IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-07-22

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coldbootlbt: Here:
coldbootSearch for clearHIMProxyIfHidden00:05
lbtjohan said something in #gitorious too00:05
coldbootYeah I noticed, I'll try it in a sec when I fix this.00:06
coldbootOh man this has been a while.00:06
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coldbootlbt: I don't think qwidget.cpp can include anything from src/gui ...00:22
lbtOK, I think the pattern here is to make clearHIMProxyIfHidden a socket00:24
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coldbootA socket?00:24
coldbootah ok00:25
lbterr, although...00:25
lbtwhy isn't it keywidget->clearHIMProxyIfHidden(event)   ?00:25
coldbootThat would make sense.00:26
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coldbootHowever I'm still having problems including src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputmethodprotocol.h in qwidget.cpp.00:28
lbtsee how it was done in the scrolling...00:29
coldbootfiferboy's fingerscrolling branch?00:29
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coldbootHow do I pull mer-fingerscroll?00:35
coldbootI tried `git pull mer-fingerscroll` and `git fetch mer-fingerscroll`, but they don't show up in my branches.00:36
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ShadowJKjhford, the middle pin is just a resistor used for signaling battery capacity00:37
jhfordShadowJK: thanks00:37
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ShadowJKDon't parallell your powersupply with a battery if it turns out the powersupply doesn't supply clean enough power... use a capacitor00:43
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lbtyou should have it in origin already00:50
lbtgit checkout --track origin/mer-fingerscroll00:50
lbtgit remote -v00:51
lbtI do git remote rename origin Qt00:51
lbtand similarly with your personal remote repo00:51
lbtthat way you can pull from either one00:51
coldbootThe git checkout line doesn't work.00:53
coldbootGot it00:53
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lbtgitk --all is your friend00:54
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coldbootlbt: I have to edit the build system to put it in QWidget::, there's no -I src/gui/* at all when compiling qwidget.cpp...01:01
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coldbootI didn't see anything in fingerscroll.01:03
lcuk  /me wiggles his pinky01:03
coldbootAndrew pushed a lot of commits to qt-diablo...01:06
lbtThe problem is jus the #include "inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_p.h"01:07
lbtwhy do you need that line?01:09
coldbootBecause I do a reinterpret_cast of HildonIMActivateMessage01:10
coldbootAnd use HILDON_IM_HIDE01:11
lbtnot in qapplication_x11.cpp you don't01:11
coldbootIn qwidget.cpp I do, that's where I'm defining this function that does the cast.01:11
lbtOK, I'm looking at old src then01:12
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lbthave you tried #include private/qhildon...01:14
lbtwhich includes .... include/QtGui/private/qhildoninputcontext_p.h   which contains : #include "../../../src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_p.h"01:16
lbtwhich should work01:16
lbtAFAIK that's autogenerated01:16
lbtwell. complex :)01:17
lbtthe whole 'private' thing is ... interesting01:17
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coldbootlbt: It's been pushed and the merge request updated.01:44
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coldbootSo the `#include "private/qhildon..." works in 4.5.2, but not
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seaLnehi i was trying to follow the instructions on but osso-af-sb-startup dosen't seem installable due to dependancies on hildon-initscripts which depends on theme-config which claims to be uninstallable am i missing something?02:05
seaLneso i can't start the sdk ui02:07
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seaLneah for some reason the non-free apt line had disaperared? weird but sorted anyway02:14
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* b-man16 is still waiting for his tablet to arrive in the mail :P05:11
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b-man16~seen xnt1405:37
infobotxnt14 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 29m 11s ago, saying: 'home'.05:37
b-man16hmmm :(05:37
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r2d2rogersit should be able to get to first boot wizard before it needs the swap file, even on a 77005:51
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tom-davidsonhello pavlov and stskeeps thanks for your help yesterday with flashing my n810. took the usb hub out of the equation and it worked.06:38
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tom-davidsonhi, does anyone know if maemo can use a swap partitino rather than a virtual mem file?07:07
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Luke-Jrtom-davidson: the difference being?07:09
tom-davidsonwhen i boot mer or my experimental maemo it would use the same space ... the same space being the interanl memory and not the internal or exteral flash07:09
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sarowerGood morning all07:37
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sarowerfor desktop widget (home screen applet) what is the mechanism to handle the drag (stylus motion) event. If i drag in the applet, system handles the drag event. How i can get the drag event from my applet07:39
sarowerany body any help or any idea?07:39
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sarowerX-Fade: Please help me!08:17
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hal9k2010hello all09:16
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hal9k2010have some questions about the n800 and n810 anyone that can help ?09:17
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ShadowJKtom-davidson, you can't use the internal nand memory as flash09:18
ShadowJKas swap, I mean09:18
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johnxwell, you probably could, but anyone who wants to can figure it out on their own and do it at their own peril09:21
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tom-davidsonshadowjk: ok i understand better now that my swap should be on my external card. i missunderstood the internal raw nand... thought it didnt wear. BUT with swap on my external SD.,.. how do i get maemo to use it?09:47
ShadowJKI do: swapon /media/mmc1/.swap09:48
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johnxa symlink, maybe? or just edit the boot script09:49
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tom-davidsonshadowjk: johnx: thanks. i think the swapon was just want i wanted.10:29
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yergaqwerty12_N810, have you seen this?
