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| VDVsx | oh my 'gerbick' also trolls in engadget :( | 00:09 |
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| Jaffa | He's the new Mike Cane | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | Altho' I've seen his name re-trolling recently | 00:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | We Want Darius! | 00:10 |
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| Jaffa | Darius for pres^Wcouncil | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | Talking of which, I need to start the balls rolling | 00:13 |
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| RST38bis | Darius is unavailable at the moment, being serviced at some psychiatric ward. | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | where's frank.wagner when we need him! | 00:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:14 |
| RST38bis | But he will be back as soon as his sedatives wear off | 00:15 |
| VDVsx | met darius, Mike cane isn't from my time, I guess :) | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Lol, even Reggie banned him | 00:15 |
| RST38bis | Darius is actually a star of a kind | 00:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (and Reggie isn't really one to use his power against proper members) | 00:16 |
| RST38bis | Famous Polish nutcase troll | 00:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | With an Yahoo Ireland account :) | 00:16 |
| VDVsx | Darius was a star ....for some time | 00:17 |
| RST38bis | qwerty: oh, you don't wanna say... | 00:17 |
| VDVsx | "will be the next think tank", eheheh | 00:18 |
| VDVsx | the guy always said that :) | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Khertan's awesome: [to Darius] "Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... !" | 00:19 |
| Stskeeps | which would have sounded even more awesome in french | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:20 |
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| VDVsx | lolol | 00:20 |
| VDVsx | " Notice there are no Red and Green Buttons ( Call send and End ) could be touch sensitive like in Nokia 5530 ." hummm | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | did noone notice it has a screen protector on it? | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | the sticker is even there to peel it off | 00:21 |
| VDVsx | yup, I noticed that | 00:21 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 wonders if it'll be able to run MIDP stuff, being a phone and all... | 00:22 | |
| Stskeeps | it should be powerful enough for it | 00:23 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I'd be surprised OOTB, but Jalimo etc will run well | 00:24 |
| Jaffa | The new ARM JVMs are reasonable enough on an N8x0 once started | 00:25 |
| Jaffa | Hopefully the fasterness will help there (and Python, too) | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | Bed time | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It'd be interesting, after all, even my old N-Gage (no, it was not used for calls) could run MIDP 1.0 stuff :) | 00:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | gn | 00:26 |
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| xnt14[work] | ~beatup the idiots who made mssql and liberty | 00:34 |
| xnt14[work] | ~beat the idiots who made mssql and liberty | 00:35 |
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| xnt14[work] | ~kill the idiots who made mssql and liberty | 00:35 |
| * infobot beats the idiots who made mssql and liberty with a very wet, sticky noodle | 00:35 | |
| * infobot shoots a excited pseudophoton gun at the idiots who made mssql and liberty | 00:35 | |
| * Stskeeps passes xnt14[work] some ritalin | 00:35 | |
| xnt14[work] | xD | 00:35 |
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| * xnt14[work] chokes the idiot...er...Lead Developer at ms | 00:36 | |
| xnt14[work] | no really, they are retards..... | 00:36 |
| * xnt14[work] goes back to win2000...... | 00:36 | |
| xnt14[work] | *forcibly :P | 00:37 |
| * xnt14[work] wonders if this thing works with mysql...... | 00:37 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: not that you care about fremantle that much, but with fremantle beta2 xchat has started breaking | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | (when we added those apis) | 00:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | and? | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | a heads up :) | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | will be writing a patch for it probably | 00:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm not an maintainer of it anyway, it was just a move to 2.8.6 and other hacks that I wanted to see | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 00:39 |
| RST38bis | what apis btw?? | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | RST38bis: ah, we upgraded to gtk 2.14 and newer libosso, something's bound to go wrong | 00:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:40 |
| RST38bis | ah, sure | 00:41 |
| RST38bis | that has got all the chances to break apps =) | 00:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Adding vibration would be awesome (it's always been a TODO to add LED support...) | 00:41 |
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| RST38bis | yellow or magenta led color =) | 00:44 |
| RST38bis | i have never seen these two before | 00:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Grab jott's ledcolor.py and see them :) | 00:44 |
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| RST38bis | got it, just havent tried it | 00:47 |
| Firebird | Hmm, has anyone ported ogre3d to maemo 5? | 00:49 |
| RST38bis | <sleep> | 00:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | /j mercurial | 01:26 |
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| Macer | hm | 01:46 |
| Macer | dosbox for maemo? | 01:46 |
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| javispedro | Macer, it's been on extras-devel for a while | 02:09 |
| Macer | javispedro: just got my n810 last week | 02:12 |
| Macer | but ive been usikng mer for a bit | 02:12 |
| Macer | and well..... | 02:12 |
| Macer | ;) | 02:12 |
| Macer | no comment | 02:13 |
| javispedro | Macer, ah, first contact with Mer still scares a bit, if that's what you mean | 02:14 |
| Macer | a bit is an understatement | 02:15 |
| Macer | heh | 02:15 |
| Macer | but i guess everything starts somewhere | 02:15 |
| Macer | im using pb's maemo to sd deal now | 02:15 |
| Macer | so far maemo seems the best bet on an n810 | 02:16 |
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| javispedro | heh | 02:36 |
| javispedro | got to the mario kart title screen | 02:36 |
| javispedro | at frameskip=1 it's faster than realtime | 02:37 |
| javispedro | unfortunately crashes when enabling gcc's -O :( | 02:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey, is there a .install for Tear? | 02:49 |
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| Macer | mario kart? | 03:03 |
| Macer | :) | 03:03 |
| Macer | wtf? | 03:03 |
| Macer | if it's the n64 edition it's worth it | 03:03 |
| Macer | too bad there is no 3d on an n810 even tho the hardware is there | 03:04 |
| Macer | i have to flash the n810 again | 03:04 |
| Macer | and start from scratch | 03:04 |
| Macer | heh | 03:04 |
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| doc|home | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/ | 04:09 |
| doc|home | that is very tempting | 04:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dooo it. | 04:11 |
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| doc|home | although it looks thicker, more phone like than previous-tablet like | 04:12 |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't seen phones that thick recently :) | 04:13 | |
| doc|home | friend of mine has a sony-ericsson which is about that thick | 04:13 |
| doc|home | recent one too | 04:14 |
| doc|home | then again, hopefully it'll mean it'll have a great battery life | 04:14 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 04:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | impeccable logic | 04:15 |
| doc|home | ? | 04:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it's big, it must have great battery life | 04:17 |
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| doc|home | timeless_mbp: you'll see there I said "hopefully" | 04:17 |
| Luke-Jr | hm | 04:18 |
| Luke-Jr | I might be tempted for a RX-51 if its keyboard didn't suck even more than the N810's already does | 04:18 |
| timeless_mbp | you could have just as easily said "it's new, hopefully that'll mean it'll have great battery life" | 04:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr: some people claim it the keyboard will indeed suck less than the n810 | 04:18 |
| Luke-Jr | timeless_mbp: just LOOK at it | 04:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and one would hope that once in a while we'd learn from our mistakes | 04:19 |
| doc|home | timeless_mbp: how would its age alone possibly influence battery life? it being thicker may mean it contains a larger battery. | 04:19 |
| Luke-Jr | it's an abomination | 04:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr: i do that 5 days a week, please don't make me do that on my days off :) | 04:19 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: unlikely. Nokia seems to be more concerned about using their existing batteries than using space available | 04:19 |
| doc|home | Luke-Jr: that'd suck :/ | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | doc|home: newer technology could mean better power management | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | or the software could be less dumb about power use | 04:20 |
| Luke-Jr | doc|home: the N810 no doubt has more room for battery that it doesn't use | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | there are lots of ways | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | the point is that your logic is as bad as mine | 04:20 |
| * doc|home sighs | 04:20 | |
| timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr 's logic otoh is quite sound | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | we try to reuse components | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | it saves money | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | or rather, reduces cost | 04:20 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i'm still hungry | 04:21 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe i can get food before the food goes away | 04:21 |
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| gogol | anyone spare some advice/wisdom concerning dbus? | 06:10 |
| gogol | I would really like to be able to cause program to stop/restart when 810 has connected to a new network. is that possible via dbus? | 06:11 |
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| yigalbadbad | if i want to increase the size of the debian image for the easy-debian-chroot | 06:15 |
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| FireFox16 | hello | 06:16 |
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| yigalbadbad | hello | 06:16 |
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| yigalbadbad | is there a way to increase the size of the easy-debian-chroot? | 06:20 |
| gogol | not that i know of. | 06:20 |
| yigalbadbad | really? | 06:20 |
| gogol | yeesh, i thought there'd be more helpful people in here. | 06:20 |
| gogol | im sure there's a way, i just dont know what it is. | 06:21 |
| yigalbadbad | what about creating a larger image and dd'ing the old image to the new lare | 06:21 |
| yigalbadbad | s/lare/larger image | 06:21 |
| yigalbadbad | ? | 06:21 |
| yigalbadbad | really, no one, not even b-man? | 06:22 |
| yigalbadbad | wow shocked and amazed | 06:24 |
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| yigal-g1 | i see it is fully covered in the forums | 06:45 |
| yigal-g1 | great! i have almost installed all of texlive onto the tablet and it is working so well, but i need a little space | 06:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | doc|home, 1320mAh | 07:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | BL-5J | 07:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same as 5800 | 07:04 |
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| yigalbadbad | great resize2fs perfect | 07:06 |
| yigalbadbad | 1.8G much easier than 1.2 | 07:07 |
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| rkirti | ~lart github | 07:37 |
| * infobot urinates on github | 07:37 | |
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| RST38h | 'We are working harder. The financial crisis is not making it easy for them over there,' said Banjo, 24, speaking about Americans, whose trust he has won and whose money he has fleeced, via his Dell laptop. | 08:53 |
| RST38h | 419 is cemented in Nigerian popular culture. and the scammers, known as 'yahoo-yahoo boys,' are glorified in pop songs such as 'Yahoozee,' which gained even more fame after former secretary of state Colin L. Powell danced to it at a London festival last year. | 08:54 |
| RST38h | Please tell me it is from the Onion article... | 08:54 |
| `0660 | :) | 09:03 |
| doc|home | GeneralAntilles: so no extra battery life from that then? :/ | 09:07 |
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| chx | with the builtin map, how can i get it to show where i am currently? this is silly | 10:00 |
| chx | it reads the GPS position from my BT receiver but the map is not zoomed in | 10:00 |
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| * Stskeeps has only ever used maemo mapper and tangogps :P | 10:03 | |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:07 |
| Jaffa | chx: Press the button at the bottom right of the toolbar | 10:07 |
| chx | Jaffa: the circled plus? nothing happens | 10:09 |
| Jaffa | chx: Got map data loaded for your country? | 10:10 |
| chx | it says Canada-Alaska | 10:10 |
| chx | I am in Vancouver, BC | 10:10 |
| chx | to my best knowledge, this city is in Canada. | 10:11 |
| chx | In case I am wrong, there is a USA West map too :P | 10:11 |
| chx | oh doh | 10:11 |
| chx | i needed to click that map! | 10:11 |
| * chx headdesks | 10:11 | |
| Jaffa | As an aside, I've just had an epiphany for small tweaks to Modest to make it GMail aware: 'delete' -> Archive; 'Move to GMail\Spam' -> 'Report Spam'; 'Move to GMail\Trash' -> 'Delete' | 10:11 |
| Jaffa | chx: Yeah, only one map can be active and you need to choose which one ;-) | 10:12 |
| chx | ok let's see maemo mapper this is a pos. | 10:12 |
| Jaffa | 'Maps' isn't too bad. Just quirky | 10:13 |
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| chx | how can i get maemo mapper to rotate to north and also to zoom in ? the zooming in out from menu is very .. cumbersome | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | zoom in can be done with menus | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | err | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | buttons | 10:17 |
| chx | OH | 10:18 |
| chx | so those are not hardwired for volume control? | 10:18 |
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| chx | so... neither maps nor maemo mapper can route with public transit? (google maps can) | 10:19 |
| Jaffa | No, any app (Maps, Maemo Mapper, browsers) can use the top button | 10:19 |
| Jaffa | chx: Maemo Mapper uses Google Maps for routing, so it may be possible there | 10:20 |
| RST38h | Hello, gentlemen | 10:22 |
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| chx | Jaffa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=207241 tried these urls (like http://mt.google.com/mt?v=ap.999&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d) but all i get is 49 maps failed to download | 10:27 |
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| chx | oh. #176 let me see that | 10:29 |
| chx | yay this worked. | 10:30 |
| ShadowJK | doc|home: 1320 is smaller than n810 battery. You can only hope the bluetooth doesnt randomly decide to use huge amounts of power as on n810 | 10:31 |
| ShadowJK | and that the wlan chip uses less power and less cpu to push data over spi | 10:31 |
| ShadowJK | and that the gps uses less power | 10:31 |
| ShadowJK | and that the cpu can idle lower, and that the software doesnt do stupid and unneeded timers | 10:32 |
| chx | ok i feel really stupid, how do i route with maemo mapper? | 10:33 |
| chx | the menu has route but only open download and save? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | route->download | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | it grabs it from google maps | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't autoroute, btw :P | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 10:33 |
| chx | download... curious! | 10:34 |
| chx | the tablet has frozen. | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it's just badly synchronous | 10:34 |
| ShadowJK | best thing really would be if the battery door design was simple and versatile enough that some innovative chinese company could cheaply make and sell a bigger battery+door | 10:35 |
| chx | ShadowJK: thats happening. | 10:35 |
| chx | http://www.mugenpowerbatteries.info/epages/es109514.sf/en_US/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es109514_es120302495377/Products/HLI-N810XL | 10:35 |
| chx | ShadowJK: just the whole n810 market is too small | 10:37 |
| chx | ShadowJK: so we do not see something like Garmin porting their GPS app to the device | 10:37 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I mean I hope they make a battery for the next device too | 10:38 |
| RST38h | Wait | 10:39 |
| RST38h | The battery is the same as 5800 battery | 10:39 |
| RST38h | Let us see if there are higher cap replacements for it | 10:39 |
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| RST38h | heya wazd | 10:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 10:40 |
| RST38h | Ok, there IS a 2200mAh 5800 battery but it is twice as thick and comes with its own back cover | 10:40 |
| ShadowJK | I bought a hugher cap replacement battery, mugen power, for my n800. It was sold as and labeled as 1800mAh, however its true capacity is 1200 | 10:40 |
| ShadowJK | higher cap* | 10:41 |
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| wazd | ShadowJK: hmm, native n800 battery is 1440 or something | 10:41 |
| ShadowJK | it even reports 1200 through the third pin on it :-) it's kinda funny when it says 1800 on the battery itself | 10:42 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Oh well | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | probably wouldn't work with BME and 1800? :P | 10:42 |
| RST38h | Shadow: That is a Chinese product. | 10:42 |
| RST38h | Sts: No reason why not | 10:42 |
| ShadowJK | stskeeps: nah it probably would work, but the battery meter would be useless. after full charge it would assume 1800 | 10:43 |
| ShadowJK | my original n800 battery has about 900mAh usable capacity left, but reporting is fixed at 1500 or near that at time of manufacture | 10:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, I think it has a full SD slot | 10:44 |
