| jakemaheu | mwahahaha | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| jakemaheu | i have ressurected my tablet form the dead | 00:01 |
| lbt | how? | 00:01 |
| jakemaheu | ./flasher -f -n initfs.jffs2 -R | 00:02 |
| Proteous | dark, dark magic | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | :D | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | linux, baby | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | everything is back to normal | 00:02 |
| lbt | ok - so somehow it screwed up your initfs | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | time to try again | 00:02 |
| lbt | try again then... | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | oh dear | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | 14.1% battery | 00:02 |
| lbt | already? | 00:02 |
| jakemaheu | should prolly plug it in before i start | 00:02 |
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| lbt | and it's been on charge? | 00:03 |
| jakemaheu | endless reboots tend to kill a battery if it doesn't charge | 00:03 |
| lbt | is it possible it shutdown during the flash? | 00:03 |
| jakemaheu | alright | 00:03 |
| jakemaheu | i doubt it | 00:03 |
| woglinde | lbt you better wont do it | 00:03 |
| jakemaheu | i'll do it and tell you what happens | 00:03 |
| lbt | woglinde: ? | 00:04 |
| jakemaheu | i go into utils -> instal bootmenu | 00:04 |
| jakemaheu | 2gb sd card is in internal slot | 00:04 |
| * lbt watches ncurses build... again! | 00:04 | |
| jakemaheu | close all apps: check | 00:04 |
| jakemaheu | disconnect from wifi: check | 00:04 |
| lcuk | lbt, surely it would be more fun watching nurses | 00:05 |
| jakemaheu | 5mb free space: check | 00:05 |
| lcuk | (which is what i thought you said lol) | 00:05 |
| lbt | in a tiny diecast ambulance... | 00:05 |
| jakemaheu | know how to reflash device: lol yeah | 00:05 |
| lcuk | :D hah | 00:05 |
| jakemaheu | aree you sure to continue: y | 00:05 |
| lcuk | it wasnt no matchbox car | 00:05 |
| lcuk | this was a big heffa | 00:05 |
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| jakemaheu | create backup of current initfs: y | 00:05 |
| lcuk | serious ingot of solid cast iron | 00:05 |
| jakemaheu | ***creating backup + lots of text*** | 00:06 |
| lbt | jakemaheu: still listening | 00:06 |
| jakemaheu | it's backing it up still | 00:06 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, i cannot believe you have navigated the pathway | 00:06 |
| jakemaheu | ? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | thats some serious linuxfoo you are showing | 00:06 |
| jakemaheu | why thank you | 00:07 |
| jakemaheu | i can use a console easily enough, and i know some BASH scripting | 00:07 |
| jakemaheu | but for anything involving REAL progamming, i'd be screwed | 00:07 |
| jakemaheu | except for simple python >.< | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i use linux console like i play text adventures | 00:07 |
| Macer | hm | 00:08 |
| jakemaheu | Never? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | i give up after about 5 commands and start seeing what swear words it knows | 00:08 |
| jakemaheu | i lol'd hard | 00:08 |
| Macer | any of the mer guys here mind if i host some of your stuff? | 00:08 |
| Macer | on tech.rancorous.net ? | 00:08 |
| jakemaheu | "press enter to continue" | 00:08 |
| Macer | still working on it :) | 00:08 |
| jakemaheu | *presses enter* | 00:08 |
| lbt | Macer: ? | 00:08 |
| jakemaheu | *** copying current initfs*** | 00:08 |
| Macer | lbt: i won't get hit with an lgpl suit? | 00:08 |
| Proteous | Andrea, | 00:08 |
| Proteous | Sure, you can download an Outlook configuration file from rackspace that will configure outlook to connect to your mywinesdirect.com email account. If you don't have Outlook on your laptop you can download it from: https://owa.rackspace.com/Outlook2k3.zip | 00:08 |
| Macer | if i put some mer stuff on there? | 00:08 |
| Proteous | I'm not sure if that link will work for you. Let me know if it doesn't. | 00:08 |
| Proteous | You can download the Outlook config file by clicking on "Manage My Account" on owa.rackspace.com when you are logging in. If you mouse over your email account name at the top of the page it will bring down a menu. Go to settings and select Outlook. That page has instructions one how to run the config file from different versions of Outlook. | 00:09 |
| Proteous | ah | 00:09 |
| Proteous | the perls of right click paste | 00:09 |
| lbt | mmmm | 00:09 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 00:09 |
| Macer | i'm still finishing the wordpress install | 00:09 |
| Proteous | :) | 00:09 |
| lbt | sure | 00:09 |
| lbt | what are you thinking of? | 00:09 |
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| Macer | oh nothing. just goign to put my favorite mobile apps on it | 00:10 |
| Macer | figured mer should be on there ;) | 00:10 |
| lcuk | Proteous, it would only be fail if you had private stuffs | 00:10 |
| Macer | along with android hackoring tips | 00:10 |
| Macer | and other misc arm based product updates | 00:10 |
| lcuk | mind you, knowing how to use outlook is a tad odd ;) | 00:10 |
| jakemaheu | "remove unneeded extra (and factory testing) stuff?" y | 00:10 |
| Macer | like my vaporware touch book that i'm still waiting on | 00:10 |
| Proteous | everyone needs instructions on how to install and configure Outlook with rackspace hosted email!! | 00:10 |
| lbt | oh, gotcha | 00:10 |
| Macer | but i am still working on the site now | 00:10 |
| Proteous | IT'S CRITICAL INFO!! | 00:10 |
| Macer | it should be done tomorrow and ready for me to put stuff on it | 00:10 |
| Macer | have to test it out wtih actual files heh | 00:10 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:10 |
| lbt | not binaries though? | 00:10 |
| jakemaheu | install telnet server for network recovery: y | 00:10 |
| lcuk | i know, we get asked most days how to configure email | 00:10 |
| Macer | lbt: not sure yet | 00:10 |
| Macer | i am going ot try that in a few minutes | 00:11 |
| lbt | we don't want to encourage a raft of repos - that really hurt maemo | 00:11 |
| jakemaheu | install dropbear ssh server for advanced network recovery: y | 00:11 |
| lbt | I mean we can't stop you :) | 00:11 |
| jakemaheu | ok, dropbear added | 00:11 |
| jakemaheu | no dropbear in rootfs, server keys will be generated on each boot | 00:11 |
| lbt | but links ensure things stay up-to-date | 00:11 |
| jakemaheu | searching for optional bootmenu.conf in /etc | 00:12 |
| Macer | lbt: oh no | 00:12 |
| Macer | i'm not trying to make a repo | 00:12 |
| Macer | at the most i'd probably just keep the bins on there to be flashed | 00:12 |
| Macer | or something like that | 00:12 |
| Macer | maybe the latest ver of mer | 00:12 |
| Macer | ver of mer :) | 00:12 |
| Macer | (tm_ | 00:12 |
| Macer | (tm) | 00:13 |
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| jakemaheu | "/etc/bootmenu.conf found, do you want to add it to initfs?" y | 00:13 |
| lbt | It wouldn't hurt to mirror the images | 00:13 |
| lbt | stskeeps' machine has been known to be flakey... though we have a new one from goshawk now | 00:13 |
| jakemaheu | wait, should i edit bootmenu.conf? | 00:14 |
| jakemaheu | before adding it to initfs? | 00:15 |
| jakemaheu | lbt: does it need to be editied? | 00:16 |
| lbt | I'd ssh in | 00:16 |
| jakemaheu | right now? | 00:16 |
| lbt | oh, wait | 00:16 |
| lbt | memory says | 00:16 |
| lbt | that there's no need for an entry for flash | 00:17 |
| lbt | so no worries | 00:17 |
| jakemaheu | alright, the ni'll type "y" | 00:17 |
| lbt | yep | 00:17 |
| jakemaheu | *then i'll | 00:17 |
| jakemaheu | ok, bootmenu.conf added | 00:17 |
| lbt | what country are you in BTW... just checking... | 00:17 |
| jakemaheu | updating /etc/bootmenu.d/*.item: no such file or directory | 00:18 |
| jakemaheu | the US | 00:18 |
| lbt | cool, that's far enough away... carry on. | 00:18 |
| Macer | lol | 00:18 |
| jakemaheu | cp: cannot stat '/etc/bootmenu.d/*.item': no such file or directory | 00:18 |
| Macer | lbt: well.. once i'm done working on it i'll test it out and see what happens | 00:18 |
| Macer | hopeuflly i can find a bin plugin | 00:19 |
| Macer | to put the bins directly in the posts | 00:19 |
| Macer | but who knows | 00:19 |
| lbt | jakemaheu: ok - there's nothing there yet. it shoudn't matter | 00:19 |
| jakemaheu | creating /var/tmp/initfs.bootmenu.jffs2 | 00:19 |
| Macer | otherwise i can just link them.. but that'll take longer ;) | 00:19 |
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| jakemaheu | mkfs.jffs2: write: no space left on device | 00:19 |
| Macer | i have a few TB of space to do so though ;) | 00:19 |
| jakemaheu | (crap crap crap) | 00:19 |
| jakemaheu | part 2: ready for flashing this image? | 00:20 |
| lbt | no | 00:20 |
| jakemaheu | i don't think so | 00:20 |
| lbt | I think your rootfs is full | 00:20 |
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| jakemaheu | the device's memory is full? | 00:20 |
| jakemaheu | lemme check | 00:20 |
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| jakemaheu | disk space 3.5mb/249.5mb | 00:20 |
| jakemaheu | disk space 3.5mb/249.5mb | 00:20 |
| jakemaheu | crap | 00:20 |
| jakemaheu | it was like 10mb before | 00:21 |
| jakemaheu | i gotta find some space | 00:21 |
| lbt | it's a compressing FS so they are estimates | 00:21 |
| jakemaheu | ah | 00:21 |
| * lbt builds nCurses again... | 00:22 | |
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| jakemaheu | hmm... | 00:22 |
| jakemaheu | where has all my space gone? | 00:23 |
| lbt | du -sh * | 00:23 |
| lbt | useful in this situation | 00:23 |
| lbt | start in home | 00:23 |
| lbt | don't forget .files | 00:23 |
| jakemaheu | k | 00:23 |
| jakemaheu | just a sec | 00:23 |
| lbt | actually in $HOME you want du -sh .??* * | 00:24 |
| jakemaheu | lemme delete the 150spam emails | 00:24 |
| jakemaheu | there we go, 150 spam emails deleted | 00:25 |
| jakemaheu | now into the terminal | 00:25 |
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| jakemaheu | there's 4.6mb in .liqbase | 00:27 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: any chance of saving images to the normal images folder? | 00:28 |
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| jakemaheu | HOLY CRAP | 00:28 |
| jakemaheu | 58.9M modest | 00:28 |
| lcuk | thats not modest | 00:28 |
| jakemaheu | THAT EXPLAINS A LOT | 00:28 |
| lcuk | nahh doesnt | 00:29 |
| lcuk | as for images in normal folder, that would involve a patch and changes to classic that i havent done in a while and qwerty found a decent solution - use a symlink | 00:29 |
| jakemaheu | i used symlinks when i was using kismet | 00:30 |
| jakemaheu | it generated TONS of log files | 00:30 |
| lcuk | 4.6mb in liqbase tho, is that all images, or do you sketch lots too | 00:30 |
| jakemaheu | i sketch quite a bit | 00:31 |
| wnd | btw how does mediacrawler get along with symlinks nowadays? | 00:31 |
| jakemaheu | there should be some pics too | 00:31 |
| lcuk | cool | 00:31 |
| lcuk | categorization and grouping is looking better than ever | 00:32 |
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| jakemaheu | i found where quite a bit of stuff is | 00:32 |
| lcuk | and the graffiti wall now contains images | 00:32 |
| lcuk | as well as other stuff | 00:32 |
| jakemaheu | in "/home/user/.modest/cache/mail/pop/jak+jakemaheu.com_mail.jakemaheu.com_110_cache" | 00:33 |
| * lcuk has 107mb in his liqbase folder | 00:33 | |
| jakemaheu | wow | 00:33 |
| jakemaheu | there's tons of folders with cache files in em | 00:33 |
| jakemaheu | can they be deleted? | 00:33 |
| lcuk | i never delete anything | 00:33 |
| jakemaheu | there are 3f folders | 00:33 |
| jakemaheu | that is to say: 00-39 then 3a-3f | 00:34 |
| lcuk | if your modest stuff *IS* just a cache cant you delete it easily | 00:34 |
| jakemaheu | oh my god | 00:34 |
| lcuk | lions? | 00:34 |
| jakemaheu | there's so much data herre | 00:34 |
| jakemaheu | *here | 00:34 |
| jakemaheu | i'm gonna delete the folders | 00:34 |
| jakemaheu | wish me lcuk | 00:35 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 00:35 |
| lcuk | fsck that, you are in control of the button | 00:35 |
| * lcuk gets some popcorn | 00:35 | |
| jakemaheu | time to do some rm magic | 00:36 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, my rule of thumb about deletions is: would you take them out of a building if it was on fire | 00:36 |
| lcuk | i like having my entire devkit on something i can carry :) | 00:36 |
| jakemaheu | i wouldn't take cache files out | 00:37 |
| lbt | I like having my entire devkit on a RAID | 00:37 |
| jakemaheu | i can redownload every email from my server | 00:37 |
| jakemaheu | alright then | 00:38 |
| jakemaheu | time for rm | 00:38 |
| * lcuk passes lbt some popcorn | 00:38 | |
| jakemaheu | it took me like 3 minutes to get to the folder in xterm | 00:38 |
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| * lbt munches and passes the tub along | 00:38 | |
| * jakemaheu types rm -r *.* | 00:39 | |
| jakemaheu | wow fail | 00:39 |
| lbt | dos | 00:39 |
