IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-07-28

*** benh has joined #maemo00:02
*** SHADOW_V1 has quit IRC00:06
lcuktalig, i see your woes00:09
lcukhttps://wiki.maemo.org/PyPackager00:09
lcukhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb00:09
lcukhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pypackager/00:10
jeremiahtalig: Hi there. :)00:11
jeremiahtalig: Can I help you with specific packaging problems?00:11
taliglcuk - thanks! :)00:12
*** lizardo has quit IRC00:12
*** SHADOW_V has quit IRC00:12
taligjeremiah: I've been trying to package some application and the packaging is somewhat inadequate.00:12
*** tonikitoo has quit IRC00:13
*** stv0 has joined #maemo00:15
*** stv0 has left #maemo00:15
*** roue has quit IRC00:15
taliglcuk: the packager only works on the device. I suppose nothing that works on a host, command line or from scratchbox without transparency, eh?00:15
*** halves has quit IRC00:16
*** lardman has joined #maemo00:18
*** RXrenesis8 has joined #maemo00:18
*** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo00:18
*** AltC has quit IRC00:23
*** geaaru has quit IRC00:24
*** vingtetun has joined #maemo00:24
*** chelli has quit IRC00:24
taliglcuk: Installation fails :( It says it can't get the package. "Application package not found."00:24
*** wirelessdreamer has joined #maemo00:26
*** brankinhu_ has joined #maemo00:27
*** brankinhu has quit IRC00:28
*** L0cutus has quit IRC00:29
*** vilen has quit IRC00:29
*** renato_ has joined #maemo00:32
*** jhford has quit IRC00:33
*** SHADOW_V2 has quit IRC00:36
talighelp :'(00:38
*** jhford has joined #maemo00:39
*** talig has quit IRC00:41
*** alex-weej has quit IRC00:42
*** stv01 has joined #maemo00:45
*** ignacius has quit IRC00:45
*** setanta has quit IRC00:55
*** stv01 has left #maemo00:55
*** chenca has quit IRC00:56
*** baraujo has quit IRC00:59
*** promulo has joined #maemo00:59
*** jaska has joined #maemo00:59
*** StsN810 has quit IRC01:00
jeremiahtalig: You still around?01:02
*** greentux has quit IRC01:03
*** tonikitoo has joined #maemo01:04
*** Pyrhos has quit IRC01:07
*** brankinhu_ has quit IRC01:07
*** __t has joined #maemo01:10
*** melmoth has quit IRC01:10
*** tbf has quit IRC01:11
*** hellwolf has quit IRC01:11
*** karatchov has joined #maemo01:13
karatchovhello01:13
karatchovplz, someone can recommend which version of scratchbox to start with ?01:14
*** brolin has joined #maemo01:14
karatchovI'm new to both, sb1 seems te be well documented01:15
lardmancan Python classes have internal class definitions?01:15
*** tbf has joined #maemo01:15
lardmankaratchov: probably whichever one is recommended on the Maemo SDK page would be the best beyt01:15
*** lcuk has quit IRC01:15
nomislardman: what are internal class definitions?01:15
lardmannomis: my made up word :)01:15
lardmancan I have a class that has another class inside it01:16
nomismhm.01:16
qwerty12_N810lardman: WRT zbar, have you seen its configure.ac? Search for PYTHON_LIBS...01:16
*** renato_ has quit IRC01:16
*** talig has joined #maemo01:16
*** hugopl has quit IRC01:16
lardmanqwerty12_N810: no, but I will take a look, thanks01:16
taligjeremiah, lcuk : Anyone able to help with a packaging problem?01:17
nomislardman: it seems to work.01:17
lardmanqwerty12_N810: I think that sem_post rubbish may have confused it though01:17
lardmannomis: ah, I should just have tried myself then I suppose01:17
VDVsxlardman, nested classes ? sure search for metaprogramming01:17
nomislardman: http://pastebin.com/m662d5ff601:17
lardmanVDVsx: yeah01:17
lardmannomis: thanks01:18
*** matt_c has quit IRC01:18
karatchovsb1 is the official recommended one for Diablo-dev, sb2 seems to be solve many of sb1 problems01:18
*** macmaN6789 has quit IRC01:18
qwerty12_N810lardman: your build fails because the configure.ac doesn't run python-config --libs and sub the output into the PYTHON_LIBS var01:18
qwerty12_N810-.ac01:18
*** blassey has joined #maemo01:19
VDVsxlardman, you can use metaclasses or normal nested classes :)01:19
blasseyjeremiah: ping?01:19
qwerty12_N810lardman: Like I said, that sem_post stuff means nothing as the cflags from that command got included fine01:19
lardmanqwerty12_N810: ok, thanks01:20
lardmanVDVsx: over my head, just learning as I go along :)01:20
VDVsxlardman, it's easy to catch :P01:21
*** andrefelipe has left #maemo01:22
VDVsxg'night all :)01:23
lardmannight VDVsx01:23
*** bilboed has quit IRC01:23
*** VDVsx has quit IRC01:24
taligHelo01:25
taligHello everyone, does anyone know if there's a problem installing a package meant for chinook on diablo?01:26
*** tbf has quit IRC01:27
*** luck has quit IRC01:28
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]01:30
javispedrotalig: probably depends on the package dependencies; e.g. installing a package depending only on glibc should work01:31
javispedroyour best bet is to try it, since chinook and diablo are similar01:32
lardmanqwerty12_N810: weird that PYTHON_LIBS is not set in there01:32
qwerty12_N810lardman: I know, that's what I thought when I saw it as I don't see why one would set PYTHON_CFLAGS and not the LIBS01:33
jeremiahblassey: Hello01:33
lardmanah well :)01:33
jeremiahtalig: Hello - here I am, you disappeared.01:33
*** benh has quit IRC01:34
blasseyjeremiah: hi there, we're trying to sort out how to do localizations for fennec01:34
blasseywith the debian packaging01:34
jeremiahblassey: okay01:34
jeremiahHave you looked at .po files?01:34
jeremiahI'm not saying that is the solution, but it is pretty widespread in debian.01:35
blasseyno, can you point me at some documentation?01:35
jeremiahBTW, pretty interesting article on Mozilla and Google in the NY Times recently.01:35
* jeremiah runs off to find docs for po files01:35
blasseyyea, that was a good read01:35
*** mozPike has joined #maemo01:36
jeremiahhttp://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans01:36
jeremiah^^ That ought to get you started.01:36
blasseyahh, thanks01:36
jeremiahblassey: Cheers.01:36
blasseyI'll take a read through that01:36
blasseymight ping you again tomorrow with questions01:36
*** t_s_o has quit IRC01:36
jeremiahblassey: I am hacking code at the moment, so I often get lost and forget to show up on IRC01:37
jeremiahblassey: Feel free to email me regarding maemo / debian packaging at jeremiah @ maemo.org01:37
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo01:37
jeremiahOr ping me here.01:37
*** LinuxCode has quit IRC01:38
jeremiahYou too talig!01:38
jeremiah:)01:38
blasseyjeremiah: mind if I put you in the CC on our packaging bugs?01:38
jeremiahblassey: Please do.01:38
blasseythanks01:38
jeremiahNo promises that I will fix them. :)01:38
jeremiahBut I might be able to help.01:38
blasseyeven if you could pipe up to say "hey you're being idiots" it would be helpful01:38
jeremiahblassey: I doubt I'll ever say that. =)01:39
mozPikejeremiah: hi there. I'm Axel, and among other things, l10n@mozilla.com. I'm based in Berlin, so I might poke you at daytime :-)01:40
*** briglia has quit IRC01:40
jeremiahmozPike: He Axel - how goes it?01:40
jeremiahs/He/Hey/01:41
infobotjeremiah meant: mozPike: Hey Axel - how goes it?01:41
mozPikejeremiah: "late", but good. You're jeremiah [at] jeremiahfoster.com on our bugzilla, right?01:41
jeremiahmozPike: Yes - that's me.01:41
jeremiahFeel free to use that or jeremiah [at] maemo.org for any packaging questions.01:42
taligJeremiah: Me too what? :)01:42
jeremiahtalig: Well, feel free to contact me at jeremiah [at] maemo.org with packaging questions.01:43
lardmanqwerty12_N810: well after fixing that, or at least thinking I have by setting the env var through configure, it now can't find python.h. Great! ;)01:43
jeremiahBut since we're both here now . . .01:43
jeremiahIt looks like you were trying to install a chinook package on diablo01:43
jeremiahtalig: Is that right?01:43
taligJeremiah: Thanks :) The pypackager i was recommended before01:44
taligIt has no diablo version.01:44
jeremiahReally?01:44
jeremiahI didn't know that.01:44
taligit installed ok, but the package it created is not working :(01:44
jeremiahBut I recommend building packages by hand the first time.01:44
jeremiahIts easier.01:44
*** danilocesar has quit IRC01:44
jeremiahs/Its/It's/01:44
infobotjeremiah meant: It's easier.01:44
taligYup. No diablo version, and you can't download it anywhere but the repository for chinook01:44
jeremiahYuck.01:45
taligJeremiah: I already tried that path01:45
qwerty12_N810lardman: check your methods ;). It doesn't seem like a hard configure.ac to modify and then autoreconf anyway01:45
jeremiahtalig: What errors did you get?01:45
taligSadly, may hand-made packaged were not more successful.01:45
jeremiahtalig: First, what are you packing?01:45
jeremiahSomething from debian or ubuntu?01:45
jeremiahOr something you have written.01:45
mozPikejeremiah: CCed you on the bug. blassey hinted that you're in europe, too? Mind if I ping you tomorrow for some insight? I know a good deal about how we do l10n and build, but sorry little about deb packaging01:45
lardmanhmm, python-config isn't on the path now apparently01:45
taligJeremiah: No errors, it just doesn't run. Python application I wrote01:45
jeremiahmozPike: Yeah, I am in CET, so you can ping me tomorrow.01:46
mozPikecool, thanks so much01:46
jeremiahI will be watching lots of debconf9 proceedings and doing a little hacking, so I may not be so responsive on IRC, but I'll try to check in!01:46
jeremiahtalig: Hmmm. How are you calling it?01:47
taligJeremiah: A few .py scripts. if I run it from the xterm it works fine, but I can't minimize the application (meaning, I can, but it won't let me restore it) - it's gtk/hildon.01:47
jeremiahtalig: Okay, so you're packaging a python script as a hildonized gtk app?01:47
taligJeremiah: If however I try either of my packages, looks like the installation is a total flop, and files do not end up where they should be :(01:48
taligjeremiah: I suppose that would be the non-english name for what I'm doing, yes ;)01:48
jeremiahtalig: Are you specifying where they should end up in debian/rules?01:48
