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| derf | timeless: Just for you, since gcc 4.2 now lets me, I've disabled -Wparentheses via #pragma, so your build system can't possibly get it wrong. | 00:19 |
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| derf | RST38h: Un jour, tout le monde mougleras. | 00:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Later folks. | 00:28 |
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| NCommander | How do I switch the processor from ondemand mode to performance? (I can't find a clear guide on how to do so) | 00:30 |
| derf | echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor | 00:32 |
| RST38h | echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq | 00:32 |
| NCommander | derf, is that sticky, or do I need to shove it in an init script? | 00:32 |
| RST38h | /scaling_governor | 00:32 |
| derf | NCommander: No, it is not sticky. | 00:32 |
| RST38h | it's not sticky | 00:32 |
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| NCommander | I'm hoping this will decrease the BT keyboard lag :-/ | 00:35 |
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| RST38h | It will not | 00:36 |
| NCommander | :-/ | 00:37 |
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| RST38h | Vote on the bug instead and hope Nokia fixes it | 00:38 |
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| NCommander | RST38h, is the bug in the open bits or the closed bits? | 00:39 |
| * NCommander might take a whack at fixing it if its in the former | 00:39 | |
| RST38h | closed afaik, but as nobody from nokia has admitted they have a bug, there is no way to say | 00:40 |
| NCommander | Thats lovely | 00:40 |
| RST38h | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 | 00:40 |
| RST38h | See how many comments are there and it is still "uncomfirmed" | 00:41 |
| NCommander | Bah | 00:41 |
| NCommander | I assume that there is no way to downgrade an N810 to OS2007? | 00:41 |
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| RST38h | why? | 00:42 |
| NCommander | OS2007 is unaffected | 00:42 |
| NCommander | (based on Google) | 00:43 |
| RST38h | ah | 00:43 |
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| NCommander | I just wish Maemo was fully free | 00:46 |
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| RST38h | "free" does not guarantee anyone working on it | 00:56 |
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| ShadowJK_ | anyone tried to kill the bluetooth powersavigng modes to see if keyboard latency improves? | 00:57 |
| RST38h | How do you do it? | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK_ | unless hciconfig can (really) do it, I guess you prod hcid with magic commands over dbus | 00:58 |
| RST38h | ah holy shit...magic dbus commands... | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK_ | ah nm people report it with usb keyboards too | 01:03 |
| fireun | RST38h: "open" | 01:04 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Yes, it looks more like some problem in the event processing | 01:04 |
| RST38h | http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-882 | 01:06 |
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| lopz | hola | 01:21 |
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| Macer | hm. need to set up an httpd | 01:38 |
| Macer | blah | 01:38 |
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| Shadow__X | i am having trouble getting bluemaemo working any ideas | 03:14 |
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| Shadow__X | i scan for my n810 in linux using hcitool scan | 03:24 |
| Shadow__X | it finds it then i do hidd -connect mac address | 03:24 |
| Shadow__X | and it says host is down | 03:24 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone? | 03:28 |
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| Shadow__X | someone? | 03:30 |
| Shadow__X | bluemaemo | 03:30 |
| Shadow__X | ? | 03:30 |
| Shadow__X | qwerty12_N800, you there | 03:32 |
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| Shadow__X | anyone use bluemaemo? | 03:48 |
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| lcuk | i expect vdvsx does | 03:50 |
| Shadow__X | they arent here apparently i am having more issues with bluetooth on ubuntu then on the device | 03:51 |
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| AndrewFBlack | head hurts from working on new minimalist theme | 03:59 |
| fireun | not enough sugar | 03:59 |
| AndrewFBlack | to much code to looki at | 03:59 |
| AndrewFBlack | but its coming together fast | 04:00 |
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| fireun | I need to start coding more | 04:02 |
| fireun | but I'm used to embedded systems, all this ui stuff gives me headaches (: | 04:02 |
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| Macer | hm | 04:13 |
| Macer | trying to find state law regarding shooting someone to death someone breaking into your house :) | 04:14 |
| Shadow__X | texas | 04:14 |
| Macer | illinois | 04:14 |
| Shadow__X | texas you can do it | 04:14 |
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| Macer | is that the only place? :) | 04:16 |
| Macer | i can't find illinois law regarding something like that happening | 04:17 |
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| Macer | http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+7&ActID=1876&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B5%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&SectionID=60595&SeqStart=7800000&SeqEnd=9300000&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961. | 04:21 |
| Macer | there it is :) | 04:21 |
| Macer | man you just have to love the internet sometimes | 04:21 |
| Macer | something like that would have taken forever at a library | 04:21 |
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| Macer | hm | 04:26 |
| Macer | that law is vague though | 04:26 |
| Macer | i was wondering if you can shoot someone trying to steal your car in IL :) | 04:26 |
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| Shadow__X | hmm one way to find out is do it | 04:26 |
| Macer | well. i just always wondered | 04:27 |
| Macer | although the law seems rather clear that use of force to protect property from felony (theft) is allowed | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | high swappage kills wifi :/ | 04:41 |
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| Shadow__X | i got bluemaemo working | 04:47 |
| Shadow__X | its awesome | 04:47 |
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| Macer | ok. the southpark about pirates is funny | 05:06 |
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| Macer | hitler designed absolutely awesome flat towers | 05:36 |
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| fireun | flat | 05:45 |
| fireun | towers | 05:45 |
| fireun | flat. | 05:45 |
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| Bobbe | u mean these? http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/05/strange-towers-of-third-reich.html | 05:49 |
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| alex_mayorga_N80 | hello | 06:16 |
| alex_mayorga_N80 | can anyone help? my n800 is "talking" | 06:17 |
| alex_mayorga_N80 | I installed kde and there seems to be some text to speech going on | 06:18 |
| alex_mayorga_N80 | how can I stop it? | 06:18 |
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| alex_mayorga_N80 | what can it be? | 06:27 |
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| Snaht | are the back/home buttons on the n810 supposed to be backlit? | 06:33 |
| xnt_ | Nope | 06:33 |
| xnt_ | they aren't | 06:34 |
| Snaht | cool, then it's not broken | 06:34 |
| xnt_ | :) | 06:34 |
| Snaht | hooray for non-broken stuff | 06:34 |
| Snaht | thanks | 06:34 |
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| alex_mayorga_N80 | I finally figured out what made my n800 talk flite on Mauku | 06:58 |
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| luke-jr | any place to download qt mapper source that isn't https? | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | or at least one with a curl-happy cert? | 07:30 |
| zakkm | cant use https? | 07:30 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: try with taking the s out | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | it redirects | 07:32 |
| zakkm | oh | 07:32 |
| zakkm | worth a try :) | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: wget doesn't like garage's https cert | 07:32 |
| zakkm | cant think of what i did to go around that | 07:33 |
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| cars__ | Hello. | 07:47 |
| radic | why is the cache of the browser disabled by default? | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | probably to minimize flash writes | 07:51 |
| slonopotamus | worse :) browser doesn't have on-disk cache at all | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | ö | 07:52 |
| radic | luke-jr: why should the amount of flashe writes keept low? | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | radic: because flash has a limited amount of writes before it dies | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | this is why I use internal flash as a rescue livecd :D | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | and put my real OS on a removable/replacable card | 07:53 |
| slonopotamus | everything has limited amout of writes before it dies | 07:54 |
| radic | slonopotamus: look at about:config | 07:54 |
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| slonopotamus | radic, and? | 07:54 |
| radic | slonopotamus: there you can enable the cach | 07:55 |
| slonopotamus | you want to tell me about browser.cache.disk.enable ? | 07:55 |
| radic | +e | 07:55 |
| radic | slonopotamus: right | 07:55 |
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| slonopotamus | radic, well... set it to true and tell me what changed | 07:56 |
| radic | I think a symlink to a cache-dir on my sd-card is a good idea | 07:57 |
| radic | slonopotamus: the pages are loaded faster | 07:57 |
| slonopotamus | radic, okay, and where are they stored? | 07:57 |
| radic | i think on the internal flashe | 07:58 |
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| slonopotamus | do not guess, check it :) | 07:59 |
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| slonopotamus | correct answer is: microb doesn't store pages in disk cache at all :) | 08:02 |
| tank-man | its cached on the server on the other side of the internet :) | 08:03 |
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| RST38h | there is a big boss on the other side of the internet | 08:07 |
| RST38h | you need to beat him to get out | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | i c | 08:07 |
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| LiraNuna | what does the full screen button corresponds to in a keyboard? F11? | 08:21 |
| tank-man | f6 | 08:21 |
| LiraNuna | any reason behind it? (just curious) | 08:23 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 08:23 | |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: probably easy implementation | 08:24 |
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| LiraNuna | how can I get 24h clock in N810W? | 09:16 |
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| zakkm | liranuna: give me a sec, let me check | 09:17 |
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| zakkm | LiraNuna: dont believe you can, just double checking | 09:18 |
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| LiraNuna | zakkm, are you serious? | 09:18 |
| zakkm | is there a reason you would need? | 09:18 |
| LiraNuna | I dislike the AM/PM system? | 09:19 |
| zakkm | im no expert, but as far as i know you cant, and im looknig through now trying to find 24h | 09:19 |
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| luke-jr | I dislike the 24 hour system | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | give me 16 hex-hour days -.- | 09:20 |
| LiraNuna | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 says fix | 09:20 |
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| zakkm | Quoting the UI designer: "In Fremantle there will be a GCONF value for the time | 09:21 |
| zakkm | display setting that apps can read." | 09:21 |
| zakkm | LiraNuna: that means the next version of maemo, in like summertime will support 24h | 09:21 |
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| LiraNuna | next version of maemo won't run on N8x0 though | 09:23 |
| slonopotamus | LiraNuna, time to look at other distros for your tablet :) | 09:25 |
| zakkm | exactly, so its up to mer, but according to that, right now there is no way to have 12h. | 09:25 |
| zakkm | ahh 24h | 09:25 |
| zakkm | even though it says fix, it doesnt necessary mean fixed | 09:25 |
| LiraNuna | slonopotamus, I know, mer doesn't look too good atm (I know it's alpha) | 09:26 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: how goes gentoo? | 09:26 |
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| zakkm | LiraNuna: its not so much that mer doesnt look too good, its the window manager/UI i would say | 09:26 |
| qwerty12_N800 | Doesn't that bug say that you can change the locale (or rebuild posix-locales) too? | 09:26 |
| LiraNuna | I'm not a fan of hildon at all, tbh | 09:26 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N800: i must of missed that, but even if you did, locale doesnt control 24h/12h does it? | 09:27 |
| LiraNuna | N810 has so much potential, and most of the HW is closed source.. | 09:27 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N800: that would also mean that the clock applet and stuff would have to show in 24h too | 09:27 |
| zakkm | qwerty12_N800: locale might only make "date" show 24h | 09:27 |
| qwerty12_N800 | zakkm: it does. LC_Time var. and all | 09:27 |
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| zakkm | qwerty12_N800: let me read it again, seems alot of people commented | 09:28 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, perfect :) i got on-screen keyboard :) | 09:28 |
| qwerty12_N800 | large statusbar clock has an option for 12hr mode, independent of locale | 09:28 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: how nice? :D | 09:28 |
| radic | qwerty12_N800: is for os2008 a replacement for the volumecontrole available? | 09:28 |
| zakkm | whats wrong with volume control? | 09:28 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, a little quirky, but definitely usable | 09:29 |
| qwerty12_N800 | radic: advanced-backlight? | 09:29 |
| zakkm | is the tablet running alsa? | 09:29 |
| zakkm | or oss? | 09:29 |
| slonopotamus | alsa | 09:29 |
| slonopotamus | forget oss | 09:29 |
| slonopotamus | it's history :) | 09:29 |
| zakkm | there could be alsamixer then , if you want more volume controls | 09:29 |
| zakkm | like more specifics | 09:29 |
| zakkm | havent used my tablet in like days before like 10min ago ;p | 09:30 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: what WM/DE you got setup? | 09:30 |
| radic | qwerty12_N800: with that i couldn't control the recording volume | 09:30 |
| zakkm | radic: you see if alsamixer is on the tablet? | 09:30 |
| zakkm | run from terminal | 09:30 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, gnome for me, luke-jr installed kde-4.2 on his n810 | 09:30 |
| LiraNuna | do you think Nokia will deliver OpenGL ES drivers for N8x0 ? | 09:30 |
| zakkm | never :P | 09:30 |
| LiraNuna | as in, with Maemo 5.0 ? | 09:30 |
| zakkm | maemo 5 is different hardware | 09:31 |
| zakkm | that will have opengl drivers | 09:31 |
