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| mavhc | so I added a second wifi ap to my network, but the n810 only wants to use the new one, never seems to roam, always selects the new one even if it's lower signal strength | 00:28 |
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| mavhc | plus it lists them both in the select connection list | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | mavhc, same SSID, etc? | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Same encryption? | 00:30 |
| mavhc | yes, didn't have to add a second saved connection | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | My N800 roams over 4 Tomato APs without issue. | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | WPA2 | 00:30 |
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| * ShadowJK 's n810 "roams" over two different APs with different ssid | 00:32 | |
| ShadowJK | static ips ftw | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | different essid | 00:32 |
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| mavhc | how does wifi know that 2 aps are for the same network? | 00:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Same SSID, different channels. | 00:37 |
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| mavhc | and does it show each AP in the list, or just 1? at work I'm pretty sure it's only 1, but there's 2 here | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | It only shows 1. | 00:38 |
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| ShadowJK | what if you have them on same channel? :) | 00:40 |
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| GAN800 | ShadpwJK, never bothered to test. | 00:45 |
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| GAN800 | Probaboy nothing exciting, but you'll only be able to use the other when one is completely out of range, I believe. | 00:45 |
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| Macer | damn | 01:09 |
| Macer | there are a LOT of hero roms for G1 | 01:09 |
| Macer | heh | 01:09 |
| Macer | wonder if they suck | 01:09 |
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| lardman | evening all | 01:11 |
| Stskeeps | evening lardman | 01:15 |
| lardman | hey Stskeeps, was wondering if the official channel had changed for a minute there ;) | 01:16 |
| wazd | btw, is it possible to test Hero ROM with NITDroid?) | 01:17 |
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| Stskeeps | 239 people vs 75, nah, this is still the main channel ;) | 01:17 |
| lardman | lol, no I meant just in general, I could see the tubleweeds | 01:18 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: is maemo required to install Mer? | 01:18 |
| lardman | I still can't type though, nothing changes | 01:18 |
| Macer | i mean do you have like a flash on its own program for like.. windows or something? :) | 01:18 |
| Macer | something like the firmware updating app nokia has with the n800? | 01:19 |
| lardman | VDVsx: ping | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: windows flasher can't flash single pieces | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | linux one can | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: flasher-3.5 beta ;) | 01:19 |
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| Stskeeps | windows 3.5 can? | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | WFM when I needed to flash an zImage | 01:19 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yep | 01:19 |
| Stskeeps | is there one? :P | 01:20 |
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| Stskeeps | scary | 01:20 |
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| claptonorient | Hi peeps, an N810 question: | 01:23 |
| VDVsx | lardman, pong | 01:24 |
| claptonorient | how do I move desktop applets? Sometimes it works, most times not | 01:24 |
| lardman | hi VDVsx, was just going to see how the barcode GSoC is coming along? | 01:24 |
| lardman | claptonorient: tap in the middle somewhere then drag | 01:24 |
| qwerty12_N810 | claptonorient: I find hildon-desktop can get "stuck" sometimes... I just tap the menu icon, close it, and get back to dragging... | 01:25 |
| lardman | VDVsx: I've just pulled the repo and am tweaking to get it to run | 01:25 |
| VDVsx | lardman, server side and UI is going well, barcode decoding is in the same status (more or less) | 01:25 |
| claptonorient | ta lardman - i just get a box saying "close" - qwerty... this worked just the once for me. I'll try switching off and on again | 01:26 |
| lardman | VDVsx: yeah that's fine, the barcode decoding works, etc | 01:26 |
| VDVsx | lardman, the repo is very incomplete now, and the ui is for fremantle, don't expect it to work on the device :P | 01:26 |
| lardman | ok :) | 01:26 |
| lardman | any ideas on the deps, same as before? | 01:27 |
| lardman | hmm, server, is that an on-device server or more like the Android one which works on a "proper" PC and cuts the traffic down? | 01:28 |
| VDVsx | zbar debs + plus some python deps (beatifulsoap and other web parsing stuff) | 01:28 |
| VDVsx | lardman, | 01:28 |
| VDVsx | yes | 01:28 |
| lardman | 2nd? | 01:28 |
| VDVsx | yes, lol | 01:28 |
| lardman | np :) | 01:28 |
| * lardman goes searching for deps | 01:28 | |
| VDVsx | lardman, is django based (python) | 01:28 |
| VDVsx | have to go, bye | 01:29 |
| lardman | cu, thanks | 01:29 |
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| lardman | derf: good to see the QR stuff in there and getting some updates too | 01:32 |
| derf | Yes. | 01:34 |
| derf | We've been having quite the involved discussions about it via e-mail. | 01:34 |
| lardman | great, making progress? | 01:34 |
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| derf | Well, after some initial issues, it now has about the same accuracy as it did before the integration. | 01:35 |
| derf | And if there's no QR codes, it doesn't seem to slow down the rest of his code at all. | 01:35 |
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| lardman | ah, that's good news then | 01:36 |
| lardman | certainly the fact it can be used in parallel | 01:36 |
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| lardman | ~lart Firefox for not wanting to start-up now | 01:40 |
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| lardman | hmm, sounds like a restart is needed, and bed; will hopefully catch you guys tomorrow now I'm not working all hours | 01:42 |
| lardman | night all | 01:42 |
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| Macer | hi | 09:12 |
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| RST38h | Here goes N9x0 launch: http://gizmodo.com/5323446/financial-times-confirms-apple-tablet-features-september-launch | 10:37 |
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| florian | good morning | 11:28 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:29 |
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| supermaz | Hi everyone | 11:35 |
| supermaz | Does anyone knows if there is a caldav capable calendar app for maemo? | 11:36 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-smartq-apmd.png | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure the values are right though :P | 12:06 |
| RST38h | Sts: Cooolio | 12:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: nice :) | 12:07 |
| RST38h | Sts: Good to see that the sinister violet/green halo around the Mer logo is gone | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: it's there still just not highlighted | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i don't believe that a smartq can stay 7d active though | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly i wouldn't mind, but .. :) | 12:08 |
| RST38h | Sts: Change it already, it is real ugly | 12:12 |
| RST38h | Sts: Just making the logo brighter will do the job | 12:12 |
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| sarower | for socket programming: Once the connection is established, I am maintaining the connection always...... | 12:14 |
| sarower | So when server send data....how i can receive...it... | 12:14 |
| sarower | is it ok if i keep the recv() function inside an infinite loop? | 12:14 |
| sarower | any body...any idea..? | 12:14 |
| sarower | Of course it is inside another thread | 12:14 |
| sarower | any expert opinion...! | 12:14 |
| RST38h | sarower: The expert opinion is to suggest that you read a book on socket programming | 12:15 |
| RST38h | Do you need a reference to a particular book? | 12:15 |
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| sarower | tumi emon tera marka kotha bolo keno vai? | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | Please, use English | 12:16 |
| sarower | ok.... | 12:16 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sarower: be nice ;) | 12:16 |
| sarower | ok | 12:16 |
| sarower | qwerty12_N810: See, RST38h always behaves rude.... is it right? | 12:17 |
| sarower | I know you are very genious....but.. | 12:18 |
| RST38h | Socket programming does not require genius. It does require reading a book though. | 12:18 |
| sarower | Ok, you do not need to give any suggestion...or no need to reply me... | 12:19 |
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| sarower | and keep in mind that "proud" destroys everything | 12:20 |
| LinuxCode | lazyness is a bigger problem | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | sarower: you are really showing an incapability to simply google after stuff or read a book. we all had to go through that. nothing to do with pride. it's better to give you a fishing rod than a fish. | 12:23 |
| LinuxCode | and with that said, are we talking c ? | 12:24 |
| LinuxCode | if so... Interprocess Communications in Linux | 12:24 |
| LinuxCode | by | 12:24 |
| LinuxCode | Gray | 12:24 |
| LinuxCode | published by prentice hall | 12:24 |
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| lardman | morning all | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman | 12:53 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 12:55 |
| lardman | Is it just me, or have there been no emails to maemo-developers all weekend? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't seen any personally | 12:56 |
| lcuk | maemo developers are stuck in a timevortex | 12:56 |
| lcuk | didnt you get the email? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | it is high summer though isn't it? | 12:56 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: true | 12:56 |
| * lcuk waves | 12:56 | |
| lardman | lcuk: hey :) | 12:56 |
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| lardman | so anything new in the past couple of weeks? | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | not much, i'm at debconf and meeting various people - a lot of maemo.org logos down here | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Registration for summit opened. Will you be there? :) | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | on all tshirts, posters, etc | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | and mentioned in my talk and maemo.org logo on suihkulokki's talk :) | 13:02 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: should be, need to check how I get from Berlin to Amsterdam | 13:03 |
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| lardman | and then from Amsterdam back home | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | lardman: The first part should not be a big problem. | 13:03 |
