IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-09-23

javispedrofixed in fremantle? bah, outdated00:00
javispedrofixed in harmattan is the new cool00:00
penguinbaitI thought it was shipped with pandora?00:00
lcukdelivered by flying car no less00:00
javispedro"shipped wth the pandora" :D00:00
lcukwith duke nukem forever preinstalled00:00
javispedrothat's a good answer for bug 700000:01
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lcukok im goin recording a short video00:01
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lcukmy we are maemo text :)00:02
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penguinbaitporn, election, comedy00:02
lcukpeople have requested a recital00:02
lcukgod knows how its gonna sound00:02
javispedropenguinbait: a mix of all that00:02
lcukbut it had rolled round my head for long enough00:03
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GeneralAntillesPeople worried about the N900's resistive screen being more prone to earlobe-hangups than the iPhone00:06
coldbootIs there a way to add WLAN certificates at the command-line?00:06
GeneralAntillesTalk, what new low will you stoop to today?00:06
lcukthe phone on the device is amazing00:06
lcukthere used to be a black hole where i couldnt talk near the office00:07
lcuk(the only place i could huddle out of the wind..)00:07
lcukit works nicely with n900!00:07
lcukalso means higher phone bills tho00:07
lcukcos i cant get out of a call by complaining its cold00:07
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Firebirdwonder if vBulletin has a plugin to filter topics with multiple question marks00:13
ArSayes, it's called greasemonkey :P00:15
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GeneralAntillesChrist, they're PMing me about OTG now.00:20
javispedroGeneralAntilles: aha, someone has discovered your important role in the n900 pcb design00:21
GeneralAntillesThis guy can go fuck himself.00:21
lardmanevening chaps00:21
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lcukhi lardman00:21
* lardman wonders if he can escape unnoticed...00:22
javispedrowb lardman00:22
lcuktoo late00:22
* RST38h notices lardman and nails him to the door00:22
lardmanthink Worms00:23
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RST38hShit, I am tired :(00:24
lardmanargh, really annoying, need to reply to someone but can't remember where I stashed the email00:24
RST38hVDVsx: Could you do something small for me?00:24
lardmanRST38h: all that playing with nail guns I bet!00:24
GeneralAntillesIt's interesting that Ford is advertising turbo on performance sedans as a "green" feature.00:25
VDVsxRST38h, sure00:25
lardmanturbocharging is more economical00:25
lardmanthan a larger displacement non-turbo engine00:26
GeneralAntilleslardman, sure, larger engine-like performance with small engine economy most of the time.00:26
GeneralAntillesBut these are 6-cylinder performance sedans.00:26
lardmandoes the small print say "more economical than the V12 we would otherwise have had to fit"? ;)00:26
RST38hyou want green, buy Civic VX00:27
* ShadowJK just upgraded to a newer car00:27
RST38hthe one they killed because it "lacked the dynamics"00:27
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GeneralAntillesAh, yes, now we're onto the personal attacks.00:30
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Stskeeps"OTG or i kill your cat!"00:32
* GeneralAntilles is really goddamn tired of Talk.00:33
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* lardman recommends Action00:37
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javispedroso, where is the blood on tmo?00:45
GeneralAntillesIn my PM box at the moment.00:46
javispedroah, well.00:46
javispedroa public sacrifice will be fine too. maemo gods are hungry.00:47
lcukwell they are sacrificing themselves at his alter00:47
lcukhis just not happy at so many PMs00:47
RST38hBlood? Where? Where's blood?00:48
* lcuk really should give up spelling and get back to code00:48
javispedrolcuk: was dis spelink u sai?00:48
javispedroi not qnow any spelink00:49
lcukeye wantid tu just maek it wurk00:49
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lcukand shockingly, it looks just the same as normal irc00:49
RST38hany geniuses able to analyze strace output?00:49
javispedroto extract what?00:50
RST38hto extract the difference00:50
sp3000meh, don't spell yourself, just do what pro haxors do, copy-paste something similar to what you want to say and randomly remove half of the things you don't understand00:50
lardmanlol @ pandora site00:50
* javispedro smells hardwork and flees ;)00:50
* sp3000 has code-review-itis00:50
* lardman fires up his N80000:52
javispedroso, how are your poetry skills lcuk? the populace will soon require you to sing a soon or else die at the god's altar00:52
RST38hjavis: You are witholding facts00:52
RST38hjavis: The facts are that not dying is not really an option =)00:53
javispedrohah, poor lcuk :)00:53
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javispedro#define SIZEOF_NULLCHAR sizeof('\0')00:54
RST38hOk, BeyondCompare analyzed strace output for me00:55
RST38hGood proggy, won't get uninstalled today00:55
javispedroactually, not a bad idea00:55
javispedrousually you'll disable heap randomization before getting the traces00:55
javispedroand just do manual diff00:55
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infobotjavispedro meant: and just do  diff00:56
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* lcuk looks at python curiously00:57
javispedrolcuk: no, you have to sing a song. singing python doesn't count.00:58
* lcuk gulps00:59
lcukat what he might start here00:59
lcukpython is so slow tho00:59
* lcuk wants the future now!00:59
javispedrothat's what you get. the question is the usual programmer time vs cpu time cost.01:00
lcukjavispedro, i deffo need a new backend01:00
lardmananyone know what the gstreamer trick is to flip the N800 video?01:00
javispedroa backend is not something I'd write in python :P01:00
lcuki will have to use (spit) some kind of 1:1 surface that may not be yuv eventually01:00
lardmanI wonder if the weather is changing, my shoulders hurt01:01
Vulcanisis there any easy way to make new osk layouts for the n8x0? I'd kinda like to make it so that - is there without having to shift.01:01
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javispedroheh. Windows CE 6 R3 gets both Flash and Silverlight.01:01
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javispedrofrom the company that didn't like shipping every pack of 6 cans of coca cola with one pepsi cola01:02
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lcuk# /home/svn/libliqbase-0.3/include/liqcell.h: 11901:02
lcukif hasattr(_libs['liqbase'], 'liqcell_quickcreatevis'):01:02
lcuk    liqcell_quickcreatevis = _libs['liqbase'].liqcell_quickcreatevis01:02
lcuk    liqcell_quickcreatevis.restype = POINTER(liqcell)01:02
lcuk    liqcell_quickcreatevis.argtypes = [String, String, c_int, c_int, c_int, c_int]01:02
lcuki wonder if it will work..01:03
lcukits dragged in all the defines for x11 and stuff tho01:04
javispedrolooks good01:04
lcukits 186kb01:04
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javispedroso you're wrapping the liqbase api in a python mod?01:04
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lcukjust looking at feasibility01:04
lardmanfor reference, to filp the video on the N800, use the gconfv4l2src source01:04
lcuki really want to make a liqbase widget in .py01:05
lcukthats gonna be harder tho01:05
lcukcos they are .so binaries01:05
lardmanoh dear01:05
javispedroit's feasible for sure01:05
lcuksame thing that hildon does01:05
javispedroand a good idea I think01:05
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* lcuk nods01:06
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fralsincase you havent seen this one before, i found it pretty funny:
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lardman~lart bloody Nautilus for crashing all the time when using sftp01:16
* infobot gives bloody Nautilus a good seeing to for crashing all the time when using sftp01:16
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RST38hlardman: Real geeks scp from command line! =)01:25
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* RST38h will sit this bug out01:26
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lardmanyeah I know01:26
johnsqlardman: rsync -e ssh01:27
RST38hit has got its weirdness, but I have got patience, flasher, and strace01:28
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lardmancan anyone remember if the N800 camera data starts with the Y or the U/V?01:28
lcukunsigned long p= *UYVY++;01:29
lcuklardman, its that weird format01:29
lcuk/ ok a 32bit long contains  UYVY01:30
lcukunsigned long * UYVY = (unsigned long *)data;01:30
lardmanthe data is in bytes though01:30
lardmanis the first byte a Y or a U/V?01:31
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lardmanin a slice I can do this: var(::2) to get every other value, but I don't think I can do this can I? var(1::2)01:35
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lardmanI'm getting this error: TypeError: sequence index must be integer, not 'slice'01:38
lardmanon this line of code: gbuffer = buffer[1:len(buffer):2]01:38
lardmanany ideas?01:38
lardmanbuffer is a string01:39
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lcuklardman, im stressin over python too nwo!01:39
lcukfor different reason lol01:39
javispedrolardman: i think python does not support that operation on strings01:40
lardmanhmm, ok01:40
javispedroat least on older versions iirc01:40
lardmanwhat could I turn it into then?01:40
javispedropython2.5 on my pc supports it01:40
lardmanapparently they should support it01:41
lardmanas I'm using 2.5.x01:41
javispedronote "However, Python's built-in list, tuple, and string sequence types have never supported this feature, raising a TypeError if you tried it. Michael Hudson contributed a patch to fix this shortcoming. "01:41
javispedrobut yes, they work here in 2.501:41
javispedro "abcdefghijk"[2:8:2] 'ceg'01:41
zerojayGeneralAntilles: I knew OTG was just going to end up a hornet's nest even though most people would never end up using it anyways.01:41
lardmanalso works for me01:42
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javispedrothat's weird. maybe buffer is not a string?01:42
lardmanyeah, just checking that one01:42
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lardmanis returned from gstreamer01:43
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javispedrowell, going to bed. see you01:43
lardmanthought I'd converted it though01:43
lardmannight javispedro01:43
javispedrogst has gstbuffer01:43
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felipecyay! I just got vorbis decoder using less than 10% of the CPU on the N90002:10
felipecthat's as good as the mp3 one... maybe a bit better02:10
lardmangood stuff02:11
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lardmanusing neon?02:11
felipeclardman: yeap... FFmpeg:
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felipecthey just added a few NEON optimizations that help vorbis02:12
lardmanshould make people happy anyway :)02:13
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felipeclardman: well, I am :)02:14
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lardmanthat's the most important of course :)02:15
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pupnik_wow woglinde's qtnx feels 20 times faster thzan vnc02:20
pupnik_but all my bitmaps nare busted, with nthese diagonol lines of "data" across them.02:21
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lardmananyone know what happens to printfs in C code that makes up a Python extension?02:25
lardmando they get eaten, or should they be displayed?02:25
lcukliqbase just showed a load of console as normal02:26
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lardmanhmm, I don't see anything at all02:27
lcuklardman, if you are running your .py from console it should just show i think02:27
lcuk<lcuk> # ./liqbase_test.py02:27
lcuk<lcuk> 23:48:0102:27
lcuk<lcuk> 23:48:01 ########################################################02:27
lcuk<lcuk> 23:48:0102:27
lcuk<lcuk> 23:48:01 Welcome to pyliqbase ver 0.102:27
lardmanthat's from the C code then?02:27
lcukall that is within the liqapp_init() func02:27
lcukthe py just calls it02:28
lardmanusing plain printf, or fprintf(stdout), etc?02:28
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lcukprintf("%s ",buf);02:29
lcukvprintf(logentry, arg);02:29
lcuktime part is the printf02:29
lcukvprintf is the main debug line02:29
lcukit does a fflush(stdout);02:29
lardmanoh I'm a muppet02:31
lardmanit was outputting, just thought the message was created by the python code02:32
lardmaneven worse to come02:34
lardmanjust realised that I'd left in a debugging return statement02:35
lardmanwas wondering why the bloody thing wasn't working!02:35
lardmannever got run!02:35
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felipecanybody knows a place where I can download a bunch free vorbis clips?02:41
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lardmannah, I had real troubles finding anything very much02:43
lardmanwikipedia perhaps?02:43
dropcodecan anybody here help me install python purple in redhat?02:44
lardman~lart libdmtx02:44
* infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, libdmtx, this won't hurt a bit...."02:44
felipechmm, there was this sxsw 2009 that was free, but they're MP3s :(02:45
GeneralAntillesIt's all a sham!02:49
GeneralAntillesHow do you get that paranoid?02:50
lardmanhmm, stuck in dmtxDecodeCreate()02:51
lardmanbed time for me, cu all tomorrow02:51
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felipecbbigras: not bad :)02:51
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bbigrasyes, I think I saw that link today in an article on lifehacker about productivity at work with music02:53
pupnik_Corrupt /garbled bitmaps in qtnx fixed by switching from png to jpg compression02:54
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pupnik_freenx is so much faster than vnc over wlan it isnt even funny02:57
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zerojayGeneralAntilles: Puppet! lol02:58
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pupnik_woglinde - also german umlauts working here, but i cannot get any fn+ keys to work, so shell is not usable atm02:59
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* GeneralAntilles sighs.03:02
GeneralAntillesAll of the outlets in this apartment are shot.03:03
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pupnik_call an electrician and bill the landlord03:04
pupnik_after first notifying landlord03:04
pupnik_and giving xx hours to fox03:04
GeneralAntillesI'll probably just get the landlord to give me some receptacles and do it myself.03:07
