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| lardman | evening all | 00:47 |
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| Luddek | good evening | 00:47 |
| fernand0_ | not kidding, that girl looks nice | 00:48 |
| woglinde | he lardman | 00:49 |
| * lardman reminds people that he's not a girl.... | 00:49 | |
| fernand0_ | :> | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | k-s, the eye candy may have overpowered your eye candy. ;) | 00:49 |
| GAN800 | Lies. | 00:49 |
| lardman | oi | 00:50 |
| * lardman heads to the logs to see what this is all about | 00:50 | |
| woglinde | lardman the girl here on this video http://www.vimeo.com/5983706 | 00:50 |
| k-s | ehehe | 00:50 |
| lardman | ah yes, not too bad | 00:51 |
| k-s | fernand0_: that's my alter-ego | 00:51 |
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| fernand0_ | n_n | 00:51 |
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| fernand0_ | k-s, oh, you are Gustavo, I've always read your blog, hehe, I like the things you put on it about efl/edje/python | 00:53 |
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| k-s | ehehe | 00:54 |
| k-s | fernand0_: see, now you like my alter ego as well ;-) | 00:54 |
| k-s | eheheh | 00:54 |
| k-s | kidding, mariana is the only girl at our office | 00:55 |
| k-s | full of scarry nerds, we need someone to balance | 00:55 |
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| woglinde | k-s lol how can she stand that? | 00:58 |
| lardman | very cool, I have a nice microphone input waveform displayed | 00:59 |
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| fernand0_ | k-s, by the way, I'm currently downloading the indt maemo-sdk image, does it include the necesary tools to develop with python-ejde? | 01:01 |
| fernand0_ | edje* | 01:02 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me wonders about a glass of wine | 01:12 |
| Macer | alcoholic | 01:12 |
| lardman | well... | 01:12 |
| lardman | :) | 01:12 |
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| Macer | heh | 01:13 |
| florian | that's something to consider :) | 01:13 |
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| Macer | it is ok | 01:13 |
| lardman | no, my wife will kill me if I open a bottle now | 01:14 |
| Macer | a group of alcoholics were able to convince the world that alcoholism is a "disease" | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | lardman, only one thing to do - all nite tesco and get a replacement | 01:14 |
| Macer | obease people are also close to this "diseased" classification | 01:14 |
| lardman | lol, means I have to finish it tho' | 01:15 |
| Macer | as if stuffing their piglike fatass faces with disgustingly unhealthy food had nothing to do with it | 01:15 |
| lcuk | such a hard life! | 01:15 |
| Macer | haha | 01:15 |
| lcuk | just get the new bottle before you start that one ;) | 01:15 |
| Macer | show no pity for alcoholics, fat people, and drug addicts | 01:16 |
| lardman | hmm, having been in the pub playing skittles, winning I hasten to add, and drinking, I think driving 20 miles to the nearest 24h Tescos would be a no-no :) | 01:16 |
| lardman | s/20/10 | 01:17 |
| lardman | obviously Tescos are placed every 10 miles or so | 01:17 |
| Macer | plus | 01:17 |
| lcuk | ok, no then | 01:17 |
| Macer | it would be a true sign of alcoholism | 01:17 |
| lcuk | when we were camping some guy drove back from the pub with his kid | 01:17 |
| lcuk | to the campsite | 01:17 |
| Macer | long drives to fool people | 01:17 |
| lcuk | he picked up another bloke and his kids | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | and they crashe | 01:18 |
| Macer | tell tale sign | 01:18 |
| lcuk | dd | 01:18 |
| lardman | oops | 01:18 |
| * lardman sticks to the water | 01:18 | |
| lcuk | and the kids were in hospital for the night | 01:18 |
| lcuk | and one guy was in a cell | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | shame really, the guy who got the lift was havin the time of his life | 01:18 |
| lcuk | reallyhavin the best holiday ever | 01:18 |
| lardman | the cell was probably more comfortable than the tent, not sure about hospital ;) | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | i hope not | 01:19 |
| lcuk | he only got a lift cos they were completely blind | 01:19 |
| lcuk | they forgot torches | 01:19 |
| lcuk | bitch of it was we had walked back 5 mins before | 01:19 |
| lcuk | same route - his tent was next over | 01:19 |
| lardman | hmm, bad luck | 01:20 |
| lcuk | yeah - really killed his time, he was practically in tears about what had happened | 01:20 |
| lcuk | note - i dont give a shit about the driver himself | 01:20 |
| lcuk | anyway, dont drink and drive | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | cyas later | 01:21 |
| lardman | bye | 01:21 |
| lcuk | (didnt mean it as a rant, it upset me | 01:21 |
| woglinde | poor kids | 01:21 |
| lardman | no worries, wasn't planning on going to Tescos : | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | woglinde yeah, they are all fine physically | 01:22 |
| lcuk | gnite anyway \o | 01:24 |
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| * lardman tries to remember where data is placed when passed from ARM to DSP and whether it will allow a fast FFT | 01:27 | |
| lardman | glass of wine would doubtless help the thinking, but water it is :) | 01:27 |
| derf | A fast Fast Fourier Transform? | 01:28 |
| lardman | indeed | 01:28 |
| derf | Twice the fast for half the price. | 01:28 |
| lardman | well one hopes, assuming it's in the right type of memory | 01:28 |
| derf | TI does indeed have hand-optimized asm for FFT on C55x. | 01:28 |
| lardman | yep, was planning on using their macro | 01:28 |
| lardman | which calls the asm | 01:28 |
| derf | You can map 16 MB of host memory, or do the message passing thing. | 01:29 |
| lardman | can't actually map that much, not enough TLBs left over | 01:29 |
| derf | Ah, true. | 01:29 |
| lardman | at least not with the Nokia setup anyway | 01:29 |
| lardman | hmm, ipbuf is in extmem anyway, so will need to be copied to DARAM on DSP side, so shared memory is probably the fastest transfer (saves a copy) | 01:32 |
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| woglinde | hm I still at updating ti dsp stuff for omap3530 in oe | 01:34 |
| lardman | I've not really looked at the omap3 stuff, been busy and have no hw so lack motivation | 01:35 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:35 |
| woglinde | no beagleboard? | 01:35 |
| lardman | nope | 01:35 |
| lardman | not especially cheap over here | 01:36 |
| woglinde | lardman hm where do you live again? | 01:37 |
| lardman | UK | 01:37 |
| woglinde | *g* | 01:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | beagleboard isn't cheap period | 01:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | for what beagleboard is, it should be $50 | 01:37 |
| Luke-Jr_ | or less | 01:37 |
| woglinde | what you mean with cheap? | 01:37 |
| lardman | well it's like >£100 iirc | 01:37 |
| woglinde | hm look here http://www.myigep.com/ available at sep | 01:38 |
| lardman | all well and good for something I'll use day to day, but I won't with a beagleboard, so couldn't justify buying one | 01:38 |
| woglinde | but its 149 | 01:38 |
| woglinde | euros | 01:38 |
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| Luke-Jr_ | exactly, a ripoff | 01:38 |
| Luke-Jr_ | 149 would be a good price for a N810 if it were open | 01:39 |
| Luke-Jr_ | but something that's barely usable, if usable at all? | 01:39 |
| lardman | was hoping to get a Pandora last Xmas and hack on that, but obviously it hasn't happened :) | 01:39 |
| Luke-Jr_ | lardman: why obviously? | 01:39 |
| lardman | well as it's still not been produced and looks like it's at least a few more months off still | 01:40 |
| woglinde | pnadora wasnt availble | 01:40 |
| Luke-Jr_ | they claim to have one shipment out | 01:40 |
| lardman | was supposed to be for last nov | 01:40 |
| Luke-Jr_ | probably the only one :þ | 01:40 |
| lardman | Luke-Jr_: ah, that's news to me. Hmm | 01:40 |
| lardman | anyway that ship has sailed as far as I'm concerned, far too late | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Newsletter: Enter email address HOMEBLOGFORUMSDEVELOPERSPRESS AREA | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Pandora12345 | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Pandora | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | ARM® Cortex™-A8 600Mhz+ CPU running Linux | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | 430-MHz TMS320C64x+™ DSP Core | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | PowerVR SGX OpenGL 2.0 ES compliant 3D hardware | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | 800x480 4.3" 16.7 million colours touchscreen LCD | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Wifi 802.11b/g, Bluetooth & High Speed USB 2.0 Host | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Dual SDHC card slots & SVideo TV output | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Dual Analogue and Digital gaming controls | 01:41 |
