IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-07-23

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lbtwoglinde: git - specifically gitk here00:04
woglindeiieks gitk00:04
woglindeqgit is nicer00:04
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woglindegitk has always font problems00:04
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lbtcoldboot did that do it?00:22
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coldbootlbt: No, it doesn't copy the files over. It might be something that dpkg-buildpackage does, though, so I'm trying that now. It just takes forever.00:31
lbtno it won't be that00:31
lbtfor sure00:31
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lbtwhat sha# are you using?00:32
coldbootlbt: I'm using the subversion revision 54600:35
lbtok - too complex for me to pull the source + too busy sorry :(00:35
lbtyou could ask in #qt00:35
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Maceranybody around?02:25
woglindenope02:26
Macerheh02:27
Macerwas wondering if someone can check www.rancorous.net and tell me if a wordpress site opens correctly02:28
woglindeyes02:29
woglindeseems so02:29
Macerawesome. thaks02:29
Macer:)02:29
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Macercan you go to the one post there and tell me if it sends you to like02:29
Macer2009/07/22/postname02:29
Macerin the address02:29
Macer?02:30
woglindehm02:30
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Macerno?02:32
woglindeno02:32
woglindebot in the mood02:32
Macerhuh?02:32
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woglindenot in the mood02:33
Macerok02:33
Macerthanks for checking the site02:33
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jumentoushi, i'm trying to develop a home applet using clutter-gtk, i'm new to both GTK and clutter, my applet is being loaded by hildon desktop however when the clutter widget is realized i get the assertion GTK_WIDGET_ANCHORED (widget) || GTK_IS_INVISIBLE (widget) failed03:55
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jumentousmy understanding is that this means that the container that is passed to plugin_init is not parented or some such03:56
jumentoushowever when i use a standard gtk widget instead of a clutter widget the show works fine03:56
jumentousso in: http://pastebin.com/d4ebbd363 the first section works while the second does not03:57
jumentousthe clutter people said that this is likely to be to do with the way hildon attaches widgets to the home window. Can someone confirm/elaborate on this?03:58
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tlAs far as i know  every GtkWidget has "configure event",why i can't add configure event for my widget ?04:11
tlI have use function gtk_wiget_set_events to set configure event.04:12
lcukjumentous, ask in the maemo developers mailing list, i think anyone that could know is asleep now04:13
lcuksame goes for you tl i think04:13
tlok,thank you.04:14
jumentousok04:17
jumentousthanks lcuk04:17
lcuknp, hope you get it sorted.  are you designing specifically for maemo, or making a desktop widget too?04:18
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lcukwhat d oyou do when you find some "wtf" pastebins?04:29
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jhford-workwhat kind of stuff does R&D mode enable you to do?04:33
lcukjhford-work, i think it allows all sorts of research and development stuff04:34
jhford-workthanks for expanding the acronym lcuk :D04:34
lcuk:D04:35
lcukive never needed it, i think you can disable the watchdog process and stuff with it04:36
jhford-worki was hoping that there was a way to get init messages instead of the nokia logo04:36
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lcuknot by default i believe.  the messages themselves aren't actually written behind i believe04:37
jhford-workgah, that would be too easy04:37
lcukyeah i think you can in some way04:37
jhford-workwe are getting into a lot of endless reboot cycles.  we reboot the tablets a LOT04:37
lcukwhat are you doing with them04:37
lcukand do they lockup programs whilst running04:38
jhford-workperformance test automation, we reboot at the end of the test for a clean slate04:38
jhford-workno lockup04:38
jhford-workwe just reboot them04:38
lcukwhat is being tested tho.  is it switching on certain components04:38
lcukie, is there a pattern.  does it occur more with certain tests through certain branches of the software.04:40
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jhford-workno, it is only an issue when the unit is rebooting04:43
jhford-workour script just runs "reboot" if i am not mistaken04:43
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Macerhm08:23
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Macerwhat is the easiest way to use a vhost in apache to do a simple address redirection?08:24
Macermeaning if someone connexts to http://www.foo.org it will send them to https://www.foo.org08:25
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RST38hWhen the first "wave" of the disease strikes its hosts, the host will sneeze, several blue sparks will fly from the host, and the host will transform into a chicken instantaneously. Most clothing dissapears as well, though particularly prominent pieces of clothing have been known to stay.08:36
RST38hGood morning all08:36
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Stskeepsmorning08:37
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MacerStskeeps: you have any direction as to how one would go about redirecting an http to https in apache?08:41
StskeepsRedirect statement08:41
Macerso the whole vhost would be Redirect https://www.foo.com08:41
Macerand thats it? ;)08:41
Stskeepsno, redirect / https etc i think08:42
Stskeepsgoogle a bit08:42
Maceri am08:42
Macerbest i found was mod-proxy08:42
Macermod_proxy08:42
Macerwhich i thought was overkill08:42
Maceri just need the browser to redirect to the https from http08:43
Macerto make things easier08:43
Maceri finally have wp going rather nicely08:43
Macerhave to make the tech one tho08:43
Macerwww.rancorous.net = testing... going to vhost tech.tancorous.n08:44
Macertech.rancorous.net soon08:44
Macerwordpress is impressive for something that takes 2 mins to set up08:44
Macer<VirtualHost *> ServerAlias example.com Redirect permanent / http://www.example.com/ </VirtualHost>08:48
