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| GAN800 | wazd_, ur boring. What now? :P | 00:09 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Fight, of course | 00:10 |
| wazd_ | GAN800: thanks, General Obvious :P | 00:10 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: If I'll try - I can hit him thru the Earth :) | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 00:12 |
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| RST38h | mooo all | 00:13 |
| RST38h | I think we should have a flame war | 00:13 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: heya | 00:13 |
| RST38h | hey wazd | 00:13 |
| RST38h | Let me think what good incendiary topic I can come up with... | 00:14 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: no flamewars until I get a new kb plz :) | 00:14 |
| RST38h | Don't you all think that MacOS X would be much better if it were Java-based thin client to mac.com ? | 00:14 |
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| RST38h | I mea, isn't Web 2.0 and the cloud all the rage nowadays? =) | 00:14 |
| erik____ | RST38h: nice troll :) | 00:15 |
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| RST38h | hush! | 00:15 |
| wazd_ | I'm Walt Mossberg. Shut up! xD | 00:16 |
| RST38h | ah shit DOW is 9200+ | 00:16 |
| woglinde | haha | 00:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: You did read that story about goths killing and eating an emo? | 00:17 |
| RST38h | wazd: And crucifying his pet hamster head-down? | 00:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The poor hamster :( | 00:17 |
| RST38h | yes, I felt sorry for the rodent as well | 00:17 |
| RST38h | accidental collateral damage in this story | 00:18 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: no O_o | 00:18 |
| RST38h | wazd: Your mention of Mossberg somehow reminded me... =) | 00:18 |
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| mavhc | that mossberg puppet was great | 00:21 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: I think I don't want to know why :) | 00:21 |
| RST38h | guess so... | 00:21 |
| * GAN800 wonders about fullmoons. | 00:21 | |
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| RST38h | in other news, everybody seems to have frozen waiting for iTablet | 00:22 |
| GAN800 | Freaks are out in force today. | 00:22 |
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| RST38h | show, show me | 00:23 |
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| wazd_ | so, any kb except mbp and akb?) | 00:25 |
| * RST38h has got an apple keyboard. The only apple product in the house | 00:26 | |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: 70$ is too much for me( | 00:27 |
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| RST38h | wazd: and it isn't very comfortable either, really | 00:28 |
| wazd_ | I've found some local crap called o-click :) | 00:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: for full size kbd, I would go with a logitech really. | 00:29 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: http://forum3.ru/descr.aspx?code=67724 | 00:31 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: "almost apple) | 00:31 |
| RST38h | it is no apple | 00:32 |
| RST38h | and, as I said, apple looks nice but isn't very comfortable | 00:32 |
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| wazd_ | the only things i need are playback/volume controls and low profile | 00:33 |
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| wazd_ | oh, and full layout | 00:34 |
| lcuk2 | i dont think ive ever used any of the special keys on my kb | 00:35 |
| johnsq | wazd_: cherry evolution stream | 00:35 |
| lcuk2 | i actively rip out any reset/poweroff buttons from the kb | 00:35 |
| wazd_ | lcuk2: I use'em, so I ask for them :) | 00:35 |
| lcuk2 | reasonable enough | 00:36 |
| lcuk2 | power keys are bad - you reboot your computer by dropping something on em or pickin it up wrong | 00:36 |
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| wazd_ | lcuk2: If i'd make a keyboard someday - Ill leave em on the kb but make'em flush and slightly hard to press | 00:39 |
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| lcuk2 | wazd_, old computers used to have a little reset switch/rocker on the backside of them | 00:41 |
| RST38h | little? | 00:42 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 00:42 |
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| RST38h | PC XT had a huge red tumbler switch | 00:43 |
| lcuk2 | on the keyboard? | 00:44 |
| RST38h | no, on the system block itself | 00:45 |
| wazd_ | johnsq: can't find 'em here( | 00:45 |
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| johnsq | wazd_: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B000HBAF7U/ | 00:45 |
| johnsq | wazd_: don't know where "here" is :) | 00:46 |
| wazd_ | johnsq: I mean for sale) | 00:46 |
| wazd_ | johnsq: russia | 00:46 |
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| RST38h | wazd: http://www.chd-corp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=0&Itemid=323 | 00:46 |
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| wazd_ | btw, long time ago I had an idea bout kbs | 00:48 |
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| wazd_ | to make a wide thin monochrome display above multimedia eys | 00:49 |
| wazd_ | cheap and handy | 00:50 |
| lbt | wazd_: hi | 00:55 |
| lbt | do you have that montage of Mer devices to hand? | 00:55 |
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| wazd_ | lbt: hooah | 00:57 |
| wazd_ | lbt: yep | 00:57 |
| lbt | great - I'm prepping for the talk next weekend | 00:58 |
| wazd_ | lbt: http://i038.radikal.ru/0908/38/9e0467a2ea7f.png | 00:58 |
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| wazd_ | lbt: look kinda old, I canfill em with new shots tomorrow | 00:59 |
| lbt | we need the SmartQ7 and O2 joggler on there too now ;) | 00:59 |
| wazd_ | lbt: oh | 00:59 |
| lbt | oh, well if you are then I'm not kidding after all! | 00:59 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Status/o2_Joggler | 00:59 |
| wazd_ | lbt: I just need a keyboard for this, I broke mine( | 01:00 |
| lbt | well, that pic is great... If you manage another then I'll use that | 01:01 |
| wazd_ | lbt: screen kb on zaurus = fail) | 01:02 |
| lbt | the SmartQ one is bad too - no arrow keys | 01:03 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, wazd_, http://www.pckeyboard.com | 01:06 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: oh my) | 01:13 |
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| RST38h | gan: keyboard porn! | 01:19 |
| wazd_ | GAN800: that's too brutal xD | 01:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Would "hardcore" be defined as the plugging in/out of the keyboard? =) | 01:20 |
| wazd_ | GAN800: Wish I could see em attached to mac)) | 01:20 |
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| gomiam | ok, weird problem: I just lost an option in the power-off menu (the one about normal and connectionless mode). Has anyone suffered this too and/or knows a way to solve it? | 01:24 |
| gomiam | and no, "turning it off and on" IT Guys' style didn't work either. | 01:25 |
| gomiam | ;) | 01:25 |
| gomiam | (and yes, I looked it up but did't manage to write a good enough query on Google or something, which is an event in itself) | 01:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | gomiam: 1. check that /etc/systemui/systemui.xml contains the option to toggle and 2. make sure that /var/lib/mce/mode contains the mode that you are in | 01:26 |
| * gomiam checking... | 01:27 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | On my tablet, /var/lib/mce/mode says normal and that is correct. As I am IRCing from my tablet, I'm not inclined to find out what it says when the tablet is in offline mode. ;) | 01:28 |
| gomiam | XD me neither, I'm tableting too | 01:28 |
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| gomiam | lots of kudos to you, qwerty12_N810 | 01:30 |
| gomiam | that was it | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Cool :) | 01:30 |
| gomiam | now, if someone made a package to install the aireplay-able wifi module or the wpa one with PAP, I couldl live happy. I guess I'll have to muddle through ;) | 01:32 |
| gomiam | anyway, I'm in bed ans I should be sleeping instead of chatting. Thanks a lot for your help. | 01:34 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, Gizmo wisened up on Google Voice callouts | 01:37 |
| RST38h | They now limit calls to 3 minutes and charge for them | 01:37 |