| Luke-Jr_ | 43 button QWERTY and numeric keypad | 01:41 |
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| * Luke-Jr_ stabs browser | 01:42 | |
| Luke-Jr_ | sorry | 01:42 |
| lardman | :) | 01:42 |
| lardman | I know the spec, just think something better will now come along | 01:42 |
| Luke-Jr_ | I wasn't even trying to paste the spec | 01:42 |
| Luke-Jr_ | The first batch of the Pandora is now sold out. | 01:43 |
| Luke-Jr_ | Thanks to everyone for the support so far, we should have some tasty new photos on the blog soon. | 01:43 |
| Luke-Jr_ | that | 01:43 |
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| lardman | hmm, should | 01:44 |
| lardman | all very tenous still | 01:44 |
| lardman | tenuous even | 01:44 |
| lardman | anyway | 01:44 |
| Macer | hm | 01:44 |
| GAN800 | Luke-Jr_, you're so epic at spinning utter bullshit. | 01:45 |
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| Macer | trying to get sats w n800 | 01:45 |
| Macer | n810 | 01:45 |
| Macer | and mapper | 01:45 |
| Luke-Jr_ | GAN800: no u | 01:45 |
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| lardman | hi GAN800 | 01:45 |
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| GAN800 | Luke-Jr_, you should go back and take an econ clash or something. | 01:46 |
| Luke-Jr_ | wtf | 01:46 |
| Macer | uhm | 01:46 |
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| GAN800 | Hey, Simon. | 01:46 |
| GAN800 | s/clash/class/ | 01:47 |
| woglinde | laaalllaa | 01:49 |
| Luke-Jr_ | GAN800: why? I couldn't care less about economics :D | 01:50 |
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| Macer | wtf can i use to use the internet to dl the almanac? | 01:56 |
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| lardman | the agps-ui should do the trick | 01:57 |
| lardman | from the SUPL server | 01:57 |
| lardman | or are you talking manually? | 01:57 |
| Macer | agps didnt seem to dl it | 01:58 |
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| lardman | perhaps you didn't move far enough? | 01:58 |
| lardman | or the file is corrupt, etc | 01:59 |
| lardman | also a time limit, won't download within a certain time for the same location | 01:59 |
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| Macer | oh | 02:00 |
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| Macer | you have to move? | 02:00 |
| Macer | heh | 02:00 |
| Macer | just to get an almanac' | 02:00 |
| Macer | ? | 02:00 |
| Macer | i stayed outside 30 mins grying to get a lock | 02:01 |
| lardman | saves hammering their server, only download it if you've moved or it's out of date | 02:01 |
| lardman | yeah, try deleting the nvd_data file then try again | 02:01 |
| Macer | ok, screw it.. i will wait | 02:01 |
| Macer | until i am outside driving for a while | 02:02 |
| lardman | so I've been told, should stop any corruption in there from stopping the GPS | 02:02 |
| Macer | well | 02:02 |
| * lardman doesn't even bother will the built-in now, just uses a BT one | 02:02 | |
| Macer | maemo itself has been searching for sats for a while | 02:02 |
| Macer | lol | 02:03 |
| Macer | that seems redundant | 02:03 |
| Macer | im sure once you get it going the 1st time the next time is far easier | 02:03 |
| lardman | nvd_data contains the almanac and ephemeris data, if it's corrupt it will be looking for the wrong sats | 02:04 |
| Macer | where does it store it? | 02:04 |
| lardman | that's a question :) | 02:04 |
| lardman | iirc, somewhere under /var | 02:04 |
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| Macer | nope | 02:06 |
| Macer | heh | 02:06 |
| lardman | hmm, google should find it I guess | 02:07 |
| Macer | wtf?? | 02:07 |
| lardman | sorry, it's been a while | 02:08 |
| Macer | no pipe on n810??? | 02:08 |
| Macer | i have ¥ | 02:08 |
| lardman | symbol? | 02:08 |
| Macer | lol | 02:08 |
| Macer | yah | 02:08 |
| lardman | oh, should be on the pop-up kb | 02:08 |
| Macer | and € | 02:08 |
| Macer | but no pipe haha | 02:08 |
| Macer | £ | 02:08 |
| Macer | wtf! | 02:08 |
| lardman | £ is very useful thank you very much! ;) | 02:09 |
| javispedro | I just pooped myself | 02:10 |
| javispedro | touched my n810 only to find it was in wsod-like trance | 02:10 |
| javispedro | was happy to remember that I enabled /etc/no_lg_reboots | 02:11 |
| Macer | /var/lib/gps/nvd_data | 02:11 |
| javispedro | (and maemo-desktop had crashed) | 02:11 |
| lardman | Macer: ah, knew it was there somewhere :) | 02:11 |
| Macer | rm it? | 02:12 |
| lardman | yeah | 02:12 |
| Macer | ok | 02:12 |
| lardman | then start agps-ui and the gps stuff again and it should be regenerated and filled, hopefully ;) | 02:12 |
| Macer | going to stand in the yard til i lock | 02:12 |
| lardman | Macer: see you tomorrow ;) :D | 02:12 |
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| lardman | face South, or if you're in the southern hemisphere face North | 02:13 |
| Macer | hahaha | 02:13 |
| Macer | bb.....LATER | 02:13 |
| nomis | Macer: also make sure... | 02:13 |
| nomis | Macer: that your clock is set correctly. | 02:13 |
| Macer | ;) | 02:13 |
| Macer | it is | 02:13 |
| nomis | ok. | 02:13 |
| nomis | (incl. proper timezone) | 02:13 |
| lardman | so only 1h to lock then, rather than a week... :D | 02:14 |
| * lardman should try his, last lock was in Australia I think | 02:14 | |
| Macer | home city? | 02:14 |
| lardman | me? | 02:14 |
| Macer | i mean | 02:14 |
| Macer | there isnt a place in maemo for timezone | 02:15 |
| Macer | only home city in the clock settings | 02:15 |
| lardman | ah yes, depending on your chosen city | 02:15 |
| Macer | ok | 02:15 |
| Macer | bbl ;) | 02:15 |
| lardman | good luck! | 02:15 |
| nomis | Macer: we breathlessly await your fix :) | 02:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr_, exactly. | 02:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it makes you look like a fool. | 02:17 |
| Luke-Jr_ | GeneralAntilles: no u | 02:17 |
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| lardman | on a whim I tried to get a fix sat in my study - one sat, no change in the last 5min, not going to work I don';t think | 02:20 |
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| Macer | ok | 02:26 |
| Macer | took 5 mins to lock in maemo config | 02:26 |
| Macer | but mapper keeps looking for a gps receiver | 02:26 |
| Macer | what dev is the internal gps? | 02:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bluetooth, leave device blank | 02:27 |
| Macer | i have /dev/pgps | 02:27 |
| Macer | which is like tty/0 | 02:27 |
| Macer | oh | 02:27 |
| Macer | ok | 02:27 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:31 |
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| Macer | hm | 02:32 |
| Macer | think that was a bad move with the maps heh | 02:32 |
| nomis | Macer: hmm? | 02:32 |
| Macer | i selected like 8 | 02:32 |
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| Macer | got the lock and tracking tho | 02:33 |
| nomis | \o/ | 02:33 |
| javispedro | tmo: "The rumors are that the next iPhone will have a multi-core Cortex A9. " | 02:34 |
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| javispedro | heh. it will ship before the N900 too. | 02:34 |
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| woglinde | lol javis | 02:36 |
| woglinde | and good nite | 02:36 |
| woglinde | I am leaving | 02:36 |
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| Macer | hm | 02:37 |
| Macer | am i still connected? | 02:37 |
| Macer | wtf | 02:37 |
| wazd | yes u are :) | 02:37 |
| Macer | weird | 02:37 |
| Macer | lost my wifi for five mins | 02:38 |
| Macer | ssh should have died heh | 02:38 |
| Macer | it works.. thanks | 02:38 |
| Macer | need to get a mini sd | 02:38 |
| Macer | bbl | 02:38 |
| Macer | tear is too lacking in features | 02:39 |
| Macer | awesome browser so far for what it is tho | 02:39 |
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| Macer | ok | 02:40 |
| Macer | guess i jumped the gun calling the n810 crappy heh | 02:40 |
| Macer | i have been using it nonstop for a whole day haha | 02:41 |
| wazd | Macer: I had a week with n800 only | 02:41 |
| Macer | it IS a little better than my older n800 i sent Stskeeps | 02:41 |
| wazd | Macer: not bad experience for such a small device :) | 02:42 |
| Macer | the qwerty does take some getting used to | 02:42 |
