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| xnt14[work] | VDVsx, noooooo | 00:01 |
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| * xnt14[work] kills infobot | 00:01 | |
| xnt14[work] | wait | 00:01 |
| xnt14[work] | first ill kill VDVsx | 00:01 |
| xnt14[work] | ~kill VDVsx | 00:01 |
| * infobot shoots a super-inverse fluxpositrino gun at VDVsx | 00:01 | |
| xnt14[work] | ~die | 00:01 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 00:01 | |
| xnt14[work] | ;) | 00:01 |
| xnt14[work] | ~zombie | 00:02 |
| infobot | from memory, zombie is a zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent,just ignore the zombie. | 00:02 |
| xnt14[work] | hmm | 00:02 |
| xnt14[work] | :P | 00:02 |
| xnt14[work] | ~risefromthedead | 00:02 |
| xnt14[work] | xD | 00:02 |
| xnt14[work] | nah | 00:02 |
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| * xnt14[work] gets in his flightsim and then kills VDVsx with a f22, via his x52 | 00:03 | |
| xnt14[work] | ;) | 00:03 |
| VDVsx | xnt14[work], I'm still alive :P | 00:04 |
| * VDVsx lives in a bunker :) | 00:04 | |
| * xnt14[work] lives on mars | 00:04 | |
| xnt14[work] | :P | 00:04 |
| xnt14[work] | ~nuke VDVsx's bunker | 00:05 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at VDVsx's bunker ... B☢☢M! | 00:05 | |
| xnt14[work] | hmm | 00:05 |
| xnt14[work] | spam..... | 00:05 |
| xnt14[work] | oh wait | 00:05 |
| xnt14[work] | thats my autotab completion xD | 00:05 |
| xnt14[work] | ~stab VDVsx | 00:06 |
| * infobot runs at VDVsx with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. | 00:06 | |
| xnt14[work] | ~chase VDVsx | 00:06 |
| * infobot chases VDVsx | 00:06 | |
| * xnt14[work] glances at GA, then runs.... | 00:06 | |
| xnt14[work] | ok ill stop | 00:06 |
| xnt14[work] | :P | 00:06 |
| VDVsx | xnt14[work], ok, I surrender, enough IRC spam for today :P | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | kids.. | 00:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:07 |
| lcuk | like you dont send your robotic army off in #mer every 5 minutes :P | 00:07 |
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| Macer | hm | 00:12 |
| Macer | i really need to get an n810 | 00:12 |
| Macer | i actually hope i get outbid in a minute | 00:12 |
| Macer | then i'll just order one from amazon next day or something | 00:12 |
| Macer | just so i can use the scan tool with my car haha | 00:12 |
| * Macer is about to spend $450 just to watch his car stats | 00:12 | |
| Stskeeps | 450 for a n810? | 00:13 |
| Stskeeps | back off :P | 00:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | More like run | 00:14 |
| LinuxCode | I seell you mine for that | 00:14 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 00:14 |
| LinuxCode | and buy a new one | 00:14 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 00:14 |
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| LinuxCode | and save money | 00:14 |
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| mavhc | I checked uk prices, they're 150ukps, down from 240 a year ago | 00:41 |
| mavhc | at that price I considered, for a moment, buying another | 00:42 |
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| javispedro | ok, the time has come. I need to install the fremantle sdk. | 01:02 |
| javispedro | oh, why do scratchbox targets share $HOME | 01:03 |
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| lardman | ~lart WinXP for rebooting without asking permission | 01:06 |
| * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags WinXP into court suing for $200 million for rebooting without asking permission | 01:06 | |
| lardman | Jaffa: ping | 01:08 |
| Jaffa | lardman: pong | 01:09 |
| Jaffa | (just) | 01:09 |
| lardman | Just wondering how I should submit my wiimote patch to you | 01:10 |
| lardman | might be worth getting it out for some testing | 01:10 |
| Jaffa | Whatever's easiest for you: tarball of the whole lot and I'll pick it apart, patch against svn, <whatever /> | 01:10 |
| Jaffa | Is there a good page on pairing and using a Wiimote with an N8x0? | 01:11 |
| lardman | cool ok, will sort something out tomorrow when I reboot to Linux | 01:11 |
| lardman | The pairing is all done in sw, just make sure BT is on, hit the 1&2 keys on the wiimote and off it goes | 01:11 |
| lardman | in sw meaning the sw on the N8x0 does the pairing without needing any input from the user | 01:12 |
| Jaffa | Additional s/w required on the tablet? (I see a reference to 'wiicontrol' here: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2008/05/wiicontrol-for-nokia-n810-n800.html) | 01:12 |
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| lardman | not for your code no, it can all be done in the Python code | 01:12 |
| lardman | hang on a tick and I'll upload it so you can have a look-see | 01:12 |
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| * Jaffa may have to justify buying a Wii. Or at least a wiimote ;-) | 01:14 | |
| lardman | I only bought a remote | 01:14 |
| lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/ | 01:14 |
| * javispedro remembers he has to read about how the new wiimote+ works | 01:14 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 would recommend just the remote. The games suck | 01:15 | |
| lardman | I nicked the code from here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pyaxelwii/ | 01:16 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Did you solve the lag problem? | 01:16 |
| lardman | no, not really | 01:16 |
| lardman | I thought perhaps more eyes might help things | 01:16 |
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| lardman | I can't work out why the accel readings seem to backup when the display is drawn, almost as if my buffer emptying before reading isn't doing it's job | 01:17 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I'll have a look through and think about it | 01:18 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, the games may sucks in terms of graphics compared to the ps3 ones, but believe that the wii provides much more fun :P | 01:18 |
| lardman | There are lots of different pywiimote.py files scudding around, all doing various clever things with the output data to scale, etc | 01:18 |
| lardman | Jaffa: cheers | 01:18 |
| javispedro | VDVsx, let the flamewar begin! I move myself to the Wii side | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: only fun game that I have is the Wii Fit :\ | 01:19 |
| lardman | Jaffa: here's the technical nitty-gritty on the wiimote: http://wiibrew.org/wiki/Wiimote | 01:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: are there any sword fighting games, that sort of thing? | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | dunno, not really into sword fights ;) | 01:19 |
| lardman | though as with the tennis games, it's probably more fun to actually go outside and do it for real | 01:20 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, mario kart, tennis...:) | 01:20 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: come to the summit, I'll teach you :) | 01:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: There's a Star Wars game where you use the wiimote as a lightsabre | 01:20 |
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| lardman | hmm, sounds promising, but still, outside :) | 01:21 |
| Jaffa | Difficult to get in reality | 01:21 |
| VDVsx | I think in zelda, you can also use the wiimote as a sword | 01:21 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Mario Kart is too repetitive, but tennis isn't bad, granted | 01:21 |
| lardman | Jaffa: lightsabres? Paint your broomstick day-glo, works a treat and very little chance of losing a wrist | 01:21 |
| Jaffa | lardman: You've never played stick fights with my brothers... | 01:22 |
| VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, I don't own a wii, can't argue your last point, but I has a lot of fun playing mario kart in a friend's place :) | 01:23 |
| lardman | Jaffa: aikido boys play hard, chipped fingers, etc. - I need to buy some ice hockey gloves | 01:24 |
| lardman | should be "The aikido ..." | 01:24 |
| * Jaffa had a school friend who, at university, nearly got his hand chopped entirely off whilst doing sword-based jujitsu (IIRC) | 01:24 | |
| lardman | well it's a learning experience I guess | 01:25 |
| lardman | :) | 01:25 |
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| lardman | changing topic, do we reckon the shrunk-in-the-wash N97 thing is not the N900? | 01:26 |
| Jaffa | I dunno; a more interesting slide than the N810 appeals - and the keyboard layout matches the rumours | 01:27 |
| Jaffa | baloo's point about the logo being apt for portrait, but not landscape was a good'un | 01:27 |
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| lardman | it is smaller though, screen-wise | 01:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | We all know that Fremantle will support portrait, very well... /s | 01:28 |
| lardman | perhaps 3.5" is rounded to the nearest 1/2 inch :) | 01:30 |
| javispedro | this just in: n1000 with a 0.5'' screen | 01:30 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: The rumours of the RX-51 had a smaller screen (but higher res) than the N97? | 01:32 |
| lardman | I thought the rumour was for a 3.5" screen at higher res? | 01:33 |
| Jaffa | Rumour was for a 3.5" screen at 800x480; but I dunno what the N97's specs are | 01:33 |
| Jaffa | yerga's posted this to tmo: http://img.xatakamovil.com/2009/07/nokia-n97-mini-01.jpg | 01:34 |
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| lardman | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/8590_Nokia_N97-Nseries_with_QWERTY_.php 3.5" too | 01:34 |
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| lardman | hmm, is there a model number on that image? | 01:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | N00 | 01:38 |
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| lardman | naming reboot? :) | 01:38 |
| javispedro | overflow | 01:38 |
| lardman | NInf surely | 01:38 |
| Stskeeps | is it just me or does http://img.xatakamovil.com/2009/07/nokia-n97-mini-01.jpg label seem fake? :P | 01:39 |
| Jaffa | The N810 prototypes that I saw pictures of had "N00" as the model code too | 01:40 |
| javispedro | every one of these "leaks" usually has some degree of fakeness -- scapegoat? | 01:40 |
| lardman | the two images are very similar | 01:40 |
| lardman | or rather the n97mini looks very similar in both | 01:41 |
| Jaffa | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nitot/1935890966/ <- N810 prototype with "N00" brand | 01:41 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: I'll also push the zbar MUD xml to you if that's ok, tomorrow though | 01:46 |
| Jaffa | lardman: sure | 01:46 |
