| Jaffa | There've been lots of Chinese names on maemo-* recently. | 00:00 |
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| Jaffa | It could be legally licensed; Nokia aren't going to tell us (although there's no press release) | 00:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | They have a repo for the clones: http://www.woojoy.com/repository/pool/free/ | 00:01 |
| milhouse | could make long-term OS support interesting - not so easy to EOL a version due to a Nokia hardware change if other manufacturers are supporting the platform | 00:01 |
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| Jaffa | Would be good to get them involved in Mer, then they can have what they've got legally. | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: Indeed. Last word on it at OSiM from Ari Jaaksi was that they weren't interested in licencing Maemo | 00:01 |
| milhouse | I'm beginning to wonder if there is space for so many mobile operating systems | 00:01 |
| milhouse | iPhone, Symbian, Android, WebOS, Maemo, Mer... can they all survive? | 00:02 |
| milhouse | Win Mob... I've probably forgotten one or two more as well | 00:02 |
| javispedro | dunno coldboot, mines clearly say --host=i386-linux --target=arm-none-linux-gnueabi | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: OpenMoko, all the proprietary SE & Motorola & ... OSes | 00:03 |
| coldboot | javispedro: So mine is the wrong version, it's not a cross-compiler... | 00:03 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I seem to remember that you could use "native" tools or "host" tools | 00:03 |
| milhouse | Jaffa: Ah yes, although SE seem to be heading down the Android route, and are Motorola still in the game? | 00:04 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: But I also remember SB2 guys turning off "host" tools option | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Really? Blimey. (I did caveat my original stmt with sb1 ;-)) | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: Goodness knows. Last few phones have been low-level Linux based, FWIW. | 00:05 |
| javispedro | it _should_ use host tools, at least maemo sdk 2 promoted that you could install newer versions of "Host tools" with less effort than in sb1 | 00:05 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Given the pain with using the "official" Maemo SDK, I've never thought it worth the effort to suffer /more/ pain for an unofficial SDK based on sb2... | 00:06 |
| javispedro | I'm yet to experience that "pain" :) | 00:06 |
| coldboot | javispedro: So I can install tools and toolchains. | 00:06 |
| milhouse | This Chinese Optima device is using a Marvell PXA320 processor... if they can get Fremantle running on this thing it might go a long way to solving the problems getting Fremantle to run on N8x0 | 00:06 |
| milhouse | (maybe) | 00:06 |
| coldboot | javispedro: For tools I get etch, etch-2008, lenny-2009-1 | 00:07 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: What problems getting Fremantle running on the N8x0? Mer already has most of it running on a 770. | 00:07 |
| coldboot | javispedro: For toolchain I get: arm-2005q3, arm-2007q3, i386-2007q3 | 00:07 |
| milhouse | Jaffa: Based on what Nokia have said - I don't know if the problems are real or marketing bs | 00:08 |
| javispedro | I'm using etch-2008 and the 2007-q3... but on sb1, so I don't really know what to suggest ... | 00:08 |
| milhouse | marketing bs as in "prematurely end of life a bunch of devices so that the suckers will go out and buy the new kit" | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | milhouse: Nokia aren't backporting Fremantle because of wanting to use Clutter & effects to define the look of Fremantle: no accelerated 3D on N8x0 and slower CPU make that "real" | 00:09 |
| milhouse | Jaffa: Fair enough - I guess the Chinese guys will have designed a reasonable 3D engine into their PXA320 device | 00:10 |
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| milhouse | Jaffa: which might make Fremantle feasible | 00:10 |
| javispedro | and I'm sure whatever drivers they get will be of superior quality than whatever driver we may get ;) | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: No sb1 pain? Wow. | 00:11 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa, I'm intrigued. What did you hate about sb1? | 00:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | milhouse: They're using chinook - I don't think they're concerned about updates... | 00:11 |
| milhouse | qwerty: haha | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: It's probably more Nokia's use of it than the tool. The multiple install steps; the lack of quality in the SDK (all the warnings on starting af-sb-init.sh, for example; no clean upgrade path; no consideration for easily installing rootstraps into existing installs (e.g. having diablo & fremantle: works; but instructions not good); having to upgrade sb when upgrading SDK - blurred lines) | 00:13 |
| javispedro | ok :P | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | What else, massive disk space use; poor x86-64 support; no Mac support so limits developers to x86 Linux users; ... | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | I could go on ;-) | 00:14 |
| javispedro | I myself just get latest Apophis | 00:14 |
| javispedro | then install it on vmware since I'm not going to disable vdso ;) | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, the instructions don't make it clear what turning off vdso will do | 00:15 |
| javispedro | apart from destroy any hope for performance you had on your workstation, dunno :D | 00:15 |
| coldboot | javispedro: I don't get it, I set my toolchain to the arm one, when the arm rootstrap was set. | 00:16 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Yeah, but NOkia don't tell you that | 00:16 |
| coldboot | javispedro: It says that the target is arm, and the compiler is i486, but gcc -v says the same thing, and compiling is extremely slow. | 00:17 |
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| javispedro | coldboot, may it be that's just sb2 usual slowness? | 00:17 |
| javispedro | it is a known "to do" afaik | 00:18 |
| coldboot | javispedro: It's only for arm, it's orders of magnitude slower than i386. | 00:18 |
| RST38h | 32fps | 00:19 |
| javispedro | guess what? try to compile anything, and then ps ax to see if there's some qemu-user loaded | 00:19 |
| * RST38h once again wins, ARM and its weak memory performance lose | 00:19 | |
| coldboot | javispedro: 32235 pts/4 S+ 0:00 /usr/bin/sb2-qemu-arm -U LD_PRELOAD -L / -0 g++ /usr/bin/g++ | 00:20 |
| javispedro | there you have :D now try to guess why it's doing that | 00:20 |
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| coldboot | javispedro: I don't know if that's the host arm compiler compiling to arm, or the host i386 compiler. | 00:21 |
| javispedro | that's the arm emulated compiler | 00:22 |
| coldboot | What would the host i386 to arm compiler look like? | 00:22 |
| javispedro | for a start, it will not begin with "sb2-qemu-arm" | 00:23 |
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| coldboot | Do all invocations get intercepted and run by sb2-qemu-arm unless they're gcc, when everything's working right? | 00:24 |
| * slonopotamus just builds on tablet without any pain | 00:25 | |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to give his ARM two more registers | 00:26 | |
| javispedro | coldboot, sb2-qemu-arm intercepts all armel binaries trying to be exec'd using binfmt | 00:26 |
| javispedro | not only gcc | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: We should get a really lightweight image together which runs enough to export NFS/SSHFS with a recent Scratchbox. Then installation becomes: get Scratchbox image, install preferred rootstraps and cross-mount filesystems. | 00:27 |
| Jaffa | Although once Rover's released, I think I'll do more on-device building (lots of disk, faster processor) | 00:27 |
| javispedro | I am currently doing just that :D | 00:28 |
| coldboot | javispedro: And what's supposed to happen when gcc gets run? | 00:28 |
| coldboot | javispedro: Since it's supposed to run an i386 executable. | 00:28 |
| javispedro | mutual nfs : host mounts vmware, vmware mounts host: I can modify scratchbox's rootstraps from host, scratchbox's home is host's | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: I'm imagining an image with no X or anything. If you've got a really lightweight starting point, I'd love to see it | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Sounds good | 00:28 |
| javispedro | I cannot get more "out of the box" than hat | 00:28 |
| javispedro | *that | 00:29 |
| javispedro | *It | 00:29 |
| javispedro | darn typos ;) | 00:29 |
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| Jaffa | The "Maemo Development Appliance" approach appeared sensible but: a) it provides a second desktop; I want to use my own; b) distributing Nokia's SDK is shaky and more work. | 00:29 |
| javispedro | Jaffa, unfortunately minimal build-capable Debian is around ~1GiB | 00:30 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. | 00:30 |
| javispedro | but will easily fill up to ~3 Gib (not really sure if minimal is enough) | 00:31 |
| * Jaffa wonders about Ubuntu JeOS would be better | 00:31 | |
| javispedro | then each rootstrap is around ~0.5GiB | 00:31 |
| * Jaffa imagines: provide Scratchbox image and tools available for download; and instructions for installing the various rootstraps. | 00:32 | |
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| Jaffa | + workstation setup for Windows, OSX and Linux | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | And then, bingo, I've also got a summit talk ;-) | 00:32 |
| javispedro | lol | 00:32 |
| javispedro | lbt was doing something interesting too, using obs | 00:32 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, must speak to him about that too | 00:33 |
| lbt | m | 00:33 |
| * lbt shakes his head to try and clear it | 00:33 | |
| lbt | Qt + gi | 00:33 |
| lbt | t | 00:33 |
| lbt | ugh | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | this is the problem with Java: the BIG-optimized OpenJDK has nearly 30MiB footprint. | 00:38 |
| javispedro | the jalimo team has done a pretty good job, with less than 15MiB | 00:39 |
| ds3 | do you really want full java vs J2ME stuff? | 00:39 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Seen the work Sun's doing with Project Jigsaw and the Java SE Embedded work | 00:39 |
| * Jaffa wants full Java. | 00:40 | |
| * javispedro wants full Java too. | 00:40 | |
| * lbt wants perl | 00:40 | |
| javispedro | the Embedded JRE, as installed on my tablet, is 46 MiB | 00:41 |
| * lbt wants perl running on parrot | 00:41 | |
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| coldboot | javispedro: I've found `maemo-sdk enter devel`, but it says it can't find some instruction while compiling. | 00:43 |
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| * javispedro does not remember the maemo sdk 2 manual | 00:44 | |
| javispedro | either way if you feel your setup is fscked... you know :D | 00:44 |
| javispedro | reinstall ;) | 00:44 |
