | 00:56 |
| Jaffa | Bah. FAILED | 00:56 |
| lardman | like the blackbirds? | 00:57 |
| lardman | or was that s/in/is ? ;) | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, ewgross. | 00:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, s/in/is/ | 00:59 |
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| lardman | hmm ~£200 + CPU, RAM, HDD | 00:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lardman, what CPU/RAM/HD? | 01:01 |
| lardman | no idea yet, just totting up the case + mb + DVB-T + video card cosrs | 01:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see. | 01:02 |
| lardman | might make life easier to get a full size case really | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Where you ordering from? | 01:02 |
| lardman | looking on ebuyer atm | 01:02 |
| lardman | but no idea | 01:02 |
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| lardman | though need to get the parts tomorrow or next day to avoid death | 01:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I was gonna look and you're definitely not getting it from Newegg. ;) | 01:02 |
| lardman | no, not over here | 01:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | £422.42 for i5 + Gigabyte MicroATX P55 + 1TB Maxtor | 01:06 |
| plastun | hello! | 01:06 |
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| lardman | ouch | 01:07 |
| plastun | is it true, that Maemo 3x, 4x doesn't support Qt3? | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, I dunno how you guys pay those prices for electronics. | 01:07 |
| lardman | it doesn't need that much uumph, will only be used to play movies and record TV | 01:07 |
| lardman | painfully ;) | 01:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/160545 | 01:07 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Build OK. Hermes is on its way to extras-devel. To get info on what it's doing, run /opt/hermes/bin/hermes from the X Terminal since feedback is limited to progress bar & # of contacts updated atm | 01:07 |
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| lardman | how big is your suitcase? ;) | 01:08 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Pound's weak at the moment, which isn't helping either. How much is that in USD? | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | a quid is 1.81 or so IIRC | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I could build an i5 machine for $800 | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | $1.6:£1 | 01:09 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Guess I'll make a backup just in case. :) | 01:09 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Probably wise :) | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - it's gone down. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2.0GHz Mac mini is $599 | 01:09 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I meant how much would you *pay* for such a mini? | 01:09 |
| Jaffa | Right | 01:09 |
| Jaffa | Ouhc | 01:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | No sales tax. | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/GBP/graph120.html | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It was heading up last I saw it. | 01:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | You guys should probably just start throwing yourself into the ocean until they lower prices. :P | 01:13 |
| * lardman decides it probably isn't worth the effort to build something this time | 01:13 | |
| lardman | pah | 01:13 |
| lardman | prices will go up as they'll raise taxes as fewer people are paying tax, and round we go again | 01:13 |
| lardman | blood Labour scumbags | 01:13 |
| lardman | bloody | 01:13 |
| lardman | pardon my French | 01:14 |
| zerojay | Like The Matrix says... | 01:14 |
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| zerojay | Swearing in French is like wiping your ass with silk. | 01:14 |
| lardman | lol | 01:14 |
| zerojay | bbs | 01:15 |
| lardman | well if nothing else, it's good to see that Linux compatible DVB-T tuners are reasonably cheap now: e.g. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI (£55) | 01:15 |
| derf | lardman: You have to convince them to stop spending before there's a hope of getting them to stop taxing. | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | VAT is already at the lowest EU allows :) | 01:16 |
| lardman | yeah, no way to do that though, until they lose power and then we'll still have to pay of their debts | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | You guys fucked yourselves so hard. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That the EU ALLOWS. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha! | 01:16 |
| lardman | that was a mistake, lost VAT revenues and realistically it didn't increase spending | 01:16 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: It's not like we're any better. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, well, at least there's no EU dictating our sales tax. | 01:16 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, yeah I get the impression there isn't much opposition to raising it back to where it was | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Why? It's just another elected body. | 01:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, and if I can't take solace in my feelings of superiority over Europeans what have I got? ;) | 01:17 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: bit late now though | 01:17 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Cheaper electronic goods? | 01:17 |
| lardman | lol | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, right, those. | 01:17 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles to himself. | 01:17 | |
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| ShadowJK | my relatives in the US apparently pay about as much in tax as I do :-) | 01:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, really, when it comes down to it, we've at least still got our weapons. | 01:18 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Fat lot of good they'll do us. | 01:18 |
| lardman | and you're not bothered who you piss off using them ;) | 01:18 |
| derf | You're gonna go after the Feds with a few semi-automatic rifles? | 01:18 |
| lardman | you also have the dubious honour of almost everyone on Earth hating you for either going in with guns blazing, or not listening to anything | 01:19 |
| lardman | though that is probably Bush's fault | 01:19 |
| derf | You might have a chance if they hadn't effectively repealed Posse Comitatus. | 01:19 |
| mavhc | blame bush/canada | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, what, they gonna use the military against us? | 01:19 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: Bush certainly planned to. | 01:19 |
| lardman | mavhc: lol @ Canada jibe | 01:19 |
| derf | Where by "Bush" I mean "Cheney". | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish them the best of luck. | 01:19 |
| mavhc | the pupetmaster has become the puppet | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, it's so popular to hate Americans nowadays that even Americans do it. | 01:20 |
| lardman | :) | 01:20 |
| lardman | I saw a wonderful editorial in the Times today, let me see if I can find it for you | 01:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Commie Rag | 01:21 |
| mavhc | which the times? | 01:21 |
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| lardman | no, that's the Sun, and even they are voting Tory now | 01:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does it matter? ;) | 01:21 |
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| lardman | mavhc: there is online one | 01:21 |
| lardman | The Times, all in the name | 01:22 |
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| lardman | none of this New York or other out of the way places in the name | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | Pfft. It's a centre-right broadsheet owned and run by a US/Australian. Not much commie about them | 01:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's all about what you define as "center" | 01:22 |
| derf | Jaffa: Your "centre-right" is our "communists". | 01:22 |
| Jaffa | lardman: http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2009/09/how-far-do-you-have-to-drive-for-a-mcdonalds.html ? | 01:22 |
| lardman | derf: that is true :) | 01:23 |
| Jaffa | derf: That's cos your country is seriously FUBAR | 01:23 |
| Jaffa | :-p | 01:23 |
| lardman | Jaffa: no, was about Obama being over educated and over-estimating the abilities of his populace | 01:23 |
| derf | Jaffa: You're preacing to the choir. | 01:23 |
| derf | *preaching | 01:23 |
| lardman | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6854498.ece | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf++ | 01:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, only I suspect we're disagreed about exactly what's FUBAR about it. | 01:24 |
| derf | One thing I've found talking American politics abroad: it's very boring, because everyone agrees. | 01:24 |
| lardman | His problem is being overeducated. He doesn’t realise how dim-witted and ignorant his audience is. | 01:24 |
| lardman | that was the quote | 01:24 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: From Gore Vidal? He seems to have a column/interview in the online bit today. But he's never been a fan of Obama (AFAICT from the More4 stings) | 01:24 |
| lardman | yeah, but still quite funny anyway | 01:25 |
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| Jaffa | http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article6854221.ece | 01:25 |
| * lardman is worried about Jaffa's reading | 01:25 | |
| lardman | has anyone else had the misfortune of being on the GSoC mentors ml? | 01:26 |
| Jaffa | No, but I got a t-shirt from Google | 01:27 |
| lardman | never has a list had so much crud go through it | 01:27 |
| lardman | me too | 01:27 |
| derf | lardman: I intentionally don't subscribe, every year. | 01:27 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Just found it off the timesonline.co.uk front page. Honest. | 01:27 |
| lardman | someone made a comment about pulling at the get-together and something like 200 emails have gone back and forward berating this chap | 01:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles gave the t-shirt to his sister. | 01:27 | |
| lardman | Jaffa: we'll believe you this time | 01:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Public education has done its job in the US. | 01:28 |
| * lardman keeps quite about the fact he saves the fashion section and brings it home (for his wife), but invariable forgets and ends up with a week's worth in his bag | 01:28 | |
| mavhc | you can only be over educated for low end jobs | 01:28 |
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| derf | I don't know. I don't think the American populace is as dumb as everyone thinks. | 01:30 |
| lardman | I don't know, you only tend to meet those who've escaped over here ;) | 01:30 |
| derf | Certainly there are extreme examples, and they make the best stories, so that's what people remember. | 01:30 |
| mavhc | every country has retards, some countries put their retards on tv, only usa then exports those tv shows | 01:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The smart people all seem to suffer from extreme cognitive disconnect. | 01:31 |
| derf | mavhc: And you guys watch 'em :). | 01:31 |
| mavhc | retards are funny | 01:31 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: That's true of everyone everywhere. | 01:31 |
| Jaffa | mavhc: America must be one of the only G20 countries to put a retard *in charge* though. | 01:31 |
| derf | At least in any nation with public schooling. | 01:32 |
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| * Jaffa thinks of others. Berlusconi's a fool, but not a retard. | 01:32 | |
| derf | Jaffa: Well, what's better, having a retard in charge, or someone competent and malicious? | 01:32 |
| lardman | no, the Italian populace take that one tho | 01:32 |
| mavhc | most of them probably believe they have an invisible friend in the sky | 01:32 |
| Jaffa | derf: Depends who they're malicious against ;-) | 01:33 |
| derf | People in power are usually malicious against anyone who can threaten their power. | 01:33 |
| Jaffa | Ergo, Bush could have been a retard *and* malicious | 01:34 |
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| derf | Bush would have been far more destructive if he hadn't been so incompetent. | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're all scum. | 01:34 |
| derf | And I don't mean just the man, but his entire administration. | 01:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why bother trying to decide who is scummier? | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: that is the big distraction that democracy provides | 01:41 |
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| mavhc | democracy is like wikipedia, it sucks, but everything else sucks worse | 01:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik, sadly they've succeeded completely in playing us off against each other to their own gain. | 01:42 |
| mavhc | we are easily manipulated | 01:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | nation-states are a comparatively recent innovation. | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | But the alternatives are worse | 01:45 |
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| Jaffa | Yay, it's launched: http://www.alfav5.com/ | 01:50 |
| lardman | ? | 01:51 |
| lardman | I thought it was a link to a car, seems now | 01:51 |
| lardman | not | 01:51 |
| Jaffa | Over 2 years of my life at work as senior architect | 01:51 |
| * Jaffa 's baby. | 01:51 | |
| lardman | well congrats :) | 01:52 |
| Pavlov | consulting websitE? | 01:52 |
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| Jaffa | And tomorrow I get to go back into work and carry on on phase 2 :) | 01:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Collect underpants? | 01:54 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Reciprocating splines? | 01:55 |
| Pavlov | ah, the NA site isn't showing it | 01:55 |
| Jaffa | Pavlov: Ah, no - NA launch next year. | 01:55 |
| Jaffa | The vagaries of US leasing, with per diem rental structures. | 01:56 |
| pupnik | "In all areas, from new-business validation and credit evaluation to collections management, Business Rules Engine helps you achieve peak process performance by applying automatic rules in logic-intensive areas of asset finance - ensuring greater efficiency and repeatable, consistent decisions, and allowing more effective use of key resources. | 01:56 |
| pupnik | wow | 01:56 |
| Jaffa | Abso-sodding-lutely˙. | 01:56 |
| lbt | doesn't display in firefox on linux Jaffa | 01:57 |
| lbt | that's a big sector you're missing there... | 01:57 |
| lbt | ;) | 01:57 |
| Jaffa | Marketing stuff's great. Even more fun when you have to say that to a c lient | 01:57 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: WorksForMe | 01:57 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Define "doesn't work"? | 01:57 |
| lbt | mouse over select a region | 01:57 |
| lbt | the graphic is truncated | 01:58 |
| Jaffa | lbt: current URL? | 01:58 |
| lbt | and I get "ente" | 01:58 |
| lbt | http://www.chpconsulting.com/ | 01:58 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Better if you press Ctrl-0? | 01:58 |
| lbt | no | 01:59 |
| Jaffa | Bah. Can you send me a screenshot? I'll pass it on to our marketing dept | 01:59 |
| lbt | willdo | 01:59 |
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| Jaffa | lbt: ta muchly | 01:59 |
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| lardman | getting late, off to bed | 02:02 |
| lardman | night all | 02:02 |
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| Jaffa | Good plan | 02:02 |
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| bobbyd_ | I suppose you guys have seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0wbLaMXeu4 | 02:03 |
| bobbyd_ | linux ftw :) | 02:03 |
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| Pavlov | Jaffa: anyways, very cool. always exciting to ship software | 02:06 |
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| bobbyd | so yeah | 02:09 |
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| bobbyd | this kind of thing is why I'm buying an n900 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0wbLaMXeu4 | 02:09 |
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| lbt | night all | 02:15 |
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| zerojay | bobbyd: While that's cool, it would be even neater having location-based netplay. ;) | 02:24 |
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| bobbyd | zerojay: possible I suppose via wifi | 02:38 |
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| xnt14 | hello world :P | 02:39 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 02:39 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@pool-98-115-79-211.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 41m 22s ago, saying: 'xD'. | 02:39 |
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| Guest3953_887 | who knows about android on the 810? | 02:40 |
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| purevol | anyone here have an n810? | 02:40 |
| purevol | i would like to load android on my n810, and was hoping someone here could point me to the right resources | 02:42 |
| purevol | ive seen a couple readmes, but nothing thorough or recent | 02:42 |
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| luke-jr | purevol: good luck | 03:52 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, you messaged me earlier (before my irc died) i believe i should thank you | 03:54 |
| Tadthebuilder | lcuk, just wanted to say that Im sorry to hear what happened to you today. | 03:56 |
| lcuk | mmm me too | 03:56 |
| lcuk | i didnt expect that final kick | 03:56 |
| Tadthebuilder | yeah real bummer. | 03:57 |
| Tadthebuilder | Love your stuff, I donated a little money to you, cannot afford much though (dont get paid much) but thought Id try to help | 03:58 |
| lcuk | did you get your fullscreen working | 03:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes I did | 03:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | I love it!!! | 03:58 |
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| lcuk | good, thats the most important part | 03:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | Its awesome | 03:58 |
| rm_you | lcuk: | 03:58 |
| Tadthebuilder | (though some of the stuff really really confuses me) | 03:58 |
| lcuk | yeah, and it can only get better | 03:58 |
| * lcuk is confused too | 03:58 | |
| lcuk | hi rm_you | 03:58 |
| lcuk | Tadthebuilder, i have had so much to do, a lot is still test over final form | 03:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah that might explain | 03:59 |
| rm_you | lcuk: as root: dsmetest -l <number between 1 and 127 or possibly 255> | 03:59 |
| Tadthebuilder | jumptoconlcusions | 03:59 |
| rm_you | or | 03:59 |
| lcuk | its in the process of being boiled down (or was) now that i know the library does what i need | 03:59 |
| lcuk | Tadthebuilder :D let me find the actual reference.. | 04:00 |
| rm_you | chroot to the initfs and then run that | 04:00 |
| rm_you | lcuk: /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs/ dsmetest -l 1 | 04:00 |
| rm_you | see if it changes the brightness on your tablet to like... low | 04:00 |
| lcuk | rm_you, got a more serious issue: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32253 | 04:02 |
| rm_you | dayum <_< | 04:03 |
| Tadthebuilder | Oh I have a question for you lcuk about future potential of liqbase... | 04:04 |
| Tadthebuilder | will you be adding the ebook reading thing you had on the first one? | 04:05 |
| Tadthebuilder | because that would be really nice to hit the button and take notes over top of an ebook that I was reading | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | 'to infinity and beyond!' | 04:05 |
| lcuk | Tadthebuilder, the idea is to add everything back in | 04:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:06 |
| lcuk | but as standalone apps | 04:06 |
| Tadthebuilder | makes sense | 04:06 |
| lcuk | so users can run what they want | 04:07 |
| lcuk | and not have the whole liqbase | 04:07 |
| lcuk | if they just use one part | 04:07 |
| lcuk | now, notice in the top right corner | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah also this is open source so expendable by others correct? | 04:07 |
| lcuk | theres a pencil.. | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | I love that pencil | 04:07 |
| lcuk | what does it do | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | if I click it | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | it allows me take notes concerning whatever im looking at | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | at first | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | I thought It would copy the screen | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | then let me draw on it | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | but it doesnt | 04:07 |
| Tadthebuilder | but it is still handy | 04:07 |
| lcuk | (its been specially designed by the good folks at digia btw) | 04:08 |
| lcuk | it has capability to trace over any screen | 04:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | (not sure what digia is) | 04:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | yes | 04:08 |
| lcuk | yes, i should save the screenshot along with it too | 04:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | that is what i meant in less words | 04:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah so future iterations may save the screen shot as well? | 04:08 |
| lcuk | i want to draw silly faces on photographs :£ | 04:08 |
| lcuk | yes | 04:08 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 04:08 |
| lcuk | the bottom right corner has a button called "pic" | 04:08 |
| lcuk | it saves a direct screenshot | 04:09 |
| lcuk | its like the inverted postcard app | 04:09 |
| lcuk | sometimes you need to draw a circle around something and say "wtf" | 04:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | I do not see anything in the bottom right corner... | 04:09 |
| lcuk | other times, you want to say hello mum | 04:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | or | 04:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | is that future | 04:09 |
| Tadthebuilder | haha | 04:09 |
| lcuk | that hsould eb there when you are tracing | 04:09 |
| lcuk | -major typos | 04:09 |
| lcuk | you might not have it cos the build is a little old | 04:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | ah okay | 04:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | nope | 04:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | its there found it | 04:10 |
| rm_you | lcuk: well, i hope you can come T_T | 04:10 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, do i need to chroot things? seriously? | 04:10 |
| rm_you | i believe so | 04:10 |
| lcuk | yikes | 04:10 |
| Tadthebuilder | well Lcuk thankyou so much for the app it is awesome. | 04:10 |
| rm_you | it's part of initfs | 04:10 |
| lcuk | will it break stuff | 04:10 |
| rm_you | no | 04:11 |
| lcuk | Tadthebuilder, :) its hopefully only just getting started | 04:11 |
| rm_you | you're just loading into a different environment | 04:11 |
| lcuk | i hope this hiccup with funding doesnt stop me for too long | 04:11 |
