IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-08-12

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qwerty12_N810Buy EU then. =) No tool (publically) exists to change the information saying that your tablet is an US one. When your tablet starts up, it runs a program that sets the channel information based on what the tablet's region is00:00
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michaelmis there a way to adjust that ? so that it includes Japan?00:01
mardi__anyone else tempted by the expansys £130 for N810 deal?00:01
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woglinde mardi__ hm you get an omap3 board for this money00:12
mardi__good point00:12
zerojayWish people wouldn't smoke in bus shelters, ugh.00:13
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qwerty12_N810Wish people wouldn't smoke anywhere. :(00:13
zerojayYeah, that too.00:14
zerojayJust makes the wait that much worse.00:14
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gogolurg dbus.  how to start and stop applications with it, anyone?00:22
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alteregoIf I had a penny :)00:22
gogoli want to restart fring when n810 connects to a new network...but it's all guesswork because there's no documentation on the calls i can find.00:23
qwerty12_N810Use conler and a python script which'll do the osso_rpc call00:24
gogolconler only works for wlan00:24
gogolwanna do bt too.00:25
zerojayI have to do the same thing with mauku.00:25
qwerty12_N810dbus-scripts is pretty generic00:25
qwerty12_N810(should be in extras)00:25
gogolyeah i have it but can;t grok it.  i dont know where to start.00:26
qwerty12_N810I don't have my phone tethered to the N810 but running dbus-monitor before your connecting your phone should tell you what events you need to look for00:26
gogoli'll give that another shot. appreciate your insight thanks :)00:29
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gogolfunny you can't ctrl-c dbus-monitor. == dbus-monitor >> file &; tail -f file. goofy.00:40
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gogolzerojay, how do you accomplish it w/ mauku? or is it wlan and conler?00:43
zerojayQuit and relaunch after reconnect00:45
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gogol^^ the disgusting issue with buying a used tablet00:51
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gogolstylus all toothmarked, yech00:51
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javispedroI knew it!00:53
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qwerty12_N810Harmattan will not exist. WinMo will take its place.00:53
javispedroTell us Maemo is going to be the revolutionary OS that will bring them all under one dark lord.00:53
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javispedrothen stab us in the back and use WinMO!!00:53
* javispedro goes to check when the stabbing is in his local timezone...00:54
wazddamn, zune HD Ui is pretty cool00:55
javispedroheh. So now Qt will allow devs to target Symbian, WinMo and Maemo00:55
wazdI like that "press" style00:55
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qwerty12_N810First Intel, and now Microshit.00:58
javispedroyes! Nokia is going to be as slashdot-hated as Novell.00:58
wazddamn, that's really fresh UI!00:59
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javispedro"Those menu shots look amazing though. They really reveal the power behind that Tegra. Woooeeee." they haven't seen liqbase01:00
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wazdjavispedro: in fact theres not so much horsepower and shader effects as just plain sytle work01:03
woglindebut thats not windwos mobil01:04
johnsqsimple bitmap as background does the same job01:04
javispedrowell, they have loads of fluid kinetic scrolling01:04
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javispedrobut to say that is due to "Tegra's power" is...01:05
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wazdwoglinde: no, but htat prooves that Redmond guys can make sexy stuff too :)01:07
javispedroany bets which kind of bad news will come from that microsoft nokia "announcement"? :)01:07
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coldbootWhat announcement?01:07
wazdjavispedro: "Hello. We hate each other. Goodbye."01:07
lcukthey put a LOT of thought into who was presenting that01:08
lcukwazd, you notice he had long nails01:08
lcukhe was using a finger stylus :)01:08
wazdlcuk: I was hypnotised with UI :)01:08
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wazdlcuk: it has capacitive screen, multitouch01:08
wazdlcuk: so no nails alllowed :)01:09
lcukthe guy is using his nail01:09
wazdDamn, maybe I should buy this Zune just to look at the UI :D01:09
wazdL love that multi-layer pop-art style01:10
wazdlcuk: it's capacitive ts01:11
wazdlcuk: nothing but finger will work01:11
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javispedroengadget: "The creation of MaeWinMo?"01:12
wazdjavispedro: well, in some proportions it would be great :)01:13
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javispedroas probable as an announcement telling us they've built a time machine and are using it to bring Fred Flintsone back to the future.01:14
woglindehm maybee qt wince01:14
qwerty12_N810Pocket IE sucked more ass than MicroB (and that's saying something)01:14
javispedrowoglinde, that'd be my guess too01:14
jaskai was just about to suggest pocket ie for maemo01:14
woglindemaybee the zune is using wince qt01:15
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javispedroor maybe they're going to do what vmware did and dual boot wince and maemo on the n800 ;)01:17
qwerty12_N810Do Nokia really wish to be associated with
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VDVsxlcuk, oh my :
javispedroa standard joke in the restaurant chain industry goes, “When in doubt, throw cheese and bacon on it.”01:28
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zerojayPCPop quiz: screenshot tool?01:33
gogolwhat do i win01:34
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gogolprb not on tablets, but...01:35
javispedroladies and gentleman, tmo thread about the "announcement" is now open!01:35
gogolfn-prtsc on xp! mspaint.exe! ctrl-v!01:35
gogol<---toaster oven!01:36
zerojayPCThat's pretty helpful for taking screenshots of the tablet. ;)01:36
gogoleh, advanced cpu mon or whatev01:36
* qwerty12_N810 has a fondness for the load-applet, available in Extras01:36
gogolwhiskey makes these things hard to remember01:37
gogolthat's the one01:37
zerojayPCI could have sworn there was a small little dedicated app for it. Hm.01:37
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qwerty12_N810A standalone, command line one is the maemo-screenshot-tool, I believe, and a standalone GUI one would be the mh-shot-tool01:38
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zerojayPCWhich I cannot find. Um.01:39
zerojayPCload-applet should be good enough for the moment anyways.01:40
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johnsqi use xuwd on normal systems01:41
zerojayPCStskeeps: Say something.01:41
gogolis it bad form to force debian armel packages to install?01:41
gogolim sure it is.01:42
gogolthey work fine, however.  probably half what ive installed has been in this fashion.01:42
zerojayPCoh boy.01:42
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qwerty12_N810scrot compiles cleanly in a scratchbox anyway. I used to use it when I butchered hildon-desktop to run it when pressing F601:43
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gogolive recently sold out and went back to a butchered xp as main os. cant really do scratchbox anymore...01:43
gogolnow that im back wanting to compile things it _hurts_01:44
zerojayPCI can't even fathom going back to Windows.01:44
zerojayPCIt's been... almost.. damn, almost 10 years now.01:44
* lcuk never left01:44
qwerty12_N810I did the same (Ubuntu -> XP (getting WiFi working was a PITA) but  I just fire up VMware01:44
gogolmakes sense when you want to play games and such. when you want your life to be easy.01:45
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zerojayPCFunny, I find it much easier on the Linux side.01:45
johnsqgogol: windows and easy *lol*01:45
gogolyou think?01:45
gogoldepends on your hardware i guess01:45
zerojayPCOld as shit.01:45
zerojayPCThe next tablet will run rings around my current home PC.01:46
zerojayPCAnd I really can't see myself ever buying another PC ever again anyways.01:46
zerojayPCOr any desktop/laptop.01:47
gogolwell i spent two years getting a 233mhz dell to run damnsmalllinux. the wireless adapter was the worst. and there was always something that needed me to write some bash or perl to get it to work.01:47
zerojayPCNever had that issue.01:47
gogolsometimes you get sick of hacking and just want it to fsking WORK already.01:47
zerojayPCEverything I had worked straight out of the box without even needing to compile a kernel module, period.01:48
zerojayPCMade a lot of my Windows friends jealous.01:48
gogolnicer hardware i assume..?01:48
gogolmine was worth maybe 20 bux on ebay01:48
zerojayPCBetter than a 233mhz dell, sure. ;)01:48
gogolshucks, i be POOR01:48
* gogol paid for the n810 washing dishes!01:49
zerojayPCI paid for it by getting the developer discount and then waiting a year before the code would finally WORK.01:49
gogoli envy you.01:50
zerojayPCAfter almost a full year, I got a package in the mail from Quim.. a N810 free to make up for the whole problem with the developer discount code not working for 10 months.01:50
zerojayPCAnd I sold my N800 right when I got my discount code for the N810.01:50
zerojayPCSo I was almost a year without a tablet at all.01:51
zerojayPCSo no... don't envy me. lol01:51
gogolid love to go to school and study. hope y'all appreciate your uber lifestyles of the awesome and nerdy01:51
gogolor fly out to amsterdam or whereever for the maemo con01:52
zerojayPCI'd love to do that, but I doubt I'd get sponsored.01:52
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gogolsounds like a blast, a whole building full of nerds with NITs!01:52
zerojayPCHell yeah.01:52
zerojayPCSure does sound like a great time.01:52
gogolMITM central!01:52
zerojayPCI'm not sure I would be able to go anyways... gotta present a demo to Ubisoft around that time so...01:53
zerojayPCJust hope there will be plenty of liveblogging going on.01:53
gogolsure there will, sigh01:54
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zerojayPCGeneralAntilles: Hahaha.01:55
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woglindegood nite01:56
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mmu_screenis it normal git takes ages to clone ?02:03
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mmu_screendamn, can't even get a snapshot :-(02:08
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qwerty12_N810Snapshot works here. BTW, are you mmu_man?02:11
mmu_screenI am02:12
qwerty12_N810Your work is awesome :)02:12
mmu_screen;a=snapshot;h=HEAD;sf=tgz I just an html with the menu02:12
mmu_screenthx :p02:13
zerojayPC <-- someone forgot to take his pill today.02:13
mmu_screenat least I'm the only one mmu_man I know :p02:13
lcukmmu_screen, appears as though there is a glitch if you access snapshots via garage git pages02:13
lcukwe noticed yesterday if you use git.maemo.org02:14
lcukand find the project02:14
lcukthe snapshot worked02:14
lcukmight be same problem02:14
mmu_screenah ok thx02:14
mmu_screenworks there02:15
* lcuk nods02:15
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Macerstill editing this blog article02:17
Macerthis shit is going to take a week to write02:17
Macerand i haven't even gotten to the juicy stuff yet heh02:18
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zerojayPCI'm sitting here waiting for certain people to start talking so I can attempt to reproduce a bug.02:19
zerojayPCYes, an IRC plugin bug that won't be fixed, but hey.02:19
Macerand irc plugin in what?02:20
qwerty12_N810You're crazy for not using a real client :P02:20
zerojayPCThe telepathy-idle IRC plugin for Maemo.02:20
Macernever used telepathy02:20
zerojayPCqwerty12_N810: I prefer the integration. :)02:20
Macernot for irc at least02:21
MacerzerojayPC: heh. i'm usually the same way02:21
Macerdidn't know there was a plugin for it ;)02:21
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qwerty12_N810Heh, fair enough :)02:21
zerojayPCIt's in RTCOMM.02:21
Macerwhat does it do?02:21
zerojayPCThe plugin?02:21
Macercrash when someone with ` in their name sends something onto irc?02:22
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Macer` ` ` ` ` `02:22
zerojayPCNo... for some reason, certain people's names just don't show up when they talk.02:22
zerojayPCFor example, Stskeeps.02:22
Macerare you sure it's not a font color thing? ;)02:22
zerojayPCAll of his messages to the channel appear as channel events and don't have his name prefixed, so you can't tell who is saying what.02:23
zerojayPCMacer: 100% sure. :)02:23
Macerok. just checking02:23
Macerlike maybe everybody who starts with "S" uses a white font and you have a white background02:23
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Maceror maybe the app uses random coloring for different nicks02:24
zerojayPCYeah, it's not like that. There's just no text for his name written at all... no blank empty space either.02:24
Macerin order to keep things seperated02:24
Maceryeah that is odd02:24
Macermaybe he has some odd ascii character in his nick that nobody knows about02:24
Macerwhat's the name of the app?02:24
zerojayPCI was seeing it last night and I neglected to take a screenshot, so I'm sitting here just waiting for him or someone else to talk.02:24
zerojayPCMacer: It's just the default internet chat program.02:24
Macercan i install it from application manager? i'll do that and see if i can reproduce it02:24
qwerty12_N810Maybe it dislikes Danes =)02:25
Macerqwerty12_N810: well. he'll be a pole soon02:25
zerojayPCMe too. Especially that Claire Danes.02:25
Macerso i'm sure it has something to do with that02:25
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MacerzerojayPC: hm. where do i find the plugin?02:25
zerojayPCThe installer is in extras, I think.02:26
Macerand what's the installer called?02:26
Macerjust irc plugin?02:26
zerojayPCRTCOMM Installer Beta, I believe.02:27
zerojayPCInstalls other plugins as well, such as MSN support.02:27
Macernot seeing it ;)02:27
zerojayPCNice having that integration without needing Pidgin.02:27
Macerand i have all the repositories02:27
zerojayPCOh, there's another repo for that maybe.02:28
zerojayPCcheck out I think.02:28
zerojayPCThe repo might be there.02:28
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zerojayPCLooks like the Nokia/Microsoft thing is an announcement for Office coming to Nokia phones.02:31
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zerojayPCGAN800: Hey.. say something quick.02:33
Macerit's trying to install teh installer now02:33
