| ShadowJK | wish me luck | 00:00 |
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| Luke-Jr | ……… | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | lbt: done | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | 10 bucks there's some kind of watchdog | 00:01 |
| Stskeeps | evening jaffa | 00:01 |
| lbt | Jaffa: thanks | 00:02 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: WTF | 00:03 |
| Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: why do you try terrorism on me if you think there's a watchdog? | 00:03 |
| * Luke-Jr slaps a terrorist label on Stskeeps | 00:04 | |
| Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: because I also know engineers can be senile at times | 00:04 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ping | 00:06 |
| * xnt14 is really bored | 00:06 | |
| * xnt14 sits down and plays around with processingjs | 00:06 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: pong :) | 00:06 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 00:07 |
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| xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/ui/ | 00:08 |
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| * xnt14 tests it on his nit | 00:08 | |
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| xnt14 | :) it works fine :) | 00:09 |
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| ShadowJK | 16 minutes, tablet lives still. now to restart bme :) | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | bme restarted.. doing hal restart | 00:19 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | hey that's funny :-) | 00:20 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 00:20 |
| Luke-Jr | xnt14: that's … wtf? | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | it was reporting 995mAh charge before | 00:22 |
| Luke-Jr | … | 00:22 |
| Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: RESULTS. NOW. | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | and now 416 | 00:23 |
| Luke-Jr | YOUR HYPOTHESIS IS FAIL | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | 500mAh in 15 minutes would be 2 amps of current. this should have made the tablet hot enough to fry an egg on the back cover | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | it's cold though | 00:24 |
| * ShadowJK waits for voltage readings | 00:24 | |
| jaska | portable omelet machine | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | ah gotta let it idle to get useful voltages | 00:25 |
| xnt14 | luke-jr, random crap in processingjs | 00:26 |
| xnt14 | now reload it: http://xceleo.org/ui/ | 00:27 |
| xnt14 | ;) | 00:27 |
| xnt14 | and it runs smoothly on the nit ;) | 00:28 |
| xnt14 | canvas is acting weird on my ipod....hmm... | 00:28 |
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| ShadowJK | well if it did charge i can't tell :) | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | pobably didnt | 00:32 |
| ShadowJK | I need to make something so I can measure current at charger port :) | 00:34 |
| coldboot | The flashing QAbstractItemView bug is indeed because of the hildon input method. | 00:34 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone know of any docs pointing to the best practices for power mgmt (preferably in Python)? e.g. which DBUS signals and Gtk+ signals to stop updates on etc. | 01:28 |
| lbt | Jaffa: no... but please let us/me know what you find.... | 01:29 |
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| Macer | it is like the day that never ended | 01:36 |
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| lesouvage | I have a nokia770 with os2006 and I want to install a msn client . I tried pidgin and gaim but pidgin didn't want to install and gain can't find the protocol (that I had installed) when launched. Are there other option to get msn running (webenabled or an other client or a fix for what is going wrong now) | 01:47 |
| jophish | if nothing else works you could try a java based client online | 01:55 |
| jophish | unlikely to work though | 01:55 |
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| jaem_N810 | hey folks | 02:08 |
| jaem_N810 | I'm trying to use the webapp at http://nowdothis.com/, but after a minute or two of editing, it locks up both microB and Tear | 02:09 |
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| jaem_N810 | I'm not entirely sure why, and I'm not great with JS, so I haven't looked under the hood | 02:10 |
| jaem_N810 | it works fine on my desktop, though, using Firefox or a webkit-based browser | 02:10 |
| Jaffa | lbt: Right, I've got an OSSO power save example. Now just need to find a window foreground/background thingy and I'll write it up | 02:12 |
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| * Jaffa tries his first PyMaemo app in the Fremantle SDK (works on N810) | 02:39 | |
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| jaem_N810 | Jaffa: what is the app? | 02:41 |
| Jaffa | A little accerometer based demo | 02:41 |
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| * lcuk wobbles jaffas chair | 02:42 | |
| jaem_N810 | interesting | 02:42 |
| jaem_N810 | hey lcuk: any idea when you'll be making another release? The demo videos you keep posting are making me drool | 02:43 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/2403094680 | 02:44 |
| jaem_N810 | sorry... >_< I don't follow Twitter | 02:45 |
| Pavlov | lcuk: nice | 02:45 |
| jaem_N810 | looking good... :) | 02:46 |
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| Jaffa | Bah, humbug. Fremantle SDK doesn't show anything except corruption when running on my box when doing anything fancy (e.g. app menus, cairo) | 02:58 |
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| Jaffa | http://bleb.org/software/maemo/horizon.png | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | vomit.py | 03:07 |
| Jaffa | Tsk, and you haven't even seen my code yet :-p | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | This screenshot is making me queasy | 03:08 |
| lcuk | jaffa, that looks amazing :) | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Could just be the aftereffects of surgery, though. ;) | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaff's going to bring X-Plane 1.0 to Maemo 5. | 03:09 |
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| * Jaffa always wonders how big his wheelies are in his car ;-) | 03:09 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Isn't that thing FWD? | 03:10 |
| Jaffa | Anyway, currently not planning on it being a game; just a false horizon/spirit level. | 03:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Maemo's first level application for $2.99 | 03:10 |
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| Jaffa | Maybe even combine with gps, so it shows you things going past proporionate to your speed, and proper height too | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I' | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | d just as soon see no app store on Maemo considering that all it'll bring is 1001 shitting $0.99-$2.99 "applications" | 03:11 |
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| radic | qwerty12_N810: good morning | 03:42 |
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| finn | I can't decide on a phone to go along with the n810 | 05:05 |
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| finn | which will give me internet of some sorts (probably umts via bluetooth), have long battery runtime and not make me pay for fancy camera or mp3 players | 05:06 |