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| lardman | I had a quick look this morning and it seems pretty expensive though | 13:04 |
| andre__ | lardman, there's e.g. a nighttrain from berlin to amsterdam. and flights of course :-) | 13:04 |
| andre__ | but yeah, it's not that cheap | 13:04 |
| lardman | £20 to get to Berlin and ~£150 to get to Amsterdam from there | 13:04 |
| lardman | yeah there's a train 6.5h | 13:04 |
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| andre__ | what is that in a standard currency? :-P | 13:04 |
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| lardman | I might look at flying to Paris, or similar then doing return flights to Berlin and Amsterdam from there | 13:05 |
| lardman | andre__: :p like 200E | 13:05 |
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| andre__ | uh | 13:05 |
| Jaffa | lardman: I did the reverse trip last year (well, Arnhem to Berlin) | 13:05 |
| Jaffa | Train was good; and online bookable. | 13:05 |
| lardman | did you go overnight? | 13:05 |
| lardman | Anyway yes I will be there, just have to sort the logistics | 13:06 |
| lardman | :) | 13:06 |
| lardman | X-Fade: and where's my karma? ;) | 13:06 |
| andre__ | lardman, one-way day train is available for 50eur on bahn.de | 13:07 |
| andre__ | berlin -> amsterdam | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | lardman: transavia.com 30 euro Berlin -> Amsterdam. | 13:07 |
| lardman | ah, sounds good | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | hmm ex taxes ;) | 13:08 |
| X-Fade | Well 69 including | 13:08 |
| lardman | yeah, I can survive that | 13:08 |
| lardman | then I need to go from Amsterdam to somewhere I can fly back to Bristol | 13:08 |
| lardman | hmm, anyway I'll work it out, I could head to London I guess | 13:08 |
| lardman | not sure how my finance dept will like my circuitous route back from my meeting in Berlin though | 13:09 |
| lardman | :) | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: we have DSP sharing now in mer kernel btw | 13:09 |
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| lardman | sharing? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | well whatever the DSP framebuffer thing was :) | 13:10 |
| lardman | video memory you mean? | 13:10 |
| lardman | yeah, ok | 13:10 |
| * X-Fade is amazed that airlines charge an 'Administration fee' for online flight bookings. | 13:10 | |
| lardman | good good, is it still amazingly unstable? :) | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: Mer or the patch? ;) | 13:10 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Instead of amazement, do nt use them | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | That is about the easiest way for them to get money and the data. :) | 13:10 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: I'm planning on flashing Mer this evening | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | 0.15's a big step forward, at least | 13:11 |
| lardman | Need to get barcode stuff done too, keeps annoying me not knowing which books I own | 13:11 |
| * Stskeeps has weird wifi issue on his installation though | 13:11 | |
| lardman | Stskeeps: how weird? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | well, it seems not to hit other people, so i think it might be a sideeffect of me mucking about inside my n8x0 to fix my charger plug :) | 13:12 |
| lardman | ah ok | 13:12 |
| * lardman really wants a new phone, come on Nokia! | 13:13 | |
| roope_ | Good morning. | 13:13 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: so I reckon if you render the tiles from Google Satellite view and use a simple flight model, will be pretty good ;) | 13:13 |
| lardman | hi roope | 13:13 |
| roope | Summer holidays are slowly ending in Finland. :) | 13:14 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: some airlines that charge that are still cheaper than the ones that don't | 13:16 |
| * Myrtti contemplates on buying a 2.79€ flight to UK | 13:16 | |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: Yeah, but it is just stupit to tell your customer that he has to pay for administration of their core business. | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | Myrtti: They are in the business of selling flights, how else would they get your booking? :) | 13:18 |
| Myrtti | X-Fade: I'd call flight industrys core business keeping the planes in the air, not suffling papers around in the airports - atleast here in Finland an unnamed flight company beginning with a letter R has outsourced everything they do at the airport to a subcontractor - can understand why they need to charge for the online stuff as they need to suffle data to the subcontractor and so on | 13:19 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Nice idea :) | 13:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: The spirit level on the iPhone App Store advert annoyed me. This was a quick way of playing with accelerometers & Cairo. Next step: accelerometers & OpenGL-ES to do a fun little "tilt your way through the obstacles" game | 13:21 |
| lardman | Jaffa: when I have a few spare minutes I'll plumb in the wiimote so I can play | 13:21 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Cool; patches welcome. | 13:21 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yes, sounds good | 13:21 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Ideally there'd be a series of class references and it asks each one if they're available; and use the first available. But my Python-fu isn't strong enough for that yet | 13:22 |
| lardman | Or we could just let the user choose of course :) | 13:23 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: Indeed. | 13:26 |
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| lardman | qwerty12_N810: ping | 14:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | lardman: pong. | 14:10 |
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| lardman | and there I thought you were out burning cars in your summer holiday ;) | 14:11 |
| lardman | how are your Debianisation skillz? | 14:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Not great | 14:11 |
| lardman | note to self, don't abuse someone before asking a favour | 14:12 |
| lardman | ~kick self | 14:12 |
| * infobot kicks self | 14:12 | |
| RST38h | lardman: as long as you promise him to stop the abuse... | 14:13 |
| lardman | ah, good plan | 14:13 |
| lardman | :) | 14:13 |
| supermaz | Hi all | 14:14 |
| supermaz | does someone knows if there is a CalDav capable Calendar software for maemo? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | lardman, did you ever finish up all your database stuff you started looking at | 14:15 |
| lcuk | or is that in a dropped branch for now | 14:15 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: any advice as to how to perform Debianisation, do you have some basic skeleton files you use? | 14:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | dh_make? | 14:15 |
| lardman | lcuk: no, been busy | 14:15 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: does dh_make take a plan tarball and turn it all Debian like? | 14:16 |
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| lardman | s/plan/plain | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | it creates the baseline /debian folder within your project | 14:16 |
| lardman | lcuk: the gui is a real pain though, so am thinking the Python way might be better than keeping going with the C | 14:16 |
| lcuk | i think | 14:16 |
| lcuk | yeah i hear ya | 14:17 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: mud can help with basic debianisation, FWIW | 14:17 |
| lardman | plus I may as well hack using the same language as the GSoC project | 14:17 |
| lcuk | just hope theres still some entry points, i have a super graffiti wall and lots of source data that will need throwing into something soon :D | 14:17 |
| lardman | Jaffa: is there a howto somewhere? I just want to create a deb that sticks the files in the right place, nice and quick and easy, etc. | 14:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: well you may find zbar does the trick for you | 14:18 |
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| lardman | lcuk: it does lots of barcode types, and is written in C, with a python entry point, etc | 14:18 |
| lcuk | yeah ill sort that out later, ill just leave it with a stub for now | 14:18 |
| Jaffa | lardman: the docs are a bit out of date: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | lardman: Best example is something like Vim: https://garage.maemo.org/viewvc/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/?revision=233&root=mud-builder - a "foo.pkg" file in mud/packages containing a mud.xml | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | That defines upstream source and any additional metadata. | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | lardman: then `mud build foo' | 14:20 |
| lardman | ok, will give it a go | 14:20 |
| Jaffa | vim also demonstrates shipping files for menu integration and arbitrary other files which aren't part of the tarball. | 14:21 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders when the next maemo-beagle will be up to date | 14:22 | |
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| lardman | any news on the PowerVR stuff? | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | i suppose it has been hit by the summer | 14:25 |
| lardman | ah true | 14:25 |
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| wazd_ | RST38h: ping?) | 14:27 |
| lardman | bbiab, changing location | 14:27 |
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| RST38h | wazd: pong. | 14:34 |
| rmt_ | Muhaha. I now have my girlfriend entering all our travel plans into Tomboy, and will copy it to the 810 afterwards. | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | don't rely on n810 gps | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: from my blog bout Ti85: Hey, | 14:36 |
| rmt_ | I also discovered that evince on the n810 seems to eat CPU regardless .. led to a wrong turn on the drive home yesterday. | 14:36 |
| wazd | Thanks for making these, they look very cool, however, they are hard to use with fingers (not impossible, just a bit hard). Could it be possible to make a new ’skin’ and use some of the empty space to make the keys bigger? | 14:36 |
| wazd | Thanks! | 14:36 |
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| rmt_ | But I must say, San Marino has fabulous views. :-) | 14:37 |
| * Stskeeps is enjoying caceres, spain | 14:37 | |
| Stskeeps | .. especially sitting inside | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:37 |
| rmt_ | Hehe.. actually, the weather there yesterday was *great* .. hot, but a cool breeze .. unlike Perugia, where the heat's just stifling. No ocean to cool us down. | 14:38 |
| RST38h | wazd: This is the version of the guy who wanted to make sensitive areas bigger (on itt) | 14:38 |
| rmt_ | But I kind of fear Sicily next month .. July/August is the worst time of the year to go, I think.. | 14:39 |
| wazd | fucking google | 14:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: Generally possible, but 1) will make it easier to make a mistake and 2) requires me to go and tediously change a few scores of rectangle coordinates | 14:39 |
| wazd | I've installed Picasa 3 software | 14:39 |
