IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2009-07-20

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* Luke-Jr wonders why Fn doesn't work in console mode, despite his getting it on dumpkeys properly00:26
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Luke-Jrchx: yes, dumpkeys01:14
chxwhat's that?01:14
qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: don't linux-omap have a fix for that in the kernel?01:14
Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: 2.6.30-rc8 didn't01:15
Luke-Jrcurrent Linux-OMAP doesn't have keyboard support for N810 at all01:15
Luke-Jrchx: run it and see01:15
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qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: Oh. I found some patch for Fn in console. Took it and butchered it to run in 2.6.21. Fn in console worked, Fn in Maemo didn't...01:16
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Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: I don't care much for hacks01:19
Luke-Jror was it an actual bugfix?01:19
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qwerty12_N810I believe it was meant to be so01:19
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Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: link?02:10
Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: do note this bug is NOT N8x0-specific, and occurs on some x86 platforms too02:11
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qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: took it from here: (may have been updated/removed/superseded - I dunno)02:13
Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: that is a hack and rather unrelated02:14
qwerty12_N810Unrelated? It gets you Fn in console. *shrug*02:15
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radicqwerty12_N810: what's the problem if the N800 charges the akku for more then 6h?03:52
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Proteousnot really04:09
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Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: no it doesn't, it makes Fn/Ctrl/Alt "sticky"05:49
xnt14oh no.......05:51
xnt14nevermind :P05:51
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sarowerfor thread programming in maemo which one i can use..?08:53
sarowerany suggestion?08:53
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tlI add my input method plug-ins, why plug-ins menu to choose the input method in the sub-menu is displayed on this gray09:22
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timeless_mbphello world10:26
danielwilmsmorning! :)10:26
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timeless_mbpdo you read maemo bug jar?10:29
danielwilmshaven't done it yet this morning, but in general yes :)10:30
timeless_mbpok, before you read today's10:30
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timeless_mbpcan you give me a rough from memory summary of how you remember things from the last bug jar?10:30
timeless_mbpmostly an impression10:31
timeless_mbpare any components improving? are any components getting worse?10:31
timeless_mbpthings like that10:31
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danielwilmsas the new beta_2 came last week a lot of things has been fixed there10:33
danielwilmshave a look here10:33
timeless_mbpdanielwilms: yeah, i don't care :)10:36
timeless_mbpthat's not the goal of my inquiry10:36
timeless_mbpthe question is basically: does the bug jar enable you to see where things are getting better10:36
* timeless_mbp grumbles10:37
timeless_mbpwhy the heck is HAM's section using Justification?10:37
timeless_mbpand would someone please teach the relnotes author about HTML's <a href> ?10:38
* timeless_mbp really hates the color scheme used by for links :(10:39
timeless_mbpwho thought light gray was a good idea for followed links?10:39
timeless_mbpoh, also... does anyone know if changes to the Maemo5 Dev Doc online will get reflected back into the original content?10:40
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danielwilmstimeles_mbp: the bug-jar gives a good overview what the biggest issues are and what was adressed during the you can see some steady improvements...sometimes more, sometimes less ;)10:41
timeless_mbpdanielwilms: well, after you read today's jar, lemme know which things you think improved :)10:42
danielwilmssometimes less :)'s vacation's period :)10:43
Stskeepsmorning timeless_mbp, danielwilms10:45
* RST38h yawns widelu10:45
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RST38hAll right, gentlemen, what are the news? X900? C900? =)10:46
StskeepsNokia XXX, obviously.10:46
Stskeepswith vin diesel in the commercials10:47
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timeless_mbpdanielwilms: oh, i know that... but that's not the point...10:49
timeless_mbpi'm fishing for something specific10:49
timeless_mbpplay along :)10:49
timeless_mbpif the answer is that you don't think anything specific has improved, you can just say that10:49
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RST38hSts: With a vibration feature.10:51
RST38hSts: BTW, Nokia already has a lipstick-shapred fashion phone, so adding a vibration feature to that should work10:52
