| VDVsx | X-Fade, sorry for the spam, bad habit introduced by others :( | 00:00 |
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| mikkov_ | mikkov: I have a package, but I can't upload it | 00:00 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade | 00:00 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: previous upload seems to be in queue, so no need to upload again, it seems | 00:03 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yes, Ed copied them back in the queue. | 00:10 |
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| AStorm | I wonder if nokia will include better earphones and iPhone-compatible 4-pole jack | 00:12 |
| AStorm | even those iRivier-class Cresyns are many leagues better than what nokia gave | 00:12 |
| javispedro | ah, people.... | 00:13 |
| AStorm | I suspect they could arrange something | 00:13 |
| javispedro | "MAriokart psp 28-30 fps all the time at frameskip 1" and he's impressed, like if he was not forcing the emu to make it or die trying. | 00:13 |
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| AStorm | frameskip 1 is 15 fps, duh | 00:13 |
| javispedro | it's 30 on the emu they're using. | 00:13 |
| AStorm | lol | 00:14 |
| AStorm | that's no skip | 00:14 |
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| javispedro | it is, the ntsc snes is 60fps. | 00:14 |
| AStorm | ah, right | 00:14 |
| AStorm | so it's nice | 00:14 |
| AStorm | on LCD, there will be no diff anyway | 00:14 |
| javispedro | so it's doing exactly as it told the emu to do, and is using that as some kind of benchmark. | 00:14 |
| johnsq | modern consoles have problems doing such frame rates. | 00:14 |
| javispedro | it's no really comparable. | 00:15 |
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| javispedro | on the emu side, the blanking interrupt occurs 1/60, end of story. | 00:15 |
| javispedro | that does not mean the game updates the screen each frame | 00:15 |
| AStorm | but many other things are tied to vsync | 00:16 |
| johnsq | javispedro: I know the problems, I have written an emulator long ago. | 00:16 |
| AStorm | :) | 00:16 |
| AStorm | so framedrop cuts load on the video emu | 00:16 |
| AStorm | pity even modern cpus can't run that dosbox with hq3x | 00:17 |
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| AStorm | those interpolators that look... epic | 00:18 |
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| javispedro | but i meant that I don't know if all snes games update the screen at 60fps | 00:18 |
| javispedro | much like modern games. | 00:18 |
| AStorm | even if they don't, the emu has to check the framebuffer | 00:18 |
| johnsq | javispedro: normal scrolling is done by hardware with full rate | 00:18 |
| AStorm | scale and push it to the screen | 00:18 |
| AStorm | yeah, that can be simply halved too | 00:19 |
| javispedro | johnsq, true. | 00:19 |
| javispedro | i'm trying to understand why I get exactly the same performance than on the gp2x, even though the n8x0 has a bit better proc. | 00:20 |
| AStorm | a bit better than what? | 00:20 |
| AStorm | than n800? it does not. | 00:20 |
| AStorm | *it has not | 00:21 |
| javispedro | the n8x0 has a better proc than the gp2x. | 00:21 |
| javispedro | the gp2x being arm9 (don't remember the freqs right now) | 00:21 |
| AStorm | that's just insn set | 00:21 |
| AStorm | not necessarily performance | 00:21 |
| johnsq | javispedro: you are using x11? | 00:21 |
| AStorm | you have to use Xv | 00:22 |
| javispedro | johnsq, yep, but Xomap is taking only <10% toll. | 00:22 |
| AStorm | I wonder though, why so few apps use Xv as output | 00:22 |
| AStorm | not even SDL has such an option | 00:22 |
| lcuk | because its YUV | 00:23 |
| AStorm | (for sw rendering) | 00:23 |
| lcuk | and a brainfuck | 00:23 |
| johnsq | javispedro: you can try to use the framebuffer direct. | 00:23 |
| AStorm | ah, right | 00:23 |
| AStorm | forgot about the BF aspects | 00:23 |
| lcuk | well, i think theres an rgb mode coming/in last update | 00:23 |
| lcuk | framebuffer direct causes its own issues | 00:23 |
| AStorm | lcuk, since you're so nice, could you write an SDL driver? | 00:23 |
| AStorm | then everyone would profit | 00:23 |
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| javispedro | SDL can already use XV | 00:24 |
| javispedro | if I output YUV | 00:24 |
| javispedro | just like lcuk said ;) | 00:24 |
| AStorm | it *can*? | 00:24 |
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| javispedro | that's what I am reading, never tested tho. | 00:24 |
| AStorm | hmmh | 00:24 |
| AStorm | lcuk, I get the feeling you've wasted a lot of time coding liqbase :P | 00:25 |
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| lcuk | :) | 00:25 |
| * lcuk started at SDL | 00:25 | |
| javispedro | google SDL_CreateYUVOverlay xv | 00:25 |
| lcuk | creating an overlay and having all the rendering functions from sdl work on it are two very different and large differences | 00:25 |
| javispedro | SDL has rendering functions ? ;) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | blit.. | 00:26 |
| javispedro | only that I believe (unless you pull sdl_gfx) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | but, thats an intruiging proposition, because if i can use an sdl surface from SDL, it opens up the possiblity of a windows port :) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | you also have to load the media and convert to yuv | 00:27 |
| AStorm | yeah | 00:27 |
| javispedro | don't get too excited, maybe the maemo sdl is borked/too old/slow :P | 00:27 |
| lcuk | i have what i need in xv | 00:27 |
| lcuk | im not excited | 00:27 |
| AStorm | lcuk, there are functions to do so there | 00:27 |
| AStorm | and you can even plug in hardware conversion routines | 00:27 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:27 |
| VDVsx | wow, another brand with a in-house Linux, o_0 | 00:28 |
| AStorm | actually, sdl-image will autoconvert to surface format | 00:28 |
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| AStorm | javispedro, not unfixable, at least | 00:29 |
| AStorm | ffs, someone should write cairo sdl backend | 00:29 |
| lcuk | why? | 00:29 |
| AStorm | so that we can run gtk on framebuffer | 00:29 |
| AStorm | :P | 00:29 |
| javispedro | ah, you mean a _cairo_ backend, not a sdl backend :P | 00:30 |
| lcuk | you can anyway | 00:30 |
| lcuk | directfb | 00:30 |
| javispedro | i understood the other way firstly ;) | 00:30 |
| lcuk | runs gtk | 00:30 |
| AStorm | gtk directfb port is... ugh | 00:30 |
| lcuk | the best you are gonna get :) | 00:30 |
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| * javispedro will just make a build without the SDL_UpdateRect call to confirm X11 is not the biggest bottleneck now. | 00:30 | |
| AStorm | and also, sdl port would allow (ab)use of opengl accel | 00:31 |
| AStorm | better than the old glitz | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | is there a linux filesystem snooper that i can turn on, store list of all opened files whilst running, then when i disable it, dump that list somewhere | 00:31 |
| AStorm | yes | 00:32 |
| AStorm | inotify-watch or tripwire | 00:32 |
| javispedro | or plain strace -e open? | 00:32 |
| lcuk | ok, ill reask :P (thanks) | 00:32 |
| AStorm | actually, inotify will be better | 00:32 |
| johnsq | lcuk: I use strace | 00:32 |
| lcuk | is there a maemo filesystem snooper that i can turn on, store list of all opened files whilst running, then when i disable it, dump that list somewhere | 00:32 |
| javispedro | inotify is on maemo, btw. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | yeah :) i use it for somethings | 00:32 |
| javispedro | a few days ago I played with it, the file manager makes extensive use of it. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | i'd forgotten that | 00:32 |
| lcuk | but i have to tell it a folder dont i | 00:32 |
| AStorm | yes, it is. | 00:32 |
| AStorm | and it works | 00:32 |
| AStorm | yeah, / | 00:33 |
| javispedro | but you want open files, even if they're just opened for readonly, never written | 00:33 |
| javispedro | don't you ? :P | 00:33 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:33 |
| lcuk | and i want it from everywhere | 00:33 |
| AStorm | hurray for VFS | 00:33 |
| lcuk | not just a specific folder | 00:33 |
| lcuk | mind you, i could .. | 00:33 |
| AStorm | so you watch / | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | ohhh, it does subfolders too | 00:34 |
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| javispedro | but inotify fires events for opened files? | 00:35 |
| javispedro | or just modified? | 00:35 |
| * javispedro shuts the mouth. (IN_OPEN and IN_CLOSE ) | 00:35 | |
| lcuk | http://mediatomb.cc/doxygen/inotify-nosys_8h.html | 00:36 |
| lcuk | now, to write something that uses those and tracks them | 00:37 |
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| * javispedro remembers he can't see the framerate if he disables video output :P | 00:39 | |
| AStorm | javispedro, both | 00:40 |
| AStorm | it depends what you request | 00:40 |
| javispedro | yep, yep, already rtfm'd :P | 00:40 |
| AStorm | ah. | 00:40 |
| AStorm | lcuk, there's a command line app with a text output | 00:41 |
| AStorm | what was it called... | 00:41 |
| AStorm | just dumps the events in text format | 00:41 |
| AStorm | if you're lazy and know python, python-inotify is available (in almost recent version) on the tablet | 00:42 |
| AStorm | it's like 8 lines to use it | 00:42 |
| AStorm | and just dump the events to text | 00:42 |
| AStorm | (this older version doesn't have loop method, so you use the *_events ones) | 00:44 |
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| lbt | .log now have SmartQ Firmware extractor (in a few lines of perl) | 00:45 |
| javispedro | the SDL_UpdateRect call costs 1fps in average. | 00:45 |
| lbt | oops | 00:45 |
| AStorm | compared to what? | 00:47 |
| AStorm | pure Xv? | 00:47 |
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| javispedro | no SDL_UpdateRect. | 00:47 |
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| AStorm | heh, no updaterect = no drawing | 00:47 |
| javispedro | thus no XPutImage, thus no copying of the framebuffer. | 00:48 |
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| javispedro | *to the framebuffer. | 00:48 |
| johnsq | javispedro: you shouldn't need to do updateRect, you should use shared memory | 00:48 |
| AStorm | X11 is slow, yes | 00:48 |
| johnsq | AStorm: X11 isn't slow, its the developers | 00:48 |
| AStorm | yeah, actually, omapfb devs | 00:49 |
| javispedro | but Xomap isn't the root cause of all slowness in the world. | 00:49 |
| AStorm | friggin implement exa | 00:49 |
| AStorm | with softupdates | 00:49 |
| javispedro | 1fps is hardly noticeable. | 00:49 |
| AStorm | it is if it's 25 fps vs 24 fps | 00:50 |
| lcuk | no, thats not the breakpoint surely | 00:50 |
| johnsq | javispedro: have you disabled sound? | 00:50 |
| AStorm | 15 vs 14 is even more visible | 00:50 |
| lcuk | its when you are really struggling for frames | 00:50 |
| lcuk | ive noticed users can happily live with 20fps | 00:51 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:51 |
| javispedro | johnsq, yep, I did both "benchmarks" (they aren't) without | 00:51 |
| lbt | does inotify work for files in /sys ? | 00:51 |
| lcuk | Inotify monitoring of directories is not recursive: to monitor subdirectories under a directory, additional watches must be created. | 00:52 |
