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| lardman | hmm, too much tapas | 00:23 |
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| * lardman is feeling even more lardy | 00:23 | |
| woglinde | lalalalaaaa | 00:23 |
| woglinde | I need some bacon | 00:24 |
| woglinde | hot and spicy now | 00:24 |
| lardman | hmm, had king prawns wrapped in bacon, quite nice | 00:24 |
| lardman | :) | 00:24 |
| * lcuk offers mr kipling lemon slices | 00:25 | |
| lardman | nope, more wine should do the trick I hope | 00:25 |
| lardman | but thanks :) | 00:25 |
| lcuk | you allowed to open it tonight? | 00:25 |
| lardman | already done | 00:26 |
| lcuk | woglinde, hot n spicy bacon o_O | 00:26 |
| lardman | I just thought I'd get in trouble yesterday as Holly had already gone to bed | 00:26 |
| * lcuk raises a glass | 00:26 | |
| lardman | cheers! | 00:26 |
| lcuk | why? would she shout cos the wine would be flat when she poured it on her cornflakes? | 00:27 |
| woglinde | hm its to warm for just one beer | 00:27 |
| woglinde | now I am drunken | 00:27 |
| lcuk | i have many | 00:27 |
| lcuk | whole box in fridge for once | 00:27 |
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| GAN800 | Half of Europe seems to be in the store today. | 00:34 |
| RST38h | it is kinda late for them too | 00:34 |
| lcuk | did they swim? | 00:37 |
| * javispedro finally finds a really useful gdb feature, only to discover it's not even implemented in the lenny version of gdb: http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb_7.html :( | 00:38 | |
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| RST38h | javis: "bt"? | 00:38 |
| javispedro | useless when combined with gdb's inabilty to bt when SIGILL | 00:39 |
| RST38h | heh | 00:39 |
| RST38h | how do you hit a sigill? | 00:39 |
| javispedro | some random code branched to some random location | 00:39 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 00:39 |
| javispedro | so as soon as it reaches the random location, it SIGILLs | 00:39 |
| javispedro | but of course | 00:39 |
| javispedro | there is no way for me to discover which instruction branched there | 00:40 |
| RST38h | well, this should not destruct the stack | 00:40 |
| RST38h | so you should still know what function called the function that branched | 00:40 |
| javispedro | a, manually locking at it! | 00:40 |
| * rkirti waits eagerly for something like JIVE to be extended to other langauges | 00:40 | |
| javispedro | genius!!! | 00:40 |
| * GAN800 mutters irritated things about the entitled central European tourists we get here. | 00:41 | |
| woglinde | *g* | 00:41 |
| woglinde | http://free-electrons.com/pub/video/2009/elc/elc2009-williams-linux-on-fpga.ogv | 00:41 |
| javispedro | *manually looking at it | 00:42 |
| RST38h | javis: actually, gdb should do this for you as well, everything but the last call | 00:43 |
| javispedro | RST38h, it does not. somehow it gets confused and says empty stack. I google and there seems to be a few cases of this | 00:43 |
| RST38h | stupid stupid gdb | 00:44 |
| woglinde | patch it | 00:44 |
| javispedro | ("SIGILL gdb arm backtrace") | 00:44 |
| * RST38h looks in awe at the VAX RET instruction | 00:45 | |
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| RST38h | restore FP,AP,PC, then optionally restore other 12 registers (there is a control word on stack that says which ones) then optionally restore SP, then update flags (but not ALL flags, just SOME) and finally jump to PC! | 00:46 |
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| RST38h | THAT is a real architecture, not your puny mov pc,lr! | 00:47 |
| woglinde | rst *g* | 00:47 |
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| javispedro | ARM has nearly 90% of that: LDMIA ! ^ ;) | 00:47 |
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| Jaffa | Rover's got FCC docs submitted: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/07/nokia-device-passes-fcc-for-t-mobile-usa-looks-an-awful-lot-lik/ | 00:52 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Ahhhaaaa!!!! | 00:52 |
| javispedro | wow | 00:52 |
| javispedro | RX-51 indeed | 00:52 |
| RST38h | lick the screen, quickly | 00:53 |
| GAN800 | Somebody ID the buttons and ports. | 00:53 |
| Jaffa | Engadget playing it dumb, or rather not doing any journalism to verify RX-51 is a known ID | 00:53 |
| javispedro | mirror the whole fcc site before it's slashdotted :) | 00:53 |
| javispedro | engadget IS dumb | 00:53 |
| RST38h | well it has got something like a lock switch on the bottom | 00:54 |
| javispedro | when the rover mockup appeared, they did not know what the "light sensor hole" was for | 00:54 |
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| RST38h | power button at the same spot as in N810 | 00:54 |
| RST38h | two more (possibly three) buttons on the top, look very much like FullScreen toggle and +- | 00:55 |
| RST38h | Folks, is it a microphone at the upper right corner or am I seeing things? | 00:55 |
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| GAN800 | No kickstand. . . . | 00:56 |
| GAN800 | I see speakers. | 00:56 |
| RST38h | ah forget the kickstand...where are the speakers? | 00:56 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, bet it's a camera button and not fullscreen. | 00:56 |
| GAN800 | The bumpy looking matched squares towards the left. | 00:57 |
| javispedro | the stylus sylo seems to have been moved to the bottom | 00:57 |
| RST38h | eGPRS850, WCDMA 1700/1200, WiFi | 00:57 |
| GAN800 | When's the confidentiality expire? | 00:57 |
| RST38h | They said no stylus, so is it back in? | 00:57 |
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| javispedro | just guessing, what's on the bottom left corner? | 00:58 |
| GAN800 | BL-5J | 00:58 |
| RST38h | And now, gentlement... | 00:58 |
| RST38h | This device has Voice-over-IP/Dual Transfer Mode capability for use at the ear. Therefore, SAR | 00:58 |
| RST38h | for multi slot GPRS mode was evaluated against the head profile of the phantom. Dual Transfer | 00:58 |
| RST38h | Mode is a feature that utilises the multi-slot GPRS capability in this device; it allows | 00:58 |
| RST38h | simultaneous transmission of voice and data during the same call, using the same transmitter | 00:58 |
| VDVsx | so has phone capabilities :) | 00:58 |
| RST38h | and antenna. | 00:58 |
| GAN800 | Is that the 5800's batt? | 00:59 |
| RST38h | Now you have it | 00:59 |
| RST38h | You are supposed to hold the sucker to your ear | 00:59 |
| RST38h | So, no headset-only operation | 00:59 |
| GAN800 | AC-10E charger | 00:59 |
| GAN800 | WH-205 headset. | 00:59 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: They never said no stylys definitely | 00:59 |
| GAN800 | Fuck | 01:00 |
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| GAN800 | Little pissant 1320mAh battery | 01:00 |
| GAN800 | Idiots. | 01:00 |
| RST38h | Won't a higher capacity one fit? I mean, all Nokia batteries look the same to me... | 01:01 |
| javispedro | lol, more hardware but less battery? | 01:01 |
| GAN800 | No | 01:01 |
| RST38h | Confidential for 90 days | 01:01 |
| GAN800 | BP-4L has different pins. | 01:01 |
| RST38h | Whoever hoped for 2 weeks, can exhale now. | 01:01 |
| GAN800 | They better not ship in Nov. | 01:02 |
| javispedro | T:\Projects\RX-51\TestPlan_RS\RS_testplan_RX-51.xls lol | 01:02 |
| RST38h | naaah, it is just a standard time period | 01:02 |
| RST38h | does not indicate shipment date | 01:02 |
| RST38h | javis: Any other stuff in those files? A few hidden binary blobs with images? =) | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | not al all, just found that path is actually visible data :P | 01:03 |
| javispedro | page 2 | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | FM TX | 01:03 |
| RST38h | yea, knew that one already | 01:03 |
| Jaffa | Any mention of GPS? Was mentioned in N810s FCC docs IIRC | 01:03 |
| RST38h | I hope tv out is there too | 01:03 |
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| RST38h | I do not see any mention of gps in the report | 01:04 |
| RST38h | but the report only seems to deal with transmitting equipment | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | is one of the pdfs broken | 01:04 |
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| lcuk | id label/location info | 01:04 |
| VDVsx | camera cover -> Camera Slide closed | 01:04 |
| RST38h | yea, GAN is absolutely right, it has got speaker grills on top/bottom sides | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Yeah, which is why I was surprised to see it on the N810 docs | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | Which PDF has the layouts? | 01:05 |
| javispedro | there's only one layout, the one engadget shown | 01:05 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Sticker placement | 01:05 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 01:05 |
| RST38h | or whatever it is called...FCC ID label | 01:06 |
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| javispedro | well, up so far, only the kickstand absence worries me | 01:07 |
| lcuk | o_O | 01:07 |
| lcuk | what is phantom head | 01:08 |
| Jaffa | No kickstands a kicker. Maybe it slides the screen like an N97? | 01:08 |
| GAN800 | Stylus is on the bottom right. | 01:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Simulation of human head | 01:08 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, let's hope. | 01:08 |
| GAN800 | removing the kickstand would truly be the dumbest thing they've ever done. | 01:08 |
| lcuk | Measurements were made in “cheek” and “tilt” positions on both the left hand and right hand | 01:08 |
| lcuk | sides of the phantom. o_O you are right | 01:08 |
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| GAN800 | and they've done some idiotic goddamn shit. | 01:09 |
| javispedro | GAN800, ... the dumbest thing they've ever done... for now. ;) | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | javispedro, Nokia is a company that excells at dashing my optimism. | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | Thanlfully I don't have any left. | 01:09 |
| GAN800 | s/anl/ank/ | 01:10 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: Thankfully I don't have any left. | 01:10 |
| javispedro | On the other side. If i were to choose between horrid N810-like GPS and kickstand, I would still choose horrid GPS. | 01:10 |
| RST38h | GAN: You seriously can't think of dumber things than removing a kickstand? =) | 01:11 |
| RST38h | I mean, possibilities boggle the mind... | 01:12 |
| GAN800 | Without kickstand a large number of my use cases just go right out the window. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | RST38h, I once said in the forums it was the N810 feature that most impressed. I still find it true. | 01:12 |
| GAN800 | Clearly Nokia listens and cares what their customers think, though. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | *most impressed me, of course. | 01:12 |
| RST38h | I am sure you can make one, quickly | 01:12 |
| RST38h | like the one 5800 comes with, you can actually use that one | 01:12 |
| GAN800 | The 5800 comes with a 770 stand. | 01:13 |
| * RST38h has got his 810 in a case, so no kickstand, no removing SD card, and no USB | 01:13 | |
| RST38h | But it feels just like a little paperback when using FBReader rotated by 270o | 01:13 |
| lcuk | leather carry round? | 01:14 |
| javispedro | the easter egg for the rover: kickstand, but you have to unsolder it first :P | 01:14 |
| RST38h | yes, the one from Boxwave | 01:14 |
| lcuk | cool | 01:14 |
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| RST38h | javis: Or, what we think is a stylus, is actually a collapsible kickstand | 01:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the coolest thing is that keyboard still works under a layer of soft plastic :) | 01:15 |
| javispedro | it looks "an awful lok like a stylus", in Engadget words :P | 01:16 |
| javispedro | s/lok/lot/ | 01:16 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: it looks "an awful lot like a stylus", in Engadget words :P | 01:16 |
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| javispedro | oh well, not that much new information anyway | 01:17 |
| * lardman tries to decide between DSP hacking and watching the cricket highlights | 01:17 | |
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| woglinde | dsp | 01:18 |
| * javispedro grabs popcorn and browses to tmo | 01:18 | |
| woglinde | lardman what you are doing with dsp? | 01:18 |
| lardman | woglinde: hmm, we'll see | 01:18 |
| lardman | FFT analysis of microphone input | 01:18 |
| woglinde | *g* | 01:18 |
| lcuk | lol woglinde if he has asked the question it means cricket has already won | 01:18 |
| lardman | just as a little project | 01:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: so true | 01:19 |
| RST38h | javis: well we now know for sure it is a real phone | 01:19 |
| lardman | but I will come back afterwards :) | 01:19 |
| RST38h | javis: not a sidekick-like gadget | 01:19 |
| lcuk | lardman, no1 has done anything fun with the mic before | 01:19 |
| lcuk | its gonna have practical benefits here for many things i think | 01:19 |
| lcuk | (around here i mean) | 01:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: I can drop a couple fun projects related to that | 01:20 |
| RST38h | lardman: HAM radio related | 01:20 |
| lcuk | :D irc 0.1 | 01:21 |
| lardman | someone was asking for a graphical equaliser sort of animation a while back and I said no problem, but didn't have time to do it | 01:21 |
| javispedro | multiplayer notepad 0.01 | 01:21 |
| lardman | RST38h: sure thing, write up what you;re after | 01:21 |
| lardman | and send me a link and we can sort something ouyt | 01:21 |
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| RST38h | lardman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Communications_Addressing_and_Reporting_System | 01:21 |
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| lardman | hmm, wine is stopping typing working too well ;) | 01:22 |
| RST38h | lardman: There is a program (WACARS) that will decode ACARS messages from an audio input connected to a radio scanner | 01:22 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i read that as finishing aircraft comms addressing and rebooting system | 01:22 |
| lcuk | i thought "why would you reboot a plane in the air" | 01:22 |
| RST38h | lardman: It is pretty neat, will even let you map flight locations | 01:22 |
| lardman | RST38h: sounds interesting | 01:22 |
| javispedro | "why would you finish an aircraft" sounds like an interesting question too :D | 01:22 |
| lardman | will presumably let me know when the next Airbus is falling out of the sky..? ;)_ | 01:23 |
| lcuk | lol | 01:23 |
| lcuk | wow RST38h thats cool | 01:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: There is a few other digital comm protocols that you can try decoding, although most people agree that these will require a special piece of hardware | 01:23 |
| RST38h | lardman: Very simple piece, but still | 01:23 |
| * lcuk goes back to particles | 01:23 | |
| RST38h | lardman: More or less. ACARS is basically telemetry, so you will know in advance, yes | 01:23 |
| javispedro | heh | 01:24 |
| javispedro | tmo is right | 01:24 |
| _dl9pf_ | RST38h: there's acarsd | 01:25 |
| javispedro | I mean http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/05/25/nokia-rover-is-an-n97-killer-internet-tablet.aspx | 01:25 |
| javispedro | layouts seem to match | 01:25 |
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| RST38h | d19pf: Yes, but the only tool that I found complete enough was WACARS | 01:25 |
| javispedro | hope that seriously does not meen 3-row keyboard | 01:26 |
| RST38h | I am afraid it does | 01:26 |
| lardman | RST38h: so what is the encoding then? The page descibed what it does, but not how it's encoded | 01:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: google for ACARS and you should find a lot of links | 01:28 |
| RST38h | including acarsd d19pf mentioned | 01:28 |
| RST38h | ok, sleep time. | 01:28 |
| RST38h | it is 2:28. | 01:28 |
| javispedro | so here we have nokia's dumbest action .. for now... 3-row keyboard :P | 01:29 |
| javispedro | oh, well. | 01:29 |
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| * Mek found it quite usable... | 01:30 | |
| lardman | RST38h: if you can put together a doc describing exactly what it is (the encoding) I'd be happy to try to write some code for you | 01:30 |
| lardman | rather than me trawling the interweb looking for stuff I don't know much about | 01:31 |
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| lardman | hmm, interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/07/nokia-device-passes-fcc-for-t-mobile-usa-looks-an-awful-lot-lik/ | 01:32 |
| lardman | anyone got a link to the FCC docs? | 01:33 |
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| javispedro | lardman, click on the layout picture and it'll take you to the docs | 01:34 |
| JoeBrain | Yearr when you click on "Read More" also | 01:34 |
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| lardman | ah, too easy :). Thanks | 01:35 |
| VDVsx | or read the back log :P | 01:35 |
| VDVsx | summarized info ;) | 01:35 |
