| wazd | RST38h: got it, thanks a lot | 00:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, if only tasers worked over the internet. | 00:01 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile, how do I fix the memory bus conflict problem in software? | 00:01 |
| Myrtti | and to think this is about the only dedicated audiobook player with a gui for linux | 00:01 |
| Myrtti | seriously, this is sad. | 00:01 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: no, really, everyone would be dead no | 00:01 |
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| AStorm | (now | 00:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, and? :D | 00:02 |
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| AStorm | being alone on the internet is not fun | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, honestly, the best audiobook interface I've ever used is still a tape deck. :\ | 00:02 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: I prefer random-access devices | 00:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | AStorm, so do I, but cassette tapes are disturbingly effective for audiobooks. | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every digital player I've ever tried has sucked. | 00:03 |
| hooey | Where are the maemo icons on the device? | 00:03 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: mrh. About the best I've used is the Nokia Audiobook player for s60, and it uses awb-wb :-( | 00:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | hooey, /usr/share/icons | 00:04 |
| Myrtti | (apart from cassettes, which do rock, really) | 00:04 |
| keesj | pupnik: ping | 00:04 |
| AStorm | Myrtti: amr-wb you mean | 00:04 |
| Myrtti | ah, yes | 00:04 |
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| Myrtti | and encoding to that format is, let me tell you, SHIT | 00:04 |
| coldboot | I fucking hate busybox find... | 00:04 |
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| Myrtti | oh, yes, it also requires an index file | 00:05 |
| Myrtti | in utf-16 format or something | 00:05 |
| AStorm | ugh | 00:06 |
| AStorm | they could do better by adopting speex | 00:06 |
| Myrtti | I have a bash script that does the job, but I needed to make it poll for processor temp and make it sleep so I wouldn't fry my computer :-D | 00:06 |
| AStorm | and supporting mp3 at least | 00:06 |
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| Myrtti | AStorm: the point of the amr-wb is that it takes less space, which I can kinda appreciate | 00:06 |
| AStorm | and using an available playlist format, like pls or m3u... maybe cue | 00:06 |
| AStorm | true, but it shouldn't be required | 00:07 |
| Myrtti | but - the s60 app has a) bookmarks b) resume on play c) sleep timer d) keyboard shortcuts e) bookmarks | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | and did I mention | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | f) bookmarks | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | also, sleep timer | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | # index must be in little endian UTF-16 unicode format | 00:10 |
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| pupnik | keesj pong | 00:14 |
| RST38h | Ok, adding NOPs fixes the memory bus conflict | 00:14 |
| RST38h | How sweet... | 00:14 |
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| pupnik | what u doing rst38h? | 00:16 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: copying pixels to a buffer in sdram, not the fb0 | 00:18 |
| RST38h | on a Sigmatel chip | 00:18 |
| pupnik | ah | 00:18 |
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| pupnik | gfx uses shared memory? | 00:18 |
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| Jaffa | pvanhoof: ping | 00:21 |
| javispedro | oh, pixel doubled openttd is actually semiplayable :S | 00:28 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Well it DMAs from the same SDRAM chip | 00:28 |
| RST38h | javis: cooooooooool | 00:28 |
| RST38h | pupnik: But the memory controller should take care of that, and it does not | 00:28 |
| javispedro | (currently using Xsp though, still have to look at your scaler ;) ) | 00:28 |
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| orangey | hello all! | 00:29 |
| orangey | is the release date for the n900 still 1 oct? | 00:30 |
| orangey | I heard it was pushed back to 10 oct | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | orangey, there is no release date. | 00:30 |
| orangey | GeneralAntilles: what does that mean? | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | orangey, no date has been announced. | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll ship when it ships. | 00:30 |
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| orangey | how dependable : ) | 00:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Typical, mostly. | 00:31 |
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| * Jaffa gives up on google-album-art-downloader for the evening. It *should* work better, if only I could get it talking to the interwebs. | 00:49 | |
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| wazd | looks like devastating maemo5 review from Eldar is not going to be released :) | 01:03 |
| javispedro | large amounts of money and blood involved no doubt | 01:04 |
| wazd | not sure bout money :) | 01:05 |
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| ccooke | wazd: not? What a shame. I was so looking forward to more of his 'journalism'. | 01:12 |
| pupnik | is that his real name or is he a rolÃe-playing nerd? | 01:12 |
| ccooke | pupnik: indeterminate. He appears to be Russian and I *have* heard that as a Russian name. That does not mean it's a real name... | 01:14 |
| ccooke | s/a real name/his real name/ | 01:14 |
| infobot | ccooke meant: pupnik: indeterminate. He appears to be Russian and I *have* heard that as a Russian name. That does not mean it's his real name... | 01:14 |
| ccooke | argh! | 01:14 |
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| * ccooke is not used to bots helping out with substitutions :-) | 01:14 | |
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| wazd | ccooke: well, not today apparently :) | 01:15 |
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| ccooke | wazd: ah, well | 01:20 |
| * ccooke wonders how compliant the infobot's regex substitution is | 01:21 | |
| ccooke | s/wonders.*/tests &/ | 01:22 |
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| zerojay | Jaffa: Worked fine for me. | 01:22 |
| ccooke | Answer: Not very :-) | 01:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ccooke, it doesn't work with actions. | 01:23 |
| ccooke | ahhh | 01:23 |
| ccooke | Hmm. That would take actual coding to special case. How interesting. | 01:23 |
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| ccooke | Altgh you'd have to special-case it anyway to make it look decent. | 01:24 |
| ccooke | IRC is such a cobbled-together system :-) | 01:25 |
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| ShadowJK | A lot nicer than many other 1989 era protocols :) | 01:26 |
| lardman | why am I getting an undefined reference to a function that is in the module in question? | 01:28 |
| lardman | camera.o: In function `analyse_image.0':camera.c:(.text+0xa60): undefined reference to `batoo_analyse_image' | 01:28 |
| ccooke | lardman: your code or someone else's? | 01:29 |
| lardman | mine | 01:29 |
| lardman | the function is declared just down from where it's called, is prototyped in the header | 01:30 |
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| ccooke | ShadowJK: the only real problem is the IRC protocol itself defines only a text conduit, nothing more. | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 01:31 |
| ccooke | ShadowJK: and people pretty much automatically use more than that if they can. Hence CTCP. | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | and other cuteness, like the maximum message length being equal to minimum MTU :) | 01:31 |
| ccooke | CTCP amuses me: It's a reasonably clean way to implement a very flexible and good system with a mildly nasty encoding. | 01:32 |
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| lardman | hmm, missed a bracket in one place, had an extra elsewhere, lucky or not, that it compiled ok that way | 01:43 |
| lardman | bed time, night all | 01:44 |
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| wazd | damn, Eldar is really stupid as I see | 01:45 |
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| zerojay | lol | 01:45 |
| wazd | I told him 5 times that I'm not working for Nokia or maemo Team | 01:45 |
| zerojay | "Yeah, yeah... I've got the latest version of the firmware... it's from a month and a half ago!" | 01:46 |
| wazd | and he keeps telling me that I am | 01:46 |
| jaem_N810 | :S | 01:46 |
| wazd | He misquoted me and mede it look like I'm talking from the Maemo Developement Team POV | 01:47 |
| zerojay | Where? | 01:47 |
| jaem_N810 | is this a new article? | 01:47 |
| wazd | I'm trying to tell him that I'm not but... | 01:47 |
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| wazd | well, random thoughts, nothing serious | 01:47 |
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| zerojay | twitter? | 01:48 |
| wazd | no, lj | 01:48 |
| zerojay | Good ole lj. | 01:49 |
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| zerojay | I haven't used it in a while... think my account dates back to 2001. | 01:50 |
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| zerojay | Kind of stopped using it when those Russians bought it (no offense). | 01:51 |
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| zerojay | All the ads all over the place sicken me. | 01:51 |
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| pupnik | what is lj? | 01:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Live Journal | 01:52 |
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| zerojay | I've been on that site for so long but never knew it had such a huge Russian population until it was bought this year. | 01:57 |
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| wazd | weird weird world: who knew that best and legit anti-spyware tool will be called "Super Anti Spyware" | 02:00 |
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| lbt | lcuk: takeoff happened | 02:03 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: ping | 02:08 |
| javispedro | erm. openttd is 8bpp. | 02:08 |
| pupnik | so? | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | good question. | 02:10 |
| VDVsx_ | wazd, looks like Eldar just released the maemo5 review ;) | 02:11 |
| javispedro | urrrrrrrrrrrl | 02:11 |
| VDVsx_ | aahhah: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/contacts/cont04.jpg | 02:11 |
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| VDVsx_ | javispedro, he have your SW installed ;) | 02:11 |
| javispedro | glad to know I contributed into his perceived unstability! | 02:11 |
| VDVsx_ | javispedro, russian version only: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-maemo5.shtml | 02:11 |
| VDVsx_ | his calendar tasks are so funny, lol | 02:12 |
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| zerojay | javispedro: lol | 02:13 |
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| zerojay | There a pic of what firmware he's on? ;) | 02:14 |
| VDVsx_ | zerojay, he covered that everywhere, why ? lolol | 02:16 |
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| * javispedro lols at battery low warning in review | 02:17 | |
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| javispedro | or worries. whatever. | 02:18 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, best one: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/calendar/cal11.jpg | 02:19 |
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| javispedro | heh. | 02:20 |
| javispedro | looks usable. | 02:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What a child. | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/calendar/cal15.jpg | 02:21 |
| VDVsx | hihihi | 02:22 |
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| * VDVsx notices that Elder don't has Quim's number :P | 02:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn browser fullscreen button. | 02:24 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:27 |
| Macer | mediaportal has an "isdn caller id" plugin | 02:27 |
| Macer | i'm curious as to how many people are left with isdn | 02:27 |
| Firebird | is the display brightness missing from the panel or am I blind... | 02:29 |
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| Macer | in maemo? | 02:31 |
| Macer | should be there. otherwise you can add it | 02:32 |
| Macer | or use advanced backlight | 02:32 |
| Firebird | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/russian-screenshots/localization1.jpg | 02:32 |
| VDVsx | Firebird, http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/maemo-screenshots/other114.jpg | 02:32 |
| Firebird | VDVsx, that looks like the one from the control panel | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: it's quite popular in some countries, with IDSN under ADSL available | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: it's got lots more features than your normal analogue phoneline | 02:33 |
| Firebird | I'm talking about the one in the panel which you can change with.. two clicks? | 02:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | doh... an N810 is $500 now on amazon.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ng9k7k | 02:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | they're getting more expensive now? | 02:33 |
| VDVsx | Firebird, yes, I think isn't present the panel | 02:33 |
| VDVsx | *in the panel | 02:34 |
| andre__ | ridiculous price | 02:34 |
| Macer | $500? | 02:34 |
| Macer | wimax edition? | 02:34 |
| Macer | i know the wimax editions were a little crazy for some reason on amazon | 02:34 |
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| Macer | i got my n810 on amazon for around 200 not too long ago | 02:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | used ones start at $210 there | 02:34 |
| Macer | CutMeOwnThroat: mine was new | 02:35 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't see anything about wimax | 02:35 |
| Macer | odd that they seem to be going up in price | 02:35 |
| Macer | supply and demand i suppose | 02:35 |
| Firebird | wimax edition is $410 on amazon | 02:35 |
| Macer | Firebird: hm... | 02:35 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see that at all at amazon | 02:35 |
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| Firebird | though... all used :o | 02:35 |
| Macer | wow | 02:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, now I find it | 02:36 |
| Macer | they sure are 500 | 02:36 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 02:36 |
| Macer | what the hell is going on? did someone figure out they can hack wifi signals with an n810 or something? | 02:37 |
| Macer | haha | 02:37 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | but then... wow Nokia N810 Armor Case - The Metal Case (Metallic Silver) | 02:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yay | 02:37 |
| Macer | yeah | 02:37 |
| Macer | i was going to get one but didn't | 02:37 |
| Macer | i'd rather get a skin if i can. i usually am very careful with my n810 | 02:37 |
| Macer | the thing is amazingly scratch resistant as far as teh screen goes | 02:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | water and air-tight titanium-nanotube-diamond alloy | 02:38 |
| Macer | n800 wasn't nearly as good of a screen | 02:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | (we wish) | 02:38 |
| Macer | haha | 02:38 |
| Macer | gravity repulsor that stops it in mid air from hitting the ground? :) | 02:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah | 02:38 |
| Firebird | scratch resistant? My stylus scratched my screen >_> | 02:38 |
| Macer | er | 02:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and draws energy from surrounding air to recharge it | 02:39 |
| Macer | that's what you get for pecking in anger :) | 02:39 |
| Firebird | though, my new screen still has the packaging protector on it | 02:39 |
| Macer | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. heard that was going to be an n900 feature | 02:39 |
| Macer | oh wait.. i mean openpandora | 02:39 |
| Macer | :) | 02:39 |
| Macer | my bad | 02:39 |
| Macer | Firebird: usually i get the protector | 02:39 |
| Macer | for some reason nokia sticks a sticker on the stock one | 02:40 |
| Firebird | I haven't bothered getting it yet | 02:40 |
| Macer | bastards | 02:40 |
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| Firebird | I've gotten the screen replaced three times already | 02:40 |
| Macer | wtf dude? | 02:40 |
| Firebird | flex print broke 3 times | 02:40 |
| Macer | when watching the porn on the n810.. you can't literally shove your penis into it :) | 02:40 |
| Firebird | ... | 02:40 |
| Macer | holographic vagina producer is still undeveloped | 02:41 |
| Firebird | maybe I opened the slide too many times... | 02:41 |
| Macer | maybe with .0000013.2.1.3b | 02:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well... guess I'm looking forward to selling the N810 for twice the price I bought it if this trend continues | 02:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | "and you don't mind the screen is a little bit smashed in, do you?" | 02:41 |
| Macer | haha | 02:42 |
| Macer | wonder if people are buying them | 02:42 |
| Macer | for such a high price.. there has to be a catch | 02:42 |
| Macer | you will wind up selling it and find out an astroid is about to hit the earth and only people with n810s are given space in the bunkers to save humanity | 02:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well | 02:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'm prepared to take THAT risk | 02:43 |
| Macer | :) | 02:44 |
| Macer | oooook | 02:44 |
| Macer | but don't say i didn't warn you | 02:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I guess I won't have the opportunity... | 02:44 |
| Macer | then again. a lot of people probably buy them as a car gadget | 02:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | being hit be the asteroid and all | 02:44 |
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| Macer | i originally bought mine for the car but got sucked into actually using it | 02:44 |
| Macer | heh | 02:44 |
| Firebird | and if the asteroid destroys the planet, will the n810s turn into space survival kits? | 02:44 |
| Macer | Firebird: no. the aliens teleport you away to paradise | 02:45 |
| Macer | :-P | 02:45 |
| Macer | because only the smart people have n810s | 02:45 |
| Macer | the rest are worth letting die | 02:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | Firebird, think "undocumented features" | 02:45 |
| Macer | CutMeOwnThroat: you don't really think that "disabled 3D gpu" is really what they say it is do you? | 02:46 |
| Macer | it's the teleportation transceiver | 02:46 |
| * javispedro reads disabled 3d gpu and cries, again | 02:46 | |
| Macer | just make sure your battery isn't dead when the end is near | 02:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | did you install the extra-software that lets you have the N810 make you invisible? | 02:46 |
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| Macer | CutMeOwnThroat: no. ran out of space on the SD | 02:47 |
| Macer | invisible 1.0e takes up too much space.. have to wait til i get a 1TB SD in it | 02:47 |
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| Macer | javispedro: haha.. it's ok | 02:48 |
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| Macer | when you get the n900 you can use it ;) | 02:48 |
| javispedro | :'( | 02:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | up to now it seems the n900 is persistently invisible itself... | 02:48 |
| Macer | you can always preorder a touchbook | 02:48 |
| Macer | and wait until it is obsolete to get it | 02:48 |
| Macer | like i am | 02:48 |
| javispedro | I could always just play with my computer's gpu | 02:48 |
| Macer | although i was going ot get an n900 also | 02:48 |
| javispedro | :) | 02:48 |
| Macer | javispedro: yeah that too.. but you can't lug a computer around | 02:49 |
| Macer | well.. i guess with a car battery and dc to ac converter anything is possible | 02:49 |
| Macer | ever see serial experiment lain? | 02:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, kindle would have been an alternative if I'd have figured soon enough it also runs linux | 02:49 |
| Macer | with the dude who has all that crap strapped onto his back walking around online all the time | 02:49 |
| Macer | CutMeOwnThroat: haha | 02:49 |
| Macer | what type of hardware does a kindle use? | 02:50 |
| Macer | my mother has one | 02:50 |
| Macer | it doesn't look like it's much of a beast | 02:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle | 02:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | CPU: Freescale 532 MHz, ARM-11 | 02:50 |
| javispedro | way too expensive | 02:50 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | $300? | 02:51 |
| javispedro | er.. which one? | 02:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | dunno :) | 02:51 |