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qwerty12_N810yerga: hehe, I hadn't, thanks :)12:24
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L0cutusdoes exist a zfs-fuse port to maemo ?12:42
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Andy80hi all13:07
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X-FadeJaffa: ping?14:56
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JaffaX-Fade: pong, but just going to grab lunch. Will repong in a bit...15:06
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hendryi need to automate armel builds15:33
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hendryso how do people do that generally? pbuilder? script /scratchbox/login15:33
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lbthendry: in general? or for maemo specifically15:35
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hendrywell say you have a debian packaged product, and you want to target maemo as well as Debianx8615:37
hendryright now, i checkout source. remove debconf stuff. login to scratchbox, dpkg-buildpackage, log out and dput15:38
lbthendry: I ask because Mer uses an autobuilder called OBS15:38
hendryit's quite manual.15:38
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lbtI think you need to think about basing on orig.tar.gz15:39
lbtand providing debian.diff.gz and debian-maemo.diff.gz15:40
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lbtmaemo has lots of scratchboxisms15:40
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RST38hin other words, it's all scratchy15:42
lbtand much of Mer packaging is about removing these15:42
lbtheh - it sure is15:43
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Andy80X-Fade, cool news :)15:50
Andy80X-Fade, I'm registering ;)15:50
X-FadeAndy80: Hurry, only 293 places left ;)15:51
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Andy80X-Fade, lol :D15:52
Andy80X-Fade, I think the hardest part is "Reason for requesting Nokia sponsorship" ;)15:53
lbtX-Fade:  Primary community project  and  Project ? Should that be "Other community projects" ?15:54
RST38hAndy80: That's easy - "NO MONEY"15:54
Andy80X-Fade, there's a little error in wiki page, it's still present "Not yet, but for you to know:" right after "Registration", can I remove it?15:55
X-FadeAndy80: Sure. It is a wiki ;)15:55
Andy80RST38h, and it's true, at least for me. I'm a student :(15:56
X-Fadelbt: Indeed. Will fix that.15:56
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Andy80X-Fade, it doesn't let me go again to that page.... don't know why... it's better if you try to fix it16:00
X-FadeAndy80: Ah, I know where. I'll fix that.16:01
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Andy80X-Fade, the link that appears in the registration form (in my case: ) is personal/related to session-id, or is public?16:04
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X-FadeAndy80: That is the public url.16:05
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Andy80blogged too ;)16:12
VDVsxX-Fade, karma changes ?16:12
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GAN800I hate this phone.16:19
X-Fadelbt: Description changed and added second column to the participants list.16:19
RST38h<he wants his Moto RAZR>16:19
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GAN800Because it doesn't work correctly, and Nokia is a pretty shitty manufacturer.16:20
thuxwhat model it is?16:20
RST38hGAN: It is one of better Nokia phones, ironically :)16:21
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lbthmmm the 2nd time I go to the form it says "Login" and just returns to that page16:21
thuxi have old n85 and it works reasonable well16:22
X-Fadethux: N85 is not that old?16:22
thuxbut not as new as 580016:23
VDVsxRST38h, best nokia phone = n95 :P16:23
RST38hVDV: It's a brick.16:23
RST38hE70 forever =)16:23
VDVsxRST38h, nah nah16:23
RST38hAlthough it is also a brick.16:23
qwerty12_N810RST38h: for the true brick experience: E9016:24
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RST38hqwerty: looks like a concealed gun when in the pocket16:24
RST38hqwerty: scary thing16:24
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RST38hSeriously though, if Nokia does not deliver its maemophone soon enough, I will have to start shopping for a new phone =(16:25
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VDVsxRST38h, you need a iphone :P16:27
RST38hVDV: fuck that.16:27
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JaffaX-Fade: I can't get back in to my registration16:29
VDVsxRST38h, not kidding now, samsung has/will have some interesting devices o_016:29
X-FadeJaffa: Hmm might be a rights setting. Let me see.16:29
JaffaX-Fade: despite being logged in on both http & https, it takes tme to a login page and doesn't let me get past it (no error)16:30
RST38hVDV: Not programmable16:30
X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, that sounds like a permission issue.16:30
lcukJaffa, you are registered16:30
dieb_How to port c++ libraries to maemo? Which tools should be used? Specifically, does anyone know whether if libQxt is being ported?16:30
lcuklisted here16:30
VDVsxRST38h, you can do some hacking for s60 and android :)16:30
lcukit did the same with me16:30
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X-Fadelcuk: yeah, but you should be allowed to change things.16:31
RST38hVDV: They do have a few S60 devices but I have heard some nasty rumors about compatibility with mainline S60 apps16:31
RST38hdieb: Could you elaborate16:31
RST38hdieb; What exactly do you want to do?16:31
VDVsxRST38h, ah right, nokia S60 != samsung s60, really a shame :(16:32
hendryhow do people script /scratchbox/login? I want to : /scratchbox/login; cd code; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -B16:32
RST38hit is more like ~=16:32
