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| EdLin | Luke-Jr: emerge pizza and wait 48 hours. | 00:28 |
| Luke-Jr | ew | 00:28 |
| Luke-Jr | Domino's is faster than that | 00:28 |
| EdLin | apt-get pizza will get it to you in 5 minutes or less. ;-) | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | ow, burn | 00:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Domino's? Gross. | 00:30 |
| * Stskeeps prefers the local turkish/pakistani pizza places | 00:30 | |
| lcuk | edlin, apt-get pizza has dependencies on $cash | 00:30 |
| auntieNeo | uh, I'm trying to partition this memory card to add swap, but whenever I unmount it maemo decides to mount it again instantly... | 00:30 |
| lcuk | which cannot be resolved from my repository :( care to share yours? | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | kill ke-recv, auntieNeo | 00:30 |
| EdLin | lcuk: lol | 00:31 |
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| auntieNeo | Stskeeps: it will not die T_T | 00:31 |
| auntieNeo | oh, crashed it :( | 00:32 |
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| auntieNeo | this is impossible | 00:38 |
| Stskeeps | ke-recv stop | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | in etc/init.d | 00:39 |
| auntieNeo | aparently ke-recv is in my PATH | 00:39 |
| Stskeeps | /etc/init.d/ke-recv stop | 00:39 |
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| auntieNeo | thanks | 00:41 |
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| Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: only Domino's has bacon pizza | 00:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | only dodo has bacon on their pizzas? | 01:04 |
| crashanddie_ | Dammit, where do you live? | 01:04 |
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| Luke-Jr | crashanddie_: I am held hostage by the evil state of Nebraska. | 01:05 |
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| auntieNeo | Nebraska? never heard of it ;P | 01:13 |
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| xnt14 | Luke-jr, xDDD | 01:18 |
| xnt14 | Stskeeps, | 01:18 |
| * xnt14 preferes pakistani food | 01:18 | |
| GAN800 | Luke-Jr, what a piss poor justification. | 01:18 |
| xnt14 | pakistani food ftw! xD | 01:18 |
| GAN800 | Also, crashanddie_, usuk. | 01:18 |
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| * xnt14 goes back to figuring out why wmii doesn't respond to the mod key | 01:19 | |
| crashanddie_ | GAN800, you suck! | 01:19 |
| Macer | lame | 01:19 |
| Macer | touch books are going to come out like friggin popcorn hour boxes | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | nou! | 01:19 |
| xnt14 | xD | 01:19 |
| Macer | where you have to preorder on batches | 01:19 |
| Macer | bastards | 01:19 |
| Macer | so i guess i should see mine in like 2 months | 01:20 |
| Macer | blah | 01:20 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN800, why do I suck? | 01:20 |
| Macer | they better put some more chinese slave labor on it | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, just because. | 01:20 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, and? | 01:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and what? | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nothing more to justify it? | 01:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm allowed to be as arbitrary as I want. :P | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | not cool | 01:21 |
| * GeneralAntilles goes to dinner. | 01:21 | |
| crashanddie | arrogant guy answer: "Yeah I know, I'm hot" | 01:21 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, choke on a bone | 01:21 |
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| Macer | hahahhaa | 01:21 |
| GAN800 | Yes, sir! | 01:21 |
| Macer | he probably weighs like 500lbs with acne and heart problems at 30 while going bald | 01:22 |
| Macer | like in southpark where they are like "I don't know but he must be one badass dude." | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | Macer, you talking about who, exactly? | 01:22 |
| auntieNeo | half of the people on IRC? | 01:23 |
| Macer | GeneralAntilles | 01:23 |
| Macer | auntieNeo: hahaha | 01:23 |
| Macer | yeah that too | 01:23 |
| Macer | :) | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | nha, cuz I just find it ironic to have exactly that auntieNeo, a guy on IRC, quoting south park, dissing anyone else ;) | 01:23 |
| Macer | lol | 01:23 |
| Macer | crashanddie: we don't all look like that :) | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | Macer, yeah, save face while you can | 01:24 |
| Macer | crashanddie: lol! | 01:24 |
| Macer | i'm only 430.. not 500 | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | GA is probably one of the more healthy looking guys on this channel | 01:24 |
| Macer | and my doctor says with this headcream he gave me i should be able to keep most my hair | 01:24 |
| auntieNeo | ugh... I weigh like under 100lbs guys ;P | 01:24 |
| auntieNeo | I'm the skinny geek type | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | auntieNeo, that either means you're a dwarf or would fit in nicely in Nigeria | 01:25 |
| Macer | haha.. i'm 6'3" and weigh like 185 | 01:25 |
| Macer | althoguh since i quit smoking i put on a couple more lbs in just a couple days | 01:25 |
| Macer | haha | 01:25 |
| auntieNeo | I probably weigh like 120-130 | 01:25 |
| Macer | at 3'5" :) | 01:25 |
| Macer | haha | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | hahaha | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | 1'10 | 01:26 |
| Macer | like an umpa lumpa | 01:26 |
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| Macer | crashanddie: that would be awesome | 01:26 |
| auntieNeo | I'm probabaly almost 6' or something... | 01:26 |
| Macer | damn | 01:26 |
| Macer | you are really skinny haha | 01:26 |
| crashanddie | 6' shorter than shakeel o'neil? | 01:26 |
| Macer | jesus | 01:26 |
| Macer | crashanddie: haha | 01:26 |
| auntieNeo | nah, I haven't measured myself in ages... | 01:26 |
| auntieNeo | I'm probably 5'5" or something | 01:27 |
| Macer | 120 at 6' is like.. starving 3rd world nation skinny | 01:27 |
| auntieNeo | yeah, that would be bad ;P | 01:27 |
| Macer | damn 5-5 is short haha | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | auntieNeo, you black? | 01:27 |
| auntieNeo | huh? I have no idea what my height is tba ;P | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | what am I thinking, nha, there's no black people on IRC | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | tba? To be awful? | 01:28 |
| Macer | crashanddie: thre are a lot of black people :) | 01:28 |
| Macer | some black people i used to work wtih a whie back are on irc | 01:28 |
| Macer | granted we were computer techs but it's true.. black people ARE on irc :) | 01:28 |
| auntieNeo | I meant tbh ;P | 01:28 |
| Macer | i mean they are as rare as black hockey players.. but still | 01:28 |
| auntieNeo | racism? on my freenode? :( | 01:29 |
| Macer | lol | 01:29 |
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| crashanddie | it's like white guys playing for the england cricket team | 01:29 |
| Macer | that's not racism | 01:29 |
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| auntieNeo | sexism I can deal with... but racism? | 01:29 |
| auntieNeo | what about the steve erkal type geeks? :( | 01:29 |
| Macer | that's statistical truth :) | 01:29 |
| crashanddie | just doesn't exist, only paki :) | 01:29 |
| * locutus raises a paki hand | 01:29 | |
| crashanddie | locutus, play cricket? | 01:30 |
| Macer | wtf is a paki? | 01:30 |
| locutus | crashanddie: no | 01:30 |
| Macer | like a pakistani? | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | Macer, pakistani | 01:30 |
| Macer | oh | 01:30 |
| Macer | i thought that was what the british called black people or something | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | Macer, it's a pretty non-polite word for indian/pakistani people | 01:30 |
| Macer | like calling a cigarette a fag | 01:30 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: why the fuck am I not on there then. oh right, I be bullshit at it | 01:30 |
| locutus | crashanddie: it amusingly enough means "pure" literally | 01:30 |
| Macer | crashanddie: like calling native americans indians? | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | locutus, oh really? | 01:31 |
| Macer | locutus: lol ironic isn't it? | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | locutus, that's the best thing ever! | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | i'm going to call everyone paki now | 01:31 |
| Macer | pakistanis are offended when you call them pure? | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | unless they're a slut | 01:31 |
| locutus | crashanddie: 'pakistan' means 'land of the pure' as well | 01:31 |
| crashanddie | locutus, I did not know that | 01:31 |
| Macer | why are people offended then when they are called a paki? | 01:31 |
| locutus | crashanddie: paki == cure, stan == land | 01:31 |
| Macer | cure or pure? | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | Macer, nha, but there was this big thing in the UK because one of the princes called "a brown mate" "paki" (quoting from the press) | 01:32 |
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| locutus | s/cure/pure | 01:32 |
| locutus | typo | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | everyone was outraged and everything, pretty hilarious tbh | 01:32 |
| Macer | crashanddie: haha | 01:32 |
| lcuk | macer, its not the word, its the context its usually spat out at. same with any word. you can say "fuck" in polite conversation and get away with it | 01:32 |
| Macer | so they were outraged because the princess called someone pure? | 01:32 |
| Macer | :) | 01:32 |
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| Macer | i mean if someone called me pure i'd be flattered | 01:33 |
| Macer | i'm going to start calling people pure from now on | 01:33 |
| lcuk | its not meant as pure tho | 01:33 |
| Macer | lcuk: fuck is an obvious word | 01:33 |
| Macer | pure is not | 01:33 |
| Macer | i mean unless being called pure is a cultural thing :) | 01:33 |
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| crashanddie | Macer, it's like when a black guy calls another black guy "nigger", or when you do, the difference is when you do, you should ask yourself the following questions: is that guy a friend? is that guy going to punch me? is that guy holding a 9mm? | 01:33 |
| Macer | pure you bitch! | 01:33 |
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| Macer | yeah but calling someone pure is like calling them black :) | 01:34 |
| Macer | crashanddie: hahaha | 01:34 |
| Macer | i mean i doubt if i walked up to a pakistani in chicago and said "he's a pure" | 01:34 |
| Macer | that it would be a big deal :) | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | again | 01:34 |
| Macer | lol | 01:34 |
| lcuk | how could i make nanosleep actually stay asleep | 01:34 |
| Macer | wtf is nanosleep? | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, while (1) nanosleep(1000) | 01:35 |
| * lcuk rephrases | 01:35 | |
| lcuk | how could i make nanosleep actually stay asleep until its period is up | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | ? | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | define:period | 01:35 |
| lcuk | i tell it to sleep for the balance of 40ms | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | you mean it gets interrupts? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | lets say 26ms | 01:36 |
| lcuk | most of the time its great | 01:36 |
| lcuk | and works | 01:36 |
| lcuk | but sometimes it returns early | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | interrupts | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | means you had an event | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | catch it and call it again | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | oh | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | not C++ :P | 01:37 |
| lcuk | cant i just leave the event in the queue | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | nha, that's the whole point of sleep | 01:37 |
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| lcuk | so once there is an event in the queue nothing will stay asleep | 01:38 |
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| crashanddie | basically, make a new function asleep(long t) { long start = microtrime(), length = 0; while((length = microtime - start) < t) sleep(length); } | 01:39 |
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| crashanddie | err | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | asleep(long t) { long start = microtrime(), length = 0; while((length = microtime - start) < t) sleep(t - length); } | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | you get the idea | 01:40 |
| lcuk | thats what i thought nanosleep was meant to do itself lol | 01:40 |
| johnsq | lcuk: sleeps all wakeup on signals, this is wanted you can send signals to wakeup | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | The nanosleep() function causes the current thread to be suspended from execution until either the time interval specified by the rqtp argument has elapsed or a signal is delivered to the calling thread and its action is to invoke a signal-catching function or to terminate the process. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | static int __nsleep(const struct timespec *req, struct timespec *rem) | 01:41 |
