IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-07-14

Macerand it is using the default gateway of
Macerwhich is the ip of the client00:00
Macerwhen i need it to use
coldbootWoohoo! fiferboy's fixed the flickering bug.00:02
jason__well, you can add a new route with the correct gateway, but you might want to find somebody who better knows how to do that to advise you.00:02
coldbootIt's a workaround, and won't completely fix it, but in most cases it simply skips Input Method code on things that can't accept input from an IM.00:03
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coldbootSo for tables and dropdowns it works great.00:03
lbtcoldboot: sounds good00:03
lbtIt also sounds like we need to fix HIM00:03
coldbootI couldn't get the setProxy() idea working.00:04
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coldbootIt simply doesn't forward text to a text field, similar problem I had before.00:05
lbtcoldboot: do you have a branch though?00:05
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coldbootlbt: I have been working in the 4.5.0-maemo2 subversion repo, since we're using that at my office.00:05
coldbootlbt: I'll make a branch on the main one soon. I've saved my code.00:05
lbtI've been caught up so not had chance to look - if you could do a personal gitorious repo clone and make a branch there00:06
lbtgit (and gitk) makes this so nice00:06
lbthave you looked at git-svn too00:06
coldbootI haven't played with it yet.00:07
lbtbidirectional git<>svn.... I've found a few people use it when they have svn repos00:07
coldbootHowever, the fix is one line: void QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand(/*...*/) { if (!canUseIM(widget)) { return; } /* ... */ }00:07
jason__Is there irssi for maemo?00:08
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erik___lbt: I no longer use SVN. If I have to interact with it, I use git-svn to do so00:08
lbterik___: we'll get coldboot onto it with patience... (and maybe an intervention!)00:09
lbtcoldboot: how heavy is canUseIM(widget)00:09
coldbootlbt: Oh don't worry, I'm already a git convert.00:09
coldbootlbt: I don't know, actually, it seems to run just fine on our slowass program on the tablet.00:09
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lbtah, I thought you were having probs the other night00:09
lbtmaybe it was fiferboy though - buried in the backlog00:10
coldbootYeah it was him, I actually went outside all weekend.00:10
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coldbootlbt: canUseIM has two qobject_cast<> calls in it...00:11
coldbootlbt: And two inputMethodQuery() calls...00:11
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coldbootlbt: I can refactor it to make it faster.00:12
dl9pflbt: ping00:12
lbtdl9pf: hi... I read your explanation00:13
lbtcoldboot: I think that would be welcome00:13
coldbootlbt: Is there a way to see if something is a QLineEdit, QTextEdit, and QPlainTextEdit without casting? Also, what kind of cast is a qobject_cast?00:13
Macer_the problem is that for some reason or another xp is not using the right gateway00:14
lbtcoldboot:  Consider using qobject_cast<Type *>(object) instead. The method is both faster and safer.00:16
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lbtthe nice thing is that the code is so readable... I love that about Qt; I always felt I was lost in twisty passages with "the other one"00:17
coldbootlbt: Yeah it's pretty well put together. And the documentation is some of the best I've ever seen.00:18
lbtyou're not a perl coder then :)00:18
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lcuk"the other one" makes it sound like its the only competition - how clean does it look in comparison to coding for iphone?00:19
coldbootlbt: Some of the best, the Perl documentation is better.00:19
coldbootThat sucks that Q*Edit don't multiply-inherit from some editable thing...00:20
lbtlcuk: I have never seen windows C/C++ code either (and VB doesn't count as code ;) )00:20
coldbootMFC was a mess.00:21
lbtcoldboot: yes, there are some inheritance things I wonder about00:21
lcukits as much code as python or php or java ;)00:21
lcukmfs was horrible00:21
lcukits the reason i chose vb over anything00:21
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coldbootI wrote a RISK and Axis and Allies simulator in VB as my first ever program.00:21
coldbootIt was really handy for a kid.00:22
Macer_omfg this is going to drive me nutty00:22
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Vulcaniswrong window00:37
coldbootIl fais bon.00:41
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Maceryeah it's the comcast router00:43
Macerfor some reason it won't let me set the gateway00:43
Macerand i don't know why00:43
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_hcso I am running an n810 with Diablo and the RTCOMM update and it seems that default email client won't show my IMAP folders, only the inbox.  It did orginally, but no more.  I can create an imap folder fine, and then I can see that.00:59
_hcI've been searching around a bunch but haven't found any leads01:00
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_hcanyone using OTR encryption with RTCOMM?01:47
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andre___hc, is OTR with rtcomm possible? because there is an open bug report about it03:21
_hcandre__: ah right, there is an upstream bug report with Telepathy about it:
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LiraNunawasn't the Rover supposed to come in July? how come I find no ETA?03:38
Robot101andre__, _hc: we much prefer to implement an open standard for encryption like the XMPP extensions, than to try and hack encryption onto closed protocols with OTR03:39
Robot101it doesn't make much sense to me at least to go to such effort to send encrypted content over a proprietary network, when to use OTR you need an open client in the first place03:39
Robot101so we'll do XMPP encryption before we do OTR, but we've not got time to work on either at the moment03:40
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Robot101we're happy to discuss how to approach it with people who are interested however03:40
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LiraNunaWhy not simply implement a plugin architecture and let someone else implement OTR?03:41
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Robot101telepathy is already a component architecture03:46
Robot101we've explained how we'd add otr into it03:46
Robot101nobody who knows/cares enough has done it yet03:46
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Tann1Can someone possibly help me set up my n810's microphone to go thought the speakers/stereo jack so that I can use it as a microphone for my laptop.04:39
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esaymis this the irc channel for the nokia n810?04:54
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Luke-Jresaym: yes04:56
Luke-Jras well as 770, N800, N900, and N91504:56
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esaymLuke-Jr: you look familiar ????05:03
Luke-Jresaym: #Jesus05:04
esaymLuke-Jr: what are the price ranges for the 9xx series?05:04
Luke-Jresaym: good question05:04
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esaymI was hearing stuff like $700...05:05
Luke-Jresaym: at that price it had better be a lot better than N81005:06
Luke-Jrand actually open05:06
esaymanyway, my question...  I am wondering about how functional the xterminal is on the 810?  I have some console/text apps that I want to run on it...05:06
esaymLuke-Jr: apparently the 9xx series is going to be some kind of gsm phone?05:06
Luke-Jresaym: honestly, raw console mode is all I've found to work well05:06
esaymLuke-Jr: what is "raw console mode"05:07
esaymLuke-Jr: outside of X?05:07
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Luke-Jresaym: yes05:08
Luke-Jresaym: KDE doesn't run too well05:08
esaymI don't plan on using kde05:08
Luke-JrIIRC, slono said GNOME is even worse05:08
Luke-Jrwhich is to be expected, as GNOME sucks :þ05:09
esaymI just need a small device to put my console software one05:09
esaymit is for taking notes in church and bible studies05:09
Luke-JrI see.05:09
Luke-JrI wouldn't want to do a ton of typing on N810 either05:09
Luke-Jresaym: might see what you can pickup a Zaurus for05:09
esaymI could do a gui for it but I don't know if it would be worth the trouble05:10
Luke-JrZaurii only have 64 MB RAM, but they have a nice keyboard05:10
esaymLuke-Jr: yes I looked at the zaurus, several of them05:10
Luke-Jrthe clamshell models anyhow05:10
Luke-Jrthe N810's keyboard kinda sucks05:10
esaymLuke-Jr: no wifi, not sure if that would be good for me05:10
Luke-JrI have a CompactFlash wifi card05:11
Tann6Can someone help me set my n810 up so that what the microphone picks up is then sent through the speakers/stereo jack so that I can use it as a line in on my computer?05:11
esaymI could do without05:11
Luke-Jrbut what good is wifi w/o GUI?05:11
esaymLuke-Jr: well I didn't plan on not using a gui05:11
esaymMy app won't have a gui05:12
Luke-JrI see.05:12
esaymso I can either use the xterminal or the raw terminal like you said05:12
esaymwhat is wrong with the xterminal?05:12
Luke-Jresaym: nothing, but the GUI in general sucks05:12
esaymare the keys on the 810 just too small or flat?05:12
Luke-Jrthe only thing I have found tolerable is KDE, and 128 MB RAM doesn't cut the bill05:12
esaymoh...hmm.  What is wrong with it?05:12
Luke-Jresaym: too flat I guess05:13
Luke-Jrbad feedback05:13
Luke-Jrtoo easy to hit the wrong key, etc05:13
Luke-Jralso, no number keys05:13
Luke-Jrnumbers are useful :/05:13
esaymoh, is there like a fn key for the numbers?05:13
esaymok I see a good pic of the keyboard now...05:15
esaymLuke-Jr: what all don't you like about the standard os2008 that is comes with?  Too slow or something?05:17
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Luke-Jresaym: unmaintained, poor design, etc05:19
esaymhmm that sucks05:19
Luke-Jryeah, unmaintained05:19
esaymfull of bugs or something?05:19
Luke-Jrnot overly usable05:20
esaymLuke-Jr: hmm sounds like you really don't like this thing...05:21
Luke-Jresaym: I wouldn't have bought it if I knew what I know now.05:21
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esaymLuke-Jr: do you want to sell it? rofl05:21
Luke-Jrone of the major features I bought it for was the GPS, which might as well not exist05:21
Luke-Jresaym: no, I can't find a suitable alternative either :?05:21
esaymLuke-Jr: yea I read that it was slow05:21
Luke-Jrnot just slow05:22
Luke-Jrproprietary blob driver05:22
Luke-Jrfull of bugs05:22
Luke-Jrreally, I wish I could get its features in a Zaurus clamshell with open docs05:22
Luke-Jr*that* would be usable05:23
esaymWell I have been looking for 2 days on the net for something that I can carry around in my pocket, that will let me make my own console app for taking bible notes05:23
esaymI am going to do with the 810 unless you can think of anything else better and not over $30005:23
esaymreally $250 is more than I wanted to spend...05:24
Luke-Jr$200 you mean05:24
esaymall pda's today don't really let you install software and are like $500+05:24
Luke-Jresaym: if all you want is console, I'm sure the N810 can pull it off-- exception only to the sucky keyboard05:25
esaymLuke-Jr: yes $200 would be nice...05:25
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Luke-Jrif you don't care for wifi, a clamshell Z would probably be better05:25
Luke-Jresaym: I wouldn't pay over $200 for a N810.05:25
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Luke-Jrwell, I wouldn't pay over $25, but not over $200 in any circumstances :P05:26
esaymLuke-Jr: seems the 810 seems to be in slow production and the online prices have gone through the roof.  Just last month they were going for $210 or so, not they are like $280.  They are $220 on but they are backordered..05:26
