| woglinde | ShadowJK this will come when the kernel is open | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | it only needs a tun/tap driver | 00:00 |
| Macer | oh yeah | 00:01 |
| Macer | back in maemo4 | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | and uh, libc | 00:01 |
| Macer | so | 00:01 |
| Macer | is there a device that isnt marketed as an "internet tablet" | 00:01 |
| Macer | that is the same size as the n8x0? | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | there are "multimedia computers" too ;p | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | they're smaller | 00:02 |
| Macer | heh | 00:02 |
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| ShadowJK | and they can print, but the screens are useless for actually editing anything ;) | 00:02 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: gave up on gentoo | 00:03 |
| Macer | cant easily get the qwerty working | 00:03 |
| Macer | in X | 00:03 |
| AStorm | ... | 00:05 |
| AStorm | because you didn't copy the proper special keymaps | 00:05 |
| AStorm | really, there's a whole bunch of platform stuff that has to be added | 00:05 |
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| Macer | AStorm: gentoo doesnt have the kernel or X patch for fn key use | 00:07 |
| Macer | so i would have to track one down | 00:07 |
| Macer | or come up with an oddball keymap | 00:07 |
| Macer | either way | 00:08 |
| Macer | fuck it | 00:08 |
| Macer | not worth working on this piece of shit anymore, i will just suck it up and carry a netbook or my touch book when i get i | 00:08 |
| Macer | it | 00:09 |
| AStorm | ... | 00:09 |
| AStorm | there's no need for X patch | 00:09 |
| Macer | uhm | 00:09 |
| AStorm | just the keymaps | 00:09 |
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| AStorm | the usual Nokia ones | 00:09 |
| Macer | i tried that | 00:09 |
| AStorm | setxkbmap messes up the modifiers | 00:10 |
| Macer | doesnt work because gentoo cant use the fn key | 00:10 |
| AStorm | have to add them manually | 00:10 |
| AStorm | sure it can | 00:10 |
| Macer | i did | 00:10 |
| AStorm | it's seen by xev | 00:10 |
| Macer | used xmodmap | 00:10 |
| AStorm | but is not bound to a modifier | 00:10 |
| AStorm | the key id is different than in Nokia keymaps | 00:11 |
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| pupnik_ | i'm getting carpal tunnel from this dpad | 00:11 |
| pupnik_ | need to add "wasd" as alternative dpad | 00:12 |
| AStorm | so use the touchscreen more | 00:12 |
| AStorm | .P | 00:12 |
| AStorm | or are you playing tetris too much? ;P | 00:12 |
| pupnik_ | trying to catch the rat-statue in CT atm | 00:12 |
| javispedro | oh, blocks can actually be played from the touchscreen. | 00:12 |
| pupnik_ | getting a blister | 00:12 |
| AStorm | hey, I didn't get the CT from OpenTyrian | 00:13 |
| AStorm | so you sure must suck ;) | 00:13 |
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| pupnik_ | what is CT in OpenTyrian? | 00:14 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, was it easy adding bluetooth send to conboy | 00:44 |
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| Macer | ok | 00:58 |
| Macer | i am in mer | 00:58 |
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| Macer | heh | 00:59 |
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| kfx | 17:00 -!- igagis [n=igagis@ns2.vsev.lanck.net] has quit [K-lined] | 01:59 |
| kfx | wow | 01:59 |
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| lardman | evening all | 01:59 |
| b-man16 | hello lardman | 02:00 |
| lardman | hi b-man16 | 02:00 |
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| lcuk | hi folks \o | 02:01 |
| * lcuk does a lardman | 02:01 | |
| lardman | you off then? :p | 02:01 |
| lardman | ;) | 02:01 |
| lardman | nope, not quick enough! :D | 02:02 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:02 |
| lcuk | have you had a nice lazy week? | 02:02 |
| lardman | yeah, not too bad, playing Far Cry2, getting up late, going to bed late, ideal :) | 02:03 |
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| lardman | getting a bit bored of the computer now though, think I should crack on with the barcode stuff | 02:03 |
| lcuk | sounds good | 02:03 |
| lardman | esp after seeing a datamatrix barcode for the url to pay my roadtax today :) | 02:03 |
| lcuk | bastards | 02:03 |
| lardman | yeah, another couple of hundred quid gone | 02:04 |
| lardman | at least it's not gone up too much, only a tenner or so | 02:04 |
| lcuk | yeah, that part i dont mind | 02:04 |
| lcuk | its showing you info you cannot read ;) | 02:04 |
| lcuk | and especially when they have to say "goto url by zapping this" | 02:05 |
| lardman | well would be cool to scan it and save my typing the url in :) | 02:05 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:05 |
| lardman | esp if I could do char recog and get it to type the id number in too :) | 02:05 |
| lcuk | yeah, even bigger shame we know no1 with even remotely that kind of experience | 02:06 |
| lardman | I'm learning | 02:06 |
| lardman | have to do some of that sort of stuff for work atm | 02:06 |
| lardman | though it doesn't work too well my correlation method | 02:06 |
| lcuk | we are all learning :) | 02:06 |
| lardman | I may have to buy a book on the subject | 02:07 |
| lardman | give me something to read as the nights close in | 02:07 |
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| lcuk | indeed | 02:07 |
| divide_by_zero | cant we throw everything at the handwritting recognition program? :) | 02:07 |
| lardman | is there an api? | 02:08 |
| divide_by_zero | dunno | 02:08 |
| lcuk | thats stroke based | 02:08 |
| lardman | +1 | 02:08 |
| lcuk | and from my experiments crap | 02:08 |
| divide_by_zero | but there | 02:08 |
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| * lcuk writes t and l similar | 02:08 | |
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| lcuk | or rather, it thinks all my t's are ls | 02:08 |
| lcuk | and i cant change em | 02:08 |
| divide_by_zero | but there's a couple of very nice free ocr programs out there... | 02:09 |
| lcuk | yes | 02:09 |
| lcuk | and thats where lardman could look | 02:09 |
| lardman | ah, but the fun is in learning about it by trying yourself :) | 02:09 |
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| lardman | though next week I will look at how one's supposed to do OCR and implement something that defo works | 02:10 |
| lardman | in MATLAB though, not tablet based | 02:10 |
| lcuk | lardman, if you think - the ocr stuff was created on computers much less than ours :P | 02:10 |
| lcuk | they didnt have matlab | 02:10 |
| lardman | sure, I just need to do my data processing in MATLAB | 02:11 |
| divide_by_zero | i think neural networks are still one of the best ways to make the final classification... | 02:11 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:11 |
| lcuk | easier to play there | 02:11 |
| lardman | urgh | 02:11 |
| lardman | I'm not fond, not analytical enough for me | 02:11 |
| lcuk | eugh @ neural nets | 02:11 |
| lardman | :) | 02:11 |
| lardman | but horses for courses and all that :) | 02:12 |
| divide_by_zero | cmon, it's a classic!... :) | 02:12 |
| lcuk | yeah, a set of related weight particles able to communicate and group themselves together and interact in a shared experience will never work | 02:12 |
| lcuk | ;) | 02:12 |
| lardman | well it does, but you can never know how... :) | 02:13 |
| lcuk | visual nets are nicer | 02:13 |
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| lcuk | and understandable | 02:13 |
| lcuk | you can see the propogation of information | 02:13 |
| lardman | sod nets, nice equations are good | 02:13 |
| divide_by_zero | if you make a nice program to vectorize the characters maybe you can try bayesian decision trees, more analytical and sound... | 02:14 |
| lcuk | play with acceleration and gravity and forces and stuff then :P | 02:14 |
| lcuk | divide_by_zero, everything i write on my tablet is vectorized | 02:14 |
| lardman | divide_by_zero: the orientation is always the same, but the letters are noisy, am trying correlation in the first instance | 02:14 |
| lcuk | is this the 100k vid still? | 02:15 |
| lardman | yeah | 02:15 |
| lcuk | :D cool | 02:15 |
| * lcuk is blown away by framecount | 02:15 | |
| lardman | sort of worked when I wrote it the other day, every few frames would fail though | 02:15 |
| lardman | so can either average some frames to remove noise, or write a routine to intelligently handle the assumed frequency | 02:15 |
| lardman | am trying on smaller files to begin with though! | 02:16 |
| divide_by_zero | you are recognizing printed letters, with a training set?... correlation is a good start indeed... | 02:16 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:16 |
| lardman | and in truth probably won't need that much anyway | 02:16 |
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| lardman | more like a few minutes rather than a whole hour+ | 02:17 |
| lcuk | do it anyway - for your benefit :D | 02:17 |
| lcuk | when you are ready | 02:17 |
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| lardman | divide_by_zero: yep | 02:17 |
| lcuk | it will be satisfying to know you did it all | 02:17 |
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| lardman | more satisfying to get the data processed and move on to something else! :) | 02:17 |
| lardman | well sort of :D | 02:18 |
| lcuk | :) i totally understand that | 02:18 |
| divide_by_zero | your problem is the image noise? and you can take many frames? i did a program to median-filter multiple images on the n800 just the other day! :) | 02:19 |
| lardman | divide_by_zero: I don't know beforehand how many frames are at the same freq (and therefore have the same text written in the corner) | 02:19 |
| lardman | but yeah, will correlate the frames to work out which ones are the same, then integrate them, then work out the text | 02:20 |
| lardman | or something like that anyway :) | 02:20 |
| divide_by_zero | well, it seems the ocr is the least of your problems then!... ;) | 02:20 |
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| lardman | ah no, it;s not too bad :) | 02:21 |
| lcuk | hey simon, luke broke his finger yesterday at camp | 02:24 |
| lardman | ouch, what was he doing? | 02:29 |
| lardman | fighting with wooden swords? | 02:29 |
| lardman | I'm assuming metal ones would take it clean off, but perhaps it got broken when someone stepped on it while it was lying on the floor? | 02:30 |
| lardman | ;) | 02:30 |
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| lcuk | lardman, fell down stone steps | 02:48 |
| GAN800 | Bleh | 02:48 |
| lcuk | good job his cadet core are medics lol | 02:48 |
| lardman | did they amputate? | 02:48 |
| lardman | surely the only reasonable course of action to prevent gas gangrene? | 02:49 |
| lcuk | no, and its minor enough for him to be wiggling it and getting it wet | 02:49 |
| lcuk | its a scratch ;) | 02:49 |
| lardman | lol | 02:49 |
| lardman | ah "broken" | 02:49 |
| lcuk | they said it was fractured | 02:49 |
| lcuk | but i think they were just impressed at having a real patient | 02:49 |
| lardman | do the cadets have portable X-ray machines these days!? | 02:49 |
| lcuk | im surprised they didnt bandage his whole arm lol | 02:49 |
| lcuk | no but they have semi automatic rifles | 02:49 |
| lardman | ok, I take the piss not | 02:50 |
| lcuk | having a discussion with your child about guns is one of the stranger things | 02:50 |
| * lardman ducks behind some sandbags | 02:50 | |
| lcuk | his claim to fame tho, he said "you know how you wont let me start the car" | 02:50 |
| lcuk | "well, i got to start up a helicopter" | 02:50 |
| lardman | that's cool! :) | 02:51 |
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| lcuk | they made him get out tho lol | 02:51 |
| lcuk | yeah tis actually | 02:51 |
| lcuk | he sounds like he had a great time | 02:51 |
| lardman | good, I'm glad kids still do stuff like that | 02:51 |
| lcuk | 5/6 clay pigeon shooting | 02:51 |
| lcuk | i told him he was meant to wait until they took em out of the boxes first | 02:51 |
| lardman | :) | 02:52 |
| lardman | how else to get a perfect score though!? | 02:52 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:52 |
| lcuk | its been so quiet without him here | 02:52 |
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| lcuk | gnite maemo \o | 03:06 |
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| lardman | night all | 03:07 |
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| pupnik | hooray for no dpad on n900 :) | 09:38 |
| pupnik | <- blister from drnoksnes | 09:38 |
| pupnik | mornin | 09:38 |
| mavhc | a usable dpad would be ok | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll be happy for 4 cursor buttons on whatever rx-51 i'll get :P | 09:40 |
| mavhc | why are there no arrow keys on the on screen keyboard on my n810? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | cos there's a dpad | 09:42 |
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| mavhc | but the on screen keyboard is for when the keyboard is closed | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah :P | 09:44 |
| mavhc | also is there an app I can install to find my stylus? | 09:44 |
| mavhc | I installed sshd so I can find the device by making it play music | 09:45 |
| pupnik | lol | 09:46 |
| pupnik | stylus with beeper might sell | 09:46 |
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| konttori | Anything interesting happening? | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | not really i guess :P | 10:30 |
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| konttori | everyone just waiting for some real news? | 10:33 |
| konttori | btw . tested qik on device. works nice | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's the announcement to wait for and then sponsorship approvals for the summit :P | 10:34 |
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| * Stskeeps is personally just waiting for theme templates :) | 10:34 | |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:52 |
| LiraNuna | am I the only one who thinks the RX-51's keyboard is horrible? | 10:53 |
| LiraNuna | for those who didn't see it - http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml | 10:53 |
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| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: honest to god, it's wonderful when you use it | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | n810 is horrible horrible compared to it | 10:56 |
| LiraNuna | I like the N810's keyboard | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's much more tactile and soft to use | 10:56 |
| LiraNuna | my only complaint about it (N810's) is there's no pipe key | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | remap it, it's a linux machine | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:56 |
| LiraNuna | of course I did | 10:56 |
| LiraNuna | just sayin' too bad it's not default | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | euro on my keybard seems like a good keyboard | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | err | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | choice for replacement | 10:57 |
| LiraNuna | I changed the Yen | 10:57 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, they also removed the 5way nav | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | or that one | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: dpad you mean | 10:57 |
| LiraNuna | stucked it in the corner | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: i'm not entirely sure what the thing on the side is tbh | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's a weird thingie there | 10:58 |
| LiraNuna | 'there' ? | 10:58 |
| LiraNuna | good thing though: the screen is flat | 10:59 |