Maceroops08:48
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xnt14[n810]does anyone have a copy of /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop?09:18
* xnt14[n810] was messing around with hildon and it disappeared :P09:19
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qwerty12_N810http://pastebin.com/f7eb8d6d309:20
xnt14[n810]thank you!09:20
xnt14[n810]yay! it works again!!!09:22
xnt14[n810]:P09:22
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xnt14[n810]hmm09:24
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Macerhello?09:59
MacerStskeeps: you still around?09:59
StskeepsMacer: in train on tablet. going to spain10:00
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LinuxCodeStskeeps, you go by train ;-O10:01
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* LinuxCode feels for your behind10:01
Maceroh. never mind then10:01
Macerheh10:01
Macercan someone here test www.rancorous.net and tech.rancorous.net and see if they get to both? :)10:02
LinuxCodetest how ?10:02
Macerjust go to them in a web browser10:02
Macerif you have time to comment on the 1 post that is there too :) that would be awesome10:02
Macerafter that i'm golden10:03
LinuxCodehold10:03
StskeepsLinuxCode: 3hr train to airport, 3hr flight, 3hr train to caceres10:03
LinuxCodeohhhh10:03
MacerStskeeps: what's in spain?10:03
Macerspanish women ? :)10:03
StskeepsMacer: debconf910:04
Macerthe secret lover you keep for 20 years until you enstranged wife finds out about her?10:04
Maceroh10:04
Macernm then :)10:04
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StsN810not really a guy who'd be capable of finding a lover ;). surprised enough i will be married10:06
LinuxCodeMacer, there10:06
LinuxCodeMacer, what for a blog is that ?10:06
Macerwell. that's just one10:07
Macertech.rancorous.net will be my tech one ;)10:07
Macerand www is going to be my political one10:07
Macerheh10:07
MacerUS politics tho so most euros wouldn't care about it10:07
LinuxCodepolitical lol10:07
Macer:)10:07
Maceri am going to start my first blog off with10:07
Macerwhy fascism would work if the fascist dictators of the past weren't evil men10:08
MacerBUT.. for now i'm working on getting wordpress installed on a few vhosts ;)10:08
Macerpretty awesome blog webapp10:08
LinuxCodedoes that apply to stalin too ?10:08
Macerwell. stalin was communist. but i suppose he could be considered a fascist communist :)10:09
LinuxCodewhy men are evil ?10:09
Macerhaha10:09
Macerno10:09
LinuxCode;-p10:09
Macermore so towards hitler10:09
Macerand if people could look past the fact that he was an evil murdering bastard...10:09
Macerthat they could see that there actually was some good done by him10:09
Macerand germany advanced rather quickly under fascist control10:09
LinuxCodewell, hitler himself didnt make everything evil, it was his cronies too10:09
Maceri mean don't get me wrong10:10
Macerhad he won i'd be sent to a slave/death camp due to my impure blood10:10
Macerbut you have to give the man credit where it's due ;)10:10
LinuxCodeit went that way, because Htler let them kill each other, survival of the fittest10:10
LinuxCodeehhh10:10
Macerwell. hitler was also quite paranoid10:10
LinuxCodeMacer, I dont think so10:10
Macerand constantly fighting off coups10:10
LinuxCodehe deserves no credit for anything10:10
LinuxCodelol10:11
Macerlol10:11
Macersee10:11
Macerthat is the closed mindedness that plagues everybody10:11
LinuxCodeyou are correct about his paranoia, thats why he let them beat each other instead of him10:11
Maceryou never hear people saying such things about ghengis khan10:11
Macer:) who also killed by the millions10:11
LinuxCodeMacer, I speak German, I grew up in Germany, I studied the subject more than most10:11
LinuxCodeMacer, it wasnt the killing itself, it was the philosophy behind those killings and the methods10:12
Macerso killing isn't just killing?10:12
LinuxCodethats not what I meant10:12
LinuxCodeand I didnt say that either10:12
Macerpersian armies would go through killing people by the hundreds of thousands.. what makes them any different?10:12
Macer:) their idealogy was that the persian empire was the greatest10:12
LinuxCodethey didnt create industrial killing machines10:12
Macerand they had every right to kill everybody in their path10:12
MacerLinuxCode: heh. yeahh i guess i can give you that much10:13
LinuxCodeand use chemicals and develop chemicals to exterminate political and ethnic groups10:13
LinuxCodeany killing is bad10:13
MacerLinuxCode: only because they lacked the chemistry knowledge ;)10:13
LinuxCodefor ethnic, religious or other reasons10:13
Macerbut see10:13
LinuxCodefact is, humans suck10:14
Macerpeople always fixiate on teh mass murders ;)10:14
Macerand not anything else that was done by hitler's germany10:14
LinuxCodebun ch of greedy mofos10:14
LinuxCodejealous10:14
LinuxCodeetc..10:14
Maceroh i agree10:14
Macerbut once people hear hitler10:14
Macerthe ythink anti-semetic10:14
LinuxCodeMacer, ok, so what did Hitlers Germany do thats good10:14
Maceror they think "mass murderer" death camps10:14
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MacerLinuxCode: unified a country in the most horrible of economic states10:15
LinuxCodeapart from rockets10:15
Macerwent from a horrible economy to a huge worldwide industrial powerhouse10:15
LinuxCodeMacer, they were in a horrible state because they were made to pay for their previous war10:15
LinuxCodewhich they started10:15
LinuxCode+ it was the whole world in a slump10:15
MacerLinuxCode: true.. but. he still had to pull germany out of it ;)10:15
LinuxCodemy grandad saled to Canada for that reason10:15
suihkulokkihitlers german was the first place where ecological conserveration and eco-laws were created ;)10:15
LinuxCodeand couldnt get a job10:15
LinuxCodeMacer, they borrowed money like idiots10:16
Macersuihkulokki: thanks for jumping in there ;)10:16
suihkulokkithis gives a new sound to the word "ecofascist", right :)10:16
LinuxCodeit was finanical wrangling10:16
LinuxCodeafter the war Germany had nothing10:16
Macersuihkulokki: haha10:16
Macerecofascist!10:16
Macerhurry up and trademark it!10:16
StsN810(C) greenpeace10:17
LinuxCodeand 90% of how they paid for war efforts, which created all the jobs, was by stealing jewish propeties etc..10:17