taligJeremiah: I tried. I generally followed this howto http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html#link2201:48
jeremiahheh, I'll try to stick to English.01:48
taligjeremiah: It's ok :) I speak russian and hebrew, if it helps in any way ;001:49
talig;)01:49
* jeremiah Loads talig's link01:49
*** Ryback_ has quit IRC01:49
jeremiahtalig: Sorry, no Russian or Hebrew. :(01:49
taligJeremiah: Then English it is :)01:50
jeremiahhttp://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/01:50
jeremiah^^ The above link is the canonical source for packaging for debian.01:50
javispedro^^ the bible01:50
jeremiahBut we can do a couple short cuts perhaps.01:50
javispedroeither way it's a recommend read, it made me understand lots of things01:51
qwerty12_N810jeremiah: canonical? Isn't that your enemy? :P01:51
lardmanqwerty12_N810: right, sorted thanks. Now onto the next question, which is how to get the lib packaged - I guess I need to do some copying and pasting inside the debian dir so it knows what to do01:51
javispedroand it's still on my bookmarks.... great as a reference too01:51
jeremiahqwerty12_N810: Touche!01:51
taligJeremiah, I'm currently on GMT+1, so I'll read it tomorrow, and for now I'm all ears for shortcuts :)01:52
*** kkrusty has joined #maemo01:53
jeremiahqwerty12_N810: Or should I say, touché?01:53
jeremiahtalig: Sounds good. :)01:53
qwerty12_N810Either one goes, I'm not one for accents :P01:53
taligJeremiah: :)01:54
jeremiahtalig: If you can boil down concrete problems, it helps me.01:54
jeremiahThat is to say, if you can find exactly what is going wrong, it is easier for me to help you.01:54
jeremiahBut I realize that this is a difficult process and it is hard to know exactly whats going on.01:54
jeremiahIn any case, be assured that if you can program, you can make a good package.01:55
taligjeremiah: Ok, so my original problem was the minimization issue01:56
taligJeremiah: Then I was told I need to have a .desktop file so that it will be properly supported, and so I generally started in writing a .desktop file and ended with deciding that I want to package my application.01:57
*** flavioribeiro has quit IRC01:57
taligJeremiah: Then I went through the howto I linked you to, and ended up with  a package that installs but doesn't run: namely, if I click the icon in the extras, it does nothing.01:59
*** victorpoluceno has joined #maemo01:59
*** stv0 has joined #maemo02:00
jeremiahtalig: Well, it sounds like one problem might be a packaging problem, but the other problem might be with your .desktop file02:00
*** brolin has quit IRC02:00
*** hannesw has quit IRC02:00
jeremiahThe minimization problem is not a problem in the packaging, at least that I am aware of.02:01
*** stv0 has left #maemo02:01
jeremiahIt sounds more like a hildonization problem.02:01
jeremiahOr an X window problem.02:01
*** hannesw has joined #maemo02:02
*** blade_runner has quit IRC02:02
taligJeremiah: Yeah, I figured the packaging wouldn't solve the minimization problem :)02:02
*** karatchov has left #maemo02:02
taligJeremiah: But now that I started on the packaging, I'd like to get it to install properly :/02:02
*** febb has quit IRC02:03
*** Sargun has quit IRC02:04
*** lbt has quit IRC02:05
jeremiahtalig: What errors are you getting when you try to install?02:05
taligJeremiah: no errors, nothing happens. If i look in /usr/bin I don't see my files :(02:06
jeremiahCan you paste you debian/rules file?02:06
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC02:06
taligcertainly. Where do I paste? I'll flood the channel if I paste here...02:06
jeremiahSome kinda paste bot like thing.02:08
taligJeremiah: Personal messages ok?02:08
jeremiahI'll find an URL02:08
jeremiahSure.02:08
*** talig has quit IRC02:08
jeremiahooops02:08
nomishttp://pastebin.com02:08
nomiseh.02:08
qwerty12_N810I was about to say that I wouldn't recommend that for that exact reason.02:08
Myrtti*snerk*02:08
*** talig has joined #maemo02:08
nomistalig: http://pastebin.com02:09
qwerty12_N810~pastebin02:09
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste02:09
jeremiahYeah, let's try pastebin02:09
jeremiahMyrtti: No snerking!02:09
jeremiah:)02:09
taligJeremiah: http://pastebin.com/d1f8e0f5a02:09
jeremiahtalig: Well, you've commented out dh_install02:10
jeremiahThat is what installs your software.02:10
jeremiahSo remove the comment on line 6902:11
jeremiahAnd then test.02:11
jeremiahAlso, uncomment line 76 which is dh_python02:11
taligOk, testing.02:12
jeremiahdh_python is "debhelper python" and that should do some good things for python scripts.02:12
*** mozPike has quit IRC02:16
taligjeremiah: Installed, no icon :/ checking for /usr/bin02:17
talignope02:17
jeremiahIs your software called pyprivacy?02:19
taligjeremiah: Aye.02:19
*** kkrusty has left #maemo02:20
*** timeless_mbp has quit IRC02:22
*** matzenh has joined #maemo02:23
taligJeremiah, still there?02:23
lardmannight all02:24
*** lardman has quit IRC02:24
*** nai1sirk has quit IRC02:25
*** jnettlet has quit IRC02:27
jeremiahtalig: Yep.02:27
taligJeremiah: Any ideas? :( Installation claims success, but no icon in the app list, and no file in the /usr/bin...02:28
jeremiahWell, I think we need to look at the build process, how are you calling the build?02:29
jeremiahAre you using dpkg-buildpackage?02:29
taligyes. generally, everything is according to the howto02:29
taligI wasn't very creative in the build process :)02:30
*** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo02:31
taligJeremiah: I have a setup.py that's supposed to put everything in place, and a Makefile that wraps it.02:32
*** xnt14 has joined #maemo02:33
jeremiahOkay. So it looks like we need to tell debhelper that we are using setup.py02:34
jeremiahtalig: Can you paste your Makefile in paste bin?02:34
taligJeremiah: Certainly.02:34
jeremiahcool02:35
talighttp://pastebin.com/m39f16b8802:35
*** havan has quit IRC02:36
*** benh has joined #maemo02:37
chxok , so i bought or about to buy 32gb SD card (with the necessary cover/adapter) , a quality screenprotector (invisibleshield), external battery for the N810. What else can I buy for it :) ?02:37
* jeremiah surfing pastebig02:38
qwerty12_N810chx: ak-47 attachment02:38
jeremiahs/pastebig/pastebin02:38
jeremiahs/pastebig/pastebin/02:39
infobotjeremiah meant: s/pastebin/pastebin02:39
chxqwerty12_N810: URL? What's an ak-47?02:41
jeremiahtalig: I suspect what is the problem here is the Makefile specifies a build system (in this case setup.py) but the actual build tool (debhelper) does not use it.02:41
jeremiahtalig: This is a bit complex.02:42
javispedrohttp://maemo.pastebin.com/ cool "private" pastebin02:42
jeremiahThere are numerous build systems, and I think you are mixing them.02:42
qwerty12_N810chx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-4702:42
taligJeremiah: Sounds like something that will cause such a thing.02:42
chxoh02:42
qwerty12_N810Sorry :P02:42
chxand what good would it make to attach the N810 to such a big unwieldy piece of metal?02:43
jeremiahSo. I think we should sleep on this and take it up tomorrow.02:43
jeremiahtalig: How does that sound to you?02:43
jeremiahI will look at some documentation on how to package python apps. (My speciality is really perl)02:43
jeremiahAnd we can take another shot at this tomorrow.02:44
taligJeremiah: I'll take what you're willing to give. :) Sleep sounds appealing right now.02:44
taligJeremiah: Thanks a bundle, good night and sweet dreams! Gnight all.02:45
* talig is out.02:45
*** talig is now known as talig-away02:45
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s02:45
*** vingtetun has quit IRC02:47
chxqwerty12_N810: more seriously02:49
chxqwerty12_N810: that full size SD adapter/cover have not occured me for months02:49
chxqwerty12_N810: so I am asking what other cool stuff is out there i have no clue of? i can only google stuff i know what.02:49
chxhow do you google 'cool hardware for the n810'02:49
chxlike http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-for-Nokia-N810-OTG-on-the-go-N-810_W0QQitemZ260449899711QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090720?IMSfp=TL090720164006r16385 this :D02:51
qwerty12_N810Have you looked in tmo's Accessories forum? I'm not one for accessories, personally, so I wouldn't know of anything myself, sorry02:51
*** tonikitoo has quit IRC02:53
*** tonikitoo has joined #maemo02:53
*** ttmrichter has joined #maemo02:57
*** hannesw has quit IRC02:57
*** ttmrichter has quit IRC02:58
*** amr has quit IRC03:00
*** rmt_ has quit IRC03:07
*** eichi has quit IRC03:08
*** nai1sirk has joined #maemo03:11
*** marcoil has quit IRC03:12
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC03:14
*** marcoil has joined #maemo03:15
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo03:32
*** florian has quit IRC03:33
*** lcuk has joined #maemo03:34
*** ljp has quit IRC03:40
*** javispedro has quit IRC03:45
*** skibur has joined #maemo03:47
*** skibur_ has joined #maemo03:48
*** dieb_ has joined #maemo03:51
*** brolin has joined #maemo03:51
*** victorpoluceno has quit IRC03:54
*** abner has quit IRC03:57
*** brolin_ has joined #maemo03:57
*** nai1sirk has quit IRC03:57
*** Luke-Jr has quit IRC04:01
*** radic_ has quit IRC04:10
*** brolin has quit IRC04:14
*** tomdavidson has quit IRC04:14
*** tomdavidson has joined #maemo04:15
*** z4chh has quit IRC04:18
*** erik____ has joined #maemo04:25
erik____hi04:25
erik____I am using OS2008. I have a few "problems" and I thought you could help me04:26
erik____Is it possible to run script from the file manager ?04:26
*** nickar has joined #maemo04:38
*** brolin_ has quit IRC04:43
*** supermaz_ has joined #maemo05:05
*** supermaz has quit IRC05:17
*** xnt14 has quit IRC05:18
*** comhack has joined #maemo05:29
*** Luke-Jr has joined #Maemo05:30
comhackDoes anyone know where the minimalistic theme is located? I have read through pages of forum posts about it but can not find a link to download it. I am running OS 2008. Thanks05:30
comhackI am looking the 2.0 version that is darker. It is by Andrew Black andrewfblack's Avatar05:33