Mouseyso whats up, nokia gonna buy palm or what?03:10
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ljpmaybe apple03:10
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: why?03:13
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GeneralAntillesluke-jr, saves me having to schedule maintenance or an electrician.03:14
luke-jrsafer and cheaper to have the landlord pay for a pro to do it03:14
bobbydhas anyone got OpenGL ES examples working under the sdk?03:14
bobbydI'm following this:
bobbydbut it seems that libgles2-dev doesn't exist though03:15
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, I'm not retarded.03:16
GeneralAntillesI'm perfectly capable of installing a 15-amp receptacle.03:16
GeneralAntillesIt's something I've done dozens of times before.03:16
zerojayI, however, am not.03:16
zerojayOr more like... I just have the worst luck with anything electrical.03:16
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: are you implying that anyone who has never installed a power outlet is retarded?03:17
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, like you're implying that I'm incompetent? :)03:17
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luke-jrGeneralAntilles: personally, even if I was a pro at it myself, I'd still hire a friend to do it so the landlord pays for the repairs03:18
bobbydis this a maemo development channel? or is there another channel for developers?03:18
lcukwe are maemo03:18
luke-jrbobbyd: you mean Maemo developers, or developers who want their application to run on Maemo?03:18
zerojaybobbyd: This is the main one.03:18
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, good for you, I prefer doing things myself.03:19
bobbydluke-jr: I mean a channel for people developing applications that run on Maemo03:19
lcukhey zerojay03:19
zerojaylcuk: Yo.03:19
lcukbobbyd, just ask03:19
zerojaybobbyd: I don't think there are too many people here that are in a better position than you are though.... at least as far as I know.03:19
bobbydlcuk: well I did, but people are talking about electrical sockets :)03:20
bobbydI'll keep at it03:20
lcukahhh right bobbyd03:20
zerojayOpenGL-ES is one of those things that I don't think many people here have attempted to play with yet.03:20
FirebirdI have, but EGL fails to open in the SDK :/03:21
zerojayYeah, that's the big stumbling block.03:21
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lcukread that thread03:21
bobbydwell that's not much good then :)03:21
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dropcodeis it possible to get python purple running in redhat? or am I just chasing my tail03:23
luke-jrdropcode: you're certainly in the wrong channel for that03:28
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pupnik_another idea:  nack for mer to allow using 810 kbd to enter functopn keas - F1-F10 at least, with some combo-toggle, e.g. ctrl+fn, then press number for function key03:35
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bobbydlcuk: do you know which packages the files that are mentioned in that thread are in?03:53
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bobbyd /usr/lib/ etc03:53
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bobbydok, the egl stuff seems to be there already03:55
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bobbydumm, how do I transfer things into the scratchbox environment? :)03:57
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bobbydok, got it :)03:57
dropcodeluke-jr: isn't python purple a maemo project?03:59
zerojayNever heard of it.04:01
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zerojayI'd click on it if I could.04:05
zerojayBut my mouse is acting like a retard right now.04:05
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luke-jrzerojay: no loss, the link is bad04:16
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xnt14hello world04:31
xnt14~seen b-man1604:31
xnt14oh :P04:32
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 50m 20s ago, saying: '  <<this is scary 0.o'.04:32
xnt14well, im on my server right now, ill switch to my xps04:32
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pupnik_let us consider whether to implement a sandbox environment for 3rd party maemo5 apps05:02
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SpeedEvilhow is user/root seperated in maemo5?05:04
pupnik_particularly network-enabled apps that will be vulnerable to exploits05:04
pupnik_the only thing that comes to mind offhand is some form of selinux05:04
pupnik_afaok like normal linux05:04
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pupnik_there are different classes of protection, too involved for irc prhaps05:05
pupnik_but the fact that the device integrates camers, gps, microphonne, phone...05:05
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pupnik_i am probably just advertising my ignorance of prior discussions on the subject05:08
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GAN800Cheap Chinese power supplies.05:17
GAN8008v != 12v05:17
toggles_wlol, you sure? from a chinese powerplant it may be..05:19
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Texratanyone on?06:02
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Texratalways so quiet lately...06:03
luke-jrTexrat: we play games in #anime06:03
Texratyoung whippersnappers06:03
luke-jryoung whippersnappers play 3D games not on IRC06:03
Texratheck I'm old and I play 3d FPS06:04
Texratlove to blow stuff up06:04
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zerojayTexrat: Sorry, I'm here.06:04
Texrathey jay yet another job showed up at Nokia06:04
TexratI've applied for 3 lately06:04
Texratman I wanna get back06:05
zerojayWhat are they?06:05
Texratcurrent job cannot suck more... but it beats unemployment06:05
Texrat2 are logistics coordinator/analyst, one is PDM specialist06:05
Texratthe latter is global like my old job06:05
Texratwhich would mean travel again! :)06:06
Texratproduct data management... what i sued to do for Stanley tools06:06
Texrattrying not to get my hopes up06:06
zerojayGood shit, man.06:07
Texratman I hope06:07
Texratthey've been hiring a lot lately06:07
Texratmostly software06:07
Texratbut posted a listing for mergers/acquisitions analyst today ;)06:08
Texrattime to buy more startups i guess06:08
Texratyou ready for the trip, roomie?06:08
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zerojayNo... I'm not going to be able to go.06:09
zerojayCombination passport office fuckup + work assignments being pushed up... I'm screwed both ways. :/06:10
Texratwhat happened????06:10
Texrataw geez... wahh06:10
Jason404I've just been looking at the apps on  While there are not that many of them, they look generally high quality and useful.  Once the N900 comes out, is the app store going to be on Ovi?  As the Symbian apps on Ovi look like crapware in comparison06:10
zerojayI'm mega pissed.06:10
Texratdude, i am pissed for you06:10
TexratI was lookign forward to us hanging out06:10
zerojayJason404: There's a built-in app manager that will allow you to install free software and other things from external partners. That will be there from the start. An Ovi store will be coming in the future.06:11
Texratyou were the only one willing to put up with me...sigh06:11
Jason404zerojay: ic06:11
zerojayTexrat: So was I. I've never been to Europe before... and ugh.06:11
Texratoh dude06:11
Texratbeen to Paris and Helsinki-- you would LOVE helsinki06:12
zerojayI already know I would.06:12
Texratgreat town06:12
zerojayAll my favorite music comes from the area it seems. lol06:12
Texrathell I even loved going in winter06:12
Texratah, metal man06:12
Texratshit... now I'm bummed about you not going06:13
zerojayWell... not so much straight metal as much as some of the rock but close enough.06:13
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TexratI gotta sublet my room now06:13
zerojayBelieve me, it's *killing* me that I can't be there. My boss was borderline scared to ask me to stay.06:14
Texratcrap, I could get stuck with one of those guys who voted "shut up and stay home"06:14
Texratman, I'm gonna pray hard soemthing breaks loose06:14
zerojayYou'll find someone decent... sorry I didn't let you know sooner.06:14
Texratit's cool06:14
TexratI'm gonna cry when I delete your name from the room06:14
Texratdude, I'm so sorry06:15
Texrathey-- I'll bow out of the council race, tell them to give you my 7 votes, and then you'll get travel options for that06:16
zerojayGive Jussi a big sloppy kiss for me. lol06:16
zerojaySummit just was coming up at a bad time for me anyways.06:16
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zerojayNot only am I trying to make this major milestone for a two year project, I'm supposed to be moving from Quebec City to Halifax between now and November to open a new office.06:17
Jason404anybody used Maemopad+ here?06:17
zerojayJason404: A few times, sure.06:17
Jason404zerojay: can it convert handwriting to text?06:18
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Jason404zerojay: and can you export?  Is there anyway I could export to MS OneNote?06:18
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Jason404I hope some of these apps are updated to run in portrait mode as an option06:19
zerojaySorry, I'm not really qualified to say about those things.06:19
Texratok you're deleted06:20
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zerojayJason404: I'm sure a lot will be. Just be sure to tell the people working on programs that you want it.06:21
Texratwell crap06:22
Jason404most of these apps have not been updated in months06:22
TexratI gotta bail jason06:22
TexratI'm really, really sorry...06:22
zerojayLater, dude.06:23
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Jason404I guess the Maemo userbase will be much larger soon though06:24
Jason404what is Fremantle?06:25
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luke-jrJason404: the current version of Maemo06:47
Jason404ah thanks06:53
zerojayJason404: Each major revision of Maemo has had a name.06:55
zerojayMaemo 5 = Fremantle06:55
zerojayMaemo 4.0 = Chinook, Maemo 4.1 = Diablo06:55
zerojayElephantia was cancelled for Maemo 5.06:55
zerojayHarmattan = Maemo 6.06:55
Jason404Elephantia was a cancelled version?06:56
Jason404weird name06:57
zerojayIt was meant to be a version of the OS to come between the two, but Nokia decided it would be better to just put their resources directly into Maemo 5 instead.06:57
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Jason404do you know if the N900 has a glass screen?  Has the N800/810?06:59
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Jason404or N9706:59
zerojayIf they were, I know I would have broken all of mine first day. lol07:00
zerojayI don't know about N97.07:00
Jason404plastic then?  don't they scratch easily?07:00
Jason404about half the people I know that have iPhones have smashed screens07:00
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johnxmy whole office has them and I haven't heard of any phone fatalities yet07:01
Jason404my sisters has smashed07:01
Jason404I was at a CAD conference the other week, lots smashed there too07:01
zerojayEach of mine have gone through extreme use without screen protectors and the worst I have are small scratches that are mostly unnoticable in the most used parts of the screen.07:02
Jason404one of my friends too07:02
zerojay(Not talking about iPhone)07:02
SpeedEvilAll phones have glass screens.07:02
SpeedEvilSome may have plastic covers on the screens or touchscreens07:02
SpeedEvilbut the actual display is glass07:02
Jason404really?  on the iPhone you can feel that it is glass07:03
Jason404and see that it is glass once it gets smashed :)07:03
SpeedEvilPhones with plastic touchscreens have a glass display behind them07:04
Jason404ic.  so the worst of both on the Nokia.07:05
Jason404they can still get smashed, and scratched too, and they do not feel as slick as an iPhone,07:05
microlithtreat your phone with care and nothing will happen to it07:06
johnxSpeedEvil, have to admit I didn't believe you until I looked at wikipedia07:06
Jason404I'll have to do stuff like make sure I never put it in the same pocket as my keys, and stuff like that07:06
johnxJason404, do people really put their iphone in with their keys?07:07
johnxkinda figured that was common sense along with "don't get sand in it" and "don't dunk it in salt water"07:07
microlithjohnx: and "beware of children"07:08
Jason404I've never bothered to take that care with any phones in the past, but I have never had a touchscreen phone before07:08
microlithJason404: ever had a pda?07:08
Jason404I had an Apple Newton for a bit, about 15 years ago07:08
microlithah, not a useful comparison then I suppose :>07:08
microlithfar larger than any winmo pda07:09
* johnx would rather have a newton than a winmo device07:10
microlithI don't doubt it07:10
johnxI want to steal UI bits out of the Newton OS wholesale07:10
Jason404i was temoted to get one, as I use Outlook and OneNote all the time.07:10
microlithmy axim x3 is sitting still disassembled07:10
microlithhaven't had the urge to put it back together07:10
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* RST38h moos07:52
RST38hjohnx: Would you like the poo-green display with that? =)07:52
johnxif it got me working PIM?07:53
* RST38h still uses an ascii file for his "pim"07:54
pupnik_what applications works like *xmms*,  but does now slow down on large playlists07:54
pupnik_something that doesn't try to touch each goddam file for playlist info upon playlist load!07:54
johnxpupnik_, change the setting in xmms07:55
RST38hpupnik: This excludes Nokia player(s) automatically07:55
johnxor get bmp and also change the setting07:55
pupnik_ah soo... a setting...07:55
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johnxRST38h, I do enjoy having a decent calendar and contacts app07:57
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RST38hjohnx: My guess is that Maemo5 will make you satisfied then08:03
johnxRST38h, as long as I don't stray from the n90008:03
RST38hmmm...dunno. Should sync to another phone just fine, but you wouldn't need that08:04
RST38hAs to Google sync, surely, you can write a script to sync08:04
RST38hOr do you need to sync with the dreaded Exchange?08:05
johnxRST38h, I am in the unique situation of defining both sides of the equation :)08:05
johnxtransitioning from our terrifyingly ancient, non-standard LDAP/Mail server to something more modern08:06
RST38hThen you should be able to figure something out =)08:06
johnxso I'd really like to pull contacts from LDAP, and calendar events from caldav08:06
ShadowJKHeh, and I thought xmms was the lightest alternative if you exclude mpg321 etc :)08:06
johnxbut if I have to put in some kind of exchange-emulation layer, so be it.08:06