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| zakkm | but the n8x0 / nonmaemo 5 . .wont i think | 09:31 |
| LiraNuna | no schedule released, eh? | 09:31 |
| zakkm | summer i think? | 09:31 |
| zakkm | around | 09:31 |
| locutus | why did Nokia never do GL drivers for the 810 anyway? | 09:31 |
| LiraNuna | locutus, "licensing issues" as far as I read | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: quim's talking to TI this month about mbx drivers | 09:31 |
| locutus | LiraNuna: meh | 09:32 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: did gnome run okay, do you think kde4 did? that would seem so slow | 09:32 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, "talking" in what way? | 09:32 |
| LiraNuna | can we make "donations" | 09:32 |
| zakkm | there was a forum post on that | 09:32 |
| zakkm | whats it going to take to get opengl drivers | 09:32 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, gnome speed is comparable to hildon. a little bit slower, but i didn't perform any optimizations yet. | 09:32 |
| LiraNuna | bribe | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: as in they're still trying to get drivers for n8x0 | 09:32 |
| * slonopotamus needs to record some videos | 09:32 | |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: seems weird on a tablet though, too small and such | 09:33 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, can we donate? (read as bribe) | 09:33 |
| konttori_ | Stskeeps, that would be great | 09:33 |
| zakkm | Stskeeps: wouldnt that give a huge speed boost in a way, bring for way more things ? | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: KDE 4 isn't running ok | 09:33 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, better than all that 'hildonization' crap | 09:33 |
| konttori_ | I've seen the opengl perf on the n810 and it's actually pretty cool | 09:33 |
| konttori_ | only thing is tearing which won't disappear | 09:33 |
| zakkm | i want to run fvwm-crystal on tablet i think :D | 09:34 |
| LiraNuna | iPhone uses the same chipset | 09:34 |
| StsN800 | zakkm, we'll see | 09:34 |
| LiraNuna | it got a PowerVR MBX (lite) | 09:34 |
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| StsN800 | LiraNuna, http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28548&highlight=acceleration | 09:34 |
| LiraNuna | the iphone version 1.1.3 has AppleMBX.kext but that got removed on 2.0 | 09:34 |
| zakkm | theorically speaking though | 09:34 |
| slonopotamus | zakkm, i don't have manpower to hildonize each & every app i want to use | 09:34 |
| zakkm | X running off 3d support drivers , rather than what i guess is very software rendered | 09:35 |
| LiraNuna | there's also 2D accel, no? | 09:35 |
| StsN800 | slonopotamus, we are working on autohildonization too though | 09:35 |
| zakkm | yeah i was about to say | 09:35 |
| zakkm | 4 years of maemo? and no autohildonizations by now? | 09:36 |
| LiraNuna | what's "Freemantle" | 09:36 |
| zakkm | maemo 5 | 09:36 |
| zakkm | is called fremantle | 09:36 |
| * luke-jr is working on anti-hildonization? ;) | 09:36 | |
| tank-man | freeeee | 09:36 |
| StsN800 | zakkm, maemo had other focus | 09:36 |
| slonopotamus | StsN800, when you show me hildon running on stock gtk, i'll install ubuntu instead of gentoo on all my machines :) | 09:36 |
| LiraNuna | zakkm, thanks | 09:36 |
| slonopotamus | i mean running correctly | 09:36 |
| StsN800 | slonopotamus, see ubuntu mobile | 09:37 |
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| zakkm | theres hildon-desktop x86 and such? | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: traitor! :< | 09:37 |
| zakkm | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/x11/hildon-desktop | 09:37 |
| StsN800 | their mid is hildon on top of stock gtk | 09:37 |
| zakkm | yoo guys | 09:37 |
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| StsN800 | time to install ubuntu, slonopotamus. | 09:37 |
| zakkm | i got a SD adapter stuck in the removable sd slot | 09:37 |
| zakkm | and i cant take it out :( | 09:38 |
| StsN800 | tweezer | 09:38 |
| zakkm | theres no secret way? | 09:38 |
| StsN800 | and take out battery | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | I want Hildon-like panel in Qt4 :x | 09:38 |
| * slonopotamus looks at his tablet, compares it to http://www.ubuntu.com/files/u1/html-small.jpg and doesn't see any similar parts | 09:38 | |
| zakkm | take out battery? what would that do | 09:38 |
| zakkm | any similar parts? joking right? :P | 09:39 |
| StsN800 | zakkm, avoid shorting stuff | 09:39 |
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| StsN800 | slonopotamus, debian runs hildon on top of stock gtk too | 09:39 |
| slonopotamus | right-click support? | 09:40 |
| StsN800 | maybe with gtkstylus. who knows | 09:40 |
| radic_ | Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Sat May 2 16:04:00 CEST 2009 armv6l unknown | 09:40 |
| StsN800 | still, time to install ubuntu.;) | 09:41 |
| radic_ | i thought it's omap2, not 1?! | 09:41 |
| zakkm | no | 09:42 |
| zakkm | its not omap1 .. the way you think | 09:42 |
| LiraNuna | so we're stuck at 2.6.21? | 09:42 |
| zakkm | radic: its like 2.6.21-omap .. build 1 | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 09:42 |
| zakkm | radic: not omap1 kernel | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: I want to get 2.6.30-omap1 working | 09:42 |
| zakkm | i think :D | 09:42 |
| zakkm | wow | 09:42 |
| zakkm | its at 30? | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: it's not released yet ;p | 09:43 |
| LiraNuna | luke-jr, what about closed source drivers? | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | but 2.6.30 saw p54spi+omapfb+omap-alsa hit mainline | 09:43 |
| LiraNuna | :O | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: closed source drivers are not legal in Linux kernel land, so non-existent here :p | 09:43 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: hows battery life, on gentoo tablet? | 09:43 |
| LiraNuna | were still using them | 09:43 |
| LiraNuna | sound, wifi are closed | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | so in theory 2.6.30 mainline should handle wifi+display+sound | 09:43 |
| Meiz_n810 | LiraNuna not wifi | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | at least | 09:44 |
| LiraNuna | wifi got opened? | 09:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | there's an open driver too | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | Meiz_n810: two | 09:44 |
| Meiz_n810 | i think | 09:44 |
| radic_ | luke-jr: can the kernelsources from kernel.org be compiled for omap1? | 09:44 |
| LiraNuna | okay my bad | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | radic_: omap is a branch, per definition | 09:44 |
| zakkm | radic_: need a kernel diff | 09:44 |
| * LiraNuna is still a newbie in the community | 09:44 | |
| LiraNuna | got my N810W a week ago | 09:44 |
| zakkm | sweet :D | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | W? | 09:44 |
| zakkm | how much, curious :) | 09:44 |
| LiraNuna | WiMAX | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | I thought those were stopped production O.o | 09:45 |
| LiraNuna | yeah :D | 09:45 |
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| zakkm | cheap? | 09:45 |
| LiraNuna | 470$ | 09:45 |
| LiraNuna | new in box sealed | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | why? | 09:46 |
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| LiraNuna | because SF is getting 2.5GHz WiMAX in ~6 months | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | WiMAX is worth $270 to you? | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | i c | 09:46 |
| zakkm | whatt | 09:46 |
| zakkm | n810 is worth $200? | 09:46 |
| LiraNuna | yes | 09:46 |
| LiraNuna | 210$ | 09:46 |
| LiraNuna | last time I checked | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: that's what i got mine for | 09:46 |
| zakkm | damnn | 09:46 |
| zakkm | i should sell my n800 and buy a n810 | 09:47 |
| slonopotamus | StsN800, please don't call a thing with 2.6mb patch "stock gtk". | 09:47 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858618003&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Ultra+Mobile+PC-_-Nokia-_-58618003 | 09:47 |
| slonopotamus | and grepping http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0_2.16.1-0ubuntu2.diff.gz for "hildon" shows up many interesting results. | 09:47 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: hildon isnt just for the tablet. | 09:47 |
| slonopotamus | damn, that's 10% of all gtk patched | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | HAHAHA | 09:48 |
| LiraNuna | anyone knows if we can get webkit+V8 working ? | 09:48 |
| zakkm | can the tablet run ubuntu mid? :P | 09:48 |
| slonopotamus | ++#ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES | 09:48 |
| zakkm | LiraNuna: Use Tear browser. | 09:48 |
| LiraNuna | V8 has an ARM6 port, it does javascript dynarec | 09:48 |
| slonopotamus | perfect | 09:48 |
| LiraNuna | zakkm, tear? | 09:49 |
| zakkm | LiraNuna: webkit browser, designed just for tablet, by bundyo | 09:49 |
| LiraNuna | what about JS? does it use V8? | 09:49 |
| zakkm | http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=281889#post281889 | 09:49 |
| zakkm | no idea, but in maemo, its the best your get | 09:49 |
| LiraNuna | http://code.google.com/p/v8/ | 09:49 |
| zakkm | could use firefox mobile? | 09:49 |
| LiraNuna | ARM :) | 09:49 |
| zakkm | i know what v8 is | 09:50 |
| zakkm | but im thinking towards tablet | 09:50 |
| LiraNuna | teblet got ARM | 09:50 |
| zakkm | v8 isnt that fast? | 09:50 |
| zakkm | newest webkit beats it i believe | 09:50 |
| LiraNuna | V8 is a dynamic recompiler | 09:50 |
| LiraNuna | oh wow, really? | 09:50 |
| LiraNuna | does it dynarec? | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: even on ARM? | 09:50 |
| zakkm | im thinking x86 | 09:51 |
| LiraNuna | V8 does dynamic recompilation on ARM | 09:51 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, what's so funny? | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | I don't like x86 ;p | 09:51 |
| zakkm | x86_64 . | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: nothing? | 09:52 |
| zakkm | lol what tablet do you use? :P | 09:52 |
| slonopotamus | <luke-jr> HAHAHA | 09:52 |
| zakkm | ahh | 09:52 |
| zakkm | desktop | 09:52 |
| slonopotamus | :) | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | [01:48:04] <slonopotamus> damn, that's 10% of all gtk patched | 09:52 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, well... i had to protect gentoo :) | 09:52 |
| zakkm | lol | 09:52 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: you try fvwm-crystal on it? | 09:52 |
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| slonopotamus | still, 2.6mb patch is insane. the whole app i'm currently developing @ work is less :) | 09:53 |
| zakkm | if i had n810, gentoo would seem cool but i dont ;p | 09:53 |
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| slonopotamus | zakkm, wtf is fvwm-crystal? | 09:53 |
| slonopotamus | googling | 09:53 |
| LiraNuna | http://sideshowbarker.net/2009/04/02/webkit-arm-jit/ < okay, nvm | 09:53 |
| zakkm | transparent fvwm desktop | 09:54 |
| zakkm | window manager based on fvwm | 09:54 |
| zakkm | http://www.fvwm-crystal.org/screenshots/wallpapers.jpg | 09:54 |
| zakkm | much customizable | 09:54 |
| slonopotamus | won't software transparency be slow? | 09:54 |
| zakkm | its lighter than fluxbox | 09:54 |
| zakkm | dont know about disk usage, cause it pulls in alot of stuff | 09:55 |
| zakkm | but system resources its less | 09:55 |
| zakkm | got my tablet wanting to put that on ;p | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | We did measurements on a Nokia N810, and we gained 13% performance improvement. The memory consumption is increased by 3.3% which is a small trade-off for this performance improvement. | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | FAIL | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | memory is FAR more important IMOP | 09:55 |
| luke-jr | IMO* | 09:55 |
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| slonopotamus | disk usage isn't a problem. | 09:55 |
| zakkm | luke-jr: of what? | 09:55 |
| zakkm | slonopotamus: it has mpd/xmms builtin, uses rox-filer for file browser | 09:56 |
| thux | morning | 09:57 |
| luke-jr | zakkm: WebKit ARM JIT | 09:57 |
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| zakkm | ;p | 09:57 |
| LiraNuna | luke-jr, memory increased by 3%, this isn't a lot | 09:58 |
| LiraNuna | assuming this is for code execution buffers | 09:58 |
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| luke-jr | LiraNuna: the N810 is already very short on memory | 09:59 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: I'm seriously considering getting compcache (memory compression) on it | 09:59 |
| LiraNuna | how short? | 09:59 |
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| LiraNuna | deblet with gnome used 77MB | 10:00 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo with KDE 4.2 is pushing it | 10:00 |
| luke-jr | if I run Marble, I'm pretty sure I go over | 10:00 |
| zakkm | wow not bad | 10:00 |
| zakkm | 77mb? | 10:00 |
| LiraNuna | zakkm, that's what it reported | 10:00 |
| qwerty12 | luke-jr: compcache has been done and the tablet likes to restart with it runnning | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | s/runnning/running/ | 10:01 |
| infobot | qwerty12 meant: luke-jr: compcache has been done and the tablet likes to restart with it running | 10:01 |
| zakkm | compcache crashes it. | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | qwerty12: oh, interesting | 10:01 |
| LiraNuna | that was a special gnome with 'stripped down' environment | 10:01 |
| zakkm | qwerty12: was that just maemo though, or was it tried in mer? | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | I suspect latest kernel+compcache may help | 10:01 |
| qwerty12 | zakkm: doesn't matter, it's a kernel problem | 10:01 |
| LiraNuna | but had totem, nm-applet, file-roller, gedit, evince... | 10:01 |
| LiraNuna | I had to optimize the panels, since some of the applets such as trash-applet take 4.4MB for nothing | 10:02 |
| LiraNuna | so I just replaced it with a launcher to trash:// :D | 10:02 |
| luke-jr | XD | 10:02 |
| LiraNuna | which now took a good 4k memory :) | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | so, uh | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | did you see one of those SmartQ 5 MIDs? | 10:03 |
| zakkm | liranuna: kill gnome panel .. and run xfce-panel .. would use less :P | 10:03 |
| LiraNuna | zakkm, 77MB was nice | 10:03 |
| zakkm | or even lxde panel | 10:03 |
| LiraNuna | my problem was wireless not working | 10:03 |
| LiraNuna | nm-applet says no networks found | 10:03 |
| zakkm | deblet is really old though ; | 10:03 |
| LiraNuna | I know | 10:04 |
| LiraNuna | still works | 10:04 |
| zakkm | thought you just got your tablet? | 10:04 |
| zakkm | you recently tried deblet? | 10:04 |
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| LiraNuna | a week ago | 10:04 |
| zakkm | mer would of performed better :P | 10:04 |
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| zakkm | or ubuntu n8x0 | 10:04 |
| LiraNuna | zakkm, mer performed horribly slow compared to gnome | 10:04 |
| zakkm | no | 10:05 |
| zakkm | install mer, than apt-get gnome | 10:05 |
| LiraNuna | gnome was nice and fast, almost as fast as hildon | 10:05 |
| LiraNuna | zakkm, I believe Stskeeps said it's problematic | 10:05 |