| javispedro | the newest one costed nearlt $500 iirc | 02:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | 1, 2\ | 02:51 |
| javispedro | i don't know if previous models are 530Mhz | 02:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | according to wikipedia article | 02:51 |
| javispedro | a | 02:51 |
| Macer | Freescale 532 MHz, ARM-11 | 02:51 |
| Macer | woah | 02:52 |
| Macer | wtf? | 02:52 |
| Macer | that's faster than an n810 | 02:52 |
| Macer | heh | 02:52 |
| javispedro | the 32 MiB of RAM may be quite a handicap | 02:52 |
| Macer | yeah | 02:52 |
| Macer | too bad | 02:52 |
| Macer | but then again it's just for reading books so ... :) | 02:52 |
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| Macer | bbl | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really slow for being 532MHz. | 02:52 |
| mavhc | why so much cpu? | 02:54 |
| javispedro | probably to decode pdf pages before the eink screen refreshes | 02:54 |
| mavhc | unless eink needs cpu to control it | 02:55 |
| javispedro | it does not, it has its own controller | 02:55 |
| javispedro | but pdf decoding is slow | 02:55 |
| javispedro | now rescaling | 02:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | guess a device with emdebian would be nice... should give you kind of easy access to the full debian repository | 02:55 |
| javispedro | that, or maybe running the java based mobipocket software | 02:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | or maybe not... hard to tell yet | 02:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | aw, well in a couple of years we'll just shove a 500 GB SD card in and not complain that there's not enough space on the device | 02:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | s/not// | 02:58 |
| infobot | CutMeOwnThroat meant: aw, well in a couple of years we'll just shove a 500 GB SD card in and complain that there's not enough space on the device | 02:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thanks, infobot | 02:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly s/not/still/ | 02:59 |
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| Macer | eink | 03:01 |
| Macer | haha | 03:01 |
| Macer | i'm more curious as to how they get the silver thing on the side | 03:01 |
| * Macer wants metalic silver on his n810 screen | 03:02 | |
| Macer | it doesn't really flip the pages all that fast either | 03:02 |
| Macer | takes like a couple seconds to fetch and redraw | 03:02 |
| mavhc | I'd rather buy books than license them | 03:03 |
| Macer | isn't it the same thing as buying them? | 03:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I'd miss the IR diodes on the N810 to switch channels on TV... if I had a TV | 03:03 |
| Macer | i mean the first one has an sd | 03:03 |
| mavhc | no, I can sell my books | 03:03 |
| Macer | it acts as a remote? | 03:03 |
| Macer | i never did that with my n810 | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, N810 has IR? | 03:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | and the laser-cutter for slicing bread | 03:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | no! | 03:04 |
| Macer | oh | 03:04 |
| Macer | haha | 03:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but the N900 will have all that and more | 03:04 |
| Macer | the ir sounded plausable | 03:04 |
| Macer | slicing bread? | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. | 03:04 |
| Macer | who needs to do that nowadays? :) | 03:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, slice people then | 03:05 |
| Macer | are we back in the 1940s? | 03:05 |
| Macer | ok. that makes a little more sense. but then people would need firearms cards for them | 03:05 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, thanks to the time-travel module | 03:05 |
| Macer | lord | 03:05 |
| Macer | my son is awake and active.. bbl :) | 03:06 |
| Macer | looks like nap time is over | 03:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | guess the lord you can reach via sip-phone | 03:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ... | 03:06 |
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| FireFox16 | ~seen xnt14 | 03:15 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt@pool-98-113-71-238.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 43m 14s ago, saying: 'well, im on my server right now, ill switch to my xps'. | 03:15 |
| FireFox16 | xP | 03:15 |
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| javispedro | Eldar again mentions "N920 without hw keyboard" | 03:28 |
| FireFox16 | heh | 03:28 |
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| oilinki | good morning | 03:31 |
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| FireFox16 | 8:33 pm here >.> xDD | 03:33 |
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| oilinki | we are 11 hours ahead of you :) | 03:34 |
| milos_ | did anyone read eldar's review? | 03:36 |
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| AStorm | no, never, cellphone w/o a keyboard = pointless | 03:37 |
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| JayBomb999 | I tried but my Russian is terrible. | 03:39 |
| FireFox16 | oilinki: where are you located? | 03:40 |
| milos_ | JayBomb999: http://tinyurl.com/kjkjb6 | 03:40 |
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| JayBomb999 | milos: I actually "read" the translation. It's still a bit difficult to understand but overall, he seems to have lost pretty much all his enthusiasm regarding the N900. | 03:41 |
| JayBomb999 | Do you agree? | 03:42 |
| milos_ | JayBomb999: yup | 03:42 |
| JayBomb999 | I typically respect his opinion so I can't lie... it does give me pause as I have the N900 of pre-order. | 03:42 |
| JayBomb999 | There are legitimate questions about which firmware/hardware he has though... | 03:43 |
| oilinki | FireFox16: Phuket, Thailand | 03:44 |
| FireFox16 | ah :) | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, he's got a stolen prototype running very old firmware. | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, calling it a review is disingenuous at best. | 03:46 |
| JayBomb999 | GeneralAntilles: Yes I agree. | 03:46 |
| milos_ | JayBomb999: not sure about browser speed. He said that Iphone's Safari is much faster than MicroB. I would like someone to test little more. To try to turn off flash on MicroB and than compare. Currently comparing these two on some heavy flash sites is not fair. | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, he's also been accusing anybody who asks anything specific of him of being either a Nokia employee or a shill. | 03:46 |
| lcuk | i dont blame him | 03:47 |
| lcuk | how do i find out what software i have | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, wait for a real review with final software. | 03:48 |
| JayBomb999 | I think he raised a few legitimate (and common) concerns about the device (portrait mode, limited media player, etc), but the slow browser stuff seemed to contradict the demos I saw... | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, he's incorrect about portrait mode. | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not shipped with most of Nokia's default applications | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | but 3rd-party developers can provide support for it in their own applications very easily. | 03:48 |
| JayBomb999 | GeneralAntilles: What do you mean "incorrect about portrait mode"? | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, we could provide patches for Nokia's open source stuff pretty easily. | 03:49 |
| JayBomb999 | ah.. NM | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, he's been claiming that it'll be really difficult for developers to implement portrait. | 03:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As for the media player there'll be plenty of alternatives. | 03:49 |
| JayBomb999 | Oh I see. It was hard to discern specifics view google translate | 03:50 |
| JayBomb999 | Really? Like? | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | MAFW will make implementing 3rd party media players a lot easier. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola, for one. | 03:50 |
| JayBomb999 | I am pretty new to Maemo so forgive my ignorance. | 03:50 |
| JayBomb999 | Yes I've seen canola running on a N810. Looks good. I'd be happy with that. | 03:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It'll be even better in Fremantle. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks to the hardware speedup if nothing else. | 03:51 |
| oilinki | JayBomb999: canola looks good, but it has some really annoying features.. like trying to kill the program by clicking buttons for 10 times. | 03:52 |
| JayBomb999 | What about a podcast player? I dont' see that built into the media player... | 03:52 |
| milos_ | JayBomb999: gpodder | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | The recent releases of which look absolutely amazing. | 03:53 |
| JayBomb999 | I have seen gpodder for ubuntu/gnome (my primary OS) ans wasn't too impressed honestly. Is it different in Maemo5? Compatible with the UI? | 03:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's different on Maemo 5. | 03:53 |
| JayBomb999 | I'll check it out thanks.. | 03:53 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, and you know something - thats fine | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=331728#post331728 | 03:54 |
| lcuk | you are free not to like gpodder | 03:54 |
| lcuk | there will be others | 03:54 |
| lcuk | but if it had been in the os and you didnt like it you would rant | 03:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola does podcasts, too. | 03:54 |
| lcuk | and it would be harder to remove | 03:54 |
| javispedro | lcuk++ | 03:54 |
| AStorm | yes, with a plugin right now | 03:54 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, maemo is unrestricted | 03:55 |
| AStorm | and does so fairly well | 03:55 |
| AStorm | well, mostly unrestricted | 03:55 |
| AStorm | we have hardware restrictions ;p | 03:55 |
| lcuk | in what way is it restricted | 03:55 |
| javispedro | :P i'm not getting autobuilder emails | 03:55 |
| JayBomb999 | I realize such initial trade-offs are the nature of the beast with a most open OS like Maemo. As a linux enthusiast/geek I'm ok with that. | 03:55 |
| AStorm | what tradeoffs? | 03:55 |
| javispedro | did maemo.org just died? | 03:56 |
| AStorm | which phone does podcasts by default? | 03:56 |
| lcuk | then as a linux maemo enthusiast, you dont mind helping to build the barn | 03:56 |
| JayBomb999 | Do I really need to say AStorm? | 03:56 |
| lcuk | theres a hammer and some wood over there | 03:56 |
| AStorm | JayBomb999: yes, do. | 03:56 |
| AStorm | *by default*. | 03:56 |
| JayBomb999 | iPhone. | 03:56 |
| AStorm | not in Appstore. | 03:56 |
| JayBomb999 | iPhone | 03:56 |
| AStorm | and others? | 03:56 |
| AStorm | nopes. | 03:57 |
| JayBomb999 | Well.. you only asked for one. :) | 03:57 |
| AStorm | ;p | 03:57 |
| AStorm | seems like maemo.org is slow at responding | 03:57 |
| lcuk | what if you dont like the media player on iphone | 03:57 |
| lcuk | what do you do | 03:57 |
| AStorm | DDoS? some server change? | 03:57 |
| * lcuk really likes media player on tablet | 03:58 | |
| AStorm | jailbreak (yeah, real easy and all ;p ) | 03:58 |
| javispedro | just before i noticed autobuilder builds were finishing but I was not getting emails | 03:58 |
| AStorm | and install another one | 03:58 |
| JayBomb999 | I agree with the point you're making lcuk. | 03:58 |
| * lcuk was also happy with the one on 810 | 03:58 | |
| JayBomb999 | I am not a fan of "walled gardens". | 03:58 |
| JayBomb999 | That said, I do like the media player on the iPhone. What I dont' like is the necessity of iTunes and the encrypted USB connection. | 03:59 |
| AStorm | the one on n810 was ok | 03:59 |
| AStorm | \but looked very plain | 03:59 |
| AStorm | and video playback was slow (mostly hardware reasons) | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | No more slow video playback. ;) | 04:00 |
| JayBomb999 | sorry... encrypted database might be more accurate. | 04:00 |
| AStorm | JayBomb999: try to fight with the most important proponent of DRM | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, I wonder how battery life will be with video playback. | 04:00 |
| AStorm | GeneralAntilles: sure I know :) | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Audio decoding on ARM, video on DSP. | 04:00 |
| AStorm | or both on ARM for less demanding formats? | 04:00 |
| AStorm | (to save power) | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dunno | 04:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wonder if MAFW has some clues. | 04:01 |
| AStorm | h264 certainly needs that DSP code | 04:01 |
| javispedro | MAFW uses gst. | 04:01 |
| javispedro | actually I remember reading it has swappable backends | 04:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, it does. | 04:01 |
| javispedro | qt/phonon switch hint. | 04:02 |
| AStorm | yes, although phonon does gst as well | 04:02 |
| AStorm | and I see no real reason not to use gst w/ Qt | 04:02 |
| AStorm | unless they want full Qt code. | 04:03 |
| javispedro | AStorm: someday phonon might target whatever Symbian uses | 04:03 |
| JayBomb999 | I'm sure this is asked often here, but has anyone actually used the N900 personally? Demo or otherwise? | 04:03 |
| AStorm | (and phonon has been debugged, since it's right now hardly useful) | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, nearly anybody here who has is under NDA. | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | JayBomb999, there are demo units in many of Nokia's big stores, though. | 04:03 |
| AStorm | well, I can tell you I don't have it. | 04:03 |
| AStorm | ;p | 04:03 |
| * lcuk has an n900 | 04:04 | |
| JayBomb999 | I live in Detroit and we don't have Nokia stores... or an economy in general. | 04:04 |
| * javispedro has not either. | 04:04 | |
| Pavlov | <3 n900 | 04:04 |
| javispedro | we have nokia stores here but then I'd doubt they have the n900. | 04:04 |
| AStorm | we're not talking about chinese ripoffs actually | 04:04 |
| lcuk | javispedro, here? | 04:04 |
| AStorm | unless you guys are under NDA | 04:04 |
| AStorm | ;> | 04:04 |
| javispedro | here. near my home ;) | 04:04 |
| * lcuk cant help but be disclosed | 04:05 | |
| lcuk | lol | 04:05 |
| lcuk | i keep forgetting where that is | 04:05 |
| JayBomb999 | I was curious about the transistions. My biggest concerns derived from viewing demos is that the transitions seemed... laggy. I am hoping this gets smoothed about before it arrives at my door. :) | 04:05 |
| JayBomb999 | I don't know if opinions on this issue would be prohibited by NDAs. | 04:06 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, i can categorically say it is the best internet tablet i have ever owned. it manages to expand in every single area on the strengths the n810 had and adds entirely new weapons as well | 04:06 |
| * javispedro read that as "being concerned about the transistors" | 04:07 | |
| AStorm | JayBomb999: that's a software problem | 04:07 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, my software runs faster and smoother on this device than it has run on the previous devices | 04:07 |
| AStorm | this means, it's fixable | 04:07 |
| lcuk | (tho i manage to get it to run well there too) | 04:07 |
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| JayBomb999 | lcuk: That's good to here. Does anyone think I'm wrong about the transitions? I've voiced this opinion before and been told I'm nuts... | 04:08 |
| Robot101 | in general, the transitions last as long as the apps take to redraw/appear/etc | 04:08 |
| Robot101 | they've been shaved down to as long as they need to be | 04:09 |
| Robot101 | so making them faster doesn't actually get you anything sooner | 04:09 |
| Robot101 | it just looks less good | 04:09 |
| Robot101 | :) | 04:09 |
| lcuk | :) i have never concerned myself with perfection in many things, but i can the n900 is slick and the transitions are better than anything i can manually code | 04:09 |
| lcuk | +1 robink | 04:09 |
| lcuk | Robot101, | 04:09 |
| lcuk | i remember balancing transitions in old and new liqbase and without transitions actually got the system too fast | 04:10 |
| JayBomb999 | lcuk: I suppose I'm a bit more shallow then. :) I really like a fluid UI. | 04:10 |
| lcuk | as do i :) | 04:10 |
| AStorm | JayBomb999: don't buy the N900 or any phone then | 04:11 |
| lcuk | i wrote my liqbase on the back of a poor ui on n810, on n900 im wondering just how fudging much time ive wasted | 04:11 |
| AStorm | none of them has a fluid UI | 04:11 |
| AStorm | not even the Apple's | 04:11 |
| lcuk | +1 | 04:11 |
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| JayBomb999 | AStorm: My experience has been different. 3Gs and Palm pre are pretty smooth in my opinon. Also, while not a phone, the Zune HD's UI is pretty spectacular too. Just saying... | 04:12 |
| lcuk | how easy are they to code for? | 04:13 |
| lcuk | is it open? | 04:13 |
| JayBomb999 | It doesn't have to be fancy, I just notice stuttering and hesitation a lot when going full screen from "the dashboard". | 04:13 |
| javispedro | palm pre, smooth? | 04:13 |
| lcuk | well - pre yeah tis | 04:13 |
| javispedro | O.o | 04:13 |
| FireFox16 | xD | 04:13 |
| lcuk | seems it | 04:13 |
| lcuk | is it now | 04:13 |
| lcuk | not | 04:13 |
| FireFox16 | try the SDK ;) | 04:13 |
| Pavlov | javispedro: the zune hd's music app is great | 04:13 |
| Pavlov | they nailed it | 04:13 |
| javispedro | FireFox16: on a PC, even windows xp is "smooth". | 04:14 |
| AStorm | Palm Pre is really *not* smooth :) | 04:14 |
| javispedro | yeah. | 04:14 |
| AStorm | it is fast, but that has nothing to do with smoothness | 04:14 |
| JayBomb999 | I am only speaking about transitions here... not the OS. :) | 04:14 |
| * javispedro sighs | 04:14 | |
| AStorm | javispedro: could you link to a movie showing that problem? | 04:15 |
| javispedro | the only phone I tried, and you tell me is fast. | 04:15 |
| AStorm | fairly. | 04:15 |
| AStorm | not *really* fast | 04:15 |
| AStorm | fast for a phone ;. | 04:15 |
| Pavlov | my problem with the zune hd was i was on a train when i was using one | 04:16 |
| lcuk | old rotary telephones had amazing transitions | 04:16 |
| Pavlov | and couldn't connect to the internet ;/ | 04:16 |
| lcuk | the way the dial would slide smoothly back round after you reached a number was amazing | 04:16 |
| JayBomb999 | :) | 04:16 |
| javispedro | not only amazing, but analog. infinite fluidity. | 04:16 |
| javispedro | take that! | 04:16 |
| lcuk | computers, pah! | 04:17 |
| JayBomb999 | Fluidity is a good word. | 04:17 |
| lcuk | we need arduino devices to linkup those transitions | 04:17 |
| * javispedro checks in case he made it up | 04:17 | |
| javispedro | no, google returns quite a few hits | 04:17 |
| JayBomb999 | That's what I'd like the transistions to look like in Maemo... fluid. | 04:17 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, my code slides around on a layer of baconfat | 04:17 |
| AStorm | heh, rotary phones aren't really smooth | 04:17 |
| lcuk | its slippery smooth | 04:17 |
| lcuk | mine was | 04:17 |
| AStorm | no, smooth were those phones where you had to crank to achieve line potential | 04:18 |
| AStorm | *that* was smooth | 04:18 |
| AStorm | no need to turn any wheels | 04:18 |
| lcuk | JayBomb999, every device has times when the cpu is a bit busy | 04:18 |
| lcuk | its like women, most of the month they look good | 04:18 |
| lcuk | but then for a few days you cant get close | 04:18 |
| javispedro | smooth is when you beat the n900 until you get fine black powder. | 04:18 |
| javispedro | now that powder *is* smooth. | 04:18 |
| lcuk | NO! | 04:18 |
| lcuk | dont breath that in | 04:18 |
| lcuk | its maemo smoke | 04:18 |
| Pavlov | i was thinking about buying a blendtec | 04:18 |
| Pavlov | and seeing if it blends | 04:18 |
| javispedro | yes, I read the advice from the blendtec evil man. | 04:19 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you are up late btw | 04:19 |
| lcuk | even im goin to bed now! | 04:19 |
| javispedro | yeah. waking up late tomorrow. | 04:19 |
| javispedro | (finally!) | 04:19 |
| * javispedro is so lazy... and evil. | 04:20 | |
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| lcuk | i need to get drunk soon | 04:20 |
| lcuk | not tonight tho | 04:20 |
| JayBomb999 | Never drink and code... | 04:20 |
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| lcuk | ballmer peak | 04:21 |
| lcuk | its ricky, but can pay off | 04:21 |
| lcuk | risky even | 04:21 |
| * lcuk isnt bianca | 04:21 | |
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| lcuk | gnite folks \o | 04:25 |
| javispedro | gnie | 04:26 |
| JayBomb999 | Night. Thanks for the info. | 04:26 |
| javispedro | i'll leave too | 04:26 |
| javispedro | wtf | 04:27 |
| javispedro | autobuilder broken. | 04:27 |
| javispedro | probably in berserk mode since it failed building but then "queued the packages for loading into extras-devel". | 04:28 |
