| msaraiva | There's no "clear device" on my N800's control panel. | 00:00 |
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| zakkm | 800x600? | 00:00 |
| zakkm | you doing that in tablet? | 00:00 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: wow it must be outdated :P | 00:00 |
| msaraiva | That's why i want to flash it :P | 00:00 |
| msaraiva | hehehe | 00:00 |
| zakkm | in that case dont worry, its not that ugly :P | 00:00 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: vmdk | 00:00 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: whats the "clear device" in os2007? is there? | 00:01 |
| msaraiva | I'm running OS2008. | 00:01 |
| zakkm | how do you not see clear device? | 00:01 |
| zakkm | okay your at control panel, yes? | 00:01 |
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| msaraiva | Right | 00:01 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: click control panel at top .. theres open view tools close.. | 00:01 |
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| zakkm | in tools - theres no "clear device" or "restore original settings" ? | 00:02 |
| msaraiva | Thanks. | 00:02 |
| msaraiva | LOL... | 00:02 |
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| zakkm | ? | 00:02 |
| msaraiva | It's on the menu, not one of the icons. | 00:02 |
| zakkm | i said press the key above the home key | 00:02 |
| zakkm | thats the menu key | 00:02 |
| msaraiva | Yep. | 00:02 |
| zakkm | wow eplawless lives near me hah :P | 00:02 |
| msaraiva | What's the default code? | 00:03 |
| zakkm | 012345 probably | 00:03 |
| zakkm | person might of set one, theres a way to get it though | 00:03 |
| zakkm | discovered it like two days ago | 00:03 |
| msaraiva | Well, it's not 012345 | 00:03 |
| msaraiva | I bought this thing used. | 00:03 |
| zakkm | me too | 00:03 |
| zakkm | same tablet | 00:03 |
| zakkm | $145 cad, person came to me | 00:03 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: http://pastebin.com/m55bd85aa <--- run that in terminal | 00:04 |
| zakkm | app menu - utilities - terminal | 00:04 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, for the summit ;) (I hope in the nokia day :P) | 00:05 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: still here? | 00:05 |
| msaraiva | 12345 | 00:07 |
| msaraiva | LOL | 00:07 |
| zakkm | oh sorry :( | 00:07 |
| zakkm | i thought it started at 0 | 00:07 |
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| msaraiva | NP | 00:08 |
| zakkm | flashing though idk, a reboot would probably help cause it would be unmounted and all ( reboot of OS , not tablet ) | 00:08 |
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| zakkm | msaraiva: hows it working out? | 00:13 |
| msaraiva | Worked like a charm. | 00:15 |
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| msaraiva | Now on to clone the internal flash to the SD card.. | 00:16 |
| zakkm | wooh :) | 00:16 |
| zakkm | is this your first tablet? | 00:16 |
| msaraiva | I want to dual boot this baby. | 00:16 |
| msaraiva | Yep. | 00:16 |
| zakkm | oh cool congrats :) | 00:16 |
| msaraiva | Thanks... | 00:16 |
| msaraiva | My first reaaally portable linux device. | 00:16 |
| zakkm | may i recommend you clone it, install Tear as web browser, believe me you wont go back to microb :P | 00:16 |
| msaraiva | hehe | 00:16 |
| zakkm | install mplayer | 00:16 |
| zakkm | can playback 175mb/350mb's xvids perfectly | 00:16 |
| zakkm | install mytube for youtube watching/downloading | 00:17 |
| msaraiva | Yeah, i had it installed bef formating. | 00:17 |
| msaraiva | What about @scene? | 00:17 |
| zakkm | did you try Tear? | 00:17 |
| msaraiva | Not yet. | 00:17 |
| zakkm | @scene sucks in my opinion | 00:17 |
| zakkm | Tear = super fastt browser :) | 00:17 |
| msaraiva | Is it in the "extras" repo? | 00:17 |
| zakkm | tear? no | 00:17 |
| zakkm | you install qoles repository | 00:17 |
| msaraiva | Humm | 00:17 |
| lcuk | try @scene | 00:18 |
| lcuk | have a look round extras | 00:18 |
| lcuk | dip your toes with stable software :) | 00:18 |
| zakkm | instasll liqbase :D your love it :) | 00:18 |
| zakkm | 0.1.5 for reading omg | 00:18 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: do you plan to read on it? | 00:18 |
| zakkm | like text / books and such | 00:18 |
| zakkm | lcuk: did i tell you my friend is buying a n800 as opposed to a kindle, just because of your app? | 00:19 |
| lcuk | sounds good :) | 00:20 |
| zakkm | i mean it is cheaper and in color too, but yeah | 00:20 |
| zakkm | he was going to buy a kindle im like omg you gotta see this *shows 0.1.5 liqbase* | 00:20 |
| msaraiva | Zakkm: Yep. Portrait mode ;) | 00:20 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: you really should try liqbase 0.1.5 (lcuk's app) | 00:21 |
| msaraiva | Extras repo? | 00:21 |
| zakkm | like uhh reads sd cards and all . .select the file click read... ( it saves where you left off ) | 00:21 |
| zakkm | yeah | 00:21 |
| zakkm | and then its like black background white text | 00:21 |
| msaraiva | What's the config for "qoles" repo? | 00:21 |
| zakkm | can use arrow buttons to go up or down.. or just move with touchscreen | 00:21 |
| zakkm | and it like kinetic scrolling | 00:21 |
| zakkm | http://qole.org/ left side | 00:21 |
| zakkm | "My maemo repository" | 00:22 |
| msaraiva | Thanks! | 00:22 |
| zakkm | Tear, mplayer, mytube, Almost TI, uhh | 00:22 |
| zakkm | liqbase | 00:22 |
| msaraiva | I'll first enable root access, and then clone the internal flash. | 00:22 |
| msaraiva | Then i'll start installing apps. | 00:23 |
| zakkm | abiword/leafpad whichever you prefer | 00:23 |
| zakkm | you can do sudo gainroot | 00:23 |
| zakkm | i dont think you need to download anything for that | 00:23 |
| zakkm | and you dont need root to clone to internal | 00:23 |
| zakkm | use "console-tools v1" onesecc http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714 | 00:23 |
| zakkm | read post, and link will be there ( first post ) | 00:24 |
| msaraiva | K, i'm now cloning the internal flash. | 00:25 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: dont mind me asking, how much did you pay for your n800 | 00:26 |
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| zakkm | if you dont mind me asking* | 00:26 |
| msaraiva | Nah, np. | 00:27 |
| msaraiva | $248,00 | 00:27 |
| zakkm | woww | 00:27 |
| msaraiva | I live in Brazil :P | 00:27 |
| zakkm | 248 reais? | 00:27 |
| zakkm | not badd after taxes and all? | 00:27 |
| msaraiva | Nah, 248 USD. | 00:28 |
| zakkm | oh woww | 00:28 |
| msaraiva | I bought it here. | 00:28 |
| zakkm | very much | 00:28 |
| zakkm | i paid 117 usd for mine originally hah | 00:28 |
| msaraiva | I didn't buy it on ebay... | 00:28 |
| zakkm | i know | 00:28 |
| zakkm | ebay sucks for high gadgets :P | 00:28 |
| msaraiva | Customs :S | 00:29 |
| zakkm | actually thats not bad, friend was going to get the n800 ( lives inbrazil too , saulo carlos ? ) and it was like 799 reais | 00:29 |
| msaraiva | São Carlos, a small city on the state of São Paulo. | 00:31 |
| zakkm | yeahh thats it | 00:31 |
| msaraiva | Damn, 800 bucks?! | 00:31 |
| zakkm | reais. | 00:31 |
| msaraiva | Yeah, reais. | 00:31 |
| msaraiva | Not 800 usd. | 00:31 |
| zakkm | this was maybe a year back though | 00:31 |
| msaraiva | lol | 00:31 |
| zakkm | instead he got a laptop | 00:31 |
| zakkm | maybe it was the n810 though then? | 00:31 |
| zakkm | that seems more sense | 00:31 |
| msaraiva | Anyway, we can buy it NIB for 500 reais. | 00:32 |
| zakkm | but yeah brand new in store | 00:32 |
| msaraiva | or 10x49,90. | 00:32 |
| msaraiva | Lol. | 00:32 |
| zakkm | i loveee brazil everything ends in .90 | 00:32 |
| msaraiva | lol | 00:32 |
| msaraiva | Yeah... | 00:32 |
| zakkm | here its all 99 :( | 00:32 |
| zakkm | 4.99 5.99 | 00:32 |
| zakkm | do you know why that is? | 00:32 |
| msaraiva | And we love to pay for stuff in "small" monthly payments. | 00:32 |
| msaraiva | (installments) | 00:32 |
| msaraiva | Is that correct? | 00:32 |
| zakkm | yeah | 00:32 |
| zakkm | sao carlo is nice right? | 00:33 |
| zakkm | always complains theres nothing to do | 00:33 |
| msaraiva | It's very small. | 00:34 |
| msaraiva | But it's close to São Paulo. | 00:34 |
| msaraiva | Biiiig city. | 00:34 |
| zakkm | yeahh i wanna go there :) | 00:34 |
| msaraiva | Been there once, when i got my VCP cert (VMware Certified Professional) :P | 00:34 |
| zakkm | friend goes to school in sao carlo. | 00:34 |
| zakkm | wow nice | 00:34 |
| msaraiva | Hey, lemme ask you something...you don't happen to live close to Portland, right? lol | 00:35 |
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| zakkm | Portland oregon? | 00:35 |
| msaraiva | A "friend" of mine from Portland robbed me :-/ | 00:35 |
| msaraiva | Yep. | 00:35 |
| msaraiva | 700 USD :-/ | 00:35 |
| zakkm | i know several people there. but no i dont i live in Toronto, Canada. | 00:35 |
| msaraiva | I asked him to buy me some stuff from newegg, but he kept my money and just disappeared... | 00:36 |
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| zakkm | oh woww :( | 00:36 |
| zakkm | thatsss awful | 00:36 |
| zakkm | thatss huge trust too | 00:36 |
| zakkm | very dangerous | 00:36 |
| zakkm | its not worth it though too, cause once you send to brazil, they will insanely import tax it.. i tried | 00:37 |
| zakkm | i tried sending stuff to my friend in brazil.. same thing and i live in a city and its cheaper than newegg hah | 00:37 |
| zakkm | but in the end it turned out more expensive than buying it in brazil | 00:37 |
| msaraiva | I'm used to buy stuff from overseas. | 00:37 |
| zakkm | hes a fan of dealextreme ;P dont usually get taxed and free shipping helps | 00:37 |
| msaraiva | I always ask to "undercut" the price, when filling the customs form. | 00:38 |
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| zakkm | yeah i even tried filling it out as a gift | 00:38 |
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| zakkm | even thoguh it was at one point | 00:38 |
| zakkm | but that only goes so far | 00:38 |
| msaraiva | You can't send many packages like that... | 00:38 |
| msaraiva | The best thing to do is to put a "reasonable" value, and pay the tax. | 00:39 |
| zakkm | it was just a few | 00:39 |
| zakkm | at different times | 00:39 |
| msaraiva | They won't open the package, if you do that. | 00:39 |
| zakkm | and one was really a gift | 00:39 |
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| msaraiva | I really need to flash this thing, "clear device" only clears the personal data. | 00:39 |
| zakkm | you have another OS? | 00:39 |
| msaraiva | All programs are still installed :S | 00:39 |
| zakkm | you can flash on the tablet itself apparently | 00:39 |
| zakkm | dont think it can flash rootfs though | 00:40 |
| msaraiva | I'll try from other pc. | 00:40 |
| zakkm | windows is best or mac | 00:40 |
| zakkm | even try rebooting. | 00:41 |
| zakkm | like the computer | 00:41 |
| msaraiva | Lemme try from another pc... | 00:41 |
| msaraiva | Fedora, this time. | 00:41 |
| zakkm | what was it last time? | 00:41 |
| msaraiva | Mandriva | 00:42 |
| msaraiva | Worked like a charm, now :S | 00:43 |
| msaraiva | Flashing the device. | 00:43 |
| msaraiva | ;) | 00:43 |
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| msaraiva | Lol, it's fast. | 00:43 |
| zakkm | mandriva.. people still use that? | 00:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: gdebi is shit slow on an N800 at least. :\ | 00:43 |
| zakkm | yeah flashing should only take like 10 seconds | 00:43 |
| zakkm | gdebi? | 00:44 |
| zakkm | isnt application manager good enough? | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: A little wrapper around dpkg -i shouldn't be too hard to knock up | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: Considering the "install a random little util which someone's knocked up" use case. | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | Admittedly, pushing them towards extras-devel, even for such little things which are in-progress wouldn't be a bad thing. | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'd prefer to see Application Manager have the ability to resolve dependencies. I can't believe that was overlooked. | 00:45 |
| zakkm | ohh Jaffa: guess what? i found out my calling card i use for my cellphone and all works on gizmo, so tablet is perfect for calling out :) | 00:45 |
| msaraiva | Mandriva is a pretty solid distro. | 00:45 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: not even in the fremantle version? | 00:45 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: Fremantle HAM's had "install from file" removed. | 00:45 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: mandriva always caused me soooo much pain.. way less than gentoo -.- | 00:45 |
| zakkm | WHAT | 00:45 |
| zakkm | really | 00:45 |
| zakkm | thats awful | 00:46 |
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| zakkm | can it still work if you open deb in application manager? like support just removed menu entry? | 00:46 |
| Jaffa | zakkm: I don't believe so, but I haven't checked that. | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It appears in red-pill mode. Which is ironic because the plan is for people not to use it... | 00:47 |
| zakkm | sounds like it could of been a menu decision, i dont know why'd they would remove that | 00:47 |
| zakkm | or how it tells the difference | 00:47 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: it could be they trying to appear to public now, as opposed to linux techies.. who would see install from file and be like ??? hmmm lets google download stuff | 00:47 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: The menu entry appears in red-pill mode? It might be enough to ship a package to extras which sets the appropriate $HOME/.osso/hildon-application-manager line ;-) | 00:47 |
| zakkm | idk :P | 00:47 |
| zakkm | jaffa: tell Stskeeps :) i think he changed to fremantles app manager version | 00:48 |
| zakkm | showed a screenshot earlier | 00:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: The user would then be exposed to the full range of settings because I doubt it has a standalone option to show the entry ;P | 00:48 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Damnit. | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Interesting decision though... | 00:49 |
| * javispedro fears that with all those now removed options and software being 10 days on a queue, users will be more interested in enabling red-pill mode/extras-devel/rootme instead of less. | 00:50 | |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Users who want to test things can use extras-testing | 00:50 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: no uhh gconf-editor setting? | 00:50 |
| zakkm | "enable install to file" | 00:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hildon-application-manager doesn't use GConf. | 00:51 |
| zakkm | gconf config, sorry i dont know linux stuff that much | 00:51 |
| zakkm | oh | 00:51 |
| zakkm | red pill it is ! :P | 00:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Indeed. | 00:51 |
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| zakkm | how does red pill work exactly? | 00:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | People will be wanting a patched ham due to Nokia making their legal warning even more anal-retentive (AFAIK, it doesn't have a "show me one time only" option). | 00:53 |
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| zakkm | what does it exactly do | 00:53 |
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| zakkm | msaraiva: still here? | 00:55 |
| msaraiva | Yep | 00:56 |
| zakkm | found out friend lives in "Mococa, Brazil" | 00:56 |
| zakkm | while hes not at school | 00:56 |
| msaraiva | Lol, it's even smaller than São Carlos. | 00:56 |
| zakkm | hows cloning turning out? | 00:56 |
| zakkm | yeah | 00:57 |
| msaraiva | Can i really run "pb" without root privileges? | 00:57 |
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| zakkm | yeah | 00:57 |
| zakkm | it actually doesnt work in root privileges for me | 00:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It adds itself to sudoers FYI... | 00:57 |
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| msaraiva | Humm | 00:57 |
| zakkm | wait isnt that totally aganist sudo? | 00:57 |
| zakkm | lol | 00:57 |
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| msaraiva | That's how it's able to partition the card, then :p | 00:57 |
| zakkm | the fact that packages can add itself | 00:57 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Someone else said that, it didn't look any more anal to me... | 00:58 |
| zakkm | ruin the whole point? | 00:58 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: You have to tick a box and then click OK now | 00:58 |
| msaraiva | "Searching for partitions...100%" | 00:58 |
| msaraiva | And then exits. | 00:58 |
| msaraiva | "ESC pressed" | 00:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: Maemo has a system for doing it "properly" even... | 00:58 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Ah, true - I'd seen it, but not thought it through | 00:58 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: its still beta isnt it, its not final. | 00:59 |
| msaraiva | Should i clear the SD card first? | 00:59 |
| zakkm | can easily change | 00:59 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: doesnt matter | 00:59 |
| zakkm | it uses fdisk to clear | 00:59 |
| msaraiva | Dunno why is it exiting, then... | 00:59 |
| zakkm | try pbeasy | 00:59 |
| msaraiva | Humm | 01:00 |
| msaraiva | What's the fat partition used for? | 01:00 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N810: there wasnt much time anyways 43-7 came out and install-tools didnt work... had to do it fast so ppl could update | 01:00 |
| msaraiva | So i can decide the size... | 01:00 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: swap mostly | 01:00 |
| msaraiva | Humm | 01:01 |
| zakkm | make it like 128mb | 01:01 |
| msaraiva | 256mb should be enough. | 01:01 |
| zakkm | you make 2 fat's and 1 ext3 | 01:01 |
| msaraiva | It's a big card, 16gb. | 01:01 |
| zakkm | oh | 01:01 |
| msaraiva | Why 2 fat partitions? | 01:01 |
| zakkm | do 256mb 256mb "rest" | 01:01 |
| zakkm | no idea | 01:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: I've never used it. My preferred cloning method involves bootmenu, mkfs.jffs2, a computer, and a lot of time :p | 01:01 |
| zakkm | well not everyone is so tech savvy :) | 01:02 |
| lcuk | clone device to device would be nice | 01:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Meh, it's stuff I picked up from that "Modifying root images" page on the wiki :p | 01:02 |
| lcuk | shhh dont tell people you read | 01:02 |
| lcuk | you have a neo like zen | 01:03 |
| lcuk | and you just know stuff | 01:03 |
| msaraiva | I've read such guides on the web...doesn't look hard. | 01:03 |
| msaraiva | But i don't have much time left, gotta go to college. | 01:03 |
| msaraiva | :P | 01:03 |
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| * lcuk cant build a library using scratchbox | 01:03 | |
| lcuk | it fails to configure | 01:03 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: you on holiday? friend is on holiday from uni due to "Swine flu" | 01:03 |
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| zakkm | oh waittt maybe hes back maybe thats why i havent seen him on today | 01:04 |
| msaraiva | No, thank's God we don't have many cases up here, on Ceará. | 01:04 |
| lcuk | irc quarantine for swine flu | 01:04 |
| lcuk | that should stop the spread | 01:04 |
| msaraiva | Damn... | 01:05 |
| zakkm | heh | 01:05 |
| msaraiva | pbeasy closes itself when i select "clone' | 01:05 |
| zakkm | friend went to vancouver shes like im scared :( swine flu cases... i started laughing :) | 01:05 |
| zakkm | msaraiva: dont select it use the touchscreen to select it | 01:05 |
| zakkm | and then just enter, gotta be real careful, pissed the hell out of me , its so a n810 app | 01:05 |
| msaraiva | Tried doing that too. | 01:05 |
| msaraiva | Lemme try again... | 01:06 |
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| msaraiva | Keeps exiting | 01:07 |
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| msaraiva | Hummm | 01:10 |
| msaraiva | Found out the script used... | 01:10 |
| msaraiva | But i need root access first :S | 01:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~root-access | 01:11 |
| infobot | hmm... root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access | 01:11 |
| msaraiva | Thanks, i was already looking at the wiki. | 01:12 |
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| msaraiva | Lol, it's the script that's not working, not pbeasy | 01:15 |
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| msaraiva | So, pbeasy does not work on my device... | 01:16 |
| msaraiva | On to manual cloning. | 01:16 |
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| zakkm | wow powercut -.- | 01:17 |
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| msaraiva | lol... | 01:21 |
| msaraiva | Running from ssh worked. | 01:21 |
| msaraiva | It's formatting the filesystems. | 01:21 |
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| zakkm | pb from ssh? | 01:21 |
| msaraiva | Yep. | 01:22 |
| msaraiva | The last step is "shutdown", so i should be good. | 01:22 |
| msaraiva | hehehe | 01:22 |
| msaraiva | It's cloning the flash. | 01:23 |
| zakkm | i hope :P | 01:23 |
| zakkm | lol | 01:23 |
| zakkm | well you didnt get that right :P | 01:23 |
| msaraiva | Really, i skipped my Data Structures class to mess on this thing :P | 01:23 |
| zakkm | btw you hold menu key as its starting to boot :P | 01:23 |
| zakkm | turn on tablet.. hold menu key and boot menu appears | 01:24 |
| msaraiva | To make it display the boot menu? | 01:24 |
| msaraiva | Humm | 01:24 |
| msaraiva | Nice... | 01:24 |
| msaraiva | If i don't hold the menu key, it boots straight to the internal flash? | 01:24 |
| zakkm | ah guess so :P | 01:25 |
| zakkm | mine goes to menu for two seconds... then goes to flash | 01:25 |
| zakkm | guess yours didnt | 01:25 |
| msaraiva | 99%... | 01:27 |
| msaraiva | I've set it to wait 10 seconds. | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | Err... | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | Cloning failed, it may not be reliable. | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | :S | 01:28 |
| zakkm | heh | 01:28 |
| zakkm | it said failed? | 01:28 |
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| zakkm | first boot usually fails | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | Yep | 01:28 |
| zakkm | restart and do it again | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | And it said it's going to reboot | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | lol | 01:28 |
| zakkm | oh | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | it worked | 01:28 |
| zakkm | wow | 01:28 |
| msaraiva | No, i have the boot menu, but it didn't clone the fs. | 01:29 |
| msaraiva | Well, i think it's the only step missing. | 01:29 |
| mikkov_ | jeremiah: "Make sure the name of the binary package that gets built is the same as the package name." not a good idea IMO | 01:30 |
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| jaem | hey folks | 01:31 |
| zakkm | hey jaem! :D | 01:31 |
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| jaem | I'm still working on the port of Einstein | 01:33 |
| jaem | or will be when I get NX to stop being stupid, so I can access my SDK VM... | 01:33 |
| jaem | and there was some discussion on the forums about which key would work best for a right-click modifier | 01:34 |
| jaem | I was originally thinking that the full-screen button would work, but it's not good for lefties | 01:34 |
| jaem | so I figure I should offer at least two options | 01:34 |
| jaem | any suggestions for left-handed play? | 01:34 |
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| mikkov_ | jaem: you could use any key which is not used for anything else. That would most likely work even with maemo5 device | 01:38 |
| mikkov_ | rx-51 apparently doesn't have fullscreen key (not sure though) | 01:39 |
| jaem | mikkov_: yes, I realize, but while I can add features later, I was hoping to find a good lefty key, so that I could just provide two choices for now | 01:39 |
| johnsq | mikkov_: is the right-click time critical? | 01:39 |
| mikkov_ | johnsq: for einstein? I have no idea, never played it | 01:39 |
| johnsq | mikkov_: yes, normaly right-click is done by long-click on tablets | 01:40 |
| mikkov_ | jaem: compare picuteres of N800 and N810 and choose there. There isn't much options | 01:40 |
| mikkov_ | johnsq: that sucks most of the time | 01:41 |
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| jaem | johnsq: this is an SDL app - tap-and-hold doesn't work in it | 01:41 |
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| jaem | hence the problem | 01:41 |
| mikkov_ | jaem: you can make it work if you really want to | 01:41 |
| jaem | mikkov_: how so? | 01:41 |
| mikkov_ | jaem: but using modifier key is much better in games | 01:42 |
| jaem | mikkov_: good point | 01:42 |
| johnsq | jaem: just rotate the display for left-handers | 01:42 |
| jaem | johnsq: that would work, but holding the tablet steady and pressing the full-screen button isn't as easy as I'd like | 01:43 |
| mikkov_ | jaem: tap'n'hold is just a long mouse button press. count the how long button is pressed and thereÃ's tap'nhold | 01:43 |
| jaem | it's probably the best I'll get, though | 01:43 |
| javispedro | doesn't fremantle now use simulated multitouch for context menu/right click? | 01:43 |
| javispedro | it should be easy to detect in SDL. | 01:43 |
| jaem | johnsq: can I trigger the screen rotation in program easily? | 01:44 |
| jaem | in my* | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | oprofile rules! | 01:45 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d43c3890f | 01:45 |
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| johnsq | jaem: on desktop yes, with maemo i don't know, its xrandr. | 01:45 |
| jaem | johnsq: ah right... I'll check into that | 01:45 |
| javispedro | save for that wierd c++ destructor consuming 40% of cpu time, which I don't believe right now... | 01:45 |
| mikkov_ | maemo4 doesn''t support xrandr, it would require apatched xserver | 01:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You'd also have to "rotate" the keys too | 01:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (d-pad ones, that is) | 01:48 |
| jaem | qwerty12_N810; thanks, but this game doesn't use the D-Pad | 01:48 |
| jaem | mikkov_: the patches are easy to get, but I guess it wouldn't be good to rely on that | 01:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, fair enough :) | 01:49 |
| mikkov_ | mikkov_: exactly, you canÃ't rely on it | 01:49 |
| jaem | hmm | 01:49 |
| jaem | oh wait a minute | 01:49 |
| jaem | here's an idea | 01:49 |
| jaem | is the D-Pad center button mapped differently than the keyboard Enter key? | 01:50 |
| mikkov_ | it'd KP_ENTER | 01:50 |
| mikkov_ | it's | 01:50 |
| lardman|tv | night all | 01:50 |
| mikkov_ | no it RETURN | 01:50 |
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| jaem | mikkov_: wait.. so, are they different, or not? | 01:50 |
| mikkov_ | N810 normal enter key is KP_ENTER | 01:50 |
| mikkov_ | d-pad center is RETURN | 01:51 |
| jaem | ah, okay | 01:51 |
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| jaem | so I could use the d-pad center for the modifier, and that would make N800 users happy, while not being much less convenient on the N810 | 01:51 |
| jaem | although that's still not perfect | 01:51 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Me, being the selfish right handed prick that I am, has to ask: why are you modifying it for lefties? It's not like the tablet is designed with left-handed people in mind... | 01:53 |
| jaem | heh | 01:53 |
| jaem | that's true, but I'd prefer to make it work for everyone at least somewhat | 01:53 |
| jaem | although you have a point | 01:53 |
| javispedro | the only solution that may work for both is a touch-screen only one... | 01:53 |
| jaem | it's just that it's essentially impossible to play left-handed, using the full-screen button | 01:54 |
| jaem | javispedro: we're talking about a 12px target area, though, and tap-and-hold isn't practical | 01:54 |
| javispedro | what about some gesture | 01:54 |
| javispedro | tap and go left | 01:54 |
| jaem | 12px | 01:54 |
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| jaem | not much to work with | 01:54 |
| javispedro | tap and drag left over the 12px mark. | 01:54 |
| jaem | hmm | 01:54 |
| jaem | yes, that would work | 01:54 |
| javispedro | 12px means stylus game I guess. | 01:54 |
| jaem | javispedro: yes | 01:55 |
| jaem | I'll make a note of that, but I wont' be able to work on this for several days, at least, due to surgery tomorrow; I'm trying to get it into shape for a release in the next hour or so | 01:55 |
| jaem | heh | 01:55 |
| jaem | I'll just use full-screen for now | 01:56 |
| jaem | but thanks for the idea | 01:56 |
| javispedro | good luck | 01:56 |
| mikkov_ | jaem: why don't use both fullscreen and dpad center | 01:56 |
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| jaem | mikkov_: sounds good | 01:58 |
| jaem | by the way, Nokia isn't to blame for the tablets not being left-handed-friendly | 01:58 |
| jaem | it's TI's fault | 01:58 |
| jaem | if they'd just release a left-handed OMAP. then Nokia could just flip everything, and making an alternate left-handed model would be more economical | 01:59 |
| jaem | ;) | 01:59 |