| * jakemaheu types rm -r * | 00:39 | |
| jakemaheu | now it worked | 00:39 |
| lbt | unix | 00:39 |
| jakemaheu | all those cache files are gone | 00:40 |
| |thunder | Hey all, anyone know of a breakout cable for the audio port of a n8x0 ? | 00:41 |
| jakemaheu | time to rerun the setup | 00:41 |
| jakemaheu | free space: 51.5M | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | yay | 00:42 |
| |thunder | I want to plug a seperate mic and speakers from the n800, anyone know if this is doable ? | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | erm, maybe | 00:42 |
| jakemaheu | if you have one of the 3-ridge plugs | 00:43 |
| |thunder | like, a 4 pin male phono to a 3 pin for headphone and a 2 pin for mic ? | 00:43 |
| Macer | lbt: where can i download mer bins? | 00:43 |
| Macer | like the install stuff? | 00:43 |
| Macer | i need to test and see if i can just set up a local link within wordpress to allow people to download it :) | 00:43 |
| |thunder | jakemaheu; Its the regular one on the n800, with integrated mic. I'd like to break it out to 2 female phono connectors. | 00:43 |
| jakemaheu | erm http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#N8x0_Install | 00:44 |
| |thunder | Macer, what you trying to do ? | 00:44 |
| jakemaheu | for Macer | 00:44 |
| lbt | Macer: I think linking to the wiki pages makes more sense to start | 00:44 |
| |thunder | Macer, trying to make a file on your web server publicly available ? | 00:44 |
| Macer | jakemaheu: thank you | 00:44 |
| jakemaheu | np | 00:44 |
| Macer | |thunder: sure | 00:44 |
| Macer | trying it now | 00:44 |
| Macer | trying to make it accessable from wordpress | 00:45 |
| |thunder | Macer, just change the permission to allow public read access | 00:45 |
| |thunder | chmod 771 ./file | 00:45 |
| jakemaheu | unless wordpress still has that annoying bug where you can't use any files without modifying the .htaaccess file | 00:45 |
| Macer | jakemaheu: heh... yeah | 00:46 |
| |thunder | no, change permission and just make a direct link. (if its in a server folder) | 00:46 |
| Macer | |thunder: that is what i'm going to do | 00:46 |
| |thunder | yep[ | 00:46 |
| Macer | i'm just going to add a dir in the vhost dir | 00:46 |
| Macer | and add files to it and direct link them | 00:46 |
| |thunder | yep | 00:46 |
| jakemaheu | ah | 00:46 |
| Macer | hopefully that just works ;) | 00:46 |
| |thunder | they have to be at least chmod 111 though | 00:47 |
| |thunder | to allow reading | 00:47 |
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| |thunder | I really want to breakout this audio port. I want to be able to call people via SIP from teamspeak, lol | 00:48 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 00:48 |
| Macer | heh | 00:48 |
| Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/mer/merinstaller.install | 00:48 |
| Macer | it's actually reading the file instead of downloading it :) | 00:48 |
| Macer | i guess because the file is just ascii? | 00:49 |
| |thunder | wget "url" | 00:49 |
| |thunder | on linux | 00:49 |
| Macer | i know that will work | 00:49 |
| Macer | but well.. blah. never mind | 00:49 |
| |thunder | its because of the extension | 00:49 |
| Macer | someone should know how to right click on it ;) | 00:49 |
| jakemaheu | you need to make the file type where it's like text/install | 00:49 |
| Macer | or i can just tarball it or something? | 00:49 |
| Macer | heh.. but that would probably not be a good idea | 00:50 |
| Macer | hm | 00:51 |
| Macer | the link isn't getting treated like a linke | 00:51 |
| Macer | link | 00:51 |
| Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/?page_id=5 | 00:51 |
| Macer | maybe there is a plugin to do this stuff | 00:51 |
| jakemaheu | oh, MIME types | 00:52 |
| jakemaheu | doh | 00:52 |
| jakemaheu | sweet, it looks like it flashed correctly this time | 00:52 |
| jakemaheu | YAYAYAYAYAY | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | IT WORKED | 00:53 |
| |thunder | i love evince for redaing books | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | I LOVE LINUX | 00:53 |
| |thunder | me too | 00:53 |
| Macer | oh | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | SWEEEET | 00:53 |
| Macer | guess i missed something there :) | 00:53 |
| Macer | heh | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | except for ati | 00:53 |
| |thunder | eric@amd64:~$ uptime | 00:53 |
| |thunder | 17:54:13 up 6 days, 48 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.09 | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | because they suck because they dropped my card into legacy | 00:53 |
| |thunder | i <3 linux | 00:53 |
| jakemaheu | and 9.04 doesn't support the restricted driver for my card | 00:54 |
| jakemaheu | Macer: Do you have a cPanel? | 00:54 |
| jakemaheu | like tech.rancorous.net:2082 | 00:55 |
| rm_you | did someone say it was time for rm? :P | 00:57 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 00:57 |
| jakemaheu | |thunder: i can beat yours | 01:00 |
| jakemaheu | root@paul-laptop: uptime | 01:01 |
| jakemaheu | 18:06:09 up 162 days, 4:35, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 01:01 |
| jakemaheu | what now? | 01:01 |
| jakemaheu | that system gets used rarely, in unusual situations (like today) | 01:01 |
| jakemaheu | i think that there should be a bug filed | 01:05 |
| jakemaheu | if you don't have enough space, it'll kill your tablet until you reflash | 01:06 |
| |thunder | nice uptime jake | 01:06 |
| |thunder | 1/3 of a year | 01:06 |
| jakemaheu | thank you | 01:06 |
| rm_you | I hate windoze, but my windoze uptime is 44 days right now <_< | 01:07 |
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| rm_you | and that's only cause of a power outage. lol | 01:08 |
| rm_you | my gaming desktop ^^^ | 01:08 |
| jakemaheu | i just got a vista box (sff) hooked up to my tv (42" plasma) | 01:08 |
| jakemaheu | it's actually pretty nice | 01:08 |
| |thunder | aero vs compiz videos are so funny | 01:08 |
| jakemaheu | i don't get what people have against vista | 01:08 |
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| rm_you | linux server up 69 days >_> | 01:08 |
| jakemaheu | i love compiz fusionj | 01:08 |
| rm_you | hard drive upgrade | 01:09 |
| jakemaheu | *fusion | 01:09 |
| |thunder | I just got a touch panel to tape to the front of my monitor so my 2 year old can play dora and calliou games.... | 01:09 |
| jakemaheu | awww | 01:09 |
| |thunder | 81 $ for 17" | 01:09 |
| Macer | jakemaheu: heh | 01:09 |
| rm_you | lol nice | 01:09 |
| lbt | linux server up 23 years...... settimeofday() | 01:09 |
| |thunder | hsa external and usb header pins | 01:09 |
| Macer | jakemaheu: why would i need cpanel? :) | 01:09 |
| Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/mer/ | 01:09 |
| jakemaheu | my xp box goes down pretty often | 01:09 |
| Macer | there.. that is starting to work out | 01:09 |
| Macer | direct linking works fine | 01:09 |
| jakemaheu | Macer: to set MIME types | 01:09 |
| jakemaheu | you could set text/install or whatever maemo.org uses | 01:10 |
| Macer | well.. that's unnecessary. if someone on an n8x0 uses the link it will just default to the install | 01:10 |
| Macer | heh | 01:10 |
| jakemaheu | but my xp box goes down prety often because it's getting old and starting to sie | 01:10 |
| Macer | jakemaheu: or they can just right click on it and download it ;) | 01:10 |
| jakemaheu | *die | 01:10 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 01:10 |
| jakemaheu | it's getting harder to bring it back up each time | 01:11 |
| Macer | and from what lbt says.. another repository is just not a cool thing for mer to have | 01:11 |
| Macer | heh | 01:11 |
| Macer | lbt: i'm running this on opensolaris ;) | 01:11 |
| Macer | ftw! | 01:11 |
| jakemaheu | if it has a bad crash, it might give a system boot disk failure error | 01:11 |
| jakemaheu | it freaks me out | 01:11 |
| Macer | lbt: ok. i have the building blocks all there ;) | 01:12 |
| jakemaheu | i can't afford new parts either | 01:12 |
| lbt | using their new fs? | 01:12 |
| jakemaheu | (i'm 15) | 01:12 |
| Macer | lbt: new fs? | 01:12 |
| lbt | zfs | 01:12 |
| Macer | zfs is a few years old ;) | 01:12 |
| Macer | but yes | 01:12 |
| Macer | zfs on top of an 8TB raid 5 | 01:12 |
| lbt | that's bigger than mine | 01:13 |
| jakemaheu | should i do simple or advanced setup for mer? | 01:13 |
| Macer | with zfs running the 2 OS drives off the onboard sata | 01:13 |
| Macer | mirrored | 01:13 |
| Macer | opensolaris is A++++ as a server ;) | 01:13 |
| Macer | it sucks as a desktop tho | 01:13 |
| Macer | heh | 01:13 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 01:13 |
| Macer | either that or gnome just kind of disgusts me | 01:13 |
| Macer | now that i think about it i haven't ran into a good enviroment yet for xorg that i .. no kidding.. liked | 01:14 |
| jakemaheu | for mer, are apps installed on the fat partition or the ext3 partition? | 01:14 |
| Macer | ext3 | 01:14 |
| rm_you | Macer: beats my raid too :P | 01:14 |
| Macer | :-P | 01:14 |
| rm_you | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 01:14 |
| rm_you | /dev/md0 4.0T 2.2T 1.8T 56% /media/md0 | 01:14 |
| jakemaheu | Macer: thanks | 01:14 |
| Macer | rm_you: heh.. well.. i just updated my business line | 01:14 |
| Macer | to 22down 5 up | 01:14 |
| rm_you | yeah that's what i have too <_< | 01:15 |
| jakemaheu | my hdd setup is painful | 01:15 |
| Macer | rm_you: i lose some of it because of reserve/raid5 | 01:15 |
| Macer | archive 6.2T 2.5T 3.8T 40% | 01:15 |
| rm_you | yeah i'm down like 60G from ext3 reserve | 01:15 |
| rm_you | but it rounds it out with -H | 01:15 |
| Macer | i might add a sas or something to add on to the existing raid | 01:15 |
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| Macer | but that's later ;) | 01:16 |
| Macer | i can always just get an areca sas card and run it out and pair up the 2 in the system | 01:16 |
| rm_you | is that 5x2T drives? | 01:16 |
| Macer | 8x1TB | 01:16 |
| rm_you | 9x1TB? | 01:16 |
| jakemaheu | i've got an 80GB for my main (almost full), a 200GB for storage (full), and a 60GB for more storage(1/2 full) | 01:16 |
| rm_you | oh | 01:16 |
| Macer | + 2x80G for OS | 01:16 |
| rm_you | 7TB raid | 01:16 |
| Macer | 8TB raid5 ;) | 01:16 |
| Macer | 1 drive = parity | 01:16 |
| rm_you | right | 01:16 |
| rm_you | when I say 4Tb RAID | 01:17 |
| rm_you | i mean i have 5x1Tb drives | 01:17 |
| Macer | oh | 01:17 |
| Macer | ok :) i'll do the same from now on | 01:17 |
| Macer | haha | 01:17 |
| Macer | but then that makes my e-penis shrink | 01:17 |
| jakemaheu | my compy is IDE, not SATA, so not only is it hard to find big drives, they're really expensive | 01:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:17 |
| rm_you | use -H instead of -h | 01:17 |
| rm_you | it helps :P | 01:17 |
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| Macer | jakemaheu: tell tehm to get some new hardware.. the cheap bastards :) | 01:18 |
| Macer | i mean at the very least you can always get a drobo | 01:18 |
| Macer | heh | 01:18 |
| jakemaheu | D: | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | jakemaheu, maybe you can find a IDE-SATA converter | 01:18 |
| Macer | i wonder if they have an esata drobo | 01:18 |
| jakemaheu | my entire compy is old | 01:18 |
| Macer | they have to :) | 01:18 |
| jakemaheu | i'm just strapping onto it | 01:18 |
| jakemaheu | here's the specs | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | or, you know, SATA PCI controllers cost about ten bucks... | 01:18 |
| Macer | ah well.. i have that mer page going | 01:18 |
| Macer | i think that's all i'll do for the day | 01:18 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: hahaha | 01:19 |
| Macer | i was about to say the same thing :) | 01:19 |
| Macer | maybe he lives in eastern europe | 01:19 |
| Macer | or hk :) | 01:19 |
| Macer | i have to find a better theme for thsi tech wordpress page | 01:19 |
| Macer | and more plugins i suppose | 01:19 |
| jakemaheu | amd athlon xp+ 2600, 1gb ddr ram, 80GB hd, 200GB hd, 60GB hd (all IDE), ati radeon x1300 pro | 01:20 |
| jakemaheu | Stskeeps: If the Mer download server goes down, I'm gonna be mad. | 01:21 |
| lcuk | thats a decent spec machine | 01:22 |
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| rm_you | xp+ is like 3 generations ago <_< | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: lolwut? | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | yeah | 01:23 |
| rm_you | i mean, processesors havent gotten much better | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | it's only 32bit | 01:23 |
| lcuk | and? | 01:23 |
| rm_you | but the other hardware is dated | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | yeah they have | 01:23 |
| lcuk | when do you need 64bits? | 01:23 |
| rm_you | IE, lack of SATA | 01:23 |
| rm_you | or PCI-express | 01:23 |
| lcuk | if the drives are humming along nicely and it does whats expected of it - its working | 01:23 |
| jakemaheu | they have quad-core 64bit multithreaded cpus | 01:23 |
