| javispedro | fixed in fremantle? bah, outdated | 00:00 |
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| javispedro | fixed in harmattan is the new cool | 00:00 |
| penguinbait | I thought it was shipped with pandora? | 00:00 |
| lcuk | delivered by flying car no less | 00:00 |
| javispedro | "shipped wth the pandora" :D | 00:00 |
| lcuk | with duke nukem forever preinstalled | 00:00 |
| penguinbait | lol | 00:00 |
| javispedro | that's a good answer for bug 7000 | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | ok im goin recording a short video | 00:01 |
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| penguinbait | of? | 00:02 |
| lcuk | my we are maemo text :) | 00:02 |
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| penguinbait | porn, election, comedy | 00:02 |
| lcuk | people have requested a recital | 00:02 |
| lcuk | god knows how its gonna sound | 00:02 |
| javispedro | penguinbait: a mix of all that | 00:02 |
| lcuk | but it had rolled round my head for long enough | 00:03 |
| penguinbait | heh | 00:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | People worried about the N900's resistive screen being more prone to earlobe-hangups than the iPhone | 00:06 |
| coldboot | Is there a way to add WLAN certificates at the command-line? | 00:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk, what new low will you stoop to today? | 00:06 |
| javispedro | pft. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | the phone on the device is amazing | 00:06 |
| lcuk | there used to be a black hole where i couldnt talk near the office | 00:07 |
| lcuk | (the only place i could huddle out of the wind..) | 00:07 |
| lcuk | it works nicely with n900! | 00:07 |
| lcuk | also means higher phone bills tho | 00:07 |
| lcuk | cos i cant get out of a call by complaining its cold | 00:07 |
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| Firebird | wonder if vBulletin has a plugin to filter topics with multiple question marks | 00:13 |
| ArSa | yes, it's called greasemonkey :P | 00:15 |
| * Firebird sticks a fork in ArSa | 00:16 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Christ, they're PMing me about OTG now. | 00:20 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: aha, someone has discovered your important role in the n900 pcb design | 00:21 |
| lcuk | lol | 00:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | This guy can go fuck himself. | 00:21 |
| lardman | evening chaps | 00:21 |
| RST38h | KILL THEM ALL BEFORE THEY GET YOU | 00:21 |
| RST38h | DESTROY DESTROY | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | hi lardman | 00:21 |
| * lardman wonders if he can escape unnoticed... | 00:22 | |
| javispedro | wb lardman | 00:22 |
| lcuk | too late | 00:22 |
| javispedro | no. | 00:22 |
| lardman | :) | 00:22 |
| * RST38h notices lardman and nails him to the door | 00:22 | |
| lardman | ouch! | 00:22 |
| lardman | think Worms | 00:23 |
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| RST38h | Shit, I am tired :( | 00:24 |
| lardman | argh, really annoying, need to reply to someone but can't remember where I stashed the email | 00:24 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Could you do something small for me? | 00:24 |
| lardman | RST38h: all that playing with nail guns I bet! | 00:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's interesting that Ford is advertising turbo on performance sedans as a "green" feature. | 00:25 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, sure | 00:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | "ecoboost" | 00:25 |
| lardman | turbocharging is more economical | 00:25 |
| lardman | than a larger displacement non-turbo engine | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, sure, larger engine-like performance with small engine economy most of the time. | 00:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | But these are 6-cylinder performance sedans. | 00:26 |
| lardman | does the small print say "more economical than the V12 we would otherwise have had to fit"? ;) | 00:26 |
| RST38h | you want green, buy Civic VX | 00:27 |
| * ShadowJK just upgraded to a newer car | 00:27 | |
| RST38h | the one they killed because it "lacked the dynamics" | 00:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, now we're onto the personal attacks. | 00:30 |
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| Stskeeps | "OTG or i kill your cat!" | 00:32 |
| * GeneralAntilles is really goddamn tired of Talk. | 00:33 | |
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| javispedro | *yawn* | 00:45 |
| javispedro | so, where is the blood on tmo? | 00:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | In my PM box at the moment. | 00:46 |
| javispedro | ah, well. | 00:46 |
| javispedro | a public sacrifice will be fine too. maemo gods are hungry. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | well they are sacrificing themselves at his alter | 00:47 |
| lcuk | his just not happy at so many PMs | 00:47 |
| lcuk | hes | 00:47 |
| RST38h | Blood? Where? Where's blood? | 00:48 |
| * lcuk really should give up spelling and get back to code | 00:48 | |
| javispedro | lcuk: was dis spelink u sai? | 00:48 |
| javispedro | i not qnow any spelink | 00:49 |
| lcuk | eye wantid tu just maek it wurk | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | and shockingly, it looks just the same as normal irc | 00:49 |
| javispedro | oh | 00:49 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:49 |
| RST38h | any geniuses able to analyze strace output? | 00:49 |
| javispedro | to extract what? | 00:50 |
| RST38h | to extract the difference | 00:50 |
| RST38h | work/no-work | 00:50 |
| sp3000 | meh, don't spell yourself, just do what pro haxors do, copy-paste something similar to what you want to say and randomly remove half of the things you don't understand | 00:50 |
| lardman | lol @ pandora site | 00:50 |
| * javispedro smells hardwork and flees ;) | 00:50 | |
| * sp3000 has code-review-itis | 00:50 | |
| * lardman fires up his N800 | 00:52 | |
| javispedro | so, how are your poetry skills lcuk? the populace will soon require you to sing a soon or else die at the god's altar | 00:52 |
| RST38h | javis: You are witholding facts | 00:52 |
| RST38h | javis: The facts are that not dying is not really an option =) | 00:53 |
| javispedro | hah, poor lcuk :) | 00:53 |
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| javispedro | #define SIZEOF_NULLCHAR sizeof('\0') | 00:54 |
| RST38h | Ok, BeyondCompare analyzed strace output for me | 00:55 |
| RST38h | Good proggy, won't get uninstalled today | 00:55 |
| javispedro | heh. | 00:55 |
| javispedro | actually, not a bad idea | 00:55 |
| javispedro | usually you'll disable heap randomization before getting the traces | 00:55 |
| javispedro | and just do manual diff | 00:55 |
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| javispedro | s/manual// | 00:56 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: and just do diff | 00:56 |
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| * lcuk looks at python curiously | 00:57 | |
| javispedro | lcuk: no, you have to sing a song. singing python doesn't count. | 00:58 |
| javispedro | ;P | 00:58 |
| * lcuk gulps | 00:59 | |
| lcuk | at what he might start here | 00:59 |
| lcuk | python is so slow tho | 00:59 |
| * lcuk wants the future now! | 00:59 | |
| javispedro | that's what you get. the question is the usual programmer time vs cpu time cost. | 01:00 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i deffo need a new backend | 01:00 |
| lardman | anyone know what the gstreamer trick is to flip the N800 video? | 01:00 |
| javispedro | a backend is not something I'd write in python :P | 01:00 |
| lcuk | i will have to use (spit) some kind of 1:1 surface that may not be yuv eventually | 01:00 |
| lardman | I wonder if the weather is changing, my shoulders hurt | 01:01 |
| Vulcanis | is there any easy way to make new osk layouts for the n8x0? I'd kinda like to make it so that - is there without having to shift. | 01:01 |
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| javispedro | heh. Windows CE 6 R3 gets both Flash and Silverlight. | 01:01 |
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| javispedro | from the company that didn't like shipping every pack of 6 cans of coca cola with one pepsi cola | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | curious | 01:02 |
| lcuk | # /home/svn/libliqbase-0.3/include/liqcell.h: 119 | 01:02 |
| lcuk | if hasattr(_libs['liqbase'], 'liqcell_quickcreatevis'): | 01:02 |
| lcuk | liqcell_quickcreatevis = _libs['liqbase'].liqcell_quickcreatevis | 01:02 |
| lcuk | liqcell_quickcreatevis.restype = POINTER(liqcell) | 01:02 |
| lcuk | liqcell_quickcreatevis.argtypes = [String, String, c_int, c_int, c_int, c_int] | 01:02 |
| lcuk | i wonder if it will work.. | 01:03 |
| javispedro | swig? | 01:03 |
| lcuk | ctypesgen | 01:03 |
| lcuk | its dragged in all the defines for x11 and stuff tho | 01:04 |
| javispedro | looks good | 01:04 |
| lcuk | its 186kb | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | so you're wrapping the liqbase api in a python mod? | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | just looking at feasibility | 01:04 |
| lardman | for reference, to filp the video on the N800, use the gconfv4l2src source | 01:04 |
| lcuk | i really want to make a liqbase widget in .py | 01:05 |
| lcuk | thats gonna be harder tho | 01:05 |
| javispedro | yeah | 01:05 |
| lardman | s/filip/flip/ | 01:05 |
| lcuk | cos they are .so binaries | 01:05 |
| lardman | oh dear | 01:05 |
| javispedro | it's feasible for sure | 01:05 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:05 |
| lcuk | same thing that hildon does | 01:05 |
| javispedro | and a good idea I think | 01:05 |
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| * lcuk nods | 01:06 | |
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| frals | incase you havent seen this one before, i found it pretty funny: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary?utm_source=embedded_video | 01:13 |
| *** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead" | 01:14 | |
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| lardman | ~lart bloody Nautilus for crashing all the time when using sftp | 01:16 |
| * infobot gives bloody Nautilus a good seeing to for crashing all the time when using sftp | 01:16 | |
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| RST38h | lardman: Real geeks scp from command line! =) | 01:25 |
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| * RST38h will sit this bug out | 01:26 | |
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| lardman | yeah I know | 01:26 |
| lardman | :) | 01:26 |
| johnsq | lardman: rsync -e ssh | 01:27 |
| RST38h | it has got its weirdness, but I have got patience, flasher, and strace | 01:28 |
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| lardman | can anyone remember if the N800 camera data starts with the Y or the U/V? | 01:28 |
| RST38h | oh | 01:28 |
| lcuk | unsigned long p= *UYVY++; | 01:29 |
| lcuk | lardman, its that weird format | 01:29 |
| lardman | yeah | 01:29 |
| lcuk | / ok a 32bit long contains UYVY | 01:30 |
| lcuk | unsigned long * UYVY = (unsigned long *)data; | 01:30 |
| lardman | the data is in bytes though | 01:30 |
| lardman | is the first byte a Y or a U/V? | 01:31 |
| lcuk | U | 01:31 |
| lcuk | Y | 01:31 |
| lcuk | V | 01:31 |
| lcuk | Y | 01:31 |
| lardman | ok | 01:31 |
| Proteous | a/s/l | 01:31 |
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| lardman | in a slice I can do this: var(::2) to get every other value, but I don't think I can do this can I? var(1::2) | 01:35 |
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| lardman | I'm getting this error: TypeError: sequence index must be integer, not 'slice' | 01:38 |
| lardman | on this line of code: gbuffer = buffer[1:len(buffer):2] | 01:38 |
| lardman | any ideas? | 01:38 |
| lardman | buffer is a string | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | lardman, im stressin over python too nwo! | 01:39 |
| lcuk | now | 01:39 |
| javispedro | lardman: | 01:39 |
| lcuk | for different reason lol | 01:39 |
| javispedro | erm | 01:39 |
| javispedro | lardman: i think python does not support that operation on strings | 01:40 |
| lardman | hmm, ok | 01:40 |
| javispedro | at least on older versions iirc | 01:40 |
| lardman | what could I turn it into then? | 01:40 |
| javispedro | erm | 01:40 |
| javispedro | wait | 01:40 |
| javispedro | python2.5 on my pc supports it | 01:40 |
| lardman | http://www.python.org/doc/2.3.5/whatsnew/section-slices.html | 01:40 |
| lardman | apparently they should support it | 01:41 |
| lardman | as I'm using 2.5.x | 01:41 |
| javispedro | note "However, Python's built-in list, tuple, and string sequence types have never supported this feature, raising a TypeError if you tried it. Michael Hudson contributed a patch to fix this shortcoming. " | 01:41 |
| javispedro | but yes, they work here in 2.5 | 01:41 |
| javispedro | "abcdefghijk"[2:8:2] 'ceg' | 01:41 |
| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I knew OTG was just going to end up a hornet's nest even though most people would never end up using it anyways. | 01:41 |
| lardman | also works for me | 01:42 |
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| javispedro | that's weird. maybe buffer is not a string? | 01:42 |
| lardman | yeah, just checking that one | 01:42 |
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| lardman | is returned from gstreamer | 01:43 |
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| javispedro | well, going to bed. see you | 01:43 |
| lardman | thought I'd converted it though | 01:43 |
| lardman | night javispedro | 01:43 |
| javispedro | gst has gstbuffer | 01:43 |
| javispedro | gnite | 01:43 |
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| felipec | yay! I just got vorbis decoder using less than 10% of the CPU on the N900 | 02:10 |
| felipec | that's as good as the mp3 one... maybe a bit better | 02:10 |
| lardman | good stuff | 02:11 |
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| lardman | using neon? | 02:11 |
| felipec | lardman: yeap... FFmpeg: http://github.com/felipec/gst-av | 02:12 |
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| felipec | they just added a few NEON optimizations that help vorbis | 02:12 |
| lardman | should make people happy anyway :) | 02:13 |
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| felipec | lardman: well, I am :) | 02:14 |
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| lardman | that's the most important of course :) | 02:15 |
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| pupnik_ | wow woglinde's qtnx feels 20 times faster thzan vnc | 02:20 |
| pupnik_ | but all my bitmaps nare busted, with nthese diagonol lines of "data" across them. | 02:21 |
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| lardman | anyone know what happens to printfs in C code that makes up a Python extension? | 02:25 |
| lardman | do they get eaten, or should they be displayed? | 02:25 |
| lcuk | liqbase just showed a load of console as normal | 02:26 |
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| lardman | hmm, I don't see anything at all | 02:27 |
| lcuk | lardman, if you are running your .py from console it should just show i think | 02:27 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> # ./liqbase_test.py | 02:27 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 | 02:27 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 ######################################################## | 02:27 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 | 02:27 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 Welcome to pyliqbase ver 0.1 | 02:27 |
| lardman | that's from the C code then? | 02:27 |
| lcuk | all that is within the liqapp_init() func | 02:27 |
| lcuk | the py just calls it | 02:28 |
| lardman | using plain printf, or fprintf(stdout), etc? | 02:28 |
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| lcuk | printf("%s ",buf); | 02:29 |
| lcuk | vprintf(logentry, arg); | 02:29 |
| lcuk | time part is the printf | 02:29 |
| lcuk | vprintf is the main debug line | 02:29 |
| lardman | ok | 02:29 |
| lcuk | it does a fflush(stdout); | 02:29 |
| lardman | thanks | 02:29 |
| lcuk | after | 02:29 |
| lardman | oh I'm a muppet | 02:31 |
| lardman | it was outputting, just thought the message was created by the python code | 02:32 |
| lardman | doh! | 02:32 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:34 |
| lardman | even worse to come | 02:34 |
| lardman | just realised that I'd left in a debugging return statement | 02:35 |
| lardman | was wondering why the bloody thing wasn't working! | 02:35 |
| lardman | never got run! | 02:35 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:35 |
| lcuk | classy! | 02:35 |
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| felipec | anybody knows a place where I can download a bunch free vorbis clips? | 02:41 |
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| lardman | nah, I had real troubles finding anything very much | 02:43 |
| lardman | wikipedia perhaps? | 02:43 |
| dropcode | can anybody here help me install python purple in redhat? | 02:44 |
| lardman | ~lart libdmtx | 02:44 |
| * infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, libdmtx, this won't hurt a bit...." | 02:44 | |
| felipec | hmm, there was this sxsw 2009 that was free, but they're MP3s :( | 02:45 |
| bbigras | felipec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound/list | 02:46 |
| lardman | http://www.fsf.org/resources/formats/playogg/sites | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's all a sham! | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Christ | 02:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | How do you get that paranoid? | 02:50 |
| lardman | hmm, stuck in dmtxDecodeCreate() | 02:51 |
| lardman | bed time for me, cu all tomorrow | 02:51 |
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| felipec | bbigras: not bad :) | 02:51 |
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| bbigras | yes, I think I saw that link today in an article on lifehacker about productivity at work with music | 02:53 |
| bbigras | http://lifehacker.com/5365012/the-best-sounds-for-getting-work-done | 02:54 |
| pupnik_ | Corrupt /garbled bitmaps in qtnx fixed by switching from png to jpg compression | 02:54 |
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| pupnik_ | freenx is so much faster than vnc over wlan it isnt even funny | 02:57 |
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| zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Puppet! lol | 02:58 |
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| pupnik_ | woglinde - also german umlauts working here, but i cannot get any fn+ keys to work, so shell is not usable atm | 02:59 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 03:02 | |
| GeneralAntilles | All of the outlets in this apartment are shot. | 03:03 |
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| pupnik_ | call an electrician and bill the landlord | 03:04 |
| pupnik_ | after first notifying landlord | 03:04 |
| pupnik_ | and giving xx hours to fox | 03:04 |
| pupnik_ | fix | 03:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll probably just get the landlord to give me some receptacles and do it myself. | 03:07 |
| Mousey | so whats up, nokia gonna buy palm or what? | 03:10 |
| Mousey | lol | 03:10 |
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| ljp | maybe apple | 03:10 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: why? | 03:13 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, saves me having to schedule maintenance or an electrician. | 03:14 |
| luke-jr | safer and cheaper to have the landlord pay for a pro to do it | 03:14 |
| bobbyd | has anyone got OpenGL ES examples working under the sdk? | 03:14 |
| bobbyd | I'm following this: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES | 03:14 |
