IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2009-07-26

jakemaheui have ressurected my tablet form the dead00:01
jakemaheu./flasher -f -n initfs.jffs2 -R00:02
Proteousdark, dark magic00:02
jakemaheulinux, baby00:02
jakemaheueverything is back to normal00:02
lbtok - so somehow it screwed up your initfs00:02
jakemaheutime to try again00:02
lbttry again then...00:02
jakemaheuoh dear00:02
jakemaheu14.1% battery00:02
jakemaheushould prolly plug it in before i start00:02
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lbtand it's been on charge?00:03
jakemaheuendless reboots tend to kill a battery if it doesn't charge00:03
lbtis it possible it shutdown during the flash?00:03
jakemaheui doubt it00:03
woglindelbt you better wont do it00:03
jakemaheui'll do it and tell you what happens00:03
lbtwoglinde: ?00:04
jakemaheui go into utils -> instal bootmenu00:04
jakemaheu2gb sd card is in internal slot00:04
* lbt watches ncurses build... again!00:04
jakemaheuclose all apps: check00:04
jakemaheudisconnect from wifi: check00:04
lcuklbt, surely it would be more fun watching nurses00:05
jakemaheu5mb free space: check00:05
lcuk(which is what i thought you said lol)00:05
lbtin a tiny diecast ambulance...00:05
jakemaheuknow how to reflash device: lol yeah00:05
lcuk:D hah00:05
jakemaheuaree you sure to continue: y00:05
lcukit wasnt no matchbox car00:05
lcukthis was a big heffa00:05
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jakemaheucreate backup of current initfs: y00:05
lcukserious ingot of solid cast iron00:05
jakemaheu***creating backup + lots of text***00:06
lbtjakemaheu: still listening00:06
jakemaheuit's backing it up still00:06
lcukjakemaheu, i cannot believe you have navigated the pathway00:06
lcukthats some serious linuxfoo you are showing00:06
jakemaheuwhy thank you00:07
jakemaheui can use a console easily enough, and i know some BASH scripting00:07
jakemaheubut for anything involving REAL progamming, i'd be screwed00:07
jakemaheuexcept for simple python >.<00:07
lcuki use linux console like i play text adventures00:07
lcuki give up after about 5 commands and start seeing what swear words it knows00:08
jakemaheui lol'd hard00:08
Macerany of the mer guys here mind if i host some of your stuff?00:08
Maceron ?00:08
jakemaheu"press enter to continue"00:08
Macerstill working on it :)00:08
jakemaheu*presses enter*00:08
lbtMacer: ?00:08
jakemaheu*** copying current initfs***00:08
Macerlbt: i won't get hit with an lgpl suit?00:08
ProteousSure, you can download an Outlook configuration file from rackspace that will configure outlook to connect to your email account. If you don't have Outlook on your laptop you can download it from:
Macerif i put some mer stuff on there?00:08
ProteousI'm not sure if that link will work for you. Let me know if it doesn't.00:08
ProteousYou can download the Outlook config file by clicking on "Manage My Account" on when you are logging in. If you mouse over your email account name at the top of the page it will bring down a menu. Go to settings and select Outlook. That page has instructions one how to run the config file from different versions of Outlook.00:09
Proteousthe perls of right click paste00:09
Maceri'm still finishing the wordpress install00:09
lbtwhat are you thinking of?00:09
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Maceroh nothing. just goign to put my favorite mobile apps on it00:10
Macerfigured mer should be on there ;)00:10
lcukProteous, it would only be fail if you had private stuffs00:10
Maceralong with android hackoring tips00:10
Macerand other misc arm based product updates00:10
lcukmind you, knowing how to use outlook is a tad odd ;)00:10
jakemaheu"remove unneeded extra (and factory testing) stuff?" y00:10
Macerlike my vaporware touch book that i'm still waiting on00:10
Proteouseveryone needs instructions on how to install and configure Outlook with rackspace hosted email!!00:10
lbtoh, gotcha00:10
Macerbut i am still working on the site now00:10
ProteousIT'S CRITICAL INFO!!00:10
Macerit should be done tomorrow and ready for me to put stuff on it00:10
Macerhave to test it out wtih actual files heh00:10
lbtnot binaries though?00:10
jakemaheuinstall telnet server for network recovery: y00:10
lcuki know, we get asked most days how to configure email00:10
Macerlbt: not sure yet00:10
Maceri am going ot try that in a few minutes00:11
lbtwe don't want to encourage a raft of repos - that really hurt maemo00:11
jakemaheuinstall dropbear ssh server for advanced network recovery: y00:11
lbtI mean we can't stop you :)00:11
jakemaheuok, dropbear added00:11
jakemaheuno dropbear in rootfs, server keys will be generated on each boot00:11
lbtbut links ensure things stay up-to-date00:11
jakemaheusearching for optional bootmenu.conf in /etc00:12
Macerlbt: oh no00:12
Maceri'm not trying to make a repo00:12
Macerat the most i'd probably just keep the bins on there to be flashed00:12
Maceror something like that00:12
Macermaybe the latest ver of mer00:12
Macerver of mer :)00:12
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jakemaheu"/etc/bootmenu.conf found, do you want to add it to initfs?" y00:13
lbtIt wouldn't hurt to mirror the images00:13
lbtstskeeps' machine has been known to be flakey... though we have a new one from goshawk now00:13
jakemaheuwait, should i edit bootmenu.conf?00:14
jakemaheubefore adding it to initfs?00:15
jakemaheulbt: does it need to be editied?00:16
lbtI'd ssh in00:16
jakemaheuright now?00:16
lbtoh, wait00:16
lbtmemory says00:16
lbtthat there's no need for an entry for flash00:17
lbtso no worries00:17
jakemaheualright, the ni'll type "y"00:17
jakemaheu*then i'll00:17
jakemaheuok, bootmenu.conf added00:17
lbtwhat country are you in BTW... just checking...00:17
jakemaheuupdating /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item: no such file or directory00:18
jakemaheuthe US00:18
lbtcool, that's far enough away... carry on.00:18
jakemaheucp: cannot stat '/etc/bootmenu.d/*.item': no such file or directory00:18
Macerlbt: well.. once i'm done working on it i'll test it out and see what happens00:18
Macerhopeuflly i can find a bin plugin00:19
Macerto put the bins directly in the posts00:19
Macerbut who knows00:19
lbtjakemaheu: ok - there's nothing there yet. it shoudn't matter00:19
jakemaheucreating /var/tmp/initfs.bootmenu.jffs200:19
Macerotherwise i can just link them.. but that'll take longer ;)00:19
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jakemaheumkfs.jffs2: write: no space left on device00:19
Maceri have a few TB of space to do so though ;)00:19
jakemaheu(crap crap crap)00:19
jakemaheupart 2: ready for flashing this image?00:20
jakemaheui don't think so00:20
lbtI think your rootfs is full00:20
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jakemaheuthe device's memory is full?00:20
jakemaheulemme check00:20
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jakemaheudisk space 3.5mb/249.5mb00:20
jakemaheudisk space 3.5mb/249.5mb00:20
jakemaheuit was like 10mb before00:21
jakemaheui gotta find some space00:21
lbtit's a compressing FS so they are estimates00:21
* lbt builds nCurses again...00:22
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jakemaheuwhere has all my space gone?00:23
lbtdu -sh *00:23
lbtuseful in this situation00:23
lbtstart in home00:23
lbtdon't forget .files00:23
jakemaheujust a sec00:23
lbtactually in  $HOME you want du -sh .??* *00:24
jakemaheulemme delete the 150spam emails00:24
jakemaheuthere we go, 150 spam emails deleted00:25
jakemaheunow into the terminal00:25
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jakemaheuthere's 4.6mb in .liqbase00:27
jakemaheulcuk: any chance of saving images to the normal images folder?00:28
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jakemaheuHOLY CRAP00:28
jakemaheu58.9M modest00:28
lcukthats not modest00:28
jakemaheuTHAT EXPLAINS A LOT00:28
lcuknahh doesnt00:29
lcukas for images in normal folder, that would involve a patch and changes to classic that i havent done in a while and qwerty found a decent solution - use a symlink00:29
jakemaheui used symlinks when i was using kismet00:30
jakemaheuit generated TONS of log files00:30
lcuk4.6mb in liqbase tho, is that all images, or do you sketch lots too00:30
jakemaheui sketch quite a bit00:31
wndbtw how does mediacrawler get along with symlinks nowadays?00:31
jakemaheuthere should be some pics too00:31
lcukcategorization and grouping is looking better than ever00:32
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jakemaheui found where quite a bit of stuff is00:32
lcukand the graffiti wall now contains images00:32
lcukas well as other stuff00:32
jakemaheuin "/home/user/.modest/cache/mail/pop/jak+jakemaheu.com_mail.jakemaheu.com_110_cache"00:33
* lcuk has 107mb in his liqbase folder00:33
jakemaheuthere's tons of folders with cache files in em00:33
jakemaheucan they be deleted?00:33
lcuki never delete anything00:33
jakemaheuthere are 3f folders00:33
jakemaheuthat is to say: 00-39 then 3a-3f00:34
lcukif your modest stuff *IS* just a cache cant you delete it easily00:34
jakemaheuoh my god00:34
jakemaheuthere's so much data herre00:34
jakemaheui'm gonna delete the folders00:34
jakemaheuwish me lcuk00:35
lcukfsck that, you are in control of the button00:35
* lcuk gets some popcorn00:35
jakemaheutime to do some rm magic00:36
lcukjakemaheu, my rule of thumb about deletions is: would you take them out of a building if it was on fire00:36
lcuki like having my entire devkit on something i can carry :)00:36
jakemaheui wouldn't take cache files out00:37
lbtI like having my entire devkit on a RAID00:37
jakemaheui can redownload every email from my server00:37
jakemaheualright then00:38
jakemaheutime for rm00:38
* lcuk passes lbt some popcorn00:38
jakemaheuit took me like 3 minutes to get to the folder in xterm00:38
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* lbt munches and passes the tub along00:38
* jakemaheu types rm -r *.*00:39
