IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2009-07-25

slops17what am i looking for in dmesg00:04
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coldbootQuestion: How long does it take to compile qt-maemo on a Dual-Core Intel Something, from scratch, in scratchbox 2, for arm in emulation mode?00:59
coldbootAnswer: Longer than 26 hours...01:00
coldbootThis is with -j201:00
derfYay C++!01:00
woglindecoldboot hm oh01:00
coldbootYay scratchbox 2 not running the cross compiler.01:00
coldbootIt's emulating gcc for arm on arm.01:01
coldbootRather than running gcc i386->arm cross compiler.01:01
coldbootWhy? Nobody knows because barely anyone uses sb2.01:01
derfI certainly don't.01:02
lcukhow long does it take natively01:02
woglindehm I use it01:03
lcukx86 for x8601:03
coldbootI think about 8 hours.01:03
coldbootI can't remember.01:03
lcukthats still a wtf01:03
woglindebut didnt compile qt yet01:03
woglindeonly with openembdded01:03
coldbootlcuk: It might have been 4.01:03
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derfA 3x slowdown for emulation is pretty damn good.01:03
lcukcoldboot, im still sensing wtfiness lol01:03
lcukbut derf is right01:04
coldbootlcuk: How long should it be?01:04
coldbootIt shouldn't be emulating, though, it should be cross compiling.01:04
lcuk4 hours seems frightening, entering gentoo territory isnt it01:05
derfI could almost compile Open Office in that time.01:05
lcukand i thought i had a bloated codebase lol :D01:07
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asasakiopenssh install seems to be missing from maemo.org01:12
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asasakihttps://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2118/openssh-client_and_server.install01:12
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GeneralAntillesasasaki, it's in Extras.02:18
asasakithanks02:18
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Macerare there any02:58
Macergood nokia phones that work with tmob3G ?02:58
Macer:)02:58
Macerlike.. not this low end garbage they offer?02:58
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Macer# Quad-band EGSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, WCDMA 850/1900 MHz, HSDPA03:01
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Macerblah03:01
Macergoddamn tmob with their 170003:01
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tomdavidsonhello, i would like to use "load applet" to activate swap space on my ext sd, but am having troubles figuring it out. anyone know? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/08:46
tomdavidsonswap space as in a partition and not a swapfile08:49
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qwerty12_N810It09:00
qwerty12_N810's hardcoded to only find /media/mmc2/.swap in /proc/swaps09:01
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tomdavidsonthat applet (and the load-applet-run for OS2006) are suppose to mnt a swap partition as defined in the fstab ... swapon -a ? this way i can deactivate pop the card and than reactivate on the new card with out opening the console09:05
tomdavidsonhttp://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howto-createswap/09:05
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tomdavidsongrrrr how do i tell which mmcblk1p* is which?09:16
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Stskeepswb qwerty12_N81011:41
qwerty12_N810Thank you11:42
JaffaMorning, all11:45
Stskeepsmorning jaffa11:45
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lcukmornin jaffa/sts/qwerty11:49
qwerty12_N810mornin'11:50
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lcuki cant use windows to do iphone development can i12:07
ShadowJKi think you need mac12:08
lcukthats a bit crap lol12:08
LinuxCodeisnt that what hackintosh is for ?12:08
lcukbut thats fake12:09
LinuxCodewell, if they want to be nazis, for you to be bale to dev12:09
LinuxCodeable*12:09
lcukand doesnt really show the right face12:09
LinuxCodelcuk, then dont bother12:09
lcukjust pondering a few things :)12:09
* LinuxCode is fixing his system12:10
VDVsxlcuk, vm with OSX inside windows12:10
VDVsxlike to do symbian dev in linux or mac :(12:10
lcukbut osx isnt licensable is it12:10
VDVsxlcuk, yes12:10
VDVsx150 €12:10
lcuko_O12:10
VDVsxhere12:10
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* LinuxCode too12:11
lcukVDVsx, even maemo dev expects a vm ;)12:11
qwerty12_N810I thought that Mac OS X was only licensed for Apple computers. Not that I really care, but...12:11
lcuk\o/  yesssss i have image thumbnailing working12:12
LinuxCodelcuk, you having on liqbase again ?12:12
LinuxCodehacing12:12
LinuxCodegod12:12
lcukjust left the import running for a bit and it worked12:12