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| johnx | where are you and what carrier or are you on? | 05:08 |
| finn | I'm travelling at the moment (Hong Kong right now) | 05:09 |
| finn | I live in germany, but no idea when to go back | 05:09 |
| finn | don't have any phone or contracts | 05:09 |
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| caoticM | what is the deal with thid metalayer-crawlet that always show a 100+% load ? | 05:29 |
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| man_in_shack | caoticM, it's something to do with building a multimedia metadata database, i think | 05:31 |
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| caoticM | i see , but takes a kick in the balls of my n810 processor | 05:31 |
| man_in_shack | yeah, i've had trouble with it too | 05:32 |
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| man_in_shack | hence why i looked it up in apt-cache show :D | 05:33 |
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| caoticM | man_in_shack: do you use gpodder by any chance ? i think that uses the crawler | 05:41 |
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| man_in_shack | g-what-er? :P | 05:46 |
| caoticM | right so mistery solved | 05:47 |
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| sarower | Hello all, I want to use C++ with C. For this i am including a C++ header in a C file. When simply compiling without adding the header in the C file, it is ok. But when including the header.. it is giving the following error: | 08:56 |
| sarower | "TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass' | 08:56 |
| sarower | TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function | 08:56 |
| sarower | " | 08:56 |
| sarower | Any body any idea please! | 08:57 |
| sarower | In file included from hello-world-home.c:25: | 08:58 |
| sarower | TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass' | 08:58 |
| sarower | TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function | 08:58 |
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| wazd | mornin' maemo | 09:04 |
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| kell | how to add a drawing_area into the plugin area of input method plugin ? | 09:21 |
| kell | The drawing_area is a GtkWidget. | 09:22 |
| kell | Is there anybody who is familar with it? could you give me a tip? | 09:23 |
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| X-Fade | timsamoff: Skipping sleep today? :) | 09:56 |
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| aquatix | morning all | 10:18 |
| pupnik | moonin | 10:19 |
| pupnik | sept conference still a go? | 10:19 |
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| X-Fade | pupnik: No? It is in October? | 10:27 |
| X-Fade | October 9-10-11 | 10:28 |
| X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 | 10:28 |
| pupnik | ahh ty | 10:29 |
| wazd | http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0907/8c/80ea3e5883f8.jpg <- hehe, I'm still lovin' my logo :( | 10:29 |
| pupnik | it is possible to rent a house or boat for a few days | 10:29 |
| pupnik | might be cheaper / more fun than hotel | 10:29 |
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| pupnik | i need a pixel shader xpert | 10:33 |
| wazd | pupnik: if you'll find him - send him to me :P | 10:34 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:41 |
| pupnik | moo | 10:41 |
| wazd | Jaffa: heya | 10:45 |
| sarower | Hello all, I want to use C++ with C. For this i am including a C++ header in a C file. When simply compiling without adding the header in the C file, it is ok. But when including the header.. it is giving the following error: | 10:46 |
| sarower | "TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass' | 10:46 |
| sarower | TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function | 10:46 |
| sarower | In file included from hello-world-home.c:25: TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass'TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function | 10:47 |
| sarower | any idea..? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 10:49 |
| Myrtti | moin | 10:50 |
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| radic | when I connect to an network the there are many python-instances that make a lot of load... | 10:52 |
| sarower | murrayc..! | 10:54 |
| X-Fade | sarower: I suggest you ask the question on the maemo-developers mailinglist or talk.maemo.org. | 10:55 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya | 10:55 |
| X-Fade | sarower: No need to keep repeating yourself, as there are obviously no people here with the answer for you. | 10:55 |
| sarower | X-Fade: Ok thank you | 10:55 |
| sarower | X-Fade: Ok i am so sorry! | 10:56 |
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| Andy80 | hi | 10:56 |
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| Andy80 | has anyone of you worked with MAFW? | 10:57 |
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| RST38h | Moo all | 11:06 |
| pupnik | i didnt know you could mix c++ with c | 11:07 |
| pupnik | hi RST38h | 11:07 |
| wazd | RST38h: hooah | 11:07 |
| Andy80 | morning | 11:07 |
| RST38h | pupnik: You can, carefully. | 11:07 |
| RST38h | hey wazd, pupnik | 11:08 |
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| RST38h | Anything new and exciting? | 11:53 |
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| lcuk | is there anyway to import a GTK glade designed interface layout and make a baseline qt project from it | 12:24 |
| lcuk | something that might allow creative gtk coders to not have to start completely from scratch.. | 12:24 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: No | 12:26 |
| RST38h | GTK and Qt qre completely separate entities, although there was some work on sharing the themes between two | 12:26 |
| lcuk | they might be seperate - but the gtk layout file says "make a window this big, put a checkbox here, a label there and a panel over here" | 12:27 |
| lcuk | if i can use visual basic in windows to create liq* form layouts i am damned sure someone could take the XML given out by glade and at least give a baseline template qt app out the other side | 12:28 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Why don't you simply write a converter? | 12:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Shouldn't be hard to do in PERL or something similar | 12:29 |
| lcuk | i dont know perl and ive got my own stuff to do, i work with what i understand | 12:30 |
| lcuk | and as a vb developer i used the vb addins model and introspection to tell me what to create | 12:30 |
| wazd | damn, Michael Bay really knows homw to make things awesome :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiHsxQJ9ZOo | 12:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Actually... "Qt Designer has been tested with Glade files up to version 0.6.0 and might work with later versions as well." | 12:32 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/designer-manual-9.html and search for "Glade" there | 12:32 |
| lcuk | good, so maybe that could do with some hilighting :) if people are being made to uproot themselves, better to give themselves a familiar picture on the otherside | 12:33 |
| RST38h | wazd: Have you seen the classic creepy Verizon commercial though? | 12:35 |
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| wazd | RST38h: nope, but I'm sure it's Bay that made it awesome :) | 12:35 |
| RST38h | wazd: Actually, the whole commercial was animated | 12:37 |
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| RST38h | wazd: With a huge hairy monster chasing the customer and then hugging him | 12:38 |
