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| johnsq | labaudio: you need xauth... or enable tcp clients on your computer X11 | 00:06 |
| labaudio | yes but i cant find xauth | 00:07 |
| labaudio | you think tcp client on my pc X11 resolved that | 00:07 |
| johnsq | labaudio: get the source and build it or somebody who builds it for you | 00:07 |
| labaudio | you read in my mind | 00:08 |
| labaudio | lol | 00:08 |
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| johnsq | labaudio: yes, than on your pc xhost +your_n8x0 | 00:09 |
| labaudio | but i wantt run directly in ssh not in xhost | 00:10 |
| labaudio | in fact this xauth is bug jar | 00:10 |
| labaudio | damn | 00:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I can see Modest's formatting and quoting are going to be just as awful as always. | 00:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | If we get one goddamn thing from the Fremantle upgrade, can it please be plaintext emails that DON'T DOUBLEWRAP?! | 00:20 |
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| lbt | FYI I have a basic 'SDK' for Mer now. | 00:37 |
| lbt | ie a simple command that sets up a qemu build env that allows us to build for Mer | 00:37 |
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| xnt14[work] | ls /etc/san47/config/firewall | 02:15 |
| xnt14[work] | err wrong window xD | 02:16 |
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| wiretapped | my n810's battery died, hard | 03:07 |
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| wiretapped | device powers on for a few seconds, then turns off | 03:07 |
| wiretapped | won't charge | 03:07 |
| wiretapped | works fine with someone else's battery | 03:07 |
| wiretapped | any suggestions? | 03:08 |
| EdLin | wiretapped: buy a new battery? | 03:08 |
| wiretapped | i meant other than that | 03:08 |
| lcuk | steal your friends battery | 03:08 |
| wiretapped | has anyone tried charging their battery without the device? | 03:10 |
| lcuk | put your battery in friends device | 03:10 |
| wiretapped | i have access to a varibale power supply.. | 03:10 |
| lcuk | what happens | 03:10 |
| wiretapped | i haven't tried yet | 03:10 |
| lcuk | then, if you still insist on hard wiring the battery with a psu, do yourself a favour and call the fire brigade first | 03:11 |
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| javispedro | oh well I'm calling it a day | 04:10 |
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| javispedro | i've got up to the point where dead keys now work | 04:10 |
| javispedro | and fn combinations (which I broke) | 04:10 |
| javispedro | but not chr+anything | 04:11 |
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| fauxmight | ping Luke-jr | 04:25 |
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| tl | how to add icons for my application ? | 04:48 |
| tl | i just want to add a icon on GtkButon | 04:48 |
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| ShadowJK | wiretapped, variable power supply? like a lab powersupply? does it have exact voltage setting and current limiting? | 05:02 |
| ShadowJK | the current limiting is very important | 05:03 |
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| ShadowJK | you'd ideally also need a fireproof area and a way to measure the voltage and current :-) | 05:03 |
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| ShadowJK | start by setting current limit to 100mA and voltage to 4.1V. After the voltage across the battery has risen to 3.6 or 3.7 you cna probably increase the current to 500mA. As voltage increases, the power supply must start limiting current when it reaches 4.1V. At this point there should be sufficient charge to try it in the tablet. | 05:05 |
| ShadowJK | Don't do anything stupid like leave it attached to the powersupply overnight. That's not good. | 05:06 |
| ShadowJK | And as always when you're messing with lithium-ion batteries, supervise and monitor it constantly. Don't leave it unattended. | 05:06 |
| ShadowJK | The fumes and smoke in case it explodes/vents are toxic, don't inhale. | 05:06 |
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| ShadowJK | If the battery voltage is below 3.2Volt or so before you start, pay extra caution. Lithium-ion batteries lose performance and stability from extended time spent at low voltages. Monitor the temperature too. | 05:10 |
| ShadowJK | And if you're unsure, don't do it man. | 05:10 |
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| ds3 | there are simple charger chips | 05:14 |
| ds3 | ie something in a SOT23-5 package | 05:14 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah and there are also external chargers | 05:15 |
| ds3 | with a pinout like - GND, Vin1, Vin2, Battery, and status | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | Those chargers and chips are likely to also reject a too dead battery | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | for safety | 05:16 |
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| ds3 | some of them will handle the low voltage case | 05:16 |
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| ShadowJK | If you have something like a Cadex it will do it, sure.. but it has temperature probes and does it very very slowly at the start :) | 05:18 |
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| xnt14[away] | ~seen b-man16 | 05:24 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 12h 14m 32s ago, saying: ':P'. | 05:24 |
| * xnt14[away] wonders where the hell is b-man, seriosly...... | 05:24 | |
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| xnt14 | :P | 05:25 |
| xnt14 | i forgot to chnick xd | 05:25 |
| * xnt14 compiles lighttpd ;) | 05:25 | |
| xnt14 | hmmm | 05:25 |
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| Macer | In 48 hours your chance of having a heart attack will have decreased. All nicotine will have left your body. Your sense of taste and smell will return to a normal level. | 05:40 |
| Macer | 24 hours to go! | 05:40 |
| Macer | until all nicotine leaves my body! | 05:40 |
| ds3 | are you eating extract of angel trumpet leaves/flowers? | 05:42 |
| Macer | angel trumpet? | 05:43 |
| Macer | i am taking chantix pills | 05:43 |
| Macer | so maybe? :) | 05:43 |
| ds3 | Oh | 05:43 |
| ds3 | angel trumpet is a landscape plant | 05:44 |
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| wiretapped | ShadowJK: thanks for the tips. I think I'll just buy a new battery. | 06:06 |
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| zeev | Hi, what does the recent move of nokia towards Qt mean? Does it mean that all the official apps will be in Qt? | 08:59 |
| zeev | or only that Qt based apps could run on maemo? | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | more like the ui will be qt but gtk is installable | 09:03 |
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| zeev | why?? what's wrong with gtk? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | don't get me started.. :P | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, they want to be able to easily port symbian qt to maemo qt etc | 09:07 |
| Corsac | at least fremantle will still be gtk and harmatan is definitely not close | 09:08 |
| Corsac | :> | 09:08 |
| zeev | if it is only a port matter - does it mean, that once the transition is over they still can get back to gtk? | 09:10 |
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| zeev | and will the current official apps still be maintained? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | what official apps? :P | 09:11 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: like modest? | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 09:26 |
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| zeev | so the community will continue to maintain a parallel gtk version of UI? | 09:27 |
| zeev | is it probable? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | not of ui, of hildon and gtk | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | and community is an interesting word here | 09:29 |
| zeev | is it still worth to invest money in the next tablet for someone (me) who doesn't like Qt? | 09:30 |
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| Corsac | zeev: you don't like to *use* qt or you don't like to *code* qt? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | of course. the hw is delicious. and after spending a week with gobject, i'm sure you'll like qt. either way, next version is gtk based | 09:31 |
| Corsac | I don't think it's relevant for user-only | 09:31 |
| Corsac | I don't like qt look and feel, and really like gtk ones, but I don't think it'll really matter on the device | 09:31 |
| Corsac | the look&feel is already quite different on a device atm | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | qt look and feel depends on target anywayh | 09:32 |
| Corsac | so I don't think it'll be that painful to use a qt-based ui | 09:32 |
| Corsac | (if all apps are correctly integrated though) | 09:32 |
| zeev | but all third party apps will be in qt later | 09:32 |
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| Corsac | but if they use qt4 with the gtkstyle or gtk with the qt engine it should be quite consistent | 09:33 |
| Corsac | (I guess the latter) | 09:33 |
| Corsac | zeev: so what? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | skype's already qt on x86 i think | 09:33 |
| Corsac | vlc too | 09:34 |
| zeev | I don't like the way it looks... and I used to write apps using gtk | 09:34 |
| Corsac | yeah but gtk doesn't look the same on the tablet anyway | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | looks is theming | 09:34 |
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| Corsac | I really think you shouldn't worry | 09:34 |
| zeev | ok | 09:34 |
| zeev | :) | 09:34 |
| Corsac | it'll look different from your plain desktop, but hey, it's different anyway :) | 09:35 |
| Corsac | they can mess the ui in gtk too, btw | 09:35 |
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| zeev | what will happen to all the current projects? they will continue to write gtk or change to qt? | 09:35 |
| Corsac | depends, I guess | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | they can still use gtk, like we can use qt atm | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | zsss | 09:49 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:23 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 10:30 |
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| Stskeeps | moo jaffa, RST38h | 10:32 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 11:09 |
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| jaem | hey folks | 11:11 |
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| Stskeeps | wello jaem | 11:13 |
| jaem | how're things? | 11:13 |
| jaem | I just finished working on some desktop themeing a little while ago :D | 11:16 |
| jaem | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2511/3706694676_6761d2425b_o.png | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | they're okay | 11:17 |
| jaem | you have a SmartQ 5, right? | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:21 |
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| jaem | Stskeeps: how's the battery life on it? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | decent i'd say | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | better once we have backlight control etc under contro | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | l | 11:29 |
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| lcuk | oh no | 12:07 |
| lcuk | i have just been told about a casualty :( my work days are not gonna be the same again for a while | 12:08 |
| lcuk | my beloved big cup got broked :'( | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 12:08 |
| lcuk | i brought it all the way back from berlin at the summit | 12:09 |