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pupnik_in my case it was PBCAK or whatever - invoked xmms -e mylist.pls which triggered the scan-each-file08:07
pupnik_starting it and loading the list did not scan files08:07
ShadowJKI tried amarok on desktop once. It consumed about 10 seconds worth of CPU time on every track switch, groping some monstrous databases..08:08
pupnik_i know, unbelievable08:08
RST38hWhy don't these guy just let me select files?08:08
johnxoverall rhythmbox hasn't hurt me much, except when triggering bugs in my crappy sound card drivers :/08:08
ShadowJKdo you use pulseaudio?08:09
ShadowJKdoes audio just hang?08:09
johnxdoesn't hang. after my system has been up for a while, every so often all I can get are clicks and pops out of my sound card08:09
johnxthen sometimes when playing music the whole thing hangs08:10
johnxI'm willing to chalk it up to crappy or crappily supported hardware08:10
ShadowJKwhole thing as in whole computer?08:10
johnxpossibly could be a bad interaction between wifi card and sound chipset08:11
johnxI dunno, and I don't feel like troubleshooting it anymroe08:11
* ShadowJK remembers the time when having more than one card made by Creative was certain recipie for hangs08:12
johnxyeah: ISA PNP still gives me nightmares08:13
johnxthat's what hell will be like08:14
ShadowJKtwo PCI cards did it too08:14
pupnik_wonder if i could hack xmms into iconbar, display double-sized within a legit hildon pop08:16
johnxI think it'd be cooler to have a proper mpd that used up no CPU time08:17
johnxs/no/almost no/08:18
infobotjohnx meant: I think it'd be cooler to have a proper mpd that used up almost no CPU time08:18
ShadowJKthis tmo place is kinda evil08:32
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ShadowJKor depressing08:32
johnxin what way? the rush of 'blessed new users'?08:35
RST38hShadowJK: The wise treat it as their hunting ground.08:35
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ShadowJKone day I will find a media player that doesn't consume more CPU than mp3 playback on a P133, AND handles unicode tags08:42
ShadowJK(and filenames)08:42
johnxdoes mpd?08:42
johnx...handle unicode tags...?08:42
ShadowJKthe media player doesn't08:43
johnxcause it certainly meets the CPU requirements08:43
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ShadowJKhm.. mpd isnt what i thought it was08:45
ShadowJKwhat is it?08:45
johnxit's the "music player daemon"08:45
johnxmpd: reads files, plays files and listens for commands on a well known port08:46
johnxthen a front end process lets you choose files to play, make playlists, play/pause/stop/ff08:46
RST38his also a daemon though08:46
* RST38h would like his mp3 player to quit when he says quit08:46
ShadowJKis that the included stuff?08:46
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johnxon the tablet? nope08:47
johnxRST38h, you can set that I think, but when it's not in use it'll just get swapped out08:47
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ShadowJKapt-cache search found a bunch of packages that have Suggests: mpd, but no mpd itself?:)08:48
johnxShadowJK, on th tablet? yeah. I wish there was a 'ti-dsp' output for mpd08:49
ShadowJKit's kinda amusing when a 19 megabyte mplayer binary starts and responds snappier than the default player08:49
johnxbut I don't think anyone really got mpd working well with the n8x0's "unique" sound situation08:50
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RST38hSomebody needs to code a real music player for Maemo09:02
RST38hThe one not written in Python and reusing mplayer, and letting you add files to the playlist09:02
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ShadowJKI'd be happy with one in python reusing mplayer09:05
RST38hUse Canola then09:05
RST38hOr any other of many players available from Extras09:05
johnxor youamp09:05
ShadowJKOh, something not the weight of an elephant09:05
RST38hIt does not matter.09:06
ShadowJKmy current setup on desktop consists of:09:06
RST38hAll of them tend to screw up, with mplayer getting out of control09:06
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ShadowJKmplayer $(find . -iname \*.mp3)09:06
ShadowJKbut more extensions than just mp309:07
RST38hmoo wazd09:07
ShadowJKand then the multimedia keys on ghe keyboard for skipping to next track09:07
RST38hyes but you may not want all of those files09:07
ShadowJKprobably, but i dont know myself what I want09:08
* ShadowJK forgot -shuffle09:08
wazdI live in a greatest country in the world09:08
johnxwazd, good news?09:09
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RST38hwazd: something blew up again? =)09:09
wazdThey sent me a request t come to the army dep today, I came and there was noone09:09
johnxdid you leave a postcard?09:09
RST38hthey did not expect you to come, not really =)09:10
pupnik_mplayer has -shuffle?  since when?09:10
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slonopotamus_i'm here?09:10
ShadowJKpupnik: since playlist09:10
johnxwazd, actually, a polaroid picture of you standing in front of the door would be exactly the right thing :)09:10
johnxtoo bad polaroid went away ...09:10
wazdjohnx: RST38h: all: heya btw)09:11
wazdPolaroid picture of me, crapping in the center of the hall09:12
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wazdNow I have to come on 2509:13
RST38hcome for what?09:13
RST38hthey still want to draft you?09:13
wazdRST38h: to get my release09:13
johnxthat means you win, right?09:14
qwerty12This the fight against your country's conscription?09:14
wazdRST38h: they still want me but unfortunately I have 100% release issue)09:15
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* RST38h off to work09:19
johnxhave fun RST38h :)09:19
RST38hif you can call it that...09:19
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johnxRST38h, there are worse jobs09:20
johnxI somewhat recently had to call an MS call center to get a ~50 digit Windows reactivation code09:20
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adeusa machine voice didn't give you the code?09:21
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johnxthe machine voice didn't work for some reason or another09:21
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johnxI might have mistyped the massively long code too many times or something09:22
qwerty12There are, umm shall we say, faster alternatives09:22
adeusI have to call that thing quite often09:22
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adeuslast time when I plugged an bt dongle09:22
adeus"your hardware has changed too much"09:22
johnxqwerty12, it was for work. kinda nice to have it legit ;)09:22
qwerty12Doesn't your workplace use VLKs then?09:23
johnxwe're a mac shop except for a couple lone PCs09:23
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wazd_n801"I won't buy n900 cause it's not made of jelly!"09:33
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johnxnot made of jelly! damn!09:33
johnxI guess I'll just have to buy $650 worth of rasberry jam :/09:34
wazd_n801Nokia looks retarded making it not jelly09:34
johnxthe iphone is made of jelly09:34
johnxand if it isn't there's an app to make it jelly09:35
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johnxso you commute by car?10:51
RST38hNo, I walk, take subway, take jitney bus (shit, had to look this word up), and corporate bus10:57
johnxwhat the heck is a "jitney bus"?10:57
johnxI'd have to look that up too...10:57
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RST38hit is a small van (Ford Transit qualifies) that follows a bus routes but stops at request, like a taxi11:00
RST38hThe local name for it is a "routed taxi", but that would probably also confuse you11:00
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johnxthat whole concept is absolutely foreign to me :)11:01
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Stskeepswhen does elections end again?11:05
johnxend of the month?11:06
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johnxends the 23:59 sept 27th UTC11:06
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Jaffajohnx: Stskeeps: runs for a week. Started on Monday; ends midnight UTC Sunday11:11
JaffaNew council will run sprint meeting next Tuesday, and organised for the summit11:11
JaffaErr, sorry - week after next Tuesday11:12
* Jaffa can't use a calendar11:13
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Jaffamorning pvanhoof11:13
pvanhoofmorning Jaffa11:14
Jaffapvanhoof: Did you see my comment on google-album-art-downloader?11:14
pvanhoofJaffa, the postinst script should trigger this 'retry;11:16
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Jaffapvanhoof: Ah, cool. What's the algorithm BTW? If it was me it'd be largely square images for the album & artist name?11:22
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pvanhoofJaffa, algorithm for? downloading the images?11:24
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Stskeepsmm, someone needs to copy 'tar' from extras-devel diablo to fremantle11:25
X-FadeStskeeps: What are you suggesting? :)11:26
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Stskeepswell, busybox tar doesn't unpack things correctly11:26
Jaffapvanhoof: Well, *finding* the images. Downloading them should be pretty trivial ;-)11:26
X-FadeStskeeps: Let me see if I can put it through the builder.11:26
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Jaffapvanhoof: Ah cool, I wondered where the source was. Ta.11:33
pvanhoofJaffa, for Tracker master it's of course very different11:34
* Jaffa nods11:34
pvanhoofAs this script uses tracker11:34
pvanhoofBut this is targeted for Fremantle of course11:34
woglindehm whats the best way now to use sdk stuff under 64bit11:34
pvanhoofJaffa, Something like, SELECT ?as WHERE { ?o a nfo:Image ; nie:isStoredAs ?as }11:35
pvanhoofAnd then tracker-sparql -q '$that_query'11:35
pvanhoofAnd then you get lines with a \t in front I think, that are the file:// uris to the images, so you probably want the album not the filename11:36
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pvanhoofSELECT ?album WHERE { ?o a nfo:Image ; nmm:album ?x . ?x nmm:albumName ?album }11:36
pvanhoofnot sure about the predicate names, would have to look that up in the ontologies11:37
pvanhoofAnd you want a distinct in front of that first ?album too, else you possibly get duplicates11:37
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tigertnew gpodder rules11:46
X-Fadetigert: Yes it does. A lot better now.11:46
Myrttiis Panucci any better?11:46
Myrttior is it still the same old pile of steaming frustration?11:47
tigertthe portrait view rocks too11:47
tigertcan someone with working less check what method he uses to detect rotation?11:48
tigertmy n900 has just more and I dont know how to search with it :)11:48
X-Fadetigert: The only thing I miss is a play button directly on the episode listing ;)11:48
Jaffapvanhoof: Is there documentation on what Uri.escape_string does? Initial static code inspection would suggest that URI escaping a string which had already had spaces turned into + would be wrong11:48
tigertX-Fade: sure11:49
tigertX-Fade: its an iterative process11:49
tigertthis is sweet step11:49
X-Fadetigert: rotation code.11:49
Jaffapvanhoof: Also, the image URL it's looking for doesn't correspond to the results page I get :-(11:50
Jaffapvanhoof: e.g.
pvanhoofJaffa, hmm maybe google changed things11:50
pvanhoofIn that case, the program is broken :)11:50
tigertX-Fade: thanks11:51
Jaffapvanhoof: Perhaps just looking for http://...tbn would be more robust?11:51
pvanhoofnod, feel free to write a patch11:51
* Jaffa will add it to his ever growing TODO list11:52
JaffaVala's documentation (or Google's indexing of it) still sucks :-( Trying to find the definition of asstring.str11:53
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lcuksummit hotel booking - quick howto needed please?   do i request when i book with kalevatravelteam11:56
pvanhoofJaffa, I think11:56
Jaffapvanhoof: Ah, cool. Ta.11:56
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Jaffapvanhoof: Would you object to a patch which introduced a GLib.Regex dependency? Equivalent to the Perl: my ($url) = asstring =11:57
lcuki am filling in form  for travel, but do i just rollup at the hotel and expect it covered or do i also book that with same people11:58
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KhertanHi !11:58
Jaffapvanhoof: Would you object to a patch which introduced a GLib.Regex dependency? Equivalent to the Perl: my ($url) = asstring =~ /<img[^>]+src="(http://[^"]+tbn[^"]+)"/11:58
Khertansomeone with an fremantle sdk or an n900 can try to install the package msaber available in extras-devel ?11:59
Khertani would like to know if dependancies are ok11:59
JaffaKhertan: accelerometer-based light sabre?11:59
KhertanJaffa: yep11:59
KhertanmSaber is a useless lightsaber simulator for maemo which use accelerometers.11:59
pvanhoofJaffa, no, go ahead11:59
pvanhoofJaffa, you have a gitorious account btw?12:00
pvanhoofIf so, just pastebin me the patch, push it, and even feel free to throw the package into the buildbot of maemo12:00
lcukjaffa, its cool..12:00
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KhertanJaffa: i dev it without the fremantle sdk, without a device ... so don't know if it s work well :)12:00
pvanhoof(after bumping the version, of course)12:00
Jaffapvanhoof: No, no gitorious account12:00
* tigert is very happy with his gpodder now12:00
pvanhoofJaffa, ok, then use git's format-patches feature and E-mail me the patch to philip@codeminded.be12:01
johnxlcuk, I just added my name to the shared rooms list. was I supposed to do something else?12:01
Khertanlcuk: :) msaber available in extras-devel for fremantle ... anyway i don't know if it s works :)12:01
lcukwell im thinking the same, im arriving different time tho - i just need to know if i rollup sooner will the hotel know12:02
JaffaKhertan: maemo-optified?12:02
pvanhoofJaffa, feel free to bump the project's and package's version already, in that patch12:02
KhertanJaffa: optified ?12:02
Jaffapvanhoof: Will do.12:02
lcukjaffa do all projects need optifying?12:02
JaffaKhertan: maemo-optify is a tool to help you use /opt, to ensure your app doesn't use up the precious rootfs space12:02
Jaffalcuk: It's unclear; my approach is going to be "yes"12:02
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KhertanJaffa: hum ... an other original maemo idea ?12:03
JaffaKhertan: Yup. See the -developers thread.12:03
lcukjaffa - thats gonna be hard.  my cc is expiring.12:03
KhertanJaffa: yep i m currently looking12:03
KhertanJaffa: but if things is moved to opt ... path need to be different12:04
JaffaKhertan: It installs but doesn't run12:04
Khertansnifff ...12:04
KhertanJaffa: an error ?12:04
