| michaelm | it has never worked | 00:00 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Buy EU then. =) No tool (publically) exists to change the information saying that your tablet is an US one. When your tablet starts up, it runs a program that sets the channel information based on what the tablet's region is | 00:00 |
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| michaelm | is there a way to adjust that ? so that it includes Japan? | 00:01 |
| mardi__ | anyone else tempted by the expansys £130 for N810 deal? | 00:01 |
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| woglinde | mardi__ hm you get an omap3 board for this money | 00:12 |
| mardi__ | good point | 00:12 |
| zerojay | Wish people wouldn't smoke in bus shelters, ugh. | 00:13 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Wish people wouldn't smoke anywhere. :( | 00:13 |
| zerojay | Yeah, that too. | 00:14 |
| zerojay | Just makes the wait that much worse. | 00:14 |
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| gogol | urg dbus. how to start and stop applications with it, anyone? | 00:22 |
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| alterego | If I had a penny :) | 00:22 |
| gogol | i want to restart fring when n810 connects to a new network...but it's all guesswork because there's no documentation on the calls i can find. | 00:23 |
| alterego | source? | 00:23 |
| zerojay | Closed | 00:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Use conler and a python script which'll do the osso_rpc call | 00:24 |
| gogol | conler only works for wlan | 00:24 |
| gogol | :/ | 00:24 |
| gogol | wanna do bt too. | 00:25 |
| zerojay | I have to do the same thing with mauku. | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | dbus-scripts is pretty generic | 00:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (should be in extras) | 00:25 |
| gogol | yeah i have it but can;t grok it. i dont know where to start. | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I don't have my phone tethered to the N810 but running dbus-monitor before your connecting your phone should tell you what events you need to look for | 00:26 |
| gogol | i'll give that another shot. appreciate your insight thanks :) | 00:29 |
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| gogol | funny you can't ctrl-c dbus-monitor. == dbus-monitor >> file &; tail -f file. goofy. | 00:40 |
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| gogol | zerojay, how do you accomplish it w/ mauku? or is it wlan and conler? | 00:43 |
| zerojay | Manually. | 00:44 |
| zerojay | Quit and relaunch after reconnect | 00:45 |
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| * z4chh chews on his stylus | 00:50 | |
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| gogol | ^^ the disgusting issue with buying a used tablet | 00:51 |
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| gogol | stylus all toothmarked, yech | 00:51 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/nokia-and-microsoft-to-announce-an-alliance-tomorrow-what/ | 00:52 |
| wazd | lawlz | 00:52 |
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| javispedro | I knew it! | 00:53 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Harmattan will not exist. WinMo will take its place. | 00:53 |
| javispedro | Tell us Maemo is going to be the revolutionary OS that will bring them all under one dark lord. | 00:53 |
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| VDVsx | OMG | 00:53 |
| javispedro | then stab us in the back and use WinMO!! | 00:53 |
| * javispedro goes to check when the stabbing is in his local timezone... | 00:54 | |
| wazd | damn, zune HD Ui is pretty cool | 00:55 |
| javispedro | heh. So now Qt will allow devs to target Symbian, WinMo and Maemo | 00:55 |
| wazd | I like that "press" style | 00:55 |
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| * javispedro catches his half-empty popcorn bag again and goes to tmo | 00:56 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | First Intel, and now Microshit. | 00:58 |
| javispedro | yes! Nokia is going to be as slashdot-hated as Novell. | 00:58 |
| javispedro | ;) | 00:58 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/zune-hd-video-hands-on-chock-full-of-media-edition/ | 00:58 |
| wazd | damn, that's really fresh UI! | 00:59 |
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| javispedro | "Those menu shots look amazing though. They really reveal the power behind that Tegra. Woooeeee." they haven't seen liqbase | 01:00 |
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| wazd | javispedro: in fact theres not so much horsepower and shader effects as just plain sytle work | 01:03 |
| woglinde | but thats not windwos mobil | 01:04 |
| johnsq | simple bitmap as background does the same job | 01:04 |
| javispedro | well, they have loads of fluid kinetic scrolling | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | but to say that is due to "Tegra's power" is... | 01:05 |
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| wazd | woglinde: no, but htat prooves that Redmond guys can make sexy stuff too :) | 01:07 |
| javispedro | any bets which kind of bad news will come from that microsoft nokia "announcement"? :) | 01:07 |
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| coldboot | What announcement? | 01:07 |
| wazd | javispedro: "Hello. We hate each other. Goodbye." | 01:07 |
| lcuk | they put a LOT of thought into who was presenting that | 01:08 |
| lcuk | wazd, you notice he had long nails | 01:08 |
| javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/nokia-and-microsoft-to-announce-an-alliance-tomorrow-what/ | 01:08 |
| lcuk | he was using a finger stylus :) | 01:08 |
| wazd | lcuk: I was hypnotised with UI :) | 01:08 |
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| wazd | lcuk: it has capacitive screen, multitouch | 01:08 |
| wazd | lcuk: so no nails alllowed :) | 01:09 |
| lcuk | the guy is using his nail | 01:09 |
| wazd | Damn, maybe I should buy this Zune just to look at the UI :D | 01:09 |
| wazd | L love that multi-layer pop-art style | 01:10 |
| woglinde | *g* | 01:10 |
| wazd | lcuk: it's capacitive ts | 01:11 |
| wazd | lcuk: nothing but finger will work | 01:11 |
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| javispedro | lol | 01:12 |
| javispedro | engadget: "The creation of MaeWinMo?" | 01:12 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, in some proportions it would be great :) | 01:13 |
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| javispedro | as probable as an announcement telling us they've built a time machine and are using it to bring Fred Flintsone back to the future. | 01:14 |
| woglinde | hm maybee qt wince | 01:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Pocket IE sucked more ass than MicroB (and that's saying something) | 01:14 |
| jaska | haha | 01:14 |
| javispedro | woglinde, that'd be my guess too | 01:14 |
| jaska | i was just about to suggest pocket ie for maemo | 01:14 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:14 |
| woglinde | maybee the zune is using wince qt | 01:15 |
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| javispedro | or maybe they're going to do what vmware did and dual boot wince and maemo on the n800 ;) | 01:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Do Nokia really wish to be associated with http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6KoPNrNgNVc/Rm9gDeb4kdI/AAAAAAAAAJU/bJAFybQ68q8/s1600-h/billagram2.gif | 01:17 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, oh my : http://www.indypendent.org/2009/07/23/bacon-as-weapon/?cat=906 | 01:27 |
| javispedro | a standard joke in the restaurant chain industry goes, “When in doubt, throw cheese and bacon on it.” | 01:28 |
| javispedro | :D | 01:28 |
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| VDVsx | ehhe | 01:31 |
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| zerojayPC | Pop quiz: screenshot tool? | 01:33 |
| gogol | scrot | 01:34 |
| gogol | what do i win | 01:34 |
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| zerojayPC | scrot? | 01:34 |
| gogol | lol | 01:34 |
| gogol | true! | 01:34 |
| gogol | prb not on tablets, but... | 01:35 |
| zerojayPC | ... | 01:35 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 01:35 |
| javispedro | ladies and gentleman, tmo thread about the "announcement" is now open! | 01:35 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=310994 | 01:35 |
| gogol | fn-prtsc on xp! mspaint.exe! ctrl-v! | 01:35 |
| gogol | ftw! | 01:35 |
| gogol | <---toaster oven! | 01:36 |
| zerojayPC | That's pretty helpful for taking screenshots of the tablet. ;) | 01:36 |
| gogol | rofl | 01:36 |
| gogol | eh, advanced cpu mon or whatev | 01:36 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has a fondness for the load-applet, available in Extras | 01:36 | |
| gogol | whiskey makes these things hard to remember | 01:37 |
| gogol | that's the one | 01:37 |
| zerojayPC | I could have sworn there was a small little dedicated app for it. Hm. | 01:37 |
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| * gogol goes to check scrot on debian armel... | 01:38 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | A standalone, command line one is the maemo-screenshot-tool, I believe, and a standalone GUI one would be the mh-shot-tool | 01:38 |
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| zerojayPC | Which I cannot find. Um. | 01:39 |
| zerojayPC | :/ | 01:39 |
| zerojayPC | load-applet should be good enough for the moment anyways. | 01:40 |
| zerojayPC | Thanks. | 01:40 |
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| johnsq | i use xuwd on normal systems | 01:41 |
| johnsq | s/xuwd/xwud | 01:41 |
| zerojayPC | Stskeeps: Say something. | 01:41 |
| gogol | is it bad form to force debian armel packages to install? | 01:41 |
| gogol | im sure it is. | 01:42 |
| gogol | they work fine, however. probably half what ive installed has been in this fashion. | 01:42 |
| zerojayPC | oh boy. | 01:42 |
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| gogol | :) | 01:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | scrot compiles cleanly in a scratchbox anyway. I used to use it when I butchered hildon-desktop to run it when pressing F6 | 01:43 |
| gogol | nice | 01:43 |
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| gogol | ive recently sold out and went back to a butchered xp as main os. cant really do scratchbox anymore... | 01:43 |
| zerojayPC | Wow. | 01:44 |
| gogol | now that im back wanting to compile things it _hurts_ | 01:44 |
| zerojayPC | I can't even fathom going back to Windows. | 01:44 |
| zerojayPC | It's been... almost.. damn, almost 10 years now. | 01:44 |
| * lcuk never left | 01:44 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | I did the same (Ubuntu -> XP (getting WiFi working was a PITA) but I just fire up VMware | 01:44 |
| gogol | makes sense when you want to play games and such. when you want your life to be easy. | 01:45 |
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| zerojayPC | Funny, I find it much easier on the Linux side. | 01:45 |
| johnsq | gogol: windows and easy *lol* | 01:45 |
| gogol | you think? | 01:45 |
| zerojayPC | Sure. | 01:45 |
| gogol | depends on your hardware i guess | 01:45 |
| zerojayPC | Old as shit. | 01:45 |
| zerojayPC | lol | 01:45 |
| zerojayPC | The next tablet will run rings around my current home PC. | 01:46 |
| zerojayPC | And I really can't see myself ever buying another PC ever again anyways. | 01:46 |
| zerojayPC | Or any desktop/laptop. | 01:47 |
| gogol | well i spent two years getting a 233mhz dell to run damnsmalllinux. the wireless adapter was the worst. and there was always something that needed me to write some bash or perl to get it to work. | 01:47 |
| zerojayPC | Never had that issue. | 01:47 |
| gogol | sometimes you get sick of hacking and just want it to fsking WORK already. | 01:47 |
| zerojayPC | Everything I had worked straight out of the box without even needing to compile a kernel module, period. | 01:48 |
| zerojayPC | Made a lot of my Windows friends jealous. | 01:48 |
| gogol | nicer hardware i assume..? | 01:48 |
| gogol | mine was worth maybe 20 bux on ebay | 01:48 |
| zerojayPC | Better than a 233mhz dell, sure. ;) | 01:48 |
| gogol | shucks, i be POOR | 01:48 |
| * gogol paid for the n810 washing dishes! | 01:49 | |
| zerojayPC | I paid for it by getting the developer discount and then waiting a year before the code would finally WORK. | 01:49 |
| gogol | i envy you. | 01:50 |
| zerojayPC | After almost a full year, I got a package in the mail from Quim.. a N810 free to make up for the whole problem with the developer discount code not working for 10 months. | 01:50 |
| zerojayPC | And I sold my N800 right when I got my discount code for the N810. | 01:50 |
| zerojayPC | So I was almost a year without a tablet at all. | 01:51 |
| zerojayPC | So no... don't envy me. lol | 01:51 |
| gogol | id love to go to school and study. hope y'all appreciate your uber lifestyles of the awesome and nerdy | 01:51 |
| gogol | or fly out to amsterdam or whereever for the maemo con | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | I'd love to do that, but I doubt I'd get sponsored. | 01:52 |
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| gogol | sounds like a blast, a whole building full of nerds with NITs! | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | Hell yeah. | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | Sure does sound like a great time. | 01:52 |
| gogol | MITM central! | 01:52 |
| gogol | lol | 01:52 |
| zerojayPC | I'm not sure I would be able to go anyways... gotta present a demo to Ubisoft around that time so... | 01:53 |
| zerojayPC | Just hope there will be plenty of liveblogging going on. | 01:53 |
| gogol | sure there will, sigh | 01:54 |
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| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Hahaha. | 01:55 |
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| woglinde | good nite | 01:56 |
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| mmu_screen | plop | 02:03 |
| mmu_screen | is it normal git takes ages to clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/qemu ? | 02:03 |
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| mmu_screen | damn, can't even get a snapshot :-( | 02:08 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Snapshot works here. BTW, are you mmu_man? | 02:11 |
| mmu_screen | I am | 02:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Your work is awesome :) | 02:12 |
| mmu_screen | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=qemu;a=snapshot;h=HEAD;sf=tgz I just an html with the menu | 02:12 |
| mmu_screen | thx :p | 02:13 |
| zerojayPC | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/nokia-and-microsoft-to-announce-an-alliance-tomorrow-what/comments/20825508/ <-- someone forgot to take his pill today. | 02:13 |
| mmu_screen | at least I'm the only one mmu_man I know :p | 02:13 |
| lcuk | mmu_screen, appears as though there is a glitch if you access snapshots via garage git pages | 02:13 |
| lcuk | we noticed yesterday if you use git.maemo.org | 02:14 |
| lcuk | and find the project | 02:14 |
| lcuk | the snapshot worked | 02:14 |
| lcuk | might be same problem | 02:14 |
| mmu_screen | ah ok thx | 02:14 |
| mmu_screen | indeed | 02:15 |
| mmu_screen | works there | 02:15 |
| * lcuk nods | 02:15 | |
| * lcuk submerges again | 02:15 | |
| Macer | blah | 02:17 |
| Macer | still editing this blog article | 02:17 |
| Macer | this shit is going to take a week to write | 02:17 |
| Macer | and i haven't even gotten to the juicy stuff yet heh | 02:18 |
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| zerojayPC | I'm sitting here waiting for certain people to start talking so I can attempt to reproduce a bug. | 02:19 |
| Macer | uhm | 02:19 |
| zerojayPC | Yes, an IRC plugin bug that won't be fixed, but hey. | 02:19 |
| Macer | and irc plugin in what? | 02:20 |
| Macer | microb? | 02:20 |
| zerojayPC | No. | 02:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You're crazy for not using a real client :P | 02:20 |
| zerojayPC | The telepathy-idle IRC plugin for Maemo. | 02:20 |
| Macer | oh | 02:20 |
| Macer | never used telepathy | 02:20 |
| Macer | :) | 02:20 |
| zerojayPC | qwerty12_N810: I prefer the integration. :) | 02:20 |
| Macer | not for irc at least | 02:21 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: heh. i'm usually the same way | 02:21 |
| Macer | didn't know there was a plugin for it ;) | 02:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, fair enough :) | 02:21 |
| zerojayPC | It's in RTCOMM. | 02:21 |
| Macer | what does it do? | 02:21 |
| zerojayPC | The plugin? | 02:21 |
| Macer | crash when someone with ` in their name sends something onto irc? | 02:22 |
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| * Macer stares at lbt | 02:22 | |
| Macer | haha | 02:22 |
| Macer | ` ` ` ` ` ` | 02:22 |
| zerojayPC | No... for some reason, certain people's names just don't show up when they talk. | 02:22 |
| zerojayPC | For example, Stskeeps. | 02:22 |
| Macer | heh | 02:22 |
| Macer | are you sure it's not a font color thing? ;) | 02:22 |
| zerojayPC | All of his messages to the channel appear as channel events and don't have his name prefixed, so you can't tell who is saying what. | 02:23 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: 100% sure. :) | 02:23 |
| Macer | lol | 02:23 |
| Macer | ok. just checking | 02:23 |
| Macer | like maybe everybody who starts with "S" uses a white font and you have a white background | 02:23 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:23 |
| Macer | or maybe the app uses random coloring for different nicks | 02:24 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, it's not like that. There's just no text for his name written at all... no blank empty space either. | 02:24 |
| Macer | in order to keep things seperated | 02:24 |
| zerojayPC | Nope. | 02:24 |
| Macer | oh | 02:24 |
| Macer | yeah that is odd | 02:24 |
| Macer | maybe he has some odd ascii character in his nick that nobody knows about | 02:24 |
| Macer | what's the name of the app? | 02:24 |
| zerojayPC | I was seeing it last night and I neglected to take a screenshot, so I'm sitting here just waiting for him or someone else to talk. | 02:24 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: It's just the default internet chat program. | 02:24 |
| Macer | can i install it from application manager? i'll do that and see if i can reproduce it | 02:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Maybe it dislikes Danes =) | 02:25 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: well. he'll be a pole soon | 02:25 |
| Macer | :) | 02:25 |
| zerojayPC | Me too. Especially that Claire Danes. | 02:25 |
| Macer | so i'm sure it has something to do with that | 02:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 02:25 |
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| Macer | zerojayPC: hm. where do i find the plugin? | 02:25 |