Jaffalcuk: I know. I wanted to change my "other community projects" ;-)16:32
RST38hStuff runs but behaves weirdly16:32
GAN800The login form is still broken to the point of uselessness in MicroB.16:33
JaffaGAN800: The login infrastructure's pretty broken everywhere, IME ;-)16:33
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GAN800Needs to do away with the js or something.16:35
GAN800It just plain doesn't work.16:36
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dieb_lbt: does it include Qxt?16:37
X-FadeJaffa: Better now?16:37
lbtqxt isn't specifically supported but should be easy to port and we'd like to add it to the gitorious repo16:37
dieb_Qxt is not Qt16:37
lbtno it layers on it16:38
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lbtyou'd need to get it working with the qt-maemo team16:38
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lbtthat includes getting qxt people helping to package it16:38
X-FadeGAN800: Works for me on microb?16:38
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lbtshould be fairly easy16:39
GAN800X-Fade, N80016:39
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X-FadeGAN800: What does it do for you?16:39
X-FadeGAN800: Focus issues?16:39
dieb_lbt: is there anyone working on this already?16:39
GAN800Probably not clearing the field properly or something stupid.16:40
JaffaX-Fade: No.16:40
lbtnot qxt AFAIK - a few of us work on Qt16:40
JaffaX-Fade: Still broken.16:40
GAN800Had to change my input settings to make it work.16:40
* GAN800 wonders what he should put for projects.16:40
dieb_lbt: as I'll need Qxt on maemo, I'll probably give it a try porting it16:41
dieb_could you point me to any document related to ports ?16:41
* RST38h does not quite understand what dieb wants16:42
RST38hdieb: You just want to compile Qxt on Maemo?16:42
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dieb_RST38h: yes16:48
X-FadeGAN800: Worked fine on my N800 with vkb?16:48
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GAN800X-Fade, try finger keyboard.16:51
GAN800Which is the only keyboard enabled on my tablet.16:51
X-FadeGAN800: Ok.16:51
X-FadeGAN800: Worked fine.16:53
GAN800Well, doesn't work here.16:53
X-FadeGAN800: click in username, finger keyboard username, pressed minimize, click password, finger keyboard password, minimize, click go?16:54
X-FadeThat worked for me.16:54
GAN800Also: tapping a field after information has been entered doesn't bring up that info in the fkb.16:54
X-FadeGAN800: That is a browser/fkb bug then?16:55
X-FadeGAN800: Nothing happens to these fields with javascript?16:56
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X-FadeJaffa: can you try again?16:59
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lcukX-Fade, i just retried, and it indeed allows editing some fields.  but the one jaffa mentioned (his projects) is still appearing to come from the default profile and unchangable17:25
X-Fadelcuk: Yeah, those you need to change in your own profile.17:25
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lcukso for jaffa's sake, if he changes them in his default profile, and then comes here to edit his application it should pick them up?17:26
X-Fadelcuk: It would show in the list already when you edit your profile.17:26
lcukhows your wii arm17:27
X-FadeHehe, pretty well ;)17:27
lcukand are we planning on having one at the summit!17:27
lcukor should we make our own :D17:27
X-Fadelcuk: Image a wrist-strap attached to a N900 ;)17:28
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lcukoooh, you mean theres a lanyard attachment?17:29
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X-FadeNo idea, but if you would make the N900 a wiimote it would be a good idea to have one at least ;)17:29
lcukwe should have these on the canals17:31
woglindelcuk haha17:33
woglindelooks the same as the land's one17:33
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X-Fadelcuk: Yeah, those are cool!17:36
lcukindeed they are :D17:37
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lcukwhat do you think is the biggest practical database in maemo (the one with big recordsets) ?17:37
* lcuk needs some comparisons17:37
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LinuxCodeso we finally have got a name for the new Nxxx ?17:39
* LinuxCode is still waiting very patiently for news17:41
lcuk :)17:41
* GAN800 is very, very tired.17:41
lcukLinuxCode, you need to sit up straight17:41
LinuxCodei cant17:42
lcukcant have you slouching or nokia wont think you are ready17:42
LinuxCodemy cat is occupying the office chair17:42
lcukyour cat will make a very nice comfortable cushion then17:42
LinuxCodei disagree17:42
lcukit will quickly move :)17:42
LinuxCodedont bet on it17:43
lcukor will rip your ass to shreds17:43
LinuxCodeits claws and teeth will move17:43
lcukone way or the other, you will know17:43
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LinuxCodemaybe I should send nokia my cat17:44
LinuxCodemaybe that would speed things up17:44
lcukdont bet upon it.  once the nokians get word theres some pussy skulking around, you really think they will do any work?17:45
LinuxCodeprobably not17:47
lcukthis looks like the back of my pooter17:47
LinuxCodemine is all tidy17:47
LinuxCodebought some radaitor pipe covering stuff and screwed that under the desk17:48
lcuki used to lay everything down nice and neat17:48
LinuxCodenow all cables lay within that17:48
lcukheh, thats all well and good until you need to change one wire17:48
LinuxCodetheres plenty of space17:48
LinuxCodeeasy to thread17:48
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Talus_Laptopmaemo videos18:01
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lcukdoes anyone have any experience with bloom filters18:09
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fiferboyHi lbt18:53