Luke-Jresaym: N810 is out of production in prep for N900 I think05:26
Luke-Jrebay should have decent prices05:27
Luke-Jralso, you'll need a decent size SD card (4 GB min, 8 GB ideal) if you want to run Gentoo ;)05:27
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esaymLuke-Jr: I really won't mind buying a new one, just to support nokia (for their excellnet product you know)05:27
esaymI would hate to see nokia give up on these devices...05:28
esaymAs you said, there really is no alternative...05:28
esaymeveryone making chessy pda's and closing them up05:28
Luke-Jresaym: from my perspective, Nokia isn't a company deserving support yet05:29
Luke-Jrat least not that department ☺05:29
esaymThese would be cool if they weren't all closed up:
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Luke-Jresaym: probably can find something more appropriate if you look enough, I would hope05:32
Luke-Jrmaybe not shipping with Linux, but easily supported05:32
esaymI looked05:32
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johnxI doubt there's anything as far along as the N810 in that form factor that has a more open, more complete linux install available05:34
Luke-Jrlook for devices based on the S3C6410 chip05:34
Luke-Jrfull spec docs are leaked to the community for that05:35
johnxso that's the smart q5 and q7, yes?05:35
Luke-Jryeah, but those don't have keyboards05:35
johnxno keyboard, no warranty in the US+EU, and pretty questionable construction05:35
johnxbut the price is right for sure05:35
Luke-JrOpenMoko too I think05:35
johnxtoo as in "also doesn't have a keyboard"? :)05:36
Luke-Jrjohnx: his problem is keyboard ☺05:36
Luke-Jrotherwise N810 would probably be fine05:36
GeneralAntillesHi, johnx.05:36
johnxallo GeneralAntilles05:36
johnxhow's the weather?05:37
johnxThe Zaurus keyboard is nice, and if you aren't using it for X11 or web browsing I could highly recommend almost any of them05:37
GeneralAntillesHot and rainy.05:37
johnxevery last one has a better keyboard for console stuff than the N81005:37
GeneralAntillesHow's life on the other coast?05:37
johnxGeneralAntilles, gorgeous weather overall, but today was cloudy and coolish05:38
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esaymhmm, yea I don't know what to do05:48
esaymso how is os2008 unmaintained? Did nokia move devlopers off of it or something?05:49
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esaymhmm I think I am going to get the 81006:02
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ShadowJKesaym, yeah it seems there are no nokia developers working on os2008 anymore, they're all working on the os for the next device06:22
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ShadowJKesaym, xterm (it's actually more like gnome-terminal, but whatever) in fullscreen mode and python or gcc from the tools/sdk repo and you've got a usable linux environment :P06:25
esaymShadowJK: and this new OS, it will not work on the 810 will it?06:26
esaymI won't work?06:26
ShadowJKIt will not work06:26
ShadowJKatleast not "as is"06:26
ShadowJKThe new device will have usable 3D accel, about twice as fast processor and twice the RAM06:27
esaymoh wow06:27
esaymtwice the price I am sure06:27
esaymthey might shoot themselves in the foot...06:27
ShadowJKthat too :)06:27
ShadowJKThe N810 was, what, 400-500 as new?06:28
esaymHow hard is it to cross compile a c++ app from a linux desktop onto the 810?06:28
esaymShadowJK: yea I think06:28
ShadowJKThere's a scratchbox-based SDK/environment available.. I haven't tried it, but I get the impression it can be somewhat quirky to install06:29
ShadowJKAlso vmware/qemu/etc images of ubuntu with the sdk preinstalled06:30
ShadowJKthey're probably easiest?06:30
ShadowJKI've got gcc setup on the N810 myself06:30
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ShadowJKThe Mer project, which is a community project to backport components from the new OS to the N8x0 (and other devices) uses suse's OBS instead of scratchbox06:31
neatojonesjust curious...does anyone know what command to run from terminal to recalibrate the screen?06:32
esaymneatojones: what do you mean "recalibrate"06:35
ShadowJKthe touchscreen06:35
neatojonesyeah.  It's a bout I have to touch about a cm above anything to click it.06:35
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ShadowJKtscalibrate on maemo I think06:38
ShadowJKonly thing in /usr/bin that seemed promising06:38
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neatojonessorry, that didn't make much sense.  I meant:  I have to touch about a centimeter above where I want to click on the screen.  It needs recalibrated, but I can't get to the normal calibration tool.06:39
neatojonesthanks ShadowJK06:39
neatojonesI'll try that06:39
neatojonesit appears that the actual command was ts_calibrate06:40
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sarowerhello all, I am just compiling a hello world using clutter library. It is creating the executable and also running it but nothing is showing. The window is not showing.06:55
sarowerWhat kind of problem may it be?06:55
Electric_Poisonthe n810 is pretty buggy06:55
sarowerany body any help?06:55
Electric_Poisonrhapsody died...06:56
Electric_Poisoni wish on rhapsody you could buy songs06:57
Electric_Poisonitd be way nicer06:57
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Electric_Poisonnobody here...07:01
neatojonesyeah.  But I don't use rhapsody at all.07:01
sarowerElectric_Poison: For me?07:02
neatojonesOr clutter...07:02
Electric_Poisoni use the trial rhapsody07:02
Electric_Poisonive had my tablet a week now07:02
Electric_Poisonwayfinder is much nicer than maemo mapper...07:03
Electric_Poisonin routing07:04
Electric_Poisonpidgin keeps commiting suicide..07:05
neatojonesyeah.  Pidgin does the same for me.07:05
Electric_Poisonits annoying07:05
neatojoneshow much is the wayfinder subscription?07:06
neatojonesfor a year?07:06
Electric_Poisonfor 3 years07:06
neatojonesoh.  hmm07:06
Electric_Poisonnot too nad of a price imo.07:06
neatojonesprobably not.07:06
Electric_Poisoni watched a vid of it on youtube. looks nice07:07
neatojonescomparable to buying a new GPS that would most likely need to be replace in about that time.07:07
Electric_Poisonthe car kit though...07:07
Electric_Poisonscrewing to the dashboard?07:07
Electric_Poisonwhose idea was that lol...07:08
Electric_Poisonhow do you rotate the nokia map btw?07:08
sarowerOn thing: I am trying to use the lib libgles2-dev for opengl support. But it is installed under "usr/share/docs" no package inside "/usr/inclue" or "/usr/lib". Only the *.so is there under "/usr/lib". So it does not get the package when i compile it .07:09
neatojonesI have no idea.07:09
sarowerWhat may be the problem...07:09
sarowerany body?07:09
Electric_Poisoni r linux noob07:09
neatojonesearlier in the day, there is usually a bigger crowd.07:09
neatojonespeople with more experience in those things07:09
sarowergcc -o main main.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev`07:09
Electric_Poisonim at work then -_-07:09
neatojonesor at about 2AM usa central time07:09
neatojonesthe European crew is up then.07:10
neatojonesor try leaving a message on talk.maemo.org07:11
ShadowJKElectric_Poison, I've considered screwing it to the cellphone holdeer (which attaches to window with suction cup)07:11
Electric_Poisoni did07:11
Electric_Poisoni dont  have a cell phone holder...07:12
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Electric_Poisoni  saw it in a video07:12
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ShadowJKamusingly the map application on N810 is navicore, not nokia's own map software :)07:13
ShadowJK(which they've got on symbian)07:13
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Electric_Poisonif you could blueooth to this and use it as a gps like that, i could use the maps on my 3600 slide07:14
Electric_Poisonfree routing07:14
ShadowJKneither have free routing?07:14
Electric_Poisonthis has paid routing07:15
Electric_Poisonand my nokia 3600 slide has maps program on it07:15
Electric_Poisonit can route07:15
Electric_Poisonit just needs a gps07:15
Electric_Poisonso pair these and voila... but it doesnt work like that...07:15
ShadowJKI downloaded Nokia Maps for my E70 and it wanted money for navigation :)07:17
ShadowJKThough with E75 I think there was a year free07:17
Electric_Poisonmine can route for free07:17
Electric_Poisonwith a gps it can route dynamically i think07:18
Electric_Poisoni gotta sleeo.07:20
Electric_Poisonnight all.07:20
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sarower/var/tmp/ccxi3ATA.o: In function `main':08:12
sarowermain.c:(.text+0x20c): undefined reference to `gtk_clutter_embed_new'  even after including "#include <clutter-gtk/gtk-clutter-embed.h>"08:12
sarowerany idea?08:14
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sarowerno body...!!08:21
sarowerno idea!08:22
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johnxsarower, give it some time. not everyone who's logged in here looks at the channel 24/708:26
sarowerits ok08:27
johnxno worries :)08:27
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slonopotamustoday's midori update broke pygtkeditor :(08:27
johnxhuh? how does that work?08:27
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slonopotamusjohnx, dunno, i can't find logs what updated besides midori  itself08:28
pupniki can't find my camera app pictures again08:29
pupnikthere's a ~/apps/camera - no pics08:29
pupnikfind doesn't find em in ~/08:29
pupnikor mmc1 or mmc208:30
pupniknothing in MyDocs08:30
pupnikfinding in / now08:30
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slonopotamusImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/ undefined symbol: gtk_about_dialog_get_documenters08:31
slonopotamusgoogle doesn't know such problem08:32
pupnikjesus, who decided to make these dirs preceeded with a dot08:32
pupnikfor user data08:32
pupniknot config data08:32
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pupnikthere we go08:37
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slonopotamusoh! i have geany. die, pygtkeditor, then08:39
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finnis there anything other than formating that I can try in order to get my SD card working over USB?08:48
slonopotamusfinn, sacrifise a virgin?08:49
finnso just forget about SD on the USB port?08:50
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slonopotamusfinn, i didn't say that :)08:50
finnbut there's nothing left to do..08:51
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RST38hfinn: Is your card formatted as FAT?09:06
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RST38hfinn: Do you have swap file enabled?09:07
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pupnikby the way.  the n810 camera really, really sucks09:13
finnhow do Icheck RST38h?09:15
finnit's the "no file system available" error09:16
RST38hfinn: Go into Settings and see if you have swap file enabled09:18
RST38hMaemo will not let you access a partition that contains swap file via USB09:18
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finnextend virtual memory?09:21
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finnI'll give it nother try now09:22
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finnnow all I nees is to figure outwhere I put the card reader before changing hotel rooms09:27
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finnthe error remains the same RST38h09:44
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Macercomcast is so awkward10:06
Macerlike a nat of a nat of a nat from a nat to a nat back to a nat10:06
pupnikhow diplomatic10:06
ds3Mmmmm gnats10:07
Macerlike the way i had to set it up as a bridge10:07
Maceri had to dmz it to my wifi router10:07
