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| lcuk | talig, i see your woes | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/PyPackager | 00:09 |
| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb | 00:09 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pypackager/ | 00:10 |
| jeremiah | talig: Hi there. :) | 00:11 |
| jeremiah | talig: Can I help you with specific packaging problems? | 00:11 |
| talig | lcuk - thanks! :) | 00:12 |
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| talig | jeremiah: I've been trying to package some application and the packaging is somewhat inadequate. | 00:12 |
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| talig | lcuk: the packager only works on the device. I suppose nothing that works on a host, command line or from scratchbox without transparency, eh? | 00:15 |
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| talig | lcuk: Installation fails :( It says it can't get the package. "Application package not found." | 00:24 |
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| talig | help :'( | 00:38 |
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| jeremiah | talig: You still around? | 01:02 |
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| karatchov | hello | 01:13 |
| karatchov | plz, someone can recommend which version of scratchbox to start with ? | 01:14 |
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| karatchov | I'm new to both, sb1 seems te be well documented | 01:15 |
| lardman | can Python classes have internal class definitions? | 01:15 |
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| lardman | karatchov: probably whichever one is recommended on the Maemo SDK page would be the best beyt | 01:15 |
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| nomis | lardman: what are internal class definitions? | 01:15 |
| lardman | nomis: my made up word :) | 01:15 |
| lardman | can I have a class that has another class inside it | 01:16 |
| nomis | mhm. | 01:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: WRT zbar, have you seen its configure.ac? Search for PYTHON_LIBS... | 01:16 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N810: no, but I will take a look, thanks | 01:16 |
| talig | jeremiah, lcuk : Anyone able to help with a packaging problem? | 01:17 |
| nomis | lardman: it seems to work. | 01:17 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: I think that sem_post rubbish may have confused it though | 01:17 |
| lardman | nomis: ah, I should just have tried myself then I suppose | 01:17 |
| VDVsx | lardman, nested classes ? sure search for metaprogramming | 01:17 |
| nomis | lardman: http://pastebin.com/m662d5ff6 | 01:17 |
| lardman | VDVsx: yeah | 01:17 |
| lardman | nomis: thanks | 01:18 |
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| karatchov | sb1 is the official recommended one for Diablo-dev, sb2 seems to be solve many of sb1 problems | 01:18 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: your build fails because the configure.ac doesn't run python-config --libs and sub the output into the PYTHON_LIBS var | 01:18 |
| qwerty12_N810 | -.ac | 01:18 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, you can use metaclasses or normal nested classes :) | 01:19 |
| blassey | jeremiah: ping? | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Like I said, that sem_post stuff means nothing as the cflags from that command got included fine | 01:19 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: ok, thanks | 01:20 |
| lardman | VDVsx: over my head, just learning as I go along :) | 01:20 |
| VDVsx | lardman, it's easy to catch :P | 01:21 |
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| VDVsx | g'night all :) | 01:23 |
| lardman | night VDVsx | 01:23 |
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| talig | Helo | 01:25 |
| talig | Hello everyone, does anyone know if there's a problem installing a package meant for chinook on diablo? | 01:26 |
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| javispedro | talig: probably depends on the package dependencies; e.g. installing a package depending only on glibc should work | 01:31 |
| javispedro | your best bet is to try it, since chinook and diablo are similar | 01:32 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: weird that PYTHON_LIBS is not set in there | 01:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: I know, that's what I thought when I saw it as I don't see why one would set PYTHON_CFLAGS and not the LIBS | 01:33 |
| jeremiah | blassey: Hello | 01:33 |
| lardman | ah well :) | 01:33 |
| jeremiah | talig: Hello - here I am, you disappeared. | 01:33 |
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| blassey | jeremiah: hi there, we're trying to sort out how to do localizations for fennec | 01:34 |
| blassey | with the debian packaging | 01:34 |
| jeremiah | blassey: okay | 01:34 |
| jeremiah | Have you looked at .po files? | 01:34 |
| jeremiah | I'm not saying that is the solution, but it is pretty widespread in debian. | 01:35 |
| blassey | no, can you point me at some documentation? | 01:35 |
| jeremiah | BTW, pretty interesting article on Mozilla and Google in the NY Times recently. | 01:35 |
| * jeremiah runs off to find docs for po files | 01:35 | |
| blassey | yea, that was a good read | 01:35 |
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| jeremiah | http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans | 01:36 |
| jeremiah | ^^ That ought to get you started. | 01:36 |
| blassey | ahh, thanks | 01:36 |
| jeremiah | blassey: Cheers. | 01:36 |
| blassey | I'll take a read through that | 01:36 |
| blassey | might ping you again tomorrow with questions | 01:36 |
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| jeremiah | blassey: I am hacking code at the moment, so I often get lost and forget to show up on IRC | 01:37 |
| jeremiah | blassey: Feel free to email me regarding maemo / debian packaging at jeremiah @ maemo.org | 01:37 |
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| jeremiah | Or ping me here. | 01:37 |
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| jeremiah | You too talig! | 01:38 |
| jeremiah | :) | 01:38 |
| blassey | jeremiah: mind if I put you in the CC on our packaging bugs? | 01:38 |
| jeremiah | blassey: Please do. | 01:38 |
| blassey | thanks | 01:38 |
| jeremiah | No promises that I will fix them. :) | 01:38 |
| jeremiah | But I might be able to help. | 01:38 |
| blassey | even if you could pipe up to say "hey you're being idiots" it would be helpful | 01:38 |
| jeremiah | blassey: I doubt I'll ever say that. =) | 01:39 |
| mozPike | jeremiah: hi there. I'm Axel, and among other things, l10n@mozilla.com. I'm based in Berlin, so I might poke you at daytime :-) | 01:40 |
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| jeremiah | mozPike: He Axel - how goes it? | 01:40 |
| jeremiah | s/He/Hey/ | 01:41 |
| infobot | jeremiah meant: mozPike: Hey Axel - how goes it? | 01:41 |
| mozPike | jeremiah: "late", but good. You're jeremiah [at] jeremiahfoster.com on our bugzilla, right? | 01:41 |
| jeremiah | mozPike: Yes - that's me. | 01:41 |
| jeremiah | Feel free to use that or jeremiah [at] maemo.org for any packaging questions. | 01:42 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Me too what? :) | 01:42 |
| jeremiah | talig: Well, feel free to contact me at jeremiah [at] maemo.org with packaging questions. | 01:43 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: well after fixing that, or at least thinking I have by setting the env var through configure, it now can't find python.h. Great! ;) | 01:43 |
| jeremiah | But since we're both here now . . . | 01:43 |
| jeremiah | It looks like you were trying to install a chinook package on diablo | 01:43 |
| jeremiah | talig: Is that right? | 01:43 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Thanks :) The pypackager i was recommended before | 01:44 |
| talig | It has no diablo version. | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | Really? | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | I didn't know that. | 01:44 |
| talig | it installed ok, but the package it created is not working :( | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | But I recommend building packages by hand the first time. | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | Its easier. | 01:44 |
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| jeremiah | s/Its/It's/ | 01:44 |
| infobot | jeremiah meant: It's easier. | 01:44 |
| talig | Yup. No diablo version, and you can't download it anywhere but the repository for chinook | 01:44 |
| jeremiah | Yuck. | 01:45 |
| talig | Jeremiah: I already tried that path | 01:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: check your methods ;). It doesn't seem like a hard configure.ac to modify and then autoreconf anyway | 01:45 |
| jeremiah | talig: What errors did you get? | 01:45 |
| talig | Sadly, may hand-made packaged were not more successful. | 01:45 |
| jeremiah | talig: First, what are you packing? | 01:45 |
| jeremiah | Something from debian or ubuntu? | 01:45 |
| jeremiah | Or something you have written. | 01:45 |
| mozPike | jeremiah: CCed you on the bug. blassey hinted that you're in europe, too? Mind if I ping you tomorrow for some insight? I know a good deal about how we do l10n and build, but sorry little about deb packaging | 01:45 |
| lardman | hmm, python-config isn't on the path now apparently | 01:45 |
| talig | Jeremiah: No errors, it just doesn't run. Python application I wrote | 01:45 |
| jeremiah | mozPike: Yeah, I am in CET, so you can ping me tomorrow. | 01:46 |
| mozPike | cool, thanks so much | 01:46 |
| jeremiah | I will be watching lots of debconf9 proceedings and doing a little hacking, so I may not be so responsive on IRC, but I'll try to check in! | 01:46 |