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| coldboot | javispedro: I'm not sure if it ever worked. I've also been tracking it in git the whole time. | 00:45 |
| ds3 | why full java? | 00:45 |
| * ShadowJK wants java me :-) | 00:46 | |
| ds3 | I have had mix experience with java stuff - the doc converter thing for palm worked okay but the latest experience with a GPX viewer was painful... it kept running out of memory and the app would just silently fail | 00:47 |
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| ShadowJK | opera mini seems to scale with available memory quite well :/ | 00:48 |
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| glass | vm doesn't matter if the coder of the java app is stupid | 00:49 |
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| javispedro | language doesn't matter. as the old saying goes, you can code fortran in any language ;) | 00:50 |
| glass | ye :p | 00:50 |
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| Luke-Jr | )#()@ | 00:55 |
| Luke-Jr | my life is the most suck possible | 00:55 |
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| |thunder | Hi all, I Just got my google voice account all setup. So I decided that it was time I got my gizmo SIP account setup in my maemo account so I can send and recieve sip calls via "Internet Call" and the red/green status bar icon. | 01:10 |
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| |thunder | So, I got that all set up... Now all of my incoming calls to my google voice number are forwarded to my internet tablet SIP account | 01:10 |
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| |thunder | But in order to make a call I have to use the Grand Central dialer or the google voice website | 01:11 |
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| |thunder | Does anyone know if it is possible to use gizmo SIP for incoming calls and use Google Voice for outgoing calls without using grand central program or the google site ? | 01:12 |
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| |thunder | is there a way to send all outgoing calls through google voice rather than through gizmo which costs money ? | 01:12 |
| mavhc | and can I fake being in usa to sign up to gVoice? | 01:12 |
| |thunder | probably | 01:12 |
| |thunder | I was on a waiting list for almost a year | 01:13 |
| |thunder | and im in US | 01:13 |
| |thunder | lol | 01:13 |
| mavhc | I got an invite | 01:13 |
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| amr- | anyone know where the status(?) icon for xchat is located? | 01:14 |
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| |thunder | amr-; its in my status tray | 01:25 |
| amr- | i mean | 01:26 |
| amr- | the actual file | 01:26 |
| amr- | heh | 01:26 |
| |thunder | lol... | 01:26 |
| amr- | i want to make it black and white | 01:26 |
| |thunder | /etc/share/pixmaps or something | 01:26 |
| |thunder | /usr/share i meant | 01:27 |
| amr- | yeah i figured | 01:27 |
| amr- | :p | 01:27 |
| amr- | ty | 01:27 |
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| |thunder | find it ? | 01:29 |
| amr- | yep, ty | 01:29 |
| |thunder | cool | 01:29 |
| amr- | anyone know of an ftpd for maemo? | 01:29 |
| amr- | :D | 01:29 |
| amr- | oh there is proftpd apparently | 01:29 |
| rkirti | ~seen vimzard | 01:31 |
| infobot | vimzard <n=arunc@203.199.213.3> was last seen on IRC in channel #gsoc, 88d 3h 40m 52s ago, saying: 'sid0: :-P'. | 01:31 |
| rkirti | D'oh | 01:31 |
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| daniel32708 | Guys, when I try to format my external 8gb SD, in my N810, using the "File manager", it gives me an error "memory card corrupted or unformatted" so i try to format it but then it tells me "unable to format - memory card in use" but it is not in use.... can u guys please help me? i wish there was a g-parted type of thing, is there? | 01:37 |
| javispedro | so what? remove it and format using whatever computer you like | 01:39 |
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| daniel32708 | i got no sdhc in my other memory card readers | 01:39 |
| javispedro | then use usb cable | 01:40 |
| javispedro | but remember to reboot/power off instead of just unplugging if you modify the partition table | 01:40 |
| daniel32708 | i did, but my pc doesnt let me mount it | 01:40 |
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| javispedro | but you don't have g-parted or some other partition manager on your pc? | 01:41 |
| daniel32708 | is there a gparted for maemo? or an equivalent? | 01:41 |
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| daniel32708 | ok, gparted in my pc found it... ill try formatting there | 01:42 |
| daniel32708 | but still it would be cool to have gparted in the maemo hehe | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | There's parted in the repos, though that's not gparted. | 01:43 |
| daniel32708 | what formats can the n810 read? only fats? or can it use ext2,3 or 4? | 01:43 |
| daniel32708 | foe the external sd that is | 01:43 |
| daniel32708 | shadow: thx! | 01:43 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd probably do N8x0-as-card-reader and use desktop machine myself :) | 01:44 |
| daniel32708 | yeah thats what am doing now | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | Make sure you're not wiping your harddrive. | 01:45 |
| daniel32708 | but can it read the memory card if i format it as an ext2,3 or 4? | 01:45 |
| daniel32708 | or only fatts? | 01:45 |
| ShadowJK | I think it can do ext2 atleast | 01:45 |
| ShadowJK | It takes about 2 minutes to find out.. | 01:46 |
| daniel32708 | yeah lol | 01:46 |
| daniel32708 | ill try | 01:46 |
| daniel32708 | lets see what happens | 01:47 |
| daniel32708 | i am doint an ext3 | 01:47 |
| jhford | is it possible to get anything more useful out of the nokia during startup other than the nokia logo? | 01:49 |
| jhford | a standard linux start thing would be heaven | 01:50 |
| ShadowJK | "standard linux start" these days is $distro logo... | 01:50 |
| jhford | ok. old school one :P | 01:51 |
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| daniel32708 | i would love to have a login screen | 01:51 |
| daniel32708 | has any body done something like that? | 01:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | jhford: http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting#Boot_messages | 01:51 |
| jhford | awesome! | 01:51 |
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| daniel32708 | ok, ext3 didnt work | 01:53 |
| daniel32708 | lets try ext2 | 01:53 |
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| daniel32708 | how sad....no ext2 on external sd | 01:59 |
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| daniel32708 | fat32 did work | 02:07 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Hint: There's mbcache and ext2 modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/. Feel free to insmod them. | 02:09 |
| daniel32708 | thx | 02:09 |
| * lcuk hiccups | 02:09 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | BOO! | 02:09 |
| lcuk | :O | 02:10 |
| lcuk | u scared me | 02:10 |
| * lcuk hiccups again | 02:10 | |
| daniel32708 | i love thenokia n810!!! | 02:10 |
| lcuk | :) yes daniel32708 | 02:10 |
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| lcuk | whats people moved to now piratebay is defunct | 02:22 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: well, they sold out after all. not that it does matter, considering legal pressure I would've done same. | 02:24 |
| lcuk | so are all the users gonna stay there, or is theres a new playground to try? | 02:25 |
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| javispedro | i assume it's just a matter of time and waiting for "the guy with the balls" ;) | 02:26 |
| lcuk | wazd? | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, mininova, isohunt, torrentreactor, btjunkie (BT IS MADE OUT OF JUNKIES) | 02:26 |
| * qwerty12_N810 has a demonoid account that he should use more | 02:27 | |
| lcuk | accounts? | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, dmnd is invite only | 02:27 |
| lcuk | you willingly sign up for accounts? | 02:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, the one but I may have invites, let me check | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yes, you know the thing that lets you sign in? | 02:27 |
| lcuk | ive heard of mininova | 02:27 |
| javispedro | private torrents? you don't leech? :P | 02:27 |
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| crashanddie | javispedro, I have my upload limit set to -20% and 1 minute after torrent completes | 02:27 |
| qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: my dl ratio > ul :\ | 02:28 |
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| crashanddie | I am secretly hoping illegal downloads will stop while still using the system | 02:28 |
| javispedro | my dl:ul ratio is something like 300:1 | 02:28 |
| lcuk | javispedro, before bit torrent there was directconnect and dc++ etc, :) there are hubs around which require 100s of gb of stuff to enter | 02:28 |
| javispedro | but that's because I'm subscribed to the national provider of VADSL | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | waste! | 02:28 |
| lcuk | but no registration, self governed and whilst large, its under radar :) | 02:28 |
| lcuk | waste is even smaller scale | 02:29 |
| javispedro | VERY asimmetric digital subscriptors line ;) | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | http://waste.sourceforge.net/ | 02:29 |
| lcuk | javispedro, your ratio shouldnt matter if you have decent stuff to share :) | 02:29 |
| lcuk | your 1mb of upload oculd save someone waiting a month | 02:29 |
| javispedro | doubt anyone in this world is interested in my porn^Wdata | 02:30 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, waste would technically work well with the liqbase group ;) | 02:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | "Uploaded: 3.53 GB" "Downloaded: 19.09 GB" | 02:30 |
| lcuk | javispedro, do not underestimate the depravity of the person down the st | 02:30 |
| lcuk | just remember: you are not the only one who likes midget porn | 02:31 |
| javispedro | lcuk, god to know. i guess that makes us two now :D | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, it would indeed | 02:31 |
| lcuk | 2? hell theres more - crashanddie has the biggest collection ever | 02:31 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Meh. Lanky porn is where it's at. | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | I only do eunuch gay porn | 02:32 |
| lcuk | thats not lanky porn, thats you watching with wrong aspect ratio again | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | well, eunuch gay midget porn | 02:32 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Oh, I can make invite codes. Anyone want? | 02:33 |
| lcuk | invite codes to eunuch get midget porn sites? | 02:33 |
| * lcuk cant type | 02:34 | |
| lcuk | gay | 02:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, and will that huge collection, I like to think of myself as someone midgets can look up to | 02:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | No, demonoid. But I'd be happy to get codes for that. | 02:34 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:34 |
