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| qwerty12_N810 | toggles_w: congrats, you know your own name ;P | 00:23 |
| aol | timmy!! | 00:25 |
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| toggles_w | qwerty12_N810: lol, trying to test boxee in a i386 vm and somehow the focus ended up in this term | 00:27 |
| toggles_w | glad i didn't give you my password ;-) | 00:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 00:27 |
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| Proteous | we didn't know | 00:28 |
| johnsq | surprise | 00:28 |
| Proteous | you should put that information into your nick or something | 00:28 |
| b-man[VirtualBox | ok, ok - stupid comment ;p | 00:29 |
| Proteous | no no | 00:29 |
| Proteous | just stupid me makin fun of peeps cause I'm bored | 00:29 |
| toggles_w | lol | 00:29 |
| b-man[VirtualBox | lol | 00:29 |
| Proteous | I should go get coffee | 00:29 |
| Proteous | otherwise it will be grumpy Proteous with a headache annoying everyone | 00:30 |
| timeless_mbp | hello | 00:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | thanks | 00:32 |
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| b-man[VirtualBox | ~seen xnt14 | 00:44 |
| Luke-Jr | b-man16: #anime | 00:45 |
| Luke-Jr | toggles_w: Non non non non non non non non non non non non - i386 non non non non non non non non Boxee is a big laugh is distributed at the end of this period - non-test - VM's | 00:47 |
| toggles_w | ? | 00:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: Drugs are bad. | 00:47 |
| toggles_w | doesn't work on x64 or in my 386 vm | 00:47 |
| Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: Makin're peak I was bored silly fun | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | is that your own chan? | 00:49 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | nm | 00:50 |
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| straleks | hi ppl! | 00:57 |
| straleks | i have some questions about maemo | 00:58 |
| straleks | is maemo mer the OS on nokia N810? | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | no | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | To put it simply, Mer is a community version | 00:59 |
| lcuk | it is an os in development which will sit happily on the n810. but it is not yet complete usable by all os | 00:59 |
| lcuk | the standard os on the n810 is diablo | 00:59 |
| straleks | whats the difference? | 00:59 |
| lcuk | one works fully | 01:00 |
| lcuk | (to varying levels of fully | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | Well the official nokia OS on N810 will allegedly never get updated anymore | 01:00 |
| straleks | is the flash support any better? | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | nah, at best it'd be similar | 01:01 |
| johnsq | does that anybody need? | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | Adobe doesn't distribute any flash for arm afaik | 01:02 |
| straleks | the thing is, i'm making an application in flash that's supposed to run on the N810, but it's a little heavy for the device | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mer - on ARM - doesn't have Flash. Flash for ARM is licensed by Nokia for the tablets | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | so only binary available is the one that comes with maemo4/diablo | 01:02 |
| straleks | and N810 has only 400 MHz of power | 01:03 |
| lcuk | rockets can get to the moon with less mhz | 01:03 |
| straleks | so i'm looking at smartQ 5, which has 667 MHz i think | 01:03 |
| straleks | and I saw that you can install Mer on it | 01:03 |
| straleks | but if it cant run flash then thats no use | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | There's no adobe flash available for smartq5 :) | 01:04 |
| straleks | i guess it can run flash from linux | 01:04 |
| lcuk | whats flash support like on iphone | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | There's gnash, but it's probably quite slow and not complete | 01:04 |
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| straleks | you cant run flash on smartq 5? | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | Personally I've not yet found a computer that makes flash look not "heavy" :) | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | did they add full flash in browser to apple stuff? | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | There's no adobe flash for smartq5 | 01:05 |
| johnsq | straleks: smartq5 has also only arm | 01:05 |
| lcuk | lol ShadowJK aint that true | 01:05 |
| lcuk | my desktop suffers with most things | 01:05 |
| straleks | what is arm? | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | It's the CPU architechture | 01:06 |
| * lcuk waves \o | 01:06 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 gets the scissors | 01:06 | |
| johnsq | straleks: you are developing a flash application and don't know something about cpu's? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | of course not, hes abstracted from it | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | Adobe Flash is closed source, so it can't be recompiled for different processor architectures. Therefore, adobe decides fully where flash will work and where it wont. | 01:06 |
| lcuk | flash is like toy programming ;) | 01:06 |
| lcuk | kinda like java lol | 01:07 |
| * lcuk waits | 01:07 | |
| ShadowJK | Except that there are some people who are trying to reverse engineer flash and stuff and recreate it from scratch, but it's not complete, and adobe adds more features all the time in new versions, etc.. | 01:07 |
| straleks | dont ge me started on flash and java comparisons;) | 01:07 |
| lcuk | what is it you are trying to do | 01:07 |
| lcuk | and why specifically | 01:07 |
| lcuk | flash | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, apparently he has made a "program" in flash :) | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, you might be able to get flash lite from adobe actually | 01:07 |
| lcuk | i guess a flash app would be similar to a liq* app :) | 01:07 |
| straleks | im trying to create a finger friendly application for use in taxies | 01:08 |
| Luke-Jr | Flash = fail | 01:08 |
| lcuk | why | 01:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Flash = non-free. We get the point. :) | 01:08 |
| Komzpa | i'm trying to install mer. i downloaded and untarred rootfs to ext3 formatted sd and have my device set to boot from sd by flasher. when i try to boot it it shows splash and says "incompatible bootloader, rebooting in 15 secs" | 01:08 |
| Luke-Jr | Flash makes Java look good | 01:08 |
| straleks | and thought flash would be better than html/javascript | 01:08 |
| Luke-Jr | nothing wrong with HTML+ECMAScript | 01:08 |
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| straleks | yeah, i've been thinking about trying to create the same thing in html/js | 01:09 |
| straleks | guess i'll try that | 01:09 |
| lcuk | have you tried flash itself on device | 01:09 |
| lcuk | it works | 01:09 |
| straleks | yes | 01:09 |
| lcuk | and so the problem you have is how to optimize it | 01:09 |
| straleks | but its too slow | 01:10 |
| straleks | that is correct | 01:10 |
| Komzpa | when i insert back flash with diablo, and try to start following http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation - it says package merinstaller is not found. what should i google for? | 01:10 |
| lcuk | and majority of that is down to your design | 01:10 |
| lcuk | if you make a flash stage and add a simple couple of things to it | 01:10 |
| lcuk | does it work well | 01:10 |
| lcuk | or is that basic "helloworld" type thing slow | 01:10 |
| straleks | the thing is that i was trying to be smart, and used components, and found out afterwards that it slows things down | 01:10 |
| lcuk | or are you starting with a big fuck off mega monolithic predesigned app | 01:10 |
| straleks | no, simple flash things works well | 01:11 |
| lcuk | :) with any embedded device, you are best finding out what works | 01:11 |
| lcuk | and using those eworking pieces to build your app | 01:11 |
| lcuk | you cannot really be lazy | 01:11 |
| lcuk | taking a 200lb gorilla and sitting it in a mini just doesnt work for the same reason | 01:12 |
| straleks | i think that would work | 01:12 |
| Luke-Jr | anything that depends on Flash is worthy of boycott | 01:12 |
| lcuk | well its a good job you arent a taxi driver | 01:13 |
| Luke-Jr | I own a taxi company, actually. | 01:13 |
| straleks | hehe | 01:13 |
| straleks | really? | 01:13 |
| Luke-Jr | no. | 01:13 |
| Luke-Jr | j/k | 01:13 |
| lcuk | straleks, like i said, if you can build your sandcastle that way - it will work from the ground up (whichever toolkit/language) you are using | 01:14 |
| lcuk | there are methods to embed and run flash directly without using the browser | 01:15 |
| lcuk | though no1 really uses them, it would be useful to you i assume | 01:15 |
| lcuk | ie store flash on device and use without opening browser itself | 01:15 |
| * lcuk loves the hack that uses | 01:15 | |
| Luke-Jr | could just write a nice Qt app | 01:16 |
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| straleks | yeah, i tried opening the swf directly, but i was just as slow | 01:16 |
| lcuk | it wont make it faster, but the delivery method for the end user will be easier | 01:16 |
| lcuk | you can use an app icon etc i think | 01:17 |
| straleks | so i guess ill try making it in html/js or a lighter version in flash | 01:17 |
| Luke-Jr | NO FLASH | 01:17 |
| straleks | thats no problem, i use a shortcut bookmark at the "desktop":) | 01:17 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, let people make their own choices - your attitude really isnt helpful | 01:17 |
| straleks | luke, flash works really well now, other than its a bit slow in the transitions | 01:18 |
| straleks | so i wont NOT use flash just because you hate it | 01:18 |
| straleks | and dont say you have never played a good flash game | 01:18 |
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| woglinde | hi javis | 01:19 |
| johnsq | straleks: flash is only good for crappy videos and such stuff | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 01:19 |
| javispedro | hi all | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | I have a Q9550 now, maybe that's fast enough for flash games | 01:19 |
| straleks | the reason why people hate flash is that theres too many crappy flash developers who makes games/apps the wrong way | 01:19 |
| straleks | q9550, whats that? | 01:19 |
| straleks | *googling* | 01:19 |
| straleks | oh, a cpu | 01:19 |
| straleks | yeah, i'll just put one of those in the taxies | 01:20 |
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| straleks | and connect it directly to the drivers head, and let them interpret the signal from the cpu directly | 01:20 |
| zerojayPC | The reason why I hate flash is that it takes up CPU doing nothing. | 01:20 |
| zerojayPC | Closed source. | 01:20 |
| Luke-Jr | straleks: I refuse to have Flash on any of my computers, so no, I have never played a good flash game | 01:21 |
| straleks | your loss, not mine:) | 01:21 |
| zerojayPC | "good flash game" is an oxymoron. | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, yeah, like when you'v actually got it enabled by mistake and end up with a few dozen active pages of maybe 100 adverts or stupid gimmics in flash or something? | 01:21 |
| Luke-Jr | straleks: and no, the reason we hate flash is because it is non-free | 01:21 |
| zerojayPC | They're almost all made from stolen IP anyways | 01:21 |
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| johnsq | every emulator plays better games | 01:21 |
| lcuk | straleks, have you considered any of the gps devices or is it just the flash interface you need | 01:22 |
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| straleks | i cant really program something custom on the gps, can i? | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | uh | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | like what | 01:22 |
| lcuk | http://www.opentom.org/Main_Page | 01:23 |
| lcuk | for example | 01:23 |
| lcuk | its just an idea, and if you are just at that stage - having a dedi gps car unit might be better longterm | 01:23 |
| straleks | good idea | 01:24 |
| straleks | can it connect to the internet through bluetooth and a cell phone? | 01:24 |
| straleks | or any other way? | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | i dunno anything about em, i just know havign a proper car unit is usually prefered for a "working" envionment | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | my dad's ancient tomtom connects through bluetooth atleast | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | I use my N810 for gps :) | 01:25 |
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| xnt14 | xD | 01:25 |
| b-man[VirtualBox | hi :) | 01:25 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, :), I would use mine more often if it get a fix in a minute :P | 01:25 |
| xnt14 | b-man[VirtualBox, hi :_ | 01:26 |
| xnt14 | *) | 01:26 |
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| ShadowJK | I discovered my generic suction cup phone holder came with two different things to attach to the arm.. one with a adjustable holder (not wide enough), and another thing that's just plastic plate with 4 holes... Somehow the 4 holes aligned perfectly with the included N810 car holder's holes | 01:26 |
| * lcuk takes a single paper map with him in .png format :) | 01:26 | |
| ShadowJK | xnt14, I've been getting a fix in <30 seconds :) | 01:26 |
| xnt14 | AGPS? | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 01:26 |
| Komzpa | any comments to my problem? | 01:26 |
| xnt14 | how do you get a fix in the middle of nowhere xD | 01:26 |
| lcuk | agps + good environment + living at top of a 90story building lol | 01:27 |
| lcuk | Komzpa, what problem? | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | xnt14, it works well enough even with a few hours old data ime | 01:27 |
| lcuk | xnt14, you have to hold your GPS high in the air and say "by the power of greyskull" | 01:27 |