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woglindehi fiferboy19:01
fiferboywoglinde: Hi19:01
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JaffaX-Fade: perfect19:29
JaffaX-Fade: but I can't change my "other projects" anyway, ho hum.19:30
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wazdwee, 931 Gb of free space :P19:56
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slonopotamuswazd, oh noes! you purged all porn?19:57
* Luke-Jr beats slonopotamus19:58
wazdslonopotamus: I bought new HDD to get MORE!19:58
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RST38hehlo all19:59
wazdRST38h: heya20:00
RST38hwazd: how are things? =)20:00
wazdRST38h: just got new terabyte HDD :) Now my nightmare bout "where to store all those goddamn RAW photos" is finally over :)20:01
RST38hwell, it is a bit delayed now :)20:01
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wazdRST38h: I hope to buy BD-R asap :)20:02
wazdRST38h: as soon as they'll stop having such a ridiculous price20:03
wazdRST38h: but first I need proper display cause my current starting to say "I'm dying, kill me!" :)20:03
RST38hwazd: Optical disks are said to have short lives20:04
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RST38hwazd: Apple display? =)20:05
wazdRST38h: I can still run Carmageddon from CD so I think it's more marketing bullshit than something serious20:05
RST38hwazd: It's not.20:06
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wazdRST38h: well, this CD is right from 1997 or something :)20:06
RST38hwazd: I tried reading a few 3-year-old backup CDRs once, and got very mixed results (and yes, I used the tool that detects crc errors too)20:06
RST38hwazd: Is it a pressed CD or a CDR?20:06
wazdRST38h: pirate cd :)20:07
RST38hwazd: Those also come in two varieties20:07
RST38hBack in 1997 they were USUALLY pressed though20:07
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wazdRST38h: I want something like this:
lcukwazd, the nightmare is never over.  when you think you solved the problem with a bigger harddrive, you actually made it worse because its impractical to do offline backup20:10
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wazdRST38h: pretty expensive but a very good one20:11
wazdlcuk: RAW photos are *really* big :)20:11
coldbootfiferboy: Hey Andrew, are you around?20:11
lcukand your tears will be even greater when you lose more data20:11
wazdlcuk: don't think that anyone will allow me to store that much somewhere in the net20:12
lcuki know they are massive, i have similar situation with my own data20:12
lcuktheoretically wazd, you can push quite insane amounts of data at the net20:12
lcukand have a good chance of getting some back20:13
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RST38hwazd: There is also a similarly specced Samsung20:14
RST38hwazd: May come cheaper20:14
wazdRST38h: everyone says that this HP is a true must-have :)20:15
wazdRST38h: I haven't read any negative opinion bout it. I mean any :)20:15
RST38hwazd: There is something suspicious about it20:16
RST38hwazd: A 24" monitor can't cost $1000+, even here20:16
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wazdRST38h: If it was benq or something - I would agree with you :)20:16
RST38hwazd: Any monitor20:16
RST38hwazd: A moment, lemme check around20:16
wazdRST38h: It's a dreamcolor series, 102% NTSC :)20:16
lbthi fiferboy20:17
RST38hwazd: Still.20:17
fiferboycoldboot, lbt hey20:17
wazdRST38h: it doesn't cost 1000+ btw, it costs near 100020:17
fiferboyhi wazd20:17
RST38hwazd: Ok, Froogle shows it starting at $435 in the US, with average price about $55020:17
coldbootfiferboy: So I managed to build the 4.5.2 of the fix, without segfaults.20:17
coldbootfiferboy: I can't build 4.5.0 because of some stupid include path problem.20:18
wazdfiferboy: heya!20:18
RST38hwazd: rur33000 is >$1000 right now20:18
wazdRST38h: that's TN20:18
fiferboycoldboot: I am just testing your latest fix now.20:18
RST38hwazd: I am just searching for LP2475W20:18
wazdRST38h: check out price.ru20:18
RST38hwazd: Should I add something else to the id?20:18
RST38hwazd: checking20:18
wazdRST38h: 29058 р. ($985.02)20:18
fiferboylbt: I have done a major refactoring on how overshoot is calculated20:19
fiferboycoldboot: I still don't get the keyboard pop down...20:19
wazdRST38h: Non-TN 24" screen can't cost less than 800 bucks20:19
coldbootfiferboy: hmmmm20:19
RST38hwazd: It is about twice more expensive than in US20:19
RST38hwazd: Unless I am missing some letter in the product id20:20
wazdRST38h: yep, that's HP20:20
fiferboycoldboot: Clicking a line edit pops it up, but clicking a checkbox or drop down doesn't get rid of it20:20
wazdRST38h: it's like Apple in PC world20:20
RST38hwazd: HP is the brand name :)20:20
lcukwazd, that looks like an impressive monitor20:20
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fiferboycoldboot: Actually, a non-editable drop down does pop it down, my mistake20:21
lbtso I see20:21
fiferboycoldboot: For some reason a check box does not.  And after clicking the checkbox, key presses get sent to the line edit20:21
wazdRST38h: I bought my HP mini 2133 in US for about 550 bucks and it still costs more in here20:22
RST38hwazd: but twice more? hmmm20:22
fiferboylbt: It makes things simpler in most cases, but it is (at least the way I did it) more complicated during AutoScroll20:22
RST38hwazd: Ok, I have got some "secret" info: this monitor uses an IPS LCD panel from LG20:22
lbtOne area I'm unhappy about is the x/y seperation/code replication20:23
lcuk :)20:23
fiferboylbt: Where is that?20:23
RST38hwazd: Let us see if there is an LG display with the same part ;)20:23
lbtif (yScrollState == AutoScroll) ......   if (xScrollState == AutoScroll)20:23
fiferboylbt: Oh, you mean in general in the event filer20:23
wazdRST38h: oh, not LG for god sake :)20:23
lbtnot in your work20:23
