IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-08-18

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wazd_I'm back00:00
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wazdJust saw District 9, awesome movie00:00
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javispedroso, wazd, did you get mokion sickness?00:02
VDVsxsomeone was cursing that movie a while back00:02
Firebirdmeh, they didn't come back :o00:02
wazdjavispedro: aw cmon, at least it's a movie bout aliens with unique story :)00:03
javispedroyeah, but (sorry to repeat myself) the shaky cam killed it for me.00:03
Firebirdjavispedro, wasn't that shaky00:04
wazdjavispedro: well, that was the narrating style :) Reminds me Cloverfield :)00:04
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wazdFirebird: yeah, it wasn't disrurbing for me00:04
wazdFirebird: in fact I was too intrigued to notice it :)00:04
Firebirdheh, I didn't like the end though, was totally expecting them to return in the same movie00:05
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Firebirdso I guess in 3 years - "District 10"00:06
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wazdFirebird: well, then you'd complain "meh. 4 hour movie?!"00:06
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Firebirdwell didn't realize it was that long :D00:07
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GeneralAntilleswazd, I really dug the originality of the alien tech.00:15
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GeneralAntillesMost scifi these days seems to reprise all of the same stuff.00:15
GeneralAntillesBut they had some interesting new stuff (that actually FELT powerful).00:15
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GeneralAntillesIt was weird how they shifted from the mockumentary to a narrative about how inhuman things can be human back to a mockumentary.00:16
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divide_by_zeroI saw Drag me to hell the other day. I liked the _lack_ of originality... Just plain old-school demons and ghost stuff! :)  (actually, there is a lot of original stuff, but I liked the fact that ghosts were not that flickery thing that we see these days)00:26
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slonopotamuslibcal and zlib understanding of crc32 doesn't match :(00:42
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slonopotamusLuke-Jr, i'm in trouble. i can't figure out how to calculate crc32 in compatible with libcal manner :/00:48
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slonopotamusExpected 0x402ddf85 but got 0x4f96b2d100:50
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slonopotamusExpected 0xcd26aeb1 but got 0xc25a534200:50
slonopotamusExpected 0xf1b190f0 but got 0x123bf88600:51
slonopotamusany pattern? :D00:51
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wazdoh, Skype guy will be at the Summit!01:01
wazdTomTom guy will be at the Summit!01:01
wazdHmm-Hmm :)01:01
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pupnikACEMD is a production-class bio-molecular dynamics (MD) simulation program designed specifically for GPUs which is able to achieve supercomputing scale performance of 40 nanoseconds /day for all-atom protein systems with over 23,000 atoms.  With GPU technology it has become possible to run a microsecond-long trajectory for an all-atom molecular system in explicit water on a single workstation computer equipped with just 3 GPUs.01:02
pupnikso they simulate 23000 atoms for 40 nanoseconds, with a day of computing01:02
slonopotamussupercomputing scale performance!01:03
pupniki think there's something creepy or cool about simulating the universe, using the universe01:04
VDVsxwazd, TomTom ?01:04
VDVsxin the schedule ?01:05
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lcukpupnik, not at all01:05
slonopotamuspupnik, don't you expect them to build small lab copy of it? :)01:05
lcukits like my missus, the sim people in her sims game can sit down at a computer and play sims01:06
wazdVDVsx: nope, just registered as a participant01:06
pupnikno, just simpler 'universes' which may grow in complexity01:06
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VDVsxwazd, That's keesj  ;)01:07
pupnikfor e.g. modeling cellular communication01:07
VDVsxMaemo community council member :)01:07
pupnikthat is the key to curing cancer01:07
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wazdVDVsx: oh :)01:07
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pupnikunless you can simulate entire cells, and _and_ cell systems, you can't predict how changes in dna (dna therapy) can fix things01:08
lcukpupnik, unfortunately, the radiation given off by that super machine shortens the lifespan of any operators :'(01:08
pupnikwhile resources are scarce, you can focus on some key things, like protein folding01:09
lcuki think it would be better to use computers to do something productive and useful01:09
lcuklike a flickr ORC machine01:09
pupniki'd prefer re-focusing on medical tech01:09
lcukto automatically detect and scan all written language from the whole of flickr01:09
pupnikfixing cancer, other diseases01:10
pupnikor giving ppl super-easy-to-use tablets on little stands for their hospital stay01:10
lcuki actually agree with the tablet idea - but they get lost - in hospitals around here, they have smallish 7" units which have a phone01:11
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lcukand are on a swivel arm01:11
lcukthe patient always has it nearby and headphones etc01:12
luis_can someone answer me a question?01:12
wazdluis_: no, until you ask :)01:13
luis_hehe... i have a N80001:13
luis_and i wanted to know if the new maemo 5 will be compatible01:14
wazdluis_: nope01:14
pupnikthey *do* lcuk ?01:14
luis_because of the keyboard?01:14
lcukhad em for years now01:14
pupnikdude that is freakin great01:14
wazdluis_: because of the many things01:14
Jaffaluis_: Afraid not. However, there is a community effort which will be providing a "backport"
wazdluis_: OpenGL hardware for instance, slow processor and other stuff01:15
luis_wazd: so the N800 was abandonated01:15
Jaffaluis_: Mostly due to the much superior speed of OMAP3430 in Maemo 5 devices compared with the OMAP2 in an N8x0, and the lack of publishable 3D gfx drivers which will make the Clutter-based shiny UI work well.01:15
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lardmanevening all01:15
lcukhiya lardman \o01:16
wazdlardman: heya01:16
Jaffaluis_: Nokia are doing unprecedented levels of support to the community on Mer, it's a 3 year old machine and you've had several updates. <shrug/>01:16
lardmanhey guys01:16
JaffaThere's a limit to when it's commercially sensible to break your back, and constrain your future, to support a wildly different device.01:16
Jaffalardman: heya01:16
luis_Jaffa: So the better thing to do is buyng a N810?01:17
lardmanhi Jaffa01:17
wazdluis_: no01:17
wazdluis_: it's abandoned too01:17
lardmanluis_: they are cheap, and useful01:17
lardmanluis_: and not abandoned by us ;)01:17
lcukhe already has an80001:17
lardmanah ok01:18
wazdluis_: Better wait for new tablet, heavilly rumored in last few days01:18
Jaffaluis_: The N810 is the same platform as the N800 (hence the N8x0 designation often used). If you want a Maemo 5 device, buy RX-51 when it's launched (or RX-71 at some point in the future, presumably)01:18
lardmanwell the n810 is far better as it has a kb :p01:18
lcukluis_, the 810 will give you a hw keyboard and gps but essentially the machine is the same01:18
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lardmanyeah, if you don't care about a kb then stick with the n800 and wait, the n810 GPS is rubbish, and the lack of radio is annoying01:18
* lcuk waits for the RX-91 with mr Fusion powersource01:18
lardmanhmm, I tihnk the rx-71 has that actually ;)01:19
lcukand a toaster01:19
lardmanah, no fission, got it wrong01:19
lardmanyeag, fission is better, no stray magnetic fields :)01:19
lcukyeah they couldnt add a floppy drive if they used fusion01:20
* lardman is not best pleased as it looks like he has to go to work tomorrow, again01:20
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lcukwere you expecting some sort of natural disaster blocking the road?01:20
luis_i dont mather about the keyboard, i'm just preocupated about software suport01:20
lardmannah, holiday, assuming the sun comes out01:20
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lardmanluis_: n800/n810 are the same in that respect01:21
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lardmanlcuk: but now have stuff to do, have to sort out someone's paper, conferences, stuff01:21
lcuknever ending stream01:21
JaffaGood news: I left work early feeling shit; having had several flu like symptoms. The much vaunted "swine flu symptom checker" tells me to ring the untrained monkeys in a call centre to get a diagnosis. Fun fun fun.01:22
lardmanJaffa: already had it, not too bad (he says)01:22
JaffaSo, I might give them a ring in the morning if I still feel 'orrible. At the moment, I'm too tired and bunged up to think about moving up to bed.01:22
lardmanJaffa: not sure if it was the real deal mind you, so I made sure I went into work all week01:22
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lcukyou helped spread your germs01:23
Jaffalardman: This didn't feel too bad, until 6 hours in to a stuffy air conditioned office. And blocked sinuses bring on a migraine :-/01:23
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zerojayPCJaffa: I've been having flu symptoms since Thursday night.. slept maybe 8 hours since then and I've spit up about a half litre of fluid from my lungs.01:23
lcukluke comes back from camp on friday, i bet he brings diseases back01:23
lardmanswine flu has a great effect on queues, you mention your wife has it and you don't feel too hot, and suddenly the queue evaporates01:23
luis_lardman: the better to do is wait for the rx series?01:23
JaffaNot a good time for me to be off work, tho'. Admittedly, better me than *everyone*. So maybe working from home.01:23
lardmanluis_: in your position yes01:23
zerojayPCJaffa: Yeah, that's the choice I made today. I was out Friday too.01:23
JaffazerojayPC: Sounds nice.01:23
lcukluis_, if you have a defined need, no get yourself an 810 and enjoy it01:23
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lcukif you are just fishing, go read the web01:24
zerojayPCJaffa: Looks even nicer. Imagine snot tentacles in yellow liquid. :/01:24
luis_lardman: i just hope don't take too long to arrive in brazil...01:24
lardmanluis_: but as you have an n800, you probably don't need it unless you are dying for a kb01:24
JaffaCertainly if you're price conscious, buy an N810 now or the glut on teh second hand market in a few months.01:24
JaffaBut since you've got an N800, I'd wait.01:24
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lardmanbrand new they are only £129 which is pretty good01:25
lardmanthat's over here of course ;)01:25
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luis_in brazil the N810 is R$1000, about USD50001:26
lardmanouch, definitely wait then01:27
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luis_that's the problem of a plataform that is constantly updated01:28
luis_the support also ends faster01:28
JaffaThat's the problem of mobile technology.01:29
lardmansupport should remain in place for the n800/n810 for a while yet01:29
JaffaIt's changing at the pace of home computers in the mid-80s01:29
Jaffa(nearly, anyway)01:29
JaffaAnd the OMAP3 is the Archimedes of its generation ;-)01:30
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lcukmy mate had an archimedes01:32
lcukthe only game i ever saw was some hovering over landscape one01:32
lardman"your mate", aren't you always on about it?!01:32
* lcuk doesnt know01:32
lcuknot i01:33
lcuki had amiga01:33
lardmanah, ok01:33
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Jaffalcuk: "Lander". A demo version of Zarch which came with it.01:33
lcukwas that the only game for it?01:33
lcuki remember seeing the first ever full color image on any computr on an archie01:34
javispedrothe only way I found to convince osso-games-launcher that the game is paused, and I have a valid state file for it is to do a self-rpc01:34
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lcukit was a screencapture of home and away logo (bizarre i remember)01:34
javispedroevery other app in the system can convince it to just do it, but not a plugin.01:34
Jaffalcuk: No, there were more games than that ;-)01:34
lcukjavispedro, what does game launcher actually do01:35
Jaffalcuk: ArcElite, for example, is considered the definitive version of Elite - the first verion of Elite where NPCs fought each *other*. Basically Oolite is an OSS remake of ArcElite and works very nicely :)01:35
lcukdont say launches games01:35
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lardmananyone know off the top of their heads how OCR systems function?01:35
javispedrolcuk: launching games is way too much for it. it uses dbus for that.01:35
luis_bye bye01:35
lardmanbye luis_01:36
lcuk:D lardman i think you just found the archie fan you thought was me ;)01:36
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Jaffalcuk: I don't deny it ;-)01:36
lardmanI never had a computer back in those days, so they are all lumped in together for me01:36
lardmanIBM XT all the way!01:36
lcuklardman, it optically recognises things01:36
* Jaffa had a BBC Model B up until 1994, then an A3010 (my first Arc with its shiny ARM250 :-))01:36
JaffaThen in 1998, built a Redhat 5.2 x86 box.01:37
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* lcuk had zx spectrum, amiga 500,120001:37
