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nwidgeris there a channel for maemo mapper or should i ask about it here?00:45
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Jaffanwidger: This is the best one, AFAIK00:46
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nwidgerJaffa: ah, thanks00:47
nwidgeri was just wondering if anyone has gotten google street working with maemo mapper in the latest release (2.6.2 i think)00:47
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caotichere is a tricky one, I consume a lot of podcast, I have a gpodder both in my pc and my tablet, the problem being, that a lot of times I end up downloading tiwce the same media, because I am not using either one or the other device ... so is there a way to mirror/proxy the podcasts fro gpodder or other application like it03:04
* GeneralAntilles still wants to see network sync in FBReader.03:04
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caoticGeneralAntilles: yeah, but I am sure gpodder has to use some kind of database doesnt it ?03:22
GeneralAntillescaotic, seems likely, though I don't know offhand.03:23
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Macertouchbook is supposed to be shipping07:22
Macerso far nobody has received a tracking number07:22
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chxwhen i try to install gizmo, aplication managwer says "preparing for installation please wait" and hangs at about the middle08:12
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chxbah, command line :)08:17
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chxwow despite what the forums my brother (8500km away) installed Gizmo on his Windows laptop I installed on the N810 and video chat just worked.08:28
Stskeepsgizmo does work, skype not, afaik08:30
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chxStskeeps: that's what i just found out too08:44
chxStskeeps: i wonder tho can the device keep up with a bt headset too? i tried with skype the results were horrible08:44
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Snahtwhere is the best place to look for troubleshooting docs for modest email?09:06
johnxI don't really know if there's a central place for that kind of thing09:06
johnxhave you looked at any of the threads on
johnxand/or what problem are you seeing?09:06
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Snahtyea, although part of my problem is that i keep falling asleep midsearch09:07
johnxdid you have any promising leads in your dreams?09:08
Snahti found a bug in the bug tracker that half describes it.09:08
johnx<- had a dream about LDAP/SASL authentication issues the other night O_o;09:08
Snahtit talked about a gmail acct and a pop3 acct being setup and the background fetcher failing09:09
johnxyeah, seems to be a lot of ways the background fetcher can fail without anything noticing it09:10
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johnxif I could figure out how I got mine working after it stopped I'd tell you09:10
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Snahtwhat I'M seeing is that i get a message that i'v got X# of emails but no headers are retreived09:12
Snahtfor the pop3 acct, the imap acct is fine09:12
johnxthat's different than what I see, but I'm only using IMAP09:12
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Snahti should also try to troubleshoot this from an actual computer and not my n81009:13
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Snahti'll look more in tomorrow (and in my dreams overnight). thanks09:15
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man_in_shacktinykeyboard is whereitsat though09:15
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Woollyhey guys, has anyone tried upgrading gstreamer on maemo?10:31
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WoollyI'm wondering whether its pointless to compile the latest version of gstreamer for the n810, will this work?10:53
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RST38hWoolly: Afaik MAemo gstreamer is heavily adapted to the hardware11:10
RST38hBut I may be wrong11:10
WoollyRST38h: damn, thanks11:10
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Jaffagstreamer *itself* is still the base framework without heavy customisation (AIUI). But there are output plugins specific to the N8x0 hardwar11:14
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Woolly_RST38h: do you if the gstreamer version will be upgraded at all?11:22
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RST38hNot in Diablo.11:25
Woolly_double bums11:26
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RST38hSts: No, I think Nokia will fly you to .FI and interrogate there11:32
RST38hSts: Ask Lcuk for details on their techniques =)11:32
Stskeepspoint taken11:32
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lcukthat wasnt interrogation, it was friendly questions11:34
lcukand i should have just told them where i had hidden the bacon :(11:34
Stskeepsstockholm syndrome, eh :P11:35
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Woolly_has anyone done any work with gstreamer, I'm having difficulty recording AVI files and playing them back?12:04
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Woolly_I can record something, but not at the correct framerate. The metadata is being put into the file as 15fps, but it's not recording at 15fps, even though I have specified it to.12:05
X-FadeJaffa: I have fixed the promotion issue and was able to promote your app to the queue.12:06
lcukthe camera is most likely grabbing frames at 15fps (thats a natural rate for the onboard cam)12:06
lcukbut you are probably getting lag doing the encoding12:06
lcukWoolly_, what res12:07
* lcuk waves @ X-Fade 12:07
Woolly_lcuk: i'm not doing any encoding yet, just muxing it to avi12:07
X-Fadehi lcuk12:07
Woolly_lcuk: and it's the ximagesrc, rather than the camera source12:07
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Woolly_lcuk: oh and its 800x480 resolution iirc12:08
lcuk800*480 video playback doesnt happen quickly, have you tried the movie on desktop to see12:08
Woolly_I've been using Quicktime to single step through my frames12:08
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lcukoooer, dunno then, just noting the things ive noticed12:09
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Woolly_lcuk: I made an app that increments every second, but also displays hundredths of a second12:09
Woolly_lcuk: i record that on the screen, but only get one frame per second :(12:09
Woolly_lcuk: I'll keep trying, thanks for the input though!12:10
lcukyou need to slow down time somehow, i think in #witches they have a potion for that12:10
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lcukor you could ask in #wow12:10
Woolly_haha true12:10
RST38hWoolly: Use direct fb access12:11
Woolly_fb access?12:11
RST38hOh, you can't record at 15 fps12:11
RST38hThat is different12:11
Woolly_ah okay12:12
Woolly_i'm confused :D12:12
RST38hthat is normal when dealing with gstreamer12:12
Woolly_not being able to record at 15fps?12:12
Woolly_or being confused12:12
RST38hbeing confused12:13
Woolly_all this pipeline malarky12:13
RST38hAnother self-sustaining API12:13
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RST38hOnly existing to satisfy its authors desire to create "great APIs"12:13