LinuxCodeor of other groups10:17
LinuxCodeSocial Democrats etc..10:17
LinuxCodethey stole factories, even a condom manufacturer10:17
MacerLinuxCode: and from that nothingness.. a man worked his way into a political party... found a way to unify the nation.. and turned Germany from a disgustingly depressed economic civilization to a huge industrial powerhouse with the resources to fight almost the entire world at once10:17
Maceri mean he lost .. but they did put up a good fight :)10:18
LinuxCodeMacer, assuming they wouldnt have invaded France etc..10:18
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LinuxCodeGermany would have gone bust after  years10:18
Macerassuming they didn't attack russia actually ;)10:18
LinuxCodeMacer, where do you get this idea that it was all great ?10:18
LinuxCodelol10:18
LinuxCodeMacer, get your facts straight10:18
StsN810hmm, MID could be Maemo Internet Device too10:18
Macerlol.. i don't.. i just get the impression that it was better than it was before the rise of nazi power10:18
LinuxCodeMacer, well, it seemed "better", it wasnt really10:19
LinuxCodeit was an illusion10:19
Macerwell.. at least for the pure blood germans who supported the furer10:19
Macerheh10:19
LinuxCode+ a lot of Germans were against hitler, but didnt dare to speak out10:19
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LinuxCodedue to the brown shirts10:19
LinuxCodeyou would get beat on the street10:19
Macerthose damn brown shirts! :)10:19
LinuxCodemaybe end up in a concentration camp10:19
LinuxCodeMacer, PLEASE10:19
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Macerbut i am not interested in the cruelness of nazis10:20
LinuxCodesome advice mate, get your facts from history books not the inet10:20
* RST38h yawns10:20
MacerLinuxCode: i will try ;)10:20
RST38hMacer: Of course it was better than BEFORE the rise of nazi power10:20
RST38hMacer: Germany has just lost the WWI10:20
Macerbut i'm not trying to think about the nazi cruelness. the goal will be to show what hitler's germany did that was good10:20
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RST38hMacer: Just because it was "better" does not mean a thing10:20
LinuxCodeMacer, PLEASE10:21
LinuxCodeit seemed better, I told you that10:21
MacerSO.. Pandora :) how is that coming along?10:21
LinuxCodeif it wasnt for that smartarse banker hitler made Finance Minister or whatever you may call it10:21
LinuxCodewho fiddled the figures and found money to build motorways etc..10:21
LinuxCodeand arms factories10:21
LinuxCodewhich put people in jobs10:21
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LinuxCodethey would have got kicked out by a revolt 3 years later10:22
jjoso, let's talk about religion next...10:22
LinuxCodejjo, no thanks10:22
LinuxCodeI dont like Religions whatsoever10:22
jjoor editors ;)10:22
LinuxCodediscuss....10:22
LinuxCodewithout me10:22
* RST38h is always willing to talk about the Tentacled One10:22
StsN810bacon, anyone?10:22
* LinuxCode just dislikes it when people claim Hitler did good10:23
suihkulokkilets make bacon out of the tentacled one10:23
jjoreligion and politics, always good topics10:23
LinuxCodepeople who never properly looked into the history10:23
LinuxCodejjo, lol10:23
RST38hsuihkulokki: http://www.e-blog.com.ua//data/storage/images/96414046e328b479d90694d6b05fc91e.jpg10:23
jjoeditors, operating systems and programming languages also work among geeks10:23
jjovim ftw btw10:24
suihkulokkijjo: i think we classify those religions10:24
suihkulokki:wq!10:24
Macerheh10:24
Macer2nd one was going to be the hybrid car and how creating the lithium batteries probably adds more disgust into the earth's atmosphere than any types of fossil fuel10:25
LinuxCodeRST38h, loool10:25
LinuxCodewhats that ? tuna can ?10:25
RST38hLithium batteries are good though10:25
RST38hJust imagine them rapturing when you drive your car into a lake. Instant coolness.10:26
RST38hLinux: The inscription on the can says "herring"10:26
RST38hLinux: But of caourse we know better =)10:27
LinuxCodehaha10:27
LinuxCodeherring10:27
LinuxCodeno wonder the person took a pic10:27
LinuxCodebrilliant mate10:27
LinuxCode[08:25] <Macer> 2nd one was going to be the hybrid car and how creating the lithium batteries probably adds more disgust into the earth's atmosphere than any types of fossil fuel10:28
LinuxCodeprobably got a point there10:28
LinuxCodewould have ro research that10:28
LinuxCodeto*10:28
RST38hLinux: We had a class back at the university (CHEM374? don't tremember) about this kind of stuff10:29
LinuxCodeMacer, just please do me a favour, please research Germans history a bit better10:29
LinuxCodebefore you write something about it10:29
LinuxCodeRST38h, about what exactly ?10:29
LinuxCodelithium in batteries ?10:29
RST38hLinux: Ecology impact of various technologies, with full technological cycles considered10:30
LinuxCodesounds interesting10:30
LinuxCodeand what were the basic ideas ?10:30
RST38hLinux: The basic idea was that most of the stuff greens are telling you is wrong because it is shortsighted10:30
LinuxCodeId go along with that10:31
RST38hLinux: Once you consider total environmental impact, nuclear power wins by a huge margin for example10:31
LinuxCodeWe humans seem to think we know a lot, yet we know so little10:31
LinuxCodeRST38h, well, Im pro fusion10:31
LinuxCodebut thats expensive, and thats why Politicians dont like it10:31
RST38hLinux: no practical fusion based technologies yet, just fission based10:32
LinuxCodeas it will take time and cost for the UK alone probably around 500 billion £10:32
LinuxCodeRST38h, yah, but if we hadnt dragged our feet10:32
LinuxCodemaybe ITER would be up and running already10:32
RST38hLinux: Not known really10:32
LinuxCodeand have been for 5-10 years10:32
RST38hLinux: Russians have been fiddling with Tokamaks for years, no success so far10:33
LinuxCodeRST38h, many countries have, SOuth Korea , Germany, US , UK10:33
LinuxCodemnay more10:33
LinuxCodethats why everyone is froking money into ITER10:33
LinuxCodeforking10:33
RST38hLinux: Does not mean it will succeed10:33
RST38hLinux: But even if it will, there is the heat pollution problem10:34
LinuxCodewell, its the most prmising project yet10:34
RST38hLinux: When you make or spend electricity, lots of work goes into heating the atmosphere10:34
