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| lbt | wazd: ping | 00:31 |
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| wazd | lbt: pong :) | 00:31 |
| lbt | hey... | 00:31 |
| lbt | did you find the icons for Sts' presentation? | 00:32 |
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| * RST38h yawns widely | 00:33 | |
| wazd | lbt: for what presentation? | 00:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: got the monitor? =) | 00:33 |
| lbt | CPH ... | 00:33 |
| lbt | a few weeks ago | 00:34 |
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| wazd | RST38h: not yet, i have to finish website to get money/monitor :) | 00:34 |
| wazd | RST38h: http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2009/07/23/3226152.shtml | 00:34 |
| lbt | his site is down so I can't link | 00:34 |
| RST38h | wazd: "Whatever these guys try to build, they end up with a concentration camp" =) | 00:34 |
| wazd | lbt: they are from one of free icon sets I guess | 00:35 |
| wazd | lbt: oxygen or something | 00:35 |
| lbt | yes, I wondered if you knew which one and had a url | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | lbt, i have been cherry picking things from here: http://nuovext.pwsp.net/ | 00:36 |
| wazd | lbt: http://www.oxygen-icons.org/ | 00:37 |
| lcuk | wazd, when i tried looking for oxygen i couldnt find a proper download for them | 00:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Tried Wiki already? | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | wazd, on that page, where are the icons | 00:38 |
| lcuk | and rst, which wiki... | 00:38 |
| wazd | lcuk: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Icons?content=74184 | 00:38 |
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| wazd | lcuk: 1st google result on "oxygen icons download@ :D | 00:39 |
| lbt | this is great -ta | 00:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Icons | 00:39 |
| RST38h | Sorry | 00:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Icons | 00:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: THE Wiki :) | 00:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, I had a funny situation with "brand loyality" yesterday :) | 00:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: Mistook LG for an HP? ;) | 00:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: me and my friend were talking bout netbooks, and he was trying to prove me that MSI Wind is the best netbook out there, solid, well-made and so on | 00:41 |
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| wazd | RST38h: also dirty cheap | 00:41 |
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| wazd | RST38h: And when he brought it out of it's bag - suddenly something fell off the screen hinge :) | 00:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: without any reason :) | 00:43 |
| lcuk | ballast | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | all good designs include extra ballast | 00:44 |
| lcuk | its like shipping devices with "spare screws" | 00:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: Weird, it does look sturdy enough to me | 00:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, I was surprised too :) | 00:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: Although I would not buy ASUS or MSI or any other .TW noname | 00:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: Too painful experience with ASUS | 00:45 |
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| lbt | why in 2009 is it easier to open a terminal and type wget than to drag'n'drop a bloody graphic from firefox to Open office | 00:50 |
| lbt | stupid linux | 00:50 |
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| derf | Hah, I do that all the time. | 00:51 |
| derf | Open a terminal and type wget, I mean. | 00:51 |
| derf | I figured I was just old. | 00:51 |
| lbt | no, linux just sucks | 00:52 |
| derf | Really, it's the thought have having to use that horrendous file dialog. | 00:52 |
| derf | s/have/of | 00:52 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...My battery now completely discharges in three days | 00:52 |
| lbt | I just want to drag an icon from one app to another... no dialogue needed .... <sigh> | 00:52 |
| RST38h | Nothing special is running, OMWeather set to 2hr update period, Modest set to 1hr update period | 00:52 |
| lbt | RST38h: Mine lasts 2 if I'm lucky | 00:53 |
| RST38h | lbt: Weird... | 00:53 |
| derf | lbt: I never get the inclination to drag anything, really. | 00:53 |
| lbt | I upset the battery gods | 00:53 |
| derf | The less I touch the mouse, the better. | 00:53 |
| RST38h | I did notice 5-6 copies of browserd hanging around for no good reason | 00:53 |
| RST38h | + 2 more legitimate copies | 00:53 |
| lbt | derf: I'm browsing icons for a presentation... | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | openoffice only very recently managed to get copy/paste working... between itself. Between one openoffice spreadsheet to the exact same spreadsheet in the same program. I imagine it'll take awhile before it works across two openoffice programs, let alone firefox :-) | 00:53 |
| RST38h | Not worth complaining to Maemo people of course, but still | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | (atleast this is my experience with it) | 00:54 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: FireFox has got some copy/paste problems on its own on Unix | 00:54 |
| derf | Just getting something out of the URL bar used to be a major challenge. | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes it puts things in the one clipboard and other times it puts things in the other clipboard.. and then you don't know which clipboard the app you're trying to paste into takes stuff from :) | 00:55 |
| lbt | sounds like emacs | 00:55 |
| wazd | http://mytechnews.info/b/2009/07/screenshots-from-the-garmin-asus-nuvifone-g60-part-1.html | 00:55 |
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| wazd | why didn't they make pixel-art icons :( | 00:56 |
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| Khertan_2 | wazd: it s a palm os ? | 00:57 |
| Khertan_2 | :) | 00:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: Those are Garmin icons. Blame Garmin | 00:57 |
| Khertan_2 | why didn't they make pixel-art icons :( < if you are good enough to do icon ... maybe you can help me ? | 00:57 |
| Khertan_2 | to reskin mOrganize :) | 00:58 |
| wazd | Khertan_2: well, I can try at least :) | 00:58 |
| Khertan_2 | oh http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ <-- this is your blog ? | 00:59 |
| Khertan_2 | so you ll be successfully do it :) | 00:59 |
| wazd | Khertan_2: yep, that's mine | 01:00 |
| Khertan_2 | you do nice ui ... | 01:00 |
| Khertan_2 | i ll send you a alpha version of mOrganize, so you ll be able to look at what i try to achieve | 01:01 |
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| Khertan_2 | at the moment it s working ... | 01:01 |
| Khertan_2 | it s horrible | 01:01 |
| Khertan_2 | but it s working :) | 01:01 |
| Khertan_2 | but it s require some things to be finished :) | 01:02 |
| Khertan_2 | like the backgroud sync launch and the prefs | 01:02 |
| Khertan_2 | http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/MOrganize | 01:02 |
| Khertan_2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8Eh9OWfig <<< and the first try :) | 01:03 |
| RST38h | <sleep> | 01:03 |
| Khertan_2 | so it ll be time to go to sleep for me too | 01:04 |
| Khertan_2 | :) | 01:04 |
| Khertan_2 | bye ... see you later | 01:05 |
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| Khertan_2 | wazd: if you want to contact me : khertan@khertan.net | 01:06 |
| Khertan_2 | wazd: and if you are interested | 01:06 |
| wazd | Khertan_2: I'll see what i can do :) | 01:06 |
| Khertan_2 | wazd: thanks | 01:06 |
| Khertan_2 | the icons are horrible :) | 01:06 |
| wazd | Khertan_2: oh, htey are not that bad :) | 01:07 |
| Khertan_2 | individually there are nice | 01:07 |
| Khertan_2 | but ... this isn't the same style | 01:07 |
| Khertan_2 | and doesn't really well choosen for the feature ... | 01:07 |