Macerand set up a static ip on the router using the public ip as a gateway and using some other ip as its ip10:07
Macerit was odd10:08
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ZakkmN800any update on n8x0 getting 3d acceleration?10:36
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andre__ZakkmN800, hmm?10:39
ZakkmN800lasti heard someone was going to ask10:39
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ZakkmN800havent been here in awhile10:39
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StskeepsZakkmN800: going in right direction i think10:48
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ZakkmN800Stskeeps: going to get?10:49
JaffaMorning, all10:49
ZakkmN800Morning Jaffa10:49
StskeepsZakkmN800: so far so good i think10:49
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ZakkmN800thats nice. my nokia been jusst so dead lately even considering selling10:50
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wazdheya maemo10:56
andre__yay, internal browser bug reports about pornpages not working correctly. looks like nokia testers know their customers... :-P10:57
ZakkmN800wazd: How goes the mer ui artwork?10:57
Stskeepsandre__: the success of a mobile device depends on how easy it is to browse porn with it10:58
andre__Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I also think10:58
Stskeepsthe japanese providers are being overloaded with porn data10:58
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andre__Stskeeps, hey, *i* was just typing a joke about japanese users. grrr! ;-)10:58
qwerty12They get off to cartoon porn, surely they don't need a site? :P10:59
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Stskeepsright, 10 o clock and the guy i'm supposed to meet didn't show up, lovely11:00
* Stskeeps could have stayed home and clean the house11:01
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Stskeepsone thing i hate about having birthday in the summer: everyone's gone11:03
Proteousyou can now just stay out and imagine a clean house11:03
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wazdZakkmN800: well, it's on hold right now, until I finish BlueMaemo stuff :)11:04
ZakkmN800what maemo theme do you guys use?11:05
qwerty12Echo, but Tritanium if my eyes are not in the mood to be killed11:06
ZakkmN800hah qwerty i just went from that to echo11:07
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sarowersob sala vudai...11:14
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qwerty12My Urdu is shit but I understood that to be insulting words :>11:14
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Maceri sure fucked up my home network setup11:16
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* RST38h yawns11:16
Macerand now i have to wait for the morn for someone at comcast to login to it11:16
Macerand fix my netmask11:16
Macermaybe i can just hook it up to the usb port and change it11:16
RST38hLetting Comcast manage your router?11:17
Maceri set it to
Stskeepsqwerty12: funny fact, the "not being able to click links" is not a touchscreen vs mouse issue - it's a x86 problem O_o11:17
Macerand after that i couldnt connect to it after setting the lan ip to
qwerty12Stskeeps: haha, this determined from the Joggler? :)11:18
Stskeepsqwerty12: yeah11:18
Stskeepsi'm really at a loss at wtf goes wrong - because panning works fine11:18
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Maceri really dont see why the netmask would break connexting to the comcast cm11:25
Macer255.0.0.0 is wide open11:25
Macermaybe i just messed up on the client side11:26
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Macerdont speak ze language11:33
* Stskeeps glances at his coffee11:33
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Maceralmost a whole week without smoking11:53
* Macer feels physically sick11:54
* Stskeeps has found a point where he can go addiction free, it seems like11:54
Stskeepswas a matter of finding the right cigs11:54
Macercoffee? ;)11:54
Macercoffee is just a substitute11:54
Stskeepswell, ok, my addictions switch11:54
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Macerdo it man! everybody is doing it!11:55
Maceri nees to fix my cable modem.. all this just because i wanted a vpn :)11:56
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taligHi everyone. You must have heard this one a million times: I need to get my wlan interface in promisc mode (promisc, not Monitor).12:57
taligAny solutions available (besides getting a usb adapter)12:58
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talig[Ah, yes, it's for the Nokia N810]12:58
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Stskeepsyour intent is to view other network traffic within the wlan network, i presume?13:07
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taligStskeeps - also13:15
taligi.e. I need to be able to to transmit.13:15
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rmttalig, Portable WAP hacking device?   Neat! :-)13:19
StskeepsWEP you mean13:19
rmter, yes13:19
taligSadly, nothing quite as sexy.13:20
StskeepsWAP hacking would be neat at times13:20
Stskeepsi think smartq5 might be neat for wep & such hacking really.. libertas driver13:20
* rmt is running out of coffee atm, it's quite serious.13:20
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taligSo, do you know of a possibility?13:20
Stskeepssure promisicous doesn't work already?13:21
Stskeepsi mean, wouldn't you need it to get DHCP?13:21
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syosofthey guys, i just came across my old 770 - thought i'd bring it back to life. I just put os2008HE on it and it seems to be fine (if not a little slow). I read that OS2008 enabled 8gb MMC support - is this still true on the 770 with OS2008?13:26
Stskeepselse there's fanoush's patches13:27
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syosoftAlso, how would I mount a SMB share (from my NAS) on boot mucho appreciated.13:32
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Stskeepsmount -t smbfs or cifs? :P13:37
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syosoftI dont need to install any packages or anything?13:39
syosoftheh, :)13:40
syosofti was kind of hoping for a comprehensive guide that some knew about13:40
taligStskeep - I need it for the reasons the promiscous mode is used.13:41
syosoftand the restriction on the WAP shared key is annoying13:41
taligNo, it doesn't work. What's fanoush's patch?13:41
Stskeepstalig: did you try enabling it with ifconfig? :P13:41
Stskeepstalig: that was for syosoft13:41
taligStskeeps: No, I was only born yesterday.13:42
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syosofttook me forever to realize it  was the ")" in the key that wouldn't allow me to connect - so then i had the joy of changing all of my other wifi devices.13:42
syosoftenabling something with ifconfig?13:42
syosoftI'm really not a cmd line kinda guy - i prefer when things just work. So - while i appreciate the suggestions, pls dont be vague, it'll just make me confused and odds are you guys will get frustrated with my lack of understanding13:43
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syosoftthats not to say i dont want or wont appreciate help, i just need more specific ish :)13:43
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RST38h"Cats manipulate humans by adding a baby-like cry to their purring."13:54
syosoftis that why some kids throw them around by their tails?13:55
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rmtI'm getting annoyed that the weather app keeps getting updated .. nice app, but if it's working, don't update it 3 times a month.14:02
andre__rmt: 3 times a month is too much? you have quite stable weather at your place it seems14:02
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Stskeepsin denmark it could just permanently change weather 4 times a day and it'd be accurate14:04
rmtandre__, :-P14:04
rmtThe application and the weather station DB14:04
Stskeepsrmt: unstable API probably14:05
rmtIt also then demands a reboot, and the last time broke the currently running app.14:05
rmtSo I had to reboot to get weather.14:05
andre__i still way prefer updates pushed every week instead of every half a year for software14:05
rmtIf it didn't demand a reboot, I wouldn't care so much.14:06
qwerty12_N810Blame hildon-desktop14:06
RST38hrmt: If you do not want the updates do not install them14:07
VDVsxhumm, fremantle beta 2 is coming up today ?14:07
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Stskeepsyay birthday present14:07
RST38hVDV: kidding, right?14:07
Stskeepssure looks like it14:07
* RST38h moos triumphantly then14:07
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RST38hSts: should we all wish you happy bd? =)14:08
rmtRST38h, Sure, but then I get a nice flashing thing which doesn't go away until I open up to see what needs to be installed.. which is of course only another weather app.. now, if it only took 2 seconds to do that, once again, I wouldn't mind. :-P14:08
Stskeepsyes, i turned 25 :P14:08
RST38hheya wazd14:08
wazdRST38h: heya :)14:08
X-FadeStskeeps: Congrats!14:08
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: happy birthday :)14:08
danielwilmsStskeeps happy birthday!14:08
VDVsxStskeeps, happy birthday :P14:08
rmtStskeeps, Happy b'day, you whipper snapper!14:08
RST38hSts: You now officially have 8 years to deserve a crucifixion =)14:08
StskeepsRST38h: i'm going to DebConf in 9 days. I'll get crucified with ducttape.14:09
RST38hSts: That still sounds better than debian packaging though14:10
wazdanyone else was born in july?)14:10
* RST38h subtracts 9.14:10
VDVsxFeb here :)14:11
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* wazd turned 22 2 days ago :)14:12
wazdqwerty12_N810: btw, thanks for happyb'ding :D14:12
RST38hwazd: Another 11 years to found a religion, get at least 12 close friends and a rat.14:13
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Stskeepshehe, thanks14:20
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lcuk2rmt, how do you expect them to get to top of downloads list if they dont keep getting updated ;)14:22
VDVsxX-Fade, nice :)14:23
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lcuk2happy birthday Stskeeps14:24
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timelyxhappy birthday14:25
timelyxinz: where are you now?14:25
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timelyxhow's the latest release going? (don't ask me to use a browser, mine is busy upgrading)14:26
timelyxoh,... in other news...14:26
timelyxcould i interest someone in reimplementing control panel?14:26
timelyxmaemo is trying its best to emulate windows 2.x or so14:26
timelyxwhere each thing shares process space14:27
timelyxmore importantly, control panel applets are modal to the control panel14:27
timelyxwhich means that if you e.g. need to fix your clock while you're doing something complicated in a control panel, you14:27
timelyx're so out of luck14:27
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Stskeepswe're planning to scrap cp, just use desktop files instead14:28
lcuk2but breaking them off and having each panel applet as standalone requires special consideration within wm14:28
qwerty12_N810You can run applets from a different process, I have the osso-statusbar-cpu bringing me the clock cp14:28
timelyxif done right, i could actually fix the clock without discarding whatever i was doing in the other control panel applet14:28
lcuk2ok, maybe not the editors, but the visible indicators do14:28
* timelyx chuckles14:29
timelyxi had an applet which insisted it was already running14:29
X-FadeArgh! Feedburner is caching my blog feed and it is outdated.14:29
timelyxno matter how i started it14:29
timelyx(even after restarting the device)14:29
timelyxpoor engineer was slightly embarassed14:29
lcuk2isnt that what testing is for tho :)14:30
