IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2009-07-14

Macer	and it is using the default gateway of 192.168.1.201	00:00
Macer	which is the ip of the client	00:00
Macer	when i need it to use 192.168.1.1	00:00
coldboot	Woohoo! fiferboy's fixed the flickering bug.	00:02
jason__	well, you can add a new route with the correct gateway, but you might want to find somebody who better knows how to do that to advise you.	00:02
coldboot	It's a workaround, and won't completely fix it, but in most cases it simply skips Input Method code on things that can't accept input from an IM.	00:03
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coldboot	So for tables and dropdowns it works great.	00:03
lbt	coldboot: sounds good	00:03
lbt	It also sounds like we need to fix HIM	00:03
coldboot	Yeah	00:04
coldboot	I couldn't get the setProxy() idea working.	00:04
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coldboot	It simply doesn't forward text to a text field, similar problem I had before.	00:05
lbt	coldboot: do you have a branch though?	00:05
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coldboot	lbt: I have been working in the 4.5.0-maemo2 subversion repo, since we're using that at my office.	00:05
coldboot	lbt: I'll make a branch on the main one soon. I've saved my code.	00:05
lbt	I've been caught up so not had chance to look - if you could do a personal gitorious repo clone and make a branch there	00:06
lbt	git (and gitk) makes this so nice	00:06
lbt	have you looked at git-svn too	00:06
coldboot	I haven't played with it yet.	00:07
lbt	bidirectional git<>svn.... I've found a few people use it when they have svn repos	00:07
coldboot	However, the fix is one line: void QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand(/.../) { if (!canUseIM(widget)) { return; } /* ... */ }	00:07
jason__	Is there irssi for maemo?	00:08
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erik___	lbt: I no longer use SVN. If I have to interact with it, I use git-svn to do so	00:08
lbt	erik___: we'll get coldboot onto it with patience... (and maybe an intervention!)	00:09
lbt	coldboot: how heavy is canUseIM(widget)	00:09
coldboot	lbt: Oh don't worry, I'm already a git convert.	00:09
coldboot	lbt: I don't know, actually, it seems to run just fine on our slowass program on the tablet.	00:09
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lbt	ah, I thought you were having probs the other night	00:09
lbt	maybe it was fiferboy though - buried in the backlog	00:10
coldboot	Yeah it was him, I actually went outside all weekend.	00:10
lbt	sensible	00:10
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coldboot	lbt: canUseIM has two qobject_cast<> calls in it...	00:11
coldboot	lbt: And two inputMethodQuery() calls...	00:11
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coldboot	lbt: I can refactor it to make it faster.	00:12
dl9pf	lbt: ping	00:12
lbt	dl9pf: hi... I read your explanation	00:13
lbt	coldboot: I think that would be welcome	00:13
coldboot	lbt: Is there a way to see if something is a QLineEdit, QTextEdit, and QPlainTextEdit without casting? Also, what kind of cast is a qobject_cast?	00:13
lbt	http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qmetaobject.html#className	00:14
Macer_	well	00:14
Macer_	the problem is that for some reason or another xp is not using the right gateway	00:14
lbt	coldboot: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qobject.html#inherits Consider using qobject_cast<Type *>(object) instead. The method is both faster and safer.	00:16
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lbt	the nice thing is that the code is so readable... I love that about Qt; I always felt I was lost in twisty passages with "the other one"	00:17
coldboot	lbt: Yeah it's pretty well put together. And the documentation is some of the best I've ever seen.	00:18
lbt	you're not a perl coder then :)	00:18
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lcuk	"the other one" makes it sound like its the only competition - how clean does it look in comparison to coding for iphone?	00:19
coldboot	lbt: Some of the best, the Perl documentation is better.	00:19
coldboot	That sucks that Q*Edit don't multiply-inherit from some editable thing...	00:20
lbt	lcuk: I have never seen windows C/C++ code either (and VB doesn't count as code ;) )	00:20
coldboot	MFC was a mess.	00:21
lbt	coldboot: yes, there are some inheritance things I wonder about	00:21
lcuk	its as much code as python or php or java ;)	00:21
lcuk	mfs was horrible	00:21
lcuk	its the reason i chose vb over anything	00:21
lcuk	c	00:21
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coldboot	I wrote a RISK and Axis and Allies simulator in VB as my first ever program.	00:21
coldboot	It was really handy for a kid.	00:22
Macer_	omfg this is going to drive me nutty	00:22
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Vulcanis	SOLET	00:37
Vulcanis	wrong window	00:37
coldboot	Il fais bon.	00:41
coldboot	beau	00:41
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Macer	yeah it's the comcast router	00:43
Macer	for some reason it won't let me set the gateway	00:43
Macer	and i don't know why	00:43
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_hc	so I am running an n810 with Diablo and the RTCOMM update and it seems that default email client won't show my IMAP folders, only the inbox. It did orginally, but no more. I can create an imap folder fine, and then I can see that.	00:59
_hc	I've been searching around a bunch but haven't found any leads	01:00
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ds3	fg	01:43
ds3	bah	01:43
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_hc	anyone using OTR encryption with RTCOMM?	01:47
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crashanddie	https://monteledwards.com/extra/christel-abuse.html	01:59
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andre__	_hc, is OTR with rtcomm possible? because there is an open bug report about it	03:21
_hc	andre__: ah right, there is an upstream bug report with Telepathy about it: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16891	03:22
andre__	yeah	03:23
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LiraNuna	wasn't the Rover supposed to come in July? how come I find no ETA?	03:38
Robot101	andre__, _hc: we much prefer to implement an open standard for encryption like the XMPP extensions, than to try and hack encryption onto closed protocols with OTR	03:39
Robot101	it doesn't make much sense to me at least to go to such effort to send encrypted content over a proprietary network, when to use OTR you need an open client in the first place	03:39
Robot101	so we'll do XMPP encryption before we do OTR, but we've not got time to work on either at the moment	03:40
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Robot101	we're happy to discuss how to approach it with people who are interested however	03:40
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LiraNuna	Why not simply implement a plugin architecture and let someone else implement OTR?	03:41
LiraNuna	"unsupported"	03:41
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Robot101	telepathy is already a component architecture	03:46
Robot101	we've explained how we'd add otr into it	03:46
Robot101	nobody who knows/cares enough has done it yet	03:46
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Tann1	Helo	04:37
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Tann1	Can someone possibly help me set up my n810's microphone to go thought the speakers/stereo jack so that I can use it as a microphone for my laptop.	04:39
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esaym	howdy	04:54
esaym	is this the irc channel for the nokia n810?	04:54
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Luke-Jr	esaym: yes	04:56
Luke-Jr	as well as 770, N800, N900, and N915	04:56
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esaym	Luke-Jr: you look familiar ????	05:03
Luke-Jr	esaym: #Jesus	05:04
esaym	;)	05:04
esaym	Luke-Jr: what are the price ranges for the 9xx series?	05:04
Luke-Jr	esaym: good question	05:04
esaym	hmm	05:04
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esaym	I was hearing stuff like $700...	05:05
Luke-Jr	esaym: at that price it had better be a lot better than N810	05:06
Luke-Jr	and actually open	05:06
esaym	anyway, my question... I am wondering about how functional the xterminal is on the 810? I have some console/text apps that I want to run on it...	05:06
esaym	Luke-Jr: apparently the 9xx series is going to be some kind of gsm phone?	05:06
Luke-Jr	esaym: honestly, raw console mode is all I've found to work well	05:06
esaym	Luke-Jr: what is "raw console mode"	05:07
esaym	Luke-Jr: outside of X?	05:07
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Luke-Jr	esaym: yes	05:08
Luke-Jr	esaym: KDE doesn't run too well	05:08
esaym	hmm	05:08
esaym	I don't plan on using kde	05:08
Luke-Jr	IIRC, slono said GNOME is even worse	05:08
Luke-Jr	which is to be expected, as GNOME sucks :þ	05:09
esaym	I just need a small device to put my console software one	05:09
esaym	on*	05:09
esaym	it is for taking notes in church and bible studies	05:09
Luke-Jr	I see.	05:09
Luke-Jr	I wouldn't want to do a ton of typing on N810 either	05:09
Luke-Jr	esaym: might see what you can pickup a Zaurus for	05:09
esaym	I could do a gui for it but I don't know if it would be worth the trouble	05:10
Luke-Jr	Zaurii only have 64 MB RAM, but they have a nice keyboard	05:10
esaym	Luke-Jr: yes I looked at the zaurus, several of them	05:10
Luke-Jr	the clamshell models anyhow	05:10
Luke-Jr	the N810's keyboard kinda sucks	05:10
esaym	Luke-Jr: no wifi, not sure if that would be good for me	05:10
Luke-Jr	ah	05:11
Luke-Jr	I have a CompactFlash wifi card	05:11
Luke-Jr	☺	05:11
Tann6	Can someone help me set my n810 up so that what the microphone picks up is then sent through the speakers/stereo jack so that I can use it as a line in on my computer?	05:11
esaym	I could do without	05:11
Luke-Jr	but what good is wifi w/o GUI?	05:11
esaym	Luke-Jr: well I didn't plan on not using a gui	05:11
esaym	My app won't have a gui	05:12
Luke-Jr	I see.	05:12
esaym	so I can either use the xterminal or the raw terminal like you said	05:12
esaym	what is wrong with the xterminal?	05:12
Luke-Jr	esaym: nothing, but the GUI in general sucks	05:12
esaym	are the keys on the 810 just too small or flat?	05:12
Luke-Jr	the only thing I have found tolerable is KDE, and 128 MB RAM doesn't cut the bill	05:12
esaym	oh...hmm. What is wrong with it?	05:12
Luke-Jr	esaym: too flat I guess	05:13
Luke-Jr	bad feedback	05:13
Luke-Jr	too easy to hit the wrong key, etc	05:13
esaym	yea	05:13
Luke-Jr	also, no number keys	05:13
Luke-Jr	numbers are useful :/	05:13
esaym	oh, is there like a fn key for the numbers?	05:13
esaym	ok I see a good pic of the keyboard now...	05:15
esaym	hmm	05:17
esaym	Luke-Jr: what all don't you like about the standard os2008 that is comes with? Too slow or something?	05:17
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Luke-Jr	esaym: unmaintained, poor design, etc	05:19
esaym	hmm that sucks	05:19
esaym	unmaintained?	05:19
Luke-Jr	yeah, unmaintained	05:19
esaym	full of bugs or something?	05:19
Luke-Jr	not overly usable	05:20
esaym	Luke-Jr: hmm sounds like you really don't like this thing...	05:21
Luke-Jr	esaym: I wouldn't have bought it if I knew what I know now.	05:21
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esaym	Luke-Jr: do you want to sell it? rofl	05:21
Luke-Jr	one of the major features I bought it for was the GPS, which might as well not exist	05:21
Luke-Jr	esaym: no, I can't find a suitable alternative either :?	05:21
esaym	Luke-Jr: yea I read that it was slow	05:21
Luke-Jr	:/	05:21
Luke-Jr	not just slow	05:22
Luke-Jr	undocumented	05:22
Luke-Jr	proprietary blob driver	05:22
Luke-Jr	full of bugs	05:22
esaym	:-/	05:22
esaym	hmm	05:22
Luke-Jr	really, I wish I could get its features in a Zaurus clamshell with open docs	05:22
Luke-Jr	that would be usable	05:23
esaym	Well I have been looking for 2 days on the net for something that I can carry around in my pocket, that will let me make my own console app for taking bible notes	05:23
esaym	I am going to do with the 810 unless you can think of anything else better and not over $300	05:23
esaym	really $250 is more than I wanted to spend...	05:24
Luke-Jr	$200 you mean	05:24
esaym	all pda's today don't really let you install software and are like $500+	05:24
Luke-Jr	esaym: if all you want is console, I'm sure the N810 can pull it off-- exception only to the sucky keyboard	05:25
esaym	Luke-Jr: yes $200 would be nice...	05:25
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Luke-Jr	if you don't care for wifi, a clamshell Z would probably be better	05:25
Luke-Jr	esaym: I wouldn't pay over $200 for a N810.	05:25
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Luke-Jr	well, I wouldn't pay over $25, but not over $200 in any circumstances :P	05:26
