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| orangey | any idea how I can get my home directory onto MMC? | 00:09 |
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| orangey | my mmc2 is ext3 | 00:09 |
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| pupnik_ | i wouldn't try it | 00:11 |
| pupnik_ | just symlink subdirs of /home/user to /media/mmc2/whatever | 00:11 |
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| FireFox16 | people on FEFNet are sssooooooo rude >:( | 01:08 |
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| eichi | FireFox16, ? | 01:13 |
| FireFox16 | hm? | 01:14 |
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| andre__ | Sigh, there's so much stuff in Fremantle Extras-Devel that does not install in Fremantle because of missing python2.5-osso or python2.5-gstreamer... and I wonder how to work this out. | 01:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: I may be able to help if you were to send the kitchen sink this way =) | 01:16 |
| andre__ | ehehe | 01:17 |
| andre__ | well, currently testing some extras-devel apps here. and many fail to install | 01:17 |
| FireFox16 | eichi: the moment i joined a channel on that server someone banned me | 01:17 |
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| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, especially the python app situation still looks ugly :-/ | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :\ | 01:18 |
| andre__ | ...and filing a few bug reports / sending emails to maintainers about other stuff... | 01:18 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I thought the Fremantle python packages were meant to provide python2.5-<module> | 01:19 |
| andre__ | good question | 01:19 |
| andre__ | python-osso *is* available. python2.5-osso is not. | 01:19 |
| andre__ | don't know about the naming scheme here, and wondering who to ask | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | IIRC, lizardo (who doesn't appear to be around) does the packaging | 01:20 |
| andre__ | i should ping him tomorrow. or just file a bug against pymaemo now. well, probably first option is better... | 01:21 |
| andre__ | because this has been a problem for weeks... | 01:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep, took a quick look through http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages and python2.5-hildon is provided by python-hildon but python-osso does not provide anything | 01:24 |
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| MaceN8x0 | well | 02:35 |
| MaceN8x0 | gentoo is kicking ass again haha | 02:35 |
| erik____1 | Hi | 02:35 |
| Robot101 | MaceN8x0: at what? | 02:35 |
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| MaceN8x0 | well | 02:35 |
| MaceN8x0 | i can use the n810 qwerty | 02:36 |
| erik____1 | I am using GTK+/hildon, I am putting different gtkwidgets into containers such a GtkHBox | 02:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | so that is a treat | 02:36 |
| erik____1 | How do I specify the size allocated to the objects ? | 02:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | i need to make a hax0r theme for fluxbox | 02:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 02:36 |
| MaceN8x0 | mer is better for that portable device feel but gentoo feels more like a slow computer haha | 02:37 |
| javispedro | erik____1, I don't believe there's any difference between normal Gtk and Maemo Gtk in GtkHBox. | 02:38 |
| javispedro | check gtk_widget_set_size_request | 02:39 |
| erik____1 | javispedro: ok, thanks | 02:39 |
| erik____1 | I am still a bit lost in gtk api | 02:39 |
| javispedro | yep, it's hard | 02:40 |
| erik____1 | I did a bit of swing (java) but it was a while | 02:41 |
| MaceN8x0 | i need to learn how to turn the mouse pointer off | 02:41 |
| javispedro | MaceN8x0, it is my belief they do that in Maemo by just setting a 100% transparent cursor | 02:42 |
| MaceN8x0 | hm | 02:43 |
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| lcuk | .. | 02:47 |
| lcuk | ( '`< hello rkirti | 02:47 |
| lcuk | )( | 02:47 |
| lcuk | ( ----' '. | 02:47 |
| lcuk | ( ; | 02:47 |
| lcuk | (_______,' | 02:47 |
| lcuk | ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ | 02:47 |
| MaceN8x0 | go gentoo go | 02:48 |
| MaceN8x0 | building stuff again blh | 02:48 |
| * lcuk is building a package over ssh | 02:49 | |
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| FireFox16 | lcuk: LOL | 02:51 |
| rkirti | lcuk: wow :) | 02:51 |
| lcuk | well you started the war :P | 02:52 |
| rkirti | lcuk: well, I am not cribbing - helps me better my ascii art :P | 02:52 |
| lcuk | hah | 02:53 |
| javispedro | is that the titanic? | 02:54 |
| rkirti | javispedro: looks more like a speaking duck to me | 02:55 |
| lcuk | i'd go with duck :) | 02:56 |
| javispedro | it all depends on your monospaced typeface | 02:56 |
| javispedro | :) | 02:56 |
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| ronison | hi guys | 03:03 |
| ronison | i'd like to know about mer 0.16 release... | 03:03 |
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| ArSa | what do i have to do to run ARMEL QT4 in maemo vm? (in scratchbox). is that even possible, or should i switch back to x86 target for development. | 05:02 |
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| Luke-Jr | ArSa: you should probably really just be writing a normal Qt4 app | 05:32 |
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| ArSa | i am ok, no problem. just trying to figure out the darn issue with esbox not finding the module i installed (pyqt4). it's visible everywhere, but for some reason not visible to esbox. trying to narrow it down. | 05:44 |
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| zerojayPC | ArSa: Did you install it IN scratchbox? | 06:16 |
| ArSa | yep, apt-get of all things that i think are neccesary too | 06:18 |
| ArSa | well | 06:18 |
| ArSa | actually, i installed it in the VM running scratchbox | 06:18 |
| ArSa | was looking for a way to install it in scratchbox, but haven't foudn one | 06:18 |
| zerojayPC | fakeroot apt-get install pyqt4 | 06:19 |
| zerojayPC | Run from scratchbox. | 06:19 |
| ArSa | ah... | 06:20 |
| ArSa | damn, /scratchbox/login | 06:20 |
| ArSa | yeah, i am all new to this, sorry :) haven't dealt with scratchbox before at all | 06:22 |
| zerojayPC | It's cool. it's all in the development manual on the wiki. | 06:22 |
| ArSa | oh... i thought i read it all | 06:24 |
| ArSa | you mean scratchbox wiki? | 06:24 |
| ArSa | maemo wiki probably | 06:24 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, maemo wiki. | 06:25 |
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| StsN810 | morning | 06:36 |
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| tigert | morning | 08:37 |
| johnx | morning tigert | 08:39 |
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| johnx | I live in the future: streamed last.fm while tethered, going down the freeway at 60mi/h, and wasn't even getting 3G. put a real smile on my face :D | 09:26 |
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| Proteous_ | livin the dream | 09:27 |
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| aol | I've IRCed from airplane over atlantic | 09:40 |
| aol | that was the future, but sadly nowadays it's the past | 09:40 |
| johnx | it's the future again | 09:41 |
| aol | as the Connexion by Boeing was discontinued | 09:41 |
| aol | well yeah, distant future :) | 09:41 |
| johnx | seems like most everything is getting wifi/aircell these days | 09:41 |
| johnx | nah, virgin has it again already | 09:41 |
| johnx | some others too | 09:41 |
| aol | over atlantic too? | 09:41 |
| aol | or just mainland usa? | 09:41 |
| johnx | actually, probably only over land. | 09:41 |
| johnx | didn't really think about that | 09:42 |
| aol | yeah, the connexion was cool as it worked over seas too, it was satellite based | 09:42 |
| johnx | I'm just mad I just missed out on the freaking concorde | 09:42 |
| aol | I used it on my way from home (Finland) to Usa on my conference trips few times | 09:42 |
| aol | time just flied surfing and chatting | 09:42 |
| Luke-Jr | that would really suck for ping times while you're gaming | 09:42 |
| Luke-Jr | :þ | 09:42 |
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| aol | well yeah round time was preeeetty long | 09:43 |
| aol | but that was satellite so it's expected | 09:43 |
| johnx | when I was a kid I was like "and I'll save up enough money to fly on the concorde one day!" then they go and cancel the whole thing | 09:43 |
| aol | johnx: :D | 09:43 |
| Proteous_ | that ping can mean the difference between wining and getting pwoned when playing scrabble on facebook | 09:43 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 09:43 |
| aol | Proteous_: :D | 09:44 |
| johnx | Proteous_, for sure. anyone who plays scrabble "turn based" must be a nub | 09:44 |
| Proteous_ | lol | 09:44 |
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| Luke-Jr | … | 09:46 |
| * slonopotamus drinks morning coffee and yawns | 09:50 | |
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| ds3 | better ways to go mach1+... you can always sign some papers and fly it for free ;) | 09:56 |
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| johnx | or maybe old uncle sam wouldn't mind if I took one of those keen F35 prototypes for a little "test drive" | 09:58 |
| johnx | still the concorde had range and style | 09:58 |
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| brbrbr | keep in mind, for what Concorde intentionally designed for ;) as strategic bomber ;P | 09:59 |
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| brbrbr | forgot exact number. B-49 ? | 09:59 |
| johnx | maybe I could pick up an SR71 at auction when I get stupid-rich | 09:59 |
| jaska | i want a revamped xb-70 :) | 09:59 |
| brbrbr | not may SR71 left operational. and only one F12 | 10:00 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 10:09 |
| brbrbr | hi | 10:09 |
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| ds3 | concordes don't do midair refuel so range is a tad bit limited | 10:17 |
| ds3 | then there is the issue of those fragile fuel tanks that can't handle a little debris | 10:17 |
| brbrbr | because load alot less, they dont need mid-air refuel, like modern strategic bombers doesnt, until ridingh thru diffirent hemipheres | 10:18 |
| brbrbr | but medium mombers need refuel, like backfire, volcano, and etc | 10:18 |
| brbrbr | meant"less than in passenger variant" | 10:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:28 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa, morning | 10:37 |
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| tigert | hmm | 11:16 |
| tigert | who was hacking on the fremantle version of gpodder? | 11:16 |
| tigert | I have a suggestion for the ui | 11:16 |
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| JamieBennett | That would be Thomas Perl - http://maemo.org/profile/view/thp/ | 11:17 |
| tigert | ok | 11:18 |
| tigert | he doesnt irc? | 11:18 |
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| inz | tigert, seems to irc, but not on #maemo | 11:18 |
| tigert | ok | 11:18 |
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| Andy80 | where can I find an updated devhelp file for Hildon docs? | 11:24 |
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| x29a | intresting: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/21/1155217 | 11:59 |
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| Macer | damn | 12:11 |
| Macer | libproxy failed to build | 12:11 |
| Macer | wtf. not even going to use a proxy | 12:12 |
| Macer | heh | 12:12 |
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| AchipA | is it just me, or is the autobuilder (at least for diablo) being quirky ? uploaded into queue, disappeared from queue, but no report nor package... | 12:35 |
| X-Fade | AchipA: What package? | 12:38 |
| AchipA | X-Fade: fftw3 | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | AchipA: That is still building. | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | AchipA: The queue page actually shows package in the waiting queue. | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | I know, a bit lame :) | 12:42 |
| AchipA | X-Fade: ah... I didn't see it in the 'build queue' on that assistant page and presumed it's done... | 12:43 |
| eichi_ | i hate the fuc*ing foil on display. dont get it on the display without a lot of crab between foil and dispkay | 12:49 |
| X-Fade | eichi_: Heh, make sure you're not in a dusty environment. | 12:50 |
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| eichi_ | then i should leave my room and go to the bathroom maybe | 12:54 |
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| RST38h | Moo all again | 13:29 |
| pupnik_ | moo | 13:31 |
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| pupnik_ | RST38h: http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/drnoksnes-20090823.gz | 13:31 |
| pupnik_ | speedups, added --audio-rate=Hz | 13:31 |
| pupnik_ | check out how the audio continues even if system is overloaded | 13:32 |
| pupnik_ | 24000 hz is my current favorite (1/2 of native 48k rate) | 13:32 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Still in .GR, can't check :( | 13:39 |
| RST38h | And I have found that Vodafone only gives you 30MB of traffic on their "internet plan" and then starts charging about 1 euro per MB | 13:39 |
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| pupnik_ | yeah my provider hid that from me | 13:40 |
| * RST38h is currently trying to use the cosmote.gr SIM card, but these guys appear to be terminal idiots who actively DO NOT want anyone to use their "services" | 13:40 | |
| radic | Stskeeps: you're awake? | 13:40 |
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| jophish | IS it possible to use /dev/mtdblk4/ as swap, the internal flash. I am booting off the internal card | 13:46 |
| RST38h | Aaaaaaaa..... | 13:49 |
| RST38h | God, please, kill them all. | 13:49 |
| RST38h | Burn their wireless towers to the ground and seal the spots where they had those towers with huge iron corks | 13:50 |
| jophish | hmm? | 13:50 |
| RST38h | (not asking God to do anything about their website as it is already taken care by the Satan) | 13:50 |
| jophish | who? | 13:51 |
| RST38h | cosmote.gr | 13:51 |
| jophish | it does look pretty bad | 13:51 |
| RST38h | It looks even worse once you try to find anything there | 13:52 |
| RST38h | Like, try finding a way to enable internet access | 13:52 |
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| andre__ | lizardo, there's a lot of stuff in Fremantle Extras-Devel that does not install because of missing python2.5-osso or python2.5-gstreamer... are there any plans to provide these? | 13:52 |
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| RST38h | And customer support does not answer at all, I have waited for 30 minutes in a row | 13:53 |
| lizardo | andre__: actually they are there ... with the Provides AFAIK, can you give some examples so we can take a look? | 13:53 |
| andre__ | uh | 13:53 |
| andre__ | lizardo, moment, sure | 13:54 |
| andre__ | lizardo, is there a better channel? like #pymaemo or something? | 13:54 |
| lizardo | andre__: we have #pymaemo ;) | 13:54 |
| lizardo | andre__: but now I see that python-osso is missing a Provides... will fix it | 13:55 |
| andre__ | lizardo, oh cool | 13:55 |
| andre__ | so there's python2.5-gstreamer and python2.5-libxml left on my list | 13:55 |
| lizardo | andre__: yeah, pygstreamer is also missing the Provides... how strange, I was almost sure they were there :/ let me see python-xml now | 13:56 |
| AchipA | X-Fade: whoa, finished, took almost 2 hours. Not gonna rebuild that anytime soon :) | 13:57 |
| lizardo | andre__: python-xml has Provides: python2.5-xml , so could you provide an example package that is not finding python2.5-xml ? | 13:59 |
| lizardo | andre__: oh, you menat libxml | 13:59 |
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| javispedro | moo all | 13:59 |
| andre__ | lizardo, yeah, i try to remember which package that was yesterday. damn. give me a few minutes :) | 13:59 |
| lizardo | andre__: we only have python-xml :/ no python-libxml (they are different bindings) | 14:00 |
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| pupnik_ | i understand telecoms playing god with their users | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | it's evil but certainly a human temptation | 14:03 |
| pupnik_ | as any admin should know | 14:03 |
| lizardo | andre__: that package depending on python2.5-libxml is very strange... this never package was never imported to extras/extras-devel, even on Diablo | 14:03 |
| javispedro | pupnik_, hi. have you seen what happens with 8000hz and esd? lol | 14:04 |
| javispedro | something is rotten in libesd/sdl esd backend. | 14:04 |
| javispedro | i've put my headphones on and am trying to understand what's going on | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | well there's some mechanism for a sound server to notify app that buffer is empty | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | then it gets complicated with the layers | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | heck dude, ship it. :) it's so good. | 14:06 |
| pupnik_ | well, for commandline folks | 14:06 |
| javispedro | yeah (damn I could not believe mario kart intro music sounds so good), but alsa wreacks every often | 14:06 |
| javispedro | requiring a reboot | 14:07 |
| pupnik_ | yes here too | 14:08 |
| andre__ | lizardo, flipclock in Fremantle Extras-Devel says "App packages missing: python2.5-osso, python2.5-gstreamer, python2.5-xml (>= 0.8.4-1osso8)" | 14:08 |
| andre__ | lcuk, hej hej :) | 14:08 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: usually after i let the device go into powersave while emu is running - perhaps | 14:08 |
| javispedro | mplayer is using sdl & esd backend afaik, so maybe I could learn a thing from them. | 14:08 |
| RepMace | fuck | 14:09 |
| RepMace | my fucking server went down | 14:09 |
| RepMace | and i cant get there | 14:09 |
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| RepMace | sonofabitch | 14:09 |
| javispedro | or maybe discard sdla and drive libesd directly. | 14:09 |
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| javispedro | I think I got it | 14:14 |
| javispedro | buffer_size | 14:14 |
| javispedro | how does n8x0's alsa dsp calculate mmap_buffer_size? | 14:15 |
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| RepMace | wow | 14:17 |
| RepMace | i had to | 14:17 |
| RepMace | get someone to restart it | 14:17 |
| RepMace | this sucks | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | Nokia Booklet (Netbook): http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1336683 | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | So there it is ... | 14:18 |
| javispedro | wow, fresh news again | 14:18 |
| RepMace | is it x86? | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | Atom | 14:18 |
| RepMace | fail | 14:18 |
| javispedro | atom... fail. | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | 12hr battery life apparently | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | *cough* | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | 3G | 14:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | windows | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | HDMI | 14:19 |
| RepMace | jaffa | 14:19 |
| RepMace | it fails | 14:19 |
| javispedro | windows. | 14:19 |
| javispedro | enuff said. | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I was scanning for that - didn't see it in the press release | 14:19 |
| javispedro | Jaffa, check first paragraph. | 14:19 |
| RepMace | who cares about hdmi when an atom cant even play hd movies? | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, just saw it :-/ | 14:19 |
| RepMace | too bad | 14:20 |
| RepMace | and i bet nokia is going to take the apple route | 14:20 |
| RepMace | where they charge 2x the price for hardware | 14:20 |
| RepMace | heh | 14:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm glad this announcement is over with, but where's the announcement that we all want to see ;) | 14:21 |
| javispedro | too bad. i was pondering wheter they'll ship maemo or moblin due to their intel deal. but guess again. | 14:21 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: wasd takes getting used-to, but saves years of wear on the thumb | 14:21 |
| javispedro | hehe | 14:22 |
| javispedro | will try :) | 14:22 |
| pupnik_ | might even consider a diagonals-hack | 14:23 |
| pupnik_ | using qweasdzxc | 14:23 |
| pupnik_ | that would require remapping 'L' though | 14:24 |
| javispedro | you can do all that already | 14:24 |
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| pupnik_ | there is a way to map a key to a combination of 'right + up'? | 14:26 |
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| javispedro | yep | 14:26 |
| javispedro | see the config file, search for "Uber combo" iirc | 14:26 |
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| RepMace | blah | 14:28 |
| javispedro | i currently map the return key to B+R, does wonders in mario kart :) | 14:28 |
| RepMace | i have to find out wtf is up with this friggin server | 14:28 |
| RepMace | lame | 14:28 |
| RepMace | bbl | 14:28 |
| Macer | ok | 14:30 |
| Macer | hm | 14:30 |