| Khertan_2 | the 2, 3, 4 and 5th icons are for creating new entries | 01:08 |
| Khertan_2 | 2: an event | 01:08 |
| Khertan_2 | 3: a todo | 01:08 |
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| Khertan_2 | 4: a text note | 01:08 |
| Khertan_2 | 5 : a draw note | 01:08 |
| Khertan_2 | :) | 01:08 |
| Khertan_2 | so ... i really need to go to sleep | 01:08 |
| Khertan_2 | see you later ... | 01:09 |
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| wazd | Khertan_2: see ya | 01:12 |
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| Stskeeps | moo | 04:10 |
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| lcuk | you at debconf? | 04:11 |
| Stskeeps | hotel in caceres | 04:12 |
| Stskeeps | not at the venue residence | 04:13 |
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| Stskeeps | met up with zenvoid and we travelled here | 04:14 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps cool tho, you there all week then | 04:14 |
| Stskeeps | leaving 31st in the morningg | 04:14 |
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| lcuk | cool, drink lots of beers and come away with a wicked simple deb based plan :D | 04:15 |
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| Stskeeps | i'll prolly be on cold drinks but alcohol+heat won't be good | 04:16 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps yeah, sunshine turns us to dust | 04:18 |
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| vasily_pupkin | Good time of day | 08:47 |
| vasily_pupkin | anybody have NAT working on n810? | 08:47 |
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| slonopotamus_ | what do you mean by 'nat on n810'? | 08:48 |
| slonopotamus_ | you're making router of it? | 08:49 |
| vasily_pupkin | connection tracking support in kernel | 08:49 |
| vasily_pupkin | for ettercap fun by real :) | 08:49 |
| slonopotamus_ | 'Ettercap is a suite for man in the middle attacks on LAN.' | 08:50 |
| slonopotamus_ | you attached ethernet card to your n810? | 08:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | i have wifi card on my n810 (!!11) | 08:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | :( | 08:51 |
| vasily_pupkin | :] | 08:51 |
| slonopotamus_ | so basically what you want is sniffing? | 08:52 |
| vasily_pupkin | i want perform own modifications of struct sk_buff in future | 08:52 |
| slonopotamus_ | :/ that doesn't tell me anything | 08:53 |
| vasily_pupkin | problems with NAT simply that i meet just now | 08:53 |
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| chx | oh | 09:14 |
| chx | that's actually a good question | 09:14 |
| chx | can you share a Net connection with the N810? | 09:14 |
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| slonopotamus | ... | 09:15 |
| slonopotamus | chx, you want to turn it into router too? | 09:15 |
| chx | yes. never thought of it before but it's a great idea! | 09:16 |
| chx | why not? it runs a standard Linux kernel, I bet it runs iptables too | 09:16 |
| vasily_pupkin | bheh | 09:16 |
| vasily_pupkin | standard.. | 09:16 |
| vasily_pupkin | a piece of shit! | 09:17 |
| chx | ? | 09:17 |
| vasily_pupkin | fucked umac blobs make it realy unusable | 09:17 |
| RST38h | it is pretty usable for me | 09:19 |
| RST38h | maybe not as a router, but I have got dlink for that | 09:19 |
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| danielwilms | ping Jaffa | 09:43 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:03 |
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| Lantizia | Hey last I heard the newest handset was the N810WiMax... anything new on the horizon? | 11:14 |
| Lantizia | Google came up trumps for me | 11:14 |
| * LinuxCode are all waiting patiently for Nokia to get a move on | 11:14 | |
| Lantizia | a move on to what? | 11:15 |
| LinuxCode | a device like the N810 with rumoured faster chip, more memory and most importantly 3g/umts | 11:15 |
| Lantizia | ew, nastly - I didn't think Nokia were going to bother making the Nxxx range phones. | 11:16 |
| LinuxCode | why is that nasty ? | 11:16 |
| LinuxCode | it would be the natural progression | 11:16 |
| woglinde | its modem only | 11:16 |
| LinuxCode | woglinde, ? | 11:16 |
| Lantizia | Because I want a PDA, not a PDA phone... I have a nokia phone already | 11:16 |
| LinuxCode | you serious ? | 11:16 |
| woglinde | 3g/utms | 11:16 |
| Lantizia | I just want WiMax so I'm ready | 11:16 |
| myrtti | it's not a phone | 11:17 |
| woglinde | no natural voice function | 11:17 |
| LinuxCode | woglinde, if thats true, I aint buying one | 11:17 |
| myrtti | it's got 3G for modem/data connection | 11:17 |
| woglinde | linuxcode it is | 11:17 |
| Lantizia | myrtti, yeah like they all did? | 11:17 |
| LinuxCode | got a press release ? | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 11:17 |
| LinuxCode | morning mate | 11:17 |
| woglinde | hi stskeep | 11:17 |
| woglinde | I think stskeep has seen a prototype | 11:17 |
| LinuxCode | whats the point, to have a 3g modem, when I have to carry my phone around anyway | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde: devel unit | 11:18 |
| Lantizia | I quite like the idea of not encumbering the device with older 2G/3G technologies | 11:18 |
| LinuxCode | and the wireless signal for 3g will eat up more battery | 11:18 |
| myrtti | Lantizia: none of the previous ones have had modems in them | 11:18 |
| Lantizia | WiFi/Bluetooth/4G is fine | 11:18 |
| woglinde | stskeep okay | 11:18 |
| Lantizia | myrtti, thought they could connect to nokia phones over bluetooth tho to get 3g? | 11:18 |
| LinuxCode | Lantizia, whats 4g about wimax please ? | 11:19 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 11:19 |
| Lantizia | LinuxCode, I don't make the phrasing | 11:19 |
| LinuxCode | nobody has wimax widely available | 11:19 |
| woglinde | Lantizia yes you can do it | 11:19 |
| myrtti | Lantizia: connect *TO* a phone (be it Nokia or not) with bluetooth, but they didn't have the modem inbuilt | 11:19 |
| Lantizia | myrtti, whats the difference? | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | woglinde: Why do you say it's modem only? | 11:20 |
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| Lantizia | are we talking about a N810 + faster chipset + SIM card reader? | 11:20 |
| Jaffa | LinuxCode: all signs point to it having some voice capability | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | Jaffa, I bloody hope so mate | 11:20 |
| * Stskeeps waves from DebCnf | 11:20 | |
| LinuxCode | I will be pretty upset if not | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | + | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | o | 11:20 |
| LinuxCode | and spend my money on another product | 11:20 |
| myrtti | bleepbleep | 11:20 |
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| woglinde | Lantizia and powervr graphics | 11:21 |
| myrtti | I need more moisturiser | 11:21 |
| pupnik | hmm. i got the reboot loop. after running kismet for 18 hours | 11:21 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: With accelerometers, 32GB of onboard storage, 3D acceleration h/w, Clutter-based UI, ... | 11:21 |
| Lantizia | OK can someone clarify here... | 11:21 |
| Jaffa | ~rx-51 | 11:21 |
| Lantizia | <myrtti> it's got 3G for modem/data connection | 11:21 |
| infobot | i heard rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html | 11:21 |
| pupnik | i also moved /usr/share to /media/mmc1 and symlinked it, which used to work fine iirc | 11:21 |
| Lantizia | what on earth does that mean | 11:21 |
| Lantizia | that it IS a phone or not? | 11:21 |
| woglinde | its not a phone | 11:21 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: The only thing Nokia have *announced* is that it'll have HSPA data | 11:21 |
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| myrtti | Lantizia: the modem for data is a known fact, phone (speech) abilities are matter of speculation | 11:22 |
| LinuxCode | hsdpa ? | 11:22 |
| Jaffa | However, there are lots of references to GSM calls, text messages, etc. are in the SDK - so it's guesswork | 11:22 |