| zakkm | the tablet is 100% left handed friendly | 01:59 |
| zakkm | im left handed myself.. my right handed is so useless its not even funny | 01:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, yes. | 02:18 |
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| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: just got installed the 0.16testing2 mer, and it requires usb networking, but the documentation is for linux. by /etc/networks.. would yu know how to do it for mac? | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, you need to install a driver of some kind | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure if it works on Intel | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.lucid-cake.net/osx_zaurus_usb/index_en.html | 02:19 |
| jaem | GeneralAntilles: Darwin doesn't have support built in? | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not sure what the story is. | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was never able to get it to work anyway. | 02:20 |
| jaem | grr | 02:22 |
| jaem | the person who wrote this code alternately uses spaces and tabs | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still believe neck tasers should be a requirement to use the internet. | 02:22 |
| jaem | isn't there a cli program that can clean up things like that? | 02:22 |
| jaem | GeneralAntilles: haha | 02:23 |
| zakkm | if i were to flash tablet in host mode, would that work in mer, or just maemo? | 02:24 |
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| jaem | zakkm: sorry, what? | 02:33 |
| zakkm | can the tablet be flashed in host only | 02:33 |
| jaem | do you mean switch the USB port into host mode, or flash the tablet while in host mode? | 02:33 |
| zakkm | so i can use keyboard in mer / maemo at boot | 02:33 |
| jaem | ohh | 02:33 |
| jaem | well, you can change modes by manipulating a /proc entry, so it shouldn't be hard | 02:34 |
| zakkm | --enable-usb-host-mode Set the device into USB host mode | 02:34 |
| jaem | hmm | 02:34 |
| jaem | oh that | 02:34 |
| zakkm | is that for maemo though | 02:34 |
| zakkm | or all OS's on device | 02:34 |
| jaem | I would think that if it's in the flasher, it would be a hardware setting, but I'm not sure | 02:34 |
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| jaem | why do you need it at boot? | 02:34 |
| zakkm | for mer | 02:34 |
| zakkm | new 0.16testing2 doesnt accept virtualkeyboard | 02:35 |
| zakkm | at first boot wizard | 02:35 |
| zakkm | so i need to get past it | 02:35 |
| jaem | okay - I haven't been following along | 02:35 |
| jaem | well, you could alternately add a startup script that uses the /proc trick | 02:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | AFAIK, That flasher option is for the 770, where the USB mode cannot be manipulated with a sysfs entry | 02:35 |
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| zakkm | but can it still work on n800 and used in mer? | 02:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, vim? | 02:36 |
| jaem | GeneralAntilles: heh... probably | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, flasher has to be done in client. | 02:36 |
| jaem | I'll get around to learning vim at some point | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, I'm pretty sure I saw a recipe somewhere. | 02:36 |
| jaem | I just keep putting it off | 02:36 |
| zakkm | GeneralAntilles: so it wont work? | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, you don't know how many times I opened up vimtutor before I actually got through it. . . . | 02:37 |
| jaem | I had to laugh when I opened a nano instance for my friend (who's a long-time vim user), and he was quite confused | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaem, :retab maybe. | 02:37 |
| jaem | nice | 02:37 |
| jaem | thanks | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/change.html#:retab | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | vim is one of those hatefully complicated, but incredibly useful tools that take just too much damn time to learn. | 02:38 |
| jaem | yeah | 02:38 |
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| krzysz00 | i can't ping on a usb network setup from my nokia n800 to my ubuntu jaunty pc | 02:39 |
| jaem | krzysz00: how do you have it set up? | 02:40 |
| jaem | did you follow a specific guide? | 02:40 |
| krzysz00 | the "USB networking" wiki page | 02:42 |
| krzysz00 | i have a wireless card on eth1 btw | 02:42 |
| jaem | give me a moment | 02:42 |
| divide_by_zero | gst-launch-0.10 dsppcmsrc ! autoaudiosink | 02:42 |
| divide_by_zero | isn't that fun??? | 02:42 |
| jaem | I don't have a Jaunty box handy at the moment, but I've been doing this for a while :P | 02:42 |
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| jaem | krzysz00; what are your IP settings on both ends? | 02:43 |
| krzysz00 | host: (real lan; ip: 192.168.1.194 gateway: 192.168.1.1) (usb0: 192.168.2.14) tablet: ip 192.168.2.15 | 02:45 |
| jaem | krzysz00: what's the output of the route command on the host? | 02:46 |
| krzysz00 | 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 | 02:46 |
| krzysz00 | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 eth1 | 02:46 |
| krzysz00 | link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 usb0 | 02:46 |
| krzysz00 | default Wireless_Broadb 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 | 02:46 |
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| jaem | hrm | 02:47 |
| jaem | I've never had that link-local entry, although networking isn't my forte, so it may be fine | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | PS3 Slim looks nice. Too bad the PS3 still doesn't have any games. | 02:50 |
| krzysz00 | wonder what's going on | 02:52 |
| jaem | krzysz00: I'm not entirely sure, and I have to go any minute now | 02:53 |
| jaem | sorry | 02:53 |
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| krzysz00 | my maemo usb networking beetween a nokia n800 and a ubuntu jaunty pc can you help? | 03:07 |
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| krzysz00 | anyone | 03:09 |
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| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: The PS3 has a lot of great games. | 03:15 |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: The main problem with the PS3 Slim, at least from my point of view... can't install Linux on it. :/ | 03:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, yeah, I'm not sure I care so much about that. | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, but most of the great games are on the 360 anyway. | 03:28 |
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| zerojayPC | Two years ago, I would have understood. | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | A half-dozen games probably isn't a good enough justification to drop $300. | 03:34 |
| zerojayPC | Again, that comment would have been valid 2 years ago. | 03:34 |
| zerojayPC | PS3's got a ton of great exclusive games now. | 03:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, enlighten me. | 03:34 |
| zerojayPC | I've got better things to do with my time tonight. | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sorry, not being combative, I really would love to see a list. | 03:35 |
| zerojayPC | I'm hearing people talking about verifying a ton of bugs on the Maemo 5 SDK... I must be missing something since I don't really see anything I can check in the SDK. | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't pay much attention to the PS3 because of that whole 2-years-ago thing. | 03:36 |
| zerojayPC | What whole two years ago thing? | 03:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Lack of compelling exclusive titles, massively inflated price. | 03:37 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, I can understand that. | 03:37 |
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| zerojayPC | Anyways, are people just testing 3rd party apps with the SDK... because unless I'm blind, I don't really see anything else that I can run except for the app manager. | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, yeah, should be some stuff in Extras. | 03:38 |
| zerojayPC | But none of the main apps are included in the SDK then? Media player, the browser... nothing? | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, no closed-source stuff. | 03:40 |
| zerojayPC | So there's nothing really to do then. | 03:40 |
| zerojayPC | Tab doesn't work to switch text fields? Ugh. | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bug? | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, lot of Wii games I need to catch up on. | 03:41 |
| zerojayPC | There's only been 1 Wii game I've wanted to play. | 03:42 |
| zerojayPC | No... 2. | 03:42 |
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| zerojayPC | Red Steel 2 and Punchout. | 03:42 |
| zerojayPC | What a mistake that was. | 03:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | See, I don't have this bizarre hate against the Nintendo 3D titles. | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Perhaps since the 64 was more my childhood than the NES or SNES | 03:42 |
| zerojayPC | It's not bizarre hate. They're just plain boring for the most part. | 03:42 |
| zerojayPC | Most of the wii games. | 03:43 |
| zerojayPC | Including my own. | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, personally, I found Twilight Princess to be one of the best games I've ever played. | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | That sounds like a personal problem, honestly. ;) | 03:43 |
| zerojayPC | Well... you picked out the 1 series Nintendo's done in 3d that I really do have a hate for now, lol | 03:43 |
| zerojayPC | Zelda's a game that really didn't work in 3d and still hasn't. None of them feel like Zelda to me... just a generic 3d adventure given a 3rd party Zelda skin... too bad, I loved the older ones. | 03:44 |
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| zerojayPC | Mario worked out better in 3d... but feels like it's repeating itself too much. | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | That I'd agree with | 03:45 |
| zerojayPC | Basically just Mario 64 with better graphics and a new gimmick now. | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mario Galaxy mostly feels like Mario 64 in space | 03:45 |
| zerojayPC | Mario 64 is still one of my favorite games of all time. | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Although they got really creative with a lot of the gameplay mechanics. | 03:45 |
| zerojayPC | But when I see Sunshine and Galaxy... I shouldn't be able to pick out recycled animations from Mario 64 still. | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was one of those games where you really go "Wow, I've never seen that before" | 03:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | All of the 3D Zeldas are in my top-10 list. | 03:46 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, it was different. I liked Galaxy because it did something very different.. but I wasn't a huge fan. | 03:47 |
| zerojayPC | The 3d Zeldas were really the beginning of the end of my love for Nintendo. | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | It wasn't nearly as charming as Mario 64 | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3D Metroid I love. | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Corruption was fantastic. | 03:47 |
| zerojayPC | Metroid Prime is a great series. | 03:47 |
| zerojayPC | That worked out quite well. | 03:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry to hear that, because Ocarina is 1 or 2 for me. | 03:48 |
| zerojayPC | Ocarina... yeah, pretty much made me feel like i was playing an adventure game staring Quacky McFuckduck and Nintendo just decided to reskin it before release. lol | 03:48 |
| zerojayPC | Massive disappointment. | 03:49 |
| zerojayPC | Mario Kart 64... an even greater disappointment. | 03:49 |
| zerojayPC | Mario Kart could have been much better if it wasn't so SLOW. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, those two games were my childhhod. | 03:50 |
| zerojayPC | F-Zero 64 was really awesome, loved it. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus Smash | 03:50 |
| zerojayPC | Pilotwings 64 was also pretty good. | 03:50 |
| zerojayPC | Smash was cool until people started trying to play it seriously. lol | 03:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that too. | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Melee I had to stop playing because all of my friends started playing in tournaments. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just couldn't compete anymore. | 03:51 |
| zerojayPC | It's a fun game to play and I absolutely loved all the japanese Nintendo references only I seemed to get. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | September 2nd | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Everybody got their wallets ready? | 03:51 |
| zerojayPC | That's what his twitter said... that's not release date, but the announcement by Nokia. | 03:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | The whole idea seems to be having the release closely follow the announcement. | 03:52 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if it was right at Maemo Summit. | 03:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm done with this platform if they don't ship by the Summit. | 03:53 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 03:53 |
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| zerojayPC | I wouldn't mind if it ships a little afterwards if I get to go to the Summit this year. | 03:53 |
| zerojayPC | I say that now, of course. | 03:54 |
| zerojayPC | Because I know I'll be just as impatient after getting my hands on it. | 03:54 |
| zerojayPC | Well, I hope so, anyways. | 03:54 |
| zerojayPC | Just not sure I'm feeling the whole "I have gigantic fucking fingers and can't read!" Fremantle UI. | 03:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia has managed to pound all of the enthusiasm and optimism out of my. | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I have a feeling I'm about where you were last year. . . . | 03:55 |
| zerojayPC | A bad place, that's for sure. | 03:56 |
| zerojayPC | Wish it never happened. | 03:56 |
| zerojayPC | It was chasing a carrot on a stick in the worst way. | 03:56 |
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| zerojayPC | In a way, it's one of the reasons why I really want to go. | 03:57 |
| zerojayPC | To the Summit. | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Recharge | 03:58 |
| zerojayPC | Yes, that too. | 03:58 |
| zerojayPC | But to also see Quim. | 03:58 |
| zerojayPC | And maybe whomever was responsible for that whole clusterfuck. | 03:58 |
| zerojayPC | Had a good time at last year's? | 03:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Didn't go. | 04:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Had other obligations. | 04:00 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, might not be able to... don't know. | 04:00 |
| zerojayPC | My company asked me to move from Quebec to Halifax to help start up a new office. | 04:01 |
| zerojayPC | Around October/November. | 04:01 |
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| zerojayPC | My boss is pretty leinent though. | 04:01 |
| zerojayPC | My wife, on the other hand... heh. | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 04:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Got friends up in Halifax. Nice place. | 04:02 |
| zerojayPC | She's going to be giving me guilt trips. lol | 04:02 |
| zerojayPC | I was born there, but haven't been back there since birth... always been in Montreal, Quebec or the US, so I'm interested in checking it out. | 04:02 |
| zerojayPC | Problem is that the company decided to tell me about this on July 2nd. | 04:03 |
| zerojayPC | The day after my year lease renewed. | 04:03 |
| zerojayPC | So between now and November... I have no clue what is going to happen. lol | 04:03 |
| zerojayPC | If I get sponsorship, I'll find a way to make it happen. | 04:04 |
| zerojayPC | You'll be there this year? | 04:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Planning on it. | 04:05 |
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| Macer | hm | 05:23 |
| Macer | matchbox seems like it will be more of a learning curve than i thought | 05:23 |
| Macer | if i could find a good theme to download . that would be neet :) | 05:23 |
| Macer | but i don't know how themes work in matchbox | 05:24 |
| Macer | nor do i really want to take the time to figure it out heh | 05:24 |
| * Macer switches to fluxbox | 05:24 | |
| zakkm | Macer: fluxbox would suck :P | 05:27 |
| zakkm | get like xfce with one panel or something ;P | 05:27 |
| zakkm | use mer's fvwm config.. in gentoo | 05:27 |
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| Macer | fluxbox isn't that bad :-P | 05:31 |
| Macer | if you config it correctly | 05:32 |
| zakkm | yo hey its my favourite window manager | 05:32 |
| zakkm | jwm , ratpoison, openbox.. can goto hell | 05:32 |
| Macer | it's just that i need something working now and don't want to go through the learning curve for matchbox | 05:32 |
| zakkm | desktop wise.. i wouldnt use anything that isnt fluxbox.. in terms of lightweight | 05:32 |
| Macer | like if i could just download and install a theme | 05:32 |
| zakkm | but on the tablet.. | 05:32 |
| Macer | and add it to ~/.matchbox/themes | 05:32 |
| zakkm | its not useful | 05:32 |
| Macer | and just run matchbox-session --theme ~/.matchbox/theme/themename | 05:32 |
| Macer | :) that would be nice | 05:32 |
| Macer | which is how it looks like it is supposed to be done | 05:33 |
| zakkm | ive never heard of such flag | 05:33 |
| zakkm | --theme? | 05:33 |
| zakkm | in anything | 05:33 |
| Macer | and i installed matchbox-themes-extras | 05:33 |
| Macer | lol.... | 05:33 |
| Macer | one sec | 05:33 |
| zakkm | i believe you lol i just never came across it myself | 05:34 |
| zakkm | in all my linux adventures | 05:34 |
| Macer | http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/manual/wm.html#wmthemes | 05:35 |
| Macer | The easiest way is to use matchbox-remote to change the current theme; | 05:35 |
| Macer | matchbox-remote -t <theme name> | 05:35 |
| Macer | i guess the themes are stored in xml files | 05:35 |
| zakkm | what did it look like | 05:35 |
| zakkm | matchbox | 05:35 |
| Macer | like shit :) | 05:36 |
| Macer | like twm when you first install X | 05:36 |
| Macer | haha | 05:36 |
| zakkm | ew | 05:36 |
| zakkm | just try fvwm with mer's fvwm config | 05:36 |
| zakkm | it would look like mer one, and be gentoo underneath? | 05:36 |
| zakkm | i thought you liked mer's fvwm screenie | 05:37 |
| zakkm | fvwm is more lightweight than fluxbox isnt it | 05:37 |
| Macer | honestly don't know | 05:37 |
| Macer | just got X going ;) | 05:37 |
| Macer | was looking for a good wm | 05:37 |
| Macer | going to mess with this for a few more minutes then go to bed | 05:38 |
| Macer | but just in case i'm going to build fluxbox :) | 05:38 |
| zakkm | it will be qucik | 05:38 |
| Macer | at the very least i know fluxbox works | 05:38 |
| Macer | heh | 05:38 |
| Macer | not really | 05:39 |
| Macer | i have to build a few deps | 05:39 |
| zakkm | you should do e17 illume :) | 05:39 |
| zakkm | if you get that building right , that would be sickkk | 05:39 |
| zakkm | the deps of fluxbox are nothing | 05:39 |
| Macer | yeah but running emerge on an n810 takes a while | 05:39 |
| Macer | it will probably take longer for emerge to run all its stuff than the actual building | 05:40 |
| zakkm | what you using for emerge | 05:40 |
| zakkm | emerge ___ ? | 05:40 |
| zakkm | -__* | 05:40 |
| Macer | and it also has to go through all the configure stuff | 05:40 |
| Macer | zakkm: i didn't install that other one yet :-P | 05:40 |
| Macer | i just got everything installed monday.. right now i'm working on the config | 05:40 |
| zakkm | no i mean like | 05:40 |
| zakkm | emerge -av package... emerge -DNav ? ? | 05:40 |
| Macer | there's also a bug in cups that i need to talk to slo about so he can point me to it again :) | 05:40 |
| Macer | er | 05:40 |
| Macer | i just did emerge -v fluxbox | 05:41 |
| zakkm | you should always have at least av | 05:41 |
| Macer | a just asks | 05:41 |
| zakkm | yeah | 05:41 |
| zakkm | so you can see if it has the flags yo uwant | 05:41 |
| zakkm | how many are going to compile, filesize etc | 05:41 |
| Macer | i just did emerge -vp | 05:41 |
| Macer | and looked at the flags | 05:41 |
| zakkm | oh | 05:41 |
| zakkm | lol | 05:41 |
| Macer | then add them | 05:41 |
| Macer | because if i add any i'd have to run it again anyways | 05:41 |
| zakkm | but then you do up arrow | 05:42 |
| zakkm | for last command | 05:42 |
| zakkm | you dont have to retype emerge __ | 05:42 |
| Macer | haha | 05:42 |
| Macer | and 3 secs of my life is saved :) | 05:42 |
| zakkm | no | 05:42 |
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| zakkm | if you have a super long list , in console | 05:42 |
| zakkm | just what i was taught :P | 05:42 |
| Macer | then i just scroll up | 05:42 |
| Macer | haha | 05:42 |
| Macer | then again. there's always --newuse | 05:42 |
| Macer | :) | 05:42 |
| Macer | which i think i'm honestly going to have to run on world soon | 05:43 |
| zakkm | thats only if you change stuff though | 05:43 |
| Macer | which i have | 05:43 |
| zakkm | hah | 05:43 |
| Macer | and i'm not sure if i missed some pkgs haha | 05:43 |
| Macer | ah well :) | 05:43 |
| zakkm | do it when your 100% done | 05:43 |
| zakkm | you should add -D too | 05:43 |
| Macer | yeah | 05:43 |
| hipitihop | anyone know the status of maemo on the freerunner ? | 05:43 |
| Macer | -D ? | 05:43 |
| zakkm | hipitihop: maemo on freerunner, ... mer you mean? | 05:43 |
| zakkm | maemo wont support freerunner | 05:44 |
| hipitihop | zakkm: yes | 05:44 |
| zakkm | it works fine doesnt it? | 05:44 |
| zakkm | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.15 <--- bottom "rootfs for neo freerunner" | 05:44 |
| hipitihop | zakkm: I don't know I guess that is why I'm asking, last time I checked I thought there was work to be done including using fso etc. | 05:44 |
| zakkm | they all have work to be done | 05:45 |
| zakkm | even the nokia still has alot missing | 05:45 |
| zakkm | never going to be finished though | 05:45 |
| zakkm | well, distros dont get finished.. they always work in progress :P | 05:45 |
| Macer | heh | 05:45 |
| hipitihop | zakkm: indeed :-) ... it looks like I'm in the wrong channel, should I be in #mer ? | 05:45 |
| zakkm | well everyone thats in mer is here | 05:46 |
| zakkm | and vice versa mostly | 05:46 |
| Macer | zakkm: at least i can use console | 05:46 |
| Macer | :) | 05:46 |
| zakkm | lucky | 05:46 |
| zakkm | i wanted to | 05:46 |
| zakkm | heres the plan, you come in october for linuxfest ontario, and you let me use your n810 kk? :) | 05:46 |
| zakkm | i never seen one in person | 05:46 |
| Macer | it is actually pretty nice | 05:46 |
| Macer | good res | 05:46 |
| zakkm | everyone i seen has been n800 /770 | 05:47 |
| zakkm | good res? | 05:47 |
| zakkm | its the same res | 05:47 |
| zakkm | its just formfactor | 05:47 |
| Macer | for a console | 05:47 |
| zakkm | oh | 05:47 |
| Macer | the fb works well | 05:47 |
| zakkm | ahh | 05:47 |
| zakkm | i wanted it :( | 05:47 |
| Macer | with its raped fb module haha | 05:47 |
| zakkm | any chance your near toronto , canada ? :) | 05:47 |
| Macer | well | 05:48 |
| Macer | im in chicago | 05:48 |
| zakkm | oh yes right i knew that | 05:48 |
| Macer | ontario would probably be 10 hrs by car | 05:48 |
| Macer | heh | 05:48 |
| zakkm | its a good thing your kid likes roadtrips eh? :) | 05:48 |
| Macer | hahaha | 05:48 |
| Macer | no he doesnt | 05:48 |
| Macer | we always fly | 05:48 |
| zakkm | hey man dont complain its toronto... and if your driving your be passing niagara falls | 05:49 |
| zakkm | seeing 2 of the 7 wonders of the world | 05:49 |
| Macer | i can go to google images | 05:49 |
| Macer | waterfalls are just running water | 05:49 |
| zakkm | but then you dont get to see me drool all over your tablet :) | 05:49 |
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| hipitihop | zakkm: so that fr image, does it now have phone and sms working ? | 05:49 |
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| zakkm | neo runner is a phone, i doubt it | 05:49 |
| Macer | just sell the n800 for like 100 | 05:49 |
| zakkm | i would go with no , but im not the expert | 05:50 |
| Macer | and get an n810 | 05:50 |
| zakkm | Macer: i been tryingg and im brokee | 05:50 |
| zakkm | i work like once every 3 weeks | 05:50 |
| Macer | woah | 05:50 |
| Macer | thats rough | 05:50 |
| zakkm | well | 05:50 |
| zakkm | just lately | 05:50 |
| Macer | once i get cups going | 05:51 |
| zakkm | you can wireless print mail :) | 05:51 |
| Macer | im going to try oo | 05:51 |
| zakkm | ill start a print server :D | 05:51 |
| Macer | haha | 05:51 |
| zakkm | you can print stuff to me :) | 05:51 |
| zakkm | "hi" | 05:51 |
| Macer | hahaha | 05:51 |
| zakkm | sorry, bit drunk | 05:51 |
| Macer | over a vpn | 05:51 |
| zakkm | vpn, just print server | 05:51 |
| zakkm | no need for vpn | 05:51 |
| Macer | i want to use my vpn | 05:52 |
| Macer | if i could do that | 05:52 |
| zakkm | got a friend getting me the Snow leopard 10a433 server edition disc :P | 05:52 |
| Macer | no zfs | 05:52 |
| zakkm | so what | 05:52 |
| zakkm | i need quicktime server :P | 05:52 |
| zakkm | bought a new webcam hah off ebay | 05:52 |
| zakkm | wanna see? | 05:52 |
| Macer | cant | 05:53 |
| zakkm | kk | 05:53 |
| Macer | not in x yet | 05:53 |
| Macer | and no browser | 05:53 |
| Macer | lying down | 05:53 |
| zakkm | compile links with graphic use flag | 05:53 |
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| zakkm | and get uhh | 05:53 |
| zakkm | gpm | 05:53 |
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| Macer | there is a graphics flag for links? | 05:54 |
| Macer | for fb? | 05:54 |
| zakkm | are you kidding me | 05:54 |
| zakkm | of course | 05:54 |
| Macer | lol | 05:54 |
| Macer | wow | 05:54 |
| zakkm | you never used links -g ? | 05:54 |
| zakkm | are you serious | 05:54 |
| Macer | honestly never did | 05:54 |
| zakkm | its like links.. as a app, works in frame buffer though | 05:55 |
| zakkm | and has proper color, picture support and all | 05:55 |
| Macer | wow | 05:55 |
| Macer | that sounds awesome | 05:55 |
| zakkm | tis why i want a n810 :( | 05:55 |
| Macer | makes me wonder why i need x | 05:55 |
| Macer | haha | 05:55 |
| zakkm | links -g , cplay , irssi with jabber | 05:55 |
| zakkm | and mplayer | 05:55 |
| zakkm | you really dont need X | 05:55 |
| Macer | lol | 05:55 |
| zakkm | well, your run out of consoles | 05:55 |
| Macer | i need it for ooffice | 05:56 |
| zakkm | lol you couldnt run all in console | 05:57 |
| zakkm | it would be lightweight tho | 05:57 |
| Macer | ooffice? | 05:57 |
| Macer | dont think that would work | 05:57 |
| zakkm | it wont | 05:57 |
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| zakkm | it requires X :P | 05:58 |
| zakkm | ohhh | 05:58 |
| zakkm | have dillo too :) great browser, tried in mer | 05:58 |
| Macer | and i am not sure about gpm support for the touchscreen either | 05:58 |
| zakkm | cant type though cause its not gtk2 | 05:58 |
| zakkm | use flag gpm | 05:58 |
| zakkm | and then it will give you touchscreen in console? | 05:58 |
| zakkm | theres others i think but yeah | 05:58 |
| Macer | dunno | 05:58 |
| Macer | just started | 05:58 |
| zakkm | have you used gentoo before? | 05:59 |
| zakkm | like desktop or something | 05:59 |
| Macer | yes | 05:59 |
| Macer | 2 yrs ago | 05:59 |
| zakkm | oh nice | 06:00 |
| Macer | used it quite a bit | 06:00 |
| zakkm | i dont get why you guys didnt make a binhots for some things | 06:00 |
| zakkm | all tablets are the same, might as well have a binhost for some stuff | 06:00 |
| Macer | then i used fbsd, and now opensolaris | 06:00 |
| zakkm | gtk+ , X and such | 06:00 |
| Macer | zakkm: dunno, never did that in gentoo | 06:00 |
| zakkm | i meant for tablet | 06:01 |
| zakkm | so installs dont take so long | 06:01 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr has one | 06:01 |
| zakkm | like some stuff like pidgin.. that ppl change by use flags.. so you dont | 06:01 |
| Macer | havent used it tho | 06:01 |
| Macer | not my project | 06:01 |
| Macer | heh | 06:01 |
| zakkm | but Xorg .. that wont change, thats hardware specific choices | 06:01 |
| zakkm | save alot on install time | 06:01 |
| Macer | yah, i asked him about that | 06:02 |
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| Macer | nokia stuff cant be in the tarball | 06:02 |
| Macer | lic problem | 06:02 |
| Macer | heh | 06:02 |
| zakkm | lic? | 06:02 |
| zakkm | not the tarball | 06:02 |
| Macer | license | 06:02 |
| Macer | oh | 06:02 |
| zakkm | a repository .. binhost = binary repository | 06:02 |
| zakkm | non official :P | 06:03 |
| Macer | might be a lic problem there too | 06:03 |
| Macer | need to have sr available | 06:03 |
| Macer | src | 06:03 |
| zakkm | no? | 06:03 |
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| zakkm | gentoo can be binary, it doesnt have to be source , it just ruins the point | 06:03 |
| Macer | are there use flags for arm things | 06:03 |
| Macer | ? | 06:03 |
| zakkm | no | 06:03 |
| zakkm | those are cxxflags and cflags. | 06:04 |
| zakkm | cpu specifics | 06:04 |
| Macer | no arm mmx | 06:04 |
| Macer | ? | 06:04 |
| Macer | :) | 06:04 |
| zakkm | it wouldnt change anything | 06:04 |
| Macer | oh | 06:04 |