| jeremiah | talig: Hmmm. How are you calling it? | 01:47 |
| talig | Jeremiah: A few .py scripts. if I run it from the xterm it works fine, but I can't minimize the application (meaning, I can, but it won't let me restore it) - it's gtk/hildon. | 01:47 |
| jeremiah | talig: Okay, so you're packaging a python script as a hildonized gtk app? | 01:47 |
| talig | Jeremiah: If however I try either of my packages, looks like the installation is a total flop, and files do not end up where they should be :( | 01:48 |
| talig | jeremiah: I suppose that would be the non-english name for what I'm doing, yes ;) | 01:48 |
| jeremiah | talig: Are you specifying where they should end up in debian/rules? | 01:48 |
| talig | Jeremiah: I tried. I generally followed this howto http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html#link22 | 01:48 |
| jeremiah | heh, I'll try to stick to English. | 01:48 |
| talig | jeremiah: It's ok :) I speak russian and hebrew, if it helps in any way ;0 | 01:49 |
| talig | ;) | 01:49 |
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| jeremiah | talig: Sorry, no Russian or Hebrew. :( | 01:49 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Then English it is :) | 01:50 |
| jeremiah | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 01:50 |
| jeremiah | ^^ The above link is the canonical source for packaging for debian. | 01:50 |
| javispedro | ^^ the bible | 01:50 |
| jeremiah | But we can do a couple short cuts perhaps. | 01:50 |
| javispedro | either way it's a recommend read, it made me understand lots of things | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: canonical? Isn't that your enemy? :P | 01:51 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: right, sorted thanks. Now onto the next question, which is how to get the lib packaged - I guess I need to do some copying and pasting inside the debian dir so it knows what to do | 01:51 |
| javispedro | and it's still on my bookmarks.... great as a reference too | 01:51 |
| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Touche! | 01:51 |
| talig | Jeremiah, I'm currently on GMT+1, so I'll read it tomorrow, and for now I'm all ears for shortcuts :) | 01:52 |
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| jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Or should I say, touché? | 01:53 |
| jeremiah | talig: Sounds good. :) | 01:53 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Either one goes, I'm not one for accents :P | 01:53 |
| talig | Jeremiah: :) | 01:54 |
| jeremiah | talig: If you can boil down concrete problems, it helps me. | 01:54 |
| jeremiah | That is to say, if you can find exactly what is going wrong, it is easier for me to help you. | 01:54 |
| jeremiah | But I realize that this is a difficult process and it is hard to know exactly whats going on. | 01:54 |
| jeremiah | In any case, be assured that if you can program, you can make a good package. | 01:55 |
| talig | jeremiah: Ok, so my original problem was the minimization issue | 01:56 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Then I was told I need to have a .desktop file so that it will be properly supported, and so I generally started in writing a .desktop file and ended with deciding that I want to package my application. | 01:57 |
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| talig | Jeremiah: Then I went through the howto I linked you to, and ended up with a package that installs but doesn't run: namely, if I click the icon in the extras, it does nothing. | 01:59 |
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| jeremiah | talig: Well, it sounds like one problem might be a packaging problem, but the other problem might be with your .desktop file | 02:00 |
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| jeremiah | The minimization problem is not a problem in the packaging, at least that I am aware of. | 02:01 |
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| jeremiah | It sounds more like a hildonization problem. | 02:01 |
| jeremiah | Or an X window problem. | 02:01 |
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| talig | Jeremiah: Yeah, I figured the packaging wouldn't solve the minimization problem :) | 02:02 |
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| talig | Jeremiah: But now that I started on the packaging, I'd like to get it to install properly :/ | 02:02 |
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| jeremiah | talig: What errors are you getting when you try to install? | 02:05 |
| talig | Jeremiah: no errors, nothing happens. If i look in /usr/bin I don't see my files :( | 02:06 |
| jeremiah | Can you paste you debian/rules file? | 02:06 |
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| talig | certainly. Where do I paste? I'll flood the channel if I paste here... | 02:06 |
| jeremiah | Some kinda paste bot like thing. | 02:08 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Personal messages ok? | 02:08 |
| jeremiah | I'll find an URL | 02:08 |
| jeremiah | Sure. | 02:08 |
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| jeremiah | ooops | 02:08 |
| nomis | http://pastebin.com | 02:08 |
| nomis | eh. | 02:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I was about to say that I wouldn't recommend that for that exact reason. | 02:08 |
| Myrtti | *snerk* | 02:08 |
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| nomis | talig: http://pastebin.com | 02:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~pastebin | 02:09 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste | 02:09 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, let's try pastebin | 02:09 |
| jeremiah | Myrtti: No snerking! | 02:09 |
| jeremiah | :) | 02:09 |
| talig | Jeremiah: http://pastebin.com/d1f8e0f5a | 02:09 |
| jeremiah | talig: Well, you've commented out dh_install | 02:10 |
| jeremiah | That is what installs your software. | 02:10 |
| jeremiah | So remove the comment on line 69 | 02:11 |
| jeremiah | And then test. | 02:11 |
| jeremiah | Also, uncomment line 76 which is dh_python | 02:11 |
| talig | Ok, testing. | 02:12 |
| jeremiah | dh_python is "debhelper python" and that should do some good things for python scripts. | 02:12 |
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| talig | jeremiah: Installed, no icon :/ checking for /usr/bin | 02:17 |
| talig | nope | 02:17 |
| jeremiah | Is your software called pyprivacy? | 02:19 |
| talig | jeremiah: Aye. | 02:19 |
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| talig | Jeremiah, still there? | 02:23 |
| lardman | night all | 02:24 |
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| jeremiah | talig: Yep. | 02:27 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Any ideas? :( Installation claims success, but no icon in the app list, and no file in the /usr/bin... | 02:28 |
| jeremiah | Well, I think we need to look at the build process, how are you calling the build? | 02:29 |
| jeremiah | Are you using dpkg-buildpackage? | 02:29 |
| talig | yes. generally, everything is according to the howto | 02:29 |
| talig | I wasn't very creative in the build process :) | 02:30 |
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| talig | Jeremiah: I have a setup.py that's supposed to put everything in place, and a Makefile that wraps it. | 02:32 |
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| jeremiah | Okay. So it looks like we need to tell debhelper that we are using setup.py | 02:34 |
| jeremiah | talig: Can you paste your Makefile in paste bin? | 02:34 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Certainly. | 02:34 |
| jeremiah | cool | 02:35 |
| talig | http://pastebin.com/m39f16b88 | 02:35 |
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| chx | ok , so i bought or about to buy 32gb SD card (with the necessary cover/adapter) , a quality screenprotector (invisibleshield), external battery for the N810. What else can I buy for it :) ? | 02:37 |
| * jeremiah surfing pastebig | 02:38 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | chx: ak-47 attachment | 02:38 |
| jeremiah | s/pastebig/pastebin | 02:38 |
| jeremiah | s/pastebig/pastebin/ | 02:39 |
| infobot | jeremiah meant: s/pastebin/pastebin | 02:39 |
| chx | qwerty12_N810: URL? What's an ak-47? | 02:41 |
| jeremiah | talig: I suspect what is the problem here is the Makefile specifies a build system (in this case setup.py) but the actual build tool (debhelper) does not use it. | 02:41 |
| jeremiah | talig: This is a bit complex. | 02:42 |
| javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/ cool "private" pastebin | 02:42 |
| jeremiah | There are numerous build systems, and I think you are mixing them. | 02:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | chx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47 | 02:42 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Sounds like something that will cause such a thing. | 02:42 |
| chx | oh | 02:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sorry :P | 02:42 |
| chx | and what good would it make to attach the N810 to such a big unwieldy piece of metal? | 02:43 |
| jeremiah | So. I think we should sleep on this and take it up tomorrow. | 02:43 |
| jeremiah | talig: How does that sound to you? | 02:43 |
| jeremiah | I will look at some documentation on how to package python apps. (My speciality is really perl) | 02:43 |
| jeremiah | And we can take another shot at this tomorrow. | 02:44 |
| talig | Jeremiah: I'll take what you're willing to give. :) Sleep sounds appealing right now. | 02:44 |
| talig | Jeremiah: Thanks a bundle, good night and sweet dreams! Gnight all. | 02:45 |
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| chx | qwerty12_N810: more seriously | 02:49 |
| chx | qwerty12_N810: that full size SD adapter/cover have not occured me for months | 02:49 |