| chx | so I think I miss a manual or something. | 10:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: of fracking mini SD at most | 10:44 |
| chx | i cant figure out the routing | 10:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: I doubt it, compare the size to the SIM card slot | 10:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: miniSD is more like it | 10:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: No sweat, an adapter makes it work with microsd | 10:44 |
| chx | I gave it a street address and did not really route. | 10:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't understand where's the sim and where's the sd :) | 10:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: the sim is under the battery | 10:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh | 10:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: I thought it was on the edge :) | 10:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: It has got easily recognizable surface contacts | 10:45 |
| ShadowJK | chx: I'd try it on google maps website first really.. | 10:45 |
| RST38h | or pads, really | 10:45 |
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| wazd | RST38h: then the device is hella small! :) | 10:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: The thing does look like 5800 on the inside | 10:45 |
| chx | ShadowJK: but then i do not have gps :/ | 10:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: Mmm...The image also shows a bunch of RCA AV jacks, compare to them | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: devel units were kinda small but in display it felt as usable as a n810 | 10:47 |
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| Stskeeps | they're really a delicious class of devices | 10:48 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps <-- Cpt Obvious =) | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes yeah | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: I don't like micro-usb, but whatever :) | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | as long as it's not minisd, i'm fine. | 10:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think it would be good for uber-slim device, not for such juggernaught :) | 10:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: well they did leave the power socket, so we should be fine | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: they left power socket? i doubt that | 10:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: Some idiot standardized on it. | 10:51 |
| RST38h | Sts: Look at the power supply | 10:52 |
| RST38h | Sts: Same jack as always | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it was a USB charger tbh | 10:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: omg! | 10:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://i25.tinypic.com/bg8nyr.jpg is that a power supply? | 10:52 |
| RST38h | killed kenny? | 10:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have the same | 10:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can measure it! :D | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the FCC report has a microusb charger | 10:53 |
| RST38h | hmmm | 10:53 |
| RST38h | that's kinda bad | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | why? share one port for charging, either through computer or through wall | 10:53 |
| RST38h | given that the n810 charger plug is so flimsy, having microusb plug instead may not be that bad though | 10:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep, almost everybody has nokia charger | 10:54 |
| chx | wait, WHAT is http://i25.tinypic.com/bg8nyr.jpg this?? | 10:54 |
| RST38h | Sts: USB has a limit on the current | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | chx: what rock have you been hiding under? | 10:54 |
| chx | thats not an N810. | 10:54 |
| chx | Stskeeps: dayjob? | 10:54 |
| wazd | chx: welcome back from the Moon :D | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | chx: rx-51 pics leaked :) | 10:54 |
| chx | no shit http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild | 10:54 |
| RST38h | wazd: I think it is the size of HTC Max 4G | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's fully enough to charge a tablet | 10:54 |
| chx | so the keyboard is even more fucked? | 10:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: noway, it's much smaller | 10:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: Yes but in what time? | 10:55 |
| chx | four lines was too much? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | chx: trust me, the keyboard is a lot better than n810 one :P | 10:55 |
| RST38h | chx: this time we have got real arrow buttons | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | at least if it's the least like the devel units | 10:55 |
| RST38h | chx: so, I am half satisfied | 10:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: 4G is pretty large, larger than n800 screen | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | hmm | 10:55 |
| wazd | RST38h: cause it has 3.8" screen | 10:55 |
| RST38h | I saw it recently, looked small enough | 10:55 |
| chx | wait | 10:55 |
| chx | 3.8" screen? | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | 3.5" | 10:56 |
| chx | the previous news was 3.5" | 10:56 |
| chx | doh | 10:56 |
| chx | that's really small | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's another device they're talking about | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:56 |
| RST38h | We are talking of HTC | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's a delicious platform | 10:56 |
| wazd | I'm really wondering bout the screen | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | chx: the extra margin for fingers on that keyboard -really- helps things | 10:56 |
| wazd | It really looks like it's OLED | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: if the Tentacled One makes Nokia guys work with the community and prevents them from fucking up the firmware | 10:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: chances are low for tha | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: we can always hack the OS. that's a big plus. | 10:57 |
| wazd | cause every unit with ordinary TFT will show the screen under flash | 10:57 |
| chx | ok so where do we people see a SIM http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/ card ? | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Sts: You do not know that | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: they have X-terminal, end of story.. | 10:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: it has got some covering... | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | chx: on one of the other pictures | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | SIM isn't really a surprise | 10:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: Unless it's fully opaque :) | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Oh yessss | 10:58 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Also I do not see flash being used | 10:58 |
| wazd | How desperate you need to be to sell Nokia prototypes on forums :) | 10:59 |
| RST38h | Just stupid | 10:59 |
| wazd | RST38h: well flash or bright light | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: how stupid do you need to be to show the IMEI and MAC up front.. | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | that thing will be useless as a phone very soon | 10:59 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Not really | 10:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: There is no way to disable phone by IMEI worldwide :) | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: add IMEI to stolen devices list.. | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | ah, okay | 11:00 |
| wazd | RST38h: anyway, TFT screen can look hidden under small reflected light only | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: What stolen devices list, Sts? | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | i guess this might just be a EU thing | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: Exactly | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: In .RU, people have been pushing for the stolen devices list for years now, police too | 11:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: Yet, the cell companies do not create one ;) | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | either way, first SSU and ban from system updates :P | 11:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://www.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/img_4164-small.jpg - see? | 11:01 |
| wazd | RST38h: the light is much milder, but the screen is clearly visible | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | the screen protector probably blocks the light and allows a "oOo" experience when sliding it off | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:02 |
| chx | why the hell cant manufacturers ship with a real screen protector | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | chx: at the point you peel it off it's no longer their fault if something happens :P | 11:03 |
| chx | the clumsy guys like me would not waste their money -- i ruined hte invisibleshield when trying to put it on :( | 11:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, that is one point. But. Are they making a hole for speaker in every protector? :) | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: that part is a bit weird for me too yes | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's a bit embarassing that the pictures have been published for half a month already though | 11:05 |
| chx | where...? | 11:05 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, they were on the fracking indonesian forum :D | 11:05 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: i don't know exactly where Indonesia is :D | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | so, bets on actual announcement? | 11:06 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: at least Quim's comments :) | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | if there was such a complete prototype, and fremantle is in beta2, in july 15 in friggen indonesia, i'm willing to bet nokia world by now :P | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | (in september) | 11:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: First of all, what the hell the prototype does in indonesia? :) | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | beats me | 11:07 |
| chx | GSM testing | 11:08 |
| wazd | chx: is there a cell conection there? :D | 11:08 |
| chx | ofcoz | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | it certainly points to a more finished product | 11:08 |
| wazd | t.m.o is down | 11:08 |
| chx | I remember companies using rural France and rural Hungary for their modem testing because those were the worst phone connections in Europe | 11:09 |
| chx | i guess this is the same in spades | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it's a conspiracy! nokia wants to contain the damage ;) | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | seriously, by the fact no threads have been shut down about rx-51, shows that talk.* isn't controlled by some vast conspiracy | 11:09 |
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| chx | so then the N97 mini http://mobile-review.com/articles/2009/birulki-27.shtml is not this? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | probably just a n97 mini yeah | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | that said, it could be a rx-71 ;p | 11:10 |
| chx | i somewhat cant imagine Nokia bringing out two N97 siblings | 11:11 |
| chx | one down and one up?? | 11:11 |
| chx | I will be in Paris, on another conference | 11:12 |
| chx | oh well | 11:12 |
| chx | i bet they wont hand out phones even at Nokia World | 11:12 |
| chx | :P | 11:12 |
| johnx | maybe not siblings so much as replacements | 11:12 |
| chx | the Nokia N97 is not even yet widespread | 11:13 |
| chx | The Nokia N97 was released in US flagship stores on 9 June 2009 | 11:13 |
| chx | replacements? | 11:14 |
| chx | no way | 11:14 |
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| johnx | well, I wonder how far out the "mini" is | 11:15 |
| chx | me too | 11:17 |
| chx | i guess we know in four weeks | 11:17 |
| wazd | as it is written, n97 mini has less memory, smaller screen and no d-pad | 11:17 |
| wazd | otherwise it's the same n97 | 11:17 |
| johnx | but it has those arrow keys | 11:18 |
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| johnx | at first I thought people were mistaking it for the rover, but the keyboard is slightly different | 11:18 |
| chx | i guess the only surprise will be the price | 11:18 |
| chx | we shall see | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Only rabid paranoid whack jobs would've considered Nokia interference in tmo a realistic possibility. | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | (based on Maemo Software/Devices' previous stances) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | i know :) | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | N97 mini might replace the N97, to better position Rover? | 11:20 |
| Jaffa | Seems premature, perhaps. Maybe Harmattan'll be an OS2006-style close-range upgrade announced at launch. | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | harmattan will be a major overhaul except if they've been working on the apps / desktop for a long time already | 11:21 |
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| Macer | heh | 11:23 |
| Macer | well | 11:23 |
| Macer | maemo seems like the best thing to use | 11:23 |
| Macer | i need to learn how to use a different wm | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, nice catch by someone, it's still in N-series | 11:28 |
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| * Stskeeps shakes talk.* | 11:29 | |
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| wazd | Just wanted to ask if tmo is still down :) | 11:30 |
| RST38h | urgh, a network outage | 11:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: What about that iPhone pic? | 11:30 |
| RST38h | Is it comparison with would be N9x0? | 11:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: you can clearly see the screen edge despite of huge ammount of gloss and polarized layer | 11:31 |
| RST38h | ah | 11:31 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...I see your point but still doubt it will be an OLED screen | 11:31 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: indeed; but I can't see them wanting to keep fremantle around for too long | 11:31 |
| wazd | RST38h: but it's suspecious :) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | we already know screen type, go look at GA's posts and kernel | 11:31 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: go look where, tmo is down :) | 11:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: Troll the t.m.o! | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | he made a blog post | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:32 |
| * RST38h is facing a tough job of making EA Linux boot in <10 seconds | 11:32 | |
| RST38h | Off JFFS2 | 11:32 |
| RST38h | Any hints, gentlemen? | 11:32 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: link? :) | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: use ubifs? | 11:33 |
| johnx | somewhat related: quake3 on an omap3 looking gorgeous and fast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsclXxxjxVg | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | ~rx-51 | 11:34 |
| infobot | it has been said that rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | ah, right | 11:34 |
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| RST38h | Sts: yes, I would do that eventually, but in the meanwhile what can I cut from boot process? | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Sts: Given that networking and USB support is already gone | 11:35 |
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| RST38h | heya johnx | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: write your own custom /etc/rc or something | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | avoid any kind of console mapping | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Done | 11:35 |
| RST38h | Hmm...does it take time? | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | /linuxrc is pretty easy to write | 11:37 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 11:37 |
| johnx | hey RST38h | 11:38 |
| RST38h | Although I think it has already been cut down | 11:38 |
| johnx | RST38h: error checking needs to go :) | 11:38 |
| johnx | maybe you can get by without udev? | 11:38 |
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| Jaffa | New meme: tmo is down cos Nokia want to stop people discussing RX-51 and they can't control Engadget. | 11:39 |
| RST38h | johnx: There is part that scans for bad blocks - I am searching for it in the kernel right now | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: They can't control Engadget? WRooooong | 11:39 |
| Jaffa | Unfortunately, the paranoid folk can't discuss it, cos their favourite trolling ground is down ;-) | 11:39 |
| RST38h | They use Engadget to feed propaganda to the feeble minded! | 11:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's back | 11:39 |
| johnx | Jaffa: gah. we're gonna have issues with tmo (the forum) vs tmo (that US cell carrier) | 11:40 |
| johnx | namespace collision... | 11:40 |
| RST38h | johnx: Could you englighten me on what udev is? I have seen it used but it is not part of the standard Unix, so I have no idea | 11:40 |
| johnx | RST38h: like devfs | 11:40 |
| RST38h | ah | 11:40 |
| johnx | or close enough | 11:41 |
| RST38h | So if I turn it off, I will lose /dev ? | 11:41 |
| johnx | you get to use a static dev | 11:41 |
| johnx | just like the kernel does before devfs is up | 11:41 |
| johnx | honestly though it hasn't caused me much pain, so I haven't had to screw with it: thus I know little about it | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | johnx: TMo or TMob. | 11:42 |
| johnx | which some people will get, and "blessed new users" won't | 11:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: All right, let us see... | 11:44 |
| Jaffa | johnx: true | 11:44 |
| johnx | what's a forum without constant naming convention confusion? :) | 11:45 |
| * RST38h notices how the mood slowly moves toward "let us murder all the newbies" point | 11:45 | |
| johnx | I'm just glad there will be something worth talking about besides "when will nokia release it?!" | 11:45 |
| RST38h | How predictable... | 11:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: Just create a dozen different threads in Competition subforum and let 'em feed | 11:46 |
| t_s_o | talk seems up and running again now | 11:49 |
| johnx | but tmo (the cell carrier) was down for me the other day :) | 11:49 |