esaym	Luke-Jr: seems the 810 seems to be in slow production and the online prices have gone through the roof. Just last month they were going for $210 or so, not they are like $280. They are $220 on nokia.com but they are backordered..	05:26
Luke-Jr	esaym: N810 is out of production in prep for N900 I think	05:26
Luke-Jr	ebay should have decent prices	05:27
Luke-Jr	also, you'll need a decent size SD card (4 GB min, 8 GB ideal) if you want to run Gentoo ;)	05:27
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esaym	Luke-Jr: I really won't mind buying a new one, just to support nokia (for their excellnet product you know)	05:27
esaym	I would hate to see nokia give up on these devices...	05:28
esaym	As you said, there really is no alternative...	05:28
esaym	everyone making chessy pda's and closing them up	05:28
Luke-Jr	esaym: from my perspective, Nokia isn't a company deserving support yet	05:29
Luke-Jr	at least not that department ☺	05:29
esaym	These would be cool if they weren't all closed up: http://www.zipitwireless.com/	05:29
Luke-Jr	actually	05:29
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Luke-Jr	esaym: probably can find something more appropriate if you look enough, I would hope	05:32
Luke-Jr	maybe not shipping with Linux, but easily supported	05:32
esaym	I looked	05:32
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johnx	I doubt there's anything as far along as the N810 in that form factor that has a more open, more complete linux install available	05:34
Luke-Jr	look for devices based on the S3C6410 chip	05:34
Luke-Jr	full spec docs are leaked to the community for that	05:35
johnx	so that's the smart q5 and q7, yes?	05:35
Luke-Jr	yeah, but those don't have keyboards	05:35
johnx	no keyboard, no warranty in the US+EU, and pretty questionable construction	05:35
johnx	but the price is right for sure	05:35
Luke-Jr	OpenMoko too I think	05:35
johnx	too as in "also doesn't have a keyboard"? :)	05:36
Luke-Jr	johnx: his problem is keyboard ☺	05:36
Luke-Jr	otherwise N810 would probably be fine	05:36
GeneralAntilles	Hi, johnx.	05:36
johnx	allo GeneralAntilles	05:36
johnx	how's the weather?	05:37
johnx	The Zaurus keyboard is nice, and if you aren't using it for X11 or web browsing I could highly recommend almost any of them	05:37
GeneralAntilles	Hot and rainy.	05:37
johnx	every last one has a better keyboard for console stuff than the N810	05:37
GeneralAntilles	How's life on the other coast?	05:37
johnx	GeneralAntilles, gorgeous weather overall, but today was cloudy and coolish	05:38
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esaym	hmm, yea I don't know what to do	05:48
esaym	so how is os2008 unmaintained? Did nokia move devlopers off of it or something?	05:49
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esaym	hmm I think I am going to get the 810	06:02
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ShadowJK	esaym, yeah it seems there are no nokia developers working on os2008 anymore, they're all working on the os for the next device	06:22
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neatojones	Hello	06:22
ShadowJK	esaym, xterm (it's actually more like gnome-terminal, but whatever) in fullscreen mode and python or gcc from the tools/sdk repo and you've got a usable linux environment :P	06:25
esaym	ShadowJK: and this new OS, it will not work on the 810 will it?	06:26
ShadowJK	no	06:26
esaym	I won't work?	06:26
ShadowJK	It will not work	06:26
ShadowJK	atleast not "as is"	06:26
ShadowJK	The new device will have usable 3D accel, about twice as fast processor and twice the RAM	06:27
esaym	oh wow	06:27
esaym	twice the price I am sure	06:27
esaym	they might shoot themselves in the foot...	06:27
ShadowJK	that too :)	06:27
ShadowJK	The N810 was, what, 400-500 as new?	06:28
esaym	How hard is it to cross compile a c++ app from a linux desktop onto the 810?	06:28
esaym	ShadowJK: yea I think	06:28
ShadowJK	There's a scratchbox-based SDK/environment available.. I haven't tried it, but I get the impression it can be somewhat quirky to install	06:29
ShadowJK	Also vmware/qemu/etc images of ubuntu with the sdk preinstalled	06:30
ShadowJK	they're probably easiest?	06:30
ShadowJK	I've got gcc setup on the N810 myself	06:30
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ShadowJK	The Mer project, which is a community project to backport components from the new OS to the N8x0 (and other devices) uses suse's OBS instead of scratchbox	06:31
neatojones	just curious...does anyone know what command to run from terminal to recalibrate the screen?	06:32
esaym	neatojones: what do you mean "recalibrate"	06:35
ShadowJK	the touchscreen	06:35
esaym	hmm	06:35
neatojones	yeah. It's a bout I have to touch about a cm above anything to click it.	06:35
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ShadowJK	tscalibrate on maemo I think	06:38
ShadowJK	only thing in /usr/bin that seemed promising	06:38
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neatojones	sorry, that didn't make much sense. I meant: I have to touch about a centimeter above where I want to click on the screen. It needs recalibrated, but I can't get to the normal calibration tool.	06:39
neatojones	thanks ShadowJK	06:39
neatojones	I'll try that	06:39
neatojones	it appears that the actual command was ts_calibrate	06:40
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Electric_Poison	finally	06:54
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sarower	hello all, I am just compiling a hello world using clutter library. It is creating the executable and also running it but nothing is showing. The window is not showing.	06:55
sarower	What kind of problem may it be?	06:55
Electric_Poison	the n810 is pretty buggy	06:55
sarower	any body any help?	06:55
Electric_Poison	rhapsody died...	06:56
Electric_Poison	i wish on rhapsody you could buy songs	06:57
Electric_Poison	itd be way nicer	06:57
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Electric_Poison	nobody here...	07:01
neatojones	yeah. But I don't use rhapsody at all.	07:01
sarower	Electric_Poison: For me?	07:02
neatojones	Or clutter...	07:02
neatojones	sorry	07:02
Electric_Poison	eh?	07:02
Electric_Poison	i use the trial rhapsody	07:02
Electric_Poison	ive had my tablet a week now	07:02
Electric_Poison	:D	07:03
Electric_Poison	wayfinder is much nicer than maemo mapper...	07:03
Electric_Poison	in routing	07:04
Electric_Poison	pidgin keeps commiting suicide..	07:05
neatojones	yeah. Pidgin does the same for me.	07:05
Electric_Poison	its annoying	07:05
neatojones	how much is the wayfinder subscription?	07:06
Electric_Poison	$130	07:06
neatojones	for a year?	07:06
Electric_Poison	for 3 years	07:06
neatojones	oh. hmm	07:06
Electric_Poison	not too nad of a price imo.	07:06
neatojones	probably not.	07:06
Electric_Poison	i watched a vid of it on youtube. looks nice	07:07
neatojones	comparable to buying a new GPS that would most likely need to be replace in about that time.	07:07
Electric_Poison	the car kit though...	07:07
Electric_Poison	screwing to the dashboard?	07:07
Electric_Poison	wtf?	07:07
Electric_Poison	whose idea was that lol...	07:08
Electric_Poison	how do you rotate the nokia map btw?	07:08
sarower	On thing: I am trying to use the lib libgles2-dev for opengl support. But it is installed under "usr/share/docs" no package inside "/usr/inclue" or "/usr/lib". Only the *.so is there under "/usr/lib". So it does not get the package when i compile it .	07:09
neatojones	I have no idea.	07:09
sarower	What may be the problem...	07:09
sarower	any body?	07:09
Electric_Poison	i r linux noob	07:09
neatojones	earlier in the day, there is usually a bigger crowd.	07:09
neatojones	people with more experience in those things	07:09
sarower	gcc -o main main.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev`	07:09
Electric_Poison	im at work then -_-	07:09
neatojones	or at about 2AM usa central time	07:09
neatojones	the European crew is up then.	07:10
neatojones	or try leaving a message on talk.maemo.org	07:11
ShadowJK	Electric_Poison, I've considered screwing it to the cellphone holdeer (which attaches to window with suction cup)	07:11
Electric_Poison	i did	07:11
Electric_Poison	i dont have a cell phone holder...	07:12
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Electric_Poison	oh	07:12
Electric_Poison	nvm	07:12
Electric_Poison	i saw it in a video	07:12
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ShadowJK	amusingly the map application on N810 is navicore, not nokia's own map software :)	07:13
ShadowJK	(which they've got on symbian)	07:13
Electric_Poison	nope.	07:13
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Electric_Poison	if you could blueooth to this and use it as a gps like that, i could use the maps on my 3600 slide	07:14
Electric_Poison	free routing	07:14
ShadowJK	neither have free routing?	07:14
Electric_Poison	well	07:14
Electric_Poison	this has paid routing	07:15
Electric_Poison	and my nokia 3600 slide has maps program on it	07:15
Electric_Poison	it can route	07:15
Electric_Poison	it just needs a gps	07:15
Electric_Poison	so pair these and voila... but it doesnt work like that...	07:15
ShadowJK	I downloaded Nokia Maps for my E70 and it wanted money for navigation :)	07:17
ShadowJK	Though with E75 I think there was a year free	07:17
Electric_Poison	mine can route for free	07:17
Electric_Poison	with a gps it can route dynamically i think	07:18
Electric_Poison	i gotta sleeo.	07:20
Electric_Poison	night all.	07:20
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sarower	/var/tmp/ccxi3ATA.o: In function `main':	08:12
sarower	main.c:(.text+0x20c): undefined reference to `gtk_clutter_embed_new' even after including "#include <clutter-gtk/gtk-clutter-embed.h>"	08:12
sarower	any idea?	08:14
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sarower	no body...!!	08:21
sarower	no idea!	08:22
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slonopotamus	argh	08:26
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johnx	sarower, give it some time. not everyone who's logged in here looks at the channel 24/7	08:26
sarower	its ok	08:27
sarower	sorry!	08:27
johnx	no worries :)	08:27
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slonopotamus	today's midori update broke pygtkeditor :(	08:27
johnx	huh? how does that work?	08:27
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slonopotamus	johnx, dunno, i can't find logs what updated besides midori itself	08:28
pupnik	i can't find my camera app pictures again	08:29
pupnik	there's a ~/apps/camera - no pics	08:29
pupnik	find doesn't find em in ~/	08:29
pupnik	or mmc1 or mmc2	08:30
pupnik	nothing in MyDocs	08:30
pupnik	finding in / now	08:30
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slonopotamus	ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so: undefined symbol: gtk_about_dialog_get_documenters	08:31
slonopotamus	google doesn't know such problem	08:32
pupnik	jesus, who decided to make these dirs preceeded with a dot	08:32
pupnik	for user data	08:32
pupnik	not config data	08:32
slonopotamus	:)	08:33
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pupnik	there we go	08:37
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slonopotamus	oh! i have geany. die, pygtkeditor, then	08:39
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finn	is there anything other than formating that I can try in order to get my SD card working over USB?	08:48
slonopotamus	finn, sacrifise a virgin?	08:49
finn	so just forget about SD on the USB port?	08:50
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slonopotamus	finn, i didn't say that :)	08:50
finn	but there's nothing left to do..	08:51
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RST38h	finn: Is your card formatted as FAT?	09:06
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finn	yes.	09:07
RST38h	finn: Do you have swap file enabled?	09:07
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pupnik	by the way. the n810 camera really, really sucks	09:13
finn	how do Icheck RST38h?	09:15
finn	it's the "no file system available" error	09:16
RST38h	finn: Go into Settings and see if you have swap file enabled	09:18
RST38h	Maemo will not let you access a partition that contains swap file via USB	09:18
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finn	extend virtual memory?	09:21
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RST38h	yes	09:21
finn	I'll give it nother try now	09:22
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finn	now all I nees is to figure outwhere I put the card reader before changing hotel rooms	09:27
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finn	the error remains the same RST38h	09:44
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Macer	hm	10:06
Macer	comcast is so awkward	10:06
Macer	like a nat of a nat of a nat from a nat to a nat back to a nat	10:06
Macer	heh	10:06
pupnik	how diplomatic	10:06
ds3	Mmmmm gnats	10:07
