IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2009-07-09

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tds5016is there a subversion client for maemo?00:09
qwerty12_N810aye, apt-get install subversion00:09
tds5016couldn't find package...00:09
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qwerty12_N810Maybe I left it in -devel...00:10
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tds5016so how would I install it then?00:11
tds5016oh, there it is...00:11
tds5016qwerty12_N810: apparently I needed to run apt-get update ;-)00:12
tds5016it looks like the last update failed.00:12
tds5016I need to find python purple, do you know if that is in the repos?00:13
qwerty12_N810apt-cache says no00:13
tds5016that's what I thoguht.00:14
tds5016hopefully there is a cython?00:14
tds5016(browser is busy... would you be awesome and check for me?)00:15
tds5016er apt-get is busy*00:15
tds5016damn python purple is taking a long time to get outa the repos!00:17
lcukthats it.  im naming the new maemo help system "Qwerty2000"00:17
tds5016lcuk: you could do me a huge favor, and instead of putting the energy into that; you could package python purple for me :-D00:18
tds5016haha, jk00:18
lcukpython is slow, you could put your energies into helping liqbase00:18
lcukand the followup if you are curious ;)00:20
tds5016hmm.... pretty...00:21
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tds5016hello. how do I unzip a file in maemo?00:56
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johnsqinstall zip or does the filemanager support it?00:59
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tds5016apparently I needed to install unzip.01:00
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FirebirdHmm.. anyone know what torx size the N810 screws are?01:07
amrif i said yes id be lying01:09
qwerty12_N810Firebird: chances are that you'll find an answer in
amris there a list anywhere of maemo/nokia related blogs?01:10
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Firebirdqwerty12_N800, ended up measuring the screw01:11
Jaffaamr: is pretty authoritative (but not complete)01:11
Firebirdnokia repair didn't tighten one screw on my N810 :/ the face plate pops off on the bottom left corner01:11
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javispedroseems is really getting some Intel projects lately:
javispedroguess icd2 is deprecated01:14
tds5016why is installing libpurple giving me sooo much shit!?01:17
qwerty12_N810got collabora repo enabled?01:18
tds5016what is collabora?01:18
qwerty12_N810I guess not then01:18
tds5016excuse me... I mean python purple. haha.01:18
tds5016but what is collabora?01:18
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javispedroyet another spambot attacking tmo01:23
tds5016qwerty12_N810: do you know where I can get git for maemo?01:23
qwerty12_N810git-core is in -devel afaik01:24
tds5016what is the info for the devel repo?01:24
infobotwell, extras is
tds5016apt-cache doesn't find it :-/.01:25
javispedroit does on on my nit01:26
javispedrogit-core - fast, scalable, distributed revision control system01:26
lcukit does on my nit01:26
* lcuk uses it daily01:26
javispedroand lcuk enjoys it? I've never tried it :)01:27
lcukyeah javispedro01:27
lcukits got some odd things, but ive not been stung yet01:27
tds5016there we go.01:28
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javispedroi've always been a svn guy, but I'm tempted by the "each checkout is also a repo" idea01:29
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tds5016I'm doing my best to get that to play nice.01:31
tds5016it's REALLY pissing me off...01:31
tds5016does anyone know how int he hell to get that to install on a maemo device?01:34
tds5016I'm seriosuly banging my head off of a wall trying to get this to install :-(01:34
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tds5016are there any python developers in here?01:43
tds5016if I could even get twisted words installed on here, it would be just ducky.01:43
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lcuktds5016, whats this purple do01:44
tds5016it's just a jabber library.01:45
lcukunfortunately i wont be able to install anything atm, my system is near breaking point and ive got a lot of code needing doing01:45
tds5016I need to get ANY python library that'll let me play with a jabber server.01:46
lcuki dunno01:46
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tds5016do you have any idea why I keep getting the error "no module named distutils.core?01:48
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tds5016when I run python setup.py01:49
qwerty12_N810this on a tablet?01:50
tds5016a nokia n81001:50
yergatds5016, have you installed python2.5-distutils?01:51
tds5016not yet. haha.01:51
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tds5016"error: invalid python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.5/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)01:55
tds5016any idea how to fix that?01:55
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javispedrogoogle says: "You need to install the development package for python. It should be called python2.5-devel or something similar."02:00
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javispedrooh well, it seems that microb-engine 20090207 doesn't like browserd02:14
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qwerty12_N810javispedro: that makes you the third to find that out :(02:14
qwerty12_N810MicroB is a mess.02:15
javispedroi think it could be done, but lots of work, and not sure if 20090207 already got the newer js engine02:16
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qwerty12_N810I'd be interested in mounting up a chinook rootfs and dpkg-repacking the browser stuff from there. In theory, I'd be free from browserd and SVN builds of microb-engine'd work. But not sure how much would break :\02:18
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javispedrowas browser-ui oss by then?02:19
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qwerty12_N810No, but it didn't depend on browserd. SVN has some old versions of browser-ui but not the chinook, or the diablo ones to my knowledge. The Fremantle one will be OSS AFAIK02:21
javispedroif the microb src package avalaible in nokia's repo works builds and installs fine (which I'll try tomorrow) I dunno if it may be easier (read: who knows if a little less crazy) to just backport microb svn changes to it02:21
javispedroi want to try to fix #3250
javispedrobut i don't know anything about XIM, mozilla nor Xt02:23
javispedroso it's going to be fun fun fun :D02:23
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qwerty12_N810Being monolinguistic, can't say I've ran into that problem :)02:26
javispedroaccording to the vote count (2), either the N810 was not a overseas success, or most spanish n810 users are already using sms language02:27
javispedro(or are using tear, who knows)02:27
qwerty12_N810Actually, I'm surprised: Wouldn't this have shown up for Nokians, considering Finnish is probably their first language?02:28
qwerty12_N810Well, most or many :)02:28
tds5016anyone able to help me find the telepathy documentation?02:28
tds5016it looks like the telepathy-python documentation is... non-existent, to say the least.02:29
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xnt14im back02:29
tds5016woot woot! now I can continue to breathe.02:30
javispedroafaik the finnish hw keyboard does not have dead keys02:33
javispedronope, no dead keys:
javispedrobttr gt usd 2 txtspk02:33
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qwerty12_N810People who talk like that when they have a proper keyboard in front of them should get slapped (this includes most of the people I know on MSN)02:35
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lcukwazd, the capabilities i can just about manage are layering of transparent pngs, i can colorshift entire layers and render them at defined position and sizes scaled about a principle 800*48003:24
lcukyou have seen examples of the battery, if things are not too technically challenging, we can see if it can be brought to life03:25