| lcuk | i dont need to signup to anything | 02:34 |
| lcuk | was just idle ponderment | 02:34 |
| lcuk | holy crap - that was a mammoth trump | 02:35 |
| * lcuk needs gas mask | 02:35 | |
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| crashanddie | But quite frankly, eunuch gay midget porn has too many shortcomings | 02:35 |
| `0660 | :) | 02:35 |
| * javispedro made it through his whole music library and now understands why apple markets something with 30 GiB hdd | 02:37 | |
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| lcuk | javispedro, before your 30gb, my principle music selection fitting on a couple of 90min cassettes | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | principal | 02:40 |
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| * lcuk wonders why crashanddie is correcting him :P | 02:42 | |
| lcuk | my english was fine, its you lot that are screwed ;) | 02:43 |
| * lcuk says canvass and gets heckles up :D | 02:43 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | it's | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | heckled | 02:43 |
| crashanddie | qwerty12_N810, we're actually making sentences :P | 02:44 |
| lcuk | no, i get your heckles up by heckling you. you have been heckled. | 02:44 |
| * lcuk ponders coding | 02:45 | |
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| javispedro | forgot to recharge the nit | 02:56 |
| javispedro | will have to leave it the whole night sucking energy | 02:56 |
| javispedro | hope it's not in flames when I wake up | 02:56 |
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| chx | rejoice! to replace my lost N810 (cue teardrop) I just won one on eBay for 217.5bucks | 04:35 |
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| Luke-Jr | chx: fail | 04:46 |
| chx | why | 04:46 |
| chx | i am in Canada | 04:46 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: N810 is fail | 04:48 |
| chx | oh sure | 04:51 |
| Macer | wtf | 04:51 |
| chx | please tell me what other device is there that can be had under 300 bucks delivered with a 4" 800x480 res screen that runs Linux | 04:51 |
| chx | I am not picky about the flavor of Linux. | 04:51 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: SmartQ 7 | 04:52 |
| chx | oh i forgot to mention, yes | 04:52 |
| chx | I need a keyboard | 04:52 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: bluetooth | 04:52 |
| chx | very, very badly need. | 04:52 |
| chx | Not good | 04:52 |
| chx | two device, fail. | 04:52 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: Zaurus SL-C860 | 04:52 |
| Luke-Jr | oh, only 640x480 | 04:52 |
| Luke-Jr | good enough | 04:52 |
| Luke-Jr | make the SmartQ + keyboard into 1 device | 04:53 |
| Luke-Jr | shoudln't be too hard | 04:53 |
| chx | call me back when that happens | 04:53 |
| chx | also? isnt the SmartQ some noname chinese product? | 04:53 |
| chx | I am wary | 04:53 |
| Luke-Jr | better than a bad-name american product | 04:53 |
| chx | Having the N810 on me is sometimes mission critical. | 04:53 |
| chx | And for the few weeks I had it , it was pure joy | 04:53 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: you must not use the GPS | 04:54 |
| chx | it runs Skype and ssh and there are many, many characters visible in the SSH window | 04:54 |
| chx | I dont | 04:54 |
| chx | I have a Holux M1200 reciever | 04:54 |
| Luke-Jr | I see. | 04:54 |
| chx | You can't beat that receiver if you are walking | 04:54 |
| Luke-Jr | I suppose if you don't need the GPS it might be tolerable. | 04:54 |
| chx | no, I dont. | 04:54 |
| chx | no matter what they build in , they cant beat the M1200 anyways, so why bother? | 04:54 |
| Luke-Jr | haha | 04:54 |
| Luke-Jr | but does the M1200 run Linux? ;) | 04:55 |
| chx | ???? | 04:55 |
| chx | it does not run anything | 04:55 |
| chx | it's the size of an usb key | 04:55 |
| chx | it sits in the backpack and feeds GPS over BT | 04:55 |
| chx | feeds my phone , feeds my N810 | 04:55 |
| chx | not at the same time, but as necessary | 04:55 |
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| Luke-Jr | I see. | 04:56 |
| Luke-Jr | but it must run something | 04:56 |
| Luke-Jr | dumb hardware can't do bluetooth, can it? | 04:56 |
| chx | btw the MTK MT3318 chipset is so much better than the sifr iii for pedestrians | 04:56 |
| Luke-Jr | certainly not GPS O.o | 04:56 |
| Luke-Jr | who said anything about sirf iii? | 04:56 |
| chx | well, that's the only usable chip besides the MTK | 04:56 |
| chx | I only Nokia uses some crap in E90 and N810 | 04:56 |
| chx | that's why i said, why bother? | 04:57 |
| chx | I dont care about the GPS | 04:57 |
| chx | I agree it's a fail. | 04:57 |
| Luke-Jr | N810 has a GPS5300 chip | 04:57 |
| chx | So what? | 04:57 |
| chx | It's not perfect. | 04:57 |
| Luke-Jr | which has potential, if we could get docs | 04:57 |
| chx | Aside from the GPS chip, the device rocks. | 04:57 |
| chx | It's only now that I had it and suffered a week without it I see how hard it rocked. | 04:57 |
| chx | So I bought another. | 04:57 |
| Luke-Jr | heh | 04:57 |
| chx | sitting on a bike in the gym | 04:58 |
| chx | and being able to Skype chat | 04:58 |
| chx | that's bliss. | 04:58 |
| Luke-Jr | well, it's about as useful as a pad of paper for me right now | 04:58 |
| Luke-Jr | especially as there's only internet when I'm at home | 04:58 |
| chx | As my life revolves around Skype chat and SSH | 04:58 |
| chx | well | 04:58 |
| Luke-Jr | and the keyboard sucks too much to make it better than going to my desktop | 04:58 |
| chx | I would love a better keyboard of course | 04:58 |
| chx | If i would be the DIY type, i would grab an N800 and http://shop.crackberry.com/freedom-slim-keypad/14A42A5051.htm?utm_source=GoogleProducts&utm_medium=shopping_engine&utm_campaign=GoogleProducts this | 04:59 |
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| Luke-Jr | why not SQ and that? | 05:00 |
| chx | Luke-Jr: UM | 05:00 |
| chx | Luke-Jr: I have severe trust issues :) | 05:00 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 05:00 |
| chx | also. | 05:00 |
| chx | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26366 this here is 151.51 | 05:01 |
| chx | the keyboard is above 50 | 05:01 |
| chx | not much savings over N810 | 05:01 |
| chx | what do i gain | 05:02 |
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| Luke-Jr | chx: an open platform | 05:03 |
| Luke-Jr | http://gpsd.berlios.de/hardware.html | 05:03 |
| Luke-Jr | Holux doesn't seem to work very well? | 05:03 |
| chx | the M1200 is not even listed. | 05:04 |
| chx | and I can testify that it works with both my E51 phone and the N810 happily. | 05:04 |
| chx | I never ever tried it in "gps mouse" mode just BT | 05:04 |
| chx | erm | 05:05 |
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| chx | i mean , i never tried the usb cable. | 05:05 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: what does gpsd think it is? | 05:06 |
| chx | I have absolutely no idea | 05:06 |
| chx | As said, I have lost my N810 and just won one on eBay | 05:06 |
| Luke-Jr | i c | 05:06 |
| Luke-Jr | how long does the battery last? | 05:07 |
| chx | uh | 05:07 |
| chx | a day? | 05:07 |
| chx | dunno, really long | 05:07 |
| chx | also, i have a pocket battery | 05:07 |
| Luke-Jr | O.o | 05:08 |
| Luke-Jr | chx: N810 claims to last a month :þ | 05:08 |
| chx | erm | 05:08 |
| chx | with the GPS receiver and the BT radio on? | 05:09 |
| Luke-Jr | which translates to ~3 hours in reality | 05:09 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 05:09 |
| Luke-Jr | dunno, BT is too complicated for me | 05:09 |
| chx | well i guess it can standby for a month. | 05:09 |
| chx | with the wifi and the bt radios off, the cpu and the ram consumes miniscule amounts of power. | 05:09 |
| Luke-Jr | yay, it can be useless for a month! | 05:09 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 05:09 |
| chx | no | 05:10 |
| chx | for me the N810 is the reassurance that i can leave my post any time i wish | 05:10 |
| chx | and if i get a call , i can immediately SSH in | 05:10 |
| chx | it's freedom | 05:10 |
| Luke-Jr | if you happen to be near an AP | 05:10 |
| chx | I am always near an AP, my friend | 05:10 |
| Luke-Jr | so not really freedom | 05:10 |
| Luke-Jr | freedom within a very small area | 05:11 |
| chx | I have a Nokia E51, I told you, and that a) works as a BT modem for the N810 b) runs JoikuSpot. | 05:11 |
| Luke-Jr | oh, right | 05:11 |
| chx | so there is always broadband wherever i go | 05:11 |
| Luke-Jr | with a low cap? | 05:12 |
| chx | 6gb? | 05:12 |
| chx | a month? | 05:12 |
| Luke-Jr | yeah, low XD | 05:12 |
| chx | um | 05:12 |
| chx | that's a crapload of ssh and skype im traffic :p | 05:12 |
| chx | ok, so i browse a little too, yeah | 05:12 |
| chx | and...? | 05:12 |
| chx | i leave the broadband guzzling tasks for my desktop | 05:13 |
| chx | i cant watch 1080p movies on the N810 anyways :p | 05:13 |
| Luke-Jr | 6 GB/mo is 2.42 KB/sec | 05:13 |
| chx | if you use it 30*86400 sec then yes | 05:13 |
| chx | but if you use it for a few ten hours the whole month? | 05:14 |
| Luke-Jr | hmm | 05:14 |
| chx | i do NOT need high speed, i need low latency | 05:14 |
| chx | what i do, i could do on dialup, and i actually did | 05:15 |
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| chx | back then it was Unix talk | 05:15 |
| chx | but not much else changed :p | 05:15 |
| Luke-Jr | dialup is faster than 6 GB/mo ;) | 05:15 |
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| chx | Luke-Jr: you have a strange view :p | 05:17 |
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| Luke-Jr | chx: perhaps I am too idealistic | 05:18 |
| chx | perhaps | 05:18 |
| chx | i spent *years* yearning after the perfect device | 05:19 |
| chx | It never happened | 05:19 |
| chx | so I am happy with the N810 | 05:19 |
| Luke-Jr | heh | 05:19 |
| chx | as i said above, if you say ' i need at least 480 vertical lines, a keyboard and skype ' | 05:20 |
| chx | there are aint many devices in this world. | 05:20 |
| Luke-Jr | I am personally anti-Skype | 05:21 |
| chx | the Sony X1 got so close to be ideal | 05:21 |
| Luke-Jr | as far as I am concerned, it is a proprietary non-standards compliant and trojan-like VoIP app | 05:21 |
| chx | but I felt violated when i touched the Windows OS | 05:21 |
| chx | I ... can't. | 05:21 |
| chx | now, if they release one with Android... | 05:22 |
| Luke-Jr | install Gentoo on it :þ | 05:22 |
| chx | ???? | 05:22 |
| chx | you can run Linux on the Xperia X1????????? | 05:22 |
| Luke-Jr | I imagine. | 05:22 |
| Luke-Jr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MrWIxDMCsE | 05:23 |
| Luke-Jr | that video sucks | 05:24 |
| Luke-Jr | XD | 05:24 |
| chx | oh and Samsung Omnia Pro . Also WinMo. | 05:26 |
| chx | The time will come when all these devices run Android | 05:26 |
| chx | and then people just root them to run a full Linux :D | 05:27 |
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| GAN8001 | Or just use Maemo. | 05:33 |