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| RST38h | Given that it was the Phone Company commercial... | 12:38 |
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| wazd | Oh my, Sabbath Elevator is really Epic :) | 13:04 |
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| sarower | When i am compiling a C file by g++ it is not working. Do any body knows....? why? | 13:22 |
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| sarower | But if i compile by gcc it works fine! | 13:24 |
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| florian | hi murrayc | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | sarower, it helps to know what errors its throwing up, and isnt g++ the c++ compiler | 13:31 |
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| sarower | lcuk: No error creating but not executing | 13:33 |
| sarower | lcuk: yes g++ is c ++ compilker | 13:33 |
| lcuk | tell you what :) pastebin your entire console log for building and running the app and maybe someone will post some insight | 13:34 |
| lcuk | since you are building with c++ doesnt it make sense the g++ would be expecting a c++ entry point instead of a generic c main() | 13:34 |
| * lcuk doesnt know tho | 13:34 | |
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| sarower | lcuk: yes you are right and most probably it is the problem and g++ is not getting the entry point as it is applet....for maemo | 13:36 |
| lcuk | why not use gcc for making your obvious c thing and forget all about g++ in this instance (unless you have overriding specific needs and which you will need to port more | 13:37 |
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| sarower | lcuk: cause i want to use c++ user defined class (header) and c++ things from this file. | 13:39 |
| lcuk | then you are going to have to readup on how to develop a c++ application and how to integrate standard c code into it | 13:45 |
| lcuk | its certainly not maemo specific and its fairly routine to do | 13:45 |
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| sarower | lcuk: Integrating C++ into C code.... | 13:50 |
| sarower | lcuk: not c into C++.... | 13:50 |
| X-Fade | lbt: ping? | 13:51 |
| lcuk | not directly possible i believe - UNLESS you can use shared libs - then each .so file can be written in its own language and they all use standard ld/elf entry points | 13:51 |
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| murrayc | What size SD cards do we need to put maemo on beagleboards? | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | 1gb or so? | 13:52 |
| RST38h | sarower: Please remember what you promised | 13:53 |
| murrayc | lcuk: I think the answer for him was just "compile it as C++". He's confused. | 13:53 |
| lcuk | murrayc "<sarower> When i am compiling a C file by g++ it is not working. Do any body knows....? why?" | 13:53 |
| murrayc | Stskeeps: Cheers. | 13:53 |
| lcuk | and i answered that | 13:53 |
| murrayc | lcuk: He should probably just call it .cc instea dof .c. | 13:53 |
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| murrayc | lcuk: OK. Thanks. | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | murrayc: going to try out the new HIM on beagleboard? | 13:54 |
| murrayc | No, it's not related to HIM. | 13:56 |
| murrayc | The beagleboards are just to play with. | 13:56 |
| RST38h | murrayc: The answer is "read C/C++ programming books" | 13:56 |
| murrayc | True. | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | alright - you said you had issues with HIM in the SDK, hence my question :) | 13:57 |
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| murrayc | Stskeeps: The HIM library has undefined symbols right now and I get no response from the developers. | 14:00 |
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| murrayc | Stskeeps: Well, it will have undefined symbols when you see the next version. | 14:00 |
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| Stskeeps | lovely | 14:02 |
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| timsamoff | X-Fade: Don't now when you pinged me, but... Yes, I didn't get much sleep. I've got a contract where I'm working with some developers in India. Yawn. | 14:24 |
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| Andy80 | timsamoff, hi | 14:55 |
| practisevoodoo | has anyone got the updated url string to get google sat working in maemo mapper again? | 14:55 |
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| timsamoff | Andy80: Hello... Sorry, dealing with a grumpy little boy this morning. :) | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | was the sprint meeting already btw? | 14:56 |
| timsamoff | Stskeeps: Not until 13:30 UTC... But, maybe not at all. | 14:57 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff, I'm in a tea-pause now :) | 14:57 |
| pupnik_ | Andy80, u german? | 14:58 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: That's good! :) | 14:58 |
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| timsamoff | Andy80: So you made it to work anyway? | 14:59 |
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| Andy80 | pupnik_, no, italian, working in Spain :P | 15:00 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff, yes, I'm here in the office | 15:00 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: Good to hear. | 15:00 |
| pupnik_ | ok, germans call it a tee-pause | 15:00 |
| Andy80 | didn't know it pupnik_ | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: idea.. since Harmattan will basically turn everything up and down - cleaning everything up, etc, talk to Nokia about higher community involvement in it? | 15:02 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: I think that is already the idea. Quim talked about more co-development etc? | 15:03 |
| RST38h | Did he? | 15:03 |
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| Stskeeps | *nod* we should look into it for sure.. i mean, we are starting to mobilize quite a few people in Mer | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | and it sounds like Harmattan has many of the same goals | 15:04 |
| X-Fade | I think we will see more about that when Fremantle finally ships. But yeah. | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | work has already started though - glib 2.20 and such | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | which looks a hell lot saner in harmattan | 15:05 |
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| pupnik_ | :) | 15:08 |
| pupnik_ | which gcc is used? | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | last i saw, gcc4? :P | 15:08 |
| RST38h | You know what is the most surprising part? | 15:09 |
| pupnik_ | k. lots of work to optimise results for arm still? | 15:09 |
| RST38h | oFono has not been mentioned among Fremantle components. | 15:10 |
| pupnik_ | hmm | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: marketing secret still probably | 15:10 |
| RST38h | Sts: Ah come one, it is an open framework | 15:10 |
| RST38h | You can look at the source code straight from the CVS | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i know, but implying that fremantle has it.. :P | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Hmmm...yes, I see... Phone functionality has never been officially announced | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | It's just a smaller screened, more pocketable device with lots of references in its source code to telephony & GSM. | 15:12 |