| bobbyd | but it seems that libgles2-dev doesn't exist though | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, I'm not retarded. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm perfectly capable of installing a 15-amp receptacle. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's something I've done dozens of times before. | 03:16 |
| zerojay | I, however, am not. | 03:16 |
| zerojay | Or more like... I just have the worst luck with anything electrical. | 03:16 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: are you implying that anyone who has never installed a power outlet is retarded? | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, like you're implying that I'm incompetent? :) | 03:17 |
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| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: personally, even if I was a pro at it myself, I'd still hire a friend to do it so the landlord pays for the repairs | 03:18 |
| bobbyd | is this a maemo development channel? or is there another channel for developers? | 03:18 |
| lcuk | we are maemo | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: you mean Maemo developers, or developers who want their application to run on Maemo? | 03:18 |
| zerojay | bobbyd: This is the main one. | 03:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, good for you, I prefer doing things myself. | 03:19 |
| bobbyd | luke-jr: I mean a channel for people developing applications that run on Maemo | 03:19 |
| lcuk | hey zerojay | 03:19 |
| zerojay | lcuk: Yo. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, just ask | 03:19 |
| zerojay | bobbyd: I don't think there are too many people here that are in a better position than you are though.... at least as far as I know. | 03:19 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: well I did, but people are talking about electrical sockets :) | 03:20 |
| bobbyd | ok | 03:20 |
| bobbyd | I'll keep at it | 03:20 |
| lcuk | ahhh right bobbyd | 03:20 |
| lcuk | yes | 03:20 |
| zerojay | OpenGL-ES is one of those things that I don't think many people here have attempted to play with yet. | 03:20 |
| bobbyd | ok | 03:21 |
| Firebird | I have, but EGL fails to open in the SDK :/ | 03:21 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that's the big stumbling block. | 03:21 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31313 | 03:21 |
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| lcuk | read that thread | 03:21 |
| bobbyd | well that's not much good then :) | 03:21 |
| lcuk | :) | 03:21 |
| bobbyd | ok | 03:21 |
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| dropcode | is it possible to get python purple running in redhat? or am I just chasing my tail | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | dropcode: you're certainly in the wrong channel for that | 03:28 |
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| Firebird | mmm | 03:32 |
| zerojay | Who tripped over the wire again? | 03:33 |
| * zerojay sighs. | 03:33 | |
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| pupnik_ | another idea: nack for mer to allow using 810 kbd to enter functopn keas - F1-F10 at least, with some combo-toggle, e.g. ctrl+fn, then press number for function key | 03:35 |
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| bobbyd | lcuk: do you know which packages the files that are mentioned in that thread are in? | 03:53 |
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| bobbyd | /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so etc | 03:53 |
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| lcuk | no | 03:54 |
| bobbyd | ok, the egl stuff seems to be there already | 03:55 |
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| bobbyd | umm, how do I transfer things into the scratchbox environment? :) | 03:57 |
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| bobbyd | ok, got it :) | 03:57 |
| dropcode | luke-jr: isn't python purple a maemo project? | 03:59 |
| zerojay | Never heard of it. | 04:01 |
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| dropcode | https://garage.maemo.org/svn/carman/trunk/python-purple/ | 04:03 |
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| zerojay | I'd click on it if I could. | 04:05 |
| zerojay | But my mouse is acting like a retard right now. | 04:05 |
| b-man^ | heh. | 04:05 |
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| luke-jr | zerojay: no loss, the link is bad | 04:16 |
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| xnt14 | hello world | 04:31 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:31 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 04:31 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 04:32 |
| xnt14 | oh :P | 04:32 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@pool-98-108-31-110.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 50m 20s ago, saying: 'http://donmak.deviantart.com/art/Fat-Donald-32704833 <<this is scary 0.o'. | 04:32 |
| xnt14 | well, im on my server right now, ill switch to my xps | 04:32 |
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| xnt14[server] | hmm | 04:32 |
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| pupnik_ | let us consider whether to implement a sandbox environment for 3rd party maemo5 apps | 05:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | how is user/root seperated in maemo5? | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | particularly network-enabled apps that will be vulnerable to exploits | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | the only thing that comes to mind offhand is some form of selinux | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | afaok like normal linux | 05:04 |
| pupnik_ | afaik | 05:05 |
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| pupnik_ | there are different classes of protection, too involved for irc prhaps | 05:05 |
| pupnik_ | but the fact that the device integrates camers, gps, microphonne, phone... | 05:05 |
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| pupnik_ | i am probably just advertising my ignorance of prior discussions on the subject | 05:08 |
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| GAN800 | Cheap Chinese power supplies. | 05:17 |
| GAN800 | 8v != 12v | 05:17 |
| toggles_w | lol, you sure? from a chinese powerplant it may be.. | 05:19 |
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| Texrat | anyone on? | 06:02 |
| Texrat | arg | 06:02 |
| * Texrat slaps zerojay around a bit with a large trout | 06:02 | |
| luke-jr | argv[0] | 06:02 |
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| Texrat | always so quiet lately... | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | Texrat: we play games in #anime | 06:03 |
| Texrat | ahhh | 06:03 |
| Texrat | young whippersnappers | 06:03 |
| Texrat | :p | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | no | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | young whippersnappers play 3D games not on IRC | 06:03 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:03 |
| Texrat | ok | 06:03 |
| Texrat | heck I'm old and I play 3d FPS | 06:04 |
| Texrat | love to blow stuff up | 06:04 |
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| zerojay | Texrat: Sorry, I'm here. | 06:04 |
| Texrat | heh | 06:04 |
| Texrat | hey jay yet another job showed up at Nokia | 06:04 |
| Texrat | I've applied for 3 lately | 06:04 |
| Texrat | man I wanna get back | 06:05 |
| zerojay | What are they? | 06:05 |
| Texrat | current job cannot suck more... but it beats unemployment | 06:05 |
| Texrat | 2 are logistics coordinator/analyst, one is PDM specialist | 06:05 |
| Texrat | the latter is global like my old job | 06:05 |
| zerojay | pdm? | 06:06 |
| Texrat | which would mean travel again! :) | 06:06 |
| Texrat | product data management... what i sued to do for Stanley tools | 06:06 |
| Texrat | used* | 06:06 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:06 |
| Texrat | trying not to get my hopes up | 06:06 |
| zerojay | Good shit, man. | 06:07 |
| Texrat | man I hope | 06:07 |
| Texrat | they've been hiring a lot lately | 06:07 |
| Texrat | mostly software | 06:07 |
| Texrat | but posted a listing for mergers/acquisitions analyst today ;) | 06:08 |
| Texrat | time to buy more startups i guess | 06:08 |
| Texrat | you ready for the trip, roomie? | 06:08 |
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| zerojay | No... I'm not going to be able to go. | 06:09 |
| Texrat | what??????????????? | 06:09 |
| Texrat | noooo | 06:10 |
| zerojay | Combination passport office fuckup + work assignments being pushed up... I'm screwed both ways. :/ | 06:10 |
| Texrat | what happened???? | 06:10 |
| Texrat | aw geez... wahh | 06:10 |
| Jason404 | I've just been looking at the apps on maemo.org. While there are not that many of them, they look generally high quality and useful. Once the N900 comes out, is the app store going to be on Ovi? As the Symbian apps on Ovi look like crapware in comparison | 06:10 |
| zerojay | I'm mega pissed. | 06:10 |
| Texrat | dude, i am pissed for you | 06:10 |
| Texrat | :( | 06:10 |
| Texrat | I was lookign forward to us hanging out | 06:10 |
| zerojay | Jason404: There's a built-in app manager that will allow you to install free software and other things from external partners. That will be there from the start. An Ovi store will be coming in the future. | 06:11 |
| Texrat | you were the only one willing to put up with me...sigh | 06:11 |
| Jason404 | zerojay: ic | 06:11 |
| zerojay | Texrat: So was I. I've never been to Europe before... and ugh. | 06:11 |
| Texrat | oh dude | 06:11 |
| Texrat | been to Paris and Helsinki-- you would LOVE helsinki | 06:12 |
| zerojay | I already know I would. | 06:12 |
| Texrat | great town | 06:12 |
| zerojay | All my favorite music comes from the area it seems. lol | 06:12 |
| Texrat | hell I even loved going in winter | 06:12 |
| Texrat | ah, metal man | 06:12 |
| Texrat | shit... now I'm bummed about you not going | 06:13 |
| zerojay | Well... not so much straight metal as much as some of the rock but close enough. | 06:13 |
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| Texrat | gotcha | 06:13 |
| Texrat | I gotta sublet my room now | 06:13 |
| zerojay | Believe me, it's *killing* me that I can't be there. My boss was borderline scared to ask me to stay. | 06:14 |
| Texrat | crap, I could get stuck with one of those guys who voted "shut up and stay home" | 06:14 |
| zerojay | Hahaha. | 06:14 |
| Texrat | man, I'm gonna pray hard soemthing breaks loose | 06:14 |
| zerojay | You'll find someone decent... sorry I didn't let you know sooner. | 06:14 |
| Texrat | it's cool | 06:14 |
| Texrat | I'm gonna cry when I delete your name from the room | 06:14 |
| zerojay | lol.. | 06:15 |
| Texrat | dude, I'm so sorry | 06:15 |
| Texrat | hey-- I'll bow out of the council race, tell them to give you my 7 votes, and then you'll get travel options for that | 06:16 |
| zerojay | Give Jussi a big sloppy kiss for me. lol | 06:16 |
| Texrat | ick | 06:16 |
| zerojay | Summit just was coming up at a bad time for me anyways. | 06:16 |
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| zerojay | Not only am I trying to make this major milestone for a two year project, I'm supposed to be moving from Quebec City to Halifax between now and November to open a new office. | 06:17 |
| Jason404 | anybody used Maemopad+ here? | 06:17 |
| zerojay | Jason404: A few times, sure. | 06:17 |
| Jason404 | zerojay: can it convert handwriting to text? | 06:18 |
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| Jason404 | zerojay: and can you export? Is there anyway I could export to MS OneNote? | 06:18 |
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| Jason404 | I hope some of these apps are updated to run in portrait mode as an option | 06:19 |
| zerojay | Sorry, I'm not really qualified to say about those things. | 06:19 |
| Texrat | wahhhhh | 06:20 |
| Texrat | ok you're deleted | 06:20 |
| Texrat | sniff | 06:20 |
| * Texrat slaps zerojay around a bit with a large trout | 06:20 | |
| zerojay | Jason404: I'm sure a lot will be. Just be sure to tell the people working on programs that you want it. | 06:21 |
| zerojay | Fishy. | 06:21 |
| Jason404 | yeh | 06:21 |
| Texrat | well crap | 06:22 |
| Jason404 | most of these apps have not been updated in months | 06:22 |
| Texrat | I gotta bail jason | 06:22 |
| Texrat | I'm really, really sorry... | 06:22 |
| zerojay | Later, dude. | 06:23 |
| Texrat | ok | 06:23 |
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| Jason404 | I guess the Maemo userbase will be much larger soon though | 06:24 |
| Jason404 | what is Fremantle? | 06:25 |
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| luke-jr | Jason404: the current version of Maemo | 06:47 |
| Jason404 | ah thanks | 06:53 |
| zerojay | Jason404: Each major revision of Maemo has had a name. | 06:55 |
| zerojay | Maemo 5 = Fremantle | 06:55 |
| zerojay | Maemo 4.0 = Chinook, Maemo 4.1 = Diablo | 06:55 |
| Jason404 | ic | 06:55 |
| zerojay | Elephantia was cancelled for Maemo 5. | 06:55 |
| zerojay | Harmattan = Maemo 6. | 06:55 |
| Jason404 | Elephantia was a cancelled version? | 06:56 |
| Jason404 | weird name | 06:57 |
| zerojay | It was meant to be a version of the OS to come between the two, but Nokia decided it would be better to just put their resources directly into Maemo 5 instead. | 06:57 |
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| Jason404 | do you know if the N900 has a glass screen? Has the N800/810? | 06:59 |
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| Jason404 | or N97 | 06:59 |
| zerojay | If they were, I know I would have broken all of mine first day. lol | 07:00 |
| zerojay | I don't know about N97. | 07:00 |
| Jason404 | plastic then? don't they scratch easily? | 07:00 |
| Jason404 | about half the people I know that have iPhones have smashed screens | 07:00 |
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| johnx | my whole office has them and I haven't heard of any phone fatalities yet | 07:01 |
| Jason404 | my sisters has smashed | 07:01 |
| Jason404 | I was at a CAD conference the other week, lots smashed there too | 07:01 |
| zerojay | Each of mine have gone through extreme use without screen protectors and the worst I have are small scratches that are mostly unnoticable in the most used parts of the screen. | 07:02 |
| Jason404 | one of my friends too | 07:02 |
| zerojay | (Not talking about iPhone) | 07:02 |
| SpeedEvil | All phones have glass screens. | 07:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Some may have plastic covers on the screens or touchscreens | 07:02 |
| SpeedEvil | but the actual display is glass | 07:02 |
| Jason404 | really? on the iPhone you can feel that it is glass | 07:03 |
| Jason404 | and see that it is glass once it gets smashed :) | 07:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Phones with plastic touchscreens have a glass display behind them | 07:04 |
| Jason404 | ic. so the worst of both on the Nokia. | 07:05 |
| Jason404 | they can still get smashed, and scratched too, and they do not feel as slick as an iPhone, | 07:05 |
| microlith | treat your phone with care and nothing will happen to it | 07:06 |
| johnx | SpeedEvil, have to admit I didn't believe you until I looked at wikipedia | 07:06 |
| Jason404 | I'll have to do stuff like make sure I never put it in the same pocket as my keys, and stuff like that | 07:06 |
| johnx | Jason404, do people really put their iphone in with their keys? | 07:07 |
| johnx | kinda figured that was common sense along with "don't get sand in it" and "don't dunk it in salt water" | 07:07 |
| microlith | johnx: and "beware of children" | 07:08 |
| Jason404 | I've never bothered to take that care with any phones in the past, but I have never had a touchscreen phone before | 07:08 |
| microlith | Jason404: ever had a pda? | 07:08 |
| Jason404 | I had an Apple Newton for a bit, about 15 years ago | 07:08 |
| microlith | ah, not a useful comparison then I suppose :> | 07:08 |
| microlith | far larger than any winmo pda | 07:09 |
| * johnx would rather have a newton than a winmo device | 07:10 | |
| microlith | I don't doubt it | 07:10 |
| johnx | I want to steal UI bits out of the Newton OS wholesale | 07:10 |
| Jason404 | i was temoted to get one, as I use Outlook and OneNote all the time. | 07:10 |
| microlith | my axim x3 is sitting still disassembled | 07:10 |
| microlith | haven't had the urge to put it back together | 07:10 |
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| * microlith boggles at the SNIA conference shirt | 07:12 | |
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| * RST38h moos | 07:52 | |
| RST38h | johnx: Would you like the poo-green display with that? =) | 07:52 |
| johnx | if it got me working PIM? | 07:53 |
| RST38h | hmmm... | 07:54 |
| * RST38h still uses an ascii file for his "pim" | 07:54 | |
| pupnik_ | what applications works like *xmms*, but does now slow down on large playlists | 07:54 |
| pupnik_ | something that doesn't try to touch each goddam file for playlist info upon playlist load! | 07:54 |
| johnx | pupnik_, change the setting in xmms | 07:55 |
| RST38h | pupnik: This excludes Nokia player(s) automatically | 07:55 |
| johnx | or get bmp and also change the setting | 07:55 |
| pupnik_ | ah soo... a setting... | 07:55 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 07:57 | |
| johnx | RST38h, I do enjoy having a decent calendar and contacts app | 07:57 |
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| RST38h | johnx: My guess is that Maemo5 will make you satisfied then | 08:03 |
| johnx | RST38h, as long as I don't stray from the n900 | 08:03 |
| RST38h | mmm...dunno. Should sync to another phone just fine, but you wouldn't need that | 08:04 |
| RST38h | As to Google sync, surely, you can write a script to sync | 08:04 |
| RST38h | Or do you need to sync with the dreaded Exchange? | 08:05 |
| johnx | RST38h, I am in the unique situation of defining both sides of the equation :) | 08:05 |
| johnx | transitioning from our terrifyingly ancient, non-standard LDAP/Mail server to something more modern | 08:06 |
| RST38h | Ah | 08:06 |
| RST38h | Then you should be able to figure something out =) | 08:06 |
| johnx | so I'd really like to pull contacts from LDAP, and calendar events from caldav | 08:06 |
| ShadowJK | Heh, and I thought xmms was the lightest alternative if you exclude mpg321 etc :) | 08:06 |
| johnx | but if I have to put in some kind of exchange-emulation layer, so be it. | 08:06 |
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| pupnik_ | in my case it was PBCAK or whatever - invoked xmms -e mylist.pls which triggered the scan-each-file | 08:07 |
| pupnik_ | starting it and loading the list did not scan files | 08:07 |
| ShadowJK | I tried amarok on desktop once. It consumed about 10 seconds worth of CPU time on every track switch, groping some monstrous databases.. | 08:08 |
| pupnik_ | i know, unbelievable | 08:08 |
| RST38h | Why don't these guy just let me select files? | 08:08 |
| johnx | overall rhythmbox hasn't hurt me much, except when triggering bugs in my crappy sound card drivers :/ | 08:08 |
| ShadowJK | do you use pulseaudio? | 08:09 |
| ShadowJK | does audio just hang? | 08:09 |
| johnx | doesn't hang. after my system has been up for a while, every so often all I can get are clicks and pops out of my sound card | 08:09 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 08:10 |
| johnx | then sometimes when playing music the whole thing hangs | 08:10 |
| johnx | I'm willing to chalk it up to crappy or crappily supported hardware | 08:10 |
| ShadowJK | whole thing as in whole computer? | 08:10 |
| johnx | yeah | 08:11 |
| johnx | possibly could be a bad interaction between wifi card and sound chipset | 08:11 |
| johnx | I dunno, and I don't feel like troubleshooting it anymroe | 08:11 |
| * ShadowJK remembers the time when having more than one card made by Creative was certain recipie for hangs | 08:12 | |
| johnx | yeah: ISA PNP still gives me nightmares | 08:13 |
| johnx | that's what hell will be like | 08:14 |
| ShadowJK | two PCI cards did it too | 08:14 |
| pupnik_ | wonder if i could hack xmms into iconbar, display double-sized within a legit hildon pop | 08:16 |