VDVsxlcuk, in windows and mac yes, so we are in the same foot ;)12:12
LinuxCodethis stupid laptop battery12:12
LinuxCodeI have to send it back12:12
LinuxCodehacking even12:12
lcuklaptop battery makes you do typos?12:13
VDVsxqwerty12_N810, I guess you are right12:13
LinuxCodeyes, I have both in12:13
LinuxCodeit affects the keyboard12:13
lcukelectric shocks?12:13
LinuxCodeif I remove the new one, its fine12:13
LinuxCodelcuk, possibly12:13
LinuxCodeIm sending it back12:13
lcukyeah, im hacking getting every single sketch and photo and screenshot in liqbase ever taken :)12:14
LinuxCodeanyway, time for a shower while yum finishes the upgrade, it was meant to finish before it crashed on me12:14
LinuxCodelcuk, ;-}12:14
LinuxCodebbiab12:14
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lcukmornin wazd \o12:38
wazdlcuk: heya12:38
lcukwazd, ive been playing with multitouch again, and pondering some things.  it appears as if the bottom right corner that i wanted to use has an issue12:40
lcukif i press in that corner with thumb and use finger elsewhere, i get innacurate readings12:41
lcuki tihnk its hardware - but it throws me out from wanting to use vertical position for changing list styling12:41
lcukso im pondering a horizontal wipe :)12:42
wazdlcuk: heh :)12:43
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udovdhhello12:59
udovdhgot a working ip-phone app for the n810?12:59
Myrttiudovdh: you mean sip/voip?13:03
udovdhindeed13:03
Myrttiudovdh: the one built in works fine, given you don't try to use it with ekiga.net account13:03
udovdhbuilt in? hmm. must look again13:04
udovdhthanks13:04
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lcukhey Myrtti hows tricks now13:31
lcukwhich country are you in13:31
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mavhcis there a pc sip client that'll give me decent errors so I can work out why the voip system I'm connecting to isn't letting it connect?14:07
AStormisn't letting, or isn't getting a connection?14:08
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AStormI suspect asterisk in client mode has proper error messages14:09
mavhcaccording to random things the cisco voip controller might do sip, there's a sip port open, but who knows14:16
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Myrttilcuk: Finland14:22
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lcukinteresting.16:58
lcukmultitouch list scaling works :)16:58
Firebird"multitouch"16:58
lcuk:)16:59
lcukwell the list works nicely when i use it with one hand, when i use CTRL type thumb modifier, it scales the list items16:59
lcuk(based on X position of second finger)16:59
lcukreleasing them makes it go back to being a normal list17:00
Firebirdtry sliding your finger quickly to trick it into multitouch detection17:00
lcukbut if i do it quickly it wont start and be sat in bottom corner not moving17:01
lcuk(which is the trigger for the starting point)17:01
lcuk"a fixed thumb"17:01
Firebirdah17:01
lcukbut anyway17:01
lcukthe multitouch tries to know that you have not broken the laws of physics17:02
Firebirdthe multitouch in liqbase is easily done with one finger17:02
lcukresolution dependent :)17:02
Firebirdheh17:02
lcukanyway :) works now and i can tweak, capability is there for me to expand on properly17:03
Firebirdnice17:03
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: happen to know how to switch boot state in DSME? i mean, it should be possible since we can switch to non-charger-mode by holding down power at charging screen17:15
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: Dunno. I use my writable bootreason patch and echo pwr_key to bootreason to make dsme think the tablet has been started with the power key17:16
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: yeah.. i'm pondering if we should include that in mer kernel17:17
Stskeepsyou have the patch anywhere?17:18
qwerty12_N810Should be on qwerty12.qole.org but it seems to be down ATM17:19
Stskeepsk17:19
mace0bujaka!17:20
mace0i know everyone is using VNC like mad for all their remote use needs, but i wonder if anyone here has been using X11 to the same effect?17:20
mace0i should set up a proper network between asus eee and NIT, both running linux, with enough X11 and other real unix things between the machines17:23
mace0ssh is a start, then comes X11 and filesharing with NFS, samba or whatever works best over wireless, perhaps flaky connections17:24
suihkulokkimace0: X11 remote apps should work just fine on NITs17:25
suihkulokkimace0: the trouble is that if the X11 connection breaks (due to flaky wireless or whatever) the remote X11 app gets *killed*17:26
mace0suihkulokki: aha, and VNC is immunune to that?17:27