| lcuk | bah | 00:52 |
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| AStorm | lbt, yes | 00:52 |
| AStorm | lcuk, *but* there's a way to do it | 00:53 |
| lcuk | lbt, could be dangerous | 00:53 |
| lcuk | but also nice way to watch for cpu changes :O | 00:53 |
| AStorm | you make a walk to set the watches | 00:53 |
| AStorm | then grab the new dirs too | 00:53 |
| lcuk | but that becomes a new watch and doesnt that need its own select()/thread prcessing | 00:54 |
| AStorm | no. | 00:54 |
| AStorm | there's one select, since there's only one inotify file | 00:55 |
| AStorm | as opposed to dnotify, which required more selects/threads | 00:55 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | ive solved it an alternative way :) | 00:59 |
| lcuk | just remove the files i want to see are used and grep the error log :) | 00:59 |
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| AStorm | harhar | 00:59 |
| AStorm | evil way | 00:59 |
| javispedro | oh, just confirming SDL _should_ use XShm if avail. | 01:01 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/libsdl1.2-1.2.8/src/video/x11/SDL_x11image.c#53 | 01:01 |
| javispedro | always wanted to check | 01:02 |
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| Macer | anybody around? | 05:19 |
| Macer | .considering i spend a lot of time in the terminal this was unsat. | 05:21 |
| Macer | wow. "unsat" haha | 05:21 |
| Macer | that was the first time i ever saw that outside the military :) | 05:21 |
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| Macer | i can't seem to get xmodmap to work correctly with the Fn key :( | 05:27 |
| Macer | the only thing working is = | 05:30 |
| Macer | :) | 05:30 |
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| Macer | can someone here please help me with xmodmap on an n810? | 05:45 |
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| Macer | i am trying to use the deblet xmodmap file to get it working | 05:45 |
| Macer | and so far all i get is / for Fn ? | 05:45 |
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| Macer | and no sound | 05:59 |
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| Macer | heh | 06:01 |
| Macer | get a new one | 06:01 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 06:02 |
| Macer | lol!!@#! | 06:02 |
| Macer | did you preorder it a year ago? | 06:02 |
| b-man16 | no :P - but there are still some avalable for order | 06:03 |
| Macer | lies | 06:04 |
| Macer | well. touch books actually started to find their way into people's hands | 06:04 |
| Macer | so anything is possible | 06:05 |
| * b-man16 wonders why PAndoras arn't mass-production devices.... | 06:05 | |
| Macer | they aren't? | 06:06 |
| Macer | :) | 06:06 |
| Macer | i thought they were supposed to be an actual device | 06:06 |
| Macer | but they never came out a year ago | 06:06 |
| Macer | when they were supposed to | 06:06 |
| b-man16 | theay release only 4000 of them per year | 06:07 |
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| Macer | wow really? | 06:07 |
| b-man16 | it's kinda crazy :P | 06:07 |
| b-man16 | yup | 06:07 |
| Macer | i didn't know there were any out there | 06:08 |
| Macer | heh | 06:08 |
| Macer | maybe they just don't like china :) | 06:08 |
| b-man16 | xD | 06:08 |
| Macer | and solder them together themselves in the garage? | 06:08 |
| Macer | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "media-video/mplayer" have been masked. | 06:08 |
| Macer | wtf | 06:08 |
| Macer | i don't know what is blocking this | 06:08 |
| b-man16 | theay hire private companys to manufacture their devices | 06:08 |
| b-man16 | (in the UK) xD | 06:09 |
| Macer | yeah. most do | 06:09 |
| Macer | like touch book is made by some company in CA | 06:09 |
| Macer | where they mass produce it | 06:10 |
| Macer | well. most small businesses do i suppose :) | 06:10 |
| b-man16 | indeed :) | 06:10 |
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| b-man16 | Macer: playing with Gentoo on your tablet? :) | 06:14 |
| Macer | yeah | 06:16 |
| Macer | trying to get the damn kb to work in X | 06:16 |
| b-man16 | ah | 06:16 |
| * b-man16 tryed using Gentoo on his tablet, but could never net it to work properly :( | 06:17 | |
| b-man16 | *get | 06:17 |
| b-man16 | the furthest i got with it was console xD | 06:18 |
| b-man16 | wich was useless because i had no hw kb | 06:19 |
| Macer | heh | 06:20 |
| Macer | well. you can chroot in maemo and get X set up | 06:20 |
| Macer | on an n800 | 06:20 |
| Macer | i suppose? :) | 06:20 |
| b-man16 | i've tryed, and it's a verry slow process | 06:21 |
| * b-man16 had to use 356mb of swap to get portage to be usable from maemo xD | 06:21 | |
| Macer | heh | 06:22 |
| Macer | they kb is fucking with my emotions | 06:22 |
| Macer | it works but no Fn key to get the symbols/numbers | 06:23 |
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| Macer | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! | 06:23 |
| Macer | :) | 06:23 |
| b-man16 | xD | 06:24 |
| Macer | i don't know how the mer guys did it | 06:24 |
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| b-man16 | the alll around system setup in gentoo is slightly diffrent from a debain-based system i believe | 06:26 |
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| b-man16 | c ya later ;) | 06:27 |
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| Macer | ok. seroiusly. where is everybody when you need them? :) | 06:33 |
| Macer | i guess i will work more on it tomorow | 06:33 |
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| Luke-Jr | Macer: Maemo did it with a hack to X.org's core | 07:18 |
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| Luke-Jr | Macer: basically, the problem is simple: | 07:19 |
| Luke-Jr | the Fn key is key code 634 or something | 07:19 |
| Luke-Jr | X11 uses a byte to xmit keypresses | 07:19 |
| Luke-Jr | a byte can only store 0-255 | 07:20 |
| Luke-Jr | Fn is out of this range | 07:20 |
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| mecaveats | Hello! | 08:50 |
| mecaveats | Does maemo emulator support bluetooth? | 08:50 |
| johnx | pretty sure that would be a no | 08:51 |
| mecaveats | Hmm...Is it a good project to do as a university project? | 08:51 |
| johnx | getting bluetooth working inside the emulator? | 08:52 |
| mecaveats | Yup | 08:52 |
| mecaveats | Also allowing bluetooth networking between two instances of emulator? | 08:52 |
| johnx | uhm...you should probably try and talk to Nokia about that one | 08:52 |
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| mecaveats | I want to contribute to community :-) | 08:53 |
| johnx | first you need to look a bit more closely at exactly how the "emulator" works. it's not exactly a full "system" emulator in the strictest sense | 08:55 |
| johnx | you're talking about the fremantle beta SDK I assume? | 08:56 |
| mecaveats | ya | 08:58 |
| mecaveats | ok, I will look at it. | 08:58 |
| Luke-Jr | qemu? | 08:58 |
| mecaveats | maemo emulator uses Qemu na? | 09:00 |
| Luke-Jr | well, johnx said not a real emu, so I thought maybe a chroot+Xnest | 09:00 |
| Luke-Jr | anyhow, it'd be a N8x0 emulator, not a Maemo emulator :þ | 09:01 |
| mecaveats | So does it support bluetooth? | 09:01 |
| Luke-Jr | dunno, sorry | 09:01 |
| tigert | scratchbox? | 09:03 |
| Luke-Jr | mecaveats: honestly, I think even better would be an open source firmware for the Bluetooth ;) | 09:03 |
| tigert | it is not really a "device emulator" | 09:04 |
| Luke-Jr | but that might go along with an emulator | 09:04 |
| Luke-Jr | tigert: qemu is | 09:04 |
| tigert | it lets you run arm binaries with qemu | 09:04 |
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| tigert | qemu is, yeah, at least sbox stuff doesnt let you use bluetooth and such because those are in your host system | 09:04 |
| tigert | I guess it might be possible to make it work somehow, but the benefits of debugging are kinda interesting if you are not sure if the problem is in your application code or in the emulator layer :) | 09:05 |
| mecaveats | Actually, I want to emulate a "non-existing" Bluetooth. | 09:05 |
| johnx | mecaveats, there's two ways to use qemu, as a full "system" emulator where it runs a linux kernel on up and a "user mode" emulator where it translates binaries so you can chroot into a distro for a foreign arch | 09:05 |
| tigert | when you try to debug something | 09:05 |
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| lbt | mecaveats: to emulate bluetooth wouldn't you need to provide something like a kernel driver as used in VMs for virtual ethernet drivers? | 09:11 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 09:12 |
| mebored | Exactly. But I also need to emulate the lower two layers. | 09:12 |
| mebored | The baseband and the radio layer. | 09:12 |
| mebored | And the stack will sit on top of them. | 09:12 |
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| lbt | I think you'd get more meaningful detail at #bluez (or whatever or mailing list) | 09:14 |
| lbt | it sounds like a very significant project... | 09:14 |
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| Luke-Jr | um | 09:17 |
| Luke-Jr | looking at qemu src, I think Bluetooth is already being emulated to some degree | 09:17 |
| johnx | but it depends on whether you're using qemu "the system emulator" or qemu "the user mode emulator" | 09:18 |
| Luke-Jr | obviously | 09:18 |
| mebored | Johnx, I agree. | 09:18 |
| mebored | But it looks more like only pass through is supported. | 09:18 |
| johnx | and scratchbox/maemoSDK is the latter | 09:18 |
| mebored | So unless you have the hardware. | 09:18 |
| mebored | You cant really use bluetooth. | 09:18 |
| mebored | It is basically a bridge to the hardware on host machine. | 09:19 |
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| slonopotamus_ | weird. trying to write() to mtd, but get hangs and (wd?) reboot in several seconds. any ideas how to figure out what's going on? | 09:21 |
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| tigert | hmm | 09:49 |
| tigert | this "iriverter" converter is kinda nice | 09:49 |
| tigert | lets see how the video it spits out looks like | 09:49 |
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| pupnik_ | heh heh heh. You Nokia guys are so excited about rx-51 you been talkin ... | 10:31 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml review, market analysis | 10:31 |
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| pupnik_ | hmm 'attitude' looks interesting | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | old? :P | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | and attitude is jaffa's app | 10:34 |
| pupnik_ | ahh. :) see! there you go! | 10:34 |
| pupnik_ | nice 'share' feature on image viewer | 10:35 |
| pupnik_ | i wonder if gpu accelerates blurring of background or does it dynamically. gotta wait a bit for video i guess. | 10:36 |
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| pupnik_ | whoever does these freemantle icons deserves a pat on the back. | 10:38 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:45 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik_: Yeah, Attitude is a false horizon/spirit level using the accelerometers. | 10:45 |
| johnx | mmm, spirits | 10:46 |
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| tigert | Jaffa: url? | 10:46 |
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| pupnik_ | just absorbing the look and feel ... | 10:47 |
