IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2009-07-08

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Jaffalbt: docmaster, bugmaster, webmaster & debmaster00:05
Jaffalbt: dneary, andre, X-Fade and jeremiah00:05
lbtta :)00:05
JaffaAdditional work is contracted out to companies like Nemein to work on the website (e.g. bergie)00:05
lbtwas thinking about what we need as a community00:06
lbtwhat we lack that is00:06
lbtand flashmaster sprang to mind00:06
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* Jaffa beds on that thought.00:06
lbta graphic designer00:07
Stskeepsflashmaster? flashmobs?;)00:07
lbtJamie said00:07
lbtOh and can I say, HUGE potential in harvesting open source developers00:07
lbtto develop for Nokia in QT for not only Internet Tablets but Phones too!00:07
lbtand I thought ... "yeah but it'll look crap"00:08
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lbtlook at what benefits we get from having a graphics guy on Mer00:08
Stskeepsthe artists exist in the community but noone to manage them00:08
lbtwondered about sponsoring him ... and yes harnessing00:09
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RST38hlbt: Can't get people to develop for a platform that completely changes with each new release though00:16
lbtsure you can... look at windows00:16
RST38hlbt: Windows does not change with each new release00:16
lbtit goes blue regularly00:16
RST38hMy Win 3.1 code still runs in XP with minnor changes00:17
RST38hand how is this related with platform APIs changing?00:17
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lbtdunno? I was talking about graphics... you?00:17
RST38hI was talking about that huge harvesting potential =)00:18
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lbtah, gotcha00:18
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javispedrothe autobuilder IS slow, how's the machine?00:19
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lcukits not slow, it just starts from scratch each time00:20
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lcukyou have overclocked your expectations00:20
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javispedroit IS slow too00:21
lbtnight RST38h00:21
javispedronow the world is going to end because omweather will not get pushed soon enough00:22
lbtomweather... hmmm00:22
javispedroand all because it's going to spend 2 hours to build dosbox. my fault00:23
Proteousif you don't have the weather you don't have anything00:23
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lbtah yes... depends on closed liblocation-dev00:24
javispedroif omweather is not fixed, at the current rates, tmo will get more posts about omweather than about qt00:24
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javispedroso guess which one is more important to the community :D00:24
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xnt14 :)00:34
xnt14oh crap wrong tab....00:34
xnt14ah well00:34
xnt14it is password protected :P00:34
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practisevoodoosorry guys im suffering a brain failure atm, what's the name of that video converter for maemo, the non-nokia one?01:16
practisevoodooah got it01:17
nomispractisevoodoo: tabletencode?01:18
practisevoodooi was after this one
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javispedroworking omweather is on extras-devel! world is saved!01:21
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javispedroyes! lower temperatures for tomorrow!01:21
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qwerty12_N810I don't need me an applet to tell me the lovely weather England has :D01:22
javispedroIt's also a fine source of entertainment, specially for >4 day forecasts01:24
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javispedroseems the version is still not in good shape01:25
javispedroforecast for sunday = "heavy 0% precipitation"01:25
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javispedroand 0% relative humidity... I guess I'd better stay home01:26
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javispedro"weather data provided by (null)" yes, something is fishy01:28
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andreaupgrading from bora to diablo... Is it possible with a dist-upgrade or is it crazy? :-)02:41
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b0unc3andrea: impossible02:43
andreawhat should be the correct way? Reflashing to os2008?02:44
b0unc3yes, I think so02:44
b0unc3andrea: ma sei italiano ?02:45
andreab0unc3: sì! :D02:45
b0unc3ottimo :)02:45
andreaalla faccia:)02:45
andreab0unc3: il problema è omweather: la nuova versione è per diablo :-)))02:46
andreanon so se hanno intenzione di farne una anche per il vecchio bora02:46
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javispedrothis reminds me. why is there not a autobuilder for the latest OS the N770 has access to?02:48
infobotjavispedro meant: this reminds me. why is there not a autobuilder for the latest OS the 770 has access to?02:48
qwerty12_N810Technically, if we're talking latest (os2008he), there is the chinook one :)02:50
qwerty12_N810But didn't sound like it went far02:51
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Macerok. i can't take it anymore04:03
Maceri'm going to have to roll the dice04:03
Macerand pre-order a touchbook04:03
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Guest0324_233any complete tutorial for run a ''virtual'' complete n810 fully fonctionnal and operationnal on my ubuntu pc?04:50
Guest0324_233like a real one but on the pc04:51
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zhjaweDoes anyone know how to develop flash application in maemo?06:25
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man_in_shackthe same way you'd develop one for any other platfrom06:27
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zhjaweman_in_shack: Hello,if I want to use gravity sensor in the flash application,what should I do?06:30
man_in_shackgravity sensor?06:31
daniel32708Guys, do you know any wiki or instructions on how to reflash the OS on the n810,  to later reinstall it but telling it to use the SD card?  it really sux to only have the internal memory for apps, its not enough....06:31
SHADOW_Vdaniel32708, chech on there are afew06:32
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zhjaweman_in_shack:yes,the same as iphone.06:32
SHADOW_Vaalso on internettablet talk06:33
man_in_shackzhjawe, what hardware?06:33
infobotflashing is probably
infobotboot-sd is, like,
daniel32708thx guys06:34
zhjaweman_in_shack:in a virtual development environment on PC.06:35
man_in_shacki'm wondering what maemo-supported hardware has a gravity sensor06:36
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zhjawei am using midinux(imitate maemo) SDK.06:39
SHADOW_Vis there a browser for maemo that is close to the iphone or the palm pre speed wise06:39
SHADOW_Vi know there is tear but tear still doesnt compete06:40
GAN800SHADOW_V, the Pre has, like, 3x the CPU. . . .06:40
SHADOW_Vheh the original iphone doesnt have 3x the cpu06:41
GAN800Yeah, and it sure aint faster than MicroB, either.06:41
SHADOW_Vhmm the only think i have used is the itouch 2g06:42
SHADOW_Vwhich is way faster06:42
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SHADOW_Vor is it that unfair of a comparison06:44
GAN800depends how subjective your website selection is.06:44
SHADOW_Vuh mythweb google sites slashdot digg gizmodo06:45
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SHADOW_Vthose types of sites06:45
GAN800All VERY js heavy.06:45
GAN800Which is where MicroB trips over itself.06:45
SHADOW_Vso thats the problem then06:45
SHADOW_Vwell i have been using tear more06:45
SHADOW_Vwhich is faster i have to admit06:45
GAN800FF3a1's js performance was . . . bad.06:46
SHADOW_Vff3.5 is an improvement06:46
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GAN800Yeah, unfortunately merging MicroB with trunk is non-trivial.06:48
GAN800Thus, Tear.06:48
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SHADOW_VGAN800, what do you mean tear is based on mcrob06:50
GAN800Tear is using a recent WebKit.06:50
SHADOW_Vthats what i though06:50
GAN800and it's the only viable upgrade path from MicroB.06:50
SHADOW_Vah ok yeah06:51
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SHADOW_Vis there a viable way to watch mythtv recordings on the tablets?06:56
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xnt14[server]~seen b-man07:13
infobotb-man <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 47d 5h 1m 41s ago, saying: 'wtf'.07:13
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infobotb-man16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 14h 3m 48s ago, saying: ':P'.07:13
* xnt14[server] just flashed his dads nslu2 with linux and is killing himself trying to get it to mount his flashdrive.....07:14
xnt14[server] xnt14[work] | local07:15
xnt14[server]oops im supposed to do that via pm :P07:15
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SHADOW_Vi tried to use dialcentral on maemo and the error i am getting is iter must be gtktree1ter07:17
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FireFox16damn :(07:26
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Maceri'm incredibly anxious to order a touch book08:05
Maceri think i am going to order one soon08:05
Macermer developers...08:06
* Macer grins08:06
Luke-Jryou have GOT to be kidding me08:06
MacerLuke-Jr: what?!08:06
Macerchrome os has arm support08:06
Macerwould go nice with the touch book if the stock OS sucks08:06
Macerwhich i'm sure it does08:06
RST38hMacer: It isn't a joke, right?08:07
Macerit's not april :)08:07
RST38hThat was the first thing I checked =)08:08
Luke-JrGoogle sucks08:08
Macerandroid is awesome08:09
Macerwell... on a phone at least.. i don't see why anybody would want to run it on an actual computer08:09
RST38hThe article isn't talking about Android08:09
Maceri know it's not08:10
Macerit's talking about a new google lightweight os08:10
Macerfor x86 and arms08:10
Maceri was just retorting Luke-Jr's mindless "google sucks" comment08:10
Maceralso staring at the mer guys because this is going to put them out of business unless they do somethign amazing with mer08:11
Macerthis atom gets hot08:12
Macerthen again thinking back to my n800.. it got kind of hot too08:12
RST38hMacer: Ah, do not pay attention to him =)08:12
RST38hLuke-Jr: Do you like Windows, Luke?08:12
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Maceri think he is still reading the article basking in the glory of google08:14
Maceri think android is pretty good08:14
Macercompared to most phone OSes08:14
RST38hexcept of course for reliance on java08:15
Macerminus the fact that the "market" is a free for all08:15
Maceri don't know of many phone operating systems that don't rely on java08:15
RST38hlike...all of them?08:15
RST38hSymbian, WinMobile...08:15
Maceri suppose java can be made small08:16
RST38hSome custom solutions historically relied on Java (S40, Moto platforms) but not any more08:16
CutMeOwnThroatoh yes... even non-existent08:16
Macerand small means less flash requied internally08:16
Maceryeah but most of the apps for symbian are still largely java based08:17
RST38hMacer: not really08:17
RST38hMacer: I mean, there is plenty of MIDP games, indeed, but most of the actual apps are native08:17
Macermost of the ones i have used were ;)08:17
Macerwinmobile is another beast08:17
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MacerRST38h: yeah i suppose08:19
Macerthere was a midp ssh client i suppose08:19
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Macernothing beats java ssh08:20
Luke-JrMacer: it wasn't mindless, I just didn't care to elaborate. ☺08:20
Macerhi Luke-Jr !08:21
Luke-Jrand yes, Java is the biggest problem I have with Android08:21
Luke-Jrthat alone makes it suck IMO08:21
Macerjava ftw :)08:21