RST38hWoolly: When recording are you also getting live picture on the screen?12:14
Woolly_I just want to be able to record what's on the screen at 15fps, which isn't looking possible :(12:14
RST38hYou are not using the camera, you just want to record a screencast, right?12:14
Woolly_RST38h: exactly12:15
Woolly_but I had to compile the from source, because the tablet didn't have it12:15
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RST38hOk I got it12:15
RST38hThere is a stupid, bullet proof way to do it12:15
Woolly_RST38h: ears are open:D12:16
RST38hYou want to open(/dev/fb0) and mmap() it12:16
RST38hThen you can access the frame buffer contents at any time, as often as you wish and the CPU allows you to12:16
Woolly_do you think that would allow me to record at 15fps?12:17
Woolly_and what makes that way stupid?12:17
RST38hDepends on what else you are doing with that tablet12:17
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RST38hWell, it disregards all APIs12:17
Woolly_ahh true12:17
Woolly_regarding doing stuff with tablet, just general things, maybe some light web browsing, note taking that sort of thing12:18
RST38hIt should be pretty portable though, as long as you care to read and analyze display info via ioctl12:18
Woolly_nothing like watching files12:18
RST38hOk, let us do a little math12:19
RST38hA screenful of data is 800x480x2=750kB12:19
RST38hAt 15fps, you are looking at 11.25MB of data a second12:19
RST38hYou want to read that from SDRAM (relatively fast, no problem there) and write it to a file (NAND flash, dead slow)12:20
RST38hThe second part is most likely going to be your problem12:20
Woolly_I've just had a flash of inspiration12:21
Woolly_do you know how filesink writes to disk in gstreamer?12:21
RST38hTo make it a bit more realistic, compress data using RLE as you read it from the frame buffer12:21
RST38hNo idea, but probably using the saeme write() call as everybody else12:21
Woolly_I'm not really sure how that works, but does it write in blocks?12:21
RST38hIt does12:22
Woolly_rather than continuous12:22
RST38hWell it writes continuously in blocks12:22
Woolly_ahh yes12:22
Woolly_so if I have a gstreamer pipeline with a queue before the filesink, and the filesink is a lot slower than the data is being put into the queue12:22
RST38hYes, you are fucked.12:23
Woolly_the filesink wont get all the data12:23
Woolly_it'll grab some, write some, grab some write some12:23
Woolly_and when it's grabbed some, the queue will unblock and let a bit more data into the queue12:23
RST38hif you are using gstreamer, the idea would be to put a compression module between12:24
RST38hof course, compression algorithms also eat time12:24
Woolly_I was using an jpegenc, but it wasn't really working very well12:24
infobotWoolly_ meant: I was using a jpegenc, but it wasn't really working very well12:24
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RST38hIf I were doing it, I would write an assembly routine that reads the screen, compresses it using RLE on the fly, and dumps it into a buffer. I would then write the buffer to disk12:25
pupnik_wow, the guy who played 'Manuel' on Fawlty Towers was a german (and a very intelligent person in interviews)12:25
Woollyand do you think that would be pretty nippy?12:25
RST38hNo idea but it would be the best bet12:25
Woollysweet, that's food for thought. Thanks for the input :)12:26
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lcukWoolly, vnc2swf - offload the recording itself to a different machine and just have the device pushing vnc data12:30
RST38hI do not think transferring 11+MB a second over WiFi will be that much faster =(12:31
lcukwith vnc you dont transfer everything12:31
RST38hunless the display changes that is :)12:31
WoollyI had thought of studying individual frames and doing some kind of delta compression12:31
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talig1gtk/hildon question: Is there a way to get the icon in the application menu larger than 26x26? [obviously there is a way, because some of them are, but no luck finding instruction online ...)12:31
lcukand you do not have the excessive io stuff of recording to an mmc12:31
RST38htalig1: just supply 40x40 icon12:32
Woollywhat would happen if I used a faster MMC, do you think it would be massively improved?12:32
RST38hWoolly: You are limited by the underclocked MMC interface in N8x012:32
WoollyRST38h: damn :(12:32
RST38hThere are speed tests of that on the Net, google for them12:32
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Woollywill do12:33
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taligRST38h: Trying...12:36
taligRST38h: It doesn't work :(12:36
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talig1RST38h: Sorry, I have connection problems today. Any other ideas?12:42
X-Fadejeremiah: ping?12:42
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RST38htalig1: No. It should work.12:44
RST38hJust a second.12:44
talig1RST38h: It really doesn't :( And every tutorial/instruction/documentation  page that I found specified: You need 26x26 png :/12:45
RST38hYou actually need 3 pngs12:46
RST38hWhich are used in different parts of the UI12:46
RST38hLet me find an example though12:46
talig1RST38h: Thanks a lot!12:46
RST38hOk, here it goes:12:48
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RST38hIn your makefile, when you are installing to the device, install three icons like this:12:49
plastunI have installed espeak ant it's say nothing (12:49
talig1RST38h: I'm following.12:49
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talig1RST38h: Check. What do I write in the app.desktop then?12:50
RST38hSame as always, your app name12:51
RST38hIn my case it is fmsx12:51
RST38hNow, in your postinst script, make sure you have these:
RST38hThis will insure that Hildon knows about all your new icons12:51
talig1RST38h: Anywhere that explains how to add a postinst script?12:54
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Jaffatalig1: is also useful12:55
talig1Jaffa:  I've seen it... I was missing explanations.12:56
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talig1RST38h: The addition to the Makefile - where should I put it? I have a python app, so I basically have a makefile which is just a wrapper for
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taligRST38h: I must be doing something wrong. It's not working... :/ I did it manually, so instead of the install command I used cp+chmod13:06
taligRST38h: and then I manually ran all of the update commands from the postinst script. Nothing :( I still get the ugly 4-gray-squares icon instead  of the one that I want...13:07
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RST38hmmm...let me go get lunch and then we will figure something out.13:10
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taligRST38h: Thanks a bundle and bon apetite! :)13:12
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VDVsxwazd, ping13:48
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RST38hmoo VDVsx wazd14:00
RST38htalig: Returning to our sheep14:00
RST38htalig: You are saying you see those four squares as an icon. Could you specify WHERE?14:00
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VDVsxmorning RST38h :)14:00