LinuxCodeRST38h, im not a scientist in that field, but its our best hope10:34
suihkulokkigreenpeace was distributing some spam here that the delay of the .fi nuclear plant is costing us "3billion eur" and that politicans are lying to us about nuclear costs10:34
RST38hLinux: So, no matter how you make it, with coal or nuclear power, you are still heating up your own atmosphere10:35
LinuxCodeRST38h, could well be yes10:35
LinuxCodecooling water10:35
LinuxCodebut then Im not a scientist in that field10:35
LinuxCodeso who knows10:35
suihkulokkionly problem.. that sum is from the fact that electricity is now more expensive than it would be if the nuclear plant was producing electricity to the grid now..10:35
LinuxCode;-}10:35
* LinuxCode would love to be involved with iter10:37
LinuxCodethat be an awesome project to be part of10:37
LinuxCode;-D10:37
X-FadeMorning10:40
suihkulokki.oO( because of the resistance against building nuclear power, we have actually been buying nuclear electricity from russia )10:41
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JaffaMorning, all10:44
StsN810_morning jaffa10:44
MacerLinuxCode: :)10:51
Macerwww.rancorous.net10:52
Macerhaha10:52
Macerhave to work on research when i get the chance10:52
Macerwordpress is pretty awesome10:52
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RST38hMacer: Read Fatherland by Harris when you get a chance10:53
MacerRST38h: ok. heh10:53
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Maceri promise i'll read it as soon as i get my touch book ;)10:54
RST38hhehe10:54
Macerin fbreader10:54
Macerwith it attached to a metal place i put on my wall next to my bed10:54
Macerto stick its magnetized surface onto10:55
mavhcheating the atmosphere isn't a problem unless there's something trapping the heat10:58
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RST38hmavhc: Atmosphere is =)11:02
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Macerwelp. overall i guess i can consider this apache+wordpress a success11:14
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thopiekarhi there.14:11
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X-Fadehi thopiekar14:12
thopiekardoes somebody know how the url is to get maemo-mapper working with google maps?14:12
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thopiekarmaemo-mapper is just downloading old ones..14:12
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thopiekarhi X-Fade14:13
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Jaffadanielwilms: ping15:06
danielwilmsJaffa: hi15:06
Jaffadanielwilms: Remember we were talking about a wiki page describing ways to write your app to save battery; I'd appreciate any thoughts you can get on whether using focus and is_topmost is an adequate way: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-July/019941.html - there doesn't seem to be a good way of getting notified when your app on Maemo goes into the background :-(15:07
JaffaAnd (more importantly) when it comes back to the front again15:08
danielwilmsJaffa: ok...I will look again at it...the discussion proceeded quite ok in the list, so that I was not so active afterwards as so many are on vacations...I will write a mail here internally around point on your wiki page...would that be ok?!?15:10
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Jaffadanielwilms: Perfect. There could be a trick that I'm missing, and having something authoritative from the people trying to save as much battery as possible would help :)15:14
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danielwilmsJaffa: that's definitely important!!!!15:16
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VDVsxhurry up, only 267 remaining places for the summit :P , lol15:52
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X-FadeVDVsx: Also a good excuse to go to Amsterdam :)15:55
X-FadeWhy else would one go there? :D15:55
VDVsxX-Fade, lolol, really true :)15:55
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lcukJaffa, alternatives to shorter battery life could involve, strategies for carrying car batteries, correct untangled looping of extension cables, angling of solar panels16:36
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lcuk!!! we could even use, lemons pennies and nails!16:37
lcuk(mornin btw \o)16:38
RST38hpotatoes work better16:38
VDVsxlcuk, or onion's : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM16:38
lcukVDVsx watching that vid made me cry :'(16:39
VDVsxahahah16:39
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lcukmmmm why doesnt this look right: http://topcultured.com/relationships/girlfriends-of-the-world-take-note/16:44
jaskaprobably means she threw something important out or broke something16:47
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bigglesworthhi all16:49
bigglesworthneed to get some help16:49
bigglesworthi have a 810 that I am trying to figure something out.16:49
bigglesworthI want to create an custom image16:50
bigglesworthbut I don't know how to go about doing that. and I havent found any info on it16:51
woglindefor what?16:54
woglindewith the cam?16:54
woglindebackground?16:54
bigglesworthfor the 81016:54
woglinde*sigh*16:54
bigglesworthnot a picture image16:54
bigglesworthits the firmware (what you flash)16:54
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woglindewhat you want to customize?16:55
bigglesworthi have various dependencies that need to be installed for my application to run16:55
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bigglesworthi want to modify the latest firmware to include these dependencies, so all i need to do is install my app16:56
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lcukbigglesworth, doesnt app manager ummmmmm manage to bring in dependencies16:56
bigglesworthok... here is the situation. The company I work for uses the 810 and installs a particular application (created inhouse) and sells it to clients16:57
woglindebigglesworth were is the problem?16:58
bigglesworthso what I would like to do is install everything except the application16:58
woglindesetup an inhouse debian-repos16:58
woglindewith all your deps16:58
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woglindeif they arent in offical repos16:58
bigglesworthand when they sell something all that needs to be done is flash with the custom image and then install tha pp16:58