| zerojayPC | RTCOMM. | 02:25 |
| zerojayPC | The installer is in extras, I think. | 02:26 |
| Macer | and what's the installer called? | 02:26 |
| Macer | just irc plugin? | 02:26 |
| zerojayPC | RTCOMM Installer Beta, I believe. | 02:27 |
| zerojayPC | Installs other plugins as well, such as MSN support. | 02:27 |
| Macer | not seeing it ;) | 02:27 |
| zerojayPC | Nice having that integration without needing Pidgin. | 02:27 |
| Macer | and i have all the repositories | 02:27 |
| zerojayPC | Oh, there's another repo for that maybe. | 02:28 |
| Macer | rtcom-beta-os2008? | 02:28 |
| zerojayPC | check out http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org I think. | 02:28 |
| zerojayPC | The repo might be there. | 02:28 |
| Macer | k | 02:29 |
| zerojayPC | rtcomm-beta-installer | 02:29 |
| zerojayPC | v0.7 | 02:29 |
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| zerojayPC | Looks like the Nokia/Microsoft thing is an announcement for Office coming to Nokia phones. | 02:31 |
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| zerojayPC | GAN800: Hey.. say something quick. | 02:33 |
| Macer | it's trying to install teh installer now | 02:33 |
| Macer | installing an installer hah | 02:33 |
| zerojayPC | Read the warnings on the RTCOMM site, by the way. | 02:34 |
| Macer | uh oh | 02:34 |
| Macer | lol | 02:34 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps uses irssi BTW, if that helps | 02:35 |
| Macer | lol | 02:35 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: 80% of irc does | 02:35 |
| Macer | zerojayPC: but i'd like the point out that it is beta ;) | 02:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh | 02:36 |
| lcuk | the other 40% still use microsoft excell to chat in irc | 02:36 |
| Macer | it's right in teh pkg name | 02:36 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, quick! | 02:36 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 uses netcat | 02:36 | |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: Thanks. Helped me find another bug that won't be fixed. ;) | 02:36 |
| GAN800 | Wooo! | 02:36 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, it's all about keeping score now. :D | 02:37 |
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| GAN800 | Gotta have a number we can parade out. ;) | 02:37 |
| zerojayPC | On my PC, I saw you join and it showed your name as "GAN800"... tablet said it was "gan800" in lowercase.. but uppercase when you spoke. | 02:37 |
| zerojayPC | Not hard to see I used to do QA work, is it? :/ | 02:37 |
| Macer | ok | 02:39 |
| Macer | how do i join a # ;) | 02:39 |
| Macer | it is connected to freenode now. do i just add a # as a contact or something? | 02:39 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, I learned to do QA work thanks to Maemo. :( | 02:39 |
| zerojayPC | Macer: choose "New Chat" from the contacts menu. | 02:39 |
| zerojayPC | In the window that comes up, choose the "Join Chat Room" from the File menu or similar. | 02:40 |
| zerojayPC | Select the IRC account, then type in the chatroom name #maemo. | 02:40 |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: Granted, doing QA work on games is slightly different than the tablets, but eh.. | 02:40 |
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| MaceN810 | wow | 02:40 |
| MaceN810 | that is a lot of steps for irc | 02:40 |
| MaceN810 | heh | 02:41 |
| zerojayPC | Heh.. it showed your name as "maceN810" on my tablet when you joined. | 02:41 |
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| GAN800 | zerojayPC, I sometimes think about testing games like Oblivion while playing. . . . | 02:41 |
| GAN800 | I'd kill myself, I think. | 02:41 |
| MaceN810 | shouldnt it? | 02:41 |
| zerojayPC | It's definitely not what most people expect it to be. | 02:41 |
| zerojayPC | MaceN810: No, it should be "MaceN810". | 02:41 |
| MaceN810 | er | 02:42 |
| MaceN810 | well | 02:42 |
| MaceN810 | hold on. need su8w | 02:42 |
| zerojayPC | Poor Andre... he's going to grow to hate me and my pickiness. :) | 02:42 |
| GAN800 | The number of combinations you have to test for for one simple mission. . . . | 02:42 |
| GAN800 | No thanks. | 02:42 |
| andre___ | zerojayPC, not at all :) | 02:42 |
| MaceN810 | well | 02:42 |
| MaceN810 | hav to disable the sound for this | 02:42 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, buy him a beer at the Summit and all will be well. | 02:42 |
| MaceN810 | haha | 02:42 |
| zerojayPC | andre___: Good. ;) | 02:43 |
| MaceN810 | that chirping would drive me crazy | 02:43 |
| andre___ | but i take the beer, yeah :-P | 02:43 |
| MaceN810 | but this is pretty nice zerojayPC | 02:43 |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: Would if I could, but I doubt I'll be out there to give it to him. :) | 02:43 |
| MaceN810 | i like the integration too | 02:43 |
| MaceN810 | :) | 02:43 |
| zerojayPC | MaceN810: Yeah, it's simple, but it works. It's not bad. | 02:43 |
| MaceN810 | but the noise | 02:43 |
| MaceN810 | i need to find out where to disable that | 02:43 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, you apply for sponsorship? | 02:43 |
| MaceN810 | heh | 02:43 |
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| zerojayPC | GAN800: No, I haven't. I haven't really been around the community all that much recently, so I don't think I'd feel right taking it from someone else that's been more deserving. | 02:44 |
| MaceN810 | ooooooook | 02:44 |
| zerojayPC | But we'll see. | 02:44 |
| MaceN810 | that's better | 02:44 |
| MaceN810 | heh | 02:44 |
| zerojayPC | Maybe I'll apply anyways. | 02:44 |
| MaceN810 | yah.. this is way better than xchat ;) | 02:44 |
| MaceN810 | zerojayPC, thanks | 02:44 |
| MaceN810 | now let's see if these names disappear | 02:45 |
| MaceN810 | where's sts when you need him? | 02:45 |
| GAN800 | zerojayPC, do. | 02:45 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah, think I will. | 02:45 |
| zerojayPC | Better apply for my passport then, eh? lol | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | Since if I have any say in it (and I might just ;)) I'd definitely approve. | 02:46 |
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| GAN800 | Yeah, me too. . . . | 02:46 |
| zerojayPC | Thanks, I appreciate hearing that. | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | Hopefully Nokia doesn't screw you over again. :D | 02:46 |
| GAN800 | They're going to book tickets for you in pengunbait's name or something. | 02:47 |
| GAN800 | Holy fuck. | 02:48 |
| GAN800 | Scientology commercials now. . . . | 02:48 |
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| MaceN810 | hm | 02:49 |
| MaceN810 | still seeing names | 02:49 |
| MaceN810 | maybe it was a fluke ;) | 02:49 |
| zerojayPC | Maybe. | 02:51 |
| zerojayPC | Gotta wait for the big names to start talking. | 02:51 |
| zerojayPC | Maybe they were ops at the time.. dunno. | 02:51 |
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| zerojayPC | There's definitely something screwy though. | 02:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, which of my bitter trollings were you laughing at today? ;) | 02:52 |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Oh, the wonderful one towards the um.... "open source advocate". ;) | 02:52 |
| zerojayPC | Classic. | 02:52 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, dropping support for 4-year-old $4,000 machines is TOTALLY valid. | 02:56 |
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| zerojayPC | No, not that one.. the other message he left where he says "Nokia to abandon open source?" | 02:58 |
| zerojayPC | Moron, haha. | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, yeah, sorry, I understood, just moving on to another piece of Talk idiocy. ;) | 02:58 |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Oh, do link me. | 02:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=311019&postcount=40 | 02:59 |
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| zerojayPC | oh yeah. Heh. | 03:01 |
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| javispedro | "Mobile Office"? | 03:06 |
| zerojayPC | GAN800: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4905 - Consider yourself a star now. ;) | 03:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, :D | 03:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I'd counter with the karma page, but I'm just too lazy in my preening. ;) | 03:07 |
| javispedro | zerojay, that's some bug they might call a "feature" | 03:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs another product or something to jump out in front of Tim again. | 03:07 | |
| zerojayPC | javispedro: It's a feature that the nick is incorrect only in join messages for strings of capital letters at the start of someone's nick? :) | 03:07 |
| javispedro | clear intentional | 03:08 |
| javispedro | *clearly intentional | 03:08 |
| zerojayPC | Um.. alright. You'll have to explain that one to me. :) | 03:08 |
| javispedro | they were probably thinking in random msn users with ALLCAP nicks destroying that beautiful serenity of the builtin chat application | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Every bug is a feature in Maemo. | 03:08 |
| javispedro | ;) | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the rough edges that make us love it, right? | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh | 03:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Forgot about the 360 update today. | 03:09 |
| zerojayPC | Maemo would different if I was working over there. lol | 03:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, unlikely. | 03:09 |
| zerojayPC | Well... the rough edges would mostly already be gone anyways. ;) | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you're talking high enough up. ;) | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | We've got plenty of dedicated people in Maemo SW, but management seems (perhaps fatally) clueless. | 03:10 |
| zerojayPC | javispedro: Haha. | 03:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: No "Freemantle" bashing in your latest post? ;O | 03:10 |
| javispedro | with Maemo you're never bored. there's always something waiting for you to fix it. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's taken Ari waaay too long to start getting open source. . . . | 03:10 |
| javispedro | take that iphone! | 03:10 |
| zerojayPC | javispedro: Here I was thinking all the good stuff was already gone. ;) | 03:10 |
| javispedro | i could pass you a list ;) | 03:11 |
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| javispedro | due to my limited brain RAM it's only sized for one element | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, I'd try to correct people if a half-dozen idiots and trolls (YoDude at the forefront. . . .) didn't jump down my throat every time. | 03:11 |
| javispedro | actually: fix dead keys in QT | 03:11 |
| javispedro | (diablo) | 03:11 |
| javispedro | will probably give it a try when I get bored of mario kart | 03:11 |
| javispedro | :) | 03:11 |
| zerojayPC | Have them send me the new tablet... an emulator. I want to tear it apart and find all these stupid little bugs before it goes public. I don't like feeling embarrassed by this shit. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hypocrites are exciting. | 03:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Heh :\ | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, they're probably already in maintenance by now. | 03:12 |
| javispedro | haha | 03:12 |
| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, I know, and that bothers me. | 03:12 |
| javispedro | (true though :P) | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm ready to help timeless out with a replacement string set after release, though. | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, have you used his replacement strings? | 03:12 |
| zerojayPC | No, I hadn't heard about it at all until this past week. | 03:13 |
| zerojayPC | If there's someone I would trust doing that, it's him. | 03:13 |
| * qwerty12_N810 would install them again but they're US English. I can't comprehend US English :-( | 03:13 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, they're so much better. | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, make your own EN_gb shit, then. :P | 03:14 |
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| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: I don't doubt it. | 03:15 |
| pupnik | what was the simple way to set up a 770 on a stereo and stream audio to it | 03:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Haha, they'd almost certainly be worse or full of swearing | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, you happen to have a link around? | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, ping? | 03:15 |
| pupnik | probably redirecting through esd | 03:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: They should be in -devel | 03:15 |
| zerojayPC | Always feels like we're a few steps behind when it comes to stuff like that and I'm getting really annoyed by it. | 03:15 |
| zerojayPC | It may say Nokia on the hardware, but this whole thing is as much mine as theirs as far as I'm concerned... and I want in on being able to fix and file bugs ASAP. | 03:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19059 | 03:16 |
| * zerojayPC community pride! | 03:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, think those are old. | 03:16 |
| pupnik | nice find qwerty12_N810 | 03:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, he made newer ones? | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, yeah, if only that feeling were closer to reality in how things worked right now. :( | 03:17 |
| zerojayPC | Yeah... that's why I wanna push the localization of the strings being open ASAP. | 03:18 |
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| zerojayPC | And I hope more will follow. | 03:18 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | If he put out newer ones, they'd most likely be in: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/ (somewhere...) | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, sadly the strings are too confidential. | 03:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | msgunfmt anyone? | 03:20 |
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| zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Yes, we all know how important it is to keep "Are you sure you want to delete want to this email?" from the public. ;) | 03:21 |
| zerojayPC | I'm joking but yeah, I know what you mean. | 03:21 |
| pupnik | cats like string. | 03:23 |
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| pupnik | wonder if that's where 'cat' came from | 03:23 |
| zerojayPC | hah | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Netflix party viewing is genius. | 03:24 |
| javispedro | I assume they fear "Are you sure you want to enable the ultimate ray gun secretly present on our super-secret device every indonesia resident knows about?"-like strings | 03:25 |
| javispedro | but can't think of any like that in current diablo, so I guess you're right... | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, well, things relating to cellular voice. ;) | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or any of the other unannounced features. | 03:26 |
| zerojayPC | I'd sign an NDA. | 03:27 |
| * zerojayPC throws it on top of the pile of others. | 03:27 | |
| zerojayPC | But yeah. | 03:28 |
| * zerojayPC sigh. | 03:28 | |
| gogol___ | aghhgahghga | 03:29 |
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| gogol___ | ! | 03:30 |
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| gogol | gosh | 03:31 |
| gogol | irc makes wifi get down and suck it | 03:31 |
| gogol | jiggle tonsils for reconecting | 03:32 |
| gogol | suk nickserv till he blow | 03:33 |
| gogol | ok i should logout enuf whiskey to make ur mom sick. | 03:33 |
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| AStorm | poor guy... can't get proper wifi | 03:34 |
| AStorm | my home AP is weak in places too, I blame electrical wiring and door frames | 03:34 |
| AStorm | *electric actually | 03:35 |
| AStorm | and the cheapness of it, some DLink junk | 03:36 |
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| AStorm | as for the strings, I guess they're afraid that the feature set is out too soon | 03:37 |
| AStorm | like, say, their new GPS app, GSM app and so | 03:37 |
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| zerojayPC | What is the "Groups" part of the karma calculation? | 03:38 |
| zerojayPC | Where does that come from? What does it measure exactly? | 03:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, Garage projects. | 03:47 |
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| * javispedro wins 50cc mushroom cup in mario kart in his n810 | 03:51 | |
| javispedro | so it is definitely playable | 03:51 |
| pupnik | :) | 03:52 |
| zerojayPC | Win Special Cup on 150cc. Then you can tell me it's playable. ;) | 03:52 |
| pupnik | you fixed the ai? | 03:52 |
| pupnik | i'm guessing you don't want to use xsp pixel doubling hack :) | 03:52 |
| zerojayPC | javispedro: I'm interested in seeing how fast you've got it if you've got a package available. | 03:53 |
| pupnik | see mplayer, fms libs or liqubase lib for that screen-res change thing | 03:53 |
| zerojayPC | Does it take advantage of the SNES Advance speedhacks database? | 03:53 |
| javispedro | f*ck modest in the background | 03:54 |
| MaceN810 | heh | 03:54 |
| MaceN810 | just out of curiosity... | 03:54 |
| javispedro | pupnik, yes, I fixed the AI | 03:54 |
| javispedro | oops pause button is not working | 03:55 |
| javispedro | heh lost anyway | 03:55 |
| MaceN810 | is the driver/app that contrils the blimking led on an n8x0 closed too? | 03:55 |
| MaceN810 | controls | 03:55 |
| pupnik | you can control it manually - from shell | 03:55 |
| zerojayPC | javispedro: If you don't know about the speedhack database, it's basically a list of ROM checksums that the emulator can check against and then apply the code patches to the ROM after loaded into RAM. | 03:56 |
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| zerojayPC | javispedro: Made specifically to speed up games that are far too slow normally. | 03:56 |
| javispedro | pupnik, it was my initial plan to use xsp | 03:56 |
| MaceN810 | :) | 03:56 |
| javispedro | zerojay, snesadvance.dat? | 03:56 |
| pupnik | xsp works well enough if you detect app losing focus | 03:56 |
| javispedro | I was wondering how's performance going to be | 03:56 |
| javispedro | if I write | 03:56 |
| javispedro | some fixed scalers in arm for common resolutions | 03:57 |
| javispedro | s/arm/asm/ | 03:57 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: some fixed scalers in asm for common resolutions | 03:57 |
| pupnik | sdl updates 800x480 at up to about 22fps | 03:57 |
| javispedro | pupnik, it goes up to 60fps at the mario kart title screen | 03:58 |
