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| mmatth | i checked the info for libc6 in sb2, and it's showing version 2.5.1-1eglibc12+harmattan+0m6 | 00:05 |
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| mmatth | in light of the error i mentioned previously, should i be expecting this to show up as version 2.8.x in order to run the x86 emulator? | 00:07 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I've got thumbnails stored in my database now | 00:07 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 00:08 |
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| Proteous | I keep my thumbnais firmly attached to my thumbs | 00:08 |
| Proteous | except for the bits I clip off now and then | 00:08 |
| fiferboy | It is much quicker to load once the thumbnails are stored, and it will update the thumbnail if the datestamp is different | 00:08 |
| woglinde | fiferboy hehe | 00:08 |
| lcuk | :) fiferboy nice | 00:10 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Thanks for the idea, I like it much better now | 00:11 |
| woglinde | fiferboy and sqlite is fast enough? | 00:12 |
| fiferboy | woglinde: It isn't blazing, but it suffices | 00:12 |
| lcuk | woglinde, i have a 100mb database | 00:12 |
| lcuk | and im doing basically the same as i was before | 00:13 |
| woglinde | lcuk hm okay | 00:13 |
| lcuk | depends how you are using it i suppose | 00:13 |
| lcuk | if you treat it like a desktop db it might get hairy | 00:13 |
| lcuk | woglinde, lots of apps use sqlite engine now underneath | 00:15 |
| fiferboy | I don't really like it for on-demand data loading, but that is how lcuk uses it | 00:15 |
| lcuk | with even bigger datasets (map apps) | 00:15 |
| fiferboy | I might have to look into going on-demand again, in a smarter way | 00:15 |
| lcuk | limit 1 doesnt make much difference btw | 00:15 |
| fiferboy | Dang | 00:15 |
| lcuk | thanks for suggestion | 00:15 |
| lcuk | its not bad, im probably thinking with rose tints ;) | 00:16 |
| woglinde | lcuk yes | 00:16 |
| woglinde | but there are some problems | 00:16 |
| fiferboy | Is it strange that my Qt application seems slower on the desktop (in virtualbox) than on my tablet? | 00:17 |
| lcuk | no, emulation is hard | 00:17 |
| woglinde | right | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | thats probably a good thing tho fiferboy, optimize it on the emulator which is slower - make it work well there, and it will be shithot where you need it | 00:18 |
| fiferboy | Okay, just wondering if it was possible that I made my program run slower on higer-end somehow ;) | 00:18 |
| lcuk | hows it run natively on the same machine | 00:18 |
| fiferboy | I haven't compiled it natively lately, but I recall it being much smoother, so there is probably no issue | 00:19 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:19 |
| lcuk | have you noticed that kinetic doesnt "feel" right on desktop with mouse | 00:19 |
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| mmatth | and when i try to update libc6 in sb2 i'm being told i'm already on the latest version. any ideas on getting off glibc 2.5 in sb2 to >= 2.8 ? | 00:19 |
| lcuk | i hate using grab-drag in acrobat (but love the little flexing hand mouse cursor) | 00:20 |
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| fiferboy | Yes, kinetic seems out of place with a mouse | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | mmatth, in sb2 you have harmattan libs? | 00:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: that is because you have to use a live mouse | 00:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: so that it is kinetically authentic | 00:21 |
| lcuk | i tried that, but everytime i try to display a file in the console it ran away | 00:21 |
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| lcuk | example: | 00:21 |
| lcuk | > cat myfile | 00:22 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Have you tried kinetic on mouse wheel scroll? | 00:22 |
| woglinde | hm | 00:22 |
| coldboot | Is there a way to give sb1 access to your home directory? | 00:22 |
| woglinde | I should try tbb at least | 00:22 |
| lcuk | coldboot, symlink | 00:22 |
| coldboot | Apparently I can't do hard links for directories, and sb1 doesn't like soft links. | 00:22 |
| javispedro | coldboot, bind mount | 00:22 |
| lcuk | make the symlink OUTSIDE sb | 00:22 |
| coldboot | javispedro: That'll be it. | 00:22 |
| lcuk | but pointing to the right folder | 00:22 |
| mmatth | lcuk, yes prerelease & current rootstraps | 00:23 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:23 |
| lcuk | coldboot, i did the same for a while using sshfs | 00:23 |
| coldboot | lcuk: So give an example? I have ~/scratchbox/users/nhooey/home/nhooey and I want it to point to ~/ | 00:23 |
| coldboot | Both of those paths are displayed relative to root, not inside sb1 or anything. | 00:23 |
| coldboot | I installed scratchbox in ~/scratchbox | 00:24 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I've had that problem too | 00:24 |
| johnsq | coldboot: hardlinks | 00:24 |
| fiferboy | Usually when I want to access something in sb from outside its fs I push it there from outside | 00:25 |
| javispedro | hardlinks don't work for directories neither cross-filesystem | 00:25 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Then you'll get synching problems. | 00:25 |
| coldboot | It would be nice if sb2 didn't suck so much. It's design is better. | 00:25 |
| johnsq | javispedro: iirc linux support hardlinks on dirs, but not across filesystems | 00:25 |
| woglinde | coldboot hm | 00:26 |
| lcuk | isnt it ln -s /home/coldboot /home/coldboot/scratchbox/users/nhooey/home/nhooe | 00:26 |
| woglinde | I had more problems with sb1 | 00:26 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Scratchbox complains that there's too many levels of symlinks. | 00:26 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: What are you trying to access? | 00:26 |
| coldboot | woglinde: Me too, but I hit ceilings in sb2 where something simply isn't possible. Like using gdb or valgrind. | 00:26 |
| lcuk | scratchbox shouldnt know its a symlink tho? unless its recursively scanning | 00:26 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I just want my home dir in scratchbox to be my actual home dir. | 00:26 |
| lcuk | when you make the link its not done as part of sb | 00:27 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Yeah I don't know what it's complaining about. | 00:27 |
| coldboot | lcuk: It is reading it from outside at some level, though. | 00:27 |
| lcuk | does it work when its not universe imploding? | 00:27 |
| Mek | you can use mount --bind to mount some dir somewhere else in you fs | 00:27 |
| javispedro | binding works pretty well and it's fastest, and since sb1 makes _a lot_ of bind mounts either way | 00:27 |
| lcuk | ln -s /usr/share /home/coldboot/scratchbox/users/nhooey/home/nhooe | 00:27 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Ah, that worked. | 00:28 |
| lcuk | and since scratchbox is normally installed in / | 00:29 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Ah, it's because my scratchbox is in my home. | 00:29 |
| coldboot | Hmmmm... | 00:29 |
| coldboot | lcuk: I'll put it in /home/scratchbox | 00:30 |
| lcuk | im lucky in that respect, my scratchbox machine is used only for sb | 00:30 |
| lcuk | in dev sense anyway | 00:30 |
| lcuk | so i just move all files into the correct sb portion | 00:31 |
| coldboot | I didn't have space on / | 00:31 |
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| javispedro | now that I can use my main machine for sb1, I just lvm-create'd a /scratchbox 10G partition, some binds, and are working very happy right now :) | 00:31 |
| lcuk | i just add the repos to my n810, and get the build-deps required and work happy too :) | 00:32 |
| javispedro | I still consider on-device development cruel :) | 00:33 |
| lcuk | its fast | 00:34 |
| lcuk | i just cant get my work off it ;) | 00:34 |
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| pupnik_ | "Apple earned just over $5 billion in the first half of the year, making it the fifth biggest player in terms of revenue, behind Nokia, Samsung, RIM, and LG. Apple lead the world in actually making money however, with just over $2 billion in operating profits." | 00:38 |
| copumpkin | I forgot the password I set on an n800... is there some way I can start it up in single-user mode to fix it? | 00:39 |
| pupnik_ | i thought they were goners in the 90s | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, \o many people did | 00:39 |
| copumpkin | I just need to recover some files in my home folder, so I don't want to reflash the whole thing | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | there's a password? | 00:40 |
| javispedro | copumpkin, you mean the "device code"? | 00:40 |
| copumpkin | nah, I mean my user password | 00:41 |
| copumpkin | I had ssh etc. set up on it | 00:41 |
| pupnik_ | did you change root pw? | 00:41 |
| copumpkin | using that red/blue pill thing that was hidden in the package manager, iirc | 00:41 |
| copumpkin | yeah | 00:41 |
| copumpkin | well, I think I did | 00:41 |
| copumpkin | do you know what the default is? | 00:41 |
| javispedro | if you can boot the device just install rootsh and do as you wish | 00:41 |