timelyx30mins of sitting ...14:31
timelyxmy keyboard is apparently not nglish anymore14:31
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timelyx... sitting with the engineer while he demo'd his product14:31
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: That'd be interesting actually, get hd to look in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel/ and pass the value in the X-control-panel field to osso_cp_plugin_execute14:31
timelyxyep... a must fix list that iirc filled a page front+back :)14:31
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lcuk2heh timelyx how many of those were made up of sucking air through teeth and errr that might take a while ;)14:34
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* VDVsx just upgraded his fremantle sdk... hildon-desktop don't start anymore :P14:37
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andre__VDVsx, file bugs ;-)14:39
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wazdhmm, nothing really new in SDK?)14:41
VDVsxandre__, so many errors, I have to wait for the official beta 2, I guess14:41
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andre__VDVsx, but the official beta 2 is out :-P14:41
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VDVsxandre__, humm, thanks, will give a try after lunch :)14:42
lcuk2andre__, how recently?  as in just being rolled out now?14:43
* lcuk2 gets lost by the numbers14:43
lcuk2ooooh swankeh!14:43
RST38hVDV: "A clean and fresh install is recommended because the software has evolved since the last release. However, an upgrade from Beta release can be attempted by following the instructions in the Installation page."14:44
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rkirtierrr.. is this talk about the beta 2 sdk or something else ?14:44
lcuk2i hope its about the sdk lol14:45
VDVsxRST38h, RST38h, lol, my instructions was the usual, apt-get update - upgrade14:45
RST38hStatus bar area now available14:45
lcuk2andre__, might be on about something else14:45
RST38hVDV: Wrong, WRONG thing to do...14:45
RST38hVDV: (with Maemo anyway)14:45
jjoupgrade should work if you follow the instructions ;)14:46
rkirtilcuk2: I asked because when I googled, hoping to get the new sdk, I got into the beta 2 release of eclipse integration instead. Maybe I am just short of caffeine :-14:46
lcuk2yeah prolly14:46
* Stskeeps wonders if rkirti's caffeine addiction is related to the gsoc work14:47
lcuk2you need to get a bigger coffee pot14:47
rkirtiStskeeps: huh?14:47
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jjocouple of debs cause problems but you can work around the problem by installing them first14:47
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Stskeepsif i had to do your gsoc work, i would develop a severe caffeine addiction14:48
rkirtiStskeeps: life at my institute == 10-12 cups of coffee a day to survive the exams , 5-6 a day otherwise. My parents are so sick of my coffee habits that they totally ban it when I am at home :-(14:49
rkirtiStskeeps: rright. <sarcasm>I totally believe that, with all my heart </sarcasm> You are doing SO MUCH MORE :-/14:50
Stskeepsah, withdrawal at parents make the experience so much better14:51
rkirtihows the b'day celebrations going ?14:51
Stskeepsat a train station14:51
Stskeepsgood fun :P14:51
lcuk2rkirti, thats an awful lot of water intake, you should really just start chewing coffee beans14:51
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lcuk2and bypass the extra trips to the toilet ;)14:52
RST38hSts: Don't you try to quit on us this early! =)14:52
RST38hHmm, no esound on the Fremantle device. Have to get back to my ALSA code14:53
andre__Stskeeps, cheers14:53
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timelyxlcuk2: i think most of them were more like "doh. <q class=stern>this will be fixed"14:54
lcuk2yeah i have lots of notes like that14:56
lcuk2i gather you didnt let the poor guy whip out an editor and change it there and then ;)14:56
timelyxthere were also some <q class=underbreath>the testers should have found this14:56
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timelyxandre__: ping14:56
timelyxi've got a bug for you (i think)14:57
timelyxandre__: find a password field in Maemo514:57
timelyxenter: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz (don't press <enter>)14:57
timelyxor if you prefer: qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm (don't press <enter>)14:57
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timelyxwhen you're ready, press and hold <backspace>14:58
timelyxpay close attention near the end14:58
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StskeepsRST38h: going to southern jutland to meet up with the fiancee :P14:59
andre__timelyx, browser, or system (like device lock)?14:59
timelyxi haven't tried browser14:59
timelyxi encountered it "elsewhere"14:59
Stskeepsgah.. driving in the wrong direction14:59
timelyxvisiting the other woman?15:00
Stskeepshehe, no :P15:00
Stskeepsi just don't like to sit with my back to the driving direction :P15:00
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timelyxanyway, i should be off15:02
timelyxmy phone should be charged15:02
Stskeepsjjo, weird question - where is your theme?15:04
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Stskeepsah, nokia-binaries15:04
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Stskeepsis there a new theme in the new SDK?15:15
RST38hNo new screenshots yet15:15
RST38hBut from the bugs-fixed list it looks like they are now making effort to make the desktop resizable15:16
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JaffaX-Fade: packages looks cool, repository list page looks a little short, could probably double the number of packages shown15:16
wazdbtw, can I install SDK on Kubuntu?)15:17
X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, there are still a lot of things I need to tweak.15:17
wazdor should I use gnome one?15:17
RST38hI do not think it matters15:17
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X-FadeJaffa: But to be honest, I'm already suprised I made it in time for the beta2 release ;)15:17
finnRST38h: the missing file system error is still present15:18
RST38hfinn: Then I dunno.15:18
andre__RST38h, "desktop resizable" means?15:18
finnk, thanks15:18
JaffaX-Fade: :)15:18
X-FadeJaffa: Turns out dependency trees etc, can be really hard :)15:19
RST38handre: Quoting from changes document: #2785 status bar should be resizeable.15:20
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andre__RST38h, well, for that bug i can say that the space is now much much better used15:22
andre__ok, it's still not resizable. but that's not needed anymore15:22
RST38handre: Screenshots?15:23
andre__RST38h, i don't plan to be the leak ;-)15:23
andre__seen it in copenhagen15:23
RST38handre: Well, beta2 has been just released15:23
andre__yeah, and i haven't tried beta2 yet15:23
RST38hSo you won't be leaking anything15:23
RST38hah ok15:23
andre__don't know if that part is included in beta2 actually15:24
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taligAnyone has any idea about making promisc mode work in N810?15:24
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amrdid this channel get a lot bigger or is it me?15:26
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lbtyou shrank15:26
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* Jaffa wonders if the "installation guide" RST38h quoted makes it clear and easy to differentiate between re-installing Scratchbox, and reinstalling the rootstrap.15:27
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amri wonder what i can do with my 770...15:28
amrit has the wsod problem15:28
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amris there a way to save the 770 after a wsod?15:30
amri assume a reflashing wont do anything15:30
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qwerty12_N810arrange for a friend to steal it and get £5 back from the insurance15:31
taligGuys, anyone has a clue about enabling wifi in promiscuous mode, except for attaching a usb wlan device?15:32
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GeneralAntillesStskeeps, happy birthday. :P15:34
StskeepsGeneralAntilles: ta15:34
Stskeepsand of course a shitload of work to do, with beta2 coming out15:34
GeneralAntillesandre__, can I talk you into deconfusing ? :P15:34
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andre__GeneralAntilles, how to deconfuse if i"m confused myself? :-P15:35
GeneralAntillesandre__, the guy is using things to prove to the other me that I'm confused.15:36
GeneralAntillesThe problem is that he's confusing the N800 power-on issue with this issue.15:36
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andre__GeneralAntilles, and you expect me to....?15:37
GeneralAntillesandre__, make everything magically clear. :P15:37
andre__so I add a "You are all wronk! WRONK!" comment?! hmm... :)15:38
GeneralAntillesDamn, X-Fade.15:38
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Wazzup?15:38
lbtjeremiah_:  p i n g15:38
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, packages looks swanky.15:39
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Well, didn't do much about the looks yet. About 30 minutes orso ;)15:39
RST38hJaffa: I am pretty sure they mean the whole new installation, SB etc15:40
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timelysHey, anyone here have the latest sdk?15:42
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GeneralAntillesStill no task switcher?15:42
timelysDoes the sdk have any username with password dialogs?15:43
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GeneralAntillesHello, S60 icons.15:47
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JaffaRST38h: Eugh, why should an SDK upgrade require me to go through the pain of a Scratchbox install.15:48
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JaffaAnd this is why I mutter about developer pain15:48
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RST38hSts: Where?16:01
RST38hJaffa: I dunno. I don't care to know. All I know is that every time I try partial upgrade things go wrong16:01
RST38hJaffa: On Windows, all this crap would come in a single MaemoSDK.msi file that you click on.16:02
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RST38hMeanwhile... The Chinese government has declared that electric shock treatment is not a suitable therapy for youths allegedly addicted to the internet.16:03
Stskeepsit's nt?16:04
RST38hthey probably LIKE it16:04
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fiferboycoldboot: Hi, did you submit the fix?16:08
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* GAN800 mutters about New Yorkers.16:08
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GAN800Did we get MicroB in beta 2? I saw some stuff in non-free but didn't have time to check free.16:14
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andre__GAN800, as far as I know browser is not included (not tried beta2 myself though)16:16
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GAN800Parts of it are then, I guess.16:17
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timelysIt wasn't supposed to go16:18
andre__sigh. fremantle still has lots of proxy bugs. sigh. sigh. sigh.16:18
timelysI'm shocked!16:19
man_in_shackSHOCKINGLY SHOCKED16:19
X-Fadeandre__: Probably because the Nokia proxy is buggy :)16:19
GAN800Fremantle still has lots of communication bugs. . . .16:20
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* GAN800 is tired of seeing andre in my bugmail.16:20
GAN800No offense, andre__. ;)16:20
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andre__GAN800, no problem, i can resign immediately ;-)16:21
GAN800Only if it'd kick those damn Nokians into action. ;)16:22