| Macer | isnt that responsive | 02:42 |
| Macer | have to press the space kind of hard | 02:42 |
| wazd | Macer: well, I had to get used to even my desktop keyboard :) | 02:42 |
| Macer | once i get this damn ecu in my car... will be pretty fun | 02:43 |
| Macer | i have an su8w | 02:43 |
| Macer | used to use it with my n800 and n95 | 02:43 |
| Macer | still have it | 02:43 |
| Macer | n810 makes it so i can keep my g1 in a bag | 02:44 |
| Macer | might have to get a bulk battery for the gq tho | 02:44 |
| wazd | Macer: hmm, g1 and n810 same time is a bit overkill :) | 02:44 |
| Macer | lol | 02:44 |
| javispedro | the ability that opensource gives me to fix the bugs that bit me most by myself is vastly underrated | 02:44 |
| Macer | not really | 02:44 |
| Macer | g1 is slow | 02:44 |
| wazd | Macer: oh | 02:45 |
| Macer | and closes apps on its own when out of mem | 02:45 |
| javispedro | i'm starting to even enjoy it :) | 02:45 |
| wazd | Macer: I prefer tiny phone and the tablet :) | 02:45 |
| Macer | n810 has a bigger higher res screen | 02:45 |
| * javispedro fills another bug report that'll be a WONTFIX in diablo and gets ready for bed | 02:45 | |
| Macer | and a much better browser | 02:45 |
| wazd | javispedro: that's great but it's nothing to deal with end-user same time :) | 02:45 |
| Macer | javispedro: ? | 02:45 |
| Macer | lol | 02:46 |
| Macer | what bug is that? | 02:46 |
| Macer | i need a minisd | 02:46 |
| Macer | bbl | 02:46 |
| javispedro | that ossofilemanager thing that was pissing me yesterday | 02:46 |
| Macer | going to order one | 02:46 |
| Macer | hopefully a 16G if i can find one | 02:46 |
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| javispedro | good luck with your new N810 :) | 02:47 |
| javispedro | and gnite | 02:47 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:50 |
| Macer | had an n800 before | 02:51 |
| Macer | not much new wxcept the qwerty and gps | 02:51 |
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| Macer | ok | 03:08 |
| Macer | ordered a 16G | 03:08 |
| Macer | but it didnt come with an adapter | 03:08 |
| Macer | and i saw a c6 4G with a minisd adapter for like $11 | 03:08 |
| Macer | heh | 03:08 |
| Macer | microsd | 03:09 |
| Macer | wow they sure are making them big | 03:09 |
| Macer | soon 32G microsd? | 03:09 |
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| Macer | is there a way to rm the default browser to replace it with tear? | 03:15 |
| Macer | microb is so slow | 03:15 |
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| Macer | wtf | 05:04 |
| Macer | n810 nokia car charger for 50 cents? :) | 05:04 |
| Macer | heh | 05:04 |
| Macer | not much demand for a nokia car charger i guess? | 05:04 |
| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000FTE1C4/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A2MST4UOVLVIDN&v=glance | 05:05 |
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| chx | LOL 53 cents! | 05:17 |
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| chx | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-33-0311-05-Small-Barrel-Charger/dp/B000FTG6EA/ref=pd_sim__4?ie=UTF8&m=A2MST4UOVLVIDN 99 cents wall brick rotflmao | 05:18 |
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| Macer | wtf | 05:32 |
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| b-man16 | i finally got my tablet back today :) | 06:02 |
| b-man16 | but the company that i sent it to was unable to fix it >:( | 06:02 |
| b-man16 | so it looks like i'll have to buy an N810 :( | 06:03 |
| * b-man16 is really pissed | 06:04 | |
| LinuxCode | sorry to hear that mate | 06:04 |
| LinuxCode | di they at least tell you what the problem was ? | 06:04 |
| b-man16 | theay claimed that there was corrosion damage | 06:05 |
| b-man16 | but i took a look and there was no damage >:( | 06:06 |
| LinuxCode | they charged you how much ? | 06:06 |
| b-man16 | $108.00 | 06:06 |
| LinuxCode | pffff | 06:06 |
| LinuxCode | I think you been had mate | 06:06 |
| b-man16 | indeed :( | 06:06 |
| LinuxCode | take pictures, get a witness | 06:07 |
| LinuxCode | dispute they did any work, and ask for a written clarification on where the damage is | 06:07 |
| LinuxCode | for 108 dollars, you could have had almost 50% of a new n810 | 06:07 |
| b-man16 | my dad is going to file a complaint to the tech support center at nokia | 06:08 |
| b-man16 | (it was sent out under his name) | 06:09 |
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| LinuxCode | k | 06:18 |
| b-man16 | the company's name is Palco btw | 06:20 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | so will the N900 have solar panels on the back? | 06:31 |
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| LinuxCode | CutMeOwnThroat, it will come with a nuclear power reactor that is portable... | 06:48 |
| LinuxCode | is that helpful to you ? | 06:48 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | fusion or fission? | 06:49 |
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| LinuxCode | fission, with a subscription for nuclear decommissioning | 06:51 |
| LinuxCode | on a more serious note | 06:52 |
| LinuxCode | I have given up hope to get a N810 replacement before the year is out | 06:52 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | I only got my N810 a couple of months ago! | 07:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I mainly use it for reading ebooks, though, it turned out | 07:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | could as well have been a kindle | 07:01 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but... eww... proprietary formats | 07:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | also... too big to lug around everywhere | 07:04 |
| LinuxCode | I use it to read email, to do list | 07:05 |
| LinuxCode | calendar | 07:05 |
| LinuxCode | sometimes irc... | 07:05 |
| LinuxCode | rss | 07:05 |
| LinuxCode | sync with evolution | 07:05 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | wireless is sometimes useful when there's enough free wireless around | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | naturally | 07:06 |
| * LinuxCode has 3 spots in town where he can get free wlan | 07:06 | |
| LinuxCode | ohh I lied | 07:06 |
| LinuxCode | some pubs have it too | 07:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I used to watch the (previously downloaded) German tv news on my way home | 07:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | reading is easier, though | 07:07 |
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| Macer | wtf convinced nokia to use a minisd | 08:06 |
| Macer | heh | 08:06 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Funny, had the same question about MicroSD | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | microsd is at least easy to get here | 08:24 |
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| Macer | microsd? | 08:26 |
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| RST38h | MicroSDs are so tiny that I have trouble inserting them, anywhere | 08:33 |
| Macer | http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/emtec-gdium-liberty-1000.aspx | 08:34 |
| Macer | RST38h: they arent bad | 08:42 |
| Macer | mini is just the bastard middle brother that no parent loves | 08:42 |
| RST38h | Yep, unfortunately | 08:52 |
| RST38h | I am not buying a MIPS laptop. Had enough insight into guts of those. | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | i find it ironic mips android works together with Open Embedded Software Foundation (oesf.jp - extremely pro-android) .. vs the old old oesf.org (same name, with a space..) | 08:54 |
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| slonopotamus | DarwinSurvivor, DarwinSurvivor_, surviving involves doing copies of yourself? :) | 10:14 |
| DarwinSurvivor_ | slonopotamus, sorry, xchat likes to load without a panel applet, then close and leaves ghosts behind, i'm working on fixing it... | 10:14 |
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| slonopotamus | DarwinSurvivor_, just kidding :) | 10:15 |
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| slonopotamus | he didn't survive :/ | 10:15 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | morning jaffa | 10:20 |
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| lardman | morning | 10:33 |
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| lardman | yuck | 11:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: How's the fight with the "Mer is dangerous" person going? | 11:22 |
| lardman | though good once done | 11:22 |