| Jaffa | Of *course* it's not a phone | 15:12 |
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| Andy80 | timsamoff, what is the channel of the meeting? this or another one? | 15:16 |
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| Jaffa | Andy80: #maemo-meeting | 15:19 |
| timsamoff | Andy80 (and everyone): The meeting is held in #maemo-meeting. | 15:19 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: :p | 15:19 |
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| Andy80 | don't know if I'll able to discuss, but I'll try to follow a bit | 15:20 |
| amr | there's a maemo meeting? :o | 15:20 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff, I think we should twitter this :D it would have more visibility | 15:21 |
| timsamoff | Andy80: I think it's gottenplenty of exposure. ;) | 15:22 |
| Andy80 | timsamoff, uhm.... you undervalue facebook+twitter ;) | 15:24 |
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| timsamoff | Andy80: No.... I tried it before, but certain people said it wasn't even enough! :p | 15:24 |
| timsamoff | And, there are SO many social avenues to keep track of. | 15:25 |
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| Andy80 | are you sure there's enough visibility? Cannot find anything on maemo.org (home page), nor wiki :\ | 15:32 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, Stskeeps , about the co-development idea, there will be some session about it in the summit: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Maemo_Co-Creation_Working_Session | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, guess i have to show up for that | 15:35 |
| VDVsx | hello dneary :) | 15:35 |
| dneary | hello | 15:35 |
| dneary | VDVsx: /join #maemo-meeting? | 15:35 |
| VDVsx | dneary, I'm there too :) | 15:36 |
| * Stskeeps still wonders what to submit a talk on | 15:36 | |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, mer ??? :P | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | well, yes, but what within ;) | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we can present Mer 1.0 at that point really | 15:38 |
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| * Jaffa 's idea of "Vala for Maemo development" is kinda scuppered - not worth long term investment given its so GObject based and Qt's the future | 15:39 | |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm still pondering the long term consequences of this stuff | 15:41 |
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| RST38h | No long term consequences, lots of short term ones | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | well long term consequences for mer, too :) | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | we have qt as a first class citizen though | 15:42 |
| * xnt14 is at work........with his xps xD | 15:42 | |
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| RST38h | As in "will have to abandon Fremantle and start completely rewriting all apps right away" | 15:43 |
| xnt14 | and with an HD monitor | 15:43 |
| xnt14 | but these display settings are crap..... | 15:43 |
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| xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 | 15:44 |
| infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 22h 34m 48s ago, saying: ':P'. | 15:44 |
| xnt14 | hmm... | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, will the lesser devices suit qt upheavel or are they best remaining as gtk | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | qt is fine on them | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | add in maemo-launcher support and it's nice | 15:52 |
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| VDVsx | such a wasting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk_gDGYtaLA (the beer of course) ;) | 15:59 |
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| timsamoff | VDVsx: I'd still drink the beer. :p | 16:02 |
| VDVsx | timsamoff, ;) | 16:02 |
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| wazd | RST38h: http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0907/6d/503ea215fcad.png <- check it out :) | 16:08 |
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| VDVsx | wazd, wazd, http://www.valeriovalerio.org/ ,ehehehe, it's CC licensed ? | 16:13 |
| wazd | VDVsx: you bet :) | 16:14 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Do I see a subliminal message there? =) | 16:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: hmm, no :P | 16:24 |
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| wazd | damn, wmplayer hanged my system again... what the heck... | 16:32 |
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| wazd_n800 | damn, that sucks | 16:34 |
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| orangey | hey all | 16:36 |
| orangey | is there a way to make it so that only my telephone / SIP comms go through my bluetooth headset? | 16:37 |
| wazd_n800 | hello there | 16:37 |
| orangey | for example, I don't particularly want the ringer to be via the headset | 16:37 |
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| wazd_n800 | emmm..., guys, who has omweather near right now? | 16:39 |
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| orangey | I do | 16:41 |
| wazd_ | ok, expecting screaming OMWeather users on t.m.o. in 10 minutes :) | 16:41 |
| wazd_ | orangey: try to upload the weather | 16:41 |
| orangey | upload? | 16:41 |
| orangey | what do you mean by that? | 16:41 |
| wazd_ | orangey: er, refresh | 16:41 |
| orangey | OK. | 16:41 |
| wazd_ | orangey: sorry :) | 16:41 |
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| wazd_ | looks like OMW is down :( | 16:42 |
| orangey | "Did not download weather" | 16:42 |
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| orangey | it's been down a few hours | 16:42 |
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| * xnt14 wonders how to parse xml from bash....... | 16:55 | |
| Stskeeps | SAX maybe | 16:56 |
| * xnt14 googles SAX | 16:56 | |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 16:58 |
| xnt14 | okay...? wtf? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=CZB&q=using+SAX+in+bash&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | 16:58 |
| * Jaffa doesn't fancy writing a content handler in bash! | 16:58 | |
| Jaffa | xnt14: xalan to pull out specific xpath entries? | 16:59 |
| xnt14 | jaffa, well, I would be happy if the dreamhost api gave output in other formats.... | 16:59 |
| xnt14 | xalan? | 16:59 |
| * xnt14 googles | 16:59 | |
| xnt14 | um guys, I need bash :P | 17:00 |
| xnt14 | bash compatible | 17:00 |
| finn | reformated the sd card again and I still get the no filesystem available error :( | 17:00 |
| wazd_ | damn, weather.com sucks | 17:01 |
| xnt14 | well the dh api has json output...... | 17:01 |
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| xnt14 | http://wiki.dreamhost.com/API#What_values_does_DreamHost.27s_API_use.3F | 17:02 |
| xnt14 | json,perl,xml.... | 17:02 |
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| wazd_ | ok, fix is comming, don't pannic :) | 17:04 |
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| Jaffa | xnt14: Run xalan from within bash, capture its output. But you've said "parse XML", when what you probably want to do is something with the XML, once parsed. | 17:09 |
| xnt14 | basically I want to take the output of the dreamhost api domains list command and display it in the zenity list view, then I want to take the output of the clicked item and open another window showing the available actions | 17:11 |