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| pupnik_ | i'd like gizmo video calls on linux | 01:44 |
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| GAN800 | wazd_, I got them to make a custom one for me. | 02:30 |
| GAN800 | with Apple keys. I have pictures around somewhere. | 02:30 |
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| hachi | I have a nokia n810, I'm trying to figure out how you can flash it without MS windows | 05:10 |
| hachi | I got rid of windows many years ago | 05:10 |
| hachi | trying to erase the whole thing though | 05:10 |
| hachi | everyone says the only way is to reflash the device | 05:10 |
| pupnik_ | hi | 05:11 |
| pupnik_ | i reflash using linux | 05:11 |
| hachi | how? | 05:12 |
| hachi | I can't even find links to a firmware image | 05:12 |
| hachi | the main link on nokiausa.com is to a .exe file | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | hachi, hold | 05:12 |
| LinuxCode | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php | 05:13 |
| LinuxCode | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 05:13 |
| LinuxCode | actually | 05:13 |
| hachi | thank you | 05:19 |
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| hachi | bleh | 05:24 |
| hachi | that doesn't appear to have cleared out the 'memory card' | 05:24 |
| hachi | as the device calls it | 05:24 |
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| pupnik_ | hachi: it shouldn't wipe anything off either internal 2GB flash or the miniSD card | 05:31 |
| hachi | I would like it to | 05:31 |
| pupnik_ | why, the OS is not on the 2GB card | 05:31 |
| hachi | I'm giving the device to a friend | 05:31 |
| hachi | I had ssh keys on it | 05:31 |
| hachi | I'd like to make sure there isn't a copy of things I want to keep secure going to someone else | 05:32 |
| pupnik_ | cat /dev/random to the device or smth | 05:32 |
| pupnik_ | or copy big files over to the card | 05:32 |
| pupnik_ | fill it up | 05:32 |
| hachi | I'm not worried like that | 05:32 |
| hachi | I'm just trying to get the device to delete all files | 05:32 |
| hachi | the fast delete | 05:33 |
| hachi | I'm not being paranoid, I'm just trying to clean the device like it just came from the factory | 05:33 |
| pupnik_ | rm -rF /media/mmc2 then | 05:34 |
| pupnik_ | rm -rF /media/mmc2/* rather | 05:35 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Or reformat it. | 06:09 |
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| * Pavlov reflashes his n810 | 06:10 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, it was cruel enough the first time. | 06:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | We're going to have to criminalize that or something. | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | (bunch of perverts in here . . .) | 06:11 |
| Pavlov | heh | 06:12 |
| Pavlov | all i really want is an 80211a radio in here | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Really? | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | n seems likely in the RX-51, but no a. ;) | 06:12 |
| Pavlov | yeah, our building is basically screwed on the 2.4ghz spectrum | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, lead walls here. I have 4 APs covering about 2800 sq-ft. | 06:13 |
| Pavlov | i've got an AP above my desk | 06:13 |
| Pavlov | doesn't really help:( | 06:13 |
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| xnt14 | hmmm | 06:56 |
| xnt14 | xD | 06:56 |
| xnt14 | I just noticed b-man xD | 06:56 |
| xnt14 | ~seen FireFox16 | 06:56 |
| infobot | firefox16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 26d 23h 29m 56s ago, saying: 'damn :('. | 06:56 |
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| Macer | wtf | 06:59 |
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| Macer | there is a green lantern movie | 06:59 |
| Macer | and this one is white | 06:59 |
| t_s_o | i think i know of at least 2 white green lanterns, and 1 black... | 07:05 |
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| Luddek1 | Fuck yeah! I have SSL on ettercap | 07:38 |
| Luddek1 | ... sorry, just excited, worked long | 07:39 |
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| DarwinSurvivor_ | has anybody else had problems with the screen not turning off on their n810? | 07:46 |
| DarwinSurvivor_ | mine's been doing this for about a month now and i can't figure out why | 07:46 |
| Luddek1 | tried reflashing? | 07:49 |
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| DarwinSurvivor_ | i was trying to avoid that | 07:51 |
| DarwinSurvivor_ | it took a while to get msn/yahoo/icq all working natively with the chat app | 07:51 |
| DarwinSurvivor_ | i know some apps can keep the screen lit (video apps, etc) | 07:51 |
| DarwinSurvivor_ | is there any way to find out what (if any) apps are holding the screen on? | 07:52 |
| Luddek1 | I don't know. You could try to kill some process and see if the problem still occur | 07:53 |
| DarwinSurvivor_ | hmm | 07:54 |
| DarwinSurvivor_ | i guess that might work | 07:54 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 08:34 | |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 10:08 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: some patches to your drag lock patch: http://gitorious.org/mer/hildon-desktop/commit/181d74ced14e55cc4f5e76315881ed014c3748a7 , http://gitorious.org/mer/hildon-desktop/commit/26b02fd7122c32a570fc1845985f8bfea865e78f , http://gitorious.org/mer/hildon-desktop/commit/6798e0f0b097d91afc60d1d74f9d0efdc1d2fb35 | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | well, and your own patch included obviously :P | 11:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks | 11:14 |
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| Stskeeps | np, from saju | 11:15 |
| * qwerty12_N810 thanks saju too, if he ever sees this | 11:15 | |
| RST38h | ...speeding the development a 20-foot, 30,000-lb bomb known as Massive Ordnance Penetrator. This weapon is intended to annihilate underground bunkers and other hardened sites (read: long-range missile or underground nuke development) up to 200 ft. underground.... | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: have to build a proper arsenal for hitting satan's underground lair! | 11:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The gconf schema file is the same as the one I did :P | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i think the path may be different | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | yours is in /applets or something | 11:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | But, but, but, I like my path | 11:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It was well chosen. But, anyway, *shrug* | 11:19 |
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| RST38h | Sts: After old good Saddam went home, who is the next designated Satan? =) | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: obama, obviously | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:20 |
| RST38h | That would be...mm...self defeating | 11:20 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: "pipes of garage.*"? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: my bad, i meant the mer feed :) | 11:24 |
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| Stskeeps | yay, i'm on planet :P | 11:30 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Ah. Not easily: the problem is that it links to Nabble which doesn't do it. I wonder if I could make the article link any URL which is seen in the subject. That might work | 11:34 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, ping | 12:53 |
| dneary | VDVsx: pong | 12:53 |
| VDVsx | dneary, Kenneth (Qt webkit) asked me yesterday to put their presentation in day 2, if possible, because he has to go to the Qt dev days after the summit | 12:54 |
| dneary | VDVsx: No problem for me | 12:54 |
| VDVsx | :) | 12:54 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, btw, by the chat in tmo, I understood that we will probably ditch the round table, since a similar session will be held on the first day, so we will need to make a little arrangement on the schedule, or find a good session for the last slot of the summit :) | 13:00 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Yeah, I got that | 13:01 |
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| slonopotamus | what do you think, will https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4874 be closed as WONTFIX? :) | 13:50 |