JaffaKhertan: maemo-optify will run as part of debian/rules and supposed to put symlinks in the place of the original files12:04
lcuki cant afford to dive over there on the chance i will pay - refunds would take longer than the funds we have left12:04
KhertanJaffa: an xterm trace ?12:04
JaffaKhertan: It starts; but then exits. Let me check from X Terminal12:05
JaffaKhertan: Boils down to "pygame.error: Couldn't open" on line 31 of /usr/lib/msaber/msaber.py12:05
gomiamKhertan: not original, really. /opt has been a staple of UNIX systems for a long time. Being able to free some flash space will help me avoid doing hand linking :)12:05
gomiamso I'm all for optifying as much as possible.12:06
KhertanJaffa: arg ... i ve forgotten to include my last png image12:06
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Khertanin the package12:06
Woollyhey guys, anyone a dbus master? :D12:06
Jaffagomiam: Except /opt isn't being used like the FHS says it should, which'd be /opt/<package> rather than /opt/maemo (if you use maemo-optify at least)12:06
Khertangomiam: depends on which distribution12:06
gomiamKhertan: notice I said UNIX, not Linux ;)12:06
Khertangomiam: yep12:06
gomiamJaffa: ok, so it can be modified to be FHS compliant, can't it?12:07
Khertanthanks Jaffa for your tests12:07
Jaffagomiam: m-vo doesn't want maemo-optify to try and make packages FHS compliant. I think it should.12:07
gomiamthen again, it seems maemo-optify is Fremantle-only, so it's not a solution for me right now :)12:08
gomiamJaffa: well, any rationale behind not being FHS compliant?12:08
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gomiam(from m-vo, of course, since you and I both think it would be better to keep it FHS compliant)12:09
Jaffagomiam: It still wouldn't follow every single letter of the FHS for using /opt, so /usr/bin/foo -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/foo rather than /opt/foo/bin/foo12:09
JaffaThe FHS talks about /etc/opt and other things as well12:09
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gomiammmm... /etc/opt or /opt/etc? :)12:09
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Jaffagomiam: m-vo is going to put maemo-optify in diablo so that it can be used in build scripts for packages on both diablo & fremantle12:09
gomiamoh, nice :)12:10
gomiamI may yet avoid loading Maemo on a SD card :)12:10
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JaffaAnd of course, using /opt in Diablo packages also allows diablo users to mount it somewhere else as well12:11
gomiamyup, yup :)12:11
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Khertanthe autoconf approach of --datadir or similar <<< burk12:12
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Khertanmsaber_0.0.1-2 uploaded to autobuilder :)12:13
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JaffaKhertan: Well, I'm a RISC OS/ROX man deep down, so I like packages being relatively self-container rather than strewn over the place. Makes random hacking easier ;-)12:14
JaffaKhertan: Cool12:14
keesjsomething like
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keesj(so shipping the deps and such with the pacakges?)12:17
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Woollymorning lardman12:19
Jaffakeesj: I don't mind packages inter-depending, but the resources for one package should (in general) be contained in a single place, IMHO12:19
JaffaBut that's not the non-/opt approach for Linux in general12:19
lardmanhey Woolly12:20
Woollyhow's your barcode stuff going?12:20
lardmanWoolly: just about got some useful data out, but my bindings are obviously a bit skew-whif12:20
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lardmanam returning some random strings from somewhere12:21
Woollynice one :)12:21
WoollyI gave up on Python, and went back to C :D12:21
lardmanI was feeling that yesterday :(12:21
lardmanyou still not got the batoo bindings working then?12:22
Woollynah, got bored of trying12:22
WoollyI've just been modifying maemo-barcode to do what I want12:22
lardmanI'll have a look at them if I get some time this week12:22
lardmanah fair enough12:22
Woollymaemo-barcode is incredibly quick :D12:22
Khertan[2009-09-23 12:16:32] msaber 0.0.1-2 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository12:23
Woollyare you using an n800, or an n810?12:23
lardmanI was using an N810, but not that handy so have dug out the n80012:23
keesjis Woolly the GSoc?12:23
lardmanno, I don;t think so12:24
lardmannothing to do with me mind you :)12:24
lardmanGoogle summer of code12:24
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Woollyyou should get the farsight plugins if you haven't already12:24
Woollyfor handling the auto-rotate of the n800 camera12:25
lardmanactually the gconfv4l2src should do that automatically12:25
Woollythat's what I'm using12:25
lardmanthough it's hit and miss12:25
Woollyalthough did I not have to get the farsight plugins to get that?12:25
lardmanno idea really12:26
Woollycool beans, but yeah, gconfv4l2src is what I'm using :D12:26
Woollyand I've got a Python app to handle barcode lookups, munging the XML with BeautifulSoup and getting the stuff I want :D12:27
Woollythrough Amazon AWS12:27
lardmanCould I nick your code?12:28
lardmanthere is some other scraping code from the barcode GSoC project too12:28
lardmanon Garage under something-shop12:28
* lardman checks the name12:28
Woollysweet I'll check that out12:29
lardmanlet me know if you want to go with the batoo bindings though, I think I've got the hang of SWIG now, and certainly the batoo decoder is working inside my extension12:29
Woollywill do12:29
lardmanI can see the printfs, just can't get the string out yet!12:30
Woollyhaha cool :D12:30
Woollywant the Python lookup code?12:30
lardmanyeah would be useful, the more the better :)12:30
Woollyyou'll need to register for AWS if you haven't already12:30
Woollybut I'll email that across to you now12:30
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lardmanI am registered, just not got round to writing much code for that yet12:31
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lardmanthanks :)12:31
Woollyhaha :D12:31
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Woollylardman: sent :)12:34
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lardmanhmm, qrcode.h:13: error: storage class specified for parameter `qr_point'12:39
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KhertanYouhou ! a vmware image of the Fremantle sdk !12:55
Stskeepsbut yeah12:55
lardmanwoo-hoo! it works, at last!12:56
KhertanStskeeps: yep but better than nothing !12:58
lardmanlibdmtx decoding is really rather slow12:59
lardmanderf: you about?13:01
Khertansomeone to test msaber_0.0.1-2_armel.deb on n900 or maemo sdk ? (mine is downloading ;) )13:04
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Khertanavailable in extras-devel fremantle13:04
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RST38hBTW, anyone compiled Midnight Commander for Fremantle already? =)13:08
fralshm, it should be possible to rebind the hardware buttons to launch a specific app right? like if you hold the volume- for X seconds?13:09
JaffaKhertan: You need to use your app icon in XB-Maemo-Icon-26, btw ;-)13:10
Khertanhum yep :)13:10
JaffaKhertan: Same error13:11
Khertanbut it suppose i should convert it before in 26x2613:11
KhertanJaffa:  ? uh ?13:11
JaffaKhertan: For fremantle it's 48x48 (even tho it says -26)13:11
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KhertanJaffa: could you try in xterm :13:12
Khertanpython /usr/lib/msabe/msaber.py13:12
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Khertanpython /usr/lib/msaber/msaber.py13:12
JaffaKhertan: 0.0.1-2 is installed according to apt-cache policy; and it gives the same saber_on.png error on line 31 as before.13:14
javispedrogah, fremantle sdl is built without esd support. so now I have to install pulse to get any audio from sdk at all13:15
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andre__javispedro, esd is ugly and must die anyway.13:22
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javispedroit was simple at least :)13:23
andre__and totally unmaintained :-P13:23
Khertanjavispedro: does the file is present in /usr/lib/msaber/ ?13:23
Khertanjava: does the file is present in /usr/lib/msaber/ ?13:23
Khertanjavispedro: sorry wrong tabs13:23
javispedroKhertan: /usr/lib/msaber/saber_on.png: PNG image data, 480 x 360, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced13:24
javispedro;) (I downloaded it in the x86 sdk)13:24
javispedrobut can't run it due to no pulseaudio13:24
JaffaKhertan: You're assuming current directory somewhere. If I switch to /usr/lib/msaber it starts13:25
Khertanyep ... and no ... sys.path.append('/usr/lib/msaber') should be enough normally13:25
JaffaKhertan: Tap the screen to open the saber? Does it ever move or is ist just sounds? Mouse pointer is visible.13:26
KhertanJaffa: yep mouse pointer is visible ...13:26
Khertantouch the screen open the saber and do sound13:26
Khertanand shake it do other sounds13:26
JaffaKhertan: And no way of closing apart from Ctrl-Backspace to open dashboard and clicking its close there (AFAICT)13:26
Khertanactually i didn't move but it ll ...13:27
JaffaSaber seems a little small on screen. Blade should practically fill the screen IMHO13:27
KhertanJaffa: escape key13:27
JaffaKhertan: You're full screen. There is no escape key.13:27
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KhertanJaffa: arf ... i ve forgotten that n900 didn't have hard key13:27
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KhertanJaffa: yep the saber will be full screen :)13:28
Khertanthis is not final ui ... the main purpose is to test the reaction of the accelerometers13:28
Khertanand this is quite difficult without a n900 :)13:29
Khertanbut thanks for the test13:29
tigertKhertan: I can test in a moment13:29
tigertjust have to restore a backup after reflash13:30
Khertanand proposition ... i ll try to do graphics my self13:30
JaffaKhertan: Seems basically fine in terms of response AFAICT13:30
Khertanto avoid copyright problem13:30
KhertanJaffa: oh really ?13:30
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SpeedEvilKhertan: wiimote13:34
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Khertanwiimote ? gnié ?13:36
Khertanjust a question what is the precision in term of centimeters of gps ?13:36
* Khertan is thinking of bluetooth communication between 2 devices using mSaber to simulate also the sound when the two saber meet themself13:37
atx_fhhey, i have a question: i'm trying to compile cacaoVM (with gnu classpath API. ) under scratchbox target (x86). .7configure wants a java compiler like javac or gcj. can i install gcj out of ubuntus repos?13:37
Khertanbut need to calculate position and distance13:37
SpeedEvilKhertan: it depends13:37
SpeedEvilKhertan: 4m or so average error is common with most GPS devices13:38
SpeedEvilKhertan: in moderately good conditions13:38
Khertantoo much13:38
X-FadeKhertan: Better use BT to find out if you are near the other.13:38
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SpeedEvilKhertan: with close devices - maybe 3m - there is some error sharing13:38
X-FadeKhertan: Then you can also sync the motion/clash sounds.13:38
KhertanX-Fade: yep this is the purpose13:39
Khertanhow to detect range with bluetooth with signal strenght ?13:39
X-FadeKhertan: No, but if BT works you are close enough?13:39
X-FadeKhertan: It is supposed to be a gimmick, not the real thing ;)13:40
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SpeedEvilStupid overkill.13:48
SpeedEvilGiven two panoramas constructed from the user waving the device about, you can correlate visible features to get an idea of range.13:49
lcukX-Fade, bt takes ~ 10 seconds to "ping" all devices and get info13:50
lcukit would be a very slow sword fight13:50
gomiamSpeedEvil: yay, Rube Goldberg-esque contraption XD13:50
lcukperhaps have each device emit a specific frequency tone13:50
lcukhopefully out of audible range ;)13:51
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gomiamlcuk: slow? Haven't you watched anime? Sword fights are supposed to be slow, with lots of talk in between :D13:51
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RST38hgomiam: that is chess13:53
gomiamRST38h: no, anime chess is fast13:54
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adeusbattle chess!13:54
gomiamor it should be, at least to compensate for the action scenes being so slow :)13:54
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SpeedEvilYou can in principle do ranging using FM and reflections - but I don't think you've got enough data13:55
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gomiamadeus: oh, that was an entertaining game, for a bit at least :)13:55
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RST38hEldar continues claiming N900 is unstable =)13:56
SpeedEvilIt is.13:56
SpeedEvilIt needs a nice stand, so it can't be tipped over.13:56
* javispedro writes horrible hack13:57
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* RST38h 's idea of an entertaining game is closer to the Dungeon Keeper14:01
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RST38hOr Heaven&Hell14:01
adeushmm battle chess is free for download in adandonia14:01
RST38hwhat platform?14:01
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tigertKhertan: it died, couldnt find start png14:02
RST38hFeh. PC.14:02
tigertsaber_on.png not found14:02
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* lbt is getting spam with N900 in the title...14:09
lbtI'll bet Peter is pleased ;)14:10
RST38honly if it actually extends your penis...14:10
inzadeus, yeah, that was a great game, checkmate with knight was the "best"14:11
RST38hThis game talk made me remember something... Does anyone remember the game where you had to evolve a planetary ecosphere to fight human colonists?14:11
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RST38hI tried googling but could not find it. What was the name of this game?14:11
adeusneed more hints14:13
RST38hWas published around 2000-200314:14
alteregoIt was Elite's 25th anniversary the other day.14:14
alteregoElite would be good on the N900 with an accelerometer ^_^14:15
tigertRST38h: Settlers come to mind but maybe thats not it14:15
tigertand it was older14:15
RST38htigert: Isn't it14:16
RST38htigert: The point wasn't to settle, it was pure pest control14:16
adeuskill all humans?14:16
adeusnot the game name put the purpose14:17
RST38hKill All Humans is just normal 3D tourism thing with aliens14:17
RST38hThe one I am talking about is more like Civilization14:18
Maceri hate doing laundry14:18
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RST38halterego: Oh, YESSS, Elite, PLEASE!!!14:21
* RST38h starts thinking on using accelerometer for iNES dpad control14:21
adeusI would look in the wikipedia game lists, e.g.