| * xnt14 tries that | 17:11 | |
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| xnt14 | heres my code right now: http://xceleo.org/pastes/sitetool_noapi | 17:17 |
| xnt14 | i changed the api key to the test one | 17:17 |
| xnt14 | "If you would like to test the DreamHost API without having your own account, you may use the API Key 6SHU5P2HLDAYECUM" ~dh wiki | 17:17 |
| GAN800 | dneary, don't look at is as an attack on the people, but an attack on Nokia's continued incompetence. ;) | 17:18 |
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| dneary | GAN800: See, it's an attack on the Nokia people's continued incompetence | 17:18 |
| dneary | GAN800: And that's what I hope people can understand | 17:19 |
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| dneary | It's like people who attack Novell & Mono - this affects the Novell & mono team | 17:19 |
| GAN800 | Nokia should have alotted more time and resources to making sure it was good, they didn't, this is the response. | 17:19 |
| dneary | It's not just technical criticism | 17:19 |
| GAN800 | Users are like that. | 17:19 |
| dneary | I'd've loved someone to say "this is a great document, and it's great that we have it, and I'm glad I have a chance to make it better" | 17:20 |
| dneary | GAN800: Communities aren't | 17:20 |
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| GAN800 | dneary, Talk is mostly composed of users, though. | 17:21 |
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| dneary | GAN800: If that were true, the people who are working really really hard to try to make the community happy wouldn't be reading it | 17:22 |
| dneary | GAN800: The issue is getting Talk community members to consider that they're hurting people's feelings | 17:22 |
| GAN800 | Ha | 17:22 |
| GAN800 | Good luck | 17:22 |
| dneary | The reaction may be "awww, poor baby, his feelings were hurt" | 17:22 |
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| GAN800 | Really, I'm the last person you ever want to bring THAT up to. :) | 17:23 |
| dneary | but the reality is, when people are working 60 to 80 hours a week to get things like the HIG out on top of all the other work they have to do, and "this is shit" is the reaction, that's disheartening | 17:23 |
| RST38h | dneary: I do not see any real efforts to make community happy | 17:23 |
| RST38h | dneary: right now the whole thing starts looking like a pr cluster fuck | 17:23 |
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| dneary | RST38h: That's your opinion, and I respect it. Right now, I just want everyone on Talk to have a little respect for my friends actually doing the work | 17:24 |
| VDVsx | GAN800, I would say for tmo: 80% users and 20% dev's | 17:24 |
| RST38h | dneary: trying to ignore this unfortunate fact isn't going to change it | 17:24 |
| dneary | I will note that the one guy who said "I'll do it all, don't worry" did nothing | 17:25 |
| RST38h | dneary: That's your wish, and I respect it :) You won't be able to get the same respect from the Anonymous though. | 17:25 |
| RST38h | dneary: Can I suggest something? A minimal effort, really, but one that will win respect back for Maemo team? | 17:26 |
| orangey | has anybody gotten ko/pi working on maemo? | 17:26 |
| wazd_ | am I missing something while doing things?) | 17:27 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah, nothing, just a bit more forum politics... | 17:27 |
| GAN800 | dneary, be happy they've managed to stick to attacking their work and not them as people. :) | 17:28 |
| dneary | RST38h: We lost respect? | 17:28 |
| RST38h | dneary: Yes. In my opinion of course. | 17:29 |
| dneary | RST38h: Make your suggestion. The worst that happen will be that I disagree with you | 17:29 |
| RST38h | GAN: That would be too low | 17:29 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: can you give me a link, I need something to read while coffee break :) | 17:29 |
| RST38h | dneary: You will simply ignore it, as always, but I will try | 17:29 |
| RST38h | wazd: Any of the "Where is Nokia" threads | 17:29 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: oh, I don't read those :) | 17:30 |
| RST38h | dneary: Start releasing small updates to Diablo backend packages to Extras-Devel | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | Community work is like caring for a wounded animal, even though you try to do good, you still get scratched and bitten ;) | 17:30 |
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| RST38h | dneary: camel, bluez, that kind of things | 17:30 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Only if you are holding it the wrong way =) | 17:31 |
| dneary | RST38h: If I disagree with you, I will say "I disagree with you", that's not ignoring you | 17:31 |
| VDVsx | upgrade bluez in diablo == fuck all the bluez app around :P | 17:31 |
| VDVsx | *apps | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: We(maemo.org) are talking with Nokia about taking over care of diablo after Fremantle gets out. | 17:31 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: The actuall updates better start right now. | 17:31 |
| dneary | RST38h: That's a good idea. In fact, I'd love to see someone from outside the Maemo team take over a patckage they care about | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: We can then do SSUs to update these things. | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: I agree with you, but that is just not possible. | 17:32 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: just push out whatever bug fixes have not been released uet. | 17:32 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Why is that impossible? | 17:32 |
| dneary | RST38h: I don't have the skills to do that, but it's a good idea. You should propose it in Bugzilla or Ideastorm | 17:32 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: There is just nobody available for it. | 17:32 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Nokia has got the packages, the fixes are already done, why not package and release? | 17:32 |
| coldboot | How do you get findutils installed on scratchbox's arm target? | 17:33 |
| coldboot | It's not in diablo... | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | most things are already out there but someone needs to sit down and do it | 17:33 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: This does nto require significant time | 17:33 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: So, I hardly believe nobody can do it | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: We need to get Nokia to push our key through SSU one time. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: After that, we should be able to push updates ourselves. | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: whole community variant thing does take significant logistics | 17:34 |