| Jaffa | LinuxCode: High Speed Packet Access. | 11:22 |
| Lantizia | LinuxCode, brit? | 11:22 |
| Jaffa | LinuxCode: The stuff which gives you 7.2Mbps on the go | 11:22 |
| LinuxCode | Lantizia, yes why ? | 11:22 |
| Lantizia | LinuxCode, you know of HSDPA :D | 11:23 |
| Lantizia | see I don't mind the idea of a N810 WiMax with my E51 that has HSDPA... but you can't get the WiMax model in the UK | 11:24 |
| Lantizia | so I'm waiting for the next WiMax offering | 11:24 |
| Lantizia | Freedom4 are launching new WiMax areas by the end of the year in britain in about 20 different cities | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: I doubt it'll have WiMAX | 11:24 |
| Lantizia | how come? | 11:25 |
| LinuxCode | id still rather have a technology i can use everywhere | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: Cos Nokia got burned with the N810WE | 11:25 |
| Lantizia | how? | 11:25 |
| Lantizia | I'm not an american so I don't know whats going on over there | 11:26 |
| derf | Everyone is sleeping here because it's night-time. | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | derf: 12:33am here | 11:31 |
| lbt | morning all | 11:31 |
| RST38h | what sleep time? | 11:31 |
| derf | Well, it's 4:33 AM here, and as you can see, I'm not asleep either. | 11:33 |
| RST38h | derf: I think we have figured out already that you are unamerican :) | 11:33 |
| derf | Oh yeah, good point. | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | neat, 'Differentiation' mentioned in a HP talk | 11:39 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Does it mean 'Android'? | 11:40 |
| pupnik | I hope next nokia tablet gets some retail presence ... finally | 11:40 |
| StsN810 | rst, not sure.. watching a talk on HP and Debian | 11:40 |
| StsN810 | 'add value that customers will pay for' | 11:41 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Linux? Steve Ballmer will kill HP CEO with a chair. | 11:48 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Won't be a tablet, will be a phone | 11:48 |
| RST38h | Whether Nokia decides to hype it the same way it did with N95 and 5800 is a good question though... | 11:49 |
| woglinde | stsn810 hp and debian is nothing new | 11:49 |
| StsN810 | rst, servers | 11:50 |
| woglinde | rst????? | 11:50 |
| RST38h | woglinde: ? | 11:50 |
| woglinde | hp always had some organizational unit which cares about linux | 11:50 |
| woglinde | bruce perence was/is hp emplyoee | 11:51 |
| RST38h | That is a good indication of them being not serious | 11:51 |
| woglinde | *g* | 11:51 |
| woglinde | or is you problem general with HP? | 11:52 |
| RST38h | Not really | 11:54 |
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| RST38h | I just think that as soon as they indicate even a slight desire to move away from Windows, even with one leg only, they are up to an unpleasant talk with MS | 11:54 |
| suihkulokki | HP makes lots of cash with linux servers, so they do care a lot that linux works well on them | 11:54 |
| suihkulokki | they also bet for linux on itanic | 11:55 |
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| * rkirti recalls HP putting quite some fight to optimize unix and get HP-ux , wonders if they have similar plans for linux | 11:55 | |
| suihkulokki | and, their provide linux drivers for _all_ of their printers via hplip project | 11:56 |
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| suihkulokki | which makes buying a linux-compatible printer a easy task :) | 11:56 |
| * RST38h remembers HPUX all right, used to be spelled as HPukes | 11:57 | |
| woglinde | rst hp even has openvms | 11:57 |
| RST38h | Anyways, it worked on their own workstation hardware, so it is kinda beyond the point | 11:57 |
| woglinde | suihkulokki in the last year hp made scanning and faxing working | 11:58 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: HP has Compaq and Compaq has DEC and DEC has OpenVMS :) | 11:58 |
| woglinde | rst right | 11:58 |
| suihkulokki | woglinde: what is amusing, is that the installing/using hplip experience is sooo much smoother than their windows driver experience | 12:00 |
| StsN810 | windows printer drivers are nightmares often | 12:00 |
| woglinde | suihkulokki depends | 12:00 |
| StsN810 | especially color/ink printers | 12:00 |
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| woglinde | suihkulokki problem was hp has to many different installers | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Sts: Not if they are done properly | 12:01 |
| woglinde | had | 12:01 |
| woglinde | laser printers worked mostly niced | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Sts: But of course, every manufacturer is trying to give you a "solution" now, not just a driver | 12:01 |
| woglinde | and the other problem was the usless stuff which the normal cds goes to install | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Sts: 50+MB of some buggy Windows apps written by godknows whom | 12:01 |
| woglinde | if you choosed only driver it only last 5 minutes then half hour | 12:02 |
| pupnik | really the RX-51 needs to deliver to consumers who don't give a damn about linux | 12:03 |
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| pupnik | imo. it has to deliver the internet-connectivity usefulness. media playback, browsing, voice/video chat, email needs to be good. | 12:04 |
| LinuxCode | pupnik, and the apps they can get on top, must be free and good too | 12:06 |
| LinuxCode | lets face it, the apps in maemo leave a lot to be desired | 12:06 |
| pupnik | mhm | 12:06 |
| LinuxCode | in terms of choice | 12:06 |
| pupnik | like for e.g. replacing the sketch app with a really kickass sketch app | 12:06 |
| pupnik | think mypaint could do it? | 12:07 |
| LinuxCode | or having a shopping cart app that doesnt crash | 12:07 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 12:07 |
| LinuxCode | simple things, make people like their device more | 12:07 |
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| Lantizia | Jaffa said that Nokia got burned with the N810 Wimax... what did he mean by that? anyone know? | 12:08 |
| LinuxCode | the app have seen as the most maintained thing on maemo os OMwaeather | 12:08 |
| LinuxCode | Lantizia, means, probably not mnay people bought it as there isnt wimax everywhere | 12:08 |
| Lantizia | -yet- | 12:08 |
| LinuxCode | Lantizia, if you really believe that wimax will be in the UK in 5 years time, available everywhere, you are wrong sir | 12:09 |
| LinuxCode | we will see 4g before we see wimax | 12:09 |
| Lantizia | no I think it'll be here sooner | 12:09 |
| pupnik | perhaps wimax needs more coverage to sell more devices - chicken/egg problem | 12:09 |
| Lantizia | WiMax is 4G | 12:09 |
| woglinde | bye till later | 12:09 |
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| LinuxCode | pupnik, exactly | 12:09 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: Their main partner for it (in the US), Sprint didn't push it. It wasn't ready for consumers. Sprint dithered. | 12:09 |
| LinuxCode | Lantizia, there are many other technologies which allow backwards compatibility with 3g/2g | 12:09 |
| LinuxCode | and the EUropean mobile operators will favour those | 12:10 |
| Lantizia | don't care about 2g/3g... stupid technologies that arn't IP based and need a silly SIM card | 12:10 |
| Lantizia | WiMax is all I care about | 12:10 |
| LinuxCode | Lantizia, fine, I send the 10 billion bill your way then | 12:10 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 12:10 |
| Lantizia | ok what other debian-based PDA's do people know about? (that arn't just hacks of other windows ones :P) | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: The TouchBook and the Pandora | 12:14 |
| Lantizia | k I think I found the touchbook (alwaysinnovating.com right?) any link for pandora... many things are called that | 12:15 |
| pupnik | openpandora.org | 12:15 |
| Lantizia | o_O | 12:15 |
| Lantizia | see I won't touch andriod because its so locked down | 12:15 |
| pupnik | <- #2421 | 12:15 |
| suihkulokki | WiMax is not 4g, it is wireless broadband (to compete with ADSL etc) | 12:15 |