| pupnik_ | i did but not right now | 00:41 |
| copumpkin | it's rootme, but that didn't work | 00:42 |
| copumpkin | javispedro: yeah, it boots fine, I'm just stuck in the wrong user | 00:42 |
| javispedro | wrong user? | 00:42 |
| copumpkin | well I created a user on the device whose password I forgot :P | 00:42 |
| copumpkin | and now I'm locked out | 00:42 |
| javispedro | that makes no sense. the device boots root, then should su to "user", no way for you to get locked out unless you borked the init scripts | 00:43 |
| javispedro | and if you created an extra user, just gain root and do passwd as you please | 00:44 |
| coldboot | lcuk: It interprets the links literally and doesn't work. | 00:45 |
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| coldboot | lcuk: Bind mount | 00:45 |
| javispedro | and it's "rootsh", at least in Diablo | 00:45 |
| pupnik_ | javispedro: can rootsh gain a root shell if root pw was changed? | 00:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yes, rootsh is setuid | 00:45 |
| javispedro | ^^ :) | 00:45 |
| pupnik_ | handy | 00:46 |
| javispedro | afaik, root uses sudo | 00:46 |
| javispedro | rootsh is setuid | 00:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Which is why I left it in there :) | 00:46 |
| copumpkin | lol | 00:46 |
| copumpkin | john the ripper got it in 26 seconds | 00:46 |
| copumpkin | I'd set it to something really easy so I could let a coworker on | 00:47 |
| javispedro | not impressed. the tablet does not use shadow. | 00:47 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | With a device lock code that can be easily obtained; the tablet isn't about security :P | 00:48 |
| copumpkin | well I'm glad :P | 00:48 |
| javispedro | qwerty12_N810, I'm worried about that. If I put in a code, then shut the thing down, will I be able to recover? | 00:48 |
| javispedro | (of course having forgotten the code) | 00:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep. I once made a custom initfs image that spit out the code as the tablet started :) | 00:49 |
| javispedro | ah, nice :) | 00:50 |
| copumpkin | thanks everyone :) | 00:51 |
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| lardman | ~curse segfaults | 01:00 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, segfaults ! | 01:00 |
| coldboot | haha | 01:00 |
| coldboot | ~curse lardman | 01:00 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, lardman ! | 01:00 |
| lardman | oi! | 01:00 |
| lcuk | ~lart coldboot | 01:00 |
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| lardman | that's beyond the pale | 01:00 |
| coldboot | ~nice coldboot | 01:02 |
| * infobot lowers coldboot's priority | 01:02 | |
| coldboot | ~nice -20 coldboot | 01:02 |
| * infobot lowers -20 coldboot's priority | 01:02 | |
| coldboot | ~nice or rather... raises coldboot | 01:03 |
| * infobot lowers or rather... raises coldboot's priority | 01:03 | |
| coldboot | ha | 01:03 |
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| pupnik_ | i seem to recall someone had the bright idea for a bot that would respond to chat without any special metacharacter to invoke it | 01:28 |
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| pupnik | took care of that, didn't we | 01:29 |
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| wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/img_1677_540x405.png <- Zune HD is really sexy device | 01:33 |
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| nomis | eek. teh colors! | 01:34 |
| lcuk | wazd, aww, we cant call it a turd anymore | 01:34 |
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| javispedro | tahoma... | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | no need to swear | 01:36 |
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| wazd | I wonder if n900 will have proper color depth screen | 01:43 |
| wazd | It will be a great mistake to spoil such a baby with old screen :( | 01:44 |
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| pupnik | you mean 24 bit or what wazd | 01:45 |
| wazd | pupnik: yep | 01:45 |
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| wazd | I bought n800 mostly for it's screen :) | 01:46 |
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| Mek | don't the fremantle sdk instructions tell you to start xephy in 16bpp mode? | 01:46 |
| tbf | wazd: what do you call proper color depth? | 01:46 |
| wazd | I can imagine future buyers that will come to the Nokia store, look at the n900 and say "omfg, what a screen, gimme two!11" :) | 01:46 |
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| pupnik | i hope to see the n900 *in* stores | 01:47 |
| pupnik | haven't seen a tablet on display in germany anywhere yet | 01:47 |
| wazd | tbf: Like all modern displays (Pre/iPhone/Hero) - 24 bpp | 01:47 |
| tbf | wazd: well, 24 or even 32 bits means more data to transfer... causing higher power consumption | 01:48 |
| wazd | tbf: 32 is an overkill :) | 01:48 |
| tbf | wazd: and 16 bit with dithering can also look quite neat on 16 bpp i guess | 01:48 |
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| tbf | wazd: with that high screen res | 01:49 |
| wazd | tbf: yes, but trust me, they totally worth that power | 01:49 |
| wazd | tbf: that's not only gradients that look bad | 01:49 |
| lcuk | the screen can handle 24bit color, its just desktop resolution has option of being 16bit | 01:49 |
| wazd | lcuk: current or future? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | current | 01:51 |
| wazd | lcuk: oh | 01:51 |
| lcuk | running in yuv mode is 24bit colordepth | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | even tho desktop is 16 | 01:51 |
| wazd | lcuk: that sucks :) | 01:51 |
| lcuk | nahhh ;) just show people movies lol | 01:52 |
| lcuk | hows the kb now | 01:52 |
| pupnik | the physical screen on n810 can do > 16bpp? | 01:53 |
| lcuk | well liqbase runs and a pixel is 8bit luma + 16 bits of chroma | 01:53 |
| lcuk | 65k colors for each level of luma | 01:54 |
| pupnik | my brain must adapt to this information | 01:55 |
| javispedro | aha, so the one setting the inotify watchpoints is "gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend". ok, bring it to the party! | 01:55 |
| pupnik | i don't know enough how lcd controllers work | 01:55 |
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| wazd | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090208_205336.lib.scr.png <- well, this shot kinda proves it :) | 01:55 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:56 |
| lcuk | proves what? that its higher or lower? | 01:56 |
| lcuk | its normally me that digs out images like that lol, where did you have that saved ? | 01:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: that kiqbase runs in 24bpp :) | 01:56 |
| wazd | lcuk: google :) | 01:57 |
| lcuk | :O | 01:57 |
| lcuk | i have google images of my pics :D | 01:57 |
| lcuk | i didnt know that, i never clicked | 01:57 |
| lcuk | liqbase used to have nothing :$ | 01:57 |
| lardman | hmm, anyone noticed that GstAppSink isn't present in our version of GStreamer? | 01:58 |
| pupnik | so... apps can't be on receivingn end of an audio stream? | 01:59 |
| lcuk | they must be mustnt they>? | 01:59 |
| javispedro | with all that dsp trickyness | 01:59 |
| lardman | appsink allows you to manually grab at the data | 01:59 |
| lardman | rather than writing your own GStreamer sink element | 01:59 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: what version of GStreamer are you using with Mer out of interest? | 02:13 |
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| lardman | night all | 02:40 |
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| javispedro | timeless, just found this in hildonfm: | 03:09 |
| javispedro | This function checks if the given URI already exists in the model. if not, then a copy of it is returned unmodified. If the URI already exists then a number is added in a form file://file(2).html. | 03:09 |
| timeless_mbp | ok.. | 03:10 |
| javispedro | hildon_file_system_model_autoname_uri | 03:10 |
| timeless_mbp | was that in reference to my question about copying? | 03:10 |
| javispedro | yep | 03:11 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll have to wait for fremantle's file manager to understand my question | 03:11 |
| timeless_mbp | unless the string is public | 03:11 |
| timeless_mbp | in which case.. hrm | 03:11 |
| javispedro | dunno what you mean with "the string", but I found that in diablo hildon-fm docs | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | it's public! | 03:12 |
| timeless_mbp | msgid "sfil_ib_file_already_saved" | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | msgstr "File already saved in this location" | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | that's from the maemo 5 public strings | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine using file manager and trying to copy a file and selecting the same destination folder as the source folder | 03:13 |
| timeless_mbp | well, if it's public, i wonder if i can file a bug about it :) | 03:13 |
| javispedro | well, "the string" already appears to be on bugs.maemo.org according to google, so maybe you're late ;) | 03:15 |
| javispedro | in a bug.. filed by you btw | 03:15 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 03:15 |