comhackandrewfblack andrewfblack is offline05:33
comhack sorry05:33
qwerty12_N810It's a theme for tmo, not the tablet05:33
comhackahh thanks05:33
comhackthat makes sense05:33
comhackalready using that one on the forums05:34
comhackthanks05:34
comhackwell there is screenshots of it on the tablet though05:34
comhacknevermind I see05:34
comhackthat is the shot of the forum from the nit05:34
comhackthanks alot05:35
*** JoeBrain_ has joined #maemo05:35
*** ljp has joined #maemo05:35
*** trofi has quit IRC05:41
*** trofi has joined #maemo05:42
*** z4chh has joined #maemo05:55
*** pcfe` has joined #maemo06:06
*** b-man16 has joined #maemo06:07
*** Sargun has joined #maemo06:13
*** pcfe has quit IRC06:14
*** jhford has quit IRC06:16
*** b-man16 is now known as lol06:34
*** lol is now known as b-man1606:34
*** keesj has quit IRC06:38
*** b-man16 is now known as Z35776541359170106:54
*** acydlord has joined #maemo06:54
*** tchan has joined #maemo06:56
*** radic has joined #maemo06:57
*** Z357765413591701 is now known as FireFox-06:57
*** azuk` has left #maemo06:58
*** yerga has quit IRC07:02
*** TimRiker has quit IRC07:02
*** yerga has joined #maemo07:02
*** FireFox- is now known as FireFox_sleep07:04
*** febb has joined #maemo07:09
*** FireFox_sleep has quit IRC07:12
*** trofi has quit IRC07:18
*** Firebird has quit IRC07:19
*** skibur has quit IRC07:21
*** Sho_ has quit IRC07:22
*** X-Fade has quit IRC07:30
*** dieb_ is now known as dieb^afk07:33
*** benh has quit IRC07:33
*** dieb^afk has quit IRC07:33
*** benh has joined #maemo07:35
RST38hmoo all07:37
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo07:37
*** thekondor has joined #maemo07:44
*** parsimoniae has quit IRC07:47
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo07:49
*** acydlord has quit IRC07:55
*** macmaN6789 has joined #maemo07:55
*** parsimoniae has quit IRC07:56
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo07:58
*** X-Fade has joined #maemo08:04
*** parsimoniae has quit IRC08:11
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]08:12
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo08:13
*** rkirti is now known as rkirti|away08:18
*** parsimoniae has quit IRC08:24
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo08:25
*** elninja_ has quit IRC08:25
*** JoeBrain_ has quit IRC08:29
vasily_pupkinmoo ^_^08:35
*** elninja has joined #maemo08:41
*** Vulcanis has quit IRC08:42
chxwhat a place irc has became where anyone can just moo his neighbour like that.08:44
chx:P08:44
*** tbf has joined #maemo08:48
*** alexga has joined #maemo08:53
*** zimmerle has quit IRC09:00
*** Wikier has joined #maemo09:03
*** rkirti|away is now known as rkirti09:04
*** disq has quit IRC09:04
*** disq has joined #maemo09:05
talig-awaychx: I suppose you could quak as well ;)09:13
*** talig-away is now known as talig09:13
*** sarower has joined #maemo09:16
sarowerHello all, Good morning!09:17
sarowerI am using the following method to run an application from applet....I want to send some message to the application09:18
sarowerosso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID);09:18
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo09:18
sarowerBut i can not.....How i can do that..?09:18
sarowerany help?09:18
*** jnettlet has joined #maemo09:22
*** febb has quit IRC09:23
*** sisto has joined #maemo09:23
*** vilen has joined #maemo09:25
*** sergio has joined #maemo09:38
*** vivijim1 has joined #maemo09:40
*** trickie has joined #maemo09:40
*** secureendpoints has joined #maemo09:43
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo09:45
*** Interocitor has joined #maemo09:47
*** danielwilms has joined #maemo09:47
*** tbf has quit IRC09:51
*** Vulcanis has joined #maemo09:51
*** StsN810 has joined #Maemo09:54
*** chx has quit IRC09:56
*** cyndis has quit IRC09:57
*** cyndis has joined #maemo09:59
*** sisto has quit IRC10:00
*** alexga has quit IRC10:06
*** vivijim1 has quit IRC10:07
*** vivijim has quit IRC10:08
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC10:09
*** filip42 has joined #maemo10:10
sarowerI am using the following method to run an application from applet....I want to send some message to the application10:11
sarowerosso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID);10:11
sarowerBut i can not.....How i can do that..?10:11
*** rzr has quit IRC10:14
*** Razumihin has joined #maemo10:16
*** __t has quit IRC10:17
aquatixmorning all10:23
danielwilmssarower have you seen the example in the documentation? It's not with the async function, but should help you to get it once running. then you can play around with it :)10:25
*** rmt_ has joined #maemo10:26
danielwilmssarower its chapter 6.9.2 for diablo ;)10:26
*** melmoth has joined #maemo10:26
*** croppa has quit IRC10:27
* RST38h moos evilly10:27
*** rsalveti has quit IRC10:36
*** benh has quit IRC10:37
*** talig has left #maemo10:38
*** StsN810 has quit IRC10:40
*** ab has quit IRC10:40
JaffaMorning, all10:44
*** richieeee72 has joined #maemo10:45
*** richieeee72 has left #maemo10:45
*** geaaru has joined #maemo10:46
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC10:48
*** ab has joined #maemo10:50
*** pr0metoys has joined #maemo10:50
*** jeez_ has quit IRC10:50
*** etrunko has quit IRC10:50
*** lmoura has quit IRC10:50
pr0metoyshi, tried to ask yesterday, but had a bad connection:10:51
pr0metoyshow can I set midori as default browser in diablo10:51
*** StsN810 has joined #Maemo10:52
*** Vudentz has quit IRC10:52
*** tchan has quit IRC10:52
*** krau has quit IRC10:52
*** __t has joined #maemo10:53
*** tchan has joined #maemo10:54
*** AltC has joined #maemo10:54
sarowerdanielwilms: whose chapter...6.9.2?10:56
*** benh has joined #maemo10:56
sarowerdanielwilms : do you have any ref..?10:57
danielwilmssarower of the diablo documentation10:58
saroweroh....10:59
sarowerthank you10:59
danielwilmssarower for fremantle the documentation of this part is not out yet, but AFAIK there no big changes anyway11:00
sarowerdanielwilms: Oh ok.. thanks...11:00
*** calvaris has joined #maemo11:01
Myrttidiscussion about documentation ♥11:01
* Myrtti purrs11:01
*** Summeli has quit IRC11:02
*** erik____ has quit IRC11:02
*** lcuk has quit IRC11:02
*** philv has quit IRC11:02
*** _BuBU has quit IRC11:02
*** guerby has quit IRC11:02
*** else58 has quit IRC11:02
*** coldboot has quit IRC11:02
*** side- has quit IRC11:02
*** tableteer has quit IRC11:02
*** Macer has quit IRC11:02
*** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC11:02
*** pokrKna has quit IRC11:02
*** finn_ has quit IRC11:02
*** script has quit IRC11:02
*** kulve_ has quit IRC11:02
*** nikosapi has quit IRC11:02
*** erik____ has joined #maemo11:02
*** lcuk has joined #maemo11:02
*** GeneralAntilles has joined #maemo11:02
*** philv has joined #maemo11:02
*** _BuBU has joined #maemo11:02
*** guerby has joined #maemo11:02
*** else58 has joined #maemo11:02
*** coldboot has joined #maemo11:02
*** side- has joined #maemo11:02
*** tableteer has joined #maemo11:02
*** Summeli has joined #maemo11:02
*** Macer has joined #maemo11:02
*** pokrKna has joined #maemo11:02
*** finn_ has joined #maemo11:02
*** script has joined #maemo11:02
*** nikosapi has joined #maemo11:02
*** kulve_ has joined #maemo11:02
*** Luke-Jr has quit IRC11:03
*** Luke-Jr has joined #Maemo11:03
sarowerdanielwilms: Do you know how to handle / get the drag event from applet...?11:05
*** pr0metoys has quit IRC11:05
sarowerdanielwilms: it does not get normally... as like normal application11:05
danielwilmssarower...I've done it in python long time ago but I know that there at least the documentation was quite straight forward. hmmm...isn't that mentioned in the docs?? let me have a look11:06
sarowerdanielwilms: in maemo sdk 5 beta.. it is normal.. but maemo sdk 5 beta2 it does not work..!11:07
*** eichi has joined #maemo11:07
danielwilmsahh...it is just a beta2 prob...you should mention that! :)11:08
danielwilmssarower but does the dbus-monitor work??11:08
sarowerdanielwilms: Oh i am sorry..I am seeing the dbus- issue....let me know that..11:09
*** tchan has quit IRC11:09
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo11:09
danielwilmssarower: http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_-_SDK_and_Scratchbox#.22dbus-monitor.22_does_not_work_in_Scratchbox._What_can_I_do.3F11:10
*** pvanhoof has joined #maemo11:10
sarowerdanielwilms:  dbus-monitor --system11:12
sarowerFailed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory11:12
*** tchan has joined #maemo11:13
danielwilmssarower: I've sent you the link how to solve that11:14
*** florian_kc is now known as florian11:14
sarowerdanielwilms: above link?11:15
floriangood morning11:15
*** andre__ has quit IRC11:15
danielwilmssarower yep11:15
danielwilmsflorian: morning :)11:16
sarowerdanielwilms: Thank you11:16
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo11:16
sarowerdanielwilms: Previously it was giving error and after giving the command it is showing something...11:19
sarowerWhat does it mean...?11:19
saroweractually11:19
* RST38h wonders at which point danielwilms will give up =)11:19
danielwilmssarower that it works, actually11:20
sarowerdanielwilms: oh... that means the system is ok... to transfer the message...11:21
sarowerright?11:21
sarowerdanielwilms: seems now the code will work fine... ok?11:22
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: in the fight for more CPAs: http://slexy.org/view/s2CaM1WbDV11:23
*** lbt has joined #maemo11:24
danielwilmssarower ufffff...I don't know your code...at least it has its chance now...I think now (!) is the time where I can't help you any further11:24
danielwilms;)11:25
RST38hThat was pretty quick11:25
sarowerdanielwilms: I am sorry! don't mind!11:25
*** andre__ has joined #maemo11:26
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: oh boy, this gtk.window casting is normal?11:26
sarowerqwerty12_N810: you have given me the source... to run an application. It works fine.. and opens the application. But how i can send message to that application throght this method? Do you know?11:26
sarowerosso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID);11:26