| javispedro | well, see you, bye | 04:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I have to download Flash to download the stupid Nokia software updater because Nokia hates North America and wont provide freaking OTA updates here. | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow and it automagically installed Google toolbar without my permission. | 05:43 |
| microlith | what are you installing it to? | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm trying to update my 5800. | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which, of course, requires Windows XP | 05:44 |
| microlith | hmm | 05:44 |
| Proteous | I've done a OTA update on my n97 | 05:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | 5800 apparently isn't supported in NAM | 05:49 |
| Proteous | ah | 05:49 |
| Proteous | yeah | 05:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia's complete and utter failure to sell devices here is completely and utterly deserved. | 05:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Owning a Nokia device in the US == pain. | 05:50 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:50 |
| Proteous | I love mine | 05:50 |
| Proteous | so :P | 05:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Christ | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't even get v30 on here. | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Symbian. Is. The. Worst. | 05:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd stick this piece of shit in a blender if I had the money. | 05:55 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maemo's the only thing that can save the company. | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, how incompetent can you get? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd be impressed if it weren't so infuriating. | 06:09 |
| Pavlov | why would you own a symbian phone in the US? | 06:12 |
| Pavlov | aside from testing | 06:13 |
| Proteous | becuase WM sucks | 06:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, other options are limited. | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd heard good things about them. | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wanted a touchscreen phone that sucks less than the iPhone and Android. | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm an idiot. | 06:24 |
| Pavlov | lol | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Seriously, though, it's like Nokia WANTS to fail in the US. | 06:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The other side of it, though, is that the N900 is a fucking revolution. | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: what are you complaining about? | 06:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | The shittastic 5800. | 06:29 |
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| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: the n97 is pretty bad | 06:33 |
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| Pavlov | i still think the iphone is the best/most together/consistent phone | 06:33 |
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| Pavlov | touchscreen | 06:33 |
| Pavlov | the pre is probably 2nd, closely followed by the htc magic | 06:34 |
| Pavlov | n900 in there somewhere prolly | 06:34 |
| Pavlov | n900 really needs a capacitive touchscreen | 06:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pfft | 06:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive would suck so hard at 800x480 | 06:35 |
| Pavlov | why? | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | iPhone is just plain boring. | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | You couldn't hit any small widgets. | 06:36 |
| Pavlov | stuff still has to be finger friendly | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | The KDE/OpenOffice/whatever ports are all right out the window. | 06:36 |
| Pavlov | mm's are all mm's | 06:36 |
| Pavlov | ah, yes | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | You also can't sketch. | 06:36 |
| Pavlov | it would be less friendly for random linux apps | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you ever try MyPaint on the N800? | 06:36 |
| Pavlov | yep | 06:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | It would hurt the platform. | 06:36 |
| Pavlov | it would be a substantially better device and phone | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a good resistive is competitive with capacitive for sensitivity. | 06:37 |
| Pavlov | at the cost of some of its current market, perhaps | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not for me, thanks. | 06:37 |
| Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: it really isn't | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Nokia's great at abandoning its current markets. | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, having using both rather extensively, I find it is. | 06:37 |
| Pavlov | gentle swipes on a restive touchscreen simply don't register | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, duh. | 06:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't have an EM field hovering over it. | 06:38 |
| Pavlov | where as they move my capacitive screens around as i'd expect | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | This sounds like a personal problem. | 06:38 |
| Pavlov | nah | 06:38 |
| Pavlov | its a market problem | 06:38 |
| Pavlov | people who are used to capacitive won't understand resistive | 06:38 |
| Pavlov | if you've never had a capacitive one, then sure you can learn resistive | 06:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Personally, capacitive people can go elsewhere. | 06:39 |
| Pavlov | lol | 06:39 |
| Pavlov | they will | 06:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have a device that works for me, not a device that works for a dozen other people. | 06:39 |
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| RST38h | Eldar published a new review. | 07:00 |
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| Stskeeps | does he keep on whining? | 07:01 |
| RST38h | Oh yessss | 07:01 |
| RST38h | But praises it too, partially | 07:02 |
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| Stskeeps | i think he may just have a bad batch | 07:03 |
| RST38h | Well, some of his complaints seem to be valid, others are just plain whining | 07:05 |
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| zerojay | RST38h: Like...? | 07:20 |
| RST38h | like endless complaints abl=out lack of portrait mode | 07:21 |
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| snuxoll | well, the lack of a portrait mode is somewhat annoying, especially when the N900 looks like any other phone to most people | 07:33 |
| snuxoll | wasn't such a big deal when there was only the N8XX and 770 to worry about | 07:34 |
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| * bubill hi all | 09:22 | |
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| Stskeeps | what on earth is Archentgi (sp) smoking? P | 09:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: Another fanboy | 09:50 |
| RST38h | Logical thinking impaired. | 09:51 |
| RST38h | could somebody show me an example of accelerometer use? | 09:51 |
| Razumihin | Great we have fanboys even before the device is out to public... | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: there's a wiki page on it | 09:52 |
| RST38h | url? =) | 09:52 |
| RST38h | Razumihin: Crazies will get obsessed over anything, they do not need a particular device | 09:53 |
| * Myrtti feels crazy | 09:53 | |
| RST38h | At least he is not a nazi or a mind control freak =) | 09:53 |
| Razumihin | :) | 09:53 |
| Myrtti | *DINGDONGDINGDONG* | 09:53 |
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| * RST38h winds up Myrtti | 09:54 | |
| Myrtti | I'm wound up already | 09:54 |
| Myrtti | I've heard the intro of Moby's In My Life for two and half hours already | 09:55 |
| Myrtti | in my head | 09:55 |
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| RST38h | Sts: found it! | 09:56 |
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| * RST38h thanks lcuk in absentia | 09:57 | |
| RST38h | moo tekojo | 09:58 |
| Myrtti | one day I'll resign and start a new life as organic carrot farmer | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | excellent choice | 09:59 |
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| Myrtti | or move to Hebrides and make a living selling handknitted mittens in Etsy | 10:00 |
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| RST38h | Where would you get your food other than carrots? | 10:02 |
| tekojo | RST38h moo! | 10:03 |
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| Myrtti | I do knit nicely, I'm sure I'd make enough moneys to buy lamb mince in the Hebrides | 10:03 |
| tekojo | Myrtti excellent plan! | 10:03 |
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| dslvictim | hello world | 10:14 |
| bubill331 | hello maemo | 10:16 |
| dslvictim | did people comment on http://tinker.it/now/2009/09/15/rewind-rethinking-old-school-devices-using-the-nokia-n900/ ? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but it's hard to impress us when we know the tablets are very versatile devices ;) | 10:18 |
| bubill331 | tablets can phone ?? | 10:19 |
| dslvictim | well, i missed it :) | 10:19 |
| dslvictim | the n900 isn't a tablet | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | per definition it is kinda a tablet .. | 10:19 |
| dslvictim | well, short of a couple of annoying bugs, it's the best phone i've ever used :) | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | but a n810 could phone over skype or SIP .. | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:20 |
| * dslvictim should have upgraded to a later version before traveling | 10:20 | |
| dslvictim | dsl=damn small linux fwiw, this hostel in krakow is using a version that included ff1.0.6 :o | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 10:21 |
| * dslvictim sadly neglected to ask the desk about a certain tour in time and missed it :( | 10:21 | |
| Stskeeps | ah, hi timeless | 10:21 |
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| dslvictim | hi | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | how\s poland? | 10:21 |
| * dslvictim took a bunch of night photos | 10:21 | |
| dslvictim | border control was unfortunate | 10:22 |
| dslvictim | there was at one point only one line for non EU nationals | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:22 |
| * Stskeeps wonders idly if it is a bad sign one of his headphone plugs is warm - after dropping it yesterday to the coffee | 10:23 | |
| dslvictim | and the lady trying to enter was stuck for a really long time | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | plugs/earplugs | 10:23 |
| dslvictim | yeah, probably not a good idea | 10:23 |
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| dslvictim | did you see the headphones that were contact aware? iirc sony announced them a few days ago | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | i should start using my SE A2DP set.. best headphones i ever had | 10:24 |
| dslvictim | ok, second battery charged, and i have a walking tour in 40mins... what to do :) | 10:24 |
| Mr | but it's a s60 5th plateform | 10:24 |
| dslvictim | mr: eh?? | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | Mr, what? :P | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | bubill: N900 is Maemo | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | not Symbian | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | 770, N800, N810 is Maemo too :P | 10:24 |
| bubill | but a n810 could phone over skype or SIP ..---- | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | sure - and that's maemo mgaic | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | magic | 10:25 |
| bubill | oh | 10:26 |
| Myrtti | randomness | 10:26 |
| dslvictim | although skype in n900 is integrated w/ the call app | 10:26 |
| dslvictim | unlike the previous version | 10:26 |
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| dslvictim | that'd be spiffy i suppose if i cared about my phone bill and could find my username+password | 10:26 |
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| bubill | maemo in the future | 10:27 |
| dslvictim | gah. please remind me to thrash the ui designer for the status menu | 10:27 |
| dslvictim | i can't trigger MfE from it anymore | 10:27 |
| dslvictim | nice, there | 10:29 |
| dslvictim | 's no space in /tmp | 10:29 |
| * dslvictim wonders which apps will break because of that :o | 10:29 | |
| bubill | hehe | 10:30 |
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| dslvictim | cool, wifi here has 600+K/s uplink for me :) | 10:31 |
| dslvictim | (and then it stalls, i guess that's burst uplink) | 10:32 |
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| johnx | dslvictim, not too much broke on maemo4 for lack of /tmp | 10:41 |
| johnx | it broke because of other non-standard stuff first :) | 10:41 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:45 |
| dslvictim | johnx: good to know | 10:45 |
| dslvictim | i know that some parts of the call app break if / is full | 10:46 |
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| dslvictim | anyway, i have a tour to catch | 10:46 |
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| RST38h | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206007/Pictured-The-freakish-Frankensteins-monster-nations-ideal-pet.html | 11:50 |
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| wazd | lcuk: what have you done :) | 12:15 |
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| wazd | lcuk: heya :) | 12:15 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 12:18 |
| lcuk | wazd :'( it wasnt me | 12:18 |
| lcuk | hi! khertan! | 12:19 |
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| RST38h | Italian police and "reptile wranglers" have seized a 1.7-metre-long crocodile allegedly used by a Naples Mafia boss to "intimidate" extortion victims. | 12:30 |
| lcuk | o_O | 12:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | hello to you too | 12:31 |
| bubill331 | anbody know some java channel of irc ? | 12:31 |
| wjt | RST38h: they sent it to rehab \o/ | 12:31 |
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| glass | crocs on coke? | 12:31 |
| RST38h | that is going to be by secondary ingestion | 12:32 |
| bubill331 | ./lis | 12:32 |
| bubill331 | ./list | 12:32 |
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| gomiam | bubill331: you can try writing commands without dots in front with /say or /quote | 12:34 |
| gomiam | /say /msg gomiam Something like this. | 12:35 |
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| wazd | btw, M-R Maemo5 review is out | 12:36 |
| wazd | nothing serious as expected | 12:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: Same stuff - no portrait, no MMS | 12:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: no office editor :D | 12:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: "Wait for firmware v3, like iPhone" | 12:38 |
| RST38h | Doesn't DataWiz provide that? | 12:38 |
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| X-Fade | Pretty funny to see who he has added to contacts :) | 12:40 |
| wazd | and fake appointments :D | 12:41 |
| wazd | "Download M6 build" elouel :) | 12:42 |
| frals | is it out in english yet? | 12:42 |
| wazd | X-Fade: no Quim and Jussi though :) | 12:44 |
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| RST38h | frals: tomorrow | 13:02 |
| frals | roger, thanks :) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | frals: Although I guess we can translate it to English, if it is really needed | 13:03 |
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| RST38h | There isn't much new though. He loves the address book. He gives passing grade to the browser, saying that "iphone is still better" | 13:03 |
| frals | just curious if he says what fw/sw version hes using and what the current is | 13:04 |
| admiral0|wrk | hi. i was wondering... which are the drivers of n900 that are closed src? | 13:04 |
| wazd | better because it has portrait view | 13:04 |
| RST38h | Hates the phone (says phone dropped 3G calls in Korea and has some UI problems) | 13:04 |
| RST38h | frals: He admitted of using 34.14 | 13:04 |
| RST38h | frals: I.e. August | 13:04 |
| frals | ok ty | 13:04 |
| RST38h | He wants the portrait view everywhere and calls N900 a "geek device" | 13:04 |
| Jaffa | And given Nokia are producing new builds every night, this is a very *very* old build | 13:05 |
| RST38h | Says nothing will be fixed until Summer 2010 when the second Fremantle device is apparently due | 13:05 |
| RST38h | Looks like he is either not aware of SSU or has chosen to ignore it | 13:05 |
| aSIMULAter | 34-14 geez | 13:06 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I can produce builds every night with a script, it is not any indication of improvement. Still, August is kinda far off | 13:06 |
| RST38h | Ah, almost forgot: he wants the MMS :) | 13:06 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Yes, of course. But the point is they are working on it again | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | still. | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | whatever. | 13:07 |
| RST38h | And apparently thinks that adding portrait mode is so "hard" Nokia only managed to do it for the Phone | 13:07 |
| suihkulokki | funny calender too | 13:07 |
| frals | aight | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That is why gpodder use it too, right :D | 13:07 |
| Jaffa | And Conboy | 13:08 |
| frals | so hes not a programmer by a long shot and assumes a bit much then | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | You know what they say about assume :) | 13:08 |
| frals | aye :) | 13:08 |
| JamieBennett | Jaffa do you have a copy of the travel agents email for the Summit, I never got sent one :( | 13:09 |
| JamieBennett | and I need to sort out how I'm getting there | 13:09 |
| frals | on another note, serving your gf with waffles w/ whipped cream and jam scores you major points | 13:10 |
| RST38h | XFade: I tried explaining that to him in general terms but he is kinda jittery when presented with the facts | 13:10 |
| frals | also makes you full enough to throw up halfway thru the day :p | 13:10 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: I wouldn't waste my time ;) | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Let him have his opinion. That makes it fun. | 13:11 |
| frals | btw, any decent irc clients for the previous maemo versions out? i.e. touchfriendly? | 13:11 |
| frals | or is ssh + screen&irssi the way to do it? ;) | 13:12 |
| wazd | RST38h: and he still thinks that Nokia developer and third party maemo dev are same people :) | 13:12 |
| aSIMULAter | ssh + screen + irssi :P | 13:12 |
| RST38h | wazd: He went into full anal defense mode yesterday around midnight | 13:13 |
| frals | roger aSIMULAter ;) | 13:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: You should have been more polite with him, to prolong the fun =) | 13:13 |
| aSIMULAter | well thsi is how i do it at least | 13:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, seriously, he's talking crap using my quotes out of the context, and says that it should be like that | 13:14 |
| frals | yeah i figured that to be a good way, but buttons to change channels would be cool, i think, unless you remap some of the keys on the hw kboard | 13:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: that is normal | 13:16 |
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| lcuk | wazd, if you dont feed the trolls he cannot take your quotes out of context | 13:26 |
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| ccooke | frals: A while back I was considering some irssi plugins to work with maemo. | 13:26 |
| pupnik | such as? | 13:26 |
| ccooke | frals: preferably ones that would work from the other side of an ssh link. :-) | 13:27 |
| ccooke | pupnik: well, in maemo 4 terms, notifications when someone queries you | 13:27 |
| pupnik | same idea here | 13:27 |
| ccooke | pupnik: how far did you get? | 13:27 |
| pupnik | no beeping on tablet yet | 13:28 |
| pupnik | but beeping in urxvt | 13:28 |
| pupnik | thru ssh + screen | 13:28 |
| frals | cool | 13:29 |
| ccooke | nice. | 13:29 |
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| lbt | hmm not heard of this before... http://www.tomtom.com/page/openLR | 13:29 |
| lcuk | RST38h, mmm ? "RST38h thanks lcuk in absentia" | 13:30 |
| lcuk | lbt, secret project by keesj? :D | 13:31 |
| pupnik | beep | 13:31 |
| pupnik | hmm | 13:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: For the accelerometer code in wiki | 13:31 |
| * lcuk smiles | 13:31 | |
| _berto_ | is there any problem with the git server at garage ? | 13:31 |
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| X-Fade | _berto_: What's up? | 13:32 |
| _berto_ | error: Cannot access URL https://git.maemo.org/projects/hildon/, return code 18 | 13:32 |
| _berto_ | i cannot push anything | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | _berto_: Ferenc seems to be working on git, I'll try to find out what the problem is. | 13:34 |
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| _berto_ | X-Fade: thanks | 13:34 |