| javispedro | #4052 | 03:15 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, gmail shows me having filed it | 03:16 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, ok, so hrm | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i prove that file manager is dumb enough to trigger this code path? | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't suppose you have sources for hildon-fm from fremantle <http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/libh/libhildonfm/> | 03:18 |
| javispedro | nope, my development model uses printfs and as such I need my n810 | 03:18 |
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| javispedro | up so far all I believe I've found is that ossofilemanager is a light wrapper over hildon-fm widgets, and in fact it seems my problem is on HildonFileSystemModel | 03:20 |
| timeless_mbp | not surprising | 03:21 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, the string doesn't seem to be present in that source ball | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | which means i can't prove we're using it | 03:22 |
| timeless_mbp | what a shame | 03:22 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 03:24 | |
| timeless_mbp | so, the current string makes no sense | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | the Mer string just says "Saved" | 03:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i.e. it lies | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but, if you try to copy A from B to B | 03:25 |
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| Texrat | :p | 03:25 |
| timeless_mbp | one could say that you've managed to save A in B, because, A is in B when you're done :) | 03:25 |
| Texrat | hey timeless | 03:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | hi | 03:25 |
| javispedro | ah, the philosophical question of personal identity, file edition :P | 03:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: the strings we have internally are amazing | 03:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't wait to rewrite them | 03:27 |
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| javispedro | gnite all | 03:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh, 3 bug jars? | 03:47 |
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| xnt14_ | wtf | 06:11 |
| xnt14_ | :P | 06:11 |
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| xnt14_ | b-man, your site is up btw ;) | 06:11 |
| xnt14_ | http://b-man.xceleo.org | 06:11 |
| b-man16 | sweet :) | 06:11 |
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| xnt14_ | look at the gallery | 06:12 |
| xnt14_ | ;) | 06:12 |
| b-man16 | really nice :D | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Texrat. | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Welcome to the Cool Cat's Club. ;) | 06:13 |
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| xnt14_ | tell b-man I had to go to sleep X( | 06:30 |
| xnt14_ | :P | 06:30 |
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| FireFox16 | hmm | 06:32 |
| FireFox16 | ~seen xnt14 | 06:32 |
| infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt@pool-96-232-136-95.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 23h 19m 50s ago, saying: 'im back'. | 06:32 |
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| chx | so ... if i have a regular 3.5" headphone can i just plug it in my N810 and it should work? | 06:52 |
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| Macer | wow | 07:07 |
| Macer | this n810 kind of sucks | 07:07 |
| Macer | the keypad is horrible | 07:07 |
| Macer | lol | 07:08 |
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| divide_by_zero | ...What PC programs work well with video calls othen than the official Gizmo one? | 07:15 |
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| Macer | divide.. nothing | 07:22 |
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| esaym153 | Macer: I think the keyboard is alright | 07:52 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/mips_android_port_open_sourced/ | 07:54 |
| RST38h | Oh god, MIPS Tech is still alive.... | 07:55 |
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| RST38h | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10237_Presenting_the_Cityman_450_ant.php | 08:15 |
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| RST38h | Please tell me it is a joke | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | N900? :P | 08:17 |
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| RST38h | worse | 08:17 |
| doc|home | RST38h: it must be, because I'd personally be tempted to take your fake-ancient phone off you and beat you to death with it... | 08:17 |
| Macer | installing carman now | 08:18 |
| Macer | heh | 08:18 |
| RST38h | either it is a joke (unlikely given the pictures) or someone at Nokia is feasting on toadstools. | 08:19 |
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| divide_by_zero | I would bet it[ s some king of gift celebrating nokias evolution, to be given at company parties, etc... | 08:36 |
| Luke-Jr | ROFL | 08:42 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:41 |
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| RST38h | Moorning Jaffa | 10:47 |
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| andre__ | he's here... | 11:35 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Just hiding.. | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: for kicks, try copying a file to its current location in file manager | 11:45 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: it'd help if you changed your real name to include (X-Fade) in bugzilla :) | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | Nah, that is the other me ;) | 11:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | it makes it harder for me to hunt you | 11:47 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Good. | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: so.... | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | get a gecko browser | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | load about:config | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | set the intl.accept_languages preference to "en-US,en;q=0.9,ja;q=0.8,fr;q=0.7,de;q=0.6,es;q=0.5,it;q=0.4,pt;q=0.3,pt-PT;q=0.2,nl;q=0.1" | 11:48 |
| timeless_mbp | then flush all your caches and try to load garage.maemo.org | 11:48 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Don't see any problem? | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: FF 3.5.2 | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.9,ja;q=0.8,fr;q=0.7,de;q=0.6,es;q=0.5,it;q=0.4,pt;q=0.3,pt-PT;q=0.2,nl;q=0.1 | 11:53 |
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| Macer | well | 12:37 |
| Macer | guess i need a $3000 upgrade to get my n810 to work with my car | 12:37 |
| Macer | why does this n810 nees less responsive with the screen than my n810 used to be | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | n800 you mean | 12:39 |
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| RST38h | Touchscreens lose sensitivity with time | 12:42 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: yes | 12:44 |
| Macer | n800 | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: it doesn't scratch as much though | 12:44 |
| Macer | RST38h: the n810 is brand new out the factory sealed box | 12:45 |
| X-Fade | Macer: Did you remove the protective film? | 12:45 |
| Macer | derf: around? | 12:45 |
| Macer | X-Fade: yes | 12:45 |
| Macer | had to, it had some sticker on it | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | Macer: Ok, just checking. A lot of people thing it is a screen protector ;) | 12:46 |
| Macer | that peeled off like a car registration sticker | 12:46 |
| Macer | where it leftg half behind | 12:46 |
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| Macer | X-Fade: i would have left it on otherwise | 12:47 |
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| RST38h | Macer: then it is weird | 12:53 |
| RST38h | Yes, Nokia has those ugly reflective stickers on its n810 films | 12:54 |
| * RST38h has absolutely no idea why Nokia just wouldn't ship devices with protective film that does not require immediate removal. Still using original Nokia film on E70 | 12:54 | |
| Jaffa | Hmm, COGL (Clutter's OpenGL abstraction library) could be handy for dealing with OpenGL/OpenGL-ES differences in SDK vs. device; and deal with the fact that Clutter-based window manager in Fremantle has the graphics context. | 12:54 |
| Macer | RST38h: ii know | 12:55 |
| Macer | my g1 has had its cover on itg for montths | 12:55 |
| florian | good morning | 12:55 |
| Macer | since i bought it | 12:55 |
| RST38h | I guess it is another instance of not really listening to customers | 12:56 |
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| Macer | you can buy 3rd party films | 12:56 |
| Macer | maybe it is a racket | 12:56 |
| RST38h | Yes, but why? Nokia already ships devices with the film attached | 12:56 |
| slonopotamus | meh, fremantle isn't out yet, but already obsolete as next maemo version will be qt-based. letz just skip it? :) | 12:57 |
| RST38h | And it is a semi-decent film too. | 12:57 |
| Macer | it is a great film | 12:57 |
| Macer | htc uses the same stuff | 12:57 |
| Macer | can still touch screen easily | 12:57 |
| qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus++ | 12:57 |
| Macer | and takes a diamond to scratch | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i still want the hardware though | 12:58 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: Why not skip on the whole platform then? | 12:58 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, don't get your logic | 12:59 |
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| RST38h | slonopotamus: Well, when Harmattan arrives it will already by outdated | 13:02 |
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| RST38h | slonopotamus: So, what is the purpose of using devices that become outdated before they ship? | 13:02 |
| RST38h | ehlo wazd | 13:03 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: And Gtk+'ll be available for third party apps, exactly as Python is now. | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: hrm... someone else had the same behavior i got... | 13:05 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, knowing that it is already obsolete destroys deside too write apps for it | 13:05 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 13:07 |
| wazd | hello all | 13:07 |
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| RST38h | He is basically right | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | why on earth on the day that i want to do something else, i get hit with a shitstorm of weird FUD? :P | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | (someone is claiming to vendors and forums and other places Mer destroys devices) | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | is this talk.m.o? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | no, other places | 13:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: You're not serious? | 13:11 |
| * timeless_mbp wants to read | 13:11 | |
| RST38h | Sts: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | FUD is good for digesting FOOD, right? | 13:11 |
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| RST38h | Sts: But, I mean, once I return from lunch, we can haunt the poor guy to eventual suicide or something | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm really wondering how you can destroy a device that is so low level hackable that you can make it boot your own boot sector and it can run from DC exclusively.. | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | as in, from SW pov | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is this a nokia device or something else? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: something else, afaik mer hasn't ever destroyed any nokia devices | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | nolo's too failsafe for that | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | cool | 13:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Add that to the fact that Mer has no reason to touch NOLO | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | but when someone is writing warning posts to people, IM'ing sellers of the devices, etc.. | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | instead of trying to fix the problem, that's just absurd :) | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | or even reporting it | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah: Ping? | 13:16 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, i think the difference with smartq and nokia devices is people are dualbooting with maemo still (or using the emulator) and from what ive heard of smartq, they are installing mer | 13:16 |
| lcuk | wholesale | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | apt-get dist-upgrade isn't working for me | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | in :Devel or in maemo? | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | :Devel is broken to bits at the moment as we're inserting FB2 bits :) | 13:17 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't understand | 13:18 | |
| Stskeeps | removing libhildonhelp and such causes a interesting amount of problems | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 13:19 |
| * timeless_mbp upgrades from vbox3.0.2 to vbox3.0.4 | 13:19 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | That shouldn't really be removed IMO. If it's not in Fremantle, I can't see any apps there conflicting with it and keeping it in allows more Diablo apps to run (well, the few that actually used libhildonhelp) | 13:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | OTOH, maintaining it to build against Fremantle components may be a pain in the ass | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: is there going to be a cname for packages.maemo.org -> maemo.org/packages/ | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yes, we did remove it :) | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Might be, but haven't requested it yet. | 13:22 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: so um... http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ | 13:22 |
| timeless_mbp | could you use letters instead of numbers? | 13:22 |
| timeless_mbp | 1 2 3 4 5 6 next » | 13:22 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't helpful | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: but yeah, i see your argument | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | we might re-add it eventually. but right now, we need it removed to see where our dependancies to it lay | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | giving me "A-Ap" "Aq-F" "G-R" "R-S" "T-W" "Y-Z" is better | 13:23 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp X-Fade: and increase the page size (e.g. double ;-)) | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: It really isn't meant for browsing. And yes, alphabetical index is on my list. | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: also, don't use multiple lines for multiple versions of the same package | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | stick the older versions into parens w/ commas after the latest version | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | also, make the columns wider | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-dbg | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | wraps | 13:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | Gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse-dbg is worse :) | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I'm happy to take patches :) | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm happy to give feedback on irc :) | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | you're using a bunch of divs instead of a table? | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | It would be nice if the database could sort by debian version numbers btw ;) | 13:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: it'd also be nice if the numbers weren't random | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | showing me 1..6 implies that 6 is the last number | 13:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | but when i clicked 5, it turns out there was a 10 too | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: -> upstream qbpager | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | also, Latest packages should really give dates | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | not just random 4 digits w/ :'s | 13:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | alternatively give me relative time "5 mins ago" "1 hour ago" | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpxview/ | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the releases thing is missing the left border of its box, is that intentional? | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: yes | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_intel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=5 | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | that page is unfriendly | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Well, it is default styling for maemo.org | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps you wanted an "N" in NOT_FOUND instead of NOT_FOUD ? | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: heh ;) | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Notice: Use of undefined constant MIDCOM_NOTFOUD - assumed 'MIDCOM_NOTFOUD' in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/list.php on line 69 | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | for people too lazy to click the link | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: http://trac.midgard-project.org/changeset/23093 | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 13:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | when does that roll out? | 13:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | Notice: Use of undefined constant MIDCOM_NOTFOUND - assumed 'MIDCOM_NOTFOUND' in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/list.php on line 69 | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's [a]live! | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't suppose you could make it *not* be an undefined constant? :) | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | lol, fix the fix. | 13:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | does http://svn.midgard-project.org/ have an anonymous user? | 13:41 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: svn co https://svn.midgard-project.org/midgard/branches/ragnaroek/midcom/ | 13:43 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 13:44 | |