| javispedro | so, this esd thing is a buffer size issue I think. but how to know a reasonable buffer size is over me, since reading the code the buffer size seems to be decided by the dsp... | 14:30 |
| Macer | have to find the error | 14:30 |
| Macer | i think i know what it is | 14:30 |
| pupnik_ | perhaps | 14:30 |
| javispedro | --audio-buffer-size ;) | 14:31 |
| javispedro | (snes9x pc has it :P) | 14:31 |
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| pupnik_ | oh javispedro also turbo button should be easy to implement | 14:41 |
| javispedro | yep | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | i dont have mario kart - is it faster now? | 14:43 |
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| pupnik_ | i need to find something mode7 to compare | 14:46 |
| javispedro | yep, normal mode7 is the one I centered most | 14:47 |
| javispedro | it is nearly 10fps faster | 14:47 |
| pupnik_ | : | 14:47 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 14:47 |
| javispedro | I still expect any other kind of mode7 to suck :( | 14:48 |
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| javispedro | (I saw color adding & substracting ones, but I don't know which games use them). | 14:48 |
| lcuk | ok, who is gonna get Mer on Nokbook? | 14:49 |
| javispedro | also, there is interpolated mode7 support, but seeing how slow the normal mode7 was I am considering even #if 0'ing it. | 14:49 |
| lcuk | does it have touchscreen, or is it a me too? | 14:49 |
| javispedro | good question lcuk, the press release doesn't say | 14:50 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, thanks for linkage | 14:50 |
| lcuk | if its not touchable theres not much point | 14:50 |
| * lcuk only wants to stroke devices | 14:50 | |
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| javispedro | there was not much point either, it is a "me too" as you said. | 14:51 |
| lcuk | hey lardman \o | 14:51 |
| AchipA | lcuk: me too with high(er) res screen, and a glossy one at that :( | 14:51 |
| lardman | morning | 14:51 |
| javispedro | hi lardman | 14:51 |
| lcuk | wheres the res | 14:51 |
| javispedro | lardman, wanted to ask, do you know how the mmap_buffer_size is calculated in alsa dsp? | 14:51 |
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| lardman | not off the top of my head | 14:52 |
| lardman | not my code | 14:52 |
| javispedro | np | 14:52 |
| lardman | the buffer will be fixed though as the DSP tasks have it hardcoded | 14:52 |
| javispedro | that'd be my guess. | 14:52 |
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| * javispedro builds debug libesd... | 14:53 | |
| lardman | I missed the Council election deadline | 14:53 |
| lardman | school-boy error there :) | 14:53 |
| lardman | s/election/nomination | 14:53 |
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| lardman | javispedro: the size will be hardcoded in the source (just reading the backlog here) | 14:57 |
| lardman | hmm, or perhaps not, as the DSP task could be asked what size it has set of course | 14:57 |
| javispedro | i think it does, I admit i've been only skimming through it but couldn't easily see the value | 14:58 |
| lardman | s/source/arm-side GPL source | 14:58 |
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| javispedro | alsa-plugins, dsp | 14:58 |
| lardman | take a look at the gstreamer-dsp source | 14:58 |
| lardman | it also uses the pcm sink | 14:58 |
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| javispedro | k, thanks. | 14:59 |
| lardman | should be reasonably straightforward, though I've not looked at it for a long time | 14:59 |
| lardman | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/g/gst-plugins-dsp0.10/ | 14:59 |
| javispedro | AUDIO_INIT_STATUS rings any bell? | 15:00 |
| lardman | the DSP is reporting whether the pipeline has been setup iirc | 15:00 |
| javispedro | (esd) seems to read the size from it | 15:00 |
| lardman | yeah, might be returned in there too | 15:00 |
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| lardman | hang on, let me look at the source | 15:00 |
| javispedro | don't want to waste your time either | 15:01 |
| lardman | nah that's ok | 15:01 |
| javispedro | it's just that I believe esd is cropping the buffer without a warning | 15:01 |
| javispedro | and as such I need to guess a "nice" buffer size | 15:02 |
| AchipA | lcuk: not specified, but indirectly hinted to be 10" 1280x720 | 15:02 |
| lardman | hmm, l272 of gstdsppcmsink.c | 15:03 |
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| lardman | looks like the ARM side specifies... | 15:04 |
| * javispedro points mxr :) | 15:04 | |
| lardman | l.407 codec.mmap_buffer_size | 15:05 |
| javispedro | mxr doesn't seem to have gst-plugins-dsp0.10 | 15:05 |
| lardman | grab it from the url above | 15:05 |
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| lardman | we're still missing the dspaudio.h header of course | 15:07 |
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| javispedro | esd outputs to task pcm1 instead of pcm2 | 15:07 |
| lardman | I don't know what the difference is | 15:08 |
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| javispedro | I don't either ;) | 15:08 |
| lardman | this code seems to handle raw, ulaw and alaw | 15:08 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/osso-esd-0.52/audio_dsp.c#170 | 15:09 |
| javispedro | (then, later on, line 182) | 15:09 |
| lardman | I see where it's mmaped: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/alsa-plugins-1.0.14s/maemo/dsp-protocol.c#187 | 15:11 |
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| pupnik_ | what sets statInfo.bridge_buffer_size; | 15:11 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder if there are a couple if tasks that are identical, so that multiple audio streams can be passed over and mixed on the DSP | 15:11 |
| pupnik_ | we have multiple source mixing | 15:12 |
| lardman | I'm not worried about the bridge_buffer, whatever that is | 15:12 |
| lardman | yeah, so that might be why we have a couple of tasks | 15:12 |
| javispedro | may be, according to alsa.conf alsa uses pcm3 | 15:12 |
| pupnik_ | i can't recreate the sound stopping bug | 15:13 |
| pupnik_ | running emu almost constantly | 15:14 |
| javispedro | I guess the alsa problem I was having is that alsa does not do mixing then, and from time to time a program(or _my_ program :P) does not close the stream properly | 15:14 |
| RST38h | back | 15:14 |
| javispedro | and the pcm3 task remains "busy". | 15:14 |
| lardman | yeah | 15:14 |
| pupnik_ | i can hear keypress clicks while playing emu | 15:14 |
| lardman | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/alsa-plugins-1.0.14s/maemo/dsp-protocol.c#176 is where the DSP tells the ARM-side the buffer size | 15:14 |
| pupnik_ | nice | 15:15 |
| pupnik_ | /* This pcm task node is busy. Try to use another one. */ | 15:15 |
| pupnik_ | ahh | 15:15 |
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| lardman | yep | 15:16 |
| * pupnik_ just got thrown against the wall by 'Ayla' | 15:16 | |
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| RST38h | What is Ayla? | 15:16 |
| lardman | I've no idea what the bridge_buffer does, but I guess it may be used to pass commands | 15:16 |
| javispedro | damn, mplayer uses a hardcoded 1024 buffer_size. that can't be true. | 15:17 |
| pupnik_ | Chorno trigger cavewoman from 65000000 BC | 15:17 |
| javispedro | (esd side) | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Ehehe | 15:17 |
| lardman | might be, it was initially a hack | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Following months of speculation, Nokia has officially launched its first laptop - Booklet 3G | 15:17 |
| lardman | linky? | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: old :) | 15:18 |
| javispedro | what's worse is that at least in my tests 1024 sample buffer results in horrid sound in 8000hz, so I'm going to try in mplayer to see | 15:18 |
| lardman | ah, on Talk np | 15:18 |
| Corsac | `http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/nokia-introduces-booklet-3g-mini-laptop/ | 15:18 |
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| RST38h | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/24/nokia_booklet_3g/ | 15:18 |
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| RST38h | Not very iteresting though | 15:18 |
| lardman | javispedro: there was some logic in there which specified the buffer size, etc., depending on the audio framerate | 15:19 |
| jaska | they should have named it nokia mikromikko | 15:19 |
| jaska | haha | 15:19 |
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| lardman | in the code we were just looking at | 15:19 |
| javispedro | gst? will see. | 15:19 |
| lardman | the DSP needs to be told what the rate is of course, I don't know if that might be your problem | 15:19 |
| RST38h | Atom, 2cm thick, 1.2kg, Windows | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Why are they releasing this thing anyway? | 15:20 |
| javispedro | na, with a 10 sample buffer it works perfectly | 15:20 |
| jaska | makes very little sense.. | 15:20 |
| javispedro | but of course 10 sample buffer is crazy ;) | 15:20 |
| jaska | they stopped making puters years ago.. and the business went to icl | 15:20 |
| pupnik_ | maybe their add-on services will sell some units | 15:20 |
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| Myrtti | jaska: *ROFLKOPTER* | 15:21 |
| pupnik_ | maybe the design/construction also | 15:21 |
| wazd_ | hello all :) | 15:21 |
| wazd_ | Booklet looks hot :) | 15:21 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Add on WHAT? :) | 15:21 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 15:21 |
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| javispedro | see, something is wierd. mplayer outputs "4 bytes of audio data lost due to buffer overflow, len = 4500" then works fine. | 15:23 |
| javispedro | and I can't make sdl link to my debug libesd, but that's another problem ;) | 15:24 |
| lardman | buffer probably needs to be 2^n in size | 15:24 |
| javispedro | oh, I think I read that somewhere | 15:24 |
| wazd_ | why no nokia netbook speculations on the channel? :) | 15:24 |
| lardman | and aligned | 15:24 |
| javispedro | page aligned or sample size aligned? | 15:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd_: because we want the goddamn N900! :) | 15:25 |
| lardman | hard to know if the byte there is an ARM one or a DSP one | 15:25 |
| lardman | javispedro: who knows! :) | 15:25 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: oh, yeah | 15:25 |
| javispedro | either way, dsp hides the real buffer from me (yes, it does an extra memcpy) | 15:25 |
| javispedro | *esd (not dsp) | 15:25 |
| lardman | javispedro: probably need to be 32bit aligned at least | 15:25 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: BTW, I've heard on the radio that n900 ill be announced this week | 15:25 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: so keep wanting :) | 15:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :D | 15:26 |
| tbf | wazd_: which radio? | 15:26 |
| lardman | and you may find that page aligning the frame makes it faster too? dunno | 15:26 |
| wazd_ | tbf: local Moscow radio :) | 15:26 |
| wazd_ | tbf: Business FM | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | wazd_: Ah, then it must be true ;) | 15:27 |
| RST38h | wazd,X-Fade: Sep 2 | 15:28 |
| javispedro | lol mplayer hangs at end of file with 8000hz srate. | 15:28 |
| wazd_ | As for me, 12 hours of work, aluminium body, 1.2 kg weight - I'm sold :D | 15:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: naah | 15:28 |
| Myrtti | naaaahh. | 15:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: Dell one is better | 15:28 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: Dell's is plastic - next :) | 15:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: Nokia will also be plastic | 15:28 |
| lardman | javispedro: what do you see in dmesg after 20s or so? | 15:28 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: nope | 15:29 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: aluminium case | 15:29 |
| lardman | see if the DSP has rebooted with a polling error | 15:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: Aluminium frame, plastic with cheap silvery crap on top | 15:29 |
| RST38h | check out the images | 15:29 |
| RST38h | "First up, this is not going to be another 'nail in the coffin of Nokia using Symbian'" (C)AllABoutSymbian | 15:29 |
| tbf | wazd_: why should they announce it this week, if nokia world starts next week? maybe they'll even wait for the summit? | 15:30 |
| RST38h | This, folks, is how you know that IT IS going to be another nail :) | 15:30 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: well, it looks nice anyway :) | 15:30 |
| lardman | javispedro: I get a fair few hangs caused by a variey to things: ARM side waiting for message that never comes (i.e. ARM and DSP out of sync), I was just suffering from a problem where the ARM decided to hang as it was reading too little data from the mmap buffer | 15:31 |
| lardman | needs to be 32bit aligned read, etc | 15:31 |
| javispedro | lardman: nothing appears. I also can kill it with Ctrl+C easily. | 15:31 |
| wazd_ | tbf: well, I'm saying what I've heard :) | 15:31 |
| lardman | javispedro: would be interesting to know where it hangs | 15:32 |
| javispedro | how | 15:32 |
| javispedro | it's busylooping | 15:32 |
| lardman | gdb? | 15:32 |
| lardman | oh | 15:32 |
| javispedro | na, no debug symbols | 15:32 |
| AchipA | lardman: sorry to barge in on the discussion, just a quick q - have you used the DSP Imaging library by any chance ? | 15:32 |
| lardman | can't you recompile mplayer? | 15:32 |
| lardman | AchipA: no, am currently trying to battle with DSL lib though | 15:33 |
| javispedro | it's going to take a while and I don't have that many time now | 15:33 |
| lardman | s/DSL/DSP | 15:33 |
| lardman | javispedro: same here, let me know how you get on though | 15:33 |
| lardman | AchipA: what are you planning? | 15:33 |
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| javispedro | from what I can see visually, it's continually printf'ing the usual "A: 279.9 (04:38.9) of 279.0 (04:39.0)" | 15:34 |
| javispedro | A: _278.9_ (04:38.9) of 279.0 (04:39.0) | 15:35 |
| javispedro | ^^^ notice that. | 15:35 |
| lardman | yep | 15:35 |
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| lardman | does the gui run in a separate thread? | 15:35 |
| javispedro | there are two threads but I am left to guess what they're for. | 15:36 |
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| lardman | ah the man himself | 15:36 |
| lardman | hi ssvb | 15:36 |
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| AchipA | lardman: need some motion-estimation routines and the CPU only ones are dog slow... hoping to speed stuff up by the ASM routines in the lib | 15:37 |
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| lardman | AchipA: I was just writing some code to use those, haven't got round to finishing it though | 15:37 |
| javispedro | lol now hildon-desktop crashed. that's what I get for replacing libesd on the fly ;) | 15:37 |
| lardman | I was planning a hand tracker sort of thing | 15:37 |
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| lardman | javispedro: you could see if ssvb can answer your questions, assuming he has the time | 15:38 |
| vasily_pupkin | hildon-desktop crash at every new for it situatuion ) | 15:38 |
| lardman | AchipA: email me | 15:38 |
| vasily_pupkin | if you change libc, it will be crashed for ages ) | 15:38 |
| AchipA | lardman: ok | 15:39 |
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| javispedro | thanks lardman! gotta go lunch too. | 15:39 |
| Andy80 | Nokia just announced their netbook :) | 15:40 |
| Andy80 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBuZUXZXBlY | 15:40 |
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| Stskeeps | old | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: how old are you? | 15:44 |
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| * pupnik_ is playing snes tunes at 48khz over VMPS RM-2 speakers :) | 15:48 | |
| wazd_ | http://www.libertatia.org/blog/?p=105 <- horde of useless Canola stuff is out :) | 15:48 |
| pupnik_ | useless? | 15:48 |
| wazd_ | pupnik_: absolutely :) | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: mentally about 12 | 15:49 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: you're exagerating, 10 at most :D | 15:50 |
| lcuk | the canola stuff is good for the whole ecosystem. congrats to all students who took part | 15:50 |
| lcuk | wazd, having a nice set of polished ui libraries which work well is not useless | 15:51 |
| tigert | canola instant messaging client? :) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | albeit i understand - they arent standalone which is the only downside | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | it is when they are sluggish and iphone inspired | 15:51 |
| tigert | looks like CanolaOS := | 15:51 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: having twitter client in a media player is pff :) | 15:51 |
| tigert | :) | 15:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | heh | 15:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | I alraedy have emacs for that stuff :D | 15:51 |
| lcuk | wazd_, if that code can be lifted and put into a standalone app tho | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | tools are only as good as the imagination that fed them. Sadly, all the stuff in Canola is blatant copies of iPhone-originals | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | the principles should be there - its a shame it needs canola | 15:52 |
| lcuk | the liq* modules might be less featureful atm, but they have at least the capability to be standalone :) | 15:52 |
| * RST38h would rather see Canola people work in startup time (40 seconds is too long) and better control of mplayer (tends getting out of hands after active usage) | 15:52 | |
| wazd | lcuk: Anyway, I'd rather sugget sudents to put their efforts in some really useful and unique apps | 15:52 |
| RST38h | crash: what is wrong with being a blatant copy of iphone? | 15:52 |
| wazd | lcuk: but who am I to suggest | 15:52 |
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| crashanddie | wazd: someone with a really bad keyboard? | 15:53 |
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| lcuk | wazd, have you seen the zachmon app he created :) | 15:53 |
| wazd | crashanddie: shut up! :D | 15:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: nope | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/38672658@N07/ | 15:55 |
| lcuk | completely unique (if still a little rough) :) | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Ok, Cosmote woman spent 20 minutes on the phone with me and finally said that GPRS access will be enabled in 3 (three) days and will cost $10/MB | 15:55 |
| jeremiah | lcuk: Fun - never saw those "moncells" before. | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Who are these people? Do they really think this is normal? | 15:55 |
| jeremiah | Not sure how useful they are though. :) | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: gotta love the first day in suit and tie, second day in socks and shorts, feet on the desk | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: looks like he's going to be a real propper system engineer one day | 15:56 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, for sitting on your desk and keeping an eye on all your machines | 15:56 |
| lcuk | ability to focus on one or get an overview of all | 15:56 |
| lcuk | :) he did well | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | jeremiah: I know a lot of people who'd love stuff like this -- even though nagios or whatever already does it | 15:56 |
| lcuk | and hes documented a hello world for liqbase and done some excellent groundwork with me on the textbox support in liqbase | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, there are never too many of these types of apps. | 15:57 |
| lcuk | and his styling is impressive :) | 15:57 |
| RST38h | oh well, back to Vodafone, "just" 1 euro per MB | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | Why can you guys use something other than primary colors though? | 15:57 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, proof of concept really, and it has a novel stance :) | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | s/can/can't | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | s/can/can't/ | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | C'mon infobot! | 15:57 |
| jeremiah | Are you sick? | 15:57 |
| lcuk | ~sick jeremiah | 15:58 |
| lcuk | ~lart jeremiah | 15:58 |
| lcuk | yeah he is | 15:58 |
| jeremiah | ~bacon /me | 15:58 |
| lcuk | dead in a ditch somewhere | 15:58 |
| jeremiah | Awwww. Poor infobot | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | I'm using infobot to do my regex | 15:58 |
| jeremiah | I'm using infobot to clean my toilet. | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | so that's where the foul smell comes from | 15:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm using infobot to hustle for me | 15:59 |
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| jeremiah | Why would they release a netbook with Windows 7 when any profit would get eaten by licensing costs? | 16:00 |