| lardman | hi qwerty12_N810 | 11:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hi lardman | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, there was a bit of sarcasm, but it was the type of person who insists warning labels should be on things or something.. | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:25 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Heh >.< | 11:25 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, lardman, "dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller /com/nokia/osso_hp_ls_controller com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller.loudspeaker.force_loudspeaker_on" is usually quicker to get the speaker working than rebooting | 11:28 |
| lardman | ah yes, I knew there was a command somewhere, thanks | 11:30 |
| lardman | any ideas why it just stops working? | 11:30 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | None at all :(. On an N800, that could be attributed to the FM Radio applet but no idea why on an N810 | 11:31 |
| lardman | my mic also doesn't seem to work without the headphones plugged in, though I've not checked that by rebooting | 11:32 |
| lardman | so perhaps some fault with one of the chips that senses the headphones, who knows | 11:32 |
| lardman | anyway thanks, have created a script so I can call that at will :) | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | phew, finally debconf9 reimbursement sent off to nokia | 11:35 |
| sp3000 | Stskeeps: did mer microwave his cat? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | sp3000: nah, it just kills people's devices | 11:36 |
| * Stskeeps glances curiously on the "firefox on maemo" talk | 11:37 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | "My device survived Mer and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm so making you that tshirt | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :P | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-task-launcher-2.png , http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-virtual-keyboard.png (a must see) | 13:06 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: hehe, nice | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | pure fvwm | 13:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: purty | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | half the ram of hildon desktop | 13:11 |
| Jaffa | Nice. | 13:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Get OMWeather on there and you'll have people flocking to Mer by the numbers :P | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | we'll probably have to adopt hildon-home | 13:13 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: There was a question on the new Mauku thread as to whether anybody had tried it on Mer yet. Given it's a fairly straightforward Fremantle app, it should be a good test case for "just running" | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: sure, but mauku also uses the new desktop API | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | which we don't implement in 0.15 just yet | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | Isn't that a separate widget? | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | probably, but yeah, it's a good case for testing if things run | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | s/widget/app or pkg/ | 13:15 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Isn't that a separate app or pkg? | 13:15 |
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| wazd | hello everybody | 13:22 |
| lbt | hey wazd | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: #mer , and see http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-task-launcher-2.png , http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-virtual-keyboard.png (a must see) | 13:23 |
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| lcuk | speaking of purdy graphics, z4chh has been working on his zachmon http://www.flickr.com/photos/38672658@N07/ | 13:24 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, thats really sweet looking | 13:24 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: nice glassy look | 13:26 |
| lcuk | yeah it surprised me too when i saw it | 13:26 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps wazd: I've got a real problem with the way the Mer top bar stands out (or doesn't). Feels like the fading might need to be stronger (ideally, perhaps even a blur a la Aero ;-)) | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | But I can't really put my finger on it | 13:27 |
| wazd | Jaffa: that's temporary skin | 13:28 |
| wazd | Jaffa: it will be something like this: http://picasaweb.google.ru/Drew.Zhilin/MerArtwork#5363108449165872402 | 13:28 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, why does the fading have to be stronger on areas where there is nothing? | 13:32 |
| lcuk | or did you mean on the actual button areas? | 13:32 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: And blur is a shader effect - not for old tablets :) | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Pre-render? | 13:35 |
| wazd | X-Fade: pre-render what? :) | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | the blur as image? | 13:35 |
| wazd | X-Fade: hmm, is it worth it? :) | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | wazd: could be. Would look fab | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | That is what the old hildon desktop did anyway. | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | I was about to say that | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: There's something sitting on top of the background (the top panel), but it's totally transparent. | 13:37 |
| wazd | X-Fade: hmm, that's an idea to consider :) | 13:37 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: Old Hildon desktop took your selected background, scaled it and drew parts of the theme over the top to make rendering quick. | 13:37 |
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| Jaffa | So blurring the top 50(?)px, and even doing the translucency and any borders would give a really fantastic looking effect (like OS X, Compiz or Vista's Aero) on low end hardware. | 13:38 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: Well, I'm totally not against blur if it's not ruining the performance :) | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | As qwerty12_N810 says: some whizzy eye candy'll draw in the testers :) | 13:39 |
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| wazd | jaffa: so basically it can make anything with background underneath | 13:40 |
| Jaffa | Should even be possible to do it with a single command using ImageMagick | 13:41 |
| wazd | Jaffa: something like this: http://i017.radikal.ru/0908/e8/e2bae5895313.jpg | 13:43 |
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| Jaffa | wazd: yup. I'd be tempted to make the bevel at the top and bottom a little less harsh too, FWIW. | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | Nice background btw :) | 13:45 |
| Jaffa | Mer should have a backgrounds package including some of these | 13:46 |
| Andy80 | very nice :) | 13:48 |
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| wazd | Jaffa: well, soft bevel will make the look too much like any other modern os | 13:59 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I think these harsh stripes adds some uniique look | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | The harsh stripes reminds _me_ of old computers which didn't have the palette to do a more subtle appearance. | 14:01 |
| wazd | Jaffa: like n800? :D | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | And looking "like any other modern OS", when said modern OSes don't run on tablets etc. isn't a bad thing. | 14:02 |
| slonopotamus | any sed/awk gurus? i need to append some text to each line in a file | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | wazd: I'm thinking 4-bit palettes of 16 colours in Windows 3.x, RISC OS 2, Amiga's Workbench, ... | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: Something like : sed -e 's/$/ Appended text./' <in >out | 14:03 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa, thx | 14:03 |
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| lcuk | grrrr @ twitter not sending because of google-analytics | 14:05 |
| lcuk | jaffa, coding the ui expecting low bit depths is actually a positive thing - sunlight readability. subtle changes are wasted most of the time anyway | 14:08 |
| lcuk | also, it means it works better on devices that havent got super graphics available | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: I think assuming 8-bit colour is reasonable; and I use my tablet indoors more often than I do outside. <shrug/> | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | IME, people'll make decisions as to try software (incl. Mer) based on screenshots. | 14:12 |