| lardman | ok, so I'm just a little slow; it's Friday evening after all! :) | 01:38 |
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| javispedro | don't worry, but be ready for nearly a thousand topics talking about the same thing in tmo ;) | 01:39 |
| lardman | I didn't see much in there to talk about tbh | 01:39 |
| lardman | :) | 01:39 |
| javispedro | too early yet | 01:39 |
| lardman | nothing new anyway, will have to wait for the confidentiality period to elaspe | 01:39 |
| lardman | elapse even | 01:39 |
| VDVsx | "where is the dpad ?" "where is the stylus and kickstand ?" :P | 01:40 |
| javispedro | "what about the 3-row keyboard?" | 01:40 |
| javispedro | "and the gps?" | 01:40 |
| VDVsx | lol | 01:40 |
| lardman | was any of that in there?! | 01:40 |
| lardman | :) | 01:40 |
| * lardman is shocked to see the council has replied to his email about potholes | 01:41 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | "We got your e-mail. We won't be doing nothin' about it. KTHXBYE" | 01:42 |
| VDVsx | no new thread yet ? | 01:42 |
| VDVsx | ah, there's one, alright :P | 01:42 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: close, something like "thanks for the email, it's been logged, but it might take up to a month for anyone to look at the road; bye!" | 01:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | heh | 01:43 |
| javispedro | so now Transportation is too under the Maemo(not.org) Council? :D | 01:44 |
| lardman | no, I just worry about bending my wheels driving to work | 01:45 |
| lardman | I should probably walk | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Get hydraulics and bounce over the holes | 01:45 |
| lardman | tank? :))) | 01:45 |
| lardman | that'll learn 'em | 01:46 |
| * javispedro is still battling with gdb | 01:46 | |
| javispedro | does anyone know for a way to just list the damn 10 $pc values of execution | 01:46 |
| javispedro | previous to the crash | 01:46 |
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| lardman | no idea, gdb isn't very well supported on ARM so I don't tend to bother | 01:47 |
| javispedro | cause the stack is pretty funny: 0x202020200x202020200x202020200x2e202020 | 01:47 |
| lardman | yeah, it doesn't deal very well with some of the GCC optimisations iirc | 01:48 |
| lardman | gets confused | 01:48 |
| javispedro | i'm at -O0 now | 01:48 |
| javispedro | but yeah, it sucks. | 01:49 |
| javispedro | valgrind not being in arm also adds to the injury | 01:49 |
| lardman | would be a useful GSoC project now I think of it, improving support, etc. | 01:49 |
| lardman | printf all the way ;) | 01:49 |
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| javispedro | printf is what I normally use, but when the codebase is 3MiB and I have basically _no idea_ what's going on, it sucks | 01:50 |
| lardman | yeah tell me about it, that's DSP debugging for you using DSP Gateway ;) | 01:50 |
| lcuk | :O | 01:50 |
| javispedro | lol true :) | 01:51 |
| lardman | none of the fancy hooks the Ti gateway offers :) | 01:51 |
| javispedro | good luck | 01:51 |
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| lardman | I live in hope that the omap3 debugging tools will be friendlier than printf | 01:51 |
| lardman | Anyway, time to watch the cricket | 01:51 |
| lcuk | holy crap | 01:51 |
| lardman | night all, see you on the morrow :) | 01:52 |
| javispedro | gnite | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | lardman, simple particle field. draw a sketch and have each particle adjust its position based on how far from points along the stroke it is | 01:52 |
| lcuk | make a circle and they all floaw around it | 01:52 |
| javispedro | too late :) | 01:52 |
| lcuk | bollocks! | 01:52 |
| lcuk | this is fuckin wicked | 01:52 |
| lcuk | its completely freeform affine transformations | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | it acts like a lorenz attractor :) | 02:05 |
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| javispedro | aha, a total of 971 print statements. gnu sed is truly magic :) | 02:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Dare you to do the same by hand next time :P | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ouch, brontide aint comin' back. | 02:12 |
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| javispedro | and beat me senseless if the fr*ing bug was "push {r0, lr}" but "pop {lr}" only | 02:16 |
| javispedro | it was. | 02:17 |
| javispedro | :( | 02:17 |
| woglinde | javis hm? | 02:22 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Heh, seeing "#ifdef __HAIKU__" in Transmission source code brought back memories of BeOS | 02:27 |
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| ideamonk | I followed http://danielkitta.org/howto/maemo-amd64 till the end, now I'm getting these after the scratchbox installation - http://paste.ubuntu.com/249560/ where did I go wrong ? | 06:05 |
| ideamonk | anyone there ? | 06:08 |
| ukki | is that with jaunty? | 06:09 |
| ideamonk | ukki, yeah ! | 06:10 |
| ideamonk | jaunty not supported ? | 06:10 |
| ukki | it is, you just need to set few sysctls | 06:11 |
| ukki | just a sec | 06:11 |
| ideamonk | k | 06:12 |
| ukki | try adding thes to your /etc/sysctl.conf | 06:12 |
| ukki | abi.vsyscall32 = 0 | 06:12 |
| ukki | vm.mmap_min_addr = 4096 | 06:12 |
| ukki | then run sysctl -p | 06:12 |
| ideamonk | ukki, Yeah! it worked | 06:14 |
| ideamonk | thanks :) | 06:14 |
| ukki | you may want to put that sysctl -p to your rc.local, i think ubuntu overrides those settings in its rc-scripts | 06:15 |
| ideamonk | yeah, done that | 06:17 |
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| ideamonk | i was following http://danielkitta.org/howto/maemo-amd64 and have reached to http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall, upon giving "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime" i get the following error -- /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set. How do I set that variable ? | 07:08 |
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| ideamonk | i was following http://danielkitta.org/howto/maemo-amd64 and have reached to http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall, upon giving "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime" i get the following error -- /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set. How do I set that variable ? | 08:19 |
| ideamonk | oops | 08:19 |
| ideamonk | mistype | 08:19 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: it does say 'tilt position' | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | also, '#define MCE_ORIENTATION_ON_STAND"on_stand" | 09:02 |
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| d34dm4n | guys which linux are you all using for maemo ddevelopment ? | 09:06 |
| d34dm4n | I've heard that it runs only on Debian | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | i use ubuntu personally | 09:07 |
| d34dm4n | 9.04 ? | 09:07 |
| d34dm4n | and has anyone tried setting up maemo on opensuse ? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | there's installation guides | 09:10 |
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| Jaffa | Morning all | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | morning Jaffa | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | FCC filing morning :) | 10:13 |
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| Jaffa | Yeah | 10:16 |
| Jaffa | I pasted the linhk last night | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:18 |
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| Jaffa | :) | 10:25 |
| RST38h | Eric Schmidt has been paid in Apple products for serving on Apple board =) | 10:28 |
| RST38h | The ultimate nut =) | 10:28 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, hi. how was that gstreamer closed plugin named? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: hantro, but it's not important | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's ARM codec only | 10:28 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, google buys on2 | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | yeah i know | 10:29 |
| slonopotamus | so we can try asking for it from google :) | 10:30 |
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| RST38h | why would you need an on2 codec? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | hantro does h264 codecs | 10:32 |
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| RST38h | Shit, I am tired of this :( | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | which, the RX-51? :P | 11:36 |
| RST38h | Every time these idiots upgrade DC++ client, even by a tertiary version number, it "forgets" about Cyrillic support | 11:36 |
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| RST38h | ahahahaha! found it!!!! | 11:54 |
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| woglinde | rst found what? | 11:59 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: found what was wrong | 12:01 |
| RST38h | some windows update reset default language support in windows settings | 12:01 |
| woglinde | haha | 12:02 |
| woglinde | lol | 12:02 |
| woglinde | poor windows and localization | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i found test report 2 and HAC rf in the rx-51 stuff | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there before | 12:03 |
| RST38h | well, it actually works when set up properly | 12:03 |
| RST38h | Linux does not | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=700650&fcc_id=%27LJPRX-51%27 | 12:03 |
| woglinde | huh? | 12:03 |
| woglinde | linux works the same | 12:03 |
| RST38h | what is HAC? | 12:03 |
| woglinde | if you set up it right | 12:03 |
| RST38h | No | 12:03 |
| woglinde | hi stskeep | 12:03 |
| woglinde | rst sure | 12:03 |
| RST38h | This has been discussed before | 12:03 |
| thux | ot wonder is there place to file symbian bugs think i found one related to screen saver timeout and back light off | 12:04 |
| RST38h | Basically, if I do not set locale, a lot of programs will not support cyrillics, and if I set up locale, the system starts printing dates in Russian | 12:04 |
| woglinde | whats the problem with dates in russian? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 12:05 |
| RST38h | And there is apparently no way to set it properly (i.e. system uses US or UK locale but apps assume cyrillics) | 12:05 |
| woglinde | set the locale for date to something else | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Sum&calledFromFrame=N&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=700650&fcc_id=%27LJPRX-51%27 | 12:05 |
| RST38h | woglinde: Look ugly, fonts are somewhat out of alignment | 12:05 |
| RST38h | sts: =) | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | glance at the "available date" | 12:05 |
| woglinde | then use another font | 12:05 |
| RST38h | woglinde: thank you but I would rather just see dates in english | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | 11/08/2009 internal + external photos available | 12:06 |
| RST38h | =) | 12:06 |
| woglinde | rst set LC_TIME | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | wait.. is the MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY? :P | 12:06 |
| woglinde | hms | 12:06 |
| woglinde | my son wnats to drive bycicle | 12:06 |
| woglinde | till later | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | oh god damnit, not a november release.. | 12:07 |
| RST38h | hehe | 12:07 |
| * qwerty12_N810 is waiting for the Harmattan release | 12:07 | |
| RST38h | woglinde: does not work =( | 12:07 |
| RST38h | dunno why, can only conclude that locale support is broken | 12:07 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I suggest a new SPENT_ON_HARMATTAN tag =) | 12:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :P | 12:08 |
| RST38h | qwerty: As in "not buying fremantle device, will spend on harmattan" | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | when was N800 released again? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | 1 december? | 12:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: That pretty much sums what I'll be doing :) | 12:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | +up | 12:09 |
| RST38h | 11/08/09 is when confidentiality expires | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | so we have an upper bound for announcement | 12:10 |
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| RST38h | yeo | 12:10 |
| RST38h | p | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | time to place bets! | 12:10 |
| VDVsx | bets... :) | 12:11 |
| VDVsx | morning all :) | 12:11 |
| RST38h | GAN is right, if it is AFTER the summit, a lot of people will be majorly pissed | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I'd assume that you should get included in a device programme, if there is one. | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | Might be the next council which decides, which is worrying if someone like penguinbait gets elected. | 12:13 |
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| * Jaffa can't imagine him being quite as thorough in things like meeting minutes, and agile methodologies IYSWIM | 12:14 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: I've never programmed anything; just did shit ports of programs :) | 12:14 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Device programmes aren't just for programmers ;-p | 12:14 |
| ukki | qwerty12_N810: that is getting old | 12:14 |
| ukki | qwerty12_N810: you if anyone should get it | 12:15 |
| Jaffa | Anyone who enriches the community | 12:15 |
| RST38h | Just write something on your own already so that you no longer can claim the above | 12:15 |
| Jaffa | Patching HAM; Helping other packagers on tmo; active in the community | 12:16 |
| Jaffa | It's a no brainer, TBH | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | device programmes usually do require a bit of payment though doesn't it? | 12:16 |
| Jaffa | Historically $99 or 69eur IIRC | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 12:17 |
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| RST38h | $150. | 12:18 |
| RST38h | not $99. No idea about euros. | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | Last one was 99eur and local equivs. http://maemo.org/news/announcements/1192708879/ | 12:19 |
| Jaffa | Which was 69gbp | 12:20 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: You're #6 on karma. I think that entitles you to a device discount (if there is a programme for the RX-51) | 12:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | 903 for products. Blimey, what're you down as the (co-)author of?! | 12:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Can't even remember fully now :/ | 12:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (Old maemo.org site did make it a little easier by having a list :)) | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | Indeed :( | 12:26 |
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| javispedro | (checked the logs) | 13:00 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, cool (the kickstand thing). Hope it indicates something. | 13:00 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:01 |
| javispedro | ~seen ideamonk | 13:01 |
| infobot | ideamonk is currently on #maemo (23m 34s), last said: 'mistype'. | 13:01 |
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| javispedro | ah, ideamonk, did you get sbox working? | 13:01 |
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| javispedro | morning lardman | 13:02 |
| ideamonk | javispedro, i could.nt get apt-get working inside sbox | 13:02 |
| ideamonk | javispedro, im planning to get ubuntu 32bit and end up all the hassles in 40 minutes :) | 13:02 |
| javispedro | i doubt this is related to amd64 | 13:02 |
| javispedro | in facted I wanted you to test something... | 13:03 |
| ideamonk | tellme | 13:03 |
| ideamonk | javispedro, im trying again | 13:03 |
| javispedro | as root, do sysctl abi.vsyscall32=2 | 13:04 |
| javispedro | (notice it's 0 instead of 2) | 13:04 |
| javispedro | argh | 13:04 |
| javispedro | *(notice it's 2 instead of 0) | 13:04 |
| ideamonk | hmm 1 sec | 13:04 |
| javispedro | then try to launch scratchbox and see what happens | 13:04 |
| ideamonk | hmm same thing.. | 13:05 |
| javispedro | same thing means it launches OK? | 13:05 |
| javispedro | no rtld assertion failure? | 13:05 |
| ideamonk | nopes | 13:05 |
| javispedro | good, thanks | 13:05 |
| ideamonk | Welcome to Scratchbox, the cross-compilation toolkit! | 13:05 |
| ideamonk | Use 'sb-menu' to change your compilation target. | 13:05 |
| ideamonk | See /scratchbox/doc/ for documentation. | 13:05 |
| ideamonk | but man im stuck at http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall | 13:06 |
| ideamonk | STEP 6 | 13:06 |
| javispedro | you can leave vsyscall32 set to 2, should result in better performance than leaving it to 0 | 13:06 |
| ideamonk | apt-get isn't wroking | 13:06 |
| javispedro | log? | 13:06 |
| ideamonk | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > apt-get update | 13:06 |
| ideamonk | Error loading /usr/bin/apt-get | 13:06 |
| ideamonk | thats all i get | 13:06 |
| javispedro | try gcc -v? | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | hmm | 13:07 |