jakemaheuwow fail00:39
* jakemaheu types rm -r *00:39
jakemaheunow it worked00:39
jakemaheuall those cache files are gone00:40
|thunderHey all, anyone know of a breakout cable for the audio port of a n8x0 ?00:41
jakemaheutime to rerun the setup00:41
jakemaheufree space: 51.5M00:42
|thunderI want to plug a seperate mic and speakers from the n800, anyone know if this is doable ?00:42
jakemaheuerm, maybe00:42
jakemaheuif you have one of the 3-ridge plugs00:43
|thunderlike, a 4 pin male phono to a 3 pin for headphone and a 2 pin for mic ?00:43
Macerlbt: where can i download mer bins?00:43
Macerlike the install stuff?00:43
Maceri need to test and see if i can just set up a local link within wordpress to allow people to download it :)00:43
|thunderjakemaheu; Its the regular one on the n800, with integrated mic. I'd like to break it out to 2 female phono connectors.00:43
|thunderMacer, what you trying to do ?00:44
jakemaheufor Macer00:44
lbtMacer: I think linking to the wiki pages makes more sense to start00:44
|thunderMacer, trying to make a file on your web server publicly available ?00:44
Macerjakemaheu: thank you00:44
Macer|thunder: sure00:44
Macertrying it now00:44
Macertrying to make it accessable from wordpress00:45
|thunderMacer, just change the permission to allow public read access00:45
|thunderchmod 771 ./file00:45
jakemaheuunless wordpress still has that annoying bug where you can't use any files without modifying the .htaaccess file00:45
Macerjakemaheu: heh... yeah00:46
|thunderno, change permission and just make a direct link. (if its in a server folder)00:46
Macer|thunder: that is what i'm going to do00:46
Maceri'm just going to add a dir in the vhost dir00:46
Macerand add files to it and direct link them00:46
Macerhopefully that just works ;)00:46
|thunderthey have to be at least chmod 111 though00:47
|thunderto allow reading00:47
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|thunderI really want to breakout this audio port. I want to be able to call people via SIP from teamspeak, lol00:48
Macerwtf? :)00:48
Macerit's actually reading the file instead of downloading it :)00:48
Maceri guess because the file is just ascii?00:49
|thunderwget "url"00:49
|thunderon linux00:49
Maceri know that will work00:49
Macerbut well.. blah. never mind00:49
|thunderits because of the extension00:49
Macersomeone should know how to right click on it ;)00:49
jakemaheuyou need to make the file type where it's like text/install00:49
Maceror i can just tarball it or something?00:49
Macerheh.. but that would probably not be a good idea00:50
Macerthe link isn't getting treated like a linke00:51
Macermaybe there is a plugin to do this stuff00:51
jakemaheuoh, MIME types00:52
jakemaheusweet, it looks like it flashed correctly this time00:52
jakemaheuIT WORKED00:53
|thunderi love evince for redaing books00:53
jakemaheuI LOVE LINUX00:53
|thunderme too00:53
Macerguess i missed something there :)00:53
jakemaheuexcept for ati00:53
|thundereric@amd64:~$ uptime00:53
|thunder 17:54:13 up 6 days, 48 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.0900:53
jakemaheubecause they suck because they dropped my card into legacy00:53
|thunderi <3 linux00:53
jakemaheuand 9.04 doesn't support the restricted driver for my card00:54
jakemaheuMacer: Do you have a cPanel?00:54
rm_youdid someone say it was time for rm? :P00:57
jakemaheu|thunder: i can beat yours01:00
jakemaheuroot@paul-laptop: uptime01:01
jakemaheu18:06:09 up 162 days, 4:35, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0001:01
jakemaheuwhat now?01:01
jakemaheuthat system gets used rarely, in unusual situations (like today)01:01
jakemaheui think that there should be a bug filed01:05
jakemaheuif you don't have enough space, it'll kill your tablet until you reflash01:06
|thundernice uptime jake01:06
|thunder1/3 of a year01:06
jakemaheuthank you01:06
rm_youI hate windoze, but my windoze uptime is 44 days right now <_<01:07
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rm_youand that's only cause of a power outage. lol01:08
rm_youmy gaming desktop ^^^01:08
jakemaheui just got a vista box (sff) hooked up to my tv (42" plasma)01:08
jakemaheuit's actually pretty nice01:08
|thunderaero vs compiz videos are so funny01:08
jakemaheui don't get what people have against vista01:08
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rm_youlinux server up 69 days >_>01:08
jakemaheui love compiz fusionj01:08
rm_youhard drive upgrade01:09
|thunderI just got a touch panel to tape to the front of my monitor so my 2 year old can play dora and calliou games....01:09
|thunder81 $ for 17"01:09
Macerjakemaheu: heh01:09
rm_youlol nice01:09
lbtlinux server up 23 years......  settimeofday()01:09
|thunderhsa external and usb header pins01:09
Macerjakemaheu: why would i need cpanel? :)01:09
jakemaheumy xp box goes down pretty often01:09
Macerthere.. that is starting to work out01:09
Macerdirect linking works fine01:09
jakemaheuMacer: to set MIME types01:09
jakemaheuyou could set text/install or whatever uses01:10
Macerwell.. that's unnecessary. if someone on an n8x0 uses the link it will just default to the install01:10
jakemaheubut my xp box goes down prety often because it's getting old and starting to sie01:10
Macerjakemaheu: or they can just right click on it and download it ;)01:10
jakemaheuit's getting harder to bring it back up each time01:11
Macerand from what lbt says.. another repository is just not a cool thing for mer to have01:11
Macerlbt: i'm running this on opensolaris ;)01:11
jakemaheuif it has a bad crash, it might give a system boot disk failure error01:11
jakemaheuit freaks me out01:11
Macerlbt: ok. i have the building blocks all there ;)01:12
jakemaheui can't afford new parts either01:12
lbtusing their new fs?01:12
jakemaheu(i'm 15)01:12
Macerlbt: new fs?01:12
Macerzfs is a few years old ;)01:12
Macerbut yes01:12
Macerzfs on top of an 8TB raid 501:12
lbtthat's bigger than mine01:13
jakemaheushould i do simple or advanced setup for mer?01:13
Macerwith zfs running the 2 OS drives off the onboard sata01:13
Maceropensolaris is A++++ as a server ;)01:13
Macerit sucks as a desktop tho01:13
Macereither that or gnome just kind of disgusts me01:13
Macernow that i think about it i haven't ran into a good enviroment yet for xorg that i .. no kidding.. liked01:14
jakemaheufor mer, are apps installed on the fat partition or the ext3 partition?01:14
rm_youMacer: beats my raid too :P01:14
rm_youFilesystem             Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on01:14
rm_you/dev/md0               4.0T   2.2T   1.8T  56% /media/md001:14
jakemaheuMacer: thanks01:14
Macerrm_you: heh.. well.. i just updated my business line01:14
Macerto 22down 5 up01:14
rm_youyeah that's what i have too <_<01:15
jakemaheumy hdd setup is painful01:15
Macerrm_you: i lose some of it because of reserve/raid501:15
Macerarchive   6.2T  2.5T  3.8T  40%01:15
rm_youyeah i'm down like 60G from ext3 reserve01:15
rm_youbut it rounds it out with -H01:15
Maceri might add a sas or something to add on to the existing raid01:15
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Macerbut that's later ;)01:16
Maceri can always just get an areca sas card and run it out and pair up the 2 in the system01:16
rm_youis that 5x2T drives?01:16
jakemaheui've got an 80GB for my main (almost full), a 200GB for storage (full), and a 60GB for more storage(1/2 full)01:16
Macer+ 2x80G for OS01:16
rm_you7TB raid01:16
Macer8TB raid5 ;)01:16
Macer1 drive = parity01:16
rm_youwhen I say 4Tb RAID01:17
rm_youi mean i have 5x1Tb drives01:17
Macerok :) i'll do the same from now on01:17
Macerbut then that makes my e-penis shrink01:17
jakemaheumy compy is IDE, not SATA, so not only is it hard to find big drives, they're really expensive01:17
rm_youuse -H instead of -h01:17
rm_youit helps :P01:17
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Macerjakemaheu: tell tehm to get some new hardware.. the cheap bastards :)01:18
Maceri mean at the very least you can always get a drobo01:18
ShadowJKjakemaheu, maybe you can find a IDE-SATA converter01:18
Maceri wonder if they have an esata drobo01:18
jakemaheumy entire compy is old01:18
Macerthey have to :)01:18
jakemaheui'm just strapping onto it01:18
jakemaheuhere's the specs01:18
ShadowJKor, you know, SATA PCI controllers cost about ten bucks...01:18
Macerah well.. i have that mer page going01:18
Maceri think that's all i'll do for the day01:18
MacerShadowJK: hahaha01:19
Maceri was about to say the same thing :)01:19
Macermaybe he lives in eastern europe01:19
Maceror hk :)01:19
Maceri have to find a better theme for thsi tech wordpress page01:19
Macerand more plugins i suppose01:19
jakemaheuamd athlon xp+ 2600, 1gb ddr ram, 80GB hd, 200GB hd, 60GB hd (all IDE), ati radeon x1300 pro01:20
jakemaheuStskeeps: If the Mer download server goes down, I'm gonna be mad.01:21
lcukthats a decent spec machine01:22
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rm_youxp+ is like 3 generations ago <_<01:23
jakemaheulcuk: lolwut?01:23
rm_youi mean, processesors havent gotten much better01:23
jakemaheuit's only 32bit01:23
rm_youbut the other hardware is dated01:23
jakemaheuyeah they have01:23
lcukwhen do you need 64bits?01:23
rm_youIE, lack of SATA01:23
rm_youor PCI-express01:23
lcukif the drives are humming along nicely and it does whats expected of it - its working01:23
jakemaheuthey have quad-core 64bit multithreaded cpus01:23
lcukthey have had multicore super cpus for decades01:24
jakemaheulcuk: except that i can't add anymore storage now and i need it01:24
jakemaheui torrent a LOT01:24
lcukand i havent seen any real advancements in compiler stuffs to make use of extra SLOWER cores01:24
rm_youyeah the XP+ series was a great series of procs01:24
rm_youbut it tells a lot about the REST of the system01:24
woglindelcuk some databases are better with 64bit01:24
jakemaheui do a lot of gaming01:24
jakemaheuand mapmaking01:24