lcukthen a break before having to use pcs01:37
* Jaffa decides enough is enough. The feeling of megalomania got from approving/rejecting sponsorship requests should be taken in small doses to make it last.01:38
lcukand then i found this little maemo thing (obscure, you wont have heard of it) that reminded me of my amiga01:38
* lardman had IBM XT (Dad's from work), then Psion II, 3, 3a, 5, then onto PCs01:38
lcukand i was in love again :)01:38
javispedro~curse encapsulation01:38
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, encapsulation !01:38
lardmanJaffa: can I say nice things to you to approve my request?01:38
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lcuklardman, ocr is VERY VERY VERY similar to the equations you need for your barcodes01:39
slonopotamus~curse libcal crc01:39
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libcal crc !01:39
lcukso i dunno why you are asking - they are related entities01:39
lcukor is this a blonde moment ;)01:40
* javispedro ponders wheter writing a 50KiB-ish every time the game closes will have a noticeable effect in nand life01:40
lcukjaffa, if i write you a program, can i has summit visit01:40
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lcukjavispedro, thats 2 pages of sketches01:41
lcukconsidering how many pages ive got now i wouldnt imagine it would be notiable01:41
lcuk(it does wear level doesnt it?)01:41
lardmanlcuk: was thinking of using correlation with a known set of masks01:41
javispedrofor sure.01:41
javispedrolcuk, good to know :)01:42
lcuklardmna, biggest ocr problem is rotation01:42
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lardmanthat can be dealt with in the correlation equation, though not a problem for me01:42
lcukbut you do like barcodes and reduce the working set to managable identifiable busy rectangles, then do what you can within them01:43
lardmanavi file containing images with frequency written in the corner, need to analyse the images knowing the frequency01:43
lcukso its very limited ocr01:43
lcukie, just something you know about, and could fudge01:43
lcukthats a simpler prop then01:44
lardmanbest way! :)01:44
lcukonly way!01:44
lcuki tohught you were talking in general01:44
Jaffalcuk: Only program I want at the moment is a discount programme for an RX-51 ;-)01:44
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lcuksorry, maximum app length is too long01:45
lardmananyway with ~100k frames to process, not sure the correlation overhead will be good, so may have to work out the exact framerate/freq incremement and use that without doing much more processing01:45
lcukapp builder wont accept "discount programme" :p01:45
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lcukwell within a working set, wont you get similarities anyway01:46
lcukits the difference between me writing an HWR routine for my sketches, or one for all01:46
lardmanwell see, the dithering is not the greatest01:46
lcuki *KNOW* i could get a system detecting mine quickly (ive done roughly in the past)01:46
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* lardman wonders how pistachio nuts escape from almost closed shells....01:46
lcukget the data and look01:46
lcukyou havent got a timing subband in the data do you ;)01:47
lardmanyeah, am writing it now, just a bit bored creating the correlation masks01:47
lardmanno, if only :)01:47
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lcukwheres the data stream coming from?01:47
lcukcos 100k frames is a lot01:47
lcuk(if you dont mind)01:47
lardmanthe wonders of video, it assumes you need ~25fps, but the system needs some time to settle between freq changes01:48
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* javispedro hopes osso-g-s is not invoking my callback with a value whose definition is not on the public headers......... yes. ah... *sigh*.01:49
lardmannot a problem anyway, just wondering idly01:49
lardmanjavispedro: well are you really surprised? ;)01:49
lcukahhh only an hour of vid (at 25)01:50
lcuksoon adds up!01:50
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lardmananyone know what the UK minimum wage is?01:53
lcuk    *   £5.73 per hour for workers aged 22 years and older01:53
lcuk    * A development rate of £4.77 per hour for workers aged 18-21 inclusive01:53
lcuk    * £3.53 per hour for all workers under the age of 18, who are no longer of compulsory school age01:53
lardmanAh, I knew it, Luke been out earning his keep? ;)01:54
lcukhes under school age01:54
lcuki was wondering if you were hankering for a rise01:54
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lardmanso you can charge more for his work as it's illegal?01:54
lcukhes just come back from 3 day mission01:54
lardmannah, my wife is short staffed at work, and stressed, so I said I'd go in and help her, but I want to be paid! :D01:55
lcukstartin to miss us now, txts are more frequent and calls etc01:55
lcukyou have a heart of gold dude :)01:55
lardmanwell not having an angry and stressed wife is worth a pay cut (and it's holiday anyway) :)01:56
lardmanthough it's pretty tight for that sort of money!01:56
lcukanything is worth not having an angry and stressed wife01:56
lcukright, last try at something before bed01:57
lcukgnite folks, have fun \o01:58
lardmannight night01:58
lcukdont work too hard simon01:58
lardmannah, going to hit the sack soon01:58
lcukwhats it done to you!01:58
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lardmanam also going to head for bed02:10
lardmannight all02:10
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camahuetoanyone can help me with reflashing mi N810?04:10
camahuetoI can't do it following the instructions in wiki.maemo.org04:11
camahuetoI don't know if it got something to do with the fact that I'm already using the latest version of diablo04:13
camahuetoAnd I'm triying to reflash to that same version04:13
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Macerhad a bit of a hiccup with gentoo04:22
Macerand i think when i wake up the day after tomorrow04:22
Macerit will be all done haha04:23
camahuetoWell, it seems there isn't anyone around here04:27
camahuetoI mean not many people04:28
kfx20:08 < camahueto> I can't do it following the instructions in wiki.maemo.org04:32
kfxwe're going to need more information than this before we can offer any advice04:32
camahuetoI was waiting for some reaction04:33
camahuetoI tried to install an app and got out of memory04:33
camahuetoI tried to erase the files04:33
camahuetousing the command line and there was no answer04:33
camahuetoso I reboot the device04:34
camahuetoand now It keeps rebooting04:34
camahuetoso I wanted to reflash04:34
camahuetoI followed the instructions on
camahuetoin Kubuntu Jaunty04:35
camahuetoand every single time I tried04:35
camahuetowith the n810 in usb mode (I can't remember the name now, but with the usb icon on the top right corner)04:36
camahuetothe Nokia logo just turned black&white04:36
camahuetoand reboot (exiting the usb mode)04:37
kfxlet's take this from the top04:37
kfxare you ready to walk through the process now?04:37
camahuetowhile the terminal stops the process04:37
camahuetowhen says: Version of 'sw-release': <no version>04:37
camahuetowithout saying anything else04:37
camahuetothe complete exit of the terminal is: USB device found found at bus 002, device address 03704:38
camahuetoFound device RX-44, hardware revision 080504:38
camahuetoNOLO version 1.1.1604:38
camahuetoVersion of 'sw-release': <no version>04:38
camahuetoI'm ready04:39
kfxthe n810 is off, correct?04:39
camahuetoit is04:39
kfxmake sure it's not plugged in to charge04:39
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camahuetoit is not04:39
kfxthen connect it via usb without turning it on04:39
camahuetoit's connected04:40
camahuetoand it's off04:40
kfxopen a root prompt in a terminal04:40
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kfxhere's the command you want to run04:41
kfx./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R04:41
camahuetoI runned the same without the f04:41
camahuetosorry without the -F04:42
camahuetoand happened what I just described04:42
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camahuetoand when I did tried with the -F04:42
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camahuetoit said: RX-44_Diablo_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: No such file or directory04:42
zerojayPCYeah, you need to download that.04:42
camahuetobut when I run it without the -F04:43
camahuetoit says: Suitable USB device not found, waiting04:43
kfxok that doesn't matter04:43
zerojayPCYou're trying to reflash, correct?04:43
camahuetoI need another image?04:43
zerojayPCDownload that file. do not run it without the -F.04:43
kfxyou need to run that command precisely04:43
camahuetoand I got the file04:44
kfxandc when you get suitable device not found, waiting04:44
camahuetowhen I run it without the -F04:44
kfxthen you hold the home key and turn on the device04:44
zerojayPCMake sure the case matches.04:44
camahuetoyeah, I'm sure it matches04:44
zerojayPCAnd that you have the file in the same directory as the flasher.04:44
kfxwhen you run it without -F it doesn't work04:45
kfxthis should be a hint04:45
zerojayPCTry this: ./flasher-3.0-static -F ./RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R04:45
zerojayPCTry this: ./flasher-3.0-static -F ./RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R <--- you might be missing the .bin at the end.04:45
camahuetoit's the same with or without the .bin04:47
camahueto(but with the -F before)04:47
zerojayPCYou're doing this from a Linux machine, right?04:47
camahuetonot such file or directory04:47
camahuetokubuntu jaunty04:47
camahuetoto be more precise04:47
zerojayPCThen you simply don't have the correct image.. or you need to fix the command to match the file you have downloaded.04:48
zerojayPCWhere did you get your image from?04:48
camahuetoin fact I flashed it with that image04:48
camahuetoand I got the last one04:49
zerojayPCAnd does 'ls RX*.bin' show anything?04:49
camahuetoI will try redownloading the image04:50
zerojayPCI'd recheck the command as well.04:50
zerojayPCIt looks correct though.04:50
camahuetoyeah, In fact I have tried it before04:50
camahuetowith the -F04:51
camahuetobut I just don't know what happens04:51
camahuetoand I will redownload the flasher too04:51
camahuetoand tell you what happens04:51
camahuetoin which distro are you?04:51
zerojayPCArchLinux, but I've done the flashing across Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Slackware, Yellow Dog and a few others. Never a problem.04:52
camahuetojust because of this thread
camahuetowhich shows problems in Ubuntu too04:52
kfxyou're getting flasher-3.0-static, right04:52
Macerthe saga continues04:52
Macerwu tang04:52
Macer"-DVENDOR_RELEASE=(((1) * 10000000) + ((5) * 100000) + ((3) * 1000) + 0)"04:53
zerojayPCAre you holding down the swap button until it is found?04:53
Macerwow. doesn't that look serious?04:53
Macerwonder why the +0 at the end :)04:53
Macerthat is some ugly looking math if that's what it is04:54
camahuetoas a matter of fact, I tried the dapper version of the flasher after static didn't work, and It told me that I needed to use a newer version04:55
Macerwhy couldn't it just be (1*10000000) + (5*100000) + (3*1000)04:55
camahuetoI'm holding the swap button04:55
camahuetoand it got into usb mode04:56
camahuetoand in fact something happens in the device, because the screen turns black&white for a second04:56
camahuetoand then reboots to normal mode04:56
zerojayPCThat's not good. Weird.04:58
camahuetodon't tell me04:59
camahuetoin the meantime I'm the proud owner of a piece of aluminium that doesn't work at all05:00
zerojayPCHonestly, I don't know.05:00
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camahuetothanks anyway05:01
Macerthis keyboard05:01
Macerhas lasted a VERY long time off some batteries05:01
Macerit's been like months05:02
Maceri kind of like debian on this pc tho :)05:02
Macerat least i can run kde4.3 heh05:02
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camahuetoI think I will try reflashing it tomorrow using the windows version05:06
camahuetoof the update tool05:06
camahuetoand does anyone knows is there is a problem when I downgrade?05:07
camahuetousing the diablo 4 image05:10
camahuetothe same happens05:10
camahuetoso it seems is a problem with the flasher05:10
camahuetoor the os05:10
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camahuetogood night05:11
camahuetothanks all05:11
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divide_by_zerohi. does anybody know if I can write a python program usnig the gstreamer library to process the signal? Actually change the value of samples? (pixels or audio...)05:57
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timeless_mbp¿hay alguien aquí que puede habla español?06:04
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divide_by_zeroyo hablo "portuñol" :]06:11
timeless_mbpir al
timeless_mbplee: Ingrese 3 a 32 caracteres. El nombre de usuario sólo puede contener números, '.', '-' y '_'.06:13
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divide_by_zerohmmm en portugués diz Introduza entre 3 e 32 caracteres. O nome de utilizador só pode conter letras, números, '.', '-' e '_'.06:20
divide_by_zeropodemos usar letras também! ;)06:21
timeless_mbpsolomente si su no habla espanol en las americas!06:22
divide_by_zerote tratam como se fosse apenas um número!! ;)06:24
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Macerfinally got X in gentoo08:17
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divide_by_zerowhat WM do you use? :]08:31
