| ShadowJK | There's one company that makes truck sized batteries for power balancing | 00:00 |
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| jhford | qwerty12_N810: you are the person who did the initfs_flasher right? | 00:16 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | No, that would be fanoush who does not frequent IRC | 00:17 |
| jhford | oh, ok | 00:17 |
| jhford | do you know the 'proper' way to copy the root filesystem from on the device to on the computer? | 00:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | tar (if done from a cloned SD install/initfs) should work but in the rare times I've done, I've used mkfs.jffs2 from initfs and mounted the resulting image on the computer | 00:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | s/done/done it | 00:20 |
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| jhford | i am finding that i can rsync -a and it will boot but certain gui elements won't work correctly | 00:26 |
| jhford | like the button theming on the shutdown prmopt and as a result the system is not stable | 00:27 |
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| lardman | night all | 00:29 |
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| jhford | qwerty12_N810: so you are booting to the initfs? | 00:32 |
| jhford | how does that work | 00:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jhford: bootmenu has a recovery mode that lets you ssh in via usb | 00:33 |
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| jhford | ohh, i don't have a usb networking card :( | 00:34 |
| javispedro | the n810 _acts_ as a usb networking card | 00:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Using the usb port on the tablet :) | 00:34 |
| jhford | that is neat | 00:34 |
| jhford | i do have booting from a flash card set up, so i guess i can do that as well | 00:35 |
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| jhford | it is just getting annoying when i create my own image and it doesn't have the shutdown prompt working | 00:35 |
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| talig | Gtk --> Meh. | 00:35 |
| jhford | right, but there are other things wrong with it | 00:36 |
| jhford | i.e. it is not completing tests that non-imaged n810s are doing fine | 00:36 |
| talig | jhford: I'm struggling with it myself right now. What's your problem? | 00:37 |
| talig | jhford: I try to put a custom image in a toolbar, and my script crashes because a "physical_to_logical" assertion is failing somewhere inside gtk :( | 00:37 |
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| jhford | well, when i do an image by booting from a flash card and mounting /dev/mtdblock4 and rsync -a 'ing that onto a pc then running mkfs.jffs2 on the pc it doesn't properly theme the gtk buttons | 00:38 |
| jhford | but if i use the mkfs.jffs2 that is in the initfs_flasher.tgz package and create the image on device, gtk works fine | 00:39 |
| jhford | talig: i am not really doing any scripting on device :( | 00:39 |
| talig | Hmmm... Interesting. I'm going to try something. brb | 00:39 |
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| talig | oh well, that was a nice yet futile try :( jhford, I was wondering if I will save a copy of the image on the device if that would fix it. The answer is no | 00:42 |
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| jhford | if i use mkfs.jffs2 on device i can clone the device as much as i like | 00:43 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 00:51 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 18h 42m 50s ago, saying: ' '. | 00:51 |
| xnt14 | lol | 00:51 |
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| * javispedro wonders why not only he has to build glibc three times, but also why he has to see the glibc tests pass with perfect marks... 3 times. all while his athlon burns at nearly 90ºC. then remembers some people actually build _on_ the tablet | 01:05 | |
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| talig | Anyone here that wrote some pygtk apps? I'm contemplating on smashing my N810 against the wall... | 01:12 |
| * qwerty12_N810 did that with his N800, touchscreen has never been the same since... | 01:13 | |
| woglinde | cool -> http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=55 | 01:14 |
| javispedro | it has wifi! | 01:16 |
| woglinde | and ethernet | 01:16 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: I did it with the floor yesterday and my old Nokia 6120 - proving a point about what Nokia do well and should stick to ;) | 01:16 |
| woglinde | and 512 nand | 01:16 |
| javispedro | kaufen kaufen kaufen | 01:16 |
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| woglinde | javispedro erst ab september | 01:18 |
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| javispedro | pretty nice | 01:24 |
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| talig | Ah! Progress!!! Damn totally uninformative error messages... | 01:24 |
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| wazd__ | eeeh | 01:38 |
| wazd__ | looks like FF just killed all my bookmarks | 01:38 |
| javispedro | ah, the wonders of sqlite | 01:38 |
| javispedro | i think you came to the right channel to complain about it :P | 01:38 |
| javispedro | ;) | 01:38 |
| wazd__ | isn't it anime channel? :) | 01:39 |
| javispedro | i am not sure about that, but sqlite has received its fair share of maemo hate ;) | 01:40 |
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| javispedro | (and love) | 01:40 |
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| jhford_ | is sqlite on maemo no good? | 01:43 |
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| wazd | whew, thanks for Windows, chkdisk saved my life :) | 02:03 |
| woglinde | ???? | 02:05 |
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| talig | Guys - application question: Does anyone know if I can trust Maemo Mapper as a navigational system? | 02:13 |