| lcuk | { | 01:41 |
| lcuk | struct timespec temp_rem; | 01:41 |
| lcuk | if(nanosleep(req,rem)==EINTR) | 01:41 |
| lcuk | return __nsleep(rem,&temp_rem); | 01:41 |
| lcuk | else | 01:41 |
| lcuk | return 1; | 01:41 |
| lcuk | } | 01:41 |
| lcuk | apologies for code | 01:41 |
| lcuk | but thats what i have now | 01:41 |
| lcuk | but its still returning early | 01:41 |
| * xnt14 wonders why the hell is the mod key not responding to m-enter but it responds to m-a argh!!! | 01:41 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, you're not initialising tmp_rem | 01:42 |
| johnsq | lcuk: while! you must loop | 01:42 |
| lcuk | recursion | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | johnsq, no he doesn't | 01:43 |
| lcuk | tmp_rem is initialized within | 01:43 |
| lcuk | not outside | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, but you're not passing anything | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, why use rem when it doesn't have a significant value anyway? | 01:43 |
| lcuk | im passing the rem result from the first call back into the second call | 01:43 |
| johnsq | lcuk: aua, recursion not seen | 01:43 |
| lcuk | rem is set if nanosleep returned early | 01:43 |
| lcuk | and result is set to EINTR | 01:44 |
| lcuk | then used in the recursive call | 01:44 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, so only the first call to nanosleep can populate rem? | 01:44 |
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| lcuk | yeah, the second call *shouldnt* touch or need it | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | fair enough | 01:45 |
| lcuk | thats only if something within that second call interupted | 01:45 |
| lcuk | but im seeing results way outside the timing expected | 01:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, what's the value of EINTR? | 01:46 |
| lcuk | dunno, tis a define buried away in headers | 01:46 |
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| lcuk | i never created it | 01:46 |
| johnsq | lcuk: I always use gettimeofday to get the remainder | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, try if(nanosleep(req,rem) != -1) | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | err | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | no | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, try if(nanosleep(req,rem) != 0) | 01:47 |
| lcuk | changed to: | 01:49 |
| lcuk | if(nanosleep(req,rem)==-1 && errno == EINTR) | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | fairy nuff | 01:49 |
| * lcuk sees where i went wrong with that, but it still returns early | 01:49 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk, what value are you passing? | 01:50 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, does it always return early? | 01:50 |
| lcuk | no | 01:50 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, do you get a EINTR when it returns early? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | meant to, just checking now | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | this is awesome | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | now this is true "remote debugging" | 01:52 |
| crashanddie | don't even need to look at the code, modify or recompile it, just bounce ideas | 01:52 |
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| lcuk | 23:49:41 sleeping 61 | 01:53 |
| lcuk | 23:49:42 sleeping 45 | 01:53 |
| lcuk | 23:49:42 sleeping 59 | 01:53 |
| lcuk | i made it so it should only go at 10fps | 01:53 |
| lcuk | so it was waiting till then was up | 01:54 |
| lcuk | normally its fine | 01:54 |
| lcuk | and with debug prints it is too | 01:54 |
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| lcuk | cos that slows it down | 01:54 |
| lcuk | but sometimes at the end of a cycle it goes to 30fps :@ | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | sorted, from outside | 01:57 |
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| lcuk | :D | 01:58 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, thanks for pointers | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | np | 01:59 |
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| Macer | welp | 02:05 |
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| Macer | have to do it | 02:05 |
| Macer | have to install cygwin on the xp netbook | 02:05 |
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| javispedro | don't, install interix and you'll have made bill gates a little happier | 02:05 |
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| locutus | its actually faster to | 02:06 |
| lcuk | install android on it | 02:06 |
| javispedro | is -mthumb really any faster on a n8x0? | 02:11 |
| lcuk | depends what you are doing | 02:12 |
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| javispedro | python itself seems compiled with -mthumb | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | the opcodes run at exactly the same speed i believe, however because the size of each opcode_tuple on *PC is 16bit (isntead of normal32bit) you gain by reading twice as many instructions per long | 02:13 |
| lcuk | obviously, with thumb you only have a very limited range of opcode params available | 02:14 |
| javispedro | like, no conditional adds and all that arm magic | 02:14 |
| lcuk | yeah, the full32bit opcodes allow all kinds of strange combinations | 02:15 |
| javispedro | i've already resorted to disassembling but my arm knowledge is sadly lacking | 02:15 |
| lcuk | what are you attempting? | 02:15 |
| javispedro | i didn't notice it was thumb until I saw how most opcodes were 2 bytes | 02:15 |
| javispedro | some random function calling breakage I got with a python extension | 02:15 |
| lcuk | yeah, thumb is more inline with what a "normal" compiler would be optimized towards | 02:16 |
| lcuk | it would take serious foo to optimally use all of arm | 02:16 |
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| Macer | damnit | 02:36 |
| Macer | i like the size of this aspireone but i hate having to charge it so often | 02:36 |
| Macer | it's a pain | 02:36 |
| Macer | i just want my touch book already :( | 02:36 |
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| xnt14 | modeselect maintenance slevel=6 reason="System Maintenance" | 02:44 |
| xnt14 | argh!!! | 02:44 |
| * xnt14 hates synergy now xD | 02:44 | |
| javispedro | synergy as in "Synergy is a software application for sharing a keyboard and mouse between multiple computers." ? | 02:46 |
| Luke-Jr | GAN800: wtf? | 02:49 |
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| javispedro | now I understand why every gcc's -mdo-something option has a -mdon't-do-that counterpant... they were thinking in the python extension build system | 02:52 |
| javispedro | s/counterpant/counterpart/ | 02:53 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: now I understand why every gcc's -mdo-something option has a -mdon't-do-that counterpart... they were thinking in the python extension build system | 02:53 |
| javispedro | nice typo | 02:53 |
| javispedro | why I hate thumb | 02:54 |
| javispedro | compiling with -mthumb-interwork -mno-thumb makes my problem go away | 02:55 |
| javispedro | is there any reason thumb hates functions with > 7 args? apart from thumb hating me of course | 02:55 |
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| javispedro | as usual, no way to reproduce in a simpler test case | 02:59 |
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| prak | any developers in here for maemo apps? I'm wondering about some recommendations on getting started as I'm confused about something in the maemo sdk site | 03:00 |
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| camahueto | Hi | 04:06 |
| camahueto | to all | 04:07 |
| caotic | hi | 04:09 |
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| camahueto | does anyone here has used bluemaemo with KBluetooth4? | 04:11 |
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| Luke-Jr | camahueto: wtf? | 04:17 |
| Luke-Jr | I don't think KBluetooth4 has any Maemo code | 04:17 |
| camahueto | yeah, I know | 04:18 |
| camahueto | I mean has anyone connected a Maemo device (namely a N810) using bluemaemo, with a kde4 device using kbluetooth4? | 04:18 |
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| camahueto | because I can't, everytime I try to connect the devices, Kbluetooth4 can't find the Bluemaemo one | 04:20 |
| camahueto | I'm looking at it as an input/keyboard device | 04:21 |
| Luke-Jr | oh, I see | 04:21 |
| Luke-Jr | I was confused because my N810 has KDE 4 :þ | 04:21 |
| camahueto | ohh, IC | 04:21 |
| camahueto | I wan't to use the n810 as a remote control | 04:22 |
| camahueto | but I have that particular problem | 04:22 |
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| camahueto | well anyway | 05:01 |
| camahueto | when I try using the shell | 05:01 |
| camahueto | it says "Can't get device information: Host is down" | 05:01 |
| camahueto | just the same problem this guys describes: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-05-04.log.html | 05:02 |
| camahueto | (look for blue maemo) | 05:04 |
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| camahueto | ok, bye | 05:16 |
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| b-man16 | ~nuke boredom | 06:08 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at boredom ... B☢☢M! | 06:09 | |
| jason__ | b-man16, I have many maemo-related problems you could try to solve to alleviate boredom. | 06:10 |
| b-man16 | ok :) - but i dont have access to my tablet atm :( | 06:10 |
| b-man16 | it's being repaired | 06:11 |
| jason__ | I have AGPS installed at it works pretty well, but don't have a cellphone data connection. If I know I'm going somewhere, can I download the assist data beforehand and then use it when I get there? | 06:11 |
| b-man16 | i think so | 06:13 |
| xnt14 | hi! | 06:13 |
| b-man16 | hi!!! :D | 06:13 |
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| ShadowJK | jason__, the assist data is valid for a certain general location for about 30 minutes or so :P | 06:17 |
| ShadowJK | if I've understood it correctly | 06:18 |
| jason__ | I don't suppose I can get the orbit data for the GPS satellites and compute my own assist data for a (location,time) | 06:19 |
| ShadowJK | well... | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | Some parts of the data do remain valid for longer periods of time | 06:22 |
| ShadowJK | but we don't know how long the GPS chip/drivers cache it | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | and if it doesn't, then it'll download the data from the satellites themselves | 06:23 |
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| RST38h | ...illegally brewed or "country-made liquor", as it is called in India, is made with jaggery [unrefined palm sugar], alum and aluminium chloride. | 07:26 |
| finn | delicious | 07:29 |
| Macer | someone needs to make a google video chat app for an n800/n810 | 07:32 |
| Macer | heh | 07:32 |
| jason__ | Can the camera be used from /dev/video0 as a normal V4L device? | 07:33 |
| RST38h | no | 07:33 |
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| johnxx | RST38h, yes | 07:42 |
| johnxx | it's a normalish v4l2 device IIRC | 07:42 |
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| johnxx | Macer, is there even one for desktop linux? | 07:42 |
| Macer | johnxx: i doubt it haha | 07:43 |
| Macer | but it would be awesome :) | 07:43 |
| Macer | it works amazingly well in xp and osx | 07:44 |
| johnxx | last time I looked, they didn't have one for mac even, but I'm not sure if that's still the case | 07:44 |
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| xnt14 | guys are there docs on how to write a control panel applet? | 07:56 |
| Luke-Jr | Macer: wtf? | 07:57 |
| johnxx | xnt14, here maybe? http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/maemo-control.html | 07:57 |
| Luke-Jr | Diablo's thing did video | 07:57 |
| xnt14 | thanks :) | 07:57 |
| johnxx | eep | 07:57 |
| johnxx | sorry, I read too quickly | 07:57 |
| johnxx | that's not it at all ... | 07:57 |
| johnxx | I swear I saw it somewhere | 07:57 |
| xnt14 | its ok :P | 07:58 |
| Macer | Luke-Jr: wtf? | 07:58 |
| Macer | wtf? | 07:58 |
| xnt14 | is it possible to write hildon home panel applets in python? | 07:59 |
| johnxx | xnt14, I was under the impression that homeip did this | 07:59 |
| xnt14 | ill get the source ;) | 07:59 |
| johnxx | or the "binary" :) | 07:59 |
| xnt14 | xD | 08:00 |
| xnt14 | yup | 08:00 |
| johnxx | I assume you've seen this page? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/ | 08:01 |
| xnt14 | not that exact page, but the subsections. yes ;) | 08:02 |
| xnt14 | :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18705 | 08:03 |
| johnxx | the pdf here has references to control panel applets, desktop applets: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ | 08:03 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 08:05 |
| xnt14 | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node7.html#SECTION00770000000000000000 :) | 08:08 |
| xnt14 | but thats c :/ | 08:08 |
| Luke-Jr | C pwns u | 08:08 |