| GAN8001 | No rooting required. | 05:33 |
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| Luke-Jr | I imagine Android is at least better than Maemo | 05:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, funny. | 05:34 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs to revisit the ignore plan. | 05:34 | |
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| disco_stu | hi everybody | 05:40 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, when advaced-battery is installed is there a way to remove the original battery icon ? | 05:43 |
| disco_stu | i mean hide it from the tray | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Kill the .desktop file for it. | 05:43 |
| disco_stu | i see | 05:44 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, thx | 05:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | /usr/share/something | 05:44 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, when you said kill you mean a proccess ? | 05:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | No, delete or move the .desktop | 05:46 |
| disco_stu | ok | 05:47 |
| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, done.. thanks | 05:48 |
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| disco_stu | GeneralAntilles, instead of deleting it I hacked it, so now i can disable it in control panel | 05:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | That works too | 05:58 |
| chx | what is advanced-battery? | 06:03 |
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| jason__ | chx, it's a panel applet to show % battery remaining, along with other system stats. | 10:03 |
| chx | jason__: great, where can i find it? | 10:04 |
| jason__ | Well, it's in one of the repositories I have installed on my tablet - let me check which | 10:04 |
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| chx | jason__: thanks | 10:08 |
| jason__ | http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php, search for 'advanced-power' | 10:11 |
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| chx | ahhhh advanced-power! | 10:50 |
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| Dieterbe | lbt: my quest for the ultimate device is here : http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=586304#p586304 maybe you have some tips for me? :) | 11:45 |
| lbt | oops - need a login | 11:45 |
| Dieterbe | hmm crap | 11:46 |
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| lbt | waiting for mail :) | 11:47 |
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| Dieterbe | lbt: oh well, basically I'm looking for a portable (fits in pocket) device which I can do all my personal organizing with (so a hardware keyboard is a good idea), it must have a very open OS (i'm not too fond of android which' userland is only java) so I can run all tools i would run on my normal desktop (perl/c things using libc/python/...) like mplayer, mpd, mutt, vim , urxvt, bash and such | 11:48 |
| * lbt proposes N810+Mer | 11:49 | |
| Dieterbe | lbt: oh, and it should also be usable as a phone. that's the problem with nokias n8* stuff | 11:49 |
| Dieterbe | and i would prefer to use a headset (earbugs with microphone), so the size may be a bit bigger then a regular phone as i don't intend to hold it next to my ear much | 11:50 |
| lbt | N900 may well be the one | 11:50 |
| Dieterbe | yeah i think that too | 11:50 |
| lbt | it'll be less open though | 11:50 |
| lbt | and pricey | 11:50 |
| * lbt wants one | 11:50 | |
| Dieterbe | less open? | 11:51 |
| Dieterbe | how's that? | 11:51 |
| lbt | Nokia can't/won't open everything | 11:51 |
| * lbt should say "less open than Mer" | 11:51 | |
| lbt | Mer is the community effort (with Nokia assistance) to make an open distro for N8x0 | 11:52 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 11:52 |
| Dieterbe | well i don't mind if the device drivers and such are closed | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | it will be as hackable as n8x0 but some blobs may be needed on top of a open system for hw interfacing | 11:53 |
| Dieterbe | i can live with that :) | 11:53 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I met Dieterbe in the uzbl area | 11:53 |
| lbt | http://www.uzbl.org/ | 11:54 |
| Dieterbe | if i'm free as a bird in userspace, that's what matters most to me | 11:54 |
| lbt | historically the maemo OS hasn't had a huge repo backing it up | 11:56 |
| lbt | but it's been 'portable to' | 11:56 |
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| Dieterbe | what do you mean exactly? | 11:57 |
| lbt | The standard release points to a complete repo | 11:57 |
| lbt | but it is very sparse. | 11:57 |
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| lbt | So you end up porting loads of libraries etc | 11:58 |
| Dieterbe | is that a problem? | 11:58 |
| lbt | and then you find that it wasn't based on a snapshot of a known distro | 11:58 |
| lbt | so version mismatches occur | 11:58 |
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| lbt | it becomes harder than it should | 11:59 |
| lbt | but, if you can code it, you can run it | 11:59 |
| lbt | in Mer we've based on Ubuntu | 11:59 |
| lbt | so we provide all the maemo deltas to ubuntu base libs | 12:00 |
| lbt | so we have all the 'touchability' of maemo | 12:00 |
| lbt | but can apt-get install any ubuntu app | 12:00 |
| lbt | it may be crap to use (screen/keyboard/mouse) | 12:00 |
| lbt | but it should run | 12:00 |
| lbt | so 'apt-get install mysql-server' | 12:01 |
| lbt | works | 12:01 |
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| lbt | for standard maemo that'd take weeks of backporting a chain of libraries | 12:01 |
| Dieterbe | lbt> it may be crap to use (screen/keyboard/mouse) <-- can't you just use the same UI stuff as maemo then? | 12:01 |
| lbt | ah | 12:02 |
| lbt | I meant installing a non adapted application | 12:02 |
| lbt | eg trying to run Qt-designer on a tiny screen is insane | 12:02 |
| lbt | but it runs | 12:02 |
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| lbt | a lot of what Mer/maemo does is adapt UIs to make them work on small, touch devices | 12:04 |
| lbt | hence the interest in uzbl | 12:04 |
| lbt | the idea of a seperate touch UI 'controlling' it | 12:04 |
| lbt | and the idea of uzbl linking to the same DB as the contact mgr | 12:04 |
| Dieterbe | what issues do you have with the tear browser? my guess would be it's easier to hack on tear to integrate with your stuff then to use uzbl | 12:05 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, do you know why geany from extras doesn't have vkb? | 12:05 |
| lbt | quite possibly | 12:05 |
| lbt | Mer Extras? | 12:06 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, we're on #maemo :) | 12:06 |
| * lbt is lost | 12:06 | |
| lbt | Is there any chance it's using fremantle code? | 12:07 |
| slonopotamus | no idea | 12:07 |
| lbt | some apps are being ported towards fremantle and I think there are assumptions about a hw kb | 12:08 |
| lbt | otherwise, no, sorry | 12:08 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, doesn't h-i-m automagically work with everything gtk-based? | 12:08 |
| lbt | Dieterbe: I liked the idea of a controllable browser | 12:08 |
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| lbt | slonopotamus: yes, it should | 12:08 |
| slonopotamus | lbbt, well, it doesn't for geany :) | 12:09 |
| GnutOnMobile | hello | 12:09 |
| GnutOnMobile | Hi lbt | 12:09 |
| lbt | hey GnutOnMobile | 12:10 |
| lbt | I just started Mer-Qt last night | 12:10 |
| Dieterbe | lbt: uzbl is at this point very aimed towards keyboard control, there are no gui widgets and no mouse gestures and such | 12:10 |
| lbt | Dieterbe: ah, I was hoping it was 'socket' controlled | 12:10 |
| lbt | so no assumptions on input | 12:11 |
| lbt | you heard slonopotamus... we can't assume a keyboard and there are horrid hacks to fake X-events and the like | 12:11 |
| Dieterbe | lbt: yeah it is socket controlled | 12:11 |
| lbt | GnutOnMobile: I'd like to discuss the git branch Qt thing sometime when you're at a real KB | 12:12 |
| slonopotamus | lbt, ... if you need hacks, you're doing smth wrong :) | 12:12 |
| lbt | Dieterbe: so echo "scroll up" | uzbl | 12:12 |
| Dieterbe | lbt: scroll_vert <variable> | uzbl :) | 12:13 |
| lbt | yes | 12:14 |
| lbt | though there are challenges to make that 'sync' with precise finger movements | 12:14 |
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| Dieterbe | lbt: look at "command syntax" and "variables and constants" @ http://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl/blob/928fc65c34e8360e7019f4181530377cc6374432/README | 12:14 |
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| Qt_developer | Hello, I want to develop a QT application for n810 running maemo 4. I want the application to display a dynamically changing SVG, allow the user to annotate it using stylus and save it as SVG. Will this be feasible? | 13:14 |
| Qt_developer | no answers? | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | patience :) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, ping | 13:19 |
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| VDVsx | Qt_developer, seems doable for me, but I'm far from a Qt expert :) | 13:22 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: hi | 13:30 |
| lbt | ah, he's gone | 13:30 |
| lbt | QT_developer_: hi | 13:31 |
| QT_developer_ | hi | 13:31 |
| lbt | you've not gone then :) | 13:31 |
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| QT_developer_ | ya i m here. net connection is not good here. | 13:31 |
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| lbt | OK, so Qt on the tablet is as capable as Qt anywhere else | 13:31 |
| lbt | typically any Qt app will run on the tablet - the main concerns are UI | 13:32 |
| lbt | I don't see any issues at all doing what you want - other than writing the code ;) | 13:33 |
| QT_developer_ | lbt: ok, but I read on QT website that it supports only static SVG | 13:35 |
| QT_developer_ | *static tiny SVG | 13:35 |
| lbt | Ok, so you may need to discuss this on #qt --- I can tell you about Qt on maemo but not all of Qt :) | 13:36 |
| QT_developer_ | ok, thanks. and are there any existing packages to display svg on n810? does microb support it? | 13:37 |
| lcuk | Jayesh uses svg in his inkface thing: http://jyro.blogspot.com/2008/09/inkface-svg-based-gui-design.html | 13:39 |
| lcuk | not best performance wise, but shows it exists | 13:39 |
| QT_developer_ | ok. thanks for the link. | 13:40 |
| lcuk | mornin lbt \o | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | new blackberry has micro usb slot | 13:57 |
| crashanddie | meh | 13:57 |