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Stskeepsand we have an instant winner, coupling it with pornographic linux applications10:53
timeless_mbpsomehow i don't think that phone will run linux anytime soon10:53
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qwerty12_N810They could say it has Linuxxx. Maybe that will go down nice with the furries who are into their penguins...10:55
danielwilmstimeless_mbp: it was equal...almost the same amount of bugs opened and slight improvement and some new things found... :)10:56
timeless_mbpdanielwilms: so you've read and you're done?10:56
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RST38hSts: ...and make it PINK!11:05
RST38hSts: Speaking of which,
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Maceri'm looking at the touch book site11:09
Macerand all the "reviews" etc of it11:09
Macerwere from march of 200911:09
Macerwhen it was announced11:09
* Macer thinks it is vaporware11:09
Macerit is SUPPOSED to come out this month.. they are supposed to start shipping11:09
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johnxMacer, seems like a commonality between a lot of OMAP3 devices :)11:34
suihkulokkiMacer: they started taking pre-orders early this month, and they still kept the "expect to ship in july" so I think they are serious11:34
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RST38hSerious people do not take preorders until production starts11:40
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woglindenetbook with ion11:43
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woglindehi florian11:46
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floriangood morning11:48
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timeless_mbpwet morning11:54
timeless_mbpvery wet11:54
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wazdtimeless_mbp: oh, we have slight rain too :(12:06
wazdtimeless_mbp: and I have to go to my country :(12:06
timeless_mbpas in going from Russia to Finland?12:06
timeless_mbpor "country house"12:07
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vilen_im developing some software for maemo12:11
vilen_any of you have experience working with the maemo wifi driver?12:11
vilen_please let know, i have some questions :)12:12
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Stskeepswhat are you trying to do with it?12:14
vilen_basically force sleep/wakeup12:16
vilen_i tried turning txpower on/off12:17
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vilen_but it seems that the driver does not react to those iwreq's12:17
Stskeepshmm, PSM?12:17
vilen_well yeah but there i can play only with the beacon interval12:18
woglindevilen_ might be problem from underlying wlan stack too12:18
Stskeepsyou can disable it too though12:18
vilen_but yes i have thought about that to12:18
Stskeepsyeah - on maemo it will do a lot of nasty things12:18
Stskeepstry under Mer or something like that and disable the power saving wifi script12:18
Stskeepsyou might have better success with it12:18
vilen_sorry i have never heard of Mer before12:19
Stskeepssame wifi driver but it doesn't interfere as much12:20
vilen_ok thanks i will give it a go12:21
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Stskeeps <- heh :>12:27
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timeless_mbp <- better12:34
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RST38hMore, more rain!12:47
RST38hAnd can we have +12oC please?12:48
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Macerhave to move like a lot of stuff over to my raid12:54
Maceri should have done this a long tmie ago12:54
Macerthe crappy part is going to be when i have to stop the vboxes12:54
Macerto move them :(12:54
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JaffaLooking through - Nokia are going to have a hit if they remember to advertise Rover having full Flash.15:09
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RST38hIt is actually a minor feature though15:15
qwerty12_N810Seen the people on tmo wanting Flash 10 for their tablets?15:16
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Stskeepsjeremiah_away: hope you get better :)15:20
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* lcuk beats up databases15:22
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lcukhow big are the map databases usually?    does the device happily manage 100mb+ sqlite databases? :$15:28
RST38hqwerty: People on tmo are no indication of anything15:29
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qwerty12_N810RST38h: shows there's a demand for it though. (Not from me, personally, I always keep it disabled) :)15:34
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GeneralAntillestimelyx, X-Fade, infact. Feel free to suggest an improved option. ;)15:35
Macertalk about a  pain in the damn ass15:35
lcukmmmm, what endian order is the arm usually?15:35
Maceri just had to migrate my fileserver's home dir15:35
Macerto its raid from the rpool15:35
GeneralAntilleslcuk, armel.15:36
Macertalk about something you should have thought about BEFORE you installed15:36
lcukthat doesnt tell me the endianness15:36
Macerlittle big15:36
lcukdamn, so that explains why my png memory function wasnt working :D15:36