Macer	like the way i had to set it up as a bridge	10:07
Macer	i had to dmz it to my wifi router	10:07
Macer	and set up a static ip on the router using the public ip as a gateway and using some other ip as its ip	10:07
Macer	it was odd	10:08
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ZakkmN800	any update on n8x0 getting 3d acceleration?	10:36
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andre__	ZakkmN800, hmm?	10:39
ZakkmN800	lasti heard someone was going to ask	10:39
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ZakkmN800	havent been here in awhile	10:39
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Stskeeps	ZakkmN800: going in right direction i think	10:48
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ZakkmN800	Stskeeps: going to get?	10:49
Jaffa	Morning, all	10:49
ZakkmN800	Morning Jaffa	10:49
Stskeeps	ZakkmN800: so far so good i think	10:49
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ZakkmN800	thats nice. my nokia been jusst so dead lately even considering selling	10:50
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wazd	heya maemo	10:56
andre__	yay, internal browser bug reports about pornpages not working correctly. looks like nokia testers know their customers... :-P	10:57
ZakkmN800	wazd: How goes the mer ui artwork?	10:57
Stskeeps	andre__: the success of a mobile device depends on how easy it is to browse porn with it	10:58
andre__	Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I also think	10:58
Stskeeps	the japanese providers are being overloaded with porn data	10:58
Stskeeps	:P	10:58
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andre__	Stskeeps, hey, i was just typing a joke about japanese users. grrr! ;-)	10:58
qwerty12	They get off to cartoon porn, surely they don't need a site? :P	10:59
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Stskeeps	right, 10 o clock and the guy i'm supposed to meet didn't show up, lovely	11:00
* Stskeeps could have stayed home and clean the house		11:01
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Stskeeps	one thing i hate about having birthday in the summer: everyone's gone	11:03
Proteous	you can now just stay out and imagine a clean house	11:03
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wazd	ZakkmN800: well, it's on hold right now, until I finish BlueMaemo stuff :)	11:04
ZakkmN800	what maemo theme do you guys use?	11:05
pupnik	default	11:06
qwerty12	Echo, but Tritanium if my eyes are not in the mood to be killed	11:06
ZakkmN800	hah qwerty i just went from that to echo	11:07
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sarower	sob sala vudai...	11:14
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qwerty12	My Urdu is shit but I understood that to be insulting words :>	11:14
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Macer	i sure fucked up my home network setup	11:16
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* RST38h yawns		11:16
Macer	and now i have to wait for the morn for someone at comcast to login to it	11:16
Macer	and fix my netmask	11:16
Macer	maybe i can just hook it up to the usb port and change it	11:16
RST38h	Letting Comcast manage your router?	11:17
Macer	i set it to 255.0.0.0	11:17
Macer	lol	11:17
Macer	oops	11:17
Stskeeps	qwerty12: funny fact, the "not being able to click links" is not a touchscreen vs mouse issue - it's a x86 problem O_o	11:17
Macer	and after that i couldnt connect to it after setting the lan ip to 10.0.0.1	11:17
qwerty12	Stskeeps: haha, this determined from the Joggler? :)	11:18
Stskeeps	qwerty12: yeah	11:18
Stskeeps	i'm really at a loss at wtf goes wrong - because panning works fine	11:18
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Macer	hm	11:22
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Macer	hm	11:25
Macer	i really dont see why the netmask would break connexting to the comcast cm	11:25
Macer	255.0.0.0 is wide open	11:25
Macer	heh	11:25
Macer	maybe i just messed up on the client side	11:26
Macer	blah	11:26
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svqyqb	http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa	11:29
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Macer	dont speak ze language	11:33
* Stskeeps glances at his coffee		11:33
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Macer	almost a whole week without smoking	11:53
* Macer feels physically sick		11:54
Macer	heh	11:54
Stskeeps	hehe	11:54
* Stskeeps has found a point where he can go addiction free, it seems like		11:54
Stskeeps	was a matter of finding the right cigs	11:54
Macer	coffee? ;)	11:54
Macer	coffee is just a substitute	11:54
Stskeeps	well, ok, my addictions switch	11:54
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Macer	do it man! everybody is doing it!	11:55
Macer	heh	11:55
Macer	i nees to fix my cable modem.. all this just because i wanted a vpn :)	11:56
Macer	lol	11:56
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talig	Hi everyone. You must have heard this one a million times: I need to get my wlan interface in promisc mode (promisc, not Monitor).	12:57
talig	Any solutions available (besides getting a usb adapter)	12:58
talig	?	12:58
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talig	[Ah, yes, it's for the Nokia N810]	12:58
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Stskeeps	your intent is to view other network traffic within the wlan network, i presume?	13:07
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talig	Stskeeps - also	13:15
talig	i.e. I need to be able to to transmit.	13:15
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rmt	talig, Portable WAP hacking device? Neat! :-)	13:19
Stskeeps	WEP you mean	13:19
rmt	er, yes	13:19
talig	Sadly, nothing quite as sexy.	13:20
Stskeeps	WAP hacking would be neat at times	13:20
Stskeeps	:P	13:20
Stskeeps	i think smartq5 might be neat for wep & such hacking really.. libertas driver	13:20
* rmt is running out of coffee atm, it's quite serious.		13:20
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talig	So, do you know of a possibility?	13:20
Stskeeps	sure promisicous doesn't work already?	13:21
Stskeeps	i mean, wouldn't you need it to get DHCP?	13:21
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syosoft	hey guys, i just came across my old 770 - thought i'd bring it back to life. I just put os2008HE on it and it seems to be fine (if not a little slow). I read that OS2008 enabled 8gb MMC support - is this still true on the 770 with OS2008?	13:26
Stskeeps	else there's fanoush's patches	13:27
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syosoft	Also, how would I mount a SMB share (from my NAS) on boot mucho appreciated.	13:32
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Stskeeps	mount -t smbfs or cifs? :P	13:37
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syosoft	I dont need to install any packages or anything?	13:39
Stskeeps	maybe	13:40
syosoft	heh, :)	13:40
syosoft	i was kind of hoping for a comprehensive guide that some knew about	13:40
talig	Stskeep - I need it for the reasons the promiscous mode is used.	13:41
syosoft	and the restriction on the WAP shared key is annoying	13:41
talig	No, it doesn't work. What's fanoush's patch?	13:41
Stskeeps	talig: did you try enabling it with ifconfig? :P	13:41
Stskeeps	talig: that was for syosoft	13:41
talig	Stskeeps: No, I was only born yesterday.	13:42
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syosoft	took me forever to realize it was the ")" in the key that wouldn't allow me to connect - so then i had the joy of changing all of my other wifi devices.	13:42
syosoft	enabling something with ifconfig?	13:42
syosoft	I'm really not a cmd line kinda guy - i prefer when things just work. So - while i appreciate the suggestions, pls dont be vague, it'll just make me confused and odds are you guys will get frustrated with my lack of understanding	13:43
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syosoft	thats not to say i dont want or wont appreciate help, i just need more specific ish :)	13:43
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RST38h	"Cats manipulate humans by adding a baby-like cry to their purring."	13:54
syosoft	is that why some kids throw them around by their tails?	13:55
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rmt	I'm getting annoyed that the weather app keeps getting updated .. nice app, but if it's working, don't update it 3 times a month.	14:02
andre__	rmt: 3 times a month is too much? you have quite stable weather at your place it seems	14:02
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Stskeeps	in denmark it could just permanently change weather 4 times a day and it'd be accurate	14:04
Stskeeps	:P	14:04
rmt	andre__, :-P	14:04
rmt	The application and the weather station DB	14:04
Stskeeps	rmt: unstable API probably	14:05
rmt	It also then demands a reboot, and the last time broke the currently running app.	14:05
rmt	So I had to reboot to get weather.	14:05
andre__	i still way prefer updates pushed every week instead of every half a year for software	14:05
rmt	If it didn't demand a reboot, I wouldn't care so much.	14:06
qwerty12_N810	Blame hildon-desktop	14:06
RST38h	rmt: If you do not want the updates do not install them	14:07
VDVsx	humm, fremantle beta 2 is coming up today ?	14:07
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Stskeeps	yay birthday present	14:07
RST38h	VDV: kidding, right?	14:07
VDVsx	no	14:07
Stskeeps	sure looks like it	14:07
VDVsx	http://maemo.org/development/sdks/	14:07
Stskeeps	http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta2/	14:07
* RST38h moos triumphantly then		14:07
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wazd	hohohoho	14:07
RST38h	Sts: should we all wish you happy bd? =)	14:08
rmt	RST38h, Sure, but then I get a nice flashing thing which doesn't go away until I open up to see what needs to be installed.. which is of course only another weather app.. now, if it only took 2 seconds to do that, once again, I wouldn't mind. :-P	14:08
Stskeeps	yes, i turned 25 :P	14:08
RST38h	heya wazd	14:08
wazd	RST38h: heya :)	14:08
X-Fade	Stskeeps: Congrats!	14:08
qwerty12_N810	Stskeeps: happy birthday :)	14:08
danielwilms	Stskeeps happy birthday!	14:08
danielwilms	:)	14:08
VDVsx	Stskeeps, happy birthday :P	14:08
rmt	Stskeeps, Happy b'day, you whipper snapper!	14:08
RST38h	Sts: You now officially have 8 years to deserve a crucifixion =)	14:08
Stskeeps	RST38h: i'm going to DebConf in 9 days. I'll get crucified with ducttape.	14:09
RST38h	Sts: That still sounds better than debian packaging though	14:10
wazd	anyone else was born in july?)	14:10
* RST38h subtracts 9.		14:10
VDVsx	Feb here :)	14:11
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* wazd turned 22 2 days ago :)		14:12
wazd	qwerty12_N810: btw, thanks for happyb'ding :D	14:12
qwerty12_N810	:)	14:12
RST38h	wazd: Another 11 years to found a religion, get at least 12 close friends and a rat.	14:13
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*** VDVsx changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Maemo Summit 2009: Call for Content Now Open! -> http://tinyurl.com/mvbcdy \| Happy birthday Stskeeps!!!"		14:19
VDVsx	:P	14:20
Stskeeps	hehe, thanks	14:20
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X-Fade	http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-maemoorg-packages.html	14:21
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lcuk2	rmt, how do you expect them to get to top of downloads list if they dont keep getting updated ;)	14:22
VDVsx	X-Fade, nice :)	14:23
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lcuk2	happy birthday Stskeeps	14:24
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timelyx	happy birthday	14:25
timelyx	inz: where are you now?	14:25
Stskeeps	ta	14:25
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timelyx	how's the latest release going? (don't ask me to use a browser, mine is busy upgrading)	14:26
timelyx	oh,... in other news...	14:26
timelyx	could i interest someone in reimplementing control panel?	14:26
timelyx	maemo is trying its best to emulate windows 2.x or so	14:26
timelyx	where each thing shares process space	14:27
timelyx	more importantly, control panel applets are modal to the control panel	14:27
timelyx	which means that if you e.g. need to fix your clock while you're doing something complicated in a control panel, you	14:27
timelyx	're so out of luck	14:27
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Stskeeps	we're planning to scrap cp, just use desktop files instead	14:28
lcuk2	but breaking them off and having each panel applet as standalone requires special consideration within wm	14:28
timelyx	why?	14:28
qwerty12_N810	You can run applets from a different process, I have the osso-statusbar-cpu bringing me the clock cp	14:28
timelyx	if done right, i could actually fix the clock without discarding whatever i was doing in the other control panel applet	14:28
lcuk2	ok, maybe not the editors, but the visible indicators do	14:28