| chx | qwerty12_N810: so I am asking what other cool stuff is out there i have no clue of? i can only google stuff i know what. | 02:49 |
| chx | how do you google 'cool hardware for the n810' | 02:49 |
| chx | like http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-for-Nokia-N810-OTG-on-the-go-N-810_W0QQitemZ260449899711QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090720?IMSfp=TL090720164006r16385 this :D | 02:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Have you looked in tmo's Accessories forum? I'm not one for accessories, personally, so I wouldn't know of anything myself, sorry | 02:51 |
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| erik____ | hi | 04:25 |
| erik____ | I am using OS2008. I have a few "problems" and I thought you could help me | 04:26 |
| erik____ | Is it possible to run script from the file manager ? | 04:26 |
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| comhack | Does anyone know where the minimalistic theme is located? I have read through pages of forum posts about it but can not find a link to download it. I am running OS 2008. Thanks | 05:30 |
| comhack | I am looking the 2.0 version that is darker. It is by Andrew Black andrewfblack's Avatar | 05:33 |
| comhack | andrewfblack andrewfblack is offline | 05:33 |
| comhack | sorry | 05:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | It's a theme for tmo, not the tablet | 05:33 |
| comhack | ahh thanks | 05:33 |
| comhack | that makes sense | 05:33 |
| comhack | already using that one on the forums | 05:34 |
| comhack | thanks | 05:34 |
| comhack | well there is screenshots of it on the tablet though | 05:34 |
| comhack | nevermind I see | 05:34 |
| comhack | that is the shot of the forum from the nit | 05:34 |
| comhack | thanks alot | 05:35 |
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| vasily_pupkin | moo ^_^ | 08:35 |
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| chx | what a place irc has became where anyone can just moo his neighbour like that. | 08:44 |
| chx | :P | 08:44 |
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| talig-away | chx: I suppose you could quak as well ;) | 09:13 |
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| sarower | Hello all, Good morning! | 09:17 |
| sarower | I am using the following method to run an application from applet....I want to send some message to the application | 09:18 |
| sarower | osso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); | 09:18 |
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| sarower | But i can not.....How i can do that..? | 09:18 |
| sarower | any help? | 09:18 |
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| sarower | I am using the following method to run an application from applet....I want to send some message to the application | 10:11 |
| sarower | osso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); | 10:11 |
| sarower | But i can not.....How i can do that..? | 10:11 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:23 |
| danielwilms | sarower have you seen the example in the documentation? It's not with the async function, but should help you to get it once running. then you can play around with it :) | 10:25 |
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| danielwilms | sarower its chapter 6.9.2 for diablo ;) | 10:26 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 10:27 | |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:44 |
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| pr0metoys | hi, tried to ask yesterday, but had a bad connection: | 10:51 |
| pr0metoys | how can I set midori as default browser in diablo | 10:51 |
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| sarower | danielwilms: whose chapter...6.9.2? | 10:56 |
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| sarower | danielwilms : do you have any ref..? | 10:57 |
| danielwilms | sarower of the diablo documentation | 10:58 |
| sarower | oh.... | 10:59 |
| sarower | thank you | 10:59 |
| danielwilms | sarower for fremantle the documentation of this part is not out yet, but AFAIK there no big changes anyway | 11:00 |
| sarower | danielwilms: Oh ok.. thanks... | 11:00 |
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| Myrtti | discussion about documentation ♥ | 11:01 |
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| sarower | danielwilms: Do you know how to handle / get the drag event from applet...? | 11:05 |
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| sarower | danielwilms: it does not get normally... as like normal application | 11:05 |
| danielwilms | sarower...I've done it in python long time ago but I know that there at least the documentation was quite straight forward. hmmm...isn't that mentioned in the docs?? let me have a look | 11:06 |
| sarower | danielwilms: in maemo sdk 5 beta.. it is normal.. but maemo sdk 5 beta2 it does not work..! | 11:07 |
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| danielwilms | ahh...it is just a beta2 prob...you should mention that! :) | 11:08 |
| danielwilms | sarower but does the dbus-monitor work?? | 11:08 |
| sarower | danielwilms: Oh i am sorry..I am seeing the dbus- issue....let me know that.. | 11:09 |
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| danielwilms | sarower: http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_-_SDK_and_Scratchbox#.22dbus-monitor.22_does_not_work_in_Scratchbox._What_can_I_do.3F | 11:10 |
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| sarower | danielwilms: dbus-monitor --system | 11:12 |
| sarower | Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory | 11:12 |
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| danielwilms | sarower: I've sent you the link how to solve that | 11:14 |
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| sarower | danielwilms: above link? | 11:15 |
| florian | good morning | 11:15 |
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| danielwilms | sarower yep | 11:15 |
| danielwilms | florian: morning :) | 11:16 |
| sarower | danielwilms: Thank you | 11:16 |
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| sarower | danielwilms: Previously it was giving error and after giving the command it is showing something... | 11:19 |
| sarower | What does it mean...? | 11:19 |
| sarower | actually | 11:19 |
| * RST38h wonders at which point danielwilms will give up =) | 11:19 | |
| danielwilms | sarower that it works, actually | 11:20 |
| sarower | danielwilms: oh... that means the system is ok... to transfer the message... | 11:21 |
| sarower | right? | 11:21 |
| sarower | danielwilms: seems now the code will work fine... ok? | 11:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: in the fight for more CPAs: http://slexy.org/view/s2CaM1WbDV | 11:23 |
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| danielwilms | sarower ufffff...I don't know your code...at least it has its chance now...I think now (!) is the time where I can't help you any further | 11:24 |
| danielwilms | ;) | 11:25 |
| RST38h | That was pretty quick | 11:25 |
| sarower | danielwilms: I am sorry! don't mind! | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: oh boy, this gtk.window casting is normal? | 11:26 |
| sarower | qwerty12_N810: you have given me the source... to run an application. It works fine.. and opens the application. But how i can send message to that application throght this method? Do you know? | 11:26 |
| sarower | osso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); | 11:26 |
| danielwilms | :D | 11:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I'm just using the data pointer given, but nothing stops one using a new Hildon.Window if they wish. The C code actually uses the GTK_* etc macros, pretty much what I'd have to use anyway in C | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: can you see any downsides to moving cpas away from control panel and into settings category? | 11:28 |
| RST38h | Next victim. | 11:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sarower: no, sorry, I don't know | 11:28 |
| sarower | ok | 11:28 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: How much applets do you wish to have there, ideally? Scrolling through the menu can get tedious at times | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: we do plan to get something more similar to wazd's menu | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | but you're right | 11:31 |
| sarower | qwerty12_N810: Do you know how to handle / get the drag event from applet...? | 11:32 |
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| sarower | qwerty12_N810: it does not get normally... as like normal application | 11:32 |
| talig1 | G'day everyone :) Jeremiah - are you around? | 11:32 |
| sarower | qwerty12_N810: in maemo sdk 5 beta 2 | 11:32 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | sarower: Sorry, the only applet stuff I've done is shit control panel ones. And I don't have the Fremantle SDK installed, either way | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: wait, does this turn into a real cpa i just have to drop in? | 11:33 |
| sarower | qwerty12_N810: Oh ok.. thank you! | 11:33 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: yes, run the command given and you get an so. I'd have liked to have skipped the gcc steps but valac can only seem to make executables directly (and documentation isn't the greatest) | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, that's great | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i assume you can't be lured to put it on /Mer/Documentation/Vala_Control_Panel and we'll improve it based on the pasted code? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | improve docs that is | 11:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Sure. Lol, no, please, improve the code. If anything, I'd learn from it | 11:43 |