| javispedro | regional limits? and it's not already WONTFIX? :) | 13:51 |
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| RST38h | slonopotamus: Depending on CAl availability in Harmattan, it will be either WONTFIX or FixedInHarmattan | 13:55 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro, yeah, different wifi power limits based on country. and open-wlan-cal sets them wrong in uk. i'd like to set them to correct value, but don't know how to identity country without docs for pp_data cal block. | 13:56 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, i'm more than sure that personally I won't have any problems because of wrong power limits in uk tablets. but someone might. | 13:57 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, so, in order to make everyone happy, i'd like to set then correctly. | 14:01 |
| * slonopotamus also wonders how nokia will react to rewritten bme :) | 14:02 | |
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| RST38h | Apple iTablet. The end is near! | 14:18 |
| javispedro | we're all doomed!! doomed!! | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Run for your lives! | 14:18 |
| javispedro | fortunately, this time I predict it'll fail. | 14:19 |
| javispedro | er... is this channel logged, isn't it ;) ? | 14:19 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Apple product can't fail, not right now =) | 14:19 |
| mgedmin | yes :) | 14:19 |
| RST38h | I hope it will whip everybody else into making imitations which isn't such a bad thing | 14:20 |
| javispedro | what I would like too see is how Apple mkt dept. will convert 10'' Tablets into non-geeky things | 14:20 |
| RST38h | Hey, Nokia imitated iTablet *before* iTablet launch! =) | 14:20 |
| javispedro | when they did that with PDAs/smartphones I wasn't surprised, cause I was using a PDA | 14:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: That I can tell you by reading my crystal balls | 14:21 |
| javispedro | but currently 10'' tablets are too geeky even for me | 14:21 |
| javispedro | so I'm going to be surprised for sure :) | 14:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: It is a huggable TV for watching iTunes content, and reading too | 14:21 |
| javispedro | yes, as it appears in geeky-movie 2001 odissey | 14:21 |
| RST38h | Will be marketed as an uber PMP | 14:22 |
| RST38h | + it will be shiny, Americans absolutely love shiny | 14:22 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: pong | 14:23 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: How's the promotion thing going? Should I be able to promote my Python based ap with "OR"? | 14:23 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: That should work. It is just that the actual promotion doesn't work, due to issues in Jeremiah's tool. | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Once he fixes that, actual promotion will start. | 14:24 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Can you try again? | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: That's what I wondered ;-) | 14:29 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Clicking "promote package" still no worky. Gives http://maemo.org/packages/repository/promote/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/attitude/0.0.6/ and "Server Error 500: Dependency python2.5-osso could not be found in the database" | 14:30 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Quick lunch, after that I'll check what it going on. (Flushing caches now) | 14:34 |
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| lizardo | Jaffa, X-Fade : a wild guess: maybe all dependencies need to be promoted prior to the package ? | 14:36 |
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| lizardo | Jaffa: BTW, the package name is now "python-osso" in fremantle , even though there's a Provides: for python2.5-osso | 14:37 |
| lizardo | Jaffa, X-Fade : another possibility is that the promoter is not looking at the Provides: field | 14:37 |
| lizardo | Jaffa: also, are you still affected by https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4782 or did you manage to workaround it somehow? | 14:38 |
| Jaffa | lizardo: #4782 is still an issue. | 14:39 |
| Jaffa | lizardo: X-Fade says that the "python-osso | python2.5-osso" should work in the promotion interface; and any required packages are also pulled up with it | 14:39 |
| lizardo | Jaffa: because, looking at the comments on that bug, I'm confused: it seems solarwolf is not affected, even though I could reproduce you issue on scratchbox | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | lizardo: I've worked around it by checking /etc/maemo_version for '5.0' and disabling OSSO functionality | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | lizardo: Yeah, I saw a comment saying solarwolf isn't affected | 14:40 |
| Jaffa | lizardo: I can't check at the moment (no sb), but could it be the difference between "org.maemo.horizon" (dotted) and "solarwolf" (undotted)? | 14:41 |
| lizardo | Jaffa: I didn't have time to investigate that further, but will do so in the following days | 14:41 |
| Jaffa | lizardo: thanks | 14:41 |
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| lizardo | Jaffa: just tried, both "org.maemo.horizon" and "solarwolf" segfaults on my sbox/x86 | 14:43 |
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| Jaffa | lizardo: Odd. | 14:45 |
| Jaffa | Well good for your debugging. gdb FTW | 14:46 |
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| lizardo | Jaffa: and printf :) | 14:46 |
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| Jaffa | lizardo: :) | 14:46 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, horizon isn't python ? | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Attitude (nee Horizon) is Python. | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=306781 <-- that "Horizon" | 14:47 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, I know, I know :) | 14:47 |
| VDVsx | lizardo, btw, did you considered a presentation at the maemo summit ? like RAD with pymaemo or something that show off pymaemo | 14:47 |
| * Jaffa confused then :) | 14:47 | |
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| lizardo | VDVsx: some of the PyMaemo team thought about it , but we don't have concrete plans yet... One of us plan to make a presentation about python/C++ binding generation, not hardly related to PyMaemo, but still :) | 14:50 |
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| VDVsx | lizardo, personally I would prefer a 'less bindings' focus session | 14:52 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: OTOH there will be a mini-course on PyMaemo on the PythonBrasil 2009: http://www.pythonbrasil.org.br/2009 (in portuguese...) if anyone plans to go there :) | 14:52 |
| * Jaffa would love to see a session on PyMaemo, demonstrating how powerful it can be (if it can be ;-)) | 14:53 | |
| VDVsx | lizardo, interesting but I'm a bit far from Brasil :P | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | ...and the summit is *the* place for Maemo presentations :) | 14:53 |
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| lizardo | Jaffa, VDVsx : for sure, I 'll try to convince some/one of the PyMaemo guys to make a presentation, as there is at least some interest to justify it :) hope that's not too late hehe | 14:58 |
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| man_in_shack | can anyone suggest a good calendar/organiser type app for diablo? | 16:15 |
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| man_in_shack | BOOM | 16:20 |
| man_in_shack | netsplits are fun | 16:20 |
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| man_in_shack | is it over yet? | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | It is. The end boss was tough. | 16:28 |
| timsamoff | Morning political humor: http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/weird_al_charles_nelson_reilly | 16:29 |
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| timsamoff | Er. I was thinking about another political piece and didn't mean that link to say political. | 16:31 |
| * timsamoff is dumb. | 16:31 | |
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| ustunozgur | how does one install abiword? it asks for defoma | 16:51 |
| ustunozgur | apt-get install defoma says it is obsolete | 16:52 |
| man_in_shack | ok, gpe calendar looks a lot nicer than mCalendar | 16:55 |
| lcuk | timsamoff, \o i cannot stop but just wanted to say thank you for your support | 16:55 |