lcukyou could talk with z4chh because he has a number of local data items hes been investigated to be monitored03:25
lcuki believe this principle could easily be applied to data of any kind (weather..) :)03:26
nikosapiIs there a way to force the built-in speakers on through software?03:27
lcukthere should be if you have root :)03:27
nikosapiIt seems the jack on my n810 is broken so it always thinks there are headphones plugged in03:27
wazdlcuk: that's cool, but I really don't think that weather needs color shifting :D03:27
lcukahh maybe not lol03:27
lcukwazd yeah i know03:27
lcuki was just thinking about what you said earlier :) im pleased to be getting these pieces in and working as intended03:28
lcuki look on my screen every day and i see nicer and nicer things03:28
wazdlcuk: I've said bout what?)03:29
lcukheh, you said about doing something with the battery03:29
wazdlcuk: sorry, it's 4:30 AM in here so my brain is slightly slow :)03:29
lcukmine too :)03:29
wazdlcuk: Oj, i didn't want to do anything with it, I just wanted to redraw it properly :)03:30
lcukthere was one part of it i couldnt get right at all03:30
lcukand that was the reflection03:30
lcuki dont know how to attack it, and my psp is crap with transparency03:31
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wazdwhat exactly reflection?03:31
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wazdWhats wrong with it?03:37
lcukthere is none in mine, i couldnt get transp sorted03:39
lcukanyway, im bedding03:39
lcukgnite wazd \o03:39
wazdlcuk: cya)03:39
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Macerits not vaporware afterall!04:13
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Firebird:( bluemaemo doesn't work with gnome and bluez 407:31
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Macermer for touchbook?07:47
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ttlhow to add a GtkWidget like GtkLabel to GtkDialog?08:56
ttlwhy there is no function "gtk_dialog_add_widget"?08:58
prakanyone here who is familiar with maemo sdk installation (for n810)? i'm not sure how to fix this error:
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JaffaMorning, all09:44
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Jaffaprak: tried `sudo adduser $USER sbox'?09:52
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adeusnot here anymore..09:54
Jaffaoh yeah09:55
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Mc2`I just discovered Maemo and it looks pretty cool11:35
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danielwilmsMc2`: Welcome ;)11:35
Mc2`Hqve you heard of running it on non-Nokia devices ?11:36
caoticMare there any os updates for the n810 i just bought mine, feel it a little slow (i know n810 is not a power house for todays standars)11:37
danielwilmsMc2` fremantle alpha runs on the beagle board ;)11:39
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Mc2`danielwilms: mhh, interesting11:40
JaffaMc2`: Maemo itself can be run on the Beagleboard; but the best option for that is Mer - - which takes the best bits of Maemo and rebuilds them on top of Ubuntu11:40
JaffaWhich has then been run on x86, Nokia tablets, OpenMoko freerunner, SmartQ5, PocketLoox 720, ...11:41
danielwilmsJaffa: :)11:41
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andre___caoticM, which exact version do you run?11:45
andre___5.2008.43-7 is the latest release11:45
Mc2`Jaffa: so as I understand it, it is actually possible to run most of the Maemo applications on whatever device, provided that this device can run with Linux. Am I correct ?11:46
rkirtiMc2`: only in theory :) There are idiosyncrasies with glib, gtk (maemo has its own versions of these) and hildon-desktop, that make it quite a fight to have maemo software running outside SB11:48
Mc2`rkirti: i see :)11:50
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caoticMandre___: how do I tell ? Linux Nokia-N810-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Oct 14 11:25:25 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown ?11:51
Mc2`and do think it can be suitable for a smartphone (so in short, less cpu ressources, smaller screen, .. than a tablet) ?11:52
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woglindemc2 after the next release the gui widget will be qt based11:53
JaffaMc2`: That's the basic aim of Mer, yes. To provide an open source, Maemo-compatible environment11:53
andre___caoticM, see Control Panel > General > About product11:53
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andre__caoticM, yeah, that's the latest11:55
Mc2`Ok, thank you verry much for the informations11:55
caoticMi see great11:55
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lbtMc2`:  should help... if you read that and have questions then let me know :)11:56
lbt(that way I can update it and make it clearer for others)11:56
Mc2`lbt: thanks11:57
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Mc2`ohh also, what about GPE ? Is the project still active ?12:00
JaffaMc2`: It is. Graham Cobb's still doing lots of work on it.12:05
JaffaIt remains to be seen if Nokia will ship any PIM apps using the built-in PIM framework in Maemo 512:05
woglindejaffa *g*12:05
caoticMis imap a good choice for gmail for the n810 mail client, worried about the space 3k+ mails at my account12:06
caoticMerr: 30k+12:07
lbtcaoticM: the new fremantle modest client has changelog comments that suggest incremental header downloads12:12
caoticMi just dont know if the headers woul be a considerable space muncher12:13
JaffacaoticM: It works well with me, but then I have a ruthless archive policy (and 2 emails in my inbox atm)12:13
caoticMatm ?12:14
JaffaAt the Moment12:14
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caoticMright :p12:15
caoticMruthless can mean thar you dont care for space as well as vicious memory optimization ... mixed messages ...12:17
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JaffacaoticM: I don't delete anything which was sent directly to me; but don't keep it in my gmail inbox either.12:21
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caoticMi see12:21
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timeless_mbpcaoticM: headers won't cost more than 5k per message12:49
timeless_mbpso unless modest is incredibly stupid, you shouldn't lose more than 1mb of space i think12:50
timeless_mbpor was it 1512:50
* timeless_mbp has a hard time keeping units straight12:50
timeless_mbp15... sorry, i lost a unit when i did my math :)12:51
caoticM5k per message for 30000 messages dont sound like a mb to me12:51
timeless_mbp146 mb?12:51
timeless_mbpunits are hard12:51
timeless_mbpit depends how much modest actually stores12:52
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caoticM right about that, kind of excessive, have to re thin my gmail filters12:56
caoticMerr: rethink12:56
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wazd_n800heya  maemo12:58
timeless_mbpcaoticM: fwiw... my mailbox @gmail was around 2gb a few years ago12:59
timeless_mbpi usually paid around 200mb for just headers12:59
timeless_mbpand that was before my mail clients stopped being able to open my inbox12:59
timeless_mbp(i receive *lots* of messages, 99.99% of them are relatively tiny)13:00
timeless_mbpYou are currently using 5043 MB (68%) of your 7346 MB.13:00
timeless_mbpInbox (285768)  1 - 50 of 34588613:01
timeless_mbpthose are numbers of conversations (unread, page range, total)13:01
timeless_mbpif your inbox gets big enough, imap doesn't work if your imap server is lame13:01
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caoticMbtw how does the browser knows if you want to scoll or select text with the stylus ?13:15
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timeless_mbpit makes a bad guess?13:20
timeless_mbptypically the browser assumes that you only want to select text if you double or triple click at the beginning and then start dragging13:21
timeless_mbpotherwise it usually assumes you want to scroll13:21
timeless_mbpfor fremantle, it'll do "something else(tm)"13:21
caoticMi guess i was a tap short13:22