| xnt14 | ...xD | 01:27 |
| Komzpa | [01:08:32] <Komzpa> i'm trying to install mer. i downloaded and untarred rootfs to ext3 formatted sd and have my device set to boot from sd by flasher. when i try to boot it it shows splash and says "incompatible bootloader, rebooting in 15 secs" | 01:28 |
| Komzpa | [01:10:07] <Komzpa> when i insert back flash with diablo, and try to start following http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation - it says package merinstaller is not found. what should i google for? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | Komzpa, >>> call into #mer | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | plus, the phone network is pretty much 99% coverage in Finland.. They've got crazy shit like floating byoys (spelling?) equipped with solar panels to cover the sea in case you're on a ship :) | 01:28 |
| Komzpa | lcuk: thanks | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | b-man16 your vbox nick is awful and too long | 01:30 |
| javispedro | yep, if you set it to b-man16[vbox] or something like that, that would be great (read that with Bill Lumbergh voice) | 01:31 |
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| straleks | well, thanks for the help people:) | 01:33 |
| lcuk | \o good luck | 01:34 |
| lcuk | why does ssh sometimes take forever | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | powersave | 01:35 |
| lcuk | when when i stop looking for a minute (leaving something at about 5% copied) it shoots up | 01:35 |
| lcuk | mmm | 01:35 |
| lcuk | even in middle of a big filecopy | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | oh that's a bit weird, yeah | 01:35 |
| javispedro | forever? I run it from inetd and never complained ;) | 01:35 |
| * GAN800 contemplates Core i7. | 01:35 | |
| ShadowJK | Except scp is a bit stupid, it shoves the network send buffers full and counts it as sent | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | dont you mean specific implementations of scp | 01:36 |
| GAN800 | ShadowJK, last I heard you needed at least an i7 965 to play Flash games. ;) | 01:36 |
| johnsq | lcuk: try rsync -e ssh | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, openssh scp | 01:37 |
| * xnt14 pokes b-man16 err b-man[VirtualBox | 01:37 | |
| lcuk | hell no, ive got a note from my doctor saying im allergic to the console | 01:37 |
| lcuk | i come out in a rash everytime i try to use it | 01:37 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, consoles FTW! | 01:37 |
| lcuk | tho ive gotta spend the next 30 mins reflashing | 01:38 |
| lcuk | and that involves concrap | 01:38 |
| xnt14 | correction: comcrap | 01:38 |
| lcuk | man i couldv done without this | 01:38 |
| xnt14 | comcast = comcrap xD | 01:38 |
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| lcuk | can i setup a script to add a new net connection with my params, add sources to apt, update it, install apps and make me a bacon butty? | 01:44 |
| lcuk | sorry, is it possible to do such a thing. i know i would fail at actually making it | 01:45 |
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| javispedro | you can, but bash has a bug where it eats the bacon butty. | 01:49 |
| lcuk | damn! thats the most important part | 01:50 |
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| javispedro | that's the beauty of open source, you can fix it yourself | 01:50 |
| lcuk | i just reflashed, and i go through the same things every time | 01:50 |
| javispedro | including the bacon butty? | 01:50 |
| lcuk | if i could make an install script and keep it on mmc2 | 01:50 |
| javispedro | how many times you reflash a day? :D | 01:50 |
| lcuk | i could just run it directly after flashing and it would do everything | 01:50 |
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| lcuk | well, i just reflashed for a second time tonight - dont ask why | 01:51 |
| javispedro | well, i'd copy the rootfs after setting up and then reflash it instead of the diablo one | 01:51 |
| javispedro | that does not take care of the bacon part tho. | 01:52 |
| lcuk | i dont have a spare memory card | 01:52 |
| xnt14 | ~poke b-man16 | 01:53 |
| javispedro | infobot is on vacation, seems | 01:53 |
| javispedro | lcuk, but you have sshfs, nfs, or something else, right? | 01:53 |
| javispedro | damn | 01:54 |
| javispedro | ok, ok, that defeats the purpose. I know. | 01:54 |
| xnt14 | :P | 01:54 |
| lcuk | sshfs isnt so quick over the wifi | 01:54 |
| lcuk | it really is just a list of about 5 steps i have to enter | 01:54 |
| javispedro | you enter them in the cli already? | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | :) some sections are long lists of apt files | 01:56 |
| lcuk | i cant do that until network is running but that needs configuring | 01:56 |
| * lcuk is doing as talking | 01:57 | |
| MaceN8x0 | lcuk: no nfs? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | after a flash, there is no wifi connection, nor is there openssh | 01:57 |
| javispedro | yep, that's why I said that defeated the purpose and surrendered :P | 01:58 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | anyone know what happened to #defocus, or rather why | 02:13 |
| lcuk | i read the stuff, it kinda stinks | 02:13 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, you git | 02:16 |
| MaceN8x0 | hm | 02:16 |
| lcuk | i had been in there for about 10 mins | 02:16 |
| * javispedro has way too much time :) | 02:16 | |
| lcuk | no voice | 02:16 |
| MaceN8x0 | i guess i need to encode some video | 02:16 |
| lcuk | then you enter and get voiced :P | 02:16 |
| javispedro | you got too now, happy ? :D | 02:16 |
| MaceN8x0 | anybody know how i can edit the menu in mer | 02:17 |
| MaceN8x0 | without using the hildon stuff? | 02:17 |
| MaceN8x0 | the menu editor runs into a gui glitch | 02:18 |
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| subzero | hey guys | 02:18 |
| subzero | neone got Kismet running on n800 Diablo? | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | and, im developing again | 02:22 |
| woglinde | lcuk hm | 02:22 |
| lcuk | started a reflash at 11:50 | 02:23 |
| lcuk | its now 30mins later :) | 02:23 |
| woglinde | and now? | 02:23 |
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| MaceN8x0 | hm | 02:23 |
| lcuk | im working on code | 02:24 |
| pupnik | moo | 02:24 |
| woglinde | hi pupnik | 02:25 |
| lcuk | error: ssh signature error: expecting RST38h to moo | 02:25 |
| pupnik | wat is happenings | 02:25 |
| pupnik | i am listening to lectures | 02:27 |
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| javispedro | wtf https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mad/ | 02:29 |
| javispedro | registered two days ago. | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, what is it then | 02:33 |
| javispedro | isn't it clear? Maemo test is a new project that has. ;D | 02:33 |
| javispedro | whatever that means | 02:33 |
| javispedro | guess some nokian is just testing this garage thingie. | 02:35 |
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| * ShadowJK benchmarks his new OCZ Rally2 usb flash drive | 02:37 | |
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| pupnik | with what | 02:40 |
| pupnik | dd? | 02:40 |
| ShadowJK | iozone | 02:41 |
| ShadowJK | 4k random writes: 162 - 942 kilobytes/sec | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | this is comparatively good :) | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | Seems to do about 10meg/s writing large files | 02:45 |
| Macer | blah | 02:45 |
| Macer | bastard ass nokia video converter | 02:45 |
| Macer | it isn't running very well in a vbox | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | Going to use it for root drive for my sheevaplug | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, slow? | 02:45 |
| Macer | not at all actually. but i'm updating java in the vbox too (don't even know why) | 02:46 |
| Macer | i thought it odd sun java asks you to install a ms blog bar | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | Sun's java update is a whore | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | slut, rather | 02:46 |
| woglinde | I have no probs | 02:46 |
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| javispedro | btw, does anyone know how to upload a webpage to a garage project using git? | 02:47 |
| javispedro | I can find loads of documentation for projects using svn, but not many for git (and most of it seems to talk about a official git plugin which is not what maemo garage is using afaik) | 02:49 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, i think its the same isnt it | 02:49 |
| lcuk | you just add it to a www folder in your project | 02:49 |
| woglinde | yeah | 02:49 |
| javispedro | to the master head? | 02:50 |
| lcuk | i always thought it was then just mapped back like it does with svn | 02:50 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable to try | 02:50 |
| javispedro | damn, i was using root as source root | 02:50 |
| lcuk | i couldnt get git garage and my 810 talking | 02:50 |
| lcuk | so i had to move elsewhere | 02:50 |
| javispedro | in svn it's cleaner since it's a www folder in same level as trunk folder | 02:51 |
| lcuk | yeah, git is a bit complex in that manner | 02:51 |
| lcuk | but im happier with git | 02:51 |
| lcuk | even for the simple use i do | 02:52 |
| javispedro | i'm still surprised it pulls the whole repo when clone'd | 02:52 |
| javispedro | including history, I mean. | 02:52 |
| lcuk | yeah, but thats git for you | 02:52 |
| lcuk | and thats not a bad thing :) | 02:52 |
| woglinde | *g* | 02:52 |
| woglinde | yeah svn suckz at svn diff and svn log | 02:53 |
| javispedro | thanks, you're right, modest is doing it that way (www folder in master head) | 02:53 |
| javispedro | (i scanned through its heads searching for a www but couldn't find one) | 02:53 |
| * javispedro does a branch merge the hard, copy&paste way :) | 02:54 | |
| Macer | ah ok | 02:54 |
| Macer | it just kicked in :) | 02:54 |
| Macer | i need to uninstall some crap on this vbox | 02:55 |
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| Macer | i want to see if i get better luck with the nokia encoded stuff | 02:55 |
| Macer | than i got with the nero mp4s :) | 02:55 |
| Macer | which played like crap.. but they did that in maemo also so blah | 02:55 |
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| javispedro | "Nokia Avata"? what is tmo smoking? :) | 03:00 |
| ShadowJK | i don't read tmo often, what's this? | 03:01 |
| javispedro | a "proposed" name to the Rover | 03:01 |
| javispedro | as in "community-proposed". | 03:01 |
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| pupnik | mmm names | 03:02 |
| pupnik | Ovum | 03:02 |
| pupnik | lol | 03:02 |
| javispedro | Nokia Aikon | 03:02 |
| javispedro | horrid | 03:03 |
| makall | Hi guys, I look to the internet but I can't find a way to replace de default mediaplayer for n800. I want to use mplayer with filemanager... | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, they all sound like broken finnish to me | 03:03 |
| ShadowJK | like an english person had a dictionary | 03:03 |
| javispedro | that's exactly what they're doing (since there's an spanish proposed name and I have that feeling as well) | 03:04 |
| ShadowJK | Or a finnish person trying to be very clever | 03:04 |
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| ShadowJK | "Nokia Avata", when literally translated to english from finnish, would be "Nokia to open", which is kinda open saucey... Except in finnish it's the verb "to open", not the intent or future action to open, as it sounds like in english :) | 03:05 |
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| ShadowJK | avata is pronouncible in languages other than finnish though, which is a plus ;-) | 03:05 |
| lcuk | Avata Ovi! Avata Ovi! | 03:05 |
| * lcuk is just reliving experiences | 03:06 | |
| javispedro | Avata Ovi Aikon Panecea Pantechnicon. | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | Avaa ovi :) | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | avaa ovi would be the you yelling at someone to open the door :) | 03:06 |
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| ShadowJK | as a non-native finnish speaker, "Aikon" is how I probably once mistakenly wrote/said "Aion", which means "I intend to" | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | Aikon sounds kinda cool | 03:08 |
| javispedro | lol | 03:08 |
| javispedro | also, it's an anagram | 03:08 |
| javispedro | of N | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | it's how you'd spell the english word "icon" in finnish | 03:08 |
| javispedro | screw anagram, it's the actual letter-by-letter reverse of Nokia | 03:08 |
| Macer | Memory: 8191M phys mem, 256M free mem, 4095M total swap, 4095M free swap | 03:08 |
| Macer | wow my mem is getting whored | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | 8g phys, 1115 meg free, 272meg buffers, 5300meg cached | 03:09 |
| ShadowJK | 0 meg swap | 03:09 |
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| javispedro | ~curse you and your supercomputers | 03:09 |
| javispedro | ~curse infobot | 03:09 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i'm running opensolaris on my server | 03:10 |
| Macer | heh | 03:10 |
| Macer | opensolaris ftw | 03:10 |
| * ShadowJK is running Fedora 9.. or 10.. or something | 03:10 | |
| Macer | i gave up on linux servers | 03:10 |
| ShadowJK | My homeserver is an Atom 330 :) | 03:10 |
| pupnik | :) | 03:11 |
| Macer | fbsd was awesome but opensolaris had zfs | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | and my dedi is a p4 @ 2.4GHz, .5 gig ram :P | 03:11 |
| Macer | now fbsd has it and i'm kind of sad | 03:11 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: one of my servers is an artigo ;) | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | and 3TB traffic quota | 03:11 |
| Macer | 1GHz C7 w/1G | 03:11 |
| Macer | it's a little beast | 03:11 |
| Macer | it's what i'm ircing from now :) it does a ton of low level stuff | 03:11 |
| Macer | Memory: 959M phys mem, 378M free mem, 512M total swap, 512M free swap | 03:12 |