| pupnik | ccooke you just need to get 1) irssi generating ascii bells (see config) 2) ensure screen and ssh do not mangle bells and 3) ensure that your term program (client) generates a beep on ctrÃl-g | 13:35 |
| ccooke | pupnik: that's not really what I wanted | 13:35 |
| ccooke | I'd thought of actual text notifications, and clicking on them causing irssi to be refocussed and switch to the relevant tab | 13:36 |
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| pupnik | k. need to write irssi plugin plus maemo daemon | 13:36 |
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| ccooke | yes | 13:38 |
| ccooke | it's easy enough with screen - you end up dedicating one screen window to it. | 13:38 |
| pupnik | makes me want some middleware | 13:39 |
| pupnik | like the irssi plugin, instead of using some custom protocol, could appear itself as an irssi server | 13:40 |
| ccooke | the simple (and ugly) way is to make a plugin that writes a logfile of events, then your daemon does an ssh+tail on the logfile and parses it for notifications... | 13:40 |
| pupnik | mhm | 13:41 |
| pupnik | s/irssi/irc/ | 13:41 |
| ccooke | What would make more sense, though, is irssiproxy | 13:41 |
| pupnik | .. | 13:42 |
| * zerojay yawns | 13:43 | |
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| pupnik | everything looks like a bad compromise | 13:43 |
| ccooke | so you end up with an ssh to set up port forwardings, then irssi-proxy running in a screen session on the tablet. That way, the plugin can just do the maemo stuff itself | 13:43 |
| ccooke | pupnik: that's because everything *is* a bad compromise :-) | 13:43 |
| pupnik | that works | 13:45 |
| pupnik | just dont send stuff over wlan U dont need to | 13:45 |
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| pupnik | save batt, i think | 13:46 |
| ccooke | yes. | 13:46 |
| ccooke | it would also be more responsive | 13:46 |
| pupnik | how about something more general | 13:47 |
| ccooke | a generic daemon for notifications? | 13:47 |
| pupnik | irssi plugin reroutes pms to some IM service, which could run on maemo, or phone ot anything | 13:47 |
| ccooke | that would be Complicated. | 13:48 |
| pupnik | k just pondering | 13:48 |
| ccooke | also, the point for me is that I like the irssi interface | 13:48 |
| pupnik | bah, find out how to give maemo xterm audible bell or LED flask, and im set | 13:49 |
| pupnik | and/or LED flash | 13:50 |
| lbt | dbus | 13:50 |
| ccooke | pupnik: I can do it with screen... | 13:50 |
| pupnik | i think it might be in stty settings | 13:50 |
| ccooke | just attach a filter to the screen window, then trigger a bell sound every time it sees a ^a! (*shudder*) | 13:50 |
| pupnik | it is the law that terms handle bell character :) just got to find the setting | 13:51 |
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| X-Fade | _berto_: Is the problem still there? | 13:57 |
| _berto_ | X-Fade: checkin | 13:58 |
| _berto_ | X-Fade: yes | 13:58 |
| _berto_ | CURLE_PARTIAL_FILE (18) A file transfer was shorter or larger than expected. This happens when the server first reports an expected transfer size, and then delivers data that doesn't match the previously given size. | 13:58 |
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| MaceN8x0 | hello | 14:15 |
| * lcuk ponders | 14:19 | |
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| Macer | hm | 14:24 |
| Macer | i would use chrome on this xp box but... | 14:24 |
| Macer | chrome is still underdeveloped | 14:24 |
| Macer | like android | 14:24 |
| Macer | google does release some semi-good shit | 14:24 |
| Macer | too bad they seem to fail on follow through | 14:25 |
| Macer | i could only imagine the horror that is googleos that will be coming out | 14:25 |
| * Macer installs firefox | 14:26 | |
| * aquatix is rather happy with what HTC did to Android with Sense | 14:27 | |
| Macer | in the US the tethering app was taken from the market | 14:28 |
| Macer | because it is against the tmob agreement | 14:28 |
| aquatix | that's not Android's fault | 14:28 |
| Macer | good thing i installed BEFORE it was taken off the market heh | 14:28 |
| aquatix | blame your stupid providers :) | 14:28 |
| Macer | didn't say it was. was just saying ;) | 14:28 |
| aquatix | Macer: be sure to backup the .apk | 14:28 |
| aquatix | otoh, i really like the MoDaCo rom O:) | 14:29 |
| Macer | aquatix: no need. i just won't touch the phone until the n900 comes out | 14:29 |
| aquatix | heh, fair enough | 14:29 |
| Macer | i don't like android anyways | 14:29 |
| Macer | i think mostly because of its app development | 14:29 |
| Macer | and its immaturity in certain areas | 14:29 |
| Macer | like the almost complete lack of bt support | 14:29 |
| aquatix | true | 14:29 |
| Macer | the apps are sometimes horrible | 14:30 |
| aquatix | with a rooted phone, that's less of an issue | 14:30 |
| aquatix | but still an issue | 14:30 |
| Macer | and its market is full of crap apps | 14:30 |
| aquatix | myeah, so is each other market | 14:30 |
| Macer | aquatix: well. depends on the rom you are running | 14:30 |
| Macer | like i have to run hidd manually (after building it myself in their sdk) | 14:30 |
| Macer | in order to use a bt keyboard? | 14:30 |
| Macer | what crap :) | 14:31 |
| aquatix | hm, didn't try a bt keyboard yet | 14:31 |
| Macer | i mean the stuff is there for the support and they are relying on the community in order to keep their OS vaiable | 14:31 |
| aquatix | my iGo worked out of the box with my n810 and sony ericsson m600i | 14:31 |
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| Macer | why pay your own devs when you can have some 14 yr old pumping out garbage apps? :) | 14:31 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 14:31 |
| aquatix | myeah | 14:31 |
| Macer | not to mention the quickoffice crap | 14:32 |
| aquatix | true | 14:32 |
| Macer | i was disgusted with that one | 14:32 |
| aquatix | but that was crap on my m600i too | 14:32 |
| Macer | on symbian quickoffice was totally awesome | 14:32 |
| Macer | at least on my n95 it was | 14:32 |
| Macer | so i figured the android ver would be just as good | 14:32 |
| aquatix | hm, true | 14:32 |
| Macer | and it was only a viewr they were selling for $20 | 14:32 |
| Macer | haha | 14:32 |
| aquatix | on UIQ3 you could at least edit stuff | 14:32 |
| aquatix | heh | 14:32 |
| Macer | jumping on the android market get rich bandwagon | 14:32 |
| * aquatix doesn't use office apps anyway | 14:33 | |
| Macer | aquatix: i do ;) | 14:33 |
| aquatix | but a decent spreadsheet could be nice | 14:33 |
| Macer | i thought androffice was going to be an entire suite | 14:33 |
| Macer | but it was just a spreadsheet editor | 14:33 |
| aquatix | there's a decent spreadsheet app btw | 14:33 |
| Macer | and the devs "are working on a document editor" | 14:33 |
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| aquatix | heh, ouch | 14:33 |
| aquatix | http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-bytesquared-spreadsheet-qqxq.aspx <- that one looks decent | 14:34 |
| aquatix | but i'd really would like a port of gnumeric :) | 14:34 |
| * aquatix loves gnumeric on maemo | 14:34 | |
| Macer | well. abiword and gnumeric are very lightweight. but they work :) | 14:35 |
| Macer | wish they had cups support and could print from the n810 directly but blah | 14:35 |
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| Macer | yeah. androffice is still only a spreadsheet editor | 14:35 |
| Macer | so they should seriously just change the name to "andsheet" or something :) | 14:36 |
| Macer | either way. there is no easy way to get a bt kb to work on an android phone | 14:36 |
| Macer | if i didn't have root on my phone it wouldn't work at all | 14:36 |
| Macer | so far it's been about a year and android has been fail | 14:36 |
| aquatix | myeah, it works for me | 14:36 |
| aquatix | only no bt keyboard | 14:37 |
| Macer | i couldn't believe they released the phone without a2dp support | 14:37 |
| aquatix | but i love my Hero as a phone | 14:37 |
| Macer | heh | 14:37 |
| Macer | i haven't tried a hero rom yet. i'd rather have working apps than a bunch of eye candy | 14:37 |
| * Macer sighs thinking about an n900 | 14:37 | |
| aquatix | well, it's not only eye candy | 14:37 |
| aquatix | they actually managed to put in quite some usability stuff | 14:37 |
| * SpeedEvil sig11s thinking about a n900. | 14:37 | |
| aquatix | which nokia put in the n900 too | 14:37 |
| aquatix | ooh, androffice can edit .ods | 14:38 |
| aquatix | hmmm | 14:38 |
| Macer | yeah | 14:38 |
| Macer | but no doc editor? | 14:38 |
| Macer | :) it's not an office suite | 14:38 |
| Macer | it's a spreadsheet editor | 14:38 |
| Macer | quickoffice on the n95 was so awesome | 14:38 |
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| aquatix | i only need a text editor for my latex stuff | 14:39 |
| Macer | i typed entire term papers on it | 14:39 |
| aquatix | maybe a latex processor would be nice ;) | 14:39 |
| aquatix | hm | 14:39 |
| Macer | :) | 14:39 |
| Macer | with my n95 + su8w | 14:39 |
| aquatix | maybe i can build an app to offload that to a server | 14:39 |
| aquatix | now there's an idea | 14:39 |
| Macer | ah well. i have to go clean a little bit | 14:39 |
| Macer | bbl | 14:39 |
| aquatix | Macer: term papers on n95? | 14:39 |
| aquatix | with bt keyboard i presume? | 14:39 |
| aquatix | otherwise: eek :) | 14:40 |
| aquatix | anyways, good luck | 14:41 |
| frals | im still feeling a bit sad about retiring my n95 for the n900 (when my order lands) | 14:41 |
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| frals | on the other hand i have a feeling i wont regret it :p musicplayer dying while browsing t.m.o is getting annoying ;) | 14:42 |
| aquatix | i rather liked my combo of n810 and SE m600i | 14:42 |
| aquatix | ghehe, yeah | 14:42 |
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| frals | this guy seems a bit more positive than the russian http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=368144#368144 :D | 14:43 |
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| wazd | I think there's something really wrong with Eldar's nxx | 15:06 |
| wazd | Maybe someone sent him broken one like a joke :D | 15:07 |
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| ab | bergie, I cannot thumb up packages on maemo.org, either from FF or IE. What's wrong there? | 15:09 |
| X-Fade | ab: You probably can, but takes a while for it to show. | 15:09 |
| wazd | are you logged in? | 15:09 |
| ab | X-Fade, no activity to my presses | 15:09 |
| ab | wazd, sure | 15:09 |
| X-Fade | ab: It just looks that way. | 15:09 |
| frals | ab: I've had instances where I didn't get any feedback when it happend, but after a refresh it showed up | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | ab: Because there is no feedback what so ever. | 15:10 |
| wazd | ab: just in case :) | 15:10 |
| ab | X-Fade, ok, now it showed up | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | ab: Styling is pretty broken yes, do ping bergie about that ;) | 15:10 |
| ab | anyone else, please thumb up "ogg support" package | 15:10 |
| ab | :) | 15:10 |
| ab | we need two more votes to promote it | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | ab: Only after actually testing it of course :) | 15:11 |
| ab | X-Fade, that is what we all did here :) | 15:11 |
| ab | MediaPlayer is playing Ogg out loud right now on my table | 15:12 |
| frals | on the brainstorm, is there a way to report a solution as duplicate? ie #2 and #4 on http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/portrait_mode_input/ | 15:13 |
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| X-Fade | ab: Anyway, there is a supposed to be a 10 day quarantine period. | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | ab: But I haven't implemented that yet, so you might be lucky ;) | 15:16 |
| ab | X-Fade, I doubt there is a development quarantine :) | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | ab: promotion quarantine. | 15:17 |
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| lcuk | grrr @ lazy vdvsx | 15:22 |
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| tekojo | ab ogg-support seems to have 10/10 | 15:25 |
| kulve | that was fast | 15:26 |
| kulve | it got 3 thumbs since yesterday and now it got the rest quickly :) | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | Yay, attitude is up to 4: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/attitude/0.0.8 | 15:27 |
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| lcuk | :D jaffa! you included a link to the package | 15:28 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: could've been worse, I could've put a link to the AJAX request for thumbs up ;-) | 15:29 |
| lcuk | yes! | 15:30 |
| lcuk | and it wouldv been good | 15:30 |
| * Jaffa wonders how well midgard's voting handles CSRF | 15:30 | |
| lcuk | simplicity | 15:30 |
| lcuk | streamlining | 15:30 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, we have a webbrowser on device - i think it needs using as suggested - perhaps the shortest/quickest method would be to open browser on testing page from ham | 15:31 |
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| atx_fh | bye the way, JNI works fine under meamo arm :) | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: That requires login at least. | 15:31 |
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| ab | kulve, yep, smart promotion within the development team | 15:34 |
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| kulve | I promoted the package again. I guess that means that it ends up to extras..? | 15:35 |
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| X-Fade | kulve: yes | 15:35 |
| kulve | good :) | 15:36 |
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| Anunakin | what is the best store (price and time to receive) to buy a N900 ? | 15:44 |
| Anunakin | amazon? | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | Anunakin: Everything is preorder still, so no actual sales yet. | 15:45 |
| _berto_ | Anunakin: if you live in the UK you can get one with a contract | 15:45 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Could you enable extras-testing/non-free and *disable* promotions to extras from there? | 15:46 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Or will it be too much trouble? | 15:46 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: I will open -devel for non-free soon, I hope. | 15:47 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: But testing requires promotion, as we need to do the dependency checks etc. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: So that takes a bit longer. | 15:48 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: i uploaded openttd today | 15:55 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Oh | 15:56 |
| javispedro | RST38h: can you use the Game options menu while in non-scaled mode? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | javis: Seen it, but could not scale =) | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | javis: It does not scale for me | 15:56 |
| javispedro | RST38h: did you select a "lower" res in game options? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | javis: Yes, and it simply showed black screen | 15:56 |
| javispedro | if you can't phisically hit the options widgets i'll find a way to set that from the cmd line/config file | 15:57 |
| javispedro | :P | 15:57 |
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| javispedro | ok, works here. | 15:57 |
| RST38h | javis: No I managed to set it, let me try again | 15:58 |
| RST38h | This is on startup, right? | 15:58 |
| javispedro | yea, startup screen -> game options | 15:58 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: How does it identify "Bugtracker" on the package page? | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I added those manually. | 16:00 |
| X-Fade | And you can use Xsbc-bugtracker of course ;) | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | Xsbc-Bugtracker even. | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I was about to introduce XSBC-Bugtracker (once I found the actual name) for Attitude, but then saw it was already there | 16:01 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 16:01 | |
| * Jaffa still isn't quite sure about the armel/i386 split for comments/rankings etc. | 16:01 | |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: They should be viewed separate but rating should probably only be on the armel part. | 16:02 |
| RST38h | javis: Tested it again. Shows black screen, briefly flashing the image when task switching | 16:02 |
| RST38h | javis: I selected 400x240 | 16:03 |
| javispedro | that's fullscreen | 16:03 |
| javispedro | select the lower one. | 16:03 |
| RST38h | a'ok | 16:03 |
| javispedro | I know it does not make much sense in n900 but on n810 having fullscreen is a must. | 16:03 |
| RST38h | Trying it on n810 | 16:04 |
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| javispedro | ah, sorry :P | 16:05 |
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| javispedro | then I cannot think of anything else other than a bad updaterects call, lemme check | 16:06 |
| RST38h | javis: Same thing at 400x210 | 16:06 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: I think I'm going to change Attitude to try and use Clutter or even OpenGL-ES rather than Cairo. Feel free to raise a bug and you can get some karma ;-) | 16:27 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Heh, it is a bit slideshow-ish ;) | 16:27 |
| tigert | make a bubble-level mode | 16:28 |
| tigert | and calibration adjustment | 16:28 |
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| tigert | it shows a bit off for me - maybe do a 10 sec sampling and filter to find the most stable value | 16:28 |
| tigert | of course one needs a straight surface to begin with :) | 16:29 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: timsamoff's drawing me some nice graphics for a bubblelevel mode | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | tigert: It's doing sampling at the moment, but Cairo not using any 2D accel's a bit of a pain | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | tigert: It's doing sampling at the moment, but Cairo not using any 2D accel's a bit of a pain | 16:30 |
| * Jaffa wants to get Hermes up and into extras-testing ASAP. That'll be much more popular (and useful) | 16:31 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, it maxes out the cpu ;) | 16:31 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: That's not a QA requirement ;-p | 16:31 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Does now waste energy? :) | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | *not | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I just open fb0 and bang it directly | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Heh | 16:32 |
| javispedro | openvg! openvg! | 16:32 |
| tigert | Jaffa: cool | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | But the SGX should even have hardware dithering. | 16:32 |
| RST38h | unless you need to zoom or draw lots of stuff, direct banging is the best option | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Why would you need to dither in 16bpp? | 16:33 |
| tigert | whats hermes? | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Or do you mean antialiasing? | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Banding | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 16bpp has only 5 bits of red and blue | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | banding is unfortunately obvious on some images | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | s/some/many | 16:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: mmm, at our size of the screen? :) | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, start attitude and see :) | 16:34 |
| RST38h | Heh | 16:34 |
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| RST38h | Blizzard actually does antialiasing, but this is different... | 16:34 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Hermes will make sure your contacts have pictures and birthdays against them, if you use Facebook or Twitter | 16:35 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: BTW, Attitude 0.0.6 still shows up in the Repository QA Queue, even 0.0.8 is in there as well | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, bug.. | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | I'll remove 0.0.6 completely. | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ta | 16:42 |
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| kulve | X-Fade: any idea how long it should take for a package to be shown in extras after promoting in testing? | 16:45 |
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| Anunakin | any here using "debian easy"? | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | kulve: Yeah, I know exacly how long. | 16:46 |
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| * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the Mer thread. | 16:49 | |
| Jaffa | The Mer sub-section thread? | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah | 16:50 |