fiferboylbt: Yes, there should be a way around that...20:24
lbtyes, in general20:24
fiferboylbt: I'm trying to figure out a way to make the AutoScroll overshoot more straight forward20:25
wazdlcuk: yep, that baby is goddamn beast :)20:25
lcukthe video review shows it nicely20:25
fiferboyThere are three cases, just plain autoscroll through the body of the list, autoscroll through the body with overshoot at the end, and a list starting out in overshoot (from ManualScroll) and scrolling through the list20:26
RST38hwazd: Monitors are commodity nowadays. As long as they both use the same panel you will hardly see the difference20:26
coldbootHow can I include qhildoninputmethodprotocol_p.h from qwidget.cpp in 4.5.0? It works fine in 4.5.2, because it's in private/, but 4.5.0 doesn't generate it the same way...20:26
lcukRST38h, but the package there seems neat too :) i have an lg here and have no complains, but that monitor rox20:26
fiferboyActually, there is a fourth corner case where the list starts out in overshoot and tries to AutoScroll past the limit, but that is easy to take care of20:26
* lcuk stands with wazd on this debate20:26
coldbootfiferboy: Ah, so the hide command isn't being sent.20:26
coldbootfiferboy: If you click on the drop down, the keyboard hides, does it still send keys to the LineEdit?20:27
RST38hlcuk: ah my point is that this HP uses an LG panel20:27
wazdRST38h: Maybe I'm just a snob but I'll better trust that much money to HP :)20:27
RST38hlcuk: So why not cut a corner and buy directly from Koreans :)20:27
coldbootfiferboy: Even though, you said if you click a checkbox, the keyboard does NOT go away, AND keys still got to the LineEdit.20:27
fiferboycoldboot: I can't check, the keyboard is hidden ;)20:27
coldbootfiferboy: Oh yeah.20:27
RST38hwazd: I do not really trust the "new" HP though...20:27
coldbootfiferboy: Well that's not really a problem then.20:27
coldbootfiferboy: Because when the keyboard is shown, the proxy gets set.20:27
fiferboycoldboot: I think it is not a problem with your code if it hides for one widget but not another20:28
wazdRST38h: My mini is absolutely solid :)20:28
RST38hwazd: Same shit as DELL, as far as I am concerned... Still respect their old lab equipment and calcs20:28
RST38hwazd: Yea, Mini is nice =)20:28
coldbootfiferboy: They keyboard shouldn't go away when checking a checkbox, probably.20:28
fiferboycoldboot: Yes, and when it doesn't hide it stays on the first widget20:28
lcukRST38h, sometimes cutting corners isnt what is needed :)20:28
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fiferboycoldboot: Could you check un an unpatched Qt install?20:28
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coldbootfiferboy: I bet that behaviour is intentional. "Doo dee doo, I'm typing in a text box, oh let me check that box over there, now I'll type some more".20:28
fiferboycoldboot: Could we be20:28
coldbootfiferboy: I can check20:29
infobotfiferboy meant: coldboot: Could well be20:29
wazdlcuk: damn, video review is like porno for me :(20:29
coldbootfiferboy: Shopper?20:29
fiferboycoldboot: I'm not sure if there are check boxes near input fields, I am using my own program to test20:29
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coldbootlcuk: Do you know how I could include qhildoninputmethodprotocol_p.h from qwidget.cpp? I include "private/qhildoninputmethodprotocol_p.h" which is a generated location in maemo 4.5.2, but in 4.5.0 it's not being copied there...20:30
wazdRST38h: lcuk: right now I have
coldbootfiferboy: I bet it's in the original behaviour. There's no reason my code would cause the bug in this checkbox situation, and not for other widgets.20:30
lcukcoldboot, i know no specifics about qt20:31
wazdOne of the best TN screens out there20:31
coldbootfiferboy: I bet checkboxes never get focus, because they don't do anything after you click them.20:31
fiferboycoldboot: Next time I make a build I will take out your code and see how it acts20:31
coldbootlcuk: k20:31
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lbtcheckboxes do get focus20:33
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RST38hwazd: Found similar LG monitor for rur2743420:34
lbtyou can use arrow/tab keystrokes to move focus and space to select20:34
wazdRST38h: I'd better add 1500 and buy HP :)20:34
wazdRST38h: seriously :)20:34
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RST38hwazd: incredible brand loyalty =)20:35
wazdRST38h: maybe :)20:35
wazdRST38h: can you give me the link to LG?20:35
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wazdRST38h: #  TFT Technology   MVA20:37
RST38hwazd: Other sites say IPS20:38
wazdRST38h: they are damn slow20:38
RST38hOk, I have found something better:
wazdRST38h: even S-IPS are slow20:38
RST38hSimply search for the panel name20:38
wazdRST38h: HP has H-IPS - latest stuff20:38
RST38hwazd: So does Phillips apparently20:38
wazdRST38h: 24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU4)20:39
wazdRST38h: looks like phil is not available in here20:40
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wazdRST38h: and it's ugly :D20:40
RST38hwazd: Yep. knows nothing of it20:41
RST38hHP does look like the only game n town, this would explain the price20:41
wazdRST38h: HP knows that Pro-display shouldn't have any lights and bling-bling on the front :)20:41
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RST38hwazd: I am sure it is simply a mistake on their part :)20:43
RST38hwazd: Forgot to include the Blue LED (tm)20:43
RST38hwazd: My BBK has got such a huge Blue LED (tm) that it can be used for reading at night20:43
wazdRST38h: BBK, eeeek :)20:44
RST38hwazd: it's a dvd player/recorder, not a monitor :)20:44
RST38hwazd: can't really fault them for their av stuff, it is semidecent20:45
wazdRST38h: crappy "look at yourself, bitch!" apple cinema 24 costs fricking $130020:45