| timsamoff | ;) | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | man_in_shack, mcalendar is coming on leaps and bounds, khertan posted pics of it, he is increasing performance at a heckova rate | 16:55 |
| man_in_shack | good to know | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | khertan rocks. Looking forward to seeing him again at the summit. | 16:56 |
| man_in_shack | i'll keep mcalendar around and see where it goes | 16:57 |
| aquatix | ooh, mcalendar looks a lot better than half a year ago | 16:57 |
| aquatix | or whenever i tried last | 16:57 |
| man_in_shack | but i'll have to transfer all my entries to gpe calendar while i use that | 16:57 |
| man_in_shack | one thing that pisses me off is that mcalendar starts about 20 autosync processes as soon as the internet is connected | 16:58 |
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| * aquatix actually uses gcal now, so mcalendar on n810 is useful | 16:59 | |
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| man_in_shack | well, i think i've hacked the sync to be disabled successfully | 17:03 |
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| man_in_shack | so it'll be easier for me to transfer my entries around | 17:03 |
| man_in_shack | sleep time | 17:03 |
| timsamoff | lcuk: Where did khertan post the mCalendar pics? | 17:04 |
| timsamoff | (Or if anyone knows.) | 17:05 |
| aquatix | i guess these are out of date then? http://khertan.net/software_info.php?soft=mCalendar | 17:05 |
| aquatix | http://www.flickr.com/photos/25438252@N08/3762127239/ <- sounds new | 17:05 |
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| aquatix | d'oh, that's not by khertan | 17:06 |
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| timsamoff | Maybe this? http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/mOrganize# | 17:08 |
| timsamoff | ...and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8Eh9OWfig | 17:08 |
| timsamoff | But, don't know about mOrganize. ;) | 17:09 |
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| aquatix | yeah, was looking at those picasa img's too | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | jaffa agreed, and yeah those pics are the ones | 17:13 |
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| aquatix | ciao | 17:14 |
| timsamoff | lcuk is still tied to IRC, though... Turn it off! :p | 17:15 |
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| lopz | hi | 17:26 |
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| dneary | hi lopz | 17:29 |
| lopz | heya dneary | 17:29 |
| nelson | hi, dneary. | 17:31 |
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| talig1 | lardman: are you here? I'm still struggling with some pygtk stuff... | 17:32 |
| dneary | talig1: What're you struggling with? I have done a little phgtk | 17:33 |
| talig1 | dneary: Trying to figure out how to know if a user clicked "ok" or "cancel" in a dialog. Documentation is slightly obscure (at least the parts of it that I've seen...) | 17:34 |
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| dneary | talig1: You need to test response_id (iirc) | 17:36 |
| talig1 | dneary: You don't say... How? | 17:36 |
| dneary | talig1: So - is the on_response signal connected? | 17:37 |
| talig1 | dneary: How do I connect it? | 17:38 |
| talig1 | dneary: Or better yet - where is this issue explained? | 17:38 |
| nomis | talig1: do you connect to any signals at the moment? | 17:39 |
| dneary | Sorry - in meeting at the same time | 17:39 |
| nomis | talig1: there is a lot of C examples out there. You'd probably need some creative reading to apply this to pygtk. | 17:40 |
| dneary | talig1: Here's a basic tutorial you can follow: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/sec-TheoryOfSignalsAndCallbacks.html | 17:41 |
| talig1 | nomis: I have connections of some things. Ok, hold on a sec. | 17:41 |
| talig1 | nomis: This tutorial is just telling me what I already know. Connecting events. | 17:42 |
| inz | If you use the run() -method, it returns the identifier for the pressed button | 17:42 |
| talig1 | inz: I do. Brilliant! Thanks a lot! | 17:42 |
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| nomis | ok, if you don't need the dialog running asynchronously this indeed is the easiest solution. | 17:43 |
| inz | well, the dialog is still kind-of running asynchronously | 17:43 |
| nomis | yeah, but your code "stops" at the run(). | 17:44 |
| talig1 | nomis: Until you close the dialog you can't do anything anyways. It's blocking. | 17:44 |
| talig1 | nomis: In anycase - this is what happens if you don't specifically tell it not to, you might be able to override this | 17:45 |
| dneary | talig1: Go to the next page, and then the page after that | 17:45 |
| dneary | The tutorial's pretty good | 17:46 |
| nomis | talig1: but your code could do something :) | 17:46 |
| talig1 | dneary: I didn't say it wasn't, I said it was irrelevant to my question. | 17:46 |
| talig1 | dneary: which it is, even in "the next page after that". | 17:47 |
| talig1 | nomis: Probably, but I don't need it to :) The wonders of developing in academia ;) | 17:47 |
| dneary | talig1: OK. Unfortunately, I don't have any more time to help you further. Best of luck in your research! | 17:47 |
| talig1 | dneary: It's fine, inz gave me the answer | 17:48 |
| talig1 | dneary: Thanks a bundle! | 17:48 |
| inz | nomis, it really only blocks the code path, all asynchronous events (timeouts, io channels etc) still work just fine | 17:49 |
| nomis | inz: I know. | 17:49 |
| inz | So you've basically just wasted some stack memory | 17:49 |
| nomis | inz: but you cannot set up a second dialog etc. There are a lot of scenarios where run() is just too limited. | 17:50 |
| nomis | eh, run() a second dialog. | 17:51 |
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| talig1 | nomis: What's the alternative, for the sake of my shabby education? :) | 17:52 |
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| * talig1 is going to test inz suggestion. brb | 17:55 | |
| inz | nomis, sure you can run() another dialog | 17:56 |
| inz | nomis, it will just create another main loop and waste another bunch of stack memory | 17:56 |
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| inz | I'm not totally sure though, what will happend if the dialogs aren't dismissed in order. | 17:59 |
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| inz | But likely the outer calls will block until the inner ones have all been processed | 17:59 |
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| dneary | slonopotamus: Ping? | 18:10 |
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| talig | inz: Works like a charm. Thanks alot! | 18:11 |
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| slonopotamus | dneary, pong. gtg, will be back in 30 mins | 18:22 |
| dneary | slonopotamus: So - you should *definitely* come to Amsterdam in October | 18:24 |
| dneary | It'll rock | 18:24 |
| dneary | And you'll be a rock star | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | am i weird for never having heard of 'Maemo co-creation workshops' before? :P | 18:33 |
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| cmug | does carman work in maemo 5 yet? | 18:34 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, sihhhh, it's a secret thing ;) | 18:40 |
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| VDVsx | kenneth, ping | 18:41 |
| kenneth | hey VDVsx | 18:42 |
| VDVsx | kenneth, your talk is scheduled for Saturday 10 at 12h, ok ? | 18:42 |
| andre__ | uh, talks get already scheduled? | 18:43 |
| kenneth | let me check | 18:43 |
| kenneth | VDVsx, perfect! | 18:43 |
| VDVsx | kenneth, it's the second day | 18:43 |
| kenneth | :-) | 18:43 |
| kenneth | thanks | 18:43 |
| VDVsx | np, thank dneary :) | 18:44 |
| dneary | andre__: Yes | 18:44 |
| dneary | We're scheduling them as we accept them | 18:44 |
| andre__ | nice (as long as i don't end up in the morning :-) | 18:44 |
| VDVsx | dneary, change andre's talk to the morning ? :P | 18:45 |
| dneary | andre__: Assuming your talk is accepted | 18:45 |
| dneary | andre__: You're at 16:30 on Saturday afternoon for the moment | 18:45 |
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| andre__ | if it's not accepted i do it in front of the building anyway, with my own beamer :-P | 18:46 |
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| wazd | heya all | 18:46 |