| Macer | it really does work a lot better than i expected. and it's the size of half an internal optical drive | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | my dedi box is about a gig into swap :) | 03:12 |
| Macer | i sure hope i get my touch book soon | 03:13 |
| Macer | probably won't get one til oct :( | 03:13 |
| Macer | maybe sep if i'm lucky | 03:13 |
| pupnik | when i first got a gig i thought - "ok, no more swap" | 03:14 |
| Macer | wtf does kmplayer have to exit full screen when playing a list? | 03:15 |
| Macer | ugh mplayer does stupid things sometimes | 03:15 |
| pupnik | ran that way for a while 2002-2003 | 03:15 |
| * Macer tries xine-ui | 03:15 | |
| pupnik | but then the evil webmonkeys struck | 03:15 |
| * pupnik goes back to drnok | 03:16 | |
| ShadowJK | kmplayer is probably launching a separate mplayer for each item on the playlist | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | and not restoring the fullscreen/windows status | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | Or if it's indeed using a single mplayer for it, it probably forgets to tell mplayer not to reinit video output after each file :) | 03:17 |
| Macer | oh yeah i'm sure | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | it defaults to reinit :/ | 03:18 |
| Macer | haha.. let me see what happens | 03:18 |
| Macer | with xine :) | 03:18 |
| ShadowJK | need new maemo mplayer maintainer :/ | 03:22 |
| ShadowJK | especially after N900 | 03:22 |
| javispedro | in the N900, the builtin player might be good enough, specially if it uses OpenMAX codecs | 03:22 |
| woglinde | javispedro ??? n900 can use the dsp with the ti codecs | 03:23 |
| ShadowJK | Thanks to beagleboard, the amount of omap3 optimizations has gone from 0 to a fucktonne in mplayer/ffmpeg between the version maemomplayer is based on and current | 03:23 |
| javispedro | lol :) | 03:24 |
| javispedro | woglinde, i don't know the details, but I think that with OpenMAX the dsp may actually be used for video | 03:25 |
| woglinde | https://gstreamer.ti.com/gf/project/gstreamer_ti/ | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | if n900's default player does mkv with h264 + aac or vorbis and advanced substation alpha subtitles... yeah ok, no need for mplayer | 03:25 |
| MaceN8x0 | blah | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | heck, I'd be very surprised if it even did mkv | 03:26 |
| javispedro | me too, but i'll do h264 & aac. | 03:27 |
| ShadowJK | and more surprised if it also supported simple srt subtitles :) | 03:27 |
| javispedro | *it'll. | 03:27 |
| MrGoose | the opencv packages on garage dont install. they give an error "incompatible application package" | 03:27 |
| MaceN8x0 | heh | 03:27 |
| woglinde | MrGoose compile it yourself | 03:27 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but then you still have to remux it to some container that the official player understands, and probably lose subtitles in the process, which will necessitate a full re-encode anyway to burn in the subs | 03:28 |
| MrGoose | woglinde: thats what I think needs doing | 03:28 |
| MrGoose | woglinde: let me try getting to the sources | 03:28 |
| ShadowJK | and you're in no better position than you are with N8x0 currently | 03:28 |
| woglinde | MrGoose try the debian-package | 03:28 |
| woglinde | and tweak it for maemo | 03:28 |
| MrGoose | woglinde: can I be honest and say I dont know what that means? Is that a file by any chance? | 03:29 |
| woglinde | mrgoose sorry never saw this error yet | 03:30 |
| woglinde | and good nite | 03:31 |
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| xnt14[away] | im back | 03:38 |
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| pupnik | drnok drnok wahaha | 03:41 |
| javispedro | :) | 03:42 |
| pupnik | personal Ãmenu is an emu's best friend | 03:45 |
| javispedro | i am making a gui, did I tell you :) | 03:45 |
| javispedro | damn I breaked sound | 03:46 |
| javispedro | hm | 03:46 |
| javispedro | pupnik, did this happened to you "Couldn't open audio: No available audio device" while using the alsa backend? | 03:46 |
| * b-man16 taps xnt14 | 03:47 | |
| xnt14 | :P | 03:47 |
| * xnt14 is flying | 03:47 | |
| xnt14 | in flightgear :P | 03:47 |
| mkpaa | has anyone managed to use a external gps antenna with n810? | 03:47 |
| b-man16 | xD | 03:47 |
| xnt14 | I just modded a e3b to say xnt air force LOL | 03:47 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 03:47 |
| b-man16 | lol | 03:47 |
| xnt14 | why don't I make it say xnt lol force :P | 03:48 |
| b-man16 | rofl | 03:48 |
| xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/e3b-xnt.zip | 03:48 |
| xnt14 | my modded e3b | 03:48 |
| b-man16 | :) | 03:48 |
| xnt14 | is fg finished dling yet? | 03:48 |
| b-man16 | i have some bad news... | 03:49 |
| b-man16 | my grandparent's house allmost burned down | 03:49 |
| xnt14 | what :| | 03:49 |
| b-man16 | WITH ME IN IT! | 03:49 |
| b-man16 | i'm serious | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | seriosly? | 03:50 |
| b-man16 | yes | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | what do you mean almost? | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | like half of it on fire? | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | or | 03:50 |
| b-man16 | my dad was able to put it out with a lawn hose | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | a small fire? | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | outside? | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | or inside> | 03:50 |
| xnt14 | *? | 03:50 |
| b-man16 | in a bedroom | 03:51 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 03:51 |
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| b-man16 | x( | 03:51 |
| xnt14 | X(X( | 03:51 |
| b-man16 | brb | 03:52 |
| xnt14 | k | 03:52 |
| pupnik | smoking in bed ? | 03:52 |
| pupnik | chrono combat is too easy | 03:53 |
| xnt14 | hmm, wtf, one screenshot is 5.1 MB?????? | 03:54 |
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| xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/xaf-e3b.png | 03:57 |
| xnt14 | converted it to png | 03:58 |
| ShadowJK | xnt14, you play on mp? | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | right now? no | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | im not on mp right now | 03:59 |
| ShadowJK | I almost always play on MP whenever I play fg | 03:59 |
| ShadowJK | even if nobody is around | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | :P | 03:59 |
| xnt14 | brb | 03:59 |
| ShadowJK | you'd mostly see me in choppers or f-14 | 04:00 |
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| javispedro | all /me has managed is to crash eurocopters ;) | 04:01 |
| b-man16 | i'm back :P | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | im back | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, I fail at helis :P | 04:01 |
| xnt14 | I getoff the ground, then I cant keep it steady | 04:02 |
| xnt14 | b-man16, http://xceleo.org/xaf-e3b.png :) | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | :) | 04:02 |
| xnt14 | btw what happened with the fire? | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | it's out | 04:02 |
| xnt14 | :) | 04:02 |
| xnt14 | btw is flightgear done dling? | 04:02 |
| b-man16 | my browser crashed and i lost the download xP | 04:03 |
| * xnt14 notices that his graphics card is at 153 F while runnign flightgear in the bg | 04:03 | |
| xnt14 | xDD | 04:03 |
| xnt14 | wget ftw? | 04:03 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:03 |
| b-man16 | shure xD | 04:04 |
| xnt14 | wget for windows? | 04:04 |
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| ShadowJK | With the Lynx I'm usually steady enough to nudge the windsock with the front wheel | 04:04 |
| xnt14 | btw in the dos cmd prompt, run doskey alias ls dir, it saves my sanity :P | 04:04 |
| b-man16 | i'll run it in VirtualBox | 04:04 |
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| xnt14 | ShadowJK, whats your favorite jet? | 04:04 |
| ShadowJK | f-14 | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | It has semi-proper radar, and it breaks if you mistreat it | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | mine is first a-10, then f14. then fgr2 ;) | 04:05 |
| xnt14 | favorite spacecraft? | 04:06 |
| xnt14 | xD | 04:06 |
| ShadowJK | I don't fly those :) | 04:06 |
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| xnt14 | I flew the X-305 once, fun. but the space part needs modeling :P | 04:06 |
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| xnt14 | which aircraft was the most hardest to control for you? mine was the sr-71, once I go to high alt, it goes crazy, and I lose controls | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | Shadowjk, do you use a joystick, or mouse :P | 04:07 |
| * b-man16 still smells smoke >.> | 04:07 | |
| ShadowJK | I find the f14 interesting enough to fly, if you encounter another f14 and try outmanouver the other, flying skill actually matters, not just tactical/dogfight skill | 04:07 |
| ShadowJK | mouse | 04:07 |
| xnt14 | b-man16, (o.o) xD | 04:08 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, true...... | 04:08 |
| b-man16 | xD :P | 04:08 |
| ShadowJK | Once I was in a pure energy combat against another f14 | 04:08 |
| ShadowJK | the difference was, the other guy was doing lots of burn and turn, and I never even touched the afterburner | 04:09 |
| xnt14 | but I still cant figure out how to fly as good as I am with my x52 with a mouse :P | 04:09 |
| ShadowJK | a few minutes later he ran out of fuel and I was sailing on his six all the way to the ground ;-) | 04:09 |
| * xnt14 gets on multiplayer | 04:09 | |
| xnt14 | ;) | 04:09 |
| * xnt14 hopes his gfx card doesn't blow up xD | 04:09 | |
| xnt14 | brb | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | The f-14 experiences huge amounts of drag near mach1. Once you get past 1.1 or so, the drag is reduced drastically. The other guy was turning hard and dropping to mach 0.99, which without full burners would've basically dropped him to 0.6...0.7 immediately | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | with me swooping down at 1.2 and breaking off at 1.6 and him hitting full throttle trying to accelerate while i'm basically just using gravity and inertia | 04:12 |
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| pupnik | nice use of physics | 04:15 |
| pupnik | so why was he turning hard if you were not | 04:16 |
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| pupnik | besides, do jets ever ever dogfight? | 04:16 |
| ShadowJK | almost never :) | 04:17 |
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| ShadowJK | he turned whenever I was infront of him and moving perpendicular to him | 04:17 |
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| pupnik | heh | 04:21 |
| pupnik | ever try il2? | 04:21 |
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| pupnik | i like those old defective planes | 04:23 |
| xnt14 | im back | 04:24 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, are you on mp right now? | 04:24 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 04:25 |
| xnt14 | ok | 04:25 |
| xnt14 | ill get on soon | 04:25 |
| xnt14 | I need to dig through my .bash_history for the mp parameters | 04:25 |
| xnt14 | do you have the a-10 installed? | 04:26 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, what server are you on? | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | 01 i think | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | i have everything that's in cvs | 04:27 |
| xnt14 | ;) | 04:28 |
| xnt14 | ok im on | 04:30 |
| xnt14 | callsign xnt14......duh :P | 04:31 |
| xnt14 | whats your callsign? | 04:31 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, whats your callsign? | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | JK | 04:32 |
| xnt14 | hmm, I don't see you there..... | 04:32 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, I just sent a testing123 message, did you see it? | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | fg attempted infinite loop and division by zeor | 04:36 |
| xnt14 | oh ok :P | 04:37 |
| xnt14 | get back on | 04:37 |
| xnt14 | ;) | 04:37 |
| xnt14 | damn!, a-10 is acting up | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | was back | 04:38 |
| ShadowJK | (is) | 04:38 |
| xnt14 | damn!!!!!!!!!!! | 04:41 |
| xnt14 | fgfs crashed | 04:41 |
| xnt14 | well it froze | 04:41 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, which airport are you at? | 04:42 |
| ShadowJK | ksfo | 04:43 |
| xnt14 | ShadowJK, ill go to KOAK, instead of KSFO, KSFO lags like crazy | 04:43 |
| ShadowJK | I was a few hundred ft behind you when everything froze ;) | 04:43 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:44 |
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| xnt14 | :) | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | sure, koak is like next door | 04:44 |
| xnt14 | ok | 04:44 |
| xnt14 | I need to setup fgcom, I hate flying and typing in irc | 04:44 |
| xnt14 | :P | 04:44 |
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| xnt14 | ShadowJK, what are you flying? | 04:45 |
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| xnt14 | yup, I fgfs crashed......again :P | 04:54 |
| ShadowJK | bummer | 04:54 |
| subzero | neone running kismet on n800? | 04:54 |
| pupnik | i was on 810 | 05:00 |
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| fureddo | Yesterday, I uploaded my tomotko application to fremantle. I have no maemo device. Could someone try the application and tell me if it works. It worked for diablo so it should work in fremantle too, I guess. | 05:09 |
| fureddo | In extras-devel | 05:09 |
| pupnik | what does it do? | 05:11 |
| fureddo | It's a flashcard application to learn foreign language vocabulary. | 05:12 |
| fureddo | Here is the website for more details and screenshots. | 05:12 |
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| fureddo | http://tomotko.sourceforge.net | 05:12 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:17 |
| pupnik | updated | 05:17 |