| talig | Good day everyone :) Anyone up to answer some pesky gtk questions? | 13:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: i think you want MIDCOM_ERRNOTFOUND | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: lol, refresh the page already ;) | 13:48 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: 7 mins ago: http://trac.midgard-project.org/changeset/23094 | 13:49 |
| timeless_mbp | much better | 13:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: there are 4 instances of MIDCOM_ERR_NOTFOUND instead of MIDCOM_ERRNOTFOUND | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you should probably fix those 4 instances | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Not in my component, let me check the others. | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | midcom/net.nemein.organizations/handler/.svn/text-base/view.php | 13:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | or rather: midcom/net.nemein.personnel/handler/view.php | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I see 2 instances yes. | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | my grep doesn't discern between files and .svn files | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | so yeah 2, might as well fix them | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | yeah. | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | Fixed. | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras_non-free_i386/ | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | is strange | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | There aren't any packages. | 13:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, but there's a thing on the right | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't make me guess that a blank page means there aren't any packages | 13:54 |
| timeless_mbp | and please don't show "latest packages" if they aren't related... | 13:54 |
| X-Fade | As I said earlier. I've only implemented the basic needed functionality, everything else still needs to be refined. | 13:55 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: see also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=308799 where I start trolling for UI suggestions, so X-Fade can concentrate on features | 14:02 |
| X-Fade | Once the complete promotion chain works and is alive, I will improve looks and nice to have features. | 14:05 |
| X-Fade | But current interface is in release early, release often spirit. So yeah, rough edges. | 14:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: some of these edges that i'm highlighting won't be seen often once the system fleshes out | 14:08 |
| timeless_mbp | so, the only time to complain and fix is now :) | 14:08 |
| talig | Anyone with some gtk/pygtk experience? | 14:12 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: The relevance of bugs that won't be seen often is debatable ;) | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, lunch! | 14:15 |
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| lcuk | talig, fire away, if someone sees a question they like, they will answer | 14:29 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: um, http://maemo.org/profile/view/timeless/ | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | why does "2" "comments" give me an incredibly long bar? :) | 14:30 |
| timeless_mbp | aww sjgadsby has topped me in karma | 14:31 |
| RST38h | ah the horror | 14:32 |
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| lardman | hi chaps | 15:20 |
| RST38h | hello lardmann | 15:23 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 15:26 |
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| lardman | anyone know if the n810 has a microphone other than that in the headset? | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yes, in the body. | 15:35 |
| RST38h | lardman: it does | 15:35 |
| RST38h | at least Skype works both ways in it =) | 15:35 |
| lardman | hmm, mine seems to be broken then | 15:35 |
| lardman | oh well | 15:36 |
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| lardman | spent hours last night debugging GStreamer pipeline, then plugged in the headphones on the off chance and it works fine | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Note that when you use a headphone, it is disabled. | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | lardman: no matter if you have a mic on the headphone cable or not. | 15:36 |
| lardman | yeah, works through the headphone mic, not in the body | 15:36 |
| Mek | X-Fade: not true, I have used skype with headphones but no external mic | 15:36 |
| lardman | with that said the speaker is also playing up - works with headphones but not without unless I reboot | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | Mek: That doesn't work for me. | 15:37 |
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| X-Fade | Mek: And I believe me, I tried ;) | 15:37 |
| Mek | hmm.. strange... | 15:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, challenge him to single combat! | 15:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: ping | 15:42 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, , pong | 15:42 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, btw, did you finished the maemo zbar package ? | 15:59 |
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| lardman | yes, sorry forgot about that | 16:01 |
| lardman | let me upload the files somewhere for you | 16:01 |
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| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/ | 16:04 |
| talig | lcuk: Thanks, I was out for lunch when you answered. I got by in the meantime - thanks. | 16:04 |
| lardman | Jaffa: the MUD xml is in there too if you'd like it | 16:05 |
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| lardman | VDVsx: just added the binary too | 16:05 |
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| lardman | hmm, best check that the MUD recipe works, now that I think about it I had to tweak it a but | 16:06 |
| lardman | bit | 16:06 |
| lardman | VDVsx: I just updated the source packages, so check you've got the latest ones from that dir | 16:07 |
| VDVsx | lardman, ok, thanks :) | 16:08 |
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| lardman | np | 16:08 |
| lardman | am slowly plodding through porting the C interface to Python | 16:09 |
| lardman | got a bit sidetracked recently with some other things | 16:09 |
| lardman | s/interface/GUI code | 16:09 |
| lardman | just to clarify :) | 16:10 |
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| GAN8001 | How is it that the only case manufacturer that seems to be able to make something that doesn't look like hell can only do so because they clone Apple designs? | 16:11 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: cool | 16:17 |
| lardman | Jaffa: perhaps not so cool, I'm not sure if it works without a tweak... | 16:17 |
| lardman | but my tweak may just have been to change the cpu flags, was a while back now so can't rememeber | 16:18 |
| lardman | I'll have to try building it again and see what happens | 16:19 |
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| lardman | oh look at the time, back to work | 16:21 |
| lardman | bye! | 16:21 |
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| ShadowJK | gan801: antec p18x doesn't llok like hell | 16:29 |
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| ShadowJK | then there's that manufacturer with fortress-series of cases that look like something that came out of hell | 16:29 |
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| GAN800 | ShadowJK, mmm. . . . Subjective. | 16:31 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah | 16:32 |
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| ShadowJK | now 5 days and counting with n810 as only computer | 16:34 |
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| Andy80 | anyone of you uses ESBox? | 16:42 |
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| * Jaffa tried it briefly. Then tried v2 as a beta. It didn't work in the version of Eclipse I had, at the time. Started looking at the code. Gave up. | 16:45 | |
| talig1 | In pygtk: Is the best tabbed container a Notebook or is there something else? | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: I mean to try it again | 16:45 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa, I'm trying the "bundled" version... the one with all Eclipse... but it doesn't work... I get an error (I've told about it on #esbox but no reply...) | 16:46 |
| * Jaffa has his own Eclipse for PyDev, PHP and Java work; so didn't look at the bundled version. | 16:47 | |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 16:48 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=mckenzba@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 35m 53s ago, saying: 'really nice :D'. | 16:48 |
| xnt14 | hmm :P | 16:48 |
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| zpol | hola | 16:55 |