| Tadthebuilder | If it wont offend you is it cool if I pray that you find a job? | 04:11 |
| rm_you | lcuk: i know like three companies in Texas that would hire you :P if you want to hang out here :P | 04:11 |
| lcuk | Tadthebuilder, i would be honoured :) every little helps right now | 04:11 |
| lcuk | and i was thinking last night | 04:11 |
| rm_you | lcuk: cost of living in San Antonio is like... ridiculously low :P | 04:11 |
| lcuk | i would perhaps like to have a talk with you at some point in the very near future | 04:12 |
| Tadthebuilder | me? | 04:12 |
| lcuk | yes :) send me a quick "hi" email and ill reply | 04:12 |
| lcuk | liquid@gmail.com | 04:12 |
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| Tadthebuilder | will do man | 04:13 |
| lcuk | :) cool | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | I gotta head out though now. But ill be praying for you | 04:13 |
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| Tadthebuilder | have a wonderful night. Hope you can still get to amsterdam. | 04:13 |
| Tadthebuilder | Talk to you later | 04:13 |
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| lcuk | me too! thanks tad | 04:13 |
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| lcuk | rm_you, just like this | 04:14 |
| lcuk | /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt/initfs/ dsmetest -l 1 | 04:14 |
| lcuk | and it wont break stuff | 04:14 |
| Pavlov | lcuk: where is the latest liqbase source? | 04:14 |
| Macer | nobody wants to live in texas | 04:14 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk | 04:14 |
| Macer | other than texans | 04:14 |
| Macer | haha | 04:14 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:16 |
| rm_you | I'm from WA ::P | 04:16 |
| rm_you | lcuk: it doesn | 04:16 |
| rm_you | doesn't break things, no | 04:16 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=290762&highlight=game#post290762 found it! | 04:18 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: github ftl | 04:19 |
| lcuk | why, it works from maemo | 04:20 |
| lcuk | directly | 04:20 |
| luke-jr | proprietary | 04:20 |
| lcuk | but i cant use maemo garage from maemo device yet :$ | 04:21 |
| lcuk | so it will suffice | 04:21 |
| lcuk | until a lesser evil comes about and i can work in the garage in piece :) | 04:21 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: Gitorious | 04:25 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, dont call me names ;( | 04:34 |
| lcuk | i know what you mean tho | 04:34 |
| lcuk | but im not moving now it | 04:34 |
| lcuk | its a heartache | 04:34 |
| luke-jr | what? | 04:35 |
| luke-jr | how is it a heartache | 04:35 |
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| luke-jr | you just push somewhere else | 04:35 |
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| bobbyd | soooo | 04:44 |
| bobbyd | what's the latest word on USB OTG? | 04:44 |
| luke-jr | so anyone have Commander Keen working yet? | 04:44 |
| bobbyd | I read that it was definitely out, then thre was confusion, then someone said it was in, same with the digital compass | 04:45 |
| bobbyd | for the n900 of course :) | 04:45 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: N810 has OTG so I can't imagine N900 lacks it | 04:46 |
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| bobbyd | luke-jr: I read that they disabled it at the last moment because it wouldn't work with usb charging | 04:48 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, theres a long discussion on tmo | 04:49 |
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| bobbyd | luke-jr: if it does have it then I'll be able to use my korg nanokey with it :) | 04:49 |
| bobbyd | which would possibly make my life | 04:50 |
| bobbyd | and then there's the digital compass, I've seen many conflicting reports about that | 04:50 |
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| Jason404 | what is USB OTG? | 04:52 |
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| lcuk | Jason404, its a mobile version of USB | 04:52 |
| lcuk | designed to allow small devices to be hosts | 04:53 |
| lcuk | but using less power than usual | 04:53 |
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| Jason404 | lcuk: thanks. no diffrerence from a user perspective compared to a computer then? | 04:53 |
| lcuk | not really | 04:53 |
| lcuk | apart from they would always try to plug in hair dryers and stuff | 04:53 |
| lcuk | and complain when there wasnt enough current | 04:53 |
| Jason404 | ah ic. no self powered 2.5" HDD then? | 04:54 |
| bobbyd | Jason404: devices are limited to a vary small amount of power like lcuk says, 100milliamps i think | 04:54 |
| Jason404 | of course | 04:54 |
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| bobbyd | I'm really excited about the n900 as a portable music device | 04:57 |
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| bobbyd | lots of potential there I think | 04:57 |
| bobbyd | music creation I mean :) | 04:57 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, you should be really excited about it for all sorts of things | 04:57 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 | 04:57 |
| lcuk | jamming without instruments | 04:58 |
| lcuk | table top drumming brought to life :) | 04:58 |
| bobbyd | using the accelerometers? | 04:59 |
| lcuk | yeah | 04:59 |
| bobbyd | man I don't know the half of what's going on! | 04:59 |
| bobbyd | what's the app they're running? | 04:59 |
| lcuk | its one of the interactions in liqbase | 05:00 |
| lcuk | called liqflow | 05:00 |
| bobbyd | will that be available for people to download? | 05:00 |
| lcuk | nice big presentation about it http://mynokiablog.com/2009/09/15/video-nokia-n900-presentation-with-gary-birkett-and-liqbase/ | 05:00 |
| lcuk | yeah - its in maemo-extras now | 05:00 |
| bobbyd | ta | 05:00 |
| lcuk | runs on n8x0 | 05:00 |
| bobbyd | heh | 05:00 |
| lcuk | but better on n900 | 05:00 |
| lcuk | extras-devel sorry | 05:00 |
| bobbyd | I don't think I'm going to be able to get anything done once I get this | 05:00 |
| lcuk | its not quite ready | 05:00 |
| Jason404 | how come the screens were showing a contiguous image? | 05:01 |
| lcuk | Jason404, magic | 05:01 |
| Jason404 | ic | 05:01 |
| lcuk | the real networked version will be available if i get to the summit | 05:01 |
| Jason404 | N900 has some good specs then | 05:01 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32253 | 05:01 |
| lcuk | but im not going to the summit | 05:01 |
| lcuk | and im stopping work on stuff | 05:01 |
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| lcuk | i hada bombshell this evening | 05:02 |
| bobbyd | Jason404: same processor and 3d hardware as the iPhone 3G | 05:02 |
| Jason404 | yes, i read that earlier. I am in a similar boat, as an architect | 05:02 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: job problems? | 05:02 |
| lcuk | a lot of very good folks in the community have stepped up to help and we shall see how it goes | 05:02 |
| Jason404 | bobbyd: yeah, I know | 05:02 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, very much so | 05:02 |
| lcuk | i knew the job loss was coming, but the final kick i got today really pissed on everything | 05:03 |
| bobbyd | lots of places are shite | 05:03 |
| bobbyd | what are your main skills? | 05:03 |
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| bobbyd | and you can take your boss to an industrial tribunal and get your money back | 05:04 |
| lcuk | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/gary-birkett/16/550/41b | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: :( | 05:04 |
| bobbyd | I did that with a previous employer | 05:04 |
| lcuk | it wont help, in 4 days time my bills go out | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: The only opening I have at the moment is someone to shovel a bit of gravel. | 05:04 |
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| elekt | <3 | 05:05 |
| zerojay | ? | 05:05 |
| elekt | saw the preview for 5 | 05:06 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: you can talk to your bank, they are usually willing to help you out if you give them notice up front | 05:06 |
| elekt | should work on n800, yes? | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | elekt: not a chance. | 05:06 |
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| elekt | :( why | 05:06 |
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| lcuk | bobbyd, i think i will manage it | 05:06 |
| luke-jr | elekt: N8x0 haven't been supported by Nokia for over a year | 05:06 |
| lcuk | but the bank will not help | 05:06 |
| bobbyd | ok :/ | 05:06 |
| lcuk | because i have no job right now | 05:06 |
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| elekt | yeah but i had debian installed on n800, i don't think maemo5 is such a big stretch | 05:07 |
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| elekt | even if not supported | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | elekt: Maemo 5 requires OpenGL ES at least | 05:07 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: well, I asked the bank for an overdraft to cover the time inbetween jobs and they gave me it | 05:07 |
| elekt | ouch | 05:07 |
| * lcuk has been cradled in the boxem of the best in the community and thinks it can work | 05:07 | |
| zerojay | elekt: Mer is your best bet. | 05:07 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: not saying you should do that, just relating my experience | 05:07 |
| elekt | mer? | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | elekt: I run Gentoo. | 05:07 |
| lcuk | boxom | 05:07 |
| lcuk | however its spelt | 05:07 |
| elekt | on n800? | 05:07 |
| zerojay | elekt: Yes. | 05:08 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Bosom? lol | 05:08 |
| elekt | that is freakin awesome | 05:08 |
| lcuk | yes zerojay thank you | 05:08 |
| elekt | is it usable? | 05:08 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: you're welcome to apply to my place of work : www.realtimeworlds.com | 05:08 |
| * lcuk rests in zerojay's bosom | 05:08 | |
| luke-jr | elekt: depends on what you want to do | 05:08 |
| bobbyd | we have roles for non-games developers | 05:08 |
| zerojay | Mer is not Maemo 5. It is basically a new Ubuntu based distro that is attempting to bring Fremantle features and so on. | 05:08 |
| luke-jr | elekt: and I have a N810 | 05:08 |
| elekt | :( | 05:08 |
| elekt | this is so sad i feel like going to a casino and try to win money for an n900 | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | elekt: KDE is barely startable | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | elekt: personally, I'm holding out for an open device. | 05:09 |
| zerojay | elekt: You feel like that now... imagine after having it in your hands. lol | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | might settle for N900 or some HTC if I can live without the closed features | 05:09 |
| elekt | what's closed in n900? | 05:10 |
| elekt | anything nw on the sound front? | 05:10 |
| elekt | new | 05:10 |
| elekt | as in better rate and latency for sound in? | 05:10 |
| zerojay | It's using PulseAudio now. | 05:10 |
| zerojay | Instead of ESD. | 05:10 |
| luke-jr | M4 used ESD? :/ | 05:10 |
| zerojay | Think so. | 05:11 |
| elekt | damn | 05:11 |
| elekt | there's a kontori video on engadget, i thought i'd come catch up | 05:11 |
| elekt | they're making fun of the baby crying somewere offscreen while he's running snes | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | elekt, by "closed" luke-jr of course means, a userspace library for OpenGL ES, cellular functionality and possibly GPS. | 05:12 |
| elekt | hi GA | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | of course, I don't expect to see open hardware anytime soob | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus battery charging. | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | soon* | 05:12 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: you have a list? | 05:12 |
| zerojay | Media Player UI. | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Nokia sent me this nice poster of it. :roll: | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I wasn't going to get into userspace stuff for hardware. ;) | 05:13 |
| zerojay | :) | 05:13 |
| elekt | i've only been using my n80 to read pdfs for the last few months. and run wikipedia offline. but i was hoping i'd get to play with m5 | 05:14 |
| timeless | does unsupported first party hardwae count as interesting? | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | PDFs are stupid | 05:14 |
| bobbyd | I don't care if there are parts I can't play with, what I can play with! proper support for all hardware under linux wil be great thanks :D | 05:14 |
| zerojay | timeless: Yes. | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | (for reading with small devices) | 05:14 |
| bobbyd | it'll probably be one of the most user-friendly linux devices ever made | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | tivo | 05:15 |
| zerojay | It is. | 05:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, PDFs are generally stupid period for the vast majority of the applications to which they are put. | 05:15 |
| elekt | speedevil - better than lugging around a laptop just for that | 05:15 |
| bobbyd | SpeedEvil: ok, tivo :) | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | elekt: pdf on a 3.5" screen though - shoot me now. | 05:15 |
| bobbyd | "one of" | 05:15 |
| elekt | works well | 05:15 |
| elekt | between the maemo reader and evince, it's pretty comfy | 05:15 |
| elekt | + good battery life if you're offline | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | pdf is not a sane format for when you need to actually boost the font to something readable and have it rewrap | 05:16 |
| elekt | right, but if you read books, you don't wanna screw with the formatting | 05:16 |
| elekt | at least i don't | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | timeless: ? | 05:17 |
| timeless | yes? | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | And you can sanely read a normal book on a 3.5" display without rewrapping it? | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: PDF is a sane format. It just isn't for what you said. | 05:17 |
| elekt | yup | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | timeless: I don't understand your question | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I tend to wind up the font size a lot for that sort of use. | 05:18 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: did you write the graphics display for the 1.0 thing? | 05:18 |
| MaceN8x0 | damn pookie | 05:18 |
| * timeless cries | 05:18 | |
| timeless | bad browser | 05:18 |
| MaceN8x0 | i'm watching the closer | 05:18 |
| elekt | if it's a small font yyou can zoom in as long as it doesn't cut anything off horizontally | 05:19 |
| elekt | then you scll down | 05:19 |
| elekt | scroll | 05:19 |
| MaceN8x0 | are gangs so stupid that they plaster the whole murder over the walls | 05:19 |
| elekt | i've been doing it for a few months | 05:19 |
| zerojay | timeless: No cookie? | 05:19 |
| elekt | i forget wat my nick used to be here. | 05:19 |
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| timeless | well, the crash reporter gave me a modal cookie | 05:19 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: you can get plenty of cookies on Nokia's website I'm sure | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | elekt: Sure - but when the publication gets to the width of the screen and you can't see it - pdf is broken | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | elekt; sometimes it's just not possible to hold the device up to your face. | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not broken, just not for that purpose | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | PDF is strictly for printing | 05:20 |
| n800n | yeah, i mean i wouldn't read anything other than text | 05:20 |
| n800n | giant illustrations | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Broken for the distribution of text for reading on devices with greatly varying screen sizes. | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | For printing at one format - just fine. | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | that's what PDF is for | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | screen sizes, or users with varying vision | 05:21 |
| timeless | browser crashed again | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | try to use an apple as a baseball, and it obviously won't work too well | 05:21 |
| n800n | that's what it WAS for | 05:21 |
| n800n | now it's for me to read | 05:21 |
| zerojay | timeless: I haven't had more than 2 crashes so far in about two weeks. | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | zerojay: you have a N900? | 05:22 |
| timeless | i think i have a reproducible one :o | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | someone w/ a N900: can I have a shell account to script up a list of non-free pkgs? :p | 05:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, they have a couple of N900s with time available. http://forum.nokia.com/rda | 05:23 |
| n800n | well thanks for the horrible news | 05:23 |
| n800n | and good luck | 05:23 |
| zerojay | RDA is awesome. | 05:23 |
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| lcuk | i first experienced fremantle on my n810. using vnc from qwertys scratchbox ! | 05:24 |
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| lcuk | but luke-jr - its closed source! :p | 05:29 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: that's exactly what I aim to investigate | 05:30 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: RDA fails | 06:29 |
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| pupnik | Amazing how in 2009, game developers/artists still haven't figured out how trees look near the ground... http://www.nordichardware.com/skrivelser_img/560/shad.jpg | 06:50 |
| zerojay | They know. It's a detail that gets omitted because... well... who cares? | 06:51 |
| zerojay | Why render a whole ton more polys for a detail almost no one notices? | 06:52 |
| lcuk | lol zerojay obviously pupnik cares | 06:54 |
| pupnik | http://www.ohgizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/trespasser_1.jpg Trespassed 3D game - 1997 or smth | 06:55 |
| lcuk | holy crap pupnik that tree looks so bad i could swear it looks like a dinosaur | 06:56 |
| pupnik | :) | 06:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I don't buy that. | 06:57 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: You don't have to. It's just the truth. :) | 06:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I'm pretty sure they've never been outdoors and they just don't know. :P | 06:57 |
| zerojay | lol | 06:57 |
| zerojay | There's other details that are ignored for the sake of performance. | 06:57 |
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| zerojay | doorframes for one. | 06:58 |
| zerojay | Though there's far less of an argument for that one. | 06:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I'm sad to report that graphics don't really feel all that much better with my 2004-to-2009 upgrade. :\ | 06:58 |
| zerojay | Hell, a lot of the progress bars in videogames are completely fake even. | 06:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Aw http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40199&start=90 | 07:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | This guy totally kicks Eldar's ass. | 07:02 |
| zerojay | Eldar just likes stirring up shit. | 07:03 |
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| chx | So the OpenPandora is shipping at last!@ | 07:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Noooo! | 07:12 |
| chx | haha why? | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 appears to have lost. | 07:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Though we wont call it until somebody signs for a package. ;) | 07:13 |
| chx | LOL | 07:13 |
| chx | You had a race between two almost-vaporware devices? | 07:14 |
| chx | One backed by the biggest mobile company | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 isn't vaporware. | 07:14 |
| microlith | until the openpandaora can make a phone call the N900 wins :) | 07:14 |
| chx | The other by three or so hackers? | 07:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's looking at about a month between announcement and release. | 07:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | OpenPandora is looking at 2 years. | 07:14 |
| chx | microlith: does it have two SDHC slots? | 07:14 |
| chx | anyways | 07:14 |
| chx | i am delighted | 07:15 |
| microlith | ChanServ: can you get a cdma connector in an SDIO formfactor? :) | 07:15 |
| chx | it's great to see the OP comign to market finally | 07:15 |
| microlith | openpandora is pretty cool | 07:15 |
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| microlith | with luck there'll be crosstalk due to the similarity between the devices | 07:16 |
| chx | microlith: i would not be surprised if a CDMA phone would exist in SDIO | 07:16 |
| zerojay | We've heard all the "Pandora is shipping!" stuff so many times before. As far as I know, they haven't even gone through FCC yet. | 07:16 |
| chx | microlith: i do know there were GPRS modems | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not even through FCC. | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd say it's a ways from "shipping" | 07:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.openpandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en | 07:16 |
| zerojay | Yeah... probably won't go out this year. | 07:17 |
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| chx | thats not what the newsletter said | 07:18 |
| chx | In October the factory will start to populate 4000 Pandora PCBs, this will be a slow process at first | 07:18 |
| chx | which will become substantially faster after the initial 800. | 07:18 |
| chx | As the PCBs are completed, they are tested then put in to cases, boxed up and shipped out to you. | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not shipped yet. | 07:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | FCC cert has to happen first. | 07:18 |
| chx | I am fairly sure it will ship Oct/Nov. I am an optimist :) | 07:19 |
| zerojay | FCC = at least a month on it's own. | 07:20 |
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| zerojay | I was an optimist about Pandora... a year ago. | 07:21 |
| k-s | zeenix: hey, just added glib main loop integration to ecore, so it is possible to use gupnp from efl apps easily | 07:21 |
| zerojay | And each time they said "next month!" nothing. | 07:21 |
| k-s | zeenix: rygel as well, of course :-) | 07:21 |
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| johnxx | mornin' | 07:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Imposter! | 07:36 |
| Vulcanis | thats what she said | 07:36 |
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| johnx | oh yeah! I keep forgetting I have a pandora on pre-order :) | 07:42 |
| pupnik | i won't let evildragon forget :) | 07:45 |
| pupnik | http://i36.tinypic.com/2q2e4hi.jpg << HAAHAAHAH a pic of the new ATI 5870, endorsed by Batman and Robin | 07:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ehehe | 07:45 |
| johnx | the trick to dealing with delays is treating the money as gone, then you can be surprised if they actually ship | 07:46 |
| Vulcanis | the good batman, or the bad batman? | 07:46 |
| johnx | the old batman | 07:47 |