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lcuk3GAN800, book a flight, knock on the door carefully (watch out, its automatic), kick ass16:26
RST38hGAN: It would require sqcrificing virgins, I am afraid.16:26
RST38hRepetitively, too.16:26
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GAN800RST38h, shouldn't be a problem. This IS IRC. ;)16:27
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wazd_ubuntuhehe :)16:28
RST38hNo, looks like it will need to be an IRL sacrifice =)16:28
RST38hHehe, wazd ended up installing ubuntu =)16:28
timeless_mbpGAN800: it's only going to get worse for a bit16:28
timeless_mbpbut keep in mind, most nokians are on vacation this month :)16:28
timeless_mbpit should get better sometime around harmattan :)16:28
lcuk3thats umpossible, gan hasn't unlocked "going outside" achievement16:28
RST38hwazd: Gnome desktop is actually cleaner, although lacks many "features"16:28
timeless_mbp(don't ask me what a harmattan is, i don't know)16:28
wazd_ubunturst38h, well, I even installed VMWare tools :P16:29
GAN800timeless_mbp, Nokia is slowly wearing away all of my enthusiasm for this platform. :)16:29
timeless_mbpGAN800: it's all about the people :)16:30
GAN800lcuk3, it was worth 50g, and I have too, you dolt. :P16:30
timeless_mbp(the people here that is)16:30
wazd_ubunturst38h, dunno if it will enable some kind of 3d acceleration though16:30
lcuk3timeless_mbp, does that mean we need "fixed in frem^W harmattan" tshirts16:30
timeless_mbplcuk3: i think you can wait at least a month before you start negotiating with a printer for those :)16:31
timeless_mbpfor all i know you might be able to wait twenty or thirty months :)16:31
timeless_mbp(but i sure hope not)16:31
* timeless_mbp knows nothing about schedules and likes it that way16:31
fiferboywazd: If you have OpenGL in Windows and use virtualbox 3 you can use OpenGL in the guest16:31
fiferboyI'm not sure about VMWare, I think it does an OpenGL/Direct3D translation on some combination of host/guest systems16:32
RST38hwazd: Are you running it inside VMWare then?16:32
wazd_ubuntufiferboy: I have OpenGL but I use VMWare :(16:32
wazd_ubuntursT38h, yep16:32
timeless_mbpwazd: upgrade ;-)16:32
RST38hAh, just install Ubuntu directly16:32
fiferboywazd_ubuntu: VMWare might do OpenGL->OpenGL too now, I'm not sure16:32
RST38hI mean, sooner or later, you will still end up installing it directly, so why delay the inevitable...16:32
fiferboywazd_ubuntu: This might work for you:
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wazdfiferboy: oh, thanks!16:36
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Jaffa3.3x faster ARM JIT just been pushed into Jalimo16:51
javispedrocacao or?16:52
RST38hUsing Jazelle or what?16:54
taligHi everyone, does anyone know of a way to get the wlan0 in promisc mode?16:54
javispedroisn't Jazelle yet another totally undocumented and unused feature of my beloved N8x0?16:54
X-FadeIs it me or is there an echo in here?16:55
javispedrotoo many questions? :D16:55
taligI think he's referring to me repeating the same unanswered question...16:56
taligBut I may be wrong16:56
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GAN800talig, you don't.17:03
taligWhy not? :(17:03
GAN800Unless you can hack the firmware.17:03
taligCould you please elaborate a bit? Also, there's the open source driver - you have a clue if that will do the trick?17:05
talig[I mean the stlc45xx driver]17:05
X-Fadetalig: "Start interface in promiscuous mode by default.17:06
X-FadeGoogle tells me that at least.17:06
timeless_mbpjavispedro: so um...17:07
javispedrohi :D17:07
taligX-Fade, thanks. Do you know if it works though?17:08
X-Fadetalig: Why don't you try it out? :)17:08
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lcuk3and write a nice wiki page to help people who follow17:08
javispedrowhy the * does that contain a link to mozillazine's "Help with Embedded Video for Firefox" thread?17:09
taliglcuk - definitely, if I'm forced to go through with it... X-Fade, I suppose I will inevitably have to. I was hoping to find here someone who already has, since there isn't much mentions about all of this online.17:09
timeless_mbpjavispedro: i was wondering about that :)17:10
fiferboylbt: Hi David17:10
timeless_mbpjavispedro: but really...17:10
javispedrotimeless_mbp, according to wikipedia "The published specifications are very incomplete, being only sufficient for writing operating system code that can support a JVM that uses Jazelle"17:10
X-FadeDoes anybody have a package that can be uploaded to fremantle extras-devel, so I can test the upgraded autobuilder? :)17:10
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timeless_mbpif i sold you a pocket knife17:11
timeless_mbpand said "you can use this to cut things, and it'll fit in your pocket"17:11
timeless_mbpwould you complain if it was actually a swiss army knife and could do a bunch of other things?17:11
timeless_mbpi didn't market those other features, and i probably bought the knife without intending to use them, so i didn't pay for the documentation on those other features17:11
timeless_mbpwhich made it cheaper for me to test and package and document my knife17:12
lbtfiferboy: hi Andrew17:12
lbtI'm just writing up some OBS cross compile stuff17:12
RST38hjavispedro: As far as I know, Jazelle is disabled unless you pay extra money to ARm to enable it17:12
fiferboylbt: I'm taking a look at those issues Antonio brought up about finger scrolling17:12
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lbtdid he reply about the branch?17:13
RST38hjavispedro: And no, it is not just lack of documentation but an actual disabled-on-chip thing17:13
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javispedroplease note I'm not blaming Nokia for this17:13
lbt(also, did you see my comments on branching ... and what do you think?)17:13
fiferboylbt: hildon-pannable-area seems to arbitrarily limit the maximum scroll width to 788 and height to 37817:13
lbtI don't think we should be emulating h-p-a in many ways ;)17:13
lbtfiferboy: imagine Mer, using h-p-a on an 800x600 device17:14
fiferboylbt: I saw them, and I think I agree :)17:14
javispedroRST38h: on the other side, I find it hard to believe they selectively disable/enable Jazelle17:15
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lbtBTW, I installed fremantle conboy on Mer now17:15
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lbtand it uses h-p-a17:15
fiferboylbt: I know, maybe I should put it in a FREMANTLE ifdef17:15
javispedroconsidering they've done a pretty nice job "hiding the details", why disable it?17:15
lbtand it breaks :)17:15
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lbt'cos conboy can't select text anymore!17:15
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fiferboylbt: All teh fremantle deps are there?17:15
lbtfiferboy: I don't like ifdefs based on things like 'FREMANTLE' .. they should be functional17:16
GAN800timeless_mbp, but I want the Swiss Army Knife for the pocket knife price.17:16
lbtand then the ./configure for fremantle should (de-)select them17:16
timeless_mbpGAN800: well, figuring out how to use it safely is your problem17:16
javispedrotimeless_mbp: I blame ARM and Omap. I didn't blame Palm when they did not provide USB host software, but since I had free XScale documentation I developed a driver myself and thus satifised my hacking needs17:16
fiferboylbt: I understand trying to get Qt to behave as much like Fremantle as possible at this point17:16
javispedro(and BTW I fried my Palm T|X that way :P )17:17
JaffaRST38h: Cacao: not sure; javispedro: not Jazelle17:17
timeless_mbpjavispedro: heh17:17
timeless_mbpjavispedro: anyway... you sound like the kind of person who could try poking jazelle17:17
lbtwon't she object?17:17
javispedronot at all, since I can't read ARM assembler :D17:17
timeless_mbpreading arm asm isn't that bad17:18
fiferboyIf we are going to limit something in finger scrolling to make it like h-p-a, at least we can only do it for Fremantle17:18
StsMobI wonder if two touch is good for selecting stuff17:18
RST38hjavispedro: let me look around for a moment17:18
fiferboyNot the best solution, perhaps, but it'll kind of work for now, sort of17:18
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lbtfiferboy: well, I hate having to #define FREMANTLE in Mer17:19
fiferboylbt: Okay, so with git if I want to work only on the mew-fingerscrolling branch but still need to compile with all the qt-diablo fixes, how best to do that?17:19
RST38hjavispedro: somebody got there before you:
fiferboylbt: Ah yes, because you want all the Fremantle features but no the limitations...17:19
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fiferboyMaybe we should have FREMANTLE_FEATURE and FREMANTLE_LIMIT :)17:20
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lbtmake it functional... LIMIT_SCROLL_AREA17:20
lbtthen #ifdef FREMANTLE #define LIMT....17:20
fiferboyWouldn't that still limit for mer with the FREMANTLE define?17:20
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lbtyes, but I'll have one less to fix when I go and correct them all17:21
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fiferboyAlrighty, I can do that.17:21
javispedro" the Java hypothetical machine (JVM) " this is going to be fun :D17:21
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fiferboylbt: Currently I cloned the git repo, created a "merging" branch and checked out qt-diablo and merged mer-fingerscrolling17:22
fiferboyIf I want to work on finger scrolling, should I have it completely separated in a different branch?17:23
RST38hBTW, Cortex appears to not support Jazelle17:23
RST38hSo forget about it in N9x017:23
javispedroRST38h: cause I assume that at some point it's just slower than JIT17:23
fiferboyAnd if I want to test the compile, have a qt-diablo branch and merge my local finger scrolling branch in?17:23
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lbthave you read
Jaffajavispedro: That'd be my guess too. A good JIT should outperform Jazelle17:24
VDVsxlcuk3, "Update: With the Fremantle beta2 release the Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) aka 4500MHD aka GM45 on Ubuntu 9.04 seems to work fast out of the box without any special configuration."17:24
lbtfiferboy: that sounds close17:24
fiferboylbt: I have looked at that before17:24
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lbtI think you should checkout mer/fingerscroll, make changes  and then17:25
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lbtto test, merge into a build branch and then build17:25
lcuk3VDVsx, now that sounds like a serious improvement!17:25
javispedroeither way wikipedia says Cortex ha s it17:25
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fiferboyOh My God!  I think I understand git!17:25
RST38hjavispedro: ARM says Cortex does not have Jazelle17:25
fiferboy(a little bit)17:25
VDVsxlcuk3, you can test it now :)17:25
RST38hjavispedro: "Provides trivial implementation where BXJ acts as BX"17:26
lcuk3not really, still doesnt support xv i bet17:26
* lcuk3 will just carry on making n8x0 better :)17:26
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javispedroI think I read somewhere about that, that they were concentrating instead on "accelerating common JITted languages operations"17:27
fiferboylbt: Can we remove the "fingerscroll" branch from gitorious and just keep "mer-fingerscrolling"?17:27
lbtyes, I think so.17:27
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lbtdelete locally and :     git push :deadbranch17:27
lbtthe : is important17:28
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Jaffajavispedro RST38h:
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javispedro"It delivers 70-80% of the performance of a JIT without the additional costs associated with a JIT solution such as extra memory to cache the JIT code"17:33