bigglesworthapp16:58
X-FadeA custom .install file can take care of that?16:59
lcukbigglesworth, but the dependency problem is solved by app manager. woglinde just said it16:59
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lcukit sounds odd you are wanting all the hard work, AND THEN still wanting to install the app on its own16:59
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bigglesworththats fine, but I dont want to have to connect to the internet or any network to download all of these dependencys16:59
lcukif you were going to the trouble of making and maintaining a custom image wouldnt it be better to install your app as part of it?17:00
lcukyour customers will17:00
lcukand what hapepns when they want to reflash17:00
lcukwill they get the nokiaupdater17:00
lcukor bigglesworth updater17:00
woglindebigglesworth you put a debian repos on sdcard too17:00
woglinde+can17:00
bigglesworthyeah but thats not what i am looking for17:00
lcukwoglinde o_O thats a neat solution17:00
woglindemaemo using apt17:00
woglindeand dpkg17:01
woglindeso sources.list can handle file17:01
lcukthats a really cool one actually, cos a reflash doesnt destroy the mmc117:01
qwerty12_N810bigglesworth: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image . (it will not make a bin, but, rather, a flashable jffs2 image which can only be flashed with flasher-3.0 under linux or flasher-3.5 beta under Windows) I've only ever made initfs jffs2 images and not rootfs images so I'm not the best person to ask for help17:01
woglindeisteand of http17:01
woglindeqwerty nah thats hell17:01
bigglesworththats more of what I am looking17:01
X-FadeAnd redistributing nokia binaries is not allowed.17:01
X-FadeSo that is not an option.17:02
lcuknot allowed to redistribute even if still part of the device itself?17:02
X-Fadelcuk: Well, if you don't transfer it out of the device, I think you are safe.17:03
lcukmind you, taking the binaries off and fudging with them on servers isnt on the device itself17:03
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SjBhas anyone got usb-audio to work with Diablo17:05
bigglesworthto make it simpler to understand, when you work in the IT department you usually have a basic image for windows for new employees with everything standard that an average employee would use17:05
bigglesworththats what I wanna do with the 81017:05
X-Fadebigglesworth: I think that should be ok.17:05
lcukthen the simplest is to obtain a stack of mmc cards, and set each device to "boot from mmc"17:06
lcukjust keep those updated with the latest live image17:06
bigglesworthnot an option17:06
lcukbut a practical workable solution in most cases ;)17:06
lcukthat doesnt make you go up against everything, you can get image right on 1 device and copy to all you need17:06
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X-Fadebigglesworth: Why would your clients flash the device?17:07
bigglesworthyes, but from what I have read the device runs slow when booted from mmc17:07
X-Fadebigglesworth: Eh? It should be a lot faster.17:07
qwerty12_N810eh? If anything, it's faster17:07
bigglesworthreally17:07
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lcukyeah :)17:07
X-Fadebigglesworth: A proper sd is a lot faster than the internal mmc.17:07
bigglesworthand if the mmc crashes then the stock image come back17:08
lcukyeah17:08
X-FadeAnd when not using jffs2, you don't have to uncompress things.17:08
bigglesworthok... that might be the option. i was under the impression it was much slower17:08
woglindehm as I said17:08
bigglesworthbut thats good.... how do i start doing this option?17:09
woglindeputting local repos on sd17:09
qwerty12_N810~boot-sd17:09
infobothmm... boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card17:09
woglindeso you can flash with official image17:09
bigglesworthok thanks... i will definetly take a look at it.17:10
bigglesworthwhats the best size sd to get for this?17:11
lcukdepends on whether you want more space or not17:11
lcuk2gb is reasonable even now, half for os, half for any extra data17:11
woglinde2 gig should be enough17:11
bigglesworthcool...17:11
woglindeand pricy17:11
bigglesworthhave any of you guys done this process on vmware?17:12
woglindewhat?17:12
lcukbigglesworth, and you can keep customised cards around and just switch and reboot for them17:12
bigglesworthI have a vmware with maemo sdk and scratchbox17:12
lcukold style amiga boot disks :D17:12
qwerty12_N810Cloning to SD is done from a tablet.17:12
lcukyou get your tablet image "just right" with all apps you want.  then clone that one17:13
lcukyou can rinse/repeat as often as you like17:13
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coldbootWhere do the demos get made in the Qt build system? I can't find the word "qtdemo" in any build file, nor is there a Makefile generated in any *demo* directory...17:18
coldbootThe build system for 4.5.0 fails non-deterministically, it's amazing.17:18
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fiferboycoldboot: demos and examples, I think, are defined in the configure line in debian/rules17:19
fiferboycoldboot: Are you asking how to set it up so they don't build?17:19
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coldbootfiferboy: The stupid build system says it can't find debian/tmp/usr/bin/qtdemo and craps out every time. So I'm wondering how to manually build it.17:31
coldbootThis build system is some serious shit.17:31
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fiferboycoldboot: Does your debian/rules file have a variable in the config line for demosdir?17:38
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coldbootfiferboy: /usr/lib/qt4/demos17:40
fiferboycoldboot: Okay, that's the same17:40
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slonopotamushttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-binaries_explicit_armel/libcal-dev/0.2.5.m5/ how i download deb/tarball?18:00
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X-Fadeslonopotamus: You don't.18:00
X-Fadeslonopotamus: You need to get a key for these closed binaries.18:00
slonopotamusbinaries? it's just header files18:01
X-Fadeslonopotamus: It is still in the nokia binaries repository.18:01
slonopotamushow i get the key?18:02