| RST38h | And, of course, I am lazy | 14:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: Why? | 14:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: They have got web albums, that is usually enough | 14:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: it allows me to choose 2 options on startup - search whole PC for photos and search "only" My Pictures and Desktop | 14:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: I can't search nothing | 14:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: Uninstall, ignore | 14:40 |
| * RST38h made Google Voice work with Gizmo and even made a few US calls yesterdya | 14:41 | |
| wazd | RST38h: yep, that was pretty annoying | 14:41 |
| RST38h | The funny thing is, as Ubuntu absolutely refused to support mike on my laptop, the tablet ended up as the only Gizmo client in the house | 14:41 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Any attempt by a ebusiness to force plunger up your ass is gonna be annoying, to say the least | 14:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Be it Picasa, Java, or ICQ | 14:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: at least ICQ don't tell me "I want to cache all files on your PC right now. Obey." | 14:44 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Ah it does a lot of other things, if you try installing the official ICQ client from AOL | 14:45 |
| lcuk | well icq and picasa are 2 completely different apps | 14:45 |
| lcuk | i expect a graphical cataloging app to search my machine | 14:45 |
| lcuk | why would an im program? | 14:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It does not, it just installs itself all over the place, pulls up its own copy of the JVM, then insterts itself into autostart | 14:46 |
| wazd | lcuk: sure, but I would expect an app to allow me not to catalogue all stuff on my pc | 14:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: At which point it proceeds to search all your contacts and add them in | 14:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In other words, it is a differently shaped plunger applied to the same orifice | 14:46 |
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| wazd | lcuk: Picasa didn't give me that choice so it was anihilated :) | 14:47 |
| lcuk | you just said it had option for scan all machine | 14:47 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you mean the extra crap with icq, not icq itself | 14:47 |
| wazd | lcuk: all or just my pictures | 14:48 |
| wazd | lcuk: which are basicaly the same ptions on my PC :) | 14:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But again, you do not get much choice | 14:48 |
| lcuk | thats a reasonable choice for a catalog tho - doesnt canola do similar? | 14:48 |
| wazd | lcuk: canola allows me to choose folders | 14:48 |
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| wazd | lcuk: specific folders | 14:48 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: crazy question, who uses FVWM in Maemo these days? | 14:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: My guess is that you will find a different image cataloging program that is less intrusive and more smart | 14:49 |
| wazd | lcuk: Picasa doesn't | 14:49 |
| RST38h | wazd: twocows or some other software site has them | 14:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: In fact I don't want to catalogue my photos, I just wanted to have a web album for Mer shots :) | 14:49 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: er.. Maybe Benson? (And I'm not even 100% on that) | 14:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have Lightroom for listing/editting :) | 14:49 |
| lcuk | wazd im sure you can specifcy specific folders in picasa - maybe not at the firstboot wizard, but in the main options | 14:49 |
| lcuk | then picasa is wrong app deffo | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: reason i'm wondering is because of zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/ - we're emulating mer ui in fvwm | 14:50 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | A WM that understands the concept of more than one window (*gasp*) would be nice... | 14:51 |
| lardman | re | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | check the middle screenshot i think | 14:51 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Nice | 14:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah, you do not need Picasa client to create a web album | 14:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: They may not clearly tell you that because they want you to have the client | 14:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: their web uploader can upload only 6 photos at a time | 14:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: You have got more? =) | 14:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: 50 :) | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Just 9 runs... | 14:54 |
| RST38h | Easier than suffer Picasa client | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | facepalm: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/25/kindle_conundrum/ | 14:55 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, are they composited in :o | 14:56 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Stupid people. "Buying content" hehe | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: really interesting screenshot.. http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fvwm-interesting.png | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | (osso-xterm and HIM) | 15:00 |
| mavhc | not like you can't alter the folders picassa uses after it's running | 15:02 |
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| Macer | well | 15:04 |
| Macer | need to make one more wordpress vhost | 15:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: BTW, there are ebooks with free open courced firmware *and* there is a contest for the best ebook app going on right now | 15:05 |
| RST38h | s/courced/sourced | 15:05 |
| lcuk | ebook app on which platform? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | PocketBook 301+ | 15:06 |
| RST38h | aka "the Ukrainian ebook" | 15:06 |
| lcuk | cool | 15:06 |
| RST38h | http://www.pocketbook.com.ua/ | 15:06 |
| lcuk | back to greyscale :) neat | 15:07 |
| lardman | hmm, what's up with OMWeather? | 15:07 |
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| * lcuk is gonna make a weather app which lets you put your own weather in one day soon :) | 15:07 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Can I make a feature request? =) | 15:08 |
| lcuk | the amount of times i look at a weather applet in whichever system, then glance at the window and go "no its not" | 15:08 |
| lcuk | no | 15:08 |
| RST38h | shit | 15:08 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:08 |
| * RST38h wanted to ask for the "microwave on high" option | 15:09 | |
| lcuk | fire away, im kidding | 15:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: that's the problem with using Yahoo weather or whatever it is | 15:09 |
| lardman | lcuk: try xcweather.co.uk, seems to be better than average in its performance | 15:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, what is? its always wrong or it doesnt give weather, it requests it | 15:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, i want to just click on the kind of weather it is | 15:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: always wrong | 15:10 |
| lardman | ah, attached to a weather machine, I see | 15:10 |
| lcuk | human weather station :) | 15:10 |
| lcuk | or automated readings | 15:10 |
| lardman | well obviously the interface is the hard bit there, changing the weather is old hat ;) | 15:10 |
| lcuk | "its sunny here now" | 15:10 |
| * lcuk hates seeing what a computer THINKS something is | 15:11 | |
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| lcuk | anyway, back to the grind | 15:12 |
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| lardman | hmm, /me likes the look of mud xml | 15:12 |
| lardman | though I can't see any links on the mud pages to the actual ruby (I think) scripts. Anyone? | 15:14 |
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| lardman | ah, svn job | 15:16 |
| lardman | hmm, cert error for Garage | 15:16 |
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| lardman | hey GeneralAntilles | 15:28 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Morning, lardman. | 15:28 |
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| lardman | what number do the maemo packages start from? I've got zbar-0.8, should that then be zbar-0.8-maemo0 or something? | 15:29 |
| lardman | how's things GeneralAntilles? | 15:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tired, getting ready for another marathon week at work. | 15:30 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: zbar_0.8-maemo1 | 15:30 |
| lardman | work work or uni work? | 15:30 |
| lardman | X-Fade: thanks | 15:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Work-work | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | mind the difference between _ and - ;) | 15:31 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: yep, I guess mud-builder sorts out the underscore for me | 15:32 |
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| Jaffa | lardman: If it's not been packaged for any other platform, the -maemo suffix is unnecessary. | 15:34 |
| lardman | oh, ok | 15:34 |
| lardman | well it's an external project | 15:34 |
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| lardman | but I hope to use it unchanged, so in that case do I need the suffix? | 15:35 |
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| X-Fade | The maemo suffix tells that you changed something to the packaging for Maemo. | 15:35 |
| X-Fade | Not touched the actual code. | 15:35 |
| lardman | ok | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | lardman: http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf See 3.2.1 on page 11. | 15:37 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: ok, cheers | 15:38 |
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| * RST38h wonders if he should change "armel" to "maemo" in package names | 15:38 | |
| RST38h | Given that they are clearly Maemo specific | 15:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles runs off to work. | 15:38 | |
| X-Fade | RST38h: armel is typically related to the arch. | 15:39 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Yes, I guessed that much | 15:40 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So, if I only used stdio and let us say X11, it would be ok to have "armel" | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: You shouldn't use armel at all. | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Buy with hildon_app, hildon_window, and other Maemo stuff it has to be maemo | 15:40 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Only to indicate build archs. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/c/cairoclock/ | 15:41 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I have seen it used quite a lot though | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | Notice the _ after the version number. | 15:41 |
| RST38h | ah ok | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: name_version_arch.deb | 15:42 |
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| X-Fade | The builder automatically adds arch btw. | 15:42 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I build stuff locally | 15:43 |