danielwilms:D11:27
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: I'm just using the data pointer given, but nothing stops one using a new Hildon.Window if they wish. The C code actually uses the GTK_* etc macros, pretty much what I'd have to use anyway in C11:27
Stskeepsah11:27
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: can you see any downsides to moving cpas away from control panel and into settings category?11:28
RST38hNext victim.11:28
qwerty12_N810sarower: no, sorry, I don't know11:28
sarowerok11:28
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: How much applets do you wish to have there, ideally? Scrolling through the menu can get tedious at times11:29
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: we do plan to get something more similar to wazd's menu11:30
Stskeepsbut you're right11:31
sarowerqwerty12_N810:  Do you know how to handle / get the drag event from applet...?11:32
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo11:32
*** talig1 has joined #maemo11:32
sarowerqwerty12_N810: it does not get normally... as like normal application11:32
talig1G'day everyone :) Jeremiah - are you around?11:32
sarowerqwerty12_N810: in maemo sdk 5 beta 211:32
*** Vulcanis has quit IRC11:33
qwerty12_N810sarower: Sorry, the only applet stuff I've done is shit control panel ones. And I don't have the Fremantle SDK installed, either way11:33
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: wait, does this turn into a real cpa i just have to drop in?11:33
sarowerqwerty12_N810: Oh ok.. thank you!11:33
*** Free_maN has quit IRC11:34
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: yes, run the command given and you get an so. I'd have liked to have skipped the gcc steps but valac can only seem to make executables directly (and documentation isn't the greatest)11:35
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: ah, that's great11:35
*** eocanha has joined #maemo11:38
*** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo11:42
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: i assume you can't be lured to put it on /Mer/Documentation/Vala_Control_Panel and we'll improve it based on the pasted code?11:43
Stskeepsimprove docs that is11:43
qwerty12_N810Sure. Lol, no, please, improve the code. If anything, I'd learn from it11:43
*** matzenh has quit IRC11:44
*** talig1 has quit IRC11:45
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo11:47
* RST38h moos at VDVsx11:48
VDVsxmorning RST38h :)11:48
*** _BuBU has quit IRC11:53
*** _BuBU has joined #Maemo11:53
*** zap has joined #maemo11:54
*** hellwolf-n810 has quit IRC11:56
*** hellwolf has joined #maemo11:56
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo11:58
*** torkiano has joined #maemo12:02
*** hannesw has joined #maemo12:05
*** talig has joined #maemo12:06
taligDoes anyone have a clue what could be wrong with my .desktop or .service that when I click the icon -it claims it's starting the application but then does nothing? :(12:13
taligWorks fine from xterm...12:13
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: done12:13
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: much appreciated12:14
qwerty12_N810talig: your service correctly references the program to run, is named correctly, is in the right place, and your desktop file has the X-Osso-Service reference correct?12:15
* Stskeeps passes qwerty12_N810 a debconf cookie12:15
* qwerty12_N810 munches12:16
qwerty12_N810Thanks!12:16
taligqwerty12_N810: As far as I can tell. program to run is privacy_app, .desktop file is named the same .desktop, .service file is com.nokia.privacy_app.service12:16
Stskeepsslexy pastes won't expire?12:16
taligqwerty12_N810: .desktop references the latter (with the X-Osso-Service), and is in /usr/share/applications/hildon12:17
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: nope. Of course, I'd prefer it to be in the article itself but like I say: maemo.org wiki sucks by not understanding <source.12:17
taligqwerty12_N810: and .service file is in /usr/share/dbus-1/services12:17
taligWhat am I missing?12:17
RST38htalig: You are probably listing your app as a service but do not implement a dbus service12:17
RST38htalig: Am I correct?12:17
taligRST38h: Interesting concept. What do I need to do to implement it? I tried without the service, btw, doesn't work either.12:18
RST38hOk, let us do it the easy way first12:18
RST38hA moment12:18
taligRST38h: Easy is good :)12:19
qwerty12_N810talig: Don't use "com.nokia." - I've seen it frowned upon and it just causes confusion. "com.talig.pyprivacy" is acceptable12:19
taligqwerty12_N810: I'm not really using com.nokia, but I'm not in liberty to divulge what I am :P12:19
qwerty12_N810Ah :P12:19
RST38hqwerty: I do not think he is using anything12:20
taligassume it's com.talig.privacy_app for all purpuses.12:20
taligRST38h:  I'm a "she".12:20
RST38htalig: Ah, ok =)12:21
RST38htalig: I need a few more moments to find the appropriate tutorial12:21
taligRST38h: Take your time, and thanks for helping out!12:22
RST38htalig: Go to your desktop file and remove the X-Osso-Service line12:22
taligRST38h: I'll do it, but I've tried that before...12:22
RST38htalig: Make sure you have the Exec= line pointing to wherever your executable is12:23
RST38htalig: Do you have it?12:23
taligRST38h: Do I have what? [Yep, all done]12:23
RST38hDo you have the Exec= line? Does it point ot your executable file?12:24
taligSure12:24
RST38hDo you have both the desktop file and the executable installed on the device?12:24
taligYup12:25
RST38hOn the device, run update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications12:25
RST38hAfter it finishes, try clicking onto your app icon12:25
sampppawhat is the height of status/title area in fremantle application?12:26
talignothing12:28
RST38htalig: All right. Try running your application form the command line. Does it run?12:28
taligRST38h:  yes, I already mentioned that it works from the xTerm12:29
taligoh, wait...12:29
RST38hcrashy crashy? =)12:29
*** ignacius has joined #maemo12:29
taligRST38h:  No, just wouldn't call it from inside /usr/share/applications/hildon12:30
taligwhen I go back to /user/home its fine12:30
RST38hSorry?12:30
RST38hSo, are you reading some config file from the current working directory and crashing when it is not found?12:30
taligRST38h:  I chdir'd to /usr/share/applications to make the adjustments. Had to chdir back to ~12:30
taligRST38h: I'm not crashing.12:30
RST38hHere is your first problem then12:30
taligall of my files are in /usr/bin12:31
RST38hYou cannot guarantee that Hildon Desktop will start your app from ~12:31
taligRST38h: Accepted.12:31
taligRST38h: How do I fix it?12:31
RST38htalig: Wherever you open a config file, open it with the full path12:32
taligRST38h: It's not a config file that it doesn't find, it's the accessory .py scripts.12:32
RST38htalig: Then you should open those by their full path12:32
taligok12:32
RST38hOr install them somehwere where Python can find them12:33
RST38hNote that I may not be your best bet when Python is concerned: using C/C++ here12:33
qwerty12_N810os.chdir(os.path.expanduser("~")) - who's gonna shoot me for suggesting that dirtiness12:34
RST38hprolly not a good idea12:34
RST38hBetter do it right12:34
qwerty12_N810Mmm, agreed12:35
taligRST38h: It's ok, you were right, it works now.12:35
Stskeepsgetenv("HOME")?12:35
taligRST38h:  I'll try to get it to use the service now... or no point?12:35
RST38htalig: If you want to have a nice "Loading xxx" bubble, then do try12:35
RST38htalig: Otherwise, just screw it for now12:36
taligRST38h: Great! Thanks a bundle!!! :)12:36
RST38hYou're welcome.12:36
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo12:36
*** sarower has quit IRC13:05
torkianohello all,  where can I see the version of apps included in each version of maemo ?13:05
torkiano(the GTK+ versions, for example)13:06
*** amr has joined #maemo13:07
*** ssvb has quit IRC13:10
_berto_torkiano: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/13:15
*** talig has quit IRC13:16
andre__torkiano, i normally use http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1/4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html and http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta2/beta_vs_beta2_content_comparison.html13:17
*** pcfe` is now known as pcfe13:17
*** talig has joined #maemo13:18
torkiano_berto_, andre__ thank you13:18
_berto_you're welcome13:19
*** sarower_ has joined #maemo13:20
sarower_Is it possible to send message through D-bus service from normal application to applet?13:21
sarower_any idea?13:21
*** murrayc has joined #maemo13:29
*** sopi has joined #maemo13:29
*** Sargun has quit IRC13:30
*** bergie has joined #maemo13:31
*** Interocitor has quit IRC13:31
*** hendry has joined #maemo13:32
hendryhow can i tell if I'm running the latest firmware on a N810?13:33
rmt_Ever flashed your device?  If not, you probably don't .. (but no, I don't know how to tell)13:34
rmt_Backup, Reflash, install bootmenu.13:34
rmt_sarower_, If the applet is listening, then yes.13:35
rmt_sarower_, I *think* you have to look in /etc/dbus*/system.d to see what events there are .. but I'm no dbus expert13:36
*** bilboed-pi has quit IRC13:36
*** simboss1 has joined #maemo13:37
*** yigal has joined #maemo13:38
*** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo13:39
*** baraujo has joined #maemo13:40
sarower_rmt_: Listening by socket?13:40
hendryi have "Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown"13:41
hendryi wonder if RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin would give me a more uptodate kernel?13:41
rmt_sarower_, Listening for dbus events .. ie. you have to call it through Dbus, not directly.13:41
sarower_yah....13:41
*** dieb_ has joined #maemo13:41
*** JoeBrain has joined #maemo13:42
murraycDoes anyone know where the svn (or git) is for maemo fremantle's GTK+?13:43
murraycThis doesn't seem to be it:13:43
murraychttps://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/gtk%2B/?root=maemo&pathrev=962613:43