lcukwoglinde, and those have been using 64bit now since ~2000 ish (or before)01:25
jakemaheucompiling maps is like amazingly faster on a new system01:25
rm_youif it uses multi-core, then yeah01:25
lcukwhat sort of maps?01:25
jakemaheuthe half-life 2: episode 2 engine uses multicore rendering01:25
* lcuk knows it will be WADS01:25
jakemaheulcuk: hl2:dm01:26
jakemaheubsp actually01:26
* lcuk loves hl201:26
lcukand portal01:26
jakemaheu<33333 me too!01:26
jakemaheuand tf201:26
rm_youeveryone and their mother loves portal :P01:26
jakemaheumy gf doesn't01:26
lcukno, my mum doesnt like it01:26
lcukshe wants something easier01:26
rm_youget a new GF01:26
Macer"Are you sure to continue?" - yes01:26
rm_youlcuk: get a new mother :P01:26
jakemaheushe wants to try TF2 tho01:26
Macerze computer shall restart01:27
Macerwho made the mer dialogues?01:27
lcukjakemaheu, ok, you have a defined desire for faster machine, but its not exactly a slouch for most things01:27
rm_youlol depends on which one01:27
Macer"Are you sure to continue?"01:27
Macer? :)01:27
Macerit had to be Stskeeps01:28
lcuki only just upgraded my system recently01:28
jakemaheulcuk: I guess it does what I need, but not well.01:28
Macerhe sounds like he would say something like that01:28
rm_youjohnx made or influences some of them IIRC01:28
Macerthe euroenglish01:28
jakemaheuthe guy who runs the server i play on just upgraded01:28
lcukMacer, he just did an open chan session01:28
jakemaheuit's crazy01:28
lcukand randomly assigned lines from chat into the translations01:28
lcukjust wait until you get to some of the late night messages01:29
jakemaheulcuk: the hl2:dm server is Two Dual Xeon 2.4 GHz processors with 3 GB ram. This is a "real" server with RAID, etc.01:30
woglindea real server has blades and san01:30
jakemaheuwoglinde: GTFO01:31
jakemaheucorrection: it's a real gaming server01:31
lcukwoglinde, a real searver has napkins and FOOD01:31
jakemaheuI LOVE BACON01:32
woglindelcuk too01:32
jakemaheui am a master of the bacon weave01:32
lcukwhy is my screen turning red01:32
lcukwho is mentioning bacon!01:32
* lcuk should never have added it as a triggerword01:32
jakemaheui should make a bot that checks for you being online and that says bacon occasionally01:33
jakemaheujust to bug you01:33
lcuki have a bot that responds to bacon01:33
lcukso even when im not online it will still respond01:34
Macerwtf is a bacon weave?01:34
jakemaheuhang on01:34
Maceris that like some canadian thing?01:35
Macerlike calling a house a howoose?01:35
lcuka bacon weave is the perfect layer in a blt01:36
woglindewhats blt?01:36
jakemaheunuff said since i can't find the right site01:36
jakemaheuthis: is even cooler01:37
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jakemaheun;t: a sandwhich wiht bacon, lettuce, and tomato01:37
lcukand mayo01:37
Macerwow that is disgusting01:37
jakemaheuwhich one?01:37
Macerthe bacon-placemats01:38
woglindesuckers now I am hungry again01:38
lcukwe aren't suckers01:39
jakemaheuMacer: blasphemy!01:39
lcuki would actually like to make proper bacon one day01:39
jakemaheuif you bake the bacon in the oven it's pretty good01:39
jakemaheuit's evenly cooked and all straight01:39
LinuxCodelcuk, pigs make the bacon01:40
LinuxCodeI dont see how you could make it any better01:40
rm_youlcuk: like, go buy a pig?01:40
rm_youlcuk: THAT kind of *make* proper bacon? :P01:40
Maceri don't have anything against pork.. but that thing makes me want to convert to islam01:40
lcukyes, properly prepared and smoked bacon01:41
lcuknot just lifted from a shelf in plastic packaging :)01:41
rm_youwait, could you put baconaise on a BLT? :P01:41
jakemaheuahmake friends with a butcher01:41
rm_youthat would be SWEET01:41
jakemaheu? baconaise?01:41
lcukspending months curing it and anticipating the amazingness afterwards01:41
Maceror you can just go to the butcher and ask for fresh bacon?01:41
lcukfresh pig arse from a butchers is usually uncured01:42
Maceri mean.. butchers still just cut meat right? :) now that i think about it though. there really aren't many good butchers01:42
lcuki want to go through the entire process01:42
rm_youfrom pig to platter :P01:42
Macerlcuk: like killing the pig?01:42
lcukbut yeah starting from a dead pig would be logical01:42
Macerand cuttign it up?01:42
Macerthat is the first sign of a murderer01:42
jakemaheuextra-thick slices of bacon!01:42
jakemaheubacon cubes01:42
rm_youor the first sign of someone who likes delicious bacon :P01:42
lcukOMG< my local butcher is goin postal!01:42
Macerlcuk: yup01:43
lcukhow come you dont hear about it much then01:43
Maceri mean like... killing and cuttign animals01:43
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rm_youwhen i look at anything considered a common food animal, i pretty much just see a walking version of the processed result01:43
Macerlcuk: because you don't read up about serial killers much01:43
lcuk"local morrisons butchered jailed for life for carving his missus into lovely steaks"01:43
rm_youcows are like hamburgers/steaks on legs01:43
Macermost serial killers murdered animals to start with01:43
lcukrm_you, you sound like homer01:43
Macerthen moved on to bigger and better things01:43
rm_youwell it's true01:44
Maceranyways. i'm off to work on this site a littlemore then sleep01:44
lcukMacer, i have heard most serial killers read up about what other serial killers did01:44
rm_youI've heard that too :P01:44
lcukand you telling me all this information is rather revealing, should we be dialing?01:44
Macerlcuk: touche01:47
jakemaheustarting mer01:47
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jakemaheui like the spash01:47
jakemaheuer, splash01:48
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Macersee what happens when you run Mer!01:52
lbtnight all01:52
woglindenite lbt01:53
lcuknite lbt01:53
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lcukhi z4chh01:54
* lcuk smiles at kickass multitouch01:54
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lcukz4chh, i never asked you01:55
lcukdo you like bacon?01:55
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lcukguess not :'(01:58
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jakemaheuhello again02:01
jakemaheumer is actually pretty good02:02
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jakemaheuthere you are02:05
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ProteousKnown Issues - UI03:17
ProteousWhen using Need/Greed loot mode, defeated mobs turn into shark models.03:17
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lcukProteous, o_O03:19
lcukwhich game?03:19
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Proteouscan't say03:22
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madlordHello, is anybody on?03:39
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prakanyone here familiar with scratchbox who knows how to determine whether a particular package is included in the sdk?04:07
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madlordHi, I'm having a problem with the default browser of my n800, when I open it, it only shows the "updating" msg on the left top corner. I dont know what's happening and how to solve it.04:12
madlordBut I constateted that browserd is not running, can this be the problem?04:13
madlordThanks for some help04:13
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lcukmadlord, try
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madlordlcuk: that's it, thank you very much04:22
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chxhm speaking of browsers04:26
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chxTear --if i remember correctly-- want to use F3 and such keys which are , naturally, nonexistent04:27
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tom-davidsonhi, any one use to manage a swap partition on external SD?09:50
opiI do.09:53
opiI mean, I use it, I don't think I use it to manage swap09:54
tom-davidsonha ha, ok. I have the applet install and a swap partion. i can use "swapon -a" and than "free" to verify09:54
tom-davidsonbut im not understanding how to use the applet to use swap on boot and to let me disable to eject the sd card09:55
opithere's an option for that in Control Panel IIRC09:55
opiwait, I'll grab my N80009:55
opiControl Panel - Memory - Virtual (tab)09:56
opiIf I recall clearly09:56
tom-davidson"Control Panel - Memory - Virtual" is for a swapfile on the root MTD. im useing a swap partion on a differnt MTD....09:57
opihmmm, it saves my pagefile on "Internal Memory Card", I wonder if you could edit rc.local to have it swapon from different location09:59
opiI'm not the best person to answer your question, I'm rather noobish when it comes to Maemo ;(10:00
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tom-davidsoni got ya. i was tring to avoid the swapfile all together and stick with the partiions10:02
tom-davidsonwill chekc out the rc.local though and see if i get any ideas10:03
slonopotamustom-davidson, just do `swapon /dev/whatever_partition`?10:04
opislonopotamus: he want to have it automagically, if I understand him correctly10:04
tom-davidsonright. from the cli i can do that. tright to  have to auto at boot and an applet so i can eject my sd card with out the system crashing. load-applet says it can manage thw swap, but i not seeing how10:05
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slonopotamuscreate init script then10:07
slonopotamushmm, no, wait10:07
slonopotamusjust put it into /etc/fstab? :)10:08
opithat would work, I think10:08
slonopotamusthat's the proper way, btw :)10:08
opithen you would need script with swapoff and you're good to go10:09
opionly problem is when you have too much memory swapped and you /sbin/swapoff it ;)10:09
tom-davidsonfstab should boot auto... i need to find out what my entry is not.10:12
tom-davidson/dev/mmcblk1p2    swap            swap    defaults              0       010:12
tom-davidsonthis applet claims to handle the swap, but i dont see the options...