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Macerdivide_by_zero: i'm about to try matchbox08:34
Macersince it's actually meant for this sort of thing08:35
Maceri dunno tho.. i might install a few of them08:35
Macerjust to find out which works best08:35
Macerlord knows i'm not using the mer ui :)08:35
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StsN810you still owe me a beer though, - building gentoo and installing matchbox in a fit of rage over maemo does qualify as insanity :P08:37
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Maceri wouldn't call it a fit of rage :)08:38
MacerStsN810: use matchbox for mer :-P08:38
Maceror is that what you are using?08:38
StsN810we do use matchbox, silly08:38
StsN810we're switching to fvwm prolly though08:38
Maceri see08:39
Maceryou are using a modded matchbox i'm guessing?08:39
Maceri'm just asking because i'm curious as to what it comes with on its own08:39
StsN810patched but fixes only08:39
StsN810a wm's a wm08:40
Maceri mean how would stock matchbox run apps? :)08:40
StsN810app launcher08:40
Macerso it's the hildon stuff that is messed up?08:40
Macerwell. let me go and play with it a bit. i'm sure i can read up on it and if all else fails then i'll use fluxbox08:40
Macerthat might work well as a portable wm08:40
Macerit's rather lightweight and easy to configure08:41
StsN810still qualifies as insanity.. how did you end up here from wanting to build on device? insanity. ;)08:41
Macernot really build08:42
Maceri wanted the device to act mor elike a computer and less like a tablet08:42
Macerthe real goal is to use it for actual office work where i can type and print08:42
Macerwell.. school work really :)08:43
Maceri can bust out my su8w and type a paper on the n810 and save it as an opendoc and just mosey into a supported wifi ap with a printer and just print it straight off the tablet08:43
Macerthese are the things i would expect mer to focus on .. otherwise it will have no appeal to the masses08:43
Macerit will just be a fany boy toy08:44
Macerif maemo4 could have done this (which was possible considering cups was supported quite a while ago) maybe the device would have more support than it does now08:45
Macerhands down it beats a lot of what is out there with its net access08:45
Maceran user interface is great08:45
Macerit's just missing small features (like printing) which coudl have made it a powerhouse08:46
Macerespecially with tear being able to render almost everything08:46
StsN810sigh, we do focus on the computer part, you aren't looking close enough08:47
Macerheh. well. i'm sure that's true08:47
Macerbut if i should have to look for it.. then it is hard to accept08:48
Macerwith mer all i really expected was to get into the ui.. and be able to set up the wifi in the ui08:48
Macerand that wasn't possible with the default 0.15 install08:48
Macerbecause of a bug in the ui that doesn't allow you to edit the network08:48
Maceryou'd probably be doing better if you didn't default enterance into the ui for now08:49
StsN810bug in network manager -and- ui. it's fixed now08:49
Macerand kept people in the console08:49
StsN810now you sound like you'd want a freerunner instead08:49
Macernot true08:50
Macerif mer's ui was working a little better08:50
Macerthen i'd use it ;)08:50
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pupnikthis must be Macer's first experience with something that's "in-development"08:50
Macerbut right now it isn't. mer would be more appealing if it were just considered a "bare ubuntu install" and allowed users who want to use it to install a different ui since the mer one isn't done yet08:51
Macerand have your install page give suggestions on pkgs they can install08:51
Macerand allow them to look at yours so they can try it out08:51
Macerand let them know it is very immature and a work in progress08:51
Macereither that or wait til it's done :) but by then joe user (who probably wouldnt swap off maemo anyways) would be left with a sour taste08:52
pupnikMacer: the cool kids don't yammer for days about bugs that have already been fixed08:52
Macerpupnik: hehe08:52
StsN810macer, bare ubuntu install is a disaster. we tried that with deblet.08:53
Maceri'm not yammering about it08:53
StsN810yes you are08:53
Macer:) oh. sorry. didn't mean to do that.. was just really making a suggestion08:53
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StsN810you stated your view several times, how about you stop yammering and give us time to fix the problems instead of constantly having these pointless discussions with you?  did you ever report the bugs you found? no.08:55
Macerin my defense i didn't state the "console only" pov earlier ;)08:56
StsN810and reporting by complaining in channel is not a bug report. you stating users have to go through console to install is ridicolous.08:57
Macersorry. wasn't saying it to be spiteful or anything, i was only making a suggestion.08:58
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Luke-JrStsN810: you got something about Gentoo? :P08:59
StsN810and out of touch with any reality but the 80s :)08:59
StsN810luke-jr, gentoo users don't target same type of users as us09:00
Macerthere's a pda flag?09:00
divide_by_zeroI hope N900 feels mora like my old PDP-1109:00
StsN810you have your niche, we have ours09:01
Luke-JrStsN810: but you called our niche insane :/09:02
* pupnik still has fat muscular fingers from the VT-100 "Bat-Terminals"09:02
pupniki think they wanted to slow typing down by pure physical resistance to keypresses09:03
Maceri wonder what the pda flag does09:03
Macerall it says in the desc is "adds pda support"09:03
Macer:) that's kind of vague09:03
StsN810luke-jr, it's as insane as me spending so much time on Mer09:03
StsN810same symptom09:04
StsN810we just decided to try and fix things09:04
MacerLuke-Jr: can you make an unofficial install tarball for gentoo?09:04
Macernot you personally09:05
Luke-JrMacer: wtf do you think the stage3 was?09:05
Macera minimal install09:05
Maceri only wonder if it is possible to build one with all the n8x0 suppor built in09:06
Macerand to also have one with X prebuilt09:06
Luke-Jrblame Nokia.09:06
Luke-Jrthat, yes.09:06
Luke-Jrbut bin pkgs work just fine IMO09:06
Macerwhy no n8x0 stuff? lic?09:07
Macerah ok09:07
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divide_by_zerohow do I use the microphone as a gstreamer source?09:09
Macerblah screw it. let me go ahead and use this "pda" flag and see what it does09:10
Macermaybe it stops windows from flying off the screen or something :)09:10
Macerhow bad are kde apps outside of kde? :)09:11
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Macerdo they still suck up the entire n810?09:11
Luke-JrI wouldn't know.09:12
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Macerok :) tnx09:13
slonopotamusMacer, i think 'pda' flag will build kpilot :)09:13
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Macerslonopotamus: hehe. in matchbox? :)09:14
slonopotamusdunno then09:14
Macerkpilot sounds interesting09:14
Macermaybe later09:14
Maceri still have 12G to play with09:15
Macerand X works09:15
slonopotamushehe. usb host mode and connect palm to n810? :D09:15
Macertwm ftw09:15
Macerhell yeah haha09:15
Maceri'd get a palm just for that :) ... just to feel redundant09:15
Maceri'm building matchbox now09:16
slonopotamusi gave my m505 to wife. she uses it to read books09:16
Macerthen once this all works.. i think i'm going to copy my SD somewhere for safe keeping09:16
Macerand work on the sound09:16
Macerjust in case i break it :)09:16
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Macerhaha. that's it? amazon has this book reading thing taht's supposed to be very good and it has a built in hspda modem for like $500 or something like that to buy books online while on the move09:17
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Macerthe hspda service is "free" though ;)09:17
sarowerhow i can use text input field with a dialog..?09:18
slonopotamusi bought that palm for $30...09:18
Macermight not even be hspda.. probably slower stuff if it's just for books09:18
Macerslonopotamus: oh09:18
sarowerfor applet in maemo sdk 5 beta209:18
Macerwell. yeah.. i guess that's a little cheaper :)09:18
slonopotamusyeah, a bit09:18
Stskeepssarower: reading the manual for Gtk/Hildon probably09:18
Macerah well. i'm going to get some sleep while this last thing builds.. see.. only took a day of total building time :)09:19
Maceronly reason it took as long as it did was because one build failed while i was asleep and i expected everything to be fine09:19
slonopotamusMacer, 400mhz isn't so bad :)09:20
Macerslonopotamus: re-installiung expat didn't seem to do the trick09:20
Maceri had to symlink the lib to the "wrong dir" to get libXft to build09:20
Maceremerge -v1 expat09:21
Maceri tried that. didn't seem to work .. libXft still tried to find it in the /usr/arm.../usr/lib dir09:21
slonopotamusgrep /usr/lib/*.la for that wrong path and rebuild packages with those files. i somehow screwed stage a bit09:21
Macerso i just made a symlink to /usr/lib there09:21
Macerso it was just a symlink problem in the dir itself?09:22
slonopotamusi thought it only affected expat09:22
Macerlike i said. it seemed faster just to symlink the wrong directory to where it was looking for it09:23
Macerit affects more?09:23
slonopotamusMacer, that path came from crosscompiling env. dunno how09:23
Maceroh ok. well. i'll fix the symlinks soon09:23
slonopotamusgrep /usr/arm /usr/lib/*.la09:23
Maceroh. that's it?09:24
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slonopotamusMacer, what does grep find?09:24
Macer/usr/lib/' /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/ -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/lib /usr/lib/ -lz /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/ /usr/lib/ -ldl'09:25
Macer/usr/lib/' /usr/lib/ -lz /usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/ -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/lib'09:25
Macerprobably finds all that because i symlinked the dir09:25
Macerno big deal :)09:25
slonopotamusno. because you built them with screwed expat09:25
Macerwell. yeah that too09:25
Macerbut it should be a big problem09:25
Maceras long as i keep the symlink :)09:26
slonopotamusah, ln -s /usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/lib /usr/lib ?09:26
divide_by_zeroit seems I always lose my rtcomm configuration, it keeps bringing up the 'make call" when I pop out the camera. is this a known issue? (it's the beta... :/ )09:26
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slonopotamusi should reupload fixed stage i think09:26
slonopotamusyou can edit those la files manually09:27
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Macergentoo-embedded doesn't fall under gentoo's bug reporting does it?09:29
Macerit's "unsupported" ?09:29
slonopotamusMacer, gentoo-embedded is just a subproject, like gentoo-java, for ex. use official bugzilla but before making sure bug isn't n8x0-specific. just specify 'arm' as arch.09:30
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: IKEA catalogue.. dear god09:31
qwerty12_N810It was for testing!09:31
qwerty12_N810You won't believe how well seeded those things are...09:32
Stskeepsyou should have done the typical nerd thing and post screenshots accidentially of torrenting midget porn or something09:32
Stskeepsyeah, those people scare me09:32
qwerty12_N810IKEA catalogue not geek enough? =)09:32
Stskeepsfor girls i guess ;)09:32
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divide_by_zeroIKEA catalog = girl pr0n09:33
divide_by_zeroallright, managed to hear myself talking with gstreamed... one step closer to my NIT vocoder!!09:34
divide_by_zerogood night09:34
qwerty12_N810It was either that or the weird torrents found at
Stskeeps"richard stallman closeups"? ;)09:36
qwerty12_N810legaltorrents - could almost be an oxymoron09:36
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qwerty12_N810It's all about the BSD Daemon!09:37
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slonopotamus_Macer, btw. of course it works! don't you think we were lying to everyone here about gentoo on NITs?09:46
Stskeepsyou're not lying? :o09:47
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slonopotamus_Stskeeps, insaaaaane! :D09:51
Maceri'll pull out another SD and install mer on it for side by side screen shots09:52
Maceri did think that X would take a week though. it really didn't take that long at all09:53
Macerhonestly i think i was a lot more happy when Luke-Jr put his keymap on the repo :)09:53
Macerconsole ftw09:53
Macerslonopotamus_: anybody ever consider making an ncurses based console kb for n800s? :)09:54
Macerhave a little qwerty on the bottom with letters/numbers and have it semi-split-screen so you can type in the console with the dpad and middle button09:55
slonopotamus_Macer, ncurses vkb? no09:55
Maceri mean it would take a year to do anything09:55
Macerbut at least you can use it without the n810s qwerty heh09:55
slonopotamus_Macer, i fixed wifi docs based on what we talked yesterday:
Maceryou might want to make a "Full Setup" page10:00
Macerin case people want to install everything ;)10:00
Macerbecuase if you go step by step through the various hardware you wind up adding use flags and having to rebuild the n8x0 stuff10:00
slonopotamus_just open several pages :P10:00
slonopotamus_n8x0-env is just empty package whose main purpose is pulling proper deps10:01
Maceryeah but having a one shot install that you can just leave sitting there and go on vacation for a week and come back when it's done would be cool :)10:04
Macerlike. once i get the sound and printing working10:04