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| VDVsx | morning RST38h :) | 11:48 |
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| talig | Does anyone have a clue what could be wrong with my .desktop or .service that when I click the icon -it claims it's starting the application but then does nothing? :( | 12:13 |
| talig | Works fine from xterm... | 12:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: done | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: much appreciated | 12:14 |
| qwerty12_N810 | talig: your service correctly references the program to run, is named correctly, is in the right place, and your desktop file has the X-Osso-Service reference correct? | 12:15 |
| * Stskeeps passes qwerty12_N810 a debconf cookie | 12:15 | |
| * qwerty12_N810 munches | 12:16 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Thanks! | 12:16 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: As far as I can tell. program to run is privacy_app, .desktop file is named the same .desktop, .service file is com.nokia.privacy_app.service | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | slexy pastes won't expire? | 12:16 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: .desktop references the latter (with the X-Osso-Service), and is in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 12:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: nope. Of course, I'd prefer it to be in the article itself but like I say: maemo.org wiki sucks by not understanding <source. | 12:17 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: and .service file is in /usr/share/dbus-1/services | 12:17 |
| talig | What am I missing? | 12:17 |
| RST38h | talig: You are probably listing your app as a service but do not implement a dbus service | 12:17 |
| RST38h | talig: Am I correct? | 12:17 |
| talig | RST38h: Interesting concept. What do I need to do to implement it? I tried without the service, btw, doesn't work either. | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Ok, let us do it the easy way first | 12:18 |
| RST38h | A moment | 12:18 |
| talig | RST38h: Easy is good :) | 12:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | talig: Don't use "com.nokia." - I've seen it frowned upon and it just causes confusion. "com.talig.pyprivacy" is acceptable | 12:19 |
| talig | qwerty12_N810: I'm not really using com.nokia, but I'm not in liberty to divulge what I am :P | 12:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Ah :P | 12:19 |
| RST38h | qwerty: I do not think he is using anything | 12:20 |
| talig | assume it's com.talig.privacy_app for all purpuses. | 12:20 |
| talig | RST38h: I'm a "she". | 12:20 |
| RST38h | talig: Ah, ok =) | 12:21 |
| RST38h | talig: I need a few more moments to find the appropriate tutorial | 12:21 |
| talig | RST38h: Take your time, and thanks for helping out! | 12:22 |
| RST38h | talig: Go to your desktop file and remove the X-Osso-Service line | 12:22 |
| talig | RST38h: I'll do it, but I've tried that before... | 12:22 |
| RST38h | talig: Make sure you have the Exec= line pointing to wherever your executable is | 12:23 |
| RST38h | talig: Do you have it? | 12:23 |
| talig | RST38h: Do I have what? [Yep, all done] | 12:23 |
| RST38h | Do you have the Exec= line? Does it point ot your executable file? | 12:24 |
| talig | Sure | 12:24 |
| RST38h | Do you have both the desktop file and the executable installed on the device? | 12:24 |
| talig | Yup | 12:25 |
| RST38h | On the device, run update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications | 12:25 |
| RST38h | After it finishes, try clicking onto your app icon | 12:25 |
| sampppa | what is the height of status/title area in fremantle application? | 12:26 |
| talig | nothing | 12:28 |
| RST38h | talig: All right. Try running your application form the command line. Does it run? | 12:28 |
| talig | RST38h: yes, I already mentioned that it works from the xTerm | 12:29 |
| talig | oh, wait... | 12:29 |
| RST38h | crashy crashy? =) | 12:29 |
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| talig | RST38h: No, just wouldn't call it from inside /usr/share/applications/hildon | 12:30 |
| talig | when I go back to /user/home its fine | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Sorry? | 12:30 |
| RST38h | So, are you reading some config file from the current working directory and crashing when it is not found? | 12:30 |
| talig | RST38h: I chdir'd to /usr/share/applications to make the adjustments. Had to chdir back to ~ | 12:30 |
| talig | RST38h: I'm not crashing. | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Here is your first problem then | 12:30 |
| talig | all of my files are in /usr/bin | 12:31 |
| RST38h | You cannot guarantee that Hildon Desktop will start your app from ~ | 12:31 |
| talig | RST38h: Accepted. | 12:31 |
| talig | RST38h: How do I fix it? | 12:31 |
| RST38h | talig: Wherever you open a config file, open it with the full path | 12:32 |
| talig | RST38h: It's not a config file that it doesn't find, it's the accessory .py scripts. | 12:32 |
| RST38h | talig: Then you should open those by their full path | 12:32 |
| talig | ok | 12:32 |
| RST38h | Or install them somehwere where Python can find them | 12:33 |
| RST38h | Note that I may not be your best bet when Python is concerned: using C/C++ here | 12:33 |
| qwerty12_N810 | os.chdir(os.path.expanduser("~")) - who's gonna shoot me for suggesting that dirtiness | 12:34 |
| RST38h | prolly not a good idea | 12:34 |
| RST38h | Better do it right | 12:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Mmm, agreed | 12:35 |
| talig | RST38h: It's ok, you were right, it works now. | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | getenv("HOME")? | 12:35 |
| talig | RST38h: I'll try to get it to use the service now... or no point? | 12:35 |
| RST38h | talig: If you want to have a nice "Loading xxx" bubble, then do try | 12:35 |
| RST38h | talig: Otherwise, just screw it for now | 12:36 |
| talig | RST38h: Great! Thanks a bundle!!! :) | 12:36 |
| RST38h | You're welcome. | 12:36 |
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| torkiano | hello all, where can I see the version of apps included in each version of maemo ? | 13:05 |
| torkiano | (the GTK+ versions, for example) | 13:06 |
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| _berto_ | torkiano: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ | 13:15 |
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| andre__ | torkiano, i normally use http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1/4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html and http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta2/beta_vs_beta2_content_comparison.html | 13:17 |
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| torkiano | _berto_, andre__ thank you | 13:18 |
| _berto_ | you're welcome | 13:19 |
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| sarower_ | Is it possible to send message through D-bus service from normal application to applet? | 13:21 |
| sarower_ | any idea? | 13:21 |
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| hendry | how can i tell if I'm running the latest firmware on a N810? | 13:33 |
| rmt_ | Ever flashed your device? If not, you probably don't .. (but no, I don't know how to tell) | 13:34 |
| rmt_ | Backup, Reflash, install bootmenu. | 13:34 |
| rmt_ | sarower_, If the applet is listening, then yes. | 13:35 |
| rmt_ | sarower_, I *think* you have to look in /etc/dbus*/system.d to see what events there are .. but I'm no dbus expert | 13:36 |
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| sarower_ | rmt_: Listening by socket? | 13:40 |
| hendry | i have "Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown" | 13:41 |
| hendry | i wonder if RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin would give me a more uptodate kernel? | 13:41 |
| rmt_ | sarower_, Listening for dbus events .. ie. you have to call it through Dbus, not directly. | 13:41 |
| sarower_ | yah.... | 13:41 |
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| murrayc | Does anyone know where the svn (or git) is for maemo fremantle's GTK+? | 13:43 |
| murrayc | This doesn't seem to be it: | 13:43 |
| murrayc | https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/gtk%2B/?root=maemo&pathrev=9626 | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | murrayc: it might be in tags, but that URL is where i normally see development | 13:44 |
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| Passeli | how do i enable network access in scratchbox ? | 13:46 |
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| danielwilms | Passeli what is the problem exactly? | 13:47 |
| danielwilms | any error messages? | 13:48 |
| Passeli | my browser application cannot load web pages | 13:48 |
| VDVsx | hendry, what firmware version do you have ? | 13:48 |
| hendry | VDVsx: I don't know how to find this out yet, much to my annoyance | 13:49 |
| VDVsx | hendry, control panel -> about product | 13:50 |
| hendry | VDVsx: is Version: 4.2008.23-14 uptodate? | 13:50 |
| danielwilms | Passeli which sdk and which browser?? | 13:50 |
| VDVsx | hendry, last one is 5.2008.43-7 | 13:51 |
| hendry | VDVsx: ok, so I can't update to this without flashing it right? with RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 13:51 |
| Passeli | danielwilms: diablo and Qt 4.5 Webkit based browser | 13:52 |
| VDVsx | hendry, yes | 13:52 |
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| VDVsx | hendry, my recomendation is a backup of your files and flash the device :) | 13:53 |
| danielwilms | Passeli but doesn't the internet work at all?? wget/apt don't work either?? | 13:53 |