*** lbt_ has joined #maemo13:44
Stskeepsmurrayc: it might be in tags, but that URL is where i normally see development13:44
*** Sargun has joined #maemo13:45
*** tobmaster has joined #maemo13:46
Passelihow do i enable network access in scratchbox ?13:46
*** timeless_mbp has quit IRC13:46
danielwilmsPasseli what is the problem exactly?13:47
danielwilmsany error messages?13:48
Passelimy browser application cannot load web pages13:48
VDVsxhendry, what firmware version do you have ?13:48
hendryVDVsx: I don't know how to find this out yet, much to my annoyance13:49
VDVsxhendry, control panel -> about product13:50
hendryVDVsx: is Version: 4.2008.23-14 uptodate?13:50
danielwilmsPasseli which sdk and which browser??13:50
VDVsxhendry, last one is 5.2008.43-713:51
hendryVDVsx: ok, so I can't update to this without flashing it right? with RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?13:51
Passelidanielwilms: diablo and Qt 4.5 Webkit based browser13:52
VDVsxhendry, yes13:52
*** lizardo has joined #maemo13:52
VDVsxhendry, my recomendation is a backup of your files and flash the device :)13:53
danielwilmsPasseli but doesn't the internet work at all?? wget/apt don't work either??13:53
hendryVDVsx: ok, thanks. Hmm, my usual USB cable isn't fitting into the N810. Argh. :/13:55
*** LinuxCode has joined #maemo13:55
VDVsxhendry, you need a orginal cable :P, a mini usb don't fitt :)13:56
*** timelys has joined #maemo13:58
Passelidanielwilms: those works13:58
Passelidanielwilms: QMaemoInternetConnectivity has received an error message.14:00
PasseliName:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown"14:00
PasseliMessage:  "The name com.nokia.icd was not provided by any .service files"14:00
*** yigal has left #maemo14:00
danielwilmsPasseli but then it is not really the issue that the internet connection doesn't work...i think the name is "com.nokia.icd_ui"14:03
*** Pyrhos has joined #maemo14:03
*** lbt_ has quit IRC14:06
timelysAndre, sing14:07
Passelidanielwilms: it seems that dns does not work14:07
andre__timelys, song14:07
danielwilmsPasseli you could try this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_-_SDK_and_Scratchbox#Why_can_I_reach_an_IP-address_but_no_domain_inside_Scratchbox.3F14:08
Passelidanielwilms: those did not work, but i added to the /etc/resolv.conf file inside scrathcbox same nameserver as i have in host (desktop)14:14
Passelidanielwilms: now dns works14:14
danielwilmsPasseli ok, good14:15
taligRST38h: My application is a statusIcon thingy, but after I minimize it, I can't restore it. [i.e. icon is still there, program is still running, but I can't restore the window]14:19
*** wazd_n800 has joined #maemo14:26
taligAnyone familiar with status icon -gtk-hildon apps?14:27
*** lcuk2 has joined #maemo14:27
timelysXchat has one!14:28
wazd_n800heya maemo14:29
*** lcuk has quit IRC14:33
*** greentux has joined #maemo14:36
*** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo14:38
*** ssvb has joined #maemo14:41
*** danielwilms has quit IRC14:42
*** bilboed-pi has quit IRC14:42
*** danielwilms has joined #maemo14:42
*** bilboed-pi has joined #maemo14:44
*** krutt has joined #maemo14:44
rmt_Hmm - is there any way to stop the standard SIP client from automatically registering on connect?14:45
rmt_Since it's unencrypted, I'd feel better not sharing my username/password14:45
*** Pyrhos has quit IRC14:48
*** tobmaster has quit IRC14:50
*** wazd_n800 has quit IRC14:51
*** talig has quit IRC14:52
*** alehorst has joined #maemo14:52
*** JoeBrain is now known as JoeSleeps14:54
*** greentux has quit IRC14:55
*** beavis has quit IRC14:56
*** halves has joined #maemo14:56
*** JoeSleeps has quit IRC14:56
*** sarower_ has quit IRC14:57
*** uzzed has joined #maemo15:03
*** eichi has quit IRC15:04
*** gomiam has joined #maemo15:06
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: you have your tear+webkit packaging anywhere yet?15:11
qwerty12_N810Bundyo hasn't updated his WebKit diff yet15:11
Stskeepsalright15:11
*** jukey has joined #maemo15:12
*** talig has joined #maemo15:13
*** talig has quit IRC15:17
*** tonikitoo has quit IRC15:18
*** uzzed is now known as sapozzed15:19
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s15:20
JaffaVDVsx: ping15:21
VDVsxJaffa, pong15:22
aquatixspeaking of tear, does it have a way of opening a uri from the cli?15:22
aquatixi want to config claws-mail to do so15:23
JaffaVDVsx: I had a look yesterday, but do you know off the top of your head how many slots there are for community speakers at the summit?15:23
*** bergie has quit IRC15:24
VDVsxJaffa, 13 for each track, let me confirm15:24
JaffaVDVsx: Friday: ~9, Saturday: ~3*9, Sunday: ~10 by my count at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule15:24
VDVsxJaffa, friday is the nokia day, so we don't have slots there :)15:25
JaffaAh, OK15:25
VDVsxand also some of the community slots are already assigne to nokians15:26
* Jaffa nods15:26
JaffaAnd some people will be doing double shifts.15:26
VDVsxtrue15:26
*** florian has quit IRC15:28
VDVsxJaffa, speakers requesting sponsorship will be around 10~15, I guess15:29
VDVsxJaffa, if you want I can cross this information and add it to a wiki page, if this will help you and the other deciding sponsorship15:30
*** talig has joined #maemo15:33
JaffaVDVsx: Where'd you get that figure? Just a guess?15:33
*** secureendpoints_ has joined #maemo15:34
*** secureendpoints has quit IRC15:34
VDVsxJaffa, yes :P, just a guess plus the people that already have talks accepted and  has requested sponsorship already15:35
*** secureendpoints_ is now known as secureendpoints15:35
JaffaVDVsx: OK, thanks15:35
JaffaVDVsx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=307196#post307196 is the reason :-)15:35
*** tbf has joined #maemo15:35
*** florian has joined #maemo15:38
*** fiferboy has joined #maemo15:38
*** lcuk2 has quit IRC15:43
*** Firebird has joined #maemo15:47
*** lcuk has joined #maemo15:47
*** StsN810 has quit IRC15:50
*** benh has quit IRC15:55
*** tbf has quit IRC15:57
*** bergie has joined #maemo16:01
*** Ryback_ has joined #maemo16:01
*** Free_maN has quit IRC16:02
*** Wikier has quit IRC16:04
*** lcuk2 has joined #maemo16:08
*** tbf has joined #maemo16:08
*** greentux has joined #maemo16:09
*** tonikitoo has joined #maemo16:11
*** gomiam has quit IRC16:12
*** lcuk2 has quit IRC16:12
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo16:12
*** filip42 has quit IRC16:14
lbtJaffa: 2 or 3 of us won a sponsored trip to the summit at the Danish weekend. You may want to check what budget that comes out of. Hopefully not the Summit budget.16:18
*** hendry has left #maemo16:19
X-Fadelbt: Those people were pretty likely to be sponsored anyway? :)16:20
* lbt nods16:20
*** dieb_ has quit IRC16:21
lbtThey aren't mentioned in the list on tmo so just noting that there's a +316:21
RST38hJaffa: Should I apply for sponsorship and come up with a talk? Or is the schedule full already?16:22
coldbootfiferboy: I finally got 4.5.0 compiling, and it's been sent out to our devices.16:26
fiferboycoldboot: Excellent!  Everything is flicker-free now?16:26
coldbootfiferboy: Yep.16:26
fiferboyVery cool16:26
coldbootyeah16:26
fiferboyDoes anyone have a guess what "top 25" and "top 50" of karma would look like?16:27
fiferboyIs there any way to look at karma rankings?16:28
X-Fadefiferboy: maemo.org/profile/list/16:28
fiferboyX-Fade: Thanks!16:29
fiferboyWow, there is some big karma up there!16:29
*** eocanha has quit IRC16:30
X-FadeYes, there are some big numbers ;)16:31
*** eocanha has joined #maemo16:32
*** Luke-Jr has quit IRC16:33
*** greentux has quit IRC16:33
*** disqk has joined #maemo16:35
*** Shadow_M has joined #maemo16:36
*** stv0 has joined #maemo16:36
*** stv0 has left #maemo16:36
*** disq has quit IRC16:38
*** abner has joined #maemo16:41
*** alex-weej has joined #maemo16:43
*** javispedro has joined #maemo16:44
*** greentux has joined #maemo16:48
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]16:51
taligHey fiferboy, how's it going?16:53
fiferboyGood, talig.  And you?16:53
taligfiferboy: Doing my best :)16:54
fiferboytalig: How's the app?16:54
taligfiferboy: Slowly progressing. I don't know what I changed but not I have an ugly icon on the left side, which allows me to restore after minimization (the packaging thing is a bust for now, but Jeremiah is helping me out :) )16:55
taligfiferboy: Now I'm wondering how I could customize the icon on the left16:56
fiferboytalig: So the minimize/restore works, as well as showing and hiding with the statusbar?16:56
taligshowing and hiding with the statusicon doesn't work, and according to recent thread here: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimal-battery-life-considerations-in-apps-td3228133.html16:56
fiferboytalig: Make sure the icon you install is in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/hildon and that you do a "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" in your postinst script16:57
*** raulherbster has joined #maemo16:57
taligI have to conclude it's not my fault :)16:57
*** hannesw has quit IRC16:57
taligfifer: I have no installation script, so no postinst either...16:57
*** hannesw has joined #maemo16:57
fiferboytalig: Try running that command as root and see if your icon looks better16:58
taligfiferboy: i run it as root16:58
fiferboytalig: Assuming your icons are located in /usr/share/icons/hicolor somewhere16:58
*** StsN810 has joined #Maemo16:59
*** brankinhu has joined #maemo17:00
*** matt_c has joined #maemo17:00
taligfiferboy: why would it look for the icons there?17:01
fiferboytalig: That is the folder that it caches and uses for icons17:02
fiferboytalig: I think you can also install your icons to a different location, but you have to specify the full path in your desktop file17:02
*** rkirti has quit IRC17:03
JaffaRST38h: The schedule isn't full. And the best way to get sponsorship - and I'd argue strongly for this over anything else - is to be running a session17:04
Jaffalbt: Who did you "win" them from, OOI?17:04
taligfiferboy: I see. But in the Extras (where I can run it from) I see the custom icon.17:05