| zakkm | and the cflag would do that | 06:04 |
| zakkm | with or without use flag | 06:04 |
| Macer | ok, sleep | 06:05 |
| zakkm | night. | 06:05 |
| Macer | will continue tomorrow | 06:05 |
| Macer | night | 06:05 |
| Macer | need gkrellm2 too | 06:05 |
| zakkm | hah | 06:05 |
| Macer | wonder how well it works with tablet | 06:05 |
| zakkm | it was uhh | 06:06 |
| Macer | for sensors | 06:06 |
| zakkm | in penguinbaits port of something he had it | 06:06 |
| zakkm | but it ran inside maemo as a chroot though, so thats different | 06:06 |
| Macer | battery at least | 06:06 |
| zakkm | does it have battery support? | 06:06 |
| zakkm | gentoo port | 06:06 |
| Macer | yes | 06:06 |
| Macer | bme-client works | 06:06 |
| zakkm | so then it will work fine | 06:07 |
| zakkm | omg why cant i finish this beer | 06:07 |
| Macer | coward | 06:08 |
| Macer | hahaha | 06:08 |
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| zakkm | smallest amount left idk cant seem to chu git | 06:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Goddamn Tegra. | 06:42 |
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| StsN810 | morn | 08:01 |
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| * man_in_shack waves | 09:03 | |
| man_in_shack | how would you get a pygtk app to respond to the fullscreen button? | 09:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Google "pymaemo tutorial", click the first result, and find "key-press-event" | 09:05 |
| man_in_shack | ok | 09:05 |
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| man_in_shack | ty | 09:08 |
| man_in_shack | helpful as always :D | 09:09 |
| man_in_shack | i've now got a fullscreenable big red button :D | 09:10 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 09:10 |
| man_in_shack | slightly dithered due to not enough colour definition for my images ... i'll have to fix that later :P | 09:11 |
| man_in_shack | bye! | 09:11 |
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| ron1n | Hey guys, this may not be the best place to ask, but do you have any information on a next gen tablet? Possibly using maemo 5 I just heard about? | 09:34 |
| roope | :D it is either a very good place or a very bad place to ask. | 09:37 |
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| roope | perhaps try reading talk.maemo.org forums for the latest speculation. | 09:37 |
| roope | there's plenty of chatter there. | 09:38 |
| zakkm | of what? | 09:38 |
| roope | Maemo future stuff. | 09:39 |
| zakkm | ah | 09:40 |
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| RST38h | So quiet...Not discussing the screenshots, are we? =) | 09:42 |
| * timeless_mbp considers discussing suggested forms of torture | 09:43 | |
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| * zakkm wants to hear about different forms of torture | 09:45 | |
| StsN810_ | heh, i just get more sure i want a tablet by those | 09:45 |
| zakkm | RX-51 ones? | 09:45 |
| zakkm | Morning StsN810 | 09:46 |
| Luke-Jr | is anyone else here seriously considering getting rid of and ceasing usage of computers? | 09:46 |
| Macer | hm | 09:46 |
| Luke-Jr | or just me? | 09:46 |
| StsN810_ | maemo5 is more accurate to say | 09:46 |
| StsN810_ | luke-jr: i have that feeling often | 09:46 |
| zakkm | StsN810_: installed mer 0.16testing2 btw, and realized i dont have linux anymore to try usb networking | 09:46 |
| Luke-Jr | StsN810_: really? | 09:47 |
| StsN810_ | zakkm, wait for t3 | 09:47 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: your keymaps don't work in X huh? | 09:47 |
| zakkm | estimated time frame of release? | 09:47 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: shrug | 09:47 |
| Macer | i' m stuck without any fn characters again :( | 09:47 |
| zakkm | sorry summer nearing end, trying to calendar mark stuff | 09:47 |
| Macer | did i miss a step? | 09:47 |
| StsN810_ | zakkm, today | 09:47 |
| zakkm | oh wow cool | 09:47 |
| zakkm | thanks :) | 09:48 |
| RST38h | zakkm: How about giving you RX-51 running WinMo? | 09:48 |
| RST38h | Heya Sts, Macer | 09:48 |
| zakkm | i love windows mobile? :) | 09:48 |
| zakkm | friend has a htc touch with windows mobile, i like it | 09:48 |
| zakkm | hate typing but yeah :P | 09:49 |
| zakkm | windows mobile is sick | 09:49 |
| StsN810_ | luke-jr: i occasionally subscribe to the butlerian jihad thoughts | 09:49 |
| RST38h | Sts: Which ones? | 09:50 |
| zakkm | doesnt make more of a tablet OS though, its more of a phone/pda | 09:50 |
| StsN810_ | rst38h, thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of the human mind" | 09:51 |
| StsN810_ | s/the/a/ | 09:51 |
| infobot | StsN810_ meant: rst38h, thou shalt not make a machine in a likeness of the human mind" | 09:51 |
| StsN810_ | .. | 09:51 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ah, that... | 09:53 |
| Luke-Jr | what do computers have in common with the human mind? :/ | 09:53 |
| StsN810_ | and how repulsed by how guided and controlled by machines they had become :P | 09:53 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I would be more worried about human minds degenerating to machine state nowadays | 09:53 |
| Luke-Jr | I'm mostly just frustrated with the low quality of programmers I think | 09:54 |
| Luke-Jr | sure, there are exceptions, but every OS has at least a significant part in crappy code | 09:54 |
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| Macer | Luke-Jr: is there somewhere i can find out the keymappings for the n810 and how to change them in X? | 09:55 |
| Luke-Jr | xmodmap | 09:55 |
| slonopotamus | hello, maemo | 09:55 |
| RST38h | Luke: Have you ever done computer programming? | 09:56 |
| slonopotamus | :) | 09:56 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Not much to say which hasn't already been said on tmo (about 6,000,000,000 times) | 09:56 |
| Macer | i have fluxbox going | 09:56 |
| Macer | it's actually not too bad on the tablet :) | 09:56 |
| Macer | once i get like a tranparent term going and background and stuff | 09:56 |
| Macer | it will be pretty awesome | 09:57 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, and matchbox? | 09:57 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: where was that cups bug again? i'm about to emerge it | 09:57 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i just got that installed a little while ago | 09:57 |
| Macer | i have to learn how to make it look better than ths stock | 09:57 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Well, the original Russian blog entry does have a few details that Google Translate chewed up | 09:57 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, google: gentoo bug cups cflags | 09:57 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: i tried that but i'll try again | 09:57 |
| slonopotamus | err | 09:58 |
| zakkm | Macer: get rxvt-unicode and start it with "urxvt -tr +sb -fg white" | 09:58 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Ah, of course. Care to provide a decent translation? | 09:58 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: yeah. i did that already | 09:58 |
| Macer | but get a bunch of everything else and now what i was looking for :) | 09:58 |
| Jaffa | Bits I remmeber "more screenshots to come", "full preview on announce day", "best device of 2009" | 09:59 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, http://bugs.gentoo.org/261214 | 09:59 |
| Macer | ok thanks | 09:59 |
| Macer | i'll book mark it | 09:59 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, found by 'gentoo bugzilla cups cflags' | 09:59 |
| Macer | and start emerging things with cups support after it's installed | 09:59 |
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| Macer | oh | 10:00 |
| Macer | let me man xmodmap | 10:00 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, I have just got to a real computer after a few days, going to post the decent translation in a moment | 10:00 |
| Macer | and work on getting this damn kb to work like it does in the console | 10:00 |
| Macer | then i'll be set | 10:00 |
| Macer | :) | 10:00 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, that was with cups-1.3.10-r1. maybe newer versions magically got fixed, dunno | 10:00 |
| Macer | cups and an office app are top of the to do list | 10:01 |
| Macer | oh | 10:01 |
| Macer | i'm sure something like that would have to be | 10:01 |
| Macer | that is a pretty major bug :) | 10:01 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, i suggest trying 1.3.11 before patching | 10:02 |
| Macer | fsck | 10:02 |
| Macer | file not found | 10:02 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 10:02 |
| Macer | /lib/libkid.so.1 no version information available | 10:03 |
| Macer | i think thats when i had a conflict of interest between e2fsprogs | 10:03 |
| slonopotamus | oooh! | 10:03 |
| slonopotamus | that's an old story | 10:03 |
| slonopotamus | they got split in e2fsprogs + e2fsprogs-libs | 10:04 |
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| Macer | relly? | 10:05 |
| Macer | why would they do something like that? :) | 10:05 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, http://www.odi.ch/weblog/posting.php?posting=524 | 10:05 |
| Macer | i know like there is one that is part of linux-utils | 10:05 |
| Macer | or something like that | 10:05 |
| Macer | and the other is part of e2fsprogs | 10:05 |
| Macer | or whatever it's called | 10:05 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, does emerge -vpuND world system resolve conflict? | 10:07 |
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| Macer | let me see | 10:09 |
| Macer | i think i actually unemerged e2fsprogs just to install X or something | 10:09 |
| Macer | i forgot what it was | 10:09 |
| Macer | just as a temp fix then remerged it later | 10:09 |
| Macer | which is fine as long as i don't check the hd when it boots haha | 10:10 |
| Macer | but bad if the fs is broken :) | 10:10 |
| Macer | OH | 10:12 |
| Macer | i know why it screwed up but yeah. i don't have any conflicts with that slonopotamus | 10:12 |
| Macer | wow that's going to be a very long build | 10:13 |
| Macer | when i built a lot of stuff i used the unstable branch in the beginning then changed the flag | 10:15 |
| * Macer puts his n810 on the charger | 10:15 | |
| Macer | it's going to be doing this for like 10 days haha | 10:15 |
| RST38h | Whoever wanted exact translation of Eldar Murtazin's post, here, feed: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=312969#post312969 | 10:16 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, you don't have to build all that | 10:18 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: going to anyways | 10:20 |
| Macer | just to make sure the unnecessary unstable branch stuff is removed | 10:21 |
| Macer | minus the stuff in unmask and keywords | 10:21 |
| Macer | RST38h: does it show how to get sound working in a gentoo install on a tablet? :) | 10:21 |
| Macer | haha | 10:21 |
| Macer | i was reading the sound on tablet stuff | 10:21 |
| Macer | or sound in deblet.. seems kind of a pain | 10:22 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: btw, Deblet =~ Mer | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | mer sound is actually easier, heh | 10:22 |
| Macer | lol | 10:23 |
| RST38h | Macer: No, but the solution is very simple anyway | 10:23 |
| Macer | RST38h: yah? have a link? | 10:23 |
| RST38h | Macer: 1) Remove Gentoo 2) Install Diablo | 10:23 |
| Macer | hahahah | 10:23 |
| Macer | why do that? i can just boot to the internal SD ;) | 10:24 |
| RST38h | True | 10:24 |
| Macer | instead of the external | 10:24 |
| Macer | but i want it working in gentoo | 10:24 |
| RST38h | But in general, I am not sure why run Gentoo on the tablet | 10:24 |
| Macer | i'm about to try to build openoffice or at least abiword with cups support | 10:24 |
| Macer | that will be great | 10:24 |
| RST38h | Build on the tablet? :) | 10:24 |
| Macer | yah | 10:24 |
| RST38h | Ah, the adventurous one | 10:24 |
| Macer | lol | 10:24 |
| Macer | it works fine | 10:24 |
| Macer | a little slow but still not too bad | 10:25 |
| Luke-Jr | RST38h: Macer's tried Maemo, Mer, and Gentoo; according to him, Gentoo works the best ;) | 10:25 |
| Macer | no. maemo works the best.. but is being abandoned and is difficult to get cups support in hildon apps | 10:25 |
| Macer | gentoo is almost as good if i get the sound working ;) | 10:25 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: the overall-best? :P | 10:25 |
| RST38h | Luke: I wonder what he uses to measure this "best" thing... | 10:25 |
| Macer | yeah | 10:25 |
| Macer | RST38h: i consider it being the best if i can use it like an actual laptop with a working ui and print over a vpn ;) | 10:26 |
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| Macer | so i guess maemo and gentoo are tied only because maemo has the hardware all working stock | 10:26 |
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| Luke-Jr | bbl | 10:26 |
| Macer | if it had printing support built into some apps | 10:26 |
| Macer | i'd keep maemo4 forever heh | 10:26 |
| Macer | if it had a stripped down openoffice. it would be godlike | 10:27 |
| Macer | gentoo makes it feel more like a slow laptop tho :) | 10:27 |
| Macer | which is absolutely awesome | 10:27 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Urgh | 10:28 |
| Macer | and the thing about gentoo is once you finally get it to where you want it to be | 10:28 |
| Macer | you don't really need to build that much more :) as long as it does what you want | 10:28 |
| * RST38h hopes Nokia has seen the light and is working on adding SOME office support to Maemo right now | 10:28 | |
| Macer | like print from an office app heh | 10:28 |
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| Macer | yeah. that's really all it is lacking | 10:28 |
| RST38h | The RX-51 looks like a business device, if it misses core business apps people will be disappointed | 10:28 |
| Macer | maemo4 would be beyond the best if it had office type apps that could print | 10:28 |
| Macer | my n95 could print to bt printers :) | 10:29 |
| Macer | heh | 10:29 |
| Macer | wtf? | 10:29 |
| RST38h | I am sure you can piece together printing support even without cups | 10:29 |
| RST38h | My E70 can print to BT printers :) | 10:29 |
| Macer | but the cups is necessary | 10:29 |
| RST38h | As long as they are made by HP anyway | 10:29 |
| Macer | to print to network printers | 10:29 |
| Macer | over a vpn ;) | 10:29 |
| RST38h | Macer: Piece together some kind of a gateway | 10:29 |
| Macer | that'd be pimp | 10:29 |
| Macer | i guess that is why they marketed it as an "internet tablet" | 10:30 |
| Macer | so it wouldn't have been seen as an office device | 10:30 |
| Macer | just something to get on the net with | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Surely RX-51 will be called a different name ;) | 10:30 |
| Macer | so people wouldn't be disappointed when they found out | 10:30 |
| Macer | haha | 10:30 |
| Macer | "ah well.. i guess i expected too much from an internet tablet" | 10:30 |
| RST38h | Ok, back to suffering another sunstroke on the beach =( | 10:32 |
| Macer | RST38h: yah. if nokia actually does finally release a new "tablet" | 10:32 |
| Macer | i'd buy it in a heartbeat | 10:32 |
| Macer | but i'm sure i'd still use my n810 for a lot of stuff if i can get an awesome gentoo install going | 10:33 |
| ron1n | roope: sorry for the delayed gratitude, but thanks =] | 10:33 |
| RST38h | Macer: RX-51 will be a tablet, as far as we are all concerned, you have seen the pictures | 10:33 |
| RST38h | Macer: If you do not like the baseband chip, do not use it | 10:33 |
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| roope | I don't really know anymore how people define a "tablet" vs. a non-tablet. | 10:33 |
| RST38h | roope: Not N800 = non-tablet ;) | 10:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Can it make calls using a GSM network? =) | 10:34 |
| Corsac | when is maemo summit? | 10:34 |
| RST38h | roope: In reality you will hear all kinds of justification (no dual SD slot, no dpad, phone capability) but if you look behind these you will see "Not N800 => not a tablet" | 10:34 |
| roope | "Not what I was expecting" => "Not a tablet". ;) | 10:35 |
| RST38h | roope: It is like those iPhone folks who always complain how NIT is not an iPhone | 10:35 |
| Macer | heh | 10:36 |
| RST38h | roope: The only way to satisfy them is basically make NIT into an iPhone with ALL features present, all the way to AppStore | 10:36 |
| Macer | well. i was more so distinguishing between "tablet" and "internet tablet" | 10:36 |
| Macer | ;) | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | roope: Only when Steve Jobs' patented toilet plunger is ALL the way up their collective ass, only then will they accept that "NIT is an iPhone now" :) | 10:37 |
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| roope | Anyways. I think many people will be generally happy with the rx-51. | 10:41 |
| roope | At least there are a number of things that I am generally happy with it. :) | 10:41 |
| ron1n | wow, so the "N900" is like the N97 without Symbian. That really sounds prefect. | 10:41 |
| pupnik_ | i think RST38h has summarized popular expectations well | 10:41 |
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| roope | It shouldn't be a faster horse, it should be a faster N800. | 10:42 |
| pupnik_ | i am basically happy a major manufacturer is making linux tablets and phones | 10:43 |
| pupnik_ | that overrides the whine-reflex for me | 10:43 |
| ron1n | pupnik_: I felt the same joy when the 770 was introduced. | 10:43 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 10:43 |
| pupnik_ | would be more awesome of course to have a whole range of omap3 tablets and phones running linux | 10:44 |
| pupnik_ | or maemo | 10:44 |
| ron1n | thats why I chose an android handset this time around | 10:44 |
| Razumihin | or hate everything and die alone :( | 10:44 |
| ron1n | pupnik_: I found theres much open source love in the N series of handsets | 10:45 |
| ron1n | the latest one however, the N97, has just received awful reviews. I couldn't justify the purchase. | 10:46 |
| pupnik_ | why awful? | 10:46 |
| pupnik_ | old apps? | 10:46 |
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| ron1n | well, apparently the latest version of Symbian is really unresponsive and buggy | 10:47 |
| ron1n | and firmware v1.2 hasn't really done much to fix the stability issues. | 10:47 |
| roope | I'd personally recommend the E72. | 10:47 |
| roope | Instead of the N97. | 10:47 |
| ron1n | roope: the E series always seemed underpowered to me | 10:47 |
| roope | ronin: E72 has the 600mhz processor. | 10:48 |
| Razumihin | Hmm... i don't think that n97 is that buggy really. Some of the applications like facebook are, but in overall n97 crashes couple of times a week. | 10:48 |
| roope | It's _really_ not underpowered. :) | 10:48 |
| Razumihin | If you compare that to windows mobile crashing once a day i think it's not bad. | 10:48 |
| ron1n | roope: I don't mean in brute force, I mean in multimedia capabilities. The focus of the E series was more business oriented. | 10:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | N97 was a rushed job due to the developers knowing that their work would be obsolete with Rover ;P | 10:49 |
| Razumihin | Main problem with n97 and symbian 5th is the limited software availability, you just can't get decent memo program to it. | 10:49 |
| ron1n | Razumihin: yeah, this is only the second device to ship with it, its still young | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Heh :) | 10:49 |
| roope | ronin: Yes, kind of. Then again, E72 has the 3.5" headphone jack, it runs mp3:s, browser runs flash etc. | 10:50 |
| Razumihin | qwerty12_N810: might be. | 10:50 |
| roope | I think it's pretty versatile already. | 10:50 |
| pupnik_ | i would be scared of a 3.5" headphone jack | 10:50 |
| roope | 3.5mm :) | 10:50 |
| ron1n | I loved it on my N95 | 10:50 |
| Razumihin | I still think that as a phone n97 is pretty decent, it has great calll quality and you get used to the keyboard. | 10:50 |
| ron1n | Razumihin: I longed for a touchscreen device that had a physical keyboard and ran symbian | 10:51 |
| ron1n | but being the second device to run Symbian 5, it just seems to good to be true right now | 10:51 |
| ron1n | I would love even more for user upgradeable operating systems in the N and E series haha | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: thanks for the translation | 10:53 |
| Razumihin | I'm still waiting for people to understand that their phones are really small sized arm computers and they should have the possibility to choose their operating system. | 10:53 |
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| ron1n | Razumihin: I agree who heartedly | 10:55 |
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| ron1n | I quickly found out the difference between a mobile OS and a full featured OS when I installed android on my eee pc. | 10:56 |
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| ron1n | it just felt a whole lot less useful. Then I thought about doing it the other way around. | 10:56 |
| ron1n | So the first thing I do when I get my HTC magic, is try to install debian on it. | 10:56 |
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| StsN810_ | is it hacked yet? :P | 10:58 |
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| ron1n | StsN810_: Yeah they've managed to root it =D | 11:01 |
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| StsN810_ | heh, but can they replace kernel? | 11:02 |
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| ron1n | StsN810_: I don't doubt they (xda-developers.org) | 11:02 |
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| ron1n | can't* | 11:03 |
| ron1n | They managed to do it on the G1 (htc dream) | 11:03 |
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| ron1n | I really don't like the idea of using exploits and backdoors to gain root access to a device I own though. | 11:04 |
| ron1n | alas, the price you pay for Linux with a 3G radio. | 11:04 |
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| StsN810_ | so rx-51 will be bliss | 11:06 |
| ron1n | I would have love to stick around for it, but I couldn't wait. My original model N-gage kicked the bucket a few months ago. | 11:07 |
| ron1n | I couldn't wait a day longer, not even for the N97 fw2.0 | 11:07 |
| Jaffa | ron1n: The price you pay for Linux with a 3G radio is about to change (as StsN810_ says) | 11:08 |
| ron1n | Jaffa: and I can't wait =] | 11:09 |
| Corsac | roope: but e72 is not yet available :/ | 11:09 |
| ron1n | I have just been without a handset for so long. I keep checking engadget and waiting for the next new thing XD | 11:09 |
| Corsac | (and yeah, e72 looks nice but *if* rover comes soon enough, I think between it and e72 the choice will not last long | 11:10 |
| Corsac | I mean, symbian vs. maemo | 11:10 |
| ron1n | I think maemo, once matured, has the power to replace symbian. | 11:11 |
| ron1n | nevermind, I take that back. Its the same thing as Debian vs Android. | 11:13 |
| ron1n | Full os vs mobile os. | 11:13 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes andre__ | 11:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | andre__ could you upstream 4101/4103? | 11:15 |
| * qwerty12_N810 <3's HildonStackableWindow | 11:15 | |
| StsN810_ | qwerty12, saw my freemantle shot? | 11:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, where is it? :) | 11:17 |
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| StsN810_ | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/freemantle-appmanager.png | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | StsN810_: "Freemantle" is just too confusing ;-) | 11:18 |
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| StsN810_ | jaffa, intentional :> | 11:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Hehe, nice. Now all you need to do is tie wazd to a chair and get him to make you a dark theme ;) | 11:18 |
| timeless_mbp | roope: fwiw, i tried the browser yesterday for the first time, i was actually happy | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | roope: you should visit and play | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: could you fix something so it shows your device name instead of "" above installed applications? | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it's really annoying :) | 11:20 |
| StsN810_ | timeless_mbp: probably :) | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | please? | 11:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | device name is just a bluez thing | 11:24 |
| Macer | It is like those iPhone folks who always complain how NIT is not an iPhone | 11:25 |
| StsN810_ | if i find out where HAM gets it.. | 11:25 |
| Macer | lol! | 11:25 |
| Macer | of course it's not an iphone :) | 11:25 |
| timeless_mbp | StsN810_: the console gives an error hinting at where it can't get it | 11:25 |
| StsN810_ | ah | 11:25 |
| Macer | wow. this thing is going to be going for a very long time | 11:26 |
| * Macer goes back to sleep | 11:26 | |
| Macer | heh. just goes to show why this should be done right the first time :) | 11:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 'export DEFAULT_ADAPTER=/org/bluez/hci0 && dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez $DEFAULT_ADAPTER org.bluez.Adapter.SetName "string:<name"' works in Maemo | 11:26 |
| timeless_mbp | "works"? | 11:27 |
| Macer | how do you paste in screen? | 11:27 |
| Macer | i got the copy part down :) but i don't know how to paste in it | 11:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: It changes the name shown in the File manager/Application manager | 11:28 |
| timeless_mbp | does it work in mer? | 11:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No idea | 11:28 |
| Macer | hm | 11:29 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810> No idea | 11:30 |
| Macer | oh. no kidding heh | 11:30 |
| Macer | it's ctrl a [ and ] | 11:30 |
| Macer | :) | 11:30 |
| Macer | awesome. i'm sure that will come in handy | 11:30 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: around? | 11:31 |
| Macer | oh nevermind | 11:31 |
| slonopotamus | -.- | 11:31 |
| Macer | you said you don't do n810 stuff? :) was just wondering if you had keymaps to use with xmodmap | 11:32 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr said i needed to use that to get Fn characters | 11:32 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, no, i don't, nothing to test on. | 11:32 |
| Macer | oh. ok. | 11:33 |
| Macer | i guess i can always just install the soft keyboard | 11:33 |
| Macer | wonder if there is a way to get the soft keyboard on the bottom of fluxbox in a line with nothing but the special characters and numbers :) | 11:33 |
| Macer | that would be pretty awesome | 11:33 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer, you'll have troubles with Fn key | 11:34 |
| Macer | yah. but i fi can get the menu key to do it like Luke-Jr has it in the console | 11:35 |
| Macer | that's fine :) | 11:35 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, did you have Fn fix for xorg, btw? | 11:35 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, or you just moved to Xomap? | 11:35 |
| Macer | it works great using his method in the console | 11:35 |
| Macer | i think i'll put mer on the internal sd later this week | 11:36 |
| Macer | hopefully my inability to login to the ssh was just a fluke | 11:37 |
| Macer | :) | 11:37 |
| Macer | something i did wrong maybe | 11:37 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, what's up with ssh? | 11:37 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: dunno. when i tried to login as a user.. ssh kept asking me to renew my pw | 11:37 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, in mer? | 11:38 |
| Macer | like. i would renew it. then try to login again with the new pw. and it would ask me to do it again | 11:38 |
| Macer | it was weird.. yeah. in mer | 11:38 |
| * slonopotamus newer saw ssh asking to renew pw | 11:38 | |
| Macer | yeah. i don't know why it was doing that. but i'll re-install it on the internal sd once i'm done getting gnetoo going | 11:38 |
| Macer | if anything to try out that new wm :) | 11:39 |
| StsN810_ | macer, RTC problem re renw | 11:39 |
| Macer | huh? | 11:39 |
| StsN810_ | PAM bug | 11:40 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, btw. you'll pull in new python. don't forget to run python-updater :) | 11:40 |
| Macer | ah i see | 11:40 |
| pupnik_ | the priorities of my laziness are strange. instead of writing some data down on a piece of paper, i'm reflashing the n810 so i can scp the data to it. | 11:40 |
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| Macer | slonopotamus: yah. i'll make sure i do | 11:40 |
| Macer | ran into that problem before with gentoo | 11:40 |
| Macer | :) | 11:40 |
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| Macer | i think it was one of the reasons i switched to fbsd for quite a while | 11:40 |
| Macer | then Sts showed me nexenta... which brought me to opensolaris heh | 11:40 |
| Macer | i haven't looked back as far as a server goes. opensolaris kind of sucks on a desktop tho | 11:41 |
| Macer | i think maybe because it uses gnome... i perfer kde on a desktop if i am going to use a bloated enviroment :) | 11:41 |
| * slonopotamus used fbsd 4.x... good time :) | 11:41 | |
| Macer | prefer | 11:41 |
| Macer | i thought 4.1 was supposed to be pretty good | 11:42 |
| Macer | zfs support at least :) | 11:42 |
| Macer | like. kernel level zfs support. the real deal | 11:42 |
| Macer | at least that is what i heard | 11:42 |