Maceri'm not going to touch it for years haha10:05
Macerand the bt keyboard but i'm sure that's not too hard10:05
StskeepsLuke-Jr: sound works oob on ordinary kernel for you? :P10:05
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JaffaMorning, all10:09
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Stskeepsmorning Jaffa10:14
slonopotamusJaffa, morm10:14
infobotslonopotamus meant: Jaffa, morn10:14
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Macerhm. let me watch the half blood prince10:15
Maceri don't even like harry potter movies10:15
Macerthe author of harry potter said the leader of harry's school was supposed to be homosexual :) some guy in australia had a giant tattoo of him on his back that he got for his children :) wow that must have sucked10:16
JaffaMacer: Why would it suck?10:19
lirijust thinking out loud here... was the option of an app-store for the n810 ever considered?10:19
Macerwell. :) most straight men dont get giant rainbows across their back10:19
Stskeepsliri: probably several times10:19
JaffaMacer: Is the headmaster (name is Dumbledore) now not suitable for children if the author's intent was for him to be gay?10:19
slonopotamusliri, why?10:19
MacerJaffa: didn't say that10:19
Stskeepsliri: the inherit problem is piracy as linux is too open to avoid it :)10:19
Macerjust thought it must have sucked for the guy to have a giant gay man across his back :)10:19
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JaffaMacer: that statement could be misread if we didn't know we were talking about tattoos ;-)10:20
liriwell I think that there is certainly a place for such store10:21
MacerJaffa: haha10:21
Maceryeah. it was a tattoo10:21
lirione example is the PIM app10:21
lirithe forum(s) are continually swamped with requests for such apps, some with ms exchange sync, some with google sync, etc...10:22
lirithe current options do not satisfy most of us10:22
slonopotamusliri, ppl who deliberately chose linux, are very unlikely to but any software.10:22
liriI'd be happy to pay a good app10:22
Stskeepsslonopotamus: mobile devices is a different gameplay though10:22
infobotslonopotamus meant: liri, ppl who deliberately chose linux, are very unlikely to buy any software.10:22
slonopotamusStskeeps, no10:22
lirislonopotamus: I don't agree.10:23
Jaffaliri: Someone *had* a paid PIM app. They don't sell it anymore (AFAIK)10:23
Stskeepseven though i do enjoy open source, i will gladly pay for a good app10:23
lirislonopotamus: I think you're missing the concept of "free" :)10:23
liriStskeeps: ofcourse we will10:23
Jaffaliri: And being *willing* to pay, and having the developers available to develop it so that you *can* pay aren't the same.10:23
Stskeepsespecially since i know very well that it costs to be a developer10:23
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slonopotamusStskeeps, don't tell be about ringtones and j2me apps, pls :)10:24
liriStskeeps: open source has nothing to do with money10:24
Jaffaliri: It's worth bearing in mind that Maemo 5 will have some kind of calendar app OOTB (AFAWCT)10:24
Stskeepsslonopotamus: i said good apps..10:24
Stskeepsliri: i know that - people keep on forgetting nothing stops people from selling open source :P10:24
liriStskeeps: yeah10:24
Jaffaliri: This is similar to a recent discussion on
Stskeepsexcept it's not really a sustainable business model10:25
liriStskeeps: sure it is10:25
Jaffaliri: If the app's open source and it's trivial to rebuild it, someone will and offer it for free10:26
JaffaThe only way that works is if there's a suitably large barrier to entry (such as the App Store fee for iPhone, or complicated builds of Linux stuff on Windows)10:26
Stskeepsthe question is however if people will pay gladly to support upstream development10:26
liriwell, I do believe so10:28
liriI really don't have the time to get into it right now. I just wanted to know if this idea was ever considered10:29
Stskeepsyes, obviously :)10:29
pupniktranslator for maemo.  with OCR from webcam.10:29
pupnikwho want build10:30
StskeepsMyrtti: ping10:30
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slonopotamuscan someone calculate crc32 for me, plz?10:34
slonopotamusdata: 'ask:mmc1' (without quotes)10:34
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slonopotamusoh, no, 'ask:mmc1\0'10:35
pupnikCRC-32 0x7C36E41F10:37
pupnik\0&method=ascii   On-line CRC calculation and free library10:38
pupniki couldn't find it for linux.  bsd 'sum' can do it iirc10:38
MyrttiStskeeps: pong10:39
slonopotamus\0 is one symbol...10:39
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slonopotamus matches what i get. but libcal gets 0xde2e7ade somehow :(10:41
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Jaffaslonopotamus: Might libcal be working with a reversed string?10:44
Jaffaslonopotamus: Of course, you can't put the NUL in in a URL...10:44
slonopotamusJaffa, that would be insane10:45
Jaffaandrew@serenity:~$ for i in '' '-r' '-s'; do echo -e 'ask:mmc1\0' | sum $i; done10:45
Jaffa14767     110:45
Jaffa14767     110:45
Jaffa753 110:45
Jaffa'-r' and '-s' choose between BSD or SysV implementations10:46
slonopotamusno, not reverse10:49
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Jaffaslonopotamus: Ah, hang on. For 'ask:mmc1<NUL>', cfv gives ac342ff510:50
Stskeepsslonopotamus: CRC of whole block maybe? :P10:50
slonopotamusStskeeps, there are separate data_crc and hdr_crc10:50
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slonopotamusJaffa, forget that, no \0. length is 8, no null terminator10:51
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Jaffaslonopotamus: OK, for just 'ask:mmc1', cfv gives 67692c19 as the CRC-3210:51
slonopotamus... that online tool gave 0xbb0ca5b7, what matches to what i get here :/10:52
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slonopotamusi hope they didn't xor it with smth magical :)10:54
Stskeepsbig endian or little endian?10:54
slonopotamusStskeeps, unsigned10:54
slonopotamusproper crc32 doesn't depend on endianness10:55
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zakkmmwhats the update on TI accelerated driver?10:59
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Stskeepsstill waiting11:00
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zakkmmstskeeps: waiting on who, and do we know and its just a matter of waiting or?11:06
Stskeepsit's pretty much inside the nokia black box so we only know when quim/etc announces anything or tells us11:07
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zakkmmquim works for nokia?11:07
timeless_mbpuh huh11:07
Stskeepsyeah, obviously :)11:07
timeless_mbpis this  ashock?11:07
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Stskeepsthere's even several nokia employees in here and subcontractors11:08
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timeless_mbphe doesn't do a very good job of hiding his employer (imo)11:08
zakkmmsorry guys. typing from tablet in easy mer. my mac partiton slowly broke so am reinstalling11:09
timeless_mbp"easy mer"?11:09
timeless_mbpis that different from normal mer?11:10
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: chroot approach from within Maemo11:10
zakkmmruns from chroot in maemo. by qole11:10
zakkmmgives me thumb keyboard ;p11:10
timeless_mbpStskeeps: i need to replace 'Stable' with 'Unstable'?11:11
Stskeepsno, Devel11:11
StskeepsStable with Devel, that is11:11
Maceruh oh11:11
zakkmmmer is awesome with xcompmgr -cC :P11:11
slonopotamusIf the stream argument is NULL, fflush() flushes all open output streams.11:12
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Macerit is building gtk11:12
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zakkmmhey Macer11:12
zakkmmdid it finish compiling?11:13
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Macerit just started11:13
* Macer goes to work11:14
Macershould be done in a few hrs11:14
zakkmmi dont get why you guys didnt do binhost. all tabletts are the same11:14
Macerdown to 11G11:14
zakkmmsounds like u need a bigger one ;p11:15
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Macerfrom 1411:15
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slonopotamusMacer, gtk... for matchbox stuff?11:16
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Macerit is a matchbox dep11:17
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Macerim still in the console11:18
Macermight try fennec later11:19
Macerinstead of an all out browser11:19
zakkmmmacer; wouldntt that be slow?11:21
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timeless_mbpsomeone could tell qgil that Maemo Software doesn't exist anymore ;-)11:22
* timeless_mbp grumbles11:22
timeless_mbpStskeeps: Mer is refusing to use my network11:22
* timeless_mbp kicks network manager11:23
Macerawwww, she is jealous because the ginger boy found another girl11:25
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: x86?11:25
Macertimeless_mbp: adhoc?11:25
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: virtualbox gets a bit weird at times yeah11:25
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: verify your bridging is correct11:25
Stskeepsmine is bridged to wifi for example11:26
timeless_mbpi have 2 configured for Mer11:26
timeless_mbpbridging to WiFi is only configured for w711:26
linuxeventuallyis down?11:26
timeless_mbpone is NAT and one is, i can't remember11:26
X-Fadelinuxeventually: for me it is.11:26
Macerim not much of a potter fan11:26
Macerbjt this last movie is pretty funny11:27
linuxeventuallyyeah I checked downforeveryoneorjustme. hopefully they are upgrading the servers or something useful11:27
qwerty12_N810Wouldn't bet on it... :\ it has been down quite a few times recently11:28
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linuxeventuallyback up11:59
linuxeventuallyand yeah pages were loading very slowly right before not at all11:59
linuxeventually"maemo effect"? (;12:00
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zakkmmanyone get one of those mugen batteries?12:02
zakkmmsuper long battery life batteries12:02
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Maceris it like a 50000mah n810 battery?12:03
aquatixyep, comes with a backpack12:03
jannekeapt-get install maemo-sdk wants to install an xserver in my i386 chroot!?12:03
Macerfor zephyr?12:04
jannekehow do i install a working build environment without xserver?12:04
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Maceroh.... wait.... nm12:07
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jannekeughr, this works in some sort of chroot, why not a simple cross compiler setup?12:11
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Macerbecause nokia is evil12:13
zakkmmmaemo is so going to lose os war on tablet. even with fremantle.12:15
Stskeepsjanneke: because build processes often make binaries to help them building12:15
Stskeepsvery simple12:15
jannekeStskeeps: so, compile them with the native CC_FOR_BUILD?12:16
jannekewhat a mess12:16
jannekei still don't see why i need an xserver in my lenny.i386 chroot, which setups another chroot ;-)12:17
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Stskeepsjanneke: yeah.. well, that's what i said until i started trying to get standard debian packages rolling on a cross-compilation environment12:18
inzsimple and cross compiler setup don't really fit in the same sentence12:22
jannekehmm, so everyone and their aunt is creating monstrous solutions *or* rolls their own, because debian has problems cross compiling their packages?12:22
jannekeinz: here's our simple cross compiler solution:
jannekebut it would be nice to use debian packages...12:23
lcukzakkmm, what war12:24
Stskeepsjanneke: sb2 is saner in some respects12:24
lcukand for battle, it helps if you have the right munitions12:24
lcukwe have people like stskeeps aroundwho is a lvl 80 mage12:24
zakkmmos war on tablet. ;p12:26
Stskeepsno such thing12:26
lcukzakkmm, not really12:27
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Macerlike Hiitler trying to convince Germans that they are winning the war12:28
wazdheya all12:29
* lcuk facepalms12:29
lcukhiya wazd12:29
zakkmmhey wazd12:29
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* lcuk throws a 2d tablet like a frisbee @ zakkmm and lops his head off12:31
timeless_mbpandre__: ping12:31
jannekeStskeeps: i would guess that if sb2 would be unsaner in *every* aspect, it would not have been considered :-P12:32
* timeless_mbp chuckles12:32
timeless_mbpjanneke: your logic doesn't work12:32
timeless_mbpif sb2 is cheaper than paying someone to maintain sb112:33
timeless_mbpand if sb2 is insane in every aspect, sb2 could still be picked12:33
timeless_mbpcost isn't really an aspect of sanity for a package12:33
* janneke is really ignorant here-- was thinking of simple cross build packages and setup instead of sb* ;-)12:34
* timeless_mbp looks for the 12 step program guide12:34
timeless_mbp> Step 1, admitting the problem exists12:34
timeless_mbpyou're off to a good start :)12:34
* timeless_mbp pokes andre__ 12:35
Macerwhat a shitty ending12:37
Macerat least it's not like watching a children's cartoon anymore12:37
Macerthe harry potter movie12:40
Macerthat was actually not a bad movie :)12:40
Macerand i hate harry potter movies12:41
Macerbut i didn't have anything else to watch12:41
* timeless_mbp has 3 LotR movies to watch12:41
timeless_mbp(plus an entire dvd library)12:41
timeless_mbp(mostly unopened)12:41
Maceri really wasn't too into lotr either12:41
timeless_mbpwell, isn't that what dvds are for? to sit on shelves looking pretty?12:42
timeless_mbpwe'll see, my sister is visiting in 2 days12:42
Macerthat's what blu rays are for12:42
Macerdvds are to prove you just couldn't move on :)12:42