wazdRST38h: oh, I have BORG with same huge blue led stuff :)20:46
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wazdRST38h: won it in karaoke contest :D20:46
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RST38hwazd: Ah, fashion!20:47
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wazdRST38h: nec 2490 on the left, HP on the right20:50
wazdRST38h: but Nec is insane expensive and slow :(20:51
wazdRST38h: it's like 40000 rur or something20:51
RST38hwazd: This is the same panel? I can't believe it...20:54
RST38hThat must be some camera effect...20:54
wazdRST38h: no, nec is MVA if I remember correct20:55
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RST38hah ok20:57
RST38hwazd: So, MVA has got better blacks at the cost of speed? Or the viewing angle?20:58
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wazdRST38h: they are damn slow20:58
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RST38hwazd: have you considered monitors with led backlight?21:03
wazdRST38h: I'm considering any monitor with good picture and affordable price :)21:04
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RST38hAh so LED ones are even more expensive...21:06
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coldbootfiferboy: I seem to have forgotten how to build qt-maemo 4.5.2, the debian directory is missing in branch qt-diablo...21:09
fiferboycoldboot: From your git clone you checked out origin/4.5 and then from there checked out origin/qt-diablo?21:10
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah21:10
fiferboycoldboot: git branch says you are in the qt-diablo branch?21:10
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah.21:10
fiferboyWhat is the last commit message in git log?21:10
coldbootfiferboy: I merged qt-diablo with him-proxy, though.21:10
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fiferboycoldboot: In the qt-diablo branch you did 'git merge him-proxy'?21:11
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah, I did that.21:11
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coldbootfiferboy: Last message that's not mine: Crash fix. Qt apps crash when backspace is pressed and autocapitalization is active21:11
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fiferboycoldboot: In my qt-diablo branch, the last message that is not mine is "Update debian/changelog..."21:12
fiferboycoldboot: When did you do your clone?21:12
coldbootfiferboy: A couple of weeks ago, it used to have debian in there... Because I did dpkg-buildpackage two days ago...21:13
fiferboycoldboot: From 4.5 branch, try wiping out your qt-diablo branch and checking it out again21:13
fiferboycoldboot: You might want to refresh your clone first, there are some speed improvements in 4.5.2-1maemo221:14
coldbootfiferboy: How do I do that?21:14
fiferboycoldboot: 'git checkout master', 'git pull', 'git checkout 4.5', 'git branch -D qt-diablo', 'git checkout -b qt-diablo origin/qt-diablo'21:15
fiferboyI think21:15
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fiferboyThen you can do your merge21:15
fiferboycoldboot: Although, would that update purely from your clone, or update your clone from qt-maemo?21:15
coldbootfiferboy: That will come from my clone directly.21:16
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coldbootfiferboy: It's tracking qt-diablo, but it's still missing debian/21:16
fiferboycoldboot: I'm not exactly sure how you would update your clone from qt-maemo...21:16
fiferboycoldboot: Even if you switch to your 4.5 branch, delete the qt-diablo branch and re-check it out?21:17
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah21:17
coldbootI think I messed up qt-diablo with some push21:17
fiferboycoldboot: That is strange.  Maybe you modified your qt-diablo branch locally and pushed it to your clone?21:18
fiferboycoldboot: I know I have done that, my qt-diablo branch is a bit screwed up now21:18
fiferboycoldboot: I only do 'git push origin HEAD' from the branch I want to update now21:20
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coldbootI need to make qt-diablo track qt-maemo/qt-diablo somehow.21:21
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fiferboycoldboot: You can add the qt-maemo repository as a remote and make a branch from that21:21
fiferboycoldboot: Then you should be able to push the corrected branch to your clone21:22
esaym153I want my backordered n810 from nokia right now21:22
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coldbootfiferboy: I added qt-maemo as a remote, but I can't find qt-diablo with `git ls-remote qt-maemo`21:26
* mgedmin registers for the maemo summit21:26
fiferboycoldboot: Did you do a fetch?21:26
* fiferboy thinks about registering for the maemo summit21:26
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* jeremiah Hmm. Didn't know summit regustration was open.21:26
jeremiahHow about a URL mgedmin?21:27
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coldbootfiferboy: I got it! Yeah I had to fetch.21:27
mgedminwhat a SCARY link21:27
mgedmindoes an event like the "maemo-summit-2009" *really* need a long, hexadecimal UUID?21:28
Stskeepsyes, it's technical hardcore!21:28
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fiferboyIt's to scare off people who aren't serious21:28
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mgedminnow I'm wondering if that's maybe a permalink to my personal details page :)21:29
RST38hmgedmin: Yes!21:29
esaym153amsterdam? pot smokers can program?21:29
RST38hAnd you should be thankful they only used hex digits...21:29
adeusif you're doing c or c++, pot is the minimum21:31
esaym153I like c++21:31
fiferboycoldboot: Let me know if you are able to clean up your qt-diablo branch in your clone21:31
esaym153as long as math isn't involved21:31