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| mmatth | Andy80, i used esbox for a little bit on fremantle. it worked great and then i switched rootstraps or reinstalled sbox (forgot the exact scenario) and it stoped showing local variables when i was debugging. i could still step, but couldn't view any data | 17:25 |
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| Andy80 | mmatth, ah... don't know... I'm getting this error: when I do "Validate Installed Packages" I get this error: Failed to query apt database | 17:27 |
| Andy80 | Cause: Failed to launch: Aug 6, 2009 2:37:44 PM: | 17:27 |
| Andy80 | .$ apt-cache dumpavail | 17:27 |
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| mmatth | i don't recall ever seeing that | 17:28 |
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| talig | I need some help with gtk Notebook - that won't show me tabs :( | 17:43 |
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| yerga | talig, add yournotebook.set_show_tabs(True) | 17:47 |
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| mmatth | there isn't any channel for sb2 is there? | 17:49 |
| talig | yerga: Already done. | 17:49 |
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| mmatth | if i'm in sb2 devel mode, how can i switch to emulate mode without exiting sb2 and logging back in | 17:53 |
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| Andy80 | very OT: does Twitter website work for you at the moment? | 18:04 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, nop | 18:26 |
| VDVsx | twitter clash :P | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | Andy80, http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/06/1524213 its actually just rubbernecking effect | 18:34 |
| lcuk | "is twitter down for you" | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | click click multi tab click click click refresh refresh refresh yup, its down | 18:35 |
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| VDVsx | bastards!!! | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 18:37 |
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| javispedro | hah. Slashdot's javascript as usual: "No matches were found. You may want to try modifying your search or lowering your color threshold to blue". on frontpage. | 18:38 |
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| krfkeith | hi | 20:05 |
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| Luddek | hi | 20:05 |
| krfkeith | I'm considering buying a n810, but can any tell me from their experience how good the audio quality is through heasphones | 20:05 |
| krfkeith | obviously, better headphones would be better | 20:06 |
| krfkeith | but, say, in comparison to an iPod | 20:06 |
| RST38h | ehlo all | 20:06 |
| RST38h | krfk: iPod is better. | 20:06 |
| RST38h | krfk: n810 is pretty good though, with two main complaints being low volume and slight background noise | 20:07 |
| krfkeith | ah | 20:08 |
| * mgedmin fixed the low volume problem by buying better earbuds | 20:08 | |
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| RST38h | ipod can do much less though | 20:08 |
| mgedmin | the user interface is somewhat cumbersome | 20:08 |
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| krfkeith | well, speicifically, the iPod touch, I've never used one before | 20:08 |
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| krfkeith | I would imagine that a dedicated audio player had better quality | 20:08 |
| krfkeith | just, FYI, I would never buy a POS like the iPod, just looking for a benchmark I can relate to | 20:09 |
| krfkeith | or alternatively, maybe I should wait for that RX51 thing to come out? | 20:09 |
| * mgedmin probably would buy an iPod if Apple'd allow him to upload some music from his Linux laptop | 20:09 | |
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| krfkeith | if I were to buy an iPod like device, I would just get something like an iRiver | 20:10 |
| RST38h | rx51 is apparently a phone | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | new info? :P | 20:11 |
| RST38h | well, sum of all the pieces | 20:12 |
| krfkeith | its a maemo phone though right? | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: the main issue is really that we see the platform and glimpses of HW through kernel | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle as an possible phone platform makes sense | 20:12 |
| Macer | well | 20:13 |
| RST38h | Sts: I have got a few more pieces to look at through my crystal balls | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | so we have no idea if rx-51 is just the developer unit we saw | 20:13 |
| Macer | n810 isnt that bad | 20:13 |
| Macer | keypad still sucks compared to the g1 | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | (which i'm hitting myself in the head over not checking what SD types it had..) | 20:14 |
| krfkeith | on another note, is it true there is a PSX emulator for maemo? | 20:14 |
| Macer | but yeah, just took some getting used to | 20:14 |
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| VDVsx | OMG, when they will stop: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/08/05/apples-new-low-censoring-a-dictionary/ | 20:35 |
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| javispedro | VDVsx, never, cause it seems not to affect apple sales at all | 20:36 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: Apple users *love* being screwed | 20:37 |
| RST38h | it tickles them in the right places | 20:37 |
| javispedro | (and, if one day sales go down, I'm sure the Steveness himself will do a keynote presenting himself as the saviour of the mobile application ecosystem) | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, true, only make some people really piss off (developers), not good thought | 20:38 |
| RST38h | Developers are insignificant, and Apple developers love being screwed too | 20:38 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, heheh | 20:40 |
| javispedro | I'm sure there's still someone at Apple marketing that _believes_ they're doing this for the benefit of the consumer | 20:40 |
| javispedro | btw if maemo wants to compete with Apple they should rename fremantle to "fremantel" (the newest typo). that word has the apple touch all over it. | 20:41 |
| javispedro | i'm sure it'll be a hit :D | 20:42 |
| VDVsx | :) | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Ah there is always someone at marketing | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | And in the legal too | 20:43 |
| RST38h | Especially in the legal | 20:44 |
| lcuk | why bother trying to emulate them. make your own path and if its worthy enough people will follow | 20:44 |
| RST38h | does not always happen like this :) | 20:45 |
| RST38h | whatever path you follow, you are not apple | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | but empires change and battlelines are redrawn, what is hot now may not be hot in 5 years time | 20:46 |
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| krfkeith | I'm sorry, but Apple as a company is retarded in so many ways | 20:48 |
| krfkeith | let's look at their marketing slogans | 20:48 |
| krfkeith | "Think Diffifernt" "The funnest iPod ever" | 20:48 |
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| krfkeith | I guess the poor grammar is reprsentative of their user base | 20:48 |
| krfkeith | heh heh heh | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/davinci-linux-open-source/2009-August/015134.html | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'll never be able to say maemo sdk is evil anymore :P | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | krfkeith they don't deserve mocking, they have done ridiculously well with their product. far better than i bet even steve jobs couldv imagined | 20:50 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, lol :) | 20:50 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps, you must try developing for PalmOS :) | 20:51 |
| krfkeith | lcuk: have a five minute conversation with some random person on the street, then you'll know why | 20:51 |
| krfkeith | as Winston Churchill said, "The biggest argument against democracy is a five minutre conversation with the average voter" | 20:51 |
| krfkeith | besides, people in the Apple store literally lie to get their stuff sold | 20:52 |
| krfkeith | not that other salesmen don't | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | cures famine, makes world peace tec etc | 20:52 |
| krfkeith | for instance, some guy was telling this woman that Photoshop doesn't exist for Windows | 20:52 |
| lcuk | every salesperson from the dawn of time has done that | 20:52 |
| krfkeith | so I butted in and told the truth | 20:52 |
| pupnik_ | :) | 20:52 |
| krfkeith | I know, but its so blatant, its funny | 20:53 |
| lcuk | my gf came back from the apple store one day after stumping them | 20:53 |
| krfkeith | in fact, Photoshop I believe is worse on OS X becaues it is tied to Carbon | 20:53 |
| lcuk | she went to get a bt keyboard | 20:53 |
| lcuk | for my nokia | 20:53 |
| krfkeith | heh | 20:53 |
| lcuk | they didnt think it would work | 20:53 |
| lcuk | so she pulled it out of her bag and connected it | 20:53 |
| lcuk | i was so proud :D | 20:53 |
| krfkeith | lol, I love going in there and playing dumb, before the iPhone OS 3 came out, and being like, how do you copy and paste? | 20:54 |