taligfiferboy: why doesn't it apply to the left-side taskbar17:05
fiferboytalig: How do you specify the icon in the dekstop file?  The full path?17:06
taligfiferboy: nope, just file name, no extension17:06
fiferboytalig: Do you specify X-Window_icon in the desktop file?17:07
*** rkirti has joined #maemo17:07
fiferboy~s/X-Window_icon/X-Window-Icon17:08
*** disqk is now known as disq17:08
RST38hJaffa: How long is a session?17:09
*** ignacius has quit IRC17:09
taligfiferboy: nope. If that's what I need - what's the syntax17:10
fiferboytalig: X-Window-Icon=icon_name17:11
fiferboytalig: It shouldn't really be necessary, but you can see if it helps17:11
JaffaRST38h: 30 mins, I believe. VDVsx is on the content committee17:11
taligfiferboy: I'd rather not.17:11
taligfiferboy: It's not mentioned here:http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format17:12
fiferboytalig: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node7.html#SECTION0079110000000000000017:13
taligfiferboy: Doens't mention X-Window-Icon there either.17:13
VDVsxJaffa, RST38h , 25 min for normal sessions, 5 min for LT17:13
fiferboytalig: In "Other commonly used fields"17:13
fiferboytalig: Just below17:13
taligfiferboy: great, but I have the Icon field.17:14
fiferboytalig: Which works for your menu icon, but not for the taskbar17:14
fiferboytalig: It seems your program itself doesn't have an icon associtated with it.  The "Icon" field just works for the desktop file17:15
*** dieb_ has joined #maemo17:17
taligfiferboy: I can accept that, but I don't think that adding the X-Windows-Icon will fix it. I better figure out how to associate an icon with my program17:17
fiferboytalig: Try gtk_window_set_icon17:21
taligfiferboy: Hildon window...17:21
taligfiferboy: Will that work for a hildon window as well?17:21
fiferboytalig: Yes, hildon window inherits gtk window17:22
taligfiferboy: Okidoki, trying17:22
fiferboytalig: You just pass your hildon window in the gtk_window_set_icon call17:22
taligfiferboy: self.window.set_icon won't do?17:26
*** parsimoniae has quit IRC17:26
taligfiferboy: I'm writing python17:26
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo17:27
fiferboytalig: Ah, python.  Yes, that should do I think17:27
taligok., trying17:27
taligbrb17:27
*** parsimoniae has quit IRC17:27
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo17:28
*** rkirti has quit IRC17:28
*** sopi has quit IRC17:30
*** rkirti has joined #maemo17:32
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s17:32
*** talig has quit IRC17:33
*** Sargun has quit IRC17:36
*** sneakret has quit IRC17:38
*** sneakret has joined #maemo17:38
*** bergie has quit IRC17:42
*** secureendpoints has quit IRC17:42
*** bilboed has joined #maemo17:44
*** dieb_ has quit IRC17:44
*** talig has joined #maemo17:46
*** bilboed has quit IRC17:46
*** rkirti has quit IRC17:47
*** raulherbster has left #maemo17:47
*** rkirti has joined #maemo17:47
*** sneakret has quit IRC17:48
*** LinuxCode has quit IRC17:50
*** n_gd1 has joined #maemo17:55
*** drjnut has quit IRC17:55
*** drjnut has joined #maemo17:56
*** danielwilms has quit IRC18:04
*** nickar has joined #maemo18:11
*** jeez_ has joined #maemo18:12
*** Vudentz has joined #maemo18:13
*** nickar has quit IRC18:13
*** nai1sirk has joined #maemo18:14
*** zap has quit IRC18:16
*** joelmaher_ has joined #maemo18:19
*** Pyrhos has joined #maemo18:21
*** Luke-Jr has joined #Maemo18:22
RST38h????????????? ??????? ?? ???????18:22
Stskeeps?18:22
RST38hSorry, wrong paste18:22
RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5324542/creative-zii-egg-plaszma-android+wielding-ipod-touch18:22
RST38hHere, feed18:22
*** gomiam has joined #maemo18:23
RST38hSts: You may especially like this one18:23
*** gomiam has quit IRC18:23
*** chenca has joined #maemo18:24
*** qwerty12_N810 has quit IRC18:25
*** qwerty12_N810 has joined #maemo18:25
Stskeepsthat's a shitty resolution..18:25
*** qwerty12_N810 has quit IRC18:25
RST38hTrue18:25
Stskeepsalso it looks like yet another locked down android thing18:26
*** joelmaher has quit IRC18:26
*** qwerty12_N810 has joined #maemo18:26
RST38hSts: I wonder when they get sued by Apple and for how much though18:27
*** n_gd1 has left #maemo18:29
*** AndrewFBlack has joined #Maemo18:31
*** dieb_ has joined #maemo18:31
*** vilen has quit IRC18:32
*** briglia has joined #maemo18:33
*** nelson has quit IRC18:33
*** Vudentz has quit IRC18:36
*** kabtoffe has quit IRC18:38
*** talig has quit IRC18:38
andre__"...from many countries and the Netherlands too" is a great sentence in the wiki. :-D18:38
*** nickar has joined #maemo18:38
*** alex-weej has quit IRC18:39
*** vilen has joined #maemo18:39
*** kabtoffe has joined #maemo18:41
*** talig has joined #maemo18:42
*** trickie has quit IRC18:43
*** nickar has quit IRC18:49
*** qwerty12_N810 has quit IRC18:55
*** qwerty12_N810 has joined #maemo18:57
VDVsxandre__, Netherlands is special :P18:59
*** thekondor has quit IRC19:00
*** jukey has left #maemo19:01
*** luck_laptop has joined #maemo19:06
rmt_VDVsx: GGGGG19:06
* rmt_ just spat all over VDVsx19:06
*** __t has quit IRC19:06
*** qwerty12_N810 has quit IRC19:07
* VDVsx gets the machine gun and fire 1000 bullets against rmt_ :P19:08
rmt_G! G! G! G!19:08
*** Sargun has joined #maemo19:10
*** talig has left #maemo19:13
VDVsxrmt_, no hard feelings, I like Netherlands, I've some good friends there :)19:14
rmt_Me too.19:14
rmt_I worked with dutch - saved money on showering of a morning.\19:15
lcukthats a pretty big brush to stroke19:15
lcukim sure not ALL the dutch folks are smelly19:15
javispedrothe apple tablet is not even out and random blogs are already saying it'll "help save the slumping music industry"19:15
lcukfuck the music industry, i want it hacked and at my house pdq19:16
javispedrowtf has a tablet with the "music industry"?19:16
lcuki hope they add a wall hanger to it19:16
javispedrospecially a 10'' tablet19:16
lcukitunes19:16
lcukalbum art19:16
javispedrothe beattles19:16
lcuksomeone will make a realistic LP simulation ;)19:17
javispedros/beattles/beatles19:17
javispedro~burn sed19:17
lcukwith scratching capabilities19:17
* infobot pours gasoline all over sed, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze19:17
*** johnxx has quit IRC19:18
rmt_lcuk, No - I'm referring to the gutterals of the dutch language spraying me with water of a morning. ;)19:18
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo19:18
*** StsN810 has quit IRC19:18
*** johnx has joined #maemo19:18
javispedro“It’s all about re-creating the heyday of the album when you would sit around with your friends looking at the artwork, while you listened to the music,”19:19
VDVsxjavispedro, a 10'' tablet for $800 :P19:20
javispedrowith laptop speakers attached to a 10'' tablet filled with fingerprints19:20
VDVsxyou can buy two netbooks for the same price, lol19:20
erik____the point with fingerprint is to know who listen to the music so that you can charge them19:20
*** greentux has quit IRC19:21
*** k-s is now known as k-s[AWAY]19:22
*** setanta has joined #maemo19:23
*** filip42 has joined #maemo19:23
*** Free_maN has quit IRC19:25
*** zimmerle has joined #maemo19:25
lcukrmt_, i think thats actually worse19:25
*** StsN810 has joined #Maemo19:25
*** etrunko has joined #maemo19:25
* lcuk throws up in his mouth19:25
jeremiahlcuk: yuck19:26
*** lmoura has joined #maemo19:27
*** __t has joined #maemo19:27
*** promulo has quit IRC19:28
VDVsxlcuk, yeah, dutch isn't a very nice language to hear, but in the other hand dutch girls are very pretty ;)19:31
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo19:36
*** Vudentz has joined #maemo19:37
rmt_VDVsx, Many are.. and many others look like they're related to half the people in town.. The netherlands was a bunch of small islands for far too long. I think I prefer well invaded lands for the girls. :)19:38
*** luiz__ has joined #maemo19:38
rmt_So offence intended to the dutch.. The same could be said about many other countries too. :)19:39
rmt_No19:39
GeneralAntilleslol19:41
*** hugopl has joined #maemo19:41
*** zimmerle_ has joined #maemo19:41
*** zimmerle_ has quit IRC19:42
*** zimmerle_ has joined #maemo19:43
*** melmoth has quit IRC19:43
*** zimmerle has quit IRC19:45
*** renato has joined #maemo19:47
*** luiz__ has quit IRC19:48
lbtI have found a wonderful technique for encouraging our pets to be affectionate19:50
lbtStockholm Syndrome19:50
RST38hlbt: stuffing them in adorable poses?19:50
rmt_lbt - Works the same for kids too, I hear. :)19:51
mavhcfear leads to anger19:52
*** robink has quit IRC19:52
*** robink has joined #maemo19:52
*** ijon_1 has quit IRC19:54
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo19:57
*** johnx has quit IRC19:58
*** johnxx has joined #maemo19:58
RST38hmavhc: Initially, yes, until the victim is made to understand its own helplesness19:59
mavhcanger leads to hate20:01
RST38halso initially20:02
*** calvaris has quit IRC20:02
Myrttifear is the mindkiller20:02
javispedrohate leads to windows mobile?20:02
GeneralAntillesThese days I think it's Android. :P20:02
rmt_hate leads to a caffeine addiction20:02
rmt_a caffeine addiction leads to a programmer with wacky ideas about how to raise pets20:03
RST38hGeneral: Not S60? =)20:03
* RST38h is surprised20:03
*** jhford has joined #maemo20:04
lbtwhere have we had success in Maemo being opened?20:05
lcuklbt, you get arrested for bein too affectionate with your pets20:08
lbtmy fluffy wuvs me20:08
GeneralAntillesmetaphysical abuse20:09
*** slonopotamus_ has joined #maemo20:09
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC20:11
*** rzr has joined #maemo20:11
javispedroI think metaphysical abusers prefer the term "love"20:13
*** greentux has joined #maemo20:14
* javispedro wonders if Diablo may see a Flash SSU now with all that recent noise about some the-world-is-going-to-end vulnerability20:17
RST38hno.20:18
*** lardman has joined #maemo20:18
javispedrothey already stopped even security bugfixes?20:18
lardmanmorning all20:18
*** johnsq has joined #maemo20:19
RST38hwhat security bugfixes?20:19