| lcuk | they have had multicore super cpus for decades | 01:24 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: except that i can't add anymore storage now and i need it | 01:24 |
| jakemaheu | i torrent a LOT | 01:24 |
| lcuk | and i havent seen any real advancements in compiler stuffs to make use of extra SLOWER cores | 01:24 |
| rm_you | yeah the XP+ series was a great series of procs | 01:24 |
| jakemaheu | bullshit | 01:24 |
| rm_you | but it tells a lot about the REST of the system | 01:24 |
| woglinde | lcuk some databases are better with 64bit | 01:24 |
| jakemaheu | i do a lot of gaming | 01:24 |
| jakemaheu | and mapmaking | 01:24 |
| lcuk | woglinde, and those have been using 64bit now since ~2000 ish (or before) | 01:25 |
| jakemaheu | compiling maps is like amazingly faster on a new system | 01:25 |
| rm_you | if it uses multi-core, then yeah | 01:25 |
| lcuk | what sort of maps? | 01:25 |
| jakemaheu | the half-life 2: episode 2 engine uses multicore rendering | 01:25 |
| * lcuk knows it will be WADS | 01:25 | |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: hl2:dm | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | bsp actually | 01:26 |
| * lcuk loves hl2 | 01:26 | |
| lcuk | and portal | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | <33333 me too! | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | and tf2 | 01:26 |
| rm_you | everyone and their mother loves portal :P | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | my gf doesn't | 01:26 |
| lcuk | no, my mum doesnt like it | 01:26 |
| rm_you | sadface | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | D: | 01:26 |
| lcuk | she wants something easier | 01:26 |
| Macer | :) | 01:26 |
| rm_you | get a new GF | 01:26 |
| Macer | "Are you sure to continue?" - yes | 01:26 |
| rm_you | lcuk: get a new mother :P | 01:26 |
| jakemaheu | she wants to try TF2 tho | 01:26 |
| Macer | hehe | 01:26 |
| lcuk | heh | 01:27 |
| Macer | ze computer shall restart | 01:27 |
| Macer | who made the mer dialogues? | 01:27 |
| jakemaheu | ? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | jakemaheu, ok, you have a defined desire for faster machine, but its not exactly a slouch for most things | 01:27 |
| rm_you | lol depends on which one | 01:27 |
| Macer | "Are you sure to continue?" | 01:27 |
| Macer | ? :) | 01:27 |
| Macer | it had to be Stskeeps | 01:28 |
| lcuk | i only just upgraded my system recently | 01:28 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: I guess it does what I need, but not well. | 01:28 |
| Macer | he sounds like he would say something like that | 01:28 |
| Macer | haha | 01:28 |
| rm_you | johnx made or influences some of them IIRC | 01:28 |
| Macer | the euroenglish | 01:28 |
| jakemaheu | the guy who runs the server i play on just upgraded | 01:28 |
| lcuk | Macer, he just did an open chan session | 01:28 |
| jakemaheu | it's crazy | 01:28 |
| lcuk | and randomly assigned lines from chat into the translations | 01:28 |
| lcuk | just wait until you get to some of the late night messages | 01:29 |
| jakemaheu | lcuk: the hl2:dm server is Two Dual Xeon 2.4 GHz processors with 3 GB ram. This is a "real" server with RAID, etc. | 01:30 |
| woglinde | a real server has blades and san | 01:30 |
| jakemaheu | woglinde: GTFO | 01:31 |
| jakemaheu | correction: it's a real gaming server | 01:31 |
| lcuk | woglinde, a real searver has napkins and FOOD | 01:31 |
| lcuk | server | 01:31 |
| woglinde | bacon | 01:32 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmmmmmmm | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | BACON | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | I LOVE BACON | 01:32 |
| woglinde | lcuk too | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | BACON WEAVES ARE AWESOME TOO | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | i am a master of the bacon weave | 01:32 |
| lcuk | why is my screen turning red | 01:32 |
| lcuk | who is mentioning bacon! | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | lol | 01:32 |
| jakemaheu | everyone | 01:32 |
| * lcuk should never have added it as a triggerword | 01:32 | |
| jakemaheu | heh | 01:33 |
| jakemaheu | bacon | 01:33 |
| jakemaheu | i should make a bot that checks for you being online and that says bacon occasionally | 01:33 |
| jakemaheu | just to bug you | 01:33 |
| jakemaheu | :D | 01:33 |
| lcuk | i have a bot that responds to bacon | 01:33 |
| Macer | hahah | 01:34 |
| lcuk | so even when im not online it will still respond | 01:34 |
| Macer | wtf is a bacon weave? | 01:34 |
| jakemaheu | hang on | 01:34 |
| Macer | is that like some canadian thing? | 01:35 |
| Macer | like calling a house a howoose? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | a bacon weave is the perfect layer in a blt | 01:36 |
| jakemaheu | http://www.instructables.com/id/Bacon-Placemats/ | 01:36 |
| woglinde | whats blt? | 01:36 |
| jakemaheu | nuff said since i can't find the right site | 01:36 |
| jakemaheu | this: http://www.bbqaddicts.com/blog/recipes/bacon-explosion/ is even cooler | 01:37 |
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| jakemaheu | n;t: a sandwhich wiht bacon, lettuce, and tomato | 01:37 |
| lcuk | and mayo | 01:37 |
| Macer | wow that is disgusting | 01:37 |
| Macer | haha | 01:37 |
| jakemaheu | eew | 01:37 |
| jakemaheu | which one? | 01:37 |
| Macer | the bacon-placemats | 01:38 |
| woglinde | suckers now I am hungry again | 01:38 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:38 |
| lcuk | we aren't suckers | 01:39 |
| jakemaheu | Macer: blasphemy! | 01:39 |
| lcuk | i would actually like to make proper bacon one day | 01:39 |
| jakemaheu | if you bake the bacon in the oven it's pretty good | 01:39 |
| jakemaheu | it's evenly cooked and all straight | 01:39 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, pigs make the bacon | 01:40 |
| LinuxCode | I dont see how you could make it any better | 01:40 |
| rm_you | lcuk: like, go buy a pig? | 01:40 |
| rm_you | lcuk: THAT kind of *make* proper bacon? :P | 01:40 |
| Macer | like | 01:40 |
| Macer | i don't have anything against pork.. but that thing makes me want to convert to islam | 01:40 |
| lcuk | yes, properly prepared and smoked bacon | 01:41 |
| lcuk | not just lifted from a shelf in plastic packaging :) | 01:41 |
| rm_you | wait, could you put baconaise on a BLT? :P | 01:41 |
| jakemaheu | ahmake friends with a butcher | 01:41 |
| rm_you | that would be SWEET | 01:41 |
| jakemaheu | ? baconaise? | 01:41 |
| lcuk | spending months curing it and anticipating the amazingness afterwards | 01:41 |
| Macer | or you can just go to the butcher and ask for fresh bacon? | 01:41 |
| Macer | hah | 01:41 |
| lcuk | fresh pig arse from a butchers is usually uncured | 01:42 |
| Macer | i mean.. butchers still just cut meat right? :) now that i think about it though. there really aren't many good butchers | 01:42 |
| lcuk | i want to go through the entire process | 01:42 |
| rm_you | from pig to platter :P | 01:42 |
| Macer | lcuk: like killing the pig? | 01:42 |
| lcuk | but yeah starting from a dead pig would be logical | 01:42 |
| Macer | and cuttign it up? | 01:42 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:42 |
| Macer | that is the first sign of a murderer | 01:42 |
| Macer | :) | 01:42 |
| jakemaheu | extra-thick slices of bacon! | 01:42 |
| jakemaheu | bacon cubes | 01:42 |
| rm_you | or the first sign of someone who likes delicious bacon :P | 01:42 |
| lcuk | OMG< my local butcher is goin postal! | 01:42 |
| Macer | lcuk: yup | 01:43 |
| Macer | haha | 01:43 |
| lcuk | how come you dont hear about it much then | 01:43 |
| Macer | i mean like... killing and cuttign animals | 01:43 |
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| rm_you | when i look at anything considered a common food animal, i pretty much just see a walking version of the processed result | 01:43 |
| Macer | lcuk: because you don't read up about serial killers much | 01:43 |
| lcuk | "local morrisons butchered jailed for life for carving his missus into lovely steaks" | 01:43 |
| rm_you | cows are like hamburgers/steaks on legs | 01:43 |
| Macer | most serial killers murdered animals to start with | 01:43 |
| lcuk | rm_you, you sound like homer | 01:43 |
| Macer | then moved on to bigger and better things | 01:43 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:43 |
| rm_you | well it's true | 01:44 |
| Macer | anyways. i'm off to work on this site a littlemore then sleep | 01:44 |
| lcuk | Macer, i have heard most serial killers read up about what other serial killers did | 01:44 |
| rm_you | rofl | 01:44 |
| rm_you | I've heard that too :P | 01:44 |
| lcuk | and you telling me all this information is rather revealing, should we be dialing? | 01:44 |
| Macer | lcuk: touche | 01:47 |
| jakemaheu | starting mer | 01:47 |
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| jakemaheu | i like the spash | 01:47 |
| jakemaheu | er, splash | 01:48 |
| jakemaheu | >.< | 01:48 |
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| Macer | lol | 01:52 |
| Macer | see what happens when you run Mer! | 01:52 |
| Macer | :-P | 01:52 |
| lbt | night all | 01:52 |
| woglinde | nite lbt | 01:53 |
| lcuk | nite lbt | 01:53 |
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| lcuk | hi z4chh | 01:54 |
| z4chh | hi | 01:54 |
| * lcuk smiles at kickass multitouch | 01:54 | |
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| lcuk | z4chh, i never asked you | 01:55 |
| lcuk | do you like bacon? | 01:55 |
| woglinde | lol | 01:56 |
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| lcuk | guess not :'( | 01:58 |
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| jakemaheu | hello again | 02:01 |
| jakemaheu | mer is actually pretty good | 02:02 |
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| jakemaheu | bacon | 02:05 |
| * lcuk takes a rasher | 02:05 | |
| jakemaheu | there you are | 02:05 |
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| Proteous | Known Issues - UI | 03:17 |
| Proteous | When using Need/Greed loot mode, defeated mobs turn into shark models. | 03:17 |
| Proteous | ... | 03:17 |
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| lcuk | Proteous, o_O | 03:19 |
| lcuk | which game? | 03:19 |
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| Proteous | can't say | 03:22 |
| Proteous | sorry | 03:22 |
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| madlord | Hello, is anybody on? | 03:39 |
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| prak | anyone here familiar with scratchbox who knows how to determine whether a particular package is included in the sdk? | 04:07 |
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| madlord | Hi, I'm having a problem with the default browser of my n800, when I open it, it only shows the "updating" msg on the left top corner. I dont know what's happening and how to solve it. | 04:12 |
| madlord | But I constateted that browserd is not running, can this be the problem? | 04:13 |
| madlord | Thanks for some help | 04:13 |
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| lcuk | madlord, try http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25526 | 04:15 |
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| madlord | lcuk: that's it, thank you very much | 04:22 |
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| tom-davidson | hi, any one use http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ to manage a swap partition on external SD? | 09:50 |
| opi | I do. | 09:53 |
| opi | I mean, I use it, I don't think I use it to manage swap | 09:54 |
| tom-davidson | ha ha, ok. I have the applet install and a swap partion. i can use "swapon -a" and than "free" to verify | 09:54 |
| tom-davidson | but im not understanding how to use the applet to use swap on boot and to let me disable to eject the sd card | 09:55 |
| opi | there's an option for that in Control Panel IIRC | 09:55 |
| opi | wait, I'll grab my N800 | 09:55 |
| opi | yup | 09:56 |
| opi | Control Panel - Memory - Virtual (tab) | 09:56 |
| tom-davidson | IIRC? | 09:56 |
| opi | If I recall clearly | 09:56 |
| tom-davidson | "Control Panel - Memory - Virtual" is for a swapfile on the root MTD. im useing a swap partion on a differnt MTD.... | 09:57 |
| opi | hmmm, it saves my pagefile on "Internal Memory Card", I wonder if you could edit rc.local to have it swapon from different location | 09:59 |
| opi | I'm not the best person to answer your question, I'm rather noobish when it comes to Maemo ;( | 10:00 |
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| tom-davidson | i got ya. i was tring to avoid the swapfile all together and stick with the partiions | 10:02 |
| tom-davidson | will chekc out the rc.local though and see if i get any ideas | 10:03 |
| tom-davidson | thanks | 10:03 |
| slonopotamus | tom-davidson, just do `swapon /dev/whatever_partition`? | 10:04 |
| opi | slonopotamus: he want to have it automagically, if I understand him correctly | 10:04 |
| tom-davidson | right. from the cli i can do that. tright to have to auto at boot and an applet so i can eject my sd card with out the system crashing. load-applet says it can manage thw swap, but i not seeing how | 10:05 |