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chxmgedmin: thats not an UUID21:32
fiferboycoldboot: checkbox doesn't clear the vkb in the old him code either21:32
chxmgedmin: to my eyes that looks like an md5 sum but i might be mistaken21:32
chxmgedmin: i have not counted the digits21:32
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mgedmin144 bits21:33
mgedminto distinguish it from all the 2**144 other events taking place in the maemo community21:33
mgedminwe would't want to accidentally mix it up with e840196271eb11bed15535a00f6d72187218, now would we?21:33
RST38hwe wouldn't?21:34
lcukare you sure? that one involves pole dancing21:34
mgedminpolish national dances don't interest me in the least21:35
mgedminone polka is just like another21:35
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lbtgit checkout --track origin/qt-diablo21:39
lbtnm ... I was backscrolled a long way21:39
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coldbootfiferboy: qt-diablo is clean in my clone now.21:43
Jaffamgedmin: Taking all the best undecipherable UUIDs from Lotus Notes into the Web 2.0 world...21:43
coldbootfiferboy: Okay then the checkbox bug is unrelated, if it really is a bug.21:43
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fiferboycoldboot: That's good to know, I'm going to clean up my branch too21:44
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jeremiahWow, cool. Jim Zemlin will be talking at the Maemo summit.21:55
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jeremiahLook forward to that.21:55
fiferboycoldboot: Did you just do a 'git push origin HEAD' or did you have to force it?21:57
coldbootcoldboot: I did `git push origin qt-diablo --force`21:59
fiferboycoldboot: I just refreshed my clone's branch from your clone's branch (since I already had it as a remote) :)22:00
slonopotamuswhy would anyone want to do --force?22:00
fiferboyslonopotamus: because we accidentally commited changes to the branch and wanted to revert it22:00
slonopotamuscommit reverse diffs?22:01
lbtgit doesn't force you to air dirty laundry22:01
fiferboyslonopotamus: It is in personal clones that aren't being used by other people22:01
slonopotamusif anyone pulled that between your 'wrong' commit and --force, he'll be in trouble22:01
coldbootfiferboy: Cool22:01
coldbootfiferboy: I love git. Every day I find out how much more I love it.22:02
slonopotamusfiferboy, oh, ok22:02
coldbootfiferboy: With all other software, I hate it more every day.22:02
coldbootfiferboy: I even hate Windows more each day, because I realize how it can surprise me with undiscovered uselessness.22:02
fiferboycoldboot: git is certainly making my life easier, it is hard to beleive how useful it is22:02
fiferboycoldboot: Those are undocumented features...22:02
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fiferboyEverytime I think I need git to do something it doesn't, it turns out it does I just didn't know it22:04
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dougt_are there APIs to get the HW version?22:28
Stskeepsexcept for /proc/component_version? :P22:28
dougt_anything cleaner?22:28
JaffaThat's pretty clean22:29
JaffaHorizon checks /etc/maemo_version at startup for a 5.0 to disable its OSSO support (segfaults in PyMaemo)22:29
slonopotamusdougt_, why you want that?22:30
dougt_what I would really like to do is to determine the real DPI.22:31
dougt_not the stuff reported to x22:31
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slonopotamusdougt_, you should ask display for that, no?22:31
slonopotamusx gets smth wrong?22:32
dougt_xdpyinfo reports 9622:32
slonopotamusdougt_, under Xomap?22:33
dougt_on device, y22:33
dougt_is it suppose to report something else? ;-)22:33
dougt_i thought it was common for X to lie about DPI22:33
slonopotamusdougt_, afaik, it's X who lies.22:33
slonopotamusdougt_, X was patched to report incorrect value on purpose22:34
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dougt_so, what I need is to get at the real dpi value.22:35
dougt_i was thinking about just looking at the hw version, and deciding based on that.  i didn't find a way to get the actual dpi via an api or something like that22:35
slonopotamusdougt_, there must be smth low-level that tells X screen dpi22:36
slonopotamusdougt_, if you just want to hardcode it -  /proc/component_version is absolutely ok22:36
dougt_but not something I would be very proud of.22:37
slonopotamusdougt_, i think you'd better ask that on X-related channel. 'how X determines screen dpi' or smth like that22:38
qwerty12_N810dougt_: if it'd make you feel any better: the hildon-application-manager does it like that (look at component_version)22:38
slonopotamusdougt_, that means 'you app will suck as h-a-m' :D22:39
slonopotamusno offence, just kidding :)22:39
dougt_a bunch of people do that.22:40
dougt_haf does too?22:40
* slonopotamus doesn't understand why dpi matters, actually22:41
lbtdpi usually comes from ... <rummage in Xorg.log> ....EDID22:41
dougt_slonopotamus: computers don't matter either. ;-)22:41
ShadowJKugh, wonderful... dd if=/dev/sdh | sha1sum22:42
ShadowJKtwice... doesn't match22:42
slonopotamusShadowJK, oh my22:42
slonopotamusShadowJK, why it should?22:42
ShadowJKBecause the contents is unchanged22:42
slonopotamusShadowJK, how do you know that?22:42
ShadowJKit's not mounted, nothing should be touching it22:43
ShadowJKespecially not writing to it22:43
slonopotamusthen you're in trouble22:43
* ShadowJK wonders whether to blame the usb hub, the card reader, the minisd-sd converter or the minisd card22:43
slonopotamustry replacing them one by one :P22:44
slonopotamusstart with card22:44
ShadowJKA USB memory stick on same USB hub passes this test22:49
* ShadowJK tries with another usb memory stick22:49
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coldbootfiferboy: Can you comment on my merge request?22:51