* timeless_mbp rotfl12:42
Macerlike VHS tapes (or betamax)12:42
timeless_mbpi'm not sure i have a single blueray player12:42
Macerblu ray shows class ;)12:43
Maceralong with plasma televisions all over your walls12:43
Macerlike a 52" that just goes through your photo album in the dining room12:43
Macerhaha.. bbl12:43
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suihkulokkiradiators.. I don't need no steenkin radiators... I have plasma tv's to keep my apartment warm!12:47
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zakkmmwould it be a bad idea to always be in otg mode?12:54
andre__timeless_mbp, pong12:55
timeless_mbpandre__: i don't suppose i could get you to verify a bug? :)12:56
* timeless_mbp sighs12:56
* timeless_mbp needs to go shopping12:56
andre__where, what?12:56
lcuki put bets on food shopping at the local supermarket12:57
timeless_mbpit might be impractical, you might not have the necessary prereq, or interest, in which case, don't worry about it12:57
timeless_mbpsadly, i don't have the prereqs either12:57
Jaffazakkmm: OTG mode is the default, so "no".13:01
zakkmmoh hah. i mean the one where usb keyboards work just bought one of those bendable ones off ebay.13:03
Jaffazakkmm: You mean "host" mode?13:03
JaffaIt probably keeps the hardware chip active more than it needs to be, so it might not be wise.13:03
* Jaffa is just guessing tho'13:03
zakkmmwish i bought a n810.13:04
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lcukotg mode is default isnt it13:04
lcukand host mode is for regular usb components13:05
lcukand if people thought it was fully hostable usb they would try to run toasters and tvs and humping dogs off it13:05
zakkmmlcuk: Ah. can i always be in host?13:05
lcuki dunno, but if you have a rollup keyboard, isnt it otg compatible?13:05
zakkmmis it?13:06
lcuki was under the impression most "otg" components were ummm otg marked13:06
lcuktry it13:06
zakkmmwould ebay linking help?13:06
lcuknot really13:06
zakkmmi didnt recieve yet 10-14 days hah13:06
zakkmmfrom hongkong to canada13:06
lcukdoes it come iwht the correct mini micro13:06
Jaffazakkmm: Switching between them is pretty trivial. There are apps and even statusbar applets if you're doing it correctly. If it's got the correct USB OTG plug, the N8x0 will auto-switch13:07
zakkmmno. i got a f to f adapter tho from months bak.13:07
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zakkmmi doubt it for that price13:08
lcukthe plug doesnt have to be gold plated, its just a wiring up difference13:08
zakkmmbut its not a tablet accessory.13:09
zakkmmits for pc.13:09
lcukonly experience with osb hostmode i had was with my big keyboard13:23
lcukand it worked perfectly and sat below the 100ma13:23
lcukbut when i chorded multitple keys, the powerdrain took it over 100ma (i think) and it crashed13:23
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lcuki said bollocks to it and got an apple bt mini13:24
zakkmmhah lcuk wish i could afford that.13:25
timeless_mbplcuk: crashed how?13:27
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lcukwouldnt reboot properly13:33
lcukuntil i popped battery13:33
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lcuklcukive got a usb keyboard thats rated at 100ma, it works if i press one key at a time, if i do chording or make it display all the LEDs it crashes and wont work anymore until a full total battery popping reboot13:35
* timeless_mbp ponders13:35
* timeless_mbp wonders if there's something the hardware can do to avoid that13:36
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lcukrelated to powerdraw and possibly the usb chip itself13:36
javispedromy first palm t|x broke doing that13:38
javispedroup to the point13:38
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javispedrothat the next time I tried to connect it to usb hub (as gadget!)13:38
javispedroit _POWERED_ the other devices on the hub.13:38
lcukheh i did that for about half an hour, it was fun, but impractical lol13:38
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javispedroit was fun to see it powering the usb scanner while all I was trying is to get it to charge.13:39
timeless_mbphello finnish world13:40
timeless_mbpanyone know what a "fitted sheet" would be called?13:40
wazdGuys, small survey :)13:40
wazd <- Is it a good idea? :)13:40
timeless_mbpwazd: i don't like "Detailed"13:40
timeless_mbpit doesn't fit the Fremantle style (which is not a bad thing)13:41
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timeless_mbpand if your target is en-US, "Monday, 16" is wrong13:41
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timeless_mbpScatered isn't a word13:41
wazdtimeless_mbp: I mean overall look of pannable cards? :)13:41
timeless_mbpso... i think mixing tabs and panning for the same orientation is disastrous13:42
wazdtimeless_mbp: And what "detailed" do you mean?13:42
timeless_mbpthe tab after Forecast13:42
wazdtimeless_mbp: oh, tabs are totally fictional13:42
timeless_mbpi review what is ee13:43
timeless_mbps/s e/ se/13:43
infobottimeless_mbp meant: i review what i see13:43
timeless_mbpbut in short, "i like it"13:43
wazdand when you tap the day - you see this:
timeless_mbpwhich might sound funny considering my review, but :)13:43
timeless_mbpETOOSMALL PRINT13:44
timeless_mbpthe icons don't need to be anywhere near that large nor centered above columns13:44
wazdtimeless_mbp: yep, but there'are some problems in fitting it to portrait pop-up13:44
wazdtimeless_mbp: size of the icons doesn't matter much13:45
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timeless_mbpalso, for some reason i wouldn't burry sunrise/sunset at the bottom13:45
timeless_mbp(please don't ask me why)13:45
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lardmanmorning chaps13:55
wazdlardman: heya13:55
lcukhi lardman13:56
lcukwazd, does omweather hold information about previous days13:56
lcuk(that looks really good btw13:56
wazdlcuk: well, that's easy to add13:57
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lcukwell im just thinking, it adds a bit of context and a bit more extension to the panning :)13:57
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guysoft42is there a working mythtv port for maemo?14:12
Jaffawazd: I agree with timelyx, the test on the day popup is far too small. Try and get rid of the labels and use different font sizes, icons & context?14:15
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guysoft42.. should i take that as a 'no'?14:21
wazdJaffa: I have an idea how to make it larger14:24
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Macercan you get an adapter to just plug in a normal usb kb?14:30
Maceroh wait14:30
Macern810 has that funky proprietary usb cable doesnt it?14:31
Macern810 has that funky proprietary usb cable doesnt it?nm14:31
Macerdamn g114:31
wazdMacer: it has micro USB I guess14:32
wazdMacer: pretty standard14:32
guysoft42wazd, i googled it, and got the garage project.. but my question was, is there 'a working' port?14:35
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lcuk2hiya zak15:03
lcuk2or maybe not15:03
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lcuk2virgin media broked internet15:08
lcuk2instead of dns failure, im met with
Stskeepshah :P15:09
* qwerty12_N810 could never be with an ISP that has a three strikes policy.15:09
wazdguysoft42: Well, they have v0.4 now, I suppose it should work15:11
GeneralAntillesI recall when VeriSign tried that here.15:11
guysoft42wazd, its not in the repo..15:11
lcuk2qwerty12_N810, i'd like to give 3 strikes to the nincompoop that did that.15:11
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lcuk2it breaks the web and i dont care that its opt out, it simply should not occur - if something cannot be found it should not be found15:12
* lcuk2 vents15:12
lcuk2X-Fade, yeah i know its there, but it then needs configuring on every machine/router thats done there15:14
lcuk2the problem is pervasive15:14
GeneralAntillesFix it at your network level, let other people worry about theirs.15:15
GeneralAntillesThey'll get smacked down soon enough.15:15
lcuk2yeah GeneralAntilles i have15:16
lcuk2but when i get service from an isp, dns is one of those things that comes with it15:16
lcuk2its distriibuted for a reason ;)15:16
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wazdHow you guys imagine a sunrise/sunset icon?15:18
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wazdsun with arrow? :D15:18
lcuk2wazd, there is no difference15:20
lcuk2but i would like to see a harmonic humped arc over the course of the day15:21
lcuk2indicating height of sun15:21
lcuk2and another grey one in right place showin moon15:21
lcuk2but thats just me :$15:21
lcuk2just pale in the background15:21
lcuk2not right, but similar to how im thinking15:22
lcuk2sunrise at  the start of it, sunset at the end15:22
lcuk2maybe wazd, instead - you show a yellow bar in the area between sunrise/sunset labels and stars around the very left/right outide this region15:25
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wazdlcuk2: I've already reworked pop-up :)15:25
lcuk2****** Sunrise 6am  :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:(happy  suns):D:D:D:D:D:D:D sunset 21 ********15:26
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lcuk2wazd you git :P15:32
lcuk2(you are taking blame for my cockup)15:32
lcuk2i just called one of my colleagues wazd15:32
* lardman sits back and watches his creation devour images of numbers and turn them into actual numbers15:33
lcuk2does it make "om nom nom" noises15:33
lardmanmore of a buzz15:33
lcuk2like the noise an old style movie projector makes :D15:34
lardmanyeah, I think that's my speakers though15:34
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lardmanwell that was an interesting bit of programming, I do hope that after that effort the end goal is attainable15:36
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wazdHow about that:
lardmanI think I'd prefer lower humidity15:40
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lcuk2wazd, slight faded bluesky around sunrise and dark with stars around sunset to confirm?15:41
lcuk2looks good tho15:41
lcuk2even tho i could show you pics of sunrise  and sunset and you wouldnt know which was which15:41
lardmanperhaps an arrow above the sun showing direction of movement15:42
lcuk2wazd said that up there ^15:42
lardmanah sorry15:43
lcuk2it might work tho15:44
lardmanor have a red one for the sunset?15:44
lcuk2and since you are 2nd person to say it, i think that might be  a reasonable thing to do15:44
lardmansomeone probably mentioned that too15:44
lcuk2or at least try15:44
lardmanuse a sprite15:45
lardmananimated icon15:45
lcuk2sprites are part of earth atmosphere15:46
lcuk2i didnt think the sun had them15:46
lardmanyeah sorry, it's a Psion term15:46
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lcuk2yeah i know what you meant15:47
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* lcuk2 was in pedantic mode15:47
lardman:) no worries, I need a kick now and again15:47
lcuk2i remember creating 8*8UDG sprites on zx spectrum15:47
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slonopotamuslibopencal causes kernel panic when writes data :)15:52
lcuk2cal as in calibration15:53
lcuk2or calendar?15:53
Stskeepsslonopotamus: not good15:53
slonopotamusStskeeps, blame kernel coders15:54
slonopotamusi was doing write() with len != writesize15:54
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slonopotamusso, theoretically, simple 'echo 123 > /dev/mtd1' should also trigger it :)15:55
slonopotamusnow trying with len == writesize...15:56
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ShadowJKWriting straight to mtd sounds crazy anyway ;-)15:57
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lcuk2anyone with  g1 or anything hardware android, could oyu check what license google maps is released under15:58
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Stskeepsprobably free but with no google service key15:59
wazdlcuk2: lardman: well, screw icons for now, is the font large enough?16:00
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lcuk2wazd, havent got it on device so dont know16:01
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lcuk2looks fine on big display16:01
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lcuk2remind me later ill have a looksee16:01
slonopotamusShadowJK, they call it 'insane' here16:02
slonopotamusso. /me runs open-cal-tool -R ask:mmc116:04
JaffaHmm, *everyone* seems to have missed the point on "help get Maemo 5 into shape" thread -
GeneralAntillesJaffa, well, idiots will be idiots no matter what. ;)16:07
slonopotamusmaemo? into shape? kidding?16:07
Jaffaslonopotamus: helpful16:08
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Stskeepsi really hope eldar's idea of maemo task switcher isn't the one maemo uses, - not because it's not cool, but because not many apps support hibernation..16:09
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Even people which should know better turn it into yet-another-wishlist thread16:09
JaffaStskeeps: From reading the description in the Dev Guide, I'm imaginging Palm Pre/Compiz style thumbnails of the live running app16:09
Stskeepsi kinda like texrat's poll on what people would like to see - sw roadmap is a big thing that we'd like to see more of than Fremantle_Roadmap16:09
qwerty12_N810That's easy: A device :p16:10
VDVsxJaffa, is already a wishlist thread ;)16:10
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lardmanoops, I just replied to that thread16:13
lardmanah well16:13
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VDVsxJaffa, Stskeeps there's a maiku screenshot with some kinda of task switcher/thumbnails of the running app16:15