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| slonopotamus | create init script then | 10:07 |
| slonopotamus | hmm, no, wait | 10:07 |
| slonopotamus | just put it into /etc/fstab? :) | 10:08 |
| opi | that would work, I think | 10:08 |
| slonopotamus | that's the proper way, btw :) | 10:08 |
| opi | then you would need script with swapoff and you're good to go | 10:09 |
| opi | only problem is when you have too much memory swapped and you /sbin/swapoff it ;) | 10:09 |
| tom-davidson | fstab should boot auto... i need to find out what my entry is not. | 10:12 |
| tom-davidson | /dev/mmcblk1p2 swap swap defaults 0 0 | 10:12 |
| tom-davidson | this applet claims to handle the swap, but i dont see the options... http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ | 10:13 |
| tom-davidson | anyone want to install it and report your experiance? | 10:19 |
| opi | as I said I have it and no, I do not see anything swap related | 10:20 |
| tom-davidson | thanks opi... i forgot that allready. i think its time to email the creator. | 10:21 |
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| tom-davidson | for those intrested, i posted a thread at the garage project: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=4283&forum_id=34 | 10:26 |
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| tom-davidson | thanks again slonopotamus: and opi: , good night | 11:01 |
| opi | see you | 11:02 |
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| Stskeeps | . | 11:45 |
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| lcuk | seriously impressive running robot! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv35ItWLBBk (rt from quim!) | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:39 |
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| lcuk | mornin Jaffa \o | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: poke | 13:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: ja? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | you will want to grab the slidees from 'not your grandpa's debhelper' | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | watching the talk atm | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=306774#post306774 | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | this isn't the maemo sdk ttheme is it? | 13:12 |
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| wazd | icons are blue | 13:15 |
| wazd | I think they made it to determine device shots | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, match by RGB value? | 13:16 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, icons from SDK are greenish :) | 13:16 |
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| wazd | And this post is like "haha, you can't make proper software without actual device... oh, damn, it's obvious" to me :) | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if mer is close enough | 13:20 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: BTW, powerlaunch (as always) has the powerup request message that you'd want to send to switch state | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | will add as talk | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | err | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | task | 13:22 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Also: you sure that linuxrc's clause to start in runlevel 5 if dsme reports actdead state isn't fucking you over? | 13:22 |
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| Stskeeps | not 100% | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | good point | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks, qwerty12_N810 | 13:29 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 13:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya | 13:43 |
| RST38h | any news? any images of maemo5 device dressed like a pumpkin? | 13:44 |
| RST38h | hey wazd | 13:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: sorta) | 13:44 |
| lcuk | not as a pumpkin, but we DO know nokia buildings do not have flat walls | 13:45 |
| wazd | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=306781 | 13:45 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 13:45 |
| lcuk | they seem to have some sort of fail gravity | 13:45 |
| wazd | i mean | 13:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=306781 | 13:45 |
| * RST38h on a train watching the ticket lady come | 13:45 | |
| lcuk | wazd, why are you showing me my own postings? :p | 13:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: run, forest, run! :D | 13:45 |
| wazd | lcuk: yep, missfire :) | 13:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: no way I can open that from a phone :( | 13:46 |
| LinuxCode | wazd, gee thanks mate, now I had to see half of lcuk's ugly face | 13:46 |
| LinuxCode | and its only morning | 13:46 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 13:46 |
| lcuk | only half! | 13:46 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 13:46 |
| LinuxCode | j/k | 13:46 |
| lcuk | thank your lucky stars | 13:46 |
| lcuk | i have to see the whole thing every mornin | 13:46 |
| * LinuxCode nudges lcuk | 13:46 | |
| LinuxCode | hahaha! | 13:46 |
| RST38h | LinuxCode: fixed in harmattan no doubt :) | 13:47 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, would you like a mask for x-mas ? | 13:47 |
| lcuk | as long as its not http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/guy.jpg yeah | 13:47 |
| LinuxCode | hahaah | 13:48 |
| LinuxCode | thatsa good mask | 13:48 |
| LinuxCode | ok so my hd isnt failing | 13:49 |
| LinuxCode | my brother or his osx is failing | 13:49 |
| lcuk | so i can carry on using your machine then? | 13:49 |
| * LinuxCode refrains from returning another hd to WD | 13:49 | |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, which one ? | 13:49 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 13:49 |
| lcuk | i stopped when you were noticing problems | 13:49 |
| LinuxCode | my jornada 710 with familiar on it, sure | 13:50 |
| RST38h | CAVIAR? | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, 1TB GP | 13:50 |
| RST38h | ah | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | not sure if they are caviars | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | I had 9, so far 2 were returned | 13:50 |
| RST38h | caviars were really bad for a long time | 13:50 |
| wazd | I just bought used 1TB HDD filled with 1080 movies | 13:50 |
| LinuxCode | wazd, lol nice | 13:51 |
| RST38h | 3/10 failure rate in the first 3 months | 13:51 |
| wazd | I can't delete them, they are too cool :( | 13:51 |
| LinuxCode | how kind of that person not to delete his movie collection | 13:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: THAT kind of movies? | 13:51 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope, there were only two of them :D | 13:51 |
| RST38h | Linux: that was actually a marketing trick to make wazd buy another hd | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | RST38h, haha | 13:52 |
| RST38h | heh | 13:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep, I think so too :( | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | tbf to WD though I was punishing the drives | 13:52 |
| wazd | I have only 24 gb free | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | rebuilding raid6 array multiple times for testing purposes | 13:52 |
| LinuxCode | on hardware card....took ages | 13:53 |
| wazd | oh, I can delete Lost :) | 13:53 |
| LinuxCode | wazd, nothing a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=1M wont fix for you | 13:53 |
| RST38h | lost. | 13:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: No dom2 there? | 13:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I thought British reality shows were weird... | 13:54 |
| RST38h | although you would have to wipe plates with rubbing alcohol after THAT | 13:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: unfortunately not :( | 13:55 |
| RST38h | qwerty: Right, that is exactly how rest of us are liking them | 13:55 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 13:55 |
| RST38h | qwerty: although japanese are leading in terms of kinkiness | 13:55 |
| wazd | full collection of James Bond movies | 13:55 |
| RST38h | cant delete it right? | 13:56 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm not sure I've seen em all :) | 13:56 |
| RST38h | still. | 13:56 |
| wazd | oh my god, Zadornov's anthology | 13:56 |
| RST38h | kill Kill KILL | 13:56 |
| * RST38h knew something like that would be there | 13:57 | |
| wazd | RST38h: colored "17 moments of spring" :) | 13:57 |
| RST38h | they are ok | 13:57 |
| RST38h | hint: disney flicks are the next likely target | 13:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: haven't reached "cartoons" folder yet :) | 13:58 |
| RST38h | disney actually blessed us with some movies too | 13:58 |
| wazd | RST38h: I have "Pirates" :) | 13:59 |
| RST38h | mmm...undecided | 13:59 |
| lcuk | wazd, which one lol | 14:00 |
| * RST38h feels bad deleting anything with Cthulhu in one of the main roles | 14:00 | |
| wazd | lcuk: all of them :) | 14:00 |
| lcuk | wasnt the first one the most expensive porn movie ever made or something | 14:00 |
| RST38h | there was porn? hmmm | 14:01 |
| lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_(2005_film) | 14:01 |
| wazd | lcuk: RST38h: Oh, i saw it btw xD | 14:02 |
| wazd | house m.d., goodbye | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 14:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it's cool but i've already saw it :) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | i was referring to the house stuff :P | 14:03 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :) | 14:04 |
| wazd | whole Star Wars collection | 14:04 |
| RST38h | nooo | 14:04 |
| wazd | even some fanfic movie | 14:04 |
| wazd | Star Wars - Revelations | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Any Terry Gilliam stuff? (to watch I mean not to delete) | 14:05 |
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| nai1sirk | I'm feeling a bit torn about the new maemo device, is the mobile(crunch?) roumor likely to be true? | 14:10 |
| RST38h | yes. | 14:10 |
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| nai1sirk | I feel 180 grams is a bit much for a cell phone | 14:10 |
| RST38h | still no word on builtin or external mike though | 14:11 |
| nai1sirk | it looks like a phone, it's got a speaker right where it should be if it were a phone | 14:11 |
| nai1sirk | also it looks a bit on the chubby side, about the same thickness as the htc-touch pro | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | nai1sirk: it's really powerful though :P also, there's no pictures out | 14:13 |
| RST38h | there are no real images of n9x0 right now | 14:13 |
| RST38h | whatever you are looking at may or may not be real | 14:13 |
| RST38h | the 180g figure is also dubious | 14:14 |
| opi | oh, I missed N9x0 rumors, can anyone share a link? | 14:14 |
| RST38h | talk.maemo.org | 14:14 |
| nai1sirk | what about this picture here (overlook the negativity in the link, the guy is an ass) http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/05/25/nokia-n900-rover-tablet-gets-pictured-specd/ | 14:14 |
| RST38h | search | 14:14 |
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| thux | 'gorbatshow' mobira cityman weight 800 grams | 14:15 |
| RST38h | nai: if we are talking about a lowres image it was taken from a 1-2 year old nokia presentation | 14:15 |
| kkrusty | mer seems slow | 14:15 |
| kkrusty | in a vm | 14:15 |
| RST38h | then dont us vm | 14:15 |
| kkrusty | I mean a lot slower than a full blown ubuntu vm | 14:16 |
| RST38h | vms are crap | 14:16 |
| nai1sirk | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ this looks like the same device | 14:16 |
| nai1sirk | still from an old presentation? | 14:16 |
| opi | I wouldn't mind to replace my N800 | 14:16 |
| nai1sirk | also, it looks like an icon from the meamo 5 sdk | 14:16 |
| RST38h | now you are probably looking at a rendering done in 3d, right? | 14:17 |
| opi | there's nothing on the market that fits my needs like Meamo/Nx | 14:17 |
| Myrtti | I wouldn't have any faith in any of the specifications or proposed pictures of it before it's officially announced | 14:17 |
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| kkrusty | nai1sirk: they didnt fix the keyboard even? | 14:17 |
| nai1sirk | RST38h: yupp | 14:17 |
| RST38h | nai: the sources of that one are also dubious, it is not a photo and not an official rendering | 14:17 |
| nai1sirk | kkrusty: three rows | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: hey, guys can dream cant they? | 14:18 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: sure, dream on. | 14:18 |
| kkrusty | nai1sirk: thats making it different. not fixing it | 14:18 |
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| Myrtti | it's the speculations and haste arguments I dislike | 14:18 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: btw, Nokia just submitted a pink n97 to the fcc ;) | 14:18 |