tom-davidsonanyone want to install it and report your experiance?10:19
opias I said I have it and no, I do not see anything swap related10:20
tom-davidsonthanks opi... i forgot that allready. i think its time to email the creator.10:21
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tom-davidsonfor those intrested, i posted a thread at the garage project:
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tom-davidsonthanks again slonopotamus: and opi: , good night11:01
opisee you11:02
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lcukseriously impressive running robot!   (rt from quim!)12:31
JaffaMorning, all12:39
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lcukmornin Jaffa \o13:06
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: poke13:07
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qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: ja?13:07
Stskeepsyou will want to grab the slidees from 'not your grandpa's debhelper'13:07
Stskeepswatching the talk atm13:08
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Stskeepsthis isn't the maemo sdk ttheme is it?13:12
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wazdicons are blue13:15
wazdI think they made it to determine device shots13:15
Stskeepshehe, match by RGB value?13:16
wazdStskeeps: well, icons from SDK are greenish :)13:16
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wazdAnd this post is like "haha, you can't make proper software without actual device... oh, damn, it's obvious" to me :)13:19
Stskeepsi wonder if mer is close enough13:20
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: BTW, powerlaunch (as always) has the powerup request message that you'd want to send to switch state13:21
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: ah13:21
Stskeepswill add as talk13:22
qwerty12_N810Also: you sure that linuxrc's clause to start in runlevel 5 if dsme reports actdead state isn't fucking you over?13:22
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Stskeepsnot 100%13:23
Stskeepsgood point13:23
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Stskeepsthanks, qwerty12_N81013:29
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RST38hmoo all13:43
wazdRST38h: heya13:43
RST38hany news? any images of maemo5 device dressed like a pumpkin?13:44
RST38hhey wazd13:44
wazdRST38h: sorta)13:44
lcuknot as a pumpkin, but we DO know nokia buildings do not have flat walls13:45
lcukthey seem to have some sort of fail gravity13:45
wazdi mean13:45
* RST38h on a train watching the ticket lady come13:45
lcukwazd, why are you showing me my own postings? :p13:45
wazdRST38h: run, forest, run! :D13:45
wazdlcuk: yep, missfire :)13:46
RST38hwazd: no way I can open that from a phone :(13:46
LinuxCodewazd, gee thanks mate, now I had to see half of lcuk's ugly face13:46
LinuxCodeand its only morning13:46
lcukonly half!13:46
lcukthank your lucky stars13:46
lcuki have to see the whole thing every mornin13:46
* LinuxCode nudges lcuk 13:46
RST38hLinuxCode: fixed in harmattan no doubt :)13:47
LinuxCodelcuk, would you like a mask for x-mas ?13:47
lcukas long as its not yeah13:47
LinuxCodethatsa  good mask13:48
LinuxCodeok so my hd isnt failing13:49
LinuxCodemy brother or his osx is failing13:49
lcukso i can carry on using your machine then?13:49
* LinuxCode refrains from returning another hd to WD13:49
LinuxCodelcuk, which one ?13:49
lcuki stopped when you were noticing problems13:49
LinuxCodemy jornada 710 with familiar on it, sure13:50
LinuxCodeRST38h, 1TB GP13:50
LinuxCodenot sure if they are caviars13:50
LinuxCodeI had 9, so far 2 were returned13:50
RST38hcaviars were really bad for a long time13:50
wazdI just bought used 1TB HDD filled with 1080 movies13:50
LinuxCodewazd, lol nice13:51
RST38h3/10 failure rate in the first 3 months13:51
wazdI can't delete them, they are too cool :(13:51
LinuxCodehow kind of that person not to delete his movie collection13:51
RST38hwazd: THAT kind of movies?13:51
wazdRST38h: nope, there were only two of them :D13:51
RST38hLinux: that was actually a marketing trick to make wazd buy another hd13:52
LinuxCodeRST38h, haha13:52
wazdRST38h: yep, I think so too :(13:52
LinuxCodetbf to WD though  I was punishing the drives13:52
wazdI have only 24 gb free13:52
LinuxCoderebuilding raid6 array multiple times for testing purposes13:52
LinuxCodeon hardware card....took ages13:53
wazdoh, I can delete Lost :)13:53
LinuxCodewazd, nothing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=1M wont fix for you13:53
RST38hwazd: No dom2 there?13:54
qwerty12_N810RST38h: I thought British reality shows were weird...13:54
RST38halthough you would have to wipe plates with rubbing alcohol after THAT13:54
wazdRST38h: unfortunately not :(13:55
RST38hqwerty: Right, that is exactly how rest of us are liking them13:55
RST38hqwerty: although japanese are leading in terms of kinkiness13:55
wazdfull collection of James Bond movies13:55
RST38hcant delete it right?13:56
wazdRST38h: I'm not sure I've seen em all :)13:56
wazdoh my god, Zadornov's anthology13:56
RST38hkill Kill KILL13:56
* RST38h knew something like that would be there13:57
wazdRST38h: colored "17 moments of spring" :)13:57
RST38hthey are ok13:57
RST38hhint: disney flicks are the next likely target13:57
wazdRST38h: haven't reached "cartoons" folder yet :)13:58
RST38hdisney actually blessed us with some movies too13:58
wazdRST38h: I have "Pirates" :)13:59
lcukwazd, which one lol14:00
* RST38h feels bad deleting anything with Cthulhu in one of the main roles14:00
wazdlcuk: all of them :)14:00
lcukwasnt the first one the most expensive porn movie ever made or something14:00
RST38hthere was porn? hmmm14:01
wazdlcuk: RST38h: Oh, i saw it btw xD14:02
wazdhouse m.d., goodbye14:03
wazdStskeeps: it's cool but i've already saw it :)14:03
Stskeepsi was referring to the house stuff :P14:03
wazdStskeeps: :)14:04
wazdwhole Star Wars collection14:04
wazdeven some fanfic movie14:04
wazdStar Wars - Revelations14:04
RST38hAny Terry Gilliam stuff? (to watch I mean not to delete)14:05
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nai1sirkI'm feeling a bit torn about the new maemo device, is the mobile(crunch?) roumor likely to be true?14:10
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nai1sirkI feel 180 grams is a bit much for a cell phone14:10
RST38hstill no word on builtin or external mike though14:11
nai1sirkit looks like a phone, it's got a speaker right where it should be if it were a phone14:11
nai1sirkalso it looks a bit on the chubby side, about the same thickness as the htc-touch pro14:12
Stskeepsnai1sirk: it's really powerful though :P also, there's no pictures out14:13
RST38hthere are no real images of n9x0 right now14:13
RST38hwhatever you are looking at may or may not be real14:13
RST38hthe 180g figure is also dubious14:14
opioh, I missed N9x0 rumors, can anyone share a link?14:14
nai1sirkwhat about this picture here (overlook the negativity in the link, the guy is an ass)
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thux'gorbatshow' mobira cityman weight 800 grams14:15
RST38hnai: if we are talking about a lowres image it was taken from a 1-2 year old nokia presentation14:15
kkrustymer seems slow14:15
kkrustyin a vm14:15
RST38hthen dont us vm14:15
kkrustyI mean a lot slower than a full blown ubuntu vm14:16
RST38hvms are crap14:16
nai1sirk this looks like the same device14:16
nai1sirkstill from an old presentation?14:16
opiI wouldn't mind to replace my N80014:16
nai1sirkalso, it looks like an icon from the meamo 5 sdk14:16
RST38hnow you are probably looking at a rendering done in 3d, right?14:17
opithere's nothing on the market that fits my needs like Meamo/Nx14:17
MyrttiI wouldn't have any faith in any of the specifications or proposed pictures of it before it's officially announced14:17
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kkrustynai1sirk:  they didnt fix the keyboard even?14:17
nai1sirkRST38h: yupp14:17
RST38hnai: the sources of that one are also dubious, it is not a photo and not an official rendering14:17
nai1sirkkkrusty: three rows14:18
RST38hMyrtti: hey, guys can dream cant they?14:18
MyrttiRST38h: sure, dream on.14:18
kkrustynai1sirk: thats making it different. not fixing it14:18
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Myrttiit's the speculations and haste arguments I dislike14:18
RST38hMyrtti: btw, Nokia just submitted a pink n97 to the fcc ;)14:18
lcukin that mockup, it looks like the keyboard was added afterwards14:18
MyrttiRST38h: ewww14:19
kkrustynai1sirk: fixing it would be not to have the keys right on top/bottom of each other14:19
RST38hMyrtti: yes, the screen too14:19
lcukMyrtti, as a female you should be yayyyying shouldnt you lol14:19
* Myrtti shall have a white N8614:19
nai1sirkI skipped over the n800, so I might skip the "n900" and wait for the next tablet if it is that thick. I like my devices slim.14:19
lcukwe can always use a hammer14:19
* RST38h will buy 5800 if maemo phone ends up being a flop14:20
MyrttiN97 has too many teething problems so I'll have my N8614:20
Myrttiprobably by the end of the year14:20
lcuknai1sirk, if you have been waiting since the n800, maybe you would be interested in the n810 - it is slim AND has a keyboard!14:20
kkrustyI would've been really tempted to get an android phone if they came with a keyboard and good battery life14:20
lcukit has a keyboard doesnt it14:21
MyrttiI thought it did14:21
lcuknot sure about battery suckage tho14:21
lcukits got a really low res screen14:21
MyrttiI just love the misinformation that fogs this channel sometimes :-P14:21
nai1sirkSorry, I meant i did not buy the n800. I have a 770 and a n81014:21