johnsqHi20:19
RST38hheya lardman20:19
javispedrohi20:19
lardmanhey chaps20:19
javispedroRST38h, http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa09-03.html20:19
RST38hjavispedro: and? =)20:19
javispedroslashdot says it's being "actively exploited"20:20
mavhche's saying there were never any security bugfixes from nokia, I assume20:21
wirelessdreamerMyrtti: Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration20:21
RST38hjavispedro: you can fix it by buying n9x020:21
RST38hwhen it is released that is20:21
*** murrayc has quit IRC20:23
*** tbf has quit IRC20:23
*** trofi has joined #maemo20:23
*** LinuxCode has joined #maemo20:23
lardmanJaffa: ping20:24
*** stv0 has joined #maemo20:24
andre__javispedro, can you file a bug in bugs.maemo.org about CVE-2009-1862 ?20:25
andre__the adobe thingy20:25
* lcuk goes to christmas party \o20:25
*** eocanha has quit IRC20:25
lcukbbl20:25
andre__christmas?!20:26
javispedroandre__, why not? do i have to do anything or just putting the adobe advisory url there will suffice?20:26
lcukyes andre__ :) christmas..20:26
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo20:26
*** eichi has joined #maemo20:26
lardmanhi & bye lcuk20:26
RST38hjavispedro: Whatever you file, they will mark it as fixed-in-fremantle20:26
lcukfile it directly at adobe20:27
*** sergio has quit IRC20:27
lcukhi simon \o20:27
lcukcya later20:27
VDVsxlcuk, is he/she British ? :P20:27
lcukyes, its also a haloween/bonfire/easter party :|20:27
*** stv0 has left #maemo20:28
andre__javispedro, just give me that link and file it against browser/plugins. thanks in advance20:28
RST38hjavispedro: Unless of course it is a MicroB bug, in which case it will be marked wont-fix20:28
VDVsxlcuk, 0:20:28
andre__RST38h, "they" might be me, being that messenger...20:28
RST38handre: Possibly, yes20:28
andre__but at least i want Nokia's potential Diablo update failure be correctly documented by having some public proof that they suck somtimes20:29
RST38handre: But it really does not matter who marks it wont-fix, so I have no personal negative feeling against you :)20:29
javispedronow that's a good plan20:29
andre__...plus: I still want to try :-P20:29
*** qwerty12_N810 has joined #maemo20:29
andre__RST38h: sure, no problem, we can still have a one-on-one fight at maemo summit ;-))20:29
andre__jk20:30
RST38handre: In the Ring of Death, yessss20:30
andre__aight!20:30
javispedroand I remember reading someone somewhere (sometime, maybe in 2008, so don't trust me) that "emergency" security bugfixes might get backported to diablo20:30
*** madhav has joined #maemo20:31
javispedrounfortunately ;) I doubt this advisory is an "emergency", considering most exploits are going to be x8620:31
Myrttiremember kids, you're allowed to use only 770's as beating bludges20:31
Myrttino n8x0s!20:31
RST38hjavispedro: Flash plugin is not officially maintained by Nokia20:31
RST38hjavispedro: So no bugfixes to it20:31
RST38hjavispedro: See the gettimeofday() bug for reference20:32
andre__hey, an exploit script for the n8x0 attached to that bugreport is welcome ;-)) (just kidding)20:32
VDVsxMyrtti, can I use a 3210 ? :)20:32
andre__RST38h,  gettimeofday() ? which one is that?20:32
MyrttiVDVsx: classic or the old one?20:32
RST38handre: Multiple copies of embedded Flash hanging the tablet20:32
VDVsxMyrtti, old one of course, is rock solid :)20:32
* Myrtti considers20:33
Myrttimmm yes20:33
RST38handre: the one where timeless first made me collect a shitload of debug data then the bug got closed for "no additional data"20:33
*** StsN810 has quit IRC20:33
VDVsxthat guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3210 :)20:33
VDVsxwow, 40 ringtones by default , lol20:34
*** t0h has quit IRC20:34
*** t0h has joined #maemo20:34
RST38handre: Funny thing is, at that point I actually figured out what was going on and even found a few similar bug reports on the net and a "fix" by Redhat to their kernel20:34
Myrttigosh I loved that phone. I had several covers for it20:34
*** greentux has quit IRC20:34
Myrttiblue, yellow and dragon ones...20:35
Myrtti*sigh*20:35
* Myrtti feels old20:35
*** xnt14 has joined #maemo20:35
*** geaaru has quit IRC20:35
VDVsxMyrtti, my first phone and still works :P20:35
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC20:36
MyrttiVDVsx: I gave my mum a 3110 classic last christmas to replace the one she used20:37
mavhcdragon, the 8th colour of the rainbow20:37
RST38hMyrtti: You are only old if you got to use the original Motorola brick20:37
RST38h3210 does not qualify20:37
Myrttishe used 3210 for three years after finally ditching the high tech 1631 that could not only receive, but *send* SMS's20:37
javispedro"Hackers exploiting a newfound flaw in Adobe Flash video player and Acrobat Reader can steal data and take money from bank accounts, online security experts say. " Now that would be a good preface20:38
Myrttino, not 163120:38
Myrtti106320:38
mavhchow's gnash coming along?20:38
MyrttiRST38h: does it count I put the quick call numbers on my dads NMT 450, 900 and later GSM Motorolas?20:38
VDVsxRST38h, what is motorola brick number/model ?20:39
RST38hMyrtti: Definitely, but only if you did so in a location where NMT 450 is no longer used20:39
Myrttiwell, he had GSM motorola for a short while and returned it for NMT90020:39
RST38hVDVsx: MicroTac I think20:39
*** vivijim has joined #maemo20:40
MyrttiMicroTac ♥20:40
Myrttithe flip was lovely20:40
*** madhav has quit IRC20:40
mavhcI can't get a new phone as the one with the same/better features is too much just to fix the small problems I have20:40
*** madhav has joined #maemo20:40
VDVsxRST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_MicroTAC OMG20:40
RST38hVDVsx: The first commercially available one was Moto DynaTAC20:41
Myrttioh gosh, the nostalgy20:41
VDVsxyou need large pockets for that one :P20:41
* RST38h had StarTAC for a while, nice phone20:41
RST38hIt was the RAZR+iPhone of its time...20:41
* RST38h also had one of the first WAP-enabled phones20:41
Myrtti7110? ewwee20:42
Myrtti:-D20:42
RST38hnope20:42
andre__javispedro, "execute arbitrary code via (1) a crafted Flash application in a .pdf file or (2) a crafted .swf file, related to authplay.dll"20:42
andre__hmm, i wonder if that's possible on the N8x020:42
javispedroi am searching for the .swf file20:42
andre__anybody ever seen a PDF with an embedded swf file? shrug20:42
*** stv01 has joined #maemo20:42
javispedroi do have the pdf but not the tool to extract it :P20:42
*** stv01 has left #maemo20:42
VDVsxnever saw those motorola's here, probably I'm too young20:43
*** AndrewFBlack has quit IRC20:43
*** rkirti is now known as rkirti|brb20:43
RST38hVDVsx: These are all analog phones, widespread in the States at the time20:44
* VDVsx only remembers old phone from nokia, alcatel and eriksson20:45
* mavhc imagines analog cell phones to have rotary dialing20:45
RST38hNokia 3650 ALMOST had rotary dialing20:46
* RST38h even got used to it, but apparently other users haven't, so Nokia replaced it with 366020:46
mavhcdid it have an extra large 5?20:47
*** wazd_n800 has joined #maemo20:47
RST38hmavhc: had little bumps on a few buttons20:47
*** florian has quit IRC20:47
* RST38h also got to use and develop for 7650, the first Nokia's S60 phone20:48
*** k-s[AWAY] is now known as k-s20:48
VDVsxRST38h, the keys were very small (3650)20:48
*** madhav has quit IRC20:48
RST38h7650 was the N95 of the time, as clumsy and overhyped :)20:48
mavhcsee http://www.trashbat.co.ck/20:48
RST38hVDVsx: they really felt ok, although the arrangement was weird :)20:49
mavhchttp://www.trashbat.co.ck/t12/index.html20:49
Myrttiooooo my mums phone http://www.cellink.com.au/products/images/nokia_1610.jpg20:49
Myrttiused that more than once to bludgeon fishes20:50
Myrttifaster kill, tender meat20:50
Myrtti:-D20:50
VDVsxlol20:51
*** zimmerle_ has quit IRC20:51
Myrttiyou could indeed also *send* sms's with 1631 and not just receive20:52
Myrttitoo bad all the letters were in caps20:52
Myrttitook about six months for her to learn to not use caps20:52
*** ssvb has quit IRC20:53
RST38hsome people never learn not to use caps20:54
Jaffalardman: pong20:55
*** Weeman has joined #maemo20:56
*** kozak has joined #maemo20:57
*** krau has joined #maemo20:57
wazd_n800remoo maemo20:59
*** simboss1 has quit IRC20:59
lardmanJaffa: was just wondering about the compatibility of your artistic licence and the GPL20:59
xnt14%runcmd moo20:59
xnt14moo20:59
xnt14hahaha20:59
lardmanJaffa: as the wiimote stuff is GPL and I've just cut it down to the bare minimum20:59
* xnt14 was just messing around with xchat :P21:00
*** hellwolf has quit IRC21:00
Jaffalardman: The Artistic licence is GPL compatible; but I'm happy to relicense Horizon. Artistic's my general preferred one, but I'm not too fussy for something which is so trivial.21:00
lardmanI don't care personally, I can just add a comment above the code: "Borrowed from such and such, licensed under the GPL, modified by me" etc21:01
lardmanI never know if that's acceptable though21:01
lardmanor I could just stick it in a separate file and import it21:01
* Jaffa 'll change the whole thing to GPL; saves any worries :)21:01
xnt14%runcmd moo("#mer")21:01
lardmanok, hold your horses though until I'm sure it works, save you the typing21:02
lardman:)21:02
Jaffa:)21:02
xnt14:P21:02
JaffaApparently the values I'm interpreting are backwards anyway21:02
lardmanso I read, would be easy to solve by giving us some hardware of course ;)21:04
JaffaIndeed21:04
*** wazd_n800 has quit IRC21:06
*** rkirti|brb is now known as rkirti21:06
*** chx has joined #maemo21:08
chxso my favorite laptop sleeve is a zeroshock, is there anything even remotely similar in endurance for the n810?21:08
*** talig has joined #maemo21:08
taligHi everyone21:09
taligjeremiah: Good evening :)21:09
*** qwerty12_N810 has quit IRC21:10
*** qwerty12_N810 has joined #maemo21:10
andre__javispedro, at least the test "SWF in PDF" file i found on adobe's page doesn't work in Fremantle21:12
javispedrowow I'm impressed21:12
javispedroi found the swf file21:12