Luke-Jrand Google can't code for crap08:21
Luke-Jrthat's my biggest problem with Google08:21
Maceryeah but they made a nice lookign phone os08:21
Macerbadly coded or not08:21
Luke-Jrnice looking is irrelevant. anyone can make something nice looking.08:22
Macerwell. i've had my g1 for a while and can't say i've had many problems with the os in general08:22
PavlovLuke-Jr: thats clearly not true08:22
Pavlovhave you used linux? :)08:22
MacerPavlov: i didn't want to say it08:22
Luke-JrPavlov: I don't have a computer that doesn't rely on Linux.08:23
RST38hOMWeather stopped working. Hm08:23
Luke-JrRST38h: this is why I intentionally neglect to upgrade it :þ08:23
MacerRST38h: omweather always stops workig08:24
MacerLuke-Jr: i think his point is that most open sourced stuff is badly coded08:24
Luke-JrMacer: ok, true enough08:25
Luke-Jrbut I have to settle for *something*08:25
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Maceri mean i'm no coder myself but it is obvious when you have absolutely no type of control over code then stuff just horribly put together is introduced with a complete lack of quality control but as long as it still works and nobody noticed.. then nobody cares :)08:25
Luke-JrMacer: open source has plenty of control over code08:25
MacerLuke-Jr: lies :) haha08:25
Luke-JrMacer: there is a single person who needs to approve every line of code changed in Linux08:26
Macerand plus...08:26
Maceryeah. i was abou tto say08:26
Macerwell. that is linux :) not the apps applied to distros08:26
Macerfrom what i've heard. compiz is disgustingly coded but it still works08:26
Luke-Jrthis is why I refuse to use GTK08:26
Macerand the pressure is more so to introduce more eye candy than possibly break something that "works" even if it is badly coded08:26
Pavlovcompbiz is.. yeah08:27
Luke-JrQt4 is a rare example of good code, and it's under tight control08:27
Luke-Jrand then there is KDE, the more bazaar-like Qt08:27
Luke-JrKDE sucks08:27
Luke-JrCathedral vs bazaar, clearly the cathedral wins08:27
PavlovQt code is kinda messy too08:28
Pavlovbut most all code is08:28
Macerbut you say google has bad code.. :) i think their base code for the OS is probably good but ocne it is released to the masses you get a ton of crap from people who slap things together just to get things working08:29
Luke-JrQt was also infected by commercialism08:29
MacerLuke-Jr: er.. qt started closed and commercial08:29
Luke-Jrgood code comes from INTERESTED developers with TIGHT control for quality08:29
MacerLuke-Jr: and tha tis the fault with linux08:29
Macerpeople argue about things and BAM...08:30
Luke-JrLinux is just that08:30
Macera new distro is born :)08:30
RST38hMacer: That distro is called BSD.08:30
MacerRST38h: hey08:30
Macerfbsd is the shit :)08:30
Maceropensolaris ftw08:30
Macereven if it uses gnome by default08:31
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Guest6112_925Scratchbox bind mount for user not present. E: Start scratchbox service with 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start'.08:32
Guest6112_925so i made it08:32
Maceromg my son is a  nut08:32
Macerwtf is ee?08:32
Guest6112_925but i can't install Fr. sdk last beta...08:32
RST38hMacer: He is also quoting Cathedral and Bazaar aloud?08:32
RST38hEE is Estonia08:32
Luke-JrEee is a netbook08:34
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MacerLuke-Jr: this asipireone sucks08:37
Macerit's an xp version08:37
Macerit sucks08:37
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Macerafter i give this back to the person who let me use it... i'm going to pre-order a touchbook08:38
Macerand make sure my bank will insure the money if i was conned haha08:38
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Luke-JrMacer: why woudl they do that?08:39
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Guest1742_443 Scratchbox devkit debian-etch not found. E: Please complete scratchbox installation first.08:39
Guest1742_443any solution?08:39
RST38hInstall debian-etch?08:40
MacerLuke-Jr: i will just say some spoof company stole my money without my permission08:40
Macerand that i must be a victim of identity theft :)08:40
RST38hMacer: ebusiness? =)08:40
Macerit works.. it's only $400.. they'd have no problem08:40
Maceri make that in interest in a month off my other accounts haha08:40
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Macerthe goal is to set up my tor servers and issue out touch books to start an international drug empire08:41
Macerwith monthly ssh key renewals and what not :)08:42
Macern800s were the first choice but they kind of suck08:42
Macertook too long to tap at the keyboard... and the n800s and g1 qwerty keyboards take forever too08:42
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Macerother drug empires are seriously too low tech .. i want to capitalize on an outdated market with collaberation and technology upgrades to a profitable industry08:45
* Macer grins08:45
Guest1742_443no RST38H -  debian-etch is not in fremantle repo08:45
RST38hGet it from Diablo repo then08:48
* RST38h wonders what happens if netbooks go out of fashion by the time Google releases its OS08:50
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Guest1742_443not in diablo too08:53
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finntook a picture of a google car in hong kong 2 days ago08:55
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Shadow_Manyone here stream mythtv recordings to their tablet08:57
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Shadow_Mi am trying to install mobile myth but dependeancies arent met09:14
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Shadow_Mhow can i paste using xchat on maemo09:16
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slonopotamusShadow_M, the same way you paste everywhere else09:17
slonopotamusmaybe you wanted to ask 'how can i copy text into clipboard'?09:17
Shadow_Mctrl c right09:18
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slonopotamusShadow_M, on tablet, just select text. it's put into clipboard automatically09:18
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Shadow_Mcopy and paste isnt working in tear09:20
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slonopotamusShadow_M, then fix it/file a bugreport :)09:22
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Shadow_Mok slonopotamus tear doesnt have copy09:29
Shadow_Mthats what i am trying to instgall09:29
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Shadow__Xwhats the distrobution current n810's run09:42
Shadow__Xiam looking at some isntalls that have bora or chincook09:43
Luke-JrShadow__X: Maemo 4.1, Mer, or Gentoo09:45
Luke-Jrmaybe Ubuntu too09:45
Luke-Jrdepending on b-man's random generator09:46
Shadow__Xi just want to beable to watch my mythtv recordings on my tablet and make it somewhat useful again09:46
Shadow__Xbut i cant fulfill the dependancies of this09:46
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tank-manShadow__X, I think there is a mythtv plugin to stream videos thru a web server in flash10:29
Shadow__Xyeah there is10:29
Shadow__Xfull screen doesnt work well10:29
Shadow__Xi wish the n810 had a better cpu10:29
Shadow__Xmost things that i do keep pointing to that10:29
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Shadow__Xtank-man, what are your thoughts of this10:42
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tank-manit says beta, what else is there to know10:51
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Shadow__Xthat i couldnt install it because of a huge list of dependencies that wherent met i guess thats not a good idea10:55
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Maceri was reading the rest of that google os article11:05
MacerThey want their data to be accessible to them wherever they are and not have to worry about losing their computer or forgetting to back up files.11:05
RST38hI had this since...mmm...1993?11:05
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: ping11:19
Stskeepsi have a strange locale problem with my 0.15 image with the strings included, something you can help me track down if i upload a vmdk?11:20
Stskeepsas in, the strings are there for sure but it doesn11:20
Stskeeps't pick them up, even though LANG is correct11:20
MacerRST38h: had what?11:21
Macersorry.  drifted off to another #11:21
Macerhehe.. i just thought it was similar to a book about "cloud computing"11:21
Macerwhere the author stated that all computers will lose their individuality and just turn into terminals for the cloud11:22
Macergoogle is becomming skynet11:22
RST38hMacer: had my data accessible wherever I was11:22
MacerRST38h: yeah but i think the google concept is that they store it all on their servers11:23
Maceri'm guessing a sync every so often like a roaming profile where everything is constantly being pumped to their datacenters11:23
RST38hMacer: never needed Google for that, still do not11:23
MacerRST38h: i'm sure you don't... but the concept they are trying to use reminded me of the book11:23
Macerwhich is true. sure you will have the minorties that try to fight the system.. but in the end...11:24
Macerbillions will flock to google11:24
RST38hWell that is because it is exactly what cloud computing is about11:24
Macerand what if google is the next enron11:24
RST38hMacer: nobody will flock to google for this11:24
RST38hGoogle is not where the death of civilization will come from =)11:25
MacerRST38h: so says you :-P11:25
RST38hAnd you do not need my crystal balls to see that11:25
Macerlol. but the author had a very interesting point on the fact that computers are devolving into terminals11:25
RST38hThey are not. Only in his brain.11:26
Macerand losing all individuality11:26
RST38hThere is a lot more web browsing of course. But computers are not devloving into terminals. Last guys who bet on that lost money.11:26
Macernot really.. millions use flickr11:26
Macer:) and twitter11:26
timeless_mbpStskeeps: unzipping :)11:26
RST38hTwitter is no more than a web based IRC11:26
Macerstoring billions of photos and videos on places like that11:26
RST38hFlickr is basically an online gallery11:27
Macerand careless with their local storage11:27
timeless_mbpfwiw, a bunch of google apps just left Beta :)11:27
Macerbecause the photos will always be on flickr11:27
timeless_mbpand google also annouced Google Chrome OS11:27
RST38hAnd I am 100% sure that for each photo published on flicker there is al ocal copy somewhere11:27
Macertimeless_mbp: what about gmail?11:27
timeless_mbpMacer: including GMail11:27
MacerRST38h: you can't be 100% sure about that11:27
RST38hMacer: Of course, but I am "pretty" sure :)11:27
Maceri am sure of the millions that use it that someone accidently wiped the photos11:27
RST38hMacer: You upload photos to flicker not to store them there. You do it to present them to others11:28
Macer:) tell that to joe dell11:28
* RST38h is not fit for the role of Cpt Obvious11:29
Macereither way it goes though. if google has a successful run with this google os which i am almost sure it will11:29
timeless_mbpStskeeps: i'm grabbing lunch11:29
RST38hSo all this idea of getting exclusive hold of users' data is just somebody's wet corporate dream11:29
timeless_mbpi'll look in an hour or so11:29
Macerthen it is just one more step closer to use being borg11:29
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: alright, no rush - there's some deeper problems i'm working on too so11:30
MacerRST38h: google has become very good at it11:30
Macerthey store their personal email. millions use their docs apps and store stuff there11:30
Macersome companies "collaberate" on google11:30
Macersharing folders etc11:30
Macerno it isn't maybe. someone i know said his company uses google for stuff like this11:31
RST38hThat would be prohibited by our corporate security policies11:31
Macerthey were debating whether or not to use something local11:31