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caoticMthanks man13:24
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Andy80hi all14:40
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javispedroas usual it is harder to buy the "stable" microb src pkg on nokia's repo than the svn, trunk, unstable one14:43
timeless_mbperr buy?14:44
javispedrolol build :)14:44
timeless_mbpnot sure what you mean by stable14:44
lcuk2one time special offer, the price to you has been reduced by 100%, now get microb for an excellent price of $0.0014:45
timeless_mbpbut yes, typically "unstable" will include fixes to improve things, including the build process14:45
javispedroby stable I mean the one's on diablo latest ssu ( 1.0.4-60.19 )14:47
timeless_mbpanyway... sadly, as usual we're changing the browser-ui in order to give better user experience in the future14:50
timeless_mbpwhich means our changes to microb don't really help people until the next browser-ui is pushed14:50
timeless_mbp(don't ask me when that will happen, i really don't know)14:50
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javispedrodon't worry, I'll eventually get it to build14:51
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xnt14im back15:22
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fiferboycoldboot: ping?15:41
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fiferboylbt: ping?16:07
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fiferboyHow's it going?16:08
lbton phone atm...on hold16:08
lbtmailed kimitake16:08
lbtre bisect16:08
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fiferboyI'll have to read about bisect, but I saw the mail16:08
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woglindehi lbt16:09
lbthi woglinde16:09
lbtI need to chase the OBS guys16:09
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lbtto get c-compile implemented at native speed16:09
fiferboyI wonder if the flicker fix will speed up scrolling too16:09
lcukpush for warpspeed16:09
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woglindelbt I am intressed too whats break the performance in later qt16:10
lbtfiferboy: it seems to force native... it could have a lot of effects16:10
lbtwell, bisect is good at zeroing in on that kind of thing16:10
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lbtsometimes you review the patches and just know16:11
fiferboyThat's what I am thinking.  I haven't heard from coldboot if OSK is still working16:11
lbtother times it points at something else and surprises you16:11
fiferboyBisect looks cool, it seems like it would help in this case16:11
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Macerwell today is day 1 of no smoki16:22
Macersmoking.. sure hope this chantix stuff works :)16:22
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coldbootfiferboy: It's still compiling from yesterday...16:25
fiferboyHehe, compiling Qt is fun16:26
fiferboyAs long as you have something to do as you wait...16:26
coldbootLike go home, play with my computer, eat dinner, go to sleep, and walk back to work...16:26
Macercoldboot: are you building it on an n800?16:26
coldboothaha no16:26
Macerthat would take a year16:26
coldbootI'm building two versions of it at the same time on a Dual Core.16:26
fiferboyI usually stop it after it compiles the libqtgui.so16:26
coldbootIt might be done that by now.16:27
* lcuk shakes head at the qt build system where changing one tiny grain of sand required recreating the whole island16:27
fiferboyIt takes so long to link webkit for me (in virtualbox on an old laptop) I have never made it past that16:27
coldbootWhen compiling in scratchbox 2, it won't let me run make in src/gui unless I've already run dpkg-buildpackage -b up to a certain point. It complains it needs GCC 4.216:27
fiferboylcuk: Only because he just imported the git repo and needed to build from scratch!16:27
fiferboycoldboot: It needs to build qmake and other tools that it uses for its own build, and dependencies, like libqtcore16:28
coldbootDo you always have to run dpkg-buildpackage, or can you ./configure and make somehow?16:28
* lcuk makes a change to the c std lib and watches as everyone in the world needs to rebuild their entire system (non api change..)16:28
fiferboycoldboot: After dpkg-buildpackage sets everything up the first time, you can just make changes to the files you want and run make from that directory (or the closest directory up from there with a Makefile)16:29
Macerman i would seriously like an n97 or n95 that works with tmob 3G :(16:30
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fiferboyIt will just build the library you want then (although lcuk never seems to read this part of the build process)16:30
coldbootfiferboy: How long do you have to run dpkg-buildpackage for? Just until it starts building?16:30
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fiferboyI usually run it until it has build libqtgui (if that's the one I am interested in)16:30
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fiferboyYou can check if it is in qt-maemo/libs and stop it if it is16:31
coldbootfiferboy: I'd like to cancel it as soon as possible, and then only build libQtGui16:31
coldbootYay I've got it, I'm gonna throw it on the device and test hildon.16:31
fiferboycoldboot: You have to make sure all the tools and dependencies are built, though16:31
fiferboycoldboot: Excellent, let us know how it goes16:32
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coldbootWill work with qt-maemo 4.5.0, do you think?16:33
fiferboyColdboot, no it won't16:33
fiferboyIt will complain it is not the correct version, you will have to install 4.5.2 from extras-devel16:33
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coldbootfiferboy: What's it called in the repo?16:34
coldbootI've got extras-devel in my apt sources.16:34
fiferboyWhat is the package called?16:34
fiferboyFrom the terminal run apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade16:35
fiferboyDo you see the qt packages listed for upgrade?16:35
coldbootWhen did it change to 4.5.2 ?16:35
fiferboyMaybe a week ago?16:35
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coldbootWill a program linked against 4.5.0 work with 4.5.2?16:36
fiferboyJune 28th16:36
fiferboycoldboot: Yes16:36
fiferboyAs far as I know.  I haven't recompiled my program for 4.5.2 and it works16:36
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coldbootHmm, I need to be able to downgrade to 4.5.0 afterwards, because that's what we're deploying our application on.16:40
coldbootI'm wondering if I should setup NFS and make a remote git repository of the nokia.16:40
fiferboyIf you uninstall the libraries, disable extras-devel and install them again that should work16:40
coldbootah ok16:40
fiferboyAre you going to backport your fix into 4.5.0?16:40
coldbootI already did, and compiled it.16:41
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KhertanHello !16:53
X-FadeHi Khertan.16:53
X-FadeKhertan: Long time, no see :)16:53
Khertansomeone know how microb password are encrypted ? i need to recover one stored in the file ~/.mozilla/...password16:53
KhertanX-Fade: yep ... right ...16:53
KhertanX-Fade: too less time ...16:53
Khertanirc lock at work16:54
Khertanirc lock by phone isp :)16:54
timeless_mbpKhertan: get a firefox(gecko) from the same general version16:54
timeless_mbpcopy the profile into the firefox profile16:54
timeless_mbpand use firefox's ui16:54
Khertantimeless_mbp: ah ... yep ... great idea :)16:54
Khertantimeless_mbp: thanks ... i ll try ...16:54
KhertanThe Story : got an trojan on a windows os ...16:55
Khertanby security i ve change all my password using a secure system (Maemo ;) )16:55
Khertanbut ... it s seems i ve entered at a place two time the same wrong password :)16:56
Khertanso what s new ?16:56
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coldbootIs there a way to manually enable the hildon keyboard?16:58
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fiferboycoldboot: You are on a N810?17:00
coldbootOur application doesn't have any text fields...17:00
fiferboyClicking an input field with the keyboard closed should do it17:00