RST38hDo you see them in the task manager bar (left side of desktop screen) or in the menu?14:00
wazdRST38h: heya :)14:02
wazdRST38h: I got this apple-like keyboard :)14:02
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VDVsxwazd, will add your summit banner here: , ok ?14:07
Passelihello, anyone using eclipse 3.4 + esbox 2.0beta ?14:07
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Passelii cannot create debug configuration, it complains: Cannot determine build target for project.14:08
Passeliin main tab14:08
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JaffaX-Fade: looks like promotion OR bugs fixed. Want me to have a go at promoting Attitude again?14:10
RST38hwazd: is it good or just good enough? =)14:11
JaffaAh, X-Fade's already done it. Cool.14:11
* RST38h promptly throws up at Eclipse14:11
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DarwinSurvivor_now THAT was a weird fix to my audio-cd problem...14:16
DarwinSurvivor_apparently normal cds (data) are mounted by hal (thus user can read just fine), but since audio cds have no fs (thus not handled by hal), they need to be accessed directly, required the user to be in the OPTICAL group!! lol14:17
t_s_osounds like a bit overly restrictive...14:19
RST38hIsn't there a special file system type for audio CDs?14:19
trogdornot really, but one can be "simulated"14:25
wazdRST38h: it's pretty good, especially for it's price :)14:25
trogdorOS X does something similar.  It presents audio tracks as .AIFF audio files, which can be "copied" to another volume.  The "copy" operation just "rips" the tracks to .AIFF, heh14:26
RST38hWindoze seems to present tracks as files as well14:28
RST38hwazd: Got the Blue LED (tm)? =)14:28
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t_s_oi think konqueror shows content as files, that one can "copy" in different formats. not sure about nautilus or thonar as its been ages since i stuffed a audio cd in a pc14:31
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RST38hI am pretty sure it has nothing to do with Konqueror itself14:33
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wazdRST38h: surprisingly no, only green and yellow one :)14:38
RST38hat least they know something about style14:41
RST38hIs the green one the "true" green one (like one in N810) or the standard color (like AL307G)?14:42
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wazdRST38h: salad green, just like generic green led :)14:44
RST38hah...Apple has got a true green one there =)14:44
wazdRST38h: btw I don't like short l-shift and small enter on alu-kb :)14:45
wazdI've fixed awful logo on the space with black marker :)14:48
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taligRST38h: Sorry, I was out for  lunch :) I see them both in the task manager bar, and in the application menu (i.e. click the blue-green icon, go to Extras, next to my app - ugly gray iocn)14:56
Stskeepswazd: do you consider 18x18 statusbar items 'easy' to hit?14:58
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tali-away-mtgRST38h: Had to jolt for a meeting. BBS14:58
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wazdStskeeps: don't think so :)15:06
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wazdStskeeps: why so small?15:06
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Stskeepswazd: that's what it is in fremantle15:11
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wazdStskeeps: cool :)15:14
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wazdStskeeps: why not 5x5? :P15:15
Stskeepsi'm just pondering the reasoning :P15:15
wazdbtw, are they still hard-limited in width?15:15
Stskeepsexcept for clock or something15:16
wazdI'd rather allow the developer to make it's own width and give him some guidelines15:16
wazdand limit the height15:17
Stskeepsstatusbar is a bit weird to me15:17
RST38htalig: Ok15:18
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RST38htalig: In other words, your app name does not correspond to your icon name15:18
Stskeepsroope: are fremantle status area items exclusively meant as informative? even though they're clickable, 18x18px seems a bit small to me to hit15:19
RST38htalig: Can I please see your .desktop file? (use pastebin)15:19
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lcukStskeeps, didn't you hear, the n900 comes with a magnifying glass and nano stylus :D:D15:36
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tbfStskeeps: the entire status area acts as one single button and opens a larger status menu with individual buttons15:38
tbfStskeeps: those tiny icons are not individually clickable15:38
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Stskeepstbf, interesting15:39
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wazdtbf: hmmm15:40
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* RST38h finally found a properly flammable thread on itt15:49
RST38hParty time, hehe15:49
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wazdRST38h: should I call fire brigade?)15:51
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StskeepsRST38h: better not be the community SSU or one of the Mer threads..15:51
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RST38hwazd: I suggest we enjoy an inferno first, then involve two other necessary components of a good show (i.e. water flowing and people at work)15:51
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RST38hSts: Naah, it's one of thhose texrat's threads15:52
RST38hSts: Not the moralizing one, so should be less mud15:52
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JaffaRST38h: Is it the one which is going on about evolution or DNA or somesuch?16:09
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RST38hJaffa: I *think* so, although that fiber has been cut (thankfully)16:10
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roopeThe one where I'm writing stuff? :)16:12
roopeI hope that people won't get shitfaced over "perhaps we're not the best examples over what mass market consumers want from their devices".16:12
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sjgadsbyroope, you're being reasonable again. You know that always makes threads explode.16:17
Jaffaroope: Well, experience to date would suggest you're right ;-)16:17
roopeIt's not a very popular message. :)16:17
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roopeBecause people somehow jump off the cliff into "they don't care about us at all".16:18
roopeWhich is rather black and white. Of course we care _the most_ about our current users.16:18
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wazdroope: no you're not!16:20
wazdroope: :D16:20
roopeWell, I don't mind being sometimes unpopular.16:20
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wazdscrew users, the only way to make something good - to make it for yourself :)16:21
GAN8001roope, I call BS on that.16:21
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roopeIt's just a shame that if I say that "just saying that ABC sucks" isn't perhaps the most helpful kind of feedback, somebody reads me as "you don't care about feedback at all".16:22
roopeSometimes caring about something or someone != doing exactly what someone says.16:22
GAN800That's Talk learn to love it or bitch about it elsewhere.16:22
roopeI do love it. :)16:23
GAN800(like here)16:23
* GAN800 doesn't care for it.16:23