| pupnik | i missed my chance for a dev unit too. | 12:16 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: TouchBook isn't shipping yet (AFAIK). Pandora's been a long tail of enthusiasts promising the undeliverable. | 12:16 |
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| Jaffa | s/tail/tale/ | 12:16 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Lantizia: TouchBook isn't shipping yet (AFAIK). Pandora's been a long tale of enthusiasts promising the undeliverable. | 12:16 |
| pupnik | 'promising the undeliverable'? | 12:18 |
| suihkulokki | Lantizia: wimax is also not "generic" - every wimax operator works on different frequencies, and thus wimax devices are locked for the specific operator | 12:18 |
| pupnik | the boards and cases are finalized. | 12:18 |
| pupnik | it has been a long wait though | 12:19 |
| Lantizia | Texas instrument processors bother me :S | 12:19 |
| pupnik | why Lantizia ? | 12:20 |
| Lantizia | why what? | 12:20 |
| Lantizia | oh! | 12:20 |
| Lantizia | sorry at work, getting very distracted hehe | 12:20 |
| pupnik | np | 12:20 |
| Lantizia | my first pda was the jornada 928... and the OMAP processor on that sucked balls | 12:21 |
| pupnik | i've heard some qualified criticism of the omap2420 dsp (something about memory not protected) | 12:21 |
| pupnik | well xscale at that time was much higher clocked | 12:21 |
| florian | pupnik: clocks don't count... compare a 600MHz Xscale to a 600MHz OMAP today... | 12:23 |
| Jaffa | pupnik: And they've made various promises which were unrealistic and so undeliverable. The current state was to be expected if they stuck at it; but their timescales were ridiculously (and stupidly) optimistic. | 12:23 |
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| Lantizia | fuck it I'm just gonna buy a N810 and use the HSDPA from the E51 | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | Lantizia: At some point this year, the HSPA-touting device is going to launch | 12:28 |
| Jaffa | (or Nokia are going to lose half the community) | 12:28 |
| Lantizia | well I rather like my E51 as a phone that looks like a phone being a phone | 12:28 |
| Lantizia | I was someone who wanted everything combined but now I like the idea of seperate | 12:28 |
| pupnik | carrying a tablet you love, carries the burden of not losing/dropping it. A cheap phone is less painful to lose/break. | 12:29 |
| Lantizia | exactly and when I'm on a night out I don't need a full PDA | 12:29 |
| pupnik | same here | 12:29 |
| florian | Lantizia: Same here :-) A useful internet device is too big to fit in a pcoket | 12:29 |
| Lantizia | although the E51 isn't exactly cheap either | 12:29 |
| RST38h | There are cell phone wristwatches and they are relatively cheap | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Made of metal too | 12:30 |
| Lantizia | RST38h, with HSDPA so you can use it as a bluetooth modem? :D | 12:30 |
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| RST38h | Dunno about 3G but it has got EGPRS | 12:31 |
| RST38h | Let us check | 12:32 |
| Lantizia | You Fail :P | 12:32 |
| RST38h | Me? No. We still do not have 3G here so who cares. | 12:32 |
| Lantizia | lol | 12:32 |
| Lantizia | for me a PDA is good for 3 things... music (got my mp3/ogg samsung stick so thats fine)... organisation (my e51 can do that)... and full blown internet use... which only a PDA can fulfil | 12:33 |
| RST38h | http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/4937062/Wrist_Watch_Phone_W600_GSM_Mobile_Phone.html | 12:33 |
| Lantizia | no net access quicker than 3mbps, stuff it :D | 12:33 |
| RST38h | No 3g | 12:33 |
| pupnik | sadasd | 12:35 |
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| pupnik | http://highlightcam.com/ interesting service for home surveillance | 12:39 |
| RST38h | Don't most cameras do this automatically? | 12:39 |
| pupnik | some do | 12:40 |
| pupnik | maybe you're right re: most | 12:40 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE :) | 15:46 |
| * GeneralAntilles pokes lcuk with a stick. | 15:47 | |
| lcuk | intercontinental stick! | 15:47 |
| lcuk | longstick is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong | 15:47 |
| lcuk | why arent you working gan | 15:47 |
| lcuk | "fecal spillage in teen angst. again." | 15:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Leaving in 3 minutes. | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | what are you reading at the mo then | 15:48 |
| lcuk | or have you stopped reading since you went back there | 15:49 |
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| woglinde | he lcuk | 15:49 |
| woglinde | hm holidays make irc silent | 15:49 |
| lcuk | irc is always silent | 15:49 |
| woglinde | hm | 15:49 |
| woglinde | in the older times ..... | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finishing up a number of series that were incomplete last time I was reading regularly. | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | John Scalzi's Last Colony right now. | 15:50 |
| woglinde | hm I am reading rcp book | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, scifi? | 15:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, planning a return to real literature once the summer ends. | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | But enjoying the space opera action shit for the time being. | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | niven tells good stories :) | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Time's up. | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | See yah. | 15:51 |
| lcuk | cya later gan | 15:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Niven irritates me for some reason. | 15:51 |
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| woglinde | bye gan | 15:54 |
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| woglinde | hi fiferboy | 15:54 |
| fiferboy | woglinde, hi | 15:55 |
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| fiferboy | Ah, bagel and muffin day | 15:55 |
| woglinde | we had pizza | 15:55 |
| woglinde | because of the rain | 15:55 |
| fiferboy | Nice! | 15:55 |
| woglinde | nobody wants to go outside | 15:55 |
| woglinde | but lastet 1 1/2 hour to wen here | 15:56 |
| woglinde | went | 15:56 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: cool | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | what the fcsk http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4443/1213946563923hd5.jpg | 16:50 |
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| JamieBennett | lcuk :) | 16:51 |
| lcuk | hiya jb, you know what it is then.. | 16:52 |
| JamieBennett | No idea what so ever | 16:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | That looks like some pedo teletubby | 16:52 |
| JamieBennett | Those crazy Japanese :) | 16:53 |
| woglinde | hm is lcuk eating bacon again? | 16:53 |
| lcuk | no bacon today | 16:53 |
| lcuk | perhaps thats it | 16:53 |
| lcuk | i actually know what it is, but as a work of art that picture defies belief | 16:54 |
| lcuk | infact, the movie its from isnt much better | 16:54 |
| woglinde | its unsharp | 16:54 |
| woglinde | so its amateruisch | 16:54 |
| woglinde | hm I need some water | 16:55 |
| lcuk | its a still from a movie - that explains the sharpnes | 16:55 |
| lcuk | s | 16:55 |
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| * aquatix actually saw parts of that movie a while ago | 16:55 | |
| aquatix | weird stuff :) | 16:55 |
| lcuk | aquatix, thats the problem im having | 16:55 |
| lcuk | since i cannot unsee parts of that movie, it helps to inflict bits on others :D | 16:56 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPsd5BhDNu4 | 16:56 |
| lcuk | real maemo thing now: ive got a query in an sqlite database | 16:57 |
| lcuk | its on an indexed field | 16:57 |
| woglinde | hehe the craziest film from japanes I know of | 16:58 |
| woglinde | is this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0430651/ | 16:58 |