| Vulcanis | thats the good one | 07:47 |
| johnx | well, then there was the middle batman (batman forever) and the new batman (batman begins) | 07:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dark Knight rocks my world. | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | in the 2 years the pandora has been pending, have they decreased the price appropriately? :p | 07:50 |
| johnx | luke-jr, nah, just bumped the specs :) | 07:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | They need the 45nm OMAP3530. | 07:55 |
| johnx | little late in the game for that :P | 07:56 |
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| johnx | the strange thing is that the part they're using was up-specced by TI from 600MHz to 720MHz | 07:57 |
| johnx | though I wonder if their case design will cope with the increased heat | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | they should up the RAM | 07:57 |
| johnx | they did | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | to 512 | 07:57 |
| johnx | they already have final boards coming off the assembly line...so, no | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | :( | 07:58 |
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| johnx | yeah, really is a bummer having final production in progress :P | 07:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's 45nm, so everything else should mostly bet he same. | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | why is embedded not like desktops in this regard? | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | just swap a chip to upgrade RAM | 07:59 |
| johnx | luke-jr, are you serious? | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | yeah, is there a reason for that? | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | The mobile modularity proponents always crack me up. | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | I mean, obviously it's probably soldered on | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | but I mean just change the design | 07:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, the SoC and RAM/NAND are one package. | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: how did they upgrade the RAM to 256 if it's inside the SoC? | 07:59 |
| johnx | luke-jr, it's a PoP. they just solder the whole RAM/NAND/CPU onto the board | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's on top of the SoC. | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | and they can't just get a PoP with more RAM? | 08:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 512MB RAM PoP aren't really available. | 08:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least the last time I asked about it. | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | i c | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | so it's an OMAP limitation for now | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Besides, more RAM == more cost and more power consumption. | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | significantly? | 08:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since 512MB PoPs are barely available, yeah. | 08:01 |
| johnx | they switched PoPs at a really late stage, but it was pin compatible | 08:01 |
| johnx | dunno if there is a similar cost, pin-compat 512MB PoP | 08:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pins shouldn't be an issue. | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | But cost definitely will. | 08:03 |
| johnx | well, the big thing was they didn't have to do any work at all on the board | 08:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is one of the big advantages of the PoP arrangement. | 08:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love the Woot descriptions. | 08:06 |
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| * RST38h moos | 08:06 | |
| tigert | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/3970357641/in/pool-1184299@N24 | 08:06 |
| tigert | schweeeet camera <3 | 08:06 |
| RST38h | for macros, anyway | 08:06 |
| johnx | tigert, that rocks | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, anything can look good at that resolution. :P | 08:07 |
| RST38h | Not anything | 08:07 |
| johnx | yup, RST38h will still look like RST38h :D | 08:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | True enough, anything but the N8x0 cameras. | 08:07 |
| RST38h | But N900's camera seems to handle macro pretty well | 08:07 |
| johnx | GeneralAntilles, they have cameras? I thought it was some kind of noise generator... | 08:07 |
| tigert | it focuses about 10cm away | 08:08 |
| RST38h | Samsung or low end Panasonic will suck too =) | 08:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | johnx, yeah, I'm pretty sure Nokia sourced the parts for RNG then figured "webcam" would make for good box specs. | 08:08 |
| * RST38h wonders what RST38h looks like | 08:08 | |
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| johnx | http://images.google.com/images?&q=RST38h&btnG=Search+Images | 08:09 |
| johnx | it's a type of calculator it appears | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd brand? | 08:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, it got at least one image right | 08:10 |
| johnx | yeah, the wazd RST38h. I think it's a russian ti83 knock off | 08:10 |
| RST38h | johnx: Although it is a hard query for Google, given that RST38h is an assembler instruction | 08:10 |
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| johnx | but doing an image search helps :) | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: for what architecture? O.o | 08:11 |
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| RST38h | Z80 | 08:11 |
| * luke-jr certainly has never seen anything like that in ARM or MIPS | 08:11 | |
| johnx | though I'd really like to see nice sensical icons for asm instructions | 08:11 |
| RST38h | or 8080, although there it was called RST7 | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | i c | 08:11 |
| RST38h | There are other cpus than ARM and MIPS, luke-jr. Use the Power! | 08:12 |
| tigert | hmm | 08:12 |
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| johnx | mmmm, touch screen based ASM programming :D | 08:12 |
| * RST38h scratches his Yoda ears | 08:12 | |
| RST38h | johnx: Some of my apps have debugger enabled on N8x0, so you can at least look at assembly =) | 08:13 |
| RolaBlade | Hi guys, can someone tell me about the python support for maemo and running PyQt apps on maemo | 08:13 |
| johnx | RolaBlade, have you already seen the maemo pyqt4 page? | 08:13 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: I don't know POWER assembly | 08:14 |
| RST38h | * Cost of 3G traffic will be the same as EDGE traffic cost. | 08:15 |
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| RolaBlade | johnx: Yeah I have but the page seems to be lacking lots of info about developing for maemo with PyQt. I started wondering if that was just some toy project. That is actually why I want to know about the support for it | 08:16 |
| johnx | RolaBlade, PySide seems to be the Nokia supported thing | 08:16 |
| Myrtti | Good morning kids | 08:16 |
| johnx | same idea, but LGPL | 08:16 |
| RST38h | EHLO Myrtti | 08:16 |
| tigert | huomenta | 08:17 |
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| tigert | awesome chilly morning here | 08:18 |
| tigert | nah, i need my porage | 08:20 |
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| Myrtti | i hate mornings | 08:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I hate any day that is not Saturday or Sunday | 08:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, the tablets are such laziness enablers. | 08:28 |
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| Myrtti | i just have really stiff back... | 08:28 |
| Myrtti | meh | 08:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Indeed :) | 08:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Myrtti: Me too :\ | 08:29 |
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| * GeneralAntilles fell asleep reading on his N800 around 7, woke up around 10. :\ | 08:29 | |
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| Myrtti | it's a bad sign if the commute makes me really tired and takes 15minutes | 08:32 |
| Myrtti | if it's 3 meters | 08:33 |
| ds3 | metric sickness? ;) | 08:33 |
| pupnik | I find qwerty12's idea of a 'usable' emulator amusing ;) | 08:37 |
| pupnik | but i know what you meant | 08:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Compare VisualBoyAdvance to VGBA and you'll catch on pretty quickly | 08:38 |
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| frals | god i do not looking forward to going outside, 3 C :( | 08:46 |
| RST38h | qwerty: So which one is unusable? =) | 08:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VisualBoyAdvance, obviously (Of course, I am talking about the tablets) :p | 08:47 |
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| phazei | hi | 08:48 |
| pupnik | qwerty12_N810: prior to VGBA, we had ATARI ST, Dosbox, NES and C64 emulation. And i'm forgetting some | 08:48 |
| pupnik | someone reading your post would think that vbga was the first usable emulator on the tablets | 08:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: I'm talking about GBA emulation, as the topic was on GBA emulation | 08:48 |
| pupnik | ahh | 08:48 |
| RST38h | What the hell are you talking about? =) | 08:49 |
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| pupnik | well the statement works pretty well if you define usable as "not invoked from a shell" too :) | 08:49 |
| Summeli | gpsp would be nice too :) | 08:49 |
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| phazei | I'm contemplating getting Clear WIMAX and killing my Cox internet and Cricket cell service. I'm already using GV and Gizmo as my primary number. Seems my only options are the Samsung Mondi or the N810 W.E. and I'd much rather stay away from PPC. I had a couple questions I was hoping someone here might be able to answer. | 08:50 |
| pupnik | that other gba emu thread on t.m.o. RST38h | 08:50 |
| RST38h | a moment | 08:50 |
| pupnik | it's so unimportant RST38h - pls forget it :) | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | phazei: I'm not sure you could find a N810 W.E. anymore | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | they were discontinued long before the N810 itself was | 08:51 |
| phazei | ebay solves that problem | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | as most of the world doesn't have WiMax :p | 08:51 |
| RST38h | pupnik: No, no, I am gonna go flame! =) | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | phazei: it might | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | might not too | 08:51 |
| pupnik | hahah | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | :p | 08:51 |
| johnx | phazei, what's the question? | 08:52 |
| phazei | Does the N810 only have the external speaker, or does it have a phone type speaker that I can hold up to my head? | 08:52 |
| phazei | Or do I have to use bluetooth? | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | there's a 3.5mm jack | 08:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | There's no phone-type speaker | 08:52 |
| johnx | phazei, it has a mic and two side speakers | 08:53 |
| johnx | works as well as a speaker phone | 08:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty,pupnik: Before you go too deep, just for reference, let me mention that the Rotkaeqpchen apparently never had a tablet | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | I'm not sure what you would hold up to your head besides an external speaker | 08:53 |
| phazei | The 3.5mm jack, is it for headphones only, or does it also work with a mic? | 08:53 |
| RST38h | So, his "interest" is mostly academic at the moment | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | phazei: both | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | phazei: note the N810's builtin mic sucks | 08:53 |
| phazei | What I meant by external speaker was the speaker phone type speaker rather than the low volume one by the ear. | 08:53 |
| johnx | yeah, just has the two stereo "music speakers" | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | phazei: that's a matter of volume, isn't it? ;) | 08:54 |
| pupnik | i think the microphone is normal = i.e. not useful for hifi recording | 08:54 |
| phazei | So a bluetooth headset would fix the problem. | 08:54 |
| johnx | yeah | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: not useful for speakerphone-conversing or meeting-recording either | 08:54 |
| johnx | but the real question is whether it works with the wimax near you | 08:54 |
| RST38h | N810 builtin mic is an order of magnitude better than most laptop mics I have seen | 08:54 |
| johnx | clear uses "mobile wimax" and "pre-wimax" in different areas | 08:55 |
| RST38h | Skype is actually USABLE with N810, can't use it with a laptop | 08:55 |
| pupnik | luke-jr: people could understand me fine in skype - do you have some professional type experience using it in that environment? | 08:55 |
| phazei | I'm in Vegas. | 08:55 |
| phazei | Skype isn't free and doesn't use SIP... | 08:55 |
| RST38h | Is there a free alternative? | 08:55 |
| johnx | luke-jr, that's not my experience either... | 08:55 |
| phazei | Google Voice iwth Gizmo. | 08:55 |
| johnx | though, IMHO, the N800 works better as a speakerphone | 08:56 |
| johnx | where is the N810 mic placed? | 08:56 |
| phazei | Free incoming with Gizmo, and GV calls out to you so outbound is inbound. | 08:56 |
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| phazei | Second, it's going to be my primary WiMAX device, so I would want to use it to provide broadband to my laptop. | 08:57 |
| pupnik | < RST38h> Skype is actually USABLE with N810, can't use it with a laptop <<< my experience also | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: just personal attempts to use it | 08:57 |
| pupnik | and the n810 was in my shirt-pocket while i was gizmo/skyping | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | sitting it on a table in a meeting room, the recording is utterly useless | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | trying to do the same with a call, also useless | 08:57 |
| phazei | So could I use the bluetooth or wifi to have the internet go from the N810 to the laptop? | 08:57 |
| pupnik | compared to what luke-jr | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | johnx: N810 mic is under the bottom | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | in the stand | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | or rather, under the stand | 08:58 |
| johnx | phazei, with a little hacking around in linux | 08:58 |
| pupnik | it's not covered by the stand | 08:58 |
| RST38h | phazei: And Google Voice / Gizmo are free? | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: compared with anything I can hear what is said | 08:59 |
| phazei | yup | 08:59 |
| johnx | phazei, but I don't think Las Vegas' Clear coverage is actually real "mobile WiMax" | 08:59 |
| phazei | Been using it for a couple months now. | 08:59 |
| johnx | do a little digging to make sure | 08:59 |
| pupnik | so compared with a standard laptop, it is worse in your experience? | 08:59 |
| pupnik | when sitting on table | 08:59 |
| pupnik | interesting | 08:59 |
| johnx | with what? a clear provided wimax adapter? | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: I don't use "standard laptop" ever. | 08:59 |
| pupnik | a standard laptop would be included in the term "everything" | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | but I literally cannot make anything out via the N810 mic | 09:00 |
| pupnik | k | 09:00 |
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| luke-jr | the best I've been able to do is record baby heartbeats by folding the stand out and holding the bottom up to the machine speaker | 09:00 |
| phazei | I've been using GV and Gizmo with PC, and a wifi phone. And just GV by itself with my cell. | 09:00 |
| pupnik | it's rather curious to hear such different evaluations of the micropone | 09:01 |
| phazei | My other option is to get this WiMAX to WiFi portable hotspot, which is basically a portable router that you plug a USB WiMAX adapter into that runs off a battery and would work with any wifi cell. | 09:02 |
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| RST38h | BTW, is Google Voice a SIP provider? =) | 09:02 |
| phazei | Not quite. | 09:02 |
| johnx | RST38h, nah, it's "something else" | 09:02 |
| RST38h | Ok. And how about "free"? Don't you have to pay to call landlines? | 09:03 |
| phazei | When google voice first came out there was actaully a IP address that would provide you with open SIP service. | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: Google Voice can route via Gizmo to a Gizmo-local number | 09:04 |
| phazei | But they found some inherent security issues with the SIP, so closed it. But then they made a deal with Gizmo that uses the SIP on the back end so in the GV settings you just type in your Gizmo SIP number and it does it's magic on the backend. | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | phazei: also, don't expect the GPS function to work | 09:04 |
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| phazei | ? | 09:04 |
| * luke-jr notes the Gizmo support is older than Google Voice, from when it was GrandCentral | 09:04 | |
| RST38h | luke: So, is Gizmo free? It is asking me to pay for calling actual phones | 09:04 |
| phazei | The GPS doesn't work with the N810 or Mer? | 09:04 |
| johnx | the GPS is pretty slow to lock, and might not get a fix in a car or in some cases in a city | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | phazei: it has issues even on Maemo | 09:05 |
| RST38h | If anyones sees wazd, tell him I was looking for him | 09:05 |
| johnx | doesn't work out of the box in Mer *yet* but hopefully that can be worked out | 09:05 |
| phazei | Gizmo is free for SIP service. Gizmo has free inbound, but you need to pay like $4 a month for a POTS number and $0.02 a min for outbound. | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | phazei: but on non-Maemo, it's mostly hopeless at this point; you can hope on Nokia convincing TI to release code, but they have no interest in doign so | 09:05 |
| RST38h | Need a new menu for the AlmostTI, the one with TI73 support included | 09:05 |
| phazei | But with GV you can bypass the need for the POTS number and by pass the outbound issue. | 09:06 |
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| RST38h | phazei: So you can't call for free with Gizmo | 09:06 |
| RST38h | Then I do not see how it is better than Skype | 09:06 |
| phazei | Making Gizmo a 100% free solution when combined with GV. | 09:06 |
| RST38h | but you have to place calls through GV site? | 09:06 |
| johnx | phazei, also keep in mind that luke-jr basically hangs around here and bashes the Nokia stuff | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: Skype is not standards-compliant, and has some spyware-style "features" at least in some variants | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | johnx: pfft | 09:06 |
| johnx | luke-jr, tell me I'm wrong. | 09:07 |
| phazei | GV gives you the POTS # for free and when you want to make an outbound call with GV, you type the number in to GV and it will call you and start ringing when you pick up. So it's inbound. | 09:07 |
| RST38h | luke: Well, I compared the call quality, Skype is usable, Gizmo/GV does not seem to be, too much distortion | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: that's probably the software. I only use the service. | 09:07 |
| RST38h | Software...eh... | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | johnx: it's not my fault that Nokia refuses to fix the problems and everyone else seems to assist them in false advertising Maemo/Nxx0 as open source | 09:08 |
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| phazei | I read a review that said it was a bit slow to lock on the GPS compared to a garmin. | 09:08 |
| phazei | Skype has a new SIP service but it's business only. | 09:09 |
| phazei | But Gizmo has a new service that is $20 a year called OpenSky, which is supposed to provide free calls to Skype. | 09:09 |
| phazei | So if I could use OpenSky to forward all my Gizmo calls to Skype, that would be good. Though then I'd be doing this GV -> Gizmo -> Skype thing, which seems like quite the bit of finagling. | 09:11 |
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| * luke-jr glances around. | 09:12 | |
| luke-jr | Did Stskeeps put the duct tape away yet? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | no. | 09:12 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 wouldn't like Stskeeps walking near his streets | 09:12 | |
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| phazei | Does Nokia have any N9xx WiMAX devices in line? | 09:13 |
| luke-jr | phazei: pretty sure they discontinued the N810 WiMAX because nobody has WiMAX service available... | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | so I'd be surprised if they did | 09:14 |
| phazei | Oh, and clear said that all they need is the MAC to get any WiMAX device working. | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | but I think you're only going to get speculation on that question | 09:14 |
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| phazei | With Clear charging along as they are, and all these new 4G services, seems like lots of people will have WiMAX soon. | 09:15 |
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| timeless | "soon" was what sprint said last time | 09:17 |
| timeless | once bit, twice shy | 09:17 |
| phazei | Though I'm not clear on WiMAX and 4G. WiMAX is 4G, but it doesn't seem the other way around. Would the N810 WiMAX work with any carriers 4G service? | 09:17 |
| timeless | no | 09:17 |
| timeless | read wikipedia | 09:17 |
| timeless | there are 3g GSM and 3g CDMA networks | 09:17 |
| timeless | they aren't compatible either | 09:18 |
| timeless | put differently | 09:18 |
| timeless | if you speak english | 09:18 |
| timeless | and i speak spanish | 09:18 |
| timeless | 1g is like ujs speaking elementary schoo (spanish/english) | 09:19 |
| timeless | 2g is secondary school | 09:19 |
| timeless | 3g could bem high school | 09:19 |
| timeless | sure we use longer words and can express more concepts | 09:19 |
| timeless | Hablas ud. espanol muy bien? | 09:19 |
| timeless | Bueno. Podria hablar por muchas horas! | 09:20 |
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| * Corsac wakes up | 09:21 | |
| * phazei wakes up | 09:21 | |
| phazei | If only we had Google Wave Rosie :p | 09:21 |
| phazei | I just read the wiki's for WiMAX and 4G | 09:22 |
| timeless | well, I'd settle for the spell checker | 09:22 |
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| timeless | since i'm typing on an n900 from a bed in Brno | 09:22 |
| frals | god its fucking freezing today | 09:23 |
| timeless | using what Wave would call the "alternate" client | 09:23 |
| phazei | Google Wave also does real time spell checking of words based on context :D | 09:23 |
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| timeless | /ctcp frals geolocation | 09:23 |
| timeless | phazei: sure, is it going to get Brno right or wrong? | 09:23 |
| phazei | Still eagerly waiting for my invite, don't know. | 09:24 |
| timeless | heh | 09:24 |
| frals | stockholm, .se | 09:24 |
| timeless | do you know what Brno is? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | poland is kinda cold too | 09:25 |