| LiraNuna | i.e no sunken screen | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | hm, ok, i can't find the pics now :P | 10:59 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic12.jpg | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | either way there's a weird sensor on the side | 11:00 |
| * LiraNuna sees nothing special | 11:00 | |
| LiraNuna | I see a status light, front facing camera, light sensor | 11:00 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr13.jpg | 11:01 |
| LiraNuna | TV OUT!? | 11:01 |
| chx | Stskeeps: you have an RX51? | 11:02 |
| LiraNuna | I was about to ask, how do you know about the keyboard | 11:03 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr39.jpg <-- core-dumps folder :D | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | chx: no, but we tried similar keyboards in copenhagen on the developer units | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic21.jpg | 11:03 |
| chx | I am fairly satisfied with the N810 | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | leftmost thing | 11:03 |
| chx | it's current price makes it very sweet | 11:03 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, looks like IR | 11:04 |
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| chx | it will be at least a year before I even look at seriously at the RX-51 | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, or one of those dpad like things for navigation | 11:04 |
| chx | it will cost a fortune in the beginning. | 11:04 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, but it's on the top | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: yeah, so? it isn't a bad place to move about a finger | 11:04 |
| LiraNuna | it looks flat too | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea though. | 11:05 |
| chx | also I just bought a Lenovo T400s , that fairly depleted my gadget budget for a long time :) | 11:05 |
| chx | btw is there a case from a material similiar the zeroshock sleeves for the N810? | 11:06 |
| chx | those sleeves take quite a beating. | 11:06 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 11:07 |
| chx | its , i believe, dense memory foam. | 11:07 |
| * Jaffa can't wait for RX-51 now | 11:08 | |
| chx | google is my friend isnt it :P | 11:08 |
| chx | http://www.amazon.com/CaseCrown-Double-Memory-Pouch-Nintendo/dp/B001U28XBK <= anyone tried that? | 11:08 |
| LiraNuna | DS is larger than N810 | 11:09 |
| LiraNuna | let me compare physical size I have both | 11:09 |
| LiraNuna | DS lite is ~1.5cm wider | 11:09 |
| keesj | CIR would be nice | 11:10 |
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| keesj | LiraNuna: the fun thing in http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr39.jpg is that it states Nokia-NXX and not Nokia-NXXX | 11:12 |
| LiraNuna | RXXX you mean? | 11:12 |
| LiraNuna | oh my bad - excuse me it's late | 11:13 |
| chx | keesj: it will be called N00 :D | 11:13 |
| chx | keesj: that's the sound Microsoft gives when they see it. | 11:13 |
| keesj | :p | 11:14 |
| lcuk | mornin \o | 11:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | o/ | 11:16 |
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| lcuk | chx, those thinkpads are rock solid | 11:19 |
| lcuk | keesj, if it was NXXX i would expect it preloaded with iboobies games lol | 11:19 |
| chx | lcuk: i know, i was looking for a case for the n810 | 11:19 |
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| chx | lcuk: the N810 does not have a magnesium alloy roll cage alas. | 11:19 |
| lcuk | ^ chx even lol | 11:20 |
| chx | also note that right now I have a Panasonic Y5 | 11:20 |
| chx | dont tell me what a rock solid laptop is :P | 11:20 |
| lcuk | have you put the accelerometer to use in your thinkpad? | 11:20 |
| * lcuk loves neverball | 11:20 | |
| chx | I do not have the T400s yet. | 11:20 |
| chx | I ordered it last week and was shipped yesterday or so Lenovo claims | 11:21 |
| chx | however, they say it takes 3-4 business days to come up with a tracking number | 11:21 |
| chx | wtf? | 11:21 |
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| lcuk | yeah, without cases, they just lobbed them bare into the back of a container | 11:21 |
| chx | heh | 11:21 |
| lcuk | hiya Meizirkki \o | 11:21 |
| chx | Panasonic could do that with the full toughbooks | 11:21 |
| chx | likely even with these business rugged laptops | 11:22 |
| lcuk | yeah | 11:22 |
| lcuk | those toughbooks really are impressive | 11:22 |
| chx | I like my gadgets living up the challenge. | 11:22 |
| lcuk | chuck norris uses em | 11:22 |
| chx | Yeah this Y5 survived the last two years with me | 11:22 |
| chx | that's not a small feat. | 11:22 |
| chx | poor thing. | 11:22 |
| keesj | this new hardware will be even more fun. | 11:22 |
| chx | and only the DVD is broken and even that's only just a very little ... unstable. sometimes it does not read discs, see. | 11:23 |
| chx | keesj: yeah but... the price :( | 11:23 |
| chx | keesj: making it a phone made it hideously expensive. :( | 11:23 |
| lcuk | yeah keesj, small bundle of what the n810 shouldv been (a REAL upgrade on the 800) | 11:23 |
| chx | yeah.... | 11:24 |
| lcuk | chx, and it also made it better | 11:24 |
| chx | lcuk: Well, yeah | 11:24 |
| lcuk | 1 device instead of 2 | 11:24 |
| lcuk | its like head and shoulders :) | 11:24 |
| keesj | lcuk: I don't know about tha't it's definitly different that's for sure | 11:24 |
| chx | lcuk: that's not necessarily better actually | 11:24 |
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| lcuk | keesj, technologically better | 11:24 |
| chx | lcuk: because... see, when i want to make a call, i want a small device. that's my phone. when i want to ssh somewhere i want a big screen and big keyboard. | 11:24 |
| lcuk | chx, we humans have macro vision, if we want to make something bigger, we just move it slightly closer to eye | 11:25 |
| keesj | lcuk: I need to see/feel it first. I mean battery life is a very important thing. | 11:25 |
| lcuk | in copenhagen when we were muckin around the size difference was barely perceptble | 11:25 |
| keesj | off to do some shopping | 11:25 |
| lcuk | indeed | 11:26 |
| lcuk | have fun | 11:26 |
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| chx | lcuk: i am a geek not a human :P | 11:28 |
| lcuk | heh | 11:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | In that case, load up the magnifier program then :p | 11:29 |
| lcuk | o_O there is one? | 11:29 |
| lcuk | i should allow liqbase to do that lol | 11:29 |
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| lcuk | apt-get install coffee bacon | 11:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You forgot sudo | 11:33 |
| lcuk | nahh, it failed cos the fridge was bare | 11:33 |
| lcuk | i am root lol | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | keesj: The N810 prototypes has "N00" on the front of them, so I'm not sure "NXX" is any indication. | 11:38 |
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| lcuk | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/08/21/2124215/New-Logitech-Dark-Field-Mice-Operate-On-Glass?art_pos=5 | 11:45 |
| lcuk | technology. its amazing how they are still trying to catch up with the ball mouse | 11:45 |
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| chx | lcuk: yes but these do not gather dust as those did | 11:47 |
| lcuk | well, i am used to cleaning my balls anyway | 11:48 |
| chx | TMI | 11:48 |
| lcuk | :D | 11:48 |
| lcuk | its worse after the missus has been using em | 11:49 |
| lcuk | my ball is all hairy | 11:49 |
| pupnik | dude | 11:56 |
| pupnik | keyboard / mouse gunk is gross | 11:57 |
| lcuk | agreed pupnik | 11:57 |
| lcuk | so when are lazer keyboards gonna hit off | 11:58 |
| pupnik | bleh | 11:58 |
| pupnik | twitter #is irc | 11:59 |
| lcuk | it would be, but the client is a bit bob | 11:59 |
| lcuk | and refresh is slwo | 11:59 |
| mavhc | twitter is interactive rss | 12:11 |
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| lcuk | hi rkirti wazd \o | 12:38 |
| wazd | lcuk: heya | 12:38 |
| wazd | hello all | 12:38 |
| lcuk | have you found a solution to the weather service yet, or been sidetracked? | 12:39 |
| wazd | lcuk: still working on it | 12:39 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 12:39 |
| lcuk | i wonder whether finding a way for custom user supplied sources would work - ie i have a fond liking for personal data from met, and could find the url source and filter required for it, and push it to the web somewhee | 12:40 |
| lcuk | but not actively include it by default in the package so you guys are clear | 12:41 |
| rkirti | 'lo lcuk | 12:45 |
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| Anidel | Hello guys | 13:33 |
| Anidel | anyone's having issues with DNS not working in Fremantle? | 13:34 |
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| lcuk | Anidel, in your scratchbox ? | 13:36 |
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| lcuk | or in the town of fremantle? | 13:36 |
| Anidel | :) | 13:37 |
| Anidel | guess which ? :p | 13:37 |
| Anidel | the town of Fremantle of course! | 13:37 |
| lcuk | http://telstra.com/ServiceStatus/Default.asp should tell you of any difficulties then :P | 13:38 |
| lcuk | as for scratchbox, there are some things relating to dns | 13:38 |
| lcuk | even on older sdk's i assume the problem will be similar | 13:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I have Transmission working in the Fremantle SDK - all it needed was me changing /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and the target's /etc/resolv.conf from 127.0.0.1 | 13:39 |
| lcuk | http://www.mail-archive.com/scratchbox-users@lists.scratchbox.org/msg01037.html | 13:39 |
| Anidel | I tried that.. let me try again | 13:39 |
| lcuk | nice qwerty! | 13:39 |
| Anidel | thanks worked.. it was /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf causing errors | 13:40 |
| Anidel | wasn't updated with the new DNS servers | 13:40 |
| Anidel | :) cool | 13:40 |
| Anidel | any web IRC interface? | 13:40 |
| Anidel | to come here | 13:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | webchat.freenode.net | 13:41 |
| Anidel | great | 13:42 |
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| Anidel | why better | 13:43 |
| Anidel | btw, working on Xournal, qwerty :) thanks for your help | 13:43 |
| Anidel | was that Xournal code modified by someone? | 13:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Glad to hear it, thanks :). It was X-Fade who had the file :) | 13:43 |
| Anidel | yeah I know :) | 13:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, it's the file you once uploaded to -devel | 13:44 |
| Anidel | I didn't remember the build depended on bluetooth2-dev that's why I was asking.. well need to recheck those dependencies | 13:44 |
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| konttori | lcuk: port neverball to maemo! | 14:04 |
| lcuk | :) you know more about opengl than me | 14:05 |
| lcuk | im happy making my own new stuff | 14:05 |
| lcuk | but yeah, it would be good | 14:06 |
| lcuk | theres been similar games in the past - but having it using the accelerometer makes it great - we have similar games for the wii | 14:06 |
| lcuk | theres a great one for the wiifit actually | 14:06 |
| konttori | problem is nb is written in ogl 1.x. | 14:06 |
| lcuk | the principle is simple tho | 14:07 |
| lcuk | just start with a simple ball and surface and move on from there | 14:07 |
| konttori | and device has ogles. 2.0 code of ogl is pretty compatible with similar es version | 14:07 |
| lcuk | ^^^ | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | if you can get an example app running which renders just a ball and surface... | 14:07 |
| lcuk | the rest will come as people hack | 14:07 |
| konttori | http://www.nevercorner.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1544 | 14:08 |
| lcuk | did you see the liqflow thing on your device - does it work correctly with hardware accelerometer - im working soley from my x41 and think the modelling is right | 14:08 |
| konttori | didnt test yet | 14:09 |
| lcuk | its nice and fast on my 810 | 14:09 |
| lcuk | but obviously, theres no accel | 14:09 |
| * lcuk loves particle fields | 14:09 | |
| konttori | but i would assume it does. accelo code is easy and reliable | 14:09 |
| lcuk | yeah, thats good | 14:10 |
| * konttori types with very active baby in other hand | 14:10 | |
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| konttori | cool need to get benchmark of device : http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro&showhide=true&D1=Apple%20iPhone%203G&D2=HTC%20P3700%20Touch%20Diamond | 14:12 |
| lcuk | i wonder how much more processing power i will have for liqbase | 14:14 |
| lcuk | and wheter i can get it EVEN FASTER by lowering res a bit - bring it on par with iphone ;) | 14:14 |
| * lcuk salivates at thought of the omap3 | 14:15 | |
| javispedro | so the maemophone is going to ship first it seems. | 14:17 |
| Corsac | maemophone? | 14:17 |
| javispedro | the n900, before the openpandora. | 14:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The OpenPandora is ever going to ship? :) | 14:18 |
| lcuk | heh @ pandora buying in bulk from nokia and scratching off the labels :p | 14:18 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, did you see my -developers posting - i have tested package but autobuilder wont accept the changes file :'( | 14:19 |
| * lcuk still has a shit folder btw | 14:19 | |
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| slonopotamus | btw | 14:26 |
| slonopotamus | can i disable wd? | 14:27 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus, maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode ? it has no-omap-wd and no-retu-wd flags. you mean that? | 14:30 |
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| slonopotamus | i guess yes. just want it to stop rebooting when too much swap is used | 14:31 |
| slonopotamus | >128mb | 14:32 |
| * javispedro wonders if swap-over-nfs is going to work someday ;) | 14:33 | |
| Komzpa | javispedro: why not swap-over-nbd? | 14:34 |
| javispedro | Komzpa, never tried. does it work? | 14:34 |
| Komzpa | javispedro: dunno about maemo, but on debian works. | 14:35 |
| Komzpa | mean, desktop. | 14:35 |
| slonopotamus | nbd - ? | 14:35 |
| Komzpa | network block device | 14:35 |
| slonopotamus | never heard of it. is it present in 2.6.21? | 14:36 |
| Komzpa | it was even in 2.4 IIRC | 14:36 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus, seems so: # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_NBD is not set | 14:37 |
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| javispedro | (that is 2420_config) | 14:37 |
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| ShadowJK | as long as the wifi driver is using the correct memory allocation functions I think it should work.. | 14:39 |
| ShadowJK | of course when it hangs you get no output to figure out where it died :) | 14:40 |
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| * javispedro builds the module and apt-gets nbd-server on desktop... | 14:43 | |
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| javispedro | seems to work. /dev/nbd0 type=partition size=204792 used=24500 :) | 14:51 |
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| javispedro | already 38 MiB used. | 14:52 |
| javispedro | and no crash so far. | 14:52 |
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| javispedro | but it's very slow swapping in............. not worth the effort it seems. | 14:53 |
| Anidel | lots of work just to re-package a package :( | 14:55 |
| slonopotamus | Anidel, move to better distro :) | 14:56 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro, I suspect nbd worst case is about 10 - 100X faster than SD worst case though | 14:56 |
| ShadowJK | And SD peak performance about 10 - 20X faster than nbd peak performance over wifi :) | 14:57 |
| slonopotamus | swap-over-ndb-over-usb? | 14:57 |
| ShadowJK | Oh dunno about usb | 14:57 |