| talig | Anyone wrote anything with pygtk? I'm struggling with some annoying bug... | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, then you should do it yourself. But at least that is the idea. | 15:44 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: I am always adding armel, so I should be ok | 15:45 |
| prometoys | how can I set Midori as default browser? | 15:46 |
| lardman | Jaffa: dare I say it looks like it's working, with only some minor tweaks. Good stuff :) | 15:47 |
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| lardman | ah, spoke too soon | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | lardman: cool | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | doh | 15:47 |
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| lardman | hmm, not linking against something Python related - the bridge library I guess | 15:50 |
| lardman | lot of undefined PyThis PyThat errors | 15:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: ping | 15:55 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, pong | 15:55 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: is the game startup screen in the maemo5 sdk? | 15:56 |
| andre__ | no idea | 15:56 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: ok, do you have a diablo device? | 15:57 |
| andre__ | yes | 15:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, turn it on, and run any of the nokia games | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | now look at the two buttons (start, restart) | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | do they appear centered on your screen? | 15:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | now, find a fremantle thing, and run any game | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | check the same thing :) | 15:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-games-wrapper/ | 16:00 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, yes, confirming the issue. not centered in fremantle | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | it's public! | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | woohoo | 16:00 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs and goes to file | 16:01 | |
| timeless_mbp | can you make sure this is fixed once i file it? | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, this is incredible :) | 16:01 |
| andre__ | no, as i lack superpowers ;-) | 16:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | Bug 4831 has been added to the database | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | please send it to the almighty graveyard in the clouds where it can rot | 16:05 |
| andre__ | you mean my desk? :-P | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | nah | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i wouldn't want your desk to get messier | 16:06 |
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| lardman | it would be turned into coal on my desk there's so much paper work scudding about | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: anyway, lemme know once you've filed it :) | 16:07 |
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| andre__ | (my desk is quite clean actually, heh) | 16:09 |
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| lardman | here's my error if anyone has any ideas (Python C linking thing): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/output.txt | 16:10 |
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| GAN800 | Do it right. | 16:11 |
| lardman | ? | 16:12 |
| GAN800 | andre__, change the post title yet? :P | 16:12 |
| GAN800 | lardman, just general advice. ;) | 16:12 |
| lardman | :) | 16:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | -lpython may actually be a start | 16:13 |
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| jeremiah | sopi: Thanks for the email and keeping me up-to-date. | 16:14 |
| VDVsx | lardman, yep, it can't find python.h | 16:15 |
| lardman | qwerty12_N810: I was wondering if something like that was needed | 16:15 |
| lardman | VDVsx: python.h, I can't find any complaints about that in the output | 16:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: it's a linker error | 16:16 |
| lardman | anyone know what sem_post means in this context too? | 16:16 |
| VDVsx | lardman, "PyErr_Occurred" ->this is from python.h I guess, and yes qwerty solution should work | 16:16 |
| sopi | jeremiah: sure thing | 16:16 |
| lardman | I wonder why it didn't link against libpython, odd | 16:16 |
| VDVsx | lardman, I've the sem_post issue too, but everthing works, so no probs :P | 16:17 |
| VDVsx | something related to cython in SB, I guess | 16:17 |
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| lardman | ah, that might be what's screwed it up though | 16:20 |
| lardman | python-config --libs spits out lots of sem_post errors as well as the libraries line, so perhaps it doesn't get through | 16:21 |
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| lardman | http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html | 16:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Assuming that it runs python-config --cflags, that wouldn't account for -I/usr/include/python2.5 being included. | 16:23 |
| lardman | perhaps I need to upgrade my installation | 16:23 |
| lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m49067ff5 | 16:23 |
| lardman | so perhaps that sort of output doesn't work too well | 16:24 |
| lardman | hmm, I wonder if that is really a Chinook sb installation | 16:24 |
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| lardman | mmm, f77 exists, perhaps I was using this one to build octave | 16:26 |
| lardman | do people with the diablo version get an error with python-config? | 16:27 |
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| RST38h | Running f77 on a tablet sounds kinky | 16:30 |
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| lardman | no in sb to build stuff for the tablet | 16:30 |
| lardman | I'm not one of those strange build-on-device ones like lcuk ;) | 16:30 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, after installing cython (I think), I get the sem_post warning in everything python related, even when running a normal app inside SB | 16:34 |
| VDVsx | diablo 4.1 here | 16:34 |
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| lardman | thanks, I'll reinstall scratchbox later on and see what I get with a fresh install | 16:36 |
| lardman | righty-ho, have to head off, back later on | 16:38 |
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| jeez_ | I'm compiling qt 4.6 for maemo, but I just can't use OpenGl as graphicssystem. Is there someone from the qt4-maemo here ? | 16:39 |
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| fiferboy | jeez_: I do some work on qt4-maemo | 16:40 |
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| talig | Hi everyone, anyone with some gtk/pygtk experience? I need some help :) | 16:40 |
| jeez_ | fiferboy: oh, nice :) so, I'm building Qt here | 16:41 |
| jeez_ | using some of your patches | 16:41 |
| jeez_ | (the ones for Gl) and using "your configure" | 16:41 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: Where is the problem? | 16:42 |
| jeez_ | when I try to use graphicssystem opengl I just get "Unable to load graphicssystem "opengl"" | 16:42 |
| jeez_ | fiferboy: ^ | 16:43 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: This is when you are running a program using the libraries you just built? | 16:43 |
| jeez_ | yes | 16:43 |
| fiferboy | And there were no issues with applying the patches or the compile? | 16:43 |
| jeez_ | I applied tha patches myself, manually | 16:44 |
| jeez_ | and, well, no problems at all | 16:44 |
| fiferboy | Okay, and you are running in what environment? Fremantle in the SDK? | 16:44 |
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| jeez_ | fiferboy: yes | 16:45 |
| jeez_ | and in a omap3, also | 16:45 |
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| fiferboy | I've never tried running Qt 4.6 or Qt with opengl | 16:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 16:46 |
| fiferboy | You could try asking on the qt4-maemo mailing list, I know Antonio on that list has run opengl Qt | 16:46 |
| timeless_mbp | jeez_: do you actually have a working opengl omap3? | 16:46 |
| jeez_ | yes | 16:46 |
| jeez_ | fiferboy: ok | 16:46 |
| jeez_ | can I find antonio on irc ? | 16:47 |
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| fiferboy | But AFAIK the patches have never been used for qt 4.6 | 16:47 |
| lbt | fremantle Qt has opengl enabled | 16:47 |
| jeez_ | that is other thing that I need to talk to someone from qt-maemo | 16:47 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Does Antonio frequent any channels in IRC? | 16:47 |
| lbt | rarely | 16:47 |
| jeez_ | =/ | 16:48 |
| lbt | he's gnuton when he's around | 16:48 |
| fiferboy | ~seen gnuton | 16:48 |
| infobot | gnuton <n=Tonio@kde/developer/aloisio> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 44d 4h 31m 38s ago, saying: 'se'. | 16:48 |
| jeez_ | well, here is exactly what I did | 16:48 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Rarely indeed! | 16:48 |
| jeez_ | I got qt 4.6 from master, applied the patch 103 (the hunks that were not there yet), used qt-maemo configure without the -hildon option, and used the mkspecs config file for opengl-es2 | 16:49 |
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| jeez_ | the result of this can be found on a repository on gitorious | 16:49 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: What is the error when you try to run opengl as the graphicssystem? | 16:50 |
| lbt | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo/blobs/maemo-build-fremantle/debian/rules#line114 | 16:50 |
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| jeez_ | Unable to load graphicssystem "opengl" | 16:50 |
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| talig | jeez_ , fiferboy - any gtk experience? I have a bug I can't trace :( | 16:50 |
| jeez_ | talig: no, sorry =/ | 16:51 |
| jeez_ | lbt: yes, I'm using that | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | talig: I've done some Gtk, but I am by no means an expert | 16:51 |
| jeez_ | the configure options are the same | 16:51 |
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| talig | Thanks, jeez_. fiferboy - it's probably silly: I can't restore the window after I minimize it... ideas? | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | talig: In maemo on the device? | 16:51 |
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| talig | fiferboy - yes... | 16:52 |
| jeez_ | lbt, fiferboy: so I should try talking to Antonio Aloisio ? | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | talig: Is there an icon in the task area? | 16:53 |
| talig | fiferboy - Yup, got icon. | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | talig: And clicking on it does nothing? | 16:53 |
| talig | fiferboy: It opens the window, but only the first time. After you minimize it - it does nothing. | 16:54 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Do you have a dbus service for your program? | 16:57 |
| talig | fiferboy - I don't think so. I mean, in any case not explicitly. | 16:58 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Any code in your program that executes on minimize/restore? | 16:58 |