GAN800Makes me feel dirty these days.16:23
thuxroope: is disney's rich man uncle scrooge16:26
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tali-away-mtgRST38h: Still around?16:27
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RST38hNeed to see your .desktop file.16:28
RST38hActually, I seem to already know what is going on but need to see the file just in case16:28
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javispedrodoes anyone remember a bug where deleting a file in the file manager would result in the file being deleted but NOT disappearing from the file list view? I remember reading it once but can't find it now16:28
taligRST38h: No problem. Pasting the content in some pastebin. Just a sec16:29
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taligRST38h: I think I understand what you mean now...16:30
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slonopotamusanyone knows what setting makes kernel know that it needs to run initfs?16:30
slonopotamusto mount it to / and run init from it16:31
javispedroisn't it hardcoded?16:32
qwerty12_N810slonopotamus: cmdline being root=1f0316:32
taligRST38h: Thanks a million - works like a charm! :D16:32
slonopotamusqwerty12_N810, oh! loader passes it?16:32
qwerty12_N810nope, it's in kernel16:32
slonopotamusahha, CONFIG_CMDLINE16:33
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taligRST38h: Could I use your counsel for a related issue then? I can't seem to be able to embed the 'install -m. ..' lines you suggested in my makefile :( Claims there's a missing separator when I try to build the package...16:34
slonopotamusi'm trying to run custom kernel but all i get is black screen and lighting led :( and shutdown after 10-15 seconds (wd i suppose)16:34
slonopotamusany way to see if it outputs smth to console?16:35
javispedroserial cable? (this would be nice...)16:36
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slonopotamuserr... i'm supposed to take usb cable and turn one of its ends into smth connectable to pins near battery?16:37
javispedronope, I believe it is more a MAX232 thing16:38
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Jaffajavispedro: Sounds like a timeless bug16:40
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javispedroslonopotamus, either way ask e.g. solca (nitdroid), he's booting a custom kernel, with r&d mode and all that16:41
javispedroJaffa, did it exist or I dreamt it? :)16:41
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RST38htalig: found the problem?16:42
taligRST38h: With the icon - yes.16:42
RST38htalig: you should have 3 icon entries there and your icon filenames should be compliant16:42
taligRST38h: Could you maybe assist with the makefile?16:42
javispedroI'm now hitting that bug consistently, all because I've set a custom MYDOCSDIR16:43
javispedroalready downloaded hildonfm source :)16:43
qwerty12_N810javispedro: ossofilemanager is hardcoded to ~/MyDocs in places :(16:44
javispedroqwerty12_N810, you're right, but I have my hopes up since monitoring is done through hildonfm & gnomevfs16:45
RST38htalig: Depends on what it is16:45
qwerty12_N810Ah right, good luck with it16:45
RST38hjavis: that is because you are messing with it =)16:46
javispedrothe default location of the MyDocs folder is useless16:46
RST38hjavis: A symbolic link from ~/MyDocs usually does the job16:46
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RST38hjavis: Although it has got a few other unpleasant implications16:46
javispedroRST38h, surprise me :)16:46
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Jaffajavispedro: I'm running with a custom MYDOCSDIR and microb won't let me open anything directly16:47
taligI can't seem to be able to embed the 'install -m. ..' lines you suggested in my makefile :( Claims there's a missing separator when I try to build the package...16:47
RST38hjavis: metalayer-crawler is said to dislike it (although I have not noticed it on my device)16:47
RST38htalig: You are prepending them with a TAB, aren't you?16:47
RST38htalig: And you have got "install:" target in front of them?16:48
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javispedroJaffa, what you mean? I just did File -> Open file from browser and it worked16:48
RST38hAh, shit, let me just paste my whole makefile16:48
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RST38htalig: Notice that some of these targets refer to the makefile in the parent directory, where my actual source code is16:50
Jaffajavispedro: Click on a link to an MP3 file and I get the "[Open] [Save] [Cancel16:50
Jaffa]" dialogue. But "Open" is greyed out. Tapping it says "insufficient resources"16:50
RST38htalig: So you should change them according to your setup16:50
javispedroJaffa, WORKSFORME. $MYDOCSDIR=/media/mmc2/MyDocs16:51
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Jaffajavispedro: Same for me. Ho hum.16:52
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javispedroit's also streaming the file, cause it was a 3 MiB file and mediaplayer started instantly16:54
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GAN800RST38h, Nokia slowing down to evolution to climate change. . . . Urg.16:59
javispedroI made the error of subscribing to that topic in its first days... my modest cache is now 10MiB and it was cleaned a week ago17:01
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GAN800RST38h, also, and you wouldn't know this an someone who doesn't use Apple, but the whole reliability thing is largely a myth.17:02
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GAN800javispedro, Talk: The Home of Offtopic Logical Fallacies.17:03
cbx3331hi all17:03
cbx3331who's a good hardware guru here?17:03
cbx3331the n81017:03
cbx3331internally what does teh screen use?17:03
cbx3331is it vga?17:03
GAN800No, it's an lcd connector.17:04
Stskeepsspecial lcd connector afaik17:04
cbx3331so no way of integrating it with something else?17:04
cbx3331not a particularstandard that you can get a converter for?17:04
javispedroif you want to drive a external screen, there is xsisusb
cbx3331no i want to drive that screen17:05
cbx3331from an external device17:05
cbx3331i want to rip it's tiny little screen out :)17:05
GAN800Then you need something with an LCD header.17:08
GAN800Beagle Board or such.17:08
GAN800Or build your own adaptor.17:08
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cbx3331thanks guys17:08
* javispedro remembers the displaylink driver was gpl'd not too much ago and that he has a displaylink-enabled display17:09
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taligRST38h: Right on the money. I can't believe I always forget this. We're two developers working on this thing, and I changed my GVIM to replace tabs with spaces17:15
taligRST38h: Thanks you so much17:16
RST38hyou are welcome.17:17
RST38hPICO will not change your tabs with spaces. In fact it won't let you configure that =)17:17
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WoolyHey guys, me again! I've copied the contents of /dev/fb0, but am not sure how to write this to a jpeg in C. Does anyone have any pointers?17:24
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javispedronow that's the weirdest maemo-screenshot-tool replacement I've ever seen17:24
Woolyjavispedro: is that directed at me?17:24