| jeremiah | Why doesn't Nokia just use Maemo? | 16:01 |
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| jeremiah | Doesn't make any sense. | 16:01 |
| X-Fade | License costs are just a very small amount. | 16:01 |
| jeremiah | No, they are a large amount. | 16:01 |
| MaceN8x0 | ugh | 16:02 |
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| jeremiah | This is why the asians started selling linux, the license ate profit. | 16:02 |
| X-Fade | I'm pretty sure Nokia won't be marketing this as cheap. | 16:02 |
| jeremiah | Surely not. | 16:02 |
| lardman | AchipA: great minds think alike, I was writing the same sort of thing | 16:02 |
| lardman | :) | 16:02 |
| MaceN8x0 | hm | 16:03 |
| MaceN8x0 | aurora | 16:03 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: You're Amsterdam-based? | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: No. | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Doh. | 16:04 |
| * keesj can't really find time to do real usefull maemo stuff atm | 16:04 | |
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| AchipA | lardman: :) I'll make small demo with the existing setup...It does work, after all, just needs a little DSP oomph to be really cool | 16:10 |
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| pupnik_ | javi[tab] [tab] | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | Do we know of any other Amsterdam-based community members? | 16:11 |
| pupnik_ | the unlicensed stuff will tend to be cheap - asian domain | 16:12 |
| pupnik_ | imo | 16:12 |
| lcuk | jeremiah, technically, the existence of a nokia branded windows machine is not detremental to maemo or you personally and if and when maemo/mer gets strong enough to support/run a full desktop im sure it will be offered as an alternative | 16:13 |
| Corsac | not sure it makes much sense to run maemo on a full desktop | 16:13 |
| * lcuk wants a maemo slate | 16:13 | |
| pupnik_ | will smartq deliver omap3 tablet? | 16:13 |
| Corsac | though I guess I'll try to run it on the touchbook | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | yeah, just like Acer Revo being offered with Linux and then not anymore... | 16:13 |
| lcuk | Corsac, for now i agree | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | the apps are too geared towards small screens | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: only because of bad design | 16:13 |
| lcuk | for instance, liqbase on 12" - looks weird | 16:14 |
| pupnik_ | lcuk: yeah but maemo can be easier than windows - and with large icons, a perfect match for old folks | 16:14 |
| lardman | AchipA: I'll plumb in the DSP stuff to my demo, it should work pretty much out of the box as I've just done one to perform FFT analysis on audio data | 16:14 |
| lcuk | oh totally agree pupnik_ | 16:14 |
| lcuk | but old folks are the only market | 16:14 |
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| pupnik_ | very un-tapped | 16:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: ah, that one, well, it looks pretty :) | 16:14 |
| pupnik_ | i know many computer-avoiders in the above 45 bracket | 16:15 |
| lardman | AchipA: what method do you use btw? least squares error? | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | having a 2" button is fun for old folks | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | "But I can't watch this program that my grandson sent me" "What's that granny? Oh hang on, you don't have Windows, wait, I'll install it so that you don't have any issues anymore" "Nokia support good morning: Yeah hi, this computer doesn't work anymore, windows died on it, can we have a new one?" | 16:16 |
| lcuk | and me too | 16:16 |
| lcuk | its simple to use | 16:16 |
| pupnik_ | man, i need to see that on x41 | 16:16 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:16 |
| pupnik_ | well put crashanddie | 16:16 |
| lcuk | new one is more spectacular | 16:16 |
| lcuk | "my virus wont work" | 16:16 |
| pupnik_ | which is why you don't issue x86 to people | 16:17 |
| pupnik_ | you kill x86 | 16:17 |
| pupnik_ | like the demon plague it is | 16:17 |
| AchipA | lardman: actually, I went with phase correlation in the end, that gave best results with GME | 16:17 |
| roope | Hi everybody. | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | dammit, i never know when to stop when writing bananana | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | damn | 16:17 |
| AchipA | lardman: coincidentally, FFT is enough for that, so if I can have 2D FFT via DSP, that's a \o/ | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | "bana", keep going, "nana", damn | 16:18 |
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| lardman | AchipA: iirc there is, so that's another one to try | 16:18 |
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| lardman | AchipA: though my 1D FFT doesn't return anything useful, which may mean I need to rebuilt the lib and make sure I place the twiddle tables in the right place | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | 1 dimension fourier transform? | 16:19 |
| lardman | yeah | 16:19 |
| crashanddie | I thought 2D was the minimum to make anything funky? | 16:20 |
| AchipA | crashanddie: audio is not funky enough for you ? :) | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | oh hang on, communication barrier | 16:20 |
| lardman | 2D is just lots of 1Ds | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I'm being thick, sorry | 16:20 |
| lardman | np :) | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | I wrote some FTT stuff on the DSP some time ago | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | dunno if I still have it at home | 16:21 |
| lardman | would be interesting to see | 16:21 |
| javispedro | ok, I lol'd at the Home alone picture in the NokBook thread, sorry ;P | 16:21 |
| lardman | did you use the DSP lib? | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 16:21 |
| lardman | and it worked without a recompile? | 16:21 |
| ShadowJK | lardman, what are you going to use the fft for? :-) | 16:21 |
| lardman | audio processing | 16:22 |
| lardman | I've got a pretty waveform of the mic input, want a pretty FFT power spectrum to go with it | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | this was when i was writing this graphical equalizer | 16:22 |
| lardman | not for any reason, just as it can be done | 16:22 |
| AchipA | lardman: the block based should be faster, but the phase correlation is more immune to background changes | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | lardman: I wrote that ;) | 16:22 |
| lardman | crashanddie: cool, would like to see the code | 16:22 |
| lardman | save me the effort :) | 16:23 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: can't remember the details, but lcuk should have a screenshot somewhere in his logs | 16:23 |
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| lardman | and so I can work out what's wrong with my FFT for that matter | 16:23 |
| crashanddie | lardman: I'll see if I can dig it up at home | 16:23 |
| lardman | sounds good, cheers | 16:23 |
| AchipA | save me the effort 2 :) | 16:23 |
| lardman | AchipA: will be interesting to see how quick the motion compensation functions work, and whether they can be coopted to do this | 16:24 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, ping | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: pong | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: remember what I'm talking about? | 16:24 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, need a keyword to search folders | 16:24 |
| lcuk | if you ever gave me code ill have it | 16:24 |
| lcuk | ive got everything from day1 | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: not code, just a screenshot | 16:24 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, can you remove a package that I sent by mistake for the chinook-extras repository ? | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: the one with the green bars | 16:24 |
| lcuk | nahhh wont keep those | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: in IRC logs | 16:24 |
| lcuk | i remember seeing an fft from you | 16:24 |
| lcuk | didnt get into specifics | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: project was called firestarter | 16:25 |
| AchipA | lardman: fun fun fun :) | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk is is my repository :D | 16:25 |
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| lcuk | im betting it would be in maemo | 16:25 |
| lardman | :) | 16:25 |
| lcuk | and i havent got logs | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: nope, private prolly | 16:25 |
| lcuk | google does | 16:25 |
| lcuk | you wouldv flashed it around | 16:25 |
| lcuk | its a screenie | 16:25 |
| lcuk | it doesnt help | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | you don't help either :( | 16:26 |
| andre__ | firestarter? reminds me of a firewall application in gnome that is dead. | 16:26 |
| * lcuk demonstrates | 16:26 | |
| lcuk | here is a screenie for something im working on: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090823_234619.a.scr.png | 16:27 |
| lcuk | whats the algo | 16:27 |
| * lcuk added alpha blending to liqflow :) | 16:27 | |
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| javispedro | lcuk: i think you copied that from the iphone ;) | 16:28 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Ah, the grey line is drawn?! I thought my screen must've been *really* dirty! | 16:29 |
| javispedro | the new button style already looks fremantle-ish | 16:29 |
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| lcuk | hahah jaffa | 16:31 |
| lcuk | the line is a sketch :) | 16:31 |
| lcuk | i told you :P | 16:31 |
| lcuk | javispedro, better than the crap i had for buttons before | 16:31 |
| javispedro | wtf http://wiki.debian.org/DebianNokiaBooklet that was fast jeremiah ;) | 16:32 |
| lcuk | or rather lack of any style i had before | 16:32 |
| javispedro | ah, not the same jeremiah, sorry! | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: it is the same. | 16:32 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, i got his last name wrong :P | 16:33 |
| wazd | I WOULD NOT BUY ANYTHING WITH WINDOWS EVER | 16:33 |
| lcuk | you live in a cave? | 16:33 |
| wazd | that's kinda funny statement :) | 16:33 |
| lcuk | wazd, your parents might and your friends might | 16:33 |
| wazd | lcuk: no, I will, johnkzin won't :) | 16:34 |
| lcuk | and being dispariaging to people cos of their os choice isnt nice :P | 16:34 |
| lcuk | (tho u havent yet lol | 16:34 |
| fiferboy | My wife just got a new laptop and didn't even boot into Windows before she had me put Linux on it | 16:35 |
| javispedro | the good news is that now half the black helicopter fleet will be destinated to pursue those who criticise windows, so we have a change of stealing the n900 prototype now ;) | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | People in general have great problem imagining that products can be targetted towards other people then themselves. | 16:35 |
| fiferboy | My dad just had me put Linux on his netbook because it CANNOT handle Vista that came preloaded | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | *than | 16:35 |
| lardman | I need a Windows netbook | 16:35 |
| lardman | I'm ashamed to say | 16:35 |
| lardman | ;) | 16:36 |
| wazd | And i wonder if there's any sync tools for nokia phones on Linux | 16:36 |
| tbf | X-Fade: ...apple ran quite well with letting its employers design products for them self | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | andre__: yeah, I realised afterwards that my project naming wasn't that original... | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | andre__: and it would appear that all projects named after Prodigy songs go the way of the dodo | 16:36 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: XP maybe? :) | 16:37 |
| andre__ | crashanddie, haha. i vote for "narayan" :) | 16:37 |
| wazd | fiferboy: or Win 7 | 16:37 |
| fiferboy | wazd: For the netbook? Probably would have been better. | 16:37 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, ping | 16:37 |
| tbf | X-Fade: on the other hand: customers don't know what they want - or like henry ford said: "if i had ask my customers what they want, they'd have told me: 'a faster horse'" | 16:37 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Vista would freeze hard every couple of hours, and took well over three minutes to boot into a usable state | 16:37 |
| wazd | fiferboy: well, Vista is a pain in the ass on a netbook, that's the sad truth | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Which app exactly? | 16:38 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Truer words have never been spoken | 16:38 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, python-configobj | 16:38 |
| wazd | fiferboy: I bought HP Mini with SUSE, tried to use it and broke down X after 10 minutes or so :) | 16:39 |
| wazd | fiferboy: And then decided to install XP :) | 16:39 |
| ArSa_ | hm | 16:40 |
| fiferboy | wazd: It took me a while to find the right distrubution that would do wireless and the proper screen resolution... | 16:40 |
| ArSa_ | broke? | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Don't see it in Extras? | 16:40 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, sorry should be in configobj folder | 16:41 |
| wazd | ArSa: it was showing me something like "X server is not responding, try to reboot and I don't know exatly it was year ago" :) | 16:41 |
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| lardman | wazd: I've had troubles, by proxy, with Vista on laptops too | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Both versions? | 16:41 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, yup | 16:41 |
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| VDVsx | I only need it for diablo and Fremantle, but some build deps are missing in diablo atm | 16:42 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: pong | 16:43 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: Please be careful next time, this requires reindexing. Which is a big pain... | 16:44 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, ok, thanks and sorry | 16:44 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: No problem ;) Just a word of advise.. | 16:45 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, will python-central be available for diablo soon ? | 16:45 |
| VDVsx | or sould I make a request | 16:45 |
| ArSa_ | hm... wtf, nokia laptop | 16:48 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: unfornately, there are no plans to it :/ having the same version as Fremantle would require updating a lot of packages, and risk breaking existing packages... So it was basically decided to leave Diablo in "maintainance mode" | 16:48 |
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| javispedro | damn, damn, damn, and damn. so I put debug statements in esoundd and blindly expect esd clients to output those. wasted half an hour for this... | 16:48 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: OTOH, if demand justifies, we can put some effort to "backport" (actually repackage from scratch) to Diablo some packages | 16:49 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, ok, np, more work for me :P | 16:49 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, nah, I will change the build instructions of the package | 16:50 |
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| javispedro | esd is run as _root_???? thank god it does not listen to tcp | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: actually it does, but it only executes every command coming from the network with sudo, so you're safe | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | </sarcasm> | 16:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | damn | 16:51 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: I know it can be a PITA to maintain the same packaging in both repositories, but we had to break full compatibility at some point to allow using packages following the Debian Packaging policy , without risking breaking existing third party packages in Diablo (which is important IMHO) | 16:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | i couldn't install canola2 | 16:52 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, I need python-configobj, so I made some rules based in pycentral, thinking that can support both distros this way, but I'm was wrong it seems ;) | 16:52 |
| vasily_pupkin | some deps were updated to 0.3.0-maemo3 | 16:52 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: as I said, we can make a sort of "compatibility layter" in Diablo to allow the same packaging in both cases, but the chances are that you have to change many things just for Fremantle anyway :) | 16:53 |
| wazd | Eldar told that Booklet will start from 399 Euro without contract | 16:53 |
| javispedro | lardman, ok, got it the printf way, mmap_buffer_size is 4096 (PAGE_SIZE, makes sense) on esd. | 16:53 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, this package is very simple anyway, so no need to worry :) | 16:54 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: I see... did you try CDBS (without that python-central/python-support enabled)? | 16:54 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, nop | 16:54 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, I've to give a look on one of your rules files :) | 16:56 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, btw, the latest builds 'box' seems stalled -> http://maemo.org/packages/ | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Yeah, there is a bug in the display algo. And I had shut down the log parsing because of debugging the autobuilder issues we had. | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | VDVsx: Log parsing has been restarted since this morning, but I still need to fix the display bug. | 16:59 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, ok, no worry's, this package interface is very very useful ;) | 17:00 |
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| crashanddie | no worries | 17:01 |
| lardman | javispedro: good good | 17:01 |
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| javispedro | does not explain anything tho, so i'm looking at the non-nokia parts of esd as culprit. | 17:02 |
| lardman | javispedro: what's the problem? The mplayer thing? | 17:03 |
| javispedro | esd seems to clip parts of my buffer depending on audio rate | 17:03 |
| VDVsx | crashanddie, thanks for the correction :) | 17:03 |
| javispedro | therefore resulting in blips, blops, or random silences | 17:03 |
| lardman | javispedro: ah, ok | 17:03 |
| javispedro | *depending on audio rate and buffer size. smaller buffer sizes means less blips, as do higher audio rates. | 17:04 |
| lardman | have you tried fixing the cpu freq? | 17:05 |
| javispedro | hm, not really. but switching to alsa fixes it. | 17:06 |
| lardman | when the cpu clock changes, which it can do for the static tasks (not sure which one you're using) it is supposed to produce pops and the like | 17:07 |
| javispedro | na, tried it and does nothing. | 17:08 |
| lardman | ok, just checking | 17:09 |
| javispedro | it's doing something wrong with the audio data, it is really noticeable when outputting 8000Hz with a 4096 samples long buffer size. | 17:09 |
| javispedro | sounds like samba ;) | 17:09 |
| javispedro | instead of like an old radio. | 17:09 |
| lardman | lol | 17:10 |
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| lardman | it's 16bit data? | 17:10 |
| javispedro | yep | 17:10 |
| javispedro | mplayer seems to work ok at those rates, even tho we're using the same audio path (sdl->esd); mplayer only says "buffer overflow" and then hangs at file end. | 17:12 |
| javispedro | but nm, you helped me lot with the dsp already :) | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | jeremiah: X-Fade: did TuxPaint from diablo Extras get put through to Fremantle? (Thinking of apps my son likes ;-)) | 17:13 |
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| lardman | javispedro: I have stuff I should really be doing today, but if you've not worked it out by midweek I'll have a look at the code again and see if I can help | 17:14 |
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| javispedro | don't worry, i think i'll have it by then or have forgotten about the whole issue ;) | 17:15 |
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| lardman | lol, ok | 17:15 |
| lcuk | jaffa you will tell us anything | 17:16 |
| lcuk | where did you pickup the code for attitude from btw | 17:17 |
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| javispedro | heh, with attitude being shown in the preview nokia'd better put it in ROM now or they'll get all those support calls asking for it ;) | 17:18 |
| lardman | AchipA: can do 2D DCT/iDCT which should be of use | 17:18 |
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| doffm | Does anyone know anything about Qt on maemo 5 (The community supported version)? | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Nope, not entries in packages search. | 17:19 |
| doffm | I'm getting the following message when trying to use the QFileDialog QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine. | 17:21 |
| ArSa_ | doffm anything specific? qt is included iirc | 17:21 |