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| t_s_o | ... | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Ok, I have got an 8 second boot, with MTD off | 11:53 |
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| ShadowJK | rst38h/stskeeps: nokia has lately been making devices that have BOTH standard small nokia charger port AND charging through microUSB | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Yes, and that is exactly what I have been hoping for :) | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Shadow: (and, ideally, switching back to the power jack used in E70, because the smaller version is flimsy) | 12:05 |
| wazd | qgil is on the forum :) | 12:08 |
| wazd | "Shut up, he's gonna talk!" © Forrest Gump :) | 12:08 |
| RST38h | url? | 12:12 |
| RST38h | johnx: Could you explain why it is remounting the filesystem during boot? | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Just before entering runlevel 5 | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: remounting it rw ? :P | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Ah, that must be it | 12:13 |
| RST38h | do I need / mounted as rw though? Is it necessary at all? | 12:14 |
| johnx | just mount it as rw straight from boot | 12:14 |
| johnx | you're skipping the fs check anyways, right? | 12:14 |
| johnx | you want /var and /tmp mounted rw at least | 12:14 |
| johnx | and some systems might assume they can write to /etc | 12:15 |
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| RST38h | aha | 12:18 |
| RST38h | but / I can mount ro? | 12:18 |
| johnx | uhm, if you're not writing to it | 12:18 |
| RST38h | I am not | 12:18 |
| johnx | I assume you can count the apps you're running on one hand here :) | 12:18 |
| johnx | yeah, I had some web kiosks setup that way | 12:19 |
| johnx | do you have a separate /var and /tmp? | 12:19 |
| RST38h | yes, and you can have my 3 fingers | 12:19 |
| RST38h | Not at the moment but I can split them off | 12:19 |
| johnx | tmpfs :) | 12:19 |
| RST38h | oh I have tmpfs | 12:19 |
| johnx | so symlink away :) | 12:19 |
| RST38h | aha... | 12:20 |
| johnx | parts of /var might be expected to persist though | 12:20 |
| johnx | so you might have to do some mkdir on every boot | 12:20 |
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| johnx | not really "parts of /var" so much as "directory structures in /var" | 12:21 |
| ShadowJK | do you know how much time jffs2 mounting is taking now? | 12:21 |
| RST38h | a lot | 12:21 |
| RST38h | About 5 seconds | 12:22 |
| RST38h | I do not have MTD or JFFS2 right now, booting from ext2 on an SD | 12:22 |
| ShadowJK | must be rather small fs then? :) | 12:22 |
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| RST38h | yes, it is a tiny fs | 12:22 |
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| Macer | hm | 12:22 |
| RST38h | and a tiny little system | 12:22 |
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| johnx | so you have an ro / and you're using jffs2? | 12:23 |
| johnx | are you usually this masochistic? :P | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's RST38h .. | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:23 |
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| ShadowJK | 512meg jffs2 on my sheevaplug takes minutes to mount... | 12:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am currently using ext2 and planning to make it ro | 12:24 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: easy mer ui any better than the mer one? | 12:24 |
| johnx | you can do squashfs and move back to your mtd | 12:24 |
| Addison | Qwerty! What's up you smoldering volcano of virile manhood?!?!?! *lol* | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | o_O | 12:24 |
| RST38h | johnx: My guess is that as long as / is ro, I can just use ext2 on mtd | 12:24 |
| Macer | it is just the ui right? | 12:24 |
| johnx | RST38h: that's ... an interesting idea | 12:25 |
| Macer | blah. it is another gtk ui. heh. i am going to see about getting qtablet going | 12:25 |
| RST38h | Texrat is eventually becoming a troll =) | 12:26 |
| Macer | hm | 12:28 |
| Macer | nitdroid seems pointless | 12:28 |
| Macer | no sound or bt | 12:28 |
| Macer | would be neet to get a hero rom going on it | 12:29 |
| johnx | wouldn't get you sound or bt, so it's pointless :P | 12:29 |
| RST38h | macer: This HERO ROM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnuCvEoK90c ? | 12:30 |
| Macer | johnx: yah | 12:33 |
| Macer | i agree | 12:33 |
| Macer | RST38h: hahaha | 12:34 |
| Macer | yeah. thats the one :-P | 12:34 |
| Macer | hm | 12:35 |
| RST38h | Well this one you can get working in no time, on your N8x0 | 12:35 |
| Macer | is the nit hardware part of the linux kernel? | 12:35 |
| johnx | what year is that from? | 12:36 |
| Macer | or is it an unavoidablr circumstance to xfer over some maemo module? | 12:36 |
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| johnx | it's not that simple | 12:37 |
| Macer | not as simple as building a module for the hardware? | 12:37 |
| Macer | is it some ip crap? | 12:37 |
| Macer | free and open (hardware not included) | 12:38 |
| Macer | lol | 12:38 |
| Macer | im asking because im curious how hard it would be to get all the hardware working in gentoo or something | 12:38 |
| RST38h | johnx: Could you take a look at http://pastebin.com/m18b42a69 and tell if I am disabling these correctly? | 12:39 |
| Macer | well. let me find the info on installing gentoo on this | 12:40 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...as it happens, I can probably get rid of var completely :) | 12:52 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Oh, shit, you won't believe it | 12:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: I am inserting an SD card from that little ARM system into a normal laptop running Ubuntu | 12:59 |
| RST38h | johnx: going to /media/disk/etc and looking at mtab there | 12:59 |
| RST38h | And getting *the host system* mtab. | 12:59 |
| johnx | they're called symlinks | 13:00 |
| johnx | Macer: just look at deblet to get an idea | 13:01 |
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| johnx | but it boils down to a mix between free/non-free and standard/non-standard | 13:01 |
| johnx | if it was non-free and standard it would be pretty simple | 13:01 |
| johnx | if it was free and non-standard it could be hacked | 13:01 |
| johnx | but it's a little of both | 13:02 |
| lcuk | mornin folks \o | 13:02 |
| slonopotamus | o/ | 13:03 |
| johnx | mornin' lcuk, slonopotamus :) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ohreally? :) | 13:03 |
| RST38h | Yea, that would explain things | 13:04 |
| * lcuk squints @ johnx | 13:04 | |
| lcuk | i think i recognise you | 13:04 |
| johnx | heh :P | 13:04 |
| lcuk | hows it goin | 13:04 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Shit, you are right and I am seeing things | 13:04 |
| johnx | you were pointing me out in pics just the other day | 13:04 |
| johnx | be a shame if you lost your memory since then | 13:04 |
| johnx | RST38h: been there, done that :) | 13:04 |
| lcuk | i have no memory ever | 13:04 |
| RST38h | Root just does not want to become ro | 13:05 |
| * lcuk is a goldfish | 13:05 | |
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| RST38h | Weird | 13:05 |
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| johnx | RST38h: hmm? kernel command line | 13:05 |
| johnx | and check your init scripts | 13:05 |
| RST38h | lcuk: No, we won't feed you for free and adore you | 13:05 |
| johnx | lcuk: how goes it? | 13:05 |
| RST38h | johnx: In the middle of that | 13:05 |
| lcuk | it would be good if i didnt spend about 8 hours coding on freshly installed machine only to reboot it and get in a loop | 13:06 |
| lcuk | with my code stuck in it \@/ | 13:06 |
| johnx | eep | 13:06 |
| lcuk | damn good job winscp stores the files ive been working on in /tmp | 13:06 |
| RST38h | 6 seconds | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: parralelize some things? :P | 13:07 |
| RST38h | Sts: I am too stupid and lazy for that and the system is too feeble | 13:07 |
| johnx | yeah, I bet serializing things would be faster in this case ;) | 13:08 |
| lcuk | disable useless things, like x11 and ridiculous things like drive mounting | 13:08 |
| RST38h | Sts: So, I do it the traditional way, with hammer and sickle | 13:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: x11? Are you joking? :) | 13:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I have disabled NETWORKING two days ago | 13:08 |
| lcuk | google are getting rid of it | 13:08 |
| lcuk | so no lol | 13:08 |
| johnx | yeah, everyone knows news is better :) | 13:08 |
| RST38h | Like, you know, the WHOLE networking | 13:09 |
| lcuk | what are you trying to do? | 13:09 |
| johnx | lcuk: which is why they made their own x server? | 13:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Make it boot in 0 seconds | 13:09 |
| lcuk | boot up before the message self destructs? | 13:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: And still run a few apps afterwards | 13:09 |
| lcuk | johnx, yeah something like that | 13:09 |
| lcuk | heh rst, it all depends on what apps you want to run | 13:10 |
| * lcuk makes it rain on his tablet | 13:10 | |
| Stskeeps | drool? | 13:10 |
| lcuk | heh no | 13:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Throwing money at it? | 13:11 |
| RST38h | Some other liquid? | 13:11 |
| lcuk | no, i got my particle field working | 13:11 |
| RST38h | Ah | 13:11 |
| lcuk | liqstars2 :) | 13:11 |
| RST38h | Virtual liquid =) | 13:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, not that definition then... | 13:11 |
| lcuk | liqflow as kot said | 13:11 |
| lcuk | no lol | 13:12 |
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| johnx | anyways, time for me to get some sleep, or I'll be asleep for half of tomorrow (today...) | 13:19 |
| johnx | 'night all | 13:19 |
| lcuk | gnite johnx \o | 13:20 |
| RST38h | g'night | 13:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | gn | 13:20 |
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| javispedro | 4 tmo posts already, not bad. | 13:23 |
| javispedro | s/posts/threads/ | 13:23 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: 4 tmo threads already, not bad. | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | dare i ask, 4 threads about.. | 13:25 |
| lcuk | or do i know the answer | 13:25 |
| LinuxCode | the answer is 42 | 13:27 |
| lcuk | :O | 13:27 |
| lcuk | i already have an rx-44 i mustv missed out | 13:27 |
| lcuk | hows you today LinuxCode | 13:28 |
| LinuxCode | good, now I foubnd out about gnomes sabayon | 13:29 |
| LinuxCode | what about you ? | 13:29 |
| lcuk | im gettin better | 13:29 |
| lcuk | calmer :) | 13:29 |
| javispedro | lcuk, about the rx-51 photos | 13:30 |
| LinuxCode | you werent doing good ? | 13:30 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> it would be good if i didnt spend about 8 hours coding on freshly installed machine only to reboot it and get in a loop | 13:31 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 13:31 |
| lcuk | javispedro, what about em | 13:31 |
| LinuxCode | ooops | 13:31 |
| LinuxCode | whit happens | 13:31 |
| javispedro | too many | 13:31 |
| javispedro | and more to come | 13:31 |
| lcuk | javispedro, inside info? | 13:32 |
| javispedro | all of the thread openers with some lame excuse like "oh, I didn't say any of the other 300 posts about it and though I was the first one posting this COMPLETELY MAEMO RELATED LEAK in a COMPLETELY MAEMO RELATED SITE" | 13:32 |
| lcuk | or just the collective geek wank about the blurry pics | 13:32 |
| javispedro | s/say/saw/ | 13:32 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: all of the thread openers with some lame excuse like "oh, I didn't saw any of the other 300 posts about it and though I was the first one posting this COMPLETELY MAEMO RELATED LEAK in a COMPLETELY MAEMO RELATED SITE" | 13:33 |
| lcuk | but you are the same | 13:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 13:33 |
| LinuxCode | ;-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOo | 13:33 |
| LinuxCode | pix! | 13:33 |
| LinuxCode | omg | 13:33 |
| LinuxCode | there will be a device | 13:33 |
| LinuxCode | it better be linux, or people will die painfully | 13:33 |
| * lcuk passes linuxcode the tissues | 13:34 | |
| LinuxCode | if its symbian, I will never buy a Nokia device again...ever | 13:34 |
| lcuk | if its not linux, it wouldnt be a maemo device would it | 13:34 |
| aquatix | hm, is the only way to change the system font to alter /etc/fonts/local.conf? | 13:34 |
| lcuk | aquatix, easier than changing fonts in liqbase ;) | 13:35 |
| lcuk | cant you change the gtk theme | 13:35 |
| * aquatix would like to make the default font just a bit smaller | 13:35 | |
| RST38h | LinuxCode: It is going to run Android | 13:35 |
| aquatix | without changing the theme | 13:35 |
| lcuk | hold it a bit further away from your face | 13:35 |
| aquatix | lcuk: oh, or editing the theme file? | 13:35 |
| aquatix | good point | 13:35 |
| lcuk | humans have macro zoom for this purpose | 13:35 |
| RST38h | LinuxCode: Several real important former Nokia employees said it will run Android | 13:35 |
| lcuk | aquatix, that might work too | 13:35 |
| aquatix | lcuk: :P | 13:35 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, hmmm | 13:36 |
| RST38h | Because Maemo5 is not ready for the release | 13:36 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, if its an open device :) whats to stop that | 13:36 |
| aquatix | RST38h: i bet on slackware | 13:36 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, that is the issue mate | 13:36 |
| aquatix | didn't nokia buy slackware recently? | 13:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aquatix: there's a package of the default themes in 14/12pt sizes on some site somewhere | 13:36 |
| lcuk | amigaOS! | 13:36 |
| RST38h | aquatix: Well, it may run Androidn onSlackware! | 13:36 |
| LinuxCode | open and gps and mobile dont go hand in hand | 13:36 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: oh, neat | 13:36 |
| javispedro | it will run PalmOS. end of story. | 13:36 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, of course it does | 13:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: has it got a 68000 for that? =) | 13:37 |
| aquatix | javispedro: garnett or webos? :) | 13:37 |
| aquatix | maemo on garnett \o/ | 13:37 |
| RST38h | Oh wait, late PalmOS devices actually EMULATED 68000... | 13:37 |
| lcuk | :D if it does have a 68k, amigaos is deffo on :D | 13:37 |
| javispedro | RST38h, true. | 13:37 |
| RST38h | And ran the whole OS on it... | 13:37 |
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| RST38h | And prevented developers from coding for ARM... | 13:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, havent you been working on a 68k assembler | 13:37 |
| RST38h | javis: So, the way I see it, Android is like modern PalmOS :) | 13:38 |
| javispedro | RST38h, they used 68k code in the same way Android currently uses Java bytecode. | 13:38 |
| javispedro | heh | 13:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I have been working on so much crap lately... | 13:38 |
| javispedro | indeed | 13:38 |
| javispedro | cause most PalmSource employees now happen to work for Google... | 13:38 |
| RST38h | javis: May it eventually meet the same fate... | 13:38 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, deep down I hope you are wrong | 13:38 |
| LinuxCode | but that is because I know nothing about android | 13:38 |
| RST38h | LinuxCode: But you KNOW I am right, true? | 13:38 |
| RST38h | ;) | 13:39 |
| LinuxCode | Id rather see a device that is fully open to any platform | 13:39 |
| LinuxCode | mer, fedora-arm, ubuntu-arm, maemo, whatever | 13:39 |
| RST38h | Well, you can still buy an Altair 8080 | 13:39 |
| RST38h | It is kinda retro but gfully open | 13:39 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, whats the arch of it ? | 13:39 |
| LinuxCode | arm ? | 13:39 |
| RST38h | And it has no mobile part, so AT&T and TMobile have no control over it | 13:39 |
| LinuxCode | ohh | 13:39 |
| RST38h | LinuxCode: Sorry, Intel... :) | 13:39 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: hm, only seem to find http://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/12pt+&+14pt+Themes+for+OS+2006?content=44090 | 13:40 |
| LinuxCode | well, see, Id like a 3g able device | 13:40 |
| lcuk | what about 3d dongle modems - the telecoms people have no control over the greater computer | 13:40 |
| LinuxCode | then I could toss my mobile phone | 13:40 |
| lcuk | 3g | 13:40 |
| LinuxCode | and just have one device I car around | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: nokia n810 qualifies for that though | 13:40 |
| LinuxCode | cart* | 13:40 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Only if you put the dongle into a condom before plugging it in | 13:40 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, for what mate ? | 13:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | aquatix: look on maemo.lancode.de | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: mer, fedora-arm, ubuntu-arm, maemo, .. | 13:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, mmm its usb, can a usb dongle really get that deep into the machine | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | we've had some darn insane ports over time | 13:41 |
| Addison | Hey Javis, any chance you could get your big brain cooking on how to get Garnet to read a java file from an SD card? I know your brain is huge. :) | 13:41 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, that be good news then | 13:41 |
| aquatix | qwerty12_N810: oh cool, thanks! | 13:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Of course it can , the closed software is viral! | 13:41 |
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| LinuxCode | I think many more people would like such a device | 13:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, which bit of the software, its a modem | 13:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So you want to keep your open Linux system closed to closed software hence the condom | 13:41 |
| LinuxCode | no manufacturer would be wrong with creating a device that supports that | 13:41 |
| lcuk | talk via AT commands dont you | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: one of the best things about maemo is that you can get rid of it | 13:42 |
| lcuk | or modern equiv | 13:42 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, agreed | 13:42 |
| javispedro | Addison, what?? The problem is that the IBM JVM doesn't boot, probably because it depends on PalmOne libraries or some other unknown thing | 13:42 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, Id be very happy if the device kept a kernel or something | 13:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Seriously, if it is a USB dongle, you talk via USB messages that MAY (but do not have to) encapsulate AT serial protocol | 13:42 |