lcukwhat misinformation Myrtti, im playing farcry on my n810 right now14:22
kkrustyI have a n800 and I had a n810. They keyboard on that thing was useless14:22
kkrustythe n81014:22
Myrttilcuk: android not having a keyboard14:22
lcukhell of a lot better than the one on the n80014:22
nai1sirkkkrusty: I like it, I don't write novels on it though14:22
lcukit became a REAL computer when the kb was added14:22
lcukand you kids know nothing, get a zx81 or something14:22
kkrustynai1sirk: well even IMing is a pain on the n81014:23
RST38hMyrtti <-- kinda critical today14:23
lcukharder than n800?14:23
nai1sirkIs that a zx81 in your pocket? ...14:23
MyrttiRST38h: I've grown to dislike IRC of late14:23
lcukfor mobile its even better14:23
opinai1sirk: no, it's Atari 5200 Game system14:23
RST38hno I have upgraded to zx spectrum14:23
lcuki so prefer the keyboard on n810 over iphone14:23
MyrttiI prefer the keyboard of N800 over N9514:23
RST38hMyrtti: better than a thousand other ways to waste time14:23
MyrttiRST38h: I like knitting and watching movies14:24
kkrustylcuk: for me 3 things matter: 1) battery life 2) openness (no iphone) 3) a keyboard14:24
lcukok, so carry a cherry keyboard a car battery and a pda14:24
* RST38h has not knit for 20+ years and watching a movie on a commuter train would look silly14:25
kkrustylcuk: in one piece :)14:25
RST38hhence irc14:25
nai1sirkI fear it may become less open with a mobile chip inside. Carriers are not happy about open devices that you can install voip etc. on14:25
lcukkkrusty, duct tape was invented for this very purpose14:25
MyrttiI did knit my whole commute to and from my cousins wedding last weekend14:25
kkrustythe htc hero which would be a good candidate for this if it had a keyboard14:25
Myrttimade up a nice shawl14:25
lcukor Myrtti can knit you something14:25
kkrustylcuk: I prefer glue14:25
lcukwhatever, but i find it sticks to my needles14:26
Myrttinice pink shawl.
thuxMyrtti: kudotko mattoja?14:26
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lcuka nice pink phone would match that14:26
Myrttithux: years and years ago14:26
LinuxCodesweet, flashrom works14:27
* kkrusty made a small bluetooth wardriving script for his n80014:27
RST38hwazd: did you know there is a station called Anykeyevka btw?14:27
thuxMyrtti: ok just i have extra kangaspuut to dispose somewhere14:27
wazdRST38h: yep :) [:/\/\:] :)14:27
Myrttithux: moving to UK this year :-/14:27
RST38hUnless I am having hallucinations of course14:28
thuxMyrtti: ok cool14:28
* Myrtti goes about to draw a bath long overdue14:28
LinuxCodedont forget the deo after14:29
lcukMyrtti in pencil>14:29
RST38hPoor little e70 is dying14:30
kkrustyit requires some work to get going but Im using it as a python programming exercise14:30
RST38hIts corpse will be preserved for the history while its soul goes to the great backup storage in the sky14:31
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* kkrusty wonders if anyone is looking at his project14:32
RST38hkkrusty: not fromhere, not unless you describe it verbally14:33
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thuxwhat app is most used in maemo? kind of killer app as they say14:34
nai1sirkkkrusty: have you released a version of it yet? It looks cool14:34
nai1sirkthux: gpodder14:34
kkrustyRST38h: well its a script that scans for bluetooth devices and speech synthesizes the names of the devices it found and the time it found them. It logs its results to a sqlite db and if it refinds something it will also tell you when it last found the device14:34
RST38hthux: fbreader here14:34
kkrustynai1sirk: not yet.14:34
infobotsomebody said musthave was Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see
RST38hkkrusty: sounds fun, does not take a few things into account14:35
RST38hkkrusty: one is the battery drain14:36
kkrustyRST38h: true.14:36
RST38hkkrusty: anotheris that quite a few bt names may be unpronouncable14:36
nai1sirkVagalume was a must have app until started a subscription only service in all smaller countries:-P Now I have left it in the dust14:36
kkrustyRST38h: that too is true.14:36
nai1sirkI's really like a spotify app though14:36
kkrustyRST38h: I've had that happen quite a lot of times14:36
RST38hnot everyone calls their device "rover" :)14:37
Stskeepsnai1sirk: i pay my 3 eur a month happily. compared to the bw i use at their site, i don't mind.14:37
RST38hvagalume worksforme14:37
qwerty12_N810RST38h++ but I'm in the UK, where it's still free14:37
RST38hi have registered my account in the us14:38
kkrustyRST38h: what would you think of a solution that involved gps?14:38
RST38hit seems to work14:38
RST38hkkrusty: more battery drain, shitty gps on n81014:38 and pandora(earlier) have so many limitations, that it's like radio (you can't decide the exact track) So I prefer spotify14:38
RST38hkkrusty: here is a better idea14:38
RST38hnai: yea, i prefer playing local music way better14:39
lcukStskeeps, arent you meant to be debconfing it and not paying attention to irc lol14:39
RST38hnai: except that lastfm may sometimes hint me on more music to liten to14:39
RST38hkkrusty: make it scan for bt devices hack into them and ply subliminal messages! :)14:40
qwerty12_N810Did anyone ever try despotify on tablets? It builds using its ao audio backend but my Spotify account is a free one, so I couldn't test it14:40
kkrustyI was thinking of changing the scan frequency and duration depending on whether the user is moving or not.14:40
Stskeepslcuk: hacklab, no interesting talks for 4 hours14:41
kkrustyRST38h: does this project give a sinister vibe? because this is the same thing someone else told me to do :D14:41
RST38hgps will eat way more power than you can save this way14:41
kkrustyRST38h: accelerometer?14:41
RST38hkkrusty: the sinisterer the better!14:41
RST38hno accelerometer on n8x014:42
lcukcool, Stskeeps what have you seen thats impressed you so far14:42
kkrustyRST38h: well a usb accelerometer I guess14:42
RST38hmore power drain14:42
Stskeepslcuk: i've seen things that didn't impress me..14:42
kkrustyRST38h: actually if I can try to vary the scan frequencies depending on the scan results I get I guess the battery life can improve a bit. Overall it isnt that much of a battery drain from experience14:43
lcukStskeeps thats not a good impression then, is the beer cold and good?14:43
RST38hyes, but what would be the goal of collecting this data?14:43
kkrustyRST38h: I think I'll need to properly measure the battery life with and without the script running to get a better idea14:43
Stskeepshaven't had a drop of alcohol really :P14:43
RST38hI mean if not for snding subliminal msgs14:44
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Myrttioo, a bit too hot14:44
RST38hohmygod chrisian graffiti14:45
kkrustyRST38h: possibly no useful goals. All it does is give you an estimate of how many people you come across and also tell you if you met the same person during different times14:46
Stskeepsbathtubtablet, Myrtti ? :P14:46
MyrttiStskeeps: ♥14:46
Myrttione of the best usecases14:46
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RST38hkkrusty: ah, knowledge building thing! use the camera too :)14:46
Myrttithat, and lootablet14:46
lcuklootablet is wrong :|14:46
Myrttitis not14:47
lcukthats like tweeting14:47
kkrustyRST38h: its funny how when Im standing at a bus stop and a guy walks up next to me and it announces: "yes I know I need a shave. First seen now. "14:47
Myrttihow else am i supposed to communicate in a pubs ladiesroom?14:47
lcuk"im crapping"14:47
lcukMyrtti, SHOUT!14:48
Myrtti"please caall me and make up an excuse to get me out of here"14:48
RST38hwhy would you want communicate there?14:48
RST38hkkrusty: and you are calling me sinister...14:49
lcukMyrtti, thats a different thing14:49
lcukthats a panic button/easter egg on the device itself14:49
Myrttioh crap14:49
Myrttimy shaver fell in14:49
kkrustyRST38h: well what they name their phones is public knowledge isnt it? or they could just disable device discovery14:50
* Myrtti anticipates a painful encounter with Gillette triple blade14:50
RST38hsatan likes stupid people yes14:50
RST38h(that was to kkrusty =))14:51
lcukMyrtti, does tablet cope underwater?14:51
Myrttilcuk: haven't tested, will not either14:52
kkrustythere are so many exciting things you can use this for. Like finding out that A B and C have been previously seen during the same scan. Maybe they're a group!14:52
lcukgood idea lol14:52
RST38hall right next stop is mine14:52
lcukkkrusty, you need to put it all on an aliens style radar pinging thing14:53
lcuk"omg theyre right on top of us, theyr in the frikkin walls man"14:53
kkrustyis that project a touch too crazy?14:54
lcuki dunno, we discussed making one last year14:55
lcukbt ping times are a bit excessive tho14:55
kkrustywell... I imagine that future bt ping times will be less14:56
lcukretroactive upgrades to existing hardware?14:56
kkrustylcuk: all in all its a python programming exercise for me14:56
lcukthats what riply said14:56
kkrustylcuk: no. porting this to symbian or newer tablets14:56
kkrustyfor instance14:57
lcukyou want to have it for next devices or not?  the sentence doesn't parse too well14:57
kkrustylcuk: well yeah14:58
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mavhcthe bluetooth device is broadcasting from inside the house!15:00
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kkrustyso are you guys going to give me 100,000 pounds or what? Seems like I just went to the dragon's den15:02
lcukkkrusty, yeah, but before i do i have to ask for a favour15:03
lcukcan you lend me £120,000, im a bit short today15:03