* timelyx chuckles		14:29
timelyx	i had an applet which insisted it was already running	14:29
X-Fade	Argh! Feedburner is caching my blog feed and it is outdated.	14:29
timelyx	no matter how i started it	14:29
timelyx	(even after restarting the device)	14:29
timelyx	poor engineer was slightly embarassed	14:29
lcuk2	isnt that what testing is for tho :)	14:30
timelyx	30mins of sitting ...	14:31
timelyx	my keyboard is apparently not nglish anymore	14:31
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timelyx	... sitting with the engineer while he demo'd his product	14:31
qwerty12_N810	Stskeeps: That'd be interesting actually, get hd to look in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel/ and pass the value in the X-control-panel field to osso_cp_plugin_execute	14:31
timelyx	yep... a must fix list that iirc filled a page front+back :)	14:31
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lcuk2	heh timelyx how many of those were made up of sucking air through teeth and errr that might take a while ;)	14:34
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* VDVsx just upgraded his fremantle sdk... hildon-desktop don't start anymore :P		14:37
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andre__	VDVsx, file bugs ;-)	14:39
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wazd	hmm, nothing really new in SDK?)	14:41
VDVsx	andre__, so many errors, I have to wait for the official beta 2, I guess	14:41
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andre__	VDVsx, but the official beta 2 is out :-P	14:41
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VDVsx	andre__, humm, thanks, will give a try after lunch :)	14:42
lcuk2	andre__, how recently? as in just being rolled out now?	14:43
* lcuk2 gets lost by the numbers		14:43
andre__	yes	14:43
lcuk2	ooooh swankeh!	14:43
RST38h	VDV: "A clean and fresh install is recommended because the software has evolved since the last release. However, an upgrade from Beta release can be attempted by following the instructions in the Installation page."	14:44
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rkirti	errr.. is this talk about the beta 2 sdk or something else ?	14:44
lcuk2	i hope its about the sdk lol	14:45
VDVsx	RST38h, RST38h, lol, my instructions was the usual, apt-get update - upgrade	14:45
RST38h	Status bar area now available	14:45
lcuk2	andre__, might be on about something else	14:45
RST38h	VDV: Wrong, WRONG thing to do...	14:45
RST38h	VDV: (with Maemo anyway)	14:45
lcuk2	-,	14:45
jjo	upgrade should work if you follow the instructions ;)	14:46
rkirti	lcuk2: I asked because when I googled, hoping to get the new sdk, I got into the beta 2 release of eclipse integration instead. Maybe I am just short of caffeine :-	14:46
lcuk2	yeah prolly	14:46
rkirti	:-(	14:46
* Stskeeps wonders if rkirti's caffeine addiction is related to the gsoc work		14:47
lcuk2	you need to get a bigger coffee pot	14:47
rkirti	Stskeeps: huh?	14:47
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jjo	couple of debs cause problems but you can work around the problem by installing them first	14:47
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Stskeeps	if i had to do your gsoc work, i would develop a severe caffeine addiction	14:48
rkirti	Stskeeps: life at my institute == 10-12 cups of coffee a day to survive the exams , 5-6 a day otherwise. My parents are so sick of my coffee habits that they totally ban it when I am at home :-(	14:49
rkirti	Stskeeps: rright. <sarcasm>I totally believe that, with all my heart </sarcasm> You are doing SO MUCH MORE :-/	14:50
Stskeeps	ah, withdrawal at parents make the experience so much better	14:51
rkirti	hows the b'day celebrations going ?	14:51
Stskeeps	at a train station	14:51
Stskeeps	good fun :P	14:51
rkirti	hehe	14:51
rkirti	brb	14:51
lcuk2	rkirti, thats an awful lot of water intake, you should really just start chewing coffee beans	14:51
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lcuk2	and bypass the extra trips to the toilet ;)	14:52
RST38h	Sts: Don't you try to quit on us this early! =)	14:52
RST38h	Hmm, no esound on the Fremantle device. Have to get back to my ALSA code	14:53
andre__	Stskeeps, cheers	14:53
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timelyx	lcuk2: i think most of them were more like "doh. <q class=stern>this will be fixed"	14:54
lcuk2	yeah i have lots of notes like that	14:56
lcuk2	i gather you didnt let the poor guy whip out an editor and change it there and then ;)	14:56
timelyx	there were also some <q class=underbreath>the testers should have found this	14:56
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timelyx	andre__: ping	14:56
timelyx	i've got a bug for you (i think)	14:57
timelyx	andre__: find a password field in Maemo5	14:57
timelyx	enter: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz (don't press <enter>)	14:57
timelyx	or if you prefer: qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm (don't press <enter>)	14:57
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timelyx	when you're ready, press and hold <backspace>	14:58
timelyx	pay close attention near the end	14:58
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Stskeeps	RST38h: going to southern jutland to meet up with the fiancee :P	14:59
andre__	timelyx, browser, or system (like device lock)?	14:59
timelyx	i haven't tried browser	14:59
timelyx	i encountered it "elsewhere"	14:59
Stskeeps	gah.. driving in the wrong direction	14:59
timelyx	visiting the other woman?	15:00
Stskeeps	hehe, no :P	15:00
Stskeeps	i just don't like to sit with my back to the driving direction :P	15:00
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timelyx	anyway, i should be off	15:02
timelyx	my phone should be charged	15:02
Stskeeps	jjo, weird question - where is your theme?	15:04
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Stskeeps	ah, nokia-binaries	15:04
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Stskeeps	is there a new theme in the new SDK?	15:15
RST38h	No new screenshots yet	15:15
RST38h	But from the bugs-fixed list it looks like they are now making effort to make the desktop resizable	15:16
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Jaffa	X-Fade: packages looks cool, repository list page looks a little short, could probably double the number of packages shown	15:16
wazd	btw, can I install SDK on Kubuntu?)	15:17
X-Fade	Jaffa: Yeah, there are still a lot of things I need to tweak.	15:17
RST38h	Prolly	15:17
wazd	or should I use gnome one?	15:17
RST38h	I do not think it matters	15:17
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X-Fade	Jaffa: But to be honest, I'm already suprised I made it in time for the beta2 release ;)	15:17
finn	RST38h: the missing file system error is still present	15:18
RST38h	finn: Then I dunno.	15:18
andre__	RST38h, "desktop resizable" means?	15:18
finn	k, thanks	15:18
Jaffa	X-Fade: :)	15:18
X-Fade	Jaffa: Turns out dependency trees etc, can be really hard :)	15:19
RST38h	andre: Quoting from changes document: #2785 status bar should be resizeable.	15:20
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andre__	RST38h, well, for that bug i can say that the space is now much much better used	15:22
andre__	ok, it's still not resizable. but that's not needed anymore	15:22
RST38h	andre: Screenshots?	15:23
andre__	RST38h, i don't plan to be the leak ;-)	15:23
andre__	seen it in copenhagen	15:23
RST38h	andre: Well, beta2 has been just released	15:23
andre__	yeah, and i haven't tried beta2 yet	15:23
RST38h	So you won't be leaking anything	15:23
RST38h	ah ok	15:23
andre__	don't know if that part is included in beta2 actually	15:24
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talig	Anyone has any idea about making promisc mode work in N810?	15:24
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amr	did this channel get a lot bigger or is it me?	15:26
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lbt	you shrank	15:26
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* Jaffa wonders if the "installation guide" RST38h quoted makes it clear and easy to differentiate between re-installing Scratchbox, and reinstalling the rootstrap.		15:27
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amr	i wonder what i can do with my 770...	15:28
amr	it has the wsod problem	15:28
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amr	is there a way to save the 770 after a wsod?	15:30
amr	i assume a reflashing wont do anything	15:30
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qwerty12_N810	arrange for a friend to steal it and get £5 back from the insurance	15:31
amr	heh	15:31
talig	Guys, anyone has a clue about enabling wifi in promiscuous mode, except for attaching a usb wlan device?	15:32
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, happy birthday. :P	15:34
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: ta	15:34
Stskeeps	and of course a shitload of work to do, with beta2 coming out	15:34
Stskeeps	:P	15:34
GeneralAntilles	andre__, can I talk you into deconfusing http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3415 ? :P	15:34
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andre__	GeneralAntilles, how to deconfuse if i"m confused myself? :-P	15:35
GeneralAntilles	andre__, the guy is using things to prove to the other me that I'm confused.	15:36
GeneralAntilles	The problem is that he's confusing the N800 power-on issue with this issue.	15:36
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andre__	GeneralAntilles, and you expect me to....?	15:37
GeneralAntilles	andre__, make everything magically clear. :P	15:37
andre__	so I add a "You are all wronk! WRONK!" comment?! hmm... :)	15:38
GeneralAntilles	Damn, X-Fade.	15:38
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Wazzup?	15:38
lbt	jeremiah_: p i n g	15:38
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, packages looks swanky.	15:39
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Well, didn't do much about the looks yet. About 30 minutes orso ;)	15:39
RST38h	Jaffa: I am pretty sure they mean the whole new installation, SB etc	15:40
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timelys	Hey, anyone here have the latest sdk?	15:42
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GeneralAntilles	Still no task switcher?	15:42
timelys	Does the sdk have any username with password dialogs?	15:43
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GeneralAntilles	Hello, S60 icons.	15:47
Stskeeps	screenshots!	15:48
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Jaffa	RST38h: Eugh, why should an SDK upgrade require me to go through the pain of a Scratchbox install.	15:48
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Jaffa	And this is why I mutter about developer pain	15:48
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RST38h	Sts: Where?	16:01
RST38h	Jaffa: I dunno. I don't care to know. All I know is that every time I try partial upgrade things go wrong	16:01
RST38h	Jaffa: On Windows, all this crap would come in a single MaemoSDK.msi file that you click on.	16:02
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RST38h	Meanwhile... The Chinese government has declared that electric shock treatment is not a suitable therapy for youths allegedly addicted to the internet.	16:03
Stskeeps	it's nt?	16:04
Stskeeps	not	16:04
RST38h	apparently	16:04
RST38h	they probably LIKE it	16:04
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fiferboy	coldboot: Hi, did you submit the fix?	16:08
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* GAN800 mutters about New Yorkers.		16:08
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GAN800	Did we get MicroB in beta 2? I saw some stuff in non-free but didn't have time to check free.	16:14
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andre__	GAN800, as far as I know browser is not included (not tried beta2 myself though)	16:16
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GAN800	Parts of it are then, I guess.	16:17
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timelys	It wasn't supposed to go	16:18
andre__	sigh. fremantle still has lots of proxy bugs. sigh. sigh. sigh.	16:18
timelys	I'm shocked!	16:19
man_in_shack	SHOCKINGLY SHOCKED	16:19
X-Fade	andre__: Probably because the Nokia proxy is buggy :)	16:19
GAN800	Fremantle still has lots of communication bugs. . . .	16:20
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* GAN800 is tired of seeing andre in my bugmail.		16:20
GAN800	No offense, andre__. ;)	16:20
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andre__	GAN800, no problem, i can resign immediately ;-)	16:21
GAN800	Only if it'd kick those damn Nokians into action. ;)	16:22
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lcuk3	GAN800, book a flight, knock on the door carefully (watch out, its automatic), kick ass	16:26
RST38h	GAN: It would require sqcrificing virgins, I am afraid.	16:26