Macerinstalling an installer hah02:33
zerojayPCRead the warnings on the RTCOMM site, by the way.02:34
Maceruh oh02:34
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qwerty12_N810Stskeeps uses irssi BTW, if that helps02:35
Macerqwerty12_N810: 80% of irc does02:35
MacerzerojayPC: but i'd like the point out that it is beta ;)02:35
lcukthe other 40% still use microsoft excell to chat in irc02:36
Macerit's right in teh pkg name02:36
GAN800zerojayPC, quick!02:36
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zerojayPCGAN800: Thanks. Helped me find another bug that won't be fixed. ;)02:36
GAN800zerojayPC, it's all about keeping score now. :D02:37
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GAN800Gotta have a number we can parade out. ;)02:37
zerojayPCOn my PC, I saw you join and it showed your name as "GAN800"... tablet said it was "gan800" in lowercase.. but uppercase when you spoke.02:37
zerojayPCNot hard to see I used to do QA work, is it? :/02:37
Macerhow do i join a # ;)02:39
Macerit is connected to freenode now. do i just add a # as a contact or something?02:39
GAN800zerojayPC, I learned to do QA work thanks to Maemo. :(02:39
zerojayPCMacer: choose "New Chat" from the contacts menu.02:39
zerojayPCIn the window that comes up, choose the "Join Chat Room" from the File menu or similar.02:40
zerojayPCSelect the IRC account, then type in the chatroom name #maemo.02:40
zerojayPCGAN800: Granted, doing QA work on games is slightly different than the tablets, but eh..02:40
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MaceN810that is a lot of steps for irc02:40
zerojayPCHeh.. it showed your name as "maceN810" on my tablet when you joined.02:41
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GAN800zerojayPC, I sometimes think about testing games like Oblivion while playing. . . .02:41
GAN800I'd kill myself, I think.02:41
MaceN810shouldnt it?02:41
zerojayPCIt's definitely not what most people expect it to be.02:41
zerojayPCMaceN810: No, it should be "MaceN810".02:41
MaceN810hold on. need su8w02:42
zerojayPCPoor Andre... he's going to grow to hate me and my pickiness. :)02:42
GAN800The number of combinations you have to test for for one simple mission. . . .02:42
GAN800No thanks.02:42
andre___zerojayPC, not at all :)02:42
MaceN810hav to disable the sound for this02:42
GAN800zerojayPC, buy him a beer at the Summit and all will be well.02:42
zerojayPCandre___: Good. ;)02:43
MaceN810that chirping would drive me crazy02:43
andre___but i take the beer, yeah :-P02:43
MaceN810but this is pretty nice zerojayPC02:43
zerojayPCGAN800: Would if I could, but I doubt I'll be out there to give it to him. :)02:43
MaceN810i like the integration too02:43
zerojayPCMaceN810: Yeah, it's simple, but it works. It's not bad.02:43
MaceN810but the noise02:43
MaceN810i need to find out where to disable that02:43
GAN800zerojayPC, you apply for sponsorship?02:43
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zerojayPCGAN800: No, I haven't. I haven't really been around the community all that much recently, so I don't think I'd feel right taking it from someone else that's been more deserving.02:44
zerojayPCBut we'll see.02:44
MaceN810that's better02:44
zerojayPCMaybe I'll apply anyways.02:44
MaceN810yah.. this is way better than xchat ;)02:44
MaceN810zerojayPC, thanks02:44
MaceN810now let's see if these names disappear02:45
MaceN810where's sts when you need him?02:45
GAN800zerojayPC, do.02:45
zerojayPCYeah, think I will.02:45
zerojayPCBetter apply for my passport then, eh? lol02:46
GAN800Since if I have any say in it (and I might just ;)) I'd definitely approve.02:46
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GAN800Yeah, me too. . . .02:46
zerojayPCThanks, I appreciate hearing that.02:46
GAN800Hopefully Nokia doesn't screw you over again. :D02:46
GAN800They're going to book tickets for you in pengunbait's name or something.02:47
GAN800Holy fuck.02:48
GAN800Scientology commercials now. . . .02:48
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MaceN810still seeing names02:49
MaceN810maybe it was a fluke ;)02:49
zerojayPCGotta wait for the big names to start talking.02:51
zerojayPCMaybe they were ops at the time.. dunno.02:51
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zerojayPCThere's definitely something screwy though.02:51
GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, which of my bitter trollings were you laughing at today? ;)02:52
zerojayPCGeneralAntilles: Oh, the wonderful one towards the um.... "open source advocate". ;)02:52
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GeneralAntillesAh, yes, dropping support for 4-year-old $4,000 machines is TOTALLY valid.02:56
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zerojayPCNo, not that one.. the other message he left where he says "Nokia to abandon open source?"02:58
zerojayPCMoron, haha.02:58
GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, yeah, sorry, I understood, just moving on to another piece of Talk idiocy. ;)02:58
zerojayPCGeneralAntilles: Oh, do link me.02:59
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zerojayPCoh yeah. Heh.03:01
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javispedro"Mobile Office"?03:06
zerojayPCGAN800: - Consider yourself a star now. ;)03:06
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GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, :D03:06
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GeneralAntillesI'd counter with the karma page, but I'm just too lazy in my preening. ;)03:07
javispedrozerojay, that's some bug they might call a "feature"03:07
* GeneralAntilles needs another product or something to jump out in front of Tim again.03:07
zerojayPCjavispedro: It's a feature that the nick is incorrect only in join messages for strings of capital letters at the start of someone's nick? :)03:07
javispedroclear intentional03:08
javispedro*clearly intentional03:08
zerojayPCUm.. alright. You'll have to explain that one to me. :)03:08
javispedrothey were probably thinking in random msn users with ALLCAP nicks destroying that beautiful serenity of the builtin chat application03:08
GeneralAntillesEvery bug is a feature in Maemo.03:08
GeneralAntillesIt's the rough edges that make us love it, right?03:08
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GeneralAntillesForgot about the 360 update today.03:09
zerojayPCMaemo would different if I was working over there. lol03:09
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GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, unlikely.03:09
zerojayPCWell... the rough edges would mostly already be gone anyways. ;)03:09
GeneralAntillesUnless you're talking high enough up. ;)03:09
GeneralAntillesWe've got plenty of dedicated people in Maemo SW, but management seems (perhaps fatally) clueless.03:10
zerojayPCjavispedro: Haha.03:10
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: No "Freemantle" bashing in your latest post? ;O03:10
javispedrowith Maemo you're never bored. there's always something waiting for you to fix it.03:10
GeneralAntillesIt's taken Ari waaay too long to start getting open source. . . .03:10
javispedrotake that iphone!03:10
zerojayPCjavispedro: Here I was thinking all the good stuff was already gone. ;)03:10
javispedroi could pass you a list ;)03:11
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javispedrodue to my limited brain RAM it's only sized for one element03:11
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, I'd try to correct people if a half-dozen idiots and trolls (YoDude at the forefront. . . .) didn't jump down my throat every time.03:11
javispedroactually: fix dead keys in QT03:11
javispedrowill probably give it a try when I get bored of mario kart03:11
zerojayPCHave them send me the new tablet... an emulator. I want to tear it apart and find all these stupid little bugs before it goes public. I don't like feeling embarrassed by this shit.03:11
GeneralAntillesHypocrites are exciting.03:11
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: Heh :\03:12
GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, they're probably already in maintenance by now.03:12
zerojayPCGeneralAntilles: Yeah, I know, and that bothers me.03:12
javispedro(true though :P)03:12
GeneralAntillesI'm ready to help timeless out with a replacement string set after release, though.03:12
GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, have you used his replacement strings?03:12
zerojayPCNo, I hadn't heard about it at all until this past week.03:13
zerojayPCIf there's someone I would trust doing that, it's him.03:13
* qwerty12_N810 would install them again but they're US English. I can't comprehend US English :-(03:13
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GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, they're so much better.03:14
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, make your own EN_gb shit, then. :P03:14
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zerojayPCGeneralAntilles: I don't doubt it.03:15
pupnikwhat was the simple way to set up a 770 on a stereo and stream audio to it03:15
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qwerty12_N810Haha, they'd almost certainly be worse or full of swearing03:15
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, you happen to have a link around?03:15
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, ping?03:15
pupnikprobably redirecting through esd03:15
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: They should be in -devel03:15
zerojayPCAlways feels like we're a few steps behind when it comes to stuff like that and I'm getting really annoyed by it.03:15
zerojayPCIt may say Nokia on the hardware, but this whole thing is as much mine as theirs as far as I'm concerned... and I want in on being able to fix and file bugs ASAP.03:16
* zerojayPC community pride!03:16
GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, think those are old.03:16
pupniknice find qwerty12_N81003:16
qwerty12_N810Oh, he made newer ones?03:17
GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, yeah, if only that feeling were closer to reality in how things worked right now. :(03:17
zerojayPCYeah... that's why I wanna push the localization of the strings being open ASAP.03:18
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zerojayPCAnd I hope more will follow.03:18
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qwerty12_N810If he put out newer ones, they'd most likely be in: (somewhere...)03:19
GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, sadly the strings are too confidential.03:20
qwerty12_N810msgunfmt anyone?03:20
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zerojayPCGeneralAntilles: Yes, we all know how important it is to keep "Are you sure you want to delete want to this email?" from the public. ;)03:21
zerojayPCI'm joking but yeah, I know what you mean.03:21
pupnikcats like string.03:23
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pupnikwonder if that's where 'cat' came from03:23
GeneralAntillesNetflix party viewing is genius.03:24
javispedroI assume they fear "Are you sure you want to enable the ultimate ray gun secretly present on our super-secret device every indonesia resident knows about?"-like strings03:25
javispedrobut can't think of any like that in current diablo, so I guess you're right...03:25
GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, well, things relating to cellular voice. ;)03:26
GeneralAntillesOr any of the other unannounced features.03:26
zerojayPCI'd sign an NDA.03:27
* zerojayPC throws it on top of the pile of others.03:27
zerojayPCBut yeah.03:28
* zerojayPC sigh.03:28
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gogolirc makes wifi get down and suck it03:31
gogoljiggle tonsils for reconecting03:32
gogolsuk nickserv till he blow03:33
gogolok i should logout enuf whiskey to make ur mom sick.03:33
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AStormpoor guy... can't get proper wifi03:34
AStormmy home AP is weak in places too, I blame electrical wiring and door frames03:34
AStorm*electric actually03:35
AStormand the cheapness of it, some DLink junk03:36
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AStormas for the strings, I guess they're afraid that the feature set is out too soon03:37
AStormlike, say, their new GPS app, GSM app and so03:37
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zerojayPCWhat is the "Groups" part of the karma calculation?03:38
zerojayPCWhere does that come from? What does it measure exactly?03:38
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GeneralAntilleszerojayPC, Garage projects.03:47
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* javispedro wins 50cc mushroom cup in mario kart in his n81003:51
javispedroso it is definitely playable03:51
zerojayPCWin Special Cup on 150cc. Then you can tell me it's playable. ;)03:52
pupnikyou fixed the ai?03:52
pupniki'm guessing you don't want to use xsp pixel doubling hack :)03:52
zerojayPCjavispedro: I'm interested in seeing how fast you've got it if you've got a package available.03:53
pupniksee mplayer, fms libs or liqubase lib for that screen-res change thing03:53
zerojayPCDoes it take advantage of the SNES Advance speedhacks database?03:53
javispedrof*ck modest in the background03:54
MaceN810just out of curiosity...03:54
javispedropupnik, yes, I fixed the AI03:54
javispedrooops pause button is not working03:55
javispedroheh lost anyway03:55
MaceN810is the driver/app that contrils the blimking led on an n8x0 closed too?03:55
pupnikyou can control it manually - from shell03:55
zerojayPCjavispedro: If you don't know about the speedhack database, it's basically a list of ROM checksums that the emulator can check against and then apply the code patches to the ROM after loaded into RAM.03:56
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zerojayPCjavispedro: Made specifically to speed up games that are far too slow normally.03:56
javispedropupnik, it was my initial plan to use xsp03:56
javispedrozerojay, snesadvance.dat?03:56
pupnikxsp works well enough if you detect app losing focus03:56
javispedroI was wondering how's performance going to be03:56
javispedroif I write03:56
javispedrosome fixed scalers in arm for common resolutions03:57
infobotjavispedro meant: some fixed scalers in asm for common resolutions03:57
pupniksdl updates 800x480 at up to about 22fps03:57
javispedropupnik, it goes up to 60fps at the mario kart title screen03:58
pupnikiirc - on n8x003:58
pupnikgood stuff03:58
javispedro(no scaling, orig snes resolution)03:58
javispedrodo you have n810?03:58
pupnikit should really run snes games (w/o coprocessor) fullspeed03:58
zerojayPCjavispedro: That's the one.03:58
pupnikhelpful to have that keyboard :)03:58
javispedrogood, cause for now I only have barebones hardcoded key mapping :)03:58
zerojayPCOn PS3 Linux, we have absolutely no acceleration at all... 2d or 3d.. not even X acceleration.03:59