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MacerRST38h: well. some companies aren't creating new nuclear weapons :-P11:31
RST38hWe ain't, but this kind of behavior is still prohibited by security policies11:32
RST38hAnd rightly so, I should say11:32
Macerin the end they noticed that instead of investing money in their own servers why not just use google to do things like this?11:32
Macerand save tons of money in the process :)11:32
RST38hAh, the Architengi character just continues trolling on and on11:32
* RST38h considers closing in for a kill11:33
Macerer.. is it possible to troll a conversation you started? :)11:33
RST38hOf course it is11:33
RST38hYou troll the forum, not a conversation11:33
Macerwell. anyways. i just thought it reminded me of the book about cloud computing and the eventual loss of the "individual computer"11:34
RST38hMacer: Because you do not want Google, the CIA, the FBI, and whoever can hack that web site to see your stuff. Even if it is innocent.11:34
MacerRST38h: oh i agree11:34
pupnikor a competitor11:34
Macerbut some may not :)11:34
RST38hpupnik: Any of the above may be employed by a competitor11:34
MacerRST38h: in the world of co espionage... your boss might be employed by a competitor11:35
RST38hMacer: Then I do not care, not my concern11:35
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wazdhello maemo11:51
RST38hmoo wazd11:52
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floriangood monring11:59
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RST38hmoorning lardman12:23
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StskeepsMikko Jaakkola12:26
Stskeepsdie paste12:26
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qwerty12_N810Finnish hit list? :>12:27
Stskeepsglobal? ;p12:27
RST38hSo, what has this guy done? =)12:27
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JaffaMorning, all12:39
RichiHis there a way to factory-reset a n810 _completely_ including the internal flash storage? the internal storage is full with crap, the file manager claims half of which is copy protected and does not see the other half when i enter the actual directories... strangely enough, i do not see that12:40
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RichiHs/that/those/ files when attaching the n810 to a computer either12:40
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Stskeepsre-flash it and then format memory card from it?12:41
X-FadeRichiH: You can format the internal storage from the file manager.12:41
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lcukmornin maemo \o12:57
lcukjaffa, did you o any more testing on your flightsim12:58
lcuk"fly jaffa, the juicy airline"12:58
lcukjaffa, i hope your flightsim is going to include remotely accessible telemetry data12:59
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RichiHX-Fade: where/how?13:00
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: starting ...13:16
timeless_mbpStskeeps: sadly, my primary workstation is having issues w/ its zpool :(13:16
timeless_mbpzpool history is aborting!13:16
Stskeepsauch :P13:16
Stskeepsi have a osol in a virtualbox right now and real HDs.. it actually works quite decently13:16
Jaffalcuk: steady on boy ;-)13:17
timeless_mbpanyway... what am i looking at?13:17
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: you're looking at a mer setup where en_US.utf8 is the standard locale, and enus strings are installed13:17
timeless_mbplang seems right13:17
Stskeepsnow, why isn't it getting picked up? :)13:18
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Stskeepsi checked, not even app manager has it13:18
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timeless_mbpok, so... the file itself seems ok13:20
timeless_mbpStskeeps: do you have a decent shell?13:21
timeless_mbptry (as root): apt-get install strace13:21
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Stskeepssetting locale failed yadda yadda..13:22
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timeless_mbpok, try dpkg-reconfigure locales13:22
timeless_mbpyou're missing a file13:22
timeless_mbpone of my packages used to provide it13:22
Stskeepshmm, which?13:23
timeless_mbpit's a single file that says "hi, this locale exists"13:24
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Stskeepsah, i think i might know why13:24
timeless_mbplocale-l10-enus1 is the one13:25
Stskeeps(thanks for the strings btw, they're excellent)13:25
timeless_mbp /var/lib/locales/supported.d/ is the directory13:25
Stskeepsgot it - i forgot to localegen en_US.UTF-813:25
timeless_mbpthe file can be called anything but in mine it's locale-l10n-enus113:25
timeless_mbponce i copy that file over13:26
timeless_mbpand run dpkg-reconfigure13:26
timeless_mbpthings work13:26
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Stskeepslocalegen does the supported.d part13:27
* timeless_mbp shrugs13:27
timeless_mbpi've always had a package of mine which provides the file and then trigger dpkg-reconfigure locales13:27
timeless_mbpbut i don't know the formal way to do this nonsense :)13:27
timeless_mbpanything else or can i delete the disk image?13:28
Stskeepsnah, i think we solved it by now :)13:28
Stskeepsthanks :)13:28
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Stskeepseither way, we already have some chinese translations based on the en_US translations now13:28
Stskeepswe'll see how that works out13:28
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finnhave there been cases where formating the SD card still gives the "no filesystem available" error when connecting a card reader to USB?13:29
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wazdAny HTML parcing specialists in here?)14:37
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lcukwazd, you dont need to be a specialist, just have good access to a parsing library :)14:47
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RichiHgreat, if i try to select all & delete all in File Manager, the n810 reboots14:50
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lcukRichiH, i once tried to move >1000 files from one folder to another and corrupted my mmc14:52
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lcuki havent done that since :)14:52
X-FadeRichiH: Why don't you just click on the top-level icon for the memory card. Then menu->tools->format memory card ?14:52
RichiHX-Fade: cause i did now know you could do that :)14:53
X-FadeRichiH: tap-n-hold on memorycard icon brings up the option too btw.14:53
RichiHX-Fade: i did that and there was no format14:54
X-FadeRichiH: There is for me?14:54
RichiHi will look again once it is done locking up and actually usable again14:55
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RichiHX-Fade: ah, it's there but greyed out14:57
RichiHapparently, it's in use14:57
RichiHhow do i find out what uses it?14:57
X-FadeRichiH: removed usb cable?14:57
RichiHthere is non plugged in14:58
X-FadeRichiH: Using swap?14:58
RichiHX-Fade: i don't know14:59
ShadowJK1000 files wouldn't fit in the root directory of either mmc :)15:00
X-FadeRichiH: control panel -> memory -> virtual15:00
RichiHunable to remove vitrual memory15:02
RichiHwhen trying to deactivate swap15:03
X-FadeSounds like the filesystem is corrupted.15:03
RichiHfine by me. which brings me back to my initial question of how to reset the whole thing to zero15:03
X-FadeRichiH: There is no default way to do that. As the user partition isn't touched while flashing.15:04
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RichiHX-Fade: if i re-flash, should it start without swap activated?15:04
X-FadeRichiH: I'm not sure. It might detect the swap file.15:05
* RichiH can't wait for the n900 with properly sized storage & omap3 :)15:05
RichiHX-Fade: i will be able to tell you in a minute or five15:06
X-FadeRichiH: Corrupt filesystem will probably never be solved as this can happen in many ways.15:06
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ShadowJKyou tried to deactive swap, right.. it might've deactivatd it but not deleted the actual file.. which should still be fine for formatting it from file manager15:06
RichiHX-Fade: tbh, i do assume that a FS corruption is very much the exception, not the norm15:07
X-FadeRichiH: Not when you use memorycards which show up in windows and use vfat.15:07
RichiHShadowJK: it would not let me exit the menu unless i clicked cancel, but i did not try to reformat afterwards15:07
lcukRichiH, with any filesystem, assume failure will occur15:07
X-FadeWhen you do not do a nice unmount, it can be corrupted alreay.15:07
lcukthat is true for tablets and desktop computers and laptops and everything else15:07
ShadowJKI had filesystem corruption once.. I traced the problem to the memory card reader I had been using. It silently corrupted stuff both reading and writing... after I stopped putting cards in it, corruption issues went away :)15:08
RichiHlcuk: and keep backups, of course. still, i assume failure is the exception, not the norm15:08
ShadowJKRichiH, ok do you have access to root shell on the tablet?15:08
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lcukRichiH, of course its not the norm, but that doesnt mean one person wont have bacd luck and corrupt everything they touch ;)15:08
X-FadeRichiH: Of course this problem can be solved with some console foo too, but that would require some knowledge on your end.15:08
RichiHShadowJK: i can't install anything, any more15:08
RichiHShadowJK: so no15:09
RichiHX-Fade: assume advanced to pro knowledge on my end15:09
RichiHwith linux in general, not maemo, of course15:09
ShadowJKhm, what happens if you connect usb cable to computer when the tablet is on? :)15:10
X-FadeRichiH: Well, whatever you normally do with corrupt filesystems. Unmount,format ;)15:10
RichiHX-Fade: that is waht i tried :p15:10
ShadowJKthe problem with console-foo is you need rootshell :)15:11
ShadowJKthough if you're lucky, connecting usb cable will make the internal (and external) cards appear on your PC15:12
RichiHhmm, could it be that if i boot normally with usb attached, the internal storage is only shown via USB, but not within the n810?15:12
RichiHif that is the case, i think i just found a way to fix this mess :)15:12
ShadowJKworth a try - as long as it doesn't end up waiting for flashing15:12
ShadowJKI forget how it works :)15:12
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X-FadeRichiH: Won't work as the filesystem is still mounted.15:13
RichiHit seems that if i boot in USB mode, i see the actual root storage. if i don't, i see the internal flash15:13
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RichiHX-Fade: not neccessarily. atm, i am able to run the n810 at amazing speeds (read, i do not have to wait 10 to 120 seconds after keypresses)15:13
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RichiHinput is processed immediately15:14
ShadowJKdid you connect usb cable?15:14
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RichiHDisk /dev/sda: 2013 MB, 2013265920 bytes15:14
RichiHi need vfat, i assume?15:14
RichiHi.e. fat3215:14
ShadowJKcan you do cat /proc/mounts on the tablet, and make sure mmc isn't mounted15:14
RichiHwith the way i am running it atm, i might be able to15:15
ShadowJKwith usb connected :)15:16
RichiHi.e. it's fast enough and seems to work as it is, presumably, intended15:16
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RichiHk, the internal flash is definitely invisible on the n81015:18
ShadowJKdid your PC detect a sda1 partition?15:19
ShadowJKand I hope it isn't the external card if you have one inserted :)15:19
RichiHnope, there is none15:20
RichiHi still need to get a micro->mini adapter15:20
RichiHok, reformatted the 2 GiB partition with vfat, reflashed the n81015:20
ShadowJKdid you reformat /dev/sda or /dev/sda1? :)15:20
ShadowJKah nevermind, what does it look like on the tablet now? :P15:21
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RichiHsda1 as that was what was there15:22