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| Macer | i didn't use it | 11:42 |
| Macer | StsN810_: ever see Zoolander? :) | 11:43 |
| slonopotamus | Macer, how i do 'emerge --depclean' in fbsd, btw? | 11:43 |
| Macer | when his father sees him as a mermaid and he runs out screaming "I'M A MERMAN!! A MERMAN!!" | 11:43 |
| slonopotamus | lol | 11:44 |
| slonopotamus | merman :) | 11:44 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: don't know. never installed something i didn't need in fbsd ;) | 11:44 |
| Macer | i'm sure it's some make depremove in ports tree | 11:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: his phone was funnier :p | 11:44 |
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| Macer | qwerty12_N810: yeah haha | 11:44 |
| Macer | i like the way he flipped it open | 11:44 |
| Macer | like it was a huge phone haha | 11:44 |
| Macer | the movie in general was pretty funny | 11:45 |
| Macer | "You want to see the real underground world of male modeling..?" | 11:45 |
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| Macer | i just thought about the Merman part :) | 11:46 |
| Macer | and thought about Mer | 11:46 |
| Macer | haha | 11:46 |
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| Macer | i'm on 6 of 58 | 11:48 |
| Macer | lol | 11:48 |
| slonopotamus | world + system? | 11:48 |
| Macer | yes | 11:49 |
| Macer | there were a lot of upgrade | 11:49 |
| Macer | s | 11:49 |
| Macer | and a few downgrades :) | 11:49 |
| Macer | from me using the unstable branch in the beginning | 11:49 |
| slonopotamus | that stage is a bit old and stable (not ~arm) | 11:49 |
| Macer | yeah. i changed my make.conf to use ~arm for a bit | 11:50 |
| Macer | because i got tired of adding pkgs to keywords :) | 11:50 |
| Macer | it's ok tho. i have to stop into the office this morning. that should kill a few hours | 11:50 |
| Macer | then i guess i'll come home and take my son to the lake or something. if it's a nice enough day to go to the beach | 11:51 |
| lcuk | macer, someohow the thought of stskeeps and qgil in a walk off amuses me | 11:51 |
| slonopotamus | there was some tool that added keywords automatically. never used it, though | 11:51 |
| Macer | lcuk: hahahaha | 11:51 |
| lcuk | something we could arrange for the summit | 11:51 |
| Macer | "You want to see the real underground world of linux software development...." | 11:51 |
| Macer | hahaha | 11:52 |
| lcuk | who would judge it tho | 11:52 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr would be up for it i'm sure | 11:52 |
| Macer | haha | 11:52 |
| lcuk | i doubt we could get bowie in time | 11:52 |
| Macer | damn i forgot david bowie did that for the movie | 11:52 |
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| Macer | david bowie was the shit in the 80s heh | 11:52 |
| sarower | good morning all | 11:52 |
| Macer | imean cmon! he was the goblin king! | 11:52 |
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| sarower | Can i resize a dialog (GtkDialog) or change its position? | 11:53 |
| sarower | if yes then how can i do that... | 11:53 |
| sarower | i have read the manual but the api does not work! | 11:53 |
| sarower | any body........any idea? | 11:54 |
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| lcuk | since gtk is based on contents, just put more stuff in it and it will grow to accomodate. you cannot manually resize it manually tho | 11:54 |
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| lcuk | i tihnk theres something like a spacer element | 11:54 |
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| * lcuk waves hands | 11:55 | |
| jrocha | lcuk, you can manually resize | 11:55 |
| Macer | new eurekas are great | 11:55 |
| Macer | heh | 11:55 |
| * Macer missed eureka | 11:55 | |
| lcuk | jrocha, then tell sarower, im happy being wrong as long as people help :P | 11:55 |
| sarower | jrocha: How can i do that? | 11:55 |
| jrocha | to resize a widget you can pack it inside a box with the options of fill and expand set to false | 11:56 |
| jrocha | then | 11:56 |
| jrocha | you use gtk_widget_set_size_request | 11:56 |
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| jrocha | and it will resize the widget | 11:56 |
| sarower | but if i do not pack it inside box....is it possible? | 11:56 |
| jrocha | where are you putting it? | 11:57 |
| jrocha | and which widget is that? | 11:57 |
| pupnik_ | nice work on adding pkgs to maemo-extras, guys. it's like a new tablet to see all that stuff available. | 11:57 |
| sarower | 1 min | 11:57 |
| sarower | can i paste the code here? | 11:57 |
| sarower | small amount | 11:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~pastebin | 11:57 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 11:57 |
| jrocha | lcuk, it is true though, that there's no real freedom, it may depend on other things like other widgets packed | 11:58 |
| jrocha | just tell me what you wanna do | 11:58 |
| pupnik_ | wonder how openssh package prompts user for new password | 11:58 |
| sarower | i am jus taking a dialog in applet | 11:59 |
| sarower | like this: | 11:59 |
| sarower | dialog = gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons ("Input Status Message", NULL, | 11:59 |
| sarower | GTK_DIALOG_MODAL, | 11:59 |
| sarower | GTK_STOCK_OK, | 11:59 |
| sarower | GTK_RESPONSE_OK, NULL); | 11:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: Ed Bartosh added a program to do so that runs in postinst :) | 11:59 |
| sarower | then doing something on it.. like adding a GtkEntry field | 12:00 |
| pupnik_ | ahchaaa | 12:00 |
| sarower | then gtk_widget_show_all (dialog); | 12:00 |
| sarower | but i want to resize the dialog as well as to change the position of the dialog | 12:01 |
| jrocha | so, you want to resize a dialog, only that? | 12:01 |
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| jrocha | then you should use the function I mentioned: gtk_widget_set_size_request | 12:02 |
| sarower | yes... | 12:02 |
| sarower | but gtk_widget_set_size_request does not work | 12:02 |
| sarower | only height can be changed...by this api | 12:03 |
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| lcuk | macer, new eurekas are more about fart jokes so ive noticed | 12:06 |
| pupnik_ | xterm in maemo-extras needs that improved (not courier) font | 12:06 |
| pupnik_ | eh no that's the xterm that ships - nm | 12:06 |
| lcuk | jrocha, quick fix, within his packing box cant he just add a spacer row to force the width to something | 12:07 |
| lcuk | harder to write than to think about, something (600px,1px) for instance | 12:08 |
| lcuk | unless theres a specific type for this kind of thing | 12:08 |
| sarower | lcuk; even i do not use a packing box! | 12:08 |
| jrocha | sarower, what do you mean only height can be changed? | 12:08 |
| lcuk | ahh lol i thought everything within gtk ended up in a packing box | 12:09 |
| jrocha | gtk_widget_size_request: Sets the minimum size of a widget; that is, the widget's size request will be width by height. | 12:09 |
| sarower | jrocha: by using this method the height is changed of the dialog | 12:09 |
| jrocha | sarower, yes, but so is the width | 12:10 |
| lbt | no packing box? | 12:10 |
| lbt | sarower: so inner widgets are statically positioned? | 12:11 |
| sarower | jrocha: suppose i want to make the dialog 400x200, can not i do? | 12:11 |
| lbt | what happens when the virtual keyboard pops up? | 12:11 |
| jrocha | oh | 12:11 |
| jrocha | sorry, | 12:11 |
| sarower | no not for less that diablo | 12:11 |
| sarower | i am using freemantle | 12:12 |
| jrocha | that's right | 12:12 |
| jrocha | of course | 12:12 |
| sarower | there is no virtual keyboard | 12:12 |
| jrocha | using fremantle, all you can set is the height | 12:12 |
| jrocha | by definition | 12:12 |
| jrocha | sorry, I didn't know you were talking about Fremantle | 12:12 |
| sarower | but not the width | 12:12 |
| sarower | !!1 | 12:12 |
| lbt | sarower: so it won't work on Mer then :( | 12:12 |
| _berto_ | there's gtk_window_resize() for windows/dialogs | 12:13 |
| lbt | what about if the screen rotates? | 12:13 |
| _berto_ | but in fremantle all dialogs use the full width of the screen | 12:13 |
| jrocha | why would you want the width to be set in fremantle? | 12:13 |
| sarower | hmm | 12:13 |
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| jrocha | I thought you knew you couldn't, that's why I thought you were not using Fremantle | 12:13 |
| sarower | thats another thing ... but i want it | 12:13 |
| jrocha | I don't see the point in wanting to resize a dialog's width in Fremantle | 12:14 |
| sarower | no need to resize the height in Fremantle? | 12:15 |
| sarower | sorry width! | 12:15 |
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| sarower | restriction to change the width of dialog in Fremantle? | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | help? | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i get the address book stuff? | 12:16 |
| timeless_mbp | bug 4921 seems to indicate it exists | 12:16 |
| _berto_ | sarower: all dialogs use the full width of the screen in fremantle | 12:17 |
| jrocha | sarower, Fremantle takes a different approach to usability which means it restricts somethings in order to keep that usabilityr | 12:17 |
| lcuk | does the app get to know the "client area" within that "full width" dialog? | 12:17 |
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| lcuk | cos of the buttons on the side, an app cannot assume 800px | 12:18 |
| lcuk | and does that width change based on theme | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | _berto_: the screen doesn't have to be 800 px wide in fremantle | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and fwiw the default apis for dialogs are awful | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | because if your screen is 480 px wide, then there's a confirm button which eats most of the available width | 12:19 |
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| _berto_ | that's a design decision | 12:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | what's a bad decision? | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | being incredibly short sighted? | 12:19 |
| _berto_ | what's the problem in the api ? | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | find me the api list and i'll point out the bad one | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i think it's the list apis | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | some sort of pannable dialog | 12:21 |
| pupnik_ | very nice font for xterm - the original PC VGA font: http://www.fixedsysexcelsior.com/ | 12:21 |
| Macer | 6 teravolts | 12:21 |
| Macer | haha | 12:21 |
| sarower | ok..... but can i set the position of the dialog. that means customizing the position of the dialog! | 12:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | dialogs are supposed to start from the bottom and grow up | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're incredibly stupid, you can arrange for the dialog height to jump around as people try to click on a bar at the top edge of the dialog | 12:22 |
| _berto_ | you mean if you set the dialog height by hand ? | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | dialog height grows according to contents | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you change what is visible as you change 'tabs' | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | then bad things happen because the height fluctuates | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | =braindead | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't do that | 12:23 |
| Macer | i love eureka | 12:24 |
| * timeless_mbp too | 12:24 | |
| Macer | heh | 12:24 |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't seen it on .fi channels in a while | 12:24 | |
| _berto_ | i think i haven't seen a dialog with its height fluctuating in fremantle | 12:24 |
| _berto_ | do you have a test case for that ? | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | do you have the full image or just the sdk? | 12:24 |
| _berto_ | full image | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it's in there :) | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i've only used a handful of apps | 12:25 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: they stopped making episodes for a long time | 12:25 |
| Macer | since the strike | 12:25 |
| Macer | the writer strike :) they just now started releasing new ones | 12:25 |
| lcuk | it wasnt a strike | 12:26 |
| lcuk | there was a containment failure in section 5 | 12:26 |
| lcuk | they had to restrict output for a wwhile | 12:26 |
| jrocha | timeless_mbp, you mean that when you have a shown dialog and hide stuff that are contained within it, that is height readjusts? | 12:28 |
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| sarower | I am telling about positioning a dialog in freemntle. Suppose i want to set the position of a dialog at (0,0). Is it possible or not? | 12:31 |
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| sarower | then we can discuss about how we can do so! | 12:32 |
| lcuk | sarower, a dialog is shown from bottom up, and the only way to canel is to have some space above it, so i would say, no you cannot position a dialog at 0,0 | 12:33 |
| lcuk | you can position it at (0,screen.h-dialog.h) | 12:33 |
| lcuk | but thats automatic anyway | 12:33 |
| sarower | oh.... | 12:34 |
| sarower | Thanks all | 12:34 |
| _berto_ | you can only change its height | 12:35 |
| Macer | lcuk: hahahah | 12:35 |
| Macer | funny thing about eureka is that they just continued season 3 | 12:36 |
| Macer | heh | 12:36 |
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| pupnik_ | jav[tab] jav[tab] | 12:58 |
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| wazd | heya all | 13:08 |
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| VDVsx | hello wazd :) | 13:11 |
| VDVsx | wazd, did you already stole some of the maemo5 proto's circulating in your country ? :P | 13:12 |
| VDVsx | wazd, I want one :) | 13:12 |
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| wazd | VDVsx: nah, that's not me :) | 13:13 |
| VDVsx | wazd, shame :( | 13:14 |
| wazd | VDVsx: but as I was told it's possible to get one of the proto's here since they are produced near St petersburg | 13:14 |
| wazd | VDVsx: and you need to have some good contacts with Nokia R&D :P | 13:14 |
| VDVsx | wazd, or with the truck driver ;) | 13:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Lies! All one needs is a ski mask and an AK-47 :p | 13:15 |
| javispedro | morning | 13:15 |
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| javispedro | already talking about the AK-47? man, they should ask everyone to wear body armor in the maemo summit. | 13:16 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: well, thats the hardcore way :) | 13:16 |
| wazd | javispedro: heya{ | 13:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: don't worry, Nokia are safe: I won't be attending ;D | 13:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: :p | 13:17 |
| VDVsx | lol | 13:17 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: why are you not attending? Still 5 yo or something? :D | 13:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No passport and lack of time :) | 13:18 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: oh, no passport, weclome to the club :) | 13:18 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, LIES, you should come :P | 13:18 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, you are afraid of be kidnapped by nokia ;) | 13:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 13:20 |
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| wazd | Oh my god, I rellised that I had a dream with RX-51 in it | 13:20 |
| wazd | I think I should call the doctor or something :D | 13:20 |
| wazd | rellised/realised | 13:20 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, don't worry lardman will kidnap you anyway ;) | 13:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | *gulp* | 13:21 |
| VDVsx | we have a plan, ahahahahah | 13:21 |
| VDVsx | lcuk is the mastermind :) | 13:22 |
| * VDVsx hides | 13:22 | |
| * javispedro reads about the rover having a 6 hour battery life | 13:22 | |
| javispedro | http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin | 13:22 |
| javispedro | also about the Rover's software being made in Russia. | 13:22 |
| VDVsx | lol | 13:23 |
| * lcuk wonders what hes masterminding | 13:23 | |
| lcuk | apart from a maemo fryup | 13:23 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, qwerty12_N810 's kidnap | 13:24 |
| VDVsx | to bring him to the summit | 13:24 |
| lcuk | oh, thats easy - ill do that before the summit :P | 13:24 |
| _berto_ | made in russia ? :) | 13:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I knew I shouldn't have made all those northerner comments... | 13:24 |
| lcuk | i really hate myself now, does freenode have any (gulp) .net channels | 13:24 |
| _berto_ | which part of the software? | 13:24 |
| javispedro | dunno _berto_, I was thinking wtf. | 13:25 |
| _berto_ | :) | 13:26 |
| lcuk | o_O searching freenode for channels with vb brings up maemo as top :D | 13:26 |
| VDVsx | _berto_, GTK/hildon was invented in Russia, everybody know that :P | 13:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Because | 13:26 |
| javispedro | all your fault lcuk | 13:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: because you're in it :p | 13:26 |
| javispedro | ;) | 13:26 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:27 |
| wazd | well, 6 hours of video - not too bad | 13:27 |
| lcuk | i hate to say it, does anyone actually know of any visual studio oriented irc channels | 13:27 |
| * zerojayPC boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 13:28 | |
| javispedro | I know a spanish one lcuk ;) | 13:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: #/dev/null | 13:28 |
| lcuk | thats not really useful unless you till translate | 13:28 |
| lcuk | ive got a silly question that is annoying me | 13:28 |
| javispedro | nobody said VB.NET was going to be easy | 13:28 |
| javispedro | ;P | 13:28 |
| lcuk | its not the langue | 13:28 |
| suihkulokki | I'm sure there is a mono channel that can be used .net in general | 13:29 |
| lcuk | nor working in it - i can code quite happily | 13:29 |
| lcuk | its project management | 13:29 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, vb list of channels: http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh | 13:29 |
| lcuk | i cant find a way to open a single project without opening the whole damned solution and colleagues files | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, thanks, that worked | 13:29 |
| VDVsx | ;) | 13:29 |
| javispedro | ~curse tinyurl | 13:29 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, tinyurl ! | 13:30 |
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| lcuk | :D tinyurl might know how to do my stuff then | 13:30 |
| tigert | heya | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo tigert | 13:30 |
| javispedro | so why does everyone have a rover save for those encourage to write for it? | 13:31 |
| lcuk | why do those with rovers keep talking about them and teasing those without | 13:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Why are those with Rovers not getting jacked? | 13:33 |
| VDVsx | Why I don't have a rover ? | 13:33 |
| lcuk | a cadre of attack kittens protecting houses | 13:33 |
| * tigert wonders about some user interface related stuff for summit | 13:36 | |
| tigert | I like hands-on sessions but I wonder what would be most useful..? | 13:36 |
| pupnik_ | hi javispedro - finally tested chrono trigger. great job. almost smooth music. | 13:37 |
| javispedro | glad to hear :) | 13:38 |
| pupnik_ | do you have a version with scaling / xsp yet? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: depends on the topic i guess | 13:38 |
| javispedro | yep, did you install the config file? | 13:38 |
| tigert | yeah | 13:38 |
| pupnik_ | not yet | 13:38 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/DrNokSnes.txt to ~/apps/ | 13:38 |
| javispedro | then use the fullscreen button | 13:38 |
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| tigert | icon-design-while-you-wait has always been popular of course :) | 13:38 |
| javispedro | or, | 13:39 |
| javispedro | pupnik_, are you using the one on extras-devel? | 13:39 |
| javispedro | or the one on the forum? | 13:39 |
| tigert | but having some hackfest on "lets think how your app might work with people who have large thumbs and small screen" topic maybe? | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | redesigning desktop applications for the mobile use case? | 13:40 |
| tigert | Stskeeps: something like that | 13:40 |
| pupnik_ | grabbed the 8/11 from your site javispedro | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | that one would be useful tbh - we have a lot of hildonization work and Qt/Maemo work coming up | 13:40 |
| javispedro | ah, no fullscreen then | 13:40 |
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| pupnik_ | aha http://depot.javispedro.com/noksnes/drnoksnes-20090812.gz | 13:40 |
| javispedro | wait a bit and I'll make an updated binary (the package is outdated now too :P) | 13:41 |
| pupnik_ | also javispedro - first test.smc version quit with ctrl-c. now i have to kill-9 noksnes | 13:41 |
| tigert | Stskeeps: a lot of the garage apps have really small elements | 13:41 |
| javispedro | pupnik_, yep, that was the static-libgcc issue | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: "10 tricks to make your app mobile use case able"? :P | 13:42 |
| tigert | Stskeeps: perhaps | 13:42 |
| pupnik_ | k 8/12 testing - ty | 13:42 |
| pupnik_ | great speed improvement on 8/12! | 13:42 |
| javispedro | it's the first one with frameskip | 13:43 |
| pupnik_ | well a touch at least | 13:43 |
| VDVsx | tigert, there's already some submission around UI, please try to avoid topics repetition :) (eg. http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Designing_UI_for_Maemo_5_.E2.80.93_Fit_for_the_Product) | 13:43 |
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| javispedro | (other than fixed 1 that is) | 13:43 |
| tigert | Stskeeps: and how to avoid forking XYZ, but instead of having a mobile ui as a subset maybe? | 13:43 |
| pupnik_ | no start button yet javispedro ? | 13:43 |
| javispedro | yes, there is now | 13:43 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/DrNokSnes.txt take a look if you want | 13:43 |
| javispedro | the syntax should be easy to understand | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | tigert: "using the VC in MVC to suit your application to mobile use case?" :P | 13:44 |
| suihkulokki | wtf at the "expanding the tablet user base" talk proposal | 13:45 |
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| javispedro | pupnik: http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/drnoksnes-20090819.gz | 13:46 |
| RST38h | rst38h 1 : vodafone.gr 0 | 13:46 |
| javispedro | damn its big | 13:46 |
| javispedro | ah, it has the debug symbols | 13:46 |
| VDVsx | suihkulokki, Consulting company's ;) | 13:46 |
| javispedro | well, strip it if you want. | 13:47 |
| * RST38h found the magic set of gprs settings | 13:47 | |
| tigert | RST38h: predefined ones didnt work? | 13:47 |
| adeus | consult abbrv. con and insult | 13:47 |
| pupnik_ | scancode 65 = "a" javispedro ? | 13:48 |
| pupnik_ | k ty | 13:48 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/buttons.jpg <-- hehe | 13:48 |
| RST38h | vodafone, may it be taken over by mts and its logo permanently replaced by an egg, has not made it easy | 13:48 |
| RST38h | tigert: joking? | 13:48 |
| tigert | RST38h: no | 13:48 |
| RST38h | tigert: "predefined" is 12 euro / mb | 13:49 |
| tigert | RST38h: what settings are you talking about? | 13:49 |
| tigert | in your N810 or something? | 13:49 |
| RST38h | tigert: gprs | 13:49 |
| RST38h | tigert: does it matter? | 13:50 |
| tigert | I thought the price stuff depends on your contract with the operator, not about settings in the device? | 13:50 |
| RST38h | that too | 13:50 |
| tigert | at least I just chose "my operator name" in the list and the contract defined the rest, didnt have to change anything in the device to get flatrate 3g | 13:51 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: 08/19 copied to /usr/bin - launched with drnoksnes test.smc - getting a text on shell "Video: 256x239, 16 bits per pixel, windowed" and blackscreen | 13:51 |
| RST38h | anyways, after paying magic secret 3.50 euro fee, the price wnt down | 13:51 |
| tigert | well, it was via the bluetooth + phone, but anyway | 13:51 |
| tigert | ah ok | 13:51 |
| javispedro | damn it... | 13:51 |
| RST38h | But! | 13:51 |
| pupnik_ | hmm lemme check smth | 13:52 |
| javispedro | I knew I shouldn't have built whatever I had on my working copy :P | 13:52 |
| pupnik_ | oh it's all fun | 13:52 |
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| RST38h | no ssh access and the tablet cannot connect to any website | 13:52 |
| pupnik_ | works javispedro - i had left an old drnoksnes running by accident | 13:52 |
| javispedro | ah, lol :) | 13:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Surely Vodafone cannot be the only network there? | 13:53 |
| pupnik_ | nice job on the fullscreen, man | 13:53 |
| javispedro | btw pupnik_ RST38h : I did an oprofile session yesterday: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d6f74d21e | 13:53 |
| RST38h | google google google and lo and behold, the bastards have got a separate set of settings that works with nit and lets me sssh | 13:53 |
| javispedro | as you can see, rendering's the bottleneck. | 13:53 |
| RST38h | only it is secret! | 13:53 |
| RST38h | qwerty: one of two, i am not adventurous enough to hump the second one as well | 13:54 |
| RST38h | javis: no shit sherlock | 13:54 |
| javispedro | ;) | 13:54 |
| RST38h | javis: need pointers? | 13:54 |
| pupnik_ | mode7? what game is that running? | 13:55 |
| tigert | RST38h: gah | 13:55 |
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| javispedro | mkart, one of the slowest for me. | 13:55 |
| tigert | RST38h: one would guess pissing on the customers eye is not exactly the road to success? | 13:55 |
| pupnik_ | k that's not a common mode, iirc | 13:55 |
| pupnik_ | but people will want to play that | 13:55 |
| tigert | RST38h: how much is flatrate gprs there btw? | 13:55 |
| javispedro | that function is not asm (currently generated through some cpp macros) | 13:56 |
| javispedro | so I guess I know where to start :P | 13:56 |
| RST38h | tigert: i dunno, but e3.50 seems to do the job for the last 3 days | 13:56 |
| pupnik_ | good grief :). 27-31fps in chrono trigger with sound and fullscreen atm | 13:56 |
| RST38h | tigert: it is a monthly fee too | 13:57 |
| RST38h | ok, this is all nice but to help javis I will need a pc. a moment javis | 13:57 |
| tigert | ok | 13:57 |
| javispedro | oh, don't worry RST38h, for now I guess I just need to dedicate time for it ;) | 13:58 |
| pupnik_ | this is really close to awesome | 13:58 |
| pupnik_ | sample playback underruns, but at least they repeat instead of dropping out | 13:59 |
| pupnik_ | nice job by squidge or whoever on that | 13:59 |
| javispedro | yep, the main loop configures the spc, but the audio thread is the one rendering | 13:59 |
| javispedro | aka if the audio thread needs two buffers filled but the main loop hasn't looped yet it'll just refill the buffer with the same spc state. | 14:00 |
| javispedro | mkart is now 10/60 in game with sound, no speedhacks. | 14:01 |
| javispedro | no sound makes it 15/60, no sound + speedhacks makes it 20/60 | 14:01 |
| RST38h | javis: Could you give that oprofile results link again? | 14:03 |
| tigert | javispedro: I wonder how is the battery consumption? | 14:03 |
| javispedro | RST38h, http://maemo.pastebin.com/d6f74d21e | 14:03 |
| javispedro | tigert, ugly of course, unless you set very high frameskips in which case it sleeps. | 14:04 |
| tigert | I guess it would be hard to help that in a game where you need fps, but yeah | 14:04 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: what is /no-vmlinux doing? | 14:04 |
| javispedro | the kernel | 14:04 |
| RST38h | javis: What is it doing in linux all that time??? | 14:04 |
| pupnik_ | that looks rather high doesn't it | 14:04 |
| javispedro | probably NFS, sorry. | 14:04 |
| RST38h | hmmmm | 14:04 |
| pupnik_ | ahh | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Still | 14:04 |
| RST38h | javis: Could you kill that and see if Linux line goes away fro oprofile? | 14:05 |
| javispedro | kill the kernel? | 14:05 |
| javispedro | ah sorry | 14:05 |
| javispedro | kill NFS | 14:05 |
| RST38h | no, kill the nfs or whatever is eating clock cycles | 14:05 |
| javispedro | yes, wait | 14:05 |
| pupnik_ | man this CT music puts me in a good mood | 14:05 |
| * RST38h does suspect it is more like a problem with symbol resolution | 14:06 | |
| RST38h | those 16% should belong to the 65816 emulation | 14:06 |
| javispedro | RST38h, oh, I fixed those :P | 14:06 |
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| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d43c3890f | 14:06 |
| javispedro | this was previously | 14:06 |
| javispedro | which made no sense of course. | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Umgh....Ok, stupid question: are you drawing every single frame? | 14:07 |
| javispedro | it shouldn't. | 14:07 |
| RST38h | [btw, Murtazin promised a review tonight] | 14:07 |
| RST38h | javis: Please make sure it does not, you should only be drawing 30-35% of the frames | 14:07 |