adeusmaybe one of those ring a bell14:22
tigertaccelerometer joystick driver would be nice14:22
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RST38hadeus: thanks14:27
RST38htigert: I just need to know how to access accelerometer, EMULib has got its own dpad API14:28
tigertI am not really a good person to ask this from, I just do pretty pixels :/14:30
RST38hadeus: not there14:30
adeusmaybe a "god game"14:30
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keesjand what about the push_nbutton project , would people want this n900 extention and if so what would they like?14:35
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Khertankeesj: hum ... i prefer to connect a usb gamepad to the microusb port ... and the output to the tv :)14:50
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keesjKhertan also cool, all you need is usb-host14:52
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Khertankeesj: which isn't officially supported by nokia on n900, but doesn't mean it cannot be done14:52
X-FadeJust use a wiimote or PS3 controller over BT?14:53
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keesjX-Fade: that is a little like when I just started with the n800 using a BT keyboard14:56
Khertanif only i can connect a larger screen on my n800 ....14:57
keesjif you are not mobile you might aswell use a different device14:57
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Khertankeesj: i didn't want to travel with the larger screen14:58
keesjOk so you need this
Khertanand so require every time that data is synced14:58
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keesjthinking of it's I will add it to the nbutton project14:59
Khertanhum ... i ve a hardware project for push n900 :
Khertansomething like that ?15:00
keesjgo for the pico projector!15:01
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lcukkeesj, are you taking your nbutton proposal to the summit and let people hack and play15:02
* SpeedEvil tries to remember the details on the film with something like Khertan's proposal.15:02
SpeedEvilthough with an old-fashioned typewriter keyb too15:02
keesjThere is not much time but I certainly would fancy a BOF about this15:02
lcukif so, you could put it in the community showcase area:  even if its just for a couple of hours you could get some feedback and ideas that the internet doesnt always allow15:03
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lcukit needs work to make it work, but  im sure if we can get more people involved its the right place for it15:04
lcukive asked lbt if he wants to bring his hardware hack too15:04
fralshmm, is it just me, or cant you change your last name on after initial registration? whenever i try to do it it stays for the session and then reverts to the one i used when regging15:05
* SpeedEvil wants to do a micro-stick-on thumbstick.15:05
SpeedEvilBut it's not really triial.15:05
lcukkeesj, if that sounds good, just reply on the list and offer to hang about to talk to people for a bit15:05
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Willhi friends,I met a problem,when I run ./configure in scratchbox, it prompt me can not found hildmm....can anybody fix it?15:06
wazdDamn, I need more RAM or SSD for scratch disk :)15:07
Willsorry , not hildmm,it's hildonmm15:07
lcuklol keesj, your lego hack is more complete than a whole pandora!15:07
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SpeedEvilkeesj: There are USB HID hobbiest devices.15:08
SpeedEvilkeesj: however - I don't recall where I saw them15:08
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Willcan anybody help me?15:09
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wazdwooden n900 ftw :) Much better than cheap plasic :P15:09
SpeedEvilkeesj: Also - PCBs aren't that scary :)15:10
SpeedEvilWooden, with brass fittings.15:10
SpeedEvilAnd a nice leather strap.15:10
keesjyes, for usb-host there are quite a few programs that run on micro-controllers15:10
SpeedEvilAh - I forgot about the USB host possible issue15:10
keesjI have an alternative ready (the hammer) but it's a big gun to shoot with :p15:11
SpeedEvilhammer is way expensive.15:11
SpeedEvilIf you wanted cheap and easy you could go:
keesjindeed but I already have it15:11
SpeedEvilwith a little USB hub15:12
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keesjthanks for the link15:13
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keesjwhere can i buy?15:14
SpeedEvilthe above15:17
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SpeedEvilkeesj: you click on the cunningly hidden 'buy' link at the bottom?15:18
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lbtlcuk: I'm picking up more bits this pm... I'll know more over the weekend15:20
lbthappy to be involved if I'm around... need to check schedule for talks though15:21
lcuklbt, im more interested if you wanna sit around and hack and play like we did in cph15:21
lcukyeah we all do15:21
lcukbut the more thats involved the easier that is15:21
lbtof course :)15:22
wazdOMWeather reached Fremantle Extras at last :)15:22
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lcukkeesj, same for you - and anyone else too.  an informal community hacking group during the summit.  if people wanna get involved speak up on the thread here:15:23
lcukcooool wazd15:23
* keesj doesn't get tmo. wastes to much time15:24
lbtwhereas irc otoh...15:26
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keesjbut I will look tonight15:28
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* RST38h moos15:37
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* aquatix moos back15:37
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* VDVsx re-mooos15:39
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* ccooke reads back a bit; lcuk: Is there anything actually planned for the community hacking group or is it just "we'll have some space for it if you feel like it"?15:47
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ccookethe thread doesn't really seem to say what you think will happen there :-)15:48
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lcukwell it was opened as a community area, i noticed it amongst other things and the "hacking space" side of things would  just be a way to try different things15:49
fiferboyHmm, my font selector updates preview and returns the font now15:49
lcuki dont know what it would  mean or what would exactly happen15:50
fiferboyBut I don't like how pango handles underlining15:50
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lcukbut i think it would be better to have a table and a few community members there  talking and playing  with stuff than nothing  at all15:50
ccookelcuk: Yeah, sounds like a nice idea15:51
ccooke(but I can see why people are basically ignoring the thread)15:52
* lcuk might be completely wrong and quim s assertion may be right - but its worth a try if we can have it15:52
lcuki  agree15:52
ccookeThing is, it's not really something that needs replies as presented.15:52
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ccookeHuh. Pandora's keypad looks surprisingly similar to the new Nokia ones.15:53
* lcuk does agree and doesnt know exactly what it will be used for15:54
lcuklol ccooke what - its made of lego?15:54
ccookelcuk: go to openpandora and see their render15:54
ccookeIt looks... *very* familiar15:54
ccookeI wonder if it'll ever actually exist?15:54
lcuki have something better than a render tyvm15:54
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* lcuk touches "it"15:55
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ccooke(the whole pandora thing would trigger every last one of my scam alarm bells if they hadn't refunded pre-orders... and it still triggers most of them)15:56
lardmanccooke: I was wondering about that, perhaps they will deliver only 2 years late ;)15:56
ccooke(... but it's probably just another honest-but-horribly-managed example of engineers trying to produce their perfect device :-)15:57
penguinbaitits all very shady15:57
penguinbaitI wish I had one in my hand though15:58
ccookepenguinbait: dunno. I've seen similar things happen before and be proven to just be honest people who are idiots in some way15:58
ccooke(and let's be honest: Everyone's an idiot in some way...)15:58
penguinbaitI resemble that remark15:58
aquatixam not!15:59
ccookeFrom what I've seen, they're trying to make the perfect device. Ever heard the horrible maxim "The best is the enemy of the good"?15:59
aquatixi'm a *big* idiot15:59
lardmanI can't understand why they don't just come out with a realistic timeline now that they have people's money (as opposed to cc money)15:59
aquatixccooke: yep15:59
penguinbaitseriously lardman I concur15:59
ccookeIt's a soul-crushingly horrible thing to say... and very, very true.15:59
aquatixthat's why i try not to be a perfectionist16:00
penguinbaitJust say, its gonna be December, or March or whatever, have a real timelime, I think to many people would not have stayed16:00
MaceN8x0hm, wish this artigo had a little more kick to it16:00
lardmanpeople are stuck now, they've moved actual money16:00
ccooke(... it's a bit like the OpenMoko disaster, except *they* had better business sense)16:01
MaceN8x0lardman, yeah but in the end it might be worth it16:01
penguinbaitThey tried to get me to repurchase in May, and said it was going to ship in June, hahahahah16:01
ccookewait, they have peoples money?16:01
ccookenot via credit cards?16:01
penguinbaityup, it was a preorder froom over a year ago16:01
penguinbaitand yes, no credit cards16:02
MaceN8x0yeah, a black truck collects it16:02
lardmanyeah, they wouldn't allow reorders unless you used a money transfer16:02
ccookeI thought they refunded the preorders?16:02
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penguinbaityou are totally screwed if they go under16:02
lardmanyeah, then wanted the transfers or no order16:02
MaceN8x0sounds like a scam16:02
lardmanI didn't re-order16:02
ccooke... Okay. On balance, then, they are at *least* being dishonest with people's money.16:02
MaceN8x0what device?16:02
MaceN8x0a pandora?16:02
alteregoOpen Pandora thingy16:03
alteregoLooks scht16:03
ccookealterego: it's *somebody's* perfect device.16:03
MaceN8x0haven't they said they were releasing it a year ago16:03
alteregoMaybe, not me :P16:03
MaceN8x0it is a scam16:03
ccooke... personally, I think their new keyboard looks like it'll be horribly to type on16:03
* luke-jr wonders how much that price figure should have dropped since people paid it.16:03
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MaceN8x0long term scam16:03
ccookeassumin it ever, you know, existed16:03
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alteregoI will never have _my_ perfect device until someone actually creates something that does all I want it to do and things I haven't even thought I want it to do yet.16:03
alteregoWhich wont ever happen.16:04
luke-jrunfortunately, they've probably screwed up for anyone who wanted to have the buyers pre-pay to cover the production runs16:04
ccookeI wonder if any UK person preordered... Assuming they have proof of the money transfer, taking them through small claims court might be just the shock the pandora people need ;-)16:04
luke-jrnow everyone who pre-ordered a Pandora is thinking "I'll never make that mistake again"16:04
penguinbaitI paid 208GBP which at the time was around 375$ US dollars, and I was returned 208GBP which at the time was 308$ US Dollars, I lost money on it from the start16:05
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ccookeluke-jr: to be honest, I found the attitude of at least a couple of their people rather irritating. I may be judging them harshly because of it.16:05
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ccooke(The "Watch out nokia! etc" sig on the forums, for instance...)16:06
luke-jrthere was probably a future for open hardware based on people paying before production runs, but Pandora's screwed that up for a while :/16:06
ccookeluke-jr: no, look at the crunchpad16:06
ccookethat's an example of doing this *properly*16:07
ccooke(they have prototypes that people have *seen*, for a start)16:07
MaceN8x0i still say it is a scam16:07
MaceN8x0"coming soon" while they are living off others' money16:07
MaceN8x0have to give the con artists an A+ on that one16:08
ccookeMaceN8x0: classic behaviour, unfortunately :-/16:08
MaceN8x0well. touchbooks started going out16:09
MaceN8x0real people are starting to get them16:09
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MaceN8x0you never know16:10
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MaceN8x0i thought tbs were vapor too16:10
MaceN8x0i am still waiting on mine16:10
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ccookeI have every intention of getting a crunchpad at some point after it ships. Looks like a fun thing to play with16:11
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MaceN8x0at least this artigo can play xvids16:12
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Stskeepsi kinda want a
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fiferboyIt looks like bold and italic are font styles, but underline and strikeout are text attributes16:25
fiferboywazd: Is there a better way to optimize space with just the "B" and "I" buttons?16:26
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carboncopypush Gmail on EAS protocol -
carboncopyis there any email client on maemo which supports EAS?16:27
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wazdfiferboy: you want to remove S and U?16:32
fiferboywazd: Yes16:32
fiferboyAt least for the time being16:32
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Khertanlcuk: msaber 0.0.2-1Fremantle Extras-devel free i386Package importedSystem2009-09-23 13:22 UTC16:37
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wazdfiferboy: well, what will it optimize then? :)16:38
wazdfiferboy: since S and U affects the font look too16:38
fiferboywazd: S and U are considered text attributes and are not available to me (in the easiest, laziest form) when returning the font description16:39
wazdah :)16:40
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wazdwell, screw them then :)16:40
fiferboyFor now, at least16:40
wazdfiferboy: maybe you can move them to the row with font preview16:41
fiferboywazd: I'll try that16:41
timelesscould someone provide a picture of the ui under discussion?16:46
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* timeless clicks17:07
timelesslose the article "a" from the title17:08
SpeedEvilfiferboy: looking good17:08
timelesspersonally, i'd stick the bsui above done17:08
timelessif possible as a single row17:09
SpeedEvilThough I agree S- and U_ wouldn't usually be fonts17:09
fiferboytimeless: can't :/17:09
timelesswhy  not17:09
SpeedEvilAnymore than - forex - pink would be in the font selection17:09
* Myrtti considers taking pink from hilight17:09
fiferboyI am going to put "B" and "I" on the preview line, though17:09
timelessif you can't, then as speedevil notes. just lose them from the dialog17:09
timelessyou can definitely have buttons above done17:10
timelesswe do it17:10
* SpeedEvil wonders at replacing the preview window and font size selctor with 25 abc 26 def 27 ghi...17:10
SpeedEviland having it spin sideways17:11
timelessa set of tiny buttons is probably not something we've done, but..17:11
timelesspersonally i prefer the quick brown fox jumps over ther lazy dog17:11
SpeedEviltimeless: I was meaning the current font-size - say 27 - is highlighted - and you scroll it left or right to make it larger or smaller17:12
SpeedEvilbut pribably not transparent to the user17:12
fiferboytimeless: What have you put over done?17:13
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SpeedEvilAlternatively - can the font size list be moved over 'done' - and shrunk to three items?17:16
fiferboyI have no experience with what can be over "Done"17:16
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* SpeedEvil is just rambling.17:16
fiferboyI was under the impression that this is the dialogs button area, and it is to be used for dialog buttons17:17
fiferboySpeedEvil: keep rambling, I like having lots of ideas17:17
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RST38hfiferboy: "-- Are you in charge here? -- Not really, but I have got a lot of ideas!" (C)Dr Who17:20
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fiferboyRST38h: :)17:21