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RichiHfdisk did not agree about the sector count so i did not repartition, either15:23
ShadowJKhah, yeah that's an error that comes by default :)15:23
X-FadeRichiH: make sure the partition size is the same as fs size.15:23
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RST38hASUS seems to be doing better on UI than Fremantle =)15:27
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ShadowJKlol. XP bootscreen sideways15:30
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RichiHShadowJK: _should_ i repartition?15:33
RichiHif yes, now is the time15:33
ShadowJKsome people swear that not doing it is the source of filesystem corruption15:34
rkirtiwoah,this is dangerous! I thought infobot would help me vent my angst at garage's git for accepting pushes only once in n times, and being so horribly slow15:34
Stskeepsrkirti: how does your HD look now?15:35
rkirtirather plain the last time I saw it. I have added lots of stuff after that, but cant test it till I get my adapter's cable back :-| (in an hour)15:36
suihkulokkirkirti: yeah, git over https sucks in general, and git@garage appears to be even a poor implemenation of it :'(15:37
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X-Fadesuihkulokki: Problem is that git doesn't support user management when doing git protocol.15:37
MeizirkkiStskeeps, cool :D15:38
GeneralAntilles We really need some hardware to shut people up15:38
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, green is not better. . . .15:38
GeneralAntillesIt looks like somebody vomited up a Mer logo in the corner.15:38
Stskeepswazd: feel like going over the mer theme and give me a silent beating to make things prettier? :P15:39
suihkulokkiX-Fade: I think most use ssh for authentication (at least gitorious)15:39
X-Fadesuihkulokki: Yeah. Which is not allowed through certain corporate firewalls ;)15:39
X-Fadesuihkulokki: But it is on the TODO list anyway.15:40
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Stskeepsi so hope these chinese translations aren15:40
Stskeeps't and actually swear words..15:40
wazdStskeeps: we're almost finished with VDVsx, most difficult parts are drawn :)15:40
wazd <- keyboard restyling :)15:41
Stskeepsnot bad15:41
ShadowJKthe most evil part about translating swear words from english to chinese with is that the poor westerner has no clue how to type the symbols back into for verification :P15:41
GeneralAntilleswazd, too much iPhone.15:42
ShadowJKMake them triangular shaped15:42
wazdGeneralAntilles: what can I do, it acts like the iPhone one :)15:42
GeneralAntillesThere must be some more radical vkb designs we can try15:42
GeneralAntillesOh, also, the S60 5th calculator has a nice features where it highlights the last key that was pressed.15:43
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: The circular ones with keys in the corners? :)15:43
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wazdGeneralAntilles: it's just a redrawing for now, no changes in functionality15:43
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Yeah, that is very nice when you type in passwords and somebody is watching ;)15:43
RST38hGeneral: "but it looks like iPhone!" is not a valid counter argument :)15:43
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, clearly the toolkit is clued into that fact.15:43
ShadowJKfail: typing in passwords when someone is watching15:43
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, so disabling it would be no more difficult than asterisking them out like it does now.15:44
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Type in your lock code on your tablet now ;)15:44
X-FadeIt keeps the last typed char highlighted.15:44
GeneralAntillesMeh, who locks their tablets?15:44
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Works nicely when I have xterm open with remote root shells ;)15:45
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, play the the edge-case game and you're going to get funny behaviors. :P15:46
* GeneralAntilles goes to pitch a new game show.15:46
* GeneralAntilles also goes to work.15:46
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wazddamn, I HATE typing... Just finished 10 pages of a website proposal document X_X16:02
timeless_mbpStskeeps: can you get some better icons for the other apps? :)16:03
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: yeah, once we have replaced the fremantle icons which we cannot use :)16:04
wazdtimeless_mbp: I'll do that16:04
timeless_mbpwazd: where's my f12 key?16:04
wazdtimeless_mbp: ask VDVsx :D16:05
timeless_mbpask him for me :)16:05
timeless_mbpwazd: i'll trade f11 for ESC16:05
timeless_mbpespecially if F1 shifts right and ESC rotates to the left of it :)16:05
wazdVDVsx: hey, where's f12 key? :D16:06
timeless_mbpwazd: also, would you consider trading backspace for enter?16:06
timeless_mbpheck, having a left stroke over space trigger backspace :)16:06
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timeless_mbpcould i have a right stroke over space for tab? :)16:07
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fiferboylbt: Hi16:07
wazdfiferboy: heya :)16:08
fiferboyAntonio likes finger scrolling, which must mean he hasn't tested it with 4.5.2 on the device16:08
VDVsxwazd, timeless_mbp , with the current layout I can't put all the wanted keys in the screen (home and program are also missing for the mac user), suggestions are welcome16:08
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timeless_mbpVDVsx: so... f12 is not actually important16:09
timeless_mbpbut having f11 w/o f12 is stupid16:09
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wazdVDVsx: oh, and that's all the problem?)16:09
timeless_mbpplease shift f1..f10 over one, drop f11 and add esc16:09
VDVsxtimeless_mbp, f11 is fullscreen in FF16:09
timeless_mbpnot on my mac :)16:10
timeless_mbp(ff-mac doesn't support full screen)16:10
wazdtimeless_mbp: lawl16:10
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X-Fadejeremiah_: ping?16:13
VDVsxtimeless_mbp, the alt key isn't present usually in mac's right ?16:14
timeless_mbpsure it is16:14
timeless_mbpctrl, alt-option, cmd, space, cmd, alt-option, ctrl16:14
timeless_mbpthat's this mac usb keyboard16:15
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VDVsxtimeless_mbp, humm, how do you use the alt key ? ctl + option ? :P16:17
timeless_mbpdepends on the system16:17
timeless_mbpif it's a windows system, the key is alt16:17
timeless_mbpif it's a mac app, it's option16:18
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VDVsxtimeless_mbp, ah, cool , thanks16:18
Stskeeps(comments welcome)16:19
ShadowJKa year already?16:19
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VDVsxthought the same (in October should be)16:20
Stskeepsin october16:20
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Stskeepswe first released quite late but the thoughts were out far before Fremantle announcement16:20
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Stskeepsabout N8x0 not having it16:20
ShadowJKhah it feels like I just got my N810 last month but it's over a year now :/16:20
ShadowJKhow about diamond shaped16:22
wazdShadowJK: what?)16:22
wazdShadowJK: I think it's too extravaganza16:22
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X-Fadewazd: Opacity?16:23
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wazdplease, ask more detailed questions :)16:24
X-Fadewazd: Yeah, sorry lazy/busy ;)16:24
ShadowJKmove row with z half a key to the left? :)16:24
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wazdX-Fade: opacity where/what/why?)16:24
ShadowJKor right16:24
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X-Fadewazd: I meant to say that you need to see the entry field below or have a dedicated entry field bar somewhere?16:25
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HitosHi people.16:25
Stskeeps'lo Hitos16:25
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wazdX-Fade: it's just a screen keyboard, no entry fields there :)16:26
wazdX-Fade: it connects to the desktop as BT keyboard16:26
wazdHitos: hello16:26
X-Fadewazd: Ah.16:26
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wazdShadowJK: hmm, why so?)16:27
wazdShadowJK: then it will be harder to press backspace16:28
VDVsxwazd, now I will need one of your cool diagrams for the first row :P16:28
* RST38h would actually suggest a different screen keyboard16:28
RST38hMake it full screen, transparent, and overlay it on the application16:29
ShadowJKwazd, but makes it harder to mis-press between rows when the columns are misaligned16:29
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wazdRST38h: you've missed the point16:29
ShadowJKRST38h, it's not screen keyboard as he already said16:29
wazdRST38h: that's like bt keyboard for the desktop16:29
RST38hShadow: wazd just said that it IS screen keyboard16:30
wazdRST38h: it doesn't work on the tablet16:30
RST38hwazd: Ah, it is for bluemaemo16:30
RST38hOk, I get it now16:30
lcukwazd :) amazing - don't forget, it should be practical to use an older nokia device as a vkb (via bt) with a newer nokia device - a double sized nokia acting in tandem would make for an excellent demo video ;)16:30
wazdRST38h: well, it's screen keyboard technicaly :)16:30
wazdlcuk: new nokia has a hardware keyboard :)16:30
qwerty12_N810lcuk: I use Bluemaemo running on an N810 to connect to an N80016:31
lcukdoesnt matter - the smartq doesnt and lots of folks have n800s which they dont want to just throw away when new one comes along16:31
wazdlcuk: It works in every mode as VDVsx says :)16:31
HitosAbiword has been creating new entries in the Application Menu each time it is installed or updated. Right now I have eight Abiword entries in the Extras menu. Where I can edit the application menu, so I can remove these? I use Diablo.16:31
lcukhaha qwerty cool16:31
wazdqwerty12_N810: nerd :P16:32
qwerty12_N810how did you find out? :p16:32
wazdqwerty12_N810: more than 2 digits in your nickname :D16:32
Jaffawazd: why is it not full screen? Given there's nothing running underneath, surely having the largest physical layout on a 4" diagonal is important?16:33
ShadowJKI wonder if the upper area is left for mouse16:33
wazdJaffa: vertical space doesn't make much sense here and that small row on the top is actually a trackpad surface :)16:34
wazdJaffa: tap here and move to move the cursor16:34
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Jaffawazd: except all the keys could be bigger, there could be a number row, some symbols included etc :-p16:34
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Jaffawazd: Trackpad's intersting though16:34
wazdJaffa: and again, I've just remade the look, cause rearranging all that stuff is a difficult stuff16:34
wazdstuff stuff :)16:35
X-Fadelbt: ping?16:35
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Jaffawazd: Oh, you're just doing a skinning job. Thought it was a mockup/concept for a future version of BlueMaemo16:35
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VDVsxJaffa, number and special char are in the second and third keyboard view :)16:35
wazdJaffa: well, mouse/keyboard switch is an improvement :P16:36
JaffaVDVsx: Yeah, I guessed that. It's irritating having to go to Chr on an N810 for {, }, [, ], | etc. And flicking views for numbers seems overly painful (though I dunno what use cases you're aiming for with the BlueMaemo keyboard)16:36
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RST38hVDVsx: Is there any hope for predictive CHR entry, like on S60? =)16:38
VDVsxRST38h, t9 ?16:38
VDVsxJaffa, I know, maybe we can think in something coller later, but right now, Wazd is helping me in a more strait restyling :)16:39
RST38hVDVsx: No, much simpler16:39
RST38hVDVsx: S60 shows 5-6 last entered CHRs at the top row of the entry table16:39