| pupnik | iirc - on n8x0 | 03:58 |
| pupnik | good stuff | 03:58 |
| javispedro | (no scaling, orig snes resolution) | 03:58 |
| javispedro | do you have n810? | 03:58 |
| pupnik | it should really run snes games (w/o coprocessor) fullspeed | 03:58 |
| pupnik | yes | 03:58 |
| zerojayPC | javispedro: That's the one. | 03:58 |
| pupnik | helpful to have that keyboard :) | 03:58 |
| javispedro | good, cause for now I only have barebones hardcoded key mapping :) | 03:58 |
| zerojayPC | On PS3 Linux, we have absolutely no acceleration at all... 2d or 3d.. not even X acceleration. | 03:59 |
| zerojayPC | So what I do is run all games at their original resolution and use a scaler program that runs on a separate SPE unit on the PS3 to upscale to 1080P. | 03:59 |
| javispedro | zerojay, will definitely be interesting to implement snesadvance.dat support (afaik it's the only way to play sa-1 games) | 04:00 |
| zerojayPC | Offsets the cost of scaling from the CPU... more speed. | 04:00 |
| javispedro | there's some code from a (spanish btw) random guy floating around some random forum | 04:00 |
| pupnik | how bout you leave your build as is, and have someone make a frontend to symlink chosen game to ~/test.smc :) | 04:00 |
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| javispedro | pupnik, i will _not_ write a single GUI line in C, so that's the plan ;) | 04:00 |
| Luke-Jr | http://www.ps3news.com/PS3-Linux/3d-accelerated-graphics-are-coming-to-ps3-linux/ | 04:00 |
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| pupnik | well you can take a cmd line game :) | 04:01 |
| pupnik | but the symlink would be funny | 04:01 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: Yeah, it's crap. | 04:01 |
| javispedro | yep, currently taking disable audio, show fps and rom name from cmdline | 04:01 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: I compiled all the mesa and Gallium3D and cell drivers and there's barely any noticable help yet. | 04:02 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: I can run glxgears at 195fps with that. :/ | 04:02 |
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| javispedro | pupnik, ingame the mario kart performance is more like 20 fps though (according to the snes9x autoframerate code I blatantly copied) | 04:02 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: It's gonna be a year or so before it might be decent. | 04:02 |
| MaceN810 | hahaha | 04:02 |
| javispedro | though mariokart uses dsp1 so it don't know if you consider that a "without accelerators" game. | 04:03 |
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| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: o rly? I'm getting 200 fps in UT3 | 04:03 |
| javispedro | hum, going to try without sound | 04:03 |
| javispedro | oh, god. hangs on quit. | 04:04 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: You aren't running UT3 on your PS3 through PS3 Linux. | 04:04 |
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| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: yes i am! | 04:04 |
| pupnik | yes, dsp1 is fairly heavy from what i read | 04:04 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: You're not using something like StreamMyGame, are you? | 04:04 |
| pupnik | the other heavy stuff is the 'gpu' and layering with effects | 04:04 |
| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: no, running Linux UT3 on PS3 Linux | 04:05 |
| javispedro | sa-1 being one of the heaviest (unfortunately one of my favourite games, kirby superstar, uses it) | 04:05 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: I'd love to know how you're doing that with no 3d acceleration. :) | 04:05 |
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| Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: like that link says, there's 3D acceleration now | 04:05 |
| zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: Now I know you're full of crap. | 04:06 |
| zerojayPC | There's not. | 04:06 |
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| zerojayPC | That link MASSIVELY jumped the gun. | 04:06 |
| Luke-Jr | shrug, works for me | 04:06 |
| Luke-Jr | also | 04:06 |
| Luke-Jr | it's not "full of crap" | 04:06 |
| Luke-Jr | it's "pulling your leg" | 04:06 |
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| zerojayPC | Heh. | 04:06 |
| javispedro | well, talk is cheap, going to upload the code and call it a day | 04:07 |
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| javispedro | zerojay, i know nothing about dsps at all ;) | 04:09 |
| javispedro | specially about the n8x0 one | 04:09 |
| javispedro | my old creative sound card has one, but the dev environment is soooo easy | 04:09 |
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| ilovemistakes | hi all. i am writing an app using liblocation. can i distribute it under gpl? | 04:10 |
| zerojayPC | I can't say I know any more than you do. :) | 04:10 |
| Luke-Jr | ilovemistakes: you can, since you're the author. nobody else can. | 04:12 |
| javispedro | ilovemistakes, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#FSWithNFLibs | 04:12 |
| Luke-Jr | ilovemistakes: you could distribute it under a GPL-with-exception-for-liblocation | 04:12 |
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| javispedro | ah, that faq link is mostly propaganda (no offense, I love the FSF, but was expecting something more serious) | 04:13 |
| javispedro | but I guess liblocation can be classified as a "system library". | 04:14 |
| ilovemistakes | thank you | 04:15 |
| javispedro | but isn't liblocation lgpl? that would be a nice question | 04:15 |
| javispedro | aye | 04:16 |
| javispedro | sorry | 04:16 |
| javispedro | that last question about lgpl made no sense ;) | 04:16 |
| javispedro | need to sleep :) | 04:16 |
| ilovemistakes | that is the point - i cant find any useful information about liblocation | 04:16 |
| javispedro | it's just "closed source" | 04:17 |
| ilovemistakes | and it is licensed to me under Nokia's SDK License | 04:17 |
| ilovemistakes | so, the Purpose is only to port or develop apps | 04:18 |
| ilovemistakes | that's what i am worried about | 04:18 |
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| javispedro | you're developing apps ;) | 04:19 |
| javispedro | they allow you to "use" it under their conditions. your problem is if the standard gpl allows you to release your program under it. | 04:19 |
| javispedro | to which I say: yes, cause it falls under the "system library" exemption (see thousand of windows apps) | 04:19 |
| javispedro | either way, IANAL. | 04:20 |
| ilovemistakes | lANAL? | 04:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That shouldn't be abbriviated... | 04:20 |
| javispedro | I Am Not A Lawyer, sorry, it's common on slashdot | 04:20 |
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| ilovemistakes | so i can just put my software under gpl, link it with liblocation and distribute it freely (in the means of gpl). right? | 04:23 |
| javispedro | i'm sure there's already gpl software out there dynamically linking with liblocation, I'm wrong? | 04:23 |
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| ilovemistakes | i don't know, unfortunately i have no tablet, only poor sdk :) | 04:24 |
| javispedro | ask the forum for confirmation if you wish, but I still say "yes". | 04:25 |
| ilovemistakes | thank you very much | 04:25 |
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| javispedro | pupnik, zerojay, the code ;) : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=311071 | 04:45 |
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| pupnik | Putting together a PC? Power-Supply Calculator: http://web.aanet.com.au/SnooP/psucalc.php | 05:06 |
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| pupnik | Putting together a PC? Power-Supply Calculator: http://web.aanet.com.au/SnooP/psucalc.php | 05:21 |
| pupnik | boo @ netsplit | 05:21 |
| MaceN810 | sure wish you could add a channel as a contact in rtcom | 05:22 |
| MaceN810 | heh | 05:22 |
| MaceN810 | powersupply calculator? | 05:22 |
| MaceN810 | hahahaha | 05:22 |
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| MaceN810 | wtf? | 05:22 |
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| MaceN810 | microb sure doesnt render wordpress that well | 06:09 |
| MaceN810 | maybe tear can | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, trolls. | 06:11 |
| MaceN810 | /nick MaceN810 | 06:11 |
| MaceN810 | wtf | 06:11 |
| MaceN810 | huh? | 06:12 |
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| MaceN810 | wtf happened to my nick? | 06:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | That's why RTCOMM and IRC don't mesh... | 06:14 |
| * qwerty12_N810 grumbles at not being able to cancel builds. I've sent the Diablo autobuilder into a loop :rolleyes: | 06:15 | |
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| macen810 | grrrfrf | 06:17 |
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| MaceN8x0 | ok. weird | 06:20 |
| MaceN8x0 | had to rm the acct and readd it | 06:20 |
| MaceN8x0 | to fix my nick.. blah | 06:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 06:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hello, early Jaffa. | 06:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe, hi Jaffa | 06:25 |
| * Jaffa up to catch a flight to Stockholm. Gotta get to Heathrow by about 0600 (95 mins from now) | 06:26 | |
| Jaffa | âMrs Jaffa's made me a bacon butty for breakfast :) | 06:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Don't tell lcuk :) | 06:27 |
| pupnik | enjoy jaffa | 06:28 |
| MaceN8x0 | wtf | 06:29 |
| MaceN8x0 | and now it is broken again | 06:29 |
| MaceN8x0 | i keep losing my capital letter | 06:30 |
| MaceN8x0 | well. guess thnis rtcom isnt so cool afterall heh | 06:30 |
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| MaceN8x0 | hm | 07:04 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | ok | 07:11 |
| zerojayPC | Mace_N8x0: Your nick was fine. | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | It's the bug I filed. | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | It makes people joining look like their names start with lowercase. | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | Just on the tablet. | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | [23:54] <MaceN8x0> wtf | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | [23:54] <MaceN8x0> and now it is broken again | 07:12 |
| Mace_N8x0 | wordpress is killing microb | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | [23:55] <MaceN8x0> i keep losing my capital letter | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | [23:55] <MaceN8x0> well. guess thnis rtcom isnt so cool afterall heh | 07:12 |
| zerojayPC | Wordpress is fine for me on microb. | 07:12 |
| Mace_N8x0 | yeah | 07:14 |
| divide_by_zero | i wish we could use GOPHER more... | 07:14 |
| Mace_N8x0 | my nick is fine now heh | 07:14 |
| Mace_N8x0 | wordpress is kiling me | 07:14 |
| Mace_N8x0 | the editing is beyond slow | 07:14 |
| Mace_N8x0 | and the cursor jumps arounf wehn trying to edit stuff | 07:15 |
| zerojayPC | Use Maemo WordPy. | 07:15 |
| Mace_N8x0 | like if i hit bold | 07:15 |
| Mace_N8x0 | damn. didnt think about that | 07:15 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 07:15 |
| GAN800 | Wordpress is JS hell. | 07:16 |
| Mace_N8x0 | wordpress client | 07:16 |
| Mace_N8x0 | anything that doesnt use python? | 07:16 |
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| * divide_by_zero just found out fennec actually supports gopher, HORRAY!!! down with the microb, mammals are the best! | 07:19 | |
| Mace_N8x0 | microb is such a speedwhore | 07:20 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 07:20 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | is there a way to view this without the http stuff? | 07:34 |
| divide_by_zero | what stuff? | 07:35 |
| zerojay | ? | 07:36 |
| Mace_N8x0 | wordpy | 07:36 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | like to view it like the browser editor? | 07:36 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ah well, this will have to do til now | 07:39 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | guess i will just put the stuff in by hand | 07:39 |
| zerojay | What stuff? | 07:40 |
| pupnik | don't encourage this zerojay | 07:40 |
| zerojay | Lol | 07:40 |
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| divide_by_zero | how do I create an icon to run a python script, or at least execute if from the file manager?... | 08:16 |
| divide_by_zero | s/if/it | 08:16 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:38 |
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| divide_by_zero | hi | 08:40 |
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| divide_by_zero | answering myself, Personal Menu seems to be the way to go... | 08:52 |
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| timeless | gan: ok so | 09:06 |
| timeless | colloquy is unhappy | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | morning timeless | 09:07 |
| timeless | morning | 09:07 |
| timeless | gan: i think the latest strings i have are either in some zip somewhere (probably indeed on webwizardry) or in a .hg thing that i gave to stskeeps | 09:08 |
| timeless | although the .hg thing is more for fremantle | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | we have the mer strings on http://gitorious.org/mer-l10n now (work in progress for later transifex stuff) | 09:10 |
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| timeless | ooh, cool | 09:10 |
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| timeless | are you committing things in my email address? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 09:11 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're committing my strings, the committer should really say timeless@gmail.com :) | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | if we can in git, -- we committed a new tree structure so | 09:15 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if gitorious doesn't like ohloh | 09:16 | |
| Stskeeps | you are obviously in copyright notice | 09:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | well that's good, but oddly i'm more interested in looking good in ohloh than i am in having a proper copyright notice :) | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | sure, - find a way to alter who committed - i invited you for the discussion when we were working on it :) | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | err, on irc or by mail? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | irc | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | was a short discussion | 09:21 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry i missed it | 09:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | so.... from a debian perspective... | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | giving each package its own repo "is proper" | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | from my perspective, it's mostly a pain in my ass :) | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i suppose that if git has a forest manager it might be more or less ok | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | anyway it's not the final layout -- i can find the log for the discussion if you want | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i probably should read it | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | scatchup on bottom of http://trac.tspre.org/merlogs/2009-08-05.html | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | -s | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | around 21, me and tomaszd | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't use http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ ? :) | 09:29 |
| timeless_mbp | (colorized !) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:30 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, it's mer not maemo | 09:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, you did it for ACL | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | and transifex matching structure | 09:34 |
| * timeless_mbp should probably read about transifex | 09:35 | |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the gtk20 l10n that nokia had was at least somewhat influenced originally by nokia | 09:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i.e. they managed to screw it up | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:37 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i'd rather the engineering english be on a branch of its own | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of in engb | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | because we're going to want to support a real engb | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | and it won't relate to engineering english | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think i noted it too | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | en_EN? ;) | 09:39 |
| timeless_mbp | "nokia.po" | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't English :) | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but the problem is that .... | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Microsoft and Nokia are going to announce something today? | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | office for smartphones or something equally insane | 09:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | dumbphones :) | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | smart phones don't do symbian | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | though honestly, if rover could run some edition of office, it would beat all other competitors hands down :P | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | no matter how unrealistic it is | 09:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | by 'office', you mean 'microsoft office' ? | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:56 |
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| chx | given that gtalk works on my tablet but irc has connection issues and that i have servers http://www.ejabberd.im/mod_irc does not this sound like a good idea to get irc? | 10:01 |
| * RST38h moos | 10:06 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Google online apps should work | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: offline apps too | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | so it doesn't need data often | 10:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: ping | 10:09 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Bastard ;) | 10:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hah | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Uploading the .tar.gz as .dsc file ;) | 10:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bastard I am, but the Extras Assistant did say it was OK... | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: It seems it doesn't like a 4MB binary file when it expects a text file. | 10:18 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Hmm interesting.. | 10:19 |