| zakkm | cant be worse than deblet, i would think | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | zakkm: some GTK conflicts | 10:05 |
| zakkm | from patched gtk? | 10:06 |
| zakkm | but then how does b-man do it? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | he doesn't pin mer on top | 10:06 |
| LiraNuna | I want to try ubuntu | 10:06 |
| LiraNuna | but I don't have my miniSD adapter yet | 10:06 |
| zakkm | n810's are cool :D | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | my fiancee tells me the exact same box as http://kamleung.com/goodies/q5/index.html is waiting for me at home | 10:07 |
| zakkm | fremantle beta ui/theme looks so cool :D | 10:07 |
| zakkm | nothing aganist your fiancee, but shes lying stskeeps :D | 10:08 |
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| LiraNuna | haha | 10:11 |
| LiraNuna | hmm, unable to install libidn11 - incompatible application package | 10:12 |
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| LiraNuna | does the N8x0 have HFPU or GCC's vFPU? | 10:15 |
| slonopotamus | LiraNuna, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/cflags | 10:16 |
| LiraNuna | VFP \o/ | 10:17 |
| LiraNuna | I'm used to weak ARMs | 10:17 |
| LiraNuna | ARM7TDMI, ARM9v5STE | 10:17 |
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| LiraNuna | "However, there are rumours that some programs break with -Os" only if you don't use volatile in the right way | 10:18 |
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| qwerty12 | slonopotamus: march can also be set to arm1136jf-s and I also tend to use -mfloat-abi=softfp too | 10:19 |
| LiraNuna | soft? | 10:20 |
| LiraNuna | if you use softfp, have -ffast-math as well | 10:20 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: softfp is an ABI, not actual software ;) | 10:22 |
| LiraNuna | sorry, I'm used to lower-level ARM development | 10:24 |
| LiraNuna | like manipulating the ARM's MPU for dynarec emulation of lower level ARMs | 10:26 |
| LiraNuna | funtimes | 10:26 |
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| wazd | Hello maemo | 10:33 |
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| slonopotamus | qwerty12, -mfloat-abi=softfp doesn't have any visible effect | 10:37 |
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| slonopotamus | qwerty12, march can, but will it change anything actually? | 10:38 |
| qwerty12 | If you're only targeting the N8x0, I can't see it hurting anything | 10:39 |
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| LiraNuna | holy shi- Tear is so friggin fast | 10:45 |
| LiraNuna | only thing stopping it is the LCD rendering | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 10:45 |
| LiraNuna | now how do I get adblock for it? :D | 10:47 |
| LiraNuna | holy shi- it also supports flash | 10:48 |
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| LiraNuna | where's the dude[s] that created this and how can I donate him[them] | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | Bundyo | 10:50 |
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| zakkm | LiraNuna: hosts file would be better than adblock , performance wise | 10:53 |
| LiraNuna | hmm | 10:54 |
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| LiraNuna | zakkm, thanks, I didn't thought of that | 10:54 |
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| LiraNuna | I need to mesh the touchscreen for flash to work, hehe | 10:57 |
| zakkm | LiraNuna: i suggest adding qole's repository, so you can use application manager to update tear + libwebkit | 10:58 |
| zakkm | and get notified of updates | 10:58 |
| LiraNuna | it's not in extras-devel? | 10:58 |
| zakkm | no | 10:59 |
| zakkm | not that i know of? | 10:59 |
| zakkm | is it? | 10:59 |
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| LiraNuna | what's the repo link? | 10:59 |
| zakkm | LiraNuna: goto http://qole.maemobox.org/ | 11:00 |
| zakkm | it will tell you | 11:00 |
| LiraNuna | ty | 11:00 |
| zakkm | LiraNuna: going to bed, :D have class in just over 5 hours, still in highschool | 11:03 |
| zakkm | have fun with Tear and maemo learning :) | 11:03 |
| LiraNuna | thanks for your help | 11:03 |
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| * Meiz_n810 wonders what the hell is wrong with us (Finnish people) O_O http://www.google.com/trends?q=goatse&ctab=1986094119&geo=all&date=ytd | 11:04 | |
| LiraNuna | you obviously love it | 11:05 |
| glass | Meiz_n810: well, a lot. + goatse is a bucket of fun | 11:05 |
| LiraNuna | don't forget, google is your best friend - if you ask it for goat sex, it'll ask "are the goats on fire?" | 11:05 |
| locutus | LiraNuna: it offers me no such thing :-( | 11:06 |
| qwerty12 | Meiz_n810: goatse is jokes | 11:06 |
| jeremiah_ | Meiz_n810: I won't click on anything with 'goatse' in the link. Scary. | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | morning jeremiah_ :) | 11:07 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Hello Sir Stskeeps! | 11:08 |
| jeremiah_ | How is life in beautiful Denmark? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: i received http://kamleung.com/goodies/q5/index.html , one of these boxes today :) | 11:09 |
| jeremiah_ | Hot form the oven?! :) | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | from i think they meant :) | 11:10 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Does it run Mer? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: it will.. :) | 11:10 |
| jeremiah_ | heh | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically a slightly faster n800 | 11:11 |
| jeremiah_ | Keep on rockin' Stskeeps! | 11:11 |
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| Stskeeps | and the company is donating two of those to the project and 10 developer rebates, they already run ubuntu so | 11:11 |
| jeremiah_ | Hmmm - Are all the developer rebates spoken for? =) | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | not yet, there's no formal process set up | 11:12 |
| jeremiah_ | Are they really the size of a business card? | 11:12 |
| jeremiah_ | That is tiny. | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | nah, bigger | 11:12 |
| jjo | even the full price doesn't seem too bad | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | i would get a nokia for the quality obviously | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | but if i need some random tablet around the house, i'd go for a cheap one | 11:13 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Of course. And for the community. :P | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | and for people liking to experiment it has a capacitive screen | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | and runs ubuntu already | 11:14 |
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| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Interesting that they chose Ubuntu, I wonder why. | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: no need for a sw department? | 11:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: And what are the practical benefits of a capacative screen? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: multitouch for instance afai | 11:15 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: I mean Ubuntu versus debian. | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | more user friendly? :P | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, good question | 11:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Yeah, maybe that is what they thought. | 11:16 |
| jeremiah_ | Maybe they think Ubuntu is more popular. | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | or better chinese support | 11:17 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: It would be really interesting to find out - if you ever speak to them, ask them why Ubuntu and not Debian. Though I am sure that might not be the first thing on your list. :) | 11:17 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, how big are they? | 11:17 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Debian is known for its excellent internationalization. | 11:17 |
| jeremiah_ | In fact, debian is available in Mongolian and other languages. | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: http://www.slashgear.com/smartq-5-mid-specs-photos-emerge-just-132-2639014/ | 11:17 |
| jeremiah_ | So I doubt they chose Ubuntu over Debian because of Chinese language support, but maybe. | 11:18 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Does it do any type of telephony? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: not a phone, it's a tablet | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a competitor for rx-51 for sure | 11:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: And does it have proprietary blobs? | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: only video codecs as far as i can tell, and libertas wifi firmware | 11:19 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Wow - pretty open. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | but nothing that is required to use it | 11:20 |
| jeremiah_ | cool. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: they'll publish HW design and source code soon they said | 11:20 |
| jeremiah_ | Really!? | 11:20 |
| jeremiah_ | Amazing. | 11:20 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: That will generate some interest if they follow through. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | they just might | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | btw, he commented something i didn't hear of before: I have just noticed companies like Marvell choose maemo as | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | their MID/Netbook reference design. | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | is this anything heard about? | 11:21 |
| LiraNuna | how different is this one from the N800? | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: no dpad, no buttons than the ones above, bigger battery | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | more internal flash | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | SD slot | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | capacitive screen | 11:22 |
| LiraNuna | what about chipsets? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | samsung armv5 it seems | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:22 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: Do you mean have I heard anything about companies using Maemo as their reference design? No - they keep me in the dark. :) | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | jeremiah_: ah, if anyone heard | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't been able to find anything about it, so it might be an internal chinese thing :) | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: http://www.slashgear.com/smartq-5-mid-gets-reviewed-let-down-by-poor-cpu-0640122/ has video | 11:24 |
| LiraNuna | "but there’s no Flash or YouTube support" we can fix it right? :) | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | now that's a rather murky area and i don't want to give an answer to that :P | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | gnash should work? :P | 11:25 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: That will be a PITA. | 11:25 |
| LiraNuna | how's Nxx0 flash player different? | 11:26 |
| LiraNuna | it's a browser plugin, right? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, and tied to maemo sortof :P | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | also, we can't legally copy that :> | 11:26 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: Well, you are starting off with a different CPU. | 11:26 |
| LiraNuna | jeremiah_, it's still ARM, we can patch the binary ;P | 11:27 |
| LiraNuna | I know it's 'illegal' but are they REALLY gonna chase us? | 11:27 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: I doubt they well chase you, they might even like it. :) | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: adobe would probably. | 11:28 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: But how much official support will you get? | 11:28 |
| jeremiah_ | I mean, you can hack your machine all you want, but you won't be able to distribute. | 11:28 |
| jeremiah_ | So what's the point? | 11:28 |
| LiraNuna | how much official support does the N series get? none | 11:28 |
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| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: Nokia supports the maemo community in a huge way. | 11:28 |
| jeremiah_ | They get it. | 11:29 |
| jeremiah_ | Sure you may feel it could be more open | 11:29 |
| jeremiah_ | but they are bound by agreements that already exist in the marketplace | 11:29 |
| jeremiah_ | That they cannot change | 11:29 |
| LiraNuna | I'm new, so I don't really know | 11:29 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: :) | 11:29 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: No biggie - you raise important issues. | 11:29 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: And I apologize if I sound critical, I don't mean to. | 11:30 |
| lbt | LiraNuna: but they have stated that there will be no more 'official' releases of anything for the N8x0s | 11:30 |
| lbt | (you only got a tablet a few days ago didn't you?) | 11:30 |
| LiraNuna | so, that means flash support is deprecated | 11:30 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: But you don't really expect to spend all that money supporting an EOL product do you? | 11:31 |
| jeremiah_ | No other company does that. | 11:31 |
| LiraNuna | meaning we can do stuff with it and they shouldn't really move anything | 11:31 |
| LiraNuna | lbt, last week | 11:31 |
| lbt | jeremiah_ they still sell them ... I expect them to support products they sell | 11:31 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: You have a point. | 11:31 |
| lbt | and I expect them to be supported for a year after they stop selling them | 11:31 |
| lbt | look at LiraNuna ... tablet less than a week old and it's "EOL"... tough | 11:32 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: Yeah. Not good. | 11:32 |
| lbt | so, tbh, it could be better | 11:32 |
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| lbt | I have an old Nokia phone, the new sync SW still supports it | 11:33 |
| LiraNuna | lbt, I know the WiMAX edition is EOL | 11:33 |
| LiraNuna | someone here said before that 2.6.30 kernel is possible | 11:33 |
| lbt | LiraNuna: nevertheless... it's brand new and I think you're entitled to expect that bug fixes will be at least looked at for a reasonable duration | 11:34 |
| LiraNuna | lbt, of course, but I don't really think Adobe will bother | 11:34 |
| lbt | however a bug report against an N8x0 is met with "WONTFIX" ... eol | 11:34 |
| LiraNuna | heh | 11:34 |
| lbt | so my N800 has the internet phone app | 11:34 |
| lbt | it makes a great SIP handset | 11:35 |
| lbt | but there is no DTMF | 11:35 |
| lbt | not worth filing a bug :( | 11:35 |
| lbt | anyhow, it is what it is | 11:35 |
| lbt | and whilst I think it's a poor show | 11:35 |
| lbt | Nokia are doing other things which are a lot better :) | 11:36 |
| lbt | there is support for Mer in many areas | 11:36 |
| lbt | but it looks like you'll never get to use the internal gps in Mer | 11:37 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: I think using Mer for backwards compatibility is a great idea | 11:37 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: I puts the control in the hands of the community. | 11:37 |