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| Macer | man my son was a punk just now | 01:49 |
| Macer | i had to drag him away from the playground kickin gand screaming | 01:49 |
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| Macer | and now he's grounded for being stupid | 01:49 |
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| lardman | why does it always get to this time of night and then I decide to "just test this little program" knowing full well that I'll want to debug it into the early hours? | 01:57 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 01:58 |
| Macer | lol!! | 02:00 |
| Macer | Apple earlier this month responded to Copyright Office queries about the exemption under consideration by warning that unsanctioned iPhone alterations could allow hackers to crash cell towers. | 02:01 |
| Macer | http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/iphone/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218800150 | 02:01 |
| javispedro | ah, yes. we already burnt some cell towers a few hours ago ;) | 02:01 |
| Macer | apple says that illegal apps run on a "jail break" phone | 02:01 |
| Macer | will take out entire cell phone towers! | 02:01 |
| Macer | haahhaha!! | 02:01 |
| Macer | what a load of bullshit | 02:01 |
| javispedro | ~seen timeless_mbp | 02:01 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp is currently on #maemo (4h 51m 20s), last said: 'ECLOSED'. | 02:01 |
| lardman | well it is possible, not sure if the jailbreaking allows enough access to the hw to allow it though | 02:01 |
| Macer | lol | 02:02 |
| Macer | i think they are full of it :) | 02:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Hi, I'm Apple. I love to talk out of my ass. | 02:02 |
| Macer | haha | 02:02 |
| Macer | because they are trying to make it illegal to jailbreak phones | 02:02 |
| Macer | i mean..are cops going to randomly stop iphone users | 02:02 |
| lcuk | would be one hell of a coup if maemo knocked out the towers first | 02:02 |
| Macer | and say "LET ME SEE THAT PHONE! IS IT JAILBROKEN?!" | 02:02 |
| Macer | haha | 02:02 |
| Macer | wtf | 02:03 |
| lardman | lcuk: I guess we won't get low enough level access to do that | 02:03 |
| Macer | like people don't have enough to worry about.. rapists.. murders afoot.. and people romain around with their jailbroken iphones | 02:03 |
| lcuk | lardman, you should follow luovanto on twitter :D | 02:03 |
| Macer | armegeddon incarnate | 02:03 |
| lardman | I'm not a big twitterer, as anyone who's following me will have noticed :) | 02:04 |
| Macer | s/romain/roaming | 02:04 |
| javispedro | " ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap" I knew it wasn't going to be easy | 02:04 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I do, and I'm not sure the Finnish jazz scene is what I expected :-/ | 02:04 |
| lardman | Macer: it is theoretically possible to crash a cell tower though | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, look down a bit :D | 02:04 |
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| lardman | Macer: but I guess Apple are mainly looking for an excuse, as the radio hw is probably pretty much hardwired | 02:05 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: ah, true | 02:05 |
| Macer | lardman: i'll believe it when i see it | 02:05 |
| Macer | lardman: i am sure it is | 02:05 |
| Macer | i think they are full of crap | 02:05 |
| Macer | jailbroken iphones taking out cell towers :) | 02:05 |
| Macer | hahaha | 02:05 |
| javispedro | they are: http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Baseband | 02:06 |
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| javispedro | (full of crap, I mean ;) ) | 02:06 |
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| Macer | although the baseband stores their MAC addresses in it's NVRAM | 02:08 |
| Macer | i stopped reading at the "it's" :) | 02:08 |
| Macer | haha | 02:08 |
| Macer | something about people misusing words in wikis totally makes me lose interest | 02:09 |
| javispedro | yet another xephyr&fremantle problem... "hildon-desktop: ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: 80002b, removing", 0 google hits | 02:11 |
| javispedro | more fun | 02:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | :DDD | 02:12 |
| javispedro | ah, already fixed | 02:14 |
| javispedro | take note: clutter doesn't like the X server being on another computer | 02:14 |
| javispedro | probably it uses Xshm or something like that to "get XImage of pixmaps"? | 02:15 |
| javispedro | cause running without 3d is slooooooooooow | 02:16 |
| mavhc | apparently only root on an iphone destroys the cell phone network, all those other phones must be better | 02:16 |
| javispedro | i'm going to try and test a new method for the "one universal source package multiple maemo versions" idea: using m4 to fill debian/control debian/postinst and all that | 02:17 |
| lardman | right, am going to pull myself away from zbar + python (mainly because the Maemo camera example doesn't seem to work) | 02:17 |
| lardman | night all | 02:17 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Seen what grahamcobb does with GPE (using MUD) to support bora, chinook and diablo (IIRC) | 02:24 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, lol | 02:25 |
| javispedro | Jaffa, nice | 02:27 |
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| Macer | well | 03:32 |
| Macer | looks like the touch book is just more vaporware | 03:32 |
| Macer | although thye have a day or 2 | 03:32 |
| Macer | i guess if they are going to make the "by july" deadline they lied about :) | 03:32 |
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| javispedro | wow is the werid palette swap for sdl applications actually a maemo 5 feature? ;) | 03:43 |
| javispedro | openttd "jupiter" editor -- blue trees!! | 03:43 |
| javispedro | s/editor/edition/ | 03:43 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: openttd "jupiter" edition -- blue trees!! | 03:43 |
| javispedro | the #if MAEMO_VERSION > 5 then "assume-there-is-no-task-navigator-and-use-all-avalaible-screen-width" I put in there works pretty well | 03:46 |
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| genewitch | I did a cursory search on my n800, and found nothing on this: How do i get it to use an iPhone as it's internet connection? | 07:09 |
| genewitch | i got the bluetooth connected and it was set as the "phone" | 07:09 |
| genewitch | But no finagling could convince it to use it as an internet connection | 07:09 |
| Luke-Jr | if I had to bet, iPhone fails it | 07:10 |
| genewitch | i tried connecting it to a samsung phone with bluetooth and internet capability as well | 07:10 |
| genewitch | but i didn't have a chance to ask him what provider he used | 07:10 |
| genewitch | the help in the connectivity control panel wasn't helpful at all, either | 07:11 |
| GAN800 | Tethering is dead easy on Diablo. | 07:14 |
| genewitch | i'm not sure if i have diablo | 07:19 |
| genewitch | Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 | 07:21 |
| chx | genewitch: try go to Control Panel , About. | 07:22 |
| chx | but 43 7 sounds pretty recent... | 07:22 |
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| genewitch | Version: 5.2008.43-7 | 07:24 |
| genewitch | Os maemo linux based os2008 | 07:24 |
| genewitch | The actual connection to the iphone and samsung worked, i just can't figure out what sequence of buttons on both devices i need to press to make the little internet icon light up without giving me an error | 07:25 |
| genewitch | oh... | 07:27 |
| genewitch | "Read PDA.net is now available for iPhone that for around $40 turns it into a wireless router." | 07:27 |
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| genewitch | so out of the box, the iphone is still worthless as anything useful | 07:27 |
| genewitch | I'll have to see if this other windows based phone will let me tether | 07:27 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:15 |
| Myrtti | mrhm | 10:15 |
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| RST38h | moorning. | 10:23 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:48 |
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| Ave | meh, I've seen to destroyed ANOTHER n810 battery | 10:52 |
| Ave | the device sat in car for a week (initially full charge) and when I got it in, totally dead, won't boot etc it just power cycles when you connect charger | 10:53 |
| Ave | how the hell does the battery get deep discharged in that way | 10:53 |
| Ave | 1st one was authentic nokia one and tne second one was some cheap replica | 10:53 |
| Razumihin | Ave: It's hot outside? Lithium batteries can't take heat. | 10:53 |
| Ave | can't be sure, but it hasnt been particularly hot lately | 10:54 |
| Ave | luckily I have another battery in reserve | 10:54 |
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| Ave | I get 2,55 volts from the battery terminals | 10:59 |
| Ave | and that's under no load .. | 10:59 |
| X-Fade | Ave: That is pretty much dead. | 11:00 |
| Ave | and I thought the device and/or battery are guarded against deep discharge | 11:00 |
| RST38h | EHLo X-Fade | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | Ave: You might be able to recover, but generally the battery shouldn't go under 3.0v. | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | Ave: It should be. | 11:00 |
| Ave | with the replica-battery I can believe they'd skimp on protection like that | 11:01 |
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| Ave | is there a way to recover? | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | Ave: Protection is only in software in the device, I think. | 11:01 |
| Ave | lipo/lion is pretty sensitive | 11:01 |
| X-Fade | Ave: If you have a lipo charger ;) | 11:01 |
| Ave | heh, sadly no | 11:02 |
| Ave | I think I'll try warranty exchange.. | 11:02 |
| X-Fade | Ave: Sounds like the most sensible option. | 11:02 |
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| Ave | BP-4L is a bloody expensive battery fwiw, and rare these days as it only fits around 3 nokia models | 11:07 |
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| Ave | E90, E61 and the n8xx? | 11:08 |
| Razumihin | Ave: N97 uses it also | 11:08 |
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| Ave | orly | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | Ave: But anyway, leaving it in your car is a bad idea if it gets hot. | 11:08 |
| Ave | thats good to know, meaning they'll soon be everywhere | 11:08 |
| Razumihin | yeah, at least the one on my desk ;) | 11:08 |
| X-Fade | Ave: hot -> voltage goes up, device thinks it isn't empty. Cool down -> voltage too low. | 11:09 |
| Razumihin | btw anybody got ideas how to hide scratches from touchscreen. | 11:09 |
| Ave | ah yeah | 11:09 |