| Jaffa | tigert: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30493 and http://maemo.org/packages/view/attitude/ | 10:50 |
| pupnik_ | it's a great idea to reduce color saturation in backgrounds and borders, leave | 10:50 |
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| pupnik_ | it for the active elements | 10:50 |
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| pupnik_ | i'm betting rx-51 brings-on a lot more developers | 10:55 |
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| tigert | hmm | 10:58 |
| tigert | why is there no easy way to add repositories btw? | 10:59 |
| tigert | I found this page that listed all packages in fremantle extras | 10:59 |
| tigert | but there was no .install link..?! | 10:59 |
| tigert | hmm | 10:59 |
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| pupnik_ | might be related to ovi efforts | 11:07 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: AIUI, Fremantle is supposed to have extras "just enabable" in HAM; and http://maemo.org/packages/ is still under development by X-Fade, and having a .install for extras and extras-testing is probably on the todo list. | 11:08 |
| tigert | Jaffa: ah right | 11:09 |
| tigert | so its still in progress, good | 11:09 |
| RST38h | moo all | 11:10 |
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| pupnik_ | RST38h: drnoksnes sound fixed - just switch output from esd to alsa :) | 11:11 |
| RST38h | so, how are rx-71 and rx-56 doing?=) | 11:11 |
| RST38h | pupnik: hmmm, maybe i should do it in my emulators too... | 11:12 |
| johnx | well, they're all beaten to market by the touchbook :> | 11:12 |
| tigert | Jaffa: http://www.blueangelaviation.com/Garmin G600 front view.jpg | 11:12 |
| RST38h | johnx: not until macer gets his :) | 11:13 |
| tigert | Jaffa: if you run into excess of free time ;) | 11:13 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: Wow | 11:15 |
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| Macer | Luke-Jr: can you put the patch on your repo? | 11:25 |
| Macer | or is this something that i can easily do? | 11:25 |
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| Macer | blah | 11:28 |
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| Macer | ok | 11:37 |
| Macer | how did you guys get the fn key working in mer? :) | 11:37 |
| Macer | for X | 11:37 |
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| Macer | dearlordsomeonehelp | 11:37 |
| Macer | :) | 11:37 |
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| Jaffa | Macer: Ask on #mer? | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | Macer: I think it's either a kernel or an X patch. | 11:38 |
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| Macer | i am pretty sure it's an X patch | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | wb timeless_mbp | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i need help :) | 11:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to write up my maemo summit presentation | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 11:52 |
| * Stskeeps curses the fact he has two presentations at summit somewhat | 11:53 | |
| t_s_o | sheesh, why oh why do app manager only report the download size of things available for install?! it makes it near impossible to tell if one actually have the space needed to install it... | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | need to write two presentations and excel in both | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i link to a user profile from the wiki? | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | full link i guess, i usually use [url descriptive text] | 11:55 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 12:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | can someone please help me use wiki.maemo.org? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | what do you need? | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | help with basic wiki markup, but i think i got it | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | ok... right, i need a summary | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | summary? | 12:13 |
| lbt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet | 12:13 |
| lbt | timeless_mbp: when you're editing, just under the edit box by 'Show Changes' is 'Editing Help' it's got that link in... I refer to it a fair bit | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: for my presentation | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: thanks | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i've posted my thingy :) | 12:26 |
| ryoohki | maemo talk says "database error" for thism url http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313135&postcount=1081 | 12:26 |
| ryoohki | never mond | 12:26 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, about your submission: friday is the Nokia day of the summit, you should talk with Peter if you want your talk on that day, we (content committee) are only responsible for the community days of the summit(saturday and sunday) :) | 12:26 |
| ryoohki | never mind | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: yeah, i need to find peter | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | which is hard | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | peter/qgil have schedules that are entirely incompatible w/ my own | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been trying to catch quim for about 2 weeks now | 12:27 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, chase him :P | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | he's in meetings | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | or not physically on site | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm exhausted | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | chasing people is hard work | 12:28 |
| VDVsx | he usually reply fast to mail :) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: talk sounds interesting :) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | good, now i just have to write it monday and present it tuesday or so | 12:29 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, np anyway, there's some slots on Sunday | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | (i'm going to need to get approval for pretty much the entire talk) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: there are about 2 slots | 12:29 |
| VDVsx | some slots in the plataform dev track will be probably filled with App dev talks, due to the lack of Plataform dev submissions, let's ee | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | that's really the problem of long tail of contributions projects.. limited amount of people has enough knowledge to do a talk about their whole area they contribute to | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the structure is really a mess | 12:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | sticking me into app dev feels wrong | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | but sticking me into plat is also wrong | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | brb lunch | 12:34 |
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| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, fixed the MicroB link in your submission :) | 12:38 |
| timeless_mbp | thanks | 12:38 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx, how is the submissions queue proceding :) ? | 12:50 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, stopped :(, some still on holidays | 12:51 |
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| javispedro | morning | 13:00 |
| javispedro | pupnik_, the sound issue is a esd weirdness with non 44100Hz rates | 13:01 |
| javispedro | I just tried setting it to 11025 and it sounded awful, while alsa still sounded nearly perfect. | 13:01 |
| javispedro | either way since 44100 is too costly, alsa is it :) thanks! | 13:02 |
| pupnik_ | ah ty | 13:02 |
| pupnik_ | didn't know that | 13:02 |
| javispedro | also, yesterday I did two idiotic things: say that no SNES games use sampled music (there are a few), AND, compile your build with -Os instead of -O2 | 13:05 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx, it's a pity we don't have a full schedule yet :( maybe this can influence tha fact we have so few registered people and only 1 month and half left? | 13:09 |
| VDVsx | don't think so | 13:09 |
| glass | javispedro: don't the games that use sampled music most have special chips in carts for them? | 13:10 |
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| glass | at least i think that was some reasoning behind why some sf2 versions cost 100e+(converted to euros) | 13:11 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx, well... lot of people will come anyway, but I think that other people want a full and interesting schedule before deciding to come or not... don't you think? | 13:12 |
| javispedro | glass, I don't even know which games those are :) but AFAIK there's no reason for them to use any special extra chip for audio (other than extra ROM). | 13:12 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, Andy80, well, even if we decided everything right now with a 'yes', some spots will remain empty, and we prefer to wait a bit more and have more quality in the schedule | 13:15 |
| VDVsx | and we can't do it now, anyway :( | 13:15 |
| VDVsx | don't worry the schedule will be very good, a lot of good talk will come ;) | 13:16 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx, that's another problem that is worring me a bit :( | 13:16 |
| VDVsx | why ? | 13:17 |
| Andy80 | I mean... we have interesting submissions for now | 13:17 |
| VDVsx | don't want quality talk | 13:17 |
| Andy80 | but we miss more | 13:17 |
| Andy80 | (Ii'm agreeing with you, let me finish :D ) | 13:17 |
| Andy80 | I want both quality and numbers :) | 13:18 |
| VDVsx | people are very busy right now polishing Fremantle, don't have time to submit talks :P | 13:18 |
| Andy80 | the thing that worries me is: why we still have lots of empty spot? why people doesn't send their submissions? | 13:18 |
| VDVsx | by the end of the next week we will only have a few few spots empty :) | 13:19 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx, the end of next week :) ? | 13:20 |
| VDVsx | there's 19 talks right now in the queue :) | 13:21 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx, I don't think people working on Fremantle will go on holidays so early ;) | 13:21 |
| Andy80 | ah okok :) | 13:21 |
| Andy80 | anyway... as far as I know... there are a lot of talks from people working on Fremantle...not going to say which one, but they're a lot :) | 13:22 |
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| tigert | I was planning on doing a hackfest on ui work | 13:28 |
| tigert | but lets see how the company thinks of it | 13:28 |
| tigert | would be fun | 13:28 |
| tigert | (taking ideas and maybe existing apps and working on them to make them fit fremantle style and usability) | 13:29 |
| tigert | plus I could draw an icon for each completed one in the end ;) | 13:29 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: Sounds cool | 13:54 |
| nomis | tigert: where can I apply? :) | 13:55 |
| * florian likes the idea too | 13:57 | |
| tigert | :) | 14:01 |
| tigert | good | 14:01 |
| tigert | lets hope others like it too | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo wazd | 14:07 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: heya | 14:19 |