| X-Fade | It should have rejected based on the md5sum in .changes | 10:20 |
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| X-Fade | Anyway, you can submi it again. I removed it from the queue. | 10:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Please don't tar and feather me again | 10:22 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 10:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thank you | 10:22 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: you'd prefer to be tar and zipped? | 10:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 10:22 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Are you coming to the summit? | 10:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No :) | 10:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Although this doesn't sound encouraging... | 10:23 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: You really need to age faster ;) | 10:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And get a passport it seems :) | 10:24 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: id card not enough? | 10:24 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | If an 16+ bus pass counts as one... | 10:25 |
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| X-Fade | heh ;) | 10:25 |
| X-Fade | So basically you need somebody to adopt you for the summit ;) | 10:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe | 10:26 |
| X-Fade | Ah! Found the bug in the assistant code. | 10:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: you don't have a valid id for traveling to the content? | 10:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No :\ | 10:30 |
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| RST38h | Just get a passport... | 10:32 |
| X-Fade | Did anybody see this gmail app for Maemo already? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbgPHc3VfgQ&feature=player_embedded | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: This is iPhone UI | 10:33 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: Yep. | 10:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Somebody is running GMail Mobile with iPhone or S60 UI enabled. You can do it too :) | 10:34 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: http://puelocesar.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/gmail-app-for-maemo/ | 10:35 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I think you do not need that Agent string, some argument in the URL should work just as well | 10:36 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: possibly. | 10:36 |
| RST38h | let me check... | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: iPhoneish iGoogle: http://www.google.com/m/ig?uipref=6 | 10:38 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: All mobile URLs: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/10/gmail-modes.html | 10:39 |
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| flx-usr-dst | Hello | 10:55 |
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| Meizirkki | hi flx-usr-dst | 10:57 |
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| flx-usr-dst | I'm new here, can I ask a technical question about maemo? | 10:58 |
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| andre___ | flx-usr-dst, don't ask to ask. just ask. | 10:59 |
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| flx-usr-dst | ok | 10:59 |
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| flx-usr-dst | We have just bought a Nokia N97 and I'm wondering if I can install Maemo on it | 10:59 |
| RST38h | No. | 11:00 |
| andre__ | heh. i don't think so. | 11:00 |
| flx-usr-dst | ok | 11:00 |
| flx-usr-dst | thats a pitty | 11:00 |
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| X-Fade | flx-usr-dst: Just wait a little longer, the upcoming device looks quite like the N97 but with better specs. | 11:01 |
| flx-usr-dst | what is the upcoming device? | 11:02 |
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| t_s_o | it seems that the forum is very unreliable these days... | 11:13 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | hello | 11:58 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | hm | 11:59 |
| Mace_N8x0 | msging in rtcom doesnt work bydouble clicking the nicks | 11:59 |
| Mace_N8x0 | great.. now i have a messed up nick again heh | 12:01 |
| Mace_N8x0 | mace_n8x0: great | 12:01 |
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| X-Fade | lol, dutch news paper showing that weird screenshot/mockup: http://www.telegraaf.nl/digitaal/4586557/__Nokia_ruilt_Symbian_in_voor_Maemo__.html?cid=rss | 12:16 |
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| aquatix | X-Fade: heh :) | 12:24 |
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| aquatix | X-Fade: what do you think, it's the telegraaf ;) | 12:25 |
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| X-Fade | aquatix: Yeah. | 12:29 |
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| RST38h | iPhone! | 12:41 |
| Corsac | ? | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Just ONE person? :) | 12:44 |
| RST38h | iPhone!!! | 12:44 |
| roope | iAm, therefore iPhone. | 12:44 |
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| wazd | hello all | 12:45 |
| RST38h | ehlo, wazd, people here can no longer be trolled by mentioning iPhone | 12:45 |
| RST38h | Can you believe it? | 12:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: nowai :) | 12:47 |
| Razumihin | iPhone :( | 12:47 |
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| Meizirkki | :D | 12:48 |
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| alterego | http://www.hilarious-pictures.com/picture/vulcan-obama | 12:48 |
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| RST38h | alterego: the comments there are weird | 12:53 |
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| * pupnik wonders how much work it would be to get FLTK2 running on tablet (for next dillo browser) | 12:55 | |
| pupnik | dillo is just sooo light | 12:56 |
| pupnik | usually my first choice for opening those suspect irc links | 12:57 |
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| alterego | Hah, I didn't read any comments. | 13:00 |
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| RST38h | http://www.demotivation.ru/fimpi0cnjnkspic.html | 13:03 |
| RST38h | (not photoshopped, in case you wonder) | 13:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | NSFW either... | 13:08 |
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| wazd | RST38h: sure bout the link? | 13:09 |
| wazd | RST38h: I just have various "ads" :D | 13:10 |
| RST38h | wazd: shows up for me | 13:10 |
| RST38h | The "ads" have been taken care of by AdBlock+ | 13:10 |
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| pupnik | i don't get it - i see an ad for forbes, and this (imho lame) flash video of some woman in short skirt | 13:16 |
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| pupnik | wb javispedro | 13:18 |
| javispedro | morning | 13:18 |
| javispedro | (a bit late to say that though) | 13:18 |
| javispedro | does pop3s gmail still work for you? | 13:19 |
| javispedro | i don't know what's going on this week but every morning something breaks in my NIT | 13:19 |
| javispedro | the ssl cert check is (according to modest) failing due to bad signature | 13:20 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVjF_7ensg <- wow, just wow | 13:22 |
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| javispedro | ah, gmail suddenly works again. must've been some google network thing | 13:27 |
| javispedro | wazd, interesting indeed :) | 13:27 |
| _berto_ | javispedro: don't know about pop, but at least gmail imap does work | 13:27 |
| wazd | javispedro: yeah, an we care bout how pretty UI transitions are :) | 13:35 |
| Andy80 | javispedro, gmail/pop3 works fine from my N810 | 13:35 |
| javispedro | yep, it started working again, so good I didn't accept the "broken" cert. | 13:36 |
| Andy80 | :D | 13:36 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:39 |
| javispedro | hi | 13:40 |
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| zerojayPC | Macer: As I told you last night, your nick was NOT actually messed up. Check out bug #4905. | 13:45 |
| lcuk | pupnik, videos of ladies in short skirts is never lame :D | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp_ | javispedro: google was having issues w/ mail for about 8hrs recently | 13:47 |
| lardman | obviously I should have signed in earlier ;) | 13:47 |
| lcuk | lol lardman, nahhh you will prolly already have these in your collection :p | 13:48 |
| lcuk | and they have all kinds of diseases anyway | 13:48 |
| lardman | :p | 13:48 |
| * lardman wonders what diseases one can catch from an mpeg | 13:49 | |
| pupnik | sundry bad memes | 13:50 |
| pupnik | i woke up the past two days with songs by the Pixies playing in my head | 13:51 |
| pupnik | i'm not complaining though. good tunes. | 13:51 |
| lardman | ah, I see the problem now :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | good tune becomes bad tune if it's playing 12h/day though :) | 13:51 |
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| slonopotamus | kvalo, ping | 13:52 |
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| lbt | wazd: great link | 13:53 |
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| kvalo | slonopotamus: pong | 13:55 |
| lcuk | wazd, ive seen that video before somewhere, but i recall it having more bacon in it last time | 13:56 |
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| slonopotamus | kvalo, is there a reason why stlc45xx-cal works different from cx3110x wlan-cal? | 13:56 |
| slonopotamus | kvalo, the thing is that i rewrote wlan-cal as oss from scratch, but i guess it isn't usable with stlc45xx driver | 13:57 |
| kvalo | yeah, there is. but I can't say much, if any. | 13:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Somebody ate that extra bacon since the last showing? =) | 13:57 |
| lcuk | heh, mightv gotten sucked down a black hole! | 13:58 |
| lcuk | swirling round and round | 13:58 |
| slonopotamus | kvalo, can you at least say why it has to be different? | 13:58 |
| lcuk | om nom nom | 13:58 |
| lcuk | do you think black holes burp and get indigestion | 13:59 |
| lcuk | and if so - what color would it be | 13:59 |
| zerojay | Black holes burp rainbows. Everyone knows that! | 14:00 |
| kvalo | slonopotamus: wrong format in cal. but talk with christian lamparter (p54 maintainer), I'm sure he knows the details and he doesn't have any ndas :) | 14:01 |
| pupnik | lcuk, lard[tab] (shit) ... it was a song about the pioneer of aerodynamics, eric eiffel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf20Effo6ds&fmt=18 | 14:01 |
| kvalo | slonopotamus: Christian Lamparter <chunkeey@web.de> | 14:02 |
| slonopotamus | kvalo, 'wrong'? why it's ok for cx3110x but wrong for stlc45xx? | 14:02 |
| kvalo | slonopotamus: talk with christian | 14:03 |
| slonopotamus | kvalo, okay. thanks anyway | 14:03 |
| kvalo | yeah, sorry. my hands are tied with this. if I were able to talk about it, the tool would be open anyway. | 14:03 |
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| zerojayPC | Hi ho, hi ho, it's off to work I go... | 14:05 |
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| pupnik | who u callin | 14:07 |
| zerojay | Peter@Maemo is trying to calm down fears of Maemo replacing Symbian on Twitter. | 14:08 |
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| aol | it's pretty silly rumor anyways | 14:09 |
| aol | but I can see why people with limited information on things make these conclusions | 14:09 |
| aol | I mean maemo running on low end devices like nokia 5-series? | 14:09 |
| aol | ha ha | 14:09 |
| RST38h | zerojay: url? | 14:10 |
| javispedro | http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo | 14:10 |
| lardman | I thought one of the compaints against the N97 was that Symbian wasn't really designed for touch screens? | 14:10 |
| javispedro | but I can't find who is he replying to. | 14:11 |
| pupnik | there was a rumor in a german online 'news' site | 14:11 |
| aol | the flagship phone really needs to be maemo in order to compete with iPhone etc | 14:11 |
| aol | but the low end smart phones, maemo just does not make sense | 14:11 |
| pupnik | Microsoft Reaches Deal With Nokia on Mobile Version of Office | 14:12 |
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| pupnik | whoah ... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=311036#post311036 | 14:12 |
| lardman | hmm, interesting | 14:12 |
| javispedro | it would be great to see MS writing Maemo code, but doubt it :) | 14:12 |
| aol | probably will be Qt :) | 14:12 |
| javispedro | that would be great too. which means I doubt it too. | 14:13 |
| aol | I can't see them writing symbian code either :D | 14:13 |
| javispedro | probably some random browser crap. | 14:13 |
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| lcuk | shit - guys do any of you know where i can walk in a shop and get aa charger for my x41 | 14:14 |
| aol | what is the office app in nokia's now? that company must be pissed now? | 14:14 |
| RST38h | javis: thanks | 14:14 |
| javispedro | zerojay went to work ;) | 14:14 |
| javispedro | if it's some random javascript crap that company does not have anything to worry about | 14:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Any corporate place that standardizes on Thinkpads and has loose security | 14:15 |
| lcuk | yeah | 14:15 |
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| lcuk | charger snapped this morning | 14:16 |
| RST38h | hehehehe | 14:16 |
| lcuk | and its my only scratchbox install | 14:16 |
| RST38h | See, you are not the first one facing this problem | 14:16 |
| RST38h | BTW, Nokia already ships its phones with an MS Office solution | 14:16 |
| RST38h | The product name is QuickOffice and it is rather decent, given hardware limitations | 14:17 |
| javispedro | QuickOffice???????????' | 14:17 |
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| javispedro | damn I still own a license from them | 14:17 |
| * qwerty12_N810 even had that on an N-Gage. | 14:17 | |
| javispedro | Palm m130 days.. | 14:17 |
| javispedro | was pretty nice in his day and age (they used HTML 3 as format!) | 14:18 |
| javispedro | but they stopped supporting it quickly | 14:18 |
| javispedro | and the last palm version is still full of bugs. | 14:18 |
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| aol | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090812-702406.html | 14:19 |
| javispedro | what's wrong is that Android already gets QuickOffice but Maemo doesn't. | 14:20 |
| javispedro | even though it would've been probably easier to port to Maemo (cause I know the QuickOffice codebase is C/C++) | 14:20 |
| aol | sales potential ? | 14:20 |
| aol | we cant assume everyone would think Maemo as a phone platform right now | 14:21 |
| aol | not many developers seem to know how big it's going to be | 14:21 |
| pupnik | not having crystal balls would be a reason | 14:23 |
| aol | exactly | 14:23 |
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| aol | but todays MS Office annoucement probably doesn't engorauge them to develop the maemo version | 14:24 |
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| wazd | I cant look at WSJ page without smile :) | 14:24 |
| wazd | Shut up! :D | 14:24 |
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| lardman | hmm, need to go into work, drat! | 14:26 |
| lardman | see you all later | 14:26 |
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| pupnik | If RX51 has that FM transmitter, that will be the wedge to open my wallet... | 14:30 |
| pupnik | even though FM frequency response craps out at what... 12khz? | 14:30 |
| wazd | pupnik: 64 I think | 14:31 |
| pupnik | and the flush screen looks like a real design "win" | 14:31 |
| pupnik | hehe not 64khz :) | 14:31 |
| wazd | I wonder if there's a compass :) | 14:31 |
| aol | FM transmitter is a standard N-series feature nowadays ... so no suprise | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | wazd: I wonder about that too. | 14:32 |
| pupnik | FM radio is restricted (by FCC regulation) to a frequency response of 30-15kHz | 14:32 |
| pupnik | aha | 14:32 |
| aol | N97 has compass right? I guess this should not be worse :) | 14:33 |
| javispedro | N97 has compass? | 14:34 |
| javispedro | wow, it's true. | 14:34 |
| javispedro | ok i'm sold. | 14:34 |
| Razumihin | Every phone that features motion sensors have the possibility for compass. | 14:34 |
| aol | nope | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | There are N-series phones with compass. | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | Razumihin: No? | 14:34 |
| aol | compass is done with a magnetometer | 14:34 |
| aol | accelerometers cant do this | 14:35 |
| alterego | They can tell you which way is down though :) | 14:35 |
| * javispedro needs to publish something to maemo.org/downloads then ask for dev unit ;) | 14:35 | |
| aol | alterego: sure :) | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Not even that. | 14:35 |
| alterego | Every device should know which way is down. | 14:35 |
| Razumihin | I thought they use accelerometers parts for that. | 14:35 |
| aol | yeah accelerometers tell which way is down IF you're not otherwise moving... on a car in racetrack you cant :) | 14:35 |
| Razumihin | But yes n97 has a compass, haven't played with it lot but seems to work. | 14:35 |
| X-Fade | Razumihin: There is no way to know where you started then. | 14:35 |
| alterego | It would be pretty impossible to use an accelerometer for that. | 14:35 |
| javispedro | acceleromters can't detect orientation other than up->down (they use earth gravity for that) | 14:35 |
| wazd | Razumihin: they measure acceleration, thats all | 14:36 |
| javispedro | answer overflow :D | 14:36 |
| Razumihin | :) | 14:36 |
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| aol | hehe | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo zerojay | 14:36 |
| pupnik | Nokia 9300i had a *swank* keyboard http://jmirc.sourceforge.net/images/jmirc-spad_n9300i_2006_04_23.jpg | 14:36 |
| aol | I'd wish there would be gyroscopes too | 14:36 |
| zerojay | Hey | 14:36 |
| pupnik | and look, a little dpad that probably would work great with emus | 14:36 |
| aol | but I guess it's bit too far fetched .... but gyroscopes would be great for my app... and games :) | 14:37 |
| Razumihin | dn97 could have better keyboard though... | 14:37 |
| javispedro | maybe we're looking at a shot of the rx-71? ;) | 14:37 |
| wazd | pupnik: well, arrow pad is good too | 14:37 |
| wazd | pupnik: I'd rather bind wasd for arrows | 14:37 |
| Razumihin | it's better than n810 but lot worse than 9500 | 14:37 |
| wazd | pupnik: cause it's on the left | 14:37 |
| aol | E90 keyboard would be good enough for me | 14:37 |
| javispedro | wow compass. yet another cool feature. hope it's true. | 14:38 |