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| radic | for what ist dbus-daemon? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | daemon for dbus? | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: hah, cool re eioffice | 16:06 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I think it's only a viewer... | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | still bloody useful | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | see http://www.evermoresw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=62 | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | mer should get in bed with those s101 guys really :P think there'd be a quite nice synergy | 16:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Interesting that they don't list the N8x0 (OK, S101) as supported | 16:10 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly what flashplayer deb is | 16:11 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Flash Player 7 | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | (according to a string, anyway...) | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:12 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I was hoping that it would say 10 =) | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that'd be leet :P | 16:13 |
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| Macer | my touchbook shipped! and it has a beta of google OS on it! i guess that's what always innovating is using! | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | google OS? :P | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | that's interesting | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Macer: What did they call it exactly? | 16:46 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: lol. i'm just joking. just wanted to get vaporumor out there | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: foo | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:46 |
| Macer | haha | 16:46 |
| Macer | sorry | 16:46 |
| * Jaffa thought you might have misread gOS ;-) | 16:46 | |
| Macer | i could have rolled with it | 16:46 |
| Macer | :) | 16:46 |
| Macer | maybe rendered a bunch of fake pics | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: did it ship though? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:46 |
| Macer | naw.. i'm still waiting lol | 16:47 |
| Macer | supposed to either this week or next | 16:47 |
| Macer | so (crossed fingers) | 16:47 |
| Macer | i am anxiosu to get a hold of it | 16:47 |
| Macer | this aspireone is driving me nuts on battery life | 16:47 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: did you preorder oen? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 16:47 |
| Macer | going to order one when you realize it's not fake? :) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm waiting with gadget purchases until i get a job after moving to poland | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | so we'll see where i end up | 16:48 |
| Macer | oh yeah. you're moving to the badwater poland :) | 16:48 |
| Macer | so you are moving blind huh? | 16:48 |
| Macer | no job lined up? | 16:48 |
| Macer | that's balsy. she must be very pretty haha | 16:48 |
| Macer | ballsy | 16:49 |
| Macer | there are some gorgeous polish women here in chicago. amazign how some of them keep their figure after having children but they manage to do it :) | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: well, i have opportunities but nothing manifested yet, but i do have about 10-20 days of holiday and savings so | 16:50 |
| Macer | yeah but 20 days is not much to gamble on finding a new good paying job in the middle of recessed poland ;) | 16:50 |
| Luke-Jr | why moving to poland? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: also, we have no rent | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | so that helps a lot | 16:51 |
| Macer | i mean you don't really think economic oppurtunity when you think Poland | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | tax's good | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:51 |
| Macer | yeah i'm sure it does | 16:51 |
| Macer | well. you don't really need to be a computer person | 16:52 |
| Macer | i'm sure poland has plenty of blue collar jobs | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: personal reasons mostly - i have an education where i can work whereever and my fiancee and soon to be wife (15 aug!) spent more time in .dk to be with me, so it's my time to repay the favour | 16:52 |
| Macer | you can always mix cement or work the fields ;) | 16:53 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: i c.. | 16:53 |
| Luke-Jr | I need to find a place with sane government | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | greenland? :P | 16:53 |
| Macer | after i graduated high school i worked at a chemical plant for 3 years | 16:53 |
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| Macer | it paid very well believe it or not.. but it was hard work | 16:54 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if he has some less noisy 2.5" hds in the basement | 16:54 | |
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| gomiam | hello everyone :P | 16:54 |
| Macer | noisy 2.5" drives? :) | 16:54 |
| Macer | that's kind of odd isn't it? | 16:55 |
| gomiam | is anybody able to use Google Maps with Maemo Mapper? | 16:55 |
| ShadowJK | didn't someone find a kilo of drugs in the greenland prime minister's home? :> | 16:55 |
| Macer | i guess my older ibm thinkpad had a pretty loud drive | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: yeah.. i have a old ibm hd in the laptop | 16:55 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: haha | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: do you blame him? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:55 |
| gomiam | Macer: not really. Current 2.5" drives will click while working. It's even in the manual. | 16:55 |
| ShadowJK | <cut poor joke about having to put up with you danes> | 16:55 |
| ShadowJK | cue* | 16:55 |
| Macer | gomiam: the ibm drive did more of a clunk than a click | 16:55 |
| gomiam | Macer: oh, that might be something else :D | 16:56 |
| Macer | no.. it worked | 16:56 |
| Macer | i still have it believe it or not | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | In soviet russia, you clunk the drive | 16:56 |
| gomiam | good. | 16:56 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: haha | 16:56 |
| Macer | gomiam: i horde stuff like that :) i never throw hardware out | 16:56 |
| gomiam | ShadowJK: in Soviet Russia, the clunk drives! | 16:56 |
| gomiam | :P | 16:56 |
| Macer | except old crt monitors just so i can slowly wipe out hong kong | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | you win :-) | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | slowly wipe out hong kong? | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | global warming? | 16:57 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: lol | 16:57 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: no.. "recycling" | 16:57 |
| gomiam | anyway, back to my question. Does anybody use Google Maps data for Maemo Mapper? | 16:57 |
| Macer | gomiam: i don't sorry | 16:57 |
| ShadowJK | I thought google maps data didn't work | 16:57 |
| Macer | can you even use google maps? | 16:57 |
| gomiam | ShadowJK: it used to work, but it doesn't any more, it seems | 16:57 |
| Macer | i thought it was against the lic | 16:57 |
| gomiam | (at least as far as I have tested) | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | I would suspect google blocked it pretty soon? | 16:58 |
| gomiam | I would need to tcpdump a bit more date to be sure :) | 16:58 |
| Macer | heh | 16:58 |
| Macer | google won't even let android download the damn maps | 16:58 |
| gomiam | ShadowJK: not too soon... I think it still worked in spring. | 16:58 |
| Macer | i was driving to cleveland and when i hit the boonies i was just a dot in the middle of nothingness on my g1 | 16:58 |
| gomiam | not that I'm too worried, I can always fallback on Open Street | 16:58 |
| Macer | thank god it had a compass | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | gomiam: go see talk.maemo.org threads | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, did you still have data connectivity.. | 16:59 |
| Macer | i don't know how the iphone 3g guys did it without a compass | 16:59 |
| * Macer grins | 16:59 | |
| Stskeeps | there's probably someone with same issue | 16:59 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: no | 16:59 |
| Macer | i lost it.. because i was in the middle of nowhere | 16:59 |
| gomiam | Stskeeps: will do... though the last time I checked there was no easy URL to drop on Maemo Mapper ;) | 16:59 |
| Macer | i had to drive like 40 miles before it picked up a gprs data signal from god only knows where | 16:59 |
| Macer | a secret military base in the middle of indiana? | 16:59 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, so the maps were blocked by the failure of your operator's coverage? :) | 16:59 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: yes | 17:00 |
| Macer | heh | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK | rather than google | 17:00 |
| gomiam | anyway, I must go see some Roman ruins in a bit. Thanks for taking the time to talk it over :) | 17:00 |
| Macer | but then i asked "why doesn't google maps just download the route so you don't need a data connection all the time?" | 17:00 |
| gomiam | have a nice afternoon (or morning or night, choose the one that applies) | 17:00 |
| gomiam | :P | 17:00 |
| Macer | and someone told me it was against the lic | 17:00 |
| ShadowJK | google maps on symbian also doesn't download in advance, but if you open it and scroll along your route it might stay in ram :) | 17:01 |
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| Macer | yeah | 17:01 |
| Macer | that crap sucks | 17:01 |
| Macer | and it doesn't adjust to speed either | 17:01 |
| Macer | i was goign like 90mph and it kept scrolling | 17:01 |
| Macer | because by default it gives you like 1 block at a time or something equally retarded but it isn't much | 17:01 |
| Macer | i had to zoom out in the middle of driving | 17:01 |
| Macer | i expected the zoom to adjust for speed unless you were nearing a turn or something | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | those are starting to be some pretty funky algorithms | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia maps works better in this regard :) | 17:03 |
| Macer | segment 14: CRC mismatch E173D4E5 != B4DC1CED | 17:05 |
| Macer | i always wondered.. if it knows what it's supposed to be why can't it just change it? | 17:05 |
| Macer | :) | 17:05 |
| ShadowJK | it knows what the sum is supposed to be, but it doesn't know what the individual numbers that make up the sum are supposed to be | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | therefore, if the sum is wrong, it concludes that the individual components of it must have an error | 17:06 |
| Macer | but there are only so many combonations of numbers that can result in the sum | 17:07 |
| Macer | combinations.. i'm eating combos :) | 17:07 |
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| Macer | waiting for my son to wake up | 17:08 |
| Macer | little guy has been sleeping forever | 17:08 |
| Macer | i should wake him up and see how he likes it | 17:08 |
| Macer | hahah | 17:08 |
| Macer | wake up.. wake up.... hello? hello? wake up?? you wake up? let's play... LET'S PLAY!!! | 17:08 |
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| derf | Macer: If you've got a 32-bit checksum, then you can make any byte sequence have the same checksum by changing just 4 bytes. Any 4 bytes. | 17:08 |