| VDVsx | hello wazd | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo wazd | 18:46 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx, dneary: could you please give a look at my reply too, when you've some minutes? http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Creating_Python_bindings_for_C_libraries_in_Maemo - thanks | 18:46 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, do you have a pico projector ? | 18:47 |
| dneary | Andy80: I think you should change the talk title & abstract to be a talk about pymaemo, rather than about binding libraries | 18:47 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, i'll buy one ;-) | 18:47 |
| dneary | Andy80: Does that sound reasonable to you? | 18:47 |
| Andy80 | dneary: it does... anyway my whole experience is based on the job I'm doing writing bindings for python-mafw, even for this reason I did think it was ok | 18:48 |
| Jaffa | dneary Andy80: lizardo was asked to pitch a PyMaemo talk earlier, BTW | 18:48 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, we also have another bindings talk proposal from a outstanding pymaemo contributor, that seems more maemo focused IMO | 18:48 |
| dneary | Jaffa: By who? | 18:49 |
| VDVsx | me probably | 18:49 |
| Andy80 | I didn't see any other pymaemo proposal when I subimitted mine.... | 18:49 |
| lizardo | dneary: I think he is talking about Marcelo Lira (aka setanta, not here ATM) | 18:50 |
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| VDVsx | lizardo, right | 18:50 |
| dneary | Ah, yes | 18:50 |
| lizardo | Andy80: it is not pymaemo related, but from a PyMaemo developer :) | 18:50 |
| Andy80 | lizardo: ok :) | 18:50 |
| lizardo | Andy80: although I don't know why two PyMaemo developers can't make presentations about different topics :) | 18:50 |
| VDVsx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Automatic_binding_generation_for_Qt_based_libraries | 18:51 |
| Andy80 | lizardo: don't ask to me :P | 18:51 |
| lizardo | Andy80: no asking , just wondering :) | 18:51 |
| Andy80 | lizardo: if I'm not wrong.... Qt uses SIP to generate bindings, right? | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, As dnery said, something like RAD with pymaemo will be better than bindings | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, are there any special cases for python bindings for maemo ? | 18:52 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: what do you mean with "RAD with pymaemo"? | 18:52 |
| VDVsx | rapid application development with pyMaemo | 18:53 |
| lizardo | Andy80: PyQt4 yes, but setanta is gonna talk about a whole new approach AFAIK | 18:53 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: not my stuff then... I just use Scratchbox+VIM to code :P | 18:53 |
| VDVsx | :( | 18:53 |
| Andy80 | sometimes I use Komodo Edit, but it's not an IDE.... | 18:54 |
| VDVsx | humm, but I'm not think in IDE's and tools, with talking about python himself | 18:54 |
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| VDVsx | S/think/thinking/ | 18:54 |
| Andy80 | there's already a presentation about ESBox from its team, that is the most close to RAD | 18:55 |
| Andy80 | ahhhhhhh | 18:55 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, sorry for the typos :P | 18:55 |
| Andy80 | you mean explaining how to code faster, using PyMaemo instead of C/C++ ? | 18:55 |
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| VDVsx | yup | 18:56 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, like presenting pymaemo, and what it can offer | 18:56 |
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| Andy80 | I understand now | 18:58 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, your initial submission seems and little bit hardcore, IMO, not sure if it would have a good number of people interested | 19:00 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: before submtting it I was thinking about a LT about python-mafw, the problem is: who is using MAFW itself at the moment? | 19:01 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, true :( | 19:02 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, do you know anything about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4874 ? Could be interesting for Mer, maybe | 19:02 |
| Andy80 | I know that it's a very important component in Fremantle, but I really don't know who is using it... imagine the python binding :) | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: post-lunch ping | 19:02 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Presumably a talk about MAFW, using Python as an example language, would be useful to any developer writing a media player | 19:03 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, a hands one session should work, but we already have one proposed by one of your colleagues :( | 19:04 |
| VDVsx | will be around C, I guess | 19:04 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: the problem is that python-mafw is in a very early stage at the moment... I'll work on it full time for another month, but I cannot know if it will be finished for the summit period.... | 19:04 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: yes, the one from Iago | 19:05 |
| Andy80 | surely he's more skilled than me about mafw :) | 19:05 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: well, I as said earlier, Andy80 and Marcelo Lira (setanta) are both from PyMaemo (including myself too) , but the talks they propose are unrelated ;) | 19:05 |
| lizardo | Andy80, VDVsx : ah, I see | 19:06 |
| lizardo | VDVsx: you mean the (C) MAFW vs. Python MAFW thing ? | 19:06 |
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| VDVsx | lizardo, I guess so | 19:07 |
| Andy80 | lizardo: would be interesting to see how much less code it requires :P (python, I mean) | 19:07 |
| lizardo | Andy80: I think it would be a lot shorter :) | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, what day are we penciled in for? | 19:08 |
| Andy80 | what I did understand is that Iago is going to introduce MAFW, in general, then he's going to concentrate on how to write plugins for it | 19:08 |
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| lizardo | Andy80: unfortunately , Iago's talk is about "Writing plugins for MAFW" which we can't yet in this first version :( | 19:10 |
| lizardo | I mean, we can't do it in Python yet | 19:10 |
| Andy80 | all I can do, at this point, is to propose a LT about python-mafw.... telling people that it exists, what point we've reached with binding and asking developers a bit of feedback... that's all for 5 minutes. | 19:10 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, think about that please, python-MAFW can be a good LT also, but you have to coordinated with Iago (if we accept his presentation, isn't decided yet) | 19:10 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, ? | 19:10 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx: sure I can coordinate with him :) | 19:11 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, and if you have some app to show, you are very welcome to submit another LT | 19:12 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, ah, okay. found the talk thread, so you know about it already :) | 19:13 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx: for the moment, I'll submit a LT about python-mafw. If then I find another interesting thing to talk about, I can submit another, but first a question: can a single person do 2 LT ? if yes, no problem for me... | 19:14 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, yes, we don't have any objection on that | 19:15 |
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| Andy80 | ok | 19:15 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, your session will be on Sunday morning :) | 19:17 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, actually, we are seeking for people that have cool maemo apps to show on the LT's, if you know someone, ping him/her or the content committee :) | 19:20 |
| Andy80 | all the people I know, already are in the schedule ;) | 19:21 |
| Andy80 | another big reason why lof of developers inside the community are not developing something interesting (yet) is because we still don't know which application will be shipped with the future N*** | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | nah, a lot must be convinced ;) | 19:23 |
| VDVsx | true | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: we'll see where that one goes.. regulation is a funny thing | 19:23 |
| Andy80 | the risk is that someone could work in his free time to a project that Nokia is already developing itself | 19:23 |