| Razumihin | (and scandinavian letters don't have their dedicated buttons and that really sucks) | 14:38 |
| aol | I hate the N97 kb :( | 14:38 |
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| Stskeeps | zerojay: so my nickname just shows blank or just white? :P | 14:38 |
| Razumihin | It's not that bad really. I've got used to it pretty well. I just hope it would be just a little bit faster to type on. | 14:38 |
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| pupnik | i wonder what gps would cost if it were privately funded | 14:39 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps not now... Someone else this time. | 14:40 |
| zerojay | Person before pup. | 14:40 |
| zerojay | Who is it? | 14:40 |
| Razumihin | Worst thing in n97 is the instability and missing ctrl and escape keys :) | 14:40 |
| javispedro | you mean him ^^^ ? | 14:40 |
| zerojay | Yes | 14:41 |
| zerojay | Who is that? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | Razumihin | 14:41 |
| javispedro | "Razumihin" | 14:41 |
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| zerojay | Got a screenshot | 14:41 |
| Razumihin | Great my nick is enlightened. | 14:41 |
| javispedro | first char upper case, like Stskeeps | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:41 |
| zerojay | Hmm. | 14:41 |
| zerojay | Might be the trigger. | 14:41 |
| pupnik | morning Jaffa | 14:42 |
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| pupnik | "Qt is also a good move for Maemo. The old GTK+ apps will still run, but Qt has much better cross platform support. It means that a developer can write for Qt and have her/his app run on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X on the desktop, and on Symbian S60, Windows Mobile and Maemo in the mobile space." - influenza from engaget comments | 14:43 |
| javispedro | I suck at threading. Only two threads and I am already causing loads of deadlocks | 14:46 |
| SpComb | the fewer threads the better | 14:47 |
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| javispedro | SDL_Audio forces me to one gfx thread and one audio thread, which (knowing how esd works) may be a good thing | 14:47 |
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| Veggen | javispedro: I am prone to thread starvation, because I tend to prioritize what delays others, especially when it takes me relatively short time. | 14:48 |
| Veggen | oh, you didn't mean on the personal plan? ;P | 14:48 |
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| javispedro | I didn't :P | 14:48 |
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| zerojay | Here's what I saw earlier: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1306 | 14:49 |
| zerojay | Raz just IS the channel, lol | 14:51 |
| pupnik | javispedro: you needed to add a sound backend to drpocketsnes? | 14:52 |
| Razumihin | :) | 14:52 |
| Razumihin | I'm not that good ;) | 14:52 |
| Razumihin | Have you checked that it hasn't got limit in nick length also? | 14:53 |
| Razumihin | If it has some const char[] as nickfield. | 14:53 |
| zerojay | No, but it's not constant. | 14:54 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps was the same way yesterday, not now. | 14:54 |
| zerojay | Or is he? | 14:54 |
| javispedro | pupnik, I did, the original was using oss in a complex way I didn't understand | 14:54 |
| zerojay | Stskeeps: speak! | 14:54 |
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| javispedro | (and in fact used pthreads already) | 14:54 |
| Razumihin | Hi has also got long nick and first letter capitalized. | 14:54 |
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| zerojay | Crap, who was that? | 14:55 |
| Razumihin | Raz still. | 14:55 |
| pupnik | javispedro: yes indeed. this is very interesting work U doin for a couple of stalled gp2x ports | 14:55 |
| zerojay | I'll test it out deeper when i get home tonight. | 14:55 |
| javispedro | hah | 14:56 |
| javispedro | I'm looking at the DrPocketSnes code, best way to exit a thread ever made: gp2x_sound_thread_exit=1; usleep(500); | 14:56 |
| pupnik | i'm running a oss-alsa wrapper to start those, and it doesn't always work | 14:56 |
| javispedro | ;) | 14:56 |
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| javispedro | at least they don't have to debug why f*sck pthread_cancel hangs | 14:57 |
| pupnik | hehe | 14:57 |
| RST38h | Oh yess: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/teleport.jpg | 14:58 |
| RST38h | javis: This is actually a very traditional way to do it | 14:59 |
| RST38h | javis: If it is an audio thread | 14:59 |
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| javispedro | either way I don't have that many options, the thread is managed by SDL | 15:01 |
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| Meizirkki | http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=97883986371 | 15:02 |
| RST38h | javis: The reason why they do it is because the audio threads are known to hang | 15:03 |
| RST38h | javis: So you can't really rely on that thread terminating on its own, you can only tell it to stop and hope for the best | 15:03 |
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| javispedro | interesting knowledge you have there RST38h, will interrogate you later ;) | 15:03 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 15:04 | |
| RST38h | Meizirkki: Has he already asked Ian McKellen for approval? =) | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | yet another round lost trying to make non lame strings for fremantle | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i'll definitely worry about getting workable strings soon | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | (say w/in 6months) | 15:05 |
| zerojay | :( | 15:05 |
| zerojay | How stupid, really. Ugh. | 15:06 |
| zerojay | Let me know when you'll start. I want to help. | 15:06 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 15:06 | |
| timeless_mbp | it won't start until after launch | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, i won't let you know until then | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | (for obvious reasons) | 15:07 |
| zerojay | Yeah, i figured. | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and i don't know when the launch might be :) | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | nor do i want to know :) | 15:07 |
| zerojay | Heh. | 15:07 |
| * timeless_mbp points to a large Someone Else's Problem field | 15:07 | |
| zerojay | Just hope it'll be better than Diablo. | 15:07 |
| zerojay | The defaults, that is. | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | you'll be hiding in a bunker when nokia manages to insult the whole of north korea by accidentially translating "Browser" into "Kim Jong Il's Wife Is Loose" | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 15:08 |
| zerojay | Sounds like a plan to me. | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: Only if North Koreans get at least one N900 | 15:09 |
| zerojay | Hah, good point. | 15:09 |
| * timeless_mbp starts reading another thing | 15:10 | |
| timeless_mbp | which has some odd features | 15:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it looks like it was designed for a totally different device | 15:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | awesome | 15:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | ~When you want to know more about something, see the document you're reading now or ... ~ | 15:11 |
| timeless_mbp | if i wasn't working here, i wouldn't believe that someone would write something like that | 15:11 |
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| zerojay | Finnglish is interesting. | 15:13 |
| zerojay | And pissing me off. | 15:14 |
| Myrtti | I'm sorry in behalf of the whole nation | 15:14 |
| zerojay | Aww, that's sweet. | 15:19 |
| zerojay | But i think your music makes up for it. | 15:19 |
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| mikkov_ | this is real Finglish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finglish | 15:24 |
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| divide_by_zero | Rtcomm works! Unbelivable! | 15:35 |
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| zerojay | :) | 15:36 |
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| divide_by_zero | Now I can have all kinds of useful conversations at IRC! | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | thehe | 15:38 |
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| zerojay | It's the only way i can be on irc from work. | 15:42 |
| zerojay | Ubisoft firewalls are hardcore. :( | 15:42 |
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| divide_by_zero | Why? I have something in my firewall at my office tha prevents irc bu allows msn... | 15:43 |
| zerojay | Msn is allowed. | 15:44 |
| zerojay | We used to have an internal irc server. | 15:44 |
| divide_by_zero | But rtcomm goes through the firewall or what? | 15:45 |
| Veggen | of course. Can't disallow Mission-critical software from respected software vendor.... | 15:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 15:45 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Peter can't even spell Mer correctly. | 15:45 |
| zerojay | No, i'm tethered through my cell. | 15:45 |
| zerojay | Lol | 15:45 |
| divide_by_zero | Oh, ok then | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: url? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i don't blame them sometimes, we do say MaEmo Reconstructed :P | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wait, nevermind, that's YOU Stskeeps! http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo | 15:46 |
| andre__ | Mre *is* a complicated word. | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm | 15:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't use Twitter | 15:47 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, somebody wrote that, anyway. | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's me, on friggen day 1.. :P | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | i already have nerves on | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | also, nokia isn't replacing symbian with maemo ;) | 15:51 |
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| pupnik | hehe i thought i was #100 | 15:52 |
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| zerojay | If i keep saying it, it will come true! | 15:53 |
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| Stskeeps | zerojay: i wouldn't be surprised if they move symbian to consumer phones and then maemo in on the professional ones | 15:54 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: Mre is military rations, no? | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | (Meals Ready to Eat) | 15:56 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: if it was difficult to make it should be difficult to say! ;) | 15:57 |
| zerojay | Ironic considering the lack of pim. ;) | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: fremantle probably has pim, all sources point to it :P | 15:58 |
| andre__ | dunno. my meals ready to eat are normally called p.i.z.z.a. and such | 15:58 |
| zerojay | What sources would that be? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: "calendar-backend" and such? :) | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | sync stuff, etc | 15:59 |
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| zerojay | Didn't know about that. Cool. | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | if it's a phone, a N-series one, and it fails to have PIM, no sane N-series users will want it :P | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | so many people use calendar sync, email, etc on them | 16:01 |
| jeremiah | What is this nonsense? -> http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/story/10571459/1/microsoft-nokia-to-announce-mobile-alliance.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA | 16:02 |
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| zerojay | The http protocol. :) | 16:02 |
| zerojay | Argh | 16:03 |
| zerojay | Nm | 16:03 |
| joelmaher | jeremiah: it is the way of the future | 16:03 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, I doubt that. | 16:03 |
| zerojay | Probably office to nokia phones. | 16:03 |
| jeremiah | Is MS going to use Qt? | 16:03 |
| jeremiah | They're are going to have to open a bunch of code GPL then. | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | okay | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | who came up with the "please check this box to say you understand and agree that this isn't nokia software" | 16:04 |
| divide_by_zero | Nokia will sell maemo to bill gates, an they will rebrand it as Open Xenix | 16:04 |
| zerojay | That reminds me. | 16:04 |
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| zerojay | /Me files bug. | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | because that's a lot more annoying than the previous legalese crap | 16:05 |
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| zerojay | Safe to say it's still there in fremantle? | 16:06 |
| javispedro | zerojay, was that /Me thing intentional? does RTCOMM support /irc commands ? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/legalese_insanity.png -> jaffa, zerojay | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | and probably qwerty12_N810 too :P | 16:06 |
| * zerojay test | 16:06 | |
| javispedro | good to know | 16:06 |
| zerojay | It does when /me but not /Me | 16:06 |
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| divide_by_zero | I love it the the popup you must read for actual Nokia software is LARGER than the 3rd party one... | 16:07 |
| javispedro | lol über popup | 16:07 |
| javispedro | did they accept that suggestion to show it only once? | 16:07 |
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| javispedro | "or even harm this product". there goes your warranty | 16:08 |
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| Stskeeps | well, at least we're sure they aren't insisting on signed crap | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:10 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: that's even more annoying than the Diablo (if it is shown repeatedly, and it looks like it would) | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | one | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yes, it is | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | thank god it's OSS though | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: They accepted it, but no one provided a patch. There is a patch which qwerty12_N810 and I wrote which turns it off with a red-pill-mode setting | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I didn't remove the first one for nought ;) | 16:11 |
| zerojay | /mE test | 16:11 |
| zerojay | /ME test | 16:11 |
| * javispedro test | 16:11 | |
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| * zerojay test | 16:11 | |
| Jaffa | However, it should be fairly easy to build a patch which remembers the value once checked. | 16:11 |
| javispedro | xchat accepts it no mather the case | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | XChat > RTComm | 16:11 |
| jeremiah | irssi > XChat > RTComm | 16:12 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, well, to tell the truth, I'm tempted by the integration rtcomm offers... | 16:12 |
| divide_by_zero | irssi rulzzz! | 16:12 |
| zerojay | Rtcomm integration beats all the small issues to me. | 16:13 |
| javispedro | irssi is a curses client???? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | sure, and it works fine :> | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But it is rather buggy... Don't get me wrong, I love RTComm for all the other services it provides but when I tried using it as an IRC client, it just drove me crazy | 16:13 |
| zerojay | Yep. | 16:13 |
| zerojay | I'm trying to fix that. :P | 16:14 |
| javispedro | I knew you all were crazy :P | 16:14 |
| javispedro | ;) | 16:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | rtcomm's source repo is the best ;) | 16:14 |
| zerojay | Crazy like a fox! | 16:14 |
| divide_by_zero | Must hit the road, see ya | 16:15 |
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| zerojay | And ms is not allowed to sell word now. | 16:16 |
| zerojay | Wtf | 16:16 |
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| zerojay | Barred from selling software using custom xml | 16:17 |
| * javispedro wonders if garage is going to accept a request for hosting a "snes9x license" project | 16:17 | |
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| RST38h | What is snes9x license? | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | dear god, webkit debug symbols are 106mb? | 16:18 |
| lcuk | IIS, APACHE, and MAEMO and everything in between must also stop since they allow production of xml documents | 16:18 |
| javispedro | translated from legalese: "You can do as you wish but sell it" | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Sts: Was it unexpected? | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | infact, fuck it - shut down your computers fellas | 16:19 |
| RST38h | javis: Oh you mean license wise | 16:19 |
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| RST38h | javis: I do not think garage will mind | 16:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: you enabled dh_strip --dbg-package? | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm trying to chase down the webkit bug, it seems it mainifests itself with the older tear too | 16:19 |
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| zerojay | Lcuk: just reporting what i read. | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's a double-free | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | hence why it works with valgrind but not glibc :) | 16:21 |
| zerojay | http://bit.ly/n2ZSy | 16:21 |
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| javispedro | lol, banned in all the states? | 16:23 |
| lcuk | zerojay, yeah i know | 16:23 |
| * qwerty12_N810 predicts a rise in BitTorrent/Rapidshare traffic... | 16:23 | |
| javispedro | this at least confirms microsoft has not any kind of "big red emergency button", since they've started losing market share, profits, and now this, and the world has not ended yet. | 16:25 |
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| fiferboy | I get around double-free problems by not freeing anything :) | 16:27 |
| mgedmin | fiferboy: why are you against freedom? | 16:28 |
| RST38h | fiferboy <-- bad, bad coder | 16:28 |
| fiferboy | If you free things too many times, it kills them :( | 16:28 |
| RST38h | (unless of course he does not allocate either) | 16:28 |
| fiferboy | My programs don't use any variables at all | 16:29 |
| * javispedro sees one of the most difficult questions he has ever faced: "SCM? SVN or Git? You won't be able to change it after submitting the project". | 16:31 | |
| fiferboy | Git! | 16:31 |
| zerojay | What does git have over svn? | 16:31 |