| javispedro | (don't paste the full output, just check it if does not say "Error loading") | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | Reading specs from /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/gcc.specs | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | rename spec cpp to old_cpp | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | rename spec cc1 to old_cc1 | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | rename spec cc1plus to old_cc1plus | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | rename spec link to old_link | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | Target: i486-pc-linux-gnu | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | Configured with: /home/jhakala/cs2007q3+sb2/build2/src/gcc-4.2/configure --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --target=i486-pc-linux-gnu --enable-threads --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --disable-libgomp --disable-libstdcxx-pch --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-shared --enable-symvers=gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-nls --prefix=/opt/maemo --with-sysroot=/opt/maemo/i486-pc-linux-gnu/libc --with-build | 13:07 |
| javispedro | too late :) | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | -sysroot=/home/jhakala/cs2007q3+sb2/build2/install/i486-pc-linux-gnu/libc --with-build-time-tools=/home/jhakala/cs2007q3+sb2/build2/install/i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin | 13:07 |
| ideamonk | Thread model: posix | 13:08 |
| ideamonk | gcc version 4.2.1 | 13:08 |
| ideamonk | oh | 13:08 |
| ideamonk | lol no error! | 13:08 |
| ideamonk | yeah too late :) | 13:08 |
| javispedro | sb-conf show --devkits? | 13:09 |
| ideamonk | javispedro, im trying with sb-menu again maybe i missed something, which CPU-transparency method to use / | 13:09 |
| ideamonk | ? | 13:09 |
| javispedro | probably not since you're in X86 mode, there should be not CPU-transparency method involved | 13:09 |
| javispedro | ideamonk, try "sb-conf show" | 13:09 |
| ideamonk | ok | 13:09 |
| ideamonk | Compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 | 13:10 |
| ideamonk | Devkits: cputransp | 13:10 |
| ideamonk | CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-i386-0.8.2-sb2 | 13:10 |
| ideamonk | hmm i guess i've got cputrans enables | 13:10 |
| ideamonk | *enabled | 13:10 |
| javispedro | yes :) | 13:10 |
| javispedro | and not all devkits installed/selected | 13:10 |
| javispedro | on my installation devkits are "perl debian-etch doctools svn git" and no cputransp. | 13:11 |
| ideamonk | okay so shall i go through sb-menu and select them | 13:11 |
| ideamonk | yeah i guess i missed selecting them | 13:11 |
| javispedro | and select "none" as cputransp if asked | 13:11 |
| ideamonk | on ubuntu should one select debian-* ? | 13:11 |
| javispedro | yes | 13:11 |
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| javispedro | btw ideamonk, did the automated sdk installation fail? | 13:12 |
| ideamonk | javispedro, hmm didn't try this time though, last time i tried it failed for amd64 | 13:13 |
| ukki | try running it with setarch | 13:15 |
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| ideamonk | javispedro, yess i selected all, and now apt-get works... | 13:16 |
| ideamonk | woohoo i can proceed from step 6 now :) | 13:16 |
| javispedro | remember to prefix with "fakeroot" | 13:16 |
| ideamonk | yeah :) | 13:16 |
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| RST38h | Ho ho ho | 13:26 |
| lcuk | where? | 13:26 |
| lcuk | and how much are they | 13:26 |
| woglinde | re | 13:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In VMS. | 13:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Free. | 13:26 |
| * Stskeeps ponders to start a betting pool on which week the RX-51 gets announced | 13:26 | |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, there's one already, kind of | 13:27 |
| VDVsx | is just a thread, no pool :P | 13:27 |
| RST38h | And if you want to be different, wait for RX-71! | 13:27 |
| VDVsx | ehhehe | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: couldn't find RX-71 in FCC :P | 13:28 |
| VDVsx | must better | 13:28 |
| VDVsx | *much | 13:28 |
| * RST38h ponders on what the world has come to due to consumerism | 13:28 | |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: well we have an upper limit on when FCC will show the pictures | 13:28 |
| RST38h | Yes, there is only one way, one way... | 13:28 |
| RST38h | The Tentacled One should harvest all the humans. | 13:28 |
| RST38h | =) | 13:28 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, they(nokia) probably can request a extension on the conf time | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | mm, probably | 13:29 |
| RST38h | Most definitely | 13:29 |
| aol | Stskeeps: easy.... nokia world | 13:29 |
| VDVsx | anyway, I'm betting for Sep 2 | 13:29 |
| RST38h | In fact, they do not even have to release it. Just because they sent it to FCC for approval does not mean the actual product gets released. | 13:30 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, true, happened in the past | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | my bet is sep 2, and two handsets this year | 13:31 |
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| aol | two ? huh | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | the RX-51 and RX-71 | 13:32 |
| woglinde | hm rx-71 | 13:32 |
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| aol | any guesses how 71 will be different ? | 13:32 |
| lcuk | neural interface | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | and then a wider strategy with more devices next year, moving away from symbian | 13:33 |
| * qwerty12_N810 hopes that "Maemo Signed" will not be a reality due to network operators, etc. I like being able to install whatever :) | 13:34 | |
| javispedro | "Maemo Signed"???? | 13:35 |
| javispedro | that's the dumbest decision nokia has ever made... for now. | 13:35 |
| VDVsx | nah, symbian also has big plans, I think they will co-exist, and share a lot of things between them | 13:35 |
| aol | I'm pretty sure they will | 13:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Symbian Signed" was the most stupidest shit I ever saw, it took me fkn ages to find a way to sign up | 13:35 |
| aol | but symbian will be for the midrange phones | 13:35 |
| javispedro | VDVsx, agree. seeing the symbian roadmap I believe it's not going to disappear anytime soon. | 13:35 |
| lcuk | qt will extend the utility of symbian for a while yet | 13:36 |
| lcuk | even if not directly | 13:36 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, wheres the maemo signed thingy | 13:37 |
| lcuk | is it mentioned in the fcc stuff or elsewhere | 13:37 |
| javispedro | I think it's fortunately not :) | 13:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, it doesn't exist, hence the quotation marks | 13:38 |
| VDVsx | hell no, please please :P | 13:38 |
| VDVsx | maemo signed == bye bye community :) | 13:39 |
| javispedro | I'm already worried about what the whole carrier thingie will mean | 13:40 |
| aol | my guess is that they would do iphone like app distribution | 13:40 |
| aol | and for the nerds you could turn on some feature to install what ever | 13:40 |
| javispedro | imagine locked, special firmware versions for each carrier. | 13:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Didn't Diablo already have one for some Singapore carrier? | 13:41 |
| VDVsx | special carrier firware's are a PITA | 13:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Singtel, that's the one | 13:41 |
| VDVsx | you've to wait and wait.... and wait for the firmware updates :( | 13:42 |
| javispedro | FWIW, tmo thread about the singtel firmware: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24019 | 13:42 |
| * qwerty12_N810 always debrands his phones | 13:42 | |
| * javispedro will have to start doing it if he's not allower to buy free | 13:42 | |
| * lcuk takes a branding iron down to london | 13:42 | |
| VDVsx | funny, didn't know that pearl:) | 13:42 |
| * javispedro 's current siemens phone was bought liberated and he's very happy, probably the best cell-related decision he ever made. | 13:44 | |
| * aol never buys his phones with contract | 13:44 | |
| lardman | I hate Makefiles | 13:44 |
| rkirti | /join #iitm-linux | 13:45 |
| rkirti | / | 13:45 |
| javispedro | crappy Movistar/Telefonica firmware tended to replace some of my themes' bitmaps with movistar logos and the useful screensaver clock with the useless rotating movistar logo screensaver | 13:45 |
| rkirti | oops. | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be interesting to see how SIM lock will be done | 13:45 |
| * rkirti has a screwed up keyboard | 13:45 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Orange totally nuked the menu on my phone :( | 13:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Telefonica... o2 here, which do the same as what you said | 13:46 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, same here, with the 3 major carriers :( | 13:46 |
| javispedro | can't wait to see how they'll fsck Maemo | 13:47 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, nokia has a lot of SIM lock technologies, but none is bulletproof right now | 13:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~bitchslap libosso | 13:48 |
| * infobot beats the sh*t out of libosso | 13:48 | |
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| rkirti | libosso itself is still bearable compared to the muali stuff doped in it | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | anyone uses muali? :P | 13:51 |
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| lardman | aargh, bloody Makefiles | 13:54 |
| * lardman goes out in disgust | 13:54 | |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, use cmake :P | 13:54 |
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| VDVsx | humm, is it possible to use bluez in sbox ? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 14:07 |
| lardman|away | slonopotamus: is it better? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's why i like the VM approach of mer, timeless got his bluetooth working in Mer but not his host PC ;) | 14:07 |
| lardman|away | is for DSP module building, so strange options and filename extensions | 14:08 |
| `0660_ | :) | 14:08 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, ehehe | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | seriously though.. if diablo exists at x86, they could easily have made it bootable :P | 14:10 |
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| Stskeeps | that would have made a lot of people happy | 14:10 |
| lardman|away | bbl | 14:11 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, that fcc drawing suggests a device not much smaller then a N8*0, if its a 1:1 scale... | 14:29 |
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| `0660_ | i wouldn't bet it on being on 1:1 scale :) | 14:35 |
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| wazd_n800 | heya everyone | 14:40 |
| VDVsx | hello wazd_n800 :) | 14:41 |
| ideamonk | anyone coming for ilug bangalore meet this evening ? | 14:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sure, but only if you pay for my flight | 14:42 |
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| ideamonk | qwerty12_N810, ah :) maybe some other time, was looking for any maemo devs to get hold of | 14:42 |
| ideamonk | bye guys | 14:42 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 14:46 |
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| Zhilin_n800 | new tablet seen at FCC?) | 14:47 |
| RST38h | yep. | 14:47 |
| Zhilin_n800 | how's it?) | 14:48 |
| Zhilin_n800 | worth seeing?) | 14:48 |
| RST38h | if you like peering at FCC labels and device outlines, then yes | 14:49 |
| RST38h | the outline does look similar to N810 in many ways | 14:49 |
| RST38h | And yes, there is a direct mention in the testing docs that you are supposed to hold it to your ear. | 14:50 |
| Zhilin_n800 | oh, I thought there will be photos or something :) | 14:50 |
| RST38h | Everything closed until November 8 2009 | 14:50 |
| Zhilin_n800 | hmm, I think untill october 9 :) | 14:51 |
| RST38h | it said 11/x/x | 14:51 |
| Zhilin_n800 | RST38h, I'm pretty sure they will show it at the summit :) | 14:52 |
| VDVsx | Zhilin_n800, nokia world in Sep :) | 14:53 |
| Zhilin_n800 | VDVsx, maybe :) | 14:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: If no, there is weed in Amsterdam. | 14:53 |
| VDVsx | I bet on that :P | 14:53 |
| VDVsx | Sep 2 :) | 14:53 |
| Zhilin_n800 | VDVsx, Fremantle can be unfinished in sep 2 | 14:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Free zut with every purchase of Nokia's new phone" | 14:54 |
| VDVsx | Zhilin_n800, yup, but they can show it anyway, like they did with the n97 | 14:55 |
| t_s_o | hmm, 90 days... | 14:55 |
| t_s_o | that lands it in october, if its counted from the day the other documents are made public. or september if from when it was submitted... | 14:56 |
| woglinde | I bet dec for christmas presents | 14:57 |
| Zhilin_n800 | I like how they call it "superphone" :) | 14:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I wouldn't take that too closely; the N95 was a "mini-computer" or someshit... | 14:57 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, very advanced for his time, at least :) | 14:58 |
| t_s_o | oh crap, shark in the html5 waters... | 14:58 |
| Zhilin_n800 | qwerty12_N810, mini-computer was nokia's branding | 14:58 |
| Zhilin_n800 | qwerty12_N810, superphone - mass media's :) | 14:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: N97 is also a mini computer btw | 14:59 |
| RST38h | qwerty: And BOTH N95 and N97 were the "first super computer" :) | 14:59 |
| woglinde | *g* | 15:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 15:00 |
| RST38h | s/super/mini | 15:00 |
| * RST38h suspects that the whole idea of "choosing an audience" and then advertising for this audience is flowed | 15:01 | |
| t_s_o | i would say that pda/phone makes computers even more personal... | 15:02 |
| RST38h | It is like you choose a direction and walk in that direction, not minding the light poles, other people, traffic, and manholes | 15:02 |
| RST38h | But that is exactly what Nokia is doing by targeting its N-series to "hip city dwellers" whatever these animals are | 15:02 |
| Zhilin_n800 | but at least FCC appearance is a good sign, cause something is really going on :) | 15:05 |
| RST38h | also notice there is a stylus included | 15:05 |
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| Zhilin_n800 | RST38h, oh, nice :) They made it for lcuk :D | 15:06 |
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| RST38h | yes, he can store his finger there =) | 15:07 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, eeew :) | 15:07 |
| RST38h | people already lament the lack of led | 15:08 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, who needs led :) | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | I like LEDs! The replace shiny iPhone bodies as my fetish object! | 15:10 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, is there any kb shown? | 15:10 |
| RST38h | nope | 15:11 |
| RST38h | no side view | 15:12 |
| * qwerty12_N810 wonders who'll be the first to write the standard "Vibration" app... | 15:12 | |
| lcuk | :D yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy stylusa | 15:12 |
| lcuk | -a | 15:12 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Who do you think we all are? iPhone users? | 15:12 |
| lcuk | i wonder how well particle systems will work on this device. im looking forward to more horsepower | 15:13 |
| RST38h | how many particles are you looking at?=) | 15:13 |
| lcuk | i might even have enough to run c++ :D | 15:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Hey, it's a phone after all, I've seen Java, Symbian apps, etc. for this purpose... :P | 15:13 |
| lcuk | well in original liqbase there are 2000 stars | 15:14 |
| lcuk | but they arent interacting particles | 15:14 |
| lcuk | i couldnt get them working with more than about 100 last time i tried | 15:14 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Yes, but you need a large enough userbase for this kind of an app | 15:14 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk: cool useless effects ftw =) | 15:14 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Difficult to get outside of iPhone market! | 15:14 |
| lcuk | wazd_n800, not just useless | 15:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I am pretty sure you can simulate a dozen or so with n810 without breaking a sweat | 15:15 |
| lcuk | RST38h, and original liqbase had "particles" for the physics view | 15:15 |
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| wazd_n800 | k, I've reached my station, gotta ride home :) | 15:15 |
| lcuk | it happily allowed interaction of a few tiles | 15:15 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it handled a few more than a dozen | 15:16 |
| lcuk | but they were tiles rather than particles | 15:16 |
| wazd_n800 | cya in 30 mins | 15:16 |
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| woglinde | bye wazd | 15:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: even better! | 15:16 |