SpeedEvilFont size is set by the GPS speed.17:21
RST38hOn the other hand, in the same segment there was a quote "-- Was that ambulance going to a hospital or an asylum?"17:21
SpeedEvilYou want big fonts, you need to run!17:21
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asj_wrk-SpeedEvil: that's discriminitory to old peolpe ;)17:29
ccookeHmm. Nokia definitely said no MMS, right?17:31
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MaceN8x0The election of the Maemo Community Council is now open.17:45
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MaceN8x0there is a maemo council?17:46
GeneralAntillesWell, arguably it's called Nokia, Inc.17:46
MaceN8x0wonder what they do17:46
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MaceN8x0like prevent world war?17:47
MaceN8x0the maemo council17:47
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GAN800Um, the managers and executives of Nokia and Maemo Devices decide where the platform is going?17:48
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MaceN8x0which is why i am confused about the council17:50
X-FadeMaceN8x0: The council should act as a gateway between Nokia and community.17:52
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GeneralAntillesThe Maemo _Community_ Council does as X-Fade says.17:52
GeneralAntillesWe're basically facilitators for the community.17:52
penguinbaitWhy did you not rerun GA?17:54
GeneralAntillesBecause a year is long enough and we need new blood17:54
GeneralAntillesand I'm tired of being at the FLAME end of the insanity.17:54
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lcukpenguinbait, i actually think the current council were afraid of the uniforms thread18:08
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wazdohoh, Eldar Murtazin says that he will publish the review of Maemo 5 this evening and it will be bad :)18:11
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qwerty12Ooh, a review from a twat. Scary. :)18:11
X-FadeThat guy is all over the place ;)18:12
lcuknahhh X-Fade thats me18:13
qwerty12/ignore lcuk18:13
lcukeldar murtazin can go suck eggs, after the blazing amount of publicity and fanfare his "leak" did hes now just stirring up controvercy.  all he is interested in is page views \@/18:13
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lcuko_O AGAIN18:13
lcukMyrtti, could you ask qwerty why he blocked me again18:14
qwerty12It's not him saying it's bad that annoys me, but, rather, what he's basing his review on18:14
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qwerty12(review used in the loosest sense of the word)18:15
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GeneralAntillesYeah, not much respect for him.18:15
lcukdid anyone find out where he got the device from in the first place18:16
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wazdlcuk: I prefer to laugh at him in his own house :D18:18
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qwerty12wazd: and then take his N900? Because he clearly doesn't like it :)18:19
lcukyeah, poor impoverished children in first world countries would lap up an  n90018:20
wazdseriously, at first I thought everyone is wrong bout him and he's pretty good guy18:20
qwerty12Yeah, lcuk, I heard you were delighted to get yours18:20
wazdbut now I see his 180 degree turns in his thoughts bout n90018:20
wazdlooks like he's just a pathetic flamboiant wannabe18:21
lcuki will continue to be delighted with it - its got so many facets anddirections it can take18:21
lcukand all the limitations and low ceilings from the n810 are removed - everything is simply - better18:22
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lcukeven something as humble and simple as a textmessage.  i have spent more money sending texts between myself and tracy than i ever did with a predictive text phone, and i can remember the whole conversation18:24
qwerty12That feature has been in Nokia phones for a while now18:24
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lcuknot in tracys or any of hte previous ones18:25
lcukscreen res hasnt been usable - maybe smart phones18:25
lcukive never seen the point of a smart phone thats restricted to 0-9 keys - qwerty is the future!18:26
* qwerty12 blushes18:26
lcuk:D heh18:26
* slonopotamus inplant... outplant...18:26
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* lcuk pokes aSIMULAter, just because 18:28
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lcuki best go tho18:28
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wazdsuckers :D18:46
wazdthis item is not available in russian appstore18:48
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VDVsxwazd, what a shame, you can't have a cool calculator in your Hiphone :P18:53
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RST38hwazd: BA-series calcs are somewhat of a classic18:59
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RST38hwazd: they are pretty stupid but lots of people use them18:59
qwerty12Moo, RST38h19:00
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RST38hqwerty: Moo! MThe Bug has been resolved!!!19:01
qwerty12I saw, glad to hear it :)19:02
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wazdRST38h: iphone users pay again for what others have for free :)19:05
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lcukwazd, the calculators?  not for long - ti have started suing people for rom hijacking or something19:08
slonopotamuswazd, they'll tell you that stuff they get is much more fancy-shmancy than others could ever imagine19:08
RST38hwazd: I do not do BA19:08
RST38hwazd: so, no19:08
lcukRST38h, i know i showed you the slash article, how does that sit with yours, and would it be beneficial to attempt real collaboration with ti19:09
lcukfor official version19:09
RST38hlcuk: I think I will get DMCAed to death19:10
RST38hlcuk: So prefer to stay separate19:10
RST38hBesides, BA is a dumb calc, it has nothing to do with progammable calcs19:10
lcuki think it would be better to try officially one day soon - we have ti hardware in our devices, using ti software on them would be fitting19:10
wazdlcuk: can you tell me the number of your n900 firmware?19:10
lcuk(a) i have old old old hardware19:10
lcuk(b) you are russian hacker19:11
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lcukwazd, my firmware is in sync with the publically released sdk - it has to be19:12
lcuki cannot install a later one due to -dev problems19:12
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wazdEldar said that he has n920 proto :)19:13
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lcukwazd, good for him.19:15
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pupnik_mmmmüà assam19:15
qwerty12Two-faced cunt. I mean, if Maemo 5 sucks so much, then why would you want the N920?19:15
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wazdqwerty12: well, he's taking protos from someone giving it to him :) Why wouldn't he :)19:17
Khertan_n810Hi again !19:17
qwerty12True, I guess writing up another shit review must be fun19:17
qwerty12Hi Khertan_n81019:17
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Kht_in_trainhi qwerty1219:18
mmu_screen<troll>to port Haiku to it</troll>19:19
Kht_in_trainhum how participants was present at the first summit ? only 200 ...19:19
Kht_in_traini think it was more19:19
lcuk199 participants and one ugly dude.19:19
lcukthink he was called curtain or something :p19:20
* lcuk is daring you to strike me with light sabre19:20
lcukwe should have battles on the tables and stuff19:20
Kht_in_trainhaha ... have you tried the 0.0.319:21
* lcuk remembers he has an obi-wan cloak19:21
lcuknot yet i havent19:21
Kht_in_traini m currently trying some communication idea to mesure distance between two users of mSaber19:21
Kht_in_trainand communicate position19:22
Myrttican you fly with the cloak?19:22
lcukMyrtti, no, but it lets me take my droids ANYWHERE19:22
Myrttiooo cool19:22
lcukKht_in_train, we thought about bt positioning last year19:22
Myrttiwhat about CATS WITH LAZERS?!19:22
lcukbut ping time is restrictive19:22
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lcuknearest i can think is using a known freuency chirp19:23
lcukand listening for them and basing distance on volume19:23
lcukknown frequency chirp19:23
lbtmm cats with lasers... mine are evil enough with just claws!!19:23
lcuksharks with lasers are better19:24
GeneralAntillesSharks with lasers are lame.19:24
RST38hwazd: Eldar apparently has 34.x firmware19:24
lbtthey'll drown19:24
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RST38hwazd: That is week 34.19:24
GeneralAntillesWhat're you gonna do with a laser shark? Kill frogmen?19:24
GeneralAntillesNow cats with lasers19:24
GeneralAntillesnobody ever suspects the cat!19:24
lcukthats like something i saw19:24
RST38hGeneral: light show19:24
penguinbaitiphones with lasers, pointing right out the speaker when pressed against head19:24
lcukSubmarine racing: not a spectator sport.19:24
* RST38h always suspects the cat19:25
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, no wonder its shit.19:25
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RST38hAnyone who ever had cats ALWAYS suspects the cat19:25
penguinbaitor maybe it was exploding batteries?19:25
GeneralAntillesRST38h, dunno, I've had cats all of my life.19:25
RST38hGeneral: Or he may be hitting some unlikely scenario (see email)19:25
GeneralAntillesMaybe they've just trained me too well.19:25
RST38hGeneral: Haven't ou notice how they always look at you as if you were meat?19:25
GeneralAntillesMine looks at me like I'm a dumbass.19:26
RST38hlcuk: Returning to the calc thing19:26
RST38hGeneral: EDIBLE dumbass19:26
qwerty12Mine looks at me and whines to be let out19:26
RST38hCases of cats eating their deceased owners are common19:26
RST38hDogs do it way less frequently19:26
RST38hlcuk: There are multiple issues there19:26
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RST38hlcuk: First of all, TI encourages hacking their calcs. They have even got a complete SDK for free, with the emulator and debugger19:27
GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I had a cat who did that then would run away as soon as you touched the door handle.19:27
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RST38hlcuk: Secondly, that article on Slashdot was about people cracking encryption used on TI84 and newer firmware19:27
penguinbaitdamn cats19:27
qwerty12GeneralAntilles: lol. This one can't wait to bolt out...19:27
RST38hlcuk: It is not about general hacking19:28
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penguinbaitI would rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy19:33
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Jaffapb-away: Did you have any answers on the -community thread?19:35
wazdRST38h: august?19:35
pb-awaysorry what thrad?19:36
VDVsxhumm eldar claims to have access to the "nokia bug list for n900" -> :P19:36
jeremiahOh that crazy Eldar19:37
Jaffaeldar is talking bollocks. I know this from people who provide access to the images. He hasn't got it.19:37
wazdJaffa: orly? :)19:38
RST38hlcuk: Thirdly that iPhone simulator simulates a dumb business calc which isn't much fun to emulate =)19:38
RST38hwazd: Yea19:38
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* RST38h suggests people do not discredit Eldar outright but rather assign his statements about 30% credibility19:39
VDVsxJaffa, don't say that, he've to everything, including nokia's HQ keys , lool19:39
VDVsxS/he've to/he've access/19:40
jeremiahIt does appear that Nokia leaked stuff to him on purpose.19:40
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RST38hnot really, he seems to have a contact or something19:41
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Jaffajeremiah: I've heard mention that his device may be stolen; or at least gained through somewhat nefarious methods. Nokia don't seem happy with him; and a lot of his whinging may be an attempt to publicly get them to do what he wants19:46
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* RST38h yawns and sadly notes that keeping Eldar semihappy may be a much better strategy19:47
SpeedEvilMaybe we can gain karma by killing him!19:47
* SpeedEvil sharpens his spoon.19:48
RST38hYes, and if you kill 5 Eldars in a row, you get 5000 bonus points19:48
RST38hLots of people read his site, and it is pretty informative site too19:48
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timelessanyone happen to be in krakow now?19:50
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timelessi'm about to fly to katowice and hope to arrive in krakow tonight19:50
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solariontimeless: I was about 2 months ago.19:53
timelesshow was it, what did you do, where did you stay19:54
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wazdtimeless: Eldar says that it's easy to crash the Microb :)20:05
RST38hwazd: His comments in LJ indicate that he has got intranet access.20:05
RST38hwazd: Which is rather amusing.20:06
jeremiahJaffa: Aha, that is interesting.20:06
jeremiahNot very nice of Mr. Eldar.20:06
AnunakinAny here knows how to change keyboard layout on Mer or Debian? my N810 has a portuguese layout20:06
jeremiahA bit of the old corporate blackmail20:06
lcukpenguinbait, i would/me offers curry n pitta breads to the hardworking legit devs around maemo20:06
timelesswazd: good for him, i've had relatively few crashes since i started my vacation20:09
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timelessvarious apps do crash, and the browser is getting some fixes20:10
timelessif he wants to be helpful, he can file a bug in and someone will look20:10
lcuktimeless, if deffo depends on how you are using it20:11
lcukwe all know ways to crash even ruggedised stable code20:12
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pupnik_dpkg-reconfigure console-data for debian Anunakin20:13
* timeless sighs20:13
timelessstupid epired domains20:13
lcukdidnt expire at some point20:13
lcukahh no, it was
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Macerthink i should download house or something20:17
Macerand ncis20:17
Macerthat ncis: LA shit is on the shitlist20:18
wazdMacer: already on it :P20:18
Maceri hate shows that cater to the west coast :)20:18
lcuksomeone said ncis was good20:18
Macerwell. more so.. cater to california20:18
Maceri wonder if they show a bunch of out of work used to be right people who have to migrate to nevada20:18
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Macerwow. goes like 130K/s20:19
Maceri guess the price to pay for a free office suite20:19
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* Macer waits for openoffice + cups for the n90020:21
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Sho_Macer: KOffice is there :-)20:25
Maceri thought it was only a viewer?20:25
Mekwell, you can run the full one as well, but that won't have a nice hildonized UI20:25
Macermeaning its options menus will be off screen :)20:26
Maceri remember running kde on my n800 and using koffice .. if i didn't have the bt kb it would have been unusable20:26
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MyrttiI've read too much Ender20:27
Myrttineed brain bleach20:27
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Mekand how do you expect OOo to be any better? at least for KOffice it is quite easy to make a new UI (as we've proven with the viewer...)20:28
RST38hJaffa: How do I vote for an app?20:28
MacerMek: never said that20:28
Macerjust figured it would be nice for sun to release an n900 openoffice ;)20:28
Macerwith cups support :)20:29
Macercan you run koffice in windows?20:31
Maceri know there is some kde on windows project but i never looked into it20:31
adeusit's part of the kde on windows package20:31
Macerwtf. that doesn't seem to work20:32
Maceror is it just me?20:32
adeusseems down20:32
Mekone of the main servers is down... (ironically the one hosted by nokia...)20:32
Maceri'd love to run the kde ui in windows20:33
Macerthat would be awesome20:33
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Macerah well. maybe i'll try again later20:34
Macermaybe they are running the server off an n900 :)20:34
Macerand the battery died20:34
JaffaRST38h:<app>/ click through to a version and use the thumb up/down20:35
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Macerah well.20:37