zerojayPCSo what I do is run all games at their original resolution and use a scaler program that runs on a separate SPE unit on the PS3 to upscale to 1080P.03:59
javispedrozerojay, will definitely be interesting to implement snesadvance.dat support (afaik it's the only way to play sa-1 games)04:00
zerojayPCOffsets the cost of scaling from the CPU... more speed.04:00
javispedrothere's some code from a (spanish btw) random guy floating around some random forum04:00
pupnikhow bout you leave your build as is, and have someone make a frontend to symlink chosen game to ~/test.smc :)04:00
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javispedropupnik, i will _not_ write a single GUI line in C, so that's the plan ;)04:00
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pupnikwell you can take a cmd line game :)04:01
pupnikbut the symlink would be funny04:01
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: Yeah, it's crap.04:01
javispedroyep, currently taking disable audio, show fps and rom name from cmdline04:01
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: I compiled all the mesa and Gallium3D and cell drivers and there's barely any noticable help yet.04:02
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: I can run glxgears at 195fps with that. :/04:02
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javispedropupnik, ingame the mario kart performance is more like 20 fps though (according to the snes9x autoframerate code I blatantly copied)04:02
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: It's gonna be a year or so before it might be decent.04:02
javispedrothough mariokart uses dsp1 so it don't know if you consider that a "without accelerators" game.04:03
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Luke-JrzerojayPC: o rly? I'm getting 200 fps in UT304:03
javispedrohum, going to try without sound04:03
javispedrooh, god. hangs on quit.04:04
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: You aren't running UT3 on your PS3 through PS3 Linux.04:04
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Luke-JrzerojayPC: yes i am!04:04
pupnikyes, dsp1 is fairly heavy from what i read04:04
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: You're not using something like StreamMyGame, are you?04:04
pupnikthe other heavy stuff is the 'gpu' and layering with effects04:04
Luke-JrzerojayPC: no, running Linux UT3 on PS3 Linux04:05
javispedrosa-1 being one of the heaviest (unfortunately one of my favourite games, kirby superstar, uses it)04:05
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: I'd love to know how you're doing that with no 3d acceleration. :)04:05
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Luke-JrzerojayPC: like that link says, there's 3D acceleration now04:05
zerojayPCLuke-Jr: Now I know you're full of crap.04:06
zerojayPCThere's not.04:06
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zerojayPCThat link MASSIVELY jumped the gun.04:06
Luke-Jrshrug, works for me04:06
Luke-Jrit's not "full of crap"04:06
Luke-Jrit's "pulling your leg"04:06
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javispedrowell, talk is cheap, going to upload the code and call it a day04:07
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javispedrozerojay, i know nothing about dsps at all ;)04:09
javispedrospecially about the n8x0 one04:09
javispedromy old creative sound card has one, but the dev environment is soooo easy04:09
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ilovemistakeshi all. i am writing an app using liblocation. can i distribute it under gpl?04:10
zerojayPCI can't say I know any more than you do. :)04:10
Luke-Jrilovemistakes: you can, since you're the author. nobody else can.04:12
Luke-Jrilovemistakes: you could distribute it under a GPL-with-exception-for-liblocation04:12
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javispedroah, that faq link is mostly propaganda (no offense, I love the FSF, but was expecting something more serious)04:13
javispedrobut I guess liblocation can be classified as a "system library".04:14
ilovemistakesthank you04:15
javispedrobut isn't liblocation lgpl? that would be a nice question04:15
javispedrothat last question about lgpl made no sense  ;)04:16
javispedroneed to sleep :)04:16
ilovemistakesthat is the point - i cant find any useful information about liblocation04:16
javispedroit's just "closed source"04:17
ilovemistakesand it is licensed to me under Nokia's SDK License04:17
ilovemistakesso, the Purpose is only to port or develop apps04:18
ilovemistakesthat's what i am worried about04:18
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javispedroyou're developing apps ;)04:19
javispedrothey allow you to "use" it under their conditions. your problem is if the standard gpl allows you to release your program under it.04:19
javispedroto which I say: yes, cause it falls under the "system library" exemption (see thousand of windows apps)04:19
javispedroeither way, IANAL.04:20
qwerty12_N810That shouldn't be abbriviated...04:20
javispedroI Am Not A Lawyer, sorry, it's common on slashdot04:20
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ilovemistakesso i can just put my software under gpl, link it with liblocation and distribute it freely (in the means of gpl). right?04:23
javispedroi'm sure there's already  gpl software out there dynamically linking with liblocation, I'm wrong?04:23
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ilovemistakesi don't know, unfortunately i have no tablet, only poor sdk :)04:24
javispedroask the forum for confirmation if you wish, but I still say "yes".04:25
ilovemistakesthank you very much04:25
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javispedropupnik, zerojay, the code ;) :
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pupnikPutting together a PC?   Power-Supply Calculator:
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pupnikPutting together a PC?   Power-Supply Calculator:
pupnikboo @ netsplit05:21
MaceN810sure wish you could add a channel as a contact in rtcom05:22
MaceN810powersupply calculator?05:22
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MaceN810microb sure doesnt render wordpress that well06:09
MaceN810maybe tear can06:10
GeneralAntillesAh, trolls.06:11
MaceN810/nick MaceN81006:11
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MaceN810wtf happened to my nick?06:12
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qwerty12_N810That's why RTCOMM and IRC don't mesh...06:14
* qwerty12_N810 grumbles at not being able to cancel builds. I've sent the Diablo autobuilder into a loop :rolleyes:06:15
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MaceN8x0ok. weird06:20
MaceN8x0had to rm the acct and readd it06:20
MaceN8x0to  fix my nick.. blah06:20
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JaffaMorning, all06:25
GeneralAntillesHello, early Jaffa.06:25
qwerty12_N810Hehe, hi Jaffa06:25
* Jaffa up to catch a flight to Stockholm. Gotta get to Heathrow by about 0600 (95 mins from now)06:26
JaffaâMrs Jaffa's made me a bacon butty for breakfast :)06:27
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qwerty12_N810Don't tell lcuk :)06:27
pupnikenjoy jaffa06:28
MaceN8x0and now it is broken again06:29
MaceN8x0i keep losing my capital letter06:30
MaceN8x0well. guess thnis rtcom isnt so cool afterall heh06:30
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zerojayPCMace_N8x0: Your nick was fine.07:12
zerojayPCIt's the bug I filed.07:12
zerojayPCIt makes people joining look like their names start with lowercase.07:12
zerojayPCJust on the tablet.07:12
zerojayPC[23:54] <MaceN8x0> wtf07:12
zerojayPC[23:54] <MaceN8x0> and now it is broken again07:12
Mace_N8x0wordpress is killing microb07:12
zerojayPC[23:55] <MaceN8x0> i keep losing my capital letter07:12
zerojayPC[23:55] <MaceN8x0> well. guess thnis rtcom isnt so cool afterall heh07:12
zerojayPCWordpress is fine for me on microb.07:12
divide_by_zeroi wish we could use GOPHER more...07:14
Mace_N8x0my nick is fine now heh07:14
Mace_N8x0wordpress is kiling me07:14
Mace_N8x0the editing is beyond slow07:14
Mace_N8x0and the cursor jumps arounf wehn trying to edit stuff07:15
zerojayPCUse Maemo WordPy.07:15
Mace_N8x0like if i hit bold07:15
Mace_N8x0damn. didnt think about that07:15
GAN800Wordpress is JS hell.07:16
Mace_N8x0wordpress client07:16
Mace_N8x0anything that doesnt use python?07:16
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* divide_by_zero just found out fennec actually supports gopher, HORRAY!!! down with the microb, mammals are the best!07:19
Mace_N8x0microb is such a speedwhore07:20
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Mace_N8x0is there a way to view this without the http stuff?07:34
divide_by_zerowhat stuff?07:35
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Mace_N8x0like to view it like the browser editor?07:36
Mace_N8x0ah well, this will have to do til now07:39
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Mace_N8x0guess i will just put the stuff in by hand07:39
zerojayWhat stuff?07:40
pupnikdon't encourage this zerojay07:40
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divide_by_zerohow do I create an icon to run a python script, or at least execute if from the file manager?...08:16
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divide_by_zeroanswering myself, Personal Menu seems to be the way to go...08:52
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timelessgan: ok so09:06
timelesscolloquy is unhappy09:06
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Stskeepsmorning timeless09:07
timelessgan: i think the latest strings i have are either in some zip somewhere (probably indeed on webwizardry) or in a .hg thing that i gave to stskeeps09:08
timelessalthough  the .hg thing is more for fremantle09:08
Stskeepswe have the mer strings on now (work in progress for later transifex stuff)09:10
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timelessooh, cool09:10
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timelessare you committing things in my email address?09:11
timeless_mbpif you're committing my strings, the committer should really say :)09:12
Stskeepsif we can in git, -- we committed a new tree structure so09:15
* timeless_mbp wonders if gitorious doesn't like ohloh09:16
Stskeepsyou are obviously in copyright notice09:16
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timeless_mbpwell that's good, but oddly i'm more interested in looking good in ohloh than i am in having a proper copyright notice :)09:17
Stskeepssure, - find a way to alter who committed - i invited you for the discussion when we were working on it :)09:19
timeless_mbperr, on irc or by mail?09:20
Stskeepswas a short discussion09:21
timeless_mbpsorry i missed it09:21
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timeless_mbpso.... from a debian perspective...09:22
timeless_mbpgiving each package its own repo "is proper"09:22
timeless_mbpfrom my perspective, it's mostly a pain in my ass :)09:22
timeless_mbpi suppose that if git has a forest manager it might be more or less ok09:23
Stskeepsanyway it's not the final layout -- i can find the log for the discussion if you want09:25
timeless_mbpyeah, i probably should read it09:26
Stskeepsscatchup on bottom of
Stskeepsaround 21, me and tomaszd09:28
timeless_mbpyou don't use ? :)09:29
timeless_mbp(colorized !)09:29
timeless_mbpoh, it's mer not maemo09:30
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timeless_mbpoh, you did it for ACL09:34
Stskeepsand transifex matching structure09:34
* timeless_mbp should probably read about transifex09:35
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timeless_mbpfwiw, the gtk20 l10n that nokia had was at least somewhat influenced originally by nokia09:37
timeless_mbpi.e. they managed to screw it up09:37
timeless_mbppersonally, i'd rather the engineering english be on a branch of its own09:38
timeless_mbpinstead of in engb09:38
timeless_mbpbecause we're going to want to support a real engb09:38
timeless_mbpand it won't relate to engineering english09:38
Stskeepsyeah, i think i noted it too09:39
Stskeepsen_EN? ;)09:39
timeless_mbpit isn't English :)09:40
timeless_mbpbut the problem is that ....09:40
timeless_mbpMicrosoft and Nokia are going to announce something today?09:41
Stskeepsoffice for smartphones or something equally insane09:41
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timeless_mbpdumbphones :)09:42
timeless_mbpsmart phones don't do symbian09:42
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Stskeepsthough honestly, if rover could run some edition of office, it would beat all other competitors hands down :P09:43
Stskeepsno matter how unrealistic it is09:43
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timeless_mbpby 'office', you mean 'microsoft office' ?09:54
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chxgiven that gtalk works on my tablet but irc has connection issues and that i have servers does not this sound like a good idea to get irc?10:01
* RST38h moos10:06
RST38hSts: Google online apps should work10:07
StskeepsRST38h: offline apps too10:08
Stskeepsso it doesn't need data often10:08
qwerty12_N810X-Fade: ping10:09
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X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Bastard ;)10:17
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Uploading the .tar.gz as .dsc file ;)10:18
qwerty12_N810Bastard I am, but the Extras Assistant did say it was OK...10:18
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: It seems it doesn't like a 4MB binary file when it expects a text file.10:18
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Hmm interesting..10:19
X-FadeIt should have rejected based on the md5sum in .changes10:20
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X-FadeAnyway, you can submi it again. I removed it from the queue.10:22
qwerty12_N810Please don't tar and feather me again10:22
qwerty12_N810Thank you10:22
timeless_mbpqwerty12_N810: you'd prefer to be tar and zipped?10:22
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Are you coming to the summit?10:22
qwerty12_N810No :)10:23
qwerty12_N810Although this doesn't sound encouraging...10:23
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: You really need to age faster ;)10:23
qwerty12_N810And get a passport it seems :)10:24
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X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: id card not enough?10:24
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qwerty12_N810If an 16+ bus pass counts as one...10:25
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X-Fadeheh ;)10:25
X-FadeSo basically you need somebody to adopt you for the summit ;)10:25
X-FadeAh! Found the bug in the assistant code.10:28
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timeless_mbpqwerty12_N810: you don't have a valid id for traveling to the content?10:30
qwerty12_N810No :\10:30
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RST38hJust get a passport...10:32
X-FadeDid anybody see this gmail app for Maemo already?