coldbootGot a quick test case for another program?17:01
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coldbootIs "Notes" a qt app?17:01
fiferboyInstalling qt-demos does it, but takes up a tonne of room17:01
coldbootI can just copy one of the executables.17:01
fiferboyThat would work17:02
fiferboyShopper has input fields and is in the repos17:02
fiferboyqt-maemo-example is a text editor17:02
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coldbootSo with the keyboard hidden, when clicking on those fields on the right, the keyboard should pop up?17:04
fiferboyAs long as the hardware keyboard is closed, yes17:04
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fiferboyNo go?17:04
coldbootNot working...17:04
fiferboyWhat field are you clicking?17:05
coldbootThe '+' button, then the text field it asks to make a new thing.17:05
fiferboyAnd you can type there with the hardware keyboard?17:05
fiferboyTry clicking with different pressures and with stylus and fingertip...17:06
coldbootI'm gonna see if it works with the original libQtGui now.17:06
fiferboyI don't have my N810 handy to test how best to bring up the HIM17:06
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coldbootYeah you have to use your finger.17:07
coldbootInteresting, I didn't think that finger detection code would work.17:07
fiferboyIs it working in your recompiled version?17:08
fiferboyIt is actually supposed to bring up the small keyboard on stylus and large keyboard on finger17:08
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coldbootThat part definitely doesn't work. ;)17:09
coldbootFuck, it doesn't send the text, and the regular libQtGui does...17:10
coldbootSo it needs that field...17:10
coldbootSo we have to change the code to not send X11 signals.17:11
coldbootI don't see in the code where it's used, though...17:11
fiferboyIt could be in the kernel code somewhere...17:11
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lcukfiferboy, i never read it because all i ever see and read is people waiting hours/days for qt to compile17:17
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lcuki hardly ever hear about people just actually getting on iwth it and making new stuff17:17
fiferboyThat's because we have time to go on IRC while waiting :)17:17
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lcukthats a given heh17:18
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: i wonder if it's abuse to make simple maemo-launcher'ing by making the binaries shared17:18
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lcukbut attrition gets you in the end17:18
javispedroluck: the autobuilder log for qt measures a whopping gigabyte17:20
infobotjavispedro meant: lcuk: the autobuilder log for qt measures a whopping gigabyte17:20
javispedro(sorry :P )17:20
X-Fadejavispedro: Seriously?17:20
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fiferboyThat's a big log file!17:21
X-FadeNah, only 18M.17:21
X-FadeWell only...17:21
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fiferboyOkay, that's (more) reasonable17:22
javispedroI assure you, it was way bigger before. maybe some "infinite recompilation" issue :)17:22
X-Fadejavispedro: Can be.17:22
qwerty12_N810X-Fade: you'll probably to remove the libwebkit-dbg package for the previous version of webkit :)17:22
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: :)17:23
javispedroI specially remember crashing mi 17-tab iceweasel session17:23
coldbootThis is a proper fraction 8/117:23
coldbootHmmm, infobot isn't that sophisticated...17:23
Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: because that's what maemo-launchering basically is.. make the code position independent and then make it a shared object that's also executable17:23
X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Jeremiah was working on some automatic cleaning script. I hope he deploys that soon.17:24
Stskeepsit will fit nicely in ram and will have the benefit of shared COW pages :P17:24
fiferboycoldboot: Sometimes infobot doesn't to the replacement17:24
infobotcoldboot meant: goo17:24
coldbootI guess it only reads literal strings17:24
infobotfiferboy meant: s/do/do17:24
fiferboyNeed the trailing slash17:25
infobotcoldboot meant: monkey17:25
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coldbootOnly does literal strings then.17:25
fiferboyTrying to test regex?17:26
coldbootJust seeing if infobot can do regex replace.17:26
coldbootHopefully I don't need to test such simple regexes. :)17:26
infobotjavispedro meant: s/nothing/nothing17:26
fiferboyIf you haven't used regex in years you might (I might)17:26
coldbootYou should use them all the time.17:27
fiferboyI use them maybe once every couple of years17:27
lbtregexps are a breath of fresh air17:28
* lbt waves17:28
lbtare there issues on the virt keyb?17:29
lbtAntonio mentions it's been disabled in Fremantle17:29
fiferboyIt doesn't send characters to the field without the line coldboot took out17:29
coldbootWhy has the keyboard been disabled in Freemantle?17:30
fiferboyI would think the next step would be to try to send the window winId rather than the widget winId17:30
lbtcoldboot: fremantle only runs on HW with a keyb...17:30
lbtwe need some functional defines...17:30
Stskeepsthere's a thumb keyboard in fremantle though17:31
lbtfiferboy: yes17:31
coldbootfiferboy: Well it already sends a window id in another field.17:31
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lbtStskeeps: it could be that the keyb isn't activated by default17:31
coldbootIf we sent the window id in both fields, maybe that will work, assuming the signal will propagate down to the widget.17:31
Stskeepslbt: like on n81017:31
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fiferboyQt SHOULD handle the propogation, I think17:32
lbtit may be worth sending signals to an Qt rootwin17:32
fiferboyHildon file dialogs in Qt should be an improvement17:32
javispedro500 lines patch hunk... god, why??17:34
fiferboylbt: git bisect start would let kimitake focus on changes of part of the tree, right?17:38
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lbtgit bisect doesn't deal in directories17:39
lbtit just bisects the changelog using an algorithm that understands the complexities of merges and the like17:40
lbtit's trivial on core Qt - that is a linear changelog17:40
lbtbut if you look at something like qt-maemo...17:40
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lbtplus, as I said, it is to dim to ignore a change in, say, webkit   on the grounds that "it couldn't possibly matter" ;)17:41
fiferboyI wonder what the number of revisions between the current version and the last good version are, though17:42
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lbtdoesn't matter what's the log2 of that #17:43
lbt(I think it's log2)17:43
lbtanyhow if there are 8192 individual commits then you only need ~12 bisects often less17:45
fiferboyThat's pretty good17:45
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Khertansomeone have an idea on how to retrieve user password on maemo ... without knowing the root one ?17:54
Khertani mean the simple way ... as i see the other one ... doing a .deb ... which will be run by installer as root :)17:55
Khertanthen use root to change pass17:55
Stskeepsinstall rootsh0?17:56
Khertannot in the catalog right ?17:57
Khertan(next time i ll carrefully look in which keyboard mode the keyboard is set before changing password)17:59
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* lcuk bangs on the wall18:01
xnt14musicbot: mizuki nana, ultimate diamond shin ai18:02
lcukdrills a hole in the wall, and farts through it18:02
lcuk+ /me18:02
* xnt14 hooks up his surround sound system + massive speakers + insanely powerful amp, then he blows out lcuks ears.. xD18:04
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xnt14musicbot: mizuki nana ultimate diamond Etsuraku Camellia18:04
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javispedromicrob just started building!18:09