| lcuk | in that mockup, it looks like the keyboard was added afterwards | 14:18 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: ewww | 14:19 |
| kkrusty | nai1sirk: fixing it would be not to have the keys right on top/bottom of each other | 14:19 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: yes, the screen too | 14:19 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, as a female you should be yayyyying shouldnt you lol | 14:19 |
| * Myrtti shall have a white N86 | 14:19 | |
| nai1sirk | I skipped over the n800, so I might skip the "n900" and wait for the next tablet if it is that thick. I like my devices slim. | 14:19 |
| lcuk | we can always use a hammer | 14:19 |
| * RST38h will buy 5800 if maemo phone ends up being a flop | 14:20 | |
| Myrtti | N97 has too many teething problems so I'll have my N86 | 14:20 |
| Myrtti | probably by the end of the year | 14:20 |
| lcuk | nai1sirk, if you have been waiting since the n800, maybe you would be interested in the n810 - it is slim AND has a keyboard! | 14:20 |
| kkrusty | I would've been really tempted to get an android phone if they came with a keyboard and good battery life | 14:20 |
| lcuk | it has a keyboard doesnt it | 14:21 |
| Myrtti | I thought it did | 14:21 |
| lcuk | not sure about battery suckage tho | 14:21 |
| lcuk | its got a really low res screen | 14:21 |
| Myrtti | I just love the misinformation that fogs this channel sometimes :-P | 14:21 |
| nai1sirk | Sorry, I meant i did not buy the n800. I have a 770 and a n810 | 14:21 |
| lcuk | what misinformation Myrtti, im playing farcry on my n810 right now | 14:22 |
| kkrusty | I have a n800 and I had a n810. They keyboard on that thing was useless | 14:22 |
| kkrusty | the n810 | 14:22 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: android not having a keyboard | 14:22 |
| Myrtti | etc | 14:22 |
| lcuk | hell of a lot better than the one on the n800 | 14:22 |
| nai1sirk | kkrusty: I like it, I don't write novels on it though | 14:22 |
| lcuk | it became a REAL computer when the kb was added | 14:22 |
| lcuk | and you kids know nothing, get a zx81 or something | 14:22 |
| RST38h | really? | 14:22 |
| kkrusty | nai1sirk: well even IMing is a pain on the n810 | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Myrtti <-- kinda critical today | 14:23 |
| lcuk | harder than n800? | 14:23 |
| nai1sirk | Is that a zx81 in your pocket? ... | 14:23 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I've grown to dislike IRC of late | 14:23 |
| lcuk | for mobile its even better | 14:23 |
| opi | nai1sirk: no, it's Atari 5200 Game system | 14:23 |
| RST38h | no I have upgraded to zx spectrum | 14:23 |
| lcuk | i so prefer the keyboard on n810 over iphone | 14:23 |
| Myrtti | I prefer the keyboard of N800 over N95 | 14:23 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: better than a thousand other ways to waste time | 14:23 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I like knitting and watching movies | 14:24 |
| kkrusty | lcuk: for me 3 things matter: 1) battery life 2) openness (no iphone) 3) a keyboard | 14:24 |
| lcuk | ok, so carry a cherry keyboard a car battery and a pda | 14:24 |
| * RST38h has not knit for 20+ years and watching a movie on a commuter train would look silly | 14:25 | |
| kkrusty | lcuk: in one piece :) | 14:25 |
| RST38h | hence irc | 14:25 |
| nai1sirk | I fear it may become less open with a mobile chip inside. Carriers are not happy about open devices that you can install voip etc. on | 14:25 |
| lcuk | kkrusty, duct tape was invented for this very purpose | 14:25 |
| Myrtti | I did knit my whole commute to and from my cousins wedding last weekend | 14:25 |
| kkrusty | the htc hero which would be a good candidate for this if it had a keyboard | 14:25 |
| Myrtti | made up a nice shawl | 14:25 |
| lcuk | or Myrtti can knit you something | 14:25 |
| RST38h | heh | 14:25 |
| kkrusty | lcuk: I prefer glue | 14:25 |
| lcuk | whatever, but i find it sticks to my needles | 14:26 |
| Myrtti | nice pink shawl. http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3745022697 | 14:26 |
| thux | Myrtti: kudotko mattoja? | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | a nice pink phone would match that | 14:26 |
| Myrtti | thux: years and years ago | 14:26 |
| LinuxCode | sweet, flashrom works | 14:27 |
| * kkrusty made a small bluetooth wardriving script for his n800 | 14:27 | |
| RST38h | wazd: did you know there is a station called Anykeyevka btw? | 14:27 |
| thux | Myrtti: ok just i have extra kangaspuut to dispose somewhere | 14:27 |
| wazd | RST38h: yep :) [:/\/\:] :) | 14:27 |
| Myrtti | thux: moving to UK this year :-/ | 14:27 |
| RST38h | Unless I am having hallucinations of course | 14:28 |
| thux | Myrtti: ok cool | 14:28 |
| kkrusty | https://sourceforge.net/projects/ploxscan/ | 14:28 |
| * Myrtti goes about to draw a bath long overdue | 14:28 | |
| LinuxCode | dont forget the deo after | 14:29 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 14:29 |
| lcuk | Myrtti in pencil> | 14:29 |
| lcuk | ? | 14:29 |
| RST38h | Poor little e70 is dying | 14:30 |
| kkrusty | it requires some work to get going but Im using it as a python programming exercise | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Its corpse will be preserved for the history while its soul goes to the great backup storage in the sky | 14:31 |
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| * kkrusty wonders if anyone is looking at his project | 14:32 | |
| RST38h | kkrusty: not fromhere, not unless you describe it verbally | 14:33 |
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| thux | what app is most used in maemo? kind of killer app as they say | 14:34 |
| nai1sirk | kkrusty: have you released a version of it yet? It looks cool | 14:34 |
| nai1sirk | thux: gpodder | 14:34 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: well its a script that scans for bluetooth devices and speech synthesizes the names of the devices it found and the time it found them. It logs its results to a sqlite db and if it refinds something it will also tell you when it last found the device | 14:34 |
| RST38h | thux: fbreader here | 14:34 |
| kkrusty | nai1sirk: not yet. | 14:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~musthave | 14:35 |
| infobot | somebody said musthave was Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects | 14:35 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: sounds fun, does not take a few things into account | 14:35 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: one is the battery drain | 14:36 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: true. | 14:36 |
| kkrusty | and? | 14:36 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: anotheris that quite a few bt names may be unpronouncable | 14:36 |
| nai1sirk | Vagalume was a must have app until last.fm started a subscription only service in all smaller countries:-P Now I have left it in the dust | 14:36 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: that too is true. | 14:36 |
| nai1sirk | I's really like a spotify app though | 14:36 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: I've had that happen quite a lot of times | 14:36 |
| RST38h | not everyone calls their device "rover" :) | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | nai1sirk: i pay my 3 eur a month happily. compared to the bw i use at their site, i don't mind. | 14:37 |
| RST38h | vagalume worksforme | 14:37 |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h++ but I'm in the UK, where it's still free | 14:37 |
| RST38h | i have registered my account in the us | 14:38 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: what would you think of a solution that involved gps? | 14:38 |
| RST38h | it seems to work | 14:38 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: more battery drain, shitty gps on n810 | 14:38 |
| nai1sirk | Last.fm and pandora(earlier) have so many limitations, that it's like radio (you can't decide the exact track) So I prefer spotify | 14:38 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: here is a better idea | 14:38 |
| RST38h | nai: yea, i prefer playing local music way better | 14:39 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, arent you meant to be debconfing it and not paying attention to irc lol | 14:39 |
| RST38h | nai: except that lastfm may sometimes hint me on more music to liten to | 14:39 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: make it scan for bt devices hack into them and ply subliminal messages! :) | 14:40 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Did anyone ever try despotify on tablets? It builds using its ao audio backend but my Spotify account is a free one, so I couldn't test it | 14:40 |
| kkrusty | I was thinking of changing the scan frequency and duration depending on whether the user is moving or not. | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: hacklab, no interesting talks for 4 hours | 14:41 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: does this project give a sinister vibe? because this is the same thing someone else told me to do :D | 14:41 |
| RST38h | gps will eat way more power than you can save this way | 14:41 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: accelerometer? | 14:41 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: the sinisterer the better! | 14:41 |
| RST38h | no accelerometer on n8x0 | 14:42 |
| lcuk | cool, Stskeeps what have you seen thats impressed you so far | 14:42 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: well a usb accelerometer I guess | 14:42 |
| RST38h | more power drain | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i've seen things that didn't impress me.. | 14:42 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: actually if I can try to vary the scan frequencies depending on the scan results I get I guess the battery life can improve a bit. Overall it isnt that much of a battery drain from experience | 14:43 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps thats not a good impression then, is the beer cold and good? | 14:43 |
| RST38h | yes, but what would be the goal of collecting this data? | 14:43 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: I think I'll need to properly measure the battery life with and without the script running to get a better idea | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | haven't had a drop of alcohol really :P | 14:43 |
| RST38h | I mean if not for snding subliminal msgs | 14:44 |
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| Myrtti | oo, a bit too hot | 14:44 |
| RST38h | ohmygod chrisian graffiti | 14:45 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: possibly no useful goals. All it does is give you an estimate of how many people you come across and also tell you if you met the same person during different times | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | bathtubtablet, Myrtti ? :P | 14:46 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: ♥ | 14:46 |
| Myrtti | one of the best usecases | 14:46 |
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| RST38h | kkrusty: ah, knowledge building thing! use the camera too :) | 14:46 |
| Myrtti | that, and lootablet | 14:46 |
| lcuk | lootablet is wrong :| | 14:46 |
| Myrtti | tis not | 14:47 |
| lcuk | thats like tweeting | 14:47 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: its funny how when Im standing at a bus stop and a guy walks up next to me and it announces: "yes I know I need a shave. First seen now. " | 14:47 |
| Myrtti | how else am i supposed to communicate in a pubs ladiesroom? | 14:47 |
| lcuk | "im crapping" | 14:47 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, SHOUT! | 14:48 |
| Myrtti | "please caall me and make up an excuse to get me out of here" | 14:48 |
| RST38h | why would you want communicate there? | 14:48 |
| RST38h | kkrusty: and you are calling me sinister... | 14:49 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, thats a different thing | 14:49 |
| lcuk | thats a panic button/easter egg on the device itself | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | oh crap | 14:49 |
| Myrtti | my shaver fell in | 14:49 |
| kkrusty | RST38h: well what they name their phones is public knowledge isnt it? or they could just disable device discovery | 14:50 |
| * Myrtti anticipates a painful encounter with Gillette triple blade | 14:50 | |
| RST38h | satan likes stupid people yes | 14:50 |
| RST38h | (that was to kkrusty =)) | 14:51 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, does tablet cope underwater? | 14:51 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: haven't tested, will not either | 14:52 |
| kkrusty | there are so many exciting things you can use this for. Like finding out that A B and C have been previously seen during the same scan. Maybe they're a group! | 14:52 |
| lcuk | good idea lol | 14:52 |
| RST38h | all right next stop is mine | 14:52 |
| lcuk | kkrusty, you need to put it all on an aliens style radar pinging thing | 14:53 |
| lcuk | "omg theyre right on top of us, theyr in the frikkin walls man" | 14:53 |