RST38hVDVsx: So that you can access them quickly16:40
lcukwazd, didnt stskeeps just do a crowd sourcing thing for XML layouts for keyboards?16:40
JaffaVDVsx: And very good it looks too :)16:40
VDVsxRST38h, ah, I get it :), good idea16:40
lcuki keep thinking its possible to read those layouts and use in liqbase, so it should be possible also to do same in other apps16:40
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VDVsxJaffa, wazd is very skilled, and apart from others could say about programmers and designers working together, I like to work it him :)16:42
Stskeepshurray for wazd!16:42
lcukStskeeps, how complex are those layouts?16:43
lcukare they just position and keycap info?16:43
ShadowJKVDVsx, has anyone requested the + and - hw buttons for left and right click yet? :-)16:43
Stskeepslcuk: very simple, not even position16:43
Stskeepsjust row16:43
lcukmm thats a shame16:44
VDVsxShadowJK, they act like hold, i.e if you press - or + you can drag and drop16:44
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VDVsxShadowJK,  a on-screen right and left buttons also exist16:46
ShadowJKand tap works for left click too, but I haven't figured out how to do click-hold through tapping16:47
ShadowJKlike you can do on laptop touchpads :)16:47
* Stskeeps is looking forward to trying the kinetic osso-xterm16:47
VDVsxShadowJk, tap-click and hold isn't implemented16:49
wazd <- mouse layout16:50
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wazdI think I should mark LMB and RMB16:51
wazdit's not 100% obvious where they are :)16:51
VDVsxShadowJK, actually I think, my laptop touchpad doesn't support it to, or I can't figure it out how to do it :)16:51
ShadowJKit's like a double-tap where you don't release on the last tap16:52
ShadowJKor then it was a tripple-tap16:53
ShadowJKI don't actually have a laptop, I've only used other people's laptops :P16:53
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RST38hVDVsx,wazd: I see you have got some free space in the title bar - it can be used to display the name of a device bluemaemo connects to16:54
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RST38hAlso clock.16:55
Erenis there a guide for newbies wanting to start with GSM? :)16:56
* Eren is currently checking on Wiki16:56
ShadowJKwhat do you mean start with gsm..16:56
VDVsxShadowJK, hum, I see the "drag hand" but I can't move the window, too difficult :P16:56
ErenShadowJK: I mean, understanding the core elements, what makes GSM possible and so on.. think it like an "how internet as it's used today works"16:57
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ShadowJKi guess wikipedia..16:57
RST38hEren: Google!16:58
ErenRST38h: of course, google! but I need a keyword :)16:58
ShadowJKgsm is an industry standard, this means 10,000page standards documents written in a type of english unknown to most people16:58
Erenwhat should I learn to play with network?16:58
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* VDVsx is heading back to the Som's work 16:59
Erenthis came to my mind yesterday, I wanted to make an application on my computer to send SMS using my current SIM card16:59
RST38hEren: "gsm" ?16:59
RST38hShadow: GSM standards are all closed, available to people paying lots of $$$ nly17:00
RST38hShadow: Some of the documents have been leaked though, so they can be found17:00
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X-FadeWell, using AT commands you will probably manage?17:00
ErenRST38h: ehm, how it's all closed? so we can't learn what we should do to authenticate with network and the protocol used in SMS17:01
HitosWhere are located the entries for the application menu in OS2008?17:02
RST38hEren: you can send SMS messages through web sites17:02
X-FadeHitos: Control panel -> panels17:03
qwerty12_N810Hitos: /usr/share/applications/hildon/17:03
ErenRST38h: well, right :) but I want to play with the core elements. Think it like "sniffing the ethernet device to see which program sends which packages"17:04
RST38hEren: SMSes are actually sent with AT commands, but you ave to be already authenticated and also have to have access to the baseband chip17:04
Hitosqwerty12_N810: Thank you.17:04
X-FadeHitos: You can then click on applications organize button.17:04
X-FadeHitos: No need to hack on the filesystem.17:04
ShadowJKIf you have a GSM phone or a GSM/3G modem, they act and talk Hayes AT commandset and behave a bit like a modem :P17:05
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qwerty12_N810Sony Ericsson have a PDF of the AT commands used in their phones @ developer world17:05
HitosX-Fade: I need to. I got a lot of repeated entres for Abiword and the Control Panel doesn't allow me to remove them.17:05
ShadowJKYeah, nokia has one on forum nokia17:05
wazdRST38h: well, I think it's not so necessary info to display it on every screen17:06
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X-FadeHitos: Isn't that what the delete button is for? :)17:06
wazdRST38h: it's shown on the main menu and I think it's enough17:06
RST38hEren: Should I google further or will you be able to serve yourself? =)17:06
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RST38hwazd: It's not, true17:06
ErenRST38h: thank you, that's enough for starting :)17:06
RST38hwazd: It's just that the title looks orphaned :)17:06
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ErenRST38h: I hope I'll be able to find my way using these documents, at least I have keyword to look up :))17:07
wazdRST38h: Whatever :)17:07
wazdRST38h: freespace is a good thing :)17:07
qwerty12_N810Put a fortune cookie there :)17:07
ErenShadowJK: hmm, reasonable, our mobile phones does have simply a modem chip to interact with GSM network. there there are set of rules that operates the system. I guess we can think these as "protocols"17:08
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Erenlike an IRC protocol, MSN protocol etc.17:08
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ShadowJKand you can talk AT with the modem chips, that's the best you'll get :P17:09
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* Eren now needs a linux-compatable modem chip :P17:10
ShadowJKdo you have a cellphone?17:10
Erenof course17:10
ShadowJKDoes it have bluetooth? Do you have a computer with bluetooth?17:11
ErenShadowJK: it has bluetooth, yep17:11
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Erenhm, no my laptop doesn't have bluetooth, but I can solve this problem with usb bluetooth device17:12
ShadowJKdo you have a usb bluetooth device?17:12
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ErenShadowJK: not yet, do you think I can use it as "modem" to interact with network? :)17:13
ShadowJKThere isn't much you can do anyway17:14
ShadowJKsend and receive sms, answer and make calls :P17:14
Erencan't I debug it? :P17:14
VDVsxlolol, best phone test ever : :P17:14
ShadowJKEren, nop17:14
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ShadowJKRead the pdf RST38h linked :P17:15
ErenShadowJK: okie, I downloaded it :)17:15
ShadowJKto get an idea of what they expose17:15
ErenVDVsx: wohoo, great. I'm hungry :\17:15
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Erenah btw guys, what about the "Curse of Silence" attack? Does European GSM carries filter the "payload" ?17:17
lcukarghhh my dns is screwed17:18
lcukcan someone tell me if this works:
lcukcool :)17:19
* lcuk is getting 404 here when i just clicked it myself17:19
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ShadowJKMy nokia phones expose several rfcomm serial ports over bluetooth.. atleast one of them accepts AT commands :)17:22
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inzShadowJK, hint: sdptool search [--bdaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx] DUN17:25
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timeless_mbplcuk: what's w the beer?17:27
lcukmemory indicators :) (stylized, zach is gonna make em proper17:28
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ShadowJKinz, one of the other ones were better for SMS and calls, iirc :)17:28
lcuklike the lemon battery, i just wanted *something* in place17:28
timeless_mbppower, temperature17:28
timeless_mbpstorage, time17:29
timeless_mbpand licqbase?17:29
lcukall of the things zach has background net based monitoring code for17:29
inzShadowJK, oh, my Nokia phones only speak Hayes over the DUN channel17:29
lcukwell, some of em lol17:29
lcuki just put the others there to see17:30
lcukon the full desktop they dont take up much room, but each can be expanded to full screen easily :)17:30
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ShadowJKon my 6230 I can connect to DUN on one channel and have an active internet connection, while I have gnokii polling one of the other RFCOMM channels for signal strength and cellID, so I can move it around until I trick it to switch to the better base station :P17:30
ShadowJKalternating between climbing chairs and hiding it in tinfoil seems to eventually convince it to switch to something else, and with luck it's the one I want17:32
RST38h<tin foil detected>17:32
ShadowJKsome helpful person on IRC once told me an easy way use a car battery to trick the base stations to switch to internal power17:33
ShadowJKhe promised if I did it to all the ones in range that I don't want, there'd only be the one I want left after 4 hours or so17:33
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* ShadowJK didn't try, it sounded like lots of effort17:33
RST38hOh but the effect!17:34
ShadowJKand probably not legal :)17:34
RST38hShadow: Most fun things are illegal in the US17:35
finnformated the SD card again17:36
finnstill no file system available17:36
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Stskeepstimeless_mbp: you want reports of missing strings?17:46
timeless_mbpnot particularly ;-)17:46
timeless_mbpany strings i'm missing weren't in the thing you provided, right?17:46
timeless_mbpin general you should be able to retrieve strings from the other packages i gave you17:46
timeless_mbpi did give you my translate set too, right?17:46
Stskeepsi'll take a look17:46
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lbtfiferboy: hi17:50
lbtX-Fade: pong17:50
fiferboylbt: Hey17:51
lbtnot been overlapping much recently have we :)17:51
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fiferboyNo we haven't17:51
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fiferboyIt looks like finger scrolling will finally get into extras-devel, but performance is going to suck unless they fix raster at the same time17:58
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X-FadeStskeeps: Did you see this one already?;a=summary18:22
Stskeepsno, but interesting18:24
timeless_mbpX-Fade: where do i file bugs?18:24
timeless_mbp   7 These program is dual-licensed under both the GPL version 2 and BSD18:24
timeless_mbpThese program is <****d by non native speakers>18:25
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: I have no idea, this project showed up today.18:25
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: I guess andre needs to add a product for it in bugzilla ;)18:25
timeless_mbpoh, i can do that :)18:25
timeless_mbpwell, if safari cooperates18:25
timeless_mbpX-Fade: shall i?18:26
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: I have no idea what this project is supposed to be inside Nokia. Didn't see any notifications about it.18:26
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: So the QA contact would need to be looked up at least.18:27
timeless_mbpqa's are auto generated by the person who makes the product in bugzilla :)18:27
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Stskeepshm, why was remade today18:29
X-FadeStskeeps: Gets regenerated every day.18:29
timeless_mbpX-Fade: why are tutorial and hig not?18:30
Stskeepswell that explains it :P18:30
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X-FadeStskeeps: Well, imported from SCM every day.18:30