| lcuk | yeah - it managed to handle what i wanted it for back then (the resizing sketches thing | 15:17 |
| lcuk | i want to do hot or not kind of ratings with what ive drawn | 15:17 |
| lcuk | move skketches to left/cold side or to right/hot side | 15:17 |
| lcuk | with a funky background | 15:17 |
| lcuk | save the location and i get a rating | 15:17 |
| woglinde | lalalalaaa | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | lol woglinde | 15:22 |
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| wazd_n800 | I'm back) | 15:52 |
| wazd_n800 | Just saw FCC pic) | 15:52 |
| wazd_n800 | so much buttons'n'switches'n'holes'n'ports on the sides) | 15:53 |
| lcuk | wazd_n800, have you seen the ninja shuriken holster? | 15:55 |
| wazd_n800 | lcuk, nope) | 15:55 |
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| wazd_n800 | and looks like there is a kickstand, thank god) | 15:59 |
| RST38h | no kickstand | 16:00 |
| RST38h | GAN already lamented that | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: mce-dev claims "on stand" | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | ability | 16:00 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, what's on the right edge then? | 16:00 |
| RST38h | lemme check again | 16:01 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, looks like a kickstand for me | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | and off stand | 16:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: I see nothing at the right edge | 16:01 |
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| wazd_n800 | RST38h, wait, my display needs a warm up :D | 16:02 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, I'll show i | 16:03 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, or maybe I'm mistaken | 16:04 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, ping | 16:05 |
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| woglinde | ah its done | 16:17 |
| woglinde | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/store/home.php | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Anyone remembers x86 branch hint instructions? | 16:18 |
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| woglinde | hm external video connector didnt make it in | 16:20 |
| woglinde | thats a pity | 16:20 |
| RST38h | you do not know yet | 16:20 |
| RST38h | It may be hidden at the third pin in the audio jack socket | 16:21 |
| woglinde | its not mentioned in the specs | 16:21 |
| woglinde | haha maybee you can replace the platine with the one from http://www.myigep.com/ | 16:22 |
| woglinde | that would be cool | 16:22 |
| glass | woglinde: could use usb monitors though? | 16:22 |
| glass | erm | 16:22 |
| woglinde | glass connecting to beamers? | 16:22 |
| woglinde | how | 16:22 |
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| glass | woglinde: i'm speaking too fast, reading now .. :p | 16:23 |
| glass | woglinde: it has usb ports, i read | 16:23 |
| glass | woglinde: theres usb video connectors, which are pretty cheap | 16:23 |
| glass | woglinde: iirc linux drivers for them too.. | 16:24 |
| woglinde | glass do you have a link= | 16:24 |
| glass | woglinde: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.28532 | 16:26 |
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| glass | woglinde: afaik they're all pretty much based on the same chip | 16:26 |
| glass | woglinde: linux drivers state I'm not sure | 16:27 |
| woglinde | hm 60$ | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | sisusb? :P | 16:27 |
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| glass | Stskeeps: yeah probably | 16:27 |
| glass | kinda nice that sis has found an use for their crappy chips :p | 16:28 |
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| woglinde | hm seems my update of the ti_gstreamer stuff in oe makes sin | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | moo glass | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | glass: You do not know how I can use branch hints in MASM? (x86 version) | 16:56 |
| glass | RST38h: sorry. I suck in x86 asm | 16:58 |
| glass | RST38h: only thin i can do is switch videomode and query bios provided stuff | 16:58 |
| RST38h | ehh... | 16:58 |
| glass | RST38h: dos stuff.. | 16:59 |
| glass | i haven't done assembly since then | 16:59 |
| glass | except hitachi | 16:59 |
| glass | RST38h: but out of curiosity.. what you're doing? | 17:00 |
| RST38h | glass: binary translator | 17:00 |
| glass | oh | 17:00 |
| woglinde | qemu? | 17:00 |
| RST38h | no | 17:01 |
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| Owner_ | hi chan | 17:06 |
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| kpel | hi Erhenius | 17:06 |
| Erhenius | anyone who can help a chap with his smart q7 | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | you're probably better off in #mer | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:07 |
| Erhenius | ah | 17:07 |
| Erhenius | k | 17:07 |
| kpel | i don't even know what a q7 is | 17:07 |
| Erhenius | lol a nice cheap *ss tablet | 17:08 |
| kpel | ic. linux based? | 17:09 |
| Erhenius | yep | 17:09 |
| Erhenius | with a very flakey ubuntu on it | 17:10 |
| kpel | that's always the problem with any linux device. | 17:10 |
| Erhenius | yeah its as flakey as my uncles dandroughf | 17:11 |
| kpel | the manufacturers don't pay enough attention to software quality, availability and upgradability. | 17:11 |
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| Erhenius | mer is quit snappy but a bit of a haslw | 17:11 |
| Erhenius | e | 17:12 |
| kpel | let's hope the next nokia tablet will be better and more reasonably priced. i'm getting tired of my N800 :) | 17:13 |
| Erhenius | maw just bought this unit | 17:14 |
| Erhenius | so no gadgets for me for a while | 17:14 |
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| RST38h | kpel: Yes, continue hoping | 17:27 |
| RST38h | While we will all be having fun watching you wait =) | 17:27 |
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| kpel | RST38h: if it is such fun watching me hoping i'll get myself a mirror :) | 17:28 |
| kpel | i know, it's never going to happen. just daydreaming | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | Yep | 17:39 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: you do -not- want to get a russian rx-51 | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Sts: Why? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | 2 arrow buttons vs 4 | 17:40 |
| RST38h | Sts: The only difference in N810 was a bit different keyboard | 17:40 |
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| RST38h | Ah that | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | i thought that was only scandinavian but seems not | 17:40 |
| RST38h | But we are not getting arrow buttons, are we? :) | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | go look at the xkb-data file.. | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:40 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ohreally??? | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Well maybe it is for the later models | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | xkbdata-0.8/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 :P | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Sts: But you are not that far off. Do you know what happened with N97? :) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | nop? | 17:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: don't tell him :) | 17:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: He may enjoy the shared misery =) | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | danish rx-51's are about as fucked | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Him having to deal with danish rx-51 ;) | 17:42 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: haha, lawlz :) | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: Anyways, Cyrillic keyboards have "B" on the "," key | 17:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: welcome to the club :D | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: Nokia has been so busy cutting down the number of keys that they killed the "," key, so on N97 you can only enter cyrillic "B" with a SHIFT key | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: And yes, it occurs about as frequent as English "B" in texts :) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | <3 | 17:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and B is really popular letter, not like Û or Ú :D | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | there's always key remapping is what i keep telling myself. | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not on N97 of course | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: And not if you are simply lacking keys | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but i can quickly find things i can rearrange :P | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | like, a euro sign | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | or swedish characters noone uses | 17:46 |
| kpel | so the only solution is one of those smal and expensive bluetooth qwerty keyboards? | 17:46 |
| * RST38h is getting a US tablet anyway | 17:46 | |
| kpel | small rather | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Especially is Nokia enrolls me into that discount program | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i might want one with warranty personally | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | but we'll see | 17:46 |
| RST38h | Sts: US tablets have warranties | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Sts: Besides, isn't nokia giving worldwide warranties? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Oh well | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | 13.8 VUPS hehe | 17:49 |
| RST38h | Let us see if I can hit 15 VUPS... | 17:50 |
| jaska | thats over 2x my vax :( | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | jaska: the goal is to make it 5x your vax :) | 17:51 |
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| jaska | 38 vups thatd be... altho my vax can be carried with one hand too :) | 17:54 |
| RST38h | jaska: Mine too (1.2kg) | 17:55 |
| jaska | maybe 20kg or so this one | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Actually (being serious) you can get a 5-7kg MicroVAX the size of a lunch box | 17:55 |
| RST38h | We had those back at the university, running Ultrix | 17:56 |
| jaska | yeah, mines a vaxstation 3100m76 spx, dont think it weighs 20kg.. but not much anyway :) | 17:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: I just got an idea | 17:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: RX-51 is that slider phone that Eldar has told us about | 17:58 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, it has to be either 51 or 71 | 17:59 |
| RST38h | wazd: But he said it was real small and I do not see that footprint as real small | 17:59 |
| RST38h | jaska: Got a SUN IPX as well? :) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: developer units felt light and "tiny" but not when using it | 17:59 |
| RST38h | Or maybe SUN4/SUN5? | 17:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: FCC documents saying that it has "numpad slider" and it's portrait oriented in that drawing :) | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | as in, display wise / use | 18:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: Oh holy fuck | 18:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: If it has got a numpad slider, it won't have the keyboard, right? | 18:00 |
| jaska | hmm.. ipx, yes | 18:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: dunno :) | 18:00 |
| * RST38h gets respect for jaska | 18:00 | |
| jaska | 2 ipx, 2 classic, 1 lx | 18:01 |
| RST38h | An original NeXT pizza box, and you are all set =) | 18:01 |
| RST38h | Cubes are nontypical | 18:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: you can easily calculate the size of the device using FCC mark | 18:01 |
| jaska | that i lack :( | 18:01 |
| wazd | it's the same on every device | 18:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: You have done it already, right? =) | 18:01 |
| wazd | just open some other already released device and compare :) | 18:01 |
| RST38h | jaska: I knew a girl who had one (with display of course) at her coffee table. Made a perfect conversation item. | 18:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't know how to search for devices on their site :D | 18:02 |
| RST38h | jaska: Better than any magazine | 18:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: No problemo, a moment | 18:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: wait, I'll do it myself :) | 18:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, I can't :D | 18:03 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I had a link. Lemme locate it... | 18:03 |
| wazd | BL-5J - 1320 Mah | 18:06 |
| wazd | same as 5800 has | 18:07 |
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| RST38h | wazd: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm | 18:08 |
| RST38h | enjoy | 18:08 |
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| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/28/fcc-confirms-new-nokia-internet-tablet-device/ | 18:09 |
| wazd | lol :) | 18:09 |
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| wazd | RST38h: no I guess it's the tablet :) | 18:13 |
| RST38h | why the numeric dialpad then? | 18:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: cause lock slider on the bottom is too ridiculous :) | 18:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: dunno, i need to check again, maybe it's not numpad, but keypad | 18:14 |
| RST38h | that's a lot of difference though | 18:14 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yep | 18:14 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I bet my mockup is not so far from the real device :) | 18:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: you are in serious danger from black helicopters from Oulu then | 18:15 |
| wazd | RST38h: maybe I should redraw it into something more realistic and send to engadget hahaha :) | 18:17 |
| RST38h | make it a photo! | 18:18 |
| wazd | RST38h: damn, why am I not a 3D guru, I could make the world sweat every time I wake up :) | 18:18 |
| RST38h | Or just create endless renderings of fairy castles, dragons, medieval hardware, naked fairies, and unicorns | 18:19 |
| wazd | RST38h: I should lock myself in the closet and learn some 3DS at last | 18:19 |
| RST38h | So, be careful what you wish for =) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: Funny thing is, I tried that (when I still had an Amiga) and found it more boring than assembly programming =) | 18:20 |
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| glass | i've been freshening up my modelling skills | 18:25 |
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| glass | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3491/3796264929_869358421a_b.jpg | 18:26 |
| glass | the mesh editor in moray is pretty good | 18:26 |
| wazd | glass: we can collaborate and make epic fake :) | 18:26 |
| glass | wazd: yeah. i've been trying out the options in povray too | 18:27 |
| glass | wazd: much less time consuming now :DD | 18:27 |
| wazd | glass: I have a pretty powerful hardware, you can send me images to render :) | 18:28 |
| wazd | glass: 4Gb of ram, 9800Gt 1Gb, 4400 X2 | 18:28 |
| wazd | glass: not the top gear but it's fast :) | 18:29 |
| glass | wazd: nice. i got asus rog laptop | 18:29 |
| glass | nice: 2.5ghz or so dualcore, 4gb, 9700 nvidia | 18:29 |
| glass | wazd: but what i'd need would be development box | 18:30 |
| wazd | glass: nice, but I'ts more tabletop :D | 18:30 |
| glass | yeah | 18:30 |
| wazd | glass: you'll break your legs with it :D | 18:30 |
| glass | got a 25" monitor | 18:30 |
| glass | wazd: well, work let me chose my laptop, i needed a fast desktop | 18:31 |
| glass | would be really handy for lan parties too | 18:31 |
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| wazd | glass: yep | 18:32 |
| glass | it came with a backpack too | 18:32 |
| wazd | glass: and with servant to carry :) | 18:32 |
| glass | 15.4" and hdmi out | 18:32 |
| glass | i can't type on tiny laptops anyways :D | 18:33 |
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| wazd | glass: well, tiny or not, mostly laps have same kbs | 18:33 |
| glass | wazd: i hate most "corporate" laptop layouts too | 18:33 |
| glass | wazd: this is a 'gaming' laptop :D | 18:33 |
| glass | so the kb is pretty standard | 18:33 |
| wazd | glass: yep | 18:34 |
| glass | not curved, got a numpad | 18:34 |
| glass | can play nethack | 18:34 |
| wazd | glass: that's the main advantage :D | 18:34 |
| glass | well who uses numpad for anything else. really? | 18:34 |
| wazd | glass: I bind commands in AA3 on numpad keys :) | 18:34 |
| RST38h | glass: Angband! | 18:35 |
| RST38h | ZAngband even, as it is more cruel | 18:35 |
| glass | RST38h: is it more cruel than nethack? | 18:36 |
| glass | i don't know if i want that | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Oh yes you want it | 18:36 |