| Ave | er no for scratches :| | 11:09 |
| Razumihin | I dropped my n97 from carstand to floor and now i've got 1cm x 1cm scratched area on the screen. | 11:09 |
| Razumihin | (so much for the scratch resistance) | 11:10 |
| RST38h | Razumihin: Should have bought 5800 | 11:10 |
| Ave | these new phones (no matter what manufacturer) cant stand any abuse .. | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | Razumihin: Hehe, it is probably not intended for that ;) | 11:10 |
| Razumihin | Yeah. | 11:10 |
| RST38h | 5800 survives abuse pretty well | 11:10 |
| Razumihin | RST38h: Yes many guys at the office have 5800s | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | I used toothpaste to remove scratches before, but I wouldn't use that on touchscreens :) | 11:11 |
| Razumihin | n97 is pretty rugged except the screen. | 11:11 |
| Razumihin | I tried toothpaste, but didn't help as the scratches are too deep. | 11:11 |
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| Ave | theres a new rugged phone coming from nokia, no frills | 11:11 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I do not remember what N97 screen cover is but 5800 has got simple flexible plastic over the screen | 11:11 |
| Ave | finally I'd say | 11:11 |
| Razumihin | Carwax came to my mind but haven't tried yet. | 11:11 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Nothing like n8x0 | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, and you don't want to go through that one ;) | 11:12 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I doubt toothpaste can do that =) | 11:12 |
| Razumihin | If you don't use drill with the paste i think that is impossible ;) | 11:12 |
| Ave | X-Fade: well in theory, I should be able to heat the battery up (to get its voltage >3 volts) and then apply charger | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Depends on how deep the scratches are. (cuts) | 11:12 |
| Ave | .. and have it explode on my face | 11:12 |
| RST38h | Ave: You forgot the piece where you shoot it on video | 11:13 |
| Razumihin | I think i might try wax with that. It might fill the holes. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | Ave: Yeah, applying constant voltage with regulated current is a much safer way. | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | Ave: But try the warranty route first. | 11:13 |
| Ave | sure | 11:14 |
| Ave | unfortunately I dont have a lab power supply at hand either | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | Ave: You can also parallel another battery with has a slightly higher voltage. | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | Ave: But that is also _very_ tricky. | 11:15 |
| Ave | wouldnt that qeual short circuit situation | 11:15 |
| RST38h | not exactly | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | No, parallel. | 11:15 |
| Ave | even so | 11:15 |
| X-Fade | But if the voltage difference is too high, the current will be too high. | 11:16 |
| Ave | I mean, should there be something inbetween to limit current further | 11:16 |
| RST38h | I guess the voltages will even out with respect to batteries' internal resistances | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | Ave: Use thin wires ;) | 11:16 |
| Ave | haha | 11:16 |
| Ave | sounds advice there | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Ah just exchange the damn thing | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | But the internal resistance of a lipo limits the current somewhat. | 11:16 |
| RST38h | Or blow it up, but do it spectacularly =) | 11:16 |
| Ave | I've gotoriginal packaging, now if I can dig up the receipt .. | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | I regularly charge my RC lipos in parallel, but you have to know what you are doing. | 11:17 |
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| Ave | ha, I found the purchase proof/receipt for the battery, by accident | 11:40 |
| Ave | in your face, deep discharged battery | 11:40 |
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| RST38h | 'There is little difference in nutritional value and no evidence of any extra health benefits from eating organic produce, UK researchers found.' | 12:21 |
| * RST38h rotfls slightly | 12:21 | |
| Proteous | WHO KNEW!!! | 12:22 |
| RST38h | And who will know... | 12:22 |
| Macer | haha | 12:23 |
| Macer | RST38h: i never understood it either | 12:23 |
| Macer | the body seperates ... absorbs.. and discards | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Macer: The idea is that all normal food is genetically engineered and artificial genes are bad =) | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Macer: (of course, this is bullshit on multiple levels) | 12:24 |
| Macer | heh | 12:24 |
| Macer | normal food is genetically engineered? | 12:25 |
| Macer | like.. cows are bred? | 12:25 |
| Macer | or are we eating the cloned meat yet? | 12:25 |
| RST38h | Macer: that is one level at which it is bullshit | 12:25 |
| Macer | lol | 12:25 |
| Macer | the body just takes what it needs and discards teh rest | 12:25 |
| RST38h | People bred their food stuffs for centuries | 12:25 |
| Proteous | every kind of produce you find in the store has be selectivly bred to be in the form it is in | 12:25 |
| Macer | i don't see how even genetically "broken" food would change that | 12:25 |
| Macer | Proteous: like.. a tomato is bred to look like a tomato? :) | 12:26 |
| RST38h | Another level is that the stomach does not care what genes it converts to calories | 12:26 |
| Macer | haha | 12:26 |
| Macer | that's darwinism isn't it? | 12:26 |
| Macer | RST38h: it doesn't | 12:26 |
| Macer | well.. although the stomach is just one step in teh digestive process | 12:26 |
| Proteous | I don't think the body uses genes for calories | 12:26 |
| Macer | but the entire system in whole doesn't care ;) | 12:27 |
| Proteous | :P | 12:27 |
| Macer | personally i am not a fan of the "calorie" | 12:27 |
| RST38h | Macer: I still wouldn't eat US chickien though - it has got 6-12 legs for a reason =) | 12:27 |
| Macer | we should be using joules | 12:27 |
| Proteous | even then, the measuing methodes that are used to determin joules/calories is pretty bogus | 12:27 |
| RST38h | would have to use a shitload of joules | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | better go straight to watts | 12:27 |
| Proteous | it doesn't represent the way the food is converted into energy in the body | 12:27 |
| Macer | RST38h: heh.. KJ ;) | 12:27 |
| Macer | Proteous: i suppose not | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | Any objections to disable promotion for packages starting with lib* and are in a user/* category? :) | 12:28 |
| Macer | there isn't a good conversion to input to output for food | 12:28 |
| Proteous | X-Fade, can't you see we are talking about food? | 12:28 |
| Macer | not enough factors really | 12:28 |
| RST38h | Proteous: One funny detail is that what "health" people call "calories" are in fact Kcal :) | 12:28 |
| Proteous | yeah | 12:28 |
| Macer | you can't determine the huge variable of the human laziness as opposed to a human that works | 12:28 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Why don't you ask respective package maintainers? | 12:29 |
| Proteous | "eat food, not too much, mostly plants" | 12:29 |
| Proteous | Michael Pollan | 12:30 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I want to set it as a rule, but am wondering if there are packages starting with lib which aren't a lib ;) | 12:30 |
| Macer | blah | 12:30 |
| Macer | bullshit | 12:30 |
| Macer | eat what you want when you want when you are hungry | 12:30 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Maintainers should know | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: And, btw, the package name does not necessarily mean it has got a lib inside | 12:30 |
| Proteous | let healthcare sort out the rest right? | 12:30 |
| RST38h | *or* not | 12:31 |
| Macer | i have seen people eat like slobs and not be fat because their body adapts to it and they aren't fat sloths that sit there on a computer or couch | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Well some maintainers don't know, that is the reason they set it in user/*. | 12:31 |
| RST38h | Macer: it is individual | 12:31 |
| Macer | if you are fat it is either because you yourself have a genetic problem | 12:31 |
| Macer | OR | 12:31 |
| Macer | because you are a lazy bastard that eats more than you work out | 12:31 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You are right that it doesn't catch everything, but at least it should catch simple mistakes. | 12:31 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Another idea: write a little script that lists all package contents and hunts for libs :) | 12:31 |
| Macer | so there is more input than output :) | 12:31 |
| Macer | fat people just don't know how to maintain the healthy balance | 12:31 |
| Proteous | if it was only as simple as that | 12:32 |
| Proteous | sadly the body is a complex thing | 12:32 |
| Macer | then they get fat and become even worse | 12:32 |
| Proteous | it regulates it's calorie buring based on many variables | 12:32 |
| Macer | because they are too tired to move all teh disgusting slothlike weight around | 12:32 |
| Macer | they they decided to build up by living like friggin' polar bears | 12:32 |
| Proteous | don't disrepect the polar bears | 12:32 |
| Proteous | :P | 12:32 |
| Macer | where they eat and eat and eat and sit somewhere doing nothing | 12:32 |
| Macer | actually | 12:33 |
| Macer | at least polar bears fish | 12:33 |
| Macer | people don't need to fish | 12:33 |
| Macer | they go to the store :) | 12:33 |
| Macer | ok.. i gotta go | 12:33 |
| Macer | later | 12:33 |
| Proteous | hah, cya | 12:33 |
| Proteous | rant and run as they say | 12:33 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Shipping a lib as part of a user/* package is fine, as long as there's user accessible content. | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I know I originally proposed it, but I say let's do that until it causes a problem for a user-facing package like "libertine" (made up) | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it is just to prevent libs showing up in AM. | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: The heuristic could be smarter: it requires more manual intervention by the QAers; or it checks for a /usr/bin or .desktop entry. If there's a .desktop entry in a lib... it can go into user/* | 12:36 |
| rkirti | maybe its a naive question, but what package provides the camel libs ? | 12:36 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: yeah, with additional parsing it should be possible. But I was looking for the quick fix :) | 12:37 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Start with the quick fix and we can develop over time ;-) | 12:37 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I find it difficult to draw the line then | 12:38 |