| slonopotamus | should be better | 14:58 |
| Anidel | slonopotamus: Fremantle :P | 14:58 |
| Anidel | I'm repackaging Xournal for Fremantle... | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | yay | 14:58 |
| Komzpa | "swap your tablet to your gmail!" | 14:58 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 14:59 |
| Anidel | I hoped at least the packaging files in debian/ worked fine either in Maemo 4 and Fremantle..but looks like it's not the case | 14:59 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, it's not noticeable while swapping out (suspect it's a combination of slow sd writes and the fact its done on the background ;) ) | 14:59 |
| Anidel | The app is there but it won't start because hd-app-mgr can't find service com.nokia.xournal | 14:59 |
| Anidel | grrrrr | 14:59 |
| lcuk | Anidel, packaging is the worst part | 14:59 |
| javispedro | ah I don't know why the ramzswap do not implement compressed swapping to the backend device | 14:59 |
| javispedro | combined with this it would rule the world. | 15:00 |
| Anidel | lcuk: it sucks | 15:00 |
| lcuk | Anidel, you got the /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.maemo.xournal.service file in place | 15:00 |
| lcuk | use others in that folder as a template for yours if not | 15:01 |
| Anidel | it's there... | 15:01 |
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| javispedro | also, I at least was able to confuse dbus by editing that file in place, requiring a restart | 15:01 |
| Anidel | I'll change it to org.maemo instead of the old com.nokia, but it shouldn't be the problem | 15:01 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro, the biggest performance gain would come from changing the swap allocation scheme completely :) | 15:02 |
| lcuk | Anidel, thats probably not important, i forgot to change that - it was just the path from mine | 15:02 |
| lcuk | and i changed the name for your package :P | 15:02 |
| ShadowJK | Harddrive: random writes are slow, random reads are slow. SD: random writes are superslow and stall everything else, random reads are fast-ish | 15:03 |
| Anidel | what do you mean you changed the name of my package? | 15:03 |
| eichi | hello guys | 15:03 |
| ShadowJK | linux was only ever written with the first scenario in mind | 15:03 |
| eichi | my maemo died completely, doesnt boot anymore...what can i do beside of reflashing? | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | do you have bootmenu installed with USBnet emergency telnetd? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | Anidel, i just grabbed the filename and path from liqbase_playground and changed it to say xournal, but forgot to change the org.maemo one. nothin major lol | 15:04 |
| Anidel | oh you mean here, okay :) | 15:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:05 |
| Anidel | lcuk: I should be able to run it simply executing the command, right? uhm.. it fails in initializing osso | 15:05 |
| Anidel | returns null as a context.. that may be the issue | 15:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: run-standalone.sh <command> | 15:06 |
| lcuk | yeah, maybe the com.nokia thing is related - but i dunno | 15:06 |
| lcuk | does osso check signage of services | 15:06 |
| Anidel | yep.. qwerty.. | 15:06 |
| Anidel | but I got the issue now :) | 15:06 |
| Anidel | is still /home/user on the Fremantle Device? | 15:07 |
| * lcuk smiles. liblo is on its way | 15:07 | |
| Anidel | I really should find a different path for those files... | 15:07 |
| lcuk | yeah, but you should really use proper homepath checking | 15:07 |
| lcuk | to save folks later when its ported to mer :) | 15:07 |
| Anidel | true :) | 15:07 |
| lcuk | char *envhome = getenv("HOME"); | 15:08 |
| lcuk | obviously check it for failing, and either bailout, or just use /home/user and pray ;) | 15:08 |
| eichi | Stskeeps, yes i have bootmenu with the telnet function | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | eichi: go mount your maemo partition and free some space probably | 15:09 |
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| eichi | is it telnet via wireless or usb? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | usb | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking i think | 15:10 |
| Anidel | it starts.. and looks ugly :D | 15:12 |
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| Anidel | lots of work to do :/ | 15:14 |
| * lcuk passes Anidel a BLT | 15:14 | |
| * Anidel thanks | 15:14 | |
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| * Anidel reads Redesigning from Maemo 4 to Maemo 5 | 15:25 | |
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| Stskeeps | cancel | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:27 |
| lcuk | too late lol | 15:27 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:27 |
| Anidel | which one you guys referring to? | 15:28 |
| lcuk | dialog boxes having no way to cancel (sts is right, it was the actual cancel button that isnt there) | 15:28 |
| Anidel | who needs cancel? :D | 15:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Tap outside a dialog box to cancel :) | 15:29 |
| Anidel | yeah I know.. but before I'll get to that.. there's a lot else to do :/ | 15:29 |
| Anidel | redesign the toolbar for example.. icons are way bigger now and way less icons would fit.. | 15:30 |
| Anidel | I think I need something else... | 15:30 |
| chx | and what will happen to use who stick to the N810 if everyone rushes over to the new device? | 15:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~mer | 15:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Fuck... infobot's gone AWOL | 15:31 |
| Anidel | well Xournal still works fine on Chinook/Diablo | 15:31 |
| Anidel | I won't add anything new, yet... | 15:31 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | chx: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 15:32 |
| lcuk | Anidel, use ait Crossfire technology and have a doublewide tablet :D | 15:32 |
| lcuk | ati | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | wouldn't be bad to have two extension ports on the side of tablets | 15:33 |
| Anidel | right :) | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | link multiple tablets ;p | 15:33 |
| Anidel | I can simulate it via network/bluetooth :P | 15:33 |
| Anidel | sure | 15:33 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess n8x0 to n8x0 is already possible | 15:34 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG | 15:34 |
| Anidel | what about ONE single button in the tool bar that when pressed show a screen fulls of controls. As soon as you choose your action, it disappears showing the canvas... | 15:34 |
| Anidel | it means two taps for each action.. I can pack 2/3 of the most used on the toolbar + this "Show All" button.. | 15:35 |
| Anidel | going from 16 buttons down to 3 :) | 15:35 |
| Anidel | right now I can see only 9-10 fit on the new Fremantle toolbar.. uhm | 15:36 |
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| Anidel | also, am I supposed to do something for the scrollbars? they don't look finger friendly at all | 15:36 |
| lcuk | if you can realistically expect the user to have a stylus whilst using your app - is there no way to keep your toolbar small? | 15:36 |
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| Anidel | well it's Xournal.. I don't expect people to write with their finger! | 15:37 |
| lcuk | you can make the navigation elements finger friendly and have improved menus | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | but you dont need to do it everywhere really | 15:37 |
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| Anidel | I was thinking at overlay the actions over the canvas.. kind of Edit Canvas mode + Action Selection mode | 15:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Anidel: preferred option AFAIK is kinetic (http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/HildonPannableArea.html) or just use the thumb scrollbar (http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/hildon-Helper-Functions.html#hildon-helper-set-thumb-scrollbar) | 15:38 |
| Anidel | if I detect a thumb press on the canvas, I'll show the actions | 15:38 |
| lcuk | major surgery though, it might be more practical in a timescale to just alter the toolicon size 9if thats possible) | 15:38 |
| Anidel | I hate kinetic :) | 15:39 |
| Anidel | but yeah for the Canvas I'll use it | 15:39 |
| lcuk | hes right for moving around an open document | 15:39 |
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| lcuk | but when you are scribbling and not wanting kinetic scrollbars are more practical | 15:39 |
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| Anidel | if Fremantle has a easier way to detect thumb pressure from stylus one.. I'll be fine... | 15:40 |
| lcuk | why? | 15:40 |
| Anidel | stylus scribbles, finger pans | 15:40 |
| * lcuk uses stylus to navigate | 15:40 | |
| lcuk | i dont like finger marks | 15:40 |
| Anidel | I mean on the canvas, not the menus | 15:40 |
| lcuk | oh cripes no | 15:41 |
| lcuk | you would piss off the user | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | "why wont this thing just move" | 15:41 |
| lcuk | as the scribble line goes up the page | 15:41 |
| Anidel | ? wait... | 15:41 |
| lcuk | use the mic and listen for the rage | 15:41 |
| lcuk | and when detected, change mode | 15:41 |
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| Anidel | If I start scribbling with the stylus and go up the page and I want to continue up.. Xournal currently doesn't do that | 15:41 |
| Anidel | (ehehe) | 15:42 |
| lcuk | thats ok | 15:42 |
| Anidel | that can be done (automatically pan in scribbling mode) | 15:42 |
| Anidel | but if I raise the pen | 15:42 |
| lcuk | if you start autoscrolling when scribbling its bad | 15:42 |
| * lcuk has experience | 15:42 | |
| Anidel | and then use the thumb on the canvas.. I'll suppose the user wants to pan, not scribble with the thumb | 15:42 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 15:43 |
| Anidel | lcuk: indeed, so why you told before "why won't this think just move"? | 15:43 |
| Anidel | I am not sure I explained my intentions well :) | 15:43 |
| lcuk | no, its because you are trying to autodetect intent from the stroke itself | 15:43 |
| lcuk | you have a drawing tool selected, so let them draw | 15:43 |
| lcuk | if they select move/pan mode then pan | 15:43 |
| lcuk | dont try to second guess | 15:44 |
| Anidel | I'll put in a conf selector.. one can choose which mode he likes more | 15:44 |
| Anidel | I like alternatives :) I'm not Steve :p | 15:44 |
| lcuk | *shrug* | 15:45 |
| lcuk | i just think the model adobe have which is tried and tested by millions works | 15:45 |
| Anidel | the screen real estate is not that much.. people needs to pan a lot... having to press a button twice to move the canvas, for me, is frustrating.. but I'll let the user choose | 15:45 |
| lcuk | (acrobat has the hand pan tool and a different one for selection | 15:45 |
| Anidel | that's on a PC | 15:45 |
| lcuk | yeah - i have it on my tabletpc | 15:46 |
| Anidel | but they have keyboard shortcuts | 15:46 |
| Anidel | tabletpc users are a minority.. those apps are not designed with a touchscreen in mind | 15:46 |
| Anidel | anyway there's no issue :) the user chooses and we're all happy | 15:47 |
| lcuk | acrobat is - its the only desktop app i know that does scrolling when main body is grabbed | 15:47 |
| Anidel | how you grab it? | 15:47 |
| lcuk | left mouse click / pen down | 15:47 |
| Anidel | but does it have scribbling? can you write on the PDF with your pen? | 15:47 |
| lcuk | no, it doesnt do draw over, but it has a text selection mode | 15:48 |
| Anidel | exactly... | 15:48 |
| lcuk | which is equivilent to editing | 15:48 |
| Anidel | there it's easy for them | 15:48 |
| lcuk | ie if in selection mode its not moving | 15:48 |
| Anidel | wait.. on a PDF you usually pan around to read it.. | 15:48 |
| lcuk | yeah | 15:48 |
| Anidel | don't select that often.. | 15:48 |
| Anidel | so it makes sense | 15:49 |
| lcuk | or you enter selection mode to do stuff | 15:49 |
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| Anidel | on the tablet is different.. user has to scribble AND pan most of the time | 15:49 |
| Anidel | having a way to reduce clicking on a button, helps... if it doesn't, switch back to "old style" mode | 15:49 |
| * lcuk :) | 15:50 | |
| Anidel | but this my way of handling it, works only if Fremantle does a good job in detecting what object is touching the screen: the pen or the finger | 15:50 |
| Anidel | in Diablo the pressure was 0-.5 for the stylus .5-1 for the finger.. and it was quite reliable | 15:51 |
| lcuk | yeah anidel i know how sensitive everything is and hope you get it working | 15:52 |
| lcuk | is the "undo" button within easy reach? | 15:52 |
| Anidel | if not, it's just a config settings away | 15:52 |
| Anidel | it has to.. | 15:52 |
| lcuk | good | 15:53 |
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| wazd | lcuk: bout custom weather sources - we've already made it :0 | 16:12 |
| wazd | but we need to provide some default source anyway :) | 16:13 |
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| lcuk | cool wazd, didnt know | 16:14 |
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| * javispedro is going to become unsane | 16:30 | |
| javispedro | so, my idea to optimize a loop reading lots of globals variables is to make multiple versions of it | 16:30 |
| javispedro | one for each possible set of global variable values. | 16:30 |
| javispedro | up so far there are already 6 versions but plan to remove yet another global var access, so that'll make it 12 versions... | 16:31 |
| Corsac | is that you idea of optimzation? | 16:32 |
| Corsac | :) | 16:32 |
| javispedro | when it spends most of the time in lrdb instructions, I guess so... | 16:32 |
| javispedro | *ldrb. | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, its easier to factor out the global lookups than it is to create duplicates like that which will become a nightmare | 16:35 |
| lcuk | obviously, having optimized variations is good sometimes tho ;) | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | e.g. it loads a global variable (repeating mode) and switches behaviour depending on it in the middle of the innermost loop, even though that value won't change for the whole program lifetime. | 16:36 |
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| pupnik | isn't there some meta you could pass to compiler to tell it to factor-out variable x,y,z into multiple function versions func_xyz_() | 16:38 |
| javispedro | so i just do: if (global_var == 1) { DO_LOOP(1) } else { DO_LOOP(0) } this way there's only one lookup entering the outermost loop, | 16:38 |
| pupnik | nm | 16:38 |
| pupnik | yep | 16:38 |
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| javispedro | and since I give the compiler the right, const value, it then optimizes if (0)'s away. | 16:38 |
| javispedro | (in each branch) | 16:38 |
| pupnik | man, need 'wasd' also - badly | 16:38 |
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| pupnik | so essentially you're trying to reduce the 'state information' required to emulate the PPU | 16:39 |
| javispedro | the problem is that it's starting to become a rather big if, so I really need that "meta" you're descripting above, pupnik :) | 16:39 |
| javispedro | correct. If I make the loop require less accesses, I assume the compiler register allocator will start doing a better job. | 16:40 |
| lcuk | javispedro, i have seen implementations use a big #define template and token##pasting to achieve the resulting variations | 16:41 |
| lcuk | hold on, lemme see if i can find where i saw it | 16:41 |
| javispedro | the problem is that I don't know the values at compile time | 16:41 |
| javispedro | but at program startup time | 16:41 |
| javispedro | hm. function pointers. | 16:41 |
| javispedro | na, would slow down. | 16:42 |