| javispedro | wait, short-term todo buffer overflown :) | 14:07 |
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| javispedro | (i need to boot the nit with the oprofile kernel, so it's taking a lot) | 14:10 |
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| pupnik_ | looks like frameskip works fine | 14:11 |
| pupnik_ | i can load the system with other stuff and it gets jumpy | 14:12 |
| RST38h | using automatic frameskip is a bad idea | 14:12 |
| RST38h | just set it to 30% and relax | 14:12 |
| pupnik_ | well for games like CT, it looks like frameskip 1 (fixed) is within reach | 14:12 |
| RST38h | there is absolutely no point to reach minimal frameskip | 14:13 |
| RST38h | you only want frameskip to be "good enough" which is almost always 30-35% | 14:13 |
| pupnik_ | frameskip 2 would be better for those situations where the sprite turns off alternating frames (damaged player) | 14:13 |
| pupnik_ | i don't understand % frameskip | 14:13 |
| RST38h | yes, that is why you skip not every two frames of three, but you count exactly 35% | 14:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 14:13 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Ok, consider this: | 14:13 |
| RST38h | moo, wazd, it looks like the Murtazin guy is finally spilling it | 14:14 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: you have got a counter that you increment by 1 on each simulated VBlank | 14:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Wait, scratch the above line :) | 14:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Make it: You have got a counter that you increment by the percentage number (let us say 35) every simulated VBlank | 14:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Every time it reaches or exceeds 100, you draw the frame and subtract 100 from the counter | 14:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, he held himself as long as he could :) | 14:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: This way, you are drawing exactly 35% of frames, on the average | 14:16 |
| RST38h | pupnik: And because of the jitter inherent in this model, you are never going to get the problem of sprites not showing | 14:16 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Do you also want to know why automatic jitter control is bad? | 14:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: I guess photos of the actual devices made him do it, he got afraid that somebody ELSE would spill it before him and take the laurels | 14:17 |
| javispedro | it is bad RST38, I agree, only does wonders for music. | 14:18 |
| pupnik_ | oh i get it RST38h - makes perfect sense ty | 14:18 |
| javispedro | fixed frameskip is "-s 1|2|3|4" | 14:18 |
| pupnik_ | wooo | 14:18 |
| RST38h | javis: -s 2 should probably do it | 14:18 |
| RST38h | if they mean "2 out of 3" by this | 14:18 |
| pupnik_ | i think this is javis' own frameskip code | 14:19 |
| javispedro | no, I finally grabbed snes9x one | 14:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep :) | 14:19 |
| javispedro | mines did really nothing (but at least was faster :P) | 14:19 |
| javispedro | IPPU.RenderThisFrame = ++IPPU.SkippedFrames >= limit; | 14:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, we're on the winning side anyway :) | 14:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah, how can we lose :) | 14:20 |
| pupnik_ | sound still blubbering at fs 2, fs 4 | 14:21 |
| javispedro | so a value of 0 renders every frame, a value of 1 renders every frame (lol), a value of 2 renders every other frame, a value of 3 renders 1 each 3 frames. | 14:22 |
| pupnik_ | heh | 14:22 |
| RST38h | You won't get sound correct anyway | 14:22 |
| pupnik_ | why? | 14:22 |
| RST38h | So, forget the sound, work on the overall framerate for now | 14:22 |
| pupnik_ | it's pretty close now | 14:22 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Well, if it is not melodic, not FM, but wave sound, your audio hardware expects 22050 samples a second | 14:23 |
| javispedro | also "-t" forces it not to sleep between fraces | 14:23 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Your simulated system runs at let us say 30fps, so it can only supply you with 11025 samples a second | 14:23 |
| jeremiah | mikkov_: Oh really? What is your logic? | 14:23 |
| jeremiah | mikkov_: Not saying you're wrong, just would like to have some rationale. | 14:23 |
| RST38h | pupnik: When using melodic or FM sound, you can just render as many new samples as you wish | 14:23 |
| talig | Hi everyone, I'm trying to write an install script for something and I wanted to ask how can you run .install files (for repositories) from the terminal | 14:24 |
| talig | Anyone knows? | 14:24 |
| RST38h | pupnik: You have got the frequency, the volume, etc | 14:24 |
| pupnik_ | i think the SNES only uses samples, not FM sound... spc700 | 14:24 |
| RST38h | pupnik: With wave sound, if you have not got the samples, you have not got the samples, period | 14:24 |
| jeremiah | talig: Well, if you are installing a package on your tablet, you can use dpkg | 14:24 |
| RST38h | pupnik: So you are getting a "pop" | 14:24 |
| jeremiah | do a 'man dpkg' | 14:24 |
| javispedro | the snes does not use sampled sound | 14:24 |
| javispedro | save for very few games. | 14:24 |
| talig | jeremiah: I'm not installing a package. I want to set up the repository... | 14:24 |
| RST38h | If it does not use sampled saound, then you should be ok | 14:24 |
| javispedro | the spc ram is 64k, not too many samples there. | 14:24 |
| pupnik_ | ahh | 14:25 |
| jeremiah | Usually you need to be root to use dpkg for installation; 'dpkg -i <package> | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Although I would not make sound quality a top priority UNTIL you reach at least 45-50fps framerate | 14:25 |
| jeremiah | talig: You want to enable a repo for the tablet? | 14:25 |
| javispedro | you can disable the sound thread with "-a" ;P | 14:25 |
| jeremiah | talig: I think, personally, that should be left up to the user. | 14:25 |
| talig | jeremiah: yes, and I want to do it from the terminal | 14:25 |
| jeremiah | talig: That is not good practice. | 14:25 |
| talig | jeremiah: This is not a user-application, it's something to make my life easier for now | 14:25 |
| javispedro | the APU is still emulated but it should not render sound. | 14:25 |
| jeremiah | talig: Ah, I see. :) | 14:26 |
| jeremiah | okya | 14:26 |
| RST38h | talig: Click on .install file from a browser. Then forget about it. | 14:26 |
| jeremiah | s/okya/okay/ | 14:26 |
| infobot | jeremiah meant: okay | 14:26 |
| talig | RST38h: I need to run it from terminal | 14:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | talig: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.hildon_application_manager /com/nokia/hildon_application_manager com.nokia.hildon_application_manager.mime_open string:"file:///location/to/.install" will bring up the application manager asking the user to add the repos from the given install | 14:26 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: no user interaction, please. | 14:26 |
| RST38h | Ehehehe | 14:26 |
| javispedro | (damn oprofile keeps settings and thus I made a two-minute profile to NFS ... waste of time again :() | 14:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: She needs a cat >> :) | 14:27 |
| talig | guys, I can just edit the sources.list - but I wanted to do something a little more gentle, if possible. | 14:27 |
| jeremiah | talig: Can't you just use apt-get? | 14:27 |
| talig | jeremiah: to install the repository?! | 14:27 |
| pupnik_ | for RPG games, i'd say RST38h's priorities are reversed from mine | 14:27 |
| jeremiah | talig: Maybe tell us what you want to do _exactly_ | 14:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik: it has no relation to the genre | 14:27 |
| talig | jeremiah: Add a repository/ | 14:27 |
| javispedro | pupnik_, I like sound :) | 14:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik: At low framerates, you will get slow/lagging/poppy sound no matter what you do | 14:28 |
| jeremiah | edit /etc/apt/source.list | 14:28 |
| RST38h | pupnik: So it makes sense to leave sound for later | 14:28 |
| talig | jeremiah: no way to use the .install then. Thanks. | 14:28 |
| pupnik_ | RST38h you are doing the precisely correct thing to get me to look into this | 14:28 |
| jeremiah | Not that I know of off the top of my head. | 14:28 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Hehe ;) | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Whatever makes you advance toward the goal, pupnik :) | 14:29 |
| talig | jeremiah: Thanks anyways | 14:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sound in old games is overrated :) | 14:29 |
| javispedro | what??? | 14:29 |
| javispedro | it's the reason I still use winamp, even under gnome. | 14:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I can't stand it, I always have some track or other playing instead :p | 14:30 |
| RST38h | qwerty: You haven't heard the good game soundtrack then | 14:30 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Try ZanacEX/Aleste, bothavailable for MSX and will play in fMSX | 14:30 |
| jeremiah | talig: Sure - sorry I couldn't really help. :/ | 14:31 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Other good choices are any Castlevania titles on any platform, Goonies, and Knightmare | 14:32 |
| RST38h | qwerty: For Castlevanias you will easily find MIDs/MP3s on the Net | 14:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Right. :) | 14:32 |
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| pupnik_ | ttp://snesmusic.org/v2 | 14:33 |
| pupnik_ | +h | 14:33 |
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| pupnik_ | PID USER STATUS VSZ PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND | 14:36 |
| pupnik_ | 3583 user RWN 23068 3382 32.1 18.1 drnoksnes | 14:36 |
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| pupnik_ | ^^ javispedro | 14:36 |
| javispedro | are you using fixed frameskip? | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | that was -fs 4 fixed | 14:37 |
| javispedro | if so, try "-t" | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | will try with -t now | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | now music running fast | 14:37 |
| javispedro | that's what happens :( | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | PID USER STATUS VSZ PPID %CPU %MEM COMMAND | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | 3586 user RWN 23068 3382 93.3 18.1 drnoksnes | 14:37 |
| pupnik_ | but the sample blubbering is exactly the same | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | meaning the sample underruns are not due to overloaded CPU | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 14:38 |
| javispedro | there's something I want to try | 14:38 |
| javispedro | currently I have no locking primitives | 14:38 |
| javispedro | the audio thread can interrupt the main loop at any point | 14:38 |
| javispedro | (didn't put any cause I feared speed) | 14:38 |
| pupnik_ | this sounds very neat :) | 14:39 |
| pupnik_ | not easy though eh | 14:39 |
| javispedro | but may case the blips. | 14:39 |
| javispedro | yes, very easy. it is an abomination ;P | 14:39 |
| RST38h | javis,pupnik: Folks, always use -t | 14:40 |
| RST38h | Now I know where that linux line came from | 14:40 |
| javispedro | RST38h, in auto mode it doesn't sleep either | 14:40 |
| RST38h | javis: Can you profile with -t -s 2 ? | 14:40 |
| javispedro | I mean | 14:40 |
| javispedro | it does sleep, but not that much | 14:40 |
| javispedro | since it's always "late" as the algorithm calls it. | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | the blubbering is the same, regardless of whether the spc700 is running too fast or too slow | 14:41 |
| RST38h | javis: Well it sleeps enough to cause that 16% oprofile line | 14:41 |
| javispedro | that's NFS for sure, I'm now using tmpfs for the log data | 14:42 |
| javispedro | it writes a lot. | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Your total CPU use should not be less than 75%, I guess, if you want this thign to be speedy | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Oh you have logging enabled? :) | 14:42 |
| RST38h | or is it oprofile log? | 14:42 |
| javispedro | oprofile log | 14:42 |
| RST38h | I see | 14:42 |
| javispedro | the kernel uses 5% now | 14:43 |
| RST38h | yep, right number | 14:43 |
| javispedro | still a bit... | 14:43 |
| pupnik_ | is sound rate fixed javispedro ? | 14:43 |
| javispedro | 22050, yes. | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK | You'd probably see NFS as McSPI, cx-something and rpciod in top | 14:44 |
| pupnik_ | using sdl-audio ? | 14:44 |
| javispedro | yep. | 14:44 |
| javispedro | which uses esd. | 14:44 |
| pupnik_ | k there are some backend issues with sdl-audio and emulators | 14:44 |
| pupnik_ | is there a .wav-writer option in drpocketsnes? that helped me fix up NES sound | 14:45 |
| javispedro | not yet, and not trivial currently | 14:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: not only rx51 news, but the canon g11 got leaked today | 14:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: most likely fake though | 14:46 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Faxe rx51 or fake Canon? | 14:46 |
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| ShadowJK | more rx51 leaks? | 14:46 |
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| javispedro | RST38h, pupnik_, new trace with less NFS usage (damn oprofile launched the daemon from nfs, but at least the costly writes were done to tmpfs) | 14:47 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d2ef26c8e | 14:47 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: canon | 14:47 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Well, Murtazin continues writing on his lj and twitter blogs | 14:47 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: He promises a full prerelease review tonight | 14:47 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, thanks, but oprofile does not seem to show kernel threads (probably because I don't have kernel debug symbols on device) | 14:47 |
| jeremiah | Ah. | 14:47 |
| Summeli | javispedro: nice work! I also considered porting dr. pocket sness at a time | 14:47 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Says he can't reveal too many details but there will be way more screenshots | 14:48 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Hmm, he can't possibly have an NDA with Nokia can he? | 14:48 |
| RST38h | He does not, I think | 14:48 |
| pupnik_ | heh that mode7 is a killer | 14:48 |
| RST38h | Ok, gentlemen, should we now consider optimizing that mode7 draw routine? =0 | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, yeah I was talking about top :P with oprofile if you had kernel symbols you'd get per function detail? | 14:49 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK, in theory :D | 14:49 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: There is a little detail though: it looks like a lot of Fremantle software development is done in Petrozavodsk, .RU | 14:49 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: And people there talk, you know... | 14:49 |
| RST38h | javis: Could you paste that routine to the pastebin? | 14:50 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Wow. Good detective work. ;) | 14:50 |
| javispedro | it's generated through a macro -- it was today's plan to manually expand it | 14:51 |
| jeremiah | There is always a risk with outsourcing software development. | 14:51 |
| RST38h | javis: And, BTW, you may not have noticed it, but the CPU is probably eating about as much | 14:51 |
| RST38h | javis: It is just broken into little functions that you will have to add up manually | 14:51 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: As far as I can tell, it is not outsourcing, they are just regular nokia employees, but I may be wrong | 14:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h, yep, all those Op**** are from the CPU asm core | 14:51 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: Geographically, Petrozavodsk is as close to Finland as it gets | 14:52 |
| RST38h | javis: Add 'em up in some spreadsheet and you will get the total for the CPU | 14:52 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: Aha. Fascinating. | 14:52 |
| RST38h | javus: If CPU is not done in assembly, rewriting it in assembly should effectively half that number =) | 14:53 |
| javispedro | the cpu is mostly asm | 14:53 |
| javispedro | a bit verbose for my liking -- e.g each opcode updates some cycle counters -- but i guess that's needed for accurate sync in the snes | 14:54 |
| RST38h | ok | 14:54 |
| RST38h | correct, although I *think* 65816 only needs one counter | 14:54 |
| javispedro | from memory I remember two at least, plain instruction counter and memory accesses counter. | 14:55 |
| RST38h | memory accesses on 65816 are not asynchronous | 14:55 |
| javispedro | they use it to simulate timing I guess | 14:55 |
| javispedro | when to fire vblank and all that | 14:55 |
| RST38h | yes but if mem accesses ar e not async then you can simply count them with cpu cycles | 14:56 |
| javispedro | hum, true. | 14:56 |
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| javispedro | hum, oprofile has assembly annotate function | 15:01 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d4bf32d5 | 15:01 |
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| pupnik_ | javispedro: are you using sdlmixer mix_openaudio for sound output? | 15:02 |
| javispedro | no sdlmixer. | 15:02 |
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| javispedro | drpocketsnes itself mixes. | 15:02 |
| RST38h | javis: Well, I could have guessed this output even without looking at it | 15:02 |
| RST38h | javis: Every time there is a memory access, the NEXT instruction will register higher time | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | javis: The bottlenecks occur where multiple memory accesses are grouped | 15:03 |
| javispedro | oh, i was looking it wrong then, thanks :D | 15:03 |
| RST38h | javis: You also want to know how to solve it on ARM? | 15:03 |
| javispedro | rewriting it in arm is going to be enough adventure for today :P | 15:04 |
| javispedro | cause I am already seeing some gcc stupidity... | 15:04 |
| RepMace | hm | 15:04 |
| RepMace | it is on gcc | 15:05 |
| javispedro | yep, that's gcc output. | 15:05 |
| javispedro | but you don't have the source ;P | 15:05 |
| RST38h | javis: You absolutely want to rewrite it in assembler | 15:05 |
| javispedro | at least I am sure now the problem is there and not yet another symbol mixup | 15:05 |
| RST38h | javis: Not because you can do better optimization job than GCC | 15:05 |
| RepMace | no. i meant my gentoo install ;) | 15:06 |
| RepMace | haha | 15:06 |
| javispedro | lol :D | 15:06 |
| RST38h | javis: But because GCC does not give a shit about memory access cost | 15:06 |
| javispedro | ah, we're on par on that ;) | 15:06 |
| RepMace | i think some time at the end of the year i ought to be able to use my tablet again | 15:06 |
| RST38h | javis: So, the solution is to use assembly, stick as many variables as you can into registers, use single register for 2-4 variables | 15:06 |
| RepMace | assembly ftw | 15:07 |
| RST38h | javis: To access individual fields in a register, use embedded shifts in ARM instructions | 15:07 |
| RST38h | javis: And and/bic | 15:07 |
| javispedro | do you know if uxtb is one cycle ? | 15:07 |
| RST38h | A moment, I do not know this instruction | 15:08 |
| javispedro | it's from armv6, gcc uses it a lot | 15:08 |
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| RST38h | not supported by arm9/arm11 afaik | 15:08 |
| javispedro | what? | 15:08 |
| javispedro | n8x0 is arm11 isn't it? | 15:08 |
| RST38h | UXTB is 1 cycle on Cortex | 15:09 |
| javispedro | it's definitely support on n8x0 | 15:09 |
| RST38h | I will check further, maybe missed it at some point | 15:09 |
| javispedro | nm, I'll download the docs | 15:09 |
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| RepMace | heh | 15:09 |
| RepMace | i think i am going to try a hero rom | 15:10 |
| javispedro | well, very interesting talk today, thanks RST38h and pupnik_ | 15:10 |
| javispedro | gotta go, see you! | 15:10 |
| RST38h | bye | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | hmmm looks like he is compiling it in thumb mode | 15:11 |
| RST38h | maybe not | 15:11 |
| RepMace | heh | 15:13 |
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| pupnik_ | so beautiful to see these run :) :) :) | 15:21 |
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| pablo_ | anybody try to compile Qt using the flag "-opengl" in fremantle !? | 15:26 |
| RepMace | shit | 15:28 |
| RepMace | 20 of 63 | 15:30 |
| RepMace | er. 58 | 15:30 |
| RepMace | i hope there are a lot of small ones in there | 15:30 |
| RepMace | i have to hand it to htc.. their qwerty is pretty good | 15:31 |
| RepMace | on the g1 | 15:31 |
| RepMace | i guess compared to the n810 | 15:31 |
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| toggles_w | crc | 15:38 |
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| pupnik_ | RST38h: blubbering is regular at about 20hz, regardless of game, frameskip or load. Could possibly be occurring internally, or on the backend, imo. | 15:45 |
| pupnik_ | or maybe 12 hz | 15:45 |
| pupnik_ | perhaps determining the exact blubber/skip frequency would help figure-out which buffer is underrunning | 15:46 |
| pupnik_ | e.g. at 22050, a 2kB buffer would have a skip of XX hz | 15:46 |
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| RepMace | is deblet dead? | 15:50 |
| RepMace | the original project? | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:50 |
| RepMace | oh. ok | 15:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Isn't that what it says on its homepage? ;) | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | trac took up too much memory | 15:51 |
| RepMace | dunno. didnt check the homepage | 15:51 |
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| RepMace | on my phone now. steel takes a min to load | 15:51 |
| RepMace | oh | 15:51 |
| RepMace | once you get it booting tho does it work like debian in a console? | 15:52 |
| RepMace | and use the debian arm repos? | 15:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | jrocha: basically, yes | 15:52 |
| RepMace | Stskeeps: so the whole problem was power and mem for deblet huh? | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | RepMace: and usage | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | a desktop environment just isn't that friendly on a mobile device | 15:54 |
| RepMace | ah i see | 15:54 |
| RepMace | im sure that is especially true on the n800s | 15:54 |
| RepMace | where the kb must have been an issue | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't have a n810 at that point | 15:55 |
| RepMace | fluxbox doesnt seem too bad on the tablet | 15:55 |
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| RepMace | little bare but usable | 15:55 |
| RepMace | but then again i havent done much with it because i have to fix key mappings | 15:56 |
| RepMace | i havent even started the sound yet ;) | 15:56 |
| RepMace | heh | 15:56 |
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| gtludwig | hello | 15:56 |
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| RepMace | im sure at that point i will be ripping out my hair begging you for help Stskeeps | 15:57 |
| gtludwig | I'm looking for a detailled howto to perform a firware update on my N800 | 15:57 |
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| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 15:57 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:57 |
| gtludwig | infobot, thanks | 15:58 |
| infobot | bitte, gtludwig | 15:58 |
| RepMace | bitte? | 15:58 |
| till- | german bot? | 15:59 |
| VDVsx | infobot, thanks | 15:59 |
| infobot | VDVsx: de rien | 15:59 |
| VDVsx | It seems, lol | 15:59 |
| till- | multilangual | 15:59 |
| till- | infobot, thanks | 16:00 |
| infobot | no worries, till- | 16:00 |
| VDVsx | infobot, thanks | 16:00 |
| infobot | VDVsx: gern geschehen | 16:00 |
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| VDVsx | smart bot :) | 16:00 |
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| RepMace | infobot, thanks | 16:02 |
| infobot | RepMace: sure thing | 16:02 |
| RepMace | goes off addresses? | 16:02 |
| * RepMace uses his .tw shell | 16:03 | |
| VDVsx | don't think so, I'm not French ;) | 16:04 |
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| rkirti | or maybe it throws a random language each time ? | 16:05 |
| RepMace | infobot, thanks | 16:06 |
| infobot | no worries, RepMace | 16:06 |
| RepMace | heh | 16:06 |
| RepMace | infobot, thanks | 16:06 |
| infobot | RepMace: bitte | 16:06 |
| RepMace | ah | 16:06 |
| RepMace | ok. guess so | 16:06 |
| gtludwig | how do I check currently installed firmware on N800? | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | about product | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | in control panel | 16:08 |
| gtludwig | Stskeeps, thanks =) | 16:08 |
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| gtludwig | says here Version: 5.2008.43-7 | 16:09 |
| gtludwig | is this is? | 16:09 |
| gtludwig | it* | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like the latest one | 16:11 |
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| pupnik_ | darn, our SDL doesn't support disk-writer output ... export SDL_AUDIODRIVER="disk" | 16:11 |
| pupnik_ | apparently at least | 16:12 |
| gtludwig | Stskeeps, hmm... is there another way to reset to factory defaults other than updating firmware? I got this N800 second hand on a really good deal and want to zero it =) | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | gtludwig: you can always reflash same version | 16:14 |
| gtludwig | Stskeeps, true! | 16:14 |
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| gtludwig | Stskeeps, btw the flashing instructions are for linux and mac, is there any instructions for win? I'm a linux user without linux access now =( | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, there's a update tool for windows afaik | 16:15 |
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| javispedro | pupnik_, grepping the library seems to indicate so. it only has esd and alsa. | 16:17 |
| pupnik_ | wow 'alsa' works as target | 16:18 |
| pupnik_ | and fixes the problem | 16:19 |
| pupnik_ | :D | 16:19 |
| pupnik_ | \o/ WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 16:19 |
| pupnik_ | perfect sound javispedro | 16:19 |
| javispedro | wow, is that true? | 16:19 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 16:19 |
| javispedro | of course :P that was a rethorical question ;P | 16:19 |
| javispedro | xd | 16:19 |
| * pupnik_ dances | 16:20 | |
| javispedro | erm.. I was impressed cause on mplayer sdl->esd is usually the best and fastest option. | 16:20 |
| pupnik_ | god, this is awesome | 16:20 |
| javispedro | maybe esd does not like the output audio rate | 16:21 |
| javispedro | or does some el-cheapo conversion on it. | 16:21 |
| Andy80 | what happened to ALL people karma :P ?! It has been dropped down by lot of points... | 16:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman's revenge! | 16:22 |
| Andy80 | :D | 16:22 |
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| javispedro | did lardman's karman go down too, maybe his luck is now gone | 16:22 |
| Andy80 | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ | 16:22 |
| Andy80 | I remeber, for example, the TimSamoff's karma was more than 2000 points | 16:23 |
| Andy80 | now is 1697 | 16:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Discussion karma, on my profile, has disappeared :) | 16:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Now I really do suspect lardman :p | 16:24 |
| javispedro | heh, I'm on page 6 now. | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 16:26 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, I've not got any discussion karma either | 16:26 |
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| Andy80 | javispedro, on wich page were you before this dropdown? | 16:27 |
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| javispedro | I think 9 | 16:27 |
| Andy80 | so it has been balanced :D | 16:27 |
| Andy80 | or scrambled :D | 16:27 |
| javispedro | it has been a karma massacre :) | 16:28 |
| RepMace | uhm | 16:28 |
| jeremiah | Its good for those of us who don't haunt t.m.o though. :) | 16:28 |
| RepMace | is this like some D&D thing? | 16:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman hasn't been getting his discussion karma so therefore, we can't either :) | 16:28 |
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| javispedro | RepMace: no, this is this: http://progressquest.com/ | 16:30 |
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| RepMace | so.... kind of like D&D? | 16:31 |
| RepMace | haha | 16:31 |
| pupnik_ | qwerty12_N810: perhaps discussion karma was vastly overrated compared to ... developing software | 16:31 |
| pupnik_ | i can think of others who may have complained about that | 16:31 |
| pupnik_ | (not me!) | 16:32 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: "Discussion" karma is mailing lists ;-p | 16:32 |
| javispedro | discussion karma is mailing-list karma, isn't it? the average post there is of higher quality than the average tmo post. (not to offend anyone) | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: correct. | 16:32 |