| LiraNuna | is the GPS chipset closed-source too? | 11:37 |
| lbt | well... it also offloads legacy responsibility | 11:37 |
| lbt | GPS-> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4380 | 11:37 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: Yes - but that is part of the deal and a realistic expectation. | 11:38 |
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| lbt | <cynical> so Nokia can EOL even sooner and say it's supported via Mer... apart from.....</cynical> | 11:38 |
| jeremiah_ | You may argue that it is happening too soon or without enough Nokia support, and you may be right, but it is, in principle, a good thing. | 11:38 |
| LiraNuna | bleh | 11:38 |
| jeremiah_ | At least, so thinks I. | 11:38 |
| lbt | what? Mer? | 11:39 |
| LiraNuna | good thing I got this thing for free | 11:39 |
| LiraNuna | that way I can get my wife to get another one :D | 11:39 |
| lbt | what? Mer? <- jeremiah_ | 11:39 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: When the new one comes out, you will want to give your wife the old one. :) | 11:40 |
| jeremiah_ | lbt: Yeah. | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | some might argue that cutting off life support is a good way to get the community encouraged | 11:40 |
| LiraNuna | jeremiah_, I meant, get my wife to agree to get the new one | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | rage is a good motivator sometime :) | 11:40 |
| jeremiah_ | LiraNuna: Heh. | 11:40 |
| lbt | hehe ... but futile rage .... ? | 11:40 |
| jeremiah_ | Stskeeps: You have a way with words. :) | 11:40 |
| * lbt has an N800 and a BT gps | 11:40 | |
| LiraNuna | the shop that sold the N810W to me delivered the product after 34 days (!) and I already claimed fraud | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: oh, it's not futile if there's someone ready to facilitate the rage :P | 11:41 |
| * lbt hopes maemo-mapper can ignore the liblocate stuff and use gpsd | 11:41 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: some things we can't reasonably expect to fix ... 3D accel, n810 gps... | 11:42 |
| lbt | I doubt Mer will ever support them | 11:42 |
| lbt | but we'll see if Nokia continue to open up the HW | 11:42 |
| lbt | it's a journey for them | 11:42 |
| LiraNuna | hmm, Tear doesn't seem to pass acid3 test | 11:43 |
| LiraNuna | I get 13/100 | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: obviously, but you didn't see qgil coming in to talk about it? (he's taking a talk with TI about it this month), and http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=283003&highlight=acceleration#post283003 | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | (3d) | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | gps we'll have to figure out somehow | 11:44 |
| lbt | oh yes | 11:45 |
| lbt | I meant *we* as in not-Nokia | 11:45 |
| lbt | so we can rage all we like .... but it's not enough.... whereas being pissed off at the lack of fingerscrolling in Qt.... I can do something about that <grin> | 11:46 |
| lbt | I'd *really* like to get that into Qt | 11:47 |
| lbt | to demonstrate community feedback | 11:47 |
| lbt | something small, but very 'pointable at' | 11:47 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | fingerscrolling, pannable area? | 11:51 |
| lbt | yes... | 11:51 |
| * lbt hates the word kinetic | 11:51 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:52 |
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| * lbt thinks that implies momentum and continued motion/slowing down | 11:52 | |
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| timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: you understand that Flash Player for 770/n800/n810 is licensed by Nokia from Adobe, right? | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it's based on the real flash player sources | 12:06 |
| LiraNuna | timeless_mbp, oh wow | 12:06 |
| LiraNuna | so we can't get a newer version? | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | morning timeless_mbp | 12:07 |
| LiraNuna | it's still stuck on 9.0 r22 | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: btw you're unfair, IBM, Sun and Microsoft all support EOLd products (if you *PAY* for a service contract) | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | um, you shouldn't have r22 | 12:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | you probably have the buggy misbranded 49 or whatever | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's an update to fix that | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | you can either find the official way to get the update | 12:09 |
| LiraNuna | I got the wimax | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't matter | 12:09 |
| LiraNuna | <- tablet life of 6 days | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry it's misbranded 48, not 49 | 12:09 |
| lcukx41 | o/' mornin | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | note that i haven't tried it on rx48 | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | but it should work | 12:09 |
| jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: You got me! :) | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | you really should find the correct way to update to the final released version of the system stack | 12:10 |
| LiraNuna | timeless, thank you, works | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | go to control panel, what does about[product] say? | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: anyway, youtube and friends should stop bothering you about flash for a while | 12:11 |
| LiraNuna | 5.2008.43-7 | 12:11 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 12:11 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyone know what the last version is? :) | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | that | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:11 |
| LiraNuna | timeless_mbp, I had flash, just r22 | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: what does about:plugins say now? :) | 12:11 |
| LiraNuna | r48 | 12:12 |
| LiraNuna | <LiraNuna> timeless, thank you, works | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i figured, but i might as well see output :) | 12:12 |
| LiraNuna | anyone knows anything about the WiMAX chip of the N810W? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | pc2400m | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | or something | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sure some of my coworkers do since they work on it :) | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | or rather worked on it | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | but :) | 12:13 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, not open, right? | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: i compiled it the other day | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | so i guess it's open | 12:13 |
| LiraNuna | :O | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | LiraNuna: the source for it is in the kernel | 12:13 |
| LiraNuna | awesome \:D/ | 12:13 |
| qwerty12 | But the firmware is stored on the initfs which, as you'll have guessed, is not open :) | 12:13 |
| LiraNuna | I think Intel (?) gives the firmware version | 12:14 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.brainfall.com/quizzes/which-disney-princess-are-you/ | 12:14 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.linuxwimax.org/Download | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | possible | 12:14 |
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| LiraNuna | says i2400 but I don't know if it's this one | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | it's pc2400m so | 12:14 |
| jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: Which Disney princess are you? | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | snowwhite is my bet | 12:15 |
| LiraNuna | but the firmware is not bound to a kernel right? | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: i've only tried picking the top answer | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm going to actually answer now | 12:15 |
| LiraNuna | so no problem about that right? | 12:15 |
| * jeremiah_ Waiting on tenterhooks. . . | 12:15 | |
| thux | tenterhooks where is my dictionary | 12:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jasmine :) | 12:17 |
| jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: I would be shocked if only I knew who Jasmine was. :-/ | 12:17 |
| jeremiah_ | I guess I will have to take the quiz. | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: um, crawl out from under your carpet | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | come along for a magic carpet ride | 12:18 |
| lcukx41 | lol timeless how come theres no disney princesses who spend friday nights drinking beer and coding | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | actually... come in out of the desert | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | lcukx41: not my problem, i chose read a book | 12:18 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't drink | 12:18 | |
| lcukx41 | i am belle - and i dunno who she is lol | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | beauty and the beast? | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | lcukx41: gah | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ++Stskeeps | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | (.. i spent too much time in HS with girls who loved disney songs..) | 12:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | actually i'm not sure if i ever saw the disney version of that start to finish | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | but i still know it! | 12:19 |
| lcukx41 | Stskeeps: dont lie, you have all the videos lol | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: did you figure out who jasmine is? | 12:19 |
| LiraNuna | memorized! | 12:19 |
| jeremiah_ | timeless_mbp: Not yet, but I found out I am Pocahontas. \0/ | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i hope you know who she is | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Jasmine is Aladdin's girlfriend | 12:20 |
| lbt | Jasmine/Pocahontas | 12:20 |
| jeremiah_ | I do know Pocahontas - thank god. :) | 12:20 |
| LiraNuna | Jasmine is from Aladin, no? | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | but have you seen the movie? | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | LiraNuna: yes | 12:21 |
| jeremiah_ | I don't want to be ostracized by everyone here for not knowing about Pocahontas. | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | (in the case of Aladdin, i believe there are 3) | 12:21 |
| lcukx41 | jeremiah_: there are much worse things in the world | 12:21 |
| LiraNuna | g'night all, thanks for being patient with me | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | jeremiah_: truth be told, i'd only ostracize Americans for her | 12:21 |
| LiraNuna | wonderful community | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | the rest can rightfully claim a certain degree of ignorance | 12:21 |
| jeremiah_ | Pocahontas was a real person who played an important role in American history. | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 12:22 |
| jeremiah_ | So us Americans _ought_ to know about her. | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 12:22 |
| jeremiah_ | But this Jasmine person . . . | 12:22 |
| jeremiah_ | I have an excuse, right? | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | for not knowing enough tales from the Arabian nights? | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | not really | 12:22 |
| jeremiah_ | Bummer. | 12:23 |
| lcukx41 | did aladin let her rub his lamp? | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | lcukx41: in movie 2 or 3 i'm pretty sure | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | or was there a four? | 12:23 |
| lcukx41 | i dunno, who did they cast in the roll? sasha grey? | 12:23 |
| * jeremiah_ slinks off to Piratebay to find some Disney movies . . . | 12:24 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 12:24 |
| qwerty12 | lcukx41: what sort of Aladdin movies do you watch? | 12:24 |
| lcukx41 | i dont | 12:24 |
| jeremiah_ | uh oh - I am sensing a shift from childrens films to something more, um, adult. | 12:24 |
| lcukx41 | not at all lol | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i was right,there were only 3 | 12:25 |
| * RST38h moos | 12:25 | |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly how the SmartQ slipped past customs | 12:26 | |
| RST38h | Are you talking erotics in Disney animated movies or what? | 12:26 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: welcome to the internet | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:26 |
| qwerty12 | Stskeeps: threats from the triad | 12:26 |
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| lcukx41 | Stskeeps: it arrived with you? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: yup. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | or at least my gf claims so | 12:27 |
| RST38h | FreeBSD 7.2 released. Coolness. | 12:28 |
| lcukx41 | nice | 12:28 |
| lcukx41 | is it omap3 or still omap2? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's a samsung chipset | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | arm still though | 12:29 |
| lcukx41 | arm11 or more then? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | arm11 yea | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | didn't see if it has vfp yet | 12:29 |
| RST38h | Sts: Is your customs policy the same as .RU? Can't bring anything in, can't send anything out? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well normally i get a nice VAT on top and such | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Sts: how much is VAT? | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: 25% + a silly customs fee | 12:30 |
| RST38h | Oh | 12:30 |
| lcukx41 | Stskeeps: 25% of what tho | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | of the value.. :P | 12:31 |
| aquatix | of the `$60' note on the box ;) | 12:31 |
| lcukx41 | but if its not for sale its priceless | 12:31 |
| RST38h | Sts: I hope they do not include express service (FedEx,UPS,etc) costs into taxable amount like Russians do though =) | 12:31 |
| lcukx41 | lol aquatix thats sorta what im thinking, or the variation where you send an empty box marked up in millions of € :D | 12:32 |
| RST38h | lcukx41: then they keep it for themselves until you come up with 25% of infinity =) | 12:32 |
| aquatix | Stskeeps: i read at http://www.umpcfever.com/news/?postid=2225 that the SmartQ is a tad slow | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but imagine Mer on it? | 12:33 |
| aquatix | hm :) | 12:33 |
| aquatix | good point | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | and 1gb internal flash | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | (i actually have it suspected of being an 1gb internal mmc.) | 12:34 |
| aquatix | well, knowing samsung it might be regular internal flash | 12:34 |
| aquatix | but maybe speaking mmc/sd indeed | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | i'll see when i get it bootin' | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | i checked out their fw the other day | 12:35 |
| aquatix | heh, it has blueman by default | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | that was actually what inspired me to try out blueman for tablets | 12:36 |