Macerno i'm just joking15:36
GeneralAntillesAdvanced RISC Machine Endian Little15:36
Maceri have no idea15:36
lcukmmm thats confusing lol15:36
lcukooooh GeneralAntilles... now it does!15:37
lcukyou are a * thanks15:37
Macerbut i would assume an arm is little15:37
GeneralAntillesIt can be either15:37
* lcuk facepalms15:37
GeneralAntillesBut we happen to be little here.15:37
lcukim trying to read png data without saving to an explicit file15:37
* lcuk filled up all memory space :$15:38
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* lcuk facepalsm16:08
lcukit wasnt endianness16:08
lcukit helps if i add the required offset into the memory structure for reading a particular block16:08
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* rkirti|away wonders what "herring" packages are ......16:12
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Stskeepssardine ?16:12
rkirtiStskeeps: /me doesnt know much about sardine except its some  bleeding-edge distro for devels to build against16:14
rkirtisome packages are missing from fremantle after beta2 upgrade...osso-gwconnect for instance16:15
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Stskeepsyeah, they no longer depend on it16:16
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GAN800rkirti, Sardine stopped being updated a looong time ago, so the whole bleeding edge thing is a mostly a myth. ;)16:22
rkirtiGAN800: :-)16:23
GAN800Herring was the stable dev branch, I believe.16:27
GAN800Either way, the fish are dead.16:27
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Macergot the home automounter working between my fileserver and client :)16:34
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lcukdo labels in gtk NEED a background color, or can they be drawn transparent (im used to vb with opaque and transparent16:35
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Macerstop what you are doing!16:47
Macerstop stop stop!16:47
MacerU-TURN! use that instead!16:47
* Macer grins16:47
locutusoh dear16:48
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StskeepsMacer: get it on a sheevaplug and we're talking16:49
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MacerThis release support NEC Electronics's NaviEngine 1 (NE1).16:50
Stskeepsi have no idea wtf that device is16:50
Macer3. Known Bugs16:51
Maceryou will learn that in about a year or so all the time you wasted on making "just another linux distro" when you could have been working on groundbreaking opensolaris on arm works :)16:52
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Macershowing superior coding on embedded platforms and small n800s .. proving that efficient code and kernels can blow linux out of the water16:53
Macerand instead you're making debian with a new wm :)16:53
glassMacer: yeah that would actually be 'sexy' project16:53
Macerwouldn't it? i mean it already has gtk/gnome stuff16:54
glassMacer: blogofame and gobs of cash from indians16:54
glassMacer: a friend uses opensolaris at home for disk server16:54
Maceri do too ;)16:54
glassi hear it's pretty nice16:54
Maceras a matter of fact i just got it to do the automounted home dir16:54
Macerbecause i kind of screwed up on my dir structure in my ignorance when i installed16:55
glassMacer: out of the blue, would you know if theres a povray port to opensolaris?16:55
Macerand had the home dir on an 80G rpool instead of an 8TB raid :)16:55
Maceri don't know what povray is ;)16:55
Macerright now i was going to set up kerberos and nis16:55
Macerjust to be old school16:55
Macerand because i dont' feel lke taking the time to rip my hair out using ldap16:55
glassMacer: it's a raytracing program..(theres a free modeller for it too).. i use it to do stuff like this
murraycHas anyone heard of this Zoom thing? It looks very beagleboard-esque:
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RST38hmoo glass16:57
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glassMacer: opensolaris would be perfect os for the renderbox for toying around..16:58
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Stskeepsmurrayc: think it's a typical development board from TI, - i think it's rather pricey :)16:59
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murraycStskeeps: The price is similar to a BeagleBoard plus a touchscreen plus the other bits and pieces you need.16:59
Stskeepsbut for the stuff you get along I guess it's rather  cheap16:59
murraycWe might try to get one if DigiKey can't deliver our BeagleBoards. Though I fear being the only people using it. I'd rather have the same problems as other people.17:00
murraycAnd DigiKey seem to be the sellers of the Zoom.17:00
glass"Currently SW support for following features are not available on the public git trees due to licensing restrictions:"17:00
glassand then all the fun stuff17:00
murraycOh, at least you can put your choice of WLAN USB stick in the beagleboard.17:01
murraycAnd "graphics" seems like a big deal. But it must be the same graphics as on the BeagleBoard.17:01
murraycI don't get how video playback is available but graphics isn't.17:02
glass"video playback"17:02
glassis just frames after frames17:02
glassif you can draw to the screen you can do that at some quality17:02