| lcuk | but if i call it with " .... dateamend like '20090724%' it takes much longer than expected | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | the field is indexed | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Don't 'likes' and wildcard searches take longer in general? | 16:58 |
| woglinde | sqlite is not the fastest | 16:59 |
| woglinde | regexp slows down | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, likes with wildcards in the left hand side, im used to | 16:59 |
| lcuk | but static left with + after should walk the index branch and leave me with N records matching the pattern | 16:59 |
| lcuk | quickly | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | with * after | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | lcuk, that's true... | 17:00 |
| lcuk | woglinde, its not regex tho, and sqlite seems quick with what ive got | 17:00 |
| lcuk | the db contains only about 20k records | 17:00 |
| lcuk | its just this one query | 17:01 |
| woglinde | hm | 17:01 |
| woglinde | sorry cant help | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: You can try the regexp operator and see if it is faster... | 17:02 |
| lcuk | hm, how would i do that then, im currently using: | 17:03 |
| lcuk | [[select datafilebody from liqpebble where dataclassname='sketch' and dateamend like '20140406%' order by id desc limit 1;]] | 17:03 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: try replacing "like '20090724%'" with REGEXP '20090724*'" | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | Leave the rest the same | 17:04 |
| Jaffa | If it's a regexp, .* is the equivalent of % in SQL | 17:04 |
| lcuk | cool, will try | 17:04 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Let me know how it goes, I have never actually used it myself | 17:05 |
| woglinde | oh | 17:05 |
| woglinde | cool | 17:05 |
| woglinde | didnt know of REGEXP statement | 17:05 |
| fiferboy | woglinde: I didn't either, I just found out about it :) | 17:05 |
| woglinde | need to remind that if I have to face sql again | 17:05 |
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| woglinde | in javascript * not really works as expected .+ works better | 17:06 |
| lcuk | ahhh | 17:07 |
| lcuk | "The REGEXP operator is a special syntax for the regexp() user function. No regexp() user function is defined by default and so use of the REGEXP operator will normally result in an error message. If a user-defined function named "regexp" is defined at run-time, that function will be called in order to implement the REGEXP operator." | 17:07 |
| woglinde | aeh??? | 17:07 |
| fiferboy | woglinde: Thanks, I'm no expert in regex | 17:07 |
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| woglinde | fiferboy hm not a king | 17:07 |
| woglinde | but I work hard to get my needed stuff working | 17:08 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: That doesn't sound promising... | 17:08 |
| woglinde | subgroups are compilcated but good think too | 17:08 |
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| woglinde | If a user-defined function named "regexp" is defined at run-time, hm whats this means? | 17:09 |
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| woglinde | you have to implement it yourself? | 17:09 |
| fiferboy | Sounds like you have to provide a function to sqlite for it to use for regex searches | 17:09 |
| lcuk | yeah and my guess is that would avoid using the index completely | 17:10 |
| woglinde | hm okay so you can wrap around the function your app-lang is using | 17:10 |
| lcuk | so would have to do a full regexp comparison on every field in the data | 17:10 |
| lcuk | which considering the query should run at least 35 times per screen.. | 17:11 |
| woglinde | hm | 17:11 |
| woglinde | for that I think we must look ab the sqlite source | 17:11 |
| woglinde | up | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | yeah or remove the like lol | 17:11 |
| lcuk | it was just something i wanted to try | 17:12 |
| lcuk | ive got an alternative solution but itsn ot as generic | 17:12 |
| lcuk | [[select datafilebody from liqpebble where datafilename ='day20131124.sketch' order by id desc limit 1;]] | 17:13 |
| lcuk | bah! it works perfectly lol. i wanted the calendar showing what the sketches i have worked on during that day in the calendar | 17:13 |
| fiferboy | Thus ends the great sqlite regex experiment | 17:14 |
| lcuk | flat on its face lol | 17:14 |
| lcuk | at least i know the limits now | 17:14 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, when you list data in your bird database, do you have to create and initialize every item in the grid prior to showing it on screen | 17:16 |
| lcuk | or does it build it up asynchronously | 17:16 |
| lcuk | but still builds up entire list | 17:17 |
| woglinde | hm 2013 | 17:18 |
| woglinde | some years to go | 17:18 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I load the list in two passes (first filling in species information, then sighting information) | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, the calendar for liqbase doesnt run all those queries instantly, it just builds up the query string ready | 17:18 |
| lcuk | and im grabbing the sql from the very bottom item | 17:19 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: If I fill the list asynchronously, it takes about 5 times longer to finish loading (although the interface is active during loading) | 17:19 |
| lcuk | yeah it kinetically scrolls all the way into the future | 17:19 |
| fiferboy | So right now I freeze the interface with a "List Loading" message, load, and then free the interface | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, for the lists im building, i do a single query which returns me the ID of the specific list item | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | but i do nothing with that ID until the list item cell itself is shown on screen | 17:20 |
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| lcuk | so my grid can contain thousands of items really really quickly | 17:20 |
| lcuk | and only at first render time does it do work | 17:20 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Do you look ahead while scrolling? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | no need so far | 17:21 |
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| fiferboy | I have tried doing an on-demand load, but I run into problems when I want to, for example, add a sighting since I use the same data from the main interface to populate the options in the add dialog | 17:21 |
| GAN800 | andre__, for serious, Nokia: Making It Complicated. ;) | 17:21 |
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| fiferboy | If I haven't shown everything in the main list, not all the options will show up in the add dialog | 17:21 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, the grid item and views related to them all work on the key field (id in this case) and are simply refreshed after returning from an edit screen | 17:25 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: To refresh the field you do a subsequent query with the ID that was returned in the first query? | 17:25 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:25 |
| fiferboy | I have my program setup so I only have to do the main query one time (until I switch lists) no matter how much adding, subtracting, searching I do | 17:26 |
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| lcuk | thats impractical for me lol, the database contains so many records | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | I'm not sure if that is the best way, but it runs well enough on the tablet for now | 17:27 |
| lcuk | and im expecting sync, so new records can be added at any time | 17:27 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: My database has a lot of records, but each list is static inasmuchas no further species get added or removed, only sightings | 17:28 |
| lcuk | my database is over 100mb already! | 17:28 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Ah. I thought my 4.5 MB database was big :) | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | yeah, you have a stable working set, im used to databases with millions of records | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | and needing simple result sets | 17:29 |