| xnt14 | well I know a little c, but I prefer python.... | 08:08 |
| Luke-Jr | fail | 08:08 |
| johnxx | hmm, trying to remember which plugin does it in python though.. | 08:08 |
| xnt14 | luke-jr, stfu | 08:08 |
| johnxx | xnt14++ | 08:08 |
| xnt14 | im not int the mood | 08:08 |
| xnt14 | xD | 08:08 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: FAIL | 08:08 |
| xnt14 | /opt/xs/bin/setvar luke-jr = "FAIL" | 08:09 |
| Luke-Jr | omg, extra fail 4 u | 08:09 |
| johnxx | setvar? O_o; | 08:09 |
| xnt14 | my set of tools im working on ;) | 08:10 |
| xnt14 | unity | 08:10 |
| Luke-Jr | FAIL | 08:10 |
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| xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/unity/ | 08:11 |
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| xnt14 | luke-jr, Please Kindly STFU, Thank you. xD | 08:11 |
| Luke-Jr | NO U | 08:11 |
| johnxx | xnt14, woo! that is noble effort indeed | 08:11 |
| xnt14 | rm -rf luke-jr | 08:11 |
| xnt14 | :) | 08:11 |
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| Luke-Jr | xnt14: 404 | 08:12 |
| xnt14 | its not stable yet, so no release xD | 08:12 |
| xnt14 | and this code is old xD, I need to update it :P http://github.com/xnt14/Unity/tree/master | 08:13 |
| Luke-Jr | VAPOURWARE! | 08:13 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: lrn2scm! | 08:13 |
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| xnt14 | just stfu k? | 08:14 |
| Luke-Jr | NO U!! | 08:14 |
| xnt14 | hmm http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg14686.html | 08:14 |
| xnt14 | ok guys i have to go to sleep, see you all tomorrow | 08:17 |
| johnxx | 'night xnt14 | 08:17 |
| johnxx | good luck with the project | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | morning qwerty12 | 10:36 |
| qwerty12 | g'morning Stskeeps | 10:36 |
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| johnx | mornin' qwerty12 | 10:39 |
| johnx | how's your summer going? | 10:39 |
| qwerty12 | hey johnx, where you been? I'm good thanks, how is yours? | 10:40 |
| johnx | pretty good | 10:40 |
| johnx | lots of work, lots of real life | 10:40 |
| johnx | not much hacking as of late | 10:40 |
| johnx | compiling a new kernel on my wii though | 10:40 |
| qwerty12 | Lol, my Wii stays unused. I should try Linux on it though at least :) | 10:41 |
| johnx | well, I'll tell you where I get to :) | 10:42 |
| johnx | the latest developments on it are quite interesting | 10:42 |
| qwerty12 | The last thing I installed on it was that dodgy version of The Homebrew Channel that didn't support SDHC cards :) | 10:43 |
| johnx | if you're not up to the latest nintendo firmware update than I think it's really easy to install the newer hbc with sdhc support and bootmii | 10:44 |
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| qwerty12 | My Wii is too new to install BootMii as boot2 so I had to install the IOS (which makes it good as a flash dumper, and not for much else to be honest) but I couldn't use the power/reset keys to control BootMii | 10:46 |
| johnx | :( | 10:47 |
| johnx | so the newest wiis can't run linux at all? | 10:47 |
| qwerty12 | Oh, they can (I used BannerBomb to downgrade to 3.2), just not BootMii. (Technically, they can run BootMii but not really as a recovery solution) | 10:48 |
| johnx | ah, got it | 10:48 |
| qwerty12 | Which kinda makes it pointless, but good to have if anyone ever makes programs that uses the full control of the hardware that BootMii can give :) | 10:49 |
| johnx | I think that's mini... | 10:49 |
| johnx | that's what the newer wii-linux kernels are using | 10:49 |
| johnx | they still support IOS though it seems | 10:49 |
| qwerty12 | Ah, good, otherwise I'd be left out in the cold :) | 10:50 |
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| RST38h | moo all wii hackers | 10:52 |
| johnx | m00f RST38h | 10:52 |
| qwerty12 | lol, m0() RST38h | 10:52 |
| johnx | did they make you president of all intel after your incredible managing? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | moo RST38h | 10:53 |
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| RST38h | johnx: No, but at least they did not fire me. | 10:56 |
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| johnx | so it went that well? :) | 10:57 |
| johnx | reminds me of the first UPS-test at my current work... | 10:57 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 10:59 |
| qwerty12 | g'morning Jaffa | 11:00 |
| X-Fade | jeremiah_: ping? | 11:00 |
| RST38h | johnx: Worked out ok, although it was busy like hell | 11:01 |
| johnx | heh, so not exactly like my case. :P lesson learned: if a UPS says it can run 9 minutes on battery given the current load it is not safe to assume it can run for at least 4 minutes | 11:01 |
| RST38h | If UPS says *anything*, it means "save and shutdown" | 11:04 |
| Macer | hm | 11:04 |
| Macer | can someone explain the concept of a vpn to me? | 11:04 |
| RST38h | And it does not really matter what your UPS says | 11:04 |
| RST38h | Macer: it is a tunnel, a secure point to point connection | 11:04 |
| johnx | RST38h, yeah, well getting the core servers down in an orderly fashion proved to take longer than 4 minutes | 11:04 |
| Macer | does it run off one port? | 11:04 |
| Macer | well.. i mean does it use an inbound tcp port | 11:05 |
| RST38h | Macer: That serves to route all your traffic to the other end of the connection | 11:05 |
| RST38h | Yes, it uses an inbound port | 11:05 |
| Macer | and this is encrypted? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | can be | 11:05 |
| RST38h | it is encrypted | 11:05 |
| johnx | most VPNs are | 11:05 |
| Macer | hm | 11:05 |
| Macer | i think i need to make one :) | 11:05 |
| RST38h | Otherwise there is no reason to have vpn | 11:05 |
| johnx | it's kind of silly to *not* encrypt it | 11:05 |
| Macer | heh.. i've never done it before | 11:05 |
| Macer | johnx: i figured | 11:05 |
| Macer | how is the vpn treated on the client side? | 11:05 |
| Macer | as a part of the local network? | 11:05 |
| RST38h | it looks like a network driver | 11:06 |
| RST38h | a network device really | 11:06 |
| Macer | meaning i'd be able to use smb while being connected to the vpn over the internets | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: ipv6 tunnelling? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:06 |
| johnx | yeah, it has a route set for it | 11:06 |
| RST38h | Macer: yea | 11:06 |
| Macer | hm | 11:06 |
| Macer | ok.. that makes sense | 11:06 |
| Macer | :) let me see if i can set this crap up | 11:06 |
| johnx | the ipv6 reachable internet is your own private network? | 11:06 |
| Macer | although i'm sure it would be easier if i were at the house | 11:06 |
| * RST38h can't get a real IP address because the provider insists on the VPN | 11:06 | |
| Stskeeps | johnx: if you're megaloninac(sp) enough | 11:07 |
| Macer | well.. let me see about setting it up on the xp netbook first | 11:07 |
| Macer | then i wil have to open the port when i get home and set it up on the other end | 11:07 |
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| Macer | what about using a dns? | 11:08 |
| Macer | can you set the vpn to use the local dns that you would use on site? | 11:08 |
| johnx | yeah, of course | 11:08 |
| Macer | meaning would the vpn look at the local ip dns over the vpn and allow you to connect "locally" in order to access servers on the other end as though they were on a local subnet? | 11:08 |
| johnx | you just perfectly described the purpose of a good VPN | 11:09 |
| Macer | ok. thanks for the help :) | 11:09 |
| Macer | johnx: haha sorry | 11:09 |
| Macer | i honestly never used one before | 11:09 |
| Macer | i have no idea of the concept at all | 11:09 |
| jason__ | Macer, it's as if you plugged in to a network cable at the target network. | 11:09 |
| johnx | well, you seem to get it | 11:09 |
| Macer | jason__: yeah.. that's what i was wondering actually | 11:09 |
| Macer | :) | 11:09 |
| Macer | that's what i need actually | 11:10 |
| johnx | but it has all the weirdness of having 2 network cables plugged in to 2 different networks | 11:10 |
| Macer | johnx: yeah that's what i was wondering also | 11:10 |
| Macer | i would be on a vpn/local subnet while using my phone tethered to tmobs internets | 11:10 |
| Macer | that is where i get a little confused as to how things work on the client | 11:11 |
| jason__ | johnx, true, although generally the vpn client sets the routes so that everything that leaves the computer that would go over the interface that made the vpn connection goes through the vpn connection. | 11:11 |
| johnx | fair enough | 11:11 |
| Macer | yeah. because i don't think xforwarding over ssh is meant to go high speed | 11:12 |
| Macer | because ff hardly runs | 11:12 |
| Macer | figured i could just set up a vpn to use vnc "locally" | 11:12 |
| johnx | ff is pretty bad at remote display | 11:12 |
| Macer | and still keep it encrypted | 11:12 |
| johnx | nx might be better really | 11:12 |
| johnx | cuts down on round trips or somesuch | 11:12 |
| Macer | i was thinking of setting up ssh tunnels | 11:12 |
| Macer | but then figured why bother doing that when i can just treat it as though it were local | 11:13 |
| Macer | and not require the ssh connection if i set up a vpn? | 11:13 |
| jason__ | My impression is that ssh -X performance is CPU-limited at least as much as it is bandwidth-limited. | 11:13 |
| Macer | jason__: well. i'm doing this over a tethered phone | 11:13 |
| Macer | so i think my problem is bandwidth more so than cpu | 11:13 |
| johnx | I was under the impression that the biggest problem was latency | 11:13 |
| Macer | locally the xp netbook and server work fine | 11:13 |
| Macer | that too i suppose | 11:14 |
| jason__ | I did not mean to give the impression I knew what I was talking about. I should probably go to sleep. | 11:14 |
| Macer | with my 400ms phone haha | 11:14 |
| Macer | jason__: lol | 11:14 |
| Macer | good night | 11:14 |
| johnx | jason__, nah, you're mostly right :) | 11:14 |
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| johnx | good night though :) | 11:14 |
| johnx | either CPU speed or latency or bandwidth might be the bottleneck in different parts of the same remote X session | 11:15 |
| Macer | well. this is something that a vpn+vnc might be able to fix ;) | 11:15 |
| johnx | or nx | 11:16 |
| Macer | and keep my data safe while using unencrypted vnc | 11:16 |
| Macer | never used nx | 11:16 |
| Macer | but for now i have to figure out how to set up the vpn stuff in xp | 11:16 |
| Macer | :) | 11:16 |
| johnx | nx is an x server designed to improve the experience of running X11 applications over slow/high latency links | 11:17 |
| Macer | oh | 11:18 |
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| Macer | http://www.demo.com/demonstrators/demo2009/165388.html | 11:29 |
| Macer | theys how a little bit of the "revolutionary os" on the touch book | 11:29 |
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| Macer | as well as the actual device insides | 11:30 |
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| johnx | Macer, nice catch :) | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it just xfce with compiz or something? :P | 11:33 |
| johnx | sshhh...don't spoil it | 11:33 |
| Corsac | yes they use xfce | 11:33 |
| Corsac | well, he | 11:33 |
| johnx | seriously though, I couldn't care less which linux comes on it to start with | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | just as long as it's hackable? ;) | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: we have Mer on http://yourfamily.o2.co.uk/o2familyjoggler now too | 11:34 |
| Corsac | the pre-orders are open if you want | 11:34 |
| johnx | my rule is to only have one omap3 device pre-ordered at a time | 11:34 |
| Corsac | :)) | 11:34 |
| Corsac | that's a good rule | 11:34 |
| johnx | that joggler thing's kinda interesting | 11:35 |
| johnx | but probably not for me | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | it's basically EFI bootload | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | er | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | on x86 | 11:37 |
| johnx | aah | 11:37 |
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| Macer | hm | 11:38 |
| Macer | i think i need to set up an ssh tunnel right now | 11:38 |
| Macer | damnit | 11:38 |
| Macer | :) | 11:38 |
| Macer | and i think i accidently left compiz on.. maybe i can just rm my .gnome config | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: so we finally got tested if touchscreen detection works on x86 | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: , and it does | 11:39 |
| Macer | oh wait. no i don't heh | 11:39 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: yeah haha | 11:39 |
| Macer | well.. actually i don't think it's compiz | 11:39 |
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| Macer | it looked a little more choppy in its movement than i thought though | 11:39 |
| Macer | but we'll see when i get my vaporbook | 11:39 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ahaha. I should get back and fix that ugly hack though *cough* | 11:40 |
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| johnx | I'll pay up as soon as I have the $400 kicking around and *after* at least one 3rd party is holding a final device | 11:40 |