| fiferboy | Although, haven't I heard some people have problems with git and garage? | 16:31 |
| javispedro | please discuss :D | 16:32 |
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| jeremiah | zerojay: Are you joking_ | 16:32 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Where is your "git versus everything" link | 16:32 |
| jeremiah | Git is distributed - Svn is central | 16:32 |
| zerojay | No, i'm not. I've never used git. | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i'd take svn and then get a gitorious account | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:32 |
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| jeremiah | This is a huge difference in philosophy | 16:32 |
| mgedmin | git has sweet command-line ui | 16:32 |
| jeremiah | Git is distributed - Svn is central | 16:33 |
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| mgedmin | e.g. git log spawns a pager for long output by default | 16:33 |
| jeremiah | This means that you don't need to have a 'committer bit' | 16:33 |
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| jeremiah | because you just clone repos | 16:33 |
| jeremiah | http://book.git-scm.com/ | 16:33 |
| jeremiah | ^^ great resource | 16:33 |
| fiferboy | zerojay: http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ | 16:34 |
| jeremiah | Written by Linus Torvalds to replace Bitkeeper, git has become the SCM of choice for a lot of projects | 16:34 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, not a bad option, but If I take svn I'll end up using svn (lazyness and all that ;) ) | 16:34 |
| jeremiah | Like the linux kernel | 16:34 |
| javispedro | is the git.maemo.org having problems? | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | the server, I mean. | 16:35 |
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| RST38h | javis: Probably SVN | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Just because it is well integrated with Windows desktop | 16:39 |
| lcuk | the biggest git of all actually MADE the windows desktop | 16:40 |
| * lcuk does agree tho, git is better than svn | 16:40 | |
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| pupnik | so if i reflash now. what should i put on the n810. | 16:42 |
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| pupnik | to be in sync with the cool kids in october | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: heh, 256mb ram isn't enough to host the webkit debug symbols :> | 16:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hannesw said they were useless because they'd crash gdb when he tried to use them :P | 16:42 |
| javispedro | http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ I liked the local repo idea, so I guess I'm choosing Git (also, what the he**, i want to try it at least). | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: same | 16:44 |
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| GAN800 | pupnik, Diablo? Then stick Mer on an SD partition? | 16:46 |
| pupnik | that sounds good | 16:47 |
| Mek | the cool kids will have rovers in october :P | 16:47 |
| coldboot | As you type on the hildon keyboard with your stylus, after a while it randomly executes "filterKeyPress", even though you haven't pressed a real key. | 16:47 |
| GAN800 | Mek, let's hope so. | 16:47 |
| GAN800 | Mek, gonna be an awfully shitty Summit if not. | 16:48 |
| coldboot | Is Antonio back from vacation yet? | 16:48 |
| pupnik | what are 'rovers'? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | what rock have you been hiding under? :P | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: The RX-51 | 16:49 |
| pupnik | ah ty | 16:49 |
| pupnik | strange name | 16:49 |
| Jaffa | Could just be a codename, like Soyuz | 16:50 |
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| n6pfk | When I play videos with mplayer they are not rendered properly unless I click on "play order" and while the dialog box is shown the video renders nicely? | 16:51 |
| n6pfk | When I play videos with mplayer they are not rendered properly unless I click on "play order" and while the dialog box is shown the video renders nicely? | 16:52 |
| n6pfk | Ooops. | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I have seen a few emails from Antonio in the last few days, so I think so | 16:52 |
| coldboot | ok | 16:52 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: When you hit a keyboard key, the widgets are getting converted to native widgets. | 16:54 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: A physical keyboard key, that is. | 16:55 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: That is strange, I thought that was just to use the on-screen keyboard. | 16:55 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: s/native widgets/native X windows/ | 16:55 |
| coldboot | Apparently not. | 16:55 |
| javispedro | in Diablo at least all key presses should be filtered by HIM | 16:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: does OBS let you override the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS that are used? Seeing as it's there, you may as well enable the maemo-launcher support if you get Tear working... :P | 16:55 |
| javispedro | cause e.g. the Chr key could be down | 16:55 |
| coldboot | ah | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | javispedro: Ah! | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: not yet :P i think | 16:56 |
| rkirti | \/nick rkirti|afk | 16:56 |
| rkirti | oops | 16:56 |
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| coldboot | javispedro: fiferboy: So I need to know where to set the HIM Proxy when a keyboard press hildon command is being sent. Also, as you type for a while on the screen keyboard, eventually it sends a keypress in the same way it sends it when you press the physical keyboard. Which causes the same bug as the physical keyboard does. | 16:57 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: If the hardware keyboard sends the commands through HIM, you shouldn't have to differentiate between hardware keyboard presses and on-screen keyboard presses | 16:58 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: It doesn't send them through exactly the same, I think. | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: That could well be | 16:59 |
| coldboot | filterKeyPress() gets called when you press a keyboard button, or when the screen keyboard decides to be a real keyboard -- randomly. | 17:00 |
| lcuk | keypressed from the realkeyboard need special handling because of the stickykeys implementation | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | so you dont have to hold down FN to do numbers | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: How can I try to reproduce the problem you are seeing? | 17:01 |
| javispedro | or the Chr key, which is one of the weirdest cases | 17:01 |
| javispedro | afaik (i know about qt, but tried to understand the gdk flow a bit): sw key sends only him commit events, | 17:02 |
| lcuk | afiak its got the function in which keeps track of the state of the key lock and stuff as well as translating | 17:02 |
| javispedro | hw keyboard sends keypress events but him filters them. | 17:02 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Open up shopper and press a physical keyboard key when a LineEdit has focus. | 17:02 |
| javispedro | *I know _nothing_ about qt, should read ;) | 17:02 |
| lcuk | javispedro, me neither lol, but we have all apparantly been rummaging around the same code | 17:03 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: You might see some flashing. But in our app, it breaks focus for a widget that has taken over the event loop. | 17:03 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i think i found it! did bundyo add database stuff recently? | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | for local app storage or something | 17:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yes, AppCache or something on the request of rmt | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/spottheproblem.png | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | if /media/mmc1 doesn't exist, it crashes | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Hehe | 17:08 |
| pupnik | nice icon for 'mer' whoever did that | 17:09 |
| * Stskeeps points to wazd | 17:09 | |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's actually a really really bad bug | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: want a lesson in things not to do? :) | 17:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hey, it's Bundyo's work :P | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, still a good example of something people don't think about | 17:11 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/bad.png - tell me what's wrong here | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | and no, it's not that it's /media/mmc1 | 17:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Fuck if I know | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | hint: strings aren't dynamically allocated | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | as in, constant strings :P | 17:14 |
| javispedro | lol :) i didn't notice it either | 17:14 |
| pupnik | does a test for set database dire... | 17:14 |
| pupnik | ah | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | which is why everyone likes to use languages where you don't have to free() by hand :P | 17:15 |
| javispedro | like well done C++ | 17:15 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: +1 | 17:15 |
| aol | stskeeps: not really , java sucks :) | 17:15 |
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| Jaffa | aol: Yes. It "sucks" | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | Whereas C++ "doesn't suck" | 17:16 |
| Mace_N8x0 | hi | 17:16 |
| Mace_N8x0 | can someone version me? | 17:16 |
| aol | ok ok :) | 17:16 |
| * Jaffa gives up his high paid career in Java server applications and goes and writes crashing code by accidentally freeing something because the ownership isn't clear. | 17:16 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mace_N8x0: "VERSION telepathy-idle 0.1.2 Telepathy IM/VoIP Framework http://telepathy.freedesktop.org" | 17:17 |
| aquatix | Jaffa: :) | 17:17 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ok. thanks | 17:17 |
| Jaffa | Oh, and tell our customers that we'll be writing C++-based CGI scripts which'll run on exactly one OS and probably won't have any buffer overflows. Oh no. | 17:17 |
| javispedro | in fact, that code snippet would probably require a quick look at the manual | 17:17 |
| Mace_N8x0 | was just curious | 17:17 |
| javispedro | can you free databaseDirectory after passing it as a parameter to the setDBDirectoryPath call? | 17:17 |
| * aquatix mumbles something about just having installed his first self-written android app | 17:17 | |
| aquatix | now i will be glared at | 17:18 |
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| aol | Jaffa: haha, don't get offended :) | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: It'd depend on what setDatabaseDirectoryPath did with it; so relies on it having good docs | 17:18 |
| Mace_N8x0 | want to work more on my dev tablet | 17:18 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 17:18 |
| Jaffa | aol: I'm not offended; just feeding the troll ;-) | 17:18 |
| Mace_N8x0 | too lazy | 17:18 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, i have a question about busybox , is it just a collection of bins? | 17:19 |
| aol | Jaffa: btw, I'm sorry about your day job :) | 17:19 |
| aol | but I guess mine is worse, I do Symbian, Windows Mobile and iPhone apps for living :) | 17:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mace_N8x0: "One bin to rule them all" =) | 17:19 |
| Mace_N8x0 | haha | 17:19 |
| Jaffa | aol: Beats writing C++, and gets me to fly to Stockholm to watch a client install a prototype EJB in WebSphere whilst I type on IRC ;-) | 17:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (Everything is a link to busybox) | 17:19 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i see | 17:20 |
| Mace_N8x0 | so all the commands just call one one thing? | 17:20 |
| Mace_N8x0 | so what happens when i replace the bins that busybox uses? | 17:20 |
| Mace_N8x0 | like. build them and replace the busybox.. links? | 17:21 |
| aol | Jaffa: I actually love writing c++ a lot, but hate my clients | 17:21 |
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| * Jaffa likes this client, likes writing Java (most of the time) and hates writing C++. | 17:21 | |
| Jaffa | Sounds like we're both in well suited jobs ;-) | 17:21 |
| * aquatix writes in both languages | 17:22 | |
| * Jaffa leaves memory allocation fun to when he's writing ARM assembler at weekends | 17:22 | |
| aquatix | and hobbies in python | 17:22 |
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| aquatix | Jaffa: ooh | 17:22 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, i'm just a little curious on how difficult it would be to get rid of busybox from maemo | 17:22 |
| aol | I've ported some C++ stuff over to Java, and I really miss the ability to define own types | 17:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mace_N8x0: Busybox won't get used for that particular command. Say you replace /bin/ls with a real ls from coreutils, then the one you just installed will be used. Busybox will still be used for other commands that you have not replaced the links for | 17:22 |
| aol | but aside from school and that I havent done much with Java | 17:23 |
| Mace_N8x0 | so why is the coreutils pkg so damaging to maemo? | 17:23 |
| aol | but of course I'd never think of writing web/server stuff with c++ :) | 17:23 |
| aol | I guess Java is the right tool there | 17:23 |
| Mace_N8x0 | why must it remove a thousand things to install itself? | 17:23 |
| javispedro | i'm thinking busybox may still try to use its builtin commands from its own ash shell | 17:23 |
| Mace_N8x0 | javispedro, so can't you just chsh to bash and not use ash? | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | Mace_N8x0: went insane yet? | 17:24 |
| javispedro | depends on if busybox-isms exist or not ;) | 17:24 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Stskeeps, naw.. i've just started | 17:24 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | insanity comes a few months later | 17:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Because busybox (packaging wise) says it conflicts with a 1001 things. If you're a machoist, then edit dpkg's status file and remove the conflict with coreutils | 17:25 |
| Mek | probably why the coreutils package is so damaging, is that you can't have multiple packages installed that contain the same file; so to install coreutils you have to uninstall busybox, and everything that has busybox as a requirement | 17:25 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | But be warned: The coreutils package from the SDK repo isn't good to use on a device. I'd have things like "ls -l" segfaulting | 17:25 |
| javispedro | a good question is why maemo enters a reset loop when using bash and coreutils instead of busybox | 17:25 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | javispedro: does it? | 17:26 |
| javispedro | probably due to what qwerty said ;) | 17:26 |
| GAN800 | Mace_N8x0, prepare for reboot loops in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . . | 17:26 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, is it possiblet o build it on the tablet? | 17:26 |
| Mace_N8x0 | and test the new bins | 17:26 |
| michaelm | hi | 17:26 |
| Mace_N8x0 | then repackage ? | 17:26 |
| GAN800 | javispedro, Busybox-isms in init scripts. | 17:26 |
| Mace_N8x0 | haha | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | busyboxism is a new one | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:26 |
| michaelm | i am having some serious issues that I am hoping someone here can help me find a solution | 17:26 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Stskeeps, hurry and tm it ;) | 17:27 |
| pupnik | at what stage of startup do most reboot-loops occur? or could it be anywhere? | 17:27 |
| javispedro | I though busybox was no-frills | 17:27 |
| michaelm | I have a 810 that is in reboot loop | 17:27 |
| Mace_N8x0 | haha | 17:27 |
| Mace_N8x0 | speak of the devil | 17:27 |
| michaelm | lol | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | just like Mace_N8x0 soon will ;) | 17:27 |
| javispedro | and there could be possibly no extension to busybox not in bash or some other über shell | 17:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mace_N8x0: perhaps, but I just replace bins as required. When I was running dpkg-buildpackage, I just replaced everything that busybox couldn't handle | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | michaelm: let me guess, and you'd like to get your data out? | 17:27 |
| michaelm | no, i actually can get my data | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah, then just reflash | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:28 |
| michaelm | my problem is this | 17:28 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, so to get a working coreutils in place of busybox.. i'd be starting from scratch? | 17:28 |
| Mace_N8x0 | :) | 17:28 |
| Mace_N8x0 | and have to pkg everything by hand against a billion libs | 17:28 |
| michaelm | the device boots, stays at the desktop for a min the screen then becomes unresponsive then the device restarts | 17:28 |
| coldboot | What's a good way to debug on the device? Running gdb crashes and restarts the nokia n810... | 17:28 |
| javispedro | coldboot, add swap | 17:28 |
| Mace_N8x0 | so i'm guessing the best way would be to make my own repo | 17:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mace_N8x0: I'd guess so... I never bothered replacing it entirely | 17:29 |
| Mek | running gdb and tell it not to load all symbols by default | 17:29 |
| coldboot | javispedro: Add a swap partition? | 17:29 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, sounds like a lot of pkgs | 17:29 |
| javispedro | it is probably a out of memory issue | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | Mace_N8x0: and you end up at the Mer approach, saying "fuck it all" and start reconstructing things the right way. | 17:29 |
| Mace_N8x0 | is there a list of which bins busybox uses? | 17:29 |
| Mek | coldboot: so only load symbols of the libraries of which you really need it | 17:29 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Stskeeps, yeah.. but i want to do it in maemo 4 | 17:29 |
| pupnik | you can add swap in the system control panel thinyg under 'memory' coldboot | 17:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mace_N8x0: run 'busybox'? =) | 17:29 |
| michaelm | if it is out of memory, how do i see whats causing it? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | Mace_N8x0: noone stops you from taking the source packages for maemo4, building the open source parts and remix your own image | 17:30 |