| talig | fiferboy: No, I didn't find which events/signals need to be connected to do that. | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: I think that would be a good idea | 17:00 |
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| fiferboy | talig: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node7.html | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | talig: Have you looked at the GUI application part of this document? | 17:01 |
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| talig | fifer - I have | 17:02 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Hmmm, so you have a pretty straightforward program that doesn't want to restore the second time it is minimized? | 17:03 |
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| Jaffa | talig: When you say "[the icon] opens the window the first time". fiferboy meant: "Once you start the application from the menu, do you get an icon and entry in the switcher/task area which is inoperative after you minimise the program?" | 17:04 |
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| talig | fiferboy: Exactly, not the second time it's minimized, the first. It actually starts in the minimized form. just a toolbar icon... | 17:05 |
| Jaffa | talig: It starts minimised? | 17:06 |
| fiferboy | Jaffa: Good catch | 17:06 |
| talig | Jaffa: I don't start the application from the menu, I start it from the xTerm. Then I get no window, no entry in the switcher/task area, just the icon in the toolbar. | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fvwm-osso-xterm.png | 17:07 |
| Jaffa | talig: Do you set any weird Gtk+ property to start it minimised? Or is that accidental? | 17:07 |
| talig | When I click the icon, the window opens. But then if I minimize it - it's lost (though the icon remains in place, process running, etc...) | 17:07 |
| qwerty12_N810 | talig: do you have a StartupWMClass field in your desktop file? | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | talig: Do you mean the statusbar area at the top of the desktop? | 17:07 |
| * Jaffa bets if you can find why your app is starting minimised, you can probably fix why it doesn't unmimimise after explicitly minimising it | 17:08 | |
| talig | Jaffa : Not at all. It's just that the "activate" is connected to the icon. | 17:08 |
| talig | qwerty - huh? I don't have a desktop file. | 17:08 |
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| talig | fiferboy: exactly. | 17:08 |
| fiferboy | talig: There is a weird "feature" of hildon | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: That's the Mer UI using fvwm rather than Matchbox? | 17:08 |
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| Jaffa | talig: Oh, so it's not a normal app - it's a status bar thing? | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | With gtk statusbar apps, You have to click the statusbar icon to minimize, then the taskbar entry (which you don't have) to get it to go away | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yup | 17:09 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Nice. | 17:09 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Does clicking the icon several times after it disappears make any different? | 17:09 |
| talig | fiferboy: I don't want the icon to go away | 17:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I'd love to be able to see the pic but browser-proxy is fucking up ATM | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | talig: It shouldn't go away, but there may be a problem with not having a desktop file | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, brave new technology | 17:10 |
| fiferboy | talig: I think Hildon requires one to keep the application running, especially when hidden by the statusbar | 17:10 |
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| talig | fiferboy : After the window disappears, you mean? No, it's not doing anything. About the requirement: That's good, I need it to keep running. | 17:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I should just add Tear support directly into XChat | 17:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Not like I use the POS MicroB anymore. | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | microb is superior for pr0n | 17:11 |
| fiferboy | talig: Try adding a desktop file and executing through that. It should give you a taskbar icon (on the side) when the program is shown, and it should go away when hidden by the statusbar | 17:12 |
| talig | fiferboy: I'll give it a go, thanks. | 17:12 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Nice. Have you tried it with any Xlib/SDL apps? | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: not yet | 17:17 |
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| Macer | hm | 17:21 |
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| jeez_ | is repository.maemo.org facing problems right now ?! I'm having "Failed to fetch" when trying to update and it is also taking soooo long | 17:23 |
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| RST38h | No new tear lately? | 17:40 |
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| jeremiah | jeez_: "Failed to fetch" might be a reflection of a particular mirror's problem, not _necessarily_ repository.maemo.org. | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | morning jeremiah | 17:53 |
| jeremiah | Hey Stskeeps! | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | feeling better yet? | 17:54 |
| jeremiah | I saw you gave your talk already at debconf9 | 17:54 |
| jeremiah | (Yes, I'm feeling better, thank you. :) ) | 17:54 |
| jeremiah | How did your talk go? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it went .. alright, it was a bit hurted by the fact there was no projector and i didn't prepare enough :) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | and the room was 35C+ ;) | 17:54 |
| jeremiah | Yeah, I heard it has been warm there. | 17:55 |
| jeremiah | Really warm. | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, it's not -that- bad, but the BoF room is hell. :P | 17:55 |
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| jeremiah | Well, I'm really glad you gave the talk. I hope you present at FOSDEM next year, and if you don't I am happy to give your presentation (if no one else wants to do it.) | 17:55 |
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| jeremiah | I think videos from debconf9 are meant to show up here: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2009/debconf9/ | 17:57 |
| jeremiah | Not much there now. | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i wasn't recorded by video team, but some of the openmoko/tuxbrain guys did | 17:57 |
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| jeremiah | Awesome. | 17:58 |
| jeremiah | There is going to be a Tuxbrain-like company opening in Gothenburg, Sweden soon. | 17:58 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | brb | 17:59 |
| RST38h | ...the Foxconn worker who apparently committed suicide after an iPhone prototype went missing. As compensation, his family has been paid about $44,000, and his girlfriend received an Apple laptop. | 18:06 |
| jeremiah | RST38h: But Foxconn still think he stole it. | 18:07 |
| jeremiah | Fascists. | 18:07 |
| RST38h | jeremiah: And he did not? | 18:08 |
| jeremiah | Well they haven't found it yet - so who knows. | 18:10 |
| aquatix | who wants to have an iphone anyway :/ | 18:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Why would anyone take their life over one? | 18:11 |
| Myrtti | it would probably spin nicely in truth or dare game | 18:11 |
| * RST38h wonders if they have done body cavity search | 18:11 | |
| Myrtti | probably there's an app to put a picture of a bottle on it too | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | Why wouldn't a real bottle do? | 18:12 |
| Myrtti | if the kids don't have a bottle? | 18:12 |
| VDVsx | I doubt he stole it, otherwise he wouldn't commit suicide :), by the logic | 18:12 |
| RST38h | VDVsxL Faulty logic | 18:13 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: My logic says he felt guilty and committed suicide because of that =) | 18:13 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, but if he stole it and sell it, probably earned a lot of money, why commit suicide ? lol | 18:15 |
| VDVsx | stupid guy, probably | 18:15 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: He may not have sold it (or we would know already from the happy buyer) | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Either way, it is just a silly piece of PCB with some chips on it and a shiny shell | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Not sure why obsess over it so much | 18:16 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, he can sold it to one of rip-off chinese company's :P | 18:18 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: And? | 18:18 |
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| coldboot | He can indeed sold it. | 18:18 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: You really think a Chinese company can't produce another iPhone-looking piece of junk without looking at the real thing? =) | 18:18 |
| coldboot | He can then has many money. | 18:19 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, no, they can produce everthing | 18:19 |
| RST38h | Exactly | 18:20 |
| VDVsx | even space shuttles , lol | 18:20 |
| slonopotamus | dsme often does open("/tmp/cal.mtd1.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) but closes it immediately (it accesses CAL area after lock file was closed). does anyone see any logic in it? | 18:20 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: almost real ones, too =) | 18:20 |
| coldboot | They also instained milk that killed their babbys. | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Better ponder on the fact that Apple is going to release its tablet just when Nokia is planning ot release N9x0 | 18:20 |
| RST38h | September-November | 18:21 |
| Robot101 | slonopotamus: entertaining misunderstanding of the point of lock files? :) | 18:21 |
| slonopotamus | Robot101, could be. i wonder whether it'll behave adequately if i open lock by myself. | 18:21 |
| RST38h | slono: the presense of this file may act as a lock by itself | 18:21 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, anyway, without SW the iphone is just piece of junk (and with is the same :P) | 18:21 |
| RST38h | slono: does it delete the file afterwards? | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, it doesn't create it nor delete. just open then close. | 18:22 |
| RST38h | slono: It does create it - notice O_CREAT | 18:23 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, hmmm... show it to me :) i don't see it anywhere | 18:23 |
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| RST38h | slono: In your open(...) line it will create the file if it is not yet created | 18:24 |
| RST38h | slono: then try opening it in exclusive mode and fail if it has already been open | 18:24 |
| RST38h | ok, time to go home | 18:24 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h, `find / -name cal.mtd1.lock` didn't find it. i'm doing smth wrong? | 18:27 |
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| talig1 | Q: Anyone knows why when I create a debian package for my application it says: Incompatible Package? [I'm in red pill mode] | 18:28 |