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RST38hX-Fade: This is iPhone UI10:33
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X-FadeRST38h: Yep.10:34
RST38hX-Fade: Somebody is running GMail Mobile with iPhone or S60 UI enabled. You can do it too :)10:34
RST38hX-Fade: I think you do not need that Agent string, some argument in the URL should work just as well10:36
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X-FadeRST38h: possibly.10:36
RST38hlet me check...10:36
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RST38hX-Fade: iPhoneish iGoogle:
RST38hX-Fade: All mobile URLs:
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Meizirkkihi flx-usr-dst10:57
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flx-usr-dstI'm new here, can I ask a technical question about maemo?10:58
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andre___flx-usr-dst, don't ask to ask. just ask.10:59
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flx-usr-dstWe have just bought a Nokia N97 and I'm wondering if I can install Maemo on it10:59
andre__heh. i don't think so.11:00
flx-usr-dstthats a pitty11:00
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X-Fadeflx-usr-dst: Just wait a little longer, the upcoming device looks quite like the N97 but with better specs.11:01
flx-usr-dstwhat is the upcoming device?11:02
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t_s_oit seems that the forum is very unreliable these days...11:13
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Mace_N8x0msging in  rtcom doesnt work bydouble clicking the nicks11:59
Mace_N8x0great.. now i have a messed up nick again heh12:01
Mace_N8x0mace_n8x0: great12:01
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X-Fadelol, dutch news paper showing that weird screenshot/mockup:
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aquatixX-Fade: heh :)12:24
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aquatixX-Fade: what do you think, it's the telegraaf ;)12:25
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X-Fadeaquatix: Yeah.12:29
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RST38hJust ONE person? :)12:44
roopeiAm, therefore iPhone.12:44
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wazdhello all12:45
RST38hehlo, wazd, people here can no longer be trolled by mentioning iPhone12:45
RST38hCan you believe it?12:45
wazdRST38h: nowai :)12:47
RazumihiniPhone :(12:47
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RST38halterego: the comments there are weird12:53
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* pupnik wonders how much work it would be to get FLTK2 running on tablet (for next dillo browser)12:55
pupnikdillo is just sooo light12:56
pupnikusually my first choice for opening those suspect irc links12:57
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alteregoHah, I didn't read any comments.13:00
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RST38h(not photoshopped, in case you wonder)13:05
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timeless_mbpNSFW either...13:08
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wazdRST38h: sure bout the link?13:09
wazdRST38h: I just have various "ads" :D13:10
RST38hwazd: shows up for me13:10
RST38hThe "ads" have been taken care of by AdBlock+13:10
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pupniki don't get it - i see an ad for forbes, and this (imho lame) flash video of some woman in short skirt13:16
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pupnikwb javispedro13:18
javispedro(a bit late to say that though)13:18
javispedrodoes pop3s gmail still work for you?13:19
javispedroi don't know what's going on this week but every morning something breaks in my NIT13:19
javispedrothe ssl cert check is (according to modest) failing due to bad signature13:20
wazd <- wow, just wow13:22
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javispedroah, gmail suddenly works again. must've been some google network thing13:27
javispedrowazd, interesting indeed :)13:27
_berto_javispedro: don't know about pop, but at least gmail imap does work13:27
wazdjavispedro: yeah, an we care bout how pretty UI transitions are :)13:35
Andy80javispedro, gmail/pop3 works fine from my N81013:35
javispedroyep, it started working again, so good I didn't accept the "broken" cert.13:36
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zerojayPCMacer: As I told you last night, your nick was NOT actually messed up. Check out bug #4905.13:45
lcukpupnik, videos of ladies in short skirts is never lame :D13:46
timeless_mbp_javispedro: google was having issues w/ mail for about 8hrs recently13:47
lardmanobviously I should have signed in earlier ;)13:47
lcuklol lardman, nahhh you will prolly already have these in your collection :p13:48
lcukand they have all kinds of diseases anyway13:48
* lardman wonders what diseases one can catch from an mpeg13:49
pupniksundry bad memes13:50
pupniki woke up the past two days with songs by the Pixies playing in my head13:51
pupniki'm not complaining though.  good tunes.13:51
lardmanah, I see the problem now :)13:51
lardmangood tune becomes bad tune if it's playing 12h/day though :)13:51
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slonopotamuskvalo, ping13:52
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lbtwazd: great link13:53
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kvaloslonopotamus: pong13:55
lcukwazd, ive seen that video before somewhere, but i recall it having more bacon in it last time13:56
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slonopotamuskvalo, is there a reason why stlc45xx-cal works different from cx3110x wlan-cal?13:56
slonopotamuskvalo, the thing is that i rewrote wlan-cal as oss from scratch, but i guess it isn't usable with stlc45xx driver13:57
kvaloyeah, there is. but I can't say much, if any.13:57
RST38hlcuk: Somebody ate that extra bacon since the last showing? =)13:57
lcukheh, mightv gotten sucked down a black hole!13:58
lcukswirling round and round13:58
slonopotamuskvalo, can you at least say why it has to be different?13:58
lcukom nom nom13:58
lcukdo you think black holes burp and get indigestion13:59
lcukand if so - what color would it be13:59
zerojayBlack holes burp rainbows. Everyone knows that!14:00
kvaloslonopotamus: wrong format in cal. but talk with christian lamparter (p54 maintainer), I'm sure he knows the details and he doesn't have any ndas :)14:01
pupniklcuk, lard[tab] (shit) ... it was a song about the pioneer of aerodynamics, eric eiffel -
kvaloslonopotamus: Christian Lamparter <>14:02
slonopotamuskvalo, 'wrong'? why it's ok for cx3110x but wrong for stlc45xx?14:02
kvaloslonopotamus: talk with christian14:03
slonopotamuskvalo, okay. thanks anyway14:03
kvaloyeah, sorry. my hands are tied with this. if I were able to talk about it, the tool would be open anyway.14:03
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zerojayPCHi ho, hi ho, it's off to work I go...14:05
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pupnikwho u callin14:07
zerojayPeter@Maemo is trying to calm down fears of Maemo replacing Symbian on Twitter.14:08
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aolit's pretty silly rumor anyways14:09
aolbut I can see why people with limited information on things make these conclusions14:09
aolI mean maemo running on low end devices like nokia 5-series?14:09
aolha ha14:09
RST38hzerojay: url?14:10
lardmanI thought one of the compaints against the N97 was that Symbian wasn't really designed for touch screens?14:10
javispedrobut I can't find who is he replying to.14:11
pupnikthere was a rumor in a german online 'news' site14:11
aolthe flagship phone really needs to be maemo in order to compete with iPhone etc14:11
aolbut the low end smart phones, maemo just does not make sense14:11
pupnikMicrosoft Reaches Deal With Nokia on Mobile Version of Office14:12
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pupnikwhoah ...
lardmanhmm, interesting14:12
javispedroit would be great to see MS writing Maemo code, but doubt it :)14:12
aolprobably will be Qt :)14:12
javispedrothat would be great too. which means I doubt it too.14:13
aolI can't see them writing symbian code either :D14:13
javispedroprobably some random browser crap.14:13
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lcukshit - guys do any of you know where i can walk in a shop and get aa charger for my x4114:14
aolwhat is the office app in nokia's now? that company must be pissed now?14:14
RST38hjavis: thanks14:14
javispedrozerojay went to work ;)14:14
javispedroif it's some random javascript crap that company does not have anything to worry about14:15
RST38hlcuk: Any corporate place that standardizes on Thinkpads and has loose security14:15
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lcukcharger snapped this morning14:16
lcukand its my only scratchbox install14:16
RST38hSee, you are not the first one facing this problem14:16
RST38hBTW, Nokia already ships its phones with an MS Office solution14:16
RST38hThe product name is QuickOffice and it is rather decent, given hardware limitations14:17
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javispedrodamn I still own a license from them14:17
* qwerty12_N810 even had that on an N-Gage.14:17
javispedroPalm m130 days..14:17
javispedrowas pretty nice in his day and age (they used HTML 3 as format!)14:18
javispedrobut they stopped supporting it quickly14:18
javispedroand the last palm version is still full of bugs.14:18
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javispedrowhat's wrong is that Android already gets QuickOffice but Maemo doesn't.14:20
javispedroeven though it would've been probably easier to port to Maemo (cause I know the QuickOffice codebase is C/C++)14:20
aolsales potential ?14:20
aolwe cant assume everyone would think Maemo as a phone platform right now14:21
aolnot many developers seem to know how big it's going to be14:21
pupniknot having crystal balls would be a reason14:23
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aolbut todays MS Office annoucement probably doesn't engorauge them to develop the maemo version14:24
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wazdI cant look at WSJ page without smile :)14:24
wazdShut up! :D14:24
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lardmanhmm, need to go into work, drat!14:26
lardmansee you all later14:26
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pupnikIf RX51 has that FM transmitter, that will be the wedge to open my wallet...14:30
pupnikeven though FM frequency response craps out at what... 12khz?14:30
wazdpupnik: 64 I think14:31
pupnikand the flush screen looks like a real design "win"14:31
pupnikhehe not 64khz :)14:31
wazdI wonder if there's a compass :)14:31
aolFM transmitter is a standard N-series feature nowadays ... so no suprise14:32
X-Fadewazd: I wonder about that too.14:32
pupnikFM radio is restricted (by FCC regulation) to a frequency response of 30-15kHz14:32
aolN97 has compass right? I guess this should not be worse :)14:33
javispedroN97 has compass?14:34
javispedrowow, it's true.14:34
javispedrook i'm sold.14:34
RazumihinEvery phone that features motion sensors have the possibility for compass.14:34
X-FadeThere are N-series phones with compass.14:34
X-FadeRazumihin: No?14:34
aolcompass is done with a magnetometer14:34
aolaccelerometers cant do this14:35
alteregoThey can tell you which way is down though :)14:35
* javispedro needs to publish something to then ask for dev unit ;) 14:35
aolalterego: sure :)14:35
X-Fadealterego: Not even that.14:35
alteregoEvery device should know which way is down.14:35
RazumihinI thought they use accelerometers parts for that.14:35
aolyeah accelerometers tell which way is down IF you're not otherwise moving... on a car in racetrack you cant :)14:35
RazumihinBut yes n97 has a compass, haven't played with it lot but seems to work.14:35
X-FadeRazumihin: There is no way to know where you started then.14:35
alteregoIt would be pretty impossible to use an accelerometer for that.14:35
javispedroacceleromters can't detect orientation other than up->down (they use earth gravity for that)14:35
wazdRazumihin: they measure acceleration, thats all14:36
javispedroanswer overflow :D14:36
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Stskeeps'lo zerojay14:36
pupnikNokia 9300i had a *swank* keyboard
aolI'd wish there would be gyroscopes too14:36
pupnikand look, a little dpad that probably would work great with emus14:36
aolbut I guess it's bit too far fetched .... but gyroscopes would be great for my app... and games :)14:37
Razumihindn97 could have better keyboard though...14:37
javispedromaybe we're looking at a shot of the rx-71? ;)14:37
wazdpupnik: well, arrow pad is good too14:37
wazdpupnik: I'd rather bind wasd for arrows14:37
Razumihinit's better than n810 but lot worse than 950014:37
wazdpupnik: cause it's on the left14:37
aolE90 keyboard would be good enough for me14:37
javispedrowow compass. yet another cool feature. hope it's true.14:38
Razumihin(and scandinavian letters don't have their dedicated buttons and that really sucks)14:38
aolI hate the N97 kb :(14:38
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Stskeepszerojay: so my nickname just shows blank or just white? :P14:38
RazumihinIt's not that bad really. I've got used to it pretty well. I just hope it would be just a little bit faster to type on.14:38
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pupniki wonder what gps would cost if it were privately funded14:39
zerojayStskeeps not now... Someone else this time.14:40
zerojayPerson before pup.14:40
zerojayWho is it?14:40
RazumihinWorst thing in n97 is the instability and missing ctrl and escape keys :)14:40
javispedroyou mean him ^^^ ?14:40
zerojayWho is that?14:41
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zerojayGot a screenshot14:41
RazumihinGreat my nick is enlightened.14:41
javispedrofirst char upper case, like Stskeeps14:41
JaffaMorning, all14:41
zerojayMight be the trigger.14:41
pupnikmorning Jaffa14:42