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Macerdamn zimbra server jabberd seems lagged to shit17:03
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KucukMubasirwhat do you think about the Qt port of Maemo, good or batd?18:14
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blen2rhow would you rate mer's speed vs. neovento (I currently have Neovento on my freerunner but it's quite slow)18:17
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Jaffablen2r: You might be better asking in #mer; not many people here have freerunners18:20
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blen2roh ok, thank you18:22
blen2rhave a nice day18:23
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GAN800murrayc, Beagle is probably a better option. Most of the people with Zooms are working for big cellular companies.18:27
Luke-JrKucukMubasir: depends; GTK and Maemo have always sucked so far; Qt is generally good18:27
Luke-JrKucukMubasir: so Maeco+Qt = ⁇?18:27
murraycGAN800: Yeah. Hopefully the deliver delays will be fixed, though DigiKey refuse to say when that might be.18:28
GAN800Woo, subjective absolutisms.18:28
KucukMubasirthanks Luke-Jr: what is the right side of it is illigible :)18:30
Luke-JrKucukMubasir: fix your IRC client ;)18:30
StskeepsLuke-Jr: .. why on earth using utf-8 for "??", btw? :P18:31
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Luke-JrStskeeps: Efficiency ☺18:32
Luke-JrGAN800: f u18:33
* Stskeeps is reminded of
Luke-JrStskeeps: GAN800 started it :þ18:36
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StskeepsLuke-Jr: pfft.18:37
GAN800On that note, has anybody gotten around to writing up a wikipedia entry for Mer?18:40
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Stskeepsno, we automatically disqualify ourselves18:41
Luke-Jram I disqualified?18:42
Luke-Jrmy Mer involvement is limited18:43
Stskeepsyou're listed as a mer contributor for god knows why, so i would guess so :P18:44
Stskeepsalso, there's the problem of notability18:44
qwerty12_N810it will be a plug for Gentoo and how Mer sucks because it currently uses GTK+18:44
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jeremiah_away /lastlog jeremiah18:45
Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: Mer isn't GTK+-specific, is it? :þ18:45
Luke-Jreven if the default is18:45
Stskeeps** No messages for jeremiah18:45
jeremiah_awayYes there are!18:45
Stskeepsjeremiah_away: you holding up alright?18:45
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jeremiahDoing okay - my face is freaky but otherwise alright. :)18:46
* Stskeeps is dangerously afraid of forest walks cos of borellia and such :P18:46
jeremiahStskeeps: How is Spain?18:46
Stskeepsjeremiah: not there yet18:46
Stskeepsgoing on thursday18:46
jeremiahAh. Fun!18:46
StskeepsLuke-Jr: /connect'd work better..18:46
jeremiahHow long will you be there for, the weekend?18:46
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Stskeepsjeremiah: 23-31 july18:47
Stskeepswe arrive quite late 23th and leave very early 31th18:48
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jeremiahStskeeps: Whoah - you'll be there nearly all of debconf18:48
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jeremiahSee my friend dam for lunch tickets!18:49
Stskeepswell not debcamp18:49
jeremiahoh yeah, just debconf18:49
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Stskeepsand i'll present on the 25th18:49
jeremiahCool - you're doing the Mer presentation?18:50
jeremiahAnd will it be video taped?18:50
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Stskeepsnop, don't think so18:52
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Stskeepsexcept maybe by zenvoid18:52
Stskeepsi'll have to ask him :P18:52
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jeremiahThe debian-perl group is going to have a video feed for a meeting so I would be surprised if your talk didn't have a feed18:52
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GAN800Stskeeps, meh, arguably I'd be disqualified from writing about Maemo.18:56
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GAN800Notability shouldn't be an issue.18:56
Stskeepswell, for Mer it would be18:56
Stskeepsheck, I had 84% of the RFC1459 market and my project wasn't "notable"18:57
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Stskeepsexcept it's still there, interesting18:57
GAN800If somebody objects, then fine.18:58
GAN800But until then there's little harm in putting up an article.18:58
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coldbootIf I `maemo-sdk enter runtime` for arm, with the i386-2007q3 toolchain set, it should run the i386->arm compiler when I run gcc, right? I just want to make sure that this is the case when you're in emulation mode.19:50
woglindeyou need want emu mode use arm-toolchain19:51
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woglindeyou need arm-toolchain for emu mode19:51
coldbootwoglinde, what's your primary language?19:52
coldbootJust wondering because I can read French...19:52
coldbootAh ok, I don't know German. :)19:53
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coldbootShould the linker be running in emulation mode?19:59
woglindeits all running automagicly19:59
woglindewith qemu19:59