VDVsxperhaps not the final version :)16:16
JaffaVDVsx: No, those are apparently bookmarks.16:16
VDVsxapp bookmarks ?16:16
qwerty12_N810Y'know, with the leaked pictures of the Rover, you'd have thought that one would've had the sense to turn the bloody thing on!16:17
Stskeepsit's actually a plastic shell16:17
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: details, details ;)16:17
JaffaOnly sold to those under 6 or with a 6 year-old's imagination for playing with an empty box.16:18
JaffaVDVsx: I believe they were web page bookmarks.16:18
VDVsxJaffa, let me check again :)16:18
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lcuk2Stskeeps, which idea?16:19
lcuk2and i like the principle of having apps hibernate to switch :D16:19
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lcuk2then you could hibernate, take battery out16:19
lcuk2and restore16:19
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Redouane75This is a program that will be of great interest to you 2500 radio channels + 850 TV Channels Free! You can view the series as Dallas, Los Simpsons, Pokémon, Scrubs, etc ... But all the available manga !!!!!!!!!!. Try it! Guaranteed spyware free16:19
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qwerty12_N810lcuk2: Hibernation in Diablo doesn't mean that, at least...16:20
Macerdidnt know that was a standard port16:20
Macerthe one on the n81016:20
Macerlooked different than typical usb16:21
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: technically it's supposed to though16:21
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JaffaMacer: It's MicroUSB, rather than MiniUSB. It's a newer standard and the one which has been agreed by all the phone manufacturers in the EU to be the new charging standard16:21
Stskeepson an app level16:21
VDVsxJaffa, ah right, the qaiku thing is a desktop widget it seems :)16:21
JaffaVDVsx: yeah16:22
Macerwhich means the US will find a way to not use it since it is euro16:22
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: Yeah, but I don't think a hibernated app in Diablo is gonna be waiting for you when the battery is taken out ;)16:22
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: it could technically though16:22
Macerit doesnt look very "micro"16:23
Macerit is almost the same size as the mini16:23
ShadowJKit's slimmer16:23
Stskeepsit's supposedly better with otg or something16:23
ShadowJKand compared to usb&miniusb, it has the wear&tear components on the cable's end and not in the device16:23
GeneralAntillesMacer, by "almost", you of course mean "approximately 50% smaller".16:24
GeneralAntillesIt's also significantly more durable.16:24
Meizirkki the screen still works, believe it or not :P16:24
Stskeepsjesus christ16:24
Stskeepsno warranty? :P16:25
jeremiah /c16:25
ShadowJKMeizirkki, don't throw tablet to floor and beat it with a hammer?16:25
Stskeepsthis reminds me of mandelbrot though16:25
StskeepsMeizirkki: i'll keep you in mind next time we get anything donated :P16:25
ShadowJKSomeone gave me a laptop with broken screen, it had impact damage from the centre, so lines like that radiated outwards :)16:25
* Meizirkki is willing to get a touchbook..16:25
ShadowJKMeizirkki, what happened to it?16:25
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qwerty12_N810Meizirkki: I don't even want to know what caused the demise of that screen :p16:26
Meizirkkimy bed is near the sealing and it felt from there16:28
Meizirkki(bunk bed or whatever it's called)16:30
ShadowJKI've dropped my N800 onto the floor from bed a few times, but it's just a regular bed16:30
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Meizirkkii have dropped my n810 couple of times from that bed16:31
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Meizirkkibut now it got enough16:32
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Meizirkkiluckily it's still working16:32
Stskeepswb qwerty12_N81016:32
qwerty12_N810Thank you, Stskeeps16:32
Macerlet me check on the build that never ends heh16:33
Stskeepswebkit? ;p16:34
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ShadowJKin that video from nokia's testing centre in the UK, they only dropped the phones from like hip-height :)16:35
Macergtk was buikding on the n81016:36
Maceri left it at home16:36
Stskeepsah, :P16:36
Macerit is all done16:36
Macergoing to get home and try it out16:37
Macerhope matchbox is easy to set up16:37
Macersounds like it should be16:37
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Macerthen i'll install cups and abiword.. maybe try openoffice haha16:37
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Maceri guess cups has an ebuild problem but i have to be home to fix it so i can install it16:40
Macerdamnit heh16:40
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Macershit. if i can get the sound going i'm going to be one extremely happy camper16:41
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Macerbecause that would be the last piece of the puzzle16:41
lcuk2yeah until the next one16:41
Stskeepsone word: unmute.16:42
Stskeepsthat's all the help you get ;)16:42
Macerwish it were that easy16:42
Macerim pretty sure it is a module thing16:42
Stskeepstrust me, that's the difficult part.16:42
Macernot sure yet16:42
kfxsounds like someone had a bad experience with alsamixer16:42
lcuk2200 piece jigsaw, and i just dropped a piece down between the floorboards16:42
Macerunmute is hard?16:42
Stskeepskfx, no, - fact is we had DSP and everything loaded and we couldn't solve why no sound came out16:43
Stskeepsuntil we realized it was simply unmuted16:43
MacerStskeeps: is there an available 2.21 module?16:43
Stskeepserr, muted16:43
* lcuk2 giggles16:43
StskeepsMacer: what? :P16:43
Stskeepsno help :)16:43
qwerty12_N810...until you get him the beer :p16:43
Macertrying to look at the kernel now16:45
lcuk2it takes more than beer, he wouldnt help his girlfriend until they had consumated his marriage lol16:45
lcuk2so macer, pucker up16:46
Maceri can live without sound ;)16:46
Stskeepslcuk2: my wife, back before we started dating, came with beer and muffins for me.16:46
lcuk2i nearly parsed that sentence incorrectly16:47
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lcuk2your missus is smart, she knows the way to a mans heart is with food16:48
qwerty12_N810lcuk2: Muffins? ;)16:48
Macerthe module should be built already16:49
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* Macer finds it and unmutes16:49
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* qwerty12_N810 stares at lardman (
* javispedro was reading that too.16:55
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Stskeepstalk.* taking an unexpected turn.16:56
javispedrois that what happens when you mix medication and alcohol?16:57
javispedrojust curious ;P16:57
lcuk2ficiton is fun16:57
qwerty12_N810Next: lardman's pimping tales16:57
lcuk2fiction even16:57
* javispedro can't wait to see that "story" on the Onion News Network.16:58
lcuk2used to read often on kuro5hin16:58
lcuk2and theres always amusing postings on slashdot16:58
X-FadeIf he turned that energy into proper documentation for something that is lacking, I would be even more amused ;)16:58
lcuk2do we have fruit machines in maemo?16:58
lcuk2or lottery machines16:59
javispedro"In order to set the default extension for the Hildon FileChooser dialog, you have to send $3000 to the orphaned Linux coders fund".16:59
lcuk2o_O they lowered the donation level17:00
dopperjavispedro: I just loaded up your DrNokSnes. It loads the rom fine but when I tapped the black areas on the outside I couldn't find a start button. Is there documentation for it somewhere?17:01
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javispedrodopper, sorry, the packaging is missing a config file assigning buttons to keyboard keys17:02
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* javispedro renames the file on hist site to DrNokSnes.txt, thanks qwerty for noticing that.17:03
javispedrodopper, put this in ~/apps/17:03
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dopperjavispedro: thanks...this is exciting - it appears to run very well17:06
jeremiahor rather /c17:06
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dopperjavispedro: I just looked at the config bluetooth keyboard required for n800 or should I be able to touch the screen like iNES?17:13
javispedrodopper, ah sorry, I only tried with n810 hw keyboard so far.17:14
javispedrotouch screen is not implemented but plan to do it17:14
dopperok thanks17:14
dopperI have 2 BT KB's to test with17:15
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javispedrothe mapper file is using scancodes to test so I don't know if it'll work17:15
javispedrohope so.17:15
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VDVsxoh lardman congrats :) lol17:20
javispedrodopper, fwiw, this is the mapping on n810:
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dopperjavispedro: thanks. I've got an n800 & 770 so hopefully I can make it work17:25
javispedrothanks for trying :)17:26
dopperI don't have teh turbo mode or enable audio options so I must have an older build from the repositories17:26
javispedroyep, the screenshot is from git17:26
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* javispedro reads this as "Please report any non-Fremantle Maemo applications to Multi-National United. Thanks for your cooperation."17:41
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dopperjavispedro: thanks it works great with the think outside (igo) stowaway bluetooth keyboard on n800 (albeit requiring a more comfortable mapping of keys than the n810 defaults)17:50
javispedrodopper, good to know. I plan to put in a simple mapping editor in the interface (more complex mappings will have to go through the config file)17:51
doppersuper punchout runs nice and smooth17:52
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javispedrowhat's the average framerate (you can see that on the lower left corner)?17:55
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dopper30-32 fps during the game17:59
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dopperI was able to beat gabby jay with the default key bindings but that's not saying much18:00
fureddoI'm trying to use the Application Manager inside scratchbox but the Internet connection doesn't seem to work.  Sounds familiar to someone?18:00
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javispedrofureddo: fremantle? then yes,
fureddojavispedro, diablo18:04
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javispedrocan yo ping from inside sbox?18:04
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fureddoyes.  apt-get works fine.18:05
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wazd_n800more screenshots to come :)18:07
qwerty12_N810Fucking sweet18:07
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wazd_n800He says that n900 is the best device in 2009 :)18:09
kfxis that background blurred in photoshop or is that how it looks on the device18:09
fureddoHmmm...  apt-get works but ping doesn't...18:09
wazd_n800kfx, its device screenshot18:09
kfxand does it use some kind of display compositing to achieve that18:09
wazd_n800qwerty12_N810, btw, see,  gradients are ok18:09
wazd_n800qwerty12_N810, looks like we'll  have 24 bit heaven :D18:09
wazd_n800kfx: clutter18:10
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kfxman I was like two minutes into puzzling out my old, broken russian skills before I saw there was an english-language link there18:11
* Stskeeps wants a fremantle device now18:11
qwerty12_N810But that battery bar showing 3 bars and it having "1 hour of active use" left isn't good :\18:11
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dopperjavispedro: have you seen this post yet? - I think I'm going to try this next (using a bluetooth enabled wiimote)18:12
kfxbattery life estimates improve when you turn off the built-in signal laser, qwerty12_N81018:12
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: any power user will strain the device at first18:12
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qwerty12_N810kfx: hehe18:12
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: but, 3 bars! :)18:13
kfx(I'm assuming this can communicate directly with the ISS)18:13
qwerty12_N810Then again, Nokia aren't known for their accurate battery meter applets18:13
wazd_n800I think battery applet is unfinished/not working18:13
wazd_n800too bad icon and wrong text format18:14
qwerty12_N810Eldar deserves the Nobel prize or someshit for having the brains to turn the device on18:14
wazd_n800and yes, seriously, 1 hour on 3 bars?! :D18:14
wazd_n800qwerty12_N810, he was using it for 3 months or so18:15
qwerty12_N810Yep, but other shots show the device with it turned off :p18:15
wazd_n800why blogger has the device, and devs don't :(18:15
Stskeepswazd_n800: if he says it's the best device of 2009, that isn't bad :)18:17
wazd_n800Stskeeps, I want to say the same thing18:17
wazd_n800Stskeeps, but I need the device for that :P18:18
Stskeepsthat's application manager in background isn't it?18:19
Macer* Stskeeps wants a fremantle device now18:21
* Macer stares at mer18:21
StskeepsMacer: i've wanted that for several months though18:21
Stskeepsafter seeing the development devices18:21
Macerbeagleboards are real18:22
Macerget one of those18:22
Stskeepsi have two in my office..18:22
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Maceronly thing short of newer phones that use an a818:22
qwerty12_N810Get a Pandora. Oh, wait...18:22
Macerqwerty12_N810: haha18:23
Maceror a touch book!18:23