| LinuxCode | if there needs to be closed source rubbish in there, so be it | 13:42 |
| LinuxCode | as long as I can run my own distro on top | 13:43 |
| LinuxCode | not ideal, but I could live with it | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: any nokia tablet qualifies for that really :P | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | as in, 770, n800, n810(w) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | and as i can see, rx-51 :P | 13:44 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, gps ? | 13:44 |
| lcuk | the problem i have seen with all none maemo distros is end to end support, as much as we moan, most folks still have maemo on their devices | 13:44 |
| LinuxCode | there was always an issue with that no ? | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: not really, if you can stand a blob, sure.. | 13:44 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, I have maemo | 13:44 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, it does what I want | 13:44 |
| LinuxCode | for now, anyway | 13:44 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, can mer use the gps backend ? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/N810_GPS | 13:46 |
| * LinuxCode looks | 13:46 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: When all the open source and developer moaning is abstracted away, Maemo is still a pleasant piece of software to use, as a plain user | 13:46 |
| LinuxCode | woah! | 13:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Makes a decent PDA | 13:47 |
| lcuk | yes indeed, makes a decent house pooter | 13:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Yep | 13:47 |
| lcuk | just something you can pickup and play with | 13:47 |
| Addison | Sorry Javis, I'm being a tool. I just don't like giving up on something important, that's all. | 13:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So there is no reason to ditch it | 13:47 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, main thing for me is syncability between gpe and evolution | 13:47 |
| lcuk | :) i know this | 13:47 |
| LinuxCode | that is the best part of the N810 | 13:47 |
| LinuxCode | for me anyway | 13:47 |
| lcuk | i also like the positioning of mer | 13:47 |
| lcuk | which should retain the great aspects we enjoy | 13:48 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, I should dual boot mate | 13:48 |
| LinuxCode | thanks for that | 13:48 |
| lcuk | but give developers a bit of a better framework behind the scenes | 13:48 |
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| javispedro | LinuxCode, if that sync only worked for repeating events... or todos... | 13:48 |
| LinuxCode | javispedro, ? | 13:49 |
| LinuxCode | javispedro, care to elaborate on that ? | 13:49 |
| * Stskeeps wonders about libgpsbt and libgpsmgr | 13:49 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: do you know what the big chance between the gregale ones and the diablo ones were? support for N810 GPS? | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | change | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder wtf they closed sourced them | 13:49 |
| javispedro | I already did on tmo, but... repeting events spanning dst changes results in half the datebook shifting 1 hour each sync | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | Stskeeps, gpd chipset maker = nazi | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | gps | 13:50 |
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| LinuxCode | afaik | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | LinuxCode: nah, it's not that bad | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | k | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | javispedro, what are you using to sync ? | 13:51 |
| javispedro | gpesyncd | 13:51 |
| javispedro | (=Opensync) | 13:51 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 13:51 |
| LinuxCode | yeh I use that | 13:51 |
| LinuxCode | which frontend for opensync ? | 13:51 |
| javispedro | frontend? :P | 13:51 |
| LinuxCode | yes | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | opensync are libs | 13:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I would guess so. The changelog suggests no other reason. | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | oh, you have the changelog? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | i should read that | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | so what are you using to actually sync | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | why didn't i think of that.. | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | msynctool ? | 13:52 |
| * Stskeeps gives qwerty12_N810 a cookie | 13:52 | |
| LinuxCode | multisync ? | 13:52 |
| javispedro | multisync-gui | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | k | 13:52 |
| javispedro | I gave a look a few months at what I believe is the source to that, and saw a few things | 13:53 |
| javispedro | it uses XML, | 13:53 |
| javispedro | (vdate) | 13:53 |
| javispedro | Evo uses some custom fields, | 13:54 |
| javispedro | the gpesyncd plugin fails to fill them | 13:54 |
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| javispedro | and chaos ensues. | 13:54 |
| javispedro | e.g. I remember that repeating event end dates are not synced. | 13:54 |
| * lcuk wonder show sketched calendar entries can be repeated | 13:55 | |
| LinuxCode | still no pipe symbol on the rx51 | 13:55 |
| LinuxCode | that is soooo annoying! | 13:55 |
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| LinuxCode | its a linux device...damnit....!!! | 13:56 |
| LinuxCode | pipe is a must | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | remap the keyboard, it's a linux device...damnit...!!! | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:56 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 13:56 |
| LinuxCode | meh! | 13:56 |
| LinuxCode | then I lose another character | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure you can live without the euro | 13:56 |
| lcuk | apt-get install pipe-key | 13:56 |
| * javispedro can't wait to see how the spanish layout is | 13:56 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, I made a key in the terminal | 13:57 |
| LinuxCode | but then you have to bend up...to touch it | 13:57 |
| LinuxCode | annoying | 13:57 |
| lcuk | sure, to type a | key in your apps, just crack open a console, type this 8 line combo, and bish bash bosh! | 13:57 |
| lcuk | a pipe key | 13:57 |
| lcuk | (or you have to reformat your machine) | 13:57 |
| LinuxCode | they could have made a fn/shift key for £/$/€ | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | then free up a key for | | 13:58 |
| lcuk | normal users dont use | | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | normal users dont use $ | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 13:58 |
| lcuk | sure they do | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | *cough* | 13:58 |
| lcuk | how could they tell their mates how much the shoes cost on ebay | 13:58 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 13:59 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders who could be convinced to do a open implementation of liblocation | 13:59 | |
| lcuk | did they come back with answer then sts? | 13:59 |
| * LinuxCode writes a letter to the Chancellor of the Exchequer | 13:59 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: not yet | 13:59 |
| lcuk | "pelase make currency symbols |" | 13:59 |
| javispedro | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | 13:59 |
| LinuxCode | Dear sir, please remove £, we require the key for a vertical tab ! Thank you | 13:59 |
| javispedro | they did it. | 13:59 |
| javispedro | Portuguese/Spanish : include "nokia_vndr/rx-51(arrows_2btns)" | 14:00 |
| lcuk | LinuxCode, noooo you must get them to use | for currency | 14:00 |
| javispedro | :( | 14:00 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, hahah | 14:00 |
| lcuk | i was working my ass off for |3.50 an hour! | 14:00 |
| lcuk | robbing bastards | 14:00 |
| LinuxCode | I paid my neighbour | 1 | 14:00 |
| LinuxCode | command not found | 14:00 |
| LinuxCode | rofl | 14:00 |
| lcuk | gotta go | 14:01 |
| javispedro | wtf? only english and polish have all the 4 arrow keys. | 14:01 |
| LinuxCode | k later | 14:01 |
| LinuxCode | wow! 5MP cam! | 14:01 |
| qwerty12_N810 | With the complaints about the N810 keyboard, it's hard to believe that they could think of a more retarded layout :( | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: in practice it wasn't that bad though | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | n810 keyboard looks good but kills my fingers in practice | 14:02 |
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| javispedro | three key presses for atilde now | 14:06 |
| RST38h | qwerty: the layout may suck but the keys look decent and there are now real arrow buttons | 14:07 |
| RST38h | javis: who needs atilde? :) | 14:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | arrow buttons are a plus, indeed (I miss the d-pad on my N800), but the layout is kinda letting it down for me. I mean: @ on a space bar. Really... | 14:09 |
| javispedro | waaaaaah... how easily could they have put at least another column of keys... | 14:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: the key is to hold N810 in both hands, on the sides, and type with thumbs, horizontally | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: too fat fingers for the upper margin | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Sts: this way the typing still sucks, but at least you are not getting capral tunnel from trying to bend your hands | 14:14 |
| RST38h | Sts: Can't do much about that one... | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i should become underweight again | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | i was much more attractive back thne | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Sts: At least in your fingers =) | 14:15 |
| Stskeeps | not that it matters anymore since i'm getting married, but.. :) | 14:15 |
| RST38h | Or get a thimble | 14:15 |
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| javispedro | (Angle < 0) how can this return FALSE when "short Angle" = -32768, start brainstorming for me :) | 14:18 |
| javispedro | specially only doing that when -O1, and not when -O0 | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: solar flares! | 14:33 |
| javispedro | >clickety< >click< there Stskeeps, your gitourius account has now all that free space you asked for! :D | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:35 |
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| RST38h | javis: it may be implicitly extendeding it to int, without extending sign | 14:38 |
| RST38h | javis: Try ((signed short)Angle < 0) | 14:39 |
| RST38h | Could someone tell me why EA Linux mounts / as rw even although I explicitely told it to mount it ro in fstab??? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | rc item somewhere? | 14:40 |
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| javispedro | RST38h, thanks, but didn't work. it seems like it's optimizing out the whole if () { }, but it does not warn out why. | 14:42 |
| javispedro | will try again later, to see if solar activity has gone down | 14:42 |
| RST38h | Ohhh | 14:42 |
| RST38h | You have not got any ";" there? ;) | 14:42 |
| RST38h | VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). <=== Could somebody tell me where this message is coming from? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: kernel | 14:43 |
| javispedro | unless -O1 affects the parser, I guess not ;) | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Who exactly is mounting root? | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: And how can I make it mount root in ro mode? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | it should by standard, afaik | 14:43 |
| javispedro | "ro" kernel parameter | 14:43 |
| RST38h | javis: really? =)))) | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Thanks folks :) | 14:43 |
| javispedro | lemme check | 14:44 |
| javispedro | yes, debian lenny puts "ro" by default on grub cmdline | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:44 |
| javispedro | gbye | 14:45 |
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| RST38h | yesss, it worked | 14:46 |
| RST38h | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 | 14:46 |
| RST38h | /dev/root / ext2 ro 0 0 | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | what are you trying to hack? :P | 14:46 |
| RST38h | Sts: Trying to set up a tiny super fast Linux config for an embedded consumer device | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:47 |
| * RST38h is sorry for all the stupid questions, he has not done this before | 14:47 | |
| Stskeeps | meh, you're probably better off in here than other places. | 14:47 |
| RST38h | What is the difference between rootfs and /dev/root anyway??? | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Sts: So I figured... | 14:47 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo AStorm | 14:51 |
| AStorm | hi | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | re pulseaudio on n8x0, it compiles and all now but segfaults cos it is probably not compatible with latest PA API :P | 14:52 |
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| RST38h | Shit, now I really want n900 | 16:36 |
| LinuxCode | why ? | 16:37 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 16:37 |
| RST38h | seen the images | 16:37 |
| * LinuxCode can think of many reasons to want | 16:37 | |
| RST38h | can no longer claim that it may end up as pos | 16:37 |
| RST38h | bulgarian article on n900 with some new images. | 16:38 |
| RST38h | no new info though | 16:39 |
| cos^ | url? | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | my n810's gps just guided me to my hotel in bremen | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | who said it wasnt practical :) | 16:40 |
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| RST38h | http://www.mobilebulgaria.com/news/view.php?id=13251 | 16:40 |
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| LinuxCode | http://techvixen.com/blog/nokia-n900-rx-51-new-tabletsmart-phone-pictures-and-specification-revealed/ | 16:44 |
| LinuxCode | looks like the bulgarian guy stole the pics from there | 16:44 |
| RST38h | and these guys stole pictures from indinesian guy | 16:44 |
| RST38h | indonesian | 16:44 |
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| LinuxCode | lol | 16:46 |
| LinuxCode | probably | 16:46 |
| LinuxCode | the guy stealing the device, is a moron | 16:46 |
| RST38h | nice view of top buttons though | 16:46 |
| LinuxCode | he didnt scribble out the imei | 16:47 |
| lcuk | so, are nokia actually going to send out lawyers in ninja suits | 16:47 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, naaa i bet not | 16:47 |
| RST38h | so we have got the power, what looks like +-, a camera shutter, and some little square flush with the surface | 16:47 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, this happened with the N810 too.... I recall ...leakage | 16:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: There is typhoon is south east asia right now | 16:47 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, hahah | 16:48 |
| lcuk | ahhh, helicopters grounded | 16:48 |
| LinuxCode | that is a bit further north mate ;-p | 16:48 |
| lcuk | i wouldnt fly a helicopter anytime | 16:48 |
| lcuk | and certainly not near the hudson :( | 16:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: so my guess is the guy still has got time to prepare a noose and find some soap to ease the experience | 16:48 |
| lcuk | i dont really want to know, but why soap | 16:48 |
| lcuk | and how do you know such things | 16:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: to make the noose slicker. | 16:49 |
| * RST38h knows lots of mostly useless things | 16:49 | |
| RST38h | Although you never know when this stuff can come useful, don't you? =) | 16:49 |
| lcuk | hopefully, that is totally useless to you especially | 16:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Do you think knowing that VAX instructions may reach 56 bytes is of any use to me? | 16:50 |
| aquatix | i guess this was already posted here? http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/ | 16:50 |
| lcuk | :O holy crap aquatix, no | 16:51 |
| aquatix | ah yes, that techvixen.com link has more info | 16:51 |
| * aquatix shouldn't work so much | 16:51 | |
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| * lcuk wants wifi to go faster | 16:56 | |
| lcuk | its copying 100mb over it and its taking an age | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | jeremiah, ping | 16:59 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Are both endpoints using wifi? | 17:01 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:01 |
| lcuk | its not normally this slow tho | 17:01 |
| RST38h | wire one endpoint | 17:01 |
| RST38h | or at least move the endpoints apart, relative to the ap | 17:01 |
| lcuk | not practical, one is tablet, other has wired port going to internet | 17:01 |
| RST38h | you can still move the tab;et | 17:02 |
| lcuk | its a new experience | 17:02 |
| lcuk | yeah i could | 17:02 |
| lcuk | RST38h, it used to be so easy - with the adhoc, the connection was stable and reliable | 17:03 |
| lcuk | now there are 2 connections that might break | 17:03 |
| RST38h | never used adhoc... | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | but it works via ap as well, you just have to keep endpoints from interfering | 17:05 |
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| RST38h | they won't break connection (they don't for me at least), but the speed suffers | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | adhoc worked better than this or any other wireless ive seen | 17:08 |
| lcuk | it did the job for me, but i have requirements for other wifi things now | 17:08 |
| lcuk | ill go move the router from its faraday cage | 17:09 |
| cos^ | what are the best games for maemo currently? 4.5h train trip today.. | 17:18 |
| lcuk | if you havent played yet | 17:26 |
| lcuk | numpty physics :) | 17:27 |
| lcuk | is the new one coming out? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | Crimson Fields are pretty decent | 17:35 |
| RST38h | And OpenTTD if you can figure out how to play | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | how do i know what theme i am using | 17:44 |
| lcuk | im looking in /usr/share/themes and i know the names of some of them | 17:44 |
| lcuk | but ive got some themes that i dont recognist | 17:44 |
| lcuk | e | 17:44 |
| lcuk | that i would like to remove | 17:44 |
| lcuk | but i dont know whether it will cause heartache | 17:44 |
| aquatix | lcuk: do a dpkg -S on the files? | 17:45 |
| lcuk | of course not, what do you take me for, a unix admin! is that all i have to do? | 17:46 |