| lcuk | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/TinyGL/TinyGL-0.4.tar.gz | 16:43 |
| lcuk | look at ztriangle.h | 16:43 |
| javispedro | a great guy ^^^ | 16:43 |
| javispedro | i ported that to palmos once :D | 16:43 |
| lcuk | it is initialized and repeatedly called from within the ztriangle source | 16:43 |
| lcuk | with different defines | 16:43 |
| lcuk | slightly different than i recall it | 16:43 |
| javispedro | wow | 16:44 |
| lcuk | javispedro, it compiles nicely for 8x0 :) | 16:44 |
| lcuk | neat trick isnt it | 16:45 |
| javispedro | yep, I like it. | 16:47 |
| javispedro | thanks! | 16:47 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | btw, I got around 5 glxgears fps in my PalmT|X :) | 16:48 |
| javispedro | not bad considering the gl* calls were being done from m68k (so each call meant a byteswap) | 16:48 |
| lcuk | yeah - much lower framebuffer size there tho | 16:49 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro, what the heck you're doing? :) | 16:49 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus, trying to win the 100cc mushroom cup in super mario kart. | 16:50 |
| javispedro | :) | 16:50 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 16:50 |
| javispedro | which is not possible with the current 9 fps with sound :( | 16:50 |
| slonopotamus | turn off sound | 16:50 |
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| javispedro | that's cheating ;) | 16:50 |
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| wazd | haaaaa) | 16:54 |
| wazd | lololol | 16:54 |
| mmu_screen | fabrice rox | 16:54 |
| wazd | Remember I was asking if there were any text separator widget in SDK? :) | 16:54 |
| mmu_screen | oh it's St Fabrice today btw :) | 16:54 |
| wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr62.jpg | 16:54 |
| wazd | tadam :) | 16:54 |
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| javispedro | oh, i though that was port of the "GroupButton" widget (sorry I only know the palmos name for it ;) ) | 16:55 |
| wazd | and looks like we'll have still 16 bit color but they'll use some dithering for gradients | 16:56 |
| wazd | javispedro: nono, above group buttons | 16:56 |
| wazd | javispedro: sort and slideshow | 16:56 |
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| javispedro | wazd: yep, those. aren't they part of the widget below them? | 17:02 |
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| lcuk | shouldnt think so javispedro | 17:09 |
| lcuk | just a header element | 17:09 |
| javispedro | undocumented then I guess? | 17:10 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 17:10 |
| lcuk | not looked at what parts are | 17:10 |
| lcuk | but if i was making one, it wouldnt be more more than a label | 17:10 |
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| wazd | javispedro: guess not cause I've seen that groupbutton without top part | 17:13 |
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| wazd | javispedro: I need top part for this: http://i044.radikal.ru/0908/10/57c26cc85b97.jpg | 17:14 |
| javispedro | ah | 17:14 |
| javispedro | btw very cool. looks iphoneish :) | 17:14 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, yeah, but that's kinda best way I guess :) | 17:16 |
| Macer | got sound and wifi tethering working in mer | 17:18 |
| Macer | neet | 17:18 |
| * qwerty12_N810 finds it ironic that the deprecated widgets section of libhildon's docs for Fremantle can actually give more information on the widgets for Diablo :p | 17:19 | |
| Macer | unfortunately | 17:20 |
| Macer | the vol control | 17:20 |
| Macer | doesnt work unless i use alsa mixer | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | alsamixer -c 0 or gnome-alsamixer | 17:20 |
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| Macer | yah | 17:20 |
| Macer | the one in the tray tho ;) | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 17:21 |
| Macer | it nis like | 17:21 |
| Macer | really amplified | 17:21 |
| Macer | haha | 17:21 |
| Macer | loud as hell | 17:21 |
| javispedro | The hildon docs are really missing a few screenshots | 17:21 |
| Macer | first time i had it turned all the way up | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: understand my hint of unmuting now? :P | 17:22 |
| Macer | oh i already went through that on PCs Stskeeps | 17:22 |
| Macer | ;) was acommon problem | 17:22 |
| fureddo | Hi. A few days ago, I uploaded my application to extras-devel repo. Now, I would like to upload it again but this time with fewer packages in Build-Depends line. | 17:22 |
| Macer | i am liking mer more now heh | 17:23 |
| Macer | cant wait to see what the next ver brings | 17:23 |
| fureddo | Apparently, I cannot overwrite it. | 17:23 |
| Macer | no dist-upgrade for mer yet? | 17:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: believe it or not, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/ch02.html actually has more screenshots of diablo widgets than the diablo pages itself do... | 17:24 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: why no mplayer pkg? | 17:24 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, lol, all of them are diablo! | 17:24 |
| Macer | maybe i missed it | 17:24 |
| fureddo | Is there some way to overwrite the uploaded application without increasing the version number? | 17:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: hehe, I was like WTF when I saw it too :D | 17:25 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: also, going to fix the menu editor? | 17:25 |
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| Macer | or is there a way for me to update? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: hildon-plugin-settings is dying a slow nice death atm | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: legal issues | 17:25 |
| Macer | so switching menu systems? | 17:26 |
| b-man16 | hello Stskeeps :) | 17:26 |
| Macer | or switching the config? | 17:26 |
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| Macer | because having everything in "Extras" | 17:28 |
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| Macer | is there some other way to edit it? | 17:28 |
| MrGoose | lcuk: is there any chance of pdf files being supported by liqbase? | 17:29 |
| lcuk | mrgoose, theres every possibility. but im not personally interested in implementing it. there will be plenty of examples of how such a thing could be done when things start being released | 17:30 |
| Macer | i can use diablo repos for mer? | 17:30 |
| Anidel | found and fixed a bug that was not showing the canvas in Xournal :D cool I can draw in Fremantle | 17:30 |
| lcuk | MrGoose, i just like writing on everything. all liq* screens have capability to be drawn on | 17:31 |
| * lcuk is a modernday caveman | 17:31 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Caveman is right... you live up North :p | 17:32 |
| * lcuk zooms into qwerty and draws crosshairs | 17:32 | |
| Macer | i need an mplayer pkg | 17:33 |
| Macer | ablah | 17:33 |
| lcuk | build yourself for mer - i believe obs wont do it for you | 17:33 |
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| Macer | lcuk: can i build on the device? | 17:35 |
| lcuk | according to the spec of mer, thats entirely possible | 17:36 |
| Macer | i shought there was a build-essentials | 17:36 |
| Macer | pkg | 17:36 |
| Macer | do i need a repo for it? | 17:36 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 17:36 |
| lcuk | i just heard it was one of the things | 17:36 |
| Macer | damn | 17:41 |
| Macer | yeah it is build-essential | 17:41 |
| Macer | awesome | 17:41 |
| Macer | downloading 45MB off a tethered connection tho | 17:42 |
| Macer | that kind of sucks | 17:42 |
| Macer | ah well. bbl | 17:42 |
| Macer | im starting to like mer more and more | 17:43 |
| Macer | :) | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | Macer, technically same build-essential is available for maemo | 17:46 |
| lcuk | it just lacks some of the other periphery :) | 17:47 |
| pupnik | is there a new/better synergy for os2008? | 18:01 |
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| Jaffa | Eh, did dneary just send an email to maemo-announce about the voting for the *last* election? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | hah Jaffa i was just sending a reply to that effect | 18:14 |
| Stskeeps | yay time travel | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | i went and read the candidate list and everything until i realized | 18:14 |
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| jakemaheu | Hello Everyone! | 18:22 |
| pupnik | moo | 18:23 |
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| jakemaheu | !seen solca | 18:24 |
| jakemaheu | ~seen solca | 18:24 |
| jakemaheu | what happened to infobot? | 18:24 |
| pupnik | piano fell on it | 18:24 |
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| Anidel | Enough for today.. alpha version for Fremantle of Xournal has been uploaded to the build queue. As soon as I'll install again the Diablo SDK I'll patch it as well..I think I know how to fix it | 18:31 |
| * pupnik googles xournal | 18:31 | |
| Anidel | pupnik: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/xournal/ | 18:32 |
| pupnik | damn google customizing my results | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, only does it if you are logged in | 18:33 |
| Anidel | :) | 18:33 |
| lcuk | so stop giving google your details onmasse :P | 18:34 |
| pupnik | hmm xournal for maemo seems to be 3rc hit in google search for xournal | 18:34 |
| pupnik | 3rd | 18:34 |
| Anidel | makes sense :) | 18:35 |
| pupnik | im wearing through the n810 kbd | 18:36 |
| pupnik | dirty thumbs | 18:36 |
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| pupnik | grit | 18:36 |
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| * javispedro creates 9 parameter macro | 18:37 | |
| javispedro | thank god I'll never have to rebase this into a newer version | 18:37 |
| lcuk | never say never! | 18:38 |
| javispedro | I'll be safely hidden far, far away from here if the need ever arises. | 18:39 |
| lcuk | haha | 18:39 |
| lcuk | we will forward all requests to javispedro@outermongolia | 18:39 |
| jakemaheu | Would you guys mind taking a look at my blog? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, only if you can primse we wont spontaniously combust | 18:40 |
| jakemaheu | Sure.... | 18:41 |
| * lcuk is losing the will to type | 18:41 | |
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| jakemaheu | http://jakemaheu.com | 18:41 |
| jakemaheu | What do you think? | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | what is scancode for a s d | 18:47 |
| pupnik | w is 25 | 18:47 |
| javispedro | a 38 s 39 d 40 w 25 | 18:47 |
| javispedro | pupnik, wnat test program? | 18:47 |
| javispedro | *want. | 18:47 |
| javispedro | (I built a simple thingie showing scancodes for keys pressed, it must be still roaming around the dosbox thread) | 18:48 |
| pupnik | ah 38no | 18:49 |
| pupnik | q | 18:49 |
| pupnik | well yes! | 18:49 |
| javispedro | :P | 18:49 |
| pupnik | no i have them | 18:49 |
| jakemaheu | :D | 18:49 |
| pupnik | lost wlan there | 18:49 |
| pupnik | testing nao | 18:49 |
| lcuk | scancodes - dont different keyboards have different codes | 18:49 |
| jakemaheu | Did anyone read the article on the N900? | 18:49 |
| Anidel | Cool, it was compiled fine :) | 18:50 |
| javispedro | probably lcuk, but in the wacky Maemo world even keysyms are different in different devices ;) | 18:50 |
| javispedro | save for the common ones, but since I'm not interested in the common ones... | 18:51 |
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| pupnik | hmm game too fast. must slow down | 18:52 |
| javispedro | snes? | 18:53 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:53 |
| javispedro | wow | 18:53 |
| pupnik | normal speed too fast for me | 18:53 |
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| javispedro | try pal | 18:53 |
| pupnik | timing... | 18:53 |
| pupnik | no just old | 18:53 |
| pupnik | i set fs 0 and lower cpu spd for this level | 18:54 |
| javispedro | I have a new idea for the non-turbo mode, using select instead of usleep | 18:54 |
| javispedro | the sdl guys say it's faster | 18:54 |
| pupnik | strange | 18:54 |
| pupnik | did you figure out xlation from snes pallette to n800 rgb? | 18:55 |
| javispedro | no idea. you see garbled colors | 18:55 |
| javispedro | ? | 18:55 |
| pupnik | there must be some | 18:55 |
| pupnik | no | 18:55 |
| javispedro | it does some brightness adjustment but that's about it | 18:56 |
| pupnik | remember rst's comment on pallette->rgb->16bit? | 18:56 |
| javispedro | yes; since it does that only when the palette changes I don't think there's much speed to be gained there | 18:56 |
| pupnik | oh! | 18:57 |
| javispedro | (e.g. the whole mode7 funcs don't do any color conversion at all) | 18:57 |
| javispedro | they all handle target's (nokia) rgb565 | 18:57 |
| pupnik | i thought that happened for all drawing | 18:57 |
| pupnik | cool | 18:57 |
| jakemaheu | For those of you that have seen the proto for the N900, are you planning on buying one? | 18:58 |
| Anidel | hopefully.. I would like to hold it first, tho | 18:58 |
| jakemaheu | Apparently it's smaller | 18:58 |
| Anidel | I think the Nokia flagship store here in London will have it for sure | 18:58 |
| jakemaheu | Lucky | 18:58 |
| javispedro | pupnik, well, to tell the truth, yes, there's a color conversion, using the prefilled palette. | 18:59 |
| javispedro | jakemaheu, seen the price yet? :) | 19:00 |
| jakemaheu | 500 euros | 19:00 |
| jakemaheu | 730 usd | 19:00 |
| javispedro | _550_ | 19:00 |
| jakemaheu | :( | 19:00 |
| jakemaheu | DDD: | 19:00 |
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| aol | it will be cheaper in states anyways | 19:01 |
| jakemaheu | i said that on my twitter lol | 19:01 |
| aol | the sim-free phones are always cheaper over there | 19:02 |
| jakemaheu | i want that 5mp carl zeiss | 19:02 |
| javispedro | who is carl zeiss btw? :D | 19:02 |
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| chx | I will buy one when it's below 300USD | 19:02 |
| aol | I could say that you can pretty much convert those euros directly to USD | 19:02 |
| chx | it wont take more than two years. | 19:02 |
| aol | so 550$ should be close | 19:02 |
| jakemaheu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Zeiss | 19:02 |
| jakemaheu | plus a subsidized contract | 19:02 |
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| aol | I'll buy one immediately | 19:02 |
| jakemaheu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Zeiss_AG | 19:03 |
| javispedro | jakemaheu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Zeiss_AG | 19:03 |
| aol | or rather, I'll make my boss to buy me one | 19:03 |
| javispedro | damn :;) | 19:03 |
| jakemaheu | NINJA'D | 19:03 |
| chx | aol: now, if i get a chance to do THAT , then sure i want one :P | 19:03 |
| Luke-Jr | aol: sim-free? more like sim-incompatible | 19:03 |
| * javispedro has the feeling that even with carl zeiss whatever it'll be still as bad as a regular phone cam. | 19:03 | |
| aol | Luke-Jr: sim-free is another word for "without contract" | 19:04 |
| jakemaheu | it's supposed to be able to record full-motion video at 800x480 | 19:04 |
| javispedro | wierd resolution. | 19:04 |
| chx | there is more to a camera than lens.... | 19:04 |
| aol | unsubsidized | 19:04 |
| Luke-Jr | aol: oh, you mean "sim not included", not "incapable of using sim" | 19:04 |
| jakemaheu | but the lens does make a big difference | 19:04 |
| zerojayPC | javispedro: Gotta disagree. | 19:04 |
| javispedro | for capturing, I mean. | 19:04 |
| Luke-Jr | N900 sucks anyway. | 19:04 |
| jakemaheu | i have an OLD powershot a410 with epic glass | 19:05 |
| jakemaheu | it's 3.0 mp, but takes amazing images | 19:05 |
| Luke-Jr | I'd pay at most $250 for a N900 *today* | 19:05 |