RST38hWhy do you insist on writing it to jpeg?17:25
javispedrodepends on what you're trying to do?17:25
WoolyRST38h: JPEG was just something I plucked out of thin air really. I just want to look at the image that I've just copied.17:25
RST38hYou want to do this at 15fps, are you sure your tablet can compress 15x800x480x16bpp images into JPEG per second?17:25
javispedroah, you want to screencast17:26
Woolyjavispedro: exactly17:26
WoolyRST38h: as above, JPEG was just to look at the image I'd just taken17:26
javispedroWooly, if you have lots of time to waste I would take a look at how NX does it17:27
javispedroit uses Xdamage to do jpeg compression of deltas17:27
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talig1RST38h: I'm generally great with GVIM, it's just that we're writing in python and the other developer uses spaces, so I had to switch ;)17:27
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Woolyjavispedro: noted, thanks :)17:28
RST38hjavis: I gave him a possible solution a while ago, qwerty gave him another one17:28
RST38hjavis: probably just needs time to sink in =)17:28
javispedroRST38h, ah, then for sure mine is hardest :) so forget about it17:28
qwerty12_N810Pretty sure it wasn't me :)17:28
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qwerty12_N810But, that said, load-applet has an option to use the framebuffer and it saves to PNG17:29
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javispedroscreenshot-tool does it too17:29
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WoolyRST38h: it's your solution of reading the framebuffer that I'm implementing17:30
javispedroit's gpl'd and only 100 lines long17:30
javispedroso it would be a start17:30
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RST38hWooly: Try compressing it with RLE on the fly17:31
slonopotamus`cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot` - and you got a screenshot :)17:31
RST38hslono: He wants 15 of these per second17:31
RST38hslono: Written to a disk17:31
javispedro $ time cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot --> real0m 2.66s17:31
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WoolyRST38h: I'm getting to that! I'm new to all this, so am pretty slow. I just wanted to verify what I was copying.17:31
slonopotamusRST38h, 15 shots per second is called a movie :)17:32
Stskeeps^ fancy17:32
RST38hslono: Depends on what you are using to shoot17:32
slonopotamusjavispedro, ??? real    0m0.118s17:32
javispedro$ time cat /dev/fb0 > /dev/null --> real    0m 0.09s17:32
javispedro(probably slow/filled flash, sorry)17:33
RST38hSts: Yep. On2 finally hit the jackpot17:33
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Stskeepsthey're the hantro guys as well17:33
RST38hSts: Took them long, long time17:33
RST38hjavis: Yes, he is ging to have problems writing, not so much reading17:33
slonopotamusjavispedro, 2 seconds to write 750kb?!17:33
WoolyI can fopen /dev/fb0 and write it out 23 times a second17:33
RST38hjavis: that is why RLE and *also* frame-by-frame comparison17:33
WoolyRST38h: that's the plan17:34
slonopotamusgood point17:34
RST38hslono: It is seeking between fb0 and mmc =)17:34
WoolyRST38h: as I said, I'm new to all this17:34
javispedroslonopotamus, yes, to jffs2 :P17:34
slonopotamusWooly, skip repeating frames17:34
Woolyslonopotamus: That's also on the list of stuff to do :D17:34
fiferboylcuk: ping?17:34
slonopotamus1gb / 750kb / 15 per second...17:35
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lcukfiferboy, very distant pong17:36
fiferboylcuk: Distant?17:36
slonopotamusat least this way doesn't use cpu :)17:36
lcukyes, im not here more than i am here17:36
fiferboylcuk: Ah.  You store thumbnails in your database, correct?17:37
lcukickle biddy pngs17:37
fiferboyCan the images change outside of liqbase?17:37
lcuknot really, that would be a new record (think of the liqbase database like a wiki)17:38
javispedrobtw, what is the format of /dev/fb0? RGB 5-6-5 ?17:38
Woolyjavispedro: I'm not sure17:38
fiferboyHmm, I like the idea of storing my thumbnails in the database for faster retrieval but there are a couple of issues17:39
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lcukfiferboy, where are the original images stored then17:42
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fiferboyI guess I could have a "Refresh thumbnails" action that would do a mass update if the users changes anything outside17:42
lcukand you could use a blended attack17:42
fiferboylcuk: Where ever the user wants17:42
fiferboyMy biggest concern would be that the images get removes but the program still shows the thumbnail17:42
lcukthe original calendar (which didnt use a database) did a check to see if a sketch file existed for every single calendar day shown on screen as it was being rendered17:42
lcukie it was quick17:42
fiferboyI could have a check when displaying the thumbnail to make sure the original file still exists17:43
lcukbefore rendering a thumb, do a quick check to confirm the datestamp is the same as the one you saved in the database alongside the thumb itself17:43
lcukand if different - update17:43
fiferboylcuk: date stamp!  Brilliant!17:43
lcukdont thank me :P thank the guys who invented datestamps in the first place17:44
lcukthey knew someone like you would come along one day needing it17:44
lcukeveryone thought they were heretics17:45
fiferboySomeone invented datestamps just for me?17:45
lcuk:D heh17:46
cbx3331javispedro around?17:46
cbx3331is that for taking the nokia n810 and displaying it on another screen?17:47
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cbx3331the displaylink driver?17:47
javispedroyes... not what you wanted :P17:47
cbx3331wanted a way to use the n810s screen for another purpose17:47
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taligRST38h: I think I've just encountered the last ditch on this path. When I try to install my package it says: "unable to install"18:05
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lcukfifer, i notice more io and delays with the database than using exclusively files - for some reason searching for a specific file in a folder of x thousand was still faster than a query on an index field of a table containing 30,00018:05
fiferboylcuk: You are using sqlite?18:06
taligRST38h: This has to be related to the latest changes, since before it was installing gloriously (needless to say, the app runs perfectly, even though it claims it couldn't install...)18:06
fiferboylcuk: What do you get returned when you run a query?  A list of records?18:07
X-FadeLol, talking about weird version numbers... 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo118:07
lcukno, single column of a single record18:07
fiferboylcuk: What does your query look like?18:07
lcukits just slightly slower - not much, but noticable by myself, and its not noticable at all with a smaller db18:07
lcuk(mines over 100mb)18:07
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lcukselect datapreview from liqpebble where id=?;18:08
lcukdatapreview is a memo18:09
lcukliqpebble contains ~ 30,000 records18:09
lcukid is autonumber index18:09
fiferboylcuk: Are you trying to get a single record or multiple?18:09
coldbootIs there something wrong with the maemo repositories?18:10
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X-Fadecoldboot: How so?18:10