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| pupnik | i need to add extras-devel | 05:20 |
| pupnik | ok you want freemantle - sorry i dont have | 05:20 |
| fureddo | No problems. You can try it on diablo too. I would like if you can send me screenshots of the application. | 05:21 |
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| GAN800 | Fucking Comcast DNS hijacking. | 05:23 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:24 |
| kfx | GAN800: we couldn't find. "Fucking Comcast DNS hijacking." Perhaps you'd be interested in these sponsored links: | 05:26 |
| * kfx is what you need, when you need it | 05:26 | |
| pupnik | libqt! | 05:27 |
| fureddo | ?? | 05:28 |
| pupnik | 17 MB needed | 05:28 |
| fureddo | Yes... Is it too big? | 05:28 |
| pupnik | making room now | 05:28 |
| pupnik | ok it runs fureddo | 05:30 |
| pupnik | heh qt is still slowish | 05:30 |
| pupnik | nice job with multi language menus | 05:31 |
| fureddo | To do a good test, it's better to import an existing glossary. | 05:31 |
| fureddo | You can find some on the website in the Glossaries section. | 05:31 |
| pupnik | after first start of libqt, second start of tomokto is fast | 05:32 |
| pupnik | oki | 05:32 |
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| fureddo | One thing to pay attention is that when you import the glossary file, you do not need to decompress the zip file. | 05:35 |
| fureddo | The glossary file must be imported as is. | 05:35 |
| pupnik | preferences -> interface has problems due to lack of vertical space | 05:35 |
| pupnik | button toggle widgets cripped on top and bottom | 05:36 |
| fureddo | If you use fullscreen mode, is it better? | 05:36 |
| pupnik | app window not maximizing with fullscreen button | 05:36 |
| lopz | hola | 05:37 |
| fureddo | ok. | 05:37 |
| pupnik | oha | 05:37 |
| pupnik | app window does | 05:37 |
| pupnik | but preferences window does not | 05:37 |
| pupnik | maybe prefs may not be fullscreen due to "popup" class | 05:38 |
| fureddo | I would really appreciate if you could send me screenshots. You can find my email in the About window (in the ? menu) | 05:38 |
| pupnik | ok- | 05:38 |
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| * man_in_shack waves | 05:38 | |
| pupnik | not right now | 05:38 |
| fureddo | I think I could add an option to make the Prefs window maximizable. | 05:39 |
| pupnik | hi | 05:39 |
| man_in_shack | is there a command-line audio player for maemo/n810? | 05:39 |
| fureddo | No probs. | 05:39 |
| pupnik | fureddo--- | 05:39 |
| fureddo | Yes? | 05:39 |
| pupnik | built-in support for actions | 05:39 |
| pupnik | quiz | 05:39 |
| pupnik | list of terms | 05:40 |
| pupnik | put toggle widget to left of text, not underneath | 05:40 |
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| pupnik | not enough vspace | 05:40 |
| fureddo | Yes, maybe the layout must be completely reorganized. | 05:40 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:41 |
| fureddo | Which device are you using by the way? | 05:41 |
| pupnik | n810 | 05:41 |
| fureddo | ok | 05:41 |
| man_in_shack | anyone? command-line audio player for maemo? | 05:41 |
| pupnik | mplayer | 05:42 |
| man_in_shack | that's a bit overkill, isn't it? :P | 05:42 |
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| fureddo | pupnik, If the prefs window was maximized, do you think there would be enough space? | 05:43 |
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| pupnik | yes | 05:50 |
| fureddo | Good | 05:51 |
| pupnik | how import | 05:51 |
| pupnik | unzip first? | 05:51 |
| fureddo | No | 05:51 |
| fureddo | In the Actions menu, you have an import... item | 05:51 |
| pupnik | yes | 05:51 |
| fureddo | You select the zip file as is. | 05:51 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:51 |
| fureddo | And it should work. | 05:51 |
| fureddo | Once it's done, you must check the words that you want to learn. | 05:52 |
| fureddo | Including the parent glossaries (red books) and folders. | 05:52 |
| man_in_shack | hmm, sound broken | 05:52 |
| pupnik | ok | 05:53 |
| fureddo | Once this is done, you can start a quiz. | 05:53 |
| fureddo | In the Actions menu... | 05:53 |
| fureddo | Tomotko will ask you the words that you have selected. | 05:53 |
| fureddo | When you know a word, you click the green circle. Or the red cross if you don't. | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | ack | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | now it's not booting | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | oh wait | 05:54 |
| fureddo | That's about it. | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | it rebooted twice, now it thinks it's getting further | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | sigh | 05:54 |
| man_in_shack | now i have to try to fix it from mer | 05:55 |
| pupnik | fureddo can not exit empty quiz screen | 05:55 |
| fureddo | Really? There is no ok button? | 05:56 |
| fureddo | If you type enter or escape maybe. | 05:56 |
| pupnik | eye, circle, X, pencil | 05:57 |
| pupnik | no go | 05:57 |
| fureddo | Ah ok... It's normal, maybe. | 05:57 |
| pupnik | must close app ? | 05:57 |
| fureddo | Use the menu and go to Glossary manager | 05:58 |
| pupnik | k works | 05:58 |
| fureddo | You must check the words, the parent glossary and the folders. | 05:58 |
| fureddo | It's a little bit complicated but it's useful at times. | 05:59 |
| pupnik | it works. circle is "enter" | 05:59 |
| fureddo | It allows to select/unselect a group of words very quickly. | 05:59 |
| pupnik | or "ok" | 05:59 |
| fureddo | Yes | 05:59 |
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| fureddo | Backspace is red cross. | 06:00 |
| fureddo | Like when you make an error typing. | 06:00 |
| pupnik | i like the idea | 06:00 |
| pupnik | very good app for pdas | 06:00 |
| pupnik | not idiot-proof yet | 06:00 |
| pupnik | just add first-run walkthru dialogues | 06:01 |
| fureddo | You can invoke the online help I think | 06:01 |
| fureddo | That contains a Getting Started section. | 06:02 |
| fureddo | But I don't know where will the menu item be on Maemo. | 06:02 |
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| fureddo | Do you see a question mark menu with a help item? | 06:02 |
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| pupnik | yes it worked | 06:03 |
| fureddo | Good. More information are contained in there. Of course, users must read it... | 06:04 |
| fureddo | :-) | 06:04 |
| fureddo | Maybe in future versions, I will add more dialogs for guidance but as it's still in development, it's not my priority for now. | 06:05 |
| pupnik | import opens a file dialog | 06:06 |
| pupnik | the help led me to believe it downloaded from website | 06:06 |
| fureddo | No, that's not the case. | 06:06 |
| fureddo | Not yet, at least. | 06:06 |
| fureddo | You must download a glossary file first. | 06:07 |
| pupnik | ah i misread | 06:07 |
| pupnik | tired | 06:07 |
| fureddo | Then, you will be able to pick it with the File Dialog. | 06:07 |
| pupnik | yea japanese works too | 06:07 |
| pupnik | wish we had ani mated program icons | 06:08 |
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| fureddo | For the drawing of the kanjis? | 06:08 |
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| pupnik | yes | 06:08 |
| fureddo | That's coming... | 06:08 |
| fureddo | :-) | 06:08 |
| fureddo | But it will take some more time. | 06:08 |
| fureddo | Actually, you can already associate an image to a term. | 06:09 |
| fureddo | But it's tedious to locate the animated gif file. | 06:09 |
| fureddo | I plan to implement a image file chooser that will ease the procedure to associate an animated kanji file to a term. | 06:11 |
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| pupnik | nice | 06:22 |
| pupnik | fureddo -- how bout kanji ocr from webcam? | 06:22 |
| pupnik | so i can visit japan with n900 | 06:22 |
| man_in_shack | ok | 06:22 |
| pupnik | and point at thingx | 06:22 |
| man_in_shack | for some reason, the sound is broken on my maemo | 06:22 |
| pupnik | and n900 reads the text to me in english | 06:22 |
| fureddo | I think it's not appropriate for the application in itself. Maybe a different appl could do that. | 06:23 |
| pupnik | yes of course :) | 06:23 |
| pupnik | i joke | 06:23 |
| fureddo | :-) | 06:23 |
| derf | I already visited Japan with my N800 and N810. | 06:24 |
| pupnik | but should be possible | 06:24 |
| fureddo | Yes, probably | 06:24 |
| man_in_shack | so, anyone know what i could do to debug the sound on my n810? :) | 06:24 |
| derf | That's why I ported gjiten. | 06:24 |
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| derf | But kanji OCR is non-trivial. | 06:24 |
| pupnik | too many styles? | 06:25 |
| derf | Font adaptation is one of the big problems, yes. | 06:25 |
| fureddo | I agree that. Styles vary way too much. | 06:25 |
| fureddo | Sometimes, it's even hard for humans to understand :-) | 06:26 |
| derf | I helped design and implement a system that was extremely good at adapting to font changes, but it was sssllloowww. | 06:26 |
| pupnik | neural networks | 06:26 |
| pupnik | oh? | 06:26 |
| pupnik | remember perceptron? | 06:26 |
| pupnik | "that reminds me of an a" | 06:27 |
| derf | No, neural networks are what you use when you don't understand what you're doing. | 06:27 |
| pupnik | yes | 06:27 |
| derf | I understand what I'm doing. | 06:27 |
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| derf | Anyway, I don't want to go into too many details... it was a proprietary system and probably not something I'm supposed to talk about much. | 06:28 |
| derf | I'm jusy saying... I've done that. I wouldn't want to do it under a tablet's resource constraints. | 06:29 |
| pupnik | ty | 06:29 |
| pupnik | question | 06:31 |
| pupnik | do cellphones use NNs? | 06:31 |
| derf | For what? | 06:31 |
| derf | Kanji recognition? | 06:31 |
| pupnik | ah yes they do | 06:32 |
| pupnik | no | 06:32 |
| * man_in_shack sighs | 06:33 | |
| man_in_shack | any tips on fixing broken sound? | 06:33 |
| pupnik | reboot? | 06:34 |
| man_in_shack | doesn't help | 06:34 |
| pupnik | ? | 06:34 |
| man_in_shack | esd is running, if that helps | 06:34 |
| man_in_shack | but nothing can play sound | 06:34 |
| pupnik | i broke my sound a few times | 06:35 |
| divide_by_zero | NNs got a bad rep just because people were too much | 06:35 |
| divide_by_zero | ...expected too much fro them!... | 06:35 |
| pupnik | anyway it would be cool | 06:37 |
| pupnik | my panasonic camera has face recognition | 06:38 |
| pupnik | it learns who your friends and faöily are | 06:38 |
| pupnik | you assign the faces names | 06:38 |
| pupnik | it will prioritize photo parameters to ensure they are best represented | 06:39 |
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| divide_by_zero | i like that camera the detects smiles!... :] | 06:40 |
| chx | derf: but if the tablet gets online you have almost unlimited resources :) | 06:42 |
| fureddo | pupnik, Don't forget to send me screenshots please when you have some free time. You are my eyes. :-) Especially places that need improvement. | 06:43 |
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| fureddo | Time to go. Bye all | 07:03 |
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| Dantonic | hi, who uses easy debian or mer here? | 09:02 |
| man_in_shack | Dantonic, there is a #mer | 09:02 |
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| man_in_shack | productive | 09:02 |
| tank-man | I have debian in a chroot in diablo | 09:03 |
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| Dantonic | was wondering if anyone was able to get their virtual keyboard to work on pen office. | 09:04 |
| Dantonic | open* | 09:04 |
| tank-man | so the virtual kb works in other things but not open office? | 09:05 |
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| Dantonic | well idk i have easy debian, installed it a while back. | 09:06 |
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| Dantonic | but i read in the forums that qole got it to work in mer | 09:06 |
| Dantonic | was wondering if same was possible through debn | 09:06 |
| tank-man | what is your setup and what isnt working | 09:07 |
| Dantonic | i tried installing mer, but i cannot add any progs, or maybe i cant have both debian and mer installed. not sure | 09:07 |
| Dantonic | i have easydebian. n800 | 09:08 |
| Dantonic | i have ooo3 | 09:08 |
| Dantonic | but hildon keyboard never worked with it | 09:08 |
| tank-man | theres another vitural kb, do you see it from the menus? | 09:09 |
| Dantonic | the matchbox kb? | 09:09 |
| tank-man | im not sure of the name but there are two menu items for virtual kb in the debian I got | 09:10 |
| Dantonic | ya, bu i read in forum that they got the actual maemo keyboard to work. as in it pops up in open office. much easier to use. | 09:11 |
| tank-man | a real bluetooth/usb keybaord is easiest to use | 09:12 |
| Dantonic | heh that doesn't help | 09:14 |
| tank-man | I don't know anything about the maemo keyboard | 09:15 |
| Dantonic | thats cool, thanks anyway. i think i might try replacing easydeb with mer | 09:17 |
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| orangey | hey all! | 09:28 |
| orangey | i'm having a bizarre problem where I try to play videos with kmplayer / mplayer and they appear distorted | 09:28 |
| orangey | instead of regular video, colours are scrambled. I can hear sound and see the general outline of the video | 09:28 |
| orangey | but messed up colours. anybody run into that? | 09:28 |
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| orangey | videos work fine when not full-screened | 09:30 |
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| zakkm | Stskeeps: lcuk: you guys on? | 09:50 |
| mavhc | with mplayer whenever anything else is drawn on the screen the video gets unscaled and the colours go wrong | 09:52 |
| zakkm | mavhc: you cant fix that. | 09:54 |
| zakkm | well no fix yet anyways | 09:55 |
| mavhc | indeed | 09:55 |
| zakkm | theres also bundyo's mplayer1.0rc2 which is past the mplayer is extras by about a year | 09:55 |