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| lcuk | i hope amsterdam have good replacements lol | 12:10 |
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| rmt | Okey.. even without AppCache (but with local storage), I can use document.domain to set the context, then do some things online and some things offline in webkit under maemo. | 12:14 |
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| rmt | Just have to store the scripts on the device itself. | 12:14 |
| RST38h | ehlo lcuk | 12:14 |
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| rmt | So .. what this means is that the current Tear (with svn webkit, as found in the forums) can be used for offline web apps. | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | a usual way? | 12:24 |
| rmt | The proper way is for Tear to support WebKit's AppCache functionality .. I think it has to be compiled into webkit (may already be), and then Tear has to initiate the saving of the app. | 12:26 |
| rmt | And provide info such as online/offline to it | 12:26 |
| rmt | Opened a feature request on tear. | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | *nod* | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | Cool | 12:30 |
| lcuk | hiya RST38h | 12:35 |
| lcuk | jaffa, are you a qualified pilot yet? | 12:35 |
| Jaffa | Not yet; need to look into appmenus over the weekend | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | And fix the sysfs parsing | 12:38 |
| * Jaffa might play with something to do a Cube Racer-style game. | 12:38 | |
| Jaffa | Separate project, I think. | 12:39 |
| RST38h | "Censorship of written material is off the agenda for now: and for that we may need to thank Lord Falconers intense interest in suicide." | 12:40 |
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| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: tell me about nanojit | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | irc.mozilla.org has people better suited to such a task :) | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i presume you've read https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Nanojit ? | 12:45 |
| |thunder | 3 needed in #urtpu | 12:45 |
| |thunder | 3 needed in #urtpug | 12:45 |
| suihkulokki | thats the kind of page i was looking for, thanks | 12:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: i'm hungry | 12:48 |
| suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: meritähti? | 12:48 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i could do that. i'm at home, so it'll take me about 25mins assuming i go now (which i should) | 12:49 |
| suihkulokki | ok | 12:49 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for clothing | 12:50 | |
| lbt | suihkulokki: having issues with networking in qemu | 12:51 |
| lbt | "Unsupported ancillary data: 1/29" | 12:51 |
| lbt | do you know anything :) | 12:51 |
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| lbt | http://pastebin.com/d6c63627c | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | arh.. don't tell me my charging pin broke in my n810 | 12:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: my charging pin broke in my e61i | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | a friend used his teeth to remove it for me :) | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | another friend's e61's pin receptor failed, so i've loaned him my 770 as a dedicated charger :) | 12:54 |
| suihkulokki | lbt: feel free to provide a patch, I've never used raw sockets/icmp on linux-user :) | 12:54 |
| lbt | use a neodymidium magnet... it works in cartoons. | 12:55 |
| lcuk | lbt, magnets dont stick to teeth | 12:56 |
| lcuk | but they can be used to shatter them | 12:56 |
| lcuk | warning: do not insert magnets into mouth ;) | 12:56 |
| lbt | suihkulokki: OK... it seems to work; wasn't sure if there was a known issue or a common problem (like not having /proc) | 12:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: ok, i'm off to meri | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i should be there in 15mins or so | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll spot me? | 13:00 |
| suihkulokki | I presume so | 13:00 |
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| timelyN81 | Gah, phone rebooted | 13:05 |
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| suihkulokki | heads out -> | 13:09 |
| VDVsx | GAN800, in case you didn't noticed yet: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/07/09/nokia-5800-xpressmusic-gets-america-flavored-firmware-update/ | 13:09 |
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| timelyN81 | Passing nokia now | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: remove pin or pull a tad out? :P | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it wasn't entirely in | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | he managed to get it out | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:51 |
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| man_in_pda | anyone use tear? i'm wondering if it normally asks for username and password when required | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | normally - it fails on some pages i think | 14:26 |
| qwerty12_N810 | man_in_pda: I have to use http://user:pass@site | 14:27 |
| man_in_pda | ty qwerty12_N810 | 14:27 |
| man_in_pda | and Stskeeps | 14:27 |
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| ShadowJK | wiretapped: do you have a voltmeter/multimeter? do you know how to use it? would be interested in battery voltage of your deadish battery | 14:43 |
| lcuk | which is better - bacon or lemon cheesecake (or include your own) | 14:45 |
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| ShadowJK | that's a trick question | 14:48 |
| RST38h | lcuk: second. | 14:49 |
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| ShadowJK | you start with the cheesecake. when you start feeling ill from all the sugar you balance it with the bacon | 14:50 |
| ShadowJK | overbalabce it rather, so then you need the cheesecake again | 14:51 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, really, i would eat bacon till im nearly bursting, then some lemon drizzle cake to top it off | 14:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, whats your problem with those suggestions, and whatsbetter | 14:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Dunno, neither feels healthy or tasty =) | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | then what do you suggest | 14:56 |
| lcuk | what is your feelgood munchable | 14:57 |
| lcuk | incase you cant tell, im hungry | 14:57 |
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| wazd_n800 | lo all | 14:57 |
| RST38h | lcuk: cheese in various forms usually does the job | 14:58 |
| RST38h | moo wazd | 14:58 |
| lcuk | hiya wazd | 14:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you and lbt need to talk, he likes his cheese too | 14:58 |
| lbt | Edam and salami on a baguette at the moment | 14:59 |
| adeus | anyone worked with qt plugins? | 15:00 |
| lcuk | freshly cut, or packet purchase? | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | youre making me hungry | 15:00 |
| lcuk | adeus, plugins for where | 15:00 |
| adeus | in generic | 15:00 |
| adeus | developing them | 15:00 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, thats the idea :) talking about food is good for your health | 15:00 |
| lbt | fresh baked baguette with butter. Still nice and warm actually | 15:01 |
| lcuk | yeah but to plugin you need a socket with its own special requirements | 15:01 |
| lbt | adeus: qt 'plugin' ? for what? | 15:01 |
| lcuk | i used to love hot crusty muffins from somerfield with butter melting | 15:01 |
| lcuk | each app that has a plugin arch whas its own api for what a plugin requires | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so... | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | suihkulokki and i talked a bit about locale switching | 15:02 |
| adeus | yes | 15:02 |
| adeus | and I have define my own plugin api | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | we suspect it might be possible to get locale switching to work a bit better | 15:02 |
| adeus | defined | 15:02 |
| lcuk | for instance, liqbase expects its plugins to complete a function with the same name as the plugin itself and to return a new instance of the app | 15:02 |
| timeless_mbp | if we could enhance the dbus daemon and maemo launcher to be able to switch the LANG var | 15:02 |
| adeus | but anyway the question was that can I load the same plugin library file twice | 15:02 |
| lbt | adeus: do you mean shared libraries? | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but this would only work if gtk and friends don't do anything w/ LANG | 15:03 |
| lcuk | why load same plugin library twice? | 15:03 |
| adeus | I change it in between? | 15:03 |
| lcuk | just make sure your API has a constructor method | 15:03 |
| lcuk | then call that constructor multip[le times per instance required | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise we'd probably need to setup a secondary dbus/launcher and have the original one chain/become dormant to the replacement | 15:04 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway... it's something someone could research :) | 15:04 |
| lcuk | liqcell_quickcreatevis("liqbrightness1", "liqbrightness", 0,0,100,100); maps to call the liqbrightness_create(); function inside the plugin | 15:04 |
| adeus | the issue is that when I call pluginloader.load() and instance(), the changes to the file are not seen | 15:05 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, how often does lang change under normal situation? | 15:05 |
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| lbt | adeus: you probably want #qt for pure Qt issues | 15:05 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: depends on what a normal situation is :) | 15:05 |
| lcuk | yeah, this isnt a specifically maemo issue | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if the device is only used for demos or in large groups where it's shared a lot | 15:06 |
| adeus | yeah I'll do that | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | then it's often | 15:06 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, i dont think regular users often change languages multiple times a day | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if the device is only used by one person, then it's never | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i haven't met many regular users :) | 15:06 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: but mostly, it's incredibly gross that a system would have to restart to change languages | 15:07 |
| timeless_mbp | neither OS X nor Windows require it | 15:07 |
| lcuk | i know, but your special case could be handled differently to the normal process | 15:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | (nor does S40, and as it happens i've seen non nokia Symbian phones which can too) | 15:07 |
| lcuk | what happens to all the other apps whene you change | 15:08 |
| lcuk | do most just respond properly | 15:08 |
| lcuk | or do they need restarting | 15:08 |
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| ShadowJK | I can't even figure out how to change language in windows | 15:09 |
| lcuk | i thought you needed a new cd to change language | 15:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I think they only sell it for one language and you need their mui shit | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | would be handy though, to be able to set language to the same used buy whoever is badgering me on the phone for techsupport | 15:10 |
| * lcuk calls ShadowJK from outer mongolia | 15:11 | |
| ShadowJK | though most computers in "real life" in use by "normal people" end up trilingual anyway | 15:11 |