| hendry | VDVsx: ok, thanks. Hmm, my usual USB cable isn't fitting into the N810. Argh. :/ | 13:55 |
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| VDVsx | hendry, you need a orginal cable :P, a mini usb don't fitt :) | 13:56 |
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| Passeli | danielwilms: those works | 13:58 |
| Passeli | danielwilms: QMaemoInternetConnectivity has received an error message. | 14:00 |
| Passeli | Name: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" | 14:00 |
| Passeli | Message: "The name com.nokia.icd was not provided by any .service files" | 14:00 |
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| danielwilms | Passeli but then it is not really the issue that the internet connection doesn't work...i think the name is "com.nokia.icd_ui" | 14:03 |
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| timelys | Andre, sing | 14:07 |
| Passeli | danielwilms: it seems that dns does not work | 14:07 |
| andre__ | timelys, song | 14:07 |
| danielwilms | Passeli you could try this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_-_SDK_and_Scratchbox#Why_can_I_reach_an_IP-address_but_no_domain_inside_Scratchbox.3F | 14:08 |
| Passeli | danielwilms: those did not work, but i added to the /etc/resolv.conf file inside scrathcbox same nameserver as i have in host (desktop) | 14:14 |
| Passeli | danielwilms: now dns works | 14:14 |
| danielwilms | Passeli ok, good | 14:15 |
| talig | RST38h: My application is a statusIcon thingy, but after I minimize it, I can't restore it. [i.e. icon is still there, program is still running, but I can't restore the window] | 14:19 |
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| talig | Anyone familiar with status icon -gtk-hildon apps? | 14:27 |
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| timelys | Xchat has one! | 14:28 |
| wazd_n800 | heya maemo | 14:29 |
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| rmt_ | Hmm - is there any way to stop the standard SIP client from automatically registering on connect? | 14:45 |
| rmt_ | Since it's unencrypted, I'd feel better not sharing my username/password | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: you have your tear+webkit packaging anywhere yet? | 15:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Bundyo hasn't updated his WebKit diff yet | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 15:11 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: ping | 15:21 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, pong | 15:22 |
| aquatix | speaking of tear, does it have a way of opening a uri from the cli? | 15:22 |
| aquatix | i want to config claws-mail to do so | 15:23 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: I had a look yesterday, but do you know off the top of your head how many slots there are for community speakers at the summit? | 15:23 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, 13 for each track, let me confirm | 15:24 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: Friday: ~9, Saturday: ~3*9, Sunday: ~10 by my count at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule | 15:24 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, friday is the nokia day, so we don't have slots there :) | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | Ah, OK | 15:25 |
| VDVsx | and also some of the community slots are already assigne to nokians | 15:26 |
| * Jaffa nods | 15:26 | |
| Jaffa | And some people will be doing double shifts. | 15:26 |
| VDVsx | true | 15:26 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, speakers requesting sponsorship will be around 10~15, I guess | 15:29 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, if you want I can cross this information and add it to a wiki page, if this will help you and the other deciding sponsorship | 15:30 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: Where'd you get that figure? Just a guess? | 15:33 |
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| VDVsx | Jaffa, yes :P, just a guess plus the people that already have talks accepted and has requested sponsorship already | 15:35 |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: OK, thanks | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=307196#post307196 is the reason :-) | 15:35 |
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| lbt | Jaffa: 2 or 3 of us won a sponsored trip to the summit at the Danish weekend. You may want to check what budget that comes out of. Hopefully not the Summit budget. | 16:18 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Those people were pretty likely to be sponsored anyway? :) | 16:20 |
| * lbt nods | 16:20 | |
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| lbt | They aren't mentioned in the list on tmo so just noting that there's a +3 | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Should I apply for sponsorship and come up with a talk? Or is the schedule full already? | 16:22 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I finally got 4.5.0 compiling, and it's been sent out to our devices. | 16:26 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Excellent! Everything is flicker-free now? | 16:26 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Yep. | 16:26 |
| fiferboy | Very cool | 16:26 |
| coldboot | yeah | 16:26 |
| fiferboy | Does anyone have a guess what "top 25" and "top 50" of karma would look like? | 16:27 |
| fiferboy | Is there any way to look at karma rankings? | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | fiferboy: maemo.org/profile/list/ | 16:28 |
| fiferboy | X-Fade: Thanks! | 16:29 |
| fiferboy | Wow, there is some big karma up there! | 16:29 |
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| X-Fade | Yes, there are some big numbers ;) | 16:31 |
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| talig | Hey fiferboy, how's it going? | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | Good, talig. And you? | 16:53 |
| talig | fiferboy: Doing my best :) | 16:54 |
| fiferboy | talig: How's the app? | 16:54 |
| talig | fiferboy: Slowly progressing. I don't know what I changed but not I have an ugly icon on the left side, which allows me to restore after minimization (the packaging thing is a bust for now, but Jeremiah is helping me out :) ) | 16:55 |
| talig | fiferboy: Now I'm wondering how I could customize the icon on the left | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | talig: So the minimize/restore works, as well as showing and hiding with the statusbar? | 16:56 |
| talig | showing and hiding with the statusicon doesn't work, and according to recent thread here: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimal-battery-life-considerations-in-apps-td3228133.html | 16:56 |
| fiferboy | talig: Make sure the icon you install is in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/hildon and that you do a "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" in your postinst script | 16:57 |
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| talig | I have to conclude it's not my fault :) | 16:57 |
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| talig | fifer: I have no installation script, so no postinst either... | 16:57 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Try running that command as root and see if your icon looks better | 16:58 |
| talig | fiferboy: i run it as root | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | talig: Assuming your icons are located in /usr/share/icons/hicolor somewhere | 16:58 |
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| talig | fiferboy: why would it look for the icons there? | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | talig: That is the folder that it caches and uses for icons | 17:02 |
| fiferboy | talig: I think you can also install your icons to a different location, but you have to specify the full path in your desktop file | 17:02 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: The schedule isn't full. And the best way to get sponsorship - and I'd argue strongly for this over anything else - is to be running a session | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Who did you "win" them from, OOI? | 17:04 |
| talig | fiferboy: I see. But in the Extras (where I can run it from) I see the custom icon. | 17:05 |
| talig | fiferboy: why doesn't it apply to the left-side taskbar | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | talig: How do you specify the icon in the dekstop file? The full path? | 17:06 |
| talig | fiferboy: nope, just file name, no extension | 17:06 |
| fiferboy | talig: Do you specify X-Window_icon in the desktop file? | 17:07 |
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| fiferboy | ~s/X-Window_icon/X-Window-Icon | 17:08 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: How long is a session? | 17:09 |
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| talig | fiferboy: nope. If that's what I need - what's the syntax | 17:10 |
| fiferboy | talig: X-Window-Icon=icon_name | 17:11 |
| fiferboy | talig: It shouldn't really be necessary, but you can see if it helps | 17:11 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: 30 mins, I believe. VDVsx is on the content committee | 17:11 |
| talig | fiferboy: I'd rather not. | 17:11 |
| talig | fiferboy: It's not mentioned here:http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format | 17:12 |
| fiferboy | talig: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node7.html#SECTION00791100000000000000 | 17:13 |
| talig | fiferboy: Doens't mention X-Window-Icon there either. | 17:13 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, RST38h , 25 min for normal sessions, 5 min for LT | 17:13 |
| fiferboy | talig: In "Other commonly used fields" | 17:13 |
| fiferboy | talig: Just below | 17:13 |