| timeless | it's not bad here | 09:25 |
| timeless | i was wearing shorts yesterday | 09:25 |
| phazei | Are you in the Czech Republic? | 09:25 |
| timeless | yep | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we had some scandinavian weather | 09:25 |
| RST38h | (that was done by googling) | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | it's better than helsinki though where you could feel winter coming | 09:25 |
| timeless | i was in slovakia yesterday morning | 09:25 |
| phazei | Yes, yes it was ;) | 09:25 |
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| timeless | wait, is phazei the stupid irc gateway? | 09:26 |
| * timeless kicks the dumb bot | 09:26 | |
| Stskeeps | what irc gateway? :P | 09:27 |
| timeless | you're no Rosie :) | 09:27 |
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| phazei | I'm using the webchat client. | 09:27 |
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| johnx | hey phazei. what did you find out about the wimax available in las vegas? | 09:30 |
| phazei | john, what do you mean by real "mobile WiMAX" | 09:30 |
| johnx | a service that complies with the standard for "mobile wimax" which added cell-to-cell roaming and some other stuff | 09:30 |
| phazei | It seems to be 802.16 | 09:31 |
| johnx | last time I checked, only Baltimore (and DC?) had it | 09:31 |
| johnx | the rest were pre-WiMax | 09:31 |
| RST38h | Moscow has got mobile WiMax =) | 09:31 |
| johnx | idaho? | 09:31 |
| RST38h | Fixed WiMax too, as a matter of fact | 09:31 |
| RST38h | johnx: oh...reminded me something | 09:32 |
| timeless | trials were done in VA | 09:32 |
| RST38h | johnx: On subway once, overheard two girls talking | 09:32 |
| timeless | iirc there was supposed to be a rollout somewhere in the southwest | 09:32 |
| johnx | RST38h, happened to me once too | 09:33 |
| phazei | hmm, as of April 1st it's only Baltimore and Portland. | 09:33 |
| RST38h | johnx: Both american, one explaining to the other how happy she is to leave Idaho for Moscow to work for some Christian missionary organization | 09:33 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Made mental note : "Never EVER go to Idaho" =) | 09:34 |
| phazei | lol | 09:34 |
| tigert | mormons maybe | 09:34 |
| johnx | RST38h, heh. little did they know, they were heading towards the wrong Moscow... | 09:34 |
| tigert | they do those "missionary work in other country" -things | 09:34 |
| tigert | or was this some american moscow? :) | 09:35 |
| RST38h | No, it was the proper one | 09:35 |
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| tigert | ok | 09:35 |
| tigert | its always confusing with these middle-of-nowhere city names in the US | 09:35 |
| johnx | tigert, yup, saw them standing outside in the cold around christmas in Japan. | 09:35 |
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| phazei | I'll call clear tomorrow and ask them about the pre-WiMax thing in Vegas. Vegas is pretty nice to live in since a lot of companies roll out first here. | 09:37 |
| * RST38h sometimes gets bugged by missionaries. They usually start by asking if he knows the name of the God | 09:37 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Do you respond with "Ctulthu"? | 09:37 |
| RST38h | "Yea, it is Jesus, isn't it? -- How do you know? -- Simple, we crucified him." | 09:37 |
| tigert | there's Finland in Minnesota | 09:38 |
| tigert | for example | 09:38 |
| RST38h | That *normally* stops them, although some wanted to continue beyond this point. | 09:38 |
| phazei | RST38h: haha, I have to use that one. Jews FTW. | 09:38 |
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| frals | the good thing with this godforsaken cold is the fact my coke is cold even if i didnt put it in the fridge last night \o/ | 09:39 |
| frals | 10minutes in the window and its good to drink! | 09:39 |
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| phazei | Anyone know if there are nationwide wireless usb broadband cards in germany that I could just sign up for for a couple weeks? | 09:41 |
| pupnik | as a german yes | 09:41 |
| pupnik | and i think i read about prepaid hsdpa data also | 09:42 |
| phazei | I'm just going to take some clothes and a netbook. I was going to use the Google Wave Rosie so as long as I have wifi/broadband I'm good. | 09:42 |
| pupnik | http://prepaid-vergleich-tarife.de/prepaid-datentarife-umts/?gclid=CKGD5aqfm50CFVZe4wodYBhZcQ a prepaid umts chart | 09:43 |
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| phazei | sweet | 09:44 |
| phazei | I'm not familiar with the providers there, do they all have similar coverage? I'm going to be around Frankfurt, and anywhere I can get around to inside of 1-2 weeks. | 09:45 |
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| phazei | I guess I'd be with simply or karlmobil as they have prepaid monthly plans. | 09:46 |
| RST38h | You probably do not have to care about coverage around Frankfurt... | 09:47 |
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| johnx | does western Europe even have the same coverage issues as the US? I kinda got the impression that coverage was pretty universal | 09:48 |
| phazei | Well, the US is usually behind now-a-days. | 09:48 |
| johnx | and the lack of roaming options (GSM vs CDMA) hurts a lot | 09:49 |
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| frals | dunno how it is in germany, but in sweden coverage is pretty much a nonissue until you go way up north | 09:50 |
| adeus | same here in Finland, and even there you have to really struggle to not get a signal | 09:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: Europe is more densely populated | 09:51 |
| phazei | Will all GPS devices still work the same here as there? (I figured they would, just double checking) | 09:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: easier to have coverage there | 09:51 |
| johnx | RST38h, I can't help but think that sharing phone standards must help a lot too | 09:52 |
| phazei | Tons of empty shit all over the US :D | 09:52 |
| phazei | I don't have any cell coverage when I visit my dad up in the mountains in AZ. | 09:52 |
| johnx | there are still really weird dead spots even in densely populated areas here :/ | 09:52 |
| phazei | Sharing? That's just uncapitalistic, how else can US phone companies gouge prices? | 09:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: That is probably not longer an issue | 09:53 |
| johnx | RST38h, I actually just visited a town over the summer that had CDMA coverage only | 09:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: After all, you are not roaming between providers | 09:53 |
| johnx | RST38h, depends on the agreements in place | 09:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: Many spots here have no CDMA coverage | 09:54 |
| RST38h | =) | 09:54 |
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| adeus | I wouldn't call Finland a densely populated country :) | 09:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, leaving/working in a faraday cage does not help reception, that's true :) | 09:54 |
| johnx | RST38h, heh :P but really, it was the weirdest thing to have absolutely no coverage anywhere in this town | 09:55 |
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| RST38h | s/leaving/living mhm | 09:55 |
| johnx | my phone didn't even tell me "emergency calls only" just "no signal" | 09:55 |
| RST38h | johnx: At least nobody can bother you | 09:55 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, and I couldn't bother anyone for directions | 09:56 |
| RST38h | You needed directions? Wasn't any road leading out ok? =) | 09:56 |
| johnx | family reunion (was actually a lot of fun) | 09:57 |
| RST38h | Ah | 09:57 |
| timeless | rst38h++ | 09:57 |
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| phazei | Clear's support chat is so useless, they only tell me their fixed copy and paste responses. | 10:09 |
| RST38h | you are talking to a robot! | 10:09 |
| phazei | They refered me to tech support, heh. | 10:10 |
| johnx | phazei, kinda figured that would be the case. didn't want to crush your dreams though | 10:10 |
| phazei | Well, I can always get their portable hotspot device at least, but then I'd have that and the phone. | 10:11 |
| johnx | or wait and get an n900 :) | 10:11 |
| phazei | I suppose that really opens my options up for phones though, any phone that supports wifi regardless of carrier. Tons on ebay. | 10:11 |
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| crashanddie | phazei, your dream phone doesn't exist | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | phazei, change your expectations or build one | 10:31 |
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| Myrtti | VOI VANUKAS argghghghghghghghghgh | 10:50 |
| Myrtti | this outburst provided to you by: egrep | 10:50 |
| johnx | could be worse. could be sed | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | that too. | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | and awk. | 10:51 |
| johnx | awk isn't too bad | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | I hatez it | 10:51 |
| johnx | though I admit that I stick to grep and cut when I can get away with it | 10:51 |
| johnx | having a problem with extended regexp? | 10:51 |
| Myrtti | I'm having problems with my life mainly | 10:52 |
| Myrtti | not limited to software | 10:52 |
| johnx | "egrep ruined my life" story at at 11! | 10:53 |
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| tekojo1 | Myrtti cheer up, everything will be fine | 10:56 |
| Myrtti | tekojo1: my forehead is just a bit bruised | 10:57 |
| johnx | need one of those forehead protectors, so that when you bang your head into the wall, the wall loses | 10:57 |
| RST38h | thicker tin foil hat? | 10:59 |
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| Corsac | I really love expansys | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | mm/ | 11:21 |
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| RST38h | Ahhahahaha! Found it! | 11:23 |
| Corsac | ? | 11:24 |
| RST38h | Traced test case down to a bug. | 11:24 |
| Corsac | \o/ | 11:25 |
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| phazei | crashanddie, there's always the HTC MAX 4G Quartz WiMAX, but $1K is a bit over my budget for a phone. | 11:34 |
| phazei | And I'd still be stuck with WM6 | 11:34 |
| timeless | someone announced a new satphone net recently | 11:35 |
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| frals | http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/why_when_i_was_your_age.PNG :D | 11:39 |
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| johnx | I'm highly considering writing a sed script rather than actually trying to setup opensync | 11:40 |
| timeless | heh | 11:43 |
| timeless | frals: awesome, and it fitsa my n900 screen | 11:45 |
| johnx | getting address book entries down from LDAP into some reasonable PIM seems harder than setting up the LDAP server was in the first place | 11:45 |
| Corsac | hmhm, it seems to work fine in my evo | 11:45 |
| frals | timeless: :) | 11:46 |
| johnx | Corsac, kinda thinking PIM for the N8x0 | 11:46 |
| Corsac | works fine in thunderbird too, though I'm not sure tb is really a pim app | 11:46 |
| Corsac | oh. | 11:46 |
| Corsac | yeah | 11:46 |
| Corsac | well | 11:46 |
| Corsac | is there any, anyway? | 11:46 |
| johnx | gpe-contacts and pimlico contacts both seem to have the basic functionality | 11:47 |
| Corsac | (is the n900 PIM application available on mer?) | 11:47 |
| johnx | Corsac, not unless source appears after the Maemo5 release | 11:47 |
| Corsac | johnx: oki | 11:47 |
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| Corsac | but it /should/ be available, at one point? | 11:47 |
| johnx | unknown | 11:48 |
| Corsac | ok | 11:48 |
| johnx | I won't place bets either way | 11:48 |
| johnx | ...and theoretically opensync should glue LDAP and gpe-contacts or pimlico contacts together nicely | 11:48 |
| Corsac | I should retry mer, when I have time | 11:48 |
| Corsac | opensync basically sucks | 11:48 |
| Corsac | from my own experience, I mean | 11:48 |
| johnx | I believe you | 11:48 |
| johnx | I don't see any other options though | 11:49 |
| Corsac | there is none :/ | 11:49 |
| Corsac | sync on linux is just... | 11:49 |
| Corsac | painful | 11:49 |
| Corsac | or inexistent | 11:49 |
| johnx | it looks like if I can figure out the config once I should be able to make it work | 11:49 |
| Corsac | well; there's the funambol thing | 11:49 |
| Corsac | syncML servers etc. | 11:49 |
| Corsac | but I don't really like that | 11:49 |
| johnx | what I'd really like is native LDAP support inside a nice lightweight contacts app | 11:49 |
| Corsac | I'm not a huge fan of cloud computing | 11:49 |
| johnx | I run my own LDAP server | 11:49 |
| johnx | out on a little hosted xen instance | 11:50 |
| Corsac | me too, but I'd prefer a local addressbook, synchronized with a desktop, a laptop, etc. | 11:50 |
| Corsac | and sync to an ldap too | 11:50 |
| Corsac | but still have a way to do device2device sync | 11:50 |
| johnx | I don't care how it happens but I'm absolutely tired of not having this stuff all in sync | 11:51 |
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| * Stskeeps glares at 0.16testing6 bugs | 11:51 | |
| Stskeeps | "Yet no locale for Brazil" | 11:51 |
| johnx | Corsac, so was your experience that it was insanely hard to setup or that after setup it didn't sync reliably? | 11:52 |
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| Corsac | johnx: both | 11:53 |
| johnx | :/ | 11:53 |
| Corsac | yeah :/ | 11:53 |
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| timeless | sts: tonight i'll try to update strings | 11:54 |
| Corsac | I had some hope with syncevolution, but it doesn't do device2device | 11:54 |
| Corsac | (and it only does evolution, afair) | 11:54 |
| timeless | do you have any packages that need English? | 11:54 |
| johnx | Corsac, that should work perfectly. thanks! (the pimlico contacts app uses an evolution data store) | 11:54 |
| Corsac | johnx: there's that "conduit" stuff but I don't think it does syncML over bluetooth | 11:54 |
| johnx | I'll use scp from cron if I have to | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: :nod: things will probably align a lot closer to Fremantle once we switch to the new desktop | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | so we don't need to have different sets | 11:55 |
| timeless | eta? | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | sec, have to find my big piece of roadmap paper.. | 11:56 |
| timeless | what's the networking soltion? | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | NM with a statusbar plugin i think | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | we release 0.16 next week and start integrating the new desktop over the next couple of days | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | 0.17 testing week 44, release week 45 | 11:57 |
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| johnx | Corsac, headed to bed for now. I'll see if I can figure out something sane tomorrow | 12:01 |
| johnx | 'night all | 12:01 |
| timeless | and for those of us w/o finnish calendars? | 12:02 |
| sp3000 | you're so carrying one ;) | 12:03 |
| timeless | first / second week of nov? | 12:03 |
| timeless | sp3000: i use my localization to hide most of that | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | 44 is 26 oct - 1 nov | 12:03 |
| timeless | sadly the idiots managed to screw localizers there | 12:04 |
| timeless | sts: really? my tablet disagrees | 12:04 |
| timeless | wait... | 12:05 |
| Myrtti | CHEESECAKE! | 12:05 |
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| timeless | does week numbering vary based on start of week? | 12:05 |
| timeless | sp3000: what does your cal say is wk 44? | 12:05 |
| sp3000 | iso week numbering follows thursdays, not sure if you get the same variant | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | timeless: depending on locale.. danish starts at mondays | 12:06 |
| sp3000 | what Stskeeps said | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 12:06 |
| timeless | sp3000: what does your cal say is wk 44? | 12:06 |
| sp3000 | (about 44, dunno about danes) | 12:06 |
| bigbrovar | i want it now! | 12:06 |
| timeless | sts: awesome | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:06 |
| wazd | Heya world :) | 12:06 |
| woglinde | hi wazd | 12:06 |
| timeless | and this is why wk nujbers are stupid | 12:06 |
| timeless | my cal claims nov1 through 7 | 12:07 |
| bigbrovar | hi wazd | 12:07 |
| wazd | I'm sick of Edge connection( | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you decided to escape from the army into uncivilized area? :P | 12:07 |
| timeless | but if ik change first day of wk to monday | 12:07 |
| timeless | it agrees with sts | 12:07 |
| timeless | wow, that's insane | 12:08 |
| Corsac | sp3000: iso weeks start on monday afaik | 12:08 |
| timeless | ok, i'm so translating "week N" as " " | 12:08 |
| timeless | corsac: who cares | 12:09 |
| Corsac | sp3000 :) | 12:09 |
| timeless | it's not even portable across n900 with the same locale | 12:09 |
| sp3000 | Corsac: sure, but the numbering is "w1 is the week with the first thursday of the year" | 12:09 |
| timeless | i can't think of a less useful shorthand | 12:09 |
| sp3000 | (i.e. the most days of that week, given Monday as the first day of the week) | 12:09 |
| Corsac | sp3000: ha, sorry, I misunderstood what you meant :) | 12:11 |
| sp3000 | but yeah the us version differs, Thu 2009-01-01 is w52 rather than w01 iso | 12:12 |
| sp3000 | well that was unparseable | 12:13 |
| sp3000 | w52 us, w01 iso | 12:13 |
| Corsac | mrpf | 12:13 |
| * sp3000 goes read an exciting book on prolog or something | 12:15 | |
| timeless | how about a book on programming localization coordinators? | 12:15 |
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| * timeless sighs | 12:17 | |
| timeless | the people who "designed" this stuff should be shot | 12:17 |
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| plastun | hello! where I can find API for window keyboard? | 12:21 |
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| wazd | Goddamn | 12:34 |
| wazd | This place is freaking shielded from any signaling | 12:35 |
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| timeless | plastun: api docs are on maemo.org in developer or so | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Wazd! | 12:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: EHLO, something has come up =) | 12:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: Looks like ATI85 menu is missing TI73, should be between 86 and 82 =) | 12:42 |
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| Myrtti | I think it just might be that my blues can be blown away only by a roast beef Subway. | 12:58 |
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| * timeless discovers that this 4wk long summer vacation is in fact only 3 weeks long | 13:34 | |
| timeless | calendaring is hard | 13:34 |
| AStorm | they stoeled a week!!!1 | 13:34 |
| AStorm | ;) | 13:34 |
| * timeless will have to spend a week some time or another | 13:35 | |
| inz | If you take time away from "timeless," does that make "timelesser"? | 13:35 |
| AStorm | hey, you're timeless, you shouldn't care about one week one way or the other | 13:36 |
| range | timeless: Fixed in Harmattan >:) | 13:36 |
| AStorm | range: nah, likely in Fremantle too soon. | 13:36 |
| timeless | range: let's see | 13:36 |
| AStorm | when the devs find out someone is stealing their vacations | 13:36 |
| timeless | the problem was i counted weekends | 13:37 |
| AStorm | or maybe that was a "motivational" feature? | 13:37 |
| AStorm | :P | 13:37 |
| timeless | 4 weekends = 4 weeks, right? | 13:37 |
| AStorm | WRONG. | 13:37 |
| timeless | now you tell me | 13:37 |
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| timeless | i wonder if i made this mistake in previous years too | 13:37 |
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| timeless | i don't care about time, but i like to travel | 13:38 |
| timeless | and rushing through because i'm well .. me, kinda spoils things | 13:38 |
| timeless | otoh, it means i get back relatively sooner | 13:39 |
| timeless | perhaps i can make harmattan less bad | 13:39 |
| timeless | always look on the bright side of a 25% less full glass that isn't quite half empty? | 13:40 |
| AStorm | ;p | 13:40 |
| timeless | anyone here have ms outlook? | 13:40 |
| zerojay | timeless: Dude, at least you didn't forget your vacation like I did once a few years ago. | 13:41 |
| zerojay | timeless: I do when I'm at work... so.. about 2 hours from now. | 13:41 |
| * SpeedEvil reads backscroll. | 13:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | 'luke-jr: the best I've been able to do is record baby heartbeats by folding the stand out and holding the bottom up to the machine speaker' Make sure to wipe first I guess. | 13:42 |
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| timeless | zerojay: if you change the first day of week from sunday to monday or vice versa, does it change "week numbering"? | 14:04 |
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| lardman | afternoon | 14:06 |
| zerojay | timeless: Good question. Hang on. | 14:06 |
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| timeless | i got an answer that implies it does | 14:07 |
| timeless | i think the people were smoking something | 14:07 |
| zerojay | timeless: Yes, it does. Says W39 for today with first day as Sunday, but W40 with first day as Monday. | 14:08 |
| lardman | how are the week numbers calculated? First full week in the near year? | 14:08 |
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| lardman | s/near/new | 14:09 |
| zerojay | W40 seems to be what we're on going by Nokia's internal numbering (going by firmware version). | 14:09 |
| RST38h | lardman: Who cares? They are calculated by HR and passed out to us on little laminated calendars | 14:09 |
| lardman | lol yeah | 14:09 |
| zerojay | Only if you're in Europe. :) | 14:10 |
| timeless | rst38h: i care | 14:10 |
| timeless | because i believe that my first day is sunday | 14:10 |
| timeless | so i want my calendar to show that | 14:10 |
| adeus | hrr | 14:11 |
| timeless | but i'd like to know that changing day of week makes my week numbering incompatible w/ hr | 14:11 |
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| aSIMULAter | north american calendar shows the first day of the week as sunday | 14:11 |
| aSIMULAter | monday is the first day of hte week for other countries | 14:11 |
| lardman | not for the UK | 14:11 |
| lardman | or do you mean in the default settings? | 14:12 |
| wazd | Jesus, I'm in a freaking asylum!)) | 14:12 |
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| aSIMULAter | finland has monday as the first day of the week and some other eu countries | 14:12 |
| zerojay | lol | 14:12 |
| aSIMULAter | don't know off the top of my head which ones though | 14:12 |
| wazd | Freaks all around me, I feel weird) | 14:12 |
| fatal^ | sweden starts weeks with mondays as well. | 14:12 |
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| adeus | the week starts when you have to go to work again | 14:13 |
| adeus | monday | 14:13 |
| adeus | :) | 14:13 |
| lardman | surely when you start thinking about going to work again, Sunday ;) | 14:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: The canonical quote was "Has your ambulance been going to a hospital or to an asylum?" | 14:14 |