| lcuk | heh, dont go too far - you will give wazd a heart attack | 14:12 |
| lcuk | you gotta give him at least 65k colors ;) | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Right, so that's plenty then for a less harsh effect ;-p | 14:12 |
| lcuk | hell yeah - its theme based anyway so its not a big deal either way | 14:12 |
| lcuk | hgh contract theme | 14:12 |
| lcuk | jaffa soft theme | 14:13 |
| lcuk | i know konttori is doing the theme designer for fremantle, and i recall that they wont be compatible, but i wonder if there could be a sidestep path to allow fremantle themes to be used/converted for use in mer | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | primary problem is that the themes are not OSS right now :) | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | but once people start using the designer to make their own themes, they can be on whatever license they want | 14:16 |
| Woolly | lardman: ping | 14:16 |
| lcuk | having a path to use the themes would be good | 14:16 |
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| wazd | jaffa: again, soft gradient is slightly boring. If you have 65k colors, you shouldn't use them all same time :) The goal is to make the look attractive and slightly outstanding | 14:21 |
| wazd | So user will look ath the screenshot and say: "Hey, it's Mer" :) | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | wazd: IMHO, the harsh light bars at the top and bottom of the top bar put too much emphasis on trying to make the bar stick out compared with the content of the bar and the application beneath it. That's why "modern OSes" are moving towards softer edges, to not distract from the bits doing the actual work for the user. | 14:23 |
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| * VDVsx sends ninjas to etrunko house/work place :P | 14:24 | |
| wazd | Jaffa: and btw, borders are not that contrast to distract | 14:24 |
| wazd | Jaffa: http://picasaweb.google.ru/Drew.Zhilin/MerArtwork#5363108267333512962 <- to my mind it's pretty soft when the app is launched :) | 14:25 |
| Jaffa | wazd: True. Perhaps I'm just mis-remembering and/or confused. | 14:27 |
| wazd | Jaffa: and I'm defending this idea not because it's mine, it's zemvoid's :P | 14:27 |
| wazd | zenvoid's* | 14:27 |
| wazd | Jaffa: more than that, I totally aggree with you that UI should be as much soft looking as possible | 14:28 |
| wazd | Jaffa: You can see it in icons and stuff :) | 14:29 |
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| VDVsx | humm, it seems that we will have nokia WRT in maemo5, cool :) | 14:31 |
| wazd | VDVsx: what's WRT? :) | 14:32 |
| VDVsx | web runtime toolkit | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm even more pondering if we'll have firefox or fennec, honestly | 14:32 |
| VDVsx | wazd, http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Web_Technologies/Web_Runtime/ | 14:33 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: microb? :) | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | 'Firefox on Maemo' is a bit awkward title for a talk | 14:33 |
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| Stskeeps | oh that's nice | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | ' Skype on Maemo' | 14:33 |
| javispedro | hmm... WRT implies WebKit | 14:34 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, fennec was/will be renamed, isn't it ? | 14:34 |
| javispedro | what does that mean for MicroB? | 14:34 |
| wazd | oh, htwl widgets, cool :) | 14:34 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: hopefully, death. | 14:34 |
| wazd | My fingers can't type what I want them to type :( | 14:34 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, ah, don't be so harsh, I was actually starting to like it :D | 14:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :P | 14:35 |
| wazd | microb is like a tank, it's slow but it goes anywhere :) | 14:35 |
| wazd | and to be fair, it's not always slow | 14:36 |
| VDVsx | wazd, good point :) and at least I can see flash videos :) | 14:36 |
| VDVsx | ....coufg coufg HTC hero | 14:37 |
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| javispedro | i want to give it a try at good snes emulation. any suggestions where to start? | 14:38 |
| javispedro | ^^^ pupnik | 14:38 |
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| javispedro | i saw you started porting drpocketsnes | 14:38 |
| javispedro | i was thinking something like LJP (cause I have no gp2x experience, but loads of PalmOS) | 14:39 |
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| Woolly | lardman: ping | 14:47 |
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| lardman | Woolly: pong | 14:47 |
| lardman | that was good timing, I just walked in | 14:47 |
| Woolly | lardman: haha shweet :) | 14:47 |
| Woolly | lardman: do you still have the compiled binary for maemo-barcode? | 14:48 |
| lardman | yeah, let me find an url for you | 14:48 |
| Woolly | lardman: ace of spades | 14:48 |
| lardman | the ui isn't very good by the way | 14:48 |
| Woolly | lardman: that's okay :) Can it recognise EAN13s? | 14:49 |
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| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/ | 14:49 |
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| lardman | yeah, or perhaps better is to use the test program from trunk | 14:51 |
| lardman | as that just spits out eans | 14:51 |
| RST38h | javis: Avoid porting palmos stuff | 14:51 |
| lardman | Woolly: I don't have a copy of that lying about though | 14:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h, I know what to expect :) | 14:52 |
| RST38h | javis: Stick with gp2x - even if you have no experience, gp2x is a relatively generic linux machine | 14:52 |
| lardman | derf: do you happen to have a copy of the 1D barcode test program? | 14:52 |
| RST38h | palmos is...mm...ok | 14:52 |
| Woolly | lardman: that's okay, thanks for the binary :) | 14:52 |
| lardman | np, am moving to python now, tell me what you need and I can put together a quick program for you. Or try at least :) | 14:52 |
| lardman | using zbar as the backend | 14:53 |
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| derf | lardman: Not offhand, no. | 14:56 |
| lardman | np and thanks, have pointed Woolly to zbar and some Python | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | hehe, LG wants $1200+ for a watch phone | 15:21 |
| RST38h | almost makes me think they have no idea that Chinese are selling these for a couple of years now | 15:22 |
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| Woolly | lardman|lunch: FYI http://pastie.org/575343 | 15:33 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Irrational, meaningless MicroB hate. | 15:42 |
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| RST38h | GAN: not enough of it. add more hate! =0 | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, good, the Nokia Slowing Down thread has devolved into (mostly) a bunch of people whose opinions I don't care about bickering amongst themselves. | 15:43 |
| wazd_n800 | I'm back) | 15:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, troll it to death, please. | 15:43 |
| RST38h | GAN: I think I have completed the loop | 15:44 |
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| RST38h | they labelled me a nokia fan and gave up =) | 15:44 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, bunch of incoherent, inconsistent idiots. | 15:46 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, remember your talk about nokia wrt ? damn have to bet on the lottery :P | 15:46 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, heya) | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, my talk? | 15:46 |
| RST38h | pretty consistent and easily classifiable | 15:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles doesn't recall ever having any talks. | 15:46 | |
| VDVsx | S/your/our/ | 15:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, that. | 15:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That wasn't so much a prediction or guess as knowledge based on what Nokia's plans were. :P | 15:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sorry, inconsistent about who they choose to hate on and why. | 15:47 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://drugoi.livejournal.com/3012679.html | 15:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Very consistently hypocritical. | 15:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: fire, water, people at work | 15:48 |
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| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I know :), but you doubted, if I recall currently | 15:48 |