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| till- | does it not just use server based routing provided bei google etc? | 02:19 |
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| talig | till- I have no idea - that's why I'm asking. | 02:31 |
| till- | afaik it's server based | 02:32 |
| talig | till-: What's about Carman? | 02:32 |
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| till- | i got a 3-year license for wayfinder and a car mount for 5,55 euro | 02:32 |
| till- | navit may be a free alternative, but it's very beta i think | 02:33 |
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| woglinde | hm I heard wayfinder is shit | 02:33 |
| till- | works quite well for me | 02:33 |
| till- | except it's a little bit slow and you have to change the current map set if you cross a border | 02:34 |
| till- | :) | 02:34 |
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| talig | till-: Had network issues... Could you repeat? | 02:34 |
| till- | <till-> i got a 3-year license for wayfinder and a car mount for 5,55 euro | 02:34 |
| till- | <till-> navit may be a free alternative, but it's very beta i think | 02:34 |
| till- | <woglinde> hm I heard wayfinder is shit | 02:35 |
| till- | <till-> works quite well for me | 02:35 |
| till- | <till-> except it's a little bit slow and you have to change the current map set if you cross a border | 02:35 |
| till- | <till-> :) | 02:35 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lol | 02:35 |
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| jhford_ | what does the flasher-3.0 --set-root-device mmc boot from? | 02:41 |
| jhford_ | (internal or external) | 02:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Either one it finds /sbin/init on according to /mnt/initfs/linuxrc | 02:46 |
| jhford_ | so when i do that does the external card become /dev/mmcblk0 instead of 1? | 02:51 |
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| jhford_ | apparently | 02:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | External should be 1, but there's a nice bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 | 02:53 |
| jhford_ | should but isn't correct? | 02:55 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | External is meant to be 1 (and usually is) but that bug (mentioned in that report) can make it 0 under certain situations | 02:58 |
| jhford_ | hmm, this seems to be one of those situations | 02:58 |
| jhford_ | i have a system on external memory and it was /dev/mmcblk0 | 02:58 |
| jhford_ | i even wrote a file to /testing and it was on my sd card | 02:59 |
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| jhford_ | is /dev/mtdblock particularly fast compared to flash? | 03:02 |
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| javispedro | yahoo! | 03:10 |
| javispedro | it was a long wait | 03:10 |
| javispedro | but scratchbox now works with vdso enabled ;) | 03:11 |
| javispedro | (randomized vdso I mean) | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | heh, you have to be really careful with bluetooth internet on n810 | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | it easily wedges itself into consuming lots of power | 03:14 |
| ShadowJK | while still functioning perfectly | 03:14 |
| jhford_ | wow, writing 4gb to a class4 memory card is sloooow | 03:17 |
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| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: cx3110x (wifi) has memory leaks too | 03:27 |
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| javispedro | well, if anyone is interested in running sbox1 with vdso enabled, check the post I just sent to scratchbox-devel: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-devel/2009-August/000457.html | 03:45 |
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| Macer | If you are in the market for a highly portable second computer, good news! We intend to start shipping the Touch Book next month, in July 2009. Our first batch of Touch Books is already in production. Check out photos of the very first unit below and stay tuned for the precise shipping date. | 10:31 |
| * Macer checks the date | 10:31 | |
| Macer | :) | 10:31 |
| Macer | maybe when they say "in production" they are hand making them by smelting the copper and pressing the silicon boards? | 10:31 |
| Macer | in some ancient temple | 10:32 |
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| genewitch | hey guys, what do i do on mer to get the full application lists? is it the redpill thing or is there another way? | 10:37 |
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| genewitch | robots, sound off | 10:41 |
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| slonopotamus | genewitch, better ask that on #mer | 11:07 |
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| lardman | morning | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 12:41 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 12:41 |
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| lardman | anyone got/used a Q1 ultra? Any good? | 12:43 |
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| slonopotamus | Meizirkki, what exactly do you expect from dsp support? | 13:12 |
| Meizirkki | now mer needs stuff from nokia repos (osso-dsp-loader i think), i was just throwing ideas in the thread :) | 13:16 |
| slonopotamus | oh, loader | 13:17 |
| slonopotamus | that should be simple | 13:17 |
| slonopotamus | Meizirkki, + dspctl? | 13:18 |
| * Meizirkki checks if he knows what he's talking about | 13:18 | |
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| linuxhippy | hi, i've troubles compiling the cx3110x module myself | 13:19 |
| linuxhippy | what do I have to do with it? make modules simply fails with: | 13:19 |
| linuxhippy | make: *** SUBDIRS=/home/ce/cx3110x/src: No such file or directory. Stop. | 13:19 |