mace0suihkulokki: hieno nikki muuten :)17:27
suihkulokkijoo, vnc on immuuni sille :)17:27
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mace0hmm, what does vnc do if the connection drops?17:32
* mace0 is thinking17:33
mace0nevermind17:33
mace0i wanna try x11 anyway... i'll regret later17:33
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mace0nfs over wireless sounds like asking for trouble ;)17:34
mace0one more thing: on N800, does the virtual keyboard work with x11?17:35
mace0i remember i had trouble with that earlier (maybe a year ago), but i don't know if that has been cured since17:35
mace0i've been quite frustrated with NIT all in all and got myself a netbook instead17:36
mace0now i think n800 could be a nice companion for it. n800 alone doesn't suffice17:36
* mace0 likes to type a lot, if you didn't notice :)17:36
suihkulokkiremote X11 apps and NIT VKB don't probably work well17:38
mace0bugger17:38
suihkulokkithe vnc client app comes with a built-in vkb if I remember correclty17:38
mace0yeah that what i reckoned too17:38
mace0i typically run a headless emacs under screen, and connect to it with emacsclient(1) and spawn a window over X11. that environment would be ok if the x11 window (and emacsclient) die17:40
mace0shit, i don't want to invest to an n810 (or n900) before i get some value out of my n800, so better try vnc17:47
mace0tcp/ip and x11 over bluetooth anyone?17:48
mace0that's just wrong. but back in the day (with Athena Widgets, not GNOME and KDE), ppl used to run x11 over modems17:49
suihkulokkimace0: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN17:49
mace0suihkulokki: lovely17:50
suihkulokkibt is much slower than wlan (duh), but otoh it will give you much better battery life17:51
mace0yeah, that's what i have in mind17:53
mace0i need to see if my ubuntu netbook can talk tcp/ip over bluetooth both towards the n800 in a private network and to the internet over my phone17:54
mace0i might need to set up some virtual network devices and use a private address-space (192.168.*) between n800 and ubuntu17:55
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mace0i'm sure this will break my ubuntu netbooks gnome applets that handle the internet connection17:56
mace0*sigh*17:56
mace0i cannot be bothered to get all geeky, but would like to find some use for my n80017:57
mace0it's useless with netvibes.com (too heavy site) and n800 as a mere wlan-photoframe is pointless17:58
mace0otoh, n810 costs 22020ac new, less second hand18:01
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mace0i'm outta here18:06
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GAN800Who has experience with Windows to Wine migration that I can bug?18:17
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lcukwazd, i was mucking about with one of those monitors today19:23
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wazdlcuk: I'm trying to find a place to see HP live in here19:24
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lcukyeah, comet in the uk have them19:24
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lcuknice, but i was a bit disturbed about the stand, it didnt seem big enough19:25
wazdlcuk: there are some good VESA stands, that will allow you to place the display in any position you want :)19:26
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lcukyeah i think if i get a new one ill get a big clamping one19:26
orangeyhello all19:26
lcukso i can move it to the wall19:26
orangeycould I take some opinions on what kind of smart phone to buy?19:26
lcukhi orangey \o19:26
orangeyiphone vs. android vs. pre vs. windows mobile seem to be the major options19:27
orangeyI'm a linux user, and obviously more free = better19:27
orangeythough I recognize of those four options, there's no truly free one19:27
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lcukif those are the options, what are you doing in a maemo chan?19:27
orangeylcuk: People here share the same values I do19:27
orangeyand probably have had the same conundrum19:28
lcuki dont, i think the options you have supplied are not optimal19:28
orangeylcuk: what do you suggest?19:28
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lcukmaemo and mer are viable free open options :)19:29
lcukput whatever you want on them19:29
lcukwrite your own19:29
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orangeylcuk: Which smartphones run maemo or mer?19:34
orangeyrather, which announced smartphones?19:34
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lcukopenmoko runs mer19:34
lcukdunno how well19:35
lcukyou are right tho, i missed your first comment, continue with the 4 flavors you had lol19:35