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RST38hJaffa: This does not sound like big news then17:34
RST38hSo, they replaced C interpreter with assembly one...17:34
javispedroone of the reasons of Jazelle is reduced memory usage17:34
glasshow expensive they think memory is17:34
RST38hStill no prepackaged MIDP solution for the tablets in Extras, too17:34
javispedroso I see why ARM is targeting that17:34
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ShadowJKI heard nokia doesn't use it in any of their phones17:35
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ShadowJKthe licensing fees to arm are probably not worth it :)17:36
glassyeah probably not17:37
glassper mhz their own vm(sun originated iirc..) isn't bad17:37
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VDVsxhumm, the main menu layout in the beta 2 is a bit weird17:37
lcuk3this thread is useless without screenshots17:38
javispedroagreed :)17:38
coldbootfiferboy: Just got in to work, haven't submitted it yet.17:39
fiferboycoldboot: Gotcha.  Glad it's working17:39
RST38hglass: Sun has two17:39
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RST38hglass: One is SunSpot, which costs money, near impossible to get unless you are a big company, and uses JIT17:40
RST38hglass: Another is KVM, free but really really slow17:40
glassRST38h: yep but i'm not sure which nokia has and also could fall under some nda..17:40
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VDVsxprobably will appear more things in this menu17:42
lcuk3anonymous delivers!17:43
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javispedroi'm seeing there's no j2se jazelle-enabled vm available, not even from Sun.17:44
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VDVsxalso new:
RST38hglass: Well, my E70 definitely has KVM =)17:46
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javispedrogreen close icon???? that's it, i'm not buying the N900 ;)17:50
VDVsxjavispedro, the dev theme is green :)17:51
javispedroI'll need to install that someday17:51
fiferboyOh no, I think I am starting to like git!17:52
coldbootCan you fix your git repository in Gitorious, or once you push is it there forever?17:53
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fiferboyI haven't done anything with gitorious repos yet...17:53
lbtcoldboot: define 'fix'17:53
ShadowJKjavispedro, yeah you have to pay arm for it17:54
javispedroShadowJK, you have to pay for the J2ME one. The J2SE one is not even available.17:54
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coldbootlbt: I reverted the wrong change and pushed to my fork of qt-maemo.17:54
coldbootlbt: I want to fix it up, by removing that revert, and having the erased history reflected on gitorious.17:55
lbtby revert... did you commit a deletion patch?17:55
coldbootlbt: Yeah17:56
lbtor reset HEAD by -1 ?17:56
RST38hjavispedro: The green close button is probably the least of the problems with Fremantle UI17:56
coldbootlbt: I committed a git-revert17:56
lbtOK, you can probably reset HEAD17:56
lbtgit reset HEAD^117:56
coldbootBut I have other commits surrounding it now17:56
lbtuse gitk --all&17:56
coldbootI have 1, 2, 3, 4 -- and I want to delete 217:56
qwerty12_N810RST38h: UI?...17:56
lbtOK, go to 1,17:56
lbtcherry pick 3,417:56
lcuk3VDVsx, well at least it doesnt look likea  music player anymore :p17:56
javispedroRST38h, just being sarcastic :)17:57
lbtdelete orig branch17:57
lbtname 4 as head of new branch17:57
RST38hShadowJK: "pay arm for it" sounded...mmm...deeper than it should have17:57
coldbootlbt: Is there any way to do this on Gitorious as well?17:57
lbta push will then send it to remote17:57
lcuk3javispedro, be thankful theres a close icon at all!  its one of the biggest bones on contention according to t.m.o17:58
coldbootlbt: And overwrite the history?17:58
RST38h"An Italian wedding reception ended badly when the bride's bouquet downed an ultralight aircraft"17:58
lbtyou risk upsetting people who have pulled but you don't care :)17:58
coldbootlbt: Okay cool, I thought git-push wouldn't let you do that.17:58
lbtthere is no history if nothing points to a point in the future17:58
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coldbootlbt: So what happens to others if you do this?17:58
lbtthey have a dangling commit which should be pruned17:58
lbtas there is no ref17:58
javispedroohh... a multitasking gadget without close icon... microsoft already tried it ;)17:59
lbtit's bad practice if you run a genuine shared repo17:59
lbtyou're just learning and have no friends though ;)17:59
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lbtI would be cautious doing it to qt-maemo17:59
lbtand wouldn't do it to qt18:00
VDVsxanyone knows how to run/view the example-status-applet & maemo5-load-applet  ? :)18:00
coldbootlbt: I did all of the cherry-picking, and git reset --hard HEAD, but git-branch still says I'm on "no branch"18:00
coldbootlbt: This was all on the qt-diablo branch.18:00
lbturl ?18:01
lbtnhooey ?18:01
coldbootIt hasn't been pushed yet18:02
coldbootlbt: I have git-log showing everything I want, it's all ready to go, I just need to have git-branch show that I'm on qt-diablo instead of "no branch"18:02
coldbootlbt: I have to move the head of qt-diablo to point to the head I'm looking at now, right?18:03
lbtprobably git branch -d qt-diablo ; git checkout -b qt-diablo18:03
coldbootlbt: That's probably going to delete a branch, then try to checkout a branch that no longer exists...18:05
lbtit deletes the mnemonic reference to a commit18:06
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lbtthen it starts on the current commit and creates a branch (mnemonic reference) to the current commit called qt-maemo18:06
lbtI think18:07
amrsounds simple18:07
lbtit's actually very simple :)18:07
lbta branch is a file holding a number18:07
lbtif you look at the number it contains a back-link (linked-list style) to the previous commit(s)18:08
lbta branch is *not* a collection of commits18:08
coldbootOh I had to `git reset --hard <commit_that_i_want_as_head>` while I was on the qt-diablo branch.18:08
coldbootA branch is a pointer to a commit, which has many ancestor pointers, right?18:09
lbtOK, wasn't sure if checkout -b works on a non-branch18:09
coldbootWho else would git be for? ;)18:09
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coldbootWow much longer...18:09
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andre___Stskeeps, can you check 4649 again in SDK beta2?18:10
RST38hlbt: Are all of these instances of "git for geeks" though?18:10
lbtgeek is the new black18:10
* RST38h hands lbt a machete18:11
* lbt wanders out to cut down the jungle...... I'll be back for breakfast... smoke me a kipper!18:12
coldbootDoes anyone know how to merge request?18:15
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lcuk3lbt, "what a guy!"18:18
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javispedroI hate myself. Was thinking "don't read that jazelle discussion, don't read that jazelle discussion don't read or you'll do no real work today"18:24
javispedroI read it.18:24
coldbootAlright I sent a merge request for the flickering bug for qt-maemo on qt-diablo branch.18:24
javispedroalready fired up gdb :(18:25
fiferboycoldboot: Got the merge request18:25
coldbootThis is so fun.18:25
fiferboyProbably should have sent it to Antonio...18:25
RST38hjavispedro: And now the worst thing is going to happen to you18:26
coldbootI just made the request on Gitorious, it should be sent to everyone.18:26
fiferboyAh, okay.  It looks like it is only to me in my email.18:26
RST38hjavispedro: You will start hacking it and the next thing you know, it is Christmas18:26
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coldbootfiferboy: Probably sends out separate emails to each person.18:26
fiferboycoldboot: Probably right18:26
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fiferboylbt: Everytime I try to checkout mer-fingerscrolling I get this:18:27
fiferboygit checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing18:27
javispedrolucky for me I'm going on vacation soon18:28
javispedrobtw, does any of you use a handheld (not a car) garmin gps? do you know some neat backtrack-like software?18:28
javispedrofor the nit of course18:28
fiferboylbt: I can check out other branches with no problems18:28
lbtmer/fingerscrolling ?18:29
fiferboylbt: It helps if I use the correct branch name :|18:31
* lbt nods18:31
fiferboymer-fingerscroll, I was using mer-fingerscrolling18:31
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fiferboylbt: overshoot max is actually 150, I was reading the MAXIMUM WIDTH/HEIGHT ALLOCATABLE TO H-P-A18:37
fiferboyThey actually restrict the size of the widget based on the screen resolution18:37
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lbtcoldboot: I think tThe merge request should be against the right branch.18:57
lbtI think hildon-input-method ? rather than qt-maemo?18:58
javispedrowhat a fast hacking session18:59
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javispedrojazelle IS enabled on the N81018:59
javispedro.byte 4  /* iconst_1 */.byte 0xFF /* eof? */18:59
javispedroproduces r3             0x1118:59
javispedroso it has loaded a 1 on the java stack19:00
javispedroit eventually crashes since it keeps on running19:00
javispedrobut the 1 is there, on the java stack :D19:00
coldbootlbt: qt-diablo it should be against19:01
lbtwhy ?19:01
coldbootlbt: I'm not sure, that's what I was told initially to pull from...19:01
lbtyes, well :)19:02
lbtwe need (as a group) to better understand how to use DVCS19:02
coldbootProbably true.19:02
lbtI have proposals19:02
lbtbut they may not fit with how others work19:02
coldbootSo just to be clear, should I have pulled from qt-diablo to begin with?19:02
coldbootAnd then I merge request to hildon?19:03
lbtqt-diablo is a working, fully merged branch19:03
coldbootSo I merge to hildon, and eventually someone merges back to diablo when they feel it's safe.19:03
lbtdid you catch my email on the qt-dev list?19:03
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lbtwe should be maintaining a managed set of patches19:03
coldbootI'm not subscribed.19:04
lbtah... subscribe19:04
lbtit's very low volume19:04
coldbootQt Interest not so much.19:04
coldbootWhat's the list literally called?19:04
javispedro(na, forget that, I spoke too fast)19:04
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Jaffajavispedro: Oh, coo.. <reads further/> crap.19:06
javispedrolol sorry19:07
coldbootI think a merge request should have suggested destinations, but the accepter should be able to do whatever they want with it.19:08
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Jaffajavispedro: You had no idea how excited I was briefly ;-)19:09
coldbootAlso, the accepter should be able to configure a message that the requester reads before submitting.19:09
Jaffa~seen lardman19:09
infobotlardman <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 7h 5m 24s ago, saying: 'morning'.19:09
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coldbootlbt: If I try to merge to hildon-input-method from qt-diablo, then I get a long list of unrelated qt-diablo commits that are going to be sent...19:21
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coldbootlbt: Okay I sent a merge request from nhooey/hildon-input-method to qt-maemo/hildon-input-method, by cherry-picking my two commits over to hildon-input-method...19:31
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yutsaihi guys, is there anyway to read XKeyEvent without using hildon on Maemo?19:32
yutsaii am trying to type on my X11 applications, but KeyPress event just not delegated to my apps.19:33
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javispedrouses gdk afaik19:42
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yutsaijavispedro, i have some reasons couldn't use gdk. i am writing pure opengl es2 program.19:43