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| adeus | starting the week on Sunday os almost as evil as using a 12H clock | 14:14 |
| aSIMULAter | it's related to the christian calendar I THINK | 14:14 |
| aSIMULAter | sunday being the first day of hte week due to it being the day of worship | 14:14 |
| lardman | no, should be the last, the sabbath | 14:14 |
| wazd | Btw, iphone version of gmail can't attach files? Haven't found the button but it's to lame to be true | 14:14 |
| glass__ | wouldn't that be a good reason to keep it last | 14:14 |
| glass__ | yeh | 14:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: And I am forced to asked for an updated to the AlmostTI menu image - need to add TI73 between TI86 and TI82 | 14:15 |
| glass__ | .. and on the 7th day he just arsed around doing nothing | 14:15 |
| lardman | or do we assume the Jews are right there and Sat is the last day | 14:15 |
| timeless | judo | 14:15 |
| aSIMULAter | it's a judeo christian thing | 14:15 |
| timeless | err judeo | 14:15 |
| RST38h | s/asked/ask | 14:15 |
| timeless | typing on gprs on a pendolino is frustrating | 14:15 |
| * lardman wondered what it had to do with the Japanese :) | 14:15 | |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, sure :) Moo btw) | 14:15 |
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| RST38h | glass: On the 7th day He looked at the creation of His, was impressed, and said "Oh, fuck..." and everybody started fucking. | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Moo indeed | 14:16 |
| woglinde | rst *g* sounds logic | 14:16 |
| RST38h | of course it does =) | 14:16 |
| zerojay | aSIMULAter: Hey.. little UI issue. | 14:17 |
| aSIMULAter | hihi what issue? | 14:17 |
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| zerojay | PM. | 14:18 |
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| bigbrovar | Hi guys i just flashed my n810 and am about to update it to the latest release, how ever when i try to install updates am getting this | 14:19 |
| bigbrovar | unable to update 0S 2008 feature upgrade application pacakges mission: preinstalled documentation-rx44 (=5.4) | 14:19 |
| bigbrovar | this is a fresh install and i ahve not done installation of any 3rd party software. or enabled any unofficial repo | 14:20 |
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| vanksi | will OS2008 apps work on maemo 5? | 14:21 |
| timeless | typically one will recompile | 14:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: I've remade theme buttons btw, as you suggested | 14:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: Don't know if I'll be able to show em right now) | 14:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: Wherever you feel like it, send them in: looks like I have the theme maker figured out, more or less | 14:23 |
| RST38h | vanksi: command line stuff should work, the rest depends. | 14:24 |
| wazd | RST38h: Konttori sent me new version but I hadn't got time to test it | 14:24 |
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| woglinde | hi x-fade | 14:27 |
| RST38h | moo X-Fade | 14:28 |
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| wazd | X-Fade: heya | 14:29 |
| * tigert tried out the snes emu | 14:33 | |
| tigert | I wonder if all snes games have 4:3 aspect ratio? | 14:34 |
| tigert | one could make nice touchscreen buttons for the gamer controls there | 14:34 |
| tigert | in the edges | 14:34 |
| RST38h | not really, not enough space | 14:35 |
| wazd | Sure all are 4:3 | 14:35 |
| wazd | They're not exactly 4:3 btw, a bit wider | 14:35 |
| * RST38h tried that approach too | 14:35 | |
| lardman | bigbrovar: did you remove that package? | 14:36 |
| woglinde | re lardman | 14:36 |
| ShadowJK | hm... | 14:36 |
| lardman | hey woglinde | 14:36 |
| frals | problem with having controls on screend would be lack of multitouch, or wouldnt it be noticable? | 14:36 |
| * ShadowJK finds it suspicious that Nokia announces N900 with 10M HSDPA and a 10M HSDPA USB modem so close together time-wise... | 14:36 | |
| bigbrovar | lardman: | 14:36 |
| lardman | did you make a typo? should it have said "missing"? | 14:37 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: It is for those who can't afford the display/keyboard attachments to the modem =) | 14:37 |
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| bigbrovar | lardman: no i didnt , i figured it was because am using an older flash image | 14:37 |
| tigert | RST38h: really? | 14:37 |
| tigert | frals: that too | 14:37 |
| lardman | oh right, so it said blah *mission* blah to you? | 14:37 |
| tigert | frals: though the keyboard is not total multitouch either, as it likely is a matrix | 14:37 |
| frals | ah okey | 14:38 |
| lardman | "unable to update 0S 2008 feature upgrade application pacakges MISSION: preinstalled documentation-rx44 (=5.4)" | 14:38 |
| bigbrovar | lardman: so i guess downloading the latest flash should work, i tot i chould use the older image i have and upgrafe OTA but guess there are some deps | 14:38 |
| timeless | vanski: do ksi: do you have a specific app in mind? | 14:38 |
| lardman | see caps above | 14:38 |
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| tigert | frals: one could do voodoo hacks with resistive touchscreen though | 14:38 |
| RST38h | tigert: well, if you look at any of my apps, they include on-screen controls and run 4:3 games | 14:38 |
| tigert | frals: as if you multitouch, the touch coords will be in the middle of those points | 14:38 |
| tigert | with large area recognized | 14:38 |
| lardman | bigbrovar: well if you flash a new image it ought to just work, but who knows, best to flash the latest avilable one really | 14:39 |
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| tigert | as you can see with sketch for example | 14:39 |
| RST38h | tigert: but you can easily notice that there is not enough space for the virtual "dpad" so it ovelaps the image a bit | 14:39 |
| * lardman heads to the lab to do some work, bbiab | 14:39 | |
| frals | yeah true :) | 14:39 |
| tigert | RST38h: yea the dpad is the problem I guess | 14:39 |
| timeless | re missing package, easiest thing to do is to probably get someone to help you forge the package | 14:39 |
| timeless | lardman: i can't remember where those files lived | 14:40 |
| timeless | were they evil residents of the user's home dir? | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | but even if you delete them I think dpkg would still think they're installed | 14:40 |
| timeless | flashing doesn't typically touch that area, right? | 14:41 |
| timeless | easiest problem is if you flashed w/ rx48 instead of rx44 | 14:41 |
| bigbrovar | lardman: yeah that is what am doing right now (need to give the device out to the brother of my ex -long story- as a goodwill measure to the gods so i can be lucky in my quest for the n900 :) | 14:41 |
| timeless | or something | 14:41 |
| timeless | they're relatively similar but ith different preinstalled packages | 14:42 |
| timeless | dpkg -l *docum* | 14:42 |
| timeless | if it lists 48 ... | 14:42 |
| * timeless shoots asteeple from a pendolino | 14:43 | |
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| woglinde | rx48? | 14:46 |
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| timeless | do as i command while i have coverage | 14:47 |
| timeless | ask questions later | 14:47 |
| timeless | pendolinos in centtal europe have spotty cellular coverage | 14:47 |
| timeless | great views,,, | 14:48 |
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| mvz | to followup on my own question a few days ago, I found a good listing of non-free components: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages | 14:48 |
| timeless | of a military depot... :o | 14:48 |
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| timeless | oops, low battery | 14:48 |
| wazd | n900 has closed components?! | 14:49 |
| timeless | 2g coverage is expensive :( | 14:49 |
| wazd | I wouldn't buy it then! | 14:49 |
| mvz | wazd: apparently so, but excitingly few imho | 14:49 |
| wazd | mvz: everything should free or destroyed! | 14:50 |
| * mvz shrugs | 14:50 | |
| mvz | I just want a phone I can hack on, after too many years forced to be a user only (on symbian) :) | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | symbian is hackable | 14:53 |
| Summeli | RST38h: it really isn't :( | 14:53 |
| adeus | preferrably with a hammer | 14:53 |
| Summeli | I would like hack some memory drivers in the kernel space, but that's not gonna happen :( | 14:53 |
| Summeli | the memory mapping sucks hard in symbian | 14:54 |
| Summeli | all dynarec emus are taking a huge performance hit for that :( | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | OpenMoko is mostly working phone hardware. The hardware is a bit old and clunky though. | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | no closed packages at all | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Summeli: oh, the kernel space... | 14:57 |
| Summeli | I would also be nice to be able to write directly to the frame buffer etc.. | 14:57 |
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| timeless | .. on my phone's battery, and it's either use it or bust. 8m trying for use it | 15:04 |
| timeless | summeli: you enjoy tiggring tearing and device hang? | 15:05 |
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| Summeli | timeless: yeah, i like that | 15:05 |
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| timeless | there's a cool window for killing these devices.. something about the bus... | 15:05 |
| Summeli | I find it worth for better FPS | 15:05 |
| timeless | ok, just so long as you don't share your software | 15:06 |
| timeless | fwiw, q3 looks fine | 15:06 |
| timeless | or runs fine | 15:06 |
| Decepticon | is nokia going to abandon symbian in favor of maemo down the line or stick with 3 different OS's and confuse consumers (symbian, maemo, win7 on the tablet 3g) | 15:06 |
| timeless | fps is probably btter w GLes | 15:07 |
| timeless | deception: you missed s40 | 15:07 |
| timeless | and we're not good at reading tea leaves here | 15:07 |
| Decepticon | s40 s60 and so on | 15:07 |
| Summeli | timeless: maybe I'll have a chance to hack it, when Symbain foundation releases open source package from the kernel :) | 15:07 |
| keesj | it all runs Qt and browsers I don't see the problem | 15:07 |
| timeless | s40 isn't symbian | 15:07 |
| Decepticon | timeless: oh? | 15:08 |
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| timeless | ask wikipedia | 15:08 |
| Decepticon | i see | 15:09 |
| Decepticon | is there a symbian emulator for maemo forseeable? | 15:09 |
| ShadowJK | Summeli, I imagine there'd still be a problem in getting your hacked version onto the device? | 15:09 |
| timeless | ask vmware? | 15:09 |
| Summeli | Decepticon: Qt will be cross platform, so there is no need | 15:09 |
| ShadowJK | heh. | 15:09 |
| Summeli | ShadowJK: I know that it's not gonna happen, but I could run it with TI's ZOOM board, or with some other HW :) | 15:10 |
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| ShadowJK | Summeli, run it on booklet ;-) | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | What's my "Primary community project"? tablet-encode, mud-builder, Attitude, Hermes, ...? Damned summit stuff asking me to categorise myself | 15:13 |
| timeless | maemo.org? | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | That's what I had before; don't want to pass myself off as an employee - but hopefully my name might still carry some weight ;-) | 15:14 |
| keesj | Jaffa: /me just removed "council" and replaced it with MUD | 15:14 |
| timeless | anyway, there is enough hardware crossover, that one could use vmware + open symbian | 15:14 |
| keesj | secondary "hardware hacking :P" | 15:14 |
| timeless | once you add support for vmware as a base hw :) | 15:15 |
| * Jaffa sticks with just "maemo.org" - since the home of the community is my primary project, even if it's entirely off-the-radar now | 15:15 | |
| timeless | did i miss the election? | 15:15 |
| timeless | um | 15:16 |
| timeless | my battrr went from nearly empty to half charged | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we voted in the furry council, or the council with first names as surnames ;) | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | timeless: warmed up? | 15:16 |
| timeless | Sp3000: ping eero | 15:16 |
| timeless | this is red, not green | 15:16 |
| timeless | x-fade: i've been on the same train for over an hour... | 15:17 |
| timeless | in .cz | 15:17 |
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| timeless | brno .. praha | 15:17 |
| jaska | brno needs to buy a vowel | 15:18 |
| timeless | You're not the first to suggest that | 15:18 |
| jaska | i know | 15:19 |
| * timeless misses a photo | 15:19 | |
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| sp3000 | phto you mean | 15:23 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: temp, stopping charging, ... | 15:24 |
| adeus | the road racer Jakub Smrz always makes me smile | 15:25 |
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| sp3000 | heh, brno at least is still pronounceable ;) | 15:25 |
| timeless | smrz doesn't seem too bad | 15:27 |
| Anunakin | what is the release date for N900? | 15:27 |
| adeus | 19.10 | 15:27 |
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| timeless | there's a release date? | 15:28 |
| adeus | I heard that somewhere | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | i thought you skipped it to introduce the Nokia N1000 "Gruntmaster" | 15:28 |
| timeless | sp3000: there's a sms cnter field w. an error like that | 15:29 |
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| frals | release date is october afaik | 15:31 |
| range | Cool, that's today. | 15:31 |
| adeus | wiki also says 19., although no citation | 15:31 |
| adeus | "must be true" :) | 15:31 |
| frals | id go with the "when its done" either way ^^ | 15:32 |
| timeless | has anyone played w/ the n900 @ the nokia store in hel.fi? | 15:33 |
| RST38h | N1000 will be a CDMA flip phone | 15:34 |
| adeus | http://my-symbian.com/other/preview_n900.php | 15:35 |
| adeus | a nice review if someone didn't notice | 15:35 |
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| fragment | timeless: yeah, I went there the day it was available there | 15:35 |
| wazd | Looks like I'm not a psycho after all) | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: mm? | 15:36 |
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| jeremiah | timeless: Whoa - you guys have an actual device in an actual store!? Cool | 15:37 |
| timeless | did they let you play? | 15:37 |
| fragment | yes | 15:38 |
| timeless | afaik there should be one at each of about 5 stores worldwide :) | 15:38 |
| timeless | i think one's in nyc | 15:38 |
| timeless | did anything break? :) | 15:38 |
| fragment | yeah, there was some process stuck or something. the whole UI was almost completely frozen. after a while it started working nicely though | 15:39 |
| timeless | hrm, interesting, did it reboot or just clear up naturally? | 15:40 |
| fragment | it just cleared up | 15:40 |
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| timeless | jeremiah: fwiw, it happened shortly after the official launch | 15:40 |
| fragment | it wasn't a surprise really that the firmware was in that state then ;) | 15:40 |
| fragment | I've been playing with another device at work lately.. no problems at all | 15:41 |
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| jeremiah | ah, okay | 15:41 |
| timeless | as far as i'm concerned 90% of the product isn't a secret because of those 5 or so devices :) | 15:41 |
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| timeless | which week was it btw? | 15:42 |
| timeless | anyway, i'll have access to laptops and stuff in an hour or so | 15:43 |
| timeless | i'll upload my photos, back up my data, and grab a newer emmc+ssw flash | 15:43 |
| fragment | timeless: it was on 3rd of september | 15:44 |
| timeless | two weeks w/ just two n900s and charging cables | 15:44 |
| timeless | you didn't check about? | 15:44 |
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| fragment | hm? | 15:45 |
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| * timeless ponders | 15:47 | |
| timeless | sp3000: speaking of which, is the copyright link fixed? :) | 15:47 |
| timeless | fragent: for the specific image version | 15:48 |
| fragment | timeless: nope. | 15:48 |
| timeless | next time ;) | 15:49 |
| timeless | always do that when you visit things | 15:49 |
| timeless | what win ver, what ie/ff ver, what maemo ver... | 15:49 |
| fragment | I was more interested in the build quality at the time ;) | 15:49 |
| zeenix | hi | 15:51 |
| zeenix | while trying to edit my profile on maemo.org i encountered some serious issue, who should i talk to? | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | zeenix: me? | 15:52 |
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| timeless | file a bug ;) | 15:57 |
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| timeless | x-fade: someone still owes me a privacy fix | 15:59 |
| timeless | i don't like people seeing my last name (-) ;) | 16:00 |
| timeless | ok, 8m in prague, now owhow do i get where i'm going? :) | 16:03 |
| jeremiah | All roads lead to the Castle. | 16:05 |
| lopz | gm ;) | 16:07 |
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| eichi | hello, my internal memory seems to be full | 16:08 |
| eichi | are there some folders, growing with the time? | 16:09 |
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| eichi | or is the only thing, i can do: uninstall apps | 16:09 |
| jeremiah | eichi: Memory? Or disk space? | 16:10 |
| eichi | disk space | 16:10 |
| eichi | what about /var/cache | 16:10 |
| eichi | 18mb | 16:10 |
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| Meizirkki_webirc | Anyone here has Google Wave account? | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mc/ | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Oh wait, wrong url. Right one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/qt_future/ | 16:22 |
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| javispedro | great. | 16:26 |
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| eichi | jeremiah, hello again | 16:27 |
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| eichi | saw only /var/cache/apt at the moment | 16:27 |
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| AStorm | yay, according to that, symbian shall die :) | 16:30 |
| AStorm | from lack of developers. | 16:30 |
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| jeremiah | eichi: Hi there | 16:37 |
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| jeremiah | eichi: Well, aptitude has a command called "autoclean" which removes a lot of old cruft. | 16:38 |
| jeremiah | I'll see if apt-get has it too | 16:38 |
| * jeremiah reads man page for apt-get | 16:38 | |
| jeremiah | Yup - try `apt-get clean` and `apt-get autoclean` | 16:39 |
| eichi | apt-get clear | 16:39 |
| jeremiah | They should remove stale packaging artefacts | 16:39 |
| jeremiah | "clean" | 16:39 |
| jeremiah | not clear | 16:39 |
| jeremiah | :) | 16:39 |
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| eichi | yeah i see | 16:40 |
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| eichi | strange, doenst made much space | 16:42 |
| eichi | less then 1mb and var cache apt is 18mb again | 16:42 |
| javispedro | clean removes contents of /var/cache/apt, which you already did I guess. | 16:42 |
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| javispedro | hm. | 16:43 |
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| Myrtti | ♥ jeremiah | 16:43 |
| Myrtti | closer the maemo summit is, more depressed I am that I need to attend a wedding | 16:43 |
| zerojay | More depressed I am that I can't go despite sponsorship. | 16:43 |
| penguinbait | is it your wedding? | 16:43 |
| penguinbait | heh | 16:44 |
| RST38h | as long as it is not your wedding... | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: 3 day wedding? | 16:44 |
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| Myrtti | X-Fade: it's on Saturday | 16:44 |
| Myrtti | Friday for travel, Sunday for hangover | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: Ah, worst case possible :( | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | penguinbait: no | 16:45 |
| penguinbait | I always think I am being ignored, I must have a horrible lag | 16:45 |
| Myrtti | I had a horrible lag | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | /ping nickserv | 16:46 |
| penguinbait | better than a horrible hag ;) | 16:46 |
| penguinbait | /ping nickserv | 16:46 |
| Myrtti | I am a horrible hag, how did you know? | 16:46 |
| Myrtti | :-D | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | (to see if you have horrible lag I mean. | 16:46 |
| penguinbait | I know I copied and pasted your space the first time | 16:47 |
| penguinbait | <------ lazy | 16:47 |
| penguinbait | shhhh | 16:47 |
| javispedro | *nickserv overloads due to elevated number of pings | 16:47 |
| * sp3000 likes it when debian ships useful config file updates | 16:48 | |
| sp3000 | --- /etc/mysql/my.cnf 2009-09-25 21:02:36.000000000 +0300 | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | +++ /etc/mysql/my.cnf.dpkg-new 2009-09-02 23:52:18.000000000 +0300 | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | @@ -51,26 +51,28 @@ | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | key_buffer = 16M | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | max_allowed_packet = 16M | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | thread_stack = 128K | 16:48 |
| javispedro | debian shipping updates???? | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | -thread_cache_size = 8 | 16:48 |
| sp3000 | +thread_cache_size = 8 | 16:49 |
| wjt | zerojay: :( | 16:49 |
| thopiekar | sp3000: pastebin please! | 16:49 |
| sp3000 | the testing distro, not sta(b)le :) | 16:49 |
| eichi | javispedro, clean doenst do anything, cache folder is big as before | 16:49 |
| eichi | i did not removed it by hand | 16:49 |
| sp3000 | thopiekar: that's not too long. because I say so :) | 16:49 |
| eichi | seems to be a complicated structure | 16:49 |
| Myrtti | sp3000: kittens cry | 16:49 |
| Myrtti | sp3000: it's too long, because kittens cry | 16:49 |
| Myrtti | also: CHEESECAKE | 16:50 |
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| javispedro | eichi: "apt-get clean" should clean everything under /var/cache/apt/archives | 16:50 |
| * sp3000 is really pleased to have that new space that makes the config entries not align, very exciting update | 16:50 | |
| Myrtti | of course apt-get clean needs to be run as root... | 16:51 |
| javispedro | sp3000: your fault for editing config files. you should use ubuntu and let it magically work for you!! | 16:51 |
| * Myrtti is stating the obvious | 16:51 | |
| eichi | javispedro, i know, bit the command need quater a second and doesnt say anything | 16:51 |
| eichi | maybe the maemo apt has removed this? | 16:51 |
| javispedro | no. | 16:51 |
| eichi | yeah, but i'm not supid ;D it did not clean anything | 16:52 |
| javispedro | what it's /var/cache/apt/archives? | 16:52 |
| javispedro | how many *.deb files? | 16:52 |
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| zerojay | wjt: ? | 16:53 |
| sp3000 | you wanted the pastebin, you got the pastebin, in fact the best pastebin in the world, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/673842 | 16:53 |
| eichi | no | 16:53 |