RST38h	Repetitively, too.	16:26
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GAN800	RST38h, shouldn't be a problem. This IS IRC. ;)	16:27
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wazd_ubuntu	hehe :)	16:28
RST38h	No, looks like it will need to be an IRL sacrifice =)	16:28
RST38h	Hehe, wazd ended up installing ubuntu =)	16:28
timeless_mbp	GAN800: it's only going to get worse for a bit	16:28
timeless_mbp	but keep in mind, most nokians are on vacation this month :)	16:28
timeless_mbp	it should get better sometime around harmattan :)	16:28
lcuk3	thats umpossible, gan hasn't unlocked "going outside" achievement	16:28
RST38h	wazd: Gnome desktop is actually cleaner, although lacks many "features"	16:28
timeless_mbp	(don't ask me what a harmattan is, i don't know)	16:28
wazd_ubuntu	rst38h, well, I even installed VMWare tools :P	16:29
GAN800	timeless_mbp, Nokia is slowly wearing away all of my enthusiasm for this platform. :)	16:29
timeless_mbp	GAN800: it's all about the people :)	16:30
GAN800	lcuk3, it was worth 50g, and I have too, you dolt. :P	16:30
timeless_mbp	(the people here that is)	16:30
wazd_ubuntu	rst38h, dunno if it will enable some kind of 3d acceleration though	16:30
lcuk3	timeless_mbp, does that mean we need "fixed in frem^W harmattan" tshirts	16:30
timeless_mbp	lcuk3: i think you can wait at least a month before you start negotiating with a printer for those :)	16:31
timeless_mbp	for all i know you might be able to wait twenty or thirty months :)	16:31
timeless_mbp	(but i sure hope not)	16:31
* timeless_mbp knows nothing about schedules and likes it that way		16:31
fiferboy	wazd: If you have OpenGL in Windows and use virtualbox 3 you can use OpenGL in the guest	16:31
fiferboy	I'm not sure about VMWare, I think it does an OpenGL/Direct3D translation on some combination of host/guest systems	16:32
RST38h	wazd: Are you running it inside VMWare then?	16:32
wazd_ubuntu	fiferboy: I have OpenGL but I use VMWare :(	16:32
wazd_ubuntu	rsT38h, yep	16:32
timeless_mbp	wazd: upgrade ;-)	16:32
RST38h	Ah, just install Ubuntu directly	16:32
fiferboy	wazd_ubuntu: VMWare might do OpenGL->OpenGL too now, I'm not sure	16:32
RST38h	I mean, sooner or later, you will still end up installing it directly, so why delay the inevitable...	16:32
fiferboy	wazd_ubuntu: This might work for you: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/	16:33
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wazd	fiferboy: oh, thanks!	16:36
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Jaffa	3.3x faster ARM JIT just been pushed into Jalimo	16:51
javispedro	cacao or?	16:52
RST38h	Using Jazelle or what?	16:54
talig	Hi everyone, does anyone know of a way to get the wlan0 in promisc mode?	16:54
javispedro	isn't Jazelle yet another totally undocumented and unused feature of my beloved N8x0?	16:54
X-Fade	Is it me or is there an echo in here?	16:55
javispedro	too many questions? :D	16:55
talig	I think he's referring to me repeating the same unanswered question...	16:56
talig	But I may be wrong	16:56
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GAN800	talig, you don't.	17:03
talig	Why not? :(	17:03
GAN800	Unless you can hack the firmware.	17:03
talig	Could you please elaborate a bit? Also, there's the open source driver - you have a clue if that will do the trick?	17:05
talig	[I mean the stlc45xx driver]	17:05
X-Fade	talig: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2009-January/000125.html	17:06
X-Fade	talig: "Start interface in promiscuous mode by default.	17:06
X-Fade	Google tells me that at least.	17:06
timeless_mbp	javispedro: so um...	17:07
javispedro	hi :D	17:07
timeless_mbp	http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/java/jazelle.html	17:07
talig	X-Fade, thanks. Do you know if it works though?	17:08
X-Fade	talig: Why don't you try it out? :)	17:08
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lcuk3	and write a nice wiki page to help people who follow	17:08
javispedro	why the * does that arm.com contain a link to mozillazine's "Help with Embedded Video for Firefox" thread?	17:09
timeless_mbp	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle	17:09
talig	lcuk - definitely, if I'm forced to go through with it... X-Fade, I suppose I will inevitably have to. I was hoping to find here someone who already has, since there isn't much mentions about all of this online.	17:09
timeless_mbp	javispedro: i was wondering about that :)	17:10
fiferboy	lbt: Hi David	17:10
timeless_mbp	javispedro: but really...	17:10
javispedro	timeless_mbp, according to wikipedia "The published specifications are very incomplete, being only sufficient for writing operating system code that can support a JVM that uses Jazelle"	17:10
X-Fade	Does anybody have a package that can be uploaded to fremantle extras-devel, so I can test the upgraded autobuilder? :)	17:10
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timeless_mbp	if i sold you a pocket knife	17:11
timeless_mbp	and said "you can use this to cut things, and it'll fit in your pocket"	17:11
timeless_mbp	would you complain if it was actually a swiss army knife and could do a bunch of other things?	17:11
timeless_mbp	i didn't market those other features, and i probably bought the knife without intending to use them, so i didn't pay for the documentation on those other features	17:11
timeless_mbp	which made it cheaper for me to test and package and document my knife	17:12
lbt	fiferboy: hi Andrew	17:12
lbt	I'm just writing up some OBS cross compile stuff	17:12
RST38h	javispedro: As far as I know, Jazelle is disabled unless you pay extra money to ARm to enable it	17:12
fiferboy	lbt: I'm taking a look at those issues Antonio brought up about finger scrolling	17:12
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lbt	did he reply about the branch?	17:13
RST38h	javispedro: And no, it is not just lack of documentation but an actual disabled-on-chip thing	17:13
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javispedro	please note I'm not blaming Nokia for this	17:13
lbt	(also, did you see my comments on branching ... and what do you think?)	17:13
fiferboy	lbt: hildon-pannable-area seems to arbitrarily limit the maximum scroll width to 788 and height to 378	17:13
lbt	I don't think we should be emulating h-p-a in many ways ;)	17:13
lbt	fiferboy: imagine Mer, using h-p-a on an 800x600 device	17:14
lbt	<sigh>	17:14
fiferboy	lbt: I saw them, and I think I agree :)	17:14
javispedro	RST38h: on the other side, I find it hard to believe they selectively disable/enable Jazelle	17:15
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lbt	BTW, I installed fremantle conboy on Mer now	17:15
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lbt	and it uses h-p-a	17:15
fiferboy	lbt: I know, maybe I should put it in a FREMANTLE ifdef	17:15
javispedro	considering they've done a pretty nice job "hiding the details", why disable it?	17:15
lbt	and it breaks :)	17:15
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lbt	'cos conboy can't select text anymore!	17:15
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fiferboy	lbt: All teh fremantle deps are there?	17:15
lbt	fiferboy: I don't like ifdefs based on things like 'FREMANTLE' .. they should be functional	17:16
GAN800	timeless_mbp, but I want the Swiss Army Knife for the pocket knife price.	17:16
lbt	and then the ./configure for fremantle should (de-)select them	17:16
timeless_mbp	GAN800: well, figuring out how to use it safely is your problem	17:16
javispedro	timeless_mbp: I blame ARM and Omap. I didn't blame Palm when they did not provide USB host software, but since I had free XScale documentation I developed a driver myself and thus satifised my hacking needs	17:16
fiferboy	lbt: I understand trying to get Qt to behave as much like Fremantle as possible at this point	17:16
lbt	sure	17:17
javispedro	(and BTW I fried my Palm T\|X that way :P )	17:17
Jaffa	RST38h: Cacao: not sure; javispedro: not Jazelle	17:17
timeless_mbp	javispedro: heh	17:17
timeless_mbp	javispedro: anyway... you sound like the kind of person who could try poking jazelle	17:17
lbt	won't she object?	17:17
javispedro	not at all, since I can't read ARM assembler :D	17:17
timeless_mbp	reading arm asm isn't that bad	17:18
fiferboy	If we are going to limit something in finger scrolling to make it like h-p-a, at least we can only do it for Fremantle	17:18
StsMob	I wonder if two touch is good for selecting stuff	17:18
RST38h	javispedro: let me look around for a moment	17:18
timeless_mbp	http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/jazelle/jazelle.html	17:18
fiferboy	Not the best solution, perhaps, but it'll kind of work for now, sort of	17:18
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lbt	fiferboy: well, I hate having to #define FREMANTLE in Mer	17:19
fiferboy	lbt: Okay, so with git if I want to work only on the mew-fingerscrolling branch but still need to compile with all the qt-diablo fixes, how best to do that?	17:19
RST38h	javispedro: somebody got there before you: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12992.html	17:19
fiferboy	lbt: Ah yes, because you want all the Fremantle features but no the limitations...	17:19
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lbt	yes	17:19
fiferboy	Maybe we should have FREMANTLE_FEATURE and FREMANTLE_LIMIT :)	17:20
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lbt	make it functional... LIMIT_SCROLL_AREA	17:20
lbt	then #ifdef FREMANTLE #define LIMT....	17:20
fiferboy	Wouldn't that still limit for mer with the FREMANTLE define?	17:20
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lbt	yes, but I'll have one less to fix when I go and correct them all	17:21
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fiferboy	Alrighty, I can do that.	17:21
javispedro	" the Java hypothetical machine (JVM) " this is going to be fun :D	17:21
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fiferboy	lbt: Currently I cloned the git repo, created a "merging" branch and checked out qt-diablo and merged mer-fingerscrolling	17:22
fiferboy	If I want to work on finger scrolling, should I have it completely separated in a different branch?	17:23
RST38h	BTW, Cortex appears to not support Jazelle	17:23
RST38h	So forget about it in N9x0	17:23
javispedro	RST38h: cause I assume that at some point it's just slower than JIT	17:23
fiferboy	And if I want to test the compile, have a qt-diablo branch and merge my local finger scrolling branch in?	17:23
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lbt	have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious	17:24
Jaffa	javispedro: That'd be my guess too. A good JIT should outperform Jazelle	17:24
VDVsx	lcuk3, "Update: With the Fremantle beta2 release the Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) aka 4500MHD aka GM45 on Ubuntu 9.04 seems to work fast out of the box without any special configuration."	17:24
lbt	fiferboy: that sounds close	17:24
fiferboy	lbt: I have looked at that before	17:24
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lbt	I think you should checkout mer/fingerscroll, make changes and then	17:25
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lbt	to test, merge into a build branch and then build	17:25
lcuk3	VDVsx, now that sounds like a serious improvement!	17:25
javispedro	either way wikipedia says Cortex ha s it	17:25
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fiferboy	Oh My God! I think I understand git!	17:25
RST38h	javispedro: ARM says Cortex does not have Jazelle	17:25
fiferboy	(a little bit)	17:25
VDVsx	lcuk3, you can test it now :)	17:25
RST38h	javispedro: "Provides trivial implementation where BXJ acts as BX"	17:26
lcuk3	not really, still doesnt support xv i bet	17:26
* lcuk3 will just carry on making n8x0 better :)		17:26
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javispedro	I think I read somewhere about that, that they were concentrating instead on "accelerating common JITted languages operations"	17:27
fiferboy	lbt: Can we remove the "fingerscroll" branch from gitorious and just keep "mer-fingerscrolling"?	17:27
lbt	yes, I think so.	17:27
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lbt	delete locally and : git push :deadbranch	17:27
lbt	the : is important	17:28
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Jaffa	javispedro RST38h: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/jalimo-info/2009-July/000361.html	17:30
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javispedro	"It delivers 70-80% of the performance of a JIT without the additional costs associated with a JIT solution such as extra memory to cache the JIT code"	17:33
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RST38h	Jaffa: This does not sound like big news then	17:34
RST38h	So, they replaced C interpreter with assembly one...	17:34
javispedro	one of the reasons of Jazelle is reduced memory usage	17:34
glass	how expensive they think memory is	17:34