| kkrusty | is that project a touch too crazy? | 14:54 |
| lcuk | i dunno, we discussed making one last year | 14:55 |
| lcuk | bt ping times are a bit excessive tho | 14:55 |
| kkrusty | well... I imagine that future bt ping times will be less | 14:56 |
| lcuk | retroactive upgrades to existing hardware? | 14:56 |
| kkrusty | lcuk: all in all its a python programming exercise for me | 14:56 |
| lcuk | thats what riply said | 14:56 |
| kkrusty | lcuk: no. porting this to symbian or newer tablets | 14:56 |
| kkrusty | for instance | 14:57 |
| lcuk | you want to have it for next devices or not? the sentence doesn't parse too well | 14:57 |
| kkrusty | lcuk: well yeah | 14:58 |
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| mavhc | the bluetooth device is broadcasting from inside the house! | 15:00 |
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| kkrusty | so are you guys going to give me 100,000 pounds or what? Seems like I just went to the dragon's den | 15:02 |
| lcuk | kkrusty, yeah, but before i do i have to ask for a favour | 15:03 |
| lcuk | can you lend me £120,000, im a bit short today | 15:03 |
| kkrusty | no | 15:03 |
| kkrusty | I had that "no" before your last message | 15:04 |
| lcuk | heh sounds like you play too many irc quizes :P | 15:04 |
| lcuk | you were too slow | 15:04 |
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| kkrusty | lcuk: I blame a bad keyboard | 15:05 |
| lcuk | a true gamer would blame their isp, mother, god and their unborn child on lag | 15:05 |
| * lcuk wins another small liqbase battle | 15:06 | |
| kkrusty | lcuk: the keyboard argument has context | 15:06 |
| kkrusty | *matches context | 15:06 |
| kkrusty | I've been bitching about the n810 keyboard | 15:07 |
| lcuk | yeah yeah :P | 15:08 |
| lcuk | is there a way to find out the number of threads in an app | 15:09 |
| lcuk | ie, if i am busy loading 100 images can i obtain the thread count and show it somewhere | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | google brings me crap about fabric | 15:10 |
| nai1sirk | How many here chatting from a NIT? | 15:11 |
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| ShadowJK | occasionally | 15:11 |
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| nai1sirk | I'm still trying to find a good use for my old 770, stskeeps, will there be an updated build of mer for 770, or have you abandoned it entirely? | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | nai1sirk: we are working on it - my 770'ed WSODed so I don't -personally- use time on it anymore. but others do. | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i just had Mer booting on a 770 yesterday, here at debconf, so | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | johnx, is this you :o http://www.manofest.com/Galleries/Funny/50-Epic-Super-Nerd-Photos/50-Epic-Super-Nerd-Photos_30-5233.html#joomimg | 16:03 |
| lcuk | for other folks, comparison http://www.flickr.com/photos/28959625@N04/3580915680/ | 16:03 |
| LinuxCode | lcuk, http://www.manofest.com/Galleries/Funny/50-Epic-Super-Nerd-Photos/50-Epic-Super-Nerd-Photos_1-5204.html#joomimg | 16:04 |
| LinuxCode | is this you ? | 16:04 |
| lcuk | :O shit how did that get out | 16:04 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 16:04 |
| lcuk | you told me you wouldnt post it on the net :'( | 16:04 |
| LinuxCode | what can I say...... I lied | 16:05 |
| lcuk | its not all bad, at least you put a pic of yourself up too :D | 16:06 |
| lcuk | http://www.manofest.com/Galleries/Funny/50-Epic-Super-Nerd-Photos/50-Epic-Super-Nerd-Photos_44-5247.html#joomimg | 16:06 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 16:08 |
| LinuxCode | that has to be me and my twin brother then, judging by his mass | 16:08 |
| lcuk | holy poo, i didnt actually realise i was on that photo with johnx lol | 16:08 |
| lcuk | (the flickr one) | 16:08 |
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| lbt | Look what just went over: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3758177598/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/3757379403/ | 16:46 |
| Myrtti | looks like Duxford | 16:47 |
| lbt | my house :) | 16:47 |
| Myrtti | hehe | 16:47 |
| lbt | looking straight up - it must have been just a couple hundred feet up | 16:48 |
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| Myrtti | we had similar but nothing as spectacular in Warboys | 16:48 |
| lbt | I love that you can see the gun turret when it banked through the trees - cool (and v. noisy!) | 16:49 |
| lbt | The germans must have heard them coming... | 16:49 |
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| lcuk | lbt, in celebration of your flyby, i think you should dress up like biggles and run around local shopping centre with arms outstretched | 17:08 |
| lbt | nah, did that last week... | 17:09 |
| lcuk | heh - that might explain the flyby itself then | 17:09 |
| rkirti | LOL | 17:13 |
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| chx | http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/oneusb/product-detailvqPxnzJKvIhR/China-32GB-Pny-Mini-Sdhc-Card.html anyone knows anything of this??? 32gb mini sdhc??? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | the picture shows 1gb | 17:35 |
| chx | lol! | 17:35 |
| chx | too good to be true isnt it. | 17:36 |
| lcuk | not really | 17:36 |
| lcuk | it will happen | 17:36 |
| lcuk | its like how we laugh now about how drive capacity used to be | 17:36 |
| lcuk | so the gb/tb ranges will be eclipsed | 17:36 |
| chx | yeah | 17:37 |
| chx | i so wish Nokia used two micro instead of one mini | 17:37 |
| lcuk | now THAT i agree with :) | 17:37 |
| lcuk | i never had an n800, but know i would prefer 2 removable, at the same time i understand why having a fixed perm drive there matters | 17:38 |
| chx | they could have made one hard to swap and one easy to swap | 17:38 |
| chx | like hide it behind the battery | 17:38 |
| chx | it's as good as fixed | 17:38 |
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| chx | what's the displaylink support status? | 17:48 |
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| mavhc | are 16GB microsds < twice the price of 8GB yet? | 17:49 |
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| mavhc | 8GB 11, 16GB 32, no, sigh | 17:51 |
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| chx | what's that british pounds? | 17:55 |
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| mavhc | yeah | 17:58 |
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| * ShadowJK wouldn't get the cheapest anyway | 18:02 | |
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| RST38h | All righty, Google Voice + Gizmo seems to be working | 18:04 |
| Macer | heh | 18:06 |
| Macer | still working on my android stuff | 18:06 |
| Macer | wordpress ftw | 18:06 |
| Macer | i need to make a better filebrowser type deal | 18:06 |
| Macer | but i suppose the stock apache stuff will do for browsing dirs now | 18:06 |
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| Macer | now that i think about it though | 18:07 |
| Macer | there really aren't too many Mer files out there | 18:07 |
| RST38h | A web based file browser? | 18:09 |
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| wazd | RST38h: web based web browser :) | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 18:35 |
| lcuk | wazd, does that use advanced web 2.0 technology? | 18:35 |
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| RST38h | does it involve the SHEEP? | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | if i create a symlink from an existing folder which already contains files, are the existing files listed along with "ls" | 18:58 |
| RST38h | they should be | 19:00 |
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| * GeneralAntilles is really tired of Nokia. | 19:08 | |
| LinuxCode | GA whats wrong now ?? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: maemo ecosystem is way saner than openmoko one.. | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm just so tired of the endless talk leading absolutely nowhere. | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, yes, we'll be more open and transparent. | 19:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, that didn't work, so now we'll be more open and transparent for Fremantle. | 19:09 |
| LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, well Intel and Nokia now work together | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that didn't work, either. | 19:09 |
| * Stskeeps is absolutely shellshocked after a session on openmoko | 19:09 | |
| LinuxCode | so,....keeping intels track record in mind, hopefully it will be more open | 19:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Promises to provide assistance to Mer which have yet to pan out. | 19:09 |
| RST38h | Sts: The sky is full of stars? :) | 19:09 |
| LinuxCode | i see | 19:09 |
| LinuxCode | that is rather disappointing then | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ah, i would like to say they are providing assistence. | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're nearly a year into the "open" Fremantle development and most developers are still hiding in the castle. | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | some of it is our fault for not working out | 19:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, have the new licenses even been released? | 19:10 |
| RST38h | General: Do we have a device? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: hmm? | 19:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, redistribution licenses for Nokia 1st-party stuff. | 19:11 |
| RST38h | General: I think you were just having wrong expectations for a large corporate entity | 19:11 |
| RST38h | In fact, Nokia is said to be one of the most bureaucratic .FI companies | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Saying, "Yes, you have our permission to violate the current license for the time being" and actually getting the licenses are two different things. | 19:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, whether or not that's true, it doesn't make those expectations any less valid or their failure to meet them any less shitty. | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of the BS, I'm tired of the waiting. | 19:12 |
| RST38h | The failure was completely predictable though | 19:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, but that's hardly helpful. | 19:12 |
| RST38h | The Fixed-in-Fremantle fiasco was not of course | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: ball is with Mer right now. my fault for not speccing it out yet | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | we're going along with what we agreed at the cph meeting. | 19:14 |
| LinuxCode | is there a mer channel too ? | 19:14 |
| LinuxCode | nvm | 19:14 |
| LinuxCode | less thinking...more action... | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | get things working, and on maemo.org, and then get license specced from nokia | 19:14 |
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| suihkulokki | it is generally much easier to convince people to open up when you have success stories from previous opening-ups | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody fix the #maemork icon? | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | suihkulokki, those we've provided. | 19:16 |
| suihkulokki | for example the pet whine here for a long time was the closed wifi driver | 19:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | As well as many trip ups we've had from closed-source stuff. | 19:16 |
| suihkulokki | the driver was opened, yet the community hasn't really cared about it | 19:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the vast majority of people don't have the skills to work with it. | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the rest don't benefit from it. | 19:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Getting the WiFi is only the first step of many to actually upgrade the kernel. | 19:18 |
| * Myrtti is happy to be oblivious of the technicalities apart from the documentation :-P | 19:18 | |
| StsN810 | i found out it was possible to forward move umac.ko, in an afternoon. | 19:19 |
| StsN810 | noone in community bothered to check before. | 19:19 |
| StsN810 | we've also had good response to mb4560 | 19:20 |
| StsN810 | initfs quibbles could have been fixed if anyone bothered to check if later uclibc open versions were compatible with initfs uclibc. | 19:21 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, they should have been fixed by Nokia who shouldn't have been sitting on their fucking asses for two years. | 19:22 |
| suihkulokki | thus, projects like mer that show what can be done with the already open stuff, are much more useful :) | 19:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | How much easier would Mer be to implement if, for instance, we didn't have to roll our own Control Panel applets. . . . | 19:23 |