| Jaffa | Pfft | 16:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The "Maemo Council" wants to steal my pocket lint! | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | well at least they're taking pride in the community project | 16:52 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Indeed. The suggestion that "the powers that be" don't want Mer to succeed is a little insulting. | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: What's your feeling on a Mer subsection? You pretty much decided last time it came up; time to revisit? Or do you agree with lbt, wait until it's closer to end-user ready? | 16:59 |
| lbt | I think there are + and - | 17:00 |
| lbt | + makes it more official and brings attention (and maybe resource) | 17:00 |
| lbt | - makes it appear that it should be as glossy as N900 videos ... and people are unhappy and we get fights and distractions | 17:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles will point out again that it's shit like that that takes the fun out of this job. | 17:01 | |
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| Stskeeps | let's make the people happy? :P | 17:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Steal their pocket lint! | 17:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then their paranoid delusions can be right. | 17:02 |
| jaska | and knit screen wipers from the lint? | 17:02 |
| X-Fade | Less talk, more doing. | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | There's a Mer hacking push at the summit? Let's create the sub-forum then, and populate it with a prepared sticky? | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | Don't want to give the trolls the satisfaction of thinking they did it ;-) | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd rather not want a repetition of the fact the smartq mer community warped out into a seperate forum, heh | 17:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Calibrating 5 LCDs takes forever. | 17:13 |
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| zuii | is there anyone know how to install libhildonmm library? | 17:17 |
| zuii | hello? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | install it from extras? | 17:18 |
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| zuii | sorry, calling... | 17:20 |
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| zuii | stskeeps.. | 17:26 |
| zuii | the sdk i installed is maemo5 beta2 | 17:26 |
| asj_wrk- | http://media.weathersealed.com/maps/mcd_us_high.jpg -- I find this disturbing | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | hah :P | 17:27 |
| aquatix | oh wow | 17:27 |
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| lopz | hi ;) | 17:27 |
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| zuii | there is no extra source for libhildonmm | 17:28 |
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| murrayc | zuii: Is this on Fremantle? | 17:28 |
| zuii | yes | 17:28 |
| murrayc | zuii: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs_unstable/tutorial/html/sec-installation.html | 17:28 |
| murrayc | Basically, it's in extras-devel. | 17:29 |
| zuii | thx let me see | 17:29 |
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| zuii | updating... | 17:31 |
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| zuii | installing..... thanks very much,murrayc | 17:34 |
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| pupnik_ | mplayer seems (?) to have no way to tell codecs to timescale - eg playback mp3/mp4/ogg/aac etc fraöes at varying speeds (without changing pitch) | 17:41 |
| pupnik_ | s/fraöes/frames/ | 17:42 |
| infobot | pupnik_ meant: mplayer seems (?) to have no way to tell codecs to timescale - eg playback mp3/mp4/ogg/aac etc frames at varying speeds (without changing pitch) | 17:42 |
| pupnik_ | a slick media player should support that (flag to all @ nokia :) | 17:42 |
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| pupnik_ | wish i had a job where i could tell people what to do :) | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Get a job as a traffic warden. | 17:44 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 17:44 |
| asj_wrk- | pupnik_: all jobs have people telling you want to do, run your own company with 50 staff, now you just have 100 customers tell you want to do | 17:45 |
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| asj_wrk- | s/want/what/g | 17:45 |
| infobot | asj_wrk- meant: pupnik_: all jobs have people telling you what to do, run your own company with 50 staff, now you just have 100 customers tell you what to do | 17:45 |
| pupnik_ | obviously | 17:46 |
| pupnik_ | is what made my comment ironic | 17:47 |
| asj_wrk- | ah well | 17:47 |
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| pupnik_ | regardless, ill put a varispeed player on my to do list | 17:47 |
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| pupnik_ | heres the reason: many non-native english speakers can understand fast native english better when played back timestretched to 0.7 speed | 17:48 |
| asj_wrk- | what do people use that for? | 17:48 |
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| asj_wrk- | ah | 17:49 |
| lardman|home | afternoon all | 17:49 |
| pupnik_ | esp :) | 17:49 |
| pupnik_ | hi | 17:49 |
| pupnik_ | how u dooing? | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: it's probably a filter I suspect, not a codec thing | 17:49 |
| pupnik_ | no no no | 17:49 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 17:50 |
| lardman|home | hi pupnik_ | 17:50 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer seems (?) to have no way to tell codecs to timescale - eg playback mp3/mp4/ogg/aac etc fraÃmes at varying speeds (without changing pitch) | 17:50 |
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| ShadowJK | Mplayer has a scaletempo filter | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: yes - that is not a thing a codec can often sanely do | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: it would be a filter | 17:50 |
| ShadowJK | Codecs have nothing to do with it | 17:50 |
| pupnik_ | yes, that resamples the pcm audio | 17:50 |
| ShadowJK | -af scaletempo | 17:51 |
| pupnik_ | sounds like shit | 17:51 |
| ShadowJK | Might be newer feature than rc1 though | 17:51 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer -af scaletempo=scale=.6 bnt.mp3 | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: which did the required fft magic - some codecs - for example PCM or FLAC - have no idea at all of frequency spectrum - and would need to totally reimplement the same code to do pitch bending | 17:51 |
| pupnik_ | without resampling the pcm stream as an audio plugin does | 17:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | You fundamentally have to resample, the maths cannot be denied. | 17:52 |
| pupnik_ | correct speedevil | 17:52 |
| pupnik_ | any way you slice it, the mplayer codec api needs a new timescale variable | 17:52 |
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| ShadowJK | Resampling is a different operation again :) | 17:53 |
| pupnik_ | andso freq domain codecs can implement it | 17:53 |
| zuii | is there anyone using ESbox now? | 17:53 |
| zuii | How to import a project? | 17:53 |
| ShadowJK | Pupnik: what, shift the mp3 bands up on decode? | 17:53 |
| pupnik_ | no, pkayback frames faster | 17:54 |
| pupnik_ | pitch stays same | 17:54 |
| ShadowJK | It doesn't work like that | 17:54 |
| pupnik_ | oror slower | 17:54 |
| pupnik_ | yes.. it.. does | 17:54 |
| pupnik_ | freq domain does | 17:54 |
| zuii | i got it ... | 17:55 |
| pupnik_ | good luck zuii | 17:55 |
| ShadowJK | i know of no codec that support it anyway. So an API is a chicken-egg problem right now anyways | 17:55 |
| zuii | thx | 17:55 |
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| pupnik_ | i just want it on the record that pupnik said "IT WILL BE SO" on | 18:03 |
| pupnik_ | Thu Sep 24 17:03:02 CEST 2009 | 18:03 |
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| zuii | I met a error when i want to run my gtk application, osso_initialize failed | 18:09 |
| zuii | anyone know how to fix it? | 18:10 |
| zuii | use run-standalone.sh can make it work, but why? | 18:11 |
| sp3000 | environment stuff | 18:11 |
| GAN800 | dneary, ping? | 18:12 |
| sp3000 | depending on how you got your command line you may not have the ...dunno, dbus somethings and such | 18:12 |
| dneary | GAN800: Pong! | 18:12 |
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| zuii | maemo 5 beta2 | 18:12 |
| GAN800 | dneary, so, I'd like to see about running through the site content and cleaning up everything before the Summit. | 18:12 |
| GAN800 | Moving/deleting/revising | 18:13 |
| GAN800 | Since we've got a lot of half-working (email forums) and legacy stuff. | 18:13 |
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| acouto | hi all | 18:14 |
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| acouto | which package do i have to install to use liblocation on scratchbox? (DIABLO_ARMEL) | 18:15 |
| zuii | i don't know.... | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | acouto, isnt liblocation the thing that uses gps? | 18:23 |
| lcuk | or is it the one that does clock selection | 18:23 |
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| acouto | lcuk, gps | 18:24 |
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| lcuk | normally the sdk includes -dev versions of the libraries | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | Is liblocation a diablo thing or is it new in fremantle? | 18:25 |
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| acouto | ShadowJK, diablo | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | wb qw | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12 | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | Thanks, STiAT | 18:32 |
| qwerty12 | *Stskeeps, sorry STiAT | 18:32 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, what happens if the error is with writing to syslog | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, new in Fremantle. | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah - possible - I need to work out some method of oops-logging | 18:36 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, that would explain his problem then lol | 18:37 |
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| * Jaffa wants a libgpsbt <-> liblocation bridge so that navicore will work on Fremantle | 18:38 | |
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| * GeneralAntilles wants a cake pony. | 18:39 | |
| * Myrtti votes for cheesecake | 18:39 | |
| RST38h | Why the hell do you want navicore? | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Cos I've used Ovi Maps ;-) | 18:39 |
| lardman|home | is libgpsbt closed? | 18:39 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:39 |
| RST38h | is navicore better then? | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Navicore seems quicker; does voice turn-by-turn nav; shows you your speed and I paid 10 quid for a 3 year licence for it. | 18:40 |
| lardman|home | yeah same here | 18:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be nice if Nokia provided an upgrade route for Navicore users. | 18:40 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Navicore also uses pre-downloaded maps; whereas Ovi tends to want to download on demand (although their is an S60 area downloader, which might work for the Maemo version too) | 18:40 |
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| RST38h | I think you can predownload for ovi | 18:41 |
| RST38h | just need to know where to place stuff | 18:41 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, there are various cache directories which look appropriate | 18:42 |
| lardman|home | anyone got a link to the libgpsbt deb? | 18:42 |
| Jaffa | Ovi Maps looks pretty, but seems pretty limited in functionality (and the UI is a confusing mess IMHO) | 18:42 |
| RST38h | the ovi maemo ui looks confusing though | 18:42 |
| lcuk | i really like the nightmode | 18:42 |
| RST38h | heh | 18:42 |
| lcuk | the maps look like 3d tunnels and pipework | 18:42 |
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| Jaffa | lardman|home: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/gpsbt/group__gpsbt__api.html is the API ref | 18:44 |
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| RST38h | that is changeable, but what the hell is my current address doing in the middle of the map? And why can't I remove it? | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Yeah. Loads of wasted space, mostly in where you want to go | 18:44 |
| qwerty12 | lardman|home: Diablo's one is part of nokia-binaries; look in your homedir for your SB account | 18:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: My guess is that they ported S60 UI with 1:1 precision. But the S60 UI was designed for small screens and button input | 18:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: On the tablet, it looks weird and out of place | 18:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully it'll improve. | 18:45 |
| lardman|home | qwerty12: ok cool | 18:45 |
| RST38h | General: It won't unless 10-20 people tell Quim/Peter/etc that it is ridiculous | 18:46 |
| RST38h | And point out exactly why | 18:46 |
| lardman|home | Jaffa: well those functions don't look too exciting to me | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should prep a review article. | 18:46 |
| RST38h | Even in that case it may still not improve, but anyway | 18:46 |
| lardman|home | Jaffa: perhaps Navicore could be tricked | 18:46 |
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| RST38h | General: Actually, Eldar seems to have done a good job (translation tomorrow), except for his whining | 18:47 |
| Jaffa | lardman|home: Indeed, either a new libgpsbt which just maps through to the appropriate real calls; or just a copy of the diablo variants ;-) | 18:47 |
| lardman|home | pairing stuff could be ignored | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | lardman|home: I didn't look much further than a dpkg-repack and an unsatisfied link dependency when starting it | 18:48 |
| lardman|home | does Navicore read from a gpsd port, or from a dev entry? | 18:49 |
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| lardman|home | just hope Navicore doesn't have any hardcoded gstreamer elements in it | 18:50 |
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| lardman|home | like dsp sinks | 18:50 |
| javispedro | lardman: navicore, gst? | 18:51 |
| javispedro | why? O.o | 18:51 |
| lardman|home | well it makes noises, so it must come out somehow | 18:51 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ok, good news and bad news | 18:51 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Good news: 420x210 does work | 18:52 |
| javispedro | :) | 18:52 |
| javispedro | bad news? | 18:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Bad news: command line options do not work in this binary, and enabling this mode from the menu is near impossible, especially considering that once you resize, you can no longer close the window | 18:52 |
| javispedro | ah, that rings a bell, wait. | 18:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Fixing the command line options and inseting the right resolution into .desktop file should do the job | 18:53 |
| javispedro | i did not touch anything cmd line options related | 18:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: This leaves a few small problems, like the news items being wider than the screen | 18:54 |
| RST38h | javis: probably means they have been already broken :) | 18:54 |
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| javispedro | were they broken in prev binary? | 18:54 |
| RST38h | dunno | 18:54 |
| javispedro | you may still have it in /usr/games if you did not replace it | 18:54 |
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| javispedro | and, can you elaborate what you mean by "broken"? -h works well | 18:55 |
| lcuk | ahhhhh my eyes are hurting | 18:55 |
| lcuk | vnc is flickering worse than a crt | 18:56 |
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| javispedro | "If Maemo 5 begin popular, it will be copied. If not popular, not copied." :D | 19:00 |
| RST38h | javispedro: replaced it | 19:00 |
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| felipec | maemo is a bunch of open source software, how can you copy that? it's already out there | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | felipec, shhhh | 19:16 |
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| felipec | lcuk: heh, what? did I reveal a secret? | 19:17 |
| lcuk | ontday entionmay itsway openway ourcesay orway everyoneway | 19:19 |
| lcuk | illway opycay itway | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | http://users.snowcrest.net/donnelly/piglatin.html | 19:20 |
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| lardman|home | :) | 19:21 |
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| lardman|home | bit random mind you | 19:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, ping? | 19:26 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, pong | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, wanna room? | 19:26 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, sure :) | 19:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Cool. | 19:28 |
| * GeneralAntilles edits away. ;) | 19:28 | |
| lardman|home | hmm, half the pre-booked rooms are filled, but mostly with only one person | 19:29 |
| lardman|home | well 50% | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | HOMETIME! | 19:30 |
| keesj | lcuk: About http://www.tomtom.com/page/openLR I only heard of it when the the press release was created and I was really puzzeld | 19:30 |
| lardman|home | are you not there all day long? | 19:30 |
| lcuk | keesj, i was only joking, but its a really cool thing coming from your company | 19:31 |
| lcuk | bbiab anyway | 19:32 |
| keesj | I like the idea , I don't understand the whole concept. Would like them to make the libs at least lgpl | 19:33 |
| keesj | v.s. gpl | 19:33 |
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| keesj | are people using different interfaces to the forum or do you really need to click for every few messages to the next page? | 19:41 |
| lbt | there's a forum? | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | keesj, you can change how many messages it displays per page. | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it defaults to 10. | 19:41 |
| * Jaffa didn't know you could change the count. Interesting | 19:42 | |
| RST38h | Hmmm...Sodaville released | 19:42 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: The USA is suffering the most severe ammunition famine in living memory. Gun fanciers, fearing a Democrat crackdown on every American's right to pack heat, are clearing shelves at ammo shops and hoarding cartridges. | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/profile.php?do=editoptions | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's so goddamn expensive to go shooting. | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3 or 4x times the price it 18 months ago. | 19:43 |
| RST38h | General: I tried a couple of times, a few years ago, it was already expensive | 19:43 |
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| lardman|home | lol | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but at least it was doable. | 19:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | $11.99 for a box of 50 Winchester Whitebox 9mms | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | $10 for the range fee. | 19:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Call it $50 to go for an evening. | 19:44 |
| lardman|home | I got to say I'd be in favour of adding a Mer subsection | 19:45 |
| lardman|home | GeneralAntilles: I can buy 2 rounds of drinks for that, stop complaining | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|home, that was then. | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now you can't even get the whiteboxes. | 19:45 |
| lardman|home | well I've not often been able to buy ammo down my local pub I must admit | 19:46 |
| lardman|home | though I reckon I know a few where it might be possible | 19:46 |
| lardman|home | where's qwerty12 when you need him...? ;) | 19:46 |
| Jaffa | lardman|home: I don't care; but I object to the way the opinions have been expressed. | 19:46 |
| qwerty12 | lardman|home: In quiet little Bath? Surely not | 19:46 |
| Jaffa | penguinbait in particular | 19:46 |
| lardman|home | Jaffa: oh yeah of course | 19:46 |
| Jaffa | Well, not in particular | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was considering going a couple months ago but it'd've been $150 just to shoot off 100 9mms. | 19:47 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he should get into that thread or not. | 19:47 | |
| lardman|home | Jaffa: he's talking about some people who were removed from the council being in the way of creating the new forum? | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | s/forum/subsection | 19:48 |
| lardman|home | not that many of us.... | 19:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, it'd probably help. | 19:48 |