X-Fadeslonopotamus: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php18:02
slonopotamus'Please add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox'18:03
slonopotamusi don't have scratchbox18:03
X-Fadeslonopotamus: Yes this is for the sdk. Be aware that you are not allowed to disclose the key.18:03
slonopotamus... i just want to look at those headers18:04
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X-Fadeslonopotamus: Feel free to file a bug about closed headers. Maybe something can be fixed..18:05
slonopotamusX-Fade, can you tell me what license they're under?18:06
slonopotamusalternatively: how i install scratchbox on n800?18:06
X-Fadeslonopotamus: 1 let me check, 2 you dont.18:06
slonopotamus1: thanks, 2: err. i'm supposed to buy myself a desktop in order to read several kilobytes of headers?18:08
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X-Fadeslonopotamus: It doesn't say the license in the header file.18:08
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X-Fadeslonopotamus: Copyright (C) 2004-2008 Nokia. All rights reserved.18:08
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slonopotamusgreat. thank you. it that case don't show me those headers under any circumstances18:09
X-Fadeslonopotamus: fwiw, I'm with you that this should not be the case..18:10
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X-Fadeslonopotamus: But your best bet is bugzilla..18:10
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X-Fadeslonopotamus: And I think that one has to do a lot of effort for a 40 lines header file :(18:11
X-Fadeslonopotamus: You could ping the maintainer as shown in the package interface?18:12
slonopotamusmeh, if they're propriatery, i don't need them18:12
X-Fadelooks like it at least.18:13
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JaffaProbably because the default position (even for headers) is closed.18:16
X-FadeWell cal is probably closed intentionally.18:17
slonopotamusJaffa, then why publish closed headers at all?18:17
* slonopotamus is writing opensource libcal alternative. muahaha18:18
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lcukslonopotamus, every time someone mentions libcal i think its the calendar18:39
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slonopotamuslcuk, you have a chance to make up a better name for opensource one :)18:40
coldbootfiferboy: Is the 4.5.2 patch ready to go, would you say?18:40
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lcukslonopotamus, i have my own calendar, but not a calibration library18:41
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lcukits like "pentesting" using the n81018:41
lcuki think it relates to drawing and ink and stuff18:41
lcukbut noooooooo, its fudging networking18:41
slonopotamuslcuk, i don't like 'calibration' at all18:42
fiferboycoldboot: It looks good to me, except for that problem bringing up the keyboard after it has been popped down18:42
coldbootfiferboy: Was that bug in the pre-patch version?18:43
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slonopotamuscalibration is smth like tuning, configuring. and libcal is just an api for storing/reading structured things in /dev/mtd118:43
fiferboycoldboot: I haven't tested it yet, I'll test it next time I do a build18:43
coldbootk18:43
slonopotamusbesides that, it's tied to nand nature of that storage18:45
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Andy80hi18:51
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slonopotamusAndy80, hello18:52
slonopotamusAndy80, your nick is  like Algol76 :)18:52
slonopotamus68, i meant18:54
slonopotamusw/e18:54
Andy80don't know him :P18:54
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slonopotamusAndy80, so. what's your problem?18:56
Andy80uh?18:56
Andy80why should I have one :) ?18:56
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slonopotamusAndy80, hmm... usually people come to project-specific irc channels either to ask for help or to suggest help (or just to hang without any visible reaction) :)18:58
Andy80I just need to relax a couple of minutes ;)18:59
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RST38hmoo all19:11
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rmtHiya.. are there any apps like tomboy/conboy but with sync support?  And Linux desktop .. happy to setup my own server also.19:12
RST38hyou can use rsync to sync the whole system19:15
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Pavlovjeremiah: ping me when you're around?19:25
rmtuhuh19:27
rmtI quite like evernote's idea.. seems logical..19:27
rmtAnd imminently useful, although I'd prefer to use my own servers.19:28
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fiferboycoldboot: Unfortunately, it is not an existing problem19:46
coldbootfuck19:47
fiferboycoldboot: Repeated pop-ups and pop-downs work without issue in the un-patched code19:47
coldbootSo how do you reproduce?19:47
fiferboycoldboot: Pop up the keyboard on an input widget, pop it down with a non-input widget, then try to get it to pop up with an input widget again19:47
fiferboyThis works fine in the old code, but I only get one pop-up and pop-down with your fix19:48
coldbootIt might be because the proxy is getting reset.19:48
fiferboycoldboot: Does the proxy get removed on pop-down?19:49
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coldbootfiferboy: Yeah.19:50
coldbootfiferboy: Maybe it should just always be set.19:50
fiferboycoldboot: That might work.19:51
coldbootIt gets set to NULL when you send the IM_HIDE signal, which is the signal required to make the keyboard go away.19:51
lcukrmt http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png19:51
coldbootI'm going to reproduce on my system. If you do it on shopper's LineEdit, then click shopper's dropdown, and again, does it popup tiwce?19:51
lcukthis is on its way :)19:51
fiferboycoldboot: What happens if a widget already has an input proxy?19:51
coldbootfiferboy: Then stuff could potentially get forwarded to the old widget that used to be set as the proxy...19:52
coldbootMy function really should be called setHIMProxyReceiver...19:52
fiferboycoldboot: Yes, line edit, drop down, line edit should pop the keyboard twice, and does in the old code19:53
coldbootok19:53
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rmtlcuk, Nice, but won't be ready by the end of the month. :-P19:54