| lcuk | fiferboy ;) | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | Well, my species table is set, but the sightings table can expand as much as I want it | 17:29 |
| fiferboy | I just haven't seen that many birds yet :) | 17:29 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | you could start inserting sightings from the many bird watching places on the net | 17:30 |
| lcuk | "saw a nice pair, wearing red bikinis" :D | 17:30 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I also have an issue that I have to load certain tables either on install or first run to populate the species table, locations table, etc | 17:31 |
| lcuk | my database contains a version table, and this is checked on opening | 17:31 |
| lcuk | i have an automatic upgrade/convert function | 17:31 |
| fiferboy | Right now I am copying csv files with that data to /usr/share/birdlist and then importing it on first run, but that takes a long time :( | 17:31 |
| lcuk | so it is managable in the future too | 17:31 |
| lcuk | why not include a pre-populated sqlite database that you can copy into user area if required? | 17:32 |
| lcuk | instead of using csv | 17:32 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I think that might be a better solution, but with my current code if I accidentally blow away a 'set' table it will restore it on next run | 17:33 |
| fiferboy | Not something that most users should need, unless they are editing tables by hand | 17:33 |
| lcuk | the trick is to not accidentally "blow away" tables ;) | 17:33 |
| fiferboy | Yes, I'll admit it doesn't happen much | 17:33 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:34 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Do you provide an initial database when installing, or does it get generated on run | 17:34 |
| fiferboy | ? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | "oh shit, im being attacked by a swan, its got my n810, OMG its deleted a table in my database" | 17:34 |
| woglinde | lol | 17:35 |
| lcuk | liqbase originally contained no database | 17:35 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I would never go near a swan for that very reason! | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | all sketches and photos were native filesystem entries | 17:35 |
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| lcuk | i wrote an import from those | 17:35 |
| fiferboy | What about with the new database system? How does it work on a fresh install? | 17:35 |
| lcuk | which is why its got all my sketch history - when i did file system stuff i made sure i used almost GUID like filenames | 17:36 |
| lcuk | it creates a new blank database | 17:36 |
| lcuk | and then calls into the DB upgrade/convert function | 17:36 |
| lcuk | that says "ahhh, you have no version table... so makes one" | 17:36 |
| lcuk | then goes through the version cnoversions | 17:36 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: That's what I currently do, create all necessary tables and populate certain ones with data | 17:37 |
| lcuk | so v1 stuff creates the base tables, v2 adds the indexes, v3 adds the indexes i forgot at v2.. | 17:37 |
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| lcuk | yeah but as you said: a lot of your data is static | 17:37 |
| fiferboy | If I ship a starter database already populated, I would have to store it in /usr/share/birdlist on install, and then copy it to the home directory on run | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | so you can save much time, by just starting from a database already containing this data | 17:38 |
| fiferboy | Then I would be using twice the space. | 17:38 |
| lcuk | yeah thats right | 17:38 |
| lcuk | but each USER has their own database | 17:38 |
| lcuk | so /home/fiferboy/.birds has its own db | 17:38 |
| lcuk | and /home/gary/.birds has its own too | 17:39 |
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| fiferboy | Right, which is how it currently is too. Although I still use that extra space for the csv and sql files | 17:39 |
| lcuk | now, unless you split the db itself and use foreign keys you will always have the duplicity of space | 17:39 |
| lcuk | so forget about it :P | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | This way I can have the tables properly indexed, which I haven't bothered to do yet | 17:39 |
| fiferboy | Luckily the tablet is more-or-less a single user environment | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | mer doesnt tho :) | 17:40 |
| lcuk | and doesnt qt shout at you for using hard paths | 17:40 |
| fiferboy | I'll just include some code in my program so it won't run in mer, and propblem solved! | 17:41 |
| lcuk | by hard writing /home/user you already have that ;) | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Who uses hard paths? | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | I always use environment variables to get the home directory | 17:41 |
| * lcuk puts his hand up | 17:41 | |
| fiferboy | tsk tsk | 17:41 |
| lcuk | kotczarny shouts at me for it too | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Tsk, not like it's hard to not use an env variable | 17:42 |
| GAN800 | lcuk, don't be evil. | 17:42 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I'm going to boycott liqbase | 17:42 |
| lcuk | app.startpath = strdup(cwd); | 17:42 |
| lcuk | app.homepath = strdup(envhome); | 17:42 |
| lcuk | app.codepath = strdup("/usr/share/liqbase"); | 17:42 |
| lcuk | snprintf(buf,FILENAME_MAX,"%s/.liqbase",app.homepath); | 17:42 |
| lcuk | app.userdatapath=strdup(buf); | 17:42 |
| woglinde | getenv("home") works even on windows partly | 17:42 |
| lcuk | i dont anymore | 17:42 |
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| lcuk | :D | 17:43 |
| woglinde | this not honors if customer wants a customer path for /share stuff | 17:43 |
| lcuk | that customer can change the code themselves or pay me to do it! | 17:43 |
| fiferboy | Well, I have to reorginize my entire program anyway, so I may as well change the way I distribute the data too | 17:43 |
| woglinde | same stupidity libsasl does for modules | 17:44 |
| * fiferboy sighs | 17:44 | |
| lcuk | :D | 17:44 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Or use a symlink. *shrug* | 17:44 |
| lcuk | woglinde, how would i find the correct path for it then | 17:44 |
| woglinde | configure option | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | XDG spec | 17:45 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Do you use autotool yet? :) | 17:45 |
| lcuk | hah, no | 17:45 |
| lcuk | i broke 3 sdk installs trying to get that fscker working on maemo | 17:45 |
| lcuk | and went bald in the process | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html | 17:46 |
| fiferboy | But it's SOOOO much easier than creating Makefiles yourself ;) | 17:46 |
| lcuk | and so much longer when i want to add a source file | 17:46 |
| woglinde | fiferboy I have talked a lot with lcuk about it | 17:46 |
| * lcuk just opens makefile, adds blah.o and carries on | 17:46 | |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, are those variables defined by default in maemo? | 17:48 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: You just open the configure.ac file, add them there, check your Makefile.in and see if you need any extra defines, re-run automake, re-run configure and make | 17:48 |
| fiferboy | Simple. | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | you just added 5 minutes to dev time | 17:48 |
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| * fiferboy doesn't remember if that is actually how you do it or not - qt creator does it for him | 17:48 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: If the variable is unset, the spec also defines what you should consider defaults ;-) | 17:48 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: That way you can charge more for your product | 17:49 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, but im paying for it myself! | 17:49 |