coldbootoh nevermind18:11
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lcukfifer, individual thumbnail (or sketch) preview for a specific pebble that has just gone onto screen18:12
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lcuki did a qwery when i first brough the whole graffiti wall up, which made all the little items, but did not initialize them18:12
lcukthen as each is shown because i scrolled to it18:12
fiferboylcuk: Does adding a LIMIT of 1 speed things up at all?18:13
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lcuki dunno, ill check, but its an indexed autonumber field - the index branch should stop at that one item18:13
coldbootBad permissions.18:14
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coldbootValgrind doesn't work in Scratchbox 2.19:22
RST38hFew things do.19:22
Stskeepsvalgrind doesn't do ARM though, if that's what you're trying19:23
coldbootYou can't install it on arm, so that question was answered quickly.19:23
coldbootHas scratchbox 2 been abandoned?19:23
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Stskeepsno, it's in good development still19:26
Stskeepssb1 has19:26
RST38hAre they planning to switch Fremantle sdk to sb2 though?19:27
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Stskeepsi think the plan is to get rid of sb1 at least, how far that is going is a good question19:28
Stskeepsbut not sure if it's fremantle or harmattan goal19:28
Stskeepsharmattan is clean all the crap up, so .. :P19:28
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GAN800This transitional release will suck.19:32
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timelessandr__: ping19:34
timelessandre__: ping19:34
javispedrodoubt they're going to ditch sb1 for fremantle, at least not for the first release19:34
javispedro(too late I believe)19:34
timelessanyone here have a diablo device handy?19:34
timelessjavispedro: i believe the plan is to officially support sb2 for harmattan19:35
timeless(that means there will be officially no support for sb1 for harmattan)19:35
* javispedro knew he fixed sb1's glibc for nothing ;)19:36
timelessthat assumes all of the stars in the sky align19:36
timelesswhat's wrong w/ sb1's glibc?19:36
javispedrorandomized vdso support19:36
javispedro(btw, I have my diablo handheld handy but I'm pretty busy, so if it's something quick...)19:37
Stskeepstimeless: a good string for menu item 'Lock applets' in hildon desktop (locks the applets so they don't move) in en_US?19:37
timelessit's quick19:37
javispedrotimeless, shoot19:37
timelesshow does copy work in filemanager?19:37
timelesscan you try to copy a file to the directory where the file currently lives?19:38
timelessif so, what does it do?19:38
javispedrocreates "original file name (1).original file extension"19:38
timelessgah, non stupid behavior19:39
JaffaStskeeps: "Fix applet positions"?19:39
JaffaOr "Lock applet positions"19:39
timelessKeep applets in place19:39
StskeepsJaffa: Mer has up-to-date HAM soon btw if you want to play19:39
javispedrobtw timeless, do you remember about certain bug where "deleting a file in filemanager results in the file being deleted but not disappearing from filelist"?19:40
timelessnot offhand19:40
timelesswant me to try something somewhere?19:40
timelessi have a fremantle device here19:40
timelessits behavior for copy to same directory is um... depressing19:40
timelessso i'm looking for funny :)19:40
timelessor "FiF"19:40
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javispedronot at all, only happens if I set $MYDOCSDIR to something else (so ultra-minimal severity)19:40
timelesseven FiF would be an improvement19:40
lardmanafternoon all19:41
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Stskeeps'lo lardman19:41
timelesshrm, we have such an env var?19:41
* timeless launches terminal19:41
Jaffatimeless: Set in af-init.defs or somesuch IIRC19:41
lardmanhi Stskeeps19:41
timelessindeed, we do19:42
javispedroand "taken care of" by gnome-vfs19:42
infobotjavispedro meant: and "taken care of" by hildon-fm19:42
javispedromy initial guess is that it's setting the wrong inotify watch (maybe hardcoded /home/user/MyDocs), I'll look at it later19:43
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lardmanany thoughts on a GTK+ widget (C) that will display a bargraph?19:46
nomislardman: you *could* abuse lots of progress bars, but it probably is easier to use a drawingarea and use cairo to draw the graph the way you want it to be.19:46
lardmanor just write my own?19:47
lardmannomis: yeah thought that might be the case19:47
nomis(no immediate need to do a "proper" widget, the drawingarea works good unless you need it to be a reusable widget)19:47
lardmanyep, just a quick hacky thing to see if my data is coming out the right way19:48
* timeless broke chess 3 or 4 ways today19:52
timelessare you more interested in a user != 'user' or a directory != 'MyDocs'19:55
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Stskeeps$HOME/MyDocs is ok :P19:56
timelessbtw, have you played w/ ?19:56
Stskeepsusing it occasionally19:56
timelessi'm basically using the internal twin19:56
Stskeepsbut $USER == 'user' i'm starting to get doubts about if it's a good thing we force in Mer19:56
timelessi might next week try to worry about fremantle xref19:56
timelessstskeeps: you mean letting people have other home directory names?19:57
Stskeepswe already do that and it breaks things in funny ways19:57
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* timeless nods19:57
javispedroit's not a good idea making the whole of hildon dependent on that $USER assumption, think Debian libhildon19:57
timelessi think the reality is that these devices are really not going to be multi user19:57
Stskeepstimeless: i'm thinking a bit wider than single-device use for Mer and Maemo, hence why i wanted $USER other than 'user' originally19:58
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Stskeepsheck, when you get something like for your wall, for small money, there might be interesting things possible in the future19:59
timelessGNOME_VFS_INOTIFY_DIAG sounds like fun20:00
javispedroah, should be better than my usual "just fill the whole application with printfs" approach20:00
* Stskeeps ponders if zfs list started requiring -t snapshot to show snapshots20:01
Stskeepsi had ~40gb REFER i didn't notice until now20:01
timelessis where i'd go surfing i suppose20:01
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timelessthat's the gnome vfs thing that calls inotify_add_watch20:02
javispedro*** ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.games) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.documents) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.sounds) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.videos) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.images) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs)20:02
javispedroso the problem must be somewhere else...20:02
Stskeeps <- hell yes20:03
timelessnote that i'm just using mxr and picking things that sound interesting20:03
timelessi don't actually know this code20:03
timelessand believe me, i really really really don't want to know it :)20:03
javispedroI just did that, filled with printfs, got a "big trace", but got some real work to do20:03