| RST38h | I mean, you are not going to skip your chance to kill Finnish prime minister, running around you and screaming "let us all be friends"? | 18:37 |
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| glass | RST38h: maybe if we had a cooler pm | 18:37 |
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| glass | RST38h: the current one is going out and has totally failed his image anyways | 18:37 |
| RST38h | He will be represented with an ASCII character, do not be afraid | 18:37 |
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| RST38h | Besides, last time it was Marti Ahtisaari, I think it is still him | 18:37 |
| glass | martti ahtisaari was president | 18:38 |
| glass | /is | 18:38 |
| glass | the title stays | 18:38 |
| RST38h | So, you get a bonus of kicking president's ass | 18:38 |
| glass | current prime minister, vanhanen, got the job because the one before him was in a scandal | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Also, there is Bull Gates, living in a castle filled with money | 18:38 |
| RST38h | Once you collect the money, castle gets filled with Grid Bugs | 18:38 |
| glass | i don't think that bill would be that fun. like, that would be awesome | 18:39 |
| glass | a castle full of money | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Well, the idea is NOT to complete that quest, and go there for money again and again | 18:39 |
| RST38h | So, the game is pretty close to reality =) | 18:39 |
| GAN800 | glass, time to play with GI. ;) | 18:41 |
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| glass | bill hasn't done anything that imaginative in his life, so i'd give him high regards if he actually had a bouncy castle full of cash | 18:42 |
| glass | he could beam out youtube videos to steve from there | 18:42 |
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| glass | wazd: if you need 3d models for tech demos.. i'm totally available for doing them | 18:47 |
| glass | or anyone | 18:47 |
| wazd | glass: thanks :) | 18:48 |
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| RST38h | Got a stupid question | 18:49 |
| wazd | glass: what do you use for modelling? | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Is there any way to find out the number of arguments in the va_list??? | 18:49 |
| glass | wazd: moray, i can transfer them to "anything" | 18:52 |
| glass | wazd: i got some grasp of whats low poly and whats not too | 18:52 |
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| javispedro | RST38h, afaik there can't be a portable way to find out the number of arguments in bare C | 19:00 |
| wazd | glass: oh, nice :) Is it hard to model there for absolute beginner? :) | 19:02 |
| glass | wazd: absolutely not! | 19:03 |
| glass | wazd: though it's windows only. runs fine on vista, whatever, it used to be a dos program | 19:03 |
| glass | wazd: it has a great help file built in | 19:03 |
| glass | wazd: very engineering oriented | 19:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, seen latest RX-51 post? | 19:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | There's supposed pics there. Looks legit IMO | 19:04 |
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| glass | wazd: windows version has opengl support too.. if you switch on aa from nvidia settings it looks pretty | 19:04 |
| glass | wazd: i haven't touched the animation/keyframing myself yet | 19:05 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: where? what? I'll kill you! :D | 19:05 |
| javispedro | I'll kill Nokia. | 19:05 |
| javispedro | 3-row keyboard. | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | It's legit; there's a RX-51 sticker | 19:05 |
| wazd | oh! | 19:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tmo | 19:05 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Keyboard looks hot, but the buttons are on the small side :\ | 19:06 |
| wazd | n95 like kickstand | 19:06 |
| wazd | well, better than nothing | 19:06 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: the screen is covered with opaque material I guess :) | 19:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | And that is not a space bar. Eurgh. | 19:08 |
| lcuk | this sounds like pictures convo - is there a link? | 19:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tmo | 19:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm on a tablet with firefox open on my desktop so I can't copy and paste | 19:09 |
| lcuk | found em | 19:11 |
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| javispedro | Rx-51 "prototype" says the box | 19:13 |
| lcuk | shiny, do you think they intended to include the emei code along with the photos? | 19:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Was they meant to be leaked in the first place? =) | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | fuck yes, the good keys :> | 19:14 |
| glass | anything that sents out in boxes gets leaked | 19:14 |
| lcuk | lol Stskeeps :D you mean "not the diamond keys everyone was pondering about a couple of months ago lol | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://i30.tinypic.com/351wbnm.jpg | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | is that a SD card reader? | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | or sim | 19:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That'd be a SIM | 19:15 |
| lcuk | needs a sim for modem doesnt it | 19:16 |
| javispedro | they're two sd-like readers on that photo? | 19:16 |
| javispedro | one is the sim, the other? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if that's minisd or microsd | 19:16 |
| glass | microsd? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | sd | 19:16 |
| javispedro | must be microsd | 19:16 |
| javispedro | smaller than a simcard lol :D | 19:16 |
| glass | microsd would make sense anyhow | 19:16 |
| lcuk | you are looking on the wrong scale - new sim cards are 6" and put old floppy disks to shame | 19:17 |
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| javispedro | definitely there is something in that picture that screams wrong scale | 19:17 |
| lcuk | ahhh my mistake - i had zoomed in ;) | 19:17 |
| javispedro | my brain doesn't seem to be able to size that :P | 19:18 |
| glass | javispedro: the soft plastic of the box filler? | 19:18 |
| glass | "soft" erm.. | 19:18 |
| javispedro | probably.... | 19:18 |
| glass | javispedro: what i mean, it looks like it's zoomed in.. but thats just the way plastic like that looks | 19:18 |
| lcuk | can you find out when pictures were uploaded to tinypic | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | what on earth is that cover thing.. | 19:20 |
| lcuk | protective sheet by the looks of it | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | also, a victory for fat fingers | 19:21 |
| lcuk | probably not transparent because people left the n810 ones on i believe and had low sensitivity | 19:21 |
| wazd | http://i079.radikal.ru/0908/df/1f4889c456a7.jpg <- quick redraw :) | 19:22 |
| javispedro | heh, it has the phone green-red buttons after all | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ohmygod it is an iphone | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | 5mp .. good or bad? | 19:26 |
| RST38h | does not matter, it will suck anyway | 19:27 |
| javispedro | RST38h, my thoughs exactly. would better put all those megapixels in some other place | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | also, what's with the obscene amount of connectors in the back? | 19:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it's good to capture something on the go | 19:27 |
| Mek | probably for hardware debugging? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | well some is battery, some is serial, but 4? :P | 19:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: it's not, not where we live anyway | 19:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: you definitely won't take photographs of your wedding with this :D | 19:28 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, jtag probably, | 19:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: have you seen how standard cell phone camera behaves in winter or in a room? | 19:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope) | 19:29 |
| glass | RST38h: nokias do ok in winter | 19:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: Now, in sunny California or Florida that would actually work | 19:29 |
| glass | RST38h: winter is very bright if theres snow. for couple of hours a day anyways | 19:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: In here you get a smeared bluish gray something | 19:29 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders what stupid photographer takes pictures of the box.. | 19:29 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Sd, sim, and battery, where's 4? :) | 19:29 |
| RST38h | glass: Ah, snow...In snow/sun the image just gets white :) | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: no, the dotted connectors | 19:30 |
| RST38h | glass: Ca'use not only it has low sensitivity but the dynamic range sucks | 19:30 |
| javispedro | heh. so no more internal/external sd. but internal/internal2 sd. | 19:30 |
| Mek | at least you don't have to remove the battery for the sd card :) | 19:30 |
| glass | RST38h: well i was counting as standard what n70 had years ago | 19:30 |
| glass | RST38h: in bright it's excellent | 19:30 |
| RST38h | glass: Weird you have not chosen N93 as a benchmark :) | 19:31 |
| glass | crap.. i need to renew my flickr | 19:31 |
| glass | RST38h: n93 takes crappy photos, thats why | 19:31 |
| RST38h | glass: E70 absolutely sucks at photos. Same goes for 5800. | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: at least you don't have to remove battery for it | 19:31 |
| RST38h | glass: Did not have chance to check other Nokias but not expecting anything new | 19:31 |
| javispedro | fortunately for me, I'm yet to switch the SD card once | 19:31 |
| glass | RST38h: there was some bullcrap with the image coding and such on n93.. iirc | 19:32 |
| glass | RST38h: n93 was a very short lived model | 19:32 |
| RST38h | glass: it was still the best camera nokia ever produced | 19:32 |
| RST38h | glass: N93i then | 19:32 |
| glass | RST38h: on paper yeah. but not on any awards :D | 19:32 |
| glass | 93i was very shortlived too | 19:32 |
| glass | it has some perks | 19:33 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 19:33 |
| glass | video is good with it | 19:33 |
| RST38h | yep | 19:33 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what user count talk.* will reach tonight | 19:33 | |
| wazd | RST38h: they almost got enough buttons for russian layout btw :) | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | 210 atm :P | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Anyways, not expecting anything good from the camera. Will just buy a Canon G11 or G10 and make myself at piece | 19:33 |
| RST38h | Sts: Good time to troll? ;) | 19:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: By 5D, be a man :D | 19:34 |
| glass | RST38h: i got 1000+ pics on flickr with various camera phones :\ but as i'm expired it only shows last 200 | 19:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: And carry it...where? =) | 19:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: G11 is not so small too :) | 19:34 |
| glass | RST38h: bright sun and short exposure time is best with n70 and such | 19:34 |
| RST38h | glass: A fanatic! =) | 19:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: G11 does not yet exist, G10 fits the pocket (just barely though) | 19:34 |
| glass | RST38h: well it was fun. i configured auto upload at one point :p | 19:34 |
| RST38h | Heh | 19:34 |
| RST38h | With automatic location by GPS? :) | 19:35 |
| glass | so everytime after a pic, it asked to upload | 19:35 |
| Veggen | I've got a Nikon D700. And a Nikon D200 for when I feel like travelling light ;) | 19:35 |
| glass | didn't have gps :\ | 19:35 |
| glass | also gps brings battery problems | 19:35 |
| glass | and waiting for fix | 19:35 |
| Veggen | (my old one, didn't get around to sell it or anything yet) | 19:35 |
| wazd | Veggen: I've D70, it feels a bit heavy sometimes | 19:35 |
| Veggen | wazd: D70 is pretty light especially compared to D700, but also compared to D200. | 19:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: More concerned about "big" than "heavy" | 19:36 |
| Veggen | ....I actually have an old D70 too. which I was gonna sell at one point, but she ended up buying a D200. | 19:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: So I guess even the upcoming 3/4 cameras are not for me... | 19:37 |
| wazd | anyway, I really wonder why they have hidden the screen on hte photos | 19:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: I saw a review of olimpus at twit.tv - it's cool, but not pocketable | 19:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: exactly | 19:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: A had a Casio Exilim 750 for a while, until my family broke it | 19:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: As far as really small cameras go, the 750 was a life saver | 19:38 |
| Luke-Jr | there's an idea | 19:38 |
| Luke-Jr | I should port Linux to my digicam | 19:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, you can't pocket any device with changable optics :) | 19:39 |
| RST38h | Alas, the no longer produce good Exilims | 19:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: Olympus with the pancake lens is more or less pocketable | 19:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: What would you use the pancake for though? Lomography at $800? :) | 19:39 |
| RST38h | Shit gentlemen could somebody help me with va_list? :( | 19:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: sure :) | 19:40 |
| * wazd hates people that quotes posts with all photos and stuff :( | 19:41 | |
| Stskeeps | at least i'm happy that i've found my next phone :) | 19:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: How about photoshopping one of those fcc documents to insert a reference to Android? | 19:41 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Same here, although I am still suspecting a disappointment | 19:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: We can then post it to t.m.o and watch the show? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: there's a stand, the delicious keys we felt in cph, a good camera, 3g, so, i'm sold :P | 19:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have a really long photoshoping list, I think it will become old when I get to it :) | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: if it is not minisd, i'm happy. | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Stand? There was not last time =) | 19:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: It has fracking 32Gb built in | 19:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ehehehe | 19:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: it has n95 like stand | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i still need to do sd card switches once in a while | 19:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: where the camera is | 19:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: If they do this crap to "B" again... | 19:43 |
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| RST38h | Wazd: ! | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: go check the xkb-data | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | http://i30.tinypic.com/351wbnm.jpg | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | ^ shows stand quite clearly | 19:44 |
| VDVsx | yup like n86 | 19:44 |
| tank-man | omg what is that | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | no dpad :( :( :( bad for gamers :P | 19:45 |
| RST38h | Sts: what is it??? is it a new batch of photos??? | 19:45 |
| wazd | That bevel around the camera makes it look what I call with a good russian word "Motyga" :D | 19:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: check t.m.o :) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: err.. what rock are you hiding under? | 19:45 |
| RST38h | oh holy shit | 19:45 |
| RST38h | I have been working folks! | 19:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: "It's D&G, halo!" :D | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, the keyboard looks like the one in the cph proto ? | 19:46 |
| * RST38h will light a candle in a church of Quim's choice for inclusion of the arrow keys | 19:46 | |
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| RST38h | Also not that the hideous silvery finish is almost gone. No more chipping. | 19:48 |
| RST38h | s/not/note | 19:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: I've made a redraw accordinf to these photos | 19:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: You have to excuse sachin007 for quoting the whole thing, he was one of the most nervous t.m.o posters =) | 19:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: If I was on the Edge connection - he would be dead already :D | 19:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: You would still be waiting for those images to arrive though | 19:50 |
| wazd | have to go to the bike ride, bbl | 19:50 |
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| woglinde | re | 19:55 |