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| aSIMULAter | good evening | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | Wtf, n920 thread. Atleast nokia wont have issues coming up with names | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since at this point the opinion seems to be that the "evil" council is trying to get the working man down. | 19:48 |
| Jaffa | lardman|home: I *think* he's suggesting that the new council should just make a decision and that the old council is trying to control things whilst they desperately cling to power. | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'm heavily counting on the majority of council being sane. | 19:49 |
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| lardman|home | oh, it sounded like the old old council members who left were the ones at fault... | 19:49 |
| Jaffa | But I'm not aware of many ppl on the council who've actually posted "no, it's a bad idea". In fact, I don't even remember any "no, it's a bad idea" from anybody. Just that it is like this for a reason, and the decision should be taken sensibly | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I might change my mind now :) | 19:50 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Hopefully, there aren't too many insane names on the new ballot | 19:50 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Back story: in some twitter/lj post Eldar Murtazin referred to "N920" as a legendary RX-56 (?) device to be released in the summer 2010 | 19:50 |
| lardman|home | I wonder if I have those superpowers anyway | 19:50 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Some t.m.o loony applid Google Translate to that and went nuts | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | Nokia Gruntmaster 10.000 | 19:51 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: To perpetrate the madness, I can inform you all that Eldar also mentioned 2 non-Nokia Maemo5 devices, currently in dev board form | 19:51 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: if he thinks wazd is a nokia employee things might start getting confusing | 19:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Beagle Board, Touchbook? ;) | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: he once claimed all maemo.org people to be in pay of Nokia | 19:55 |
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| Myrtti | cheesecake | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what, we're not? ;) | 19:55 |
| RST38h | General: My crystal balls say Samsung, but I won't bet on it | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd have a hard time seeing Nokia licensing Maemo. | 19:55 |
| lardman|home | wtf, that 920 thread links to some wishful thinking blog posts | 19:56 |
| RST38h | General: They licensed S60, so why not Maemo? They sell hw after all | 19:56 |
| arquebus | could I trouble someone to tell me how apps are installed on maemo? is there a package manager or repo? | 19:56 |
| Myrtti | or? | 19:57 |
| Myrtti | they're certainly not exclusive | 19:57 |
| lardman|home | arquebus: repos w/ package manager or apt-get, etc | 19:57 |
| arquebus | Myrtti: didnt say there were | 19:57 |
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| arquebus | lardman: k thx | 19:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, Application Manager | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, it's basically a dumbed-down, mobile-friendly package manager similar to Ubuntu's Add/Remove. | 19:59 |
| arquebus | GeneralAntilles: ok, surprised to hear that, I didnt think commercial apps would work well with a package manager | 20:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, what commercial apps? | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, Ovi Store is, apparently, coming at some point, but not yet. | 20:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's unclear how it will be implemented. | 20:00 |
| arquebus | GeneralAntilles: I dont know, I dont have a maemo device, Im just wondering how easy it will be to dev for it | 20:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 20:01 |
| arquebus | GeneralAntilles: thx | 20:02 |
| lbt | arquebus: you looking to develop OSS or closed apps? | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, not radically different from developing for any normal Linux distro. | 20:02 |
| lbt | either one will work with a package manager | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, minus the cross-compilation part. | 20:02 |
| arquebus | lbt- closed apps | 20:02 |
| arquebus | like games | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, those will work fine with the Application Manager but there's no payment system through it and no DRM. | 20:02 |
| arquebus | GeneralAntilles: ok, great | 20:03 |
| lbt | your main issue is to make sure you don't depend on any GPL stuff then - otherwise, just a package. | 20:03 |
| lbt | no DRM either | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | commercial doesn't have to mean DRM | 20:03 |
| lbt | no, worth mentioning though as there can be an expectation | 20:04 |
| arquebus | lbt- good point, hope maemo does opengl well | 20:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, of course not, but it's certainly a possibility. | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, OpenGL ES 2.0 | 20:05 |
| arquebus | GeneralAntilles: ok | 20:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some overview here: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=332992&postcount=27 <- will the thread explode? | 20:06 |
| * lbt wonders how to do OSS 'for pay' | 20:06 | |
| lbt | there should be an option to provide a GPL app that you hold the copyright for through the store | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | OSS for pay is just like OSS without pay, but with a 'buy' button. | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | As one option. | 20:07 |
| Myrtti | lbt: there's several different models | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, XChat for Windows. | 20:07 |
| arquebus | lbt- GPL is totally wrong for that, GPL means always in public domain, a BSD or MIT license can be closed and owned privately | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Then you've got open-source - but no permission to modify and distribute | 20:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Source is free, binaries are charged for. | 20:07 |
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| lcuk | lbt, bespoke apps constructed to requirements by interested parties without the skills to do it themselves | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, GPL is not public domain. | 20:08 |
| lbt | I want to sell *my* GPL apps | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | You can sell your GPL apps - but you can't stop anyone forking them | 20:08 |
| lbt | so put them on an app store and have people pay to install them | 20:08 |
| lcuk | nothing stopping you | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | if it's GPL | 20:08 |
| lbt | I know they can be forked | 20:08 |
| Myrtti | a) precompiled binaries are commercial, like xchat for windows b) support is commercial, like canonical does with ubuntu etc | 20:08 |
| arquebus | GeneralAntilles: what I mean is that source must always be made open, you cant close source and take ownership of your version | 20:08 |
| lcuk | its not the code that matters | 20:08 |
| lbt | but what I don't want is for the store to assume that GPL is free :) | 20:08 |
| lcuk | its the brand recognition from the app | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | arquebus, you're the copyright holder, you can do whatever you want. | 20:09 |
| lcuk | and any fork would have to build up its own brand | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | You can't relicense already distributed code, but you can stop distributing under the GPL. | 20:09 |
| arquebus | GeneralAntilles: anything accept close source | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | arquebus: If you're teh author you can | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | arquebus: If you write something as GPL, you can also license it however you like. | 20:09 |
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| lcuk | if all parties who are involved in its development are in agreement | 20:10 |
| arquebus | SpeedEvil: ok, maybe Im not very knowledgable | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, there may be a pay-for-license which gives the purchasor the right to incorporate the software into non GPL projects | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Which they couldn't do with the GPL version | 20:10 |
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| arquebus | thx all | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, you're in league with the cabal! | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: next up they start claiming i'm a nokian or something and i want to bring down the community.. | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:13 |
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| * GeneralAntilles doesn't know when he let -developers get up to 438 unread mails. | 20:14 | |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: what? oh my. | 20:20 |
| keesj | it's funny but it's only since today that I am at least able to explain to techniqual people what maemo is. I think tell it's the linux based os that run's Nokia's first open-source based phone finally rings a bell | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | you try and explain Mer to people then | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | that's fun. uhm. :P | 20:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, the only people I'd ever try to explain that to would have the background to understand it. | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | ah, the issues of oss evangelization. | 20:24 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find nice places to visit in helsinki | 20:24 | |
| * lcuk facepalms | 20:25 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, go find a Nokia executive to ask them why they had North America. :P | 20:25 |
| _berto_ | Stskeeps: all helsinki is nice | 20:25 |
| toggles_w | Stskeeps: want my ex girlfriends digits? | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | toggles_w: nah, my wife is coming up | 20:25 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: Suomenlinna | 20:25 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | Myrtti: provided weather is nice.. | 20:26 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: take the ferry, but be sure to be clothed properly | 20:26 |
| Myrtti | yeah | 20:26 |
| qwerty12 | toggles_w: So, has Stskeeps /msg'ed you for them yet? ;) | 20:26 |
| Myrtti | there's a picasso show going on | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. advertisements everywhere | 20:26 |
| toggles_w | qwerty12: lol, no | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | temple square church looks interesting | 20:27 |
| Myrtti | yeah, I've always wanted to see it | 20:27 |
| Myrtti | never have | 20:27 |
| * SpeedEvil prefers fishfingers. Less legal problems. | 20:27 | |
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| _berto_ | i think i liked seurasaari more than suomenlinna | 20:28 |
| Corsac | hhmh | 20:28 |
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| Corsac | Disponibilité: Arrivage prévu Jeudi 22 Octobre | 20:29 |
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| * SpeedEvil tries to remember what Jeudi is. | 20:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | wedensday? | 20:31 |
| _berto_ | thursday | 20:32 |
| _berto_ | wednesday is mercredi | 20:32 |
| jhp | Hi everyone. I'm looking for a new phone for me and my boss, and now I found the Nokia 900 looking very promissing. | 20:32 |
| _berto_ | jhp: it is ;) | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | jhp, buy it. ;) | 20:32 |
| jhp | My boss had 2 questions though, can it do desent Imap with folder subscriptions etc and multiple accounts? | 20:33 |
| jhp | And can I use is as a "modem" for my laptop | 20:33 |
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| _berto_ | jhp: the mail client suppots imap and multiple accounts | 20:33 |
| jhp | And this second part would be great if you could have a phone call and at the same time use the HSDPA connection for internet on your laptop | 20:34 |
| * javispedro laughs at n920 thread. | 20:34 | |
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| jhp | _berto_: and you can also do more that just the inbox? | 20:35 |
| _berto_ | jhp: yes | 20:35 |
| jhp | Great. | 20:35 |
| _berto_ | jhp: all folders | 20:35 |
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| jhp | And also subscriptions / leave folder out? | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | jhp: and if you get upset with the internal mail client, there's alternatives :) | 20:36 |
| jhp | Thunderbird? | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | elm? | 20:36 |
| jhp | elm is good | 20:36 |
| _berto_ | jhp: not completely sure about subscriptions | 20:36 |
| jhp | But my boss is more a Thunderbird kind of gue | 20:36 |
| jhp | guy | 20:36 |
| jhp | And does it do openvpn? | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | i use openvpn on n800/n810 | 20:37 |
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| jhp | Great. This phone starts to be more and more apealing to me. | 20:38 |
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| _berto_ | jhp: it's a debian-based distro, you can install just about any package | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mac Pro is here!!!! | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | Not sure if it's available for n900 yet, I'll cross that bridge when I have it in my hands :) | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | jhp: are you a linux/unix type person? | 20:38 |
| jhp | Yes, and so is my boss. | 20:38 |
| jhp | We run a Linux business. | 20:39 |
| jhp | But I have a really old phone and he got stuck with some win mobile crapp thing. | 20:39 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: nice! hopefully you got it with an apology signed by the steveness himself. | 20:39 |
| jhp | So we both want something different | 20:39 |
| ShadowJK | Open the xterm, type 'sudo gainroot', knock yourself out | 20:40 |
| jhp | Great | 20:40 |
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| _berto_ | jhp: they're telling me that the email client doesn't support subscriptions, it gets all folders | 20:41 |
| jhp | And can you use it as a Wireless APP for you notebook ? | 20:41 |
| jhp | Or can you plugg a usb cable in for ethernet on usb? | 20:41 |
| jhp | Something to give internet to my laptop while on the road. | 20:42 |
| jhp | In that case I can ditch my hsdpa modem | 20:42 |
| _berto_ | jhp: not completely sure, but I don't see a reason why you wouldn't be able to do it | 20:43 |
| jhp | It must have the interface to do it and the kernel must support it. | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ethernet over usb you mean, as in kernel usbnet | 20:43 |
| jhp | I mean, the iphone could also do it and they killed it in the last update. | 20:43 |
| jhp | Stskeeps: For example | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | jhp: you're always free to recompile your kernel :) | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | Dunno how the support is out of the box | 20:43 |
| _berto_ | well, the kernel is free software, I don't think you'll have problems to enable the ethernet over usb module | 20:44 |
| _berto_ | (assuming that it doesn't come with it) | 20:44 |
| jhp | But noone knows ..... | 20:44 |
| jhp | ? | 20:44 |
| ccooke | Oh, that's fun | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | jhp: i think until release a bunch of people are covered by NDA but it would surprise me a lot if g_ether wasn't enable-able. | 20:44 |
| ShadowJK | The bluez guys are going to post a guide on how to enable serving out internet over bluetooth | 20:45 |
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| jhp | ShadowJK: That is an option as well | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | jhp: you can sudo into being root and probably flash your own kernel.. work your way from there :) | 20:45 |
| ccooke | article from the UK recommending the n900 because "It's cheap, really cheap." | 20:45 |
| _berto_ | yes, I think there's lots of way to create a network interface between the n900 and your laptop | 20:45 |
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| jhp | Stskeeps: is an option. | 20:45 |
| ccooke | ( http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/9/24/4-great-alternatives-o2s-palm-pre-2842-month/ ) | 20:45 |
| * SpeedEvil has a slightly different definition of cheap :) | 20:46 | |
| ShadowJK | Ccooke: well you get it free with subscription in UK | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose in a way they're right. | 20:46 |
| ccooke | ShadowJK: I know. It's a truly marvellous state of affairs. | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | jhp: check out the situation with n800/n810 internet tablets. probably similar solution | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | And when you compare prices that dont require a marriage with an operator, it's 150-500E below iphone 3gs :> | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | n900 should be bloody flexible :) | 20:47 |
| ccooke | it *is* cheap... I currently pay £30 a month for my wife's phone. She uses it enough to justify that. I've got her an n900 on a 24-month contract for £35 | 20:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I agree. That way the screen won't break if you sit on it. | 20:47 |
| ccooke | that works out at £120 *additional* over two years. | 20:47 |
| ccooke | So basically, I'm paying £120 for a £500 device. Not going to complain :-) | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ccooke: on voda? | 20:48 |
| ccooke | yeah | 20:48 |
| lcuk | *vodka | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | does the USA have a similar independant phone shop sector? | 20:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Where the shops get kickbacks for contracts, and can apply that to any phone | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 20:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | (if they choose to) | 20:49 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: What I've seen makes me doubt it. The market in the US seems rather constrained | 20:49 |
| toggles_w | there is one here, sites like wirefly.com | 20:50 |
| ccooke | I mean, in the UK the biggest high street names are the independant phone shops - carphone warehouse, phones4u are at least as recognised as the networks - CPW more so | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | What pisses me off abou thte UK market is that you can't take the above contract with SIM only. | 20:50 |
| ccooke | IIRC someone said that CPW would be subsidising the n900, too | 20:50 |
| lardman|home | bbiam | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - you can - but it's the same price as with a hundred quiddish phone | 20:50 |
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| Myrtti | somethings I'm going to miss from Finland then in UK | 20:51 |
| ccooke | Myrtti: oh? | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | The mobile phone market is a lot less screwed now than it was a few years back. | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (in the UK) | 20:51 |
| ccooke | SpeedEvil: yes | 20:51 |
| Myrtti | there's exactly one phone that you can't get from Finland without a contract | 20:51 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if it has a relation to fruit. | 20:52 | |
| Myrtti | and all contracts and all simcards work with all phones | 20:52 |
| javispedro | Myrtti: a phone with an apple logo somewhere? ;) | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | javispedro: bingo | 20:52 |
| _berto_ | Myrtti: is it locked to a single carrier ? | 20:53 |
| ccooke | If they could, Apple would make the iphone without a SIM card at all :-) | 20:53 |
| _berto_ | ccooke: they did, it's called iPod Touch | 20:54 |
| jaska | its strange.. considering its available unlocked elsewhere | 20:54 |
| Myrtti | _berto_: I doubt any of the phones in finland are *really* locked to a sim and a sim carrier | 20:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | What happened with the screwing up unlocked legally iphone things on update/ | 20:54 |
| lcuk | i thought capacitive screens had problems in cold weather | 20:54 |
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| _berto_ | Myrtti: I mean, in Spain you can only get an iPhone from Telefonica, and I think it's the same in the US with AT&T | 20:54 |
| lcuk | and in detailed high precision environments | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | UK = O2 | 20:54 |
| _berto_ | O2 is Telefonica I think | 20:55 |
| javispedro | yes | 20:55 |
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| ccooke | lcuk: and when wet | 20:55 |
| Myrtti | _berto_: yeah, only one carrier that have it - but I don't know if the device has actual software restrictions that stop it working with any other sim/network than theirs | 20:55 |