| johnx | I think it'd be cooler to have a proper mpd that used up no CPU time | 08:17 |
| johnx | s/no/almost no/ | 08:18 |
| infobot | johnx meant: I think it'd be cooler to have a proper mpd that used up almost no CPU time | 08:18 |
| ShadowJK | this tmo place is kinda evil | 08:32 |
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| ShadowJK | or depressing | 08:32 |
| johnx | in what way? the rush of 'blessed new users'? | 08:35 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: The wise treat it as their hunting ground. | 08:35 |
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| ShadowJK | one day I will find a media player that doesn't consume more CPU than mp3 playback on a P133, AND handles unicode tags | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | (and filenames) | 08:42 |
| johnx | does mpd? | 08:42 |
| johnx | ...handle unicode tags...? | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | dunno | 08:43 |
| ShadowJK | the media player doesn't | 08:43 |
| johnx | cause it certainly meets the CPU requirements | 08:43 |
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| ShadowJK | hm.. mpd isnt what i thought it was | 08:45 |
| ShadowJK | maybe | 08:45 |
| ShadowJK | what is it? | 08:45 |
| johnx | it's the "music player daemon" | 08:45 |
| johnx | mpd: reads files, plays files and listens for commands on a well known port | 08:46 |
| johnx | then a front end process lets you choose files to play, make playlists, play/pause/stop/ff | 08:46 |
| RST38h | is also a daemon though | 08:46 |
| * RST38h would like his mp3 player to quit when he says quit | 08:46 | |
| ShadowJK | is that the included stuff? | 08:46 |
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| johnx | on the tablet? nope | 08:47 |
| johnx | RST38h, you can set that I think, but when it's not in use it'll just get swapped out | 08:47 |
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| suihkulokki | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=all | 08:48 |
| ShadowJK | apt-cache search found a bunch of packages that have Suggests: mpd, but no mpd itself?:) | 08:48 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, on th tablet? yeah. I wish there was a 'ti-dsp' output for mpd | 08:49 |
| ShadowJK | it's kinda amusing when a 19 megabyte mplayer binary starts and responds snappier than the default player | 08:49 |
| johnx | but I don't think anyone really got mpd working well with the n8x0's "unique" sound situation | 08:50 |
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| RST38h | Somebody needs to code a real music player for Maemo | 09:02 |
| RST38h | The one not written in Python and reusing mplayer, and letting you add files to the playlist | 09:02 |
| Pavlov | heh | 09:03 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd be happy with one in python reusing mplayer | 09:05 |
| RST38h | Use Canola then | 09:05 |
| RST38h | Or any other of many players available from Extras | 09:05 |
| johnx | or youamp | 09:05 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, something not the weight of an elephant | 09:05 |
| RST38h | It does not matter. | 09:06 |
| ShadowJK | my current setup on desktop consists of: | 09:06 |
| RST38h | All of them tend to screw up, with mplayer getting out of control | 09:06 |
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| ShadowJK | mplayer $(find . -iname \*.mp3) | 09:06 |
| ShadowJK | but more extensions than just mp3 | 09:07 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 09:07 |
| ShadowJK | and then the multimedia keys on ghe keyboard for skipping to next track | 09:07 |
| RST38h | yes but you may not want all of those files | 09:07 |
| ShadowJK | probably, but i dont know myself what I want | 09:08 |
| * ShadowJK forgot -shuffle | 09:08 | |
| wazd | I live in a greatest country in the world | 09:08 |
| johnx | wazd, good news? | 09:09 |
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| RST38h | wazd: something blew up again? =) | 09:09 |
| wazd | They sent me a request t come to the army dep today, I came and there was noone | 09:09 |
| johnx | did you leave a postcard? | 09:09 |
| RST38h | they did not expect you to come, not really =) | 09:10 |
| pupnik_ | mplayer has -shuffle? since when? | 09:10 |
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| slonopotamus_ | err | 09:10 |
| slonopotamus_ | i'm here? | 09:10 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 09:10 |
| ShadowJK | pupnik: since playlist | 09:10 |
| johnx | wazd, actually, a polaroid picture of you standing in front of the door would be exactly the right thing :) | 09:10 |
| johnx | too bad polaroid went away ... | 09:10 |
| wazd | johnx: RST38h: all: heya btw) | 09:11 |
| wazd | Polaroid picture of me, crapping in the center of the hall | 09:12 |
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| wazd | Now I have to come on 25 | 09:13 |
| RST38h | come for what? | 09:13 |
| RST38h | they still want to draft you? | 09:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: to get my release | 09:13 |
| RST38h | ah | 09:14 |
| johnx | woo! | 09:14 |
| johnx | that means you win, right? | 09:14 |
| qwerty12 | This the fight against your country's conscription? | 09:14 |
| wazd | RST38h: they still want me but unfortunately I have 100% release issue) | 09:15 |
| RST38h | Ehhehe | 09:16 |
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| * RST38h off to work | 09:19 | |
| johnx | have fun RST38h :) | 09:19 |
| RST38h | if you can call it that... | 09:19 |
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| johnx | RST38h, there are worse jobs | 09:20 |
| johnx | I somewhat recently had to call an MS call center to get a ~50 digit Windows reactivation code | 09:20 |
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| adeus | a machine voice didn't give you the code? | 09:21 |
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| johnx | the machine voice didn't work for some reason or another | 09:21 |
| adeus | ah | 09:22 |
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| johnx | I might have mistyped the massively long code too many times or something | 09:22 |
| qwerty12 | There are, umm shall we say, faster alternatives | 09:22 |
| adeus | I have to call that thing quite often | 09:22 |
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| adeus | last time when I plugged an bt dongle | 09:22 |
| adeus | "your hardware has changed too much" | 09:22 |
| johnx | qwerty12, it was for work. kinda nice to have it legit ;) | 09:22 |
| qwerty12 | Doesn't your workplace use VLKs then? | 09:23 |
| johnx | nope | 09:23 |
| qwerty12 | nice | 09:23 |
| johnx | we're a mac shop except for a couple lone PCs | 09:23 |
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| wazd_n801 | "I won't buy n900 cause it's not made of jelly!" | 09:33 |
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| johnx | not made of jelly! damn! | 09:33 |
| johnx | I guess I'll just have to buy $650 worth of rasberry jam :/ | 09:34 |
| wazd_n801 | Nokia looks retarded making it not jelly | 09:34 |
| johnx | the iphone is made of jelly | 09:34 |
| johnx | and if it isn't there's an app to make it jelly | 09:35 |
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| RST38h | back | 10:51 |
| johnx | so you commute by car? | 10:51 |
| RST38h | No, I walk, take subway, take jitney bus (shit, had to look this word up), and corporate bus | 10:57 |
| johnx | what the heck is a "jitney bus"? | 10:57 |
| johnx | I'd have to look that up too... | 10:57 |
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| RST38h | it is a small van (Ford Transit qualifies) that follows a bus routes but stops at request, like a taxi | 11:00 |
| RST38h | The local name for it is a "routed taxi", but that would probably also confuse you | 11:00 |
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| johnx | that whole concept is absolutely foreign to me :) | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | taxibus | 11:02 |
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| Stskeeps | when does elections end again? | 11:05 |
| johnx | end of the month? | 11:06 |
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| johnx | eep | 11:06 |
| johnx | ends the 23:59 sept 27th UTC | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:07 |
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| Jaffa | johnx: Stskeeps: runs for a week. Started on Monday; ends midnight UTC Sunday | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | New council will run sprint meeting next Tuesday, and organised for the summit | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | Err, sorry - week after next Tuesday | 11:12 |
| * Jaffa can't use a calendar | 11:13 | |
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| Jaffa | morning pvanhoof | 11:13 |
| pvanhoof | morning Jaffa | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Did you see my comment on google-album-art-downloader? | 11:14 |
| pvanhoof | no | 11:14 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/google-album-art-downloader/1.0.2maemo4 | 11:15 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, the postinst script should trigger this 'retry; | 11:16 |
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| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Ah, cool. What's the algorithm BTW? If it was me it'd be largely square images for the album & artist name? | 11:22 |
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| pvanhoof | Jaffa, algorithm for? downloading the images? | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, someone needs to copy 'tar' from extras-devel diablo to fremantle | 11:25 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: What are you suggesting? :) | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | well, busybox tar doesn't unpack things correctly | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Well, *finding* the images. Downloading them should be pretty trivial ;-) | 11:26 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Let me see if I can put it through the builder. | 11:26 |
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| pvanhoof | Jaffa, http://gitorious.org/google-album-art-downloader/google-album-art-downloader/blobs/master/debian/postinst | 11:29 |
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| woglinde | jo | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Ah cool, I wondered where the source was. Ta. | 11:33 |
| pvanhoof | np | 11:34 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, for Tracker master it's of course very different | 11:34 |
| * Jaffa nods | 11:34 | |
| pvanhoof | As this script uses tracker | 11:34 |
| pvanhoof | But this is targeted for Fremantle of course | 11:34 |
| woglinde | hm whats the best way now to use sdk stuff under 64bit | 11:34 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, Something like, SELECT ?as WHERE { ?o a nfo:Image ; nie:isStoredAs ?as } | 11:35 |
| pvanhoof | And then tracker-sparql -q '$that_query' | 11:35 |
| pvanhoof | And then you get lines with a \t in front I think, that are the file:// uris to the images, so you probably want the album not the filename | 11:36 |
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| pvanhoof | so | 11:36 |
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| pvanhoof | SELECT ?album WHERE { ?o a nfo:Image ; nmm:album ?x . ?x nmm:albumName ?album } | 11:36 |
| pvanhoof | not sure about the predicate names, would have to look that up in the ontologies | 11:37 |
| pvanhoof | And you want a distinct in front of that first ?album too, else you possibly get duplicates | 11:37 |
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| tigert | wow | 11:45 |
| tigert | new gpodder rules | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | tigert: Yes it does. A lot better now. | 11:46 |
| Myrtti | is Panucci any better? | 11:46 |
| Myrtti | or is it still the same old pile of steaming frustration? | 11:47 |
| tigert | the portrait view rocks too | 11:47 |
| tigert | can someone with working less check what method he uses to detect rotation? | 11:48 |
| tigert | my n900 has just more and I dont know how to search with it :) | 11:48 |
| X-Fade | tigert: The only thing I miss is a play button directly on the episode listing ;) | 11:48 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Is there documentation on what Uri.escape_string does? Initial static code inspection would suggest that URI escaping a string which had already had spaces turned into + would be wrong | 11:48 |
| tigert | X-Fade: sure | 11:49 |
| tigert | X-Fade: its an iterative process | 11:49 |
| tigert | this is sweet step | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | tigert: http://repo.or.cz/w/gpodder.git?a=blob;f=src/gpodder/gtkui/frmntl/portrait.py | 11:49 |
| X-Fade | tigert: rotation code. | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Also, the image URL it's looking for doesn't correspond to the results page I get :-( | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: e.g. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:EWnJWGumSdb7QM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Duffy_Rockferry.jpg | 11:50 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, hmm maybe google changed things | 11:50 |
| pvanhoof | In that case, the program is broken :) | 11:50 |
| tigert | X-Fade: thanks | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Perhaps just looking for http://...tbn would be more robust? | 11:51 |
| pvanhoof | nod, feel free to write a patch | 11:51 |
| * Jaffa will add it to his ever growing TODO list | 11:52 | |
| pvanhoof | :) | 11:52 |
| Jaffa | Vala's documentation (or Google's indexing of it) still sucks :-( Trying to find the definition of asstring.str | 11:53 |
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| lcuk | summit hotel booking - quick howto needed please? do i request when i book with kalevatravelteam | 11:56 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, valadoc.org I think | 11:56 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, http://references.valadoc.org/glib-2.0/string.html | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Ah, cool. Ta. | 11:56 |
| pvanhoof | http://references.valadoc.org/glib-2.0/string.str.html | 11:56 |
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| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Would you object to a patch which introduced a GLib.Regex dependency? Equivalent to the Perl: my ($url) = asstring = | 11:57 |
| lcuk | i am filling in form for travel, but do i just rollup at the hotel and expect it covered or do i also book that with same people | 11:58 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:58 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Would you object to a patch which introduced a GLib.Regex dependency? Equivalent to the Perl: my ($url) = asstring =~ /<img[^>]+src="(http://[^"]+tbn[^"]+)"/ | 11:58 |
| Khertan | someone with an fremantle sdk or an n900 can try to install the package msaber available in extras-devel ? | 11:59 |
| Khertan | i would like to know if dependancies are ok | 11:59 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: accelerometer-based light sabre? | 11:59 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: yep | 11:59 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:59 |
| Khertan | mSaber is a useless lightsaber simulator for maemo which use accelerometers. | 11:59 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, no, go ahead | 11:59 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, you have a gitorious account btw? | 12:00 |
| pvanhoof | If so, just pastebin me the patch, push it, and even feel free to throw the package into the buildbot of maemo | 12:00 |
| lcuk | jaffa, its cool.. | 12:00 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa: i dev it without the fremantle sdk, without a device ... so don't know if it s work well :) | 12:00 |
| tigert | wow | 12:00 |
| pvanhoof | (after bumping the version, of course) | 12:00 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: No, no gitorious account | 12:00 |
| * tigert is very happy with his gpodder now | 12:00 | |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, ok, then use git's format-patches feature and E-mail me the patch to philip@codeminded.be | 12:01 |
| johnx | lcuk, I just added my name to the shared rooms list. was I supposed to do something else? | 12:01 |
| Khertan | lcuk: :) msaber available in extras-devel for fremantle ... anyway i don't know if it s works :) | 12:01 |
| lcuk | well im thinking the same, im arriving different time tho - i just need to know if i rollup sooner will the hotel know | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: maemo-optified? | 12:02 |
| pvanhoof | Jaffa, feel free to bump the project's and package's version already, in that patch | 12:02 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: optified ? | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | pvanhoof: Will do. | 12:02 |
| lcuk | jaffa do all projects need optifying? | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: maemo-optify is a tool to help you use /opt, to ensure your app doesn't use up the precious rootfs space | 12:02 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It's unclear; my approach is going to be "yes" | 12:02 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa: hum ... an other original maemo idea ? | 12:03 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Yup. See the -developers thread. | 12:03 |
| lcuk | jaffa - thats gonna be hard. my cc is expiring. | 12:03 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: yep i m currently looking | 12:03 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: but if things is moved to opt ... path need to be different | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: It installs but doesn't run | 12:04 |
| Khertan | snifff ... | 12:04 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: an error ? | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: maemo-optify will run as part of debian/rules and supposed to put symlinks in the place of the original files | 12:04 |
| lcuk | i cant afford to dive over there on the chance i will pay - refunds would take longer than the funds we have left | 12:04 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: an xterm trace ? | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: It starts; but then exits. Let me check from X Terminal | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Boils down to "pygame.error: Couldn't open saber_on.pn" on line 31 of /usr/lib/msaber/msaber.py | 12:05 |
| gomiam | Khertan: not original, really. /opt has been a staple of UNIX systems for a long time. Being able to free some flash space will help me avoid doing hand linking :) | 12:05 |
| gomiam | so I'm all for optifying as much as possible. | 12:06 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: arg ... i ve forgotten to include my last png image | 12:06 |
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| Khertan | in the package | 12:06 |
| Woolly | hey guys, anyone a dbus master? :D | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: Except /opt isn't being used like the FHS says it should, which'd be /opt/<package> rather than /opt/maemo (if you use maemo-optify at least) | 12:06 |
| Khertan | gomiam: depends on which distribution | 12:06 |
| gomiam | Khertan: notice I said UNIX, not Linux ;) | 12:06 |
| Khertan | gomiam: yep | 12:06 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: ok, so it can be modified to be FHS compliant, can't it? | 12:07 |
| Khertan | thanks Jaffa for your tests | 12:07 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: m-vo doesn't want maemo-optify to try and make packages FHS compliant. I think it should. | 12:07 |
| gomiam | then again, it seems maemo-optify is Fremantle-only, so it's not a solution for me right now :) | 12:08 |
| gomiam | Jaffa: well, any rationale behind not being FHS compliant? | 12:08 |