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| doffm | ArSa_: Yeah issues when running a program that uses the file dialog. | 17:23 |
| AchipA | lardman: \o/ | 17:23 |
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| lardman | I take that back, is only for 8x8 blocks | 17:24 |
| lardman | but can still do the 2D FFT using combinations of 1D FFTs | 17:24 |
| lardman | there's also the motion compensation and the MAD routines that could be tried | 17:24 |
| lardman | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru037c/spru037c.pdf & http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru098/spru098.pdf | 17:25 |
| AchipA | i'll try make it a bit more plug-in-ish so we can easily adapt different algos | 17:25 |
| lardman | yep | 17:25 |
| lardman | not sure whether to encapsulate all the techniques in a given dsp task, or have different tasks for different methods though] | 17:26 |
| AchipA | 37c is what I was looking at originally, and within it, specifically | 17:26 |
| AchipA | void IMG_mad_16x16_4step(short *src_data, short * search_window, unsigned int *match) | 17:26 |
| lardman | yep | 17:27 |
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| AchipA | Is Qt a problem for you ? I used it as I'm more familiar with it than with gtk... | 17:28 |
| lardman | Dunno, I don't tend to write GUI code at all ;) | 17:28 |
| AchipA | :) | 17:28 |
| lardman | if I can install the deps and get it running then that's fine | 17:28 |
| lardman | Otherwise I have some test code for GTK | 17:28 |
| AchipA | it's all in extras (not devel), so no big deal | 17:29 |
| lardman | ok np | 17:29 |
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| AchipA | (i), alternatively, we can make it write in /proc | 17:30 |
| AchipA | and use fremantle accelero stuff to test :) | 17:30 |
| lardman | I've not paid much attention to the Fremantle stuff yet as I have no hw | 17:31 |
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| AchipA | me neither, but the data format in /proc is given so it will help for any backports | 17:33 |
| AchipA | like Jaffa's altitude (?) | 17:33 |
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| lardman | ah, you're talking about accelerometer aren't you, of course; I thought you meant make a DSP task for the new device | 17:34 |
| lardman | well in Jaffa's code we can write a new provider to read from anything | 17:34 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa actually made code that allowed for resource adapters? | 17:37 |
| lardman | ? | 17:37 |
| lardman | You add in a wrapper to present the data to the rest of the code | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | wow, I'm surprised, that's pretty awesome | 17:37 |
| lardman | I wrote one for the Wiimote | 17:38 |
| lardman | though it doesn't work very well (my wiimote code) | 17:38 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Attitude was written all on my lonesome (apart from lardman's wiimote code, which I'm not shipping yet due to laziness on my part) | 17:48 |
| Firebird | Hmm, anyone know why I'm getting warnings/errors with my control file? http://pastebin.com/m63d59c09 | 17:48 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: My Java background leaking through by having clearly separated bits of the code (and the desire to test it on non-accelerometer hardware) | 17:48 |
| lardman | Jaffa: don't forget laziness on my part, not having cleaned it up ;) | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | True. Shared laziness from lardman and mysefl. | 17:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Firebird: for one, at least: s/Architechture/Architecture/g :p | 17:50 |
| Firebird | oops >_> | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: yeah, but it's pretty cool to hear stuff like that. | 17:52 |
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| jophish | in Nitdroid, about how long does populating the dalvik cache take? | 17:52 |
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| crashanddie | 18.3 seconds | 17:53 |
| jophish | really? mine has been going for about 2 hours | 17:54 |
| * lardman is unimpressed with the dark weather today | 17:54 | |
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| crashanddie | jophish: you should know I always tend to answer questions I have absolutely no idea about, just with made up figures | 17:54 |
| jophish | noted | 17:54 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: it's not bad down south | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | it makes discussions more interesting, as people are always doubtful of my honesty | 17:55 |
| jophish | crashanddie, you know that 85% of statistics are just made up on the spot | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | Last time I checked it was 93% | 17:55 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: I live in Bath though, always rains here | 17:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 17:56 |
| lardman | :( | 17:56 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 17:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | all my hildon*.launch applications crahed | 17:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | with segmentation fault | 17:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | at start | 17:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | O_O | 17:57 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | In what way have you been abusing maemo-launcher? :) | 17:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | i tried to install canola2 with extras-devel | 17:58 |
| vasily_pupkin | then disable it | 17:58 |
| vasily_pupkin | remove canola | 17:58 |
| vasily_pupkin | install it | 17:58 |
| vasily_pupkin | and... | 17:58 |
| vasily_pupkin | O_O | 17:58 |
| GAN800 | Man, Nokia could've had something with an Ubuntu ARM netbook, instead they try to compete with the already ridiculously oversaturated netbook market. | 17:58 |
| javispedro | I predict failure. | 17:58 |
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| vasily_pupkin | how can i search packages with versions from extras devel? | 17:59 |
| * X-Fade wonders what the actual percentage of netbooks running linux exclusively is. | 17:59 | |
| lardman | GAN800: battery life is good though isn't it? | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: low | 18:00 |
| lardman | GAN800: on the new Windows based one? If so, I don't really see it failing | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: most people can't be bothered the trouble of understanding or re-learning another OS, and just give up once the buzz of "new, shiny" has worn off | 18:01 |
| GAN800 | lardman, we'll see. | 18:01 |
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| lardman | Well I need to use a Windows laptop, so it would work for me | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: I think so too. | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | The only people who use Linux on their netbooks are people who would use Linux on any machine anyway, and they never use the default OS | 18:01 |
| wazd | looks like johnkzin is a serious windows hater :D | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | wether it's Linux or Windows that ships with the hardware, savvy users install their own flavour. Manufacturers just need to realise that, and stop installing a default OS | 18:02 |
| ArSa_ | GAN800 i don't think a netbook like that exists, all the salivation over apple's netbook was based on similar concept imho. | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | s/we/whe/ | 18:02 |
| ArSa_ | aluminum and all | 18:02 |
| ArSa_ | that is, i'd buy it | 18:03 |
| wazd | ArSa_: HP 2140? :) | 18:03 |
| lcuk | bah, i dont see the point in it (mee too) but i also dont see why they *shouldnt* have it out | 18:04 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, did I or someone killed the builder ? :P | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, brand dilution. | 18:04 |
| lcuk | theres a market for them and nokia brand is v strong and assoc. with reliability | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | because Nokia is losing millions and jumping on a bandwagon where margins are razor-thin is ludicrous | 18:04 |
| lcuk | might actually work | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | Something Nokia has always had a problem with. | 18:04 |
| ArSa_ | i hate HP, for reliability. | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: Why? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | there are so many people and departments within nokia, i would rather they tried something new than decide to fire a metric shittonne of people | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: they will fire shittones anyway | 18:05 |
| lardman | AchipA: in your code to do return a single number (or three) giving the motion vectors in different directions? | 18:05 |
| lcuk | so guys, please stop with the bitching - just because it doesnt satisfy your own particular spot | 18:05 |
| lcuk | doesnt mean its wrong | 18:05 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, is taking ages to build a package :P | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | VDVsx: What else is new? :) | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: that's the problem, it is wrong from a business perspective | 18:06 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, trying is better than giving in | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | no, trying to be original is better than giving in, copying is just stupid | 18:06 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, I don't have complains until now :) | 18:06 |
| lcuk | the people with their energies in the netbook are not the same people with energies elsewhere | 18:06 |
| lcuk | let them try to succeed | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | The netbook is going to die very soon anyway | 18:07 |
| ArSa_ | nokia is 768 lines, versus HP's 576 lines. pretty huge deal, 567 won't fit lots of apps. | 18:07 |
| lcuk | so you think, obviously they dont | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | I'll take a wager | 18:07 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: why will they die | 18:07 |
| lardman | ? | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, lol. | 18:07 |
| GAN800 | Don't get all bleeding heart on us. | 18:08 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, if nokia as a company did not try other things they would still be a tyre firm and we wouldnt have a tablet at all | 18:08 |
| lcuk | feck off gan | 18:08 |
| wazd | ArSa_: it fits all of them | 18:08 |
| wazd | ArSa_: I mean all | 18:08 |
| * GAN800 sighs and watches Ubuntu boot to a blinking cursor. | 18:08 | |
| ArSa_ | oook | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | lardman: because you either have something small that does a lot (n8x0, probably n900 as well, PDA, etc) and that is very portable, or you have a laptop, none of them has provided anything useful for the past 3 years they've been around. Yeah, they're fun and cool, but they're not comfortable (keyboard/screen) nor powerful. Nobody uses them for what they were supposed to | 18:09 |
| * lardman gives a small Ubuntu curse that it won't start all 3 monitors without a reboot and that it won't give me the latest FF either | 18:09 | |
| crashanddie | let's not forget, the old motto was "if you want to check something out quickly, just dash our your eee and google it", however, how many of you konw people who'd rather take out their iphone / n series nokia or blackberry? | 18:09 |
| lardman | crashanddie: sw compatibility is a big problem for ARM machines | 18:09 |
| lardman | Well I'm going to buy a netbook to take to conferences, so I can tweak presentations | 18:10 |
| lcuk | haha | 18:10 |
| lcuk | after last time :P | 18:10 |
| lardman | small is good, fits in a bag, easy as that | 18:10 |
| crashanddie | you can get a 15" laptop for £300, which is damn close to the price of a netbook, but you get more screen real-estate, and CPU/memory | 18:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah :D | 18:10 |
| lcuk | 15" is massive! | 18:10 |
| lardman | heavy, big | 18:10 |
| crashanddie | so? | 18:11 |
| lardman | I don't want to have to take a large machine with me | 18:11 |
| ArSa_ | and power consumption is not same, atom is way better (but not as good as arm obviously) | 18:11 |
| lcuk | my 12" x41 is even too big | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | just give people a phone that does a lot, and a laptop that weighs a lot, they can do everything they want, netbooks are going the way of the dodo, and that's that | 18:11 |
| derf | My opinion has certainly been that I either want a) a powerful laptop or b) something that fits in my pocket. | 18:11 |
| lardman | If I go to London for the day, I've no desire to lug something large around all day | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | Lugging around my 4.5kg laptop starts to annoy me pretty fast ;) | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | by phone I mean n8x0/n900/iphone | 18:11 |
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| derf | And a netbook is exactly the wrong midpoint between those two. | 18:11 |
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| crashanddie | derf: thank you :) | 18:12 |
| ArSa_ | btw, what kind of tvout is in n900? is it going to be in production model? | 18:12 |
| * lcuk is an ardent nokia tablet fan, but its not the solution to everyproblem | 18:12 | |
| derf | But not everyone is me. A lot of people only want to buy one thing. | 18:12 |
| lardman | phone/palmtop for email/web, netbook for presentations/more useful work | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | oh come on, you don't work on netbooks | 18:12 |
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| lardman | no, I work with 3 22" monitors | 18:13 |
| lardman | but sometimes I'm not in the office | 18:13 |
| * GAN800 stabs Ubuntu to death. | 18:13 | |
| crashanddie | well, maybe green-tree-hugging web designers want an eee for work, but real businesses use something that actually allows you to do some work | 18:13 |
| GAN800 | 22" is exactly the wrong size. | 18:13 |
| lardman | well that's one concern, how slow one of these beasts really is | 18:13 |
| lardman | lol | 18:13 |
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| ArSa_ | what exactly is the problem with netbook? screen size, that's all? | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | 22" = lower DPI, higher costs. | 18:14 |
| derf | ArSa_: Keyboard size, CPU power, RAM... | 18:14 |
| lardman | GAN800: ah well, all I could afford | 18:14 |
| ArSa_ | hm | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | Wow, I didn't realize Intel machines could reboot loop. | 18:14 |
| crashanddie | ArSa_: screen size, mouse pad is shit, and keyboard is very uncomfortable, and no power to do anything useful (oh yeah, my laptop is running short of memory when I try to launch office and firefox at the same time, woohoo) | 18:14 |
| GAN800 | lardman, you're supposed to buy 20" or 23"/24". 22" is more expensive for exactly the same thing as the 20" for more money. | 18:15 |
| lardman | hmm, my 4Gb machine runs short of memory with bloody FF running | 18:15 |
| ArSa_ | well. to me any laptop keyboard is uncomfortable, i am a natural keyboard elite user :P | 18:15 |
| lardman | GAN800: oh well :) | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | ArSa_: maybe because you're 12, call me again when you're 30 | 18:16 |
| derf | I actually like laptop keyboards because they have trackpoints. | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | no offense intended | 18:16 |
| ArSa_ | k | 18:16 |
| lardman | I don't much like laptop kbs I must admit | 18:16 |
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| derf | I've considered buying one of those regular keyboards with a trackpoint built in. | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | trackpoint? | 18:16 |
| lardman | bring back the Psion 5! | 18:16 |
| ArSa_ | the nipple :) | 18:17 |
| derf | crashanddie: Nipple-mouse. | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | ah, clit | 18:17 |
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| ArSa_ | heh | 18:17 |
| derf | The important point is, I don't have to move my hands to use the mouse. | 18:17 |
| Corsac | yeah, a netbook with a trackpoint would definitely be an improvement | 18:17 |
| GAN800 | Out of the 5 computers in this apartment, only one is functional. | 18:17 |
| * GAN800 sighs. | 18:17 | |
| derf | But, as it turns out, I almost never use an actual desktop anymore. | 18:17 |
| ArSa_ | Corsac sony makes one with trackpoint | 18:17 |
| Corsac | yeah, correct | 18:17 |
| lardman | derf: if I have to use my laptop I plug in a mouse, can't stand the trackpad thing | 18:18 |
| ArSa_ | it's actually much smaller than netbook, having seen it. very odd form factor. | 18:18 |
| derf | lardman: Oh, I hate the pads. | 18:18 |
| lardman | nipples are better then? | 18:18 |
| derf | And I hated the trackpoint, too, the first time I used it. | 18:18 |
| ArSa_ | psion had trackball, right? :) | 18:18 |
| derf | But after a week, I really started liking the thing. | 18:18 |
| lardman | no, touchscreen | 18:18 |
| ArSa_ | oh, that one | 18:18 |
| lardman | derf: fair enough | 18:18 |
| derf | I still hate the pads, though. | 18:18 |
| lardman | :) | 18:19 |
| derf | I've actually completely disabled the one on my laptop. | 18:19 |
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| derf | Which pisses people who try to use my computer off to no end. | 18:19 |
| Corsac | same here :) | 18:19 |
| derf | The problem with "X has a trackpoint", though, is that there are a lot of poorly-engineered trackpoints out there. | 18:21 |
| derf | Like, Lenovo seems to do pretty good, but the last Dell I used had _serious_ drift issues. | 18:21 |
| ArSa_ | i thought there were just two - ibm and synaptics | 18:21 |
| Corsac | synaptics does trackpoints? | 18:22 |
| ArSa_ | for dell, yeah | 18:22 |
| Corsac | ok | 18:22 |
| Andy80 | ArSa_, where did you read about x768 resolution of the netbook? | 18:22 |
| ArSa_ | i think even ibm uses them ... hm | 18:22 |
| ArSa_ | Andy80 in the new Nokia netbook | 18:22 |
| javispedro | damn, the alsa pcm task got BUSY'd again, | 18:22 |
| ArSa_ | and also HP's higher end netbook has HD screen like that too. | 18:22 |
| derf | My Thinkpad has a synaptics touchpad. I have no idea who makes the trackpoint. | 18:22 |
| Andy80 | ArSa_, yes, but which website? | 18:23 |
| ArSa_ | Andy80 google news, forgot which exactly | 18:23 |
| ArSa_ | i think wired | 18:23 |
| Andy80 | ok | 18:23 |
| aol | 18:17 <aol> "Nokia Booklet 3G first from 2 netbooks for this year. Price is not known yet :( Intel Atom, 10" HD glass screen, 120Gb etc. Do you like it?" | 18:23 |
| aol | also price is 400e+ in europe | 18:23 |
| aol | this info is by Eldar, he knows his shit | 18:24 |
| ArSa_ | i wonder how much in $$... i can't get any nokia phones here :( | 18:24 |
| aol | roughly euro translates to $ | 18:24 |
| ArSa_ | it's commodity hardware really, they can drop prices in us | 18:24 |
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| ArSa_ | as they generaly do to grab the market | 18:24 |
| aol | in electronics | 18:24 |
| ArSa_ | yeah, i guess you are right | 18:24 |
| aol | so if it's 499e here, I'd exdpect 499$ | 18:25 |
| ArSa_ | i remember tom's hardware had an article comparing laptop prices, where you could buy ticket to US and still be in price difference. | 18:25 |
| ArSa_ | but i think that changed now | 18:25 |
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| crashanddie | aol: please change your nickname, you are hurting most people's eyes | 18:26 |
| aol | no | 18:26 |
| aol | fu | 18:26 |
| crashanddie | aol: please remain courteous, no need to start swearing just because of a small joke :) | 18:27 |
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| aol | well think about this; what are the chances you're first one complaing about it? | 18:27 |
| aol | those are my initials. | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | relatively slim | 18:27 |
| ArSa_ | mine too, and it's almos a swear word | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | Aaron Oberthur Livingstone? | 18:28 |
| aol | something like that yes | 18:28 |
| aol | but let's not talk about my name, ok ? | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | hey, you brought it up | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | :) | 18:28 |
| aol | lol | 18:28 |
| ArSa_ | at least it's not all caps | 18:29 |
| aol | who cares | 18:29 |
| aol | it's just a nick | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | aol: and it was just a joke, chill, take a pill | 18:29 |
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| aol | well I tend to get this same shit from everywhere I go in #freenode | 18:30 |
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| crashanddie | aol: then stop being thick and take the hint | 18:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aol: change your name, then :p | 18:30 |
| crashanddie | deed poll, two signatures, done | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | do it for the strangers on Freenode, they need it | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | </troll> | 18:31 |