| johnx | anyways, going on 2AM here. 'night | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | nini | 11:41 |
| Macer | well | 11:44 |
| Macer | setting up the xp client for a vpn was retardedly easy | 11:44 |
| Macer | haha | 11:44 |
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| Macer | now i just have to get home and hope my comcast router can do this crap for me | 11:45 |
| Macer | or if i have to forward it somewhere that can | 11:45 |
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| Macer | hm | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 12:00 |
| andre__ | heja | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | how's it going? | 12:00 |
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| andre__ | quite okay... gran canaria desktop summit, long weekend, now catching up with lotsa mail :-/ | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i'm preparing slowly for debconf and cleaning up the house before the miss comes home | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a couple of bug reports we fixed in Mer now, you can probably mark them as fixed then I guess | 12:03 |
| lbt | jeremiah_: ping | 12:07 |
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| RST38h | "It is also Dual Core so a 1.5Ghz Atom should (in theory) run about the same as a 3.75GHz P4." | 13:23 |
| jaska | emphasis on the word theory?:) | 13:23 |
| RST38h | Ah, those Internet theorists... | 13:23 |
| RST38h | Atom vs P4 is still an interesting comparison though | 13:24 |
| RST38h | 2.4GHz P4 has a PassMark=329. 1.6MHz N270 has PassMark=306 | 13:27 |
| X-Fade | Mhz? | 13:28 |
| glass | which p4 variant... | 13:29 |
| glass | or atom for that matter | 13:29 |
| RST38h | glass: N270 for the Atom, P4 type not stated | 13:30 |
| glass | RST38h: you know the type that make those comparisions on forums? cheapasses who've lusted after a p4 for 5 years | 13:30 |
| RST38h | glass: This data is not from the forums. See http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html | 13:31 |
| glass | but fast cpu's are nice. i recently digged up moray and povray :) | 13:31 |
| RST38h | glass: I am just considering replacing P4 based mdia box with an Atom based one | 13:31 |
| glass | coupled with which gpu solution? | 13:32 |
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| RST38h | glass: Current one has S3 video, so you can safely say "no GPU" | 13:33 |
| glass | hehe | 13:33 |
| RST38h | glass: It manages to play videos though...well, mostly | 13:33 |
| glass | for non-hd stuf.. even a xbox1 does a fine job | 13:33 |
| RST38h | glass: I do want it to play up to 1280x768 though | 13:34 |
| lcuk | you should get something better than s3, perhaps we could send you a CGA adapter | 13:34 |
| glass | lcuk: yeah cga! digital baby! just like dvi! | 13:34 |
| jaska | i have a mda somewhere... but its integrated into the mobo | 13:34 |
| lcuk | jaska, but its integrated because its SO fast you will never need to upgrade | 13:35 |
| lcuk | how much room does the 16kb of memory take? | 13:35 |
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| glass | 2.4 sq ft | 13:35 |
| lcuk | wow, you got double density stuff! | 13:36 |
| lcuk | that musta costalot | 13:36 |
| RST38h | glass: ferrite cores? | 13:36 |
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| glass | RST38h: hmm. bumps on a wax cylinder | 13:36 |
| lcuk | bumps? you have a thermal writer? most use scratches and chips | 13:37 |
| glass | lots of nose goblins | 13:37 |
| glass | would make for an intresting art project i suppose | 13:38 |
| RST38h | delay lines filled with whisky | 13:38 |
| jaska | lol | 13:38 |
| jaska | memory loss would occur | 13:39 |
| jaska | in more than one way | 13:39 |
| RST38h | But it gives "core dump" a whole new meaning... | 13:40 |
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| aquatix | jummy core dumps | 13:46 |
| aquatix | now that's an interesting take to it | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, glass ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZLYBGPU_c0 | 13:53 |
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| RST38h | Cthulhu rising: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3614/info-flot.2d/0_33923_d2a22782_orig | 13:56 |
| qwerty12 | Wow. After all the terrifying descriptions of him, I'd have never expected to see such a sweet looking thing. | 13:57 |
| RST38h | early stage of development, all babies are cute you know... | 13:59 |
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| thux | i heard mainline kernels will support n8x0 devices, but when? | 14:32 |
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| sarower | hello all, Can i use clutter library for open GL support for "Desktop Widget" development? | 14:36 |
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| lbt | thux http://kvalo.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/n800n810-support-to-mainline-kernels/ | 14:41 |
| lcuk | sarower, dunno, certianly not for n8x0 | 14:42 |
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| sarower | then where i can use that? | 14:46 |
| sarower | lcuk: in normal application? | 14:46 |
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| konttori__ | you can use it on any device that has fremantle on it | 14:47 |
| konttori__ | sarower: ^ | 14:48 |
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| konttori__ | And before you have on in your hands (many of us have protos), you can develop on the fremantle SDK | 14:49 |
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| sarower | konttori__: That means i can use for "Desktop Widget" (Home screen applet) development...! | 14:49 |
| konttori__ | sure. | 14:49 |
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| sarower | konttori__: do you have any sample or source? | 14:50 |
| konttori__ | Of clutter -> homescreen applet? | 14:50 |
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| sarower | konttori__: yes | 14:50 |
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| konttori__ | nope. I would really want to make one too. | 14:50 |
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| konttori__ | Hmm.. perhaps I can experiement a bit. | 14:50 |
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| sarower | konttori__: but how you are sure about that... | 14:51 |
| konttori__ | Any python devs here? Anyone tried making clutter app to home screen? | 14:51 |
| sarower | ? | 14:51 |
| konttori__ | well, at wors you can render the clutter to offscreen buffer and replicate that to the applet | 14:51 |
| konttori__ | so, there is at least a workaround. | 14:51 |
| konttori__ | you would loose quite a bit of fps on that though | 14:52 |
| konttori__ | Dunno if this could be used: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/python_hildon_manual/html/hildonobjects.html#remotetexture | 14:52 |
| konttori__ | would be really nice to have someone make an example of using that. | 14:53 |
| konttori__ | sarower: do you have the time to experiement on that? | 14:55 |
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| sarower | i am thinking... | 14:57 |
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| konttori__ | remote texture is of course also available exactly the same on c side. | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | konttori__, it would help people i think if there were some maemo oriented clutter examples that people could tinker with on their desktop | 15:07 |
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| konttori__ | sure. otoh, you should be able to use clutter as-is. | 15:08 |
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| konttori__ | but yeah, there should definitely be something to help to get started. | 15:08 |
| lcuk | yes, i know the library is the same on desktop and tablet, but having something they can pull in as "fremantle clutter test" helps to put context to that before they create an overloaded masterpiece | 15:08 |
| konttori__ | sure. | 15:08 |
| konttori__ | I want to test it out myself (never done it), so if/when I get the hello world done, I'll make a post | 15:09 |
| lcuk | and only you guys know the practical limits and can give a reasonable boundary for what can and cannot be feasibly achieved with the horsepower | 15:09 |
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| * lcuk makes a 27 layer HD ready super clutter app and wonders why it crawls on anything slower than a 4ghx | 15:10 | |
| Macer | what ports does vpn use? | 15:11 |
| Macer | my comcast business router doesn't have built in vpn | 15:11 |
| Macer | but i'm guessing maybe i can forward it to my ddwrt wifi router | 15:11 |
| Macer | and do it that way. should go fast enough to handle it | 15:11 |
| lcuk | hey konttori__ i found out at weekend, my lenovo thinkpad has accelerometers built in! | 15:11 |
| konttori__ | lcuk: cool | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the harddisk | 15:11 |
| konttori__ | I suppose most do these days | 15:12 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, yeah well i didnt know lol | 15:12 |
| lcuk | but on ubuntu there is a driver which maps the accel data into the standard joystick input device | 15:12 |
| lcuk | rather than having a specific custom /dev api | 15:12 |
| Macer | i mean will i have to make an actual vpn server or something to get this working? | 15:13 |
| Macer | that would kind of suck :) | 15:13 |
| lcuk | i wonder if something would be possible with maemo - that way we could just use games as is | 15:13 |
| Macer | or put some type of vpn stuff on my shell box? | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | Macer, dunno, never messed with vpn | 15:13 |
| konttori__ | wonderful. there are not python bindings yet available for clutter in maemo repository | 15:14 |
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| konttori__ | It's listed here: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation_fremantle.html | 15:17 |
| konttori__ | I need to nudge those guys | 15:17 |
| thomas1 | Hello, I have a question. Regarding my pidgin. It keeps disconnecting my MSN account. And -most of the times- it doesn't connect again. Is this a known problem, with a solution? Or am I the only one that has those problems. | 15:17 |
| thomas1 | I'm using pidgin 2.5.1 | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | konttori__: It is in extras-devel | 15:18 |
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| X-Fade | konttori__: python-clutter 0.8.0-1maemo1 | 15:18 |
| konttori__ | hmm... refreshing now. | 15:20 |
| konttori__ | cannot find it using apt. odd. | 15:21 |
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| konttori__ | X-Fade: it's there only for i386 architecture | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | konttori__: Yeah, that is where you can test it? ;) | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | konttori__: There are officially no devices yet, so ;) | 15:26 |
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| konttori__ | well. i dont like testing on anything but on a real device | 15:29 |
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| konttori__ | especially when doing something 3d, how else to test perf. | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | konttori__: Well, we all would like to test on the real device too ;) | 15:30 |
| konttori__ | well... you can... soon enough | 15:31 |
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| X-Fade | konttori__: It is never soon enough.. | 15:32 |
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| wazd_n800 | heya everyone | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably never at this rate | 15:33 |
| konttori__ | hmmph. if you would work on the os, it's never late enough... | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | Hehe | 15:34 |
| konttori__ | power management and tuning takes a lot of time. getting things polished. | 15:35 |
| * Jaffa wants to test his Horizon app with some real accelerometers. | 15:35 | |
| lcuk | jaffa lenovo x41 | 15:36 |
| lcuk | powersave mode is 600mhz | 15:36 |
| konttori__ | use some usb accelo on n810 | 15:36 |
| lcuk | and its got clutter | 15:36 |
| lcuk | its just a big daddy tablet | 15:36 |
| konttori__ | hmm.. I'll make something else then until the clutter stuff is available | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | heh konttori__ i said that last year :p liqbase is lookin nice and slick on just about everything i try it on | 15:49 |
| lcuk | (too fast infact, i had to implement framerate limiting on the x41! | 15:49 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk konttori__: you provide me USB accelerometers on an N810, or an X41, and I'll do that. Otherwise I'll semi-patiently whine about getting a new device ;-) | 15:55 |
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| Macer | damnit | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, my point about hte laptop is *many* laptops have them built in now (hard drive thingy) its not just the one specific model | 16:00 |
| lcuk | your existing one might already have it.. | 16:01 |
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| hendry | what tool from the command line takes screenshots on the display? | 16:04 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I thought they were very crude ones to detect inertial shocks; not user-land exposed accelerometers. | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | they're pretty good ones really :P | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | i was impressed with accuracy of my gf's laptop | 16:12 |