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qwerty12_N810Heh, you still waiting for your order? :p18:23
Macermine is on "pre order"18:23
Macernot only that18:23
Macerbut theyve started shipping!18:23
Macernobody has gotten one yet18:24
Macerhahaha. what a load of shit18:24
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Maceri dunno. i havent checked their site since they said they were shipping18:26
Macerlet me see what this week's line of bullshit is18:26
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Macerdoes the diablo kernel src not come with the proper sound ?18:41
Macersound driver for an n810?18:41
Stskeepsno help .. :)18:42
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javispedrodopper, even though I have a wiimote I did not try it either so good luck :D18:48
javispedrooh well. that screenshot looks palmish.18:50
javispedrosave for the clearly gnome-style disk icon18:50
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javispedrowhich probably indicates it's not a screenshot of the definitive gui18:52
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javispedroso there's still hope for the 1.30-ish "active use" battery life.18:52
javispedrocause with only 2 hours of battery life I'm going to kill all nokians.18:52
Macercommand.. it's added in the OP now in the main section with the commands___________18:52
qwerty12_N810javispedro: May I join you in that?18:53
Macerwhat is th OP18:53
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Maceri was seeing how they got it working in deblet18:53
javispedroqwerty12_N810, I bring my trusty bulldozer. you what?18:55
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wazdwazd_n800: screw you, fatass :)18:59
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* javispedro just installed ie6 on wine just to get to telefonica's web page.19:02
javispedrocarrier's suck.19:02
javispedroalso, what happened to msn? i did not remember it had so much pr0n on frontpage.19:03
javispedrotimes have changed.19:03
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lcuk2Stskeeps, re macer, you are evil!19:15
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nickmackHello guys20:28
nickmackhey, does anyone here know how osso-backup protect backups with password?20:29
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wndnickmack, iirc the password is passed to zip's algorithm20:40
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nickmackbut i guess it change the zip file somehow, cause the zip is not even recognized as a zip file20:44
nickmackDoesnt it have an algorithm itself to protect with passwords?20:45
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wiretappedany word of developer discounts for the next device?20:57
lcuk2how can you have a discount on the next device when its not even been announced yet20:59
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GeneralAntilleswiretapped, no.21:02
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Macernokia has vaporware too?21:02
GeneralAntillesIt seems unlikely that we're going to get one.21:02
GeneralAntillesMacer, hardly.21:02
GeneralAntillesVaporware is when you announce something and then never ship it.21:02
GeneralAntillesIt can't be vaporware if it hasn't been announced.21:03
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Maceroooooh.. ok21:03
Maceri see21:03
GeneralAntillesThey're going to have to hustle to get the discounts sorted if they're waiting until the announcement.21:03
Macerfigured vaporware was anything that never came to be21:03
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GeneralAntillesThat, or they're shipping in November and I'm not going to bother with the Summit.21:03
Macerlike... the touch book21:03
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javispedro"Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released" :)21:04
wiretappedit wouldn't make much sense to have the summit with lots of maemo5 details still under wraps21:04
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wiretappedbut then nokia's actions don't always make a lot of sense21:04
GeneralAntilleswiretapped, I agree, which is why I wouldn't be attending any such Summit.21:04
Macerjavispedro:  get that from the l33t encyclopedia?21:04
javispedrono, the deletionpedia ;)21:05
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zakkmGeneralAntilles: did you use the adium 1.4b8 irc, seemed like they fixed alot21:05
lcuk2macer have you given up on dpkg for now then21:05
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GeneralAntilleszakkm, not on my primary computer for a little while yet.21:05
StskeepsMacer: got sound working yet?21:05
MacerGeneralAntilles: for now yes... i want to see about getting gentoo to use sound21:05
MacerStskeeps: im not home yet21:05
lcukhiya zakkm \o21:06
zakkmhey everyone :)21:06
zakkmheya lcuk :)21:06
Macermy n810 is at home21:06
Macermatchbox finished building tho21:06
GeneralAntillesAnybody using an i7 rig with Ubuntu?21:06
Macerdoesnt look like hildon does it?21:06
zakkmi got a overclocked machine?21:07
Macerlike... stock matchbox21:07
zakkmnot up to core i7 though ;p21:07
StskeepsMacer: also i'll give you another friendly hint. after loading tasks first time, halt, not reboot.21:07
Stskeeps(if you're doing it in a init script that starts after you install it)21:07
MacerStskeeps:  i can only go off the deblet instructions21:07
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Macertasks first time?21:08
Macerfor what?21:08
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MacerStskeeps:  oh. you must mean all the sound stuff21:08
* GeneralAntilles would prefer a dual Xeon setup.21:09
Macerthe deblet stuff looks difficult21:09
GeneralAntillesProblem is, the server mobos are exactly that.21:09
zakkmGeneralAntilles: is there a purpose for it?21:09
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: get a openrd-client? ;)21:09
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I need a real machine.21:09
GeneralAntillesDo PCIe sound cards work at all in Linux?21:10
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zakkmGeneralAntilles: how can you leave Mac OSX :(21:12
qwerty12_N810Easily? ;)21:12
javispedrooh, i did it twice, so it must be easy ;)21:13
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zakkmgreatest OS21:14
qwerty12_N810/cue cough fits21:14
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lardmananyone here have mobile broadband with Vodafone?21:15
lardman~lart Vodafone for being a right bunch of w*nkers21:15
* infobot forces Vodafone to use Outlook Express for being a right bunch of w*nkers21:15
javispedro~curse all carriers21:15
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, all carriers !21:15
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javispedrooh, damn. they _already_ are xp administrators :(21:16
lardmanI've just been told that somehow Vodafone will charge me differently if I use my phone as a modem (i.e. with my N810) than if I use the internet on it directly21:16
lardmandoes that make sense? or is it a load of rubbish?21:16
Razumihinlardman: I don't think that they even can notice that.21:16
lardmanI tend towards the latter, but as I have a few days to cancel my contract I should really make sure21:16
slonopotamuslardman, same thing here. they somehow can distinguish that.21:17
Stskeepslardman: if they use custom firmware on the phone i guess it is possible21:17
javispedrolardman, I've seen it done by carefully suggesting a diferent configuration for modem use21:17
lardmanRazumihin: except that my phone comes up and says "enable packet data" when I try to use it with the N81021:17
kleistwith Vodafone, anything is possible21:17
qwerty12_N810lardman: Why are you with Vodafone anyway? Their hobby is getting shitton amounts of money out of their customers' asses.21:17
lardmanyeah, well my parents are with them, free calls, etc21:17
lardmanand my wife for that matter :)21:18
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Razumihinlardman: I recommend something else really.21:18
lardmanso, what's the best bet then, I'd like a contract that will work with the n900 as and when it is released21:18
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kleistan unlimited data plan (gprs speed) costs 10 euro/month with O2 Germany21:19
RazumihinThe best thing might be to wait for n900 and take that with contract21:19
lardmanthough if it's tied to a contract in Europe, I'll have to get a pay as you go for a few months21:19
qwerty12_N810You really are going to Vegas, then? ;)21:19
lardmankleist: my wife was suggesting we move to Germany, bit extreme just for a new price plan though! ;)21:19
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kleistlardman: what does such a thing cost over there?21:20
lardmanqwerty12_N810: is that where the launch is?21:20
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Razumihinlardman: :)21:20
Razumihinlardman: I think that you can get n900 at least from finland without contract21:21
lardmanI did notice that I am always in the "random members" :D21:21
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Razumihin(i hope so as i just took n97 with 2 year contract ;)21:21
qwerty12_N810lardman: How much did you pay bergie? ;P21:21
lcuklardman, i gather you have seen:
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lcukqwerty12_N810, he doesnt have to pay - thats actually where woodbe assassins look for jobs :O21:23
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lcukhe has to pay to be removed21:23
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lardmanqwerty12_N810: I wonder if my missing discussion karma has boosted my "front page appearance modifier" or somesuch21:24
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nickmackSo... nobody knows how osso-backup protect its backups with password?21:25
Stskeepsit's closed source21:25
lardmansooo, what do we reckon on phone contracts?21:26
lcuko_O really, how will mer handle backup21:26
javispedrowith obscurity21:26
lardmanand do we think we'll see dev devices too?21:26
lcukdo apps have to create a secondary backup thing in /deb package21:26
lcuklardman, we saw dev devices in copenhagen21:27
Stskeepslcuk: rsync /home/$USER?21:27
qwerty12_N810lcuk: You should've took one. They did, after all, take your finger21:27
lardmanI meant dev discount, sorry my bad21:27
lcukStskeeps, come on, USER oriented21:27
Stskeepsok $HOME.P21:27
lcukim actually being serious21:27
lardmanshit, can't believe I just typed that21:27
* lcuk is as shocked as others21:28
lcukbackup is important to people21:28
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Stskeepslcuk: and i'm being fairly serious too - a nice UI on top of tar or the likes.21:28
lcukcould you put it on the list of components for nokia to consider21:28
qwerty12_N810lcuk: I see a market for liqbackup21:28
Stskeepswe do keep all user settings in $HOME21:28
lcukqwerty12_N810, ive done backup apps before now21:28
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lcukand they are no fun21:28
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lcukbut, what nokia backup has going for it, is a whole raft of programs configured to use it21:29
Stskeepssure, and it can still piggyback on that21:29
javispedrooh, I have a backup app on the device?21:29
lcukbut as usual, if nokia are willing to open it21:29
lcukit saves hassl21:30
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lcukand we get tried, tested stable software21:30
lcukthat level of comfort is important to a lot of people21:30
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zakkmis it just me or does the whole UI/look of tablet need to change?21:32
javispedrodoes the backup app do anything else other than killing gconf and the addresbook before running zip?21:32
zakkmits too "stylus wanting"21:32
Stskeepszakkm: did you see fremantle? :P21:32
qwerty12_N810zakkm: welcome to Fremantle.21:32
zakkmvery early videos21:32
qwerty12_N810javispedro: it does send out a signal that apps can listen to iirc21:33
zakkmit still seems like it wants stylus though21:33
zakkmi mean lesss so, but still require it if your going to use tablet21:33
VDVsxseems that the last update of openssh broke something o_021:36
VDVsxanyone experienced problems with ssh in the last couple of days ?21:36
zakkmVDVsx: worked fine for me.21:36
lcukwhat sort of problems21:36
zakkmupdating actually fixed ssh for me21:36
qwerty12_N810I updated and my SSH still works21:36
lcukand btw, vdvsx, your cats name is fred and your mothers maiden name is jones :P21:37
lcuki found your ssh worked perfectly21:37
VDVsxmine only works if I keep the the internet connection alive :(21:37
VDVsxlcuk, :)21:37
lcukyeah - thats called a connection isnt it?21:37
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VDVsxi.e keep browsing :)21:37
VDVsx*one the n810 side21:38
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lcukthats likely a standard net setting21:38
lcuknot ssh itself is it?21:38
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VDVsxstart happening with the last update of openssh :(21:39
paulo_victoralguem fala português?21:39
StskeepsO_NDELAY issue?21:39
VDVsxpaulo_victor, não :p21:39
javispedrowhat's the changelog?21:39
VDVsxjavispedro, didn't checked yet21:40
javispedroI'm not using it cause I want mine to run from inetd :P21:40
lcuk * added vdvsx specific connection dropping21:40
VDVsxpaulo_victor, se precisar de ajuda, diga, mas fora do canal, este canal é só ingles ;)21:40
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lardman|fedrrrr, bloody Vodafone21:47
lardman|fedJaffa: your post here is a bit screwy:
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lardman|fedthe formatting that is21:49