| aol | yeah,I should go to the Finnish department for name changing and say they are teasing me in freenode :) | 18:31 |
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| crashanddie | actually, that would be funny as hell :D | 18:31 |
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| crashanddie | It's like the guy changing his name to "Captain Fantastic Faster Than Superman Spiderman Batman Wolverine Hulk And The Flash Combined" | 18:32 |
| ArSa_ | btw, what kind of tvout is in n900? is it going to be in production model? | 18:34 |
| Myrtti | ArSa_: let us go search google and read the same specs you have read | 18:35 |
| ArSa_ | yeah yeah, NDA | 18:35 |
| javispedro | oh well. this whole esd thing may have actually been my fault. | 18:36 |
| javispedro | I noticed that alsa forces sdl into a different, smaller buffer size. | 18:36 |
| javispedro | therefore what I though was exercising the same code path wasn't. | 18:36 |
| Myrtti | ArSa_: as surprising as it may sound, this channel isn't cohabited by only Nokia (and their subcontractors) employees ;-) | 18:37 |
| Myrtti | although, I wouldn't be surprised to see high percentages ;-) | 18:38 |
| ArSa_ | i am just wondering what is the point of non-digital tvout these days. | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | ahem | 18:38 |
| ArSa_ | it is surprising that they _are_ here and there. | 18:38 |
| jeremiah | PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ANY NON-NOKIA RELATED DISCUSSION | 18:38 |
| jeremiah | Thank you - The Adminitrators. | 18:39 |
| Myrtti | disclaimer: I'm working for a subcontractor but I don't know jack shit | 18:39 |
| javispedro | adminitraitors!!! | 18:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Down with them! | 18:39 |
| * crashanddie gets the ropse | 18:39 | |
| crashanddie | damn | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | ropes** | 18:39 |
| * Myrtti gets the pithchforsk | 18:39 | |
| jeremiah | I would kick you all, but I don't have any kicking powers. :-( | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | corpse/ropes, so close | 18:39 |
| ArSa_ | you can still slap us all | 18:40 |
| javispedro | he can't, infobot is on holiday :D | 18:40 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah: here, have a kanelbulle | 18:40 |
| Myrtti | @ | 18:40 |
| jeremiah | w00t! | 18:40 |
| * crashanddie bitchslaps ArSe_ | 18:40 | |
| jeremiah | Tack! Myrtti! | 18:40 |
| jeremiah | Now I am much sweeter. :) | 18:40 |
| jeremiah | kiitos | 18:40 |
| * Myrtti curtsies | 18:41 | |
| * javispedro has been listening to the cheesy mario kart intro tune all day long. | 18:41 | |
| javispedro | disturbed & corrupted versions included. | 18:41 |
| ArSa_ | it will give you brain cancer | 18:41 |
| jeremiah | Or cure it. | 18:41 |
| Myrtti | no, mobile phones will | 18:41 |
| Myrtti | diudiudiudiu </twilight zone> | 18:41 |
| * javispedro modifies his "make test" script to use the mario paint cheesy tune instead... | 18:42 | |
| Myrtti | remember not to compile stuff on your maemo devices while sidetalkin' folks, you'll get a cancer and the device will probe your brainwaves and send them to Nokia | 18:42 |
| ArSa_ | it probably already does | 18:43 |
| Myrtti | BEWARE OF THE ADMINITRATORS! | 18:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Will they hear my cries of "Bring the fucking N900 out already"? :) | 18:43 |
| ArSa_ | no, not until you change your nick | 18:43 |
| vasily_pupkin | 550 E for n900 is toooo much | 18:43 |
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| Myrtti | vasily_pupkin: I'd say 700€ for N97 is too much | 18:44 |
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| javispedro | oh my | 18:44 |
| Myrtti | next! | 18:44 |
| vasily_pupkin | holy shit.. (% | 18:44 |
| javispedro | 700€ ?? | 18:44 |
| ArSa_ | it's ok, n810 cost how much initially? | 18:44 |
| Andy80 | vasily_pupkin, where did you read about the price? | 18:44 |
| vasily_pupkin | hm | 18:44 |
| vasily_pupkin | some overview | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | n810 was 350e initially IIRC | 18:44 |
| Myrtti | oh, 649€, my bad | 18:44 |
| javispedro | 649€ for a phone | 18:45 |
| ArSa_ | now throw in 3g, for another 100 | 18:45 |
| vasily_pupkin | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900.shtml | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | http://kauppa.nokia.fi/nokia-fi/product.aspx?sku=4006931 | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 18:45 |
| Myrtti | so, you were saying...? | 18:46 |
| javispedro | lololo what are they thinking? | 18:46 |
| javispedro | the n900 is way better, it's gonna cost way more than that. | 18:46 |
| jeremiah | ÿ | 18:46 |
| ArSa_ | erm | 18:46 |
| ArSa_ | what's the tax situation in .fi? | 18:46 |
| ArSa_ | or they don't tax nokia products :P | 18:46 |
| Myrtti | ArSa_: VAT 22% | 18:46 |
| jeremiah | Myrtti: Are those html entities you are inserting? | 18:47 |
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| jeremiah | I bet a lot of companies are going to subsidize the N900 | 18:47 |
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| ArSa_ | i don't like subsidized phones unless of course they also give you good data plan | 18:47 |
| ArSa_ | which is like... never | 18:48 |
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| Myrtti | of course there are shops that sell the N97 cheaper than kauppa.nokia.fi, but *ahem* if someone says 550€ for N900 is too much... hahahaHAHAHAHAHAahhahahaa... ahahha... hah. | 18:48 |
| javispedro | the devil itself is going to make you a better plan than most carriers. | 18:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I can get mates rates if you're interested | 18:48 |
| jeremiah | \ÿ | 18:49 |
| jeremiah | nope | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | ArSa_: since when do subsidized phones not have a good data plan? | 18:49 |
| jeremiah | Myrtti: :P | 18:49 |
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| Myrtti | jeremiah: what are *you* inserting? | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | ArSa_: £30 monthly is hardly a bad offer for unlimited data and god knows how many minutes/texts | 18:49 |
| jeremiah | Just some random crud. :) | 18:49 |
| Myrtti | jeremiah: figures | 18:49 |
| Luke-Jr | crashanddie: that doesn't include tethering | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | Luke-Jr: so? | 18:50 |
| jeremiah | Is it showing up as html entity for you? Or just crud? | 18:50 |
| ArSa_ | too bad i don't reside in eu :-\ in between CIS and US, they have pretty shitty plans. | 18:50 |
| Luke-Jr | Myrtti: I'd pay at most $250 for a N900 | 18:50 |
| crashanddie | Luke-Jr: tethering is on company expenses, end of that | 18:50 |
| jeremiah | They have pretty good tethering plans here. | 18:50 |
| jeremiah | (Sweden) | 18:50 |
| vasily_pupkin | Luke-Jr: 350$. Max :] | 18:50 |
| ArSa_ | btw, compared to n810 (and same as n97) it comes with 32gb of flash (wonder how fast that is though) | 18:50 |
| Luke-Jr | crashanddie: not everyone is a slave to some company | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | Luke-Jr: we can see what that brings you ;) | 18:51 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, some peole are looking for companies to be slaves for! | 18:51 |
| Myrtti | Luke-Jr: I'd rather pay 550€ so I'm not force fed any phone company or their 18/24month deal with tied in stuff I'd never use | 18:51 |
| * Luke-Jr has plenty of such opportunities if he wanted to be a slave. :þ | 18:51 | |
| ArSa_ | i actually enjoy not having a company cell, and not having to give my private cell to my company. | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | Luke-Jr: tethering should always be work expensable, regardless of what you do. Even if you're self-employed (read: struggling for work), you should expense it | 18:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Myrtti: $250 without a contract. | 18:52 |
| ArSa_ | let's have a reverse auction, ok | 18:52 |
| Myrtti | Luke-Jr: welcome to Finland \o/ | 18:52 |
| Luke-Jr | crashanddie: self-employed is not struggling for work | 18:52 |
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| crashanddie | Luke-Jr: yeah right ;) | 18:52 |
| javispedro | 350€ without contract. :) next. | 18:52 |
| ArSa_ | $199 | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | £300 with contract | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | 1 year contract though | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | not more | 18:53 |
| crashanddie | preferably with vodafone | 18:53 |
| Luke-Jr | I'll go up to $300 if there's open specs for all the hardware in it | 18:53 |
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| ArSa_ | that's up to part vendors | 18:54 |
| ArSa_ | unfortunately | 18:54 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa_: not entirely | 18:54 |
| ArSa_ | yeah, nokia could force them | 18:54 |
| Luke-Jr | Nokia could easily shop around and only consider open components | 18:54 |
| javispedro | there are not going to be open specs for the powervr, that's for sure. | 18:54 |
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| ArSa_ | yeah, i was just thinking about parts of cortex that are really private | 18:54 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: there has to be, to some degree | 18:54 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa_: that's bogus | 18:55 |
| javispedro | Luke-Jr, probably open sourced kmod but big libGLes blob library. | 18:55 |
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| lcuk | frankly i couldnt care less whether anything was open/closed or inside out - as long as this time every damn piece of silicon is usable on the day i buy it | 18:55 |
| ArSa_ | it's same as with desktop video drivets | 18:55 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: that's never been the case with anything along these lines | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | GAN800: it's funny to see everyone still so naive and going "I would like a major corporation to use only open hardware and give me everything I want, regardless of market value" | 18:56 |
| javispedro | I actually would be happy with a binary everything for the n8x0 :P | 18:56 |
| Luke-Jr | I dont think N900 will be a first | 18:56 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa_: not at all? | 18:56 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa_: desktop video drivers all use the same standard libGL | 18:56 |
| Luke-Jr | at least for Linux | 18:56 |
| javispedro | Luke-Jr, not nvidias. | 18:56 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, so which part of the laundry list of stuff do you think will be missed | 18:56 |
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| Luke-Jr | javispedro: those are illegal drivers and don't count | 18:56 |
| ArSa_ | you know how long it took to get away from binary blobs | 18:57 |
| javispedro | illegal :P | 18:57 |
| javispedro | then you're going to find illegal drivers in the N900 too I guess | 18:57 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: as illegal as your pirated movies | 18:57 |
| ArSa_ | and now Rage won't work on linux because oss drivers won't support shit that it needs | 18:57 |
| ArSa_ | :( | 18:57 |
| javispedro | since we have not seen any talks about Vincent or the like | 18:57 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: then I hope someone will sue Nokia finally | 18:57 |
| ArSa_ | hah | 18:57 |
| brbrbr | -) | 18:58 |
| Luke-Jr | hey, maybe my kernel patch will be in N900's kernel and I can have grounds for suing myself | 18:58 |
| brbrbr | for satysfying customers ? :) | 18:58 |
| MaceN8x0 | Luke-Jr: im trying to build arora | 18:58 |
| brbrbr | they tried sue Nokia ;) | 18:58 |
| javispedro | Luke-Jr, btw, how did you know about my pirated movies?? ;) | 18:58 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: your filesystem is exposed | 18:58 |
| MaceN8x0 | cc1plus is a whore | 18:58 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: yes. use my binpkg | 18:58 |
| MaceN8x0 | how do i use them? | 18:58 |
| javispedro | damn, all my porn gone. | 18:59 |
| ArSa_ | revalation | 18:59 |
| MaceN8x0 | just dl them and extract to / | 18:59 |
| Luke-Jr | no -.- | 18:59 |
| lcuk | just got an email through: | 18:59 |
| ArSa_ | time to get fresh stuff | 18:59 |
| lcuk | "Greetings all! Just arrived this morning is much more genuine hemp jewelry. " | 18:59 |
| lcuk | WAT!? | 18:59 |
| MaceN8x0 | ive never used binpkgs in gentoo | 18:59 |
| lcuk | do you smoke it or wear it? | 18:59 |
| MaceN8x0 | or do you have an ebuild on your repo? | 18:59 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: it's meth stones | 19:00 |
| MaceN8x0 | well. except openoffice-bin | 19:00 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: make.conf: PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n8x0/packages/" | 19:00 |
| lcuk | i say again, WAT? | 19:00 |
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| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: emerge -gk qt-webkit -a1 | 19:00 |
| MaceN8x0 | wow | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: you haven't been young for too long, you've forgotten the basics | 19:00 |
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| crashanddie | oldie :P | 19:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: it's another trick to make you lose a finger. You're meant to wear it and light it when it's on your finger | 19:00 |
| ArSa_ | how about friggen webkit-eal instead? come on :) | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | webkit-eal? Is that even edible? | 19:01 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf is that | 19:01 |
| lcuk | also of note: | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | jello? | 19:01 |
| lcuk | "It is imported from Hungry - NOT CHINA! " | 19:01 |
| lcuk | haha qwerty | 19:01 |
| crashanddie | hungry, nice | 19:01 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa_: cuz Maemo sucks | 19:01 |
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| ArSa_ | i want simple browser | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | I'm betting Turkey was the other hungry country | 19:02 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa_: Arora is simple | 19:02 |
| ArSa_ | ok | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | wb infobot | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | ~cookie | 19:02 |
| * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds zip 21754... Ijamsville Frederick MD | 19:02 | |
| Luke-Jr | infobot: botsnack | 19:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~hump | 19:02 |
| infobot | Luke-Jr: thanks | 19:02 |
| * infobot humps the channel | 19:02 | |
| crashanddie | ~hump qwerty12_N810 | 19:03 |
| lcuk | he leaves because you lot harrass him whenever he enters | 19:03 |
| javispedro | so, nokia already did computers | 19:03 |
| javispedro | http://www.old-computers.com/museum/photos/nokia_MikroMikko1_1.jpg | 19:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~fuck crashanddie | 19:03 |
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| ArSa_ | javispedro who didn't | 19:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Grr... it doesn't wish to go near either of us | 19:03 |
| ArSa_ | goodyear made TV's | 19:03 |
| crashanddie | is that like reversed peadophillia? | 19:03 |
| Myrtti | my friend had a mikromikko | 19:03 |
| Myrtti | I wanted one so bad | 19:03 |
| brbrbr | fatherphilia ? :PP | 19:04 |
| brbrbr | omg | 19:04 |
| Myrtti | didn't look like that though | 19:04 |
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| crashanddie | I guess it would be 1/-18 | 19:04 |
| javispedro | slashdot comment: "so, how do they do 12 hours of battery life?" "using Marketing Energy, of course". | 19:04 |
| javispedro | it's like Free Energy only better, and twice as surreal. | 19:05 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: slashdot comments are only +5 funny on the website. IRC has no concept of funny by moderation | 19:05 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, people are hilarious. | 19:05 |
| Luke-Jr | http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2345/dumpviewfilephpfile0002.jpg | 19:05 |
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| MaceN8x0 | Luke-Jr: do i have to sync after adding that line? | 19:06 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: no | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | GAN800: think it'll ever change? | 19:06 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: emerge -gk qt-webkit -a1 | 19:06 |
| ArSa_ | Luke-Jr hehe | 19:06 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: paste the line | 19:06 |
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| MaceN8x0 | ok | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | GAN800: not to be cynical really, but all the "happy people" dreams and precious ideals are getting quite old | 19:07 |
| ArSa_ | i wonder what kind of CD's he has in that holder, probably some of that country he sings. | 19:07 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, nope. | 19:07 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, I think it has something to do with getting old. :D | 19:08 |
| crashanddie | but I'm just 23 | 19:08 |
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| crashanddie | I think it's something to do with learning words like wage, or male pattern baldness | 19:08 |
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| Luke-Jr | crashanddie: more like being broken | 19:09 |
| GAN800 | Ahaha | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | for other people not understanding the conversation: yes, people working at nokia are paid with flowers and Nokia is the only cor poration on the planet that is trying hard to go bust by selling things without any profit, but just can't, because they're so damn bad at it | 19:10 |
| GAN800 | crashanddie, here's one now. | 19:10 |
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| crashanddie | they have cars that run on the pure power of love, and all live in lala-land | 19:10 |
| crashanddie | anyway, time for my cancer-stick, bbiab | 19:11 |
| Luke-Jr | crashanddie: as you get more idealistic, the world will eventually break you | 19:11 |
| Myrtti | since I work for subcontractor, I get paid in chocolate | 19:11 |
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| MaceN8x0 | heh | 19:11 |
| MaceN8x0 | waiting for it to do stuff | 19:12 |
| MaceN8x0 | i hope cups works | 19:12 |
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| MaceN8x0 | im sure by now they must have fixed the ebuild bug | 19:12 |
| lcuk | javispedro, "12 hours of battery power from marketing energy, is that any different from sucking energy from a reality distortion field of steve jobs? | 19:12 |
| * lcuk likes the marketing energy line tho | 19:12 | |
| GAN800 | How is it that modern Celeron machines can't boot from a USB stick. . . . | 19:13 |
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| Luke-Jr | Nokia should learn from Full Metal Alchemist | 19:13 |
| Luke-Jr | and leech energy off the mass genocide of alternate dimensions | 19:13 |
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| MaceN8x0 | Luke-Jr: it will only grab the qt webkit? | 19:14 |
| GAN800 | Luke-Jr, should learn from reality. | 19:14 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: should, see -g | 19:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | still has to build the rest | 19:14 |
| Luke-Jr | GAN800: reference fail | 19:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | ? | 19:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | ok | 19:14 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: "the rest"? | 19:14 |
| Luke-Jr | if you use -g, that emerge command will fetch binpkgs | 19:14 |
| MaceN8x0 | i have other deps that havent been built | 19:14 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: so build those first | 19:15 |
| MaceN8x0 | like qt-core | 19:15 |
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| MaceN8x0 | ok | 19:15 |
| ArSa_ | hm... i can't believe they didn't put that "You Ain't Woman Enough" song from "be cool" somewhere. do they take down movie clips off youtube? | 19:15 |
| Luke-Jr | or use binpkgs | 19:15 |
| Luke-Jr | but to cover my legal buttom.. | 19:15 |
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| Luke-Jr | use emerge -f to get srcs first | 19:15 |
| Luke-Jr | ☺ | 19:15 |
| MaceN8x0 | just was wondering if it would grab | 19:15 |
| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: it will grab anything it needs for that cmd | 19:15 |
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| MaceN8x0 | dep bin pkgs automatically | 19:15 |
| Luke-Jr | check the output from -a | 19:16 |
| Luke-Jr | it should say "binary" instead of "ebuild" | 19:16 |
| ArSa_ | oh, there it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6YayTBoDcQ | 19:16 |
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| wazd | wow, I've jsut made "drift brake" on a bike for the first time :) | 19:18 |
| MaceN8x0 | no | 19:19 |
| MaceN8x0 | all are ebuilds | 19:19 |
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| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: you're doing it wrong | 19:19 |
| MaceN8x0 | PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n8x0/packages/" | 19:20 |