| zakkm | happens with builtin media player too i believe | 09:56 |
| zakkm | best thing is menu - home .. and then to something | 09:56 |
| mavhc | url? | 09:56 |
| zakkm | uh onesec | 09:57 |
| zakkm | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=ea3e2cc0cae8c07aa066ae50e11091d9&t=18231 | 09:57 |
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| zakkm | bit of a manual job, not in deb form , mostly why it didnt replace extras one | 09:58 |
| orangey | zakkm: I didn't always have this problem | 09:58 |
| orangey | it was after I installed mytube that I noticed it | 09:58 |
| orangey | though I didn't use video before that | 09:58 |
| orangey | could my install of the android software have done it? | 09:58 |
| zakkm | its the way mplayer does video | 09:58 |
| zakkm | no | 09:58 |
| zakkm | its mplayer | 09:59 |
| zakkm | its either that and awsome performance... or really sluggish and not that problem | 09:59 |
| zakkm | its a trade off | 09:59 |
| zakkm | android software, nitdroid stopped in march? | 09:59 |
| zakkm | orangey: what android you using? | 10:01 |
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| orangey | it was the android install that modified the kernel | 10:01 |
| orangey | but didn't require a reboot | 10:01 |
| orangey | I don't use it. it was just for testing | 10:01 |
| orangey | rather, didn't require a reflash | 10:01 |
| zakkm | the really really old one? | 10:01 |
| orangey | right | 10:01 |
| zakkm | the pre android 1.0, uhh no touchscreen support? | 10:01 |
| orangey | it had touch screen support if I recall | 10:02 |
| orangey | regardless, it was pretty useless | 10:02 |
| zakkm | may i see url? | 10:02 |
| zakkm | there was actual android that went very far in my opinion | 10:02 |
| orangey | it was a few months ago. I can dig it out if you really want | 10:02 |
| zakkm | no dsp / sound but besides that it was really good | 10:02 |
| zakkm | but solca stopped | 10:02 |
| orangey | nah, that one sucked | 10:02 |
| zakkm | solca's? | 10:02 |
| zakkm | not at all | 10:02 |
| orangey | the one I used | 10:02 |
| zakkm | oh | 10:03 |
| orangey | i don't remember much about it any more. I spent 10 mins and decided it wasn't for me | 10:03 |
| zakkm | solca had perfect besides sound and dsp | 10:03 |
| zakkm | and keyboard, but most had n810 | 10:03 |
| zakkm | heh android is fast :) | 10:03 |
| orangey | ? | 10:03 |
| zakkm | ? | 10:04 |
| orangey | android is fast in general? | 10:06 |
| orangey | or fast on the maemo? | 10:06 |
| orangey | if I were able to get android going, I would have | 10:06 |
| zakkm | android boot, instead of maemo | 10:07 |
| zakkm | like dualboot | 10:07 |
| orangey | but to wipe my current installation with no guarantees, I didn't think it was worth it | 10:07 |
| zakkm | android itself is fast | 10:07 |
| zakkm | current install? | 10:07 |
| zakkm | dualboot | 10:07 |
| orangey | of maemo | 10:07 |
| orangey | is there a good android for maemo still? | 10:07 |
| zakkm | was thinking of continuing the "port" myself, but i just sold my nokia today so maybe not haha | 10:07 |
| zakkm | its not bad, its older version though | 10:08 |
| orangey | why sold it? | 10:08 |
| zakkm | and no sound | 10:08 |
| zakkm | n800- $100 canadian ( $92 USD ) | 10:08 |
| zakkm | ahh i needed the cash | 10:08 |
| mavhc | hey guys, I just read about the nokia/microsoft deal, does this mean I can run windows mobile on my n810!!!!??!?!1 | 10:08 |
| orangey | uuhh. | 10:08 |
| orangey | what? | 10:08 |
| zakkm | mavhc: whatt? | 10:09 |
| orangey | where's the link? | 10:09 |
| orangey | mavhc: My first guess would be "no" | 10:09 |
| zakkm | mine too | 10:09 |
| zakkm | you can run Palm OS? but windows.. noo | 10:09 |
| mavhc | :-) | 10:09 |
| orangey | even garnet is difficult to deal with | 10:09 |
| zakkm | i found the later versions arent that bad | 10:10 |
| zakkm | i always make it start in like caluclator, let it launch | 10:10 |
| orangey | zakkm: I can't get anything to stick | 10:10 |
| zakkm | then goto menu and then something | 10:10 |
| orangey | e.g., epocrates | 10:10 |
| zakkm | heh i just used it for a few games | 10:10 |
| orangey | installs great | 10:10 |
| orangey | but the moment I leave, it crashes the vm | 10:10 |
| zakkm | heh | 10:11 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:18 |
| RST38h | how are things? | 10:18 |
| orangey | good | 10:18 |
| orangey | you? | 10:18 |
| RST38h | alive | 10:19 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:33 |
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| Dantonic | hi | 11:04 |
| Dantonic | hey anyone use easydebian? | 11:05 |
| Dantonic | jaffa? | 11:05 |
| * Jaffa doesn't, no. | 11:05 | |
| zakkm | what ever happened to the guy making his own tablet | 11:06 |
| zakkm | out of a beagle board | 11:06 |
| Dantonic | how about mer? | 11:06 |
| zakkm | yeah | 11:06 |
| zakkm | Dantonic: easy mer, easy debian :P | 11:06 |
| Dantonic | hey do you have ooo3 working with hildon keyboard? | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: Alway Innovating's TouchBook is exactly that | 11:07 |
| zakkm | well i sold my nokia today, so it would be did i , and no openoffice is way too slow on tablet .. always used abiword | 11:07 |
| zakkm | but i believed qole got that working | 11:07 |
| zakkm | onesec | 11:07 |
| zakkm | Jaffa: no i remember someone doing a homemade one to mimic "N800" but with beagleboard | 11:08 |
| zakkm | not a laptop | 11:08 |
| Dantonic | ya thats why i was asking, saw it in the forums. | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: touchbook? :P | 11:08 |
| zakkm | touchbook is a laptop isnt it? | 11:08 |
| zakkm | that wasnt what i was thinking of though | 11:09 |
| Dantonic | another question, in easy deb is there a way to install progs from the synaptic manager, to come up directly with an icon in maemo? | 11:09 |
| zakkm | http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/video-hy-researchs-beagle-board-based-mid/ | 11:10 |
| zakkm | that one | 11:10 |
| zakkm | Jaffa: Stskeeps ^ | 11:10 |
| zakkm | Dantonic: you'd have to add it yourself. | 11:10 |
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| Dantonic | is that symple? | 11:11 |
| zakkm | mostly a copy paste of the .desktop file | 11:11 |
| Dantonic | zakkm, can u point me in the right direction? | 11:11 |
| Dantonic | hmm | 11:11 |
| Dantonic | from the lxde os? | 11:12 |
| zakkm | what tablet are you on? | 11:12 |
| Dantonic | n800 | 11:12 |
| zakkm | isnt it annoying to use lxde on it? | 11:12 |
| zakkm | i found it very unbearable | 11:12 |
| Dantonic | ya thas why i want the apps straight in maemo ;p | 11:13 |
| zakkm | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial/ "Getting Applications to task navigator menu" | 11:13 |
| Dantonic | k | 11:14 |
| Dantonic | ty | 11:14 |
| zakkm | Dantonic: even better. you could install easymer , which basically has ubuntu repositories , as opposed to just debian | 11:14 |
| zakkm | not in maemo menu | 11:15 |
| zakkm | but will give you proper thumb keyboard and all | 11:15 |
| Dantonic | i did, but my repos were limited couldnt install any progs | 11:15 |
| Dantonic | so i uninstalled | 11:15 |
| zakkm | how recent? | 11:15 |
| aquatix | morning all | 11:15 |
| Dantonic | am i supposed to manually add repos? | 11:15 |
| zakkm | morning aquatix :) | 11:15 |
| Dantonic | yesterday | 11:15 |
| aquatix | hm, i have that fs corruption on my internal flash again | 11:16 |
| zakkm | Dantonic: you could | 11:16 |
| aquatix | but cfdisk on my pc won't open the disk... | 11:16 |
| zakkm | Dantonic: should add to last line though | 11:16 |
| aquatix | anyone ideas? | 11:16 |
| zakkm | aquatix: sfdisk on tablet ? :P | 11:16 |
| zakkm | aquatix: you tried testdisk yet? to recover it? | 11:16 |
| Dantonic | zakkm, where do i find the repos to add? | 11:17 |
| zakkm | Dantonic: depending what you want , official ubuntu .. google | 11:17 |
| Dantonic | ooo3, gimp, audacity | 11:17 |
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| Dantonic | mainly | 11:17 |
| zakkm | whats it called | 11:17 |
| zakkm | easy debian has them? | 11:18 |
| Dantonic | ya | 11:18 |
| Dantonic | mer should too? | 11:18 |
| zakkm | in debian chroot do " nano /etc/apt/sources.list " | 11:18 |
| aquatix | zakkm: yeah: dosfsck /dev/sdc1 | 11:18 |
| aquatix | Seek to 2055200256:Invalid argument | 11:18 |
| aquatix | so, that didn't work :) | 11:19 |
| zakkm | read what it says there... do easy mer ... open "nano /etc/apt/sources.d/mer.list " .. and add the same stuff fromd ebian one to that but dont remove /replace | 11:19 |
| Dantonic | ok i see zakkm so i can use those repos in mer?? | 11:19 |
| zakkm | Dantonic: yeah .. last line though | 11:19 |
| Dantonic | ok | 11:19 |
| Dantonic | i'll try | 11:19 |
| zakkm | gotta be careful not to break anything | 11:19 |
| zakkm | only chroot so it doesnt matter much | 11:19 |
| zakkm | dont do apt-get upgrade / apt-get dist-upgrade. | 11:19 |
| zakkm | aquatix: testdisk .. not fsck :P | 11:20 |
| zakkm | aquatix: testdisk = disk recovery program | 11:20 |
| zakkm | aquatix: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk .. fixes partition tables and such | 11:20 |
| zakkm | linux,mac , windows , dos everything | 11:21 |
| aquatix | ah yes, i know that one | 11:21 |
| aquatix | will try | 11:21 |
| aquatix | hang on :) | 11:21 |
| aquatix | otoh, nothing really important on there | 11:21 |
| aquatix | but it can repair the size of the partition too? | 11:21 |
| zakkm | yeah | 11:21 |
| aquatix | good | 11:22 |
| zakkm | i had a totally screwed up 250gb | 11:22 |
| zakkm | nothing would read it.. always got no partitions existed on it | 11:22 |
| zakkm | totally repaired it | 11:22 |
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| aquatix | yep, it has saved a microsd card here | 11:23 |
| aquatix | with 8GB of important data :) | 11:23 |
| zakkm | you keep important data on a 8gb microsd? :P | 11:23 |
| aquatix | nah, not 8GB of important data | 11:23 |
| zakkm | even still | 11:23 |
| zakkm | a microsd.. | 11:24 |
| zakkm | can totally get lost | 11:24 |
| aquatix | but 7.9GB of music and some important notes i didn't backup yet ;) | 11:24 |
| aquatix | it's in my n810 | 11:24 |
| zakkm | 7.9gb of music :P | 11:24 |
| aquatix | but indeed :) | 11:24 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: as a matter of speaking ;) | 11:24 |
| zakkm | ah i want a n810 | 11:24 |
| zakkm | sold my n800 for $92 USD today | 11:24 |
| zakkm | hoping to buy a n810 when it drops so much | 11:24 |
| aquatix | and of course the notes were important | 11:24 |
| aquatix | the rest was already on my hdd | 11:24 |
| aquatix | wow | 11:24 |
| aquatix | hm, is it a non-partitioned medium, or an intel/pc partition :/ | 11:25 |
| chx | i have a 32gb SD. | 11:25 |
| zakkm | intel pc :P | 11:25 |
| chx | works well. | 11:25 |
| zakkm | its mbr isnt it? | 11:25 |
| zakkm | thats intel/pc :P | 11:25 |
| aquatix | true | 11:25 |
| aquatix | but i thought maybe some flash memory is special | 11:26 |
| zakkm | or well its probably shouldnt be classed as Intel.. mostly just PC | 11:26 |
| zakkm | but yeah :P | 11:26 |
| * aquatix has an 16GB microsd in his phone | 11:26 | |
| aquatix | zakkm: true :) | 11:26 |
| * zakkm phone doesnt have any type of external memory slot | 11:26 | |
| * zakkm phone also doesnt hold internal memory by size, only ___ messages left :P | 11:27 | |
| aquatix | :) | 11:27 |
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| * aquatix has an A*** phone ;) | 11:27 | |
| aquatix | (nooo, don't say the A-word here!) | 11:28 |
| zakkm | A word? | 11:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Asss? ;) | 11:28 |
| zakkm | hey qwerty :) | 11:28 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: no, that's you ;) | 11:28 |
| aquatix | morning :) | 11:28 |
| zakkm | guess what, sold my n800 :P | 11:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Morning :) | 11:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe, nice | 11:28 |
| zakkm | its amaizng how you guys say morning, and i havent gone to bed yet :) | 11:28 |
| aquatix | 10:28:30 aquatix | morning :) | 11:29 |
| aquatix | it's definitely morning here ;) | 11:29 |
| zakkm | ohh its late here hah (Toronto, Canada) | 11:29 |
| zakkm | 4;29am here and im still up | 11:29 |
| aquatix | aight | 11:29 |
| aquatix | you loony :) | 11:29 |
| zakkm | enjoying my last week and half till school starts | 11:30 |
| zakkm | school will be crazy :P | 11:30 |
| zakkm | aquatix: no really what is the A word? | 11:31 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: ha, Android | 11:31 |
| zakkm | ohhh | 11:31 |
| aquatix | zakkm: got myself an HTC Hero | 11:31 |
| zakkm | i want one :) | 11:32 |
| aquatix | yep, they're quite cool | 11:32 |
| ziyourenxiang | it's overrated | 11:32 |
| aquatix | damn cool, I must say | 11:32 |
| zakkm | expensivee | 11:32 |
| aquatix | ziyourenxiang: maybe | 11:32 |
| ziyourenxiang | i'm looking out for a maemo phone, if it comes | 11:32 |
| aquatix | ziyourenxiang: but i really like the Hero | 11:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aquatix: I hereby kick your ass from this chan and banish you to #nitdroid ;P | 11:32 |
| aquatix | and it's easy programming | 11:32 |
| zakkm | aquatix: did you see the article on changing android to look like others? | 11:32 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: :) | 11:32 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: nitdroid been dead since march hasnt it? | 11:32 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: that's why i censored myself first ;) | 11:32 |
| zakkm | ziyourenxiang: the rx-51 is a real phone? | 11:32 |
| aquatix | zakkm: i think i didn't see that article yet | 11:33 |
| zakkm | the next maemo device is a phone | 11:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aquatix: heh, yeah, good idea... :) | 11:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: dunno, I didn't use it much :) | 11:33 |
| aquatix | i think the rx-51 is damn nice, but a tad large for a phone | 11:33 |