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| derf | So if you've got 8 bytes, that's already 4 billion combinations that have the same checksum. | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | [1294338.852927] hald[17538]: segfault at b7a85008 ip b7d81078 sp bfa2434c error 4 in libc-2.9.so[b7d0a000+15c000] | 17:09 |
| crashanddie | woops | 17:09 |
| derf | If you've got a block of any appreciable size, there's more possibilities than protons in the universe. | 17:10 |
| Macer | lol! | 17:10 |
| Macer | so you're saying a repair off of a crc wouldn't be practical through trial and error? :) | 17:10 |
| derf | Sure it would. You'd just need a much, much larger CRC. | 17:10 |
| RST38h | moo all | 17:11 |
| Macer | derf: sounds like the perpetual machine | 17:14 |
| Macer | trying to get more output than input | 17:14 |
| derf | No, by adding more bits to the CRC, you're adding more input. | 17:15 |
| Macer | at the cost of output | 17:15 |
| Macer | what is the point of having a 5G CRC for a 1MB file? :) | 17:15 |
| derf | You'd be able to correct a lot of errors. | 17:15 |
| Macer | lol! | 17:16 |
| derf | Including errors in the CRC itself. | 17:16 |
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| Macer | i'm using the google gears stuff | 17:16 |
| Macer | just to see what it looks like :) | 17:16 |
| derf | I mean, this is basically what NASA does for interplanetary communication. | 17:16 |
| derf | They use codes with a _lot_ of redundancy built in, because the error rate is high. | 17:16 |
| Macer | ok.. that is a very specialized reason to do so but i get your point ;) | 17:17 |
| derf | But this is also what RAID arrays do in configurations with redundancy. | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | EDGE just sends error codes until receiver says it has enough to reconstruct message :-) | 17:18 |
| derf | E.g., RAID5 uses an entire disk's worth of checksums. | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | CRC is very inefficient for actually correcting errors though, but it's fast for detecting errors | 17:19 |
| Macer | hm | 17:25 |
| Macer | terminal theme for gmail is neat | 17:26 |
| Macer | reminds me of a bbs | 17:26 |
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| Macer | hm | 17:29 |
| Macer | just noticed that google lets you rent more storage space | 17:30 |
| Macer | with the most being 400G for $500/yr | 17:30 |
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| Macer | hm | 17:55 |
| rkirti | ~burn cpu-hogging build tools :-( | 17:55 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over cpu-hogging build tools :-(, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 17:55 | |
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| Macer | don't do that | 18:00 |
| Macer | send them to your local recycling center | 18:00 |
| Macer | they will see to it chinese slave labor outside of hong kong can do something with it | 18:00 |
| rkirti | can't do that. It kills my cpu with both cores on 100% usage , but I need to work with it nonetheless | 18:02 |
| Luke-Jr | fail | 18:02 |
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| crashanddie | General question: if I mount my SD card in my blackberry under Linux, then pump some media on it, and upon disconnect of the USB cable to the phone, my handset says "Invalid Memory Card", followed by impossibility to mount under Linux (no partitions), impossibility to format from either Linux or handset | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | I'd say the card is toast, anyone agree with that standpoint? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | do you remember to unmount it properly under linux? :P | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | sure | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | completely? ubuntu mounts it automatically for me, which is a pain :P | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | sudo umount /dev/sdc* | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | usually takes care of it | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 18:08 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, dd if=/dev/sdc | sha1sum | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | do it twice, does it complete without error, does it produce same result? | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | next step woudl be to write an image and then compare the checksums :-) | 18:09 |
| ShadowJK | but that's a destructive test | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | dd: opening `/dev/sdc': No medium found | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | upon USB connection it says: [ 1290.684759] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk | 18:10 |
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| crashanddie | looks like it sees the reader but no card | 18:12 |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK, any further ideas? | 18:13 |
| GAN800 | Test it with 220. | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | 220? | 18:16 |
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| crashanddie | volts? | 18:16 |
| GAN800 | Why not? | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, well that looks properly broken | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | got any other readers? | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | well | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | short answer: no | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | long answer: corporate IP I can't talk about | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | well you know, trying different card in reader, trying different readers with card is basic troubleshooting process | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | I know | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | will have to go to the office to get other cards | 18:20 |
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| ShadowJK | try different reader too | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | will have to nick a couple of other blackberries | 18:23 |
| amr- | anyone here using doneit? | 18:24 |
| ShadowJK | and something else than a blackberry.. | 18:24 |
| crashanddie | can't say I've doneit | 18:24 |
| amr- | laff | 18:24 |
| amr- | it says it needs pygtk & glade | 18:25 |
| amr- | which im struggling to find | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, that might be trickier | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | anyway, if I don't speak to you guys anymore, I'm off to the Ukraine for a few demos/deployments and then off for 2 weeks of holidays :D | 18:25 |
| amr- | well this is annoying | 18:25 |
| crashanddie | So take care, and have fun! | 18:25 |
| amr- | i have to have the browser open and doing something | 18:25 |
| amr- | so that i can use ssh | 18:25 |
| amr- | is this a known problem/issue or something? | 18:26 |
| ShadowJK | i don't need that | 18:26 |
| amr- | my idle time for "wlan" is set to unlimited | 18:26 |
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| amr- | hmm | 18:26 |
| ShadowJK | and automatically connect? | 18:26 |
| amr- | this is rather RATHER annoying | 18:27 |
| amr- | uh, i dunno | 18:27 |
| amr- | it's connected | 18:27 |
| amr- | should i change the search interval? | 18:27 |
| ShadowJK | is this trying to ssh into tablet? | 18:27 |
| amr- | yes | 18:27 |
| ShadowJK | not out from tablet? | 18:27 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 18:27 |
| amr- | i'm ssh'd into the tablet right now | 18:27 |
| amr- | however, no data gets transferred unless im using the internet on the tablet somehow | 18:27 |
| ShadowJK | I would guess that lowering the beacon interval on your AP would help | 18:28 |
| amr- | it's always done this. it'll drop the connection after a while | 18:28 |
| amr- | oh? i'll give that a shot | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | since it's probably wifi powersaving causing tablet to appear absent for too long at a time or your computer giving up too soon | 18:28 |
| ShadowJK | or you could try disable powersaving on the tablet, I guess. It's in advanced when you edit a connection (but affects all connections) | 18:28 |
| amr- | i'll have a look at that now | 18:29 |
| amr- | thanks | 18:29 |
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| amr- | beacon interval is set to 100ms | 18:29 |
| amr- | aha, powersaving is on maximum | 18:30 |
| amr- | i wonder how much of an effect this will have on my battery | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | I think I have 40ms | 18:30 |
| ShadowJK | the effect is huge. | 18:30 |
| amr- | really? :x | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | I think idletime goes from being measured in days to being measured in hours | 18:31 |
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| amr_ | i forgot i was on wireless to | 18:31 |
| amr_ | hah | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | <ShadowJK> the effect is huge. | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | <amr-> really? :x | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | <ShadowJK> I think idletime goes from being measured in days to being measured in hours | 18:32 |
| ShadowJK | though I haven't tested :) | 18:32 |
| amr_ | ouch | 18:32 |
| amr_ | well it's struggling to connect atm | 18:32 |
| amr_ | :S | 18:32 |
| amr_ | reconnecting... | 18:32 |
| amr_ | still connecting. | 18:33 |
| amr_ | aha | 18:33 |
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| amr_ | battery is at 79% atm | 18:33 |
| amr_ | i'll see how long this lastas me | 18:33 |
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| amr | know of any decent getting started with python+gtk guides for maemo? | 18:35 |
| amr | i've found the one on pymaemo.garage.org | 18:35 |
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| * GAN800 wonders if it's the public library system that has confused people on the definition of non-fiction. . . . | 18:41 | |
| RST38h | probably not | 18:42 |
| lbt | religion | 18:42 |
| RST38h | blame the authors | 18:42 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, has nothing at all to do with authors. | 18:47 |
| GAN800 | lbt, nor that. | 18:47 |
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| GAN800 | By 'confusion', I mean asking for the 'non-fiction section' in a store with more than 500k books. | 18:48 |
| * lbt wonders how many people who use libraries are actually confused | 18:48 | |
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| napsy | Hello. Where can I get the openstreet database for maemo mapper on the net? Because mapper is downloading the levels too slowly. | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Oh, I meant somewhat different thing. | 18:54 |
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| GAN800 | RST38h, right. | 18:58 |
| GAN800 | A lot of people seem to mean biographies when they say 'non-fiction', but car repair manuals also qualify under the proper definition. | 18:58 |
| locutus | thats argueable | 18:59 |