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| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: exact cmd? | 19:20 |
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| MaceN8x0 | restless portage # emerge -gk qt-webkit -a1 | 19:21 |
| Luke-Jr | and exact output? | 19:22 |
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| MaceN8x0 | sec... | 19:22 |
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| MaceN8x0 | [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 USE="-debug (-kde) -pch" | 19:23 |
| MaceN8x0 | doesnt seem to want to pull the bin | 19:24 |
| MaceN8x0 | i will just build what i can for now | 19:24 |
| Luke-Jr | try adding -K maybe | 19:24 |
| MaceN8x0 | have to go and will work on it more when i get back | 19:25 |
| Luke-Jr | oh | 19:25 |
| Luke-Jr | un-mask the KDE use flag | 19:25 |
| Luke-Jr | mine has USE=kde | 19:25 |
| mcpi | have you tried with an capital -G to foce binary? | 19:26 |
| Luke-Jr | echo -kde » /etc/portage/profile/use.mask | 19:26 |
| Luke-Jr | mcpi: isn't that -K | 19:26 |
| mcpi | -getbinpkgonly[=n] (-G) | 19:26 |
| mcpi | man emerge | 19:26 |
| Luke-Jr | no u | 19:26 |
| Luke-Jr | --getbinpkgonly (-G) | 19:27 |
| Luke-Jr | This option is identical to -g, as above, except binaries from | 19:27 |
| Luke-Jr | the remote server are preferred over local packages if they are | 19:27 |
| Luke-Jr | not identical. | 19:27 |
| mcpi | oh, i see :) | 19:27 |
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| lardman | anyone know how an RGB GdkPixBuf is arranged in memory? | 19:32 |
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| lardman | or actually, is there an easier way of displaying grayscale data? | 19:33 |
| mcpi | Luke-Jr: is this gentoo just in a chroot env or stand alone? | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | greyscale :P | 19:33 |
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| lardman | well I thought I'd spell it for our American cousins | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goes either way over here, honestly. | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | I'm probably the only idiot who corrects people on that, tbh | 19:35 |
| lardman | should be spelled gray in English afaik | 19:35 |
| lardman | oops | 19:35 |
| lardman | other way round | 19:35 |
| lardman | should be spelled *grey* | 19:35 |
| vasily_pupkin | (= | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | wrong time to typo :P | 19:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: indeed | 19:35 |
| lardman | sure was :D | 19:35 |
| Luke-Jr | mcpi: standalone | 19:36 |
| fiferboy | I can never remember how we spell it in Canada | 19:36 |
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| crashanddie | ok, how the fuck I apply an ldif through ldap admin? | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | do I** | 19:36 |
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| SamPieter | hi all, I have a 'home city' question... My city does not appear in the list. Can I add it myself? | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | SamPieter: context | 19:37 |
| SamPieter | ehm, Nokia N810 | 19:38 |
| lardman | I think he means which list ;) | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | SamPieter, timezone issue. | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just pick a major city in your timezone. | 19:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SamPieter: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=188982&postcount=1 perhaps | 19:38 |
| SamPieter | ah, the location, in 'Date & Time' | 19:39 |
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| lardman | see qwerty12_N810's post or do as GeneralAntilles says for the easy route | 19:39 |
| SamPieter | OK | 19:39 |
| lardman | unless you live in Adelaide of course, in which case your timezone doesn't exist at all ;) | 19:39 |
| SamPieter | (btw: I want to add a city in the Antilles) | 19:40 |
| lardman | what's the timexone? | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | lardman: I live on Adelaide road, am I in trouble? | 19:41 |
| SamPieter | wow, QWERTY's solution is a biggie | 19:41 |
| SamPieter | timezone is GMT-4 | 19:41 |
| lardman | crashanddie: might be :) | 19:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Not my solution :p | 19:41 |
| SamPieter | ah sorry qwerty | 19:41 |
| lardman | GMT-4 in the Caribbean? really? | 19:41 |
| SamPieter | yes lardman, really | 19:41 |
| lardman | wow | 19:41 |
| crashanddie | you sure it's not +4? | 19:42 |
| vasily_pupkin | (% | 19:42 |
| SamPieter | Willemstad, Curaçao to be exact | 19:42 |
| SamPieter | yes I'm sure it's not +4 | 19:42 |
| SamPieter | or am I? | 19:42 |
| lardman | must be +4, but anyway, only 4 hours different | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | no | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | -4 | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | is correct | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | +4 would put it somewhere in asia | 19:42 |
| SamPieter | ehm, GMT right now is? 17:42? | 19:42 |
| SamPieter | aye | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | no, BST is | 19:43 |
| Luke-Jr | ...fail | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | BST is 17:43 | 19:43 |
| SamPieter | it's 12:43 here local tome | 19:43 |
| ArSa_ | SamPieter that's same as EST | 19:43 |
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| Luke-Jr | GMT is for Greenwich people only | 19:43 |
| SamPieter | but NO daylight savings time thank you very much | 19:43 |
| jeremiah | Mon Aug 24 16:43:33 UTC 2009 | 19:43 |
| Luke-Jr | ArSa_: not EDT? | 19:43 |
| ArSa_ | right | 19:43 |
| crashanddie | Luke-Jr: lol, only hoodies and chavs? | 19:43 |
| ArSa_ | well, i don't know difference, forgive me :P | 19:44 |
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| ArSa_ | it's EDT now, i guess | 19:44 |
| SamPieter | ah UTC -4 | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | SamPieter: yup | 19:44 |
| lardman | hmm, it is -, strange | 19:44 |
| lardman | ah well | 19:44 |
| lardman | :) | 19:44 |
| Luke-Jr | I think EST is UTC-5 | 19:44 |
| SamPieter | :) | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | lardman: + goes to east, - goes to west | 19:44 |
| lardman | UTC is rubbish, it's called GMT, we invented it after all :p | 19:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles hits lardman with a timezone cluebat. | 19:44 | |
| ArSa_ | i like UT better | 19:44 |
| SamPieter | go lardman! | 19:44 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: no, GMT has daylight savings time | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr | UTC does not | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | lardman: no, GMT != UTC | 19:45 |
| ArSa_ | now, that's a topic for discussion, UT that is. | 19:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | ArSa_, pew pew! | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | lardman: because GMT disappears for a few months each year | 19:45 |
| lardman | luckily lardman had just fallen to the ground in exhaustion and the bat missed | 19:45 |
| lardman | no it doesnt | 19:45 |
| SamPieter | hmmm | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr | does | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | yeah it does, because BST | 19:45 |
| SamPieter | how do I get root access? do I need to install something first? | 19:45 |
| lardman | yeah, but BST = GMT+1 | 19:45 |
| lardman | so GMT is still there | 19:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~root-access | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr | SamPieter: install GentoO! | 19:45 |
| infobot | i guess root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | lardman: no, BST = UTC + 1 | 19:45 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: no, BST = UTC+1 | 19:45 |
| SamPieter | BST = Bull Sh*t Time??) | 19:46 |
| lardman | no, UTC = rubbish | 19:46 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman = rubbish | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | lardman: you're rubbish | 19:46 |
| Luke-Jr | timezones are rubbish too | 19:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SamPieter: I was thinking the exact same thing *grin* | 19:46 |
| Luke-Jr | all that matters is UTC and UGT | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, take that to #gentoo, please. | 19:46 |
| lardman | bloody colonies | 19:46 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:46 |
| SamPieter | thank you infobot | 19:46 |
| infobot | SamPieter: my pleasure | 19:46 |
| ArSa_ | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/05/universal_time_zone.html | 19:46 |
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| SamPieter | ok i love you guys | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman, we kicked your ass in 1776 then saved it twice in 1918 and 1945. :P | 19:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: you'd think that they'd have respect for their owners | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | SamPieter: in that case, I'm happy you're in the carribean | 19:47 |
| lardman | ah that's true isn't it, UTC != GMT as one has some microseconds added to it | 19:47 |
| Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: nonsense, England just didn't make a sincere effort | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman: yup | 19:47 |
| Luke-Jr | at least for the first one | 19:47 |
| ArSa_ | heh | 19:47 |
| lardman | GeneralAntilles: you lot only got involved because it suited you | 19:47 |
| SamPieter | crashanddie: I'm glad myself! great weather all year round, superb diving... | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | SamPieter: and hurricanes | 19:48 |
| Luke-Jr | and the crimes in the 1900s are hardly praise-worthy | 19:48 |
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| lardman | SamPieter: does sound good, what about hurricanes though? | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: if you want to go that route (pronounce: root), don't forget you got your independance thanks to the French, which is less than honourable | 19:48 |
| ArSa_ | you hide? | 19:48 |
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| SamPieter | crashanddie: NO hurricanes! we live below the hurrican belt, hasn't been a hurricane here in about 125 years | 19:48 |
| lardman | quick Nokia, give us new hw so we stop abusing each other! | 19:48 |
| crashanddie | Actually, I think you're the only country on earth that actually needed the french to win any kind of war | 19:48 |
| Luke-Jr | LOL | 19:49 |
| lardman | lol | 19:49 |
| ArSa_ | hehe | 19:49 |
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| Luke-Jr | if England *really* wanted the colonies they could have won | 19:49 |
| derf | Other than France, you mean. | 19:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | The saddest part about it is that we've now gone and squandered away everything that we gained. | 19:49 |
| Luke-Jr | but they figures the USA would just collapse shortly anyway and then would be a better time | 19:49 |
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| lardman | derf: did they ever win anything? | 19:49 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:50 |
| derf | lardman: Charlemagne did alright. | 19:50 |
| Luke-Jr | anyhow, we all agree on UGT at least, right? | 19:50 |
| lardman | well actually I seem to remember they invaded us of course... :) | 19:50 |
| lardman | Anyway, back to business | 19:50 |
| lardman | :) | 19:50 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: RIGHT? | 19:50 |
| lardman | yeah, "morning all"! | 19:50 |
| SamPieter | crashanddie: that reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObC7S712ghQ | 19:50 |
| Luke-Jr | ☺ | 19:50 |
| Luke-Jr | morning, lardman | 19:50 |
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| * lardman can't see that, not having unicode and all | 19:51 | |
| pupnik | mytube broken for anyone else? | 19:51 |
| Luke-Jr | lardman: fail | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | SamPieter: hehe... I'm about 50 feet from Waterloo :P | 19:51 |
| SamPieter | you are? | 19:52 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: too new-fangled for me | 19:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Unicode is what? at least 10 years old by now | 19:52 |
| SamPieter | had a great leugh when they got scared from the sound of the cannons | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | "Unknown meaning for error number -1642; Please call a Novell support provider" <-- That's just making errors profitable | 19:52 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr: as I said :) | 19:52 |
| Luke-Jr | Unicode 1.0.0 is dated 1991 | 19:53 |
| Luke-Jr | so 18 years old | 19:53 |
| Luke-Jr | it's an adult now | 19:53 |
| Luke-Jr | :þ | 19:53 |
| crashanddie | but it still gets raped all over the internet | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | mostly by bolding americans | 19:54 |
| crashanddie | balding** | 19:54 |
| ArSa_ | tis | 19:54 |
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| lcuk | konttori, ping | 19:56 |
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| * lardman offers some around | 20:05 | |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:07 |
| lcuk | lardman, oh yessssssssssssssssss please | 20:10 |
| * lcuk really needs one | 20:10 | |
| lardman | :) | 20:10 |
| lardman | mmmm, beery and cold, mmmm | 20:10 |
| lardman | hi johnsq | 20:11 |
| lcuk | brb bud in fridge lol | 20:11 |
| dark | How i can install nmap | 20:11 |
| lardman | apt-get install nmap | 20:11 |
| lardman | ? | 20:11 |
| Corsac | is bud really a beer? | 20:11 |
| lardman | yuck, what's wrong with you lcuk! ;) | 20:11 |
| lardman | too sweet for my liking, am imbibing a Becks | 20:12 |
| lcuk | its cold and in bottle form | 20:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Too hot for tea. | 20:22 |
| johnsq | any nice photo-frame software for n810? | 20:22 |
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| lbt | johnsq: not yet AFAIK... it's on my todo list | 20:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to harass Chad. | 20:22 | |
| SamPieter | qwerty12_N810: your helpful link tells me to do some stuff with a file on a linux box | 20:22 |
| SamPieter | which I do not have | 20:22 |
| SamPieter | what else can I do? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | johnsq, you mean a poto slideshow tool | 20:23 |
| lcuk | or including uploads/downloads | 20:23 |
| lcuk | photo | 20:23 |
| johnsq | lcuk: only photo slideshow | 20:24 |
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| lcuk | theres plenty for slideshows - even default desktop stuff should work | 20:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | SamPieter: Choose a city in your timezone? =) | 20:24 |
| lcuk | but a photoframe where you have to keep screwing with settings in the console isnt useful lol | 20:24 |
| SamPieter | heh | 20:24 |
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| johnsq | lcuk: but none, like a photo-frame, only random slideshow | 20:25 |
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| johnsq | lcuk: I want also directory and photo frontend. | 20:25 |
| lcuk | doesnt canola have slideshow | 20:25 |
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| johnsq | mmm feh has also a thumbnail mode, i will try it. | 20:27 |
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| wiretapped | feh is great | 20:27 |
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| wiretapped | for flipping through a large collection of images very quickly | 20:28 |
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| johnsq | wiretapped: yes i thought it runs only automatic, has no interactive mode | 20:28 |
| * mgedmin things feh is a poorly-chosen name of low googlability | 20:29 | |
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| rkirti | feh reminds me of the physicists top-rated articles about being f-e-h smart (feynman-einstein-hawking) | 20:30 |
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| johnsq | directory up and directory selecting is missing in feh thumbnail mode. | 20:33 |
| wiretapped | WOW, a java x86 emu: http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/home_home.html | 20:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I would click but I kinda need Firefox not to crash... | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | kotcomix does images | 20:38 |
| lcuk | tho its not featureful yet | 20:38 |
| lcuk | shortest tea on record | 20:39 |
| johnsq | there are no much features needed, slideshow and index/thumbnail modus, zoom and rotate, and everything touchscreen friendly. | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | then you have the bulletpoints for your app, choose a toolkit, make johnsqview and you win | 20:41 |
| lcuk | (or make your own lol) | 20:41 |
| johnsq | lcuk: yeah, but I have already 10 started and incomplete projects, i must first finish something before i start something new. | 20:42 |
| lcuk | then shurrup waffling on irc and get on with it | 20:42 |
| * lcuk wiped the slate almost clean the other night | 20:43 | |
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| Firebird | Can anyone test these two files ( http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a1f40f98350b96e2a8460430cf93834be04e75f6e8ebb871 ) for me? Specifically the Menu->Internet Game->Change nickname dialog | 20:50 |
| Firebird | I can't get keyboard input to work on any qt dialogs | 20:50 |
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| * Firebird hopes for someone to be glancing at IRC while working in the maemo5 SDK :o | 20:52 | |
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| konttori | lcuk: pong | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | konttori, hiya \o pm waiting | 20:57 |
| konttori | waiting for what? | 20:57 |
| lcuk | your response | 20:57 |
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| plastun | hello, I when I try to copy any file from Tablet to Desktop via USB connection using scp command, I get error: 'port 22: connection refused'. What's wrong? | 20:59 |
| johnsq | plastun: have you started the ssh server on the tablet, when you type scp on your desktop computer? | 21:00 |
| plastun | sshd daemon working | 21:01 |
| plastun | but scp from Desktopt ot Tablet working | 21:01 |
| johnsq | plastun: you want to use scp on the tablet and copy to the desktop pc? | 21:02 |
| plastun | yes | 21:02 |
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| johnsq | plastun: than sshd server on your pc must be running. firewall on pc? | 21:03 |
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| plastun | oh. yes | 21:05 |
| plastun | thnks | 21:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn 5800 doesn't have the alpha letters on the dialer. . . . | 21:06 |
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| * Stskeeps yawns and ponders making coffee | 21:08 | |
| VDVsx | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/nokia-n900-puts-on-makeup-does-hair-for-leaked-press-shot/ | 21:08 |
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| VDVsx | different theme ? | 21:09 |
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| plastun | what GTK engine is native for N900? for N800, 810 it is sapwood | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | go look in SDK? | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Chad's fucking voicemail is full. | 21:10 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, errr, sometimes the SDK lies :P | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: ah, yeah, your bluemaemo stuff | 21:11 |
| VDVsx | hehe | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it more like published SDK is out of sync with current internal snapshots? | 21:12 |
| VDVsx | kudos to the bluez dev's should be solved ;) | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | (which does happen in beta sw) | 21:12 |
| * GeneralAntilles dreams up nasty things for Apple. | 21:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | N900 | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Interesting | 21:13 |
| Firebird | ? | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Man that statusbar is the worst | 21:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, see VDVsx's link above | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just interesting to finally have the model confirmed. | 21:14 |
| VDVsx | can be PS :) | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, true, but it seems unlikely | 21:14 |
| Firebird | wow, that looks really nice | 21:15 |
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| javispedro | how many sensors this thing has? | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, Engadget commenters, how I love you guys. | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | btw, is it known what the "IrDA" one is for? | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, LED, ambient light, proximity and VGA camera on the front. | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | No | 21:16 |
| javispedro | ah, left is on upper corner then :P | 21:16 |
| javispedro | s/left/LED/ | 21:16 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: ah, LED is on upper corner then :P | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather, LED, proximity, VGA, ambient. | 21:16 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, look at the return button, this version has the first one that we saw in the SDK, now the SDK and Eldar shots have a different one :) | 21:17 |