| talig | Q: Is there a reason why I can't apt-get install maemo-python-device-env , but I can install it from the app manager? | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | talig: What does apt-get say? | 16:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: unless you're "wolfmane" or "dariusjack"... | 16:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: indeed... :) | 16:33 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: you *so* made my day... i have to walk to the bank now... playing CT all the way :D | 16:34 |
| fiferboy | My karma is the same, but I moved up on the second page :) | 16:34 |
| talig | Jaffa: that the package is depended on python2.5 something but that would not be installed | 16:34 |
| talig | I tried with -f | 16:34 |
| javispedro | pupnik_, heh :) | 16:35 |
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| pupnik_ | listening with headphones atm - it's purrfect | 16:35 |
| javispedro | and to think I initially wanted to see openspc only cause I though a good emu would be impossible. | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | glad to hear ALSA works fine, one thing off my todo list (try to put some key SDL_LockAudio around) | 16:36 |
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| javispedro | i'm actually linking the gui, it snapshots the game each time you quit, then resumes when you launch it again -- much like the builtin chess game. | 16:37 |
| javispedro | *liking. | 16:37 |
| javispedro | you can do something similar in the cmdline version with the "-o" parameter (i put that to test only and a better one is on my todo list) | 16:38 |
| pupnik_ | if you do a build with autosave, please pm me the tgz | 16:38 |
| pupnik_ | -o ? | 16:38 |
| javispedro | yep, it tries to load from rom_file.frz.gz, and saves to rom_file.frz.gz on exit | 16:38 |
| javispedro | (it's what it does when launched from gui) | 16:39 |
| pupnik_ | ah | 16:39 |
| javispedro | (my plan is that the gui will then move those .frz.gz files around) | 16:39 |
| javispedro | the SRAM is autosaved always no mater what, though. | 16:40 |
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| pupnik_ | drnoksnes is a good name too | 16:41 |
| pupnik_ | ok | 16:41 |
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| talig | Is there a reason why it's trying to install a deb package that I didn't ask to be installed? (it's a downloaded package, but I don't want it installed now...) | 16:45 |
| jeremiah | talig: Is it a dependency for something else you've installed? | 16:46 |
| talig | no | 16:47 |
| jeremiah | Jaffa: Ah, didn't know that (obviously) :) | 16:47 |
| talig | jeremiah: I'm doing apt-get install sudser and I get some-package-that-I-created: Depends ..... | 16:47 |
| jeremiah | Well, then it looks like it is a dependency issue. | 16:48 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Of what?! sudser does not relate to that package? | 16:49 |
| RepMace | well. wrong # | 16:49 |
| talig | i mean "!" | 16:49 |
| mikkov_ | talig: you have probably installed some-package-that-I-created before, but it's missing a depency | 16:49 |
| * RepMace needs some more crack | 16:49 | |
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| mikkov_ | talig: you can remove the broken package | 16:50 |
| talig | mikkov_: Thanks! | 16:50 |
| jeremiah | mikkov_: You mentioned you didn't think that checking the name of the binary package that gets built is the same as the package name. i.e. a package called foo should build a binary called foo, not bar. | 16:56 |
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| jeremiah | mikkov_: What is your rational? | 16:56 |
| jeremiah | s/rational/rationale/ | 16:56 |
| infobot | jeremiah meant: mikkov_: What is your rationale? | 16:56 |
| jeremiah | Not that I think you are wrong | 16:56 |
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| VDVsx | can't wait: Maemo5 - 100 screenshots, 20 pics of device, 5 pages. 7 hours to go :) Think it will be a little bit interesting. All things are rdy | 16:58 |
| VDVsx | :) | 16:58 |
| javispedro | :) | 16:59 |
| mikkov_ | jeremiah: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=312902&postcount=62 | 16:59 |
| VDVsx | from http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin | 16:59 |
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| woglinde | hi | 16:59 |
| javispedro | so in 7 hours minus 8 minutes we're going to see 100 Maemo 5 screenshots. | 17:00 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Indeed, just saw sjgadsby retweet it | 17:00 |
| mikkov_ | so now eldar isn't waiting for the release date anymore? | 17:00 |
| javispedro | probably before qgil officially tells us which apps are we going to see builtin. | 17:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thank God. | 17:00 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: He's going to tell us officially which apps are builtin? | 17:01 |
| * jeremiah reads mikkov_'s link | 17:01 | |
| javispedro | Jaffa: he told someone (don't remember who right now) to email him on that question | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Ah yes, he said specific app authors could email him and he'd see what he could do. | 17:02 |
| javispedro | true. | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | I don't think you can claim to be writing a video-over-ip app and ask if Skype is going to be built-in with video, though ;-) | 17:02 |
| Jaffa | Whereas gcobb *could* ask about PIM apps | 17:03 |
| javispedro | oh, but there are nearly 4 pim app authoirs. | 17:03 |
| javispedro | :P | 17:03 |
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| woglinde | haha the old pom discussion? | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | damn, I wanted to go on a mountain trip today but opening the exterior door was like opening an oven. | 17:04 |
| VDVsx | but Eldar probably has a bit outdated maemo5 version :( | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Still going to have features we've not seen before. | 17:05 |
| VDVsx | true ;) | 17:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: since Nokia seem to deal in keeping their mouths shut, it's the best we'll get. | 17:05 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, they prefer that others leak info, it seems :) | 17:06 |
| jeremiah | http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/birulki-28.shtml | 17:06 |
| javispedro | so, how does it feel to be the only gnu/linux based smartphone left | 17:06 |
| jeremiah | ^^ Looks like the RX-51 prototype | 17:06 |
| javispedro | that's n-97, don't tease us jeremiah!! | 17:07 |
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| jeremiah | Look at the photos! | 17:07 |
| jeremiah | Specifically the one where it says RX-51! | 17:07 |
| javispedro | oh, the prototype ones. | 17:07 |
| jeremiah | About the middle of the page | 17:07 |
| jeremiah | What is that about? | 17:08 |
| VDVsx | old stuff :) | 17:08 |
| jeremiah | If it is the N97, why does it say RX-51 Prototype? | 17:08 |
| javispedro | from the looks of it (i didn't google translate'd it yet) seems an editorial article | 17:08 |
| * jeremiah is always behind the rumor curve. :| | 17:08 | |
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| aol | it's clearly not a n97... | 17:09 |
| VDVsx | yeah, those are the first leaked photos of rx-51 | 17:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Someone should build XChat for it :) | 17:10 |
| VDVsx | for reference : http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/ | 17:11 |
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| zpol | ping | 17:13 |
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| woglinde | javis the train is like sauna too | 17:14 |
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| Jaffa | jeremiah: Don't go on holiday when waiting for new device ;-) | 17:14 |
| javispedro | I prefer: "don't wait for new device when on holiday" ;) | 17:15 |
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| krzysz00 | when i try to compile hello-world under sbrsh ./configure fails at checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. and config.log shows a message sbrsh: Authentication failed | 17:16 |
| * javispedro 's looking for some asm gfx code to steal but seems only the snesadvance guys did that and they use some of the gba chips :( | 17:16 | |
| krzysz00 | helo please? | 17:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | They really need to adopt S60 5th's arrow keys for the finger keyboard. http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1956.jpg | 17:17 |
| javispedro | krzysz00, I never used sbrsh, did you try if you can run a bare arm binary? | 17:17 |
| krzysz00 | yes | 17:18 |
| andre__ | folks that send me a private msg in talk.maemo.org that only says "help.please" should be larted. | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | What's up with the alignment on that keyboard? | 17:18 |
| krzysz00 | but with sbrsh it doesn't work | 17:18 |
| krzysz00 | wait, do you need sbrsh | 17:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | andre__: keeping my PM box full for a couple of months was bliss :) | 17:19 |
| andre__ | qwerty12_N810, what's the limit? can you send me that many messages, please? :-D | 17:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 100 :) | 17:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I could but then I'd be mistaken for a spammer :p | 17:20 |
| andre__ | time to create a second account for me, i guess, to spam myself :-P | 17:20 |
| javispedro | andre__, it's a mistery for me how they choose their "victims". | 17:21 |
| javispedro | e.g. for a while on some other site they keep sending me priv. msgs like if was the owner | 17:21 |
| javispedro | now that I am the owner, they no longer send me pms. | 17:21 |
| andre__ | heh | 17:22 |
| VDVsx | lol | 17:22 |
| andre__ | i helped that guy in a thread but did not answer his followup comment | 17:22 |
| andre__ | because if i have no clue i shut up :) | 17:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4948 vote away | 17:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ah, now we know why you always seem to go silent. :P | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | ah, the fremantle theme seems truly s60 | 17:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | FIXEDINHARMATTAN | 17:24 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, heh. any specific criticism? :-P | 17:24 |
| javispedro | (disclaimer: i don't own a s60 phone) | 17:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, no, just a quick jab to help wake me up in the morning. ;) | 17:25 |
| andre__ | hehe | 17:25 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, worst thing is that some bugs are _already_ FIH :P | 17:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: thanks for exporting bugs :) | 17:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Guess that bit of sarcasm backfired then :) | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: did you only export one of those two bugs? | 17:26 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, only one of them. bugs.debian.org everytime surprises me | 17:26 |
| andre__ | later | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, there's a reason why i prefer to file bugs in bugs.maemo.org | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | friendly service :) | 17:27 |
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| * GeneralAntilles finds things to do for 5 hours. | 17:32 | |
| GeneralAntilles | s/5/7/ | 17:32 |
| * javispedro 's going to try git-branch, hope I don't end up deleting the whole repo. | 17:33 | |
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| ron1n | thought I'd share, from thenokiablog.com's twitter feed: thenokiablog: Seems we'll be seeing more photos of the rover/maemo/n900 device later today! | 17:43 |
| wazd | maemo 5 will have onscreen keyboard aswell | 17:44 |
| StsN810 | old | 17:44 |
| StsN810 | wazd, thumb, known for ages | 17:44 |
| Myrtti | wazd: why would it *not* have it? | 17:44 |
| wazd | StsN810: oh, whatever :D | 17:44 |
| wazd | Myrtti: well, who knows :) | 17:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, seriously, get with the times, man. :P | 17:45 |
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| StsN810 | what -is- crazy is the hardcoded thumb and undocumented changes | 17:45 |
| wazd | ok, another breaking news, n900 would be a phone! | 17:46 |
| wazd | :D | 17:46 |
| Myrtti | I had to chuckle today when Stefan blogged in IntoMobile about the vkb | 17:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, also: it has 3D drivers! | 17:46 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: nowai?! | 17:46 |
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| wazd | I had a thought to make a maemo5 like theme for maemo 4 and post screenshots to the internets :D | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Supposedly it's coming with a Tegra, too. | 17:47 |
| wazd | but I have too much work to fool around | 17:47 |
| Myrtti | wazd: why not... maemo3! | 17:47 |
| Myrtti | that would be fun | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too late now. | 17:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | \Maemo 3 themes were awful. | 17:47 |
| wazd | yeah, seriously :) | 17:48 |
| wazd | Plankton was fine :) | 17:48 |
| Myrtti | does anyone see anything newsworthy about http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/maemo5ss2.jpg ? I don't | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | The Valentines one was fun, though. ;) | 17:48 |
| Myrtti | yeah, I used it for a year or so | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, !!!! | 17:48 |
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| Myrtti | twas pink, what did you expect | 17:48 |
| ron1n | hey, I had a handful of colors to chose from and that was it when the 770 launched =P | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, me neither. | 17:48 |
| ron1n | that was awful. | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bug about it, though: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4948 | 17:48 |
| wazd | I still wonder why Enter is smaller than BSpace | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | Myrtti: We now know there'll be a virtual keyboard and have a bit more info on the fremantle theme? | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Let's pick the most obnoxious theme colors we can find" | 17:49 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, lol. a bug about leaked screenshots :) | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I <3 Plankton, though. | 17:49 |
| wazd | Even after 2 fricking years of using n800 I still tap bspace instead of enter ocasionaly | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I was considering attaching the leaked screenshot for comparison. ;) | 17:49 |
| Myrtti | Jaffa: I still don't see anything newsworthy in that screenshot | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, but I figured all of the relevant people would have their own devices to verify with. | 17:50 |
| wazd | The best thing I see is that gradients are fine! | 17:50 |
| Myrtti | it's the BLOODY SAME VKB as in ALL the others before it | 17:50 |
| Myrtti | or atleast I can't see any great difference | 17:50 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* move on | 17:50 |
| Jaffa | Myrtti: It's the third screenshot from an actual device that we've seen. | 17:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I just wish the gestures weren't so picky. | 17:50 |
| sjgadsby | You want "Fixed in Harmattan" already, GeneralAntilles? | 17:50 |
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| Jaffa | And the second leaked by eldar<wasshisname> | 17:51 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, since the screen is much more sensitive, you have a good chance :) | 17:51 |
| Myrtti | Jaffa: oh, I wouldn't know or know the difference | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, too late: http://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=Harmattan | 17:52 |
| Myrtti | it's all same maemo stuff to me... | 17:52 |
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| sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: Nuts. I haven't been paying attention. I suppose I should update the bug jar script to check for those too. | 17:53 |
| wazd | "Fixed in I***" | 17:54 |
| javispedro | ah, all the Fixed in Harmattan bugs. | 17:54 |
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| andre__ | wazd, the next version should be called "Iternity" ;-) | 17:55 |
| GAN800 | Itanium | 17:55 |
| Myrtti | I still think Ilmatar would we rad | 17:55 |
| andre__ | damn. it's eternity? somebody patch en_US | 17:55 |
| sjgadsby | Screw it. Lets just pick a "Z" wind, mark all the bugs fixed in it, and send andre__ on holiday for a few years. | 17:57 |
| javispedro | Maemo Zonda. | 17:57 |
| wazd | I think Zonda is a registered trademark :) | 17:58 |
| andre__ | sjgadsby, as long as i get partially paid i'm fine with that | 17:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Zut, as in all the smoke produced from smoking one | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | Maemo on digital joints | 17:58 |
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| javispedro | Fixed in Inverna | 18:07 |
| javispedro | sounds good. | 18:07 |
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| javispedro | Maemo Inverna, now using the Enlightened Toolkit instead of Qt. | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god | 18:11 |
| * Stskeeps grimaces | 18:11 | |
| javispedro | how can maemo keep on every tech site's frontpage if they don't switch toolkits again by Inverna | 18:12 |
| javispedro | ;) | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1957.jpg <- oo | 18:40 |
| thopiekar | the new tablet just looks from the front like the N810.. | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | honestly though, where's the phone feature? :P | 18:42 |
| thopiekar | :D | 18:42 |
| thopiekar | maybe you have to use it like the Nokia Ngage QD | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:42 |
| thopiekar | the old one.. | 18:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 18:42 |
| thopiekar | mom | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | also who designed that maemo logo.. | 18:42 |
| wazd | ùðá ðó åãêòóâ øå ùò Æ) | 18:43 |
| wazd | fuck | 18:43 |
| wazd | oh, he turned it on :D | 18:43 |
| lcuk | o_O pretty | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | i want one. :) | 18:43 |
| * thopiekar is searching for a pic on gpictures | 18:44 | |
| aol | damn | 18:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | He's put a mobile-review watermark instead of a link to his livejournal. | 18:44 |
| aol | mobile review did it first again | 18:44 |
| aol | (pic with screen visible :) | 18:44 |
| aol | they must be connected somehow with the official nokia marketting | 18:44 |
| wazd | they are | 18:45 |
| aol | lifting the hype just before the official release | 18:45 |
| wazd | Nokia Maps are there, thank god :) | 18:45 |
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| aol | and ovi | 18:45 |
| aol | which means ovi store | 18:45 |
| wazd | aol: not exactly | 18:45 |
| wazd | aol: maybe just sharing stuff or something :) | 18:46 |
| aol | yeah right | 18:46 |
| wazd | aol: But I hope there will be a place for some commercial apps | 18:46 |
| aol | which equals ovi store | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | yay preinstalled x-term. not that anyone is surprised. | 18:47 |
| wazd | Statusbar icon look silly, I'll be honnest :) | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | regarding http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1957.jpg, is it the poor quality of the picture, or is the front really all flat with no beveling? | 18:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm surprised at the lack of a "signal" indicator. | 18:48 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: there is one | 18:48 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: top-right | 18:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Phone one :) | 18:48 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: top-center - wifi | 18:48 |
| Firebird | think he means the bars | 18:48 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: botton-center - bt | 18:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: That icon is the one for that network-manager program available for Diablo, even | 18:49 |
| fiferboy | Is that a mic opening on the left centre? | 18:49 |
| javispedro | fiferboy, it's that or speaker, iphone style | 18:49 |
| thopiekar | Stskeeps: calling with a ngage QD .. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_C-ZPmJYc4uQ/RiSiC5QAaeI/AAAAAAAAACE/5Ct33bxRWPs/s320/IMG_0279.JPG :D | 18:49 |
| javispedro | the taco one was prettier :D | 18:50 |
| thopiekar | that what I meant before :) | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | That battery icon is horrifying | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the connection applet mostly just looks like clutter. | 18:50 |
| javispedro | I don't understand why the status area isn't right aligned | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: not very hand-friendly... | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, they need a real Maemo logo. ;) | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, the status bar is one big tap area. | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | It brings up all applets at once. | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: they stole your idea! | 18:51 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Which one? | 18:51 |
| thopiekar | ah.. k | 18:51 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, yeah, definitely :) | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: The clock | 18:51 |
| fiferboy | I knew I should have applied for a patent... | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | It looks like there isn't a hard size limit on (at least some of the) statusbar contents | 18:52 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: idea was mine, Andrew made the rest :D | 18:52 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: Andrew Power! | 18:52 |
| fiferboy | wazd: True, you dropped the ball on the patent | 18:52 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Ah, right :D | 18:53 |
| wazd | fiferboy: btw, I've got some time to help you with your secret app :P | 18:53 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Thanks! It's not really a secret, just not ready for prime-time | 18:53 |
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| Jaffa | mgedmin: I *think* it's bevelless, which is interesting | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:58 |
| javispedro | there seems to be a bit of shadow in the extremes, but not as much as in the n8x0 | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | capacitative touchscreen? | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | finger-friendly, stylus-hostile | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | unless you've got a metal stylus, perhaps? | 18:59 |
| wazd | mgedmin: resistive | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, no. | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | one of those dem electrickety thangs, yes | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many times do we have to say it's resistive. <_< | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think I've corrected that rumor at least 2 dozen times by now. | 18:59 |
| wazd | who needs capacitive TS when you can have normal resistive | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | until everyone hears :) | 18:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, well, the part number has been in the kernel since last year. | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | get a bot react whennever somebody says 'capacitative' | 19:00 |
| javispedro | and kick him from the channel? ;) | 19:00 |
| wazd | the only thing that's on the capacitive side is that you can use any material to cover screen | 19:00 |
| * mgedmin wonders if spreading rumors on IRC influences the maemo.org karma points | 19:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, yes, we give all of your karma points to frank.wagner. | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | good thing I don't have any :-) | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | I think... | 19:01 |
| wazd | guys, mabe someone remember | 19:01 |
| wazd | there was a short movie on youtube | 19:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | All movies on YouTube are short. | 19:02 |
| wazd | bout simulation of nuclear strike at New York | 19:02 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: not all ;) | 19:02 |
| wazd | with some fancy electro music | 19:03 |
| wazd | it was pretty popular, so maybe someone remembers it | 19:03 |
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| Andy80 | I propose to cut 10-50 karma points to people who spread rumors on irc/ML/twitter ecc... :P | 19:05 |
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| javispedro | wazd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI | 19:06 |
| wazd | hmm, can see it | 19:08 |
| wazd | restricte | 19:08 |
| wazd | d | 19:08 |
| javispedro | damn, I can't even rickroll properly ;) | 19:08 |
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| wazd | :D | 19:08 |
| wazd | oh, found it! Round 2. Can anybody tell what's the soundtrack? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 | 19:10 |
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| RepMace | hm | 19:17 |
| RepMace | still going | 19:17 |
| ron1n | Sorry, can't contain my excitement. =P http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/469692.html | 19:17 |
| ron1n | new "n900" pics | 19:18 |
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| kfx | if this device doesn't have drag lock I am going to buy one expressly so I can put it in a microwave | 19:19 |
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| ron1n | drag lock? | 19:20 |
| ron1n | don't follow | 19:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | kfx, it has a hardware switch. | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just like the N810, 5800, and N97. | 19:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | kfx: that bug was "Fixed in Fremantle" and the feature was added unofficially to Diablo... | 19:21 |
| ron1n | I'd prefer a hardware lock. Makes more sense to me. | 19:21 |
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| kfx | GeneralAntilles: I don't mean a way to disable the touchscreen, I mean a way to lock apps in place on the home screen | 19:22 |
| sjgadsby | kfx: Nokia took Diablo's Applets on Ice idea further with Maemo 5. The applets on the RX-51 are constantly moving, bouncing around the screen. You have to catch them to use them. | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 19:22 |
| javispedro | sjgadsby, :D | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, been fixed for a while. | 19:22 |
| kfx | sjgadsby: let's do it. it's got an accelerometer, right? applets should be assigned a fake mass based on screen real estate occupied; we'll assume constant density for now | 19:23 |
| kfx | that way you can just spin it and the bigger heavier applets will slide to the outsides of the screen | 19:23 |
| GAN800 | sjgadsby, ever use the folder physics extension for OS 9? | 19:23 |
| ron1n | kfx: centrifuge organizing! | 19:24 |
| sjgadsby | No. I skipped OS 9. | 19:24 |
| GAN800 | Ah, too bad, was a fun one. | 19:24 |
| GAN800 | You could toss folders around with the mouse. | 19:24 |
| sjgadsby | I have an old B&W G3 in a corner. I'll have to try to find the software. | 19:24 |
| GAN800 | It was French, I believe. | 19:25 |
| kfx | "fixed in fremantle" is a code that I decipher as "you need to spend $750 to have this" | 19:25 |
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| GAN800 | Or get Mer | 19:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | kfx: Did you read the other half of my sentence? :) | 19:25 |
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| GAN800 | I can't save in Amazon Queen. :( | 19:26 |
| kfx | qwerty12_N810: yeah, but the third half, that contained a link to the solution, seems to have been lost in transmission | 19:26 |
| ron1n | Third half XD serious a fraction infraction is serious. | 19:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | kfx: There's debs on the bug report. I can't be arsed to get the link, but maybe someone else'll be kind as to do so. | 19:27 |
| javispedro | here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 | 19:27 |
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| ron1n | javispedro: ahhh again -_- | 19:27 |
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| kfx | I hope stuff like that winds up in the "community update" or whatever nokia's calling the handover | 19:28 |
| ron1n | yeah so do I. I love Rick Astley. | 19:28 |
| ron1n | =P | 19:28 |
| RepMace | haha | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ron1n, ever listen to Car Talk? | 19:29 |
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| RepMace | miami vice.. new #! show | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | kfx, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 19:29 |
| RepMace | #1 | 19:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RepMace: Eurotrip? | 19:29 |
| RepMace | heh | 19:29 |
| RepMace | that movie was an instant classic | 19:30 |
| ron1n | GeneralAntilles: nope | 19:30 |