| lcuk | mind you, that would tell me which package, not whether its in use | 17:46 |
| aquatix | well, at least it will show you what package it came from | 17:46 |
| aquatix | true | 17:46 |
| aquatix | you can just look in the "Change theme" dialog to see what you are using right? | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | Package `/usr/share/themes/stuff/index.theme' is not installed and no info is available. | 17:47 |
| lcuk | i can get a theme name yeah | 17:47 |
| lcuk | and i can see that folder | 17:47 |
| lcuk | that part is ok | 17:47 |
| lcuk | its the other folders | 17:47 |
| lcuk | that i want to remove | 17:47 |
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| lcuk | but idk whether it was me removing them yesterday that caused bootloop | 17:48 |
| aquatix | lcuk: oh, you are worried about possible dependencies of your current theme? | 17:48 |
| aquatix | hm | 17:49 |
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| lopz | hola | 17:55 |
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| * sp3000 giggles at http://ec.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/macbooktablet1.jpg | 18:04 | |
| sp3000 | can you spot the fail? | 18:04 |
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| aquatix | ouch | 18:05 |
| aquatix | that has to hurt | 18:05 |
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| * RST38h can't believe that if everything goes as supposed, he will have a new mobile device by october | 18:05 | |
| RST38h | One that can make phone calls and play most video files without stutter | 18:06 |
| aquatix | my wallet cringes already | 18:06 |
| sp3000 | I'd like to see the sw filter that figures out what the purpose of the thumb is, too ;) | 18:06 |
| aquatix | now i have to buy an rx51 along my new HTC Hero | 18:06 |
| RST38h | What would you need Hero for? | 18:06 |
| aquatix | sp3000: the border is too thin to use it this way indeed | 18:06 |
| aquatix | you can't rest your thumb | 18:07 |
| aquatix | RST38h: make calls? ;) | 18:07 |
| * aquatix rather likes it | 18:07 | |
| RST38h | N9x0 will make calls | 18:07 |
| wazd | aquatix: RX-51 is a phone, halo | 18:07 |
| aquatix | yeah, apparently | 18:07 |
| aquatix | i noticed | 18:07 |
| aol | I'm pretty sure it wont be Nxxx | 18:07 |
| aol | C or X | 18:07 |
| wazd | aol: no, it will be N for sure | 18:08 |
| StsN810_ | it says n-series | 18:08 |
| aquatix | N42 | 18:08 |
| StsN810_ | NHHGTTG. | 18:08 |
| aquatix | aka The Answer | 18:08 |
| wazd | I'd bet N1 or something | 18:08 |
| aquatix | StsN810_: *grin* | 18:08 |
| StsN810_ | N00 | 18:08 |
| aquatix | N0? | 18:08 |
| wazd | N00Bs :D | 18:08 |
| aquatix | the n0kia | 18:08 |
| aol | right. it does say it | 18:09 |
| aol | sorry :O) | 18:09 |
| aol | all n series phones are N00 when they are born | 18:09 |
| aol | (prototypes say N00) | 18:09 |
| RST38h | It will be called MAEMOPHONE :) | 18:09 |
| RST38h | And the Chinese knockoff will be labelled "Nookia" =) | 18:10 |
| wazd | I'd really name it N1 to set flagship status :) | 18:10 |
| aol | Nokla | 18:10 |
| StsN810_ | nookia maemafone | 18:10 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: nokla maomefon | 18:10 |
| aquatix | wazd: ick :) | 18:10 |
| StsN810_ | memophone. | 18:11 |
| aquatix | heh, that's more like it | 18:11 |
| wazd | aquatix: I'm a chineese copywriter in my free time :D | 18:11 |
| StsN810_ | so horribly designed all your calls end up on voicemail | 18:11 |
| wazd | talking about apple tablet, I doub't that it will use iPhone OS | 18:12 |
| wazd | iPhone OS is too restricted to resize and stuff | 18:12 |
| lcuk | it will use the os no doubt, but maybe an altered presentation layer | 18:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: It will be the iPhone OS | 18:13 |
| StsN810_ | i hope they do. ultimate suck. | 18:13 |
| RST38h | wazd: You are mistaking UI for the OS | 18:13 |
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| RST38h | wazd: All Apple has to do is add nother bunch of "toolkits" for the tablet. They have got so many APIs by now that adding a few more won't make a difference | 18:13 |
| wazd | RST38h: you think it will be ARM? | 18:13 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Either ARM or Atom | 18:15 |
| RST38h | wazd: My guess is that they will be very inclined to use Atom | 18:15 |
| wazd | In fact it's simple marketing, even if it will be sold for $400 under the contract, it wont be such a mass device as an iPhone -> much much less developers. So it's really bad idea to make brand new platform without the software | 18:16 |
| wazd | And I really doubt that iTablet will appear in near future after all. Too blurry niche | 18:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: Neither you nor I know | 18:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: I can comment a little bit on the engineering side, knowing how this stuff is designed, but their marketing strategy is a complete mistery | 18:19 |
| wazd | capacitive screen is awful for handwritting input. If they will add magnet layer from WACOM for designers and stuff - this thing will cost like a bentley | 18:19 |
| RST38h | You do not even know if it will do handwriting | 18:20 |
| StsN810_ | newton handwriting? | 18:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: tablet without handwriting -> lolz :) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Notice how Apple *never* follows the same marketing strategy as the other guys | 18:20 |
| RST38h | So we have no idea how they are gonna position the iTablet | 18:20 |
| wazd | RST38h: I think it's one of the main tablet features - to note something quickly | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Rumors say that it is going to be "close and personal" iTunes video player | 18:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: To you but not necessarily to apple | 18:21 |
| wazd | RST38h: too expensive for such a toy | 18:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: You do not know the price either | 18:21 |
| RST38h | wazd: BTW, I am pretty sure those metrosexual apple fans will swallow anything up to $600 | 18:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, an iPhone costs bout $700. You can roughly calculate :) | 18:22 |
| RST38h | wazd: They may ship it with Apple BT keyboard and call it a netbook then | 18:22 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can imagine collaboration with wacom, but doubtly | 18:22 |
| chx | up to $600? | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | chx: for a tablet, yes | 18:22 |
| chx | you underestimate the reality bending force coming from Cupertino | 18:23 |
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| chx | havent read the recent news that pretty much all $1000+ computers are now Apple? | 18:23 |
| RST38h | chx: above $600 you would have to call it a laptop | 18:23 |
| RST38h | tablet is not a computer | 18:23 |
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| wazd | If I was Steve Jobs (which I'm not, I repeat :D ) - I'd sell my soul to work with Wacom | 18:23 |
| chx | Look, Apple produces fashion items. Yes you can call on it but most importantly it's a fashion item | 18:23 |
| chx | Would you judge a Versace suit based on the price? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | chx: yep | 18:24 |
| chx | Dont be silly | 18:24 |
| RST38h | chx: You miss one little thing | 18:24 |
| chx | What? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | chx: You are absolutely right about the fashion part of course | 18:24 |
| wazd | chx: in our world, it's the pice that makes things cool | 18:24 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you are russian aren't you? or do you just live there | 18:24 |
| RST38h | chx: But for every gadget there is a typical price range | 18:24 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it is complicated | 18:24 |
| chx | but they , again , do not sell gadgets | 18:25 |
| lcuk | ok, but are you a "use a pencil, vs 600million space pen" | 18:25 |
| RST38h | chx: So, those poor suckers would not have a problem paying twice the price but paying thrice the price is gonna be a problem | 18:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: definitely so | 18:25 |
| wazd | has anybody seen dity cheap thing that looked cool? :) | 18:25 |
| StsN810_ | q5? :P | 18:25 |
| lcuk | yeah - pebbles on a beach are cheap | 18:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yes. | 18:26 |
| lcuk | and useful | 18:26 |
| RST38h | wazd: Have you been introduced to the beautiful world of SCREWDRIVERS? :) | 18:26 |
| RST38h | ] | 18:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: It has some faults too, to be honest | 18:26 |
| StsN810_ | obviously | 18:26 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: especially that SD CARD sign :D | 18:26 |
| RST38h | chx: So, to sell iTablet at >$600, Apple would just have to call it a different name | 18:26 |
| wazd | Nice things are expensive not because they are expensive to produce or something | 18:27 |
| RST38h | chx: Call it a notebook, and your range suddenly goes to $2000 | 18:27 |
| aquatix | a personal entertainment and mobile computing device? | 18:27 |
| aquatix | but something more terse | 18:27 |
| wazd | They are expensive cause they need to stand out of cheap ugly things | 18:27 |
| wazd | that's the market now | 18:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: One market, anyway | 18:28 |
| wazd | but soon we'll change it! :D | 18:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: But have you seen BBK PMPs? | 18:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope | 18:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: (aside from the fact that touch buttons make them unusable) they are pretty beautiful | 18:28 |
| RST38h | a moment | 18:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: I run in fear when I hear BBK :D | 18:28 |
| RST38h | wazd: why? it isn't bad | 18:29 |
| wazd | RST38h: they even bought some design in artlebedev studio as I remember | 18:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://www.pcmag.ru/guide/detail.php?ID=9044 | 18:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: The edge is aluminum | 18:30 |
| wazd | RST38h: but UI design mostly | 18:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yes, and there is a story about it :) | 18:30 |
| RST38h | wazd: But their V3 PMP is absolutely beautiful little object | 18:30 |
| RST38h | dirt cheap too | 18:31 |
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| wazd | RST38h: well, I was always telling that two rectangles is not the design :) | 18:32 |
| wazd | RST38h: but yep, it's not the worst PMP around :) | 18:32 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I bet they've stolen it somewhere, cause the font is wrong | 18:33 |
| RST38h | of course | 18:33 |
| RST38h | but it is normal - they source these device from elsewhere in china | 18:33 |
| RST38h | devices | 18:33 |
| RST38h | so you can have both cheap and beautiful | 18:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it's not that beautiful like "wow, oh my god" :) | 18:35 |
| RST38h | neither is iphone | 18:36 |
| wert613 | 'ello everybody. | 18:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: in iPhone you can see a designers touch in every stroke | 18:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: even speaker grill is symetrical | 18:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: You can see Steve Jobs with a huge toilet plunger standing behind the designer =) | 18:37 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yes, sometimes Jonathan starts to fuck up, like with iPhone firstgen's 3.5mm hole, but mostly it's very cool | 18:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: That was Steve going out to get some coffee | 18:38 |
| wazd | RST38h: I bet Steve has nothing on industrial design | 18:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: He does. | 18:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: To confirm that, you should simply look at the whole lineage of Apple products starting with Apple][ | 18:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: Their stuff was *always* very carefully designed | 18:39 |
| wert613 | The aesthetic beauty of the iPhone doesn't carry completely to the iTouch, if only because the loss of thickness gives the back an odd curve. | 18:39 |
| wert613 | IMO | 18:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, he can tell what's hot and what's not, but I bet Jonathan Ive does everything by himself and the crew | 18:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: And just in case you do not believe it is Steve, look at Quadras (produced when Steve was gone) and compare them with NeXTs | 18:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: steve is Art-director :) | 18:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, Steve is the CEO, big cheeses do not do actual design | 18:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: But he appears to control the process very tightly | 18:40 |
| cos^ | is there any c64 emulator with virtual keyboard available yet? | 18:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: anyway, the iPhone is the only thing I like in current Apple lineup | 18:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: everything else is very boring | 18:41 |
| RST38h | wazd: Keyboards are nice, aren't they? | 18:42 |
| RST38h | and the MacMini/AppleTV | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | Talk is hilarious. | 18:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: MacMini/ATV are super boring :D | 18:42 |
| GAN800 | Capacitive and OLED. | 18:42 |
| RST38h | GAN: Don't scare them off =) | 18:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: wired kb is fine | 18:43 |
| GAN800 | We already covered the touchscreen and LCD after the first kernel release. . . | 18:43 |
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| RST38h | wazdL BT kb looks just the same minus the numeric keypad and the wire | 18:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm really shocked why they haven't made same wired keyboard but wireless | 18:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: No idea. I like the look of both, but they both suck as keyboards | 18:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, it has a laptop layout which suck | 18:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: The old clicking IBM keyboard is my ideal | 18:44 |
| wazd | GAN800: I think it would be OLED too :) | 18:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: Very comfortable to type on, and you can use it as a blunt weapon in a pinch | 18:44 |
| wazd | GAN800: cause I can't see the screen :) | 18:44 |
| RST38h | GAN: wazd says the screen behaves like an OLED in direct light at these photos | 18:45 |
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| GAN800 | wazd, it's not.o | 18:45 |
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| GAN800 | Sony transflective panel. | 18:45 |
| wert613 | RST38h: I've got one, I love the typewriter-esque sounds and heavy-gague steel. | 18:45 |
| wazd | GAN800: then where's the screen? :D | 18:46 |
| RST38h | wert613: At my old job, we bought a bunch of them when UMD.EDU was selling surplus equipment | 18:46 |
| wazd | GAN800: it should be clearly visible unless it has opaque coating on it | 18:46 |
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| wert613 | RST38h: Put them with the shotguns in case of zombie attack? | 18:47 |
| GAN800 | wazd, where's the front-facing camera? | 18:47 |
| GAN800 | Can barely see that and it's well distinguished. | 18:47 |
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| RST38h | wert613: Well, you can use them to resolve technical disputes between software engineers as well =) | 18:47 |
| GAN800 | wazd, photos are too poot to try to draw those conslusions. | 18:48 |
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| GAN800 | s/poot/poor/ | 18:48 |
| infobot | GAN800 meant: wazd, photos are too poor to try to draw those conslusions. | 18:48 |
| wert613 | RST38h: Nyehehe | 18:48 |
| RST38h | GAN: Question | 18:48 |
| GAN800 | Besides, we HAVE the LCD model # | 18:48 |
| RST38h | GAN: At the top side of the device, there is something that looks like a shutter button and close to it there is a little rectangle flush with the surface | 18:48 |
| RST38h | GAN: Any idea what it is? | 18:49 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, just saw that. Weird. | 18:49 |
| GAN800 | Power? | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Light sensor? | 18:49 |
| RST38h | Definitely NOT power | 18:49 |
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| wert613 | RST38h: I see it now, the Mjöllnir of the IT God | 18:50 |
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| GAN800 | Light sensor seems unlikely there. | 18:50 |
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| RST38h | wert613: I thought that was the original SUN optical mouse? | 18:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: it shows how many frames left in camera :D | 18:51 |
| RST38h | wert613: You could direct it at users who scattered thinking that it was a Deadly Red Laser (tm) | 18:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: analog :D | 18:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: =)~~~~ | 18:51 |
| wert613 | RST38h: Perhaps a motorola brick? | 18:51 |
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| RST38h | wert: Naah, too specialized | 18:51 |
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| wert613 | ;PPP | 18:52 |
| Mek | infrared port? | 18:52 |
| wazd | you know what, I think it's really black coating on the screen | 18:53 |
| GAN800 | wazd, looks like the 5800 screen. | 18:53 |
| wazd | http://i26.tinypic.com/1zvfl2g.jpg <- look at the scratch top - left from nokia logo | 18:53 |
| GAN800 | Mek, I'd buy that. | 18:53 |
| wert613 | RST38h: You could always swing one of those little brown mac pizmos | 18:54 |
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| lcuk | wazd, that looks like someone tried to slide a finger in to remove | 18:54 |
| lcuk | the cover | 18:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: yep | 18:54 |
| lcuk | but then put it back for the pics | 18:54 |
| RST38h | Macs are for graphics designers | 18:54 |
| wazd | lcuk: so it's the cover | 18:54 |
| * lcuk noticed that | 18:54 | |
| wert613 | Ah specialised wepons | 18:54 |
| wert613 | weapons* | 18:54 |
| lcuk | it looks like a temp delivery cover | 18:55 |
| wert613 | I see a FPS forming... | 18:55 |
| * lcuk sees rain | 18:55 | |
| wazd | GAN800: so you can't see front facing camera :P | 18:55 |
| lcuk | and universes | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Oh well, we will know soon enough | 18:55 |
| * lcuk rages at his bastard computer | 18:55 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: There should be a camera and a light sensor. The one is on top, the other is somewhere at the face | 18:56 |