| t_s_o | javispedro: irda? that infrared data | 21:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: an icon in the SDK shows a blue LED lighting in the bottom left corner | 21:17 |
| lcuk | that mockup looks sweeeet - i especially like how the buttons look like original liqbase lol | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, Eldar's shots also show the LED. | 21:17 |
| javispedro | yeah, I'm talking my ass ;P it must be that blob on the "upper left while in portrait mode" corner. | 21:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: interesting, I was paying too much attention to the screenshots... | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I really hope Fremantle can keep up with the hype the press has been generating | 21:19 |
| javispedro | screenshots which tell that it is a multicoloured one at least. | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | It'll be a deathblow for the platform if Fremantle turns out to be an abortion. | 21:19 |
| andre__ | some stuff WILL suck. i mean, that's with every single platform out there. ;-) | 21:19 |
| andre__ | i even promise that some stuff will suck. ;-) | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, of course, there's plenty of wiggle room. | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it'll turn into a Newton if it sucks too badly. | 21:20 |
| lcuk | newton didnt have a BJ port did it? | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Even though they really turned the platform around with the MessagePad 2000, the stigma the 100-series created prevent it from being successful. | 21:20 |
| Gadgetoid | Wheee! | 21:20 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: somewhere in the back | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | mustv been small then. trust you to find it | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid | 'ello 'ello old friends! I've finally actually bought myself an N810! | 21:21 |
| VDVsx | andre__, btw, still testing extras-devel stuff for Fremantle ? | 21:21 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, always a bit, sure | 21:22 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, :) excellent | 21:22 |
| Gadgetoid | I've been lusting after one for about 2 years, a £130 price tag is too good to pass up | 21:23 |
| lcuk | hope you have a long and happy life with it. they are excellent versatile machines. | 21:23 |
| Luke-Jr | Gadgetoid: £130 isn't even close to a good deal anymore | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid | Its life might be cut short by Pandora... *might* | 21:24 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, you wouldnt know a good deal if it dropped to its knees and pulled your pants down | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | pfft pandora :P | 21:24 |
| Luke-Jr | Gadgetoid: uh, no | 21:24 |
| Gadgetoid | I know they fire sold from PC World for about £80 in January Luke-Jr | 21:24 |
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| Luke-Jr | Gadgetoid: Nokia doesn't even support N810 anymore | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, what, Pandora and not http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml | 21:24 |
| Gadgetoid | The whole N900 being a phone thing really turned me off | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr | Gadgetoid: too bad N810 is closed so without Nokia's support the community is left in the water | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, the trolling has to stop. | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Let's call this warning number 1. | 21:25 |
| Luke-Jr | only the truth | 21:25 |
| Gadgetoid | I never thought Nokia's support counted for much anyway, particularly with the community simply writing entire alternate OSes for NITs and ITs in general | 21:26 |
| Luke-Jr | if Nokia doesn't want it said, they should provide us specs | 21:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't have anything to do with Nokia. | 21:26 |
| Luke-Jr | Gadgetoid: yeah, but we lack the specs to support the key features | 21:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It has everything to do with me being tired you you spending all day trolling in here. | 21:26 |
| lcuk | out of the box, the nokia is strong and stable and capable and has a wide range of software for a magnitude of different things. its very rare a support issue comes up | 21:26 |
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| Gadgetoid | Tried reverse engineering? It's like engineering, only in reverse... | 21:26 |
| Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: truth != troll | 21:26 |
| Luke-Jr | Gadgetoid: yeah, a slow process | 21:27 |
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| Luke-Jr | Gadgetoid: working on the battery first | 21:27 |
| Gadgetoid | It builds character! | 21:27 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, its not the words, its the attitude that you say them with | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, define it however you wish to define it. Just remember this is warning #3. | 21:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/3/1/ | 21:27 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: Luke-Jr, define it however you wish to define it. Just remember this is warning #1. | 21:27 |
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| Luke-Jr | if anything, the real trolling is the supression of the facts with threats. | 21:29 |
| Gadgetoid | lcuk is correct, anyway, it's still a solid device out of the box, as interesting as alternate OSes are they will be low on my priority to play with | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, drop it and move on. | 21:29 |
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| X-Fade | Luke-Jr: Had you have followed the forums or been to the meetings, you know that Nokia is going to provide us with as much as possible to provide a community image. | 21:29 |
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| johnsq | Mmm out of the box? It seems that i have another definition of good / usable software. | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr | X-Fade: I followed the bugs, where the conclusion was just basically "no, we don't support N810" | 21:30 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: admittedly, it is useful as a notepad out of the box ;) | 21:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | A notepad that is able to go on the internet and do tons of other shit, that is? | 21:31 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: I played with the notepad, its not touchscreen useable. | 21:31 |
| Gadgetoid | Okay johnsq, it's fair to say that it'll need a firmware update and some software downloads! | 21:31 |
| * Stskeeps is getting fond of conboy. | 21:31 | |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: huh? | 21:32 |
| johnsq | Gadgetoid: yes, you need a good music player, good video player,,.. | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid | Anyway, I've tried an N810 before (review loan) and adored it... perhaps I've yet to become jaded! | 21:32 |
| Gadgetoid | johnsq: All part of the fun! | 21:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | If that screenshot is not a Photoshop, then we can take the final device name to be "N900". | 21:32 |
| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: the browser is a joke, IMO; the IM doesn't even work | 21:32 |
| lcuk | johnsq, 90% of the time, my devices are used with default games and default browser and default apps | 21:32 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: I aspect something like xjournal on a touchscreen device, note a notepad. | 21:32 |
| lcuk | stuff you can pickup and use | 21:32 |
| lcuk | they are just left around the house and someone walks up to it | 21:33 |
| lcuk | and uses it for whats needed | 21:33 |
| lcuk | even shitty stuff like calculator etc | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: Not gonna disagree with you on the browser, but it can be used for downloading Tear, at least | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But I have higher hopes for the browser in the Rover. | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | browser-ui will be open-source this time around, at least | 21:33 |
| lcuk | johnsq, now thats where we agree, i want liqbase on device when you buy it lol | 21:34 |
| johnsq | not possible to take a phote with the original firmware. | 21:34 |
| Luke-Jr | I bought the N810 mainly for the GPS, which is probably why I'm so annoyed | 21:34 |
| johnsq | s/phote/photo | 21:34 |
| Gadgetoid | Haha Luke-Jr, for the GPS!? | 21:34 |
| Gadgetoid | It's all so clear now... | 21:34 |
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| Luke-Jr | >_< | 21:34 |
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| vasily_pupkin | epic fail ^_^ | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid | Did anyone ever actually get a bluetooth mouse working with an N810, for giggles? | 21:35 |
| Firebird | they make bluetooth mouses? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | yeah with green tails | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid | Yeah, they're small, squeaky, and completely wireless | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do you think Apple uses? | 21:35 |
| Firebird | RF? | 21:35 |
| wiretapped | ARE WE THERE YET? | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid | Apple mice communicate using smugness waves | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, Bluetooth is RF. ;) | 21:36 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, yes, they make Bluetooth mice. | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Used to be that most wireless mice were Bluetooth. | 21:36 |
| Gadgetoid | I've never been inclined to buy an Apple mice, they're awful... but their keyboards are delicious | 21:36 |
| Firebird | GeneralAntilles, meant the cheapo RF stuff, but meh | 21:36 |
| * wiretapped has had the same not-smart phone for years | 21:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, yeah, I know. | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Like Logitech. | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | With dongles. | 21:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple uses Bluetooth. | 21:36 |
| * wiretapped is ready for this new device | 21:36 | |
| Gadgetoid | I despise the fact that most wireless mice are now RF and most laptops now contain bluetooth... the solution is to make small RF dongles... WAH!!? | 21:36 |
| Gadgetoid | If they insist on going that way, why don't they just build RF into laptops... | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gadgetoid, yeah, I don't get that either. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | Gadgetoid, there might be many with, but theres also many without | 21:37 |
| Gadgetoid | Microsoft showed me their Bluetrack RF notebook mouse and I told them "boring! come back when you have a bluetooth version" | 21:37 |
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| Gadgetoid | Yeah, lcuk, the solution is to bundle the mice with a bluetooth dongle | 21:37 |
| Gadgetoid | Or simply stipulate it as a requirement... granted bluetooth isn't always easy to set up either whereas RF is idiot-proof plug-n-play | 21:38 |
| lcuk | but bluetooth stack is heavy and complex and increases support costs | 21:38 |
| lcuk | cos they have to maintain the entire stack | 21:38 |
| Firebird | also, dongles are config free | 21:38 |
| Gadgetoid | Surprises me that some genius doesn't come up with a recessed USB port in notebooks | 21:39 |
| Gadgetoid | Flip a switch, plug in your dongle, flip it back and it's completely concealed inside the laptop | 21:39 |
| johnsq | Gadgetoid: use the internal usb port | 21:39 |
| Gadgetoid | (patent pending) | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | Gadgetoid: Touch Book | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | The dongle prevents the usb from sleeping, thus using a lot of energy. | 21:39 |
| Gadgetoid | johnsq: yeah, because that's infinitely more user friendly! | 21:39 |
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| Firebird | Gadgetoid, then there would need to be a standard dongle size | 21:40 |
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| MaceN8x0 | Swap: 1151180k total, 189704k used, 961476k free, 3864k cached | 21:40 |
| Gadgetoid | It seems peripheral manufacturers should simply license Apple's "Smugness" data transmission chips | 21:40 |
| Gadgetoid | Most dongles are pretty similar in size | 21:40 |
| MaceN8x0 | wow | 21:40 |
| MaceN8x0 | getting up there | 21:40 |
| MaceN8x0 | luke when does it crash? | 21:40 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 21:40 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Did the permalinks in the notification mails resolve now? | 21:45 |
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| Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: eventually | 21:49 |
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| Firebird | interesting, maemo5 QT turns colors from green to blue | 22:05 |
| aquatix | hm, the other way around would be cooler | 22:05 |
| lcuk | in the scratchbox install? | 22:05 |
| Firebird | yea, maybe I forgot to close a styling tag | 22:06 |
| Firebird | it also makes the font HUGE :/ | 22:06 |
| lcuk | the scaratchbox xephyr thing has an issue where colors are inverted | 22:07 |
| Firebird | ah | 22:07 |
| lcuk | or wrong rather | 22:07 |
| lcuk | so dont go fixing your code to compensate lol, or you will have it wrong on hardware when it comes lol | 22:07 |
| Firebird | heh | 22:08 |
| Firebird | do dialog boxes not work or something? I can't get qt to pop any up | 22:08 |
| lcuk | dunno | 22:08 |
| lcuk | see qt for that | 22:09 |
| lcuk | its not officially supported so there may be bugs | 22:09 |
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| keesj | anybody played with pyside yet? | 22:10 |
| lbt | :) | 22:11 |
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| Firebird | hmm, is the panel thing that pops up from the bottom hildon gtk dialog boxes? | 22:12 |
| lcuk | no keesj certainly looks interesting | 22:12 |
| lcuk | and you are smiling happily lbt lol | 22:12 |
| lcuk | Firebird, assume so, but without seeing cannot tell | 22:13 |
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| javispedro | Firebird, the weird xephyr colors bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 (vote for it if you want) ;) | 22:13 |
| javispedro | it does not only affect sdl now... | 22:13 |
| Firebird | ah, thanks javispedro | 22:14 |
| X-Fade | keesj: pyside is building on the autobuilder now. So it should be in extras-devel soon(ish) | 22:14 |
| Gadgetoid | I want Maemo 5 on my netbook, whee! | 22:16 |
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| X-Fade | Gadgetoid: Do you think the interface would make much sense without the touchscreen? | 22:17 |
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| Gadgetoid | X-Fade: Touchscreen mod isn't so hard though | 22:17 |
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| X-Fade | Gadgetoid: And at 10" one really wants 3000x1200px orso ;) | 22:25 |
| X-Fade | Beautiful fonts... | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | want multiples of 800*480 :P | 22:26 |
| lcuk | using same 225+dpi screen | 22:26 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, well 200+ at least.. | 22:27 |
| lcuk | i cant look at only 200 any more | 22:27 |
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| lcuk | hurts my eyes :P | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want 300dpi at least. | 22:28 |
| X-Fade | Well, new device should help then :) | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | yeah, its got slightly higher dpi than 810 doesnt it | 22:28 |
| Gadgetoid | At 10" I must say that 1024*600 is pretty depressing | 22:28 |
| Gadgetoid | I used to have a VAIO picturebook closing on that, and it was 10 years old | 22:29 |
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| X-Fade | My 1920x1280 15.4" laptop screen feels very low res. | 22:29 |
| Gadgetoid | That reminds me, Sony haven't got back to me regarding their P series, grumble | 22:29 |
| * lcuk uses 1280*1024 normally, and 1024*768 on the move | 22:29 | |
| Gadgetoid | I use 1920x1200 on my desktop, haha, at 24" | 22:29 |
| X-Fade | Pixel galore.. | 22:30 |
| Gadgetoid | Plus whatever the hell resolution the 13" MBP runs at | 22:30 |
| Gadgetoid | But, yeah, the pixel density of mobile devices absolutely stomps on the nonsense we're used to on desktops | 22:30 |
| pupnik | bleh fps counter nshows lower nhumbers than my eyes say | 22:31 |
| lcuk | hack it then | 22:31 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: permalinks are still in subject | 22:31 |
| pupnik | i cant | 22:32 |
| lcuk | then trust it lol | 22:32 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But now at least they work, right? :) | 22:32 |
| pupnik | i think it is right | 22:32 |
| lcuk | take less drugs | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | or more drugs | 22:32 |
| lcuk | whichever is required so it looks right | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2048*1152 is nice | 22:33 |
| keesj | I need some help finding hotel/hostel location in amsterdam for the summit | 22:33 |
| pupnik | just that nobody will be impressed with 10-17 fps, tho rpgs play fine | 22:33 |
| pupnik | i have a huge list of bookmarks | 22:33 |
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| pupnik | what pricderange | 22:33 |
| keesj | all? | 22:34 |
| Gadgetoid | Hmm, I might have to get a touchscreen kit for my NC10... touch screen Diablo 2 is mighty tempting | 22:34 |
| keesj | I guess more the cheap stuff | 22:34 |
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| pupnik | you want to sleep in a room with 8 partier college backpackers? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | do we get to choose gender? | 22:35 |
| keesj | it's not for myself . more a list of possible location from cheap to doable | 22:36 |
| pupnik | i dont have bookmarks on n810 - how bout wiki links | 22:36 |
| keesj | lcuk: it; easyer if you you get to choose you own gender | 22:37 |
| lcuk | thats harder to change mind afterwards | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | its not like you can say "ooops, wrong room" | 22:37 |
| keesj | we currently have http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation but that's not a lot | 22:38 |
| lcuk | who did planning for the copenhagen hackfest | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | i wrote up like 3 hotels that i knew of, and i think nokia ended with one of them | 22:39 |
| keesj | or shagg it baby perhaps (works better I guess) | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | actually mozilla guy did | 22:39 |
| keesj | lcuk: some smart guys . I was very happy with the maemo-mapper cards and the whole experiance | 22:39 |
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| keesj | Stskeeps: for copenhagen or amsterdam? | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | cph | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | keesj, it was an example of on a budget all in one - obviously accom couldv been bigger, but that was budget related | 22:41 |
| lcuk | they *did* do really well | 22:41 |
| lcuk | perhaps having a word with them might help | 22:41 |
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| keesj | hmm | 22:45 |
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| pupnik | lcuk | 22:47 |
| lcuk | mm | 22:47 |
| pupnik | at what framerate would you say... | 22:47 |
| pupnik | it is worth while to skip sdl | 22:47 |
| pupnik | above 20? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | i dont understand the question really, because different games play differently | 22:48 |
| pupnik | higher fps from emu means more percent time spent in render | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | ok, we are talking about fullscene single rectangle updating | 22:49 |
| lcuk | what res? | 22:49 |
| pupnik | hmm | 22:50 |
| lcuk | well, what resolution are you rendering | 22:50 |
| pupnik | 320x200 mostly for dos | 22:50 |
| lcuk | recall liqbase at 800*480 can push max 27fps, at 640*480, it can push 33fps, at 400*240 it can go way over 50fps | 22:51 |
| pupnik | not much eh | 22:51 |
| pupnik | mhm | 22:51 |
| lcuk | obviously those are lazy updates | 22:51 |
| lcuk | the emu work in between is what controls screen refresh for you | 22:51 |
| pupnik | yeah - push | 22:51 |
| lcuk | that work you cannot get away from | 22:51 |
| pupnik | would prefer triple buffer with HW page flipping | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | extra effort, how many fps at you seeing in practice | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | and what would "skip sdl" entail | 22:53 |
| pupnik | dos games-- eh 10-30 | 22:53 |
| pupnik | fast asm copy / conversion from 8-bit palletted to 16-bit 565 | 22:54 |
| Macer | ok | 22:54 |
| Macer | i'm home | 22:54 |
| Macer | guess it did crash :) | 22:54 |
| Macer | wtf is up with that Luke-Jr | 22:55 |
| Macer | ? | 22:55 |