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| gomiam | (from m-vo, of course, since you and I both think it would be better to keep it FHS compliant) | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: It still wouldn't follow every single letter of the FHS for using /opt, so /usr/bin/foo -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/foo rather than /opt/foo/bin/foo | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | The FHS talks about /etc/opt and other things as well | 12:09 |
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| gomiam | mmm... /etc/opt or /opt/etc? :) | 12:09 |
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| Jaffa | gomiam: m-vo is going to put maemo-optify in diablo so that it can be used in build scripts for packages on both diablo & fremantle | 12:09 |
| gomiam | oh, nice :) | 12:10 |
| Jaffa | gomiam: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg20387.html | 12:10 |
| gomiam | I may yet avoid loading Maemo on a SD card :) | 12:10 |
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| Jaffa | And of course, using /opt in Diablo packages also allows diablo users to mount it somewhere else as well | 12:11 |
| gomiam | yup, yup :) | 12:11 |
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| Khertan | the autoconf approach of --datadir or similar <<< burk | 12:12 |
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| Khertan | msaber_0.0.1-2 uploaded to autobuilder :) | 12:13 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan: Well, I'm a RISC OS/ROX man deep down, so I like packages being relatively self-container rather than strewn over the place. Makes random hacking easier ;-) | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Cool | 12:14 |
| keesj | something like http://autopackage.org/ | 12:16 |
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| keesj | (so shipping the deps and such with the pacakges?) | 12:17 |
| lardman | morning | 12:17 |
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| Woolly | morning lardman | 12:19 |
| Jaffa | keesj: I don't mind packages inter-depending, but the resources for one package should (in general) be contained in a single place, IMHO | 12:19 |
| Jaffa | But that's not the non-/opt approach for Linux in general | 12:19 |
| lardman | hey Woolly | 12:20 |
| Woolly | how's your barcode stuff going? | 12:20 |
| lardman | Woolly: just about got some useful data out, but my bindings are obviously a bit skew-whif | 12:20 |
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| lardman | am returning some random strings from somewhere | 12:21 |
| Woolly | nice one :) | 12:21 |
| Woolly | I gave up on Python, and went back to C :D | 12:21 |
| lardman | I was feeling that yesterday :( | 12:21 |
| lardman | you still not got the batoo bindings working then? | 12:22 |
| Woolly | nah, got bored of trying | 12:22 |
| Woolly | I've just been modifying maemo-barcode to do what I want | 12:22 |
| lardman | I'll have a look at them if I get some time this week | 12:22 |
| lardman | ah fair enough | 12:22 |
| Woolly | maemo-barcode is incredibly quick :D | 12:22 |
| Khertan | [2009-09-23 12:16:32] msaber 0.0.1-2 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 12:23 |
| Woolly | are you using an n800, or an n810? | 12:23 |
| lardman | I was using an N810, but not that handy so have dug out the n800 | 12:23 |
| Woolly | cool | 12:23 |
| keesj | is Woolly the GSoc? | 12:23 |
| Woolly | GSoc? | 12:23 |
| lardman | no, I don;t think so | 12:24 |
| lardman | nothing to do with me mind you :) | 12:24 |
| lardman | Google summer of code | 12:24 |
| Woolly | ah | 12:24 |
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| Woolly | you should get the farsight plugins if you haven't already | 12:24 |
| Woolly | for handling the auto-rotate of the n800 camera | 12:25 |
| lardman | actually the gconfv4l2src should do that automatically | 12:25 |
| Woolly | yeah | 12:25 |
| Woolly | that's what I'm using | 12:25 |
| lardman | though it's hit and miss | 12:25 |
| Woolly | although did I not have to get the farsight plugins to get that? | 12:25 |
| lardman | no idea really | 12:26 |
| Woolly | cool beans, but yeah, gconfv4l2src is what I'm using :D | 12:26 |
| Woolly | and I've got a Python app to handle barcode lookups, munging the XML with BeautifulSoup and getting the stuff I want :D | 12:27 |
| Woolly | through Amazon AWS | 12:27 |
| Woolly | -Amazon | 12:27 |
| lardman | Could I nick your code? | 12:28 |
| lardman | there is some other scraping code from the barcode GSoC project too | 12:28 |
| lardman | on Garage under something-shop | 12:28 |
| * lardman checks the name | 12:28 | |
| lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shop-mate/ | 12:29 |
| Woolly | sweet I'll check that out | 12:29 |
| lardman | let me know if you want to go with the batoo bindings though, I think I've got the hang of SWIG now, and certainly the batoo decoder is working inside my extension | 12:29 |
| Woolly | will do | 12:29 |
| lardman | I can see the printfs, just can't get the string out yet! | 12:30 |
| Woolly | haha cool :D | 12:30 |
| Woolly | want the Python lookup code? | 12:30 |
| lardman | yeah would be useful, the more the better :) | 12:30 |
| Woolly | cool | 12:30 |
| Woolly | you'll need to register for AWS if you haven't already | 12:30 |
| Woolly | but I'll email that across to you now | 12:30 |
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| lardman | I am registered, just not got round to writing much code for that yet | 12:31 |
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| lardman | thanks :) | 12:31 |
| Woolly | haha :D | 12:31 |
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| Woolly | lardman: sent :) | 12:34 |
| lardman | cheers | 12:34 |
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| Woolly | np | 12:35 |
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| lardman | hmm, qrcode.h:13: error: storage class specified for parameter `qr_point' | 12:39 |
| lardman | doh! | 12:40 |
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| Khertan | Youhou ! a vmware image of the Fremantle sdk ! | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | beta2 | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 12:55 |
| lardman | woo-hoo! it works, at last! | 12:56 |
| javispedro | morning | 12:57 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps: yep but better than nothing ! | 12:58 |
| lardman | libdmtx decoding is really rather slow | 12:59 |
| lardman | derf: you about? | 13:01 |
| Khertan | someone to test msaber_0.0.1-2_armel.deb on n900 or maemo sdk ? (mine is downloading ;) ) | 13:04 |
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| Khertan | available in extras-devel fremantle | 13:04 |
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| RST38h | BTW, anyone compiled Midnight Commander for Fremantle already? =) | 13:08 |
| frals | hm, it should be possible to rebind the hardware buttons to launch a specific app right? like if you hold the volume- for X seconds? | 13:09 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: You need to use your app icon in XB-Maemo-Icon-26, btw ;-) | 13:10 |
| Khertan | hum yep :) | 13:10 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Same error | 13:11 |
| Khertan | but it suppose i should convert it before in 26x26 | 13:11 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: ? uh ? | 13:11 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: For fremantle it's 48x48 (even tho it says -26) | 13:11 |
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| * javispedro sighs :) | 13:12 | |
| Khertan | Jaffa: could you try in xterm : | 13:12 |
| Khertan | python /usr/lib/msabe/msaber.py | 13:12 |
| Khertan | pls | 13:12 |
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| Khertan | python /usr/lib/msaber/msaber.py | 13:12 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: 0.0.1-2 is installed according to apt-cache policy; and it gives the same saber_on.png error on line 31 as before. | 13:14 |
| javispedro | gah, fremantle sdl is built without esd support. so now I have to install pulse to get any audio from sdk at all | 13:15 |
| javispedro | ~dice | 13:20 |
| lardman | bbl | 13:21 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, esd is ugly and must die anyway. | 13:22 |
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| javispedro | it was simple at least :) | 13:23 |
| andre__ | and totally unmaintained :-P | 13:23 |
| Khertan | javispedro: does the file is present in /usr/lib/msaber/ ? | 13:23 |
| Khertan | java: does the file is present in /usr/lib/msaber/ ? | 13:23 |
| Khertan | javispedro: sorry wrong tabs | 13:23 |
| javispedro | Khertan: /usr/lib/msaber/saber_on.png: PNG image data, 480 x 360, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced | 13:24 |
| javispedro | ;) (I downloaded it in the x86 sdk) | 13:24 |
| javispedro | but can't run it due to no pulseaudio | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: You're assuming current directory somewhere. If I switch to /usr/lib/msaber it starts | 13:25 |
| Khertan | yep ... and no ... sys.path.append('/usr/lib/msaber') should be enough normally | 13:25 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Tap the screen to open the saber? Does it ever move or is ist just sounds? Mouse pointer is visible. | 13:26 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: yep mouse pointer is visible ... | 13:26 |
| Khertan | touch the screen open the saber and do sound | 13:26 |
| Khertan | and shake it do other sounds | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: And no way of closing apart from Ctrl-Backspace to open dashboard and clicking its close there (AFAICT) | 13:26 |
| Khertan | actually i didn't move but it ll ... | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | Saber seems a little small on screen. Blade should practically fill the screen IMHO | 13:27 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: escape key | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: You're full screen. There is no escape key. | 13:27 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa: arf ... i ve forgotten that n900 didn't have hard key | 13:27 |
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| Khertan | Jaffa: yep the saber will be full screen :) | 13:28 |
| Khertan | this is not final ui ... the main purpose is to test the reaction of the accelerometers | 13:28 |
| Khertan | and this is quite difficult without a n900 :) | 13:29 |
| Khertan | but thanks for the test | 13:29 |
| tigert | Khertan: I can test in a moment | 13:29 |
| tigert | also | 13:29 |
| tigert | just have to restore a backup after reflash | 13:30 |
| Khertan | and proposition ... i ll try to do graphics my self | 13:30 |
| Jaffa | Khertan: Seems basically fine in terms of response AFAICT | 13:30 |
| Khertan | to avoid copyright problem | 13:30 |
| Khertan | Jaffa: oh really ? | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Khertan: wiimote | 13:34 |
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| Khertan | wiimote ? gnié ? | 13:36 |
| Khertan | just a question what is the precision in term of centimeters of gps ? | 13:36 |
| * Khertan is thinking of bluetooth communication between 2 devices using mSaber to simulate also the sound when the two saber meet themself | 13:37 | |
| Khertan | :) | 13:37 |
| atx_fh | hey, i have a question: i'm trying to compile cacaoVM (with gnu classpath API. ) under scratchbox target (x86). .7configure wants a java compiler like javac or gcj. can i install gcj out of ubuntus repos? | 13:37 |
| Khertan | but need to calculate position and distance | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: it depends | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: 4m or so average error is common with most GPS devices | 13:38 |
| Khertan | ouch | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: in moderately good conditions | 13:38 |
| Khertan | too much | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Better use BT to find out if you are near the other. | 13:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Khertan: with close devices - maybe 3m - there is some error sharing | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: Then you can also sync the motion/clash sounds. | 13:38 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: yep this is the purpose | 13:39 |
| Khertan | how to detect range with bluetooth with signal strenght ? | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: No, but if BT works you are close enough? | 13:39 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: It is supposed to be a gimmick, not the real thing ;) | 13:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Stupid overkill. | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Given two panoramas constructed from the user waving the device about, you can correlate visible features to get an idea of range. | 13:49 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, bt takes ~ 10 seconds to "ping" all devices and get info | 13:50 |
| lcuk | it would be a very slow sword fight | 13:50 |
| gomiam | SpeedEvil: yay, Rube Goldberg-esque contraption XD | 13:50 |
| lcuk | perhaps have each device emit a specific frequency tone | 13:50 |
| lcuk | hopefully out of audible range ;) | 13:51 |
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| gomiam | lcuk: slow? Haven't you watched anime? Sword fights are supposed to be slow, with lots of talk in between :D | 13:51 |
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| RST38h | gomiam: that is chess | 13:53 |
| gomiam | RST38h: no, anime chess is fast | 13:54 |
| gomiam | XD | 13:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | FM | 13:54 |
| adeus | battle chess! | 13:54 |
| gomiam | or it should be, at least to compensate for the action scenes being so slow :) | 13:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can in principle do ranging using FM and reflections - but I don't think you've got enough data | 13:55 |
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| gomiam | adeus: oh, that was an entertaining game, for a bit at least :) | 13:55 |
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| RST38h | Eldar continues claiming N900 is unstable =) | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It is. | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It needs a nice stand, so it can't be tipped over. | 13:56 |
| RST38h | True | 13:56 |
| javispedro | ++SpeedEvil | 13:56 |
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| * RST38h 's idea of an entertaining game is closer to the Dungeon Keeper | 14:01 | |
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| RST38h | Or Heaven&Hell | 14:01 |
| adeus | hmm battle chess is free for download in adandonia | 14:01 |
| RST38h | what platform? | 14:01 |
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| adeus | http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/308/Battle+Chess.html | 14:02 |
| tigert | Khertan: it died, couldnt find start png | 14:02 |
| RST38h | Feh. PC. | 14:02 |
| tigert | saber_on.png not found | 14:02 |
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| * lbt is getting spam with N900 in the title... | 14:09 | |
| lbt | I'll bet Peter is pleased ;) | 14:10 |
| RST38h | only if it actually extends your penis... | 14:10 |
| inz | adeus, yeah, that was a great game, checkmate with knight was the "best" | 14:11 |
| RST38h | This game talk made me remember something... Does anyone remember the game where you had to evolve a planetary ecosphere to fight human colonists? | 14:11 |
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| RST38h | I tried googling but could not find it. What was the name of this game? | 14:11 |
| adeus | need more hints | 14:13 |
| RST38h | Was published around 2000-2003 | 14:14 |
| alterego | It was Elite's 25th anniversary the other day. | 14:14 |
| alterego | :) | 14:14 |
| alterego | Elite would be good on the N900 with an accelerometer ^_^ | 14:15 |
| tigert | RST38h: Settlers come to mind but maybe thats not it | 14:15 |
| tigert | and it was older | 14:15 |
| RST38h | tigert: Isn't it | 14:16 |
| RST38h | tigert: The point wasn't to settle, it was pure pest control | 14:16 |
| tigert | ok | 14:16 |
| adeus | kill all humans? | 14:16 |
| adeus | not the game name put the purpose | 14:17 |
| RST38h | Kill All Humans is just normal 3D tourism thing with aliens | 14:17 |
| Macer | hm | 14:17 |
| RST38h | The one I am talking about is more like Civilization | 14:18 |
| Macer | i hate doing laundry | 14:18 |
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| RST38h | alterego: Oh, YESSS, Elite, PLEASE!!! | 14:21 |
| * RST38h starts thinking on using accelerometer for iNES dpad control | 14:21 | |
| adeus | I would look in the wikipedia game lists, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:4X_video_games | 14:22 |
| adeus | maybe one of those ring a bell | 14:22 |
| tigert | accelerometer joystick driver would be nice | 14:22 |
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| RST38h | adeus: thanks | 14:27 |
| RST38h | tigert: I just need to know how to access accelerometer, EMULib has got its own dpad API | 14:28 |
| tigert | yeah | 14:29 |
| tigert | I am not really a good person to ask this from, I just do pretty pixels :/ | 14:30 |
| RST38h | adeus: not there | 14:30 |
| adeus | maybe a "god game" | 14:30 |
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| RST38h | trying | 14:33 |
| keesj | and what about the push_nbutton project , would people want this n900 extention and if so what would they like? | 14:35 |
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| Khertan | keesj: hum ... i prefer to connect a usb gamepad to the microusb port ... and the output to the tv :) | 14:50 |
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| keesj | Khertan also cool, all you need is usb-host | 14:52 |
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| Khertan | keesj: which isn't officially supported by nokia on n900, but doesn't mean it cannot be done | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | Just use a wiimote or PS3 controller over BT? | 14:53 |
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| keesj | X-Fade: that is a little like when I just started with the n800 using a BT keyboard | 14:56 |
| Khertan | if only i can connect a larger screen on my n800 .... | 14:57 |
| Khertan | s/n800/n810 | 14:57 |
| keesj | if you are not mobile you might aswell use a different device | 14:57 |
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| Khertan | keesj: i didn't want to travel with the larger screen | 14:58 |
| Khertan | :) | 14:58 |
| keesj | Ok so you need this http://focus.ti.com/dlpdmd/docs/dlpdiscovery.tsp?sectionId=60&tabId=2235 | 14:58 |
| Khertan | and so require every time that data is synced | 14:58 |
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| keesj | thinking of it's I will add it to the nbutton project | 14:59 |
| Khertan | hum ... i ve a hardware project for push n900 : http://psp.jeuxvideo.org/generationpsp/images/accessoires/loupePSP.jpg | 15:00 |
| Khertan | something like that ? | 15:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:00 |
| keesj | go for the pico projector! | 15:01 |
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| lcuk | keesj, are you taking your nbutton proposal to the summit and let people hack and play | 15:02 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember the details on the film with something like Khertan's proposal. | 15:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | though with an old-fashioned typewriter keyb too | 15:02 |
| keesj | There is not much time but I certainly would fancy a BOF about this | 15:02 |
| lcuk | if so, you could put it in the community showcase area: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31730 even if its just for a couple of hours you could get some feedback and ideas that the internet doesnt always allow | 15:03 |
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| lcuk | it needs work to make it work, but im sure if we can get more people involved its the right place for it | 15:04 |
| lcuk | ive asked lbt if he wants to bring his hardware hack too | 15:04 |