| wazd | 'lo all :) | 14:19 |
| RST38h | heya all | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: if you want someone to bounce off ideas about ui work hackfest, wazd's the local artist :) | 14:20 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 14:20 |
| tigert | :) | 14:21 |
| tigert | art is not exactly same as user interface design, though those overlap a lot | 14:21 |
| RST38h | tigert: BTW, why S60 icons in Maemo5 UI? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: he does so much more than art though :) (andrew zhilin, you might have seen his work on planet) | 14:22 |
| zerojayPC | kulve: With the right files and gstreamer elements, do you think Media Player can do other kinds of files? | 14:23 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Presumably the internal concept is that they're "Nokia" icons, not "S60" icons :-/ | 14:23 |
| zerojayPC | kulve: I'm thinking about adding .SID support to Media Player this weekend. :) | 14:23 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: tigert: what's the buzz? | 14:24 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: The external perception is that they are trying to simulate S60 with Maemo, clumsily =) | 14:25 |
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| pupnik_ | javispedro: the version i have doesn't generate the .frz.gz savegame info, but it generates .srm Can i load game state with -o using the .srm file? it complains about missing .frz.gz file and starts at beginning | 14:37 |
| javispedro | .srm is SRAM, not whole dump of ram | 14:37 |
| roope | the ui hackfest would be a nice idea. | 14:37 |
| javispedro | it should load it always | 14:37 |
| javispedro | no matter what. | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | oh so i can save in-game | 14:37 |
| javispedro | yep | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | gotcha | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | you got writing working yet? | 14:38 |
| RST38h | .srm is a battery backed ram dump | 14:38 |
| javispedro | it should generate the .frz.gz btw, unless it's crashing instead of exiting, you see some "Freeze: file.frz.gz" in stdout? | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | no | 14:39 |
| pupnik_ | wait | 14:39 |
| pupnik_ | wtf now yes... Unfreeze: roms/Chrono_Trigger.frz.gz ok | 14:39 |
| javispedro | that's loading, so it means the file exists. | 14:39 |
| pupnik_ | it's on a vfat symlinked dir - is that ok? | 14:39 |
| javispedro | Hope so; I use standard zlib gzopen and gzwrite. | 14:40 |
| pupnik_ | ok on exit now i see Freeze: roms/Chrono_Trigger.frz.gz ok | 14:40 |
| javispedro | there you have, the 100KiB-ish write wearing your flash ;) | 14:40 |
| pupnik_ | truly this is the first time a .frz.gz was created | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | after i complained | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | do you has root on my n810? | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | 127549 Aug 21 13:39 Chlono_Tligger.frz.g | 14:41 |
| javispedro | of course, I am already sending all your medical records to press ;) | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I agree :) | 14:41 |
| javispedro | well, that's funny. were you using -o previously? | 14:42 |
| pupnik_ | i was not | 14:43 |
| pupnik_ | so the writing only happens with -o? | 14:43 |
| javispedro | ah, it only saves when -o is passed. | 14:43 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 14:43 |
| pupnik_ | makes sense | 14:43 |
| javispedro | lol | 14:43 |
| javispedro | i was going to say it makes no sense ;) | 14:43 |
| javispedro | but it was a quick job to test future gui functionality | 14:43 |
| pupnik_ | well it combines two things with one flag | 14:43 |
| pupnik_ | which is just fine imo | 14:44 |
| pupnik_ | but maybe bad style | 14:44 |
| javispedro | there are some very bad things in the cmd line parsing right now | 14:44 |
| javispedro | e.g. non .smc roms fail. | 14:45 |
| javispedro | even tho snes9x is fully capable of opening them. | 14:45 |
| javispedro | (so just rename them for the moment) | 14:45 |
| pupnik_ | btw the mode7 in some of these games runs fast enough to be fluid-ish | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Just optimize it in assembly | 14:45 |
| javispedro | i've been reading gp2x forums and seems mario kart is indeed a heavyweight game | 14:45 |
| RST38h | Not that there is any hope for the result... | 14:46 |
| javispedro | RST38h, for now i'm just rewriting the C so that it uses less variables | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | javis: But this has most likely been done before you... | 14:46 |
| javispedro | yep, by the PSP version. | 14:47 |
| RST38h | ah | 14:47 |
| javispedro | however, they use PSP functions for rendering tiles | 14:47 |
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| javispedro | but I am getting some ideas either way | 14:47 |
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| pupnik_ | software evolution ftw | 14:48 |
| * RST38h tried rewriting GBA display drivers in ARm assembly recently | 14:49 | |
| javispedro | up so far I've gotten it up to 24 from 16 fps (5 of it being just switching to -O2 from -Os) | 14:49 |
| javispedro | (-O3, btw, performs same as -Os but with an unsanely large binary) | 14:49 |
| RST38h | Did not get any speedup =( But found that the only thing the speed depends on is the number of memory accesses per pixel | 14:49 |
| RST38h | javis: How do you do color conversion? | 14:49 |
| RST38h | from 15bpp SNES to 16bpp Nokia I mean? | 14:50 |
| javispedro | RST38h, :#define BUILD_PIXEL2_RGB565(R,G,B) (((int) (R) << 11) | ((int) (G) << 5) | (int) (B)) | 14:51 |
| javispedro | probably says nothing, I did not touch that DrPocketSNES part. | 14:51 |
| RST38h | no no no | 14:52 |
| tigert | Jaffa: you should make a level rule app from Attitude :) | 14:53 |
| RST38h | this builds Nokia pixel from components | 14:53 |
| RST38h | but where do you get the components for it? | 14:53 |
| javispedro | I need to read more code for that :) | 14:54 |
| Jaffa | tigert: You mean show a bubble rather than earth/sky? (Kinda planned) | 14:54 |
| tigert | Jaffa: http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2009/04/stanley-iphone-level.jpg < this is the iphone app :) | 14:54 |
| javispedro | PPU.CGDATA [i] & 0x1f | 14:55 |
| javispedro | hum | 14:55 |
| tigert | Jaffa: that iphone app is really useful when fixing a shelf to the wall | 14:55 |
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| tigert | since the phone would be in your pocket, while the level rule would be in the garage :) | 14:55 |
| javispedro | RST38h: red = PPU.CGDATA [i] & 0x1f green = (PPU.CGDATA [i] >> 5) & 0x1f blue = (PPU.CGDATA [i] >> 10) & 0x1f | 14:55 |
| tigert | and its accurate enough anyway for such use | 14:55 |
| javispedro | the emu seems to then multiply them by some constant in order to "fix brightness". | 14:55 |
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| Jaffa | tigert: Attitude or the iPhone? I've heard there's a) noise I need to average and b) some kind of callibration needed on RX-51 | 14:56 |
| tigert | Jaffa: the concept | 14:56 |
| javispedro | (it multiplies them using a fixed table lookup) | 14:56 |
| tigert | talking about the idea in general | 14:56 |
| RST38h | javis: Oh | 14:56 |
| RST38h | javis: You have got your improvement right there | 14:57 |
| Jaffa | tigert: Yeah, agreed. | 14:57 |
| RST38h | javis: write an assembly inline function that converts i => PPU.CGData[i] -> Nokia 565 pixel directly | 14:57 |
| javispedro | it does not do this for every pixel. | 14:58 |
| RST38h | javis: Screw the fixed table lookup | 14:58 |
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| RST38h | javis: Is it using a palette then? | 14:58 |
| javispedro | yep | 14:58 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 14:58 |
| javispedro | or so It seems | 14:58 |
| javispedro | hum | 14:58 |
| javispedro | setting paletted SDL output results in funny colors. I don't remember If it worked originally... | 14:59 |
| tigert | http://www.switcheasy.com/products/ThumbTacks/ThumbTacks.php < totally offtopic, but this is so cute :D | 15:00 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry. No, it didn't work. Tile rendering uses a palette, but then there's all those blends and transparencies the SNES can do which need 15 bit color. | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | i am running palletted mode for a NES emu btw... kind of a pita | 15:00 |
| RST38h | gentlemen, you do all understand that the NIT has no paletted mode natively? | 15:02 |
| RST38h | So whatever you enable in SDL will still be simulated, at unknown additional performance cost | 15:02 |
| javispedro | yes yes :) it was a bit faster because the famous GFX "bottleneck" function needs to do half the writes | 15:03 |
| javispedro | but only around +4fps, that's about it. | 15:03 |
| tigert | Jaffa: accelerometers are fun | 15:04 |
| tigert | Jaffa: I like the sports tracker on my s60 phone, it uses accelerometers to record steps | 15:05 |
| tigert | there is also a dedicated step counter app | 15:05 |
| javispedro | basically, the Mode7 bottleneck is a nearly complete rasterizer, z-buffer included. it had so many variables that the first time I tried to rewrite in asm I run out of registers (even tho I merged 2 char and 3 bool variables in one register) | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, iPhone nutcases attack Murtazin en masse | 15:06 |
| RST38h | "This geek shit is no iphone" | 15:06 |
| javispedro | it has 3 nested loops, line -> polygon(tile) -> pixel | 15:06 |
| RST38h | javis: you only need limited z buffer there, for playfields | 15:07 |
| RST38h | javis: And no, tile != polygon | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Any particularly funny URLs to threads? | 15:08 |
| javispedro | RST38h, not even if I just made that mental association so I could understand it a bit better? ;P | 15:09 |
| pupnik_ | i.e. a tile can't be 'slanted' wrt viewer | 15:09 |
| pupnik_ | that mode7 trick asidde.. | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: It is in Russian, and I am sure you have read it all before | 15:10 |
| lcuk | tigert, that stanley spirit level, how sensitive is it | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: "No wow factor, S60 sucks because of no wow and maemo is also no wow, etc" | 15:10 |
| lcuk | and how repid is the response? | 15:11 |
| RST38h | javis: It would be a wrong mental association | 15:11 |
| RST38h | javis: You really do not want to make it | 15:11 |
| RST38h | javis: First of all, tiles cannot intersect :) | 15:12 |
| tigert | lcuk: I have not used it - its a iphone app | 15:12 |
| tigert | dont have one | 15:12 |
| tigert | just knew it existed | 15:12 |
| tigert | apparently it is very popular | 15:12 |
| lcuk | looks the part, ive not tried it, anyone who has knows how sensitive it is? | 15:13 |
| pupnik_ | oh, is there a phone-less omap3 tablet pre-announced? | 15:16 |
| lcuk | i dunno, is there? | 15:17 |
| RST38h | no | 15:17 |
| RST38h | But there are two device names to wait on | 15:17 |
| RST38h | RX-71 and RX-56 mentioned by Murtazin | 15:17 |
| lcuk | o_O another | 15:17 |
| javispedro | I don't know if they're going to be no-phones. | 15:18 |
| RST38h | Do notice that the current Maemo cannot operate in resolutions different from 800x480 | 15:18 |