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coldbootSetting HildonIMKeyEventMessage::input_window to QWidget::window()::winId() doesn't work, same problem as before. Hildon keys are not forwarded.18:13
fiferboycoldboot: Hmmm, translating the X11 signals, then?18:13
coldbootYep, seems like the only way now.18:14
fiferboyCan you tell where the best place to implement that is?18:14
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coldbootI'm looking into it now. There's QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand() that calls XSendEvent, and  QHildonInputContext::x11FilterEvent() that receives it, and sends the appropriate Qt keypress or other event.18:26
coldbootI'm wondering if anything has to really be "sent" at all, since it's all within the same object.18:27
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coldbootI could just change x11FilterEvent and make a call to it with the information.18:28
fiferboycoldboot: I think the send is for popping up the keyboard...18:28
fiferboyChanging the filterEvent would likely work18:28
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coldbootI think I know where msg->input_window is used, you can't find it literally in the code, but x11ClientMessage() calls x11FilterEvent(), and both are passed a widget.18:31
coldbootSo the widget is determined higher up the stack.18:31
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* xnt14 installs sonata on his xps18:39
xnt14mpd on nit + sonata on xps xD18:39
xnt14mpd on nit + sonata on xps + sonata on nit xDDD18:39
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RST38hMoo all19:26
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Stskeepsmoo RST38h19:27
StskeepsRST38h: is there an advantage to ARM/EABI when it comes to position independent code? on x86 it has a bit of a slowdown as I remember?19:28
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derfThe main problem on x86 is that it chews up yet another register from a vanishingly small set.19:29
RST38hSts: A moment, let me verify19:29
RST38hSts: In general, most ARM code is position independent by definition19:29
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RST38hOk, here is what GCC manual says:19:30
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RST38hWhen you enable pic, GCC will use a register to keep pic base, that will usually be r10 (release) or r9 (debug)19:31
RST38hThere is an option that makes this register read-only, in this case it will not be saved/restored by function calls19:32
Stskeepsi'm pondering the whole maemo-launcher thing :)19:32
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Stskeepsand why it's actually not that bad an idea19:32
RST38hIf I understand things correctly, if you do not enable read-only pic-base, the compiler will use it the same as all the other registers UNLESS the function needs pic addressing19:33
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coldbootWell crap, calling QHildonInputContext::x11FilterEvent() directly from QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand() instead of sending an X event, prevents the hildon keyboard from even coming up.19:38
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fiferboycoldboot: How are you doing it?19:41
coldbootLike this:
fiferboyThe filter event is applied to the widget by installing an event filter.  If you just call the function it will not monitor events19:44
Luke-JrRST38h: from the ARM code I have looked at, it seems to depend very much on the position of its strings/data19:44
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fiferboycoldboot: As to why the OSK doesn't even pop up, I'm not sure19:47
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fiferboycoldboot: Ah, you have re-logiced when the XSendEvent is executed, it probably isn't getting called now19:49
RST38hLuke: Yes, the code itself should be position independent by nature19:49
RST38hLuke: Because all the jumps are relative19:50
RST38hStskeeps: I think you will be interested in this:
xnt14I just crashed my 787 in flightgear xD19:50
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GAN800Bleh, Flightgear.19:51
GAN800X-Plane FTW.19:51
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GAN800xnt14, gotta learn helos.19:51
ShadowJKI love the helis in flightgear :)19:52
ShadowJKespecially the R22 and bo10519:52
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xnt14ill try that next ;)19:53
ShadowJKdoes your computer have enough gigahurtz to handle multiplayer?19:53
StskeepsRST38h: oh, yes.19:54
ShadowJK(the first 12 or so crashes newbies do with the chopper is quite predictable) :P19:54
StskeepsRST38h: .. arm719:54
xnt14pentium D 2.80ghz dual core :P19:54
GAN800Hughes 500D.19:54
StskeepsRST38h: bit out of our league19:54
ShadowJKxnt14, a bit weak then, believe it or not ;)19:54
StskeepsRST38h: but yes, i would love to hack something like that :P19:55
xnt14well maybe if I stop running compiz at the same time......19:55
GAN800I need to start doing flyins again19:55
RST38hSts: well, MMU-less Linux exists19:55
GAN800Formation with two dozen people is a blast.19:55
ShadowJKI tried the chopper in ms fsim (i think) once.. but it was so dumbed down.. like, I could let go of the joystick and the chopper didn't instantly crash. hmph19:55
xnt14I want to fly a f16 next :P19:55
StskeepsRST38h: sure, but when we're on the good side of 64mb and MMU is a needed thing for Maemo..19:55
RST38hShadowJK: Do you get to fly a UFO?19:55
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ShadowJKxnt14, in flightgear CVS version they added a key on the F16 to disable fly-by-wire :-)19:55
ShadowJKRST38h, I haven't tried it19:56
GAN800Fighters are surprisingly boring.19:56
ShadowJKit sounds kinda boring19:56
Luke-JrRST38h: not all the jumps19:56
GAN800Unless you're floating a Su-37 with afterburners. ;)19:56
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RST38hLuke: Well, I guess you can find a situation that requires an absolute address, but it is way less frequent than in x8619:56
Luke-Jrok ☺19:57
Luke-JrI don't know x8619:57
ShadowJKGAN800, the f14 in flightgear is fun. It has radar to play with, and the wings fall off if you pull too many Gs. It makes it fun to chase other people in tomcats in multiplayer :-)19:57
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Luke-JrRST38h: it does make diffing asm code a pain though19:57
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locutusShadowJK: hmhm, last time i tried flightgear it was dog slow :-(19:57
GAN800Warbirds III was the best.19:57
Luke-JrRST38h: I tried diffing the two BMEs... ugh19:57
RST38hDiff intelligently19:57
StskeepsRST38h: ok, ARM7TDMI is actually ARM v4t19:58
Luke-Jr'diff' isn't extensible19:58
wazd_n800reheya all =)19:58
* RST38h has got a few PERL scripts for diffing assemler and execution logs19:58
RST38hhey wazd19:58
Luke-JrRST38h: is there a Perl module for diffing?19:58
RST38hSts: Ah almost like GBA :)19:58
RST38hLuke: No. Should there be?19:58
* RST38h writes his own code19:58
locutusGAN800: does Flightgear actually model the thrust vectoring?19:58
ShadowJKlocutus, my Sempron3100+Geforce7600GT was 30ish fps in multiplayer19:58
ShadowJKlocutus, yes19:58
Luke-JrRST38h: I don't want to figure out the diff algorithm myself :/19:58
Stskeepsah, armv4t without mmu19:58
RST38hSts: But it has got thumb :O)19:59
Luke-JrRST38h: it would be easier if I could just define a sub that returns whether two lines are "intelligently" equal or not19:59
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ShadowJKlocutus, this has unfortunate side effects in the SU37 when afterburners come on and your manouver is suddenly amplified 2X :)19:59
RST38hLuke: You want regular expression matching19:59
RST38hLuke: google for perlre19:59
Luke-JrRST38h: … I know perlre19:59
Luke-Jrthat doesn't help with the diff itself19:59
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* Stskeeps really needs to find that contact within Marvell that does mp4 player reference OS based on Diablo20:00
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ShadowJKThis is the most unflyable plane in flightgear that I've found. I am betting the real life version was nearly unflyable too.