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| talig | Good day everyone :) | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I'm all for let's see when we get there. | 12:38 |
| RST38h | yea | 12:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: We've seen lots of libs which a dumb package maintainer puts in user/* along with the rest of their packages. extras-testing is supposed to have as much automated QA (perhaps warnings or tools) to make human QA as easy as possible. | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I think this stuff is so fuzzy that it should be decided by humans when promoting package to Extras | 12:41 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I can even think of user/* packages that only contain libraries | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Problem is that the person who is doing the promotion, did it wrong in the first place. | 12:41 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: But if we can make the tool say "warning: this package looks like a lib and is in user/* - extra care needed", that streamlines the human QA | 12:41 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Well, then the person has to get back and fix it :) | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I can't. Then another package should pull it in as dep? | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, automated warnings are ok, as false positives are safe to have there | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Well maybe in the plugin case. | 12:42 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No, plugin or a Java framework | 12:42 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Let us say you want MIDP | 12:42 |
| X-Fade | Still, an admin can always override. | 12:43 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Then you're either installing a deb-packaged MIDP app which pulls in the framework; or a GUI app which allows you to run them (which pulls in the framework) | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | So then the dev can ping one to get it in. | 12:43 |
| X-Fade | As said: let's see when we get there. | 12:43 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Not entirely true | 12:48 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: You may install Java runtime (with all the gui launcher crap, although I would prefer a mime type definition) | 12:48 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: And then you would install a bunch of optional frameworks | 12:49 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: These really do not have obligation to come with any executables | 12:49 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Same goes for optional data like fonts | 12:49 |
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| RST38h | So, as I said, the distinction is kinda fuzzy and I would suggest to decide on per-package basis rather than raise another set of iron rules | 12:50 |
| Jaffa | Point taken. No-one's suggesting iron rules; just some heuristic guides to stop the common cases. | 12:52 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libgnokii4/0.6.28cvs-maemo2 | 12:57 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: What am I looking at (oh, the section's right now?) | 14:04 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I look at http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/horizon/0.0.5/ - and it shows the python2.5-runtime as red (because that's not right on Fremantle). Will I need to produce different package sources, or is the UI happy that one of the | is satisfied? | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: The OR is satisfied indeed. | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: That is one of the parts of the logic that took some time to develop, but now it works ;) | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | Goodo. Re-implemented your own dpkg algorithm (like HAM) or using dpkg's properly | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | ? | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | Walking the tree in the database. | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | Fair enough | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | So, that's in extras-devel. I click "Promote" and it goes into the QA queue and extras-testing? | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, if I run the promotion. | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | Which I will do later today hopefully. | 14:09 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, ping | 14:09 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: I'll let you do more testing first. Let me know when you need some help, and I'll then help you write some docs (if you want) | 14:11 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Great that would be very helpful actually ;) | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | X-Fade, very cool feature :) | 14:15 |
| mikkov_ | Jaffa: you shouldn't use python-runtime as depency but the real depencies | 14:15 |
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| X-Fade | ah yeah, python-runtim is the meta package. Which pulls in quite a lot. | 14:16 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I promoted one package, should I see it QA-queue or somewhere? | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: Is there a list of what Python package provides what (hildon, osso, bluetooh etc.) or do I have to figure it out? | 14:24 |
| * Jaffa thought he'd seen documentation saying python-runtime was the preferred approach | 14:24 | |
| mikkov_ | see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4246. I think you just have to figure it out, but it's quite simple | 14:25 |
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| Jaffa | mikkov_: Should be able to use dpkg-depcheck (or whatever it is) and run the app ;-) | 14:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | python2.5-runtime just brings in everything. osso and hildon are python2.5-osso and python2.5-hildon, respectively. I remember that much | 14:26 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: Presumably there are corresponding packages between diablo & fremantle with just the "2.5" present or not? | 14:26 |
| mikkov_ | Jaffa: package names are the same except the 2.5 thing | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | mikkov_: Cool, thanks | 14:28 |
| * Jaffa will try and sort that this evening then | 14:28 | |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, where's the difference between 4856 and 4520? | 15:44 |
| lardman | "morning" | 15:44 |
| andre__ | heja | 15:44 |
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| talig | Guys, did anyone ever try using ctypes in scratchbox? Looks like it's not installed, and since it's included in python there are no installation instructions online [None that I could find, anyways...] | 15:45 |
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| konttori_ | VDVsx: pong | 15:48 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: let me just see | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: my bad, duplicate, but more reasoning in 4856 | 15:49 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, can you test a game on the maemo5 device for me ? it's a easy one, it runs in the SDK but has some problems, if it runs ok on the device I'll make a package | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | just close 4856 | 15:49 |
| lardman | VDVsx: ping | 15:49 |
| andre__ | ok :) | 15:49 |
| konttori_ | VDVsx: I can try. | 15:49 |
| VDVsx | lardman, pong | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: i went on a bit of a bug spree yesterday :) | 15:49 |
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| konttori_ | lemme see. I'll need to reflash the device. | 15:50 |
| konttori_ | it's in an infinite reboot loop | 15:50 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, yeah. appreciated! | 15:50 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, http://jordan.trudgett.com/ only need pygame | 15:50 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, I've colour issues and fullscreen issues on SB, the rest works | 15:50 |
| Stskeeps | konttori_: it's good to see reboot loops feature is still there ;) | 15:51 |
| konttori_ | if it's pygame, then it will work. | 15:51 |
| lardman | VDVsx: is the shop-mate stuff reasonably uptodate atm? | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: i have 3-4 sb-has-it-isms in queue but i'm waiting for answers to the current one :) | 15:51 |
| lardman | VDVsx: I see some pushes from yesterday so I'm assuming so | 15:51 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, also I've problems with sound | 15:51 |
| VDVsx | lardman, yes | 15:52 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, Nokians put them to low priority currently (guess they're pushed getting Fremantle in a usable state) | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: it's fine, this is good for us in the longer run | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | less patches to maintain | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | in the shorter run people will come to mer instead of maemo for source packages ;) | 15:53 |
| VDVsx | lardman, but don't expect too much, the student faced several 'beginner problems', but you know | 15:53 |
| andre__ | hehe | 15:54 |
| lardman | VDVsx: how much longer does the project last for? | 15:54 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, ~ 20 August | 15:55 |
| VDVsx | lardman, he's working in the UI right now | 15:55 |
| lardman | ok, I'll have a look see | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: ping? | 16:10 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: nice opening to the maemo.org side of bugs that you can actually test the bugs on a fremantle device :P | 16:13 |
| * Stskeeps applauds that choice by nokia :) | 16:13 | |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: pong | 16:14 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps, it was very helpful to clean up and retest, and if it still happens to forward | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Just to check. You promoted both armel and i386 versions of crimson separately, right? | 16:14 |
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| andre__ | cleaned about 80 bugs by that, plus >100 enhancement reqeusts | 16:14 |
| lardman | bergie: ping | 16:14 |
| andre__ | i plan to blog about bug number changes since that happened, and in general in the last year... | 16:15 |