| RST38h | Ok, it can *almost* operate at different resolutions but not quite, so whatever Nokia releases right away will still have 800x480, no more and ABSOLUTELY no less | 15:18 |
| javispedro | ^^^ agreed, making it anything different would kill some extras applications. | 15:19 |
| javispedro | (and even most nokia ones) | 15:19 |
| RST38h | it will even kill some Nokia apps | 15:19 |
| javispedro | specially now that in fremantle dialogs are now fullscreen too. | 15:20 |
| lcuk | RST38h, doesnt that bode not so well for using qt to share between high def maemo and lowdef s60 | 15:20 |
| javispedro | (fullscreen width) | 15:20 |
| * RST38h curses at the mention of fremantle dialogs | 15:20 | |
| lcuk | or is qt the answer to that problem | 15:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: We have not see Qt based Maemo yet | 15:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Have not seen Qt based Symbian too, so who knows | 15:20 |
| lcuk | no, but app wise | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Qt is not the answer to flexible resolution problem | 15:20 |
| RST38h | You simply have to design your apps with flexible layout in mind, that's all | 15:21 |
| RST38h | It is what all web designers know they have to do but none of them do =) | 15:21 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 hopes 800x480 remains the standard resolution and Nokia doesn't go off on a range of resolutions, like they did with S60 | 15:21 | |
| RST38h | qwerty: Do you know how much effort it takes Nokia to support multiple resolutions in S60? ;) | 15:22 |
| RST38h | qwerty: E70 has 416x352 display for a reason ;)) | 15:22 |
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| javispedro | on the other side, a 800x480 Maemo netbook... (but I doubt we're going to see a Maemo netbook eitherway, much like they're not going a non-WindowsCE PNA) | 15:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Nope, but I presume that not having a reason to make the effort in the first place would be easier... | 15:23 |
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| wazd | maemo is a touchscreen OS | 15:24 |
| RST38h | qwerty: yes, but they are past that point | 15:24 |
| RST38h | qwerty: they can't make the current S60 flexible, afaik | 15:24 |
| wazd | I'd rather see tablet-pc like formfactor for it | 15:24 |
| RST38h | have to adapt it to each new resolution | 15:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah well, they've already shrunk the screen size to make the Rover a phone so they may not mess with the resolution anyway... | 15:25 |
| RST38h | qwerty: but they will have to mess with resolutions for two reasons: | 15:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: 1) if they do decide on producing Maeom based netbooks/MIDs | 15:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: 2) if they decide to produce lower-specced cheaper Maemophones | 15:26 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | True... I strongly dislike the idea of incompatibilities between Maemo devices, considering that a decent job was done with N8x0 (Although, in fairness, they did use same hardware) | 15:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (for the most part) | 15:28 |
| pupnik_ | i like 800x480 | 15:31 |
| pupnik_ | for handhelds | 15:31 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I think we should translate this: http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/birulki-28.shtml | 15:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: And post to talk just to collect [and summarily execute by suicide] all the iphone folk | 15:35 |
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| pupnik_ | i really like this frameskip actually | 15:38 |
| pupnik_ | music timing is also working great | 15:39 |
| pupnik_ | millenial fair is always a tough timing test for music | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Chronotrigger? | 15:41 |
| pupnik_ | ya | 15:41 |
| RST38h | It should have bird cries, if I remember correctly | 15:41 |
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| pupnik_ | very playable, except for some situations where timing is critical | 15:47 |
| pupnik_ | then the low fps makes it difficult | 15:47 |
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| pupnik_ | will rx51 tv out be usable as another desktop? | 15:49 |
| pupnik_ | wonder how one could send SDL output to it | 15:49 |
| RST38h | "American women are preparing for protests this weekend against laws which allow men to remove their shirts in public, but treat women who do the same as guilty of misdemeanour." | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Anyone willing to predict the outcome of this one? =) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | boobs? | 15:52 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Judging from other Nokia phones, TV out will be a copy of the screen | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Sts: No, you do not know Americans well enough ;) | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | breastfeeding women | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:53 |
| pupnik_ | hmm would prefer using it for media control on video playback | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Sts: The correct answer - "Men will be prohibited from removing their shirts in public" | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah yes | 15:53 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Dunno about OMAP3, but OMAP2 does not work this way | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | there's some degree of likelyhood dualscreen would be possible through hack though | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Anyways, back to the suffering | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Sts: I can't think how, given that there is only one DMA running | 15:55 |
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| RepMace | blah | 15:57 |
| RepMace | i need to get some type of kb going on this n810 in X | 15:58 |
| RepMace | either that or run fluxbox in mer | 15:58 |
| RepMace | :) | 15:58 |
| RepMace | su8w shouldnt be hard to get going | 15:59 |
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| RepMace | damnit | 16:05 |
| RepMace | didnt run the build in a screen so im stuck watching top | 16:05 |
| RepMace | although i think it is going on a 10 hour thing now | 16:06 |
| AStorm | hey, how do I flash the kernel from the device itself? | 16:07 |
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| pupnik_ | howto smwh | 16:12 |
| pupnik_ | oprofile AStorm ? | 16:12 |
| AStorm | no, mer | 16:15 |
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| AStorm | but it's the same way | 16:16 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 16:17 |
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| tigert | AStorm: you don't? | 16:20 |
| AStorm | there must be a way | 16:20 |
| AStorm | initfs is flashable from the device | 16:20 |
| AStorm | so must be the kernel | 16:20 |
| AStorm | now, how do I do this? | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | there is. ssu uses one. | 16:20 |
| johnsq | nice idea for a virus | 16:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | fiasco-flasher -h | 16:21 |
| AStorm | oh :) | 16:21 |
| AStorm | qwerty12++ | 16:22 |
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| RepMace | can you use multiple kernels on the device? | 16:26 |
| RepMace | like you would with grub or lilo? | 16:27 |
| RepMace | would thatbe a bootmenu option? | 16:27 |
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| AStorm | no. | 16:29 |
| javispedro | when bootmenu appears, the kernel is already chosen. | 16:29 |
| RepMace | oh | 16:29 |
| AStorm | that would be a fiasco option, but there seems to be no way to get at its config | 16:29 |
| RepMace | that kind of sucks | 16:29 |
| AStorm | not that much | 16:30 |
| javispedro | kexec would be some nice workaround, but I don't know how's that going | 16:30 |
| RepMace | so the kernel boots before bootmenu huh? | 16:30 |
| AStorm | there's kexec... if it works | 16:30 |
| AStorm | yes | 16:30 |
| RepMace | damn | 16:30 |
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| javispedro | the Nitdroid author was working in kexec support afaik, but I don't know the progress | 16:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: solca got it working somehow... I think he did something to the kexec'ed kernel to delay its loading | 16:31 |
| RepMace | i was going to start trying to make kernels in gentoo | 16:31 |
| javispedro | he got it working? that's good news. | 16:31 |
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| RepMace | so you can use multiple kernels now? | 16:32 |
| RepMace | slonopotamus: ! | 16:32 |
| RepMace | find me the mer patch for using Fn in X | 16:33 |
| RepMace | :) | 16:33 |
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| RepMace | i'm stumped | 16:33 |
| RepMace | and put it in your gentoo repo | 16:33 |
| RepMace | lol | 16:33 |
| RepMace | i was about to just overwrite the X dir with the mer one but i dont think that would work out too well | 16:34 |
| johnsq | RepMace: I used a patched evdev. | 16:34 |
| RepMace | johnsq: from where? | 16:35 |
| johnsq | RepMace: I'm searching | 16:35 |
| slonopotamus | -.- | 16:35 |
| RepMace | Stskeeps said to look there but i couldnt find one | 16:35 |
| RepMace | i was going to install mer just to get it haha | 16:35 |
| RepMace | slonopotamus: need to get that on your site ;) | 16:36 |
| RepMace | haha | 16:36 |
| RepMace | it is making my hair fall out not being able to use numbers and symbols in x with the qwerty | 16:36 |
| johnsq | RepMace: you can write a evdev patch, just map the key to another | 16:37 |
| RepMace | that is what Luke-Jr did for the console | 16:37 |
| RepMace | but if i can find a patched evdev with a working Fn key | 16:38 |
| RepMace | that would be even better | 16:38 |
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| johnsq | RepMace: the correct place, where to write a kernel driver, i have already found some code, but never the time to add it to the kernel. | 16:39 |
| AStorm | do it! | 16:41 |
| AStorm | :) | 16:41 |
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| Macer | johnsq: yeah, i saw that | 16:42 |
| Macer | there are a couple places you can edit to patch the kernel to get it working | 16:43 |
| Macer | but i dont have the sdk installed anywhere | 16:43 |
| Macer | and from what Stskeeps told me | 16:43 |
| Macer | building a kernel in gentoo on the device probably wont work | 16:43 |
| Macer | "it uses a specific toolchain" | 16:44 |
| Macer | or something like that | 16:44 |
| Macer | i think i am just going to have to suck it up and set up the sdk to build kernels and stuff | 16:44 |
| Macer | blah | 16:44 |
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| Macer | johnsq: if you ever build a working kernel for it instead of a workaround can you share? | 16:46 |
| Macer | (if you beat me to it) | 16:46 |
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| johnsq | Macer: I have now booted my n810, but the current card hasn't the patched evdev. still searching | 16:49 |
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| mgedmin | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml mentions a kickstand, but I can't see one in the photos | 16:51 |
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| doc|home | mgedmin: see around the camera piece? | 16:55 |