GAN800locutus, I fly X-Plane.20:00
* ShadowJK does a barrell roll in the chopper20:01
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coldbootfiferboy: I did that intentionally, I didn't want XSendEvent to get called in most cases.20:05
coldbootfiferboy: But that's probably interrupting the "show hildon keyboard" event...20:05
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fiferboyYes, you are only calling it on the hide keyboard event, not the show keyboard event...20:05
coldbootfiferboy: I'm trying to find a way to get the event to happen, while not using a winId()20:05
coldbootDoes HILDON_IM_SHOW need a widget?20:06
fiferboyIt is just a different number in the enumeration for HildonImCommands20:06
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fiferboyYou could try if (cmd == HILDON_IM_HIDE || cmd == HILDON_IM_SHOW )20:07
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coldbootfiferboy: Yeah I was just thinking about that.20:08
coldbootfiferboy: But surely there will be other commands that will not work, that are not widget-specific, similar to hide and show.20:09
xnt14im back20:10
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xnt14i fly xplane on my ipod20:10
fiferboycoldboot: Hmm, yes20:10
* xnt14 wants a xplane port to the nits (n900)20:10
xnt14johnsq, hi20:10
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xnt14argh! I still can't figure out how to fly this heli xD20:16
xnt14ill just fly a f16 now20:16
ShadowJKyeah you need to read the flightgear wiki page on helicopter flight :)20:16
xnt14wait :)
xnt14the plane looks cool xDDDD20:17
* xnt14 installs it20:17
ShadowJKeven then it takes a day of intensive training before you'll be able to land(crash) the chopper with enough precision to hit the runway :P20:17
RST38hDoes Flightgear have nazi experimental planes?20:17
ShadowJKive seen volksjaeger20:17
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RST38hShadowJK: dark germanic genius at its best (although I can't help but think that hallucionogenic mushrooms also were involved)20:23
ShadowJKthe youtube video of the lippisch coaldust powered ramjet interceptor is damn awesome20:23
ShadowJKhave you seen it?20:23
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RST38hShadowJK: !!!20:25
RST38hShadowJK: The direct cycle nuclear jet engine =)20:26
ShadowJKthe soviets actually had a bomber with nuclear reactor and electricly powered engines :-)20:26
RST38hYes, I know. It is kinda legendary among Russian plane fans20:26
ShadowJKDownside was the life expectency of the crew.. not that great20:27
RST38hThat and the flying tank20:27
thunderfestis there anywhere I can get the source of liqbase and liqbase-playground?20:27
lbtsadly lcuk can't type "git push" ....20:28
lbtoffer him a sausage wrapped in bacon20:28
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johnsqfirst he must typt git commit20:28
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lbthe has issues with commitment20:28
RST38hno shit...20:28
lbtC, C++, C ... you know how it is20:28
thunderfestso your telling me he doesn't share his code at all20:29
RST38hHe does20:29
RST38hYou have to catch him here and ask him for the code, that's all20:30
thunderfestoh ok20:30
lbtyeah, I thought addressing him would catch his eye20:30
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lbttry on #liqbase too20:30
thunderfestoh ok20:31
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: did you have a clue what the powerlaunch issue was btw?20:31
qwerty12_N810Which one? :D20:31
Stskeepsnot starting for instance20:31
qwerty12_N810It started when I last left it, I can assure you that20:32
Stskeepsyeah, it does it off and on20:32
qwerty12_N810Should probably be moved to start-hildon.d20:33
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Stskeepshow's the college preperation coming along?20:34
coldbootfiferboy: Hmm, having `|| cmd == HILDON_IM_SHOW` in there doesn't work either.20:34
qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: Hopefully OK, I have to get my photo taken for their ID card soon :P20:34
fiferboycoldboot: When does sendHildonCommand get called?20:34
thunderfestI miss college it was a great time20:35
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Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: hehe, neat20:38
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coldbootfiferboy: I can't find where it's called with a generic command, only specific commands.20:40
* RST38h tiredly curses SigmaTel20:42
coldbootWhere does output from qDebug() go?20:43
fiferboycoldboot: It looks like it is never called with HILDON_IM_SHOW20:43
Luke-JrRST38h: so what algorithm do you use to detect if something is an add,remove, or change?20:43
fiferboycoldboot: If you run the application from the terminal it is displayed as standard output20:43
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah there is HILDON_IM_SETNSHOW20:43
coldbootfiferboy: This is when you use the debug library?20:44
lcuklbt i bloody well do type git push every single night20:44
fiferboyIt should print it even without the debug library20:44
lcuklbt, and its publically available too!20:44
coldbootfiferboy: But this specific qDebug() is in an #ifdef HIM_DEBUG macro.20:44
coldbootlcuk: To backup? Does it push everything on your local repo?20:45
RST38hLuke: I operate in terms of instructions executed20:45
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fiferboycoldboot: In Qt code?  You probably need that flag enabled20:45
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RST38hLuke: Accumulating all values printed for each executed instruction in a hash and then comparing hashes20:45
lcukno coldboot, it goes to my account20:45
lcuki changed from crappy private hosting when i made the package20:45
lcukthunderfest hi20:46
Luke-JrRST38h: uh⁇20:46
Luke-JrRST38h: so you only compare the output?20:46
fiferboycoldboot: try using || cmd == HILDON_IM_SETNSHOW then20:46
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah, trying that.20:47
lcuklbt, one other thing, maemo extras-devel includes full source when packages are uploaded ;)20:47
fiferboycoldboot: line 686, does it look like the second half should be commented out like line 644?20:48
fiferboyProbably doesn't mean anything, but...20:48
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RST38hLuke: I parse and compare output20:49
coldbootfiferboy: You mean the `break;`?20:49
RST38hLuke: this includes disassembly, register states, stack state, and any memory accesses printed as messages20:49
coldbootfiferboy: That will break out of the case statement, when it's already at the end. It's a noop.20:49
fiferboycoldboot: No, the line before that in the code I am looking at20:49
coldbootfiferboy: What file?20:49
fiferboytoggleHildonMainIMUi(); showHIMMainUI();20:49
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fiferboyAh, sorry in qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp20:50
fiferboyLine 644 is toggleHildonMainIMUi(); //showHIMMainUI();20:50
fiferboyCommenting out the second call20:50
RST38hLuke: But if you just want a simple diff-like functionality, choose a threshold (let us say 100 lines) and look ahead 100 lines in the second document - if you find a match there, print it20:50
RST38hLuke: Otherwise, report that the line from the first document is not present in the second one20:51
RST38hAnd continue matching20:51
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah I see that, I'm not sure what it's doing exactly.20:51
fiferboyIt looks like they meant to use the toggle method to replace the show method, but forgot to take out the call20:52
fiferboyProbably not related to our problem, though20:52
coldbootYeah probably not.20:52
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Macerhm. looks like i'm going to stick wtih this aspireone for a little longer20:58
Macerwas going to preorder a touchbook but i had a check fire to make sure it wasn't a piece of crap first :)20:59
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javispedroUSE_XIM in MicroB is #undef ?21:03
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javispedrowhy am I asking? it is21:04
javispedrobut why it is #undef?21:04
Stskeepspossibly conflict with HIM?21:04
ds3build your own touchbook21:04
ds3and learn something in the process21:04
javispedrostill need to learn how him works21:05
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Stskeepstell me when you figure it out :P21:05
infobotjavispedro meant: still need to learn how HIM works21:05
* RST38h feels like a grumpy old man21:05
javispedro(that sounds weird)21:05
javispedroeither way, i've got stdout free in browserd... time to fill microb with printfs21:06
Stskeepswhat are you trying to acheieve?21:06