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pupnik"Qt is also a good move for Maemo. The old GTK+ apps will still run, but Qt has much better cross platform support. It means that a developer can write for Qt and have her/his app run on Windows, Linux, Mac OS X on the desktop, and on Symbian S60, Windows Mobile and Maemo in the mobile space." - influenza from engaget comments14:43
javispedroI suck at threading. Only two threads and I am already causing loads of deadlocks14:46
SpCombthe fewer threads the better14:47
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javispedroSDL_Audio forces me to one gfx thread and one audio thread, which (knowing how esd works) may be a good thing14:47
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Veggenjavispedro: I am prone to thread starvation, because I tend to prioritize what delays others, especially when it takes me relatively short time.14:48
Veggenoh, you didn't mean on the personal plan? ;P14:48
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javispedroI didn't :P14:48
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zerojayHere's what I saw earlier:
zerojayRaz just IS the channel, lol14:51
pupnikjavispedro: you needed to add a sound backend to drpocketsnes?14:52
RazumihinI'm not that good ;)14:52
RazumihinHave you checked that it hasn't got limit in nick length also?14:53
RazumihinIf it has some const char[] as nickfield.14:53
zerojayNo, but it's not constant.14:54
zerojayStskeeps was the same way yesterday, not now.14:54
zerojayOr is he?14:54
javispedropupnik, I did, the original was using oss in a complex way I didn't understand14:54
zerojayStskeeps: speak!14:54
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javispedro(and in fact used pthreads already)14:54
RazumihinHi has also got long nick and first letter capitalized.14:54
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zerojayCrap, who was that?14:55
RazumihinRaz still.14:55
pupnikjavispedro: yes indeed.  this is very interesting work U doin for a couple of stalled gp2x ports14:55
zerojayI'll test it out deeper when i get home tonight.14:55
javispedroI'm looking at the DrPocketSnes code, best way to exit a thread ever made: gp2x_sound_thread_exit=1; usleep(500);14:56
pupniki'm running a oss-alsa wrapper to start those, and it doesn't always work14:56
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javispedroat least they don't have to debug why f*sck pthread_cancel hangs14:57
RST38hOh yess:
RST38hjavis: This is actually a very traditional way to do it14:59
RST38hjavis: If it is an audio thread14:59
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javispedroeither way I don't have that many options, the thread is managed by SDL15:01
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RST38hjavis: The reason why they do it is because the audio threads are known to hang15:03
RST38hjavis: So you can't really rely on that thread terminating on its own, you can only tell it to stop and hope for the best15:03
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javispedrointeresting knowledge you have there RST38h, will interrogate you later ;)15:03
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* timeless_mbp sighs15:04
RST38hMeizirkki: Has he already asked Ian McKellen for approval? =)15:04
timeless_mbpyet another round lost trying to make non lame strings for fremantle15:04
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: i'll definitely worry about getting workable strings soon15:04
timeless_mbp(say w/in 6months)15:05
zerojayHow stupid, really. Ugh.15:06
zerojayLet me know when you'll start. I want to help.15:06
* timeless_mbp nods15:06
timeless_mbpit won't start until after launch15:07
timeless_mbpat least, i won't let you know until then15:07
timeless_mbp(for obvious reasons)15:07
zerojayYeah, i figured.15:07
timeless_mbpand i don't know when the launch might be :)15:07
timeless_mbpnor do i want to know :)15:07
* timeless_mbp points to a large Someone Else's Problem field15:07
zerojayJust hope it'll be better than Diablo.15:07
zerojayThe defaults, that is.15:08
Stskeepsyou'll be hiding in a bunker when nokia manages to insult the whole of north korea by accidentially translating "Browser" into "Kim Jong Il's Wife Is Loose"15:08
zerojaySounds like a plan to me.15:09
RST38hSts: Only if North Koreans get at least one N90015:09
zerojayHah, good point.15:09
* timeless_mbp starts reading another thing15:10
timeless_mbpwhich has some odd features15:10
timeless_mbpit looks like it was designed for a totally different device15:10
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timeless_mbp~When you want to know more about something, see the document you're reading now or ... ~15:11
timeless_mbpif i wasn't working here, i wouldn't believe that someone would write something like that15:11
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zerojayFinnglish is interesting.15:13
zerojayAnd pissing me off.15:14
MyrttiI'm sorry in behalf of the whole nation15:14
zerojayAww, that's sweet.15:19
zerojayBut i think your music makes up for it.15:19
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mikkov_this is real Finglish
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divide_by_zeroRtcomm works! Unbelivable!15:35
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divide_by_zeroNow I can have all kinds of useful conversations at IRC!15:38
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zerojayIt's the only way i can be on irc from work.15:42
zerojayUbisoft firewalls are hardcore. :(15:42
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divide_by_zeroWhy?    I have something in my firewall at my office tha prevents irc bu allows msn...15:43
zerojayMsn is allowed.15:44
zerojayWe used to have an internal irc server.15:44
divide_by_zeroBut rtcomm goes through the firewall or what?15:45
Veggenof course. Can't disallow Mission-critical software from respected software vendor....15:45
* GeneralAntilles sighs.15:45
GeneralAntillesPeter can't even spell Mer correctly.15:45
zerojayNo, i'm tethered through my cell.15:45
divide_by_zeroOh, ok then15:46
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: url?15:46
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: i don't blame them sometimes, we do say MaEmo Reconstructed :P15:46
GeneralAntillesWait, nevermind, that's YOU Stskeeps!
andre__Mre *is* a complicated word.15:46
* GeneralAntilles doesn't use Twitter15:47
GeneralAntillesWell, somebody wrote that, anyway.15:47
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: yeah, that's me, on friggen day 1.. :P15:47
Stskeepsi already have nerves on15:47
Stskeepsalso, nokia isn't replacing symbian with maemo ;)15:51
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pupnikhehe i thought i was #10015:52
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zerojayIf i keep saying it, it will come true!15:53
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Stskeepszerojay: i wouldn't be surprised if they move symbian to consumer phones and then maemo in on the professional ones15:54
timeless_mbpandre__: Mre is military rations, no?15:56
timeless_mbp(Meals Ready to Eat)15:56
Stskeepsandre__: if it was difficult to make it should be difficult to say! ;)15:57
zerojayIronic considering the lack of pim. ;)15:57
Stskeepszerojay: fremantle probably has pim, all sources point to it :P15:58
andre__dunno. my meals ready to eat are normally called p.i.z.z.a. and such15:58
zerojayWhat sources would that be?15:58
Stskeepszerojay: "calendar-backend" and such? :)15:58
Stskeepssync stuff, etc15:59
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zerojayDidn't know about that. Cool.16:00
Stskeepsif it's a phone, a N-series one, and it fails to have PIM, no sane N-series users will want it :P16:00
Stskeepsso many people use calendar sync, email, etc on them16:01
jeremiahWhat is this nonsense? ->
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zerojayThe http protocol. :)16:02
joelmaherjeremiah: it is the way of the future16:03
jeremiahYeah, I doubt that.16:03
zerojayProbably office to nokia phones.16:03
jeremiahIs MS going to use Qt?16:03
jeremiahThey're are going to have to open a bunch of code GPL then.16:03
Stskeepswho came up with the "please check this box to say you understand and agree that this isn't nokia software"16:04
divide_by_zeroNokia will sell maemo to bill gates, an they will rebrand it as Open Xenix16:04
zerojayThat reminds me.16:04
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zerojay/Me files bug.16:05
Stskeepsbecause that's a lot more annoying than the previous legalese crap16:05
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zerojaySafe to say it's still there in fremantle?16:06
javispedrozerojay, was that /Me thing intentional? does RTCOMM support /irc commands ?16:06
Stskeeps -> jaffa, zerojay16:06
Stskeepsand probably qwerty12_N810 too :P16:06
* zerojay test16:06
javispedrogood to know16:06
zerojayIt does when /me but not /Me16:06
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divide_by_zeroI love it the the popup you must read for actual Nokia software is LARGER than the 3rd party one...16:07
javispedrolol über popup16:07
javispedrodid they accept that suggestion to show it only once?16:07
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javispedro"or even harm this product". there goes your warranty16:08
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Stskeepswell, at least we're sure they aren't insisting on signed crap16:10
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qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: that's even more annoying than the Diablo (if it is shown repeatedly, and it looks like it would)16:10
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: yes, it is16:10
Stskeepsthank god it's OSS though16:10
Jaffajavispedro: They accepted it, but no one provided a patch. There is a patch which qwerty12_N810 and I wrote which turns it off with a red-pill-mode setting16:11
qwerty12_N810I didn't remove the first one for nought ;)16:11
zerojay/mE test16:11
zerojay/ME test16:11
* javispedro test16:11
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* zerojay test16:11
JaffaHowever, it should be fairly easy to build a patch which remembers the value once checked.16:11
javispedroxchat accepts it no mather the case16:11
qwerty12_N810XChat > RTComm16:11
jeremiahirssi > XChat > RTComm16:12
javispedroqwerty12_N810, well, to tell the truth, I'm tempted by the integration rtcomm offers...16:12
divide_by_zeroirssi rulzzz!16:12
zerojayRtcomm integration beats all the small issues to me.16:13
javispedroirssi is a curses client????16:13
Stskeepssure, and it works fine :>16:13
qwerty12_N810But it is rather buggy... Don't get me wrong, I love RTComm for all the other services it provides but when I tried using it as an IRC client, it just drove me crazy16:13
zerojayI'm trying to fix that. :P16:14
javispedroI knew you all were crazy :P16:14
qwerty12_N810rtcomm's source repo is the best ;)16:14
zerojayCrazy like a fox!16:14
divide_by_zeroMust hit the road, see ya16:15
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zerojayAnd ms is not allowed to sell word now.16:16
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zerojayBarred from selling software using custom xml16:17
* javispedro wonders if garage is going to accept a request for hosting a "snes9x license" project16:17
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RST38hWhat is snes9x license?16:18
Stskeepsdear god, webkit debug symbols are 106mb?16:18
lcukIIS, APACHE, and MAEMO and everything in between  must also stop since they allow production of xml documents16:18
javispedrotranslated from legalese: "You can do as you wish but sell it"16:18
RST38hSts: Was it unexpected?16:18
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lcukinfact, fuck it - shut down your computers fellas16:19
RST38hjavis: Oh you mean license wise16:19
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RST38hjavis: I do not think garage will mind16:19
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: you enabled dh_strip --dbg-package?16:19
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: i'm trying to chase down the webkit bug, it seems it mainifests itself with the older tear too16:19
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zerojayLcuk: just reporting what i read.16:20
Stskeepsit's a double-free16:20
Stskeepshence why it works with valgrind but not glibc :)16:21
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javispedrolol, banned in all the states?16:23
lcukzerojay, yeah i know16:23
* qwerty12_N810 predicts a rise in BitTorrent/Rapidshare traffic...16:23
javispedrothis at least confirms microsoft has not any kind of "big red emergency button", since they've started losing market share, profits, and now this, and the world has not ended yet.16:25
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fiferboyI get around double-free problems by not freeing anything :)16:27
mgedminfiferboy: why are you against freedom?16:28
RST38hfiferboy <-- bad, bad coder16:28
fiferboyIf you free things too many times, it kills them :(16:28
RST38h(unless of course he does not allocate either)16:28
fiferboyMy programs don't use any variables at all16:29
* javispedro sees one of the most difficult questions he has ever faced: "SCM? SVN or Git? You won't be able to change it after submitting the project".16:31
zerojayWhat does git have over svn?16:31
fiferboyAlthough, haven't I heard some people have problems with git and garage?16:31
javispedroplease discuss :D16:32
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jeremiahzerojay: Are you joking_16:32
fiferboycoldboot: Where is your "git versus everything" link16:32
jeremiahGit is distributed - Svn is central16:32
zerojayNo, i'm not. I've never used git.16:32
Stskeepsjavispedro: i'd take svn and then get a gitorious account16:32
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jeremiahThis is a huge difference in philosophy16:32
mgedmingit has sweet command-line ui16:32
jeremiahGit is distributed - Svn is central16:33
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mgedmine.g. git log spawns a pager for long output by default16:33
jeremiahThis means that you don't need to have a 'committer bit'16:33
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jeremiahbecause you just clone repos16:33
jeremiah^^ great resource16:33