| Macer | it just randomly crashes when building? how lame | 22:55 |
| Macer | i'm going to try your bins again | 22:55 |
| Macer | with -K instead of -k | 22:55 |
| Gadgetoid | Macer: My head esplode. | 22:55 |
| Macer | Gadgetoid: yeah. that's an n810 for you :) | 22:55 |
| pupnik | preferably with hw fullscreen from 320x200 or 240 (or 320x400 or other strange modes) | 22:55 |
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| pupnik | bilinear filtered | 22:56 |
| Macer | i have to boot it back into gentoo | 22:56 |
| Macer | bastard :) | 22:56 |
| pupnik | to n00x480 | 22:56 |
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| pupnik | lcuk did you say you could get arbitrary resolutions on display? | 22:57 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: it didn't crash; the watchdog rebooted it | 22:57 |
| Luke-Jr | exactly liek I said it would | 22:57 |
| Macer | oh :-\ | 22:58 |
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| Macer | would it have crashed? :) | 22:58 |
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| Macer | if watchdog was disabled? heh | 22:58 |
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| Macer | emerge -gk qt-webkit -a1 | 22:59 |
| lcuk | pupnik | 22:59 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:59 |
| lcuk | but they are yuv surfaces | 22:59 |
| lcuk | there was talk of offering rgb surfaces in XV | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | but i have not followed this path tho | 22:59 |
| lcuk | i dont know if it got put in or not | 22:59 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: you said it should say [binary] instead of [ebuild] right? | 23:00 |
| Macer | [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 USE="-debug (-kde) -pch" | 23:00 |
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| Luke-Jr | Macer: I said to unmask the KDE useflag | 23:01 |
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| Macer | hm. thought i did. my bad. | 23:02 |
| Macer | must have crashed in the middle of doing it haha | 23:02 |
| pupnik | lcuk you have this -set yuv- code onlines? and some thing i can use for rgb->yuv? | 23:02 |
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| Macer | yeah. i did already | 23:03 |
| Macer | it's unmasked | 23:03 |
| pupnik | i want to remove any bottleneck in render | 23:03 |
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| Macer | i added it to USE | 23:03 |
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| pupnik | sorry for being not present for those things-- i had other issues | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, of course, all code i do is online | 23:04 |
| lcuk | understood :) | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | problem is libliqbase current has *shock* removed the default mechanism for choosing screen res | 23:04 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: you sure that's the right name for the pkg? or do i need a full name for it or something? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | it was a reature i used less than i intended | 23:04 |
| Macer | because -G isn't finding the bin pkg | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, the rgb->yuv code would be the biggest kicker | 23:06 |
| lcuk | i could show you a fairly simple standalone yuv project | 23:06 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: I said to unmask the KDE useflag | 23:06 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: I said to unmask the KDE useflag | 23:06 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: I said to unmask the KDE useflag | 23:06 |
| lcuk | and give you direct access to the pixels | 23:06 |
| lcuk | for you to see how quick you can do stuff | 23:06 |
| lcuk | to test | 23:06 |
| Luke-Jr | echo -kde » /etc/portage/profile/use.mask | 23:06 |
| lcuk | and if that works, we can re-insert a function to open a display of different size to screen | 23:06 |
| pupnik | ya! | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | ok pupnik | 23:08 |
| lcuk | there is a liq* project in extras devel | 23:08 |
| lcuk | its called liqtorch | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | it is perhaps the simplest liq* app available | 23:09 |
| lcuk | afterall, its a white screen :) | 23:09 |
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| Firebird | hurray, finally, something to turn my tablet into a flashlight | 23:09 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:09 |
| pupnik | i try to get increase w/o reschange | 23:09 |
| lcuk | well | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i doubt you will transplant the whole working thing into your project in one go - walk before run | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | see how feasible it is converting image from rgb to yuv first | 23:10 |
| Macer | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit". | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | i know its not gonna be fast | 23:10 |
| Macer | restless portage # cat /etc/portage/profile/use.mask | 23:10 |
| Macer | -kde | 23:10 |
| lcuk | but whether the work to do that for such a low res sceen is better than using sdl | 23:11 |
| lcuk | is the question | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | btw, if theres anything wrong with liqtorch could someone let me know/have a go at fixing self :) | 23:12 |
| lcuk | having a decent good stable "hello world" would help for the other packages later - its all from a template | 23:13 |
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| Stskeeps | wb timeless_mbp_ | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Firebird, need something to toggle the LED, flash, and screen on/off. | 23:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, not GTK | 23:14 |
| lcuk | ? who said gtk | 23:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I did | 23:14 |
| lcuk | what about it | 23:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't want to load up a custom UI for a flashlight. | 23:15 |
| lcuk | but its the fastest damned flashlight on maemo! | 23:15 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:15 |
| lcuk | infact, its the ONLY damned flashlight on maemo | 23:15 |
| javispedro | yeah, it refreshes the flashlight at nearly MAX_INT frames per second!!! | 23:15 |
| lcuk | so you can sit in the dark | 23:15 |
| lcuk | whilst others step into the light | 23:16 |
| * Firebird used a 800x480 white image before | 23:16 | |
| lcuk | ahhh custom hack job | 23:16 |
| lcuk | javispedro, worst part about such a simple app - it had a bug! | 23:16 |
| lcuk | white was not white | 23:16 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, so you have never used canola nor used any of the qt stuff , nor gpe (i think) nor any of the palm stuff? | 23:17 |
| Firebird | hmm, what does the gear button do | 23:17 |
| lcuk | probably breaks it in that version | 23:17 |
| lcuk | it should drop down the context help and sketch pad and stuff | 23:17 |
| lcuk | but theres a clanger in there | 23:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | GPE is GTK | 23:18 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: wow like everything takes 30 minutes of editing files and unmasking a ton of shit | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Qt is now mostly native. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I've used Canola | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | But Canola is not a flashlight application. | 23:18 |
| Firebird | Macer, autounmask! | 23:18 |
| lcuk | no, it should be though! | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, ideally, a flashlight should be an applet. | 23:18 |
| lcuk | gsoc students should toil until canola is a flashlight | 23:18 |
| lcuk | it is an applet | 23:18 |
| derf | Open up a text editor to a blank document and maximize it. | 23:18 |
| Macer | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/automoc-0.9.87" have been masked. | 23:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I really don't feel like arguing about your pet project, though. | 23:18 |
| lcuk | it wil sit happily in liqbase-playground | 23:18 |
| Macer | Firebird: can you do that? :) | 23:18 |
| lcuk | its not gan | 23:19 |
| derf | I've actually done that while trying to fix my car in the dark before. | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I get that you love it, but no, everybody doesn't share your utter excitement. | 23:19 |
| lcuk | its a 20 minute quick thing | 23:19 |
| lcuk | to prove a point | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, LED flash. | 23:19 |
| Firebird | Macer, yea, there's a utility called autounmask in portage | 23:19 |
| derf | GeneralAntilles: I had a flashlight in the glove box, but the batteries were dead. | 23:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | derf, no, on the N900. | 23:19 |
| lcuk | EVERYBODY needs a flashlight on phone at some point | 23:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, nor do I want to replace Hildon Desktop with liqbase. | 23:19 |
| derf | I've got one in there now that you can wind up. | 23:19 |
| javispedro | are you discussing with flashlight application is more feature-full or lightweight? | 23:19 |
| Firebird | make a laser next | 23:19 |
| javispedro | s/with/which/ | 23:20 |
| lcuk | who hasnt crawled on knees with a dim phone screen | 23:20 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: are you discussing which flashlight application is more feature-full or lightweight? | 23:20 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: [15:10:41] <Macer> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit". | 23:20 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: wtf did you do | 23:20 |
| Macer | -G | 23:20 |
| Macer | instead of -g | 23:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I'm discussing why I don't want to see everything implemented in the liqbase framework. | 23:20 |
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| Luke-Jr | ooo | 23:20 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i dont know what GeneralAntilles is discussing, hes been a grump for a while now | 23:20 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: you might need to unmask KDE too ☺ | 23:20 |
| lcuk | and not at all community spirited | 23:20 |
| Luke-Jr | sorry, my qt-webkit is KDE-based | 23:20 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 23:20 |
| Macer | - kde-base/automoc-0.9.88 (masked by: missing keyword) | 23:21 |
| Macer | i can't get that one unmasked | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, :roll: | 23:21 |
| Macer | i don't know where i'm losing it but i checked package.keywords and can't figure it out | 23:21 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, this is linux, where letting variation and difference thrive | 23:21 |
| lcuk | where we have multiple valid desktops and CHOICE | 23:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that doesn't mean every variation is desirable or useful for everybody. | 23:21 |
| lcuk | and so dont download it | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'd prefer a desktop applet that doesn't involve a liqbase framework. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's my only point. | 23:22 |
| lcuk | then write one | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 23:22 |
| lcuk | why would it need to be on the main desktop btw | 23:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes to do something productive. | 23:22 | |
| lcuk | do you sit in dark that often | 23:22 |
| javispedro | the flashlight example is such a bad one... I'd prefer a native one, directly implemented in the LCD controller. | 23:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because when you need a flashlight, you need it quickly. | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | You don't need to spend a bunch of time launching the flashlight application. | 23:23 |
| lcuk | yeah - before now, you had to open a paint program, serlect a color | 23:23 |
| lcuk | paint over all the bits | 23:23 |
| lcuk | "bunch of time" | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | liqbase apps start quicker than anything else | 23:23 |
| javispedro | I guess he means loading time, but last time I tried liqbase was not very slow to launch. | 23:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, get back to me when you can move past the personal insults and pettiness. | 23:23 |
| Macer | ARGH | 23:24 |
| lcuk | ? | 23:24 |
| * Macer bangs his fucking head on a desk | 23:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, anything that's not an applet takes time to launch. | 23:24 |
| Macer | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/automoc-0.9.87" have been masked. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gotta bring up the app menu, open it, toggle the light on. | 23:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want a little switch on the desktop that toggles the LED flash on and off. | 23:24 |
| Macer | is there seriously an autounmask? :) | 23:24 |
| Firebird | Macer, yes | 23:24 |
| Macer | that would be nice to have considering you have to unmask everything to work right on this heh | 23:24 |
| lcuk | if you need it that often, just set your desktop background to white | 23:24 |
| lcuk | all the time | 23:24 |
| Macer | Firebird: awesome | 23:24 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i dont see where im insulting you? | 23:25 |
| Macer | i'll try that out instead of trying to do it manually | 23:25 |
| Macer | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "app-portage/autounmask" have been masked. | 23:25 |
| Macer | hahaha | 23:25 |
| Firebird | nice | 23:25 |
| Firebird | you killed gentoo >_> | 23:25 |
| Macer | no | 23:25 |
| Macer | all the stuff is masked for arm | 23:25 |
| Macer | everything requires adding it to some sort of unmasking file | 23:26 |
| lcuk | anyway pupnik, the flashlight is a good enough hello world to confirm if using it as a base for your emu stuff is viable | 23:26 |
| Firebird | ah | 23:26 |
| Macer | all this just to install a browser haha | 23:26 |
| Macer | - app-portage/autounmask-0.27 (masked by: missing keyword) | 23:27 |
| Macer | wtf. i don't know wtf the "missing keyword" is | 23:27 |
| Macer | seriously | 23:27 |
| lcuk | hang on, GeneralAntilles you installed it! | 23:27 |
| lcuk | i thought you said you wouldnt | 23:27 |
| lcuk | else how would you know it needed toggling | 23:27 |
| Firebird | Macer, did you add =app-portage/autounmask-0.27 ** | 23:28 |
| Firebird | to package.keywords | 23:28 |
| lcuk | all you need is the desktop menu app starter thingy | 23:28 |
| lcuk | and you can have a button on your desktop | 23:28 |
| Macer | i didn't know you had to add stuff like that to package.keywords | 23:28 |
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| Macer | is the ** to unmask everything? | 23:29 |
| Firebird | I think it unmasks the flags for the package | 23:29 |
| Macer | wow | 23:30 |
| Macer | i thought it was just really for arch problems | 23:30 |
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| Macer | didn't know i could use a ** for it :) | 23:30 |
| * Macer changes everything to ** | 23:30 | |
| Macer | haha | 23:30 |
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| Macer | [binary N ] dev-util/cmake-2.6.4 USE="qt4 -emacs -vim-syntax" | 23:31 |
| Firebird | nice | 23:31 |
| Macer | [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 USE="kde -debug -pch" | 23:31 |
| Macer | qt-webkit is still picking up as an ebuild | 23:31 |
| Firebird | the ( ) are gone I guess | 23:31 |
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| Macer | i wonder what vers he has | 23:31 |
| Macer | qt-webkit-4.5.1.tbz2 | 23:32 |
| Macer | weird | 23:32 |
| Macer | let me try with -G | 23:32 |
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| Macer | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit". | 23:33 |
| Macer | oh blah. fuck this for now | 23:33 |
| Macer | going to take a shower | 23:33 |
| Macer | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit". | 23:33 |
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| Macer | restless portage # emerge -Gk =x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 -a1 | 23:34 |
| Macer | let me try that before i go :) | 23:34 |
| Macer | nope. fail | 23:34 |
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| pupnik | ty lcuk - | 23:37 |
| jhford | is there any difference between issuing 'reboot' and 'init 6' on maemo devices? | 23:38 |
| lcuk | if you can get it building and stuff ill run over how close to the metal you can get | 23:38 |
| javispedro | i was planning to use liqbase too to abstract xv for me, but I think rgb->yuv is dealkiller here :( | 23:39 |
| lcuk | theres 2 sets of functions, one is v low level and the other is scaled so render ops occur | 23:39 |
| lcuk | yeah javispedro its why ive not pushed too much | 23:39 |
| lcuk | but at your low resolutions it might be feasible | 23:39 |
| pupnik | what if it is only 256 colors - one could dynrec the xversion | 23:39 |
| javispedro | dynrec the xversion? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | i couldnt get any omapfb 256 color screen | 23:40 |
| pupnik | conversion | 23:40 |
| lcuk | which is why i went xv | 23:40 |
| javispedro | a | 23:40 |
| lcuk | i wouldv been happy in greyscale | 23:40 |
| lcuk | and was for a long time :) | 23:40 |
| javispedro | I didn't find any paletted mode in the lcd controller | 23:40 |
| pupnik | i will be happy when omap2420 is history | 23:40 |
| pupnik | right | 23:40 |
| pupnik | hmm. weak, dizzy. means need food bbl | 23:41 |
| javispedro | yeah. I also want the 3D drivers so badly, even if nothing can be done with them. | 23:41 |
| lcuk | even if its history now, the lessons learnt here and extreme optimizations you guys put in now will only help further in the future | 23:41 |
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| MrGoose | lcuk: liqreader doesnt open files. Just the one that has all those spelling mistakes :D | 23:42 |
| lcuk | probably | 23:42 |
| lcuk | its only a test | 23:42 |
| MrGoose | okay. Its supposed to do that :D | 23:42 |
| lcuk | yeah - im a coder not an english majot | 23:43 |
| lcuk | r | 23:43 |
| lcuk | see | 23:43 |
| lcuk | you in the new playground, or original liqbase | 23:43 |
| MrGoose | Im just kidding. | 23:43 |
| lcuk | cos original should allow selection of .txt files | 23:43 |
| lcuk | and that works | 23:43 |
| lcuk | cos up until really recently i used it every day :) | 23:43 |
| MrGoose | hmmm... I think I tried the playground and am looking at the original code | 23:43 |
| lcuk | strange combination | 23:44 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:44 |
| lcuk | your mind will prolly explode | 23:44 |
| MrGoose | I'll try the original application then | 23:44 |
| MrGoose | which ones better? the playground or the original app? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | the playground is not in extras because its not complete | 23:45 |
| lcuk | its not an application | 23:45 |
| lcuk | and more a set of ideas - theres about 50 individual distinct widgets in it | 23:45 |
| lcuk | the application is coming soon :) | 23:45 |
| MrGoose | oh okay | 23:46 |
| lcuk | i had to use all the pieces to actually confirm the library was strong | 23:46 |
| MrGoose | so what do I use? liqbase or liqbase_playground | 23:46 |
| lcuk | to use, liqbase, to play and have a look at 3d ui on your 810, go into the playground | 23:46 |
| MrGoose | righto | 23:47 |
| lcuk | all of the pieces in the playground are plugins :) | 23:47 |
| lcuk | and will be available in small standalone apps | 23:47 |
| lcuk | but then when run in the playground will integrate together into a cohesive system (hopefully) | 23:47 |
| MrGoose | I really liked the torch application :D | 23:48 |
| lcuk | improve it then | 23:48 |
| lcuk | its small and still lacking polish | 23:48 |
| javispedro | luck: liqbase needs windowed mode :) | 23:48 |
| lcuk | ie icon and descriptions and styling | 23:48 |
| lcuk | javispedro, liqbase in windowed mode is possible :) | 23:48 |
| lcuk | but the mouse ops would currently break | 23:48 |
| lcuk | errr - be wrong - aspect ratio bugs | 23:49 |
| lcuk | its only 1 switch in the app for windowed/fullscreen and probably a tweak in the mouse code | 23:49 |
| lcuk | but i cant be arsed | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i like fullscreen | 23:49 |
| * lcuk has many other things to do | 23:49 | |
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| javispedro | because it may be easier to do "iphoneish"/"fremantleish" animations in it than using clutter | 23:50 |
| javispedro | +gtk | 23:50 |
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| Woolly | howdy hotdawgs | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, very likely, but its also still very young | 23:52 |
| lcuk | and theres a lot of work remaining | 23:52 |
| FireFox16 | hello, woolly | 23:53 |
| javispedro | there's work everywhere, that's usually a good signal :) | 23:53 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:53 |
| Woolly | FireFox16: salutations | 23:53 |
| lcuk | and ive probably made some huge cockups! | 23:53 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, #liqbase is where most discussion goes on nowadays :) | 23:59 |
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