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| talig1 | I followed this howto: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html | 18:29 |
| slonopotamus | talig1, 'it'? | 18:29 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 18:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | talig1: Section has to be something in user/ | 18:29 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~package-categories | 18:29 |
| infobot | i guess package-categories is http://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories | 18:29 |
| Andy80 | I'm getting this error, trying to start Xephyr on my Ubuntu 9.04: http://pastebin.com/m64da3aed | 18:29 |
| Andy80 | anyone have any idea? | 18:29 |
| talig1 | qwerty - could you elaborate? | 18:30 |
| fiferboy | talig1: What do you have for the category in your debian/control file? | 18:30 |
| talig1 | slonopotamus - 'it' - the application manager, the internet tablet - choose whatever suits you. | 18:31 |
| fiferboy | talig1: Try putting "user/desktop" in your "category" section in debian/control | 18:31 |
| slonopotamus | talig1, does your packkage install with apt-get? | 18:31 |
| talig1 | fiferboy - thanks, trying. | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Are you still working on OBS? | 18:33 |
| * lbt nods | 18:33 | |
| lbt | bash runs.. :) | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | Real bash? | 18:34 |
| lbt | yeah | 18:34 |
| lbt | all that work and now bash runs ! | 18:34 |
| fiferboy | That's really the pinacle of all acheivement | 18:35 |
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| * lbt bows | 18:35 | |
| Myrtti | EMACS FOR MAEMO! that's a real GOAL to be achieved | 18:36 |
| * Myrtti hides | 18:36 | |
| Myrtti | surely someone has done it already, though? | 18:36 |
| jeremiah | Yes, emacs has been ported I think, somewhere | 18:36 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Yep, there's a Garage project. Not Hildonized, however. | 18:37 |
| jeremiah | It is the only ONE TRUE EDITOR. | 18:37 |
| fiferboy | Hildonizing emacs sounds like a job for qwerty... | 18:37 |
| * lbt has it on Mer | 18:37 | |
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| qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: vim user :P | 18:38 |
| lbt | little do you know that Mer 1.5 will be ported to lisp | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | can I haz mah pink-bliss.el? | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | ♥ | 18:38 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Is it... mer-in-ized? | 18:38 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Me too :) | 18:38 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, why did you CC quim on 4831? | 18:38 |
| Myrtti | vim pft | 18:38 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: random act of violence :) | 18:39 |
| timeless_mbp | ignore it | 18:39 |
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| talig | fiferboy: tried, installed (thanks!) - but no icon anywhere :( Can't run it... | 18:41 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Do you install the desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon? | 18:42 |
| fiferboy | talig: And icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/hildon? | 18:42 |
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| talig | fiferboy: I followed the howto: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html | 18:43 |
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| fiferboy | talig: Are you running Diablo on your device? | 18:44 |
| talig | fiferboy - indeed. | 18:44 |
| fiferboy | talig: Is your desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon on the device? | 18:45 |
| talig | fiferboy: Nope. I'll have to figure out what does wrong in the packaging process, I guess... | 18:46 |
| fiferboy | talig: If you use an archiver to open the deb file you can look at the contents of the tarballs inside | 18:47 |
| talig | Fiferboy: Thanks yet again | 18:47 |
| fiferboy | talig: No problem | 18:47 |
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| lbt | Myrtti: jeremiah: http://imagebin.ca/view/AtBxx5.html | 18:50 |
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| Myrtti | ooo purty | 18:50 |
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| lbt | no v-keyboard ... but this is emacs... just looking is enough | 18:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Tried the GTK emacs? It may do VKB | 18:52 |
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| lbt | hmm | 18:53 |
| jeremiah | sopi: Are you around? | 18:53 |
| jeremiah | sopi: I need to install some perl modules on garage. | 18:53 |
| sopi | yes, i'm here. | 18:53 |
| sopi | jeremiah: should be fine. | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | sopi: Is it alright to install three perl modules on garage? They are small and it shouldn't impact any other process. :) | 18:54 |
| jeremiah | sopi: Cool. I'll do it now and tell you how it goes. . . | 18:54 |
| sopi | jeremiah: yes, nothing in GForge works with perl. thanks for letting me know. | 18:54 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: your patch to compile Tear under Mer is in the Tear SVN now | 19:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: have you managed to get audio working on any Mer thing? | 19:03 |
| talig | fiferboy: Ok, it installed and I have the icon, but it doesn't run :'( Any idea where I should look? | 19:03 |
| * timeless_mbp wants to consider making a cp for it | 19:03 | |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: thanks | 19:03 |
| fiferboy | talig: Does it run from the terminal? | 19:03 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: just ALSA on a tablet using the dsp-modules from diablo and the tablet-sound package | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: does that honor the nokia sound settings? | 19:04 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: No, because Nokia's stuff is closed and I don't see why anyone would want to use it TBH... | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | ok :) | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | does alsa have its own settings? | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm just trying to pick something to do | 19:05 |
| timeless_mbp | how about "date and time" ? | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | date and time is open afaik, johnx was a bit on it but he's busy | 19:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, zenity make a calendar easy | 19:07 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for a time picker | 19:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | zenity doesn't seem to do time input :( | 19:08 |
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| flexxxv | someone on? | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 19:08 |
| Myrtti | sudo make me a manicure | 19:08 |
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| flexxxv | :P Anybody knows were to find high resulution n800 shematics? | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | 19:09 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | They don't exist on the internetz :( | 19:09 |
| flexxxv | I cant read the text here:http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ | 19:09 |
| flexxxv | :( | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | get better glasses? :P | 19:10 |
| flexxxv | dont think so | 19:10 |
| flexxxv | i need some higher dpi | 19:10 |
| flexxxv | :D :D :D | 19:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Know a worker at a local authorized Nokia center that is partial to bribery? | 19:12 |
| flexxxv | how about level 4&5 manuels | 19:12 |
| flexxxv | no | 19:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | nokia has an official policy against bribery :) | 19:13 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | like... you're not supposed to get caught? | 19:13 |
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| flexxxv | :-O | 19:13 |
| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: if it works as well as their one against leaks... :P | 19:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, the last time i saw a presentation on the policy, it was buggy | 19:14 |
| flexxxv | still hoping for a new stylus for my n800 here in Germany... | 19:15 |
| flexxxv | my local store cant get one | 19:15 |
| flexxxv | :-/ | 19:15 |
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| flexxxv | maybee I should open a thread in the forum for request, mybee someone have :D | 19:16 |
| flexxxv | and maybee I should ask him:http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=446 (today on hackaday) | 19:18 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 19:21 | |
| timeless_mbp | mer doesn't include curl | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | does python include an http library? | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | yes, three of them, at least | 19:22 |
| timeless_mbp | 3?! | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | for getting files, urllib or urllib2 is best | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | for raw http, there's httplib | 19:22 |
| mgedmin | urllib2 has fancy features like supporting cookies and http auth | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i want to download a fixed url into a string (not to a file) | 19:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i only need a tiny part of that file | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | a_string = urllib.urlopen('http://www.example.com/').read() | 19:23 |
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| mgedmin | if it's a huge file and you need a tiny part, there's a way to supply a Range: http request header somehow | 19:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't really know the range, the file is http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx | 19:24 |
| mgedmin | are you reinventing ntpdate? | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | okay | 19:25 |
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| mgedmin | a regexp would be quickest, maybe | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'd rather make a rdate call or something | 19:26 |
| timeless_mbp | rdate? | 19:26 |
| mgedmin | there are many http and xml parsers available for python; they deal with ill-formed real-world html with various levels of success | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/r/rdate.html | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | ar, no, time.nist.gov doesn't do rdate anymore | 19:26 |
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| flexxxv | I hava an other question: If i have inserted a internal sd in my n800 on startup i cant acces (the cards shows up emty), but if i remove, close the case, open again and put the card again I can access without problems. Only the internal slot has that kind of probs... (I think it is a software problem). I reay dont want to reflash because everyhing else is just working perfekly | 19:30 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | flexxxv: My N800 started to exhibit the same behaviour after inserting a dodgy SD in the external slot. Reflashed, and it still does it. I just live with it, thankful that the slot still works :) | 19:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | actually, i'm not sure that's really so important right now | 19:33 |