kkrustyI had that "no" before your last message15:04
lcukheh sounds like you play too many irc quizes :P15:04
lcukyou were too slow15:04
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kkrustylcuk: I blame a bad keyboard15:05
lcuka true gamer would blame their isp, mother, god and their unborn child on lag15:05
* lcuk wins another small liqbase battle15:06
kkrustylcuk: the keyboard argument has context15:06
kkrusty*matches context15:06
kkrustyI've been bitching about the n810 keyboard15:07
lcukyeah yeah :P15:08
lcukis there a way to find out the number of threads in an app15:09
lcukie, if i am busy loading 100 images can i obtain the thread count and show it somewhere15:09
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lcukgoogle brings me crap about fabric15:10
nai1sirkHow many here chatting from a NIT?15:11
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nai1sirkI'm still trying to find a good use for my old 770, stskeeps, will there be an updated build of mer for 770, or have you abandoned it entirely?15:13
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Stskeepsnai1sirk: we are working on it - my 770'ed WSODed so I don't -personally- use time on it anymore. but others do.15:14
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Stskeepsi just had Mer booting on a 770 yesterday, here at debconf, so15:15
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lcukjohnx, is this you :o
lcukfor other folks, comparison
LinuxCodeis this you ?16:04
lcuk:O shit how did that get out16:04
lcukyou told me you wouldnt post it on the net :'(16:04
LinuxCodewhat can I say...... I lied16:05
lcukits not all bad, at least you put a pic of yourself up too :D16:06
LinuxCodethat has to be me and my twin brother then, judging by his mass16:08
lcukholy poo, i didnt actually realise i was on that photo with johnx lol16:08
lcuk(the flickr one)16:08
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lbtLook what just went over:
Myrttilooks like Duxford16:47
lbtmy house :)16:47
lbtlooking straight up - it must have been just a couple hundred feet up16:48
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Myrttiwe had similar but nothing as spectacular in Warboys16:48
lbtI love that you can see the gun turret when it banked through the trees - cool (and v. noisy!)16:49
lbtThe germans must have heard them coming...16:49
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lcuklbt, in celebration of your flyby, i think you should dress up like biggles and run around local shopping centre with arms outstretched17:08
lbtnah, did that last week...17:09
lcukheh - that might explain the flyby itself then17:09
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chx anyone knows anything of this??? 32gb mini sdhc???17:34
lcukthe picture shows 1gb17:35
chxtoo good to be true isnt it.17:36
lcuknot really17:36
lcukit will happen17:36
lcukits like how we laugh now about how drive capacity used to be17:36
lcukso the gb/tb ranges will be eclipsed17:36
chxi so wish Nokia used two micro instead of one mini17:37
lcuknow THAT i agree with :)17:37
lcuki never had an n800, but know i would prefer 2 removable, at the same time i understand why having a fixed perm drive there matters17:38
chxthey could have made one hard to swap and one easy to swap17:38
chxlike hide it behind the battery17:38
chxit's as good as fixed17:38
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chxwhat's the displaylink support status?17:48
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mavhcare 16GB microsds < twice the price of 8GB yet?17:49
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mavhc8GB 11, 16GB 32, no, sigh17:51
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chxwhat's that british pounds?17:55
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* ShadowJK wouldn't get the cheapest anyway18:02
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RST38hAll righty, Google Voice + Gizmo seems to be working18:04
Macerstill working on my android stuff18:06
Macerwordpress ftw18:06
Maceri need to make a better filebrowser type deal18:06
Macerbut i suppose the stock apache stuff will do for browsing dirs now18:06
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Macernow that i think about it though18:07
Macerthere really aren't too many Mer files out there18:07
RST38hA web based file browser?18:09
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wazdRST38h: web based web browser :)18:29
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lcukwazd, does that use advanced web 2.0 technology?18:35
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RST38hdoes it involve the SHEEP?18:41
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lcukif i create a symlink from an existing folder which already contains files, are the existing files listed along with "ls"18:58
RST38hthey should be19:00
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* GeneralAntilles is really tired of Nokia.19:08
LinuxCodeGA whats wrong now ??19:08
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: maemo ecosystem is way saner than openmoko one..19:08
GeneralAntillesI'm just so tired of the endless talk leading absolutely nowhere.19:08
GeneralAntillesOh, yes, we'll be more open and transparent.19:08
GeneralAntillesWell, that didn't work, so now we'll be more open and transparent for Fremantle.19:09
LinuxCodeGeneralAntilles, well Intel and Nokia now work together19:09
GeneralAntillesYeah, that didn't work, either.19:09
* Stskeeps is absolutely shellshocked after a session on openmoko19:09
LinuxCodeso,....keeping intels track record in mind, hopefully it will be more open19:09
GeneralAntillesPromises to provide assistance to Mer which have yet to pan out.19:09
RST38hSts: The sky is full of stars? :)19:09
LinuxCodei see19:09
LinuxCodethat is rather disappointing then19:09
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: ah, i would like to say they are providing assistence.19:10
GeneralAntillesWe're nearly a year into the "open" Fremantle development and most developers are still hiding in the castle.19:10
Stskeepssome of it is our fault for not working out19:10
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, have the new licenses even been released?19:10
RST38hGeneral: Do we have a device?19:10
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: hmm?19:10
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, redistribution licenses for Nokia 1st-party stuff.19:11
RST38hGeneral: I think you were just having wrong expectations for a large corporate entity19:11
RST38hIn fact, Nokia is said to be one of the most bureaucratic .FI companies19:11
GeneralAntillesSaying, "Yes, you have our permission to violate the current license for the time being" and actually getting the licenses are two different things.19:11
GeneralAntillesRST38h, whether or not that's true, it doesn't make those expectations any less valid or their failure to meet them any less shitty.19:12
GeneralAntillesI'm tired of the BS, I'm tired of the waiting.19:12
RST38hThe failure was completely predictable though19:12
GeneralAntillesOK, but that's hardly helpful.19:12
RST38hThe Fixed-in-Fremantle fiasco was not of course19:12
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StskeepsGeneralAntilles: ball is with Mer right now. my fault for not speccing it out yet19:13
Stskeepswe're going along with what we agreed at the cph meeting.19:14
LinuxCodeis there a mer channel too ?19:14
LinuxCodeless thinking...more action...19:14
Stskeepsget things working, and on, and then get license specced from nokia19:14
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suihkulokkiit is generally much easier to convince people to open up when you have success stories from previous opening-ups19:16
GeneralAntillesCan somebody fix the #maemork icon?19:16
GeneralAntillessuihkulokki, those we've provided.19:16
suihkulokkifor example the pet whine here for a long time was the closed wifi driver19:16
GeneralAntillesAs well as many trip ups we've had from closed-source stuff.19:16
suihkulokkithe driver was opened, yet the community hasn't really cared about it19:17
GeneralAntillesWell, the vast majority of people don't have the skills to work with it.19:18
GeneralAntillesand the rest don't benefit from it.19:18
GeneralAntillesGetting the WiFi is only the first step of many to actually upgrade the kernel.19:18
* Myrtti is happy to be oblivious of the technicalities apart from the documentation :-P19:18
StsN810i found out it was possible to forward move umac.ko, in an afternoon.19:19
StsN810noone in community bothered to check before.19:19
StsN810we've also had good response to mb456019:20
StsN810initfs quibbles could have been fixed if anyone bothered to check if later uclibc open versions were compatible with initfs uclibc.19:21
qwerty12_N810No, they should have been fixed by Nokia who shouldn't have been sitting on their fucking asses for two years.19:22
suihkulokkithus, projects like mer that show what can be done with the already open stuff, are much more useful :)19:22
GeneralAntillesHow much easier would Mer be to implement if, for instance, we didn't have to roll our own Control Panel applets. . . .19:23
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StsN810qwerty12, of course, but it's an example that we should look within community first instead of demanding nokia does everything19:23
suihkulokkiif you want nokia to do everything, where do you need the sources?19:24
* GeneralAntilles sighs.19:24
GeneralAntillesI just want to see some goddamn developers out here in the open.19:24