RST38h	Still no prepackaged MIDP solution for the tablets in Extras, too	17:34
javispedro	so I see why ARM is targeting that	17:34
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ShadowJK	I heard nokia doesn't use it in any of their phones	17:35
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ShadowJK	the licensing fees to arm are probably not worth it :)	17:36
glass	yeah probably not	17:37
glass	per mhz their own vm(sun originated iirc..) isn't bad	17:37
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VDVsx	humm, the main menu layout in the beta 2 is a bit weird	17:37
lcuk3	this thread is useless without screenshots	17:38
javispedro	agreed :)	17:38
coldboot	fiferboy: Just got in to work, haven't submitted it yet.	17:39
fiferboy	coldboot: Gotcha. Glad it's working	17:39
RST38h	glass: Sun has two	17:39
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RST38h	glass: One is SunSpot, which costs money, near impossible to get unless you are a big company, and uses JIT	17:40
RST38h	glass: Another is KVM, free but really really slow	17:40
glass	RST38h: yep but i'm not sure which nokia has and also could fall under some nda..	17:40
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VDVsx	lcuk3, http://www.valeriovalerio.org/images/fremantle_beta2_menu.jpeg	17:42
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VDVsx	probably will appear more things in this menu	17:42
lcuk3	anonymous delivers!	17:43
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javispedro	i'm seeing there's no j2se jazelle-enabled vm available, not even from Sun.	17:44
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VDVsx	also new: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/images/fremantle_beta2_settings.jpeg	17:46
RST38h	glass: Well, my E70 definitely has KVM =)	17:46
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javispedro	green close icon???? that's it, i'm not buying the N900 ;)	17:50
VDVsx	javispedro, the dev theme is green :)	17:51
javispedro	I'll need to install that someday	17:51
fiferboy	Oh no, I think I am starting to like git!	17:52
coldboot	Can you fix your git repository in Gitorious, or once you push is it there forever?	17:53
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fiferboy	I haven't done anything with gitorious repos yet...	17:53
lbt	coldboot: define 'fix'	17:53
ShadowJK	javispedro, yeah you have to pay arm for it	17:54
javispedro	ShadowJK, you have to pay for the J2ME one. The J2SE one is not even available.	17:54
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coldboot	lbt: I reverted the wrong change and pushed to my fork of qt-maemo.	17:54
coldboot	lbt: I want to fix it up, by removing that revert, and having the erased history reflected on gitorious.	17:55
lbt	by revert... did you commit a deletion patch?	17:55
coldboot	lbt: Yeah	17:56
lbt	or reset HEAD by -1 ?	17:56
RST38h	javispedro: The green close button is probably the least of the problems with Fremantle UI	17:56
coldboot	lbt: I committed a git-revert	17:56
lbt	OK, you can probably reset HEAD	17:56
lbt	git reset HEAD^1	17:56
coldboot	But I have other commits surrounding it now	17:56
lbt	use gitk --all&	17:56
coldboot	I have 1, 2, 3, 4 -- and I want to delete 2	17:56
qwerty12_N810	RST38h: UI?...	17:56
lbt	OK, go to 1,	17:56
lbt	branch	17:56
lbt	cherry pick 3,4	17:56
lcuk3	VDVsx, well at least it doesnt look likea music player anymore :p	17:56
javispedro	RST38h, just being sarcastic :)	17:57
lbt	delete orig branch	17:57
lbt	name 4 as head of new branch	17:57
RST38h	ShadowJK: "pay arm for it" sounded...mmm...deeper than it should have	17:57
coldboot	lbt: Is there any way to do this on Gitorious as well?	17:57
lbt	a push will then send it to remote	17:57
lcuk3	javispedro, be thankful theres a close icon at all! its one of the biggest bones on contention according to t.m.o	17:58
coldboot	lbt: And overwrite the history?	17:58
RST38h	"An Italian wedding reception ended badly when the bride's bouquet downed an ultralight aircraft"	17:58
lbt	you risk upsetting people who have pulled but you don't care :)	17:58
coldboot	lbt: Okay cool, I thought git-push wouldn't let you do that.	17:58
lbt	there is no history if nothing points to a point in the future	17:58
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coldboot	lbt: So what happens to others if you do this?	17:58
lbt	they have a dangling commit which should be pruned	17:58
lbt	as there is no ref	17:58
javispedro	ohh... a multitasking gadget without close icon... microsoft already tried it ;)	17:59
lbt	it's bad practice if you run a genuine shared repo	17:59
lbt	you're just learning and have no friends though ;)	17:59
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lbt	I would be cautious doing it to qt-maemo	17:59
lbt	and wouldn't do it to qt	18:00
VDVsx	anyone knows how to run/view the example-status-applet & maemo5-load-applet ? :)	18:00
coldboot	lbt: I did all of the cherry-picking, and git reset --hard HEAD, but git-branch still says I'm on "no branch"	18:00
coldboot	lbt: This was all on the qt-diablo branch.	18:00
lbt	url ?	18:01
lbt	nhooey ?	18:01
coldboot	http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes	18:02
coldboot	It hasn't been pushed yet	18:02
coldboot	lbt: I have git-log showing everything I want, it's all ready to go, I just need to have git-branch show that I'm on qt-diablo instead of "no branch"	18:02
lbt	OK	18:03
coldboot	lbt: I have to move the head of qt-diablo to point to the head I'm looking at now, right?	18:03
lbt	probably git branch -d qt-diablo ; git checkout -b qt-diablo	18:03
coldboot	lbt: That's probably going to delete a branch, then try to checkout a branch that no longer exists...	18:05
lbt	it deletes the mnemonic reference to a commit	18:06
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lbt	then it starts on the current commit and creates a branch (mnemonic reference) to the current commit called qt-maemo	18:06
lbt	I think	18:07
amr	sounds simple	18:07
lbt	it's actually very simple :)	18:07
lbt	a branch is a file holding a number	18:07
lbt	if you look at the number it contains a back-link (linked-list style) to the previous commit(s)	18:08
lbt	a branch is not a collection of commits	18:08
coldboot	Oh I had to `git reset --hard <commit_that_i_want_as_head>` while I was on the qt-diablo branch.	18:08
coldboot	A branch is a pointer to a commit, which has many ancestor pointers, right?	18:09
lbt	OK, wasn't sure if checkout -b works on a non-branch	18:09
lbt	http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/	18:09
coldboot	Who else would git be for? ;)	18:09
lbt	http://hoth.entp.com/output/git_for_designers.html	18:09
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coldboot	Wow much longer...	18:09
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andre___	Stskeeps, can you check 4649 again in SDK beta2?	18:10
RST38h	lbt: Are all of these instances of "git for geeks" though?	18:10
lbt	geek is the new black	18:10
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* lbt wanders out to cut down the jungle...... I'll be back for breakfast... smoke me a kipper!		18:12
coldboot	Does anyone know how to merge request?	18:15
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lcuk3	lbt, "what a guy!"	18:18
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javispedro	I hate myself. Was thinking "don't read that jazelle discussion, don't read that jazelle discussion don't read or you'll do no real work today"	18:24
javispedro	I read it.	18:24
javispedro	:(	18:24
coldboot	Alright I sent a merge request for the flickering bug for qt-maemo on qt-diablo branch.	18:24
javispedro	already fired up gdb :(	18:25
fiferboy	coldboot: Got the merge request	18:25
coldboot	woo	18:25
coldboot	This is so fun.	18:25
fiferboy	Probably should have sent it to Antonio...	18:25
RST38h	javispedro: And now the worst thing is going to happen to you	18:26
coldboot	I just made the request on Gitorious, it should be sent to everyone.	18:26
fiferboy	Ah, okay. It looks like it is only to me in my email.	18:26
RST38h	javispedro: You will start hacking it and the next thing you know, it is Christmas	18:26
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coldboot	fiferboy: Probably sends out separate emails to each person.	18:26
javispedro	:(	18:26
fiferboy	coldboot: Probably right	18:26
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fiferboy	lbt: Everytime I try to checkout mer-fingerscrolling I get this:	18:27
fiferboy	git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing	18:27
javispedro	lucky for me I'm going on vacation soon	18:28
javispedro	btw, does any of you use a handheld (not a car) garmin gps? do you know some neat backtrack-like software?	18:28
javispedro	for the nit of course	18:28
fiferboy	lbt: I can check out other branches with no problems	18:28
lbt	mer/fingerscrolling ?	18:29
fiferboy	lbt: It helps if I use the correct branch name :\|	18:31
* lbt nods		18:31
fiferboy	mer-fingerscroll, I was using mer-fingerscrolling	18:31
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fiferboy	lbt: overshoot max is actually 150, I was reading the MAXIMUM WIDTH/HEIGHT ALLOCATABLE TO H-P-A	18:37
fiferboy	They actually restrict the size of the widget based on the screen resolution	18:37
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lbt	coldboot: I think tThe merge request should be against the right branch.	18:57
lbt	I think hildon-input-method ? rather than qt-maemo?	18:58
javispedro	what a fast hacking session	18:59
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javispedro	jazelle IS enabled on the N810	18:59
javispedro	.byte 4 /* iconst_1 /.byte 0xFF / eof? */	18:59
javispedro	produces r3 0x11	18:59
javispedro	so it has loaded a 1 on the java stack	19:00
javispedro	it eventually crashes since it keeps on running	19:00
javispedro	but the 1 is there, on the java stack :D	19:00
coldboot	lbt: qt-diablo it should be against	19:01
lbt	why ?	19:01
coldboot	lbt: I'm not sure, that's what I was told initially to pull from...	19:01
lbt	yes, well :)	19:02
lbt	we need (as a group) to better understand how to use DVCS	19:02
coldboot	Probably true.	19:02
lbt	I have proposals	19:02
lbt	but they may not fit with how others work	19:02
coldboot	So just to be clear, should I have pulled from qt-diablo to begin with?	19:02
lbt	yes	19:02
coldboot	And then I merge request to hildon?	19:03
lbt	qt-diablo is a working, fully merged branch	19:03
coldboot	So I merge to hildon, and eventually someone merges back to diablo when they feel it's safe.	19:03
lbt	did you catch my email on the qt-dev list?	19:03
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lbt	we should be maintaining a managed set of patches	19:03
coldboot	I'm not subscribed.	19:04
lbt	ah... subscribe	19:04
lbt	it's very low volume	19:04
coldboot	Qt Interest not so much.	19:04
coldboot	What's the list literally called?	19:04
lbt	http://pastebin.com/d6e44f470	19:04
javispedro	(na, forget that, I spoke too fast)	19:04
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lbt	coldboot: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt#Contributing_to_the_Maemo_Qt_Project	19:06
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lbt	bbiab	19:06
Jaffa	javispedro: Oh, coo.. <reads further/> crap.	19:06
javispedro	lol sorry	19:07
coldboot	I think a merge request should have suggested destinations, but the accepter should be able to do whatever they want with it.	19:08
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Jaffa	javispedro: You had no idea how excited I was briefly ;-)	19:09
coldboot	Also, the accepter should be able to configure a message that the requester reads before submitting.	19:09
Jaffa	~seen lardman	19:09
infobot	lardman <n=vircuser@enpc-smm11.bath.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 7h 5m 24s ago, saying: 'morning'.	19:09
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coldboot	lbt: If I try to merge to hildon-input-method from qt-diablo, then I get a long list of unrelated qt-diablo commits that are going to be sent...	19:21
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coldboot	lbt: Okay I sent a merge request from nhooey/hildon-input-method to qt-maemo/hildon-input-method, by cherry-picking my two commits over to hildon-input-method...	19:31
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yutsai	hi guys, is there anyway to read XKeyEvent without using hildon on Maemo?	19:32
yutsai	i am trying to type on my X11 applications, but KeyPress event just not delegated to my apps.	19:33
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johnsq	Hi	19:39
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javispedro	yutsai: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=package&id=2	19:41
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javispedro	uses gdk afaik	19:42
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yutsai	javispedro, i have some reasons couldn't use gdk. i am writing pure opengl es2 program.	19:43