| timeless_mbp | the bigger problem is that i can't find any easy way to make a time widget | 19:34 |
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| wazd_n800 | now it's my turn to ride the train | 19:37 |
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| flexxxv | qwerty good that you tell me so I'm not going to try this :D (I am very happy with the current setup) but I realy would like to know why this is going on! | 19:47 |
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| thux | ot does any pc lap have backlight keyboard like macbook suppose to have? | 19:50 |
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| wazd_n800 | vaio's | 19:53 |
| thux | thanks | 19:54 |
| wazd_n800 | better buy macbook and install win/lin =) | 19:54 |
| wazd_n800 | It would be cheaper for US | 19:55 |
| thux | oh is vaio that expensive | 19:56 |
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| wazd_n800 | yep, but their design is much less bpring than macbook's | 19:56 |
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| jeez_ | fiferboy, lbt: ok, now I'm testing your fremantle packages. After installing libqt4-gui, core and opengl from extras-devel (4.5.2) all I got when running a example with "graphicssystem raster" is: "./collidingmice: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/graphicssystems/libqglgraphicssystem.so: undefined symbol: _ZN17QGLGraphicsSystemC1Ev" | 20:24 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: This is in scratchbox? | 20:24 |
| jeez_ | well, and for installing libqt4-opengl I had to add the Nokia binaries repository so I could install libgles2 | 20:24 |
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| jeez_ | fiferboy: yes, and also in the omap3 | 20:24 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: What cpu-transparency method are you using in scratchbox? | 20:25 |
| jeez_ | fiferboy: qemu-arm-sb | 20:26 |
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| fiferboy | jeez_: Try using qemu-arm-cvs-m | 20:27 |
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| fiferboy | jeez_: That makes a difference for me in compiling Qt in scratchbox, but if you already got it compiled it might not change things for you | 20:27 |
| jeez_ | yes, I managed to compile it | 20:27 |
| jeez_ | and now I'm trying qt-maemo packages | 20:28 |
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| fiferboy | jeez_: Ah. Again I have never run opengl or fremantle binaries | 20:29 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: Did you manage to get a hold of Antonio? | 20:29 |
| jeez_ | no, I didn't | 20:29 |
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| jeez_ | well, maybe is time to mail him | 20:29 |
| jeez_ | thanks fiferboy | 20:29 |
| fiferboy | jeez_: I know Antonio has been running the fremantle binaries | 20:30 |
| jeez_ | lbt: what about you ? | 20:31 |
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| lardman | hey javispedro | 20:32 |
| javispedro | helo | 20:32 |
| coldboot | How would I change libqtgui4's debian package dependency? I made a 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 version, but I want it to depend on 4.5.0-1maemo2 instead of 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 | 20:33 |
| coldboot | I know how to do it manually. | 20:33 |
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| javispedro | btw, lardman, do you have a 770? | 20:35 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: In debian/control there is a ${binary:Version} variable, I think that controls it | 20:35 |
| lardman | yes I do | 20:35 |
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| javispedro | did you try the whole experiment on it? | 20:35 |
| lardman | no, I was testing on the n800 iirc | 20:36 |
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| javispedro | just curious; being an older device it may have a more complete implementation of dbx | 20:37 |
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| lardman | javispedro: I'll certainly have a look, but probably not for a couple of days I'm afraid | 20:37 |
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| javispedro | don't worry :) | 20:38 |
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| lardman | hmm, not sure my scratchbox messing about has worked too well, reboot time | 20:46 |
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| slonopotamus | i officially hate autotools. checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no | 20:49 |
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| mgedmin | :) | 20:51 |
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| mgedmin | there is one Python package that actually uses a bit of *fortran* in the sources | 20:51 |
| mgedmin | I don't remember which one --- matplotlib perhaps? | 20:51 |
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| slonopotamus | mgedmin, that doesn't explain why every f*cking package searches for it. oh, and 32768 commandline args | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | and grep that handles long lines and -E switch | 20:53 |
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| slonopotamus | i had a wonderful time trying to compile gnu grep in busybox environment. its configure script wanted gnu grep. | 20:53 |
| mgedmin | :) | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | besty place to get a car charger from? | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | Oh, no.... it is starting the INTERnet! | 21:36 |
| RST38h | (DECnet has been started a while ago) | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | you're putting up a VAX or? :P | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | yep | 21:39 |
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| esaym153 | ugh, where are some n810's in stock at besides ebay | 21:59 |
| jhford | after flashing an n810 with an image that I have generated and the shutdown screen looks like it isn't using the hildon ui stuff | 21:59 |
| mgedmin | there's a shutdown screen? | 22:01 |
| * mgedmin never shuts his n810 down | 22:01 | |
| esaym153 | mgedmin: sell me your n810 | 22:01 |
| vasily_pupkin | ololo! | 22:01 |
| toggles_1 | yeah, min needs rebooting daily | 22:01 |
| vasily_pupkin | max(uptime)=5d | 22:01 |
| vasily_pupkin | :D | 22:01 |
| RST38h | that's about right | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | point | 22:02 |
| LinuxCode | mine dies every so often, as it runs out of power hehe | 22:02 |
| RST38h | runs out of battery pretty fast, but I found it is due to wifi | 22:02 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "-> 1 4 days, 22:16:33 | Linux 2.6.21-omap1 Wed Jul 22 21:43:48 2009" | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | rebooting I do | 22:02 |
| RST38h | never need to reboot though | 22:02 |
| toggles_1 | qwerty12_N810: cat /etc/*elease* | 22:02 |
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| RST38h | have to kill browserd processes every now and then | 22:03 |
| * mgedmin charges his every night, except the day before yesterday when he forgot and the n810 was dead in the morning | 22:03 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | toggles_1: diablo | 22:03 |
| toggles_1 | qwerty12_N810: traitor! | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Fuck, it is one of the MOV* instructions | 22:03 |
| jhford | is there a way that I can access the raw mtd devices on the n810 without the os being on | 22:03 |
| lcuk | im sure a hammer and chisel could give required access | 22:04 |
| jhford | :( | 22:05 |
| jhford | when i press the shut down button, the question about whether i want to turn off the device uses GTK plain (win95 style) buttons | 22:06 |
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| Stskeeps | installed powerlaunch or something? | 22:07 |
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| jhford | i don't care what it looks like (they are automated, no humans use them) i just want to make sure that it isn't broken | 22:10 |
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| lcuk | jhford, working for skynet? | 22:13 |
| jhford | haha | 22:13 |
| jhford | now | 22:13 |
| jhford | *no | 22:13 |
| lcuk | how come humans dont use them? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | and it does beg the question of who does use em | 22:13 |
| lcuk | and whether they would care if the buttons are themed | 22:14 |
| jhford | automated performance testing | 22:14 |
| jhford | i dont care that the buttons are themed, i care that there might be something wrong with my rootfs image | 22:14 |
| lcuk | i cant say ive ever noticed, i always just press the button till it shutsdown | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | what kind of firmware do you have? | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | the power menu on stock os2008 is definitely themed like the rest of the UI | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | jhford, is your testing anything like this: http://conversations.nokia.com/rugged/ | 22:21 |
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| jhford | no, unfortunately :P | 22:21 |
| javispedro | do they want me to believe that a "little" phone like that on the video can survive a golf club? | 22:25 |
| javispedro | i've seen balls crushed | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | my n810 can certainly take a severe beating | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:27 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps, I've recently discovered why Apple tends to talk about their "MagSafe" so much | 22:28 |
| javispedro | my N810 helped a lot on that "research" | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | the golf club one isnt so extreme | 22:29 |
| lcuk | it depends on the angle of attack | 22:29 |
| jhford | he didnt whack into it hard enough | 22:29 |
| lcuk | still.. an iphone would shatter - there has to be similar forces there to dropping from desk | 22:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: where have you seen balls crushed? is there a video? | 22:29 |
| javispedro | RST38h, personal experience ;) | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | NO! | 22:30 |
| lcuk | RST38h, specialist BDSM websites | 22:30 |
| RST38h | oh. sorry. | 22:30 |
| mgedmin | I'm in the middle of "nokia phone versus X" and suddenly "youtube is down for maintenance" | 22:30 |
| javispedro | joking | 22:30 |
| lcuk | hah! | 22:30 |
| lcuk | its a google conspiracy! | 22:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Naah, the accidentality of it is what I am looking for =) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you took far too long to mention experience | 22:31 |
| lcuk | err joking | 22:31 |
| mavhc | iphone is for people who a) want a smartphone they can use or b) want to go where all the apps are | 22:32 |
| javispedro | Nokia phone vs YouTube | 22:32 |
| lcuk | mavhc but there are rebels in the force! | 22:33 |
| RST38h | mavhc: iphone is shiny. | 22:33 |
| mgedmin | iphone is for people who have a poor saving throw against shiny | 22:33 |
| lcuk | people are not entirely happy with apples tight reign on their devices | 22:33 |
| RST38h | mgedmin speaketh the truth | 22:33 |
| * lcuk likes shiny stuff :) | 22:33 | |
| mgedmin | I think only the requirement of having iTunes to activate one saved me from getting one | 22:33 |