| doc|home | there's a recess to insert a finger nail to pull out the stand | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | I'd have never guessed | 16:56 |
| doc|home | it'd be really nice if there was an equivalent to itunes for the n900, like, songbird contributions or something | 16:57 |
| doc|home | only less crap than itunes :) | 16:57 |
| * mgedmin <-- has never seen itunes | 16:57 | |
| doc|home | I have an ipod touch that came free with a macbook pro. Very very nice integration | 16:57 |
| jeremiah | Rythmbox is pretty nice. | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | well, actually, I saw a screenshot in a blog somewhere where they talked about the invisible 7-pixel grab margin about the separator line | 16:57 |
| doc|home | jeremiah: do they integrate? | 16:58 |
| * mgedmin <-- has never used itunes | 16:58 | |
| jeremiah | Kinda looks like iTunes | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | rythmbox and banshee are kind okay, but kinda crap too | 16:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Someone built Quasar which certainly looks like iTunes... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=314006 | 16:58 |
| jeremiah | doc|home: Integrate how? | 16:58 |
| doc|home | jeremiah: sure, but it's more about the integration than the look | 16:58 |
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| jeremiah | On debian Rythmbox sees my iPod if that is what you mean | 16:58 |
| doc|home | jeremiah: app store, podcast database, syncing with mail accounts. That sort of thing | 16:58 |
| jeremiah | doc|home: Ah. There is Magnatune, and another service provided by default. | 16:59 |
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| * mgedmin wonders if anybody worked on an fbreader port to freemantle | 16:59 | |
| doc|home | I mean, it'd be nice if the client would sync evolution accounts to the n900 and the like | 16:59 |
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| jeremiah | I haven't expolored the other things you mention, as I doubt debian is going to support Apple's proprietary protocols | 16:59 |
| doc|home | yeah, I'm just talking about the n900 | 17:00 |
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| jeremiah | I am not sure if modest supports the Evolution full suite, but obviously it does the usual email tricks, imap and pop | 17:01 |
| jeremiah | (Modest is the Maemo mail client) | 17:01 |
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| doc|home | yeah, but it's the integration of the desktop and the touch I like a lot | 17:04 |
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| doc|home | I don't need to recreate the setup, I connect via usb, sync, and everything's copied over, podcasts, songs, email accounts, contacts, all in one click | 17:04 |
| lcuk | could your mum do the same (easily and reproducably without you there?) | 17:13 |
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| kulve | zerojayPC: yes, it should support other files as well, but only to some extent. I.e. most likely you can't open them from the player itself (the files must be in the playlist). And SIDs might want some extra options (change tune) that the Media Player doesn't provide | 17:16 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: could your grandad do it? | 17:17 |
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| Myrtti | lcuk: http://www.geekosophical.net/?p=265 | 17:21 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, i got a call from my dad the other day asking me how to printout a contact sheet of 20 photos each at passport size | 17:21 |
| lcuk | because he wanted a single passport photo | 17:21 |
| lcuk | and didnt want to waste paper | 17:21 |
| lcuk | he saw throwing the rest of the paper away as wastage | 17:22 |
| lcuk | and it probably runs in the family, so no - my grandad couldnt | 17:22 |
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| zpol | hola | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | and my mum is also it technical bod at her firm :) | 17:23 |
| Myrtti | it's just one of my pet peeves. One of my acquaintances just recently got a baby and she (IIRC) hacks KDE quite extensively - so the "could your mother do it" line of thinking feels a bit weird - as having giving birth to a child would somehow null and void all her technical skills to default none | 17:23 |
| lcuk | is "could ($person.age>50) do it" better? | 17:24 |
| Myrtti | mm | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | lol, i know theres rarities | 17:26 |
| lcuk | but its the principle of non technies being able to setup and use computer systems | 17:26 |
| Myrtti | christ I miss my glasses | 17:26 |
| lcuk | where have they gone? | 17:26 |
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| Myrtti | somewhere in a forest in middle of Finland | 17:27 |
| lcuk | eek | 17:28 |
| lcuk | you got none, or contacts now? | 17:28 |
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| Myrtti | got none until Specsavers delivers | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | are you sure you went to specsavers? :D | 17:30 |
| lcuk | "hi, i need new glasses" "you're telling me, this is the butchers" | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | I'm not blind, I just get a headache ;-) | 17:30 |
| lcuk | :( | 17:30 |
| lcuk | i get headaches when i get new specs | 17:30 |
| lcuk | i hate the change in focus | 17:30 |
| lcuk | and its always always worse | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | mine have been same for ten years | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | I used to get headaches pretty often and started visiting all the doctors I could think of | 17:31 |
| lcuk | since my eyes adapt and refocus, i might get them to understrength the next pair so when i refocus to them they get a bit better | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | the eye doctor tried to convince me you can't possibly get headaches from bad eyesight... | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | mgedmin: lol | 17:31 |
| lcuk | doh! | 17:31 |
| mgedmin | years later I finally figured out that eating is, apparently, a necessary activity to sustain life | 17:32 |
| mgedmin | no food = headache for me | 17:32 |
| Myrtti | snerk | 17:32 |
| lcuk | missing a meal causes headache for me | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | normally assoc. with not drinking either | 17:32 |
| fiferboy | I get acid reflux whe I haven't eaten | 17:32 |
| lcuk | thats qt repeating on you | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | I just get cold hands | 17:33 |
| fiferboy | No, it started before I began working on Qt. Could be bird watching, though... | 17:33 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:34 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, ? cold hands | 17:34 |
| Myrtti | cold hands. | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | perfect excuse to start hitting duncan! | 17:34 |
| Myrtti | yup | 17:34 |
| lcuk | "*whack*" i need to warm my hands up" | 17:34 |
| lcuk | who else sits for hours and gets one cold mousing arm | 17:35 |
| lbt | my mousing arm gets bed sores | 17:35 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:35 |
| lbt | but if you don't wipe up the coffee it moves easier | 17:36 |
| lcuk | oh i dont leave coffee to be spilt near arm, i put my cup precariously on the side of the computer | 17:36 |
| lcuk | that way if it spills, the motherboard catches it all | 17:36 |
| lbt | I suppose it could warm your ARM up that way? | 17:37 |
| fiferboy | Motherboards aren't all that absorbant - it is really the RAM that sucks it up | 17:37 |
| lcuk | yeah, the tiny spaces around and under the surface mounted chips does wonders. capilliary action | 17:38 |
| lbt | talking of pets.... what's brown and sticky and comes in yards? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | ? i dunno lol | 17:38 |
| lbt | a measuring stick | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | mine is yellow and comes in meters | 17:38 |
| mgedmin | what's small and yellow and very, very dangerous? | 17:39 |
| lcuk | *groan* | 17:39 |
| * lbt hasn't got kids so this is new to him | 17:39 | |
| lbt | ? | 17:39 |
| * toggles_w gives lbt a little goat | 17:39 | |
| mgedmin | a canary with the root password | 17:39 |
| lcuk | :D haha. wait, what? | 17:40 |
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| slonopotamus | -.- | 17:41 |
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| fiferboy | Hmm, how do I get a package that uses debhelper 7 to work with debhelper 5? | 17:44 |
| fiferboy | It is choking on dh_clean, saying that 5 is the highest compatibility level... | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | debian/compat contains the compatibility number it uses at least. have fun sorting the rest :) | 17:46 |
| fiferboy | Thanks qwerty, I _just_ found that! | 17:46 |
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| fiferboy | Has there been any word about when we might start hearing about sponsorship? | 17:49 |
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| divide_by_zero | hi. how do I properly uninstall the SDK installation?... | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: you like fremantle? :O | 18:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Actually seeing pictures can boost ones' happiness towards something... | 18:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I still think Harmattan will kick ass, but in the meantime... | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i just remembered negativity towards it :) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | things do make more sense now | 18:21 |
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| pupnik_ | javis is hero aswesom | 18:40 |
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| javispedro | heh pupnik, thanks :) | 18:40 |
| javispedro | I am looking at the whole mess of snes9x emulators heritage | 18:41 |
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| javispedro | there are nearly 4 families of renderers: the PocketSNES family (PocketSNES, DrPocketSNES -- accurate but not the fastest), the OpenSnes9x one (SquidgeSNES, snes9xTYL for PSP -- faster), the SNESAdvance one (fastest but pretty much unusable for anything non-GBA), and the upstream snes9x one. | 18:43 |
| javispedro | also, LJP (usable on tablets with GVM) is from the OpenSnes9x family. | 18:46 |
| johnsq | javispedro: take snes9x and port it | 18:47 |
| fiferboy | snes9x was very usable on the Zaurus | 18:47 |
| javispedro | johnsq, already done by pupnik_. slower than drpocketsnes. | 18:47 |
| javispedro | (take care OpenSnes9x != snes9x, the former's maintaned by yoyofr for the PSP only AFAIK). | 18:49 |
| * qwerty12_N810 actually considers javispedro's DrNokSNES to be fully usable | 18:49 | |
| javispedro | also, snes4iphone is from the drpocketsnes family. | 18:49 |
| * javispedro dislikes roaming around the gp2x and the like boards, they're hard to navigate, they like to show videos instead of source code, and every license is more complicated than the previous one. | 18:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: maemo is bliss at times | 18:59 |
| javispedro | also from the DrPocketSNES family I've found AntSNES, made by Summeli (present here but currently away -- if you read this, thanks! btw, your source tarball seems to be missing symb_main.cpp) | 18:59 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, true. I like it :) | 19:00 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 19:00 |