| andre__ | that's always the risk :-/ | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: fwiw, i track slonopotamus's awesome work and we often discuss it in #mer :) | 19:25 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, yeah, i realized afterwards when i saw his talk.maemo.org nickname (only saw the real name in bugzilla) | 19:25 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, Can you convince him to talk at the summit ? I offer you a beer :P | 19:26 |
| Andy80 | it's only my opinion, but... I think we'll get more people in the community once "fremantle" evolves to a real device. Before that time... I don't know... personally I wouldn't develop anything :P | 19:26 |
| Andy80 | (except Python parts that we know won't be officially supported....) | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: History shows Nokia's bundled apps to be pretty shit ;-) | 19:27 |
| Andy80 | History is made to learn :) I really hope they have learned something from the past | 19:28 |
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| GAN800 | Andy80, doubtful. | 19:28 |
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| Andy80 | let's sit down and wait, there's so much time :) (well.. months not years :P ) | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | :( | 19:30 |
| Jaffa | Trouble is we want to get the summit sorted, and might not be able to wait that long. | 19:31 |
| Andy80 | Jaffa: yes yes, I was just talking about future maemo applications from community | 19:31 |
| Andy80 | we need to concentrate on the summit now | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: Yeah, but if no one wants to talk at the summit, because they're waiting on a future Maemo release... | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: honestly though, would you want to leave home when you have a newborn baby? | 19:33 |
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| Andy80 | Jaffa: I didn't say that no one wants to talk... I just said that no one (or at least, very few developers) want to develop something for fremantle, but this is just my own personal opinion | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | Andy80: I don't disagree :-/ | 19:33 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, true, but it's just a few days :) | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Having a 6 month old, I can say "yes" ;-). But seriously it's only for a few days when it'll be 3 months old | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | Maybe I'm just jaded and/or used to abandoning my family | 19:34 |
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| GAN800 | lol | 19:35 |
| GAN800 | Jaffa the Deadbeat Dad | 19:35 |
| VDVsx | btw, what is the prize involved in the "device launch prediction" thread at tmo ? :P | 19:37 |
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| Luke-Jr | "it" -.- | 19:37 |
| Luke-Jr | children are not its | 19:37 |
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| Stskeeps | i'd actually like to see a common gentoo talk by Luke-Jr & slonopotamus | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | They are if you don't know the gender :-p | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | and their efforts and troubles putting a open system on the device | 19:37 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: is there any prize for it :) ? | 19:38 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: sounds like we both have new kids and won't be making it :þ | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's similar to ours except we decided to bend a little :) | 19:38 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, just kidding, because I think I gonna win :P | 19:38 |
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| Andy80 | I just would like to see a good product, I don't care if they make us to wait | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | heh, i was sold already at the developer units | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | and the kernel configs | 19:40 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, urg, sunday morning | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | i wont be back from hospital by then lol | 20:01 |
| RST38h | RST38h: 1, VAX: 0 | 20:01 |
| lcuk | w000t RST38h | 20:01 |
| RST38h | VMS boots | 20:01 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, keynotes are on the morning, luckily the party will be Friday :P | 20:01 |
| lcuk | i wasnt talking about the party lol | 20:02 |
| lcuk | im on about my inevitable trip to hospital | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | party friday? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | oh boy | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 16 o clock for me | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, doors again ? | 20:02 |
| VDVsx | lol | 20:02 |
| lcuk | uh huh | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | should be managable | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | sunday 9am doors open | 20:03 |
| lcuk | sunday 915am lcuk at the hospital | 20:03 |
| VDVsx | lolol | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: what are they doing to you this time? | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, experiments | 20:14 |
| lcuk | i will have my own scp article | 20:14 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, btw, I bet you have some cool app to show at the summit, did you ? :) | 20:15 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: I have already shown all my cool apps in Extras... :) | 20:17 |
| RST38h | lcuk: white caucasian male of european descent with no descernable features other than a data jack in his finger? =) | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: idea for talk since you're (i think) a bit in both camps - openmoko community, maemo.org comparisons | 20:18 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: I was thinking of a talk about possible ways to emulate keyboards and joysticks in a buttonless device, using EMULib as example | 20:19 |
| lcuk | RST38h :D excellent, paste that into an article and others will flesh it out | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: You should at least pretend to be carnivorous, in some eerie way | 20:20 |
| lcuk | does it count that i eat bacon. lots of bacon? | 20:20 |
| RST38h | (although I know how hard it is to beat some of the current SCPs) | 20:20 |
| RST38h | May work | 20:20 |
| RST38h | "Turns any living being he touches to bacon:" | 20:20 |
| lcuk | :O :D \o/ you know me so well | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | i best not masterbate then | 20:21 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, openmoko community is slowly dying, and I not active anymore on that community, but it's a good suggestion | 20:21 |
| RST38h | oh | 20:21 |
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| lcuk | brb baconifying things | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: i think there's definately material and lessons to be learned in that | 20:21 |
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| Stskeeps | heck, i'm even surprised maemo still has a community after 4 years..something must be going right :P | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Sts: until the last 6 months or so, yes | 20:22 |
| RST38h | things are stretched pretty thin right now though | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes and no - the last year has also fostered community in terms of Mer | 20:23 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, to be fair, I'm really impressed with the OM community still, some of them keep going the development, with very good progress, without almost any backup, and no new device on the horizon | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: oh, i think they're a very talented bunch of people, don't get me wrong | 20:24 |
| RST38h | Sts: That is a bit differenct though | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, true | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | but yes, of course people are stretched if you look on HW side, and patience regarding releases.. another good topic is - why complain about not having fixes for your PC that can't run Vista, but runs XP? | 20:25 |