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orangeylcuk: I've been in here and at #mer asking for the past 6 mo if I should switch to Mer on my N810. Consistently, everybody tells me that it's not yet ready for prime time.. and my needs are minimal - good SIP and some kind of calendaring19:41
lcuki understand entirely19:41
lcuki also had a need for calendaring19:41
lcukso i put my own take on it19:42
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orangeyyour own take?19:45
orangeyp.s., have you tried seqretary?19:45
orangeyamazing19:45
orangeyall it's missing is sync, and it'll be the best by far19:45
lcukcalendar shown in here19:46
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt7qB37sLLo19:46
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lcukand as for syncing, i hope to have everything running smoothly v v v soon: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png19:47
orangeylcuk you made seqretary?19:52
wazdI wonder if there's any smart person to copy Palm's calendar app :)19:53
lcukno orangey19:53
lcukwazd, which bits in particular19:53
zakkmlcuk still using that youtube page eh?19:53
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lcukzakkm, just in relation to the calendar19:54
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zakkmcould never get that working for me19:54
zakkmit wouldnt save the note19:54
wazdlcuk: every single bit :)19:54
orangeylcuk: what is that?19:54
orangeyis that Mer?19:54
orangeyor fremantle?19:54
lcukthen why copy it19:55
lcukcant you get a palm emulator? (i thought you could)19:55
wazdlcuk: If you can't make better - vopy it :)19:55
orangeyfor maemo?19:55
lcukorangey, thats liqbase on diablo :)19:55
orangeythe palm emulator (garnet vm) is terrible19:55
lcukor chinook19:55
lcukor fremantle19:55
lcukor ubuntu19:55
orangeynever heard of it.. time to try it out : )19:55
lcukheh work in progress for now so very rusty - the original liqbase is nice and stable tho19:56
orangeyis it in the regular reps, or garage?19:56
lcukand what i started all the notes in19:56
lcuki know you hate work in progresses lol19:56
lcukbut everything has to start somewhere19:56
orangeyheh.19:57
orangeyI don't hate them. it's just that I have to recognize their place.19:57
orangeyat this moment in my life, stability is more important than adventure19:57
orangeymy n810 is my primary phone19:57
lcukyeah, i wont physically "release" liqbase until its ready19:57
lcukits out there and in extras-devel, because thats what stage its upto19:58
orangeyawesome19:58
zakkmhow is it your primary phone?19:58
orangeyzakkm: SIP19:58
zakkmin and out?19:58
orangeyI pay $5.95 for unlimited incoming19:58
orangeycallcentric.com19:58
zakkmmy dad has free SIP19:58
zakkmhe runs a SIP business lol19:59
orangeyheh ; )19:59
orangeywhich one?19:59
zakkmlocal19:59
orangeywell, I'd love to dump my sip provider19:59
zakkmhe did it for fun, didnt really uhh how you say get popular lol19:59
orangeyit's always about picking compromises.19:59
lcuk:) compromise is what created liqbase itself19:59
orangeygizmo5 works always, but has almost radio quality with half-duplex19:59
zakkmwhy not full-duplex?20:00
orangeycallcentric has excellent quality, but doesn't work half the time20:00
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orangeyzakkm: no idea20:00
orangeyzakkm: but its quality is truly terrible20:00
zakkmmy dad uses gizmo to call, also uhh some other app works20:00
zakkmits this weird one.. it has a picture of a phone on it.. you dial and then it owrks20:00
zakkmhas linux support too so that was cool20:00
zakkmpure binary, like liqbase :P20:00
lcukwazd, regarding manually cloning palm calendaring - find me a decent overview and mae sure the PIM page on wiki is updated if it doesnt contain enough already20:01
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lcukliqbase is all source20:01
zakkmorangey: people really pay 5.95 for unlimited incoming ?20:01
orangeyI do20:01
zakkmhah i didnt mean it like that20:01
zakkmwondering if i should try expanding it sort of thing20:01
orangeywhat did your father charge?20:01
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zakkmit was free20:02
zakkmit was very basic20:02
lcukhttps://wiki.maemo.org/Task:PIM20:02
zakkmtried putting ads on the site and all itself20:02
wazdlcuk: sorry but I really have no time for this :)20:02
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zakkm    *  for instance, most todo items for me simply need a description, once they are on the list I know they need doing20:02
zakkm--lcuk 22:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)20:02
zakkmXD20:02
lcukindeed20:03
woglindehm did I already said that pbuilder rockz?20:04
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zakkmpbuilder?20:04