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| mikkov_ | X-Fade: yes, since it taking minutes (literally) I promoted the other one too | 16:15 |
| andre__ | still many diablo bugs are with specific hardware (e.g. routers), and of course i can't test that in fremantle :-( | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, that was because the db was loaded last night. Should be better now. | 16:15 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: should I promote just the other one? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: the question is also the seperation of Maemo HW vs Maemo SW in software.. some bugs may simply not be there because Maemo HW was changed, and Maemo SW evolved | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: No, I will start to process the queue manually in half an hour orso. | 16:16 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But I wanted to be sure that what I see in the queue matches with what I expected. | 16:16 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: I mean generally, if I happened to promote someting else | 16:16 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: Normally you would only need to promote the armel one, the other archs should follow automatically. | 16:17 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: what about the depencies? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Every non user/* dependency will be promoted with it. | 16:18 |
| bergie | lardman: pong | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: But it will refuse to promote if there are user/* dependencies. | 16:18 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: cool, thanks | 16:18 |
| lardman | bergie: just wondering about bug #3692 | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: crimson pulled in for promotion: libsdl-net1.2, libsdl-ttf2.0-0 and zlib1g | 16:19 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: zlibg should be in nokia repositories, I believe | 16:20 |
| bergie | lardman: we need to make tool that will periodically check and try to reassociate authorships of discussion messages | 16:20 |
| bergie | now that is only done on import time | 16:20 |
| bergie | so if it didn't recognize the sender, then nobody gets karma | 16:20 |
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| lardman | bergie: any thoughts as to why that might happen - I've not changed my account at all | 16:20 |
| Jaffa | bergie: There's another election shortly, and a device programme (hopefully); we need to iron out as many of the outstanding karma issues as possible | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, yeah that was before I fixed the bug this morning. I think. Let me check :D | 16:21 |
| bergie | Jaffa: agreed | 16:21 |
| lardman | bergie: I guess it could be any random thing really couldn't it with the original import process | 16:21 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: there is newer zlib1g in sdk repo than in extras-devel | 16:21 |
| mikkov_ | which is not good | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, the bug was that it would prefer any local version over newer versions in 'neighbour' repositories. | 16:22 |
| bergie | lardman, Jaffa: the karma calculation itself is fairly straightforward: http://friendpaste.com/1vtOL5CfsYI2isiHP28F2M | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: Like SDK in this case ;) | 16:22 |
| bergie | ...so the issue must be in the dataset (imported mailing list messages) instead | 16:22 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: refusing to promote when there is user/* depencies is going to cause problems with plugins | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: and they are not promoted already. | 16:23 |
| lardman | bergie: yeah, well in my case I have ~68 discussion karma, and I've sent a couple of emails recently that were added, I have sent >200 emails overall though, so some must have got lost before the count | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: If they are already in the target repo, it will allow promotion. | 16:23 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: ah, that should work | 16:24 |
| bergie | lardman: database says you have written 68 messages | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/crimson/0.5.3-1maemo2/ | 16:24 |
| lardman | bergie: my outbox says more ;) | 16:24 |
| bergie | what email address do you use when sending? | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: You can see now that zlib is indeed matched from sdk if you hover over the link. | 16:25 |
| lardman | bergie: always S.G.Pickering@bath.ac.uk | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | mikkov_: And it wasn't before this morning. | 16:25 |
| bergie | lardman: only 68 messages imported from that email address | 16:25 |
| bergie | (looking at the DB) | 16:25 |
| lardman | yeah, that's the problem | 16:25 |
| lardman | can you see the earliest date? | 16:25 |
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| bergie | first is from 2008-08-27 15:01:35 and last from 2009-06-03 19:25:09 | 16:26 |
| mikkov_ | X-Fade: zlib1g should be removed from extras-devel | 16:26 |
| lardman | bergie: let me check my outbox | 16:27 |
| lardman | s/outbox/saved messages | 16:27 |
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| X-Fade | mikkov_: I agree, although I still have to write the script to remove packages from the repo and update the database ;) | 16:27 |
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| wazd | anyone knows Khertan's mail? | 16:27 |
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| lardman | benoit hervier? | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | wazd: username@username.net ;) | 16:29 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: Where you replace username with his username ;) | 16:29 |
| wazd | X-Fade: thanks :) | 16:29 |
| lardman | oh yeah, my email is now going to get even more spam, oh well | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Heh, yeah that is why I didn't want to paste his email in the channel. | 16:30 |
| lardman | I get loads anyway | 16:30 |
| lardman | a little more will make little difference, and you never know I am getting older, those little blue pills may be useful one day :D | 16:30 |
| X-Fade | Who knows ;) | 16:31 |
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| lardman | bergie: my first email, so far, was to maemo-users on 21/11/2005 @17.44 | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | And what's with these berries lately? I get those a lot. | 16:32 |
| bergie | lardman: actually the first date from your emails is 2008-08-08 | 16:33 |
| lardman | bergie: and I don't even seem to have the one sent on 27/8/2008, so there are probably a few more than the 288 I have counted here | 16:33 |
| bergie | but first overall message in the DB is from 2005-05-02 | 16:34 |
| lardman | though actually a few of these might be to GSoC and things, dunno | 16:34 |
| bergie | (I checked the import timestamp instead of message timestamp initially) | 16:34 |
| lardman | bergie: so mine should be there really | 16:34 |
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| X-Fade | bergie: What happens if you select the messages based on the email instead of the matched author guid? | 16:35 |
| bergie | nothing from bath.ac.uk before 2008-08-08 | 16:35 |
| lardman | X-Fade: all the messages come from the same email address though | 16:35 |
| bergie | X-Fade: same numbers, I've been checking both | 16:35 |
| lardman | hmm, strange | 16:35 |
| bergie | the issue seems that we don't have all messages imported | 16:35 |
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| X-Fade | Looks like they need to be wiped and re-imported from mbox :( | 16:36 |
| bergie | yep, most likely | 16:37 |
| bergie | I'd propose a CLI-based importer this time :-) | 16:37 |
| lardman | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-March/003373.html is my first post to -dev | 16:37 |
| lardman | so it does exist somewhere ;) | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, we have all the mbox files backed up ;) | 16:38 |
| lardman | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2005-November/000211.html and to -users there | 16:38 |
| bergie | X-Fade: can you check how many messages there are in the mbox files? | 16:38 |
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| bergie | so we have some idea of what % we're missing | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | lardman: So while they are not in the database, they are in the mbox. | 16:38 |
| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 16:38 |
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| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7d 10h 30m 26s ago, saying: ' '. | 16:38 |
| lardman | X-Fade: yep | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | bergie: Hmm let me check. | 16:38 |
| xnt14 | hmm :P | 16:38 |
| lardman | cheers chaps | 16:38 |
| lardman | :) | 16:38 |
| bergie | anyway, sounds like we just need to reimport them all ;-) | 16:39 |
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| lardman | shall I add the above to the info bug? | 16:40 |
| lardman | above info to the bug that should read | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | bergie: developers: 22012 | 16:41 |
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| bergie | X-Fade: maemo-developers forum in DB: 12618 | 16:44 |
| bergie | maemo-users in DB: 10468 | 16:45 |
| bergie | maemo-community in DB: 1869 | 16:45 |
| X-Fade | bergie: I see 173 mails for simon in -developers. | 16:46 |
| lardman | I guess some of those emails will be from non-members so it's not quite as bad as it seems | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | When grepping for From: and bath.ac.uk ;) | 16:47 |
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| bergie | OK, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3692#c28 | 16:48 |
| lardman | thanks | 16:49 |
| lardman | changing topic, does anyone have /etc/mce/mce.ini online somewhere? | 16:50 |
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| lardman | actually don't worry, have found some other code to change the LEDs directly | 16:52 |
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| RST38h | "Lance Davis, the main project administrator for CentOS, a popular free "rebuild" of Red Hat's Enterprise Linux, appears to have gone AWOL." | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | he probably converted to debian or something | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: Probably tried upgrading Python on his system | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: With CentOS (did not check on Redhat) it is usually catastrophic | 16:59 |