X-FadeStskeeps: But those are published versions. So nothing bleeding edge.18:30
derflardman: Did you see my note about a working version of the QR code stuff integrated with zbar?18:31
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timeless_mbpX-Fade: ok, wpasupplicant has a compoent18:37
infobottimeless_mbp meant: X-Fade: ok, wpasupplicant has a component18:37
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Pretty generic page?18:39
timeless_mbpnot as generic as i expected :)18:39
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: "upload new page here" :)18:39
timeless_mbpi don't see that?18:40
X-FadeNo, but that was what you expected?18:40
Stskeepsyeah, i see Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3, hostapd, and WPA Supplicant18:40
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timeless_mbpanyway, if you have issues w/ the web page,
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wazdWhy still noone hired Michael Bay to direct UI visuals?19:16
wazdIt would be awesome19:16
wazdyou're clicking "phonebook" and BAAAM! Exposions, sounds, vibra, call 91119:17
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lcukwazd, i heard he already did, but noone got out of the press conference alive to tell us about it!19:18
wazdlcuk: oh crap19:19
wazdstupid journalists forgot to put a fireproof suit on19:19
lcuka nokia transformer could be cool (H)19:19
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timeless_mbpwazd: there's no audio19:22
timeless_mbpthis sucks19:22
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wazdtimeless_mbp: one step at a time :)19:23
timeless_mbpthe battery life has to suck19:23
GAN800lcuk, already had one.19:23
timeless_mbpnewer messages at the top19:23
lcukGAN800, which model?19:24
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GAN800lcuk, one of the clamshell ones. Don't recall which. First Transformers movie.19:25
wazdI understand that it's hard to keep your brain cool with modern hardware19:26
lcukwazd, i got the battery looking and feeling proper now :D zach is making it work with the technical stuff tonight
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wazdEven Apple with their Pixar guru's has made slightly more animation than needed19:27
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wazdlcuk: btw that battery icon from the iPhone is one of the greatest fails from apple :)19:27
lcukyeah but this is fully zoomable and dynamic and pretty (and tonnes better than the power lemon i put there at first19:28
wazdlcuk: and btw you don't have the exact iphone's one19:29
lcuki hope not lol19:29
wazdlcuk: too much mistakes in it for apple :)19:29
lcuknothing in linux is perfect19:30
lcukgotta go19:30
wazdBut the fail is that icon symbolizes some kind of a vessel19:30
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wazdvessels are containing liquids in 99.9% of cases19:31
wazdso the first association with this image is that it's a vessel filled with liquid19:31
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wazdbut liquid can't stand vertically like that
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wazdThis icon should be placed verticaly - then it's awesome19:32
sp3000it's not liquid, it's magic!19:33
sp3000neon green magic.19:33
wazdsp3000: it's jelly :)19:33
sp3000of the firm sort apparently :)19:34
wazdlcuk: I can redraw this icon for you if you want19:34
wazdlcuk: it's easy19:34
* timeless_mbp ponders19:35
GAN800You only wish batteries were magic.19:35
timeless_mbpmost battery images behave the same way19:35
timeless_mbpi'm not saying that it's right19:35
timeless_mbpbut apple wasn't the first to get it wrong19:35
GAN800Then they might not suck so much.19:35
timeless_mbpthey borrowed from an existing metaphor and made it shinier19:35
timeless_mbp(and bigger)19:35
timeless_mbpa better icon would be a candle actually19:36
timeless_mbpjust show it burning its wax19:36
wazdtimeless_mbp: well, before this picture everything else was a schematic visualization19:36
timeless_mbpwhen the wax runs out, you're out of power :)19:36
timeless_mbpwazd: um19:36
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wazdtimeless_mbp: like in 10x10 pixels, who cares :)19:37
GAN800I say you just slap a voltage up there.19:37
timeless_mbp16x16 surely? :)19:37
wazdtimeless_mbp: and this is an attempt to draw something photorealistic19:37
timeless_mbpi still like my candle example19:37
wazdtimeless_mbp: old phones had icons like 5x10 :D19:38
timeless_mbpwazd: could you show a candle being dipped into a vat of wax19:38
timeless_mbpso that it gets longer with time?19:38
timeless_mbp(while charging)19:38
wazdtimeless_mbp: that's a too deep metaphor :)19:38
wazdtimeless_mbp: battery vessel is fine, it just need to be finished :)19:39
GAN800Fuel guage19:39
wazdGAN800: simpsons did it :)
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GAN800All modern electronics are powered by blood.19:41
RST38hreally? can I have some?19:41
wazdGAN800: even Pope Benedict :D19:41
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GAN800So, clearly, all of these metaphors are just more lies19:43
wazdthe cool thing to make with multitouch will be a battery apple19:43
wazdyou click the icon, a duracel/energizer battery appears and you need to hold yellow dots to see battery status :D19:43
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RST38hI would rather have an accelerator based battery gauge though19:45
Stskeepsssvb, do you happen to know if Xomap HAL support is broken? (with regards to XKB)19:45
wazdRST38h: that's boring :)19:45
RST38hwazd: Ok, give me a few minutes ;)19:45
RST38hwazd: 1) you can also use temperature sensor to make liquid "boil"19:46
RST38hwazd: 2) When an email comes, you can send a few fishes there19:46
ssvbStskeeps: don't know about this really, I was mostly only involved with performance optimizations19:46
wazdRST38h: :D And an accelerometer to shake and watch bubbles :D19:46
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RST38hwazd: Yep, this goes without saying :)19:47
Luke-JrStskeeps: HAL support is broken, I know that19:47
Stskeepsssvb: alright - just thought i'd ask :)19:47
StskeepsLuke-Jr: Xorg != Xomap :)19:47
RST38hwazd: Instant messages would make the liquid change color19:47
RST38hwazd: or maybe occur as bubbles19:47
Luke-Jrafaik, kdrive is just a static linked Xorg19:47
wazdRST38h: that sounds like some indie UI concept :D19:48
RST38hwazd: And the external LED should light up when you hold the tablet with LED down (i.e. when the liquid flows into it)19:48
wazdOS is a fishtank19:48
wazdapps are bubbles and decorations19:48
RST38hwazd: That isn't much worse than OS as a browser =)19:48
wazdwater = battery :D19:49
* RST38h vividly remembers the version of Xroach where cockroaches had usernames on their backs19:49
RST38hBy squishing them you could kick users off the system19:49
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suihkulokkihmm.. xroach/xbill are perfect tablet games19:50
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RST38hsuihkulokki: well, in the original xroach roaches hid under windows, can't do this easily on Hildon19:54
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power19:57
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coldbootHas anyone here worked on the Qt Hildon code?20:21
fiferboycoldboot: Somewhat20:21
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coldbootIs there any reason for widgets to be native when hildon is enabled?20:22
lcukwazd, thank you for your kind offer, let zach actually make this one work and lets get things in place and see how we do with the other bits and let you see things in motion to understand the complexities20:22
lcukits not just an image20:22
fiferboycoldboot: You mean hildon-themed?20:23
lcukit is my hope we can have as many visualizations like this as possible and let the user choose which is best for them20:23
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coldbootfiferboy: I mean widgets are being converted to native X windows, rather than being Qt alien things.20:24
coldbootfiferboy: I'm currently working on a bug in Maemo Qt with hildon, where flickering occurs whenever you click a QAbstractItemView.20:24
lcukisnt that a generic x11 problem though - and mostly noticable because of the slow speed of our hardware20:25
fiferboyIs that a hildon-specific change?  I would have thought it would be the same in any X11 environment.20:25
fiferboycoldboot: Try the flickering in the 4.5.2 packages, it is even more pronounced because of slow rendering20:25
lcukit might need a maemo specific fix though - purely because no other system has noticable problems20:26
coldbootI'll do some pasting and show you guys the bug.20:26
coldbootI found the cause of it.20:26
coldbootIt's because whenever you click a QAbstractItemView with hildon enabled, the widget and all of its children are being converted to native X windows. This happens once during the lifetime of the widget.20:26
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coldbootI've been talking to Antonio Aloisso about it.20:27
lcukthe x11 conversion is normal isnt it20:27
fiferboyHave you tried disabling that portion of the code?20:27
lcukits how you can use qt over x11 remote things20:27
lcukand does it happen when you click or when you create the instance of the usercontrol/widget20:27
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lcukor is that one and the same thing20:28
coldbootYeah I disabled it and the flickering stops completely.20:28
lcukdisabled what, just the x11 construction?20:28
fiferboyAny side-effects you can notice?20:28
coldbootWhen you click the QAbstractItemView child widget for the first time during its life, it happens.20:28
coldbootAnd it only happens after setCentralWidget() has been called, not before.20:29
coldbootI couldn't reproduce it without setCentralWidget().20:29
lcukonce per click on each item you click on, or once for the entire grid20:29
coldbootOnce for the entire grid.20:29
coldbootSo if I have a dropdown combobox, and a table, if you click one of them, they both flash and clicking the other after will not do anything.20:29
lcukin windows land, we used to be able to put a hold on graphical refreshes for a while until i re-enable them20:30
coldboot1. Click table, observe flash, 2. Click dropdown menu, observe that nothing happens -- and vice versa.20:30
lcuknothing happens? ie no flicker, or nothing happens in it doesnt work20:30
fiferboycoldboot: What does Antonio say about the reason for the x11 conversion?20:31
lcukits needed to get interactive UI controls isnt it20:31
lcukits flickering because of the delay in making them live20:31
coldbootfiferboy: He hasn't replied yet, I emailed him 30 mins ago.20:32
lcukie not at form creation time, but instead waiting20:32
fiferboylcuk: It doesn't sound like it.20:32
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fiferboyIf it is not in the regular linux X11 version20:32
fiferboyIt should need some special reason to be in the hildon x11 version20:32
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coldbootHere's the code that causes it:
coldbootlcuk: I mean no flicker happens, it works fine.20:34
coldbootSo clicking any QAbstractItemView once will make it flicker, clicking any QAbstractItemView again will not flicker. If you setCentralWidget() again, it resets the state and you can flicker again.20:35
fiferboycoldboot: Does a context menu still work after you remove that code?20:35
coldbootProbably because when you setCentralWidget() it recreates all the child widgets, or makes them non-native (alien).20:35
coldbootfiferboy: Everything works fine even if I remove the call to QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand()20:35
lcukcoldboot, can you not just request the winid ah the "showing?" event of the main frame itself20:36