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| eichi | there is a pkgcache.bin file with 16mb | 16:53 |
| eichi | thats the problem | 16:53 |
| javispedro | do you have an apt instance running? | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | application manager, etc.? | 16:54 |
| eichi | no | 16:54 |
| zerojay | wjt: Oh, about Summit... yeah. Combination of work, lack of money, passport crap, a large move to Halifax in a few weeks, etc... | 16:54 |
| lardman | how are you measuring the free space? | 16:54 |
| lardman | this is on a jffs2 fs I presume? | 16:54 |
| wjt | zerojay: that's a shame | 16:55 |
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| javispedro | a 16MiB pkgcache is not normal. my tablet's one is 3MiB and my host lenny's one is 11MiB | 16:56 |
| javispedro | eichi: try "apt-get check" | 16:56 |
| Mek | be glad you don't have the internal maemo5 repository enabled, witht that you have 50MB in total for pkgcache... | 16:57 |
| Mek | s/internal/nokia internal/ | 16:57 |
| infobot | Mek meant: be glad you don't have the nokia internal maemo5 repository enabled, witht that you have 50MB in total for pkgcache... | 16:57 |
| javispedro | Mek: more packages than Debian? O.o | 16:58 |
| Mek | aparently they don't remove old versions of packages in that repo... | 16:58 |
| javispedro | lol | 16:58 |
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| lizardo | hi, just a random question: which simple examples would you like to see written in Python ? | 17:06 |
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| zerojay | wjt: Yeah... tell me about it. I've never been over to Europe... never have the cash for something like that, so it would have been just amazing. Always next year, I guess. | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Desktop applet with contacts on an OSM map please ;) | 17:08 |
| RST38h | What if none of them are around? =) | 17:09 |
| wjt | zerojay: hope so | 17:09 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: hey, looks an interesting idea :) reminds me of those cool Qt examples from Qt labs | 17:11 |
| lizardo | anyone else? it is not a formal poll , just a random question to get the Python + Maemo community feelings on the topic :) | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Simple desktop plugin? Sharing plugin example? | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | deskop widget, I mean. | 17:15 |
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| lizardo | X-Fade: something like http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop or a little more comple? | 17:16 |
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| lizardo | s/comple/complex/ | 17:16 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: X-Fade: something like http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop or a little more complex? | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: That looks reasonable already IMHO. | 17:17 |
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| lizardo | RST38h: I might just ask at another timezone :) | 17:23 |
| lizardo | RST38h: no big deal, though | 17:23 |
| lizardo | (at least for now) | 17:23 |
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| lizardo | BTW, I feel that there are a couple of silent Python + Maemo developers out there | 17:24 |
| lardman | anyone here in the USofA? | 17:25 |
| lizardo | they just learn how to do it by themselves :) but I would like to help those that see Python as a good first language to play with, and just happen to have NXXX around :) | 17:25 |
| adeus | maybe you should ask about the python examples on the mailing list | 17:26 |
| lardman | if there are any American's about, could you send me a barcode that should be pretty popular, something like a can of coke perhaps? | 17:27 |
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| lardman | thanks | 17:27 |
| lardman | s/'s/s | 17:27 |
| lizardo | adeus: sure, I'll do at some point, this was just a small social experiment , I would say :) | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | lardman: http://media.nowpublic.net/images/59/b/59bf80554ef34c402ca872932235c91b.jpg | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | lardman: http://blog.lightninglabels.com/.a/6a00d834517f9d69e201157063df7a970b-800wi | 17:28 |
| adeus | irc is only good for "I want my answer right now only for myself" kind of thigs :) | 17:28 |
| lardman | X-Fade: thanks | 17:29 |
| lizardo | in a side story, I was very impressed that the guys that worked on the first Push N900 demos used Python... I just hope they used PyMaemo packages :) | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Google image search, you slacker ;) | 17:29 |
| lardman | sorry, tired | 17:29 |
| lardman | hmm, didn't match anyway | 17:29 |
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| lardman | not sure what http://www.checkupc.com/ indexes in that casre | 17:30 |
| lardman | finally managed to match something http://www.checkupc.com/product-254315 | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | lardman: This one rocks!! http://www.stylink.nl/images/stories/gespot-interieur/qr_cocacola.jpg | 17:32 |
| lardman | cool, qr code | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | The barcode app on my N95 doesn't like it ;) | 17:33 |
| lardman | I'll see if mine does | 17:34 |
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| lardman | hmm, no wget on device; going to make it hard to download latest version | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | curl? | 17:35 |
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| lardman | hmm core dump | 17:38 |
| lardman | not ideal ;) | 17:38 |
| lardman | will save it and try with N800 when I get home | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | lol | 17:39 |
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| lardman | I've only been testing on N800 and it's fine there, promise! | 17:39 |
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| romaxa | X-Fade: ping | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | romaxa: here. | 17:50 |
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| romaxa | X-Fade: I have 2 accounts on maemo.org, romaxa and romaxa_xz... password from romaxa I don't remember, and using romaxa_xz... | 17:50 |
| romaxa | X-Fade: is it possible to merge romaxa_xz into -> romaxa and move password from romaxa_xz to romaxa? | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | romaxa: No, merging is not possible. | 17:51 |
| * lardman thanks God that his presentation is only 20min long | 17:51 | |
| X-Fade | You can reset your password yourself? | 17:51 |
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| X-Fade | romaxa: https://garage.maemo.org/account/lostpw.php | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | romaxa: And I can delete an account of course.. | 17:53 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, | 17:53 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: BTW, I still have that strange problem: even if I change my main e-mail to my openbossa.org address, it keeps being reset to gmail.com one a few hours later :( | 17:53 |
| romaxa | X-Fade: would it be possible to delete romaxa, and rename romaxa->romaxa_xz? | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: Change it at garage. | 17:53 |
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| X-Fade | lizardo: It syncs from there. | 17:53 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: I did a bug report on that , but no progress so far... no big deal , but my karma will always be around 35 that way :) | 17:54 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: hmm, didn't know about it | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | romaxa: No, I can't rename because it is used in multiple services. | 17:54 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: it would be nice if that information is put on the "edit profile" page in maemo.ogr | 17:54 |
| lizardo | s/ogr/org/ | 17:54 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: X-Fade: it would be nice if that information is put on the "edit profile" page in maemo.org | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | lizardo: We will have SSO soon, so this whole mess is gone then. | 17:55 |
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| lardman | lcuk: sorry mate, bit short of cash atm (what with a week in Europe next week & needing to get paid for conf in Blackpool), but will buy you some beer & food if/when(!) you make it over to Amsterdam | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | lardman, totally understand. hope to see you there too :) | 18:04 |
| * Myrtti huggles lcuk | 18:07 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti :D | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | i got your mail, ive just been out most of the day | 18:08 |
| Myrtti | yeah - email is noninstant media | 18:08 |
| Myrtti | and I hate email myself | 18:08 |
| Myrtti | getting email usually means something is wrong | 18:08 |
| lcuk | theres nothing wrong with any ive had in the last 24hours | 18:09 |
| lcuk | with some of the very kind words and actions its been a bit hard to see the screen at times | 18:09 |
| Myrtti | :-) | 18:09 |
| RST38h | moo lcuk | 18:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you are still going, right? | 18:11 |
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| lcuk | if i get over this hiccup yeah :) | 18:11 |
| Myrtti | I have personal issues with paypal, and I refuse to get an account. I might ask Dunk if he'd deduct some money I gave to him to cover some of the expenses of my forthcoming visit and pop it your way, if he has (as I think) an account | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Paypal is awesome. | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | And sucky. | 18:12 |
| SpeedEvil | So is ebay. | 18:12 |
| Myrtti | I don't use either | 18:12 |
| * SpeedEvil is sitting on a sofa from ebay (well, lying), listening to a radio from ebay, typing on a laptop from ebay, through a DSL modem from ebay. | 18:13 | |
| Myrtti | I've bought a set of stickers for making an UK keyboard to a Finnish one by proxy from ebay. | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | And watching fish that also came from... | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | bought your soul on ebay? :P | 18:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | No, koi. :) | 18:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also bought _lots_ of real hardcore. | 18:15 |
| SpeedEvil | (50-100mm granite, delivered) | 18:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Applications menu" | 18:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Nokia, your strings are beautiful. Don't even let anybody tell you otherwise. | 18:18 |
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| Stskeeps | i still like the Mer... string | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:19 |
| RST38h | How about integers? | 18:21 |
| RST38h | (and, by the way, if you do not like Nokia strings you should check out what Chinese cell phone watch has) | 18:22 |
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| coldboot | Does anyone often get "no route to host" when you try to ssh to your device? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | yes. | 18:24 |
| RST38h | it is power save. | 18:24 |
| Corsac | wifi pm, I guess | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: this is fairly normal with PSM | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: opposite should work fine though | 18:24 |
| RST38h | wake up your device and go visit some web page | 18:25 |
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| ULS0 | anyone knows if it will be realease a new firmware for the N95? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | ULS0: not really our topic here :) | 18:25 |
| Corsac | not sure it's the best place to ask :) | 18:25 |
| ULS0 | sorry, jajajaj i know | 18:25 |
| RST38h | ULS0: Three virgins and 5 heads of cattle of your choice | 18:26 |
| RST38h | ULS0: Usual procedure (pentagram in blood, cacrificial fire at the center, no messing with those virgins!) | 18:26 |
| RST38h | s/c/s | 18:26 |
| ULS0 | jajajajajaj ok | 18:26 |
| ULS0 | lulz | 18:27 |
| Corsac | virgins are overrated anyway | 18:27 |
| * SpeedEvil is disturbed that two of the cattle are not virgins. | 18:28 | |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: What if the device is actually on? | 18:28 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: Oh just wifi powersave, ok. | 18:28 |
| timeless | gan: where's that string? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: basically the client polls the wifi ap for data | 18:29 |
| * timeless arrived at a place with access to stuff and is about to reflash | 18:29 | |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, manual. | 18:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | en_US | 18:29 |
| timeless | ime they refuse to fix anything | 18:30 |
| timeless | but please encourage them to consider being .... | 18:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Page 15 | 18:30 |
| javispedro | those evil miswriters ;) | 18:30 |
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| * javispedro sees the closed source packages tmo thread is still alive | 18:34 | |
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| javispedro | ah, the infrared port is not IrDA. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: we could use a fremantle status area thing for ABL :) | 18:36 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: you mean a fremantle port? | 18:36 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: theres a beta for it | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | actually we're moving to fremantle desktop now, so yeah | 18:36 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: link? | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 18:36 |
| rm_you | I haven't commited | 18:36 |
| rm_you | *committed the code | 18:36 |
| rm_you | cause i've been lazy <_< | 18:36 |
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| rm_you | but you can grab the deb | 18:37 |
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| javispedro | luke-jr: IrDA? n900 manual: http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/Nokia_N900_Rover_en-US_es-LAM.pdf | 18:37 |
| rm_you | it ... doesn't change the backlight <_< for some reason | 18:37 |
| rm_you | trying to figure out why | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | committing code could help | 18:37 |
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| rm_you | lol yeah | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | we will start having fremantle UI in next version so | 18:37 |
| rm_you | i mean, the only things that changed were the UI code | 18:37 |
| rm_you | yeah | 18:37 |
| rm_you | kk | 18:37 |
| rm_you | will get on that | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | sounds cool | 18:38 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: no, link to closed pkg list | 18:38 |
| rm_you | i was waiting till i figured out exactly how i was gonna do it | 18:38 |
| rm_you | cause they aren't really... compatible | 18:38 |
| rm_you | i may commit a branch for ABL-fremantle | 18:38 |
| rm_you | and maintain them seperately <_< | 18:38 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: I don't have a closed pkg list, but if you mean the tmo thread, that does not contain a closed pkg list: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31967&goto=newpost | 18:38 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: thoughts? | 18:38 |
| lcuk | move abl and implant it directly in users eyes | 18:39 |
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| rm_you | lol lcuk | 18:39 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: eating pizza, ask in a bit | 18:39 |
| rm_you | lolk | 18:39 |
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| rm_you | Stskeeps: one of these works: http://flux.myvnc.com/advanced-backlight_0.16-1_armel.deb http://flux.myvnc.com/advanced-backlight_0.16-2_armel.deb | 18:43 |
| javispedro | "Only packet data connections can be used for A-GPS service". Haha. Ha. Ha. .... *sigh* | 18:44 |
| Corsac | that means no wifi? | 18:45 |
| javispedro | "A wireless LAN (WLAN) access point cannot be used for this service" | 18:45 |
| woglinde | hm last evening I had cool idea for localization | 18:46 |
| RST38h | javis: bullshit? | 18:46 |
| javispedro | RST38h: straight from N900 Manual. | 18:46 |
| RST38h | javis: why does my n810 happily use WiFi for AGPS? | 18:46 |
| woglinde | scanning for aps and mark points where you get 5 essid's | 18:46 |
| javispedro | RST38h: wild guess: they didn't want to put a world map widget to select your current location. | 18:47 |
| range | RST38h: Because it has no packet data connections? >:) | 18:47 |
| RST38h | woglinde: You do understand that you are not the first? :) | 18:47 |
| woglinde | rst yes | 18:47 |
| RST38h | range: Yea, that would be a big problem =) | 18:47 |
| woglinde | rst but where are the osm-maps for that? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, where the hell do you want user documentation bugs? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, nevermind. | 18:48 |
| RST38h | woglinde: google for "skyhook" | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Found it. | 18:48 |
| javispedro | "Almost all digital cartography is inaccurate". Thanks for selling it to us a hefty price then! | 18:48 |
| javispedro | s/a/at a | 18:48 |
| RST38h | woglinde: there are also OSS services for that but they are not very numerous | 18:48 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, it's called "User Guide" ;-) | 18:48 |
| RST38h | javis: Do they mention checking if the mapped roads actually exist? | 18:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, have hardly filed any bugs in the past 6 months. :\ | 18:49 |
| javispedro | RST38h: they don't; there's just the usual disclaimer "never rely on this device solely". | 18:49 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, slacker! ;-) | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: this is why you should join me in protesting a closed device | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I blame Nokia. :/ | 18:50 |
| andre__ | well. there wasn't much sense in the last 6 months either | 18:50 |
| andre__ | yeah | 18:50 |
| RST38h | luke: Ok, I will not egg you, will just stare at you sadly | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: if it were open, you could put the N810's wifi A-GPS into the N900's | 18:50 |
| RST38h | Really? In spite of them using different GPS chips? | 18:51 |
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| X-Fade | luke-jr: That would make no sense at all. | 18:51 |
| * javispedro wonders if i "relying solely" in one inaccurate cartography is really worse than relying solely in two inaccurate maps. | 18:51 | |
| luke-jr | RST38h: yes | 18:51 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: the A-GPS is mostly fetching satellite data online | 18:51 |
| woglinde | RST38h I only knowed this from gsm cells | 18:52 |
| * javispedro also wonders if the ir port is fast enough to do at least some kind of slow soft irda | 18:52 | |
| RST38h | woglinde: The location by wifi has also been tried usually on the local scale, because wifi aps change so much | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: No incoming signal? | 18:52 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: ah, that would be quite a showstopper :P | 18:52 |
| woglinde | RST38h hm | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: It states in the manual that it can not be used for irda ;) | 18:53 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: yeah, but I did not know it was a receiver only. Makes sense tho. | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: transmitter only. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, any news on Bugzilla updates? | 18:53 |
| javispedro | er.. that. Sorry ;) | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: That is why irreco works natively this time. | 18:54 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: no receiver means no learning though. | 18:55 |
| Macer | yawn | 18:55 |
| Macer | waiting for this damn touchbook to ship out | 18:55 |
| Macer | and it still hasn't shipped out yet :-\ | 18:55 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Indeed. But it used default lirc, so not really a big deal. | 18:55 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, flooded with Fremantle work currently. Ferenc did some stuff, while I need to do some more CSS stuff... | 18:55 |
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| Macer | lirc! | 18:56 |
| Da_Vinci | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html | 18:56 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: help <_< | 18:57 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: still getting emails every day from garage saying i have a message waiting in the mailing list queue for pyshop, and I can't figure out how to clear it | 18:57 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: have been for the last... year. | 18:57 |
| rm_you | it's annoying <_< | 18:57 |
| johnx | hi rm_you | 18:58 |
| johnx | bye rm_you | 18:58 |
| rm_you | lol | 18:58 |
| rm_you | hi/bye johnx | 18:58 |
| * johnx heads to work | 18:58 | |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Can't you just use the forgot password option? | 18:58 |
| rm_you | i don't think it worked but i will try again | 18:59 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: Hmm then I can reset the list password for you. | 18:59 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: i suppose i should change my "other projects" to stop saying "Mer 1.0" :P lol | 18:59 |
| rm_you | X-Fade: give me a sec I will try it... | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | rm_you: bbl, have to step out now. Will be back in an hour or so.. | 19:00 |
| rm_you | k | 19:00 |
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| rm_you | X-Fade: I just don't see the option | 19:00 |
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| fiferboy | What is the size of XB-Maemo-Icon-26 in fremantle? | 19:02 |
| javispedro | 48 | 19:02 |
| javispedro | x48. | 19:02 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Thanks! | 19:02 |
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| purevol | yo qwert12 | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | Hi | 19:12 |
| purevol | hows it going? | 19:12 |
| qwerty12 | All good here, thanks, how about you? | 19:13 |
| javispedro | hi qwerty13. | 19:13 |
| zerojay | Jaffa: Ping? | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | qwerty13 is dead. :) | 19:13 |
| purevol | it was suggest that i shout you out to do some stuff with android on the n810...im good also thanks..at work but..alas | 19:13 |
| purevol | !seen qwerty13 | 19:13 |
| purevol | no bot to announce that death...sorry | 19:13 |
| qwerty12 | purevol: lol, you really don't want to ask me... Not sure what I was doing in the first place, and I don't really like Android if the truth be told :) | 19:13 |
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| javispedro | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not more resistive capacite crap | 19:14 |
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| purevol | hah, well if you have any docs that would be rad, i would like to attempt to port the OAA version of android over to the n810 | 19:14 |