| GAN800 | Unless you buy car manuals for imaginary cars, no. | 19:01 |
| * lbt agrees with locutus... and wonders if GAN has ever read a car manual whilst looking at a real car. The one being written about often sounds imaginary. | 19:07 | |
| GAN800 | Less arguable, but just as difficult to point to directly to would be humor or history. | 19:09 |
| GAN800 | lbt, yes, I have, but it's besides the point here. | 19:09 |
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| amr | developing with python over ssh is quite fun | 19:13 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Then I guess we have a case similar to the AM/FM thing | 19:16 |
| RST38h | GAN: Where the actual difference is the wavelength, not the modulation (both FM and AM can be used at any wavelength) | 19:17 |
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| amr | bladdyy hell | 19:36 |
| amr | with power saving off this thing is getting rather warm | 19:36 |
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| ShadowJK | amr, that should tell you the battery wont last very long :-) | 19:56 |
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| amr | heh | 20:12 |
| amr | i thought that | 20:12 |
| amr | so i plugged it in | 20:12 |
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| esaym153 | is there an esc key on the n810 keyboard? | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, back button on the top | 20:15 |
| esaym153 | Stskeeps: top right? | 20:15 |
| RST38h | the one with the back arrow | 20:15 |
| amr | that's backspace isn't it? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | that's esc | 20:16 |
| amr | oic | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | the one on the lcd part | 20:16 |
| amr | ohhhh | 20:16 |
| amr | i meant on the keyboard heh | 20:16 |
| esaym153 | Stskeeps: so it has an esc key but no backspace? | 20:16 |
| amr | not below app switcher | 20:16 |
| amr | esaym153, he means the hardware key | 20:16 |
| esaym153 | hmm | 20:16 |
| amr | on the front of the tablet, under the app switcher | 20:16 |
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| esaym153 | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/10/nokia-n810-hands-on-02.jpg | 20:17 |
| esaym153 | the curled arrow? | 20:17 |
| amr | yep | 20:17 |
| esaym153 | ok cool, I guess I can use vim then... | 20:18 |
| esaym153 | how does the cpu on the n810 compare with a 350mhz pentium 2? | 20:22 |
| esaym153 | better/worse? same? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | uses less power obviously | 20:22 |
| esaym153 | well I am talking about performance | 20:22 |
| amr | i have absolutely no idea | 20:23 |
| esaym153 | I am building an app and plan on getting a n810 | 20:23 |
| amr | sorry | 20:23 |
| esaym153 | trying to figure out how bloated I can make it .... | 20:23 |
| amr | heh | 20:23 |
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| esaym153 | runs fine on the 350mhz pentium II ... | 20:23 |
| slonopotamus | esaym153, 400mhz of n800 cpu is ~10 times slower than my desktop athlon 64 3000+ | 20:23 |
| esaym153 | well...that is not really a fair compare... | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | esaym153: which kind of app really? | 20:24 |
| esaym153 | app for taking notes | 20:25 |
| esaym153 | it is pretty simple | 20:25 |
| esaym153 | but I want it to be quick | 20:25 |
| slonopotamus | esaym153, it allows me to know how long things'll take. | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | esaym153: ah - seen xournal? | 20:25 |
| esaym153 | no... | 20:25 |
| esaym153 | Stskeeps: looks like it is for handwriting stuff? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | for instance, or text | 20:26 |
| Macer | ok | 20:27 |
| Macer | well... let me see about this new cable modem comcast just gave me | 20:27 |
| Macer | lol | 20:27 |
| Macer | and it's screeching eXtreme speeds | 20:28 |
| Macer | (extreme with a capital X) | 20:28 |
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| esaym153 | bbl | 20:29 |
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| Proteous | XTREEEEEEMMMMMM!!!!!111!!1eleven | 20:35 |
| Macer | lol | 20:35 |
| Macer | damn upstream sustains like 630K/s | 20:35 |
| Macer | that's not too bad.. it's more than twice as fast than it was goign :) | 20:36 |
| Macer | downstream seems the same though | 20:36 |
| Macer | but then again maybe i'm just trying to download from places that can't go 22mbit to 1 client? | 20:36 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:36 |
| Macer | let me try the speakeasy test or something | 20:38 |
| |thunder | hey guys, this is a general linux question. not maemo, although I have a n800 :). Do you know of a way to force an oss app "/dev/dsp" to use alsa ? | 20:38 |
| Proteous | trick question | 20:38 |
| Macer | heh | 20:39 |
| Proteous | of course any sound question on linux is a trick questino | 20:39 |
| Proteous | we won't fall for it | 20:39 |
| Proteous | you'll have to try somewhere else | 20:39 |
| Macer | doesn't alsa have /dev/dsp support? | 20:39 |
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| Macer | like i vaguely remember there being a setting for it in the kernel | 20:39 |
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| doc|home | yeah, oss something or other? | 20:39 |
| doc|home | er, ignore me | 20:39 |
| * doc|home goes back into his corner | 20:39 | |
| Macer | |thunder: but as far as getting "an oss app" | 20:40 |
| Macer | you might have better luck building the app with alsa support or finding a bin with alsa support or just finding a new app altogether | 20:40 |
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| * RST38h cackles evilly looking at http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/06/23/nokia_97_9.jpg | 20:43 | |
| RST38h | Can you imagine they screwed it up THIS bad? | 20:43 |
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| amr | that's just... terrible | 20:43 |
| Macer | well | 20:44 |
| Macer | speedtest.net has me at 30mbit down and 9.5mbit up | 20:44 |
| Macer | those sound like burst speeds | 20:44 |
| Macer | heh | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | |thunder, aoss? | 20:44 |
| GAN800 | Works on my 5800 | 20:44 |
| RST38h | 5800 does not have this...mm...problem | 20:45 |
| Macer | lol | 20:45 |
| Macer | the comcast cable modem isntaller guy | 20:45 |
| Macer | sat down at my opensolaris desktop | 20:45 |
| Macer | and asked "is this ubuntu? | 20:45 |
| Macer | and there was this giant opensolaris background with the symbol and "OPENSOLARIS" in giant letters | 20:45 |
| Macer | :) | 20:45 |
| RST38h | Macer: Wow! | 20:45 |
| Macer | god help me i had to bite my lip from laughing.. i just told him yes | 20:46 |
| Macer | haha | 20:46 |
| Proteous | lol | 20:46 |
| Macer | because all gnome is ubuntu | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Macer: They learned "Ubuntu"! When I called a couple of years ago, it went like that: "Do you have Windows?" -- "no." -- "Do you have a Mac then?" -- no. -- "We do not support Linux" -- "I do not have Linux" -- SCRIPT ABORTED, FORWARDING TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF SUPPORT | 20:47 |
| Macer | i mean it wasn't like a little opensolaris in the corner.. it was this huge bannerlike bold GIANT letters stretching across the screen.. and i even told him "it's opensolaris" .. and i guess he didn't understand me and was like "ubuntu is nice" | 20:47 |
| Macer | :) | 20:47 |
| Macer | deep inside my brain the mean side was screaming "AND THIS IS WHY YOU INSTALL FUCKING MODEMS!" | 20:47 |
| Macer | haha | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Why do they need a special guy to install modems, anyway? | 20:47 |
| amr | someone buy my nokia 6210 navigator | 20:47 |
| amr | i really don't like it | 20:47 |
| amr | the gps is rather good tho | 20:48 |
| Macer | RST38h: i don't know | 20:48 |
| Macer | i could have plugged it in myself | 20:48 |
| Macer | i guess it's a business line thing | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Probably | 20:48 |
| Macer | like the fact that i get a customer rep in 2 seconds | 20:48 |
| Macer | that's nice | 20:48 |
| Macer | worth the extra money just for that :) | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | How much extra though? | 20:48 |
| Macer | and it's an actual ... like.. no kidding.. AMERICAN tech support agent | 20:48 |
| Macer | no accent or anything :) | 20:48 |
| Macer | i pay 89/month | 20:49 |
| Macer | for 22/5 | 20:49 |
| * RST38h cares not about an accent, but hates dealing with human voice menus for an hour | 20:49 | |
| Macer | but had to lease for 24 months | 20:49 |
| Macer | RST38h: tehre are 3 ;) | 20:49 |
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| Macer | "english/spanish" | 20:49 |
| Macer | "tech/billing" | 20:49 |
| Macer | enter phone number | 20:49 |
| RST38h | So it is like +$40? | 20:49 |
| Macer | rep | 20:49 |
| Macer | it's $89/month for the internets | 20:50 |
| Proteous | the sad thing is , he gets a nasty letter when he downloads more then 50MB in a month | 20:50 |
| Macer | Proteous: no | 20:50 |
| Macer | that's why i got it ;) | 20:50 |
| Proteous | :P | 20:50 |
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| Macer | i got taht india indian call | 20:50 |
| Macer | from some guy telling me that unlimited use of the internet did not mean unlimited use of the bandwidth | 20:50 |
| Macer | for the life of me i just couldn't understand the difference | 20:50 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:50 |
| glass | thats why they make indians do the calls | 20:50 |
| Macer | so i just got a business line because there aren't any limits | 20:50 |
| * RST38h remembers a Washpost article about Indians calling US credit card holders to make them pay back the debt | 20:51 | |
| Proteous | they give you a 20mb connection but you can't use more then 768k at any one time | 20:51 |
| Macer | glass: i wasn't sure if he was actually trying to get me to understand their policy.. or to release my chakra | 20:51 |
| glass | because the indian guy calling doesn't understand the difference either | 20:51 |
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| glass | so he's a good negotiator | 20:51 |
| Macer | by telling me deep philosophical differences between things of the same thing | 20:51 |
| RST38h | glass: The indian guy is following the script | 20:51 |
| Macer | :) | 20:51 |
| Proteous | they are totaly spelled different | 20:51 |
| glass | RST38h: people they call to don't follow a script | 20:51 |
| Macer | Proteous: haha.. that's a res line | 20:51 |
| Macer | lol | 20:51 |
| RST38h | glass: Your ultimate goal is to make him reach a bullet in that script titled "Forward to upper level support" | 20:52 |
| Macer | like i said.. that's why i got rid of it :) | 20:52 |
| Macer | and got the business line and just pay the extra $ | 20:52 |
| Proteous | "I have been calling to you today so to speak with about bandwidth usages." | 20:52 |
| RST38h | glass: Yes, that is the funniest thing | 20:52 |
| Macer | i can have servers on mine ;) | 20:52 |
| Macer | it's wide open with 2 static IPs | 20:52 |
| Macer | and a rdns | 20:52 |
| Macer | heh | 20:52 |