fiferboycoldboot: Sure thing22:52
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ShadowJKpasses test: usb -> card reader, usb -> hub -> card reader23:17
ShadowJKfails test: usb -> hub -> { card reader, usb pendrive }23:17
ShadowJKbut the pendrive passes23:17
ShadowJKusb is shit :-(23:17
timeless_mbptoo much power drawn?23:18
ShadowJKpowered hub...23:18
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ShadowJK(external adapter)23:19
lbtJaffa: ^^23:19
ShadowJKThe hub consumes 100mA, the card reader says 100mA and the pendrive says 100mA :/23:19
ShadowJKso it should be fine even if it was self-powered23:19
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lcukShadowJK, not fine23:24
lcukmy keyboard is 100ma23:24
lcukproblem is, power draw increases as you chord more keys23:24
lcukit crashed the machine if i pressed >2 keys23:24
javispedrowhoo ramzswap!23:26
fiferboycoldboot: I found another problem, but I'm not sure if it was pre-existing23:26
javispedroi remember reading both very optimistic and very pessimistic reviews about it :D23:27
fiferboycoldboot: If I get the keyboard to pop-down by selecting a non-input widget, I can't get it to pop-up again on an input widget23:27
fiferboycoldboot: I'm going to test the code before your patch, because I suspect it has nothing to do with your code23:27
fiferboycoldboot: I will update you (and the merge request) when I find out more, but I have to go now23:28
woglindehi javispedro23:29
fiferboylbt: Could you review my changes in my clone?  There are still some problems in certain cases when autoscrolling starts with an overshoot23:29
javispedrohi woglinde :)23:29
lbtfiferboy: I am desperately trying to finalise the OBS work and get some Qt time... :)23:29
fiferboylbt: I'll continue to look at it tonight, but my refactor may not be the best solution.23:29
lbtsadly I got zero assistance from anyone els in the maemo community on this stuff ... nm :)23:30
fiferboylbt: That's fine, I'll spend another day or so on it and decide if it is feasible23:30
coldbootfiferboy: Thanks.23:30
lbtno, go slow... I want to get involved ;)23:30
lbtgui's are more fun than build services!23:30
fiferboylbt: I'll look into eliminating some repetition as well23:30
lbt(which is probably why I'm on my own!)23:31
lbtsure -- It may make sense to duplicate the code you know23:31
Jaffalbt: cool.23:31
fiferboylbt: It's good when someone is actually willing to improve the build service, too bad there is no help23:31
fiferboylbt: It seems like the duplication may be necessary because yScrollState and xScrollState can be different23:32
Jaffalbt: WTF? "vala - Maemo's version of Vala"; "vala3 - Don't Ask"23:32
lbtyes, I couldn't see an easy solution back then23:32
lbtJaffa: thought you may be interested...23:32
lbtvala3 = Qt ?23:32
fiferboyAnyhoo, I'm off.  Talk to you later23:32
lbttake care!!23:32
fiferboylbt: BTW, have you registered for the summit?23:33
fiferboyI am trying to decide whether I should go..23:33
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fiferboyI'll have to check with my pregnant wife if I'm able to take the time off ;)23:34
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lbtshoulda thought of that back then shouldn't you...23:34
fiferboyAlso, it would depend on sponsorship, so I should probably apply as soon as possible23:35
lbtI would23:35
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Jaffalbt: that's what I'm wondering/hoping23:35
fiferboylbt: I know, bad planning.  Summit in September, baby in November23:35
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lbtJaffa :
lbtI'd say not23:36
Jaffalbt: Indeed.23:36
* lbt goes to package cross-glibc and patchelf ...23:37
* Jaffa goes to bed.23:37
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woglindegood nite jaffa23:38
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coldbootlbt: Do you know much about how Qt configures itself?23:46
lbtbuild time?23:46
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coldbootlbt: I'm still trying to get src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputmethodprotocol.h to be copied to include/QtGui/private in 4.5.0... In 4.5.2 it's been renamed to *_p.h, which makes bin/synqt treat it differently, and I've renamed all instances of it in every file, but it's still not copied over.23:47
lbtand why 4.5.0 ?23:49
lbtdo we care?23:49
coldbootlbt: You don't care, but I need this to backport the flicker fix to the version of Qt we have deployed.23:49
lbtah, OK23:49
coldbootI was wondering if you knew how Qt did this sort of thing.23:49
lbtno idea :)23:49
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coldbootI'm gonna see when it was renamed in qt-maemo.23:50
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lbtstart up gitk23:53
lbtselect 'find touching paths'23:53
coldbootRunning `git log -S` on qt-maemo takes a while...23:53
lbtand 19fcd40645b263923d316326e2c7bde71cb27c5c23:54
coldbootWhere is "find touching paths"?23:54
coldbootGot it23:55
coldbootfor qt-maemo?23:55
lbtmiddle drpdown23:55
lbtsays "containing"23:55
coldbootPut 19fcd40645b263923d316326e2c7bde71cb27c5c in the find string, leave it as exact and all fields?23:55
lbtFind <next> <prev> commit ...<dropdown>23:55
lbtchange the dropdown to "touching paths"23:55
lbtpu src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputmethodprotocol.h23:55
lbtin the the string23:56
coldbootHoly crap.23:56
lbtfiferboy would wet himself23:56
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coldbootThat is amazing.23:58
woglindehm what?23:58
coldbootI don't get it then, all they did was rename the file, and change the .pri file, and anything that includes it.23:58
coldbootI re-ran configure as it's run by dpkg-buildpackage...23:59

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