| lcuk | mmm im not sure i would ever like to test that one | 20:55 |
| lcuk | tho ive seen nokia phone doofer of guy swimming then taking a call | 20:55 |
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| ccooke | lcuk: no, I mean if your fingers are wet | 20:56 |
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| lcuk | you cant use it? | 20:56 |
| _berto_ | Myrtti: I say that because in some countries you can't sell it locked to a single carrier, all of them must be able to offer it | 20:56 |
| dragorn | Myrtti: apple has made significant efforts to lock it to a single carrier, both in the baseband and in the OS layer | 20:56 |
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| jaska | yeah.. locked phones were illegal here before, sadly someone managed to lobby it through | 20:56 |
| ccooke | lcuk: capacitive screens are unreliable when even slightly damp | 20:56 |
| Myrtti | *shrug* I'm a Nokia fangirl, don't know, don't care | 20:57 |
| lcuk | interesting | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | Myrtti: yeah it's locked in .fi, but if you pay off the full price of it, sonera must legally unlock it for you | 20:57 |
| * lcuk smiles | 20:57 | |
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| Myrtti | I had a Samsung phone for about a year once, hated it quite a lot | 20:57 |
| ccooke | lcuk: it's a little annoying on my current HTC Magic. | 20:58 |
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| * lardman|home realises he's given away his last old Nokia charger and now needs one for his other sim card | 20:58 | |
| dragorn | ShadowJK: unfortunately apple has taking to blocking stuff in the OS if it's a non-authorized network, even on factory unlocked phones | 20:58 |
| lcuk | dragorn, good! | 20:59 |
| _berto_ | well, you can't even use it without iTunes ... | 20:59 |
| javispedro | dragorn: what?? | 20:59 |
| javispedro | O.o | 20:59 |
| jaska | itunes.. eww | 20:59 |
| dragorn | javispedro: looking for the article. it started with blocking push notifications, there's something new that they did recently | 20:59 |
| javispedro | i've understimated the iphone evilness again, seems. | 21:00 |
| lcuk | dragorn, maybe thats not conspiracy and just crapinterconnects ;) | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, of course you have - try to change the on device media player ;) | 21:00 |
| javispedro | easy. meld the phone and replace it with a sony walkman. | 21:01 |
| dragorn | javispedro: oh right, tethering | 21:01 |
| dragorn | javispedro: they've disabled tethering on non-authorized networks, even on legitimately unlocked phones | 21:01 |
| dragorn | javispedro: to prevent you from moving your data plan | 21:01 |
| dragorn | (well, if you use pc tethering, anyhow) | 21:01 |
| javispedro | that's a topic it has always surprised me. | 21:02 |
| dragorn | http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2151255&start=0&tstart=0 | 21:02 |
| * lcuk remembers to file a bug actually | 21:02 | |
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| javispedro | so, even my years old phone allows you to use it as serial modem. | 21:02 |
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| _berto_ | for me the fact alone that it requires itunes is enough to stop me from even considering it | 21:02 |
| javispedro | then the word "tethering" started to appear all over the place and insteand of meaning "more connectivity options" meant less. | 21:03 |
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| * Myrtti is too geeky to have a iphone | 21:03 | |
| * lcuk is too old to have an iphone | 21:03 | |
| lcuk | i learnt how to use a pencil | 21:04 |
| * javispedro is too por to have an iphone | 21:04 | |
| lcuk | and havent stopped since | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | lbt, your fan assisted mer project | 21:05 |
| _berto_ | i had the chance to try an ipod touch a year or two ago and I was shocked when I realized that I had to plug it to a computer with iTunes, otherwise it was just a brick | 21:05 |
| lcuk | hows it comin on | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | _berto_: Indeed - broken. | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | itunes doesn't install into wine | 21:06 |
| lcuk | cant you get the store to do that for you when you buy it, and then never use it again | 21:06 |
| _berto_ | I agree that most people don't care | 21:06 |
| Myrtti | can't be arsed to put up a vm for it | 21:06 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, drink more wine then | 21:06 |
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| lardman|home | _berto_: you can use it wirelessly though, download stuff from iTunes can't you? | 21:07 |
| _berto_ | but well, I'm a happy linux user for more than 10 years and it's amazing that in 2009 we have to see this kind of things | 21:07 |
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| _berto_ | lardman|home: it was new, it hadn't been booted before | 21:08 |
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| _berto_ | it doesn't even boot for the first time if you don't have itunes | 21:08 |
| javispedro | lol. that total blenders consts $399.95 | 21:08 |
| javispedro | er. | 21:08 |
| javispedro | s/blenders consts/blender costs/ | 21:08 |
| lardman|home | _berto_: really, oh well | 21:08 |
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| lardman|home | anyone know if the N800 used a different VIDEO_SRC to the N810? | 21:10 |
| lardman|home | i.e. gconfv4l2src as opposed to v4l2src? | 21:11 |
| lardman|home | I get errors trying to create the former | 21:11 |
| lardman|home | GStreamer obviously ;) | 21:11 |
| X-Fade | lardman|home: There is a video code example in the docs. | 21:11 |
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| X-Fade | lardman|home: diablo docs that is. | 21:12 |
| lardman|home | yeah, seems to use plain v4l2src, but I want the src to flip the video for me | 21:12 |
| lardman|home | if poss | 21:12 |
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| lardman|home | In Python a gconfv4l2src works, just not in C | 21:12 |
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| lardman|home | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2700/camera_viewer.c | 21:14 |
| lardman|home | perhaps I need to install something else on my N800 | 21:14 |
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| Captain_Picard | wao: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhQA-06kSLU&NR=1 | 21:16 |
| Captain_Picard | Star Trek | 21:16 |
| Captain_Picard | rocks | 21:16 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:21 |
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| lardman|home | hmm working, typo | 21:26 |
| lardman|home | oops | 21:26 |
| jeremiah | ENOBACON | 21:31 |
| lardman|home | :) | 21:31 |
| jeremiah | =] | 21:31 |
| lardman|home | I've set my wife to work to correct that error ;) | 21:31 |
| jeremiah | heh | 21:32 |
| lardman|home | assuming I now survive to eat it | 21:32 |
| jeremiah | Fry_up_some_lard_woman!() || ENOBACON | 21:32 |
| lcuk | you will survive eating, its whether its digestable without toxins thats the issue | 21:32 |
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| jeremiah | toxins schmoxins | 21:32 |
| lcuk | you forgot to use sudo | 21:32 |
| lardman|home | well I've not moved back to C code | 21:34 |
| lardman|home | far more lines than Python | 21:34 |
| jeremiah | My pseudo code was perl anyway. :P | 21:34 |
| lardman|home | but starts up quickly which is good | 21:34 |
| lardman|home | jeremiah: ah no, this is not directly related | 21:34 |
| lcuk | is python startup time dependent on parsing the includes | 21:34 |
| lcuk | and what can be done | 21:35 |
| lardman|home | imports | 21:35 |
| lardman|home | yeah, only import some things? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | no, importing still needs to parse all the files | 21:35 |
| lcuk | even if you only do select things within a file | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i mean, can you do same sort of precompiled headers thing you can use with normal c++ type compilation | 21:36 |
| lcuk | to just load a binary blob | 21:36 |
| lcuk | slower to start first run | 21:36 |
| lcuk | but after that your subset is stored pre-parsed | 21:36 |
| lardman|home | no idea | 21:37 |
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| lardman|home | pyrex | 21:37 |
| lcuk | me neither - but loading a single header generated by ctypes for liqbase was horrid | 21:37 |
| lcuk | and that only had 10 lines of code | 21:37 |
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| lardman|home | SWIG might be better then, generates a py class beforehand | 21:38 |
| lardman|home | how can I get xvideosink to drop frames, set the sync property to fasle? | 21:39 |
| lardman|home | false even | 21:39 |
| lardman|home | xvimagesink also | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Set it to ture | 21:40 |
| lcuk | im not sure how it drops frames tbh | 21:40 |
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| lardman|home | qwerty12_N810: true? | 21:40 |
| lardman|home | then it stays in sync with the pipeline? | 21:40 |
| lcuk | ctypes produced a .py file too | 21:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman|home: Dunno, I was taking the piss | 21:40 |
| lardman|home | oh | 21:41 |
| lardman|home | useful :p | 21:41 |
| lardman|home | ;) | 21:41 |
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| pupnik_ | lardman|home: yo | 21:41 |
| lardman|home | hi pupnik_ | 21:41 |
| pupnik_ | do you know any mp3 or ogg players that allow variation of playback rate (before rendering to pcm)"? | 21:41 |
| lcuk | http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan | 21:41 |
| pupnik_ | looking at mpg321 atm | 21:41 |
| Myrtti | pupnik_: hold on, I found one in ubuntu | 21:42 |
| lardman|home | pupnik_: non sorry, need pitch correction then | 21:42 |
| pupnik_ | here's one way to think about it | 21:42 |
| Myrtti | yatm - Command line audio file player with time stretching capabilities | 21:42 |
| pupnik_ | you lie to the codec and say "render to 96khz | 21:42 |
| pupnik_ | wait no forget that :) | 21:42 |
| * lcuk ponders diving into cpython and doing some digging | 21:42 | |
| pupnik_ | Myrtti: that rules | 21:43 |
| Myrtti | I found that looking for an audiobook player :-/ | 21:43 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: swig is quite good | 21:43 |
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| lcuk | lardman, i have a final .py file | 21:43 |
| Myrtti | the *nonexistent* audiobook player | 21:43 |
| * GeneralAntilles cackles evilly. | 21:43 | |
| lcuk | its the startup time that bothers me for now | 21:43 |
| lardman|home | pupnik_: must be a gstreamer element for that somewhere | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: macbook pro or gadget delivery day? | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | _Mac_ Pro | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | FedEx and UPS came one after another. | 21:44 |
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| pupnik_ | awesome awesome awesome awesome Myrtti | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | FedEx with the computer (which I totally wasn't expecting) | 21:44 |
| * pupnik_ dances | 21:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | and UPS with all of the accessories. | 21:44 |
| pupnik_ | this is the most awesomest thing - interactive speed | 21:44 |
| pupnik_ | choose-your-bpm, gentlemen! | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | spin device round head and haaaavvvvvveeeeeeeeeeee iiiiiiittttttttttt mess up | 21:45 |
| pupnik_ | haha listening to rap at 1y5 | 21:45 |
| pupnik_ | 175% | 21:45 |
| jeremiah | http://gizmodo.com/5366263/the-pink-phone-pictures-microsoft-doesnt-want-you-to-see-yet?skyline=true&s=x | 21:45 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Eww, thanks, jeremiah, for ruining my otherwise good day | 21:46 |
| jeremiah | heh | 21:46 |
| jeremiah | Sorry | 21:46 |
| Myrtti | it's not even PINK. | 21:46 |
| Myrtti | sucks arse | 21:46 |
| jeremiah | Ooops. Sorry Myrtti | 21:47 |
| Myrtti | np, I chose to have pink in my hilights | 21:47 |
| pupnik_ | i love making speakers sound drunk | 21:48 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: What is it? A soapbox? | 21:48 |
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| jeremiah | A chunk O plastic | 21:49 |
| lardman|home | hmm, response is still too slow | 21:49 |
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| * lardman|home goes to eat that bacon, amongst other things | 21:51 | |
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| lcuk | ok with all the stuff about n900 usb modes - i saw a think on the nokia pushn900 blog about making robots. http://blogs.nokia.com/pushn900/ | 21:53 |
| lcuk | somehow, the thought of making a killer robot control mechanism depend on bluetooth makes me somewhat queezy (and tingly with mad scientist laugh) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | should a killer robot droid be autonomous, or a simple remote controlled toy? | 21:56 |
| Firebird | autonomous RC heli controller :o | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | Firebird, dont tell lbt, he is playing with making a cpu fan whirr | 21:56 |
| lcuk | skynet will be upon us | 21:56 |
| lcuk | Firebird, you would need a larger unit to carry n900 | 21:57 |
| Firebird | larger unit? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | would need ~18inch plus blades most likely | 21:57 |
| Firebird | no? | 21:57 |
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| Firebird | does the thing weigh like 20 pounds? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | my indoor heli has trouble carrying any payload i try | 21:57 |
| Firebird | oh, I have a 450 sized heli | 21:58 |
| gabriel | hi! i need a little help | 21:58 |
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| lcuk | mind you, finding enough packing tape to hold the cat still has its own problems | 21:58 |
| Firebird | lcuk, ever seen a hobby grade heli? http://site.xheli.com/trex450selarge.jpg | 21:58 |
| lcuk | gabriel, oh noes, whats up | 21:58 |
| gabriel | heh | 21:58 |
| lcuk | yeah - an outdoor model | 21:58 |
| lcuk | whats the rotor span | 21:59 |
| Firebird | it can lift 10lbs and chop your hand off, I'm sure it can handle the N900 | 21:59 |
| gabriel | i need a short answer, is possible compile a java 1.6 version for armv5 ? | 21:59 |
| Firebird | lcuk, ~650mm? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | which is how much in inches.. | 21:59 |
| Firebird | 25 | 21:59 |
| lcuk | which is a bit bigger than my guess of ~18inches | 22:00 |
| Firebird | the N900 would be perfect with its accelerometers.. and maybe some external sensors | 22:00 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:00 |
| lcuk | camera | 22:00 |
| lcuk | would be wicked and practical | 22:00 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, is a heli guy too :) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | -, | 22:00 |
| Firebird | don't want to trash my heli testing though :/ | 22:00 |
| lcuk | get it right first time then | 22:01 |
| lcuk | gabriel, unsure | 22:01 |
| lcuk | java isnt something i have dived into | 22:01 |
| RST38h | it's hot and opaque | 22:02 |
| RST38h | AVOID | 22:02 |
| gabriel | whell, a small context... i have a cross-compile environment configured (scratchbox armv5) and i download a recent official release of sun to armv5, when i tried to exec it, this shows a error with libpthread.so.0 library | 22:03 |
| lcuk | Firebird, besides, if you do it from a controller feedback loop - you could most likely work it using handheld and simulator | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | to see how it responds | 22:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Lies, you actually, in secret, worship it like you do the Tentacled One | 22:03 |
| Firebird | well, then what good would the acceleromets be | 22:04 |
| Firebird | lcuk, like the n900 controling the transmitter? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | its one option for first generation | 22:04 |
| lcuk | rather than direct servo control | 22:04 |
| keesj | gabriel: that is already pretty good news I would say , what is the output of "ldd java" | 22:04 |
| Firebird | n900 controling an aurdino board would be neat | 22:05 |
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| keesj | gabriel: https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo Might be what you are looking for ( I don't know if it's 1.6) and I did not follow upon what sun has been up-to in the last years | 22:06 |
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| gabriel | sorry :P | 22:07 |
| keesj | gabriel: https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo Might be what you are looking for ( I don't know if it's 1.6) and I did not follow upon what sun has been up-to in the last years | 22:07 |
| lcuk | Firebird, the aurdino is useful indeed, just thinking of your concerns about failure | 22:08 |
| Firebird | fly to 50' and if it fails go to manual control would/should work for failure | 22:09 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Yes, the more Java programmers, the more food for the Tentacled One. | 22:10 |
| gabriel | this is the output of ldd | 22:11 |
| gabriel | http://pastebin.com/m111e7666 | 22:11 |
| lcuk | Firebird, but if you have replaced the control mechanism with one from arduino that would be more difficult | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: But he's already so big... :/ | 22:12 |
| lcuk | one answer | 22:12 |
| lcuk | parachute | 22:12 |
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| Firebird | parachute? into the blades? | 22:12 |
| RST38h | qwerty: He has got transcedental volume. | 22:13 |
| lcuk | good point lol | 22:13 |
| lcuk | big matress | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | i think we should stick with landborne control mechanisms | 22:13 |
| gabriel | keesj, i'm downloading the package...(crossing fingers) | 22:13 |
| lcuk | learn to drive before we fly lol | 22:13 |
| Firebird | heh | 22:14 |
| lcuk | mini version of the darpa grand challenge | 22:14 |
| lcuk | drive around nokia store without bumping into legs | 22:14 |
| lcuk | all the while capturing some cgreat shots with the camera | 22:15 |
| lcuk | do you think they will let us use laser range finders | 22:15 |
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| Firebird | sure... that would be neat, darpa grand challenge cars in full scale controlled by a phone-tablet | 22:16 |
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| * lcuk just surfed down the stairs :S | 22:19 | |
| lcuk | i slipped and thought for sure i was gonna die | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | better than getting killed in a nokia door | 22:20 |
| lcuk | but somehow i stayed on my feet and thudded down each one | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | i landed at the bottom and luke laughed | 22:20 |
| lcuk | i dont think i could do that again if i ever wanted to try | 22:21 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: hehe | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Not killed, slowly DISMEMBERED. And that Nokia door has not finished with him yet. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Firebird: See James Bond. | 22:22 |
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| Allvaro | Hello ;) | 22:22 |
| * Firebird wonders why he is seeing James Bond | 22:23 | |
| * lcuk spits out milk | 22:23 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, dont | 22:23 |
| RST38h | noo. | 22:23 |
| RST38h | moo, that is | 22:23 |
| lcuk | that door must have its own scp | 22:23 |
| Allvaro | Any1 want invitatnion to lockerz xd? i have 15 invitations | 22:24 |
| RST38h | of course there is an scp for the door | 22:24 |
| jaska | haha | 22:24 |
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| jaska | ovi = door.. coincidence? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | skynet. | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:24 |
| * lcuk shows you all the finger :P | 22:25 | |
| * Firebird shows lcuk a finger | 22:25 | |
| lcuk | Firebird, :) you dont actually know what we are talking about do you lol | 22:26 |
| Firebird | nope :P | 22:26 |
| * qwerty12_N810 does, but he shows lcuk his middle finger for the fuck of it | 22:27 | |
| lcuk | .7.. | 22:27 |
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| snuxoll | wow, when did #maemo become my high school locker room? | 22:27 |
| Myrtti | ohai snuxoll | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | snuxoll: time travel | 22:28 |
| lcuk | firebird, pick a level - 1,2,3 increasing levels of blood | 22:28 |
| snuxoll | yo Myrtti | 22:28 |
| Myrtti | snuxoll: welcome to reality | 22:28 |
| Firebird | lcuk, 3? | 22:28 |
| wazd | snuxoll: you have a "kick me" sticker on your back :D | 22:28 |
| snuxoll | Myrtti: this is reality? I want my money back | 22:28 |
| snuxoll | wazd: wouldn't be the first time | 22:28 |
| Myrtti | snuxoll: yeah, sadly it is | 22:28 |