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qwerty12_N810StsN810: Irrelevant. Nokia is legally obligated to release those sources either way. End of.19:24
GeneralAntillesI'm tired of shit like what's happened with Hildon.19:24
StsN810generalantilles, cp's are surprisingly simple, noone up to now stepped up to do it.. re developers, first mer cp was part qwerty and part timeless.19:25
StsN810qwerty, agreed19:25
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GeneralAntillesStsN810, unfortunately we don't have a ton of developers just waiting around to do stuff like that.19:26
StsN810general; we're working with pymaemo guys too, and people are coming out in the open if there's sane people to talk to and cooperate with.19:26
GeneralAntillesStsN810, we've all been here for nearly 4 years.19:27
GeneralAntillesYet the makeup of the people out in the open hasn't changed radically in that time.19:27
GeneralAntillesExcepting personnel moves.19:27
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lcukGeneralAntilles, what would you have developers do?19:28
GeneralAntillesMake comments and triage bugs in Bugzilla.19:28
GeneralAntilles(Now they just hide in the internal bug tracker)19:28
StsN810general; the biggest issue for community is actually they don't seek out people or see if we can handle it ourselves.19:28
GeneralAntillesDiscuss things on the lists and forums.19:29
lcukbut what if the developers arent working on stuff thats in bugzilla yet19:29
lcukcos its not out19:29
GeneralAntilleslcuk, that's only a valid argument for a few people.19:29
GeneralAntillesand it then comes to a management issue.19:29
GeneralAntillesWhich is another problem.19:29
StsN810we've been discussing about 3rd party browser things for some months and noone bothered to make an information request?19:29
lcuki always thought timeless was chief browser guy around here19:30
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lcukand hes been in amongst the community doing an amazing job19:30
StsN810maybe we should make Request for Information bugs, answers which would establish ways for community to do something.19:30
lcuksounds reasonable19:31
lcukas usual with your ideas Stskeeps :)19:31
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StsN810noone's going to bother with us if we're just whining instead of seperating things to be done into what community could do and what info/help we need from nokia19:33
StsN810which is much easier for a corporate structure to deal with19:33
GeneralAntillesMy idiot friend decided that it would be a good idea to embed every piece of content imaginable with Flash applets.19:34
GeneralAntillesOn the front page there are 6 stories19:34
GeneralAntilles4 of which has Flash applets.19:34
GeneralAntillesFlickr, YouTube, and two PDFs.19:34
suihkulokkinow he's asking why it's so slow on a tablet?19:35
GeneralAntillesNo, he doesn't own one.19:35
GeneralAntillesBut I'm going to tell him why it's slow on my 1.6GHz G5.19:35
lcuk4 applets kill your machine?19:37
GeneralAntillesFlash applets19:38
GeneralAntillesFlash on OS X is broken19:38
GeneralAntillesFlash on OS X PPC is broken as hell.19:38
lcukget a better computer then :)19:38
GeneralAntillesMy better computer is waiting on Apple still19:38
GeneralAntillesand anything else requires cash19:39
GeneralAntillesDoes that mean you want to give me some, lcuk?19:39
lcuk:D but moaning at your mates is free19:39
lcuki would happily send you some money, but postage would cost more than I have free right now ;)19:39
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qwerty12_N810lcuk: psst, sending some to London would be cheaper than sending it to the US ;)19:40
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lcukcheaper, but still too much19:41
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lbthee ... Google developed Latitude for the iPhone. Apple rejected it!19:43
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chxdoes the N810 have proper (ie. GPS-integrated) Google Maps support?19:44
chxMy Symbian phone has that.. has the N810?19:45
javispedroit's called Maemo Mapper, I guess.19:45
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chxwhich , if i recall correctly needs maps preloaded?19:45
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javispedrochx, not at all19:45
javispedrowell, I'm using Microsoft maps instead of google's19:46
GeneralAntilleschx, it needs that or a network connection.19:46
GeneralAntillesSo, it needs exactly what the thing on your Symbian phone needs.19:46
chxoh? it can work on line?19:46
chxdownloading on-the-fly the maps from Google? What has Google to say on this?19:47
* GeneralAntilles shrugs.19:47
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GeneralAntillesgnuite works at Google anyway.19:47
javispedro"thank you for using my products"?19:47
GeneralAntillesOSM is also an option.19:47
chxGeneralAntilles: gnuite??19:47
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GeneralAntillesThe Maemo Mapper developers19:48
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: The Maemo Mapper developer19:48
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wazdbike ride time20:29
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vasily_pupkinis there any way to setup bootmenu without hildon-desktop? :]21:19
vasily_pupkinor maybe somewhere can share initfs and his kernel for me? :]21:20
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StsN810kernel doesn't change21:24
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qwerty12_N810flasher-3.0 --flash-only21:26
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GeneralAntilleslol, the 3G S crashes all of the time.21:53
GeneralAntillesAlso: capacitive touchscreens such for trying to do useful things.21:53
amranyone here got an htc magic?21:53
amri quite fancy that for my next actual phone21:53
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amri swear to god id rather remove my arms than use another symbian phone21:53
GeneralAntillesAndroid sucks21:54
amri quite liked it when i had a go on the g121:54
GeneralAntillesCan you wait until September?21:54
amri hated the g1 physically tho21:54
amrwhy, whats in september?21:54
GeneralAntillesPossibly the N90021:54
amroh i'm not really that fussed about the n90021:55
amrif its out when i upgrade ill have a look21:55
GeneralAntillesMaemo's way better than Android.21:55
amrmaemo isn't a phone21:55
GeneralAntillesSays who?21:56
amrwell my n810 lacks a sim card21:56
GeneralAntillesMany signs seem to be pointing at the N900 being a phone.21:56
amrand i haven't played with an n900, nor has anyone else i imagine21:56
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GeneralAntillesPlenty of people have21:57
GeneralAntillesProblem is, they're all mostly under NDAs.21:57
vasily_pupkinanybody can share their jffs2 image with bootmenu setuped for n810?21:57
amrso no one of any use then21:57
GeneralAntillesMeh, whatever, my only point was that you may want to consider waiting if you like Maemo.21:57
vasily_pupkinwith telnet21:57
amrmaemo always feels like it lacks polish21:57
amri'm not complaining21:58
amri love my tablet21:58
amrand android certainly wasn't without it's (major) faults21:58
GeneralAntillesWell, the current version is from 2007.21:58
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: so um, pick a control panel22:01
timeless_mbpi can do another22:01
timeless_mbpjust pick one, i should be able to do one per sprint :)22:01
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, talk to Stskeeps.22:02
timeless_mbpdo we have a cp for setting the background image? :)22:04
StsN810yeah, HD itsel-f22:04
* timeless_mbp stops w7 and goes off to run 0.1522:05
* javispedro has seen some android code (binder)22:06
* javispedro hates when code assumes sizeof(void*)==sizeof(int)22:07
javispedrospecially when you design your whole ipc concept around that assumption22:07
timeless_mbpthat works great anywhere near an ms os :)22:07
timeless_mbp(fail: w16, w64)22:07
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: hrm22:08
timeless_mbpdoesn't Advanced Backlight deal w/ audio settings?22:09
ShadowJKjavispedro, would those people benefit from intptr_t too?22:09
timeless_mbpnot at all?22:09
qwerty12_N810Tied to the closed source multimediad which uses a gconf key to get/set volume level.22:09
GeneralAntillesNot as far as I know.22:09
javispedrobinder happens to pass 4 byte strings "inline" (instead of using an extra allocation for larger strings)22:10
javispedroguess the reason for that magic number (4)22:10
javispedrohint: sizeof(void*)22:10
javispedroso as a result, compiling on amd64: hilarity ensues22:10
* timeless_mbp chuckles22:10
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chxOH someone made an adapter to install full size SD cards!22:16
chxthat's SO AWESOME!22:17
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chx32GB here we go :)22:18
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chxis there a good external battery (ie similar in size) that i could use?22:22
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chxcan someone countercheck that this is indeed close to the N810? (My second N810 is still in transit after the first was lost :( )22:26
GeneralAntillesDid you get a USB to 2mm adaptor?22:29
GeneralAntillesAh, nevermind22:30
chxaye, they sell a kit, here
chxbut what's important is the physical size22:30
chxso that you can just put it under the tablet when it's in the case and charge.22:30
chxI am using a Nintendo DS case22:30
timeless_mbpi can't seem to find advanced backlight22:31
timeless_mbpis it not available for fremantle?22:31