| frals | hmm, is it just me, or cant you change your last name on maemo.org/profile after initial registration? whenever i try to do it it stays for the session and then reverts to the one i used when regging | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | nbutton? | 15:05 |
| * SpeedEvil wants to do a micro-stick-on thumbstick. | 15:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | But it's not really triial. | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | trivial | 15:05 |
| lcuk | keesj, if that sounds good, just reply on the list and offer to hang about to talk to people for a bit | 15:05 |
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| Will | hi friends,I met a problem,when I run ./configure in scratchbox, it prompt me can not found hildmm....can anybody fix it? | 15:06 |
| keesj | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.github.com/keesj/push_nbutton | 15:07 |
| wazd | Damn, I need more RAM or SSD for scratch disk :) | 15:07 |
| Will | sorry , not hildmm,it's hildonmm | 15:07 |
| lcuk | lol keesj, your lego hack is more complete than a whole pandora! | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | keesj: There are USB HID hobbiest devices. | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | keesj: however - I don't recall where I saw them | 15:08 |
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| Will | can anybody help me? | 15:09 |
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| wazd | wooden n900 ftw :) Much better than cheap plasic :P | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | keesj: Also - PCBs aren't that scary :) | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Wooden, with brass fittings. | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | And a nice leather strap. | 15:10 |
| keesj | yes, for usb-host there are quite a few programs that run on micro-controllers | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - I forgot about the USB host possible issue | 15:10 |
| keesj | I have an alternative ready (the hammer) but it's a big gun to shoot with :p | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | hammer is way expensive. | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If you wanted cheap and easy you could go: http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ | 15:11 |
| keesj | indeed but I already have it | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | with a little USB hub | 15:12 |
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| keesj | thanks for the link | 15:13 |
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| keesj | where can i buy? | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | the above | 15:17 |
| Will | ÕâÀïÓÐÖйúÈ˲» | 15:17 |
| keesj | yes http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ | 15:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | keesj: you click on the cunningly hidden 'buy' link at the bottom? | 15:18 |
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| lbt | lcuk: I'm picking up more bits this pm... I'll know more over the weekend | 15:20 |
| lbt | happy to be involved if I'm around... need to check schedule for talks though | 15:21 |
| lcuk | lbt, im more interested if you wanna sit around and hack and play like we did in cph | 15:21 |
| lcuk | yeah we all do | 15:21 |
| lcuk | but the more thats involved the easier that is | 15:21 |
| lbt | of course :) | 15:22 |
| lbt | l8r | 15:22 |
| wazd | OMWeather reached Fremantle Extras at last :) | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | keesj, same for you - and anyone else too. an informal community hacking group during the summit. if people wanna get involved speak up on the thread here: | 15:23 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31730 | 15:23 |
| lcuk | cooool wazd | 15:23 |
| * keesj doesn't get tmo. wastes to much time | 15:24 | |
| lbt | ditto | 15:26 |
| lbt | whereas irc otoh... | 15:26 |
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| keesj | but I will look tonight | 15:28 |
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| * ccooke reads back a bit; lcuk: Is there anything actually planned for the community hacking group or is it just "we'll have some space for it if you feel like it"? | 15:47 | |
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| ccooke | the thread doesn't really seem to say what you think will happen there :-) | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | well it was opened as a community area, i noticed it amongst other things and the "hacking space" side of things would just be a way to try different things | 15:49 |
| fiferboy | Hmm, my font selector updates preview and returns the font now | 15:49 |
| lcuk | i dont know what it would mean or what would exactly happen | 15:50 |
| fiferboy | But I don't like how pango handles underlining | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | but i think it would be better to have a table and a few community members there talking and playing with stuff than nothing at all | 15:50 |
| ccooke | lcuk: Yeah, sounds like a nice idea | 15:51 |
| ccooke | (but I can see why people are basically ignoring the thread) | 15:52 |
| * lcuk might be completely wrong and quim s assertion may be right - but its worth a try if we can have it | 15:52 | |
| lcuk | i agree | 15:52 |
| ccooke | Thing is, it's not really something that needs replies as presented. | 15:52 |
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| ccooke | Huh. Pandora's keypad looks surprisingly similar to the new Nokia ones. | 15:53 |
| * lcuk does agree and doesnt know exactly what it will be used for | 15:54 | |
| lcuk | lol ccooke what - its made of lego? | 15:54 |
| ccooke | lcuk: go to openpandora and see their render | 15:54 |
| ccooke | It looks... *very* familiar | 15:54 |
| ccooke | I wonder if it'll ever actually exist? | 15:54 |
| lcuk | i have something better than a render tyvm | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | bbl | 15:55 |
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| lardman|gone | 10min? | 15:55 |
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| ccooke | (the whole pandora thing would trigger every last one of my scam alarm bells if they hadn't refunded pre-orders... and it still triggers most of them) | 15:56 |
| lardman | ccooke: I was wondering about that, perhaps they will deliver only 2 years late ;) | 15:56 |
| ccooke | (... but it's probably just another honest-but-horribly-managed example of engineers trying to produce their perfect device :-) | 15:57 |
| penguinbait | its all very shady | 15:57 |
| penguinbait | I wish I had one in my hand though | 15:58 |
| ccooke | penguinbait: dunno. I've seen similar things happen before and be proven to just be honest people who are idiots in some way | 15:58 |
| ccooke | (and let's be honest: Everyone's an idiot in some way...) | 15:58 |
| penguinbait | I resemble that remark | 15:58 |
| aquatix | am not! | 15:59 |
| ccooke | From what I've seen, they're trying to make the perfect device. Ever heard the horrible maxim "The best is the enemy of the good"? | 15:59 |
| aquatix | i'm a *big* idiot | 15:59 |
| lardman | I can't understand why they don't just come out with a realistic timeline now that they have people's money (as opposed to cc money) | 15:59 |
| aquatix | ccooke: yep | 15:59 |
| penguinbait | seriously lardman I concur | 15:59 |
| ccooke | It's a soul-crushingly horrible thing to say... and very, very true. | 15:59 |
| aquatix | that's why i try not to be a perfectionist | 16:00 |
| penguinbait | Just say, its gonna be December, or March or whatever, have a real timelime, I think to many people would not have stayed | 16:00 |
| MaceN8x0 | hm, wish this artigo had a little more kick to it | 16:00 |
| lardman | people are stuck now, they've moved actual money | 16:00 |
| ccooke | (... it's a bit like the OpenMoko disaster, except *they* had better business sense) | 16:01 |
| MaceN8x0 | lardman, yeah but in the end it might be worth it | 16:01 |
| MaceN8x0 | (maybe) | 16:01 |
| penguinbait | They tried to get me to repurchase in May, and said it was going to ship in June, hahahahah | 16:01 |
| ccooke | wait, they have peoples money? | 16:01 |
| ccooke | not via credit cards? | 16:01 |
| penguinbait | yup, it was a preorder froom over a year ago | 16:01 |
| penguinbait | and yes, no credit cards | 16:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | yeah, a black truck collects it | 16:02 |
| lardman | yeah, they wouldn't allow reorders unless you used a money transfer | 16:02 |
| ccooke | I thought they refunded the preorders? | 16:02 |
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| penguinbait | you are totally screwed if they go under | 16:02 |
| lardman | yeah, then wanted the transfers or no order | 16:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | sounds like a scam | 16:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | hahha | 16:02 |
| lardman | I didn't re-order | 16:02 |
| ccooke | ... Okay. On balance, then, they are at *least* being dishonest with people's money. | 16:02 |
| timeless | yum | 16:02 |
| lardman | indeed | 16:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | what device? | 16:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | a pandora? | 16:02 |
| alterego | Open Pandora thingy | 16:03 |
| alterego | Looks scht | 16:03 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 16:03 |
| ccooke | alterego: it's *somebody's* perfect device. | 16:03 |
| MaceN8x0 | haven't they said they were releasing it a year ago | 16:03 |
| alterego | Maybe, not me :P | 16:03 |
| MaceN8x0 | it is a scam | 16:03 |
| ccooke | ... personally, I think their new keyboard looks like it'll be horribly to type on | 16:03 |
| MaceN8x0 | :) | 16:03 |
| * luke-jr wonders how much that price figure should have dropped since people paid it. | 16:03 | |
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| MaceN8x0 | long term scam | 16:03 |
| ccooke | assumin it ever, you know, existed | 16:03 |
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| alterego | I will never have _my_ perfect device until someone actually creates something that does all I want it to do and things I haven't even thought I want it to do yet. | 16:03 |
| ccooke | hmm | 16:04 |
| alterego | Which wont ever happen. | 16:04 |
| luke-jr | unfortunately, they've probably screwed up for anyone who wanted to have the buyers pre-pay to cover the production runs | 16:04 |
| ccooke | I wonder if any UK person preordered... Assuming they have proof of the money transfer, taking them through small claims court might be just the shock the pandora people need ;-) | 16:04 |
| luke-jr | now everyone who pre-ordered a Pandora is thinking "I'll never make that mistake again" | 16:04 |
| penguinbait | I paid 208GBP which at the time was around 375$ US dollars, and I was returned 208GBP which at the time was 308$ US Dollars, I lost money on it from the start | 16:05 |
| penguinbait | #!@$#@#!#$er's | 16:05 |
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| ccooke | luke-jr: to be honest, I found the attitude of at least a couple of their people rather irritating. I may be judging them harshly because of it. | 16:05 |
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| ccooke | (The "Watch out nokia! etc" sig on the forums, for instance...) | 16:06 |
| luke-jr | there was probably a future for open hardware based on people paying before production runs, but Pandora's screwed that up for a while :/ | 16:06 |
| ccooke | luke-jr: no, look at the crunchpad | 16:06 |
| luke-jr | ? | 16:07 |
| ccooke | that's an example of doing this *properly* | 16:07 |
| ccooke | (they have prototypes that people have *seen*, for a start) | 16:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | i still say it is a scam | 16:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | "coming soon" while they are living off others' money | 16:07 |
| MaceN8x0 | have to give the con artists an A+ on that one | 16:08 |
| ccooke | MaceN8x0: classic behaviour, unfortunately :-/ | 16:08 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 16:08 |
| MaceN8x0 | well. touchbooks started going out | 16:09 |
| MaceN8x0 | real people are starting to get them | 16:09 |
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| MaceN8x0 | so | 16:10 |
| MaceN8x0 | you never know | 16:10 |
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| MaceN8x0 | i thought tbs were vapor too | 16:10 |
| MaceN8x0 | although | 16:10 |
| MaceN8x0 | i am still waiting on mine | 16:10 |
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| ccooke | I have every intention of getting a crunchpad at some point after it ships. Looks like a fun thing to play with | 16:11 |
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| MaceN8x0 | at least this artigo can play xvids | 16:12 |
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| lardman | artigo? | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda want a http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NorhTec-Gecko-Info-Pad/ | 16:15 |
| lardman | bbl | 16:16 |
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| fiferboy | It looks like bold and italic are font styles, but underline and strikeout are text attributes | 16:25 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Is there a better way to optimize space with just the "B" and "I" buttons? | 16:26 |
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| carboncopy | push Gmail on EAS protocol - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/tag/googlesync | 16:27 |
| carboncopy | is there any email client on maemo which supports EAS? | 16:27 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: you want to remove S and U? | 16:32 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Yes | 16:32 |
| fiferboy | At least for the time being | 16:32 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: msaber 0.0.2-1Fremantle Extras-devel free i386Package importedSystem2009-09-23 13:22 UTC | 16:37 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:37 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: well, what will it optimize then? :) | 16:38 |
| wazd | fiferboy: since S and U affects the font look too | 16:38 |
| fiferboy | wazd: S and U are considered text attributes and are not available to me (in the easiest, laziest form) when returning the font description | 16:39 |
| wazd | ah :) | 16:40 |
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| wazd | well, screw them then :) | 16:40 |
| fiferboy | For now, at least | 16:40 |
| wazd | fiferboy: maybe you can move them to the row with font preview | 16:41 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I'll try that | 16:41 |
| timeless | could someone provide a picture of the ui under discussion? | 16:46 |
| fiferboy | timeless: http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/screens/snapshot37.png | 16:48 |
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| * timeless clicks | 17:07 | |
| timeless | lose the article "a" from the title | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | fiferboy: looking good | 17:08 |
| timeless | personally, i'd stick the bsui above done | 17:08 |
| qwerty12 | ^ | 17:08 |
| timeless | if possible as a single row | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I agree S- and U_ wouldn't usually be fonts | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | timeless: can't :/ | 17:09 |
| timeless | why not | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Anymore than - forex - pink would be in the font selection | 17:09 |
| * Myrtti considers taking pink from hilight | 17:09 | |
| fiferboy | I am going to put "B" and "I" on the preview line, though | 17:09 |
| timeless | if you can't, then as speedevil notes. just lose them from the dialog | 17:09 |
| timeless | you can definitely have buttons above done | 17:10 |
| timeless | we do it | 17:10 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders at replacing the preview window and font size selctor with 25 abc 26 def 27 ghi... | 17:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | and having it spin sideways | 17:11 |
| timeless | a set of tiny buttons is probably not something we've done, but.. | 17:11 |
| timeless | personally i prefer the quick brown fox jumps over ther lazy dog | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: I was meaning the current font-size - say 27 - is highlighted - and you scroll it left or right to make it larger or smaller | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | but pribably not transparent to the user | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | timeless: What have you put over done? | 17:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Alternatively - can the font size list be moved over 'done' - and shrunk to three items? | 17:16 |
| fiferboy | I have no experience with what can be over "Done" | 17:16 |
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| * SpeedEvil is just rambling. | 17:16 | |
| fiferboy | I was under the impression that this is the dialogs button area, and it is to be used for dialog buttons | 17:17 |
| fiferboy | SpeedEvil: keep rambling, I like having lots of ideas | 17:17 |
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| RST38h | fiferboy: "-- Are you in charge here? -- Not really, but I have got a lot of ideas!" (C)Dr Who | 17:20 |
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| fiferboy | RST38h: :) | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Font size is set by the GPS speed. | 17:21 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, in the same segment there was a quote "-- Was that ambulance going to a hospital or an asylum?" | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | You want big fonts, you need to run! | 17:21 |
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| asj_wrk- | SpeedEvil: that's discriminitory to old peolpe ;) | 17:29 |
| ccooke | Hmm. Nokia definitely said no MMS, right? | 17:31 |
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| MaceN8x0 | The election of the Maemo Community Council is now open. | 17:45 |
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| MaceN8x0 | there is a maemo council? | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, arguably it's called Nokia, Inc. | 17:46 |
| MaceN8x0 | haha | 17:46 |
| MaceN8x0 | wonder what they do | 17:46 |
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| GAN800 | Who? | 17:47 |
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| MaceN8x0 | like prevent world war? | 17:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | the maemo council | 17:47 |
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| GAN800 | Um, the managers and executives of Nokia and Maemo Devices decide where the platform is going? | 17:48 |
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| MaceN8x0 | which is why i am confused about the council | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | MaceN8x0: The council should act as a gateway between Nokia and community. | 17:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Maemo _Community_ Council does as X-Fade says. | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're basically facilitators for the community. | 17:52 |
| penguinbait | Why did you not rerun GA? | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because a year is long enough and we need new blood | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | and I'm tired of being at the FLAME end of the insanity. | 17:54 |
| penguinbait | ) | 17:54 |
| penguinbait | :) | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | penguinbait, i actually think the current council were afraid of the uniforms thread | 18:08 |
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| wazd | ohoh, Eldar Murtazin says that he will publish the review of Maemo 5 this evening and it will be bad :) | 18:11 |
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| qwerty12 | Ooh, a review from a twat. Scary. :) | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | That guy is all over the place ;) | 18:12 |
| lcuk | nahhh X-Fade thats me | 18:13 |
| Myrtti | *splört* | 18:13 |
| qwerty12 | /ignore lcuk | 18:13 |