| fiferboy | Charge yourself more and pass the savings on to your customers | 17:49 |
| fiferboy | Unless you are also your customer... | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, .. | 17:52 |
| fiferboy | Bulk discount? | 17:52 |
| lcuk | heh | 17:52 |
| woglinde | *g* | 17:52 |
| fiferboy | Liq-uidation? | 17:52 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:53 |
| lcuk | jaffa, noted in code. thanks | 17:53 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/commit/063092ccb5bfa553f8183327df31eedc871fea44 | 17:53 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Do you use git on the tablet? | 17:54 |
| lcuk | yeah | 17:55 |
| fiferboy | How's the performance? Switching branches and merging and things? | 17:55 |
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| lcuk | hah, i have 1 branch | 17:56 |
| lcuk | and merging is quick | 17:56 |
| lcuk | on the few times i do it | 17:56 |
| fiferboy | But it is version 1.5 something, isn't it? | 17:56 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 17:56 | |
| lcuk | git version 1.5.6.3 | 17:56 |
| lcuk | only problem ive ever had is with maemo garage itself | 17:57 |
| lcuk | it does not support the git: protocol | 17:57 |
| lcuk | and so all updates to maemo garage have to be https: protocol | 17:57 |
| fiferboy | Ah. | 17:57 |
| lcuk | and the git has been built without https CURL support because of maemoisms.. | 17:57 |
| GAN800 | I would still love to see an FBReader patch for network sync. | 17:57 |
| fiferboy | You don't lose any functionality, do you? Just slower? | 17:57 |
| lcuk | no, just doesnt work | 17:58 |
| lcuk | so i can work on my maemo device happily, but i cannot store my results on the maemo servers.. | 17:58 |
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| GAN800 | .org | 18:01 |
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| lcuk | GAN800, arent you meant to be working | 18:03 |
| RST38h | mmm...remoo or something... | 18:03 |
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| GAN800 | Slow day. | 18:04 |
| lcuk | heh | 18:04 |
| lcuk | me goes to do more databasey stuff | 18:04 |
| lcuk | cyas later \o | 18:05 |
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| coldboot | So I finally took out any `-make *` parameters to the debian/rules file for ./configure, which made qt-maemo actually build properly. | 18:41 |
| coldboot | It built find for i386, but it's failing on ARM. The exact same code, which is odd. | 18:42 |
| coldboot | I get this: qt-x11-4.5.0-1maemo2-arm/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so: undefined reference to `qdesigner_internal::DesignerPropertyManager::designerAlignmentTypeId()' | 18:42 |
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| coldboot | Does anyone know what qdesigner_internal is? | 18:44 |
| woglinde | something inside qdesigner? | 18:44 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: After you built for i386, did you check everything out clean for the ARM build? | 18:52 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: I downloaded from svn twice. | 18:59 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: So there's no possibility of it being corrupted. | 18:59 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: It's happening in the tools/designer/src tree, I could clean it out and compile again... | 18:59 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: That might work | 19:01 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: You are compiling in sb2? | 19:01 |
| coldboot | Yeah | 19:02 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: I've never completed a whole build of qt-maemo arm in sb2 before. But given i386 built find, and made debian packages, I'm not sure what it could be. | 19:02 |
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| coldboot | The build got interrupted a couple of times. | 19:02 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Do you set the mmap_min_addr to 4096? | 19:03 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: That's for an unrelated problem. | 19:04 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: It's not going to cause compiler errors, I don't think. | 19:04 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: It has affected my builds before | 19:04 |
| coldboot | Checking... | 19:04 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: It wasn't set, I just set it now. | 19:08 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: It might help | 19:08 |
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| fnordianslip | Is garage.maemo.org down? I only seem to get a blank page on two different machines. | 21:06 |
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| esaym153 | stupid n810, no one is selling any them any more and now I don't want one | 21:23 |
| esaym153 | but I think I need one | 21:23 |
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| Blafasel | Going on vecation tomorrow, thinking about using my N810 as gps tracking device to save the route. Any experience with that? Applications to recommend? Does it work at all (GPS sucks for me most of the time)? | 21:26 |
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| lcuk | Blafasel, one thing | 21:28 |
| lcuk | use internal map program | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | download map for country you are going to | 21:28 |
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| Stskeeps | and get AGPS. | 21:28 |
| lcuk | nothing worse than getting there and finally getting a lock to discover there is nothing for the country you are in | 21:28 |
| lcuk | (you are left in the middle of the sea!) | 21:28 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: actually I don't care about the map itself, more about a way to export the GPS data to create a Google Maps overlay or something later. | 21:29 |
| Blafasel | Like "This is where we've been".. | 21:29 |
| lcuk | different issue then, im not sure which app will store your breadcrumbs | 21:29 |
| lcuk | neat idea tho - remember with gps on it usually drains battery quicker | 21:30 |
| Blafasel | I'm going by car, using internal navigation. So it's meant only to store the track | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | maemo mapper stores tracks i think | 21:30 |
| Blafasel | lcuk: Yeah, I can recharge it in the car probably or every now and then | 21:30 |
| Blafasel | Stskeeps: That would be cool. actually never used that one.. | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | it's neat and caches maps too | 21:31 |
| Blafasel | Will give it a try as soon as my unit is charged again | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | i told it to download caceres in spain basically.. very useful here at debconf | 21:31 |
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| Blafasel | Though about a simple script as well, that just does a while (1); do writeGPSDataHere; sleep 5; done or something, but not sure if that is possible | 21:32 |
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| Stskeeps | sure, python / easy has a lib | 21:33 |
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| biggatings | whats happen all | 21:34 |
| biggatings | have a question here regarding the wlan card | 21:34 |
| biggatings | have an app that monitors wifi signals. After a certain amount of time, the screen goes to sleep and then the wlan card also goes to sleep | 21:35 |
| biggatings | my question is: is there a way to disable the wlan card from sleeping? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | did you test disabling power saving? | 21:36 |
| Blafasel | "Then I ran into Maemo Mapper. It's an application for the N810 which you can use to make tracks with the build in gps." | 21:36 |
| Blafasel | Nice, seems like what I want | 21:36 |
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| xnt14 | hello world! | 21:37 |
| xnt14 | :P | 21:37 |
| * xnt14 just made a new tool http://xceleo.org/mkhtml/ | 21:37 | |