jeremiahWritten by Linus Torvalds to replace Bitkeeper, git has become the SCM of choice for a lot of projects16:34
javispedroStskeeps, not a bad option, but If I take svn I'll end up using svn (lazyness and all that ;) )16:34
jeremiahLike the linux kernel16:34
javispedrois the having problems?16:35
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javispedrothe server, I mean.16:35
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RST38hjavis: Probably SVN16:39
RST38hJust because it is well integrated with Windows desktop16:39
lcukthe biggest git of all actually MADE the windows desktop16:40
* lcuk does agree tho, git is better than svn16:40
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pupnikso if i reflash now.  what should i put on the n810.16:42
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pupnikto be in sync with the cool kids in october16:42
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: heh, 256mb ram isn't enough to host the webkit debug symbols :>16:42
qwerty12_N810hannesw said they were useless because they'd crash gdb when he tried to use them :P16:42
javispedro I liked the local repo idea, so I guess I'm choosing Git (also, what the he**, i want to try it at least).16:43
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: same16:44
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GAN800pupnik, Diablo? Then stick Mer on an SD partition?16:46
pupnikthat sounds good16:47
Mekthe cool kids will have rovers in october :P16:47
coldbootAs you type on the hildon keyboard with your stylus, after a while it randomly executes "filterKeyPress", even though you haven't pressed a real key.16:47
GAN800Mek, let's hope so.16:47
GAN800Mek, gonna be an awfully shitty Summit if not.16:48
coldbootIs Antonio back from vacation yet?16:48
pupnikwhat are 'rovers'?16:48
Stskeepswhat rock have you been hiding under? :P16:49
Jaffapupnik: The RX-5116:49
pupnikah ty16:49
pupnikstrange name16:49
JaffaCould just be a codename, like Soyuz16:50
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n6pfkWhen I play videos with mplayer they are not rendered properly unless I click on "play order" and while the dialog box is shown the video renders nicely?16:51
n6pfkWhen I play videos with mplayer they are not rendered properly unless I click on "play order" and while the dialog box is shown the video renders nicely?16:52
fiferboycoldboot: I have seen a few emails from Antonio in the last few days, so I think so16:52
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coldbootfiferboy: When you hit a keyboard key, the widgets are getting converted to native widgets.16:54
coldbootfiferboy: A physical keyboard key, that is.16:55
fiferboycoldboot: That is strange, I thought that was just to use the on-screen keyboard.16:55
coldbootfiferboy: s/native widgets/native X windows/16:55
coldbootApparently not.16:55
javispedroin Diablo at least all key presses should be filtered by HIM16:55
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: does OBS let you override the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS that are used? Seeing as it's there, you may as well enable the maemo-launcher support if you get Tear working... :P16:55
javispedrocause e.g. the Chr key could be down16:55
fiferboyjavispedro: Ah!16:56
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: not yet :P i think16:56
rkirti\/nick rkirti|afk16:56
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coldbootjavispedro: fiferboy: So I need to know where to set the HIM Proxy when a keyboard press hildon command is being sent. Also, as you type for a while on the screen keyboard, eventually it sends a keypress in the same way it sends it when you press the physical keyboard. Which causes the same bug as the physical keyboard does.16:57
fiferboycoldboot: If the hardware keyboard sends the commands through HIM, you shouldn't have to differentiate between hardware keyboard presses and on-screen keyboard presses16:58
coldbootfiferboy: It doesn't send them through exactly the same, I think.16:59
fiferboycoldboot: That could well be16:59
coldbootfilterKeyPress() gets called when you press a keyboard button, or when the screen keyboard decides to be a real keyboard -- randomly.17:00
lcukkeypressed from the realkeyboard need special handling because of the stickykeys implementation17:01
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lcukso you dont have to hold down FN to do numbers17:01
fiferboycoldboot: How can I try to reproduce the problem you are seeing?17:01
javispedroor the Chr key, which is one of the weirdest cases17:01
javispedroafaik (i know about qt, but tried to understand the gdk flow a bit): sw key sends only him commit events,17:02
lcukafiak its got the function in which keeps track of the state of the key lock  and  stuff as well as translating17:02
javispedrohw keyboard sends keypress events but him filters them.17:02
coldbootfiferboy: Open up shopper and press a physical keyboard key when a LineEdit has focus.17:02
javispedro*I know _nothing_ about qt, should read ;)17:02
lcukjavispedro, me neither lol, but we have all apparantly been rummaging around the same code17:03
coldbootfiferboy: You might see some flashing. But in our app, it breaks focus for a widget that has taken over the event loop.17:03
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: i think i found it! did bundyo add database stuff recently?17:04
Stskeepsfor local app storage or something17:05
qwerty12_N810Yes, AppCache or something on the request of rmt17:05
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Stskeepsif /media/mmc1 doesn't exist, it crashes17:07
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pupniknice icon for 'mer' whoever did that17:09
* Stskeeps points to wazd17:09
Stskeepsit's actually a really really bad bug17:09
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: want a lesson in things not to do? :)17:10
qwerty12_N810Hey, it's Bundyo's work :P17:11
Stskeepsyeah, still a good example of something people don't think about17:11
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: - tell me what's wrong here17:12
Stskeepsand no, it's not that it's /media/mmc117:12
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qwerty12_N810Fuck if I know17:13
Stskeepshint: strings aren't dynamically allocated17:14
Stskeepsas in, constant strings :P17:14
javispedrolol :) i didn't notice it either17:14
pupnikdoes a test for set database dire...17:14
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Stskeepswhich is why everyone likes to use languages where you don't have to free() by hand :P17:15
javispedrolike well done C++17:15
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JaffaStskeeps: +117:15
aolstskeeps: not really , java sucks :)17:15
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Jaffaaol: Yes. It "sucks"17:15
JaffaWhereas C++ "doesn't suck"17:16
Mace_N8x0can someone version me?17:16
aolok ok :)17:16
* Jaffa gives up his high paid career in Java server applications and goes and writes crashing code by accidentally freeing something because the ownership isn't clear.17:16
qwerty12_N810Mace_N8x0: "VERSION telepathy-idle 0.1.2 Telepathy IM/VoIP Framework"17:17
aquatixJaffa: :)17:17
Mace_N8x0ok. thanks17:17
JaffaOh, and tell our customers that we'll be writing C++-based CGI scripts which'll run on exactly one OS and probably won't have any buffer overflows. Oh no.17:17
javispedroin fact, that code snippet would probably require a quick look at the manual17:17
Mace_N8x0was just curious17:17
javispedrocan you free databaseDirectory after passing it as a parameter to the setDBDirectoryPath call?17:17
* aquatix mumbles something about just having installed his first self-written android app17:17
aquatixnow i will be glared at17:18
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aolJaffa: haha, don't get offended :)17:18
Jaffajavispedro: It'd depend on what setDatabaseDirectoryPath did with it; so relies on it having good docs17:18
Mace_N8x0want to work more on my dev tablet17:18
Jaffaaol: I'm not offended; just feeding the troll ;-)17:18
Mace_N8x0too lazy17:18
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Mace_N8x0qwerty, i have a question about busybox , is it just a collection of bins?17:19
aolJaffa: btw, I'm sorry about your day job :)17:19
aolbut I guess mine is worse, I do Symbian, Windows Mobile and iPhone apps for living :)17:19
qwerty12_N810Mace_N8x0: "One bin to rule them all" =)17:19
Jaffaaol: Beats writing C++, and gets me to fly to Stockholm to watch a client install a prototype EJB in WebSphere whilst I type on IRC ;-)17:19
qwerty12_N810(Everything is a link to busybox)17:19
Mace_N8x0i see17:20
Mace_N8x0so all the commands just call one one thing?17:20
Mace_N8x0so what happens when i replace the bins that busybox uses?17:20
Mace_N8x0like. build them and replace the busybox.. links?17:21
aolJaffa: I actually love writing c++ a lot, but hate my clients17:21
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* Jaffa likes this client, likes writing Java (most of the time) and hates writing C++.17:21
JaffaSounds like we're both in well suited jobs ;-)17:21
* aquatix writes in both languages17:22
* Jaffa leaves memory allocation fun to when he's writing ARM assembler at weekends17:22
aquatixand hobbies in python17:22
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aquatixJaffa: ooh17:22
Mace_N8x0qwerty, i'm just a little curious on how difficult it would be to get rid of busybox from maemo17:22
aolI've ported some C++ stuff over to Java, and I really miss the ability to define own types17:22
qwerty12_N810Mace_N8x0: Busybox won't get used for that particular command. Say you replace /bin/ls with a real ls from coreutils, then the one you just installed will be used. Busybox will still be used for other commands that you have not replaced the links for17:22
aolbut aside from school and that I havent done much with Java17:23
Mace_N8x0so why is the coreutils pkg so damaging to maemo?17:23
aolbut of course I'd never think of writing web/server stuff with c++ :)17:23
aolI guess Java is the right tool there17:23
Mace_N8x0why must it remove a thousand things to install itself?17:23
javispedroi'm thinking busybox may still try to use its builtin commands from its own ash shell17:23
Mace_N8x0javispedro, so can't you just chsh to bash and not use ash?17:24
StskeepsMace_N8x0: went insane yet?17:24
javispedrodepends on if busybox-isms exist or not ;)17:24
Mace_N8x0Stskeeps, naw.. i've just started17:24
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Mace_N8x0insanity comes a few months later17:25
qwerty12_N810Because busybox (packaging wise) says it conflicts with a 1001 things. If you're a machoist, then edit dpkg's status file and remove the conflict with coreutils17:25
Mekprobably why the coreutils package is so damaging, is that you can't have multiple packages installed that contain the same file; so to install coreutils you have to uninstall busybox, and everything that has busybox as a requirement17:25
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qwerty12_N810But be warned: The coreutils package from the SDK repo isn't good to use on a device. I'd have things like "ls -l" segfaulting17:25
javispedroa good question is why maemo enters a reset loop when using bash and coreutils instead of busybox17:25
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Mace_N8x0javispedro: does it?17:26
javispedroprobably due to what qwerty said ;)17:26
GAN800Mace_N8x0, prepare for reboot loops in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .17:26
Mace_N8x0qwerty, is it possiblet o build it on the tablet?17:26
Mace_N8x0and test the new bins17:26
Mace_N8x0then repackage ?17:26
GAN800javispedro, Busybox-isms in init scripts.17:26
Stskeepsbusyboxism is a new one17:26
michaelmi am having some serious issues that I am hoping someone here can help me find a solution17:26
Mace_N8x0Stskeeps, hurry and tm it ;)17:27
pupnikat what stage of startup do most reboot-loops occur?  or could it be anywhere?17:27
javispedroI though busybox was no-frills17:27
michaelmI have a 810 that is in reboot loop17:27
Mace_N8x0speak of the devil17:27
Stskeepsjust like Mace_N8x0 soon will ;)17:27
javispedroand there could be possibly no extension to busybox not in bash or some other über shell17:27
qwerty12_N810Mace_N8x0: perhaps, but I just replace bins as required. When I was running dpkg-buildpackage, I just replaced everything that busybox couldn't handle17:27
Stskeepsmichaelm: let me guess, and you'd like to get your data out?17:27
michaelmno, i actually can get my data17:28
Stskeepsah, then just reflash17:28
michaelmmy problem is this17:28
Mace_N8x0qwerty, so to get a working coreutils in place of busybox.. i'd be starting from scratch?17:28
Mace_N8x0and have to pkg everything by hand against a billion libs17:28
michaelmthe device boots, stays at the desktop for a min the screen then becomes unresponsive then the device restarts17:28
coldbootWhat's a good way to debug on the device? Running gdb crashes and restarts the nokia n810...17:28
javispedrocoldboot, add swap17:28
Mace_N8x0so i'm guessing the best way would be to make my own repo17:29
qwerty12_N810Mace_N8x0: I'd guess so... I never bothered replacing it entirely17:29
Mekrunning gdb and tell it not to load all symbols by default17:29
coldbootjavispedro: Add a swap partition?17:29
Mace_N8x0qwerty, sounds like a lot of pkgs17:29
javispedroit is probably a out of memory issue17:29
StskeepsMace_N8x0: and you end up at the Mer approach, saying "fuck it all" and start reconstructing things the right way.17:29
Mace_N8x0is there a list of which bins busybox uses?17:29
Mekcoldboot: so only load symbols of the libraries of which you really need it17:29
Mace_N8x0Stskeeps, yeah.. but i want to do it in maemo 417:29
pupnikyou can add swap in the system control panel thinyg under 'memory' coldboot17:29
qwerty12_N810Mace_N8x0: run 'busybox'? =)17:29
michaelmif it is out of memory, how do i see whats causing it?17:29
StskeepsMace_N8x0: noone stops you from taking the source packages for maemo4, building the open source parts and remix your own image17:30
javispedrouf, thread confusion :)17:30
qwerty12_N810When I finally did get an N800 capable of running dpkg-buildpackage, ukki just gave me an SSH account anyway :P17:30