| lcuk | eldar murtazin can go suck eggs, after the blazing amount of publicity and fanfare his "leak" did hes now just stirring up controvercy. all he is interested in is page views \@/ | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | o_O AGAIN | 18:13 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, could you ask qwerty why he blocked me again | 18:14 |
| qwerty12 | It's not him saying it's bad that annoys me, but, rather, what he's basing his review on | 18:14 |
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| qwerty12 | (review used in the loosest sense of the word) | 18:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not much respect for him. | 18:15 |
| lcuk | did anyone find out where he got the device from in the first place | 18:16 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I prefer to laugh at him in his own house :D | 18:18 |
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| qwerty12 | wazd: and then take his N900? Because he clearly doesn't like it :) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | yeah, poor impoverished children in first world countries would lap up an n900 | 18:20 |
| wazd | seriously, at first I thought everyone is wrong bout him and he's pretty good guy | 18:20 |
| qwerty12 | Yeah, lcuk, I heard you were delighted to get yours | 18:20 |
| wazd | but now I see his 180 degree turns in his thoughts bout n900 | 18:20 |
| wazd | looks like he's just a pathetic flamboiant wannabe | 18:21 |
| lcuk | i will continue to be delighted with it - its got so many facets anddirections it can take | 18:21 |
| lcuk | and all the limitations and low ceilings from the n810 are removed - everything is simply - better | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | even something as humble and simple as a textmessage. i have spent more money sending texts between myself and tracy than i ever did with a predictive text phone, and i can remember the whole conversation | 18:24 |
| qwerty12 | That feature has been in Nokia phones for a while now | 18:24 |
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| lcuk | not in tracys or any of hte previous ones | 18:25 |
| lcuk | screen res hasnt been usable - maybe smart phones | 18:25 |
| lcuk | ive never seen the point of a smart phone thats restricted to 0-9 keys - qwerty is the future! | 18:26 |
| * qwerty12 blushes | 18:26 | |
| lcuk | :D heh | 18:26 |
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| * lcuk pokes aSIMULAter, just because | 18:28 | |
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| lcuk | i best go tho | 18:28 |
| lcuk | bbl | 18:28 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://gizmodo.com/5365288/ti-turns-30-calculator-into-15-iphone-app-swears-people-still-pay-for-real-deal | 18:46 |
| wazd | suckers :D | 18:46 |
| wazd | this item is not available in russian appstore | 18:48 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, what a shame, you can't have a cool calculator in your Hiphone :P | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | back | 18:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: BA-series calcs are somewhat of a classic | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | wazd: they are pretty stupid but lots of people use them | 18:59 |
| qwerty12 | Moo, RST38h | 19:00 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Moo! MThe Bug has been resolved!!! | 19:01 |
| qwerty12 | I saw, glad to hear it :) | 19:02 |
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| wazd | RST38h: iphone users pay again for what others have for free :) | 19:05 |
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| lcuk | wazd, the calculators? not for long - ti have started suing people for rom hijacking or something | 19:08 |
| slonopotamus | wazd, they'll tell you that stuff they get is much more fancy-shmancy than others could ever imagine | 19:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: I do not do BA | 19:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: so, no | 19:08 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i know i showed you the slash article, how does that sit with yours, and would it be beneficial to attempt real collaboration with ti | 19:09 |
| lcuk | for official version | 19:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I think I will get DMCAed to death | 19:10 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So prefer to stay separate | 19:10 |
| RST38h | Besides, BA is a dumb calc, it has nothing to do with progammable calcs | 19:10 |
| lcuk | i think it would be better to try officially one day soon - we have ti hardware in our devices, using ti software on them would be fitting | 19:10 |
| wazd | lcuk: can you tell me the number of your n900 firmware? | 19:10 |
| lcuk | no | 19:10 |
| lcuk | (a) i have old old old hardware | 19:10 |
| lcuk | (b) you are russian hacker | 19:11 |
| lcuk | :p | 19:11 |
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| lcuk | wazd, my firmware is in sync with the publically released sdk - it has to be | 19:12 |
| lcuk | i cannot install a later one due to -dev problems | 19:12 |
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| wazd | Eldar said that he has n920 proto :) | 19:13 |
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| lcuk | wazd, good for him. | 19:15 |
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| pupnik_ | mmmmüà assam | 19:15 |
| qwerty12 | Two-faced cunt. I mean, if Maemo 5 sucks so much, then why would you want the N920? | 19:15 |
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| wazd | qwerty12: well, he's taking protos from someone giving it to him :) Why wouldn't he :) | 19:17 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hi again ! | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | True, I guess writing up another shit review must be fun | 19:17 |
| qwerty12 | Hi Khertan_n810 | 19:17 |
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| Kht_in_train | hi qwerty12 | 19:18 |
| mmu_screen | <troll>to port Haiku to it</troll> | 19:19 |
| Kht_in_train | hum how participants was present at the first summit ? only 200 ... | 19:19 |
| Kht_in_train | i think it was more | 19:19 |
| lcuk | 199 participants and one ugly dude. | 19:19 |
| lcuk | think he was called curtain or something :p | 19:20 |
| * lcuk is daring you to strike me with light sabre | 19:20 | |
| lcuk | we should have battles on the tables and stuff | 19:20 |
| Kht_in_train | haha ... have you tried the 0.0.3 | 19:21 |
| * lcuk remembers he has an obi-wan cloak | 19:21 | |
| lcuk | not yet i havent | 19:21 |
| Kht_in_train | i m currently trying some communication idea to mesure distance between two users of mSaber | 19:21 |
| Kht_in_train | and communicate position | 19:22 |
| Myrtti | can you fly with the cloak? | 19:22 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, no, but it lets me take my droids ANYWHERE | 19:22 |
| Myrtti | ooo cool | 19:22 |
| lcuk | Kht_in_train, we thought about bt positioning last year | 19:22 |
| Myrtti | what about CATS WITH LAZERS?! | 19:22 |
| lcuk | but ping time is restrictive | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | nearest i can think is using a known freuency chirp | 19:23 |
| lcuk | and listening for them and basing distance on volume | 19:23 |
| lcuk | known frequency chirp | 19:23 |
| lbt | mm cats with lasers... mine are evil enough with just claws!! | 19:23 |
| lcuk | sharks with lasers are better | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Psh | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sharks with lasers are lame. | 19:24 |
| RST38h | wazd: Eldar apparently has 34.x firmware | 19:24 |
| lbt | they'll drown | 19:24 |
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| RST38h | wazd: That is week 34. | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | What're you gonna do with a laser shark? Kill frogmen? | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now cats with lasers | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | nobody ever suspects the cat! | 19:24 |
| lcuk | thats like something i saw | 19:24 |
| RST38h | General: light show | 19:24 |
| penguinbait | iphones with lasers, pointing right out the speaker when pressed against head | 19:24 |
| lcuk | Submarine racing: not a spectator sport. | 19:24 |
| * RST38h always suspects the cat | 19:25 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no wonder its shit. | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | Anyone who ever had cats ALWAYS suspects the cat | 19:25 |
| penguinbait | or maybe it was exploding batteries? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, dunno, I've had cats all of my life. | 19:25 |
| RST38h | General: Or he may be hitting some unlikely scenario (see email) | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe they've just trained me too well. | 19:25 |
| RST38h | General: Haven't ou notice how they always look at you as if you were meat? | 19:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mine looks at me like I'm a dumbass. | 19:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Returning to the calc thing | 19:26 |
| RST38h | General: EDIBLE dumbass | 19:26 |
| qwerty12 | Mine looks at me and whines to be let out | 19:26 |
| RST38h | Cases of cats eating their deceased owners are common | 19:26 |
| RST38h | Dogs do it way less frequently | 19:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: There are multiple issues there | 19:26 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: First of all, TI encourages hacking their calcs. They have even got a complete SDK for free, with the emulator and debugger | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12, I had a cat who did that then would run away as soon as you touched the door handle. | 19:27 |
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| penguinbait | http://images.quizfarm.com/1101402295pissedattheworldcat.jpg | 19:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Secondly, that article on Slashdot was about people cracking encryption used on TI84 and newer firmware | 19:27 |
| penguinbait | damn cats | 19:27 |
| qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: lol. This one can't wait to bolt out... | 19:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is not about general hacking | 19:28 |
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| penguinbait | I would rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy | 19:33 |
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| Jaffa | pb-away: Did you have any answers on the -community thread? | 19:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: august? | 19:35 |
| pb-away | sorry what thrad? | 19:36 |
| pyhimys | http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php | 19:36 |
| VDVsx | humm eldar claims to have access to the "nokia bug list for n900" -> http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/statuses/4319143278 :P | 19:36 |
| jeremiah | Oh that crazy Eldar | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | eldar is talking bollocks. I know this from people who provide access to the images. He hasn't got it. | 19:37 |
| wazd | Jaffa: orly? :) | 19:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Thirdly that iPhone simulator simulates a dumb business calc which isn't much fun to emulate =) | 19:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea | 19:38 |
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| * RST38h suggests people do not discredit Eldar outright but rather assign his statements about 30% credibility | 19:39 | |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, don't say that, he've to everything, including nokia's HQ keys , lool | 19:39 |
| VDVsx | S/he've to/he've access/ | 19:40 |
| jeremiah | It does appear that Nokia leaked stuff to him on purpose. | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | not really, he seems to have a contact or something | 19:41 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: I've heard mention that his device may be stolen; or at least gained through somewhat nefarious methods. Nokia don't seem happy with him; and a lot of his whinging may be an attempt to publicly get them to do what he wants | 19:46 |
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| * RST38h yawns and sadly notes that keeping Eldar semihappy may be a much better strategy | 19:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe we can gain karma by killing him! | 19:47 |
| * SpeedEvil sharpens his spoon. | 19:48 | |
| RST38h | Yes, and if you kill 5 Eldars in a row, you get 5000 bonus points | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Lots of people read his site, and it is pretty informative site too | 19:48 |
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| timeless | anyone happen to be in krakow now? | 19:50 |
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| timeless | i'm about to fly to katowice and hope to arrive in krakow tonight | 19:50 |
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| solarion | timeless: I was about 2 months ago. | 19:53 |
| timeless | how was it, what did you do, where did you stay | 19:54 |
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| wazd | timeless: Eldar says that it's easy to crash the Microb :) | 20:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: His comments in LJ indicate that he has got intranet access. | 20:05 |
| RST38h | wazd: Which is rather amusing. | 20:06 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Aha, that is interesting. | 20:06 |
| jeremiah | Not very nice of Mr. Eldar. | 20:06 |
| Anunakin | Any here knows how to change keyboard layout on Mer or Debian? my N810 has a portuguese layout | 20:06 |
| jeremiah | A bit of the old corporate blackmail | 20:06 |
| lcuk | penguinbait, i would/me offers curry n pitta breads to the hardworking legit devs around maemo | 20:06 |
| lcuk | -penguinbait | 20:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:07 |
| timeless | wazd: good for him, i've had relatively few crashes since i started my vacation | 20:09 |
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| timeless | various apps do crash, and the browser is getting some fixes | 20:10 |
| timeless | if he wants to be helpful, he can file a bug in bugs.maemo.org and someone will look | 20:10 |
| lcuk | timeless, if deffo depends on how you are using it | 20:11 |
| lcuk | we all know ways to crash even ruggedised stable code | 20:12 |
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| pupnik_ | dpkg-reconfigure console-data for debian Anunakin | 20:13 |
| * timeless sighs | 20:13 | |
| timeless | stupid epired domains | 20:13 |
| lcuk | didnt microsoft.co.uk expire at some point | 20:13 |
| lcuk | ahh no, it was hotmail.co.uk | 20:14 |
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| Macer | hm | 20:17 |
| Macer | think i should download house or something | 20:17 |
| Macer | and ncis | 20:17 |
| Macer | :) | 20:17 |
| Macer | that ncis: LA shit is on the shitlist | 20:18 |
| wazd | Macer: already on it :P | 20:18 |
| Macer | i hate shows that cater to the west coast :) | 20:18 |
| lcuk | someone said ncis was good | 20:18 |
| Macer | well. more so.. cater to california | 20:18 |
| Macer | i wonder if they show a bunch of out of work used to be right people who have to migrate to nevada | 20:18 |
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| Macer | wow. openoffice.org goes like 130K/s | 20:19 |
| Macer | i guess the price to pay for a free office suite | 20:19 |
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| * Macer waits for openoffice + cups for the n900 | 20:21 | |
| Macer | :) | 20:21 |
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| Sho_ | Macer: KOffice is there :-) | 20:25 |
| Macer | i thought it was only a viewer? | 20:25 |
| Mek | well, you can run the full one as well, but that won't have a nice hildonized UI | 20:25 |
| Macer | meaning its options menus will be off screen :) | 20:26 |
| Macer | i remember running kde on my n800 and using koffice .. if i didn't have the bt kb it would have been unusable | 20:26 |
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| Myrtti | I've read too much Ender | 20:27 |
| Myrtti | need brain bleach | 20:27 |
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| Mek | and how do you expect OOo to be any better? at least for KOffice it is quite easy to make a new UI (as we've proven with the viewer...) | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: How do I vote for an app? | 20:28 |
| Macer | Mek: never said that | 20:28 |
| Macer | just figured it would be nice for sun to release an n900 openoffice ;) | 20:28 |
| Macer | with cups support :) | 20:29 |
| Macer | can you run koffice in windows? | 20:31 |
| Macer | i know there is some kde on windows project but i never looked into it | 20:31 |
| adeus | yes | 20:31 |
| Macer | http://windows.kde.org/ | 20:31 |
| adeus | it's part of the kde on windows package | 20:31 |
| Macer | wtf. that doesn't seem to work | 20:32 |
| Macer | or is it just me? | 20:32 |
| adeus | seems down | 20:32 |
| Mek | one of the main kde.org servers is down... (ironically the one hosted by nokia...) | 20:32 |
| Macer | haha | 20:33 |
| Macer | awesome | 20:33 |
| Macer | i'd love to run the kde ui in windows | 20:33 |
| Macer | that would be awesome | 20:33 |
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| Macer | ah well. maybe i'll try again later | 20:34 |
| Macer | maybe they are running the server off an n900 :) | 20:34 |
| Macer | and the battery died | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: http://maemo.org/packages/view/<app>/ click through to a version and use the thumb up/down | 20:35 |
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| Macer | ah well. | 20:37 |
| Macer | let me do stuff | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: It does not light up. I managed to light it up twice by frantically reloading the page and clicking on the hand icons. | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: But in general it just does not work. | 20:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The AJAX on thumbs really needs to be fixed. | 20:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to watch a pinwheel pin when I click AJAX. | 20:39 |
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| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/fremantle.png I call it the "elbow friendly GUI". | 20:40 |
| * RST38h pissed off Eldar. Hehe. | 20:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Link? | 20:40 |
| RST38h | it's in Russian. | 20:41 |
| lcuk | javispedro, :) that looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet | 20:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Translation? :P | 20:41 |
| lcuk | javispedro, :) the screenshot you supplied is most splendid | 20:41 |
| RST38h | General: Basically, I asked what firmware version he is using and what exact problems he is having | 20:42 |
| javispedro | lcuk: ta :) | 20:42 |
| RST38h | General: He said 34.14 for the firmware, said the device DOES NOT crash and by "problems" he means missing portrait mode | 20:42 |
| javispedro | wazd: ping | 20:42 |
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| RST38h | General: I told him that the portrait mode is actually supported by the OS and everybody can use it in his app | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | General: Also said that the bookreader (he moaned about no portrait mode for bookreaders) could use portrait orientation since Maemo4 | 20:43 |
| RST38h | General: He responded with a separate blog post about one screenful long, laying blame on maemo developers who are fanatics and can't accept the truth | 20:44 |
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| RST38h | General: Every time you start asking him of specific problems he kinda jumps sideways, very funny | 20:45 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you speak russian :O | 20:45 |
| lcuk | i thought no1 spoke russian | 20:46 |
| lcuk | anywhere | 20:46 |
| RST38h | That's true | 20:46 |
| crashanddie_ | in russia | 20:46 |
| RST38h | I speak Albanian | 20:46 |