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| StsN810 | qwerty12, of course, but it's an example that we should look within community first instead of demanding nokia does everything | 19:23 |
| suihkulokki | if you want nokia to do everything, where do you need the sources? | 19:24 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 19:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I just want to see some goddamn developers out here in the open. | 19:24 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | StsN810: Irrelevant. Nokia is legally obligated to release those sources either way. End of. | 19:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm tired of shit like what's happened with Hildon. | 19:24 |
| StsN810 | generalantilles, cp's are surprisingly simple, noone up to now stepped up to do it.. re developers, first mer cp was part qwerty and part timeless. | 19:25 |
| StsN810 | qwerty, agreed | 19:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | StsN810, unfortunately we don't have a ton of developers just waiting around to do stuff like that. | 19:26 |
| StsN810 | general; we're working with pymaemo guys too, and people are coming out in the open if there's sane people to talk to and cooperate with. | 19:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | StsN810, we've all been here for nearly 4 years. | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yet the makeup of the people out in the open hasn't changed radically in that time. | 19:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Excepting personnel moves. | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, what would you have developers do? | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Communicate. | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Make comments and triage bugs in Bugzilla. | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Now they just hide in the internal bug tracker) | 19:28 |
| StsN810 | general; the biggest issue for community is actually they don't seek out people or see if we can handle it ourselves. | 19:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Discuss things on the lists and forums. | 19:29 |
| lcuk | but what if the developers arent working on stuff thats in bugzilla yet | 19:29 |
| lcuk | cos its not out | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, that's only a valid argument for a few people. | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it then comes to a management issue. | 19:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is another problem. | 19:29 |
| StsN810 | we've been discussing about 3rd party browser things for some months and noone bothered to make an information request? | 19:29 |
| lcuk | i always thought timeless was chief browser guy around here | 19:30 |
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| lcuk | and hes been in amongst the community doing an amazing job | 19:30 |
| StsN810 | maybe we should make Request for Information bugs, answers which would establish ways for community to do something. | 19:30 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable | 19:31 |
| lcuk | as usual with your ideas Stskeeps :) | 19:31 |
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| StsN810 | noone's going to bother with us if we're just whining instead of seperating things to be done into what community could do and what info/help we need from nokia | 19:33 |
| StsN810 | which is much easier for a corporate structure to deal with | 19:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ohgod | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | My idiot friend decided that it would be a good idea to embed every piece of content imaginable with Flash applets. | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | On the front page there are 6 stories | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | 4 of which has Flash applets. | 19:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flickr, YouTube, and two PDFs. | 19:34 |
| suihkulokki | now he's asking why it's so slow on a tablet? | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, he doesn't own one. | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | But I'm going to tell him why it's slow on my 1.6GHz G5. | 19:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Idiocy. | 19:35 |
| lcuk | 4 applets kill your machine? | 19:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash applets | 19:38 |
| lcuk | still | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash on OS X is broken | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Flash on OS X PPC is broken as hell. | 19:38 |
| lcuk | get a better computer then :) | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | My better computer is waiting on Apple still | 19:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | and anything else requires cash | 19:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Does that mean you want to give me some, lcuk? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | :D but moaning at your mates is free | 19:39 |
| lcuk | i would happily send you some money, but postage would cost more than I have free right now ;) | 19:39 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: psst, sending some to London would be cheaper than sending it to the US ;) | 19:40 |
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| lcuk | cheaper, but still too much | 19:41 |
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| lbt | hee ... Google developed Latitude for the iPhone. Apple rejected it! | 19:43 |
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| lbt | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/26/1519201/Google-Latitude-Arrives-For-the-iPhone-mdash-As-a-Web-App | 19:43 |
| chx | well | 19:44 |
| chx | does the N810 have proper (ie. GPS-integrated) Google Maps support? | 19:44 |
| chx | My Symbian phone has that.. has the N810? | 19:45 |
| javispedro | it's called Maemo Mapper, I guess. | 19:45 |
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| chx | which , if i recall correctly needs maps preloaded? | 19:45 |
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| javispedro | chx, not at all | 19:45 |
| javispedro | well, I'm using Microsoft maps instead of google's | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | chx, it needs that or a network connection. | 19:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | So, it needs exactly what the thing on your Symbian phone needs. | 19:46 |
| chx | oh? it can work on line? | 19:46 |
| chx | downloading on-the-fly the maps from Google? What has Google to say on this? | 19:47 |
| * GeneralAntilles shrugs. | 19:47 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | gnuite works at Google anyway. | 19:47 |
| javispedro | "thank you for using my products"? | 19:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | OSM is also an option. | 19:47 |
| chx | GeneralAntilles: gnuite?? | 19:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The Maemo Mapper developers | 19:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/developers/developer/ | 19:48 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: The Maemo Mapper developer | 19:48 |
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| wazd | bike ride time | 20:29 |
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| vasily_pupkin | is there any way to setup bootmenu without hildon-desktop? :] | 21:19 |
| vasily_pupkin | or maybe somewhere can share initfs and his kernel for me? :] | 21:20 |
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| StsN810 | kernel doesn't change | 21:24 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | flasher-3.0 --flash-only | 21:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol, the 3G S crashes all of the time. | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: capacitive touchscreens such for trying to do useful things. | 21:53 |
| amr | anyone here got an htc magic? | 21:53 |
| amr | i quite fancy that for my next actual phone | 21:53 |
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| amr | i swear to god id rather remove my arms than use another symbian phone | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android sucks | 21:54 |
| amr | i quite liked it when i had a go on the g1 | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you wait until September? | 21:54 |
| amr | i hated the g1 physically tho | 21:54 |
| amr | why, whats in september? | 21:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Possibly the N900 | 21:54 |
| amr | oh i'm not really that fussed about the n900 | 21:55 |
| amr | if its out when i upgrade ill have a look | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo's way better than Android. | 21:55 |
| amr | maemo isn't a phone | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Says who? | 21:56 |
| amr | well my n810 lacks a sim card | 21:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Many signs seem to be pointing at the N900 being a phone. | 21:56 |
| amr | and i haven't played with an n900, nor has anyone else i imagine | 21:56 |
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| vasily_pupkin | eh | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Plenty of people have | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Problem is, they're all mostly under NDAs. | 21:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody can share their jffs2 image with bootmenu setuped for n810? | 21:57 |
| amr | so no one of any use then | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, whatever, my only point was that you may want to consider waiting if you like Maemo. | 21:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | with telnet | 21:57 |
| vasily_pupkin | :) | 21:57 |
| amr | maemo always feels like it lacks polish | 21:57 |
| amr | i'm not complaining | 21:58 |
| amr | i love my tablet | 21:58 |
| amr | and android certainly wasn't without it's (major) faults | 21:58 |
| amr | isn't* | 21:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, the current version is from 2007. | 21:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so um, pick a control panel | 22:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i can do another | 22:01 |
| timeless_mbp | just pick one, i should be able to do one per sprint :) | 22:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, talk to Stskeeps. | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | do we have a cp for setting the background image? :) | 22:04 |
| StsN810 | yeah, HD itsel-f | 22:04 |
| StsN810 | -- | 22:04 |
| * timeless_mbp stops w7 and goes off to run 0.15 | 22:05 | |
| * javispedro has seen some android code (binder) | 22:06 | |
| * javispedro hates when code assumes sizeof(void*)==sizeof(int) | 22:07 | |
| javispedro | specially when you design your whole ipc concept around that assumption | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | that works great anywhere near an ms os :) | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | (fail: w16, w64) | 22:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hrm | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't Advanced Backlight deal w/ audio settings? | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nope | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, would those people benefit from intptr_t too? | 22:09 |
| timeless_mbp | not at all? | 22:09 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Tied to the closed source multimediad which uses a gconf key to get/set volume level. | 22:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not as far as I know. | 22:09 |
| javispedro | binder happens to pass 4 byte strings "inline" (instead of using an extra allocation for larger strings) | 22:10 |
| javispedro | guess the reason for that magic number (4) | 22:10 |
| javispedro | hint: sizeof(void*) | 22:10 |
| javispedro | so as a result, compiling on amd64: hilarity ensues | 22:10 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 22:10 | |
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| chx | OH someone made an adapter to install full size SD cards! | 22:16 |
| ShadowJK | yes.. | 22:16 |
| chx | that's SO AWESOME! | 22:17 |
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| chx | 32GB here we go :) | 22:18 |
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| chx | is there a good external battery (ie similar in size) that i could use? | 22:22 |
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| chx | can someone countercheck that http://www.bixnet.com/5v7libapa.html this is indeed close to the N810? (My second N810 is still in transit after the first was lost :( ) | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Did you get a USB to 2mm adaptor? | 22:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, nevermind | 22:30 |
| chx | aye, they sell a kit, here http://www.bixnet.com/batpm55z4m4.html | 22:30 |
| chx | but what's important is the physical size | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 22:30 |
| chx | so that you can just put it under the tablet when it's in the case and charge. | 22:30 |