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| VDVsx | more pics..ahahahahahh | 19:56 |
| javispedro | more? | 19:56 |
| VDVsx | video out :P | 19:57 |
| VDVsx | http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=2170963 | 19:57 |
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| javispedro | ah, that's cool | 19:57 |
| javispedro | oh, kaskus, the original source of the leak | 19:57 |
| javispedro | didn't found my way in that site previously | 19:57 |
| t_s_o | hmm, i wonder if the io ports are above the stylus on the left side, as there seems to be something there thats yet to be identified, and it would be fitting to have a rubber cover about there | 19:58 |
| javispedro | Internal Memory 128 megabytes DDR manufactured by Samsung | 19:58 |
| t_s_o | err, right side... | 19:58 |
| javispedro | W. T. F.? | 19:58 |
| woglinde | thread is closed | 19:58 |
| woglinde | that was quick | 19:58 |
| VDVsx | boom....gone:( | 20:00 |
| javispedro | slashdotted? | 20:00 |
| woglinde | nope | 20:00 |
| woglinde | closed | 20:00 |
| woglinde | to not enforce the laywers | 20:00 |
| javispedro | I am reading the thread right now, just loaded page 3 | 20:01 |
| woglinde | seems you are lucky | 20:01 |
| Luke-Jr | fail | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | what, a thread closed on talk.*? | 20:01 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: that link isn't talk.* | 20:02 |
| t_s_o | saved the photos from page one of that thread | 20:02 |
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| javispedro | where's the video?= | 20:02 |
| Luke-Jr | so conclusion is RX-51 sucks | 20:02 |
| javispedro | i've still access to the whole thread | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | me too, again :) | 20:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | same | 20:03 |
| javispedro | see? it was just slashdotted | 20:03 |
| VDVsx | btw, what language is that ? | 20:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Indonesian | 20:03 |
| VDVsx | lol | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: no, it's actually delicious | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | (IMHO) | 20:05 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 20:05 |
| javispedro | so la la | 20:05 |
| * qwerty12_N810 likes it (with Harmattan) but I can't get over that space bar. Ah well, I can't draw conclusions w/out actually typing on it | 20:06 | |
| t_s_o | meh, it should be no worse then the onscreen keyboard ;) | 20:07 |
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| javispedro | somebody said video but I'm yet to find it | 20:07 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, these certainly look prettier than the ugly prototypes we saw in cph | 20:07 |
| javispedro | video out | 20:07 |
| VDVsx | and more: http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=2162131 | 20:08 |
| javispedro | a | 20:08 |
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| javispedro | the picture with the composite cable | 20:08 |
| VDVsx | memory :32 GB :) | 20:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh shit, they were selling it | 20:09 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, o_O that much | 20:09 |
| javispedro | where? | 20:10 |
| VDVsx | idonesia ? | 20:10 |
| VDVsx | *indonesia :P | 20:10 |
| javispedro | i mean, where you read that many info¿? | 20:10 |
| lcuk | thats a seriously wicked quantity, i'd never find enough stuff to fill it (for varying amounts of never) | 20:10 |
| javispedro | cause all I saw was some random copy&paste from previous specs (including 128 MiB DDR only) | 20:11 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, last post pasted | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: damn straight | 20:13 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i have a 1gb card | 20:14 |
| VDVsx | shit can't translate Malay to english :P | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, "oh fuck dude, you are so gonna get sued" | 20:16 |
| VDVsx | ehehhe | 20:16 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, actually I think, they are selling the device, like qwerty12_N810 referred | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | it was told in talk.* too | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | talk.* still sounds like a newsgroup to me ;) | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | it certainly has it's shares of trolling and such | 20:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | but by me before ;) | 20:18 |
| lcuk | people can sell stuff that doesnt belong to them | 20:19 |
| lcuk | that doesnt mean they are allowed to sell it | 20:19 |
| VDVsx | best translation: DIRECT then DEH: NI ADA ITEM BARU KELUARAN Nokia newest that BELUM DI LAUNCH DI INDONESIA Nokia RX 51 (BM BNIB, NGA IN LOCK SO could TUK SMUA OPRATOR) There was those who are INTERESTED??? ANE had one UNIT, please was bought | 20:19 |
| VDVsx | lol | 20:19 |
| javispedro | also, you can get sued even for selling stuff that belongs to you ;) | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | BELUM DI LAUNCH! | 20:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I wonder what updating that device is going to go like... | 20:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | This is Indonesia; who's gonna give a shit? :P | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: SSU that upon locating the MAC address, turns on GPS, transmit.. | 20:20 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, nop | 20:20 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, malay | 20:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lots of phone warez forums are located in that part of asi | 20:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | a | 20:20 |
| javispedro | MAC? we already have the IMEI | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: as well as IMEI ban | 20:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: even better | 20:20 |
| javispedro | just track it as soon as it gets on the network then send black helicopters | 20:20 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, the language, your are right in the country, I guess :P | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | tracking on gsm isn't always trivial, gps coordinates are more handy :P | 20:21 |
| lcuk | nijas, please send the ninjas | 20:21 |
| lcuk | ninjas even | 20:21 |
| RST38h | GADGET PORN ATTACK | 20:21 |
| javispedro | black helicopters with ninjas | 20:21 |
| lcuk | helicopters are so 90's | 20:21 |
| lcuk | o_O that would work | 20:21 |
| lcuk | but you would have to hear the helicopters | 20:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | ROFLMAO though: selling a device while displaying the IMEI publically | 20:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tossers | 20:21 |
| javispedro | or just bomb the whole country from space. Some Nokians have shown the ability to do that. | 20:22 |
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| VDVsx | I predict, that someone will be fired at nokia :P | 20:22 |
| Mek | or one of its subcontractors... :) | 20:23 |
| * javispedro can't wait to buy that device then wait for the ICBM | 20:23 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's like those eBay auctions where someone is selling a genuine XP key, while displaying a picture of the packaging (and inadvertly the serial) | 20:23 |
| VDVsx | lol | 20:23 |
| VDVsx | oh my | 20:23 |
| RST38h | Will we see a suicide? | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | lolol: * Linux Operating System based on Maema 5 | 20:24 |
| lcuk | i hope not :( | 20:24 |
| lcuk | that was bad shit | 20:24 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Have I told you the story about Microsoft anti-piracy ads in local subway? | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | maema;) | 20:24 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: It's a girrrl! | 20:24 |
| javispedro | Maemia 5 | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: maema freemantle! | 20:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: No, but'd I'd be interested in hearing :) | 20:24 |
| javispedro | Maema Fremantel | 20:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | -'d | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | also, friggen 32gb, that's insane | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:25 |
| lcuk | thats hot! | 20:25 |
| javispedro | with that the hidden sd slot makes sense | 20:25 |
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| lcuk | they could almost have no sd slot with that much lol | 20:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Microsoft ran ads in subway, that showed metrosexual-looking guy with a WIndows box, saying "I did not know before. But now I KNOW" | 20:26 |
| javispedro | lcuk, repeat that again next year ;) | 20:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: (about geniuine non-pirated Windows, apparently) | 20:26 |
| javispedro | when SDXC cards are common | 20:26 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you mean you dont have a soldering iron? | 20:26 |
| lcuk | and when they are common, wont we need a device that supports them | 20:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Somebody wrote a valid Windows serial number across many of these =) | 20:27 |
| lcuk | which will have 2Tb in the box | 20:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: rofl, and that was meant to be taken seriously? | 20:27 |
| javispedro | lcuk, if I had a hot air station, I would've fixed my Palm T|X and probably wouldn't be here today ;) | 20:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Apparently. | 20:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol, Russians are jokers | 20:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: MS does a lot of weird things | 20:27 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Their marketing department faces a tough tasks of selling unmarketable, so only the really disconnected people stay there | 20:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I wonder if englishrussia'll have it :) | 20:28 |
| glass | ms has plenty of money for advertising. and plenty of advertisers pitch stupid shit to them i'd reckon | 20:28 |
| * VDVsx wonders for how much the sold the proto | 20:28 | |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: none, probably | 20:29 |
| lcuk | is it on ebay or private sale lol | 20:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That ysss guy said it was sold for $800 | 20:29 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, says SOLD OUT there | 20:29 |
| * qwerty12_N810 wonders how close that is to the official price =) | 20:30 | |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: the device not pictures | 20:30 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yup, lol | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | pictures were probably carelessly put up | 20:30 |
| * RST38h likes what he sees so far | 20:30 | |
| javispedro | official price will be $900, and then I'll suicide | 20:30 |
| RST38h | javis: How about your left kidney instead? =) | 20:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Kidney. OM NOM NOM | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | wtf @ 195 guests | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, best close some of your browser windows | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm always logged in at talk :P | 20:34 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:35 |
| VDVsx | engadget already pick it | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | wtf is the / button? caps? :P | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | the arrow | 20:36 |
| VDVsx | blue one ? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:37 |
| javispedro | oh, well. at least they added in more margin-top to the keyboard. | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | like fn in the laptops :) | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i really hate the low margin on my n810 | 20:37 |
| javispedro | Chr/Sym is now two keypress apart instead of only one. | 20:38 |
| RST38h | keyboard looks decent | 20:39 |
| RST38h | I cant believe I am saying this but it looks decent | 20:40 |
| aol | why are they referring them as tablets | 20:40 |
| aol | it's clearly a phonme ? | 20:40 |
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| aol | -m | 20:40 |
| RST38h | I do not think they know that for sure | 20:40 |
| lcuk | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=16097 | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Not yet | 20:40 |
| RST38h | It is a test model, as a phone | 20:40 |
| javispedro | at least, it's not a disaster-phone | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: as i've said since the developer units, i want one :P | 20:41 |
| lcuk | (that has nothing to do with convo, just a break from tech fapping) | 20:41 |
| RST38h | + it is the most iPhoneish Nokia so far | 20:42 |
| lcuk | apart from the fact its got a keyboard and loads of things you can change and remove and add | 20:43 |
| RST38h | yep | 20:47 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: pong | 21:06 |
| lcuk | hiya jaffa \o | 21:08 |
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| RST38h | No ESCAPE key | 21:14 |
| RST38h | hmm | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we can't see the screen so that's a bit unfair to assume :) | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | also, you don't need esc with the click-outside-dialog | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3-row ouch | 21:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Well, yerga was right: Nokia did leak a (tiny) image in the SDK :P | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least the fingerkeyboard is still there. | 21:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Definitely a phone. | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lots of pads in the battery compartment. | 21:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a great place for hacking, though. | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | with a docking station, probably | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Right | 21:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's great for Nokia repair centers and testing facilities | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not so great for mobile hackers. ;) | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | (those are kinda cool to see irl :P) | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N800 and N810 have their pads exposed next to the battery | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe they killed the kickstand | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | What is it with Nokia's hardware devision? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's not killed | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | look at the camera | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | "We have this super awesome idea—GET RID OF IT!!!" | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, useless. | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Less than useless. | 21:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Worse than the 770 stand. | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | put a larger stand on it | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I want something I can lay on my side in bed with. | 21:22 |
| RST38h | General, you can just place it against the wall or a pillow | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | Kickstand is a minor feature | 21:23 |
| RST38h | There will probably be bigger disappointments down the line | 21:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It is useful when watching movies IMO | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no, it's not. | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah, quim is awake on the rx-51 thread :) | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | And, no, walls and pillows don't work. | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ahahahah finally | 21:23 |
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| * RST38h thought Quim would be real quiet =) | 21:24 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: he is, but watching :) | 21:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Well, whatever he says at this point in the game can't beat those pics :) | 21:24 |
| RST38h | General: Looks like they are using the same RAM+ROM Samsung chip | 21:24 |
| RST38h | General: This feels like a bigger disappointment to me | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | the ram chip is from some weirdass blog | 21:24 |
| RST38h | oh ok | 21:24 |
| RST38h | lowering credibility on this one | 21:25 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Their last tablets were cobbled up from whatever they had in the "bin", I think they wish to impress more this time :) | 21:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's a testament to how good Nokia is at killing community spirit that I'm really not at all excited by these pictures. . . . | 21:27 |