chx" the N800/N810 charger puts out 5V at 890 mA"22:32
Stskeepsno, it's obsoleted it seems, timeless_mbp22:32
chxso that 5V pack should be fine electrically22:32
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, there was no statusbar framework up until the last release.22:32
wazd"The new iPhone is doing for tall-screen video what DVDs and HD did for widescreen. Sweet." - Dan Frommer, Editor, Silicon Valley Insider22:32
GeneralAntillesThen Quim essentially told us it was pointless for Fremantle.22:32
GeneralAntillesEr, reverse that22:32
timeless_mbpi disagree btw :)22:33
GeneralAntillesQuim told us it was useless, and the statusbar framework was only released with the last beta.22:33
wazdjeez, where does such a morons live22:33
Stskeepswazd: their moms basement22:33
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wazdAnd btw I wonder what DVD did to the widescreen22:35
* timeless_mbp ponders22:35
GeneralAntillesrm_you, ping? :P22:35
ApeWhat is the latest information about the N900? Will it have gsm / 3g and when will it be released?22:36
chxrumours has it'll have HSPA indeed22:36
chxspeculation says Nokia World. September 3 or so.22:37
GeneralAntilleschx, rumor also has GSM.22:37
rkirtiThis question has become probably become the "pickup line" for anyone entering #maemo.........22:37
chxGeneralAntilles: oh rly?22:37
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: and friggen lasers!22:37
timeless_mbpStskeeps: does audio work in mer0.15 vmdk?22:37
chxI am not holding my breath, however.22:37
wazdand a bbq!22:37
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: if kernel picks it up and you turn it up using alsamixer22:38
wazdI wand bbq and coffee machine!22:38
Stskeeps + unmute22:38
chxthe price (because of the GSM parts and the necessary verification process in so many countries and the new-ness of the device) will surely be sky-high22:38
timeless_mbpStskeeps: any apps i can use to test it?22:38
chxlike, i dunno , 600 eur / 800 usd.22:38
timeless_mbpukmp and friends want python-osso which is either unavailable or not a new enough version22:38
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: hmm, maemo or non maemo app? i'm not sure pulseaudio is installed22:38
timeless_mbppulseaudio is installed22:39
GeneralAntilleschx, lots of little hints in the code.22:39
GeneralAntillesSeveral leaks.22:39
Ape600 euros while N810 is only about 300. I though something like 400 or maximally 500 for N900.22:39
StskeepsApe: no pricing set..22:39
chxN810 300EUR?22:39
Stskeepsn810 is way lower than 300 euro i think now22:39
chxIt's like 200-250USD right now.22:39
timeless_mbpStskeeps: let's start with a commandline app22:39
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: 'aplay'22:39
Stskeepsis what i use to test ALSA22:40
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Stskeepsand dpkg -L liberty-sounds-ui22:40
timeless_mbpi don't seem to have aplay22:40
chxtell me this, if the N97 is 600EUR why the N900 will be less.22:40
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timeless_mbpchx: sorry, this is #maemo22:40
timeless_mbpnot #nokia22:40
timeless_mbpnor #n90022:40
timeless_mbphardware pricing should be a taboo22:41
chxi need to go , anyways :)22:41
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mavhcbecause we all really use emulators22:41
ApeWell then something about Maemo? How hard is it to port applications to maemo? I have made debian packages and know howto compile many things.22:42
timeless_mbpApe: that's about it :)22:42
ApeIf I have a GTK debian application, can I run it on Maemo easily?22:42
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, good luck with that. ;)22:42
timeless_mbpdepends on how finger friendly the app started as and how much time you want to spend improving it22:42
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: taboos?22:42
GeneralAntillesYeah, not much is taboo here.22:43
GeneralAntillesNokia doesn't really set the topic. :P22:43
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StskeepsApe: experiences range re porting applications22:44
timeless_mbpStskeeps: ok, pulseaudio-utils + liberty-sounds-ui22:46
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: how do i get rid of the OSK again?22:47
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timeless_mbp /usr/bin/paplay /usr/share/sounds/ui-operation_ready.wav22:48
timeless_mbpConnection failure: Connection refused22:48
rkirtiStskeeps: What were the locale related issues you had with Mer initially ? I am sure mine spring out of OE issues, but its been a while since I am trying to get rid of it, so maybe its good to know your soln.22:48
rkirtiouch wrong channel. :-(22:49
GeneralAntilles#maemo is always the wrong channel these days. :(22:49
* timeless_mbp blames management22:50
ShadowJKchx_afk, regarding battery, mugen power has a double-size battery. the SD adapter supposedly also fits under the new cover that comes with mugen's extended battery22:50
* rkirti blames her lack of caffeine for blindly IRC-ing22:50
* timeless_mbp ponders rkirti 's nationality22:51
rkirtitimeless_mbp: India.22:52
chx_afkShadowJK: the mugen makes the device much heavier. having an external battery while it rests in its case (and in my backpack) does not make it heavier. it's a good compromise.22:52
ShadowJKchx_afk, also N810 was 400+ euro when new :-)22:52
timeless_mbpor 400 usd22:52
timeless_mbpalways fun22:52
timeless_mbpbut don't think you're getting ripped off22:53
timeless_mbpremember, that nokia buys in EUR22:53
GeneralAntilles$479 USD22:53
GeneralAntillesN800 was $399 USD22:53
timeless_mbpso it's the one losing on the exchange22:53
GeneralAntilles770 was $379 USD22:53
ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, I can also imagine that the prices in USD are without taxes and EUR prices includes them ;-)22:53
timeless_mbpthat's true22:53
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timeless_mbpbut tax is say 7%22:54
timeless_mbpthe exchange is highe22:54
timeless_mbpus sales tax22:54
GeneralAntillesAssuming you buy retail22:54
timeless_mbpexchange can be something like 25% :)22:54
GeneralAntillesInstead of, say, Newegg or Amazon22:54
ShadowJKcan't evade them like that here :(22:55
ShadowJKUnless you order from China, and it costs less than ~50E22:55
GeneralAntillesWell, when you want socialism you get it.22:55
ShadowJKmaybe there could be a kit..22:55
timeless_mbpincluding FCC approval?22:55
timeless_mbplemme think about that22:55
GAN800Sales taxes are state taxes here.22:56
* RST38h moos22:56
RST38hOk, whaddaya wanna know about sales taxes?22:56
qwerty12_N810How to avoid them22:57
timeless_mbphow do i start pulseaudio/22:57
RST38hUS: 5-20% sales tax, does not apply to ecommerce as long as your seller has no outlets in your state22:57
RST38hEU: 15-25% federal value added tax (VAT), collected always22:57
timeless_mbpalaska seems to have no sales tax :)22:57
RST38hEU: higher import taxes and dues22:58
timeless_mbpso, buy in anchorage or fairbanks22:58
ShadowJKfederal? it goes to the member states22:58
RST38hShadow: Oh, I used a US word for it22:58
RST38hShadow: Imposed by the respective country government is the right term22:59
ShadowJKHm. I wonder who gets the VAT in the united states of germany... the federal government or the states :)22:59
RST38hAnother reason not to buy in EU: Because the damn euro (and british pound too ) are so high against the dollar, your prices are going to be higher23:00
RST38hShadow: Probably the governement although I will not be surprised if the local governments get their share too, on top of that23:00
timeless_mbpStskeeps: so...23:01
timeless_mbppulse-session gives me errors as user and root23:02
timeless_mbppulse-session --system gives me a really amusing error when run as root23:02
ShadowJKRST38h, the exchange rate favors buying smartq :-)23:02
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RST38hShadowJK: SmartQ is good to buy at any exchange rate, as it costs <$200 US =)23:05
StsN810timeless, yeah, it's a bit of a clusterfuck at times..23:06
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ApeEasy to use symbolic calculator that could be easily ported for maemo:
lcuki believe someone has already started that23:34
lcukthe name looks familiar23:35
lcukahhh yes, lardman was mucking with it :)23:35
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* Myrtti likes the handwriting calculator ♥23:36
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ApeQalculate is even a very good one for computers.23:38
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GeneralAntillesSo, who is going to do a pedometer for Fremantle?23:41
qwerty12_N810The eCoach guy?23:41
Stskeepsmaemo pedo finder?23:42
Stskeepslike on the iphone?23:42
Stskeeps(i know a pedometer is for measuring steps..)23:43
suihkulokkiyou can use the accelerometer to detect when a leg hits the ground23:43
GeneralAntillesThe pedometer program on my 5800 works nicely23:44
lcuki have a foot to do that job tyvm23:44
* GeneralAntilles determined that he walks about 5-7 miles a day at work.23:44
* lcuk rages @ filesystem searches23:44
wazd"maemo pedo finder?" - jesus christ, what the fuck is that?! :D23:45
Stskeepswazd, you did not see the iphone sex offender map app?23:46
qwerty12_N810A program where you add pictures of people you hate...23:46
wazdStskeeps: nope D23:47
Stskeepsgoogle it a bit23:47
qwerty12_N810I want a variation on the theme: one that shows people convicted of selling weapons illegally23:48
Stskeepsmashups from hell:P23:49
lcuktheres a drugs one for you qwerty23:50
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