| * snuxoll gives Myrtti a cupcake with pink frosting to compensate for a dull reality | 22:29 | |
| Myrtti | the times I've winced at the discussion... *sigh* | 22:29 |
| lcuk | bloody picture - i had the end pushed back over tho http://liqbase.net/finger1_beforestitch.jpg | 22:29 |
| Myrtti | #maemo - now with more blood and gore | 22:30 |
| lcuk | lol sorry Myrtti | 22:30 |
| lcuk | blame nokia | 22:30 |
| lcuk | they started it | 22:30 |
| Myrtti | no worries, I'm planning to dig a pit in front of the door | 22:30 |
| Myrtti | trap pit | 22:30 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:30 |
| snuxoll | Nokia doesn't start fights, that's Mann Co's job | 22:30 |
| Firebird | lcuk, doing a little too much sketching on the tablet? | 22:31 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes he'd taken a picture of his finger injury. | 22:31 | |
| * snuxoll is glad SpeedEvil didn't | 22:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | I made a large diameter router bit for my dremel. | 22:31 |
| Myrtti | nokia doesn't start fights, they give that task to subcontr^Wcommunity members | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It sliced up my finger good! | 22:31 |
| snuxoll | ahaha | 22:31 |
| lcuk | yeah firebird | 22:31 |
| lcuk | ouch SpeedEvil | 22:31 |
| snuxoll | SpeedEvil: my sister did something not too dissimilar, but with a handheld blender/mixer | 22:32 |
| snuxoll | SpeedEvil: most enjoyable trip I've ever had to the ER | 22:32 |
| Firebird | only time I've hurt my finger was when I drilled right through it after the drill bit snapped | 22:32 |
| jaska | ew | 22:32 |
| snuxoll | grr, I can't seem to get my glasses clean | 22:32 |
| lcuk | pour boiling water over em and cut through the grease :P | 22:33 |
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| * lcuk is freezing | 22:34 | |
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| lcuk | which nokia mobile computers are waterproof | 22:34 |
| * Myrtti has her furry slippers | 22:34 | |
| lcuk | btw, screen on n900 seems v durable | 22:35 |
| lcuk | its been in my pocket with my keys :O | 22:35 |
| Firebird | curious, what does the N900 stylus look like? | 22:35 |
| * snuxoll has a feeling he'll be waiting for the N900 US variant for a very long time | 22:35 | |
| Firebird | the N810 one was/looked really cheap | 22:36 |
| Myrtti | Firebird: lolololol | 22:36 |
| lcuk | Firebird, a beachball | 22:36 |
| Firebird | hurray >_> | 22:36 |
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| ShadowJK | I thought the N810 stylus was elegant simple | 22:36 |
| snuxoll | lcuk: is it a spinning beachball? | 22:36 |
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| snuxoll | lcuk: because I already have plenty of those | 22:36 |
| Myrtti | if n810 is anything like the N800 one, it's about twice the level of professional than 770's stylus | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/24/hondas-u3-x-personal-mobility-device-is-the-segway-of-unicycles/ | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun. | 22:36 |
| lbt | Firebird: my maemo controlled heli took off last night | 22:36 |
| lcuk | curiously after you said that i just whipped out both | 22:36 |
| Firebird | the N800 stylus was nice however, whth its nice metalic part on the end | 22:36 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Honestly, the N900 doesn't need a stylus | 22:37 |
| lcuk | for normal use i agree qwerty | 22:37 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | And I'm an avid stylus-freak when it comes to the N8X0 | 22:37 |
| lbt | shame it's not as advanced as you may hope :) | 22:37 |
| lcuk | but for writing its essential | 22:37 |
| Myrtti | I have my long fingernails, I don't need a stylus in any case :-D | 22:37 |
| Firebird | lbt, mmhmm | 22:37 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, how do you write | 22:37 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: thumbnails | 22:38 |
| Firebird | http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/stylus.jpg , hmm, looks like a larger version of the N810 stylus | 22:38 |
| lbt | http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2009/09/want-to-push-need-kickstart.html | 22:38 |
| lcuk | its about 5mm longer | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I don't write for shit; my handwriting is God-awful :) | 22:38 |
| snuxoll | Firebird: I could go for that | 22:38 |
| Myrtti | that looks like 770 stylus | 22:38 |
| lcuk | tho that stylus fits in n810 slot | 22:38 |
| snuxoll | Firebird: though that is a f'ewge stylus | 22:38 |
| lbt | used that control board DAC to manage the throttle pot on the R/c unit | 22:38 |
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| Firebird | ah, nice lbt | 22:39 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhsl5bOSk5Y | 22:39 |
| wazd | 10 minutes of bounce | 22:39 |
| Firebird | a full metal stylus would be nice | 22:39 |
| wazd | for loosers without device :D | 22:39 |
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| Firebird | woa, that almost blew up my sub-woofer | 22:39 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: one of the reasons I've never warmed to N810, I'm really fast with two thumbs with long nails on the vkb | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I made a nice one out of a couple of sections of an antenna, filled with lead. | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, thats not writing tho | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | thats typing and i agree | 22:40 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I don't really write anything - I might draw, or annotate knitting pattern pdf | 22:40 |
| * lcuk cavepaints | 22:41 | |
| Myrtti | but my nails are long enough to replace the stylus in any case | 22:41 |
| lcuk | my finger also now contains an implanted stylus - or it wouldv if the doctor had let me | 22:41 |
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| lcuk | jamiebennet has robosapien | 22:44 |
| lcuk | we need to make an n900 pusher robot! | 22:44 |
| lcuk | to defeat the scum | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | lbt, can you get your flying bot created in time lol | 22:46 |
| lbt | probably not | 22:46 |
| keesj | pusher bot wars FTW | 22:46 |
| lcuk | keesj, it would be great to have a reason lol | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | awww shucks lbt | 22:47 |
| RST38h | Microsoft Opening Windows Cafe In Paris (Will they pour C# instead of java there?) | 22:47 |
| * lcuk increases miliatry spending to include beer and cheese | 22:48 | |
| lbt | did you see the donuts with bacon at the kernel conference lcuk | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | o_O no | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | hey - would actually be really really cool to organise robot wars - nokia vs apple vs microsoft | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i suppose we need a real robot first | 22:52 |
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| ShadowJK | Robot wars was kinda fun until those guys invented hypnodisc and all the rules started coming | 22:52 |
| lcuk | yeah, it was kinda impressive in its destructiveness | 22:53 |
| lcuk | chaos 2 was brutal too | 22:54 |
| Myrtti | killer robots with cheesecake | 22:54 |
| Myrtti | since when has flickr logo had yahoo on it too | 22:56 |
| Myrtti | or on flickr | 22:56 |
| lcuk | bbl bath | 22:56 |
| lcuk | with rubber duck | 22:56 |
| Myrtti | oooo | 22:56 |
| Myrtti | I don't think I'm allowed baths yet :-( | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The rubber duck will be deflated by the time lcuk is done with it | 22:56 |
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| lardman|fed | mmmm bacon | 23:01 |
| * RST38h never understood why nobody used mass destruction weapons on Robot Wars | 23:01 | |
| javispedro | heh | 23:01 |
| javispedro | lardman: I was expecting to see "lcuk" at the right of that bacon reference. what a surprise when I read "lardman" instead ;) | 23:01 |
| javispedro | oh, btw, hi :) | 23:02 |
| RST38h | A smallish thermobaric explosion - and you instantly win | 23:02 |
| javispedro | why smallish? | 23:02 |
| RST38h | because largish will destroy the video evidence | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | I guess projectile weapons are forbidden too | 23:03 |
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| * javispedro remembers that BOFH story about a robot wars tournament were the winner robot was designed the search & destroy the humans instead of the robots | 23:03 | |
| RST38h | also the audience, the anchor, and yourself | 23:03 |
| lardman|fed | hey javispedro | 23:03 |
| javispedro | heya | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I looked at the UK rules, and could find nothing precluding (at the time) a rocket engine to make your robot hover. | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Hover over your opponent - melting them. | 23:04 |
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| lardman|fed | hmm, don't these things weigh at least 100kg? | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | what about flamethrowers? | 23:05 |
| lardman|fed | not sure they are allowed, would be cool though | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect the added weight limitations at some point? | 23:05 |
| lardman|fed | or rather quite toasty, for the audience too | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | (and the house robots can ignore them) | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: no - rocket engines can be whatever size you make them. | 23:05 |
| lardman|fed | ShadowJK: I meant the robot, you need quite a bit of thrust to lift that | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | right | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | depends how long you want to lift it for :) | 23:06 |
| lardman|fed | sorry wrong autocomplete | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | Carmack's early rocket engines looked tiny compared to what they were lifting | 23:06 |
| lardman|fed | yeah true | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | I liked his hydrogen peroxide stuff, although fuel availability is a problem :) | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Generally for sea-level use you want 14PSI or so at the exhaust - so 10 square inches for 140lb, ... | 23:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I found a source willing to ship me pallets of 95% | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, awesome :-) | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC ~1000e for 400l of 95% | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | What was it that carmack wanted, 95% or 99%? and what was it that he then tried to use? | 23:07 |
| lardman|fed | 95% what? | 23:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles is failing to saturate 8 cores. | 23:07 | |
| lardman|fed | H2O2? | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 23:08 |
| lardman|fed | GeneralAntilles: try harder! | 23:08 |
| lardman|fed | 8 cores, show off! | 23:08 |
| javispedro | no doubt the RDF at work | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | 16 virtual. :P | 23:08 |
| javispedro | the 8 cores will always be enough right until the 16 cores Mac Pro shows up | 23:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, 12 core. | 23:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which should be middle of next year. | 23:09 |
| javispedro | at which point suddenly 8 cores will feel like a 12-digit calculator | 23:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Apple starts disabling them remotely. | 23:09 |
| RST38h | 8 cores should feel like an 8-digit calculator shouldn't they? | 23:10 |
| javispedro | damn washing machines | 23:11 |
| javispedro | oh i hate hardware | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | rofl: http://media.armadilloaerospace.com/2009_09_07/2009_09_07_Labor_Day_wiener_cam.wmv | 23:11 |
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| ShadowJK | Now that's a creative use of a rocket ship | 23:11 |
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| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, md5sum every file on your harddrive at the same time | 23:12 |
| RST38h | javis: do you hate hardware like I hate hardware, after finding out that certain sequences of opcodes corrupt TV encoder output? =) | 23:12 |
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| javispedro | no. I hate hardware that can wet you. | 23:12 |
| javispedro | specially when it does so. | 23:12 |
| lardman|fed | hmm, will taste funky I bet, or is it an O2 H2 rocket? | 23:12 |
| RST38h | ah THAT hardware | 23:12 |
| lardman|fed | probably is from the exhaust | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | i haven't followed them for ages, and they're always changing engine tech and fuels.. | 23:13 |
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| lardman|fed | nice anyway :) | 23:14 |
| lardman|fed | right, GStreamer gurus, where are you all? | 23:14 |
| javispedro | lardman: oh, I once wrote a gstreamer demuxer, do I qualify? ;) | 23:15 |
| lardman|fed | yes, you win! | 23:15 |
| lardman|fed | so..... I have a fakesink and an xvimagesink, and a pretty tight barcode decoder loop, I'd like my xvimagesink to be less laggy | 23:15 |
| lardman|fed | barcode data comes from the handoff of the fakesink | 23:15 |
| lardman|fed | separate queues used for each sink, and the decoder runs in the handoff callback fn | 23:16 |
| javispedro | laggy as in? | 23:17 |
| javispedro | just slow | 23:17 |
| javispedro | ? | 23:17 |
| lardman|fed | variable, but perhaps 1 frame every few seconds | 23:17 |
| lardman|fed | so yes, slow | 23:17 |
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| javispedro | er... dunno. | 23:18 |
| lardman|fed | interestingly, when I start up the pipeline, I get the YUV data output in the display window | 23:18 |
| lardman|fed | this lasts a few frames, then I get full screen | 23:18 |
| javispedro | i'd say wrong timestamp in gstbuffer, but then I don't know how fakesink works | 23:19 |
| lardman|fed | when I say YUV, I mean two small images and one large one at the bottom | 23:19 |
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| lardman|fed | I've just disabled datamatrix decoding, now runs ok with sync turned off | 23:19 |
| lardman|fed | will have to try running the datamatrix decoding in a separate thread and see if that helps at all | 23:19 |
| javispedro | ah, so you're sure its a output thing? | 23:20 |
| lardman|fed | the strange display? | 23:20 |
| lardman|fed | yeah, just happens for a couple of frames though | 23:20 |
| lcuk | 2 small then one large | 23:20 |
| lcuk | mmm inverted? | 23:20 |
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| lardman|fed | all in one image | 23:20 |
| lardman|fed | yeah inverted, but this is an N800 so that's normal | 23:20 |
| lcuk | screenshot | 23:20 |
| lcuk | photo | 23:20 |
| lardman|fed | though not for the output of course | 23:20 |
| lardman|fed | hmm, let me try | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | lardman|fed, I think it's an alcohol engine | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | since they say nasa wanted them to make one that runs on methane, and they tried feeding methane to their alcohol engine with a few "tweaks", and that didn't work out | 23:22 |
| javispedro | i do not understand what you're doing, do you have two pipelines? | 23:22 |
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| javispedro | (v4l ! fakesink) - - - - - > bar code decoding - - - - - > (src ! xvimagesink) ? | 23:22 |
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| lardman|fed | javispedro: one pipeline with a tee | 23:23 |
| lardman|fed | splits to the xvimagesink and the fakesink | 23:23 |
| javispedro | ah, I see. | 23:23 |
| lardman|fed | right I have a photo, but have to go chuck the bins out, give me 5 | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have no split - is it nice and fast? | 23:23 |
| coldboot | In our build system, for arm builds, we need to force scratchbox to use Python 2.5.1. But the stupid scratchbox /scratchbox/tools/bin/python overrides anything you do, unless you move it out of the way. What's the best way to force SCons to use /usr/bin/python? | 23:24 |
| javispedro | two things. first one is that /scratchbox/tools/bin/python is in path. second is export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE="/usr/bin/python" | 23:25 |
| coldboot | javispedro: So I have to do both, remove it from the path and set a redirect ignore? | 23:25 |
| javispedro | yes, both | 23:25 |
| coldboot | Okay thanks. | 23:25 |
| coldboot | Is there an absolute way to find where scratchbox has been installed? | 23:26 |
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| konttori__ | new version of theme maker in https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=36 | 23:30 |
| * Stskeeps instantly downloads | 23:30 | |
| Stskeeps | big improvements? | 23:30 |
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| lardman|fed | re | 23:37 |
| lardman|fed | ShadowJK: nothing wrong with food cooked in alcohol of course ;) | 23:38 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | can anyone confiirm that the n900 supports Activesync? | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | I can see on the official page that it mentions Exchange, but it's not clear if it supports push email and calendar updates over the air | 23:39 |
| lardman|fed | image here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/20090924_003.jpg | 23:40 |
| lardman|fed | just looks plain broken now I look harder at it | 23:41 |
| lardman|fed | perhaps something to do with the GStreamer caps negotiation | 23:41 |
| mfinkle | in an effort to maximize screen space, we are trying to turn off the autocompletion widget used on n810 | 23:41 |
| mfinkle | looks like I can pass something to GConf | 23:41 |
| mfinkle | /apps/osso/inputmethod/hildon-im-languages/en_GB/word-completion | 23:41 |
| lardman|fed | there's a control panel setting iirc | 23:42 |
| javispedro | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200909/graphic_design_resume.gif | 23:42 |
| mfinkle | but I want to do it for all languages | 23:42 |
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| lardman|fed | have been summoned, back later | 23:42 |
| mfinkle | lardman|fed: we only want to disable it for our app, not the entire device | 23:42 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Now it's lardman's turn to make the bacon ;) | 23:42 |
| lardman|afk | mfinkle: ah, no idea then, good luck | 23:42 |
| lardman|afk | qwerty12_N810: that has a double entendre you know ;) | 23:43 |
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| javispedro | mfinkle: ctrl+space hides/shows it | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: how do you make things start with lowercase in fields? wasnt there a option? | 23:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: yeah, bringing up the API reference | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:44 |
| javispedro | mfinkle: shift+space actually :P | 23:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | mfinkle: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/gtk/GtkEntry.html#hildon-gtk-entry-set-input-mode | 23:44 |
| mfinkle | javispedro: that's a good fallback for the end user | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, scary, they bolted one of carmack's engine to an airplane and they found people who'd fly it | 23:45 |
| javispedro | Stability Level: Unstable | 23:45 |
| javispedro | uh? | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJT8639Weo (rocket racer) | 23:47 |
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| mfinkle | qwerty12_N810: hmm, I was looking at that to disable the autocap feature too | 23:47 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I haven't used it, personally, to disable anything other than auto-caps but using it to unset HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_DICTIONARY may work... | 23:49 |
| mau_mex | Hi there , This is Mauricio from Mexico | 23:49 |
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| mau_mex | I am Newbie on linux and i`m having a problem installing scratchbox, | 23:51 |
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| mau_mex | can some one confirm this: | 23:52 |
| mau_mex | mau@mau:~> /home/mau//Documents/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh -u mau | 23:52 |
| mau_mex | is correct? | 23:52 |
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| wazd | javispedro: aw the shot from n900 with DrNokSnes icon in it :D | 23:54 |
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| javispedro | wazd: :D | 23:54 |
| wazd | s /aw/saw/ | 23:54 |
| javispedro | wazd: seen http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/fremantle.png ? | 23:54 |
| wazd | javispedro: nope, looks awesome :) | 23:54 |
| tuukkah | mau_mex, you may need to add bash to the front of that line | 23:55 |
| javispedro | :) | 23:55 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: Mer can't have it's own section in TMO until #mer gets karma | 23:59 |
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