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| esaym153 | Blafasel: some people use the n810 with the openstreemap project: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&q=openstreetmaps+n810&btnG=Search so there much be some way to get gps data from it.. | 21:39 |
| Blafasel | esaym153: Found that as well, but OSM2Go doesn't seem to be able to export the data for me lateron | 21:41 |
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| Blafasel | At least that's what I've read. Will give that a try as well though, the comment online is outdated/6 month old | 21:42 |
| esaym153 | Maybe you can hack it or something? | 21:42 |
| biggatings | does anyone have an idea of how to solve this issue? | 21:42 |
| Blafasel | "Maybe" (windows developer, I suck at python and have no OE environment for anything else). But not tonight. I leave in 12 hours ;) | 21:42 |
| Blafasel | biggatings: Stskeeps asked you something | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | biggatings: did you try to simply disable power saving in the control panell? :P | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | for the wifi | 21:43 |
| biggatings | yes i did that | 21:43 |
| biggatings | but it still puts the wifi card to sleep | 21:44 |
| biggatings | is there anyway to force it programmitically? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's cos the entire device goes to sleep | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 21:44 |
| biggatings | thats what i thought too... but I need to figure a way that the card stays active even if the screen goes blank | 21:45 |
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| Stskeeps | keep the machine alive then :P | 21:47 |
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| biggatings | apart from that option!!! :-) | 21:47 |
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| ds3 | 3 | 21:53 |
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| slonopotamus | heeeeey! | 22:51 |
| slonopotamus | do you hear me? | 22:51 |
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| Blafasel | Following those old GPS bugs several people say that GPS bleeds out the battery _fast_ (i.e. 4 hours). Any opinions on that? Can I hope to use it for more (say, 6-8?) | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | get a car charger | 23:09 |
| Blafasel | Yeah, I'll buy a 12v to 220v adapter tomorrow. | 23:11 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, but there's cig plug ones | 23:12 |
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| Blafasel | Stskeeps: Yeah, but I need to charge the cellphones and laptops as well ;) | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 23:13 |
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| wnd | I often have the gps on for 7 hours after recharging | 23:25 |
| wnd | navicore's "Map" constantly updates the screen and thus suck the battery dry in no time | 23:25 |
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| wnd | I get that seven hours with maemo mapper while geocaching, which means I probably have the screen turned on something like one fifth of that time | 23:27 |
| Blafasel | wnd: Thanks. I don't need to look at the screen at all, just want the log. Your comment suggests that this would work quite well. | 23:28 |
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| biggatings | anyone know if there is a "rc.local" file for the 810? | 23:36 |
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| woglinde | biggatings look into /etc/init.d | 23:37 |
| woglinde | maybee you find a file like rc.local | 23:37 |
| biggatings | ok what i am trying to do is when the device starts up, i want to run a script that sets the wlan power to off (disabling thepower mangement option) | 23:38 |
| biggatings | does that make sense? | 23:38 |
| biggatings | or do you know of somewhere that I can do this | 23:38 |
| woglinde | you can configure the wlan manager not to connect to any wlan | 23:39 |
| woglinde | so the powersafe is automagicly enabled | 23:40 |
| biggatings | thats not what I want to do | 23:40 |
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| biggatings | the problem is when i run this application, after a certain amount of time it goes to sleep also putting the wlan to sleep. I used this command and left it for 30 mins and it worked: command: iwconfig wlan0 power off | 23:41 |
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| biggatings | but to do this i need to be in root and then I need to do iwcofig wlan0 mode manged | 23:42 |
| biggatings | then run that command i put up first | 23:42 |
| `0660 | so you just want to disable the automatic wlan power management? | 23:42 |
| biggatings | yes | 23:43 |
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| `0660 | there might be a better way to do it | 23:44 |
| biggatings | all ears :-) | 23:44 |
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| `0660 | i would try searching for: maemo disabling automatic wlan power management | 23:45 |
| biggatings | tried and havent gotten anything | 23:45 |
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| `0660 | weird. you're not the first person to want to do this | 23:47 |
| biggatings | i figured as much!! | 23:47 |
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| `0660 | maybe you should wait for more knowledgeable persons to wake up in this channel | 23:48 |
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| biggatings | lol | 23:48 |
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| Stskeeps | i said exact same thing earlier.. connections, disable powerf saving.. | 23:49 |
| biggatings | i have it disabled and it still does the same thing | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | check dmesg | 23:50 |
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| slops17 | hey all | 23:50 |
| slops17 | quick question for you | 23:51 |
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| slops17 | is there a way to set the power management on the wireless card on the n810 to off permanentaly | 23:52 |
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| woglinde | lol | 23:52 |
| qwerty12_N810 | same person.. | 23:52 |
| `0660 | :) | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 23:52 |
| woglinde | ah the old game | 23:52 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't increase chances of answers | 23:53 |
| slops17 | huh | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | just decrease | 23:53 |
| woglinde | right | 23:53 |
| * slops17 is lost | 23:53 | |
| woglinde | mental ignore | 23:53 |
| konttori_ | Stskeeps: i said exact same thing earlier.. connections, disable powerf saving.. | 23:53 |
| konttori_ | [23:51] biggatings: i have it disabled and it still does the same thing | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | slops17: learn that webircs reveals your ip | 23:53 |
| konttori_ | slops17: ^ see above | 23:53 |
| slops17 | i am not the smae person | 23:53 |
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| `0660 | :D | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | ircname : 12.228.32.2, slops17 [n=slops17@12.228.32.2 | 23:54 |
| qwerty12_N810 | [biggatings] (i=0ce42002@gateway/web/freenode/x-a30f06fdaf5febe7): 12.228.32.2 | 23:54 |
| slops17 | yeah but not the same person | 23:54 |
| slops17 | didnt even know he asked | 23:54 |
| slops17 | same compnay | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | a bit personality split, eh? :P | 23:55 |
| slops17 | we are brothers :) | 23:55 |
| slops17 | looks like we both had the same idea to come and ask | 23:56 |
| `0660 | your brother didn't take the advice that well | 23:57 |
| slops17 | oh ok well like i said i didnt even know he was in here | 23:57 |
| `0660 | or should i say your "brother" :) | 23:58 |
| slops17 | u dont have to belive me that we are brothers | 23:58 |
| slops17 | just looking for some help not to bash any one | 23:59 |
| woglinde | hm gave him them same answer | 23:59 |
| woglinde | give | 23:59 |
| `0660 | go and ask your "brother" to check his dmesg as adviced | 23:59 |
| woglinde | hrms | 23:59 |
| slops17 | ok will do | 23:59 |
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