| lcuk | and slidey stuff | 22:33 |
| mgedmin | iTunes doesn't run on Linux | 22:33 |
| lcuk | activate in store :) | 22:34 |
| mavhc | activate and use | 22:34 |
| mavhc | there are 2 kinds of people: those who think error messages aren't detailed enough, and those who just don't read them, iphone is for the 2nd group | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Buy and jailbreak immediately | 22:34 |
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| javispedro | wtf | 22:35 |
| lcuk | jailborkened loses itunes support doesnt it | 22:35 |
| javispedro | 3 meters and the iphone shits itself? | 22:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Who cares? | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | people who buy iphones lol | 22:35 |
| lcuk | they didnt mostly buy it to hack with it | 22:35 |
| mavhc | does it break the app store? | 22:35 |
| RST38h | iTunes is another corporate toilet plunger they try to stick into you | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | better to be the plunger than the plungee | 22:37 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: With iTunes, you are the plungee. | 22:42 |
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| mavhc | still, better for most people | 22:47 |
| RST38h | People who are stupid enough to organize their mp3 files | 22:48 |
| lcuk | nothing wrong with it | 22:48 |
| lcuk | people like order and arranging things | 22:49 |
| lcuk | and everyone has their own favorite way :) | 22:49 |
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| mavhc | seems like there's 3 classes of users: ones who buy a computer managed by a company, eg iphone, ones who want root access, and ones who get their computer managed by their friend who has root | 22:49 |
| lcuk | its just like books or real albums and collections of all sorts :) | 22:49 |
| RST38h | why do you need to manage computer at all? | 22:49 |
| mavhc | because you want root | 22:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I can do it without itunes | 22:50 |
| lcuk | whats root? | 22:50 |
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| mavhc | you can't do anything you want and have it managed, without pay a lot anyway | 22:50 |
| RST38h | really? | 22:51 |
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| mavhc | most people shouldn't have root on their computers, they'll just screw them up, get viruses, etc | 22:52 |
| lcuk | 0thank god windows doesnt come with root! i would be worried about gettin a virus | 22:52 |
| mavhc | thanks for ignoring the point | 22:53 |
| lcuk | just a min ago you said you wanted it | 22:53 |
| lcuk | then you changed mind | 22:53 |
| mavhc | iphone you can only install approved apps, no viruses, auto updates, etc | 22:53 |
| wazd_n800 | thanks to dumb win developers that can't code their shit properly so it's not working without root. | 22:54 |
| mavhc | I want it, I don't want the rest of my family to have it, they're not computer experts | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | how would you decide whether to give someone root or not | 22:55 |
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| mavhc | they decide by installing linux instead of iphone os | 22:55 |
| lcuk | so root users arent allowed any shiney things | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | what if theres an app on itunes to show uptime | 22:56 |
| lcuk | or one to give ls directories | 22:56 |
| lcuk | or running apt for you | 22:56 |
| mavhc | be more generic | 22:56 |
| mavhc | iphoneos is an example | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | at what level do YOU need root - and could it be supplied by pretty app within iphone/maemo | 22:57 |
| lcuk | so you dont need root | 22:57 |
| lcuk | different people have different expectations of the backend | 22:58 |
| lcuk | some folks think just having a terminal window is hardcore | 22:58 |
| wazd_n800 | to root or not to root... | 22:58 |
| RST38h | having root isn't really necessary | 22:58 |
| RST38h | and not having root does not mean some company should be permanently watching over your device | 22:58 |
| lcuk | agreed | 22:58 |
| mavhc | 99% of people don't need, and shouldn't have, root on their computer, because it breaks things, gives you viruses, etc | 22:58 |
| lcuk | maemo is a prime example | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Most network routers live all their lives without anyone rooting them | 22:59 |
| lcuk | majority of users never have to gainroot | 22:59 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, unless it's google :) | 22:59 |
| RST38h | Google has no access to my machine either | 23:01 |
| RST38h | No Picasa. No Google stripbar..errr...searchbar | 23:01 |
| mavhc | no using google.com | 23:01 |
| RST38h | using google.com is ok | 23:01 |
| lcuk | thats not "inside" the machine | 23:01 |
| mavhc | what about evil cookies! | 23:01 |
| lcuk | om nom nom | 23:01 |
| RST38h | whatever I entrust to google.com I do not much care about | 23:02 |
| lcuk | got any milk? | 23:02 |
| esaym153 | I got balls of steel | 23:02 |
| RST38h | do they make good cowbells? | 23:02 |
| mavhc | how do you reproduce? | 23:02 |
| wazd_n800 | I hate google update, which stays on your PC after uninstalling google earth and any google software | 23:02 |
| mavhc | google update or google updater | 23:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: I removed it manually | 23:02 |
| lcuk | i'm guessin iron filings | 23:03 |
| RST38h | took some effort but it is gone now | 23:03 |
| mavhc | google updater is a package manager for windows | 23:03 |
| wazd_n800 | dunno exactly, justidle process working on my machine all the time, waitingfor it's time xD | 23:04 |
| mavhc | google update is a scheduled task to update chrome and stuff | 23:04 |
| mavhc | update is open source | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | whatever it is, open or closed, it is cancer | 23:04 |
| mavhc | which and why? | 23:05 |
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| RST38h | anything that runs in the background not doing useful work should be killed | 23:05 |
| mavhc | it does useful work, it updates apps | 23:05 |
| RST38h | I did not ask it | 23:05 |
| RST38h | And I have all the apps uninstalled | 23:06 |
| mavhc | so uninstall it | 23:06 |
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| mavhc | in theory it'll keep software updated even though noone with root logs in, which is good | 23:07 |
| RST38h | Sorry, I do not want stray processes "updating" apps | 23:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | and it runs as SYSTEM? | 23:08 |
| RST38h | If an app wants to update itself, let it check for updates on startup and ask me | 23:08 |
| mavhc | so package management is a bad idea? every app should check for updates itself? | 23:08 |
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| RST38h | On windows yes | 23:08 |
| mavhc | why? | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Linux runs system wide package update manager every now and then | 23:09 |
| mavhc | also selecting an infected pfd file can infect you without loading acrobat | 23:09 |
| RST38h | What does it have to do with the topic? | 23:09 |
| RST38h | Returning to our sheep, I see no difference between Google applications and Google Update | 23:10 |
| RST38h | So from my point of view, Google installs an app that runs in background for no good reason | 23:10 |
| RST38h | And I want it gone. Period. | 23:10 |
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| mavhc | which app? | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | Google Updater | 23:13 |
| RST38h | Or Update, whatever | 23:14 |
| mavhc | they're completely different | 23:14 |
| RST38h | If either of them runs in background, I want it gone. | 23:14 |
| vasily_pupkin | what you are talk about? | 23:14 |
| RST38h | vasily: mavhc is trying to persuade me that Google is running background processes for my own good | 23:14 |
| mavhc | google update is a scheduled task, and uninstalls itself, and is open source, so that's fine | 23:14 |
| RST38h | vasily: I am saying that I want this crap gone. | 23:14 |
| vasily_pupkin | oh shi | 23:15 |
| mavhc | google updater is a package management system that has an uninstall item on the start menu, so that's fine | 23:15 |
| vasily_pupkin | i think we need remove GU and install dpkg there :D | 23:15 |
| RST38h | Well, as long as software updates are done by the system itself, it is ok | 23:16 |
| RST38h | But various apps running self-update background processes are a cancer | 23:16 |
| mavhc | apt-win | 23:16 |
| mavhc | so you'd want one app to update everything, say googleupdater.exe | 23:17 |
| vasily_pupkin | self-update is pagan magic | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Agreed. Ever encountered Adobe Updater BTW? That one starts up with any Adobe product you run | 23:17 |
| mavhc | good thing too, adobe software is full of holes | 23:17 |
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| RST38h | qwerty: Yes, I usually kill it in the registry | 23:17 |
| sneakret | Seems off-topic for #maemo. | 23:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | sneakret: Welcome to #maemo. | 23:18 |
| mavhc | having a pdf on your system without running it can infect you, thanks adobe | 23:18 |
| RST38h | sneakret: Would you rather have us discuss the latets n9x0 tablet from Nokia? | 23:18 |
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| RST38h | Oh...wait...it is not out yet... | 23:18 |
| mavhc | or the latest OS update from nokia | 23:18 |
| RST38h | mavhc: having a file on my system that isn't being opened or executed cannot infect me. | 23:18 |
| RST38h | Period. | 23:18 |
| vasily_pupkin | latest - as of end of last year? )) | 23:18 |
| RST38h | vasily: No, the very latest update that finally makes Modest and MicroB usable! | 23:19 |
| wazd_n800 | RST38h, google runs hidden background process for your own good. Obey or die :) | 23:19 |
| vasily_pupkin | holy shit! | 23:19 |
| mavhc | RST38h: it's opened by explorer, which is dll linked to acrobat for extented info | 23:19 |
| RST38h | wazd: I prefer self-surgery | 23:19 |
| vasily_pupkin | is that possible? O_O | 23:19 |
| RST38h | vasily: no. | 23:19 |
| vasily_pupkin | yeh ^_^ | 23:19 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: ping | 23:25 |
| lcuk | \o | 23:26 |
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| slonopotamus | •Δ• | 23:26 |
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| wazd_n800 | ≥≤ | 23:27 |
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| jhford | does anyone have a good guide for setting up mmc booting available | 23:47 |
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| talig | Anybody had any experience with packaging python to .deb packages? [for Maemo Diablo]? | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | jhford, on the maemo wiki | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | talig, khertan has an on maemo python packaging tool | 23:52 |
| jhford | lcuk: thanks | 23:52 |
| talig | lcuk: khertan? | 23:52 |
| talig | lcuk: Thanks. Googled, downloading. let's see what gives | 23:53 |
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| talig | lcuk: I'm on Khertan's website. It looks like the tool is gone :( | 23:56 |
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