| zap | Can someone try to pull out the MMC card off N810, and then re-insert it: it won't automount after that on mine. Wonder if that's my problem or everybody have it. | 15:49 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, you've either got the wrong person or it was another discussion I'm recalling. | 15:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I see a large-scale usage like the Pre as unlikely. | 15:50 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, nah | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But MicroB's architecture certainly indicated that they planned to use it in several applications at once. | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no way they're migrating to non-native, though. | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | you mean browserd vs the shell? | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean it's time for me to go to work. | 15:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Later. | 15:52 |
| RST38h | good luck | 15:52 |
| RST38h | zap: it requires umount first | 15:53 |
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| zap | RST38h: you mean, user Joe has to issue "umount" from root console before removing the mmc card? | 15:54 |
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| zap | besides, if I insert the USB cable into N810 and then pull it out, it automounts fine | 15:54 |
| Mek | do you close the cover over the mmc card? | 15:54 |
| zap | does it matter? | 15:55 |
| Mek | yes | 15:55 |
| zap | I'll try to close it | 15:55 |
| Mek | it unmounts when you open it, and mounts when you close it | 15:55 |
| VDVsx | the strange thing here, is that WRT runs under webkit, microB and fennec use gecko o_0 | 15:55 |
| lcuk | wrt is just simplified html+js isnt it | 15:56 |
| zap | Mek: thank you, it did the trick | 15:56 |
| lcuk | ie half pint web experience - keep it simple and light to get best perf | 15:56 |
| lcuk | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/alessandro-la-rosas-forum-nokia-blog/2009/05/21/mobilising-websites-guidelines-for-wrt-widgets-development-part-2 | 15:56 |
| lcuk | a very good overview for folks, since its the topic ;) | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | konttori's interview from about 18 months ago shwos that Elephanta would likely have had WRT | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30693 | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | ^ interesting | 15:57 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 15:58 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, you need a render engine, I guess | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Sts: cool | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, where would i get one of those from.. | 15:59 |
| lcuk | ;) | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: ultimate trolling place? ;p | 15:59 |
| lcuk | i need to make my html parser better :P | 15:59 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, just pick one :) | 16:00 |
| lcuk | all of them work in rgb | 16:00 |
| lcuk | and render to those surfaces, converting one to liqbase would make it really poor | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: I guess this one can be taken seriously for a change | 16:00 |
| lcuk | i looked a while ago :) | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: I doubt it will make a difference but still | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, they wouldnt make best use of what liqbase can offer - i have a html parser and dynamic loading of images from web and stuff and can do most of what i want (liqcells are at the lowest level equivilent to DOM elements) | 16:02 |
| wazd_n801 | let's make a branch - «Troll's swamp» =) | 16:02 |
| vilen | hey, everybody | 16:03 |
| vilen | !i have a question | 16:03 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, :) | 16:03 |
| vilen | is there a way to compile kernel modules for maemo | 16:03 |
| vilen | and deploying them on the device | 16:03 |
| vilen | without flashing the kernel | 16:04 |
| vilen | ? | 16:04 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, RST38h bet $10, that we will have trolling posts there by the end of the day :) | 16:04 |
| slonopotamus | vilen, put them in any place you like and insmod? | 16:04 |
| vilen | hmm ok | 16:05 |
| vilen | so i can compile on the scratchbox and insmod the .ko file on the actual device? | 16:05 |
| slonopotamus | vilen, yep | 16:05 |
| vilen | ok thanks | 16:05 |
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| wazd_n801 | Lolz. Bout a week ago I thought that it would be cool to set "Mama, ooooo" from Bohemian Rhapsody as a ringtone for my mom calling | 16:09 |
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| wazd_n801 | Just heard it from another guy's phone) | 16:10 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 16:10 |
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| RST38h | [6~~ | 16:15 |
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| Zhilin_n800 | RST38h, the roof is on fire :) | 16:20 |
| Zhilin_n800 | RST38h, I'm happy that there were no people | 16:20 |
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| Zhilin_n800 | ok, my station, cya later chaps | 16:25 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: could you set mer.maemo.org -> wiki.maemo.org/Mer ? | 16:32 |
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| ideamonk | guys I've got an amd64 machine, and I think the maemo SDK doesn't support that well, I'm on ubuntu 9.04 amd64, is there a linux distro which installs 32bit over amd64 hardware. I've been able to use fedora 11 32bit on my laptop, but it seemed broken.. any suggestion for such a distro ? | 16:48 |
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| javispedro | ideamonk, I am using the maemo sdk 1 on my debian lenny amd64 machine fine, what's the problem? | 16:48 |
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| ideamonk | hmm installing over amd64 isn't possible right ? | 16:49 |
| javispedro | it is, but you have to install scratchbox manually | 16:49 |
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| javispedro | (does the scratchbox automated installer has an option for --force-architecture?) | 16:49 |
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| ideamonk | oh k, im gonna try again then :) | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | "It has proven difficult to obtain permission to utilize Foundation assets to obtain genetic samples directly from Pliocene-era life" | 16:50 |
| ideamonk | will let you guys know if i find probs.. gonna try soon | 16:52 |
| javispedro | ideamonk, the fremantle automated scratchbox installer definitely has an option for amd64 | 16:53 |
| javispedro | "-FUse dpkg --force-architecture for 64-bit Linux" | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | gahhh my twitter is not twittering | 17:09 |
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| GAN800 | lcuk, twitter is silly and bad for your intelligence. :P | 17:14 |
| lcuk | twitter is irc2.0 | 17:14 |
| lcuk | it suffices | 17:15 |
| lopz | hi | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | actually twitter reminds me much of personal irc channels + loggers tbh.. | 17:16 |
| thux | is twitter better than irc? | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | centralized structure | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | and with less line width :P | 17:17 |
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| * GAN800 chuckles at Talk. | 17:18 | |
| RST38h | But it is Web2.0! | 17:18 |
| RST38h | IRC is soooo last century, isn't it? =) | 17:19 |
| thux | which one take more bandwidth? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Web2.0 always takes more | 17:19 |
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| thux | ok | 17:20 |
| thux | irc is easy to use | 17:21 |
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| GAN800 | What (or which . . . ) idiot decided that it would be a good idea to let us flounder around with dead software and no new hardware for two years. . . . | 17:23 |
| Mek | I doubt it was a conscious decision... | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: i'm sure it's the same people deciding which libraries should be closed source ;) | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | last one in question is a library to print debug output.. | 17:26 |
| GAN800 | Mek, sure it was, somebody killed Elephanta. | 17:26 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, bugzilla. | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: i have a good bunch of bugs in my belt right now, but i did ponder a bug on "request for information on what the hell you smoked when you chose to close source these things" | 17:26 |