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| purevol | plus i cant do any android hacking cause where i live there is no tmobz | 19:15 |
| purevol | although i did build eclips and the android sdk, but its just not the same | 19:15 |
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| qwerty12 | purevol: Did you look at the NITdroid project? http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/ - it's probably the most recent thing that there is (and that's not saying much, in all honesty...) | 19:16 |
| lardman | bbl | 19:16 |
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| purevol | yeah i saw that, project looks dead | 19:16 |
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| purevol | i think i may have emailed the dude also | 19:20 |
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| purevol | is there a good document out there, that tells me about the hardware in the n810, and how it system calls are done in relation to the maemo build? | 19:22 |
| purevol | that would probably be a good place to start/baseline | 19:22 |
| zerojay | Why some users want MMS on N900: http://hollywoodphony.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/iphone-mms-penis-pictures-crash-servers/ | 19:22 |
| AStorm | ;p | 19:23 |
| AStorm | WIN! | 19:23 |
| zerojay | :) | 19:23 |
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| qwerty12 | Funny... I thought men with small dicks got the iPhone to try and make up for the lack of inches in some way... | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: The secret is in the iPhone camera distortions | 19:26 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: from what I see, DSME was only even requested for being opened because of things Nokia removed before opening it | 19:34 |
| luke-jr | what was opened of DSME is useless AFAIK | 19:35 |
| rm_you | anyone have any clue how to change the brightness now in fremantle? | 19:35 |
| rm_you | apparently DSME no longer does it? | 19:35 |
| rm_you | need to figure out what handles it now <_< | 19:35 |
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| rm_you | and i guess i'm practically the only person in the channel without a device in front of me to test on? :P | 19:37 |
| Myrtti | no you're not | 19:37 |
| Myrtti | though I have nothing to test | 19:37 |
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| rm_you | yeah, i know... feels like it sometimes tho <_< | 19:37 |
| Myrtti | it's just the loud kids making a lot of noise of their new toy | 19:38 |
| rm_you | I would like a new toy :) | 19:38 |
| rm_you | but i don't know if i have time for it anyway | 19:38 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: no matter how strong the community, it won't solve problems with proprietary blobs | 19:38 |
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| qwerty12 | rm_you: All the stuff taken out of DSME was moved to MCE... A GConf key is watched | 19:44 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: that's it? it just watches a gconf key for the brightness change? | 19:45 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: do you know which key? | 19:45 |
| qwerty12 | The values accepted by that key is the same as Diablo: 1-5 | 19:45 |
| rm_you | errr | 19:45 |
| rm_you | ok no, not that | 19:45 |
| rm_you | directly changing the brightness | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | You'll have to get a device to find out how it does the actual changing :) | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | Yep | 19:46 |
| rm_you | blegh | 19:46 |
| rm_you | yeah | 19:46 |
| rm_you | so i guess my first task at the summit will be *actually making ABL work* | 19:46 |
| rm_you | was hoping to have that done beforehand <_< | 19:46 |
| rm_you | k well, bbl | 19:46 |
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| Sargun_Screen | Ok, so ship date is mid-october now. | 19:51 |
| Sargun_Screen | Is this blasphemy? | 19:51 |
| Sargun_Screen | Yes, yes it is. | 19:52 |
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| Corsac | Sargun_Screen: an actual ship date? | 19:59 |
| Sargun_Screen | Corsac: most people are reporting late october | 19:59 |
| Sargun_Screen | nothing official. | 19:59 |
| Corsac | yeah | 20:00 |
| ccooke | The way this month is working out... I might thank them if I end up paying from November's pay :-) | 20:00 |
| Corsac | expansys oscillates between oct 22 and oct 29 | 20:00 |
| Sargun_Screen | hehe | 20:00 |
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| lardman | evening all | 20:02 |
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| pupnik | evenin lardman | 20:02 |
| lardman | hi pupnik | 20:03 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: well mbarcode decodes it and asks if I want to open http://www.setjapan.com/ | 20:07 |
| lardman | X-Fade: though derf is the one to thank as it's his QR decoder | 20:07 |
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| lardman | anyone seen problems with destroying a gtk dialog? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: blah blah | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: any screenshots? | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: can we just agree to disagree cos it's a colossal waste of time for both of us to discuss these topics over and over again? | 20:14 |
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| rm_you | Stskeeps: yeah sec | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | SDK screenshot is perfectly fine | 20:18 |
| coldboot | Even with power saving wifi off for the specific wifi connection I've got, I can't ssh until I "use the network" on the device. | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: might be an AP device then | 20:18 |
| derf | lardman: I'm actually pretty impressed that worked. | 20:22 |
| lardman | you saw the jpg? | 20:22 |
| lardman | me too, very good work :) | 20:22 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: http://flux.myvnc.com/screenshot05.png http://flux.myvnc.com/screenshot03.png | 20:23 |
| rm_you | looks like crap on the sdk so those are from someone's tablet with the beta | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm, my issue is really if it is showing up in the task area | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | err | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | status area | 20:24 |
| rm_you | oh | 20:24 |
| rm_you | sec | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | and how it is | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to msg me it | 20:25 |
| rm_you | http://flux.myvnc.com/ABL2.png | 20:25 |
| rm_you | that is totally not what the applet itself looks like now | 20:25 |
| rm_you | but you can see it there in the taskbar | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | okay, did you see the fremantle status area? | 20:25 |
| rm_you | ? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | basically when you click the status area above, it pops up something like: | 20:26 |
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| rm_you | http://flux.myvnc.com/ABL1.png | 20:26 |
| rm_you | that? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | but.. : | 20:26 |
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| rm_you | ? | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | have to find a screenshot for reference :) | 20:28 |
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| rm_you | dunno why the sdk has horrible graphics bugs on my computer <_< | 20:29 |
| rm_you | or is it all computers | 20:29 |
| RST38h | all | 20:29 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: having to press on the label to bring up its controls is a little anal (although, admittedly, you don't have vast amounts of space available):/ : Look at the volume control here: http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/scr11.jpg | 20:30 |
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| rm_you | oh, can you AVOID that annoying middle step? | 20:30 |
| rm_you | ahwhat? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 20:31 |
| rm_you | whose app is that? | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | that's a task area from fremantle, with maemo5-load-applet | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 20:31 |
| qwerty12 | All of the applets there are by Nokia, except for the load applet in the bottom-right corner | 20:32 |
| lardman | mmmm, wine | 20:32 |
| unixSnob | summit 2009 registration is closed.. does that mean it's fully booked? | 20:32 |
| rm_you | hrm, so if that is the official volume app? then ABL can go back to JUST being "advanced backlight" instead of "combine 100 things into one" | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: I can't say anything but you'll probably crack up when you realise how the actual changing of the brightness is done | 20:33 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: wait, you know? | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: That's what I'd prefer, personally | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | rm_you: i would write many different applets tbh | 20:33 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: did some looking, but I really can't say anything | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | like, backlight, volume, rotation | 20:34 |
| rm_you | yeah | 20:34 |
| rm_you | well | 20:34 |
| rm_you | no point in volume is there | 20:34 |
| rm_you | the official one is fine | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | could still be good to have a alsamixer type one for mer, or a generic hook thing | 20:35 |
| rm_you | we'll see... i guess i was more out of the loop than i thought | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | heck, i was blind regarding fremantle status area for a while | 20:36 |
| rm_you | i'll give up on having a working beta for the summit, i'll just have to get ahold of a device there and play around for a bit and fix it then | 20:36 |
| * Stskeeps looks at his roadmap paper | 20:36 | |
| rm_you | qwerty12: can't say anything because you don't KNOW anything, or you aren't ALLOWED to say anything? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: rather rude to ask people that question :) | 20:37 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:37 |
| rm_you | well, it makes a difference to how i have to approach things :P | 20:37 |
| qwerty12 | rm_you: the latter. | 20:37 |
| rm_you | srsly? roger | 20:37 |
| qwerty12 | But it's as easy as fuck, believe me | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: we're having 0.17 out in week 45 (testing week 44), with new desktop, so if you're interested in making small useful statusbar applets, we need help :P | 20:38 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: you mean, it would be easy for me to code the changing? or like, it really is easy by default? | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12, then prepare a patch based on the current abl api, so it will be easy for adam to change over when you see him | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | /when we see him | 20:39 |
| rm_you | qwerty12: in your opinion with whatever it is that you know that i don't, is there really even a necessity for ABL to exist? >_> | 20:39 |
| rm_you | lcuk: so you going to make it? | 20:39 |
| lcuk | ill bring it personally... :) | 20:39 |
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| rm_you | qwerty12_N810: in your opinion with whatever it is that you know that i don't, is there really even a necessity for ABL to exist? >_> | 20:39 |
| rm_you | lcuk: get enough donations/etc to make it to the summit? | 20:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | rm_you: You can see from that status area screenshot that there isn't even an applet to switch it from 1-5 :) | 20:40 |
| rm_you | lol yeah so is it like a hardware knob? :P | 20:40 |
| Peeper | When maemo 6 will be released, will N900 be able to update tht? | 20:41 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Fuck, I'd be ecstatic if someone made a simple applet to just switch from 1-5 | 20:42 |
| rm_you | qwerty12_N810: wait, did it get WORSE again? :P | 20:42 |
| rm_you | roflcopter? | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | rm_you: simple status area applet could be interesting really. give it icon and an area to draw into, and simple callback stuff :P | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | so it would be easy for people to pick up on | 20:46 |
| rm_you | hrmrm | 20:48 |
| rm_you | brb | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | like, a bar, a slider, toggles :P | 20:50 |
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| unixSnob | muahaha.. i found a backdoor way to register for summit 2009, and i'm not tellin anyone.. muahaha | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | unixSnob: sleeping with maemo.org admins doesn't count | 20:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | unixSnob: You'll also be chucked out of the backdoor when you go :p | 20:54 |
| * unixSnob makes a note not to put unixsnob on his name tag | 20:54 | |
| lcuk | rm_you, yes thank you | 20:54 |
| lcuk | and thank you to everyone else :) | 20:55 |
| lcuk | i will be coming to the summit \o/ | 20:55 |
| Myrtti | you are? brilliant | 20:55 |
| Myrtti | I was just poking Dunk to put a bit of moneyz on your way | 20:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: glad to hear it. Does reduced funds mean De Wallen is off the list? | 20:55 |
| Myrtti | I'll poke him still | 20:56 |
| lcuk | :$ Myrtti thank you | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | it was never on the list in the first place qwerty | 20:56 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Right. :) | 20:57 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I'll still be awaiting for the chances for after work beer though, and hope that pulls off ;-) | 20:57 |
| lcuk | me too Myrtti | 20:57 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: so don't think for a moment you're through with me :-D | 20:57 |
| lardman | what do you mean, Holly wants to go there | 20:57 |
| lcuk | ive got a lot of people to talk to at the summit | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: wtf, you serious? | 20:57 |
| lcuk | and hope there will be a way for me to remain as active in the community as i currently am | 20:57 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Live blog, please.!I can't go even with sponsorship this year. :/ | 20:57 |
| lardman | yeah | 20:57 |
| lcuk | i feel at home and relaxed here and we get a lot of people started | 20:57 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: she wants to see what it's like | 20:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Maybe she's looking for new ideas... ;) | 20:57 |
| lardman | great! ;) | 20:58 |
| lardman | supper, bbiam | 20:58 |
| lardman | s/m/b | 20:58 |
| lcuk | s/m/b is that something new to do in de wallen? | 20:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | it's missing a "/d" | 20:59 |
| lcuk | zerojay, i have n900 - liqbase has live upload of everything i do | 20:59 |
| * unixSnob wonders how to hack the shared room allocations to room w/ a hot chick | 20:59 | |
| lcuk | i hope to have image upload too | 20:59 |
| lcuk | i need to remember names this year | 20:59 |
| lcuk | and faces | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | oh crap, room allocation table | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | could someone update it so me n sampo are marked as sharing | 20:59 |
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| * unixSnob considers similar female names for registration | 21:00 | |
| lcuk | or gimme link | 21:00 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, with international folks, going on female sounding names isnt right | 21:00 |
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| unixSnob | i'll go as Mandy Olga.. muhaha | 21:02 |
| unixSnob | that'll get me a room w/ a chick | 21:02 |
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| Myrtti | or a kick in the groin | 21:04 |
| * unixSnob packs nut cup | 21:05 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Say that you're transsexual and very sensitive about it | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation#Shared_Room_Allocations ? | 21:06 |
| lcuk | done it | 21:06 |
| lcuk | tis ok! | 21:06 |
| lcuk | cos i had to indicate different dates too i forgot about all that | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | please say I got the right url :-D | 21:06 |
| unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: that's probably the way to get a room to myself | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | ok, I did | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | yay | 21:06 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | unixSnob: ROFL... true, you can't win :( | 21:07 |
| lcuk | its ok, maemo community welcomes those differences | 21:07 |
| lcuk | we are inclusionary | 21:07 |
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| unixSnob | lcuk: but who would have to take a hit for the team and share w/ a tranny? | 21:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk is proof of that | 21:08 |
| lcuk | right now, i will | 21:08 |
| lcuk | i'd rather be in amsterdam with a tranny than at home moping about | 21:08 |
| * Myrtti rolls eyes | 21:09 | |
| RST38h | lcuk<-- apparently isn't sure what he is wishing for | 21:09 |
| lcuk | and the entire community has made it possible | 21:09 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:09 |
| lcuk | just because someone wears makeup and a dress does not mean they are a predator. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: think of it as a tour to do some interviewing =) | 21:09 |
| lcuk | its more likely those that are repressed.. | 21:09 |
| * lcuk is | 21:10 | |
| rm_you | Myrtti: i thought you couldn't make it to the summit? | 21:10 |
| rm_you | can you now? | 21:10 |
| Myrtti | rm_you: I can't | 21:10 |
| rm_you | ah :( | 21:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: you've been quoted. Enjoy :) | 21:10 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: apparently the sum I suggested was doubled | 21:10 |
| lcuk | o_O :D then the hugs i will give will be qudrupled | 21:11 |
| Myrtti | (I'll be waiting for my bank statement with certain fear) | 21:11 |
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| Myrtti | it's not as much as I'd want to but it's an amount I don't need to worry | 21:11 |
| rm_you | lcuk: i will still prolly buy you dinner too if 20 other people don't beat me to it, lol | 21:12 |
| rm_you | and now i need to head to work, bbl | 21:13 |
| lcuk | that would be most appreciated rm_you, as you know i still have no idea whether any of this will work :) but i can at least try. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | cya later rm_you \o and we will get abl sorted for you | 21:14 |
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| rm_you | lcuk: you sure you want to stay in the UK? You could easily get a job here, prolly starting around $60k US, and the cost of living is so much lower than the UK :P | 21:14 |
| rm_you | though I suppose given a choice i'd rather be in the UK than here :P | 21:15 |
| coldboot | rm_you: What country is here? | 21:15 |
| RST38h | rm_you: SOme us cities are pretty decent | 21:15 |
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| rm_you | Texas :P almost a country | 21:15 |
| coldboot | You can easily make 80 or 90k in New York, San Francisco / Silicon Valley, and Boston. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | yep | 21:15 |
| rm_you | though I'm from Seattle, WA, originally, and i prefer it there | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Eww, Texas. I'd take London, even, over Texas any day | 21:15 |
| lcuk | rm_you, i personally have no problems we just have logistics for the kids to sort out. thats for another day tho | 21:16 |
| * RST38h would skip Texas too | 21:16 | |
| rm_you | heh yeah true | 21:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:16 |
| rm_you | TX is only bad if you're in the middle of nowhere | 21:16 |
| unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: it's spelled Texass | 21:16 |
| rm_you | big cities are ok :P | 21:16 |
| coldboot | The downside is you don't get the rich variety of culture in Europe. | 21:16 |
| rm_you | coldboot: yeah and cost of living in those places is like 2-3x | 21:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | unixSnob: Where can I enter? | 21:17 |
| coldboot | rm_you: Just means you have a smaller place and less stuff. | 21:17 |
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| rm_you | I'm renting a two story house here for $1850/mo | 21:18 |
| coldboot | rm_you: Where are you? | 21:18 |
| rm_you | San Antonio | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | scary shit: powerlaunch works with fremantle desktop | 21:18 |
| coldboot | I've got a studio apartment in Downtown Brooklyn for 1800. | 21:18 |
| coldboot | It's worth it though, to be in New York. | 21:19 |
| rm_you | i don't know prices off the top of my head for BUYING a house, but a couple of my friends have recently, and it's damn cheap compared to anywhere else i've ever lived | 21:19 |
| * unixSnob wonders how rent in a stinky republican infested region like texass can be over $1k | 21:19 | |
| rm_you | lol | 21:19 |
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| rm_you | unixSnob: $1850 for a HOUSE. it has 5 bedrooms. | 21:19 |
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| rm_you | we converted another room to a bedroom and we all pay $310/mo each | 21:20 |
| rm_you | but for someone like lcuk with a family the whole number is the important part | 21:20 |
| coldboot | San Antonio's population density: 1,084.4/km^2, Toronto: 3,972/km^2 | 21:21 |
| unixSnob | counting cattle? | 21:21 |
| coldboot | New York City: 10,606/km^2 | 21:22 |
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| coldboot | unixSnob: I don't believe so. | 21:22 |
| coldboot | So that's why your house is cheap to rent, the population density is pretty sparse. | 21:23 |
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| rm_you | yeah, but it | 21:23 |
| rm_you | it's still a big city | 21:23 |
| coldboot | Spread out over a large area. | 21:23 |
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| rm_you | true | 21:24 |
| rm_you | #9 most populous city in the US | 21:24 |
| coldboot | Manhattan: 27,490.9/km^2 -- wow | 21:24 |
| RST38h | mameo.org | 21:24 |
| RST38h | coldboot: people live there? | 21:24 |
| Pavlov | in america, we use miles | 21:24 |
| Pavlov | :-) | 21:24 |
| coldboot | In Not America, we use Kilometres. | 21:25 |
| coldboot | And we spell it like that. | 21:25 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:25 |
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| rm_you | actually, #7 most populous city in the US, this list i'm looking at on wikipedia includes canada, lol | 21:25 |
| RST38h | coldboot: You mean Canada is not America? | 21:25 |
| Pavlov | not America, yet* | 21:26 |
| rm_you | lol | 21:26 |
| RST38h | Send the Marines! | 21:26 |
| rm_you | Canada: America's Hat | 21:26 |
| rm_you | Canada is America :P just not the united states of ^_^ | 21:26 |
| RST38h | tinfoil hat | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Canada: Little USA | 21:27 |
| unixSnob | US citizens like to hijack 'america' as a term for themselves | 21:27 |