| crashanddie_ | i heard they do | 20:46 |
| crashanddie_ | sometimes | 20:46 |
| RST38h | And so is everyone else around here. | 20:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, nice. | 20:46 |
| * lcuk nods | 20:46 | |
| thresh | yeah, Albanian is pretty common here. | 20:46 |
| crashanddie_ | Where's that? Albania? | 20:46 |
| javispedro | I wonder how can someone switch sides so easily. It costed me two full years to lose the palm fanboyism. | 20:46 |
| lcuk | javispedro, once one has got drnoksnes installed how do i use it | 20:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | javispedro, it's called walletism | 20:47 |
| RST38h | javis: He isn't taking sides, just trying to look smart | 20:47 |
| javispedro | lcuk: fremantle version has no pixel doubling thus mostly unusable :) | 20:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | javispedro, whatever you pay for, you swear to love and treasure | 20:47 |
| RST38h | javis: It works until you start pressing him with concrete questions, standard stuff | 20:47 |
| thresh | crashanddie_: no, Russia | 20:47 |
| lcuk | javispedro, even without pixeldoubling (your triangle WILL come in handy soon..) i can still do nothing | 20:47 |
| lcuk | do i have a console and compiler to make a "rom" thingy? | 20:48 |
| crashanddie_ | thresh, i knew russian was quite popular in ukraine, didn't know about albanian | 20:48 |
| * lcuk waves at crashanddie_ btw | 20:48 | |
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| * crashanddie_ waves back, btw | 20:48 | |
| RST38h | javis: I could probably brought him into total anal defense mode if I wanted to, few more polite questions and he is done for | 20:48 |
| javispedro | crashanddie_: that's what I though. until I started cursing Palm even when my T|X was still alive. Criticising every move they made. But two years ago I would have blindly defended them. | 20:48 |
| javispedro | two-three. | 20:48 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, sorry I haven't been around to help on the project | 20:49 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk, i'm fighting dearly to get a paycheck at the end of the month | 20:50 |
| * frals is getting slightly annoyed with all the different logins required to contribute | 20:50 | |
| crashanddie_ | frals, SSO | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie_, :) yeah | 20:52 |
| lcuk | i know | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, they're working on it. | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, but unified logins for a dozen different web applications isn't easy. | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | vBulletin, Midgard, Mediawiki, Bugzilla, GForge, etc. | 20:53 |
| crashanddie_ | which is probably why there's a whole industry based around that very specific feature? | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | frals, if you want to help, though, ping X-Fade or danielwilms. | 20:53 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: dude! you fixed fps counter? | 20:53 |
| pupnik_ | where is changelog? | 20:54 |
| frals | cool | 20:54 |
| pupnik_ | 48-60fps in frogger | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: nope :P | 20:54 |
| pupnik_ | oh ok | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | it is faster | 20:55 |
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| pupnik_ | why | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | ! | 20:55 |
| pupnik_ | or my n810 got faster | 20:55 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: its not. | 20:55 |
| javispedro | in fact it's a bit slower. | 20:55 |
| javispedro | around 1 fps | 20:55 |
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| javispedro | bloat (superfx, etc) | 20:56 |
| pupnik_ | ok i do some tests | 20:56 |
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| pupnik_ | superfx now working? | 20:56 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: yes! :) | 20:57 |
| javispedro | saves and loads | 20:57 |
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| javispedro | and i think i squished most yoshi's island gfx glitches | 20:57 |
| Summeli | nice! :) | 20:57 |
| javispedro | oh, Summely, hi! | 20:58 |
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| javispedro | Summeli: did you do any tests with the C interpreter? | 20:58 |
| Summeli | I could take some of your fixes too :) | 20:58 |
| pupnik_ | oh good grief, i should have tested more games | 20:58 |
| Summeli | javispedro: nope, I didn't | 20:58 |
| pupnik_ | SoM down to 15-16 | 20:58 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: version? | 20:58 |
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| pupnik_ | 1.1.1 | 20:58 |
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| pupnik_ | lemme compare | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | damn, so that's is not the snapshot load regression | 20:59 |
| lcuk | c interpreter? | 20:59 |
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| Mac101 | n900 looks sweet :o | 21:00 |
| lcuk | Mac101, indeed | 21:00 |
| lcuk | lickable | 21:00 |
| Mac101 | does maemo have a package manager? | 21:00 |
| javispedro | lcuk: yes, the original implementation of the cpu emulator in C. | 21:00 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: -h 3 is the proper notation for all hacks? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | Mac101, apt :P | 21:00 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: -h yes iirc | 21:00 |
| lcuk | javispedro, interesting | 21:01 |
| lcuk | how clean is it | 21:01 |
| Summeli | javispedro: actualy i did run some tests with thate | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | ahhh - its not a "c language interpreter" its a "cpu interpreter in c" | 21:01 |
| javispedro | Summeli: pocketsnes or snes9x one? | 21:01 |
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| Summeli | javispedro: I had some issues with the asm optimizations, so I used the original c code at first | 21:01 |
| lcuk | hello qwerty12_N810 ! | 21:01 |
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| Mac101 | nice | 21:01 |
| Summeli | javispedro: pocketsness stuff I guess... | 21:01 |
| javispedro | Summeli: have you any benchmarks? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | mac, its got a nice clean gui front end | 21:02 |
| Summeli | javispedro: it's a lot worse | 21:02 |
| javispedro | hm. | 21:02 |
| javispedro | that's the problem. it's not a _lot_ worse here. | 21:02 |
| Mac101 | if i try this in a vm will it give me a good idea of the os thatll be on the n900 or are nokia modding that alot (if anyone knows)? | 21:02 |
| Summeli | I have all that stuff still available under one compilation flag | 21:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hey lcuk | 21:02 |
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| Summeli | javispedro: oh, that's strange | 21:03 |
| javispedro | Summeli: yeah. and worries me I may not be getting all the juice from the asm core. | 21:03 |
| lcuk | Mac101, the sdk is not a complete final product emulator - it is a limited stripped down API compliant subsystem | 21:03 |
| lcuk | for designing apps in | 21:03 |
| Summeli | for symbian the blit takes a lot of cpu power >:( | 21:03 |
| lcuk | javispedro, <pupnik_> drnoksnes getting 48-60 fps in frogger (in #liqbase) | 21:04 |
| Summeli | so it's really easy to see | 21:04 |
| javispedro | Summeli: yeah. RenderTile16, DrawMode7Background, Mode5, you name it. | 21:04 |
| Summeli | that too :) | 21:04 |
| javispedro | potentially accelerated by a good 2d library. the psp does it. | 21:04 |
| Summeli | yeah, I know | 21:05 |
| Mac101 | sorry sdk? i thought this was also a normal linux os? | 21:05 |
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| * Mac101 doesnt know wat sdk is :s | 21:05 | |
| lcuk | then go watch videos on youtube | 21:05 |
| lcuk | drool for a while | 21:06 |
| pupnik_ | lcuk: i hadn't looked at frogger in a while, so that was a fairly silly observation | 21:06 |
| lcuk | walk to nokia store | 21:06 |
| lcuk | hand over cash | 21:06 |
| lcuk | smile | 21:06 |
| pupnik_ | making a benchie | 21:06 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: thanks, will help with regressions. | 21:06 |
| lcuk | javispedro, could you add some stat uploading | 21:07 |
| lcuk | to help monitor | 21:07 |
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| javispedro | buf, orwellian stuff ;) | 21:07 |
| lcuk | appver,game,avg | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | make it optional of course | 21:07 |
| lcuk | but at least you get stats you understand | 21:07 |
| Mac101 | so is this an os i can install in a vm? o.O | 21:07 |
| pupnik_ | i have 2009 08 12, 19, 23, 28 - i overwrote the one before last though i think | 21:08 |
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| pupnik_ | oh, and 08-10 | 21:08 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: forget the older ones, i'm more interesting in the newer (post september) ones | 21:08 |
| pupnik_ | ehm, where can i get them | 21:09 |
| javispedro | extras | 21:09 |
| javispedro | well, | 21:09 |
| lcuk | the repositories! | 21:09 |
| javispedro | store them if they want | 21:09 |
| lcuk | extras-devel | 21:09 |
| pupnik_ | they have older versions? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | every accepted version | 21:09 |
| pupnik_ | maybe a stupid question | 21:09 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 21:09 |
| javispedro | yes, you can pull them with apt-get install program=version | 21:09 |
| pupnik_ | how can i see avail versions? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/d/drnoksnes/ | 21:10 |
| javispedro | apt-cache policy program afaik | 21:10 |
| pupnik_ | maybe i just go to url... hey thanks lcuk | 21:10 |
| javispedro | yeah, or that :D | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | lol | 21:10 |
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| fiferboy | The first version of my pannable-font-selector widget is done, and implemented in countdown-home 0.5-8 | 21:11 |
| fiferboy | (soon to be available) | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | excellent fiferboy \o/ | 21:12 |
| aSIMULAtor | o hello | 21:12 |
| lcuk | lol @ slow reactions | 21:12 |
| lcuk | hiya aSIMULAtor | 21:13 |
| javispedro | oooh. | 21:13 |
| Mac101 | software dev kit! i caught up | 21:13 |
| lcuk | excellent Mac101 | 21:13 |
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| lardman | evening | 21:14 |
| lcuk | hi lardman | 21:14 |
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| lardman | hi lcuk | 21:14 |
| javispedro | heh. | 21:14 |
| lcuk | hows python goin | 21:14 |
| lardman | anyone know what I should use to sort out some automatic source code indentation? | 21:14 |
| lcuk | im ready to throw it in the bin | 21:14 |
| lardman | going back to C now | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | it doubles startup time and breaks tonnes of stuff | 21:14 |
| lcuk | :D hahahaha | 21:14 |
| javispedro | so, the full story is that when I did the cpu vs asm benchmarks, the asm was "handicapped" because of the snapshot load regression | 21:14 |
| lardman | Python works ok, but I think I've worked out where the C was having troubles, so can now address those | 21:15 |
| lardman | python takes too long to start up | 21:15 |
| pupnik_ | javis so 1.0.0, 1.0.2, 1.1.0 and 1.1.1 ? or some other set? | 21:15 |
| * lcuk might see how cfront works nowadays | 21:15 | |
| javispedro | so now that I've repeated the test, yes, the C core is nearly 1/2 slower. | 21:15 |
| pupnik_ | include 0.95? | 21:15 |
| lcuk | maybe bring it with a c99 compiler and preprocessor model | 21:15 |
| lardman | what's the recommended C ide on Linux? | 21:15 |
| lardman | or even just editor? | 21:15 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: no, was mostly gui fixed iirc. | 21:15 |
| lardman | something that can sort out indentation would be nice | 21:15 |
| lcuk | i like komodo | 21:16 |
| lcuk | but most editors do indentation | 21:16 |
| lcuk | do you need project management | 21:16 |
| lcuk | or just editing | 21:16 |
| Summeli | javispedro: that's about same what I had | 21:16 |
| lardman | it is the bacterial bite? | 21:16 |
| lardman | gedit doens't | 21:16 |
| lcuk | komodo is a nice editor | 21:16 |
| lcuk | i made it look like the vb classic ide :$ | 21:16 |
| javispedro | Summeli: ok. *relief* :) | 21:16 |
| lcuk | and it has keyword completion | 21:17 |
| lardman | I don't need the whole ide, just some syntax colouring and indentation control | 21:17 |
| lcuk | within the file im in at least | 21:17 |
| lcuk | z4chh really likes geany | 21:17 |
| lcuk | thats quite simple and dev oriented | 21:17 |
| javispedro | pupnik_: ok, 1.0.0 and 1.0.2 should be as speedy. 1.1.0 should be dead slow (the snapshot load bug I've been talking about), and 1.1.1 should be only a bit slower than 1.0.x series | 21:18 |
| Summeli | I think that there was similar results in the original gp2x forums too | 21:18 |
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| pupnik_ | ok then i use 3 | 21:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: can you hit an menu option "indent whole file" and it will sort out messy/non-standard indentation? | 21:19 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: i'd suggest 1.0.2 and 1.1.1 | 21:19 |
| lcuk | i would love to do that | 21:19 |
| lcuk | i havent seen a decent prettyprinter menu in ages tho | 21:19 |
| lcuk | you would have to have a look | 21:19 |
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| * GeneralAntilles sighs at Freenode. | 21:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's been close to two years and we still haven't heard anything from them. | 21:24 |
| Mac101 | will the version of maemo that appears on the n900 be completely open source? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not gonna get to have my council cloak. :( | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Mac101: no. | 21:24 |
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| lardman | lcuk: http://astyle.sourceforge.net/ | 21:24 |
| Mac101 | will it be open source at all? | 21:24 |
| lcuk | yeah i saw that a while ago | 21:25 |
| lcuk | but was not strong enough to compile lol | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Mac101: there are a number of closed source bits. However, mer - the allied open-source-only project will probably run on n900 at some point int he future | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Mac101: 'most' of it is poen-source - and you can run your own apps that you compile on the device if you so choose. | 21:25 |
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| Mac101 | ah i see | 21:26 |
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| Mac101 | so hrm anone know if all the apps will be free or there will be like an app store? | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | There will be an app store. | 21:27 |
| RST38h | "Unsurprisingly, Gyms Don't Like iPod Nano's Video Recording Inside Locker Rooms" | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | But also free apps | 21:27 |
| * RST38h rotfls | 21:27 | |
| * javispedro forgot what he was supposed to do now | 21:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | Both apps that are free as in beer, free as in speech, and free as in willy. | 21:28 |
| * qwerty12_N810 will pass on the free willies | 21:28 | |
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| Mac101 | are the apps currently in the download section all free/open source (and will remian that way when the fone hits)? | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jesus christ I hate Wikipedia so much. | 21:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | As I understand it - there are few apps available for download, and at the moment, none charge | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Canola deleted without explanation. | 21:34 |
| Mac101 | ok thx | 21:34 |
| Mac101 | ah 1 more thing i could compile mplayer on this fone? | 21:34 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, its just an app | 21:36 |
| lcuk | chill | 21:36 |
| lcuk | liqbase isnt even there | 21:36 |
| * lcuk never panics | 21:37 | |
| RST38h | javis: You were supposed to add scaling to OpenTTD ;))) | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's not about the app, it's about the principle. | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's just delete shit people have put a lot of time and effort into without discussion. | 21:37 |
| RST38h | General: by whom? | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some random admin. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | some people have far too much time on their hands | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | They seem to love to storm in and piss all over my work then storm right back out. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | i deleted half of liqbase for same reason | 21:37 |
| RST38h | [with thick Russian accent] ze bazaaaaaarrrrrr | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bunch of teapot dictators on wikipedia. | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | don't forget the grammar nazis | 21:38 |
| keesj | if lcuk never panics it's because he is not a kernel | 21:38 |
| RST38h | does he dump core then? | 21:38 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns | 21:39 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh | 21:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're going to tell the group contact processing team that I asked about it. | 21:39 |
| keesj | SIGSEGV | 21:39 |
| javispedro | RST38h: aw, yes. thanks for remindign! | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | keesj, guru meditation | 21:40 |
| unixSnob | what's the best way to get from london to amsterdam? are there any small cheap airlines, like skyeurope or wizzair operating between london and amsterdam? | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Canola_(software) | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Of course only admins can find that freaking discussion. | 21:41 |
| javispedro | wtf? they now delete deletion discussion pages? | 21:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 21:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles takes Wikipedia off his list of projects worth contributing to. | 21:43 | |
| javispedro | (aw, sorry, should have copy&pasted the full link) :P | 21:43 |
| javispedro | Please, IP, I ask you to show multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. Not nerds, blogs, documentation and forums. | 21:44 |
| javispedro | what???????''' | 21:44 |
| jaska | Delete Non-notable and Wikipedia isn't a software directory. <- bullshit, it contains tons of articles about various pieces of software | 21:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm tempted to list a dozen other software articles on there that are less notable than Canola | 21:45 |
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| GeneralAntilles | but I know they'll just delete them. | 21:45 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: everybody does them. then they ban you. | 21:45 |
| javispedro | s/them/that. | 21:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Already been baned once by one hyperactive admin. | 21:46 |
| * SpeedEvil is sure he commented on that deletion review. | 21:46 | |
| SpeedEvil | But I can find no mention. | 21:46 |
| javispedro | fork! Sanepedia. | 21:46 |
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| Sho_ | Macer: sorry, got distracted -- yeah, KOffice runs on Windows | 21:48 |
| * Stskeeps passes qwerty12_N810 a cookie | 21:48 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm welcome to continue working on it in my sandbox. | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, all done with wikipedia. ;) | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol, thanks Stskeeps | 21:48 |
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| Stskeeps | np, you deserve one | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get why wikipedia is so delete-happy. | 21:49 |