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| VDVsx | Stskeeps, lol | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | that's the FIF argument deep down | 20:25 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, you can also showcase your apps already in extras in a LT, or something new :) | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: i wonder how many % of FIF bugs can be directly fixed by a simple backport to diablo | 20:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: so... | 20:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | it turns out that google reader key bindings *sometimes* work | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | the logic behind "sometimes" is beyond me | 20:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: sadly, that isn't the debian way ;-) | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | first you upgrade your base libraries, then you change your dependencies to match, and then you fix bugs | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and then when someone tries to backport, they're missing a base library :) | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | enter Mer. | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | where we get problems because our base libraries are actually too new ;) | 20:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | debian, making windows dll hell seem so much better than linux-so hell and debian dep hell | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm having fun right now ripping out libhildonhelp of Mer | 20:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | btw, how do people feel about help? | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit of a bother to remove, but i think reaction to it's removal isn't that bad.. | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | removal should have done in prealpha1 though | 20:34 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 20:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | i'm fairly certain we knew long in advance that it was dead | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | so that sounds like an error | 20:34 |
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| GAN800 | I wonder how many people a day message nickserb. | 20:36 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: happen to remember where your post on how to go about community SSU was? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | i need to refer to it in a post | 20:37 |
| woglinde | hm today I am look the ti gstreamer code | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: you'd want to /quote nickserv | 20:40 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: I do not have anything new at the moment, most of my recent work has been for hire | 20:42 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: And not sure if anyone needs my apps showcased beyond Extras :) | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: any good bugzilla foo on seeing what diablo bugs / earlier that was fixed in fremantle? :> | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | um, FIXED tm:Fremantle in quicksearch? | 20:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | (doesn't seem to work) | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | well, maybe it'd work if bugs.maemo upgraded? :) | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | 2.22 isn't support and isn't secure | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=FIXED+tm%3AFremantle gives me some kind of idea | 20:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | it isn't working though | 20:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=Fremantle&resolution=FIXED | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | ta | 20:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's a trivial query to do in the advanced search btw (which is how i wrote it) | 20:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure a current bugzilla would have let my qs work though ... | 20:51 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo johnsq | 21:01 |
| slonopotamus | i'm back. it took longer than i expected | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | checkup or? | 21:01 |
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| talig | Hi everyone. I got a quirky question: Is there any place that describes exactly what of pygtk was ported to maemo? Since gtk.ver gives 2.14, I have methods working that were introduced in 2.4 and methods not working though introduced in 2.12.... | 21:08 |
| lizardo | talig: do you have specific examples ? | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | wow, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=308137 wasn't closed WONTFIX | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | err | 21:09 |
| slonopotamus | i meant https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4874 | 21:09 |
| talig | lizardo: for not working: ToolButton.set_tooltip_text | 21:10 |
| talig | lizardo: Docs say 2.12, works on my laptop (2.16), doesn't on the N810 (thought version claimed is 2.14) | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i really think the problematique may be they can't aid breaking regulation or something | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | FCC and co are nasty people | 21:11 |
| lizardo | talig: what do you mean by "not working", the method is at least there : | 21:11 |
| lizardo | >>> gtk.ToolButton.set_tooltip_text | 21:11 |
| lizardo | <method 'set_tooltip_text' of 'gtk.ToolItem' objects> | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: but yes, you're the first person to directly ask | 21:11 |
| lizardo | talig: hmm | 21:12 |
| lizardo | talig: nao I see that you are talking about Diablo right ? | 21:12 |
| lizardo | nao -> now | 21:12 |
| talig | lizardo: not working == crashes claiming ToolButton does not have such an attribute (though I clearly use ()) | 21:12 |
| talig | lizardo: bingo | 21:12 |
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| lizardo | talig: Diablo has pygtk 2.12 | 21:13 |
| lizardo | talig: is it supposed to have such method? | 21:13 |
| talig | Supposed to have been introduced in 2.12. And I have the reverse example now: set_tooltip(tooltips, tip_text=None, tip_private=None) for the same item, supposed to be valid as of 2.4 | 21:14 |
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| talig | it doesn't show the tooltip - but it doesn't crash either. | 21:14 |
| talig | lizardo: As for set_tooltip_text, docs say: "This method is available in PyGTK 2.12 and above." | 21:15 |
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| javispedro | talig, it may be PyGTK 2.12 but Diablo's GTK version is 2.10 AFAIK | 21:16 |
| talig | javispedro: I'm really getting confused here. a) lizardo claimed 2.12. b) Still doesn't explain why things that should be available as of 2.4(!) don't make it crash | 21:17 |
| talig | javispedro: and if I run python, import gtk and do: gtk.ver on the n810 I get: (2,14,1) | 21:18 |
| lizardo | talig: I thing the problem is that the underlying gtk libs in Diablo don't have this method: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.1/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/libgtk2.0/GtkToolButton.html | 21:18 |
| javispedro | ^^^seen the URL? version 2.10 | 21:18 |
| lizardo | talig: even though we have PyGtk 2.12, what determines what will be in the binding is that underlying gtk libs | 21:19 |
| lizardo | talig: so even if we have pygtk 2.12 in diablo, as it has libgtk 2.10 , Pygtk will disable the 2.12 features | 21:19 |
| talig | javispedro: I really don't care what version it is, I care for consistency - which doesn't exist. | 21:20 |
| talig | lizardo: It doesn't have set_tooltip() either, but that doesn't crash. | 21:20 |
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| lizardo | talig: it exists: simply follow that 2.10 docs, unfortunately , the PyGtk documentation hardcodes references to the PyGtk versions, what it should have been mentioning the underlying C library version | 21:21 |
| talig | lizardo: strike the last one. it's in ToolItem | 21:21 |
| talig | lizardo: Thanks. Gone to make the damned tooltips work. wish me luck... | 21:22 |
| lizardo | talig: good luck :) | 21:22 |
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| pupnik | anybody interested in getting a boat in amsterdam oct 8-12? would run to about 45 euro/night | 21:23 |
| pupnik | you get the boat to yourself, 4 beds, kitchen, a nice deck to chill and drink beers | 21:23 |
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| talig | lizardo: Thanks. Got it to work, it behaves weird, but I suppose that just the way it is... | 21:25 |
| talig | meh. | 21:25 |