| coldboot | With this new health care reform, it seems the US is finally trying to catch up to Canada from the 1960s. Maybe in a decade or they'll adopt the metric system to catch up with the 70s. | 21:27 |
| zerojay | lol, no kidding. | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The US had Bush as their President. Good luck catching up. | 21:28 |
| rm_you | i know :( it's a bit depressing | 21:28 |
| unixSnob | bush's stem cell ban has already been overturned | 21:29 |
| lardman | re | 21:29 |
| coldboot | I'm finding that it really doesn't matter who's president. | 21:29 |
| coldboot | Obama's still waging war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and he's still being aggressive against Iran. | 21:29 |
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| zerojay | It's not that simple, really. | 21:30 |
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| unixSnob | nato is there too | 21:30 |
| coldboot | Specifically the unmanned-drone bombing in Pakistan. | 21:31 |
| coldboot | It's toeing the line. | 21:31 |
| Empero | you can't really just stop all operations in middle east and hope for the best | 21:31 |
| unixSnob | nato would be crushed if the US pulled out | 21:31 |
| Empero | it's a massive mess for him | 21:31 |
| Empero | thanks to bush | 21:31 |
| unixSnob | bush left many messes | 21:31 |
| rm_you | well now that we've started this, gotta run :P | 21:32 |
| rm_you | not that i don't enjoy talking about how fucked up my country has become | 21:32 |
| rm_you | can i just move somewhere else for a while? T_T | 21:32 |
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| coldboot | I'm not sure the "fucked up" part is all that new. | 21:32 |
| Anunakin | I want N910 with this new ARM, http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARMCortex-A9_MPCore.html | 21:32 |
| zerojay | Anunakin: I want a pony. | 21:32 |
| unixSnob | http://bitsandpieces.us/2008/11/07/i-guess-some-things-never-change/ <= great cartoon on cleaning up bush's mess | 21:33 |
| Anunakin | zerojay:http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Apony&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:pt-BR:official&client=firefox-a | 21:33 |
| lcuk | Anunakin, if you wait for the latest and greatest you will never have anything | 21:34 |
| coldboot | hahaha | 21:34 |
| lcuk | there is always something better around the corner | 21:34 |
| lcuk | i know people that even in the last weeks have got themselves n810s | 21:34 |
| zerojay | Anunakin: Ponyism, obviously! | 21:34 |
| lcuk | mainly because they are still kickass tools | 21:34 |
| coldboot | Guys, seriously, wait for the n900. | 21:35 |
| coldboot | I'm playing with it right now, it's an order of magnitude better. | 21:35 |
| unixSnob | the n900 only supports one sim chip.. screw that | 21:35 |
| Anunakin | lcuk: this new ARM, made a huge gap ... | 21:35 |
| konttori__ | Anunakin: I want n910 with that as well! | 21:36 |
| konttori__ | It has enough omph to do some wicked stuff! | 21:36 |
| Anunakin | 2GHz and dual core ARMlet... is very nice | 21:36 |
| lcuk | coldboot, i am the biggest n900 fan, i know implicitely what they are capable of - but if you want a cheap standard stable platform for something *now* the n810 is more than capable | 21:36 |
| Anunakin | I have one N810... | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | thats been the case since the dawn of computers | 21:37 |
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| zerojay | unixSnob: Lol.. almost no phones support more than one. | 21:37 |
| Anunakin | And need some way to buy a N900 | 21:37 |
| konttori__ | 3630 (die shrink of the one in n900) would of course make a nice slimmer device | 21:37 |
| coldboot | Aren't they being released very soon? | 21:37 |
| zerojay | Few weeks. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | konttori__, cool | 21:38 |
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| konttori__ | then again, not having that HUGE camera module would have made n900 already much slimmer | 21:38 |
| konttori__ | (yeah, camera module is really the reason for the thickness) | 21:38 |
| lcuk | you have n900 undressing photos? | 21:38 |
| Vulcanis | if it was any thinner, you would cut yourself | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | konttori__: keyboard | 21:39 |
| Anunakin | Any knows the date of N900 on stores? | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | the camera module is probably only 5-6mm deep | 21:39 |
| zerojay | There isn't one because Nokia does not do that. | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I worked it out, but forgot | 21:39 |
| coldboot | The n900 uses "MicroB" browser, based on Firefox. | 21:39 |
| coldboot | I'm testing to see if it works with extensions right now. | 21:39 |
| konttori__ | umm... nope. But I did get today one final model (so, factory test device) - quite a lot have had those for a while, but for some reason applications framework forgot to order them. blah. Anyway, no more n00 in the movies ;) | 21:39 |
| konttori__ | kb takes space as well. it's that and camera combined. | 21:40 |
| zerojay | Is it actually written on the bezel now? | 21:40 |
| lcuk | n00 is cool tho | 21:40 |
| Anunakin | N00 ? | 21:40 |
| Anunakin | hehehe | 21:40 |
| konttori__ | all models are marked that until they get a number. | 21:41 |
| Anunakin | N00 needs a ARMv4 tel gcc tools | 21:41 |
| coldboot | You can install extensions, but the browser is missing so many things because it's been retooled to fit a small screen, that most extensions don't work. | 21:41 |
| konttori__ | I learned the number only 2 or 3 weeks before launch | 21:41 |
| coldboot | But if you had an extension that did something non-interface associated, it would probably work. | 21:41 |
| Anunakin | huahauhauhuahua | 21:41 |
| konttori__ | (again, most of the people knew it for longer) | 21:41 |
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| lardman | writing web scraping code is rather dull | 21:42 |
| * SpeedEvil nods. | 21:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | And _sTUPID_ | 21:42 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 21:42 | |
| lardman | pourquoi? | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | digikey and tesco specifically here. | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Both to address brokenness in the lack of sort by price | 21:43 |
| lardman | ah, well I'm doing Amazon, upcdatabase, checkupc.com, musicbrainz, and isbn.nu | 21:44 |
| lardman | but sending a known EAN/ISBn then scraping the results pages | 21:44 |
| lardman | s/n/N | 21:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | you've seen barcodepedia? | 21:46 |
| lardman | yeah, already done that one actually | 21:47 |
| lardman | big problem is finding barcodes that *do* appear so I can work out how to scrape | 21:47 |
| lardman | not there, everywhere | 21:47 |
| lardman | tho' Amazon is pretty good | 21:48 |
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| coldboot | How does scratchbox manage to run arm programs without using the qemu processor emulator? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | qemu user level emulation | 21:49 |
| coldboot | I'm trying to figure this out, because under non-deterministic conditions, our build runs really fast or really slow on arm. | 21:49 |
| unixSnob | i would love to get into web scraping.. so much good data out there presented in a lousy barely usable way | 21:49 |
| lardman | coldboot: it does run arm | 21:49 |
| unixSnob | what's a good language for web scraping/ | 21:49 |
| lardman | unixSnob: just sit down with the source and strstr() fn and work out what order you should see stuff | 21:49 |
| lardman | C ;) | 21:49 |
| lardman | python, perhaps? | 21:50 |
| lardman | Perl I imagine | 21:50 |
| lcuk | perl isnt | 21:50 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:50 |
| lardman | I'm writing in C | 21:50 |
| lcuk | isnt it | 21:50 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: What might it be doing when it's not using qemu user-level emulation? | 21:50 |
| * SpeedEvil just uses awk. | 21:50 | |
| unixSnob | i was thinking perl would be the choice | 21:50 |
| lardman | lcuk: ah, capitalisation | 21:50 |
| unixSnob | but I wonder if any languages are designed for it | 21:50 |
| * lcuk uses vb | 21:50 | |
| coldboot | unixSnob: For web scraping? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: probably using native binaries | 21:50 |
| unixSnob | coldboot: yeah | 21:50 |
| coldboot | unixSnob: Definitely Perl, Ruby or Python. | 21:51 |
| lardman | coldboot: some stuff is also provided by the host system, e.g. gcc | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | awk -v RS='<' -v FS='["? | 21:51 |
| coldboot | Stay away from C and C++. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | unixSnob, anything that parses and gives a DOM back from the tagsoup | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ]or similar | 21:51 |
| lcuk | then you can process it using any recursive tree handling code | 21:51 |
| lardman | coldboot: hey, not my fault I have to use C | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | c is good | 21:51 |
| coldboot | lardman: What are you using it for? | 21:51 |
| lardman | lcuk: not worth the effort I reckon | 21:51 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Not for string manipulation. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | web browsers are mostly written in c | 21:51 |
| lardman | coldboot: barcode data parsing | 21:51 |
| lcuk | and they are good at parsing html | 21:51 |
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| lardman | lcuk: yeah, but if you only need a few tags, then strstr seems reasonable to me | 21:52 |
| lcuk | impractical | 21:52 |
| lcuk | because a few tags get changed | 21:52 |
| lcuk | and you abuse | 21:52 |
| lcuk | and insult | 21:52 |
| lardman | well yeah | 21:52 |
| lcuk | and change | 21:52 |
| lcuk | and hack | 21:52 |
| lcuk | and eventually you have a 300tag superwarrior | 21:52 |
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| lcuk | but i couldnt find a decent html to DOM parser when i looked | 21:53 |
| lcuk | i just wanted something like the XML dom tree | 21:53 |
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| lardman | lcuk: well ta the 300 tag point I pass on the maintenance and get someone else to update it ;) | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: firefox extension! :) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:54 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, lol | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | a 300lb gorilla for a quick task :D | 21:55 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, tagsoup? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | lardman, hes right, include microb or fennec as a dependency | 21:55 |
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| lardman | lol | 21:55 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, tagsoup is the description used for regular website html | 21:55 |
| lcuk | its malformed and buggy - due to humans writing it | 21:56 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, it's lib name... | 21:56 |
| lcuk | ahh | 21:56 |
| * lcuk looks | 21:56 | |
| slonopotamus | ouch, it's java | 21:56 |
| lcuk | but its written in java | 21:56 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:56 |
| lcuk | that might be why i didnt follow lead | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | maybe wikipedia page lists other analogues? | 21:57 |
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| lardman | ~lart /www.checkupc.com for not actually finding any of lardman's EANs | 21:57 |
| slonopotamus | looks like not | 21:57 |
| * infobot shoots /www.checkupc.com in the head for not actually finding any of lardman's EANs | 21:57 | |
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| lardman | have to start thinking like an American, what would you upload to a barcode db? | 21:58 |
| lardman | doughnuts? | 21:58 |
| lardman | ;) | 21:58 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, perl HTML::Parse | 21:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: "How to sue and win" | 21:59 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, im with lardman on this | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i use c | 21:59 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: :D | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/phtml.htm lisp :) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | *facepalm* | 21:59 |
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| unixSnob | did anyone research hotels close to summit 2009? Are any known to have good tripadvisor ratings? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | lisp is one of the best multiproc languages tho isnt it | 22:00 |
| lardman | ah of course, computer stuff | 22:00 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | unixSnob: I recommend looking at hotels in the De Wallen region; they charge hourly | 22:00 |
| Myrtti | oh dear jebus and all the saints | 22:00 |
| RST38h | Yes dear? | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, what about tidy? | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | 1997 called, it wants its conference web page back http://www.computerforensicshow.com/ | 22:01 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: I was only going to walk by with my wife :p | 22:01 |
| lardman | I presume that will be the first night outing anyway, who's organising? | 22:01 |
| unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: any around 5€ per hour? | 22:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: and ogling, by any chance? :) | 22:02 |
| lardman | lol | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | unixSnob: sure, but you get less service | 22:02 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: Freshers' week this week, am actually feeling old now (and am married of course) | 22:02 |
| unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: well i can forgo the blowjobs.. just bed and breakfast is all i need | 22:02 |
| lardman | is all you get for 5 Euros these days?! | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I wonder what breakfast is like in a brothel... | 22:03 |
| lardman | iirc break fast is ~12 Euros at the main hotel | 22:03 |
| unixSnob | lardman: it's better than that hotel in the states that offers tents | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe they have a recycling policy... ;) | 22:03 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: don't! | 22:03 |
| lardman | unixSnob: lol | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Dear Sir, would you like our milkshake?" | 22:04 |
| lardman | We used to go to a bar under a brothel in Baden | 22:04 |
| unixSnob | the tent idea was a recession driven.. and supposedly people really do ask to have their bed removed for a discount, and replaced with a tent | 22:04 |
| lardman | very interesting lighting, blue strip lights in the bar, red in the brothel | 22:04 |
| lardman | and they recorked their chamapagne, so I was told | 22:05 |
| unixSnob | i suppose to get the most bang for your buck, you'd get a tent and hire a hooker | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pun intended? :) | 22:05 |
| unixSnob | yeah, someone to hook up the tent of course! | 22:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 22:06 |
| unixSnob | yeah.. that's what i meant | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting thanks. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=337406&postcount=105 | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're going to have bad things happen if they don't support the N900 in Harmattan. | 22:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can only drop your users so many times before they simply stop coming back. | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Nice way to reveal things without violating nda... | 22:06 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ | 22:06 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, cat foo.html | tydy -asxml should do the magic :) | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | s/ty/ti/ | 22:07 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: lcuk, cat foo.html | tidy -asxml should do the magic :) | 22:07 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, it also has C api | 22:08 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: well as Harmattan requires a 3D display, what is one to do? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, ahhh | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hopefully Mer will be sane at that point to take in harmattan technologies to a point where we don't care :P | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: When will Mer be sane btw? | 22:09 |
| lcuk | so pushing a page through tidy cleans off the tagsoup and makes it parsable with standard XML parser? | 22:09 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: when i regain my sanity.. but frankly we're moving in right direction against after everything got turned upside down for a while | 22:10 |
| RST38h | heh | 22:10 |
| * Stskeeps plays with the new desktop | 22:10 | |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk, yep | 22:12 |
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| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, playing with new computer or new Mer Desktop? | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | desktop | 22:17 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:19 |
| AndrewFBlack | why is a guy who doesn't make Maemo themes register a site called N900themes.com and then ask theme makers to move our themes to his site? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | adsense? | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha. Kicked. Your. Ass. zerojay. :P | 22:21 |
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| AndrewFBlack | I tried to tell him I can count the number of theme makers on one hand there isn' enough themes to have a site dedicated to them | 22:22 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffft. :) | 22:22 |
| zerojay | AndrewFBlack: He wants to make cash off of your stuff. | 22:23 |
| * unixSnob just came accross a dutch-only hotel site.. the only english word on the page is "mice"... don't think I'll stay there | 22:23 | |
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| AndrewFBlack | well I better not see any of my themes end up on his site | 22:23 |
| * lcuk gets back to business | 22:24 | |
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| lardman | lcuk: wine? | 22:30 |
| lardman | ;) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | after the day ive had - surgical spirit | 22:30 |
| lcuk | ive barely been still and spent most of the night unable to focus on screen | 22:31 |
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| lardman | steer clear of the meths, the purple dye doens't taste good ;) | 22:31 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:32 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 22:44 |
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| Stskeepz | moo wazd | 22:46 |
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| wazd | Heya all, back at last) | 22:47 |
| Stskeepz | :) | 22:48 |
| wazd | Tomorrow is the day?) | 22:49 |
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| Stskeepz | for getting out of military? :P | 22:49 |
| wazd | Hah, hope to finish it this year)) | 22:49 |
| lcuk | the day the military goes live with wazd designed rifles | 22:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: hello kitty edition) | 22:50 |
| lcuk | lol knowing your style sense.. :P | 22:51 |
| * unixSnob wonders if there are any good IV bars in amsterdam | 22:51 | |
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| wazd | I'd suggest "Vandersexxx"))) | 22:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Do you get a free T-Shirt? | 22:52 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: sure :P | 22:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 22:53 |
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| JamieBennett | :P | 22:56 |
| JamieBennett | Start as you mean to go on :) | 22:56 |
| Stskeepz | moo? :P | 22:58 |
| Stskeepz | bacon? | 22:58 |
| Stskeepz | :P | 22:58 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, if you are part northern, and part southern - does that make you *arghhh* a brummie? | 22:58 |
| wazd | Stskeepz: I do my best to finish most parts of the theme today | 22:59 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: Don't you dare say that! Remember I'm 6ft 4", 17 stone of ex-rugby player ! | 22:59 |
| JamieBennett | ;) | 22:59 |
| Stskeepz | wazd: k - no rush, i just need a basic theme by summit | 22:59 |
| JamieBennett | and coming to the summit :) | 23:00 |
| wazd | Stskeepz: tough challenge without internets, device and theme maker) | 23:00 |
| Stskeepz | wazd: yeah | 23:00 |
| lcuk | haha | 23:00 |
| JamieBennett | hows things lcuk? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | wazd, shout if you need help - talk to andrew too | 23:01 |
| lcuk | JamieBennett, overwrought is one word :) | 23:01 |
| AndrewFBlack | wazd, I can put my current diablo theme on hold and help you if needed wazd | 23:01 |
| lcuk | astounded by the generosity of others. | 23:01 |
| JamieBennett | lcuk: maybe contract work to tied you over? I did 2 months of *spit* iphone development to "pay the bills" | 23:02 |
| lcuk | and remarkably privileged to be a member of such a decent community | 23:02 |
| lcuk | we shall see what comes | 23:02 |
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| wazd | AndrewFBlack: I'm not sure you can, since I'm almost offline | 23:02 |
| JamieBennett | ooh, do tell :) | 23:02 |
| lcuk | ive had a great many leads over hte last 24hours and know a lot of people to speak to | 23:02 |
| JamieBennett | PM of course ;) | 23:02 |
| AndrewFBlack | why are you offline? | 23:02 |
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| wazd | AndrewFBlack: moved to new appartments - no connection here | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: run a cable from your old place | 23:04 |
| lcuk | wazd, red cross parcels! | 23:04 |
| AndrewFBlack | wazd, that sucks | 23:04 |
| lcuk | we will literally put a file into a cake for you | 23:04 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: hmm, nice idea :) | 23:05 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: but KGB will ask questions bout 10km cable :) | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, that's simple: "Do not touch if you value your balls" :p | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | "donttouchtheinternetimdownloadingporn" | 23:07 |
| lcuk | errr themes | 23:07 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:07 |
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| wazd | any news on n900 developer program?) I'm not cool enough to get it for free but my cellphone is dying( | 23:16 |
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| JamieBennett | wadz: I'm looking to that too | 23:18 |
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| Firebird | anyone have any idea where wireless network keys are stored on the tablet? | 23:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GConf, look in /system/connectivity/<somewhere> | 23:21 |
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| Firebird | thanks qwerty12_N810 | 23:22 |
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