| aol | Luke-Jr: yeah.. In Europe lots more phones are sold without contract than in USA ... so you just pay the whole phone immediately, and then pay much less for the contract | 19:05 |
| jakemaheu | + contract? | 19:05 |
| pupnik | i need a "matrix" button for these games --- :) | 19:05 |
| aol | it's hard to understand people who say iPhone is cheap as it's only $99 | 19:06 |
| javispedro | matrix? ;) | 19:06 |
| pupnik | slow Ãmotion | 19:06 |
| javispedro | haha | 19:06 |
| aquatix | aol: indeed, as it's really about 800 EUR | 19:06 |
| aol | and while they are paying 70-99$ month for the contract?! | 19:06 |
| jakemaheu | Here's a picture from that old 3.0MP Canon: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cactus_Spines.JPG | 19:06 |
| javispedro | pull git and manually add a bigger FrameTime ;) | 19:06 |
| aquatix | aol: ha, and that | 19:06 |
| pupnik | hmm sound broke | 19:07 |
| jakemaheu | There's also this one: http://tinyurl.com/kwezcj | 19:07 |
| pupnik | how restart esd/alsa | 19:07 |
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| javispedro | alsa can't be restarted other than rebooting | 19:07 |
| lcuk | wow jakemaheu the pic of the eye is cool | 19:07 |
| lcuk | really reflective | 19:07 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 19:07 |
| javispedro | esd just kill it, it crashes all the time either way. | 19:07 |
| jakemaheu | i try :) | 19:07 |
| pupnik | used to have smth .. ty | 19:07 |
| lcuk | shame it couldnt be taken so you cant see the camera in reflection | 19:07 |
| jakemaheu | meh | 19:08 |
| jakemaheu | totally worth it | 19:08 |
| javispedro | pupnik, probably some dsp thingie then. I don't know about taht. | 19:08 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: rmmod && modprobe | 19:08 |
| jakemaheu | you can see trees at my school in the reflection | 19:08 |
| javispedro | Luke-Jr, alsa is builtin in diablo | 19:08 |
| Luke-Jr | javispedro: why would anyone use Diablo? | 19:08 |
| Luke-Jr | <.< | 19:08 |
| * lcuk does - whats wrong with it | 19:08 | |
| lcuk | its default and stable and comes with the device | 19:09 |
| Luke-Jr | unmaintained buggy piece of crap | 19:09 |
| * javispedro also will probably use diablo for life ... | 19:09 | |
| aol | So when is Mer finished enough to be less buggy than Diablo? | 19:09 |
| pupnik | brb | 19:09 |
| Luke-Jr | ask someone who uses Mer | 19:09 |
| lcuk | aol, diablo will still be used by some | 19:09 |
| javispedro | by Fremantle time ;) | 19:09 |
| lcuk | the kind of people who buy a tool and dont see the need to change it if it does everything they want already | 19:10 |
| lcuk | some folks still use chinook for similar reason | 19:10 |
| Luke-Jr | Diablo is useful only for a notepad really | 19:10 |
| lcuk | i use diablo extensively for development | 19:10 |
| Luke-Jr | the browser sucks, the communications is too buggy to work right... | 19:10 |
| Luke-Jr | the GPS is bugged | 19:10 |
| lcuk | mer wont make the hardware magically better | 19:11 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: none of these are hardware problems | 19:11 |
| javispedro | also, I like the browser... :P | 19:11 |
| lcuk | the games are good and solid | 19:11 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 19:11 |
| Luke-Jr | if I wanted a gaming system, I'd probably get a DS | 19:11 |
| javispedro | and icd is better than nm ;) | 19:12 |
| Luke-Jr | iwconfig > icd > nm | 19:12 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, people still run DOS and windows 3.1 every day | 19:12 |
| lcuk | dure, theres newer and better - but if it works for them, why change | 19:12 |
| lcuk | sure | 19:13 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: DOS is maintained more than Diablo | 19:13 |
| javispedro | using the butterfly effect to flip bits in ram > iwconfig > icd > nm | 19:13 |
| Luke-Jr | Windows 3.1, people better not be using... | 19:13 |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, DOS is closed source | 19:13 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: no | 19:13 |
| lcuk | does microsoft still release updates | 19:13 |
| glass_ | buils down to which dos | 19:13 |
| Luke-Jr | Microsoft isn't the only DOS company | 19:13 |
| glass_ | dos is easy "realtime" environment | 19:14 |
| Luke-Jr | http://www.freedos.org/ | 19:14 |
| lcuk | ok, MSDOS is still used you pedantic SOB. you get my point hopefully :) | 19:14 |
| javispedro | dos sucks. unportable, ugly, messy, and does nothing. end of story. | 19:14 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: now that's just stupid :þ | 19:14 |
| pupnik | javispedro incredible emu - when totally overloaded, the sound stream never srops | 19:15 |
| pupnik | drops | 19:15 |
| javispedro | thank the linux kernel for that :) | 19:15 |
| pupnik | no | 19:16 |
| pupnik | the emu coder | 19:16 |
| pupnik | s | 19:16 |
| pupnik | they keep playing samples | 19:16 |
| pupnik | even if next note is not forthcoming | 19:16 |
| javispedro | because the sound thread keeps on running | 19:16 |
| javispedro | (that design comes from upstream snes9x btw ) | 19:17 |
| pupnik | ah? hm | 19:17 |
| javispedro | I saw a thread heavily criticising it -- it seems some gaming depending on perfect sync between apu and cpu will never run due to it) | 19:17 |
| jakemaheu | has anyone seen solca? | 19:17 |
| javispedro | *games. | 19:17 |
| javispedro | but I like it, it's very, very portable. | 19:18 |
| jakemaheu | i want to find if there's been any progress on nitrdroid | 19:18 |
| jakemaheu | *nitfroid | 19:18 |
| jakemaheu | **nitdroid | 19:18 |
| * javispedro wants NitFreud so that he does not become insane. | 19:18 | |
| Macer | hi | 19:19 |
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| zerojayPC | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=314386&postcount=88 - what do ya think? | 19:29 |
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| * javispedro 's macro expands in 187806 characters wide line. | 19:41 | |
| wjt | uhm, wow. :) what does it do? | 19:42 |
| javispedro | create lots of versions of nearly the same loop so that it does not need to access memory :P | 19:43 |
| javispedro | as many flag variables as it currently does, I mean. | 19:44 |
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| pupnik | hehehe | 19:48 |
| pupnik | crazy like fox | 19:48 |
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| GAN800 | Ahaha, Luke-Jr trolling is fun. | 19:49 |
| Luke-Jr | GAN800: no u | 19:49 |
| GAN800 | So you'd be willing to pay the parts cost only? Funny. | 19:49 |
| GAN800 | Seriously, teach yourself something about economics. | 19:49 |
| pupnik | javispedro - is there a name for that in computer science? it is like ... compiling at a higher level or smth | 19:49 |
| Luke-Jr | what I'm willing to pay is based on how useful it is to me | 19:49 |
| derf | javispedro: You realize code takes up memory, too, right? | 19:50 |
| javispedro | pupnik, i always call it "borking" :P I'd be surprised If this really is any faster | 19:50 |
| pupnik | "now i make different machines for different data" | 19:50 |
| pupnik | ahh | 19:50 |
| Luke-Jr | derf: not always | 19:50 |
| javispedro | derf, yep, my hope is that since games usually set up a mode and forget about it, instructions caches will be filled with the "right" one | 19:51 |
| pupnik | clever | 19:51 |
| derf | I forget how well the branch predictor on ARM performs. | 19:51 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 19:52 |
| javispedro | there's still the storm of ifs problem, but that's done once per frame and not once per pixel | 19:52 |
| pupnik | hi lardman! see what javispedros been doing? :) | 19:52 |
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| slonopotamus | javispedro, you're insane :P | 19:53 |
| lardman | nope, what's that? | 19:53 |
| * lardman finds the archive | 19:53 | |
| pupnik | snes :) fast | 19:53 |
| lardman | ah, good stuff | 19:53 |
| * lardman doesn't play games on his device mind you | 19:53 | |
| pupnik | i am now! | 19:54 |
| pupnik | wasnt before! | 19:54 |
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| javispedro | lol it compiled, took nearly 10 full seconds :D | 19:57 |
| Macer | weell | 19:58 |
| javispedro | wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 19:58 |
| Macer | mer isnt that bad | 19:58 |
| Macer | heh | 19:58 |
| javispedro | the result is 2 EXTRA FRAMES PER SECOND!!!!!!!!!!! | 19:58 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro, hehe | 19:58 |
| Luke-Jr | 2 whole frames | 19:58 |
| Macer | that adds up | 19:58 |
| Macer | :) | 19:58 |
| javispedro | mario kart now reaches 26 with sound | 19:59 |
| javispedro | *without, sorry | 19:59 |
| aquatix | hm, that's actually about playable i guess | 19:59 |
| aquatix | good stuff | 19:59 |
| slonopotamus | that's playable | 19:59 |
| Macer | lol | 20:00 |
| Macer | mario kart huh? | 20:01 |
| Macer | i just thought about it | 20:01 |
| Macer | mer doesnt dist-upgrade | 20:01 |
| aquatix | played it a few weeks back on my wii; the snes version that is | 20:01 |
| Macer | so like | 20:01 |
| Macer | will i have to wipe/reinstall later? | 20:02 |
| aquatix | having snes stuff on my n810 would be awesome :) | 20:02 |
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| Macer | bulding mplayer in mer now | 20:02 |
| * Macer feels like he is back in gentoo | 20:03 | |
| Macer | heh | 20:03 |
| Macer | bbl | 20:03 |
| javispedro | speedhacks make it 28, peaking 30. | 20:03 |
| javispedro | (they disable sound in the rom itself among other things) | 20:03 |
| * javispedro hopes he didn't break all other games :P | 20:03 | |
| amr | wait wait hold up | 20:06 |
| amr | did i read mario kart? | 20:06 |
| javispedro | you did :P | 20:07 |
| amr | :D | 20:07 |
| Luke-Jr | duck go quack quack | 20:07 |
| amr | the nes emulator is lovely | 20:07 |
| Luke-Jr | cow go moo | 20:07 |
| amr | ive wasted so many hours playing mario over and over again | 20:07 |
| aquatix | Luke-Jr go woooh? | 20:07 |
| Luke-Jr | kitty go nyaa nyaa | 20:08 |
| Luke-Jr | how bout u? | 20:08 |
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| doc|work | anyone got any idea why, on my n800, I try to click an install file it spits out the text contents of the install file? It used not do that | 20:10 |
| jakemaheu | dunno | 20:10 |
| jakemaheu | i remember someone had that problem a while ago | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | doc|home, the mime type of the server offering the .install download may be incorrectly configured | 20:10 |
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| jakemaheu | i think it's a mine type deal | 20:10 |
| amr | fucking windows | 20:10 |
| jakemaheu | augh ninja's | 20:10 |
| jakemaheu | *ninja'd | 20:10 |
| lcuk | doc|home, whats the url | 20:11 |
| lcuk | then we can confirm if its a general site problem, or a specific tablet problem | 20:11 |
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| doc|work | lcuk: http://trac.tspre.org/merinstaller.install | 20:12 |
| doc|work | happens with others too, from maemo.org | 20:13 |
| lcuk | doesnt even load for me, browser is borkened mm | 20:14 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, does that work for you ^ | 20:14 |
| jakemaheu | works fine for me | 20:15 |
| jakemaheu | firefox 3.5 | 20:15 |
| jakemaheu | :) | 20:15 |
| lcuk | thats not actually whats checking | 20:15 |
| lcuk | its whether it opens up the app manager on device itself :P | 20:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Asks me if I want to download in Tear, but no idea about MicroB as I do not use it | 20:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +it | 20:16 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:16 |
| lcuk | so still non the wiser :| sorry doc | 20:16 |
| lcuk | thanks q | 20:16 |
| doc|work | no worries | 20:17 |
| doc|work | anyone else? | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | WORKSFORME: "File download. Name: merinstaller.install, type: application/x-install-instructions, size: 0,39 KiB, open with: app manager". | 20:17 |
| doc|laptop | grrr | 20:17 |
| doc|laptop | thanks javispedro | 20:17 |
| javispedro | hum, browser hung as soon as I hit open, but I guess that's another story. | 20:18 |
| jakemaheu | Can anyone find me the Penny Arcade comic where they have the Wacom Cintiq duel? | 20:20 |
| jakemaheu | I'm writing an article and I need it. | 20:20 |
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| aquatix | jakemaheu: that fairly recent one? | 20:24 |
| jakemaheu | i think so | 20:24 |
| jakemaheu | I can't seem to find it through searching | 20:24 |
| pupnik | woo caught the rat | 20:25 |
| jakemaheu | and brute-force looking through all 400+ comics won't work either | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | jakemaheu, it will | 20:25 |
| lcuk | and it will also allow you to discover those odd days where you missed em | 20:25 |
| lcuk | and didnt realise | 20:26 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: just because you brute-force instead of doing proper optimization doesn't mean it'll work for everyone | 20:26 |
| jakemaheu | hehehe | 20:26 |
| * lcuk has done more optimization than most folks realise :) | 20:27 | |
| javispedro | optimization you say? i could hit with my "optimization" in your head! remember it's 180000-ish chars long, it could do a lot of damage! | 20:27 |
| javispedro | ;P | 20:27 |
| jakemaheu | hehehe you still havent fixed the stamp tool in liqbase | 20:27 |
| lcuk | why, is it broken? | 20:28 |
| * javispedro appropiately #ifdefs USE_CRAZY_NONSENSE_OPTS the whole thing :P | 20:28 | |
| javispedro | and calls it a day :) | 20:28 |
| lcuk | i seem to recall the only thing wrong with it was it would happily churn away and render a multi recursive drawing | 20:28 |
| lcuk | it worked perfectly, and if you had just left it alone it would be finished by now | 20:29 |
| lcuk | 12 months in performance mode wouldv done the job i think - providing you didnt add new strokes to it | 20:29 |
| jakemaheu | lolol http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/6/24/ | 20:30 |
| lardman | cu all latewr | 20:31 |
| lardman | later even :) | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | jakemaheu, stamp tool has been improved anyway | 20:31 |
| * aquatix goes have some supper | 20:31 | |
| jakemaheu | yay | 20:31 |
| jakemaheu | i installed liqbase-playground | 20:31 |
| lcuk | havent you seen all the funky rendering throughout liqbase | 20:31 |
| lcuk | every visual tile is now a stamp | 20:32 |
| jakemaheu | i cant make heads or tails of it | 20:32 |
| lcuk | good | 20:32 |
| lcuk | thats the ide | 20:32 |
| lcuk | a | 20:32 |
| jakemaheu | lol the original liqbase had a readable interface | 20:32 |
| jakemaheu | playground has recursive panels in several places | 20:32 |
| * lcuk nods | 20:32 | |
| jakemaheu | yo ucan' | 20:32 |
| jakemaheu | er, you can't tell what is a button and what isn't | 20:33 |
| * lcuk nods again | 20:33 | |
| jakemaheu | Red sox renegade says: | 20:33 |
| jakemaheu | J-mal J gave it a0: | 20:33 |
| jakemaheu | Boring game, graphics suck, gameplay is boring, no fun at all. I don't see why anyone would play it. | 20:33 |
| jakemaheu | Red sox renegade says: | 20:33 |
| jakemaheu | lol this retard on metacritic showing what he thinks of OOT | 20:33 |
| jakemaheu | Jake says: | 20:33 |
| jakemaheu | WOW I'M GONNA BURN DOWN HIS HOUSE | 20:33 |
| javispedro | er ... ? | 20:34 |
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| jakemaheu | i love ocarina of time | 20:35 |
| javispedro | ah, _OoT_ | 20:35 |
| * javispedro doubts even the N900 can emulate the 64. | 20:36 | |
| slonopotamus | btw | 20:36 |
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| slonopotamus | anyone tries software opengl (from mesa) on n8x0? is it unusably slow? | 20:37 |
| javispedro | tinygl will be better | 20:37 |
| javispedro | but I wouldn't expect more than 10-12 fps out of glxgears using it | 20:38 |
| Komzpa | no compiz effects? :'( | 20:38 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro, and with mesa? | 20:39 |