| pupnik_ | cmdline settable audio rate! :) | 19:01 |
| javispedro | ok, but you'll be deceived -- everything else is slow :) | 19:03 |
| javispedro | oh, slashdot just got the rover story | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | there goes openmoko.. | 19:04 |
| javispedro | and android. | 19:04 |
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| javispedro | "Users can download flashing software from Nokia, and patches can be submitted at the Maemo site." what a weird way to end the story. | 19:05 |
| javispedro | (they actually link to both tablets-dev and bugzilla. | 19:06 |
| javispedro | ) | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Did they call it "Freemantle"? ;) | 19:07 |
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| javispedro | I haven't read that yet, but I've already seen comments criticising the gui | 19:08 |
| javispedro | (and someone already asking "is it a phone?") | 19:08 |
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| javispedro | astroturf tag. :P | 19:09 |
| Jaffa | Any time /. covers something I'm involved in, it's very very annoying. | 19:11 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa: totally true. on the bright side, knowing half the opinions are idiotic relieves me when they discuss things I don't have a clue about. | 19:12 |
| javispedro | (e.g "the world/the economy is gonna end tomorrow" and the like) | 19:12 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: True | 19:13 |
| * Jaffa fiddles with the moderation levels: 39 full, 173 hidden. Perfect. | 19:13 | |
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| * javispedro would like to tell the anonymous coward author of the comment: "x11, gtk, all the bloat. only thing missing is pulseaudio and we have the complete bloated platform" the truth about pulseaudio in maemo 5. | 19:16 | |
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| Jaffa | It's amazing that with the comments set like I've got them, it's *still* more insightful than -users ;-) | 19:18 |
| lcuk | jaffa, to replicate some areas of tmo, you need to set moderation modifiers: troll +5, interesting -5, insightful+10 | 19:19 |
| * lcuk thinks the slashdot comment engine and moderation methodology is one of the smartest things ever | 19:19 | |
| Jaffa | Just a shame about its comment*ers*? ;-) | 19:20 |
| javispedro | what I like about the slashdot moderation is that it seems to prevent meritocracies, instead being a proper middle point between the "funnycracy" digg is and your average -devel mailing list. | 19:21 |
| javispedro | so it's still easy to read, but not digg. | 19:22 |
| lcuk | lol jaffa | 19:22 |
| lcuk | digg have changed default now to order comments by popularity | 19:22 |
| lcuk | you cannot have a conversation | 19:22 |
| javispedro | digg has done real bad things these days ... (one of them being the diggbar) | 19:23 |
| lcuk | next best commenting engine is the chans | 19:23 |
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| Macer | blah | 19:30 |
| benno2 | hi, I tried to install the maemo diablo sdk to a ubuntu 8.04 box. it works I compiled a sample c app with DIABLO_ARMEL target but I cannot to fakeroot apt-get update , it says temorary name resolution failure although networking is up and running (I can wget the stuff where apt-get fails). any ideas ? | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | digg doesn't have threads? | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | benno2: check your /etc/resolv.conf in scratchbox | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | benno2: IIRC there used to be two different resolv.conf files in scratchbox: one in /etc, the other in /scratchbox/etc | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | fixing them both (making them look the same as /etc/resolv.conf outside scratchbox) tends to help | 19:34 |
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| benno2 | mgedmin, yes I checked and both files are identical. it seems that scatchbox copies the file /etc/resolv.conf to /scratchbox/etc but it still does not work | 19:35 |
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| mgedmin | you could check /etc/nsswitch.conf too | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | if it mentions mdns, that's not going to work inside scratchbox | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | I mean the nsswitch.conf inside scratchbox, not the one in the host system | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | it's confusing | 19:36 |
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| mgedmin | scratchbox chroots into /scratchbox/users/yourusername/targets/nameoftarget or someplace like that | 19:36 |
| wazd | guys, anyoneform greece? :) | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | you want to edit the config files in /scratchbox/users/yourusername/targets/nameoftarget/etc, not the ones in your host system | 19:36 |
| wazd | oh, crap, I mean anyone from greece? :) | 19:37 |
| benno2 | mgedmin, this is the error I get: is this normal that qemu complains ? http://pastebin.ca/1537860 | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | interesting qemu message; haven't seen it before | 19:37 |
| wazd | Or maybe someone can advise me good Vodaphone PaYG contract with cheap sms? :) | 19:38 |
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| benno2 | mgedmin, thanks it works. I just logged into scratchbox and did vi /etc/resolv.conf and indeed I had only a line with nameserver 127.0.0.1 | 19:38 |
| benno2 | mgedmin, now I copied my 2 DNS over and apt-get update executed successfully | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | benno2: actually that may be good | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | you don't want to be editing that file every time you connect to a different network | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | in the host system sudo apt-get install dnsmasq | 19:39 |
| benno2 | BTW can the maemo5 sdk be installed along the maemo 4 sdk ? | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | and then your host os will proxy dns requests for your scratchbox | 19:39 |
| benno2 | mgedmin, thanks for the tip about dnsmasq. | 19:40 |
| benno2 | about Qt4, if I want to compile a Qt4 app. should I compile Qt4 from source in the maemo sdk or are there precompiled packages ? an apt-cache search qt did not return any result | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | there should be precompiled packages for qt somewhere (extras? extras-devel?), I think | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | neither is not in your apt sources.list by default | 19:42 |
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| mgedmin | fun: now I can't get apt-get inside scratchbox to do DNS resolution | 19:42 |
| mgedmin | all resolv.conf's look legit | 19:42 |
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| javispedro | mgedmin, aah, that's why I never had to edit resolv.conf, I have pdnsd. | 19:43 |
| javispedro | Makes sense to ship default resolv.conf that way, since the device uses dnsmasq | 19:43 |
| mgedmin | inside scratchbox: getent hosts repository.maemo.org -> works; fakeroot apt-get update -> temporary failure in name resolution | 19:44 |
| javispedro | AFAIK: sbox uses /scractchbox/etc/resolv.conf for devkit binaries, and /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets/$TARGET/etc/resolv.conf for native/emulated binaries. | 19:44 |
| javispedro | apt-get is from devkit. | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | duh | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | my /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf is a dud that looks almost exactly like the real one | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | 192.168.44.1 instead of 192.168.42.1 | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | lemme set that to 127.0.0.1 | 19:45 |
| * mgedmin should listen to his own advice | 19:46 | |
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| divide_by_zero | zup. Has anyone ehre worked with the SDK+ inside a 32bit chroot environment? | 19:51 |
| benno2 | mgedmin, what qemu should I select in sb-menu ? perhaps I selected the wrong one ? first I was using qemu-cvs-alpha but it was not executing my simple C app in the SDK so I used another and it worked | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | benno2: http://inz.fi/blog/2007/10/22/multi-target-development-for-maemo/ is what I used when I last set up my scratchboxs | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | thank you, inz, for writing that post! | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | I don't have the fremantle SDK installed yet | 19:53 |
| * mgedmin should do that | 19:53 | |
| benno2 | mgedmin, what I did is: sb-menu, setup target , DIABLO-ARMEL , compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm. then I select cputransp. then DONE. at that point it asks which qemu version I should chose.there are several. no idea which one is the recommended. | 19:55 |
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| mgedmin | the post I linked used qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | it seems to work | 19:56 |
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| javispedro | fwiw, sb-conf show DIABLO_ARMEL -> Compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm Devkits: debian-etch cputransp maemo3-tools perl CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 | 19:57 |
| benno2 | mgedmin, now I tried qemu-arm-cvs and I still get those qemu errors. not sure if they can be ignored though: http://pastebin.ca/1537875 | 19:58 |
| * mgedmin <-- clueless | 19:59 | |
| benno2 | mgedmin, don't worry :) thanks for your tips. | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | fwiw I use qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 *and* I don't get those qemu messages | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | ubuntu 9.04 on i686 | 20:01 |
| benno2 | mgedmin, ubuntu 8.04 here. perhaps it's something about the mmap minium address. I set it to 4096 as described in the maemo sdk install.txt | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | I used 8.04 before | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | I don't think mmap_min_addr is related at all | 20:02 |
| proppy | Hi, I'm trying to run maemo 5 sdk for the first time, and I get this error | 20:10 |
| proppy | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start | 20:10 |
| proppy | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found | 20:10 |
| proppy | what am I missing ? | 20:11 |
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| proppy | found http://wiki.maemo.org/Q&A_-_SDK_and_Scratchbox#Why_do_I_get_.22command_not_found.22_even_though_I_follow_the_instructions_in_the_documentation.3F | 20:13 |
| proppy | is there anything I can try without install nokia-binaries ? | 20:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No nokia-binaries, no GUI | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | no GUI at all in fremantle's SDK? | 20:14 |
| mgedmin | I find that hard to believe | 20:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It won't start properly (if at all) unless nokia-binaries is installed | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | aah | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | the comma meant "therefore", not "and" | 20:15 |