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| GAN800 | Just more community-killing idiocy from Nokia. They're getting pretty good at it. | 17:27 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, do it. | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: worst part is for some of it i can see the reasoning | 17:27 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, don't make it easy for them to release unjustified closed stuff. | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle will be the first "complete" implementation of the fremantle APIs, and you won't be seeing a fremantle clone right away on some random chinese device :P | 17:28 |
| GAN800 | Ah fuck, Sotomayor. . . . | 17:28 |
| lcuk | GAN800, if an event occurs and a development plan doesnt come along, no matter how many developers you throw at something, you cannot increase speed | 17:29 |
| lcuk | its like the baby making paradox | 17:29 |
| Mek | probably the waiting will soon be over... :) | 17:29 |
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| * qwerty12_N810 can wait for the next device. After all, it's not like it'll be released running Harmattan. | 17:30 | |
| javispedro | that's wisful thinking. I still think september is a too early prediction. | 17:30 |
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| * Stskeeps thinks it'll be september, tbh | 17:31 | |
| Stskeeps | in terms of how the beta2 code felt | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact they already started harmattan moves | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | also, my telephone is dying, i rarely talk to people on the phone, and i want a new device ;) | 17:36 |
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| GAN800 | It's probably never going to be released. | 17:38 |
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| GAN800 | They're just stringing us along. They're satisfied with keeping us from buying anybody else's product. | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, does anything actually make you happy? | 17:40 |
| * GAN800 can't believe they confirmed Sotomayor. | 17:40 | |
| GAN800 | Hello Constitution burning. | 17:40 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, not lately. | 17:40 |
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| GAN800 | I'm tired, lcuk. | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | :( | 17:41 |
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| * RST38h sells Stskeeps a RAZR | 17:54 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: if it wasn't for my k610i dying i don't mind it so much | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | it is the perfect tethering phone | 17:54 |
| RST38h | Not Siemens? :) | 17:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: what's wrong with it? | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: when it gets squeezed it dies :P | 17:55 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, I want an announcement, and I want Nokia to stop trying to kill the community. | 17:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: heh :P - is the battery loose or anything? with my K750i, and my W810, I had to use paper to keep the battery in place | 17:56 |
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| GAN800 | This slow death by idiocy and socialism the US is walking towards needs to stop, too. | 17:56 |
| RST38h | Oh man | 17:57 |
| RST38h | GAN: Will reading about the latest misogynist massacre entertain you? :) | 17:57 |
| RST38h | and...ehh...envigorate you? | 17:57 |
| Jaffa | GAN800: With the stuff happening at the summit, including the "co-creation" thing; Nokia've *got* to have got RX-51 into people's hands. Otherwise the summit's a bust. | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: That is why it is scheduled in Amsterdam. In the worst case, everybody can just get stoned. | 17:58 |
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| zap | What process is in charge for automounting memory cards? dsme? | 18:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ke-recv | 18:04 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, wouldn't put it past them. | 18:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (It uses scripts to do the mounting (dpkg -L ke-recv for the list) and the source can be found in the Maemo SVN) | 18:05 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, either that or 50 prototypes running the SDK beta 3. | 18:08 |
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| RST38h | Oh well, going to take a leave from this place of hope and lament | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | See you later gentlemen | 18:10 |
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| GAN800 | Gonna be a long day. | 18:12 |
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| javispedro | co-creation. smells like a marketing word to me. hope it's fun at least :) | 18:20 |
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| GAN800 | "Maemo Council" has now officially become the norm. :sigh: | 18:29 |
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| GAN800 | Well, as the new Maemo Council I've decided it's time for Nokia to make an announcement. | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | it's maemo.org council, maemo.org community council, or what is it again? :P | 18:31 |
| GAN800 | Maemo Community Council | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | and maemo.org = maemo community? :P | 18:32 |
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| Jaffa | GAN800: Where's "Maemo Council"? | 18:32 |
| GAN800 | maemo.org is the home of the Maemo Community | 18:32 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, from every Nokian I've seen mention it in the past two months | 18:33 |
| Jaffa | FFS | 18:33 |
| GAN800 | Most recently the co-creation email. | 18:33 |
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| Jaffa | We're not in charge of Maemo! | 18:33 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, Jussi in particular. | 18:33 |
| Macer | minisd is already out for delivery | 18:33 |
| Macer | ordered it last night | 18:34 |
| Macer | ! | 18:34 |
| Macer | tigerdirect has to be like 1 mile from my ups office | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa, I've don't bother trying to correct anybody anymore since they all jump down my throat when I try. | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | TigerDirect is evil. | 18:34 |
| Macer | probably the same building | 18:34 |
| GAN800 | Cheaper is never cheaper with them. | 18:34 |
| Macer | ? | 18:35 |
| Macer | they are like the walmart of electronics | 18:35 |
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| GAN800 | High shipping costs, poor service, frequently ship incorrect or broken items. | 18:35 |
| GAN800 | Newegg is where you want to shop. | 18:35 |
| Macer | ive honestly only had 1 problem with one of their items | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | Don't even think about processing an RMA through them. | 18:36 |
| Macer | GAN800: newegg used to do to me.... | 18:36 |
| Macer | what you said about td | 18:36 |
| Macer | ;) | 18:36 |
| Macer | they sent me a replacement vid card | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | Half the time you can't even process warranty claims with the manufacturer on stuff you've purchased from TigerDirect. | 18:36 |
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| Macer | and i had to pay to send back their mistake | 18:37 |
| Macer | and they told me they didnt have a passive card | 18:37 |
| Macer | when i told them in the order | 18:37 |
| Macer | it HAS to be passive and i dont want replacements | 18:37 |
| Macer | they were such douches about it i never ordered from ne again | 18:38 |
| Macer | over a $20 vid card | 18:38 |
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| Macer | after ordering tens of thousands of dollars with them | 18:39 |
| Macer | they were total pricks about THEIR mistake | 18:39 |
| Robot101 | how do you make oggs work on diablo? | 18:39 |
| Robot101 | I had it working on chinook but since I reflashed, neither of mogg nor the ogg thing work for me | 18:39 |
| Macer | tony hawk on yo gabba gabba | 18:40 |
| Macer | he looks stoned | 18:40 |
| VDVsx | Robot101, there's a deb package, afaik | 18:45 |
| VDVsx | oggsupport or something like that | 18:45 |
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| Macer | blah | 18:58 |
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| lardman | afternoon | 19:45 |
| woglinde | he lardman | 19:45 |