| RST38h | glass: Imagine one of these Indians, making $500/month, calling Americans and pestering them to pay off their credit card debts | 20:52 |
| glass | RST38h: look, i'm fixing code from 3 indians right now | 20:53 |
| RST38h | glass: Imagine what it does to the Indians, too, that is the most interesting part =) | 20:53 |
| glass | RST38h: i know what it does, i smoke cigs with the indians that work here in our corp.. | 20:53 |
| glass | they're so fucking lost in finland | 20:53 |
| RST38h | glass: Yes, but those guys live in India | 20:54 |
| glass | but so are many finnish people so it's not that big of a deal | 20:54 |
| glass | RST38h: i was the first guy to talk to this bunch of indians | 20:54 |
| glass | RST38h: when they came over | 20:54 |
| Macer | hahahahah | 20:54 |
| RST38h | glass: Ah, possibilities boggle the mind =) | 20:54 |
| glass | got me some hand rolled indian cheapo cheaapo cheap cigs a lot for free | 20:54 |
| glass | (they taste nice sometimes..) | 20:55 |
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| glass | but are really shit | 20:55 |
| glass | cheaper than factory cigs in india though | 20:55 |
| glass | so that tells a lot about the place | 20:55 |
| glass | cheaper to put a guy to roll cigs for their whole life than to invent a cig rolling machine | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | glass: An Indian friend once said that at large factories a couple of people get stampeded to death every week when everyone boards the buses at the end of a workday | 20:57 |
| Macer | damn wonder woman is hot in justice league | 20:57 |
| Macer | lol | 20:57 |
| glass | RST38h: well depends on factory | 20:57 |
| RST38h | glass: It is considered normal though | 20:57 |
| glass | RST38h: if it's producing anything from 20th century then they probably don't get killed.. as they can read | 20:57 |
| glass | RST38h: only 11% has papers of identification.. came up on news last week | 20:58 |
| RST38h | glass: Ah, that was the piece about a nation-wide ID | 20:58 |
| RST38h | The one with cute colored squares all over? | 20:58 |
| glass | dunno, i don't remember what the article looked like | 20:58 |
| glass | hmm | 20:59 |
| glass | yeah | 20:59 |
| glass | that | 20:59 |
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| glass | but imagine elections in a country with only 11% of people registered | 20:59 |
| RST38h | glass: I do not think they will be any better than elections in some countries with 100% of people registered | 21:00 |
| Luke-Jr | let's abolish elections ;) | 21:00 |
| doc|home | mob rule for the lose :( | 21:00 |
| doc|home | democracy means people have to understand stuff, people don't so we end up with whatever moron the general population like the best (e.g. Obama/Bush) | 21:01 |
| RST38h | doc: Actually, results seem to show that US population is far from being morons | 21:02 |
| Proteous | My favorite elections are the ones where they get 135% voter turnout | 21:02 |
| doc|home | RST38h: I'm not talking about solely the US. | 21:02 |
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| doc|home | those are just obvious examples of idiots getting elected | 21:02 |
| RST38h | doc: Lots of other places too | 21:02 |
| RST38h | doc: Starting with the same Iran, if you want an extreme example | 21:03 |
| doc|home | RST38h: then I think we might differ on what defines "morons" :) | 21:03 |
| doc|home | RST38h: sure | 21:03 |
| Proteous | MORANS!! | 21:03 |
| doc|home | Proteous: hehe, Moran is a last name in Ireland :) | 21:03 |
| Proteous | heh | 21:03 |
| Proteous | it's also an internet meme, for people misspelling it when try to call other people one | 21:04 |
| doc|home | aye | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Proteous: Yea, that is what morons call other people on the Net | 21:04 |
| Proteous | heh | 21:04 |
| doc|home | sadly, at the end of the day, 60% of people making the wrong decision still binds the rest of us to the decisions the half-wit they elect makes | 21:04 |
| doc|home | although that's just of the voting population, which is about 50% of the entire population on a good day in most countries. So... 30% of the population make the rules | 21:06 |
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| Macer | wow | 21:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Idiot Engadget | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | N770 | 21:23 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/18/nokia-files-for-cseries-trademark-but-whats-it-for/ | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Engadget is hilariously biased against Nokia. | 21:24 |
| Luke-Jr | haha | 21:25 |
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| Macer | so maybe the "C" stands for "computer." Of course, it could also stand for "crap," so we've just got to wait and see what becomes of this little moniker. | 21:31 |
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| Macer | any "publication" that has a story like that by one of its actual writers? :) | 21:32 |
| Macer | is like reading FHM | 21:32 |
| Macer | haha | 21:32 |
| Macer | their word is just blahblahblah. | 21:32 |
| Macer | i think a nokia netbook would be pretty awesome | 21:33 |
| Macer | heh | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | i really don't see why they would go into that market though | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | and why it makes sense from business pov :P | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | except if they were arm, else it's nokia branding | 21:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, well, I'm betting they think they can do the ARM/Linux combo better. | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'course, the whole Intel partnership murks up that water a bit. | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | now, if it was hybrid x86 and ARM.. :P | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | $$$$ | 21:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe Intel's gearing up to manufacture ARM stuff again. ;) | 21:38 |
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| RST38h | General: No. | 21:42 |
| RST38h | Actually, Intel is still manufacturing some ARM stuff, just not consumer electronics chips | 21:42 |
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| Macer | Couldn't connect socket 49 to 255.255.255.255, port 45107 | 21:54 |
| Macer | lol | 21:54 |
| Macer | how awesome is that? | 21:54 |
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| wazd | damn, I can't feel my legs :( | 23:22 |
| Stskeeps | you didn't escape the army? | 23:22 |
| lcuk | :( does your artist hand still work tho? | 23:22 |
| wazd | I had a 50km bike ride today :) | 23:23 |
| lcuk | o_O | 23:23 |
| RST38h | ehehe | 23:23 |
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| wazd | Gizmodo quote: Normal mirrors reflect light back at a 90-degree angle | 23:26 |
| wazd | after that stuff I can't take their materials seriously :) | 23:27 |
| |thunder | lol | 23:27 |
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| RST38h | wazd: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/18/1658211/We-Were-Smarter-About-Copyright-Law-100-Years-Ago?from=rss | 23:30 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Read and weep for the world we have lost | 23:30 |
| RST38h | And will only get back if we sacrifice several million lawyers to the Tentacled One | 23:30 |
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| esaym | fellows, yes or no; should I buy the n810? | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | if you can hang on a couple of months i think it'd be worth it | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | unless you're going for the price level | 23:34 |
| lbt | in a couple of months the used price will be down | 23:34 |
| lbt | buy now from someone here ;) | 23:35 |
| esaym | Stskeeps: don't want to spend more than $200 | 23:35 |
| esaym | on anything | 23:35 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough, then go for the n810.. the next device will probably be >200$ | 23:36 |
| esaym | Stskeeps: yea like $700... | 23:36 |
| RST38h | Sts: If he hangs any longer, he won't be able to buy N800. Or N810 for this matter | 23:36 |
| wazd | esaym: next device will be much more advanced than the iPhone 3G S | 23:36 |
| wazd | esaym: how much will it cost do you think? | 23:36 |
| RST38h | Ah by the way | 23:36 |
| esaym | wazd: I don't need advanced, I need some pda to put my note taking app on | 23:37 |
| RST38h | Speaking of "advanced", http://regmedia.co.uk/2009/06/23/nokia_97_9.jpg | 23:37 |
| wazd | esaym: then n810 is the right choice :) | 23:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: wtf is that?) | 23:37 |
| esaym | how long will nokia keep making the n810? | 23:37 |
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| lbt | haven't they stopped already? | 23:38 |
| esaym | lbt: you could still buy from their store a few days ago | 23:38 |
| lbt | ah selling != making | 23:38 |
| esaym | hmm | 23:39 |
| lbt | don't ask me | 23:39 |
| esaym | hmm | 23:39 |
| lbt | I don't keep up with that kind of thing :) | 23:39 |
| Luke-Jr | esaym: no | 23:40 |
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| esaym | Luke-Jr: yes! | 23:41 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 23:41 |
| esaym | I can't find anything better, or cheaper | 23:41 |
| Luke-Jr | http://cgi.ebay.com/SHARP-ZAURUS-SL-C860-PDA-POCKET-NETBOOK-ACCESSORIES_W0QQitemZ130318659677QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_comp_laptop?hash=item1e5798f05d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:12|66:2|39:1|72:2150|293:1|294:50 | 23:41 |
| Luke-Jr | $62 | 23:41 |
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| Luke-Jr | do note he's false advertising, though | 23:44 |
| Luke-Jr | it has 128 MB SSD internal | 23:44 |
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| esaym | Luke-Jr: I don't know. I have looked at those before. It still has a few days left plus I want wifi | 23:48 |
| esaym | it will probably end up going for $150 plus. Might as well just fork out the cash for the n810 and get a truly superior product | 23:48 |
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| esaym | oh says it comes with wifi hmm | 23:48 |
| esaym | but still, I bet it goes for over $150 | 23:48 |
| Luke-Jr | I highly doubt it | 23:48 |
| Luke-Jr | and it doesn't come with wifi | 23:48 |
| Luke-Jr | not internal anyhow | 23:49 |
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| esaym | that thing is 5 years old... | 23:49 |
| Luke-Jr | esaym: indeed | 23:49 |
| Luke-Jr | but if it's for typing, far superior to N810 | 23:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: That is N97 virtual keyboard afaik | 23:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: + address book search facility | 23:53 |
| wazd | RST38h: eeek :) | 23:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: the weirdest part is, similar 5800 stuff is just fine | 23:54 |
| wazd | RST38h: it worked too well and they fixed it, it's obvious :) | 23:57 |
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