| ziyourenxiang | zakkm, you mean the thing called n900? | 11:33 |
| zakkm | ziyourenxiang: yeah. | 11:33 |
| zakkm | ziyourenxiang: its been reviewed and all, its a phone | 11:33 |
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| ziyourenxiang | i have an android g1 for about 6 months | 11:34 |
| zakkm | aquatix: http://lifehacker.com/5342237/five-great-reasons-to-root-your-android-phone | 11:34 |
| aquatix | ziyourenxiang: i like what HTC did with Sense | 11:34 |
| * zakkm wish he could afford a better phone | 11:35 | |
| ziyourenxiang | aquatix: that's the UI with the android hero? | 11:35 |
| zakkm | aquatix: you can turn yours into that? | 11:35 |
| zakkm | its just a skin | 11:35 |
| aquatix | zakkm: not only a skin; they integrated some things into the contacts view and such too | 11:35 |
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| aquatix | so you have all kinds of extra information related to your contacts in one place | 11:36 |
| aquatix | quite nifty | 11:36 |
| zakkm | aquatix: im just saying its software level, its done :P | 11:36 |
| zakkm | more then clicking "apply new skin" | 11:36 |
| zakkm | but its not a 100 page tutorial | 11:36 |
| zakkm | how much is a htc hero? | 11:37 |
| aquatix | 420 EUR i think | 11:37 |
| ziyourenxiang | the problem i see with android is that manufacturers are competing on handset hardware features, and users are talking about rooting and custom ROMs... not enough applications | 11:37 |
| zakkm | oh wayyy out of my pric erange | 11:37 |
| aquatix | zakkm: but you can get it for free or really cheap with almost all subscriptions | 11:37 |
| zakkm | heh i would never sign a contract | 11:38 |
| aquatix | ziyourenxiang: well, there are plenty applications | 11:38 |
| zakkm | i thinking of the smartq5 with android installed :) | 11:38 |
| aquatix | zakkm: myeah, i have a sim-only for 5.95EUR/month with 7EUR/month for internet | 11:38 |
| zakkm | sim only? | 11:38 |
| zakkm | what does that give you | 11:39 |
| zakkm | 5.95 wont give you much | 11:39 |
| aquatix | yeah, that's where you only get the gsm simcard | 11:39 |
| aquatix | that's 200 minutes per month | 11:39 |
| zakkm | whatt | 11:39 |
| aquatix | plenty for me | 11:39 |
| zakkm | for 5.95 euro a month? | 11:39 |
| aquatix | yep | 11:39 |
| zakkm | thats impossible here | 11:39 |
| zakkm | in canada | 11:39 |
| aquatix | well, come to the netherlands ;) | 11:39 |
| zakkm | i pay 18.20 a month for cellphone | 11:39 |
| zakkm | i get 100 minutes + unlimited evenings and weekends.. and i get unlimited worldwide msging | 11:40 |
| zakkm | so text msg and picture and email and such | 11:40 |
| zakkm | 18.20 euro | 11:40 |
| aquatix | text messages are extra for me, but i can pay a bit more to get some for free | 11:40 |
| zakkm | yeah but i pay like 3x the price | 11:40 |
| zakkm | hah | 11:40 |
| aquatix | zakkm: does that include the cellphone? | 11:40 |
| zakkm | no | 11:40 |
| zakkm | :( | 11:40 |
| aquatix | ah, k | 11:41 |
| zakkm | and cellphone is crap | 11:41 |
| zakkm | costed me like 40euro ? | 11:41 |
| zakkm | 35 maybe | 11:41 |
| aquatix | well, you have to look for the right eshop here to get that sim-ony for that price, as it can be 3x as expensive on the official site | 11:41 |
| zakkm | just some lame flip phone, Motorola W385 | 11:41 |
| aquatix | heh | 11:41 |
| zakkm | england i found is the best hah i used to use a site and get points real easy, and can trade it for like 50 pounds (UK ) of simcards very easilyy | 11:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm not joking, Woolworths (R.I.P) was selling that phone for ~£15 in one of their shops once... | 11:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (The W385) | 11:43 |
| aquatix | crap, now i b0rked that partition for sure :) | 11:43 |
| aquatix | wrote the MBR with testdisk | 11:43 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: its not badd | 11:43 |
| zakkm | but its nothing special | 11:43 |
| zakkm | its just for calling, and simple texting | 11:44 |
| aquatix | haha, dosfsck says `currently only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 6' | 11:45 |
| aquatix | something went wrong there :) | 11:45 |
| aquatix | but now the n810 won't mount it | 11:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I have an extreme dislike of Motorola phones... their "Find me" stuff for Bluetooth discovery is annoying and I used to get some random symbols come up when I tried using a friend's RAZR for texting | 11:45 |
| zakkm | aquatix: unplug and replug | 11:45 |
| aquatix | zakkm: no, on the device itself even | 11:46 |
| aquatix | zakkm: even after powering down and rebooting | 11:46 |
| zakkm | heh i never use bluetooth on it, it still uses WAP , and theres no mp3 features on it or anything | 11:46 |
| zakkm | aquatix: scan it again :P | 11:46 |
| zakkm | in testdisk | 11:46 |
| aquatix | myeah, only have scandisk on my computer | 11:46 |
| aquatix | and the n810 can only share it over usb when it can mount it itself of course :) | 11:47 |
| zakkm | oh | 11:47 |
| zakkm | true | 11:47 |
| zakkm | no way to do it otherwise? | 11:47 |
| zakkm | usb adapter perhaps | 11:47 |
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| aquatix | it's the internal flash of the n810 | 11:47 |
| aquatix | so, no :( | 11:47 |
| zakkm | ooo | 11:47 |
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| zakkm | hah that sucks | 11:48 |
| * aquatix tries sfdisk on the device | 11:48 | |
| aquatix | thanks for the advice eh ;) | 11:48 |
| zakkm | sfdisk will erase. | 11:48 |
| zakkm | hey do you guys know how to make a premium text message service? | 11:48 |
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| aquatix | there, pristine partition, backups restored | 11:59 |
| zakkm | :) | 12:00 |
| zakkm | worked? | 12:00 |
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| aquatix | nuked it with sfdisk | 12:00 |
| zakkm | oh | 12:00 |
| aquatix | but at least it has the right number of cilinders now | 12:00 |
| zakkm | yo going to bed hah | 12:00 |
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| aquatix | zakkm: nn :) | 12:01 |
| aquatix | and thanks for the thinking | 12:01 |
| zakkm | i really thought it would work | 12:01 |
| aquatix | heh, maybe i did something wrong | 12:01 |
| aquatix | thinkered a bit too much with testdisk | 12:01 |
| aquatix | it should've worked i guess even :) | 12:02 |
| aquatix | you go to bed now, before you have to sleep until monday morning ;) | 12:02 |
| zakkm | ohh it probably says Intel, cause thats what pcs started with :P | 12:02 |
| zakkm | like Intel X86 PC | 12:03 |
| aquatix | yep | 12:03 |
| zakkm | okay too tired ;P nn | 12:03 |
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| Dantonic | hey my external sd card shows as having less free space than it actually should. is there a cleanup command that would fix that? | 12:22 |
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| aquatix | hm, is there a build of canola2 that's compatible with lightmediascanner 0.3.0 that's in extras-devel ? | 12:52 |
| aquatix | or better, that's in extras even | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | mornin qwerty12_N810 | 12:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 'ello, lcuk | 12:56 |
| StsN810_ | wello qwerty12_N810 | 12:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yello, StsN810_ | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | mello | 12:59 |
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| aquatix | this is weird, i see canola2 listed in extras/dists/diablo, which i have on my tablet too, but apt says it cannot be downloaded | 13:14 |
| aquatix | Preparing to replace canola2 2.0.1~beta10-maemo1 (using canola2_2.0.0~beta11-maemo3_all.deb) ... | 13:21 |
| aquatix | hm, there's a 2.0.1? | 13:21 |
| aquatix | maybe someone made a typo, and i installed it | 13:22 |
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| aquatix | hm, it helps to remove it, disable extras-devel and install it again | 13:40 |
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| aquatix | hey wazd | 13:41 |
| wazd | heya maemo, aquatix :) | 13:41 |
| lcuk | hey wazd \o | 13:41 |
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| vasily_pupkin | hi | 14:44 |
| vasily_pupkin | is there any way to use glib 2.16 at diablo? | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | reMoo | 14:49 |
| StsN810_ | moo | 14:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | baa | 14:50 |
| VDVsx | buhh | 14:51 |
| RST38h | Oh, the multitouch thing is still raging on | 14:52 |
| raimo_ | which is the newest version of OS2008? | 14:53 |
| RST38h | 4.1.2 | 14:53 |
| RST38h | 4.1.2 / OS2008 5.2008.43-7 / 2008-12-17; 8 months ago | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Wow, it's been eight months already? Heh. | 14:54 |
| raimo_ | is there any beta versions available | 14:55 |
| plastun | does anybody know, why sapwood engine draw big images so bad? | 14:55 |
| RST38h | no | 14:55 |
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| BluesLee | hi | 15:13 |
| BluesLee | how open will the nokia n900 be? | 15:14 |
| raimo_ | how can I use alt+number and tab with X terminal? | 15:15 |
| RST38h | You can add TAB to a shortcut bar | 15:16 |
| RST38h | I do not think you can use Alt+Number though | 15:16 |
| raimo_ | ok, what about alt+number or other combinations | 15:16 |
| RST38h | ESC, then number | 15:16 |
| raimo_ | is the sources for the terminal available from somewhere? | 15:16 |
| RST38h | They are | 15:16 |
| raimo_ | great | 15:16 |
| raimo_ | is the terminal called osso-xterm | 15:17 |
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| RST38h | Now, is it a trick question or what? =) | 15:19 |
| StsN810_ | yes | 15:19 |
| raimo_ | StsN810_: ok, thanks | 15:20 |
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| guysoft42 | hi, um, has anything here tried this mythtv configuration: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18270 | 15:24 |
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| Macer | dolla dolla bills yall | 15:42 |
| Macer | *cough* | 15:42 |
| Macer | anyways... damnit. need to swap over to my vpn | 15:42 |
| Macer | word.. all done | 15:43 |
| RST38h | Still compiling? =) | 15:45 |
| Macer | haha | 15:50 |
| Macer | naw. i've been using mer | 15:50 |
| RST38h | ah | 15:50 |
| Macer | i think in a little bit i am going to try to get fluxbox going in mer | 15:50 |
| Macer | or some other ui | 15:50 |
| Macer | lxde maybe | 15:50 |
| Macer | gentoo was great but they don't have the X patch for using the fn key | 15:51 |
| Macer | shit drove me up the wall :) kind of pointless to just be stuck in a console | 15:51 |
| Macer | mer isn't that bad other than the ui | 15:52 |
| Macer | i'll probably forget about all this stuff after i get my touch book haha | 15:53 |
| Macer | although i seriously do want an enviroment on the n810 where i can bust out the su8w (or other bt keyboard) type a paper in abiword or some other app that saves in open format | 15:54 |
| Macer | and print straight off the tablet | 15:54 |
| Macer | that is the goal. i hope mer makes it there some day .. or something | 15:54 |
| Macer | maybe the n900 heh | 15:54 |
| * Macer bbl | 15:54 | |
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| vasily_pupkin | strange use case for tablet | 16:11 |
| vasily_pupkin | if you take keyboard with you, why not netbook? | 16:11 |
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| Macer | yawn | 16:14 |
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| lopz | hi | 16:20 |
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| aquatix | vasily_pupkin: well, iGo bluetooth keyboard for example in combination with a n810 is a lot smaller and lighter than a netbook | 16:56 |
| * lcuk saw that qwerty12_N810 :P | 17:01 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | T'was curious, that is all. :p | 17:01 |
| lcuk | heh, well you are welcome anytime :) your name is already heavily embedded within liqbase | 17:02 |
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| tigert | what i dont like with bt keyboards and other stuff is that there is always yet another battery | 17:24 |
| tigert | which runs out | 17:24 |
| tigert | and needs a charger to be carried around in your bag :( | 17:25 |
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| zerojayPC | Ugh.. wish I had a second N810 that I could use just for development purposes. :/ | 17:26 |
| aquatix | tigert: actually, my batteries haven't run out yet | 17:28 |
| aquatix | but you have a point | 17:28 |
| aquatix | that iGo runs for ages on 2 AAA's | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | zerojayPC, what stuff are you devving nowadays then | 17:30 |
| zerojayPC | Still working on the IM/telepathy stuff. | 17:31 |
| zerojayPC | Hoping to release a beta for the twitter client today. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | cool | 17:32 |
| zerojayPC | It's just that some of the stuff I'm working on has some unfortunate side effects on wanting to use my tablet as an end user, so... | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 17:33 |
| lcuk | how well does it all work on 800 | 17:33 |
| lcuk | ie keyboardless | 17:33 |
| zerojayPC | I couldn't say... but since it's just an RTCOMM window, it'll work just the same as regular chat. | 17:34 |
| zerojayPC | Should work fine. | 17:35 |
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| zerojayPC | lcuk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3841739237/ | 17:36 |
| MrGoose | lcuk: you're left handed | 17:36 |
| MrGoose | I find that unnerving | 17:36 |
| lcuk | why mrgoose | 17:37 |
| lcuk | i gather you have been watching my videos | 17:37 |
| lcuk | zerojayPC, your twitter client looks like mauku | 17:37 |
| lcuk | does it scrolllike mauku | 17:37 |
| zerojayPC | It's not Mauku. | 17:37 |
| * MrGoose looks at that left hand go nuts on the screen. Creepy | 17:37 | |
| lcuk | MrGoose, which bits go nuts? | 17:38 |
| zerojayPC | And no, it doesn't scroll like Mauku because, again, it's just the default internal chat client being used here. | 17:38 |