| coldboot | I was able to download an x86 version, but the arm version says it's not compatible with "armel", and forcing it to install just says it can't find `/lib/ld-linux.so.2' | 17:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: But I am not talking about the whole community dev thing | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: did Nokia say they'd be happy to do that? I remember you saying it was discussed at the mozmae weekend | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: But that needs a lot of planning with lawyers, integration etc. | 17:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: I am talking about releasing updates to the packages Nokia already has, fixed | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, they are. | 17:34 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: No lawyers or integration involved | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: But also only after Fremantle is out. | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: only possible through ssu | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Sts: SSU is nothing more than a bunch of DEBs now, isn't it? | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: That is not true. | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah but there's trusted domains and such | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: It is a meta package with specific dependencies. | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: To update the metapackage, we need to be the trusted party. | 17:35 |
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| X-Fade | And updating a random system package without it, will break SSU. | 17:36 |
| GnutOnMobile | Hi | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: The App Mgr won't install any SSU packages from extras-devel without flipping some bits in one of its configuration files. | 17:36 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: So, ideally, Nokia would push out an SSU which would flip those bits. Alternatively, we could create a package which users would have to install to get community updates. | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: community updates will come, eventually. the know how and people exist, but noone sane would do it in their free time | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | way too big logistics involved | 17:37 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Your assistance is welcome, since this is entirely community (i.e. volunteer) driven - and there's a technical plan on the maemo-developers mailing list | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | we have most of the path laid already | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Sorry, this is not the immediate problem I have been trying to address with the proposal to dneary | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: The immediate problem is to show that the Maemo Devices actually *cares* about its users | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I thought you wanted updates to existing packages pushed out? | 17:38 |
| dneary | RST38h: I disagree with your premise. I like your idea. I disagree with the benefit of the end result. | 17:38 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: Right, but there's not much dneary can do about that since he works for maemo.org, not Maemo Devices | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: And the minimal-effort solution to this problem is to continue pushing out Diablo updates every now and then | 17:39 |
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| X-Fade | RST38h: That effort is not as minimal as you think. | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: I don't think anyone here disagrees that that would be good. See above for the obstacles to any of us doing it. | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Then he should not complain about the tone of t.m.o becoming hostile. | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: That includes certification, testing, doc updates etc etc. | 17:39 |
| Jaffa | If you think installing an extra package would be fine, and/or want to work & test that, I'd be very happy. | 17:39 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Let me see | 17:40 |
| GAN800 | dneary, my own suggestion is for more of these people to come out in the community if they need help. | 17:40 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Doc updates - none, as long as we are talking about the backend | 17:40 |
| RST38h | X-Fade: Testing - Extras-Devel will do it for you | 17:40 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: Sdk updates, docs need to be regenerated. | 17:40 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Certification - not unless the code has anything to do with the RF part, and even there is it doubtful | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: can't update a package from device through e-d | 17:41 |
| * Jaffa agrees with GAN800 in his assessment. Nothing against the people involved, but it's been put out - by Nokia - as the Fremantle HIG; and it's unfinished and been under-resourced. | 17:41 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Fremantle HIG beta. | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | Sts: I can't install a new bluez with dpkg? | 17:41 |
| RST38h | Sts: Or a new camel? | 17:41 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: No, that will break your SSU. | 17:42 |
| coldboot | Does anyone know how to install findutils in scratchbox for armel? It's essential for building Qt... | 17:42 |
| qwerty12_N810 | This repo has to be signed with a Nokia key? The way I see it is that you add any signed repo with a trust-level of 400. | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: sure you can, but you can't assume a user would be able to.. | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | rsalveti, and your bluetooth system | 17:42 |
| VDVsx | ups RST38h ^^ | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | Sts: That is ok, as we are talking about a bunch of power users from tmo | 17:42 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, true. | 17:42 |
| GAN800 | RST38h, don't mix issues. | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: But you can't write to these settings? | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: packages already exists, just not compiled | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: That's correct. And there's already a maemo.org key in there (AIUI). So, it's just a case of increasing maemo.org extras' trust-level. | 17:43 |
| GAN800 | Fremantle HIG, Diablo updates, and maemo.org staff are separate things. | 17:43 |
| RST38h | Sts: Then why not compile and release? | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: We can. We just need to install a package to do it. | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Nokia does it by installing a plan package that uses hildon-application-manager-config to add this repo | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, but that needs manual instal of the package. | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: see it the other way, why dont the power users? | 17:43 |
| qwerty12_N810 | s/plan/plain/ | 17:44 |
| infobot | qwerty12_N810 meant: X-Fade: Nokia does it by installing a plain package that uses hildon-application-manager-config to add this repo | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's all out thered | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Yeah. We could, if we knew it was coming down the line, prepare and test that package, though. | 17:44 |
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| Stskeeps | public svn | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Sts: Because all the "normal" users must have forgotten about their N810s already =) | 17:44 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I wouldn't mind testing that. | 17:44 |
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| RST38h | Sts: And if a normal user does want to install experimental updates there are power users to help | 17:45 |