| * Stskeeps passes GeneralAntilles some happy pills. | 21:27 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Amsterdam has something for everyone... | 21:28 |
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| RST38h | General: You should really read that last massacre guy diary | 21:28 |
| RST38h | It will inevitably put you into better mood =) | 21:29 |
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| konttori__ | oh. cool http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/ | 21:29 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: well, that and it'd all been leaked. Only question outstanding is price & release date | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori__, I don't think these release you from any signed papers. :D | 21:30 |
| RST38h | General: There are arrow keys, the thing is no longer painted, it looks as close to goddamn iPhone as any Nokia product ever got, it is a phone, the screen is now protected from scratching, WHAT is there to be unhappy about? | 21:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I didn't say I was unhappy, I just said that this completely fails to excite me. | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | Bezelless screen | 21:32 |
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| RST38h | Forget Nokia's relations with the community, forget the OS disaster, the support disaster | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is sad, because there was a time when I'd've been giddy over every tidbit about the N900 I could find. | 21:32 |
| RST38h | It looks like a nice product, as a user I would buy this with Maemo or Symbian, no matter what | 21:32 |
| Jaffa | And Maemo beats Symbian | 21:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa+1 | 21:33 |
| RST38h | Ok, it looks like some HTC product maybe | 21:33 |
| RST38h | But HTCs are booby trapped with WinCE | 21:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Pictures just make Talk 5 times sillier. | 21:35 |
| RST38h | With every lurker crawling from under the woodwork with his opinion, no wonder | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Ok, Mara is all but saying that 128MB is bullshit | 21:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I agree. | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | there's no way in hell fennec could be that fast on 128mb, tbh. | 21:40 |
| Jaffa | tmo's better than Engadget | 21:41 |
| Jaffa | Not saying much, admittedly | 21:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not much at all. | 21:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's only marginally better than saying Talk's better than Digg. ;) | 21:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's interesting to see them stamp it with Cortex A8 | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Traditionally it's been damn near impossible to confirm what Nokia packs in their devices. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | probably Cortex A8 is known cos of iphonies | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | True | 21:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | and Pre, to an extent. | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | "this isn't a N97" would have worked too | 21:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Interesting that we still have no idea what they're actually going to call it. | 21:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles spots the front-facing camera. | 21:45 | |
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| RST38h | Is there an LED? | 21:47 |
| konttori__ | lol. one of the photos contains a fraction of a thumbprint. Now, someone can use CSI magic to hunt for who took the photos. Of whatever device that is. | 21:48 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The icon in the SDK suggests that there is one in the left corner | 21:48 |
| konttori__ | eh, in slashgear | 21:48 |
| javispedro | konttori__, of course, ignoring the imei is totally visible | 21:48 |
| javispedro | that'll make an average csi plot :D | 21:48 |
| konttori__ | damn! | 21:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori__, when are the Nokia prototype ninjas going to strike? ;) | 21:49 |
| konttori__ | when you least expect | 21:49 |
| javispedro | what has people got with capacitive screens | 21:49 |
| javispedro | they suck | 21:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, iPhone hype. | 21:49 |
| RST38h | javis: depends on what you need | 21:50 |
| konttori__ | resistive and capacitive have both their good and bad. | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's the same reason people salivate over Tegras. | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | javis: for the Maemo UI, capacitive screen would be a disaster | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't stand capacitive for any sort of reasonably detailed work over any reasonable period of time. | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | javis: not enough precision | 21:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But for quite or distracted activities it's nice. | 21:50 |
| konttori__ | it has reliable hit metric - any developer would love that compared to filtered resistive hits. | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | konttori__: SSU targetting certain IMEI and serial / MAC, which turns on GPS and sends coordinates daily should do the trick. (fingerprints) | 21:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles downloads all the pictures in preparation for the Nokia ninjas. | 21:51 | |
| konttori__ | lol! Now, that sounds like a viable CSI plot | 21:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | konttori__, nah, too technically believable. ;) | 21:51 |
| RST38h | Just make them all self destruct on a certain IP packet | 21:51 |
| * javispedro sees gerbick already telling engadgetians how nokia abandons support for a device few years after release | 21:52 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Anybody notice how much this thing looks like the mockups from the Summit? | 21:52 |
| RST38h | 3 months and 20-30 two-handed indonesians later... | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Gerbick is a funny guy. | 21:52 |
| Jaffa | s/funny/yet-another-tmo-troll/ ? | 21:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | i.e., a hypocrite and an idiot. ;) | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Well, he CAN'T get wrong telling that, can he? | 21:52 |
| javispedro | so instead of NIT I have to call this piece of plastic Maemo SmartPhone? | 21:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes back to work. | 21:53 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It's a Maemo Devices Maemo device. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | MDMD | 21:53 |
| RST38h | javis: Maemophone seems to be a well established meme by now | 21:54 |
| javispedro | random engadgetian: "I agree. They keep calling this a tablet. Looks like just another boring phone to me. " | 21:54 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: NIT could be "Nokia Internet Telephony" ;-£) | 21:54 |
| tomaterr | does any1 know the name of that app that lets you download websites for the n810 | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can't please them all. ;) | 21:54 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Yeah, who's this "they"? | 21:54 |
| javispedro | engadget itself | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | Folks, stop going all mad about t.m.o posters, ok? | 21:55 |
| Jaffa | If Nokia don't fsck it up, an open proven Linux-based phone platform with no oddities to get root or weird supplier locks on app "approval"s | 21:55 |
| RST38h | Opinions are like assholes, we all have them | 21:55 |
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| RST38h | Why worry so much? | 21:55 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Indeed. I saw the comment. | 21:55 |
| javispedro | I assume Nokia believes that since it now looks like a boring phone it will sell like .. pancakes. | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Who's worried? Moaning here gives us a break from supporting the "community" when a vocal minority likes stabbbing you in the back | 21:56 |
| javispedro | and probably'll drop the tablet moniker | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: You mean hotcakes? ;-) | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | pancakes sell. | 21:56 |
| javispedro | it's summer now, too hot already. | 21:56 |
| javispedro | ;) | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Don't moan, strike back =) | 21:56 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Troll them all to insanity | 21:57 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Post some news about this device running Android | 21:57 |
| javispedro | quick, fire up photoshop for the android mockup. | 21:58 |
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| Jaffa | Mmmm, pancakes | 21:59 |
| javispedro | or fake qgil and post: "after harmattan, we will be switching toolkits again. this time we're going to use Motif due to its low memory footprint." | 21:59 |
| RST38h | javis: not credible | 21:59 |
| RST38h | javis: I would say though, something about harmattan itself should do the job | 22:00 |
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| Jaffa | `qgi1' username is probably free ;-) | 22:01 |
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| Jaffa | I'm trying to work out what that "flip" sticker on the back of one of the photos is trying to show. | 22:02 |
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| Jaffa | Ah. Battery & SIM location? | 22:02 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa, on the cloud, like the iPhone. | 22:03 |
| RST38h | it tells user how to insert sim | 22:03 |
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| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Seen the pics of the N86 stand? Looks like that might be on RX-51 | 22:04 |
| Jaffa | tmo posters claiming that this isn't in the same market as Apple | 22:07 |
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| javispedro | I wouldn't want it to be in the same market as Apple. | 22:08 |
| javispedro | cause that means progressive dumb down. | 22:08 |
| xnt14[work] | OMFG!!! OMFG!!! OMFG!!! RX-51!!!!!! OMFG!!! /me faints | 22:08 |
| RST38h | hehe | 22:08 |
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| xnt14[work] | :P | 22:08 |
| xnt14[work] | its looks awesome | 22:08 |
| javispedro | how many tmo threads were opened already? | 22:08 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: You can't be in the same market as Apple | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Actually, I've convinced myself: Whatever operators may do to the device, cannot be as bad as what Apple do to the iPhone by default | 22:08 |
| xnt14[work] | except for the spacebar :P | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: If you are in the same market as Apple, you lose to Apple | 22:09 |
| xnt14[work] | but ill get used to it | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Pushing aside high end HTCs would still be a nice goal though | 22:09 |
| javispedro | RST38h, or use your borg-like superpowers to add Apple's biological and technological distinctiveness to your own. Like Microsoft. | 22:09 |
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| wazd | I'm back! | 22:10 |
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| wazd | _/flame_war mode on | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | wb wazd | 22:10 |
| * xnt14[work] hopes the mer + n900 + opengl + wazd's awesome theme = me screaming in excitement xD | 22:10 | |
| RST38h | javis: You still lose to Apple | 22:10 |
| lcuk | wazd, has your "package" arrived from the far east yet? lol | 22:10 |
| RST38h | javis: The problem with Apple is that you are not fighting technology, you are fighting the image | 22:11 |
| javispedro | RST38h, so you just sell those guys Office and watch the cash flow. | 22:11 |
| RST38h | javis: So, whatever straight thinking Finnish engineers can possible throw at Apple, it won't stand Jobsian reality distortion field | 22:12 |
| javispedro | I agree completely :) | 22:12 |
| RST38h | javis: But if you target business market, for example... | 22:12 |
| RST38h | javis: Or the cheap media phone market... | 22:12 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Yeah, but people used to say that about IBM. Then about Microsoft. Now about Google and/or Apple. | 22:13 |
| RST38h | javis: Or the communicators... | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | right, yeah, vim users aren't going to like this tablet.. | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | Not that I think the Maemo 5 lead device is going to make Nokia all successful. | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | But *some* market share would be nice ;-) | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Oh, Apple is far, FAR from the point where IBM became competitable | 22:13 |
| javispedro | more trolls for tmo is ALWAYS a good thing :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: if they were sane they grouped up with application vendors.. i think it's interesting to see Skype in the fold again | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | "competitable"? | 22:13 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: To me, this n9x0 thing looks more like 7650 or N95, a test model | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Skype in the fold again? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: look at summit schedule.. | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: as in "reached point where you could compete with it" | 22:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: it's a phone now :( | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: and? VoIP is still needed | 22:14 |
| esaym153 | anyone know an easy what to get the perl zlib module onto the n810? | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: More people to vote other trolls in to the council ;-) | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: heard about the operators getting hard-ons wrt skype on n-series? | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yes, of course | 22:15 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I thought I saw them in there. But I couldn't be sure. | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: well.. | 22:15 |
| javispedro | Maemo Troll Council. First action: switch to Symbian. | 22:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Android | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | WinCE | 22:16 |
| Jaffa | And then get surprised that they represent the community, and don't control Nokia's Maemo Devices teams | 22:16 |
| wazd | ok, there is no opaque layer on the screen? | 22:20 |
| wazd | is the screen polarized OLED or something? | 22:20 |
| RST38h | ? | 22:20 |
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| RST38h | it looks like the same covering as 5800 | 22:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: you can't see screen edges on any shot | 22:20 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 22:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: you can see it on 5800 | 22:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: wait, there is an edge | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | just like in 5800 | 22:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i26.tinypic.com/1zvfl2g.jpg <- where is it? :) | 22:21 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: Plasma uses more memory in 4.3 if anything | 22:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: here: http://i26.tinypic.com/11lnerr.jpg | 22:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: can't see anything :) | 22:22 |
| RST38h | there is an edge | 22:22 |
| lcuk | does anyone know how i search entire filesystem for large files and list them by size | 22:23 |
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| sampppa | http://www.unixtutorial.org/2008/03/find-large-files-and-directories/ | 22:23 |
| wazd | lcuk: you don't need any arrange system, remember? :) | 22:23 |
| sampppa | lcuk: | 22:23 |
| lcuk | thats the tool sampppa ! | 22:24 |
| lcuk | the one you hinted at earlier | 22:24 |
| sampppa | yes :) | 22:24 |
| lcuk | the command line came back with 2 things earlier :$ but i had other things i needed to do | 22:24 |
| sampppa | gotta go to sauna -> | 22:24 |
| sampppa | bbl | 22:24 |
| lcuk | thanks \o | 22:24 |
| sampppa | np. :) | 22:24 |
| wazd | sampppa: hate you in advance :) | 22:25 |
| sampppa | why? :) | 22:25 |
| wazd | sampppa: for sauna :P | 22:25 |
| sampppa | hehe | 22:25 |
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| wazd | no buttons at all in the front is a serious chalenge to Apple :D | 22:28 |
| tomaterr | oh gawd | 22:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Making it unable to do shit would be an even bigger one :) | 22:28 |
| tomaterr | thats an apple requirement | 22:29 |
| wazd | qwerty12_N810: Apple will place the screen on the side next :D | 22:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :D | 22:29 |