| aquatix | software looks rather ok | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | it's LXDE afaik | 12:36 |
| aquatix | yeah, blueman is damn nice | 12:36 |
| aquatix | use it on my laptops too | 12:36 |
| aquatix | or regular xfce maybe? | 12:36 |
| aquatix | or maybe not | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | it's basically ubuntu/mojo hasty | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | (8.04) | 12:37 |
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| aquatix | wow 2000mAh battery | 12:38 |
| aquatix | and about the same size screen as the n8x0 right? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | think so | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. and they claim it can drive a EDGE modem too (3g?) | 12:38 |
| aquatix | 4.3" if i read well | 12:38 |
| aquatix | edge is gprs++ | 12:38 |
| aquatix | 2.5G | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really looking forward to go home and play with it :p | 12:38 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:39 |
| lcukx41 | im so impressed with the n810 battery now - and powersaving on the proper wifi is really cool | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | better than adhoc, eh? ;) | 12:41 |
| aquatix | lcukx41: what did you change then? | 12:42 |
| lcukx41 | i finally got a router :) | 12:42 |
| lcukx41 | but before then i didnt even consider it - i thought it was fine before, now its super smart and i dont have to remember to dc | 12:43 |
| lcukx41 | yeah sts :) | 12:43 |
| aquatix | :) | 12:43 |
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| GAN800 | lcukx41, just so you know, I'm going to have to hit you at the Summit. :P | 12:44 |
| lcukx41 | no u arent, i cant defend myself | 12:45 |
| * lcukx41 waves his ET finger at you | 12:45 | |
| GAN800 | Or maybe shut your other finger in a door. :P | 12:45 |
| lcukx41 | we need plenty of beer at the summit :) | 12:46 |
| * lcukx41 has to have evil nurses changing bandages later | 12:46 | |
| lcukx41 | i used to look up to nurses, but they are sadists | 12:47 |
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| * GAN800 looks at bergie's blank email in Modest. <_< | 12:48 | |
| bergie | GAN800: what email? | 12:48 |
| GAN800 | Sprint scheduling | 12:48 |
| * GAN800 tries hitting Modest with a stick to no effect. | 12:48 | |
| bergie | ah, Modest probably didn't like the GPG signature | 12:49 |
| bergie | GAN800: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-community/read/fbd4d782387b11de9bb2094ed741c926c926/ | 12:50 |
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| murrayc | lcukx41: Was that some new door handle button thing? Maybe I've just been lucky. | 12:54 |
| GAN800 | Modest doesn't like sending and receiving email as far as I can tell. ;) | 12:55 |
| lcukx41 | murrayc: i dunno, from what i have heard the doors that i got caught on are open by default and arent usually closed | 12:55 |
| murrayc | lcukx41: Ah. | 12:56 |
| murrayc | lcukx41: Life keeps offering new evidence that "The Design Of Everyday Things" has a point about doors being hard to open due to thoughtless designers. | 12:56 |
| GAN800 | bergie, who wants to re-triage Hirvinen's bugs? Alternatively: who do you want ME to reassign them to? ;) | 12:57 |
| bergie | GAN800: we'll do that | 12:57 |
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| lcukx41 | indeed murrayc, where i sit in my dayjob i get to overlook a bank, and they just added a new dimension to getting in | 12:58 |
| lcukx41 | you have to press a button to unlock the door and open it | 12:58 |
| lcukx41 | i watch people every day try to push and force and some give up without finding the butotn | 12:58 |
| murrayc | lcukx41: That's customer lock-in. | 12:58 |
| lcukx41 | lockout | 12:58 |
| lcukx41 | from the inside you just pull | 12:59 |
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| qwerty12 | lcukx41: at our nationwide branch here, we have to press a button to get out | 12:59 |
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| lcukx41 | maybe it is the same then o_O | 13:00 |
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| lcukx41 | i want startreks doors everywhere :D | 13:00 |
| andrade | hi, anyone could help me to properly install qt on scratchbox? I got qmake: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1 when executing qmake -project | 13:01 |
| andrade | ah... greetings from Brazil :) | 13:01 |
| lcukx41 | im just wondering whether i need to file a bugtracker report about the incident | 13:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: they filter the most stupid clients out this way | 13:05 |
| RST38h | saves them a fortune on productivity | 13:05 |
| lcukx41 | booo | 13:06 |
| lcukx41 | or should i say mooo | 13:06 |
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| RST38h | HELO lcukx41 | 13:07 |
| thux | ehlo | 13:08 |
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| lcukx41 | did anyone watch the finalle of heroes | 13:11 |
| lcukx41 | (series) | 13:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol Heroes | 13:14 |
| * timeless_mbp starves | 13:14 | |
| lcukx41 | GeneralAntilles: was good, what are you watching at the mo | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | lcukx41: i'm so behind after i sat down in an episode and thought it was so incredibly badly written :P | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | will catch up sometime :P | 13:15 |
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| lcukx41 | lol Stskeeps it went through a period of crapola, but this series was much better | 13:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcukx41, depressingly enough the last thing I watched (at the insistence of a friend, and it actually turned out to be really excellent--for a kid's show, anyway ;)) was Avatar. | 13:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Through to completion, I should say. | 13:18 |
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| lcukx41 | havin the kids around i get to see the drivel thats on nowadays | 13:19 |
| lcukx41 | thankfully spongbob washes over you after a while | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | spongebob is awesome. :P | 13:19 |
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| lcukx41 | yes but in small doses | 13:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcukx41, there are a few gems every once and a while. | 13:20 |
| lcukx41 | of course, same as anywher | 13:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I think I had a better-than-usual selection of children's programming when I was young, though. | 13:20 |
| lcukx41 | that was about 1/2 hour ago wasnt it? | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 13:21 |
| lcukx41 | heh | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Judging by the fact that I just finished a Nickelodeon show, maybe. ;) | 13:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, ping? | 13:21 |
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| bergie | GeneralAntilles: I'm also looking for X-Fade :-) | 13:24 |
| bergie | we need to discuss brainstorm deployment | 13:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, poor bastard's probably still sleeping off the website deployment. :D | 13:24 |
| bergie | :-) | 13:25 |
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| bergie | GeneralAntilles: I just hope he wakes up before the meeting tomorrow so we can still launch it | 13:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if the Nokia DNS people ever added t.m.o | 13:28 |
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| lcukx41 | mornin mgedmin o/' thanks for your comments | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | hi, lcukx41 | 13:36 |
| mgedmin | from your nickname I assume you've got yourself a nice thinkpad? | 13:36 |
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| lcukx41 | i got this at christmas, i just dont usually sit in bed | 13:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | bergie, oh, right, X-Fade's on the town in Amsterdam with Quim and Kees today. | 13:37 |
| bergie | aha, ok | 13:38 |
| bergie | well, then we'll try to do the deployment tomorrow before the meeting | 13:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles gets out of bed. | 13:38 | |
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| lcukx41 | mgedmin: its the first laptop i can actually call a laptop, all others have been frankenmachines with dead batteries of knackered whatever bits, this one just works most of the time | 13:43 |
| mgedmin | thinkpads are nice | 13:44 |
| lcukx41 | ubuntu on the whole works with it | 13:44 |
| mgedmin | ubuntu is getting nicer and nicer (but still buggy) | 13:44 |
| lcukx41 | dont mind buggy, its the direction its going, for a desktop os its satisfactory | 13:45 |
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| mgedmin | most satisfactory | 13:45 |
| lcukx41 | cant use the touchscreen with it too well tho, its too routed in mousing paradigm to be comfortable | 13:45 |
| lbt | how does maemo mapper talk to a BT gps ? anyone know? | 13:45 |
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| mgedmin | lbt: there's this maemo platform library for communicating with gpses, I believe | 13:45 |
| lcukx41 | lbt, it opens a socket doesnt it | 13:46 |
| lbt | ugh, it uses the nokia lib to talk over BT to a 3rd party GPS? | 13:46 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | libgpsbt? :P | 13:47 |
| mgedmin | I mean, there's this feature where you can choose "bluetooth" and leave the bt address empty and get it to talk to the n810's internal gps | 13:47 |
| * lbt gets the source | 13:47 | |
| Stskeeps | closed source afaik | 13:47 |
| mgedmin | which makes me think it's using the library instead of opening an RFCOMM socket | 13:47 |
| mgedmin | maemo mapper is GPL | 13:47 |
| mgedmin | libgpsbt is not | 13:47 |
| lbt | yep... | 13:47 |
| * lbt thinks of Mer | 13:47 | |
| lbt | and losing MM :( | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | ah | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we have maemo-mapper ported already | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | i disabled the GPS :P | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | ouch | 13:48 |
| lbt | yeah, great :{ | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i know) | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | actually, not ouch | 13:48 |
| * lbt looks at gpsd | 13:48 | |
| * lcukx41 got banned from google maps the other day :$ | 13:48 | |
| mgedmin | I use maemo mapper more often as a map application, the n810's gps sucks | 13:48 |
| * lbt has an N800 and a good BT gps | 13:49 | |
| * Stskeeps should start preparing cph meet presentation and such | 13:49 | |
| lbt | and open streetmap.... | 13:49 |
| * lcukx41 navigates by the stars | 13:49 | |
| RST38h | it is ok once locked | 13:49 |
| RST38h | lcuk: in your sparkling spaceship, ET? =) | 13:49 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: me too - we need to agree a split | 13:49 |
| lbt | that's why I wanted your likes/dislikes | 13:49 |
| lcukx41 | this finger IS like et | 13:49 |
| * lcukx41 finds the picture | 13:50 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: can I move MM to Extras | 13:51 |
| * lbt goes to #mer | 13:51 | |
| lcukx41 | http://liqbase.net/finger_macro.jpg (warning shows wounded hand with stitches removed) | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: go ahead | 13:53 |
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| pupnik_ | lcuk wins for hand damage | 14:06 |
| pupnik_ | mine's more artistic tho | 14:06 |
| lcuk | yeah, you broke windows with yours tho, you should install linux | 14:07 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: ouch! | 14:07 |
| lcuk | indeed rob | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | you can try other swear words as well - i know i did | 14:08 |
| robtaylor | hah | 14:08 |
| robtaylor | lcuk: how did you manage that? | 14:08 |
| lcuk | full rundown http://slashdot.org/~LiquidCoooled/journal/229097 | 14:08 |
| lcuk | i had answered the same thing and same questions afterwards so thought i would put it in one place ;) | 14:09 |
| pupnik_ | your description is vague on the actual cause of glass breakage though | 14:10 |
| pupnik_ | at least i couldn't understand it | 14:10 |
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| lcuk | no glass breakage | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | just an evil automatic door | 14:11 |
| pupnik_ | OW | 14:11 |
| lcuk | my finger was inside the handle - my hand was trapped between the handle and the fixed pole in the centre of the doors (double doors) | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: at least in denmark it would be almost obligatory for the company to fix the issue, as it would be a work environment violation | 14:11 |
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| robtaylor | lcuk: impressively done ;) | 14:13 |
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| * liri is sad | 14:23 | |
| Stskeeps | dead tablet? | 14:24 |
| liri | my n810 is sitting like a brick on my drawer for a couple of months now | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | heh - i see my n8x0 as a multipurpose device | 14:24 |
| Stskeeps | i can always find some kind of purpose for it :) | 14:24 |
| liri | I recently upgraded all packages including the media player (forgot it's name) and it stopped playing files | 14:24 |
| liri | Stskeeps: share with me. | 14:25 |
| liri | Stskeeps: I tried using it on the go as well but it gets cumbersome | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, my LCD on my n8x0 is scrolling insanely. low power wireless server, with mer / debian on top | 14:25 |
| liri | no easy PIM, GPS takes up to 3-4 minutes to get a lock/signal, browser isn't loading websites too fast | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | did you try Tear yet? | 14:26 |
| liri | what do you mean scorlling insanely? | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | you owe yourself that | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcm5TYGwTwU | 14:26 |
| liri | I've been out of the community for months now cause I've been busy as well so I'm a bit off about the new stuff | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | GPS i can't help with beyond AGPS | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | PIM .. yeah | 14:26 |
| liri | no solution yet for pim right? | 14:27 |
| RST38h | not much new | 14:27 |
| RST38h | don't worry | 14:27 |
| RST38h | the new maemo.org website is up and the itt has been moved there | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | and everyone is exploding with orgasmic conspiracies, heh | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | at least the content is starting to be > the noise | 14:28 |
| liri | heh | 14:28 |
| RST38h | there is a Finnish company that released a semicommercial web browser for the tablet but it does not work wwell enough yet | 14:28 |
| RST38h | their youtube app works fine though | 14:28 |
| lcuk | i still think Stskeeps is writing a book reader | 14:28 |
| woglinde | hi | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | hiya woglinde \o | 14:28 |
| liri | Stskeeps: I don't get that video. that's just the screen going rotation all the time? | 14:28 |
| woglinde | the PIM theme again *g* | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | liri: yes, and unstoppable :P | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's might hard to use it | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | +y | 14:29 |