| GAN800 | Depends on the laptop. | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | (ibm) | 16:12 |
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| GAN800 | Either way, they're hardly convenient for that sort of thing. | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | better to have *something* usable and testable in your hands than nothing, i was genuinely hsocked to find out they existed at weekend when kotczarny told me | 16:14 |
| Jaffa | Can't find any info on how Dells expose the ones from the HDD. Suggestion seems to be that it's entirely within the HDD controller | 16:16 |
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| Jaffa | /disk | 16:16 |
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| hendry | is there maemo package for libwebkit-1.0-1 somewhere? | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | i think bundyo's may count | 16:30 |
| glass | Jaffa: theres very good sensors in some macs and lenovos | 16:30 |
| glass | Jaffa: it's to detect free fall to send the hd to sleep | 16:31 |
| glass | well/not sleep, heads off the discs | 16:31 |
| glass | park.com | 16:31 |
| glass | Jaffa: they can be used to play games like neverball (monkeyball clone) | 16:31 |
| RST38h | "Apple's biggest challenge will be convincing its huge installed base of iPhone owners that they need a MacPad too." | 16:31 |
| RST38h | biggest challenge, hehe | 16:31 |
| glass | RST38h: notice how they don't even think that someone without an iphone would buy one | 16:32 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: They've announced a MacPad, or is this theoretical windblowing? | 16:32 |
| Corsac | windblow | 16:33 |
| Corsac | though engagdet has some rumors too: | 16:33 |
| Corsac | http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/13/apples-9-7-inch-netbook-to-debut-in-october-for-800/ | 16:33 |
| * Jaffa sees it on /. | 16:33 | |
| Corsac | s/gd/dg/ | 16:33 |
| Corsac | yep | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: another leak | 16:34 |
| RST38h | glass: ah they do not mention it because they do not doubt it :) | 16:34 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: Hi | 16:44 |
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| lbt | hi fiferboy | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | hey, lbt | 16:51 |
| fiferboy | I'm waiting to see the raster performance after the latest build completes (ARM is done building) | 16:52 |
| lbt | you don't know any debian packaging gurus do you? | 16:52 |
| fiferboy | I think jeremiah_ is the Maemo deb guy, but there might be some others in this channel | 16:53 |
| lbt | he is. He's not around atm though | 16:53 |
| fiferboy | What's the packaging problem? | 16:53 |
| lbt | trying to build cross-compile system for Mer/OBS | 16:54 |
| lbt | the Qt git tree looks a bit of a mess | 16:56 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: I don't pretend to understand it | 16:57 |
| lbt | 3 commits have the same patch+message: The original code assumes 24bit color, but NIT is 16bit | 16:57 |
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| fiferboy | 3 separate commits? Or the same commit being applied to three different branches? | 16:58 |
| lbt | a commit is contextual | 16:58 |
| lbt | same patch to 3 branches | 16:58 |
| fiferboy | But do they have different commit numbers? | 16:59 |
| lbt | commit sha depends on the sha of the parent... | 16:59 |
| fiferboy | Ah, gotcha | 17:00 |
| fiferboy | Is the issue that it was applied to more than one branch? | 17:00 |
| lbt | yes | 17:01 |
| lbt | it should have been applied to one branch | 17:01 |
| fiferboy | Right, I can see that. | 17:01 |
| lbt | and then merged into each of the 'distro' branches | 17:01 |
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| lbt | this way there may as well be 3 seperate repos which have the same patches applied to them | 17:02 |
| fiferboy | I see your point... | 17:02 |
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| Macer | ugh | 17:08 |
| Macer | i'm on hold with comcast | 17:08 |
| Macer | because of their stupid router/modem/firewall | 17:08 |
| Macer | that totally sucks ass | 17:08 |
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| Macer | hm | 17:20 |
| Macer | well | 17:21 |
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| Macer | this is going to totally screw me short term haha | 17:22 |
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| hendry | what version of maemo is 5.2008.43-7 ? Diablo? | 17:39 |
| GAN800 | It's one of the Diablo releases, yes. | 17:39 |
| hendry | I asked that person to try Webkit, however this link doesn't work http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/install/libwebkit-1.0-1.install | 17:40 |
| hendry | am I missing something? | 17:40 |
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| andre__ | hendry, define "doesn't work" | 17:45 |
| hendry | andre__: "Application package not found" error | 17:46 |
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| hendry | i can't find the deb package on search either | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | use apt-get | 17:47 |
| qwerty12 | This boils down to categories. Bottom line: apt-get install. | 17:47 |
| andre__ | probably because it's a library and not an application | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, they want to deorbit ISS in 2015 | 17:56 |
| RST38h | An unusual way to solve the crew delivery problem, indeed... | 17:57 |
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| ShadowJK | iss is in a stupid orbit :) | 17:58 |
| Macer | ugh | 17:59 |
| Macer | wtf | 17:59 |
| Macer | why can't this stupid vpn let me browse the web | 17:59 |
| Macer | using a local dns | 17:59 |
| Macer | actually | 17:59 |
| Macer | it's not the dns.. it's getting the ips | 17:59 |
| Macer | it's almost like it doesn't want me to use the gateway or something | 17:59 |
| Macer | hm | 18:01 |
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| dneary | Is there any way to get diffs mailed to me every time a MediaWiki page is changed, instead of simply a notification that it's changed once, which I won't get again until I re-visit the page? | 19:10 |
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| coldboot | dneary: Click the "watch" tab on the page. | 19:28 |
| coldboot | dneary: Making sure that you're logged in and have your email address set properly. | 19:29 |
| dneary | coldboot: That will send me one mail, the first time someone changes the page, with a notification of time & person - no diff. | 19:29 |
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| dneary | And it doesn't send anything for subsequent changes before I go back | 19:29 |
| coldboot | dneary: That's retarded. | 19:29 |
| coldboot | dneary: What a useless feature. | 19:29 |
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| dneary | The idea is to let you know that there are changes - then you go back & look & see what they are. | 19:30 |
| coldboot | Maybe you can configure it in your account, or perhaps it's a global MediaWiki setting. | 19:30 |
| coldboot | dneary: Yeah that's lame and insufficient, why would anyone want that redundant step when they've already had to read an email? | 19:30 |
| dneary | coldboot: ask mediawiki... | 19:30 |
| coldboot | I hate it when stupid Facebook makes you go to the page to reply. Similar thing. | 19:30 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: Ping? | 19:34 |
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| woglinde | jo florian | 19:36 |
| VDVsx | dneary, pong | 19:37 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Just wondering what your timezone is | 19:37 |
| VDVsx | dneary, UTC -1, in the summer | 19:38 |
| dneary | OK - Portugal time? | 19:39 |
| VDVsx | dneary, yup | 19:39 |
| VDVsx | dneary, same as in UK | 19:39 |
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| dneary | I'm in France, UTC+2 (I believe you're UTC+1, not -1) | 19:39 |
| dneary | Cool | 19:39 |
| dneary | How does 9am Thursday suit you for a proposals chat, then? | 19:40 |
| * RST38h moos at whoever he hasn't mooed today | 19:40 | |
| lbt | mediawiki is crap at notifications | 19:40 |
| VDVsx | dneary, yah that's it, my bad | 19:40 |
| lbt | I want "mail me whenever anything changes" | 19:40 |
| fiferboy | lbt: The changes in 4.5.2-1maemo2 make fingerscrolling smooth again | 19:40 |
| lbt | I was looking at merging them into Mer Qt | 19:41 |
| woglinde | fiferboy yes the bad commit was found | 19:41 |
| RST38h | Mental Note: ldrsh != ldrhs, and the one that DOES NOT sign-extend is actually ldrsh | 19:41 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I only arrive at home at the noon :(, but let me see | 19:41 |
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| dneary | lbt: Me too, that's what I want | 19:42 |
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| fiferboy | I am trying coldboot's flicker fix (but OSK break) to see if that affect table view scrolling performance | 19:42 |
| RST38h | Mental Note 2: GNU ARM Assembler sucks moose balls, may the Tentacled One brainfuck its creators. | 19:42 |
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| woglinde | rst????? | 19:42 |
| coldboot | Is there something way better than MediaWiki that's free? | 19:42 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Well, we could do it by email, but generally resolving conflicts like this requires real-time | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | dokuwiki is nice | 19:42 |
| lbt | dneary: I think you have to write your own... I think the problem is that many mediawiki installs are mega-installs | 19:42 |
| woglinde | rst arm assembler is nice | 19:42 |
| dneary | coldboot: MediaWiki's pretty darn good in other ways | 19:42 |
| lbt | agreed ... MW is the best on aggregate | 19:43 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: When I left work on Friday I was still compiling. Getting segfaults now, which is odd, because I have qDebug() statements that won't print, before any changed code I wrote... | 19:43 |
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| coldboot | dneary: Yeah that is true. | 19:43 |
| VDVsx | dneary, 11am or 2 pm onwards would be better for me, not sure if I will have internet access at the morning :) | 19:43 |
| dneary | I'll be in crunch time - flying out at 7am Friday for OSCON | 19:43 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: That is strange. git bisect? | 19:44 |
| RST38h | woglinde: Except that there is no ARM SDT for Unix that would integrate with GCC toolchain | 19:44 |
| dneary | I'll make myself available - co-ordinate a time with Baloo that suits you both, I'll try to work around it. | 19:44 |
| RST38h | woglinde: And GNU GAS is an atrocity | 19:44 |
| flib | Hi, I just installed a fresh install of OS2008 on my N800, and I can't connect to the repositories | 19:44 |
| VDVsx | dneary, what about tonight ? | 19:44 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Well I'm using the svn version for 4.5.0-maemo2, but it's such a small amount of code, I'm binary searching now. | 19:45 |
| dneary | Jamie's cooking dinner for wife & kids now | 19:45 |
| dneary | But later would be good for me | 19:45 |
| VDVsx | dneary, me too | 19:45 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: Ask away, I'll work around the time if you're both about for a while later | 19:45 |
| JamieBennett | I can do late dneary as in 30 minutes? | 19:45 |
| JamieBennett | later | 19:46 |
| dneary | OK - let's say 30 mins here | 19:46 |
| JamieBennett | OK, back then | 19:46 |
| VDVsx | ok fine for me | 19:46 |
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| RST38h | Nokia Surge (aka Mako) is out on AT&T network | 19:46 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, ugly thing :) | 19:46 |
| RST38h | If you want to see what N900 SHOULD be like (but never will) take a look | 19:47 |
| RST38h | VDV: Ugly, yes, but perfectly usable | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | VDV: Dpad, 4-row keyboard with real space bar and real keys, no silvery crap that chips, and it only costs $80 subsidized | 19:48 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, however I think is a very suitable design for the US market | 19:49 |
| RST38h | VDV: It is a very suitable design for ANY market | 19:49 |
| RST38h | VDV: Most likely not done by N-series team though | 19:49 |
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| ustunozgur | how does one create shortcuts in xterm? C-a for example | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | VDV: (I do not mean the feature set of course, just the physical appearance) | 19:51 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, I don't like very much the row of special buttons near to the screen, maybe I can change my opinion when I see one live :P | 19:52 |
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| ShadowJK | What's the real price? | 19:54 |
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| VDVsx | I bet around $200 | 19:55 |
| ShadowJK | is this a s60 device? how much cpu and ram? | 19:56 |
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| VDVsx | yeah is a S60 | 19:57 |