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| ShadowJK | no wonder people think computers are hard to use and understand :) | 15:12 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, rly? | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 15:12 |
| Macer | oh man this quitting smoking | 15:12 |
| Macer | i seriously feel like shit now | 15:13 |
| lcuk | my computer has been set to UK/Northern since i got it | 15:13 |
| lcuk | its not had any problems | 15:13 |
| ShadowJK | Ok imagine you were welsh and the languages was more... alive | 15:13 |
| lcuk | macer its tough. | 15:13 |
| * lcuk sits on fence smoking watching macer struggle | 15:13 | |
| lcuk | im sorry, i cannot imagine im welsh | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | you might insist in the shop to get windows in welsh, or they might just have it ask which version to install when you boot it first time (this is done by ms currently) | 15:14 |
| lcuk | but even if so, "welsh and english" are bilingual | 15:14 |
| * RST38h always sets his computers to US/English and forgets about it | 15:15 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: You are being tricked! That is not English. | 15:15 |
| RST38h | (oh, also setting default charset to cp1251 Cyrillic, Windows thankfully makes it separate from the language) | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | then you want to play a game, and install english language latest directx because it's the only one you can find | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | soon it's a mishmash | 15:16 |
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| Macer | lcuk: haha | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | in the case here, people first pick their own language if available, then the other domestic language, and then fall back to english | 15:17 |
| Macer | qwerty12_N810: our nuclear arsenal says it is the right english! | 15:17 |
| Macer | :) | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | after a year or two the first dialogs where computer uses 3 languages in a single sentence appear :P | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Yes, folks, fight it out in the Ring of Death =) | 15:17 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Macer: :P | 15:17 |
| lcuk | macer, my brolley and bowler hat will protect me if you strike | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Bonus points to the side that uses its nukes first =) | 15:18 |
| * lcuk has a stiff upper lip and an unlimited supply of tea and biscuits | 15:18 | |
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| Macer | haha | 15:18 |
| Macer | RST38h: too late. we already did ;) | 15:18 |
| RST38h | Macer: Let us label that one time a medical test =) | 15:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: most apps on our system have historically supported a mode where they serialized their state and quit | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | so, those apps would be sent the signal to do so, and then would be woken up again but with the new LANG | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | there aren't many exceptions... | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | (browser is one, but it tends to restart often enough anyway) | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, fair enough then | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, too little too late. | 15:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | Requires Windows. | 15:24 |
| lcuk | does microb have the crash-resume code inside it | 15:24 |
| lcuk | (the one that restores your tabs..) | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | it has its own crash resume | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | which restores much less | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes, try killing the right browserd w/ a signal | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and watch | 15:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've also found that Nokia Maps will occasionally arbitrarily decide to direct you to a different address than the one you entered. | 15:25 |
| lcuk | fair enough, can you just listen for the supported shutdown now mode | 15:25 |
| lcuk | isnt that watchdog thingy | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser could be enhanced to deal w/ the lang change thing, yeah | 15:25 |
| * lcuk turned all that off for other reasons | 15:25 | |
| RST38h | General: It is stimulating your curiosity | 15:25 |
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| * RST38h ducks | 15:26 | |
| lcuk | bringing out the explorer in you and checking if you are actually senile or not | 15:26 |
| lcuk | if you dont notice it sent you wrong it detects this and calls a doctor | 15:26 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, yeah that's shame, they have to rewrite the update tool in Qt ;),I usually use a windows VM for that. | 15:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: calls doctor to the original address, due to a programming error | 15:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I don't have the time or energy to deal with bullshit like that. | 15:27 |
| lcuk | sod that, sends current gps to the doctors device | 15:27 |
| lcuk | so he can do the test himself.. | 15:27 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Wasn't original Nokia PC Suite written in Java? | 15:29 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, dunno, but the new tool (Ovi) is written in Qt | 15:31 |
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| Macer | deep breaths | 15:32 |
| Macer | heh | 15:32 |
| * Macer HEE HEE WHOOOO | 15:33 | |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I'm obligated to deal with that crap, there's no good symbian tools for linux, so I need a windows vm :( | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The determination that I've come to is that there's no good Symbian. | 15:33 |
| Corsac | hmhm, that means nokia phones should be avoided? | 15:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 15:34 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Not all run Symbian | 15:34 |
| Corsac | the non symbian ones are not crap? | 15:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Until Nokia manages to do a better job at delivering a quality, well-supported product than Nokla, yes. | 15:35 |
| RST38h | General <-- obviously never played with Nokla | 15:35 |
| Corsac | (anyway, I'll take a n9xx when it'll come, so I have PIM *and* phone) | 15:35 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Never really needed any of Nokia's PC tools, it works as a USB mass storage and that is all it has to do | 15:36 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, and the frw updates ? | 15:37 |
| VDVsx | well, I like my symbian phones, but really hate the developers tools :( | 15:37 |
| adeus | well who doesn't.. | 15:38 |
| adeus | they're sooo from the 90s | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: I managed to install a lobotomized piece of the PC Suite for that | 15:40 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Actually, deleting it after updating firmware as it install multiple background programs | 15:41 |
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| * RST38h got almost used to Symbian dev tools | 15:41 | |
| VDVsx | RST38h, it works in other OS's or only win ? | 15:42 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Windoze only | 15:42 |
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| adeus | and barely in that | 15:47 |
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| RST38h | Yes, it makes you think people who write their own build systems (as opposed to make) should be moved up in the hitlist | 15:48 |
| RST38h | But at least they did not use Java and did not mandate use of Eclipse | 15:49 |
| adeus | they have carbide now.. | 15:49 |
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| RST38h | Which I never used and not going to | 15:49 |
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| adeus | I' | 15:53 |
| adeus | try to avoid it as much as I can | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Well it can be safely ignored | 15:54 |
| adeus | but very soon I have to play around with qt tower | 15:54 |
| adeus | hopefully the console compiler is enough.. | 15:54 |
| RST38h | I would also LOVE to ignore the build system but it does not seem to be possible | 15:54 |
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| Macer | eureka is back | 15:58 |
| Macer | :) | 15:58 |
| * Macer loves eureka | 15:58 | |
| Macer | at least i did | 15:58 |
| Macer | it started to get shitty after teh strike. then again a lot of shows did. guess all the good writers got their cut and the world was left with the scrubs | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | Macer, back as in new episodes to watch? or in production? | 16:03 |
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| Macer | lcuk: new ones | 16:04 |
| Macer | new one comes on tonight :) | 16:04 |
| Macer | they are picking up season3 | 16:05 |
| Macer | where the writers strike left them off | 16:05 |
| Macer | instead of starting a new season thus ruining dvd sales | 16:05 |
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| Macer | haha | 16:05 |
| Macer | they'd have to charge less for a season3 dvd/bray box set | 16:05 |
| Macer | :) | 16:05 |
| Macer | i'm gonig to have to go to work today | 16:06 |
| Macer | bastards | 16:06 |
| Macer | i will just go in at night when nobody is there and disappear into the shadows at dawn :) | 16:06 |
| Macer | and leave notes | 16:06 |
| Macer | haha | 16:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | !seen andre_ | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone help me? :) | 16:11 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ~seen andre_ | 16:11 |
| infobot | andre_ <n=andre@berlin-gw.trolltech.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 59d 13m 47s ago, saying: 'andrewfblack: actually I think he came here first....'. | 16:11 |
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| infobot | andre__ <n=andre@85.183.48.167> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 4h 19m 11s ago, saying: 'caoticM, yeah, that's the latest'. | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: anyway, i need help now :).... Macer would you be my helper? | 16:15 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: depends on what, I don't exactly have the best resources available to me being on a tablet :P | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i just need someone to find upstream for "sofia sip" | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | "They call it fuel versatility, as gasoline, diesel, and solar power may also be used if available, yet we'll offer no prizes for predicting which energy source these chainsaw-equipped robots will prefer." | 16:29 |
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| Macer | chainsaw equipped robots? | 16:42 |
| Macer | uhm | 16:42 |
| Macer | are they having a prize to see who can make the best tree chopping robot? | 16:42 |
| Macer | i would say to make one that sends its sawdust into a bin that burns and creates steam with a long hose hooked up to a tank full of distilled water | 16:43 |
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| Macer | it's a shame the only way we can make power is by using steam and turbines still :) | 16:43 |
| Macer | well.. realistic power that is haha | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Well there is quite a few other ways | 16:43 |
| Macer | nothing that can realistically be used on large scales at a practical cost though | 16:44 |
| RST38h | On large scales you can just as well skip on electricity | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | (see internal combustion engine =)) | 16:45 |
| Macer | heh | 16:45 |
| Macer | that isn't a practical method :) | 16:45 |
| Macer | it uses fuel too quickly | 16:45 |