| Myrtti | there are reasons for it... | 21:50 |
| javispedro | their rootfs is 99%? =) | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, so far the only good wikipedia admins have done me is take all of the fun out of contributing. | 21:52 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: don't be mean, I used to be a wikipedia admin | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | That Umptious issue on Maemo left a sour taste in my mouth. | 21:52 |
| Myrtti | I'm fairly sure the canola article would not have been deleted from finnish wikipedia | 21:53 |
| RST38h | General: Administering things is easier and more satisfying than content creation | 21:53 |
| RST38h | General: that's why | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, I didn't mean to imply that all admins are bad | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | only that my dealings with them have now driven me away from contributing to the project. | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Combined with the fact that on the Net nobody knows you are a dog or a masturbating teenager, you have got the perfect environment for pissing contests | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | and deletion is never decided by admins, if there's any implication that the article might actually have some merits | 21:54 |
| RST38h | General: Think of their actions as marking their territory | 21:54 |
| Myrtti | from my experience the most problematic people are the *wannabe* admins | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, unfortunately the admin in question is seemingly dismissive of anybody he considers a "nerd". | 21:55 |
| Myrtti | or people who base their actions to "this is correct, because meatball" | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cirt#Canola_deletion | 21:56 |
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| Myrtti | wow, so little votes! | 21:57 |
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| javispedro | The microSDHC card can be formated with a supported file system such as ext2, ext3, FAT16 and FAT32.[citation needed] | 22:00 |
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| javispedro | *sigh* | 22:00 |
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| * javispedro considers pointing that to linux source tree. | 22:00 | |
| Myrtti | that's just sad, that they've deleted it based on so little opinions | 22:01 |
| Myrtti | or votes | 22:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not impressed by the project. | 22:03 |
| Myrtti | well, I've never been too active in the en. anyway | 22:05 |
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| Myrtti | an example of a vote for deletion in fi. (about reply image macros) http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poistettavat_sivut/Replykuva | 22:06 |
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| Myrtti | (quite a difference) | 22:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's too bad, but they're only hurting themselves. | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Barack_Obama_Joker_poster | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love it. | 22:09 |
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| javispedro | bah, politics | 22:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 22:14 |
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| lardman | lcuk: astyle does the job very nicely, once you work out the myriad options | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | yeah but those options mean your code doesnt look like my code | 22:24 |
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| lardman | you can probably produce a certain set of settings to exactly encapsulate your "style" ;) | 22:33 |
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| javispedro | lol, wp admin forgot to delete canola from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_(disambiguation) | 22:39 |
| RST38h | just recreate the damn article | 22:39 |
| Myrtti | it'll be deleted as trash | 22:41 |
| Myrtti | what's to be done is to suggest a vote of inclusion or reverting | 22:41 |
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| RST38h | just forget the whole thing | 22:44 |
| RST38h | leave petty dictators to themselves | 22:44 |
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| lardman | if I want to check the start of a C string for some other string, would I look at the value of strstr? | 22:45 |
| Myrtti | I don't really care either way, just mentioned that it'll be deleted as trash as the previous vote for deletion decided it's not notable - if you want to fight that decision you need to suggest a vote for inclusion | 22:46 |
| Myrtti | which would probably be denied per not enough edits to be eligble for such suggestion... | 22:46 |
| Myrtti | anyway, I'll just slink back into my troll hole | 22:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thanks, Myrtti. | 22:47 |
| RST38h | lardman: I would do it by hand | 22:48 |
| lardman | element by element? | 22:49 |
| lardman | I need to compare against 3 possible 3-char-long strings | 22:49 |
| RST38h | lardman: you can try casting to ints | 22:50 |
| RST38h | lardman: just be sure strings are aligned | 22:50 |
| lardman | I want to do this, or something like this :) : | 22:50 |
| lardman | if (strstr(data,"979")==data | strstr(data,"978")==data | strstr(data,"977")==data){ | 22:50 |
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| RST38h | strstr is a bad idea in this case | 22:51 |
| RST38h | actually... just compare characters. If it is only 3 chars, do char-by-char compare | 22:51 |
| lardman | ok, just looks messy ;) | 22:51 |
| RST38h | it is ok, it should be faster | 22:52 |
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| keesj | SpeedEvil: I looked a little more at http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ I don't really see GPIO functionality | 22:52 |
| keesj | also it looks like I need a usb-stick to boot from (1MB) is probably now enough for me(unless I use some rtos) | 22:53 |
| lardman | not so bad: if (data[0]==9 & data[1]==7 & (data[2]==7 | data[2]==8 | data[2]==9)){ | 22:53 |
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| wazd | konttori_: heya, around? :) | 22:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: you told that you can make theme .deb :P | 22:54 |
| keesj | lardman: don't you mean to use && ? | 22:54 |
| wdehoog | I am trying to add a new app to downloads but uploading a screen shot already takes 15 min. should I wait or retry? | 22:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yep | 22:54 |
| lardman | ah yeah, wrong lang | 22:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: what should I provide, .png? | 22:54 |
| lardman | thanks | 22:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: Send me the files, with description where each file goes | 22:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: wah!) | 22:55 |
| keesj | so also || perhaps | 22:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: On the device that is | 22:55 |
| lardman | keesj: indeed :) | 22:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: maybe you can just run Theme Maker under linux? :) | 22:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: Java? No Java. | 22:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/497512.html?thread=14357608#t14357608 | 22:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: r_az_r <- that's me :D | 22:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Will Linux theme maker automatically create a deb? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah, thought so =) | 22:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: Urho said yep | 22:56 |
| RST38h | all right, let me try istalling goddamn thing | 22:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: how do you know bout automatic checkbox? Are you sneaking something? :D | 22:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: Let us say I have seen a screenshot | 22:57 |
| wazd | Eldar is really dumb | 22:58 |
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| RST38h | Just full of himself. I wonder how long we can keep this on until he goes into anal defense | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | keesj: yes, it doesn't really have any GPIO - well - there are maybe 4-6 pins if you hack it. But you need external USB IO. | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | keesj: or a companion chip | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | keesj: it's really made for plugging a hard drive and a net connection into - which it works well for | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Ehh...how do I run this .jar crap? | 23:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | java -jar java.jar | 23:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, sreiously, I told him that I'm neither maemo team nor nokia developer and he keep saying this. | 23:00 |
| jaska | suddenly im reminded of a certain disgusting star wars character | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: You'll be happy to know, since you don't like Java, that the official theme layout/tools use autotools :p | 23:01 |
| RST38h | found it...the PC is screeching like it is gonna die | 23:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: He is now suspicious of everybody, suspects we are all sellouts | 23:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: That is normal, you should see ru_mac people for reference =) | 23:02 |
| javispedro | which you are! ;) | 23:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ok, I managed to run this abomination. What do I do next? | 23:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: the bad thing that he's quoting me as I'm a nokia dev | 23:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: great, wait a sec | 23:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ask him specific questions. | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Very specific. He claims you are Nokia dev? Point him to your blog or something. | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | wazd: The moment he has to answer a specific question, he loses it. | 23:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: Can you read /msgs? | 23:06 |
| * timeless eventually arrives in poland and clears border patrol | 23:06 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, good job on hiding the weed and cigs | 23:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: read what?) PMs? | 23:08 |
| RST38h | wazd: IRC /msgs | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Oh damn you are using miranda | 23:08 |
| wazd | RST38h: dunno :) | 23:09 |
| RST38h | wazd: Check around your miranda, it should have a window or a tab with msgs | 23:09 |
| frals | wow, russian really is moonspeak | 23:09 |
| lardman | wazd: or your client can go TU like mine and not show them | 23:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: Çàïðîñ CTCP VERSION îò RST38h | 23:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: is that it? | 23:10 |
| thresh | frals: ORLY? | 23:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: That is me checking your client version | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Anyone uses Miranda.IRC and knows how to make it show private /msgs ? | 23:10 |
| frals | *runs it thru googletranslate* | 23:11 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: in that case, may I suggest upgrading? :) | 23:11 |
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| Komzzpa | а чего такого страшного в русском? :) | 23:11 |
| thresh | вот и я не понимаю | 23:11 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: nah, just the wonders of having to occasionally run under Windows ;) | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | suka | 23:11 |
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| lardman | wow, I can even see Russian in xchat, good skills | 23:12 |
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| * RST38h can't, this xterm does not support it | 23:12 | |
| wazd | oops | 23:12 |
| RST38h | Found it? | 23:12 |
| RST38h | Vidno? | 23:13 |
| wazd | yep :) | 23:13 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Don't you get depressed looking at ircII and its über boring looks? :) | 23:14 |
| RST38h | qwerty: No, I have lots other things to look at my desktop =) | 23:14 |
| RST38h | qwery: Besides, complicated clients confuse me | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Put it this way: If I was IRCing into the early morning, I would not use ircII :) | 23:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: What fonts should I use for it? | 23:15 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I am an old fart used to VT100 | 23:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, I think it will work without fonts | 23:16 |
| RST38h | ok | 23:16 |
| wazd | RST38h: but you have to attach icons | 23:16 |
| igagis | Hi | 23:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: ThemeMaker stuck at 1% | 23:18 |
| RST38h | is it normal? | 23:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh | 23:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: no | 23:18 |
| igagis | does any one want to beta-test new release of theremin app? | 23:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: have you attached icons and wallpaper? | 23:19 |
| RST38h | No, it says they are optional | 23:19 |
| RST38h | And I have not got any from you | 23:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: no they are not :D | 23:19 |
| RST38h | BTW, /msg me your email for inclusion | 23:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: wallpaper file is in Theme Maker folder | 23:19 |
| RST38h | ok | 23:19 |
| wazd | igagis: I want! :D | 23:19 |
| igagis | :-) | 23:20 |
| igagis | wazd: version 1.4 is in extras-devel, you are welcome to install it | 23:20 |
| wazd | igagis: I forgot, weren't you the guy who rocked with Theremin in Spb? :) | 23:20 |
| igagis | wazd: yes, it is me | 23:20 |
| wazd | igagis: oh, great, nice to see you here :) | 23:20 |
| wazd | igagis: I was right after you in this session :) | 23:21 |
| igagis | wazd: nice to see you too, I remember your impressive talk about ui :-) | 23:21 |
| igagis | wazd: yes, I remember | 23:21 |
| RST38h | Jeez, this thememaker thing is buggy... | 23:21 |
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| RST38h | ok it is running | 23:23 |
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| wazd | RST38h: now I guess you can test it in the SDK | 23:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | WTF | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Canonical's Moblin Netbook Remix" | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 23:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/23/dell-announces-moblin-mini-10v-at-idf/ | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | not surprised | 23:32 |
| Robot101 | canonical is one of the moblin vendors | 23:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ugh http://maemo.org/community/community-projects/garage_faq/ | 23:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? | 23:37 |
| X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Sorry, it'll have to wait until tomorrow. Just going to sleep ;) | 23:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Spam. . . . | 23:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Everyone knows it was placed there by X-Fade who is getting paid for it and wants it to get enough views before he has to remove it in the morning ;) | 23:39 |
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| X-Fade | Shouldn't we just remove this page? | 23:40 |
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| RST38h | dpkg-deb: Mach-O executable i386 | 23:42 |
| * RST38h facepalms | 23:42 | |
| RST38h | wazd: Send it to konttori, ask HIM to do it. | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, probably. | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to do a content sprint before the Summit. . . | 23:43 |
| X-Fade | Setting rights to user only. | 23:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Tell him he is a hopeless Java lover and a mac nut. | 23:43 |
| penguinbait | shutdown -h now | 23:43 |
| javispedro | shutdown: cannot shutdown | 23:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ask him to learn a real programming language and get himself a real computer, like DEC Alpha or HP Apollo or sometihing... | 23:44 |
| penguinbait | yup I can | 23:44 |
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| * RST38h cackles | 23:44 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: why? AppleScript is so much better. | 23:44 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Except that his binaries do not run on plain x86 Ubuntu =) | 23:44 |
| javispedro | but but but but but Mach-O binaries should just work! | 23:45 |
| javispedro | ;) | 23:45 |
| RST38h | In Steve Jobs bowels they do | 23:45 |
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| pupnik | i saw some disblo updates today. thanks | 23:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, thanks for trying anyway :) | 23:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: I can try doing it by hand, actually | 23:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: But it will take a bit more time, so tomorrow probably | 23:47 |
| javispedro | not only that, but you can get your ubuntu native dpkg-deb ? | 23:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: don't waste your time :) | 23:47 |
| RST38h | it's ok, I am curious. | 23:48 |
| pupnik | upgrade ssh and xchat | 23:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: You mean it is not his proggy? | 23:48 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ah, dunno if he modified it. but dpkg-deb is a debian app at least. | 23:49 |
| RST38h | let me see... | 23:49 |
| RST38h | javispedro: java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "./dpkg-deb" | 23:50 |
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| * RST38h facepalms with both hands now | 23:50 | |
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| * javispedro dunnos and suggests a full java dissassembly done by a certified pro java developer | 23:52 | |
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| javispedro | ;) | 23:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: DONE IT | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, don't tell me, you happen to know one who's available? :P | 23:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: nowai :) | 23:53 |
| RST38h | Yes, please tell me, I will go and exterminate that guy | 23:53 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I happen to know enough of them to fill a few full-sized trucks ;) | 23:53 |
| RST38h | javispedro: intact or hashed? | 23:54 |
| javispedro | in working condition. | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ...then one is free to blow up said trucks! | 23:54 |
| javispedro | but won't anybody think of the java developers!!! ;) | 23:55 |
| Myrtti | since I've saturated almost every other communication media with my rants, WHY O WHYYYYY Panucci is such a huge heap of steaming shit on Diablo? | 23:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You haven't used the Konami Code | 23:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, not much incentive to fix Diablo stuff anymore. :( | 23:56 |
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| RST38h | wazd: check mail | 23:57 |
| Myrtti | if it's as big pile of shit in Fremantle, I'll be demanding MY MONEY BACK! | 23:57 |
| Myrtti | :-< | 23:57 |
| RST38h | General: Bigger screen. | 23:57 |
| RST38h | qwerty: You mean Konami assembly code? Used it. =) | 23:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, GPLv4 should come with a money-back guarantee. | 23:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Now try using it in Panucci, a Python program :p | 23:59 |
| Myrtti | GeneralAntilles: INDEED! | 23:59 |
| RST38h | Python. Better than Java. | 23:59 |
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