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lardman|fedanyone know what FUP stands for?21:54
lardman|fedah, fair use21:54
javispedrodeletionpedia says so :D21:54
qwerty12_N810Maybe they meant s/U/A/21:54
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lardman|fedaargh, why doesn't warn you you're not logged in when you go to edit a page21:57
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qwerty12_N810Because you're on Vodafone21:57
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lardman|fedyou're so right :)21:58
lardman|fed~curse Vodafone21:58
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Vodafone !21:58
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lardman|fedwell at least something useful has come of this crappy-Vodafone run-in, I've had to look up the info and therefore have added it to the wiki:
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lardmanhmm, so I reckon perhaps I should switch to a pay as you go monthly contract and see what happens with the new wunder-phone22:06
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lardmanbloody Vodafone22:07
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lcukdo you have the backup file on computer22:15
lcukdoes it start with standard zip header22:15
lcukie in text "PK???????..."22:16
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Stskeeps'lo johnsq22:19
johnsqor mid22:20
nickmackhum... i have it on computer, the main problem is that i need to know how osso-backup application protect the backups, cause i need to do the same thing in my application so osso-backup can recognize password protected backups my application create22:21
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lcuknickmack, but you say you cannot recognise the file.  does the (partial) individual .zip file have proper PK header22:23
lcukafter osso-backup has produced it22:23
lcukor are they using a custom wrapper around the zip22:23
lcukwhich will help you to at least rule out some possibilities22:24
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Stskeepswazd: poke22:26
* wazd shrugs22:27
timeless_mbpStskeeps: did you read my ui spec?22:27
timeless_mbphey, wazd, do you code or just mock up?22:27
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: briefly, been tangled up in e-mails and pre-final release at work today22:27
lardmanhmm, probably cheaper to be on a contract that in pay as you go22:28
wazdtimeless_mbp: unfortunately only mock ups :(22:28
Stskeepswazd: while i'm not out to try and kill mer ui or something, i do have an idea that could be interesting22:29
timeless_mbpwazd: can you write html?22:29
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nickmackhum... im sry, but whats the PK header of the zip file?22:29
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wazdtimeless_mbp: yep22:29
wazdStskeeps: Well, if your idea is better than current - why should I be against it )22:30
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Maceri'm home22:46
Macerlet me try out this damn matchbox crap :)22:46
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Macerthat didn't work22:55
MacerFBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument22:56
Maceryeah it did22:57
Macerwow this is bare :)22:57
Maceri guess if i take the tie to figure matchbox out22:58
Macerit will be worth it22:58
Maceruntil then i'll go ahead and install gnome heh22:58
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johnsqMacer: haven't you installed gentoo?22:59
zakkmgnome? ew23:01
Macerif i can get my matchbox to run like that23:01
Macerit would be awesome :)23:01
Macerthe bottome one23:01
zakkmthats awesomee23:01
zakkm2.10 gnome for one lol23:01
zakkmand the icons are wayy to slow23:01
MacerMatchbox window manager and keyboard running with GNOME ( including the GNOME panel and Nautilus desktop ) on a Sony U71 UMPC with Ubuntu Linux.23:01
zakkmyou'd need stylus23:01
johnsqMacer: matchbox isn't good, use some real windowmanager.23:01
Macerjohnsq: i wanted something small ;)23:02
zakkmwhats wrong with the very top ones23:02
Macerand meant for a tablet23:02
Macerthose top ones look too much like a phone ;)23:02
Macerthey look like symbian23:02
Maceri need to learn how to get that gnome integration stuff like the bottom one23:02
johnsqMacer: jwm, awesome.23:03
Macerthat would be an awesome wm to run23:03
Macerhave any screen shots?23:03
Maceri wanted something that would work well on the tablet's small screen space23:03
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johnsqMacer: fluxbox, openbox all can be configured. My own window manager isn't release ready.23:04
Macerthat is too much ;)23:04
Maceri wanted small and simple23:04
Macerthat jwm looks kinda like flux box with a bar at the bottom tho23:05
Macerand icons in the menus ;)23:05
Macerbbl. when i get back i have to learn how to do that gnome crap they have at the bottom23:05
Macerthat looks awesome :)23:05
Maceri mean i'm no big fan of gnome.. but it's probably better than maemo and the mer guis if i can get it working23:05
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Maceri mean that looks kind of awesome for a tablet ui23:06
Macerkind of like gnome mini or something23:06
johnsqMacer: you can try lxde.23:06
Macerjohnsq: i guess23:07
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Macerbut first i want to see about doing that matchbox/gnome stuff23:07
Macerthat looks win ;)23:07
Macerlxde is a good alternative tho23:07
Maceri remember deblet was using it. it seemed to work well on the tablet23:07
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johnsqMacer: gnome/kde are some overkill. happy memory eating, resource loving.23:07
Macerjohnsq: maybe, but in the end i am going to require the gtk apps anyways23:07
Macerand i don't think it's really gnome23:07
Maceri just think it "looks" like gnome and has a couple gnome apps running in it23:08
Macerthey're both gtk anyways23:08
Macerok. going to shower.. bbiab23:08
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krzysz00why does libboost-regex1.34.1 not contain a library?23:21
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krzysz00 why does libboost-regex1.34.1 not contain a library?23:23
Maceractuallly. i'm going to take my son to the park instead.. i'll work on this when i get some more free time23:24
Maceri need to set up the wifi for the tether too23:24
Macerand hopefully i don't have any problems :)23:24
krzysz00libboost-regex is broken23:24
krzysz00i think23:24
Macerin the meantime. i'll install blackbox or fluxbox23:25
fiferboykrzysz00: Are you looking at the armel packages or i386?23:25
fiferboyI think mikkov_ was unable to get it to build for i386 so dummied it out23:26
fiferboyIIRC, armel actually contain the library23:26
krzysz00apt-get source?23:26
Stskeeps(i know that's a shitty shot but that's zenity stuck in a bloody taskbar..)23:27
Macerit looks like the mer gui23:30
Stskeepsyeah, but implemented in FVWM instead23:30
Stskeeps is how it looks with a background23:30
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Macerwow Stskeeps .. that is very nice looking23:31
Stskeepssecond one isn't my work, but that is our fvwm branch23:31
Macerbut how well does it function? ;)23:31
Stskeepspretty well23:31
Stskeepsnot always for hildon apps, but for rest, sure23:32
Macerwell. i don't think hildon apps are that important anymore23:32
Macerseeing as they don't really xfer over very well :)23:32
Stskeepsthey are still important, tbh23:32
Macerreally? which ones are you looking at that seem to be required?23:32
zakkmosso-xterm :)23:32
zakkmwhy hah23:33
Macerosso-xterm is actually pretty good :)23:33
zakkmthats the best terminal for tablet23:33
johnsqStskeeps: I still search any usefull maemo application23:33
zakkmwell console, but thats not possible in mer really23:33
Macerzakkm: no... i think osso-xterm is great23:33
Macerit works very well23:33
Stskeepsjohnsq: maemo-mapper? :P23:33
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MacerStskeeps: can't un-hildonize it? :)23:33
Stskeepsthere's a point to some hildonization you know :)23:34
zakkmjohnsq: whats wrong with osso-xterm?23:34
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Macerlove the transparent bar now23:34
Macerthat is a really nice looking desktop23:34
zakkmit was always transparent?23:34
Macerwas it?23:34
Macermaybe it's the background he's using23:34
johnsqStskeeps: its no maemo app (iirc), you don't mean the original map app.23:34
Macerit stands out more23:34
zakkmthats more like 100% transparency though mind you23:34
zakkmmer i think seems like 60-7023:35
Macerhm. there is a gnome flag for matchbox23:35
Macermaybe that will add that gnome integration i saw on the matchbox site23:35
zakkmto include gnome stuff or not23:35
zakkmpackages, apps and such23:35
Stskeepsjohnsq: maemo mapper is a maemo app afaik :P23:35
Macerno kidding23:35
Macerthat would be great23:35
johnsqzakkm: I don't need it, theres is rxvt. xterm, urxvt many functional terminal application23:35
Macerif i can get that damn gnome look to matchbox just by adding gnome to my USE23:35
Macerjohnsq: aterm ftw ;)23:36
Macerok... bbl... going to take my son to the park23:36
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msaraivaI have a problem trying to flash my N80023:38
msaraivaError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy23:38
qwerty12_N810Are you root?23:39
msaraivaMandriva x86_6423:39
msaraivaI don't get "operation not permited"23:39
msaraivaIf i was running as a non-root user, i'd get this message.23:39
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msaraivaHelp, i need to flash my n800 :S23:41
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msaraivaI bought it used, and don't want to run it "as is".23:42
infobotwell, flashing is
johnsqmsaraiva: look dmesg, if you see nokia update mode23:43
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lcukmsaraiva, make sure the device is directly into the computer (not a hub)23:44
msaraivaNokia Update Mode it is.23:44
msaraivaAnd it's directly attached to the computer.23:44
* javispedro checks logs and apologizes for useless suggestion.23:45
lcukmsaraiva, try taking battery out and have flashing app sitting there saying "waiting for device"23:45
lcukthen put battery in and do vulcan grip thing till its in update mode23:45
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msaraiva"Vulcan grip"?23:46
lcukpress the button you need23:46
zakkmvulcan grip?23:46
zakkm"home key" ?23:46
lcukwhichever key it is23:46
lcuki normally end up dancing around the keys23:46
zakkmmsaraiva: the bottom button on nokia23:46
msaraivaMan, this battery is hard to come out...23:46
zakkmsmall house23:46
msaraivaYeah, the home key.23:46
zakkmhold it... and press power.. and key holding it till you see usb icon in corner23:47
zakkmand pc will do the flashing23:47
zakkmthat is if it started with "waiting.."23:47
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msaraivaShould the battery be this hard to come out?23:48
lcukdifferent devices are looser than others23:48
lcukon my 810 it falls out if i sneeze23:48
lcukon 800 i have to bang it23:48
zakkmmsaraiva: push on the one side23:48
msaraivalol, i was trying to spring it out from the wrong side23:49
zakkmwith a nail.. "pry it out"23:49
msaraivaUSB device found found at bus 001, device address 003 Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy23:50
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Stskeeps <- see where i'm going with this?23:50
Stskeeps(yes, the extra 'e' is intentional.)23:51
msaraivaDon't know what to do anymore.23:51
javispedrodoes lsof work for usbfs files?23:51
zakkmmsaraiva: you run as root?23:51
msaraiva[root@mark Download]# ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R23:52
zakkmStskeeps: i likeeee :) , you should do that !info thing .. and post that :P23:52
zakkmthe thing for mer news on "twitter"23:52
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msaraivaSo, to sum it up: I'm running the flasher as root, n800 directly attached to usb, and i'm putting the N800 in flash mode.23:53
msaraivaAug 18 17:50:27 mark klogd: usb 1-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3                                                    Aug 18 17:50:27 mark klogd: usb 1-7: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105                                                       Aug 18 17:50:27 mark klogd: usb 1-7: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0                                                  Aug23:53
zakkmmsaraiva: hmm give me a sec k?23:54
zakkmyou know you can also use "clear device" on the tablet itself, if they kept it up to dat eit wouldnt matter23:55
zakkmfuture references.23:55
msaraivaWhere can i find "clear device"?23:55
zakkmcontrol panel23:55
zakkmapp menu - settings - control panel23:55
msaraivaLemme check.23:55
msaraivaThat's the first thing i thought of doing.23:55
zakkmclick menu button ( above home/house key )23:55
zakkmand tools - clear device23:55
msaraivaK, it's booting...23:55
msaraivaLemme check.23:55
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javispedroor use the windows flasher, since this seems a host pc os issue.23:56
zakkmmsaraiva: willing to try flasher-3.5?23:56
zakkmtheres also things like usb didnt get mounted, and such you can do23:56
msaraivaUSBFS is mounted...23:57
msaraivano x86_64, unfortunately23:57
zakkmmind uh23:57
zakkmpastebin the whole thing?23:57
zakkmcan see whole log from flasher23:58
zakkmor alternate pastebin's or something23:58
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StskeepsMacer: ;p23:59

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