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timelessok, by the time i got to do_monitor_add, i got lost20:05
karatchovHello, please anybody here is admin to a garage project ?20:05
GAN800Bleh, I still need to theme MXR.20:05
timelessgan800: yes20:05
timelesskaratchov: some random one? surely20:06
karatchovi got my project accepted, but I have no idea how to configure the git repository20:06
karatchovor how to upload files20:06
timelessin the end, that chases to gnome_vfs_monitor_add20:06
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karatchovtimeless: how do you connect to your account ?20:07
timelesskaratchov: w/ a web browser :)20:07
timelessor svn on rare instances20:07
Stskeepsor git over ssh20:08
timelessnope, none of my projects are git :)20:08
timelessgan800: speaking of garage20:08
timelessHome  My Page  Project Cloud  Code Snippets  Projectos que Precisam de Ajuda20:08
timeless                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^20:08
javispedrolol :)20:08
timelessporque le no hablas ingles?20:08
javispedrothat's probably portuguese20:09
karatchovok thanks, how do you change de default web page of ?20:09
timelesskaratchov: we have a www/index.html in svn20:09
GAN800GForge is so evil.20:09
* Stskeeps kinda likes gitorious atm20:10
karatchovi suppose it's the same for git20:10
timelessdunno, but i'd hope so :)20:10
* javispedro thinks that with the suggestion to use as "bugzilla" garage loses a bit of importance20:10
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karatchovanybody here have an idea how to configure a garage git repository20:11
timelessbugzilla+gitorious pretty much replaces garage20:11
GAN800VCS, permissions and file hosting.20:11
karatchovI created an account in github, and got everything running correctly in about 15 mints20:11
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javispedroGAN800, and mailing lists I assume20:12
timelessgan800: anyway, could someone please get rid of that non english text from garage?20:12
GAN800ah, right.20:12
karatchovand  more than 4 days trying to access garage's git20:12
timelessit's been there for months (if not years)20:12
GAN800though the ml aren't used very often;20:12
GAN800timeless, bug filed?20:12
timelessthe first thing i did when i got admin access on garage was disable the lists/bug areas20:12
javispedrobah, I'm not getting work done (sorry), so brb20:13
GAN800Prod X-Fade, bergie or ferenc. I have no access.20:13
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timelesshrm, i thought i filed one20:13
timelessbut i can't find it20:13
GAN800timeless, file again and I'm sure sjgadsby or andre__ will dupe if appropriate. ;)20:14
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timelessBug 4881 Submitted20:15
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timelesshrm, andre__ is away: ...20:16
* timeless considers filing bugs about chess20:16
timelessoh, anyone here have diablo? :)20:16
caoticSo my dog trip over the charger cable of my brand new 810, the device fell, and the AC input is busted, I notice it since I left it charging and now the batery is completely drain out, usb doesnt seem to charge the device by default ... any ideas :(20:17
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timelesscaotic: train your dog not to trip over chargers :)20:17
qwerty12_N810Dispose of the dog to make sure it doesn't happen again?20:17
Stskeepscaotic: check if it's the charger that's a problem or the pin inside the device20:17
caoticStskeeps: the pin20:17
timelessthe e61i is compatible w/ the n81020:17
Stskeepscaotic: if it's the pin inside the device, with a torx T4 and voiding your warranty if any, it's fairly easy to replace if you find one20:17
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Stskeepsi dismantled a dead 770 to get mine :)20:18
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Stskeepsanyway, if it's brand new, use your warranty20:18
timelessa friend used his teeth to extract my charger pin from my e61i20:18
Stskeepscaotic: also, there might actually be a possibility to fix it by just pushing back out the pin after finding it inside the device20:18
timelessthe e61i and n810 use the same battery, which made them a good set of devices20:18
caoticStskeeps: bought in a different coutry :(, I am reevaluating having a dog20:19
timelessif you don't mind risking your device, i think someone explained how to enable your usb port to be used for charging20:19
* timeless wouldn't do that20:19
Stskeepshm, i wouldn't mind seeing that guide20:19
GAN800It's on Talk somewhere.20:20
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sjgadsbyStskeeps: Guide for 770 USB charging:
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timelesssjgadsby: do you keep that stuff bookmarked?20:22
timelessanyway... i still need a diablo device20:23
sjgadsbytimeless: That one? No. Google.20:23
* timeless doesn't want to turn one on here20:23
* timeless gives up and reaches across the desk20:23
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* Stskeeps ponders idly on the easter egg discussion on iTT20:24
Stskeepswas it on n800 or n810 schematics people checked if tv out was actually wired up?20:25
* timeless wonders how to use bluetooth20:25
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esaym153are there any other alarm apps for the os2008?  I don't like the one it comes with.  When I set an alarm and set it to play an mp3 it only plays a few seconds of the mp3 before going into snooze20:40
Stskeepsthus reflecting real life usage20:40
chxyeah the clock and alarm usage leaves a lot to be desired20:41
chxhowever, i found this flip clock app which can (finally!) cover the whole screen with a HUGE clock20:42
chxextremely handy when presenting20:42
chxnow if i could get the damned blacklight to stay on....20:42
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esaym153chx: what is the name of the default alarm?  it is not alarmd which I see in the ps list...20:46
esaym153I don't think at least20:46
chxno clue.... sorry20:46
esaym153how to find out? lol20:47
chxgoogle is your friend?20:47
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fiferboyesaym153: alarmd is the process that triggers the alarms20:54
fiferboyosso_worldclock is the application that sets the alarms20:54
esaym153that is what I figured20:54
esaym153oh ok20:54
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esaym153can't find the source code hhmm20:58
lardmanStskeeps: it's not wired up21:00
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lardmanStskeeps: checked on both iirc21:01
lardmanwas a while back though21:01
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chxI might be a complete idiot but i seem to remember there was a way to set up an intenret connection via phone where it asked for your provider and had a big list of providers.. cant seem to find it now htough21:04
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qwerty12_N810Control Panel -> (Menu) -> Tools -> Mobile operator setup wizard21:05
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chxthat's quite well hidden21:09
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chxOOOOOO it rotates!21:18
GAN800chx, MoreDimmingOptions21:19
GAN800chx, normally it's run on first boot.21:20
chxGAN800: where is more dimming options?21:20
GAN800chx, should be in Downloads.21:20