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coldbootwoglinde: But it's running extremely slow when I'm on arm, it should be using the cross-compiler, but just seems to be running the arm compiler in emulation mode.20:03
woglinderight you are doing the pains yourself20:03
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woglindeand running it on the device20:03
coldbootwoglinde: No this is in scratchbox 220:03
woglindeyepp its using qemu20:05
coldbootI'm saying it should be using the cross compiler, not the arm compiler in emulation.20:06
coldbootIt should be using i386->arm instead of arm->arm.20:06
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woglindecoldboot hm never saw that this mode is available20:08
coldbootCompiling in arm and i386 should be the same speed, for me it's slow for arm.20:09
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jeremiahHmmmm ->
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Stskeepsyeah.. :P20:15
jeremiahYeah, that qi think should run Mer20:15
StskeepsMIPS, ick.20:17
Stskeepsalso, very low ram20:17
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woglindegood bye20:21
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xnt14~uncrash lcuk's computer20:34
xnt14~fix lcuk's computer20:34
* infobot opens the hood of lcuk's computer , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars."20:34
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wazdok, engadget guys think that mirror reflect light at 90 degrees20:55
wazdare they copypasting from Gizmodo or something?20:56
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nomiswazd: yay, even with some comments "confirming" that...21:01
nomis"Get a flashlight, go to mirror. Point it at an angle towards the mirror. The light is reflected off by 90 degrees from the angle of the original light beam."21:01
nomisduh :)21:01
mgedminphysics fail21:02
coldbootDid you know that ls always returns 0? Confirmed by doing `ls .; echo $?`21:02
mgedmin'ls nosuch; echo $?' disproves your theory21:03
coldbootMy sarcastic theory, yes.21:03
mgedminbut I suppose it's easier to echo $? than to measure an angle between light beams21:04
mgedminespecially ones you can't see without filling up the room with smoke21:04
coldbootWhere's this article? I'd like to post a comment.21:04
mgedminthey're back to old greek philosopher's way of doing science experiments: "it stands to reason"21:05
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slonopotamusjohnsq, hello21:15
johnsqslonopotamus: something new?21:16
slonopotamusjohnsq, released fb_text2screen and open-wlan-cal. writing libcal replacement.21:17
johnsqslonopotamus: nice.21:18
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RST38hmoo all21:22
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Stskeepswb qwerty12_N81021:40
qwerty12_N810Thank you21:40
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Luke-JrI just got ReactOS running on my N810!21:47
coldbootOh cool21:47
Luke-Jrsweet, WoW is working21:47
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jaskaand i see a bunch of pigs with wings flapping outside the window21:49
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slonopotamusLuke-Jr, how's bme going? :P21:59
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coldbootHas anyone got gdb running and breaking functions properly on the device?22:33
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RST38hApple Approves iPhone App That Promotes School Shootings hehehe22:36
qwerty12_N810Doom? No, wait...22:36
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RST38hmore like Zombies Ate My Neighbors, but way way lamer22:38
StskeepsRST38h: did you see the pedophile finder?22:38
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Stskeeps10 bucks we'll be seeing torches22:39
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RST38h...and a new tactic of "paedophiling" where evil hackers (tm) insert your name into the sex offender database22:41
qwerty12_N810Yes, it displays a picture of a torch and it can be yours for $999.99!22:41
RST38hthat would be a welcome advancement of the "swatting" tactic22:41
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RST38h"A Saudi Arabian man married a Filipino woman as a cover for buying her kidney, trying to circumvent the Philippines' strict new rules to fight organ trafficking"22:54
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coldbootWhen I run gdb on the device, and run `symbol-file /usr/lib/`, it says "(no debugging symbols found)"... But I compiled libQtGui with -g, why is gdb not finding debug symbols?23:02
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johnsqcoldboot: have you tried it on the desktop pcß23:04
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coldbootjohnsq: I'm using scratchbox 2 and gdb doesn't work in it at all.23:04
johnsqcoldboot: you can test a local desktop application.23:05
coldbootjohnsq: What do you mean?23:05
johnsqcoldboot: I'm not fit with gdb, but to test the command you can debug a qt application on your pc, to look if the commands are correct.23:06
coldbootjohnsq: What commands?23:07
johnsqcoldboot: symbol-file fe.23:07
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