| javispedro | slower, worse. | 20:39 |
| javispedro | TinyGL is less features, has some bugs, but is really really speedy | 20:40 |
| Luke-Jr | compiz sucks anyway | 20:40 |
| javispedro | fwiw, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29539 | 20:41 |
| javispedro | I don't want compiz, but the 3D drivers would be cool, even if we're limited to 30fps and < 640x480 surfaces. | 20:43 |
| jakemaheu | FOUND IT | 20:44 |
| jakemaheu | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/1/9/ | 20:44 |
| jakemaheu | FINALLY | 20:44 |
| jakemaheu | A rhombus is the kind of rectangle a bitch would draw! | 20:44 |
| Luke-Jr | glad we have that clarified | 20:45 |
| jakemaheu | Is there a linux driver for the Cintiqs? | 20:46 |
| javispedro | I was looking for someone who benchmarked mesa in tmo but couldn't find it | 20:46 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, so. plasma-4.3 still eats ram? | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | yes | 20:46 |
| Luke-Jr | what's more | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | I blame you | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | :D | 20:47 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, the asus eee top is a nice finger touch computer in a monitor | 20:47 |
| lcuk | and cheaper | 20:47 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, strange, it's memory usage is comparable to other kde things on amd64 | 20:47 |
| jakemaheu | it doesn't have a wacom digitizer though | 20:47 |
| slonopotamus | s/it's/its/ | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: … no | 20:47 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, ... | 20:47 |
| Luke-Jr | 17 MB of RAM on amd64 right now | 20:48 |
| Luke-Jr | and that's NOT including X resources | 20:48 |
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| slonopotamus | k. now compare with kopete | 20:48 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, disable wallpaper :) | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | I don't use kopete | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: I did | 20:49 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, ok, konsole or kwin | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | KWin -- 12 MB | 20:49 |
| Luke-Jr | Konsole -- 101 MB | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf! | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus | o_O | 20:50 |
| jakemaheu | i'm sad because the compaq m500 that had an ubuntu uptime of 168 days locked up when i tried to put in a wireless card | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, 17 isn't much more than 12 :) | 20:50 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: still too much | 20:50 |
| slonopotamus | amarok - 106M | 20:51 |
| Luke-Jr | Amarok is a joke | 20:51 |
| slonopotamus | btw. wtf is that akonadi and nepomuk crap? | 20:52 |
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| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: exactly that: crap | 20:52 |
| Luke-Jr | at least nepomuk can be turned off | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | having them enabled results in 5 mins of 100% cpu usage and VERY intensive disk activity after logon | 20:52 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, akonadi too | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | no surprise | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | no, akonadi is mandatory in 4.3 | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | nepomuk is file indexing crap | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | akonadi is PIM cache | 20:53 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, i don't have akonadi running | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | akonadi is basically a MySQL server, unless you USE='sqlite -mysql' | 20:53 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: you must not be using much of KDE | 20:54 |
| Luke-Jr | start KMail or KAddressbook | 20:54 |
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| slonopotamus | oh, k | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | i wonder what they were thinking about | 20:54 |
| Luke-Jr | KDE devs appear to be idiot | 20:54 |
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| Luke-Jr | just like most other devs | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | semantic desktop, meh | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | i also was very surprised to find absence of 'root mode' in kcontrol or how it's called now | 20:55 |
| slonopotamus | so kdm settings are effectively unusable :) | 20:56 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, btw. have you tried turning wd off so it doesn't reboot under high swap usage? | 20:57 |
| Luke-Jr | no | 20:57 |
| Luke-Jr | could result in battery explosion etc | 20:57 |
| slonopotamus | backup before doing that:) | 20:58 |
| Luke-Jr | backup hardware? | 20:58 |
| jakemaheu | since the release of the alpha sdk for fremantle, has any real progress actually happened? | 20:58 |
| jakemaheu | for diablo, that is | 20:58 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, no, why it should be? | 20:58 |
| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: not for a year or so I think | 20:58 |
| Luke-Jr | Nokia has proven they have no commitment to support old, or even current hardware | 20:59 |
| jakemaheu | nokia has burned plenty of bridges | 20:59 |
| jakemaheu | Luke-Jr: exactly | 20:59 |
| Luke-Jr | I will only buy a N900 when it is proven to be 100% open source and supportable by non-Nokia | 20:59 |
| * slonopotamus is more than sure that diablo flash has a number of known security holes | 20:59 | |
| jakemaheu | and the addition of a phone removed an incentive for many-- a mobile computer without a modem | 20:59 |
| Luke-Jr | and probably not even then, since the kb sucks | 20:59 |
| jakemaheu | er, a built-in phone | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, kb is worse than n810, right? | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: why would you NOT want a modem?> | 21:00 |
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| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: yeah | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: 3 rows instead of 4 | 21:00 |
| jakemaheu | i mean a gsm modem | 21:00 |
| jakemaheu | like a built in cell phone | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: why would you NOT want one? | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr | you can always ignore it | 21:00 |
| jakemaheu | Some of us can't afford data plans | 21:00 |
| * slonopotamus just has cell phone with bt in the pocket | 21:00 | |
| Luke-Jr | so don't use it | 21:00 |
| jakemaheu | That's why we have wifi. | 21:00 |
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| jakemaheu | Luke-Jr then it's just extra cost for us | 21:01 |
| jakemaheu | because not only is it then unsubsidized, you have useless hardware | 21:02 |
| Luke-Jr | if you only look at "now" and not 3 years down the road when you can afford a data plan | 21:02 |
| jakemaheu | then the n900 is obsolete | 21:02 |
| Luke-Jr | see, that's the problem :þ | 21:02 |
| jakemaheu | by nvidia tegra | 21:02 |
| Luke-Jr | I buy for 5 years at a time | 21:02 |
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| jakemaheu | lol my desktop is that old | 21:02 |
| Luke-Jr | I would be surprised if nVidia could even begin to outdo Nokia | 21:02 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, $550 for n900. what 'extra cost' are you talking about? :) | 21:02 |
| jakemaheu | :( | 21:02 |
| Luke-Jr | nVidia doesn't even cooperate with Linux devs enough to be decently supported on the desktop | 21:03 |
| * slonopotamus doesn't remember why he thinks it's $550 | 21:03 | |
| jakemaheu | slonopotamus, it's the cost of the phone hardware | 21:03 |
| Luke-Jr | my desktop is 5 years old | 21:03 |
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| Luke-Jr | I'm about to replace it with a free Pentium 4 | 21:03 |
| jakemaheu | there's a problem with all linux distros | 21:03 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, phone with bt is <= $150 | 21:03 |
| jakemaheu | if your hardware is too old, it's legacy and not supported in the newest version | 21:04 |
| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: huh? | 21:04 |
| jakemaheu | if your hardware is cutting edge, there are no open drivers for it | 21:04 |
| Luke-Jr | once hardware is supported by Linux, I've never seen it lose support | 21:04 |
| jakemaheu | xorg | 21:04 |
| jakemaheu | nuff said | 21:04 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 21:04 |
| Luke-Jr | Xorg still supports the oldest video cards it ever supported | 21:04 |
| Luke-Jr | AFAIK | 21:05 |
| jakemaheu | look at jaunty 9.04 and ati dropped the x1350pro into legacy | 21:05 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 21:05 |
| Luke-Jr | what? | 21:05 |
| jakemaheu | their legacy driver doesn't work with the new xorg | 21:05 |
| Luke-Jr | Xorg certainly supports my X850 | 21:05 |
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| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: oh, you're talking out-of-tree non-free crap | 21:05 |
| Luke-Jr | that doesn't count | 21:05 |
| lcuk | is the ati driver for those models open source? | 21:05 |
| Luke-Jr | X.org still supports everything it always has | 21:05 |
| jakemaheu | i'm not sure | 21:05 |
| jakemaheu | you need the closed driver for 3d accel for gaming on Wine | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | i use steam | 21:06 |
| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: see, that's your real problem | 21:06 |
| Luke-Jr | stop using crap like that | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | and if my card had worked, i'd be using ubuntu right now | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | HEY | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | GET OUT | 21:06 |
| lcuk | oooh, steam have an official linux client now? | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | Wine or Steam? | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | no | 21:06 |
| Luke-Jr | both | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | it doesn't | 21:06 |
| Luke-Jr | I mean, WINE is ok, but it has no real legit purpos | 21:06 |
| jakemaheu | Luke-Jr just get out right now | 21:06 |
| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: no u | 21:07 |
| jakemaheu | it does have a legit purpose | 21:07 |
| lcuk | so, you expect it to have drivers for your hardware for a set of unsupported binary blobs? | 21:07 |
| Luke-Jr | nope | 21:08 |
| lcuk | dont get me wrong, i know binary is bad - but thats not totally the same thing as support in linux kernel | 21:08 |
| Luke-Jr | name one Free app that needs WINE | 21:08 |
| jakemaheu | It's not that-- normally you could downgrade your system and have it working fine again, but no, it break everything | 21:08 |
| Luke-Jr | one necessary Free app | 21:08 |
| jakemaheu | thats the thing | 21:08 |
| jakemaheu | how about non-free apps | 21:08 |
| jakemaheu | LIKE STEAM | 21:08 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: binary Linux-based kernels are illegal | 21:08 |
| lcuk | what is - i cant play wii games on linux | 21:08 |
| jakemaheu | Half-Life 2 is a good games | 21:08 |
| lcuk | no they arent | 21:08 |
| Luke-Jr | non-free apps are bad, but legal | 21:08 |
| lcuk | ubuntu is a binary distribution | 21:09 |
| jakemaheu | brb lunch | 21:09 |
| amr | christ how ive missed linux arguments | 21:09 |
| lcuk | not supplying the source is the licence breaker you are thinking of | 21:09 |
| Luke-Jr | just because Ubuntu gets away with illegal things doesn't suddenly make them legal | 21:09 |
| * amr is reminded why he got rid of linux on the desktop | 21:09 | |
| lcuk | Luke-Jr, distributing a binary of a gpl app is perfectly fine | 21:09 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: yes, but that's not what I was talking about | 21:10 |
| lcuk | <Luke-Jr> lcuk: binary Linux-based kernels are illegal | 21:10 |
| Luke-Jr | binary-only* | 21:10 |
| lcuk | no, i could compile up the kernel today, take the cd to the market and sell it legally | 21:10 |
| lcuk | if anyone would pay | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | you buy a tomtom that has a binary linux inside it | 21:11 |
| amr | i think he's using some stupid definition of illegal, where anything that goes against his opinion is outlawed | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | amr, sounds about right | 21:11 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: your CD would require source or an offer | 21:12 |
| amr | oh, apparently he's being serious | 21:12 |
| lcuk | thats different, if you ask me for a napkin ill give you one, but im not gonna put a sign up offering free ones | 21:12 |
| lcuk | and you cant have a napkin unless you buy my cd | 21:13 |
| lcuk | or pay for the delivery costs | 21:13 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: you're required to offer the source with the CD, if the code isn't on the CD itself | 21:13 |
| Luke-Jr | furthermore, the offer must be valid for anyone, not merely persons who purchased the CD from you | 21:14 |
| lcuk | yeah sure, come and pick up the source | 21:15 |
| lcuk | or ill mail it you, but it will cost you $10 for courier | 21:15 |
| Luke-Jr | exactly XD | 21:16 |
| lcuk | our offices are located on the north face of everest, 24,000 foot above sea level | 21:17 |
| * lcuk would actually like to distribute source only | 21:18 | |
| lcuk | for even end user grandmas to get programs from source | 21:18 |
| lcuk | and have them compiled on demand | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | (or grandpas :P Myrtti) | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 21:29 |
| jakemaheu | moo | 21:34 |
| RST38h | Have the news about one of three Maemo5 devices having different hardware been already posted to talk? | 21:36 |
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| jakemaheu | wat | 21:37 |
| jakemaheu | i was not aware of this | 21:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: no, the current debate is "multi-touch". ffs | 21:37 |
| jakemaheu | interesting | 21:38 |
| jakemaheu | do we actually have a use for multi-touch beside eye candy? | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, does _anyone_ have a real use for it? :) | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | not anything exceptionally useful | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | maybe a touchscreen keyboard | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | but that would such | 21:39 |
| jakemaheu | *suck | 21:39 |
| slonopotamus | multitouch kb??? | 21:40 |
| amr | so you could press shift and anothe char | 21:40 |
| amr | or for gaming controls? thatd be pretty handy | 21:40 |
| RST38h | qwerty: More iPhone trolls or the same ones not able to hit the bucket by popular request? | 21:40 |
| jakemaheu | except when you slightly move your fingers down and crouch when you're trying to run from the heavy fire of a mingun | 21:41 |
| slonopotamus | amr, that only requires double-, not multi- :) | 21:41 |
| jakemaheu | or a regular kb | 21:41 |
| jakemaheu | :) | 21:41 |
| amr | don't be pedantic | 21:41 |
| slonopotamus | nothing can be more usable than hw kb :) trust me, i'm n800 owner | 21:42 |
| amr | many devices do fine without one | 21:42 |
| jakemaheu | same here | 21:42 |
| amr | i have an n810 and the keyboard is nice | 21:42 |
| amr | but i coped just fine on my 770 | 21:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: same ones... beats me why they're on Talk. But, anyway, is more details known of this hardware difference? :) | 21:43 |
| jakemaheu | i have a ppc-6700 (htc apache) that has a slide out kb and its okay | 21:43 |
| jakemaheu | cluncky tho | 21:43 |
| Luke-Jr | amr: you must have never used a Zaurus | 21:43 |