| chx | I am using a Nintendo DS case | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i can't seem to find advanced backlight | 22:31 |
| timeless_mbp | is it not available for fremantle? | 22:31 |
| chx | " the N800/N810 charger puts out 5V at 890 mA" | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's obsoleted it seems, timeless_mbp | 22:32 |
| chx | so that 5V pack should be fine electrically | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, there was no statusbar framework up until the last release. | 22:32 |
| wazd | "The new iPhone is doing for tall-screen video what DVDs and HD did for widescreen. Sweet." - Dan Frommer, Editor, Silicon Valley Insider | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then Quim essentially told us it was pointless for Fremantle. | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, reverse that | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | i disagree btw :) | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Quim told us it was useless, and the statusbar framework was only released with the last beta. | 22:33 |
| wazd | jeez, where does such a morons live | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: their moms basement | 22:33 |
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| wazd | And btw I wonder what DVD did to the widescreen | 22:35 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 22:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_you, ping? :P | 22:35 |
| Ape | What is the latest information about the N900? Will it have gsm / 3g and when will it be released? | 22:36 |
| chx | rumours has it'll have HSPA indeed | 22:36 |
| chx | speculation says Nokia World. September 3 or so. | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | chx, rumor also has GSM. | 22:37 |
| rkirti | This question has become probably become the "pickup line" for anyone entering #maemo......... | 22:37 |
| chx | GeneralAntilles: oh rly? | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: and friggen lasers! | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: does audio work in mer0.15 vmdk? | 22:37 |
| chx | I am not holding my breath, however. | 22:37 |
| wazd | and a bbq! | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if kernel picks it up and you turn it up using alsamixer | 22:38 |
| wazd | I wand bbq and coffee machine! | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | + unmute | 22:38 |
| chx | the price (because of the GSM parts and the necessary verification process in so many countries and the new-ness of the device) will surely be sky-high | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: any apps i can use to test it? | 22:38 |
| chx | like, i dunno , 600 eur / 800 usd. | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ukmp and friends want python-osso which is either unavailable or not a new enough version | 22:38 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: hmm, maemo or non maemo app? i'm not sure pulseaudio is installed | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | pulseaudio is installed | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | chx, lots of little hints in the code. | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Several leaks. | 22:39 |
| Ape | 600 euros while N810 is only about 300. I though something like 400 or maximally 500 for N900. | 22:39 |
| chx | wha? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | Ape: no pricing set.. | 22:39 |
| chx | N810 300EUR? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | n810 is way lower than 300 euro i think now | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:39 |
| chx | It's like 200-250USD right now. | 22:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: let's start with a commandline app | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: 'aplay' | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | is what i use to test ALSA | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | and dpkg -L liberty-sounds-ui | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't seem to have aplay | 22:40 |
| chx | tell me this, if the N97 is 600EUR why the N900 will be less. | 22:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | chx: sorry, this is #maemo | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | not #nokia | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nor #n900 | 22:40 |
| chx | sure | 22:40 |
| chx | sorry. | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | hardware pricing should be a taboo | 22:41 |
| Ape | Yeah | 22:41 |
| chx | i need to go , anyways :) | 22:41 |
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| mavhc | because we all really use emulators | 22:41 |
| Ape | Well then something about Maemo? How hard is it to port applications to maemo? I have made debian packages and know howto compile many things. | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Ape: that's about it :) | 22:42 |
| Ape | If I have a GTK debian application, can I run it on Maemo easily? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, good luck with that. ;) | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | depends on how finger friendly the app started as and how much time you want to spend improving it | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: taboos? | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, not much is taboo here. | 22:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia doesn't really set the topic. :P | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | Ape: experiences range re porting applications | 22:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ok, pulseaudio-utils + liberty-sounds-ui | 22:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: how do i get rid of the OSK again? | 22:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | Connection failure: Connection refused | 22:48 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: What were the locale related issues you had with Mer initially ? I am sure mine spring out of OE issues, but its been a while since I am trying to get rid of it, so maybe its good to know your soln. | 22:48 |
| rkirti | ouch wrong channel. :-( | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | #maemo is always the wrong channel these days. :( | 22:49 |
| * timeless_mbp blames management | 22:50 | |
| ShadowJK | chx_afk, regarding battery, mugen power has a double-size battery. the SD adapter supposedly also fits under the new cover that comes with mugen's extended battery | 22:50 |
| * rkirti blames her lack of caffeine for blindly IRC-ing | 22:50 | |
| * timeless_mbp ponders rkirti 's nationality | 22:51 | |
| rkirti | timeless_mbp: India. | 22:52 |
| chx_afk | ShadowJK: the mugen makes the device much heavier. having an external battery while it rests in its case (and in my backpack) does not make it heavier. it's a good compromise. | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | chx_afk, also N810 was 400+ euro when new :-) | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | or 400 usd | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | eur=usd | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | always fun | 22:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but don't think you're getting ripped off | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | remember, that nokia buys in EUR | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | $479 USD | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | N800 was $399 USD | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's the one losing on the exchange | 22:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | 770 was $379 USD | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I can also imagine that the prices in USD are without taxes and EUR prices includes them ;-) | 22:53 |
| timeless_mbp | that's true | 22:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | but tax is say 7% | 22:54 |
| timeless_mbp | the exchange is highe | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | 22% | 22:54 |
| timeless_mbp | us sales tax | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Assuming you buy retail | 22:54 |
| timeless_mbp | exchange can be something like 25% :) | 22:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Instead of, say, Newegg or Amazon | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | can't evade them like that here :( | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | Unless you order from China, and it costs less than ~50E | 22:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, when you want socialism you get it. | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | maybe there could be a kit.. | 22:55 |
| timeless_mbp | including FCC approval? | 22:55 |
| timeless_mbp | lemme think about that | 22:55 |
| GAN800 | Sales taxes are state taxes here. | 22:56 |
| * RST38h moos | 22:56 | |
| RST38h | Ok, whaddaya wanna know about sales taxes? | 22:56 |
| RST38h | ~ | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | How to avoid them | 22:57 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i start pulseaudio/ | 22:57 |
| RST38h | US: 5-20% sales tax, does not apply to ecommerce as long as your seller has no outlets in your state | 22:57 |
| RST38h | EU: 15-25% federal value added tax (VAT), collected always | 22:57 |
| timeless_mbp | alaska seems to have no sales tax :) | 22:57 |
| RST38h | EU: higher import taxes and dues | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | so, buy in anchorage or fairbanks | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | federal? it goes to the member states | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Oh, I used a US word for it | 22:58 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Imposed by the respective country government is the right term | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | Hm. I wonder who gets the VAT in the united states of germany... the federal government or the states :) | 22:59 |
| RST38h | Another reason not to buy in EU: Because the damn euro (and british pound too ) are so high against the dollar, your prices are going to be higher | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Probably the governement although I will not be surprised if the local governments get their share too, on top of that | 23:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so... | 23:01 |
| timeless_mbp | pulse-session gives me errors as user and root | 23:02 |
| timeless_mbp | pulse-session --system gives me a really amusing error when run as root | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, the exchange rate favors buying smartq :-) | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: SmartQ is good to buy at any exchange rate, as it costs <$200 US =) | 23:05 |
| StsN810 | timeless, yeah, it's a bit of a clusterfuck at times.. | 23:06 |
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| Ape | Easy to use symbolic calculator that could be easily ported for maemo: http://qalculate.sourceforge.net/ | 23:32 |
| lcuk | i believe someone has already started that | 23:34 |
| lcuk | the name looks familiar | 23:35 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25520 | 23:35 |
| lcuk | ahhh yes, lardman was mucking with it :) | 23:35 |
| Ape | Cool | 23:35 |
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| * Myrtti likes the handwriting calculator ♥ | 23:36 | |
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| Ape | Qalculate is even a very good one for computers. | 23:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, who is going to do a pedometer for Fremantle? | 23:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa? | 23:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | The eCoach guy? | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | maemo pedo finder? | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | like on the iphone? | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | (i know a pedometer is for measuring steps..) | 23:43 |
| suihkulokki | you can use the accelerometer to detect when a leg hits the ground | 23:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | The pedometer program on my 5800 works nicely | 23:44 |
| lcuk | i have a foot to do that job tyvm | 23:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles determined that he walks about 5-7 miles a day at work. | 23:44 | |
| * lcuk rages @ filesystem searches | 23:44 | |
| wazd | "maemo pedo finder?" - jesus christ, what the fuck is that?! :D | 23:45 |
| Stskeeps | wazd, you did not see the iphone sex offender map app? | 23:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | A program where you add pictures of people you hate... | 23:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: nope D | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | google it a bit | 23:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I want a variation on the theme: one that shows people convicted of selling weapons illegally | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | mashups from hell:P | 23:49 |
| lcuk | theres a drugs one for you qwerty | 23:50 |
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