| wert613 | RST38h: The tech guys against the world, also known as "destroy all aliens" | 18:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: light sensor can't be on the side | 18:56 |
| RST38h | wert: Why stop at aliens? | 18:56 |
| RST38h | wazd: why? | 18:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: cause it sould measure how much light falls to the screen, not to the side | 18:56 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...probably true... | 18:57 |
| wert613 | RST38h: You take up your heavy hardware of choice and batter the general public | 18:57 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, camera is near the Nokia logo. You can see it in one shot. | 18:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: Then the rectangle is a light sensor after all? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | mmm | 18:57 |
| lcuk | arent all LEDs also rudimentary LDRs ? | 18:57 |
| RST38h | What is LDR? | 18:57 |
| lcuk | ie, you could dual wield the normal led | 18:57 |
| lcuk | light dependant resistor | 18:57 |
| wert613 | RST38h: While driving anything from a Smart car to a Shelby GT | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Ah...No, not LEDs | 18:58 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_as_light_sensor | 18:58 |
| lcuk | yeah actually :P | 18:58 |
| RST38h | LEDs is more like a zener diode | 18:58 |
| wert613 | RST38h: Think, GTA - Redmond, WA | 18:58 |
| lcuk | someone did a touch sensor using LED array | 18:58 |
| lcuk | using the backscattered light from its neighbours or something | 18:58 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I can think of better LDRs :) | 18:59 |
| wazd | GAN800: http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/0908/3f/4ff8efbd7ed0.jpg | 18:59 |
| lcuk | so can i, but in the absense of a distinct element | 18:59 |
| wert613 | RST38h: And for the creative players, GTA - Cupertino, CA | 18:59 |
| lcuk | it could be combined | 18:59 |
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| RST38h | wert: Can I please have the Dungeon Keeper instead? | 19:00 |
| wazd | GAN800: more than that, you can clearly see that protecors hole doesn't fit actual speaker | 19:00 |
| wazd | GAN800: it's moved to the left on that shot | 19:00 |
| wert613 | RST38h: heros of might and hardware | 19:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Well, it has got np junction open to the light, so it should kinda work, yes | 19:00 |
| wert613 | RST38h: Baldurs call center | 19:01 |
| wert613 | RST38h: True crime; EE department | 19:02 |
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| RST38h | "A bizarre July 20 prank ended with a hotel worker actually sipping from a urine sample provided by a guest at a Homewood Suites in Kentucky." | 19:03 |
| wert613 | Bizzare is the right word. | 19:04 |
| wert613 | "would you like some apple juice young man?" | 19:04 |
| RST38h | no, it was way more bizarre | 19:05 |
| wert613 | Scary. | 19:05 |
| RST38h | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0803091pranknet1.html | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | Canadian Police vs The Anonymous | 19:06 |
| RST38h | Ok, out for a stroll. | 19:08 |
| wert613 | I think this proves that skype is evil. | 19:08 |
| javispedro | no, it proves computing is evil. | 19:11 |
| wert613 | I'll do you one further. | 19:11 |
| wert613 | Sociopaths are evil. | 19:11 |
| javispedro | people are evil. | 19:11 |
| wert613 | Parents are evil. | 19:12 |
| javispedro | mother nature is evil. | 19:12 |
| wert613 | Father time is evil. | 19:12 |
| javispedro | ~burn mother nature | 19:12 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over mother nature, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 19:13 | |
| * wert613 creates a rift in time | 19:13 | |
| javispedro | see? infobot is evil :) | 19:13 |
| wert613 | Wait... | 19:13 |
| wert613 | infobot is God? | 19:13 |
| wert613 | I think that rift damaged more than expected. | 19:15 |
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| wert613 | Ow... Neck-ache. | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Haa | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Amazon reviewers. | 19:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Your opinion about the whole Iranian thing has nothing to do with the phone you're reviewing. | 19:34 |
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| wert613 | GeneralAntilles: Their opinion about the whole Iranian thing has very little to do with anything. | 19:37 |
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| wert613 | GeneralAntilles: At least that's MY opinion ;P | 19:39 |
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| wert613 | The silence is deafening. | 20:06 |
| lcuk | well that topic is a bit far off on a dev channel | 20:07 |
| wert613 | Isn't it though? | 20:08 |
| * javispedro loves gcc bugs | 20:11 | |
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| wert613 | Bugs are tasty | 20:12 |
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| * javispedro downloads cs2007q3, hoping it's any better | 20:14 | |
| * wert613 sighs and dances in the wind | 20:15 | |
| woglinde | javispedro for what? | 20:16 |
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| woglinde | javis from the arm kernel site | 20:18 |
| woglinde | 2.14. Known toochain issues. [14 July 2009] The CodeSourcery Sourcery G++ Lite 2007q3-51 toolchain (gcc version 4.2.1) is broken with -fomit-frame-pointer. Without frame pointer, gcc tries to be smart and optimise the tail call. However, it gets it terribly wrong. | 20:18 |
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| slonopotamus | who uses 4.2.1 now? 4.3.2/4.3.3 is the current choice | 20:19 |
| javispedro | http://pastebin.com/d34c42e32 | 20:19 |
| javispedro | the code for branch "Angle < 0" is not generated | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | javis: so, a gss optimizer bug after all? | 20:23 |
| RST38h | gcc | 20:23 |
| javispedro | seems so, unless I'm being a total idiot. | 20:24 |
| RST38h | weird, have not seen this in a while | 20:26 |
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| javispedro | yes, gcc bug. gcc 4.2.1 fixes it. | 20:31 |
| javispedro | (aka fremantle toolchain) | 20:31 |
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| wert613 | Could someone build me a radio shielded box with a magnetron connected to an electromechanical timer so I can resonate the water in my food? | 20:34 |
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| wert613 | Darn... I really wanted that burrito... | 20:39 |
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| Luddek | wert613 no but you could borrow my microwave oven | 20:42 |
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| wert613 | Luddek: You have one of those new-fangled devices? | 20:43 |
| Luddek | hmm its about 15 years old... | 20:44 |
| Luddek | i mean, yes very new-fangeled | 20:44 |
| wert613 | All I have is a miniature computer with a hi'res display and slide-out keyboard D= | 20:45 |
| Luddek | hehe | 20:46 |
| wert613 | The communists are restricting my technological advancements! | 20:47 |
| Macer | hm | 20:48 |
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| Macer | there used to be a spot on itt that showed how to boot maemo from teh sd manually | 20:48 |
| Macer | and i can't find it | 20:48 |
| Macer | :-\ | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd | 20:48 |
| infobot | methinks boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 20:48 |
| wert613 | Efficient | 20:49 |
| Macer | wow | 20:50 |
| Macer | ok. that was awesome :) | 20:50 |
| Macer | heh. thanks | 20:50 |
| Macer | pb has some install script but i don't trust install scripts | 20:50 |
| Macer | i'd see some "penguin bait's fucked you shop -$6,000" on my bank acct | 20:51 |
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| wert613 | Stupid little piece of dirt on my display won't come off. | 21:04 |
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| javispedro | I don't know wha's with that source file, but all it does is trigger gcc bugs | 21:11 |
| javispedro | was probably written by a black mage or something equally awful | 21:11 |
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| RST38h | javis: Or someone who only used x86? =) | 21:13 |
| woglinde | javispedro the test is useless | 21:13 |
| woglinde | so gcc is optimize this away | 21:13 |
| javispedro | woglinde, why? | 21:13 |
| woglinde | first you test if it is < 0 | 21:14 |
| woglinde | then you test if it is -333333 | 21:14 |
| javispedro | * -32768 (aka 0x8000) | 21:14 |
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| woglinde | so you could imeedialty test if it is < | 21:14 |
| woglinde | ups | 21:14 |
| woglinde | == | 21:14 |
| woglinde | args | 21:15 |
| woglinde | sorry | 21:15 |
| woglinde | didnt read it wrong | 21:15 |
| woglinde | hms | 21:15 |
| woglinde | seems I am at sleep | 21:15 |
| javispedro | don't worry woglinde, I'm hoping it's some error of mine | 21:16 |
| woglinde | javis by the way what you are doing with the dsp? | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | that's not the n810 dsp but the SNES dsp ;) | 21:16 |
| woglinde | uh the snes | 21:17 |
| * RST38h shudders at the mention of SNES DSP | 21:18 | |
| woglinde | javis hm you could try to unboxing the ifs | 21:18 |
| wert613 | Hum ;P | 21:18 |
| RST38h | ...and we haven't even got to 65816 have we? :) | 21:18 |
| Macer | is there any way to use the standard linux fdisk on the tablet? | 21:18 |
| Macer | like a repo with it or something? | 21:18 |
| woglinde | javis is not nice but may work | 21:18 |
| woglinde | macer I think you can use fdisk when its connect to a pc | 21:19 |
| RST38h | javis, any chance to see the latest OpenTTD in extras? ;) | 21:19 |
| Macer | woglinde: i don't have a linux box | 21:19 |
| Macer | only opensolaris boxes | 21:19 |
| Macer | heh | 21:19 |
| javispedro | woglinde, thanks, i fixed it by upgrading to 4.2.1, but will remember if the need to submit it the autobuilder arises :) | 21:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h, it's on extras-devel. unfortunately some random new problem with cities not being clickable appeared. | 21:20 |
| RST38h | oh | 21:20 |
| Macer | ~fdisk | 21:20 |
| infobot | somebody said fdisk was a partitioning program. | 21:20 |
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| Macer | ~cfdisk | 21:20 |
| infobot | Curses based disk partition table manipulator for Linux | 21:20 |
| Macer | hm | 21:20 |
| Macer | that's all i get infobot? :) | 21:20 |
| woglinde | yes | 21:20 |
| woglinde | compile fdisk on opensolaris | 21:20 |
| Macer | heh | 21:21 |
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| Macer | if i could put a build env on the tablet | 21:21 |
| Macer | that would be great | 21:21 |
| Macer | heh | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | mer.. but yeah | 21:21 |
| * Macer stares at Stskeeps | 21:21 | |
| Stskeeps | sure, sudo apt-get install build-essential | 21:22 |
| VDVsx | I know it's old, but seen it again and can't stop laughing, OMG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s | 21:23 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: does that work? | 21:25 |
| Macer | on the n810? | 21:25 |
| Macer | i can like.. use make and gcc? | 21:25 |
| Macer | E: Couldn't find package build-essential | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: no, on mer. | 21:25 |
| Macer | oh | 21:26 |
| Macer | i'm using maemo :-P | 21:26 |
| VDVsx | I'm just imagining a similar video with the maemo community council :P | 21:26 |
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| Macer | mer made me want to throw my tablet into the wall | 21:26 |
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| wert613 | *gasps at the thought* | 21:27 |
| Macer | well. i think the problem with mer is that it is trying to be cross platformed | 21:27 |
| Macer | instead of focusing on one piece of hardware.. which is good i suppose.. but... :) | 21:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: parted and cfdisk are in extras-devel. | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: bullshit. most of the hw has problems cos we can't preinstall it into a image due to legal issues. | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | for the stuff we do have access to, it works pretty well | 21:28 |
| rkirti | Macer: thats the whole point and benefit of Mer - being cross-paltformed | 21:28 |
| rkirti | s/paltformed/platformed | 21:29 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: and you will constantly run into those problems on every new piece of hardware you wish to support | 21:29 |
| Macer | so now the devs are like spokes. where you are moving very limited resources into getting one thing to work on one piece of hardware while other developers work on other things :) | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | now, you're misunderstanding some things. | 21:30 |
| Macer | it is a very left handed methodology | 21:30 |
| Macer | instead of one thing at a time you are spreading resources to solve multiple problems with less resources than are available to do so | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | first off, the UI code, APIs, and everything, is by definition cross-platform. it'll view and act in same way everywhere. the stuff we've been given will act like that everywhere, no matter the hardware | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | second, the juicy stuff like network management, bluetooth, input methods, we've had to work our asses off getting to work, as we can't have it. | 21:32 |
| Macer | can't have it? | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's closed source and we don't have the fremantle ones. | 21:32 |
| Macer | ah! | 21:32 |
| Macer | ok :) | 21:32 |
| Macer | and using closed source premade bins doesn't work? | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have them, and the ones we have is built for ARMv7 | 21:33 |
| Macer | wow that sucks | 21:33 |
| Macer | why are they closed? | 21:33 |
| Macer | :) if you don't mind my asking | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | now, let me return to what we're actually doing, because I want to knock this discussion to the ground once and for all. | 21:34 |
| * Macer hides under a rock | 21:34 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, differentiation. | 21:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | icd2 pretty much totally kick's network-manager's ass. | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | we have a mission to go ahead and reconstruct Maemo. we have to remake a shitload of stuff - they're closed, differentation, and fix many broken packages. | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a fremantle backport as such, if it was, we could spend 9 months on it with project dying 3 months after | 21:35 |
| Macer | i still don't understand why they would have it closed off | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: it's very bloody simple - being ahead | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | and i don't blame them for this | 21:36 |
| javispedro | that's unfortunately true. most people who want backports tend to use them as "trials", then decide the next device is good for them. | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | what we are doing with Mer is giving you a very powerful OS, development environment and putting it in the hands of the community | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bloody hard process we've done for soon a year now | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | but it's been worth it. we can do really really neat things. | 21:37 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: so the main goal is a real open OS for portables? | 21:37 |
| Macer | instead of the psuedo open stuff? | 21:37 |
| Macer | with closed network and bt managers? | 21:37 |
| Macer | you're going to have to write your own license :) | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | we want to have a platform that's fully open, but we do respect there might be added bonus's (apps, codecs, etc) on top of the open system | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | the problem with Maemo was that the 80% open source are very difficult to have working properly and user friendly without the remaining 20% | 21:38 |
| javispedro | btw Stskeeps, do you also think icd2 kicks NetworkManager ass? | 21:39 |
| Macer | wow that sucks :) | 21:39 |
| javispedro | or are fine with NM? | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: if connman gets sane i wouldn't mind it. | 21:39 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: sounds like things are only going to get worse if you decide to take a qt route with it | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: but what you're seeing around you is the hard work of the community for a year, and something that will last long after the N810 is dead | 21:39 |
| javispedro | what I mean is that I built an icd2 stub when testing my wpa_supp library (and to do some more -- maybe borderline legal-- things you imagine) | 21:40 |
| javispedro | could expand it | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: we could have done a fremantle backport and be done with it, and practically have wasted our time | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is a fresh new approach to the Maemo platform. | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | and while the UI isn't perfect, mostly because we don't have friggen open source icons for many things, the foundation is bloody solid | 21:41 |
| Macer | are you not allowed to use hildon also? | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | of course, but fremantle icons are closed source | 21:41 |
| Macer | oh wtf :) | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | even translation strings | 21:42 |
| Macer | that totally sucks | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | so, once we're done, we have a OS that's really in the hands of the community | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | and Nokia has been helpful with a lot of things. | 21:42 |
| Macer | well. i guess some poor guy was stuck in a room making icons all day | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | but i get really pissed off when people say Mer is shit. my usual answer is "so what did you do to help it along the way?" - I can't ask that with you obviously. | 21:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: on that note: do HildonFileChoosers still look bad compared to the GTK+ one? It'd be nice if "Hildon = True" could finally be set in bluetooth-sendto. ;) | 21:43 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: it is hard to help test it when you can't really do the things you need to do in order to do so | 21:43 |
| Macer | like wifi tethering on an adhoc phone | 21:43 |