| * lcuk has fun things to do with tablet that arent on video :) | 17:38 | |
| zerojayPC | i would suspect that it would scroll like Mauku in Fremantle though. | 17:38 |
| MrGoose | lcuk: it just looks unusual to me. nevermind | 17:38 |
| lcuk | i created a twitter upload recently, its surprisingly similar to the one ive got for liqbase.net | 17:39 |
| lcuk | MrGoose, what does? me using the corrrect hand for writing with? | 17:39 |
| MrGoose | maybe | 17:39 |
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| Macer | i want my touch book | 18:18 |
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| * Corsac too | 18:23 | |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, ping | 18:26 |
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| rkirti | Macer: they have started shipping right ? | 18:30 |
| Corsac | yes | 18:32 |
| Corsac | there are some reviews already | 18:32 |
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| Corsac | there were 2 little shipment batches, there'll be another one next weekend, and a larger one in september (and then in october) | 18:32 |
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| zerojayPC | wjt: Thanks for the e-mail. I've sorted out the icon issue. The icon theme just needs to be recached. | 18:38 |
| Macer | rkirti: yeah | 18:44 |
| Macer | people have started to receive them | 18:44 |
| Macer | i should be due for the sep batch.. but maybe not | 18:44 |
| Corsac | when did you pre-ordered? | 18:45 |
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| rkirti | Macer: cool. | 19:00 |
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| orangey | i FINALLY got GVM working reliably | 19:09 |
| orangey | I want to cry | 19:10 |
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| Macer | rkirti: yah, from what i hear it is pretty good | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | orangey, well done. | 19:15 |
| orangey | lcuk: thank you! | 19:15 |
| orangey | lcuk: in the end, the big change happened when I changed the device ID | 19:15 |
| lcuk | what did you change from/to | 19:15 |
| lcuk | ahhh sorry | 19:15 |
| lcuk | didnt see id | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i thought you got a new device lol | 19:15 |
| lcuk | so what is gvm and how long have you been working at getting it running? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | is it a lifelong project, or just an afternoon win | 19:16 |
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| Olof | i have a lot of .mp4 files which i have converted with nero aac encoder | 19:18 |
| Olof | is there any way to make maemo detect the files as audio and not video? | 19:18 |
| Olof | (id rather not rename all of them to something else) | 19:19 |
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| orangey | lcuk: GVM = garnet VM, the palm OS emulator. | 19:22 |
| orangey | I've been working on it for at least a year | 19:22 |
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| orangey | and returning to it occasionally | 19:22 |
| orangey | finally, it has support for SD cards and so on, and there were lots of other reports of people getting it working | 19:22 |
| orangey | so I decided to get serious | 19:22 |
| orangey | and the last week has been non-stop on it | 19:22 |
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| lcuk | orangey, then, congratualions on success :) | 19:24 |
| lcuk | congratulations even | 19:24 |
| orangey | lcuk: thank you : ) | 19:25 |
| lcuk | does this work happily on n8x0 then | 19:25 |
| orangey | yep | 19:26 |
| orangey | I have an n810 | 19:26 |
| lcuk | :D excellent then | 19:27 |
| * javispedro wonders if we'll see updated fremantle gvm | 19:29 | |
| lcuk | :D what about a diablo VM running gvm inside it :D | 19:29 |
| orangey | diablo vm on scratchbox? | 19:30 |
| lcuk | nahhh on device | 19:30 |
| orangey | Why would you want to? there's a gvm x86 | 19:30 |
| javispedro | vm? bare chroot will work. | 19:30 |
| orangey | javispedro: I really hope there'll be one for n900 | 19:30 |
| lcuk | if not, your quest will have to be restarted | 19:30 |
| lcuk | its like losing your save games | 19:30 |
| javispedro | me too. but it gives me this feeling were it will disappear any day soon, without leaving a trace | 19:31 |
| orangey | nah. gvm moves easily | 19:31 |
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| orangey | javispedro: exactly why I *hate* depending on non-FOSS | 19:31 |
| wjt | zerojayPC: hey! | 19:32 |
| javispedro | yep orangey, but there's not a single opensource palmos implementation, even though it wouldn't be as hard as a project as wine or wince emu | 19:32 |
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| orangey | there's a wince emu? | 19:32 |
| javispedro | none afaik :P | 19:32 |
| wjt | zerojayPC: seems like galago crashing is the most likely culprit for the presence failure | 19:32 |
| orangey | honestly, I'd abandon palm in a second, except that medical apps for the maemo are dismal | 19:32 |
| javispedro | you just need a m68k cpu emu, pdb reader/writer, implement a few key functions (most of them -- i'm thinking memory & vfs manager -- may nicely map to gnu ones) and there you have :) | 19:34 |
| javispedro | a full year project ;) | 19:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Don't worry javispedro: we have faith in you :p | 19:35 |
| orangey | if I had a year, I'd try to work on some kind of native engine to scrape and categorize some of the online med resources | 19:35 |
| javispedro | :D | 19:37 |
| javispedro | I wouldn't :P | 19:37 |
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| orangey | so, what palm-apps are must-haves? | 19:40 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: I reflashed and just added the twitter client.. and again, the presence stuff is gone. I haven't checked out the syslog yet though. | 19:41 |
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| konttori | lcuk: by the way, did you want me to test the onedotzero? | 20:02 |
| konttori | I'm saying because I have the time to test now | 20:02 |
| lcuk | i couldv done with it a while ago lol, just a mo | 20:02 |
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| wjt | zerojayPC: Robot101 had a look, and is pretty sure it's galago/telepathy-feed being incredibly fragile | 20:10 |
| wjt | it's probably a matter of hacking haze slightly to fake up some presence information for twitter contacts or something | 20:12 |
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| MrGoose | tried to build opencv from garage and the compiler crashes | 20:43 |
| MrGoose | in scratchbox with diablo armel target | 20:43 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:53 |
| javispedro | MrGoose, welcome to the marvelous world of old gcc versions :) You can try: less optimizations (-O2/-Os instead of -O3, or -O0 even), moving around some lines to see where it fails, or pulling the fremantle gcc version. | 20:55 |
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| johnsq | gcc regular fails to compile my code correct :) | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | lol, i used to blame the compiler too :D then i found out i had to actually know how to code | 20:59 |
| woglinde | jo | 20:59 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | hiya woglinde | 21:00 |
| lcuk | hows everything goin | 21:00 |
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| zerojayPC | wjt: Something most likely not easily done by me, I would assume. Hmm. | 21:02 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: There's actually two different Twitter plugins for libpurple. The one I'm using now just basically opens a chat window with new tweets whenever they come in.. all text written out becomes a new tweet. | 21:03 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: The other one treats Twitter just like IM, apparently. | 21:04 |
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| zerojayPC | wjt: http://code.google.com/p/libpurple-twitter-protocol/ | 21:04 |
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| zerojayPC | wjt: Though I don't think it allows sending tweets to your stream directly. | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | zerojayPC, how would twitter presence work? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | do users flick on for a brief moment | 21:09 |
| lcuk | and then off again | 21:09 |
| lcuk | or are they shown always on | 21:09 |
| zerojayPC | I don't know how this other plugin implements it. | 21:09 |
| zerojayPC | I haven't used the second one which apparently provides presence. | 21:09 |
| * timeless_mbp looks around | 21:09 | |
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| zerojayPC | But judging from the suggestions, it doesn't look like it does much. | 21:09 |
| zerojayPC | People are suggesting that if someone's made a tweet within the last day, they'd be online/idle and someone that's tweeted within the last few hours would be online. | 21:10 |
| wjt | that'd be neat | 21:10 |
| * wjt sorts his Empathy contacts by availability so that would DRTR | 21:11 | |
| wjt | DTRT even. | 21:11 |
| zerojayPC | The problem for me is that I have two different plugins for twitter. Each does things completely differently.. and neither one of them appear to be all that far along, though the first one seems quite stable. | 21:11 |
| zerojayPC | DTRT? | 21:11 |
| wjt | do the right thing | 21:11 |
| zerojayPC | Ah, ok. | 21:11 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I think that approach is a good one. | 21:12 |
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| wjt | zerojayPC: So. I should hook up one of these prpls to haze, and have a poke at it | 21:12 |
| wjt | zerojayPC: i'll try to do that this coming week. | 21:12 |
| * wjt is currently in telepathy-idle mode though | 21:12 | |
| zerojayPC | The real problem with the current plugin I'm using (the one that just opens a window and shows all recent tweets) is that it relies on a secondary Pidgin plugin to add Favorite and RT links after each message and that's not working through haze from what I can tell. | 21:13 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: Take your time. | 21:13 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: I don't know if the bugs I filed against idle on the Maemo tracker are on your to-do list or not. | 21:13 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: In the case of QQ, I have to specify that we need to use the 2008 protocol. Normally this is done in either Pidgin's prefs.xml or accounts.xml.. tried to set them through.. I think it was haze.manager, but it doesn't seem to work. | 21:15 |
| Jaffa | Macer: With its top-heavy goodness? | 21:16 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: Noticed the files are being written to /var/tmp/haze-XXXXXX though. | 21:16 |
| wjt | zerojayPC: i don't generally follow the Maemo tracker, but if you file bugs on bugs.freedesktop.org I'll see them :) | 21:16 |
| * Jaffa realises irssi was stuck about half way back through scrollback | 21:16 | |
| wjt | zerojayPC: Yeah, Miaoqing told me that too; I should just fix libpurple to default to the 2008 protocol | 21:17 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: Ah.. okay.... because I found quite a few issues with idle that.. well, may or may not still be there, such as the join messages getting the case for people's names wrong. | 21:17 |
| zerojayPC | wjt: Mainly small stuff. | 21:17 |
| zerojayPC | Heh.. this one caused me all sorts of confusion here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4900 | 21:18 |
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| zerojayPC | wjt: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4905 | 21:19 |
| zerojayPC | Screenshots included. | 21:19 |
| zerojayPC | It's sometimes hard to tell if it's a bug in idle or just RTCOMM. | 21:20 |
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| wjt | zerojayPC: interesting. I use Idle for IRC with Empathy, and both of those work for me, so I'm inclined to think it's a bug in chat-ui | 21:21 |
| wjt | (or, has been fixed in newer idles) | 21:21 |
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| zerojayPC | #4904 is most certainly chat-ui. | 21:21 |
| zerojayPC | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4908 -- might be as well. | 21:22 |
| wjt | that's certainly chat-ui | 21:22 |
| * StsN810 yawns | 21:23 | |
| wjt | "/me", "/topic", etc. are not sent like that to Idle; Telepathy has specific methods for changing the topic, sending an action, etc. | 21:23 |
| woglinde | hi sts | 21:23 |
| zerojayPC | So it's just an oversight on the part of chat-ui then. | 21:24 |
| wjt | Yeah, I think so. | 21:24 |
| StsN810 | lo woglinde | 21:24 |
| * wjt → dinner | 21:24 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hullo StsN810. What's being alive like? ;) | 21:24 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I'm heading off to the glorious act of washing dishes. :/ | 21:25 |
| wjt | :) | 21:25 |
| StsN810 | qwerty12_N810; i hate flying. :P | 21:25 |
| rkirti | *g* | 21:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | StsN810: hehe | 21:26 |
| StsN810 | vagalume on hotel++ | 21:26 |
| StsN810 | now to find out the hard way if the tap water is drinkablle | 21:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Seeing if it is yellow? | 21:28 |
| lcuk | StsN810, landed? | 21:28 |
| StsN810 | lcuk, at hotel now | 21:28 |
| lcuk | oooh yeah | 21:28 |
| StsN810 | qwerty12_N810; smelling like chlorine is basically a bad sign | 21:29 |
| lcuk | just filter out the chunks with your teeth | 21:29 |
| lcuk | it will be ok :D | 21:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | StsN810: That just means it has been "processed". Whatever that involves... | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 21:30 |
| orangey | woo! after beating that GVM problem, now onto my next.. | 21:30 |
| orangey | hi RST38h | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and what would that be | 21:30 |
| orangey | I get garbled video, which is improved by anything sitting over where the video should be | 21:30 |