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yutsaijavispedro, EGL surface is built on plain x11 window19:44
yutsaihmm turning x11 into gdk, interesting! thanks!19:45
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javispedroI hope it works, cause I never tried it...19:46
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napsyHello. Is it possible to use openstreetmap as the default map for the GPS tracker on n810?20:25
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ShadowJKnapsy, I think you want to install maemomapper20:27
napsyhm ok20:28
napsybecause I lost the original map that comes with nokia when I flashed the device20:28
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mgedminmaemomapper is *awesome*20:29
mgedminosm2go is also awesome, if you want to edit openstreetmap rather than look at it20:29
mgedminflashing shouldn't have removed the original map; it's stored in the internal sd card which is not touched by flashing20:30
ShadowJKnapsy, the original map application is probably installable through application manager, and then you can download maps from inside the map application20:30
mgedmin(but which often came from the factory misformatted and could easily get corrupted)20:30
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rkirtiWhat is this "comapp" package that so many diablo apps are asking for ? It doesnt seem to be in the apt repos20:47
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ShadowJKappears in repos for me20:48
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rkirtiShadowJK: sorry, I was trying to get diablo apps to build outside sb, but using fremantle repos.21:00
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lcukevening maemo \o21:03
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wazdyou know what?)21:10
wazdlooks like this *is* the final fremantle UI :D21:10
wazdwith some minor changes like icons'n'stuff :)21:11
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konttori_wazd: interesting.21:13
konttori_oh. those are from the maemo summit21:13
qwerty12_N810konttori_: if you were to install x11vnc on the proto and forward the port, we wouldn't tell :)21:14
wazdqwerty12_N810: jeje ;)21:15
timeless_mbpwazd: well, from looking at the browser21:16
timeless_mbpi can assure you that it isn't :)21:16
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wazdtimeless_mbp: at least desktop shot looks almost the same21:16
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timeless_mbpwazd: i carefully ignored that :)21:16
wazdtimeless_mbp: ;)21:17
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konttori_wazd, same as what?21:17
timeless_mbppresumably what's in the latest sdk21:17
RST38hAnything new and exciting?21:17
wazdkonttori_: as the shots from beta 221:17
konttori_oh, there is beta 2?21:17
timeless_mbpkonttori_: where are you now? :)21:18
* timeless_mbp is contemplating food or something21:18
konttori_at home on vacation21:18
timeless_mbpget ukmp finished :)21:18
konttori_Hmm... I was working on it today21:18
konttori_I have some issues with home consuming all mouse click events from my SDL window for the top left corner or about 50x50 pixels.21:19
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RST38hIt's an iPhone. Now we know.21:20
timeless_mbpthat's normal :)21:20
konttori_So, I cannot have a back-button there untin someone fixes it.21:20
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* konttori_ does not fully like our error management process, where that issue will probably linger on for a long time21:20
timeless_mbpyou don't fully like it?21:21
timeless_mbpthat implies that you at least partially like it21:21
yutsaijavispedro, after trying a bit ... i decided to hard code the x11 keyevent lol.21:21
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konttori_lol. actually I do like how it has been running for the past 2.5 weeks.21:21
johnsqkonttori_: You mean found, but more evil are the not found.21:21
konttori_I think those changes were a good call.21:21
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timeless_mbpno idea which changes those were21:21
konttori_are you kidding?21:21
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javispedrodunno yutsai, I assume that's ok :)21:22
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konttori_lol. ok, good for you that you haven't had to care. Anyway, cannot comment in here, but they were good.21:22
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konttori_I suppose as you guys have been working on the new engine, you haven't had to look any other way for a while21:23
wazdI've lost the screenshot with beta 2 statusbar :(21:23
timeless_mbpkonttori_: i walk around and visit other projects21:24
timeless_mbpi just get depressed21:24
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konttori_I usually get excited.21:24
konttori_so, when was beta 2 launched?21:25
* lcuk gets konttori_ some tissues21:25
konttori_does it have minirc?21:25
konttori_lol! lcuk. not that excited21:25
ShadowJKthere's anonymous ftp, why can't there be anonymous sifoip (stab in face over ip)21:25
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lcukkonttori_, why is your ukmp switching between landscape/portrait all the time?21:25
konttori_lcuk, only from rotation.21:26
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konttori_hmm... If you have old proto, the accelerometer might function differently from the latest ones21:26
lcukhow well does ukmp work on normal desktops?21:26
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konttori_well, I develop it on osx, but it's relying on pygame for audio there21:27
konttori_which is not very reliable21:27
lcukthe only device i have with accelerometer is my x4121:27
konttori_but on linux you can easily use it21:27
RST38hwazd: is there a screenshot with all the icons?21:27
konttori_lcuk: but you have a proto, right?21:27
lcuki wish, no21:28
lcuki even tried to steal one from cph!21:28
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* lcuk got as far as the door21:28
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wazdRST38h: not yet21:29
suihkulokkilcuk: doors are such a problem21:29
lcukhad i not hesitated i wouldv gotten away with it lol21:30
qwerty12_N810Nokia would've sent their hitmen after you21:30
amrwho wants a broken 770? ill give you it21:30
amrit's sat there with a sad (white) face on it21:30
lcuknokia torch!21:31
amrjust reflashed it so now i cant even ssh into it21:31
lcuksomeone could give you measurements to the required positions21:31
lcukto open a console21:31
javispedro(gdb) print $sp : $1 = <value optimized out>21:33
javispedrogdb surprises me21:33
javispedroa lot21:33
javispedroit's nice to know it can somehow "optimize out" a friggin hw register21:35
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konttori_hah. Just added 'safety guard' to ukmp deletions. It will now ask you to confirm before delete. Does it quite nicely though. When in delete mode, double click on any item deletes it directly.21:35
konttori_still easy to cleanup bad music, but less easy to do so accidentally,21:35
ds3when I don't want it constantly reconnect it pops up a connect message to cancel out of every 30 second or so... now it never automatically connects :(21:35
konttori_(like I just did while debugging -> the reason to finally implement it)21:36
johnsqkonttori_: you can also delete in a trash can and empty it later21:36
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konttori_lcuk, I thought you had. When will you get it?21:36
lcukkonttori_, no matter how many single/double click guards you put in place, a person will still delete their media accidentally.21:37
konttori_johnsq: sure, but I like the directness of this.21:37
konttori_lcuk: sure, but now they can stop complaining to me about it.21:37
lcukjohnsq is on the right track, dont actively delete files21:37
lcukmark for deletion and dont show those marked21:37
konttori_well, on first click, the item turns to say, click again to delete the song.21:38
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konttori_so, it's quite straight forward.21:38
konttori_And trash bin only works if there is platform wide support for it.21:38
lcukand when its in your pocket and your keys rub up and delete your favorite music..21:38
lcuknot at all21:38
lcuki have similar21:38
lcuki just rename all deleted sketches21:38
lcukeveryone has an oh shit moment21:39
konttori_sure, and if there is another app using those, how will that work?21:39
lcukkonttori_, i dunno, ask quim if he can get me one21:39
konttori_Will that other app also be able to 'recover' them?21:39
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lcukbut i might have to sign my life away21:39
konttori_and will the deletion from that other app be the same21:39
* konttori_ will be on vacation for 3.5 weeks.21:39
konttori_so, won't ask from quim for a while21:39
lcukthen stop asking me, i cry buckets cos i want new toys21:40
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konttori_well, now I finally know you don't have one.21:41
lcukive told you every time \@21:41
lcuknow, if you are goin on holiday, do you need yours?21:41
lcukkonttori_, how does tracker handle deletion of media that its tracking?21:42
lcukor in the process of building meta info for21:42
konttori_get's inotify event from kernel and removes the item from db21:42
lcukie, take big 5mp picture, then delete immediately21:43
lcukwhilst its trying to be parsed21:43
konttori_if it is indexing the file, the deletion event gets put to queue and handled as the next thing to do.21:43
lcukbut the deletion event fails if the file is in use21:43
konttori_If extraction is going on, there is a read lock on the file and kernel won't allow you to delete it21:43
lcukor it does in a sane os21:43
lcuk(like windows :D)21:43
* lcuk giggles21:44
konttori_but, there is also the time of writing the data to db. and on that time, there is no read lock on the file21:44
ds3nothing wrong with deleting an open file21:44
konttori_so, that contingency is handled with the separate event handling for the deletion21:44
ds3it is done all the time, this is a feature21:44
lcukds3, hold until reboot, or delete on close?21:45
ds3until close but define delete carefully21:45
lcukrm blah21:45
lcuki assume21:45
ds3the way it works is - you do an unlink() on a file21:45
xnt14~seen b-man1621:45
infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 32m 11s ago, saying: 'hi!!! :D'.21:46
ds3anyone that held a fd on there (i.e. has it open()) doesn't see anything changed21:46
ds3as soon as everyone closes it, the file itself is freed up.21:46
lcukds3, thats actually quite cool, same process even if open for writing?21:46
johnsqaslong someone has it open, you can recover the file with /proc21:46
ds3firefox, for example, uses this to do temp files. it open() a file in /tmp to create it; then immediately unlink() that file.  now that file is available temp storage w/o leaving crude around or having conflicts21:46
ds3lcuk: yep. any references to the file. R or W21:47
lcukds3 :) thats actually really really cool21:47
* lcuk raises a glass to the people who implemented it21:47
ds3johnsq: yep. if you are worried, do sleep 2342234234234 < /path/tofilename& on all the files21:47
ds3lcuk: it is posix, IIRC21:47
* lcuk learnt something new today21:49
lcukthx ds321:49
JaffaPOSIX rocks21:50
lbtPOSIX sucks21:50
lbtin lots of other places ;)21:50
lcuksome bits of posix rock then21:51
lbtPOSIX is a bit rocky, yes21:51
lcukcan we say that POSIX socks and keep everyone happy?21:51
ds3RST38h: 12.. heh... I think someone made a PC Motherboard with tube amps21:51
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RST38hds3: yea, that much isn't a problem21:59
RST38hds3: making a crt-based Zune is though =)21:59