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| X-Fade | jeremiah_afk: ping? | 17:03 |
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| lardman | random python question, can I split my code into multiple files, then use "import" + filename (-.py) to import it into my main file? | 17:14 |
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| lardman | yes I can apparently, for anyone awake ;) | 17:17 |
| RST38h | yes you can | 17:18 |
| RST38h | but would you? <cackle> | 17:18 |
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| lardman | hmm | 17:19 |
| lcuk | oh, hi lardman \o | 17:20 |
| lcuk | don't mind me | 17:20 |
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| lcuk | a vacuum guide? | 17:25 |
| talig | lardman: Sorry - indeed, as you already figured out - you can :) | 17:26 |
| talig | lardman: However as RST38h implied - this isn't necessarily the best practice. | 17:26 |
| lcuk | why isnt it best practice? | 17:28 |
| lcuk | its always a good thing to break down your code instead of having it in one monolithiclump | 17:28 |
| lcuk | itslikespacesinsentences,theyareoptionalbutgreatlyimprovereadability | 17:28 |
| talig | lcuk: Importing a file costs in terms of performance. Some break-downs are good, better for maintenance, etc. But you shouldn't overdo it. | 17:29 |
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| nomis | talig: well, python is not really about high performance anyway IMHO. | 17:30 |
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| nomis | as long as you have a sane structure inside your modules I don't really see a reason to avoid splitting up. | 17:30 |
| lcuk | talig, fix the performance then | 17:31 |
| talig | nomis: saying "python is not about high performance" is like saying "N810 is not about usability". Who cares what it's about? You want to make the most of what you're given. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | does that also mean you should cut back on comments and stuff? | 17:32 |
| * lcuk can do that part :D | 17:32 | |
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| talig | lcuk: If you want to re-read your code tomorrow and spend a day re-figuring it out - sure. | 17:33 |
| jpt9 | Hey. I'm trying to install Pidgin on my Nokia 770; it's running OS 2007HE. | 17:33 |
| lcuk | i re-read my code all the time and routinely pickup 1-3-5-10 year old modules and know whats happening | 17:33 |
| lardman | I'll probably do all my imports at the top anyway, so the slowness will be with startup then I imagine | 17:33 |
| lcuk | but i understand | 17:33 |
| jpt9 | For some reason, http://idefix.go-nix.ca/ seems to be down, which is where (I think) the actual files it need to install are hosted. | 17:33 |
| talig | lcuk, nomis: The point is tradeoffs. Everything has a price - take that into consideration. If you're willing to pay it - great. | 17:34 |
| jpt9 | I can install 2.4.3 for some reason, but it segfaults... | 17:34 |
| nomis | talig: well, I prefer sacrificing speed over code clarity. | 17:34 |
| jpt9 | Any ideas? | 17:34 |
| talig | lardman: yes, slowness will be in startup | 17:34 |
| lcuk | talig, i most certain am not, im a performance junkie, but there is a line and just bulking everything into one file is a bit ott | 17:34 |
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| lardman | talig: I can live with that while I develop the code anyway | 17:34 |
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| lardman | thanks chaps | 17:35 |
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| talig | lcuk: No one said bulking in one file IS good practice. I'm just stressing that you need to maintain balance. | 17:36 |
| talig | lardman: Makes sense to me :) NPO | 17:36 |
| talig | s/NPO/NP | 17:36 |
| talig | Speaking of python, anyone ever tried working with ctypes on the N8x0? [specifically, scratchbox?] | 17:37 |
| lardman | also speaking of python, can I exclude the self. everywhere if there are no variable clashes? | 17:38 |
| lardman | and no to the ctypes thing, I think | 17:38 |
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| lardman | anyone use pysqlite here? | 17:46 |
| lardman | should I wrap my calls with try, except to catch errors? | 17:46 |
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| talig | lardman: That depends (on the self. thing) | 17:51 |
| talig | lardman: if you're referring to the java-like this.var - then inside a defined class/module - you can - same as java. There's more subtelty regarding things like def self.method (which is the equivalent of a static method if I recall correctly, but I may be confusing with RU | 17:52 |
| talig | s/RU/Ruby/ | 17:52 |
| infobot | talig meant: lardman: if you're referring to the java-like this.var - then inside a defined class/module - you can - same as java. There's more subtelty regarding things like def self.method (which is the equivalent of a static method if I recall correctly, but I may ... | 17:52 |
| lardman | yeah I was just thinking about variables within class methods | 17:53 |
| talig | lardman: then yes :) | 17:53 |
| lardman | another quick question, " or ' are they the same? | 17:53 |
| * lardman wishes he'd brought his Python book to work | 17:53 | |
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| X-Fade | lol, a judge in NL has just ruled that The Pirate Bay may not be available within 10 days for people in NL. | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | *anymore | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: similar to danish one, except all of the telecom business has gone together and taking the case to supreme court :P | 18:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Not like it'll be worth going to TPB anymore, anyway :) | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Indeed. | 18:06 |
| * Stskeeps loathes tpb personally but that's another issue | 18:06 | |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: and now the want to go legit, it might create a new case. | 18:07 |
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| X-Fade | One of blocking a legit company ;) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | i doubt that trade will happen tbh | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | especially after the magic "open tracker" stuff | 18:07 |
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| X-Fade | It will be interesting to see where they want to enforce the block though. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | probably DNS level | 18:09 |
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| X-Fade | heh, that would be lame ;) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk it'll be a truely interesting case in the danish supreme court - censorship is explictly forbidden in the danish constitution :P | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but effective | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: opendns? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | for those who know how to use it :) | 18:10 |
| pablo | where I find a repository Qtkinetic for fremantle? | 18:11 |
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| yigal | i'm installing easy deb. now is it possible to copy the image file to another image larger in size, and use the larger image? | 18:36 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Hi! | 18:59 |
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| lbt | hi | 19:03 |
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| andre__ | uargh. braindead nokia specs | 19:22 |
| andre__ | signature above the quote in email composer. crap. | 19:22 |
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| GAN800 | andre__, Modest is still going to be a piece of shit, isn't it? | 19:27 |
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| konttori_ | Stskeeps: what is nick of the guy who wanted me to test http://jordan.trudgett.com/ | 19:28 |
| andre__ | GAN800, it's definitely better than in Diablo | 19:28 |
| andre__ | but some stuff is... urgh | 19:28 |
| RST38h | why would anyone put signature on top? | 19:28 |
| GAN800 | Composing and viewing is still going to be broken as all get out. | 19:28 |
| andre__ | "In the case of a reply or forward, the signature shall appear immediately above the "Reply" or "Forward" separator" | 19:28 |
| andre__ | "This will allow the user to edit or delete the signature prior to transmission if required." | 19:29 |
| konttori_ | modest is really quite nice now. | 19:29 |
| andre__ | it's a feature, it's a feature! ;-) | 19:29 |
| konttori_ | in actual use | 19:29 |
| GAN800 | It's like these people have never used a real email client in their lives. | 19:29 |
| andre__ | damn. somebody hand over an argumentation against this please | 19:29 |
| GAN800 | At least GMail will be usable. | 19:29 |
| RST38h | konttori: Still hangs checking email via intermittent connections? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | andre: What are Reply/Forward separators? | 19:30 |
| GAN800 | konttori_, does it manage not to double-wrap plaintext emails? | 19:30 |
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| andre__ | RST38h, Stuff like "---Forwarded message---" | 19:30 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:30 |
| konttori_ | GAN800: i'll test | 19:30 |
| GAN800 | andre__, "use any real email client on the market." | 19:30 |
| RST38h | andre: I know why it is on top of that | 19:30 |
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| andre__ | GAN800, these are non-arguments, and you know that :) | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | andre__: Point to the various arguments on top-posting. | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | andre__: There's an argument for forwarding, fine. But replies shouldn't be being separated like that - especially if there's a quote character. | 19:31 |
| andre__ | oh no, that means i have to google myself :-P | 19:31 |
| * Jaffa is about to get on a train ;-p | 19:31 | |
| Jaffa | The problem is that the modest spec authors and developers seem fixated on an HTML email world. | 19:32 |
| andre__ | a cunning excuse, young man! | 19:32 |
| Jaffa | i.e. hell. | 19:32 |
| RST38h | andre: I think they suppose you to type in your reply on top, above your signature | 19:32 |
| andre__ | yeah :-( | 19:32 |
| RST38h | andre: While the original message goes under the signature | 19:32 |
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| VDVsx | konttori_, any luck ? | 19:32 |
| GAN800 | Basically, what Nokia is slowly pounding into my skull is that I should _never_ be optimistic about any product they lay their hands on and _never_ bother wasting my time trying to help improve them. | 19:32 |
| andre__ | too many broken promises, eh? yeah :-/ | 19:33 |