| lcuk | they know you are dumb tho | 20:54 |
| krfkeith | and then saying? Oh! you can't are you sure? because my WinMo thing from 3 years ago did | 20:54 |
| lcuk | thing is, they get paid to be there, you dont | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I had a problem like that with IBM XLC compiler | 20:54 |
| krfkeith | yeah, but I like to think I have some integrity | 20:54 |
| krfkeith | which I was I would never be in sales | 20:54 |
| krfkeith | heh | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeep: Spent about an hour on the phone with IBM. Had to give my name, employer, and address 3 times. | 20:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Has been eventually told that IBM will not support me because the product has been registered to our client | 20:55 |
| lcuk | :( rst | 20:55 |
| krfkeith | RST38h: IBM service is VERY annoying | 20:55 |
| krfkeith | I was on the phone with them for hours, must've gotten transfered 15 times | 20:55 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Told their "representative" to stick those DAT tapes up his well worn ass, hung up, switched to GCC | 20:56 |
| wazd_ | Apple is unique company. It can be great and retarded same time :) | 20:56 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: Ah, they also sent me about 3kg of junkmail a week | 20:56 |
| lcuk | ALL companies are the same | 20:56 |
| javispedro | I could not imagine a few years ago | 20:56 |
| javispedro | that Gcc would be used nearly everywhere | 20:57 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: Apparently, our corporate address got input into their database three times | 20:57 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: most of them are tough mids | 20:57 |
| RST38h | javis: funny, right? | 20:57 |
| wazd_ | lcuk: Apple is super great and uber retarded :) | 20:57 |
| javispedro | it was a _really_ bad compiler in its first days | 20:57 |
| krfkeith | Apple is so much worse than microsoft | 20:57 |
| krfkeith | it is no way a "great company" | 20:57 |
| krfkeith | ever | 20:57 |
| RST38h | javis: How long ago? | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | javis: Version 2.x was already pretty decent | 20:58 |
| krfkeith | and frankly, remind me what is so revolutionary about the iPhone? | 20:58 |
| RST38h | javis: Better than Boreland anyway | 20:58 |
| krfkeith | besides the pretty icons | 20:58 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: It is shiny. It works. | 20:58 |
| wazd_ | krfkeith: first smaptphone that just work :) | 20:58 |
| krfkeith | well, there you go | 20:58 |
| javispedro | gcc 2.x was the Be one I think. So that was usable indeed. | 20:58 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: Which is more than can be said about many other phones | 20:58 |
| krfkeith | see, I beg to differ, I had a WinMo PDA and a Treo and both worked without a htich | 20:59 |
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| javispedro | gcc 2.95.infinite I mean, I never knew where the rest of the 2.x series was | 20:59 |
| wazd_ | krfkeith: majority of users will not agree with you :) | 20:59 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: I have not seen a WinMo device that would work without a hitch | 20:59 |
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| krfkeith | the problems with WinMo are grossly exaggerated | 20:59 |
| krfkeith | IMO | 20:59 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: No major problems, just the sum of all annoyances | 21:00 |
| krfkeith | anything that doesn't let me install any application that I want is not smart | 21:00 |
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| wazd_ | krfkeith: I've used WinMo PDA's for 5 or 6 years. No, the're not :) | 21:00 |
| krfkeith | well what problems do you have? | 21:00 |
| wazd_ | krfkeith: had | 21:00 |
| krfkeith | ok, had | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | That is a seriously inflammatory topic | 21:01 |
| wazd_ | krfkeith: overall sloweness, rare hang ups, you should be uber wise to set up bt tethering :) | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Does not kill apps, runs out of memory | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | When it turns off, all apps have to be reinstalled afterwards | 21:02 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, it kills apps with 3rd party software :) | 21:02 |
| RST38h | No USB mass storage, have to use Sync | 21:02 |
| krfkeith | that was a problem long ago | 21:02 |
| RST38h | We are talking plain vanilla out of the box WinMo, ok? | 21:03 |
| krfkeith | ok | 21:03 |
| RST38h | May sometimes skip incoming calls, depending on the load | 21:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, plain WinMo is not slow :) | 21:03 |
| RST38h | I did not say slow | 21:03 |
| wazd | RST38h: utill you'll start to install software :) | 21:03 |
| RST38h | I said annoying | 21:03 |
| RST38h | UI taken straight out of Win95 and castrated even more | 21:03 |
| krfkeith | however, consider this, lets say I need App XYZ and Apple doesn't alllow XYZ, regardless of problems, if WinMo can run XYZ, for me, that would make it a superior device | 21:04 |
| RST38h | System APIs taken from the same Win95 | 21:04 |
| krfkeith | or rather, OS | 21:04 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: nothing can make WinMo a superior device | 21:04 |
| wazd | krfkeith: like I said, apple can ruin such a great hardware like an iPhone with it's retarded software policy | 21:04 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: WinMo is a single but sufficient reason keeping me from buying HTC hardware | 21:05 |
| krfkeith | hardware wise, there isn't much special about the iPhone, software-wise, I don't think so either | 21:05 |
| RST38h | Well, 3GS is using Cortex CPU | 21:05 |
| krfkeith | RST38h: WinMo 6 isn't bad at all | 21:05 |
| RST38h | So, hardware wise it is a bit of a step forward | 21:05 |
| krfkeith | not a quatum leap by any means | 21:05 |
| wazd | krfkeith: first device with wise using of new technology | 21:05 |
| RST38h | krfkeith: However you sugar the toad, it is still a toad, not gonna eat it | 21:06 |
| wazd | krfkeith: To my mind it's great | 21:06 |
| krfkeith | to my mind, its nothing but pretty icons | 21:06 |
| krfkeith | and gimmicks | 21:06 |
| wazd | krfkeith: good for you :) | 21:06 |
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| krfkeith | multitasking for the win | 21:07 |
| wazd | The fact is that pretty icons and gimmicks make solid user experience | 21:07 |
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| krfkeith | ok, but, pretty icons doesn't make a good OS | 21:07 |
| wazd | solid user experience makes good OS | 21:08 |
| wazd | thats the only point of OS | 21:08 |
| krfkeith | no, that makes a good GUI | 21:08 |
| krfkeith | you can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig | 21:08 |
| * RST38h is tired of people claiming that iPhone has no multitasking | 21:08 | |
| krfkeith | if the Mac OS X GUI were somehow ported to DOS 1.0, would that make it a good OS | 21:08 |
| krfkeith | RST38h: notifications don't count | 21:09 |
| wazd | krfkeith: iPhone does mt | 21:09 |
| RST38h | There is Unix like OS underneath | 21:09 |
| krfkeith | I understand that | 21:09 |
| wazd | krfkeith: full featured with jailbreak, small without | 21:09 |
| Corsac | just not user multitasking :) | 21:09 |
| RST38h | It multitasks just fine | 21:09 |
| krfkeith | exactly | 21:09 |
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| krfkeith | having the capability and making use of it are two different things | 21:10 |
| RST38h | Why don't you say "iPhone UI does not let you run more than one user app at once" | 21:10 |
| krfkeith | fine | 21:10 |
| krfkeith | call it what you want | 21:10 |
| Corsac | because nobody cares that the underlying os multitasks if it's not user-available | 21:10 |
| wazd | krfkeith: ok, what else except multitasking is on WinMo side? :) | 21:10 |
| Macer | hm | 21:10 |
| krfkeith | exactly | 21:10 |
| Corsac | so yes, in the end it can't multitasks | 21:10 |
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| krfkeith | hmm, WinMo, well let's see, its an Open platform | 21:11 |
| krfkeith | thats a big one | 21:11 |
| wazd | It can multitask with jailbreak | 21:11 |
| Corsac | you can always pretend you didn't understand what people mean by that, but… | 21:11 |
| wazd | krfkeith: since when it's open?)) | 21:11 |
| krfkeith | open source is not the same as open | 21:11 |
| krfkeith | by open I mean there is no approval system | 21:11 |
| wazd | krfkeith: you mean you can install everything you want? | 21:11 |
| krfkeith | yes | 21:12 |
| krfkeith | and don't tell me about jailbreak | 21:12 |
| krfkeith | that doesn't make it open | 21:12 |
| krfkeith | I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to use my device how I want it | 21:12 |
| wazd | krfkeith: iPhone has an App Store - you don't need to search for latest versions of the software | 21:12 |
| Corsac | being able to install anything might be problematic too :) | 21:12 |
| wazd | krfkeith: iPhone has a Jailbreak - with it you can use your device absolutely like you want | 21:13 |
| krfkeith | Ben Franklin: Those who would trade freedom for security [ease of use] deserve neither | 21:13 |