| RepMace | like when they are playing the techno scotty doesnt know song | 19:30 |
| kfx | GeneralAntilles: I <3 Mer. Eagerly awaiting 0.16 | 19:30 |
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| ron1n | RepMace: Nowhere. near. berlin. | 19:30 |
| RepMace | yeah haha | 19:30 |
| RepMace | a nickel. i quit! | 19:31 |
| RepMace | i open my own hotel now! | 19:31 |
| ron1n | XD | 19:31 |
| RepMace | is mike really a common german girl name? | 19:31 |
| RepMace | pronounced mika | 19:32 |
| RepMace | meekaa | 19:32 |
| ron1n | I don't think so. | 19:32 |
| ron1n | then again, my middle name is Michele, looks like Michelle, pronounced Meekelleh | 19:32 |
| ron1n | so who knows. | 19:32 |
| RepMace | heh | 19:32 |
| RepMace | well. bbl | 19:32 |
| ron1n | later | 19:32 |
| RepMace | just checked in on my gentoo building | 19:33 |
| RepMace | i think it is building db now | 19:33 |
| wazd | javispedro: I've almost clicked my own link :D | 19:33 |
| javispedro | wazd, yeah, had to grab yours since my was defective :P | 19:34 |
| thopiekar | see you | 19:34 |
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| lbt | so how come m.t.o qualifies for karma but #maemo doesn't? | 19:50 |
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| lbt | s/m.t.o/t.m.o/ | 19:50 |
| infobot | lbt meant: so how come t.m.o qualifies for karma but #maemo doesn't? | 19:50 |
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| rkirti | hehe | 19:50 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 19:52 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: harder to quanitify | 19:52 |
| VDVsx | lbt, nah, people don't rant 'enough' here | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | line whoring != contribution | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lbt, because nobody has implemented an indexer yet. | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Feel free. | 19:53 |
| kfx | I thought infobots could track karma | 19:53 |
| kfx | infobot: karma kfx | 19:53 |
| infobot | kfx has neutral karma | 19:53 |
| kfx | infobot: karma lbt | 19:53 |
| infobot | lbt has neutral karma | 19:53 |
| kfx | lbt++ | 19:53 |
| kfx | infobot: karma lbt | 19:53 |
| kfx | hmm | 19:54 |
| wazd | infobot: karma wazd | 19:54 |
| infobot | wazd has neutral karma | 19:54 |
| wazd | :) | 19:54 |
| kfx | infobot: karma lbt | 19:54 |
| infobot | lbt has neutral karma | 19:54 |
| kfx | maybe karma tracking is disabled on this one | 19:54 |
| wazd | ~burn himself | 19:54 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 19:54 | |
| lbt | I just wanted to start a war... | 19:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not the same thing. | 19:55 |
| lbt | I was bored | 19:55 |
| lbt | seems the done thing... | 19:55 |
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| lbt | gah - gcc | 19:57 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd, everyone: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313135&postcount=1081 | 21:10 |
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| RepMace | ih oh | 21:12 |
| RepMace | uh oh too | 21:12 |
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| RepMace | hm | 21:14 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 21:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: Fremantle dialogs suck. | 21:15 |
| RST38h | the rest is cool =) | 21:16 |
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| RepMace | Stskeeps: looks nice | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | it just confirms what i knew already, we have fremantle apis pretty darn solid underneath :P | 21:17 |
| RepMace | are those real pics? | 21:17 |
| RepMace | heh | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | RepMace: fully real, but they're staged | 21:17 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 21:17 |
| RepMace | oh | 21:17 |
| RST38h | transparency too? | 21:17 |
| RepMace | ok | 21:17 |
| RepMace | maybe 0.16 ;) | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the blur effect? no, but we will have click outside window | 21:17 |
| RepMace | ? | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | RepMace: .17 rather | 21:18 |
| RepMace | ah | 21:18 |
| RepMace | ok | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | btw, why the fvwm craze? | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: No, the transparency under the Mer status bar | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: fairly fake transparency | 21:19 |
| RST38h | javis: seasonal? | 21:19 |
| RST38h | Sts: ekh... | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Bleh, no preview tonight? | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's so lame. | 21:19 |
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| RST38h | ohmygod g11 is out and s90 too wanna wanna wanna | 21:19 |
| javispedro | oh, hi RST38h. | 21:19 |
| RST38h | General: Expect it around midnight EU time | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably just as well, though, since I'm assuming there's Nokia Ninja with a knife to his throat. | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it is the background you see through it | 21:19 |
| javispedro | by putting 4 times the "register" keyword in the C code I got +5fps | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it just reads the background and applies it though | 21:19 |
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| xnt14[work] | hello maemo! :P | 21:20 |
| RST38h | Sts: <disappointment> :) | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hey, it gets good performance :P | 21:20 |
| xnt14[work] | ~seen b-man16 | 21:20 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=mckenzba@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 15h 18m 25s ago, saying: 'i have no idea :('. | 21:20 |
| RST38h | General: Twitter message indicates that he will publish it on mobile-review.com around midnight EU time today. | 21:20 |
| xnt14[work] | hmm | 21:20 |
| RST38h | General: IF he publishes it. | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, some post on Talk saying he decided against it to give Nokia more to announce. | 21:20 |
| RST38h | General: Unless someone does it before me, I will try properly translating it tomorrow morning between 9:00 and 12:00 EU time | 21:21 |
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| Stskeeps | honestly though, what marketing advantage does announcements have? | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | isn't rumours the best these days? | 21:21 |
| RST38h | General: Post on talk? :) | 21:21 |
| RST38h | General: talk poster interpreted Google translation of a Twitter message done in Russian, and the message was unclear even in Russian | 21:21 |
| xnt14[work] | ~seen Brian_M | 21:23 |
| infobot | xnt14[work]: i haven't seen 'brian_m' | 21:23 |
| xnt14[work] | ~seen BrianMckenzie | 21:23 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'brianmckenzie', xnt14[work] | 21:23 |
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| sjgadsby | Ha! A (tenuous) link between Maemo devices and advertising: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313130&postcount=78 I suppose it will have to happen eventually if Maemo is to go mainstream. | 21:27 |
| sjgadsby | The "Maemo doesn't work as advertised" rants may eventually have a chance at substance even. | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | sjgadsby: i would be afraid of the trolls getting hold of her.. | 21:29 |
| javispedro | well, it's advertised as world's 2009 best mobile device. I think world's best mobile device is the potato peeler, but Maemo doesn't do anything like that, so -> Maemo doesn't work as advertised. | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | if it was a company doing maemo marketing ;) | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | sjgadsby: She is a troll | 21:31 |
| sjgadsby | RST38h: No girls on the Internet? | 21:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | She's from London, must be a decent person | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i wonder if the co-creation stuff will cause more people from nokia to be active on talk.* | 21:32 |
| RST38h | sjgadsby: No, other markers | 21:32 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well | 21:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: again, you have 3 ways to switch wondows | 21:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: that's kinda overkill :) | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah, the bar isn't the focus in those screenshots | 21:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: ah, ok :) | 21:34 |
| * RST38h read "you have 3 ways to switch widows" | 21:34 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm waiting for a mockup from you on how we can make an as-functional fremantle-like-but-also-mer-branded ui :) | 21:35 |
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| Stskeeps | before starting that work too much | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: this stuff is practically flexible enough to make simple stuff (fremantle look) and more advanced stuff, so :P | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm, there are three holes at the N900 surface | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Camera, light sensor and what? LED? | 21:39 |
| sjgadsby | LED flash? | 21:39 |
| javispedro | on the surface? lol | 21:39 |
| RST38h | that is specially for making Dracula photos of oneself | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: So 15-20 min to go/N900 | 21:40 |
| RST38h | \ | 21:40 |
| javispedro | anti-steal device. temporarily blind whoever stole your N900 | 21:40 |
| javispedro | burn a hole through his retinas with n900 laser | 21:40 |
| RST38h | release sarin gas? | 21:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Built in taser? | 21:41 |
| suihkulokki | that would be bad, they wouldn't let you use it on a airplane :P | 21:41 |
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| sjgadsby | It's where you screw in the joystick. | 21:41 |
| javispedro | ^^first mod. use the taser battery to power the n800 after the "two hours of active use" run out. | 21:42 |
| RST38h | sjgadsby: BINGO! | 21:42 |
| javispedro | *n900. damn. | 21:42 |
| mavhc | what url should I be reading? | 21:42 |
| zakkm | yo did you guys notice | 21:42 |
| zakkm | one of the screenshots, the one that shows battery | 21:42 |
| konttori | lol | 21:42 |
| zakkm | it has 75% battery life on it and says "1 hour active left" | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Shit, next time we go on vacation, it will be to Alaska. | 21:42 |
| javispedro | zakkm, yes. but the reviewer said he got 6 hours out of it. | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Or some other cool, windy place | 21:42 |
| RST38h | zakkm: Wouldn't trust that meter | 21:43 |
| RST38h | N810 also runs for 5+ hours when playing video | 21:43 |
| zakkm | RST38h: i wouldnt either, but that was just funny to notice :P | 21:43 |
| zakkm | depends the video :P | 21:44 |
| zakkm | and brightness | 21:44 |
| mavhc | and the player | 21:45 |
| RST38h | mostly depends on the CPU load | 21:45 |
| zakkm | ??? doesnt everyone use mplayer? | 21:46 |
| zakkm | on the tablet | 21:46 |
| mavhc | new power saving feature: camera tracks your eyeballs and turns off the screen when you're not looking at it | 21:46 |
| RST38h | and CPU load is usually 100% when paying video on that meager ARM | 21:46 |
| zakkm | mavhc: whats powering the camera? | 21:46 |
| mavhc | tiny generators attached to your eyeballs | 21:46 |
| Andy80 | ehm... the review is already onlin on that site -.- | 21:47 |
| mavhc | url? | 21:48 |
| sjgadsby | Nuts. Mobile-Review uses "Freemantle" in their preview: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml | 21:48 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, systemui looks good with an HildonAppMenu | 21:50 |
| RST38h | Oh yesssssss | 21:50 |
| sjgadsby | Attitude's in a screenshot! Pre-installed? | 21:50 |
| mavhc | apparently apple use Linux OS in their phone | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sjgadsby: no, he's been installing stuff | 21:51 |
| zakkm | mavhc: since when? theres clear mac stuff in it | 21:51 |
| javispedro | I can rlready hear the black helicopters. | 21:51 |
| zakkm | its "linux os" because mac has most linux commands in it . | 21:51 |
| zakkm | :O i want that tablet | 21:51 |
| mavhc | since linux = bsd | 21:52 |
| zakkm | guys... is it me or does http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr05.jpg look too much like canola? | 21:52 |
| zakkm | even with the thing in bottom right | 21:52 |
| RST38h | 1500mAh battery | 21:52 |
| zakkm | for like exit | 21:52 |
| zakkm | stealers -.- | 21:52 |
| sjgadsby | zakkm: Not a surprise. They brought Handful to Finland for a reason. | 21:52 |
| * RST38h brings up a jar to salivate into | 21:53 | |
| zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr08.jpg <-- wow thats unique way .. copying mac's delete from desktop :P | 21:53 |
| zakkm | ipod one | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Well, how many talk posters wanted iPhone? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Here, your iPhone | 21:53 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: salivate? I'm getting a hard-on just by looking at the pics | 21:53 |
| javispedro | glad to know it has a rgb led. | 21:53 |
| zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr27.jpg <--- wait so it is a phone? | 21:53 |
| zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr24.jpg WOOH didnt change thumb keyboard.. odd since it has a hardware one :P | 21:54 |
| javispedro | LOL "Memory for installable appications": 18MiB. | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Weird hole at the top close to the camera button | 21:54 |
| zakkm | its a phone? | 21:54 |
| RST38h | qwerty: You are making me blush | 21:55 |
| javispedro | I hope that if they're using ubifs and a special rootfs it's bigger than 256MiB. | 21:55 |
| zakkm | The new device will hit the stores late in 2009 with the price tag of about €550 (after the announcement there can be some price corrections). | 21:55 |
| zakkm | lol 550 euro! | 21:55 |
| javispedro | Task switching done in Exposé style. | 21:55 |
| Andy80 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 21:55 |
| zakkm | $862 -.- i can afford a sickass laptop for that | 21:56 |
| Andy80 | INFAME!!! | 21:56 |
| zakkm | and 2 iphones | 21:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: hehe :p | 21:56 |
| Andy80 | I really wanna kick this guy in the ass!!!! | 21:56 |
| Andy80 | "For example, Apple managed to adapt Linux OS for their infamous Apple iPhone," | 21:56 |
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| Andy80 | MY GOD! | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Andy: Hehe | 21:56 |
| Andy80 | an example of fucking useless asshole!!!! | 21:56 |
| * Stskeepz salivates | 21:56 | |
| zakkm | lcuk: they stole your "edit tags" :P http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr67.jpg | 21:56 |
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| Andy80 | the same QI of a GOAT! | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Andy: iPhone is overrated | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Linux, BSD, who cares | 21:56 |
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| sjgadsby | RST38h: What /is/ that little square near the camera button? | 21:57 |
| Andy80 | no | 21:57 |
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| RST38h | status bar is not transparent :( | 21:57 |
| Andy80 | he's a fucking RETARD | 21:57 |
| RST38h | sjgadsby: exactly my question | 21:57 |
| gnuton | Hi there | 21:57 |
| RST38h | Andy: He is, but it is not what we all like him for :) | 21:57 |
| javispedro | it has agenda. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | zakkm :) | 21:57 |
| Andy80 | RST38h: I don't like him at all :P | 21:57 |
| zakkm | :D | 21:58 |
| * lcuk falls over @ awesomeness | 21:58 | |
| RST38h | App Manager is seriously screwed style wise | 21:58 |
| sjgadsby | RST38h: Could it be a release button for the rear cover? How's that work on the N97? | 21:58 |
| RST38h | Andy80: Well he is not a dollar bill... | 21:58 |
| RST38h | sjgadsby: naah | 21:58 |
| zakkm | it will be fine | 21:58 |
| Stskeepz | i must say fremantle looks sweet :) | 21:58 |
| RST38h | sjgadsby: I am almost tempeted to think it is an ir sensor | 21:58 |
| zakkm | lol $862 canadian ... for n900 apparently | 21:58 |
| zakkm | how does anyone afford that | 21:59 |
| Stskeepz | it looks fremantle friendly | 21:59 |
| sjgadsby | RST38h: Hmm. Yes, it does look like one. | 21:59 |
| Stskeepz | 862? not bad | 21:59 |
| javispedro | uh oh. | 21:59 |
| suihkulokki | zakkm: by carried subsides | 21:59 |
| javispedro | "Perhaps they’ll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. " ...... | 21:59 |
| RST38h | ATTENTION FOLKS: MAIL FOR EXCHANGE DETECTED | 21:59 |
| zakkm | subsides frm what? | 21:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: I thought Canada was overpriced anyway wrt phones? | 21:59 |
| RST38h | And please remember that price differs by country | 21:59 |
| zakkm | not at all | 21:59 |
| zakkm | we just dont have alot | 21:59 |
| zakkm | then again im in a huge city, so it might be different | 22:00 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa's App, eheh | 22:00 |
| suihkulokki | zakkm: you are aware that carriers subsides phones when you take them with a contract? | 22:00 |
| zakkm | our phone selection sucks completely but its not expensive | 22:00 |
| zakkm | contracts suck in canada | 22:00 |
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| Stskeepz | microsd instead of minisd, woo | 22:00 |
| Stskeepz | if not misunderstood | 22:00 |
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| zakkm | i dont get why it has thumb keyboard, if it only supports n900 | 22:00 |
| zakkm | and it has a hardware one | 22:00 |
| wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900.shtml | 22:01 |
| lcuk | zakkm, that could just be a for now thing :) | 22:01 |
| wazd | bayan :( | 22:01 |
| zakkm | wazd: nice with the nonenglish one :P | 22:01 |
| mavhc | because it's already in maemo | 22:01 |
| zakkm | Stskeepz: so now you know what to make mer look like eh? :) | 22:02 |
| lcuk | 18.9mb for apps :O | 22:02 |
| * javispedro wonders if the failure to mention the correct os name for the iphone will attract more attention that the n900 review, specially considering the history of that site. | 22:02 | |
| wazd | zakkm: screenshots are international :) | 22:02 |
| RST38h | javis: It will throw iPhone trolls off balance indeed | 22:02 |
| zakkm | true | 22:02 |
| mavhc | why can't you just install apps on the sd card in maemo? | 22:02 |
| zakkm | how did this person obtain one anyways? | 22:03 |
| Andy80 | javispedro: I'm going to comment the news and say he's a fucking LAMER :) | 22:03 |
| zakkm | waitt guys whats the resolution of it? | 22:03 |
| zakkm | cant seem to find | 22:04 |
| wazd | this baby gonna rock the world | 22:04 |
| RST38h | 800x480 | 22:04 |
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| wazd | maemo+sync+fast cpu = ohmygodgimmetwonow! | 22:05 |
| RST38h | The Fremantle UI widgets are absolutely atrocious though | 22:05 |
| zakkm | "this smartphone is built on ARM coretex-A8 cpu and carries 32gb of internal memory onboard" what do you mean 18mb is left for apps? | 22:05 |
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| RST38h | Person who came up with this design and layout better be fired before they get into Harmattan | 22:05 |
| Stskeepz | zakkm: that part threw me a bit off balance too | 22:05 |
| javispedro | didn't someone tell me they're still using ubifs? | 22:05 |
| javispedro | if they're using ubifs, there's a nand chip apart from the main emmc somewhere. | 22:06 |
| wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr22.jpg <- task switcher :) | 22:06 |
| zakkm | i mean they could be using 256mb onboard onboard... in linux whatever, and then 32gb would be fat... so windows could recognize it | 22:06 |
| Stskeepz | on the other hand this thing -really- lends itself to clone-to-SD | 22:06 |
| Stskeepz | :P | 22:06 |
| zakkm | wazd: did you see they stole "canola" ? :P | 22:06 |
| javispedro | probably that chip is 512MiB and the new rootfs is 500MiB ;) | 22:06 |
| RST38h | "Perhaps theyll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. " | 22:06 |
| javispedro | ^^^ | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | He didn't show how it works as a phone physically. Then again, it supports portrait. | 22:07 |
| zakkm | Stskeepz: clone to " internal memory" more like.. 32gb? :P | 22:07 |
| zakkm | why buy a SD | 22:07 |
| wazd | zakkm: well, icons in a row thats a definite sign of Canola :D | 22:07 |
| Stskeepz | zakkm: internal memory is SD | 22:07 |
| zakkm | yes it is.. did you see the bottom right? | 22:07 |
| lcuk | RST38h, http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic10.jpg | 22:07 |
| zakkm | they put "quit" in the same spot | 22:07 |
| lcuk | isnt that a stylus? | 22:07 |
| javispedro | lcuk: thank you and god. | 22:07 |
| sjgadsby | lcuk: Looks like one to me. | 22:07 |
| zakkm | dont for me | 22:07 |
| javispedro | what a review then. | 22:07 |
| zakkm | could be a wifi switch | 22:07 |
| wazd | oh! | 22:07 |
| * lcuk cheers | 22:07 | |
| zakkm | and the other could be for charger | 22:08 |
| wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr29.jpg | 22:08 |
| javispedro | unless he's talking about second stylus. | 22:08 |
| wazd | Jaffa's Attitude! :D | 22:08 |
| zakkm | wazd: now you know how to skin mer ?:P hah | 22:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It looks like S60 5th. . . . | 22:09 |
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| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, maybe that was the intention. | 22:09 |
| wazd | zakkm: Mer will have unique style :) | 22:09 |
| fiferboy | Does Nokia Maps come with routing? | 22:09 |
| RST38h | General: They intended it to look like S60 | 22:10 |
| javispedro | looks line S60 = is S60 for most people. so current Nokia buyers not scared; then when then complain about their S60 apps not working close shop and relocate to africa. | 22:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: it'd be a bad Wayfinder replacement if it didn't :) | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | General: Because that is what Maemo is supposed to replace ;) | 22:10 |
| wazd | oh, portrait mode! | 22:10 |
| wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr76.jpg | 22:10 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: I mean, come with it out of the box, rather than a separate subscription... | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow | 22:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Exchange mail | 22:10 |
| javispedro | "Compared to S60, the N900's boot time is much faster," | 22:10 |
| javispedro | wow. | 22:10 |
| javispedro | S60 must suck. | 22:10 |
| zakkm | wow rotation works? :D | 22:11 |
| Stskeepz | at least we still have old classics such as X Terminal and Blocks. | 22:11 |
| RST38h | zakkm: at least for one app | 22:11 |
| javispedro | "There is a partial compatibility with old applications" <-- someone should tell him he's testing NEW applications, not Diablo's ;) | 22:11 |
| RST38h | General: Another hint to the fact that this is targeted as S60 replacement | 22:11 |
| RST38h | javis: He is not a technical guy | 22:12 |
| javispedro | (or maybe not to hide the fact some fremantle apps don't work yet) | 22:12 |
| RST38h | javis: When he starts talking technology a lot of details get messed up | 22:12 |
| zakkm | isnt it still in beta? | 22:12 |
| * lcuk loves the theme | 22:12 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | ^ | 22:13 |
| * RST38h is disappointed at the non-transparent status bar and the absolutely hideous dialogs | 22:13 | |
| zakkm | there should be some sort of "fremantle hacker edition" without opengl :P | 22:13 |
| lcuk | i mean colors and style :) | 22:13 |
| RST38h | the rest rules =) | 22:13 |
| javispedro | I like the icons, but not the darkness. | 22:13 |
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| * Andy80 really wants to write a post about this stupid guy who did the review.... my granmother has more knowledge than him -.- | 22:13 | |
| Stskeepz | javispedro: there's a bright theme | 22:13 |
| lcuk | javispedro, dark is better for a mob device | 22:13 |
| RST38h | icons are from s60e5 | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | plus, at night its easier on eyes | 22:13 |
| javispedro | on a sunny day, dark theme? | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Andy80: You can rave in his livejouirnal | 22:14 |
| Stskeepz | Andy80: can't you just join us in enjoying that Nokia/Maemo Devices are actually putting out a sane device that might be what makes a breakthrough for Maemo? | 22:14 |
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| javispedro | so this is how the only GNU/Linux smartphone looks. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | and yeah zakkm \@/ i am doin taggin now lol | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | FUCK! | 22:15 |
| Stskeepz | if it's really out in september, this will certainly help hype up till then | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | They turned MicroB into the shitty S60 browser. | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ugh | 22:15 |
| RST38h | All right, seen enough, going back | 22:15 |
| RST38h | You mean MicroB is NOT shitty? | 22:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | ^ | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | That stupid, obnoxious, piece of shit fullscreen toggle button. . . . | 22:15 |
| javispedro | probably fades out after a few seconds | 22:15 |
| javispedro | would look very appleish. | 22:15 |
| Andy80 | Stskeepz: I do prefer not doing comment until it's officially out :) when I'll have the possibility to have one of them I can express my hopinion :P | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's incredibly in the way on S60. | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Good General just can't be pleased no matter what... | 22:16 |
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| RST38h | So what that it looks like S60? If it WORKS, who cares? | 22:16 |
| Stskeepz | Andy80: *shrug* :) a leak's a leak and most of this stuff has been around in pieces already | 22:16 |
| lcuk | wazd, zakkm is right, lets get something along those lines on mer :) | 22:16 |
| RST38h | Make a new theme, and it will look different | 22:16 |
| zakkm | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313135&postcount=1081 | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this particular feature of S60 DOESN'T come close to working. | 22:16 |
| RST38h | Use Tear for the browsing | 22:16 |
| RST38h | General: the arrow thing? | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 22:16 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | That thing makes we want to start stabbing people and/or things. | 22:17 |
| Stskeepz | zerojayPC: excellent comment about bugs and pictures :> | 22:17 |
| zakkm | lcuk: did you look? | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Yea, it is kinda messy, good theory not confirmed by practice | 22:17 |
| sjgadsby | The browser UI will be open this time, yes? So, we kill the arrow. | 22:17 |
| lcuk | yeah, hence :D | 22:17 |
| javispedro | kill the arrow, put back the "fit to width" option, etc. | 22:17 |
| javispedro | forward port the diablo browser :P | 22:17 |
| RST38h | Yes I love my fit to width option | 22:17 |
| RST38h | You are all saying it is broken, you evil bastards | 22:18 |
| RST38h | And I lovie, KLove, LOVE it | 22:18 |
| * lcuk wonders whether the calendar can accept sketches | 22:18 | |
| sjgadsby | RST38h: You're sicker than I thought. | 22:18 |
| RST38h | Wanna it back. Where is my nuclear device? | 22:18 |
| javispedro | the reviewer says nothing about the laser!! | 22:19 |
| javispedro | nor the compass!! | 22:19 |
| wazd | lol | 22:19 |
| RST38h | javis: that is what he has decided to withheld until the official annoncement | 22:19 |
| wazd | Eldar writes: "It's too early to tell you bout the details of the CPU" | 22:19 |
| wazd | We knew them for a year, dude :D | 22:19 |
| RST38h | Ok, I am out for now. Will try to get back over GPRS | 22:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Modest has to work for Fremantle. | 22:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: Maybe it is going to be a Samsung after all? | 22:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: Tegra :) | 22:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: Same as in 3GS? | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Tegra is ARM9 afaik | 22:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You can't sell a smart-phone with an e-mail client that sucks dick. | 22:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: No, he told that it's Cortex :) | 22:20 |
| RST38h | They didn't take their time to research ARM CPU market | 22:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: Samsung is a Cortex chip | 22:20 |
| RST38h | wazd: Used in iPhone 3GS | 22:20 |
| javispedro | so, how many taps from any app to launch x-term? | 22:21 |
| javispedro | I count a lot. | 22:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh | 22:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm a lamer in these things :) | 22:21 |
| wazd | Easter Egg :) | 22:22 |
| wazd | Hardware layout: English, netherlands | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | How many Euros does the N97 go for? | 22:22 |