| VDVsx | ShadowJK, http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/07/13/nokias-surge-official-on-atandt-ships-july-19-for-79-99/ | 19:57 |
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| finn | is there anything other than formatting that I can do in order to get a SD card working over USB? | 19:57 |
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| ShadowJK | can't find the specs on it | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: if keyboard is anything to go by on the devel device, i like the keyboard on the devel device over that device | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | Does it have any "normal" nokia model number too? | 19:59 |
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| qwerty12 | ShadowJK, Nokia 6790 according to engadget | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | nothing about that on forum nokia either :/ | 20:00 |
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| VDVsx | ShadowJK, Symbian S60 3.2 on board and the side slider also packs a 2.6 inch QVGA display, a QWERTY keyboard, aGPS and 128MB of on board memory. | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | SDRAM? | 20:01 |
| qwerty12 | And I'd much rather have an N810 keyboard in front of me compared to the one on that 6790 (and that is saying something). | 20:01 |
| * ShadowJK has gotten used to N810 keyboard now | 20:02 | |
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| JamieBennett | dneary, VDVsx I'm around now | 20:07 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, me too :) | 20:08 |
| dneary | JamieBennett, VDVsx: Cool | 20:09 |
| JamieBennett | omelette devoured :) | 20:10 |
| lbt | jeremiah_: PING | 20:10 |
| lbt | anyone know how to send a really loud ping? | 20:11 |
| woglinde | kick him through the cable | 20:11 |
| woglinde | *g* | 20:11 |
| dneary | OK - the ones we disagree on: | 20:12 |
| dneary | Go-to market opportunities | 20:12 |
| dneary | I feel like we have to say yea or nay here | 20:12 |
| dneary | I'm leaving towards yea, only because it's a subject we're not likely to see treated better by anyone else | 20:12 |
| dneary | lbt: Try Jabber? | 20:12 |
| JamieBennett | I'm OK with saying yes as long as there is a good portion of the talk devoted to Maemo | 20:13 |
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| dneary | He's off-line now | 20:13 |
| dneary | VDVsx: ? | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | agree to Jamie | 20:13 |
| VDVsx | *with | 20:13 |
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| unixSnob | I don't like VI - what other editors are there, that I can use when I ssh into my NIT? | 20:14 |
| JamieBennett | Maybe get some assurances that Maemo is indeed a part of the talk | 20:14 |
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| VDVsx | a *good* part in that case | 20:15 |
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| dneary | Jamie: OK | 20:15 |
| dneary | You saw the mail he sent back (added to the talk page)? | 20:15 |
| JamieBennett | Yes although that didn't say much about Maemo | 20:16 |
| woglinde | unixSnob look at the package list | 20:16 |
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| JamieBennett | I like the idea of the talk its just that from a Maemo perspective I want to see the other platform experiences not only talked about but also compared with the Maemo offerings to make it more relevant e.t.c. | 20:17 |
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| dneary | JamieBennett: I don't have a problem with opening it a *bit* beyond Maemo | 20:18 |
| dneary | and Fring's a company successfully making money selling mobile applications, so - maybe some insights to be had | 20:18 |
| * xnt14 wakes up | 20:19 | |
| VDVsx | dneary, yup,I like the topic, and seems a interesting presentation for mobile dev's, at least | 20:19 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 20:19 |
| JamieBennett | Agreed and at the the first summit Jay gave a great Mozilla talk so although I would like to see more Maemo in the talk I will say yes | 20:19 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, JamieBennett , after the stated arguments, from me is a yes | 20:21 |
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| dneary | OK | 20:22 |
| dneary | Let's say yes to that, then | 20:22 |
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| unixSnob | damn.. the latest updates broke the openvpn gui tool.. did anyone else notice that? | 20:23 |
| dneary | Second: Canola | 20:23 |
| coldboot | Does every call to qDebug() flush the output buffer? | 20:23 |
| dneary | Let's skip that for a sec | 20:23 |
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| dneary | Evangelising Mer | 20:23 |
| dneary | Can we agree on "wait & see"? | 20:23 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Fring doesn't sell apps, right? | 20:23 |
| lbt | woohoo | 20:23 |
| X-Fade | dneary: They sell minutes? | 20:23 |
| dneary | X-Fade: They sell time, yes | 20:23 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: Yes | 20:23 |
| dneary | I wouldn't mind buying a couple of days from them this week, actually | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | dneary, agreed | 20:24 |
| dneary | OK | 20:24 |
| dneary | Hildon toolkit for Fremantle: application developers or platform? | 20:24 |
| lbt | dneary: did you say : Evangelising Mer......Can we agree on "wait & see"? in which case can you explain? | 20:24 |
| xnt14 | /usr/bin/python2.5 | 20:24 |
| xnt14 | argh! | 20:24 |
| dneary | lbt: Yes, I did | 20:25 |
| coldboot | I wonder why Fring still doesn't have a blackberry client. | 20:25 |
| * xnt14 hates synergy | 20:25 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: argumentation in Talk:Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions | 20:25 |
| VDVsx | dneary, changing my opinion, app dev's | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | (afaik) | 20:25 |
| dneary | lbt: There's a proposal for a Maemo Summit talk with the title "Evangelizing Mer, and Tips on Promoting Your Own Project" | 20:25 |
| wazd | reheya Maemo :) | 20:25 |
| lbt | np :) | 20:25 |
| dneary | lbt: we agree that a subject like that might be interesting for the Summit (how best to evangelise products you're involved with) but I think that a better presentation or presenter might come along | 20:26 |
| dneary | VDVsx: OK - agreed on app devs, then | 20:26 |
| lbt | OK, I am expecting to put together a talk based on the one I'm doing for the UK Open Systems Group in August. | 20:26 |
| lbt | I'm not missing a deadline am I? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | the angle is also "get maemo out there, how to use maemo.org grassroots, present at lugs, local activism", etc :) | 20:26 |
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| dneary | JamieBennett: Mer: A year after. Do you still think lighhtning talk? | 20:26 |
| VDVsx | dneary, after saw the GCDS presentation, I changed my angle of view, about that one | 20:27 |
| lbt | http://summer2009.ukuug.org/Talks (search 'Touching Linux') | 20:27 |
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| lbt | I expect to be able to enrich it with some Moblin content too ;) | 20:27 |
| dneary | VDVsx: You were in GCDS? We must have met, but I don't remember you introducing yourself | 20:27 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, no, just saw the slides, lol | 20:28 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: I'd like to see a definate Mer presence but I'm not sure a full presentation would be appropriate for the subject. Maybe if I saw more of an outline of what is going to be in the talk | 20:28 |
| dneary | Stskeeps: OK, thanks for the info | 20:28 |
| JamieBennett | *the subject* not meaning Mer but the talk subject title | 20:28 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Mer's been one of the most important community projects in Maemo over the past year - I'd expect there to be at least 2 presentation slots in there | 20:28 |
| dneary | I understand, though | 20:28 |
| JamieBennett | Yes me too | 20:28 |
| dneary | The subject seems to me like your typical "overview of Mer" abstract, which sopunds good to me | 20:29 |
| JamieBennett | I'm not adverse to saying yes to this | 20:29 |
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| unixSnob | nevermind... tunnel gui app works.. I just had to remove all applets, and add the openvpn applet FIRST, then the others | 20:29 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: OK | 20:30 |
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| JamieBennett | I'll say yes (although as you two have also said yes it makes no difference to the vote ;)) | 20:30 |
| dneary | Jamie: It's not a vote | 20:30 |
| dneary | It's all or nothing | 20:30 |
| dneary | Unanimous, or we talk about it | 20:30 |
| dneary | Any one person might have a veto vote | 20:30 |
| dneary | Next: speeding up Maemo development | 20:31 |
| JamieBennett | OK, I'll say yes. | 20:31 |
| dneary | Wait & see? | 20:31 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary , I vote for a presentation, a LT is too short to recap a full year of an project like mer | 20:31 |
| dneary | Seems like there's some interest, but no-one saying "Yes!" | 20:31 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: No, I'll say yes to the talk (Mer) | 20:31 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: Yes, got it. Moved on already :) | 20:32 |
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| JamieBennett | :) I like the idea of a ESbox and Pluthon talk | 20:32 |
| VDVsx | seems interesting to me from a dev POV, but let's wait a bit more | 20:33 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary , done ? | 20:35 |
| JamieBennett | wait and see is fine from me | 20:35 |
| dneary | OK | 20:36 |
| dneary | What's ESbox and Pluthon? | 20:36 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Done! | 20:36 |
| dneary | Thanks guys | 20:36 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Alternative GUI development from Nokia. | 20:36 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, we must wait for a reply to your comment | 20:36 |
| X-Fade | dneary: Eclipse integration. | 20:36 |
| dneary | Ah, forgot one | 20:36 |
| dneary | Canola | 20:36 |
| JamieBennett | VDVsx: What comment? | 20:37 |
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| dneary | We have 7 yes, 1 no, 2 wait and see, and 1 proposed "Stars" session, and 1 session we haven't talked about yet | 20:37 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, pluthon and esbox talk | 20:38 |
| JamieBennett | I said wait and see | 20:38 |
| JamieBennett | OK, what about the Canola talk(s) | 20:39 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, I'm talking about the comment in the wiki :P | 20:39 |
| JamieBennett | Ah OK :D | 20:39 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary , I would like to see a presentation around the canola framework | 20:40 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: What do you think? | 20:41 |
| * xnt14 wonders where home panel applets are stored in the filesystem...... | 20:41 | |
| JamieBennett | I know the indt guys have some cool projects that I'm sure use the Canola framework. It would be nice to see a talk along the lines of 'how to use the Canola framework to make graphically rich applications" | 20:41 |
| VDVsx | and maybe a LT + app developers presentation will be the best suit here | 20:41 |
| * xnt14 pokes around | 20:41 | |
| xnt14 | hmm | 20:43 |
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| xnt14 | qwerty12, any ideas? | 20:45 |
| JamieBennett | I would be fine with the LT and full talk proposal | 20:45 |
| xnt14 | I found /usr/share/applications/hildon-home, those are .desktop files | 20:45 |
| JamieBennett | dneary, your thoughts? | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | xnt14: /usr/lib/hildon-home/ | 20:46 |
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| dneary | OK - so approve it as a framework talk, and encourage a second talk about the application, is what I'm hearing? | 20:47 |
| dneary | I will go along with that. | 20:47 |
| JamieBennett | dneary: Yes IMO | 20:47 |
| xnt14 | qwerty12, thanks :) | 20:47 |
| dneary | We're going to start running out of developer slots before user track slots, that's for sure | 20:47 |
| JamieBennett | thats my worry at the moment | 20:47 |
| VDVsx | JamieBennett, dneary second talk == LT IMO | 20:47 |
| JamieBennett | We need the indt guys to show us Canola, the OpenGL ES Fremantle version ;) | 20:48 |
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| VDVsx | JamieBennett, they are now working with Qt, afaik | 20:49 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, JamieBennett , I've to go guys (football time :)), any final thoughts ? | 20:52 |
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| dneary | VDVsx: wear shinguards, break legs | 20:53 |
| JamieBennett | Looks like a wait and see then, maybe propose some options to the Canola guys? | 20:53 |
| dneary | VDVsx: Or don't break legs, but just break spirits | 20:53 |
| dneary | JamieBennett: I'm happy to go with what ye said for the Canola talk | 20:53 |
| dneary | Yes for framework, ask them to submit a canola the applicatioon talk | 20:54 |
| JamieBennett | OK | 20:54 |
| VDVsx | ok | 20:54 |