| lardman | hi woglinde | 19:45 |
| lardman | quiet, I guess everyone is glued to the cricket | 19:46 |
| woglinde | summer holdiay | 19:47 |
| lardman | ah, that too | 19:47 |
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| woglinde | he fiferboy | 19:47 |
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| fiferboy | Hello woglinde | 19:49 |
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| khertan_n810 | Hello ! | 19:50 |
| khertan_n810 | someone know where i can found information about hippocanvas ? | 19:53 |
| khertan_n810 | google isn t really usefull | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | khertan_n810, might be an idea to bob into #sugar or #olpc | 19:56 |
| lcuk | (sugar is v active | 19:56 |
| lcuk | evening guys \o (and lardman) | 19:56 |
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| lardman | hi lcuk, why am I not a guy out of interest? | 19:57 |
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| lardman | you heard about my breast augmentation? | 19:57 |
| lardman | just the left one | 19:57 |
| khertan_n810 | yep i see in the olpc wiki that this isnt a mature framework | 19:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | /nick lardwoman | 19:58 |
| woglinde | qwerty *g* | 19:58 |
| lardman | not quite the same ring to it | 19:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But it's more truthful ;P | 19:58 |
| lardman | perhaps more PC - lardperson | 19:58 |
| lcuk | lardman, no, you got yourself married | 19:58 |
| lcuk | you are an old fart now :D | 19:58 |
| lardman | ah, 'tis true, no longer one of the lads :( | 19:58 |
| lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 | 19:58 |
| lardman | and I'm sitting listening to test match special too, no pipe or slippers yet mind you | 19:59 |
| lcuk | khertan_n810, looks like it was replaced for sugar (the normal ui for olpc i believe | 19:59 |
| lcuk | qwerty has a pipe he would let you use | 19:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | s/pipe/bong/ | 19:59 |
| lcuk | :D i tweeted from liqbase last night | 20:00 |
| lcuk | qwerty, whats the difference between a pipe and a bong | 20:01 |
| lcuk | i thought they were all the same thing | 20:01 |
| lardman | ah don't worry, I have some wine on the go and am DSP hacking, so almost like crack | 20:01 |
| lcuk | :D ballmer peak | 20:01 |
| lcuk | http://xkcd.com/323/ | 20:01 |
| lcuk | i have a fridge full of bud | 20:02 |
| lardman | so true :) | 20:02 |
| lardman | not sure I'd go for Bud though, think I'd prefer to be at work than drink that stuff | 20:03 |
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| lcuk | lardman, you would prefer to be at work anyway | 20:04 |
| lcuk | you get to play the same games all day lol | 20:04 |
| lcuk | and probably have a faster net connection | 20:04 |
| lardman | nah, quieter at home now I have a shared office | 20:05 |
| lcuk | ooh, what happened then | 20:05 |
| lcuk | i didnt know you had been downsized | 20:05 |
| lardman | plus I have every bugger under the sun asking me questions at work | 20:05 |
| lcuk | i know how that feels | 20:05 |
| lardman | nah not downsized, dept was moved a few years back and out whole group was moved into one office | 20:05 |
| lcuk | i dont mind a shared office as long as i dont hear about WOW every 5 mins | 20:06 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | GAN800, hmm? | 20:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: if it ever comes back up, tell them that www.wowomg.com is an awesome resource | 20:07 |
| lcuk | it does every day | 20:08 |
| lcuk | i hear so much about mana and crit ratings and all that | 20:08 |
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| Firebird | hurray | 20:14 |
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| RST38h | back | 20:20 |
| RST38h | so, anything new? a late evening n900 release? | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: https://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorm_on_future_maemo_devices/ | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | -s | 20:21 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: http://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorm_on_future_maemo_devices/ (thanks Stskeeps) | 20:22 |
| RST38h | yea, seen that | 20:24 |
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| RST38h | unfortunately, using the phone right now, cant look at it | 20:24 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello Again ! | 20:47 |
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| Khertan_n810 | someone with a maemo sdk can compile for me and upload to extras devel this phython binding ? ( http://live.gnome.org/PyGoocanvas) | 20:47 |
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| woglinde | cant you compile it yourself? | 20:48 |
| Khertan_n810 | on the device nope | 20:48 |
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| Khertan_n810 | and the home desktop pc is still displaying : Hardware Failure | 20:50 |
| Khertan_n810 | ps i m in train connection could be reset by peer | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_n810, if you are reset by peer, hit him | 20:53 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 20:53 |
| woglinde | khertan hm | 20:54 |
| Khertan_n810 | yerga has done a great job on MaemoWordPy | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | the ui is really nice | 20:55 |
| Khertan_n810 | on Maemo | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | yeah its sweet | 20:56 |
| lcuk | how you gettin on with mcal and stuff? | 20:56 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 21:42 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:42 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 21:43 |
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| Khertan_n810 | Hello Again (copyright Apple Computer Inc 1984) | 21:58 |
| Khertan_n810 | !ping | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | pong | 22:00 |
| lcuk | whoa ! Khertan_n810 you got upgraded | 22:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | ? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | what happened to the Apple I you used to have | 22:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 22:02 |
| Khertan_n810 | Hello Again was the slogan of the Macintosh Plus _) | 22:03 |
| Khertan_n810 | :) | 22:03 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:03 |
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| Khertan_n810 | ... [extras-builds] [fremantle]: libquicktime 1.1.0+debian-1build1maemo1 FAILED Maemo ? | 22:09 |
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| woglinde | re | 22:30 |
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| sp3000 | hmm, I was going to complain about rsync in diablo extras I think | 22:35 |
| sp3000 | it gave me an update depending on extras-devel :| | 22:36 |
| sp3000 | some magic should probably check for that sort of thing | 22:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I believe the new packages for Fremantle is meant to do just that | 22:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | s/packages/packages interface/ | 22:40 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N810 meant: I believe the new packages interface for Fremantle is meant to do just that | 22:40 |
| sp3000 | ah | 22:40 |
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| k-s | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/98ki1/memphis_efl_based_incar_entertainment_system/ | 23:14 |
| k-s | please vote, comment :-) | 23:14 |
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| esaym153 | does pidgin work with the cam on the 810? or does any IM software work with the cam? | 23:42 |
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| `0660_ | i don't think so | 23:44 |
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| esaym153 | then what do I do with the cam? lol | 23:44 |
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| `0660_ | you can use it as a low resolution mirror :) | 23:45 |
| esaym153 | hmm | 23:46 |
| esaym153 | classic | 23:46 |
| AStorm | well, pidgin could work with the cam | 23:47 |
| AStorm | the cam is available via v4l... or is it? | 23:47 |
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| esaym153 | I don't know, I haven't tried anything with it | 23:47 |
| esaym153 | I think there is /dev/video | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | gtalk thingy uses the cam | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | and liqbase does | 23:51 |
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| VDVsx | gizmo also can use it, afaik | 23:53 |
| lcuk | hiya vdv | 23:53 |
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