lcukim using it now :)19:54
rmtI think my best bet is to compile conboy for my desktop, add all the notes and things I'll need for my trip, and then sync it all.19:54
lcukit wont be released tho lol19:55
rmtAnd maybe create a small xml parser and have it on my server too.19:55
lcukif you have your own server just make a forum and browse from tablet19:55
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rmtlcuk - won't have internet most of the time20:02
lcukahh20:03
rmthardly care about sync'ing if I've got internet20:03
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coldbootfiferboy: It works fine in 4.5.0. I click LineEdit, keyboard comes up, I click dropdown, keyboard goes away, then click LineEdit, then click LineEdit again, keyboard comes up. (You have to click lineedit twice to get off the dropdown and activate it, so to speak).20:04
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fiferboycoldboot: I wonder if the double click was my problem... I see it is the same in the old code20:05
coldbootYou have to watch for the blinking cursor on the LineEdit.20:06
fiferboycoldboot: I will check it again in 4.5.2 in your patched version20:08
fiferboycoldboot: Are you using hildon-input-method in your clone as the working branch?20:08
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coldbootfiferboy: Yeah, I use him-proxy, then merge to hildon-input-method.20:14
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fiferboycoldboot: Gotcha.  I 'm going to start a build, I'll let you know in a few minutes20:15
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Khertan_n810Hello guys !20:16
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GeneralAntilles andre__, title should've been Nokia: Making it Complicated. :D20:16
Khertan_n810Sharepy is a great maemo apps !20:17
GeneralAntillesHi, Khertan_n810.20:17
Khertan_n810i ve just upload some mOrganize screenshots : http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/mOrganize20:17
Khertan_n810:)20:18
JaffaKhertan_n810: You going to be at the summit again, btw?20:18
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Khertan_n810Jaffa: i don t know yet20:18
Khertan_n810i ve so much expenses on my car !20:18
Khertan_n810i m hoping the phone network will be stable20:19
JaffaKhertan_n810: Hence sponsorship...20:19
Khertan_n810:)20:19
Khertan_n810there is also sponsorship this year for the summit ?20:20
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Khertan_n810the last time i ve look at the wiki it wasn t sure20:20
GeneralAntillesSure as hell better be. ;)20:20
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JaffaKhertan_n810: Yup. When you sign up you can request it and give a reason.20:21
Khertan_n810so maybe :)20:21
Khertan_n810i hope mOrganize will be finish :à20:22
Khertan_n810so i ll have somethings to show20:22
RST38hyawn20:22
Khertan_n810someone have some graphical skin here ?20:23
* GeneralAntilles shudders at the thought of: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=306239&postcount=2520:23
Khertan_n810i need some help to design icons and nice display20:23
Khertan_n810for mOrganize20:24
fiferboyGeneralAntilles: At first I thought you were shuddering at the thought of a summit in Canada20:24
GeneralAntillesNah, shuddering at the thought of deranged people leading the community. :)20:25
qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: when applying for your sponsorship; ask for a tranquilizer gun20:25
GeneralAntillesTasers are cheap these days.20:25
JaffaGeneralAntilles: Hopefully Nokia'll appreciate the councils they've had to date ;-)20:25
coldbootHow many people went to the last summit?20:26
Jaffa250ish, IIRC20:26
Macerwordpress is awesome20:27
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Khertan_n810250 ? i think it was 35020:27
Maceruhm20:28
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JaffaKhertan_n810: Maybe. I know there's space and planning for more this time.20:29
Khertan_n810jaffa: great news20:30
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Khertan_n810it s seems i ve forgotten my maemo password :( ... keeping password saved in application isn t a good thing for memory20:32
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lcukKhertan_n810, your password is 12345 :D20:33
Khertan_n810lcuk : you loose :)l20:34
Khertan_n810hi lcuk20:34
Khertan_n810how do you do ?20:34
lcukhey there.  im good actually20:34
Khertan_n810héhé20:35
lcukfinally managed to get database access working.  i have every single sketch/photo/note/cal entry from day one in there now20:35
lcukover 100mb!20:35
Khertan_n810lol20:35
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Khertan_n810it s a fusion of mCalendar, mTodos, mNotes20:36
Khertan_n810hey look at that : http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/mOrganize20:36
Khertan_n810it s more like a pim ...20:36
fiferboycoldboot: Looks good.  I got the pop-up, pop-down to repeat as often as I liked20:36
lcukKhertan_n810, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png  this is looking good too20:36
Khertan_n810with a palm style : no more than 3 click to create an imple entry20:37
lcukyour cal is looking good20:38
lcuki gather you sorted speed out20:38
Khertan_n810it s a bit faster than mCalendar<:)20:38
lcukthats a bonus then, how well does it all work if you run from desktop too?20:39
lcukie, is it magically synced between them quickly20:39
Khertan_n810not yet :)20:39
lcukit still uses google under the hood doesnt it?20:39
Khertan_n810but it s the plan :)20:40
Khertan_n810yep :)20:40
lcuki am actually managing to tick things off the bottom of my big todo list20:40
Khertan_n810the calendar ync with google20:40
lcukso if you write entries from desktop - it WILL already magically appear on tablet :)20:41
amrthe tablet is missing that, majorly20:41
amrimo20:41
Khertan_n810great :)20:41
lcuki got the tagging of stuff working properly now in the database: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090722_035137.ctrlliqpebble_tagcloud1.scr.png20:42
fiferboycoldboot: I added another comment to your merge request confirming that it works properly compared to the unpatched behaviour20:42
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fiferboylbt: Hello?20:48