| lizardo | talig: probably due to (lack of) hildonizations, but I'm no expert on it :) | 21:26 |
| talig | lizardo: elaborate? The weird behavior is that if you touch the icons like you normally would - they're just being clicked, it takes a delicate hand to have it marked without clicking to show the tooltip | 21:27 |
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| pupnik | heh @ brainrot | 21:30 |
| lizardo | talig: well, I don't do gui programming myself, but I keep seeing on maemo-developers complaints about some gtk widgets not working/showing properly on Maemo... the usual answer is that that widget was not adapted to be used on Maemo, and is available only because Gtk has it.. anyway, other people might know better :) | 21:30 |
| pupnik | lardman: wats new | 21:30 |
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| lardman | pupnik: hey, not much, got married now less busy :) | 21:30 |
| pupnik | o/ | 21:31 |
| pupnik | congrats | 21:31 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 21:31 |
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| lardman | or were you talking about the business bit :D | 21:31 |
| lardman | s/business/busyness | 21:31 |
| * lardman needs to stop typing in word processors and remember how to spell | 21:32 | |
| johnsq | what is busyness? | 21:33 |
| RST38h | the state of being busy? | 21:33 |
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| lardman | that was my thought anyway, but the more I look at it the stranger the spelling seems, I think I need to stop for the day | 21:35 |
| RST38h | let us ask google | 21:35 |
| lardman | ~google busyness | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | 665000 for busyness | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Both Merriam Webster and TheDictionary know itr | 21:36 |
| johnsq | german dict http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=thMx..&search=busyness also | 21:37 |
| lardman | yeah that's the one | 21:37 |
| pupnik | oh just wondering how things were going | 21:38 |
| RST38h | ah German... | 21:38 |
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| lardman | pupnik: not bad anyway, other than the spelling :) and you? | 21:39 |
| lardman | RST38h: thanks, glad I'm not going mad (too mad anyway) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | lardman: check the fridge, somebody lit a light there | 21:40 |
| pupnik | great. got operation on herniated disc, and pain all gone! birds singing, sun shining. would be fun to get a boat for the amsterdam summit, but i'll probably just sleep in the car | 21:41 |
| lardman | ah, well I know they didn't 'cos I blew the circuit the other day while trying to fit a new bulb | 21:41 |
| lardman | pupnik: glad your back's sorted | 21:41 |
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| RST38h | heh | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile, the God is busy sabotaging LHC | 21:43 |
| lardman | I didn't realise it was a 240V circuit in there, lucky I didn't do any more damage! | 21:43 |
| lardman | again? more leaking He? | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Multiple magnet failures | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Cause unknown, but we all know =) | 21:44 |
| lardman | yeah, he's got to make up a bit of new theory so we can find something out | 21:44 |
| * GAN800 loves potluck. | 21:44 | |
| lardman | I imagine he's regretting the decision to allow atoms to be divisible ;) | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | lardman: prolly not as much as the premature termination of large flying carnivorous lizards | 21:46 |
| lardman | yeah but they didn't exist, he just put their bones in the ground, another mistake - more work | 21:47 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, it's all about intent :) i want to respect regulations. but in order to do that, need some docs :) | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: that's a good argument :P | 21:51 |
| caotic | I just hear in the linux action show that there is a new tablet is just out there, havent been able to find anything about it ? do you guys know anything about this ? | 21:52 |
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| * slonopotamus tried to understand what Quim meant in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=308736&postcount=25 but failed. | 21:53 | |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: will find it | 21:53 |
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| lardman | slonopotamus: basically that it would be useful for someone to make a prioritised list of components to be opened | 21:54 |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, meh. so making bme №1 will suddenly convince nokia to open it? i doubt | 21:56 |
| lardman | probably not, but at least then Quim can skip the ones that won't be opened and go to the next one.... | 21:57 |
| lardman | etc | 21:57 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=304018&highlight=ssu#post304018 if you still need it | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=308832 | 21:58 |
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| woglinde | re | 21:59 |
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| lardman | slonopotamus: I think Stskeeps had a list somewhere on the Mer pages already now I think about it | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | i think we have a few actually | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | lardman, yeah, i read it | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: maemo.org website is all CC by-sa 3.0? | 22:01 |
| lardman | bbiab | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: reason why i'm asking is simple.. does this mean that anything under api_refs is CC by-sa 3.0 too | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | lardman|afk ping | 22:06 |
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| woglinde | hoi lcuk | 22:08 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde \o | 22:08 |
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| lcuk | are you done with college/uni now woglinde or have you got more to do | 22:09 |
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| woglinde | lcuk 3 oral exams, the thesis(I started it, but not got very far) and a report about pratical work | 22:19 |
| lcuk | ahh ok, so you should be finished by next week :D | 22:19 |
| woglinde | the last is ready since 3/4 year but need some polish | 22:19 |
| woglinde | lol | 22:19 |
| RST38h | fun | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, i thought you were from poland? | 22:26 |
| woglinde | lcuk lol | 22:27 |
| woglinde | berlin is not in poland | 22:27 |
| lcuk | yeah, that would be a bit of a commute | 22:28 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders when he gets barred from submitting bugs :P | 22:31 | |
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| woglinde | jesus | 22:32 |
| RST38h | Sts: The real question is whether you get tired first =) | 22:32 |
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| woglinde | what the hell I need for this damned dsp | 22:32 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, I'd've been barred way before you. ;) | 22:33 |
| woglinde | 5 software packages from TI | 22:33 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN800: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4877 (Request clarification of license for API documentation published) will be interesting in terms of how Nokia wants to act | 22:35 |
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| woglinde | ~lart TI | 22:38 |
| * infobot slaps a compatible dib on TI's head | 22:38 | |
| woglinde | why the hell they dont ship a eclipse plugin instead of full flavor jre and eclipse | 22:38 |
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| GAN800 | Stskeeps, besides, the people holding the keys aren't Nokians. ;) | 22:49 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Any chance of the meeting log from earlier being published on http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ ? | 23:09 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, kde 4.3 is out. changelog lists lower memory usage for plasma. time to try? :) | 23:55 |
| Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: already 2 steps ahead of you | 23:55 |
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| slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, oh, already waiting for 4.4? :D | 23:56 |
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