| liri | Stskeeps: lol, that's just fun | 14:29 |
| woglinde | hm is there no qt pim stuff | 14:29 |
| RST38h | liri: his Blizzard chip is somehow broken, that is all | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | rest of tablet is fine though | 14:29 |
| liri | Stskeeps: what are your uses for it? | 14:30 |
| lcuk | hack the x11 driver to adjust the y offset - you never know, your tablet might be the only one that tears when showing a static screen but is flawless when in motion ;) | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | liri: well i got a new n800 donated, which i use for developing mer and as my day to day device | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | the old one i have to start using in some way | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | now i know. | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | torrents. | 14:31 |
| liri | mer is the new version call sign yes? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | nah, fremantle is maemo 5.0 | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | mer is the community backport / maemo reconstructed | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer | 14:32 |
| * lcuk vanishes for pills | 14:32 | |
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| liri | how is debian running on it? is it slow? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, Mer is basically Maemo UI but based on top of ubuntu | 14:33 |
| woglinde | bye lcuk | 14:33 |
| Stskeeps | which works quite nicely | 14:33 |
| liri | so it's essentially ubuntu | 14:34 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but more optimized towards mobile usage | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | it power saves in similar ways to maemo | 14:34 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, meh | 14:34 |
| liri | what are the benefits of that upon the maemo os? | 14:34 |
| AStorm | my bluetooth fails in Mer | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: hmm | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | liri: easier to get any app you might want or libraries :) | 14:34 |
| AStorm | it binds fine | 14:34 |
| AStorm | but cannot connect to dial-up port | 14:35 |
| AStorm | (can to the serial, can transfer files) | 14:35 |
| AStorm | so it's some funky failure | 14:35 |
| liri | Stskeeps: cause it uses ubuntu's repos? | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | liri: correct. :) | 14:35 |
| AStorm | might be blueman suckage | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: .xsession-errors might reveal some things | 14:35 |
| AStorm | I'll check that later, thanks | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | liri: also we are working on making development a hell lot easier | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | no scratchbox, for instance | 14:36 |
| AStorm | also, I need a new battery, this one is dead | 14:36 |
| AStorm | at least Mer's charge counter works correct | 14:36 |
| liri | Stskeeps: uhmm nice | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | liri: and no busybox, etc | 14:37 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, btw, I'll try direct rfcomm config - by hand | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | liri: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.12#Screenshots | 14:37 |
| AStorm | did that before - if that works, the failure is due to blueman | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | or NetworkManager :P | 14:37 |
| AStorm | yep | 14:38 |
| AStorm | though i could add the connection in nm | 14:38 |
| AStorm | (but the bt device didn't connect) | 14:38 |
| liri | Stskeeps: it looks pretty slick, nice work | 14:39 |
| liri | Stskeeps: I would guess that it isn't exactly 'production-ready' though? | 14:40 |
| AStorm | ah btw | 14:40 |
| AStorm | the blueman .desktop file is broken | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | liri: correct, 20% answered it was day to day usable | 14:40 |
| AStorm | and Mer's "tray" is limited to 4 items | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | but we have a lot of things working still | 14:40 |
| AStorm | need a way to resize it and a button to "show more items" like in Maemo | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: make a huge .txt with the bugs and i'll gladly add them administratively :P | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | and yes | 14:40 |
| AStorm | yeah | 14:40 |
| liri | it's cool though | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | liri: but we have wifi power saving working, etc | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | so we're getting closer | 14:41 |
| liri | this way you get a full blown linux distro with the comfortable mobile UI | 14:41 |
| AStorm | and your pidgin version is not hildonized | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: we have a pidgin version? | 14:41 |
| AStorm | add the one from Maemo repos, which is | 14:41 |
| AStorm | :) | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | must be the ubuntu one | 14:41 |
| liri | heh | 14:41 |
| AStorm | no, you don't. exactly | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | liri: also we target towards making normal apps act well in maemo ui too :P | 14:42 |
| liri | that's a blessing | 14:42 |
| AStorm | I also recommend switching off static dialogs in matchbox for now | 14:42 |
| AStorm | (switch to free) | 14:42 |
| liri | though I'd be sticking with maemo os until that happens, and who knows when is that :) | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | liri: *nod* | 14:42 |
| AStorm | and disable super_modal | 14:42 |
| liri | to be honest I thought alot about flash games in the tablet but I found out that they run insanely slow which is in contrary to what I thought at first | 14:43 |
| AStorm | it's a workaround though - to work with that, need to extend the "task buttons" to show all the dialogs too | 14:43 |
| liri | I figured that this happens because the cpu still can't handle all that math | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | AStorm: i agree with all your observations, but i need them in list form :) | 14:44 |
| GAN800 | liri, the Flash plugin is really badly put together. | 14:44 |
| RST38h | AStorm: Want a riddle? | 14:44 |
| AStorm | Stskeeps, later today - have to jump on labs | 14:44 |
| liri | GAN800: you mean the flash plugin for the browser? | 14:44 |
| AStorm | or rather, run | 14:44 |
| ShadowJK_ | LiraNuna, I have 24hour clock... maybe because I set country to Finland? | 14:44 |
| GAN800 | liri, yes. | 14:44 |
| AStorm | bbl | 14:44 |
| liri | GAN800: ahh | 14:44 |
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| GAN800 | liri, Flash on the Linux is terrible, Flash on Linux ARM is worse. | 14:45 |
| liri | GAN800: well there's no other alternative. I tried playing the flash file in the media player (that default one) which it plays it but it's even worse than on the browser | 14:45 |
| liri | GAN800: heh, nice | 14:45 |
| * RST38h knows why Flash is slow on the tablets. It is NOT because of the math too | 14:45 | |
| RST38h | The reason is way funnier | 14:45 |
| aquatix | oh? | 14:46 |
| liri | how come then RST38h? | 14:46 |
| RST38h | It performs busy loops on gettimeofday(). | 14:46 |
| aquatix | eh | 14:46 |
| RST38h | The way to improve it is patch gettimeofday() to provide it with a "local" copy of the time | 14:46 |
| RST38h | There is a patch available too, made for different purposes on RedHat. | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: maybe that can be LD_PRELOADed | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Yea, exactly | 14:47 |
| RST38h | I will try locating the patch if one of you agrees to try it on NIT | 14:47 |
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| liri | RST38h: I'll do it happily | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Ok, let me see if I can locate it | 14:48 |
| RST38h | Here is an x86 specific patch: http://lwn.net/Articles/9266/ | 14:49 |
| RST38h | It uses TSC unfortunately, so will need modifications | 14:50 |
| woglinde | lol | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: gladly taking kernel patch for Mer kernels :P | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | (works for maemo too) | 14:51 |
| * RST38h would rather have this stuff in maemo though =( | 14:51 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, our kernels work for maemo too :P RDNIS patch is -wonderful- | 14:51 |
| RST38h | But let me see if there is an arch-agnostic patch available | 14:51 |
| woglinde | rst the patch is for 2.4 kernels | 14:52 |
| liri | my maemo kernel is running version 4.8 | 14:53 |
| * liri flew 2 decades to the future to get it! | 14:53 | |
| RST38h | woglinde: as it uses TSC you will have to rewrite it anyway, so it does nto matter | 14:53 |
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| AFB|Work | no wonder I can' get on at work I'm on at home lol | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:55 |
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| AFB|Work | If I want to file a feature request to make avatars bigger again on talk.mameo.org do I just file it like a bug? | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, think so | 14:57 |
| * RST38h files a bug to remove the avatars | 14:57 | |
| woglinde | rst *g* | 14:57 |
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| * AFB|Work files a bug to delete RST38h's bug | 14:59 | |
| murrayc | andre__: Can you confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4439 ? I am very suprised so I still wonder if it's just me. | 14:59 |
| andre__ | murrayc, Lucas already confirmed it | 15:00 |
| murrayc | andre__: Yeah, but I still wonder. | 15:01 |
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| RST38h | FOUND IT | 15:01 |
| RST38h | liri,Stskeeps,woglinde: https://www.redhatrenewals.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_MRG/1.0/html/Realtime_Tuning_Guide/sect-Realtime_Tuning_Guide-General_System_Tuning-gettimeofday_speedup.html | 15:01 |
| RST38h | i.e. RedHat has it in the kernel | 15:01 |
| andre__ | from past experiences i trust lucas | 15:01 |
| murrayc | ok | 15:01 |
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| woglinde | rst so its only a echo? | 15:02 |
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| woglinde | an echo | 15:03 |
| RST38h | woglinde: it is an echo if you have a RedHat Linux Enterprise Edition | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | AFB|Work, under Newstyle, please | 15:03 |
| * lbt is breaking in a new coffee cup | 15:03 | |
| RST38h | woglinde: otherwise it is fsck fsck fsck fsck | 15:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, you do realize that's a setting, right? | 15:03 |
| RST38h | General: It is a setting that enables this feature in the RedHat Linux kernel / glibc | 15:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, avatars on itT. . . . . . . | 15:04 |
| RST38h | General: For Maemo, someone will have to go into the kernel code and port the changes | 15:04 |
| RST38h | General: Ah, that... | 15:04 |
| RST38h | General: I have pretty much abandoned any hopes that you guys will change ITT layout | 15:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, good for you. | 15:05 |
| RST38h | General: Or implement a choice of color schemes for those who really need it (I do not) | 15:05 |
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| RST38h | General: My current plan is to personally petition Reggie into readding the mobile scheme again and use that | 15:06 |
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| RST38h | General: Whatever visual silliness you wreak on that poor forum site, I no longer care | 15:07 |
| ShadowJK_ | hm, are they selling that smartq5 thing to europe/us anywhere? | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Woo then we're agreed! | 15:08 |
| RST38h | General: Mmm...I, would not go THAT far with conclusions :) | 15:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't care, you don't care. | 15:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sure sounds like it. | 15:09 |
| RST38h | General: Basically, my current take is that the current Maemo.org design has been discussed among a really small group of people who are currently closed to taking any external suggestions seriously | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | General: I do think it is bad, but there does not seem to be a way to convey this to the above group. | 15:11 |
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| woglinde | rst where did you find the gettimeofday is the sucker? | 15:13 |
| StsN800 | RST38h, though, there's been countless open meetings and ml discussions | 15:13 |
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| AFB|Work | GeneralAntilles: opps I filed it under TALK | 15:14 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Yea, but the same people were present | 15:20 |
| RST38h | Sts: I tried participating a few times, but it did not look like anybody listened | 15:20 |
| RST38h | woglinde: use strace on MicroB | 15:21 |
| woglinde | rst there is no vdso support for arm | 15:21 |
| woglinde | at all | 15:21 |
| woglinde | and the vdso stuff is in for all kernels | 15:21 |
| RST38h | wogline: open a page with a few youtube videos and watch strace go bonkers =) | 15:21 |
| woglinde | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.29.y.git;a=blob;f=arch/x86/vdso/vclock_gettime.c;h=d9d35824c56f30e56266445cdf9ed5877f94bf52;hb=HEAD | 15:21 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: Well, as I said before, it is not simple patch application, some real work has to be done | 15:22 |
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| StsN800 | oh dear god | 15:22 |
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| StsN800 | star trek + nokia commercials in .dk | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ok, who has got the Nokia handset? =) | 15:23 |
| StsN800 | i wonder when lcars tablet shows up | 15:23 |
| StsN800 | RST38h, in a bus atm so saw it briefly | 15:23 |
| * RST38h wonders what would happen if the new StarTrek movie had all the crew members use N97 instead of traditional tricorders | 15:24 | |
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| lbt | they wouldn't get a signal | 15:24 |
| lbt | Kirk would die | 15:25 |
| RST38h | hehe | 15:25 |
| StsN800 | j j abrams gone insane? | 15:25 |
| lbt | bad idea | 15:25 |
| RST38h | Kirk can't die. | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | He is like Achilles, there is just one combination of events that makes him die | 15:25 |
| lbt | DCMA ? | 15:26 |
| lbt | takedown Kirk!!! | 15:26 |
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| lbt | ulitmate weapon? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Only if that combination of events gets 0 probability =) | 15:28 |
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| AFB|Work | What do you guys think would be better for minimalist theme a row or two of links that at top of everypage, or a drop down box full of links that will take up almost as much space? | 15:28 |
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| RST38h | AFB: One thin menu at the top | 15:29 |
| RST38h | AFB: Windows style. | 15:30 |
| RST38h | i.e. not the menu but a menu bar, sorry | 15:30 |
| AFB|Work | you saying a set of drop down boxes across the top | 15:30 |
| RST38h | no | 15:30 |
| RST38h | I am saying a menu bar, no drop down boxes | 15:30 |