| Meizirkki | slonopotamus, nope, i didn't. it was osso-dsp-modules-rx-44 missing | 13:19 |
| Meizirkki | according to this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/3rd_party_wishlist | 13:20 |
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| slonopotamus | oh, didn't know about that page | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | osso-dsp-loader is oss, the things it loads isnt | 14:06 |
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| wazd | hello maemo | 14:25 |
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| thux | helo | 14:26 |
| thux | merinstaller said cfdisk not found | 14:28 |
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| lardman | does anyone know what it is in the nokia charger that fails so frequently? | 14:48 |
| lardman | connection in the tip or something? | 14:48 |
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| woglinde | lardman did you see this already? | 14:56 |
| woglinde | http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58:isee-codec-engine-framework&catid=1:latest-news | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | that isnt free and for omap2 too is it? | 14:58 |
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| woglinde | stskeepds dont yet | 14:58 |
| woglinde | apllied for the sdk last night | 14:58 |
| woglinde | so I guess not for monday I can say more | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | c64+ dsp | 14:58 |
| woglinde | yeah | 14:58 |
| woglinde | if you look at the video it outperforms cpu+neon only | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | does omap2 have such one? | 14:59 |
| woglinde | the n8xx have ja earlier version of this dsp | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:59 |
| woglinde | stskeep I found that board yesterday looking how the beagleboard is hd-tv doing | 15:00 |
| woglinde | but I guess I will buy it | 15:01 |
| woglinde | its only 149 euro | 15:01 |
| woglinde | inside eu | 15:01 |
| woglinde | so no toll I hope | 15:01 |
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| thux | merinstaller put maemo's disk space full only 1kt free, where does it store files? | 16:35 |
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| Macer | well | 16:38 |
| Macer | have to hand it to zfs | 16:38 |
| Macer | one of my OS/boot drives died | 16:38 |
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| Macer | i woke up to my fileserver not working :) | 16:38 |
| Macer | boot off the other drive | 16:38 |
| Macer | good | 16:38 |
| Macer | too bad it didn't real time it..the system still crashed | 16:39 |
| Macer | guess the 2 port real hw raid is still the best way to go | 16:39 |
| * Macer goes to buy one | 16:39 | |
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| lbt | Macer: nah... HW RAID is a bad idea unless you spend real cash on real servers | 16:44 |
| woglinde | hi lbt | 16:44 |
| lbt | hey woglinde | 16:44 |
| woglinde | shopping now | 16:44 |
| lbt | good | 16:44 |
| lbt | I have updates that I really must push sometime | 16:45 |
| GAN800 | I can't believe people put up with BIOS. | 16:45 |
| woglinde | but not a hardware server | 16:45 |
| woglinde | aeh raid | 16:45 |
| woglinde | lbt for qt-maemo stuff? | 16:45 |
| lbt | nah, for Shopper :) | 16:45 |
| * GAN800 mourns Open Firmware. | 16:45 | |
| GAN800 | Somehow I never ecountered any blank screens with flashing cursors there. | 16:46 |
| * lbt used to do a lot on linux RAID | 16:46 | |
| lbt | was going to write the hotswap bit but Mer won out | 16:46 |
| thux | merinstaller collapsed afterwards it filled maemos disk space full | 16:51 |
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| Jaffa | af'noon, all | 17:43 |
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| z4chh | hi Jaffa | 17:44 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 18:14 |
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| GAN800 | Ah, Talk. Because Diablo can run Qt 4.5, but doesn't have a Fremantle backport, clearly Fremantle devices wont be able run Harmattan. | 20:37 |
| woglinde | gan???? | 20:38 |
| The_Tall1 | Hi there i've got a N810 prototype and develop with Qt. Can someone give me a valid mac_adress to get the newest OS cause mine is <unknown> | 20:39 |
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| woglinde | n810 prototype? | 20:39 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The_Tall1: google has a lot of N810 MACs *whistles* | 20:40 |
| lbt | The_Tall1: no need | 20:41 |
| lbt | Oh, sorry... misread.. nm | 20:41 |
| The_Tall1 | I didnt expect people being that "special" to call out their macs ... | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | The_Tall1: /sbin/ifconfig | 20:47 |
| The_Tall1 | I've got my own but that one doesnt work with the devicecheck on the nokia software support page | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com ? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | oh, prototype.. | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'd just grab mer and use qt on that, personally. but yeah, web has a lot of n810 mmacs | 20:51 |
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| GAN800 | woglinde- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=308181 | 20:56 |
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| ali1234 | hi. does anyone know if the n770 uses an external usb tranceiver? | 21:22 |
| ali1234 | or does it use the stuff inside the omap soc? | 21:22 |
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| GuySoft | hey, is there a way to send SMS via skype on the nokia N810? | 22:18 |
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| The_Tall1 | now that i got ah mac and the new firmware flasher fails with USB device not found. Even with lsusb it doesnt show up anymore. Any suggestions. No reaction on any pressed buttons. now I am worried. | 23:03 |
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