| talig | fiferboy: great, but I have the Icon field. | 17:14 |
| fiferboy | talig: Which works for your menu icon, but not for the taskbar | 17:14 |
| fiferboy | talig: It seems your program itself doesn't have an icon associtated with it. The "Icon" field just works for the desktop file | 17:15 |
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| talig | fiferboy: I can accept that, but I don't think that adding the X-Windows-Icon will fix it. I better figure out how to associate an icon with my program | 17:17 |
| fiferboy | talig: Try gtk_window_set_icon | 17:21 |
| talig | fiferboy: Hildon window... | 17:21 |
| talig | fiferboy: Will that work for a hildon window as well? | 17:21 |
| fiferboy | talig: Yes, hildon window inherits gtk window | 17:22 |
| talig | fiferboy: Okidoki, trying | 17:22 |
| fiferboy | talig: You just pass your hildon window in the gtk_window_set_icon call | 17:22 |
| talig | fiferboy: self.window.set_icon won't do? | 17:26 |
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| talig | fiferboy: I'm writing python | 17:26 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Ah, python. Yes, that should do I think | 17:27 |
| talig | ok., trying | 17:27 |
| talig | brb | 17:27 |
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| RST38h | ????????????? ??????? ?? ??????? | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:22 |
| RST38h | Sorry, wrong paste | 18:22 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5324542/creative-zii-egg-plaszma-android+wielding-ipod-touch | 18:22 |
| RST38h | Here, feed | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | Sts: You may especially like this one | 18:23 |
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| Stskeeps | that's a shitty resolution.. | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | True | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | also it looks like yet another locked down android thing | 18:26 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I wonder when they get sued by Apple and for how much though | 18:27 |
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| andre__ | "...from many countries and the Netherlands too" is a great sentence in the wiki. :-D | 18:38 |
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| VDVsx | andre__, Netherlands is special :P | 18:59 |
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| rmt_ | VDVsx: GGGGG | 19:06 |
| * rmt_ just spat all over VDVsx | 19:06 | |
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| * VDVsx gets the machine gun and fire 1000 bullets against rmt_ :P | 19:08 | |
| rmt_ | G! G! G! G! | 19:08 |
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| VDVsx | rmt_, no hard feelings, I like Netherlands, I've some good friends there :) | 19:14 |
| rmt_ | Me too. | 19:14 |
| rmt_ | I worked with dutch - saved money on showering of a morning.\ | 19:15 |
| lcuk | thats a pretty big brush to stroke | 19:15 |
| lcuk | im sure not ALL the dutch folks are smelly | 19:15 |
| javispedro | the apple tablet is not even out and random blogs are already saying it'll "help save the slumping music industry" | 19:15 |
| lcuk | fuck the music industry, i want it hacked and at my house pdq | 19:16 |
| javispedro | wtf has a tablet with the "music industry"? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | i hope they add a wall hanger to it | 19:16 |
| javispedro | specially a 10'' tablet | 19:16 |
| lcuk | itunes | 19:16 |
| lcuk | album art | 19:16 |
| javispedro | the beattles | 19:16 |
| lcuk | someone will make a realistic LP simulation ;) | 19:17 |
| javispedro | s/beattles/beatles | 19:17 |
| javispedro | ~burn sed | 19:17 |
| lcuk | with scratching capabilities | 19:17 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over sed, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 19:17 | |
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| rmt_ | lcuk, No - I'm referring to the gutterals of the dutch language spraying me with water of a morning. ;) | 19:18 |
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| javispedro | “It’s all about re-creating the heyday of the album when you would sit around with your friends looking at the artwork, while you listened to the music,” | 19:19 |
| VDVsx | javispedro, a 10'' tablet for $800 :P | 19:20 |
| javispedro | with laptop speakers attached to a 10'' tablet filled with fingerprints | 19:20 |
| VDVsx | you can buy two netbooks for the same price, lol | 19:20 |
| erik____ | the point with fingerprint is to know who listen to the music so that you can charge them | 19:20 |
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| lcuk | rmt_, i think thats actually worse | 19:25 |
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| * lcuk throws up in his mouth | 19:25 | |
| jeremiah | lcuk: yuck | 19:26 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, yeah, dutch isn't a very nice language to hear, but in the other hand dutch girls are very pretty ;) | 19:31 |
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| rmt_ | VDVsx, Many are.. and many others look like they're related to half the people in town.. The netherlands was a bunch of small islands for far too long. I think I prefer well invaded lands for the girls. :) | 19:38 |
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| rmt_ | So offence intended to the dutch.. The same could be said about many other countries too. :) | 19:39 |
| rmt_ | No | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol | 19:41 |
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| lbt | I have found a wonderful technique for encouraging our pets to be affectionate | 19:50 |
| lbt | Stockholm Syndrome | 19:50 |
| RST38h | lbt: stuffing them in adorable poses? | 19:50 |
| rmt_ | lbt - Works the same for kids too, I hear. :) | 19:51 |
| mavhc | fear leads to anger | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | mavhc: Initially, yes, until the victim is made to understand its own helplesness | 19:59 |
| mavhc | anger leads to hate | 20:01 |
| RST38h | also initially | 20:02 |
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| Myrtti | fear is the mindkiller | 20:02 |
| javispedro | hate leads to windows mobile? | 20:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | These days I think it's Android. :P | 20:02 |
| rmt_ | hate leads to a caffeine addiction | 20:02 |
| rmt_ | a caffeine addiction leads to a programmer with wacky ideas about how to raise pets | 20:03 |
| RST38h | General: Not S60? =) | 20:03 |
| * RST38h is surprised | 20:03 | |
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| lbt | where have we had success in Maemo being opened? | 20:05 |
| lcuk | lbt, you get arrested for bein too affectionate with your pets | 20:08 |
| lbt | my fluffy wuvs me | 20:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | metaphysical abuse | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | I think metaphysical abusers prefer the term "love" | 20:13 |
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| * javispedro wonders if Diablo may see a Flash SSU now with all that recent noise about some the-world-is-going-to-end vulnerability | 20:17 | |
| RST38h | no. | 20:18 |
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| javispedro | they already stopped even security bugfixes? | 20:18 |
| lardman | morning all | 20:18 |
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| RST38h | what security bugfixes? | 20:19 |
| johnsq | Hi | 20:19 |
| RST38h | heya lardman | 20:19 |
| javispedro | hi | 20:19 |
| lardman | hey chaps | 20:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h, http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa09-03.html | 20:19 |
| RST38h | javispedro: and? =) | 20:19 |
| javispedro | slashdot says it's being "actively exploited" | 20:20 |
| mavhc | he's saying there were never any security bugfixes from nokia, I assume | 20:21 |
| wirelessdreamer | Myrtti: Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration | 20:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: you can fix it by buying n9x0 | 20:21 |
| RST38h | when it is released that is | 20:21 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: ping | 20:24 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, can you file a bug in bugs.maemo.org about CVE-2009-1862 ? | 20:25 |
| andre__ | the adobe thingy | 20:25 |
| * lcuk goes to christmas party \o | 20:25 | |
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| lcuk | bbl | 20:25 |
| andre__ | christmas?! | 20:26 |
| javispedro | andre__, why not? do i have to do anything or just putting the adobe advisory url there will suffice? | 20:26 |
| lcuk | yes andre__ :) christmas.. | 20:26 |
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| lardman | hi & bye lcuk | 20:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Whatever you file, they will mark it as fixed-in-fremantle | 20:26 |
| lcuk | file it directly at adobe | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | hi simon \o | 20:27 |
| lcuk | cya later | 20:27 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, is he/she British ? :P | 20:27 |
| lcuk | yes, its also a haloween/bonfire/easter party :| | 20:27 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, just give me that link and file it against browser/plugins. thanks in advance | 20:28 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Unless of course it is a MicroB bug, in which case it will be marked wont-fix | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, 0: | 20:28 |
| andre__ | RST38h, "they" might be me, being that messenger... | 20:28 |
| RST38h | andre: Possibly, yes | 20:28 |
| andre__ | but at least i want Nokia's potential Diablo update failure be correctly documented by having some public proof that they suck somtimes | 20:29 |