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yutsai	javispedro, EGL surface is built on plain x11 window	19:44
yutsai	hmm turning x11 into gdk, interesting! thanks!	19:45
javispedro	yep	19:45
javispedro	:D	19:45
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javispedro	I hope it works, cause I never tried it...	19:46
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napsy	Hello. Is it possible to use openstreetmap as the default map for the GPS tracker on n810?	20:25
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ShadowJK	napsy, I think you want to install maemomapper	20:27
napsy	hm ok	20:28
napsy	because I lost the original map that comes with nokia when I flashed the device	20:28
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mgedmin	maemomapper is awesome	20:29
mgedmin	osm2go is also awesome, if you want to edit openstreetmap rather than look at it	20:29
mgedmin	flashing shouldn't have removed the original map; it's stored in the internal sd card which is not touched by flashing	20:30
ShadowJK	napsy, the original map application is probably installable through application manager, and then you can download maps from inside the map application	20:30
mgedmin	(but which often came from the factory misformatted and could easily get corrupted)	20:30
napsy	ok	20:30
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rkirti	What is this "comapp" package that so many diablo apps are asking for ? It doesnt seem to be in the apt repos	20:47
ShadowJK	libcomapp0?	20:48
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ShadowJK	appears in repos for me	20:48
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rkirti	ShadowJK: sorry, I was trying to get diablo apps to build outside sb, but using fremantle repos.	21:00
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lcuk	evening maemo \o	21:03
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wazd	you know what?)	21:10
wazd	http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869594903/	21:10
wazd	looks like this is the final fremantle UI :D	21:10
wazd	with some minor changes like icons'n'stuff :)	21:11
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konttori_	wazd: interesting.	21:13
konttori_	oh. those are from the maemo summit	21:13
qwerty12_N810	konttori_: if you were to install x11vnc on the proto and forward the port, we wouldn't tell :)	21:14
wazd	qwerty12_N810: jeje ;)	21:15
konttori_	lol.	21:15
timeless_mbp	wazd: well, from looking at the browser	21:16
timeless_mbp	i can assure you that it isn't :)	21:16
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wazd	timeless_mbp: at least desktop shot looks almost the same	21:16
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timeless_mbp	wazd: i carefully ignored that :)	21:16
wazd	timeless_mbp: ;)	21:17
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konttori_	wazd, same as what?	21:17
timeless_mbp	presumably what's in the latest sdk	21:17
RST38h	back	21:17
RST38h	Anything new and exciting?	21:17
wazd	konttori_: as the shots from beta 2	21:17
konttori_	oh, there is beta 2?	21:17
timeless_mbp	konttori_: where are you now? :)	21:18
* timeless_mbp is contemplating food or something		21:18
konttori_	at home on vacation	21:18
timeless_mbp	bah	21:18
timeless_mbp	get ukmp finished :)	21:18
konttori_	Hmm... I was working on it today	21:18
konttori_	I have some issues with home consuming all mouse click events from my SDL window for the top left corner or about 50x50 pixels.	21:19
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RST38h	It's an iPhone. Now we know.	21:20
timeless_mbp	that's normal :)	21:20
konttori_	So, I cannot have a back-button there untin someone fixes it.	21:20
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* konttori_ does not fully like our error management process, where that issue will probably linger on for a long time		21:20
timeless_mbp	you don't fully like it?	21:21
timeless_mbp	that implies that you at least partially like it	21:21
timeless_mbp	traitor!	21:21
yutsai	javispedro, after trying a bit ... i decided to hard code the x11 keyevent lol.	21:21
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konttori_	lol. actually I do like how it has been running for the past 2.5 weeks.	21:21
johnsq	konttori_: You mean found, but more evil are the not found.	21:21
konttori_	I think those changes were a good call.	21:21
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timeless_mbp	no idea which changes those were	21:21
konttori_	are you kidding?	21:21
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timeless_mbp	nope	21:22
javispedro	dunno yutsai, I assume that's ok :)	21:22
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konttori_	lol. ok, good for you that you haven't had to care. Anyway, cannot comment in here, but they were good.	21:22
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konttori_	I suppose as you guys have been working on the new engine, you haven't had to look any other way for a while	21:23
wazd	I've lost the screenshot with beta 2 statusbar :(	21:23
timeless_mbp	konttori_: i walk around and visit other projects	21:24
timeless_mbp	i just get depressed	21:24
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konttori_	I usually get excited.	21:24
konttori_	so, when was beta 2 launched?	21:25
* lcuk gets konttori_ some tissues		21:25
konttori_	does it have minirc?	21:25
konttori_	lol! lcuk. not that excited	21:25
ShadowJK	there's anonymous ftp, why can't there be anonymous sifoip (stab in face over ip)	21:25
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lcuk	konttori_, why is your ukmp switching between landscape/portrait all the time?	21:25
konttori_	lcuk, only from rotation.	21:26
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konttori_	hmm... If you have old proto, the accelerometer might function differently from the latest ones	21:26
lcuk	how well does ukmp work on normal desktops?	21:26
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konttori_	well, I develop it on osx, but it's relying on pygame for audio there	21:27
konttori_	which is not very reliable	21:27
lcuk	the only device i have with accelerometer is my x41	21:27
konttori_	but on linux you can easily use it	21:27
RST38h	wazd: is there a screenshot with all the icons?	21:27
konttori_	lcuk: but you have a proto, right?	21:27
lcuk	i wish, no	21:28
lcuk	i even tried to steal one from cph!	21:28
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* lcuk got as far as the door		21:28
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wazd	RST38h: not yet	21:29
suihkulokki	lcuk: doors are such a problem	21:29
lcuk	yes	21:29
lcuk	had i not hesitated i wouldv gotten away with it lol	21:30
qwerty12_N810	Nokia would've sent their hitmen after you	21:30
amr	who wants a broken 770? ill give you it	21:30
amr	it's sat there with a sad (white) face on it	21:30
lcuk	nokia torch!	21:31
amr	haha	21:31
lcuk	rechargable	21:31
amr	just reflashed it so now i cant even ssh into it	21:31
amr	owell	21:31
lcuk	someone could give you measurements to the required positions	21:31
lcuk	to open a console	21:31
amr	haha	21:31
javispedro	(gdb) print $sp : $1 = <value optimized out>	21:33
javispedro	gdb surprises me	21:33
javispedro	a lot	21:33
javispedro	it's nice to know it can somehow "optimize out" a friggin hw register	21:35
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konttori_	hah. Just added 'safety guard' to ukmp deletions. It will now ask you to confirm before delete. Does it quite nicely though. When in delete mode, double click on any item deletes it directly.	21:35
konttori_	still easy to cleanup bad music, but less easy to do so accidentally,	21:35
ds3	when I don't want it constantly reconnect it pops up a connect message to cancel out of every 30 second or so... now it never automatically connects :(	21:35
konttori_	(like I just did while debugging -> the reason to finally implement it)	21:36
johnsq	konttori_: you can also delete in a trash can and empty it later	21:36
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konttori_	lcuk, I thought you had. When will you get it?	21:36
lcuk	konttori_, no matter how many single/double click guards you put in place, a person will still delete their media accidentally.	21:37
konttori_	johnsq: sure, but I like the directness of this.	21:37
konttori_	lcuk: sure, but now they can stop complaining to me about it.	21:37
lcuk	johnsq is on the right track, dont actively delete files	21:37
lcuk	mark for deletion and dont show those marked	21:37
konttori_	well, on first click, the item turns to say, click again to delete the song.	21:38
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konttori_	so, it's quite straight forward.	21:38
konttori_	And trash bin only works if there is platform wide support for it.	21:38
lcuk	and when its in your pocket and your keys rub up and delete your favorite music..	21:38
lcuk	not at all	21:38
lcuk	i have similar	21:38
lcuk	i just rename all deleted sketches	21:38
lcuk	everyone has an oh shit moment	21:39
konttori_	sure, and if there is another app using those, how will that work?	21:39
lcuk	konttori_, i dunno, ask quim if he can get me one	21:39
konttori_	Will that other app also be able to 'recover' them?	21:39
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lcuk	but i might have to sign my life away	21:39
konttori_	and will the deletion from that other app be the same	21:39
* konttori_ will be on vacation for 3.5 weeks.		21:39
konttori_	so, won't ask from quim for a while	21:39
lcuk	then stop asking me, i cry buckets cos i want new toys	21:40
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konttori_	well, now I finally know you don't have one.	21:41
lcuk	ive told you every time \@	21:41
lcuk	now, if you are goin on holiday, do you need yours?	21:41
lcuk	konttori_, how does tracker handle deletion of media that its tracking?	21:42
lcuk	or in the process of building meta info for	21:42
konttori_	get's inotify event from kernel and removes the item from db	21:42
lcuk	ie, take big 5mp picture, then delete immediately	21:43
lcuk	whilst its trying to be parsed	21:43
konttori_	if it is indexing the file, the deletion event gets put to queue and handled as the next thing to do.	21:43
lcuk	but the deletion event fails if the file is in use	21:43
konttori_	If extraction is going on, there is a read lock on the file and kernel won't allow you to delete it	21:43
lcuk	or it does in a sane os	21:43
konttori_	indeed.	21:43
lcuk	(like windows :D)	21:43
* lcuk giggles		21:44
konttori_	but, there is also the time of writing the data to db. and on that time, there is no read lock on the file	21:44
ds3	nothing wrong with deleting an open file	21:44
konttori_	so, that contingency is handled with the separate event handling for the deletion	21:44
ds3	it is done all the time, this is a feature	21:44
lcuk	ds3, hold until reboot, or delete on close?	21:45
ds3	until close but define delete carefully	21:45
lcuk	rm blah	21:45
lcuk	i assume	21:45
ds3	the way it works is - you do an unlink() on a file	21:45
xnt14	~seen b-man16	21:45
infobot	b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 32m 11s ago, saying: 'hi!!! :D'.	21:46
ds3	anyone that held a fd on there (i.e. has it open()) doesn't see anything changed	21:46
xnt14	lol	21:46
ds3	as soon as everyone closes it, the file itself is freed up.	21:46
lcuk	ds3, thats actually quite cool, same process even if open for writing?	21:46
johnsq	aslong someone has it open, you can recover the file with /proc	21:46
ds3	firefox, for example, uses this to do temp files. it open() a file in /tmp to create it; then immediately unlink() that file. now that file is available temp storage w/o leaving crude around or having conflicts	21:46
ds3	lcuk: yep. any references to the file. R or W	21:47
lcuk	ds3 :) thats actually really really cool	21:47
* lcuk raises a glass to the people who implemented it		21:47
ds3	johnsq: yep. if you are worried, do sleep 2342234234234 < /path/tofilename& on all the files	21:47
ds3	lcuk: it is posix, IIRC	21:47
lcuk	:D	21:49
* lcuk learnt something new today		21:49
RST38h	http://gizmodo.com/5314304/64-gadgets-dragged-back-to-1979/gallery/	21:49
lcuk	thx ds3	21:49
Jaffa	POSIX rocks	21:50
lbt	POSIX sucks	21:50
lbt	in lots of other places ;)	21:50
lcuk	some bits of posix rock then	21:51
lbt	POSIX is a bit rocky, yes	21:51
lcuk	can we say that POSIX socks and keep everyone happy?	21:51
ds3	RST38h: 12.. heh... I think someone made a PC Motherboard with tube amps	21:51
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florian	re	21:55
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RST38h	ds3: yea, that much isn't a problem	21:59
RST38h	ds3: making a crt-based Zune is though =)	21:59
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coldboot	I need to change the version string for the qt-maemo debian package, but where is it defined?	21:59