| qwerty12_N810 | Personally, I wouldn't want Extras to be the SSU repo. Another server on maemo.org, certainly, but Extras can be like a nuclear warhead testing ground. | 17:45 |
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| qwerty12_N810 | s/server/repo | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: WHich is why I was inviting RST38h to help us out ;-) | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | what is the problem with a e-d package or .install that installs a repo and key anyway? | 17:46 |
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| Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: true, Extras already exists tho' | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | e, i mean | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: yeah, we could use a separate component for it. | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Nothing. It'll work. It's just not "seamless" | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | Which means that most users will miss out. | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: free non-free community-firmware-updates :) | 17:46 |
| Jaffa | But if we're going to get some assistance from Nokia, doing all the work now and testing it so it's seamless post-Nokia'-shelp would be sensible. | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, but they can discover maemo.org then.. | 17:46 |
| qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: That has a nice ring to it :) | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: nice and short too :) | 17:47 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: when we have the non seamless working its easier to convince nokia to add as a ssus | 17:47 |
| qwerty12_N810 | :) | 17:47 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: agreed 100% | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | i'm kinda tired of people demanding a house instead of taking a shovel, find some friends and materials and build a house.. | 17:49 |
| Jaffa | So, if Nokia's on board (although I've only got X-Fade's word for that ;-)), I suggest we think about steaming ahead | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Stskeeps was in the meeting too ;) | 17:49 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: still, I'd like to see something from Nokia on the maemo-developers thread (although your word is good enough, I'd like to have a stick for future use if necessary ;-)) | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | same thing needed for mer as with maemo, so yeah | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Building houses on somebody else's land has proven to be unreliable over years | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nokia isn't apple | 17:51 |
| RST38h | Sts: Have I mentioned Apple? =) | 17:51 |
| timsamoff | Jaffa: Did the meeting commence? Is it over? | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: You missed it. | 17:51 |
| timsamoff | X-Fade: thought so... Thanks./ | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | timsamoff: Will put up a log asap. | 17:52 |
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| timsamoff | It's all right... I was just wondering. ;) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | no, but it is a fair comparison. maemo is fertile ground and iphoneos tries actively to remove any community hacks.. | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | we'd be in a lot different situation if we actively built houses in the community :P | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | More do-ers, less talkers.. | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 17:57 |
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| xnt14 | well first I need to compile it from svn :P | 18:04 |
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| coldboot | Why does Maemo use busybox? | 18:06 |
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| nomis | coldboot: why not? | 18:08 |
| coldboot | It's missing a bunch of things like a decent version of find. | 18:08 |
| pupnik | it is small | 18:08 |
| RST38h | you can install find | 18:08 |
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| coldboot | Where do you get it? | 18:08 |
| pupnik | and bsd vi | 18:08 |
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| pupnik | console-* ? | 18:08 |
| coldboot | pupnik: What repository is findutils in? | 18:09 |
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| xnt14 | brb, going to my friend's business....xD | 18:09 |
| coldboot | findutils is not in any of these repositories: http://pastie.org/537160 | 18:10 |
| qwerty12_N810 | You say you've got a scratchbox ;) | 18:10 |
| andre__ | maybe nobody has packaged it yet? :-P | 18:11 |
| coldboot | This is one of the big things about scratchbox that sucks. | 18:11 |
| andre__ | what? | 18:11 |
| coldboot | Rather, the maemo repositories, they're missing things like 'find'. | 18:11 |
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| pupnik | i have find on tablet | 18:13 |
| pupnik | no idea where it came from | 18:13 |
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| coldboot | pupnik: What repositories do you have on the tablet? | 18:13 |
| coldboot | pupnik: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:13 |
| andre__ | maybe sth like coreutils? shrug | 18:14 |
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| coldboot | Nope, I have that installed and I don't have find. | 18:14 |
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| pupnik | sec | 18:15 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I replaced busybox's coreutils with the real coreutils on the device and I'd get "ls -la", amongst others, giving me segfaults :( | 18:15 |
| coldboot | I don't know why they chose to make the primary drive for these stupid devices 256mb. | 18:16 |
| coldboot | If they didn't, we wouldn't be using crappy busybox. | 18:16 |
| pupnik | sorry no, my find is from busybox | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | coldboot: It is not only that. RAM usage is also a lot lower. | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | coldboot: nah, that's not the reason | 18:17 |
| coldboot | Stskeeps: Why, then? | 18:18 |
| pupnik | coldboot, set up a system partition on sd card and go crazy | 18:18 |
| coldboot | I've already installed findutils from source, I'm just saying. | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | legacy, and 770 | 18:18 |
| pupnik | /dev/mtdblock4 255488 211612 43876 83% doin ok here | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | coreutils add 4m flash | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | with bash included, and dash | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | after docpurge and stuff | 18:20 |
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| pupnik | i am like the grim reaper in /usr/share | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | wb brankinhu | 18:27 |
| wazd_ | Gmail Finally Comes Out of Beta | 18:27 |
| brankinhu | Stskeeps: ?? | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | brankinhu: nm :P | 18:27 |
| coldboot | Seems like Microsoft has the opposite philosophy. | 18:28 |
| brankinhu | Stskeeps: what is wb and nm? ò.Ó | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | brankinhu: welcome back, and never mind.. | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:29 |
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| wazd_ | I need food :) | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | i just ordered pizza | 18:35 |
| wazd_ | I think I'm gonna visit McD again) | 18:35 |