woglindeyeah for debian and ubuntu20:05
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zakkmwhat does it do?20:05
woglindesb2 uses some stuff similiar20:05
zakkmahh package builder20:05
woglindeprovides you a clean compile chroot20:05
woglindewithout pollution of your hostsystem20:05
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woglindemaemo online builder use it too I think20:06
lcukzakkm, ive got that days notes up on screen now, as well as adding to the wiki i also made a load of things about evolution :P20:08
lcukincluding one that says "multitple distinct views of the data tree"   which is exactly what i am working on today! :D20:08
zakkmlol if only i knew what that means :D20:09
zakkmnice though20:09
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lcukit means using multitouch to allow switching between different list views dynamically :P20:10
zakkmwe dont have multitouch?20:10
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJWvvn_cePM ?20:11
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zakkmyeah i used to mess with that, it didnt actually work well ;p20:11
lcukthats why its not a normal thing20:11
zakkmit was two touch20:11
zakkmnot more20:11
lcukbut it works nicely for a CTRL key in the corner20:11
lcukwhere the user is expected to keep it still ;)20:12
coldboot|homeWhy is the coreutils package missing md5sum?20:15
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woglindecoldboot dont know, but I know the pitfalls20:21
woglindewith sb220:21
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* lcuk rolleyes at children21:13
lcukjake just dropped a big heavy diecast metal ambulance on his foot21:13
zakkmeek21:13
zakkmhow old is jake?21:13
xciinjured by an ambulance21:16
xci:/21:16
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LinuxCodelol gotta laugh...kids21:21
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lcukzakkm, 721:23
lcukand yeah xci it didnt seem to make him cry any less when i told him there was an ambulance on scene21:24
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xcilcuk: :)21:36
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Macerblah22:59
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wazdjeez, Rambo IV is one of the coolest movies I've ever seen :)23:12
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lcukwazd, doesn't that simply mean you haven't seen very many movies23:25
wazdlcuk: nope, that means that Silver knows how to make good'ol bad-ass action movie :)23:26
lcukbut surely there has to be something better than r423:27
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ProteousPredator FTW23:34
Macerheh23:34
Macerhave to love named when it works correctly23:34
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Maceranybody here good with mysql?23:39
Macer  mysql> grant all privileges on wordpress.* to wp@localhost identified by 'wp';23:39
Macerthe "identified by 'wp';23:39
Macerisn't the 'wp' the password?23:39
woglindeieehks23:40
lbtafaik yes23:40
woglindeI am at rails with typo no mysql and no php23:40
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lbtanyone any good with bootmenu failures?23:41
lbtjakemaheu has installed it and a reboot goes to nokia screen and shutdown23:41
lbthmm23:41
lbthows the battery jakemaheu23:41
jakemaheui think around 70%23:41
jakemaheui can try plugging in the charger23:41
lbtyes23:42
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jakemaheuplugged in the carger23:42
jakemaheunokia logo is on23:42
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jakemaheugive it a sec23:43
jakemaheuit's just sitting on the blue nokia logo23:43
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jakemaheuwait, it just restarted23:43
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jakemaheuthe screen flickered and it's still on the nokia screen23:44
jakemaheuit did it again23:44
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jakemaheui doubt it's charging23:44
lbthold down the various home, back, menu keys as it boots23:45
lbtor restarts23:45
jakemaheuit's trying to do the boot sequence where it goes to the "battery charging" screen23:45
jakemaheubut can't load initfs it appears23:45
lbtqwerty12_N810: you about?23:46
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lbthmm you can use the linux flasher to only reflash initfs23:51
jakemaheui know23:53
jakemaheui have a copy of the diablo initfs too23:53
jakemaheui'll try reflashing that for now and retry the install23:54
jakemaheubrb23:54
lbtit's been months since I did this and it was seamless :(23:54
* jakemaheu hasn't even touched linux for months23:56
* jakemaheu feels stupid23:56
woglinde*g*23:56
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