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| VDVsx | dneary, JamieBennett, cya later | 20:56 |
| JamieBennett | OK bye | 20:56 |
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| coldboot | Don't change qwidget.h before compiling unless you have something else to do for... forever. | 20:56 |
| lcuk | VDVsx, have you found out what the other fm stars are doing, cos i will need to arrange myself accordingly | 20:57 |
| woglinde | hi lcuk | 20:58 |
| lcuk | ie if you give me a little slot i hold back | 20:58 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde \o | 20:58 |
| lcuk | woglinde, are you through your exams now | 20:59 |
| * lcuk hopes it was you | 20:59 | |
| woglinde | lcuk hm nope | 21:00 |
| woglinde | not through exams | 21:00 |
| lcuk | then it wasnt you lol | 21:00 |
| * lcuk must remember to drink less | 21:00 | |
| woglinde | and diploma thesis at head | 21:01 |
| lcuk | ahhh, how long is left | 21:02 |
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| woglinde | didnt register it yet | 21:02 |
| woglinde | then 6 months | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | are there any carpenters around | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | or should i ask in #gentoo? | 21:05 |
| glass | jesus | 21:05 |
| lcuk | hes on irc? | 21:05 |
| glass | i've burnt a lot of wood and planted couple of thousand trees, do i qualify?-D | 21:05 |
| lcuk | heh not really | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | im wondering how i could make something | 21:06 |
| glass | lcuk: i know a bit of woodworking/whats cheap in a hw store | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | heh | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | well im thinking about the smartq7 | 21:07 |
| lcuk | http://www.iconocast.com/B000000000000206_Korea/S3/News5_1.jpg | 21:07 |
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| lcuk | currently, i have my 810 in this: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg | 21:08 |
| lcuk | and it sits nicely t 45deg | 21:08 |
| glass | ah something like that | 21:09 |
| lcuk | the stand on that smartq5 is flimsy | 21:09 |
| lcuk | or looks it | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | no stand on a q5 | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | 76 | 21:09 |
| lcuk | 7 | 21:09 |
| lcuk | photo up there sts | 21:09 |
| lcuk | i know the 5 has no stand | 21:09 |
| glass | lcuk: lots of plastic-like stuff on sale that hardens as to plastic | 21:09 |
| lcuk | its a square brick tho | 21:09 |
| * xnt14 fires up gimp and works on his theme | 21:09 | |
| lcuk | im not worried about technical ability | 21:09 |
| glass | lcuk: and dremel clones cost something like 40 bucks now | 21:09 |
| lcuk | a dremel wont really make the shape i need | 21:10 |
| lcuk | which is nearly flat but not quite | 21:10 |
| coldboot | lcuk: Do you need to make something out of plastic? | 21:10 |
| lcuk | the putty type stuff sounds good tho | 21:10 |
| lcuk | coldboot, i prefer wood really, but this one will be more for wall based | 21:10 |
| coldboot | lcuk: A guy I worked with makes a robot that makes stuff out of plastic. | 21:10 |
| lcuk | so it doent really matter | 21:10 |
| glass | lcuk: dremel has plenty of accessories :) it's just handier tool than getting saws and shit.. | 21:11 |
| lcuk | cnt machine | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | glass, i have dremel, but this is 7inches of precision depth required | 21:11 |
| lcuk | i actually tihnk some sort of putty would work | 21:11 |
| lcuk | put bag round device | 21:11 |
| lcuk | press in | 21:11 |
| glass | lcuk: you might like www.hackedgadgets.com | 21:11 |
| lcuk | and get a really good form | 21:11 |
| lcuk | im just thinking ahead - i wouldv prefered the smartq7 to have a wall hanger | 21:12 |
| * xnt14 has a dremel o.0 xDDDD | 21:12 | |
| lcuk | but its shape would leave it unstable around the edges | 21:12 |
| xnt14 | no im serious xD | 21:12 |
| coldboot | http://makerbot.com/ | 21:12 |
| lcuk | heh, so ive gotta make the bot so it can make the stand | 21:13 |
| lcuk | thats like chicken and egg | 21:13 |
| lcuk | i would be quicker encouraging luke to do woodwork and send him through college lol | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | glass, thanks for putty idea, at first impression it would work | 21:14 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 21:14 |
| lcuk | and could be used for any principle | 21:14 |
| lcuk | device ^ | 21:15 |
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| tann_ | Is it possible to use my n810 as a bluetooth adapter for my computer? | 21:16 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: ping? | 21:17 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: pong | 21:21 |
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| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: can you upload a new version of a package of yours? | 21:26 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: I want to test an autobuilder log import feature ;) | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I have a fix for the flicker issue | 21:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Sorry, I can't do that as I'm on a tablet :( | 21:27 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: Really? | 21:28 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: What did you do? | 21:28 |
| coldboot | This compiling of Qt is killing me, it takes forever. | 21:28 |
| fiferboy | There is no flicker, and OSK is working with the widgets I tested | 21:28 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: What's the fix, do you have a diff? | 21:29 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: You're from Hamilton? | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: http://pastebin.com/m7ee69c97 | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Yes, I'm from Hamilton | 21:31 |
| fiferboy | Pretty simple change, works in the cases I can find | 21:32 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: Just that one return condition in that one file? | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Yep | 21:38 |
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| fiferboy | It basically decides the keyboard doesn't need to popup for that widget and doesn't do the unessesary conversion | 21:39 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah, it's still going to convert text fields, though. | 21:39 |
| fiferboy | True, it is not a perfect solution, but it fixes our case (the only case that has been noticed AFAIK) and doesn't break anything that I can find. | 21:40 |
| fiferboy | Maybe not ideal, but better than our current situation | 21:40 |
| coldboot | Yeah it's definitely good enough. | 21:40 |
| coldboot | Very convenient function there, canUseIM(). | 21:40 |
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| coldboot | I'm still compiling my previous fix. | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | One case I can't test right now is an editor in an itemview. My app doesn't use that | 21:41 |
| coldboot | Don't know if it works yet. | 21:41 |
| coldboot | Use shopper | 21:41 |
| coldboot | But I never got flashing with text fields anyway, only tables and drop downs. | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I tried some focusProxy code, but still couldn't get the keystroke to go to the widget | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | I have tested line edits and editable combo boxes with no problem, and my tableview which used to flash doesn't flash anymore | 21:42 |
| fiferboy | I just wonder what would happen if you have an editable cell in a table, whether it would cause the flash | 21:42 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: It probably would. | 21:43 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: But, for now, this is great, because we don't have any editable anything in our app! :) | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | Unless it only converts the editor widget itself, I'm not sure how that works | 21:43 |
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| coldboot | I'd suggest this for cutting down on lines: if (!w || !canUseIM(widget)) {\n return\n} | 21:44 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I was just following the code, it is done in two separate blocks elsewhere in that file | 21:44 |
| coldboot | ah ok | 21:45 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: heya Andrew :) | 21:50 |
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| fiferboy | hey wazd, how's it going? | 21:51 |
| wazd | fiferboy: spent 3 days with my friend that was telling me that Qt rocks :D | 21:51 |
| fiferboy | He is right! | 21:51 |
| wazd | fiferboy: :) | 21:52 |
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| fiferboy | It even has a good tool for you - a GUI designer so you don't have to mock things up in PS | 21:52 |
| wazd | fiferboy: yep, I've played with it :) | 21:53 |
| wazd | fiferboy: looked awesome :) But to be fair, GTK has Glade ;) | 21:53 |
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| fiferboy | wazd: I could probably find a few dialogs that could use a good UI tweaking | 21:54 |
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| wazd | fiferboy: he told me that Designer is available even for Windows which is really good | 21:57 |
| fiferboy | wazd: Yep, it works great in Windows | 21:57 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, does windows qt have all the maemoisms enabled | 21:59 |
| lcuk | ie does it know about the maemo specific classes | 21:59 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: For my programming I haven't needed to change anything in order to switch between a Windows compile, Linux compile, and Maemo compile | 22:00 |
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| lcuk | you have a bird watching db application dont you | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | Except for some install locations in the pro file, I don't think I use HILDON defs at all | 22:01 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Yes, using sqlite | 22:01 |
| lcuk | and does entire thing work nicely and suit being ran wherever, or have you had to make alterations to get it workable in maemo itself | 22:02 |
| lcuk | ie dialog sizes and locations etc | 22:02 |
| fiferboy | I designed the dialogs to be no bigger than 480x640 so it could run at different resolutions, but gui design has definitely been the biggest challenge | 22:03 |
| lcuk | or did you write it specifically for maemo in the first place | 22:03 |
| fiferboy | maemo was my primary thought, but it runs equally well in Windows or Linux | 22:04 |
| lcuk | yeah - you came the right way :) | 22:04 |
| fiferboy | I don't think the UI is hampered much by being designed for a small screen | 22:04 |
| lcuk | theres 10x more problems trying to squash something down | 22:04 |
| fiferboy | It would DEFINITELY be harder to adapts a desktop app to a NIT | 22:04 |
| * lcuk nods | 22:05 | |
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| fiferboy | I have all my dialogs contained in a scroll area so when the keyboard pops up you can still view and access all the fields | 22:06 |
| lcuk | heh, no doubt you made that kinetic too :D | 22:06 |
| lcuk | does the kb pop, or slide on? | 22:06 |
| fiferboy | At first, but now it is kinetic all on it's own | 22:06 |
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| fiferboy | It pops up, same as regular | 22:07 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:07 |
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| fiferboy | It is VERY cool to use the exact same code for three platforms | 22:07 |
| lcuk | heh im just rebuilding the dialog stuff in lb, for the elements that dont zoom in they need selectable start point | 22:08 |
| kkrusty | qwerty12_N810: vagalume is awesome | 22:08 |
| lcuk | yeah fiferboy ;) but then again, native c code can be quite cross platform too | 22:08 |
| qwerty12_N810 | kkrusty: Agreed. :) | 22:08 |
| kkrusty | qwerty12_N810: thanks for telling me about it | 22:08 |
| fiferboy | Yep, but the GUI portion is usually the toughest | 22:08 |
| lcuk | the only thing i can see qt cross platform as winning at is symbian/maemo | 22:10 |
| lcuk | most of the time, you wouldnt really use the same app on desktop as on handheld | 22:10 |
| lcuk | has qt got multitouch support, or even twotouch that gtk has? | 22:11 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: I think it is being worked on by the qt-kinetic team | 22:12 |
| lcuk | cool | 22:13 |
| * lcuk has a really nice simple effect in mind | 22:13 | |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, did you write your bird app to take otu with you, or just as something to playwith | 22:16 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I originally wanted something to take along with me, but it is equally useful to look things up later | 22:17 |
| lcuk | will be better with the next device when you can take a picture directly | 22:17 |
| lcuk | its a bit crap using n8x0 camera lol | 22:17 |
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| fiferboy | Just need to be able to zoom to a 35mm equivalent of 300mm :) | 22:21 |
| pablo | where i find documentation for Maemo 5 and QT ? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, you lost me there lol, not a camera head, but know having one on the back will be better than none ;) | 22:22 |