| RST38h | [looking outside] Looks pretty practical to me =) | 16:45 |
| Macer | haha | 16:45 |
| Macer | still sucks to keep refueling ice generators | 16:46 |
| Macer | especially if you're the poor bastard that has to do it | 16:46 |
| lcuk | why, do you have trouble finding cadavers? | 16:46 |
| Macer | heh | 16:46 |
| lcuk | they make excellent fuel | 16:47 |
| Macer | the majority of power on the planet is made from steam still though | 16:47 |
| Macer | you would think that by now we would find a better way to accelerate electrons | 16:47 |
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| Macer | wtf. like it's the 1920s or something still :) | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | abusing the expansion and low hanging fruit of boiling off water is still a reasonable thing to do | 16:49 |
| lcuk | i just wish more power stations supplied runoff water for nearby homes though - cooling towers are so wasteful | 16:50 |
| GAN800 | I want the barcode reader already. | 16:51 |
| GAN800 | I'm tired of typing in a bunch of crap to get reviews of stuff | 16:51 |
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| Macer | lcuk: i'm in chicago | 16:53 |
| Macer | we have a huge water supply and could care less haha | 16:53 |
| Macer | we just dont understand the concept of saving water | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally pondering how much of a mental shift it'll be to have to move to a city where tap water isn't drinkable | 16:54 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i agree. i hear nyc has bad water. as do most of the southern states in the US | 16:54 |
| Macer | I guess it is difficult to make water in the desert :) | 16:54 |
| Macer | a lot of california has their water pumped from hundreds of miles away over mountains by giant pumps | 16:55 |
| Macer | talk about a crappy place to live haha | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Which city? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: moving to warsaw in september | 16:55 |
| RST38h | Sts: I would guess it is drinkable, just not when done regularly :) | 16:56 |
| Macer | i think the comedian sam kinison said it best when he said "Don't send people money who live in the desert because they're poor. Send them luggage. You see this? This is sand. You know what it is going to be in a million years? IT'S GOING TO BE FUCKING SAND!" | 16:56 |
| RST38h | Sts: Is it *officially* undrinkable or is it just a word of mouth? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well sufficient that people fetch ground water from stations around the city | 16:57 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: don't move to poland | 16:57 |
| Macer | poles get no respect | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: a bit too late for redeciding by now :) | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm a dane, not a pole :P | 16:57 |
| Macer | heh | 16:57 |
| Macer | doesn't matter | 16:57 |
| Macer | your children will be poes | 16:57 |
| Macer | poles | 16:58 |
| RST38h | Sts: They do it all the time here too, because the ground water is considered cleaner and tastier | 16:58 |
| Macer | we have a huge pole population in chicago | 16:58 |
| Macer | i think only 2nd to warsaw | 16:58 |
| lcuk | macer, im talking about making use of the heat and energy available in water | 16:59 |
| lcuk | the stuff they cannot use for power generation | 16:59 |
| Macer | you mean providing free heating for homes nearby? :) | 16:59 |
| Macer | by running hot water lines into radiators ? | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Sts: Generally, if you do not want to drink tap water, just boil it and keep it in the kettle | 16:59 |
| lcuk | yeah, some do it | 17:00 |
| Macer | heh. no because then the power company would get sued | 17:00 |
| Macer | by some idiot that burns himself on the provided radiator | 17:00 |
| lcuk | boiling water and keeping it in the kettle does NOT give you pure water | 17:00 |
| lcuk | you have to distill it | 17:00 |
| Macer | and of course they would lose because they are big industry | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i know - it's just weird coming from a place where we have sane tap water :) | 17:00 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Drinking distilled water is bad for your health | 17:00 |
| Macer | and courts love to beat up big industry for some reason | 17:00 |
| Macer | like the dumb bitch that sued mcdonalds because she burned herself with the mcdonalds coffee | 17:00 |
| lcuk | i would rather do that than drink impure water | 17:01 |
| lcuk | macer, it happens, some places use it | 17:01 |
| Macer | no shit capt. mensa.. the coffee is hot.. how about you be a little careful with it | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Sts: I am almost sure Warsaw has reasonably sane tap water, just check what their sanitary control organization says | 17:01 |
| lcuk | i just wish it was more | 17:01 |
| Macer | heh | 17:01 |
| lcuk | RST38h, put seawater in your kettle, boil it and then drink it | 17:01 |
| lcuk | will it be clean or will it still be salty? | 17:01 |
| Macer | she was probably on her cell while putting on makeup and changing the radio with hot coffee sitting in her lap | 17:01 |
| Macer | lcuk: depends on how you cook it | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: no idea: I have never had seawater nearby :) | 17:02 |
| Macer | at the right temp the vapor should be only water | 17:02 |
| Macer | which you can collect if you are hardcore | 17:02 |
| lcuk | the pure water will boil off, leaving the residue as a HIGHER concentration of crap | 17:02 |
| Macer | even better would be to add a little vacuum to it :) | 17:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Also, I doubt there is seawater in Warsaw water mains | 17:02 |
| Macer | to drop the boiling temp of the water | 17:02 |
| Macer | RST38h: in warsaw.. i would probably more likely boil the water just to make sure tehre wasn't disease | 17:03 |
| lcuk | ok, put sewage into your kettle and boil it | 17:03 |
| lcuk | then drink | 17:03 |
| Macer | lcuk: same effect :) | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Why should there be? | 17:03 |
| Macer | you just need the proper vacuum and temp to distill the water | 17:03 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, just buy a filter of some kind and be done with it. | 17:03 |
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| RST38h | Macer: They ain't third world. They should have proper facilties | 17:04 |
| Macer | we shit in our water here.. it is constantly recycled by our water treatment | 17:04 |
| Macer | heh | 17:04 |
| Macer | RST38h: tell that to nyc and southern california | 17:04 |
| Macer | not to mention well water in other southern states that ruins teeth | 17:04 |
| RST38h | Macer: These guys are not NYC | 17:04 |
| Macer | why do you think yokels all have bad teeth? | 17:04 |
| Macer | bad well water | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | GAN800: ah, i'm not whining about it :) just a mental shift | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so hey... | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i need someone who can help me figure out where the heck sofia sip lives | 17:05 |
| RST38h | Macer: They are a relatively small former socialist country. They should have water treatment faciltiies | 17:05 |
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| Macer | RST38h: heh. after the nazis left it all went to crap in eastern europe | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: freshmeat? | 17:05 |
| Macer | russia took over and it was all down hill from there. so they probably have the same water treatment from ww2 | 17:06 |
| Macer | in a horrible state of affairs | 17:06 |
| GAN800 | Stskeeps, that's why you gotta get an undersink filter. | 17:06 |
| GAN800 | Don't even need to think about it. | 17:06 |
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| RST38h | Macer: that's another common mistake | 17:07 |
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| RST38h | Macer: They are a little backward, but not that badly | 17:07 |
| Macer | RST38h: :) | 17:08 |
| Macer | Situated in 56 hectares of the Bialol.ka borough in northeast Warsaw, Czajka WWTP was completed in 1991, after a building programme that took 17 years to come to a close. The lengthy construction meant that much of the technology and equipment was outdated by the time the plant came online, forcing the almost immediate start of a series of modernisations. | 17:08 |
| Macer | case closed | 17:09 |
| Macer | haha | 17:09 |
| RST38h | Macer: 17 years means the techology is no older than 1974 | 17:09 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Not a lot changed in water treatment since then. | 17:10 |
| Macer | the point is that it took poland 17 years to build a waste water treatement plant | 17:10 |
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| RST38h | Macer: And? | 17:10 |
| Macer | you don't see anything wrong with that? :) | 17:10 |
| RST38h | No. It is normal for an Estearn European socialist country. | 17:11 |
| Macer | it managed to produce respectable quality effluent by the standards of the time and represented a big advance on the previous arrangements . the discharge of untreated wastewater into the Vistula. | 17:11 |
| Macer | so for 17 years they were just sending untreated water into the Vistula | 17:12 |
| Macer | :) | 17:12 |
| RST38h | Actually for a much longer time :) | 17:12 |
| Macer | yeah haha | 17:12 |
| Macer | i'm sorry but poland just does not sound like a place where i would just simply put faith in its water | 17:12 |
| RST38h | So do a lot of other cities in the world though | 17:12 |
| Macer | sure. underdeveloped cities | 17:13 |
| Macer | it's ok. it's europe though | 17:13 |
| Macer | i'm sure it just flows into a neighboring country and kills them instead | 17:13 |
| Macer | :) | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Mmm...When you say "Europe" you obviously mean "Germany" or "UK"? | 17:13 |
| Macer | yeah. i don't think it's wise to include easter europe into the realm of europe | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Well, it has been done before you have got a chance to decide :) | 17:14 |
| Macer | maybe there should be a conference to go ahead and split europe at Germany's eastern border and turn anything east of that into asia | 17:15 |
| Macer | oh wait | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Yes, Moscow would absolutely LOVE that :) | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | pfft. | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:15 |
| Macer | we might have to jerrymander a few countries | 17:15 |
| Macer | :) | 17:15 |
| RST38h | Hehe | 17:15 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: hahaha | 17:15 |
| glass | Macer: the stuff that greenpeace complains about pales in comparision to soviet era(and thereafter) environment catastrophes | 17:16 |
| Macer | like chernobyl? | 17:16 |
| Macer | :) | 17:16 |
| glass | bigger stuff | 17:16 |
| RST38h | bigger, yes | 17:16 |
| Macer | haha | 17:16 |
| glass | in lost lives, lost livelihoods, pure stupidity etc | 17:16 |
| Macer | what made the soviet union so bad during the good old communist days | 17:17 |
| glass | lost lakes | 17:17 |
| Macer | is they never asked for help nor ever admitted anything was wrong | 17:17 |
| RST38h | why is it surprising? | 17:17 |
| glass | pretty much | 17:17 |
| Macer | it isn't | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | government rarely admits it's wrong | 17:17 |
| RST38h | exactly | 17:17 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: true.. but chernobyl? :) | 17:17 |
| glass | it's not like russians were free pre-soviet either | 17:17 |
| Macer | "EVERYTHING'S FINE" | 17:17 |
| Macer | glass: i guess that's true | 17:18 |