| jakemaheu | *clunky | 21:43 |
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| amr | no because i'm not talking about devices from the 90s | 21:43 |
| Luke-Jr | Zaurus keyboard was far superior to N810 kb | 21:43 |
| RST38h | qwerty: The info was mentioned in Eldar's twitter | 21:44 |
| * slonopotamus had psion long time ago. its kb was really cool | 21:44 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: What will it cost to make Reggie insert "iPhone" into the list of indecent words to be blocked? | 21:44 |
| amr | why bother? | 21:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Ah, thanks... | 21:45 |
| jakemaheu | $20 | 21:45 |
| jakemaheu | or a reacharound | 21:46 |
| jakemaheu | :D | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: An iTard hopefully | 21:46 |
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| jakemaheu | a troll from Engadget | 21:46 |
| jakemaheu | iEye | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I wonder what Jobs does to have so many fans who'd love to buttfuck him | 21:46 |
| doc|home | qwerty12_N810: produces good products :/ | 21:47 |
| doc|home | I'm quite liking my ipod touch, except for the whole app store thing | 21:47 |
| amr | while its annoying to be an apple fanboy, its just, if not more, annoying to be totally anti-apple | 21:47 |
| doc|home | sorry, just thought it had to be said :/ | 21:47 |
| amr | yea i like my brother's ipod touch | 21:47 |
| Luke-Jr | why? Apple is worse than Microsfot | 21:47 |
| amr | *rolleyes* | 21:48 |
| jakemaheu | apple makes nice products that are usually well-designed, but they come at a high premium | 21:48 |
| amr | exactly | 21:48 |
| slonopotamus | it's not anti-apple. it's anti-closed-sw/hw | 21:48 |
| jakemaheu | nuff said | 21:48 |
| amr | the vast majority of people dont give a toss about closed sw/hw, though | 21:48 |
| doc|home | qwerty12_N810: I avoided buying apple stuff for so long, then dell gave me crap on my xps laptop so I said "screw this, maybe pay more, get more" and bought a macbook. It's great how it all integrates seamlessly. | 21:48 |
| amr | they sell well designed stuff, it works | 21:48 |
| amr | yeah i absolutely love my macbook | 21:49 |
| RST38h | Oh no not Apple advocacy attack again | 21:49 |
| doc|home | I connect my ipod touch to my macbook, do a sync and it copies all my mail settings over, podcasts, music. | 21:49 |
| * RST38h got a Toshiba Portege. Lighter than MacBook Air. And three (3) times cheaper. | 21:49 | |
| doc|home | RST38h: no, this isn't about advocacy. This is about what they're doing right and is being ignored by a lot of others. | 21:49 |
| amr | RST38h, can i run mac os x on that? | 21:49 |
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| doc|home | RST38h: let me know when you can buy it without windows :/ | 21:49 |
| doc|home | I'd have been very very happy with ubuntu | 21:49 |
| RST38h | amr: Probably, but I am running real OS on it | 21:49 |
| jakemaheu | EVERYONE | 21:50 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: if it's closed, everything else is irrelevant | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | doc|home: Ah, I dislike Dell too... I have a Dell monitor that got a red line going from the top to the bottom after about 4 months of using it | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR A MAC BUT WANT OSX? | 21:50 |
| RST38h | doc: Why? I needed Windows and got it with XP. | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | OSX86 | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | NEXT | 21:50 |
| doc|home | qwerty12_N810: yep, it's rubbish :/ | 21:50 |
| Luke-Jr | jakemaheu: that's illegal | 21:50 |
| amr | jakemaheu, not really legal though is it | 21:50 |
| jakemaheu | who cares? | 21:50 |
| Luke-Jr | obviously not you | 21:50 |
| doc|home | everyone's ignoring my point. Stuff just works. It's seamless. | 21:50 |
| doc|home | that's what I want | 21:50 |
| amr | doc|home, i agree | 21:50 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: irrelevant if closed | 21:50 |
| amr | if you want os x, you buy apple | 21:50 |
| amr | if you like it, great | 21:50 |
| RST38h | doc: Your point is that you have a MacBook and love it and want us all to love it. | 21:50 |
| amr | if not, shut the fuck up | 21:50 |
| amr | you cant deny theyre very good | 21:50 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: no! not irrelevant. You have to stay relevant. | 21:50 |
| doc|home | RST38h: *sigh* | 21:51 |
| jakemaheu | hang on and i'll post a pic of my download folders | 21:51 |
| RST38h | doc: Out point is that you should stick your MacBook where light does not shine =) | 21:51 |
| doc|home | RST38h: no, that is not my point | 21:51 |
| * GAN800 chuckles. | 21:51 | |
| RST38h | s/Out/Our | 21:51 |
| doc|home | RST38h: if I could do the same on ubuntu I'd be happy. But I can't. | 21:51 |
| GAN800 | To each his own. | 21:51 |
| RST38h | Do what? Stick an Ubuntu MacBook where light does not shine? | 21:51 |
| doc|home | RST38h: you don't need to be rude. It achieves nothing. | 21:51 |
| amr | the problem with linux fanboys, is that theyre worse than apple ones | 21:51 |
| doc|home | RST38h: you're completely ignoring what my point was | 21:51 |
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| RST38h | doc: After reading itt, I am somewhere between rude and violent | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | Fanboys and zealots are bad no matter the platform. | 21:52 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, sounds like it's time to take a break and visit with the family. | 21:52 |
| RST38h | GAN: That is the funny part, I *am* with the family, vacationing in Greece | 21:52 |
| doc|home | RST38h: someone mentioned being irrelevant. It's irrelevant to most people (the market) as it stands now that it's open if it's not as nice to use. That's just the reality of it. | 21:53 |
| derf | RST38h: WTF are you doing on IRC, then. | 21:53 |
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| RST38h | GAN: So I am not even taking too much time to read into itt )imagine what would happen if I did) | 21:53 |
| amr | i concur, doc|home | 21:53 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: the idiotic part of the market | 21:53 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: the paying part | 21:53 |
| RST38h | derf: Partaking in global conscience, as always | 21:53 |
| amr | the part with the money | 21:53 |
| amr | damn, too slow | 21:53 |
| mkpaa | for some unknown reason my canola has stopped playing any sounds. sounds on other programs work fine and canola worked when I last used it couple of months ago. any idea what could be wrong? | 21:53 |
| derf | I didn't realize the globe had a conscience. | 21:53 |
| RST38h | derf: Depends on whose globe it is, I guess | 21:54 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: I'm not saying it should be closed. Waaay better if it's not of course. But you can't ignore that they are buying macbooks, iphones, ipod touches. | 21:54 |
| slonopotamus | mkpaa, it hsas its own volume control, no? | 21:54 |
| Luke-Jr | Apple steals the good developers from the open source community? :þ | 21:54 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: I so wanted an open phone I coughed up 400 dollars for an openmoko freerunner. That still doesn't work. | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Gentlemen, could you please just leave Apple alone? | 21:54 |
| glass_ | Luke-Jr: they'll get pissed off with apple in no time | 21:54 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: it's not stealing. it's paying. | 21:54 |
| RST38h | It is a good company producing very well made objects of technology | 21:55 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: bribing? | 21:55 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: what use is open if the device sucks | 21:55 |
| glass_ | RST38h: "designing" objects of technology, based on tech they just buy usually | 21:55 |
| mmu_screen | they just throw a bit too much of DRM and closed stuff | 21:55 |
| mmu_screen | in | 21:55 |
| amr | glass_, it works though | 21:55 |
| jakemaheu | EVERYONE JUST SHUT UP | 21:55 |
| glass_ | amr: yeh, i got an ipod | 21:55 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: no, paying. The world runs on money. Have you never had to compromise something to pay the bills? | 21:55 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 21:55 |
| amr | see :) | 21:55 |
| Luke-Jr | GPL should be law | 21:55 |
| RST38h | glass: ah, a mere technicality, especially considering that they must control those chinese reeeeally tight | 21:55 |
| jakemaheu | Good god, you people are terrible. | 21:55 |
| glass_ | amr: but it has bugs, despite being a 5th gen product | 21:55 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: I really hope you're joking | 21:56 |
| derf | RST38h: I assume one of your family members has now confiscated your Protege. | 21:56 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: only slightly. | 21:56 |
| amr | how old is Luke-Jr? | 21:56 |
| * RST38h uses GPL to wipe up | 21:56 | |
| * doc|home sighs | 21:56 | |
| glass_ | RST38h: umm, i was referring to where they've gotten the bits of 'innovation' | 21:56 |
| RST38h | derf: Nope =) | 21:56 |
| Luke-Jr | amr: 24/m+/3 | 21:56 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: that is pretty close to promoting some form of communism/socialism in software. You must share! | 21:56 |
| RST38h | glass: There is no innovation in Apple product | 21:56 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: GPL doesn't say you must share. | 21:56 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: GPL only says whoever buys it can do what they want with it | 21:56 |
| mmu_screen | gee a GPL troll | 21:56 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: it does if you wish to distribute | 21:56 |
| RST38h | glass: Actually, there isn't innovation in most products that sell well | 21:56 |
| * mmu_screen slurps | 21:57 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | mmu_screen: s/GPL// | 21:57 |
| RST38h | glass: Innovative stuff usually does not sell :) | 21:57 |
| jakemaheu | everyone look at this: http://yfrog.com/0wstuff1lp | 21:57 |
| mmu_screen | I eat them for breakfast ;à | 21:57 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: if I buy something, I should be able to do whatever I want with it | 21:57 |
| jakemaheu | that is my bittorrent folder | 21:57 |
| glass_ | RST38h: uhm, world history is full of stuff that says otherwise. maxim machine gun was innovative and sold pretty well | 21:57 |
| amr | jakemaheu, congratulations, you can bit torrent | 21:57 |
| jakemaheu | that isn't even all of it | 21:57 |
| amr | welcome to the internet | 21:57 |
| jakemaheu | ll | 21:57 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 21:57 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: and the reason you can't is *because* of legislation. | 21:57 |
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| doc|home | Luke-Jr: e,g, dmca | 21:57 |
| Luke-Jr | if I buy a few chairs, I can rebuild them into a bed | 21:57 |
| RST38h | glass: I am sure that long before Maxim there were similar designs that did not sell :) | 21:57 |
| Luke-Jr | and sell that | 21:57 |
| glass_ | RST38h: what i was referring to was the companies that apple has bought in the last 10 years and then blatantly just relabeling stuff as theirs | 21:57 |
| amr | you downloaded the da vinci code, good lord. | 21:57 |
| jakemaheu | that's about 100GB of data | 21:57 |
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| jakemaheu | my grandma wanted it | 21:58 |
| RST38h | glass: Examples? | 21:58 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 21:58 |
| Luke-Jr | if I buy a program, I should be able to use the code in something else, and sell that | 21:58 |
| glass_ | RST38h: no, gatling was different design | 21:58 |
| jakemaheu | i like house too | 21:58 |
| glass_ | RST38h: clickwheel? whole ipod classic os? etc? | 21:58 |
| RST38h | glass: iPod classic had an OS? | 21:58 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: GPL merely aims to restore those same property rights | 21:58 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: not even close | 21:58 |
| glass_ | RST38h: it has downloadable games and shit too | 21:58 |
| RST38h | glass: I mean, it was not that ThreadX-based abomination from Sigmatel? | 21:58 |
| Luke-Jr | yes, it has some negative side effects | 21:58 |
| glass_ | RST38h: well what you call an os.. | 21:59 |
| Luke-Jr | but that is it's goal | 21:59 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: why have rules to negate bad rules. Get rid of the initial rules. | 21:59 |
| amr | its* | 21:59 |
| RST38h | glass: Accidentally, I am well acquainted with the original iPod hardware | 21:59 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: that's why I was slightly joking :þ | 21:59 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: anyway, we've digressed. What I want in a device is seamless integration. :/ | 21:59 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: but even if we abolish copyright altogether, companies will be able to distribute blobs to get most of the same purpose | 21:59 |
| amr | it's conversations like this that make me hope half of you never get into a position where you have a say over how ANYTHING runs | 21:59 |
| RST38h | glass: And as I understand, Apple either wrote their own OS for STMP hardware or they used the stuff from SigmaTel | 21:59 |
| glass_ | RST38h: the stupidest thing i've encountered is when it locks up in sw so that you can't get it to boot, or shutdown.. have to just wait till battery goes | 22:00 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: yes, I often wish I could be hired to write the software for a device | 22:00 |
| RST38h | glass: So I do not see what company they had to buy for that | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | doc|home, don't tell us that itunes is 'seamless' | 22:00 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: just so I have something usable | 22:00 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: I never said perfect :) | 22:00 |
| RST38h | glass: That is common for recent ARM-based designs missing reset button :) | 22:00 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: itunes itself annoys me, but it's there and it mostly works. I sync every day. It updates my music, podcasts, mail accounts, done. No worrying | 22:01 |
| glass_ | RST38h: dunno. my nokias never seem to do that. and the ipod is supposed to have some watchdog for it. it's really annoying when it does that, it even leaves the hd spinning | 22:01 |
| amr | im quite fond of itunes | 22:01 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: doing the same for rhythmbox or songbird or something would be amazing | 22:01 |
| amr | i even use it on my windows pc | 22:01 |
| Luke-Jr | iTunes does mail now? wtf? | 22:01 |
| RST38h | glass: My Nokia requires removing the battery every now and then | 22:01 |
| Luke-Jr | please no. | 22:01 |
| amr | Luke-Jr, it synchronises ipods | 22:01 |
| RST38h | glass: When I am especially cruel to it | 22:01 |
| Luke-Jr | my ipod doesn't do mail | 22:01 |
| * slonopotamus uses rsync. and you know what? it just works :D | 22:01 | |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: no, it just syncs it | 22:01 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: that's 1 direction | 22:01 |
| RST38h | well use two rsyncs | 22:01 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: you think the average moron wants to mess with rsync? :/ | 22:02 |
| Luke-Jr | use git | 22:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, rather annoying, thankfully, dropping the battery out of an n810 is a relaxing rewarding experience | 22:02 |
| Luke-Jr | then you can do merges | 22:02 |
| Luke-Jr | :þ | 22:02 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: I plugged it in first day and it Just Worked | 22:02 |