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| wazd_ | oh no, I can't get out, OMWeather isn't working, I can't see current temperature( | 18:36 |
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| GAN800 | wazd_, too much McDonald's is bad for you. | 18:37 |
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| wazd_ | GAN800: i know :( | 18:40 |
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| wazd_ | VDVsx: OMG, bluemaemo started to work :D | 18:50 |
| VDVsx | wazd_, lol | 18:51 |
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| wazd_ | GAN800: see, McD is not always bad :D | 18:52 |
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| wazd_ | the only thing I have to say for this is "What the fuck?!" | 18:59 |
| qwerty12_N810 | MS Bluetooth stack sucks balls | 18:59 |
| wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: well, it works fine but UI is really awful | 19:00 |
| qwerty12_N810 | I hated it; even on a Pocket PC I preferred Broadcomm's offering. In XP, I'm free of the MS one but Broadcomm's one for Vista just extends the MS one :( | 19:01 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: hi... I want to automatically update wiki pages using a local script... any suggestions? eg: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Mer/Packages/Maemo:Mer:Devel:Apps | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | reMoo all | 20:30 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders idly what insanity has hit the pope | 20:54 | |
| Stskeeps | (re http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html?ref=global-home ) | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | Sts: Ran out of blood maybe? | 20:55 |
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| wazd_ | Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday called for a radical rethinking of the global economy | 20:55 |
| wazd_ | Pope = captain Obvious :) | 20:56 |
| wazd_ | Very slow version of him :D | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | being from a religious background (not so much anymore), i think it's rather absurd the pope, of all people, suggests a world political authority (revelations) .. and for money, too (revelations) | 20:56 |
| aquatix | :) | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | i mean.. wtf | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | Sts: http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=37941 =) | 20:59 |
| RST38h | (sorry, couldn't find a better source) | 21:00 |
| pupnik | i still sometimes am amazed by the n810. imagining a world without it | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe | 21:00 |
| wazd_ | RST38h: what the hell is that :D | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i just think that guy is really trying hard to be called the antichrist or something.. | 21:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: Apparently, the Pope carries a briefcase of fresh blood everywhere he goes | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Sts: Somehow, I suspect that after he played the Emperor in the StarWars he should no longer care about Antichrist analogies... | 21:01 |
| * Stskeeps shakes his head | 21:02 | |
| Stskeeps | right, so the world went to hell while i was on music festival, good to know | 21:03 |
| RST38h | What happened? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | I thought the next apocalypsis is due in August, as usual? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes, pandora release? ;) | 21:03 |
| RST38h | Really? No way? | 21:04 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: nowai it wiould be released in August | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | no idea, shouldn't surprise me it would align close with the apocalypse | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | http://whenisthepandoracoming.wut.bz/ is excellent. | 21:05 |
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| wazd_ | Stskeeps: Maya predicted Pandora release, it would be in 2012 :) | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | (refresh it) | 21:05 |
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| wazd_ | Stskeeps: ahahaha :) awesome :D | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | what is people's obsession with Angstrom anyway? | 21:05 |
| wazd_ | Stskeeps: a bit cruel though :) | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_: carrot in front of your eyes, on a stick.. | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:06 |
| pupnik | i have no obsession. i wish the maemo/gentoo-arm/android/angstrom folks would merge like borg and kill WinCE | 21:06 |
| [slonopotamus] | :/ | 21:06 |
| pupnik | hmm. maybe i do have obsession | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: every mobile distribution without sufficient central control will diverge towards using enlightement, and then dying slowly from the use of it | 21:07 |
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| pupnik | Stskeeps, wish i could torrent dl your knowledge of the scene | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: nah, it'd just make you want to kill people | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:08 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: Angstrom does rock :) | 21:08 |
| pupnik | touche | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | rkirti: from developer point of view, or user? :P | 21:09 |
| rkirti | Stskeeps: ah, /me not developing on it. For a user it does. | 21:09 |
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| ENTERANICK | :) | 21:33 |
| ENTERANICK | :P | 21:33 |
| ENTERANICK | nice | 21:33 |
| ENTERANICK | it works | 21:33 |
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| Stskeeps | if that's you b-man, you need to be beaten, really | 21:35 |
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| Guest1030_800 | any complete tutorial for run a ''virtual'' complete n810 fully fonctionnal and operationnal on my ubuntu pc? | 23:19 |
| Guest1030_800 | if this think its possible | 23:20 |
| woglinde | you mean the image with full scratchbox enviroment? | 23:20 |
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| Guest1030_800 | no i mean a full operationnal tablet but on my pc | 23:21 |
| Guest1030_800 | for use like a real one but on my pc | 23:21 |
| Guest1030_800 | i dont know if its really possible | 23:21 |
| Guest1030_800 | but i try to find a way for | 23:21 |
| woglinde | yeah thats what scratchbox can do | 23:22 |
| Guest1030_800 | ok | 23:22 |
| Guest1030_800 | so i installed all sb, sdk and xephyr | 23:22 |
| Guest1030_800 | but what i make after for run a complete ''virtual'' tablet in it | 23:23 |
| woglinde | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html | 23:23 |
| woglinde | why you need this? | 23:23 |
| woglinde | try to emulate it with qemu | 23:23 |
| woglinde | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ | 23:24 |
| Guest1030_800 | i just want a run a full tablet on my pc simply | 23:24 |
| woglinde | args you mean you want to run full maemo? | 23:26 |
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| Guest1030_800 | yes | 23:26 |
| Guest1030_800 | its possible?? | 23:26 |
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| woglinde | dont know | 23:28 |
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| Guest1030_800 | ok | 23:28 |
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| lbt | what roles are sponsored by the maemo community? Eg docmaster | 23:58 |
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