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| ShadowJK | What IS a reply or forward separator? | 19:35 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, stuff like "---Forwarded message---" or "---Replied message---" | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | huh. | 19:35 |
| andre__ | A: No. | 19:36 |
| andre__ | Q: Shall I top-post? | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah.. | 19:36 |
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| ShadowJK | and surely your forwards are base64 attachments anyway :-( | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | so you don't lose headers | 19:36 |
| * ShadowJK is in the middle of replicating the email system from his home server onto his dedi server, adding imap.. | 19:37 | |
| ShadowJK | I guess i should give up on using modest to read that then eh? | 19:37 |
| * ShadowJK hasn't used email on tablet before | 19:37 | |
| RST38h | GAN800: Hello, Captain Obvious. | 19:37 |
| andre__ | Wikipedia says "Top-posting seems to be the most common style in business e-mail correspondence." | 19:37 |
| RST38h | andre: Here, Wiki solved it for you :) | 19:38 |
| thux | is there lot of strings which effect email programs like begin space space to old oe? | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Anyways, Modest is utterly useless until its background mailcheck process is fixed | 19:38 |
| thux | old oe made attachment for any email where was begin space space in beginning | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | Fedex has funny email practices. SMSd me, called me. I called back, she gave me an email address to email. She also snailmailed a letter with the email address. I reply via email, and a few weeks later she replies, via snailmail. | 19:40 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: They rotate communication methods in a round robin fashion. | 19:44 |
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| andre__ | anybody knows about signature top-post/top-bottom defaults in other mailers? like thunderbird or outlook? | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | The more interesting question is... which mailers automatically trim the other person's signature? :) | 19:50 |
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| andre__ | oh yeah, that's also very interesting! | 19:51 |
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| andre__ | eeks. starting thunderbird for the first time since years. still account preferences are messy as in netscape 4 :-( | 19:51 |
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| RST38h | Here, salivate: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/07/090730-moto_droid-01.jpg | 19:52 |
| javispedro | I salivate over the 4 row keyboard but not the general design of it | 19:53 |
| javispedro | hidden dpad, for example :( | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | I just enabled signature in kmail. I clicked reply on a message. Kmail inserted "On Tuesday" ... "You wrote:" etc on the first line, then quoted the message I was replying to, but trimmed the signature away. It placed the cursor below the message, and the signature at the end. | 19:54 |
| RST38h | javispdro: It is still better than n810 dpad | 19:54 |
| RST38h | javispedro: and N97 dpad too | 19:54 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, thanks a lot! Need data to convince managers.... | 19:55 |
| ShadowJK | The first signature being the signature of the person I was replying, and the second signature being my own | 19:55 |
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| konttori_ | VDVsx: I just wanted to let you know that I'm now starting to test | 19:57 |
| RST38h | andre: I think you will have better luck making suggestions that make Modest as absurd as possible | 19:57 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, cool thanks :) | 19:58 |
| RST38h | andre: For example, it may be worth suggestion bottom placement of From:/To:/CC: widgets | 19:58 |
| RST38h | s/suggestion/suggesting | 19:58 |
| andre__ | RST38h, seen that one, yeah | 19:58 |
| andre__ | RST38h, yeah, but as I said, the kitchensink feature is still leaking, hence the N900 cannot be sold yet ;-)) | 19:58 |
| RST38h | andre: mmm? | 19:58 |
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| andre__ | Re absurd suggestions ;-) | 19:59 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:59 |
| RST38h | andre: Seriously though, somebody has to do real testing on the mailcheck part (Camel) | 19:59 |
| javispedro | btw, can any of those with the "nokia mobile kitchensink device" test the openttd package i just uploaded to fremantle? ;) | 19:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: btw, have you promoted the newest openttd into diablo extras? =) | 20:00 |
| javispedro | RST38h, not yet :) the newest opengfx instead | 20:00 |
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| RST38h | andre: Not just address bugzilla trackers but seriously stress test it | 20:00 |
| RST38h | andre: As in placing the device just outside wifi range, keeping it there for a week or so | 20:00 |
| javispedro | i'd like to know if the sdl 8-bit palette "swap" i'm experiencing it's just a xephyr thing or happens on real device | 20:00 |
| andre__ | javispedro, hmm, cannot see that package in Application manager, but i guess that's because it's a library and not an app | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | hm... does modest use / or mmc for storage? what about claws? | 20:01 |
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| javispedro | andre__, try openttd (it's user/games) | 20:01 |
| javispedro | (it'll pull opengfx) | 20:02 |
| javispedro | so no commercial files needed :D | 20:02 |
| andre__ | cannot see it yet | 20:02 |
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| javispedro | ah, it build an hour ago | 20:02 |
| andre__ | javispedro, ping me tomorrow again :) | 20:03 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/view/openttd/ btw nice job with that | 20:03 |
| andre__ | kudos to X-Fade and jeremiah for that iirc | 20:03 |
| andre__ | yeah, sexy | 20:03 |
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| ShadowJK | OK, I give up. I'm trying to make an account in modest. It says "Unable to discover supported secure authentication methods". But, uh, with tcpdump I see it's not even trying to contact server? wtf? | 20:27 |
| javispedro | VDVsx, sorry, I just request by accident to be the maintainer for Bluemaemo. Was just testing around the packages interface and didn't expect it would "store my request" without confirmation | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: claws ftw | 20:28 |
| javispedro | I guess I should file a bug since an HTTP GET request "SHOULD NOT" do any action | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Claws is really decent | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Including the UI even | 20:28 |
| andre__ | ShadowJK, thanks again for the kmail info. was very appreciated as i only have evo and thunderbird here | 20:28 |
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| VDVsx | javispedro, np, but I didn't received any notification | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | ok, so no secure authentication. Now how the hell do I make it connect | 20:30 |
| * ShadowJK pushes the refresh icon and it does... nothing | 20:30 | |
| javispedro | ah, the bug was already filled https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4779 ;) | 20:31 |
| RST38h | you don'y | 20:32 |
| RST38h | t | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. restarted it... now it connects to the imap server, queries its capabilities, and then disconnects | 20:32 |
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| ShadowJK | with no telling me the user if there was something unsatistfactory about the server's capabilities... | 20:32 |
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| ShadowJK | claws is neat :) | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | yes it is | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | i'm thinking of adopting on my desktop too | 21:03 |
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| Jaffa | andre__: Google Mail puts signatures after replies' quoted text | 21:40 |
| konttori_ | VDVsx: so, have you developed that game? | 21:40 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I just created a git repo for my birdlist project :) | 21:43 |
| Luke-Jr | Jaffa: uh, of course it does? where else would you put a sig? :þ | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/460889/gpicview/screenshot09.png | 21:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: nice | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | (saju seems to be quite good at this stuff | 21:47 |
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| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: what is it? | 21:49 |
| Luke-Jr | an image viewer showing a blank ? | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | gpicview hildonised | 21:50 |
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| Jaffa | Luke-Jr: We were discussing earlier what Modest's spec says it should do. It does not do what we'd actually want | 21:52 |
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| konttori_ | nice. python clutter packages are now available for arm: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pyclutter/ | 21:53 |
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| Luke-Jr | Jaffa: there's not really many possibilities...? sigs are always at the bottom :þ | 21:54 |
| Jaffa | Luke-Jr: Is that a smiley at the end, cos it looks like a character not supported by my terminal | 21:55 |
| Luke-Jr | a :P | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | luke uses utf-8 | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:55 |
| Jaffa | How can :P be a utf-8 character? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | shows correctly on my terminal :P | 21:56 |
| Jaffa | Luke-Jr: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-07-30.log.html#t2009-07-30T19:22:25 | 21:56 |
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| Luke-Jr | Jaffa: I've been here for weeks, I have my own logs -.- | 21:58 |
| Luke-Jr | oh | 21:59 |
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| VDVsx | konttori_, nop | 21:59 |
| Luke-Jr | wtf would you want a sig at the top of an email? | 22:00 |
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| konttori_ | ardenthyst starting. opens screen. | 22:01 |
| konttori_ | ... and crashed. | 22:01 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Can I have the rights to that movie? | 22:01 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, sound problem ? try with -ns | 22:01 |