| Macer | ;) | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | adhoc phone is a problem with NetworkManager | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | look up the ubuntu bugs for it | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yeah, currently :/ wazd's working on replacement icons | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | adhoc phone must use shitloads of power | 21:44 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: it does on the phone yes ;) | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: also, why not just use PAN? :P | 21:44 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: no pan support in android yet .. it's a G1 | 21:44 |
| ShadowJK | on the other hand, my e75 has been burning a hole in my pocket on bluetooth too, except when they conspired and switched roles so that n810 began burning hole insteaed | 21:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: ah cool. I'd give wazd vodka but I'd be arrested :( | 21:44 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: but see.. you say "look for an ubuntu bug" | 21:45 |
| javispedro | intel described the NM situation fine: http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/files/2009/06/slide5.png | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | it's based on ubuntu! | 21:45 |
| Macer | i know :) | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | we inherit all the problems with it | 21:45 |
| Macer | but to be "based on" and to "be" .... mer loses its identity | 21:45 |
| Macer | is it maemo.... ubuntu.. or its own thing? | 21:45 |
| Macer | to tell a user simply "check ubuntu's forums out" | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | does it matter what it is? it's the power of ubuntu with the mobile ability of maemo | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | and that's what makes it powerful for developers, hackers and users | 21:46 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: but if someone has a problem with maemo.. they ask it in relation to maemo even though it is based on debian | 21:46 |
| javispedro | Macer, I'm not a user ;) | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | sure, and if someone has a problem with GTK we send it upstream | 21:46 |
| Macer | it is rare someone says "check debian's forums" | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | there's no black and white in this matter | 21:47 |
| Macer | :) | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | everything has an upstream :) | 21:47 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: then that is not a new and fresh approach | 21:47 |
| Macer | that is augmentation | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | everything's augmentation in computer science. | 21:48 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: yeah i suppose so ;) | 21:48 |
| * javispedro wonders what Nokia has in store for icd. | 21:48 | |
| wert613 | Augmenting what Stskeeps? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | but compared to Maemo, development for Maemo, we're lightyears ahead. | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | in the areas we wanted to try and see if we could improve | 21:48 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: yes i suppose that is true in regard to a portable device OS | 21:48 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i'd have loved to see you pick up the qtablet development though | 21:49 |
| Macer | instead of sticking with a gtk based ui for mer | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | we are going to go the Qt way, but the stars have to change a bit. | 21:49 |
| Macer | and once the hardware issues are ironed out i'm sure it will be a wonderful OS | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | qtablet is a demo. | 21:49 |
| lcuk | but that is not ready itself and that would require much more | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's cool, but it is the same as changing the WM for Mer. | 21:50 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i thought you said qtablet went stale | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | which we are actually doing | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | there are people working on it, and there is work ongoing towards getting qt stable and ready, and then when the qt upstream is ready it should be usable | 21:50 |
| Macer | lcuk: the qt based stuff looks awesome | 21:50 |
| lcuk | meh | 21:51 |
| Macer | :) | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | and we already have Qt "for Maemo" in our repositories | 21:51 |
| Macer | what can i say. i'm a sucker for qt | 21:51 |
| lcuk | qt has a lot of features and i am impressed by the library | 21:51 |
| Macer | lcuk: sorry. i'm just a user. to me.. i think it just looks pretty | 21:51 |
| Macer | :) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | but theres the language barrier and the fact its always a compromise and you have to worry about 4 os's | 21:51 |
| Macer | it has a better look and feel than the gtk based stuff | 21:52 |
| lcuk | it shouldnt have, they both use native widgets i believe | 21:52 |
| lcuk | look maybe | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i'm not a gtk fan for what it's worth - the majority of work done in Mer is not what people see when they touch the display. | 21:52 |
| lcuk | but thats themability | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | but it's what makes it possible to have the thing above | 21:52 |
| Macer | lcuk: that's what a lot of people say | 21:52 |
| Stskeeps | we have 166 packages, each carefully fixed, ported, developed if need be | 21:53 |
| Macer | but for some reason it just looks and feels different | 21:53 |
| lcuk | macer, whilst there is great power with qt, you still need to be very careful in what you use or your almighty powerful app runs and feels like shit | 21:53 |
| Macer | lcuk: isn't that any app? ;) | 21:53 |
| lcuk | not really, at least with gtk its hard to link bits together lol | 21:54 |
| * Stskeeps goes sit in the couch and drink coffee | 21:54 | |
| Macer | lcuk: that is like saying.. it's ok if it's broken.. it still runs and fast enough ;) | 21:54 |
| * lcuk made a funky particle system and is surprised by how well it runs | 21:54 | |
| lcuk | especially so on my 810 | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | i made the x41 sweat for a while | 21:54 |
| * javispedro is watching SMKart at nearly 55fps (no zoom though) | 21:54 | |
| Macer | SMKart? | 21:55 |
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| javispedro | Super Mario Kart! :) | 21:55 |
| lcuk | supermario | 21:55 |
| Macer | which one? | 21:55 |
| javispedro | snes, of course | 21:55 |
| Macer | lol | 21:55 |
| lcuk | hows audio? | 21:55 |
| javispedro | no audio :P (yes I know, cheating ;) ) | 21:55 |
| Macer | n810 has a powervr? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | yeah but not usable | 21:55 |
| lcuk | why would i need powervr tho | 21:55 |
| lcuk | in original liqbase i had a particle field with 2000 elements | 21:56 |
| lcuk | i had to reduce that number though because now i am having them interacting with other pieces | 21:56 |
| Macer | not usable because of hardware or software? | 21:56 |
| Macer | like.. did they unsolder a connection .. or just have an IP issue? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | drivers, i thought you knew this | 21:56 |
| javispedro | also, I can't enable the gcc optimizer in yet another file or I get garbled graphics | 21:56 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah... but i just had to confirm | 21:56 |
| Macer | :) | 21:56 |
| * javispedro wishes qgil luck for that :) | 21:56 | |
| Macer | sigh | 21:57 |
| lcuk | quim said there might be something in the pipeline | 21:57 |
| Macer | just sucks to be sitting on a gpu that you can't use | 21:57 |
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| * Macer pictures real 3D based desktops on his N810 | 21:57 | |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i keep thinking about what can be roped in as a coprocessor | 21:57 |
| lcuk | to help with rendering | 21:57 |
| Macer | heh | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i have a real3d desktop running on 810 | 21:58 |
| Macer | figured someone would have reverse engineered some drivers by now | 21:58 |
| javispedro | the IVA thing might be more useful to you | 21:58 |
| Macer | lcuk: oh? | 21:58 |
| javispedro | , lcuk, don't it ? | 21:58 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY | 21:58 |
| lcuk | well, scale invariant lol with nice zooming | 21:58 |
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| javispedro | I once heard you use XV? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | i keep pondering how much hardship it would be to have completely rotatable sketches | 21:59 |
| lcuk | you heard right | 21:59 |
| lcuk | such a long time ago now that video | 22:00 |
| Macer | lcuk: wow that is pretty | 22:00 |
| lcuk | its evolved even more :) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | and more since the latest vid again lol | 22:00 |
| Macer | and this without the powervr huh? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:01 |
| lcuk | completely software rendered | 22:01 |
| Macer | wonder what you could do if you had access to it | 22:01 |
| Macer | heh | 22:01 |
| lcuk | hence my question up there | 22:01 |
| Macer | that is very nice looking though | 22:01 |
| lcuk | biggest slowdown for me realistically is image loading and saving | 22:02 |
| lcuk | and lardman mentioned about a libjpegondsp project | 22:02 |
| lcuk | or something similar | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Do you still save to ~/.liqbase/somewhere? | 22:02 |
| Macer | that thing looks like it would make your n810 burn a hole in your leg if it were resting on it | 22:02 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, with what - photos or sketches | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | both, I guess :) | 22:02 |
| Macer | but yeah.. that is a very nice ui you have going there | 22:03 |
| lcuk | technically now its in multitple places | 22:03 |
| lcuk | im in the middle of a transition to database | 22:03 |
| lcuk | so, the sketch editor is saving as files | 22:03 |
| lcuk | and then they are being sucked into a database | 22:03 |
| javispedro | ls | 22:03 |
| javispedro | damn focus stealing, sorry :P | 22:03 |
| lcuk | Macer, burn a hole in leg? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, the database is vital to allow images to be saved onto the webserver | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: is maemo-launcher fuckzored in Mer? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | and hence back to my other machines | 22:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: ah, cool | 22:04 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png | 22:04 |
| lcuk | and the sketches from the webserver are available as svg | 22:04 |
| lcuk | which gets over peoples concerns about random file formats :) | 22:05 |
| lcuk | new stars fucking rocks :D | 22:05 |
| Macer | heh | 22:05 |
| lcuk | i thought it wouldnt run well on my 810 after i came back from x41 | 22:05 |
| lcuk | but its sweet | 22:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I see idiots these days complaining that they'd rather have a flash YT video when given an animated gif :) | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: hmm? shouldn't be | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i presume you're talking 0.15 | 22:06 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, i can selectively block flash animations. with a clicker to run it if i want. with ani gifs, i have to disable everything | 22:06 |
| lcuk | i agree with them | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Tomaszd sent me http://imgur.com/1Pcte.jpg and when I added maemo-launcher support, I checked that it worked on my tablet | 22:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I'm not talking about ads, just when one wishes to willingly see content | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i would assume it would have died before then , - he's running :Devel, so i wouldn't hold it against Tear if it crashes :P | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: problem is probably that tear's vala is patched or something :) | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Tear uses plain vala | 22:08 |
| Macer | extras-devel still has a few new things on it | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: not according to bundyo | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The one in Extras | 22:08 |
| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, thats the problem, i cannot stand animated content - so i disable it | 22:08 |
| lcuk | i cannot read a page if there is something flickering at the side | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: well, at least according to tomasz who says that, .. :P | 22:09 |
| lcuk | so now, on my machine animated gifs are ALL blocked | 22:09 |
| * Stskeeps grabs a cookie | 22:09 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I build Tear fine using Jaffa's build of Vala | 22:09 |
| lcuk | to unblock for a single one, its a real pita | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: alright - shouldn't wonder me mer is slightly fucked atm though :P | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Which I understand doesn't have anything special done to it | 22:09 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I'll tell him to build with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nolauncher" | 22:09 |
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| Macer | but no cfdisk : | 22:10 |
| Macer | :) | 22:10 |
| javispedro | the whole maemo-launcher thing should have an escape pod. something like maemo-invoker --just-launch-in-this-process. wonder how difficult it is... | 22:10 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: apt-get install it | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I never made the section user/ which means it won't show in Application Manager | 22:11 |
| Macer | oh | 22:11 |
| Macer | heh | 22:11 |
| Macer | ok thanks | 22:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: agreed :(, I had a fucker of a time trying to ltrace browser :\ | 22:11 |
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| javispedro | i am yet to read m-l source code but I guess it works by maemo-invoker sending the so path to the maemo-launcher daemon via socket, with maemo-launcher forking, dlopening the file and just branching to it, in the process getting most of the glib or gtk static initialized only once | 22:15 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: error opening terminal: xterm. | 22:15 |
| Macer | :) | 22:16 |
| javispedro | so maemo-invoker could possibly replicate that part of maemo-launcher, with no fork | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | apt-get install ncurses-base | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ^ Macer | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks, I should add that to deps | 22:16 |
| Macer | ah crap. sorry. :) | 22:16 |
| Macer | i didn't even think to install ncurses heh | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, don't be, it's my fault for assuming that it comes by default :* | 22:16 |
| javispedro | (and is the glib/gtk static initialization so costly maemo-launcher actually helps performance?) | 22:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (Not a bad assumption, but this is Maemo. :)) | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: yes | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: maemo-launcher helps a lot | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:17 |
| javispedro | ah, it also probably helps replace prelinking | 22:17 |
| javispedro | s/probably/definitely/ | 22:18 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: ah, it also definitely helps replace prelinking | 22:18 |
| Macer | i'm still getting this thing ready to copy to the SD | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | there's a bit of discussion if diablo is already prelinked or not | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | i get conflicting answers to it | 22:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The images are, but not SSUs | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 22:18 |
| Macer | alrighty. it's working. thanks qwerty... i figure in another day or so i'll have maemo back on the SD | 22:19 |
| Macer | have to decide how much space to give it and all that fun stuff | 22:19 |
| Macer | what's up with this "internal" memory on the n810 | 22:20 |
| Macer | this 196MB they have going on :) | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | 256 mb internal NAND flash, 2gb internal SD | 22:20 |
| Macer | 2GB?? | 22:21 |
| Macer | wtf | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 22:21 |
| * Macer checks to see where his went wrong | 22:21 | |
| Macer | ah crap! | 22:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Porn is quite big these days ;P | 22:21 |
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| Macer | no. i think i chose internal by accident during a mer install | 22:21 |
| Macer | :) | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | then repartition it | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:21 |
| Macer | i am .. with cfdisk ;) | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | remembered to back up your maps? :> | 22:22 |
| Macer | naw.. didn't really need them yet | 22:22 |
| Macer | considdering i didn't have my sd when i was using it | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | maps are preinstalled to the internal sd | 22:22 |
| Macer | oh.. well. that sucks | 22:23 |
| Macer | :) | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Fuck me.. fucking tmo wants me to delete PMs before I can send any | 22:23 |
| javispedro | btw, does anyone know if the 2009 wayfinder maps are coming? | 22:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I thought it was all about Nokia Maps now? ;) | 22:25 |
| javispedro | dunno, was hoping for some goodness | 22:26 |
| javispedro | do Wayfinder licensees also get this treatment? | 22:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I think I read on tmo that it was "effectively discontinued" | 22:28 |
| Macer | well. didn't know the internal was 2G :) that's pretty awesome | 22:28 |
| Macer | can put maemo on that and keep my full 16G SD | 22:28 |
| Macer | 2G for maemo is way more than the average human should need heh | 22:29 |
| * Macer is reminded of 640K | 22:29 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | In that case, you'll love the next tablet... | 22:29 |
| javispedro | 32 GiB is too much. I would be happy with 8 and -$50 | 22:30 |
| javispedro | well, maybe -$50 is too optimistic... | 22:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | 32GB is too much for something with an <something>SD slot | 22:30 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | I only like to see such high amounts on something where the brightspark designing it thinks no form of expansion will be needed | 22:31 |