| javispedro | uf, thread confusion :) | 17:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | When I finally did get an N800 capable of running dpkg-buildpackage, ukki just gave me an SSH account anyway :P | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | Mace_N8x0: except you end up at the funny situation noone else will benefit from your work and your steps will be too difficult to reproduce :P | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | (as you can't distribute the result) | 17:31 |
| michaelm | anyone have any ideas? don't want to confuse the thread anymore | 17:32 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty haha | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | michaelm: do you have fanoush's bootmenu (or the deblet/mer one) installed? | 17:32 |
| Mace_N8x0 | no .. coreutils in busybox | 17:32 |
| Mace_N8x0 | except not the pkg'd one | 17:32 |
| Mace_N8x0 | which obviously has issues | 17:32 |
| javispedro | scratchbox uses bash, so at least there are no "busyboxisms" in the osso-af scripts | 17:33 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Stskeeps, haha | 17:33 |
| Mace_N8x0 | well. that is why i'm blogging it step by step on tech.rancorous.net | 17:33 |
| javispedro | Mace_N8x0, you could also try another approach and build a better, bigger busybox | 17:33 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i'm trying to be as detailed as possible so i don't forget | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The tablet boots up fine with /bin/bash symlinked to /bin/sh | 17:33 |
| javispedro | also wait until debian fixes its bashisms | 17:33 |
| javispedro | (which is something they're trying to do afaik) | 17:33 |
| Mace_N8x0 | javispedro, lol, i thought about that | 17:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | dash on the other hand... god, that sucked more ass than busybox's ash | 17:33 |
| michaelm | stskeeps: no..its actually a fresh flash with the latest image. Installed 1 application then after a few hours it starts acting up | 17:34 |
| Mace_N8x0 | but why do that when i can just work on individual bins | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | Mace_N8x0: what application was it? | 17:34 |
| javispedro | nick confusion ;) | 17:34 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Stskeeps? | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | err | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | michaelm: | 17:34 |
| Mace_N8x0 | oh | 17:34 |
| michaelm | stskeeps: it is one that was written at my office a simple gui using airodump as the back end | 17:35 |
| Mace_N8x0 | but yeah. i'm trying to log every step i take | 17:35 |
| Mace_N8x0 | and hopefully make my own repo with 1 pkg you can run to get it all working to the point where you can build and pkg | 17:36 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | cups support for all! | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | michaelm: right, there might be a problem of airodump or something causing a watchdog reboot | 17:36 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 17:36 |
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| michaelm | i have attempted adding the "--set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard" | 17:37 |
| michaelm | and that doesnt do anything | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | there's a omap wd thing too | 17:37 |
| javispedro | lifeguard would be useful in case hildon-desktop was crashing | 17:37 |
| michaelm | ok | 17:37 |
| michaelm | this is where my question is: | 17:37 |
| michaelm | what do I have to do to see what is causing a watchdog reboot? | 17:38 |
| javispedro | kernel crash? :P | 17:39 |
| Mace_N8x0 | did you install coreutils? | 17:39 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | :) | 17:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Doubt it'd get that far :P | 17:39 |
| Mace_N8x0 | hahaha | 17:39 |
| michaelm | Mace: u talking to me? | 17:40 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | michaelm, sorry... was just a bad joke | 17:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | michaelm: if you have a way of mounting /dev/mtdblock4 outside of Maemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16056 | 17:40 |
| michaelm | lol | 17:40 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i have to figure out how replacing bins affects busybox | 17:41 |
| Mace_N8x0 | and see if it's not calling on its own bins when i replace the old ones.. i would figure it wouldn't but who knows | 17:41 |
| javispedro | it's calling its own bins | 17:41 |
| javispedro | easy to test | 17:41 |
| javispedro | install on debian | 17:41 |
| javispedro | try grep --random-crap-parameter-only-in-gnu | 17:41 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i know the busybox grep didn't pass an abiword configure | 17:41 |
| javispedro | see it fail. | 17:41 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | that seems like... a tedious way to do it | 17:42 |
| michaelm | how do I go about doing this on a device that restarts all the time? should I reflash and hope that it acts up again? | 17:42 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You knew what you were letting yourself in for :) | 17:42 |
| javispedro | michaelm, if you reflash and it acts up again you're fscked, I guess. | 17:43 |
| michaelm | yeah that I know. but I need to know whats causing this contstant restart! | 17:43 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, well, hopefully i can log it all and allow people to reproduce it | 17:43 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i'd love to see the tablet being used as a sttandalone dev box | 17:43 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 17:44 |
| Mace_N8x0 | just so it feels more like a computer.. except i want it to do it in maemo | 17:44 |
| Mace_N8x0 | maemo: "The anti-Mer" | 17:44 |
| Mace_N8x0 | :) | 17:44 |
| Mace_N8x0 | how much is the new tablet supposed to cost? | 17:45 |
| Mace_N8x0 | $1200? | 17:45 |
| zerojay | ...? | 17:45 |
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| pupnik | probably at the high end of phone range | 17:45 |
| zerojay | Anyone that knows can't say. | 17:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | so... $900 | 17:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | hwh | 17:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh too | 17:46 |
| pupnik | i mean look at what they're packing into it | 17:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | nokia isn't really known for its cheap phones | 17:46 |
| Andy80 | 900?! O_o | 17:46 |
| javispedro | we last determined it costed both kidneys, first born son, a for-life contract with t-mobile and being reincarnated as a windows xp admin | 17:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | pupnik, i agree | 17:46 |
| Mace_N8x0 | javispedro, hahaha | 17:46 |
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| Andy80 | I don't think will cost more than other similar devices :) | 17:47 |
| Mace_N8x0 | javispedro, people will pay that | 17:47 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Andy80, how much was an N810 when it first came out? | 17:47 |
| javispedro | well. more than $500 for a phone is still something I consider amiss | 17:47 |
| Mace_N8x0 | like.. $600? | 17:47 |
| * RST38h bets on $600-$700 sans the contract | 17:47 | |
| Andy80 | Mace_N8x0, about 480€ (in Italy) | 17:47 |
| RST38h | And $250-$350 with the contract | 17:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | javis... look at the e90 | 17:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | which is what it basically is | 17:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | with better and more hardware | 17:48 |
| Andy80 | btw... why are you talking of contract? | 17:48 |
| javispedro | I could buy a OQO instead | 17:48 |
| RST38h | Andy80: It is coming out on TMbile network in the US, apparently | 17:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | javispedro, buy a touch book | 17:48 |
| RST38h | javis: Or 3 N810s | 17:48 |
| Mace_N8x0 | i preordered mine... rumor has it.. it's next week | 17:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | or next month | 17:49 |
| RST38h | Macer: Have you got yours? | 17:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | or next year when it's coming out | 17:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | rst, no | 17:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | haha | 17:49 |
| javispedro | I will wait until they confirm rovers' price | 17:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | nobody has gotten them yet | 17:49 |
| javispedro | then wait a year more cause my n810 is too young yet | 17:49 |
| coldboot | When I go to "Control Panel" > Memory > Virtual, it says I've got no internal memory card... | 17:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Someone's been getting lessons from Pandora people | 17:49 |
| Andy80 | I'll wait for developer discount or nothing ;) | 17:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | there would be a lot more buzz on the internets if they did | 17:49 |
| coldboot | Also I get notifications saying the internal memory card is corrupted or unformatted. | 17:49 |
| michaelm | i am trying -set-rd-flags=no-retu-w to see if it stops the restarting | 17:49 |
| Andy80 | RST38h, ah, you mean data contract... yeah... | 17:49 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, yeah. preordering vaporware seems the cool thing to do when it comes to arm hardware | 17:50 |
| Corsac | I already ordered my touchbook | 17:50 |
| Corsac | ¬¬ | 17:50 |
| javispedro | to arm hardware only? | 17:50 |
| michaelm | ok that forced it to turn off | 17:50 |
| RST38h | Macer: Then do not suggest people buy theirs =) | 17:50 |
| javispedro | michaelm, what? it did turn off instead of rebooting? | 17:50 |
| Mace_N8x0 | javispedro, well.. i think they released the mips based netbook | 17:50 |
| Mace_N8x0 | with the usb key thing | 17:50 |
| michaelm | yes | 17:50 |
| Mace_N8x0 | forgot what it was called | 17:51 |
| RST38h | qwerty: BTW, is Pandora out? | 17:51 |
| javispedro | :O | 17:51 |
| coldboot | Nevermind, fixed it. | 17:51 |
| Mace_N8x0 | RST38h, maybe if people preorder enough of them they will see the simulated viable profit | 17:51 |
| * Andy80 going to preorder an iPhone 4G... :D | 17:51 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I heard something like 10 people got them but no pics... | 17:51 |
| michaelm | it turned off after i added that flag (no-retu-w) it booted, was able to get to xterm, did a ps -ef then when i was scrolling up it shut down | 17:51 |
| Mace_N8x0 | and click the "go" button on the fabricator | 17:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Dunno if that changed, however. | 17:51 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, wow. talk about power manufacturing | 17:52 |
| Mace_N8x0 | they sure broke the mold | 17:52 |
| RST38h | qwerty: ehehehehehe | 17:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | They've been frontin' about it for a year now. It's not even funny anymore :/ | 17:52 |
| Mace_N8x0 | maybe they sent it to be fabricated at the place that made the x3 phenoms | 17:52 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qwerty, touch book has been since march | 17:53 |
| Mace_N8x0 | was supposed to come out in "summer,..... june..... end of july...... now..." | 17:53 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 17:53 |
| Mace_N8x0 | they SAID they were shipping | 17:53 |
| Corsac | well, Gregoire is kind-of alone on that :) | 17:54 |
| Mace_N8x0 | nobody has gotten them yet though, i think they sent them via horse driven carriage | 17:54 |
| Corsac | I imagine him going to USPS with the boxes | 17:54 |
| Corsac | :) | 17:54 |
| Mace_N8x0 | through the grand canyon from california | 17:54 |
| javispedro | I would need good brainwashing in order to buy a +$600 phone | 17:54 |
| coldboot | Mek: How do you tell gdb not to load all symbols by default? | 17:54 |
| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/nokia-maemo-20090812-483.jpg | 17:54 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Corsac, hahaha | 17:54 |
| RST38h | Ohmygod they ported Maemo to N95!!! | 17:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Nokia'll arrange it for you =) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i wouldn't mind a bootloader + kernel for n95 ;) | 17:54 |
| Andy80 | RST38h, nice fake ;) | 17:54 |
| RST38h | (anyone willing to post this picture to ITT?) | 17:54 |
| Corsac | I'm shipping him my brother-in-law to help him at AI so maybe I'll get some news | 17:55 |
| Mace_N8x0 | hahah | 17:55 |
| Andy80 | RST38h, it's a FAKE! | 17:55 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Stskeeps, you will never get the cam working in Mer | 17:55 |
| Mek | coldboot: I don't remember... I have used it once a long time ago to debug some kde stuff on a n810... | 17:55 |
| Mace_N8x0 | on the n95 | 17:55 |
| Mace_N8x0 | closed src | 17:55 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ;P) | 17:55 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ;) | 17:55 |
| Mace_N8x0 | they could have at least made sure the widgets were centered on the screen in the fake pic | 17:56 |
| Mace_N8x0 | instead of being chopped off at the end | 17:56 |
| javispedro | and they could have used a btter maemo screenshot and not the first wikipedia one they could find | 17:56 |
| coldboot | Mek: Did it take forever to start up? | 17:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And a date that did not say "2008"... | 17:57 |
| javispedro | coldboot, it is very slow indeed with only sdl symbols, so I guess it will be slow as hell with whole Qt and use 150% of the memory | 17:57 |
| Mek | coldboot: no, I don't think so; when you tell gdb not to load any symbols, it should start quite quickly | 17:57 |
| Mace_N8x0 | qt ftw | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Macer: It was a quick port no time to adjust the widgets =0 | 17:58 |
| Mace_N8x0 | RST, they adjusted the status bar at the top | 17:58 |
| Mace_N8x0 | oh wait.. no they didn't | 17:59 |
| Mace_N8x0 | nm | 17:59 |
| michaelm | it turned off after i added that flag (no-retu-w) it booted, was able to get to xterm, did a ps -ef then when i was scrolling up it shut down | 17:59 |
| Mace_N8x0 | virtual hildon desktop ? | 17:59 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | michaelm, you sure hte hardware isn't broken | 17:59 |
| RST38h | Macer: But it has got a DPAD!!! | 17:59 |
| Mace_N8x0 | J | 18:00 |
| michaelm | nope. because once i reflash and dont install my application and just leave it stock its fine | 18:00 |
| javispedro | so it's "your" application ? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | michaelm: sure airodump isn't doing something fucky? :P | 18:00 |
| javispedro | or one of its dependencies?= | 18:00 |
| michaelm | so i would assume that it has to be in my app thats causing the problem, but i need to figure out what | 18:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | So, er, check what this application is doing? | 18:00 |
| Mace_N8x0 | Ok.... WTF | 18:00 |
| michaelm | i used this app on the 800 (it was modified for the 810) and it never caused this error | 18:01 |
| Mace_N8x0 | hm | 18:01 |
| Mace_N8x0 | HM | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | and there's the sanity and walking right out the door | 18:02 |
| javispedro | his "N8x0" probably exploded in a busyboom-like firework show | 18:03 |
| javispedro | Macer, is your N8x0 still alive? should we call the firefighters? ;) | 18:04 |
| pupnik | coldboot: did you reseat the micro-sd card? | 18:04 |
| pupnik | oops, was stuck in scrollback | 18:04 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | ok | 18:08 |
| Mace_N8x0 | that was wierd | 18:08 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | my kb was only doing caps | 18:09 |
| Mace_N8x0 | shift was lower case | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | nah, your mind must be playing tricks on you | 18:09 |
| Mace_N8x0 | damn beta software ;) | 18:10 |
| javispedro | "Sony Makes New Li-Ions: Recharge in 30 Minutes, Catch Fire in 90 Minutes, Last Ages" | 18:10 |
| javispedro | I tried one in my netbook, and I can attest that the craters left are at least 50% deeper! Go Sony! | 18:10 |
| javispedro | http://www.osnews.com/story/21982/Sony_Makes_New_Li-Ions_Recharge_in_30_Minutes_Last_Ages | 18:11 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | olivine-type | 18:12 |
| Mace_N8x0 | heh | 18:12 |
| Mace_N8x0 | ooooo | 18:12 |
| Mace_N8x0 | new marketing word! | 18:12 |
| Mace_N8x0 | +1 sony | 18:12 |
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| Mace_N8x0 | http://failblog.org/2008/11/24/ad-location-fail/ | 18:17 |
| Mace_N8x0 | wonder if those pics are real most of the time | 18:17 |
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| alterego | Right, just done 50% of that project. Think I'll relax and have a coffee before I head into town and to the pub. | 18:29 |
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| alterego | Oops, wrong channel ... | 18:30 |
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| pupnik | http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/reuters/businessNews/~3/ncQdDKqgc_M/idUSTRE57A60P20090812 News: Microsoft and Nokia form alliance to rival RIM | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i was wondering what motivation might be | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | uh, what is that photo.. | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 18:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It really says a lot when MS needs to form with Nokia because they can't do it with their own WinMo devices... | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | one thing i must say about WinMo.. | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | at least it had friggen sync and PIM | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:36 |
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| javispedro | "online versions." meh. | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: coupled with offline storage and 3g it wouldn't be bad. | 18:37 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMChO0qNbkY ONN News: Google Opt Out Feature Lets Users Protect Privacy By Moving To Remote Village | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it's even more interesting from the perspective Nokia is a webkit and gecko shop | 18:37 |
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| javispedro | Symbian's webkit and I'm sure MS has Symbian in mind. | 18:38 |
| javispedro | not any "potentially winmo overthrowing" mobile OS. | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | business users will be pissed off if a flagship N-series can't do office if the symbian ones can :P | 18:38 |
| javispedro | pupnik, the best news network ever :D | 18:38 |
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| javispedro | "while the macbook wheel won't hit the shelves yet for another 3 to 15 months" :D | 18:44 |