| Macer | :) | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Macer: that, again, is totally predictable | 17:18 |
| RST38h | You want to keep the lid on the problem for as long as possible | 17:18 |
| glass | RST38h: thats a drunkards fix | 17:18 |
| Macer | RST38h: haha.. yeah because everybody knows that a huge radioactive fire needs time to get the PR things smooth | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: economic crisis.. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:19 |
| glass | yeah economic crisis were far bigger | 17:19 |
| RST38h | glass: Yet, it is always done this way | 17:19 |
| glass | and they happened of stupid management etc | 17:19 |
| Macer | while it's pumping thousands of metric tons of radioactive debris into the atmosphere across all of europe :) | 17:19 |
| Macer | hahaha | 17:19 |
| RST38h | glass: On all levels, from lower level management all the way to the top | 17:19 |
| glass | RST38h: bleh.. it's not always done so crappily | 17:19 |
| RST38h | glass: Well, THAT particular time they have just got too big a problem :) | 17:20 |
| glass | problem is they've never had free press | 17:20 |
| glass | and after they have that, it takes 50y+ | 17:20 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: did they seriously think nobody would find out they had a huge nuclear plant catostraphe? | 17:20 |
| RST38h | glass: How would free press help preventing chernobyl? | 17:20 |
| Macer | i wonder how many people actually died because of it | 17:20 |
| RST38h | Macer: fewer than you think | 17:20 |
| Macer | considering russia only reported the numbers of the workers who were stuck running into it | 17:20 |
| glass | RST38h: fuck chernobyl, plants live there | 17:20 |
| Macer | glass: mutated plants :-D | 17:21 |
| Macer | maybe life's next step | 17:21 |
| Macer | haha | 17:21 |
| glass | RST38h: so? they created huge salt flats | 17:21 |
| glass | RST38h: elsewehre | 17:21 |
| glass | and because of that, ran out of food and stuff etc etc | 17:21 |
| Macer | realistically | 17:21 |
| Macer | free press would have been able to inspect the plant | 17:21 |
| Macer | and comment on its ability to run | 17:21 |
| RST38h | glass: you mean the Aral sea? | 17:21 |
| Macer | and the abilities of its workers | 17:21 |
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| Macer | raising questions about how certain things are done | 17:22 |
| glass | RST38h: it's just one of the well knowns and biggest | 17:22 |
| RST38h | Macer: Have you ever seena live journalist? | 17:22 |
| Macer | RST38h: so free press could very well have possibly prevented it :) | 17:22 |
| Macer | RST38h: sure. all the time | 17:22 |
| RST38h | glass: Actually not the biggest | 17:22 |
| RST38h | glass: Check out rocket fuel pollution in .KZ | 17:22 |
| Macer | we had them following us around in iraq a lot of the time.. which for us kind of sucked because we had to make sure they didn't get shot | 17:22 |
| glass | but then again all that pales in comparision to what stalin did just for kicks, or keeping civil unrest from happening or whatever | 17:23 |
| Macer | glass: he was worse than hitler | 17:23 |
| Macer | well.. almost maybe | 17:23 |
| RST38h | Macer: Can you honestly say that a typical (or smarter than typical) journalist has enough brain matter to inspect ANYTHING bigger than his navel? | 17:23 |
| Macer | RST38h: some do | 17:23 |
| glass | Macer: well difference with him and hitler is that hitler lost | 17:23 |
| Macer | glass: haha.. i guess that's true | 17:23 |
| RST38h | Ahha, we have finally got an obligatory Hitler reference | 17:23 |
| Macer | RST38h: do you think that if there was a report on a power plant here in the US and its inability to run that was reported in a newspaper | 17:24 |
| RST38h | glass: This is really comparing apples and oranges | 17:24 |
| Macer | that some govt agency because of the bad PR wouldn't run to it and start inspecting it head to toe ? :) | 17:24 |
| glass | RST38h: well, not really. both were insane,didn't trust anyone and killed people so much that they wouldn't have been able to hold position with free press | 17:24 |
| RST38h | glass: You compare Stalin's social crap with later environmental crap (systemic) with an isolated incident of Chernobyl | 17:24 |
| glass | of course this is all pretty useless chitchat | 17:25 |
| RST38h | glass: And then you for some reason compare them all to Hitler, just for kicks | 17:25 |
| glass | RST38h: impossible to talk about stalin without talking about hitler | 17:25 |
| RST38h | glass: Quite possible for me :) | 17:25 |
| glass | RST38h: ww2 was essential | 17:25 |
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| Macer | RST38h: i think hitler was awesome. and not because he was a murdering bastard.. but realistically. he proved that fascism works | 17:25 |
| RST38h | glass: Essential for what? | 17:25 |
| Macer | he was just the wrong guy leading the charge :) | 17:25 |
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| glass | RST38h: for stalin to stay in power even | 17:26 |
| RST38h | Macer: Only proved that fscism works for a limited amount of time | 17:26 |
| glass | RST38h: stalins biggest shit was post-ww2 | 17:26 |
| RST38h | glass: Absolutely unessential | 17:26 |
| Macer | RST38h: that is out for debate | 17:26 |
| RST38h | glass: And his biggest shit was BEFORE ww2, sorry | 17:26 |
| glass | no it wasnt | 17:26 |
| RST38h | glass: ok, give an example | 17:26 |
| Macer | RST38h: fascism does not have to be a cruel dictatorship | 17:26 |
| Macer | which it always winds up being | 17:27 |
| glass | RST38h: all eastern europe and soviet plight | 17:27 |
| Macer | if there was a proper fascist leader then it would work (i think) very well | 17:27 |
| glass | RST38h: it's not fun. have you ever talked to normal people who lived through it? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | glass: For eastern europe, it may have been the biggest shit | 17:27 |
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| glass | the millions and millions | 17:27 |
| RST38h | glass: For Russians the biggest shit was 1937, sorry | 17:27 |
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| Macer | lol! | 17:28 |
| glass | haha | 17:28 |
| * Macer goes away now | 17:28 | |
| glass | oh man | 17:28 |
| glass | high five macer | 17:28 |
| glass | i'm gonna continue my holiday | 17:28 |
| RST38h | glass: And believe me, eastern europe had it relatively easy | 17:28 |
| RST38h | glass: Easier than if they had Hitler instead, most likely. | 17:28 |
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| xnt14 | o.0 | 17:39 |
| * xnt14 likes the look of the new sf | 17:39 | |
| xnt14 | :) | 17:39 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: If I don't call XSendEvent() in QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand(), the keyboard doesn't show up. | 17:41 |
| fiferboy | Right | 17:41 |
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| fiferboy | And it is the XSendEvent that causes the flicker? | 17:42 |
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| coldboot | It's the call to msg->input_window = widget->winId(); that causes the widget in question to be converted to a native X window on the fly. | 17:42 |
| coldboot | Which is needed to put the winId() in the XEvent. | 17:42 |
| coldboot | If I take out the winId() call, then the keyboard shows up fine, but doesn't transfer keys to the text field. | 17:43 |
| fiferboy | Right. Do you still get the message containing the keycode in that case? | 17:43 |
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| coldboot | Yeah the message gets sent, but it won't get routed to the right widget since it doesn't have a winId(). | 17:45 |
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| fiferboy | Can we re-route it ourselves without using winId? | 17:45 |
| coldboot | That's why I'm trying to call x11ClientMessage directly, since it's the highest-level call that takes a QWidget*. | 17:45 |
| coldboot | But it simply doesn't work... | 17:45 |
| lcuk | did it work before you messed with it? | 17:46 |
| coldboot | Do you know who wrote the hildon input method? | 17:46 |
| lcuk | does anyone know you messed with it? | 17:47 |
| lcuk | can you get away with it? | 17:47 |
| coldboot | lcuk: It worked fine before I messed with it, but it flashes... | 17:47 |
| coldboot | lcuk: What do you mean get away with it? | 17:47 |
| lcuk | did you try the fix for your one special case? | 17:47 |
| lcuk | coldboot, amusing flowchart about fucking with things and breaking em ;) | 17:47 |
| lcuk | http://danielfranklingomez.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/problemsolving.jpg | 17:49 |
| coldboot | lcuk: I'm trying to filter out the key events specifically (HILDON_IM_UPP and HILDON_IM_LOW), and call qApp->x11ClientMessage() in that case, and call the usual XSendEvent() in all other cases. | 17:49 |
| coldboot | haha, I've seen this. | 17:50 |
| lcuk | yes, its not new | 17:50 |
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| lcuk | so your flickering has expanded beyond just one tiny area | 17:50 |
| coldboot | The flickering is always as it was. | 17:51 |
| lcuk | might i give you the number of a good cork factory as well as my contact at the rubber glove facility | 17:51 |
| coldboot | ha | 17:51 |
| lcuk | changing deep behaviour and rerouting messages here there and everywhere will lead to a massive game of whackamole, good luck with it | 17:52 |
| coldboot | It's the only idea I've got right now... | 17:52 |
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| coldboot | Who wrote qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp ? | 17:58 |
| RST38h | An evil man. | 18:00 |
| coldboot | Is there some subversion visualization like Trac setup for Maemo's svn repo? | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | there's viewcvs somewhere | 18:00 |
| lcuk | doesnt git have a blame function | 18:00 |
| coldboot | Did git import the history? | 18:01 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 18:01 |
| lcuk | i thought qt was around for longer than its maemo involvement | 18:01 |
| lcuk | and that part of dev mustv had revision history | 18:01 |
| lcuk | it doesnt make sense for the maemo bit to have none.. | 18:02 |
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| coldboot | Git blame shows it all from Antonio who just pushed the files into git in June. | 18:02 |
| coldboot | Oh wait, I think Antonio wrote it... | 18:03 |
| RST38h | Whatever history internal Qt svn had before, I do not see why they should publish it for everyone | 18:03 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Antonio probably did write it | 18:03 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: coldboot isn't changing HIM itself, just the way Qt is using it | 18:05 |
| coldboot | Does Antonio work for Nokia? | 18:07 |
| coldboot | Yep he does. | 18:07 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, whackamole | 18:13 |
| fiferboy | lcuk: ?? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | i never thought he was changing it - its the interactions it has been tied into | 18:13 |
| fiferboy | Ah, but why whackamole? | 18:14 |
| lcuk | changing how those interactions work will cause new bugs to pop up in unexpected places | 18:14 |
| fiferboy | Well, maybe | 18:14 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Reading about qinputcontext, it doesn't look like we should need to convert widgets into x11 windows | 18:15 |
| fiferboy | There are methods for sending a raw xevent to the widget to be interpreted | 18:15 |
| coldboot | What are they? | 18:15 |
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| coldboot | That would definitely help. | 18:15 |
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| fiferboy | x11FilterEvent is supposed to do that, and I think the re-implementation Antonio did just handles some special keys from HIM | 18:16 |