| krfkeith | wazd: did you not see what I said? | 21:13 |
| krfkeith | I can mod my PSP, and install what I want, but the fact of the matter is that the restrictions shouldn't be there in the first place | 21:14 |
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| wazd | krfkeith: Windows doesn't have the restrictions. And we have what we have now | 21:14 |
| krfkeith | the iPhone/Touch iis the quintecensial example of closed system | 21:14 |
| wazd | krfkeith: it's closed but it works for 90% of users | 21:15 |
| wazd | krfkeith: and it does it well | 21:15 |
| krfkeith | it would probably work for me, but, I cannot give money to such a ridiculous company | 21:15 |
| krfkeith | that freaking censors a dictionary | 21:15 |
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| krfkeith | pragmatically, it doesn't matter, but its the principal | 21:16 |
| wazd | krfkeith: you can give your money to the company that sells same os for 7 years? :) | 21:16 |
| krfkeith | likewise, instead of using OO.o, I could just pirate Office, but I'm not going to | 21:16 |
| wazd | or even 11 | 21:16 |
| krfkeith | wazd: if the OS works well for me, then yes, I will | 21:16 |
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| krfkeith | by that standard, I shouldn't use UNIX becauses its over 40 years old | 21:16 |
| lcuk | actually, im pretty sure dictionaries censor their posting and find the least offensive variation when choosing stuff | 21:17 |
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| wazd | krfkeith: I'm not familiar ith it but isn't UNIX is just a core? | 21:17 |
| krfkeith | UNIX is an operating system | 21:17 |
| krfkeith | by core do you mean kernel? | 21:17 |
| lcuk | go read urban dictionary for some common things - and then try to find same things in a regular one | 21:18 |
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| krfkeith | lcuk: your argument is flawed, regular dictionaries do have the colloquial definitions of "ass" "shit" and "fuck" | 21:19 |
| krfkeith | etc. | 21:19 |
| wazd | krfkeith: anyway, some people will giv their money to the company that blocks dictionary, you'll give your money to the company that sells same os abomination for a decade, and I will just buy hardware and use free os :D | 21:19 |
| krfkeith | wazd: do you work for Apple? | 21:20 |
| krfkeith | Windows being bad is so blown out of proportion | 21:20 |
| krfkeith | Windows NT is actually a very well written OS | 21:20 |
| wazd | krfkeith: I mean WinMo ofcourse | 21:20 |
| krfkeith | oh | 21:20 |
| krfkeith | once again, its still based on the CE kernel, but it has been updated | 21:20 |
| krfkeith | have you even used WinMo 6? Do you really think its fair to compare an OS from 2003 to one from today? | 21:21 |
| krfkeith | or whatever the last release of WinMo you used | 21:21 |
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| wazd | krfkeith: I've used PPC 2000 and win mo 6 | 21:22 |
| wazd | krfkeith: and all in between | 21:22 |
| florian | re | 21:22 |
| lcuk | this is apparantly a censored dictionary for symbian | 21:22 |
| lcuk | http://asia.cnet.com/downloads/handheld/swinfo/0,39001949,50002495r-39609620s,00.htm | 21:22 |
| wazd | krfkeith: Changes were unsignificant | 21:22 |
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| krfkeith | lcuk: just because someone else does it doesn't mean its right or accpetable | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | i recall the dictionaries at school were censored too | 21:24 |
| lcuk | i think they called it "abridged" back then | 21:24 |
| lcuk | but half the swear words i looked for i couldnt find | 21:24 |
| wazd | lcuk: you spent your youth in the Apple's school, haha :D | 21:24 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:24 |
| krfkeith | that isn't Apples to Apples | 21:25 |
| lcuk | krfkeith, at the end of the day, its their device - it doesnt actually matter | 21:25 |
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| krfkeith | censoring a dictionary for children or teenagers | 21:25 |
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| lcuk | censoring a product that kids can buy | 21:25 |
| lcuk | its not adult rated | 21:25 |
| lcuk | i agree with it | 21:25 |
| krfkeith | lcuk: by Comparison, China is the Chinese government's country, they can do what they want | 21:25 |
| lcuk | and they do | 21:26 |
| krfkeith | does that make it right? | 21:26 |
| lcuk | doesnt make it wrong either - if i could be arsed to protest about lacking the words fuck and shit and ass i would | 21:26 |
| lcuk | but its nothingness in the grand scheme of things | 21:26 |
| krfkeith | if this was the only thing, I wouldn't care | 21:27 |
| krfkeith | but it isn't | 21:27 |
| lcuk | so | 21:27 |
| lcuk | its apples problem | 21:27 |
| lcuk | go and bitch at them about it | 21:27 |
| lcuk | this is a nokia chan | 21:28 |
| lcuk | we can swear | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | unless you buy dictionary for symbian lol | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, lemon cheese cake | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: yummy | 22:18 |
| RST38h | (at least if it is the same thing I think it is) | 22:19 |
| lcuk | tis actually | 22:19 |
| lcuk | tracy also makes lemon n lime drizzle cake | 22:19 |
| * lcuk likes it when tracy bakes stuff :) | 22:19 | |
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| LinuxCode | lcuk, when do I come to visit ? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | when you can make better cakes than tracy lol | 22:21 |
| LinuxCode | dont challenge me, you might be surprised | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | hehe | 22:22 |
| lcuk | hah | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | ohh doh, I just realized something | 22:22 |
| lcuk | bring cake (and bacon) to the summit | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | I was going to buy a good coffee liqueur in Germany ;-| | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | I forgot | 22:22 |
| LinuxCode | meh | 22:22 |
| * LinuxCode wants to make Tiramisu with the family recipe | 22:23 | |
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| LinuxCode | from the age of 13, that ended up being my birthday cake lol | 22:23 |
| lcuk | you have made this before now? | 22:25 |
| LinuxCode | I know how it is made | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | I always watched my dad | 22:27 |
| LinuxCode | it was the highlight of my day/evening, when I knew he was going to make one | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 22:28 |
| lcuk | :D always the best way to learn | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | indeed | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | sadly, some recipes are lost forever now | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 22:28 |
| LinuxCode | but hey, that's life | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 22:29 |
| lcuk | you have them tucked away up there tho :) | 22:29 |
| lcuk | are you still using your tablet | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | ok, completely offtopic and random, i just found this | 22:32 |
| lcuk | http://www.hornoxe.com/farbige-rauchringe/ | 22:32 |
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| Luddek | heh cool | 22:32 |
| lcuk | smoke ring fights! | 22:33 |
| lcuk | who wouldv thought the star trek explosion designers had it right! | 22:33 |
| RST38h | "The $100,000 tool bag plunged toward Earth and burned up as it re-entered the atmosphere" | 22:35 |
| RST38h | That is 250 NITs | 22:35 |
| Luddek | RST38h didn't that happend long ago or is it another toolbox? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | wasnt that the lady who lost her handbag | 22:35 |
| lcuk | http://serve.me.nus.edu.sg/limtt/ | 22:38 |
| RST38h | Same toolbox, entering atmosphere above atlantic right now | 22:38 |
| lcuk | (i believe this is the original source of the fluid dynamics vid i just posted | 22:38 |
| RST38h | In vaguely related news, Apple has submitted a patent application for technologies which would detect device-abuse by consumers. The intent presumably being to aid in determining the validity of warranty claims. | 22:38 |
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| Stskeeps | hah | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | this is already done in things like SMART though? | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | scary, people find a way to add a usb port to q5 by ripping out bluetooth chip | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | hw hack guys are really going at it :P | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | also the stylus on a q5 is also an antenna or something.. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:48 |
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| k-s | http://www.vimeo.com/5983706 | 23:43 |
| k-s | now running on n810 | 23:43 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 23:45 |
| k-s | :-) | 23:47 |
| k-s | runs good | 23:47 |
| woglinde | hgaha the girl is nice | 23:47 |
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| woglinde | hm | 23:50 |
| woglinde | the kinetic stuff isnt perfect | 23:50 |
| woglinde | or the video suckz | 23:50 |
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