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coldbootI need to change the version string for the qt-maemo debian package, but where is it defined?21:59
lcukdebian/changelog i believe22:00
fiferboy_coldboot: Do you want to increment it?22:00
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fiferboy_"dch -i" will let you increment and add comments22:01
coldbootfiferboy_: I want to change the name and increment it, so it's unique and automatically replaces the version on the device, but will get replaced later by 4.5.2 when it's the default.22:01
coldbootI have 4.5.0-1maemo2, and I want to make it something like 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen22:02
fiferboy_coldboot: One way is to check out the git tag for 4.5.1 and apply the changes you want22:02
fiferboy_Then dch -i, which would change it to 4.5.0-1maemo322:02
lcukthat might conflict with the official one22:02
coldbootfiferboy_: But that might clash with the real maemo3 released by you guys in the future...22:02
lcukwont it22:02
fiferboy_Or you could change the number to whatever you want in the changelog line that gets added22:02
lcukcoldboot, i think your idea was right, but wgen0 i think22:03
lcukdont worry coldboot, the debian/changelog is normal deb stuff not qt22:03
lcukmy mistake22:03
coldbootlcuk: -1maemo2-wgen022:03
fiferboy_I'm not sure if there will be any more 4.5.0 releases, now that 4.5.2 is being worked on, but better safe than sorry22:03
fiferboy_coldboot: That would work22:03
lcukcoldboot, it sounds right and how other packages appear to work (see -mer stuff)22:04
coldbootSo the dpkg detects that a number in the same place is higher, such as 3 > 2, or 14 > 5, or that if the numbers in the same places are the same, the newer package has more crap on the end of it?22:04
fiferboy_I'm pretty sure that's how it works22:05
lcukthink so, its why theres packages with pi and e22:05
fiferboy_And there is an epoch number that can override all that but should be used sparingly (it seems)22:05
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fiferboylbt: ping?22:06
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coldbootThanks guys22:07
coldbootDidn't know that the changelog was scanned, I guess I remember that from a while ago now.22:08
fiferboyThe debian/rules file for qt has a bunch of macros to generate the major/minor/patch numbers from somewhere in the code22:08
fiferboyBut as long as you don't want that changed, adding some numbers to the debian/changelog should do it22:09
coldbootIt's such a good way to distribute software.22:09
javispedro$ dpkg --compare-versions 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 gt 4.5.0-1maemo2  && echo "OK"22:10
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rkirti~lart git@garage for being so damn slow22:16
* infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u git@garage' for being so damn slow22:16
florianhehe, that's a good one :)22:16
rkirtiI wish I could put -20 there and make it faster22:17
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xnt14~lart test@test because xnt14 is so bored22:23
* infobot chops test@test because xnt14 is so bored in half with a free Solaris 7 CD22:23
xnt14~lart test ste ts22:23
* infobot smacks test ste ts up side the head with a clue-by-422:23
xnt14~lart b-man1622:24
* infobot installs PocketPC on b-man16's PDA22:24
xnt14~lart b-man1622:24
* infobot explains, ever so gently, that if b-man16 doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help22:24
xnt14~lart b-man1622:24
xnt14~lart boredom22:24
* infobot judo chops boredom22:24
xnt14ok ill stop22:24
* xnt14 glances at GA xD22:25
* xnt14 gets back to tweaking flightgear22:25
wazd~burn himself22:25
rkirtihello keesj :-)22:25
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze22:26
lcukhah wazd, class22:26
wazdlcuk: good'ol joke :)22:26
coldbootwazd: Are wazd the keys you use in an FPS to move?22:27
rkirtipoor dear infobot22:27
wazdcoldboot: not really, it's an old story :)22:27
lcuknever enter irc drunk22:27
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... oldtest ethanim... strong; valiant22:27
xnt14infobot, cookie22:28
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... /maildir on your server... that your inbox?22:28
xnt14infobot, botcookie22:28
lcukwazd, how can you have old stories and ol' jokes22:28
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lcukyou are a youngster22:28
xnt14ok w/e22:28
lcukmind you, to xnt you are ancient22:28
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wazdlcuk: well, not so young as I want :)22:30
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lcukit never gets any better22:30
wazdwhen I first came to the internet I've chosen the most obvious and stupid nick - AZ :)22:31
wazdcause of Andrew Zhilin, you know :)22:31
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lcuknahhh, qwerty has the most obvious22:31
lcuksurprisingly, he is only the 12th in the world!22:31
* qwerty12_N810 bows22:31
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coldbootwazd: So why the w and d?22:32
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wazdlcuk: when I ran ICQ nickname search I got hundred billion results so I had to change it :)22:32
qwerty12_N810wicked-azz designer22:32
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wazdqwerty12_N810: no, zxcvb-90 :D22:32
* xnt14 's first nick was wsa xDDD22:33
wazdcoldboot: Well, as I'm a FPS addict, I thought it would be cool to combine wasd and my old nick :)22:33
lcukahhh i once knew an zxcb-8922:33
xnt14my initials22:33
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coldbootwazd: There we go, I knew that was part of it at least.22:34
xnt14lcuk, whats the story behind your nick?22:34
amrinitial initial country?22:34
lcukquite simple, i am liquidcoooled on slashdot.  and i am in the uk22:34
amrpah, close22:34
lcuki couldnt use big long name in irc22:34
xnt14nick :P22:34
lcukit would intefere with GeneralAntilles's22:34
* xnt14 hates his keyboard22:35
xnt14amr, nope my full name22:35
wazdxnt14: well, thats a common typo :D22:35
lcuki like my cheapy pc-line one22:35
amrmine is too22:35
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amrxnt14, i meant for lcuk22:35
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xnt14oh ok :P22:35
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wazdstorm's comming to Moscow22:36
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xnt14svg has scripting??? xD22:36
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lcuki was just thinkin same22:36
* xnt14 just noticed that his xps' proc is 64bit *facepalm*22:36
lcukthat would cripple itself with more no doubt22:36
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lcukamr - it was meant to be temporary for me22:37
lcukbut its grown on me :)22:37
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xnt14now I need to reinstall........22:37
xnt14hiya qole_323!22:38
lcukso where are you from then amr22:38
amrim from leeds, uk :)22:38
lcukso, the r is?22:38
amrforename, middlename, surname22:39
qwerty12_N810Vhat? Another northerner?22:39
amrfrom my days of 3 letter names on arcade machines22:39
amri am the most un-northern you will ever encounter22:39
amrun-northern northerner*22:39
lcukits ok, qwerty is a recovering northerner22:39
lcukhe goes to NA22:39
lcukand not because he got caught with drugs22:40
qwerty12_N810amr: No, that's me :P (From the North; living in the South) :P22:40
amri'll be doing the same shortly!22:40
qole_323xnt14: hi... I'm trying to get help with Knots2, so I'm using penguinbait's IRC chat applet22:40
amrno one at uni could tell where i was from :<22:40
lcukfound in a box under the pool table in the augbeth arms!22:40
qole_323....but the #knots channel seems dead22:40
* lcuk waves at qole \o22:41
* qole_323 waves back at lcuk22:42
* lcuk needs to go back to shiny stuff22:42
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lcukbefore i go, qole people were talking about their nicknames, where di yours come from22:44
qoleI wanted a pronouncable, very short name that wouldn't be taken, so I tried a bunch of three and four letter nicks until I found qole.22:46
lcukits certainly worked, so distinctive :) i thought for a while it was your actual name22:46
qoleIt is short, memorable, and unused (except for, which is a Japanese fortune-telling site?!)22:46
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xnt14:) lol22:48
xnt14btw qole, I noticed you used dreamhost ;)22:49
Jaffayerga's WordPy vid does a good job of showing off Maemo 5 interactions22:50
wazdJaffa: yep22:50
wazdJaffa: Can't decide is it good or bad though :D22:50
JaffaHate the green22:51
wazdmmm, if lightning strikes are surrounding my house - should I worry?)22:53
Jaffawazd: Pissed off any gods recently?22:54
Jaffa(specifically Thor)22:54
JaffaDamn those Asgard22:54
wazdJaffa: he was invited to my b-day party, so I don't think so :D22:54
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qolexnt14: yes, I use dreamhost. They seem great so far.22:56
xnt14so do I22:58
xnt14btw, I don't suggest upgrading to PS.........22:58
xnt14I've read some stories, very hard to go back to shared....22:58
xnt14Private Server22:59
qoleI've got a great deal, 2 years unlimited for $10, I used the Geocities deal to get the second year free22:59
xnt14I got the 44th president deal, prepaid for about $200 got 4 years ;)23:01
xnt14in four years I'll graduate highschool, then I'll probably get either mediatemple dv, or set up my own dedicated server....23:02
qoleI'll stay with Dreamhost until they complain that there's sure a lot of bandwidth being used up on people downloading these 300MB image files...23:03
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lcukwhat the fuck was i thinking?   (btw, forgive the spelling mistake, thats not the wtf)23:07
lcukCanvass.ForeColor = 13158600 'RGB(200, 200, 200)          ' replace rgb with constant value :)23:07
lcukthis is old code i just opened, last mod 200323:08
* xnt14 makes stupid mistakes like that too :P23:09
xnt14musicbot: Mizuki Nana | Ultimate Diamond: Etsuraku Camellia23:10
lcukxnt14, thats not a mistake though23:11
lcukthats a defined chosen path23:11
lcuki was either on a major optimization cycle (or more likely) i wanted a specific color and couldnt be arsed to decode it from the value i had23:12
lcukeither way i had to do a double take23:12
xnt14oh :P23:12
lcukflorian, anything like that inside your codebase? :D23:13
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florianlcuk: I know I have alot of crap in my codebase... but nothing like this :)23:16
* lcuk tkaes a bow23:16
lcuk:D wow23:16
* lcuk takes a bow and spell checks it23:17
lcukthats the first time ive needed to wtf myself23:17
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MindMusicHey everyone... does anyone here use pymaemo with Geany?  I'm stuck on hello world :P23:22
MindMusicall my python programs seem to open and close instantly...23:23
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lcukMindMusic, wow cool - you must have one of the rare optimized nits23:33
lcukmind, do your apps work if called directly23:34
MindMusicHmmm... I'm a newb so I'm not even sure how to call them directly... I'm just getting started...23:34
lcukyou can usually run python apps by just opening a console window on the device (or with ssh) and just run python blah.py23:36
MindMusicyes... just tried... it DOES work :)23:36
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lcukok MindMusic theres a hint then lol, i dont know anything about geany tho, so wouldnt know why it doesnt run23:38
MindMusicdo you know how come Geany closes it right away?  Under Geany's Menu->Build->Set Includes and Arguments, Execute is set to -> python2.5 "%f"23:39
MindMusicah... thanks for the tip.23:39
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