| coldboot | I tried calling x11FilterEvent() directly and it didn't work. | 18:17 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: x11FilterEvent is an override function, so it gets called when the inherited function needs it. | 18:33 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: So, when you have the winid line commented out it still pops up the keyboard and receives the keycode | 18:34 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: Where do you get the code? What function? | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | where do bluez bugs live? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | in the ether | 18:34 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: When I have the winid line commented out, it still pops up the keyboard, but the key doesn't get sent to the Qt text box. | 18:36 |
| coldboot | This is in: QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand | 18:36 |
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| fiferboy | But the key code is still received somewhere, right? | 18:36 |
| GAN800 | No wonder people think you need dedicated ebooks readers. The page turning mechanisms in most software are awful. | 18:38 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: It must be received somewhere, yeah. I turned on HIM_DEBUG, there will be lots of prints I can see. | 18:39 |
| GAN800 | Thank god for +/- | 18:39 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Can you put a qDebug() in x11FilterEvent and see if it is getting called when you press a key on the OSK? | 18:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4775 | 18:40 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah, doing that now. | 18:41 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: With HIM_DEBUG #defined, here is the transcript of me playing with shopper: http://pastie.org/541472 | 18:58 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Ah, interesting. x11FilterEvent() is called before sendHildonCommand(). | 19:05 |
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| eswartz_ | lizardo, are you there? | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: http://www2.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26366 | 19:33 |
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| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: cool; I'll get around to that $100 deal thing someday... :þ | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: i just poked them yesterday for sources and updates on the stuff | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | still, 152$ with free shipping is darn cheap | 19:36 |
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| Stskeeps | not sure 99$ + shipping would beat that | 19:37 |
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| coldboot | We have a SmartQ 5 and 7 at our office. | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, neat - where do you work? | 19:43 |
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| coldboot | Wireless Generation in Brooklyn, New York. | 19:43 |
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| * Stskeeps got a q5 donated by the peeps who make them | 19:43 | |
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| coldboot | Nice | 19:44 |
| coldboot | How did you swing that? | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | we got two donated to Mer, - we simply mailed them a bit out of the blue through a chinese contact :) | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | the product manager is a N800 owner himself and he knew of the Mer project | 19:45 |
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| coldboot | Where do you work? | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | me? at a university, until september, but regarding Mer i'm just a private person | 19:48 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 19:50 |
| xnt14 | YAY it works :) https://gni06.xceleo.org/ | 19:51 |
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| * xnt14 installs the certs on his nit and ipod.......... | 19:52 | |
| xnt14 | hmmm | 19:52 |
| coldboot | Is there some diff paste service? | 19:53 |
| coldboot | Where you can paste two files, and it'll show the diff? | 19:53 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | With pastebin, you can post a "follow up" and see the differences but you won't get a diff that you can apply with "patch" | 19:55 |
| xnt14 | mail.app on my ipod it utter crap on cert files....... | 19:55 |
| coldboot | pastebin.com? | 19:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | yep | 19:56 |
| coldboot | Oh cool. | 19:56 |
| coldboot | Doesn't do side by side, though. | 19:56 |
| xnt14 | the nit email + cert system is way better :P the ipod has to open settings.app to install a cert...... | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/tearfreerunner.png :> | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | (it's bloody bloody fast.) | 19:58 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: hehe, awesome | 19:59 |
| xnt14 | stskeeps: awesome ;) | 19:59 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, anybody know how to properly detect window visibility to stop updates when hidden? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-July/019911.html - thp's suggestion of window-state-event just doesn't work for me on Diablo | 19:59 |
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| Jaffa | Given the drum Nokia's been banging about making apps well behaved and save battery power, I'm surprised I can't find more info on doing this properly. | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: people forget how to do it really - the wiki page sounds like a very good idea | 20:00 |
| * Jaffa 'd write it happily, once he found a method which actually worked :-/ | 20:01 | |
| * xnt14 wonders what jackass at apple thought that it was a good idea to not allow the user to set his own ca certs as trusted...... | 20:01 | |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: window-state-event seemed to be borken for me too; at least fullscreen event worked but I wouldn't get one when the program was iconified (at least with a test pygtk program under diablo) | 20:01 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: That transcript is with the keyboard popping up and chars being sent back to the Qt widget properly? | 20:02 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah, without a code change. | 20:04 |
| fiferboy | So still flickering. | 20:04 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: I have a transcript with the winId() removed, and then with the winId() removed and calling x11FilterEvent() instead of XSendEvent(). | 20:04 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Are you trying to diff the log after the flicker fix to see what changes? | 20:05 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah | 20:05 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: Trying to see the code flow to see what breaks when you remove the winId. | 20:05 |
| fiferboy | That should be enlightening | 20:05 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: It could be a pygtk problem. Which'd be annoying. | 20:06 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: ukki says he had the same problem with a gtk ruby app and a vala one | 20:07 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: All three cases: http://pastie.org/541570 http://pastie.org/541571 http://pastie.org/541572 | 20:10 |
| coldboot | I'm gonna go eat free lunch, be back late.r | 20:10 |
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| GAN800 | Jaffa, don't tell me you're surprised. ;) | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, in diablo its normal x11 handling isnt it | 20:19 |
| lcuk | or rather mostly normal gtk handling | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | back | 20:23 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:30 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Good to see that you guys make other projects better ;) https://git.maemo.org/projects/gitweb?p=modest;a=commit;h=0accfeb5924067ead7f1aa48f7883fe2a6cea63c | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | seriously, the crap laying about and assumptions.. | 20:34 |
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| xnt14 | :) https://gni06.xceleo.org/core/ | 20:37 |
| xnt14 | core using cgi | 20:37 |
| xnt14 | guys try not to hammer that "server" I'm hosting it on my router, apparently port 80 is blocked but port 443 (https) isn't xD | 20:38 |
| RST38h | slashdot him quick! =) | 20:39 |
| johnsq | yes post it on /. | 20:39 |
| xnt14 | oh wow xD | 20:40 |
| xnt14 | why would a ssl page hosted on a router be accepeted at /.? | 20:41 |
| xnt14 | *accepted | 20:41 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Put it on digg under the guise that it's for "testing" the server | 20:41 |
| xnt14 | well, I could just revoke the cname record from dh.... | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/transmbkbd.png (confusing, i know) | 20:44 |
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| xnt14 | Stskeeps, wtf? jk, that looks cool xD | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | (it's the principle of it i like) | 20:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | hehe | 20:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | get that osso-xterm mod with the overlayed keyboard | 20:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | ffs, why - no how does microb manage to suck so much dick | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | possibly, i'm just thinking what else we could abuse this for :P | 20:46 |
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| xnt14 | brb, guys don't screw up my router... | 20:50 |
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| Macer | 36 hours of no cigarettes | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | xnt14: What is this web 2.0 stuff? =) | 20:57 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Normal GTK stuff is working fine on Ubuntu, but doesn't get any window-state-event at all on Diablo | 20:59 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, indications of a bug then.. | 21:24 |
| fiferboy | Why the heck is git so confusing for me? | 21:27 |
| fiferboy | I feel like I am missing something ovbious that would make everything clear... | 21:27 |
| johnsq | fiferboy: git is easy, i only miss the rcsclean function. | 21:28 |
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| fiferboy | I get lost trying to figure out when to use "git checkout" "git fetch" "git merge" "git pull" the names all seem to imply the same basic functionality to me... | 21:29 |
| fiferboy | I can't even use the documentation as an excuse, it seems good | 21:30 |
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| lcuk | fiferboy, http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2007/09/git-cheat-sheet.html | 21:30 |
| johnsq | fiferboy: git checkout is local, git pull is extern, git merge is something total different, it combines multiple versions | 21:30 |
| lcuk | print it out, put it on wall near you | 21:30 |
| lcuk | or just write the few things you do often | 21:30 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk, johnsq thanks. I thikn what I want to do is checkout a branch and merge another branch on it. | 21:32 |
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| coldboot | There's nothin' like free food at work. | 21:33 |
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| lcuk | the wife of one of my co workers sometimes goes on a random mission to feed the entire building | 21:34 |
| lcuk | he comes in with tonnes of food :D | 21:34 |
| fiferboy | Every second Friday is bagel and muffin day for me | 21:35 |
| coldboot | I'd love to work for Google and get fed all day. | 21:35 |
| lcuk | does google feed you all day? or just at designated meal times | 21:36 |