Macerlet me do stuff20:37
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RST38hJaffa: It does not light up. I managed to light it up twice by frantically reloading the page and clicking on the hand icons.20:37
RST38hJaffa: But in general it just does not work.20:37
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GeneralAntillesThe AJAX on thumbs really needs to be fixed.20:39
GeneralAntillesI don't want to watch a pinwheel pin when I click AJAX.20:39
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javispedro I call it the "elbow friendly GUI".20:40
* RST38h pissed off Eldar. Hehe.20:40
RST38hit's in Russian.20:41
lcukjavispedro, :) that looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet20:41
GeneralAntillesTranslation? :P20:41
lcukjavispedro, :) the screenshot you supplied is most splendid20:41
RST38hGeneral: Basically, I asked what firmware version he is using and what exact problems he is having20:42
javispedrolcuk: ta :)20:42
RST38hGeneral: He said 34.14 for the firmware, said the device DOES NOT crash and by "problems" he means missing portrait mode20:42
javispedrowazd: ping20:42
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RST38hGeneral: I told him that the portrait mode is actually supported by the OS and everybody can use it in his app20:43
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RST38hGeneral: Also said that the bookreader (he moaned about no portrait mode for bookreaders) could use portrait orientation since Maemo420:43
RST38hGeneral: He responded with a separate blog post about one screenful long, laying blame on maemo developers who are fanatics and can't accept the truth20:44
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RST38hGeneral: Every time you start asking him of specific problems he kinda jumps sideways, very funny20:45
lcukRST38h, you speak russian :O20:45
lcuki thought no1 spoke russian20:46
RST38hThat's true20:46
crashanddie_in russia20:46
RST38hI speak Albanian20:46
crashanddie_i heard they do20:46
RST38hAnd so is everyone else around here.20:46
GeneralAntillesRST38h, nice.20:46
* lcuk nods20:46
threshyeah, Albanian is pretty common here.20:46
crashanddie_Where's that? Albania?20:46
javispedroI wonder how can someone switch sides so easily. It costed me two full years to lose the palm fanboyism.20:46
lcukjavispedro, once one has got drnoksnes installed how do i use it20:47
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crashanddie_javispedro, it's called walletism20:47
RST38hjavis: He isn't taking sides, just trying to look smart20:47
javispedrolcuk: fremantle version has no pixel doubling thus mostly unusable :)20:47
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crashanddie_javispedro, whatever you pay for, you swear to love and treasure20:47
RST38hjavis: It works until you start pressing him with concrete questions, standard stuff20:47
threshcrashanddie_: no, Russia20:47
lcukjavispedro, even without pixeldoubling (your triangle WILL come in handy soon..) i can still do nothing20:47
lcukdo i have a console and compiler to make a "rom" thingy?20:48
crashanddie_thresh, i knew russian was quite popular in ukraine, didn't know about albanian20:48
* lcuk waves at crashanddie_ btw20:48
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* crashanddie_ waves back, btw20:48
RST38hjavis: I could probably brought him into total anal defense mode if I wanted to, few more polite questions and he is done for20:48
javispedrocrashanddie_: that's what I though. until I started cursing Palm even when my T|X was still alive. Criticising every move they made. But two years ago I would have blindly defended them.20:48
crashanddie_lcuk, sorry I haven't been around to help on the project20:49
crashanddie_lcuk, i'm fighting dearly to get a paycheck at the end of the month20:50
* frals is getting slightly annoyed with all the different logins required to contribute20:50
crashanddie_frals, SSO20:51
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lcukcrashanddie_, :) yeah20:52
lcuki know20:52
GeneralAntillesfrals, they're working on it.20:53
GeneralAntillesfrals, but unified logins for a dozen different web applications isn't easy.20:53
GeneralAntillesvBulletin, Midgard, Mediawiki, Bugzilla, GForge, etc.20:53
crashanddie_which is probably why there's a whole industry based around that very specific feature?20:53
GeneralAntillesfrals, if you want to help, though, ping X-Fade or danielwilms.20:53
pupnik_javispedro: dude!  you fixed fps counter?20:53
pupnik_where is changelog?20:54
pupnik_48-60fps in frogger20:54
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javispedropupnik_: nope :P20:54
pupnik_oh ok20:55
pupnik_it is faster20:55
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pupnik_or my n810 got faster20:55
javispedropupnik_: its not.20:55
javispedroin fact it's a bit slower.20:55
javispedroaround 1 fps20:55
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javispedrobloat (superfx, etc)20:56
pupnik_ok i do some tests20:56
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pupnik_superfx now working?20:56
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javispedropupnik_: yes! :)20:57
javispedrosaves and loads20:57
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javispedroand i think i squished most yoshi's island gfx glitches20:57
Summelinice! :)20:57
javispedrooh, Summely, hi!20:58
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javispedroSummeli: did you do any tests with the C interpreter?20:58
SummeliI could take some of your fixes too :)20:58
pupnik_oh good grief, i should have tested more games20:58
Summelijavispedro: nope, I didn't20:58
pupnik_SoM down to 15-1620:58
javispedropupnik_: version?20:58
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pupnik_lemme compare20:59
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javispedrodamn, so that's is not the snapshot load regression20:59
lcukc interpreter?20:59
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Mac101n900 looks sweet :o21:00
lcukMac101, indeed21:00
Mac101does maemo have a package manager?21:00
javispedrolcuk: yes, the original implementation of the cpu emulator in C.21:00
pupnik_javispedro: -h 3 is the proper notation for all hacks?21:00
lcukMac101, apt :P21:00
javispedropupnik_: -h yes iirc21:00
lcukjavispedro, interesting21:01
lcukhow clean is it21:01
Summelijavispedro: actualy i did run some tests with thate21:01
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lcukahhh - its not a "c language interpreter" its a "cpu interpreter in c"21:01
javispedroSummeli: pocketsnes or snes9x one?21:01
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Summelijavispedro: I had some issues with the asm optimizations, so I used the original c code at first21:01
lcukhello qwerty12_N810 !21:01
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Summelijavispedro: pocketsness stuff I guess...21:01
javispedroSummeli: have you any benchmarks?21:02
lcukmac, its got a nice clean gui front end21:02
Summelijavispedro: it's a lot worse21:02
javispedrothat's the problem. it's not a _lot_ worse here.21:02
Mac101if i try this in a vm will it give me a good idea of the os thatll be on the n900 or are nokia modding that alot (if anyone knows)?21:02
SummeliI have all that stuff still available under one compilation flag21:02
qwerty12_N810hey lcuk21:02
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Summelijavispedro: oh, that's strange21:03
javispedroSummeli: yeah. and worries me I may not be getting all the juice from the asm core.21:03
lcukMac101, the sdk is not a complete final product emulator - it is a limited stripped down API compliant subsystem21:03
lcukfor designing apps in21:03
Summelifor symbian the blit takes a lot of cpu power >:(21:03
lcukjavispedro, <pupnik_> drnoksnes getting 48-60 fps in frogger   (in #liqbase)21:04
Summeliso it's really easy to see21:04
javispedroSummeli: yeah. RenderTile16, DrawMode7Background, Mode5, you name it.21:04
Summelithat too :)21:04
javispedropotentially accelerated by a good 2d library. the psp does it.21:04
Summeliyeah, I know21:05
Mac101sorry sdk? i thought this was also a normal linux os?21:05
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* Mac101 doesnt know wat sdk is :s21:05
lcukthen go watch videos on youtube21:05
lcukdrool for a while21:06
pupnik_lcuk: i hadn't looked at frogger in a while, so that was a fairly silly observation21:06
lcukwalk to nokia store21:06
lcukhand over cash21:06
pupnik_making a benchie21:06
javispedropupnik_: thanks, will help with regressions.21:06
lcukjavispedro, could you add some stat uploading21:07
lcukto help monitor21:07
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javispedrobuf, orwellian stuff ;)21:07
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lcukmake it optional of course21:07
lcukbut at least you get stats you understand21:07
Mac101so is this an os i can install in a vm? o.O21:07
pupnik_i have 2009 08 12, 19, 23, 28 - i overwrote the one before last though i think21:08
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pupnik_oh, and 08-1021:08
javispedropupnik_: forget the older ones, i'm more interesting in the newer (post september) ones21:08
pupnik_ehm, where can i get them21:09
lcukthe repositories!21:09
javispedrostore them if they want21:09
pupnik_they have older versions?21:09
lcukevery accepted version21:09
pupnik_maybe a stupid question21:09
javispedroyes, you can pull them with apt-get install program=version21:09
pupnik_how can i see avail versions?21:09
javispedroapt-cache policy program afaik21:10
pupnik_maybe i just go to url... hey thanks lcuk21:10
javispedroyeah, or that :D21:10
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fiferboyThe first version of my pannable-font-selector widget is done, and implemented in countdown-home 0.5-821:11
fiferboy(soon to be available)21:11
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lcukexcellent fiferboy \o/21:12
aSIMULAtoro hello21:12
lcuklol @ slow reactions21:12
lcukhiya aSIMULAtor21:13
Mac101software dev kit! i caught up21:13
lcukexcellent Mac10121:13
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lcukhi lardman21:14
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lardmanhi lcuk21:14
lcukhows python goin21:14
lardmananyone know what I should use to sort out some automatic source code indentation?21:14
lcukim ready to throw it in the bin21:14
lardmangoing back to C now21:14
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lcukit doubles startup time and breaks tonnes of stuff21:14
lcuk:D hahahaha21:14
javispedroso, the full story is that when I did the cpu vs asm benchmarks, the asm was "handicapped" because of the snapshot load regression21:14
lardmanPython works ok, but I think I've worked out where the C was having troubles, so can now address those21:15
lardmanpython takes too long to start up21:15
pupnik_javis so 1.0.0, 1.0.2, 1.1.0 and 1.1.1 ?  or some other set?21:15
* lcuk might see how cfront works nowadays21:15
javispedroso now that I've repeated the test, yes, the C core is nearly 1/2 slower.21:15
pupnik_include 0.95?21:15
lcukmaybe bring it with a c99 compiler and preprocessor model21:15
lardmanwhat's the recommended C ide on Linux?21:15
lardmanor even just editor?21:15
javispedropupnik_: no, was mostly gui fixed iirc.21:15
lardmansomething that can sort out indentation would be nice21:15
lcuki like komodo21:16
lcukbut most editors do indentation21:16
lcukdo you need project management21:16
lcukor just editing21:16
Summelijavispedro: that's about same what I had21:16
lardmanit is the bacterial bite?21:16
lardmangedit doens't21:16
lcukkomodo is a nice editor21:16
lcuki made it look like the vb classic ide :$21:16
javispedroSummeli: ok. *relief* :)21:16
lcukand it has keyword completion21:17
lardmanI don't need the whole ide, just some syntax colouring and indentation control21:17
lcukwithin the file im in at least21:17
lcukz4chh really likes geany21:17
lcukthats quite simple and dev oriented21:17
javispedropupnik_: ok, 1.0.0 and 1.0.2 should be as speedy. 1.1.0 should be dead slow (the snapshot load bug I've been talking about), and 1.1.1 should be only a bit slower than 1.0.x series21:18
SummeliI think that there was similar results in the original gp2x forums too21:18
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pupnik_ok then i use 321:18
lardmanlcuk: can you hit an menu option "indent whole file" and it will sort out messy/non-standard indentation?21:19
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javispedropupnik_: i'd suggest 1.0.2 and 1.1.121:19
lcuki would love to do that21:19
lcuki havent seen a decent prettyprinter menu in ages tho21:19
lcukyou would have to have a look21:19
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* GeneralAntilles sighs at Freenode.21:24
GeneralAntillesIt's been close to two years and we still haven't heard anything from them.21:24
Mac101will the version of maemo that appears on the n900 be completely open source?21:24
GeneralAntillesI'm not gonna get to have my council cloak. :(21:24
SpeedEvilMac101: no.21:24
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Mac101will it be open source at all?21:24
lcukyeah i saw that a while ago21:25
lcukbut was not strong enough to compile lol21:25
SpeedEvilMac101: there are a number of closed source bits. However, mer - the allied open-source-only project will probably run on n900 at some point int he future21:25
SpeedEvilMac101: 'most' of it is poen-source - and you can run your own apps that you compile on the device if you so choose.21:25
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Mac101ah i see21:26
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Mac101so hrm anone know if all the apps will be free or there will be like an app store?21:26
SpeedEvilThere will be an app store.21:27
RST38h"Unsurprisingly, Gyms Don't Like iPod Nano's Video Recording Inside Locker Rooms"21:27
SpeedEvilBut also free apps21:27
* RST38h rotfls21:27
* javispedro forgot what he was supposed to do now21:28
SpeedEvilBoth apps that are free as in beer, free as in speech, and free as in willy.21:28
* qwerty12_N810 will pass on the free willies21:28
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Mac101are the apps currently in the download section all free/open source (and will remian that way when the fone hits)?21:32
GeneralAntillesJesus christ I hate Wikipedia so much.21:33
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SpeedEvilAs I understand it - there are few apps available for download, and at the moment, none charge21:33
GeneralAntillesCanola deleted without explanation.21:34
Mac101ok thx21:34
Mac101ah 1 more thing i could compile mplayer on this fone?21:34
lcukGeneralAntilles, its just an app21:36
lcukliqbase isnt even there21:36
* lcuk never panics21:37
RST38hjavis: You were supposed to add scaling to OpenTTD ;)))21:37
GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's not about the app, it's about the principle.21:37
GeneralAntillesLet's just delete shit people have put a lot of time and effort into without discussion.21:37
RST38hGeneral: by whom?21:37
GeneralAntillesSome random admin.21:37
lcuksome people have far too much time on their hands21:37
GeneralAntillesThey seem to love to storm in and piss all over my work then storm right back out.21:37
lcuki deleted half of liqbase for same reason21:37
RST38h[with thick Russian accent] ze bazaaaaaarrrrrr21:37
GeneralAntillesBunch of teapot dictators on wikipedia.21:37
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RST38hdon't forget the grammar nazis21:38
keesjif lcuk never panics it's because he is not a kernel21:38
RST38hdoes he dump core then?21:38
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* Stskeeps yawns21:39
GeneralAntillesThey're going to tell the group contact processing team that I asked about it.21:39
javispedroRST38h: aw, yes. thanks for remindign!21:39
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lcukkeesj, guru meditation21:40
unixSnobwhat's the best way to get from london to amsterdam? are there any small cheap airlines, like skyeurope or wizzair operating between london and amsterdam?21:41
GeneralAntillesOf course only admins can find that freaking discussion.21:41
javispedrowtf? they now delete deletion discussion pages?21:42
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* GeneralAntilles takes Wikipedia off his list of projects worth contributing to.21:43