| konttori_ | it was able to show something on the screen for a sec. | 22:02 |
| konttori_ | ok. testing | 22:02 |
| konttori_ | it shows now the logo | 22:02 |
| konttori_ | which seems to linger on the screen. | 22:02 |
| konttori_ | what should I do? wait? | 22:02 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, yes wait a bit | 22:03 |
| VDVsx | it's a loading screen | 22:03 |
| konttori_ | hmmm.. ok. | 22:03 |
| konttori_ | how long is it supposed to last? | 22:04 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, just a few seconds, at least in the sdk | 22:04 |
| konttori_ | hmm... seems to take much longer on the device. | 22:04 |
| konttori_ | I'll retry opening it. | 22:04 |
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| VDVsx | konttori_, can you check the console output ? | 22:05 |
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| konttori_ | it's just saying that not starting sound module | 22:05 |
| konttori_ | it's not taking any cpu. | 22:06 |
| konttori_ | ... around 6% | 22:07 |
| VDVsx | :( | 22:07 |
| VDVsx | it also works in my n810, but is tooooooooo slow :P | 22:08 |
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| konttori_ | any way for it to be more verbose on command line? | 22:09 |
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| VDVsx | konttori_, don't tink so, you can try with -q | 22:10 |
| VDVsx | slow mode :) | 22:10 |
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| Macer | hm | 22:15 |
| Macer | ok ebay auctions are scammed | 22:15 |
| Macer | people get their buddies to bid to drive the price up | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | you're at 700 usd for a tablet atm? | 22:16 |
| Macer | now i am hoping i lose already | 22:16 |
| Macer | lol | 22:16 |
| Macer | no | 22:16 |
| Macer | hahaha | 22:16 |
| Macer | 220 | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | if so, i'd like to sell you one for 699 | 22:16 |
| Macer | for a new one | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:16 |
| konttori_ | trying now with -q option. it's consuming now 30% cpu. so, more than previously ;) | 22:17 |
| Macer | an n800? ;) | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | nah, n810 :P | 22:17 |
| Macer | haha | 22:17 |
| Macer | no thanks | 22:17 |
| Macer | there is a wimax ed on amazon for 1500 | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | you can also buy a slightly broken n800 for 230 .. ;P | 22:17 |
| Macer | lol | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | 1500? wtf | 22:17 |
| Macer | i know | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | even though it's a rarity.. | 22:17 |
| Macer | guess demand is pretty high | 22:17 |
| Macer | in baltimore | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | iphone 3gs is like 1500 or something with subscription for 6 months included | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk | 22:18 |
| Macer | wtf? | 22:18 |
| Macer | sll that for a compass? | 22:18 |
| Macer | sll/all | 22:18 |
| Macer | i just want the n810 for carman | 22:18 |
| Macer | :) | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk they have to state the total cost of phone including the obligatory subscription | 22:18 |
| Macer | i already ordered my by scan tool | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | and it's like 1000-1500 or something | 22:19 |
| Macer | i see | 22:19 |
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| Stskeeps | which means i'm never going to complain about nokia tablet pricing again | 22:19 |
| Macer | att in dk? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | nah, we don't have att | 22:19 |
| Macer | or some other co? | 22:19 |
| Macer | ah. i see | 22:19 |
| Macer | like canadian rogers | 22:19 |
| Macer | heh | 22:19 |
| Macer | lots of people seem to have problems with htc and rogers | 22:20 |
| Macer | ah well.. bbl | 22:20 |
| Macer | i need a damn n810 tho | 22:20 |
| Macer | should have gotten one sooner ;) | 22:20 |
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| konttori_ | VDVsx: it opened! | 22:20 |
| konttori_ | the menu ran with decent speed. | 22:21 |
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| konttori_ | but then it jammed. I think there is something that is not working correctly | 22:23 |
| konttori_ | oh, now I see text coming from bottom. | 22:23 |
| konttori_ | but really slow. | 22:23 |
| VDVsx | that part is also very slow in the n810 :( | 22:24 |
| konttori_ | I think there is something that is not written very optimally in that game. | 22:24 |
| konttori_ | how do I skip it? | 22:24 |
| VDVsx | c | 22:24 |
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| konttori_ | c does not help | 22:25 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, sorry esc or return | 22:26 |
| VDVsx | c in the following screens (c acts like enter, lolol) | 22:26 |
| lbt | fiferboy :) | 22:27 |
| konttori_ | ok. well, I cannot skip it. | 22:27 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, don't have the return key :P ? | 22:27 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Now I can make major changes that I was putting off because I had no easy way of backing them out if they didn't work. | 22:27 |
| konttori_ | I have return key, but it doesn't work | 22:28 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, :( | 22:28 |
| lbt | using branches of course | 22:28 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Of course :) | 22:28 |
| konttori_ | well, key works, but the app is not responding to it. | 22:28 |
| fiferboy | An experimental branch for the changes, a build branch to merge onto, and a separate clone to do the actual build | 22:28 |
| konttori_ | and I know that pygame gets the key correctly as I use it in ukmp | 22:28 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, probably it will run slowly anyway, thanks for the effort | 22:29 |
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| lbt | explore branches that add a specific feature | 22:29 |
| lbt | once the feature works you merge back to master and discard | 22:29 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I am trying to determine how to best branch my application | 22:30 |
| fiferboy | Do I really need anything more than master (besides temporary branches) on a project this size? | 22:30 |
| konttori_ | VDVsx: you can estimate that the device is 2-3 times faster than n810. | 22:30 |
| lbt | well | 22:30 |
| fiferboy | Shoudl debian (and debian-maemo) be permanent branches? | 22:30 |
| lbt | if you maintain it | 22:31 |
| fiferboy | ~s/shoudl/should/ | 22:31 |
| konttori_ | some perf is lost on the compositing, but, if you run non-composited, of course, you gain it back. | 22:31 |
| lbt | not those, no | 22:31 |
| lbt | but I'd consider master=stable | 22:31 |
| konttori_ | and that game runs quite a bit better in non composited mode. | 22:31 |
| lbt | and what you publish to extras | 22:31 |
| lbt | and then consider what features you want to add | 22:31 |
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| lbt | and branch-per-feature is common | 22:31 |
| lbt | until you are happy it's 'done' | 22:32 |
| lbt | then merge+discard | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Right now I have a database-revamp branch | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | So when I am done the changes, I'll merge and discard | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | If I have problems with it down the line (say after several other changes) I can still back it out, right? | 22:32 |
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| lbt | yes | 22:33 |
| fiferboy | Excellent | 22:33 |
| lbt | equally you can branch master to fix a bug | 22:33 |
| lbt | and not have to disrupt db-revamp | 22:34 |
| VDVsx | konttori_, strange it 'runs' on my n810, probably some mad programming :), did you ran any game with decent graphics on the device ? | 22:35 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I am finally confident when deleting vast swaths of code | 22:37 |
| lbt | heh | 22:38 |
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| ShadowJK | anyone got any experience with how much mail claws can handle? | 22:40 |
| derf | Less than 20,000 messages. | 22:43 |
| derf | At 20,000, it would load up my mailbox just fine, but as soon as it went to check mail, it started swapping and never stopped. | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: it handles my email fine | 22:44 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: How is OBS going? | 22:44 |
| ShadowJK | derf: tried it with less? | 22:45 |
| derf | ShadowJK: No. | 22:45 |
| lbt | good - I'm almost done with phase one of the crossbuilding | 22:45 |
| derf | I didn't feel like deleting mail to test out a mail program that was obviously going to be unsuitable for me. | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | derf: was that in one folder or spread across many? | 22:45 |
| derf | That was 3 folders. | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 22:45 |
| Macer | blah | 22:46 |
| * ShadowJK abandons idea to import his email then | 22:46 | |
| ShadowJK | I'll just limit myself to new emails during holiday | 22:46 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Phase one? I take it all subsequent phases are simple by comparison? | 22:46 |
| Macer | i didnt know pandora was a damn game system | 22:47 |
| Macer | like some handheld gaming crap | 22:47 |
| lcuk | konttori_, you sound like you can run in both composited and non composited modes, or was that part hypothetical | 22:48 |
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| * lcuk waves at everyone as well \o | 22:48 | |
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| lbt | fiferboy: phase 2 will be hard :) | 22:55 |
| lbt | first bit was getting i586 packages built in a way that they install "out of the way" on armel chroot | 22:56 |
| lbt | and then symlink over the armel variant | 22:56 |
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| lbt | and use .so libs that have been pushed to one side | 22:57 |
| lbt | all as part of the OBS build system and so you can use them seamlessly :) | 22:57 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: This speeds up compilation? | 23:02 |
| lbt | that's the idea | 23:02 |
| lbt | like sb2 | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | qwerty12_N810, can i have a word | 23:05 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: sure | 23:06 |
| lcuk | :D | 23:06 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Is this something that needs to be maintained as packages change? | 23:08 |
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| lbt | lightly (I hope) | 23:09 |
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