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lcukso it instentiates and creates the winid which is obviously being requested by something else20:36
coldboot'ah the "showing?"' ? What do you mean?20:36
lcukan event which fires when you are about to show the box20:37
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lcuki dunno qt specifically tho so dont know which slot name it needs20:37
coldbootI don't really know this code that well, I've just found what causes the bug.20:37
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lcukthe winid is obviously needed, and stopping it being initialized would be worse20:38
fiferboycoldboot: If you have an editor in the view, can you pop up the keyboard?20:38
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coldbootIt doesn't have a winId initially because it's an alien Qt window, not a native X window.20:38
coldbootRead the giant comment here:
coldbootIt says if the widget is non-native, it will be provided a native handle.20:39
fiferboyI would think that is so HildonInputMethod can work with an editor in the view20:39
coldbootWhich is causing some redrawing and a bit of slowdown.20:39
coldbootWhat is Hildon in the context of Maemo?20:40
lcukhildon is the desktop environment and special gtk widget classes20:40
fiferboyWell, the HildonInputMethod is what pops up the on screen keyboard and sends the keycodes to the field requesting it.20:40
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* xnt14 looks at the log.....20:43
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coldbootThat's what it is.20:43
xnt14irssi needs notifications like xchat......20:44
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coldbootxnt14: Like beeping when someone types your name?20:44
xnt14right now it just highlights20:44
xnt14~seen FireFox1620:44
infobotfirefox16 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13h 18m 6s ago, saying: 'damn :('.20:44
coldbootI wish xchat would highlight the entire line, so you can actually see it when scrolling back through hours of text.20:45
coldbootlcuk: fiferboy: So do you have any ideas how to fix this? I have to write a workaround in my application as I can't redeploy Qt on the tons of devices we have, until later.20:45
fiferboyAs lcuk says, maybe it could be done during the first painting rather than first click.20:46
fiferboyWhere is it called from right now?20:46
xnt14well I just flashed my nslu2 with openwrt, I wonder how to make opkg install packages to external usb......20:46
lcukfiferboy, is there an "about to show" event that coldboot could use to request the winid20:46
coldbootfiferboy: I'm not sure where it's called from. Antonio said to look at setFocusWidget(), and that's where I found the problem.20:46
fiferboyI'll check it out, hold on20:46
coldbootIt has been a long four weeks. ;)20:47
GuySofthey all, there was a post on tablet-talks about it possible to get DVB-H streams on the nokia but not DVB-T, has anyone here tried DVB-T at all?20:47
fiferboyGood on you for figuring it out, though20:47
coldbootWell Antonio pointed me pretty much to where it was.20:48
coldbootBut thanks.20:48
fiferboycoldboot: What sourcefile is that in?  QAbstractItemView.cpp?20:48
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coldbootfiferboy: Which thing do you mean?20:49
fiferboyThe first pastebin link you sent20:49
coldbootThe source files are in the comments:
coldbootComments above the function bodies.20:49
fiferboyGotcha, thanks20:49
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coldbootfiferboy: setFocusWidget() is called in a lot of places.20:55
coldbootI guess it's called when you click on the widget...20:56
fiferboycoldboot: Yes.  The first time it is called on the QAbstractItemView object it installs an EventFilter, and this is what cuases the flicker20:56
coldbootSo for hildon, we need to ask for the winId on creation.20:56
fiferboySubsequent calls do not create the EventFilter, until the object is destroyed and created20:57
fiferboyThe problem is, setFocusWidget is just overloaded from QInputContext, and there is no equivalent for creation20:57
coldbootJust to be clear, you comment out `sendHildonCommand(HILDON_IM_SETCLIENT, w);' in the QHildonInputContext:setFocusWidget() function, while still leaving the eventFilter to be installed, the flickering goes away.20:58
coldbootfiferboy: Yeah, you're right, that is the problem.20:58
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coldbootAh, there doesn't seem to be a place to put a winId() call, then.20:59
coldbootAnd we don't want to force all widgets to be native, I've already tried that and it slows down the whole application even on Scratchbox 2.20:59
fiferboycoldboot: You are right, it is not the EventFilter, but sendHildonCommand21:00
fiferboySame general problem, though21:00
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coldbootDoes hildon call setFocusWidget() on any widget that is clicked, or only for widgets it knows will need focus when clicked? For example, when clicking a QPushButton, hildon doesn't seem like it would need to have focus on it.21:02
lcuki thought the intent now was a quick fix for this specific situation, can't you just add a handler for the paint event (as a test) and request the winid there21:02
lcukafter the first time the winid will be initialized so it wont be bad performance wise and may get round the issue21:02
fiferboycoldboot: It is only on widgets that need keyboard focus, I think21:03
coldbootlcuk: I've just learned that we can actually redeploy Qt quite easily. I'll try the paintEvent workaround though.21:03
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coldbootfiferboy: So for widgets that need keyboard focus, we could have them converted to native on creation.21:04
coldbootOr find a way to have hildon send events without having the widget to be native.21:04
coldbootCould the hildon keyboard, since it's outside of the Qt application, send its events to a single native eventHandler, that will then forward the events on to the alien widget in question?21:06
coldbootThat way we don't have to make all keyboard focusable widgets native.21:07
fiferboyI don't know about the internals of HildonInputMethod (HIM)21:07
fiferboyI'm not sure, but isn't that what qhildoninputcontext_x11 is doing?21:08
fiferboyCan you comment out single functions from sendHildonCommand and see if removing a single line removes the flicker?21:09
coldbootI did already21:10
coldbootIt's this line: msg->input_window = widget->winId();21:10
coldbootThe problem is that sendHildonCommand() merely forwarding raw X events to the widget, for that it needs the winId().21:10
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fiferboymsg is type HildonIMActivateMessage, where is that defined?21:10
H3LLB0Yhi i bought a nokia n81021:11
fiferboyIt doesn't look like it is in qhildoninputcontext anywhere21:11
H3LLB0Yand i update to maemo 2008 version diablo21:11
H3LLB0Yhow i can install nmap to meamo 0821:11
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coldbootHildon should have some interpreter that converts the raw X events to Qt keyboard and mouse events so the widgets don't have to be native X windows.21:12
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fiferboyI think that would work21:13
H3LLB0Yi need help to install nmap in maemo 0821:13
coldbootfiferboy: Okay I'm going to have a look to see if I can convert them.21:14
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fiferboycoldboot: If you don't mind me asking, what kind of project are you working on?21:15
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coldbootI work at Wireless Generation, we're making a program on a nokia n810 to assess students' reading ability.21:19
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coldbootSo a kid reads a book, and you have the book's words on your device.21:19
coldbootYou click the words they screw up, and so on.21:19
coldbootWe also have math tests as well.21:19
coldbootIt's for little kids between kindergarten and grade 3 to make sure they know how to read and do math before it's too late.21:20
fiferboyCool.  Are there many devices that it will be deployed on?21:20
lcukim helping jake to read with mine21:20
fiferboylcuk: With liqbase?21:20
lcukyeah :)21:20
lcukits even better now i have a webserver and overlays21:20
coldbootOkay I've found the translateMouseEvent() and translateKeyEvent() for converting X events to Qt events.21:22
coldbootThey're in src/gui/kernel/qapplication_x11.cpp21:22
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coldbootDoes the "hildon" thing just send keyboard events?21:22
lcukcoldboot, digging rather deep - this hildon thing is central to maemo desktop environment21:22
lcuktry the quick fix lol21:24
lcukit might just work21:24
coldbootlcuk: So you said to have it call winId() in the paintevent.21:24
coldbootWouldn't I have to do that for each widget in question?21:25
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fiferboyI think translating the key events is the right way to go, since having natvie widgets hurts overall performance21:26
lcuktry it on the main thing itself21:26
lcukitsj ust a quick test21:26
lcuki dunno if it will work21:26
coldbootI don't see why it wouldn't work.21:26
coldbootBut if you do it for all widgets, it kills performance.21:26
coldbootIt only needs to be done for QAbstractItemView's children.21:26
lcukthats why you bung it in the one place you are experiencing problems right now21:29
lcuknot even all of them ;) you said yourself its only flickering the first time you click on one of the items within21:29
lcukjust add it to the paint event of the first thing in the list21:29
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fiferboycoldboot: that->setAttribute(Qt::WA_DontCreateNativeAncestors);21:29
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coldbootThat means per screen I have to add it to the paint event of one QAbstractItemView child.21:29
fiferboycoldboot: Try setting that in the kernel/qwidget.cpp code before the other set attributes call21:29
coldbootfiferboy: That will screw up hildon, because it won't be able to forward X events, won't it?21:29
coldbootlcuk: I'm confident your paint fix will work, but I'd still have to add it to the paint event for at least one thing in every screen that we have in the app, and that's still a lot.21:29
coldbootlcuk: So even though it probably works, it's not really an option.21:29
fiferboyIt will still set the winId on the widget you want, I think, just not every widget in the inheritance chain21:30
coldbootfiferboy: It'll still cause a flicker for that widget, though.21:30
coldbootfiferboy: If any alien widget is converted to a native widget, we'll see flickering, I'd guess.21:32
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coldbootI commented out the child scanning code, so it didn't go through converting all children. That reduced the flickering, but it still did it once.21:32
fiferboyI think the flickering is caused because it is setting a massive amount of widgets to native all at once21:32
coldbootThat could be possible.21:32
coldbootWhat's the best way to have it print so I can count how many times it's being done?21:32
user_the n810 works fine now that i reset it to factory defaults :)21:32
user_<- richih21:32
fiferboyBut you would have to do it in the QObject setAttribute function, I think21:32
coldbootfiferboy: Does that only work in the *.so*.debug version?21:32
fiferboyI think I have done it in non-debug libraries21:33
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fiferboylbt: ping?21:35
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coldbootDoes anyone know how to show the hildon keyboard in Scratchbox?21:50
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lbtfiferboy: pong22:00