| * lcuk can imagine serge sitting on a recliner having grapes peeled for him | 21:36 | |
| coldboot | Just at the designated meal times, I think. | 21:36 |
| coldboot | But I would just store food at my desk. | 21:36 |
| coldboot | And eat whenever I like. | 21:36 |
| lcuk | haha squirrel hoarding is good | 21:36 |
| coldboot | I think they have breakfast early, and dinner late, to encourage you to live at work. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | until you forget where you put a stash | 21:37 |
| coldboot | I would forage daily. | 21:37 |
| lcuk | and that haddock you left in the filing cabinet (neatly filed under 'f' for fish) will soon get you a pink slip lol | 21:37 |
| coldboot | haha | 21:37 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: Lines 10 to 24 are missing from the second pastie, and they come from the switch statement in x11FilterEvent | 21:37 |
| coldboot | Actually, I've often found that you can leave meat out for 36 hours and eat it just fine. | 21:37 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: That's because nothing was printed when that happened. | 21:38 |
| lcuk | oi! if i leave meat out for 36 hours and you come along and eat it i would be pissed | 21:38 |
| coldboot | The pastes are complete. | 21:38 |
| coldboot | Also the expiry date on yoghurt is a lie. | 21:38 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: No, I know that. I'm saying that is what is not being processed because of the changes | 21:38 |
| coldboot | yeah | 21:38 |
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| fiferboy | Now to figure out why x11FilterEvent is not being applied... | 21:39 |
| coldboot | Probably because whatever captures the X event at the highest level, dispatches it to the proper widget based on the widget's winId(). | 21:39 |
| lcuk | if a widget has its own winid (and hence x11 window) will have its own event handler wont it? | 21:40 |
| coldboot | I'm going to put some prints in x11FilterEvent to see if it gets called at all. Right now it just prints if it hits a certain if branch. | 21:40 |
| fiferboy | I'd like to see where x11FilterEvent is being called or installed as an event filter | 21:40 |
| coldboot | lcuk: I think so. | 21:40 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: That's what I was going to do if my virtualbox network stayed up long enough to git clone | 21:40 |
| coldboot | fiferboy: What's a virtualbox? | 21:41 |
| xnt14 | im back | 21:41 |
| fiferboy | Let's me run Linux inside Windows cleanly | 21:42 |
| xnt14 | RST38H, its a jquery based admin panel | 21:42 |
| johnsq | i hate people starting counting with 1 | 21:42 |
| xnt14 | brb again, going to work | 21:42 |
| coldboot | Why not just use VMware Server 2.0? | 21:42 |
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| fiferboy | I used to have better luck with virtualbox, but version 3 is dropping the network connection and freezing the VM | 21:43 |
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| coldboot | Does VirtualBox let you install the OS on a hard drive, so you can track it in Git, or does it have some sort of disk image file like VMware does? | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | Hmm, QApplication has its own x11FilterEvent function | 21:43 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: disk image | 21:44 |
| coldboot | I think Win4Lin is the only thing that would let you put the OS on your hard drive. | 21:44 |
| coldboot | Nice, so you can git reset if you got a virus in Windows. | 21:45 |
| fiferboy | I like the separate image so I can just blow it away cleanly if I need to | 21:45 |
| coldboot | Oh I mean put it in a subdirectory, as if the subdirectory was the disk-image, but you'd still be able to see the individual files with your host os. | 21:45 |
| coldboot | Or if VMware had some Linux program that let you mount the disk image analogous to how you mount an iso. | 21:46 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | VMWare comes with a script that lets you mount the VMDK and browse it from your host, providing the VM isn't using the VMDK. I just run sftp inside the guest (usually Linux for me and run sshfs from the host. | 21:49 |
| coldboot | Can you write to it? | 21:49 |
| coldboot | Tracking the Windows hard drive with git through the network wouldn't be practical. | 21:50 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Pretty sure, at least it has an explict option for a RO mount | 21:50 |
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| coldboot | I used git to track all of scratchbox 2 so when it fucked up I could just revert it, saved me so much time. | 21:51 |
| coldboot | Cool. | 21:51 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I'm old fashioned: I tarred up my targets :) | 21:51 |
| coldboot | You should try using git for it, it's so good. | 21:52 |
| coldboot | You'll find yourself setting more frequent backup points, by running git commit every time you do something as root. | 21:52 |
| coldboot | I installed fakeroot, which ruins scratchbox 2. | 21:52 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: What file is that winId line that causes the flicker? | 21:52 |
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| coldboot | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes/blobs/1bdac2e41b137fd106493630dc1a553b66d21338/src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp#line1427 | 21:53 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: When you changed that, did you change line 408 to use the widget->window()->winId too? | 21:55 |
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| coldboot | fiferboy: I just commented them both out originally, then set them to both use widget->window()->winId(), this time I've just commented out the line at 1427. | 21:58 |
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| fiferboy | No luck when they were both widget->window()->winId(), I suppose | 21:59 |
| coldboot | Nope. | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: thp's comment on maemo-developers suggests it's a problem one can workaround; and I can't believe that no-one else has encountered it in the last 4 years of Maemo development. | 21:59 |
| lcuk | is it a problem in diablo? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | its quite easy to expect no1 to encounter it | 21:59 |
| fiferboy | coldboot: I suppose that makes sense, since that is called from x11FilterEvent that is not getting processed | 22:00 |
| lcuk | it was only late last year you yourself started offering very good solid advice on performance and ensuring code was run minimally | 22:00 |
| lcuk | prior to that, i think everyone was just directed back to the docs | 22:01 |
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| fiferboy | coldboot: Where do you set the HIM_DEBUG flag? | 22:03 |
| coldboot | I just threw it in the src/gui/Makefile manually. | 22:04 |
| lbt | coldboot, fiferboy could you : msg->input_window = proxy->winId(); proxy->setTarget(widget); | 22:04 |
| coldboot | Where does proxy come from? | 22:04 |
| lbt | it's a minimal widget | 22:05 |
| coldboot | How do I get it in the sendHildonCommand function? | 22:05 |
| lbt | it's a qApp singleton | 22:05 |
| fiferboy | , reboot | 22:05 |
| fiferboy | brb, that is | 22:05 |
| coldboot | msg->input_window = aApp->proxy->winId(); aApp->proxy->setTarget(widget); ? | 22:06 |
| lbt | it *could* be qApp->mainwindow() or similar | 22:06 |
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| lbt | coldboot: yes | 22:06 |
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| lbt | make sense? | 22:07 |
| coldboot | Yeah. | 22:07 |
| coldboot | Do you not want to set the target before setting the input_window? | 22:07 |
| lbt | my work here is done. | 22:07 |
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| lbt | meah | 22:07 |
| lbt | implementation detail ;) | 22:08 |
| coldboot | Global variables save the day. | 22:08 |
| lbt | wash your mouth. | 22:08 |
| coldboot | haha | 22:08 |
| lbt | OO has singletons, not global variables | 22:08 |
| coldboot | It doesn't seem to have ::proxy... | 22:09 |
| lbt | ? | 22:09 |
| coldboot | QApplication has no member named 'proxy'. | 22:09 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It is a problem in diablo. Point taken, I just imagined - given the fuss made by Nokia - that a) it'd work; b) it'd be well documented and c) everyone would be doing it. | 22:09 |
| Jaffa | I've not ruled out me being really stupid and all three of those being true :) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | people took their hints from you good sir :) | 22:10 |
| lbt | coldboot: I know.... more implementation .... | 22:10 |
| coldboot | lbt: ... | 22:10 |
| lbt | well | 22:10 |
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| lbt | X ev propagation via qapp fails | 22:11 |
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| lbt | so we can't send keystrokes to the mainwin | 22:11 |
| coldboot | lbt: Are you saying to make a proxy variable, and a setTarget method? | 22:11 |
| lbt | if we make every widget win native it flickers and is crap | 22:11 |
| coldboot | yep | 22:11 |
| lbt | so we make a single widget native | 22:11 |
| lbt | and tiny and invisible | 22:11 |
| lbt | maybe even hidden() | 22:11 |
| lbt | and we give it a method to hold a proxy widget ID | 22:12 |
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| coldboot | Is there not a simpler way to do this? | 22:12 |
| lbt | and we send its X-native-Id to HIM | 22:12 |
| coldboot | By just not using X events? | 22:12 |
| lbt | the keyboard is not Qt | 22:12 |
| fiferboy | You have to use xevents somewhere along the line | 22:12 |
| fiferboy | HIM send them as xevents | 22:12 |
| lbt | it could send dbus events | 22:13 |
| lbt | that'd be sane | 22:13 |
| lbt | but it doesn't | 22:13 |
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| coldboot | So where would you construct this blank, invisible widget? | 22:13 |
| lbt | heh | 22:13 |
| lbt | inside an #ifdef | 22:13 |
| lbt | in qapp | 22:13 |
| lbt | .cpp | 22:13 |
| coldboot | qapplication_x11.cpp? | 22:14 |
| lbt | no | 22:14 |
| lbt | actually we may be able to add the proxy method to QMainWindow | 22:14 |
| lbt | then if mainwindow gets an X key event | 22:15 |
| lbt | and proxy is set | 22:15 |
| lbt | it sends the event as a Qt event to the right widget | 22:15 |
| lbt | no invisible widgets | 22:15 |
| lbt | need to review X11 event handling in the main loop | 22:15 |
| coldboot | Modifying QMainWindow directly in src/gui/widgets/qmainwindow.{h,cpp}? | 22:15 |
| lbt | yes | 22:15 |
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| lbt | we need an X11 window - no choice. There is only 1 X11 window in a Qt app using raster. Either use it or make another | 22:17 |
| coldboot | Where is this window? | 22:18 |
| lbt | QMainWindow | 22:18 |
| lbt | I should say guaranteed | 22:19 |
| lbt | since any popup has a top-level window too | 22:19 |
| lbt | hmm | 22:19 |
| lbt | actually put it in qwidget | 22:19 |
| lbt | and msg->input_window = Search_upwards_for_a_top_level_widget->winId | 22:21 |
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| coldboot | widget->search_upwards->winId() | 22:21 |
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| lbt | search_upwards would be a local algorithm | 22:21 |
| coldboot | So we want all widgets to be a parent of this top level widget? | 22:22 |
| coldboot | I mean children. | 22:22 |
| lbt | that is how Qt works already | 22:22 |
| lbt | I mis-spoke earlier | 22:22 |
| coldboot | And QMainWindow is that widget. | 22:23 |
| lbt | There is only 1 X11 window in a Qt app using raster. | 22:23 |
| lcuk | every widget must at some level sit inside an x11 window, whether it is directly itself, or one of its parents | 22:23 |
| lbt | isn't true | 22:23 |
| lbt | each popup (file dialog etc) has one too | 22:23 |