StskeepsMace_N8x0: except you end up at the funny situation noone else will benefit from your work and your steps will be too difficult to reproduce :P17:30
Stskeeps(as you can't distribute the result)17:31
michaelmanyone have any ideas? don't want to confuse the thread anymore17:32
Mace_N8x0qwerty haha17:32
Stskeepsmichaelm: do you have fanoush's bootmenu (or the deblet/mer one) installed?17:32
Mace_N8x0no .. coreutils in busybox17:32
Mace_N8x0except not the pkg'd one17:32
Mace_N8x0which obviously has issues17:32
javispedroscratchbox uses bash, so at least there are no "busyboxisms" in the osso-af scripts17:33
Mace_N8x0Stskeeps, haha17:33
Mace_N8x0well. that is why i'm blogging it step by step on tech.rancorous.net17:33
javispedroMace_N8x0, you could also try another approach and build a better, bigger busybox17:33
Mace_N8x0i'm trying to be as detailed as possible so i don't forget17:33
qwerty12_N810The tablet boots up fine with /bin/bash symlinked to /bin/sh17:33
javispedroalso wait until debian fixes its bashisms17:33
javispedro(which is something they're trying to do afaik)17:33
Mace_N8x0javispedro, lol, i thought about that17:33
qwerty12_N810dash on the other hand... god, that sucked more ass than busybox's ash17:33
michaelmstskeeps: no..its actually a fresh flash with the latest image. Installed 1 application then after a few hours it starts acting up17:34
Mace_N8x0but why do that when i can just work on individual bins17:34
StskeepsMace_N8x0: what application was it?17:34
javispedronick confusion ;)17:34
michaelmstskeeps: it is one that was written at my office a simple gui using airodump as the back end17:35
Mace_N8x0but yeah. i'm trying to log every step i take17:35
Mace_N8x0and hopefully make my own repo with 1 pkg you can run to get it all working to the point where you can build and pkg17:36
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Mace_N8x0cups support for all!17:36
Stskeepsmichaelm: right, there might be a problem of airodump or something causing a watchdog reboot17:36
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michaelmi have attempted adding the "--set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard"17:37
michaelmand that doesnt do anything17:37
Stskeepsthere's a omap wd thing too17:37
javispedrolifeguard would be useful in case hildon-desktop was crashing17:37
michaelmthis is where my question is:17:37
michaelmwhat do I have to do to see what is causing a watchdog reboot?17:38
javispedrokernel crash? :P17:39
Mace_N8x0did you install coreutils?17:39
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qwerty12_N810Doubt it'd get that far :P17:39
michaelmMace: u talking to me?17:40
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Mace_N8x0michaelm, sorry... was just a bad joke17:40
qwerty12_N810michaelm: if you have a way of mounting /dev/mtdblock4 outside of Maemo:
Mace_N8x0i have to figure out how replacing bins affects busybox17:41
Mace_N8x0and see if it's not calling on its own bins when i replace the old ones.. i would figure it wouldn't but who knows17:41
javispedroit's calling its own bins17:41
javispedroeasy to test17:41
javispedroinstall on debian17:41
javispedrotry grep --random-crap-parameter-only-in-gnu17:41
Mace_N8x0i know the busybox grep didn't pass an abiword configure17:41
javispedrosee it fail.17:41
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Mace_N8x0that seems like... a tedious way to do it17:42
michaelmhow do I go about doing this on a device that restarts all the time? should I reflash and hope that it acts up again?17:42
qwerty12_N810You knew what you were letting yourself in for :)17:42
javispedromichaelm, if you reflash and it acts up again you're fscked, I guess.17:43
michaelmyeah that I know. but I need to know whats causing this contstant restart!17:43
Mace_N8x0qwerty, well, hopefully i can log it all and allow people to reproduce it17:43
Mace_N8x0i'd love to see the tablet being used as a sttandalone dev box17:43
Mace_N8x0just so it feels more like a computer.. except i want it to do it in maemo17:44
Mace_N8x0maemo: "The anti-Mer"17:44
Mace_N8x0how much is the new tablet supposed to cost?17:45
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pupnikprobably at the high end of phone range17:45
zerojayAnyone that knows can't say.17:46
Mace_N8x0so... $90017:46
Mace_N8x0heh too17:46
pupniki mean look at what they're packing into it17:46
Mace_N8x0nokia isn't really known for its cheap phones17:46
Andy80900?! O_o17:46
javispedrowe last determined it costed both kidneys, first born son, a for-life contract with t-mobile and being reincarnated as a windows xp admin17:46
Mace_N8x0pupnik, i agree17:46
Mace_N8x0javispedro, hahaha17:46
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Andy80I don't think will cost more than other similar devices :)17:47
Mace_N8x0javispedro, people will pay that17:47
Mace_N8x0Andy80, how much was an N810 when it first came out?17:47
javispedrowell. more than $500 for a phone is still something I consider amiss17:47
Mace_N8x0like.. $600?17:47
* RST38h bets on $600-$700 sans the contract17:47
Andy80Mace_N8x0, about 480€ (in Italy)17:47
RST38hAnd $250-$350 with the contract17:48
Mace_N8x0javis... look at the e9017:48
Mace_N8x0which is what it basically is17:48
Mace_N8x0with better and more hardware17:48
Andy80btw... why are you talking of contract?17:48
javispedroI could buy a OQO instead17:48
RST38hAndy80: It is coming out on TMbile network in the US, apparently17:48
Mace_N8x0javispedro, buy a touch book17:48
RST38hjavis: Or 3 N810s17:48
Mace_N8x0i preordered mine... rumor has it.. it's next week17:49
Mace_N8x0or next month17:49
RST38hMacer: Have you got yours?17:49
Mace_N8x0or next year when it's coming out17:49
Mace_N8x0rst, no17:49
javispedroI will wait until they confirm rovers' price17:49
Mace_N8x0nobody has gotten them yet17:49
javispedrothen wait a year more cause my n810 is too young yet17:49
coldbootWhen I go to "Control Panel" > Memory > Virtual, it says I've got no internal memory card...17:49
qwerty12_N810Someone's been getting lessons from Pandora people17:49
Andy80I'll wait for developer discount or nothing ;)17:49
Mace_N8x0there would be a lot more buzz on the internets if they did17:49
coldbootAlso I get notifications saying the internal memory card is corrupted or unformatted.17:49
michaelmi am trying -set-rd-flags=no-retu-w to see if it stops the restarting17:49
Andy80RST38h, ah, you mean data contract... yeah...17:49
Mace_N8x0qwerty, yeah. preordering vaporware seems the cool thing to do when it comes to arm hardware17:50
CorsacI already ordered my touchbook17:50
javispedroto arm hardware only?17:50
michaelmok that forced it to turn off17:50
RST38hMacer: Then do not suggest people buy theirs =)17:50
javispedromichaelm, what? it did turn off instead of rebooting?17:50
Mace_N8x0javispedro, well.. i think they released the mips based netbook17:50
Mace_N8x0with the usb key thing17:50
Mace_N8x0forgot what it was called17:51
RST38hqwerty: BTW, is Pandora out?17:51
coldbootNevermind, fixed it.17:51
Mace_N8x0RST38h, maybe if people preorder enough of them they will see the simulated viable profit17:51
* Andy80 going to preorder an iPhone 4G... :D17:51
qwerty12_N810RST38h: I heard something like 10 people got them but no pics...17:51
michaelmit turned off after i added that flag (no-retu-w) it booted, was able to get to xterm, did a ps -ef then when i was scrolling up it shut down17:51
Mace_N8x0and click the "go" button on the fabricator17:51
qwerty12_N810Dunno if that changed, however.17:51
Mace_N8x0qwerty, wow. talk about power manufacturing17:52
Mace_N8x0they sure broke the mold17:52
RST38hqwerty: ehehehehehe17:52
qwerty12_N810They've been frontin' about it for a year now. It's not even funny anymore :/17:52
Mace_N8x0maybe they sent it to be fabricated at the place that made the x3 phenoms17:52
Mace_N8x0qwerty, touch book has been since march17:53
Mace_N8x0was supposed to come out in "summer,..... june..... end of july...... now..."17:53
Mace_N8x0they SAID they were shipping17:53
Corsacwell, Gregoire is kind-of alone on that :)17:54
Mace_N8x0nobody has gotten them yet though, i think they sent them via horse driven carriage17:54
CorsacI imagine him going to USPS with the boxes17:54
Mace_N8x0through the grand canyon from california17:54
javispedroI would need good brainwashing in order to buy a +$600 phone17:54
coldbootMek: How do you tell gdb not to load all symbols by default?17:54
Mace_N8x0Corsac, hahaha17:54
RST38hOhmygod they ported Maemo to N95!!!17:54
qwerty12_N810javispedro: Nokia'll arrange it for you =)17:54
StskeepsRST38h: i wouldn't mind a bootloader + kernel for n95 ;)17:54
Andy80RST38h, nice fake ;)17:54
RST38h(anyone willing to post this picture to ITT?)17:54
CorsacI'm shipping him my brother-in-law to help him at AI so maybe I'll get some news17:55
Andy80RST38h, it's a FAKE!17:55
Mace_N8x0Stskeeps, you will never get the cam working in Mer17:55
Mekcoldboot: I don't remember... I have used it once a long time ago to debug some kde stuff on a n810...17:55
Mace_N8x0on the n9517:55
Mace_N8x0closed src17:55
Mace_N8x0they could have at least made sure the widgets were centered on the screen in the fake pic17:56
Mace_N8x0instead of being chopped off at the end17:56
javispedroand they could have used a btter maemo screenshot and not the first wikipedia one they could find17:56
coldbootMek: Did it take forever to start up?17:56
qwerty12_N810And a date that did not say "2008"...17:57
javispedrocoldboot, it is very slow indeed with only sdl symbols, so I guess it will be slow as hell with whole Qt and use 150% of the memory17:57
Mekcoldboot: no, I don't think so; when you tell gdb not to load any symbols, it should start quite quickly17:57
Mace_N8x0qt ftw17:58
RST38hMacer: It was a quick port no time to adjust the widgets =017:58
Mace_N8x0RST, they adjusted the status bar at the top17:58
Mace_N8x0oh wait.. no they didn't17:59
michaelmit turned off after i added that flag (no-retu-w) it booted, was able to get to xterm, did a ps -ef then when i was scrolling up it shut down17:59
Mace_N8x0virtual hildon desktop ?17:59
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Mace_N8x0michaelm, you sure hte hardware isn't broken17:59
RST38hMacer: But it has got a DPAD!!!17:59
michaelmnope. because once i reflash and dont install my application and just leave it stock its fine18:00
javispedroso it's "your" application ?18:00
Stskeepsmichaelm: sure airodump isn't doing something fucky? :P18:00
javispedroor one of its dependencies?=18:00
michaelmso i would assume that it has to be in my app thats causing the problem, but i need to figure out what18:00
qwerty12_N810So, er, check what this application is doing?18:00
Mace_N8x0Ok.... WTF18:00
michaelmi used this app on the 800 (it was modified for the 810) and it never caused this error18:01
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Stskeepsand there's the sanity and walking right out the door18:02
javispedrohis "N8x0" probably exploded in a busyboom-like firework show18:03
javispedroMacer, is your N8x0 still alive? should we call the firefighters? ;)18:04
pupnikcoldboot: did you reseat the micro-sd card?18:04
pupnikoops, was stuck in scrollback18:04
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Mace_N8x0that was wierd18:08
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Mace_N8x0my kb was only doing caps18:09
Mace_N8x0shift was lower case18:09
Stskeepsnah, your mind must be playing tricks on you18:09
Mace_N8x0damn beta software ;)18:10
javispedro"Sony Makes New Li-Ions: Recharge in 30 Minutes, Catch Fire in 90 Minutes, Last Ages"18:10
javispedroI tried one in my netbook, and I can attest that the craters left are at least 50% deeper! Go Sony!18:10
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Mace_N8x0new marketing word!18:12
Mace_N8x0+1 sony18:12
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Mace_N8x0wonder if those pics are real most of the time18:17
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alteregoRight, just done 50% of that project. Think I'll relax and have a coffee before I head into town and to the pub.18:29
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alteregoOops, wrong channel ...18:30
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pupnik  News: Microsoft and Nokia form alliance to rival RIM18:35
Stskeepsah, i was wondering what motivation might be18:35
Stskeepsuh, what is that photo..18:35
qwerty12_N810It really says a lot when MS needs to form with Nokia because they can't do it with their own WinMo devices...18:36
Stskeepsone thing i must say about WinMo..18:36
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Stskeepsat least it had friggen sync and PIM18:36
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javispedro"online versions." meh.18:36
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Stskeepsjavispedro: coupled with offline storage and 3g it wouldn't be bad.18:37
pupnik  ONN News: Google Opt Out Feature Lets Users Protect Privacy By Moving To Remote Village18:37
Stskeepsjavispedro: it's even more interesting from the perspective Nokia is a webkit and gecko shop18:37
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javispedroSymbian's webkit and I'm sure MS has Symbian in mind.18:38
javispedronot any "potentially winmo overthrowing" mobile OS.18:38
Stskeepswe'll see18:38
Stskeepsbusiness users will be pissed off if a flagship N-series can't do office if the symbian ones can :P18:38
javispedropupnik, the best news network ever :D18:38
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javispedro"while the macbook wheel won't hit the shelves yet for another 3 to 15 months" :D18:44
pupnikWish microsoft had less success with their 'open' document spec18:45
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pupnikmacbook 'wheel'?18:45
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javispedrofresh from the ONN: ;)18:45
pupniki could picture that18:45
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javispedro"also the computer is unbreakable, unless drop or hit" lol18:46
GAN800I like Sony's retarded piece of shit.18:48
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zerojayHm.. What to put for primary community project on my registration...18:50