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| RST38h | Drop down boxes = javascript = bad bad bad on an S60 phone | 15:31 |
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| AFB|Work | yeah I was trying to get away from the drop down box | 15:36 |
| AFB|Work | I'll just stick with the menus thing I'm working on now | 15:36 |
| RST38h | menus take vertical space and S60 phones have got 320x240 screens | 15:37 |
| RST38h | (and there is no mobile theme any more, so your minimalistic one is all we have got) | 15:37 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: btw, the alternative way would be exposing kernel time via mmap() | 15:42 |
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| RST38h | woglinde: i.e. you open and mmap some device (/dev/rtc ?) and make gettimeofday() read directly from mmap()ped page | 15:43 |
| woglinde | rst yes | 15:43 |
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| ShadowJK | opera mini is also a bit cumbersome with drop down boxes :) | 15:47 |
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| fred23 | Hi! I'm with Mozilla, working on Fennec (Firefox mobile) and I've hit something in the sapwood theme engine that's slowing down our startup... is any theme-expert online ? | 15:50 |
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| lbt | fred23: sorry not me | 15:57 |
| fred23 | lbt: np | 15:57 |
| lbt | OTOH... | 15:57 |
| timeless_mbp | fred23: have you filed a bug w/ the private bug tracker? | 15:57 |
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| lbt | do you know where the maemo source for fennec lives? | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | lbl: they're in hg | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | the instructions are on wiki.mozilla.org iirc if you really want to pull and build | 15:58 |
| lbt | .dsc ? | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | no. | 15:58 |
| lbt | :( | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | we aren't talking about packages, we're talking about live projects :) | 15:58 |
| fred23 | timeless_mbp : it's not a bug per se... I wanted to talk to someone closer to the code to discuss some improvements I had in mind... | 15:58 |
| lbt | yeah - agile.... package as you go | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | agile: don't package at all | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | just build continuously | 15:59 |
| * lbt thinks you're thinking of Gentoo | 15:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | fred23: if you're associated w/ mozilla, you should have access to the private bug database | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | fred23: and you should be using it | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | file a bug and stick something in it, have someone cc me, i'll connect the bug to an engineer if i can | 16:00 |
| lbt | it's a shame ... if there was a .dsc I could have it building on OBS For Mer in a few minutes | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: and how would that help anyone? | 16:00 |
| lbt | Oh, like there are never inter-OS issues or packaging problems | 16:00 |
| fred23 | yeah, but I don't like filing bugs before knowing a minimum and talking with the concerned guys... that might be an irrelevant issue. | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | fred23: i can't talk about this in the open, this channel is logged | 16:01 |
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| fred23 | np | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't have a way of reaching the people you need directly, then use the bug database | 16:01 |
| fred23 | I'll do | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | don't worry about bug count or quality, we have many and none | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | think about it more as a logged secure email | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | with safe ways to cc people into a conversation later w/o them losing context | 16:02 |
| fred23 | timeless_mbp: cool. thanx | 16:03 |
| lbt | so timeless_mbp, there's really nothing done on packaging it? | 16:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | lbt: there are .deb's and things | 16:04 |
| lbt | OK... | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's totally irrelevant to our needs as developers | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and you're asking a pair of mozilla devs | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | which is ... | 16:04 |
| * timeless_mbp goes off searching for analogies | 16:04 | |
| * thux .fi spam coming sorry, perustettiin Meizirkkin kanssa suomi kanava #nettilaudat tervetuloa local channel for tablets | 16:05 | |
| timeless_mbp | like asking a pair of field workers about the recipe for soup | 16:05 |
| lbt | yeah, I know... | 16:05 |
| lbt | thanks for the help though | 16:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | seriously though, there are debs in the repository for mozilla | 16:07 |
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| lbt | OK, I'm after a .dsc and a tar.gz to run on the Mer autobuilder (getting ready for the Danish weekend) | 16:09 |
| ShadowJK | repository for mozilla? | 16:10 |
| * lbt is googling | 16:10 | |
| ShadowJK | there's some version of fennec in extras-devel atleast | 16:11 |
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| Meiz_n810 | lbt get fennec sources from ubuntu-repo | 16:11 |
| Meiz_n810 | ubuntu has it | 16:11 |
| qwerty12 | That version was put there by X-Fade, it wasn't built with the autobuilder so it may not have source | 16:11 |
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| lbt | ta - submitted to OBS | 16:13 |
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| RST38h | fred23: Sapwood sources are available AFAIK (at least I remember finding a bug there) | 16:20 |
| RST38h | fred23: So you can easily find what is causing problems | 16:21 |
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| fred23 | RST38h: what do you mean ?... I've got the sources and I've pinpointed the exact problem. I just wanted to discuss something with the theme guys before submitting hack ideas... | 16:21 |
| RST38h | fred23: Ah | 16:22 |
| fred23 | thanx anyways ;-) | 16:22 |
| RST38h | fred23: Submit a bug. It won't be fixed in the current OS2008. | 16:22 |
| fred23 | RST38h: you got it. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | fred23: It *may* be fixed in the upcoming OS on the upcoming device, if it still uses the same Sapwood and there is someone in Nokia who shows interest in your bug report. | 16:23 |
| fred23 | RST38h: ok, so no big expectations to have here, if I understand correctly.. | 16:23 |
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| lopz | hi | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | fred23: Well, there are at least two things you can do, aside from filing the bug (which is also useful, whatever I said) | 16:53 |
| RST38h | fred23: One is submit your patch to Stskeeps here who will introduce it into MeR | 16:53 |
| RST38h | fred23: Another is to publish the patch and/or the .deb with the patched sapwood on ITT | 16:53 |
| RST38h | fred23: This will at least let people who are interested in a fix apply it to their current tablets | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: option three is simply to talk to herzi :) | 16:54 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: no official updates to Diablo any more =( | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: sure, but that doesn't mean sapwood doesn't work for diablo :P | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, file a bug | 16:55 |
| fred23 | Stskeeps: yeah, I tried to get to herzi, but I'm afraid here's rarely online. | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug then | 16:55 |
| fred23 | Stskeeps: bug filed... np | 16:55 |
| fred23 | let's wait then... | 16:55 |
| fred23 | thank you all for this prompt support! | 16:56 |
| RST38h | sorry that we can't do more here | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...N97 supposedly does not have OMAP3 | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:01 |
| RST38h | 32GB internal flash though, oh yeah | 17:01 |
| lbt | Stskeeps can't fred23 also provide a patch for Mer? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: same code | 17:03 |
| jaska | reminds me, do sdhc cards beyong 16GB work on n810? | 17:03 |
| lbt | yes, except we have the ability to accept and try a patch 'easily' | 17:03 |
| lbt | in Devel:MC ? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but we can get that from the bug report :) | 17:03 |
| lbt | nb xulrunner is building | 17:03 |
| lbt | old Jaunty version | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 17:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | $700 for the N97 | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | They've got to be kidding for an ARM11. | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 400MHz and change. | 17:05 |
| lbt | but it allows an easy setup of the osc armel chroot with all the builddeps | 17:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | jaska, cards up to 2TB will work fine. | 17:05 |
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| * RST38h has no problem with ARM11 (why they hide the exact manufacturer though?) but $700 is way too steep | 17:05 | |
| jaska | oh | 17:05 |
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| jaska | i just recall it officially being 8g max and 16g working | 17:06 |
| RST38h | It is just a phone, and not even the business E-series model | 17:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | jaska, 8GB is what was available to be certified with at the time the N810 was released. | 17:06 |
| lbt | anyhow, fred23, if you want to get your patch tried on Mer, give me a yell | 17:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I don't have a problem with ARM11, either, but not for $700. | 17:07 |
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| jaska | yeah, thats what i gather, googling around, thinking of upping my sd card from 4 to something | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | Not that there's any big difference between E series and N series? | 17:07 |
| fred23 | lbt: I appreciate ! thanx | 17:07 |
| lbt | np | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | Except N series has crippled/nonexistant VoIP and E-series has cumbersome media player, I guess.. | 17:08 |
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| * Robot101 has always found the build quality and software stability better on E series | 17:09 | |
| Robot101 | ie they don't feel like they're going to fall in 2 every time you open the phone | 17:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish somebody would give me some input on the repository.maemo.org improvemnts. | 17:10 |
| Robot101 | and the e-mail app actually works. like, I can read and send email. | 17:10 |
| * wazd ponders why Reggie killed old iTT theme :( | 17:11 | |
| ShadowJK | dunno, email has "just worked" for me ever since I got my first phone with email support | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | Series 40 :) | 17:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, it's not compatible with the new vBulletin | 17:12 |
| Robot101 | its been variously shit in most of the S60 phones I've had until E-series | 17:12 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: ah, damn( | 17:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | E71x, 5800, or wait for the Maemo phone. . . . | 17:13 |
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| * ShadowJK is pondering E71 vs E75 now :/ | 17:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | E75 seems extra expensive for little purpose. | 17:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | $200 just doesn't seem worth it. | 17:14 |
| ShadowJK | oh my memory had them down as similarily priced, or atleast I was assuming they'd be similar once E75 is out in volume | 17:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe, it's listed at around $550, now, though, right? | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | ah right, 100E difference | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | 340 for E71, 425 for E75 with dubious shipping dates all over | 17:16 |
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| * Robot101 has an E66 and is v. happy | 17:16 | |
| ShadowJK | I know if I get an E66 I'll be sad if any operator decides to extend HSDPA coverage | 17:17 |
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| ShadowJK | hm, E71 is 389E on Nokia's online store and E75 is 499 | 17:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | E71 is about $320 USD here. | 17:19 |
| ShadowJK | Robot101, oh I was thinking of E63 | 17:19 |
| ShadowJK | hm, E66 does seem to have both 2100 and 900 band 3g and hsdpa, but no qwerty and costs more than E71? wtf? :) | 17:21 |
| suihkulokki | style costs :) | 17:24 |
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| ShadowJK | how much would it cost to put modern hardware inside E70 formfactor :( | 17:26 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Shadow: Will probably cost a few human sacrifices to the Tentacled One =) | 17:28 |
| inz | wazd has no easter eggs | 17:28 |
| lbt | RST38h: human? | 17:28 |
| wazd | RST38h: heya) | 17:28 |
| lbt | I have a cat here that keeps treading on my keyboard | 17:29 |
| lbt | will she do? | 17:29 |
| RST38h | lbt: What did you expect? A rabbit? | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | lbt: No. | 17:29 |
| lbt | aw please | 17:29 |
| lbt | I'll put sauce on her | 17:29 |
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| RST38h | lbt: The Tentacled One liks brains! | 17:30 |
| lbt | oh, she's smart | 17:31 |
| lbt | and quite pudgy too | 17:31 |
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| lbt | I've told her what's coming! | 17:31 |
| RST38h | No new E70 for you. | 17:31 |
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| wazd | RST38h: kids at Fruct were charmed with ATi :) | 17:32 |
| RST38h | wazd: Poor kids, they have nothing to learn programming on nowadays =) | 17:34 |
| wazd | I surrender, I can't use iTT anymore | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | use minimal theme | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:34 |
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| RST38h | Sts: it has also got problems | 17:35 |
| RST38h | fewer, yes | 17:35 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it doesn't show new messages | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | "New posts" on rightmost | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | and "Active topics" | 17:35 |
| * Stskeeps has new posts bookmarked. | 17:36 | |
| RST38h | Sts: but it wastes so much space... | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, what's the problem? | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I filed a bug about that. | 17:36 |
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| wazd | GeneralAntilles: too much noise and no info arrange | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, what does that means? | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's less noise, as there are no ads anymore. | 17:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's actually less information overall on the page. | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | huh. | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | can it be a capactive screen when my nokia stylus works on it? | 17:38 |