| mgedmin | bit of a shame about that dependency on non-free sw :/ | 20:16 |
| proppy | qwerty12_N810: thanks | 20:16 |
| divide_by_zero | I want to create just a gst plugin for my N800, what is the best way?... can someone compile it for me? :] | 20:23 |
| lcuk | what do i do with a library thats in debian, but as orig.tar.gz and a diff.tar.gz . i dont want to go muching about and repackaging it up and making change notes - a later one builds on my system and hsouldnt have any probs getting through autobuilder but i want it available from extras. | 20:28 |
| lcuk | did i recall correctly seeing somewhere there was a debian promotion/request tool | 20:30 |
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| mgedmin | lcuk: mud-builder | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | I've been sort of detached from maemo developments lately, not sure if there's anything that supplanted it | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | ta mgedmin | 20:53 |
| lcuk | ill look into it | 20:53 |
| lcuk | of course, the alternative is just to throw everything into the package i need | 20:53 |
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| RST38h | reEHLO | 21:15 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, connection failed | 21:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Nokia. Connecting people. | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | :P protocol error then | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | qwerty12. Terminating people. Goodbye RST38h. | 21:27 |
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| RST38h | Reverting to UUCP. | 21:27 |
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| keesj | any pyside / python people around to explain me how to install a 2.6 python on sbox? | 21:41 |
| keesj | neve mind... http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ | 21:41 |
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| GAN800 | Fun times. | 22:16 |
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| AStorm | hey | 22:21 |
| AStorm | could someone drop here a link to n900 specs? | 22:21 |
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| AStorm | ah btw, if I had to input chinese on n810, | 22:22 |
| AStorm | how would I do that? | 22:22 |
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| dmz | howdy y'all, anyone have any suggestions on how i can debug an os2008 (n810) device DUN connection? I am using the same bluetooth with dialup on my linux laptop, but w/the maemo device it keeps failing. do you know where it stores the details on the DUN modem/connection (bluetooth) settings? i'm more than happy to manually setup ppp and do it w/out the fancy network config option but i need it to work. btw i have verizon and it use to | 22:27 |
| dmz | work perfectly w/my old at&t acct | 22:27 |
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| Robot101 | look, the N900! http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-21-2009/0005081178&EDATE= | 22:29 |
| Robot101 | ho ho ho ho | 22:29 |
| Robot101 | *facepalm* | 22:29 |
| javispedro | those chinese iphones are cool indeed :D | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Nokia's got some biig competition /s | 22:32 |
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| GAN800 | I can'r wait until frank.wagner finds that one. | 22:35 |
| AStorm | dmz, in gconf | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Chinese firm to already release N900. Where is Nokia??!!" | 22:37 |
| javispedro | lol 371 comments in salsadot already | 22:37 |
| AStorm | but it's probably because you haven't paired properly | 22:37 |
| AStorm | hey, I want N900 specs, not ones of some chinese lookalike | 22:37 |
| javispedro | this N900 is going to sell like pancakes (yes pancakes) | 22:38 |
| AStorm | meh, no keyboard | 22:39 |
| * AStorm likes his N810 keyboard | 22:39 | |
| * ShadowJK eats pancakes every thursday | 22:41 | |
| ShadowJK | with peasoup :/ | 22:41 |
| AStorm | funny choice | 22:41 |
| dmz | AStorm, i can do file transfers via bluetooth, so it is paired ok; just when it tries dialup it doesn't work | 22:42 |
| AStorm | did you pick the operator correctly? | 22:43 |
| dmz | AStorm, yes there is only one verizon to choose | 22:44 |
| dmz | in fact I used the settings seen when "editing" the verizon config to get the phone # & userid i used on my debian laptop | 22:45 |
| dmz | is there any session log or details I can see "what" is failing? | 22:45 |
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| cityLights | I read a pulse audio developer comment about the need to have the audio processing out of the kernel space | 22:48 |
| cityLights | what are the guidlines in the linux kernel , for what should be in the kernel and what is in user space? | 22:48 |
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| GAN800 | Man, the idiots have invaded /. too. | 22:58 |
| divide_by_zero | ? | 22:59 |
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| MrGoose | so the n900 looks nice | 23:09 |
| MrGoose | is it going to be a phone/ | 23:09 |
| MrGoose | ? | 23:09 |
| mavhc | yes | 23:10 |
| mavhc | hopefully they make one that's not a phone | 23:10 |
| MrGoose | why are you hoping for that? | 23:10 |
| mavhc | for some reason smartphones cost twice the price of tablets | 23:10 |
| Macer | plah | 23:11 |
| MrGoose | yeah but you dont have to carry around two objects | 23:11 |
| Macer | im going to install mer with fluxbox | 23:11 |
| mavhc | yeah, but I don't have to not use my tablet for fear of my phone battery dying | 23:11 |
| divide_by_zero | I like to carry lots of objects, it fills the hole in my soul!... | 23:11 |
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| Macer | does openoffice run in mer? | 23:12 |
| mavhc | a soul hole? why not fill it with a mole? | 23:13 |
| MrGoose | Well I hope the battery life wont be bad | 23:13 |
| mavhc | mole, foal, vole, GOAL! | 23:14 |
| MrGoose | hyperbole | 23:14 |
| AStorm | Macer, no | 23:17 |
| AStorm | it wouldn't fit in RAM anyway | 23:17 |
| AStorm | abiword and gnumeric do | 23:17 |
| AStorm | and probably koffice | 23:17 |
| Macer | heh | 23:18 |
| Macer | swap | 23:19 |
| AStorm | no, it won't fit even with swap | 23:19 |
| AStorm | unless you want your sd cards to fail | 23:20 |
| divide_by_zero | even if the Rover is a phone I'll keep carryng my phone, so I can talk to myself!... | 23:21 |
| Macer | hm | 23:22 |
| Macer | does abiword in mer priint? | 23:22 |
| Macer | or apps in mer in general? | 23:23 |
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| Macer | do they have cups support? | 23:23 |
| AStorm | likely not | 23:27 |
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| AStorm | but it is possible | 23:27 |
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| Macer | seriously | 23:28 |
| Macer | fuck this tablet hackery bullshit | 23:28 |
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| Macer | i will just shove this piece of shiit into the car like i meant to | 23:29 |
| Macer | and look for a real device | 23:29 |
| Macer | that can do basic shit like... print | 23:29 |
| `0660_ | :) | 23:30 |
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| Macer | ok well, it has been a blast | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | eh, my E75 was same price as N810 and it's same kind of hw | 23:35 |
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| Macer | well i have given up on this piece of shit tablet | 23:36 |
| Macer | i will look for something similar that isnt a piece of shit | 23:36 |
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| florian | ShadowJK: hum well... i have both too and somehow the n810 has a little bit better screen, eh?! | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | and e75 has a little bit more radios | 23:37 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: can it print | 23:37 |
| Macer | ? | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | I don't care | 23:37 |
| AStorm | Macer, under mer printing works | 23:37 |
| Macer | AStorm: lol | 23:37 |
| AStorm | (because of ubuntu packages) | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | my printer doesn't speak anything sane anyway | 23:37 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: my n95 had bt printing | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | had? did it die with ota fw upgrade? :-) | 23:38 |
| florian | Macer: yes, its able to print... a little bit | 23:38 |
| Macer | no, i sold it | 23:38 |
| Macer | dont have att anymore | 23:39 |
| AStorm | the whole printing stuff is not done to save space | 23:39 |
| AStorm | it's a rarely used feature | 23:39 |
| florian | and a lot of work to maintain | 23:39 |
| Macer | on a "portable computer" ? | 23:39 |
| Macer | lol | 23:39 |
| AStorm | no. Internet Tablet. | 23:39 |
| Macer | hahahahaha | 23:40 |
| florian | Macer: get a vaio p | 23:40 |
| AStorm | it's somewhere between a midlet and a cellphone | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | N810 took me down this road that was the main road through the village I was going through... only issue was that it was the main road 50 years ago, and now it's barely fit for walking | 23:40 |
| Macer | and there is the typical maemo argument | 23:40 |
| florian | Macer: that's exactly what you need | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | was fun drive :-) | 23:40 |
| Macer | vaio p? | 23:40 |
| Macer | same size? | 23:40 |
| AStorm | Macer, if you really need printing, you can take Ubuntu or Mer | 23:41 |
| AStorm | and put it on n810 | 23:41 |
| AStorm | (or Debian) | 23:41 |
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| AStorm | all of these support printing | 23:41 |
| Macer | i need a patched kernel | 23:41 |
| Macer | or X | 23:41 |
| AStorm | Mer is the future, though | 23:41 |
| AStorm | why? | 23:41 |
| Macer | for Fn key | 23:41 |
| AStorm | Mer supports X and Fn | 23:41 |
| divide_by_zero | I bet CUPS works with Android out-of-the-box | 23:41 |
| AStorm | no patching is necessary | 23:41 |
| AStorm | divide_by_zero, nopes. | 23:42 |
| AStorm | :P | 23:42 |
| pupnik_ | NeXT had a nice solution | 23:42 |
| Macer | ok. let me install this | 23:42 |
| AStorm | Macer, note - it's still alpha quality | 23:42 |
| Macer | i know | 23:43 |
| AStorm | works... mostly | 23:43 |
| Macer | lol, ive used it | 23:43 |
| AStorm | I've a problem establishing bt dun connection with blueman | 23:43 |
| AStorm | I'll try the old way with hardcoded rfcomm entries | 23:43 |
| AStorm | bbl | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | I'm taking my N810 with me alot more now that I've got a nicer network setup. When I leave home, my N810 automatically switches from wlan to edge/3g (via bt), and thanks to some openvpn setup, my public IP essentially doesn't change, and all IRC connections etc don't break :-) | 23:44 |
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| pupnik_ | nic ejob ShadowJK | 23:54 |
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| ShadowJK | I wish there was a openvpn client for symbian :( | 23:57 |
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| divide_by_zero | I bet Android phones wake up when you are sleeping, clean your dished, sweep the house, open the door to let the cat in, then comes back to wake you up to work in the morning. all this out-of-the-box and using only off-the-shelf components! | 23:59 |
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