| lcuk | in other news, microsoft made a touch sensitive keyboard... and its actually an interesting concept | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/08/07/1743212/Microsoft-Hardware-Demos-Pressure-Sensitive-Keyboard?art_pos=18 | 22:31 |
| wazd | another hilarious quote from engadget | 22:31 |
| wazd | iono man, how can anyone possibly compete with these super innovative features. | 22:31 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJk1DVkIYI | 22:31 |
| * Jaffa can't believe they are *just* touting C&P in iPhone ads. | 22:31 | |
| RST38h | Innovation! | 22:33 |
| lcuk | its only to shutup the 100000000000 people who think its amusing to call into an apple store and ask | 22:33 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, Nokia with its "multimedia computer" claim... | 22:33 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it's more realistic than incredibility of CP :) | 22:34 |
| RST38h | heh | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: And Nokia never paid for a TV ad in prime time to hype it | 22:34 |
| javispedro | that's the ad. no cut at all. | 22:35 |
| RST38h | BTW, have you noticed that the temporary screen protector can now be kept on? | 22:35 |
| javispedro | i see it's as funny in english as in spanish. | 22:35 |
| RST38h | the silvery tab is removable | 22:35 |
| wazd | Jaffa: 5800 ads says another thing :) | 22:35 |
| Jaffa | Maybe they will with Rover. Or maybe this is the niche stepping stone to the highend Harmattan device. | 22:35 |
| Jaffa | wazd: I've not seen one. Lots of N97 ads around | 22:35 |
| javispedro | "you get the idea". Yes. I do. | 22:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: N97 ads make me want to kill everyone shown in the ad | 22:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: bloggers... | 22:36 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I've seen only MTS one | 22:37 |
| wazd | Jaffa: we had a real flood of it here | 22:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: the one about a concert? | 22:38 |
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| wazd | RST38h: no, bout a first person shooter :) | 22:38 |
| RST38h | ah, that one was tolerable | 22:38 |
| RST38h | This one was good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY_4hf2HP2s | 22:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyjFRGkz2Y that one | 22:40 |
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| * Jaffa is in a dilemma. I've got a nice small 3G phone. I've got a contract. | 22:40 | |
| Jaffa | I want a Rover with a data contract. | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | Bah | 22:41 |
| RST38h | move the sim card | 22:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: MIDI music must die in pain | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Would you be eligible for an upgrade by the time it comes out? | 22:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Oh there is a use for it | 22:42 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Take an orchestra, attach eletrodes to each performer, then connect to a MIDI sequencer | 22:42 |
| lcuk | fsck electrodes - just make em work with wiimo^M N900's | 22:43 |
| RST38h | hmm | 22:43 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: No. And I'm on Vodafone | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Vodafone don't do good data contracts. | 22:44 |
| lcuk | simulate string instruments using touch, have motion tracked with accel and even use the mic to blow | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Vodafone. | 22:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :( | 22:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: now THAT is an AD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN09P_-C0MI | 22:44 |
| Jaffa | Might have to get a Three PAYG SIM for their 5ukp top up for a gig or so of data a month. Then have a separate phone and tablet until contract runs out, then port number to whatever's best | 22:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: How expensive is data outside the contract> | 22:45 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Pricey enough. But I'll check and/or ring them up | 22:46 |
| * Jaffa assumes that if there is a device programme, they won't be SIMlocked. He also assumes that TMob-provided ones will still be rootable. | 22:47 | |
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| RST38h | 5ukp for 1GB of data sounds good | 22:47 |
| Jaffa | Yeah. Enough to not worry about it for general email/light web use. | 22:48 |
| Jaffa | And, of course, Modest discourages the former ;-) | 22:48 |
| RST38h | you won't hit 1GB with the tablet | 22:48 |
| RST38h | the only way to hit 1gb is to download video, really | 22:48 |
| lcuk | no | 22:48 |
| lcuk | 22:48 | |
| lcuk | web | 22:48 |
| lcuk | packages | 22:49 |
| RST38h | I honestly tried | 22:49 |
| lcuk | plus, we have big highres camera now | 22:49 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 hopes that browserd is not still in use. Apart from being useless, it also breaks extensions | 22:49 | |
| RST38h | For a month, 8 hours a day working on a PC, still less than 1GB | 22:49 |
| lcuk | it will be easy to want to push to friends | 22:49 |
| RST38h | Yes, once you are sending 5mpx images out, you may do it | 22:50 |
| lcuk | and those friends will be sending them back to you | 22:50 |
| lcuk | cos they have nokias too | 22:50 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: But then there are things like this: http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/local_press_releases/uk_press_releases/2007/unlimited_internet.html | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | ISTR being excited at the time, but the small print was... less so. | 22:50 |
| Jaffa | And there's a 500MB limit on that Vodafone thing | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i wonder if theres video included | 22:51 |
| lcuk | if it uses the same gstreamer infrstructure it should be possible right? | 22:51 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I bet you can record high-res video at a decent framerate | 22:52 |
| lcuk | heh jaffa? 5megapixel :D | 22:53 |
| lcuk | im just stoked the camera is in the right place | 22:53 |
| lcuk | without compromise, no faffy rotating thing, a proper cam :) | 22:54 |
| Jaffa | Vodafone are a bunch of brain-eating fucktards. Press release above touts "mobile internet for all" - but then this page describes what I remember getting through the post: http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=template10&pageID=MI_0004 - 5ukp for non-P2P/non-VoIP 500MB limit | 22:55 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, compromise is better than nothing | 22:57 |
| lcuk | and i wonder how it knows p2p | 22:57 |
| lcuk | thanks Stskeeps | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | 20090204 11:02.50Stskeepsexport PAGER=more maybe < for this | 22:59 |
| woglinde | hms why is cgit.freedesktop.org so slow | 22:59 |
| lcuk | cos you just asked that same question on 900 irc channels? | 23:01 |
| |thunder | whatd ya do ? use /amsg ? | 23:02 |
| woglinde | nope | 23:02 |
| woglinde | only here | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | dunno sometimes random slowdowns occur everywhere | 23:02 |
| glass | Jaffa: 500mb limit in terms that "anyone" can understand, i suppose | 23:04 |
| glass | "non p2p" | 23:04 |
| glass | Jaffa: it's bullshit of course | 23:04 |
| glass | Jaffa: mobile internet becomes a lot more useful if you don't have such limits that effectively make it a suicide to do anything bandwith intensive | 23:05 |
| RST38h | glass: 1GB limit is totally reasonable | 23:05 |
| glass | "you can download 200kbyte/s!" ".. for couple of minutes" | 23:05 |
| glass | RST38h: no it isn't | 23:05 |
| RST38h | glass: As I said, hitting it is complicated | 23:05 |
| glass | RST38h: i've had unlimited for years | 23:06 |
| RST38h | 500MB is way less so | 23:06 |
| konttori__ | needless to say that unlimited 3g costs 9 euros per month in finland. | 23:06 |
| glass | konttori__: exactly | 23:06 |
| RST38h | glass: I had unlimited in US, then limited to 110MB in Russia, our caps now are 30GB | 23:06 |
| RST38h | glass: Never hitting this limit | 23:06 |
| konttori__ | yeah, well, 30 gb sounds reasonable | 23:06 |
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| RST38h | glass: Up to 700MB things were problematic, but not after that | 23:06 |
| glass | RST38h: you would if you wanted to download 40 gigs | 23:06 |
| RST38h | konttori: I can actually get unlim, but they want a VPN connection | 23:07 |
| RST38h | konttori: It will be cheaper (!) too | 23:07 |
| glass | why don't you get it? | 23:07 |
| RST38h | glass: There is nothing of this size I want to download | 23:07 |
| glass | vpn gives you private ip? | 23:07 |
| RST38h | glass: private connection, they do not want people to jack into the switch and impersonate me | 23:07 |
| RST38h | glass: But I have multiple machines at home, so I would have to buy a router with VPN client (NOT passthrough) | 23:08 |
| glass | yeah but you could setup the vpn to most home-grade"switches" anyways nowadays | 23:08 |
| RST38h | glass: Not most, some | 23:08 |
| glass | RST38h: well units that cost 20-30bucks | 23:08 |
| RST38h | glass: actually not, those only offer pass throughs | 23:08 |
| glass | RST38h: depends on the router i suppose | 23:08 |
| RST38h | glass: But yes, I could buy a $150+ DLink router that has VPN client on its own | 23:09 |
| glass | why so expensive | 23:09 |
| RST38h | glass: But I read some reviews of that and it does not look solid :( | 23:09 |
| glass | lots of cheapers have hackable/community | 23:09 |
| RST38h | glass: It is considered a small business grade router | 23:09 |
| glass | RST38h: small business grade is a marketing term that means 100$ extra | 23:09 |
| RST38h | glass: yes | 23:09 |
| glass | it's all same shit still | 23:09 |
| RST38h | glass: and faster cpu too because vpn needs that | 23:10 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: don't know anything about discount program (well... I really hope they'll repeat it :P ) but, for example, in Italy no one sell locked phones anymore.... they lock you with a contract :) but you can use any sim... | 23:10 |
| glass | and i'm not trusting dlink after they failed to make a 100mbit switch that would've stayed functional for couple of years | 23:10 |
| RST38h | glass: Dunno, DLInk still has to disappoint me | 23:10 |
| glass | RST38h: yeah but cpu speed isn't what affects if the device is 50 or 100 bucks | 23:10 |
| glass | RST38h: the cards i got with that switch worked great though | 23:10 |
| glass | RST38h: but the switch died one day, blinked lights and all | 23:11 |
| RST38h | glass: No, not really. It is all in the name really | 23:11 |
| lcuk | RST38h, how much bandwidth does something like vnc take | 23:11 |
| glass | the same china factories make all anyways :D | 23:11 |
| lcuk | i realise ssh sessions are simple | 23:11 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Indeed. You can buy unlocked phones in the UK too; but most people get them subsidised through a contract or shared cost as a PAYG deal | 23:11 |
| RST38h | Anyways, I am still not ready to replace my DI-624 with a new router | 23:11 |
| lcuk | what about x11 remoting ot whatever its called | 23:11 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: I do not think it takes a lot extra | 23:11 |
| RST38h | lcuk: in 10-15% range I guess | 23:12 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:12 |
| glass | RST38h: i got a while ago this one router i slapped tomato fw into and it has served me sweeet.. it can do wifi client too for erm.. emergency access | 23:12 |
| lcuk | just with you saying about your many machines connectivity | 23:12 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: in Italy, for example, people is so crazy/stupid to pay even 600€ for an iPhone, with no contract at all :) | 23:12 |
| glass | Andy80: 600 for iphone without contract wouldn't be bad compared to most iphone contracts it was sold with | 23:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Andy80: Apple's perfect userbase :) | 23:13 |
| konttori__ | indeed. same price here. | 23:13 |
| Andy80 | I'm talking about 3Gs eh.... 3G costs about 499€ | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | glass: There is one catch to our caps though | 23:13 |
| glass | RST38h: porno filters? | 23:14 |
| RST38h | glass: Actually, two: 1) you can exceed the cap but then you are paying by MB and 2) all local traffic is free | 23:14 |
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| glass | ah | 23:14 |
| glass | RST38h: russia? | 23:14 |
| RST38h | glass: Given that DC++ network is local... | 23:14 |
| glass | you mentioned something about russia anyhow | 23:14 |
| glass | ah | 23:14 |
| RST38h | glass: No, ultranet.ru-local | 23:14 |
| RST38h | glass: Which covers Moscow north/northwest basically | 23:15 |
| glass | RST38h: okays. i've heard of such setups. and the student network here had a similar setup | 23:15 |
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| RST38h | glass: Yes, except that this "student network" potentially connects 3-4 million people | 23:17 |
| woglinde | laaallaaa | 23:17 |
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| glass | RST38h: i still prefer the billions over millions | 23:17 |
| glass | :p | 23:17 |
| RST38h | glass: But the arrangement appeared in a similar way, some guys connected their computers together with ethernet, then connected a few more buildings, started charging money, etc | 23:18 |
| glass | yeah | 23:18 |
| RST38h | glass: Not a problem, you just pay for traffic outside ultranet.ru | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | or people in the net that can afford and dont mind just carry on paying their normal net fee and just provide a gateway | 23:19 |
| glass | RST38h: look.. my warez habits have gone the way of pressing entire seasons or series to download at once | 23:19 |
| RST38h | glass: Most of the ...ehh... content can be found locally though, so there is no need to download 40GB of video from the outside | 23:19 |
| glass | modern marvels ftw | 23:19 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, I downloaded Fringe from the Net last time, and did not hit my cap :) | 23:19 |
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| ideamonk | hmm got problems... followed till step 4 on http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall | 23:20 |
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| glass | RST38h: it's all relative though.. prices of things | 23:21 |
| RST38h | true | 23:21 |
| ideamonk | Xephyr is running in another window | 23:21 |
| ideamonk | but [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start | 23:21 |
| ideamonk | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found | 23:21 |
| ideamonk | doesnt work | 23:21 |
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| RST38h | At the end of the day, the only prices that matter are lodging, food, and transporation | 23:21 |
| glass | medicine, fun | 23:22 |
| glass | can't live without fun | 23:22 |
| glass | people suicide then | 23:22 |
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| woglinde | re rst | 23:23 |
| RST38h | fun can be had rather cheaply | 23:23 |
| RST38h | books, hobbies, light tourism | 23:23 |
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| RST38bis | health and education are tough though | 23:25 |
| glass | since i had to stop drinking my aspirations for another trip to russia have pretty much died | 23:25 |
| glass | education is free if you got internet and brains and language skills | 23:25 |
| glass | and time | 23:25 |
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| RST38bis | well, educating kids is more complicated | 23:26 |
| glass | it seems like that everywhere, everytime | 23:26 |
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| glass | we went to russian karelia in the early '90s with family(i must have been 12-13 or so) | 23:27 |
| glass | after the curtain fell. was pretty exotic.. | 23:28 |
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| glass | so. anyone got board/chip specs of the rx51 | 23:29 |
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| RST38bis | glass: i would suggest moscow in cool dry weather | 23:32 |
| RST38bis | glass: can wander here for hours and never see a repeating sight | 23:33 |
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| dropcode | I'm wondering if theres anyone here who can answer a question for me regarding Python Purple | 23:38 |
| dropcode | I'm just wondering if its possible to get it set up on either windows or a linux that isn't debian? | 23:38 |
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| dropcode | i'm not all too proficient with linux myself so I don't really know where to start | 23:39 |
| ideamonk | can i install apps on the maemo emulator ? if so how ? and the default setup really seems empty ! | 23:40 |
| ideamonk | is that normal or i scrwd the setup | 23:40 |
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| RST38bis | you can, apt-get | 23:46 |
| ideamonk | oh is it... thats sweeet | 23:46 |
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