| lardman | I may have missed the answer to this, but why does mobilre-review have an n900? | 22:22 |
| wazd | Ready for the Summit? :) | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, put it on the desktop? | 22:22 |
| wazd | lardman: Eldar sleeps with Nokia PR Manager :D | 22:22 |
| javispedro | how many taps to get to desktop. | 22:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: hehe | 22:22 |
| lardman | wazd: :) ok | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | One, as far as I know. | 22:23 |
| javispedro | the top-left button seems to activate task switcher. | 22:23 |
| wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr24.jpg <- stoopid layout | 22:24 |
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| javispedro | oh, btw, Nokia maps app has transparent title bar. | 22:24 |
| javispedro | is there public api for that? | 22:24 |
| wazd | "," is under symbol sign and "^" is on the main pad | 22:24 |
| wazd | how often do you use ^ | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | maybe they invented a new programming language just for this device :D | 22:25 |
| lcuk | one that needs lots of ^ | 22:25 |
| javispedro | programming? | 22:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | People need to get over the capacitive insanity. | 22:25 |
| javispedro | maybe they invented a new _human_ language. | 22:25 |
| Stskeepz | wazd: ^_^ | 22:25 |
| sjgadsby | wazd: You need "^" to type about the new Symbian stuff. | 22:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: if user == NORTHERNER; then GTFO | 22:25 |
| lcuk | :( | 22:25 |
| * lcuk goes | 22:25 | |
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| Andy80 | LOL "FREEmantle" :D | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | What's the N97's price in Euros? | 22:26 |
| javispedro | does elder allow comments? | 22:27 |
| wazd | FreeDismantle :D | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | The notch on the top next to the camera button is weird. | 22:27 |
| Andy80 | javispedro: luckly for him not.... | 22:27 |
| fiferboy | Why did it have to be such a detailed leak? Waiting is going to be especially hard now... | 22:27 |
| javispedro | FreeDismantle, that's what they're going to do tomorrow when Nokians start working on Harmattan. | 22:27 |
| lardman | hmm, strange, no windows whatsoever | 22:28 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: IRDA? :) | 22:28 |
| fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: IR window? | 22:28 |
| wazd | looks like Andrews think the ame way :D | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd/fiferboy, that was my guess when I saw the first set of image leaks. | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't look quite right for that somehow. | 22:28 |
| Stskeepz | javispedro: i bloody well hope so | 22:28 |
| fiferboy | wazd: We should just share a nick | 22:29 |
| wazd | With new tablet they gonna Harm-attan everybody :) | 22:29 |
| lcuk | lardman, indows? | 22:29 |
| lcuk | w | 22:29 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So I guess no 2mm power plug? | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's too bad. | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gonna suck for host-mode. | 22:30 |
| javispedro | you'll need a triple adaptor ;) | 22:30 |
| lardman | Well, that really is a leak | 22:30 |
| wazd | media player looks kinda old :) | 22:30 |
| wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr03.jpg | 22:31 |
| javispedro | they could do a usb otg cable with a single power source for both devices | 22:31 |
| wazd | oh! http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr49.jpg | 22:31 |
| wazd | That's a desktop switcher! | 22:32 |
| wazd | or enabler | 22:32 |
| wazd | or desktop something :) | 22:32 |
| javispedro | desktop waste-of-time ;) | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | The third checked item looks like the current wallpaper | 22:33 |
| lardman | wazd: looks like #73 is the switcher too | 22:33 |
| * javispedro had already grabbed the popcorn, but seeing there are no comments in the leak he'd better store them again. | 22:33 | |
| lardman | screenshots are pretty though :) | 22:34 |
| javispedro | good news troll fans everywhere: engadget's got it already, and they enabled comments! | 22:34 |
| javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/19/nokias-maemo-5-rx-51-n900-tablet-gets-exhaustively-previewed/ | 22:34 |
| * Stskeepz ponders why his debconf part 2 post hasn't showed up on planet yet | 22:35 | |
| javispedro | "Resistive is a bit dissapointing", "Wow unlocked price of €550 is better than i thought!", "I think it's resistive because RX-51 has much bigger display than the iPhone/Pre", "Maemo 5 is definitely finger friendly so capacitive screens in the future wouldn't be a problem for it" | 22:36 |
| javispedro | beatiful. | 22:36 |
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| Stskeepz | i wonder where two-touch is used | 22:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Engadget comments are funny | 22:37 |
| Stskeepz | or if tap-and-hold is still in use | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's like they bus in idiots just to comment on their blog. | 22:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: from YouTube? :) | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | hehe | 22:37 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles, in that case they've untapped the same source of money YouTube did :) | 22:37 |
| javispedro | Nokia should campaing in favour of resistive screens. | 22:38 |
| javispedro | even engadget says "disappointed we are in the Rover's resistive touchscree" | 22:38 |
| javispedro | Apple's marketing arm is too big. | 22:38 |
| lardman | pah, who needs capacitive | 22:39 |
| jhford | when the mircob browser tries to download a file and you click open, where does the file save to temporarily | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jhford: /var/tmp | 22:39 |
| zakkm | whats the difference between capacitive and resistive? | 22:39 |
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| Stskeepz | am i weird for not really seeing why you would need 3d ability in the desktop? | 22:39 |
| Stskeepz | except for expose | 22:39 |
| lardman | zakkm: capacitive is less accurate | 22:39 |
| zakkm | o | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | zakkm, capacitive is less PRECISE, uses more power and is more expensive. | 22:40 |
| lardman | zakkm: capacitive usually does multitouch, while resistive needs another layer to do that | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeepz: To beat the iPhone, you need a shitton of effects :) | 22:40 |
| * Andy80 wants a screenshot of the sound quality :D | 22:40 | |
| Stskeepz | qwerty12_N810: hehe | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Resistive is less accurate, more failure prone, and more difficult to use. | 22:40 |
| zakkm | Andy80: isnt that impossible for most humans | 22:40 |
| * lardman wants a screenshot of the DSP task list ;) | 22:40 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive does multitouch, is easy to use, and is generally adored by idiots everywhere. | 22:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Resistive is more precise, less costly, and can be used with a stylus. | 22:41 |
| Stskeepz | i wonder if there's a connection between liking capacitive and fart apps | 22:41 |
| wazd | I can say hello in his LJ if you want :) | 22:41 |
| wazd | or ask something | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | The big thing people like about capacitive is that it's generally more responsive than a cheap resistive display. | 22:42 |
| * fiferboy is bitter that lsbc, personal menu, and personal launcher are no longer needed | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | advbacklight | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plus, iPhone. | 22:42 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: they compare 3 yo resistive with brand new capacitive | 22:42 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: that's a horseshit | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | But a good resistive display gives you better precision and more input options. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Uses way less power, too. | 22:43 |
| Pavlov | having to use a stylus sucks | 22:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, right, which is where the GOOD part of a resistive display comes in. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800 has hardly seen a stylus in the past 2 years. | 22:43 |
| Pavlov | resistive displays don't feel good to touch | 22:44 |
| Pavlov | sure it can be done | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | That depends entirely on the display. | 22:44 |
| Pavlov | you learn to use your fingernail | 22:44 |
| lcuk | was nice to touch em in copenhagen | 22:44 |
| lcuk | i hope they used the same screen | 22:44 |
| lardman | what do we reckon the arrow on the kb does? middle row, left-hand side? | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe fullscreen? The icon for fullscreen has a similar arrow | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, ever tried doing real precision work with a capacitive display? | 22:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sucks. | 22:45 |
| lcuk | lardman, since the alt symbols on the keyboard are blue and in the top right corner | 22:45 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: ah, and there I was hoping for Tab :) | 22:45 |
| lcuk | i would imagine.. | 22:46 |
| sjgadsby | lardman: Yep. It's the new "Fn". | 22:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 22:46 |
| lardman | What about the Sym key above it then? | 22:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, of course. *bangs head* | 22:46 |
| sjgadsby | lardman: The new "Chr"? | 22:46 |
| lardman | yeah perhaps | 22:47 |
| Macer | 12 hours later | 22:47 |
| Macer | and it's still rebuilding world and system | 22:47 |
| Macer | hahaha | 22:47 |
| Macer | does mer upgrade with apt-get upgrade? | 22:47 |
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| zakkm | Macer: to be exact it would be dist-upgrade | 22:48 |
| Macer | ah. that's what i meant | 22:48 |
| zakkm | to upgrade version. to update packages like apps, it would be upgrade | 22:48 |
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| zakkm | but no not really still too early stage of distro :P | 22:48 |
| Macer | ah ok | 22:48 |
| Macer | just checking | 22:48 |
| zakkm | some upgrade, some dont | 22:48 |
| Macer | that would be kind of neat | 22:48 |
| zakkm | it will ;p | 22:49 |
| wazd | I've asked Eldar bout that window | 22:50 |
| wazd | near the camera | 22:50 |
| Luke-Jr | why the obsession with touchscreens anyhow? | 22:51 |
| wazd | 20 megs for installable apps is weird :) | 22:51 |
| Luke-Jr | I'd be happy with a simple eraser mouse | 22:51 |
| Stskeepz | wazd: he did install quite a lot of sstuf | 22:52 |
| Stskeepz | f | 22:52 |
| aol | uuh | 22:52 |
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| aol | the mobile-review review of n900 is pure sex :) | 22:52 |
| aol | it looks much better than I ever imagined | 22:53 |
| * lardman feels newly motivated/enthused having seen some new images | 22:53 | |
| wazd | Stskeepz: I don't think there is much stuff for M5 right now | 22:53 |
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| Stskeepz | wazd: extras isn't bad | 22:53 |
| wazd | Stskeepz: I want to see some games/huge apps too :) | 22:53 |
| Andy80 | wazd: maybe the OS takes about 31,9 Gb :P | 22:53 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: it'll most likely include images, and music etc | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | lardman|tv, sadly it didn't do much for me. | 22:54 |
| Andy80 | qwerty12_N810: it includes 5 Lost's seasons :) | 22:55 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: nope, he has 5Gigs of something on flash | 22:55 |
| Luke-Jr | will N900 support multi-touch? | 22:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Andy80: hehe | 22:55 |
| wazd | Luke-Jr: no | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: maybe he was just lazy to move some from the flash? :) | 22:56 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: "Mail for Exchange" (if it makes it through) would tick some of your boxes, yes? | 22:56 |
| Andy80 | maybe! if you touch with a finger a touch your nose it zooms in, if you touch your mouth it zooms out | 22:56 |
| Andy80 | revolutionary :P | 22:56 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: well, this question is already asked in LJ, let's wait for the answer :) | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: yessir :) | 22:57 |
| lardman|tv | GeneralAntilles: I think it's good to see some proof that the thing exists at last :) | 22:57 |
| lardman|tv | GeneralAntilles: am looking forward to the new device | 22:57 |
| Luke-Jr | ooooooooooo | 22:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman|tv: on Vodafone? ;P | 22:58 |
| Luke-Jr | multitouch is done in software for resistive touchscreens | 22:58 |
| lardman|tv | qwerty12_N810: well, we'll see | 22:58 |
| Luke-Jr | maybe we can even port it to N8x0 | 22:58 |
| lardman|tv | qwerty12_N810: I've moved to pay as you go now, in preparation for something else | 22:58 |
| RST38h | back | 22:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman|tv: I was being sarcastic, but... | 22:58 |
| RST38h | what have i missed? | 22:59 |
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| lardman|tv | anyway, must go back to the TV as no amount of enthusiasm will raise me from the dead when my wife kills me for ignoring her all evening ;) | 22:59 |
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| fiferboy | In the text of his article he says 1500 mAh battery, but the picture shows a 1350 mAh battery... | 23:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, Nokia Maps wont pull addresses from Contacts? | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman|tv: XChat exists on Maemo for a reason ;) | 23:00 |
| RST38h | so he was wrong bite him | 23:00 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Will that get me his NXX? | 23:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe Maps doesn't support landscape, either. | 23:01 |
| fiferboy | Just wondering which is right - I assume the picture unless it is showing a different battery | 23:01 |
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| RST38h | 1350 8s right | 23:02 |
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| Macer | blah | 23:02 |
| Proteous | maps on my n97 supports landscape | 23:03 |
| Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: where have you read it? | 23:03 |
| fwrnando | don't you mean it doesn't support portrait? cause there's a landscape screenshot of maps | 23:03 |
| Proteous | although the built in compass gets confused when it is inside my car and close to the dashboard | 23:03 |
| RST38h | maps screenshot indicaztes otherwise | 23:04 |
| RST38h | (while n810 kbd sucks moose balls) | 23:04 |
| Proteous | it's too bad they didn't make the screen tilt like the n97, it's really nice | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | less reliable though | 23:05 |
| Proteous | although the n900 is a bit bigger, probably harder to make strong | 23:05 |
| Proteous | yeah | 23:05 |
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| Macer | blah | 23:05 |
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| Macer | no pipe on n810 qwerty | 23:05 |
| Macer | wtf nokia | 23:05 |
| Vulcanis | people have bound it to capslock I think | 23:06 |
| Macer | no pipe?! | 23:06 |
| fwrnando | they're going consumer oriented with maemo | 23:06 |
| RST38h | ok mujrtazin promises more data on upcoming maemo models in 3 days | 23:06 |
| Macer | mujrtazin? | 23:06 |
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| Proteous | screw pipe, give me alt and ctrl to control screen and irssi | 23:06 |
| Macer | is that the mole? | 23:06 |
| Macer | haha | 23:06 |
| RST38h | macerḠnokia is antidrugs | 23:07 |
| Macer | Proteous: there is alt and ctrl | 23:07 |
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| RST38h | ok, i am giving up on n810 kbd | 23:07 |
| Macer | lol | 23:08 |
| Macer | why? it isnt too bad | 23:08 |
| wazd | ok, you can install to the 32gb part :) | 23:08 |
| GAN800 | Andy80, 5800 Maps. | 23:08 |
| Macer | wazd: from what it seems the n900 will have more than enough power to be a laptop | 23:09 |
| RST38h | he says 3 maemo devices are in the pipeline | 23:09 |
| Macer | as long as there is kb support | 23:09 |
| wazd | he doesn't know what's that window | 23:09 |
| zakkm | *waits for the $100 tablet :P" | 23:09 |
| Macer | bt or otherwise | 23:09 |
| wazd | can't look at it now | 23:10 |
| Macer | zakkm: that is the n810 ihn a few months | 23:10 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: osso-af-startup says that only RX-51 has internal MMC. Maybe it will get updated though... | 23:10 |
| zakkm | :D ima buy it then | 23:10 |
| zakkm | wish i can sell my n800 now though :) | 23:10 |
| Macer | although on amazon the wimax ver is going for 1200 | 23:10 |
| Macer | lol | 23:10 |
| Macer | give it to Stskeeps | 23:10 |
| RST38h | also, an interesting detail on iphone in the comments: it appears that some iphone owners have to operate it with their noses in winter (hands in mittens) | 23:10 |
| GAN800 | N97 buyers are going to feel like such douches at €550. | 23:10 |
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| Macer | thats what i did with mine ;) | 23:10 |
| zakkm | i need to sell it to buy my N810 for $100 in a few months. | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: iphone's won't go well with finns | 23:11 |
| Macer | GAN800: haha | 23:11 |
| Macer | n97 has a nice cam? | 23:11 |
| Macer | like the n95? | 23:11 |
| RST38h | qwerty: imho external mmc is sufficient | 23:11 |
| Macer | n98 will prolly do 1080 | 23:12 |
| Jaffa | What's the retail price of an unlocked N97? | 23:12 |
| RST38h | "nice cam" and "cell phone" are incompatible :] | 23:12 |
| Macer | RST38h: depends | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: agreed, but it does make one wonder what else may be gone :) (if that osso-af-startup is current) | 23:12 |
| Macer | i LOVED my n95 cam | 23:12 |
| Macer | replaced my camcorder | 23:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://img.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/idioteka/i/4192B814-0F6F-460A-B50D-D33029102447.jpg | 23:13 |
| wazd | lawlomgrofl | 23:13 |
| Macer | i have a young son tho | 23:13 |
| Macer | had something to record | 23:13 |
| fwrnando | the N95 camera was great | 23:13 |
| Macer | and who knows, you mightg be witness to a major event | 23:13 |
| fwrnando | haven't tried a N97 yet, but it seems to be the same quality | 23:14 |
| fwrnando | (except video recording) | 23:14 |
| Macer | with dvd quality proof on your phone | 23:14 |
| Macer | haha | 23:14 |
| RST38h | qwerty: there is a limited set of things that can be gone | 23:14 |
| Macer | no video?? | 23:14 |
| Macer | fail | 23:14 |
| fwrnando | if RX-51 gets the same camera as the N95 I'll be happy | 23:14 |
| fwrnando | no, it has video, but sound is muffled or something | 23:14 |
| fwrnando | (from what I've read!) | 23:14 |
| Macer | fwrnando: doubtful | 23:14 |
| Andy80 | hey!!! | 23:14 |
| Macer | oh | 23:14 |
| Andy80 | one moment! | 23:14 |
| Macer | n95 was awesome | 23:14 |
| Macer | i miss mine | 23:15 |
| Andy80 | I cannot see the most importan feature! | 23:15 |
| fwrnando | still have mine here :P | 23:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: fallic cookies! | 23:15 |
| Andy80 | where is COPY-PASTE?!?!?! | 23:15 |
| Andy80 | :D | 23:15 |
| Macer | have a g1 now | 23:15 |
| RST38h | yummy | 23:15 |
| Macer | i wanted to blow up att | 23:15 |
| fwrnando | eldar mentioned in his twitter he can copy paste from the browser | 23:15 |
| Macer | had to switch because they became major fail on quality | 23:15 |
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| Macer | bbl | 23:15 |
| fwrnando | have a 5800 currently, on a prepaid AT&T sim | 23:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Andy80: the X Terminal, at least, exposes copy in the menu when you highlight something :) | 23:15 |
| RST38h | macer: a worthy goal, do you know where their cables are? =) | 23:16 |
| wazd | Andy80: Eldar told that it's everywhere :) | 23:16 |
| Proteous | they said that it has the same camera as the n97, which is amazing IMHO | 23:16 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvH-cRvmHT0 | 23:16 |
| wazd | n97 video example | 23:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Proteous: planning to switch? :) | 23:17 |
| mavhc | I mostly bought an n810 because it's half the price of smartphones | 23:17 |
| fiferboy | wazd: I was SURE that was going to be a rickroll | 23:17 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qTtmSKvNU | 23:18 |
| wazd | fiferboy: hah :) | 23:18 |
| fwrnando | aren't we above rickrolls? :P | 23:18 |
| Andy80 | btw: why the Bookmark screenshot displays "maemo.nokia.com" :P ? | 23:18 |
| wazd | another video with mode descent sound | 23:18 |
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| fwrnando | hm, if I had some N95 videos uploaded | 23:18 |
| fwrnando | recorded a concert with mine last year or so, sounds brilliant | 23:18 |
| kfx | I found a pretty enlightening QT development strategy video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIa0frPVGLQ | 23:19 |
| Proteous | qwerty12_N810: possibly... :) | 23:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | heh :) | 23:19 |
| Proteous | I love my n97, but I would love it more if the processor wasn't so slow... | 23:19 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWVZ7tkXWQ <- that is quite impressive anyway | 23:19 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, Future Maemo website | 23:20 |
| fwrnando | yeah, samsung is beating nokia lately :( | 23:20 |
| fwrnando | hope the cortex a8 in the rx51 is a sign of things to come | 23:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm just glad that Maemo isn't a second-class citizen, behind Symbian anymore.. | 23:20 |
| wazd | fwrnando: well, 720p video with a phone is a bit overkill | 23:21 |
| wazd | fwrnando: especially with crappy mic and lens | 23:21 |
| fwrnando | the more pixels, the merrier, imho :P | 23:21 |
| mavhc | 1080p or it didn't happen | 23:21 |
| fwrnando | (as long as it doesn't impact batt life or storage) | 23:21 |
| wazd | fwrnando: it impacts battery very hard | 23:21 |
| RST38h | they should add display and camera resolution for the marketing brochures =) | 23:21 |
| wazd | fwrnando: Omnia HD can shgoot 720p for 40 minutes or so :) | 23:22 |
| krzysz00 | is it possible to cross-compile for the nokia without scratchbox? | 23:22 |
| fwrnando | ouch | 23:22 |
| RST38h | krzys: yes | 23:22 |
| GAN800 | Andy80, Tableteer replacement. | 23:22 |
| mavhc | if you're bringing out a new phone and it doesn't do 4k video you're wasting your time | 23:22 |
| krzysz00 | just need an armel compiler, right? | 23:22 |
| RST38h | but with a lot of work | 23:22 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, bastard son of Nokia, ehheh | 23:22 |
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| RST38h | yes, you will have to set up a toolchain | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: "I told you to have it aborted!" :p | 23:23 |
| VDVsx | lol | 23:23 |
| krzysz00 | wait, is there imagemagick for scratchbox | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | murtazin says there are more input methods, external ones | 23:26 |
| javispedro | every time I read engadget "how bad we feel about the resistive screen" I feel sick | 23:27 |
| fwrnando | reading engadget news about nokia is sickening, period :P | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Does he mention anything about handwriting? (Not that I care, personally, my handwriting is God-awful...) | 23:27 |
| fwrnando | and I wonder what he meant by that | 23:27 |
| javispedro | i'm sure there's someone at nokia marketing yelling "why dont we have a capacitative-wha-his-name thingie" | 23:27 |
| fwrnando | did he try a bt keyboard? | 23:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: he does not | 23:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah, right, thanks | 23:28 |
| fwrnando | I want to believe the whole "resistive is a must for asian language input" thingy | 23:28 |
| fwrnando | but it's getting hard :P | 23:28 |
| RST38h | but it is true | 23:29 |
| RST38h | you have to have good resolution for handwriting | 23:29 |
| fwrnando | a friend has an ipod touch, and from the couple chinese characters I knew that I tried to input, they were recognized fine | 23:30 |
| fwrnando | of course my finger in the way was kind of a nuisance | 23:30 |
| fwrnando | oh, quick question, by the way | 23:31 |
| fwrnando | can you install additional fonts for the web browser to maemo easily? | 23:31 |
| fwrnando | S60 renders everything with Nokia's sans-serif, which is... not cool | 23:31 |
| javispedro | microb does not in diablo. | 23:32 |
| fwrnando | I see :( | 23:32 |
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| javispedro | i mean it does not render everything in nokia sans | 23:32 |
| javispedro | i guess is uses standard freetype config&file locations | 23:33 |
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| fwrnando | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr31.jpg looks like it's using arial | 23:33 |
| zakkm | fwrnando: or it could just be reading what the website specifies for font, rather than browser defaults. | 23:33 |
| fwrnando | mobile-review's css asks for Verdana | 23:34 |
| lcuk | maybe thats simply not specifically available | 23:34 |
| javispedro | but you can install it | 23:34 |
| lcuk | looks to have done a decent job renderin tho | 23:34 |
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| fwrnando | font management is something people usually don't care about | 23:35 |
| fwrnando | but who knows | 23:35 |
| javispedro | wtf of course it's done a great job, it's microb. | 23:35 |
| javispedro | it may be slow but gets the job done | 23:35 |
| fwrnando | I also wonder about multiple languages support | 23:35 |
| fwrnando | can maemo currently display east asian, hebrew, cyrillic etc out of the box? | 23:36 |
| fwrnando | (my only maemo experiences was playing with a couple N810s on a Nokia store, sorry :P) | 23:36 |
| javispedro | fwrnando, give me a test page | 23:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Diablo comes with a Chinese font by default | 23:36 |
| fwrnando | hm, second | 23:36 |
| krzysz00 | can i get imagemagick in scratchbox arm | 23:37 |
| fwrnando | javispedro: http://idn.icann.org/ | 23:37 |
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| fwrnando | specifically The example.test names, tell me how many display | 23:37 |
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| javispedro | i see chinese, greek, japanese and russian | 23:38 |
| javispedro | the rest are the usual pango white boxes | 23:39 |
| fwrnando | hm, not optimal, but way better than what I have in S60 | 23:39 |
| fwrnando | thanks :) | 23:39 |
| javispedro | maemo is gtk | 23:39 |
| javispedro | whatever you can do in desktop gnome you can do in device | 23:39 |
| javispedro | (with more or less effort :P) | 23:40 |
| fwrnando | haha, as long as it gives me the opportunity, I'm happy with it | 23:40 |
| fwrnando | (had to do some weird font modification to get japanese on my 5800 while keeping nokia sans) | 23:41 |
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| javispedro | fwrnando, http://depot.javispedro.com/fonts.png | 23:47 |
| fwrnando | ooh, thanks | 23:47 |
| roope | oh. | 23:48 |
| javispedro | everything done from the device, it rules :) | 23:48 |
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| fwrnando | I wish my 5800 had enough ram to do the same :P | 23:48 |
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| fwrnando | http://www.fwrnando.com/files/SuperScreenshot0117.png after some hacking, on my 5800 | 23:52 |
| fwrnando | even so, they look so bad at 100% zoom :( | 23:53 |
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| bstock | so, anyone know yet if the new maemo will run on earlier tablets, like the n810? | 23:55 |
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| ShadowJK | bstock, it will not | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | It would be too slow | 23:57 |
| zakkm | there should be a non animated port :P | 23:57 |
| zakkm | like static | 23:57 |
| bstock | yeah that'd be nice | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | The new tablet has hardware 3D acceleration and about twice the CPU power | 23:57 |
| zakkm | twice, isnt it more than twice? | 23:57 |
| zakkm | twice doesnt seem right | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, more than twice | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | depending on what you do | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | it's a bit of an apples vs oranges comparison | 23:58 |
| zakkm | but cpu power itself | 23:58 |
| bstock | completely different processor too | 23:58 |
| zakkm | pureprocessing | 23:59 |
| javispedro | since flash is as-usual slow, i guess only "twice" enough | 23:59 |
| zakkm | its more than twice im suree ofit | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | zakkm, yes even there | 23:59 |
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