| lcuk | it could be dual mode | 17:38 |
| RST38h | General: fixing it will require removal of the right column, but it is contrary to the maemo.org style =( | 17:38 |
| lcuk | but i doubt it | 17:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, for the topic list? Bull. | 17:38 |
| RST38h | General: it's 25% of the total width | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, somebody lied? | 17:39 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: http://s54.radikal.ru/i145/0905/ae/14e4a8b99df3.png | 17:39 |
| RST38h | With no clear use (which is true for most of those columns) | 17:39 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: This theme should be called "Kill All Humans" you know | 17:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I'm not sure what you're showing me. | 17:40 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: why the hell titles are orange? | 17:40 |
| * RST38h personally has no problem with the color | 17:41 | |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: why not black? | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because that's what links are colored. | 17:41 |
| RST38h | But if everybody wishes, I can submit a bug tracker asking to provide a quick color scheme selection box | 17:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Black makes it impossible to tell that it's a link. | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Shouldn't be difficult really | 17:41 |
| RST38h | General: Should I | 17:42 |
| RST38h | ? | 17:42 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: okay, what about block at the right | 17:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nobody's really fixated on orange, but no other viable link color have been proposed. | 17:42 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: it's black and it's a link | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, so it's really "capacitive" and not capacitive then ;-) | 17:42 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect the battery is "2400mAh" and not 2400 mAh too ;-) | 17:42 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: BTW there is a huge difference between link in a text and a Title | 17:43 |
| RST38h | General: Should I file bug tracker for Talk or for website in general? | 17:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Links colors should go under Newstyle. | 17:44 |
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| RST38h | Understood | 17:44 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: Anyway, I will not criticize new style anymore cause it's senseless | 17:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, specific improvement suggestions are good. Generic "it sucks" are not. | 17:45 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: I've made a huge post bout specific improvements. Only one was actually made | 17:46 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: Headline links were added (which are black too btw) | 17:47 |
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| RST38h | wazd, General: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4467 | 17:47 |
| RST38h | I hope the description is neutral enough and will satisfy both the web site maintainers and the ITT crowd | 17:48 |
| RST38h | Orange-on-gray will of course stay the default color, so the branding is retained | 17:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: I should have another account to confirm? | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | wazd: I think bugzilla accounts are separate from maemo ones | 17:50 |
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| wazd | RST38h: eeh... I had only "leave as unconfirmed" option | 17:54 |
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| RST38h | wazd: oh you can't confirm it yourself | 17:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: But you can vote for it and if enough people vote it gets autoconfirmed | 17:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Confirming isn't all that excitingly important here. | 17:55 |
| RST38h | wazd: Find "Vote for this bug" link, click on it and check it | 17:56 |
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| radic | Stskeeps: the Themes are not in /home/user? | 19:47 |
| Meizirkki | /usr/share/themes ? | 19:47 |
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| radic | Meizirkki: I have some dataloss in /home/user now the theme wouldn't be loaded correctly | 19:51 |
| radic | I restored a backup, I hope it helps | 19:54 |
| radic | no, it didn't | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | whoa | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | where'd the orange writing go? | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | (in titles) | 21:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, gone, apparently. :P | 21:47 |
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| RST38h | ehhehe | 21:49 |
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| RST38h | "All personnel working around SCP-807 must be well-fed, and should preferably wear oral restraints to prevent accidental ingestion." | 22:03 |
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| Jaffa | Ev'nin all | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | White wine at in-laws with Torchwood marathon. Great | 22:14 |
| Jaffa | Not even articles on p.m.o can bring me down :) | 22:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Livin' high, and having fun, eh? | 22:15 |
| * johnx reads chinese forums through google translate | 22:17 | |
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| RST38h | umm... why? | 22:20 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Wine helps at the in-laws' ;-) | 22:20 |
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| GAN800 | A 15" laptop really is a battleship. | 22:35 |
| reset | hello | 22:35 |
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| reset | anybody knows if exists a project for maemo running over nokia 5800?? | 22:36 |
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| RST38h | no | 22:46 |
| johnx | RST38h, the SmartQ 5 | 22:47 |
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| RST38h | johnx: I am hearing about SmartQ since Sts got his this morning. What exactly is the big deal? It looks like a generic Chinese PMP, is there something special about it? | 22:50 |
| johnx | RST38h, 1) it's cheap and commonly available in China 2) it's as open (maybe more open?) than the N8x0 devices were on launch | 22:51 |
| johnx | but the emphasis is on 1. It's actually a big deal over there | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | Hmm, interesting | 23:00 |
| * RST38h thought hundreds of PMPs are commonly available in China, a market in Taipei certainly made me believe that | 23:00 | |
| johnx | RST38h, hundreds of open, linux-running PMPs with a company that's actually providing support and firmware updates? | 23:01 |
| johnx | honestly, I don't know why this is so big, but I think it struck the same chord with the Chinese Linux community as the N8x0 struck with the US/CA/EU Linux community | 23:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Most of the "MP4" and "MP5" PMPs are rockchip based, this is arm-based.. :) | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | johnx: Interesting... | 23:07 |
| RST38h | johnx: I actually thought a lot of these devices were pretty open to begin with, but that is probably because I was looking from developer's point of view | 23:08 |
| RST38h | I mean, commercial developer | 23:08 |
| johnx | yeah, I think (at least some people) are actually getting tired of pirating crappy half-working programs and having no recourse | 23:09 |
| suihkulokki | It was curious to find out a mips-based linux laptop had open documentation | 23:10 |
| suihkulokki | ..but only in chinese | 23:10 |
| johnx | ah, that mips thing? I saw one of those at a little shop once :) | 23:10 |
| johnx | I think | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | There are several :) | 23:10 |
| suihkulokki | several based on same design | 23:10 |
| johnx | it was like a MIPS, 64MB of RAM, Linux and a 480x320 7" screen. | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | There's a family of them with MIPS, 512 - 2 gig of ram, 1024x600 9" too | 23:11 |
| johnx | that sounds much more worthwhile | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Lemote YeeLoong 8089, for example | 23:12 |
| johnx | the one I played with cost almost as much as the original eeePC, and was at almost the same weight... | 23:12 |
| RST38h | suihkulokki: Actually, I think I have English language documentation for it :) | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | But not, I would not suggest a MIPS based laptop to anyone | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | Only reason why you'd get it though is if you're a free (as in GNU) fanatic... it costs more than a low end EEE for similar performance and hungrier power consumption | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Products/CFL-002 | 23:13 |
| johnx | I highly doubt it's as fast as even the original eeePC... | 23:13 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah it isn't | 23:13 |
| RST38h | MIPS devices are actually cheaper than ARM ones but, again, the architecture is mightily outdates | 23:13 |
| RST38h | outdated | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | Stallman has that one as his primary computer :-) | 23:14 |
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| ShadowJK | (after olpc embraced windows) | 23:14 |
| johnx | heh, as long as it runs emacs, huh? | 23:14 |
| RST38h | Well, Stallman walks around the town with a kettle and a supermarket bag with tea packs | 23:14 |
| RST38h | (or so the legend says anyway) | 23:14 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah... and tinfoil | 23:15 |
| johnx | actually, that's kinda cool | 23:15 |
| johnx | 335EU is a little high though | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | It's "kinda cool", I don't know why, but I think so too :-) | 23:15 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: what? MIPS architecture is awesome | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | I've been tempted to get one... but then I remind myself of what kind of EEE or Acer you could get for 335 | 23:16 |
| RST38h | luke: Have you actually tried programming for mips? | 23:16 |
| johnx | at 335 or so, the HP mini looks really nice | 23:16 |
| RST38h | in assembler? | 23:16 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: yes, and reverse engineered | 23:16 |
| RST38h | and how is that academic monstrosity better than arm? | 23:17 |
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| LiraNuna | anyone else gets 96/100 in ACID3 in Tear? | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | now you're asking for a relative comparison | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | I don't know ARM asm | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | you could compare it to itanium | 23:17 |
| johnx | LiraNuna, me too. Bundyo was getting 100/100 a couple weeks ago | 23:17 |
| luke-jr | I don't know Itanium asm either | 23:17 |
| LiraNuna | luke-jr, ARM has 16 registers, all 16bit | 23:18 |
| LiraNuna | 32bit* | 23:18 |
| LiraNuna | named r0 to r15 | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | ok | 23:18 |
| luke-jr | MIPS has 32x 32-bit regs | 23:18 |
| LiraNuna | asm is similar to mips, but you don't have a 'dst' | 23:18 |
| LiraNuna | add r0, r1 | 23:19 |
| LiraNuna | r0 += r1 | 23:19 |
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| luke-jr | LiraNuna: this is a good thing? | 23:19 |
| LiraNuna | you can also inline shift, mov r0, r1, lsl#3 | 23:20 |
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| LiraNuna | which is r0 = r1 << 3 | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | MIPS is RISC ;) | 23:20 |
| LiraNuna | I know that, but the syntax is similar | 23:20 |
| LiraNuna | just no dst | 23:20 |
| RST38h | luke: You can't use most of MIPS registers because they are allocated by ABI or the OS | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: that's an ABI/OS issue | 23:21 |
| RST38h | luke: You do not have conditional opcode execution, builtin shifts, you can't load more than 16bit integer in a single instruction | 23:21 |
| RST38h | luke: When you are the one programming it, it is YOUR issue. | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: what stops an OS from using fewer registers? | 23:22 |
| RST38h | Let us see....mm....Ah, I forgot that once MIPS encounters a potential stall it just continues running, corrupting your state | 23:22 |
| RST38h | So the assembler automatically inserts NOPs for stalls :) | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | sure you understand that? | 23:22 |
| RST38h | luke: What stops you from eating concrete bricks? | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | instruction 3 is already started when instruction 1 finishes | 23:23 |
| RST38h | Yes, luke-jr, I understand that | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | luke-jr: write a program that does loads, stores, or branches, compile it with assembler, then look at the binary | 23:23 |
| * johnx makes some popcorn, grabs a drink | 23:24 | |
| luke-jr | RST38h: yes, I agree GCC could use some better MIPS optimizations ;) | 23:24 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: Ask yourself why some of your instructions take 2x32bit words, not just one | 23:24 |
| RST38h | Oh dear | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | how do you expect to load a 32-bit value with only a single 32-bit word | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | ? | 23:24 |
| RST38h | It is not about optimizations. It is about an architectural feature where MIPS does not stall no matter what | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | define 'stall'? | 23:24 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: Do exactly what I said. See what happens. Google for the definition of "stall". | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | Google doesn't know | 23:25 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instruction_pipelining | 23:27 |
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| luke-jr | RST38h: looks like a safeguard for incorrect code | 23:29 |
| ssvb | luke-jr: looks like not having stalls implemented in HW restricts the possibilities to make a new CPU core with higher latencies which is still compatible with the binaries built for old CPUs | 23:31 |
| derf | ssvb: If Intel had had that restriction, we wouldn't have had the abomination known was the Pentium 4. | 23:32 |
| LiraNuna | ^ lol. | 23:32 |
| derf | *as | 23:33 |
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| RST38h | luke-jr: you need a junior-level college class on comp arch | 23:35 |
| ssvb | derf: no, we would probably have itanic by now :) | 23:36 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: Anything taught by Hennessy&Patterson book will do. BTW, Hennessy is the guy who headed the MIPS project | 23:36 |
| johnx | ...also makes some good booze | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | ssvb: maybe my code EXPECTS the pipeline ;) | 23:38 |
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| RST38h | pipelines by themselves are no problem | 23:42 |
| RST38h | They are actually good for you =) | 23:42 |
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