| pupnik | Wish microsoft had less success with their 'open' document spec | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | macbook 'wheel'? | 18:45 |
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| javispedro | fresh from the ONN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA ;) | 18:45 |
| pupnik | i could picture that | 18:45 |
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| pupnik | awesome | 18:45 |
| javispedro | "also the computer is unbreakable, unless drop or hit" lol | 18:46 |
| GAN800 | I like Sony's retarded piece of shit. | 18:48 |
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| zerojay | Hm.. What to put for primary community project on my registration... | 18:50 |
| javispedro | "new Iphone application alerts users to imminent sidewalk collisions with other iphone users" | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | hah | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: "proofreading squad"? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | we have the bugsquad so:P | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | zerojay: Community documentation | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | "docsquad" | 18:51 |
| zerojay | Good ones. | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | Sounds like a super-villain ;-) | 18:52 |
| zerojay | Fits perfect then. | 18:52 |
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| zerojay | Dunno if "dude that edits shit and yells at us all the time" is good enough for sponsorship, but why not try anyways, right? | 18:58 |
| sp3000 | docsquawk | 18:58 |
| zerojay | Lol | 18:58 |
| sp3000 | ducksquad? | 18:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | FinglishFixer? =) | 18:58 |
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| sp3000 | -> fifi -> poodle | 18:59 |
| javispedro | Sound: 2 Hz, 37 channels lol already borked SDL_Audio | 19:00 |
| sp3000 | but that would get obscure | 19:00 |
| zerojay | Sent. | 19:02 |
| zerojay | I can't see sp3000's name shown now. So much for caps triggering it. :( | 19:04 |
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| zerojay | Wonder if i've got enough bugs reported for bugsquad, hehe | 19:05 |
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| GAN800 | zerojay, Andre's the only one really working at the moment. ;) | 19:09 |
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| zerojay | Hah | 19:10 |
| andre__ | currently it's just a silent period | 19:10 |
| andre__ | SDK2 out, waiting for SDK3 or a final release | 19:10 |
| andre__ | not many bug reports... | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | you're saying you want more? ;p | 19:10 |
| andre__ | sure | 19:10 |
| andre__ | honestly, i feel better when i'm stressed (that means lots of bug reports) | 19:11 |
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| andre__ | looking forward when the final release is out | 19:11 |
| andre__ | my doctor disagrees though :-P | 19:11 |
| zerojay | Me too. | 19:11 |
| zerojay | I'm gonna go nuts. | 19:12 |
| GAN800 | andre__, I'm going to get every WalMart newb who buys a T-Mobile device to come and start reporting bugs for you. :P | 19:13 |
| GAN800 | "my n-900 wont start????" | 19:13 |
| zerojay | And they'll all be dupes. ;) | 19:13 |
| GAN800 | "need help" | 19:13 |
| andre__ | GAN800, i'm fine with that. i even have a stock answer for those. two clicks, done :) | 19:13 |
| javispedro | and you also get a free n900!! | 19:14 |
| javispedro | remember to hide the bodies | 19:14 |
| andre__ | i was gnome evolution bugmaster. i'm used to "cant sent mail. plz help!!!!!" reports. | 19:14 |
| zerojay | "Should not reproduce"? | 19:14 |
| GAN800 | Double-tap, not two clicks. :P | 19:14 |
| andre__ | that get answered by a polite(tm) "this is not a support forum" -> RESOLVED INVALID comment :) | 19:14 |
| andre__ | for me it's one click and one Return key | 19:15 |
| javispedro | RESOLVED REPORTER_KILLED | 19:15 |
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| zerojay | Lol | 19:15 |
| zerojay | Poor yerga felt his wrath. | 19:15 |
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| javispedro | no! | 19:16 |
| javispedro | this can't be true | 19:16 |
| javispedro | now it crashes if I DISABLE optimizations | 19:16 |
| javispedro | this toolchain is nuts | 19:16 |
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| GAN800 | zerojay, you missed out on the fun andre__ and I had with freejazz | 19:17 |
| andre__ | ehehe | 19:18 |
| yerga | I had some kind words in my email too :) | 19:20 |
| GAN800 | "im going 2 murder u u fukin nerd!!!1!!" | 19:20 |
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| zerojay | Whaaaa? | 19:28 |
| zerojay | Explain? | 19:29 |
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| pupnik | is there something like fraps for X11? | 19:30 |
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| javispedro | this sucks. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d43140787 | 19:35 |
| javispedro | ^^^ crashes when built with g++, but not when built with gcc | 19:35 |
| javispedro | 25 lines long. | 19:35 |
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| GAN800 | zerojay, search for freejazz in reporters on bmo. | 19:38 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, some insane idiot who spammed us with death threats. | 19:38 |
| pupnik | :/ javispedro. | 19:39 |
| pupnik | i learned what a callback was, once | 19:39 |
| GAN800 | I'll forward you some of the emails if I still have them. | 19:39 |
| javispedro | it's not a callback problem though | 19:39 |
| zerojay | Lol, please do. | 19:39 |
| javispedro | it crashes while SDL tries to cancel the audio thread | 19:40 |
| pupnik | something deep and weird i bet | 19:40 |
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| GAN800 | I wish I had saved that itT post from the guy who said Texrat and I loved Nokia so much we'd go to Iraq for them. | 19:41 |
| pupnik | javispedro: your work here could be used to fix sound in gp2x NES emu, GemRB, uhh... Snes9x - some other wonky OSS projects | 19:41 |
| zerojay | Hahaha | 19:42 |
| zerojay | Really? | 19:42 |
| zerojay | Shit, i missed out on all that? | 19:42 |
| pupnik | I'd go to redmond first | 19:42 |
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| zerojay | Maemo summit 2010: the occupation | 19:43 |
| zerojay | Redmond, wa | 19:44 |
| zerojay | Be there! | 19:44 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro, so either SDL includes or your program isn't C++? :) | 19:47 |
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| javispedro | the g++ linker puts in some code SDL does not like | 19:48 |
| javispedro | as usual I'm not alone... http://www.google.com/search?q=_Unwind_VRS_Pop+SIGSEGV | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | hah. first hit mentions "a user of the nokia n810" | 19:49 |
| javispedro | my bet: broken libgcc_s on diablo. | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | wtf is that google logo tonight? | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | ShadowJK: you know you can click on it, right? | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | Oh right | 19:50 |
| mmu_screen | oh unwind... | 19:51 |
| javispedro | -static-libgcc fixes it | 19:51 |
| mmu_screen | btw I had probs the other day after rebuilding gcc for Haiku... | 19:51 |
| mmu_screen | oh, interesting | 19:52 |
| mmu_screen | had to add some stuff to the bootloader ldscript and a fake abort() | 19:52 |
| mmu_screen | for the arm port, I mean | 19:52 |
| javispedro | Haiku arm port?? | 19:53 |
| mmu_screen | yes for GSoC | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | which one is haiku again.. | 19:53 |
| zerojay | Oh boy, this freejazz guy... Haha | 19:53 |
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| ShadowJK | ah, beos thing | 19:54 |
| javispedro | would be very cool :) | 19:54 |
| pupnik | ahh "recordmydesktop" | 19:55 |
| ShadowJK | I seem to remember there was this other non-unixy OS project too, but I can't remember what it was called | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | and im not thinking of qnx | 19:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Syllable? | 19:56 |
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| ShadowJK | oh that might be it | 19:56 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah | 19:57 |
| javispedro | Syllable also has an API that reminds me of BeOS | 19:57 |
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| * javispedro wonder wheter to file yet another diablo WONTFIX bug about this libgcc_s thing... | 19:58 | |
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| GAN800 | zerojay, I wonder how many more of those nuts we'll get with Fremantle. . . . | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | N900 to have a TV tuner! | 20:10 |
| zerojay | ? | 20:10 |
| aol | wot? | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: DVB-T might be neat :P | 20:11 |
| aol | DVB-H is useless .... DVB-T might be cool but not too realistic with the reception problems and all ? | 20:11 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, yeah, Hava + 3G. ;) | 20:11 |
| ShadowJK | reception problems? Well, the broadcast network is designed for receivers hooked up to big directional antennas... | 20:12 |
| zerojay | Where did you hear that it will have a tv tuner? | 20:13 |
| aol | ShadowJK: DVB-H is designed for mobile devices, more robust transmission etc | 20:13 |
| aol | but there is just no DVB-H channels | 20:13 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah, I was referring to DVB-T | 20:13 |
| aol | yes, but as you mentioned DVB-T is designed to be received with a proper antenna | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, MS deal .. OneNote integration for tablet = <3 | 20:14 |
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| coldboot | It seems `dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc` actually cleans in sb1... | 20:23 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: javispedro: I fixed the bug, just had to add HIM Proxy code to sendKeyEvents() | 20:24 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: So there is no conversion to natvie X windows when inputing now? | 20:24 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: At least not in those two cases. | 20:25 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: We're releasing on Friday, and this is good enough for now, so I gotta build it. | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Excellent | 20:25 |
| javispedro | good to know :) | 20:25 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: You are releasing based on qt 4.5.0? | 20:25 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah. | 20:30 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: We don't have resources to make sure 4.5.2 or whatever the latest is doesn't have bugs. | 20:31 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: How are you distributing your modified libqt4-gui package? | 20:31 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: I make a new package with a new version number by editing debian/changelog, then we push the libqtgui*.deb package to some server that everyone downloads from automatically when they sync data. | 20:35 |
| coldboot | It's actually not retarded, I was impressed. | 20:35 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: Cool | 20:35 |
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| VDVsx | X-Fade, ping | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: would hidd --connect allow me to connect constantly with bluemaemo or do i need to do something better? :P | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | (i have a media center pc i want to use with bluemaemo and often be disconnected) | 20:38 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, the connect is canceled if you leave the devices without any activity for a certain period, but you can reconnect from the n8x00 side | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | k | 20:40 |
| VDVsx | actually you only need to use HIDD one time | 20:40 |
| VDVsx | for register the device, next connections can be done only in the n8x0 side | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 20:41 |
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| zerojay | Is there something extra that needs to be done for ps3? | 20:43 |
| zerojay | I never got it to connect. | 20:43 |
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| zerojay | Always would error out during pairing. | 20:44 |
| VDVsx | there's some hits in tmo | 20:44 |
| VDVsx | 1 sec | 20:44 |
| VDVsx | zerojay, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=259925&postcount=216 | 20:45 |
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| zerojay | Yeah, same method, but didn't work. Thanks anyways. | 20:46 |
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| VDVsx | zerojay, a new one or a old one ? | 20:47 |
| Passeli | fiferboy: what do you mean "some server"? is it installed as repository that contains new version of libqtgui ? | 20:47 |
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| Passeli | outs | 20:47 |
| VDVsx | it also depends in the firmware version, afaik | 20:47 |
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| Passeli | did mention to coldboot | 20:48 |
| fiferboy | Passeli: That was coldboot that said that, but I think they are using something other than a repository | 20:48 |
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| Passeli | coldboot: can you explain in more detail the delivery method of your custom qt library? | 20:51 |
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| coldboot | Passeli: A debian package gets put on some server, the client software on a computer downloads those updates, when the nokia tablet connects to the computer, the computer puts those packages on the internal sd card, then the nokia checks for updates on the card and installs them. | 21:01 |
| coldboot | Passeli: So we can push any update as a debian package, and it will get pushed to the nokias whenever they're hooked up to a computer. | 21:02 |
| coldboot | It's not a debian repository, this server. | 21:02 |
| coldboot | It's just a webserver. | 21:02 |
| Passeli | ok | 21:04 |
| Passeli | thanks | 21:04 |
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| zerojay | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:EvaluateTransifex - opinions, please. | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | zerojay: count Mer in | 21:40 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, no camel case. | 21:41 |
| GAN800 | Add a space in there. | 21:41 |
| GAN800 | Hum, did I ever give you admin access? | 21:42 |
| zerojay | Doubt it. | 21:42 |
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| GAN800 | Ah, crap, phone's dying. | 21:42 |
| zerojay | So just underscore between? | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | time to get a N900 | 21:42 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, yeah. | 21:43 |
| Proteous | lol | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: we have a set of part-mer-part-fremantle strings, en_US (by timeless), zh_CN (by dalin) and pl_PL (by tomaszd) on http://gitorious.org/mer-l10n | 21:43 |
| GAN800 | 6 hours of 3G | 21:43 |
| Proteous | not bad | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: which we will gladly participate in experiments on :) | 21:44 |
| VDVsx | GAN800, 5800 ? | 21:44 |
| zerojay | Great, i appreciate that. | 21:44 |
| GAN800 | Yeah, 5800. | 21:45 |
| GAN800 | zerojay, all permissioned up. | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: we were originally going to do a similar thing but didn't find a person to push it through the maemo.org process | 21:45 |
| VDVsx | GAN800, see, not everything is bad :P | 21:45 |
| zerojay | I'm not letting it die, i promise. | 21:45 |
| zerojay | Gan800: thanks | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | i scaringily feel comfortable with the en_US strings in Mer.. they just feel more comfortable :P | 21:46 |
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| zerojay | Is there anything else I should do before throwing it into the task proposals or is it good enough as is? | 21:49 |
| coldboot | How long does a build of qt-maemo take for you guys on ARM in sb1? | 21:49 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Did it take long for you? | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: To get to what point? I have never done a full build... | 21:50 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: I think you can check the OBS logs for the mer build, or the build logs for maemo extras | 21:50 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Ah you just built libQtGui.so.* and copied it over, right? I'm trying to dpkg-buildpackage. | 21:50 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Yes | 21:51 |
| coldboot | Is there a way to build only libqtgui4*.deb? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | zerojay: it could be interesting to see if Transifex guys want to help out too | 21:51 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Not really. You can disable some stuff like WebKit in the config line, that would help | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | they might have a professional interest in this on their resumes. | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | (in required) | 21:51 |
| zerojay | They appear to. | 21:51 |
| zerojay | As i said below | 21:51 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: When I tried doing that before, it broke the build process... | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 21:52 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: What did you take out? | 21:54 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: When I put `-make libs` and stuff in the ./configure params, it broke. | 21:55 |
| coldboot | I kept adding more -make lines to try to get it to work, but it kept failing. | 21:55 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Ah. I'm not sure what effect taking out WebKit would have, but I am going to try it sometime | 21:55 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:05 |
| lcuk | hi | 22:06 |
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| Luke-Jr | that's what she said! | 22:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here have the latest fremantle sdk installed? | 22:17 |
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| zerojay | Would if i could, but i don't run debian. :( | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | install virtualbox | 22:32 |
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| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, beta 2 here | 22:45 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 22:46 |
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| woglinde | he javis | 23:57 |
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