lcuk	debian/changelog i believe	22:00
fiferboy_	coldboot: Do you want to increment it?	22:00
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fiferboy_	"dch -i" will let you increment and add comments	22:01
coldboot	fiferboy_: I want to change the name and increment it, so it's unique and automatically replaces the version on the device, but will get replaced later by 4.5.2 when it's the default.	22:01
coldboot	I have 4.5.0-1maemo2, and I want to make it something like 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen	22:02
fiferboy_	coldboot: One way is to check out the git tag for 4.5.1 and apply the changes you want	22:02
fiferboy_	Then dch -i, which would change it to 4.5.0-1maemo3	22:02
lcuk	that might conflict with the official one	22:02
coldboot	fiferboy_: But that might clash with the real maemo3 released by you guys in the future...	22:02
lcuk	wont it	22:02
fiferboy_	Or you could change the number to whatever you want in the changelog line that gets added	22:02
coldboot	debian/changelog?	22:03
lcuk	coldboot, i think your idea was right, but wgen0 i think	22:03
lcuk	dont worry coldboot, the debian/changelog is normal deb stuff not qt	22:03
lcuk	my mistake	22:03
coldboot	lcuk: -1maemo2-wgen0	22:03
fiferboy_	I'm not sure if there will be any more 4.5.0 releases, now that 4.5.2 is being worked on, but better safe than sorry	22:03
fiferboy_	coldboot: That would work	22:03
lcuk	coldboot, it sounds right and how other packages appear to work (see -mer stuff)	22:04
coldboot	So the dpkg detects that a number in the same place is higher, such as 3 > 2, or 14 > 5, or that if the numbers in the same places are the same, the newer package has more crap on the end of it?	22:04
fiferboy_	I'm pretty sure that's how it works	22:05
lcuk	think so, its why theres packages with pi and e	22:05
fiferboy_	And there is an epoch number that can override all that but should be used sparingly (it seems)	22:05
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fiferboy	lbt: ping?	22:06
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coldboot	Thanks guys	22:07
coldboot	Didn't know that the changelog was scanned, I guess I remember that from a while ago now.	22:08
fiferboy	The debian/rules file for qt has a bunch of macros to generate the major/minor/patch numbers from somewhere in the code	22:08
fiferboy	But as long as you don't want that changed, adding some numbers to the debian/changelog should do it	22:09
coldboot	It's such a good way to distribute software.	22:09
javispedro	$ dpkg --compare-versions 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 gt 4.5.0-1maemo2 && echo "OK"	22:10
javispedro	OK	22:10
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rkirti	~lart git@garage for being so damn slow	22:16
* infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u git@garage' for being so damn slow		22:16
florian	hehe, that's a good one :)	22:16
rkirti	I wish I could put -20 there and make it faster	22:17
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xnt14	hmm	22:23
xnt14	~lart test@test because xnt14 is so bored	22:23
* infobot chops test@test because xnt14 is so bored in half with a free Solaris 7 CD		22:23
xnt14	LOL	22:23
xnt14	xDD	22:23
xnt14	~lart test ste ts	22:23
* infobot smacks test ste ts up side the head with a clue-by-4		22:23
xnt14	wtf	22:23
xnt14	lol	22:23
xnt14	~lart b-man16	22:24
* infobot installs PocketPC on b-man16's PDA		22:24
xnt14	xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD	22:24
xnt14	~lart b-man16	22:24
* infobot explains, ever so gently, that if b-man16 doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help		22:24
xnt14	~lart b-man16	22:24
xnt14	~lart boredom	22:24
* infobot judo chops boredom		22:24
xnt14	xDDDD	22:24
xnt14	ok ill stop	22:24
keesj	thanks!	22:25
* xnt14 glances at GA xD		22:25
* xnt14 gets back to tweaking flightgear		22:25
wazd	~burn himself	22:25
rkirti	hello keesj :-)	22:25
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze		22:26
lcuk	hah wazd, class	22:26
wazd	lcuk: good'ol joke :)	22:26
coldboot	wazd: Are wazd the keys you use in an FPS to move?	22:27
rkirti	poor dear infobot	22:27
wazd	coldboot: not really, it's an old story :)	22:27
xnt14	~behappy	22:27
xnt14	xD	22:27
lcuk	never enter irc drunk	22:27
xnt14	~cookie	22:27
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... oldtest ethanim... strong; valiant		22:27
xnt14	infobot, cookie	22:28
* infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... /maildir on your server... that your inbox?		22:28
xnt14	xDDD	22:28
xnt14	infobot, botcookie	22:28
lcuk	wazd, how can you have old stories and ol' jokes	22:28
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infobot	:-P	22:28
lcuk	you are a youngster	22:28
xnt14	lol	22:28
xnt14	ok w/e	22:28
lcuk	mind you, to xnt you are ancient	22:28
xnt14	lol	22:29
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xnt14	lol	22:30
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wazd	lcuk: well, not so young as I want :)	22:30
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lcuk	heh	22:30
lcuk	it never gets any better	22:30
wazd	when I first came to the internet I've chosen the most obvious and stupid nick - AZ :)	22:31
wazd	cause of Andrew Zhilin, you know :)	22:31
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lcuk	nahhh, qwerty has the most obvious	22:31
lcuk	surprisingly, he is only the 12th in the world!	22:31
* qwerty12_N810 bows		22:31
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coldboot	wazd: So why the w and d?	22:32
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wazd	lcuk: when I ran ICQ nickname search I got hundred billion results so I had to change it :)	22:32
qwerty12_N810	wicked-azz designer	22:32
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wazd	qwerty12_N810: no, zxcvb-90 :D	22:32
qwerty12_N810	hehe	22:33
xnt14	hmm	22:33
* xnt14 's first nick was wsa xDDD		22:33
wazd	coldboot: Well, as I'm a FPS addict, I thought it would be cool to combine wasd and my old nick :)	22:33
lcuk	ahhh i once knew an zxcb-89	22:33
xnt14	my initials	22:33
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coldboot	wazd: There we go, I knew that was part of it at least.	22:34
xnt14	lcuk, whats the story behind your nick?	22:34
amr	initial initial country?	22:34
lcuk	quite simple, i am liquidcoooled on slashdot. and i am in the uk	22:34
amr	pah, close	22:34
lcuk	i couldnt use big long name in irc	22:34
xnt14	nick :P	22:34
xnt14	*nice	22:34
lcuk	it would intefere with GeneralAntilles's	22:34
* xnt14 hates his keyboard		22:35
xnt14	amr, nope my full name	22:35
wazd	xnt14: well, thats a common typo :D	22:35
lcuk	i like my cheapy pc-line one	22:35
amr	mine is too	22:35
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xnt14	:P	22:35
amr	xnt14, i meant for lcuk	22:35
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xnt14	oh ok :P	22:35
amr	:)	22:35
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xnt14	hmmm.... http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/demos/photos.svg	22:36
wazd	storm's comming to Moscow	22:36
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xnt14	svg has scripting??? xD	22:36
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lcuk	i was just thinkin same	22:36
* xnt14 just noticed that his xps' proc is 64bit facepalm		22:36
lcuk	that would cripple itself with more no doubt	22:36
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lcuk	amr - it was meant to be temporary for me	22:37
xnt14	lol	22:37
lcuk	but its grown on me :)	22:37
xnt14	argh!!!	22:37
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xnt14	now I need to reinstall........	22:37
amr	:)	22:37
xnt14	hiya qole_323!	22:38
lcuk	so where are you from then amr	22:38
amr	im from leeds, uk :)	22:38
lcuk	so, the r is?	22:38
amr	forename, middlename, surname	22:39
qwerty12_N810	Vhat? Another northerner?	22:39
amr	from my days of 3 letter names on arcade machines	22:39
lcuk	heh	22:39
amr	i am the most un-northern you will ever encounter	22:39
amr	un-northern northerner*	22:39
lcuk	its ok, qwerty is a recovering northerner	22:39
lcuk	he goes to NA	22:39
amr	hahaha	22:39
lcuk	and not because he got caught with drugs	22:40
qwerty12_N810	amr: No, that's me :P (From the North; living in the South) :P	22:40
keesj	:q	22:40
keesj	:q!	22:40
amr	i'll be doing the same shortly!	22:40
qole_323	xnt14: hi... I'm trying to get help with Knots2, so I'm using penguinbait's IRC chat applet	22:40
amr	no one at uni could tell where i was from :<	22:40
xnt14	:)	22:40
lcuk	found in a box under the pool table in the augbeth arms!	22:40
qole_323	....but the #knots channel seems dead	22:40
* lcuk waves at qole \o		22:41
* qole_323 waves back at lcuk		22:42
* lcuk needs to go back to shiny stuff		22:42
xnt14	hmm	22:44
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lcuk	before i go, qole people were talking about their nicknames, where di yours come from	22:44
qole	I wanted a pronouncable, very short name that wouldn't be taken, so I tried a bunch of three and four letter nicks until I found qole.	22:46
lcuk	its certainly worked, so distinctive :) i thought for a while it was your actual name	22:46
qole	It is short, memorable, and unused (except for qole.com, which is a Japanese fortune-telling site?!)	22:46
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xnt14	:) lol	22:48
xnt14	btw qole, I noticed you used dreamhost ;)	22:49
Jaffa	yerga's WordPy vid does a good job of showing off Maemo 5 interactions	22:50
wazd	Jaffa: yep	22:50
wazd	Jaffa: Can't decide is it good or bad though :D	22:50
Jaffa	Hate the green	22:51
wazd	mmm, if lightning strikes are surrounding my house - should I worry?)	22:53
Jaffa	wazd: Pissed off any gods recently?	22:54
Jaffa	(specifically Thor)	22:54
Jaffa	Damn those Asgard	22:54
wazd	Jaffa: he was invited to my b-day party, so I don't think so :D	22:54
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qole	xnt14: yes, I use dreamhost. They seem great so far.	22:56
xnt14	:)	22:58
xnt14	so do I	22:58
xnt14	btw, I don't suggest upgrading to PS.........	22:58
xnt14	I've read some stories, very hard to go back to shared....	22:58
qole	PS?	22:59
xnt14	Private Server	22:59
qole	I've got a great deal, 2 years unlimited for $10, I used the Geocities deal to get the second year free	22:59
xnt14	:)	23:00
xnt14	I got the 44th president deal, prepaid for about $200 got 4 years ;)	23:01
xnt14	in four years I'll graduate highschool, then I'll probably get either mediatemple dv, or set up my own dedicated server....	23:02
qole	I'll stay with Dreamhost until they complain that there's sure a lot of bandwidth being used up on people downloading these 300MB image files...	23:03
xnt14	yeah.....	23:03
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lcuk	what the fuck was i thinking? (btw, forgive the spelling mistake, thats not the wtf)	23:07
lcuk	Canvass.ForeColor = 13158600 'RGB(200, 200, 200) ' replace rgb with constant value :)	23:07
lcuk	this is old code i just opened, last mod 2003	23:08
xnt14	lol	23:08
florian	hehe	23:09
* xnt14 makes stupid mistakes like that too :P		23:09
xnt14	musicbot: Mizuki Nana \| Ultimate Diamond: Etsuraku Camellia	23:10
lcuk	xnt14, thats not a mistake though	23:11
lcuk	thats a defined chosen path	23:11
lcuk	i was either on a major optimization cycle (or more likely) i wanted a specific color and couldnt be arsed to decode it from the value i had	23:12
lcuk	either way i had to do a double take	23:12
xnt14	oh :P	23:12
lcuk	florian, anything like that inside your codebase? :D	23:13
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florian	lcuk: I know I have alot of crap in my codebase... but nothing like this :)	23:16
* lcuk tkaes a bow		23:16
lcuk	:D wow	23:16
* lcuk takes a bow and spell checks it		23:17
lcuk	thats the first time ive needed to wtf myself	23:17
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MindMusic	Hey everyone... does anyone here use pymaemo with Geany? I'm stuck on hello world :P	23:22
MindMusic	all my python programs seem to open and close instantly...	23:23
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lcuk	MindMusic, wow cool - you must have one of the rare optimized nits	23:33
lcuk	mind, do your apps work if called directly	23:34
MindMusic	Hmmm... I'm a newb so I'm not even sure how to call them directly... I'm just getting started...	23:34
lcuk	you can usually run python apps by just opening a console window on the device (or with ssh) and just run python blah.py	23:36
MindMusic	yes... just tried... it DOES work :)	23:36
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lcuk	ok MindMusic theres a hint then lol, i dont know anything about geany tho, so wouldnt know why it doesnt run	23:38
MindMusic	do you know how come Geany closes it right away? Under Geany's Menu->Build->Set Includes and Arguments, Execute is set to -> python2.5 "%f"	23:39
MindMusic	ah... thanks for the tip.	23:39
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