javispedro(aw, sorry, should have copy&pasted the full link) :P21:43
javispedroPlease, IP, I ask you to show multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. Not nerds, blogs, documentation and forums.21:44
jaskaDelete Non-notable and Wikipedia isn't a software directory.  <- bullshit, it contains tons of articles about various pieces of software21:44
GeneralAntillesI'm tempted to list a dozen other software articles on there that are less notable than Canola21:45
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GeneralAntillesbut I know they'll just delete them.21:45
javispedroGeneralAntilles: everybody does them. then they ban you.21:45
GeneralAntillesAlready been baned once by one hyperactive admin.21:46
* SpeedEvil is sure he commented on that deletion review.21:46
SpeedEvilBut I can find no mention.21:46
javispedrofork! Sanepedia.21:46
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Sho_Macer: sorry, got distracted -- yeah, KOffice runs on Windows21:48
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GeneralAntillesI'm welcome to continue working on it in my sandbox.21:48
GeneralAntillesMyrtti, all done with wikipedia. ;)21:48
qwerty12_N810lol, thanks Stskeeps21:48
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Stskeepsnp, you deserve one21:49
GeneralAntillesI don't get why wikipedia is so delete-happy.21:49
Myrttithere are reasons for it...21:50
javispedrotheir rootfs is 99%? =)21:51
GeneralAntillesMyrtti, so far the only good wikipedia admins have done me is take all of the fun out of contributing.21:52
MyrttiGeneralAntilles: don't be mean, I used to be a wikipedia admin21:52
GeneralAntillesThat Umptious issue on Maemo left a sour taste in my mouth.21:52
MyrttiI'm fairly sure the canola article would not have been deleted from finnish wikipedia21:53
RST38hGeneral: Administering things is easier and more satisfying than content creation21:53
RST38hGeneral: that's why21:53
GeneralAntillesMyrtti, I didn't mean to imply that all admins are bad21:53
GeneralAntillesonly that my dealings with them have now driven me away from contributing to the project.21:54
RST38hCombined with the fact that on the Net nobody knows you are a dog or a masturbating teenager, you have got the perfect environment for pissing contests21:54
Myrttiand deletion is never decided by admins, if there's any implication that the article might actually have some merits21:54
RST38hGeneral: Think of their actions as marking their territory21:54
Myrttifrom my experience the most problematic people are the *wannabe* admins21:55
GeneralAntillesMyrtti, unfortunately the admin in question is seemingly dismissive of anybody he considers a "nerd".21:55
Myrttior people who base their actions to "this is correct, because meatball"21:55
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Myrttiwow, so little votes!21:57
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javispedroThe microSDHC card can be formated with a supported file system such as ext2, ext3, FAT16 and FAT32.[citation needed]22:00
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* javispedro considers pointing that to linux source tree.22:00
Myrttithat's just sad, that they've  deleted it based on so little opinions22:01
Myrttior votes22:02
GeneralAntillesNot impressed by the project.22:03
Myrttiwell, I've never been too active in the en. anyway22:05
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Myrttian example of a vote for deletion in fi. (about reply image macros)
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Myrtti(quite a difference)22:07
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GeneralAntillesIt's too bad, but they're only hurting themselves.22:08
GeneralAntillesGotta love it.22:09
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javispedrobah, politics22:13
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lardmanlcuk: astyle does the job very nicely, once you work out the myriad options22:22
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lcukyeah but those options mean your code doesnt look like my code22:24
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lardmanyou can probably produce a certain set of settings to exactly encapsulate your "style" ;)22:33
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javispedrolol, wp admin forgot to delete canola from
RST38hjust recreate the damn article22:39
Myrttiit'll be deleted as trash22:41
Myrttiwhat's to be done is to suggest a vote of inclusion or reverting22:41
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RST38hjust forget the whole thing22:44
RST38hleave petty dictators to themselves22:44
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lardmanif I want to check the start of a C string for some other string, would I look at the value of strstr?22:45
MyrttiI don't really care either way, just mentioned that it'll be deleted as trash as the previous vote for deletion decided it's not notable - if you want to fight that decision you need to suggest a vote for inclusion22:46
Myrttiwhich would probably be denied per not enough edits to be eligble for such suggestion...22:46
Myrttianyway, I'll just slink back into my troll hole22:47
GeneralAntillesThanks, Myrtti.22:47
RST38hlardman: I would do it by hand22:48
lardmanelement by element?22:49
lardmanI need to compare against 3 possible 3-char-long strings22:49
RST38hlardman: you can try casting to ints22:50
RST38hlardman: just be sure strings are aligned22:50
lardmanI want to do this, or something like this :) :22:50
lardmanif (strstr(data,"979")==data | strstr(data,"978")==data | strstr(data,"977")==data){22:50
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RST38hstrstr is a bad idea in this case22:51
RST38hactually... just compare characters. If it is only 3 chars, do char-by-char compare22:51
lardmanok, just looks messy ;)22:51
RST38hit is ok, it should be faster22:52
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keesjSpeedEvil: I looked a little more at I don't really see GPIO functionality22:52
keesjalso it looks like I need a usb-stick to boot from (1MB) is probably now enough for me(unless I use some rtos)22:53
lardmannot so bad:  if (data[0]==9 & data[1]==7 & (data[2]==7 | data[2]==8 | data[2]==9)){22:53
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wazdkonttori_: heya, around? :)22:53
wazdRST38h: you told that you can make theme .deb :P22:54
keesjlardman: don't you mean to use && ?22:54
wdehoogI am trying to add a new app to downloads but uploading a screen shot already takes 15 min. should I wait or retry?22:54
RST38hwazd: Yep22:54
lardmanah yeah, wrong lang22:54
wazdRST38h: what should I provide, .png?22:54
RST38hwazd: Send me the files, with description where each file goes22:54
wazdRST38h: wah!)22:55
keesjso also || perhaps22:55
RST38hwazd: On the device that is22:55
lardmankeesj: indeed :)22:55
wazdRST38h: maybe you can just run Theme Maker under linux? :)22:55
RST38hwazd: Java? No Java.22:55
wazdRST38h: r_az_r <- that's me :D22:56
RST38hwazd: Will Linux theme maker automatically create a deb?22:56
RST38hwazd: Ah, thought so =)22:56
wazdRST38h: Urho said yep22:56
RST38hall right, let me try istalling goddamn thing22:57
wazdRST38h: how do you know bout automatic checkbox? Are you sneaking something? :D22:57
RST38hwazd: Let us say I have seen a screenshot22:57
wazdEldar is really dumb22:58
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RST38hJust full of himself. I wonder how long we can keep this on until he goes into anal defense22:59
SpeedEvilkeesj: yes, it doesn't really have any GPIO - well - there are maybe 4-6 pins if you hack it. But you need external USB IO.22:59
SpeedEvilkeesj: or a companion chip22:59
SpeedEvilkeesj: it's really made for plugging a hard drive and a net connection into - which it works well for23:00 do I run this .jar crap?23:00
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SpeedEviljava -jar java.jar23:00
wazdRST38h: no, sreiously, I told him that I'm neither maemo team nor nokia developer and he keep saying this.23:00
jaskasuddenly im reminded of a certain disgusting star wars character23:00
qwerty12_N810RST38h: You'll be happy to know, since you don't like Java, that the official theme layout/tools use autotools :p23:01
RST38hfound it...the PC is screeching like it is gonna die23:01
RST38hwazd: He is now suspicious of everybody, suspects we are all sellouts23:02
RST38hwazd: That is normal, you should see ru_mac people for reference =)23:02
javispedrowhich you are! ;)23:02
RST38hwazd: Ok, I managed to run this abomination. What do I do next?23:02
wazdRST38h: the bad thing that he's quoting me as I'm a nokia dev23:03
wazdRST38h: great, wait a sec23:03
RST38hwazd: Ask him specific questions.23:03
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RST38hwazd: Very specific. He claims you are Nokia dev? Point him to your blog or something.23:03
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RST38hwazd: The moment he has to answer a specific question, he loses it.23:03
RST38hwazd: Can you read /msgs?23:06
* timeless eventually arrives in poland and clears border patrol23:06
qwerty12_N810Oh, good job on hiding the weed and cigs23:08
wazdRST38h: read what?) PMs?23:08
RST38hwazd: IRC /msgs23:08
RST38hOh damn you are using miranda23:08
wazdRST38h: dunno :)23:09
RST38hwazd: Check around your miranda, it should have a window or a tab with msgs23:09
fralswow, russian really is moonspeak23:09
lardmanwazd: or your client can go TU like mine and not show them23:09
wazdRST38h: Çàïðîñ CTCP VERSION îò RST38h23:09
wazdRST38h: is that it?23:10
threshfrals: ORLY?23:10
RST38hwazd: That is me checking your client version23:10
RST38hAnyone uses Miranda.IRC and knows how to make it show private /msgs ?23:10
frals*runs it thru googletranslate*23:11
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qwerty12_N810lardman: in that case, may I suggest upgrading? :)23:11
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Komzzpaа чего такого страшного в русском? :)23:11
threshвот и я не понимаю23:11
lardmanqwerty12_N810: nah, just the wonders of having to occasionally run under Windows ;)23:11
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lardmanwow, I can even see Russian in xchat, good skills23:12
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* RST38h can't, this xterm does not support it23:12
RST38hFound it?23:12
wazdyep :)23:13
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qwerty12_N810RST38h: Don't you get depressed looking at ircII and its über boring looks? :)23:14
RST38hqwerty: No, I have lots other things to look at my desktop =)23:14
RST38hqwery: Besides, complicated clients confuse me23:14
qwerty12_N810Put it this way: If I was IRCing into the early morning, I would not use ircII :)23:15
RST38hwazd: What fonts should I use for it?23:15
RST38hqwerty: I am an old fart used to VT10023:16
wazdRST38h: oh, I think it will work without fonts23:16
wazdRST38h: but you have to attach icons23:16
RST38hwazd: ThemeMaker stuck at 1%23:18
RST38his it normal?23:18
wazdRST38h: oh23:18
wazdRST38h: no23:18
igagisdoes any one want to beta-test new release of theremin app?23:18
wazdRST38h: have you attached icons and wallpaper?23:19
RST38hNo, it says they are optional23:19
RST38hAnd I have not got any from you23:19
wazdRST38h: no they are not :D23:19
RST38hBTW, /msg me your email for inclusion23:19
wazdRST38h: wallpaper file is in Theme Maker folder23:19
wazdigagis: I want! :D23:19
igagiswazd: version 1.4 is in extras-devel, you are welcome to install it23:20
wazdigagis: I forgot, weren't you the guy who rocked with Theremin in Spb? :)23:20
igagiswazd: yes, it is me23:20
wazdigagis: oh, great, nice to see you here :)23:20
wazdigagis: I was right after you in this session :)23:21
igagiswazd: nice to see you too, I remember your impressive talk about ui :-)23:21
igagiswazd: yes, I remember23:21
RST38hJeez, this thememaker thing is buggy...23:21
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RST38hok it is running23:23
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wazdRST38h: now I guess you can test it in the SDK23:28
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GeneralAntilles"Canonical's Moblin Netbook Remix"23:31
Stskeepsnot surprised23:32
Robot101canonical is one of the moblin vendors23:32
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GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping?23:37
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Sorry, it'll have to wait until tomorrow. Just going to sleep ;)23:37
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GeneralAntillesSpam. . . .23:37
qwerty12_N810Everyone knows it was placed there by X-Fade who is getting paid for it and wants it to get enough views before he has to remove it in the morning ;)23:39
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X-FadeShouldn't we just remove this page?23:40
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RST38hdpkg-deb: Mach-O executable i38623:42
* RST38h facepalms23:42
RST38hwazd: Send it to konttori, ask HIM to do it.23:43
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, probably.23:43
GeneralAntillesWe need to do a content sprint before the Summit. . .23:43
X-FadeSetting rights to user only.23:43
RST38hwazd: Tell him he is a hopeless Java lover and a mac nut.23:43
penguinbaitshutdown -h now23:43
javispedroshutdown: cannot shutdown23:44
RST38hwazd: Ask him to learn a real programming language and get himself a real computer, like DEC Alpha or HP Apollo or sometihing...23:44
penguinbaityup I can23:44
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* RST38h cackles23:44
javispedroRST38h: why? AppleScript is so much better.23:44
RST38hjavispedro: Except that his binaries do not run on plain x86 Ubuntu =)23:44
javispedrobut but but but but Mach-O binaries should just work!23:45
RST38hIn Steve Jobs bowels they do23:45
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pupnik i saw some disblo updates today.  thanks23:47
wazdRST38h: well, thanks for trying anyway :)23:47
RST38hwazd: I can try doing it by hand, actually23:47
RST38hwazd: But it will take a bit more time, so tomorrow probably23:47
javispedronot only that, but you can get your ubuntu native dpkg-deb ?23:47
wazdRST38h: don't waste your time :)23:47
RST38hit's ok, I am curious.23:48
pupnikupgrade ssh and xchat23:48
RST38hjavispedro: You mean it is not his proggy?23:48
javispedroRST38h: ah, dunno if he modified it. but dpkg-deb is a debian app at least.23:49
RST38hlet me see...23:49
RST38hjavispedro: Cannot run program "./dpkg-deb"23:50
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* RST38h facepalms with both hands now23:50
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* javispedro dunnos and suggests a full java dissassembly done by a certified pro java developer23:52
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RST38hwazd: DONE IT23:52
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, don't tell me, you happen to know one who's available? :P23:53
wazdRST38h: nowai :)23:53
RST38hYes, please tell me, I will go and exterminate that guy23:53
javispedroGeneralAntilles: I happen to know enough of them to fill a few full-sized trucks ;)23:53
RST38hjavispedro: intact or hashed?23:54
javispedroin working condition.23:54
qwerty12_N810...then one is free to blow up said trucks!23:54
javispedrobut won't anybody think of the java developers!!! ;)23:55
Myrttisince I've saturated almost every other communication media with my rants, WHY O WHYYYYY Panucci is such a huge heap of steaming shit on Diablo?23:56
qwerty12_N810You haven't used the Konami Code23:56
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GeneralAntillesMyrtti, not much incentive to fix Diablo stuff anymore. :(23:56
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RST38hwazd: check mail23:57
Myrttiif it's as big pile of shit in Fremantle, I'll be demanding MY MONEY BACK!23:57
RST38hGeneral: Bigger screen.23:57
RST38hqwerty: You mean Konami assembly code? Used it. =)23:58
GeneralAntillesMyrtti, GPLv4 should come with a money-back guarantee.23:58
qwerty12_N810RST38h: Now try using it in Panucci, a Python program :p23:59
MyrttiGeneralAntilles: INDEED!23:59
RST38hPython. Better than Java.23:59
Myrttior atleast a promise of compensation for pain and mental suffering23:59

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