| Luke-Jr | lcuk: what? it's a pain in the butt | 22:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You should have tried "dropping battery" out of B3-34... | 22:02 |
| lcuk | the "clang of the flimsy shell on the surface is satisfying | 22:02 |
| doc|home | personally, I don't even have time to mess with rsync scripts :/ | 22:02 |
| amr | nor do most people | 22:02 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: git pull && git push | 22:03 |
| lcuk | and havign to rebend any pins knocked out by this procedure just makes it more fun | 22:03 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: how many people even know what git is? :/ | 22:03 |
| slonopotamus | doc|home, okaaay. the problem with me (and luke) is that we want freedom. we want to use things for what we want, not only what its vendor made it for. | 22:03 |
| amr | no one gives a toss what the underlying tecnology is, they want it to do X and do it now | 22:03 |
| mkpaa | canola has own volume control, but it is not the problem | 22:03 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: and how do I do that between evolution and claws mail/the default mail client? | 22:03 |
| RST38h | slono: problem with Luke is that he is an open source zealot | 22:03 |
| amr | ^ | 22:03 |
| Luke-Jr | :þ | 22:04 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: so do I, like I said, I even wanted it so much as to buy an openmoko freerunner. That freerunner is still sitting in it's pouch in front of me because it doesn't work | 22:04 |
| RST38h | slono: I am not aware of any problems with you, but that may simply be my ignorance :) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, freedom isnt the problem here. you can both do that. and by the same tune, we are free to stick with what we got | 22:04 |
| slonopotamus | doc|home, you use same imap server and do not mess with client apps | 22:04 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: yeah, lcuk brings up a good point. Freedom won't prevent these things from existing | 22:04 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: my gitbackup script takes care of one direction :þ | 22:04 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: IMAP requires network | 22:05 |
| doc|home | slonopotamus: already the case | 22:05 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 22:05 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, what's the point in mail app without network? | 22:05 |
| lcuk | nice calendar, contact list | 22:05 |
| lcuk | todo app | 22:05 |
| doc|home | it might be useful if people try a friend's devices and see how well it integrates to get what I mean | 22:05 |
| lcuk | outlook works perfectly without any net | 22:05 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: there's local storage I think on most clients | 22:06 |
| amr | it's quite refreshing to hear lcuk's and doc|home's opinions | 22:06 |
| eichi | i have sometimes the problem, that the screen never goes black, its allways low light...bad for battery | 22:06 |
| doc|home | if we could have the integration *and* the openness my ipod touch would be on craigslist tomorrow :) | 22:07 |
| lcuk | amr, which bits? | 22:07 |
| amr | pretty much the last 20 mins | 22:07 |
| jakemaheu | What is with firefox not releasing memory? | 22:08 |
| slonopotamus | w/e | 22:08 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, ... | 22:08 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: reviewing emails you already received | 22:08 |
| jakemaheu | I'll run it for a while and it'll go slow (taking 350MB of RAM), then I close it | 22:08 |
| jakemaheu | but the process is still running, sucking up memory | 22:08 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, you're from another planet? it always worked that way | 22:08 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: cleaning your mailbox on a plane? | 22:08 |
| jakemaheu | Isn't that broken then? | 22:09 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, killall firefox | 22:09 |
| jakemaheu | Windows XP | 22:09 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 22:09 |
| jakemaheu | taskman | 22:09 |
| jakemaheu | i kill it manually still | 22:09 |
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| jakemaheu | but it's a hassle | 22:09 |
| jakemaheu | it's even worse when I'm browsing /hr/ for high-resolution images and the memory usage shoots up | 22:10 |
| jakemaheu | but it never comes back down | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, bme!!! | 22:10 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, btw | 22:11 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, i need help with reversing of libcal crc algorithm. it does it somehow wrong | 22:13 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, data_crc != zlib_crc32(data) | 22:13 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 22:14 |
| * RST38h as an offtopic mentions how he absolutely HATES FireFox 3.x "smart" url bar | 22:14 | |
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| derf | File a bug? | 22:15 |
| RST38h | derf: useless | 22:15 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, wut? | 22:15 |
| RST38h | derf: the bar itself is a bug | 22:15 |
| derf | Well, if you have more cogent feedback than that, I can talk to the developers. | 22:15 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, i thought you have reversing skills :) | 22:15 |
| RST38h | derf: The problem has been discussed ad nauseum | 22:15 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: not a 5 minute job | 22:16 |
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| jakemaheu | I like the smart bar... | 22:16 |
| RST38h | derf: Basicallym when I start typing the url in, I expect the bar to immediately autocomplete it for me or at worst not do anything | 22:16 |
| RST38h | derf: As it is though, the bar PAUSES for 2-3 seconds, then gives me a wonderful, detailed list of matches, of which I only need the top one anyway | 22:17 |
| RST38h | derf: I do not give a shit about its cute list. I just want it to work, immediately. | 22:17 |
| jakemaheu | Then be a real man and memorize the url. | 22:18 |
| jakemaheu | Wait, a few seconds? | 22:18 |
| lcuk | amr, ive had these impressions for a long time | 22:18 |
| derf | Sounds like your complaint could be solved with some simple performance optimization. | 22:18 |
| slonopotamus | jakemaheu, it doesn't prevent it from slowing down | 22:18 |
| RST38h | derf: The problem has been present since 3.0 and it is 3.5 now | 22:18 |
| jakemaheu | It never takes that long for me-- and my computer is old. | 22:18 |
| RST38h | derf: I also played with settings but could not "optimize" this feature away | 22:18 |
| lcuk | just nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure. | 22:19 |
| RST38h | derf: My guess is that it os doing some sqlite queries or whatever | 22:19 |
| derf | I wouldn't doubt it. | 22:19 |
| derf | "But databases are fast, aren't they?" | 22:20 |
| RST38h | I also suspect that it happens because I have not cleared history for months | 22:20 |
| slonopotamus | they should just make it asynchronous, i think | 22:20 |
| slonopotamus | derf, if used properly | 22:20 |
| RST38h | they apparently have | 22:20 |
| lcuk | derf bah | 22:20 |
| RST38h | just not asynchronous enough I guess | 22:20 |
| lcuk | ive all but dropped sqlite right now after a move | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: My FF 3.5 history dated 6 months back and using the bar would make FF shitslow | 22:21 |
| RST38h | qwerty: exactly | 22:21 |
| lcuk | that took saving an image from practically instant to something i could literally twiddle thumbs waiting on | 22:21 |
| lcuk | sketch ^ | 22:21 |
| derf | lcuk: That was me doing my best to impersonate a clueless developer. | 22:21 |
| lcuk | heh, you should always mention microsoft access when discussing real databases | 22:22 |
| lcuk | ;) | 22:22 |
| derf | lcuk: I've already had that conversation once today. | 22:22 |
| RST38h | Real DB programmers always refer to DBASE III as the benchmark | 22:22 |
| lcuk | sqlite is the closest thing to sqlite tho | 22:22 |
| lcuk | msaccess | 22:22 |
| slonopotamus | rdhi, rdlo and rm must all be different | 22:23 |
| derf | It went something like this. "So my client asked me if I could use Access. I told her, 'No. I can't.'" | 22:23 |
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| RST38h | derf: It was a wrong answer of course | 22:24 |
| RST38h | derf: The right answer is "I can, but it will cost you extra 50% hourly rate" | 22:24 |
| slonopotamus | better explain me what does libtool do :) | 22:24 |
| derf | RST38h: I'm not sure that's worth it. | 22:24 |
| RST38h | slono: satisfies somebody's itch to write tools | 22:25 |
| derf | _I_ wouldn't do it for an extra 50%. | 22:25 |
| RST38h | derf: "Bablo pobezhdaet zlo", if you still remember the language | 22:25 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, but why so many packages use it? | 22:25 |
| * lcuk burnt libtool in fire | 22:25 | |
| slonopotamus | :D | 22:25 |
| RST38h | slono: Because their authors think it is required | 22:26 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk, RST38h, it must be doing smth useful for them, no? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | well, sometimes | 22:26 |
| lcuk | didnt do anything useful for my library | 22:26 |
| lcuk | infact, the whole autotools process made it hairy | 22:26 |
| slonopotamus | but what? | 22:26 |
| slonopotamus | libtool: install: warning: remember to run `libtool --finish /usr/lib' | 22:26 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 22:27 |
| slonopotamus | i haven't seen a single thing running libtool --finish :D | 22:27 |
| derf | RST38h: Remember? | 22:27 |
| derf | I don't recall ever knowing Russian. | 22:27 |
| RST38h | derf: I vaguely remember that you lived in .Ru for some time | 22:27 |
| RST38h | derf: Although it may have been the other guy | 22:27 |
| derf | You may be thinking of someone else. | 22:27 |
| RST38h | derf: But anyway, in translation it will be "Money defeats the evil" =) | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | yeah, but you have to swing the bag of it really hard and contact with evil's head | 22:29 |
| RST38h | Hmm.. Speaking of money, Mr Arshad wants some, says he has won EU lottery | 22:29 |
| lcuk | :D does he require your assistance? | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Of course | 22:30 |
| derf | 14:56:54 < gmaxwell> oh shit. The chinese have discovered the '419' scam. | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Ehehe | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Eve Online just kicked them out, gotta find another source of online income | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Ok, sleep time | 22:30 |
| lcuk | you heard about everyone who went mental on facebook this week having a getout clause - hackers from the chans | 22:30 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: what? | 22:31 |
| lcuk | errr, thats not parsing correctly, everyone who went nuts on facebook this week and posted random stuff they shouldnt have done | 22:31 |
| lcuk | have a get out clause and can just blame 4chan hackers | 22:31 |
| derf | jakemaheu: It's looks like English, but that is deceptive. | 22:32 |
| derf | *It | 22:32 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 22:32 |
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| jakemaheu | that's gotta be the worst excuse I've ever heard | 22:32 |
| jakemaheu | that's something Fox News would say | 22:33 |
| jakemaheu | or, Faux News, if you will | 22:33 |
| lcuk | yeah, and now since it started spreading people are playing up deliberately | 22:33 |
| jakemaheu | oh god | 22:33 |
| jakemaheu | RULES 1 + 2 | 22:33 |
| lcuk | cos they can blame the hackers | 22:33 |
| lcuk | some networks are like tourettes channels | 22:33 |
| jakemaheu | or else this will happen: http://xkcd.com/591/ | 22:33 |
| derf | Yay internets. You will never cease to be a bastion of amusement. | 22:33 |
| lcuk | i hope i dont need that excuse. | 22:34 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I just recieved that same e-mail =) | 22:40 |
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| Macer | damn | 22:45 |
| Macer | vo_ivtv.c: In function 'ivtv_reset': | 22:46 |
| Macer | vo_ivtv.c:79: error: storage size of 'sd' isn't known | 22:46 |
| Macer | vo_ivtv.c:80: error: storage size of 'sd1' isn't known | 22:46 |
| Macer | vo_ivtv.c:84: error: 'IVTV_STOP_FL_HIDE_FRAME' undeclared (first use in this function) | 22:46 |
| Macer | ok. that was way more than i meant to paste | 22:46 |
| Macer | bbl | 22:46 |
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| slonopotamus | omg | 23:16 |
| slonopotamus | i set up qemu choot | 23:16 |
| slonopotamus | i can run arm binaries on x86_64! :D | 23:16 |
| woglinde | nothing special | 23:17 |
| slonopotamus | woglinde, haven't done it before | 23:17 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:26 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, hi | 23:29 |
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| slonopotamus | johnsq, i built qemu, btw. arm-linux-user target has no problems, arm-mmu doesn't build statically | 23:30 |
| zap | for those who read russian: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900.shtml | 23:30 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: for what do you need the arm-mmu? | 23:30 |
| wazd | zap: wow! RX-51 review! | 23:30 |
| zerojayPC | zap: There's an english one.. and we all read it already. | 23:30 |
| wazd | zap: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30885 :D | 23:31 |
| slonopotamus | johnsq, dunno. i just built everything with 'arm' 'cause i wasn't sure what exactly i need | 23:31 |
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| johnsq | slonopotamus: the qemu-arm is all needed to compile and test | 23:33 |
| Luke-Jr | uh no | 23:35 |
| Luke-Jr | qemu-arm per default will segfault on N8x0 bins | 23:35 |
| Luke-Jr | gotta write a C wrapper to add a -cpu option | 23:35 |
| slonopotamus | i have sh wrapper :) | 23:35 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: yea, right, i wrote a shell script wrapper with bash sh | 23:35 |
| johnsq | -b | 23:36 |
| Proteous | I just wrote a small shell script that replaces johnsq | 23:37 |
| Proteous | infact, it's actualy better | 23:37 |
| johnsq | latest pixman didn't compile, it says i should enable arm-neon! what is arm-neon? | 23:37 |
| Proteous | johnsq script knows that shit | 23:37 |
| Proteous | see, directly better | 23:38 |
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| Luke-Jr | … | 23:38 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: johnsq: you can't really do that, n00bs | 23:38 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, ... | 23:38 |
| Luke-Jr | sh is an ARM bin duh | 23:38 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 23:38 |
| slonopotamus | just read johnsq webpage | 23:39 |
| Luke-Jr | no u | 23:39 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: no static shell 686 | 23:39 |
| Luke-Jr | johnsq: that's cheating | 23:39 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, you fail | 23:39 |
| Luke-Jr | no u | 23:39 |
| johnsq | Luke-Jr: i just wanted to get it running, c and execl was something to much to code. | 23:40 |
| Luke-Jr | pfft | 23:40 |
| Luke-Jr | it's 14 lines | 23:41 |
| Luke-Jr | srsly | 23:41 |
| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, you wouldn't fail if you published howto with your wrapper :) but you didn't, and johnsq did | 23:41 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: no u | 23:42 |
| Luke-Jr | I gave you my wrapper ages ago | 23:42 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 23:42 |
| Luke-Jr | http://pastebin.ca/1539382 | 23:43 |
| slonopotamus | any? | 23:44 |
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