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RST38hjavispedro: You have got your hands on browserd?21:07
qwerty12_N810RST38h: source has always been in the svn21:07
RST38hCan we, ah, can we hope for a few fixes?21:07
RST38hqwerty: Yes, I heard so, never checked though21:07
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javispedroRST38h: one fix so far, since I'm building 1.0.4-60.2021:08
Stskeepsah, yes21:08
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RST38hjavispedro: GAN had a pet bug tracker about MicroB unnecessarily taking window focus when it starts, three times21:11
javispedrovery noticeable, yes21:11
RST38hjavispedro: And I have one about >1 Flash applets hanging the tablet hard21:11
javispedrobut browser-ui is still closed21:11
RST38hAlso there is a curious bug last encountered by pupnik, where MicroB will refuse loading image URLs when image loading turned off21:12
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RST38h(that option should really only apply to inline images not to explicitly entered URLs)21:12
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javispedrowait. I've just finished building nearly the same version on the tablet and testing it still works, and you're already asking for more bugfixes? :D21:13
* RST38h is always asking for more bugfixes, good thing that you have not touched Modest yet ;)21:14
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coldbootfiferboy: Didn't work either.21:15
fiferboycoldboot: Doesn't pop up the keyboard?21:15
coldbootfiferboy: Nope.21:15
coldbootfiferboy: I've got it checking hide, show and setnshow.21:16
fiferboyTry allowing all of them, but print out the code received each time with qDebug()21:16
fiferboySee what is sent on a keyboard popup21:16
coldbootI need a way to #define HIM_DEBUG21:17
javispedroseems today's public enemy #1 is HIM, isn't it? :)21:17
Stskeepsit's always #1 bug21:17
coldbootYeah, we're tracking down the flickering bug.21:17
coldbootI've fixed the flickering bug, but it's breaking the rest of HIM.21:18
fiferboycoldboot: Why do you need to define a debug flag?21:18
RST38hHaven't they murdered HIM in Fremantle?21:18
coldbootfiferboy: Well it's where the qDebug() call is, and it would be nice to not have to recompile since it takes forever.21:18
coldbootRST38h: Did they?21:18
lcukRST38h, :( no more noodle appendage?21:18
fiferboyRecompiling just the gui library isn't TOO bad21:18
javispedrobtw, with debug symbols is nearly 100 MiB, and this time I... HAVE.. *PROOF*21:19
fiferboyJust do a make in the gui subdirectory and it will build the library21:19
RST38hlcuk: Pray to the Tentacled One, he has got all the appendages you will ever need =)21:19
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coldbootfiferboy: I do make in the gui subdir and it takes 15 minutes.21:24
fiferboyThat's about right, you should be able to test and build almost 3 versions an hour!21:25
fiferboyIt takes me about a minute and a half to upload the file to my N810 once it is built21:25
coldbootqhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp:955: warning: `operator+' is deprecated21:26
coldbootSo what, "please subtract negative numbers instead"? ;)21:26
coldbootWhy does it take so long? I can upload in about 20 seconds.21:26
fiferboyHehe, I've seen that message before21:26
fiferboyI am on an ad-hoc wireless network between my nit and laptop21:26
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rmtHmmmm... just reading about HTML5's AppCache ... *drool*21:33
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rmtTear needs support for it!21:33
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coldbootfiferboy: I pulled out the #ifdef, so it's always calling qDebug(), and nothing is coming up in the terminal...21:39
fiferboyWhat about once the keyboard is up and you hide it?21:39
coldbootOh wait, now it is.21:39
coldbootHad to wait for rsync to finish copying the cached version.21:39
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javispedronsCOMPtr<nsIWidget> kungFuDeathGrip = this;21:44
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mnihi all21:47
Stskeepswazd: pro and cons against having no actual control panel, just things in "Settings" category?21:48
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mnii am new to maemo and i want to join the summit21:52
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mniwhat are the procedures?21:53
fiferboycoldboot: Any progress?21:53
X-Fademni: Registration isn't open yet.21:54
mniis there any training for novice:)21:54
X-Fademni: But I expect it to open within 2 weeks.21:54
mnimay be special21:54
X-FadeThe idea is to have multiple tracks21:54
X-FadeFrom end-user to hardcore hacker.21:54
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mnibut i am novice (core novice)21:55
javispedrohum... virtual keyboard key presses aren't going throught microb... so I assume javascripts can't catch them21:56
coldbootfiferboy: building and eating21:57
fiferboyA good combination21:57
mnifor people like us that wish to come from another country what shaould we  do/21:59
Stskeepsplenty of us will come from other countries22:00
X-FadeMaybe even most of us?22:00
Stskeepsmost will pay their own travel and some will be sponsored22:01
X-FadeOr close to at least.22:01
* Stskeeps is just glad summit isn't clashing with his wedding or something like that.22:01
mniYes like how gnome and KDE does during their summit22:02
RST38hAnyone knows how to tell Ubuntu use a particular charset for displaying non-ascii messages and file names?22:04
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coldbootfiferboy: I've just realized that msg->cmd is set to HILDON_IM_SETCLIENT and HILDON_IM_SETNSHOW when you finger touch a text field, but it's actually msg->type that's set to the key presses...22:05
erik___RST38h: the point is that there is no such thing as non-ascii messages :)22:06
RST38hderf: where do I set this thing to make it system wide?22:06
erik___you can not discriminate ASCII from non-ASCII22:06
derfOn Ubuntu? No idea.22:06
fiferboycoldboot: Can you get the keycode from msg->type?22:06
derfThere's no /etc/env.d?22:06
RST38herik: only where you are.22:06
erik___you rely on the user to tell you, thaht is the current locale, use it22:06
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah, you can, but I don't see where it's being set...22:06
RST38hderf: Checking22:06
fiferboycoldboot: x11FilterEvent has a big switch statement for msg->type...22:07
fiferboyAnd then uses sendKey to send the code to the widget22:07
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah that's what I was looking at.22:07
erik___RST38h: so check your locales22:07
coldbootfiferboy: But for example, HILDON_IM_CONTEXT_HANDLE_ENTER is only in that switch statement, and it's own definition, in all of src/22:08
fiferboyIt is defined in qhildoninputmethodprotocol_p.h22:09
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coldbootfiferboy: Yeah, but not referenced in anywhere but those two places...22:09
RST38hderf: Ok, LC_CTYPE made console work22:11
RST38hderf: Still no luck with Nautilus22:11
fiferboycoldboot: It doesn't need to be, it just makes it easier to read than type->msg = 022:11
Macerthese pills are making me feel funny. my stomach feels strange and my chest feels strange but i'm not fiending for a cigarette like i normally would22:11
erik___RST38h: isn't nautilus that crappy gnome tool ?"22:11
javispedroI'm so definining USE_XIM... try to stop me if you dare22:12
coldbootfiferboy: Yes but where is msg->type being set?22:12
derfRST38h: LC_CTYPE is the minimal solution. Some apps may look at LC_ALL or LANG.22:12
derf(I generally just set LANG)22:12
RST38hderf: The moment I set LANG, it will start reporting dates in Russian22:13
fiferboycoldboot: It is sent by HIM, and retreived in x11FilterEvent by: *msg = (HildonIMComMessage *)&event->;22:13
RST38hderf: Absolutely positively definitely hate that =)22:13
RST38hHmm, there is a solution for the fstab22:13
derfUnless you, e.g., build a en_US.isu88595 locale or something.22:13
RST38hderf: hairy.22:14
RST38hOh, the miracle, somebody hit the same problem before, according to google22:14
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konttori__ /me got accelerometer data to ukmp yesterday. pretty nifty.22:20
Stskeepsshake for next track? :P22:20
javispedro#defining USE_XIM makes it work22:20
johnsqkonttori__: n810 has an accelerometer ?22:21
konttori__well, you can get it for n81022:21
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konttori__So, whatever reason fremantle has it, I implemented it and works nice22:22
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RST38hderf: hmm, the official answer, according to google, is "no way".22:23