javispedro"new Iphone application alerts users to imminent sidewalk collisions with other iphone users"18:51
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Stskeepszerojay: "proofreading squad"?18:51
Stskeepswe have the bugsquad so:P18:51
Jaffazerojay: Community documentation18:51
zerojayGood ones.18:51
JaffaSounds like a super-villain ;-)18:52
zerojayFits perfect then.18:52
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zerojayDunno if "dude that edits shit and yells at us all the time" is good enough for sponsorship, but why not try anyways, right?18:58
qwerty12_N810FinglishFixer? =)18:58
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sp3000-> fifi -> poodle18:59
javispedroSound: 2 Hz, 37 channels lol already borked SDL_Audio19:00
sp3000but that would get obscure19:00
zerojayI can't see sp3000's name shown now. So much for caps triggering it. :(19:04
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zerojayWonder if i've got enough bugs reported for bugsquad, hehe19:05
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GAN800zerojay, Andre's the only one really working at the moment. ;)19:09
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andre__currently it's just a silent period19:10
andre__SDK2 out, waiting for SDK3 or a final release19:10
andre__not many bug reports...19:10
Stskeepsyou're saying you want more? ;p19:10
andre__honestly, i feel better when i'm stressed (that means lots of bug reports)19:11
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andre__looking forward when the final release is out19:11
andre__my doctor disagrees though :-P19:11
zerojayMe too.19:11
zerojayI'm gonna go nuts.19:12
GAN800andre__, I'm going to get every WalMart newb who buys a T-Mobile device to come and start reporting bugs for you. :P19:13
GAN800"my n-900 wont start????"19:13
zerojayAnd they'll all be dupes. ;)19:13
GAN800"need help"19:13
andre__GAN800, i'm fine with that. i even have a stock answer for those. two clicks, done :)19:13
javispedroand you also get a free n900!!19:14
javispedroremember to hide the bodies19:14
andre__i was gnome evolution bugmaster. i'm used to "cant sent mail. plz help!!!!!" reports.19:14
zerojay"Should not reproduce"?19:14
GAN800Double-tap, not two clicks. :P19:14
andre__that get answered by a polite(tm) "this is not a support forum" -> RESOLVED INVALID comment :)19:14
andre__for me it's one click and one Return key19:15
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zerojayPoor yerga felt his wrath.19:15
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javispedrothis can't be true19:16
javispedronow it crashes if I DISABLE optimizations19:16
javispedrothis toolchain is nuts19:16
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GAN800zerojay, you missed out on the fun andre__ and I had with freejazz19:17
yergaI had some kind words in my email too :)19:20
GAN800"im going 2 murder u u fukin nerd!!!1!!"19:20
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pupnikis there something like fraps for X11?19:30
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javispedrothis sucks.19:35
javispedro^^^ crashes when built with g++, but not when built with gcc19:35
javispedro25 lines long.19:35
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GAN800zerojay, search for freejazz in reporters on bmo.19:38
GAN800zerojay, some insane idiot who spammed us with death threats.19:38
pupnik:/ javispedro.19:39
pupniki learned what a callback was, once19:39
GAN800I'll forward you some of the emails if I still have them.19:39
javispedroit's not a callback problem though19:39
zerojayLol, please do.19:39
javispedroit crashes while SDL tries to cancel the audio thread19:40
pupniksomething deep and weird i bet19:40
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GAN800I wish I had saved that itT post from the guy who said Texrat and I loved Nokia so much we'd go to Iraq for them.19:41
pupnikjavispedro: your work here could be used to fix sound in gp2x NES emu, GemRB, uhh... Snes9x - some other wonky OSS projects19:41
zerojayShit, i missed out on all that?19:42
pupnikI'd go to redmond first19:42
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zerojayMaemo summit 2010: the occupation19:43
zerojayRedmond, wa19:44
zerojayBe there!19:44
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ShadowJKjavispedro, so either SDL includes or your program isn't C++? :)19:47
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javispedrothe g++ linker puts in some code SDL does not like19:48
javispedroas usual I'm not alone...
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javispedrohah. first hit mentions "a user of the nokia n810"19:49
javispedromy bet: broken libgcc_s on diablo.19:49
ShadowJKwtf is that google logo tonight?19:49
mgedminShadowJK: you know you can click on it, right?19:49
ShadowJKOh right19:50
mmu_screenoh unwind...19:51
javispedro-static-libgcc fixes it19:51
mmu_screenbtw I had probs the other day after rebuilding gcc for Haiku...19:51
mmu_screenoh, interesting19:52
mmu_screenhad to add some stuff to the bootloader ldscript and a fake abort()19:52
mmu_screenfor the arm port, I mean19:52
javispedroHaiku arm port??19:53
mmu_screenyes for GSoC19:53
ShadowJKwhich one is haiku again..19:53
zerojayOh boy, this freejazz guy...  Haha19:53
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ShadowJKah, beos thing19:54
javispedrowould be very cool :)19:54
pupnikahh "recordmydesktop"19:55
ShadowJKI seem to remember there was this other non-unixy OS project too, but I can't remember what it was called19:56
ShadowJKand im not thinking of qnx19:56
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ShadowJKoh that might be it19:56
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javispedroSyllable also has an API that reminds me of BeOS19:57
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* javispedro wonder wheter to file yet another diablo WONTFIX bug about this libgcc_s thing...19:58
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GAN800zerojay, I wonder how many more of those nuts we'll get with Fremantle. . . .20:09
RST38hMoo all20:10
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RST38hN900 to have a TV tuner!20:10
StskeepsRST38h: DVB-T might be neat :P20:11
aolDVB-H is useless .... DVB-T might be cool but not too realistic with the reception problems and all ?20:11
GAN800RST38h, yeah, Hava + 3G. ;)20:11
ShadowJKreception problems? Well, the broadcast network is designed for receivers hooked up to big directional antennas...20:12
zerojayWhere did you hear that it will have a tv tuner?20:13
aolShadowJK: DVB-H is designed for mobile devices, more robust transmission etc20:13
aolbut there is just no DVB-H channels20:13
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ShadowJKyeah, I was referring to DVB-T20:13
aolyes, but as you mentioned DVB-T is designed to be received with a proper antenna20:14
Stskeepshmm, MS deal .. OneNote integration for tablet = <320:14
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coldbootIt seems `dpkg-buildpackage -b -nc` actually cleans in sb1...20:23
coldbootfiferboy: javispedro: I fixed the bug, just had to add HIM Proxy code to sendKeyEvents()20:24
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fiferboycoldboot: So there is no conversion to natvie X windows when inputing now?20:24
coldbootfiferboy: At least not in those two cases.20:25
coldbootfiferboy: We're releasing on Friday, and this is good enough for now, so I gotta build it.20:25
fiferboycoldboot: Excellent20:25
javispedrogood to know :)20:25
fiferboycoldboot: You are releasing based on qt 4.5.0?20:25
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coldbootfiferboy: Yeah.20:30
coldbootfiferboy: We don't have resources to make sure 4.5.2 or whatever the latest is doesn't have bugs.20:31
fiferboycoldboot: How are you distributing your modified libqt4-gui package?20:31
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coldbootfiferboy: I make a new package with a new version number by editing debian/changelog, then we push the libqtgui*.deb package to some server that everyone downloads from automatically when they sync data.20:35
coldbootIt's actually not retarded, I was impressed.20:35
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fiferboycoldboot: Cool20:35
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VDVsxX-Fade, ping20:36
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StskeepsVDVsx: would hidd --connect allow me to connect constantly with bluemaemo or do i need to do something better? :P20:38
Stskeeps(i have a media center pc i want to use with bluemaemo and often be disconnected)20:38
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VDVsxStskeeps, the connect is canceled if you leave the devices without any activity for a certain period, but you can reconnect from the n8x00 side20:40
VDVsxactually you only need to use HIDD one time20:40
VDVsxfor register the device, next connections can be done only in the n8x0 side20:41
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zerojayIs there something extra that needs to be done for ps3?20:43
zerojayI never got it to connect.20:43
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zerojayAlways would error out during pairing.20:44
VDVsxthere's some hits in tmo20:44
VDVsx1 sec20:44
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zerojayYeah, same method, but didn't work. Thanks anyways.20:46
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VDVsxzerojay, a new one or a old one ?20:47
Passelififerboy: what do you mean "some server"? is it installed as repository that contains new version of libqtgui ?20:47
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VDVsxit also depends in the firmware version, afaik20:47
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Passelidid mention to coldboot20:48
fiferboyPasseli: That was coldboot that said that, but I think they are using something other than a repository20:48
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Passelicoldboot: can you explain in more detail the delivery method of your custom qt library?20:51
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coldbootPasseli: A debian package gets put on some server, the client software on a computer downloads those updates, when the nokia tablet connects to the computer, the computer puts those packages on the internal sd card, then the nokia checks for updates on the card and installs them.21:01
coldbootPasseli: So we can push any update as a debian package, and it will get pushed to the nokias whenever they're hooked up to a computer.21:02
coldbootIt's not a debian repository, this server.21:02
coldbootIt's just a webserver.21:02
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zerojay - opinions, please.21:37
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Stskeepszerojay: count Mer in21:40
GAN800zerojay, no camel case.21:41
GAN800Add a space in there.21:41
GAN800Hum, did I ever give you admin access?21:42
zerojayDoubt it.21:42
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GAN800Ah, crap, phone's dying.21:42
zerojaySo just underscore between?21:42
Stskeepstime to get a N90021:42
GAN800zerojay, yeah.21:43
Stskeepszerojay: we have a set of part-mer-part-fremantle strings, en_US (by timeless), zh_CN (by dalin) and pl_PL (by tomaszd) on
GAN8006 hours of 3G21:43
Proteousnot bad21:43
Stskeepszerojay: which we will gladly participate in experiments on :)21:44
VDVsxGAN800, 5800 ?21:44
zerojayGreat, i appreciate that.21:44
GAN800Yeah, 5800.21:45
GAN800zerojay, all permissioned up.21:45
Stskeepszerojay: we were originally going to do a similar thing but didn't find a person to push it through the process21:45
VDVsxGAN800, see, not everything is bad :P21:45
zerojayI'm not letting it die, i promise.21:45
zerojayGan800: thanks21:46
Stskeepsi scaringily feel comfortable with the en_US strings in Mer.. they just feel more comfortable :P21:46
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zerojayIs there anything else I should do before throwing it into the task proposals or is it good enough as is?21:49
coldbootHow long does a build of qt-maemo take for you guys on ARM in sb1?21:49
coldbootfiferboy: Did it take long for you?21:50
fiferboycoldboot: To get to what point?  I have never done a full build...21:50
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fiferboycoldboot: I think you can check the OBS logs for the mer build, or the build logs for maemo extras21:50
coldbootfiferboy: Ah you just built* and copied it over, right? I'm trying to dpkg-buildpackage.21:50
fiferboycoldboot: Yes21:51
coldbootIs there a way to build only libqtgui4*.deb?21:51
Stskeepszerojay: it could be interesting to see if Transifex guys want to help out too21:51
fiferboycoldboot: Not really.  You can disable some stuff like WebKit in the config line, that would help21:51
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Stskeepsthey might have a professional interest in this on their resumes.21:51
Stskeeps(in required)21:51
zerojayThey appear to.21:51
zerojayAs i said below21:51
coldbootfiferboy: When I tried doing that before, it broke the build process...21:52
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fiferboycoldboot: What did you take out?21:54
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coldbootfiferboy: When I put `-make libs` and stuff in the ./configure params, it broke.21:55
coldbootI kept adding more -make lines to try to get it to work, but it kept failing.21:55
fiferboycoldboot: Ah.  I'm not sure what effect taking out WebKit would have, but I am going to try it sometime21:55
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Luke-Jrthat's what she said!22:09
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timeless_mbpanyone here have the latest fremantle sdk installed?22:17
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zerojayWould if i could, but i don't run debian. :(22:31
timeless_mbpinstall virtualbox22:32
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VDVsxtimeless_mbp, beta 2 here22:45
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Andy80hi all22:46
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woglindehe javis23:57

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