| javispedro | but If left to choose between SD slot and 32 bazillion bytes of internal storage, I would still choose SD slot. Apple users would choose the internal storage, though. | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | plenty of porn to fill in 32gb.. | 22:31 |
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| Stskeeps | seriously, they're going for the personal mobile device with those sizes | 22:32 |
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| Macer | haha | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | from personal computer to personal device to star trek communicators | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:32 |
| Macer | the 16G C6 was like... | 22:32 |
| Macer | $50 | 22:32 |
| Macer | i thought that was cheap | 22:32 |
| wazd | I'd choose 32Gb built in and SD slot | 22:32 |
| wazd | oh wait :) | 22:33 |
| Macer | haha | 22:33 |
| Macer | well. i get 2G built in and an sd slot ;) | 22:33 |
| lcuk | i want over 9000 gb | 22:33 |
| esaym153 | anyone know of a good spectrum analyzer | 22:33 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 22:33 |
| Macer | lcuk: agreed | 22:33 |
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| esaym153 | that would install in the 810 | 22:33 |
| esaym153 | you know, to see sound coming in from the microphone | 22:33 |
| lcuk | lardman was looking at that last week afiak | 22:34 |
| lcuk | how fast do you want it updating tho | 22:34 |
| Proteous | OVER 9000?!?! | 22:34 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:34 |
| lcuk | frames a second! | 22:34 |
| Macer | hm.. does the internal sd in an n810 do spreading? | 22:34 |
| Macer | like if i were to make a linux swap on it.. would it totally destroy one section of it? | 22:35 |
| Proteous | just like me, with a butter knife | 22:35 |
| Proteous | oh, nm | 22:35 |
| lcuk | dunno macer | 22:35 |
| lcuk | people say yeah | 22:35 |
| lcuk | but i have my doubts | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Proteous: gonna get rid of your N97 in "suspicious circumstances" and claim insurance to get money for the next tablet? :P | 22:36 |
| lcuk | its not suspicious circumstances, he will know exactly what happened | 22:36 |
| Proteous | hah, you can read my mind | 22:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 22:37 |
| Proteous | I was thinknig of switching to Tmobile anyway, just annoyed that I couldn't do 3G on my n97 there... | 22:37 |
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| Proteous | I wish someone would make a phone that had a nice dpad for playing emulated console games | 22:38 |
| Proteous | that's all I ask | 22:38 |
| lcuk | i just wish there would be enough good games designed for maemo :) | 22:39 |
| lcuk | that you would use to best of tablets abilities | 22:39 |
| Proteous | all of them are working on iphone apps... | 22:39 |
| Proteous | :/ | 22:39 |
| * lcuk draws a galaxy | 22:40 | |
| lcuk | and watches it spiral into a black hole | 22:40 |
| Proteous | heh | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | There's "big money" to be made. I can't help but laugh everytime I hear a sob story of how ones iPhone application isn't bringing 'em riches | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | the 20.000 fart apps? :P | 22:41 |
| Proteous | lol | 22:41 |
| lcuk | when did anything "new" and innovative actually come out for iphone | 22:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I am rich | 22:41 |
| lcuk | and no i dont mean c&p | 22:41 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | ok you got me on that one | 22:42 |
| * lcuk skulks off | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | :D | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: the pedometer | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | aka the sex offender map | 22:42 |
| lcuk | distance from pedos one, or footsteps | 22:42 |
| lcuk | thats not new tho is it | 22:42 |
| lcuk | i saw maps mashups a while ago | 22:43 |
| lcuk | when the info was first released | 22:43 |
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| lcuk | same with crime stats | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but it's not the same as when you're walking through them | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | or next to someone's house | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | with a GPS :P | 22:43 |
| lcuk | what? you dont carry your desktop around with you? | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | i do carry my n810 around :P | 22:44 |
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| wazd | http://www.kongregate.com/games/IcyLime/multitask <- cool game :) | 22:45 |
| lcuk | that sort of thing will be cool on n900 | 22:46 |
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| konttori__ | Proteous: I have to say that I so agree with you that I want a freakin phone with dpad that does not suck | 22:48 |
| lcuk | ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu wazd | 22:49 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:49 |
| lcuk | it got harder lol | 22:49 |
| lcuk | hiya konttori__ | 22:49 |
| wazd | lcuk: 4 is just impossible :D | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | i could cope with 2 | 22:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: i got 102 and my brain exploded | 22:50 |
| lcuk | but then when i had to use my other hand as well i went to pieces | 22:51 |
| * wazd trying to put it back into the head | 22:51 | |
| lcuk | 72 only | 22:51 |
| wazd | lcuk: it really would be good at n900, you can add accelerometer :) | 22:53 |
| wazd | lcuk: and voice control :D | 22:53 |
| wazd | for absolute nerds :) | 22:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:53 |
| lcuk | "computer" | 22:53 |
| Macer | abiword support cups printing? | 22:54 |
| Macer | or does anything in maemo ? :) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzRziK-kZtQ | 22:55 |
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| Macer | the only real computer ever made was the gibson from teh movie hackers with its jacob's ladders | 22:55 |
| Macer | i think i need to mod a case to make jacob's ladders go through it | 22:55 |
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| Macer | like some glass and wiring should do the trick | 22:56 |
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| wazd | lcuk: saw that :) | 22:56 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU | 22:56 |
| lcuk | how many particles do you need to give a decent effect | 22:57 |
| wazd | lcuk: oh my, that's hilarious :D | 22:58 |
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| Proteous | GUI interfaces solve all the crimes nowdays, I don't even know why we have police anymore... | 23:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Who else would be there to go trigger-happy with tasers? | 23:01 |
| Proteous | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO9J5H9Nm4c&NR=1 | 23:01 |
| wazd | Proteous: I create GUI in visual basic for every task | 23:01 |
| lcuk | mallcops | 23:02 |
| RST38h | Proteous: to tase people of course | 23:02 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:02 |
| lcuk | i create liqbase modules with visual basic | 23:02 |
| RST38h | But I am sure UI people work on this one as well | 23:02 |
| Macer | maemo.. is actually pretty awesome :) | 23:02 |
| * lcuk has an export from visual basic form to liq* screens :) | 23:02 | |
| lcuk | shame i cant use the code really. yet | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Grr, there's a legit excuse to use a taser | 23:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :p | 23:03 |
| lcuk | hah | 23:03 |
| * konttori__ has photoshop file to python sdl compiler that can only be run on a human computer. | 23:03 | |
| lcuk | konttori__, ive been converting more of my vb stuff to maemo | 23:04 |
| RST38h | konttori: can one put a virus there? | 23:04 |
| konttori__ | I heard there is a flu-type of a virus out there that can affect badly protected systems | 23:04 |
| Macer | hm | 23:04 |
| Macer | ~clone to sd | 23:04 |
| * infobot takes out his Cloner-2000 and starts making dozens of duplicates of to sd! | 23:04 | |
| Macer | heh | 23:05 |
| Macer | wtf | 23:05 |
| Macer | ~boot from sd | 23:05 |
| * infobot inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across from sd to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts from sd out to where he belongs! | 23:05 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~boot-sd | 23:05 |
| infobot | rumour has it, boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card | 23:05 |
| Macer | that is the only one ? that one uses some script | 23:05 |
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| Macer | well.. let me stare at the script to see how it works | 23:05 |
| wazd | lcuk: high score is 622 | 23:07 |
| wazd | lcuk: We have non-humans on Earth :) | 23:07 |
| lcuk | you are not human | 23:07 |
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| wazd | lcuk: that's not mine thank god :) | 23:07 |
| lcuk | you will tell us anything! | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: that site doesn't like you, really: "It seems that some people are experiencing problems with WASD" :P | 23:08 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: is there a howto that shows you how to manually do it? | 23:08 |
| Macer | like loading the modules etc? like. i want to use ext3 | 23:09 |
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| wazd | qwerty12_N810: don't mess with wazd :D | 23:09 |
| wazd | this game is quite a good training for FPS players :) | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Can't think of any of the top of my head. I used the most anal-retentive method to clone... | 23:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | wazd: hehe :D | 23:10 |
| * lcuk replaces wazd with a,e; | 23:11 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: modules are in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ - you'd want to insmod mbcache, jbd, and ext3 for ext3 | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | http://www.aarontoponce.org/presents/dvorak/images/dvorak.png | 23:11 |
| lcuk | (incase you are wondering | 23:11 |
| Alex_Ionescu | Hi -- is there a way to obtain the latest snapshot of maemo? The "Snapshot" button on garage doesn't seem to do anything, and my "git checkout" took 4 hours, and then hung... | 23:11 |
| Alex_Ionescu | qemu-maemo* | 23:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The mention of the word "DVORAK" is a personal insult to me. | 23:12 |
| * RST38h promptly dvoraks qwerty12 | 23:12 | |
| lcuk | ',.pyf12 | 23:13 |
| * qwerty12_N810 bashes RST38h over the head with a keyboard | 23:13 | |
| Macer | insmod: cannot insert '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext3.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory | 23:13 |
| RST38h | IBM keyboard or the flimsy modern type? | 23:13 |
| Macer | wtf? | 23:13 |
| Alex_Ionescu | (if anyone has an existing git checkout of qemu-maemo, could you perhaps tar it up for me, thanks) | 23:13 |
| Macer | oh | 23:14 |
| Macer | jbd damnit :) | 23:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: take your pick :) | 23:14 |
| lcuk | Alex_Ionescu, most people i know here just grab binaries of the qemu | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | im not sure ive ever seen anyone actually build it on their own | 23:14 |
| Alex_Ionescu | lcuk: i've built it myself from the latest source drop, but it's from May | 23:15 |
| Alex_Ionescu | lcuk: and some of the fixes I need are recent | 23:15 |
| lcuk | ok | 23:15 |
| lcuk | Alex_Ionescu, everyone i know apart from you here just grab binaries of the qemu | 23:15 |
| Alex_Ionescu | oh, is this not a development channel for maemo? :/ | 23:16 |
| Alex_Ionescu | sorry if I made a mistake.. | 23:16 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:16 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...VAX just went to 33+VUPS | 23:16 |
| lcuk | but thats a general emulator | 23:16 |
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| Alex_Ionescu | what do you mean by "general"? there's qemu-maemo which is a special build | 23:16 |
| lcuk | that happens to run maemo inside it isnt it | 23:16 |
| Alex_Ionescu | owned and maintained by the maemo devs | 23:16 |
| lcuk | fair enough, never actively heard about it being worked on like that | 23:17 |
| Alex_Ionescu | ahh I see | 23:17 |
| Alex_Ionescu | Project Admins: | 23:17 |
| Alex_Ionescu | Juha Riihimäki | 23:17 |
| Alex_Ionescu | Riku Voipio | 23:17 |
| Alex_Ionescu | are they ever around here? | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | suihkulokki is at least | 23:17 |
| Stskeeps | (i think he's still on vacation) | 23:18 |
| Alex_Ionescu | ah okay | 23:18 |
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| Alex_Ionescu | well maybe could someone try the "snapshot" button from https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=qemu | 23:18 |
| Alex_Ionescu | maybe it's just my browser :/ | 23:18 |
| Alex_Ionescu | i'd appreciate it | 23:19 |
| lcuk | it just goes to a bare template page | 23:20 |
| lcuk | with no download | 23:20 |
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| Alex_Ionescu | you should haev a "shortlog" of commits | 23:20 |
| Alex_Ionescu | and each of them with a "snapshot" button at the end of the row | 23:20 |
| lcuk | have you tried actively grabbing the git itself | 23:20 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:21 |
| lcuk | i have that | 23:21 |
| Alex_Ionescu | yes..it took 4 hours and froze :/ | 23:21 |
| Alex_Ionescu | and "snapshot" is a bare page, right? | 23:21 |
| Alex_Ionescu | that's what i see too :/ | 23:21 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:21 |
| lcuk | no download as expected by the caption | 23:21 |
| Alex_Ionescu | thanks for trying :) | 23:21 |
| lcuk | in format: tar.gz | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | Alex_Ionescu, | 23:22 |
| lcuk | https://git.maemo.org/?p=qemu;a=summary | 23:22 |
| lcuk | is that the same project but using the git interface | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Hehe, got an unpredicted effect: the laptop went critical, real hard to hold in hands and the fan is spinning like it is a vacuum cleaner | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | cos that offers a download | 23:22 |
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| Alex_Ionescu | lcuk: but the download is from May | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Ah, Intel and its CPUs... | 23:22 |
| lcuk | 2009-07-08 | 23:23 |
| lcuk | Riku Voipio | 23:23 |
| lcuk | Merge branch 'master' of /home/nchip/public_html/qemu... master | 23:23 |
| lcuk | commit | commitdiff | tree | snapshot | 23:23 |
| Alex_Ionescu | oh wait, the tar works here | 23:23 |
| lbt | lcuk: hey | 23:23 |
| Alex_Ionescu | thanks dude :) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:23 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Running the BeOS installer in VMWare caused my fan to go crazy... | 23:23 |
| lcuk | hiya lbt \o | 23:23 |
| lbt | used liqbase v0.00000001 for notes this w/end | 23:23 |
| lbt | need to upgrade... | 23:23 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:23 |
| lcuk | sketches should be compatible :) | 23:23 |
| Alex_Ionescu | just what I needed :D | 23:24 |
| lbt | is the latest on the repos? | 23:24 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I would avoid VMWare like plague, in general | 23:24 |
| lcuk | latest packaged yeah, the playground as released though isnt feature complete vs liqbase original that is in extras | 23:24 |
| lcuk | hence the videos saying "im bringing everything in" | 23:24 |
| lbt | but sketches is good? | 23:25 |
| lcuk | pencil sketches are - in original liqbase theres colors and shapes, here in the released version there are just pencil lines | 23:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Heh :) I was feeling nostalgic and certainly didn't feel like resizing my partitions :) | 23:25 |
| * lcuk had my reasons for this for now | 23:25 | |
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| Macer | wtf | 23:26 |
| lbt | that's fine - I just need my notes from today | 23:26 |
| Macer | i told bootmenu.conf to time out for 15 seconds and it still just flew right past that | 23:26 |
| RST38h | qwerty: May try installing to a usb drive... | 23:26 |
| Macer | like i have to hurry up and hold menu | 23:26 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I don't have any :\ | 23:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: you have to set the default device, read the README in the initfs_flasher.tgz | 23:28 |
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| Macer | qwerty12_N810: that screws up the time delay? | 23:30 |
| Macer | ok. i'll take a look at it in a minute. at least the menu works. i still have to copy maemo over to the "internal" sd | 23:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, the time delay only takes effect if it is set | 23:30 |
| Macer | oh. ok. | 23:31 |
| Macer | i do have it set though | 23:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You ran cal-tool? | 23:31 |
| Macer | MENU_TIMEOUT=15 | 23:31 |
| Macer | oh. no.. not yet | 23:31 |
| Macer | but i just flashed it | 23:32 |
| Macer | with that in my bootmenu.conf. figured it would just pick it right up | 23:32 |
| Macer | the menu looks good. i just need to do some more stuff to the flash maemo and then copy it over.. which i have to do by reading the script and seeing what it does | 23:32 |
| Macer | since i wanted to use ext3 :) | 23:32 |
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| Macer | ugh | 23:50 |
| Macer | seriously there has to be a better way to do this :) | 23:50 |
| Macer | i remember there being a step by step on how to copy this to the sd | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, I linked you to it on the wiki. . . . | 23:51 |
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| Macer | GeneralAntilles: that one uses a script | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Macer, just use it, then. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works fine. | 23:52 |
| Macer | :) but i want to see how it is copied over and reading the script is a pain | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | tar | 23:53 |
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| Macer | heh | 23:54 |
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| Macer | well... i am looking for the one where it shows you step by step how to do it manually | 23:55 |
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| Macer | omg | 23:58 |
| Macer | like the only howto uses this friggin script | 23:58 |
| Macer | what happeend to the old "DIY" howto? :) | 23:58 |
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