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| fiferboy | I was hoping the back camera would let me do bird photography ;) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | i like to go to the beach and photograph all the boobys | 22:24 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Blue-footed? | 22:24 |
| lcuk | depends if they have flipflops on | 22:24 |
| lcuk | wow | 22:25 |
| lcuk | theres actually loads of different kinds of boobys | 22:25 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: *cough* blue tit *cough* | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | dont see many bluetits round here | 22:26 |
| fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Great Tit | 22:26 |
| lcuk | when i was on holiday tho, there were loads of great tits | 22:27 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | "The Great Tit is a popular garden bird due to its acrobatic performances when feeding on nuts" | 22:28 |
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| lcuk | watch out tho, they build their nests within a hole in some wood | 22:29 |
| lcuk | i darent click the link on wikpedia: Great Tit videos | 22:29 |
| * fiferboy laughs | 22:29 | |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, so, your database contains info about each of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Birds_of_Europe | 22:30 |
| lcuk | or is it a worldwide factbook? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | or is it just entries you have collected and inserted manually | 22:31 |
| fiferboy | There are 10331 species in the database, and 701 different locations to select from | 22:31 |
| lcuk | i gather you have filtering and searching tools in there | 22:31 |
| fiferboy | I create a list with a suitable location (as specific as possible to limit the number of species) and record sightings | 22:32 |
| fiferboy | Lots of filtering and searching | 22:32 |
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| fiferboy | The tablet handles most local database operations pretty well, although a list with 10000 entries will take some time | 22:32 |
| lcuk | you have been to the 701 locations? or is this an evolving database thats existed BQ (before qt..)( | 22:32 |
| lcuk | yeah no doubt | 22:33 |
| lcuk | i found a nice optimization for my lists when i started looking at optimizations | 22:33 |
| _Mayito_ | who can help me to flash my tablet n810 please ? | 22:33 |
| lcuk | doh | 22:33 |
| lcuk | _Mayito_, i think theres a really simple wiki page | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ~flash | 22:33 |
| infobot | hmm... flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ~flashing | 22:33 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:33 |
| lcuk | (the second one) | 22:34 |
| fiferboy | luck: A global list of locations each with their own species checklist | 22:34 |
| _Mayito_ | lcuk, thank you ... I did it, but I did something wrong ... that is why I need help | 22:34 |
| lcuk | speak up then, try to be as clear as possible (and concise) and if someone knows they will try to help : | 22:34 |
| lcuk | ) | 22:34 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, have you put all 700 locations in | 22:35 |
| fiferboy | I haven't spent much time optimizing yet | 22:35 |
| lcuk | or did you find the db already populated/convert it from another source? | 22:35 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Yes, they are all in the database | 22:35 |
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| fiferboy | http://avibase.bsc-eoc.org/ | 22:35 |
| X-Fade | _Mayito_: I helps if you explain what the actual problem is. | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | _Mayito_: Instead of saying I need help. | 22:36 |
| _Mayito_ | X-Fade, I am trying to flash my tablet to boot from the external SDCard | 22:36 |
| X-Fade | _Mayito_: Yes? And? | 22:37 |
| _Mayito_ | I did follow the little wiki document web page about how to boot from a flash card | 22:37 |
| _Mayito_ | although ... I did endup flashing the internal card (2Gb) | 22:37 |
| _Mayito_ | and I dont know what I did wrong to be honest | 22:38 |
| _Mayito_ | I just reset from factory my tablet | 22:38 |
| lcuk | fiferboy, cool, are you planning on integrating with the webservice to push up reports? | 22:38 |
| _Mayito_ | and I dont want to screw up again | 22:38 |
| fiferboy | luck: There is an eBird webservice that records sighting locations and frequencies, but I haven't looked in to integration yet | 22:38 |
| _Mayito_ | x-fade: I already made my partitions in my external SDCard again | 22:39 |
| lcuk | at least you have something to build towards in future if you desire :) | 22:39 |
| _Mayito_ | x-fade: so, from there I think I will need someone to guide me | 22:39 |
| fiferboy | I would also like to scrape updates from the checklists at avibird, but I haven't looked at that yet either | 22:39 |
| lcuk | im just interested because having a good fully capable data driven qt app on the devices would be great. it also gives people ideas for other markets and subjects using similar engine | 22:40 |
| lcuk | have you written it (or attempted) in any other toolkits before? | 22:41 |
| lcuk | or was this something to get your teeth into on qt specifically | 22:41 |
| fiferboy | When I had my Zaurus I used a locally server MySQL, PHP solution | 22:42 |
| fiferboy | When I first got my N810 I wrote a Gtk, XML solution | 22:43 |
| fiferboy | Now I have my Qt, sqlite solution | 22:43 |
| fiferboy | So javascript/html, c, c++ so far... | 22:43 |
| lcuk | seems like we all do the same thing :) | 22:43 |
| lcuk | its kindof your hello world then | 22:44 |
| lcuk | david has evolved in same way with his shopper, ive done liqbase in anything with a cpu lol | 22:44 |
| fiferboy | Yep. This is the most refined solution so far | 22:44 |
| lcuk | we all evolve :) | 22:44 |
| fiferboy | That's true | 22:45 |
| lcuk | i keep wanting to put together pages showing evolution of apps | 22:45 |
| fiferboy | That would be cool. I could contribute screen shots | 22:45 |
| lcuk | you would show the evolution of your bird app - and what would add is some words about the difficulties and improvements you made and what facilitated them | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | we would need somewhere proper for it, its just something that keeps popping back into my head - one day.. | 22:46 |
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| fiferboy | Toolkit selection, data backend selection, primary factor being mobile and portable... | 22:47 |
| lcuk | well, you have mobile apps in your blood :) | 22:48 |
| johnsq | fiferboy: simple gtk, sqlite and ready. | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | For some reason I never tried the Gtk/sqlite combination | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | johnsq, i actually think the php solution fiferboy came up with was more novel | 22:49 |
| fiferboy | I felt like there should be some Gtk API to dump a select statement directly into a table display (like there is with Qt) | 22:49 |
| lcuk | how fast was it rendering wise on the zaurus - did it compare speed wise with maemo desktop apps for instance | 22:49 |
| lcuk | or was it nowhere near | 22:49 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: I was just going to stick with that, but I couldn't find a decent LAMP stack when I came to Maemo | 22:50 |
| lcuk | its not just lamp though for local | 22:50 |
| johnsq | lcuk: I just thought the same http with cgi should be also fine | 22:50 |
| lcuk | you need a good local html renderer too | 22:50 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: Speed was fine, I never noticed a problem. but I only displayed 30 records per page. | 22:50 |
| lcuk | johnsq, if you have a hammer, everything is a nail | 22:50 |
| lcuk | hhh no continuous list | 22:51 |
| lcuk | thats always my hatred of web | 22:51 |
| lcuk | but i cant blame them really | 22:51 |
| lcuk | ^ahhh | 22:52 |
| fiferboy | I used the list for a different purpose, and I am pretty sure I made the "records/page" configurable | 22:52 |
| lcuk | yeah, but sitll its paged | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i have had to make same compromise | 22:53 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Any idea which package section an artificial horizon would fit best into? http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#New_list_for_Diablo Probably one of graphics/navigation/science or utilities? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i decided to only show the next 2 years in calendar lol | 22:53 |
| fiferboy | Actually, my father-in-law uses my PHP/MySQL list on his Windows computer | 22:53 |
| fiferboy | I'll have to install my Qt list for him one of these days... | 22:53 |
| lcuk | jaffa, user/kickasscoolstuff or if thats not there, user/graphics is a high traffic zone for cool stuff | 22:54 |
| lcuk | jaffa, we dont have /user/techdemo yet | 22:55 |
| konttori_ | what is horizon? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | but we should | 22:55 |
| konttori_ | screenshots? | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: http://bleb.org/software/maemo/horizon.png | 22:55 |
| lcuk | heh konttori_ perking at the thought of missing something cool | 22:55 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: Little accelerometer playground | 22:55 |
| lcuk | konttori_ has been playing with the accelerometer as well | 22:56 |
| konttori_ | Jaffa. nice | 22:56 |
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| konttori_ | yeah. I just converted ukmp to switch between portrait/landscape with it | 22:56 |
| Jaffa | konttori_: nice | 22:57 |
| * lcuk is waiting for shake to shuffle tracks | 22:57 | |
| konttori_ | Hmm... could do. | 22:57 |
| konttori_ | Hmm.. nice idea | 22:57 |
| konttori_ | smack on right side for next track | 22:57 |
| konttori_ | smack to left side for previous | 22:57 |
| lcuk | hope nokia supply a wrist strap lol | 22:57 |
| lcuk | make it disablable | 22:58 |
| lcuk | or joggers wont be able to use it | 22:58 |
| johnsq | konttori_: and while you walk you hear only clicks | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | theres so many uses for an accelerometer | 22:59 |
| lcuk | "doofus, hold the camera still, you are trying to take a picture" | 22:59 |
| konttori_ | johnsq: lol. good point | 22:59 |
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| konttori_ | hey, any good idea how to get the next and previous button events from bt headset? | 22:59 |
| lcuk | dont they get mapped by the driver to left/right or something? | 23:00 |
| johnsq | konttori_: you should get them over input / event -> x11 -> app | 23:00 |
| konttori_ | sure, while it's in foreground | 23:00 |
| konttori_ | how about when it's not? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | global hotkey | 23:00 |
| konttori_ | ? | 23:01 |
| lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=x11+global+hotkey&fp=WFTqpVMKRTw | 23:01 |
| konttori_ | thanks. I'll need X11 packages now for python. | 23:03 |
| konttori_ | http://jaredforsyth.com/content/linux-global-hotkeys | 23:03 |
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| konttori_ | By the way, what is the way to get to task switcher from an application? | 23:21 |
| konttori_ | As in, I have a button in ukmp that I want to use to get the user back to switcher. | 23:21 |
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| Stskeeps | we don't know much about task switching in fremantle yet :P | 23:21 |
| Stskeeps | usually we use home button | 23:22 |
| konttori_ | oh. | 23:22 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | If this was diablo... "dbus-send --type=signal --system /com/nokia/mce/signal com.nokia.mce.signal.sig_home_key_pressed_ind" | 23:24 |
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| Macer | wtf | 23:52 |
| Macer | do i have to do something special in order to browse the web over a vpn? | 23:52 |
| Macer | i can seem to do everything but that | 23:52 |
| Macer | it kind of sucks | 23:53 |
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| jason__ | Macer, there shouldn't be any problems browsing the web - can you ping/telnet internet servers? | 23:54 |
| Macer | yeah | 23:55 |
| Macer | it's not a dns thing | 23:55 |
| Macer | oh wait... | 23:55 |
| Macer | oh.. i guess not | 23:55 |
| Macer | wtf... is it not using a gateway or something? :( | 23:55 |
| Macer | Request timed out. | 23:56 |
| Macer | but i can use my internal network | 23:56 |
| Macer | like the smb stuff and everything works | 23:56 |
| Macer | and it is gettign ip numbers off the local dns | 23:56 |
| jason__ | So you can get out to the internet using ping? I'm not clear on your situation | 23:56 |
| Macer | no i can't | 23:57 |
| Macer | 192.168.1.255 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.201 192.168.1.201 50 | 23:58 |
| Macer | wtf.. it is using itself as a gateway | 23:58 |
| Macer | how the hell do i change that? :) i want it to use 192.168.1.1 and can't find an option under the vpn connection to change the gateway | 23:58 |
| jason__ | what does `route` give you? | 23:59 |
| Macer | that is what route gives me | 23:59 |
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