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chxwhich repo? extras seemingly isnt enough21:21
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timelessok, i should earn a bprize21:28
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timelessi got the chess app into a cool state21:28
timelessit says "game paused"21:28
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timelessbut all of the buttons, drop downs, check boxes, and menu items are disabled21:28
timelessyou can tap on the menu area to see the menu box21:28
timelessbut you can't get rid of the menu using the touch screen :)21:29
timelessthere are only two items which respond to touch, the main app launcher, and the "recent" item21:29
timelessthe former seems to "work", the latter helpfully says "not available"21:30
timeless(and no, you can't close the app by clicking on the 'x' in the top right corner)21:30
timelessor from the switcher in the bottom left for that matter21:30
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lardmantimeless: is that just as it noticed that you were about to get checkmate and it decided to not let you win?21:39
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Stskeepsurl? :P21:43
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lardman is the reason though: "it looks like the dreaded Two Months meme may have finally breathed its last"21:44
lardmanI imagine it will turn up eventually21:44
lardmanwhere eventually is the operative word21:44
lardmanI reckon by christmas anyway, only 2/3 years late21:45
Stskeepsi still think it's irony that a chinese manufactorer saw openness of a nokia n800, put out a product, sold great, and openpandora takes this long..21:45
lardmanyeah, well it must be hard starting up like that, but the little fibs about when things will be done and how far along they are, are the things that annoys me21:46
lardmans/little fibs/"little fibs"21:46
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lardmanso, GStreamer gurus, if I want to display some data I've processed, do I need to either write it to a global variable and protect that with a semaphore, or pass the data to the callback, or what?21:48
lardmani.e. data from the GStreamer pipeline callback fn, process, do something with it21:48
derflardman: Ask in #gstreamer21:48
lardmanah, good point21:49
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lardmanI may have a hack first and see what comes crashing down, then ask :)21:49
derfLike a true engineer.21:49
lardmanof course :)21:49
javispedro"suck it up and see", it's called :)21:49
lardmanhave to make sure I've something to spit out21:50
GAN800chx, not in repo. It's on Downloads.21:53
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esaym153waht is a good way to schedule a perl scrip to run every day?21:54
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chxGAN800: go website, find it, download?21:55
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javispedrowho I have to bother if is rejecting my ssh key?21:56
esaym153anyone know where the source code for osso_worldclock is?21:57
Stskeepstimeless: got time for a talk on how to manage a dvcs with translations in #mer? catchup on bottom of
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fiferboyesaym153: I'm pretty sure the source is not released for that application22:02
esaym153then how do I hack it?22:03
fiferboyI guess you don't :(22:03
fiferboyYou could write a better alarm app using alarmd22:03
esaym153is there a config file for it or anything?22:04
esaym153I hate how it only plays a few seconds of a song when the alarm goes orff22:04
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fiferboyI think it probably stores some setting in GConf22:04
esaym153where is that22:05
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fiferboyIt is a central settings storage, there should be a gconf tool in extras to view/change settings22:06
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lardmanhi lcuk22:12
esaym153waht is a good way to run a scrip every now and then?22:13
esaym153I have a perl script that backs up a file22:13
Stskeepsalarmd interfacing22:13
esaym153I am thinking about just adding it to /etc/network/if.up atleast it would get run every time the internet gets messed with...22:13
esaym153alarmd has to be programmed into the program right?22:13
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fiferboyesaym153: You can just add an entry to the alarmd xml file22:14
esaym153oh awesome22:15
* esaym153 searchs for alarmd xml file22:17
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esaym153yea I don't know about using the alarmd stuff22:32
esaym153is there any file that gets polled often so that I can just add my script to that?22:33
* esaym153 wonders if there is a script somewhere that gets ran everytime the charger is plugged in...22:34
johnsqesaym153: search initfs and bootmenu.sh22:36
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lardmananyone know off the top of their heads what the width & height are with the menu bar and task bar showing?22:43
lardmanwidth & height of the main window that is22:43
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esaym153hmm, I guess I could just make my scrip run in a loop and sleep for days at a time.. that might work. Eat memory though22:45
lardmanesaym153: there is a script somewhere, there were some extensions floating about to allow you to hook into these events22:46
lardmancan't remember the name though22:46
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fiferboyHave you looked at cron yet?22:52
lardmanesaym153: you could sit and listen on dbus for the charger event22:53
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lardman is old, but should be similar to nowadays22:54
esaym153yea I thought about cron22:54
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lardmanthat one looks ideal, here's the direct link:
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mmatthsb2/harmattan question:  just installed maemo sdk. when i try to run the emulator it's telling me that GLIBC_2.8 isn't found...23:07
Stskeepsisn't harmattan a bit early to ask about? :)23:08
mmatthyes, this is a total noob or n00b question... but what am i missing here?23:08
woglindeI thought that myself23:08
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Stskeepsmmatth: what OS are you running on host?23:09
mmatthubuntu 9.0423:10
Stskeepsshould be okay..23:10
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RST38hok, reboot23:11
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javispedroi am sick of trying to use "root" & "rootsh" on my desktop PC23:16
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RST38hjavis: ?23:26
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javispedroRST38h, I use "rootsh" on the tablet, but my brain needs to get used to switching to sudo again on my desktop23:31
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RST38hah that23:49
RST38hjavis: simply use ssh localhost on the tablet23:49
RST38hthis way you won't need the kludgy rootsh thing23:49
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ProteousBad RST38h, teaching all the kids to ssh into root accounts23:52
RST38hyou suggest telnet instead? =)23:53
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