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coldbootfiferboy: QHildonInputContext::sendHildonCommand() embeds some hildon command in an XEvent, and sends it to the widget. Do you know what the widget does with this command?22:01
fiferboycoldboot: In Qt you can middle click, I think22:01
fiferboylbt: Do you know anything about HildonInputMethod?22:01
lbtnot really22:01
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fiferboylbt: coldboot has figured out where the flicker when selecting a QAbstractItemView comes from22:02
fiferboyBut I'm not really strong on HIM either22:02
lbtjust looking at the backlog22:03
coldbootThis receives the event: bool QHildonInputContext::x11FilterEvent(QWidget *keywidget, XEvent *event);22:03
coldbootSo we just need another way to send hildon commands, and we can fix it.22:03
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coldbootHas the maemo team thought about making Maemo a fork off of Qt's git repo?22:04
lbtah... is HIM sending XEvents to the widget22:05
slonopotamuscoldboot, nooooooo! stop forking the whole world22:05
lbtcoldboot: it is a fork22:05
coldbootlbt: The problem is that since it wants to send X events to a widget, the widget gets converted to a native X window, which forces a redraw on the widget and all of its children.22:06
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lbtwe need a Qt proxy that talks to HIM and sends to the widget inside Qt22:06
lbtyeah that sucks22:06
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fiferboyIt would seem that qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp should be able to do that, but instead converts widgets to native x11 windows to receive HIM commands22:08
lbtyeah, thinking about it22:09
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lbtshouldn't it be fine to send the events to the top level window at all times and let Qt propogate them?22:10
coldbootDoes Antonio Aloisso hang out in IRC ever?22:11
lbtyes, he's gnuton22:11
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fiferboylbt: I would think that would work, Qt knows what widget has keyboard focus22:12
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lbtThere are some hacks in HIM that cause us other problems - focus based on mouse-release events done deep in the ev loop IIRC22:13
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lbtI've fetched the latest qt-maemo to merge into qt-mer22:14
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fiferboySo maybe instead of sending the widget winId, sending the toplevel application winId would work.22:14
fiferboylbt: Are you going to roll back some of the painter "fixes" in 4.5.2?22:14
lbtI was going to look at HIM to solve the issues that break scrolling22:15
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lbtno... I guess Antonio/Kimitake will fix them as high priority22:15
lbtwe just need to keep on the beta-test pressure22:15
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lbtthat performance has regressed ;)22:15
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lbtQt hates performance regressions22:16
lbtand having it recently announced for Harmattan22:16
lbtwell, we can't have that now can we ;)22:16
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coldbootActually, the msg->input_window field never gets used in the eventFilter...22:16
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fiferboyI noticed about 6 comments in the 4.5.2 changelog that stated speed ups or fixes for raster22:16
lbtfiferboy: where?22:16
lbtare you using git?22:16
lbtif so sha#22:17
fiferboyI just looked through the changelog posted on the release announcement22:17
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lbtyou used gitk ?22:17
coldbootThis causes the bug: `msg->input_window = widget->winId();`, but is never used in QHildonInputContext::x11FilterEvent(), in fact, it's never used in any of the maemo code.22:18
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coldbootHere are all instances of input_window in the source:
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lbtcoldboot: have you just removed it and seen if it still works...22:20
lbtit may well do so if it sends to the top level X window22:21
lbtIIRC gtk has a lot more native X11 windows22:21
coldbootlbt: I've already tried that, and things do work, but I have to put it on my device and make sure the rest of hildon stuff works.22:21
coldbootDo you guys have automated tests?22:21
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coldbootI mean, does maemo have automated tests for hildon?22:21
fiferboycoldboot: Not that I know of22:22
lbtI wonder if there's a Qt test suite22:22
coldbootlbt: I mean, when I remove those two lines where msg->input_window is set to winId(), the flickering goes away, and nothing else is obviously broken. But I didn't test Hildon.22:22
fiferboycoldboot: You mean HildonInputMethod.  That is likely all that would be affected22:23
lbtcoldboot: does the virtual keyb still work22:23
lbtfiferboy: I hope that still works22:23
coldbootI'll have to compile it for arm, put it on the device, and try it.22:24
lbtif the input_window is not sent out then...22:24
lbtit's not used22:24
coldbootIt's sent out, it's just never read.22:24
coldbootIt's put in the XEvent::data struct.22:24
fiferboycoldboot: What are the line numbers you took out?22:25
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lbtfor tests #qt says QtTest and
coldbootsrc/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp 408 and 1427, from svn version 546...22:25
coldbootJust search src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp for "input_window" and it's the only two hits.22:26
coldbootBoth lines removed.22:26
coldbootThis git repo doesn't have qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp: git://
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lbtcoldboot: what branch?22:27
lbttry qt-diablo22:27
lbtok, gotta go for a bit ... bbl22:28
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coldbootThere's only the master branch for qt-maemo22:33
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coldbootWell, that's all I get when I do `git branch` after cloning qt-maemo22:34
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fiferboygit branch -a22:35
fiferboyYou have to clone the origin/4.5 and then qt-diablo22:35
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fiferboyGit still confuses me22:35
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coldbootfatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing22:36
coldbootDid you intend to checkout 'origin/qt-4.5' which can not be resolved as commit?22:36
coldbootIt's awesome, though.22:37
coldbootThere's no reason to use subversion or CVS anymore.22:37
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coldbootIs anyone working on getting fakeroot working for scratchbox 2?22:40
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fiferboygit checkout -b 4.5          origin/4.522:42
fiferboyThat wiki page is a little screwed up, I think22:42
* RST38h yawns22:43
RST38hWhat's new and exciting?22:43
RST38hAny good flames? Anyone has been bitching about Nokia not satisfying their expectations lately?22:44
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VDVsxRST38h, nokia promised me two hot girls bundled with my last device, and I only got a pair of stylus :(22:48
RST38hVDVsx: You should interpret it as a suggestion =)22:49
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* RST38h fixed ACBB, ACBW, and ACBL22:49
johnsqthey should rewrite QT in python.22:51
suihkulokkiin C# to ensure free publicity22:52
coldbootDoes anyone know how I can get one of my git commits into qt-maemo with Gitorious?22:52
coldbootI obviously don't have permission, but is there some way to queue it up for approval?22:52
fiferboyYou can use git diff to make a patch to send into the qt4-maemo mailing list22:53
fiferboyIs your fix working?22:53
coldbootIt's building. :)22:53
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coldbootI'll test it out and send the patch to the mailing list.22:53
fiferboySounds good.  I hope to read tonight that it works fine and is being implemented!22:54
coldbootOut of curiosity, though, is there some cool way to submit patches with Gitorious? I think Github has it.22:55
fiferboyI'm not sure about commits, lbt would know22:56
fiferboyYou could request membership to qt-maemo-developers on gitorious22:56
fiferboyThey even let me join, so they aren't too picky22:56
coldbootoh cool22:56
suihkulokkicoldboot: you can request merges at lest22:57
coldbootA merge with my fork?22:57
coldbootAh yes. Cool.22:59
coldbootGit is really making everything easier for everyone.22:59
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fiferboycoldboot: Well, for those who understand it!23:00
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power23:01
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lbtcoldboot: you can create a gitorious clone of qt-maemo23:07
lbtand then request a pull23:07
xnt14ok guys brb, im going to work xD23:11
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infobotI herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power23:22
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coldbootDid I trigger that infobot post with my git mantra?23:25
coldbootOr was it RichiH joining the channel?23:25
coldbootAh it's RichiH.23:25
RichiHit's me, yah23:27
RichiHtimriker hardcoded me into blootbot years ago23:27
qwerty12_N810fanclub :P23:27
RichiHwhich is called infobot, these days23:27
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lbtcoldboot: has to be said. qt-maemo and git is.... unclear23:31
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tds5016hello. can someone help me fine and install the telepathy python api?23:41
lbthave you been here:
Luke-JrMaemo != Telepathy..23:43
tds5016lbt I've installed python.23:43
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tds5016I just don't know how to install telepathy on maemo.23:43
lbtnot a user myself ... but that's a good starting place :)23:43
Luke-Jrpretty sure telepathy itself is required for maemo23:43
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tds5016does anyone know of any jabber apis for maemo?23:44
caoticI just found my lost n810 by ssh and mplayer :D23:44
caoticlife is good23:44
tds5016Luke-Jr: it may be, but I need the python api for it :-/.23:44
johnsqcaotic: super23:45
Luke-Jrtds5016: Telepathy supports XMPP. Jabber is an XMPP service.23:45
tds5016Luke-Jr: I need to be able to send and receieve messages to and from a jabber server.23:46
tds5016how would I do this with python, I guess is the question I'm trying to ask.23:46
Luke-JrI don't care much for Python23:46
tds5016unfortunately on this project I have to :-/.23:46
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tds5016I'm certainly not a fan of no semicolons, and no curly braces.23:47
tds5016it makes it damned near impossible for me to read.23:47
tds5016but... I need to use it for this :-/.23:47
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Luke-Jractually, Python tolerates semicolons23:48
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tds5016it does... but it's not standard practice.23:48
johnsqtds5016: #define BEGIN { :)23:48
tds5016the curly braces are what really hurt. haha.23:48
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tds5016johnsq: how do I install python libraries on maemo?23:50
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johnsqtds5016: I don't know, pythons is evil :) much more than c++23:50
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tds5016if only it didn't make using gstreamer so damned easy.... ;-)23:51
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Shadow_Mthere isnt nick complete for maemo xchat correct23:51
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tds5016can anyone help me with how to install python libraries in maemo?23:53
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