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* lcuk vanishes - cyas later \o20:50
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khertan_n810i m back20:54
khertan_n810connection isn t stable20:54
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khertan_n810so if there is someone that have some graphic skills, mOrganize is skinnable, so do not hesitate to contact me if you want to participe to the project20:55
RST38hkhertan: wazd? =)20:56
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khertan_n810http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/mOrganize20:56
amrm0rganize sounds like such a hacker name :(20:56
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khertan_n810yep it s not the final name20:56
khertan_n810:)it20:56
khertan_n810it s a fusion between mCalendar, mTodos and mNotes20:57
khertan_n810a PIM without contacts :)20:57
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khertan_n810still with a finger ui20:58
khertan_n810:)20:58
khertan_n810and still not finish20:59
khertan_n810:)20:59
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amrnice21:04
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amris it just me, or does the samsung mondi look identical to the n810?21:16
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LinuxCodeits just you21:21
LinuxCodeultimately, anything will look similar due to the size contraints21:22
LinuxCodecheck the keybaord21:22
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LinuxCodeits completely different21:22
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LinuxCodewell maybe not completely, but then form factor doesnt exactly allow for anything but that configuration21:27
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LinuxCodeif thats a stand though like the N810's thats def stolen21:28
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coldbootfiferboy: Can you tell me the output of `ls ${maemo-dir}/lib | wc -l`, assuming you're filling in the maemo-dir?21:35
fiferboycoldboot: I only compile up to libQtGui and then abort it, so I won't have all the necessary libraries21:36
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coldbootah ok21:45
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coldbootOkay I do a full build of qt-maemo 4.5.0, which is svn revision 546, a completely clean, uninterrupted `dpkg-buildpackage -b`, single-threaded, and the stupid thing says this every single time, when building in sb2 for i386:21:46
coldbootdh_install -pqt4-demos --sourcedir=debian/tmp --exclude=.debug21:46
coldbootcp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/bin/qtdemo': No such file or directory21:46
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Khertan_2i'm back21:51
Khertan_2it s raining ... again ...21:51
Khertan_2and now storm21:52
Khertan_2pfff21:52
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fiferboycoldboot: Can you try building without the demos?22:01
coldbootI appended `-make libs -make tools -make qmake` to debian.rules, so I'm trying without those.22:02
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fiferboycoldboot: How long does it take you to get past the webkit build?22:04
coldbootfiferboy: No idea.22:04
fiferboycoldboot: But it is getting past it?  You have QtWebKit libs in your /lib dir?22:05
coldbootYep, it made those.22:05
fiferboyMine never make it past that, so I don't know about qtdemo problems :)22:06
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esaym153ugh, nokia cancled my n810 order22:36
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VDVsxesaym153, why? they don't have more units ? :P22:43
esaym153didn't say22:43
woglindethey want you to bye the new one22:44
woglindehaha22:44
woglindebuy22:44
esaym153not sure if I should try a different retailer or what22:44
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woglindeesaym153 do you really need it now?22:45
VDVsxesaym153, amazon ?22:45
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woglindeI would wait for the new one22:45
esaym153amazone = $40022:45
woglindethats to much22:46
esaym153woglinde: not spending over $20022:46
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VDVsxesaym153, http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N-810-Internet-Tablet/dp/B001CX5UAO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1248378363&sr=8-322:46
VDVsxahaha great deal: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CZJIIM/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&qid=1248378363&sr=8-4&condition=used22:47
esaym153I love amazon22:47
coldboothahaha22:48
VDVsx$1,549.99 for a used n810 We, OMG22:48
coldbootDid you use froogle.google.com?22:49
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lbtis there a reason ntp shouldn't be used on the tablets?22:50
woglindelbt not that I know22:51
lbtTa... ISTR ....  something...  but can't put my finger on it22:51
fiferboylbt: I had a problem when I installed one of the ntp packages a while ago, but I don't remember what22:51
fiferboyI think it didn't want to uninstall...22:52
lbtI was more thinking about HW clock updates...22:52
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fiferboyI don't remember any issue with the clock updates, but there was some problem.  I could be wrong.22:52
fiferboyThere is more than one ntp package, right?22:53
lbtyes22:53
lbtntp and ntpdate22:53
lbt(typically)22:53
fiferboylbt: I have overshoot working in all cases (that I could think to test) and seems to be quite good22:54
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fiferboyIt might be my imagination, but something seems smoother about it22:54
lbtheh ... I am about to install the older version on Mer22:55
fiferboyDo you want to test my changes before I submit a merge request?22:56
fiferboyThere might be something I have missed22:56
lbtI should but I can't atm :(22:56
fiferboylbt: Still on the OBS fixes?22:57
lbtyes22:57
fiferboyThe merge request can wait22:58
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fiferboyI'm hoping I can get webkit to build if I turn off the debug, if I can I will try to get finger scrolling in webframes22:59
VDVsxoh oh, seems that the HTC hero is only 'show off' again : http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/23:00
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