| RST38h | andre: But it really does not matter who marks it wont-fix, so I have no personal negative feeling against you :) | 20:29 |
| javispedro | now that's a good plan | 20:29 |
| andre__ | ...plus: I still want to try :-P | 20:29 |
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| andre__ | RST38h: sure, no problem, we can still have a one-on-one fight at maemo summit ;-)) | 20:29 |
| andre__ | jk | 20:30 |
| RST38h | andre: In the Ring of Death, yessss | 20:30 |
| andre__ | aight! | 20:30 |
| javispedro | and I remember reading someone somewhere (sometime, maybe in 2008, so don't trust me) that "emergency" security bugfixes might get backported to diablo | 20:30 |
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| javispedro | unfortunately ;) I doubt this advisory is an "emergency", considering most exploits are going to be x86 | 20:31 |
| Myrtti | remember kids, you're allowed to use only 770's as beating bludges | 20:31 |
| Myrtti | no n8x0s! | 20:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Flash plugin is not officially maintained by Nokia | 20:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: So no bugfixes to it | 20:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: See the gettimeofday() bug for reference | 20:32 |
| andre__ | hey, an exploit script for the n8x0 attached to that bugreport is welcome ;-)) (just kidding) | 20:32 |
| VDVsx | Myrtti, can I use a 3210 ? :) | 20:32 |
| andre__ | RST38h, gettimeofday() ? which one is that? | 20:32 |
| Myrtti | VDVsx: classic or the old one? | 20:32 |
| RST38h | andre: Multiple copies of embedded Flash hanging the tablet | 20:32 |
| VDVsx | Myrtti, old one of course, is rock solid :) | 20:32 |
| * Myrtti considers | 20:33 | |
| Myrtti | mmm yes | 20:33 |
| RST38h | andre: the one where timeless first made me collect a shitload of debug data then the bug got closed for "no additional data" | 20:33 |
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| VDVsx | that guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3210 :) | 20:33 |
| VDVsx | wow, 40 ringtones by default , lol | 20:34 |
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| RST38h | andre: Funny thing is, at that point I actually figured out what was going on and even found a few similar bug reports on the net and a "fix" by Redhat to their kernel | 20:34 |
| Myrtti | gosh I loved that phone. I had several covers for it | 20:34 |
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| Myrtti | blue, yellow and dragon ones... | 20:35 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 20:35 |
| * Myrtti feels old | 20:35 | |
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| VDVsx | Myrtti, my first phone and still works :P | 20:35 |
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| Myrtti | VDVsx: I gave my mum a 3110 classic last christmas to replace the one she used | 20:37 |
| mavhc | dragon, the 8th colour of the rainbow | 20:37 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: You are only old if you got to use the original Motorola brick | 20:37 |
| RST38h | 3210 does not qualify | 20:37 |
| Myrtti | she used 3210 for three years after finally ditching the high tech 1631 that could not only receive, but *send* SMS's | 20:37 |
| javispedro | "Hackers exploiting a newfound flaw in Adobe Flash video player and Acrobat Reader can steal data and take money from bank accounts, online security experts say. " Now that would be a good preface | 20:38 |
| Myrtti | no, not 1631 | 20:38 |
| Myrtti | 1063 | 20:38 |
| mavhc | how's gnash coming along? | 20:38 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: does it count I put the quick call numbers on my dads NMT 450, 900 and later GSM Motorolas? | 20:38 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, what is motorola brick number/model ? | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Definitely, but only if you did so in a location where NMT 450 is no longer used | 20:39 |
| Myrtti | well, he had GSM motorola for a short while and returned it for NMT900 | 20:39 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: MicroTac I think | 20:39 |
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| Myrtti | MicroTac ♥ | 20:40 |
| Myrtti | the flip was lovely | 20:40 |
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| mavhc | I can't get a new phone as the one with the same/better features is too much just to fix the small problems I have | 20:40 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_MicroTAC OMG | 20:40 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: The first commercially available one was Moto DynaTAC | 20:41 |
| Myrtti | oh gosh, the nostalgy | 20:41 |
| VDVsx | you need large pockets for that one :P | 20:41 |
| * RST38h had StarTAC for a while, nice phone | 20:41 | |
| RST38h | It was the RAZR+iPhone of its time... | 20:41 |
| * RST38h also had one of the first WAP-enabled phones | 20:41 | |
| Myrtti | 7110? ewwee | 20:42 |
| Myrtti | :-D | 20:42 |
| RST38h | nope | 20:42 |
| andre__ | javispedro, "execute arbitrary code via (1) a crafted Flash application in a .pdf file or (2) a crafted .swf file, related to authplay.dll" | 20:42 |
| andre__ | hmm, i wonder if that's possible on the N8x0 | 20:42 |
| javispedro | i am searching for the .swf file | 20:42 |
| andre__ | anybody ever seen a PDF with an embedded swf file? shrug | 20:42 |
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| javispedro | i do have the pdf but not the tool to extract it :P | 20:42 |
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| VDVsx | never saw those motorola's here, probably I'm too young | 20:43 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: These are all analog phones, widespread in the States at the time | 20:44 |
| * VDVsx only remembers old phone from nokia, alcatel and eriksson | 20:45 | |
| * mavhc imagines analog cell phones to have rotary dialing | 20:45 | |
| RST38h | Nokia 3650 ALMOST had rotary dialing | 20:46 |
| * RST38h even got used to it, but apparently other users haven't, so Nokia replaced it with 3660 | 20:46 | |
| mavhc | did it have an extra large 5? | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | mavhc: had little bumps on a few buttons | 20:47 |
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| * RST38h also got to use and develop for 7650, the first Nokia's S60 phone | 20:48 | |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, the keys were very small (3650) | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | 7650 was the N95 of the time, as clumsy and overhyped :) | 20:48 |
| mavhc | see http://www.trashbat.co.ck/ | 20:48 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: they really felt ok, although the arrangement was weird :) | 20:49 |
| mavhc | http://www.trashbat.co.ck/t12/index.html | 20:49 |
| Myrtti | ooooo my mums phone http://www.cellink.com.au/products/images/nokia_1610.jpg | 20:49 |
| Myrtti | used that more than once to bludgeon fishes | 20:50 |
| Myrtti | faster kill, tender meat | 20:50 |
| Myrtti | :-D | 20:50 |
| VDVsx | lol | 20:51 |
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| Myrtti | you could indeed also *send* sms's with 1631 and not just receive | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | too bad all the letters were in caps | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | took about six months for her to learn to not use caps | 20:52 |
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| RST38h | some people never learn not to use caps | 20:54 |
| Jaffa | lardman: pong | 20:55 |
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| wazd_n800 | remoo maemo | 20:59 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: was just wondering about the compatibility of your artistic licence and the GPL | 20:59 |
| xnt14 | %runcmd moo | 20:59 |
| xnt14 | moo | 20:59 |
| xnt14 | hahaha | 20:59 |
| lardman | Jaffa: as the wiimote stuff is GPL and I've just cut it down to the bare minimum | 20:59 |
| * xnt14 was just messing around with xchat :P | 21:00 | |
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| Jaffa | lardman: The Artistic licence is GPL compatible; but I'm happy to relicense Horizon. Artistic's my general preferred one, but I'm not too fussy for something which is so trivial. | 21:00 |
| lardman | I don't care personally, I can just add a comment above the code: "Borrowed from such and such, licensed under the GPL, modified by me" etc | 21:01 |
| lardman | I never know if that's acceptable though | 21:01 |
| lardman | or I could just stick it in a separate file and import it | 21:01 |
| * Jaffa 'll change the whole thing to GPL; saves any worries :) | 21:01 | |
| xnt14 | %runcmd moo("#mer") | 21:01 |
| lardman | ok, hold your horses though until I'm sure it works, save you the typing | 21:02 |
| lardman | :) | 21:02 |
| Jaffa | :) | 21:02 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:02 |
| Jaffa | Apparently the values I'm interpreting are backwards anyway | 21:02 |
| lardman | so I read, would be easy to solve by giving us some hardware of course ;) | 21:04 |
| Jaffa | Indeed | 21:04 |
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| chx | so my favorite laptop sleeve is a zeroshock, is there anything even remotely similar in endurance for the n810? | 21:08 |
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| talig | Hi everyone | 21:09 |
| talig | jeremiah: Good evening :) | 21:09 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, at least the test "SWF in PDF" file i found on adobe's page doesn't work in Fremantle | 21:12 |
| javispedro | wow I'm impressed | 21:12 |
| javispedro | i found the swf file | 21:12 |
| andre__ | so probably nokia is not affected | 21:12 |
| andre__ | http://www.adobe.com/devnet/captivate/articles/movieclip_to_pdf.html | 21:12 |
| andre__ | or what's your source/ | 21:12 |
| andre__ | ? | 21:12 |