| coldboot | So what is widget->window() ? | 22:23 |
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| lbt | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qwidget.html#nativeParentWidget | 22:24 |
| lbt | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qwidget.html#effectiveWinId | 22:24 |
| lbt | so actually no need for algorithm :) | 22:25 |
| lbt | we send effectiveWinId() to HIM and we use nativeParentWidget() of the textInput to get the widget to 'setHIMProxy(textinput)' | 22:26 |
| lcuk | its nice to do that though david, to find the existing api works the same way you deduce it to | 22:26 |
| lbt | yeah, I had no idea those functions existed... but I know how Qt heirarchy works | 22:27 |
| lcuk | more familiar everyday | 22:27 |
| lbt | setHIMProxy() then has to get involved in the QWidget event handling loop | 22:27 |
| lbt | and if set, it steals X Key events and sends them to the right widget | 22:28 |
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| crashanddie_ | setMyProxy() | 22:32 |
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| crashanddie_ | that sounds dandy | 22:32 |
| crashanddie_ | "Hey lcuk, would you feel like setting my proxy tonight?" | 22:33 |
| lcuk | as i told you last week, you can set your own proxy | 22:34 |
| crashanddie_ | ow man | 22:35 |
| crashanddie_ | I've been fiddling with my proxy for weeks now | 22:35 |
| crashanddie_ | I need some help | 22:35 |
| coldboot | setHIMProxy() is going to be a member function of what? | 22:35 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: look in a telephone box... | 22:36 |
| crashanddie_ | a telephone box? | 22:36 |
| coldboot | British name for a phone booth. | 22:36 |
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| crashanddie_ | coldboot, I live in London, I know that | 22:36 |
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| coldboot | I guess you're wondering why a proxy would be in there, then. | 22:37 |
| crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, unless you're referring to those overtaxed numbers you've been abusing? | 22:37 |
| crashanddie_ | coldboot, but it's not any proxy, it's MINE | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | :D | 22:38 |
| * crashanddie_ loves playing dumb | 22:38 | |
| lbt | coldboot: setHIMProxy() is going to be a member function of qwidget | 22:38 |
| qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: indeed, I thought they could help you with your proxy like how they helped me with mine | 22:38 |
| lbt | crashanddie_: does it come easy? | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, oh yeah | 22:38 |
| lbt | I can tell | 22:38 |
| crashanddie_ | sorry, I'll stop interrupting | 22:39 |
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| lbt | crashanddie_: np, I've done my "scribble on a whiteboard and leave it to the experts" piece now :D | 22:44 |
| lbt | jeremiah_: hey.... you up for helping us on 18th July (sat) | 22:45 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, remind me where you work? | 22:45 |
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| lbt | I don't :) used to be a solution architect at BT | 22:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | wtf? | 22:45 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, you didn't go for an interview, today, did you? | 22:46 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, around waterloo? | 22:46 |
| lbt | C&W ? | 22:46 |
| coldboot | It seems like QWidget doesn't really initialize much in construction, except it calls d_func()->init(). | 22:46 |
| pete_ | hello? I have an n800 and it seems to automatically turn on... any ideas? | 22:46 |
| lbt | no... know of a job? | 22:46 |
| crashanddie_ | lbt, no, but I just told off an interviewee for interrupting a whiteboard session saying "Mind leaving the whiteboard to the experts?" | 22:47 |
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| lbt | heh :) | 22:47 |
| coldboot | crashanddie_: Who'd he say that to? | 22:47 |
| crashanddie_ | coldboot, I said that | 22:47 |
| coldboot | oh ok | 22:48 |
| pete_ | does anyone have a suggestion to keep my n800 from automatically turning on? | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | define "automatically turning on" | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | putting in charger is normal behaviour | 22:50 |
| pete_ | at night, it starts itself | 22:50 |
| pete_ | just started happening | 22:50 |
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| pete_ | this happens without being connected to the charger | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's just waking up for alarm? | 22:52 |
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| lbt | OK we're going to try and get a native cross-compile system working on OBS on 15th or 19th july ... who would like to help. We need package people and cross compile experience | 22:53 |
| pete_ | I have checked the alarms, and even created and deleted one, but still does it. | 22:53 |
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| pete_ | retutime -a displays nothing | 22:54 |
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| johnsq | lbt: write better programs, which compile faster, than you didn't need to crosscompile | 22:56 |
| lbt | pfft | 22:56 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Typical Gentoo user statement :P | 22:56 |
| crashanddie_ | write it in C# | 22:57 |
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| parrot86 | hi, | 22:58 |
| parrot86 | how is it possible to get the GPS working? | 22:58 |
| parrot86 | I tried it outdoors, but it just keeps searching for satelites and finds nothing | 22:58 |
| Macer | parrot86: sometimes it take quite a while | 22:58 |
| coldboot | Especially if you -funrollloops | 22:58 |
| Macer | even up to an hour or more | 22:58 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | parrot86: get AGPIS | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | AGPS | 22:59 |
| ShadowJK | also don't cover the antenna, not even for a second | 22:59 |
| coldboot | http://funroll-loops.info/ | 22:59 |
| Macer | there was something that the GPS had to update and for the life of me i can't remember what it is | 22:59 |
| parrot86 | Macer: how long is quite a while? I'm sure I've waited more than 5 minutes | 22:59 |
| Macer | we had to set our govt GPSes out all the time.. some old relic called a PLGR | 22:59 |
| parrot86 | Stskeeps: thanks, I'll try that | 23:00 |
| johnsq | parrot86: 1/2 hour | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: almanac? | 23:00 |
| ShadowJK | Today my phone wouldn't get a GPS lock... waited half an hour.. restarted gps and it got first fix in a moving car in about 10 seconds.. heh :/ | 23:00 |
| Macer | parrot86: like i said. to update about half an hour to an hour | 23:00 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: yeah | 23:00 |
| Macer | there it is ;) the aqlmanac | 23:00 |
| Macer | haha | 23:00 |
| Macer | almanac updating seems to take a while | 23:00 |
| ShadowJK | well AGPS downloads the almanac from internet | 23:00 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: oh | 23:00 |
| Macer | maybe we should issue AGPS and n810s to military personel | 23:01 |
| Macer | haha | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | instead of from the slow transfer from the satellite | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | it's like 30 bits per second or something silly :P | 23:01 |
| Macer | ouch | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | imagine what happens if you cover the antenna and it misses some of them ;) | 23:01 |
| Macer | lol | 23:01 |
| Macer | i'm guessing it's broadcasted | 23:01 |
| Macer | and loops? | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 23:01 |
| Macer | so it's "error.. wait for next time" | 23:02 |
| Macer | "start over" | 23:02 |
| Macer | haha | 23:02 |
| Macer | man i am going on a hunger binge | 23:02 |
| Macer | because of this smoking quitting | 23:02 |
| Macer | thank god i'm not fat nor ever have been | 23:02 |
| Macer | haha | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | I'm like pavlov's dog when it comes to smoking | 23:02 |
| Macer | ? | 23:02 |
| nomis | ShadowJK: so you can't smoke a cigarette because you're dribbeling all over it? | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | oh only times I ever tried to smoke was when I was severely drunk. The epic killer hangovers made my brain associate smoking == puke | 23:03 |
| Macer | lol | 23:04 |
| Macer | lucky you | 23:04 |
| Macer | i'm sitting here trying to stop from sitting in a corner rocking back and forth crying | 23:04 |
| Macer | ever see new jack city when pooky is trying to quit crack? | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | nop | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | the gps on n810 is damn strange | 23:05 |
| coldboot | lbt: So to get this right, in sendHildonCommand, I'd set widget->nativeParentWidget()->setHIMProxy(widget);, then msg->input_window = widget->effectiveWinId(); | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | anecdotally I've had better luck with maemo-mapper | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | than, for example, the speedometer | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | although iirc when I wrote a logger in python that worked fine too.. hm :/ | 23:06 |
| coldboot | lbt: Have QWidget::setHIMProxy(QWidget*) store the QWidget*, and use it for later when intercepting key commands, passing them on to QWidget*? | 23:06 |
| lbt | coldboot: bbiab | 23:07 |
| coldboot | lbt: k | 23:07 |
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| fiferboy | lbt, coldboot: What's the plan going forward? | 23:10 |
| coldboot | I think lbt's solution is pretty good. | 23:11 |
| coldboot | I'm trying to implement it now. | 23:11 |
| coldboot | Although I'm not sure where the key event interception would happen, exactly. | 23:11 |
| coldboot | Also, it seems that QWidget's constructors are all empty, so I'm not sure where a sensible place to initialize him_proxy would be. | 23:12 |
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| lbt | coldboot: yes, sounds right :) | 23:17 |
| lbt | don't forget to zero setHIMProxy() when the keyboard closes... don't want a segfault | 23:18 |
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| coldboot | yep | 23:18 |
| coldboot | lbt: So where should I intercept these key events? | 23:18 |
| * lbt pulls up the code | 23:18 | |
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| coldboot | I guess when you sendHildonCommand with msg->input_window = effectiveWinId(), sendKeyEvent(QWidget* = widget->nativeParentWidget(), ...) will get called, so you do the checking for the proxy there, and forward accordingly. | 23:20 |
| coldboot | Or maybe not, since sendKeyEvent just sends another XEvent... | 23:21 |
| lbt | we need to find where qt handles X key events | 23:22 |
| lbt | eg qApp->x11ProcessEvent | 23:22 |
| fiferboy | I think x11FilterEvent receives the event and sendKeyEvent processes it | 23:25 |
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| coldboot | So somewhere in x11ProcessEvent we have to forward the event to the proxy widget? | 23:32 |
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| coldboot | Here? http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes/blobs/1bdac2e41b137fd106493630dc1a553b66d21338/src/gui/kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp#line3312 | 23:34 |
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| coldboot | Now I just need a place to reset the HIMProxy. | 23:38 |
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| Macer | load averages: 5.42, 5.46, 5.07 | 23:59 |
| Macer | irc server? | 23:59 |
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| Macer | er... ircd? :) | 23:59 |
| Macer | heh | 23:59 |
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