| orangey | how do I screenshot? I'll show you | 21:30 |
| RST38h | StsN810: Smelling like chlorine means they use clorine, nothing else | 21:31 |
| RST38h | In 5-7 minutes the smell should disappear | 21:31 |
| StsN810 | mm, good old trusty wikipedia helps | 21:32 |
| orangey | any ideas on the garbled video? | 21:34 |
| orangey | or how to screenshot? | 21:34 |
| RST38h | mplayer? | 21:34 |
| orangey | RST38h: yes, with mplayer or any player | 21:37 |
| RST38h | you probably have something else installed | 21:39 |
| RST38h | some applet maybe? | 21:39 |
| lcuk | orangey, garbled vid where, inside gvm, or maemo in general | 21:39 |
| orangey | garbled vid in general | 21:40 |
| orangey | everywhere | 21:40 |
| orangey | unless something overlies it | 21:40 |
| orangey | like a menu | 21:40 |
| lcuk | mm | 21:40 |
| lcuk | the gardled video sounds familiar - some users of liqbase have reported that in the past | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | but it was only ever for first run after a reboot | 21:41 |
| orangey | lcuk: yeah.. | 21:41 |
| lcuk | im just wondering tis all | 21:41 |
| lcuk | try liqbase 0.1.5 from extras - does that corrupt | 21:42 |
| lcuk | its got methods inside to change resolution and stuff | 21:42 |
| lcuk | you could see if it is at a specific res | 21:42 |
| orangey | perhaps for starters, how do I take a screenshot? | 21:42 |
| orangey | osso-screenshot-tool doesn't work | 21:42 |
| lcuk | the cure i used to do for it, was to lower res | 21:42 |
| orangey | rather, appears unavailable | 21:42 |
| lcuk | if its the yuv overlay, no screenshot tool will work | 21:42 |
| * lcuk specnt months in the dark | 21:42 | |
| orangey | hmmm | 21:43 |
| lcuk | with no way to show anything | 21:43 |
| lcuk | but if its going via some of hte other pathways, it might be screenshotable | 21:43 |
| orangey | well, how do I modify that? | 21:43 |
| lcuk | i dunno how mplayer chooses defaults | 21:44 |
| lcuk | but theres a wealth of command line options | 21:44 |
| orangey | the bizarre thing is that there was never a problem previously | 21:46 |
| orangey | it randomly started maybe a month or two ago | 21:46 |
| orangey | when I installed mytube | 21:46 |
| lcuk | previous to what.. | 21:46 |
| lcuk | nice and specific lol | 21:46 |
| orangey | I don't remember the exact thing that triggered it | 21:47 |
| orangey | I hadn't used video for a while | 21:47 |
| lcuk | the problem appears 73 days 2 hours and 45 seconds ago after i lifted my finger on the icon of the mytube application | 21:47 |
| orangey | maybe for a month or two | 21:47 |
| lcuk | scary thing is, computers can tell us that sort of random stuff :D | 21:48 |
| lcuk | do you have boot to sd enabled | 21:48 |
| orangey | anyhow, others have reported this too | 21:49 |
| lcuk | with mytube? | 21:50 |
| orangey | just in general. | 21:50 |
| lcuk | links? | 21:50 |
| orangey | but everybody just reflashes | 21:50 |
| lcuk | cos i only just got round this | 21:50 |
| orangey | moment | 21:50 |
| lcuk | was specific with 800*480 yuv overlay though | 21:50 |
| * lcuk cheated and opens YUV at start, waits a moment, closes and reopens | 21:50 | |
| lcuk | and no more flickering whilst running | 21:51 |
| orangey | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=311184 | 21:51 |
| orangey | it's not flickering as such | 21:51 |
| lcuk | regular camera | 21:52 |
| lcuk | video even | 21:52 |
| orangey | i'll take a photo to demonstrate it | 21:53 |
| pupnik_ | mytube is broken for me atm | 21:54 |
| lcuk | couple of seconds of video would help | 21:54 |
| lcuk | to know the full nature of it | 21:54 |
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| pupnik_ | only loads 7-9 mins | 21:54 |
| lcuk | isnt that max youtube len anyway | 21:54 |
| pupnik_ | sorrt percent | 21:54 |
| pupnik_ | feh | 21:54 |
| lcuk | boo | 21:54 |
| pupnik_ | otherwise nice spmple app | 21:55 |
| pupnik_ | simpÃle | 21:55 |
| pupnik_ | damn | 21:55 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_: there? | 22:25 |
| pupnik_ | hi! | 22:25 |
| javispedro | hi, can you test this build? | 22:25 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/drnoksnes-20090823.gz | 22:25 |
| pupnik_ | <sighhhh> ooohhh kaaayy | 22:26 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 22:26 |
| javispedro | i've done too many changes already and maybe broke something, so it's better to discover it now :) | 22:26 |
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| javispedro | i've put the --audio-rate=hz cmd line option in, btw (but not the alsa backend by default yet, something is amiss there) | 22:28 |
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| pupnik_ | k | 22:30 |
| pupnik_ | testing | 22:30 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 22:32 |
| javispedro | hi andy | 22:34 |
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| pupnik_ | wow faster javispedro :) | 22:37 |
| javispedro | :)= | 22:38 |
| javispedro | is the music still ok? | 22:38 |
| pupnik_ | easily noticable on scrolling backgrounds | 22:38 |
| pupnik_ | yeah i'd say it sounds normal | 22:38 |
| pupnik_ | good job man | 22:39 |
| javispedro | i've touched around the autoframerate code, so I was worried :P | 22:39 |
| javispedro | thanks! | 22:39 |
| pupnik_ | you significantly sped up a gp2x emulator | 22:39 |
| javispedro | mostly luck, you see ;) | 22:40 |
| lcuk | javispedro, it takes more than luck | 22:40 |
| lcuk | and if you have impressed pupnik, thats enough confirmation for me :D | 22:41 |
| lcuk | well done! it was no slight feat | 22:41 |
| javispedro | hehe | 22:41 |
| pupnik_ | i just invoke diff games with Personal Menu and include export SDL_AUDIODRIVER="alsa" && drnoksnes -o ..... | 22:42 |
| javispedro | btw, try --audio-rate=44100 and the esd backend if you want, to confirm my "esd does cheap samplerate conversion" theory. | 22:43 |
| pupnik_ | it didn't accept --audio-rate=44100 | 22:43 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 22:43 |
| javispedro | didnt? | 22:43 |
| pupnik_ | i try in xterm | 22:43 |
| javispedro | Audio: 44100 Hz, 2 channels, 16 bits this sould appear | 22:43 |
| javispedro | (in stdout) | 22:43 |
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| Andy80 | are you "cooking" a good emulator :) ? | 22:44 |
| javispedro | Andy80, i am trying :) | 22:44 |
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| Macer | Jaffa: it can't be top heavy | 22:44 |
| Andy80 | good :) | 22:44 |
| Andy80 | ah... | 22:45 |
| lcuk | pupnik_, javispedro are you both trying this with an ssh session ongoing and pumping some data back? | 22:45 |
| Macer | it has a 923823482380328 mah battery in the keyboard | 22:45 |
| Macer | :) | 22:45 |
| Andy80 | wait.. I look if I can find a very good game I discovered some days ago... | 22:45 |
| javispedro | lcuk: that would slow down emulation ;) | 22:45 |
| lcuk | thats why im asking if its being run from icon or via command line | 22:45 |
| lcuk | i have to be careful when performing speed tests for the same reason | 22:45 |
| javispedro | it does not output too much to stdout | 22:46 |
| Andy80 | javispedro: http://www.yofrankie.org/ look the video-demo on this website... do you think it could run on fremantle? | 22:46 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: setting "esd" at 44100 results in bibbery / blubbery sound here | 22:47 |
| pupnik_ | maybe 48 | 22:47 |
| javispedro | damn | 22:47 |
| pupnik_ | nope | 22:48 |
| javispedro | alsa does weird things, every often it seems to require a restart | 22:48 |
| pupnik_ | man 48000hz sounds great | 22:48 |
| johnsq | pupnik_: don't use esd, it sucks till years | 22:48 |
| pupnik_ | playing on my stereo atm | 22:48 |
| orangey | lcuk: you still around? | 22:49 |
| orangey | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=314607#post314607 | 22:49 |
| lcuk | no | 22:49 |
| lcuk | i left earlier | 22:49 |
| javispedro | well, gotta go (incoming call); will be back in an hour or so I think. | 22:49 |
| orangey | heh | 22:49 |
| lcuk | yikes! | 22:49 |
| orangey | javispedro: I will impatiently await your return | 22:49 |
| javispedro | (it's not an hour long call of course ;P) bye | 22:49 |
| lcuk | thats really corrupt | 22:49 |
| orangey | lcuk: yes : ) | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | looks like its puming data expecting one video format but getting one of hte others | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i made the omapfb do similar way back at the start | 22:50 |
| orangey | ? | 22:50 |
| orangey | any thoughts on what to do to fix it? | 22:50 |
| lcuk | reflash according to others \o/ | 22:50 |
| lcuk | but your problem is not the same as the corruptions ive seen in real running code | 22:51 |
| lcuk | errr - this problem with movies rather | 22:51 |
| lcuk | not yours specifically | 22:51 |
| lcuk | with liqbase it was transient and appeared to be really low level hardware related | 22:51 |
| orangey | reflashing is not a good option | 22:52 |
| orangey | also, what could I have done that would corrupt it so thoroughly that I need to reflash? | 22:52 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 22:52 |
| lcuk | but shit happens | 22:52 |
| orangey | this is true | 22:52 |
| lcuk | take a backup, and start with a clean machine - would at the very least confirm its not hardware | 22:52 |
| orangey | but my preference is to fix it, not burn the house down : ) | 22:53 |
| lcuk | install liqbase | 22:53 |
| orangey | what's liqbase? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | see if its the YUV overlay/linux driver pathway | 22:53 |
| orangey | oh right | 22:53 |
| orangey | I saw this before | 22:53 |
| orangey | actually, that's a question.. how do I restore the original kernel? | 22:54 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 22:54 |
| orangey | One thing that DID happen is that after I installed android, it modified the kernel | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol... | 22:54 |
| lcuk | ... | 22:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That kernel sets the FB to automatic which MPlayer / liqbase hates | 22:54 |
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| orangey | interesting | 22:56 |
| orangey | qwerty12_N810: so, how do I undo that? | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | To put it simply: I'd bet my balls on that being your problem. | 22:56 |
| orangey | lcuk: liqbase has the same problem | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Grab flasher-3.0 (flasher-3.5 if you're using Windows) and a firmware image and use its --flash-only option | 22:57 |
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| orangey | qwerty12_N810: what will that do? reflash the whole thing? | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | flash-only | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | you can specify what to flash | 22:59 |
| orangey | could you help me understand the options? | 22:59 |
| orangey | I gather I'll need the USB for this, which I don't have | 22:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Giving flasher the "--help" param will tell you more than I can :) | 23:00 |
| pupnik_ | ok 24000hz is better than 22050 if you like a clearer sound. the 22050 is more laid back. | 23:00 |
| lcuk | 22050 is harmonic tho isnt it | 23:01 |
| lcuk | especially with the total max | 23:01 |
| orangey | qwerty12_N810: this looks very encouraging | 23:03 |
| orangey | qwerty12_N810: I guess the last question is: Where do I find a stock kernel? | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's in the firmware image; hence me telling you to use flasher to flash only the kernel from the image | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | ello b-man16 | 23:08 |
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| orangey | qwerty12_N810: woo! | 23:10 |
| orangey | that fixed it | 23:10 |
| orangey | qwerty12_N810: the solution was to type "flash-and-reboot" | 23:11 |
| orangey | which flashed | 23:11 |
| orangey | and | 23:11 |
| orangey | rebooted | 23:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, glad to hear it, but when you can, flash a newer kernel from a image.The ones on the device are usually the result of an old SSU download... | 23:12 |
| orangey | qwerty12_N810: I didn't figure there'd be a diff.. | 23:13 |
| orangey | hmm. i suspect this won't work quite so well | 23:17 |
| orangey | Anyhow, it mostly works, so I think I'll go with that ; ) | 23:17 |
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| b-man16 | oh, hay lcuk :) | 23:37 |
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| vasily_pupkin | wow.. | 23:45 |
| * vasily_pupkin installed TeX Live! to his poor n810 | 23:45 | |
| orangey | excellent.. | 23:45 |
| orangey | now, what's the best youtube program? | 23:46 |
| pupnik_ | there was one with a name i forgot | 23:46 |
| vasily_pupkin | they all are crap | 23:46 |
| pupnik_ | what i missed from mytube was 'sort by date' | 23:46 |
| vasily_pupkin | i use mytube | 23:46 |
| * qwerty12_N810 likes Digia's @scene, but it requires the install of Qt libs. myTube is a decent alternative | 23:47 | |
| pupnik_ | wish python wouldn't start up so slow | 23:47 |
| pupnik_ | ah right @scene | 23:47 |
| orangey | what's so good about @scene? | 23:47 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody use PREEMPT kernel? | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | vasily_pupkin: I did and it really didn't bring any benefits... I had to butcher the mkversion_h script to not add the PREEMPT tag or the closed source modules refused to be loaded | 23:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | orangey: decent interface, commenting on videos etc. | 23:49 |
| vasily_pupkin | today i move to nonPREEMPT kernel | 23:49 |
| vasily_pupkin | i use it about 3 months before | 23:49 |
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| vasily_pupkin | looks like preempt make platfor extremly unstable with high io load | 23:50 |
| orangey | oh. that's nice. | 23:50 |
| orangey | @scene | 23:50 |
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