| andre__ | because pdf reader in diablo and fremantle is basically the same (rotten) code | 21:13 |
| javispedro | the backtrack reveals libflashplayer calling g_spawn_command_line then crashing | 21:13 |
| javispedro | andre__, i looked at a badware domain list, found a active one and downloaded everything | 21:14 |
| andre__ | javispedro, hmm... if you have a sweet testcase please file it. because for me it doesn't work :-P | 21:14 |
| javispedro | so I don't know if it's ...erm.. fine for me to post it | 21:14 |
| andre__ | ehehe. or send me an email or whatever :-P | 21:14 |
| javispedro | will try on the tablet now | 21:14 |
| andre__ | aklapper at openismus dot com | 21:14 |
| esaym153 | noes...n810 has been removed from nokia.com | 21:15 |
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| andre__ | later | 21:16 |
| javispedro | crashes browserd | 21:18 |
| javispedro | the exploit is not working though, expected since from what I've seen is x86 | 21:19 |
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| javispedro | the exact behaviour is: browserd crashes, restarts itself, crashes again, the browser-ui closes | 21:24 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, anyway, please file me a bug or send me an email with instructions. i'd love to test this :) | 21:26 |
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| javispedro | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 21:38 |
| javispedro | x4576c138 in ?? () from /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so | 21:38 |
| javispedro | and that's about it... | 21:39 |
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| javispedro | andre__, enable swap or remove the javascript eval() call or all you'll see is out of memory | 21:41 |
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| KamikaziFreak | After having my tablet go into endless reboot mode for the third time, I've decided that I need to make a script that runs every night that the device is on, that checks for file changes and backs up to SD. However, I've got a problem for right now; I've got files on the device that I want, but can't get to them. | 21:46 |
| KamikaziFreak | Does anyone know any crazy hacks to get to these, such as tricks with the flasher tool, or booting from SD? | 21:47 |
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| * lardman reads about OMAP3 DSP stuff | 21:49 | |
| lardman | and waits for some hw to be released.... | 21:50 |
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| johnsq | lardman: before you write omap3 dsp stuff, omap4 is released. | 21:50 |
| lardman | johnsq: yeah probably true :) | 21:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | omap4+AC'97 codec :D | 21:51 |
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| * xnt14 tries netbsd.....in kvm :P | 22:02 | |
| xnt14 | net.bsd.xceleo.org....lol :P | 22:02 |
| xnt14 | bsd.xceleo.org :P | 22:02 |
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| Macer | anybody know what the computer is called to connect to a car data port? | 22:07 |
| derf | Macer: ODB2. | 22:08 |
| Macer | odb2? | 22:09 |
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| xnt14 | brb, going to kill init, kvm is not responding...:P | 22:09 |
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| derf | E.g., http://www.scantool.net/scan-tools/ | 22:10 |
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| Macer | derf | 22:13 |
| Macer | txn | 22:13 |
| Macer | tnx | 22:13 |
| Macer | derf: what is the best to use for it? | 22:17 |
| Macer | to get all the codes and stuff? | 22:17 |
| derf | To get codes, monitor fuel consumption (in real time), etc. | 22:17 |
| Macer | would be neet if i could mount a libretto on the dash | 22:17 |
| Macer | and use a usb ver | 22:18 |
| derf | There's a maemo app that interfaces with the bluetooth ones. | 22:18 |
| derf | I forget what it's called. | 22:18 |
| Macer | wow really? | 22:18 |
| Macer | damn | 22:18 |
| Macer | that would be worth getting an n800 haha | 22:19 |
| fiferboy | carmon | 22:19 |
| Macer | wow | 22:19 |
| Macer | i want an n810 now | 22:19 |
| Macer | just to mount on the windshield | 22:19 |
| fiferboy | ~s/carmon/carman/ | 22:19 |
| Macer | and run bt carmon | 22:20 |
| Macer | haha | 22:20 |
| fiferboy | http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ | 22:20 |
| Macer | wow | 22:21 |
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| Macer | ok. i will get the bt ver | 22:25 |
| Macer | comes w/ pc software im hoping | 22:25 |
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| t_s_o | hrmf, seems load applet shows the swap symbol even after swap have been disabled, if swap had been in use beforehand... | 22:29 |
| t_s_o | probably worthless to report tho, as for all i know its fixed in fremantle :P | 22:29 |
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| Macer | fiferboy: wow | 22:31 |
| Macer | that app looks awesome | 22:32 |
| RST38h | t_s_o: the load applet is a third party app, isn't it? | 22:32 |
| javispedro | agreed | 22:32 |
| Macer | doesnt say it it reads error codes tho | 22:32 |
| javispedro | the app looks awesome ;) is there a video of it in action? | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | I've never tried it with an actual ODB2 device, so I don't know about that part | 22:32 |
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| Macer | heh | 22:33 |
| RST38h | it is kinda useless without OBD2 | 22:34 |
| RST38h | but cute | 22:34 |
| t_s_o | RST38h: not sure, i think it may be a offshot of something ones developed at nokia. seems to be a garage area for it, but it has no bug report system enabled... | 22:35 |
| t_s_o | oh wait, maybe its under bugs.maemo these days :S | 22:35 |
| t_s_o | i kinda stopped going there after seeing mail after mail about "fixed in fremantle"... | 22:35 |
| xnt14 | result of total boredom: http://xceleo.org/xd/ | 22:36 |
| xnt14 | tweeted: http://twitter.com/xnt1337/status/2895592224 | 22:36 |
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| javispedro | see you're still in spain, sts :D | 22:38 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | indeed, javispedro | 22:38 |
| Macer | that thing is going to make me get an n810 | 22:38 |
| Macer | does an n810 have a window mount? | 22:38 |
| t_s_o | there is a car mount, iirc... | 22:39 |
| Macer | doesnt the windshield mount come with it i mean? | 22:39 |
| Macer | yeah | 22:39 |
| Macer | ok | 22:39 |
| Macer | im going to order one and the bt scan tool | 22:39 |
| Macer | that thing is AWESOME | 22:39 |
| Macer | it would go great in my car lol | 22:39 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: you still about? What is the provider supposed to return, the 3 angles? | 22:43 |
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| lardman | ah, was looking at the dummy provider, doh | 22:45 |
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| lardman | hmm, if I want to multiply all the values in a Python list by 1000, do I have to do: var[0:2] = var[0:2]*1000 | 22:47 |
| lardman | or access each one individually? | 22:47 |
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| lardman | ~lart "TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable" error | 22:56 |
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| slonopotamus | lardman, var = [x * 1000 for x in var] | 22:56 |
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| lardman | slonopotamus: ah, what if I have 3 different functions providing the data?: | 22:56 |
| lardman | return [int(self.force_gx*1000), int(self.force_gy*1000), int(self.force_gz*1000)] | 22:56 |
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| slonopotamus | yikes, doubles rounding | 22:57 |
| lardman | don't ask me, just trying to fit in with Jaffa's code ;) | 22:58 |
| lardman | but the multiply happens before the int conversion | 22:58 |
| lardman | so should be ok | 22:58 |
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| slonopotamus | return [int(x * 1000) for x in [self.force_gx, self.force_gy, self.force_gz]] :P | 22:59 |
| lardman | well I tried this: return [ int(x * 1000) for x in (self.force_gx, self.force_gy, self.force_gz)] | 22:59 |
| lardman | ah, square brackets instead :) | 22:59 |
| Macer | heh | 23:00 |
| Macer | i bid on an n810 | 23:00 |
| Macer | they're hard to find from stores now :-\ | 23:00 |
| lardman | drat, same error | 23:00 |
| Macer | i'm going to get the car scan tool thing tomorrow | 23:00 |
| Macer | heh | 23:00 |
| lardman | CSI time, bbl to continue the accelerometer quest | 23:00 |
| slonopotamus | 'same'? | 23:00 |
| Macer | that crap comes with a usb bt adapter | 23:00 |
| lardman | Macer: how much are they? | 23:00 |
| Macer | lardman: anywhere between 150-400 | 23:01 |
| Macer | i just want it for the carman thing | 23:01 |
| Macer | heh | 23:01 |
| lardman | I think my OBD2 port is under the steering wheel, so not much use while running in any case | 23:01 |
| lardman | hit my knees on it :) | 23:01 |
| Macer | well | 23:01 |
| Macer | the bt version | 23:01 |
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| Macer | shouldn't get in the way too much ;) | 23:01 |
| lardman|CSI | Macer: still need to plug it in though | 23:01 |
| Macer | yeah i guess | 23:01 |
| Macer | my port is underneath the dash | 23:01 |
| lardman|CSI | anyway must go, wife shouting that it's started | 23:02 |
| Macer | so it won't get in the way at all | 23:02 |
| Macer | ok | 23:02 |
| Macer | later | 23:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh. Forums full of people complaining about N97 GPS. Not about TFF, but its ability to track | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | Atleast the N810 stays tracking once it acquires fix :) | 23:05 |
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