andre__so probably nokia is not affected21:12
andre__http://www.adobe.com/devnet/captivate/articles/movieclip_to_pdf.html21:12
andre__or what's your source/21:12
andre__?21:12
andre__because pdf reader in diablo and fremantle is basically the same (rotten) code21:13
javispedrothe backtrack reveals libflashplayer calling g_spawn_command_line then crashing21:13
javispedroandre__, i looked at a badware domain list, found a active one and downloaded everything21:14
andre__javispedro, hmm... if you have a sweet testcase please file it. because for me it doesn't work :-P21:14
javispedroso I don't know if it's ...erm.. fine for me to post it21:14
andre__ehehe. or send me an email or whatever :-P21:14
javispedrowill try on the tablet now21:14
andre__aklapper at openismus dot com21:14
esaym153noes...n810 has been removed from nokia.com21:15
*** zimmerle has joined #maemo21:15
andre__later21:16
javispedrocrashes browserd21:18
javispedrothe exploit is not working though, expected since from what I've seen is x8621:19
*** torkiano has quit IRC21:23
javispedrothe exact behaviour is: browserd crashes, restarts itself, crashes again, the browser-ui closes21:24
*** t0h has quit IRC21:25
*** madhav has joined #maemo21:25
andre__javispedro, anyway, please file me a bug or send me an email with instructions. i'd love to test this :)21:26
*** qwerty12_N810 has quit IRC21:28
*** qwerty12_N810 has joined #maemo21:28
*** _berto_ has quit IRC21:30
*** harbaum has joined #maemo21:31
*** briglia has quit IRC21:31
*** florian has joined #maemo21:35
javispedroProgram received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.21:38
javispedrox4576c138 in ?? () from /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so21:38
javispedroand that's about it...21:39
*** danilocesar has joined #maemo21:39
*** Vulcanis has joined #maemo21:41
javispedroandre__, enable swap or remove the javascript eval() call or all you'll see is out of memory21:41
*** L0cutus has quit IRC21:41
*** KamikaziFreak has joined #maemo21:44
*** chelli has joined #maemo21:44
KamikaziFreakAfter having my tablet go into endless reboot mode for the third time, I've decided that I need to make a script that runs every night that the device is on, that checks for file changes and backs up to SD.  However, I've got a problem for right now; I've got files on the device that I want, but can't get to them.21:46
KamikaziFreakDoes anyone know any crazy hacks to get to these, such as tricks with the flasher tool, or booting from SD?21:47
*** ssvb has joined #maemo21:47
*** Weeman has quit IRC21:49
* lardman reads about OMAP3 DSP stuff21:49
lardmanand waits for some hw to be released....21:50
*** L0cutus has joined #maemo21:50
johnsqlardman: before you write omap3 dsp stuff, omap4 is released.21:50
lardmanjohnsq: yeah probably true :)21:51
vasily_pupkinomap4+AC'97 codec :D21:51
*** t0h has joined #maemo21:56
*** rsalveti has quit IRC21:58
*** greentux has joined #maemo22:00
*** qwerty12_N810 has quit IRC22:01
* xnt14 tries netbsd.....in kvm :P22:02
xnt14net.bsd.xceleo.org....lol :P22:02
xnt14bsd.xceleo.org :P22:02
*** igagis1 has joined #maemo22:05
Maceranybody know what the computer is called to connect to a car data port?22:07
derfMacer: ODB2.22:08
Macerodb2?22:09
*** t0h has quit IRC22:09
xnt14brb, going to kill init, kvm is not responding...:P22:09
*** VDVsx has quit IRC22:09
*** t0h has joined #maemo22:10
*** bergie has joined #maemo22:10
*** kkrusty has joined #maemo22:10
derfE.g., http://www.scantool.net/scan-tools/22:10
*** xnt14 has quit IRC22:10
Macerderf22:13
Macertxn22:13
Macertnx22:13
Macerderf: what is the best to use for it?22:17
Macerto get all the codes and stuff?22:17
derfTo get codes, monitor fuel consumption (in real time), etc.22:17
Macerwould be neet if i could mount a libretto on the dash22:17
Macerand use a usb ver22:18
derfThere's a maemo app that interfaces with the bluetooth ones.22:18
derfI forget what it's called.22:18
Macerwow really?22:18
Macerdamn22:18
Macerthat would be worth getting an n800 haha22:19
fiferboycarmon22:19
Macerwow22:19
Maceri want an n810 now22:19
Macerjust to mount on the windshield22:19
fiferboy~s/carmon/carman/22:19
Macerand run bt carmon22:20
Macerhaha22:20
fiferboyhttp://openbossa.indt.org/carman/22:20
Macerwow22:21
*** xnt14 has joined #maemo22:24
*** CutMeOwnThroat has joined #maemo22:24
Macerok. i will get the bt ver22:25
Macercomes w/ pc software im hoping22:25
*** rsalveti has joined #maemo22:27
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo22:28
t_s_ohrmf, seems load applet shows the swap symbol even after swap have been disabled, if swap had been in use beforehand...22:29
t_s_oprobably worthless to report tho, as for all i know its fixed in fremantle :P22:29
*** hellwolf has joined #maemo22:31
Macerfiferboy: wow22:31
Macerthat app looks awesome22:32
RST38ht_s_o: the load applet is a third party app, isn't it?22:32
javispedroagreed22:32
Macerdoesnt say it it reads error codes tho22:32
javispedrothe app looks awesome ;) is there a video of it in action?22:32
fiferboyI've never tried it with an actual ODB2 device, so I don't know about that part22:32
*** madhav has quit IRC22:32
Macerheh22:33
RST38hit is kinda useless without OBD222:34
RST38hbut cute22:34
t_s_oRST38h: not sure, i think it may be a offshot of something ones developed at nokia. seems to be a garage area for it, but it has no bug report system enabled...22:35
t_s_ooh wait, maybe its under bugs.maemo these days :S22:35
t_s_oi kinda stopped going there after seeing mail after mail about "fixed in fremantle"...22:35
xnt14result of total boredom: http://xceleo.org/xd/22:36
xnt14tweeted: http://twitter.com/xnt1337/status/289559222422:36
*** StsN810 has joined #Maemo22:37
javispedrosee you're still in spain, sts :D22:38
MacerRST38h: haha22:38
Stskeepsindeed, javispedro22:38
Macerthat thing is going to make me get an n81022:38
Macerdoes an n810 have a window mount?22:38
t_s_othere is a car mount, iirc...22:39
Macerdoesnt the windshield mount come with it i mean?22:39
Maceryeah22:39
Macerok22:39
Macerim going to order one and the bt scan tool22:39
Macerthat thing is AWESOME22:39
Macerit would go great in my car lol22:39
*** bergie has quit IRC22:40
*** javispedro has quit IRC22:41
*** bilboed-pi has quit IRC22:41
*** fiferboy has quit IRC22:42
*** slonopotamus_ has quit IRC22:42
lardmanJaffa: you still about? What is the provider supposed to return, the 3 angles?22:43
*** TimRiker has joined #maemo22:44
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo22:44
lardmanah, was looking at the dummy provider, doh22:45
*** hellwolf has quit IRC22:45
lardmanhmm, if I want to multiply all the values in a Python list by 1000, do I have to do: var[0:2] = var[0:2]*100022:47
lardmanor access each one individually?22:47
*** TheJere has joined #maemo22:49
*** harbaum has quit IRC22:50
*** kkrusty has quit IRC22:51
*** torkiano has joined #maemo22:52
lardman~lart "TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable" error22:56
* infobot slaps "TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable" error upside the head with a wet fish22:56
slonopotamuslardman, var = [x * 1000 for x in var]22:56
*** parsimoniae has quit IRC22:56
lardmanslonopotamus: ah, what if I have 3 different functions providing the data?:22:56
lardmanreturn [int(self.force_gx*1000), int(self.force_gy*1000), int(self.force_gz*1000)]22:56
*** JoeBrain has joined #maemo22:57
slonopotamusyikes, doubles rounding22:57
lardmandon't ask me, just trying to fit in with Jaffa's code ;)22:58
lardmanbut the multiply happens before the int conversion22:58
lardmanso should be ok22:58
*** LinuxCode has quit IRC22:58
slonopotamusreturn [int(x * 1000) for x in [self.force_gx, self.force_gy, self.force_gz]] :P22:59
lardmanwell I tried this: return [ int(x * 1000) for x in (self.force_gx, self.force_gy, self.force_gz)]22:59
lardmanah, square brackets instead :)22:59
Macerheh23:00
Maceri bid on an n81023:00
Macerthey're hard to find from stores now :-\23:00
lardmandrat, same error23:00
Maceri'm going to get the car scan tool thing tomorrow23:00
Macerheh23:00
lardmanCSI time, bbl to continue the accelerometer quest23:00
slonopotamus'same'?23:00
Macerthat crap comes with a usb bt adapter23:00
lardmanMacer: how much are they?23:00
Macerlardman: anywhere between 150-40023:01
Maceri just want it for the carman thing23:01
Macerheh23:01
lardmanI think my OBD2 port is under the steering wheel, so not much use while running in any case23:01
lardmanhit my knees on it :)23:01
Macerwell23:01
Macerthe bt version23:01
*** lardman is now known as lardman|CSI23:01
Macershouldn't get in the way too much ;)23:01
lardman|CSIMacer: still need to plug it in though23:01
Maceryeah i guess23:01
Macermy port is underneath the dash23:01
lardman|CSIanyway must go, wife shouting that it's started23:02
Macerso it won't get in the way at all23:02
Macerok23:02
Macerlater23:02
*** kkrusty has joined #maemo23:03
*** TheJere has quit IRC23:04
*** Free_maN has joined #maemo23:04
*** blade_runner has joined #maemo23:04
ShadowJKHeh. Forums full of people complaining about N97 GPS. Not about TFF, but its ability to track23:05
ShadowJKAtleast the N810 stays tracking once it acquires fix :)23:05
*** JoeBrain_ has joined #maemo23:07
taligjeremiah: Are you around?23:09
*** t_s_o has quit IRC23:11
*** alehorst has quit IRC23:12
*** ignacius has joined #maemo23:14
*** victorpoluceno has joined #maemo23:17
*** parsimoniae has joined #maemo23:19
*** javispedro has joined #maemo23:19
*** JoeBrain has quit IRC23:25
*** JoeBrain_ is now known as JoeBrain23:25
*** hellwolf-n810 has joined #maemo23:30
*** alehorst has joined #maemo23:36
*** carlosroundel has joined #maemo23:45
*** filip42 has quit IRC23:47
*** lizardo has quit IRC23:48
*** baraujo has quit IRC23:49
*** danilocesar has quit IRC23:51
*** StsN810 has quit IRC23:54
*** tbf has joined #maemo23:55
*** danilocesar has joined #maemo23:58
*** lardman|CSI is now known as lardman23:58
*** rzr has quit IRC23:59
*** danilocesar has quit IRC23:59

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!