lcuk2konttori_, what are you using it for22:23
derfRST38h: Well, now you know. I've heard knowing = 0.5 battle.22:23
lcuk2i was pondering making liqbase slide lists around when you tilt device22:24
RST38hderf: sucks.22:24
derfI still think you could do it with a custom locale.22:25
* RST38h can't believe nobody has thought about it so far. Even Windows has got a solution for this.22:25
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RST38hderf: Yea, guess so. I am thinking of setting LANG and then LC_TIME22:25
derfRST38h: I mean, I still can't get a 24-hour clock on my N810.22:26
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coldbootIs QApplication a singleton?22:27
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coldbootYou get the instance by calling aApp?22:28
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lbtqApp is the global variable holding it22:28
lbtQApplication->getApp() would be a proper singleton method I think22:29
infobotlbt meant: QApplication.getApp() would be a proper singleton method I think22:29
lbtanyhow, yes22:29
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konttori__lcuk2: I'm just reading from the file.22:33
lcuk2yeah, thats the simple part, what are you using it for tho22:34
konttori__for detecting landscape vs. portrait22:34
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lcuk2what do you do when its on its back flat :P22:35
konttori__if x<-600 I set to portrait. If more than -300 i set to landscape.22:35
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konttori__that keeps it to not to jump all the time between states22:36
lcuk2should account for more than x22:36
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konttori__x is all that is needed22:37
lcuk2cos you can be holding it upright or nearly flat but still oriented22:37
konttori__I haven't found bugs on this solution yet22:38
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konttori__the portrait trigger should probably be -650, but that's tuning22:38
konttori__cool. I'll make ukmp release now.22:39
konttori__not yet perfect, but pretty neat.22:39
konttori__try it out in a few mins.22:39
lbtis this randr via accel?22:39
konttori__you mean xrandr?22:39
konttori__nope. I rotate myself22:39
lcuk2konttori_, its based on just a sideways angle, not actually orientation then22:40
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konttori__well, it's based on the left side edge of the device pointing up22:40
lcuk2and what about when x > 700 ;)22:40
konttori__well, I don't support inverse portrait22:41
konttori__so, it stays landscape22:41
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VDVsxkonttori_, do you know/can tell me the sample rate of the accelerometer on the test units ?23:10
konttori__hmm... cannot remember it. ehmm.. pretty high?23:11
VDVsx100hz ?23:11
konttori__at least 5023:11
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konttori__could well be 10023:11
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konttori__I really don't remember23:11
konttori__hmm... I think there was some setting for23:12
VDVsxkonttori_, ok, thanks :)23:12
konttori__so, it's probably dynamic23:12
konttori__enigma works really well with the accelerometer controls23:12
konttori__someone should port neverball to maemo23:12
konttori__would be cool23:12
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VDVsxkonttori_, yeah there's a lot of possible conf's, according to the kernel driver :)23:13
konttori__anyway, the quality is good. data comes fast and seems easy to interpret23:14
VDVsxkonttori_, neverball is openGl, can't be done right now, I guess23:14
konttori__opengl works just23:14
konttori__no issues. gets composited as anything else23:15
konttori__and you can also just go completely full screen and stop composition.23:15
konttori__not an issue23:15
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VDVsxkonttori_, last time I tried can't done anything with openGl, because some parts are missing in the SDk (a lot of them), that was the issue :)23:16
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fiferboycoldboot: Any progress?23:22
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coldbootfiferboy: I've found that when you press a key, it sends code 4.23:23
VDVsxwazd, crapy video :), Playing Quake on an 5800 with BlueMaemo : :P23:23
fiferboyAlways 4?23:23
coldbootfiferboy: I'm going to try calling qApp->x11ClientMessage(widget, &ev, false); instead of XSendEvent.23:23
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coldbootYeah, I'm sure the extra data has the actual key.23:23
lbthave you asked in #qt23:24
coldbootlbt: Haven't asked them anything yet.23:24
lbtmay be worth it23:24
fiferboyDo they know about qt there?23:24
lbtcan be frustrating23:24
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lbtthere's a lot of noobs and the devs aren't always helpful :(23:25
konttori__VDVsx: afaik, it's not an issue anymore23:25
slonopotamusyou were discussing same topic 14 hours ago23:25
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konttori__nice video of q223:26
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timeless_mbpkonttori_: know anything about sofia-sip?23:31
timeless_mbplike where upstream is?23:31
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Guest4819_554any xauth (or xbase-clients) package for diablo for make ssh -x working?23:33
johnsqGuest4819_554: try ssh -Y23:34
woglindexauth is in extras-devel23:34
slonopotamusjohnsq, !!!23:34
woglindeIf i remember correctly23:34
slonopotamusjohnsq, you aren't johnx, right?23:35
johnsqslonopotamus: no, johns is my normal nick.23:36
Guest4819_554ssh -Y don't work23:36
slonopotamusjohnsq, you statically compiled qemu?23:36
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Guest4819_554in fact   ssh -X  command  works well on my tablet....but i cant see my tablet on the pc23:36
slonopotamusGuest4819_554, it's not  your day23:37
johnsqGuest4819_554: you must enable forward X11 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config23:37
Guest4819_554its made it23:37
johnsqslonopotamus: yes, otherwise you must copy the missing libs in the chroot23:37
Guest4819_554i see on some forum i need a xauth on the tablet too23:37
slonopotamusjohnsq, how on earth you compiled it? it dies during linking23:37
Guest4819_554but i cant find any package for diablo23:38
johnsqslonopotamus: gentoo ~x8623:38
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johnsqGuest4819_554: see above extra-devel23:38
slonopotamusjohnsq, i'm on x86_64 and this damn qemu doesn't link23:39
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slonopotamusit misses libc, libm, libsdl and god knows what else23:40
johnsqslonopotamus: I have the last days installed x86_64, i can try it23:40
Guest4819_554extra-devl is allready installed and updated on my tablet...apt-get install xauth dont work23:40
Guest4819_554whit sudo...same issue23:40
woglindeIf I understand right you want the apps from the nokia on your desktop?23:41
Guest4819_554like ssh -x xterm23:42
Guest4819_554but that work23:42
Guest4819_554on my tablet all open23:42
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Guest4819_554but i cant see the tablet on my pc23:42
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woglindehm ah xauth is in sdk stuff23:43
Guest4819_554i dont use sdk23:43
Guest4819_554iam not in scratchbox23:43
woglindeyes but you want xauth23:43
Guest4819_554i think that my issue23:44
Guest4819_554or some source said xbase-client23:44
woglindeyou need download it manually23:44
woglindeand libxxubla too23:44
Guest4819_554from where for both?23:44
woglindestill searching it23:45
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johnsqslonopotamus: just build qemu without problems23:47
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labaudioits look like ssh -x command need xauth23:49
woglindehm seems I am wrong and remembered falsly23:50
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woglindethere seems no xauth23:50
labaudioi know23:51
johnsqlabaudio: you want ssh -X on the device?23:51
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labaudioi want ssh -x THE device23:53
labaudioon my pc23:53
labaudiopc to pc all is good23:54
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labaudiobut pc to my tablet23:54
labaudioi have issue23:54
johnsqlabaudio: ssh -v and see debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing.23:54
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johnsqlabaudio: build xauth for nokia.23:56
labaudiossh -v give me that
johnsqfunny broken package.23:58
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johnsqlabaudio: ssh -v -X your_device23:59

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